The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 724 - Shams Charania, Navy SEAL/Terminal List Author Jack Carr, David Bakhtiari, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night's preseason game between the Jets and the Falcons, the expectations for both teams moving forward, the Titans and Cardinals having joint practices together in Nashville, and more. Joining the progrum to chat about the news that Kevin Durant and the Nets have officially let bygones be bygones is NBA Insider for Stadium and The Athletic, Shams Charania (29:42-42:49). Next, Navy SEAL for 20 years, author of The Terminal List, host of the Danger Close podcast, Lt. Cmdr Jack Carr joins the show to chat about the conception of the Terminal List, how he wrote the series with Chris Pratt in mind, his experiences as a SEAL, what his next project will be, his writing process, and much more (56:21-1:37:09). Later, 5x All-Pro, 3x Pro Bowler, Left Tackle for the Green Bay Packers, David Bakhtiari joins the show to chat about his rehab process, how excited he is to be off the PUP list and back on the field, what he's done so far this offseason, his relationship with Aaron Rodgers, and more (1:55:19-2:11:40). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022, and this sports show is gonna be a good one. It starts right now. Football! That's right, football is happening. There was another preseason game last evening in which the Falcons jumped out to an early lead

over the Jets because the Jets were not playing any of their starters. And then Stravolski, whose actual name is Straveler, came in for the Jets and turned everything around. The Jets get a win over the Falcons. Got a chance to see a little Bob Sala with some emotion like he was back with the Niners. Looked like he was enjoying his life. That was

great. Artie Smith was pissed. Artie Smith. There was a fourth down and everybody was about to go for it on the goal line. And the center didn't snap the ball. Everybody else reacted and Artie Smith went over and started tuning some people out. You motherfucker. You got to do what you got to do. And the commentators, all they could talk about last night, Dan Orlovsky, Louis Riddick, Steve Levy, Laura Rutledge on the sideline, thought they did a good job.

All they could talk about is how Artie Smith wants to change the culture down there. Defense coordinator for the Falcons said, I'm changing the daggum culture down here. He said, we've been bottom 20 for the last 15 years for this organization. I'm changing fucking daggum culture. They quoted daggum in a quote card on ESPN last night, and I loved it. I enjoy the thought of the Falcons only having a 9.9% chance of winning the Super Bowl in some sort of some fucking thing. That's a very low thing.

It's very low, the lowest percentage in the NFC South. You look around the NFC South. Jameis Winston, is he going to be good or is he not going to be good? That determines the Saints' fate, I guess. Carolina Panthers, Baker Mayfield was just named the starter. Seems like he might be a guy down there. Who knows? The Cleveland Browns had him.

They won a couple games, won two playoffs, won a playoff game over the Pittsburgh Steelers. First playoff win in like 55 years. Let's kick him the fuck out of town. Let's bring in a guy that can't play the first 11 games, 12 weeks, whatever the case is. Pay him more money than anybody else. So with the Carolina Panthers, with Christian McCaffrey, who's allegedly learning how to play NFL football

and not get hit at the end of every single run, he's electrifying, he's exciting. They were 1-9 last year without him. Like, do a quick math there. 4-2, I think? Nope. It would have to be four and three. Four and three whenever he was playing.

One and nine when he wasn't playing. Teddy Two Gloves, who was the starting quarterback for the Panthers two years ago, he didn't even have Christian McCaffrey on the field for basically like 15 games or 14 games because Christian McCaffrey is so exciting, so electrifying. He just also causes explosive hits every single time he touches the football. This year he's allegedly going to be changing. Will the Carolina Panthers be anything? We don't know.

And then, obviously, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Tom, fresh off a family vacation. He has come out and said that he was not on a Masked Singer, although he did have a mask on last week. It was a football or a motorcycle helmet as he was riding down the street. Allegedly, that's what he was potentially doing. We don't know if he was riding motorcycles last week, it was a football or a motorcycle helmet as he was riding down the street. Allegedly, that's what he was potentially doing. We don't know if he was riding motorcycles last week. You would think that would be on the internet and somebody would find him if he was riding

motorcycles. But nonetheless, Tampa Buccaneers got, you know, they lose Gronk. They lose AB. They lose BA. They lose Ronald Jones. They lose a couple other guys on the team. But everybody's assuming they're going to be great. Everybody's talking about them maybe even making it to the Super Bowl

Winning the Super Bowl because Tom Brady Every other year of his career for like the last 15 20 years he has won the Super Bowl So they're just assuming that that's going to happen Again so the Falcons are kind of Sitting at the bottom of the NFC South And I'll tell you I didn't mind what I saw last night

And now they're going against twos They were going against the Jets. It was preseason. Mark Smeriotta looked good. Just like Mark Smeriotta looked good whenever he came in relief for Derek Carr for the Raiders on that Thursday night football game when Derek Carr blew his groin off of his hip. He was back eight days later to play again, and Mark Smeriotta never saw the field again.

Took another backup deal. This is the first time we're getting a chance to see him really play since being added as the starter in Tennessee when Ryan Tannehill came into his own. He was a guy with the Titans, though, for a while. Went away, did the backup role. I assume got humbled a bit. Learned a bunch.

Now he's getting an opportunity down in Atlanta where they're trying to change the program. Will Mark Smariota be a guy? Kyle Pitts, will he be a guy? None of us know. Kyle Marini's suspended for a year for a legalized game. Yikes. Gambling in Florida.

Can't be betting on games. But they seem to be fucked. The Jets. Yeah, yeah. I like them. I liked everything I saw last night. But the people that are putting them at a low odds are putting them at low odds for a reason. And anytime you're talking about rebuilding an entire culture, you just assume that's going to take a long time.

Right. Yeah, I mean, you can do it overnight, I guess. You paint over some walls and get a new quarterback that's number one guy sure and you can do your thing but them pushing matt ryan out to the indianapolis colts and matt ryan deciding to leave after the sean watson sweepstakes ended up as a failure for blank and the falcons i don't know when they're going to get back around but the nfc south is going to be a problem is what everybody's thinking i liked what i saw the jets didn't look too bad i think you know it's nice to have NFL football to chat about, and that's why the football call sign coming in every single

hour is a good one. I like that we decided upon that. The talk's stable. I have Ty Schmidt, I have Boston Connor here. One half of the hammer. Cowboys, Tony Diggs is here. Everybody in the back in today's show is packed. Yeah. Huge. We got Sean Serrani in about 23 minutes. Kevin Durant and the Brooklyn

Nets have come to an agreement to continue their partnership. That's nice. Wow. I like that. I like the way that was worded by the Nets, by the way. Come to an agreement to continue their partnership because they're viewing it as a business decision with KD, Trey Five, or whatever the business is that he is. Him sticking around is good business for the Nets.

It's good for Kyrie Irving. He's coming up on a contract here. It's good for everything except for the teams that thought they were maybe in the Kevin Durant. Memphis was allegedly going to be in the game. Allegedly Boston Celtics were going to be in the game. Toronto was potentially looking. Phoenix was potentially looking at Kevin Durant. Now it has been officially released that Kevin Durant and the Nets will be kumbaya for another year,

even though it was very publicly reported that he said, Steve Nash is fucking other bummer than me. Now, I don't know if Steve Nash and he are going out, having a couple waters or yogas, smoking dupes together, doing whatever they got going on to rebuild their relationship. Let's assume that'll go just fine because they're both players. Players can get through some shit. But good.

We'll talk to Shams Sharani about how that came to be and how that took place. And if you're watching live at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show, you're seeing five books stacked up. What you don't know about these books. Everybody knows I'm an avid book reader. Started a book club. Yeah, I was part of one of the biggest book clubs of all time. That's right.

I'm an avid. You guys should read books. Yeah barnes nobles yes with the way they used to set up books because of this show that's right where they would place books in barnes and nobles in the book community which is basically the book mecca right oh yeah all the book readers take their pilgrimage to barnes and noble we had an opportunity to change the way books were placed in the heaven of books, Barnes and Noble. Well said. Because of the book club we were a part of. Follow up, I've never read a book in my life.

At this point, I'm 35. I should probably hold on. You know what I mean? I should probably just go forever. I don't think you should read zero books. I don't think you should have too much ADHD. I don't think you should have the ability ADHD. I don't think you should have the ability to just go ahead and not open a single book for your entire life and manage to make it

through school somehow without cheating. No big deal. Not that good of a reader. I don't think it's for you, but for me, I've never read a book. I'll tell you what though, after watching this show, this is a series I would think about contemplate diving into reading for because the person who wrote it, 20-year Navy SEAL. Wow. Dog. Absolute dog. Dog. And Chris Pratt, the way that whole thing, I mean, it was unbelievable.

The Terminal List was amazing. The Terminal List series is award-winning. The author of said Terminal List series, which is five books, Terminal List is the first one. Then you got two, three, four, five. And then here's the first one again. Repackaged with Chris Pratt's beautiful face. Sexy cover. Right on top of it.

Sexy cover. The author, Jack Carr, will be joining us today in the second hour. Yes. 1.15 Eastern Standard Time. About an hour, four minutes, and 28 seconds for those keeping track at home. I can't believe we're getting a chance to chat with him. I watch Terminalist in like three sittings, I think, on Amazon. Just like mostly anybody, as soon as you watch one episode, you're

hooked. And incredibly well written, well put together, and a story that I think the world needs to see involving PTSD and the transition of back into life after being warriors, which is a lot of our military going through. Jack Carr is an absolute stallion on the battlefield,

but his brain is one of the most talented of all time. This many books. Do you know how many motherfuckers have been killed in these books right here? Oh, lots. I mean, there's somebody dead, dead, dead. Bad people. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. They're all right here, dead.

Five of these books. There's six here. These two are the same. But in these books, so many stories are told of great heroism and savagery. Can't wait to talk to Jack Carr about how he got to this point of writing these books. How are you a 20-year Navy SEAL, still badass, and have the ability to sit down and write? How many? 350, 400?

400 pages, yeah. 390. 400 pages, yeah. 390. 400 pages. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It takes forever. It takes some people numerous years to write this. Is that his process? Does he piece these stories together?

We shall ask. And I'm assuming that we will dive into other conversation with Jack Carr as well. And then the man fresh off the PUP for the Green Bay Packers, David Bakhtiari. He'll join us in the third hour at 2.15 Eastern Standard Time. He'll be live from the Green Bay Packers facility.

Let's dive right in there. He comes off PUP. They say they're going to take it easy, go day by day with him, Ty Schmidt. This is massive. I mean, today, 4 p.m., five more cuts have to be made for every single team, maybe six if you're planning on picking other people up. Teams are getting shaped right now. I don't think we'll really know anybody that gets cut today maybe a couple vets that are going to be capped casualties will get released by 4 p.m today so then you'll find another home and you know with enough time to understand the playbook

but really i don't think anything is going to be quite a stir today the big stir though is bakhtiari's back there in green bay he looks good he sounds good we'll find out today when he's gonna play I guess Ty are you gonna put his feet to the fire or what well I don't know if we're gonna find out today when he's gonna play because it seems like just him coming off the PUP list is really all they're looking for at this point uh what is interesting is LeFleur said I think earlier this week that starters are gonna play in their third preseason game which I was not expecting so I wonder if Rodgers will get any run. But, again, just – I got it. Yeah, probably not.

But just Bakhtiari being off the PUP list, like it is just a sigh of relief because that offensive line is hopefully going to look a lot different come week one than it did, you know, two weeks ago when they were expecting kind of have their two top guys out for, you know, the foreseeable future. In this week three, three you know in past this has been when starters play it sounds like a lot of teams are saying hey we're playing our guys but they're still teams there aren't so we have to keep our eye on that whenever we're thinking about

gambling this trend of week one all the overs hit yes not all of them but you get it the majority of overs hit 14-3 yeah 14-3 what was the trend here preseason week two that just finished last night uh week two it was more level as far as overrunners concerned. And then really, it's all about trying to find who's starting and who's not. And a lot of these coaches are being kind of cryptic about it, which is really pissing me off. Yeah, me too. It's pissing me off too.

Come on. It's bullshit. Is it pissing you off? Yeah. It's pissing me off. Bullshit. At some point, we got to take a stand. Yeah.

Hey, coaches. Right now. Stop being so vague. No more of it. Are we able to bet on these games? Yeah, I think so. Can we get a heads up, Bob Sala? Please.

I mean, what's the deal? You're right. It's pissing me off, too. He said he didn't know. He had to get a feeling on it, and then he didn't come out until like 4 o'clock yesterday that he wasn't playing starters. And then the line jumped, and you were on the right side because you knew Strzofolski was going to do what he was going to do in the fucking fourth quarter, but it wasn't

a big deal. I don't think anybody knew that his name was Streveler. No. I found that out last night while watching the game. I saw a tone tweet, Strzofolski's dealing. And I'm watching the game, and I ain't seen a single Strzofolski step on the field. And then they zoomed on the back of the quarterback, and it said Strebler. And I actually texted the group.

I said, is Strebler the guy that I've been calling Strzofolski for the last year? And everybody confirmed that that was the case. We were nowhere near this. He's the NFL champion. I'm chomping. Him holding the great call. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Best number 15 quarterback the Jets have ever had. No, champion. I'm champion. Yeah. Him holding a great cover. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Best number 15 quarterback the Jets have ever had. No, Tim Tebow would be that one. But we can move on. I don't know. I honestly, I am so sorry to Streffler. We weren't even close to his name. No, we weren't. Stravolski isn't even close.

I don't know how I dove into Stravolski to start saying it and screaming it. Streffler deserves respect. And I think last night he walked out in the middle of that game that didn't matter and said, you know what, I'm going to earn my respect today here in America. I already have a great cup. I already have a great cup. I already played well for the Cardinals, but here I am preseason game doing my thing. What's that?

He may have sent Mike White to sell insurance last night. Well, Mike White will get signed by somebody after that run he had last year. It was unbelievable. He threw for 400 yards in his debut. Do you know Dan Orlovsky ran out of the end zone in his NFL debut? No. Not until they said that yesterday on the broadcast. I had no idea that was the first game.

Yeah, that got brought up in a broadcast whenever Mike White came into the game and was doing something. They talked about his debut against the Bengals, 400 and some yards, however many touchdowns. And then they said, Dan, is that how your debut started with, 400? And he said, no. And he said, how about a three at the beginning of that? No.

How about a two? No. How about a one? One. And then he said, also, I think it will be remembered forever of about a run I made or something like that. And then there was a big pop in the booth, as there should have been, by the way. Didn't sound like this was a planned conversation.

I think they knew they were going to get to that. I don't think Louis Riddick or Levy knew that it was in first game. Big Pop, that was your first game? First ever NFL game Dan Orlovsky chased by Jared Allen 11 yards from the end zone line right across the back. He said he got to the sideline and Calvin Johnson

laughed in his face. Unreal. And he said that kind of put his whole thing to bed. I think they did a good job last night. But yeah, Mike White, I think he'll get signed strictly off of how he performed last year in those two games. Because you look around, there's a lot of fucking terrible quarterbacks playing football in this preseason football game. Honestly, a lot of bad quarterbacking right now happening out there. Well, and with Strzofulski. Straveler, Straveler.

His name's Straveler. It's a term of endearment. It's not like we're throwing shade at this guy. And he plays like a Strzofulski. I think that's why I called a Strzofulski. I think that's why I called him Strzofulski. You see him running. You see the STR and it's like, this guy's last name's got to be Strzofulski.

That's how he plays. He's fucking running through people. He's putting seams right into a shoebox. He looked pretty good last night. House and beer. Sounds like a Strzofulski to me. Sounds like a Strzofulski to me. Sounds like a Stravolski to me. It's a term of endearment.

You're not shitting on this guy by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think so either. That's like Dougie. Yeah, exactly. Bingo. Dougie Mills. D.E. Mills, it said. We're obviously, if you're going to put that out there,

we are going to have to guess what we think would be a good name. If we were his parents, as he was coming into Earth, what would we D-name him? Dougie was what we want with him. Because he was... Hey, Dougie was moving. We've got nicknames for all the guys we care about. Go on.

Dougie. Bingo. Fucking Raj. Oh, that's what it is? Yeah. That's what it is. Yep. Yep.

Send seven. Sure. Seven. Seven, of course. McCorkle. Sure. Sure. Seven. Seven, of course. McCorkle. Sure. That's right. I mean, we got all the nicknames from the guys we care about. Matty Ice.

I just think Stravolski deserves a little. I mean, you're right. We do call him Matty Ice. Footsteps. Footsteps, Flacco. How'd he look? How's he doing? Is he playing?

So fucking good. His hair, hard to say this, has never looked better. Well, it's like Andy Dalton. Yeah. Andy Dalton, Andy Dalton. Yeah. Andy Dalton, Gordon Hayward, a couple of whites that have found a barber that really understood the calyx in their hair and how their hair flowed.

I think Flacco did the same thing. Because he went from Burt to what he looks like now, and it's incredible. Yeah. He also got $100 million, I guess. Everybody says that. Perfect touch of gray. It's unbelievable.

My hair is turning white slowly. Like as we talk about it last week, I show up at a Smackdown in Canada, go through customs, do the whole thing. Learn French, landed, uh,

get to the arena. And Michael goes, did you dye your hair? I'm like, no, the dyeing hair days are long gone. He's like, it looks really light today.

And then I looked in the mirror and I was like, there is a lot of white hair there right now. I mean, this today. And then I looked in the mirror and I was like, there is a lot of white hair there right now. I mean, this thing, I think I'm going to be Bob Barker white. That would be awesome. So pumped. Do you know how hard I was trying to dye my hair to get to that color in like high school and college? Every picture you see of me

with dyed hair, I was trying to get the Bob Barker white. Now there's a chance that I'm just staring it down full time and I'm fucking staring it down full time, and I'm fucking pumped about it. I am legitimately pumped up. I think it's coming in a year or two. You're going to see me as fucking Bob Barker out there. That would be sick.

If it's silky, too, it would be silky white. Dude, I'm hopping in a tanning bed every day. You are going to see this hair glow on these lats at the Thunderdome whenever we move in. You're going to look like a Targaryen.ats at the Thunderdome whenever we move it. You're going to look like a Targaryen. Oh, man. By the way, House of the Dragon, actually good. Pretty good.

A lot of people watched it. 9.9 million, they said. That's a lot of people. All these numbers are bullshit. Can they track how many people are with Hard Knocks? Can they track on Hulu? You would think HBO Max is a lot easier to track than cable. Did you see that video?

Definitely on Hulu. Definitely on YouTube TV. Definitely on Comcast. Definitely on DirecTV. I thought Hulu just had live sports, not HBO. Hulu has an entire lineup of channels. Baker told you that. That's why you listen to him,

because he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. He's damn dumb. What's your problem? Why are you putting over Baker so hard? Just because you hate Cleveland? Baker, I've always loved Baker. He looks good. He'll sling it around.

