The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 713 - Darius Butler, Ian Rapoport, Tom Rinaldi, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the different happenings around NFL training camp, and are joined by Darius Butler to get his thoughts on what we can learn from all the practice footage, his thoughts on the hype surrounding the Dolphins, if he's worried about the Patriots and when they need to have things figured out by, and much much more (21:03-48:45). Next, joining the progrum LIVE from Carolina Panthers camp is NFL Insider for NFL Network, Ian Rapoport to chat about who is going to be the Panthers QB, if Sam Darnold is getting shopped, what's going to happen with Jimmy G, Kareem Hunt asking for a trade from the Browns, the severity of Jameis Winston's injury at Saints camp, and more (1:17:28-1:39:20). Later, 17x Emmy Winner, FOX Sports Reporter and former ESPN Superstar, Tom Rinaldi joins the show to chat about his new 8 part podcast, when he knew he wanted to tell stories for a living, the different insane stories he's been able to cover throughout his career, what else he can, how excited he is to be doing NFL games this fall as well as covering the World Cup, and much more (1:39:22-1:57:34). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Monday, August 8th, 2022. And this sports show that had no power 40 minutes ago and is all the way back starts now. Here we go, Atta Baby. Here we go, Atta Baby. That's good news that that has continued into this week because this week is another week in which we will see NFL football happen this Thursday. Yeah, the Hall of Fame game happened on Thursday and it was kind of a mock of what an NFL game is. Then there was Hall of Fame speeches all weekend. They were magnificent.

I don't know if anybody saw them. They were doing them during the day. A little bit of a different setup. Didn't really understand how it was going. Don't think it was marketed that well. But it was great to hear some of the stories and clips behind the greats of the NFL that have built the NFL into what it is. And now we have all eyes forward on training camp and preseason continuing to take place. This is the week where we will learn more about the teams

that we are about to talk about all season. This is the week that we will learn more about the players that are maybe in contract disputes and there's people that want to be traded. This is the week that we will chit-chat about all things happening around the NFL and we can't thank you enough for joining us. The boys are here at the Talks table at Ty Schmidt at Boston Conner. Boys, how you doing? How you feeling? How will Conner start with you.

How's it going? It's going well. You know, played golf yesterday. Didn't really expect to do that for at least another two, three years probably. But got out there, played a quick nine. Wasn't too, too humid. But it was nice out. A lot of Patriots stuff coming out this weekend, though.

Not a lot of good stuff coming out this weekend. Well, it's not Mac. Okay. There's a lot of good stuff. The original report was Mac Jones Mac Jones stinks. It's not Mac, okay? The original report was Mac Jones stinks. That was from Mike Giorio, I believe, up there. Paisano in New England, who's been covering the Patriots. Mac Jones stinks. Also, on top of Mac Jones stinking, offensive line stinks.

People are running the wrong routes, and their defense is absolutely dominant. Then Mike Giardi said, you know, maybe that's why you don't have a defense coordinator and defensive mastermind run your offense. But we shall see. We are very early in this entire thing. Exactly. Plenty of time. And, you know, he's not –

Mac isn't meeting with Bill every week before a training camp practice, okay, during the regular season. What? He's going to be meeting every week with Bill. So Bill already tapped out on being on the offensive side. No, I mean, we're going into training. Is it because he's old now? He doesn't want to – he doesn't have the energy?

Why do you think our defense is so goddamn good? Because Bill has to put in that work with them now because when the season comes around, he's just going to be in mac jones's year they're going to be meeting every week is what the defense is trying to do for the people that don't follow exactly with mike giardi on twitter can you elaborate a little bit the defense has been absolutely dominant in new england mac jones has looked very terrible yeah essentially uh the offense is going through a massive rehaul because mcs is gone, so they're doing kind of like a McVay run offense, no fullback, all zone blocking up front.

Never done this before in the last, I guess, for my entire life. This has never happened where they're switching around. So it might take a little bit for them to figure out. It's going to take a little bit of time. A lot of sirens going off, though, people watching practice. This team stinks. They're trying to do a McVay offense. Guess who they don't got?

McVay. They got Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, and Bill Belichick. And they're all trying to be McVay when McVay was just trying to be Belichick a little bit ago. Is everything lost up in New England? Are you ever going to find it? We got nothing but time. Yeah, exactly.

Nothing's lost, but we definitely have not found any sort of rhythm on offense. Another thing was the wide receivers aren't really getting open, which is not great because it's not like we have J.C. Jackson on the other side. Yeah, there has not been a lot of good news, but we have Mack, and we're trying to redo the whole – or not redo, but kind of take in the McVay thing. Mack isn't Matt Stafford yet, so there's still a lot of steps. A lot of steps after seeing what Stafford's going through,

especially with that thrower's arm, which we are thrower's elbow, which we learned last week. Tennis elbow, outside elbow. Golf elbow, inside elbow. Thrower's elbow, both. Not good. Both of them. You heard about tennis elbow taking people out?

You heard about golf elbow taking people out? Matt Stafford currently suffering from thrower's elbow. Allegedly, if original reports from Ian Rappaport, who will join us in about an hour and 15 minutes to continue to detail what he has learned through his training camp travels, thrower's elbow is both sides of the elbow. That's right. And he is still slinging it, though.

Yeah. A couple good highlights, but I did see when he was talking to the IM athlete folks, he was holding his arm in an interesting way. They probably got him resting that a little bit through training camp. We'll see. They'll monitor his reps and regulate everything he's got going on. I think Matthew Stafford's going to be fine.

He played with a broken fucking neck. There's no way he's going to miss this season with all the weapons coming back from the Super Bowl. He's living his best life he's ever lived. There's no way a little elbow issue that's both from the tennis community and the golf community happening at the same damn time. I don't know if that's going to slow him down, but there's been a lot of questionable things coming out of camps. Not just New England. No. Let's go know if that's going to slow him down, but there's been a lot of questionable things coming out of camps, not just New England. Let's go to Green Bay's camp. Hey, Aaron Rodgers missed

the net. Jordan Love hit it first time. Holy shit. QB controversy? Are they trading Aaron Rodgers? What the hell is going on up there? I don't think so. It was a little bit of a duck, too, there. A little bit. I think it was turned sideways. There was a little bit of a flutter as it missed it over top of it.

Now, still a catch probably. Whoever's there. It actually might have been more difficult to defend the ball that he threw. But in the net, Jordan Love first time. This has to be good news for you guys in your future, right? Jordan Love looks like a quarterback in that one clip that we've seen there, and Rodgers did not. Well, that's what you hope.

50 mil. Uh-oh. At this point, I think it is more. You know, we know what we're getting out of Rodgers. He looked great on family night. You know, all these bunch of guys drafted fourth, sixth round. Doesn't matter. He's making them look like stars already.

They're actually performing, which I think is the biggest takeaway. And it could be just the media kind of gassing them up. But, like, these guys who they drafted late have continued to, like, show promise and look good with Rodgers, build a rapport with him. But, yeah, you hope Jordan Love can figure it out because it's kind of like, hey, if he doesn't show him something this year, bye-bye. So, you know, I mean, I like to see him tossing it into the net. But, like I said, when the lights come on and Rodgers is out there,

he's still performing. He looks very comfortable, and he looks like he's having a great time. He was on Bustin' with the Boys. I don't think we've heard that episode yet. I don't think it's come out yet. Can't wait for that. He's on today's episode, pardon my take. Seen some clips.

Looked like he was in a great mood, even though, you know, there were some interesting things that were brought up. Shout out to Big Cat and PFT doing what they do for so long at the top of the game, at the top of every single mountain. I'm pumped to kind of see how this season goes for Aaron. Me too. I'm honestly very excited to see how this goes. This is going to be a new world.

Oh, yeah. New money, new conversations he's opening up with Marcus Aubrey and the boys. He's kind of opening some things up. We're learning a lot more about him than we've ever learned in the past. He loses number one wide receiver, but he's another year in the offense. So it could really – I mean, everybody that knows him is assuming he's just going to go out and win another MVP because of how comfortable he'll be in the offense so it could really i mean everybody that knows him is assuming he's just going to go out and win another mvp yeah because how comfortable he'll be in the offense now third year in the offense i mean that you might as well just give him a master's degree at this particular

point and everything seems to be super positive but 17 games a lot of a lot of teams have gotten better a lot of teams have gotten very good and in the nfc i think a big conversation should be in my instagram account has kind of become a San Francisco 49ers highlight. Because Trey Lance is making plays out there. Brandon Ayuk

making plays out there. The NFC is going to be a problem. I mean, the NFC is loaded, but the top of the NFC has some fucking wagons. And this is what the Packers ran into the last couple years.

What will they be able to do this year? We shall see. At Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer, done. Cowboys, now I know you're a diehard We shall see. At Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys. Now, I know you're a diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan,

but a lot of news coming out of the AFC North as a whole. Lamar Jackson balling. Absolutely balling. Cleveland Browns got a lot of shit going on. What else is new? Cleveland Browns got a lot of shit going on. Kareem Hunt once traded. He's obviously a part of the two-horse stable that we've mentioned numerous times

about Jacoby Brissett having nothing to worry about in lieu of Deshaun Watson until he comes back, whenever he comes back, if he comes back. Jacoby Brissett started for the Colts and the Dolphins. And we just said, with that roster, all Jacoby's going to have to do is just hand the fucking ball off to Hunt and hand the ball off to Chubb. Both these guys we saw on the sideline last game of the season last year when Baker Mayfield couldn't throw a football

because his shoulder was so bad and they decided to throw for 60. Then Chubb would get in bust off one for like 17 yards and he was back on the bench. And Hunt was saying the exact thing. So Hunt wants out. He's not happy. The Browns have told him we will fine you $50,000 a day if you don't want to come here and we're not

trading you. I like the fact that the Browns have on multiple occasions now in the last few months have come out and said, we don't care. You want to be traded? We do not care. Now, ultimately, in the end, Baker did get traded even after they said that we are not trading you and we don't care. Will the same thing happen for Hunt? And does that offend you or not

offend you? Does that scare you as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan knowing that, hey, the odds for the Steelers doing better might go up and up and up as the drama continues to build around the afc north so if they don't hey that could be a bummer you guys stink this year that could be a bummer you guys if mike tomlin's under the helm i think we're still all right um it did confuse me not confusing me it piqued my interest earlier this year, if you remember, when they had some injuries last year, Dearness Johnson bust on the scene for Browns. And he had a few good games as well. What was that, Thursday Night Football?

Yeah. And we learned about him. He actually sent videos to teams trying to get signed. Nobody would sign him for long. I think he was in the XFL or the USFL, that guy. And then he pops on Thursday Night Football and boom! This guy had like a hundo or something. So this offseason, they brought him back.

I think they extended him or whatever i thought they may use him as some trade bait because i assume teams would be interested in him then they drafted jerome ford out of cincinnati he was a really good running back so maybe they saw this kareem hunt thing uh coming but now we do have to talk about kareem hunt he signed a deal with the browns shortly after the incident took place on the security camera that we saw and they were really the only team that would sign him yeah so they signed him to a deal it seemed like it was all kumbaya everybody's together but now Kareem Hunt's like hey for multiple years now it's been kumbaya and I played for next to no money because you guys were the

only ones that would really give me a job I've turned out to be a pretty good success story for you guys I've done well on the field and off the field. We've kind of figured that out. You're going to have to pay me what you owe me. And the Browns are saying, we'll fine you, actually. That's crazy. The Browns have more drama. It is impossible to win in the NFL. It is very difficult to win in the NFL.

Whenever you add all this drama and distraction, it's only going to make it worse. So if Stefanski and the boys over there can get a win, I think we will all be mightily impressed. But I think the Browns' odds continue to just look worse and worse for me personally because there's just too much drama, too much shit. All these other teams are trying to win the NFC, which is loaded. The NFC, look in their own division.

The NFC is fucking loaded. You think they're worried about their running back, one of their running backs that's going to be a heavy part of at least the first half of the season wanting out of there? Do you think they're worried about the quarterback that they just paid $230 million to, maybe inevitably being suspended? No, there's just so much shit that is being added into it. Very talented roster.

I have a lot of respect for a lot of the players on that team and how good they are at football. It just seems to be too much shit. And I don't want to rule them out, but I'm ruling the Browns out of the contention of anything right now. Too much bullshit. Can't have this much bullshit. This seems to be a pretty negative way to start

showing me rolling somebody out, but this is me putting over everybody else. The teams that you're not hearing a lot of drama out of, training camp sucks. Training camp sucks for everybody. It is a necessary evil. It is a necessary evil. You need it, but it stinks. Everybody hates it. You're back to work.

You kind of got to break in. Kiko Alonso, by the way, went back to work and said, nah, I ain't doing this. I'm retiring. I am out of here. So congrats to him on a hell of a career. But all this drama, it's just, it's all not football. So I just, I feel like winning games in the NFL, you have to have a team that's focused on football. And I don't know if the Browns

are. They might surprise me. And I'm sorry, Dog Pound, you're probably thinking the same fucking exact thing. The Dog Pound's probably like, what the fuck? Two years ago, we won a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh. We get rid of that quarterback because everybody hates him. Now we got a quarterback that might be suspended indefinitely.

Our fucking running back one's out of here. Why is nothing being talked about on field? Have you seen one Jacoby clip? No. Me neither. That might be because we're not looking hard enough. All the conversation out of cleveland which is a roster that is fucking very very good is nothing but negativity i hate it for him but good luck to everybody else in the afc because i feel like the browns are dead i agree and you think they're for this year this year this year you think they're posturing with cream hunt because no team's gonna pay

three running backs right like they have to say we're not trading you so that there's still some value left when they actually do trade him here in a few weeks. So what happened with, Ian Rapport had a report this weekend about Josh Jacobs because we talked about this with the Hall of Fame game. Josh Jacobs was in the first quarter of the Hall of Fame game with nobody else on the field that's a starter, basically. A lot of bird.

So a lot of plays. He got the ball a lot. He did well. He's Josh Jacobs. He's a great player. For whatever reason, it feels like McDaniels might not be in on Josh Jacobs. That also might be because Josh McDaniels obviously comes from the New England legacy lineage,

and they have a stable of running backs. And then once somebody's contract gets up, it's like, hey, thanks for your service. You can go get paid somewhere else. We will have another stable of running backs here. You've got to be able to catch out of the backfield. You've got to have a little bit of quickness and toughness and other than that you might get 150 yards one week and the next week you might get no touches exactly like that is how new england and josh mcdaniel's offense in specific has operated with running backs so maybe that's the case maybe they're

looking to move on rapid port chatted about it this weekend on a press conference i don't remember if he said they are looking to trade him or they're not trying to trade him but josh jacobs and career uh kareem hunt both looking for uh trades and maybe a new deal i don't know how big the market is unless you're fucking jonathan taylor derrick henry or something like that i have no idea how big the market is in the modern nfl i guess we're gonna find out i went back i was scrolling uh raps twitter and he said from inside training camp when the raiders trade their best running back nah and the raider and then the bottom third is raiders not looking to trade running back josh jacobs so so I think that was

his report but him saying he's the best would make sense I guess that's why they started him what if that's what Josh McDaniel said he's our best running back

that's why he started that's why we gave him the ball so much fucking best running back we got it's like well every other team that had the best running back

ain't gonna play the motherfucker in the fucking preseason let alone the Hall of Fame game it was his hometown he needed that W in his hometown. Put Carr out there.

Put Devontae Adams out there. Put all the boys out there. If you're just going to throw Josh Jacobs out there, well, it's good to get a running back into games early. Get in the flow. It's like, oh, more unnecessary hits. Was Josh Jacobs out of shape when he showed up? No way. He's going into a contract. No chance.

All eyes are on that situation. We shall see. And if he's just being used as a staple, Josh is going to be pissed. Yeah, exactly. Because he's a guy. Josh Jacobs is a fucking guy. Not saying he's not. But Hunt also asking for a trade. Them saying, we'll fine you $50,000.

I mean, that's a lot of drama, man, over there in Cleveland. I mean, that's a lot of not football shit happening in Cleveland right now. Well, think about who's winning Super Bowls. Like, have any of the past five Super Bowl winners had one running back that's taken them there? It feels like every team has two or three. Who cussed for the Rams? He came in the playoffs. Cam Akers.

He won them a game, I think. He ran over Buda Baker and knocked him out. Buda Baker did not deserve that. No, he didn't. I'm just saying what you just did. What you just did right there. Cam Akers first came back. No, he didn't. But that's what happened. I'm saying what you just did. It was his first. Not a run over, but what you just did right there. That was Cam Akers' first game back.

Because he's already got the DK Metcalf gift going. Right. You're a bad guy. Hey, Buda Baker got paid. He's probably doing very well right now. And we love Buda Baker. Yeah, and that's just another. Buda's a great name, by the way.

Awesome name. And with the last name Baker. Great name. BB. Great name. Great ball player. Buda. Great name.

What's up, little Buda? That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, it is. BB, too. Great name. Great ball player. Buddha. Great name. What's up, little Buddha? That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, it is. Uh-huh. You're watching me think about it. Yeah. You're watching me think about it live. And by the way, for those that are wondering, 40 minutes ago, we had no power in this entire

building. No, that's right. So everybody who is engineers and electricians is obviously on Twitter telling us about, you need some solar power backups. Well, first of all, it's Indiana. So solar power shit will work in the middle of summer, but a good nine, eight, ten months of the year, that ain't going to do nothing. Sorry.

Okay? And build a generator. We've got a generator, but I'm not going to – we're building a fucking multimillion-dollar Thunderdome right now we're about to move into. There's no reason for me to invest in a massive generator that this building would need because it goes out every fucking two days. What is the deal?

Indianapolis, I don't know if this is just our city's problem or if this is a common thing, but Indianapolis is a joke when it comes to the power grid. Oh, yeah. This thing just pops out. We walked down the street. There was smoke coming out of a great, like, two blocks down. Underground fire. Our power's out.

And then the fire department, which we got massive respect for. Massive respect. They saved this building right over here. They did. We walked down the street. There was smoke coming out of a grate like two blocks down. Our power's out. And then the fire department, which we got massive respect for. Massive respect. They saved this building right over here. They did. We appreciate the hell out of them. We wanted to get you guys steaks. We were told pizzas are easy. Pizzas are easy.

So I'll let you know. We do it. They blew right by where the smoke was coming. So we're like, all right. So that means the fire must be elsewhere. There's an underground fire that cut off all the power to this fucking part of the thing we had no idea we go check the uh power people here in indiana on their website they say should be good by about 4 p.m oh 4 p.m so we start we got fucking wires all over this place because we're plugging into the generator

that we got there and we're plugging in led i was gonna have to do the show in sunglasses yeah i brought sunglasses out because we had an led light right here that was just going to be shooting me right in the face we're gonna have three microphones that were gonna work two cameras that are gonna work and then 10 minutes before we go live all the power comes back on it's like well you so you this place just shuts down out of nowhere then you give us an estimation of when it'll come back 4 p.m then it comes back early thank you for that appreciate it but then there's no promise it's going to stay on. No. What the fuck? Is this normal?

Is this how cities operate? I thought this was not a third world country. What the fuck are we doing here? It almost seems like some guy who works in our grid every once in a while is just like, you know what, fuck it, let's just go down right now and see how these guys handle it. Let's see what they do. And then they'll scramble for 45 minutes and then 10 minutes before the show. All right. I sent a text to the person, the company that owns this building.

And I'll tell you what, our relationship has not always been fantastic. There's a lot of things that we had to work through. And they knew that we were needing this office in a quick expedited time. And they definitely kind of had, you know, some liberties in the contract that we signed. Now, looking back on it as a much more mature business person and everything like that. And some of the decisions they had made going forward, there was a lot of, hey, I fucking see what you're doing and I don't like it. Now, we have grown, though. I feel like our relationship has grown with them. We both have.

We're on the way out anyway. So it's a, hey, fuck off type situation if we wanted to, but it's gotten better. I think it has gotten better. Our guy just walked out here and goes, this is the most this has happened in the last year and maybe 10, 15 years. It's like, well, I don't know about the last 10, 15,

but I do know that this has happened fucking a lot. And he's like, hey, I apologize. It was a good conversation. These people have to live with this forever. Thank God we're getting the fuck out of here in 15 days. This is terrible. We got zombies running around downtown with no aim or direction, yelling at things that aren't there. And obviously, we hope their lives turn around.

There's nothing I don't think I could do for every single one of them. We're talking like 50 people a day just roaming around talking to themselves. Power goes down out of nowhere. There's no explanation of why. And then we're just kind of doing our thing. What the fuck happened in Indianapolis? I don't know. That's a great question.

A lot of bums, a lot of pooping. And, you know, it is nice to have the relationship with those people. But it's really hard not to be like, hey, fuck you, when you open up the back door and the light's on. Right on the other side of that wall right there. Yeah, it's just part of the plan. It's interesting, our part of the building. Yeah.

Damn hog set. Well. Sure. I have a dead man's switch right now under my feet. If I put my foot on the ground, the whole show goes kaput. What? Okay, so let's get Nick the fuck out of there. Why do we have a switch?

You're going to have to go sit in Gumpy's. We just noticed this right before we went live. It's a precarious position. Just noticed this, so this is our fault. So we've had a dead man switch? No, no. Is this happening? We've been shooting ourselves in the foot

because of the rewire. Nick's right foot, or do you think maybe some bomb threw a sig into a grate down there and the whole city's power grid got shut down? By the way, Nick also has that restless leg thing. That's what I'm talking about. This is a joke. We've been blaming the wrong people.

We're blaming the zombies and the bums out there. And we should be. And Hawks. This bum right here. Enemy within our camp. Listen, Nick, we love you. You lost to Bruce in golf. So that's going to be.

Whoa. That's you. Viva Zito. Let the guy re-tee four times on one hole. I don't know how we're calling that. That's on you. That's on you. That's on you. That's not on anybody

else. Bruce just learned how to play golf last year and he is the guy with the worst swing in the history of golf. He beat Nick at Nick's Country Club. Bruce will come to your time. Bruce will come to your Country Club and he will fucking kick your ass. That's what Bruce Brown does on the golf course and I can't have

more respect for that whole thing. Way to go Nick. Very honorable. Yeah, very nice of him to host Bruce as well. Yeah, very nice of you. Put him in his own course. Absolutely. You know, let him pick up all the tees that you can and the little club balls. Pick up the balls. Yeah, do the whole thing. And now he's just... Beat him. I'm creating more

make-wishes than Cena. I don't know what you want. Jesus. Impossible. I wanted to... I was doing some research while everyone was talking about powerhouses and stuff like that. Put a bow on Kareem Hunt. If the Bills trade for him, he's their number one immediately. And Rojo's out of Bucs, so it's just Lenny.

So it could be Bucs or Bills. The whole conversation is will Lenny be able to go the entire season or not. Running back is obviously a difficult position. He's going to take a lot of shots. Joining us now is a man who probably has more answers to all of our questions. He was a nine-year NFL vet. He played corner, nickel, and safety. He's the host of the Man to Man podcast alongside Antoine Bethea.

Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show, Darius Butler. Hey, Darius! What's up, dude? Oh, no. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's afternoon. That was death button. Nick. It was death button.

