The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 717 - Feel Good Friday With Kirk Herbstreit & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 12, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night's preseason games and all the different games happening tonight and this weekend, and everything else happening in the sports world as we creep closer and closer to the start of the NFL season. Joining the progrum to chat about the work he's been doing to prepare for the Thursday Night Football games on Amazon, the landscape of college football as it stands right now, how he thinks it's going to change in the next few years, and his son's last day as an intern at PMI, is the Voice of College Football, friend of the show, Kirk Herbstreit (20:04-58:34). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. It is feel good Friday, August 12th, 2022. This sports show beacons. Now here we go. Here we go. How to baby to the NFL as well. Two preseason games last night that were all actually pretty entertaining to watch. There were some highlights. There were some dogs. There were some players we didn't know. There were some press conferences that were fantastic. And we will have to dive into all of that. Today, there are five games happening today. It feels like we're really starting to get the big old spoon, like we're Ezekiel Elliott. And that bone out of cereal of preseason football games

is sitting there all the way up to the top. The cereal hasn't even gotten, like, drenched by the milk yet. It's sitting right on top. And we're just going to get it out and break it. I believe their starters playing today at Tone Diggs. One half of the hammer. Die, Cowboys. How many

teams are playing their starters this evening? Falcons and Lions are playing starters. Browns and Jags are playing starters. Jets and Eagles are playing starters. Cards and Bengals are not. Packers and Niners are without Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so four out of the five games, you're going to see a majority of players that we may have heard of before, and we will see again, which is not similar to how we saw the Hall of Fame game.

The Hall of Fame game was absolutely nobody other than Josh Jacobs that we knew we would see again. Now we're going to get a chance to see at least a quarter, maybe a quarter and a half of football. Last night, got a chance to see Malik Willis in his entirety, and that was fantastic. Now, obviously, the Patriots-Giants game was on in our NFL network where we were watching, and they were bouncing back and forth

with the Ravens and Titans game. And the Ravens go on to get a win. Hundley's like, I mean, that team is awesome to watch. The three-back split set that they were running that they just do, it's like literally Lamar Jackson is an anomaly. He is an anomaly. But the way they set up that team is like if Lamar goes down, though, we have very similar opportunities and options.

There's some teams that have quarterbacks that have differing styles that whenever you put one in, it's like, all right, this is nothing similar to what the team's actually going to look like. There actually has to be different players and different play styles. It feels like for the Ravens, they're all, hey, this is our team. If our quarterback goes down, we need our quarterback that doesn't that quarterback does it won't be the same level because it's fucking lamar jackson's gonna get 250 million or whatever but it's that guy is a fucking baller i and the backup the backup is a fucking baller i mean that team was fun to watch last night titans were fun to watch mostly because we saw malik willis play football for the first

time in the nfl and most of us never seen Malik Willis play football before. I've seen a couple Liberty highlights, but every time you watch it, you can't help but go, it's fucking Liberty, dude, playing against Boston Connor. You think that throw is going to fly against somebody that actually is in the NFL as opposed to Ty Schmidt locked down on one-on-ones against his wide receiver? It's tough to take serious. So when he got the edge on an NFL game last night for that touchdown,

took a big-time shot, I'm like, all right, baby, fucking Malik does work in the NFL. Then just shortly after that, fucking how you doing? Keep it moving, Huck. Deep ball. Had to do timing on that one, by the way, because the corner bailed last second as the ball was already in the air. He was going to be covered. He knew it was going to bounce off. That was a great ball.

His sidearm throw, yeah, he looked like Patrick Mahal. Aaron Rodgers. Matthew Stafford. Russell Wilson. Probably any other quarterback that has any other arm talent at all. But that was a fucking hell of a throw to make. He was balling.

He was vibing. He was exciting. And it seemed like the Titans are maybe looking at their future here. Now, Vrabel came out afterwards, and he's a coach. He's a football coach trying to find the best in everybody. Everybody on earth was Pat Malika Willis on the back on the internet last night. He was trending for, I believe, five, six hours for good reason because we were all incredibly impressed and maybe surprised

by how good he looked in a preseason game. It is a preseason game. Vrabel said he's got to be more decisive. I mean, he's got to start throwing the ball more. he was looking to run immediately anytime there was a panic and that's very able just saying like hey in the nfl you're not just going to be able to outrun every single play now lamar jackson has been able to do that but his biggest conversation around him is he has become a better pocket passer because nobody can do what he can do on the uh by ground but there's going to come a time in a game late when the game matters you're going to have to sit in but there's going to come a time in a game, late, when a game matters, you're going to have to sit in there, there's going to be pressure,

and you're going to have to deliver a 25, 30-yard seed right into one spot where your guy can get it. It doesn't show up until it shows up. Will Malik Willis be able to win a bunch of games? Yes. Have we seen him be a pocket passer yet? I don't think so. I don't think we've got to experience it yet.

But it's a preseason game. He's got nobody fucking blocked for him, and they don't know the offense yet. So Vrabel's trying to remind everybody that there is still a lot that we need to figure out. He's probably been told by his people, hey, Malik Willis is taking over all of media right now. And Vrabel's just doing his coaching thing. But last night was fun to watch those football games. That, Tony Diggs, looks like you have some thoughts. I think the good thing about Malik, though, is he made the throw down the left sideline,

and there was kind of one on like a little bit of like a banana on the right sideline too where like you you he showed that he can do it like and that's all you're really timing too yeah they're like you can do it i think plus and you add those other things then it's great he looked good oh yeah he looked very comfortable very natural not that other people don't but i mean we saw tyra taylor running for his fucking life yeah and he was making some plays and that was like like Tyrod Taylor's had success in the NFL, so whenever you see him do some stuff, you're like, oh, that guy probably had some success. I think we all had that feeling watching Malik Willis last night.

Now let's transition back to the other game, Patriots and Giants game. Sports books seem to be on right now. No, they were off on that one. They were off on the Titans-Ravens game, but that was two and a half. Ends up being two. Obviously the Patriots cover. Congrats. Shout out. But the team looked a lot better Ends up being two. Obviously, the Patriots cover. Congrats. Shout out.

But the team looked a lot better than we had been hearing from practice. And Bill Belichick smiled before the game. Now, they ultimately go on to lose. And is it time to panic? Maybe. We shall see. But also, I feel like every Patriots fan that watched that game or every national media person that watched that game was like, Oh, this is vastly different than all the headlines.

I don't think there's a call for panic up there yet at all. No, not at all. Didn't think there was yesterday. Definitely don't think there is today. I think there's a chance that the Patriots' line to win the division actually is now even again with the Dolphins. They're both plus 475, I think. But, no, it was great.

I mean, you couldn't really get a read on the offense, although they threw the ball 40 times combined with Bailey's zip on the ball, Zappy and Brian Hoyer. Zappy zipping. He had two touchdowns last year. Let that man throw. Yeah, that guy can sling. Well, that's also perfect for their offense because I think Max is going to be doing a lot of that. No fullback

this year. That seemed to be the big convo going in. Yes. Not like how the Giants are going to do. No offense to the Giants. No, not at all. Giants, we hope you do well. Yeah, of course. We hope you do well, Giants. Art Stapleton said to the Giants. No, not at all. Giants, we hope you do well. Yeah, of course. Art Stapleton said it. The ceiling is five, six wins. And Art Stapleton don't fucking lie.

No, he does not. Art Stapleton knows he's shaping and covering the Giants for a long time. Long time. NorthJersey.com. He's a dog. Absolutely. Our picture, I believe, is still his Twitter cover. Let's go. So we appreciate that. But my biggest thing watching that game was, what are the Patriots going to look like?

And do they just look like a team that isn't even functioning? It sounded like they weren't even going to be able to get 11 guys on the field. Yeah, exactly. It sounded like they were going to have offensive linemen tripping all over each other. Like wide receivers weren't going to be running the right route. 21 points, not bad. I think there was some upside.

And I liked watching Mac Jones on the sideline. Mac Jones seemed to be very comfortable with where that team was. and i'm not saying mac jones knows because he's young he doesn't know shit about fuck in the nfl but like mac jones seemed very comfortable everybody on that team seemed very comfortable and you text me what like 10 times saying bill sandbag and everybody yep is that real that's a real thought right absolutely and one of the plays too towards the end of the game where we were down by six, it was like 20-14, and Bailey zip on the ball, zap. He was marching down the field, and I think it was like a third and four

or something inside the red zone, and lo and behold, there's a timeout, and who's talking to the quarterback? Bill Belichick. No, Judge was calling points. Judge was calling points, but who's the quarterback talking to right before probably the most important snap thus far in the season? Bill Belichick. Still preseason games.

He can't take anything serious. But there was some media questions to Bill Belichick afterwards because you guys lost to the Giants. That's right. Lost to the Giants yet again. Graham Gonneau drafted the same class as me, by the way. Still bombing balls. Hit a kickoff eight yards deep last night.

He's 35, 36 years old. Keep going, pal. I appreciate you. Florida State monster. He was a punter in college then became a kicker. He's a stud. I'm very happy for him and thankful for him. They get a win off his toe.

Bill Belichick after the game, which while watching, I think everybody thought, oh, the Patriots aren't as bad as everybody's. The defense, by the way, there's like 11 in the frame. Really good. There was 10 in the picture. Everything you said about having deep in the frame. Really good. And a lot of times, there was 11, like 10 in the picture. There was a lot of, everything you said about having deep in the segment.

I watched Patriots. I was impressed. After the game, Bill Belichick was asked about the offense and the entire thing going on. And Bill Belichick, this is not a segment. Bill Belichick had another amazing Bill Belichick moment. And we're only one preseason game into this thing. Just really quickly, just to follow up if i could

you mentioned earlier um with the offensive play caller you're going through a process what do you need to see to make a final decision i just we're going through a process okay it's just a little bit of a an unusual situation for us that have watched you guys before and so i guess we're just looking for a little clarity as to why. Yeah. Going through a process. Okay.

Alright. Thank you. The great is my favorite. Hey, we're just trying to get a little quick. Great. He actually grunted into the microphone at one point. Alright, thank you guys. I'll see you later. Bill Belichick. He doesn't give a fuck

about anything. No. The process is real, though. They're going to have to go through some shit. Got a brand new offense, brand new play caller, let alone the fact that the play callers are potentially defense coordinators, special teams coordinators. I mean, that's a whole other ballgame. But instituting a whole new offense with a young quarterback and a whole system, and this is what training camp is for, this is what practice is for.

You're supposed to get better. You're supposed to go through your process. But the way that he just handles things will always be fucking top notch. And he's the greatest GM and greatest head coach of all time. There ain't shit that reporter can do about it either. I like that the reporter sat in the pocket a little bit. Oh, yeah. Hey, we're trying to write some stories on like

what's going on. Great. Okay. Right. Going through a process. Probably the only way I'm going to do it. I love it.

And hopefully we'll see a little bit more of that, but it feels like Bill Belichick is going to have a year where this is going to be a big fuck everybody Bill Belichick year. Yeah.

Because he knows that everybody is saying that they're terrible, dumb, making a bad decision, won't be able to win without Josh McDaniels. And I have a feeling after watching last night, us playing

that goddamn fiddle on the Titanic's the right move. It's Bill Belichick still, and we need to remember that time. It also might be one of those things where they might start 2-4 or 2-3 or whatever it is. But come December, they'll be around. They're going to be around. What if we're on freezing cold takes?

I was saying this right here. It's possible, I guess. If the Patriots are 0-10. 0-10. Not a single win. Bill Belichick's got the disheveled, fucking terrible cutoff on every single press conference. His hair's all fucked. And he's like alluding to the end of his days

as in him. That could be the case. But for whatever reason, just the last two and a half decades, that's not the right side to be on. And I'm just going to continue to roll with that, I think. Exactly. And just keep in mind, in those first 10 weeks, we play the Bears, and they are so bad.

So I think we will have at least one win by week 10. I will say this. Unfortunately. I mean, the Bears do not play. When are the Bears' first preseason game? Tomorrow? Sunday? Is it tomorrow or Sunday?

They play the Chiefs Saturday at 1 o'clock. So tomorrow. Tomorrow, 1clock they're playing the chiefs chase pretty deep i think they're a pretty good team a lot of winners over there you guys are not actually i think that's what people are saying i am pretty pumped to get eyes on uh these new teams that are being created like the bears that's going to be fun to see because a lot of negativity coming out of bears camp right now a lot of negativity coming out of chicago bears organization as a whole there's gonna be a dome over soldier fear uh field don't don't you worry about that actually they're moving out of chicago see ya oh we got a new ownership we got a new gm the best player we got is saying this place doesn't know how to talk to people get me out of here i mean they are battling through a lot but just like last year the texans are trying to institute something new. They were able to win some games.

Maybe the Bears are able to do the same because Justin Fields might be a guy. People are saying Justin Fields' improvement from this year, from last year, is through the roof. Where are they saying that from, though? Everyone's saying it. Wasn't he always good in practice, though? He was always good in practice, right? It was just whether or not during the games the offensive line could protect him.

He was good against the Steelers when they were on prime time. They scored 24, 27 points or something. But they lost a lot of people. He could be a guy. Absolutely. He could be a guy, and we'll have no idea. Because the Bears could. Never gave him the opportunity.

And that could happen. He's already on his second head coach. It's his second year in the NFL. And way better. Not like that scumbag we had before. Yeah, this guy's a defense coordinator. He's much different. I mean, I'm sure a lot of quarterbacks are excited whenever defense coaches year in the NFL. And way better, not like that scumbag we had before. Yeah, this guy's a defense coordinator. He's much different. I mean, I'm sure a lot of quarterbacks are excited whenever defense coaches come into the team.

But Ibraflus will be able to bounce it. I've heard nothing but positive things about Ibraflus from everybody in Indianapolis. I'm sure it won't be a big deal. But he's already on his second head coach and second offense coordinator. So already on his second system. I mean, who knows what the turnover will be in two years from now when he's going into his fifth year probably as a first-round draft pick. Yeah, they're currently burning bridges with the best player on their team too.

So are free agents going to want to come play there? Can they even draft and develop? Do we know? Well, we have no idea. This is why we need to get eyes on the new program. That's your money talks. That's why we couldn't. Well, money, I don't think so.

They offered Roquan a lot of money. They had a ton. But it was back-loaded with a fuck-over team. And I like all these, and I don't think so. They offered Rook one a lot of money. Yeah, a ton. But it was back loaded with fuck every team. And I like all these, and I don't want to get into this because it feels like this is becoming a reoccurring thing. When guys represent themselves and cut out all the bullshit, I would like for everybody to stop acting like this is such a negative thing. The people that act like it's a super negative thing

are normally the people that have their hand in the cookie jar and they're telling other people to tell them this isn't a good idea. Some guys are able to handle their own business. Not everybody. I think agents serve an incredible purpose to the world. I believe lawyers serve an incredible purpose to the world. I don't think they're needed as much as they think they are in a lot of different cases, but certainly important. But if guys are going to represent themselves and they've showcased that they have the ability to do so and they want to so, and it's the best way to go about doing things for them. That should never be talked about as a negative.

Pornhub Arcoosh, obviously the man who has a Hall of Fame vote and everything like that up there in Chicago. Everybody on earth knows he's terrible. He went on a full rant about how this is why players shouldn't represent themselves and have an agent. Okay, Pornhub, you want somebody else to get into this guy's pockets and into his bank, even though you'll probably call him dumb anyways and fiscally irresponsible, even though he's cutting out another hand into his own bank. It's just like if Roquan wants to do his own business,

he should be treated as such and do his own business. He is a hell of a player, though. Now, Poles has come out and said, it's made it difficult. Poles, you haven't done a fucking thing. Dude, you have not done a single fucking thing yet. Now, he's a former player that's a GM, so I'm, hey, let's go. I like any former players that are getting any jobs. But just the whole acting like him representing himself is the problem.

I don't think that's the case at all. If he had an agent and was asking for exactly the same thing that he's asking for, everybody would be acting like it's just, you know, status quo. But since they're dealing directly with the human, they expect them to be like, oh, no, I'll take less because I'm lucky and happy to be here. No, he's a fucking businessman who sees what's happening around him, is a very good player, would like to get paid for that, and also maybe doesn't want to go down on the sinking ship that is currently going down and waste all his years. Yeah.

