The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 725 - Feel The Beat With Pete Sweeney, Tom E. Curran, Kelsey Conway, & Mary Kay Cabot, Plus Chuck Pagano, Shaquem Griffin, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 24, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night's third episode of Hard Knocks and how going back to the Dan Campbell well was the correct decision. Joining the show for the Feel The Beat segment is Pete Sweeney from Kansas City Chiefs training camp (18:05-27:25), Tom E. Curran with the Patriots (27:25-39:08), Kelsey Conway with the Bengals (40:30-48:04), and Mary Kay Cabot with the Browns (49:24-56:03). Next, Coach Chuck Pagano joins the show to chat about how much of the final roster is set at this point in training camp, to break down some film that has the internet buzzing this week, and make a big announcement about the coming NFL season (1:15:56-1:44:36). Later, 4 year NFL veteran at Defensive Back, 5th round pick of the Seattle Seahawks, Emmy Winner, and motivational speaker, Shaquem Griffin joins the progrum to chat about his retirement from the NFL, now being a full-time motivational speaker, and the upcoming movie that he's developing (1:52:30-2:05:43). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. It is Feel the Beat Wednesday, August 24th, 2022. And this sports show shall begin right now. Football! Is all the way back. Yeah. We are in the middle of storylines, in drama, and the NFL season is just a few days away. Well, just a couple weeks away from being right in front of us on an everyday basis.

The offseason was long. The offseason was strong. There was litigation. There was bullshit. Then preseason started. And preseason seemed like it was a bunch of excitement. Then we realized, hey, these are USFL guys playing against each other.

But now we're going into the final week of preseason games. And most of the starters are playing around the NFL. We should be able to get a taste of what teams will look like. We should be able to get a taste of what NFL football should look like. We should be able to get a taste of what this season should bring. Just like we do with Hard Knocks every single Tuesday night at 10 p.m. Eastern on HBO. Last night's episode did not disappoint. Not that the episode two stunk. Not saying episode two stunk. Of course not. Because

I would watch Hard Knocks if it did stink because of the amount of access and the way they go about painting the story. They're the Scorseses of football, the Scorseses of sports, NFL films. So I always enjoy Hard Knocks. Episode two, next to no MCDC. Next to no Deuce Daly. Last night, we're all the way back into the MCDC crowd. We're all the way back into the Deuce Daly moments, even when he lost his voice. Loved watching their team bounce back from different moments.

I thought Josh Adams, the comedian, fucking crushed it. Going into a very tough room and absolutely killed it. I thought last night's episode of Hard Knocks was fantastic. Let's see how the toxic table felt. At Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor. Ty, we'll start with you because you do have, like, what, a degree in film or something like that. Last night's episode was awesome. Yeah, it was great.

It was great. Like we said, not enough MCDC last week. I mean, we still got, you know, a couple nice sound bites from him. But it's almost like they kind of, you know, I don't want to say heeded our advice because everyone has been saying that. It's like, hey, this guy's unbelievable. We need to see more of him. And it didn't feel like they shoehorned it in.

Like it actually had kind of a good storyline. I wish we would have seen more from the first day of practice we were at because the defense got crushed while we were there. And then the next day the clip they showed on the show was the defense, you while we were there. And then the next day, the clip they showed on the show was the defense, you know, down at goal line, like stuff.

Yeah, exactly. I think that would have been like a nice little, but you know, again, cutting room floor, but again, MCDC was just,

you know, and deuce and deuce. Him losing his voice for the whole, you know, that whole practice. Yeah, that was awesome. Like to a group of men and they're taking him serious. practice. That was awesome. We'll do that right here, man. Bunch of bitches, man.

To a group of men, and they're taking him serious because they have to. Not only is he the assistant head coach, motherfucker was great on the football field, and he's a good coach. I think he's a great coach who commands respect. When you lose your voice and you sound like a child on a balloon, like a helium balloon, it's got to be tough, but I enjoyed

last night's episode of Boss Con. Are you a Lions fan now? I'm definitely you a Lions fan now? I'm definitely not a Lions fan in general. I mean, hey, on Sunday I wasn't there playing the Colts, or Saturday, whenever the hell they beat the Colts, which was awesome to see. Is it because you had that apple stem in your cup holder? Well, I think that kind of plays a part in it.

I think me just hating the Colts in general plays a part in it, more so now the fact that they're leaving rotten. Is that about it? For now. You hate the Colts? For now. But when they're leaving, you know, rotten apples inside the place where you're supposed to be sitting, that's not a really great, that's not a great sign.

But no, it was cool to see the Lions. I'm glad that they're treating everyone, even the preseason ones like the Super Bowl, because I feel like you have to prepare for that type of mentality. They've lost the last eight. Yeah, they have. because I feel like you have to prepare for that type of mentality. They've lost the last eight. Yeah, they have. And, you know, if we know anything about the Lions in the preseason, it really doesn't transfer over because last time they went 0-16,

they went 4-0 in the preseason. So I don't know if they're trying to go 0-3 in this preseason, 0-4, whatever the hell it is. Yeah, so the win might have been a bummer, actually. They were celebrating it because it was a positive because you're turning the corner, getting the stink out, maybe getting it. See all this dust, man? Yeah. See all this dust, man? Yeah. See all this dirt, man?

All this grind, man? I think he could have elaborated a little bit more, and maybe he didn't. They cut it out. He should have been saying that the dust and dirt in the pants is just like false start penalties, missed assignments, you know, for not knowing where to go, bad throws, not having ball security, anything like that. I don't know if he did dive into that in the actual speech and he cut it out or he just got so excited and just got past it and said, need to get to the Doss, man.

And he did it, but had everybody's attention in there. Oh, yeah. Now, when all the cocaine smoke went up into the sky and obviously it's dust, not cocaine, and he ends up on his face and then starts drifting, the cloud starts drifting towards the team. Like, he's lucky I'm not in there. Because, like, if I was there, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, I could make a fool thing.

He has that team's though. Oh, yeah. He has that team's attention. I think we all see. And Aiden Hutchinson, what a home run. Certified dog. It does. I think it makes me so happy.

I was nervous about it because Lions always fuck this stuff up. Aiden is a dog. Yeah, it feels like he is. It feels like he's going to be a guy that's going to work. He's not going to get too comfortable or complacent. He understands that there's a bigger legacy on the line, even if our team doesn't win as many games as we had hoped this upcoming season. He's going to keep getting better.

I fucking loved Aiden Hutchinson. I liked MCDC. I don't know. I liked all of Hard Knocks. I don't know if this is going to translate to being winner of the NFC North. Sure, no. But I am enjoying the hell out of becoming a Lions fan slowly every single Tuesday. My favorite thing with Aiden Hutchinson is coach. Antone digs one half of the hammer. Damn.

Cowboys. His coach is coming up to him and them telling him how relieved they are that he's an actual guy. All former players, by the way. Yeah, he's like. All these coaches are former players coming up to him and being like. Because they know. They've seen it. We've all seen a lot of young guys coming.

That's why I think you ask any ex-player how they would make their team. Oh, I'm paying money to all the vets. Yeah. Prove that they can make it in the men's league. And then I'm just – if we draft a couple rookies that are good, we're good. So Aaron Glenn going up to him and everybody else, basically, they've seen it. They've been around.

Hey, we are so fucking lucky that you are the guy shows up seems to have great attention to detail laughs at himself doesn't take himself too serious because josh adams said is that backstreet boy hilarious that guy really crushed it but he did he should be very proud of himself not that not that he does it normally an nfl locker room is not an easy one to go into especially if you're from out and not in him he crushed it in there but aiden showcased who type of person he is in there as well i think as he's being mocked in front of the whole crowd laugh and work hard i love that they all recognize that and now what does that mean for after he has one good year will he ever you know rest on his yawnies we don't think so no but what a fucking home run for the lions let's hope his career don't get wasted yeah last night was great because run for the Lions. Let's hope his career doesn't get wasted.

Last night was great because you had that that checked off the list. You had Rodrigo fucking cracking skulls checked off the list. And you had a lot of MCDC and Deuce. It was a great fucking episode. I saw some people saying, this year I don't feel as connected to... All positive, by the way. I checked the internet. I checked Hard Knocks and I checked Dan Campbell.

He was trending. And I checked some other things. Normally you'd see mixed reviews on everything. Especially with a personality checked Dan Campbell. He was trending and I checked some other things. Normally you'd see mixed reviews on everything, especially with a personality like Dan Campbell. I assume he has experienced a lot of people who just hate him immediately because of his presentation and how he speaks and everything. Right. I was checking Twitter live. Not that that is the indicator of everything because there's probably two

to 3 million people watching and you have, if you have 5,000 people tweeting about something on a timeline, that could feel like a lot. But in the grand scheme of people that are actually watching, that ain't fucking shit. But it's a good sample size. It's a good focus group that you can kind of go. I don't think you should change your vision because of what people tweet.

But if something's overwhelmingly being talked about, it should certainly go into how you address the next episode. For instance, there are some companies, and we've seen them, who have completely changed the way they go about doing business because of a small sector of people on Twitter that have bullied them into thinking what they're doing is wrong. Can't do that. Have to have enough willpower. Have to have enough mental strength to battle through a small group of people. Because even if a couple hundred people are tweeting you something, that's a of scrolls and it can get a little bit immense almost but when the grand

scheme of thing multiple millions of people and a couple hundred people are saying it like you you know you have to take it into account but you can't change your entire fucking business strategy because of it hard knocks i think they you know not only from us but others heard that hey loud and clear we don't know how long this guy's going to be a fucking head coach. We are never going to have this type of access to this dude ever again. If he goes on to be a super successful coach, by the way, they will look back on this footage about what he was whenever he first started. I mean, there is one of one happening at a head coaching position in Detroit Lions.

That's fucking Dan Campbell. Let's go to it. I searched the last thing. All positive on Dan Campbell. Fucking love this guy. Hard knocks. All positive on him. I searched the last thing, all positive on Dan Campbell. Fucking love this guy. Hard knocks, all positive on him. I'm like,

okay, that never happens. They got to be pumped that NFL films about last night. I was going to say, for your Twitter thing, I think Twitter's inherently negative a lot of the time.

So if everyone's on the same side in this focus group in a positive fashion, you should definitely look at it. You should think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a lot easier just think about humans and how they act and i'm always i think if you listen to

this show i'm a big intrigued why humans do what humans do thing absolutely i think more so than most shows i'm a big like well we can assume that this type of human who has these types of traits is probably going to do this if this then this to tweet something normally about something they're watching it's either going to be love. Much easier, though, to not like something and say, I need to get this out of here and boom. If you just like something, people aren't going to say shit. Like the overwhelming group of people that like something,

and I deal with this, I think, with SmackDown every single Friday night. If somebody likes something, they're probably not going to feel urged to go to their phone. If they love something, they're going to say it. And if they don't. If they love something, they're going to say it. And if they don't like something or hate something, they're going to say it. So that's two for the negative in don't like and hate, and only one for the positive in love as opposed to like, being represented on Twitter.

So you have to take that into account. But, God damn, it was an overwhelmingly positive social media experience for Hard Knocks last night. And this is why I keep saying wins or losses, I don't care. Keep Dan Campbell forever because the Lions have sucked forever so we finally have a guy that everyone likes and everyone roots for, so I don't care. Foxy, they got Hard Knocks in three years from now and they haven't won

a fucking game yet. Yeah. And Dan Campbell's not going to be as positively... No. He won't be as positive on the Twitter. Still love him though. Yeah, I mean you'll still love him for what he did here, but if they don't win some games for the next four years, it's not going to be the same reaction if Hard Knocks comes back to town, which, by the way, you guys would be up for every single year, basically,

because you don't make the playoffs. I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm just saying that is potential in the future. And we were talking about that. That's what makes this season awesome. We win five games. Everyone's pumped still. You tell me.

Five or six. I think everyone's still pumped, and then we go into next year thinking... And then the third year's like, hey, okay, gotta get to eight, nine games. He's had enough time to build the culture. He's had enough time to bring his guys in. I think the way he speaks resonates with players, though.

For sure. All of them, right? You would know. I honestly... Would you just watch? Like, just watch the room. That's one of the best parts about Hard Knocks is whenever you do the behind shot and it shows the entire room

and everybody probably keys in on the first couple rows because of whoever they try to find a star. I'm looking directly to, where's the D line at? I'm going to go look at, they're in the back.

They're normally back right is where the D line is or back left maybe. It depends on the team. I'm going right to there to see how many people are leaning back on this. Any of these going out here. Like the fuck this guy type stuff. And it feels like the Lions are all in.

Even with the ridiculous absurd shit that MCTC has been. He had them do 40 up downs before practice. That's an easy way to lose an entire fucking roster. But instead, his big ass is doing them with them. I don't want to do it. We got to do it, man and i don't want to do it we gotta do it man i don't want to do it we have to man last night 10 mans in the first speech he gave oh yeah it's glorious my wife started counting she was like we should do because everybody's like drink every time he says man and uh it's a little late night at obviously 10 p.m eastern and she wasn't talking while he was talking i was laughing i was like

yeah it's an interesting way to go and she looks at me she goes 10 mans in that just 10 minutes in that first speech or whatever i'm like that'd be more yeah but it is his go-to that is his even in the middle of the game he's talking to a group come on man yeah oh yeah it was it's he's fucking awesome we need him in our group need one of him in every group friend group i think people would love that and we knew mcdc would be great on the show i didn't know how much i'd love deuce daly though deuce daly's fucking awesome also the linebackers coach champion that's all i'm putting right into his chin i love that yeah i can't believe they put that up there yeah aj by the way when aj comes on in 45 minutes let's assume he's gonna be like you see that first thing yeah ship said

that's nfl linebacker coach that's on me. He's just a good player. Shep's a good player, which he was. I was teammates with him. Loved in the locker room, Calvin Shepard. Liked the way he coaches, too. Seems like all these players that are coaches have a, you know. They did showcase Brunel talking to Blau. Yes.

And he kind of buried the receiver, but he was trying to hype up his guy. Yeah. So I didn't love that they put that out there because I don't think Brunel. The pimp? Yeah, exactly. Guy's got to make a play for you. That's very real, but that's Brunel trying to hype up the quarterback as opposed to say anything about pimp, and they kept it in there.

So that was one line that I remember thinking back. Brunel probably wishes they didn't have that because Brunel probably likes pimp, probably likes him. He was just saying that to his player to be like, hey, good ball. That guy's got to fucking make a play for you. But now it's nationally projected. So it's like, hey, it's Mark Brunel bearing this guy. It's like, no, he was trying to hype up his guy.

So there's a little bit of that, you know, a little bit of that going on. Yeah. And to your point about like watching the players, like it was awesome when Deuce Daly was doing his little speech to the running backs after practice, having his voice all messed up. Mickey Moss. Yeah, because they really were just shooting Swift, Williams, a lot of those guys who were going to be on the team. And you could tell they were all like, oh, yeah,

definitely have to heed what Deuce is saying right now. Jamal is still baby face? I don't know. Not after last night. That was a little much. Yeah. I mean, he gave a 45-minute. That was a little much. Yeah. A little much. He gave a 45-minute speech after practice day three, training camp.

Looked at the camera. Listen, everybody at Green Bay that I know likes this guy. Yeah, for sure. So I've tried not to bury him because I'm sure he's a great guy. He's worked really hard. Plays for the fucking Lions. So there's no reason to do that. The two- minute speech after day

three, looking at the camera while he's doing it, we should have cooked him then. I should have cooked him. I should have been a little bit more, you know, real about what we really thought of that. Chuck tried to bring it in. Chuck was like, cuz, cuz. Let's save that for

like, you know, halftime, whenever we actually need it or something like that. But I understand he was just trying to bring the juice, you know? For sure. After last night's episode, Zaire fucking bullied him. Yeah, he did. Okay? And then he's talking to Shaq Leonard, who's defensive MVP.