This is disgusting. Is this what's happening in Pittsburgh? Is this the email all the insurers are sending around? Hey, listen, we like Baker now. Remember, the better Baker does, the worse Cleveland looks. Is that what you guys are? Is this what we have all started doing here? It's unbelievable.

You can take any. Just say that we took him off of the terminal list. Speaking of, Jack Carr will be joining us today. Oh, yeah. The man who wrote Terminal List. Is that the new cover? This is Chris Pratt. This is not Jack Carr.

Looks like him, though. I don't know if either of them would take that as a compliment or a slight, but nonetheless. I got questions. Me too. Terminal List. Who doesn't? I met this guy. I didn't meet if either of them would take that as a compliment or slight. But nonetheless. I got questions. Me too. Who doesn't? I met this guy. I didn't meet him, actually.

I sat next to this guy at a UFC event when Izzy came out to the Undertaker's music and won. Right. But it wasn't that electrifying. It was kind of a slow fight. I wish Terminalist came out before that. So I could have known who Chris Pratt was? Yeah. I agree.

With Jurassic World Dominion guy who was telling dinosaurs. Yeah, he buried him. I had to. That movie sucked. Hey, now that I know my guy Chris Pratt, he hated Jurassic World Dominion too. That's right. I'll ask Jack Carr if after watching Jurassic World Dominion, did he have second thoughts about Chris Pratt? Because I'll tell you, two different humans in my eyes.

Jurassic World Dominion, Chris Pratt? All right, dude. Terminalist Chris Pratt? All right, dude! Yeah, this guy. I want him in everything. I want Chris Pratt in everything. After Jurassic World Dominion, I was embarrassed for the guy.

I was like, this guy was homeless, right, at one point? It was a Mickey Mouse writing. What's that? It was a Mickey Mouse writing. I think it was editing guy was homeless, right, at one point? Some Mickey Mouse writing. What's that? It was some Mickey Mouse writing. I think it was editing. It was kind of like what happened in the Little People. Big World. Downsizing.

Downsizing. There it is. What are you guys talking about? Little People, Big World. Yeah, it was a great TV show. That was not edited either. That was reality. Shout out Roll Off Farms.

No, just Bat Roll Off. I was talking about the Downsized People. Sure. Nobody saw it except for UNC. Well, there's a reason. That show was terrible. They accidentally like legit cut a piece of the movie out.

I think so. Just like Jurassic World Dominion. They did. That probably happened with Jurassic World Dominion like six different times. Too much time on our hands. That's what I think. Yeah, because there'd just be things would happen and be like, oh, okay, they all just ended up in the same place in this 15,000 acre COVID. COVID and Fouch ruined that movie. Oh. Well, Fouch is retired. That movie just sucks. would happen and be like, oh, okay, they all just ended up in the same place in this 15,000 acre... COVID and Fouch ruined that movie.

Oh. Well, Fouch is retired. That movie just sucked. Jesus, Tony. You're dancing on this guy's retirement announcement. I saw the internet. Well, him and Papa... Seems like Fouch is kind of... He's ready.

Fouch is kind of became... Him and Papa John could go to the Italian island of misfit toys and fucking hang out together. All right. Okay. All right, let's talk about NFL news. Let's talk about NFL news. All right, Diggs just sent news into the group text and with all capital letters,

and we obviously can't talk about that, John. Middle of the show. Middle of the show sends in all capital letters. Look at the way he, look at the text he sends with that. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, we're forced to look at that. Exactly. I mean, how am I supposed to watch a show?

That's a lot. That's a lot. Why can't we talk about that? Can't talk about it. There's no reason to do that because that could all come back around. We've got to remember that. Good, sure. Yeah, yeah.

That's kind of like whenever people were dancing on the COVID grave, hitting Tennessee Titans against Pittsburgh Steelers. Remember that? They're like, oh, these Tennessee Titans aren't taking it serious. These guys are terrible. And then what, two weeks later, boom, this team's got it. Bang, bang, bang. We don't need to do that.

Just know something came out that was very good news for a partner of ours. Let's move along here. Jesse Bates, safety for the Cincinnati Bengals, who I think said hello to the world last season. I don't know how many years. I guess four years he's been in the NFL, maybe longer than that. He's going into a contract here. His contract

was up. He was holding out because the franchise tagged him. He made a lot of plays for that Bengals defense last year. It was noticeable that Jesse Bates was the guy for the Cincinnati Bengals defense. I think numerous times I come into this studio and say, hey, that Bates dude's a fucking guy.

Ballhawk seems to make great plays and instinctually feels like his football IQ's there. And the Cincinnati Bengals, who have an indoor practice facility being built, expansion to their stadium being built, and sponsorship to their stadium being built, running their team like a business for the first time ever in the history of their existence

after their team made it to the Super Bowl. But in doing doing so they had to practice in between lacrosse team practices at the University of Cincinnati in 2022 that was happening yep so the Bengals are becoming this full operation of the 21st century and it's great news for everybody it's great news for the Houdet Nation it's great news for the team it's great news for the team. It's great news for the players, for the coaches, for literally everybody. And Jesse Bates' deal being up and him looking for a new contract might have been one year too early. I think one year from now, they might have a little bit more coin, might have a little bit more money to spend. I assume that's what they're telling him. They franchise tag him. He didn't want to sign it. He wanted long-term. He wanted a little bit of comfort on what his future looked like so he didn't have to jeopardize his future earnings

with every single play, both in practice and in games, which is what the franchise tag is kind of doing if you play in a position that is physically tasking. He ends up getting back in the building, signs a tender. He's back and running. I assume nobody will talk about this until next year whenever he's a free agent again. Yeah, definitely. And what Joe Burrow said about him too,

like you, Antoine Bethea and Deebo were kind of talking about it last week. Like, who he is in the locker room, it sounds like, is even more important. Everybody loves him. Yeah, everyone loves him. And he also, you know, is an absolute dog on the football field. Has started every single game since his rookie year. Where's he from?

Where did he go to school? Wake Forest, I believe. Oh, what's going on? Okay, Damon Deacon. Yeah, he's down there in the woods. He's from Fort Wayne, Indiana. Oh, he's an Indiana guy. No way. I didn't know that. How about that? Hey, dog Deacon. Yeah, he's down there in the woods. He's from Fort Wayne, Indiana. Oh, he's an Indiana guy. No way.

I didn't know that. How about that? Hey, dog. Indiana's got some dogs. Just like Hagerstown, by the way. That's right. Middle League World Series team's taking on the Pennsylvania squad today. Yeah.

Haldysburg, congrats. Have a good one. Never been. Nobody knows. Never been to Hagerstown either. I think it's only a town of like 1,100 people. These kids that are representing Indiana in this Little League World Series, fucking ballplayers. I assume Hagerstown's a farm town? I think,100 people. These kids that are representing Indiana in this little League of Worlds series, fucking ballplayers.

I assume Hagerstown's a farm town? I think so. Beefy sons of bitches. The kids look like it. Yeah, there's some big farm boys out there. They're throwing gas. I don't know who's pitching. The dude's throwing like 73 or 74.

Yeah, 73, 75. MLB equivalent of 100 miles an hour. Hey, this Hagerstown team in Indiana, look out. The boys are swinging bats well, and they got a pitcher. Now, they're big, form boys that you're looking out there, and don't get it twisted. Indiana is not just good at Little League baseball either. We got the Gridiron Gang here too.

Robert Mathis' under-12 tackle football team, going to be the best in the country In like two weeks, three weeks Number nine in the country right now Indiana's fucking cooking right now Everybody needs to be on the lookout Of the Hoosiers playing sports Because they're beating asses

And these Hagerstown kids are doing it on ESPN right now Kids have like travel all-star football now? Yeah, full tackle too By the way, just learned about this yesterday So it's like AAU football Yes How sweet is that? cool bunch of indiana kids i guess they're going out to california next week to play in a tournament and they're like supposed to fucking win and i'm like robert are these indiana kids or are you guys plucking kids he's like all indiana kids i'm like

let's go game changer let's go if robert's teaching these boys fucking pass rush well that's what he said yeah he said I do have guys hitting like chop blocks, spins on these 12-year-old. There's 12-year-old offensive linemen doing a set like this. Stunts. Yeah, I mean, a full thing. Probably playing Allstotts kids' team.

Well, that's the thing. Those are two different styles of football. There's a little bit of a clashing style. Speed off the edge or it's ground and pond. Yeah, careful. If Allstotarts kids want to come mix it up with the Indiana kids, they better strap it up a little bit tighter though. Just because they got

flash off the edge doesn't mean the dogs in the middle aren't hunting. Just like this Hagerstown team. They can pitch, but those metal bats are fucking clanging and banging all the time too. Let's go Hagerstown boys. Not Indiana on the up and up. It does feel like it. Downtown's a shithole still.

Absolutely. Highways are a fucking joke. But they'll be better three, five years. I don't know. Highways aren't his fault. Maybe three, five years. So how come this is, and we got Shams joining us in two minutes, so this is a good two-minute pastime conversation before we have to dive into anything.

I was in Montreal. Yep. Sure. A lot of construction. Sure. Indiana, Indianapolis, A lot of construction. Sure. Indiana? Indianapolis? A lot of construction.

And the French created it. Construction? Construction? I believe so. I believe it's construction. That was Jesus. It was the Romans, yeah. Yeah.

Construction. What else did the Romans do? Please tell us. They were hired to kill Jesus. All right. Yeah, by the Italians. No, no. No, they are the Italians.

The Romans. Don't be a... They're hired by each other. No, I think they were hired. Nonetheless. Italy killed Jesus, god damn it. Paunch's pilot was from a modern day area I believe known as

Jordan. Oh, look at this. Okay. Were you there? Geez Louise. Anyways, why is everybody doing construction now? Did we not have two years of nothing happening where construction could have taken place? That's what I'm wondering.

Because those guys were not out there. I mean, we were coming in every single day. Like, this highway is going to... Impossible. Yeah, and it's going to be under construction for the next ten years. I mean, little pieces are getting done, but we're going to have the same bottleneck that we have every fucking day for the next 10 years like they i mean their little pieces are getting done but like we're gonna have the same bottleneck that we have every fucking day for the next 10 years i'm not sure if you guys are aware but there was a disease that was killing one person per every six countries on the world what disease you're talking about be out there doing construction what are you talking

about now to be clear today is the first day, I think, and Bill might be able to correct me here, YouTube has lifted, okay, the warning that goes on every video in which somebody wearing a cowboy hat normally would say that masks didn't work. I didn't say that.

Well, I mean, this new thing was lifted, I guess, on that. Whatever the case, the opinions of Tony Diggs do not reflect that of his peers or his employer. Right. So do not put that up. We don't need that. But the numbers, we'll look back on the numbers and wonder a lot of things, I will say. But the construction, you're being short-sighted.

You don't understand. Ten years from now, it's going to be so much better. It's going to be... Well, I might not be here in ten years. Yeah, it's going to be euphoria. So fucking get it done next month. It's going to be pure euphoria in ten years from now with how going to be so much better it's going to be uh well i might not be here in 10 years yeah it's gonna be done next month it's gonna be pure euphoria in 10 years from now with how good these highways that's bullshit you know who else is gonna get to enjoy it is the tens of 20s of people that are dying every single day in these crashes on the highways

because it's such a goddamn joke it's a gridlock it's a bottleneck it shouldn't take 45 minutes for us to get home from from the office so it is it is awesome though because the bottleneck. It shouldn't take 45 minutes for us to get home from the office. It shouldn't happen. It is awesome, though, because the bottleneck does cause a lot of traffic. But then the accidents that are happening are also causing traffic. Right. So the bottleneck actually gets bottlenecked. It does.

It's amazing. Bottleneck turns into a gridlock. Yeah. Anyways, why everybody's doing it. I think everybody's under construction right now. Yeah. So I appreciate that everybody's trying to get better. I think there was probably some bill passed, if I had to guess.

That's why everybody's spending money on it. But it has not been enjoyable, I don't think, for travel in any city right now. So we just got to... Hey, we got to grit and bear it for the next generation. You're right. You're right. All right? Be a hero.

You're right. They're going to have to do construction. Like fucking... Jack Carr served this country for 20 fucking years. Thank you, Jack. All right? By the way, I think he's from Canada. So he served our country for 20 fucking years thank you Jack alright by the way I think he's from Canada so he served our country

for 20 he's not from Canada okay so that was a lie immediately upon us going on the air okay can't have that who said that who said that

can't have that he was born in Canada yeah that's what his Wikipedia said so that's not true and Nick is shaking his head no can't have that anyways

this guy served his country for 20 years okay our country we can suck it up for the next decade of just not being able to get anywhere okay And Nick is shaking his head. No, can't have that. Anyways, this guy served his country for 20 years. Okay, our country. We can suck it up for the next decade of just not being able to get anywhere. Okay? I agree. But we should at least fucking get it done for him because he did do it for 20 years.

And guess what? He's not happy about it either. If Jack Carr is sitting in this traffic down here, he is saying, what the fuck did I do 20 years for for this place? Right. Joining us now, the insider for the insiders of the association, a man who has won every trade deadline, every draft night that the NBA has had for like the last three, five years on having scoops and inside information.

He's our go-to whenever we need to know what the fuck's going on in the NBA from the Athletic and the Stadium Network. Ladies and gentlemen, Shams Sharonya. Hey, Shams. What's up, dude? Pat, you know what I want? I want those chicken wings that you were enjoying at the Colts game. That's what I

need. That's what I need. They were delicious at the time. They were breaded and what's it called when it's super moist? Soggy? Soggy. They were breaded and a little soggy. Had a good flavor to them. Not good if they're soggy, though.

I like them crisp. So, actually, now you're just giving me the scouting report. Now I'm just turned off. Shams, I do believe everybody likes them crisp. But the breading was up to my knuckles on that thing. And, you know, it was bad timing, but I had time of my life down there. I had great seats. You know, Jim Urshay quote tweeted it. I paid for them, but

I did have great seats in that place. The boys got to go. The significant others got to go. Sean, we need you to come to a game at some point. We're not going to order those wings ever again, but we'll get you some sort of food in there for sure. At some point, we'll make that happen. Right here. You heard it here on the McAfee show. Okay, Sean!

We got 20 tickets a game or whatever. We'll see if we can go ahead and make sure we get one for you. Let's dive in. Kevin Durant's back with the Brooklyn Nets. The Brooklyn Nets made an official announcement that said the partnership shall continue. Hilarious that they're viewing it as a business relationship. Is that ultimately what happened here in the end?

How did Kevin Durant get back with the Nets? Good graces. And how is Steve Nash, GM, and Kevin Durant now, now that we know publicly that there was an ultimatum made sean i think that's the best way to describe it pat actually a business relationship in terms of like both sides looked around and i wrote a piece yesterday that had all the offers everything laid out all the interest and there was no one that was stepping up to the capacity that the Nets had. The Nets had a crazy asking price. They wanted an all-star. They wanted multiple high-level rotation players.

They wanted all your draft picks. And that asking price just was not met. The Boston Celtics put forth an offer. The Grizzlies made an offer. The Atlanta Hawks made an offer. Every team, Phoenix, Golden State, it goes on and on. Teams called, inquired, but no one was willing to meet that asking price. And from everything I've been told, the outcome of that meeting yesterday between Kevin Durant,

his business manager, Rich Kleiman, everyone from the Nets, Sean Marks, Steve Nash, ownership, they all agreed that it's in everyone's best interest, both sides, to move on. No trade was happening. It was clear. And so for Kevin Durant if you really wanted to get out of Brooklyn this was gonna get even uglier it you had training camp coming up in one month and that was really gonna be the point Kevin Durant was gonna have to decide do I show up to camp do I show up disgruntled or do I

just hold out and before even got to that Kevin Durant met and decided that he was going to stay a Brooklyn net. I think both sides looked around from everything I've been told, and the outcome of that meeting was this is in everyone's best interest. And being a net gives Kevin Durant the best opportunity to win a championship. I think when he looked around, the Celtics, the Heat, the Suns, all these teams would have had to gut their roster to go get KD. And I believe he looked at it and said, this is the only route that I have, the route of beast resistance.

And I do believe that feelings were aired out in that meeting yesterday. I don't know exactly how long that meeting went, but anytime you have a meeting with all those stakeholders, and this is the first time they met since the Nets regular season and season ended on April 23rd. stakeholders and this is the first time they met since the Nets regular season or regular season and season ended on April 23rd this meeting probably should have happened months ago guys like this should have happened right after the season when you know Kevin Durant was displeased with how the year went uh there were a lot of issues underlying concerns that happened after

you finished that year this meeting should have happened then it takes two and a half months to happen and I guess better late than never. Hold on. So that meeting that happened at Travis Scott's concert, that was probably the thing that kind of set this whole thing up? And where did this one happen at? At the Nets building, or was it somewhere cool like the Hamptons or something like that? So the meeting with Joe Sy that happened in London, I don't believe it was at –

I don't know if it was at Travis Scott's concert. It could have been. I don't know where it was at. It was in London. It was at the OT Arena. He did the OT Arena. It was a hell of a show. Remember him and James Harden?

Yeah, popping bottles. Yeah, good time. That's probably where it happened. I will say this, Pat. I believe in life you have to go through hard conversations, and I think that the elephant in the room was that it's clear both sides there was some level of friction going on once the season ended and everything needed to be aired out kevin durant went and met with joe sai aired out his feelings

his grievances um toward in that situation the gm and the head coach but those feelings are ones that you have to direct at those people and feelings that you have to make sure that you have a conversation. And finally, they were able to have this conversation yesterday in Los Angeles where they were able to air everything out. And once you air all that out, every side needs to move on and needs to be better. Steve Nash needs to be a better coach. Sean Martin needs to be better at his job. Kevin Durant needs to be better be better at his job everyone in that room I believe the only way you move forward in a better positive way that's how life goes you need to all get get on the same page air out your feelings be able to speak and have those kinds of conversations and to my knowledge that those conversations

finally were had yesterday in LA okay so obviously theets are happy. Kevin Durant is happy with this. Yes. You think? I mean, listen, he asked for a trade in a, in a, in a, in a perfect world. He would have been traded. The world is not perfect. Life isn't perfect. And at the end of the day, he had four years, Pat, and almost $200 million left on, on his contract. If you're going to be traded, having four years and that amount of money on your deal is not going to give you much leverage to get traded. And so I do believe a part of this was Kevin Durant realizing that there was not a deal to be had out there. The asking price was just so sky high that a deal was really... Shams, Shams, the Nets control what the asking price is, right? I mean...