Whoa. I mean, those are all just real things that the agent has no idea about because the agent doesn't know what a fucking good team looks like or not. Yeah, very real. Potentially, not all agents. They're smart agents. Once again again i'm not burying everybody i'm just saying there's a lot of bad agents out there that people go to bat for and it's like no those motherfuckers get run out of the league i am happy about yeah and like you know he is a businessman and he probably also knows like hey i my job is pretty dependent on you know the defensive line and how good they are they just

traded their best defensive lineman khalil mac, and their other best defensive lineman, Akeem Hicks, signed in Tampa. So it's like, hey, if I don't get a deal done now, there's a chance I don't have that. So I'm supposed to take a hometown discount and be on a terrible team? Yeah. Oh, got it, because I fucking love it. Yeah, all right. Okay, and this is not the people that drafted me,

not the coach that is here. No. And we're thinking about getting a dome on this place. I'm fucking with the Urlackers, okay? Yeah. That's what I think back. I think back to the dogs, the dickies, the muckies, the fucking Urlachers. This isn't the Bears that I come to know.

You guys are going to rebuild. I'm in the prime of my career right now. And obviously people are going to come out and bury him for even thinking like that because what a fucking asshole. These teams are getting billions and billions of dollars every single year because of the product that's on the field good business by the teams by the way i think they should do that they should continue to do that but if the player thinks like a business person and uses his brain player by the way has always been told oh

they're dumb stupid now using their brain all of a sudden it's a bad thing because the chicago bears don't know how to act right and that is not think, a good narrative that I would like to continue happening around. Well, and also if a guy is representing himself, he's probably intelligent enough to understand if he's getting fucked over. So when the media or the team or whatever is like, oh, this selfish asshole is asking for this. We offered him this much money. He can understand the contract. Over the last couple years i feel like uh i don't want to say we were the only people a lot of people have done this so i'm not

gonna do that but the exposure of what's real and what's not real in these contracts that have been reported by the way for 30 40 years yeah be remember there was only one report of what a contract was and that was gospel and then that was put into the internet that was put into every article and that was put onto every article and that was put onto every single player hey you you're fucking you're worth a hundred million dollars i saw it well like no actually i had to cure cancer to get the fucking yeah i had to actually kick two field goals i'm a tight end i i mean there was i guess it was in the contract at some point it was in there i could have earned it now they would have to put me on the field to kick those field goals and i also would have had to get to a lab like six days a

week during season but if i would have done those things i would have got that money so you're right that money was on a piece of paper at one point that i signed my name but i never got it and that became a much bigger issue as opposed to just what other guys are worth and everything like that but family friends community thinking people are worth this exact thing and it wasn't that at all it was vastly different. Not everybody's great with their money, but then the story gets even worse. You blew through $65 million. It was like, well, actually, I only got like $7 million in taxes.

And yeah, I did. Have you ever seen blank check? $1 million is not real. I actually did do that. Yeah, I got myself a watch, car, Benzo house. Yeah, I wanted to live a little bit, and it's all gone. So I just think now we learn a lot more about contracts and what rapport said about the roquan offer is that that thing was backloaded not guaranteed nothing like that it's like yeah

they were trying to fuck him and he caught it which i don't love by the way allegedly we're trying to fuck him we did not see the contract no i don't like the polls trying to do that yeah but backloading too like it's alleged but if it's backloaded I don't like the polls trying to do that. Yeah, but backloading too. It's a legend, but if it's backloaded like that, it's what they're trying to do. Yeah, but I don't like the polls doing that. Oh, not at all. This is how you're starting your run, polls?

Best player going backload fucking deal? What's that all about, polls? That whole division. What's Kwesty and Doeful Mensah doing too? Oh, yeah. Our quarterback stinks. Our quarterback, I mean, he can certainly take a snap, but I mean, is he Patrick Mahomes? Nah.

Is he Aaron Rodgers? Nah. Is he Don Brady? Nah. Matthew Stafford. I could do this all day, the GM said. And everybody, is he lying? It's like, no, but also, you're the general manager of the damn team.

Let the pundits see. Stephen A. Smith is back, by the way. Next week, next week, he's back. Monday, can't wait. Back, back, back. Hey, baby, Stephen. Hey, upshores, okay. Big surprises. Really?

Molly's been saying all week, big surprises on Monday. Bro, think about Stephen A. been cooking for the last month. He's coming out. He's coming out 400 miles an hour. There's 17 promos coming in the first five minutes, and they're all going to be electrified. They might shoot him out of a cannon over the Brooklyn Bridge.

That'd be sweet. And it lands right into his chair. Into his seat, yeah. And then it just right into him. Let me. And he goes on about 10, 15 different things. I cannot wait to watch that. They do a different guy or girl every day

to go up against him, like Michael Irvin and like they did last year. He's been prepping, I'm not sure. You know who they need to get in there? Who's that? The man that's joining us right now. Ooh. This guy, he has expanded his role in the football universe this season.

Here we go. This man has obviously been the face of a sport for like 20 years. Incredibly handsome face. Oh, yeah? He was a college quarterback. Okay. Now he's an NFL commentator, the face of college football, and the father of our basic first ever intern. Yeah. Ladies and

gentlemen, living legend, Kirk Herbstreit. What's up? How we doing? Thank you for joining us here today. You know, it's a monumental day, Herbie. Not because I know you're getting ready for the NFL season and college football and you're about to take over the world this fall like something you've never done before even though you're already at the top of the mountain but because today is his son Jake Herbstreet's last day of

his internship here Jake did not know his dad's coming on here Jake won't you come in here Jake come on in here Jake hey you should be incredibly proud? Come on in here, Jake. Hot feet. Hey, you should be incredibly proud. This kid turned in to be a fucking weapon for us, an asset for us. He made our show better, made our office better.

He's obviously handsome. And he put together a pitch deck today. You can't come over. He put together a pitch deck today that was like 30 slides. Had his laughing probably 10 to 15 times. Oh, yeah, very good. He did a hell of a job here, Harvey. Come on, Harvey.

I love to hear it. I know he's had an incredible time hanging out with you guys and has learned so much. So I know he's grateful for the opportunity, and I'm grateful you gave him the chance, and to all the guys that helped him along the way, man. He's a hardworking kid and wants to learn, and what better place to learn than with you guys? Well, nobody has ever said that in the history, man. He's a hardworking kid and wants to learn, and what better place to learn than with you guys? Well, nobody has ever said that in the history of anything.

But I do appreciate the fact that you kind of forced this on us, mostly because, and you know, Herbie, I have a lot of respect and thankful for you. You're the person that got me on game day and, like, took care of us so well. You've always been incredibly kind to me, so I've always been very thankful. So whenever you pitched us this, pitched me this, it did

kind of feel like a force but i was you know excited to do it excited to do it he's been awesome yes he honestly from the days of he came in here no laptop remember that oh yeah part of the pitch deck today no laptop then he had what the 17 day vacation yeah and then ever since he came back, dude, we're talking editing videos, podcasts. We've run a couple of his commercials on this show. Reels, TikToks, Photoshop. He's gone into

the meme game. You've done absolutely incredible, man. You should be incredibly proud of yourself. Thank you. Hey, you made a good kid here, Kirk. You know that. I know. I'm just grateful the kind of kid here, Kirk. You know that. Nice job, Kirk. I know. I'm just grateful the kind of kid that he's turned out to be. I got four boys, and he's a great kid.

I'm very thankful to hang with you guys. Yeah, I see you, Jake. You're the man. Hey, go on, Jake. Go on, Jake. Hey, Pat, you know what it's like, though, man? You know, you go to college, and the real world is so different than college. And so, forgetting a laptop or not having a laptop or communication or anything that it is, and then getting real feedback, it's like this is real life. So he had a great experience and learned so much that'll help him down the road so we were lucky for him man honestly because there were some things that took place in our office obviously over the summer

and if it wasn't for the extra man that we had in there i'm not sure we would have been able to make it and honestly i i don't know if we'll ever do another intern again i mean they're gonna have to live up to a lot though like exactly mitt was the first time I was forced to have an intern from his dad. I was forced to have him like, hey, come on. I've literally known him since he was a kid. He's like, he wants to get into this. Mitt started working here. Fucking Mitt still works here.

He was our youngest employee for a long time, so he was happy Jake got here because he didn't have to do the trash anymore and all the low-level shit. Now Mitt's got to get back. That's going to be get him hey welcome back but like jake jake was awesome for us man he honestly was he was incredible and he asked me we started talking you know about him getting back to college and you know because normally if you get an internship like this with the job that he could get right now if if he wanted it, we wanted to pay him and everything. And we started talking about his future and going back to school. I was like, just enjoy it, dude.

Enjoying it doesn't mean like you don't have to go get hammered every night and like party every night, but like enjoy the lack of responsibility. Enjoy like just going to school, accomplishing things with your friends. I think you should still work on editing and some other stuff that you've become very good at, but you should be looking at school right now as like, let me enjoy life a little bit, travel with you a little bit, do your thing, and I can't wait to see what he ends up doing. He's a special dude.

You got a good kid, man. Yeah, man. Thanks so much. Again, that's great advice because you're right. He's got another year to just be able to just be a college kid and then kind of figure things out from there. But Ty got a weekend, and Jake got a summer end. So I know Ty's living vicariously through Jake. So they both had a great time getting to know all you guys.

Wait until you see Jake's deck to describe his time here. Top notch. Top notch. Top notch. Unbelievable. It was, I didn't know what we were walking into, you know, because I completely forgot about the pitch deck, by the way. Oh, yeah. We had his brother Ty do it whenever he left because he was here for four days.

We were like, all right, we want a full presentation on what you learned. And that was obviously not real. But then he did it. And I had forgot all about us making Ty do that and telling Jake, like, can't wait to see yours so yesterday Jake told us like I got a presentation tomorrow and we were all like oh shit

completely forgot about it but then we walked in this morning he was ready he had music he had music for this thing yeah he even told us to shush one time shush shush there's going to be sound. It was a really cool experience, and I'm thankful for him.

All right, let's move on, though. Let's move to you. How's it going getting ready for the NFL? Obviously, we'll dive into some college football stuff because the landscape's insane. But this season, Thursday night football alongside Al Michaels on Amazon. Do you feel confident? You feel comfortable in the knowledge of all the NFL teams, all the players, and the stories and everything you're going to have to know to go in there on Thursday night and kick

off each NFL weekend? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously we're learning even through camp. You know, there's injuries, there's different things that are going to come up. I'm doing a Rams game next week, next Friday night, actually a week from tonight with Al and Freddie Godelli, the producer. We're just going to do it.

It's nothing that will actually be out on air. Just a little bit of a walkthrough, really, and a chance for us to maybe work out some of the kinks. And then the following week, we'll actually do a real game with the Texans and the 49ers. It will actually be streamed up on Amazon Prime. And after that, we start up on the 15th. So in the meantime, I've just been here in Cincinnati. You know, PFF is here. I've been working a lot with those guys, talking to a lot of different people,

had a chance to go out to a seminar and meet Sherm, Aqib, Witt, Fitzpatrick, Tony Gonzalez, just a lot of the guys that are going to be in the studio show. And just a chance. You know what it's like when you start something new? It's like when you went over to get up. You know, you just kind of, not just the job itself, but just a little bit of a feeling out process just to kind of get comfortable with people.

And Al has been incredible. I mean, I couldn't ask for anything more with how welcoming he's been and how helpful and cool, just overall just a good dude. So that's been great. So I feel like I'm going into a really good group of people, and I'm just anxious to start up. We don't get going until the 15th. That's our real first field game.

Hold on, though. Herbie, next Friday, are they going to cut some clips and social, or are they not able to do that, you think? You know, that'd be cool. I don't know if they're going to do that or not. You know, as you know better than anybody, these preseason games, I've never really dialed into the NFL the way you guys are starting to kind of have to dial into college.

I've never really, like, you know, paid you guys are starting to kind of have to dial into college I've never really like you know paid attention to like pre-season football I didn't realize like the Rams you know I'm doing their game next week I don't think I'm going to see a guy that may be an offensive lineman but other than that there's not gonna be a guy out there that's that's going to be a starter so you know the games will be done a little bit differently but um you know again I think it's more about rhythm and flow and cadence and just feel with Al and I. But I don't know. I don't know if they'll put any of that stuff out next week or not.

I can't wait to hear how it goes. Excited to see you call. Games on Thursday starting on the 15th. Hell, yeah. Starting on the 15th. Here we go. Congrats to you guys on the college football opportunity with Omaha. That's incredible.

That'll be fun. There's some worry in his voice. We're going to steal a rating. Herbie? Yeah, listen. We're going directly against you. No foul, Paul. Hey, it's a we thing. We'll be watching you. Hopefully you get a

ton of viewers. I think that would be great because at the end of the day, your friends who you don't care for, ESPN, they're just going to because at the end of the day, your friends who you don't care for ESPN, they're just going to look at the overall number. If you guys add to that number, obviously that's huge. Kind of a sellout move by me, but super excited to do it. I don't know if it'll be all primetime evening games anyways.

I think we've been told three weeks out we'll be able to pick. And let's talk about that. The new landscape of the college football media world. We thought there was a chance maybe we'd get a Big Ten game. You know, we got a lot of Big Ten connections. That ain't going to happen. This is going to be SEC pretty much, huh, this upcoming fall? Two more years, it's pretty much status quo.

Oh! Yeah. Yeah, so this year and next year it's it's pretty much status quo so oh yeah yeah so this year next year it's oh what like my my opening game this year is ohio state notre dame my fourth game is ohio state wisconsin both those games were at the shoes so we've got we've got two more years of doing um doing the games that we've always been doing. Okay. Yes.

Wow. Do you know how big that's huge? Yeah, man. SEC people don't care for us at all. SEC people do not care because they know we don't know enough. Big Ten people are at least like, all right, we've dealt with these idiots. We at least know them a little bit. That's huge news.

Hey, listen. I'm more than happy. I'm only a couple hours over from Indy. If you ever want me to come in and do a quick little chalk talk. Bingo. We have our PFF. Here we go. Seriously.

I'll just break it down. We'll go. We'll just do like some low-hanging fruit stuff. Yes. That's what we need. And I know Connor needs all the help he can get being a Boston guy. He has no idea. Also,

I'm happy to help out. Okay. So you're, you'll be our PFF. Now you said PFF earlier there, you're learning about it. And why, well,

you know, cause you know, you're a football guy. You understand PFF can't always predict who's making the right plays because they don't know the coverages, but they are a great barometer. think of who's doing what and i think that never gets kind of separated from the two pff if you don't like pff you're always going to hammer home well i don't fucking know what the actual thing is it's like yeah that's true but also there is at least

some upside that pff has brought everybody i think personally, personally. For me, I talked to Chris about it, Collinsworth, and for me it was more about, listen, I watch the NFL. It's not like I'm oblivious to the NFL. Who doesn't watch the NFL? But there's a difference in the way you watch a game when it's just kind of on and your wife's talking to you and your kids are talking to you and the next thing you know it's middle of the second quarter and the next thing you know, it's middle of the second quarter, and the next thing you know, you've taken a nap.

If it's your team, you're dialed in, but if it's just a game, it's kind of on. And when you get ready to call games, PFF to me is more about not so much predicting things, but just more of a foundational understanding of who the Steelers are, or who the Chiefs are, who the Dolphins are, who the Cowboys are or who the Chiefs are who the Dolphins are what's up with the Eagles so it's a little bit more about understanding team strengths and weaknesses and then thank God we have games to watch you know and then we start that's really the most useful tool for me over these years watching games like for you guys if you're not college football fans,

but you're going to start to have to be able to talk about them intelligently, you would just watch games. You know, like if you're going to do a Penn State game, you know three weeks out, just plug into the Penn State games the previous two weeks leading into that game, and it'll give you a really good idea. We're watching film. Here we go.

That's it. Hold on, though. Don't be getting yourself out of traveling over here to teach us shit, though. It sounds like you were trying to right there. We need you. I'll come over there anytime you guys want. Wait till you see the Thunderdome, Herbie.

Wait to see that. Is your dad knocking it out? Is he taking care of business? Well, Tim's part of a lot of conversations right now. I'll get a text from Tim. I was at Thunderdome 13 hours today. He always just assumes everybody's trying to fuck us at every single corner, which I appreciate and respect.

You need that, I think, in a construction project. You need somebody that's like, nah, nah, nah, nah. It's awesome. I mean, the sinks were just not something we talked about. What's that? Move it in. Why don't we move it in? Yeah.

Well, funny you say that. Because with lead time, manpower, you know, there's a whole – I'm thinking like week of opening of NFL season will be – Here we go. I think. Oh, this is happening. Like soon. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Hell like soon. Yeah. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. We can't, we can't afford another sit on it. Can't afford another, uh, full power outage at this place. We're currently at with what,

what, what are you going to do with that building where you are? You just selling it. So we, this was a, this was a 10 year lease here. Oh, okay.

So we're out there. We had an out though, that we had to tell them by a certain date. And that date was like right in the middle of, is the Thunderdome going to get done? You know, with the whole thing. So we had to make a decision. We went with it.