You gonna put your pants on? All right, he had a nerve surgery. By the way, he still beat your fucking ass, Jamal. I hate to break it to you. Oh, yeah. If he was to go out there in the clothes that he was wearing with no cleats, fresh off of this back nerve surgery that he had to help out his ankle, he would

still lock your fucking ass down, Jamal. I just think I enjoy his energy. He turned heel on me last night. I don't know if everybody else felt that way or just me because I have a certain feeling about the Indianapolis Colts. Well, he lost those reps, right? Like a lot of those reps. Yes.

Why is he talking so much? I love that. Deuce is hilarious. Deuce. I tell that motherfucker like a lot of those reps yes we also gave like why is he talking so much four or five kids concussions in the stands when he was whipping oh Deuce is hilarious Deuce I tell that motherfucker he's gonna hurt a kid yeah gonna have a chip

in his back pocket Deuce Daly has become babyface yes I think with everybody MCDC obviously babyface Aiden Hutchinson babyface Rodrigo babyface

right Shepard even Kelvin Shepard babyface in there but I think honestly I think Jamal had a heel turn last night. And I didn't know if it was just me going like, fuck this guy. Shut up.

Yeah. I don't think so. I mean, it was because, again, like, you could argue one way, like, the average football fan who's watching that maybe isn't thinking right away, like, oh, he lost those reps. But, like, what you're does doesn't equate to like how he's celebrating how he's john afterwards it's like dude if you're doing all that shit you know you expect him to be moss and dudes or you know shaking them or whatever it's like that's not the case you just look like a moron well and he was in a full costume the day after episode one on nfl

films so it's uh so we hate that guy it's a string of things yeah i like i'm sure people like him i've never met him. I'm sure he's good. I am just going strictly off the movie character he has been in my life from watching him. He looked like a fucking ass last night on Hard Knocks. Is that the only thing we can talk about? Negative-wise? Yeah, I think so.

Why isn't Brunel saying he's got to make a play for you? Which Brunel, once again, was not planning on Pimp or his family hearing that or a guy's working his ass off he's just trying to lift his player aside from that i think home run episode yeah i just didn't like that he uh like it's fine to chirp after the drill like don't i hate when you take your helmet off to do it if that makes sense to anybody yeah you keep your helmet on yeah because you're not thinking there's gonna be a fight if you take your helmet off you are just doing the strictly to a little spotlight on yourself no not only that but you this is to be a fight if you take your helmet off. You are just doing the strictly to. A little spotlight on yourself. No, not only that, but this is just bullshit.

Like if you take your helmet off, you know that there's going to be no interaction. There's going to be no physical education. So you're just. And Zaire looked awesome. Him punting that football, by the way. Yeah. Picking it up. His immediate reaction.

Fuck you right in his face. The Colts baby face last night, I think. Yeah. Jamal, the only bad guy. I think the only guy that really lost in the entire episode. But he'll come back next week. Yeah, exactly. He'll come back.

He had a sick do-rag on. Sure. Yeah. I enjoyed the do-rag. It's old school. I think people enjoyed that. Everybody's just assuming he's made the team. Is that right?

Yeah. He's back. He's back. Yeah? Yeah. See? They paid him. It would be awesome.

I do understand the Jamal stuff and even the easy stuff, the lineman who's been in America for seven years. But can we learn about Panay Sewell? Can we learn about Ragnow, Decker, like the guys on the team on the offensive line? Yeah, let's not take too much time away from MCDC. Agreed. Okay, there's a way to balance it in. I thought NFL Films did a great job.

Good work to the whole crew. All right, you know what time it is. It's time Films did a great job. Good work to the whole crew. Hell yeah. Great job, NFL Films. All right, you know what time it is. It's time for us to dive a little bit deeper into the stories. It's time to go into the weeds of these teams. It is time to feel the beat. Ooh. We're all kind of feeling our own beats at this point. Do any of us know what that actual...

Nope, no. We'll tell you. For the last two weeks, we have covered up as soon as that. Can we run that one more time just so we can hear what the potential beat is? Okay, so we found the beat there. Now we shall feel the beat. Where we go to beat writers from around the NFL and ask them what's really going on with their teams. Because they have boots on the ground. Joining us first, beat writer for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lead writer for Arrowhead Pride. He's also Chiefs analyst for KSHB41. Hell yeah. What is this? News channel in Kansas City. They're on your side. It's the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Pete Sweeney.

Yeah, Pete! Pete, what up, baby? How's it going? Hello from Kansas City. Hey, we appreciate you joining us. Did I say that right? KSHB41? That's right.

That's right. And 610 Sports Radio as well. I'm doing it all. Trying to do my best here. Hey, we appreciate you joining us. You know you're a busy man. Yeah, yeah. Not a lot of chatter about the Kansas City Chiefs this year

from the national standpoint. Kind of alarming because you guys still have Patrick Mahomes, still have Andy Reid, still have Travis Kelsey. No Tyreek Hill. In comes Juju Smith-Schuster. How's the offense looking, and what is the word around town about how they're going to replace somebody like the cheetah, Pete Sweeney? Well, you know what?

It's crazy. I think it's weird that Kansas City has really found itself under the radar they're going to replace somebody like the cheetah, Pete Sweeney. Well, you know what? It's crazy. I think it's weird that Kansas City has really found itself under the radar when they have Patrick Mahomes. And before Juju Smith-Schuster injured his knee a couple weeks ago, he's sort of been mysteriously out of practice and didn't play in the last preseason game. But they were purring. I mean, the offense looked pretty good,

and I think the pressure is off Patrick a little bit to get the ball to Tyree Kill and I think you're going to see him spreading it around a lot last preseason game he hit eight different receivers they got a new seventh round running back in in town the tight ends look really strong behind Travis Kelsey and they don't get a lot of love Jody Fortson Noah Gray so I think the pressure is off Pat and he's still the best quarterback through five years ever. And somehow I think the Chiefs are under the radar behind the Bills and the Bengals, and they probably shouldn't be. And that's kind of where I see them right now.

I respect you saying that. Now we'll get Sal Capaccio on in the future and see what he thinks about what you just said about the Bills and the Bengals. You know, obviously two young teams, obviously teams that have had a lot of success, but nobody's really had the success that the Kansas City Chiefs had over the last couple of years. Kind of a turnover error there, right? Tyron Matthew out as well.

What's the defensive side of the ball looking like, Pete? You know what? They have Justin Reed, who came in town from the Houston Texans, similar to what Tyron did, and he's really took the leadership role. Juan Thornhill is another player that really isn't as nationally known. He has looked really good. And they drafted five defensive backs. And the defensive backs coach during training camp had this gem.

He's like, I'm calling these guys the Fab Five. And there are these five defensive backs the Chiefs drafted. They like them so much, they got rid of DeAndre Baker and Lonnie Johnson. And everyone knows about Trent McDuffie, who's the first rounder. But the hidden gem right now in Kansas City is this fourth rounder from an HBCU named Joshua Williams. And he's a little bit taller. McDuffie's a little bit undersized. And you could make a case right now, and this is sort of, I guess, boots on the ground type of thing,

that Williams may have looked better even, I I think than McDuffie during training camp and it's just something to watch because Rashad Fenton has another groin injury right now and so Steve Spagnuolo doesn't like to play young players and he's gonna have to with this team okay I want to before the boys have a couple questions for you Pete I want to bounce back to the offensive side Juju's all the way back because I saw a tweet what yesterday Juju's back and they like him is that that what's taking place or is that wrong? So he's got a sore knee and we don't anticipate him to play in the next preseason game either. And so what happens after this preseason game Thursday night, Chiefs Packers at Arrowhead, is there's a huge dark period. So I think the hope in the building and outside the building, especially in Kansas City, because this is now your number one

receiver behind Kelsey, is that he's okay by then, but we really won't get an update to that Wednesday before what would be the week one game. And so it's a wait-and-see type thing. We'll see if Juju's practicing next week. There is slight optimism, but it's his knee, and he's had knee problems before. So we're a little bit worried, I think, here in Kansas City about his status.

And then MBS mysteriously mispracticed yesterday as well so right now the top two receivers as it stands are sky more a rookie and justin watson a cast off from tampa bay uh but three weeks before the first game against the cardinals sal capaccio and uh beat writer for the bangles would say we got stefan fucking digs over here and uh cincinnati would say, we got Stefan fucking Diggs over here. And Cincinnati would say, we got Jamar Chase. So that might be why it's flying under the radar, I guess. But anytime you got Patrick Mahomes, you're just going to assume the team's going to go, including Travis Kelsey, who, although tight end,

the leader of what, touchdowns, receptions, and yards, I think, over the last like 10 years or something like that. Go ahead, Tom Diggs, your question for Pete Sweeney. Pete, building off of that, so say everyone's healthy. Healthy, sorry. MVS, McCall Hardman, Juju, Sky Moore. Who is, like, who do you think's going to be the number one wide receiver?

This is for prop bets and fantasy football, Pete, so let's fucking get this right. Yeah, come on, Pete. Let's get this right, Pete. Well, if you're going in fantasy football terms, as far as the first couple rounds go, you can't go wrong with Travis Kelsey. He eats sleep 1,000 yards, right? Like, you know it's going to be Kelsey.

We know Pete. We know receiver Pete. Next is Juju. I would say Juju. Now, you've got to watch the injury thing. You know, if you're drafting soon, I'm not really sure about this knee. No one really knows. I did hear him.

He was walking down to training camp, and he was talking with the fan. The fan's like, how's the knee? And he goes, it's getting better. And so obviously there's something wrong there, but we just have not seen him. But I assume that Juju will be healthy by week one. We have a lot of days until the regular season. So if you're looking at like a yardage split, I think it's going to go Kelsey. I think it's going to go Juju.

MBS will be next. McCole Hartman and Sky Moore are doing a lot of things out of the backfield. So they might not be there necessarily as receiving yards go, but yards from scrimmage, they're probably next. And then if any of those guys get nicked up, Mahomes really likes this Watson guy. So if you enter a week and you're in a pinch, this is probably like week four, week five, and say MBS isn't playing, I think Watson is going to have some

sneaky games in there. So just keep him in mind if you need a streamer. Are you a fantasy guy? You are. Yeah. I do fantasy football stuff as well. I know people really care about the Chiefs that are not in Kansas City, especially when it comes to these skill guys. So that's why

I try to keep everyone updated. Pete, great break, guys. Go ahead, Connor. Pete, I not in kansas city and i still don't give a damn about the chiefs but when it comes to their running back don't worry about this asshole this guy what is it chiefs colts week three right okay uh pete when you just mentioned the running back though the seventh rounder uh is this clyde edwards hilaire's kind of like last year to be the guy, or is it just going to be more of a stable going forward for Kansas City? Well, Clyde will leave the preseason as the guy week one, but I wonder, you know, you're asking,

is he going to be the guy for the next year? Is he going to be the guy for the next couple weeks? I mean, I think Isaiah Pacheco has the potential to take that spot midway through the season if Clyde is not going to get done again. They are very high on Pacheco in the building. Speak. When it comes to short yardage, he's left some room for improvement, and he's been a little injury prone these last couple years.

And there is some comps, and I've talked to people with the team, for Pacheco to be like a Kareem Hunt like they had a few years ago. Now we'll see if he has that contact balance. It remains to be seen. He had a vision issue. A play was going around Kansas City. But, I mean, it's a young player getting used to the NFL. The Chiefs are telling him to be patient.

But, man, I think he'd be the starting running back before the end of the year. Hey, that was a classic, like, Skycam shot. He chose to do this when this was open thing. Right, right, the Skycam. And he should have waited for the secondary block by the offensive lineman and didn't see it. But, I mean, he was playing with Rutgers' offensive line last year. I mean, this is the NFL.

So now you can, like, think Le'Veon Bell. You can be a little bit more patient. And so the Chiefs are telling him, okay, you know, you have the skills. We believe in you, but you you got to be more patient back. This is the NFL. Sorry about that. All right. How many games do you think Chiefs win this year?

Right. They don't want 11. Everybody's going to say they suck. Yeah, no, I think it's, I think it's 11 and six. This is my, this is my way too early prediction. I think the Chiefs win their division because they're beating up on each other. And they probably like the number three seed in the AFC.

I think 11-6, 12-5 feels right. I'm still not used to these 17-game records, but I think that feels right just considering the division is by far the best in football. You know what feels right? Feel the beat. We can't thank you enough, Pete, for joining us. You were awesome. Ladies and gentlemen, Pete Sweeney.

Pete! It is time to – I mean, I love this segment. Yeah. It's all you learned. Hey, Pete was awesome. Yeah. How about Juju, number two, MVS, number three, McColl Hartman coming out of the backfield?

Yeah, what's that? I thought McColl was the guy. As soon as Tyreek goes out, let's plug McColl in because he did that with the return game. I just assumed that was going to be the case. Andy Reid said, uh-uh, not so fast. We're not running the same shit. We don't have a cheat odd.

And nationally, all you hear about is the second round picks or Sky Moore, who's the rookie or whatever. Fourth round guy. Yeah, the corner. Yeah, got it. From the HBCU. I almost said, Pete, what does HBCU stand for? That would have been a little fucked up. You know what I mean? That would have been hysterical if he said

he's a guy from the HBCU college. I almost said, Pete, get rid of me this way. What does HBCU college I almost said Pete HBCU Go ahead Pete Get rid of me this What is HBCU I'm assuming you would have got it right

Pete was very very good Dialed in That was awesome I can't thank him enough It's time to continue to Feel the beat This is an unprecedented segment. What?

Hell yeah. Yeah, where we talk to beat writers. First time ever? For unprecedented. People are throwing that word around nowadays, and it doesn't mean anything, I guess. You know, whenever you throw words like unprecedented around when something has been precedented,

you fucking ruin what unprecedented means. You know, like everything's great, it's about time, this is unprecedented. This is unprecedented. Yes, it is. And when it was precedented the first time, You know, like, everything's great. It's about time. This is unprecedented. This is unprecedented. Yes, it is. And when it was precedented the first time, this man was our first guest, I do believe. That's right.

Ladies and gentlemen, from New England, NBC Sports Boston, the Patriots and Raiders are currently doing joint practices. Hell yeah. Friend of the show, friend of the program, beat writer and follower, reporter for the Patriots, Tom E. Curran. Hey, Tommy! Hey! What are you doing? Hey, you're in Vegas covering a joint practice, yeah?

Well, yeah. Yeah, you are. You can hear the slot machines. Yeah. Not exactly. Okay? I'm a reporter. Our guy Phil Perry's out there on the ground,

but he is feeding me all intel. They need me in the studio, Patrick. Do you think maybe this was like, hey, Phil's a little younger, a little better. Is this like a force out? Yeah, we can't trust him.gs. He might go a little wild. He might be the guy who ends up in a bathtub full of ice without his kidney. Okay.

All right, all right, all right. Well, I'm happy that's on you. Let's dive into it. There's more information coming out of the Patriots camp. Obviously, Bill Belichick is choosing to speak to the media how he always has chosen to speak to the media, but we've gotten some information. I believe it was the Greg Hill show in which he said, like, hey, I'm in charge of everything.

It's kind of, I obviously am on top of everything. Is that kind of the way you understand after watching practices through training camp? Is Bill calling the offense right now? And how excited are you for that? He's not. Fuck that. Matt Patricia is.

He's kind of, he's the overlord of the offense. And the gist of, he's the overlord of the offense. And the gist of what he's saying with, hey, it's basically the buck stops with me. So if you guys want to start carving up anybody, whether it be Matt Patricia or Joe Judge, Matt Patricia is basically the play caller right now. We'll see if he's the offensive coordinator per se, but he is the one who's play-calling, and this is an important game coming up Friday against the Raiders, but Bill's saying, look, don't blame them. This is my idea.