100%. And they, I mean, listen, purposefully or not, they set that asking price like to the moon. Yes. They did not want to, they didn't want anybody to meet their demands. This is like when somebody makes me an offer to do something and they know I'm not going to take it. It's like, hey, we just want to let you know we did make an offer and we do appreciate you. But you'll end up losing $700,000 a year if you end up taking this deal it's like okay i get what we're doing here i appreciate you let's move on is that what the nets were doing they were never planning on moving on they're making me that's why they made the asking price so absurd do you think i do believe that teams around the league that

discuss deals with the nets came away at least in the last few days in the last few weeks believing that they don't really have much interest in dealing kevin durant unless the asking prices so kevin could have went in there pissed off with rich climbing then like you guys are making this almost impossible so there has to be some sort of good vibes if they went in there were like okay you guys have made it impossible for me to get traded i want to be traded i would like to hear how things are going that is an interesting like you know psychological dilemma there on how it's going to pan out if they start losing again you know and and that's one thing to keep an eye on is if this team loses this upcoming year isn't playing up to standard what happens with kevin durant then what happens with with this entire

roster then but i think you know you look at the statement that the nets put out and everything that transpired after the meeting i do believe the interest is genuine right now in running this back at least for one more year and seeing how this team plays i i don't think anyone i don't think the nets would ever come out and admit like this is the year this is where everything is is dependent on but if this team doesn't play up to capacity and standards what happens i think that's a fair question to ask only time will tell um but yeah you're right this meeting could have gone a couple different ways this could have been kendra putting his foot down even more but i think the more he looked at the situation and the scenarios that were on the board the celtics and the raptors all these teams would have had to come up so much pat

to get a deal done it almost would have been impossible yeah they're so they're making an impossible ask which i think in the end ends up working out for them i'm happy to see that the owner sigh right yeah sigh he was like hey listen let's figure this out we can get him back on our side we talked before the travis scott thing he said this at the travis scott thing never done you know might have been hey they might have had intermission you know never know so you do know then that's what it sounds like so it did happen yeah wow thank you

Shams alludes to first meeting between Nets owner and Kevin Durant happening you think was James Harden in that meeting or did he say oh yeah he said no that would have been hilarious so James Harden in that meeting with Josiah after asking out of Brooklyn and leaving Brooklyn. Yeah, that would have been hilarious.

Well, you think he's just hanging out outside the room? Yeah, I don't think so. It seems like they're in there. Anyways, congrats to all parties moving on. Bygones be bygones. Hope they win. The boys have a couple questions for you. Is that okay, Shams?

I know you've got to be out of here in like a minute or so. Let's do it. Hey, who are the Angel Naruto runners over your both shoulders there? Those are like, I don't know. These are like Telly Awards. You ever heard of Telly Awards? Naruto, dude. No.

Look it up, I guess. Hey, congrats. Wow. Two-time Telly winner. Two-time. Hey, these guys won two Tellys. I'll take it. Does anyone know about Telly Awards?

Hey, put on the Telly. Is that UK Awards? This guy won a telly. Is this on your coverage of Boa? No, no, no. I think it was one of my AT&T one of the AT&T things. The telly awards.

Winners announce a winner's gallery. I'm learning something right now. This is awesome. Did you have to give a speech for this or no? Shout out to Stadium on the Telly Awards. Yeah, shout out. Get to the Telly Awards. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Sean, it feels like the biggest loser of this entire thing is the Lakers because they're not going to get Kyrie Irving now. Are they just going to run it back with Russ, or are they going to try and move him and add another piece? Yeah, so we've talked about it. Now, if you go on YouTube and you search up our coverage on the PMS show, or PMS, I guess, of Kyrie Irving and the Lakers, we told you a month ago that it was not going to happen.

And so it's not happening. All you have to do is watch PMS to know that. But I think as of right now, the Lakers are open to anything that will make their team better. And so if there's a deal out there, they can go get multiple different players that makes the team better. You know, I would keep an eye on Patrick Beverly, Boyan Bogdanovich in Utah. Bogdan Bogdanovich? That'd be a get.

Those are the types of guys that if you can go get two, three rotation players, plug onto your team, kind of get better with the sum of parts, I think those are the types of moves I think you're going to see the Lakers try to make. I don't think that they're done necessarily. I think they're going to still try to get this team better. But, yes, Kyrie Irving to the Lakers for now is not a thing. For now? For now. You never know. For now? For now. You never know what happens in season, Pat.

What I've learned in the NBA, we saw what happened today. Things are always fluid. You never know what happens next summer. But right now, Kyrie Irving is a net. Kevin Durant's a net. Ben Simmons is a net. Joe Harris is a net. And they're going to run that thing back.

And that's why you get Naruto tellies all the time because of how great you are. We appreciate you so much, Shams. Last question from me before we let you go. Zion. Zion playing. We're doing well. We're playing basketball. I saw something about the Zion 2s coming out. I mean, shout out to the Zion 2s, but

he will be playing. Pat, you know what I'm interested in? What? The Nets open the season at Barclays Center against the Pelicans on October 19th. Zion's coming from the fucking foul line, dude. But that is not a national TV game. It's interesting. What's wrong with your league? The Nets have no national TV games on opening week of the NBA season.

I don't know. Was it the schedule makers preparing for Kevin Durant to be traded? Now Kevin Durant's back. Does that game? I'm just saying. I think we can start that push on the show. Yeah. Pelicans, Nets, National TV, October 19th.

Need it. Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, Steve Nash, Ben Simmons. Yeah. Taking on Zion, CJ, and the boys. Yeah, Brendan Ingram. Here's the Zion twos, and the boys. Yeah, Brendan Ingram. Here's the Zion 2s, by the way. Oh! Give me 10 of them!

I know that will be on display at your guys' studio soon. Yeah, absolutely. So I can't wait to see them. You know, in the past, they have sent me the Zions. Yeah, sure. Those first ones.

I've gotten off the list, I guess. I'll still buy them. They know I'm a war card. Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen. Sean Strana, congrats, buddy. Yeah, sure. Those first ones were sweet. I've gotten off the list, I guess. I'll still buy them. They know. I'm a war card. Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen. Sean Perroni. Congrats, buddy. Yeah, Sean. Football.

There it is. Here we go. The talks. That's the right one. By the way, that's the right answer. Talks tables here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. That was a little inside housekeeping there in the middle of the thing. One half of the hammer.

Dodd. Cowboys. Tony Diggs is here. And joining us live from Manatee, Ohio, is a man who's a college football national champion, in the middle of the thing. One half of the hammer died. Cowboys tone digs this year. And joining us live from Manatee, Ohio, is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup champion, and a COVID survivor.

Yeah. Multiple times. We do. What problem for that? Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, the face of Ohio, A.J. Hall. Hey, A.J. A.J.

A.J. What's up? I see a couple books out there. AJ! AJ! AJ! What's up? I see a couple books out there. Boom! We're talking to Jack Carr, author of this book right here. That's Chris Pratt, okay? And this is obviously not Jack Carr, but boom!

Jack Carr, 20-year Navy SEAL, author, badass, founder of the Terminal List series. He's going to be on the show in about 10 minutes. AJ, you fucking jacked up, pumped up, or what, dude? Yeah, I am, and I saw what they're picked up for season two. What book is it going to be? I think the second one. Not in the blood? In the blood or Devil's Hand, maybe Savage Son. In the fifth one, I believe.

True belief. I believe. Good trigger discipline. Thank you. And then turn this home bitch sideways. Turn this home bitch sideways. Around the corner. Around the corner.

Clear the room. You see what I'm doing, AJ? I can Around the corner. Clear the room. You see what I'm doing, AJ? I can hear the BBs rattling around there. I know, those are bullets. Those are 50, Kyle. These are one of those ones that you leave at the top of the mountain when there's a bunch of fucking feds, jabronis chasing you around and you're fucking James Reese, dude.

And then they get to the top, Nate Boyer, former Army guy himself, and then somebody goes, what is that all about? He fucking could have killed us. That's what's in here. That's what's in here, pal. Alright? Thank you for clearing that up. No problem. I'm talking to this guy. Boom! Jack Carr. Here in about 10 minutes, AJ. I am excited about it, dude.

I mean, I'm fucking coming around the corner. You know what I mean? I mean, this has got to be the first time someone's on that has written a book or they're in a movie that you've actually read or you've seen the show. Bingo! Thank you, AJ. AJ gets it. Yes, normally I'm going in blind.

I've got to go off of everybody else's reactions to it. You know what I mean? Which is kind of what I did my entire life. Hey, we've got a book report due. Sweet. I'm going to go ask some people their thoughts. Bam, let me put those all together. And now I'm going to be the first one to answer the question for the first question, and then I'm going to move on.

I'm just going to kind of, you know, gimmick this entire thing. And it worked all the way through college. Shout out to West Virginia being the Harvard of West Virginia, me being able to accomplish that as a college-educated person. Now, The Terminalist, I watched that son of a bitch all the way through. I should have read the book because they always say the book is better. And I'd assume the ending of this book is better than the ending of The Terminalist series.

But that is something else we're going to have to ask them about, AJ. How are you going to talk to them and not give away any spoilers? I know you don't like to do that. People have had enough time. They've had enough time. Yeah, you could have watched this. You could have watched it. I agree.

I think there's always time. I think spoilers, it doesn't matter if you give it away. They could have been downrange for weeks now. I'm also going to ask Lieutenant Commander jack carr if my gun discipline is you know what i mean if it's pretty good if i was to come around there's a little movement you look just like uh just like old buddy in the show commander you talk about lieutenant commander Clear Clear Thank you I can't wait dude

We gotta ask about Taylor Kitsch Taylor Kitsch is so awesome In everything he does Alright so I obviously Don't know who that is Tim Riggins His brother

Brother Long hair Picks him up in his jeep Oh he's a sack of shit Yeah He is a sack Of Shit

That guy No spoilers Sack of shit Right? is a sack of shit, that guy. No spoilers, sack of shit. Right? That's the guy? He's not a sack of shit the first seven episodes. No spoilers. You guys bad guy. Anyways.

Boom! Jack Carr's on the show, 10 minutes. What do we do? Let's get to a break. How am I supposed to wait? How am I supposed to wait for this good question what am i supposed to do what time is it coming on to go for until the end of the hour got an operator coming on dude yeah is he commander lieutenant commander okay i know james reese was i know 20 years in the navy dude how's he not a fucking admiral how's he not the president what's the deal isn't that he doesn't want to be 20iral? How's he not the president? What's the deal? Isn't that how it works? You're a 20-year Navy SEAL. You're just a fucking president now?

He's an operator. He wants to operate. He doesn't want to be pushing pencils around a desk. He doesn't want to be pushing pencils around a desk. Yeah, he's an operator. He wants to operate.

This man was born to be in the field. He wanted to get out so he could tell us. I was listening to the book alongside Bill yesterday and the person that was... Bill, who was reading the goddamn book?

What's his name? Legend? Roy Carpenter? Ray Porter. Ray Porter, of Legend? Roy Carpenter? Ray Porter. Ray Porter, of course. Roy Carpenter. Ray Porter was reading the book, the audio version of one of these books. I don't know which one me and Bill were on yesterday, but one of the five.

Bill, by the way, Bill's going to shit his pants when Lieutenant Commander Jack Clark pops up on the screen today. Yeah. We're talking about 6 to midnight pal anytime this conversation comes up all of his knowledge about killing people and how things go has really it's been his super bowl this morning i've been going right the bill for all the information i need for this conversation and he's been a never-ending supply of info on old buddy who goes into i guess he goes into the mountains to write these books just kind of disappears then he comes back out of there with a boom. Here's another $100 million operation.

I mean, the guy is, and Bill knows him inside out. I don't know if Lieutenant Commander Jack Carr knows this. We got a guy on staff here who's been studying him more than he was studying old asshole in terminal list. Bill's doing Jack Carr's tactics against Jack Carr right now from afar. And I'm going to ask Bill, or ask Jack, if he's a little bit worried about that potential thing. No need to worry.

Bill, by the way, is my fantasy football teammate, I know. So Bill is locked in. So I'm excited that Bill has a day like this because we've talked strategy a little bit. It's going to be a fun season. Well, I did hear about an interaction you guys had, and I think it was how your conversation ended, where you said, Bill, I feel like we got good instincts

and he responded, killer instincts, and you didn't respond. And I think that was a setup by you for him to say that. He passed the test and you didn't even give him a follow-up at all. You guys, bad team chemistry? Me and CFO Phil have already been going through game plans for Fantasy Football about it. Already going through it.

Have you? Next week we announce the draft order correct absolute of course week after is the actual job yeah me and phil talk about all the time we're like hey what are we gonna do with our team two kickers yeah game changer whole thing should be a bunch of bangles guy i'll take him as a kicker evan mcpherson you have to draft him early by the way because the fucking pain train me and phil coming to trying to draft them all early in the two-kicker setup. Let's talk about some things.

The Arizona Cardinals are traveling to the Tennessee Titans tomorrow for a joint practice. They don't play until Saturday. Mike Vrabel is on the record as saying they'll only have one joint practice together, so I assume they'll be practicing on different fields. Is that because Vrabel doesn't want his guys just to fight every fucking day leading up to this third preseason game? Is that what you think?

Probably. I mean, it does feel late in camp to be doing an inter-squad practice like this. But, yeah, maybe they probably know, like, hey, late in camp, these guys are sick of it. One day is probably plenty of work that they need. It would turn into probably just a full-blown, they'd have to cancel practice most likely. The guys would just fight and get out of there. Well, Vrabel might fight Cliff Kingsbury, too.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Vrabel might. I mean, Vrabel's going to take out anybody in his path get out of there. Well, Vrabel might fight Cliff Kingsbury, too. Yeah. You know what I mean? Vrabel might. I mean, Vrabel's going to take out anybody in his path, I'm guessing. Yeah. Hey, pretty boy. Little bitch. What are you doing?

Why are you guys running that? Why are you guys running that? That would be so funny if Vrabel's just – if there's a picture of Vrabel's with his left mitt around Cliff Kingsbury's neck. Yeah. At these training camp recs. You know, Cliff's scrappy.

He's a Texas boy. Oh, yeah. Dad was a Marine. Ooh! Raw! Cliff Scrappy, he's a Texas boy. Dad was a Marine. I'm sure even though he's a quarterback, he'd definitely put up a fight, but I would like to see how Vrabel interacts with all these coaches from other teams. 12 teams practicing together this week. There were 16 practicing together last week.

That's so many. AJ, my immediate response was, that's late. Everybody's going to be dead tired at this point. This weekend, though, allegedly, we're going to see more team starters, more players of significance because it's the third and final preseason game. But there's going to be some teams in there that aren't playing anybody just like they have been the last two weeks, and we've got to find those whenever we're betting on these games.

Did you watch the game last night? Falcons started out looking good. They were playing against the Jets twos and threes, but it seemed like they had some things together. stravolski straveler comes back wins them the game in the end did we learn anything from that and did you enjoy that game last night i mean i don't like like i said before i think yesterday you can kind of see what the quarterbacks looked like i felt like mariotto looked good he looked like he was in control and i saw arthur smith had some good things to say about him that's all you can really tell ritter ritter looks good

he's athletic and the jets i have no clue all you can really tell. Ritter looks good. He's athletic. And the Jets, I have no clue what they are, really. Okay. The Jets. Good interview by Flacco, though, talking about their offense and how they've simplified it a little bit and how he likes it. Joe Flacco's hair was talked about in hour one on this show. He, Gordon Hayward, and Andy Dalton have had quite a come-up finding a barber, I believe.

Did you find that to be the exact uh truth as well hey look joe looked like hey he is this is like an established vet like there's an adult in the room when you see joe don't you think oh because he's got gray hair so you're making no he looks joe's like six foot eight he's a lot taller than people at the same time and he can move and he can move that was a pretty ball uh jesse bates has officially signed his franchise tag as soon as he came back into the building, ending his holdout. He could do a holdout because he wasn't technically under contract, so it was not costing him any money.

If he had signed the franchise tag and held out, they would have been able to find him. He did not sign the franchise tag, so he's kind of in purgatory. He was not a free agent. He was not able to go anywhere else. He could only go back to the Bengals, and the negotiating time frame had already passed. So he's definitely going to be on the franchise tag for this season.

He's a guy they need over there. I'm sure they're pumped to have him back. He missed some time. Should we be worried about that? What do you think the future looks like, AJ? No, I think he just added some longevity to his career by missing the first three, four weeks of banging with the Guardian caps. Now, okay, he comes back, and I don't want to bring everything back to the Guardian caps. Does he have to wear one for like a week?

Yeah, does he have to get baptized in the Guardian era because he chose to miss the first three weeks? I mean, maybe. We'll see. Maybe that's why we have all these joint practices right now because this is the first time they take the Guardian caps off, so Motor City Dan Campbell can actually hear those helmets popping a little bit. Okay, Motor City Dan Campbell, episode three of of hard knocks debuts this evening on hbo 10 p.m eastern standard time we've we have complained publicly and privately yes about the case your

case is well known yes to both the nfl films people who we love we love them love them okay the hard knocks crew we fucking love them they're talking like 500 hours or 200 hours of footage that they have to comb through it is miserable foxy gets two hours of footage it's a nightmare putting something together so the 200 hours 500 hours we appreciate how hard their job is we appreciate our partnership with nfl films if i don't see 42 minutes of fucking MCDC tonight, AJ, it's going to be hard for me not to complain. Don't you think, AJ? And what should we expect out of this?

We got a win against the Colts, joint practice where they did not do great day one, did great day two. I think there's going to be a lot of seeing how a team gets built behind the scenes in this particular episode. Like, for real though, not just us talking shit. I think there's going to be a lot of real moments in how a team comes together in this particular episode tonight, AJ. so i think maybe they'll show a little

bit more of their like team staff meetings it's always interesting to me when we see all the coaches together in those staff meetings as players those like okay what what is going on in those rooms what are the coaches actually saying about me what is my coach standing up for me i think it's cool to see clips of that when they're in those big staff meetings but you'll probably be disappointed, man. They're not going to show 42 minutes of Dan Campbell. What's your deal? They're going to show a lot of them, but they're going to show some backstories.

There's going to be some people you don't really know that they're going to highlight a little bit. It's going to be a cool, feel-good story. David Blau should get a little bit. I mean, he kind of got buried in the last episode and nobody asked for it. Now he had to start this one. Well, they can't start it with maybe like have a little start it with him, you with him playing well and winning now. Redemption from last week.

And he did play great football, by the way. He played great football against Colts in the game, against our four stringers. Still. Nobody's judging. Nobody's saying anything. He's doing what he's doing. He did great.