Nick. Hey, Nick, it's Monday. Okay, let's get out of Bruce Brown. It has nothing to do with Bruce. I'm terrified of this switch beneath my foot. I mean, geez. Destroy that. Let's move the switch. Let's move the switch.

When did it get there? Today. Has it always been? Jesus. It's from the outage. Sorry, you were muted because Nick's all fucked up because Bruce Brown teabagged him on his own country club this weekend. Okay, I apologize.

Y'all good? We good? D-Bot, we got some bum zombies flicking their cigarettes and shutting down the power grid. D-Bot, we had no power here. We had no power 35 minutes ago. It was quite a nightmare. But here we are.

We're talking to you. It's got to be like, what, the third time? Third time in like three months yeah yeah a lot of blinders you guys we're live we're good watch that leg nick we should be good a lot of bums a lot of poop that's crazy and you don't deserve that connor bro that's well that's true we we agree that's why what indy has become it's like what the fuck they're eating garbage No I agree it was beautiful When we moved into this building Down here was awesome Now it's just like I can't wait to get the fuck out of here

I don't know which individual It's fault it is So we don't have to point blame on anybody But I'd just like to say hey Indy get your shit together Here we go Let's get some fucking power Let's talk a little football Hey, Andy, get your shit together. Yeah, here we go. Hey, here we go. I had a baby. We're still turning, bro. We're still turning, bro. Let's get some fucking power. All right, let's talk a little football.

Buffalo Bills need a running back one, I guess. Rojo is gone from the Bucs, so only Lenny Furnette's there. I assume they have other running backs that we don't know about that are going to come on the scene and do very well. That's kind of what the running back position is. Kareem Hunt has officially asked for a trade. Josh Jenkins started the Hall of Fame game and got a lot of burns, so everybody's wondering about that situation.

What are your thoughts on the state of the running back and if you think Kareem Hunt will be on the move? Because Stefanski and Andrew Barry have said, we're not fucking trading you, and we'll fine you 50 grand a day. God damn it. It's awesome. It's awesome to see. That's a hell of an incentive to show up,

but I think he's getting um like six over six this year at the running back position which is decent uh but he looked around i gave two two third of the shine uh you paid the tight end joku um you paid denzel ward obviously this offseason so uh kareem hunt obviously if you're going forward with jacoby you expect that team to lean on that on that backfield a lot at least early in the season. So he's looking around for a little more financial security. Obviously a tough position, very short shelf life at that running back position. And Kareem Hunt is an absolute dog. So he knows his value.

But I think, just like you said, he'll be there. He'll be in Cleveland. Andrew Berry, Stefanski said it's not happening. Didn't they decline Baker's trade request too? Oh, yeah. Yeah, once he makes it. This is how they do business. So he'll be there.

But obviously, if he can end up on any one of those teams you mentioned, the Bills, I know they drafted Cook. But Tampa, because he's a guy who can catch that ball out of the backfield as well, so that would be a super, super dangerous weapon for them. But please, let's not give Brady any more weapons. Yeah, well's somehow all roads lead back to tampa for any great player that is currently available in the trade block or free agency it feels like them or the rams will end up benefiting from this and we'll all say how how did

that happen uh nick chubb's contract is up at 2025 i believe so he's he's locked in for a little bit chubb is the workhorse over oh yeah and, yeah. And for whatever reason, Chubb has not always gotten the ball. I wonder if Chubb sees Kareem Hunt say he wants out of there, and Chubb's like, thank God. Now, it seems like they get along. They seem there's always mic'd up things where they get along. And one is a good spell for the other, and they get going. I just wonder how Chubb feels about it all.

He probably doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't say a single word about anything, but you're right. Jacoby being a quarterback for at least six games, who knows how much longer, we all have just assumed that they're going to run the ball. They're just going to run it, pound it, maybe throw it every once in a while. Marty Cooper is there now. But, hey, it's tough to win with all this drama.

D-Bud, isn't it? There's a lot of drama out of one place, and it's very difficult to win, especially in that AFC. Yeah, it is tough. And you know, in that building, we isn't it? There's a lot of drama out of one place, and it's very difficult to win, especially in that AFC. Yeah, it is tough. You know, in that building, we talk about it all the time, distractions. No distractions. We don't want distractions, you know, inside the building. Obviously, the things that are going on outside, everybody tries to block that out.

Training camp, that's the perfect place to do that and try to set that tone for the season. It's only football people, you know, in the building. But it's tough. When you have internal drama, people to trade uh the looming possible longer uh season long possible uh suspension for your starting quarterback so you got a lot of question marks going around um in that building but it's going to be a lot on Stefanski and a lot on Jacoby Brissett's plate too because you're stepping up in that quarterback position you got to be a leader you got to

still have control of that huddle still have control of that locker room and they put a good team together talent wise so they have all the talent on both sides of the ball to go out there and compete go out there and win ball games going to be a tough physical division as it always is um so but you don't want to bring any other distractions inside that building so I think I think I saw that he was participating in team drills now after he wasn't, had a little hold there for a few days. But hopefully they get that figured out sooner or later because they are going to need both of those guys.

Chubb, you know, he's finished second a couple times in the Russia title, but he's one of those guys nobody wants to see in the open field. And Kareem Hunt is a problem as well. Chubb runs those knees up so high. You know what I mean? He gets so angry. It's like Cromartie ran like that and Dez ran like that. Antonio Brown ran.

I'm talking about just returners. Frank Gore, he had those knees dammed into his chest. That's what I'm talking about. These are just people that I've – now, listen, you have to tackle somebody on a much more regular basis. But there is a real thought as these humans are running with their knees up to your face like how am I supposed to how am I getting in there without eating a knee here you know and Cromartie got me right in the jaw I mean we're talking knee right to the jaw no mouthpiece

obviously because who cares about that don't bang that hurt all right we're out of here Des Bryant was sprinting that was that was hold on that think speaking on a mouthpiece, obviously, because who cares about that? I'm firing that herd. All right, we're out of here. Des Bryant was sprinting. That was, hold on. Speaking of on the mouthpiece, I couldn't believe what I heard. We've been lied to. We've been lied to. I've been lied to my entire football career, thinking that mouthpiece really gave an ounce of a difference when it came to

concussion. That was groundbreaking for me. I'm happy for AJ, though. That was a big moment for him. Yeah, we've been lied to. Literally, big mouthpieces. Bamboozled. They've come in.

Good week. Absolutely. They've come in and just said, like, you guys are all going to get fitted for your mouthpiece. We've got a couple different options, obviously. Concussion protocols, the way they're going. And with Danny, like, we figured out the best one for your health and safety. That's how it was. And it was just matter of fact it was just matter of fact it

wasn't it d-butt i mean yeah matter of fact i was like well i'm not gonna wear one ever and well you obviously you don't need one but everybody else does like you guys are almost forced into it i feel like don't you think that was the case d-butt yeah we you had to have it obviously you know you want to protect your teeth, but, you know, literally, I came in, I thought with studies, with scientific facts that, you know, when you hit and you clench your jaw and all this different shit, lies. Dr. Allen.

Whole damn time. How about Dr. Allen Sills, though? I got mad respect for him going, I don't think it does a fucking thing for concussions, basically. Because I thought he would perpetuate that lie that we've been told, basically, our entire thing. And he did not at all And AJ what?

What about that was a big-time Big time lie, I forget where I was headed. Uh, but I'm happy with chatter with that. Yeah, sorry about it. Yeah Yeah, the high knees the run chub is a dog like he's a guy Kareem. Hun is well. We should be viewing him in the same vein. Oh, Kareem, yeah. Kareem Hunt is running back one damn near anywhere in the league. And his effectiveness out of the backfield as a pass catcher, too. He's just as dangerous. I remember his rookie year, you know, in Kansas City. I saw it.

First game, I think we all saw that he was going to be a star in this league. So, maybe he wants to go somewhere and be that feature back. Because there are pros and cons that feature back because there is, there are pros and cons, you know, splitting touches, splitting backfields. And we all think Nick Chubb should get more carries, more touches. I don't care who's that quarterback, what type of offense you're in, being that dominant of a runner. But, you know, when you can spell and not beat your body up on this long

18-week season and have another guy take reps for you, that's good as well so um hopefully he stays there and make some money going down the line because like i said it is a short shelf life you got to strike when you can in any position but especially that uh running back position hunting chops maybe uh get together you know yeah say hey we're looking at the running back position we're looking at how it's paid we will walk right into andrew barry's office right now and say neither of us are playing this year unless you pay us whatever. And they fucking need us. You see it, Jacoby? I mean, Jacoby's a guy.

They're going to be running this ball a lot. I mean, that would be the only way it works. But that would be also holding up your team in a fucking fashion that you don't want in the middle of training camp, which, you know, that drama, that training camp, I don't like at all. In my head, I'm just ruling out the Browns. See you later. Too much drama.

Not going to be able to do it. Let's talk about a place that seems to have no drama and actually did a little bit more so they could get rid of drama. Jimmy G still going through rehab with the shoulder. He's been 100% cleared. He comes in, works out in the morning, and then they tell him to go home. Don't even get around the team

because this is Trey Lance's team. We want everybody in this locker room to know Trey Lance is the guy. We want everybody that's a fan of San Francisco to know Trey Lance is the guy. We want everybody that's a fan of the San Francisco to know Trey Lance is the guy. We don't want Trey Lance to have a bad day, Jimmy G to be sitting there, and everybody to go, hey, that guy who has a donut that doesn't cook, he should be the guy. So they've kind of eliminated that potential distraction before they even got to training camp.

But all signs out of training camp is that Trey Lance is going to be a fucking beast. And Brandon Ayuk is a fuck. He might fantasy football, I assume. Everybody's kind of losing their minds with him with the highlights. What do you think about Shanahan getting an opportunity to work alongside Trey Lance? And what do you think about the highlights that you've seen coming out of camp? And do they mean anything? Do they mean anything to you, bud?

You know, it shows talent. Obviously, it doesn't mean much. You know, we've all seen a bunch of highlights in practice over the years training camp uh who knows what type of context what drill what were they trying to accomplish what was the defense offense uh but you love to see players making plays but are you you know even watching him last year like he he like i really really like him as a receiver out there and uh out there san fran trey lance there's a lot of question marks around him just because we haven't seen

him even in college. His last season was cut short, pretty much killed with the COVID year. And then Stan Fran still traded all those assets to jump up to three to draft them, played a little bit last year, look good. So it's a lot of question marks with them. And I think he may, I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles early just because it is a big jump. There's a lot of moving parts, but you got a lot of talent around him George Kittle uh one of the best tight ends

in the game run run rise matchup wise in the past game Brandon IU like I said really like him really has a good feel for the game unbelievable athlete give me that Debo Samuel who you don't know where he's gonna be on the field so that's tough um as defense. I think he's a guy who can be a really good receiver if you just play him at wide receiver. But being that he's dynamic and you can put him in the backfield, you can run screens with him. You could do a ton of different things with him. A lot of different weapons on that offense for Trey Lance to use and

obviously his athletic ability is top tier. So I'm looking forward to him putting it all together. Kyle Shanahan obviously has been crowned as one of, you know, a great play caller, great coach. But he's got to get over the hump and win that big one. That's the reason they went up and got Trey Lance. And getting rid of a guy, Jimmy G, who's 31 and 14 or something like that as a starter, like, you move on from that guy, you got to hit on the next guy.

So there's a lot of pressure in that uh in that in that locker room how about them you know two first rounders and another player trade away to get trey lance and john lynch has come out and said he's everything we thought he would be and a little bit more and if you heard the way george kiddo was talking about him on this show and many other shows it's like might struggle at the beginning you know might be just like you said might struggle at the beginning but we feel like whenever games start mattering Trey Lance would be able to figure it out feels like there's a lot of faith in the 49ers faithful in Trey Lance and I appreciate that two questions for me before

The boys have their questions. Yeah, do I wasa D by it seems like a very white thing. I wasa No Not not not not not a white thing at all actually really really i wouldn't say it's a black thing either though south america you know but i've heard i think the first time i heard about it might have been from mike tyson him him speaking on it and then um a lot of people kind of in the tech community that i know deal with you you know, the DMT and the microdose and the shrooms and all these different type of things. And, you know, it's a lot more taboo than other drugs or other things that people use. Medicine, I think I would consider medicine has been used for thousands of years.

You've seen the research, you've seen what it does. And obviously different people have different experiences with it. But, you know a rod doing that it's off season not shot you know that's right and it's obviously working and uh you know i know i know a lot of people i would say who um microdose and do things like that but going on that trip it's a spiritual journey your mind got to be in the right place it's a whole thing with the right people you got to be with the right people what's that you got to be in the right place. It's a whole thing that goes with it. You got to be with the right people.

What's that? You got to be with the right people, I think. Yeah, it's a lot that goes into it. But I definitely don't frown upon it at all. And obviously, it works for him. Different things with different people. And shit, I hope he did it again going into this year. And then maybe you have to do it again a little later this year. I assume he did. Not Herb's sure, but I assume he did it again going into this year, and then maybe you have to do it again a little later this season.

I assume he did. Not Herb's sure, but I assume he did. How come you think every single player or every single athlete or every single person that's ever really accomplished anything in the athletic world, as soon as they heard about this, they're like, yeah, I can see how somebody would want to do that. And then you hear a lot of pundits be like, this goofy, whacked out, dope job. Why do you think that why do

you think there's such a separation in your answer my answer and then people that get microphones on television and whenever they hear about aaron rogers doing this type of thing is it because he's not doing exactly what they think the mvp of the nfl should be doing or do you think there's something deeper to it i mean on a simple way i think a think a lot of people in general are just, I don't know another word for brainwash, you know, because it's just anything that you hear that deviates from the standard or was accepted from everyone. And then, you know, 10 years from now, it may be accepted everywhere.

And he may look back as a genius who jumped on this early. But I think it's just different. It's not acceptable in the mainstream right now, and that's cool. But people, you know, Aaron Rodgers, he's an easy target. This is with everything, obviously, with the vaccine, everything that took place last year. A lot of people still hate him from now on. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We remember the immunized conversation. Yeah. And we know in the locker room, like, you know, you got different, dude, especially when you're dealing with high achievers in any industry. When you look at the people who have achieved the highest, usually they're wired a little fucking differently.

You know, you look at even Musk or Steve Jobs. Like, Steve Jobs was doing LSD and shit way back in time. This isn't anything new, and I think it does something different from the brain. Now, I don't have that much experience with it myself, but I've heard a lot of conversations where it's like, I don't know. When I'm brave enough, I may try it.

I appreciate your answer there and I've never done the ayahuasca or psychedelics. I've never done that level of it that's a that's a different level it's a real commitment right but also i think the person who goes and does that is committed to learning something or changing something about themselves like i think the people that decide to go do that are seeking right something that they haven't been

able to find anywhere else and normally it's an inner look like hey i'd like to change something about me or how i'm feeling or how i'm acting so they end up doing that as opposed to taking some pill or some pharma created thing they're like i'm gonna go do this thing it's been around and i feel like i'll do it when i hit a point where i'm like all right i need uh i need you know what i mean like i think it's there's stages for it when you need uh a change or when you need to find something i think that's when you do it but i think yeah if you're like bebop therapy a lot of things sometimes people you know you run out of religion sometimes for some people yes yeah it's different things that that people you know tap into and i think you know everybody as long as you're not hurting anybody else and uh

like you said like you mentioned like you alluded to you got to be a brave to an extent to go and untap something like that. Because, shit, I always think I might not come back. You know what I mean? I might not come back right. So I'm afraid from that standpoint. But, you know, to each his own, man. I've seen some people, by the way, not friends, but associates, not athletes,

but people, you know, that have dabbled in different people's groups or whatever, hang out with somebody, have a good conversation with them, but they're going to do that. Then hang out with that group again, like seven, eight months later. Hey, where's,

yeah, he doesn't really hang out anymore or whatever. I'm like, well, scary shit. What happened? Well, you remember he took that.

Yeah. He found, and he's just, he's, Hey, he's happy. He's in his own world. It changes people.

I think it actually does. And for Aaron, let him do two straight MVPs. I don't fucking know why anybody could bury that or whatever. Go do what you got to do. Go ahead, Ty. D-Buts, we've seen a lot of videos from Dolphins camp with Tua just, you know, perfectly placed balls down the sideline to Tyreek. What is the temperature like around the Dolphins and Tua down there?

Do you think now that kind of everything's in place, like people are really behind him and they think he's going to be the guy going forward feel the beat yeah that's what it sounds like down here obviously you know you see on social media and you know you don't take i take everything training camp to grain of salt uh but you know tyreek hill has been singing his praises obviously since the beginning i heard cedric wilson speaking highly of him mike mcdaniel as soon as he got the job he was like, you know, I can't wait to work with this guy. This is my plan.

I got it for him. And Tua, you watch and listen to him speak. It's just different. It's different. We've been looking for that down here literally since Dan Marino. And Dan Marino, he had that edge to him as well. So I'm looking forward to him, man. The opportunity is there.

Once again, another situation that I don't think I don't expect to be really smooth out of the gate. Just a lot of moving parts, you know, not much continuity there. You got Hill coming in first year. Wilson, both the running backs, brand new head coach calling plays in NFL for the first time. You got a better offensive line. So I think Tua will take some big steps this year. What are their odds, Tone, to win that division? We can put it up right now.

450. 450? Plus 450 to win the division? You got to remember, fucking Bills, dude. Wag it. Yeah. Wag it. I like the Bills, man.

But, you know, everybody's on that bill. I get nervous when everybody's on one team, you know. And Josh Allen, the jump that he made, I can't remember a quarterback ever making that type of jump in the NFL. Each year, D-Butt. I know, but once obviously Diggs came over, but last year he was easily top five quarterback in the league, you know, MVP guy.

He's coming into that year with these same expectations. You lose Brian Dayball, obviously, who I think played a big role in that jump. He goes to New York. Ken Dorsey, he jumps into that role. Obviously, once again, some moving parts there, but plus 450, that's not a bad... Hey, me too, by the way. I'm not saying

anything about the Dolph fam. No way. And that Dolphins defense. Dogs. I saw Joe Dirt make a play the other day. What's his name? Wingard? Yeah. Joe Dirt.

He's got it picked off Phillip Rivers. Yeah. Something like that. Okay. He's playing down. What about the loss of Flores, D, bud? B-flow. Loss of Flores will be big.

Will be big with Josh Boyer. Josh Boyer, he's still the D.C. there. But Flores, you know, he was the mastermind behind that Patriots Patriots defense that won a Superbowl against John McVay's Rams. So you are losing some, obviously flow, but you still got Josh Boyer there who has been around Brian Flores forever. In 2009, that was Josh Boyer's first year as a DB coach,

my rookie year in new England. Brian Flores was the assistant DB coach in that room with Josh Boyer. So they've been, so he's been around him for over a decade at this point. And then you got Xavier Howard. You got Byron Jones. You got Javon Holland, who I really really love at safety. You got these dogs up front. They do a lot of things

to confuse defensive coordinators and offenses and quarterbacks. So I'm very, very excited about that Dolphins team and Tua to answer your question. Okay, see, Connor got upset that you said Flores was the mastermind behind defense. Bill Belichick is what he was saying.

He's wearing Bill Belichick on his chest right now and he's in front of him. So, I mean, there's a little bit of a God thing going on with Connor and that. To kind of put a bow on the Dolphins, how hot is it down there? It's hot as fuck here in India. How hot's it down there? A hundred and something degrees? It's hot as fuck here in India. How hot's it there?

Bro, it is hot as shit. McDaniels wear long sleeves. And obviously, you know, it's South Florida, so expect it. It's the humidity. Like, the humidity is hot. But, you know, that gets you ready for the season. So, you move around and then in week 13, 14, when Buffalo got to bring their Hoyt, whenever they play, they got to bring their ass down in this heat.

That's why the Patriots struggle a lot when they come down to Miami late in the season, man. That heat, that humidity, you feel it as soon as you land before you even get off that breezeway. But we're excited down here, man. We are very, very excited. Tyreek Hill, I think obviously he's going to be a huge difference

breaker for this team. We've never, never had a weapon like him on this offense. Tyreek seems to be getting the ball well. Same with Waddle down there doing his thing. I was asking why it's so hot because I saw McDaniel run it. He had a hoodie on it. Like, this fucking guy is the coolest dude of all time. He's got to be dying down there.

I like the promos to the fans. Feels like they're really trying to build up this whole community a little bit and get them going. Going to have to win games. AFC is going to be difficult. I can't wait to watch. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Dee, but you mentioned the Dolphins kind of starting slow during the season

because of a new offense. It sounds like the Patriots haven't started at all because everything out of Kansas is out there. They absolutely stink. That's what's being said. How long do you think it takes for some of these teams to kind of implement a new system, like whether it be defense or offense, when you're going to a new team or a new OC or DC comes in,

how many weeks into the season? Or a DC as an OC. Or a DC as an OC. Or a special teams coach as a quarterback's coach. How long does that stuff actually take for them to get into rhythm? Not just for the Patriots. No, no. Bills, Dolphins, Pats, Jags.

Any team. Man, you know, typically you break up the season, those four quarters. You know, first four games, second four, et cetera. Obviously, you got the 17th game. But usually after that first kind of quarter of the season, at that point you should have your identity. Because everybody comes in with a plan. You know, the old Mike Tyson quote,

everybody got a plan until you get punched in the mouth. So everybody comes in with a plan with the identity. Maybe injuries happen. Maybe somebody outplays somebody, with a plan. You know, the old Mike Tyson quote, everybody got a plan until you get punched in the mouth. So everybody comes in with a plan with the identity. Maybe injuries happen. Maybe somebody outplays. Somebody wins the job. And then that changes over the first few weeks. And then you kind of find out, okay, we're good on the O-line. We can run the ball.

We got good backs. Got receivers. Our problem, nobody can guard us. The quarterback, he's just in a rhythm right now. So it's different things. So I would probably say after that first four or five games. Nine weeks. Okay.

They got nine weeks. Yeah. But Matty P, I think this will be his first time. I'm assuming he's calling plays. So who knows how long that's going to take with Mac Jones. You know, it's going to be very, very interesting down there. I mean, up there in New England. Not worried at all.

When they figure it out. Not worried at all. When they figure it out. Not worried at all. No, start. Bill Belichick. Yeah, started two and four last year. So, you know, I'll be worried if it's week nine and we haven't won a game yet. No, that's fine. Well, that won't happen.

That won't happen. And Matt, man, it's tough, man. That's tough. Yeah, I'd say. I mean, that is. That's fucking tough. A lot of people are talking about it and we're burying them while they're talking about it. Like, Orlovsky, shut the

fuck up, we said. We'll let Bill Belichick figure it out. And then that Mike Giordi tweet. Hey, that Mike Giordi tweet, though, that came out was like Mac looks... This guy's voluntary. And then they quoted Mike's quote and he was like, offensive line can't block anybody.

Wide receivers have no idea where they're supposed to go. And Mac looks bad as well. It's just like, oh, everything is collapsing in New England. This is everything everybody wants. You know, let's not overreact. No, yeah, I agree. Let's not overreact, like you said. No Belichick.

But these are control environments, right? These are practices. We talked about scripting, scripting for success sometimes. In New England, it's not much scripting for success that's going on like a lot of places you want to do that almost like a face a false sense of confidence in your quarterback yeah let's put him in some favorite position let's do this in new england it's it's competition not only the training camp but throughout the year so you're going to find out who's who pretty early on that's for the coaches as well. It's a lot of scripted periods.