This is my idea to put in an entirely new offense with two guys who haven't coached offense in a long time, neither of whom have ever been offensive play-callers, but don't blame them for it. It's on me. There is never anything that's not fascinating about this team patrick yeah i concur

and look going into the season it was a big storyline as the season has started here it has continued to be a storyline and what bill belichick was saying hey don't blame jason whitton because he couldn't get words out of his mouth ever again blame the person that hired jason whitton to be the Monday Night Football commentator. It almost ruined his entire legacy. You guys want to attack Matt, Patricia, and Joe? No offense, I love Jason Witten, but that fucking guy should not have been put on Monday Night Football. I have never heard one person utter so many words and say absolutely nothing.

God bless a great tight end. He was unbelievable in football. People forgot how good at football he was. He had to come back and play at the age of like 50. So people would be like, hey, remember, I'm still a fucking guy. But the person that put him in the booth, like that's the person that should have been like, hey, that's on me. Never happened, by the way.

That person has pitched other ideas to people, and those people have remembered that. Did you? Wait a minute. Okay, it's going to be tough to take you serious so you need to remember that when you are talking to me but this is a quote from Matt Jones about Matt Patricia it feels like things are going well Mike Giordi when asked about Matt Patricia as a play caller Matt Jones said of Patricia he's one of the most brilliant people I've ever been around

in terms of football knowledge hopefully you can grow for a a long time. First couple weeks, the offense sucked. The offensive line wasn't blocking anybody. Things looked out of sorts. How has it looked since then? And are they growing? Are they getting better? It seems like Mac's very comfortable and very confident in what they're doing. I think he wants to, Mac meaning, wants to just chart a course and stay with it.

He doesn't want this ambiguousness that's been going on. No, it was horrible yesterday in Las Vegas from all reports. I got Phil Perry on the ground there and the other reporters who were there said it was their worst practice of the summer offensively. And that has been – there have been some bad ones. I mean, we've seen practices where they just really could not get any traction. It took until the very end of practice when they looked good in their two-minute drill for anything good to come out of it.

So it's not going well, but I think that Matt Jones is – here's the interesting thing. You've obviously played. The buy-in component that the team covets is coming from Matt Jones. He's all in. He's trying to stiff upper lip it and go right through it. But it's getting ugly for some of the results, which is going to cause some grumbling, I think, among other players. We're like, why are we doing this again?

We were pretty good with the McDaniels thing. Well, McDaniels got paid a lot of money and is now the head coach of his own place. And I don't think there's going to be a lot of players grumbling around New England. You know, Belichick's resume warrants, hey, we're going to listen to what this guy does. If he was a Joe Judge or a Matt Patricia who was trying to do something as a head coach and it didn't work out, players immediately go, oh, this fucking guy just showed up on an ATV with a fucking broken ankle because he's all boozed up.

He's trying to get the fuck out of here. But now, I think with Bill, you might know more than me. Is there ever grumblings from the team whenever Bill Belichick's leading the team? There is? Publicly or no? Not publicly, no. But I do think that, look, there has been an outflow of coaches. There's been an outflow of personnel people.

There's been an outflow of players, whether it be Gronkowski or Brady or Amandola or Chris Long or the number of players that we've heard express, yeah, you know what, it's really hard there. It's not ideal. I mean, the Gronkowski and Amendola comments about being liberated from New England, you know, Brady's comments about it, I think we don't see it in real time, grumblings, right? But you hear it afterwards. And, you know, Brady's was more linked to personnel and the guys around him that he felt tethered to.

And, hey, I'm giving you a huge amount of a discount on my salary and where we spend the money. We don't have anybody to throw to. That was his agitation. Now the scheme changed. These guys know the scheme changed, Pat. a discount on my salary and where we spend the money we don't have anybody to throw to that was his agitation so you're not saying you're saying these guys know the scheme change pat yeah you're saying understand that the guys who are putting it in aren't the same people who you would look to to be offensive geniuses they can't miss it tom you're saying that if there is grumblings we'll never hear it but it's certainly happening and history tells us that there has been grumblings that have happened within a building. We've just never known about it.

100%. Yeah, okay, got it. Connor has a question for you, Tom. Yeah, Tommy, with the new offense and the no fullback, is it likely that Damian Harris might get moved, especially with Ramondre Stevenson kind of looking like more of a guy this camp? I think Belichick loves the 150 carries for each back type thing. I don't think Damian Harris will get moved.

It is the last year of his deal. You're right. He was a 15-touchdown guy last year. He had some relevance elsewhere. But the interesting thing, Connor, is when you have a team right now that's taking on water in its training camp and its joint practices, if you start lopping guys off, whether it be Nelson Aguilar dealing him because of his salary at this point

or Isaiah Wynn with his $10 million or Damian Harris, that is setting a precedent for guys to go, what are we doing? I mean, they traded Shaq Mason. They didn't re-sign Ted Karras. These are not the best players in the league. These guys suck. They can't be doing that right now. Hey, Tom, does this team stink?

Yeah, doom and gloom. Does this team going to stink this year? Connor, you always – I mean, every time I come on, what do you think? It's going to be different every time I come on. They're like, hey, he's got it down on this team. No, I mean, yesterday we actually did talk about how the Raiders practiced. We knew that was very bad. You knew it was ass? Yeah, we knew it

was ass. We talked about it. I mean, Josh knows everything they're going to do. What do you want? True. There's that and, you know, completely new offense. There's going to be growing pains. We started 2-4 last year. Like, I don't think there's any doom and gloom until you get to, you know, week 8, week 9 and they haven't turned it around. Hey, the Calvary ain't coming around the mountain.

That was a long time ago. That's what you said a couple years ago. It feels like you feel the same way about this year. Is that right? This year is a rebuild. Oh, shit. I said that last year. Oh, no, Tom.

A flat-out rebuild. They're tight to the cap. They're putting in a new offense. The guys they have putting in the offense are getting assimilated to how to run an offense. You got Joe Judge apprenticing as an offensive coordinator. It's next year. They got a crap ton of cap space, and they're going to go bananas buying guys. All right, Tom.

Last thing before we get out of here with this. They might win, what, seven games, Tom? Eight games? They're lucky. We got an 8-9-10 situation right now. 8-9-10? That now. 8-9-10? That gets it done. Connor, you know that.

No, Connor, no. Is my picture really fuzzy? It looks like it. No, on your end it might be fuzzy. On ours, you look great. Before we get you out of here and get you back to your coverage of what happened here, a video was just sent in. Quick slants, this is your show up there on NBC.

Oh, yeah. This is my highly entertaining show. See, and I just wanted them to throw me a football on the way out. What's up, everybody? How you doing? Throw it. Throw it. How's it going? How you doing? Okay, just a horrible throw. Oh, I was doing something. What's going on, everybody? How you been? That was a low throw. I was doing something. I mean, they only get worse. Hey, what's going on everybody? How you been?

Low ball. That was a low ball. Good hands. Wow. He's just all over it. We wanted higher. Now watch this. We were told not to throw footballs,

but they almost threw it on my god damn head. Did you do it on purpose? It's not funny. Hey, how's it going, everybody? Watch this, though. Get him up. Wow. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, this guy. Get this guy out of there. We have a good time.

We had laughs. I'm not talking Mike Ducker. It's terrible. Hey, you're the best. We appreciate you so much. Every time you come on, you make our world better, and Connor's worse. So that's a win. We appreciate you.

All right, Patrick. Thank you, Connor. Guys, see you. Thanks so much for having me. Ladies and gentlemen, NBC Sports, Boston's Tommy Curran. I thought you were going to get one final shot in there on Tommy Curran, who just ruins your life every time he comes on here. I won't get that shot until later in the season when we don't sing.

But, yeah, I've been back and forth the past two weeks. Last week, oh, we're going to be 12-5. This week, oh, we're going to be 5-12. And it's probably going to keep going that way until it's week four, week five, possibly even week one we might be 5-12. And this is why going to keep going that way until it's week 4, week 5, possibly even week 1 we might be 5-12. And this is why I feel the beat is such a big deal. Because I didn't have that feel. I just assumed Bill's going to figure it out.

They got Mac Jones. If it was a problem, they would be saying it. They're going to win 10 games. That's what the Patriots do. They're going to make the playoffs, and who knows what's going to happen. It's an 8-9-10 situation. That's quite a variant. I think it's out of the playoffs, in the playoffs from that.

And he's saying they're going to be tweening their little bubble team. It's because Buffalo Bills are still in the division. But, man, I did not expect it to be that gloomy and that doomy. Full rebuild. Oh, my word. I mean, you even look back to last year, the 8-9-10. It was very close to being 6-7-8, but they won some games. And it was also very close to being 10-11-12 without a fumble against the

Dolphins week one, without an overtime loss against the Cowboys. It's always 8-9-10-11 because football, you know, there's one or two plays you can look back to. It's always there. We appreciate Tommy Curran and I guess Ian Zerstopp-Wyer as well, but it is time to continue to – it looks like it's not time to continue.

What? The beat had stopped. Oh, no. No to continue. What? The beat had stopped. Oh, no. No. Keep it going. The beat had stopped. And the beat is back. Ladies and gentlemen, let's continue to feel the beat.

We're feeling the beat around the NFL. Diving into the weeds, learning a little bit more about our favorite teams. Joining us now, first-time appearance on Feel the Beat, Bengals reporter for Inquirer, Inquirer Sports, USA Today. Ladies and gentlemen, Kelsey L. Conway. Yeah, Kelsey! Kelsey, how you doing?

Hey, guys. Good to be on with you. Hey, thank you so much for joining us. Where are you right now? Are you at practice? I'm actually in the Bengals' stadium. Oh, wow. Hey, that's the pro-courchure. PayCore.

PayCore. You can buy PayCore at Acrochure. PayCore Stadium, right? We're doing business now. We're the Cincinnati Bengals. We're making money. This is good news. It is good news.

It's been a wild training camp because i showed up thinking i'd just be covering the main football storylines and i'd say for the first two weeks it was all about what the bangles are doing from a business standpoint which was interesting indoor practice facility let's go come on now 2022 we made the super bowl let's get a facility we got a sponsored stadium because we're gonna have to save money and make money to pay the guys that we have are incredibly talented. Let's dive right into it. You broke the news, I do believe, of Jesse Bates coming back yesterday out of nowhere, signing his franchise tag and playing this year on the tender. Was there ever any worry as his holdout that he was never coming back?

Or did you get a sense that he was going to be joining the team at some point? No, everyone here, including ownership, the coaches, players thought Jesse was going to be back for the first week of the season. I will say it got a little interesting after the first preseason game, because I don't know if you guys heard, he was up in a suite wearing a Cincinnati Reds hat and he put it on Instagram. And I think everybody thought, okay, well, that means he's probably going to come back that next week. And then he didn't come back the following week. So then it was this whole, well, what was the point of that Instagram? When is he coming back?

Can they expect him to come back first to Rams? And then if he doesn't, is one week going to be enough time to get him ready to go in football shape? So, yeah, it was definitely not a worry, but things got a little interesting, let's just say, after that Instagram post. Okay, so Jesse, they're going to have to pay if they want to keep him around. And obviously Joey Burrow's deal is here a couple years out. Jamar Chase, there's just say, after that Instagram post. Okay, so Jesse, they're going to have to pay if they want to keep him around. And obviously, Joey Burrow's deal is here a couple years out. Jamar Chase, there's dogs on that team.

They paid Hendrickson. That team is getting really, really expensive quickly. Are the Bengals planning on changing course and paying everybody here the next few years and try to keep this team together from your sense of being on the ground there in Cincinnati? Well, the good news is Trey Hendrickson's deal is already in the books. I will say the biggest priority for this team is Joe Burrow, and then I will say after that, if you look back on the history of who the Bengals have prioritized in terms of long-term deals,

it's going to be T. Higgins, who's going to be up next offseason, and then Jamar Chase. So I think from my perspective, I think even though I just asked Jesse, is he looking at this season as his last season with the Bengals? He wouldn't say it. He said he's going to treat this as the most important year of his career. But I think it's highly unlikely Jesse Bates will be back with his team at the extension, at the number that he wants,

considering T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow are in line and Tee Higgins is going to be next offseason as well as Joe Burrow did they tell Paycor that Jesse Bates ain't going to be there yeah I mean you're sponsoring the stadium did they tell the indoor practice facility Jesse Bates ain't going to be around all these decisions are decisions that every team has to make at some point Joe Burrow had appendicitis aside from that we haven't really heard much out of the offense from a national standpoint. How are they looking?

Is it just like last year? Are they picking up right where they left off? Obviously a better offensive line this year than last year. Yeah, I wouldn't say they're picking back right where they left off because, like you just said, the Burrow appendectomy really threw a wrench in, I think, what everybody thought the training camp was going to be like because he missed the first two weeks in his ramp up period he wasn't really able to do a lot and then Lael Collins I think has been probably the biggest storyline that hasn't been talked

about from a national perspective is he has yet to be able to do full 11 on 11 contact stuff so for Burrow he's now having to get used to a new center, a new right guard, and a new right tackle, in which all three of them with Burrow have not been on the field in a contact situation yet during camp. Joe Burrow won't be able to figure it out. Is he the coolest dude of all time, all the time? Is that what it feels like over there? Yeah, he's pretty cool. I will say I covered Matt Ryan, who I know has been on your show a bunch, and he's a great guy. I covered him for six years, and Matt's awesome, but every time I walk into a Burrow presser,

it's a different feel than it was with Matt Ryan. I'll just say that. Well, Matt Ryan's a Navy SEAL. That's right. He's too serious sometimes. Joey Burrow's just like cool icon. Cool Joe. Smoking Joe.

Boston Connor, your question for Kelsey. Yeah, Kelsey, how is the vibe in Cincinnati? Do they feel a little disrespected that people aren't talking about them being favorites in the division or going back to the Super Bowl? Or do they like that underdog chip-on-the-shoulder mentality? I think they like the underdog chip-on-the-shoulder mentality. And I'll tell you, for the first time in years, the stadium sold out all their season tickets.

And that just happened right after they made that postseason run. So I think that's kind of telling of how excited and starved this fan base is for some quality football at Peg Horse Stadium that in one offseason, they managed to up their season tickets to the point that they're sold out. So I think they kind of like that nobody really expects them to be what they are. And it is interesting to me, and Pat, I love your take on this, but why do you think the Bills have become such the AFC favorite over the Bengals when the Bengals have returned almost all of their team

and they even added better offensive linemen? Yeah, we have no idea. We were actually just talking to Pete Sweeney for the Chiefs. The Chiefs have obviously started a dynasty a couple years ago, and they're not being talked about at all either. I mean, they're wondering why the Bengals are being talked about. If it means anything, there are people other places that are pissed about you guys. So, I mean, it seems to be a problem everywhere,

but the Bills, I think, just because the way it ended last year, all those boys are going to go get it. But nobody knows anything, especially you guys know that two years ago four wins okay and this is how you guys were doing press conferences Zito please I know it was uh actually that was my picture um I I started the viral mic cart um which was actually kind of funny I thought I was gonna upset the people within the bangles but I was really just trying to take a picture but it took on a life of its own. And it all really became like the identity of the team, right? Like this, my car, they don't have a podium. They don't care. They're practicing in an indoor facility, which Pat, I do have to tell

you, I played lacrosse at UC and practice multiple times in that bubble. So I would have been one of those girls in the video that's like wait the bangles are coming to practice after us but i think it kind of like matched the identity of the team to to some degree but no they have moved on to a podium now that we are back in in person but the mic part thing was funny well kelsey thank you for sharing that photo because we certainly had a great time with it as did everybody but from four wins in that cart to we certainly had a great time with it, as did everybody. But from four wins in that cart to a Super Bowl, a sponsored

stadium, an indoor facility, and Joey Burrow being Joey Burrow for at least the next 10 years. We can't thank you enough, Kelsey, for joining us and making time today. Thanks for having me on, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, Kelsey Conway. Hey, Kelsey! So it was her photo. yeah that's awesome and if

she said i didn't want to upset anybody fuck them kelsey you made them better kelsey's live golf kelsey put this out and they were forced to get better just like the pga has had to do with live coming around have you we now it's not the time because we're in the middle of feel the beat the pga has gotten 7 000 times better for every one of their pga tour players since live has come into the world there's guaranteed money now going to everybody that makes the tour they're having a stadium series where they're going to be playing like top golf in these stadiums where there's going to be more money there's bigger purses yeah it's like not thank you tiger i think everybody should be saying thank you thank you live i think is what the pga

golfers should say even though they won't say that. But we need to make sure that is a little competition come in, really spur, you know, some movement. And just like WWF had when WCW came and they became their best. Seems like PGA Tour is answering the call, by the way, answering the bell. I respect that a lot. Let's go have a nice, fair battle. What do we say? Let's have a nice, fair battle.

