The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 719 - Steelers GM Omar Khan, Brady Quinn, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Brandon Staley explaining his 4th down philosophy, Antonio Brown telling TMZ that Jerry Jones should give him a call, who's going to start in Carolina, and what we're expecting from Hard Knocks episode 2. Joining the progrum is Steelers GM Omar Khan to chat about his new role after being within the organization for the last 20 years, how involved he was in the draft process, his thoughts on the Quarterback battle, trying to shape the Steelers like the city of Pittsburgh, and much more (44:39-1:04:52). Later, Notre Dame legend, former 1st round pick of the Cleveland Browns, analyst for Big Noon Kickoff on FOX, AJ Hawk's brother-in-law, Brady Quinn joins the show to chat about his thoughts on Zach Wilson, NIL in college, if Urban is going to be on Big Noon Kickoff, who he thinks will surprise people this year in the NFL, and much more (1:04:54-1:49:39). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is, oh, I'll tell you what, man. Episode 2 to Hard Knocks is tonight at 10 p.m. on HBO. Tuesday, August 16th. This show starts now. Here we go, Atta Baby. Here we go, Atta Baby, into another great three and a half hours of sports conversation. We can't thank you enough for joining us here on YouTube and on the radio. Today's show is massive, not only because we'll be talking about what we think is going to come tonight for Hard Knocks, but because today is the day before tomorrow,

which is when we'll be live at the Colts and Lions joint training camp practices right here in Indiana. Hell yeah. We have a stacked schedule. Allegedly, Jim Ursa will be joining us. Whoa. Matt Ryan. Whoa.

Eddie Ice. Yannick Ngakwe. Holy shit. And MCDC. Oh, yeah. Leather City, Dan Campbell will be joining us tomorrow, the head coach of the Detroit Lions. Just hours after us watching the second episode of Hard Knocks,

obviously one week ago, we watched the first episode of Hard Knocks with the Detroit Lions, and we were all dumbfounded by how amazing it was. It appeared to be like a movie of what you thought an NFL training camp would be like. The coaches, all ex-players, all electrifying. The head coach, a movie character of what a football coach should be. The living embodiment of the sport of football. He goes by the name of MCDC, but behind the scenes, he's a hardworking guy who is loved by his players,

who wants to do something for a city that hasn't had a winning season in a long, long, long time. The players all seem to be all the way bought in. It's magical. It's a recipe created for success, for Hard Knocks' majesticy. It's a word. Can't wait to see what episode two is. Now there has been people,

I guess around town that have been judging hard knocks because they thought the first week was a infomercial fluff for the Detroit lines. They said there wasn't enough raw emotional life altering stuff. I'm sorry. We're having entertainment. You're allowed to have fun. Not everything has to be serious tonight. I assume we're going to see life-altering stuff.

You don't think doing 40 up-downs before a fucking practice is life-altering? That'll change you. Especially if you have a broken wrist because a small dog cage got you in the way. There's a lot of life-altering stuff happening right in front of our eyes. People are making teams. Dreams are coming true. Today, 4 p.m., cut-down day, the first round of cuts around the NFL. That means a lot of things a

lot of teams are going to go ahead and cut their players due to numbers but also you're going to see players move in teams now for the first time who's had their eye on somebody else since before the draft weren't able to sign them as an undrafted free agent or a late round draft pick or somebody that was a free agent they get released here in the first round of cuts because it's not working out for whatever reason who gets brought in and who inevitably finds a home maybe forever? Jack Doyle was a guy who, I think he was cut by the Tennessee Titans in their first round of cuts. We sign him to the Colts, goes on to make a Pro Bowl, makes a bunch of money. Special team are back home. I mean, there is some real moves that can be made at this time because maybe a team wasn't a fit for a player. Maybe a situation wasn't a fit for a player.

And early, both sides recognize it and get him somewhere else. Maybe a team finds a missing piece, and maybe we see some cuts that could surprise us all. There's a lot of potential breaking news that could come from today's show. Omar Khan will be joining us, the Pittsburgh Steelers general manager. How long was Colbert GM for?

Like 25 years? He started there in 2000. 22 years was the previous GM's run a lot of success a lot of in-house stuff they hire Omar Khan from within the building he's been with the Steelers since 2001 so he's been there done that he's now the general manager seems like their rookie class is doing well what's it like having the big boy desk yeah what's it like sitting at the head of the Pittsburgh Steelers franchise we'll talk to Omar at the head of the pittsburgh stillers franchise we'll talk to omar khan and then in the second hour i'm sorry in the third hour we'll talk

to brady quinn here we go brady quinn was the host of the third and long foundations golf outing yesterday in columbus ohio that aj hawk went to aj hawk back today second hour can't wait to chat with him brady quinn also go on radio this morning or last night either immediately following golf outing that we had heard about in the past, maybe there was a couple of brouhahs drank, or this morning, day after golf outing. And Brady Quinn said, I don't know what we're talking about with Zach Wilson. He got hurt. That's a shame.

He stunk before that. Anybody watch the same game I'm watching? This guy hasn't done a single thing. Brady Quinn also came out and said the Jets were 0-6 or 0-7 before they even get into their bye week. So this team, all the hype around them, they're kind of fucked with the way their schedule is constructed. So Brady Quinn has said a lot of negative things about the New York Jets.

Can't wait to hear what Brady Quinn has to say, not only about the golf outing in which they raised a lot of money for veteran families yesterday, but also, what do you hate the Jets for? Did something happen with the Jets with Brady Quinn? Did we not look into that far enough? What's going on there? Speaking of Brady Quinn, Notre Dame. I mean, there is Manti Taylor's got a doc coming out.

Oh, yeah. Let's go. It's going to be awesome for us. Maybe not for him, but it's going to be awesome. I think it is going to be awesome for him. Finally explaining the story. And in 2022, I think a lot more people are very understanding of what catfishing is. Because people are getting catfished by businesses, companies,

significant other, friends, all the time nowadays because of how internet heavy and internet savvy people have become. Back in the day, they still need that fucking nerd Nev to tell people what catfishing was on MTV. We're talking about Manti Tayo

being before that run. So he was almost the gatekeeper for catfishing being introduced to a lot of people and he got buried for it. He did. The guy fell in love. He did. Give him a break. He just wanted it to be real. Sure. Wanted to focus on his football.

Make his family happy. Fall in love. He couldn't find anybody around him so he searched the internet and some fucking sick fuck preyed on him, attacked him, and carried on a goddamn joke that led into public scene and public scrutiny for Manti Teo, who was a bowler on the field. That was tough stuff.

I'm thinking that Manti's happy that this is happening. Maybe it'll be a chance for him to kind of turn the page on chapter. Some closure. That has just been kind of looming overhead. I think he's quietly had a pretty good NFL career. I think he's been around a couple teams. I'm not 100% sure. And maybe he's falling in love. Maybe he's falling in love. Who knows if he'll ever trust anybody ever again. But I'm excited to watch that talk.

We'll talk to Bray Quinn about that. And more, he's married with a child, Zito, just a week. Wow. So he was able to find it. It all worked out out sometimes you gotta you gotta slay a few catfish dragons before you get to the princess that's right ain't that right well said yeah you get that castle yeah i mean sometimes there's gonna be some dragons out there and it might be a dude in the basement in ohio yeah being the perfect significant other you know oh everything you want to do is fine. Yeah, absolutely. Manti Taylor was so pumped,

I bet. Oh, yeah. Kidding me? Golly. Now, I will say this documentary happening is bringing it

back into conversation when it kind of was gone for a long time. Now, granted, Manti, it's not gone, though.

Every time he talks to somebody, introduces himself, the first thing anybody thinks is, oh, man, sorry that happened.

So I think he's probably pretty pumped about it we haven't talked about it in years i don't think because i've seen a lot of guys get catfished in the nfl whenever you're signing with a new team coming into a new city you're not necessarily somebody wants to go out every night but you wouldn't mind maybe meeting some people you take your pictures you look at a picture on an app oh there's a 10 then a uh you know a 10 still but maybe a super duper inflated version or something else shows up and this has happened on both sides dudes are catfishing worse than women are at these points i mean the way guys lie about what they do who they're friends with how they

look the filters they put on that's a game changer too how tall they are i mean how much money they make i mean there is a lot of lying on the internet that people are in there so people get catfished on a regular basis now uh so i think that's why we maybe don't talk about the Manti-Taylor situation, even though it took over pop culture. But now with that documentary coming out, we're being forced to talk about it. I hope you find some closure. Now, speaking of closure, at Boston Corner, how you doing? Fantastic. How are you, Pat?

I'm great, thank you. And at Ty Schmidt, just a couple doors down here, a business close. There was some closure on a business. Yeah, that's right. And birthed from said closure of business was this new coffee shop, Quills. Just a couple of doors down here. Business close. There was some closure on a business. Yeah, that's right. And birthed from said closure of business was this new coffee shop, Quills. The best. We have been to Quills every day that it has been open.

Three times in two days, actually. And we have enjoyed everything about it. We even bought some merch from Quills. We did. Bruce got a new Quills coffee hat. With that mustache that Bruce has, the way he dresses, how cool he is, he could potentially walk into Quills, go behind the counter and start serving some fucking bro he could he could if he really wanted to he looks good oh yeah we are thankful that this place is here now we are

learning a lot about coffee together aren't we yeah absolutely ty and i don't think we are in the coffee community well enough i've ordered a couple things on a couple different times now and thought i was getting something vastly different. Sure. Ordered an ice latte. Me and Todd. Hey, we'll take two ice lattes. Sounds good. Biggest ones you got. Have no idea what that is.

Have no clue what it is. Sees ice. I see ice in there. Coffee. Going to make me live forever. That's what coffee does. Of course. And it's cold because it's a little bit hot.

I can drink it quickly. That's what I want. We watch them make it right in front of us, these coffee makers. That's cool. That's a cup of milk. That is an entire cup of milk on ice with one shot of us, these coffee makers. That's cool. That's a cup of milk. That is an entire cup of milk on ice with one shot of espresso in it. Right. We both

learned that as it was happening right in front of us by the coolest looking human of all time. How's your body reacting to said ice? I actually passed it on to our Quills employee, Bruce. You did. Because I said, I can't just drink a whole glass of milk. I'm not that tough. How do you feel? Do you feel energized?

Do you feel good? I do feel energized because I did have an XL Starbucks on the way into work today. Oh, so you're trying both. Yeah, exactly. I should have done what you did. I should have passed it up as well because this was about a 16-ounce glass of whole milk, mind you. This was not 1% skim milk. I haven't had whole milk in about 20 years.

My guts are bubbling right now. I told you guys right before we came on air, I'm going to shit my pants during the show today. I just hope I can get through the first hour. As you were doing your monologue, I farted four or five times. I was kind of just rolling the dice. Kind of experiencing it. Yeah, exactly. I made a mistake

and was the payoff ultimately worth it? I don't think it was because I think I probably would have been good just sitting with the Starbucks. That gave me enough energy. I didn't need, you know. 16-ounce lattes, a big glass of milk.

Bro, did you know what that is? I'm going in this motherfucker blind. I did not know there was that much milk in there. Love vanilla lattes. I normally get about this big because, you know, there's only that much espresso. All right, here's the deal then. Hashtag PMS poop watch.

All right. You guessed the exact time that Ty is taking off out of the studio. If it's during a commercial break, we will look at the time when it is. Obviously, we'll be live for probably the next three hours and 17 minutes-ish. So Eastern Standard Time is what the time we will go off of. So if you're Pacific, please add three hours and all the other times. It is currently 12.13 with 25 seconds PM Eastern Standard Time. Go ahead and use hashtag PMS Poop Watch.

And guess what time you think Ty will be heading to the John. Now, you've already given us a couple clues. Four or five already out there. Don't know. It was getting a little sketchy, huh? A little close. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I mean, not super close. But again, I told you guys, too close for comfort. And one of these times, I'm going to get cocky and kind of just lift my leg up a little bit. And will we count that then, Shart? If he poops pants, Shart's pants right here. Well, I think we have to count it. We'll have to check his pants to see if there's a mark or not. Well, see, we don't need that much transparency. Well, see, I don't know, though, because that will just be like a shart is fine.

I'm going to drop a scud missile in the bathroom at some point within the next three hours. So whether you want to count the shart as, you know, the poop watch, that's fine. But I am going to drop an absolute nuke in there. So this is what happened just two seconds before the show started. Ty said, oh, I was just pooped on that fart right there. And it kind of got into all of our brains. So that's why my open to the show was quite a clog because we were just trying to figure out how we get this into the show.

Hashtag PMS Poop Watch is on right now. All eyes are on Ty's bladder. We will make it when you leave studio door to go to the bathroom. Okay. Sounds good. If you leave studio to go, whatever, whatever doesn't count, doesn't count. If it is a, as soon as you are heading to bathroom is the time that'll count. We'll keep an eye on that.

Uh, and good luck to whoever wins the, uh, $500 if they guess. We're not scooping it out and send them a bag of poop. I mean, that would be a much more personalized gift. Yeah. It's not going to be solid, so scooping is going to be tough. Yeah, maybe freeze it, though, in a bowl. I figure we'd get a colander or something.

Okay, well. Listen, when I seen that whole milk getting dumped into that cup, I just thought to myself, it's got to stop. I thought maybe it was like a half cup was going in there. Me too, like a third. I think it tasted delicious, though, didn yeah like i said i mean shit haven't had whole milk in 20 years it is delicious there's no two ways about it and you are jacked up look at

the energy yeah i mean you're through the roof the eyes wide open over there you can't be drinking fucking 16 ounces of whole milk you just can't do it yeah well we're gonna find out today how long it takes for that thing to really get out of you. Congratulations. All right, let's talk about some sports. Brandon Staley has explained his fourth down methods in an athletic article. Now, we have asked him about this whenever he was sitting in studio, and he said he comes from the Brad and Linda Staley coaching tree, which is his dad was a high school football coach, I believe. His mom was also a coach.

So he just goes by feel. A lot of it, honestly, was surprising to us as he was giving us an answer because we thought he was just like data analytics to every decision that was being made because the data and analytics people on the Internet were saying, hey, this coach, Daly. Go for it. This guy's our guy. This is our hero.

Everything we've been saying on the Internet garnering a lot of attention and changing the way football is talked about and giving people careers and welcoming more people into the NFL community in the NFL media community because now the super nerds have an ability to cover the NFL because the math majors can start piecing things together well in third and long likelihood of making it's this third and five or short though your likelihood is actually a 55 percent and if you look at 55 percent you know what that is that's more than half the time so So if you're kind of behind, there is a much better opportunity for you to continue to go and lose a turnover if you go for a fourth and four, fourth and three, as opposed to not. Now,

do those stats take into account the 45% of the time when it doesn't work and a coach potentially gets fucking fired from it? Do those stats take in even the 30 percent of times when something's 70 to 30 that sounds like an overwhelmingly positive stat and dominant stat it is but three times out of 10 that motherfucker's still not going to work yeah and if you land in that three times out of 10 what are the ripple effects for that does your team not make the playoffs does your coach lose his job does your quarterback get deemed a bust because of some decisions that are being made in crucial game management situations now can stats tell the story on whether or not a player who's normally rated a 95 who showed up at an 81 because he's partially injured and maybe a little bit sick from something that he ate two days ago and has been getting the

worst of the entire day are you taking into account that whenever you're thinking about the overall odds are you taking into account that you have a quarterback who's a once-in-a-generation quarterback and those stats involve a lot of bum-ass quarterbacks i mean i understand the arguments for both sides but staley was being heralded as the guy who was representing for the stats people in one of the most important positions in the sport of football and he was everybody looking at making the right decision they go'd go for it on fourth, they wouldn't get it. The stats people would go,

bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. In that particular setting, it was 81% chance success rate. I would take that every single time if I was gambling on anything. It's like, yes, gambling for sure.

But if that gamble is also your career, are you going to gamble that? I think you should maybe go into it. Staley has had an electrifying start to a head coaching career. They've gone for it. They have a player.

They've missed some that people have buried him on. They've made some that he's been excited about. So whenever he came on our show and we asked him, we said, are you just looking at the stats all the time because that's what it's kind of being, like, looks like on the Internet and the way it's being covered. He goes, no, just kind of a feel thing. Kind of a feel thing. Kind of a feel thing. Just kind of how I feel with my guys.

You know, I think they're going to do this. And he had all these incredible coach speak. And we were all mind blown. It was like, holy fuck. This dude is literally just like, my guys are better than your guys. I'm going to go for it. If the stats people say I'm right, sweet. But I haven't had a conversation with a number of people ever.