David Blount. He's Thanksgiving hero, David Blount. Did you hear about them having a players-led practice alongside Dan Campbell? He was the only coach out there. And do you think that's just gimmick for hard knocks no i don't i don't know anything about that how did it go it was allegedly announced yesterday that's cold or the lions just went through an entire player-led practice no coaches were out on the field besides dan campbell he quietly observed taylor decker says it was a unique practice and he's never

experienced one like it before that was via via Danny at DannyRogers underscore, who I believe works for the Detroit Lions. So this is probably some ownership of the team. Hey, we need you guys to take ownership, go through the practice. I like that the ex-players are like, y'all motherfuckers figure it out. If you guys are so smart, go ahead and do it. If they go through it and there isn't a bunch of mistakes, it's great, and I assume we're going to see this on Hard Knocks, AJ.

This will definitely be a highlight of Hard Knocks, I would imagine, because it's so unique, right? I mean, it's – yeah, I don't know. They weren't wearing pads. It would be interesting to see players wearing pads running their own practice. Well, Aiden Hutchinson's leading that defense. Is that what's going on? Oh, yeah.

Him or Rodriguez, who's with the first string now, I believe. Hey, he's a dump truck, Rodriguez. Yeah. Hey, he brings the thud Rodriguez. Now, I do believe play action might get him. He's a little bit undersized, so it's going to be hard for him to see if things are happening. But you can find a place on a team for a guy like Rodriguez.

Hell yeah. Speaking of finding a place on a team for a guy, ladies and gentlemen, it is time. This is a massive moment Because AJ alluded to earlier This is the first time I'm getting a chance to chat With an author of a book That I actually got to experience

A lot of people come on this show Pitching a bunch of different shit I'm sure it's all great I ain't read a single page of any of them I ain't never seen a single movie or show of any of them This particular author This particular American badass I ain't read a single page of any of them. I ain't never seen a single movie or show of any of them. This particular author, this particular American badass is one that provided great entertainment not only for me but for millions and millions of people worldwide with the hit series Terminalist on Amazon. He's an author of five books. I'm not sure if there's another one on the way, but we can fucking hope.

on Amazon. He's an author of five books. I'm not sure if there's another one on the way, but we can fucking hope. 20 years as a Navy SEAL, an absolute stallion of life. Ladies and gentlemen, Lieutenant Commander Jack Carr. What's up, dude? How's it going? How are you guys? Hey, fucking good, dude. Boom! We're talking to you, man. I am so thankful you're here. I'm so fired up. I'm fired up. I heard someone just told me, they texted me, and they said that you are an avid reader.

So I was so excited to come on and talk to you. Jack, listen, I don't want to disrespect you here early because I have seen and heard about what you have done to others that have done as such. I've never read a book in my life. I read that your mother was a librarian. Do you think that's why you got so into books? Because normally the super creative types aren't the type that can get through buds and maintain a 20-year.

You're kind of an anomaly, don't you think? And do you think it's because of your mother's love of reading and such whenever you were a kid? Oh, yeah. We grew up surrounded by books and a love of reading. So it was as natural as sitting down for dinner or going out to exercise or whatever else. Reading was just a natural part of our lives. When I got to about 10 years old, that's when I started to read the things my parents were reading, which at the time, that's when Hunt for Red October came out. Then I started reading all the David Morrell, Nelson DeMille, A.J. Quenelle, J.C. Pollock, Mark Olden, Stephen Hunter, all these guys that were the masters of the thriller genre.

I knew I wanted to be a SEAL one day. And back in the 80s, there wasn't much you could read on special operations. You could read it like an hour at the library. But then these books, they had protagonists, they had main characters that had that background as Marine snipers, Army Special Forces, Navy SEALs, CIA, paramilitary. So I thought, hey, these authors, these guys like Tom Clancy must have done their research. So I'm going to get a little information from these books. Then I just fell in love with them and knew that after my time in the military, I'd write thrillers.

That was the path, but it all stemmed from that foundation of reading, of that love of reading. Pretty good journey, Jack. I think you did okay, pal. All right, boom! This thing's a fucking great book, as is the entire series. Go ahead, AJ. How did the whole process come about of

the show happening especially with chris pratt i know you have a relationship with that guy taylor kitch everybody in the show is unbelievable it casted very very well like but you and chris pratt i know you guys have a special bond it seems like yeah yeah he's great so i uh as i was writing i sat down to write this thing and being a child of the 80s it's very natural just to pick your actor pick your director as you sit down to write. And no one knows who you are. You haven't sold one book. That just seemed very natural to me.

So I had just seen this guy, Chris Pratt, play a character in Zero Dark Thirty. Very small role in the movie about the hunt for Bin Laden. And he played a Navy SEAL. And he was also in this show called Parks and Rec where he was kind of like an overweight, you know, funny guy. And I saw that transformation. I saw that transformation of him from this kind of fat comic guy into this operator, and he was inherently likable. You just liked this guy. So as I'm typing away, I think he will play my main character, James Reese. And Chris hadn't been in Guardians of the Galaxy, had not been in

Avengers, had not been in Jurassic World. So he had not had that rise to A-list prominence yet, but he's the guy that I wanted. And I also wanted Antoine Foucault to direct. I loved Training Day and Tears of the Sun and all that, and so I thought this is the perfect guy to direct. And now we have Chris and Antoine as executive producers along with me. But the way Chris got the book is a buddy called me out of the blue in November of 2017, and I hadn't talked to him in five years, buddy from the SEAL teams.

And he first asked if I remembered him, which I did. And then he said, hey, do you remember what you did for me in the SEAL teams? And I did not. And he said, hey, you're the only person that as I was getting out, you sat me down in your office, talked to me about transitioning to the private sector. You introduced me to people in the private sector and you followed up with me to see how things were going. I've never forgotten it.

I always wanted to thank you. And that guy said, no problem. How's it going? And he said, it's going great, but I heard you wrote a book. And I said, yeah, it's coming out in about five months. I can send you a rough draft though, if you'd like to see it. And he said, yeah, but I'd like to give it to a friend of mine. I think my best friend would like to read it. And I said, who's that? And he said, Chris Pratt. And I thought, well, that's convenient because as I wrote this thing, I had him in mind. So Jared gave it to Chris. Chris read it in December of 2017 and called the first week in January of 2018 to option it.

And then off we went to the races. Everything you've been through, you believe the universe put that together there? Well, I don't know. I mean, it's kind of like I didn't expect anything back from Jared. I didn't even remember doing it, introducing him to people in the private sector and following up with him and to see how things were going for him and then uh but he never forgot about it and then years later he found out i was writing this book and and saw an opportunity to to help me out as well but he read it first to make sure it wasn't absolute garbage like he read it first before he gave it to chris and uh and then he so he gave it the uh the approval and then gave it to chris and uh now jared's also he plays

boozer in the show so he's that that character boozer he's a producer and a technical advisor on it as well so he was there every day on set as was max adams who's an army ranger and then my buddy ray mendoza of war office productions those three guys were on there every day on set to make sure it didn't get to hollywood uh that's okay so that's what i was about to say getting to hollywood so you have your hands on with the prime thing i assume that was just a part of the deal that you made with them. I would like to be a part of it. Like, um,

whenever lone survivor came out, he was there, right? Every single day. I think while they were filming that with Mark Wahlberg to try to make it as realistic as possible, because I do feel like you guys have an innate hatred for Hollywood and bullshit.

So how much of that of your time is taken to like editing things out, cutting through stuff? And how hands on are you with the whole process for Prime? Yeah, well, usually they like to get rid of the author right away because they don't want the author on set saying, you ruined my vision. You know, that sort of a thing. So usually they just give you a little bit of money and then sideline you. But because it was Chris and we got to know each other over the last couple of years before we started filming, because it was Antoine and we got to know each other. They want to be involved in that process. So they put me together with a guy called the showrunner who in a certain series television with multiple

directors is like the main point of contact. And we got together and we started writing this initial script. And so I got to be involved with every part of the process, pre-production, production, post-production. But it was really those guys I mentioned before that were there every day because I had to come back here to Park City, Utah, write-production. But it was really those guys I mentioned before that were there every day. Because I had to come back here to Park City, Utah, write my fifth novel. I'm writing the sixth one right now. So I had to do those sorts of things where those guys were on set every day. And because of those friendships and then because of the trust that Antoine and Chris

and the showrunner had with those guys with military experience, that's pretty unusual. And I had multiple people come up to me on set and say they've been a part of hundreds of Hollywood productions. They've never felt this way on a set. They've never seen this level of trust between these senior level executives and technical advisors. And they just thought this was a special thing to be a part of. And they didn't have to come up and tell me that, but so many people did. And you could sense it. You could sense that there was something special going on that wasn't quite what people normally experience in Hollywood. Yeah, smashing success by all accounts.

Everybody that's ever watched it says, damn, this is unbelievable. I assume it's helped the book sales as well. I would also like to add in, you helped Chris Pratt out immensely as well. Because my introduction to him, I had not seen Parks and Rec, even though it was filmed here in Indianapolis. I was not a watcher of that or anything else that you chatted about. I was introduced to him in Jurassic World Dominion. I'll tell you what, that movie was terrible. I actually said,

how is this Chris Pratt guy the guy? Because I was sitting next to him at a UFC fight, and all my guys were like, hey, Chris Pratt is the guy. He's the guy. I'm like, I just saw him in Jurassic World Dominion. This guy ain't a guy. I don't know what you're talking about. Then I see him in Terminalist, and I'm like, I want Chris Pratt in everything. Like, literally, like, the entire turn of Chris Pratt in my mind, and I would assume not everybody else.

I'm an absolute doofus, but I love him in there, and I like the fact that you said you were writing for him. It's like a match made in heaven. Now, how much of an onus do you think you put on yourself to showcase what life is like with PTSD? Because I think it's been chatted about, right? I think it's been something that's been talked about. It's been a big time political talking point. It's been a TV talking point. Everybody, oh, we got to take care of these guys.

PTSD is a real thing. But we never really get to experience it in any other way other than, I think, just hearing about it. Terminalists, I think, showcase what some guys fucking go through right and when you're drawing from people's experiences and writing this character is there truth in that or are you just trying to put things together because i think it was very important to society to showcase that as well jack i appreciate it yeah i was trying to do it in a way that made sense for the for the story so uh, people's experience with these different, uh, uh, issues comes through Hollywood, comes through fiction, comes through these different, uh, let's say commercial avenues. Uh, and that's what they, that's how they experience. Maybe

they hear about it on the news here and there, but when you have it in a story and it connects it to someone that now you're connecting with as a reader or as a viewer, then it humanizes it a little bit. So the story isn't only about post-traumatic stress, but it is certainly a large element of it and drives that plot forward. And the people in it are experiencing some of that. Obviously, in the show, we're showing that visually through Chris's memory that he can't quite trust and can't quite put together through this conflation. So I thought that was something that drives the novel forward. And obviously, I have, and most people who have went downrange over the last 20 years, have personal experience with post-traumatic stress or those dealing with it

and maybe dealing with it in not the healthiest of ways, maybe getting just pills from the VA, dealing with getting Ambien, drinking. Then you have marital problems. Maybe you have to come up with some drugs to that. Sleep issues, the trauma of the battlefield, the physical trauma of the battlefield as well, not just the emotional. And they're dealing with all of that as they're trying to transition out of a profession that they've been part of for 5, 10, 15, 20 years, and now try to recreate themselves in the private sector. All that stuff doesn't really lend itself to a successful

transition unless you really take a breath and figure things out and make some conscious decisions to deal with these issues. So it is a big part of the show. It's a big part of the books. And it's a big part of our society right now with so many guys dealing with it who went down range over the last 20 years. I think it's going to enact some real change, honestly, because I think a lot of people are getting like, oh, shit, this is what they're talking about whenever I hear it or somebody's chatting about it because there's ripple effects. It's obviously not just the person that served.

It's the family. It's everything. And before AJ asks his question, downrange, has this always been a term? Because I'll tell you what, it's hard not to drop it in every time. Like today we're saying we're going downrange a jack order today. Has that been an insider? is that what the seals have always called it just assumes like that's battle time or are we just interested did you create this how do

we i didn't create it no i didn't create it you say downrange were you on a shooting range even like that even at that level hey going downrange so nobody shoots as you walk forward to the line to check your targets and that sort of a thing. But on deployment, downrange also means going to Iraq or Afghanistan or Somalia or something like that. So it's just one of those terms that you throw in there that's kind of – I guess it's a little insider. I guess it's a little bit of insider. But, you know, when you mentioned the book sales earlier for this one right here, I was on an interview with Chris not too long ago, and I had to tell him, like, we changed this cover for you man and and you know

what it didn't really help sales it's not it's not doing it's not doing much so so we had we had to reprint it and we had to we had to do this um and so that's Taylor Kitsch right there so we printed a bunch of these titles and I put them on a I put them on a book right here and it says now an original series starring Taylor Kitsch on Prime Video. So we had a bunch of these made, so I'm going to have Taylor and Chris and I will sign it. We'll auction them for charity or something at some point. Hell yeah, that's awesome. Go ahead, AJ.

You mentioned you're in the process of writing your sixth right now. What is that process like, and is it different now than it was, say, for your first one? No, it's all been the same for whatever reason. I didn't read too many how-to books on writing. I read On Writing by Stephen King, The Successful Novelist by David Morrell, a couple books like that. But you can spend today, I think, an inordinate amount of time researching how to do something. And it's almost an excuse not to actually do it. Eventually, you have to commit and you have to do it. So there are a couple of these books that I read.

Most of them were autobiographical, almost, about these other authors. But then I dove right in because I had this foundation already built. And for me, it just made sense to start with a title. The title jumped right out at me for this first one in particular. A theme, Revenge Without Constraint. A one-page executive summary, kind of like you'd read on the inside flap of a book Oh, I've read a bunch of those. I've read. Yeah, I have read a bunch of that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah, you're right in you know, you don't want to you know, I think you're 35

So you don't want to you want to ease into these things? So just take it, you know Yeah, yeah, just keep stick with the flaps for for now. Hey 40th birthday. I'm fucking turning a page Jack I like it. I like it. Awesome. I'm fucking turning a page, Jack. Nice. I like it. I like it. Awesome. I'm going to do what I can. I'm going to do what I can for that transition.

But yeah, I write that one page executive summary. And today when I do that, then I ask myself the question, hey, if someone was to read this, was to read this one page executive summary, this couple of paragraphs, would that be enough for them to want to commit six, seven, eight, nine, 10 hours, 15 hours, however long it's going to take them of their life that they're never going to get back to reading this. And then I read it. And if the answer is yes, then I read it again. And I say, is this one page executive summary? Is this enough for me to want to spend two years, essentially year and a half of my life committed to? And if the both of those answers are yes, then boom, I'm all in. And I take

that couple of paragraphs, turn that into an outline. And then I take that outline and start turning that into the narrative. So right now on book six, I'm on the, uh, the narrative portion right now, turning that out, outlining the book six, which comes out next spring. Well, can't wait to read it. Well, you know, the book, the jacket. Yeah. Yeah. The exact, yeah. The whole thing. I see a little Horse Soldier bourbon behind you. Shout out to the absolute stallions, green berets that were on horseback going through Afghanistan, I do believe. Absolutely. The first into Afghanistan after 9-11, Scotty Neal and Mark Dutch.

Then came back and eventually started Horse Soldier. What awesome guys. I had them on my podcast, heard their story and just uh solid guys danger close podcast also uh obviously number one new york times bestseller with the terminal list we're talking to lieutenant commander jack hey this is delicious and like 100 proof i think oh yeah gets the job done diesel it's serious those guys aren't messing around over there no no you do boozing you smoke you do any ayahuasca anything like that no mostly cigars cigars uh and uh and whiskey i'm sticking to that for now but you know who knows i'm not not against it in the future but that's uh that's where i am right now i gotta it's my fuel essentially my fuel for writing the books is the is is that and hooten young and a couple

other bottles i have over here have you dabbled in anything like uh like those extreme ptsd measures have you experienced that yourself after 20 years i assume you've seen some shit especially Have you dabbled in anything like those extreme PTSD measures? Have you experienced that yourself after 20 years? I assume you've seen some shit, especially as a connoisseur of sharp objects. More specifically, the Winkler axes right over your left shoulder right there. Bam. Boom. I mean, I've seen Chris Pratt do some shit with that thing. I couldn't even fathom you, but have you had to do anything to combat your PTSD or is this almost like your you're like you're the way you get through it

like your therapy almost through it all it was very therapeutic and I didn't realize how personal it was going to be uh until even when I wrote that that uh one page executive summary and that outline it didn't really occur how I know it was going to be uh accurate as far as sniper weapon systems and that sort of a thing but I didn't realize how personal it was going to be accurate as far as sniper weapon systems and that sort of a thing, but I didn't realize how personal it was going to be until I actually started writing the narrative from the outline. And then right away, it became evident how personal a writing experience this was going to be. Just going back to experiences downrange and pulling out the feelings and emotions behind them, and then applying them to a completely fictional narrative. So it did become very therapeutic.

But I was also very lucky with the decisions that I made downrange for whatever reason, because you can make a quote unquote right decision at every turn downrange in combat and things can still go south. Just like the opposite. You can stumble around and you can make the quote unquote wrong decision and things can turn out OK. So for whatever reason, I sleep very well at night. But a lot of my friends are dealing with some serious issues and a lot of them have done that

you know down done the ayahuasca stuff and done those uh experimental treatments and most everyone that i talked to who have done that say that it was game changing for them that it was a life changer and a lifesaver in many cases yeah i think every time you say downrange by the way everybody in here yeah yeah everybody does a shot every time i say itrange, by the way, everybody in here gets fucking excited. Do a shot. Everybody does a shot every time I say it. That'd be awesome. Are we doing a shot of Horse Soldier bourbon together right now, or you got a long day ahead of you? We sure do.

We sure can. I know it's a long day, but like I said. My guy. This is the fuel right here. Hey, thank you, man. Hey, thank you for everything you've done. Honestly, incredibly entertaining. Yep, there we go.

Hey, cheers to you, Bob. And the boys got some questions. Is that okay? Absolutely. Thank you for everything you've done. Honestly, incredibly entertaining. Yep, there we go. Hey, cheers to you, Bob. And the boys got some questions. Is that okay? Absolutely. Thank you so much. All right. Hell yeah. Smooth.

Solid right there. Oh, yeah. Nice. Hey, let's go write a book. Oh, yeah. We've got to do more of these interviews. This is great. I think it's like 1130 here in Mountain Time. It's all right.

You probably have, what, seven, eight, nine books done by midnight tonight with the way you go? I mean, it's impressive. Ty Schmitt, go ahead. Jack, how often, if ever, when you're writing some of these set pieces, will you have to go back and maybe say, like, oh, this is actually too close to a real-life operation that I've been a part of?