But in New England, more than any other place I was, it was much more unscripted periods. Whereas, hey, we're dropping the ball. Punt team, first punt team up. You punt, you go out, and now this is the situation. This is the ball. Coordinator, you got to call plays. Defense coordinator, you got to call plays.

You guys go at it, figure it out. So it's a lot more than a training camp, a lot less scripting for success in New England. So you are going to find out more about your guys earlier on. But, you know, I can't – I'm not going to panic about some, you know, Mike Girardi comment on what's going on in training camp up there in New England. Hey, it's good for fodder. Shout out to Mike.

Respect, Mike. Yeah, nothing but respect for Mike. And he had to quote-sweet it because the reaction, I think, to his Matt Jones was bad. He had to clarify some things. And we appreciate everybody that's covering training camps and giving us news. But that was great fodder for us to go, oh, no, no, no. Patriots are dead.

Patriots are dead. But once again, they have nine weeks. I mean, that is so long to figure out. And by the way, even if it goes into the second quarter of the season, you've got nothing but time. And Bill Belichick has only cared about football after Thanksgiving. That's right. They start out against the Dolphins in Miami.

That's good news. Great news. Get rid of that issue later in the season that D-Bot was just talking about. Then in Pittsburgh, so two games on the road. Then at home against Baltimore. At home against the Green Bay Packers. At home against the Lions. Tell you what, man.

Hey, those first four. Tough. Those are some hell of five defenses right there. Yeah, first five. Hell of a five week, though. Look up for the five week. Those first four. Hell of a five defense, right?

I want to say first five, but not yet. Hey, it's good to get them out of the way. You know, good to get that out of the way as you continue to try to get going late. And then if you look at the end of the season, I mean, there's a whole other conversation about it. They got Bills last game of the year. That's going to mean something. Yeah, I think all six of those games are actually starting at Thanksgiving. It's like five straight primetime games.

And then it's Finns and then Bills. It's going to be fun to watch the AFC East. You got Bills twice at the end. December January, you got Arizona with D-Hot back. You got the Raiders with their shit figured out. I'm not worried about Arizona. By that time of the season. The greatest game of his life.

You better keep eyes on Mike Giordi until we see if they figure it out. That's right. We can't thank you enough for joining us, D-Butt. You're the best, man. I appreciate you guys, man. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Mother. Darius Mother.

Here we go. Atta baby. Here we go, Atta Baby. In hour two, this should be a good one. Ian Rappaport will be joining us in about 30 minutes to break down his training camp travels and what he has going on. He is currently at the Carolina Panthers, which allegedly Benjamin Albright put out a tweet that they are shopping Sam Darnold.

I texted Rapphid about it. He said he's not so sure that that's real. We will find out if he has any updates in about 27 minutes or so. The Talks at the Table is here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. You two look fantastic. Packers, obviously, vibes are high because Family Night was there. Patriots, vibes are low because the offense stinks, but you've got nothing but time.

We just talked to D-Bud who's been up there at Tone Diggs. One half of the hammer. Cowboys, you look good, pal. Thank you. You look great as well. Oh, I appreciate that. So I took a week after Summer Slam and was a fat ass. Sure.

Ate everything. I'm back on it today. Here we go. I can't be gaining 45, 50 pounds this football season. Okay, this is like our fourth season now covering. Yep. And I have gained weight every single year. I've gained alarming amounts of weight and skin in my face and body and anytime we run one of those like

throwback videos i always like check the date of my late football season i'm on it i'm getting into a routine now that i can hopefully keep all the way through season so i don't just become a walking talking sports cardiac arrest let's go so let's do it, huh? If anybody can do it, you can do it, but we talked about it before the show started. It's going to be very difficult. Those Sundays. Need a pizza. Need a pizza. Maybe get some wings. That rolls into Monday.

Oh my God, because Monday you've got to celebrate Monday Night Football. And then Thursday Night Football. Guess what? We've got another game on Thursday. How am I supposed to watch NFL, let alone the college football game? And now on Saturdays. Oh, my God. I'm going to beat it. This is the year I don't become a fat ass.

Here we go. Let's go. Let's do it together. Let's do it together. Here we go, boys. Get yoked. No, we don't even need to get yoked. Just don't get fat.

Yes. Okay. Obese is what. I was 280. People say, oh, I saw you gain some weight. Some. I'm 280 pounds. You're a linebacker.

I'm a linebacker. 280 is like an athletic offensive linebacker. The end. I mean, that is not good. I need to not do that this year. Set the edge. And I am going to publicly shame myself into not doing it. Here we go.

Hey, fat fuck. Not this year. Eat a pizza on Sunday, but we don't eat one Monday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Right. Okay, let's just keep it to one day. Let's just keep it to the Lord's Day. Let's just keep it to God's Day right there on Sunday. All right.

With that being said, let's join us now from an attic in Ohio. There's a robot of a man. Yep. A man who's actually never gained a pound or lost a pound. Crazy. He has somehow always maintained the exact weight that he is at all times. He is a robot, a functioning one. We have another AI day coming in September, by the way.

That's right. There's another AI day. Everybody keep eyes on Sweet Blake's penis because we don't know what he's going to get into on AI day. Artificial Intelligence Day Part 2, September 30, 2022. You know, they're making a little heart thing with their artificial intelligence day part two, September 30th, 2022. You know, they're making a little hard thing

with their artificial intelligence hands. I can't wait to celebrate another AI day, but we need to keep eyes on Sweet Blake. This guy is going to be fucking an algorithm or two if he can, and we need to keep his dick in his pants for AI day part two. And that is really the most thing,

what I'm concerned with most. Yeah, I didn't know that was a hard thing. I thought that's where Sweet Blake was going to put his dong on AI day. Well, we can see that Sweet Blake probably... He's packed with most. Yeah, I didn't know that was a hard thing. I thought that's where Sweet Blake was going to put his dong on AI Day. Well, we can see that Sweet Blake probably hammered. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know if those hands are big or not, but Sweet Blake is the one that obviously created Lambda,

who's the Google AI that got sentient in which Sweet Blake and Lambda had full conversations. Now AI Day Part 2 is coming September 30th. Nick, your face always gets alarm whenever we start talking about these ais i saw a video this weekend of three robots might have been fake might have been real we just kicked those fucking things right in the head i have no idea why we are scared what do you watch another boss town dynamics video fake one uh is this fake you tell me go ahead and run this box yeah i know we got it somewhere look at that kick that thing right in its head what are we even thinking oh he's just

a little baby ass weak ass okay look at this little soft ass oh no you just knock up bang pow come on all three of those little dumb ass computer robots are done i don't know why everybody's so scared of these ais but i would like to let them know if they're listening which they are i'll go down the motor spec for you guys yeah absolutely not the motor spec for you guys i think the thing to be definitely concerned with is imagine that if the arms were like They're listening, which they are. I got another motor spec for you guys. Yeah, absolutely. Another motor spec for you guys. Absolutely. Another motor spec for you guys. I think the thing to be definitely concerned with is imagine that if the arms were like katanas or if that thing just took out like a shotgun, then he doesn't just have like a little mallet he's hitting you with. Bro, I watch Terminal List, dude.

Okay. I'm coming around that corner sideways. Yeah, yeah. Tell that little right. I watch Terminal List twice. Mm-hmm. So I watched terminal list twice. So I go bumping. Maybe. Yep.

You know what I mean? Flipping it around. How about I'm holding that son of a bitch sideways. Oh, yeah. Better not see you downrange. Well, you. You're goddamn right. I saw Jack Carr doing his thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Crush. You got a road terminal. Look at this fucking guy. This is the Navy SEAL that wrote terminal list. I guess it's a five series or five part book they made, obviously, into Prime with Chris Pratt. This guy, he just killed 7,000 robots.

In a suit, all headshots. Boom. How you doing? You're dead. See you later. I'm Jack Carr. I'm a Navy SEAL. That's what we'll continue to say to the AIs if they want to come fight us.

That's right. Sideways. Come get some. Come get some. Until then, we celebrate AI Day. Acknowledge me. Part 2. Yes, September 30th. We will acknowledge AI Part 2. How come Sweet Blake shaved

off his burn size after murdering all those women in the Midwest? Alright, that is not Larry Hall. Okay? But now Tony says it. Sweet Blake is not Larry Hall, but he does probably do the reenactments and such, which we will not blame them. There's a lot of people that do that that don't kill 21, 15, depending upon.

No spoilers where you are in the series. Nonetheless, joining us now is a man who's never gained a pound and never lost a pound. He is a robot. We should celebrate him on September 30th. Our favorite AI, our Super Bowl champion AI, our college football national champion AI, our COVID surviving AI, ladies and gentlemen, AI, A.J. Hart. Baby A.J., you see me turn that fucking gun, dude? I'm a SEAL. Is that why his name's A.J.?

Yep, you look just like Chris Pratt, man. Chris Pratt, you can tell that dude did a lot of training, didn't he, for that show? I'd say. You know what I learned? You know how he pulls the pistol back into his chest? Oh, yeah. Isn't that sweet? Yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of this. There's a lot of this. You look super professional when you're doing that shit. He's also real smooth. Oh, yeah. He's your head fire. I love it. But I think what I learned from that,

especially once I was told that actual Seal was writing it, which I don't know shit about Foxwell. I apologize to Jack Carr for not knowing he wrote it until like episode three maybe I was in. And I was told like, oh, yeah, actual actual navy seal wrote that he has many more i'm like mad respect listening to them talk about killing a person like they are trained to kill people uh we know where it eats we know where it sleeps we know the way it gets in there's a camera it's like god damn there are some people out there these seals and these special forces you know army

has navy has has, they are killing machines. Like, that is what they are. And I was both impressed by it and then also like, man, if one of these motherfuckers wants me dead, I'm dead. Easy to find. I'm walking right out here. He's taking a piss every five minutes.

He's doing, I mean, it is, the way they talked about humans as if you would hear like my dad talk about a deer that he wants to kill. It was fascinating to hear. You know i mean aj it is is it set up for a second season you said he wrote five books right so there are have they have they renewed it so bill has listened to the audio book of terminalist so he has substituted uh podcasts with books now at a baby bill good job bill learning to kill more efficiently. Yeah, I think, yeah. He's actually,

I already knew that. I already knew that. I already knew that. I already knew that. He listened to all five of them in hopes to learn something. Yeah. He got through all five of them

and didn't learn anything. Yeah, nothing. Knew it all. Ooh, raw, he said, Jack Carr. Yeah. Navy SEAL, that would be a Marine call. But he said that,

clearly, that was book one. So there's probably, what, four more seasons. Yeah, yeah. Governor knew for the second season, so they probably will do four or five. Chris Pratt was a badass. No spoilers. Dr. Mel Lennon at the end. Dr. Mel Lennon at the end.

Did you? Well, you haven't listened to a single dialogue. I mean, that entire show is set up through dialogue scenes and you just fast forward through all of them true so you don't even know any of the storylines or any of the conversations but i can't wait for season two all right let's move on um aj how was the weekend pal you had your cult event it was a smashing success way to go yeah thanks it was awesome man phil phil came in town with his his neighbor buddy and their wives. And yeah, it was a great time, man. You missed out. A lot of people actually asked,

but where's Pat, man? He was great last year. I was like, I can't make it this year. Maybe next year, guys. Yeah, I had something going on. I apologize for not making it. I told Phil this whenever he was driving out there with the best people. When he was driving out there, I said, hey, this is going be like the best event you've ever been like you guys put on a hell there was the best event i've ever been to the one that you put together it was everybody was all in i've never been to those parties where like you know there's a theme no one mails it and everybody's all in like normally i am a part of the crew believe it or not that doesn't go all in sure and we kind we kind of fuck it all up, but we're not the only ones.

This particular time, dressed up, everybody was bought in. The amount of vibes, it was good vibes. This one was a Gatsby thing. Shout out to Gertie. Gertie made that graphic right there. Did he really? Yeah, that's what I said. I told you a couple weeks ago.

Oh, yeah, Gertie. Thanks, buddy. Hey, Gertie. Moonlighting on the side. Hey, baby Gertie. Helping out the Ohio State cult. We appreciate that dirty The Gatsby event though I am very bummed that I missed

Because your events are fucking great AJ Absolutely great Thank you man Yeah I was surprised At how many people Actually took part And dressed up like

I mean I had a full tux And an ascot on For the first like three hours And then I was just so So sweaty I changed to a tuxedo t-shirt Which made me feel much better. But, yeah, everyone, it's the, you know, we don't,

the Buckeye Crew is for cancer people. They set the whole thing up, run everything. People were awesome. Yeah, hopefully we filled it a good time. Hopefully everyone did. His buddy, diehard Ohio State guy, Wayne, he was fun. Oh, nice. I've never met him.

Sounds like a great guy. I wish I could go. Hopefully we'll go next year. The boys were wondering, were they actually invited or no? Yeah, kind of. Yeah, they should. Next year's 70s theme. We should get a table. Okay. Oh, yeah. See you there. There we go. Hopefully we'll go next year. The boys were wondering, were they actually invited or no? Yeah, kind of fucked up. Yeah, next year's 70s theme. We should get a table. Oh, yeah. See you there. There we go.

We'll go next year. Said that last year, though. He did invite you guys. I told them, you invited them on air and they said we were not invited. And they all just poo-pooed it. We're not invited. Well, what they actually said was, Phil's neighbor that none of us know or care about was invited to AJ's event.

None of us were. That's what they said. I said, you guys were invited. You guys were actually invited, I think, right? You guys were. So like everyone else at the party, you just like saw them out in public. Hey, welcome to the party. Did they receive like invitations and stuff?

It's funny you say that because we have like, we've done this, I don't know, nine, ten years in the Buckeye Cruise people. We don't have sent out a lot of invites. People are just, they know and they said it and they come back so you guys are being dramatic me and aj are both saying you guys are being dramatic it's not as if these people on friday right before the event are like oh yeah i forgot tomorrow's the day when aj hawk is putting on that great cast of you that we should go these people playing it you know months in advance so maybe next time a little goddamn heads up where are we we supposed to go? When do we go there? Yeah. Is there a hotel? Are we driving there and back in the

same night? What's the deal here? Is it my job to get your hotel, con man? No, it's not your freaking job, AJ, but it is your freaking job to let us know. It was like three days you told them, hey, you guys come. It's a little difficult now that we're adults. I know. Good God. Anyways, I'm happy you put on the event. I'm bummed I missed it.

These guys were invited. They chose not to go. That's a shame for you guys. Bullshit. Anyways, I'm happy you put on the event. I'm bummed I missed it. These guys were invited. They chose not to go. That's a shame for you guys. Bullshit. Way to go, AJ. Next August probably, boys. Next August. Put it in. First Saturday of August. Let's talk about how the Hall of Fame game happened on Thursday and then there's no other preseason games until this upcoming Thursday

and they had the Hall of Fame stuff during the day on Saturday. Could they not put preseason games on Sunday so we didn't have this big leap and big wait? I assume every coach is happy that we got more time, but players got to be getting antsy at this point of training camp, don't you think, AJ? Oh, yeah.

They see the Hall of Fame game and thinking, all right, here we go. We're getting close to getting to our in-season schedule. I know we would always get excited when you look forward in the calendar and you see, oh, we get to move out of the hotel or dorms on this date. And then we kind of go to an in-season schedule and it feels like, all right, now we're playing real football. Right now, those guys are kind of, you're dealing with it before your first preseason game. You haven't even had that yet. Yeah, it's kind of a long week. Yeah, people are already sore, already tired, haven't even played first preseason game. It's like, God damn, this is going to be a long year.

But once you get back into the facility, get back home, it's a little bit different. Now, obviously, not everybody's going to get there, but there's injuries and people are going to get cut. I guess the Bills are moving out of Rochester, New York, in like three days or something. Remember, they won early because they have the opener on Thursday night against the Rams. But it is – we are deep in training camp right now everywhere.

We are – there's injuries happening. There's trade requests already happening. I mean, it is. People are retiring. Guys are being considered. They're calling people bust already and all superstars off of like a seven-on-seven rep or something like. There's legit.

I was watching some clip. I forget who it was. Great throw, great catch, whatever. And I was like, why is the guy running 75%? It was a walkthrough rep where they had guys wearing little deals on their helmets like punters are playing defense. I'm like, oh, it's a walkthrough and everyone's cheering like this guy's looking in mid-season form all right let's go right to one of those clips that we saw then out of the new york jets camp jordan davis one-on-one with a center and he just bodies this guy straight back

slick seemed like it was in the middle of rain put him on skates put him on skates yeah and the guy was trying to do i don't know who it was. He was trying his best. That's a drill, by the way. So there is a drill where guys are getting, they have weights, and they're getting pushed on, and they hop backwards, right? That is like teach tape of what you're supposed to do. But Jordan Davis, 6'8", what was he, 6'3"? 380.

6'6", 380, running 4'5", or whatever. This guy, physical specimen freak show. Philadelphia Eagles, sorry about that. I don't think that any offensive lineman would watch this and say this matters, though. That's the only issue with training camp. This type of one-on-one with the center, with no guard help on attack.

I mean, this would be, every offensive lineman hates that this footage went out. But on the flip side, looks like Jordan is a dog. Looks like he is a dog, A.J. Hawkk looks like jordan's got some power doesn't he and that's when the that guard there he tries to anchor and he has to reset like four times and his feet keep sliding out you put him on skates yeah it might not be the most realistic drill but it definitely shows you i think this guy has the power to play at this level i i would say so and i don't think that's kelsey it was the center guard gets out the way. But these one-on-ones

and these highlights, and I'm partially to blame because me and Gumpy are firing these off on the Instagrams, you know, like literally every 10 minutes. I mean, they are fun to watch. I do like watching these deep balls completed. Yeah, I like to see that there is going to be great football that's going to happen after watching a Hall of Fame game and going, God damn, this is fucking terrible football.

So I like seeing the highlights, but it is so hard to read who wins and who doesn't. We're almost like pro football focus at this point. Because, well, would that offensive line, with the size of that center, who was drafted because Jason Kelsey liked him, I think, would they ever have him one-on-one with Jordan Davis sitting right there? Never.

Ever, ever in a million years would they have it. But, have to do the drill and we learn something about Jordan. So it's always like, we have to try and be impartial here whenever we're looking at things because a lot of us understand that there's a lot of drills that are favored for somebody, and also somebody might be working on something. That might not be the person they're going to be in games.

So we've got to remember that when we're watching this show. To your point, the game that we get Thursday night is Giants and Patriots, and both teams had terrible reports come out this weekend. Daniel Jones, hey, that rep looked bad. Did you see that? That throw to the right? Yeah, but aren't people also saying the route was a bit shoddy? Yeah, D-Butt kind of went to the defense of Daniel Jones,

was like, that was a throwaway. I think it clearly was a throwaway. Lazy rot. You know, if that guy comes out of his stem a little bit harder, probably closer there. So not that big of a deal. But it's hard not to watch that and go, oh, no. Oh, no.

I saw a 30-second one. Once again, got to be impartial. Got to be impartial because we don't know. We hear Saquon's back. We hear Saquon looks great, right? Yeah, I mean, the offensive line gave him time, so that's good. It's a scary rep right there, too. You're throwing in the red zone. You throw that thing late or whatever big six and

i mean michael lombardi uh he quotes way to listen said bring in jimmy g because dayball was in new england right yes whenever jimmy g was up there so if you have any questions at all right now and you're any of these teams why not now is Now, does Daniel Jones have the ability to become Josh Allen with day ball? We shall see. But also, if a rep keeps going out like that, it's going to be hard for the Giants fans not to be like, Ah, fuck, we suck again. This guy is the worst. I saw a longer one.

Because that one was, yeah, the wideout wasn't the best route ever. But there was a longer one with like three or four more plays of similar stuff. So it was. New offense. Yeah. New offense. That was part of it. That's what we're talking about.

Impartial. We have no idea. With that being said, Giants fans are probably finding it to be a little difficult to remain optimistic with old Daniel Jones' experience with dayball. To your point about him maybe being Josh Allen, he has to turn into that this year. They have to make a decision right now.

It's not like you can see enough. Actually, three years from now he might be the guy we think he is. He has to be that guy right now. So it's not like you can see enough like, oh, well, hey, actually, three years from now he might be the guy we think he is. Like he has to be that guy right now. And if he's not, why not get Jimmy G? Could you imagine Jimmy in the Giants, AJ? I mean, I think he could do very well there. Oh, yeah. So he'd just be shirtless on the cover of every magazine.

Oh, yeah. Day one over there in New York. GQ. Heartthrob. Jimmy Garoppolo. Football pants on. What do you need to know? Yeah York? Mm-hmm. GQ. Heartthrob. Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah. Football pants on. What do you need to know? Yeah, Criss Angel football pants on.

What do you need to know about the new incredibly handsome starting quarterback for the New York Giants? That shit would just be heavy. Oh, yeah. And Daniel Jones is just sitting there going, what? That guy ran the wrong route. Yeah, but also. He wasn't supposed to be.

He was sitting all over the route. He was like, I'm not going to throw it right there. What do you guys want me to do? Both sides are very valid, by the way. And that's why a training camp is such a, you know, live by the sword, die by the sword. Speaking of, Carson Wentz is allegedly having some inaccuracies. Oh, no.

I'm not doing it. I'm not burying him. I'm not burying him. New offense, new home. New rhythm, new wide receivers. Okay, this is. A lot of crowd noise he's dealing with probably there at practice. No, no crowd noise. They had to pump it in

I think to the speakers because there was not a lot of turnout there. They did get rid of the take command. They no longer take command. That is no longer their thing. What is it then? We are commanders is still their thing, right? Yes. We are commanders.

What's that from? The internet Thanks Who asked us that? Ron? Heineke Heineke, yeah The people that created that on the internet as a joke

Who are Commanders fans Want to let you know If that thing catches on Would be awesome Yeah I guess They're doing Hashtag Hail the Commanders

Is that right? I don't know I have no idea I have no idea They can't miss these days. This is one person told me this who just got his first golf win ever. But we don't know if he is telling the truth or not telling the truth. Yeah, I could see it.

Take command also works. Did you see someone did tweet that they were at the camp this past weekend? And it wasn't pretty big because he said, I was at old football team's name before the football team, not the commanders, practice today. We are not going to win a game. And I believe he got like 3,000 retweets. I thought you were talking about the poop pipes.

Oh yeah, that also happened. 21 hours ago, hashtag HTTC. Hail to the commanders. Hail to the commanders. Congrats to them buying in and understanding catches what doesn't speaking of catches will they be able to make any terry mclaurin that is with carson wentz playing quarterback i think his good will be great his bad will be noticeable and i'm not sure there's any real expectations for the commanders this year is there you hit it right there like i think the one thing they have going for them if things like this continue to come out is that expectations become lower and lower for their team

so whatever they do is a positive i feel like still got poop pipes bursting in the stadium whenever there's not even that much poop going through the pipes right speaking of uh poops going poop going through pipes today is the anniversary of uh dave matthews' band dumping the poop off of their bus onto a boat that was passing underneath the said bridge. The number that I seen was 800 pounds of poop. Holy shit. There's no way that is accurate, though.