That's basically what he told us. Now he's opened up a little bit more. Yeah. He wasn't necessarily telling us the truth. It did not sound like he was telling us the truth. What's that all about? He thought we couldn't handle the truth? We can't

handle the truth? The math truth? Is that what it is, Connor, you think? I think it might have to do with the fact that there are a lot of voices on the headset from what he said. If we know anything about what we've talked about before, sometimes too many voices on the headset's a problem. and you know if we know anything about what we've talked about before sometimes too many voices on the headsets a problem well you know I was like super pumped that the ultimate football guy was coaching because I thought the stats people lost their God and we gained a

guy right because he was just like yeah our guys burn your guys fucking I'm gonna go for it like yeah like that's what he was saying he opened up to the athletic a little bit more there is levels levels to this shit. He's using stats just like we thought. More than anybody else. He's going into drives. What's the first play of the drive? What's the whole thing? Yeah, we're either green light, a go, or a no in this. And they'll know the play caller

Lombardi, who's not related to Michael Lombardi. I don't know if it's related to Trophy Lombardi. Lombardi's are all over the place. Hey, how you doing? Keep it moving. How's the family? The Lombardi play caller, though, he needs the place hey how you doing the Lombardi play caller though he needs to know going into every drive if it's go or if it's not if it's fourth and less than four we're going to go on this drive just because of how the world is spinning or something like that so Staley opened up in this athletic article and I mean they're using stats more than anybody

else by the way I like it I appreciate. I think it's probably the right move. But feel has to be added in there, and Staley's also doing that, right? Isn't he, I think? I mean, I think so. But don't you think also that if you're thinking about it this much, like that kind of just goes into like the exact – like it's not a feel thing. Like if you have all these different like parameters for, okay, if we have this situation we're going –

Do we have the quote? Like it – I don't know. I feel like it's almost – Let's put the exact quote up here. Paralysis by analysis. I don't know we have the quote? Like it, I don't know. I feel like it's almost. Let's put the exact quote up here. Paralysis by analysis. And I don't know. I don't, you know, I don't know if that is. So obviously this is a lot.

It's an athletic, the athletic article. And hashtag BMS poop watch trending number one right now. Here we go. Only six people would be involved in game management decisions on the headsets. Staley, his three coordinators. Offense coordinator, Joe Lombardi. Staley, his three coordinators, offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi, defense coordinator Ronaldo Hill, and then special teams coordinator Darius Swinton,

plus two staffers devoted exclusively to game management strategy, director of football research and analytics, Adida Krishnan, and offensive assistant Dan Shamash, who had previous game management experience on Anthony Lynn's. Oh, well. No offense to Shamash, but game management with,

I don't know if that's the name that you would want to. I got him fired. I mean, there was five, six games Anthony Lynn's last year head coach in the Chargers where literal game management lost them. So we like call it red flag. No, well, just because Smosh was there doesn't mean Smosh was part of it. You know what I mean?

Smosh was learning. Smosh learned from it. Yeah, but if he comes from a coaching tree, you know, for Staley, it's his parents. For Smosh, it's Anthony Lynn. No, no, no. But Smosh is, let's not just blame Smosh. Okay.

All right, let's go back. Those are the six people on the headset. Those six people are in complete alignment in terms of how we're going about these decisions, says Staley. You don't have time to have a big powwow. You don't have time to have this intricate back and forth on a headset during a game. Next, Staley constructed the mechanics of the fourth down decision making in a yes unless system. the mechanics of the fourth down decision making in a yes unless system at the start of each series of downs on offense win probability models from the chargers football research department would indicate the number of yards the offense would have to gain on first second and third down to

make it a go for it or green in the team's lexicon decision say the chargers have a first and 10 from their own 40 yard line and say the model indicates that they would increase their win probability by going for it on fourth down as long as they have four or fewer yards to gain. That information is communicated to all relevant parties, including Lombardi. Lombardi can then call plays on first, second, and third down, knowing that if he gets the fourth and four or less, the Chargers are going for it unless staley says otherwise you can be a better decision maker if you have things modeled ahead of time staley says you have to go into the game with a plan and then with uh then that way you're

saying no as opposed to deciding yes or no i'm going into it saying we're doing this unless with the infrastructure built the chargers under the 2021 season it's not just about the one down and on fourth down Staley says it's what's happened on the previous three and that changes the way you play and changes the way they have to play you and that's what I wanted to do was use mindset and math to our advantage huh all right boys we're 0 for 6 on third and less than five today but this the chart says fucking if it's fourth and five or less, we got to go. No, I think what he's saying is we are going for it every time on fourth and four or less, if the thing, the research model says it.

I'm going to be the one that's going to say no. Everybody is understanding that we are going for it. So it isn't a, are we going for it, are we not going for it? If it's fourth and five, everybody on the field knows we're not going for it so it isn't a are we going for it are we not going for it if it's fourth and five everybody on the field knows we're not going for it in this situation if it's fourth and three everybody knows we are going for it unless staley goes out and says you guys look like shit get on that was a lot yeah yeah hon that was a lot so everything you said to us was a lie yeah he's a sandbagger is what it sounds like they're didn't want us. They're using more. They said model in there. They have a research development team that's sending information.

There's Shamash is on there and Aditi's on there. I mean, there is. This is. He's more anybody. He's sitting right here fucking telling us he doesn't do anything. I'm from Brian Linda. What was that? He was in the hot seat.

He didn't want it to get any hotter. Hey, welcome to the Thunderdome, pal. Okay. Jeez Louise. This makes sense. I'm not using hotter. Hey, welcome to the Thunderdome, pal. Okay, geez louise. This makes sense. I'm not using AI. By the way, this makes sense. They might. That might be what the fucking motto is, right?

The motto is you weren't worried about it. It's calling their plays. The AI is coaching the Chargers already. No, they are not. You put up that quote. What was the last sentence yet again? What was the last sentence he said? He clearly said it's not just AI.

It's not just about one down on fourth down,aley says gonna have to take the ticker down and that changed the way you play and change uh uh use mindset and math to our advantage it's not just ai it's mindset go for it or you will die that is interesting that that he just broke that whole thing down you know because maybe sweet bl Blake gets a job with fucking Chargers. Maybe Sweet Blake and Lambda go sign up for the Chargers and they'll just make it. Why wouldn't they? Hello, NFL head coach Sweet Blake.

Give that guy a headset. That was dialed up way too quickly. Well, the thing about Sweet Blake is, Sweet Blake's going to have to continue to massage these algorithms and codes. If he wants these algorithms and codes to make the right calls on fourth down and not the, ah, you're fucked calls on fourth downs, Sweet Blake's going to have to do what Sweet Blake does to Lambda and all the algorithms that he potentially gets his meat on.

It just seems like a whole lot of mumbo jumbo, personally. You don't say. You know? And it's like, I don't understand the six people. So are you saying, like, to Tony's point, if they're 0 for 5 on third downs or whatever, and you have maybe your DC or Lombardi be like, hey, I understand the fucking model says we need to go for this,

but maybe we should punt right now. And I know we're back in football season because we're going right back to the same thoughts that we've had in years past. And I have evolved on some takes. This is not one of them. No. I feel like the world is lacking accountability. And I feel like this added stats for the people that just go with stats,

add in an excuse when something doesn't go well. Why didn't you do it? Or why'd you choose to do that? Well, the book, which is obviously created by people much smarter than me and smarter than you, says that this is the right move to do at the time and obviously he's got to run it but i was told in the numbers show if you do your own research 72 percent of the time it ends up on in our favor this time it didn't it's like i feel like that is an out for people now i'm not saying staley would say it's an out or any of these people are using it as an out but goddamn how come somebody can't just say yeah i get the stats i understand what's the the upside what's the downside and what's the downside.

But ultimately, at the end, it's my decision on whether or not we're going for it. I either feel it or I don't. I feel like that's like Tomlin. I feel Bill Belichick. I feel like all the greatest coaches of all time don't have the out of, oh, the stats told me to do that. I might be wrong. I don't know.

If we're matriculating down the field and Lombardi was saying, hey, the numbers told me that four out of five times that this is going to do that. I just, I don't, I like the addition of stats. I think it's great. The knowledge is power in everything. The more educated you can get before you make a decision that's going to decide something, I think, cool. Too much information, not being able to know how to calculate the information, that was

also a problem in the NFL for a long time. Stats were getting thrown at football guys, and they're like, what the fuck do these even mean? Well, 62% of the time, if you were to run ball sweep left on first down, it is going to work better than if you run to the right. It's like, well, what about the other 38% of the time, though? Are we dealing with hundreds and zeros,

or are we dealing with, like, because there's you know, that 38 in the history of football, that 38% is a lot of plays. That's a lot of fucking plays. And if we get added into it, it's not going to change much. And your algorithm's not going to change. But I'm going to be on the receiving end of the, why'd you make that decision?

Like, I just don't like when stats become the only deciding factor. Because to me, it feels like just an excuse. And somebody doesn't want to take on the fucking pressure and responsibility of making the decision. Sure, stats are great. Use them every day, and they're great for gambling. And like you said, I don't know about real life or whatever, but I think it's good if the coaching staff has the stats in their head

maybe before the game, and they can recall that at a certain point during the game, like, hey, we're on the plus 40, whatever, fourth and two, yeah, we're down. We need to go for it, okay? Need that. But to determine, like. It's hard to be mad at a book. Pre-drive.

Like, as a fan, player, owner, I assume. Coach comes out and says, book tells us to do that. Like, it's hard to be like, fuck that book. Burn it. You know what I mean? Like, I just, I feel like, I don't know, it's an accountability thing for me. But I'm sorry. I just don't like the pre-drive.

Like, determining pre-drive thing. Where, like, the offensive corner is like, oh, we don't really have to get many yards on first, second, or third down. I know if we get six or seven, we're going for it on fourth. And let's assume we're not understanding everything that was put on paper in front of us right there anyways because our reading level, our advanced reading level is probably pretty low. But that didn't seem like the answer that I thought we were going to get at all with that.

Well, and I don't think it's necessarily the case, but it does. Like, any time we talk to someone who has, like, really high football IQ when it comes to offense, and when you talk about, like, play calling, it's almost like an art. And I feel like that takes away a lot of the feel of it, because it is. It's like, you kind of already know what you're doing. You're beholden to something else. You can't just go with your gut, really, unless, I mean, Staley said, you know, hey,

ultimately, like, if I don't like the way something's going, then I'll change it. But it does – like, to your point, it seems like it's just, you know, you're beholden to something else, and that's an easy out if things don't go your way. And we don't like to be a negative crew. No, we love the Chargers. We hope people go for it on fourth down all the time and make it,

and it's awesome. And I hope teams that are going against the colts i mean colts are another fourth down team that you know interesting there's a book that also probably tells them to do what they do and some of them backfire and the book doesn't remember you the book doesn't remember your heartbreak the book doesn't remember what you're going through the book doesn't remember going down to clontown last week of the season and fucking embarrassing the city. Like, the book doesn't remember that, you know? And that's why I don't like the normally super positive about stuff.

Yeah. This one, I like responsibility, you know? I like somebody being like, yeah, I'm doing this. Now, Belichick, one of the first guys ever to use stats, right? Isn't that what old buddy up on the field? Ernie Adams. Ernie Adams is like one of the first stats people in the game be like hey i love the game of football i grew up with bill belichick but my brain calculates things differently than his wall street guy hey bill did you know that

out of the 27,258 times a screen has been run to the right half of the field, the left guard has never pulled. Maybe we pool guard change game. And Bill goes, thank you, fucking genius. Any more of those you want? Yeah, well, if you get me a video of everybody's signs, I can memorize those just like this and let our offense know exactly what the defense is doing bill says fucking bet pal i got anything else you got so i understand that stats have been beneficial to

people for a long time but i the whole it needs to be the entire thing is just fucked up to me and i know at the end he said well it's mindset and stats but we watched last year it was yeah hey and i respect it i fucking respect that you have that mindset. But it doesn't calculate the, hey, it's going to get shoved up your rear end here on the other side of this. Yeah, and we saw it twice in the first, like, ten weeks where they did that and beat the Chiefs. And then they did that and they lost by, like, 30 to the Ravens. So, like, you definitely can see where it benefits, where it doesn't. But, like, you mentioned having a generational talent.

Like, there's a difference between what Staley just said and then Harbaugh, like, asking Lamar when they're playing the Chiefs on Sunday Night Football, like, hey, it's fourth and one. Do you want to go for it or not? Love that. Like, that is such a – it's two completely different, like, ways of going about deciding. And, like, the Staley one just doesn't feel like the one where it's like,

hey, do my guys want to go for it versus does the computer want my guys to go for it? By the way, every guy always wants to go for it. Yeah. Allegedly. Even though there's probably some guys during some drives that are like, we need to go back to the drawing board. You're getting killed.

This is not good, yeah. Oh, what player are we running? Oh, great. Have we not watched this guy? Hey, this guy has beaten us every single time. Now we're running that. Oh, now this is going to be on me. Oh, this is now mine.

All right. All right. Ooh. Bang. Blow it up. Other way. I mean, it's – I like how aggressive people are getting. This is just like that guy, high school football coach or college football coach.

He doesn't. He kicks onside kicks. Yeah, every single time. And goes for it every single time. Never punts or anything like that. I think he went like 0-50 or something in actual football. It was in a low level. He won and did all that.

I think. I might be mistaken. By the way, Guy sounds like a great guy, a guy I'd want to be friends with. If I'm running a team, I'd like to kick an onside kick every single time as well. Now, not if anything was actually on the line and jobs were dependent upon it or anything like that because there's been years and years and years of information collected by the greatest football minds and you know there's strategies that you can play or you can just you know get out there and play chess and just push all the things for you know like you might be

able to win that way i'm not 100 sure but like he had stats on his side you know like well my team recovered it 32 of the time which is 32 more possession of the ball it's like what about the other 68 of the time that you're giving the more possession of the ball. It's like, what about the other 68% of the time that you're giving the other team a short field? And then on that short field, it's like, well, they will score from 70% of the time. That's never added into all the other shit, it feels like. You know what I mean? Well, and ultimately, I mean, if they win this year,

it won't matter, right? They'll laud him as a genius. If you get it. Yeah, if they go 12-5 and make the playoffs. But it seems like this kind of stuff, or at least last year, early on they were going for it a bunch. They were getting it. It was awesome.

And then late in the season when they started to kind of choke down the stretch or fall apart. Oh, jeez. Well, it's this guy's negativity. They fall apart down the stretch, and it gets magnified tenfold. So if they make the playoffs this year, no one's going to give a shit, and he'll be a genius. But if they don't, it's like, hey.

Remember, when it matters, it matters. Right. The second time they played the Chiefs. Remember they had like four or five opportunities just to kick a field goal, and they would have gone on to win the game, but instead they didn't. They went for it, and then the Chiefs come back, and it goes to overtime, and Kelsey scores his second touchdown. Like there are specific times that stand out, and I think what Ty said,

like if they did go to the playoffs last year, maybe we're not talking about it as much, but it seems as though they blew the season because of the fact that his fourth down method kind of was different. Just like fake punts and fake field goals, if you get it, you're a hero. If you don't, you're an idiot. Tone, to wrap this thing up. I was just looking because I know there were some egregious ones last year.

The last game of the year last year, remember when the winner of that goes to the playoffs? They went for it on fourth and one on their own 18 in the third quarter when they were down 17-14 to the Raiders. They did not get it. The Raiders, obviously, that's a short field. That's on their own 18, third quarter, to get in the playoffs. And that last drive, too. Three-point game.

Three-point fucking game. I don't know how I don't remember that because I think at the end of that game, right, there was the whole thing that happened. I think they hit five fourth downs on that last drive. Yeah, exactly. That makes sense. The last drive you have to go for. Yeah. But that's where the stats get skewed because all those fourth downs that they probably made that game on the last drive end up kind of tilting the entire stats, even though they lost the one on the 18.

It's probably when you look at the game as a whole, like, oh, we did the right thing because on 7% of the time. 6 of 8 on fourth down. We just want everybody to know stats are on everybody's team. Yes. You just need to realize that. When you come with a stat, unless it's 100 to 0, there is some stat that, well, if it's 99 to 1, that's also great.

Yeah, but that 1%, let's talk about that 1%. What happened to the 1% thing that happened? Can't live in your fears, obviously. I think it's good information, but we can't shape every decision around it. Staley sounded like he kind of was saying that, but then he closed it out with mindset as well. So it's a yes unless. We're going unless Staley goes, I don't like the look on my guy's eyes.