We're like, we'll get out. Thunderdome will get done. We're not doing paintball arena here anymore? Well, so there was going to be a couple of things. We didn't know if we were going to be able to give the notification for our out, which saved us, I think it saved us a few hundred thousand dollars in the end. We're going to have to pay regardless, but it ended up saving us a few hundred thousand dollars in the whole lease thing.

So we didn't know if we were going to be able to say, yeah, we need to get out. So we thought we were going to have to sit on this place for at least two years. We thought we were going to have to sit on this place for two years maybe. So we started thinking of ideas. What are we going to turn this place into? There was a chance it was going to be a European spa place with baths all over at one point.

Turkish bath. Turkish bath place at one point because it's set up pretty well. There was definitely going to be a golf simulator bar in here

at one point. That was, hey. Damn near happy. That almost happened. This place, we almost turned into a golf simulator bar owner group

and kind of put something together that we would want to hang out at basically is what we're trying to create. Good thing we didn't because that five iron bar who's got it down announced a week after that they were coming to indiana so it's like oh thank god we didn't do that there was a potential paintball war zone that was being pitched out there yeah

but we're getting the fuck out of here actually so what would be the biggest change for people who watch you guys every day what would be what would be the biggest change for people who watch you guys every day? What would be the most obvious difference between what they've seen all these years and what's going to happen? I'm sure you always do this. You come on my show. You start asking me questions. Come on. I'm curious. I know.

And I know you watch the show, too. So, like, we very much appreciate that. We very much appreciate you. I think we'll have. So I just go off call this morning with a british lad really british lad yeah scouser i do believe london town yeah no don't liverpool liverpool scouser uh we're getting some like telestrator stuff that we'll be able to so like everything should be a little bit better like i think we'll have a new studio obviously it's

gonna look similar, but different. It should be nicer. I think we're going up to 8K or whatever for our cameras. Like, we're investing in all that stuff. Our telestrator shit, though, in footage rights.

Yeah. Footage rights. Okay, it's not game rights. When we made our NFL Films announcement, I said, we got game rights. Hell yeah! We don't have game rights. We have footage rights. I would like to let that. I said, we got game right. We don't have game rights. We have footage rights.

I would like to let that, I guess I did cause quite a, uh, quite a conversation around some places. I apologize, but we're just going to, everything's going to be up. Also,

there's going to be a lot more people in the Thunderdome on a daily basis. Like, you know, there's going to be a lot more in-house stuff happening, which I'm very thankful for. So everything just should get raised a little bit. Our power will hopefully stay on and we'll have footage runs, Herbie, but if you want to stop by in that

schedule of yours, we'd be honored and pumped to make that happen, pal. Who's in charge of all the high def and the AK? Is that Foxy? Who's going to be running that operation? Yeah, so Zito, Foxy, the whole crew in the back. We literally just got the whole call was

hey, I need a baboon to be able to operate this show. You know what I mean? Like they were trying to put in some, yes, exactly. Because like film, the XOs, right? XOS system or whatever. It's easy. That isn't easy. There's a laser pointer there.

It's play. It's fast forward. It's slow motion. It is nothing. And I'm planning on having a lot of people come in that maybe know certain groups of positions better than I do, have them do a film segment with us chiming in while they're doing it. So I think we should be able to take the broadcast of footage rights game to a different place than it's been for a while.

What would be cool on Tuesdays with Aaron would be maybe you pick out. If that's happening. We don't know if that's happening. We don't know if that's pick out We don't know if that's happening. We don't know if that's happening. We don't know if that's happening. That has not been locked in. Oh, okay. Well, if you do work that out, how cool would it be to kind of go over maybe a few key plays with him

watching film? That would be insane. Well, I concur. And also, there's a chance that I'll have something on my desk that I can literally just stop at any part of the show, almost stop the screen. Like,

so when AJ does something toxic, I can start circling his face. You know what I mean? Once this, you're right on my desk. And then like, yeah, if Aaron starts talking about a play,

there's like a, we're going to have a thing that almost has a, or anybody that comes up, like anybody that comes on the show, they come on, there'll be a vault of plays that I can go into and hit and then open right from my fucking desk. So as they're speaking about it, I'll be able to...

That's cool. Yeah, I think so. It should be, it should help. I think everything should just get a little bit better, I think, I hope. So you haven't worked things out

with Aaron yet? What's that about? Yeah, I don't know. Listen, it's, that's a big commitment, dude. Every single Tuesday, Tuesday's his only off day, you know?

So like, it is a thing. Everybody's plugged into that. He's got to do that. That's great. It's great for you. Great for him. You guys have great chemistry together. To me, it's a no-brainer.

Well, back-to-back MVPs. The whole thing, though, is I never want to be intrusive to anybody, if that makes sense. I hate asking people to come on the show because I'm like, you have a thousand other things that are better to do in your life, even if it's just taking a shit and scrolling through your phone. It's always that thing. So I think it'll happen, but who knows? I don't want a carp for a horse.

I don't want any of that. It'll get done. I look forward to it. I'll watch it every week. I appreciate that. Herbie, any new deals you got coming up? He's plugged in with Amazon. He's plugged in

with ESPN. I think he's pro-football focused now. Any other big bags coming to the Kirk Herbstree thing that we should look forward to? Nothing. I know nothing. Sergeant Schultz. I know nothing. You're a suit now. I know nothing. Sergeant Schultz, I know nothing. You're a suit now.

I got my hard hat on. I just go to work. That's all I do. Have you thought about how you're going to survive this season yet? No. Have you thought about it at all? You're just going to... Oh, I'm anxious.

I'm most worried about my voice yeah that's i don't sleep well it's i can handle functioning i just i can't talk what do you have some secrets yeah so uh greeny gave me this whenever i was going through when i went to every single day and i was calling games and i was also luckily doing everything else. So this is what Billy Joel uses. This is the entertainer's secret. It's a spray. It's a spray that you just put in there and it's like an immediate. It does.

I think it's like Tordal, though. I think it covers up whatever damage you're doing. So tomorrow morning you're probably going to be in a bad spot. But this thing is a magic maker if you're ever – Text me the title of that. I mean, it's right. Uh, the title of that, I'll order some,

uh, send a photo. It, I mean, pretty basic ass marketing too, by them. Just dry ass bottle. And everybody,

I guess, uses this Broadway, like all the, I guess everybody does cool tuxedo. Uh, your question time for Kirk Herbst. Yeah. Herbie,

I know it was inevitable. And part of me is that is very excited to to see USC come play at Kinnick. But is that, like, with those two teams moving over to the Big Ten, is that good for college football? And as a Big Ten guy, does it pain you a little bit knowing that the Rose Bowl is just dead now? No. Ty, I don't know if it's dead,

but they're definitely going to have to change something that they've held on to forever. They've been very adamant about 5 p.m. Eastern, January 1st, Big Ten, Pac-12. And Ty, you know that being a Big Ten guy. And to me, my answer would be in this new world, wherever we end up in three, because it's not going to happen next week. It's going to happen in about three years before the next playoff when they expand it to 12 or 16 teams. I think that they should just be the home of the national championship every year. You know, instead of like bidding it out and moving it around the cities, it seems like half the time, I don't even know if the city's all that excited about having it. Just put it in Pasadena. Every year, that's the next chapter of the Rose Bowl.

And that way you stay, obviously, relevant. How much would they have to pay? They would have to pay so much for that, right? I mean, that's why it gets bounced around is because how much money everybody's forking up for it. Yeah, but they could build that in. There's just something. Ask anybody. Like last year, I called the Ohio State-Utah game.

If that Ohio State-Utah game is in any other stadium, still a good game. But there's something different in that setting that adds to the lore of the game. And I think if you put national championships in that stadium, I think it would add to it personally. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Rose Bowl guy. I call games from every stadium in the country and there's just something different about that scene because of its history and it and they've renovated it it's a really nice stadium so that that would be the answer to me is there something weird about ucla and usc coming to the big 10 absolutely i mean it is what it is you know, I think you have to be willing in the world that we live in to be open minded and you have to be willing to accept the change.

And instead of digging in and saying, well, we used to do this and we used to do that. I mean, everything's changing. NIL is changing, you know, transfer portal. So, yeah, it's going to be strange to see it, but it's kind of the new way we're doing things. Wait until, if you really want to talk about the next thing, you see this money that's coming into the Big Ten. If we're going to actually open up this can of worms about NIL, I think they're going to have to do a CBA. I think you eventually either pull away from the NCAA,

They're going to have to do a CBA. I think you eventually either pull away from the NCAA or you have to somehow create a, whether it's a union or an entity or I think whatever this new world becomes, if it's, let's say it's called the college football playoff world or leagues or whatever it is. I think you have to negotiate with the players and create a CBA just like the NFL does. And that way you avoid antitrust laws. And you talk about NIL. Here are the rules for NIL. Boom.

You negotiate that out. Here are the rules for transfer portal. Boom. You negotiate that out. By the way, the players now want some of that money that ESPN and Fox and all these NBC, all that they're giving these conferences. That's great. We'll take our portion, whatever, whatever,

30%, 40%, 50%, whatever that. Hey, home street, home street. That starts, because that's the next domino to fall, I think. Isn't a good move by these schools to get ahead of this to look like kind of baby-facing this whole thing? Take some of the TV rights deals and tell the players, like, we're just going to put everybody on scholarship. All the walk-ons, everybody that's on teams on scholarships this money will just go to scholarships directly from members of the team and then the top end guys are still able to make

their NIL deals their NIL money but I think like the the fact that there's still walk-ons I assume that's going to become a thing of the past right don't you don't you think that's probably going to become a thing of the past it might be Don't you think that's probably going to become a thing of the past? It might be. I mean, you could start to essentially become employees. The NIL part of it is important because I do think you should get a share of, I don't know what percentage that is. I don't know what's considered fair. But the players are definitely going to get a share. Yeah, but, dude, the transparency that is needed for a rev share is so, like,

that would be just as somebody that has gone through a couple rev share situations like you need accountants that are all on the same page you need like lawyers are on the same page you need the other entity to want to be uh very transparent and want to like kind of give you the numbers it's like i well that's gonna be a lot herbie i mean i understand and then you throw in Title IX and you throw in all the Olympic sports. I mean, it's going to be messy. I'm just saying I see this going. I'm not saying it's going to happen next week.

I'm just saying eventually this is where it's going to go. I don't know when, but it's happening. And I think the other thing is this. NIL, we're all for NIL. You know, again, the new world that we all live in. NIL is great. And if a player who's an established player, like when you're at West Virginia, you're an established player, if you can get a deal in Morgantown or in the state of West Virginia, God bless you.

Good for you. That's great. But this stuff with collectives and kids who are in high school, $8 million, half of them end up – how many five-stars end up being bust? How many five-stars that get a million dollars before they even step foot on campus end up being a bust? The kid at California, I guess, is going to Tennessee, reportedly getting $8 million for a three-year deal. Hopefully he plays great and he's a star, but man, I don't think that's healthy. I just don't think bribing players to come to a school is a healthy thing.

bribing players to come to a school is a healthy thing. I also don't think poaching players from smaller schools and bribing them to come to your school is healthy. It's recruiting. It's recruiting. It's not a bribe. It's recruiting. But I do believe there is a larger issue at hand. I think the world is changing massively, and the workouts are different, I think.

But, I mean, if we had a of millionaires on that West Virginia team, I don't know if they're showing up and doing bar was his workout at 6 30 AM the way that they went. Like, I think in the end, I'm not sure the chip on the shoulder that drives a lot of people to become great in a physically tasking sport. You know, it's hard to train whenever you're waking up and sat in sheets, I think is what they say in like mixed martial arts. So if these guys are able to become millionaires at 18, be great, and still go to work every single day.

You're talking about some of the most mentally tough and hardest working, the greatest work ethic dudes of all time. And we're just banking. Yeah, if they're able to do that, I will be so impressed. Just because I'm thinking about to me, I got a $40,000 loan app that had like 20% interest on it that showed up overnight and I was going out every night with it having a good time I couldn't even imagine being a millionaire more good time in West Virginia that's gonna happen that's gonna happen and yeah how are guys still staying I guess it's a whole new generation of kids that just have more focus than I did and more blinders on but that's gonna I think it's

gonna be tough to handle I honestly I think that's gonna be tough to handle i just don't know if that's the case i mean i guess time will tell uh the same distractions are there today that were there when you were there you know so or i guess yeah there's even more i guess with the access of everything you can have but also i think these kids grow up in knowing that everything is there like you know what i mean i think it's a whole different we shall see i think like 10 years from now though the case study sociology wise on why somebody made it why somebody didn't there was high hopes is now they're gonna start calling kids bust way earlier i guess you know what i mean like that whole thing just started happening are you worth the value you're being paid as a 19 year old to a school to a business and are they

gonna fire you then and then are you going through that that you normally go through at 23 24 19 like it is uh when you get money involved business involved feelings involved egos involved and a lot of hard work that has to go in that's just an interesting little case study i think that we're about to experience together for a first time hour two will be on the other side of this six-minute break. Fucking hit it. Let's go. Or a ten-minute break. God! That's on me, Herbie.

I got it wrong. But that is a real thing, like the human aspect of it. According to yours. Just happened with him out of Ohio State. Yeah. Now he transferred to Texas. By the way, wait until the collectives, who are right now all excited because they got this guy and that guy and they put in this.

Wait until some of these players don't pan out, you know, whether it's an injury. I mean, you go back. I remember when I signed at Ohio State, 25 guys signed at Ohio State. You know, when you go to a school like Ohio State, everyone's a lot of them are all Americans. A lot of them are all state best player in their region, best player in their state, whatever. And you look at that recruiting class on a piece of paper. You're like every every every single guy in this class is going to be a starter. Every every guy. And my dad played there and he coached at ohio state and i never when he dropped me off he said take a look around when you're just a freshman together look

at all those guys he goes if you have 13 guys left by the time you graduate if 13 play out of the 25 that'll be considered a great class 13 13. And I was like, man, you're in my head. I thought, dad, you're crazy. All 25 guys are going to play. He's right. Whether it's guys get hurt, guys get a girl pregnant, they got to move home, guys fail out, whatever it is, guys are bust, whatever it is, you dwindle it down. If you get half of a class. So my point is you're putting all this money up on all these guys are goings whatever it is you dwindle it down if you get half of a class so my point is you you're putting all this money up on all these guys are gonna supposed to make it and when they don't how does the collective respond and who tells the kid here's another thing like the nil deal because there's a lot of people coming to us they're like you need to start an nil agency and

like start signing guys and i understood that like in the moment that would have got us good pop. I think it would have got us a good pop. I think it would have made the kids happy. Like we're hanging out for the brand stuff. We're giving money to kids. We're thankful for kids. But what happens like a year from now

when somebody that we had done business with becomes irrelevant? You know, they don't like, they don't make it. They either get cut. They aren't starting anymore. I don't want to have to have that conversation with anybody. Like, hey, listen, they don't, like, they don't make it. They either get cut. They aren't starting anymore. I don't want to have to have that conversation with anybody. Like, hey, listen, for whatever reason, it's not panning out. And then that business has to end at some point.

Like, and it's going to end with a lot more people than it's going to go on to be good. And I'm not mentally tough enough to have that weighing on me. Like, oh, I got to tell this guy that we can't do anything with him anymore because literally nobody cares about him. But I should have seen this. Like that's, I mean, I guess I'm living in my fears by doing that, but that was my first thought.

But it's real what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. And God forbid a guy gets into some trouble off the field. And you mentioned for the brand and all of a sudden for the brand takes a hit, you know, like,

like brand X, Y, Z, all of a sudden a player gets into some off the field trouble. 19-year-old kids, by the way. These are 19. Now, man, I guess there's a chance shit is going to happen in there. Oh, yeah, for sure.

For sure. No, it's – and the only way we're all going to learn is looking back five years from now. You know, once we get to five years, look back and say, okay, wow, look at this, look at that. And eventually, it's not going to last. I mean, there are going to be changes. They're going to put guardrails up, put parameters out there. They're going to have to. There's just no way it's going to be able to sustain itself like this.

Well, kids, get your money while you can. I would never say that. I mean, there's a whole new set of problems when you get a bunch of money, but money provides a lot of freedom for a lot of people, too, and families that probably need it for a long time. Yeah, they're the really good side to nil because i've talked with players about it where they're able to they're doing things the right way they're making some nil money they're the money back home helping their parents pay for bills and i mean there's incredible

opportunities this isn't all bad doom and gloom like we said a lot of this is really good but you just have to be smart you just have have to be aware of things like collectives. I just don't know if that's healthy. But guys that are doing it the right way and their brand's able to earn them some money, that's fantastic because they've earned it on the field. A guy like Jackson Smith and Jigba get over 300 yards receiving in the Rose Bowl. It's one of the biggest stages college football has to offer. Everybody knows who this kid is. C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young. These are established

superstars. And if they're driving Bentleys or Ferraris or they're making whatever money they can make, God bless them because they play and they've earned it. And they're headed to the NFL in the meantime, makes him NIL money. That I think we all agree with. That's what NIL is about. But bribing high school kids to come to your school, that's not what it's about. Hey, there's some glaring red flags is all we're saying. Yeah. Anybody that has a brain and actually thinks about

and maybe has been in the situation before, the guys that some, I don't know, maybe it's a new generation that handles money and success and fame and everything a lot better than every other human generation in the history of humans. There's just going to be some things that potentially pop up. A couple more questions here for you, Kirk. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Kirk, we were just talking about it this week or last week.