Did one bus carry that much? Dave loves McDonald's. How could you not? In my last weekend of binging a bunch of food, my last meal, quarter pounder with cheese. Nice. Has to be.

With an apple pie. Yep. Fries. Large fry. Spray. Why? Perfect. And I got some nuggets on the side.

10-piece nugget on the side. Anyways, I don't know if it's just McDonald's that is flooding that, but yeah, I guess this is the date years ago. Yep. 18 years ago, Dave Matthews banned poop bus. Chicagoans will never, ever forget. Dave Matthews tour bus dumped 800 pounds of poop on people. Damn you, man.

The picture from the other side is absurd. 800 pounds of poop. Oh, my God. The bus had a lot of black water and a lot of gray water. That's right water or fresh water that thing was ready to burst in

they thought they got to a good place to do it it was obviously a metal bridge this would be a great place to drop this off

goes right into the river where you want your poop to go and instead some boat was going underneath taking a tour

is that the worst tour of all time did the bus stop and park and pump it off? I think it was kind of a drive-by shit drive. Can you even do that? Well, they did. They did.

And I assume there's some rules against it in Chicago now. But nonetheless, we're happy that Dave Matthews' bus got some relief. We are bummed that the people underneath had to eat Dave Matthews' shit 18 years ago. And all parties have moved on and learned from it. Shout out to 18 years ago on Monumental Things. Shout out. It's a real bummer they couldn't wait until they got to Indy because I'd feed the bums for two months. The timing.

How did you time it up so perfectly? Zeno said he thinks this is fake, but it was for visual representation, reenactment of what it could have been like. Right. It's definitely fake. Eight out of what it could have been like. Right. Yeah, it's definitely fake. Eight hundred pounds? Eight hundred pounds of shit? It was at 1 p.m. It was in the middle of the afternoon. Well, absolutely.

How can a bus hold that much poop? What are you talking about? They got big old tanks. Big septic tanks. I'm telling you. Is that the biggest Blackwater tank alive? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a big part of it.

The whole Blackwater, Greywater, Fresh freshwater thing is a massive ordeal on the bus it's almost like the most important thing because if you have too much it obviously smells terribly okay i've been a part of some uh operations in which there was a shitter on the bus that we were in the toilet is always the problem yep the toilet is always the problem with those things now there's other maintenance issues that happen but the water maintenance is paramount because if you don't, it's fucking ruined. So they knew it. They were getting to a point that they couldn't get in.

You think Dave could sing Satellite that night if he continued to smell those 800 pounds of shit through the toilet while he sat on that bus? No shit. No, he had to do it for the good of his fans. They had to get that 800 pounds of shit off immediately. They did. Just so happened to be exactly the one, but it was passing underneath hour and a half out of a fucking movie, by the way.

Out of an absolute movie. Were they playing ants marching outside of the bus while they were dumping all the poop? No, no. I think Dave was probably playing the guitar. Yeah, exactly. He didn't even know what was happening. Oh, right. Okay.

Yeah, he had no idea. And the driver just pulled the little lever. Yep. Boom. Released the valve. Oh, no. no idea. And the driver just pulled the little lever. Yep. Boom. Released the valve. Oh, no. And there's breaking news. We have breaking news.

It's not good. Keith Urban also got in trouble for doing something very similar. How do you expect these guys' vocal cords to remain golden if there's just poop radiating through the fucking bus? Can't have it. And you assume that he found out like four or five weeks later when they're like, Dave, you actually killed like eight people from E. They got E. coli. Wow.

We dumped all that poop on that tourist boat. You killed like eight people. Dave had a moment of silence two shows later. Exactly. People in Chicago that they're poop. Yeah. And right into fucking he wake up in the morning. Puts on a hell of a show. Oh yeah. By the way, those fancy buses,

Pat, you know those fancy buses? I think all of them probably now have those grinders that grind their turds. Macerator. You keep saying grinder turds. Who did he say this about last week? He said somebody's in...

No, dead serious. No, we're talking about Mr. Beast. No, dude. The fancy buses. Somebody should come on. Somebody should come on. It's a little macerator where they can fit a lot more turds

in their system. You knew exactly what we were referring to. So that means you continued that conversation later with somebody off air. General Bob Carpenter. Hey, what do you think you're doing? Push some turds. Bob's never heard of Mr. Beast.

There's no way. Well, I think maybe you introduced him whenever you heard that he was crushing his turds into bottles. Keith Urban did 2009 on 11th Street, New York City. But he's Australian. With a southern accent. And he plays the hell out of a City. But he's Australian. With a southern accent. And he plays the hell out of a guitar. So he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Bingo.

All right, let's talk about some... Did you see... This type of situation actually happened yesterday at the Big Machine Music City race, car race, down in Nashville. They raced through the streets of Nashville yesterday. Maybe 70 accidents crashes 70 of them just the whole thing and then there was one overpass they went underneath

and they have an open top they have these new glass shields they used to be open uh race open wheel so that's one uh indycar so their heads used to pop out they have since added like glass to kind of help and but they's still a hole on top. They're driving through the streets of Nashville, around Nissan Stadium, across bridges. It's a pretty sick thing. Indianapolis will never be able to do it because the bums will get in front of them, and then all the potholes will ruin it. So Nashville got put on a pretty good display.

The roads were a little tight, though. I mean, there was a lot of accidents. They were driving under this one overpass, and it had a delay earlier in the day from a rainstorm. Water drops off it right into, like, these drivers are going, I don't know, 100, 120 miles an hour. Water, just a sheet of water falls into, like, the cars as they're driving by. A little bit of water.

The guy had an accident. A little bit of water just fell there, and then he just moved on. I'm like, think of that person that's driving like 100 miles an hour, and then just a bucket of water gets dumped. I guess the good news is it wasn't poop. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, there's a lot of this type of shit happening, I guess.

That race was awesome. No chance you saw it yesterday, AJ? No, I was not aware of that. But don't you think that guy's first thought was, oh, no, someone dumped their bus poop on him? Yeah, I think so. I don't know which driver it was that got it, but that race lasted seven hours yesterday. Did it really? Crashes everywhere.

That's tough. The scenes were cool, though. Looked like it was packed up. So it's considered Indy? It's part of the IndyCar circuit? Yeah, yeah. It's called a road course, obviously. It goes through downtown Nashville, across a couple bridges.

I mean, it was very nice. I was so impressed by the roads like you drive 14 feet here in indianapolis that new hummer i got is fucking you know what i mean it's crawling over that thing they were sprinting indy cars through there that are this high off the ground not even it's like pretty impressive for the streets down there yeah and that's what they should do more of is doing the stuff through the cities but you're right i mean mitt has a must, and he drove through the city once, and I believe he had two flat

tires by the time he got back. I can't even ride a motorcycle. It's like my favorite hobby. I can't even ride it because of how bad the streets are. It's like, it's a scratch off on whether or not I'm going to make it back. And it's like, I can't do that now. You're riding the country roads out by the house. They're bad too. Every, hey. Terrible everywhere.

Everything, okay. Well, you got a lot of semis going around. They're building huge warehouses. That's what's causing it. Well, that and it seems like a lack of maintenance from anybody that's in a position of power carrying it all. And then our power grid could go out. Literally, you flick a cigarette in the wrong place, the entire power grid's going to go out like it did today, AJ.

That's life right now, isn't it? Are they picking and choosing who they're turning on and turning off? No, this wasn't because he just was of underground fire. Actual smoke coming out of a grate next to the library up here? Are people living down there? Probably. I thought there's a whole Vegas community living down there. That's where they do their other business.

That's another part of the problem. Anyways, let's get to a break. Let's get back on track, okay? We'll be back in four minutes with Ian Rappaport Here we go Let's go, Rapp He's on a training camp tour Currently at the Panthers camp

We'll ask him about everything going on I watched the movie Luck this weekend on Apple Oh, is that the animated one with the cat? It's for five-year-olds Yes Wife loved it Sure I snoozed a couple times

Overall? Not bad Okay Much better than Jurassic World Dominion. This man is a senior NFL insider for the league itself and the network that the league owns and also the subscription service that the NFL just opened so they can bundle that in a package

that, you know, two and a half billion dollars a year is going to be worth. Bingo. This man is also the host of the weekly wrap-up of Rap Sheet and Friends. Us being the friends, he being Rap Sheet. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. Hey, Rap Sheet! What's going on? I think it's raining on me,

so I'm going to have to do this under the canopy. What type of rain? Is this Chicago rain, or is this... It's the big old fat rain, like they used to say in Forrest Gump. Oh, yeah, those big drops. But I'm under a tent, so all is well. Above that tent, big cumulus clots.

Yeah. That is why the big drops of precipitation are coming down. We're happy. Look at this nice setting. Look at this. Beautiful. Is that new because Tepper's been there, or is this how it's always been? This is how it's always been.

They've been here for years and years and years. Predates Tepper. And, you know, I think eventually they'll move out of here and they'll get their own facility and do everything there, but there's some stuff that's happened. Well, they did try, and there was an ending to that deal pretty quick. Yeah. He's at Carolina Panthers practice and training camp,

which is a great start to our conversation with the man who knows everything about everything happening in the NFL. Sam Darnold's on the trading block. Benjamin Albright put that tweet out. Does that mean Baker Mayfield's outright winning the competition? Matt Corral also looking good? Or what are you hearing about the quarterback situation down there in Carolina where all eyes are looking?

Yeah, I don't think Darnold's going to be on the trade block. I don't think anybody would trade for him, honestly. I mean, I think when you have that salary for a backup quarterback, I mean, they would have to eat significant, significant salary. And if you're going to do that, why wouldn't you just keep him as your backup, right? I mean, if you're going to pay him, just keep him. And he's someone who has started. If something does happen to Baker Mayfield, he's a perfect guy to slide in there.

But to answer your question, you know, Baker's got the leg up here. I would say he's got the inside track to win the job. Had a really, really nice day today. Done a good job as far as understanding things, kind of fitting right in. Taking control a little bit. I would say if it continues in this direction,

then, yeah, shush. I'm trying to tell him nicely. No, you. Is it Garifullo? Yeah. Yeah, shush. I'm trying to tell him nicely. No, you. Is it Garrett Fuller? Yeah. No, it's not. It's a repetition.

No, not Fuller. Hey, can we have an off-air convo real quick? No. No. No. No, but if it all progresses like this, I would say Baker's going to be the starter, which is the best-case scenario for the Panthers.

Ian, are they going to keep three? What if Corral shows going to be the starter, which is the best-case scenario for the Panthers. Ian, are they going to keep three? What if Corral shows enough to be the backup? I would say they are going to keep three, almost definitely. My guess is Corral will probably not end up as the backup to start. Now, I mean, if they get to the point where the season's not going in a good direction, it wouldn't hurt to play him just to see what they have um but my guess is it'll be baker is the one sam is the two and corral in a place where he can learn and just not worry about it just learn and kind of be in the background which is like for someone who has a lot of talent but you know has a ways to go before being an nfl

player perfect it actually is a great yeah it is like and that's the thing like if he's a first or second round draft pick you almost can't wait now if you want to wait it's like okay no big deal yeah then when malik willis no big deal yeah i think malik willis in tennessee also trey lance was the number three overall they got to wait with him for a year i think waiting and seeing how the professional game works helps out immensely but if the team needs them they'll be able to put him in. How's Hecker bombing balls over there? He look good?

Oh, yeah. I did a lot of studying on him today. I thought he looked good. Oh, shut the fuck up. This is unbelievable. Johnny Hecker's one of the best of all time. His first year with the Panthers. No, I did notice him today because I saw a huge booming punt,

and I was like, wow, but it was actually the judge machine. All right, this guy stinks. We will move on. Baker Mayfield obviously traded from the Browns. The Browns at one point this offseason said, hey, Baker, funny, cute little request to get traded, but we ain't trading you. The same thing seems to be happening with Hunt.

Is that the feel you're getting? They're going to keep Hunt around even though he doesn't like it? Or do you think he inevitably gets traded because, I mean, he wants to get paid as a guy? And we talked to Darius Butler earlier. He said, film says he is a guy on any team other than like three of them. How do you see that panning out? And do you think the Browns have so many distractions?

Are they going to be able to win a game this year? I mean, that's a real question. I would say, first of all, I would be surprised if somebody traded for Kareem Hunt. And it's not just because he has all the stuff in his background, which is how he ended up getting cut by the Chiefs and going to the Browns, and not everybody would want to take that on. It's also like not a lot of people pay running backs. It's even worse value to trade for a running back and then pay him.

So my guess is nothing happens. He made his stance. He tried. You know, the Browns have not come out publicly and said that they would fine him. But if you're sitting out team drills and then suddenly two days later you come back in team drills, I'm going to guess somebody said something to him that said, like, hey, dude, you should probably be involved in this. So it looks like it's going to be status quo um and also like if you're the browns like running backs get injured bradley chubb is awesome

nick chubb is awesome bradley chubb also more uh more more important to this conversation nick chubb awesome running backs do get hurt i if i'm the browns i'm not sure there's a move that would make this make sense. They said $50,000 a day. Is that the max fine? Yes. I think that is the max fine. And I don't know that that's what it was,

but that would be just to sit out some team drills, make a stance. I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense. Bro, the Browns have so much shit. And the dog pound, by the way, has been through it. I mean, the dog pound has been through it. You go all the way back to whenever they got up and left town, won a Super Bowl somewhere else. They bring a team back. They stink

forever. They'll list the quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield wins a playoff game for them. Get him the fuck out of town, please. He's starting for the Panthers now. He's good enough to go in there. He fit in. He's starting for the Panthers and for the Browns. They got a running back that they thought they were going to use a lot. He fit in. He's starting for the Panthers and for the Browns. They got a running back that they thought they were going to use a lot.

He wants the hell out of town. They got a quarterback that might never play, right? I mean, there's a chance. No. I mean, is there a chance? Yes. And I know the NFL's pushing

for a year-long suspension. You talk about the distractions that, I hope you can hear me with this rain currently destroying us. Hey, it's all right. That's a distraction. Put the grit cap on like MCDC and let's get through. You're crushing it. You're killing it right now. It is amazing to think of all the different things the Browns are going through, have put themselves through and all of that. I do wonder, it's like,

you know, talk about when this Deshaun Watson suspension will happen. You know, obviously, he's going to be suspended at least the first six games. We'll see if it's more. There is some value, I think, for them in just having some certainty and knowing just what it's going to be. Because every single day, having all the coaches and all the players being asked about it all the time, it passed away.

It just passed away. Yeah, especially when every other team in the NFL seems to be focusing on football, and then your team is worried about literally everything else. I think as AJ and I, and I don't think I've gotten AJ's exact date because he's in Ohio, so he might be scared of it. But anybody that's ever been in the NFL knows it's hard to win in the fucking NFL, let alone whenever you're not all in on football.

So like Cleveland Browns shit, if you're in dog pound, I can assume you're a bit alarmed by it all. So are we. Team's talented. Maybe they'll be able to go. The AFC North is a problem. Let's go to the NFC real quick. Trey Lance, allegedly better than John Lynch could have ever imagined.

We're seeing highlights every single day. Is it that good over there right now? Is it just he's picking this thing up like that and the highlights are representative of the entire practices, or are we only seeing the good right now, you think, out of San Fran? Yeah, I mean, I would say if you're seeing the highlights are representative of the entire practices, or are we only seeing the good right now, you think, out of San Fran? Yeah, I mean, I would say if you're seeing the highlights and it's all positive, it's probably not the whole picture. I know when I was there a couple days ago, it was pretty up and down,

which is fine. I mean, he's very raw. He's learning on the fly, and there's certainly some accuracy issues. Yesterday was a pretty rough day, Less than 50% of his passes. But, you know, I think that's the way it's going to be. You know, because, I mean, they got a great defense. They're going to run the absolute heck out of the ball. He is a second-year player that needs to figure it out.

So, like, this is, you know, they made that big trade last year for 15 years, not for year two. So there's a lot of talent, a lot of talent, and he's going to make some wild plays. And everything else, some inaccuracy, the up and down, they're going to have to live with. And I think that because they are so talented on defense, really, really talented, and they're going to run the ball well,

I think they'll be able to manage that, especially early. But it has been a little up and down. Ian, I heard Carolina's trying to manage, I guess, Christian McCaffrey's reps a little bit or how far he runs after he catches the ball. What's practice like there compared to other places you've been? I know Matt Rule, he's a stickler for rules at times. I know he got what he'd make the team run when it got reached out over the goal line for a touchdown or just little things like that. Have noticed anything and celebrate yeah i think the the one sort of difference here for rule maybe compared to last year is that he has been a very heavy-handed coach who's intense and sort of lets his guys hear it he's been the leader the last two

years it's year three now and it sounds like he's letting the veterans kind of lead a little bit and be the be the louder voices which i think if you're going to build a team and you're going to win like it has to be you guys, like, it has to be. You guys know, like, the leadership has to be in the locker room, not the coaches, right? Like, that's when you're a good team. You have the guys sort of policing themselves. That's where they are now.

As far as McCaffrey, that is a good point. And it's not just the coaches managing him. It's also him being like, you know, he's not a rookie. He doesn't have to show everyone he can run 80 yards after every touch he needs to stay in the field and you know it's like we talk about guys being on a pitch count he's on a step count as we're talking about on the network today so like it's okay that he doesn't run a thousand yards down the field he needs to be manage himself and be healthy when it matters okay so a running back on a step count is interesting

because in las vegas it is being said running backs need all the reps they can get especially josh jacobs what are you hearing i saw you had a report this weekend on nfl network about that you'd oh pretty cool who was that that was somebody you know so no i will tell you exactly how to mike arafola who's right here mike Mike, say hi. Oh, Mike, two times one week. Let's go home, Mike. Let's see. He's going to be with me in Pittsburgh tomorrow, too. Oh, yeah.

Cool. He's down there in Pittsburgh. I'm legitimately excited. Anyway, he showed me a headline on one of our blogs that says Christian McCaffrey's on a step count. I am trying to make step count a thing for running athletes as opposed to pitch count which is for throwers okay there's kick counts there's step counts there's pitch counts let's get into all of them let's get into the step count you had a report this weekend about the raiders they're not trading josh jacobs they're just treating him like he's any other

running back basically that's how we should look at this uh for this upcoming year i kind of think that is a good read because like he you because running backs are treated a little differently. You don't hit them in practice a lot of times. A lot of them don't play in preseason games. The Raiders do not think like that. They didn't pick up his option. He's got a lot to prove. I really think they just wanted to see him in a game and needed him to get out there with the way they block and with this offensive line.

I don't believe they're trading him at all. The Hall of Fame game? That ain't fucking... What? You ain't need to see that Hall of Fame game. What, Ian? What? No. I understand. What? I understand. What? You were blocking for him in the Hall of Fame game if you wanted to.

They put a jersey on you in the Hall of Fame game if they needed to. What? I would not be able to block anyone right now. I'm very tired. I don't think I would. Oh, okay, because you're winded. You'd be car bloated the night before. If it was a Hall of Fame game, you knew about it. You'd be ready to go, okay. Cause you're winded. Yeah. You know, usually I car bloated the night before. Yeah. If it was a whole fame game, you knew about it.

You'd be ready to go. Obviously, but I'd be approaching, I'd be a steak the night before. Not a, not a pasta. So like, isn't,

isn't an easy rebuttal. They're like, well, Devante Adams needs to know how their offense builds. And Derek Carr needs to know what it's like to have Devante Adams out there. No, no,

no, no. We can do this all day. If we want to, but different situation because he's got a lot to prove. They didn't pick up his option. I know that's what we wanted to. No, I understand, but different situation because he's got a lot to prove. They didn't pick up his option. Well, that's what we're saying. He's not – right, but I'm saying they're not going to trade him.

They just need him to play well. Got it, got it. Like Devontae Adams, you know. Derek Carr, you know. Josh Jacobs, like, there's some talent. He's a first-rounder, but we don't know. He's at 3,000 yards. What?

What do we know, Ian? I think we know, right, that he's got him and Darren Waller were basically the team for a little bit. Waller's good. Hey, he didn't need to learn any new reps, right, in the Hall of Fame game? Yeah, Waller's good. Yeah, alright. So it is like a, hey,

Josh Jacobs, let's see what you got. I'm excited to see what he does. Last question from me before the boys and we can't thank Ian Rapport enough for joining us. When's Carter 6 coming out? I don't know if you heard the big flick earlier. When's Carter 6 coming out? Do you know? I don't know. I need to work my sources.

I've got to get on that. You're a big little lane guy? Go ahead, Connor. Good question for Ian Rappaport. What's worse, the attendance in Washington or Carson Wentz throwing the ball? Whoa, jeez.

Jeez. HTTC. We didn't want to talk about it. That's MSU. Ian, what's your problem? No, nothing. Working on timing. Very fair question.

Very fair question. I would not say the attendance either at training camp or in the regular season has been great. No, Carson Wentz does sound like he's had some – Hiding money. Well, he's on the yacht. Yeah, yeah, but ticket money. He was hiding from the Navy game and other things.

He's like, hey, I'm not selling enough tickets in the actual season. I need these, so fuck off. Allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. Not real. We don't know if that's real or not. Allegedly. All right, all right. So it does don't know if that's real or not. All right.

So, you know, it does sound Carson Wentz has had some accuracy issues, as he did last year. And I don't know if you – I'm not going to make a joke. I'm not going to make a joke. But you probably saw some of it last year at times, especially at the end of the season. Yep. On his feet.

He's one of only five active quarterbacks who have received an MVP vote in the last five years. Pretty cool. He had less interceptions last year than, like, 25 quarterbacks who have received an MVP vote in the last five years. Pretty cool. He had less interceptions last year than 25 quarterbacks. The stats, the things, if you were to make a case for Carson Wentz, you can literally go right to a podium and kill people. But if

you watch him play, the stats don't tell the story. He is scary. It sounds like there was even a report that somebody was chasing him and they were like, throw it away, throw it away. The defender was saying, throw it away, throw it away, and he just ran it down for a 10-yard loss. So it's like, everybody knows, like, hey, the good of Carson is great.

We just need – it's a team effort here to get him to this. Is that what's happening right now, Ian, even the defenders? Yeah, and, you know, like I was saying, I'm with Mike Garofalo today. We were actually having this conversation because when Carson has been coached incredibly hard, John D. Filippo was kind of his guy in Philly. He had maybe his best season because

there is a lot of good there, and the stats are good, but the bad plays have been bad. I think if he's going to succeed in Washington, they're going to have to play good defense, they're going to have to run the ball, and he's going to have to throw it away when necessary and be a little accurate. They are still bullish on him. They're going to have to play good defense. They're going to have to run the ball, and he's going to have to throw it away when necessary and be a little accurate. They are still bullish on him. They think he

is going to have a good season. They like the trade. Talk about a guy who has to prove himself. This is probably a year where Carson has to prove himself that he is a NFL starter, and that's okay. That's just where he is. Another quarterback that had some videos hit the internet this weekend that didn't look fantastic and is on that prove-it year.

Daniel Jones, are they trading for Jimmy G after the videos continue to hit the internet that we're seeing now? We have to follow up. We are pro football focused in this situation. We have no idea if that wide receiver ran the right route. We have no clue what the play was. It's tough to judge individual plays. But whenever there's stuff hitting the internet, I think a lot of Giants fans are like, same old Daniel Jones. Same old Daniel Jones.