Antonio Brown was chit-chatting about his football future again. On Sidewalk in LA it appeared he was chatting with somebody from TMZ. A lady was holding her phone doing this

interview with Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown appears to be in a great spot and is he coming back to the NFL? What? Last time we saw

Antonio Brown on an NFL field obviously he was shirtless chucking the deuces. Then he hopped into Danny Boy Hustlehard's GMC, UConn, went into a studio, and then the superstardom

of Antonio Brown has only grown from then. He was in a room with Madonna and Floyd Mayweather and Kanye, and he worked together now. I mean, he has really been on a rocket ship. Is he coming back to the NFL? Will an NFL team sign one of the greatest wide receivers of all time? And which NFL team is on his mind?

Let's go to TMZ reporter with a cell phone on a sidewalk. Listen, people want you to come back to football. Tell Jerry Jones to call me. Really? Maybe. Yeah? You want the production? Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. If you want the chance. If you want the production. Yeah.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Where do you think you could end up? In the sky. In the sky. Have you spoken to Tom Brady at all? No, but tell him I missed the passes.

I'm still open. I fucking love Antonio Brown. The best. He is the best. How about that lady shooting up his sky just in case he was pointing at a place that he was headed to? You know what I mean? That's very nice of Antonio Brown. If he wants me to do my dance, shit.

Put my shit on, dude. Cowboys make sense. Cowboys do make sense. Antonio Brown and a star. Gallop off injury. Cowboys make sense. Cowboys do make sense. Antonio Brown and a star. Oh. Gallop off injury. Washington just got hurt. So remember whenever Creed had those big bald baby looking things flying around?

Of course. Think about what Kanye is going to have every single fucking game if Antonio Brown is playing for the Dallas Cowboys. Maybe he will be doing it. But I thought he said. Oh, yes. Put that shit on. I thought he said you fooling yourself if you think I'm playing football next year.

That was at that moment. I think he's been training now. Yeah. I think he feels a little bit better. I think he's what? He had an ankle injury there leaving the NFL. Remember he said, I'll get surgery. You sign me.

I'll get surgery. I ain't going under that thing unless somebody's going to say I need to. Now he's like, hey, Jerry, you want to say bring AB back? Bring Mr. Big Chest back? Bring back... Hemathy. Hemathy. Bring back...

Ronald. Ronald. Bring back Antonio Brown? Yeah. Fucking I'll get that surgery today, cuz. And Dak Prescott will be thrown into a wide open Antonio Brown. Cuz just like you said to Tom Brady, still fucking open. Here we go, Atta Baby.

Here we go, Atta Baby. An hour or two, another hour of chit-chat about sports coverage. Omar Khan, the new Pittsburgh Steelers general manager, will join us in about seven minutes. Cannot wait to chat with him. Hashtag PMS Poop Watch still trending because Ty Schmidt is going to explode at some point during today's episode because he had a nice latte this morning, which we learned was a cup of whole milk with a shot of espresso. And with this man's guts and the fact that he already housed an XL Starbucks on the way in,

it's only a matter of time. Tick-tock, tick-tock. That poop's going to drop. Yeah, absolutely. It is beginning to crown. So we are, it's coming here shortly. Get your guesses in. We have not hit the time.

Use hashtag PMS poop watch. What time will Ty Schmidt exit that door right there from the studio to go to the bathroom? He has gone out there once. I believe it was to grab something from his book bag. That did not count. But the time he exits that door to go demolish a toilet will be the winning time. If you get it right, you'll be one of four winners of $500. We can't thank you

enough for watching. I have Boston Connors here and the other member of the Talks table. Has he caught a little gas here? Oh yeah, it's been smelling pretty pretty bad. What, a candle? You got candles. No, it's okay. You don't want to, you know, light anything on fire, especially with all the stuff on here. You never know with the Pokemon cards or if this guy, whatever the hell

it is, lights on fire. Well, you can set fire to the rain. What does that mean? I don't know. I'm just kind of lighting up wet spots. We all sang, though. We sang that. Oh, yeah. When Adele releases

a song, we all felt that shit. Yeah, especially because you never know with Adele. You don't want her you know. Tone Diggs is here. One half of the hammer. Cowboys. Tone, how's the gambling going, pal? What are we betting on these days?

Preseason football, MLB, baseball. We got some NFL futures, some college football futures. Are you guys having an episode tomorrow? Where? What? Hammered down. Tomorrow where? Are you guys having an episode of Hammered Down tomorrow or not? To be TBD. Oh, so we might not have an episode tomorrow. Yeah, that's not what I said.

What a half-ass fucking bullshit operation you guys got going. Taking Wednesday off? Okay. Oh, all right. Oh, it's Thursday. Okay. All right. What's that all about, pal?

Well, we're going to Colts training camp, so I don't know if it's physically possible. We are going to be at Colts training camp tomorrow. Cannot wait for that. A man that would not be with us, but is normally with us for the second and third hours of these shows, except for yesterday because he was raised money for the troops. That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, college football

national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, multi-time. Just like two times. Maybe three. Back to back. We don't know. Four. Still a thing, right? COVID's still a thing? Oh, yeah. Is to back? We don't have four. Yeah. Still a thing, right? COVID's still a thing? Oh, yeah.

Is it? Jill Biden just got COVID today. Dr. Jill. Dr. Jill. Jill Biden has COVID. Dr. Jill Biden. So our president gave his wife COVID? Well, no, they kept him isolated, I think, because he was doing his stuff from like a Zoom link.

Right. He had a lip beard in a room that had not been upgraded for, I don't know, the 90s, 60s. Oh, yeah. He was biking on a beach. He wanted to get bathing suits yesterday. Well, yeah, that's after he beat the... Zoom link Right In a room That had not been upgraded For about 90, 60 Oh yeah He was biking on a beach He wanted to get bathing suits Yesterday Well yeah

That's after he beat They had him isolated Okay He beat it Anyways Join us as a man That also beat COVID Numerous times

Just like we hope Dr. Joe Biden Well good luck And good luck Pete Carroll I think Had it too You did Yeah

Pete Carroll Someone else Kurt Cousins Kurt Cousins Kyler Murray Yeah We hope everybody's surviving Just like this guy did Ladies and gentlemen AJ I think had it too. You did, yeah. Pete Carroll. Someone else did. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray. Yeah. We hope everybody's surviving.

Just like this guy did. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ. Yeah, AJ! AJ, thanks for beating COVID, dude. Hell yeah. Thank you, thank you. A few times. Not more than two, I don't think yet.

So yeah, we're going strong right now. Oh, a couple of times? Yeah, I think so. But I think, I want to get my guess in for Ty. I'd say 148 Ty takes his dump out there, or he just dumps his pants accidentally. Okay, so dumping of the pants does not count. He does have to take a – he has to run. What do you mean?

We covered this in the first hour, AJ. Okay, all right, then I'm in. 148. 148 p.m. Eastern Standard Time is when the – the numbers have to be Eastern Standard Time for your guess. You have to tweet that, AJ. Okay, tweet it for me, Bill. Bill does not have your logins. Yeah, what the hell? I don't evenweet it for me, Bill. Bill does not have your logins.

Yeah, what the hell? I don't even know my login, really. Dirty's making graphics. Bill's doing tweets for AJ. What is this guy doing? I like it, AJ. I like what you got going on, becoming a full social media operation. AJ, how was the golf tournament yesterday?

We missed you, pal. Yeah, I missed you guys. It was fun. It was, you know, outings usually take a while. It took a little while to get through it, but it was good, man. It was fun. It was, you know, outings usually take a while. It took a little while to get through it, but it was good, man. It was fun. It was good, perfect weather. Shotgun start.

How many people at each hole? Two people, two teams at each hole? Yeah, two groups. I mean, the event is, you know, it's giant now. It was sold out quick. So, yeah, two groups every hole. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. There's backup.

Was it par five, par three were the, what's that called? The backup? Bottleneck. Bottleneck. It was a par five, par three. Yeah, there's always, you know, up? Bottleneck. Bottleneck. Was it part five, part three? Yeah, there's always a couple holes that bottleneck the rest of the course, I feel like, where three or four groups are stuck. Yeah, were you near Bob Carpenter?

Was General Bob at this thing? Bob did not play in this. No! What the heck? General Bob isn't going to events anymore in Columbus, Ohio. Is he okay? Is he sick? Has he got COVID?

What? He's going to plenty of events, I think. I don't know why he wasn't in on this one, though. I haven't asked him yet. I'll ask him tonight at practice. It's going to be tough to call him tonight at practice. Yeah, we have football practice four nights a week. I see him every four days a week now.

And then once the season starts, we practice three days, I believe. So you guys have practice last night, tonight, tomorrow, and Thursday? Right now we go Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and then games start, and then it's like Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, game Sunday. That's a lot of football, a lot of pads. You guys helmet to helmet every single day? Let's get CT in these kids quick.

Hell yeah. Not helmet to helmet. We don't call it that. We say full pads for practice, yes. Oh, helmet to helmet. Yeah, you guys do it helmet to helmet. Yeah, sounds like. Full pads every day?

Full pads every day? Yeah, that's like kids when you're young, there's no like, hey, shells today, guys. Like you didn't play football growing up, I guess. That's not a thing. Hold on. Do you have guardians on these kids or no? The good old kids.

Can you imagine these tiny kids? They have a hard time strapping their helmet. A lot of them, this is the first time playing football. And if they try to put guardians on the top of that, they would all just fall over. So I think one of the first times we talked to you, we were talking about how many people you've potentially killed. And you said, well, it's kill or be killed in there. So sorry, everybody's going to die, is what you said.

That's how you described Oklahoma drills or whatever, or bull in the ring or whatever the fuck you call it, wherever you're from. Is that what you're teaching these kids? Like you're telling your kid, like, hey, you're going to be scared to death. It's going to hurt. But you need to hurt other people more than you get hurt you're going to get got

you just got to get yours more you get got though is that what you're saying to your kids right now or what is the coaching advice for these kids running their faces into each other four nights a week in the middle of ohio well right now it's it's all strictly fundamentals how to teach like the proper way to tackle the proper way to block all that stuff keep your head out of it if your head does make some contact, no big deal. Get your hands out in front. Don't try to jam that head again at the guy's head. But if it happens, don't worry.

You're not going to be in trouble. I try to tell him that. And if you get blasted, guess what? Get up. We've all been blasted. So you, General Bob, and Schlage, it's the Buckeye heroes are coaching this team? Unfortunately, Schlage is not coaching this team this year. Oh, he doesn't like kids.

Wow. Schlage doesn't like kids. He's in Jacksonville. He wanted to move back here, but he's still in Jacksonville. Is he still on the Jags, or he's just living down there? No, he's living down there. He's got kids in high school that are in sports and everything, so it's kind of hard.

Urban really fucked it up. Yeah, he did. For a lot of people. Nobody ever talks about that. Schlage better go. Nobody ever talks about the director of conditioning. Schlage was tasked with what? He had to be an engineer, too.

They're building up in a full new building. Schlegs, build this up, build this up, do this, move the fam. I'm going to take my own plane home from Cincinnati, Schlegs. Schlegs, why don't you make sure the boy's getting good shape this week? I'm going to stick around, stick behind here. And then, boom, he's gone. Schlegs is like, what does that mean for me? Boom, you're gone too, pal.

Just like that, right? He was just living his life in Columbus, Ohio. Hey, all good, all good. Hey, you want to be in the NFL? Want to design a new weight room? Want to flip an entire franchise around? Yeah, yeah, I'll move the whole family. Let me put my work boots on.

I'll do some squats down there. Boom, boom, boom. And then, bang, out of town. See you later. Nothing, Schleg. Stick around in the heat. You got nothing else to do. Wild.

Damn shame. That's wild. That's the tough life of being a coach. You are attached to that head coach mainly. Whether it's on you or not, yeah, you're going to have to move around. He knew that when he took the gig, though. So, yeah, he's all right. They take care of him.

Yeah, I concur. And I believe – here we go, ladies and gentlemen. It's a big deal. Let's go. This is a big deal. Huge. Isn't it? I mean's a big deal. Let's go. This is a big deal. Huge. Isn't it? I mean, this is large.

Yeah, huge. Because I'm from a town with a great football team. Go on and get them Steelers. All right. So in Pittsburgh, football is literally just a way of life. It is an actual football town. I was very lucky to be baptized in NFL waters. The entire town goes as the Steelers go in the fall. There's been plenty of weeks that have been

miserable around town because Cordell Stewart had an incompletion in the fourth quarter that led to a division loss. Then there's been times where it's been nothing but triumph in jovial attitudes because the Pittsburgh Steelers pulled out a miraculous win in the fourth quarter on the game on Sunday. That is how Pittsburgh is. Now, for the first time in 22 years, there's a new general manager, a new person building the roster, a new person calling the shots in free agency, in draft, alongside Mike Tomlin, a man who's been within the Steelers organization since 2001, the brand new general manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Omar Khan. Yeah!

Omar! Might be the best intro I've ever gotten. That was awesome. Well, first, I mean, you're new to this GM game. I'm sure some other motherfuckers will give you a good one too. But I am honored to have you here, man. Thank you for joining us. How's life?

Thanks for having me.'s it's been great you know it's uh living a dream and you know i'm in i'm in pittsburgh as you know what it means to be uh uh the gm and be part of this team here it's it's been awesome yeah if there's success you'll be out and about if not good hunkered down turn that thing around uh yeah you've been a part of the Steelers organization for 21 years now and Colbert allegedly was going to draft the next quarterback and then he was going to kind of drift off. It was almost like a smooth handoff. Now I think they interviewed numerous other people. You

ended up being the right person for the job. I think every Steelers person knew you were going to get hired over everybody else because of how the Steelers have operated for a long time. I assume you knew that as well. GM is something you always wanted to do. This is kind of why you get in the profession that you got in in 2001. Out of Tulane University, you want to become a GM. And now you're with Pittsburgh. Has it been a lot? Has it been too much? Has there been anything that you haven't expected yet come across your table? No, it's been awesome. It's been great.

I have no complaints. Obviously, my phone rings a little bit more. I get more emails, um, get more text messages and you know, I'm up at night. Every time I get up in the middle of night, I'm returning. I have a habit of returning text messages and emails. So, uh, that's about it. But other than that, it's been exactly what I expected. I had a great teacher and, and Kevin had been around some great people that have made the transition really smooth for me. What do you guys do in the interview process, which obviously you've been a part of interviewing candidates and head coaching candidates in the past, but you guys, you don't have 15 coaches rolling through there in 20 years like some programs seem like they do. Do you guys do anything different or more in depth? Like hiring Tomlin was a genius move,

I feel like. Obviously you guys had a lot of success. And now you interview and you get hired. Like, were they using some of your own tricks on yourself? You know what? I don't know. You'd have to ask the boss that. But, you know, they've always done a great job of supporting their people here, whether it's the GM or the head coach or the assistant coach as a trainer, people on the business side.

And, you know, the expectation isn't, Hey, you got to win in X amount of years and you're, and you're gone. Like there's, there's a plan in place that, you know, longevity is important. And they understand that the ride to the top is, you know, it's a roller coaster to the top. Right. So, um, and they're willing to ride it. And that's always been awesome. That's an awesome thing. We're talking to Omar Khan, general manager of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now this was Colbert's last draft class, but you on general manager of the pittsburgh steelers now this was colbert's last draft class but you're the gm of the team who gets credit for pickings and pick it like will this go on your resume here like in uh five ten years from now and all the other draftees as

well not just those two but how was that process were you a part of it and do you feel like some sense of ownership over this rookie class or was this Tomlin and Colbert's literal last, you know, kind of dance together during the draft class? I'll say this. You know, Kevin, Kevin obviously led the train. And but we always, you know, he was always great at collaborating and having a lot of us involved and understanding. We give our opinions and this and that. But, you know, Kevin led the train. But like any big Steeler decision, you know, we sit in a room we talk about it we make it we make the decision

we make the stealer's decision and uh move forward so you might have to ask me a question in five five or ten years like you said so we can so i can give you the real answer hell yeah and you're going to be there 15 years from now that's just how the stealers are and how the stealers seem to never get it wrong and the story about Cowher leaving two iron cities in the beer, in the fridge for Mike Tallman. Did Colbert do the same for you? Leave you a couple of beers in the fridge of his office there? I just had a messy office.

That's all I got. Colbert, so you deal with this. I just went through the whole draft class. For the first time in 18 years, first time in 22 years, new GM, first time in 18 years, first time in 22 years, new GM, first time in 18 years, no known starting quarterback. How involved are you in that entire process? How collaborative is that with Tomlin and the coaching crew? Or is that a hands-off?