Kelsey did that for the Bengals once you put that out there. They were so embarrassed. We've got to at least get a podium. Everybody else, I mean, it's a fucking fair battle kelsey did that for the bangles once you put that out there they were so embarrassed we gotta at least get a podium everybody else i mean it's an nfl team can we get a podium they're like we don't have an indoor practice let's not get too crazy here let's go ahead and work on it they brought the podium to la they had it on the 50 yard line right at the center of the field the podium made it to the super bowl yeah you're damn right that's quite a come up for that podium Hour two will be on the other side of this ten minute break Okay let's continue to feel The Beat

I think we settled on one there That's a pretty good beat I think we found it We feel it we found it and for the first time In like a month of attempting this, we are having a beat reporter, a beat writer, an insider for the Cleveland Brands!

Not only just any insider, any beat reporter, we're talking about the person that generates all of the news out of Cleveland for any national show. It's an honor to have her here. Ladies and gentlemen from Cleveland.com, Mary Kay Cabot. Hey, guys, how you doing? Okay, Mary, it is fucking awesome to see you. It's been a long time coming. We've been excited about this conversation for a long time. Before we go any further, Cabot Cabot. Well, first of all, it's Mary Kay, but I'll forgive you for that for

the first time. And then it's Cabot. But I also wanted to say very briefly that I didn't even know I was going to be on today and we are dressed exactly alike. I am just like really honored that that we have the same clothes on today Mary Kay I appreciate you for joining us and let's dive right into it obviously with the Deshaun Watson suspension appeal more games more this a lot of conversation around maybe another quarterback coming in they signed Jacoby to be the guy for the first 12 weeks of the season 11 games with the bye week is that what you're feeling and how has the team been, basically, with all this drama happening everywhere around it?

They're coping. I mean, everyone is doing the best that they can. We just talked to Joel Batonio today. Oh, Batonio! We love Joel Batonio. I mean, such a great guy. The three-time Good Guy Award winner here in Cleveland. But I was just asking him,

how did you feel about all the heat that you took on August 15th when you said it's Cleveland against the world? And he said, you know, I didn't mean for it to go down like that. But I think that that sentiment is probably shared by a lot of players on this football team, probably a lot of fans in this town. This is a very difficult situation to navigate, and everyone is just coping. Okay.

Ty, your question for Mary Kay. Yeah, Mary Kay, a lot of the rumors are popping up that Kareem Hunt's not happy. He might be on his way out, but then Nick Chubb kind of said, hey, he's my guy. I want him here. Do you see something happening with Kareem Hunt, or is he going to be a Brown this whole year? You know, I think he's going to be a Brown the whole year. They have no intentions of trading him. They do not want to do that. They believe that he can help this team

win football games. He's so good in the run, so good in the passing game. And especially with Deshaun out for the first 11 games of the season, they're really going to have to rely on that running game. So do you think Chubb is going to get the rock the most? Chubb came out and said that Kareem Hunt's his best friend. Could never imagine what it's like. Is that why there isn't much panic maybe? Because Jacoby has a great offensive line in front of him. He got two stallions in the back.

Let's assume Hunt's going to be there. Everybody kind of knows what this offense is going to be for a while. Will that change when Deshaun gets back? Or do we have no idea what that team's going to look like with Deshaun yet? Well, first of all, I think that there is a lot of thought that a really great running game here, a great offensive line, and an excellent defense, which finished top five last year, and I think will be even more dominant this season.

I think when you put all that together, I think there is still some optimism that Jacoby can hold down the fort until Deshaun gets back. Now, when Deshaun does come back, once he knocks off that rust a little bit, I do think that they will focus definitely more on an explosive passing game. But until that time, I think you'll see plenty of Nick Chubb. He will be the workhorse, and then lots of Kareem as well. Amari Cooper's on the team. I haven't heard a thing. Is he all right?

Does he catch a ball still? He knows how to play football still? Yes, absolutely. And the thing about Jacoby and Amari is those two guys are heating up pretty well together. They're starting to develop a nice chemistry. I saw it last week during those joint practices against the Eagles. I saw it last week during those joint practices against the Eagles. So I do think that there will be some good stuff coming from those two guys, and we'll see a little bit of it in the game on Saturday night.

Last question here, Mary Kay from Tone. Go ahead, Tone. Mary Kay, so there's a lot of talk about Jacoby here. So Jimmy G is definitely not going to be a Brown this season? You know, I never say never in this business. I've learned a long time ago to never say never, but it's probably unlikely. The only way that it would happen

is if he gets cut by the 49ers and they can get him on the absolute dirt cheap and they bring him in here as sort of a one-two punch, but he would start out backing up Jacoby. Mary Kay, last question before we let you go, and we can't thank you enough for making time for us today. How many wins do you think this season for the Cleveland Browns? You know, the first thing that comes to mind is nine.

I'm going to say nine, and that would give them a chance to still challenge for the playoffs. What happened with Baker? What happened with Baker? They just fell out of love? Everybody hated him there? He hated everybody? How did that happen, do you think?

Was there one moment? A lot happened with Baker. A lot happened with Baker here. And I tried to chronicle all of it as best as I possibly could. But starting in about October, I was trying to let people know that there was a disconnect between Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski. Baker didn't really feel as though he were being used right. He didn't think the play calling necessarily showcased his skills.

And I remember at the beginning of the season, you may or may not, at the end of the season, I wrote a story saying that if it didn't get better, that he would possibly ask to be traded. And that's when he said clickbait at me. Oh! He said, okay, enough with the bulls! That was a fun day. That was a fun day on social media. But, of course, in the end, that's what happened.

And now they get to meet up with him on opening day, September 11th in Carolina. Hey, that was a good day for you on social media whenever, you know. Yeah. Told you. It all comes back around. The truth always wins in the end. And we have gotten so much news from you, we can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen, from Cleveland.com can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen,

from Cleveland.com, Mary Kay Cabot. Cabot, Cabot, Cabot. Fuck, I'm so sorry. We're doing so good. That's on me, Mary Kay. Anyways, that was another episode of Field of Yee.

God damn it. That's what we're talking about, aren't we? Yeah. Field of the Game. God damn it. Football. That's what we're talking about, aren't we? Yeah. That's what really gets us going. Hell yeah. Hour one, obviously we felt the beat. We bounced around from the editor-in-chief and lead writer for Arrowhead Pride

and chief analyst for KSHB 41 in Kansas City with Pete Sweeney. Yeah. Talk about the Chiefs. Juju Smith-Schuster will be the number one target outside of Travis Kelsey. Then MVS. Then McCole Hardman in his eyes. That is a surprise to all of us, I do believe. Yeah, if he recovers from that knee injury from that slip and slide catches this summer.

It was a great catch, though. I mean, it stole the TikTok. Everybody else is doing some basic-ass bullshit. He comes in, slides around, does his thing, hits the juju. Tommy Curran came on and said, team stinks. That was for the New England Patriots. Connor, you feel okay about that? It's the same rain cloud we have on every other week,

so I'm used to it at this point. Tom is the rain cloud, you're saying? Yeah, it's rain cloud Curran at this point. Do you and him ever talk outside of this show? No. When we saw the man on Radio Row, he actually looked at me, introduced himself, and then goes, so where's the Boston guy? All right, Tom.

Bye. He can kind of dunk on you. You two have two different views of the Patriots every single year, and I guess you bulls can just stare at each other from different pens. And in the end, we both win. Because if he's right, then he's right. If I'm right, then the Patriots at each other from different pens. Exactly. And, you know, in the end, we both win. Because if he's right, then he's right. If I'm right, then the Patriots are good and he wins. True.

Because the Patriots are good. So he's kind of got the. Exactly. You're the only one that can be let down this time. I'm going to win moves. He can dunk on you. Yes. You can never.

You can never dunk on him. No. Anyways, Kelsey Conway joined us from the Bengals. Appreciate her stopping by. And then Mary Kay Cabot. Yes. Of course. Which obviously fumbled that name on the way out.

She was very nice, and we're very appreciative of that. Of course. The conversation around Jacoby Brissett being the guy and how the offense feels. Mari Cooper making some plays with Jacoby. But look for that thing to be a run-heavy offense for the first 12 weeks, at least, of the season. Excited for that.

The toxic tables here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys, Tony Diggs is here and all the boys in the back. Appreciate you guys handling. Feel the beat. That's a lot of – Well done, gentlemen.

That's a lot of moving parts back there. It is great. I enjoy – it's unprecedented. Awesome segment. It's unprecedented, us doing that. Well, unprecedented as a whole, really. In the whole media landscape, that is unprecedented. That's what we just did.

So unprecedented means it's been done before? No, no, no, no. The opposite. Because you set a precedent. Right. Without precedent. There it is. Because I thought I saw, hmm.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, a man who is in an attic in Ohio. That couldn't have been right. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, and he has given us unprecedented looks at what it's like to talk to a psychopath every single day. Ladies and gentlemen, the face of Ohio, A.J. Hall. Unprecedented A.J. Hall.

What is going on? What happened? What did I miss with this unprecedented garbage? You wouldn't get it. You don't understand. You're right, I wouldn't. I don't know what corners of the internet someone offended you by. Something was unprecedented.

I think you guys are confused. Hey, good call, by the way. I mean, you just kind of pieced it together. Sounds like you just pieced it together right there. You understand how the operation works. We appreciate that. It's not an unprecedented moment. We have had these types of situations in the past.

But you did pieces together. We'll let everybody else figure it out. We'll let everybody else. Town's going to try to say it right now, I believe. No, no, no. I'm just confused. Maybe. I guess I'm stupid. I could have swore a show used that word this morning about... They said unprecedented, but it's definitely something

that's happened before. That is what we were talking about. So I don't know the word. Sports media got better today with the announcement. Okay, goddamn right. So we are happy about it. Michael Parsons will be joining Undisputed every Tuesday in an unprecedented sit-down.

Yeah, that is what we are referring to. Yeah, that is why I have respect for them over there. But the way that thing was rolled out was Undisputed joining again? Undisputed with Shannon Sharp and Skip. Oh, there we go. Okay. Oh, the show. Because Shannon has a podcast as well that he does. It's not going to be Club Shay Shay.

It is Undisputed. By the way, massive Shannon Sharp fan. Club Shay Shay is the name of his podcast? I believe, yeah. That's awesome. It crushes. Yeah, everything he does is awesome. Just like the unprecedented weekly interview of Mike Parsons.

Right. It'll be nice, though. It will be great weekly interview of Mike Parsons. It'll be nice though. Great. We are happy about it. We don't want to be disrespectful because we are happy about it. But I mean, kind of a smack in our mouth. But it's okay. It's just way good. Has the unprecedented Josh Allen

with Kyle Brandt been announced? That's a little different. I don't know what's going on. Plus they're putting a carp before the horse. Yeah, they're also just telling Kyle, I do a McAfee thing, so it's kind of one of those things. No, we like Kyle. We do. Have we seen that show? No.

We're the ones that said Josh was going. He didn't. Well, he said, I don't want to give it away. And then we said, all right, there's only fucking like 10 other guys this could be. We were just going to start shooting them at him, by the way. The show's going on, right? How's Kyle doing? So that's the thing.

I don't know. I've tried to watch a couple times. Has it been? I don't think they've had tried to watch a couple times. Has it been? I don't think they've had their first episode yet. Waiting for the season, probably. Is that what he said when he came on the show? It acted like he was going on the next week when he was on the show. AJ, we're not sure.

But we know in an unprecedented manner. Let's get into some stuff, AJ. We talked to a lot of beat writers in the first hour. The Kansas City Chiefs are upset about the Bills and the Bengals getting all the hype. The Bengals are upset about the Bills getting all the hype. It's an interesting time right now because I think every team thinks they're going to win a Super Bowl, and they should, except for the Patriots, I guess. There's a lot of optimism coming from a lot of teams right now, AJ.

This is going to be a great NFL season, I think. Well, I mean, so I caught the Tommy Kernan conversation. It sounds like everybody there's what 31 teams that are eyeing the super bowl and the patriots are just saying hey this is a rebuild year we're just going to pack it in and try to try to get better for next year that's what i felt like to me too we'll go to boston connor see his thoughts did it feel like mcdc on the lions and hard knocks is saying we're not winning the super bowl it's a rebuild year i don't think so so i think 31 out of 32 teams is probably a good depiction of that. Is that what

the thought is all around Boston? Is Tommy Curran a reflection of all of the New England area, the Revolution region mailing it in on this particular season? I don't think it's all of the Revolution region, but I do think there are a lot of people who are very worried about the upcoming season, especially with

the Bills, the top dogs, as everyone's talking about, in the league, really being in the division. And then you can look around, like the AFC West. Can you say the Patriots are better than any of the teams in the AFC West? I don't know if you can. Can you say the Patriots are better than all the teams in the AFC West? I mean, there's just a realistic expectation. The good thing is we don't know.

We don't know who's better than who right now. We really don't. What if Russell Wilson can't ride? Yeah, exactly. I mean, injuries always happen. The Broncos might win every single game, too. Like, they got a team around that dude. Their defense was good last year.

They might be able to ride. Yeah. They might not be able to ride. They might be able to ride. Devontae Adams seems like he's unguardable. I was listening to him chat about what he does to the pivot, and he looked at the camera and said, I can even say this because it does not matter.

Because in real life, what actually happens versus what somebody's thinking. He said he has a Terminator thing on. I've never seen Terminator. That's like a Google Glass. Yeah, exactly. Like the Google Glass thing. Basically.

He said, I put the Terminator mask on. And when somebody stands up to me, I go through, scroll, boom, boom, boom. Are you going to be on me? All right, here's the third option I have. I'm going to do this to you. And I'm going to shake the shit out of you you're gonna think i'm going one way and you have no chance he has like eight different get offs and i think that is what he was referring to

whenever he was asked what he does in the off season and why doesn't post stuff he said i play football i run routes well i run routes while people are posting all these different he said i run full speed routes too i run full speed routes, too. I run full speed routes. That was awesome when he did that. Listening to him talk, though, it's like, oh, this guy is cerebral. He's not just out there. He's not out there just relying on his athletic ability. He studies.

He knows exactly what he wants to do, how he sets dudes up. That's the stuff that's fun for me to see when talking about how he goes about it. And he talked about not having to get doubled every play, too. He also talked about that. goes about it. And he talked about not having to be the, like get doubled every play too. He also talked about that. You know, we got Hunter. He said, if you guys are going to single Hunter, Hunter's going to get open. Even if Ryan Clark doesn't think Hunter Renfro.