How do you think USC and UCLA are going to travel to the Big Ten schools? Are they going to do weeks at a time or are they just going to operate in california during game week as if they're on the east coast time zone yeah i you know if they have back-to-back games on the east coast 9 a.m bloomington indiana november 22 degrees usc 9 a.m kickoff time local that's a 6 30 a.m local wake up for them freezing cold probably uh 40 sellout dry no wind like that's a fucking that's a scary game for usc i think real you know i think those games are scarier than going into a sold-out stadium you know into a wild atmosphere you know that they lull you to sleep with those early kicks with a half a stadium i i the only thing i think connor's if you have back-to-back weeks in the East Coast, in UCLA or USC, maybe then you would consider that.

But I think if it's just a, you know, I don't know if the Big Ten is going to do them any favors by not having back-to-back trips like that. I'm not really sure at this point. I think, you know, USC's experience with Notre Dame, you know, every other year they go into South Bend. But it's a fair point about noon kicks. How often will USC or UCLA have to play a noon Eastern kick, you know, because of TV? Northwestern, Indiana. That's the future.

I mean, with Fox, you know, a lot of their games are noon. So that would be brutal, you know. And if that's the case, you've got to go on a Thursday and try to adjust to the time zone the best you can. Yeah, but you won't be able to. And then going back, you're fucked too. I mean, we know that. Now, granted, they're kids.

They're younger than us. But that's it. I thought about having to fly from L.A. to Bloomington. That's literally what we thought. L.A. to Bloomington. And this is me being mentally weak and an idiot and a doofus and everything like that. But that's a 6 30 la at

least maybe 6 a.m la time wake up call game day then you're walking outside oh shit it is freeze right it is yeah it is freezing out there like that game could get you because i think indiana has a good quarterback too they have like a pretty good deep like they could just that they could that could become Iowa, Northwestern. I mean, there's a lot. Purdue. There's a lot of schools in the Big Ten, aside from the showcase schools that get brought down games.

Hey, there's a noon kickoff coming right down the fucking plate for these USC and UCLA teams. Hey, it's hard enough when you're in the East Coast. Like Ohio State, when they go to Evanston or they go to Champaign or Wisconsin. Man, we played Wisconsin one time. It was 12 p.m. kick, but 11 a.m. for us means we're up at like 6. We had guys sleeping, snoring on the bus from the hotel to the stadium.

They were literally – I'm looking around the bus like, who's fired up to play? They're sleeping late in the game. So, yeah, that's real man that's very real uh last question here only got about a minute go ahead tone kirk i've been hearing a lot about utah miami um texas maybe like is there anyone that could potentially win it this year besides georgia bam or ohio state well utah that that is a team that does not get the love that they deserve. I would put them in that category.

I would, you know what, I would put, because when you say the teams that you expect, it's Alabama, it's Georgia, it's Ohio State, it's Clemson. I mean, those are the teams. I tell you, Michigan's an interesting team again this year. People are almost just like, eh, it was a good one-off. They're done. They lost Aiden Hutchison. I wouldn't write them off at all.

I don't know about Texas. I do think Oklahoma is another team people are writing off because of all the hype about the coach leaving and the quarterback leaving. I think Oklahoma could be better. Oregon plays Georgia week one. That'll be an interesting game

to see if the Ducks maybe have a shot to be competitive coming out of the Pac-12. All right. Well, good luck this season. We appreciate you. Thanks for Jake. He's been amazing. And have a great football run, pal.

I'll see you at the national championship probably. And we'll both be, I don't know, this year we're not getting fat. We're not doing it. Right. All right? Yeah. Hey, man, anytime. Thanks for everything you guys did for Jake.

Really appreciate it. You guys ever want to talk college football, I'm here. We will. We need you. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Herbst here. Yeah! Here we go. Howdy, baby.

Here we go. Howdy, baby. Hot feet coming out of that bathroom. Obviously never ran since SummerSlam. Trying not to become fat, but I'm excited to be here. It's a great day. There's five preseason games today. There was two last night that we have to chit-chat about.

The talk table is here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor. One half of the hammer. Die! Cowboys 10 digs is here. FanDuel lost like a plus 600 Super Boost last night. They just handed to us. You just log in. Hey, what's some Super Boost tonight that they just give you?

It's like, well, we think the Giants are going to win, and we think the Ravens are going to win, and we think both overs are going to hit. We'll give you that for plus 600. And I was like, man, fuck it. Why not? Hit. We did it.

How you doing? Keep it moving. They were right on the two and a half. That seemed a little bit close. But it feels like we're off to a hot start here. Yeah, and the interesting thing, I believe Unders were 12-4 in Week 1 of

preseason last year. They're 3-0 to start Week 1 this season, so maybe a little bit more scoring this preseason than last season. But as far as the winners went, they went exactly how we thought they were going to go. They are who we thought they were.

Joining us now is a man who we thought he was. He is the face of Ohio. That's right. He's college football national champion. Damn. And he's the man that ended the actual playing career of the guests that we had on the first hour. That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hall.

Hey, A.J. What's up, dude? What's up, guys? Now, I would say Kirk would be more of the face of Ohio than me. And he lives in Ohio. Again, he's back. Nah, you guys, the Colt forced him out there. Remember?

Yeah, yeah. Pipe down. Because he picked against Ohio State one time accidentally. That's right. And then, obviously, everybody in Columbus with real sound minds was like, Hey, this guy has done a lot for us. This is Karen Colt. This guy has been representing Ohio State at the biggest level

on college game day and on primetime football. This guy has obviously done a lot of good for Ohio State. And then somebody else said he picked against the state one time. Remember that happened and you guys fucking all hated him. Is that what happened? AJ, were you a part of that crew? Is that what happened? I do not believe that's what happened.

But I agree, though. Kirk definitely would get some irrational fans that would say, oh, how do you pick against Ohio State? And what they don't realize, and they should realize if they listen, Kirk is the biggest Ohio State fan on the planet. He's the biggest college football fan, but he absolutely loves Ohio State so much. Yeah, people are crazy.

You know that. Yeah, well, especially in the... Yeah. Yeah. Just irrational football fans, fans which you know what that's what makes the game so special and by the way every single team is hoping for irrational football fans of their team you know those cults that go bananas are always the best environments the best atmospheres and also the teams that make the most money the ohio state cult represents for the north i believe whenever there's a hundred of them in the South, the Ohio State Colts says, don't you worry.

Us FIFOs up here will fucking hold it down in our love of a college football team, and that would be the Ohio State Buckeyes. Let's move to the NFL. AJ, did you watch any of the preseason games last night? There was some great plays, some good moments. Bill Belichick was awesome. It seems like they're going to be much better

than the narratives were being painted about them coming out of camp. Did you get to catch any of it last night? Yeah, I did. And, I mean, I think for anybody, there's no reason to panic for anyone no matter what happens in the preseason. But don't you feel like every fan base should be like, okay, like if you're the Giants, Daniel Jones moved the ball early,

looked good, didn't get in the end zone right away, but I felt like they moved the ball, whatever. Patriots, they seem fine. Their defense is going to be good. Their't get in the end zone right away. But I felt like they moved the ball, whatever. Patriots, they seem fine. Their defense is going to be good. Their offense will continue to progress. So, yeah, Malik Willis flashing, making some good plays. So, we saw what I think we thought we might see. How about Braves immediately afterwards?

He's going to sit in pocket, throw a ball. I don't know what you want to tell him. I guess it's cute to outrun all these guys that are going to be selling insurance in a couple weeks. Braves knows, though, that everybody was going to be high on Malik Willis. He knew that. So his answer – I assume he put over Malik Willis in other conversations as well,

and people are just taking that one sentence out of whatever his answer was and saying, look at how Vrabes talked about Malik Willis. It's like, well, he's his coach, okay? He's going to be a guy who's going to continue to try to make him better in however he's going to inspire him and motivate him to do as such but he took over the internet last night i think it's because none of us ever seen that motherfucker play football before we've seen clips of him at liberty i didn't know if he was going to be able to do that in the nfl though it's a big leap whenever you're taking on somebody at liberty and you're taking on somebody

runs a 4-4 drums 40 inch verticals and has the head of a shovel from Ohio A.J. and a bunch of other people. But I think that's why it was so awesome to watch. It was like, okay, this guy is going to be able to make the transition, it looks like, at least. It is a preseason game, but it looks like he might be able to have some success in the NFL. That was good.

Yeah, of course it's good. He relied on his athletic ability when he needed it and made some plays at the highest level. So, yeah, it might be preseason. I guess if you're Vrabes and you're thinking Malik Wills, we want him to be able to sit back there in the pocket and pull the trigger when he needs to, well, guess what? If I'm running a boot and there's four guys in my face,

I've got to turn around and throw a weird sidearm ball for a first down on second and four. Hey, Vrabes, listen. Can we fucking block somebody maybe? I won't just run for my life. Can we get a couple of the starters in here to see if I'll sit in here? I'll have a little bit more faith, you know, in the pocket if I know this guy's name that's blocking for me.

I talked to Luck about that one time, Andrew. I think we had one guy that had played on the punt team before going into some week. Everybody else was replaced. Jeez. And it was in the season. And I was, like, shoot nervous. I'm like, man.

I would be. None of these motherfuckers are very blocked. And I didn't tell them. I was obviously all day in practice. I'm like, hey, here we go, boys. It ain't no problem. The amount of repeats we had that week, though, was a problem. I mean, it was, I was, hey, no problem.

We'll get there when the game comes. It'll all be easier. It'll sort itself out. We might not even see this stuff you know i'm like publicly being very positive whatever you know i'm like here we go game day morning i was like was thinking to myself i can't be thinking about the blocking like i cannot i've never had this problem before in my life i just kind of get the ball and i just trust that i'm gonna have enough time and space and i'm gonna do it there was a game though where everybody's repeating and our practices look terrible i'm like,

man, I'm actually, like, I don't know if I'm just going to be able to blindly just go in there because it's a lot of exposure for me. My leg's up in the air. There's a chance. All you need is one person to fuck up that's never played a position before. You're dead. So I asked Andrew. I'm like, is there ever a time where you're like,

all right, there's a chance I'm going to get killed here today? You know, because he did get killed a lot. He's like, can't even think about it if it gets in your mind just get it out of your mind can't even just have to have faith that your teammates are going to show up for you basically and i'm like okay but i have been thinking about that he's like you need to get it out of there just somehow need to get out of your thoughts and you just need to have faith that your teammates they want this to work out just as much as you do they want the jobs and everything i'm like all right thank you andrew and I was able to just kind of get it out there. But before the first snap, there was a lot of me talking to me.

I think I'd grab this and just run this thing too. I think we could tuck our head and go. So I think there is something to maybe, if you're not with the one offensive line or if you're getting a lot of pressure, you're probably much more likely to pull the trigger quickly on getting the fuck out of the way, just out of a survival technique. But to Vrabel's point, NFL quarterbacks, like they are damn near daredevils at some point.

Like there's, you know, we've seen Aaron can move, but Aaron is, there's clips of Aaron sitting there in the pocket and a guy is literally about to go helmet to helmet with him. And he's just waiting it out and then boom, and then takes a massive shot afterwards. I think that's what vrabel was referring to right like i think i think that type of shit's what he's talking about but you i could see how malik willis would be like well i mean it's a preseason game man i don't know any of these guys and i'm getting killed every single time but that's potentially what he's alluding to you think or no yeah i think

so i think just because he knows like yeah your athletic ability and what you're able to do to escape the pocket and all that, that's great. But we want that to be something that you only – like you have to use if a situation occurs. Like normally there's going to be a time in a game when, hey, you're going to have to stand back there. They're going to hem you in. They're going to have a nice rush, not let you escape,

and you're going to have to pull the trigger. So I'm sure he's just trying to get him in situations like that because eventually he will be there. And we have to tell everybody that's going to tell us, like, no, he'll be able to win games on his feet. We agree. We completely agree. Everybody's able to do that.

But in the biggest of moments. When the big – it doesn't happen until it happens. We know you can do that. Now show us that you can do it the other way in the NFL too. You can stand back there and hit that fifth step and hitch and get it going. And by the way, first preseason game, probably not going to fucking do that. It's his first NFL game ever. I understand it's a preseason game.

There's a lot going on. You're tired. You're winded. A lot of people don't know what the play is, what the route's supposed to be. Yeah, just tell it. He's balling, though. I enjoyed watching it, but I did like the people reacting to Vrabel. This guy don't fucking know. He scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. He does know.

This guy does know, actually. You talking about that and you being able not to think about it and Andrew not being able to think, that is literally something that separates. Because you'll watch a lot of quarterbacks, especially earlier in their career, they get the snap and they immediately look at the line for a place to step up and go through. And I think you look at Danny Dimes who had a terrible, terrible line for his rookie, second, third year. I think that ruins like, you look at Danny Dimes who had a terrible, terrible line for his rookie second, third year.

Like, I think that ruins guys for their entire careers when, like, they start their careers and they're immediately just looking at. They're spooked almost. It's like they're spooked. Like, as soon as they see one thing that's not supposed to happen, it's like, I'm not going to, I'm not breaking another, I'm not getting another ruptured spleen. And that's like, I'm out of here, you know?

And that's like natural human instinct, I think. So it is. And then you're not looking at what's going on downfield and you're not timing's not right and it just ruins guys careers it's fascinating to think about the human side of it all you know we just chatted about that with the college football shit with nil there with herb street it's jake's last day by the way you got anything to say to him he's done a good job i appreciate you picking me up from the airport that one time, Jake, and I hear reports from all the boys that you're doing great. That was his number one moment. No, seriously. It was. It was.

He did like a 30. Wait, did you make him do another PowerPoint deck? We didn't make him do it. He reminded us that we were making him do it, which is even better. That's the type of shit you want, you know, because we had his brother do one when he left after four days. And we said, well, you're going to have to do a pitch to do pitch dick what you learned you know because it's a real business and that was at the time where we cared about you know the internship that's right we got to the point where you know we didn't

like all right jake you're gonna be here later you know and then then he did he did this last like five weeks i think he has just every day this guy he has access to everything on earth right now he's still got another year and a half two years of school he's in the middle of summer he's got i mean he's got a lot of life he could go live right now and by the way if i was him i would be so him for the last five weeks showing up every day grinding away on the tedious shit of like editing and fucking all this shit. Very, very thankful for him. And he reminded us yesterday, yeah, that we did ask for a fucking roundup pitch deck four months ago.

His number one mom was picking up you from the airport. And you go in the stadium. Ohio State legend, A.J. Hawk, talked to me. That was a big deal. A.J., look what you do to the youth. Changed his life. Unbelievable. Jake goes to Ohio State, correct?

Yes. Because of you. Oh, yeah. I'm always out those college bars. We'll probably run into each other. Changed his life. Unbelievable. Jake goes to Ohio State, correct? Yes. Oh yeah. I'm always out those college bars. We'll probably run into each other. Because of your guns. That's not a college bar, I don't think. It might be now.

At least half the people I saw in the video that I've seen from that place were in college. Or younger. Yeah, you know what? I have not been in that establishment. I'll have to check. You have not. Bullshit. I have not been. That's the downtown one.

It's a different one. I didn't know it existed. Anyways, we were talking about how these 18, 19-year-olds are getting millions of dollars. And by the way, I'm happy they're getting that money. I'm very happy they're getting that money. But it would be very difficult, I think, for me to wake up and do what fucking Boros was putting us through at 6 a.m. every single day, basically. If I'm a multimillionaire, I already have made, hey, Dad, how you doing?

Yeah, I've made 60x what you've made your entire life already. It's going to be hard to, you know, like the social experiment that is happening right now that we're in the middle of, it's going to be interesting to look back upon. You know, AJ? I mean, I have no idea. And it's not like the players, if people want to say, oh, how's the kid? What, $8 million the kid's coming from high school? Is that what he's getting?