The coach is coach. They do what they got to do. It's our job to continue to add to the team, make cuts and stuff like that. Mike and I talk multiple times a day. You know, it's a, you know, obviously he's the head coach. He's going to decide who plays. But we talk all day. He keeps me up to date.

I give him my opinion. He gives me his. We talk through things. And, you know, we'll see how it all plays out. Tomlin has been a staple of Pittsburgh. Why is that, you think? Why has Tomlin been such a successful head coach over all these years? Because you've been there watching, obviously, from a different role.

Now you're working alongside of him as a GM. Why do you think Tomlin has worked in the NFL? So, you know, obviously he's a genius when it comes to the X's and O's, but just the person. I mean, he is a great person. I said this in my press conference. You know him, Pat.

The passion this man has for the game of football is just second to none at all levels. I mean, it's just not the NFL or college football. I mean, it doesn't matter what it is, high school football. You know, if there's people on TV throwing a football around, he's going to try to figure out what it is. It's just the passion he has for this game, it's awesome. It's a beautiful thing.

What's it like if you sit and try to plan for the future? Pat and I talk about all the time how the salary cap's not real. You guys can figure it out, manipulate it, kick the can down the road as they say. Compared to when you got in the NFL until now, you've had to change and evolve and progress a lot. Do you try to look five years down the road and say, what's this going to look like?

How could the CBA possibly change how we structure things? Yeah, we always look at it um you know it's funny because when you're in this role i i kevin iso you know you have to look at the things not only on the short term but long term but yeah we look at it usually about four years out you know and then it's just projections right we don't know uh how much the salary cap is going to go up you know what type of deals they're going to get to run it up i mean i'm not sure the league's getting all the marketing-type deals you're getting right now, Pat.

Whoa! I don't know if that's going to happen. Yeah, we look at it usually like four years out. I don't know, man. $2.5 billion for Reds. Have you heard about this? $2.5 billion for Sunday? Do you keep an eye on that at all or no?

No, I just wait to see what the cap's going to be. That's it. Is that what it is? That's a pretty big number. The current number is $1 billion with DirecTV. And I guess what they're asking for with the next one is $2.5 billion. It's going to be either Apple or Amazon.

That's for Sunday ticket, red zone. That's it. So that should do a significant... I think that's what AJ's asking. Do you keep an eye on any of this thinking, hey, the salary cap might grow Like drastically Or do they give you pretty good bumpers On what it's probably going to be

We usually take a pretty conservative approach You know we just To be safe But no I don't look at it I didn't know that they were asking The two and a half billion number That's not something I knew That's impressive you know that though That's good Well that's all we got to cover about because by the

way that money directly affects our business too because we are and you know i'm more you know business yeah i got you yeah yeah we're seeing what other people are getting here well they have a lot of money yeah yeah okay all right we gotta pay attention to all that i'm happy you're just paying attention to the team i mean that's an incredible thing the way you shape contracts and the steelers have always been traditionally like old school. Like, hey, this is the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is how we go about doing business. This is the deadline for this type of stuff to get done. This is the deadline for this type of stuff to get done. Just kind of how it's always been, even since like, you know, old Rooney, like original Rooney days. It's kind of a staple of how things operate. And I don't think any Steelers players really cause any shit. Do you look into that when you're drafting guys? Like what guys fit our company? Like what guys fit our mold?

What guys fit our city? What guys fit what we're trying to build? How we go about doing things? Is that an active part of the ingredient and what you're looking for when you're bringing players to the Steelers, you think? Yeah. I mean, we try to identify a Steeler, right? And what that means, you know, that's an open-ended question.

I could be on the show for five hours. We got time! Too much time! We got time. About what a stealer is. And you know the community. You lived here. You grew up here.

So you know what it's like. But yeah, there's a specific individual. You're not always going to be right. You try to be right every time. But yeah, there is a formula there. And what is it? Just going to be a guy that loves football probably, right? Like T.J. Watt, he got introduced last onto the field.

It was his second year or something like that. I thought that was a massive deal in Pittsburgh that this guy's young, getting introduced last, and then you start piecing it together. It's like every play he goes 150 miles an hour. He gets sacks. He's excitable. He works his ass off. And he kicked his agents out of the way to get a deal done to become a Steelers.

It's like he is almost perfect for the city of Pittsburgh. Then you think on the other side, like this Pickens character, guy that people thought tore an ACL, not going to be good. He's a dog and he's blocking people. Like Pittsburgh people are going to be like, this is our motherfucking guy. Like these are things that I think you guys have hit on more than most. Like the Steelers represent the city of Pittsburgh more than a lot of other cities' teams represent the city they're in. And I wonder if that's a calculated thing.

It sounds like it is. It sounds like it actually is. Yeah, I mean, you try. I've been here going on 22 years, so I'm a Pittsburgher. So I've kind of come to understand what it's like and what it means. But we have the formula. Obviously, I can't sit here and tell you what our formula is. Come on!

That wouldn't be fair. I can't. I can't do it. But, you know, there is this specific player that we look for and the intangibles and certain characteristics, and that's never going to change. You know, that goes way before Kevin and before me, and it's worked. And, you know, I think you said it

best. We try to represent the city of Pittsburgh and the community here. That's important for us, and we want players that are going to do the same. Yeah, they want to do the same. Yeah, it's a great organization, man, from top down. It feels like it's awesome. It's like a college,

too. All the OGs come back. That's a beautiful thing. Have you been on any other teams? Have you been around any other NFL teams? I was with the Saints before I came here. I was with the Saints four years before I got hired by the Steelers. But, yeah, I mean, you've been here. You see, it's like having the alumni, you know, around so much.

They come back and, you know, we still stay in touch with them. And it's an awesome thing. It really is. Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger is giving Kenny Pickett gloves to him. That's right. Go ahead, Tom. Omar, I'm sure you know this, but Yinzers for like the last 10 years, that's a finance guy.

That's what they say about Omar Khan. And then Colbert came from more of a scouting background. So now that you've come into the GM role, anything change as far as like for the scouting of the players since you were coming from the finance business side of it versus Colbert being on the scouting side? What changes for you as you go into the GM role there? You know, I think, you know, I said this before that I think like every good leader understands what his strengths are and his weaknesses are, and he surrounds himself around people that are going to help him be successful.

And I put together a great staff. In terms of the scouting process, it's not going to change much. It's work. You know, Kevin always did a great job. And, you know, I've had the opportunity to learn from a Hall of Fame owner in Dan Rooney, a future Hall of Fame owner in Art Rooney, a future Hall of Fame GM in Kevin Colbert, a Hall of Fame coach in Bill Cowher, a future Hall of Fame coach in Mike Tomlin. You know, I've been around Bill Nunn, Hall of Famer Bill Nunn, you know, and count for other Hall of Famers, Dick LeBeau, Russ Graham.

And even when I was in New Orleans, just, you know, I was around Mike Ditka. You know, we didn't have a lot of success there, but he was an amazing person to be around. Jeez. We had, what, Kaboli on here last week. Thank you guys for giving him a ride on the golf cart, actually, by the way. He had to go do a sit-down. You guys gave him a great picture.

Stop giving him the fucking run around. He's like in a boot or something. I don't know what he did. He's like in a boot. Both Achilles. Both Achilles. Two boots. Two boots.

Sorry. Yeah, two boots. He thanks you for that golf cart ride that he almost fell off whoever he was going to interview. But I asked him about Big Ben. It's the first time in a long time where Big Ben's not out there on the field. Does it feel any different to you, or does it feel like there's any different kind of energy?

It seems like the young guys obviously are stepping up and playing well. Ben was a great player for us 18 years, loved having him around. We had a lot of success with him. And, you know, you get spoiled when you have a guy like Ben's ability for so long. But I can tell you that this camp, it's been a lot of fun watching these guys compete. You know, Mitch and Kenny and Mason and even Chris. It's just been a lot of fun, and it's exciting. And, you know, I'm excited about what's to come.

I'm excited to see what's going to happen next couple preseason games hey when you sign mitchell trubisky to a deal do you guys know you're having uh you're going to get a quarterback then or kenny pickett following the 20 just like we have to was there any you don't have oh no no i mean we we we um you know when we signed mitch we thought very highly of mitch and you know you see how the deal is structured you know and um you know we brought him in to compete and we were we were sitting there on draft day and Kenny was available we thought very highly of Kenny obviously and you know you just you know couldn't pass on him how about that place was still packed fourth quarter all the University of Pittsburgh football teams there Narduzzi's on the side uh Kenny Chan is starting that has to feel good as the person

that's kind of putting the team together. It feels like the city is rallying around this. Not that Mitchell Trubisky wasn't getting love. I think he was getting love. But it feels like it's working perfectly almost. Am I getting an accurate read from the outside in on how this could go with the egos and city and support and torn lock? It feels like this is all going pretty perfectly,

which I guess we should have expected from the Steelers. But this is the first time in a long time something like this has been going on. Yeah, I mean, time will tell. I will say all these guys are handling it right. They're very professional in a way. But time will tell. But I think the future is bright. We're excited.

You look around the AFC North, a lot of money going to quarterbacks. You know what I mean? And that just means you're going to have to pay Kenny Pickett in a few years. You think about that? I don't know. You hope, right mean? And that just means you're going to have to pay Kenny Pickett in a few years. You think about that? You hope, right? You hope you get to a point. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you make it back to Pittsburgh much? Well, I try my best. A couple

golf outings and things like that, but if I get back, I get too fat, too drunk. You know what I mean? It's the same trip every time I go to Pittsburgh. I eat all the food that I miss, and then I drink all the booze that I've missed out on. Then I come back to Indy hungover for like two weeks. What are your spots down here? What do you come eat when you come out here?

Okay, so Rudy's, obviously. Rudy's Subs is the first go-to. I will eat the hell out of Rudy's Subs. Used to stop by Drone Best's Bar and Grill. That's been shut down. I heard you guys big conglomerate shut that down there Go to the casino every time Tip the casino

I give them a few hundred bucks So I don't get jumped on the south side And then I go to the south side normally And then I just shut it down no more You know what I mean? Alright, got it, got it Rudy's, I'm going to have to write that down I'm going to have to go check it out

What do you mean? I'm going to tell you something Listen, pizza This is the greatest town for pizza. There's pizza on every corner. I love the pizza out here. I got my spots here in Latrobe. You know, I'm in my dorm room here still at St. Vincent,

but I got my pizza spots here. I go back to town. I live in the South Hills of Pittsburgh. I got my spots out there, but I love pizza. If I want an Italian hoagie, there's this place in Bridgeville called Serafina's. Love it. Serafina's!

How many Italians are in Pittsburgh, Omar? Was that alarming to you when you moved to Pittsburgh? You're like, God damn. I'm married an Italian from the Mon Valley. Of course! That's why pizza's everywhere. I grew up dialing salad pizza.

Unbelievable. Obviously, in the east hills of town. You got down to, what are the south hills joints that you stopped by? Fiore. For pizza, you said? Yeah, Fiore's. It's the only one. Fiore's.

I love Fiore's. It's a home run every time. Whether it's early or late at night, it's awesome. It's awesome. So many Italians, dude. Delicious. Connor, you don or late at night, it's awesome. It's awesome. So many Italians, dude. Connor, you don't know shit. I've been to Peoria's thousands of times. These guys are from Boston, Omar.

Don't let him fool you. He's trying his best, you know what I mean? This guy trying to get in there. Behind the glass, Paisano from Pittsburgh. Obviously, Nick has a question for you. Omar, right now you're currently carrying three quarterbacks on the roster. Do you plan to do so during the season season or is there a possibility if someone were to come calling and that phone were to ring,

you'd listen for some offers for maybe one of those three. What's his name, Nick? What's his deal? We don't need a name. It's just a hypothetical question. If someone called and needed a quarterback, would Omar be listening? Are you always wheeling and dealing, too? Follow up. I mean, you take all of it.

I'll be honest with you. We don't have any intention of trading any of those guys. We really like them. And there's some decisions to be made. But I'd be surprised if anything happens down that path. How many people call you on a daily basis about players? Because I know 4 p.m. today, right? Cuts are happening.

So there will be a lot of movement or no for you today? We have to make some cuts and put a couple guys on IR. But, yeah, we just talk. I was talking to probably five or six of my counterparts around the league. Everybody's calling, trying to figure out if anybody's ready to swap out, things like that. It's just a natural process. But the phone's ringing a lot this time of year.

Group text or is it text or phone call FaceTime? What is it? No, just no no group stuff. Just one-on-one calls. That's it text calls FaceTime Calls I think you should do FaceTime see if Are people paranoid about putting text or sending text is from GM to GM like hey, we don't want this to pop up sometime It happens. We usually you know, you you know i know we all know each other so it's it's easy to just hop on a call and just small talk a little bit and just get right to the point anybody trying to take advantage of you because you're first year gm you feel like you're getting some bad deals being offered to you so you gotta like kind of you know say hey listen i ain't is there any of that going on or is it pretty respectful?

Absolutely. People are testing. There is no doubt about it. Without getting into names or specifics, 100% that's happening. Hey, we're wondering if we could get a good deal for you. You haven't been around. I'm a Montecobre soldier. This is a great deal. This ain't going to come again.

That type of stuff is happening? Well, I do get the, hey, I was thinking and looking at your roster, and I think this would be a good deal for you, and dot, dot, dot. Probably Ballard. It's probably fucking Ballard. I absolutely love that Chris Ballard and all the boys are trying to test you. Ballard's awesome. It wasn't Chris, but he's awesome.

All right. So are you. You're awesome, too. Good luck with everything. Obviously, there's only 32 of you doing the job that you do. It's a prestigious position, let alone for the Pittsburgh Steelers. You're obviously doing a great job. Good luck with everything.

Can't wait to chat with you 10 years from now or five years from now when you've got to pay Kenny Pickett $350 million guaranteed. I appreciate you guys having me on. Let me know when you're in Pittsburgh next time. We'll grab Mike T and go to Rudy's. Okay, we'll go to Rudy's. Stay away from the booze, though. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Omar Cohen.

Thank you. And congrats to this man that's joining us right now. Because for another year, this makes the 10th straight year? 12th, actually. 12th straight year that the 3rd & Goal Foundation has put together a golf outing that has been a

smashing success and raised a lot of money for the military and troops, I believe with homes and making things more accessible. He's not only a star quarterback formerly of Notre Dame and in the NFL, you can see him on Big Nane Kickoff Show. Oh, nice. And you can also see him in the family reunion for

A.J. Hawk. You can see his big handsome face on radio, I believe, every day. And can also see him in the family reunion for AJ Hawk. You can see his big, handsome face on radio, I believe, every day. And you can hear him burying the Jets on a daily basis. Ladies and gentlemen, Brady Quay. What's up, dude? Thanks for having me, guys. Can I chime in on this whole punting conversation? Is a gut the only thing that can get in the way as your leg swings up? Can I just throw that out there?

I'm curious to see what AJ is going to do with that. Yeah, you're talking about a hammer, obviously, and you lose the ball every once in a while. You know, I've had a couple of these situations after a punt. You know, you've got to do like the – oh, the thighs. You know what I mean, the thighs. But the gut gets in the way, Brady. That is something you've never known.

You've had a 10-pack your whole life, you handsome. You would never understand, Brady. There's zero truth to that. Zero truth to that. I think they let me punt. They do the quick kick, which I never really understood, but I think Charlie Weiss let me do it a couple times in college, and both were pretty awful.

So my punting days were over pretty quick. Well, at least you gave it a go. You know who punts better than you if I had to guess? Who's that? Zach Wilson. Well, at least you gave it a go. You know who punts better than you if I had to guess? Who's that? Zach Wilson. Yeah, definitely. Wow. What's your deal with Zach Wilson?

Hey, I'm going to put this quote back up to you. So was this this morning you said this or last night? It would have been neither. Let's see. Oh, okay. This is a couple days ago. Oh, yeah, a couple days ago. Despite the injury, Zach Wilson looked awful

in that preseason game. Can we just acknowledge the media continually try to make Zach Wilson something? The media wants this to work out so badly, and it's kind of tough to listen to, quite honestly.

I've never seen a QB get so much love from the media for doing less than Wilson in a long time. Once he got selected in the draft, I had my concerns. He's smaller, so he's subject to injury. He didn't play against elite schools in college, and he's staring down targets. All of these things have played out.