Yeah. I didn't like that. What's all about racist ass Ryan Clark? Oh, insurance salesman looking ass Hunter Renfro. Can't be good, Ryan. Now, Ryan's a good guy. I like Ryan. I think everybody likes Ryan.

He was startled when Derwin James said, Hunter Renfro is different. He is a guy guy. I like Ryan. I think everybody likes Ryan. He was startled when Derwin James said Hunter Renfro is different. He is a guy, which I think we all were. I think that's a great amount of respect coming from Derwin James, but when we saw Hunter re-sign a deal and we've seen his upside, it's like maybe Hunter can be a guy. Derwin comes out and he says he's a guy. Ryan Clark was startled

by it because he was up there with Tyree Kill. When Tyree Kill does something you worry about, Hunter Renfro and Ryan Clark were like, Wait a minute. Hold on. We never put Hunter Renfro in that conversation. And I think Devontae and Derwin James are like, Hey, should maybe start showing a little bit more respect

to the 5'8 white guy coming out of Clemson. He is a dog. And then Darren Waller as well. Devontae went on to talk about how he's not going to get doubled the entire time. If you double me, okay, Darren's going to eat or Hunter's going to eat. If you double one of them and I get single coverage, we saw what happened with the Lions. They had me on single coverage one time.

It was a 55-yard dime down the sideline. It's like I think that was something he was very eager and excited about. And no offense to the Packers, they've never had that many weapons at the same time as Devontae being Devontae. So it looks like the Raiders could be a fucking team too over there in the AFC West. The two teams that we just talked about, the Patriots and the Raiders, this is what the AFC is. They are 10th and 11th in odds to win the AFC this season.

The Raiders. Yeah. With Devontae Adams. And Raiders, 10th and 11th. Go through them. Let's hear the AFC odds. Bills. You want the odds as well?

Sure. Bills plus 350. KC's plus 500. Chargers are plus 850. Broncos are plus 850. Ravens 950. Colts 1200. Bengals 1200.

Titans 1400. Finns 2000. Browns 2100. Pats 2100. Raiders 2500. Listen to that. Wow. You're the Chargers

Chargers way up there AJ And that's by the way Another AFC West team We just talked about the Raiders We can talk about the Chargers now They got Justin Herbert Another year of comfort Keenan Allen

Mike's still getting signed over there Eckler's still there They bring in dogs On the defensive side of the ball They still have yet to make The fucking playoffs With Justin Herbert though And their odds are very up there.

They could be a team. I mean, you're right whenever you look at the AFC West. There is dogs over there, A. There's teams. That's the cool thing about it. I guess it just shows how much faith people have in a good quarterback. Justin Herbert, what are his odds to win the MVP? I would imagine they're up there.

Yeah, he's top five, I think. I think he's like 1,200 or something. Is everybody good now? Except for the Patriots, obviously. It sure seems like it, right? It does. If you don't have a franchise QB, man, that's a tough deal right now if you're in the NFL.

AFC West odds to win. Kansas City Chiefs plus 155 to win the division. Chargers plus 240. Broncos, let's ride into a plus 260. And then Raiders plus 700? Yeah. Wow. That seems like pretty good.

Absolutely. That seems like a pretty good little bet. In the AFC, though, even if you are good, I don't think that's getting it done this year. Mary Kay was saying the Browns, without Deshaun for 11 games this year, hoping for nine wins. Nine wins probably isn't getting you in the playoffs in the AFC, is it? Pete Sweeney told us AFC West, people are going to cannibalize each other,

probably get a number three seed, he thinks, the Chiefs will. With 11 or 10 wins, probably get a three seed because of the way everything's kind of stacked up. There's going to be a lot of teams taking losses within their division that are going to surprise some people. And at the end, those last couple weeks are going to fucking matter. And not that it doesn't always, but normally there's like three games it feels like that matter. That last weekend slate could be vital. And that's what the NFL wants. They want back-to-back super wildcard weekends,

which is what Week 18 and wildcard weekend could become. Yeah, just like last year. It's like a lot of the games came down to it the last weekend. But that was the same thought that they're saying about the AFC West cannibalizing each other that they did about the NFC West last year. And a Super Bowl champ came from. And three of the seven playoff teams came from that division. So it's like, yeah, they might cannibalize each other that they did about the NFC West last year. And a Super Bowl champ came from. And three of the seven playoff teams came from that division. So it's like, yeah, they might cannibalize each other,

but also whoever makes it out on top could be the team that's the hottest and could make the run to the Super Bowl. AJ, your thought on the AFC being packed to the fucking gills, dude. When you say they'll cannibalize themselves, I get it. I understand what you're saying, but also iron sharpens iron. The old saying people always say, you get through that i mean you're you're forged steel man your whole team is if you get through that division you get through the afc anywhere i'm so yeah like i i understand you could beat up on each other if you're playing great teams but also you're

facing super great competition that you may not see in the playoffs till the super bowl if you keep if you make a run you're battle battle-tested, you're saying. There you go. Yeah, you've got to figure it out. You've been downrange a few times. Oh. I don't know if we're allowed to say that. No, we wouldn't.

But in, like, you know, all due respect. I would like to let everybody know that, you know, it can become downrange pretty quick. Yeah, absolutely. Last night I was just hanging out in civilian life on a lake, and then fucking five birds come flying over in a formation over the lake. And bird, I mean World War I planes, double wings, with shit coming out the tailpipe, flying over said lake.

And obviously, I'm looking at it as a good air show, but if they want to start, all of a sudden, I'm downrange. Yeah. All of a sudden, I started thinking I started thinking I was sitting with the wife You know we're looking at her These old guys Flying these old planes Are going to start

Strafing the lake You don't know You don't You think they got Automatic weapons on there Maybe It would be It would be that

94 year old lady Standing on top Of one of these things Oh yeah With the Wing walking It was the plane That does the wing walking

Yeah it was double wing Old plane Would you do that? Yeah. Would they climb up like you get up there and then you climb up there and strap yourself in? I'm not climbing. They strapped me in, take off, put me back on the ground. I did it.

Yes. But I'm never doing it again. I don't think they take off on top of you. Yeah, they do. It just happened. The old lady, the 94-year-old lady, she's not doing gymkhana around the fucking plane to get up there. I mean, she had to roll her ass into the fucking. She a heart attack though i think she did yeah she was barely alive they strapped her she wasn't going anywhere she was sleeping by the time they landed this lady's

awesome why are you i love the lady i'm glad she did it change sister gene these are the planes that flew over uh my house last night and was this like an air show what was it exactly that's what i'm saying it wasn't and i was enjoying. But what happens if they do just accidentally... I'm like, oh, we're downrange. That does look like a strafing run. You gotta keep your eyes to the sky. It could happen anywhere. You know that. It could happen anywhere. They're looking for UFOs up there, maybe. No, they're looking for battleships.

The UFO thing... Sounds good. I've refused to let this enter my mind until last night. But what if these motherfuckers are just coming down to kill us? Yeah, well, and especially when... No, you can't think that way. I started... Good luck.

You'll never sleep again. That article... What? It was 1.30 a.m. That's a long way to think. They're killing all of us? They're getting everybody? No.

Wow. About 2.15 a.m. They want to. About 2.15 a.m. I couldn't sleep last night. 2.15 a.m they want to about 2 15 a.m i couldn't sleep last night 2 15 a.m you know 1 30 crept in my mind like what if they aren't just nice like i've always just in my head i'm like hey they probably want to talk like what if they aren't so that was a rough 30 35 minutes sure as i was going through a lot of videos on the internet of what they are capable of doing what we aren't capable of doing they have an entirely new classification

of some of these UAPs, the ones that go in the water, out of water. So the water shit's very real, I think, at this point. Oh, yeah. Because the Congress and government is actually releasing and changing. Hydro, aero, hydrospace, something. Something like transmedial ships. Transmedium.

Yeah, transmedium. Transmedium, hydrospace. Yeah, it's going from water to air to space. Without any... Let's just call it what is not good. Congress actually did say, yeah, like it is... Not man-made. No, not man-made, except they did say something about it being possibly man-made.

Well, that's what they've always said. They've always said that this is... It could be another country, foreign entity. But then they're saying that the threats are growing exponentially. Yeah. And that one scared me. I shouldn't have read that at 1.30 a.m. Shouldn't have read that at 1.30 a.m. as somebody that's very interested in the sky and aliens and other life forms. Would it be more scary if they said, hey, this isn't a UFO, but it's from another country and we're not sure and they have a lot more technology than we do?

So I never understood why people thought that was okay too like we would know that'd be that'd be terrifying if we knew they were over here and they had a lot of stuff that we don't have yeah because at least we know what some of these fucking assholes would do if they had some of these things we can look through history and we can look through the modern fucking day in 2022 as well so i never understood whenever i would say to somebody like hey that thing's pulling a thousand g's right there no human could sit in that thing and they're like oh it's probably just some super advanced technology from who so who has that then uh well it's not us probably i'm like okay so it's not good this doesn't scare the fuck out of you

then like who does know how many people do know what's happening that's what i want i don't know it wasn't that fucking guy that testified in a house oversight committee. I ain't never heard of a TikTok one. Yeah. Stephen Hawking probably knows. Yeah, but he's dead. But see, other countries having that technology doesn't scare me because we have, like, Jack Carr walking around the country. So, like, that's why if it's aliens.

You know, pew, pew, kill them. Exactly. You know that if it's an alien, that's where you get worried because there's a chance that you can shoot a gun at an alien and they just stop it. They're scared of us. Has alien ever been downrange? Probably not. So fucking walk.

Ever seen Chris Pratt maneuver with a gun? They've been down space, though. So, you know, 30, 35 minutes are like, oh, no. What if what if they are just picking me up and having her way with me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Probing you first. No question.

All right. I mean, I can get through that. But what if they are just doing that to everybody? Yeah. I got through that little negativity. I'm not normally that negative. And then I started thinking, okay, how are we going to talk to these people so they don't do that to me? Yes.

And who are the people that are doing that conversating? Yes. Because I would assume every motherfucker that is in a position to go do so should not be doing it at this point right i'm guessing that there is no communication if they have decided that they want to just fucking have their way with us like it doesn't it doesn't matter like i don't i don't think a conversation you got to put up a fight though well of course we're putting up yeah we already figured it out like i'll give up and say we're screwed. I bet they're scared of us.

Yeah, that's what I think they've been feeling out. So I think it's been a lot more like seeing what's going on. If they watch the terminal list, they are definitely, and they think, oh, all humans are Chris Pratt. They've got to be shaking in the food. Yeah, but they know that that's not the case because they've been everywhere. They were in Syracuse, New York, Buffalo, New York, and they were in Iowa this past weekend, like within days. Kirk's dogs.

Well, Kirk's dogs would be sweet if that was everywhere, but they're seeing all the bullshit that's going on around the world. They're reporting back to their planets like, these motherfuckers got no idea. I mean, all you gotta do is put one tweet out and that person's gone. And then you do this, that story's over.

They literally had them sit in their homes for two years, these people. And then they're like, alright alright let's go fucking kill him that is potentially what's been going on once again that was 35 minutes of negativity going on in my head never want to go back there just need to acknowledge that it happened who's talking to him

we don't need any of these fucking suits Gary Vee probably I know a guy ladies and gentlemen joining us now he's a man that potentially should be the it's not mark caboli okay i don't know if caboli's got time he's gonna cover steelers maybe give him a run around that's a good point joining us now is the people's coach a man who would have to rally the troops if we had to get into a battle with some extraterrestrials some aliens sorry about

it demi uh these people that are potentially going to come down, or humans or things, whatever they are, and maybe ruin us. This would be the guy that we'd put in front of Brock Lesnar and the boys who are going to fight them. Hell yeah. The people's coach, ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano. Yeah!

That tan. So, guys. Hey, that tan right now. Oh. Plenty of Gobble ghoul out here. Yeah, yeah, you look amazing. Hey, thank you for joining us. What are your thoughts on aliens, Chuck?

You just try not to go there? Just try to stay out of it? Or have you contemplated them potentially just showing up and having their way with us yet? Yeah, I try to stay away from that stuff. My wife is into listening to all this stuff that's going on, so I'm on a need-to-know basis. She hasn't talked to me yet about aliens. She's talked to me about a lot of other stuff going on in our world,

which we probably can't talk about right now, but when she comes at me with the alien stuff, I'm either, number one, going to run for the hills, or number two, maybe start to dive a little deeper into that. Yeah, well, Chuck, listen, I don't know if running is going to help. to run for the hills or number two maybe start to dive a little deeper into that yeah well chuck listen i don't know if running is going to help these motherfuckers go 7 000 miles an hour with no propulsion they just no gravitational pull no propulsion able to go in water out of water just do whatever they want pulling like a thousand g's uh so i don't think running matters maybe

get on that peloton bike oh Oh yeah. Oh, so what, you know, when I got on the call, you guys were talking about this. So I have really no idea, you know, where this came from. Fill me in a little, enlighten me a little bit.

Kind of a daily thing, Chuck. Shut up. You know, it seemed like 15 UFOs. Bingo. I've not just in myself, we have Foxy and I've seen one.

Oh yeah. And it is documented and nobody's taking us serious. Clear as day. But then the exact same thing that we saw starts popping up in Houston and outside of a submarine and outside all this other stuff. And it's like, oh, this is to be serious. It's like Fox and I, sorry, we're maybe a little high whenever we were doing it. Doesn't mean that we didn't see the same thing.

There's just a lot of videos, Chuck, coming out now. Boom, boom. Like a lot, a lot, a lot. And it's even been reported by Congress that since 2019, the Navy has reported that their pilots have reported a much uptick of seeing things that they don't understand. So 1.30 a.m. last night, I started wondering like, what if they're not nice? You know, and that has never crept into my mind. I've always been like, we can get along. I can gap up an alien and, you know, we can kind of move along what if they aren't chuck you know what if they aren't nice and what if they have their way with me chuck look at me i can't handle that

yeah we all expect you know that guy to be et right that's what we know that guy was really he was really cool that little kid but yeah it doesn't just fall into fake news stuff 2022 on this program okay don't do that shit all right we don't need any misinformation on this Doesn't this fall into fake news stuff? Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. 2022. Chuck, go on this program. Okay, don't do that shit. All right? We don't need any misinformation on this program. Let's dive into some sports here, Chuck. Let's dive into some sports.

This is going to be the third preseason game and last preseason game for a lot of teams. I guess there's two teams that have a game. Falcons and somebody else have a game maybe Monday. I don't know. They were on, you get it, last week in a game maybe Monday. I don't know. They were on a – you get it. Last week in a preseason. Are teams made mostly for coaches? Is there any guys that are really on the bubble?

And how many normally going into this final game are you really like thinking are they going to make it or not make it? Are guys earning jobs in these actual plays or has it already happened in practice and such? No, Pat, I just think that your top two deep are set right now. These coaches and personnel people, front office people, they know who's going to make this roster. They're figuring out maybe like 50 through 53. And as you know better than all of us it's probably going to come down to who's going to excel on special teams here we go more than anybody else so I think

they know what they have the biggest thing to me right now is people are still deciding okay do we play guys do we not play guys there's no way in hell I'm putting any of my guys out there at this point that I already know what am I going to find out? A guy can take a snap, break a huddle, call a play. I mean, in risk, we looked at what happened to Kayvon, you know, Thibodeau last weekend, right? And that block you guys talked about, everybody talked about. I mean, can you imagine losing? Where'd he go?