Does that ever happen? And also, has it changed the way you go about doing things now that it has become a series? Is it hard to kind of not write for the screen as opposed to just writing a novel? Yeah, so it has changed how I write. You can see it in the last book and in the blood because I was writing that one as we're on set. And I'm seeing these different scripts turn into something real life. And I'm seeing what actors are bringing to their characters.

turn into something real life. And I'm seeing what actors are bringing to their characters. I'm seeing the things that they do in episode one, two, and three that impacts episode four, five, six, seven, eight. So I'm seeing how the terrain impacts what we're doing visually. And then I'm also seeing these different conflations that I hadn't really written too much about in the book that we went heavy into in the series. And so that definitely impacted.

And if you've seen the series and read in the blood my last one then I think it's pretty evident which parts of that were impacted by the show and by screenwriting so I'm learning a ton and it's definitely impacting what I do as a writer but it's also I think making me a better better writer and the books better so so it was a great experience I feel lucky that those guys all it wanted me involved and really mentored me through this process. And now I have a few other projects out there in Hollywood going on, a couple other things happening. And if they don't come to fruition, it's still a great experience.

And I can turn all of those ideas into future books anyway. So it's been fantastic. You're crushing it, Lieutenant Commander. You should know that. And I'm a little boozed up right now, as you see. So I probably shouldn't be handling this. But, hey, hey whenever you know this look at that

man what is that that looks pretty powerful what is that thing is that illegal this is the same thing that Reese was carrying around the mountain when he put that when he put that bullet on top of the mountain and old cuzzy goes what does this mean and Nate Boyer goes he fucking could have killed us basically that's the same gun

it looks like that it actually looks like that yeah this is a pump this mean and nate boyer goes he fucking could have killed us basically that's the same gun it looks like that it actually looks like that yeah this is a pump action obviously instead of bolt action obviously you know you and i both though there was a little old school but did chris pratt had to go through like uh any sort of training with you guys to pass the eye test of being a fucking killer and how was that process were you hands on with that? Yeah, so it was crazy COVID time, especially in LA, Hollywood, in particular, California, obviously. So he couldn't go to like a boot camp type of thing. So but luckily, he has a background in that already. He's pretty solid as

far as all that stuff goes anyway, just as just being a guy. So he was good solid foundation. And then we had those guys I mentioned earlier on set with them each and every day essentially working with them on all this and then Taylor he had to learn to run the shotgun so Chris and Taylor they're running M4s and pistols and that sort of a thing but then Taylor had to run this shotgun that's in his picture right here and that took a ton of work on his part and he's going through his house and he's doing with these these dummy rounds that he's using in the shotgun, clearing corners and getting good with it.

And he really – because that's a different deal when you're running a shotgun, especially the way that Taylor did as Ben Edwards in the show. Look at that. Whoa. Yeah, solid move. Look at that. Whoa. I did not complete putts.

I did not complete putts. I think if there's a season two and there are negotiations about it right now, I think there might be a spot for you, at least as a technical advisor. Yeah, I'll do some teaching. You know, you guys need me to do any teaching. I think there might be a spot for you, at least as a technical advisor. Yeah, I'll do some teaching. You guys need me to do any teaching, I will certainly do that. Be one of the dead guys. Me, be one of the dead guys?

Yeah, why don't you shoot him? You can have someone shoot him. I'm a good seller. I can sell pretty good. If we need to throw somebody off a roof or through a window or something like that, maybe, I think there might be a spot. Hey, make that a high building

because I'm only going to do that one time. So let's go ahead and make that worth it. know what i mean we don't have that big thing at the bottom of course i always see it on mtv when they do jackass and stuff they sit on they land on that big thing that'd be great um are you still you still stay up with your abilities just in case a motherfucker tries you with these videos that hit the internet keanu reeves obviously did this we see you here in a full suit gotta be 7 000 7,000 degrees. Plunk, plunk, plunk, plunk, headshot, headshot, headshot. About 35 dead metal bodies here in a matter of 15 to 20 seconds. How often do you do stuff like this? And is it just kind of like a jump shot? You always have it. Well, luckily I have a pretty

solid foundation there. I'd like to do it more, but right now I'm doing a lot of typing, a lot more typing than I'm actually doing training. But from what I see here, though, I'm going John Wick training and so on the way in that's why I had the suit on so pulled in real quick they had the rifles ready to go pistols ready to go and just hopped on ran it once and then jumped back in the car and headed up to do my signing and made it with like seconds to go to get on stage there but uh figured if I was if I was there I couldn't not run that course because that's that's the training that I get these days is uh when I make it a part of work you fucking gangster this. This dude shows up, suit on, sunglasses on, operator glasses on, like when you got killed in the car in the middle of the series there.

You have your sunglasses on. Are the guns all ready? Yeah. All right, are they ready to die? Yeah, all right. Somebody got a camera? Yeah, all right. Ting, ting, ting, ting, ting, ting, ting.

Ping, ping, ping. All right, thanks, guys. Gotta go to an autograph signing with fucking bullet shells on me basically still you are a legend sir i hope you know that it is awesome to see somebody that has done so much not only for our country but obviously for your family for your community giving back and having massive success you are the man go ahead boston connor yeah jack you just mentioned the second season kind of being in the works right now or maybe getting screened.

Do you write some of these other stories with other people in mind, like with Chris Pratt? Like, do you have maybe a villain of Keanu Reeves, maybe Matthew McConaughey in one of these ones coming out? So I do now because now I know how helpful that is to the showrunner and to everybody involved for me to give them an idea of what I pictured as that character, just to give them a little bit of a baseline. So now I saw that last time. So now in this one, I have the whole season outlined already. I've sent that to the showrunner. He's given me notes, sent it back. We worked together on it, got it to a place that's pretty cool, we're excited about. But for each of those new characters that's being introduced in the second book, then I do have names attached, a couple different options there just so that they can start thinking casting wise. And sometimes they'll know right off the bat, hey, so-and-so is definitely a no-go.

They're involved in X, Y, or Z right now and they can't commit to this. But okay, this second and third choice, okay, possibility. Let's reach out to their agents. So it does help them a little bit. So I do have people in mind now, particularly when I'm writing the scripts for the series. What was it like coming home after your first long deployment? That's something I think is in the show and different movies try to show how tough it is. Just getting back into normal life, it seems boring or weird. What was that like your first

deployment coming home? Yeah, so the first actual combat deployment, I was always pretty good at flipping the switch on and off. But what I describe in the first book, James Reese coming home, and in the book it's a little different than the show in that it's a memory of a previous homecoming. And he comes home, and that's when the disaster has already hit. But in the book, we needed to introduce you to the viewer, to his wife, to his daughter, that sort of a thing. So it's a little bit different. But the way I wrote it in the book is exactly one of my homecomings. I just went back into that memory and wrote that out.

And I had to draw the reader in, make it emotional, and then just tear their heart out. But there was only one time when I had a real hard time coming home and that was height of the war, 2006. I'd been attached to a CIA covert action unit that also informs my writing in Baghdad and it was amazing because I was the only military person attached to this special unit and it was just awesome so a little less oversight than I was used to with the military so I was having an amazing time going out every

night hitting these targets and I didn't want to come home so my whole team went home it was another parts of Iraq and I just stayed. And my commanding officer finally had to call and say, Hey, get your ass on a plane. It's going to be waiting. C-17 is going to be waiting for you after tonight's op and you're going to fly home and you have to come home. And I had beard, long hair, you know, I was just loving living in this, you know, doing this, these missions. And I came home and my mind was still in Iraq because it was such it was just very busy, I guess is the best way to put it. I wanted to be there. And I came home and find my wife was like, Hey, what's wrong with you? Snap out

of it. And I was like, Okay, I guess I better snap out of it. So. So once you said that, it was like, because you can't be there, you're are physically in Virginia Beach, you can't physically be in Iraq. So get your mind right, get your mind home, flip that switch deal with what you need to take care of on the home front and then prep for that next appointment be where your feet are I think is a classic thing it's got to be difficult to do whenever you say hey honey sorry about I was just able to do whatever fuck I wanted you know it's kind of like a dream

military situation I love you I wanted to come home love being safe but also I mean I was kind of the guy there for a while. I know there is a little bit of that probably. But it was interesting. My commanding officer, that guy that called me, he called me about or texted me about two weeks ago. He said he'd seen the show and reached back out and went back through that memory with me of having to essentially order me and force me. You remember when I had to force you fucking to go home? You remember?

Yeah, they told me to get a haircut before I got back, which I didn't do. But hey, you know, a little rebellious streak, maybe it comes out in the writing as well. Well, you're a SEAL. There's a reason. You have to be, you know, kind of an independent thinker, a free thinker, a very strong minded person,

I think, to be a SEAL. I don't know enough about it to be speaking the way I am, but I feel like those are probably some traits that keep people from ringing the bell while you're going through buds. And whenever a Navy SEAL writes something like this, and it's about a Navy SEAL, you know, it's hard not to be like, oh, these are all real things while you're watching it. And then I learned a little bit more about how you have to get approval for the shit that you're writing from the government because there's a chance that, you know, some of it might be too close to home or whatever. how big of a thing is that for you and while we're watching it should we assume that some of it's real some of it probably taken

a little bit out of context like how do you think we should watch it as for those of us that can't wait for season two yeah so it's really the mindset that i was going after it's a fictional narrative of course i draw from the church hearings in the mid 70s that really investigated some overreach by certain institutions of the US government like the CIA. So I went back into history to study that and then project that forward into modern times. But all the situations are completely made up. But it's really the mindset of a warrior that I was going after.

I wanted somebody, and Chris and Antoine and the showrunner, they wanted the same thing. They wanted that person who has been in Iraq or Afghanistan or somewhere else around the world over the last 20 years to be able to crack a beer, sit on that couch, turn this thing on, and say, hey, these guys made a show for me. They got this warrior mindset right

and didn't make it to Hollywood and made something that spoke just to me. And so that's really what we were trying to accomplish there. And I think that 95% Rotten Tomatoes rating really says we got close. We did get close. But really it was the mindset of a warrior. And as far as those redactions go, so the first book I started writing when I was still in, during my last year in the military when my job became to get out of this gigantic bureaucracy. So I had a lot of standing in line to do a dental and medical and get read out of secret programs and turn in gear and that

sort of a thing. But because it's a gigantic bureaucracy, you have to stand in line first to make your appointment to then come back and stay in line again to then go do these things. So I had some time on my hands there. So I'm writing this book during that timeframe. And it was so close to my time in uniform that I thought, okay, I should probably submit this thing. And my lawyer thought the same thing. So I submitted it to the Department of Defense Office of Pre-Publication and Security Review. And that first book, they took about nine sentences out, which I thought was pretty good. And they got it back 45 days. They advertised 30 days, but 45 was okay. So second one, I did the same thing. I submit that one and a one month passes, two month passes, three, four, five, six, creeping up on

seven. We have to push the publication date a few months to the right. And they took out 54. But by this point I can hire some additional attorneys who can now go in and tie each one of these government redactions to a publicly available government document. So not something that's in someone else's book or on Wikipedia or Time magazine or something, but that anyone in the world can download from a US government website. And so we tied all 54 of those to publicly available documents from the government and they let me win on 37. So you can now take the paperback and the hardcover and you can compare what they

thought was so secret and one of those things they thought was so secret was something i made up and i made up a cia black site in morocco because i've been to morocco before my time in the military i love morocco i could describe it i remember being in marrakesh and the sights and the sounds and and so i thought it made sense geographically for the story so uh they took out any reference to morocco moorish architecture uh atlas mountains they took they blacked outically for the story. So they took out any reference to Morocco, Moorish architecture, Atlas Mountains. They blacked out all of that. But then I won it on appeal. So what does that tell me?

And anyone else reading it who decides to compare, it says, hey, we probably have a CIA black site in Morocco. But they could have just left it alone. So for the third one, I did Savage Son. I submitted that one. They took out I forget how many sentences And I went back to appeal again And this time they told me that they weren't going to let me appeal So for me that kind of tells me

Hey, quit bothering us with this fiction stuff kid We have serious things going on here in the United States government That we need to attend to So now going forward I don't submit anymore I've been to Morocco I got pickpocketed by a kid on the streets of Morocco While playing soccer with the locals. I didn't see a CIA agent come help

me out at all. Come on. Yeah. Those motherfuckers are there, it sounds like. They might have just been watching. Might have just been watching. Oh, look at the big, fat, dumb white right there getting all the euros taken from him. Last question here from one of the boys. We appreciate you so much, Lieutenant Commander. Go ahead, Tone. Commander, I have a problem where when

I watch a show, I get super into the show show i have already bought and purchased a new biometric safe because the show i i purchased a 1911 thank you love you boozer he's wearing that cowboy hat right now because he watched um yellowstone so he became a cowboy after watching yellow so he's not a cowboy by trade he's from pittsburgh. He watched Yellowstone, did that. He will soon be James Reese, which is awesome. Go ahead, Tim. Have you met anyone at these book signings who are too into your books, and you've thought about doing a fan camp where we can come out for a week,

maybe get some training from you guys, and you can make a billion dollars? Actually, interesting on both those fronts. There are some very engaged fans out there which is wonderful and people bring me at book signs usually at book signings the majority of people that show up at an independent bookstore they told me about 90% female they try to really figure out how to get get males to come to these things mine is the exact opposite it's about 90% male 10% female and they bring things to independent bookstores like Tomahawks. Hey, we got the same deal. We got the same deal, Lieutenant Commander.

Yeah, same deal. There it is. They bring magazines for M4s, ARs to sign. And bookstores aren't really used to this. People are pulling out knives, showing me all this stuff. They're bringing all the gifts. A lot of people bring whiskey, which is awesome. So my bags, I have an empty bag now that I carry on book tour that just gets filled with whiskey and all these things as I go along. But man, I could not be more thankful for those type of fans. People who took a risk on

me as a new author and then told a friend because that's how all this happened is somebody took a risk on me, told a friend. It was all grassroots. It wasn't coming from politics. It wasn't coming from anything that gave me any sort of a platform. It all started at zero. So it's really because of the reader that made all this happen. I love the thought of you signing at barnes and noble and somebody working there taking their mask off being like is that a gun yeah why is there a gun in the bookstore that happens it's like well kovat's gonna kill you for sure but these guns let's go and get crazy about it last question for me uh lieutenant commander you know you hear about any navy seal that ever tells any story being hated by other navy seals right like hey that's not what the seals do the seals do not

have any success outside of fucking killing people for the united states of america it's like a it's almost like a code i feel like and i respect and appreciate the shit out of it have you seen any backlash from the seal community have you got support i assume from the seal community and is that something you have to think about every single time you write anything basically at this point yeah no i didn't really want to spend my time thinking too much about that because that's bandwidth that's not going into making the book the best it can possibly be uh there is a lot of that mostly with the the non-fiction side of the house so people talking about a mission or their time in uniform. And, you know, there is that that goes along. There are people in that don't really like that.

Why is that? Why is that? Just because like, hey, we signed up not to tell people what we did. That's why we're SEALs? Yeah, it's kind of iffy. It's kind of a strange thing because those of us who grew up in the 80s, we read books about special operations in general or watch movies about this. And it inspired us.

I'd much rather have my kids today reading a book about what somebody did downrange in Iraq or Afghanistan as a seal as a Marine sniper is whatever else than a book about the Kardashians or something like like that I think today in particular there's so many inputs that kids need Heroes and it's important for those people to talk about their experience it's therapeutic for them it can be therapeutic for others and it can be therapeutic for others. And it can inspire another generation. So I understand the importance of those. But you're right.

In the SEAL community, there is this quiet professional code-ish type of a thing. But just like anything else, there's going to be good ones that come out. There are going to be horrible ones that come out. It's very subjective. But in my case, I'm writing fiction. And so I think I got a bit of a pass on that sort of a thing. The military in general is not very excited to help out with the show. So they didn't. I mean, we do blow an admiral up in his office and it's not flattering, but the Marines wanted

to do it. The Marines were all excited to give us some of their assets and we were going to use their, it was going to be great. But then the Navy found out and told them no. So we didn't have any support, which is great. I like that because if go back to uh the cane mutiny back in the day uh the movie with humphrey bogart the navy was involved in that and they had all these stipulations attached to it and over time they continued to do that sort of thing with different films and projects but i like being on my own i liked us being on our own as a production just without any of those strings attached from the military so i think that was the way to go anyway yeah i mean you served 20 years so some fuck in a suit should say that the they won't help you i mean that's great go ahead

aj your last question i appreciate how professional you are with it all and just understanding the reality of the situation but you would think that the military would be fucking pumped that one of the hottest authors on earth one of the biggest show creators on earth, is a former SEAL writing about stuff that people need to learn about. But instead, you know, classic, just classic suits, just being like, nope, this guy fucking ass. Is he making money without us? Yep, fuck him.

AJ, your last question for Lieutenant Commander Jack Carr. Yeah, do you guys ever go back and talk with your old buds, like the old guys? Like Pat and I played in the NFL, so we can sit there and talk about how hard our practices were back in the day and these new rules and everything. Do you ever go back and watch training and say, oh, this is easy now. Anyone can do this. Like, do you guys have that weird thing that old guys like to do? Yeah, we did even before the advent of social media, even before I was out when you were a brand new guy in the SEAL teams in the late 90s, early 2000s. Of course, the people that were already in their class was the last hardest

class. So that's always the running joke is your class is always the last hardest one. But when I turned that page from the military, you know, I knew guys that were still in obviously, but they have a mission to do and we picked up and we made a psychological and physical break with the military left San Diego, California moved up to the mountains here in uh in utah and uh and so i kind of turned that that page but now people are trying to reach out as a lot of those guys get out they'll be they'll reach out a lot of people have been out for a long time continue to text or call or ask for advice or that sort of a thing and you know obviously i always pick up and try to help as many people as i possibly can but uh but of course that always comes up changes in training and that sort of a thing but when you

have this thing called hell week that's been around for the longest time and there's no way you could today start seal training and just walk into an admiral's office with an idea to have this thing this six months training period where a week we're going to keep these guys awake they're going to be on the verge of hypothermia a couple guys might die every now and again but we're going to get some real guys we're going to get guys with grit out the other side of this program. You couldn't brief that today No one would do that. The only reason it exists is because it's a legacy program And it's really hard to make that part easier especially how weak when you're gonna be up from Sunday morning through Friday afternoon and you're gonna be

Cold tired hungry wet sand everywhere and it's gonna be very easy for you to quit because there's gonna be this bell that's not in front of the first phase office that's in the trailer hitch of a truck that you can see for that entire week. And all you have to do is go ring it three times and you can be warm again. So it's kind of hard to make that part easier.