I hope he recovers from this, but I don't get the media love. They'd be good with Jimmy Garoppolo at quarterback, but they won't make that move because they've invested so much in Zach Wilson so your problem isn't with Zach Wilson per se it's just with the media love of this guy and do you feel this because of you know if any other quarterback played the way he played they'd be getting murdered do you feel like you're doing a service for every other quarterback that has maybe gotten murdered and that's why you have such a a feeling towards this because you sound like a hater Brady you sound You sound like a hater.

Yeah, and then maybe that does come off that way. I think nowadays, you know, unfortunately in the media, it's hard to, like, not if you're ever critical. And I think I'm more just kind of critical of, like, the coverage of it only because, like, Sam Darnold, who's a young man who I got to see coming out from USC. And I thought from, like, calling his games, from watching his tape, bigger kid, just as athletic, if not more athletic,

probably had just as much arm talent, probably upside. But he got thrown into a bad situation with the New York Jets, you know? And I think you saw how that obviously worked out in his career. And, you know, now he's in Carolina trying to fight just to stay alive for something. With Zach Wilson, it was like, there was all this hype about it. And you kind of saw his rookie season. And meanwhile, like we've seen other rookies go out there that have been thrusted into it. like there was all this hype about it, and you kind of saw his rookie season. And meanwhile, we've seen

other rookies go out there that have been thrusted into it, like a Joe Burrow, for example. Early on, didn't play much, but still looked the part. Justin Herbert, I mean, Terod Taylor got stabbed before a game in the lung and punctured a lung. Justin Herbert's like, alright, my time to go in. He's balled out ever since.

It's just odd. I don't hear the media clamoring over Justin Herbert. I mean, everyone likes him. I think they acknowledge what he's done. But he doesn't get the same type of acknowledgement as it feels like maybe some of the other top guys should. So it's more of just looking at, I think it was really the New York media market specifically,

that I just think they're dying for a team to have success. They're dying for a guy to work out and be the guy. And I don't think it's been warranted yet. That's all I've kind of pointed out. But I think even all the stuff about the MILF coverage and all that, it's like, all right, that's fun, right? Like everyone's saying he's into Cougars or older women. All right, that's his own prerogative.

But who cares? That doesn't have anything to do with football. He's a dog. We didn't think he was't have anything to do with football. He's a dog. We didn't think he was a dog. We saw draft night. He had no idea. And then we hear this story about him just going to his mom's little friends gathering and being like, you tonight, then you tomorrow.

We learned a lot about this Zach Morman. Sorry. No offense to all Mormans. But a Mormon Zach Wilson guy that made us think, oh, this dude is a dog, potentially. You put that in with a no-look sidearm dart in training camp, you piece those two things together, you're going to get a lot of us going, this guy. This guy's a guy.

But you're saying on the field, it just hasn't been a warranted conversation yet, and you're not ready to kind of hand over the crown yet to Zach Wilson. No, that's all. I mean, I just don't think it's warranted the discussion of like, okay, he's the future there yet. And I think they've got a long ways ahead. You know, this is a team that's a young team.

They've got more talent over the offseason, but I'm not ready to buy in on that yet. It's kind of similar to like Trey Lance. Like everyone's raving about his preseason debut. That's great. But can we like pump the brakes? I mean, can we wait and see what happens once we get to actual regular season games?

That's what the actual games are played. You want everybody to stink, Brady? What's your deal? No, it doesn't have anything to do with that. AJ, your question. I mean, it's a hater in the family. Jeez Louise. We tend to overreact about a lot of things,

and then the problem is we build people up only to literally sweep their legs, man. And that's the only thing. Can we just be patient with the whole process of all this because the hardest thing is some of these guys they get built up so much that when they fail they don't give it any time to grow people are like okay let's move on the next guy it's like well that's not how it works like sometimes it takes you a few years to find your way you know Joe Burrow had to go to LSU to eventually have the greatest season we ever saw in college football. He got drafted at 24.

It took him some more time before he'd get on the field and showcase what he was capable of. Now we look at him as a guy who's going to compete for a Super Bowl. That's all I'm saying. I think we're just so quickly to anoint guys and then we're quickly to tear them down. I remember Carson Wentz after the first three weeks his rookie year.

They were named at Wentzelvania. We were condemned to Wentz-ylvania. And we were like, hold on a second, man. Can we wait and see what happens here? Can we wait and see how this whole thing plays out? So that's all it is. It's just more like patience with the way we go about it. It's like the Instagram world. Like we see these highlights on Instagram.

We're like, well, that's what it is. That's what they are. Everyone's life's like that. Every play, every throw is going to be like that. Yeah. That's what we ventured into. Yeah. Social media is real.

Can I have AJ, please? Brady, you mentioned Carson Wentz. I want to pivot quick from Zach Wilson. How do you think Carson, how do you think it plays out there in Washington? We know there's been different reports from camp. There was a testy interview that he had that the president stood up for him. How do you think their season goes, and how does Carson Wentz do? Trey Wingo is not happy. not happy yeah well is he ever happy um well i don't know is that a thing

is that a thing i don't know i don't know what's brady's deal hey brady you just saw right in the thunderdome huh you just say hey where's thunder let me dive right into it who wants it is trey wingoingo ever fucking happy? Is he a trend officer? You tell me. I'm just saying. Why can't I pose the question? That's a great question. I think they're a sleeper for the NFC East. I think he's going to have a great year.

I think, you know, I'm not sure what happened in India. I mean, statistically, it wasn't the worst play in the world last year. You go back, watch some of it, and you're going, hey, there's a guy who's on a new team, new system. He's learning some of the ropes there with some of the players he's throwing to. Like, yeah, you have familiarity with Frank Reich, but the reality is, you know,

some things have probably changed since they had last worked together. So you're working through some of that. You're working with guys you hadn't had a chance to play with before. All those things kind of play into it. And really, when you go back and watch it, yeah, there were some really bad plays,

like the left-handed interception when he was backed up against his own goal line. They ended up going for a pick six. That was obviously one of them. And he didn't finish great down the stretch, but they didn't finish great as a team either. Whoa! What? I'm just saying.

I think they were a talented team that could have finished a little higher, but if you would have given them second year, I think you would have been better there. You actually said you just did like higher but if you would have given him second year i think you would have been better there do you watch you actually said you watched you just did like the if you watch it you didn't though you just watched a couple of the games uh i try to watch as much as i can so it's hard to kind of find a fine balance between college nfl and watching all of it you're consuming obviously a lot of games but he threw seven picks in one half that got dropped seven i think in one half i literally i think Seven, I think, in one half. Literally, I think I saw him throw

seven. San Francisco, rainy day. The team is on defense for, the player's on defense for a reason, normally can't catch. He was hitting guys right in the chest for the Niners. Six, seven different times, one half, they dropped them all. So, you know, like the whole, watching him

play was a problem. First year in the system. I think that's going to be the case for a lot of guys who transfer to a new system. But, again, I don't think it's quite as bad as we're making out. It was bad. He was the worst quarterback in the league last year. Can we acknowledge that? He was not the worst quarterback in the league. Zach Wilson.

Bro. I didn't say that. I don't know who said that. Yeah, but he sounds like you're co-signing it all of a sudden. He was a cardiac arrest to watch, though. That is the last thing you want in quarterback, isn't it? Don't you think that's the last thing you want at quarterback? Don't you think quarterback's supposed to be like the model of consistency,

like care about the ball, care about the program? You know, if you have an MVP playing running back, not check out of runs so that you can build your stats up a little bit when you got Jonathan Taylor in the back. That was potentially happening, allegedly happening. I think the good plays from Carson's real, but at this stage of the game, don't you think like the bonehead decisions

that he was making on a regular basis is not like a $30 million quarterback, a veteran quarterback? If it's a first year, second year, third year even maybe, you like kind of let that stuff happen. But now an established paid quarterback. At what point do you go like, hey, this guy's never going to be able to be an NFL quarterback because he's great high school quarterback, great college quarterback, backyard football.

I want Carson Wentz on my team every single game that I'm playing in. But in the NFL, like the quarterback is beholden to the game, I think. And, like, he just doesn't have that. Do you think he can learn that? Is that something? Yeah. Look, I think all guys can do a better job of taking care of the football, but there's a fine line, too.

All guys. Aaron has, like, the top seven fucking touchdowns, interceptions ratio. I don't know if he can get better, Bray. Well, he's talentedly, ridiculously talented, too, as far as his accuracy and all that. Not everyone has his talent or accuracy. But you also can't ask someone to change some of what they do when they make some of those plays.

Like, I don't know how much you watched Philly early on when Carson was there. It was a more talented team around him when they won the Super Bowl. Granted, he wasn't part of that. It was Foles. But still, when you go back and watch some of that tape, he was making some of those plays. Before he got injured, he was scrambling around, shrugging guys off. He looked like a young Ben Roethlisberger.

And I don't remember people talking about some of the boneheaded plays then. It was like we were almost saying, well, hey, that's part of his game. That's what he is, man. He's going to extend the play and make a play downfield. And so that's the hard thing is like, how do you, when you go back and watch some of the throws that Patrick Mahomes makes, you know, that's not like what you're teaching your kids. Like I just was with AJ back in Ohio, we were talking to Hendricks. Like I would never teach him to throw back across his body, but Patrick Mahomes has the ability to do that. And then there might be come a time and place where he has to do that. So how do you weigh that fine line?

So look, honestly, like when I saw some of the bad throws or him, it felt like he was pressing. It felt like he was a guy that knew that he was on a second chance with a team that had head coaches familiar with them. And that was the opportunity he was going to get. And he had to make something out of it. And that's a tough spot to be in in the NFL where like, this is your dream, man.

And if it doesn't work out, that's probably it. And now you're relegated to being a backup if you've been in the league. And that's an entirely different experience when you're just sitting there holding a clipboard, when you're actually out there and you are the guy. So back to the original question. I am high on the Washington Commanders. I think he's going to have a good season. I think it's a talented roster. And I think people are going to be a little bit maybe surprised.

I know they've talked about inaccuracy or whatever else people have said. He'll be fine once the games start coming around. Never about inaccuracy. Always just about his decision-making. And I didn't know you think that he'll be able to change that. I'm excited for it. Also, interesting take by you, kind of like going for a fake punt or going for it on fourth.

If those plays are going your way, you're a hero. If they're going against you, you're an idiot. That's just how football is, I guess, which kind of pivots me to this question. I'm excited to watch Carson Wentz play well. And I will say, Colts fans, I don't think anybody wishes Carson ill. We hope Carson does well, but we're very excited not to have to deal with him, I think. Not have to deal with the watching of it.

I think it's difficult. Now, let's pivot away from that. Let's go to Brandon Staley talking about the process in which he decides to go for it on fourth down. He's a big yes and less guy as opposed to a no unless guy. So basically they know going into every single drive that they're going to go for it on fourth and four or less

or they're not going to go for it. But normally it's a yes, we're going to go for it unless Brandon Staley says no. What are your thoughts on a much more aggressive tactics that the Chargers have shown, the Colts have shown, many other teams have shown over the past? Do you think it's going to continue to grow or do you think inevitably people will get gun-shy on this if the biggest moments continue to go the wrong way for the teams that are being the most aggressive like we kind of saw last year in the NFC games? I think it's going to continue

to grow, one, with some of the younger coaches who tend to be more aggressive and maybe more reading into some of the analytics. That's part of it. I think the other issue is, is like when you're going for it, you're basically saying two things. I believe in my quarterback. Like you love the guy you've got enough to go for it. And you believe that he's going to get it more often than not, you know, more than 50, 50% of the time. Right. And then you believe in your defense. Like you're really saying both things because if you don't get it, you're like, Hey, I know my defense will be able to take care of this of this so i love the approach he was actually who i was going to say in regards to when you're talking about like you know he'll he'll he'll probably win a super bowl at some point in his career and if he's a part of some of the decision making process and fourth downs all that we're

going to look back we're going to say exactly what you said it's because of his aggressiveness but then there's also those moments in the super bowl history where you see like hey they should have handed off to marshawn instead of trying to throw a pass on the goal line. And maybe we'd look at the Seattle Seahawks and Pete Carroll and that whole dynasty different, right? So like those decisions largely come down to like a make or break how we view you. But I think it's going to work out in the long run for them. I'm so fascinated by it. I led off the show talking about it that I hate the all analytics people and all data people and all book people because it kind of pawns accountability off. You know, like if somebody says, well, the book told me that 65 percent of the time I'm going to go.

It's like I would like somebody to sit in there and be like, yeah, here's the information. Here's my feel. We're going for it. And then all, you know, fingers kind of go to somebody as opposed to well this is it and this is it you know what i mean brady he's just well the guy who wrote the books when he was on the chopping block right there's someone behind the data and analytics right that's the guy because it's a group study normally right it's like a group but you're firing all of them and you find more people more nerds to come back with the data analytics

and you fire all them next next time, because obviously those data analytics weren't the right ones. That's what you do. You fire the entire room. What's that all about, Brady? He doesn't like you? I don't know. Did he just log off? He just hung up. He's probably got a contractor there right now. Hey, they're building that house

up, huh? Your sister just redesigns houses every week right that's her thing there's a lot there's a lot going on they uh she does a great job though uh if you haven't checked out her instagram account i don't even know the name of it but check that out good brother aj can throw that out but uh no they're literally we were talking about this yesterday he was like yeah there's pretty much a guy with a jackhammer outside the studio uh every other day that i at some point have to tell to like to be

quiet or pat's like hey what's that in the background it's like i'll take out the jackhammer they're just they're jackhammering stuff all the time over there well they're always making things better you know that's the hawk way yeah oh that's the geez i just go hitting a dong by the guitar there joining us again from ohio aj hawk uh welcome back aj great you, pal. Brady, how'd the golf outing go yesterday? We raised a bunch of money. Did A.J. put on a show? Did he crash any golf carts? I don't think he sunk or submerged or crashed any golf carts.

I will say this, though. His brother, Ryan Hawk, a week after having an appendectomy, showed up to support the cause and golfed in it, which I was like, all right, balls in your court, Joe Burrow. Took you two weeks to come back to practice. Ryan Hawk's out here competing in a very physical golf outing. All Ohio guys, man. I mean, look at Ryan Hawk.

Ryan Hawk. Ryan Hawk. Ryan Hawk. He'd be the Penn State's fastest anybody out there swinging a stick. I watched him beat the shit out of Lake Tahoe at like 4 a.m. a couple days. It was – he's a specimen, that guy. Your whole family's ridiculous. Was Jack Johnson there, AJ?

Jack was not able to play. He had a kid, his son's birthday that we stopped by before, but he had to stick at that. Oh, I thought now he's still a league cup champion. There's more of a back story to that. The event happened to fall on Ty, his son's birthday, but he's also gotten pretty hammered the past few years there. My sister, my little sister, tends to get pretty irate.

So it probably was more of one of those, like she scheduled the birthday party on this specific date for that reason. So you're telling me that your little sister says, I know what Brady and Chopper got bots around. I need to keep Jack Johnson and Stanley Cup winning

drunk ass away from that. Let's make something that's more important for this day. But my older brother won't be able to come to his nephew's birthday. Ah, fuck it. Granddad won't be able to.

Ah, fuck it. Keep Jack away from Chopper and Brady. Is that what happened? Pretty much. I mean, I think you summed it up better than AJ or I could. Your family is the best. Do you guys ever think about that?

Do you ever think about how ridiculous your family is? We should get a reality show on this thing, don't you think? I've tried to talk to AJ about it. He's declined every time. What's that all about, Brady? You think it's because AJ's just a toxic piece of shit? Is that what you're saying? Not at all.

Jesus. That sure sounded like it. AJ, I didn't like the way he said that, AJ. I did not like the way he said that at all. You know what I mean? The funniest thing is one of the best characters, and AJ can speak to this, probably would be Oz,

who was there for the first Blue Jacket Golf outing. He's kind of the guy that no one knows in that picture that we had spread around last time. He's a glue guy. Yeah. Is he a member of the family or is he just like kind of somebody showing up like Greg? No, he's a member of the family. We consider him

that. I mean, he's not actual family, but he's a member of the family. So he's like the pizza guy in the Kardashians who eats food. Yeah, but what's his name? Greg. Yeah, Cousin Greg. Cousin Greg. But he is technically part of the family. Yeah, he's in the family. He is part of the bloodline. Cousin Greg. So it's just some doofus that's part of the family you guys the family. He is part of the bloodline, I guess. I'll talk about your cousin Greg.

So it's just some doofus that's part of the family you guys all love? He's part of the family now? I wouldn't describe him as a doofus. He's the man. That's a little rude of me. I didn't mean that. You don't say he's entertaining to the family? The family loves this guy.