Number four, number five overall, your first-round pick, losing him for the year, you the year in a preseason game, going against who knows who that tight end was, right? And he's just doing what's right. Oh, that was a dog. Hey, Chuck, you sent me some texts on this play, and if you want to reiterate them while we run them here, you said the NFL Competition Committee talks about this block

nearly every single year because there is some video like this that maybe hits the Internet and causes a conversation. But the decision is made every single year because there is some video like this that maybe hits the internet and causes a conversation but the decision is made every single year that the defender Thibodeau here and Thad Moss have a chance to realize each other are there so it can be something and when you watch this are you just bummed out about the technique do you think it's just a play what do you what do you think as you watch this Chuck well I think like everybody else thinks it it looks really, really bad. Now, the competition committee, which you just, to your point, says, okay, this guy coming back across the line of scrimmage, behind the line of scrimmage, Thibodeau has time to recognize and defend himself.

That's the difference from maybe, you know, the perimeter blocks, the crackback, excuse me, crackback blocks that have been taken out of the game, that this guy has time to see this thing coming. I think we all agree with that. And then, you know, has a chance to defend himself. So to me, I mean, both players are at risk here. I mean, because if you're asking me, if I'm the tight end and you're asking me to go low on this, all I need to do is catch a knee to the head and I got a concussion and I'm out a week or two and I'm in the protocol, you know, head and neck. So if player safety is really at the forefront, I say get all these cut blocks out. You know, the zone schemes that people are running and lines are running sideways, the Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan outside zone stuff. I mean, AJ knows this, those deep linemen, I mean, they're hanging on for dear

life. The guy, they're lined up over a guard, you know, and the guard starts to run and the tackle next to him, you know, the guard can't put his hand on him, but the tackle next to him goes, and we used to call it a shoe shine. You know, he goes right for your ankles and takes your ankle. We've seen a bunch of guys, you know, lose, you know, a bunch of play time based on that block. They're just they're egregious. And again, all the offensive guys and even, you know, Dayball came out and said, hey, you know, I have this play in the playbook. We know it's a, you know, a dangerous block, but we don't want it out because everybody uses it now. So all the offensive guys are like voting. Hey, keep it in. The defensive coaches at the competition are like, hey, we want this out. So I think at some point someone's going to go down,

we're going to lose some of our star players, and they're going to eventually just say, hey, it's out. Warren Sharp, Rich Eisen, and Macho might get a change, though. Yeah, they could. Legit might get a change after that whole thing. How about, like, no cut blocks outside this five-by-five box, you know, where now these offensive linemen, these big pullers, how many truck plays have you seen, these crack tosses, every single game, right?

Because these poor little 180, 190-pound corners that used to come up, and we just said, hey, saw off that guy's outside leg. Take him out, get as many, like bowling pins, get as many as you can, just wreak havoc as deep and as far back in the backfield as you can. And now those little guys can't cut. So they've got to come up and kind of skate move their feet a little bit put their hands out and and this 330 pound lineman just blows them into bejesus you know they got no chance it was i mean so yeah i to me i I think player safety, again, is at the forefront of our game. You know, I get these things out.

They're just – they're really hard to defend. Because you're asking Thibodeau on that, really, because it's a split zone play. He's supposed to go underneath. Tackle blocks down, you squeeze, okay, and you go underneath to be underneath that kickout block. And it's almost impossible to get underneath that. And then there's backer scrapes over top so go ahead you want that backer so you you think they want him to go spill that and then this was it 48 scrapes over top here to the the motion there or if you want the ball to bounce back outside maybe

you know people have different schemes you know we taught this guy to go blow that thing up blow underneath it and let the backer scrape over the top and define make the ball declare outside and go run it down you know guys coming over the top with the ghost motion as well yeah you know wink right and that's probably what wink's teaching too right yeah pretty yeah absolutely and wink's a great coach great defensive coach and probably should have been a head coach a long time ago but hopefully he'll get his opportunity. That's pretty much what everybody's teaching on that split zone is for that guy. Because you can box it, but backers are flowing.

Then you've got seams up inside. We never wanted any vertical inside run lanes as far as defense. We wanted the ball going sideways as much as possible. Absolutely. You want the running back to stop his feet and have to redirect, no question. For sure don't want him to go downhill. But you mentioned Wink. much possible. Hell yeah. Absolutely. You want the running back to stop his feet and have to redirect. No question for sure. Don't let him go downhill. But you mentioned wink.

I know he's, he's coaching with the giants now, the D coordinator. And he, they talk about how much he blitzes. What's his philosophy there? Like with what he, does he just want the offense to never feel comfortable?

I read some stuff where he's talking about, he wants to always confuse their offensive line and their quarterbacks on their protection. So they're never really confident. Is that like, is that something like how tough I guess is that to do because your your defense has to be on the same page and a follow-up to that bill belichick was pissed that wink did that in the first preseason game is that something that wink has to get in like a lot of these guys have

no idea what his defense is right it's very unique no it's it's you know they get off the bus bringing seven, eight, nine guys. That's just the philosophy. We were together in Oakland with Rob Ryan. I was at the Ravens with Rex, and Winks had time with both those guys. of the mindset that we're going to dictate, you know, the tempo of these football games. And we're going to do just enough, especially on money downs, third down situational stuff, where we're going to put a bunch of guys out there. We're going to stand them all up, you know, amoeba defense, whatever you want to call it. And we're going to make it next to impossible for, you know, some of these young quarterbacks, certainly, but these offensive linemen, these centers to try to, okay, who are the known rushers? You know, and you've got all these guys standing up, moving around, and they've got to identify for the line, okay, these are the four bigs, these are the four down in the mic, that's who the line has. And then tight ends and backs and things, you know, they got to figure out, you know,

and backs and things, you know, they got to figure out, you know, which blitzers, um, number one are coming and who do we have? So it creates a lot of confusion, a lot of angst, but it's live by the sword, die by the sword, you know? So you got to maybe pick and choose your time to do this, but Wink's philosophy has always been, this is who we are. So when you come to New York now, Wink's philosophy has always been this is who we are. So when you come to New York now or you came to Baltimore, you know, you knew what you were signing up for. So, like, if you're a D-back, first and 10, second and medium, third and 6, third and 18, doesn't matter, two minute, end of half, end of game, red area, we're going to pressure you.

And we're going to ask you to play bump and run man to man a lot. So they go out and find those dudes that have that confidence and that swagger and love lining up in your face and getting after your ass. And it's fun, like for the D-line and the linebackers to stand up and move around. Again, it creates a lot of chaos. And going back to when I was at Baltimore with Rex, Ryan, you know, and Mike Pettin, who's, you know, comes from the same system, you know, we put in a bunch of these pressures and some of them were four down looks, some of them were three, two looks, odd looks, spinner looks, a bunch of guys standing up, not very many guys with their hands in the ground. And that system had been in place for a long, long time.

So they had the ability just to say move like Jared Johnson was 95 and Suggs was 55. So we could call the same pressure and run it one time in, say, the first quarter. And then we could come back to it in the second half in a critical situation, call the exact same pressure. in the second half in a critical situation, call the exact same pressure. But all those guys on that defense, Eddie Reed, Ray Lewis, Suggs, Nott, they all knew all the moving parts. So they let those guys take ownership of that, and they would just switch sides.

And it's the same exact pressure for the defense, for the Ravens, but to the offense it looks totally different. They're looking for why is he over here now? So they redirect the pressure, okay, or the off the, the protection, right? They think it's coming here. All right. So they get them to, you know, move the direction, redirect the pressure or the protection to the left. And then they re-idea it and the guy goes, lucky, lucky, lucky. And then all of a sudden everybody's coming from the right and they have all these free runners. And so those cover guys that have to cover,

they don't have to cover very long. They know that that ball's got to come out and they know they're going to give up some plays. So everybody's good. Everybody's on board with it. That's why the amoeba defense. Yes. It's so awesome. Ty Schmidt, your question for Coach Chuck Pagano.

Chuck, recently MCDC said that he's not a big rah-rah guy and that he basically doesn't care ifDC said that he's not a big rah-rah guy and that he basically doesn't care if other people think he's a moron like he would rather people think he's a moron going into games uh what do you think other coaches in the NFL think of him because like from hard knocks it's very apparent that he's genuine and he does care and it seems like that could be more of like a media narrative that he's just a big, dumb dipshit. Other coaches in the NFL don't share that sentiment, do they? No, I think we've had a big enough sample size of MCDC, Coach Campbell,

that this is who he is, and he's staying true to himself. I just feel like the guys that get thrown into these positions as head coaches, the guys that try to be somebody else, they don't make it. You know, they fail. And it's proven time and time again with a bunch of guys out there that have made it one year or two years, and they just fall flat on their face because they don't stay true to who they are. And one thing about Dan, he is authentic. He is genuine.

And you can call him whatever you want to call him. One thing about Dan, he is authentic. He is genuine, and you can call him whatever you want to call him. It's just more battery, more chips on their shoulders for that organization and that team. It's like, you know, F you. It's us against the world, and I'm going to be who I am. And at the end of the day, you stay true to that. You can look yourself in the mirror and say, yeah, I stay true to that.

And if it didn't work, I have no regrets. MCDC. I have no regrets. MCDC. I have no regrets. And with the pants dust, the dust in the pants, how come you never did that? How come you never did the dust in the pants thing? Got to get this shit out of here, man. Man, you're dust, man. Can't do it, man.

Dirt, man. He did that. I was looking at the team, though. He hasn't lost the team. Like, you try to keep an eye, and I assume you do this as a coach as well. When Joe Judge had them boys running 110s in full pads last year at training camp, AJ and I, our first reaction was, everybody did them. Like, there wasn't a guy in the back that was like, hey, fuck off.

I'm an adult. I'm not doing that. Now, it ended up not working, but the team was literally all in there. This Lions team feels all in, right? There's different ways to go about it, Chuck, right? Don't you think? If you got everybody all in, that's all you're really looking for. Yeah, again, you can do that stuff, but you got to win at the end of the day.

I think bottom line, you've got to produce, and they've got to see some light at the end of the tunnel because if the results are the same, then eventually, you know, it's like our man Jamal is his name, right, William? You know, when that speech comes up, you know, it's like our man Jamal is his name, right? William? You know, when that speech comes up, you know, it's once a week, every week for the last two, three years. You know, it's falling on deaf ears, you know, for the most part. I mean, let's just call it like it is.

We keep it a show, right? Hell yeah, Joe. If you can win, and he's got those guys, you know, to buy in. But now, you know, they've got to see results at the end of the day. We used to talk about, we all know what bad ball looks like, right? Yeah. And we used to use some different ways to illustrate that at Indy. Yeah.

I don't know, it's kind of like porn. We all know what porn looks like, right? Oh, two people fucking each other. You know, so it's like bad ball. I mean, we know what bad ball is, and we've got to get it out. So he could have done that. He could have brought in some poop, you know. Oh, that would be good.

Get out of here. Next week, I hope he brings it back. Dirty pants. Eats it. You know, but what he's trying to illustrate to those guys is like, the sins, you can't self-inflict the negatives. We can't beat ourselves. Oh, I forgot about the self-inflicted negatives we can't beat ourselves oh i forgot about the self-inflicted negatives the old sin out there you know hey number one

the ball hell yeah okay the quarterback affect them and have a good one you got it number three affect and protect affect and protect there it is god damn it. Number one is the ball. Keep it. Take it away. Number two, quarterback. Effect and protect. Number three, field position. Win it. No. We were four or five. I don't remember if we were three. It's good, but it's half-court offense, full-court defense, right? With field position.

There it is. I remember. That's years ago. That's like five years ago for me now at this point. Run the ball. Stop the run. Easy. Great situational football. Let's understand where we are, when we are. Chuck, do you have to run still?

To win it all, do you have to be able to run? One more time, AJ. To win it all, do you still have to be able to run the ball consistently? Yeah, I think so because you're still going to get in some situations where maybe because of injury or, you know, it's a four-minute drill and you're trying to take the air out of the game. I think that still applies. And again, that's part of that formula for us was, you know, we were going to out-physical our opponent, you know, week in and week out. And so I think you still got to be able to impose your will, you know, and there's nothing that, you know,

just takes the air out of your sails when you, they can run the ball down your throat and you can't do anything about it. You can't stop it. And you're over there trying to scheme up a bunch of crap, you know, and fix this and fix that. And you just, nothing works, you know? So I think, I think, yeah, I think you still, even in this pass-happy league that we're in right now and all the rules are set up, you know, for offenses to be able to move the ball up and down the field,

throw the ball for, you know, 350 yards a game and put a bunch of points on the board. You know, I still think there's a time and a place where, you know, because it all starts in the trenches. And if you can dominate with that whole line and run the ball, you can just take the wind out of the opponent's sails. Chuck, it matters when it matters, too. Like, I think there's a lot of games you can win by not having a good run game.

But when it's December, January. When you need to run. When you have to run. There's going to be a game that's going to show up, and everybody's going to be like, we've known that this team hasn't been able to do this, but it hasn't been talked about because you win games, win games. But when it matters, that's whenever all the flaws get exposed, I think, when the good

teams are all left. And I think that's what we always talk about when we're judging teams. Like, yes, they're going to have success. Yes, this team is good. But at some point, they're going to have to prove, A, that this quarterback can make a throw. B, that they can run a ball or stop the run. In the end, it always comes back to the same shit, it feels like, Chuck, when it really matters, it does.

Well, Patriots and the Bills last year, right? Oh, yeah. The wind's blowing 100 miles an hour. Yeah, yeah. And so he goes in there and he says, okay, our game plan has just changed, and that's the brilliance of Belichick. You know, says, okay, we're going to run it every down, and we may throw it once, twice, maybe three times,

but this is how we're going to it every down and we may throw it once twice maybe three times but this is how we're gonna win this game and and he knew he knew on Wednesday you know when he's talking to his team about it okay here's the bills here's how we're gonna go up there and win this game and the forecast he already had the forecast out he already knew that it was gonna blow a thousand miles an hour you know field goal posts were gonna be coming down all that stuff so he said okay this is this how we going to win this game. And all those guys were just sitting there nodding, going, he's

exactly right. He's been right for a long freaking time. And they go and do it and win that game. And he puts on the Navy COVID mask. As he shows up, he has the Navy mask on, almost like calling a shot. Like, hey, I grew up in the Navy. Actual Naval Academy football team

tonight we're running fucking wish bed we are running the ball just like navy has forever get the win i mean absolutely unbelievable ty schmidt your question oh i'm sorry connor your question for chuck yeah chuck sticking with mcdc he ran a players ran practice with none of the coaches on the field and he basically just kind of sat back and watched have you ever heard of that happening and how do you think that went no i've never heard of it and i i do believe in giving the players ownership but i haven't heard of it uh you know connor to that extent uh but you're seeing more and more of this you know i look on the you know sideline and kyler murray is you know got the headset on he's got the play shit play sheet oh you're swearing out here the play

he's called excuse me sorry to all the viewers out there thank you listeners so he's he's calling the plays and then you know i'm not putting, I'm not going to subject myself as the head coach to this because what is it said at the end? Okay, yeah, it's right there, you know, Kyler Murray, 14, Kingsbury, 3, you know. So why would you do that? So I believe in giving the guys ownership to a certain point, a certain extent. But, again, here's the bottom line. You can be creative. You come up with all these different ways to motivate your team, to sell them, to get them

to buy in. Get the left up, as we used to say, Pat. Get a left up. Quit swimming against the current and trying to swim upstream. It's only going to kill you. Remember we said that river that's flowing, just jump in. Anybody who rafts, you jump in, put your feet down, you know, facing downstream and just go with the flow until you find a spot that, you know, quit trying to fight against, you know, swim upstream. But all that's fine and dandy, but you've got to win. At the end of the day, it still comes down to winning. This is all cool. This is all cool.

It's all cool. You don't win, you're fucking fine. That's what Chuck said. This is all fine. I love what everybody's doing. This is a blast. I've coached for like 40 years. They don't win games, they're going to be fucking doing their little song and dance somewhere else. That's really what it is. You win, you're good.