What are we going to do? New head coach, new play caller who has had success in other places, great success. It appears early that they're not going to. Is there no need to panic right now? Daniel Jones is doing well. Is she just learning a new offense and we don't know who ran the right route and did all that stuff?

Or is this really cause for concern, you think, in New York? So I think that clip was actually a case of the receiver not running the route all the way as he needed to. Because the actual, like, I think, was it Galladay? I think it was Galladay. Kenny? Okay. I think that was the case.

Now, I'm not saying he's been perfect, and he is certainly another guy in a year where he also is going to end up as a starter franchise guy or not. And there's a lot of guys on that team. I mean, the Giants took the Joe Shane and Brian Dayball. I mean, they took over an organization knowing that they will see how it is this year. They will judge. They will evaluate. And then they might have to do some rebuilding,

and they might have to have someone else in. So they're judging all the things. So they're not on Jimmy G watch? You don't think they're on Jimmy G watch? I don't think they're on Jimmy G trade watch. If Jimmy G gets released. So talk about how this is going to play out, right? Yeah.

So unless there's a quarterback injury over the next two weeks, I don't think anyone trades for him. Gets a cut down day, probably, unless they can just deal with the salary, probably end up cutting him. We'll see. Save $20 million if they cut him by the way. Save $20 million. He's not even allowed to come to training camp. He's working out in the morning and then he's going home if that's still the case. No, he's on the field

next to it. They're like here and then he's on the rehab. During practice? During practice with the fans out there like right next to him. I was there a couple days ago. It's like interesting. I mean, I watched him throw for like 30 minutes.

He's real throws. Not quite where he needs to be stamina-wise. But anyway, so let's say you're Jimmy G. Let's say you get to – I've been watching people on a Peloton. Sorry about that. Go ahead. Sorry.

So let's say you're Jimmy G. You get to cut down day. And everyone's like, oh, go to Seattle, go to Seattle. Doesn't it make sense for him to just wait and maybe someone on a contending team needs a quarter? I know we're talking about the Giants in Seattle. But what if something happens to, I'm not going to jinx the team, but one of the other teams that is in the playoff hunt? Doesn't it make sense to just chill and wait? Yeah, I think it would. And also, how long can he wait, though?

How long would he wait? I think he would wait a while because he's already made a lot of money. And, like, his salary this year, what's it going to be? $7 million, $8 million, like $6 million? You know, not big-time starter money. Get yourself in the right situation and then cash in next year. Yeah, we're very lucky to be chatting with Ian Rappaport,'s live at carolina panthers camp who was once on jimmy g watch we just learned jimmy g still raining by the way big old raindrops it looks like clear skies are moving in though

just like uh you know happy days but jimmy g fully cleared to participate uh he's practicing at the same time as the team just on a different field cut down days coming in a few weeks it will save him 20 million who wound up with jimmy days coming in a few weeks. It will save them $20 million. Who will end up with Jimmy G? That's a great question. Hour three will be on the other side of this six-minute break. Bang. Okay, Ty, your question for Ian Rappaport as we wrap this up?

Yeah, rap sheet. There's been kind of a lot of hype almost surrounding the Saints, and I think it was today that Jameis maybe got hurt in a drill or something like that. Yeah, tweaked his foot. Yeah, is that something they're worried about? Because they really are starting to get some steam here as maybe a team that's going to be a playoff team this year. They are starting to get some steam.

And, I mean, I was there when I talked to you guys last night. I was almost surprised. Like, they have a lot of talent. Like, I knew it, but to see it, like, I think they're going to be good. Sounds like he just rolled his ankle. Now, they're having some tests, so, like, it's a foot and you never know. But it does not, at this point, sound major. Anytime you're talking about a rolled ankle, that's much better than, like,

some sort of mysterious foot injury. But, like, you know, Jameis has dealt with his comeback. He's got the ACL in his knee that he's come back from. I think the other knee had a little bit of a tweak. Now an ankle, like, it's a lot of things. You just like him to be out there healthy and just regular. What are you hearing about OBJ and Von Miller and everybody, you know, Instagram comments saying how's the locker next to you look?

And then Von Miller just posted on his story, hey, OBJ, let's go do this thing. He's a free agent, so all of this is legal. Is Odell Beckham Jr. going up to Buffalo? We know another weapon isn't a bad thing, and they are a contender. Would that make sense, or do you think this is just a leverage play? I don't know that it's just a leverage play. I mean, Buffalo actually would make some sense. I mean, the Rams make the most sense.

But there's one thing I've learned over the last four years about the Bills. It's like I will never rule out anything with them. I remember hearing a rumor that Von Miller was considering the Bills, it's like, I will never rule out anything with them. I remember hearing a rumor that Von Miller was considering the Bills, and like, I didn't believe it, but then of course he signed there. Like, they are always in the mix. And they should be, because they're a good team who could add one

big final piece. Like, that would make some sense. Now, I don't know how real it is, but when Von starts doing some pitching, I think that gets everyone's attention. And OBJ start doing some responding. I can't wait to see how it pans. I mean, that makes sense.

It does. You know, him coming to the Colts would be cool, too. Yeah. Hey, Shaquille. Shaquille, let's get on Instagram. Shaquille Leonard, need you on Instagram. The Forest Buckner, go ahead and coach. Yannick Ngakwe is endearing himself to the Colts.

Go ahead and get on there. Let's get a weapon. Let's go ahead and win the Super Bowl. That's what everybody's trying to do. We can't thank you enough, Ian, for your time down there in rainy Carolina. Thank you guys for having me. I think the rain has almost stopped,

so Mike and I got one more TV hit, then we're going to go to Pittsburgh. You guys driving or flying up there? We're going to fly. So we got the hour trip to the airport, then we're going to get some food, and then we're going to land in Pittsburgh and then probably get more food, then we're going to go to practice. Nice, nice. to the airport. Then we're going to get some food. And then we're going to land in Pittsburgh. And then probably get more food.

Then we're going to go practice. Nice, nice. Go ahead and gain some ponds. You deserve it. Enjoy Pittsburgh. Make sure you salute old cuzzy in the airport. That's right. I will absolutely do that.

Thank you. Yeah, the Immaculate Reception. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapport. Thank you, buddy. We said 16 Emmys before. It's 17. Wow. 17 Emmys in his house, in his possession,

for stories that he has told in only a way that he can tell. Not only will he be covering the Field of Dreams game, and he's on the number one team for Fox NFL this upcoming Sunday with Burkhart and Greg Olson, he is also hosting an eight-part serialized podcast called Wesley, which sits at the intersection of sports and true crime, which is about the murder of Lyman Wesley Bostic Jr., who was an MLB player for the California Angels at the time

and got murdered in the middle of the season in 1978 in Gary, Indiana. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Larry Hall. Nonetheless, ladies and gentlemen, a man we

all respect, a man we're all thankful is in the sports community, Tom Rinaldi. What's up, Tom? Hey, Pat, it's great to be with you. Thank you very much. I just have to... Who knew that Edwin Diaz would compel you this way?

It is every game. It is Narco. It is, as a diehard, lifelong Mets fan, let's go. We can make some room for you on the bandwagon. I'm in. Let's go. I'm in. Michael, I'm in.

I hate the Yankees. Hell yeah. The Yankees are a bunch of sellouts. Amen. Yeah, they just buy everybody. You think, they were calling him Ed Luz, DS. Then he goes to the Mets. He gets the trumpets playing.

He gets Ed win, win, win, no matter what. This guy's 31-0. Wow. 31-0. He's unhittable. Heck of a year. He's going to win a Cy Young. That's my guy.

Hell yeah. Tom, does every team do this in baseball? Does every team have a sick entrance for their closer? Because that thing was rehearsed. I mean, the timing of him hitting the outfield immediately upon the beat drop, and then the arms up basically as a warm-up, how you doing, keep it moving, and then following his power. Hey, he had a power drop, too, out there.

And then the fans go, is that everybody in the league, or are the Mets the only people that are taking advantage of the situation that has been sitting there that was electrifying that I saw on the internet? I'm so impressed with the McAfee backbench crew pulling Trevor Hoffman hell's bells. Yeah, see? That's very strong. That was one of the first guys to make it really shine and stand out.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys that do it, but can you come in and throw 101 and strike out the side the way that Diaz is doing? You better live up to that kind of entrance for sure. Yeah, you can't get bombed on. Let's dive into it. Tom, when you made the move to Fox, I think everybody was surprised because the stories we had heard you telling on ESPN, it felt like you were able to do and tell whatever you want. Fox has really expanded that. You're doing baseball. You're doing doing NFL you're able to do whatever you want you have a podcast

going was this uh the decision and why you decided to go to Fox and this eight-part podcast sounds like it's going to be electrifying is it true crime is it investigative journalists and sports what is it here I think you said it right Pat it is an intersection of the two, right? Baseball has the longest history of any major sport in our country at 150 plus years at the pro level. And in that long history, a century and a half, there's only ever been one active player to be murdered during a season. And this didn't happen a hundred years ago. It happened in 1978. Of course, Pat, you know Indiana very, very well. So when you mentioned that it happened in Gary, you understand, right? That for such a long period of time, it was the murder capital of the United States. It's still a city which

is really violent. But the fact that this could happen and be largely forgotten, Pat, to a player with a career 311 batting average, the same average as Jackie Robinson, one of the highest paid players in the sport at the time, at the end of his fourth season, and hardly anybody remembers it is really astounding. Tom, why do you think that is? I know you always dive in and you such in-depth reporting, very emotional usually, but this is a story like you said that there's a current player a great player and he gets murdered why why have we not heard of this i think it's a couple of things aj to tell you the truth one is it's pre 24 7 news cycle it's a year before espn arrives on the scene there isn't the saturation of media

coverage and the proliferation of platforms that we have now. Two, a couple of things happened just in terms of the news that very week. The Pope died just a few days after Lyman Bostock was killed. A year later, Thurman Monson tragically dies in the plane crash. I think a series of things have really coalesced to obscure the legacy of this remarkable player and man off the field as well guys proliferation of platforms i'll tell you what you're good hey your brain is good have you always been like this tom were you the storyteller of the group are you an author by trade why do you think you have this ability to take people on rides so much i remember i remember crying and

laughing in numerous pieces that you pieced together and your voice was a part of. You're an incredible storyteller. Have you always been like this? And how did you fall into this field, I guess would be a great question. Pat, when we crossed paths the handful of times

we were together on game day, I remember one of the first times I saw you in person and I said this to you. So whatever you want to say about the proliferation of platforms or anybody's brain strength, we're all tying for third or fourth or fifth next to the Mac of the Empire.

Stop. I mean it. There's somebody who knew how to find the lane, which no one else had been in and build his own path. And that's a lot more impressive than someone who has to draft off others. Well, Tom, I appreciate that bullshit. Now let's get back to it. I do appreciate that.

How did you get into this? How did you become like the premier storyteller in sports? 17 Emmys is, I mean, that's hilarious to think about. That's more than what? Everybody. Is that more than everybody? I don't even know. Like, how did you get here?

Listen, so a lot of those obviously are being parts of, you know, television's collaborative, Pat. You know that from all the work that you do. So some of that is from game day. Some of that is from the features we've done. It's across a lot of different platforms. Nonetheless. 17 of them?

17, Tom? You're an X-Factor in there. Let's go ahead and take some credit at some point. Jeez. Well, listen, let's just take this story, for example, right? The story of Lyman Bostock and his murder. I had the chance to tell the story on ESPN 14 years ago, but there was so much more about his life

that we couldn't get into the television piece as well, Pat. And I'd love to get your take on this. When you get to the back end, now all eight episodes are available anywhere you get your podcast now to download. The later episodes revisit, selfishly, a moment of regret for me. I encountered the man that murdered Lyman in Gary 30 years after the killing. You can't make it up. He lived six blocks away on the same street from the intersection where he killed Lyman on a Saturday night in 1978. And when I encountered him, I botched it. I just didn't do the job that I should have done. And that's been a regret for

mine. And that's part of what drew me back toward wanting to tell this again, the lesser part, but still an important part. I wanted people to know more about Lyman and his life and his legacy, but also I wanted to make a reckoning with how I blew it with this guy, you know, 14 years ago. No spoilers. I don't want to give it away. Very, by the way, incredible of you. So you think that you could have helped this case? Obviously, is that what you're saying here by saying you encountered the guy? No, no. What I'm saying is the case gets adjudicated. It's many years afterward. But here, having told a story, having in some ways, ways pat be a proxy for the family having invested an

audience listeners or viewers then in the story and then having the chance probably for the only time of my life to have this short few minutes with this man i just didn't ask him any of the questions i should have now there are reasons that, which we explore in the podcast, but ultimately it was the only chance I ever had. And I just didn't do well with it at all. Tom, you sound like a human. What's that all about? 17 Emmys? What's that all about? The 17 sports Emmys, you sound like you're a human still. That's wild to think about, especially with the conversations I've had with people in television that have much less success than you do why is that were you in team sports growing up or you just kind of a uh you know a relaxed guy a humble guy all the time you stay out of that like what why do you think you've remained a human through this and why is that something that you've slept

you know has showed up in your pillow conversations with yourself about that one interview 30 some years ago you think i i think pat more than anything else i just have always loved stories and i think it's it's part of what draws us to sport of course we want to see what unfolds what happens in an unscripted forum when it's our guy not our guy our team not our team but what brings us to it and deepens it i think is people knowing pat mcafee's journeyens it, I think, is people knowing Pat McAfee's journey, people knowing A.J. Hawk's journey, people knowing some of those moments so that here's why, Pat, and this is part of the magic of sport, so that the individual who shares himself

with the world invites his journey to be collective. Why else would you care so much if you don't have ducats on the line or cash? Why would you care so much about whether Rory wins a tournament, whether in an individual sport, a guy knocks someone out or not? It's because the individual has become collective. And I think that happens through stories. And that's why I love telling him. Don't you think nowadays it's much better to learn about people than it was in the past because the networks had to pick and choose whose stories were told and how they were told with social media now what do you think that has done for what you just chatted about there i think it's

great for everybody but obviously there are some people that hate players and hate athletes that are out there exposing their lives look at how, Pat, every appearance that you've had with Aaron has been. Why? Is it because you're doing a deeper dive on analytics? Is it because you're talking more about his masterful read of the A and B gap? It's none of that. It's the humanity that comes across from one guy to another guy. That's why that's become must listen. And the fact that he connects with you, obviously, there's a history there. We know that. But the fact that he connects with you in that way, Pat, the humanity of that, that's what draws people toward that content.

I couldn't agree more. The more platforms, the more ways we can access these players, these teams, these coaches, the better. And I think people get to know their teams and their athletes and their coaches more because of it. Tom, I know back in the day, I believe, what, 2009, 2010, you were one of the first people or you were the first person to interview Tiger Woods after his whole debacle and car wreck and everything. What was it like? That had to be a little bit different for you. What's it like leading up to that interview and then also being there and realizing, okay, here we go.

What do I do? That's a lot of pressure to be the guy. You know what I mean? Like that interview. And did you chat before at all? Did you give any like pleasantries? Hey, how you doing? Like any of that?

Well, I felt it with Aaron. I think that's a bigger deal. Not just that Tiger. Like there's a lot of pressure that you have to tell that story and ask the right questions, I think all the time, right? A lot of people had told me guys that if you do the interview correctly, that he'll never speak to you again. And then he'll never speak to ESPN as an outlet again, if the him to this day. And prior to the interview, I did have a couple of moments with him aside, not to let him know any of the questions, but essentially just to pass on to him, hey, listen, it was a very short interview. We were

limited to five minutes, but we could ask anything we wanted. I just told them, listen, the questions are direct. Some of them are tough because what you're going through is tough. And whenever tomorrow comes for you, however you define success, you know, me and Diane and the kids, we want that for you. Tiger's been incredibly cordial and gracious with me guys from the beginning. I have no idea why he's a world-class world-class ball buster he's got a quick wit you'd love hanging with him um you probably already have pat you hang with the world but i just but i just he is just something that for whatever reason he's been really gracious and cordial with me over time and i'm grateful grateful for it, obviously. Yeah, hell of a golfer. He was offered over $700 million to go join Liv,

and he didn't do that. I mean, that's, I feel like everything we hear about Tiger will be like groundbreaking because he was very guarded. So your interview, I do remember, as you asked that question, I was thinking about it. Five minutes is not a lot of time. You make the most of it, though. You're fucking Palmer and all.

Hey, go ahead, Ty. Tom, with all the stuff you've done in your career and all the cool stories you've been able to tell, as an Iowan, I know how special the Field of Dreams is and everything. I know you have that game coming up. Where does that rank in what you've done in your career?

You know, a couple of the favorite stories or events I've had the chance to cover are Iowa-based, not to be pandering, just to be honest. One is Field of Dreams, which is later this week. The first time the game ended in an incredible walk-off. We had the chance to tell the story of Jeff Bannister, kind of like a modern-day Moonlight Graham, but also the Iowa Children's Hospital. And Pat, I don't think you had been with game day yet at that point where we told the story of how the patients would gather outside the window, the birth of the wave, its origin, what it meant not only to the fans, but obviously what it meant to the pediatric

patients who were overlooking Kinnick Stadium. And just one of the things that makes college football great. Again, that has nothing to do with what's happening on the field. It has to do with the stories that inform what happens on the field, which is what we love. Yeah, that's crazy to think about all the things that you have brought into our life. Like that wave story you just dropped in there.

Yeah, game day we got a chance to tell you about this thing that now has covered every single Iowa game, by the way. You're a legend in this game, Tom. I hope you get a chance to look in the mirror every once in a while and say, I've done pretty good to the sports community, and nobody hates me. Not even Tiger, who I love. An incredible spot.

Are you in Michigan right now, by the way? What's going on? I am. We're doing some interviews for Big Noon Kickoff for Fox. So we're trying to get ahead a little bit on the feature slate. The kids are amazing. They have amazing stories. We will be telling one of the stories of Junior Coulson, born in Haiti, about his adoption and his journey over to America, which is remarkable. But listen, before my time runs out, I have to say this. To be in Dallas, North Texas, if you will, and to go to my first WrestleMania and to see Pat McAfee leave his, what do you want to call it, the table set up there and then climb into the ring and flash the athleticism that you did in that display, I'm still kind of

shit. That's a story that needs to be told. Oh, well, if anybody's telling a story, it's going to be fucking Tom Rinaldi. That story will be told 10, 15 years from now. There's way too much me. And I know the time is running up. The Field of Dreams, you know, thing. And then, obviously, Big Noon kickoff.

And then NFL Sunday. What else can you do in this podcast? Are you working now more than ever? And are you just loving everything that you're getting to do? And what more can we expect out of Tom Rinaldi right now with Fox? Well, you can throw in there the World Cup. Oh! Hey, we're going to win that.

Tom, we're going to win that. You believe you're a believer. Oh, yeah, we're winning to win that. Tom, we're going to win that. You believe? You're a believer. Oh, yeah, we're winning the soccer Lombardi. Absolutely, we're bringing that home. We're the youngest team by far, average age 24. Oh, it's our game forever. Oh, go ahead, Tom.

What else? Other stats that make me feel good. Okay, we're 14th in the world right now. What do you think the highest we've ever been in the world has been? Just take a guess. 12th. Right. 4th. Tony Mule.

Wow, what? Is that with Tony Mule and Lexi Lawless and Kobe Jones in the boys' room? Look at you. Look at you. 2006. Yeah, so we'll be on the we'll be on the opposite sideline with the incomparable Aaron Andrews. We'll be with Burkhart and Olsen.

Every Sunday we'll be at Big Noon. We'll be doing that. We're doing Field of Dreams. It's been awesome. Listen, I love the time at ESPN, but Fox has been phenomenal. I had the opportunity to co-direct the all Madden doc, Pat,

which we love. The fact that Coach got to see it before he passed this eight-episode podcast, which people have really enjoyed, was number one at one point in all of sports podcasts. You've been a fixture there in the top ten and five and three. So it's just been a lot of

different projects that have really energized. It's been awesome. Well, we appreciate the hell out of your time here. I i i missed a beat there i thought you aaron andrews greg olson and kevin burkhardt were covering the world cup i thought that was happening but instead you were going into everything you're doing we can't wait to watch you this fall uh we can't wait to watch us win the soccer lombardi and thank you for everything we're going to listen to this podcast and see if we can maybe make the world a little bit better place like you have done. Thanks so much for having me, guys.

Appreciate you, Pat. Ladies and gentlemen, Tom Rinaldi. Yeah, Tommy! Hey, that's sports royalty there. Oh, yeah. Big time. That's sports royalty. He's a pro.

Yeah, I'd say. And everybody likes him. He's got good pipes. When he does voiceovers for his things, it's impactful. CFO Phil texted in the middle of that and said uh really feels like tom ronaldi needs to do the voiceover for the opening for the macfie cast oh how set the tone though i mean we're about to ruin everything that's professional right now yeah hey does macfie cash be a lot of fun aj yeah i mean think i think anything where we watch games together could be fun. Have you done any brainstorming or you're doing that cult event?

Have I done any what? Brainstorming? I'm always brainstorming. What do you mean? Yeah, me too. We're brainstorming. It's going to be good. Hell yeah.

B blocks, C blocks, everything. Well, it's first quarter, second quarter. Come on. Wake up, you clown. No need to call him a clown. I mean, he's been brainstorming. No, he's lying. He's, you clown. Blocked for it. No need to call him a clown. I mean, he's been brainstorming this. No, he has. He's lying.

He's full of shit. There was an article written in the New York Post about it. AJ, no big deal. New York Post doing the news. Yeah. No big deal, right? I mean, you tell me. And it was, I guess it was supposed to be about, it was behind a paywall, so there's no way

I'm going to read it. Oh, you got to check. What? There's no way I'm going to read it. New York Post has a paywall. I guess. I don't know. This particular one. Do a lot of people pay? Like here we go y'all pay 2.99 a month

for it well to be clear i respect the person asking me questions andrew marshall i do i just put my full quote out as a tweet right below the thing so you don't have to i saw that okay that's where it's from i saw that yeah that was my answer to his question because it was an email thing and i got respect from marshall by the way he does a lot of great work around the media coverage and everything like that so when he reached out to me to ask me a couple questions i normally never answer ever to anybody because i have you know zero faith in most reporters that they're going to say whatever they want to say anyways no matter what i have to say i mean i talked to a guy for like an hour and 10 minutes and then he wrote four lines and it was the most basic lines of all time. And that was probably the last time that I'll ever spend any time with any reporter.

But, yeah, the whole thing was basically about Peyton Manning putting this together and having closing power for people making deals with Omaha. So, like, he basically asked me, you know, if I was still in conversations with anybody else, and also, yeah yeah you still talking to Amazon for Thursday night football I know ESPN wanted you for game day I've heard it was unlikely for a while but wanting to see how interested you were how much did Peyton have to do with closing the deal so everybody just assumed that I was talking to Amazon it was about Thursday night football I'm not 100% sure if that's what we were talking about by the way for so just to put maybe

that particular narrative to bet i was never really approached for anything for thursday night football no that was never anything but this was my answer aj i have massive respect for the folks at espn and amazon true everybody that i negotiated with uh i have massive respect for and i think they're just trying to do what they got to do in the ways that they know how to do it i I've had great conversations with both companies. We just weren't able to get to a point where the ask in the business were where it needed to be to get a deal done on both fronts, AJ. My daily show is my number one focus. We have a really cool group of fans and sponsors.