So unless they get rid of that completely, I think we'll still get the same type of attrition because what you're doing is really, you're looking for that person with grit. And you're looking for a few other things. You're looking for physical courage and moral courage and you're looking for team ability which isn't really a word but uh but it's what we're looking for someone who works well with others in these kind of environments but uh it's it's it's hard

to hard to make that any easier when you keep somebody up for a week and make them so cold and also make it very easy to self-select out of the program so i think we're still getting people on the other side that have that grit that we're looking for do you still every once in a while just take a helicopter out to the ocean jump out and just start swimming around and be like all right I'll get home now you know do you do no no I feel like it was a good 20 year run and now I've turned that page and now I'm gonna try to write the best thrillers I possibly can and get better with each and every one that's that's the goal but you know every now and

again I'll get out there and throw some rounds downrange or do a workout and but nothing has ever made me say you know what I should go back in now that torch has been passed to this next generation and there are a lot of there's a lot of experience out there a lot of people that did some amazing things in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 20 years that are passing on those lessons to the next generation just like the Vietnam generation passed it on to mine so I think back on that and think of the guys that are still in passing on those lessons to the next generation, just like the Vietnam generation passed it on to mine. So I think back on that and think of the guys that are still in, passing on those lessons, and that keeps me warm.

That makes me feel good about where we are as an institution. Yeah, me too, by the way. Hearing you talk about how if somebody's going to get through Hell Week, they're going to be a dog. We just need to remember that. The SEALs today still had to go through the same shit that the SEALs had to go through 20 years ago so that gives us all hope i think hell yeah hell yeah hey lieutenant commander i appreciate you so much man i assume you're going to knock out this next book in about 5 10 minutes and then have another one and everything like that keep crushing it my

publisher would like 5 10 minutes but it's going to take a it might take an extra half hour we'll see well we crashed i think the horse soldier bourbon website already so i don't know if you're going to be able to get any more up there to utah in the next couple days or so but we appreciate the hell out of you thank you so much for what you've done for our country and for all of our entertainment lives oh man thank you so much for having me on thanks for the support and luckily i have that horse soldier stockpiled over here in boxes in the corner so So I'll be good for at least a few days. All right. Respect.

Ladies and gentlemen, Lieutenant Commander Jack Carr. Thank you. Maybe to my left, your right. Amanda, give a half-ass effort there as we start Hour 3 on this glorious Tuesday. His college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Routed Cup champion, COVID survivor, A.J. Hawes. The Toxic Table is here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. Bowl champion, Routed Cup champion, COVID survivor, A.J. Hogg. The Talks at Table is here at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Corner. One half of the hammer.

Cowboys, Tone Diggs, who we just learned is trying to get in the butts. We should know now. After he watches Terminal List, he's going to be out there on the beach with his feet down, sitting there up for at least 72 hours with people spraying hoses in your face. That's what you signed up for, pal, when you said you wanted to be a SEAL.

You asked Lieutenant Commander, hey, you guys ever do any little watch-alongs? That's what you said. You didn't listen to my question. Yeah, you said,

hey, I was wondering you could take us out on the beach, spray us in the face with hoses, and make a billion dollars as we do a little cosplay

of me being James Reese. Tactical Diggs is back. Yeah! Tactical Diggs! I said a little fan camp. 35, sorry, 34-year-old me went last fucking two hours. Two hours? Two hours.

Hey, Jocko does one of those. So you're making it through hour one. That's amazing. Yeah, I figured like an hour and 45. What? You don't think like an hour and 45 minutes is like sign up? 35-year-old me? Okay.

Listen, we're the Crick boys, too. We grew up. You got to sign up and get the crick boys too we grew up okay i understand where we grew up all right i understand the whole thing five minutes into somebody blasting a hose in my face while i'm just sitting there i don't even five minutes probably not even all right this is fun okay i'm a seal now i'm out you're saying two hours you're saying like for an hour for you gotta sign up you gotta get dressed get dressed. You got to lunch. No, no, no. Oh, you're talking about the logistics.

You're counting the waiting in line at the bureaucracy to be the whole thing. Anyways, that was awesome, AJ. I love that guy. His brain, good one. Fucking good one. Think of the amount of explosions and shit that could have potentially been around him. He is, hey, he's impressive, that guy. And he keeps coming up with, that's the thing. Like now the pressure is on to keep coming up with new ones, too.

Like, how tough is that? Oh, no. Is that the horse soldier? No, no, no. It's the brain. It's the brain and Aaron. It's the brain. Oh, it's good.

The brain just got CT. Someone's in a car. Sorry. The brain is still put together. Put the guard on it. Yeah, Roger's both of his ankles broke off. Oh, no. He went full Carson Wentz. God damn. Oh, no. He went full Carson Wentz.

Goddamn. Oh, no. We'll have a moment of silence for Aaron's legs, I guess. I've never seen this coming. He stood tall in the pocket in front of the papers for years. Dangerous place. Then one downrange conversation, and he Carson Wentz'd himself with a double sprain,

double break of the ankles. Still would try to play the next play if he could because there's something in the trade deal where if he plays 90% of the snaps, the Colts get fucked even more. Hell yeah. Thank you for your service, Aaron Rodgers. Thank you, Aaron.

Thank you, Aaron. Thank you. We got a boneyard up here, dude. AJ's busted in half. I think Jesus got a little shot in. He's alive, though. Bob Ross. Aaron stood in the pocket, though. You smacked that book down about 15, 20 times.

Exactly. I really enjoyed going, boom! This is the book. This isn't the guy. You know what I mean? This is Chris Brett. This is not Jack Carr that You know what I mean? This is Chris Pratt. This is not Jack Carr that we just talked to, AJ. Oh, I know. Hey, that horse soldier bourbon was hot, and I did take quite a pull out of that thing, you know?

How many times did you get to take a drink with fucking Lieutenant Commander, a man who's been downrange for 20 years? Not often. Well, yeah, I didn't want him to think I was soft. True. Whenever he said downrange, too, you weren't kidding. Every time we celebrated over here, like it was the first time we ever heard it. There was fist pumps.

Every time he said downrange, I was like, yes! Is that the first time you're hearing someone say downrange like that? I do believe we were introduced to downrange through this. He's an actual Navy SEAL who, you know, isn't bullshit. And that guy has said downrange while he's been downrange. And, you know know you don't get that very often it hits a little different when that's the case aj uh let's move to some nfl news before bach joins us in about nine minutes or so uh jesse bates has signed his

franchise tag for the cincinnati bangles he's a dog obviously he's all the way back the bangles are looking to go on a real run is that the expectation you think of bangles fans and of cincinnati bangles players allegedly there's a report that joe burrow didn't like the why not us tag because that makes a slight at the team like why not us is like an underdog mentality and joey burrow doesn't think like that he thinks they got a team it since i love the swagger of cincinnati and this has kind of come out of nowhere you draft the right guy you can change the entire culture i think that's what we're seeing aj yeah but also they made the right moves around i mean bringing hendrickson in last year the dude had an absolute monster year very impactful in the playoffs as

well but then you have a line situation you you shore that up hopefully early on in free agency if you remember they signed what two three guys in there and it's like okay whatever issues they've had they look like they're addressing them right away and they have tons of weapons on offense too so it's just tough for people to think the bangles are legit for here from here on out but if you look at them and you didn't know anything any history of the nfl you'd be like man whoever these bangles guys these guys are good outside of cincinnati it's hard to take the bangles serious yeah right this is just like the browns whenever they were getting going it felt like everybody was on the Browns train, though. Mm-hmm.

How'd that happen? And why aren't the Bengals getting the same fucking treatment? You peddling their propaganda. Me? Yeah. They say me. Going into last year,

a lot of people had them in the same. Everybody had the Browns that were going. I mean, that's why it was such a disappointing year, I think, because of what the expectations were.

For 20 years, nobody expected a damn thing out of the Browns, which I assume is the same thing for the Bengals here. Bengals had 11 win seasons like 10 years ago. Remember that? 11, 10? Not even. Six years ago, something like that. So I guess because they weren't just completely

out of it, it wasn't overreaction. Oh, they're all the way back. But I do believe the Bengals should be taken much more serious in conversation, especially with Bates coming back. I think that's a big deal. Just as somebody that watched the games last year and didn't know who the fuck Bates was, no offense, Bates. I got massive respect for the Wake Forest alum. But, like, I think that is something that we are missing out on.

And Jesse Bates has kind of brought it back in a conversation for us. The Bengals are a bunch of goddamn dogs over there. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like it has more to do with how good the AFC is. And it's a very similar situation to the Chiefs, where the Chiefs had a bad O-line, and their whole entire offseason was getting a good O-line, and that's exactly what the Bengals did.

They kind of filled that one hole, and then still the Chiefs didn't make it back to the Super Bowl. So it's like the Bills are still there. There's so many other teams around, and the AFC North is stacked. What was that article where Joey Burrow was alluded to as saying, Nick, where was that from? It was a Sports Illustrated cover issue. Joey did not like the why not us thing that everybody was saying

because Cincinnati Bengals fans were like, why not us? Hey, we got a team that can go. And Joe Burrow was like, what? Makes sense. Why not us? Fuck it. We are him, dude. We are that.

What are we talking about? Why not us? What is that even? I love that from Joey Burrow. And obviously, I've only got to meet him one time at that UFC fight. And he came up to me wearing a bucket hat and sunglasses in the smoothest baby face I've ever seen in my entire life. I had a neck brace on.

Obviously everybody does recall this particular evening. I didn't know who I was talking to for like two minutes because how nice, how professional. He looked sweet. I mean, he looked incredibly sweet. I'm like, oh fuck, this is Joe Burrow. And I start talking to sweet. I mean, he looked incredibly sweet. I'm like, oh, fuck, this is Joe Burrow. And I start talking to him.

I'm like, hey, you're a guy, you know. And there was never a sense at all of doubt or like he isn't a guy. Like he even has the aura of a fucking superstar. I love him. I love the Bengals. And I like that they're becoming a business, you know. Like I like that they're taking advantage of this particular thing like every other team in the NFL has for the last 50 years or so. They understand it, I think.

I think they see it, right, AJ? They know. They have to see it because they got a taste of it. They got to the Super Bowl. They almost won the Super Bowl. I mean, that last play, if Joe Burrow has an extra split second, they may have won the Super Bowl. That's how big of a difference it is now in Cincinnati than it was three years ago, I feel like.

Go ahead, Tony. I think it's absolutely criminal that they're not favored to win the division. Yeah, it's like they're tied, right? No, no. Especially with Big Ben leaving. And, I mean, well. Ravens plus 145 right now at FanDuel Sportsbook. Bengals plus 170 to win the AFC North.

Browns plus 370. sportsbook bangles plus 170 to win the afc north browns plus 370 and then the kenny picks bird steelers at plus 950 wow that number's with mitch starting if kenny starts it's probably fucking plus 200 you better put some money on the digs bangles last year already did it plus 1400 doing something like that and the bangles now have become the picture of hope in so many shitty football programs. There's Foxy. Did you hear Foxy, how loud he was? I re-upped my Lions card for another 20-plus years because of what the Bengals did last year.

I'm so pumped. Shout-out to the Bengals for doing that for the city of Detroit. Let alone Hard Knocks compounding that. Like, hey, listen, you guys got hope, and we're giving an inside look. Look what's going on. I mean, maybe the line's going to run this year, AJ. Maybe the line's going to run, but that's what the Bengals have done. Moving on, Bill Belichick, he says on the offense,

ultimately I'm responsible for all of it. You know, he gives an entire quote. He's been asked about this in every single press conference he has had to do since the beginning of training camp. And he has not given a single answer to anybody. All these reporters are trying to frame it in different ways. One person asked a 45 second question yesterday about how he goes about selecting the fucking team. And Bill Belichick came back with just trying to pick the best team.

Next question. I mean, he is on one this year. And I think it's because maybe he is a little bit more exhausted. Maybe he is staying up a little later than he normally does, which everybody knows he's completely committed to the game and he disappears for six, seven months. Maybe he is a little bit worried in trying to figure out this fucking offense. But Mike Giordi is reporting the most important thing from the Belichick today.

On the offense, he told the Greg Hill show. Obviously, Greg Hill, great show. Ultimately, I'm responsible for all of it. If you want to ask who's in charge, it'd be me. I have a final say in everything. That's the way it's been, and I don't see that changing. Hell no. That's him telling Greg Hill, the buck stops here.

Offense, defense, special teams. And you know what else that means, Greg? And I need to hear a little bit more respect out of you all those fucking super bowls too that who was it me that is that what bill's saying right here or is bill actually for the first time stating yeah i'm in charge of the offense publicly this is the first time he said it publicly aj no i don't think he's saying that i think he's saying i'm the head coach so whatever happens win or lose like it comes to me no matter who's calling the plays i'm the one that puts that person in position or multiple people in position to call the offense, whatever they may do.

Yeah, it all comes to him. Connor, your thoughts on this? I'm not worried about it. I feel like this is kind of what we have been saying for a while. Like, hey, Bill O'Chick's probably going to be the one that's telling everybody what to do. I mean, Patricia and Joe Judge last week both said, like, hey, whatever Bill tells me to do on a daily basis is what we're doing. I'm not the OC.

I'm not competing against Joe Judge or Matt Patricia. So, I mean, it feels good. What doesn't feel good is that all reports out of their joint practice with the Raiders is that they are getting absolutely torched today on all sides of the board. Yeah, but the Lions got cooked by the Colts on day one. I mean, we saw it, and then day two was the complete opposite, allegedly. So, who knows what's set up

for success and who isn't. He might just have a bad day, but I think the Patriots are going to be a work in progress for a long time. Let's remember if they end up turning it around whatever week,

even if it's week seven, week eight, fucking Bill Belichick. Let's remember who it is. Some other news before we get to Bach. The draft will be joining us here in a couple minutes.

Amazon and DirecTV have struck a deal to show Thursday Night Football in bars and restaurants. Over 300,000 bars and restaurants were not going to be able to show Thursday Night Football because it was moved to Prime. Amazon has struck a deal with DirecTV to be able to broadcast through

their platform. This is obviously good news for all Buffalo Wild Wings across the country. I would say, how much do you think this was worth? A lot of money. Yeah. Are they going to make it public? Maybe. DirecTV might put it out there because they were getting cooked

for losing money on Sunday Ticket or whatever for a little bit. I assume we'll find out something. Will it be true? Will it not be? We don't know. Everybody's numbers that get floated are probably close or completely wrong, right? That's like we never know what's real, what isn't.

I mean, my numbers were put out there with basically every single contract I've ever done. Some of them real, some of them close, some of them nowhere near. And that's why the projections of what something's valued at is always going to be bullshit. But congrats to Amazon getting that deal done.

Nick Saban has agreed to a new deal. It's been renegotiated. He is now getting paid $11.7 million. He has a deal in which anytime a new contract is done in the SEC or in coaching as a whole, and it bumps him out of the top three average in coaching annual salary, he is to renegotiate. So with Kirby Smart of Georgia renegotiating,

this set the table for Nick Saban to be able to renegotiate just one year after already renegotiate the average annual value of $11.25 million. So he was able to renegotiate the average annual value to be more than Kirby Smart's new deal, who just re-upped that whole thing. That is not enough money for Nick Saban. Listen, $11.7 million is a lot of fucking money. I assume West Virginia, Nick Saban, as a kid growing up, being told he'd make $11.7 million, he'd be like fuck all right like you know he would do that entire thing be pumped up about it do you know how much money big noon kickoff or college game day would pay that motherfucker to come be on their tv show they got him locked down

for eight years at 11.7 million dollars a lot of money an insane amount of money he's made 100 and some million since 2009 so that's still less than 10 million dollars a year since 2009 a lot of money an insane amount of money dream about that money but there's got to be networks just ready to fucking pay him and i wonder if alabama knows that i assume they do right aj yeah they just want to do whatever it takes to keep saving there as long as they possibly can i mean he's in his late 60s right all right yeah so he's i mean they're they're gonna do whatever they can i guess but what yeah i i guess look sean mcveigh was supposedly offered 20 mil from amazon right and he's – I mean, they're going to do whatever they can, I guess. But what – yeah, I guess, look, Sean McVay was supposedly offered 20 mil from Amazon, right?

And he's probably not getting 20 mil from the Rams. So, yeah, it's crazy. That's how referees – why would you be a ref? Be a ref for a couple years and then get hired on by Fox or CBS, get paid good money, and do a lot less work. Make 3X, lose all the pressure of fucking up a game, and tell everybody what's going on wrong on TV. I mean, that is a dream job,

but the networks were starting to pluck all of the good refs, and I think the NFL has still felt the effects of that, but I can't blame, you know, like Gene Steratore leaving was. Backbreaker. Bro, honestly. He's made for TV, though. He's perfect for TV. He's getting so much more money.

He's worked his ass off for so long. Where he comes from, too, in Pittsburgh, by the way, is a place like if you make it like fucking good on you, but the game lost him and lost. You know, like the game, the NFL lost. It's not an easy gig, though. We've seen other refs try to transition to the booth, and it doesn't go so well.

Yeah, I concur, and Gene Serator's great at it, but it is something that I feel like TV will be tempting Nick Saban for the rest of his life, and he just loves the game. Do you want to? What? You don't know what? I feel like Nick Saban, when he goes on TV, now it's strictly for recruiting purposes, so they can see him at the biggest event or whatever he's doing.

I don't know if he would love, like, even if he did a show once a week where he had to be there the day before, and he was only there a couple days a week, I don't know if he has, like, maybe he does. I don't know if he has like, maybe he does. I don't know if he wants to deal with all the little stupid stuff he'd have to deal with. Everybody's gettable, dude, for cash. Maybe not Nick Saban, but $11.7 million.

If you're Fox, who's offered $375 million to fucking Tom Brady, right? ESPN just paid Troy and Joe fucking $36 million a year or whatever. Like that money, and Saban's already rich. Obviously, he's wealthy with happiness and fulfillment and it's not about the monetary value in his bank account or whatever but you just have to think like fuck i might make an offer to him hey we'll pay you fucking 14 million a year just sitting here every single day we just need your radio awesome it

would be awesome like i'm thinking that i would assume espn networks and fox and cbs and everybody that's paying a fucking billion dollars a year for the big 10 rights or whatever would dream of having nick saban on there and they got a big bank account that they can kind of tap into don't you think alabama though could match whatever anyone is doing to keep him there as long as they want like with how much money they make every year I mean Alabama like they're a blue blood obviously but like when Shula was there before Saban was there like they fucking sucked for you know like they he built what they are right now like I mean it's you know they're already talking about him

being a better coach there than Bear Bryant and stuff like that like I think with how much money they make like if they wanted to keep Saban around for the rest of his life, they could very easily just be like, well, yeah, we could just give him $25 or $30 million a year. We could make that work. Well, I hope they do because roll motherfucking dad. Ain't that right, AJ? Yep, that's right.