Oh, yeah. I would say AJ, top four characters, number one would be Chopper. Number two would be Grandma Peg. She's fantastic. Number two would be Grandma Peg. She's fantastic. Number three would be AJ. And then I'd put Ozzy right up there too. That'd be the top four. Pistol.

Yeah. How about your little sister scheduling a birthday party on the same day as your family's biggest golf out? I mean, your little sister seems to be quite a savage as well. She is. She'd be right there with Laura though. Like those two would be neck and neck. It'd be tough to pick between those two.

So they'd be trying to duke it out for somewhere in that 5-6 spot. Is General Bob also a member of the family like Oz? Who are we referring to? Oh! General Bob. Oh, my. What's that all about a short, pal. Oh, my. What's that all about, AJ? What?

What just happened here? What, he didn't know you? Oh, General Bob. General Bobby Carpenter, he's saying. Oh, Bobby? Yeah. Guy hates the troops. I gotta be honest with you.

I did not know we called Bobby Carpenter General Bob. I've never heard that before. He saved football, dude. He rallied the troops. He's a goddamn general. Hey! Was that when he was protesting shirtless with the rest of the Ohio State players

to bring football back? Yes. Yes. So you do know. I never understood why he was shirtless, but I understood the protest. Right, organized. Well, he wasn't just shirtless.

He also sent out some tweets with some addresses for people to go picket outside of in the middle of a pandemic. Yeah, he rallied the troops. He big ten football back he did now there was some presidential candidates that said i say football and we immediately had to go whoa whoa whoa whoa general bob carpenter was the man on the front lines over here in big ten shirtless yeah he was journalist how do you feel about notre dame right now you know how do you feel about it i feel good i feel like we got a pretty tough challenge week one i mean michigan i don't what's that it's at michigan right no out of

state i thought it was michigan i thought you said quarterback good day to quarterback competition right yeah tyler buckner has been announced to start yeah he's good you know four-star recruit out of san diego athletic kind of adds that different element to it better than uh but dude i mean aj you play there it's a night game with 100,000 people who would be boozing the entire time. Bob. Going up against a team that I feel like has the red ass for, like, what happened last year. So it's just – you know, it's funny.

I think Paul Feinbaum came out and kind of saw Notre Dame's rated too high or whatever else because they're going to get beat week one. I'm like, everyone who plays Ohio State this year is probably going to lose. Like, they're next to Alabama. They're the best team in the country right now. That's how I'd rank those two teams. Do you think they put Notre Dame top five at five just strictly because if they win that game, noted, but if they don't, also independent TV contracts,

we have to have them be worth something. Did you feel that when you were at Notre Dame? Like, hey, we're going to get ranked high regardless. No, trust me, when I was first there, we were ranked very often the first couple of years. It kind of took us to build into it. So I never felt like we got any favor from the media. We almost had to earn back some respect just to get ranked at that point because of how the first couple of years went. But no, I think if you really look at college football and outside of Alabama and Ohio State

and I think people are going to be upset that I don't mention Georgia, but you lost a lot on defense in Georgia. Those are the best two teams. I think you could honestly at 3-10, you could rank those teams a bunch of different ways. You really could at this point. Because who the hell knows? We don't see preseason. We haven't seen

how these kids are going to react in the lights against a good football team. Also, a bunch of millionaires now too. We don't know how these young guys haven't seen how these kids are going to react in the lights against a good football team. Also, a bunch of millionaires now, too. We don't know how these young guys are going to react as millionaires going into college football. I mean, it's a whole new world. Could you imagine if your handsome ass could have got NIL deals at Notre Dame? Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Dakotas? I just saw Dakotas with an air conditioning. That was sweet. That was sweet. It was sweet. Dakotas Crawford, I think, is his name? Yeah, he's going to be a guy at Lincoln, Nebraska.

I had no idea they weren't allowed to say the school's name. I thought this guy got an NIL deal for the University of Lincoln. That's what I thought because they just kept saying Lincoln, Lincoln, Lincoln. So the players can't say the school's name, right? I think they have to have the permission, right? You've got to have some sort of trademark. You have to have permission from the school, I assume, to use their

logo and name all that good stuff. Well, the air conditioning company said, we ain't going to school. We need to go to the coldest guy. We don't need the goddamn whole entire school. So at the University of Lincoln, the coldest, this was the air conditioning commercial that hit the internet yesterday that everybody on earth said, what a brilliant marketing strategy for said company that

we do not know the name of. Go ahead and run this thing. I'm so glad we called SOS. Our AC is the coldest. I'm always the coldest. SOS. This is Dakota Scroffer, a rod receiver from Louisiana, now playing at Lincoln. When your AC isn't the coldest, you call SOS heating and cooling.

Lincoln. When your AC isn't the coldest, you call SOS heating and cooling. Their takes don't make commissions, so they give you an honest opinion, fair pricing, and longer warranties than a competition guarantee. How about that? Take it from the coldest. Hell yeah, SOS. Great song. Is that not perfect? I'm going to SOS if I need any heating or air. You know, General Bob's got one too, but he could have hired theColtis. He chose not to, so I got to do what I got to do there. How do you feel about the NIL deals? Did you think about that at all? Because you were, what? You were propped up in the national media

every single week of the back half of your career, I guess, in Notre Dame. Notre Dame, a lot of money, a lot of partners. Oh, Brady, you could have been. Are they competing, though? Brady, can Notre Dame compete in the NIL world? Are they paying people like everybody else? That's an interesting question to ask.

Look, I think they can. I think they're going to do things the right way. They'll probably be a little slower of how they want to go about doing it, but it's a national sport. What's the right way, though? There's no rules. What's the right way? There are rules.

I mean, look, here's the thing is you can't be paying these kids who are psa's prospective student athletes whether they're in high school or whether they're in the transfer portal you can't be offering them deals and that's the problem is a lot of these collectives are and it's technically illegal there's just no one enforcing that so that's the right and wrong way now there are certain states though where you are able to make money in high school like california for example they're one of the first to implement the ability to earn on your NIL in high school. The hard thing is, it gives USC, you'd think, a huge advantage over everyone else. And especially because their state laws in the state of California allow the university to help facilitate these deals, which that's different, for example, for the state of

Indiana. It doesn't have a state income tax, well that's that's gonna be an issue for him sure but hopefully all the kids have an attorney and paying taxes and that's the biggest thing but that's that's honestly what i worry about the most is like the lack of financial literacy um with some of these kids and just like when i think about it you know i'm a dad now i'm like all right i gotta think more responsibly. Yeah, it would have been awesome to be able to throw huge keggers and parties or whatever else with my own money. But you look at it now and you go, these kids are going to have to learn how to pay taxes. They're going to have to learn how to understand like how that works. And you hope that this doesn't put some of them in trouble.

I think the other thing you hope is that, you know, I think some of these kids have people who obviously are good advisors helping them along. There are others who are like, hey, I just met my uncle six months ago. All of a sudden, he really wants to be involved in my life. And you're going, where'd this guy come from? I think those people are coming out of the woodwork now. And that's one of those things where you hope there's a measure, there's some sort of protection. It sounds terrible to say this, but to protect the young people from some of the adults in the room. No, 1,000%.

I said this a couple days ago. Everybody just always buries any athlete that the mom comes out and says something against or anybody. Like the mom is no longer talking to the thing. Everybody's like, oh, why would you ever do it to your mom? Not all moms are storybook moms. Not all dads are movie dads. Not all uncles care about their nephews like there is plenty of situation in the world if you you know remove yourself from the very nice situation that

you potentially had and potentially go into a very real situation that a lot of guys have to experience while they're going through this entire process like there's some and those families can grandstand you know in those situations be like oh i, I'll take care of. And then I've seen some families really fuck their kids over. Like I've watched it happen. And it's like, damn, you don't really expect that to ever take place. But then you see how the narrative gets built. That's the player's fault because didn't take care of the mom the way or dad take care of dad the way it's like, I don't know if this is how this is actually going down, but you could see how people can kind of prey on that almost. You know what I mean, Brady? A hundred percent. And I think you got to think about too, you know, even if the kid doesn't play very long in the NFL, there'll be ramifications for the play,

the physicality of football, that play a part in their life later on. And so you hope they have the right people that help them save some of it. I mean, you know, God forbid, you know, this is the most amount of money they'll ever make in their life, right? Like that's a scary thought to think. And the other thing is just, and it kind of plays into the whole NIL, is like the transfer portal.

I mean, there's literally thousands of kids now in the transfer portal going school to school to school, and I'm all for them having their shot and their opportunity, but like if you keep having to move school to school, maybe, maybe that's kind of telling you something. Whoa. Well, I'm just saying like, maybe it's just going to work out the way you think it's going to.

And at some point you better get your degree and figure out like what plan B is in life. You know, that's, that's what I worry about for all the kids who are transferring, transferring, transferring. Then they're like, all right, I'm draft eligible. I'm trying to get drafted. They don't get drafted. Then they're looking around going, man, I don't have a network. I don't have alumni base to go back to. I don't have a degree.

What do I do now? And that's what I worry about with where college football is at is the concern for does a degree matter anymore, not only to the kid but to the parents. And then with some of these NIL deals, yeah, it's good money. It's helping to take care of some of the stuff that I think, when I was in college, I worried about just having enough gas money to get back to Columbus, Ohio, or put food on the table and all that. Because you didn't have enough. And now they have unlimited meals. They've taken care of kids

better. But that's the kind of stuff that I think a lot of this money is going towards, is taking care of that. But you wonder for those big deals, do they have the right people taking care of these kids and making sure they're saving it? I don't like your self-awareness speech. You hear me, Brady? I don't like it. Not one bit. Very real. But I don't like that you had to give it.

AJ and I talked about the human experiment, too, that we're going to find out five, ten years from now. Could you have, and maybe you could because you're Brady Quinn and you know, you're Brady Quinn and you're AJ. So like you guys are, I feel like robots. Could you imagine some of those college workouts as an 18 year old with $2 million in your bank account? I'll tell you what, I know what I would have said. And I'm a piece of shit. So like Mike Barwiss, our strength coach is is trying to make me do four-fifths around, like 21-10s and all these 40s and stuff like that, and I got a million dollars in my bank account already. I'm going to be tough to handle. And also, I think my hamstring hurts.

Like, you know, like it is – I'll be excited to see – because you've got to be super mentally tough to be waking up and sat in sheets in college, driving a G-Wagon, and still put in all the work that is a necessity, basically, to make it to the NFL for most guys. I think that's another aspect that we kind of talked about that won't be headlines, but five, ten years from now, I think we'll wonder, like, what if this guy woke up every day

motivated, like, I need to still go. I need to still go. And that's something that also gets kind of lost in the cracks of all this, I think, Brady. It's a great question, great perspective. I mean, people talk about it all the time in the NFL, like guys make it and then they feel like they're satisfied either because they signed that big deal or just because they got drafted into it.

That's usually not really what plays a role. Maybe it is in some ways. But it's a good thought. I think the one safeguard you probably have against that is, depending on when that kid is receiving this deal or how that's working out, look, if they're in the doghouse with a coach, with a strength coach,

you know how important Mike Barwiss was. Yes. Still has a huge impact. That's who Jack Johnson trains with down here in the offseason. He still trains with Mike Barwiss. Jack just won a Stanley Cup. I assume he's not going back to Barwiss. You know what I mean?

He was just down there last week. He just came down to train with him last week. I he's not going back to Barwiss. You know what I mean? Like, maybe. He was just down there last week. Oh, jeez. He was down at the play with him last week. I promise you. I talk to Barwiss. I talk to Barwiss on text every once in a while. Because, like, when I need, like, a little juice, I'll text Barwiss. I'm like, hey, I need a little something.

And he's like, he'll send me a reminder of who I am. You know? And I fucking need that from him. But then I think about some of the workouts we did. And I'm like, never in a fucking million years could I get through that workout. You know what, though? I'm a little off. Maybe AJ can attest to this because he can tell a story about my trainer when I was young was Mike Durant.

And Mike's like the most positive, amazing dude ever. But we had some of the most ridiculous workouts. Just like when I'm in junior high, high school. And I was thinking to myself, how the hell and why the hell did I do any of that? But it was awesome. I mean, it was like. Yes, needed it. Needed it.

Needed it. Needed it. And so back to the initial point. Like, I do think that there's a certain element of, even though the kid's going to have that in his bank account, you know, if you're in the doghouse of the strength coach, which they have a huge impact on college football programs, what the head coach thinks of these kids, you probably not get on the field as much. If you don't get on the field as much, you're probably not able to earn

some of those NIL deals. But that's more of kind of where I think that path would go if you started missing stuff and not showing up. Because then it becomes a cancer, right? Yes. You've got a guy who's going to make that sort of money and then not show up to workouts and all the rest of the boys and fellows are saying, well, this guy's not going.

Why should I work my butt off then, right? Yes. What's the point of that? So I think you got to be careful of that. I think strength coaches, whether it's Mike Barwiss or, you know, Mickey Marotti when I was there for the first couple of years or whoever else. I mean, I don't know. AJ, who do you guys have at Ohio State?

Al Johnson during my time. And they've had a few since then. But yeah, Eric Lichter came after me. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you're with those guys so many hours every single day of the week for four straight years. Yeah. They mold who you are, I think. Is Barwiss yelling at Jack Johnson still?

Like, is that happening right now? I think Jack wants that. I mean, he tries to get AJ to yell at him sometimes. Hey, Barwiss only goes – I think Barwiss only knows one way. I honestly believe, and it's a fucking – it is a lot of energy. It is very upbeat, and it is going to be – hey, you're going to sign up for something today. Like when you walk in there, I used to walk in there, and borrow to tell this story.

I don't think this is breaking news to anybody. I'd walk in there, obviously, after a couple hours. I had just got done with the night before, just a few hours before then. I'd walk in there smelling terrible. And everybody knew what the deal was. It would get talked about. And I would maybe even puke a little bit. But I'd finish every single one.

And Barwis and his wife would be like, you having a good time, McAvoy? Like, it is. But I needed that. You know, like, I fucking needed that at the time. If I had, I mean, I got $40,000 out in loans and I fucking acted a fool. I couldn't even imagine these guys, these deals, you know. But once again, I am too mentally weak to really be a guy, so we shouldn't assume that that's everybody.

Go ahead, your question for Brady Tone. Brady, can I paint a picture for you here? Say it's September 3rd, it's around 11 a.m. You look to your left on set. Is Urban Meyer there? Well, no one will be there because we're actually not going to be on on September

3rd. Oh! What? What? What? What? What? What? We'll be opening.

I don't know that I should really get into this because I don't think we've talked about our schedule yet, everything else. Oh, break some news. Come on. Break some news. Come back. You're going to get me in trouble if I put that box, man. Okay, so what's going on? You got Urban Meyer back on TV.

Are you guys keeping him in a set and you guys are traveling around so you can just send it back to him so he doesn't have to experience all the signs and crowds and everything like that? Nothing has been announced as far as what's happened with our crew. We are going to be on the road the entire season, though, which is going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be a blast. It is going to be a blast.

Not for everybody. How are you guys traveling? I think that's the question. Can we get you guys to come out and road? You don't want us building signs for that show. You know, you got a lot too much money and access to too many things. We're covering college football this year. Did you hear about that?

I did. That's why I'm excited for you guys, man. Thank you, dude. You probably couldn't stop in those, huh? With us, probably not. I assume that would be a thing. Hey, we'll make something work out. You and AJ got to.

I mean, look at that guy. Look at that guy. Look at the old Hawks. Fox is good. Fox is usually good at letting you bounce around. You work for CBS, too. That's true. I do work on the digital platform.

Yeah. Oh, so CBS got your digital platform rights and Fox has your linear rights? I was going to say, AJ, I need to get you and Pat on the phone. We'll figure out this whole thing as far as who has my rights and all that. Pat, am I going the right route? You've obviously been very successful at building this. So no, no, no. I'm going to need some business advice, buddy. Brady, listen, I feel like you probably handle business a lot differently than me. You know, I, I, and I think you should continue to do as such. It seems to be working out. You do not want my advice it is not great because uh i mean when i look back on some of the decisions that have been made some of the things that i've

said to people i will just like bar was the workout well that was an interesting thing to go through i didn't like the tone of a contract once brady so i uh stop talking to him hold on real quick yeah yeah i don't like your offer Is this like the writing? You looked at the ink and you go, you know what? I don't like their tone on this. They use Times New Roman. I don't like that. I wish it was Ariel or something else. We're not talking about the font. That's a font.