So anything that would take energy and time away from that has to make sense. I think that all makes sense. Yep. Definitely. Energy, time, anything away from this show, this operation, this crew, we got families being built. We got houses being bought. We got 12 employees here. We got a lot going on. So this is my number one focus and it should remain as such because, you know, I have a brain and also I care a lot about this operation. I love it actually. We have a really cool group.

I'm very proud of what AJ Hawk, guys, and I have been able to accomplish with the help of so many folks that have come on our show and made us better. So obviously the guests make this show much better, but I'm very proud of you guys. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you, A.J. You hear me? That's a great answer. I wouldn't necessarily rule out a potential future deal with Amazon

or with ESPN for game day or any of the other networks I've conversated with. Ooh. Peyton played a huge role in this whole thing i have gotten to the point where i pretty much know exactly how the conversations with sports media execs are going to go kind of got a little petty here but it's real they're going to know that i have a following but have no idea why they normally talk to me like i'm some dumbass which i am for sure but i receive little to no respect from the current class of decision makers at most sports networks. So when I was approached with the idea from the fine folks at Omaha

and told that I'd be dealing directly with Omaha and also we'd have all the power to create it however we want it to be, I couldn't help. Paywall. Next. Next. But feel incredibly honored

that a man like Peyton, who knows me really well one of my brain and my people on his platform the mannings have always treated me incredibly well and this is another example of that we're going to try our best to make some legendary content for them as a thank you oh yeah so the headline though at some point said legendary content you know like in this whole thing like more on the amazon conversation and like i understand they got a job to do as well i just wanted everybody to know like we have had conversations with espn about college game day i don't think those are over necessarily forever but at the moment whatever was offered was not

i couldn't do it it would make no no sense business personal anything to do it although i love the people over there and I respect the thought that they even, and appreciate the thought that they even asked me. Amazon was a conversation, not with the Thursday Night Football people. There's other network conversations that are currently happening and have happened. So not ruling out any of those deals,

but getting to work with Omaha and them saying like, hey, however you want this to do, let's do it. It's so fucking awesome. And I'm so appreciative of it, AJ Hawk. That's what I thought your answer was cool. You gave, it's basically given a lot of credit to Peyton and Eli and what they've built at Omaha Productions too. Like hey, these

guys have a lot of power and I think it's pretty cool man. Like how it all came together and the fact that you put that out there, that's good because a lot of people probably said the same thing. Was that, that was past the paywall your answer was? Yeah, I just put it right underneath. So I'm saying unless we read your tweet, we would have to pay to see that.

Yes, exactly. And the only people that really want to pay to see that are our fans. So I don't need our people to feel obligated to go, yeah, right. Get it rated. I don't want our people to feel obligated to pay the post, unless you want to. And they can do great work over there. I just thought, like, I very rarely talk about any of the business stuff we got going on. Very rarely on the show, because who gives a fuck?

But if there's going to be an article and they're telling people you got to pay to hear it i might as well let everybody know exactly how i feel and exactly how it's going we're very thankful and excited for the macfee cast we have no idea how it's going to go that'll get figured out i assume in a similar fashion as we figure out everything which is very in-depth and diligent planning and everything like that but we have had conversations other places just hasn't worked out yet but not saying it won't happen in the future. Or being able to see what they've already done with the Manning cast this past year is also kind of sweet, too, because you understand what the layout kind of is.

I think my favorite thing about it all is, and this is going to go probably against me as a human, that line about getting little to no respect from TV execs is so real. like that line about getting little to no respect from TV execs is so real. Like I'll get approached with something and then I'll give like a, like, ah, I don't know if that really works for me, but maybe if we do this, okay,

we'll think about it. And then the next conversation, like what I said is not even, you know what I mean? Like, Hey, it's not, they're not listening.

Yeah. It's not even like, it's not even listening. I think my favorite part, and this is going to sound so hilarious, narcissistic, but it's real. Like my favorite part is that as soon as they came to me, they're like, it's not even listening. I think my favorite part, and this is going to sound so hilarious, narcissistic, but it's real. Like my favorite part is that as soon as they came to me, they're like, Hey, listen, we

want you to do whatever the fuck you want to do with this. However you feel. We have respect and appreciation of what you'll come up with. We just kind of want to help out. And that's why I'm so thankful, you know, for Peyton doing it. Like Peyton, you know, is I think pretty hands on over there. I'm pretty sure pretty hands on over there. They got a lot of people, a good team.

But, like, the conversation they had to have to present it to me was like, we should just tell them whatever the fuck he wants to do, right? It's like, yes. I'm like, thank you. Thank you for that. That never happens. Now, I like working with people that are intelligent. I like learn.

I am somebody who listens to other people's ideas. I am okay with whatever the best answer is. Let's go with that and make it as good as possible. I like the collaborative effort, but if you're just going to talk to me like I'm an idiot and my thing is like there's zero chance we're going to work together. I ain't about it. That's the current class almost.

It feels like in most networks, not all. Whenever they get kind of knocked out, I think that'll be good news for the future. Yeah, well, we all appreciate it because obviously if you weren't giving them that answer and you said like yeah sounds good like we'd be the first piece getting cut you know all of us those dipshits aren't going to be on with you so hey you guys are on we're on oh yeah now i don't know how we're going to be on but we're

going to be on and i thank you marshawn andrew marshawn for you know interest and talking about our life my life our decisions I appreciate it and I um you know I look forward to the future AJ but this is number one focus and if I'm talking to somebody and it appears if they don't know about the show or care about the show it's like all right well this thing's over I don't care how whatever well we think you'll travel you know Tuesday then you get back Thursday or whatever. Yeah. Okay.

It's like, you know, how pissed do you get right away? So, so mad, so mad, so mad, so,

so mad. I'm like, you're this motherfucker. Like I know the show stinks, but we're beating your network shit every day. Every day. I'm beating your network shit. And you're talking to me like that.

Like that is, I get very, I get, I get it. I get upset. I get offended. I get like genuinely offended. And then I don't necessarily know how to handle all those conversations in the diplomatic way that I assume other people do.

But I'm just like, all right, we'll talk next year. I will talk next year, dude. I'll see you later. And then they have, I appreciate everybody's interest, but also there's a lot of dipshits out there. appreciate everybody's interest but also there's a lot of dipshits out there and the more you see behind the curtain at more professions everybody else should be inspired right now that you can run a big operation because once you start meeting and seeing the things that are going on you're like oh these people are fucking dumb and that's basically a lot of places so keep going you know there's a steve jobs quote about as you're grown up you're told like what life is and you're

basically just supposed to live within the confined box and do this. Don't get a job, go to school, get a job, make a family. You're supposed to live in like these kind of borders or whatever, you know? And then he said, life changes drastically once you realize that the people that built this world around you are no smarter than you are. Because I think, especially with where I'm from and where probably a lot of people that listen to this are from, you just assume like these super geniuses are the ones that have done everything.

You have a lot of trust and faith in people that are in positions of power. Oh, they wouldn't get that job if they weren't blah, blah, blah. That's not the case. There are idiots fucking everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere.

In every single profession, everywhere on the planet, really. At the highest level. The highest level. So feel very inspired that you can go on and do some stuff. profession everywhere in the on the planet really at the highest level the highest level so feel very inspired that you can go on and do some stuff that's how i reacted as it started happening but my initial reaction was so you this fucking this a lot of that from me and then you i turned it into inspiration like all right well if that doofus has done that boom boom boom i'll be able

to go and that has been you know our entire journey here into the digital media space not everybody not every executive but most are the dumbest and they're ruining a genre of television and they don't even know it and they're trying to tell me what to do okay that is not the case that is not how this is going to go especially when you have a show that it's like hey i got the blueprint print right here like it has worked pretty well i actually do know i do know what i'm doing well i don't but also i know you don't i know you don't so there's been a couple oh these are awesome i'm happy we're diving into this there's been a couple people that i've like said something in a call and then there was obviously a counter because they didn't think of the idea so they don't like it they have to sit on it we'll circle back to this thing and then the next conversation by the way

you know they're not about it. I pull up, you know, like five, six shows that they thought of that they created and just do like. So whenever you were piecing together, you know, this zero people watching show and then this, you know, that's when I get real. I get real. How do they respond to that? Oh, there's always. Well, we thought we thought, which is that there's always a pivot of some sort i'm like yeah all right well pay attention if they were like don't you think if they just paid attention had some awareness they'd be fine even if they

present anything to you but hey yeah i don't know i guess if they understood at all if they just watched four minutes of this show they would understand how to approach you well i mean i don't know if that's the case they get another right it now though, right? Because they're just telling people how to do the McAfee thing. Well, that's why I get so pissed off whenever I hear this. Because I'm, you know, like, Kyle Brandt's like,

every meeting I go to, they say, you're going to be like Pat McAfee. It's like, every meeting you go to are executives that basically told me to fuck off whenever I stop. So like, I am, that was a little, love Kyle Brandt, fucking do it. I actually legitimately love Kyleyle brant similar personalities

you know in the fact that he's having success i'm very very happy for but whenever he said that i'm like oh that's interesting because every call i have with him they're like don't be pat mcveigh that's interesting let's um i'm very lucky though to be with the team that i'm with um i very much understand and none of it happens without all you motherfuckers. The people that watch this show and listen to this show, you are the greatest humans of all time. We ain't never leaving. We ain't never leaving. We ain't never changing.

This is fun, man. Honestly, I know we mess around. I love it. I have a great time on here. You should know that. Hey, I have a good time too, man. We have a good time that you're on. You make us have a good time, AJ. Ain't that right? People, you think a good time too, man. And we have a good time that you're on. You make us have a good time, AJ. Oh, yeah. Ain't that right?

I'm just saying, people, you think sometimes with how my delivery is, sometimes you think I may not enjoy it or whatever, but no, I have a great time. 37,000 people watching. What are you doing? We're going to go to a break so that you guys can go find something else to do. But, yeah, that's just a little update on where we are. Exciting times. It is. There's other networks also in the conversation. But yeah, that's just a little update on where we are. Exciting times.

It is. There's other networks also in the conversation. Well, you also, too, have always from the get-go said, like, hey, this show will stay free. It's not like anything like that will ever change. Yes, true. There's no reason anybody should pay to watch this. No, exactly. No paywalls. You know what I mean?

Jeez, a lot of very real conversations today. It's because, you know, football's about to be full speed ahead. God damn right. Starting on Thursday. We got a whole thing to do. We got like three games on Thursday. Not just one. It's going to be regionally shown, too. Thursday, Friday? When are they playing?

Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. What? I thought there was two games. I think there's two on Thursday. I could be wrong, though. I don't know. Well, you're the one that told us. I said there's like three games on Thursday. Two is like three, but three is a serial killer. Two is not. So two is not that like three.

Two on Thursday, five on Friday, a bunch on Saturday. There's three more on. There's five total by the time you reach like 8 o'clock on Friday. Boom. Knew it. This show sucks. You hear me? So does does direct tv still have it for this season sound like it i'm seeing a lot of uh ads on the internet that direct tv still has sunday tickets so this entire year i guess the negotiation between whichever digital platform is going to get it the following year just take place two and a half

billion a year for that holy shit just for that that's one entity that's a man that's a big deal too for one of these like digital platforms to get it because obviously that drives a lot of traffic all the nfl games i mean what fox actually said we're going all in on the nfl and that's kind of how the network was created we watched that in the madden doc that tom rinaldi was part of shanks and them are still there today went all in on madden and went all in on the NFL. And that's pretty much what built Fox. If I do recall, if I'm remembering Tom Rinaldi's story well enough.

Well, is there still a chance that the NFL just says like, yeah, we could take one of these bids. But there's also if we put them all in NFL Plus, like this would be the biggest app. That would be their leverage against. Okay, to drive up the. Not only drive up the price, but also we can do this ourselves. Yeah. So there is. The NFL has all the leverage.

We're the only ones that kill ratings. Everybody else is going down. We're either staying the same or going up on every single game, including a preseason game that had 5.7 million viewers or something like that. 5.7. That whole thing. The NFL needs to find a way to just continue to grow. You would imagine at some point it's got to regress, right?

But not if they continue to expand where they're playing and where the audience is. They continue to go. Well, it's only going to continue to go because the game is so goddamn good. I mean, they had, what, 500,000 people in Germany waiting to get tickets the first day they announced them? $30,000 tickets. It's because the games mean something.

I mean, that's why. There's 17 regular season games. They all mean a lot. Like, that's why. And the sport is good to watch. It's fun to watch people run into each other. You're right. Everybody kind of has.

And people have been doing that. We always say, people have been watching this type of stuff literally since the beginning of time. The Gladiator days, people used to go down and watch people fight and try not to die. Football is basically that without the death factor in there, so you don't even have the guilt of watching somebody die. Now, granted, down the road they might with how the old rules were, but there's high-speed contact.

There's a lot of community, too. Our city versus that city is naturally built in. And the way the game has evolved, it's become much more electrifying as the years go on. More points. Now that sports gambling is becoming legalized everywhere, I mean, it's only gonna... Youifying as the years go on more points now that sports gambling is becoming legalized everywhere i mean it's only gonna you know what i mean skyrocket it's gonna that's gonna yeah you're right it's and there's more and more superstars that come in from day

one that seem like they can step into a lineup and make plays and the nfl plus idea is just brilliant it's like we'll just keep it all to ourselves what exactly is that i think it's what 10 bucks a month how much is it a month is it only on a tablet or phone though? Yes. Yeah, it's the regular one and then the premium one. Yeah, but every smart TV too, I assume. Yeah, you'd think. Yeah, smart TVs, tablets, phones. Probably. I don't know. I know you

can watch out-of-market preseason games. So like, I'm a Steelers fan. I live in Indianapolis. I can watch all the Steelers preseason games. Can't wait for that. All 22's on there too. I will watch all of them. Sound effects. And then regular season, you can listen to all of them. So I don't know.

Oh, so you won't be able to watch them on there? No, no, no. As of right now. Yeah, you can watch live in-market. So say you're in Indianapolis and you're on your phone, you can watch Colts games. If I'm from Indianapolis and I'm out of town, can I watch Colts on my phone?

I think it's wherever you're at. Yeah, I don't think so. I think that that's where you have to watch the games that are on tv in that location yeah so the nfl is just only going to build up this nfl plus for leverage it sounds like that's what it feels like i might be wrong it sounds like there's social media accounts all going into one app yeah i guess would they can the nfl technically do that where they're like hey no we're not we're not going to have a direct tv we're going to do it all now yeah their contract's up so it's not yeah but like does hey, no, we're not going to have DirecTV. We're going to do it all now. Yeah, their contract's up. So it's not –

Yeah, but does the PA have anything against them? Like, no, you have to go with the highest bidder? No, because then that would – yeah, you're right. I guess because the transparency would have to be there for NFL Plus, how much money is being made off the subscriptions from each individual user as opposed to the overall amount being negotiated. Interesting. Interesting.

And also GMs and salary cap folks would want to wonder Hey how's that subscription service going? Are we in a good spot? What's the salary cap going to be at this year? Because we don't exactly know what the deal is With our broadcasting partner Yeah but Apple or somebody is going to come there For sure They just shit out money

Why wouldn't Bezos From the top of his rocket ship Up in the zero gravity era Just literally take his pants down, take a shit and wipe his ass with $3 billion and then throw it at the NFL and say, I got Sunday ticket on Amazon. Well,

it hasn't that been basically like, I mean, it's kind of been tongue in cheek and they haven't confirmed it, but that's like what the Thursday night football thing is, right? It's like, Hey, we're going to get a little taste.

And then after that, we're probably going to fucking throw a lot more money. Prove that we can do it. Well, it's somebody that is, that has been around the NFL and Connor, hold on one second. I'll get to you.

I know you have something great to hear. And I can't, I can't wait to say there's like an old adage around the NFL business side that basically says nobody gets in a business with the NFL and then once out of it, right. They feel that good about their property, about their ratings,

about their influence, about everything. Now, I don't know if that's true for every company. This person worked for the NFL and told me that. So, you know, take it as you. What happened? DirecTV just can't.

They're not good enough or what? Can't keep up. Can't keep up. There's no way. They say they lose. Because satellites are old school now. Like the dish, there's too many problems with the dish. Satellite.

18 years ago today. Don't forget about it. But, Connor, what were you going to say? Well, now don't all the networks. There's no games that are locked in after this year. AFC or NFC. Yeah, every single game is up. So, like, Amazon could theoretically put a lot of those games not just on Thursday night.

They could also put them on during the weekend. I wonder if Amazon is a part of that. Because I thought that was CBS, Fox, NBC. NBC can flex for Sunday Night Football after a week. What? What week is that? 10? Something like that. Week 10 or whatever. They can flex on Sunday Night Football after week what? What week is that, 10? Something like that.

Week 10 or whatever, they can flex on Sunday Night Football. And then Fox and CBS allegedly will be able to bid on each game each week, not just Fox, NFC, CBS, AFC, which is insane. So much money. NBC weeks 11 to 18 can be flexed. Pretty good. I mean, nuance, you know what I mean? Can Monday make football?

Was that a new thing too? Actually, 11 to 18, additionally in weeks five to 10, flexible scheduling may be used in no more than two weeks.

So, yeah, everything's able to be bought now. The NFL's like, yeah, we're signing contracts, but also,

and we can take a little bit more and we're going to kind of tip here, you know what I mean? Tip the corner. And this is all because Tom Brady went to the NFC. And it

might be because the AFC is so loaded and the NFC only has like four top dogs. So Fox goes, what's the deal with the way the teams are shaping up? We would like to be able to maybe get an AFC game on a regular basis. And the NFL said, you know what? You're right. How about this? You guys each week can fucking bid on games.

Good luck. Salary cap is what? Just in flux all year? Like, hey, here's where the bottom is this. But if two teams get hot and they have a chance to run into each other week 12, week 13, there's a chance the salary cap bumps up another $100 million or so. That's wild to think how they will handle it all. But nonetheless,

it is a money train directly in to the NFL station every single year for the foreseeable future. Brady posted it right after the CBA because you guys were talking about money being reported so that the NFL PM players know, but didn't they sign the NFL PA? And then the next day the deal got announced, and then that's when Brady posted on his Instagram story,

like, NFL players are ignorant. We all need to wake up and realize what the hell is happening before we sign this shit. I don't remember the exacts on how or why, but what he said wasn't just about all NFL players, but most deals that the NFLPA makes. Don't you think, AJ? I mean, a lot of those deals, incredibly short-sighted. They've done a lot for the game. They've done a lot for the players.

I understand and I respect and appreciate that. Now, it's 2022. It's the biggest league on earth. How much shit would they be able to get away with with not providing players that the NFLPA negotiated? I mean, I guess that's also short-sighted for me to think about as opposed to what had happened in the past when guys had other jobs and no health care and everything,

which is still an ongoing problem. But I don't think the NFLPA has made necessarily the greatest business decisions but they have no leverage you're going against literally 30 billionaires lawyers who are just gonna you know they can do it every single day if they want so it's not just a salary cap pal it's fucking every decision is made over there there was a i'm not even getting into it what do you remember the deferral of two years for player performance bonuses? Oh, yeah. War chests. Yeah.

And the guys that need those player performances, by the way, are getting player performances because their contracts are shit. And then you're pushing their money off for two years. That'll help. Yeah, okay. You're fucking over the guys. Yeah, I hope to be in the league in two years, bud. Yeah, exactly.

That decision was made. And as soon as I heard it, I go, I'm not signing up for the NFLPA anymore. Those people would not speak for the decisions that I would make if I was a business person. But also, I didn't go on and be a rep I heard it, I go, I'm not signing up for the NFLPA anymore. Those people would not speak for the decisions that I would make if I was a business person. But also, I didn't go on and be a rep and make it better, so I'm kind of a fucking hypocrite. I get it. I get it.

Who has enough time in a goddamn day? Tom Rinaldi. Dude. Guy's doing everything. Madden Doc. Number one NFL team. Big noon kickoff with your brother-in-law, right? Brady and Urban Meyer on that?

I don't know about Urban, but Brady is. We should have asked him. We should have. We should have, yeah. As soon as he said big noon kickoff, I thought it was just signs. Uh-huh.

Mm-hmm. You should have asked him. You definitely should have asked him about that. But I didn't. Tom Rinaldi doesn't deserve that. No, right. Tom Rinaldi doesn't deserve that. Those signs popping through a sign

and then moving back and forth like a windshield wiper and then coming back down. College kids got time. Just putting it out there, putting the template out there. What's that? Coming in from the side of the sign and then maybe as Urban Meyer's talking, he put it up on a thing so it's right next to his face almost.

You know what I mean? A little slit in the paper so you can actually have the figures go in and come out. Right next to his face if you hold it up at the proper angle. What's the angle? Right here. Engineering majors putting stuff together for weeks before they come to town. There's no way they're taking that show on the road and expecting Urban Meyer to be there. Every week it's on the road, I think.

Sounds like you know. Maybe pre-take segments from like a sound stage for Urban send it back to Urban in the studio yeah exactly Urban Meyer in the studio

breaking down the film right has the whistle around with the suit and he goes that's what I think guys send it back to you and they get back

and there's like two signs it goes where's Urban and his finger gun he's back in the studio maybe that is the move while they're on air

he's got his obviously his headphones in so he can't hear anything from the crowd. And then once they go to break, like Drew Brees' baby was wearing, they put the big earmuffs on him during break, so he can't hear the crowd at all. I think what we're talking about is the visuals.

Yeah, you put a blindfold on him, too? Yeah, he's always got his blinders on. Urban? He doesn't. That's the problem. Urban has never had blinders on in his life. No, from criticism. He's been like this the entire time.

Right. Oh, I can stay home with grandbabies. Yeah, I'm off line. We're the co-heads in hockey. No, for criticism, he has always had his blinders on. Well, I think a lot of networks had their blinders on for the criticism of Urban Meyer for a long time. It does sound...

All right. Let's get to some phone calls here, more phone calls. There could be a sign of him kicking Lambeau too. What's that? Urban. Josh Lambeau. Yeah. He's suing him.

I don't know how I feel about that. Is that ongoing still? I don't know. I don't know. What's he want? Is he trying to get his full year's salary? I mean, it didn't make kick after a guy bruised his hamstring. They had some struggles kicking this year too with the Jags, didn't they?

Well, and in camp, somebody hit a coach in the head early. That guy is probably not making the team. You've got to be aware. First day of training camp, you're a rookie kicker. It's going to be tough to just hit a coach in the head and then the back of an offensive line and continue to have a job, but he'll get back

out there. He'll get better. He'll kind of go through it all. What happened to that kid that had the game winner in London against the Dolphins? Bryant? I don't remember. Matt Bryant? No, it was the guy who was on the team. Matt Bryant, Falcons guy?