Allegedly a California kid in Tennessee, yeah. So a guy like that or anybody else, it's not the kid's fault. If someone's going to say, hey, we'll give you $8 million. We'll take care of you, your family. Yes, thank you very much. This is awesome. But it's going to take a special mindset to stick with it every single day and actually be consistent and not just only work when you feel good like i think that's an issue but maybe the kids that can

handle all those millions of dollars and still like get better every year and still work then you're like damn this kid he's a stud that's exactly what i said to herpstree like the guys that are able to handle this i think are super humans because me i i got like 18 years old 19 years old are you kidding me dude i got a 40 000 loan i acted a fool, I got a fool. Like 18 years old. 19 years old. Are you kidding me? Dude, I got a $40,000 loan. I acted a fool. Yeah.

Acted a fool. Fool, fool. And now I'm much mentally weaker and a different human than most. But it's like, yeah, working on days you don't feel good is a fascinating thing. You know, like.

It's easy to work hard when you feel good. And when you don't feel good and you have 8 million bucks, it might be a little bit more difficult to go, know i ain't taking that vitamin b12 shot today okay i'm actually going to the hot tub what are you gonna do i'm getting paid eight million dollars to play here how much you getting paid like it'd be hard for me hard for a 19 year old not to do that i think like i feel like it's naturally just gonna like ostracize kids from their teammates too like if you have that type of money and you're living in a college town,

you're living way differently. Yeah, but you take care of the boys, I assume, right? Hopefully, yeah. You take care of the boys. I mean, you would hope so, but again, some of the— I don't know if you're having a bunch of roommates living with you. I think there's still a very clear divide between— I'm not saying this about any of the players that are on my team.

I would not out anybody on our team for anything unless they wanted to tell their own story. Sure. But if some of my teammates that would have potentially got big NIL deals just sent me a new gas mask or a bong, I think I would have been okay. Pretty easy to keep everybody happy. I think in college, you're like, hey, boys, we're going to get dinner tonight. It's on this.

Hey, the drinks are on me like i think there's but once again that's a very mature that's like a very mature mindset yeah would you have thought like if i'm 18 19 you get all this money like i don't yeah i don't know what i was buying drinks for everybody and i was buying drinks for everybody in the bar whenever i got a little bit of cash so i think but i don't know if it's a different time you know we were trying to take like pallets of the terrible gatorade shakes back to our dorm and different gatorades you're trying to sneak five and steal snacks out of the facility yeah there was some deli meat that came in that i fell in love with that they got i think it was boar's head i was sticking in bags shoving it in my backpack

stealing stealing yeah is that gonna happen anymore i don't think so i think they actually buy the store that is fucking selling it. And by the way, good on them. Good on them. But me stealing Deli Meat at that point in my life, I think, was also a driver and a motivator for me to continue to show up and do stuff. It's just the human side of it all gets kind of forgotten about whenever you talk about just numbers and analytics. It's like...

Rent a mansion somewhere near campus. The Airbnb would be so sick that I would be living there. Sweet pool party. Imagine if you were like in L.A. or UCLA or something. Can you imagine what you would get? So I used to have a party, obviously. And I'm only saying I had it because whenever it went wrong, I was the only one that got blamed.

So my roommates were also involved, but they didn't show any blame. And they also had a lot more to focus on as opposed to just details for the party that we were going to have. I hosted a party at the NRA training camp. Okay? They were pretty notable parties. Everybody knew about them in town. Cops knew about them in town. Coaches were at said party as well.

Was it your college house? Yes. Okay. Shut down the block, basically. We had musicians performing in the kitchen and in the front yard. I mean, it was a good time. I think everybody looked back on it and said, great party. Hell yeah.

Now, when 2.30 becomes 3, 3.30 becomes 4, and things are wrapping up, and some bad decisions are made by people that are leaving the party, and it kind of gets spotlighted. I think the party itself, super positive. Once people left said party and went and made other decisions, a lot of negative light was brought on to said party. I caught all of it. I caught all of it, okay?

So I couldn't even fathom if I had access to an Airbnb that I could have potentially put together some real shit. I would have had Cirque du Soleil performing. Yeah, hire a party planner to set it all up. Like, whatever you see on TV or on Amazon, yep, there it is. Ordering that. I need Red Panda front yard flipping bowls, please. You'll bring Joey Chestnut out there.

You would bring everybody you could think. Oh, my God. It would be great for the team. Gary Vee. Gary Vee is giving inspiration. He talks it, too. We go fishing with him. But the thing about it is.

He's fucking nasty at fishing. He's tremendous. He's launched a deep sea fishing company. Is he taking over the fishing world now? Yeah. He's a tremendous fisherman. But like. Sink. Watch your back. He's very at fishing. He is. What? He just launched a deep sea fishing company. Is he taking over the fishing world now? Yeah. He's a tremendous fisherman. Sink. Watch your back.

He's very good. He caught four fish last time he was out. Guys go off to a rhythm on a fly. Wait, are we serious here? He's fly fishing? Yeah, it happened this morning on the internet. It surprised all of us. Gary Vee is a tremendous fisherman.

Fuck Wicked Tuna. I'm so fucking better than them. Well, and the crazy thing about it is he makes this announcement just one day after a sturgeon supermoon comes out. It's like, well, the sturgeon supermoon is because the sturgeon in Lake Michigan up there is coming off the light of the water. I don't know if you know that. That's why it was named that.

That's why this particular month is when people catch sturgeons, I guess, in the lake. So the supermoon of this month became the sturgeon supermoon. Those things get huge. Oh, yeah. Hey, this moon last night was gangster. Did you see this shit last night? I'm talking the stururgeon Supermoon. Those things get huge. Oh, yeah. Hey, this moon last night was gangster. Did you see this shit last night? I'm talking the Sturgeon, the fish. Those things get huge.

I concur. They're prehistoric fish, by the way. They're allegedly 125 is what they live to. They've been around this whole thing. Yeah, I read up a lot on this moon last night. This moon was awesome last night. It was fucking massive, clear skies, had an orange hue to it. I mean, it was radiating.

Are you sure it wasn't an alien spacecraft? Well, funny you say that, yeah, because a drone came flying over the house. And, you know, you tweeted something. Yeah, overseas, South Korea, there's a couple. Nonetheless, let's stay away from all that. Yeah, Gary Vee's a fisherman. I would potentially have him bring the stick, bring the pole to the party and do a performance in the living room with little fish like from a state fair yep him dropping that thing

in there so that would be good for the team i think but to have that mindset of like investing the money that you're getting and your teammates and everything probably many people would call that fiscally irresponsible because now you got people that are money people coming into your life saying all right we gotta invest this and keep this for the rest of your life and do this. Those people, by the way, I'm sure they're not hustling you at all, seeing you as a 19-year-old kid coming from a family with no money. And this is what you need to do. This is the percentage we'll charge you.

I mean, it's just there's a lot of human aspects that kind of have not been thought about, and we'll kind of just see how it goes. But I think this generation is mentally tough enough to figure it out, but we just assume that humans are going to act like humans at some point and uh we're going to have to experience it i guess yeah it'll be interesting to see if kids actually do that because like kirk said in five years it'll be you know when you look back on it how is it then compared to now and there's nobody that these kids can ask like hey when you got your nil deal like what did you do like there's no real mentors for it right the only mentors that like you can think of our only real mentors are probably like aj hawk me yeah but even you guys didn't get to experience

like the nil like good luck handling the family stuff though that's the biggest issue with nfl players and professional athletes talk to everybody's spouse whoever like so many family issues of of hanger honors and people giving out salaries to family members and cousins and whatever and it's gonna sound terrible and I don't mean for it to, but not everybody's mom is a good person. Exactly. And I'm not saying that from one particular standpoint, but I'm just saying in general,

I think any time you hear a story about somebody's mom is pissed off at somebody and they're like, oh, what'd they do? Everybody just assumes that everybody's mom is super caring and looking out for everybody's best interest and everything. And I'm not going to pinpoint any of my teammates from anywhere that I've ever been. I'm very lucky to have Sally McAfee. I'm not talking about that. But I'm just saying, like, there's a lot of people's families that don't necessarily have the best interest for said person in it.

Now they use they kind of use it as leverage emotionally over guys. They get caught up in their own shit and it becomes a real problem. And that's never talked about. A lot of teams handle that kind of use it as leverage emotionally over guys. They get caught up in their own shit, and it becomes a real problem. And that's never talked about. A lot of teams handle that kind of within. But you'll see somebody's career kind of get derailed, and then you'll hear stories about their family and them not getting along, and everybody automatically blames the athlete. It's like, what if the athlete didn't change?

Everybody around them did in a negative fashion that isn't in your fairytale movie that you see how a mom or dad would act whenever something happens like that is also something that's real herb street talked about he said some of these guys probably get money sent back home for their parents to pay bills and stuff like that that's awesome take care of the family and people but there's also going to be people from back home they're going to take advantage of that with a 19 year old it's just like not everybody has the best intentions even even though I wish they did. And we have to treat the world as such, AJ. Yeah, we do.

Another good thing, I guess, like you said, Kirk, you can send money back home. At least now, hopefully, we're not going to have to deal with like the star player's parents couldn't come out to the game because the team wouldn't be able to buy him flights in a hotel or something. Now, hopefully, we can get that out of there so their parents and family can come see their kids play. Pep Hamilton cut a promo against me. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did he run? I was in the middle of a video.

We obviously ended the hour 22 seconds before this next hour started. Right. So I was sprinting to go. I have not watched it yet. I was trying to watch it. You ran a very fast 40. Let's see it. Let's pivot to Pep Hamilton, Houston Texans offensive coordinator,

former offensive coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts. I have a good relationship with Pep Hamilton. We talk damn near every game before the game, chit-chat about it. We get along well. And any time I do anything freak athletically, which would happen on a regular basis, he would compliment me and then immediately talk to me about how much more athletic he is than me, which would then run into a running thing about how he is faster than me.

And I told him that ain't ever been the case. And he wasn't allowed to race me because if I was to pull a hamstring or something like that in a race with our offense coordinator, there'd be a lot of people pissed off. So it was always just jabs. I asked Dougie Davis Mills the other day if Pep Hamilton happened to have gotten fat so that I can maybe hop on a plane, fly down there, take advantage of him because he is in incredible shape. This guy, great athlete, incredible shape, great shoe game, and I'm smart. I'm not in the best shape. Are you sure? Are you sure you're faster than him?

This guy. He looks like he's in great shape, and you told me he worked out every day. Let's watch their answer. I have not seen this yet, please. Let's go ahead. That's Pep coming in hot. I always told that like hey you're old ass start behind the line seems like he's on the line there though yeah You don't want this smoke.

That's fair. That's fair. I put it in the wrong way. He's so smooth with it, too. I saw the knee drive. I saw the knee drive. Let's get back to the run a little bit. With the call sheet, that's way him down. He got a whistle around his waist.

Around his neck, I mean. A couple pins. He's on the line there, though. Those are two different starts. Guy's cheating offsides already. Look at that form. He's on the line there, though. Those are two different starts. Guy's cheating offsides already. Yeah, for him. He's Tom Cruise and fucking. Yeah, that might be 4-2-1, not 4-3-1.

Slow finger. So you think, like, laser, that's probably 4-2? 4-2-7. That was a 6-5-40. I'll get you, Pep. Hold on. Let me. Whoa.

Yeah. Jeez. Sorry, Pep. Looking a little slow, pal. Wow. Yeah. You think now's my time to a little slow, pal. Wow. Yeah. You think now's my time to hop on a plane and ride out? Absolutely.

Are you kidding me? Say, looky, looky, Pep. Let's get on the line. Sorry, Smackdown. Go to Houston. Sorry. Supposed to go to Raleigh. Supposed to go to Raleigh.

Seems like I've got to go to H-Town. I'm going to go chop and screw some shit, get some lean, and then outrun the shit out of Pep Hamilton. Hell yeah. That's awesome. All right. Let's get to a break. We'll cover everything that happened in the NFL this week.

We'll get some phone calls on the 5 Energy phone line, 1-833-4-MACIFI. AJ, I think we raised some good concerns, mostly because I feel like we've experienced it and seen a lot of guys, you know? All right, I agree with you. Yeah, it'll be fun to see how everything plays out, but also a quick pivot before the break.

Are they going to find a way to suspend Deshaun so he doesn't play tonight before the game? No, he's going to play. I know, but they're trying to – I don't know. See what they're saying. They're trying to – maybe they'll have a suspension come down if they do before the game and keep him off the field, but then what? They're going to appeal?

I don't know. Yeah, between three and five they were saying if they announce it between then, then the NFLPA will have enough time to file a restraining order, I believe, which would allow him to play in the preseason game. It's working. That a baby girl. Second goal of the time. Nope.

Better have him fast. Browns playing 7-1-1. Jacksonville. Duval. Deshaun versus Duval with pools open. Wow. Oh, no. In the pool party paradise.

Uh-oh. As Sean Connors put together Don Duvall, Deshaun Watson will steal the headlines of this evening on the internet and everywhere. Trevor Lawrence, too. Good to see him. Oh, no. We got some breaking news. Oh, no.

Oh, no. I'm happy the music worked. What happened? A man that we were just complimenting yesterday for being yoked with a new haircut. Yeah? Kirk Cousins has tested positive for COVID-19. Oh. Adam Schefter is reporting.

Vikings quarterback. There's no reason to do that. There's no reason to do that. Quarterback Kirk Cousins. Already done. You might as well finish. Has tested positive for COVID-19. He'll miss Sunday's game.

What I thought the CDC just said yesterday, it don't matter. If I die, I die. Is that not what CDC said just yesterday? They say it don't matter. You're good. Yeah, that was only for people who were exposed to people who had COVID. Not for people who actually had COVID. You still got to kind of hide if you got COVID?

So that reporter he talked to doesn't have to go hide? Correct. God damn it. He were exposed. I mean, very much exposed. Yeah. He's an old guy, too. Hope he's Correct. God damn it. They were exposed. I mean, very much exposed. Yeah. He's an old guy, too. Hope he's okay.

We hope Kirk... By the way, we missed this in the original reading. We hope Kirk Croson survives. Yeah. That's right. Yes, absolutely.

He also has that mindset. Actually, he doesn't. I will say, I know, if I die, I die. He doesn't care. I understand that. But,

no NFL players have died yet. I don't think in this entire thing. But that should not waver from our support of him surviving this fucking thing that's keeping him away for five days. Well, and he changed his mind. He got vaccinated in the offseason, right? I don't think so. I don't know if anybody changed their mind this late. What? I thought he did. No, I don't think so. I don't know if anybody changed their mind this late. What?

I thought he did. No, I don't. I mean, AJ broke that news at one time about that one guy. I don't know about Kirk. He might have got immunized. He's got Jack and he's got a new haircut, but I don't know other than that. Jack, new haircut, and COVID-19. Shit.

God damn it. Everything seemed to be going Kirk Cousins' way, you know? We kind of forgot about the GM saying what the GM said. He debuted that new haircut, looked awesome. His biceps were hanging over his fucking arms while he was answering a question about Zimmer. He's no longer around. Exactly.

Now we hope he survives this. CDC said something about it. It ain't shit, though, basically. I don't know. I didn't read it right. What'd they say? They said it ain't shit. There's new guidelines, right?

Yeah, so don't worry. They said it ain't shit. Was that, like, right? Yeah. So don't worry. They said it ain't shit. Was that like in their official document? Verbatim. Yeah. At the top of it. I will let you know. I read it.

I'm not a good reader. I'm like Nick Cannon. I've told you that from Drumline. Yeah. I can't really read the music. I can kind of just see it and kind of repeat it. Yeah. So I'm not the best reader, but I do believe I read the new guidelines and it, my takeaway

was, it's kind of shit. It's shit. It's done. COVID ain't shit. CDC is finally admitting that it is what it is. It's just the flu. They did not say that. They did not say that. Alright, let's get to a break. We hope Kirk Cousins

survives. We hope everybody else that has COVID-19 for the rest of time survives. I dropped my mechanical pencil. It's got COVID on it. And music's still on. There we go. To Tony's point, they did misspell pandemic. The CDC? Yeah.

They spelled it with an L. Are you sure it was that? After a P. Is this? All right. Let's get out of here. New COVID-19 guidance from CDC focused on individual decisions.

Those exposed to the virus are no longer required to quarantine. All right. Congratulations. Here, new COVID-19 guidance from CDC focused on individual decisions. Those exposed to the virus are no longer required to quarantine. All right, congratulations. But if you get it, you still are. Unvaccinated people now have the same guidance as vaccinated people. All right. What do you mean? Put one on the scoreboard for the immunized.

Students can stay in class after being exposed to the virus, Okay? It's no longer recommended to screen those without symptoms. All right. I'm never having a goddamn symptom again, then, tell you that much. Thank you for not caring about us. Yeah, what the hell? We're the only people you're around. Actually, they just said if you're exposed to someone with it, it doesn't matter. Yeah, well, that's why I think I read that thing right there.