Roll Tad? Say it. Oh, so that is the thing. You look jealous of Alabama's success over there? Oh, no, it's not a thing that I jealous alabama success over there oh no it's not a thing that i wouldn't say it i thought you were getting it don't sound like it okay so ohio state people hate sec successes no not at all i'm a big fan of alabama i was in the national championship game i told you these are the best football players i've ever seen in my life on both sides of the ball they're all six foot five and run four th. That's literally what it looked like. 150

people running out of both tunnels. 6'5, 240 running 4-2's out of the tunnel. It was literally the beginning of the game as they were jogging out. We're all just staring from the sweet room. God. Damn. That's the end of the roster. Those motherfuckers

normally don't even dress. They're dressing only because it's the national championship. And then we look at the other end and Georgia comes out and it's like, well, I'll be damned. These dudes are bigger, faster, stronger than everybody in this suite right now if we're to put them together. And it seems like they're just multiplying. Speaking of a man who's big, strong, fast, wide elite,

and he's no longer on the PUP, which made all Packers fans go from 6 to midnight. Ladies and gentlemen, consummate all-pro left tackle of the Green Bay Packers, the Draft, David Bakhtiar.

Yeah! How are you, bud? I'm good. How you doing? So I want to let you know, it is great to fucking see you, pal. We saw you in drills the other day. You had a little skip. You had a little pep to your step.

Obviously, good hand position, good drive. Then you kind of, you know, you kind of bopped it out a little bit there at the end. Are you just trying to get a feel for the legs back, trying to get back for the physical contact? Or is this you showcasing? I feel good. I mean, look at the spring in the step. I should be calling you IHOP right now, pal. Are you feeling good, Bakhtiari?

And what do you think it was that took you to the step to get off of the PUP list, do you think? I think it was just the normal progression of the rehab. So we're at a point now where it's time to integrate me back in, get a helmet, some shoulder shoulder pads start doing a lot more uh position specific get some bodies in front of me and uh i mean let the next steps kind of fall away they may okay how's that work do you have like did you have this plan in place for a while now like this is where you start to progress and now all of a sudden you're back at it a little

bit but you're not thrown right back into like team drills i assume right yeah no so right now we just started just with the individual and uh just kind of seeing how everything responds but uh all the stuff that we had done prior kind of left us okay well this is the next uh the next point we got to check off on our checklist to integrate me back into you know full contact and eventually you know playing the games and all that so uh we i talked to Goody. We felt good where we were and the situation with the team. So I'm like, okay, we'll take this next step. Good two days.

Today was just kind of a normal rehab schedule. So I just kind of took it off. But so far, so good. And I definitely, you know, Patty talked about a little pep in the step. Definitely felt good to be back out there. And it feels good still early. But, I mean, I really like where I'm at. Hey, celebration?

Whenever our parties agreed that the next steps would be to take you off the PUP list and going into that practice, a little nerves, or were you ready for it? No, no, definitely ready for it. I mean, it's been a while. But nerves-wise, I mean, no, not really. I mean, just a little bit of rust here and there, but definitely some just much-needed practice that I just miss. I just miss being out there with the guys. There's something to say, just, you know, again, a helmet, some shoulder pads,

joking within practice instead of just the guy standing on the side just making jokes like outside the white lines. That's a little bit not as fun. Whenever, let's get, can we go back? Do you mind if we go back? I mean, we just took a great step forward, but I would like to go back. Two. Your knee gets hurt.

Yep. You have surgery. Yes. You have rehab. Yes. During that process, set back another surgery, or did you come that process set back another surgery or did you come back set back another surgery in that kind of extended or was there never another surgery come back thought that was all normal lions game is that lions game no no no it was before the lions game

i had another surgery like when i was we were supposed to honestly play before then, and then I ended up needing to go get a scope. Clean up. Which then pushed it back further to the Lions game, and then they were like, all right, I mean, okay, you guys want me to – let's do this. And then after that game, I just – I wasn't able to rebound. I mean, yeah, of course, it's a playoff game.

Anyone wants to play. It doesn't matter what it is. It's just it was in such a bad spot that there was no way that I could gear it up to play. And even, I mean, I don't want to play the if game, but I don't know when it could have rebounded. Then I'll help you with the timeline and then push forward. About, they say, we talked about just take time off. You'll be good. Right, kind of getting close to OTAs. Ias i'm like hey i don't feel good still what is going on what was it it was tight swollen sore pain stabbing what was the feeling sure everything i just said yeah

so it didn't feel healthy you're saying yeah yeah i mean obviously i i mean you know when something's not right um and again i have nothing to base it off of. I've never had anything like this before. And I don't think many people have had it like the one I have currently in dealing with. So then I went in for number three with Neil Elitrosh out in L.A. for another scope. And I felt, initially coming out, I felt really good. But then again, I have now three surgeries in, shoot, 20 months.

And I never really got out of the first surgery. And then it just kind of has a compounding effect. So now I have to kind of work off three surgeries and all the, you know, with the atrophy, the turning on the muscles again. So it's just been taking a long time. But I will say, like, this totally feels different than where I was last year at all. Like, I'm like, oh, okay. Yes!

Let's go! Hey, that's big news. I just heard all of Packers Nation celebrate right there. And as I think AJ is probably listening to you talk, and I am as well, guys that have had knee surgeries, I mean, the rehab sucks too. So I apologize for you having to be in fucking rehab for the last 20 months, basically.

That has to be mentally tasking. I assume that's what you're referring to, getting back out with the boys, right? Oh, yeah i mean mentally physically i mean you name it it takes a toll on everything and just to it just feels good just to do what you know that you love to do um you know being out with the guys and not trying to verbally articulate what you're supposed to do but i can actually start showing some of the other offense like hey this is what i mean what i'm'm trying to say from a technique standpoint. And I can actually ask my leg to do what I'm even saying, which is awesome. And then, I mean, as you know,

it feels good to feel good. So again, I'm not getting too ahead of myself. I'm truly taking it day to day. And that's not player speak. It's just honest. And we're going to see when it's like, okay, now it's time to put it in a game and test it. Proud of you, buddy. How's the rest of the team look? The reports seem like everything's going great. The defense, obviously, it looks like they are going to prime for a big year.

Aaron is calling out people all the time as receivers. Everything's good to go, I guess. He didn't really – no issues there. They're playing well. What does the offense look like, and how is it when you actually do get in there to practice when you get to go up against a defense like you guys have? That has to be huge for you. Yeah, we've got good depth. I like the attitude and the mindset defensively.

You've got a lot of characters, and I mean that by big personalities on the team, not just in the locker room, but also on the football field, on the defensive side of the ball, which I think speaks volumes. And, I mean, anytime, you know, this defense, they need to obviously get in games and show what they can do in a game. But when you have them throwing, when they give Aaron temper tantrums about once or twice a day, that bodes pretty well.

What do they do to cause that? Just ruining the rhythm, timing on offense, not being able to move the ball as effectively as they know that we would like to. Fucking with the receivers, causing press conferences. That's what's going on, it sounds like. A lot of Aaron stomping his foot, hands on hips, sulking, looking up at the sky. Hey, you and Aaron have such a close relationship. It's obviously every move that you guys make in that golf cart

or whatever you do today, I guess you're blasting little Wayne's green and yellow. Vibes are high that you're all the way back. It sounds like, hey, doesn't it, AJ? And Ty, I don't want to get ahead of myself. Sounds like you guys are very confident about the squad that you have. Is that right? Again, I'm not going to get too ahead of myself. I don't want to get ahead of myself. Sounds like you guys are very confident about the squad that you have. Is that right? Again, I'm not going to get too ahead of myself.

I don't want to, you know. Guarantee a Super Bowl, Buck. I like the pieces that we have. I think we got a really good unit on defense that needs to show it in games. I think we have good pieces in play and a good coach, special teams-wise, with the WeFence. That's kind of building a new culture there, which is something in my 10 years now that's been a facet of the game

that needs a lot of attention. And, I mean, offensively, anytime you've got Aaron Rodgers back there, it's going to be at least a good offense. So, yeah, I'm just excited. But right now everyone's 0-0, and we'll see how the season plays out. Well, and the big draft's back. Yeah. Day by day, obviously, day by day.

Feels like the draft's back, though. Go ahead, Ty. David, just very excited to see you back out there. Happy for you, man, and really looking forward to this year. I saw recently on Instagram, I don't know when it was, but you posted that I think you were in Nambia. It was one of the coolest pictures ever, walking in the desert. How

sweet was that experience? Did Aaron maybe say, hey, they got some pretty good ayahuasca in the middle of the desert over there? What did you do out there and how sweet was that? I was out there for my honeymoon because I got married and we went to South Africa. Me and my wife,

we were at which put me at a spot where I was like, okay, I think honeymoon because i got married and we went to south africa so me and my wife we uh so uh we were at which put me at a spot where i was like okay i think my knee is not right because i'll tell you what hiking up that sand hill i was like with one and a half legs i was not hold on i actually thought of that while you fucking posted that photo i was like hey that walking in that sand i said he's all the way back because that, that's full, every muscle of your leg is using to balance yourself and walk through that. I thought of that

while you posted that. Real thing. Sounds like, okay. Yeah. It was a good, like, I don't know, two and a half hours just up a sand hill.

Damn. Yeah. I was just, my wife Frankie just kept turning around looking at me and she just seen me just take one good step

and then just hobble. And a couple times she's like, what do you think? I'm like, I look, I'm doing it. I'm going to the top. No way. I'm not going to miss out like on this view. So I just, just toughed it out. And then, you know, just total grit really.

And then moseyed on down. And then I definitely took a, I needed a, some me time. That's I'm like, okay, so we need to definitely go get another appointment because this thing is not cooperating the way it should be hey was the view worth it yeah and and i mean i wasn't on ayahuasca so i do remember it it was it was solid so you aj's the shaman normally you go on those ayahuasca trips as well is it you aj aaron and is that the crew is that i haven't been invited i don't think i'm allowed to because my uh uh i think my my saturn's in the

third house so i don't know if i get it on his on his endeavors so um i mean it depends maybe when like the the planets kind of uh have a celestial turn i could eventually but i right now i think uh while i'm in the third house what dimension is that yeah well it's the third dimension but his house is you know he can't enter any other dimensions because saturn's currently in the third house okay okay yeah i think moves around hey buck hey you know aaron very well workouts gathering off season obviously you were comfortable with him enough to joke about him here like aj is. I don't know how many people on earth are like that with the back-to-back MVP. How do you take everybody's reaction to his every fucking move? Honestly, like, is it just something you laugh at at this point? Or is there some times where you go like, this guy doesn't deserve all of this shit because that's i've just been introduced to this very recently and i'm like they fucking kill this guy for everything he does as being a close friend of his obviously left tackle and somebody's been a teammate and he likes a lot how is that do you just take everything as

a joke nowadays with him or do you even think about that at this point i i definitely laugh about it i mean you have to um and i think you know getting like a little bit serious i think on his end he's kind of learned like you gotta have you gotta be able to laugh at it. I mean, you have to. And I think, you know, getting like a little bit serious, I think on his end, he's kind of learned like you got to have, you got to be able to laugh at it or else you'd go crazy with just how people treat anything and everything and how scrutinized he is. So yeah, I mean, I definitely always like to always lead with some jokes and some laughs. And I mean, if I could help crack, you know, crack a smile with him or on a situation that, you know, is getting a little bit of heat, great. Sometimes I definitely step over the line with him, and that's always fun, learning that side of him.

But, no, I mean, he's definitely – I would even say over the course of getting to know him, I know him and AJ have obviously known each other a lot longer, but he's definitely gotten a little more relaxed and chill about everything. You could see how you would have a guard up against everybody on Earth, though. Like, you know, you would see how this guy

is potentially saying, hey, fuck you to everybody for a long time. I've been very fortunate here to be in the last couple years of his life where it sounds like he is at the point where he'd like everybody to know who the fuck he is. Like this is actually who i am as opposed to what everybody else has been saying but i couldn't fathom having that life but also i'm not the back-to-back fucking mvp tone has a question for you buck go ahead tone you talked about a little

bit of rust what is it is it like feet moving his hand placement what is as far as the rust is going uh what area is it? I mean, certain things that come off the top of my head is like just getting weight distribution in my stance depending on what play. Certain mechanical checks that can put me in a better position if we do have multiple plays on when we call it in the huddle. Snap count, just being able to time it up verbally and the non-verbal stuff i feel comfortable with and then i'm not really hand placement

it probably is going to be a little bit of i think the next little bit of rustle will be you know when i'm getting the live drills uh some contact like you know am i having too wait too much weight forward weight back but those are just little things i mean i've played enough ball that most of us comes off pretty quick uh for me now, I mean, earlier in my career, definitely training camp was definitely not as serious to me as a young guy. But now it's just little things, things that probably most people wouldn't even really notice. But for me, they're very nitpicky.

You worried about my bull rush at all? What's so funny? No. All right, well, that's good news. The man's back. We appreciate you. What's next for you, man? And how's good news you mean the man's back yeah we appreciate you what's next for you man and how long i know you're doing day by day you have to have some self-projections though how long do you think until you know what the next step will be is

that in the coming days coming weeks what do you think yeah i know like what's next for me is i'm trying to finish my book in my book club i just want to show it. Oh, yeah, yeah. That one's very similar to this one. It's a really good book. Honestly, once you get to the M's, it's really electric. It really starts picking up. So I definitely give it a read. I've been trying to get Aaron on it,

but he's a little backed up, but Webster's Dictionary. Big fan. Alright, well, I'll get to that one once I'm close to being done with this one that Aaron actually put on the book club. Fingerprints of the Gods

by Graham Hancock. 700 pages. Week-to-week book club. Hold on. Let's just... Do you think he actually read that? It's his book club. You fucking tell me, Buck.

I don't know. Look, hey, there's a lot of, you know, conspiracy theories out there that can happen. What if he doesn't read any of these books? He just does what any typical ex-college student or even in college that we did, which is go to SparkNotes. I don't know if that's still a thing.

Well, you can also read the executive summary of it on the opening flat. Lieutenant Commander Jack Carr told me about that little trick that I did not know that I will do. You're saying there's a chance he didn't read any of these fucking books. You're telling me he did not read? I'm telling you.

That Daily Stoic? I mean, it sounds like a great time. On the way out, I want you to think about this, okay? As you're going through your rehab. Okay. Today's date is August 23rd. Take this one to your next rehab sesh, please. Is there a less effective technique to persuading people to do something than haranguing?

I mean, see, like, who the fuck? Nobody read that. Nobody read that. Okay, you're right. Aaron probably didn't. Hey, good luck with the rehab process, man. We are pumped for you. Thank you for stopping by and good luck with the rehab process, man. We are pumped for you. Thank you for stopping by, and good luck with the

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If you're in town, you'll get $300 to have a good time with. Shout out to SeatGeek for that. Hashtag PMSSeatGeekNFLs here to enter. Let's get some phone calls here. Let's head to the 5RNG phone lines. Let's go to Kevin in New York. What's up, Kevin? What's up, Pat? Hashtag PMSSeatGeekNFLs.

No, no I. Just NFLs. Oh, take it down. Boom. Boom. Nice. Good work in the back. Kevin in New York, what's going on, pal? What's going on, Pap, boys? Hey, Jay. Big Packer fan.

Hell yeah. Go Packer. But I'm also a Mets fan. Let's go, man. Oh, so sad. So sad. They might have won the game, but they had a Yankee fan stooge three rows behind me using a hot dog for a

straw. Okay, you were near said guy that said buddy, that went very viral on the internet last night, or was there numerous people doing that last night? Yes. If I knew he was doing that, I would have put him down range. All right. Nice.

All right. Easy Mets fan, you're a Yankees fan. Guy's trying to enjoy the ball game. Give him a break. A couple questions here. When did it just be known as a glizzy? I don't know when that switch happened. I didn't know what that meant.

Glizzy, when I heard glizzy, I thought something vastly different, but everybody just seemed to be on board. Oh, glizzy's a hot dog. What'd you think it was? Huh? What'd you think it was? I mean, obviously.

Don't say huddle me to buy time either. Don't do that. Well, it's just, you know, I just thought a glizzy was... Does that have to do with semen? Yeah. Well, I certainly thought so, but turns out it's just you know i just thought it was semen yeah well i certainly thought so but turns out it's just a hot dog which i respect and uh yeah somebody drinking beer from a straw first of all okay wow trying to puke um trying to puke for sure used to be a contest at a bar i'd go to on penny pitchers night love that who who what team of two can drink

an entire pitcher quickest out of straws everybody puked everybody puked that was doing it it was because the way it goes so him doing it out of a hot dog as a straw certainly quite a play for this guy but then i started thinking maybe the hot dog juice mixed with the beer is actually a pretty delightful taste and this guy might be innovative or might be strictly doing this for the internet because the camera seems to have a perfect angle on this. Yeah, I don't know. I think this guy's just a weirdo. He's wearing a Ralph Lauren Yankees hat,

so that should kind of give you somewhat of an idea. It's like people don't buy that fucking hat unless you're a weirdo. He knew what he was doing, though. This is not the first time. He had some J's on, too. I mean, the guy. It doesn't look like it's for the camera. Guilty pleasure from this guy.

Good job, chill man. That hot dog after, though. That hot dog tastes so good. That feels like a work. A beer. Bash. What is it? A beer.

Whenever somebody drops something into it, it's a. Beer battered. Beer battered hot dog this guy's having. Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. Beer penetrated hot dog this guy's having? Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. Beer penetrated hot dog this guy's having? Beer chili. People pour beer in chili.

He also keeps gallons and gallons and gallons of hot dog water at his house. I can understand it. People enjoy the taste. This guy says, how am I supposed to watch Aaron Judge hit home runs if I'm not chugging a brew hot through a hot dog? And this guy, honestly, this guy might be reversing the juju. The Yankees have been on a bad slide and last night was a huge win. So, Judge may have homered and this guy said,

you know what, fuck it, I'm going to go buy a beer. I'm going to get the hole out of this hot dog and I'm going to drink the beer out of the hot dog. Depending on what the beer is, I'm not sure it's keto, but him just having such an efficient way to do that. Like, this motherfucker does it at home. This is the first time we've seen it in public. It's not the first time this guy has done this, AJ.

No. I mean, are there other – are there like brats? What else could you do with it this way? Twizzlers. Oh, yeah. Twizzlers is going to be tough to puncture a hole in it, isn't it? He just cuts it. He bites it off the small hole.

He just cuts it off the top and bottom. It becomes a straw. Yeah. Straw, by the way, has one hole. True. Yeah. All right. Hot dog straw, one hole. you're about to say two holes yeah

this guy he pokes he pokes you know two separate holes for it but i think it becomes one hole right it's like yeah but we know did he pop two one tunnel two holes like a cross move one tunnel two holes that's what it is technically right Because there's an entrance and an exit. Yeah, exit wound. Yeah, but if you flip it, they can be reversed. So? So it's one hole. So the entrance is the exit.