I don't know, man. For 30 years? I forget. The kicker thing is so interesting because if you don't get hot, you get hot, you're on a team, you get cold, you're gone. It doesn't matter. If you're older, they'll give you a couple more weeks of being cold. But if you're young and you're like brand new to a team and you're hot everybody loves you one two weeks two

you do two bad weeks in a row fucking see you later back into the workouts you'll go to some other team that had to kick or do the same exact thing for them and then you're on that as long as you're hot we're keeping you around and then if you get cold for a couple weeks well sorry about it back in there and there's just you just hope you catch on you get cold for a couple weeks, well, sorry about it, back in there. And you just hope you catch on and get hot for like a year or two, get a contract and move on. That's why I always get so happy for guys that get paid. Well, that was Hopkins at football team last year,

and then he went to the Chargers and like crushed it for them. Yes, Hopkins is with the Washington football team. I think he was also with the original name. Yeah. He was with them for a long time. So he got hot for a long time, had a big leg. Then he had a couple downs, but he'd been around for a little bit, so it bought him a little extra time. And then they get rid of him.

Then he goes to Chargers, and Chargers is like, thank God we got a kicker now. And you get welcomed like a hero in your new city. You make a kick after. It doesn't matter what you did beforehand. It does not matter what you did before. Now, going back to that city might be tough. But at your new home, if they had a bad kicker beforehand, which is why you're probably there,

and you make a big one, you are loved. That next week, though, you miss a big one. Guess what? We're looking for you from last week, whoever the fuck that is, with another workout. It is a never-ending carousel like this. Think about it. You could be the hero one week.

Then next week, you miss a couple kicks, and they're probably going to ask that kicker, hey, come in. I need you to hold for our Tuesday. We have some Tuesday workouts coming in. We're getting six kickers in here to try to replace you. They're going to make the current guy hold for us. Yeah, hey, why don't you just go ahead and watch what we're thinking about doing? You see all these guys kick basically the same ball

as you. The only difference is you missed kicks last week. For us, these guys did not. So something to think about as you walk on that field next week. Missed kick, you're gone. That's kind of the business. But you get paid very well to do so. And that's why whenever you see guys last a long time like this son of a bitch,

Adam Venezaria on two different teams, and Tucker, and Boswell, and Pittsburgh, especially after the year he had. He had a bad year. I thought he was going to go south. He got over that somehow. He's got a job. I think he built up a little bit of leeway those first two years or whatever that allowed him to have that one, and then he's been back ever since.

I'm very thankful that I did not get drafted to be a kicker in the NFL, by the way. I think I would never want – yeah, I say it all the time. I would never want my kid being a kicker. Like punter, you're four shanks away from being cut. Four consecutive shanks away from being cut at any time. You shouldn't have four. As a professional, you shouldn't have four in a row, though.

Agreed, which is why you're four shanks away from being cut at any time. You know, like, because everybody watching goes, all right, our fucking guy can't hit a ball. We need to get somebody else in here. Bring in one of those big-ass Aussies. Bring in a couple of these guys. Let's see who can do it and see who can last. But that whole kicker thing where everybody knows it's a shank publicly,

like punting, there's a lot of guys that have gotten away with big punts and celebrated that have been mishits that rolled a long, long way. And then there's some guys that hit the ball to the wrong side of the field, which becomes a touchdown, but it was hit far, and nobody knows, like, oh, that's definitely the fucking punter's fault there. So it's a little bit more anonymity on blame in the punt game. Kickers, they know. Boom.

You didn't do it. You did not do your job right. We will boo you the fuck out of this time. I forgot. So Boz had three good years, 90s, and then it was 65. Yeah. Three years is a lot of built-up trust. 93, 95, 95 cents.

Tomlin had to be very, very, hey, we're trying, boss. We are fucking trying. You are making our job very difficult to keep you. We like you as a person. We enjoy your personality. You were great for us for three years, but God damn, make a kick is what Tomlin is saying to boss literally every single day. Well, and I think it was you who used to joke about it.

I bet Tomlin in practice is like, hey, you know, love you, but, like, I'll fucking call Jay Anikowski tomorrow if you don't get it together. Boswell told me that whenever we were boozing one night in Pittsburgh. It was great to see him.

He was dressed very good, too. You remember, he had good swag. His aura was good. It was the offseason. We just so happened to be at the same bar he was at, which just so happened to be the same bar that Todd Haley broke his hip at getting in a fight a couple months before that

but we were having a beer or whatever and i'm like what's tomlin like it's the first time i ever really got to chat with him he's like man i'll miss a kick and uh tom will come out to me and be like hey i love you boss but fucking janikowski is probably cheaper and available just like talking shit to him you know and i think it's Tomlin's relationship with Boz is like that. But that's a reality, too. And Tomlin speaks in realities. He has a lot of respect for Lightning. So they moved practice today.

And that's a big deal because it was Friday Night Lights where they go to La Trobe, the local high school stadium. And it's a big deal every single year. And they moved that practice on Friday night. They're doing it tonight, though. They moved it because they respect Lightning. We have respect for Lightning around here.

That's probably a good thing to have. I heard stories about players that have old ass coaches and they just act like they see Lightning off in the distance at the same time and the coach just goes, where? And then everybody has a countdown like, hey, when the period clock hits a minute 37 left,

like everybody's looking right, you know? Guys have gotten out of practice. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, oh, oh. And then everybody just like slowly starts jogging off the field. And everybody's like, yeah. And by the time everybody has corralled that there was no lightning,

it's already, we're too far gone. Let's get into the meetings now. Let's get out of here. Genius. It is it is gene it's beautiful lightning is the thing that ends everything right every sport there's sports that go through rain there's sports are like oh we don't need perfect pristine conditions whatever lightning is the ultimate equalizer everybody gets off the fucking field as soon as lightning comes and do we have any idea who controls how controls of where lightning's going ever i know like three people died last week outside of the White House because they got struck by lightning.

Really? Yeah. Three people? Three? Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. In the last 10 years? We got to get lightning under control.

No, last week's hidden. Are we not at the time where we can get fucking lightning under control? Are you scared of lightning? Do you feel like, hey, I might get struck? I had a teammate, rest in peace, in college. He got struck twice. He didn't die from getting struck by lightning, but his skin was definitely burnt.

It was different. Two separate occasions? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's people who get struck by lightning. They have legitimate scars from their neck or head all the way down to their feet. 300 people a year get struck by lightning, I was just told, by Zito on Planet Earth.

Oh, that was in the United States. That's not on Planet Earth. It's just in the United States. I don't know how lightning is everywhere else. That is the only rule we know. Oh, yeah. Mouth guards protect from concussions. That was a lie.

Turns out that was a lie. And then the second rule is if lightning is around, get off the field. Every sport knows that. Do we have too much respect? Yeah, I do. We should take a couple years of that. We should do a couple years where we don't delay games for lightning. Like my daughter's soccer game yesterday, 30-minute delay because of lightning.

We had to wait 30 minutes, all that whole deal. What if we just played and said, all right, let's see what the numbers look like after two years? Well, numbers are a fickle thing, Adrian. You know, because if your daughter gets struck, you going to be happy about it? No. No, not at all. So is there a number to quantify that moment? That's a good question.

Thank you for coming back to me like that. I still think if you presented her the opportunity, she would love to play the game. Well, sometimes the dog's got to take over the conversation. Yeah. I work for a park. There's no adults. You know that. And the lawsuit is massive.

For the park? Yes. So that's interesting because they didn't get the person out of lightning's way? Yeah, because we had sensors, but the sensor didn't work. Golf course is the same thing. If I get struck by lightning on Nick's course while Bruce is beating Nick at golf. If they don't do the siren, guys. Yeah, horn.

Wow. You're holding the siren, guys. Yeah, you got to wait. Yeah, horn. Wow. You guys didn't have a person. You're holding a metal stick, too. You guys practices who was responsible for, like, the radar. Yes. Yeah, I was the trainer. The training staff always had it. But lightning would be so far away, and it's like, how do we know? Everybody go in.

It's like, I just got warm. Just got warm. I'd like to be able to, it's not raining right now. Like, there's times where lightning comes, there's no rain. It's like, ah, Lee, we're going to get this working. But then there's times where fake lightning exists, and it's like, let's get off this fucking field. Get out of here, quick. That's the thing about lightning.

You just don't know. We don't know, right? 2022, we know nothing about lightning. You've got to respect it, though. I mean, I can't believe three people got struck yesterday and the same day and all died. No, it wasn't. It was last week. How did we not hear?

We did not cover three people getting struck by lightning outside of the White House last week? They were huddled underneath a tree outside of the White House. I mean those people. What are we doing? It was an elderly couple. They died. And then some 30-year-old died yesterday. Don't go under the trees.

Rule number one, stay away from trees. Rule number two, get in your goddamn car. And rule number three, put your ass in the air. I thought it had to be as low as possible. Don't be anywhere near the highest thing in the area. Trees are getting your car. The rubber tires. So are they touching the tree?

You know, just being around it because if lightning hits the tree, the lightning goes through the ground. Yeah, boom, bingo. So this was like just kind of catching an electric fence through the feet? Is that what it was like? And they died? Jeez. I mean, was that the actual... Yes. Holy shit.

It's a sturdy piece of lightning. No one wants to play through that. Now, isn't lightning come from Earth, right, they say? Yeah. That is a sturdy piece. It's from what they say is it's from particles in the clouds and the Earth colliding, which create electronic discharge. Can we not put a dome? The cloud's down.

Yeah. Can we not put a dome of these particles so we don't have lightning? Lightning brings nothing good, right? Yeah, hearing that it comes from Earth. I don't know. Nothing good comes from lightning, right? No, forest fire. Can they harness it?

Like Thor? Like harness that power for something? Do people make glass from it? From lightning? To hit sand. To hit sand, yeah. Yeah, true. Good one, Zeke.

We need more lightning rods. I'd buy one of those pieces. I just feel like we have archaic views on lightning, and it affects every sport. And I did not expect this show to go this way, but I'm happy we got here. Sometimes you have to. Can somebody take a look at how we can wrangle lightning?

No kidding. Ben Franklin. Can we please? Ben Franklin. Ben's like, I... And can we get it away from, well, that's becoming a target. I don't know about wrangling. I think he did it to try to bring back the bunch of people he had in his basement dead to life.

You're talking about the skeletons? Ben Franklin. Cadavers. Or it was trying to zap the syphilis out of his penis. Massive chance. Probably quite a bit of pain. Well, don't they have those things at museums where you can like put your hands on it the gloves Like balls. Yeah, yeah

Installed lightning Roger. Yeah, it was the best in time. What do you just lay down the field and stick his dong up in the air? Let that puppy take off into the wind. Yep. Yeah. Like poopies. Almost. Yeah, exactly. All right.

All right. Like ponies. Like ponies. In the Godzilla. That's right. That's right. Yeah. His penis looked like a snake's armor.

All right. Ponies would do it. We need ponies. We'll do it. Well, if ponies could wrangle the lightning so we don't have any delayed primetime games, that'd be great. Because it seems like that's the only problem.

Thunder is not the problem. Nope. Rain is not the problem. Nope. It's just that motherfucker lightning. And if we could figure out where it's going and if we could direct it somewhere, that would be fantastic.

Yeah. Chargers in the Rams definitely have to change their rules too. Yeah. Because if we're getting GameStopped inside that fucking place again Because their LED board that they put over top That covers the entire thing What are we doing?

So lightning could go sideways they said? Into the stadium, yeah, give me a fucking break Play the game They talk about knowing more about space and the ocean We don't The nerds that say that need to relax I understand we need to research the ocean more, but let's not act like we don't need to research space in the same

vein. We need to learn more about lightning. We do. We know nothing about it. You know who might? Tom Rinaldi. Aliens. We could call. Tom Rinaldi would. He probably does. He's done at least a few stories on lightning.

Delayed games that affected outcome. I mean, that should be something that has to happen. What if there's like a thing from 96 where you hear him voiceover and he's talking about why can't we divert lightning? Why do we know nothing about lightning? It's all you. What you said today. Well, maybe.

Maybe I am. Just stealing us. Here's a PSA for lightning, by the way, just in case. Avoid utility poles, barbed wire fences, just in general, by the way. Why do you ever buy barbed wire fences? Avoid those all the time. Convertibles, tractors. Well, John Deere, obviously a problem.

And motorcycles. Look for a thick patch of small trees. Avoid tall, lone trees. Don't lie flat. So don't boom. Put that back on. Put the picture from the White House back up. Put your ass in the air, too.

Don't lie flat. What do you got, cat and camel? That's a small batch of trees, right? I mean, they did exactly what they're supposed to do. I think they're talking like trees like that one. They were laying flat. They're talking about pots and plants? Yeah, tiny, tiny trees.

Go back to the Google thing, please. These people did exactly. You guys acting like, oh, yeah, trees are the problem. They were being flat about it. Look for a thick patch of small trees. Avoid tall, lone trees. Don't lie flat. How are we supposed to get under this pot? Tiny, tiny

trees. Are we sure these elderly people weren't dead before the lightning struck them? You're right. Look at that tree. It's not that big. It's not redwood. I mean, rest in peace to these people that did exactly what they were supposed to do. Buy the book. It says being underneath the tree is the second leading cause of lightning casualties.

What the fuck is this thing saying? Google lies. This is like stats. They're playing for everybody. At least 63,600,000 results in.447. What about right here, though? Can lightning be prevented? Click on that.

How about a quick flex by Google right at the top? Yeah, let's certainly. Stay away from windows and doors and stay off porches. Do not lie on concrete floors or lean on concrete walls during thunderstorm. Lightning can travel through any metal wires or bars in concrete walls or flooring yeah so not a single thing about trees here yet about what you guys are saying not a single thing about how to prevent lightning well that's the thing nobody can't prevent obviously you can't that's like the tab underneath can lightning be prevented it's bullshit can lightning be prevented forecasters can and do forecast the

likelihood of intense lightning activity however it is impossible to forecast individual strikes because lightning is so widespread, frequent, and random. So, yeah, lightning has us by the balls. Yep. Nobody has the answer. Lightning has us, sports, and the world by the balls. Whenever they want to, they can fuck up anything. And they killed people last week. I don't know what lightning's deal is, but it needs to relax.

Sounds like as long as you stay under a tree and you're not in a convertible you'll be fine well they said john deere's too not good to be no no motorcycles believe me a little fucking lightning ain't stopping any farmer from getting out in the deer and tilling the land ain't happening i'm tired of lightning i'm done with it i was on a plane the other night and i seen it off in the distance in the clouds, and it's quite a spectacle. It's a show when you're flying and you see it. But then I'm like, wait, that thing could just right over to us, and what are we doing?

I'm microwave in the sky, and I'm done. I guess. Get away from me, lightning. Someone figure it out. I don't want any delayed games. I saw a Hall of Fame game was delayed. You know why? Lightning.

It was absurd. Like 40 minutes. Long time for Jason Garrett to have to fill in his first night on the job. Yeah. Holding the microphone with two fingers and his thumb. Cutting promos. Like a weirdo. Hey, whoa.

Hey, just look at how the other people are holding their fucking microphones. What's your problem? That's the Garrett. Please run the MCDC promo. Did you see how he's holding the microphone? Do you like the way he's holding it? Yes, I do. He held that thing like Luke Combs at the CMA Fest last week.

What MCDC did with this microphone to fire up not only the 10 people that are in attendance for this practice, but the entire city of Detroit gets me so excited for Hard Knocks on Tuesday. Ty Schmidt tweeted this, and your exact tweet was? I just love how genuine the, look at you guys man run this thing please look at how pumped mcdc gets here for the crowd and for the people of detroit hello motor city what's up dude man that's what he's thinking right now it's unbelievable look at you guys. Listen, I would say this. You guys have heard me say this,

but I think what makes Detroit special is the fact that, man, you guys will roll your sleeves up and put in a hard day's work. Yeah, man. And I think we want to model ourselves after that. I'll tell you what, you would give your coat in winter. You would give your coat to somebody in winter that needed it, man. That's what this community is about. However, however, however.

What? Nobody will take advantage of our hospitality. Goddamn right. Hell yeah. So that's who we're about. That's what we're about. This team is working their rear off to give you something to be proud of. All right.

They're grinding it out right now. And I know I know this but we are freakin starving. We are starving So the hyenas better get out of the way hyenas they're lions yeah lion king the lions hunt hyenas hyenas do a lot of chirping you know what the lions do

they kind of just chill and then whenever they're hungry they just go fucking kill something that's right but they're working their rear end off and they're starving man hey alright

man this guy's awesome I think he's mic'd up for the entirety of Hard Knocks on Tuesday he should be and we need more of that

yeah look at you guys, man. He's giving a reception speech at a wedding. You guys are unbelievable, man. And you know, you give the coat off your back. Man. Man. But there's a caveat, man.

No one is going to mistake that for and take advantage of our hospitality, man. Non-kneecaps, man. So you know what? The hyenas better get out of the way. All right, man. Non-kneecaps, man. So you know what? The hyenas better get out of the way. All right, man, that's enough. I fucking love this guy, dude. Love him. I love him.

Imagine how good that speech is going to be in a couple years when that place is full because they've been winning a lot of games. That's right. This was the moment. This was the moment. With a grit cap on, grit being their team motto for the year. Love it. I was on a team that had grit as the motto. a grit cap on. Grit being their team motto for the year. Love it. I was on a team that had grit as the motto.

We had grit chips. Everybody had the grit chips. You're going all in with a grit chip or what? Yeah, we're fucking going all in with a grit chip. The grit hat. They're already saying, we're going to be a tough football team. They have recruited tough football players.

They had that one shot where he was talking about what they're going to do this year, and they showed a player that none of us have ever heard of or seen before, and his eyes were wide open as if he had drank more coffee than MCDC did that day. Douche, douche. Couple of espressos and

an entire pot of coffee. I can't wait to see this Lions team. Honestly, there's going to be 15-yard penalties. These motherfuckers are going to go through the whistle. They're going to go through the ground. I think this Lions team. There's going to be 15-yard penalties. These motherfuckers are going to go through the whistle. They're going to go through the ground. I think this Lions team is going to be a lot of fun to watch and hard knocks tomorrow.

HBO, I can't wait, Foxy. I'm sure you're excited as hell. I've never been so excited for a Lions team, and I can genuinely say this. There has not been one single negative thing that someone has said about training. People are betting on the Lions. It's insane.

That's never happened. And we gotta keep in mind, let's keep in mind, Lions season, we are in the prime of it. From draft day to week one, that is prime time Lions season and everyone's believing right now. 10-7 playoff win, book it. Man, we are so freaking hungry, man.

Freaking starving. Didn't he do this last year at training camp too? He said something about We're the fire pit No no Don't have party He brought the lion out They were at a party They were at a party

And they have fire You know man And we'll start You guys are the kindling though Yep No no They're the lighter fluid Yeah

We're the kindling You guys are the gasoline Right man And we're the kindling on top of it man Let's get this bonfire going man I love them. They won three games, right? Three games and a tie.

Here we go. Here we go. Beat the Cardinals. Pretty good. Killed the Cardinals. Dude, 60 minutes of MCDC tomorrow night. Hell yeah. Oh, my gosh.

I can't wait, dude. MCDC, uncut. Yeah. I saw Jamal Williams, the little speech he gave. I don't know if you saw that. Awesome. Really good. Yeah, he got emotional during it, talking to the team.

They sent me a clip that if we wanted to run. We're going to get a lot of Jamal Williams, I think, in Hard Knocks. This is, I don't know. All right. They sent this to me. Very thankful for NFL Films sending it to me. It's MCDC staying in the middle of the crew. Ragnow, by the way, went on the record of saying Appie's top five restaurant. Fucking love that guy.

Yeah. That's the center. That's already coming up. I mean, we got MCDC giving speeches, man. And then we got Ragnow saying Appie's top five. Then we got Jamal Williams giving speeches this might this team might become America's team yeah right now playing the broken throat last year so of course of course he did dog happy stuff and there's people saying this this guy doesn't always talk about

it's like right now should eat at Applebee's what are we even yeah they got apps bro and they got margaritas well I don't know this is uh oh this is Jamal Williams let's all know man today is the minimum of effort do not give up do not feel like you tired were you tired think of last year and think of that record every time I get tired or I think I can't go no more I think of record last year wasn't it. That ain't us. Well.

We can make it. Have some heart. That's my first time. I get emotional about this. I'm about to cry because I care about y'all. Do your best. Let's go. Lions on three.

One, two, three. Lions. I mean, let's f***ing go, huh? Wow. They're all in. You know, Dan Campbell's doing burpees while that's going on, doing up-downs himself. He's so pumped.

Dude, they're all in. It sounds like, right? Jamal, all in there. Players are all in. Fans are all in. Coaches are all in. And this has never happened in Detroit. Well, I will say, Jamal, incredible speech.

We're big fans of you. Yep. But that is you guys, though, just to be clear. Why is the team always crying? Three, 12, and one. I also love that. But with that being said, like, I want to hear MCDC say fuck 150 times on Tuesday. I don't need 15 minutes of Jamal Williams.

I love it. He swore in there they had a little out there. He did. He did. But let's not get cute. MCDC is going to say fuck a lot. I know he's saying fuck a lot. So let me see it.

He sounds like he's tempering himself. You heard his speech. Freaking man. Yeah, like he's tempering himself. You heard his speech. Freaking mad. Yeah, that's what the fans are. Get him in. I want to see him not knowing the camera's on there and drink a full pot of coffee. Just look around like he's a little tired, and I want to see him drink an entire pot of coffee. All right, I need to go fucking hit something, man.

All right, man. What if he fucking walks out of frame? You know how they have the PTZ camera that zooms in on the office? PTZ pan, tilt, zoom. Okay, it's a camera that is in our office here. High def, it can move. It can do all this shit. You see Foxy finger fucking it literally all day, every day.

They have those in the building around, and then there's a truck that's kind of taking it all in, and then they edit it. It's brilliant because people do forget that the cameras are there. Him walking into another side, walking out, opening the closet, coming back with a beer bong in his hand, and then putting the cup on the coffee. Super hot coffee, though. You know he plugs into 140 of those. Oh, fuck, man. Hot, man. Man. Man.

There's some nose grease on there. And then he just, ooh. Yeah. And then he hits the table. Yeah. Woo! He walks right into a team meeting. Oh, my gosh.

That's Tuesday. I can't wait. Tomorrow night at 8 o'clock. Yep. I hope so. We'll see. Woo! If we got him bonging a pot of coffee on our coach.

Oh, no. He's back. Yeah. He's got to do it. Immediately becomes the greatest moment. Maybe a rookie show. Just sick of the NFL films. People controlling the PTZ.

Moving over. Where's the guy? He left. He went into his closet over there. He always goes into. What is he holding? Zooming in on. Somebody in the back.

I think that's a beer bong. A what? A funnel, some call it. What's he doing with it? Zoom out. That's a full pot of coffee. Jesus Christ, we can see the steam coming off the coffee right now. All these things are possible.

Yes. That is why this is so awesome. That's why we love MCDC. Exactly. Look what the cat dragged in there. Oh, they're letting anyone in here, huh, man? Good to see you guys, man. How you doing?

We're down on the other end. I think we're going to training camp. Are you coming for that? When? No, I don't know. What are you doing? I don't know. What are you doing? Well, no. That's the show. I hope you're happy, AJ.

That's very nice of you. I don't know anything about it. He does love doing it, though. I know my demeanor might seem like I'm not enjoying this, but I fucking love it. I do love the show. You're telling me this for the first time. You gave me no date or anything. It's kind of like you on Friday. That's what I do, though, too, AJ for the first time. You gave me no date or anything. Oh, it's kind of like you on Friday.