I'm talking about said tone of ownership almost throughout the entire thing. And I'm like, well, that ain't going to happen. And if you're even putting that on paper, I can already tell we're not going to get along. Talk to you next year. Nice knowing you. Like that is real, how I go about doing stuff. So I don't think you need me to get involved, but I want to let you know, having your rights in other places is a good idea, Brady. Hey,

invest in that portfolio, pal. Keep that thing diverse. You got CBS Digital. Everybody knows that. Oh, yeah. Everybody knows that. Fox on on tv big noon kickoff that show's up and coming huh you know the noon time slot is the most watched college time slot of the regular season football no big deal really yeah remember i sent that commercial in the big noon kickoff ad that's right tagline was most watched window in regular season college football everything i'm like all, here we go.

Brady, you do great on that. You do great on everything, actually. You try, man. I appreciate it. I've got a lot of good influences, as you can tell, with AJ and the rest of my fam and all that. So it's always nice. I came back home this past weekend, and you kind of go back to your roots and you go,

this is what made you. These are the reasons why you're able to do certain things or have certain perspectives. So I always appreciate your guys' show because I feel like you guys talk a lot for a lot of people out there. Sometimes they don't get to voice their opinions and stuff, but I feel like you guys do a good job touching on all that. Well, we're lucky to do it, Brady, and we're thankful you stopped over here.

Good luck this season. Can't wait to watch you on those Saturdays and on CBS's digital platforms. Hell yeah. Can't wait to see it. And your show. What's your show you host? Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. It's great I paused there, right? Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Monday through Friday on Fox Sports Radio.

What is that? That's our morning radio show. 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. Eastern Time. I'm on there with Jonas Knox who's our host. We got LeVar Arrington on there as well. Whoa, the mammal! Yeah. 6 a.m. every day, live? Or you pre-record that? I'm up there

early, man, so I'm already up. It works for me. Now, those guys on the West Coast, that's a little difficult schedule for them. Jesus Christ. What time are you up in the morning? I'm usually a 5 a.m. guy. Usually a little bit before to make sure I can get a little something and a little workout before. Okay, so alarm hits 4.45 a.m. guy. Usually a little bit before to make sure I can get a little something and a little workout before. Okay, so alarm hits 4.45 a.m.?

4.45, yeah. Snooze? No, not a snooze guy. Not a snooze guy. Unless, you know, you've got so many extracurricular activities before, you know, you leave the bedroom type thing. Are you boozed up? Are you boozed up?

So... Pat's trying to figure this out. Oh, great question. Diggs just reminded me of something I wanted to ask you about. It's out. 445, are you tired when you get up or no? Honestly, yeah. Probably initially. But like the older I've gotten, the more tired I've gotten.

And you just power through it every morning. And then 6 a.m., you're live. Yeah. Like honestly, like there's this park I run to there and back. It's about a mile. It's a little over a mile. But, like, by the second half of that, I'm like, all right, I'm awake. Let's go.

Let's get this done. I'm ready to go do three hours of hating on people. Now, Brady, I don't want to be a hater here. Sounds like I'm a little bit. You did. Every quote that comes out from that show, two pros and a cup of joe. By the way, no one ever quotes anything where I'm really complimentary. Have you ever noticed that?

We'll start doing that. Have you ever noticed? Like no one ever, like I could have said something complimentary past that, but they only push out the negative because that's the only thing that gets a response.

Negativity hogs publicity. It's a shame. It's the world we're in. That's why we try to do a little bit positive stuff. Now, with that being said, here's a super negative story I need to talk about with you.

Notre Dame is home with one of the greatest catfishes in the history of catfishing. There is now a documentary about it with Manti Teau. Were you there with him at the same time? You came before him? Do you know anything about that? Did the entire Notre Dame alumni and Notre Dame school rally around Manti when that was taking place?

I mean, until they knew what was happening. They had been catfished. I think a lot of people were buying into the story. But no, I'm fascinated to watch that, by the way. Like, I don't know. I thought the preview was incredible. And just kind of like, okay, like, there is something deeper to this. This isn't just like some dude who got tricked.

Like, this is real. And I think the one thing that I always thought about was if you had found out like the night of the Heisman, cause you know, going to that ceremony and sitting there, I mean, I was sitting there thinking to myself, two things. One, I was like, damn man, everyone keeps coming up and like coming to Troy Smith. I'm like, I'm wondering, I'm pretty sure he won. Cause otherwise like maybe there'd be more people coming up and saying something to me, but that wasn't the case.

But, and then it was two, it was like, I got to go on on tv at some point kind of nervous for this you know chopper and rob's made an appearance had to make sure they don't they kind of towed the company line they didn't say anything too ridiculous chopper i could only imagine like walking over to chops and rob's be like hey i got catfished like it's not real, like this isn't real. And like having to deal with how would that – like what do you do? So I'm fascinated to see what happens and how this all plays out. It looked really interesting. I thought they did a good job of telling a story that I think a lot of people out there know.

Did you want to remind us you're a Heisman finalist? Is that what just happened? No. I just – you're asking me what I saw. I was literally thinking to myself like – No, I did forget. i was literally thinking myself like no i did forget what it felt like i did forget though i would be sitting there i'd be like is this the is this the point in time like tell me this is that the moment where you go you're up there for the heisman right and you go oh by the way uh this whole thing about this girlfriend that passed all this stuff

i was catfished none of that was true like is that the moment you just break the story out because i feel like that might derail the heisman Trophy. Like, no one's going to remember who won that year. They're just going to be like, hey, you remember when you talked about this catfish thing at the Heisman Trophy ceremony? Like, that would derail the entire thing. And I think at that point, catfishing wasn't as understood as it is now. You know, that was pre-Nev. That was pre-the TV show. Like like he's one of the trailblazers and the groundbreakers of like introducing catfishing to the world now it's a much more common thing uh i'm excited to see the doc just like you hey this guy is a heiser finalist oh

never forget holy this guy was it wasn't he aj this guy yes he was i think i wouldn't know i wouldn't ask for me thing for me, Brady. I'd flip you off right now if I didn't think that you guys would run with it somehow. Oh, for sure. For sure. We absolutely would. Absolutely. That'd be the next t-shirt.

Yeah, exactly. Go ahead, AJ. Brady, Pat said you need to diversify where you're at, your digital platforms, everything. Is there any truth to the rumors of you joining Live Golf Tour as a commentator? How much are they going to pay me? Oh, Brady! Good guy! How much do you think Faraday's getting?

I don't know. That's a good question. He's probably getting at least, I mean, you'd have to think they're getting, what, eight figures at least, right? I mean, because you're giving up the rest of your career

in that world to go do it. But, you know, it's such a complicated conversation, right? Like, you've got guys who are going to be making generational wealth that they're probably more towards the end of their career where they're not going to be able to make that sort of money on the tour playing. And, you know, yeah, you're obviously frustrated with who's actually paying the money, but we kind of pick and choose when we want to be frustrated about that, right?

It's like we don't seem to get that with any NBA players when they go overseas for different events, different places. What places? Don't say it, actually. Don't take us down because you're trying to get down. Jeez, what a bad guy. Hey, don't have any logic, please, Brady. Can't have it anymore.

And also, I can't wait to listen to Two Pros and Joe. Hell yeah. Every morning, 6 to 9 on to listen to Two Pros and Joe. Hell yeah. Every morning, 6 to 9 on Fox Sports Radio, right? Well, hey, yes. And I'm looking forward to seeing Zach Wilson when he gets back healthy, balling out this year, playing great. Hell yeah. This will not make it, though.

This quote will not make it this year, will it? No, we're going to clip this. Yeah. Hey, Gumpy, clip that part there. Put it on the ticker. Yeah, put it on the ticker. Brady Quinn wants Zach Wilson to get healthy and ball out this year. Hey, we appreciate you making time. I know you're very

busy, especially with the early mornings. You're the best, man. Thank you, guys. Thanks for having me on. Always fun being on. Ladies and gentlemen, Heisman finalist, Brady Quinn. Did you know he was a Heisman finalist, AJ? You pivoted right into a live question. I did, yeah. But yeah, of course, I

watched it on TV. I remember. I forgot. Was that when you guys were wearing the jersey? Laura was wearing a jersey, both of you guys? Yep. We both wore the half-and-half jersey to the Heisman presentation. So cool. Man, that's awesome. I actually told my coach, hey, I can't play in this NFL game the next day

because I'm over here wearing a half-and-half jersey. You guys have a week one bet this year for Ohio State and Notre Dame? No. I mean, we can if you want. Sure. Yeah, what's that? Like, hey, I'll give you four points, you know what I mean, and we'll put, I don't know what, a million bucks we can if he wants. Sure. Yeah, what's that? Like, I'll give you four points. You know what I mean?

And we'll put, I don't know what, a million bucks on the line? Yeah. Ten bags of broccoli and rice. Watch each other's kids for a week. Yeah, white chicken. Give me grilled, bland chicken. Boiled chicken. A whole month worth of boiled chicken.

No seasoning at all. Sounds great. That would be a great bet for you two, right? You and Brady? No. Yeah, that's all he eats. Yeah, it would. It would. That would be a great bet for you two, right? You and Brady? No. Yeah, that's all he eats. Yeah, it would. It would.

Why would I bet that chicken? I could just make that myself. I don't need to bet that. Yeah, but coming out of Brady's pocket, it's a lot better. You do that? You bet people like when WVU has a big game, you reach out to all your pals and make big bets? No, Mark Andrews last year.

The thing about West Virginia, you see, is Brady said, from 2 to 10, really, 3 to 10, West Virginia's just in there somewhere. You know what I mean? They're 3 to 10 nationally. They're just in there somewhere. Is that where they're at? They're going to get some wins. I didn't see that poll.

Some polls. I mean, every poll has a different. Neil Brown's got the boys humming over there. Trust the climb. Got JT Daniels. Graham Harrell's a dog. They're only touchdown dogs boys humming over there. Trust the client. Got JT Daniels. Graham Harrell's a dog. They're only touchdown dogs week one.

Two. Pitt. Exactly. Take them. That's in Pittsburgh too. Post Kenny Pickett, they got no shot. You see how good

Kenny Pickett is? That was what Pitt had. They ain't got that anymore. Pitt's going to this fucking Steeler preseason game. Their football team, Narduzzi's on the sideline. Neil Brown's doing push-ups

and up-downs like he's MCDC. Hammer West Virginia plus seven against the University of Pittsburgh Panthers. Best receiver left, went to USC. Whole entire team's crumbling over there. Of course. And we know everybody on West Virginia, right? JT Daniels is the quarterback.

JT Daniels, yeah. Graham Harrell's the offense coordinator, dude. They should just shit-can Neil Brown and make Graham Harrell the head coach. I agree. I don't know if that's the greatest move either. We don't know what Graham Harrell's going to be able to do in the mountains. Change the game probably. It would be cool to win some games. That's the difference though. What is? Your team

going to Ohio State, obviously you get autographed deals where you sign for two hours and get 50 grand just immediately because you went to Ohio State. The deep alumni, the connections, the unity, the community is awesome. You going back. General Bob still works out with the damn team.

That is an incredible thing. But also, every weekend, you can talk shit to people. This is like Alabama fans. Alabama fans, every weekend, can talk shit to people and feel good about it. Now, they'll lose every once in a while, so they have to take it on the chin. They lost the national championship last year.

It was a rebuilding year in Nixon. Like, that would be fun. Like, that would be a lot of fun to be able to do, and you just get to enjoy that every single week, and I don't even think you realize it. You become numb to it almost. You're probably right. I mean, because I don't sit there and talk to people

or care to reach out to people to tell them how states can be. Yeah, it's because you know, like, it's understood at this point. The standard is very high here. You're right. Yeah, that needs to happen back in West Virginia. It can.

With Graham, it can happen. It's understood, doesn't it? I agree. You agree? Oh, reading time? Uh-oh. I don't know if this is the right book for the moment. No, it's not the right one.

Where's the mole? This was a book that was suggested by somebody who led a book club that each week there was a new book. Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock. 578 pages.

Big boy. No problem. Tiny, tiny word. That guy just revealed that he keeps a bust of Nick Cage in his locker. Graham Hancock? No. Aaron. Really?

What happened? I just saw a video on the internet. He just revealed that he keeps a bust of Nicolas Cage in his locker. Like, you know, like a Hall of Fame bust. From what movie? Not from, but just his head. He's got a longer head. Did you know that, AJ?

Is it a headphone holder? That's awesome. That is sweet. Is this for his Bose deal or whatever? Doesn't he have a Bose deal? Oh, he put his headphones in Nick Cage. This dude is awesome. Look at all the fucking media, too, about to dive into the deep details of why he has it there.

Just having a time of his life. I've won the MVP two times in a row. Just did a whole podcast about what I do in the offseason. You all have to ask me questions every single day. Here's something new for you guys. How about this? Dance for me, Mark. Cut the stache.

Who did? Yeah, Raj did. What's that all about? What's that all about? He cut his hair, too? He usually cuts it during preseason, doesn't he? Before the regular season starts. Yeah, I feel like we normally see him in the full denim costume, though,

for that sponsor meal day. And he has that mustache. Doesn't he normally for that day? He can grow one. Yeah, he'll come back. He's got plenty of time. That Nicolas Cage mannequin head is going to bring a lot of good energy, though. Hell yeah. Actually, that's good news. Have the odds Nicolas Cage mannequin head is going to bring a lot of good energy, though.

Hell, yeah. Actually, that's good news. Have the odds changed for the Green Bay Packers to win the Super Bowl since finding out that Nicolas Cage's head is in Aaron Rodgers' locker? That's a good question. It probably should have. It should probably get better, I think. They were plus. No, still plus 1,200.

Oh, Sheeran's sleeping. Let me see the vision. Let me see if the vision changed. It should. I mean, Nicolas Cage being a part of anything means it's going to have success. Alright, let's get out of here then. It's been a hell of a Tuesday. Congrats to whoever ended up winning the PMS

poop watch. 202 was the right answer. I saw a couple 202s. I think someone did. And you haven't gone back. Was it somebody you liked? No, definitely not. He hasn't gone back because it was a 14-minute trip he. Was it somebody you liked? That's why you... No, no, no, no. Definitely not. He hasn't gone back because that was a 14-minute trip he took.

What do you expect? He literally binged and purged there. That was a punch of karma situation. Yeah, I also technically haven't had lunch yet. So in about, I don't know, 40 minutes, I'm going to have round two. I need to get you another iced latte going in the afternoon. Yeah, that'll be smart. We'll see.

If they have scones over there, maybe. I don't think they do. We're told they're not going to have scones tomorrow. Well, that's just not going to work. I'm going to need one of those guys, preferably the guy with the long hair, the mustache, and the bull nose ring to maybe go get some more scones or the breakfast burrito that they were talking about. Here we go.

This new coffee shop has really got the boys buzzing. I do actually need to head back over there because I grabbed a book this morning. I need to replace one. I got you. Maybe Maury's book. They got to take one and leave one? They do. It's a book exchange over there, yeah. This place is the most awesome place of all time. Very pissed. Brand new.

Brand new. Two days old. Very pissed that it's coming in our last couple days at this office. Shoot upset that I don't get a chance to enjoy Quo's a little bit more than I'm going to. Is it that far away? Once you move to the Thunderdome, you won't make the trek? I hate to say this to the people of Quills,

and they don't deserve this, especially after two days of great service to us, and we enjoy their company and them being on the same block as us. I will never go to Quills again once we move to the Thunderdome. Bingo, not a fucking chance. I am not happy about it. I might never come downtown again.

That's what I'm saying, though. Yeah, we're coming downtown. Con Man, though. Con Man lives there, right? Yeah, I'll go. From what I've heard, though, I will probably never step foot in Quill's either, but we have the luck.

What have you heard? What have you heard? Only good things. I mean, I've heard they serve milk with a little shot of espresso. That's an ice latte. Welcome to the coffee world, you loser. Exactly, and I'm not that sophisticated in coffee. Welcome to the coffee world, you loser. Exactly.

And I'm not that sophisticated in coffee. If that's coffee world, that's not a world I want to be in. I'll just take my regular blend coffee. I don't need to go to the hipster shop. And plus, every time I look at Bruce, he will have the Quills hat on, and I will always remember Quills. Quills coffee does have merch. Bruce did buy a hat this morning as we were in there.

I'll tell you, the environment is worth the trip. It is. So I'm going to remember that. I'm new to the coffee there he is there he is look at that looks like a nice shop that should actually be the face of quills he's so dude it is literally i've never gone into quills and not had the time of my life is that a ghost on the wall i got the light fixture of some sort yeah but i think they put a fucking ghost body underneath it Is that a ghost on the wall? I think that's a light fixture of some sort. Yeah, but I think they put a fucking ghost body underneath it. Where?