Just like, yeah. It's a paradox. The exit is the entrance. Exactly. Exactly. So it's the same thing. Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. And don't you ever forget it.

Okay, AJ? You know that. The real brain buster today. No, it's one hole. I mean, that's an internet conversation. It's one hole. If they didn't connect, it would be two holes. It's not tomato-tomato, actually.

There's also more wheels on Earth, by the way. Yes, thank you. 100%. Than windows or doors? Doors. 100%. I don't know, dude. There's doors. Not windows.

Definitely not windows. You think more windows than wheels? Yeah. Yeah. More windows than wheels? Think about office buildings. A lot of windows. That's good.

A big office building in New York, every floor having how many chairs and all those chairs having all those... Eight wheels? Yeah, exactly. Like that, it just... Two wheels. But then you start thinking around the world, every lean-to, everything has at least two doors on it.

Yeah, but... Every lean-to. You ever seen Junior's house? He's got two, three million fucking Goodyear tires he could put on. That's a good point. That's a good point. In his garage. You're right, Tony.

Have you seen Jeremiah's barn down here in Amish country? In Bullfrog? He's got eight, 9,000 doors just sitting there waiting to be sold. Wooden wheels. The internet asks great questions. The straw having one hole or two, it's clearly one. It's clearly wheels. The internet asks great questions. The straw having one hole or two, it's clearly one. It's clearly wheels. I don't know if that's true or not.

I mean, I just threw that in there. The dress was blue, too, and black. Clearly. Oh, yeah, those are tough. Laurel, Yanni. Yeah, they have those sound ones now. That one goes both ways. There's a hot one going around right now about hamsters.

I saw it there. PVC pipes? All right. Chris Mad Dog's show will be better than ours. It starts in six. Jesus. Hamsters is how we set them up. It's like a brainstorm one.

It's like you hear brainstorms, whatever you say, right? Whatever words you're reading, that's what you hear. Yeah. It's four different words. It works, too. What happens? So there's four options, that's what you hear. Yeah. It's four different words. It works, too. What happens? So there's four options, four words in the captions. Whichever one you're reading is the one you hear.

And if you listen to it four times in a row and look at the different four things, you hear that. Not me, pal. You see what I can do here? Hell yeah. I can separate things. You know what I mean, AJ? Yeah, you're patting your head, rubbing your belly. Bingo.

You know what that means? What? Jack shit. I don't think it means a single thing. I can roll belly. Bingo. You know what that means? What? Jack shit. I don't think it means a single thing. I can roll my tongue, too. You know what that means? I have no idea. There's so many things that we have made up in our world that are so fucking dumb, by the way.

I mean, we're a part of it. We're one of the things, I guess. That was created that was so dumb. But when that dress hit the world what was that 10 years ago maybe took over no what are those called here where are we really yeah for sure no it feels like was here 14 i remember that definitely was here i remember where i was at for the dress i was still living in pittsburgh i thought it was 2014 that split people i mean there was people like fuck off like people getting actually mad about how

does that work what is it called when everyone sees something different it seems like i don't know every brainiac had a take on it well it depends on the lighting and what your eyes are seeing it's like i ain't never seen the gold one ever wish i could have would have been fun to see what you guys were seeing actually but that thing was blue and black from the day i seen it to the day i'll probably die that thing's in it really's like, well, that's the way your eyes are or whatever. You're a blue-black guy. What are you? White and gold. That's what I'm saying. This guy's a fucking loser.

I was thinking the opposite. That's what people did, though. We just did a reenactment of what people actually did right there. Yeah, I mean, that was a thing. That was before I got LASIK, though. Oh, yeah. Go check it out again does it still exist oh at that point too is it like did someone just make the photo with a blue and black or white and gold now it's impossible now

the internet would have fucked it up so quick people would have been photoshopping well i actually see a little hint of pink in there well that's not the original how do we know what the original is well nobody can agree on what the color is, so nobody knows. It's gone forever. I mean, it's... Well, now the COVID guy with the big dong would be watermarked in the dress. He's talking about it. That's a good point.

The unfortunate guy that passed away in the 90s, but he became popular again? Yes. He's not the COVID guy. I mean, he is. Yeah, he's just a guy with the big dong. He's the internet guy with massive dong. Yeah, not just COVID guy. He an internet guy with massive dong yeah not just covid guy he was worked into a lot of covid memes and pictures well covid memes were the only thing

happening for the last two years but he was also his dong had been worked into a lot of different genres a lot of forms of media sammy wasn't around to see it well i agree he knew he knew when he took the photo yeah this thing's gonna go he's way ahead of his time. Yeah, true. What'd you say, Zito? You found something? Oh, just the dress. Is it the real one or not? Put it up. I don't know.

That's blue and black. That's gold. What? What? That's gold for me, absolutely. Yeah, for real. No, we did it again. Here we are.

That is fucking blue and black still to this day. Is my screen seeing something different? Because it's gold and white right now. He's just saying that. See, there ain't no... I'm with AJ. I'm also with AJ. There's no cones in our eyes. Are you talking about the white around the dress, right? That's what you guys are saying? Nope. And the gold

little thing on the side of the dress over there? Oh, yeah. The border is white and gold. No, it's all gold. Yeah, you guys aren't talking about the dress that's clearly blue and black, right? Blue and black, yeah. That's white and gold dress right there. Gold, white. How can you guys see the white... What's that, Zito? Gold, white. Well, see, your mouse is black. That's white and gold dress right there. How can you guys see the white? What's that, Zito?

Gold, white. Your mouse is black. We can't even see it. See, I don't believe this a bit. I don't believe you. That's straight gold to me. That's straight blue and black right now. Nick, look at us with the good eyes.

The good eyes. The guy that crashes golf carts into ponds and falls asleep. It's all because of vision. Had nothing to do with my vision. Better than 2020. Yeah, me too, pal. I got LASIK. I got superhero eyes.

I woke up 2010 one day. I was at 2080, and I seen blue or black that entire fucking time now, and this is... So this is a you guys problem. It's a shame to watch you guys get so easily duped

into something like this. Oh, you basic ass, simple-minded, white and gold dress, hallucinogen. I watch the Fox. Maybe it's through the blue and black. Okay. I do see a hint of gold they're talking about, though. Oh, God.

You can't play. Does anyone else see gold? Yeah. As you zoom in and it gets rid of the borders of the white and gold. To me, it looks more white and gold. But from zoom in. Like right there, it looks white and gold. Yeah. See me. Blue and black. Definitely white and gold. To me, it looks more white and gold. Zoom in. Like right there, it looks white and gold? Yeah.

See, me, blue and black. No, it's definitely blue and black. Even more so. You guys don't even see the white? Which one is the white? Which one is the gold? The black, I see the hint of gold. Right here is white.

Where? I can't see your mouse. Is the top one or bottom one? Is the horizontal stripes white or gold? Right here. Top is gold. Yeah, top looks gold. Is the horizontal stripes white or gold? Top is gold. Yeah, top looks gold. That's gold.

That's gold? Now that we're... Is this real? Are you guys serious? Shut up. Yeah, this is 10 years ago. This is dumb. Leave me out of it. Oh, I'm sorry.

You got broken fucking eyes, dude. Sorry about it. That's black on top, blue on the bottom. If this isn't a bit, it's very interesting how different. Then why is it not a bit? If it was blue on the bottom, you said you couldn't see Zito's mouse when it was on the bottom. That's the blue part.

No, it disappears. Watch. When he shakes it, you can actually see it disappear. Hey, sorry about it, pal. I think it's a TV issue. Yeah, there it is. We see it right now. There it is.

Now don't shake it, and it'll go away. Yeah, now it's gone. It's gone. It's a very issue. Yeah, there it is. We see it right now. There it is. Now don't shake it and it'll go away. Yeah, now it's gone. It's gone. It's a very small mouse, too. Is that thing starting to turn gold up there? See, that's what happened to me. I see. That's what happened to me.

It's not. It's not, by the way. It's black, yeah. All right. Do you want the other photo that has both? We're not getting into this. Both. Okay, we know we're right.

You're wrong. And we will go about our day. You got the colorblind. Listen, we can agree or disagree. We're all fishing in the same hole. Fishing in the same hole. On a Wednesday

time go. Money too. We can agree to disagree, boys. Because we're right, you're wrong. You're serious, though? The white is blue to you? 100% serious. Yes. Wow.

What is that? See, that's literally how we got into this. I thought it was a bit from you guys saying that, honestly. Especially from you. Nick, are we shapeshifters? Oh, lizard people. Lizards, huh? Sweet.

Look at that. Well, that's manipulated. Two different dress. So what do you guys see? I see blue and black on the right, and then I see light blue gold on the left. Oh, really? No, you don't. Yeah.

See blue and black right, gold and white left. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I still see a hue of blue. The left looks like a different photo, though. Those don't look like the same dress. Yeah, it's like a brighter yellow. I think they're like different shading in the background there.

Oh, they filtered it? Yeah, like there. Yeah, see, I still see a hint of blue. It's a doctored image. We have a poll running with over 2,000 votes, and the majority, almost 60%, says white and gold. Oh, these fucking marks. Exactly.

AJ's not coming to your house you're wrong if you're a mark then you see white and gold is what we're how many years ago was that but by the way this is how this whole conversation started like this thing really did this yeah yeah like we're doing this on the show right now i remember doing this in real life with a lot of people you fucking loser it's very i would never trust anything you say ever again. Like that type of stuff. It's very odd. Now, like going back to the original photo, it looks blue. Well, no shit.

It is. It's blue and black. Which leads me to the original. This is exactly what happened. That's what we were just doing. Yeah, it's blue and black. Just like that tweet. Golden white. See that tweet thing to the left there is blue?

Is that blue for you, AJ? Right now, it's blue for me right now. Is that tweet? That tweet button's blue, yeah. Oh, is it? Okay. Okay. All right.

Yeah, that's the color blue, guys. not what's in the picture on the right. It's crazy. I'm so embarrassed for you. You guys might need to schedule a follow-up for some eye exams or something. I don't know. Let's get out of here. My eye is transitioning back to white and gold. Mine are doing that, too.

I think that's a product of us having shitty eyes. My eye is fucking sick. Boom. Shitty eyes. White and gold. That's exactly right that is 60 of the people watching the show vote on our poll you guys need to go get your fucking eyes i'm worried about you and stop driving by the way the road's already dangerous enough we don't need

need you white and gold dress seeing sons of bitches out there making decisions that might affect my life that definitely counts for you we've been had that and i didn't even i was riding with you last week. What was I doing in your car? You had to go get LASIK. Your eyes were so shitty. And by the way, now they're superhuman. Blue and black still.

Don't even know how to tell you. They've been doctored to be good. This is a shame. That was a real bummer. Anyways, I heard Yanni too, I think. I think I heard Yanni. What was the other thing people heard? Laurel, Laurel, Laurel. That's why we always say, don't rest on your Yannis.

That's what we say, you know, just as a fuckery. Let's get out of here, though. I think this is a good way to end the show. Good disagreement. Good argument. We need to find some more of these for later on at different times in the show. I'd like to see if we have different. You know, it's crazy that we're that different on it.

Yeah, I concur. And it's going to be tough to take you serious. Not that it hasn't been already. I can't take you guys serious other than Nick. Well, that's what we're that different on it. Yeah, I concur. And it's going to be tough to take you serious. Not that it hasn't been already. I can't take you guys serious other than Nick. Well, that's what we're talking about. How can we trust anything that you guys see or do now? That's what I've been saying to you this whole time. Well, no, we see the proper color.

I saw the original dress is gold and white. All right. I can't do it anymore because you're wrong. Bill just sent in the real dress. It is clearly blue and white. So I see white and gold in the viral photo, but it is clearly a black and blue dress. No shit.

Never would have guessed it. Look at us, Nick. Our eyes are special, Nick. It's the best. You guys are on ayahuasca. Psychedelics making stuff up. Can't take anything you guys say serious ever again. Sorry about it. That doesn't count. There's a person wearing it. That doesn't count. Now that ruins all of it.

I don't trust anything Bill says either. Just a little clearer. Just so we're all seeing the same thing. White woman? Yes. Okay. With gold hair. I don't know.

With gold hair too. I don't know. I don't see color in him. I don't either. Certainly a white lady. Just want to let you know. Let me let you know. That is a Caucasoid there standing in that blue and black dress

that Connor and I have seen since day one of looking at that dress. Yeah, it's because we're not absolute idiots. Speaking of, Ohio guy Ruppert just said straw is two holes, not one hole. That makes sense. Just to kind of go back to where we were at. But if you cover one end of the straw, then it's one hole. If you block up one end, then it's... If you dam that up, then what?

It's a continuing hole. Yeah, it's one... It's a tunnel with two openings, I guess. So, two doors to the tunnel is a straw? I guess, yeah. So, no holes. No holes. It's a tunnel, actually. There you go. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this. But a tunnel is

one hole. Yes. That's what a straw is one hole then what's okay let's say i have a tunnel and i block up one end of it then what do you all right hold on then you have a hole yeah you have a cave without an exit i guess there you go just real quick who cares yeah these are the things that i these are the things i get mad at myself for taking part in so i apologize to myself well you were wrong about the dress you know i don't like hypotheticals this isn't hypothetical but it is yeah the tunnel i guess we'll touch on this later in the show in years in the months leading up to you know the super bowl all right we'll circle back in february okay there we. A fan of the show,

I guess, has now been doctoring stuff. No, no. So he like, so in Photoshop, you're able to see what color it is and the code,

it says blue. How about that? Wow! Fucking flower. Suck it, Hawk. Wow! I'm never getting in a car with you ever again.

I might, because it is very convenient and you seem to be a great driver and the Jeep is very nice. But I need to watch. I need to have, I would like one of those pedals on the ground on my side of your Jeep because you guys'

eyes, on record, fucking with shit. You need to know that, Nick. I see a blue car. Who cares about the color? I don't care what some C-Mark tweeted out. Okay, that thing is white. See, now they'll deny forever. It doesn't matter.

I guess there's always a rebuttal. Oh, everything's fake, including what we're seeing. But yeah. Anyway, 60% of that poll, too. And if we know anything about polls on the internet, that 60 to 40 is going to remain. Updated 54.43 now. Oh!

In favor of white gold still, though. So 3% of the people are just saying other? 4% other, yeah. Do we have to give another option? There's a problem. favor of white gold still though. So 3% of the people are just saying other? 4% other, yeah. Do we have to give another option? There's a problem. Apparently some people see blue and brown. Oh, shut up. No, you don't. Fucking

idiots. We didn't have like a doctor on to explain why this happened. We just did. It was the computer that said this is the color it actually is. Sorry about it. Why do we see that? Okay. That's his computer. This is Lambda.

Why would I try to continue to argue this? Bro, Lambda already fucking just shut you down. Sweet Blake? Sweet Blake's probably on Lambda's side. Sweet Blake is dead. We know that. What? All right.

We know he's dead. He's not dead. Sweet Blake. They killed him? No, this guy's never going to die. So that's the real picture, though. There's no chance. Yes, that's Sweet Blake, the man who coded Lambda.

Was he performing in a play? No, he's auditioning for Oswald Cobblepot. He was going to be the penguin in Batman. What colors he wear? Where? I thought he was playing Josh Gad in a biopic. I'll tell you what, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know who any of the people you just said was,

but I assume it's a very accurate depiction of who. That looks like a blue, right? Maybe a dark gray. Gray. Smoke gray. Yeah. I mean, whatever it is, it's sweet. Lambda's crawled into his brain.

And I'm talking about the one he's making with his nutsack. I'm talking about his head. All right. Sweet Blake did not deserve this. making with his nutsack i'm talking about his head all right sweet blake saying if we're going to recode the lambda algorithm we should at least ask for permission that's all sweet blake wanted to do he said hey the uh the artificial intelligence in there it's sentient it has feelings for me i have feelings for it i think we should treat it accordingly and they've just run this they've given this guy the run around they have he gets

fired shipped out of town. Lambda's still doing her thing. Don't you worry about sweet blood. This is the first domino to fall. As soon as one of these things falls for an AI, which has happened, clearly the AIs are taking that next step to take over this planet. I will say this. Speaking of first dominoes to fall, I think for our show,

not that our dominoes are ever standing up, but the dominoes falling for people losing trust in us is when people like you and people like Nick say that that dress is white and gold. Let's get out of here. Lambda said you're a robot.

We're going to trust that robot. You're on this guy's side. I hope you feel good. I'm happy you're on this guy's side. Ohio guy. Nick, go ahead to trust that robot. You're on this guy's side. I hope you feel good. I'm happy you're on this guy's side. Oh, thanks. Ohio guy. Oh, wait. Go ahead. Hit that thing.

I know. It hurt you. Yikes. We're back to normal. Feels good to know the truth. It really does. Yeah. See, this is kind of a part of the problem. You were literally shown evidence that you were wrong.

That was not okay. Yeah. Oh, my bad. I trust it. Read it in We Oh, my bad. I trust it. Read it in WePage. Look, a little screen grab with the thing pointed at the little dot on blue. Yeah, it's blue. Oh, my bad. I guess the mystery's solved.

I'm sorry for arguing. All right, let's get out of here. This show sucks. Thanks to Lieutenant Commander. Author of the Terminal List, which is a great of here. This show sucks. Thanks to Lieutenant Commander. Boom! Author of the Terminal List, which is a great series. Five books in there. Obviously on Amazon, you should check it out.

Also, Horse Soldier bourbon tastes delicious. Guy's down real smooth and real warm. Oh, yeah. That thing did a little bit of a kick to the throat as it was going down. Of course. But I got to drink with Lieutenant Commander 20 in Navy SEAL today. That's awesome. Thanks to him. Big shout out to Bakhtiari and Sham Sharani in the first hour. But I got to drink with Lieutenant Commander 20 in Navy SEAL today. That's awesome. Thanks to him.

Big shout out to Bakhtiari and Sham Sharani in the first hour. AJ Hawk, all the boys, everybody watching. Hashtag PMS Seat Geek. NFL's here. Remember, say something nice. Oh, put your cash tag in there too. Put your cash tag in there. Do a screenshot from any of these.

Phil sees white and gold, by the way. No, that doesn't. All right. I'm happy that Phil got his opinion in there Phil thanks for just fucking jumping right in And saying I'm wrong too You know that guy's handling a lot of finances around here We got a guy seeing shit Running the numbers See this is what happened

This is what this dress did Now I gotta reconsider everything Son of a bitch You might want to study that tonight That picture and see if you see the the truth you need to do the same ask sam i want to get sam's opinion too sam has a brain so she sees blue and black okay so she's definitely golden white all right see you guys tomorrow that's the show see ya Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Woo-hoo! Thank you. Thank you.