Sounds familiar. That's what I do, though, too, AJ. If it's the first time I'm hearing something about it and someone asks me, I immediately have to say no. Busy. Sorry about it. Schedule's crazy. Sorry about it. I'm so sorry.

Yeah, I think we're going up to the coach training camp, though. Let's go. I think so. We'll see. Tech-wise, we're going to figure it out. Can you holly? What's that, pal? Yeah, I was about to do it.

I worked on it this week and had nothing else going on so i said let me get fucking wow you tell me wow do it again do it again tony hawk i'm rolling by dude kickflip i'm like i ain't got that yet but i do go to fucking clean holly yeah almost went down pretty hard there i will say When I was up on that top rope You know At SummerSlam That was very much lateral balancing I've never been able to do that in my entire life So I actually thought

Oh this feels like a skateboard A couple times Because you know pretty thin And I'd done this So I was almost preparing myself my entire life with every time I've gotten on a skateboard for that moment up there as, oh my God, I should not be on something like this.

And then boom, set it to the swanton and bombini. You know what I mean, AJ? I assumed it was all part of the program. I didn't think you were really having trouble up there. I saw people tweet that, and I'm very thankful for those people. How about Pat being so athletic? It's like being a musician.

It's like if you're in a band. They know if they mess up but we as fans usually don't know. That's what Chuck told me one time when I practiced. I think it was training camp practice was open.

I had a bad punt. Obviously, mother fucked immediately. Nobody knows that's a bad punt. Until you say, oh, motherfucker

or whatever. Nobody knows. I'm like, well, I know. And that's all that matters, Chuck. And he's like, well, not whenever there's, you know, like Make-A-Wish kids two feet behind you. I'm like, motherfucker, or whatever. Nobody knows. I'm like, well, I know. And that's all that matters, Chuck. And he's like, well, not whenever there's,

you know, like Make-A-Wish kids, two feet behind you. I'm like, well, they got a full experience. They know. They learned. They learned. They know what a bad ball is. They fucking deserve it.

All right, we're out of here. AJ, great work today. We appreciate you, even though you're choosing not to come to training camp. Yep. I like those shoes. These are another edition of the comfort limos that Jordan makes. They're fatter.

They're sweet. Yeah, they're fatter. They're wider for my fat-ass feet. Yeah, they actually look comfortable. Bingo. Yeah. I re-watched some of that this weekend. Much better this time.

Last dance? Yeah. Not that it wasn't good the first time. I just forgot how good it was, maybe, I'll say. Oh, really? Yeah. Because that got us through COVID there for a bit. Yes, it did. Sunday nights. Month and a half. Swearing, 9 p.m. ESPN.

That was a big deal. Oh, yeah. Go. Well, it's difficult to compare eras. New media is trying to get that message out there. That's right. They're basically talking about two different sports. Stockton was dribbling the ball over his head. Jordan was still flying, though. Like this. You know what I mean? Nowadays, that's right. We're basically talking about two different sports. Stockton was dribbling the ball over his head. Jordan was still flying, though.

Like this. You know what I mean? Nowadays, that's getting picked. I'm saying Stockton would have learned how to actually dribble in what basketball has become. Right. But to compare that basketball to this basketball is just – Where'd he go, Gonzaga?

A nonsensical – Does he still go to the games? Okay. Okay. He does. All right, let's get out of here. Very good program. I'm surprised you didn't bring up that coach that read somebody else's iPad,

word for word. I did see that earlier today. That's a tough deal. That was definitely on your list. No, it really wasn't. No, no. A shoehorn. Yeah, it was.

Because we started making a list. While the power was out, and we thought we were potentially going to have to go live from a cell phone, and then we were able to power up a couple things, and we would have had a makeshift show. We said, all right, now what are we going to talk about today? Before that, though, let's talk about what AJ's going to talk about today. And it was like, all right, he'll talk about Stockton-Gonzaga relationship.

Right. That's up to him. Got that one down. He'll talk about Aaron and Ayawasa. You did not. What's that all about? You over it? You don't think he's taking it? You think that's a lie? I don't know. Is it something that happens during the season? Do we know?

You tell us, dude. You're the shaman. I don't know. I have questions. Is that what happened to his toe? Too much Ayawasa? Is there an Ayawasa toe? We heard about COVID toe. That's a good point. You remember when COVID toe was trending?

Oh, yeah. COVID-19. COVID-19. Aaron's photo. It was a Twitter photo for a while. It still is, I think. That's awesome. Beast.

Just all of this shit. Do you remember that? That's what last season. Oh, yeah. It was last season. What a time. That's crazy. Yeah, that was the season.

Yeah, wow. Okay. That was last season. It all runs together. Yes, I was the season. Yeah, wow, okay. That was last season. It all runs together. Yes, I'm having an issue with last season, the season before that, and the season before that. And, you know, pat on the back. COVID did that, I think.

I have a very solid memory, like very, very solid memory. And now it's getting to the point where I'm remembering things like vividly. And I'm like, well, there's no way that's from last year. I don't remember it that good. And it's like, no, it is. It's from two seasons ago. Yeah. And I'm like, well, there's no way that's from last year. I don't remember it that good. And it's like, no, it is. It's from two seasons ago. Yeah. And I'm kind of putting it together.

And it's like, oh, no, I got to. Maybe I do IWASA before the season starts. Oh, here we go. Kind of reset. You know what I mean? Reset for the season. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe I lock all those, you know, compartmentalize each season in there so that we just go into the season with a clear mind, clear thoughts, full hearts. Can't lose. can't lose. That's right. That's what we're doing. All right. I'm down. So now we know why I'm traveling to Costa Rica next week.

That's right. Is that where it is, AJ? Is that where we're going? I think you could do it in America, too. No. I don't think so. Oh, you can. You definitely can.

It's California, man. That's what they do. What? You're a jackass. There might be some sketchy characters, but they definitely do it out there. I don't want to dabble in any amateur Bush League. Iwasa. If I want to get two seasons ago, locked in as two seasons ago,

and last season locked in as last season, I've got to go into the fucking jungle, pal. Right to the source. Got to go in there. Eighth dimension. You have to pick the plant. Nine is where I'm trying to get to, pal pal i get up to nine and you'll never get there you you don't that's why i'm not doing it california yeah that's why i'm going to the jungle i don't need your negativity you're not invited how about that yes i hope you're happy aj

hope you're happy i'm going to the 10th whoa are you really how you you gotta go i think central africa has a plant that does that. Shoot. Good luck. I don't know if there's any more than nine. It's shamans only, too. That's why he can go, because he's done it so many goddamn times. Well, it sounds like he's an amateur bush league trying to lead me down the wrong eye.

I'm not happy about it. All right. We'll do eye-washing for tomorrow's show. Let's go. Okay? We don't recommend it for everybody, but if you need to remember things in a certain way, I not a big pharma guy so no that's right i'll be a spotter you'd be shaman you guys all do it i'll be a spotter you'll fucking do it and you like sure no one jumps out of a window so if anybody needs it it's you you've been a cowboy for two years isn't it time

to move on to the next maybe you become like hippie i've been saying that i do need something else are you going to be a cowboy forever, though? I like cowboy tone. Cowboy sounds awesome. Cowboy tone has been sweet. Why don't you be the rapper kid from Secession? Kendall. Yeah. What is it?

L to the OG. Yeah. Is that another season coming, October? Soon, I believe. Yeah. Either October or November. So if it comes in October or November, we'll have Secession. We'll have World Cup.

And we'll have the NFL. we'll have World Cup, and we'll have the NFL. Boom. And college football. Boom. Don't forget a new Game of Thrones coming out too. And Call of Duty. Really?

And Call of Duty. Yeah. Call of Duty. We got it all. Game of Thrones really happening again? The two-week prequel series. Same writers? The writers that mailed in had Starbucks in the last season?

Nope. Dragons. So I can watch the prequel, right? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I can start here? Yeah. I don't see whyquel, right? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I can start here? Yeah. I don't see why not.

Look at us, AJ. We're back in the game. All the dragons and shit that we're not going to buy into again, we at least get an attempt to try here. Yeah, and this one actually, I believe, has dragons from Jump. There's no way in hell. So I won't even get a couple minutes into the show then. It'll be 30 seconds in and I'll be out.

You don't like the dragons? Fucking kill the dragons. All right, we got nothing to do here. See you don't like the dragons kill the dragons all right we got nothing to do here see you later no they're good dragons too all right well i ain't got time to fantasize about which dragon's a good dragon blood of the dragon what some of the humans they don't get burned and they can just like hang out okay because they're see that's why i'm too mentally weak to be able to understand me too i i can't get into the whole let alone the accents they have there. There's like 75 stories happening at the

same time, right? We don't know if this one's going to be like that. You guys love... It has to be like that. It's just following one house, and actually I just remembered, it is Prince Philip from The Crown. I believe he is one of the main characters. The Crown's husband. Oh, I remember that.

Because I had to stop watching once they changed who the queen was. Yes. Because I was like, that's not my queen, so I can't get in there. Zito told me you're watching Game of Thrones back right now. Yeah. Oh, so you're diving in to get ready for the prequels? Uh-huh. I've actually done it for a couple shows now, and every single show that I've done it for

worked perfectly. It's just something to have on in the background just to pass the time while there's no... From season one all the way through? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. It's fun, actually. It's a good little time. It's just something to have on in the background just to pass the time while there's no... From season one all the way through? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. It's fun, actually. It's a good little time.

That's awesome. What do you have in the background of? Fucking video games, playing Zelda and shit. You wouldn't get it. On your Nintendo thing? Yeah, on the Switch. Switch is back for me. Took a little time off, now I'm back.

You got Doritos and Mountain Dew, too? I wish I had Dew. So what do you do? You just sit there with that thing, and you're just sitting on the couch. Game runs in the background. Boom. Three, four hours. You go to bed.

You got tomorrow coming? Yeah, probably. That's crazy to me. That's crazy people do that. He's got to creep on the homeless people with his binoculars. I do that, too. What time is that? Between the Zelda War.

Right, when you get home from work. Usually when I get home from work, with dinner, just take a little scene around. Sometimes that lasts. Oh, dinner and a movie. Exactly. Sometimes that lasts. Oh, dinner and a movie. Exactly. Sometimes that dinner and show, yeah. Sometimes that lasts a little longer. So Zelda and the Thrones kind of wait.

And also, you know, Blackbird. That was a massive part of the last few weeks. And then there's this other show, Westworld. Zito and I watched. And no one really enjoyed it. Oh, that's about president. No, that is about a futuristic society that invents robots. I saw season one.

I can't do it. I wish I could. How come I can't do it? It was cool. Season one was cool. You liked it, AJ. Season one, yeah, I think it's a good show. I just stopped watching.

I don't know. I might pick it back up. Yeah. It's a cool concept. It's from back in the day. No, it's not. The problem is... It's a reboot, yeah.

The problem is to... Oh, really? They made it before. Okay. Yeah. The problem is that during problem is to... Oh, really? They made it before. Okay. The problem is that during the fires in California, all their sets burned down. So there was like two years without it. And this is a very confusing show.

So if you didn't rewatch them, like Zito was saying, he didn't rewatch them. And there's a little bit of time in the beginning there where it's like, okay, what the fuck is going on? I respect everybody that can get into these shows. And I appreciate that you can. My wife can. I'm just too basic. I can't do it. Yeah, I'm out of here. I respect everybody that can get into these shows and I appreciate that you can. My wife can.

I'm just too basic. I can't do it. Yeah, I'm out of here. Yeah, I'm out of here. I'm so sorry. I can't believe it. The dragon's doing what? Fuck the dragon.

We don't care about the dragon. I mean, that's... I'm too basic. I mean, I'm... We need the general's outlines. His cliff notes. I was going to say. The general did that

for Game of Thrones? Yeah, he wrote like 500 pages, didn't he, on like family's histories and like... General Bob Carpenter? Yeah. I told you to say. The general did that for Game of Thrones? Yeah. Every season, every episode. He wrote like 500 pages, didn't he, on like family's histories and like. General Bob Carpenter? Yeah. I told you that before. Yeah, he told me. When I told him, I can't understand it.

There's too many storylines. I don't understand the things. He's like, no, no, no. I built a whole outline you could watch with this, and it'll kind of take you through all the different storylines happening. General Bob, the man who saved football? Yeah, I just asked his brother. He's got three brothers. They're awesome.

I was just, I had dinner at Bobby's birthday dinner. I was sitting by his brother, and I was asking him, I'm like, did Bob really make these Game of Thrones outlines? He's like, oh, yeah, absolutely, man. You should use it to watch it. He couldn't believe that I'd never seen the show. General Bob, make these things public, dude. Are these public for him?

I know he should. He honestly should charge people for them. Oh, this could be his only fans. Let's see if he does that. Let's do some workouts in the morning and Game of Thrones recaps in the afternoon. He could collect $ could be his only fans. Yeah, see if he does that. Do some workouts in the morning and Game of Thrones recaps in the afternoon. He could collect $4.99 a month. Yeah. George R.R.

Martin will try to fucking cut his head off, but you know. Who's that? The guy who created it. Hey, pal, you had Starbucks in the last fucking season. That wasn't him. That was the production. He is a fucking sack of wine though. He hasn't finished any of the books. He's getting fat and lazy.

Yeah, well, and he did this goddamn... He's got to be worth a billion at this point. Yeah, he's earned a lot of money, and he also just made this fucking video game. He made the storyline for it. It's one of the most successful video games ever, but it's like... So he's fat and lazy?

This guy has created multi-billion dollar operations in two different genres, and you hate him? What's the deal? Yeah, he's fat and lazy. He just created a fucking video game yeah finish the story though he's writing you know 400 pages over the course of like fucking 25 years and now because game of thrones has gotten so popular like oh hey let's go you know do whatever this guy's done and meanwhile he won't even fucking finish game of thrones like you know

what pal respect his art okay oh i i have speaking of the process yeah his artistic creative process um speaking of you i thought of you this weekend did you cornhole was on tv yeah couldn't do it because of everything you said yeah i did see the world pickle ball league though cool wpl or something like that not Brees? Well, the issue was I watched for 20 minutes They didn't have a single game They just had a lot of talk about the game That's an issue

Yeah, so I've yet to see There's a pregame show for pickleball tournaments? Yes There was a full-on introduction of who the people are Saw one guy with a paddle Doing a little trick shot juggle He was getting ready for the finals He was on BLQk team which stands for

something they were taking on some other team there was literally a 12 to 13 i was watching it for 12 to 13 minutes not a single highlight i still don't know what the fuck the game was doing the pregame fucking marty mcgee no but it was like a pickleball marty and mcgee and then a uh then a host or whatever because i know they were Because I know they were hosting a lot of the Ocho stuff. They did a great job. No, this was on CBS Sports. Marty McGee were at Pogo Palooza on Friday, so they were doing that instead of Pogo. What is Pogo Palooza?

Pogo Stick Skills Challenge. People are doing the Pogo Stick and one guy fucking shattered his knee during it. It was electric, actually. Guy couldn't even walk off it said trainers it called an ambulance dragged this poor sack of shit off this guy was this real oh yeah I mean I often wonder because I've seen pogo specialists

before they get going oh yeah real high and whenever they hit the ground that thing compresses real small and then like 20 feet in the air oh yeah something they're flying they do flips and shit they do flips oh yes they fought aj there's some really talented but i did not see this i need to get another i need to get a pogo stick my buddy growing up his dad had some that like held a lot of weight i need to find those because they were fun, man. We'd take it all over. I concur. I have pogo sticked in the past. I enjoyed it.

Nothing like what these people who are experts at it, though. They fly and flip. But I often wonder, like, if that thing slips at all, you are – there's a lot of hard – there's a lot of the ground. There's no easy fall. The pedals and then also the pogo stick itself, very, very hard. All of those things are metal. So I often wondered about the catastrophic, you know, crashes.

You're saying what happened on the Ocho here. Yeah, I mean, there's chances they had to cut this guy's leg off because it was violent. What are you laughing about? Because it's Pogo Palooza. This guy sacrificed his life for ESPN the Ocho here. Pogo Palooza. No, I mean, he did what he could.

Don't talk to me about, Is this the guy getting hurt? No, this was actually the first dismount. 720 something. Look at these motherfuckers. I'm over the thing. Did a 360. Watch this dismount. Stucky McGee went apeshit.

As he should have. I'll watch this. That reminded me. When did it start that if like guys make routine catches on other guys that the entire football team runs on the field and acts like it was the greatest football play of all time is it the last play of the period nope if it's the last play of the period that has happened always if it's the last play of practice it has happened always you're saying there's been a lot of hyping up and gas gassing up a lot of things that aren't happening?

You know that one that I didn't like? I blame a fucking... Then you're going to be so tired. If you go celebrate after a play, you've got to get right back in. Yeah, the fighting gets very exhausting. The finishing a play gets exhausting, and celebrating gets exhausting.

So you normally see that kind of die off towards the end of training camp. You're saying it's still going strong in certain places? I blame SportsCenter. I blame House of Highlights. I blame... This guy said it's Omar's fault. That's what I blame SportsCenter. I blame House of Highlights. I blame... This guy said it's Omar's fault. That's what you literally just said.

There's no reason for you to talk like that. It's Omar's fault. Omar is taking over your... Talking about getting... Talking about R.R. Martin or whatever. George. What's this guy? He's calling him a fat sack lazy piece of wine.

Omar is in incredible shape. I don't think he's lazy. He's running 10 different clip accounts around here. 10 different accounts I don't think he's lazy. He's running 10 different clip accounts around the year. Yeah, million accounts. He's running the Checkdown. He's running Bleach Report. He's running House of Highlights.

He's running SportsCenter. He's running ESPN. Whoa, when you're only captions, that shit's wild. There is some shit that's wild. Get off of Omar's back. But I do know that any social media person that's hired now from any of these accounts,

you know how they were asking Kyle Brand if he's going to be like me? They're all like, are you going to just post like omar does and omar has become the blueprint which i think omar should be proud of that might be omar but you're saying basic ass highlights are getting right i thought the thing on paulo banchero was pretty basic i didn't think that was really on paulo's head but that was that was made out to be like he got that'd be annoying if you were paulo has okay Paul. It has now sparked something afterwards too. Yeah, I saw they responded.

Yeah, the whole thing. It started a fight. The internet was going crazy. And I was like, I don't – was that – I guess because it got him to jump is why it was a big deal? Because he didn't nuts on head or anything. But they were going to fight each other, I guess. Yeah.

That's awesome. Like him throwing the ball was huge. But apparently Paulo had like 40 points in that game too. And that he was also like crushing it. But that didn't get talked about because Deontay Murray just chucked the ball at him after the dunk. No, he threw it away. He threw it right. Didn't he throw it?

He threw it out of the gym almost. Oh, I thought he threw it like kind of at him because Paulo was checking the ball out. He was passing it in. Yeah, whatever the case. The violent throw is why everybody was checking the ball out. He was passing it in. Yeah, whatever the case. The violent throw is why everybody was saying it was crazy? Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm on Apollo's side in this entire thing.

He's looked unbelievable this entire – I mean, granted, some of the times they're playing against bums, but he has looked the real deal. Apparently, now that he was the number one pick, he's too big time for everyone else. He's playing in that bum-ass game. That's why DeJounte Murray didn't like him anymore. Doesn't like him anymore.

That's what he posted about because he unfollowed Paulo on Instagram and he got all personal. And then that's what Murray said, is that he would big time because

I'm the first overall pick. Hey, if he's saying that to people, hilarious. He should wear his own jersey to a game. That would be crazy. But I didn't like that Paulo said he'd rather be an jersey to a game uh that'd be crazy but um i didn't like that paulo

said he'd rather be an mvp than a finals champion uh 10-time all-star yeah 10-time all-star over a finals champion or whatever oh really that was kind of alarming yeah that says a lot that was kind of alarming and then this whole thing happening i'm like all right it sounds like this dude's not making a lot of friends but i didn't think the play itself was uh no agreed was uh the internet really yeah i mean the caption on the video sets the tone for everybody yeah oh damn bro yeah then i'm waiting to see what okay what are they freaking out about yeah i concur whatever paulo sounds like he's uh certainly a polarizing guy yeah definitely who's he played for orlando magic oh so we don't see him on tv no he will be a 10-time All-Star probably, but I don't think he's going to be winning many finals.

Number one overall pick, normally make the All-Star game regardless? Not always, I don't think, but as of late. Like Zion, Zion was number two, or he was number one, rather, and he got hurt. I don't know if he's been to an All-Star game. Well, they won't let him play in the fucking games. True. Put Zion on a goddamn court and watch him span.

He might have been two years ago. That's the good thing about the – or not the good thing, but that's like with the NBA, Paulo could play for the Magic for a couple years and then win his next contract up and be like 23. Go to the Lakers. Yeah, or the Warriors or something. Well, congrats on winning the lottery draft thing.

Help Paulo learn how to play NBA basketball. And then let him go play somewhere else and win. That's right. Are the Pacers still an NBA team? Pacers actually are getting relegated down to the G League. They will not be in the NBA anymore. I thought so. I knew this was coming.

People, we've been saying this for, what, a couple years now. Yeah. They'll dominate the G League. Taking time. Maybe. I don't know. There's some G League teams that are signing those kids out of high school and paying them. They're pretty good.

All right. We're done. Feels like today's show was a good one. One of those kids got drafted, by the way, for the Bucs. Straight from high school to G League to the NBA. Good for that kid. Get your money, dude. He's awesome.

Hope you do well with it. Hope you're smart with it. Good luck, kid. Bitcoin's at $24,000. So take it as you will. It was up to 60 at one point. Pretty sweet. So is it just going to do that all day, every day?

Probably. Is that what it is? Blockchain. Well, yeah, thank you. Just start throwing out words. Just throw out keywords. All right, let's do a giveaway, shall we? Hashtag PMS blockchain.

We should do a giveaway. What was the topic of today's show? Probably 800 pounds of poop. Yeah, but that wasn't really our story. That was already trending today. I don't know if we should. Anniversary. That is crazy to think about, though.

Yeah, insane. Respect lightning. Respect lightning. Hashtag PMS lightning. Where'd it go? How's it work? Say something nice to somebody. Take a screenshot, Ray, now.

I'm not doing anything. Too cool, huh? You're a loser, dude. No, my stuff, my... What? What did you say? Phil actually came up here. We gave Phil a tour.

Phil came up in this room. What is that thing, Colin? Shut up. Put your hashtag, take a screenshot of that, tweet something nice to a player in training camp, and then use the hashtag PMS Lightning. Hell yeah. Because we need to spotlight lightning a little bit more

so that people with the big old brains that study a lot of things can prevent situations like this from happening and also games being delayed. That's right. We would like a little bit more research done on lightning so we can maybe wrangle it and keep it away from primetime games so we don't have to deal with any delays. And also, death.

Yeah, that's right. We'd like to end the death thing. Please. Once and for all. Don't want to have to do that again. We didn't expect it to be us. Nope. But we will take a stand.

We'll give 10 people $500. You have to put your cash tag in there. Use the hashtag PMSLightning and screenshot from earlier and say something nice to a player at training camp. We appreciate you all so much. It's been four hours today when we had no power right before we went live. Not a bad little Monday. We will see Yin's Mignogna.

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