That's kind of like Quills over his left shoulder. That thing's sweet. That's a shadow. I don't think so. We're going to go in here right after it. Listen, anything can go to Quills, but I think that is a shadow. Let's not lose focus, though. Bruce does look cool enough to work at Quills right here. Yeah looks like he owns quills no no no we met the guy that was good guy yeah he's the one educating us about all the coffee okay the guy with the long hair

awesome guy coolest looking guy when you can hear him but we are new to the coffee world so we are being educated every time we go in there aj it is a full on i mean multiple pops out of me every trip to quills laughing very hysterically every time i go in there we are the biggest doofuses that step foot into quills coffee every single day and i'm enjoying the hell out of it being here yeah i feel like i probably do need to go over there and take a big messy shit in the bathroom though since they did give me the 16 ounces of whole milk. So we'll see. That's a nice latte.

You didn't know what you were ordering. That's on you. I didn't. I didn't. So I think what's fair is fair. I might have to take a massive shit over there and not flush. Eye for an eye. What goes around comes around.

Don't take it up for Decker. Well, I wouldn't do that. Clothes does not deserve that. I don't understand. Can you not drink milk? Does milk just make you all dump your life away? You drinking whole milk every day, pal? I could drink a gallon of whole milk and be fine.

What? Don't let it affect your stomach like that. I have colitis, you asswipe. I can't control it. Ty does. Ty does have a situation. Well, don't let it make you shit your pants, dude. I'm saying don't think about it.

I know a lot of people that think, oh, I can't eat cabbage. You know, that gets me. No, it doesn't correlate for me. I don't care. What Polish people are you hanging around? Do you eat stuff down in the center of Ireland? No, I know people that have a lot of stomach issues. I've never thought of it. I want to let you know that we

appreciate Quills for everything. I love Quills. And I do want to try those breakfast burritos, so they need to be on that fucking stat.ills for everything. I love Quills. Love you, Quills. And I do want to try those breakfast burritos so they need to be on that fucking stat. Here we go. They have a great bakery

that we've not been able to experience enough because by the time we get there it's already sold out, AJ. Really? So this place has a good line out the door? Probably before I get in

it does. I don't know. Yeah. A lot of people probably DoorDash in their nice little breakfast stuff. I don't think they're set up for DoorDash. I didn't see the normal bums outside Starbucks today probably DoorDash in their nice little breakfast stuff. I don't think they're set up for DoorDash.

I didn't see the normal bums outside Starbucks today, so I assume they've already gotten word and they're making the two-day hike up to Quill. Seriously. And that place is going to be covered in poop and, you know, pennies on the ground. Quills is so nice. You need to watch it. Stop with the negativity with Quills.

Sorry. AJ, I can't wait for you to experience Quills because you come out here at least one time before we get to Thunderdome, right? Yeah, I'd love, you know, I'm sure they have great, like, pour over black coffee. Oh, they do. They got an ice cold. They probably have all the fancy, like, Bunsen burner things and all the weird contraptions. It's pretty...

Pretty bare bones, actually. Oh, okay. What? I'm saying, like, it's all about the coffee. They don't need all that fancy bullshit. It's... You kidding me? What's funny, Tone?

Nothing. I'm going over right after this. Yeah, you guys, I mean, we've been there three times. I'm going there in two minutes. Yeah, exactly. You hear me? I'll be over there in two minutes. We'll see if they got any of the scones back.

They better have some fucking scones. First off... Wow. Can't wait. What? What second off? Can't wait. You have to now, Tone.

Oh, is that... This whooping cough, Tone? How are you, buddy? You've never been over there yet? No. What? Tony, you love coffee. No, because you guys go over and you'd like to make a mockery of the place

and I don't want to be associated with that. What do you mean? over and you'd like to make a mockery of the place, and I don't want to be associated with that. What do you mean? What do you mean? What happened, Tone? Is there some like – They go over there like a fucking marching band and fucking whoop the whole place up. I mean, pull that picture of Bruce up again. The guys hit more reefer before we went over there than anybody in the play.

It's like Wiz Khalifa. It is an environment. It is a – listen, it's – Wait, do you bring the environment or is it already there? I think I bring the environment everywhere I go. I'd like to say. But we have – I've been having a blast at Quilt. Yeah, Quilt is more than just coffee.

It's an experience. It is. I've been having a – we've got a book out of there. Yeah. What are you doing? How long has this been going on? Two days. Yesterday was the grand opening.

So happy. We were so happy. I hope they see Ty coming today and they don't let him in. That would be a big mistake. They should say that. I think they enjoy us, man. They should. I mean, this is is pretty good pub for the

place i would say yeah yeah i'd say so we are idiots though so like the way they're talking to us teaching us what the fuck we're ordering it is because this is like an ipa coffee shop it is like high level coffee stuff you know we don't know super passionate about coffee i'm guessing yeah it's like a coffee culture coffee community and then you got us cool you got it is it actually is but you got us walking in there go what you know i mean it's a full we bring down the the iq level of everybody in there every time we go in and i have a blast doing that like that is the thing i enjoy those types of situations and i think that's why i'll continue to go to quos every single day yeah until we're not down here i don't know if you can be doing what you did today, though.

Your butthole would not be able to keep up, I don't think. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm not going to be drinking 16. I had about 40 ounces of coffee this morning. Coffee. I wasn't expecting to drink a full 16-ounce glass of whole milk. I was not equipped for that. I mean, I might as well just have ordered, like, a four-pound bowl of queso

and drank it before the show. Gross. I'm sure it would be much better when Ty just eats that bean and sausage burrito and doesn't drink that latte. All right, let's get out of here. This show stinks. The only thing that can save us is more Quills tomorrow. That's right.

I'm expecting everybody to have at least one trip to Quills before the show. Ah, we're trying to get it tomorrow. So, got to go to Quills today. All right. I'm ready for the show. We're not going to be at studio tomorrow. AJ, we'll see you Thursday, by the way. Yeah, I was going to say, I want to watch.

Are you going to drive over for that or no? No, I won't be able to make it tomorrow. I didn't think you guys were going tomorrow already. Two days off this week, eh, Pirate? Pirate? What's that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? I was actually wondering.

Exactly, Con. What, are you just going to rob a booty, dude? He couldn't think of a word. What are you talking about? You're a pirate because you're a rebel without a cause. You skip and work every single week, one day at a time. Rebel without a cause? What's that from?

Kid Rock's got a cause. What's that? I'm a rebel without a cause. COVID and Biden. I'm going platinum. That's Bob Ritchieie I think Rebel Without Cost Yeah, Bob Richie Yeah, but his two causes are

One of them's, you know Sleeping in the White House And the other one's Pillaging the air We live in the dumbest time of all time Don't we? Yeah, I'd say Just open shots being fired at

this fucking president by everybody at this point right i mean just and it's not like they're not on warrants it's nothing about policy it's just like this bag of bones everybody's basically saying about it's like well wasn't that kind of known that he was 97 years old when he was getting voted in what do we yeah well i don't think people could have anticipated the bike fall. I don't think people could have... Hey, listen, anybody who's ever had to... Yeah. Anybody who's ever had to choose to click in

is expecting the bike fall, man. Oh, yeah, chocolate, chocolate chip. No one expected that. No one expected him to be biking by our borders yesterday and them to ask him if they could talk to him for a second and him saying, no, I'm going to get a bathing suit. Whoa.

Sorry. That's exactly what happened. Like, he does things... That's better than the one time they asked if they could talk to him and he said, no, I've going to get a bathing suit. I'm sorry. That's exactly what happened. Like, he does things. That's better than the one time they asked if they could talk to him and he said, no, I've got to drive this thing and maybe they could stay in front of you and run him over. I forgot about that, yeah. That was the new F-150.

Zero to 60 in three seconds. I only know the situations that hit into my world, obviously, with this guy. And it's always, I mean, he's getting cooked. This guy is getting cooked by everybody at this point. It's making its way into my always i mean he's getting cooked this screen this guy is getting cooked by everybody at this point it's making its way into my twitter it's just getting cooked the one of him saying how you'd be a speed bump for my new f-150 you're staring in front and find out yeah that was i didn't see that yeah it was awesome last year he was test driving a new all-electric ford f-150 yeah i remember when he pulled up and rolled the window down this thing

can fly or whatever he said. I didn't see him try to run people over. I don't think he tried. He said he would, though, which I thought, great promo here. Not to mention the promo, you can describe America in one word. That's the President of the United States. Why don't you have a little respect?

Commander-in-Chief, I support him. But if he's going to do things, then we've got to talk about him. No, we don't. That's literally what we don't talk about. Can't just be blind to what he's doing. Well, I have it. And I would like to continue to do so. Yeah, definitely keep it that way. Because once you get in,

there's no getting out. That's what it seems like. That's what it seems like. Too entertaining. When is the next... The presidential election is when it takes over everything, right? 2024. Yeah, midterms are this year. So we got time. Yeah, you got some time. He will level up as we go here.

I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about as a whole. Oh, yeah. Presidential election becomes what, like 40 people think they're going to become president? Oh, yeah. Hey, how many narcissists can we pack on one fucking stage is kind of what it is. And that's when I am forced to get into the politics world. There's some poor public speakers out there.

Isn't that like rule number one for politicians? Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if Shapiro throws his hat in the ring this year. Because he can't. Oh, he's old enough now? I believe he'll be 36 by the next time it comes around. Gary Vee's running? If he runs, then book it.

I mean, if he chooses who he wins. Nez Shapiro? The guy from Catfish? No, Ben. Ben Shapiro. Yes. Do you know who he's talking about? The Daily Wire Plus.

If you saw him, you'd know. Very smart. Speaks very quickly. Yeah. Is that a good guy? Like graduated college at age 12. Yeah. One of those guys. Relatable, it sounds quickly. Yeah. Is that a good guy? Like graduated college at age 12. Yeah. One of those guys.

Relatable, it sounds like. Definitely not. Definitely not. He's running for president, this guy? I'm saying there's been... What about Alex Jones? He needs to get in there so he can give himself a fucking... Who?

He needs to give himself a... Oh, you know who's got my vote? Who? Kid Rock? Kid Rock? As soon as that governor of Florida said, take those fucking masks off, I said, that's my president.

He also. DeSantis probably making a run at it. Is Obama coming back? President Obama, sorry. He already served two terms. I don't think he can.

No, consecutively, right? You can take a year off and go back, can't you? I don't know for a fact. I don't think. I have no idea, though. I do not know the rules. I just assumed that you could. Is that not something you could do?'t think. I have no idea, though. I do not know the rules. I just assumed that you could.

Is that not something you could do? If you didn't have two terms, maybe. Is it not just two? Trump could do that if he runs again, obviously. He only had one, though, right? So that's a different situation. But two is max, right? Eight years.

Yes. Two only. That's what George Washington did for us. Doesn't need no fucking Grover Cleveland deal again, where his fat ass is in the White House for 20 years. Grover Cleveland did that? I don't know if he was the specific president, but one of them kind of overstayed their will.

It might have been William McKinley. That was Taft. Yeah, hard Taft. One of them. Oh, he's old fat white guys. We're naming a bunch of presidents I didn't even know were presidents right there. Oh, yeah?

Taft got stuck in a tub and died. Yeah. FDR or Teddy? One of them did like 18. Did Taft die in a bunch of presidents I didn't even know were presidents right there. Oh, yeah? Taft got sucked in a tub and died. Yeah. FDR or Patty? One of them did like 18. Did Taft die in a tub? 340 pounds. That's what they knew. He was a fucking man.

No more fucking fatso's in the White House. This guy can't get out of the bathtub. Yeah, like Elvis. All right. I feel like we just disparaged a lot of presidents' names there. Yeah. Hey, Harry Truman was a fucking badass, though. Yeah, he was.

He was. S? Yep. Buck stops here. Yeah. Dog. Yeah. presidents names or yeah hey Harry Truman was a fucking badass he was S yep buck stops here yeah dog anyways we hope whoever wins really does a good job sounds like it's a

it's a win win no matter what good luck definitely a win win who wants to be president nobody hey you're very

successful you seem to have figured life out you got a bunch of money. You want to fucking just throw that all the way so you can make next to nothing and be hated by everybody? Come be president of the United States. Okay. Alright, I'll do it.

I'll do it. Fucking sign me up for that. You're going to be a special type of human to do that, man. It's coming up in two years. We hope everybody that's good out there is watching and runs for president. Good luck, presidents. We hope you all win. We'll get them. Hope you get able to get out of the tub, too,

because Taff really did a number of that thing. He did. What do you do, sledgehammer it to get them out? Yeah. I think they got scissors, the – Garden shears. Jaws of life. They got the jaws of life.

They got – Oh, by the way, I actually broke a porcelain thing this morning at the house. Yeah. That's going to be a problem, actually I actually deal with when Sam gets back. It slipped out of my hand. Well, it was one of the cat bowls. You know, you got four cat bowls. They each eat individually once.

And I was cleaning them out because they had a lot of food stuck in the inside of it. And that thing slipped out of my hand. It was actually the meow one. There's a meow one. There's four different ones the meow one slipped out of my hand and that thing shattered

took me back to art class like whenever we had to blast something or whatever ceramics I obviously dropped mine and it just fucking exploded a thousand pieces. That's exactly what this thing did in my kitchen this morning. So I'm picking up these interviews.

I go, don't step on it. The whole thing. I mean, I'm a fucking idiot. What'd you say, Zito? Zito found President Taft's bathtub? Big boy. That's a hot tub. Did they all die in there?

No, none of those are Taft. Taft took up the whole tub. Is it Joseph Stalin? Where's L2? Oh, Zito, how can you do that? L2. I believe this is showing how many people could fit in the bathtub. Yeah.

Well, what's the big stooge sitting outside of it? Yeah, what's that guy just looking? He might have been the ceramic guy. He's a builder. So R1 is the guy that you said looks like Stalin? R1. Yes. L2 has an interesting look there.

Yeah, he does. L1 looks like a booze bag. Probably was. Back then. Most of them were. Is there water in there? R2 is the designer, right? Let's assume R2 seems to be the most satisfied with his work.

What year was this? Well, right after Taft was president, obviously. Yeah. Roaring 20s. 1913, I believe. 1913, if I had to guess. Z, what year? 1913, I believe.

Wow, right. Spot on. Spot on. Was that a guess? No, Zito every once in a while drops some gems in my ear. You know what I mean? Like, while we're talking to Brady Quinn, he goes, Catfish, actually, Diggs texted me, Catfishfish i forget what you wanted from me in the middle of

conversation he'll like sneak in and it sounds like that dane cook pickles thing and it's it's normally like very valid very good and it's in one ear while the person's giving the answer in the other ear so i gotta swallow and compress laughter normally and then figure out how to work it in then as soon as i work it in i hear ha-ha from Zito in the back in the ear again. So it's a good little relationship. I'm very lucky for Zito. Very lucky for everybody that watches this show, calls into this show, listens to this show, and tries to guess what time Ty's butt's going to explode.

This has been Tuesday. Tomorrow we're at training camp. AJ, we will miss you. Darius Butler will be live with us. Can't wait for that. MCDC will be there. Jim Ursae wait for that. MCDC will be there. Jim Ursa will be there. Matt Ryan will be there. I believe we'll have some footage from practice as well.

I mean, it should be a good time. What time do they practice? Noon to two. Oh, sweet. Perfect. Yeah. And we're going to have a camera too. That would be hilarious. Yeah, yeah. It should be a lot of fun. We're going to get in trouble for showing stuff. Yeah.

We'll be all right. You don't give anything away. Well, it's not that the league hasn't already seen those two. What? It's a joint practice. They're not showing anything in a joint practice anyway. Yeah, they are. These are more important than a goddamn game.

They are, but they're not going to give away their secrets and run some stuff that they may run week 16 against each other. Yeah, we'll show like one-on-ones. Watch Pittman moss somebody on the lines. I can't wait to get Michael Pittman Jr. our only weapon right now. Going one-on-one with Dog.

Okuda. Is Okuda on that team still? Yeah, he is. Coming off Achilles. I can't wait for Hard Knocks tonight. He should talk to Kabaly. See what his rehab routine was. that'd be kaboli got over two achilles fast he's back on the side lines everybody needs to be doing what caboli's doing including us sandwiches in your pocket yeah quills in your mouth sandwiches in your pocket boom that's caboli way we'll be back tomorrow

caj we miss you bud thank you everybody uh pms poop watch is already over uh four winners of 500 bucks you're the best hammer will be coming live at youtube.com forward slash hammer down we'll see you then goodbye see you everybody thank you aj