And, I mean, the takeaway from that, right, is saying shit. COVID doesn't matter. Yeah, well, that's why I think I read that thing right there. And, I mean, the takeaway from that, right, is this ain't shit. COVID ain't shit. Well, well, well. Well, well, well. Kirk's out. You probably didn't work. CDC releases that this ain't shit thing. And then one day later, guess who's out?

Kirk Cousins. Is this the GM? No. Could be. No, this is just one last COVID, you know. Victory lap? Yeah, we're taking the guy who said if he dies, he dies out one more time. And then we'll see you later.

COVID said, take chapter another round. Another round. Another round. You think he's the last guy in the NFL to test positive? I think so. This is it. Yeah. Bob's who?

Kirk, thanks for kind of putting a bow on this entire thing. Thank you, Kirk. Thank you, Kirk. All right, we to him. Kirk, thanks for kind of putting a bow on this entire thing. Kirk, thank you, Kirk. I remember that. Unfortunately, Kyle Allen has also tested positive, and we'll miss the game. It's really close. Yeah, but big time, who cares?

He's not a starter. Kyle Allen, of course. We hope he survives. Yeah, yeah, of course. I hope everyone who's got COVID. Kyle Allen down there in Houston, obviously. Right. And we don't like that because we thought Texas Heat

may be able to kick it out a little bit. Stay away from Pep. No. I'll go get him. Kyle, go kiss Pep on the lips right now. We hope Kyle survives. Of course. After he makes out with Pep, we hope Pep survives.

But we would like a heads up when Pep tested positive with symptoms because then I would like to race him immediately. Kid just hit a dong shot in ranching gloves from Wyoming. Awesome. Oh, that kid did? I've seen him online last week. Oh, really? I don't know he existed, but he just grabbed a bat and hit a ball to the fucking

moon. Yeah. That kid's probably the next Brock Lesnar. Let's keep an eye on that kid. Mm-hmm. Straight off the farm. What's his sport you nerds play? Well, you just kind of hit this, hit the ball. All right, you got it.

Here's some baseball gloves that, excuse me. What is he, 25 years old? I'm used to a fucking ax in my head. I'm used to an ax in here. I'm used to cutting down trees and wood or whatever. Give me the bat, give me the lumber He's mad that he had to use a metal bat This kid

This kid's pissed he had to use a metal bat But he said I guess it'll do Fucking see ya Bye bye Least shocking news of all time I have a pair of those gloves Exact same ones Yeah everybody does

Exact same ones We understand that you go out there You do your Sunday yard work. Well, I used to have the mechanics wear ones because those were nice and comfy, but then I watched fucking Yellowstone. Well, mechanics ones are better marketed than those ones. That kid ain't wearing those, Tony. Those are $16.99 at Ace Hardware.

Yeah. Foxy did not get you doing your shit there. Fucking do your dance, A.B.? Do your dance? What? Do your dance. Put that shit on. machine well let's get to the antonio brown quote all the time didn't know we're gonna talk about today so he's serious he's like he's that's well okay this is just him he's awesome that quote was on

the internet before it was on antonio brown's twitter account so we are still not sure if antonio brown said this on a podcast and then it was leaked and then he put it out or if somebody else said this for Antonio Brown and Antonio Brown said, yeah, this is exactly what I would. Antonio Brown tweeted out sincerely AB with a picture of a quote. It says, my biggest regret in my career doesn't involve calling my GM a cracker. All right.

These fucking crackers out here. Or showing up to Raiders camp late in a hot air balloon with frozen feet. Or throwing rocks at the UPS driver. And it definitely doesn't involve taking my shirt off and doing a victory lap around the Jets stadium mid-game while throwing up the deuces. My biggest regret is that I'll never get to see me, Antonio Brown, play a game live. Sure, I can watch the game afterwards, but I can't imagine what that was like for you all to see something like that. Like watching the Beatles or Jesus perform at Red Rocks. Antonio Brown on his biggest regret.

So, Antonio, you're right, pal. I got a chance to see you live. I got a chance to play against you live. It was exhilarating, demoralizing, and it was quite a show. Congrats to you maybe getting to watch your own film forever, though. NFL Plus now has the capability for Antonio Brown to go on the phone and watch a highlight of himself any time, and I love that. I also enjoy the fact that Antonio Brown is going to be a megastar,

and everybody needs to know that. Everything he does goes viral, and I think Antonio Brown understands that, and I think Antonio Brown, business-wise, is much more savvy than anybody's given him credit for. This guy's going to have hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, I think, personally. I mean, there's a good chance that the guy knows how to make a statement, knows how to stay out there.

I mean, he's performing at huge venues already. Like, when he's six months out of the league, like, this guy is everywhere. Whatever he does, I feel like gets picked up. So, do you think, like, how does he continue to keep up the hype train, though, for him? You know, the longer he's out of the league, it's harder to do. I think you just tell DJ, put my shit on. That's it. And then he just goes and does it.

I think that's just as easy as that, pal. I think it's literally as easy as that. So, Nick sent in an aisle, so I got DM'd last night, that it was a meme before he put that out, completely made up. So now the question is... No, no, no, no. But he might have said this to a podcast. Yeah, that's right.

And he might have quoted. No, no. Oh, you're saying it's ball sack sports. It was like yesterday. You're saying this is... Completely made up. You're saying it's McAulker? Now the question is, does he think that he actually did say this somewhere

and didn't remember it? I hope that's the case. No, I think he read it and was like, yeah, that's pretty good. That's something I would say. I agree. I think that's right. So these people try to make Antonio Brown look bad. And Antonio Brown said, actually, excuse me,

I'm going to get 30,000 retweets with this. Yeah, I'd love this. See you later. It's a good move. It's a good move. That's like when Prince did that with Dave Chappelle. Oh, about the entire Chappelle show thing? Yeah, and then he just made his album cover. Album cover. How about you were trying to say Antonio Brown's brain?

I didn't remember if he said that or not. Antonio Brown knows what he's doing. Put my shit on. Do your dance, AB. Do your dance. Do your dance, AB. Do your dance. I will when something good happens.

Almost the other day when we announced the NFL film's footage rights agreement and not game rights agreement, which I certainly said. Game rights means we could have aired the game. You get it. Well, I guess I do get it.

And probably most of the people that watched did get it. I guess there was some conversation about it. How'd that idiot get game rights? And I would like to let everybody know, last night as I was watching that Patriots thing and Bob's Discount Furniture had a little cutaway to his game. Yeah, I love Bob. I thought to myself, because it's all the local shit happening for preseason games,

I need to get to a point where we can get at least one game that we can put together as our own. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know how that's going to be expensive. They're paying fucking $90 million for one game on Big Sale Friday. Really? Yeah. Allegedly, that's the offer right now is just for one game on Big Sale Friday. Really? Yeah.

Allegedly, that's the offer right now is just for one game on Big Sale Friday. Amazon's offering $90 million or something for that. It's like, all right, we're going to have some work to do, boys. But when we get up there, I would like one game for us to be able to take over and kind of broadcast ourselves. Well, and that's not the only thing that broke this week that got talked about was the game rights. But also, you said there's a chance that maybe some of was the game rights. But also you said, you know, there's a chance that maybe some of these people who score touchdowns might

throw something in with the eight. Oh yeah. I think it's going to be, I think it's going to go gritty into the AB dance. And then it's only a matter of time for gritty and AB put out a song. And then it's going to be once again, AB's on top of the world again. Yep.

Just like he's, he has been literally every single day. He ran off the field mid game and was still on top of the world for the next two weeks just doing his thing. Then he became the head of Donda Sports with Easy. Then he goes and performs a role in LOD. Smoking cigarettes with Madonna. Yeah, then he's in Madonna, Floyd Mayweather. Cameo superstar.

Ben Rothberg. I know you said. He's up here, though. AB's up here. We all just need to remember that he's going to be there forever. Not to mention Danny Boyle's heart, which he just's up here. We all just need to remember that he's going to be there forever. Yeah, not to mention Danny Boy How's Heart, which he just mentioned back there. What'd you say? Cheech? Talk to

him, Cheech. Am I allowed to say that? Am I allowed to say Cheech? That's.01%. Yes, you are allowed. Oh, yeah. Okay, so that's an Italian thing? In some circles. Because I walked into No Big Deal backstage of a big-time band. They were performing, and it was their before show.

No Big Deal. Is it when you made Kings of Leon fall off the wagon? Okay, so it was Kings of Leon. It was Kings of Leon. It was before the wagon dip. It was before the show, not after the show. But, yeah, I walked in. My eyes were not very open.

I wasn't a big Kings of Leon fan at the time. I didn't listen to their music. It was whenever they were just getting into superstardom, they were at the amphitheater here in Indianapolis, probably with 20,000 people there. The place was backed out. I was very lucky to go. I was invited by a teammate to go meet them and everything.

And I took a trip to the moon real quick beforehand. I'm going to be at a concert. I want to vibe a little bit. Their music is very much like that. Hey, somebody. So I go in there. I'm trying to stay in a corner by the way. I walk in there. Shouldn't be here. Should not be here. I'm sitting

in a corner. Drummer. Open your eyes. Cheech. Jeez. My guy. What's up, dude? Then we played ping pong. Beat his ass. That was pretty... It was a win. That was pretty solid in there.

Hung out, had a good time. The concert was amazing, by the way. Of course. By the way, could have been on planet Earth, and the concert would have been good. They're performers. They were great. And then afterwards, what you're talking about,

yeah, that whole situation, it was documented. That was a terrible influence the whole time. Did you hang out on stage like those people at Zac Brown? No, no, I never do the, listen. You didn't tackle anybody? No, it's JJ. This might not be the most self-aware thing I've ever said, so people will probably tell me that I'm wrong. I don't need the attention.

I'm okay with it. Don't need it. If I'm in a situation where, like, hey, this is not for me, I'm all right with just kind of drifting into the back and just watching. I'm okay judging everybody with everybody. You know what I mean? So that whole... Those people sitting on stage at that concert, I couldn't even imagine the worst thing.

What do you mean? What were they doing? Who? They were setting up our own bar. It was a feel-good situation. It was great. It was a great time. They had great seats.

They were on the stage. Wait, like family members? Or are these tickets they bought? We don't know. We don't know if it was a work or a gimmick. It seemed like a backstage pass. Oh, it's like a fake bar setup. Yes. time bartender they're having a good you pay good money you probably pay a lot of money it's like a vip thing or it's family i was yeah it's one or the other i

don't know trying to figure it out for this zach brown band yeah it's he has like when he has no booze or drugs for anyone in the band though but he's like a barbie right there hey three acts though like the first act they actually say like here's part one it was like uh he was telling the story of everybody that was in a band almost play a song that they're a part of there's some people in part two they really hey really got in and then uh the third one was like i think covers right everybody that wanted every member of the band let a cover now i don't stick around to the end i do apologize i had to get out of there had to go to bed. Don't like traffic. So that whole thing happened.

But as I was watching part one with people on the stage, I thought to myself, like, that's my biggest fear, I think. That would be coming to this, not being, just being forced to be looked at, feel like you're getting stared at the entire time. Definitely are getting stared at the entire time. And there was one motherfucker up there that had no rhythm. You know what I mean? They were way off, you know, kind of leading the thing, but looked like a blast.

Zac Brown is worth a watch, I think. Live should definitely go watch them. They're fucking unbelievable. But yeah, the people on the stage, I don't know what they can't do. No, and not to mention, they're also just watching the back of Zac Brown's head. They're not really seeing him. They're a part of the show. Yeah, exactly.

Not watching the show. They're not watching it, yeah. But if you could go watch that show, you should. For sure. 100%. But don't. Is there a break in between the acts? Yeah.

Five, ten minutes. They had a countdown clock on the thing, though, which was awesome. They, like, go reset and come back like it's another encore? Yeah. Five, ten minutes? They had a countdown clock on the thing, though, which was awesome. They had to go reset and come back like it's another encore? Yeah, new set, new scene. Take a leak. It's the whole story.

They're painting a picture. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. It's worth it. They had the black and white filter during one of their more slower songs

to add a little effect that they showed on the screen. It was sweet. I do like the Stooges that are at the thing, though. You get a camera shot on you. And there you go. Because they scan the crowd, you know, as the whole thing

is up on the screens. That whole production is very good. Oh, yeah. Very, very good. It's very good. A lot of money. Zach's spending a lot of money, it sounds like, for his production. He's also got a sponsor, too. I've seen a sponsor. I know. I'm saying, like, back in the day, Michael Jackson, they said, would go on tour and almost break even because he would spend so much on the production.

That's smart because you're setting up for your next show. Yeah, I guess. Hey, if we invest in this show, the next tickets are going to go. Yeah. So it's always a promotion for the next one. You just got to hope the last one you cash out on, right? Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's kind of like a lot of YouTubers.

Because the only way they have to make money is the tour. Yeah, a lot of YouTubers, though, in merch and everything like that. But yeah, normally the music rights are all owned by the labels, and artists don't really see much of that. That's why whenever, like, fuck, not albums, mixtapes were coming out, and guys were releasing free music. And they were doing covers and shit, and mixtapes were happening. The labels got all pissed off, because these guys were releasing free music and they're doing covers and shit and mixtapes are happening the labels got all pissed off because these guys are releasing free music just hey so they can sell

the tickets and they're getting a majority of the tickets but the labels couldn't make any money off the music because the music was being ripped by somebody else so the mixtape era became a fucking for the fans it was awesome it was absolutely incredible but i think the labels kind of put a hey we know what you're doing we need you we know what you're doing there you're setting up for the tickets you assholes and the artists are like you put us in 20-year contracts in which we make no fucking money and then now it's still a battle that's being fought yeah yeah and they don't really do it anymore but like you know when we were kind of growing up it was much more popular where they do these big shows and then release them on like dvd or whatever and like those would sell

like crazy. Like now they get streamed. Yeah, exactly. That Kanye Drake one. What was that on Amazon? I think when they were in LA for the world or whatever, they had a big ball. They were running on.

That was pretty cool. Michael Jackson concerts. The reason Bob Kraft got to buy the Patriots to the previous owner before him, like basically last ditch effort to make a bunch of money invested in like a Michael Jackson tour essentially. And he was going to play at Gillette and it just bombed and to make a bunch of money, invested in a Michael Jackson tour, essentially, and he was going to play at Gillette, and it just bombed. And he lost a ton of money, and then Bob Kraft bought the team from him.

Wow. Yeah. Really? What do you mean it bombed? He lost a bunch of money on it. He didn't win, or he didn't make what he thought he was going to. Did you see Robert Kraft was sitting on that guy's lap last night? Yeah.

Who was that guy? Could have been. He was sitting on his lap. guy could have been sitting on his lap yeah anybody's right on his lap it was very they were sitting right next to each other you know how John Bond and Kraft normally sit next to each other up in the thing or the kid sits next to him they were a road back it appeared they resumed in and Kraft was like leaned in like let's say the guy sitting on his right, which he was. He was like left leg over right leg, lean, like on this guy's shoulder. Yeah, he was taking a nap on him. It was crazy. I'm like, man, what are they talking about?

Some shit that nobody can hear. Yeah. And the camera person's just like zooming in on it almost. It's like, that motherfucker's on top of that guy. Yeah. That was, I mean, that's preseason football. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Matt in Chicago on the 5RNG phone line 5RNG.com use promo code McAfee

To receive 10% off What's going on Matt Oh shit Hey Jay All the boys Let's go Save for that booze bag Sellout

Stinky sack of shit. Ty Schmitt. Oh, Ty from Chicago. Save for that fudge packing, Yankee sucking, 183 pounds of pure great Iowan magma. Save for that ass lounge. Stay for that, ass clown. How we doing? That was pretty aggressive. Electrifying.

I don't think I made out everything you said, but certainly offended a lot of people. Definitely. 183 pounds, Ty? No, I wish. What are you? Closer to hunch. Oh, a little daddy weight. Because muscle weighs more than fat. Ty is jacked. Baby weight.

Ty, I don't think he's ever been jacked around here, but Ty, I will say, this fucking guy, the way he eats and the way things he puts in his body, his body is one of the most impressive things of all time. You just gotta keep moving. That's right. And it does. Just keeps on

operating at a really high level, too. 24 hours at a time. You just got to keep moving. That's right. And it does. Just keeps on operating at a really high level too. 24 hours at a time. Picture of health. I went to State Fair yesterday. There's a picture of health. You go to State Fair yesterday. As fun as you thought it would be? Yes. What are you talking about? Yeah. This is the seventh time my wife and I have gone. We've been together for six years.

Seven State Fairs. No big deal. It is fucking awesome. I've been back on the diet a little bit you go to state fair you can't help but eat two corn dogs funnel cake deep fried oreo reese's cup funnel cake yeah turkey leg pizza what how many shelves did you see what about dessert i don't know what shelf is but yeah i had an apple cinnamon ice cream mixture. Oh, my God. It was so good. Did you play any of the carny games?