You lose, you're gone. It doesn't matter about anything else. No matter what position you have in the National Football League, front office, you pick shitty players, you're out as a GM, you know, personnel guy. Coaches, you don't win enough games, bottom line, you're out.

You know, players, if you don't produce, you know, and the wheels come off, you're done. You're out. Pretty simple. simple chuck what was the hardest part going from long time coordinator assistant coach to head coach i know you have all the responsibilities you don't want where you're not coaching like media every day all of that stuff is it more of like the i would assume some parts of that are annoying where you just want to get your hands on the guys and coach them yeah it sucked to be quite honest with you. It's what drives you out of, you know,

you love, you're keeping it real again, right? The paycheck is awesome, you know, it's awesome when you open that thing up, and you're looking at that thing, and it's like, this has got to be a mistake, you know, but with that comes a lot of responsibility, and we all got into coaching to coach and be around the guys you know and there was nothing greater than you know being a position coach and having having your room and you know whether it be you know on the offensive side of the ball with the running backs wide outs o-line for me defensive backs that was such a you know pat your your room there next to my office you know with midge you know you and benny and and and maddie overton in there with with mid my office, you know, with Midge, you know, you and Vinny and Matty Overton in there with Midge and, you know, and the guys.

I mean, there's nothing like that. But then to your point, AJ, to have to deal with just after a game, go in the locker room. Maybe it's a tough loss. Talk to the guys, you know, and then when that's over, those guys are out there in the parking lot. You know, it was our motto was over, those guys are out there in the parking lot. You know, it was our motto was win or lose, we booze. You know, it took me an hour to get to that, you know, that tailgate, win or lose, we booze, because then you got to go do the media, then you got to go talk to this guy. And then maybe, you know, Jim wants to get on a call,

or the GM wants to talk, you know, and before you know it, you're the last guy out of there. So and then all the responsibility. But with that, it takes you away from the coaching aspect of it, which you really just love to do. And going back after the head coaching stuff, I mean, I loved it. And, you know, very, very grateful for the six years that I got in Indy, running that organization, that program, you know, but then going back and being a coordinator you know in Chicago and and not having to deal with all the things that the head coach has to deal with oh man that was that was awesome that was a dream huh to get back in there for your football life a nice little

time last question here for you coach we can't thank you enough tone go ahead coach I heard a thought uh this morning I wanted to see your thoughts on it as well and it's regarding the quarterback position and it's they said know, you could go with Mitch, and if Mitch doesn't do well, you could go to Kenny. But if you start the season with Kenny and he doesn't do well, you can't go to Mitch. What are your thoughts on that type of situation? Yeah, it's a great question.

And, boy, they've done a phenomenal job. All three of those guys have done a phenomenal job and have produced, you know, when they've gotten the opportunities this preseason. So, to me, if it's me, and again, I'm not going to, you know, Mike T, we all got mad, mad love and respect for Coach Tomlin. And he's not had a, you know, a losing season ever. 16 years, I think, at the helm there in Pittsburgh. Yeah, unbelievable. I mean, he's never had one. So, whatever decision he. 16 years, I think, at the helm there in Pittsburgh. Yeah, unbelievable.

I mean, he's never had one. So whatever decision he decides to make, I mean, we're all going to go with it and say, shit, this guy knows, you know. He's been right for a long, long time. But if it's me, you know, I go with, I think, the easy and obvious one. And it's not just because he's a veteran guy and he's got experience, but you go, you know, with Mitch because he's been there and he's done that and you let this kid continue to learn you know and grow instead of you know to your point tone you throw them out there

and now it's real football you know it's not the twos and threes that you're going against and they're not just lining up in a vanilla, you know, four- or five-man front and playing a couple. Whoa. And I saw some clips where they threw some blitzes at him, and he hung in there. I mean, and he looks really good. But to me, you start Mitch and – or Mason for that. Yeah.

There we go. You start the veteran guy and let those guys go out there. Because they're going to make it real easy on whoever is under quarterback, under center, at quarterback. They're going to run the football, play great defense, get the ball out of the quarterback's hand, all those kind of things, and then see what happens. I think it's a lot easier to go from Mitch to Kenny

than have Kenny get thrown out there. And then, shit, if he gets shit kicked out of him and gets blown up and throws a bunch of picks and no touch, doesn't move the thing, and then you've got to sit him down, shit, he may never recover from those scars. Yeah, mentally, honestly. Physically is also something. You kind of took a shot at all these quarterbacks that are doing well in third and fourth quarters of preseason games.

Kind of there. But, hey, what do you know? You ain't never fucking been around. Speaking of being around, Chuck Pagano is going to be with us all season in studio on Thursdays. Yeah! Let's go!

Hey, super excited. Very, very pumped to have you back in my life. I think the boys are going to learn a lot from you. You'll be live in the Thunderdome with us, breaking down film, doing your thing for Thursday Night Football.

Thank you for allowing us to be a part of your retired life here, Coach. No, thank you, Pat. I would walk to Indy every single week to be with you and the boys. And it's just, I'm so grateful. And it's going to be an awesome, awesome deal to be able to spend, you know, a full day with you guys at the Thunderdome. I'm freaking pumped. Me too.

Do you think I could still punt if I had to right now? That's why I text you. Let's get out of here. I text you, don't work on Sundays. There's some other things that you have to probably clean up to be able to pass whatever. Sundays are

still open for you, right? Ladies and gentlemen, Thursdays are going to be awesome. I can't wait to see you in person. You're the best, ladies and gentlemen. Coach, we're going on. Got a lot of texts from a lot of people in the last 24 hours. What are you talking about? Believe it or not. About what? You're going to play football again?

Alright, we got a hard out here coming in about 30 seconds. What are you talking about? So a guy who I'm a massive fan of suffered a very unfortunate and devastating injury yesterday for the Indianapolis Colts, Rigoberto Sanchez, the punter that took over after I left and retired out of nowhere, who has done a fantastic job. Boring punter because all he does is everything right all the time. He beat cancer last

year yeah now he's got torn achilles this dude's been through it all he'll come back even better but yes i have received a lot of text messages about what i'm up to this fall i've been retired four years dude that's a long time that's a long time dude that's a long time i was putting balls training camp the other day though a lot of them pretty good too barefoot i was turning some over and when i was hitting those balls i actually you know this is the thing i read the universe a lot you know i like to i think yeah i think the universe now religious people say god puts it in front i just say the universe puts in front of me for me to and i should acknowledge those things. So when somebody like, Jim Mercer told the story when he came on the show.

He said, there's this guy who is in a flood and he was out of house and a boat came and he said, hey, why don't you get on the boat? He said, God will save me if God wants this to happen. He go, okay. Then they sent a helicopter in and they dropped the line down. The person was like, hey, get out of the flood. You can join me on here.

And the guy's like, no, no, God. God will save me if he wants me to be saved and go out there so inevitably he dies from the flood he gets up there he talks to god and he goes god i thought you were saving me he said i sent you a fucking boat and a helicopter yeah like they're like i believe that that story is a real one like i think the universe shows you things like when i retired i thought there was a lot of things that were just stacking up. And the universe was like, hey, dude, it is time. Even though you could probably still kick balls, it is time. So the universe, you know, last week when I was at training camp, and this is not something I would ever do. Like, it actually came out of nowhere.

There was no reason for me to do it. I started punting the ball. And I was like, let me see if I can still do this if I had to. It's literally worth, first 10 kicks were terrible. And and about 12 I started turning it over a little bit and then like the next 20 balls I started hitting well and afterwards I'm chatting with everybody including the training room the equipment room the PR people for the Colts I'm like I just had to find out if I still had it or not you know and everybody's like still got it I was like yeah I think so I think I still got it but my knee hurt my yeah, I think so. I think I still got it, but my knee hurt. My plant knee hurt like a motherfucker.

I mean, afterwards, so it was a whole thing. So last night, as I'm getting bombarded with text messages, and now tweets are coming out. The Forrest Buckner sent me a tweet. Everybody, yeah, here it is. I know you still got some juice in that leg last dance, question mark. And it's an incredible honor that people reach out to me. And obviously, the Colts are not the first team to reach out to me

whenever a kicker or punter injury is taking place to see if I'm in there. But it was hard not to be like, why did the universe have me punt 32 fucking balls last week and see if I could still have it? It's in there. My rights are still with the Indianapolis Colts. It's in time.

We got 18 days till kickoff. I mean, it's hard not... granted everybody knows the fanduel deal we got a sea geek deal roman deal there's a lot i mean there's 12 families that are yeah i mean i was barefoot too i mean it was a whole those that was a jugs ball i mean there's a lot of things to think about and i thought about why you barefoot plant leg uh because that shoe the one they gave me had like this high platform, and I was like breaking my ankle every time I took a step.

I was sliding off the side of it. I'm like, well, that ain't going to help me at all. Like hocus. Yeah, exactly. You're also punting with an untied shoe pretty well. Yeah, well, it's the hocus shit. You can punt with a bare foot pretty good, I'm guessing. Yeah, if I was like the dumbest human of all time. Those balls were not kicker balls.

They were jugs balls. But anyways, it was a lot of, I don't know. Ty just had a baby. Bill just remodeled a home. Bill spent more money on his house to rebuild it than he did to buy it. Two acts, actually. Zito just did the same thing to his house. Nick has a house.

He's getting married. Tones, you know, married, has a family or has a house. Connor's still doing his thing downtown. There's a lot of things on my plate that are vastly different than maybe two years ago or three years ago with the amount of guys. So, I mean, last

night I spent a large portion of it trying to piece together how that would look and if my body could handle it. And we have not gotten an answer yet. And we don't know if the Colts are directly interested. It would have to be a real thing. But to Chuck's point, I ain't passing no fucking weed test for some time right now. I mean, that ain't – Do they even make you take them anymore?

I don't know because I even thought about this. This about 1230. Wizinator? No. No, it wasn't. I assume they're going to look for the big fake dog. Fake winner. Yeah.

They have to look at your dong now when you pee. You got the same color as yours, man. You got the same color as your 22-inch penis. My God. The piss test guy going, God damn, your penis is grown on me. I'd be smoking when I was, and'm not, I don't have no idea I don't know if I'm good enough to get back I don't know if the body's good enough, I don't know if the Colts actually would want me to do this

I mean this is, there's a lot happening here quickly, and Rigoberto Sanchez is a dude I fucking love, so it's like a whole there's a lot happening here and our building has a lot going on but I would have been smoking when I was retired in legal states so there's no way that

if they were to potentially test me if this was to happen and i had uh thc and they wouldn't be able to punish me for that because i wasn't in the league you know what i mean so like i i had that thought but that would be a reason and who knows if the nfl has any reason in that particular standpoint you know i don't know i thought you were gonna say when you were worried about the aliens last night you got up and punted a few balls no last night i couldn't you know? I don't know. I thought you were going to say when you were worried about the aliens last night, you got up and punted a few balls. No, last night I couldn't. You know, Newhouse doesn't have just a fucking football foot in the back. No.

You don't have that floodplain you can punt in? Exactly. You could put, like, maybe, like, a fishing rod line around a football, punt it in the water, reel it back in. Yeah, tied to your wrist. No, that doesn't make sense. Like Diggs did with that brick he tied to his foot when he was trying to cross a frozen river

to see if the ice was thick enough. He tied a rock to his ankle and threw it ahead, and if it went through, he knew that he would go through. But the funny thing about that is, you know, you're tying a rock to your ankle. Did you have a quick release on your ankle or anything, Diggs? No, it was fucking 4 a.m. probably. Blacked out.

Slaughtered. But for those that are wondering, I have thought about it. I have been thinking about it. It did keep me up all night because this does feel like a potential universe thing happening. But there's a lot going on in this particular business that I would have to. But who knows if Colts even want to be a part of that. And this life is very good. I'm enjoying life right now immensely

and trying to focus fully on this type of thing because I think it's gettable. I think this business is gettable. Absolutely. I think it is. I think unprecedented stuff happens. That would be unprecedented.

If that was to happen, I think it would be unprecedented. Yeah. But the punter position would be the one. Yeah. A lot of things have to happen. A lot of moving parts. Who knows if the Colts are interested. Just everybody watching that has tweeted me,

you and I are on the same exact fucking page. It is wild. It is weird. It is taking place. And I'm probably in one of the best shapes I've been in in my life. But this move. Hey. It's all your plant leg? Yeah.

I don't know. We've got to figure out whether or not it'd be good. And also, I'm nowhere near as explosive as I was four years ago. That could come back, though. That could come back. I don't have to kick off. Nope. True. Actually, I might. I don't know. I'm making decisions for the team now. We don't even know. Yeah, that's probably not true. Actually, I might. I don't know. I'm making decisions for the team now. We don't even know.

True. We don't even know. Yeah, that's probably not true. These are my terms. Football is what we talk about most because that's what we know the most about. Speaking of knowing a lot about football, this man has been a champion at all levels. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Two different times at Centerville High School in Ohio. Yeah. He had 41 tackles. Not at high school. Unfortunately, it's tough to win a state title in high school for me. Bum. 31 tackles or 41? 50.

Why not? No, it was 41. Remember, we had it wrong. And then the guys were like, it's actually 41 tackles. Two times this guy had 31 tackles in a game. Yeah. Two times in high school at Centerville, Ohio, which is the most Ohio high school

of all time. Sure. I know numerous people from that high school. They are all the same Ohio fuck that you expect and they are all dogs.

This man, the biggest dog of them all. He would go on to become a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup champion,

and a COVID survivor. Yeah. When he was doing that 31 tackle night twice in high school, he had no idea that he beat the shit out of COVID-19 two times a year. Ladies and gentlemen, this is A.J. Hall. Hey, A.J. Good reset for the new crowd that came back to the show.

Yeah, just people that don't know who this guy is. I mean, for the clip shows, people that watch just the clips of the show have no clue who you are. I know. There's a lot of people on Twitter like, what is the big-faced guy on the right? Why is he even here? It's like, well, watch the show.

The guy brings nothing but magic to the show. We are thankful that you have joined us. Speaking of Ohio people, rest in peace to legendary quarterback Len Dawson. Yeah. Just by looking at a photo of him and what he did either after a game or at halftime with a beer in between his cleats and a cigar in his mouth, you would assume this guy was from either Pittsburgh or Ohio. Literally what I said this morning when I looked at the photo, we looked it up. He's from Ohio.

He passed away at the age of 87. He was drafted by the Steelers with the number five overall pick and spent the majority of his career with the Chiefs. Accumulated 28,700 pass yards, 239 touchdowns, four-time champion, seven-time All-Star slash Pro Bowler, and the man in the photo that is shown all the time about what the NFL used to be. This is an Ohio guy through and through, I'd assume, AJ. You guys have learned about him in elementary school, about what he did.

That's halftime at the Super Bowl. Halftime at the Super Bowl. Miss you, Lance. This Ohio guy doing this thing. You guys learned about this in elementary school i mean yeah when men were men man they don't make them like this anymore god damn right god damn right len dawson is a legend rest in peace len in ohio man seven he had a good run miss you land 87 is a good run i think you know i thought i was gonna die by the age of 30 and then now probably 40. Like that is the, I honestly thought I was going to die young. Did always did.

How? Like in a freak accident or like an overdose? I just assumed my body was fucking. Yeah. It would just quit somehow, whether it was accidental overdose or just say, nah, we, this ain't, this ain't what we signed up for. We're going to choose new body next time. Like I just assumed those are going to happen.