Yeah, I had to. Ooh, what did we get? Probably a cup of goldfish. Oh, those are dead for sure, right? No, put them in a pond. I know you didn't. You got to acclimate them a little bit. Well, Sam, I mean, believe me, that was a full thing.

Good luck. We got to dump the bag in the pond a little bit so the water gets acclimated or whatever. And I think she was trying to do that and then just... That's a koi pond, right? They're good to go. Yeah, I don't know if it's a koi pond. We've had no fish in there because we've been told by everybody

that all the animals that live around just go right to that pond and just say, what's in here? Going to eat it. Going to leave. So these goldfish are potentially in a much safer spot at the state fair with the carny meth guy. But maybe they live to have a great life and see a big time life. Or they don't.

And, you know, who cares? Well, they fed a raccoon there. Yeah, exactly. Or a bird or something like that. Snake. We have big windows that face the lake. You know, it's a pretty cool thing. It's very nice.

And yesterday Sam saw, whenever she got home, there was just an imprint of a fish on the window, like scales and everything. So there was some fucking eagle or hawk that grabbed the fish, was flying over the house, dropped it. That fish didn't know if it was going to die via bird or what. Ended up dying from contact with a window. That thing was plastered on the side of our window.

And then down on the bottom, the fish were just dead down there. So the eagle didn't even look. There's a lot going on at this house that I could not have expected. But Frit and Frat probably are dead, the two goldfish. Or they're the toughest sons of bitches because they were around a meth head for a pretty good amount of time. It's possible. That is crazy. If you have big old eagles flying around there, you need to be on the lookout when you got Chuck out there.

No, Fat Chuck ain't going to be. They eyed down Chuck a few times, and they thought, is that the fattest fucking corgi on earth? And they were right. They 100% said, that fucking guy. I don't know how his joints are going to hold up. I don't know how his joints are going to hold up. Probably not. Going to need three eagles to pick Chuck up.

He'll be just sitting there, and his front right arm will just start shaking. It's like, bro. Crap. Bro, let's get him on a treadmill. Please. How old i don't know two three whatever he is oh he's young okay in food years yeah he's got at least six seven more months so he's cool he and i got a much better relationship but his heart's gonna explode there's no way he's supposed to be that fat i've never we walked to other places and we want some lipitor i don't know maybe lipitor maybe some uh weight watchers we'll go see other corgis though and we're like chuck is three of these We walk to other places. Get him on some Lipitor. I don't know. Maybe Lipitor. Maybe some Weight Watchers.

We'll go see other corgis. And we're like, Chuck has three of these corgis. And all the corgis look exactly alike. They all look the exact same. And Chuck is just like the big fat fuck that just comes walking in. I saw him recently. And before that, the last time I saw him was around your birthday in May. And it was astounding how much bigger Chuck was.

And then we see pictures of whenever he was a little puppy. And it's like, when he was a puppy, he looked like these other fucking adult-ass corgis. Now he's just big, get in my belly type corgi. It's unbelievable. Here we go, Atta Baby. Atta Baby, AJ, way to be here on time. I appreciate it. I've had

two late entries running from the bathroom that would not take place in the Thunderdome. That is just days, maybe weeks away from us debuting over there. To my left, you're right, Aaron James Huck. He's a college football national champion and a Super Bowl champion. He brings legitimacy to this show. Speaking of legitimacy, the toxic table.

That's Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. And also one half of the hammer. Cowboys 10 digs. What's up, Ty? You said that's not going to happen at the Thunderdome. You got a pee bucket underneath you? You got a urinal on stage? That'd'd be sick uh should put one right behind you i was no you're a little knee wall so we can't see you you know the aj's face is the urinal cake that'd be sweet that's fine i don't care i'm not i'm not giving aj golden showers every day what about just a hole in the

ground like in japan i'd be honored or one of those toilets like they have in the basement of pittsburgh that's just sitting in the ground. That's where you have a year old behind you. That's in a basement. There's a glory hole. Nah, it's not a glory hole. Nah, it's from a puck. Don't put it in there. You could smoosh your poops into that hole, though.

Don't put it in there. We don't know who's in there today. Mr. Beastie. Oh, Phil. You saw Phil, huh? Well, look what's making an appearance probably forever. Old A.J. Gatsby. Look atby look at this guy huh dirty good work on this at all sport aj you look unbelievable pal you drinking martini here dirty

i guess it's on your hands though what did you do yeah it's definitely on my hands obviously well clearly how old are you in this one look at the baby face yeah wow i don't know gertie did put that together for me, but they did, when I sent the text over to them, because they wanted to put that together, like, after Gertie made it, they said, can you, my wife, I think, on the text said, can you make your head smaller? I said, no. God made my head that size. I'm not sure. Hell yeah.

God doesn't make mistakes. Uh-uh. Right? Not on my skull size. Well, certainly didn't with your profession, obviously. You used that thing as a weapon and the helmet as a weapon era and led to more tackles than anybody else in the history of the Packers. I think it's time to do the news.

It's Friday. Here we go. There's been a lot of things we haven't covered that we should cover. This week has been a great week because preseason games are all the way back in abundance. There's been a lot of stories around the NFL. Let's go ahead and do the news. Yeah.

Dude. Great song. This is the NFL. Let's go ahead and do the news. Yeah. Great song. This is a segment. Us talking about Bill Belichick earlier was not a segment. No, no, no, no, no, no. Got accused of stealing a segment last week because we just had Bill Belichick being Bill Belichick. Did somebody else? Who else does that?

I guess Rich Eisen has a segment about Bill Belichick being Bill Belichick, and I want to let Rich Eisen know we had not seen that from your show. No. But we are very thankful that our brains maybe thought of a similar idea that Rich fucking Eisen had. With that being said, that was not a segment. This is a segment. This is a segment.

This is not a segment. We're doing the news. Let's go ahead and bounce around, Evan Foxey. Brandon Marshall of IM Athlete was extremely complimentary of Chase Claypool. Says he has everything he needs to be a great NFL receiver, but the mental preparation. Marshall has taken Claypool under his wing and is being a mentor to him throughout this offseason. This is what it was like whenever we were chit-chatting. That's via Nick Faribault.

Faribault. Faribault. Nick Faribault. Hey, Faribault. Hey, we appreciate Mr. Faribault, but this is something about having a veteran in the room, right? This goes back to like Juju was the veteran in the room, the receiver room. Obviously, Chase Claypool was able to learn from Juju. I'm not saying that Juju wasn't a good mentor,

but if you have a guy that's an OG that does things in a different fashion than you do, it's always good to learn from. Brandon Marshall is going to be that guy for Chase Claypool, it appears. That's good news. But this is a big deal around NFL for Chase Claypool, it appears. That's good news. But this is a big deal around NFL and all position groups, I think, A.J. Hawk. It has to be huge. Imagine how difficult it would be if you come into a room, like say a receiver, you come in, they don't have some vet in there.

Like everyone's two-, three-year guys maybe, not an established guy. It's always good. You say all the time you wish Andrew Luck had gotten to see Peyton Manning and how he prepared and how he carried himself throughout the day and dealt with people. I think the same thing here. It's good good. You say all the time you wish Andrew Luck had gotten to see Peyton Manning and how he prepared and how he carried himself throughout the day and dealt with people. I think the same thing here. It's good to have somebody. I know a guy like Nick Barnett, when I got in the Packers linebacker room,

I could lean on him. Other guys, Brady Papinga was a little bit older than me. Dudes like that, you can lean on. Even if you don't even bug them with questions all day, you can watch and see how do they prepare, what do they do. Okay, from what can okay what from what they what can i take from what they do like what can i add to my whole preparation routine that i like that they do and also certain things everyone learns differently too so you got to know what works for

you can't just copy exactly what somebody does because you might not get anything out of it chase claypool is going to have to ask questions because brandon marshall won't be there on the day-to-day but like i got to watch vinat watch Vinatieri, right? I just got to watch him. Now, he was a kicker. I was a punter. He had a family at this point and a life and everything that was vastly different than mine. But watching him warm up, watching what he did on bad days, watching what he did on good days,

watching how he chatted with people, what his expectations were of people whenever he was doing stuff, whether it's just equipment managers and how you should chat with them. Like, it was just being able to watch somebody who's been successful that close on the field and off the field, right? He had already bought a house numerous times. He had moved, he'd done all this thing. So whenever you're going through that stage of life off the field, it's nice to have somebody that kind of fucking understands.

And that's why I think having an OG in every room is a vital to success in the NFL. And if you don't have an OG, you get an OG to be the fucking coach. Just like Reggie Wayne currently is for the Indianapolis Colts wide receivers. I think that was a good move. Honestly, a very good one. Even though the coaches aren't going through like the process,

they can still tell you how it was for them. Right? Like, even though the game has changed a little bit, Reggie coming up into the league, he can still tell Pittman jr. And stuff he did. Yeah,

absolutely. His third year. No offense to the coaches that are just coaches, and Chuck's going to watch this and Chuck's going to be like, we fucking know. It's different. It's just a different – it's a vastly different thing. You go to your coach versus going to your teammate or OG.

It's like going to your parent versus your older brother. It's like a different – it's just a different relationship that you can feel much more comfortable. I think it's vital for success to have an OG around. When I look at the Packers last year with Devontae, granted, they have basically all rookie receivers this year. They're not asking Randall Cobb to go out there and light it up

every Sunday. I think that's why he's on the team. He's been there. He's done that. He knows how Aaron thinks. This guy is supposed to bring all these other guys along here's how you act in team meetings here's how you act in offensive meetings you're allowed to ask questions like hey you're allowed to say like hey that doesn't work for me I'd much rather do this and they will okay we will adjust or we will tell you why like I think there's just a lot of like hesitancy by younger guys to maybe ask things or interject their ideas or opinions,

so they just kind of go about with what they think it's supposed to be like. Watching somebody that has been there, done that, is I will stand by that forever. I think that is a massive part of team construction. Just because I was so lucky to be able to do it with Vinatieri, and also I saw it happen in every single position my first couple years in the NFL. Let's continue to do the news. Let's bounce around a little bit.

Kevin Seifert? Seifert? Seifert, right? Seifert? Seifert. Mr. Seifert, siphoning news from the NFL news. The NFL has asked officials to pay particular attention to illegal contact files. They called one last night when a face mask also happened on the play.

They didn't call the face mask because it was classified now as a point of clarification as opposed to a point of emphasis. Will there be a spike in flags, Cypherdass? Maybe. Saw an illegal contact last night. I do like the fact that they've changed it to a point of clarification as opposed to a point of emphasis. Because whenever they put, like, taunting was a point of emphasis. The helmet-to-helmet was a point of emphasis. The quarterback was a point of clarification as opposed to a point of emphasis. Because whenever they put, like, taunting was a point of emphasis,

the helmet-to-helmet was a point of emphasis, then quarterback was a point of emphasis, they give us, like, you give us something to say immediately. If it's a bad call, a touch call, a ticky-tack call on one of these points of emphasis, we go, well, this is what's wrong with emphasizing one thing. Now the NFL is like, well, we're not emphasizing. It's actually just a point of clarification.

You can't be touching a wide receiver while the ball is still in the quarterback's hands past five yards down the field. That's going to probably get rid of pass interferences. They probably want less pass interferences, more legal contacts, because there's probably a lot of defense coordinators saying, hey, the whole throw it up and hope and then somebody coming back through a defender is bullshit. Like we can't have it. So now legal contact is probably going to get called more aj hawk if we had to guess it is but it's i still think this is bad for the defense like are you trying to say they might call

less pis down that you're saying less pis because they'll call this before it even gets to that point i mean anytime you call illegal contact so tough because like if you're not within those first five yards and you want to reroute with your body or whatever, I just don't know. Like, if they – let's say I want to reroute by position, like, by my – just my position, you know, reroute. I mean, like, kind of get him off – say the receiver is running up the seam and I want to get him – I need to make him get outside the seam by two yards or so to help him send him to my safety while I'm underneath help.

Back in the day, I could line up right inside that hash, and I could blast that dude and try to bump him outside the seam. Now you can't do that. I guess if you're at three or four yards, you technically can. But now, like, if I want to do it with my body position, my angle, if he, like, kind of brushes my shoulder, am I getting illegal contact? Oh, you're thinking it's going to become even more touchy? Yeah, I'm worried about that.

That's what makes me worry. When you say more illegal contact, I'm like, now, if i even breathe on a dude running across the middle is that a penalty well and also the ref has a tough call and it's obviously one ref is looking at one situation one group of players for this particular call and they have plenty of other things on their mind and they have certainly fucked other things up in this particular department in the past past interferences included but they also have to look at the contact look at the quarterback right see if the quarterback still has the ball and then check the yardages downfield how far down the field it's a tough call to make oh and it's a point of emphasis now i'm sorry point of

clarification now that's going to be that's going to be chatted about just like every point of clarification i guess that they've had over the years past but they did drop the rough in the passer rough in the past how they drop it what do do you mean? Incidental shit. If you're going to block a pass and you accidentally hit a helmet, I assume that's not going to be a roughing the passer anymore. Incidental stuff is not going to be called. It's going to have to be more, I think, intent is what they're going to be looking at.

That's good if they take intent into it at all. Jonathan Jones, News at CBS Sports. We obviously put a picture of your guy, Clay Matthews, because it ruined his career almost. NFL officials plan to ease up on the roughing the passer calls this season where contact is less forcible and more incidental. So they have to be thinking about intent then, right? That's awesome. Great.

This is a great change that they're doing. I hope they actually implement this. How pissed was Clay Matthews that one season? Oh, man. I mean, how could you not be? I think he's still pretty pissed. What was it, like six sacks, seven sacks? Yeah, for sure.

There's a football team. Yeah, well, on the Vikings earlier in the season, Cousins threw a pick. It was a clean hit. They called roughing the passer. I think the Vikings ended up going down scoring right before the end of overtime, and they ended up tying. So think about this.

Let alone the stats that Clay Matthews lost out on for that game-winning sack, basically, in overtime, the whole thing. Games get changed by third down, incidental, roughing the passers. It's a turnover. That is a turnover

that just happened, and it felt like it was taking place on a pretty regular basis while trying to protect the quarterbacks. But then all the quarterbacks basically come out and say, like, this ain't what it's about. Like, the quarterbacks are even saying, like, oh, geez, Tom Brady's like, this is not – there should be a little bit of penalty if I don't do my job right.

Aaron said it's gotten softer. Like, everybody has basically said it's too much. It's too much. It looks like the NFL is trying to change that. That's good news. It was good to see, though, that they're going to be strict on taunting still, though, this year. That was bullshit last night. The Giants player.

Uh-huh. And that was a third down from the seven-yard line. I mean, that was bad. That's bad. He just went like this. Didn't do anything. Did they claim he was standing over top of them doing it? That's why they called the penalty?

He was certainly near them. I mean, but come the fuck on. Come the fuck on. I guess it's all. They're going to say it's because this picture, they don't want a player looking down, they think that's like a bad look to show kids or whatever. Well, why don't you be better parents for your kids?

I'm with you. I'm on your side here. Believe me, I coach little kids. I know. Remember, didn't I tell that to Rappaport? Yeah. Rappaport was like, they don't want kids to think that this is okay. It's like, well, what the fuck are parents for? There's a lot that goes on that you don't want kids to think is okay.

Yeah, do you want... How about the hot mics that pick up sometimes with the part of your head? How about you teach your kid that if you work your ass off your entire life and sacrifice parties

and everything that everybody else is doing to get yourself in the greatest shape that you could possibly be in and you're on the precipice of making a dream come true that you've looked for

for your entire family and you make a play in the end zone on a third down, the money down, and you accidentally look at the guy that you made a play against, who you're competing against for sure, and you say, yeah, motherfucker, I probably just got a job on this team. You're able to do that. If 15, 20 years from now, you get to the point that that person's in, you'll be able to do it. How about that? Right now though, you haven't accomplished shit. You're probably going to end up playing trumpets.

You're not athletic at all. So don't be doing any of that. Like how, I don't have a kid yet, so I guess that's me just speaking of ignorance. But just acting like everything that happens in the NFL is a direct correlation for how every kid's going to act. It's like, shouldn't there be some teaching that it takes a lot to get to this point?

Just like, hey, when you're 21, you're able to drink. Hey, when you're 18, you're able to do this. If you're a professional athlete fighting for a fucking job and you've gotten yourself in that, and you get excited to this point. Just like, hey, when you're 21, you're able to drink. Hey, when you're 18, you're able to do this. If you're a professional athlete fighting for a fucking job and you've gotten yourself in that and you get excited and this is how you compete, you'll be allowed to do it. You can't just walk up in recess on the classroom, go kick somebody in the face and tell them to suck it and say it was an incompletion.

That's vastly different than what these guys are doing on a football field. But then that would be taking the onus away from parenting, I guess, and everything else and having responsibility and accountability somewhere else than oh it's the nfl's fault and players are doing no i mean i think it's pretty easy you said it it's on the football field like in regular life you can't just like go up and tackle someone like it doesn't work like that like there are different a set of rules that you can abide by on a football field that you can't outside of a football field but i have zero kids If I'm lucky enough to have a child someday, I understand that that's probably going to be a problem.

We shouldn't be changing rules in the NFL because we're worried on how it affects kids and what they're going to do on the football field. Yeah. I concur. Their behavior. If you want to protect them like how we're teaching kids to tackle and protect their body and be safer, yes, I agree 100%. But when it comes to taunting and things like that,

I think remembering when I was a kid growing up, if I asked, like, oh, why can't I do that? Because they're in the NFL and you're not. I think that was the answer I got every time. Because you're a little piece of shit still. All right? And I said, okay, and just kept going. Hey, listen, you get to the NFL, you score a touchdown,

you outrun 10 of the fastest guys on earth to do so, and you want to pull a marker out of your sock and sign a ball, you can do that. There you go. That's a long way to go because I think you're to pull a marker out of your sock and sign a ball you can do that now you got a long way to go because i think you're getting tackled by all those guys so if you get to that point good luck you know like that is but once again i do not have a kid so i don't look to the nfl to raise my children smart i understand you don't want your kids seeing things that you don't want them doing but that's exactly why your parent is there to say, hey, guess what, bud? And then I'll show them the clip of what you just talked about.

Let's go to the 5-Hour Energy phone line. Let's go to Drew in Montana. Drew, what's going on, pal? Hey, Pat. Hey, AJ. How you guys doing? Keep it moving. Respect.

Montana, Big Sky Country. Thanks for calling in. Hell yeah. Hey, it's Feel Good Friday. I, you know, wanted to touch on that a little bit. I, you know, like to reflect on my life, look at where I was and look at where I am now. Seven years ago, I was in a dark place. Here we go.

And now I'm married. Now I got a career. Now I got a kid on the way. So I wanted to ask you. Here we go, Drew. You know, AJ, no, to Ty ty to connor really to all the boys and ask you guys how often are you looking back five six years ago and look at where you are today and just get blown away by uh the opportunity you have and what you've done with it hey drew

congrats on uh fighting through some stuff some adversity and getting to the other side and life being great over there in mont. We appreciate you calling. Yeah, Connor, we'll start with you. You ever reflect on your life? Yeah, I reflect all the time. Don't have to go back five years, though. You could go back much earlier than that. But, yeah, absolutely.

How can you not reflect? It's crazy. Reflection's a fun thing to do. Yeah, you need it for perspective. Get deep in your thoughts. Now, you have like 100 kids, so I assume you don't get a lot of time to yourself to do some reflection. I enjoy doing that a lot.

I think it's a good activity. I think it's a very good reminder to yourself about what you could be doing, what you couldn't be doing. Ty, you do that with Sloan now? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, for work, though, it is. We just talked about it with the NFL Films thing. I mean, three years ago, we were in a fucking box truck and didn't know if we were traveling everywhere. And now we're about to be doing like a thing on espn2 don't have to travel basically to do it like that

was the whole thing it's like hey we have to go do all this stuff so that you know i mean it's like things have changed quite a bit in the last three you know five years definitely but three to two to three years especially like it is crazy i'm pretty excited for you not to have to just drink an entire bottle of whiskey six times a week for every flight we had to take. Yeah. That was tough. I didn't think Ty was going to survive. I mean, Ty gets on there.

Did he have to do that? Yeah. Kind of. My nerves got – and a lot of those flights too. Well, it's actually coming out. Bert says that too. What's that? Bert's got a drink on planes.

He gets nervous. Yeah, I mean – It's terrifying. People do. Who are people? People get nervous a drink on planes. He gets nervous. Yeah, I mean... It's terrifying. People do. Who are people? People get nervous on airplanes. I don't get nervous. I get deadly sick, but I'm not nervous. I'll almost puke and sweat. I mean, bad.

That was... Yeah, it's like seasick. Yeah, I get sick in the car, of course. Take Dray to me? No. You should, right? It doesn't help. I mean, I've tried it, and trust me, I've tried everything. It doesn't. Just gotta i've tried it and trust me i've tried everything it doesn't just gotta keep going yeah but you love the air like that was wild to me that how much you love the sky and you want to be a pilot and you've flown on smaller planes and then we're gonna love boats too but i get very seasick i puke hard out there really so you love it you're just

like yeah i don't puke on planes but i feel i get right to the brink i was i was close with you on that 30 minute flight that flight. That was awesome. That was awesome. Yeah, chop will get you. Hey, Tahoe chop. Oh, my God. Could you imagine being on a boat at that thing? Oh, my feet were busted from walking. I'm sitting on that fucking thing, dude.

I'm standing on that thing like this, you know, fucking all jet skied up. I'm standing on that thing like this, you know, fucking all jet-skied up. Just for fucking five minutes. Crazy. AJ's over there on the right. We are nowhere near where we were allegedly headed. And I'm like, God damn, my whole body is hurting right now.

My thighs, because I was having to fucking, literally I was doing body squats every, what, six feet, it felt like we were doing on that thing? There wasn't many other watercraft out in the water at that moment. I didn't even think about that. We were the only ones that were fucking taken to the sea right there. And then your forearms locked up. Oh, God. Forearms locked up because you're fucking controlling it and you're jumping that thing.

And then my feet, I just walked in J's for fucking seven miles for the first time in my life. That was one of the most miserable experiences. But I will say, when you're jumping a jet ski, it's hard not to be like, whoa. It's a good time. It's a very good time. That was tough, dude. That was very fun. And I would stop every once in a while, try to give my forearms, my hands a break.

You're like locking up. You just try to stop, and me and you would kind of come close together but it was too choppy all of a sudden waves are coming over the side like man we're gonna sink and tip over quick if we don't get going it was awesome what a time dude it's fun yeah it's a beautiful lake couldn't really look at it much while you're on it you know if you accidentally were looking at something like oh that's one of the greatest views of all time boom you're eating a jet ski. Not to mention the Loch Ness Monster is hanging out down there. Oh, no.

It's not a Loch Ness Monster. It's a different monster, right? Oh, right. I forget what kind. Chained up. It's chained up. Nessie's in Scotland. There's something in the basement. It's all hamster, too.

All Nessie's in New Hampshire. Killed a bunch of kids. Killed a bunch of people, yeah. If you hear chains, get out of there. Chains? Is it cracking? Could be a cracking. Oh, it's, get out of there. Chains? Is it cracking? Could be a cracking. Oh, it's chained up down there.

Yeah, they put it in a cage down there. They caught it. It's down there. It's doing experiments. It's in a cave. It's in a cave. Don't be a fucking mark, Ty. Let's go to the phones.

I just want to know what this thing is. It's called Tahoe Tassie. Tahoe Tassie. I don't want to know. That's the actual name. Zito just Googled it. It's called Tahoe Tassie. Yeah. Tahoe Tassie. I don't want to know. That's the actual name. Zito just Googled it. It's in a cave

in Lake Tahoe and it has killed a lot of people. And if you're on a jet ski and you just so happen by that cave and you hear a little something, that little something

ain't just made up in your head. No thanks. That's a killer. It's fucking Tahoe Tassie. It's got a taste for adolescence. Yeah.

Sounds like potentially a story to keep kids off the lake late night but it certainly made its way into an adult conversation and a couple adults here actually won't go look for it yeah we did yeah we did those were the two that we said our goodbyes to them when they left we said oh man i'm gonna feel so terrible when they both die it was bad though well and also we're bummed we're losing two jet skis weren't we yeah you're right we're like hey can you tell the loch ness to send those back home after each year?

And we would have. We had a letter in our life. I don't know if you guys would have had enough time. From what I heard, Tahoe Tessie is a fucking quick work. Tahoe handles business quick. A little one-minute man. You would have been gone without even saying, hey, can you send the two? Dead. Well, I would have told him. Oh, calm down. Oh, him. Yeah. Little one minute man. You would have been gone without even saying hey can you send the dead.

Well I would have told him. Oh calm down. Oh him. Yeah. So now you're gender assigned. Awful presumptuous. Sorry.

It's a monster. Don't misgender. That's just what I heard from the articles. Can't do it. Can't be misgendering Tahit Tessie. You're a son of a bitch.

There it is. I told you it's got a dong. That's a tail. Oh. It actually acts as both, I believe. So that thing's going to fuck you at the bottom and eat you at the top. That's what you're like.

I'll tell him to send jet skis back. Not a chance. All right. Let's go to the phones. New docuseries, right, on him? Yeah. Is it out? Hammer house.

Maybe it's not called that, but I think it's something like that. Is it out? Sounds maybe it's not called that but i think something like that is it out sounds right hammering his aunt actually produced it it's gonna be interesting she like him it doesn't seem like it oh just to be clear and we talked about this earlier not everybody's family is like no did he take part in it though did he authorize it i doubt it so by the way we should talk about that so hulu we can't do anymore right yes because mike tyson so the mike tyson hulu thing's real like that is a very real thing therefore it's kind of quieted down i assume hulu and tyson are going to reach an agreement you would think because hulu doesn't need all that public uh publicity or whatever but i will also say that somebody that uses hulu like you guys need to figure the fuck out it needs to stop freezing every yeah 25, 30 seconds.

I got a fucking thousand up, thousand down in my house. Had to pay for an entire remold of my thing. And Hulu is still freezing. No other apps does it. And also you're fucking over Mike Tyson, Hulu. I mean, let's go, dude. I'll move right the fuck on. I am okay with it.

Let's assume they're going to settle that. But when I saw the previews for that, I'm like, oh, this is going to be a good story and then mike tyson's like i did not authorize this this is a bunch of i'm like well i actually don't want to see it then like that is that's how i feel if he had no say in it and they're stealing his story and trying to profit off it like that's classic you people that you would say you know what i mean aj well he didn't he say they offered dana a ton of money to be part of it or something yeah a couple million bucks and dana said no if uh is it a documentary or is it like a series series series who's playing him uh it wasn't jamie foxx remember jamie foxx is making a movie and when i saw this preview i'm like is this the jamie foxx and it was not jamie foxx it was

somebody else so this is hulu just trying to profit probably off the jamie foxx stuff that's coming and kind of just you know like whenever somebody has a run of shit, like, everybody kind of has something about it. Having with OJ. Having with OJ? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to say this and compare this, but having with Dahmer. Yeah, having with Dahmer. Dahmer had, like, six series across.

Ted Bundy. Yeah, Bundy. It's House of Hammer. It's not Hammer House. I was wrong. Yeah, because don't be confusing with the Hawk House. That's right. When's that come out?

House of Hammer? Every night night what are you talking about tyson thing definitely has something to do with the jamie fox version too because if they just tell if hulu tells their story before the jamie fox thing then it's like okay they feel like they beat them to the punch yeah i already got that entire thing and it wasn't even the one that mike tyson was involved with. Yeah. Well, Hulu and Netflix each put out their own Fyre Fest documentary. Yeah, true. But old buddy that bamboozled everybody was in both of them.

Yeah. No, he was only in Hulu. He sat with Hulu. Oh, really? I thought he was on the Netflix one, too. Yeah, see, the Netflix one came out first, too. He only sat for one of them. He only saw that. Wow.

He seems like a rational, good human. Bill McFarlane? Not a narcissist. He's a genius. He's still liveries. He got out. He's trying to sell a new credit card or something. Brad Dovid.

Hawke card. Or did he go to jail to try to narc on another inmate and find none of the bodies and still get out of jail? Tony's not happy. Oh, no. What? Oh, no.

Zito just gave me another little piece of information that I'm withholding from the microphone right now. Uh-oh. Who owns Hulu? Oh, no. Stop it't know. Who owns Hulu? Oh, no. Stop it. Oh, my God. Stop it.

It's got a defense. It's got a defense. Who owns them? Disney. Jesus. Well, I'm just saying. Disney. Disney owns it.

Disney also owns ESPN2. They do. Exactly. That's not great. Let's get a Mikey in Phoenix. Anyways, we're not watching it. No. Can't do it. We're not doing it. We're not doing it. I'm not great. Let's go to Mikey in Phoenix. Anyways, we're not watching it. No. Can't do it.

Not doing it. Not doing it. Not saying Tyson's an angel, but also he is a fucking human. His story deserves to be his. I don't think people should just be able to seal it and profit off it and paint however picture they want. Let's go to Mikey in Phoenix on the 5RNG phone line. Mikey, what's going on, pal?

Pat, AJ, boys, how's it going? Not too shabby. How about you? Doing great. Thanks for asking. Thanks for calling back, Mikey. Great to have you on the phone again, Mikey. Malik Willis last night, obviously much more athletic than I could ever fucking dream

of being. Stood across the line in high school against some current NFL guys. Didn't belong there then, don't belong there now. Having said that, does he hate his fucking kicker? Who? Malik Willis. Guy takes a seven-yard sack with 24 seconds left in the half with one timeout.

Makes the team burn a timeout just outside of the little range. Preseason game, kicker gets a chance to be great. Does he hate his fucking kicker? So, Mikey, okay, so football IQ is another whole situational. Football is another whole thing. That's kind of just natural development. I didn't get to see before half because I was probably snoozing

because I watched the replay of the Ravens-Titans game late night on NFL Network when they ran it back. I understand they were bouncing back and forth, so I missed some of it. I did not see that. Football IQ is something, though, that is evolving for everybody, I think, not just Malik Willis, who's in his first NFL game. I mean, there's a lot on your plate as a rookie quarterback playing in your first NFL preseason game. So, yeah, I'll let that slide.

Let's go to Tanner in Georgia on the 5 Energy phone line. What's going on, Tanner? Good name. Well, my deepest condolences because this call already stinks. But a quick question for AJ. Are you related to Tony Hawk since you have the face of a skateboard? I'll take that as a compliment, sir. I do not believe I am related to Tony Hawk since you got the face of a skateboard. I'll take that as a compliment, sir. I do not believe I am related to Tony Hawk.

That call did not stink. You call in any time. Let's get to a break. The boys have a giveaway on the other side. They're going to take this thing home. I got to go hop on a bird, hopefully not get incredibly sick like AJ. Hope we survive, too. Hell yeah.

Kirk Cousins we're hoping for. Yeah. Peace and peace. We did the news. We covered stuff. You guys got a giveaway. We had Kirk Herbstreit. It's Jake's last day.

Good little week. How about it? I might nap on that plane. You should. Here we go. Why not? Why not? Well, I can't sleep on planes.

You could, though. Tell yourself you can. I have. Good sleeper. Good sleeper. Good sleeper. Keep doing it. It's like saying, remember.

You're going to say, hey, make sure I don't forget my keys. No. Say, remind me to remember my keys. Yeah, and you don't have to say remember anymore. Airtight logic there, AJ. It is. Play that song. Remember when I used to sleep on a plane.

Remember when that time never existed. Remember when? I'd take a snooze with no booze. On a plane, remember when? I can't do it. I'm up. I'm staring at the pilot, too, the entire time. What are we doing here?

You guys feel comfortable? Cool. That's great news. Get me out of here. It's the pilot, too, the entire time. What are we doing? You guys feel comfortable? Cool. That's great news. Get me out of here. It's pretty stressful, to be honest with you. I lose weight every single flight, but it's worth it because Raleigh with the Caniacs, brother. Yeah.

It's going to be a great Smackdown tonight. I can't wait to see what the fuck happens. And you've been looking out for UFOs, too, in the sky, just in case. A lot of eye-boggling. Are you really worried you're going to crash? Is that what you're worried about, for real? I mean, I think any any bounce everybody thinks that but also like you have no idea i mean my big my eyes are always on the pilot that's right my eyes are

always on the pilot is this pilot look like they're scared to death all right i'm never flying with this company again that actually happened that that that took place does this pilot well they almost killed us still have their driver's license or is he 85 years old there's some of that too we're never flying with this company again either no thanks i mean these are things that happen i just gotta keep my eyes no offense to them like hey you do you i'm sure you can get the bird up and the bird down but i'm also experiencing this too so let's think about that you know does the pilot have a three foot party sub with nothing but onions and cheese on it that he's eating when we get out the plane. Yes. I hope not.

Well. Do they have a couple hard-boiled eggs in their bag? Well, turns out. Does he have a full-on Rudy Sub in his cargo pants before we fucking flash? I can send him to Metallica. Hell yeah. All right, we're back in four minutes. The boys do a giveaway.

Can't thank you all enough for a hell of a week. We'll see you on Monday. A lot of football to talk about and also some more breaking news next week. Hell yeah. Hopefully we'll get the lingo right. So there's no hell breaking loose behind the scenes. It's on us. Remember when.

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