I wrote, I mean, there's papers from whenever I was like elementary school, high school, you name it, talking like, yeah, I'm going to die young, so this is just kind of how this goes. So, you know, I've kind of had to change my perspective because now I want to live forever. 87's job way well done. Oh, great run. And especially guys like that who played then, like I'm guessing,

a lot of hard living. Like this guy smoked a lot of cigarettes, probably drank a lot, took some big hits. Eye gouges. There was no rules back then. Yeah, exactly. Let's do smoking cigars and having a beer at halftime at a Super Bowl. So what is he doing after the Super Bowl?

Or let's just get crazy, the night before the Super Bowl. Yeah, exactly. I couldn't even fathom what it was like. Joining us now is a man who has hung up his football cleats, a man who is inspirational, already has won an Emmy because his story and his work ethic and his grit and perseverance is something that every little kid should look up to and say, I want to be like that motherfucker.

Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquem Griffin. Thank you for having me today. Hey, congrats on retirement. I know it's not easy, so congratulations. And what would you, when you look back on your NFL career, what are your thoughts as a whole?

Did you enjoy your time in the biggest league on earth, Shaquem? Yeah, I mean, I feel like for me, I enjoyed it a lot. I feel like for the most part, it's the learning experience that the NFL brings to you. And, you know, for me, it was an advantage because I was there with my twin brother. You know, when you talk about doing everything and everything comes half off or 50% off, it doesn't matter if it's clothes, shoes, getting food, or having a home, everything's 50% off.

So that is a clear advantage. But I feel like the most thing that I took away from it was the people around, the brotherhood that we had and being around guys like K.J. Wright, Bobby Radner, Russ, and being able to learn different things about life outside of football, I felt like what put me at peace about a lot of things that I'm doing as far as the career I want to partake in or being able to motivate or be able to be that influence that I am and being able to give back and help. That's awesome. When Seattle drafted you, I felt like it was the perfect spot for you with Pete Carroll and their high energy

coaching staff and you always smiling, always running around having fun. What was it like there from day one? Was Pete what you expected? Oh man, definitely. It was actually more than I expected. I mean, it's crazy to say, but there's no other place like Seattle. And I know a lot

of people does say that and some people can take it with a grain of salt salt but I feel like Pete Carroll is such an amazing coach high energy no matter the age that age don't play a factor when it comes to him I just remember literally the first weekend he came out with gloves and he was doing one-on-ones and throwing a ball catching it and you know running up and down a field like this making this man go get in every single day like he'll make you have more energy like it's knowing that you can come back energy and pete comes with 100 energy every single day ready to go ready to attack the day and ready to just be that force to be reckoned with it's just

like it's crazy because when you see him throw the ball man it's insane like i remember just being inside the indoor i used to throw the football until the basketball! It literally got to be all of 40 yards away. Like, that's the thing that people don't see, you know, just him warming up, he's got to just throw the ball 40 yards. Pete! Are we talking about Pete Carroll right now? Who does Pete Carroll? We're talking about Air Max, Chew Gum.

7-0-7 with us, and he'll be our quarterback throwing no lookers. You thought he was in my home with somebody. Pete Carroll been doing it. Wow. We're in cleats. We're in cleats too, right? Listen, this changes a lot of things the way we talk about Pete Carroll, especially for you.

You need to have a little bit more respect for Pete Carroll after what I just heard. He's 95 years old slinging the pill still and having energy. Shaquem, were you ready to be an inspiration for kids? Because I feel like, obviously, and I don't know what the exacts are and how it happened, but you have one hand, I believe, is the, I don't know what the scientific term,

I don't want to fuck it up. Honestly, I don't want to disrespect you. It's your retirement day. Let's enjoy that. But you were thrusted into a spot of being an inspiration for a lot of people. You make it to the NFL, the highest level, the toughest job on earth. You have success. success you do well almost like telling the world like hey

only you define what you're going to become not everybody else does were you ready for that moment did you expect it and how have you kind of evolved in that role in that position i feel like when time comes growth and i feel like as i got older you know being able to take on like the fans take on like the people who say I'm motivational and helping them out it took time but I feel like now that I'm older and being up like I said learn from guys like KJ Wright and Bobby it put a lot of stuff in perspective that made it easier for me to see it and not me feeling like I'm in a gray area not knowing how to do or what to do when it comes to motivating people and really it's just me living my life and showing that no matter what people say I can go do this

because I want to so now it's trickled down to a lot of people who've been watching so yeah I mean now that I get older is it's a better understanding of it is it's knowing what I am bringing to the table and what I can do for people and it's like now how can I reach more people how can I get them to the point where mentally we're all strong together and not just a person where it's like, okay, I get downed, and now it's over for me. Oh, man, what other people say if they're right?

It's not about what people say. It's about what you feel about yourself and what you're able to do. Oh, yeah. Is that what you're doing next? Are we getting into motivational speaking? You already have an Emmy. Yeah. Already have an Emmy.

Already have done a lot of things. What are you doing next? I already started motivation and singing. I just recently came back from Auburn and singing to the football team. And that's fun because I played Auburn my senior year before I ever left, and I had like three and a half sacks. Oh, yeah. It's kind of cool when you go back and speak to the team and stuff like that.

And a lot of guys that was there was like freshmen or, you know, when they got there, a redshirt freshman and stuff like that. So it's kind of funny to see them again and, you talk but you know for us no matter what team you're on no matter where you come from no matter what your background you know it's a brotherhood and a lot of times we're so taught to be so strong and you know passionate about what we do and like nothing bothers us but the the the fact the matter is that sometimes it's okay not to be okay but thank you for having the brothers to support you because that's what we're here for, that's how you become better.

That's how you become a better you, because you'll let go of all that stuff that's holding you back, and you'll allow yourself to be a better you. Golly, let's go. Let's fucking go, Shaq. Go ahead, Connor, your question. Yeah, Shaq, is there any thought to go and maybe be a motivational speaker for your brother even?

Because I believe he's still playing. Maybe hop in there and motivate him to be the best player he can be? Yeah, I mean, it's crazy because honestly, before the football and everything, it's something that we always wanted to do growing up. And that's the crazy part. So being able to still motivate my brother, I still get encouraging words from him.

And I feel like when it came to football, being together every step of the way, I feel like me not being with him was like a piece of football that was changed for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was always passionate because, like, I had something to fight for. You know what I'm saying? I'm proving people wrong. I'm fighting to be there right beside my brother no matter what.

And that was our thing. We were a package deal. We literally took a package deal that we made when we was nine years old and took it straight to the NFL. Like, a lot of people can't say that. You know, that's an enjoyment and a peace of mind that can't nobody take from us. I concur. Go ahead, Tosh.

Shaq, we saw you on Good Morning Football, and you obviously have an Emmy. Is there any consideration that you may be trying to get into the media world, or is it the motivational speaking? Does that kind of chew up most of your time, and it's something where you don't know if you'd really be able to do both at the same time? Honestly, there's no limit. I feel like it's a start for everything. I feel like motivational speaking is where I'm starting at now,

but the media is going to come with it. We have a movie and stuff coming out. Whoa! He's in the works, man. It's growing fast and it's coming along even greater. It's a blessing like I said Now I've been blessed and fortunate being a physician where I can be able to showcase But that we've done to be able to show the world more and you know to be that face

Got AJ. What about this movie? I want to hear more about it. So it's in the works Are you gonna play yourself? I sure hope you don't anyone else play that role. Is this Eminem 8 mile? I sure hope you don't let anyone else play that role. Is this Eminem, 8 Mile? It's coming together very well. We've been working on it, working through the script and everything. I don't know if I'm going to be playing my part yet, but it's already been signed that I made.

So, yeah, we'll see. I've got some good actors. Who would you want to play it if you don't? There's an arsenal. Oh, okay. All right. Are you real quick? You at least have to get in there and get beat up by you or something. We were talking to Jack Carr yesterday.

He's the guy who wrote The Terminalist. And he gets killed by Chris Pratt. And I don't think anybody should die in your movie. I don't know what you guys are doing. It might be a thriller. I'm not. We were talking about me and my brother. We have a few arguments and a few tussles.

So maybe I could throw in a part where it's like a little action part where, you know, I slam my brother off the top of a couch into a table or something. We better add that in. Yes! How much brainstorming can we do for this? Table or something. Because he took my socks. You never know.

We might just add that in the movie. Look at you. Yes. Perfect. Yeah, that is the time to do it. Last question here for you, Shaq. We can't thank you enough on this big day in your life. Go ahead, Tone.

Shaq, obviously you've mentioned him a few times now, but can you imagine the Super Bowl champions getting Bobby Wagner? Like, what is – like, they got an all-time, like, 10-time All-Pro, Pro Bowl. Like, what does Bobby Wagner mean to you and probably the Rams now? Man, Bobby Wagner is – you and probably the Rams though? It's okay because when I call the Bobby it's more than just a physical attribute that he brings to a team I feel like the monster that he brains and what those people to come to being a Discipline player it taught me something so I can imagine what it can do

Especially being in a place where he came from like, you know Being born and raised in LA and being able to be back home, it brings a different attribute to you when it comes to that. When you feel at home, when you're given that Bobby experience, the whole LA team is going to experience that and it's going to elevate their team. I feel like when I was able to

talk to Bobby after he made it, I was so proud of him just to see it. I was happy for him because I know that he's going home, so it's going to bring a new Bobby out for them. You lifted the level of this entire show immediately upon arrival. I can't wait to see what you do next. Congrats on an incredible football life. You're the absolute man.

I know retirement isn't easy, but I think you're going to crush it. Congrats, man. Enjoy life. Appreciate you guys for having me today. Thank you. Hell yeah. Shaquem Griffin. Yeah, Shaquem!

Yeah. What do you mean? He went on a rant. What context? He went on a rant about how Aaron doesn't make people better, lift up his teammates or anything. Oh, okay. Classic dog.

It was. It was good. Mixing it up. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable to listen to. I'm like, all right. Was it really unbelievable, though? Guy's got a fucking channel named after him.

And I'm here, and I'm talking about the biggest sport in the world. And I'm like, all right. This guy. It's unbelievable hearing that stuff. This guy knows his stuff. Well, if we know anything about that, I assume it's, hey, Stephen A., you always call Aaron a bad man. It's a dog.

You got to go the other way. Say, call him Jared Goff. You're saying. That's the business. You're saying there's a little... Exactly. Nope, sorry. You got to argue.

Wow. They can't be on the same page because how would Stephen A. keep score? Pat, who brought that? Who started that whole debate culture? I know one of the big execs did.

Jamie Horowitz. That's right. With Cold Pizza. No, first take. First take, but Cold Pizza was the show before that. It was Skip's first show, I think. Yeah, it changed. First take. But Cold Pizza was the show before that. It changed everything.

Yeah, it changed absolutely everything. Because they hit gold. I'm not saying it's talent, potentially. It has to be the concept. You think? Another thing. These fucking... The...

You know? Now the concept's pretty good. Well, just the concept. It's not the people that are doing it It is the concept for sure That's why you tune in You tune in for the concepts not the people You relate to it

And I would like to let everybody know that's part of that The incredibly talented Skip, Steven and Horowitz All very smart and good at what they do Professionally like legit They know what they're doing They fucked it all up Cause everybody thought they were, you know, hey, I'm the next person who's going to yell about shit.

What do you mean? You mean there's too much? There's too many shows doing that? Well, I think a lot of people saw that as an avenue to make it. Like, I'm just going to be a dumbass who says things that make no sense. It's going to get a lot of views. Those views aren't going to be good views or be able to sell those views, but they're still views.

So, like, I think it kind of spiraled into that you know and that yeah that changed the entire like daily those are the guys getting that astronomical money too the those are the only people getting those huge contracts really at the network yes exactly so it's almost encouraged yeah because of the concepts success at the beginning and then now it's just a whole generation is like oh that's what i'm supposed to do and it's like oh come on can we not just yell about it can we not just say something's really fucking good like isn't the league filled with awesome stuff and good stuff and great plays and i understand that this person could maybe be the best well you ain't better than like i you don't have to bury somebody else to put somebody else over.

There's some people that are incredible at it. Stephen A is one of them. Skip is another. Shannon Sharp is a fucking guy. I love listening to him talk. Dan Orlovsky is incredible at saying things nobody else agrees with him. And standing in the pocket. He got called out by Stephen A this morning

when he wasn't even on the fucking show. And I assume Mad Dog has made a career out of it too, so he can do his thing. But everybody thinks that they can just saw people down and be like, oh, it's just journalism. It's not personal. It's journalism. On the other side, there's

guys like Acho who are kind of bouncing it out. I saw this morning I think he tweeted out like it was Orlovsky and someone else and basically saying like ryan clark i'm proud of you for doing so and so and you know what and steven a i remember what yeah steven a was part of it yeah right in a book orlovsky calling games and ryan clark um diving into the pocket yeah and some guy underneath it was like yes we need more of this thank you and ocho's a good guy so he is the guy to kind of do that.

Sweet. You're talking about a tweet Ocho sent? Yeah. Supporting his cast? He could probably find it. It was this morning. Made me feel pretty good when I saw it. I agree.

Thank you for bringing attention to that. Yeah. Sometimes I print tweets out, and I look at them before I go to bed because it makes me feel better. Why don't you start looking at them before you come on the show? Tape on your mirror. And then I put them underneath my pillow because I think that

that will transfer through the pillow into my brain during the night. Oh, osmosis. And I actually already printed out this tweet for tonight. So it's fine. I want to let you know

whatever you've been doing hasn't been working. You've been more toxic than ever. That's not true. Yep, it is. I actually got some tweets yesterday saying a guy in a cowboy hat needs toned down.

He needs that. Stop it. Guess who didn't see those tweets? Me. Why? Because you muted all those people. hat needs tone he needs to stop it guess you didn't see those tweets me why because you muted all those we are the worst we're part of the problem too let's not get crazy i'll go off on some dumb shit every once in a while i mean you're on a mic enough you would assume but yes

dude a pretty good track record how much i'm now obviously all of us are in this, but there's too much of me out there right now. That fucking... Where's SmackDown? This week? Mm-hmm. Detroit Rock City. Yeah, that's right. Is Elias coming? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know if Lyle's going to be there. Lyle's from Pittsburgh, obviously a city of grit, so he wouldn't mind going in Detroit. I know there's some people probably on the roster that say, I will not work in shows in Detroit. I'm not one of them. I'm just telling you, I think there are some people that do that. Should get MCDC in there. Boom, MCDC and the fucking Scottish psychopath main event.

Imagine MCDC coming out of the crowd. Do you want me on? With Angelo? I want you! That place would go bananas. Oh. Yeah. If he just interrupted, walked in, speared somebody.

Rip his shirt off. Come on, Dan. MCDC, you trying to win games or what? Come on. Get in the ring. Come spear somebody. You said it. Hey.

Three toes and half an ass cheek. That's the ring. Come spear somebody. You said it. Hey, three toes and half an ass cheek. That's the situation. Josh Adams. Got to have at least two ass cheeks for me to beat him up. That guy killed it. He did. Not easy to go into an NFL room like that. I was nervous for him.

When I saw him announce him, I saw him come up. I'm like, oh, no. This is a very, very difficult room he's in. He did good. I think it's called tact. I don't know if that's the right word. I think it's called tact. I don't know if that's the right word. I think it's called tact in multiple definitions. But when you get uncomfortable for somebody else, like...

Yeah, it makes your face warm. Embarrassed for somebody else, yeah. I get, like, I actually get the chill. Like, I get very uncomfortable when I see somebody about to embarrass the fuck out of themselves. Like, I get real, like, my whole body hates it. It's almost like like i don't like it at all when i saw him walk up and he said hey my name is josh adams oh this guy's dead this guy is fucking dead and then he started going and i'm like oh this guy's got

swagger this guy's got some moxie and then he started going i'm like why is this guy not famous this guy needs to be he's an actual funny that's that room is filled with hillbillies, rednecks, gangsters, and fucking MCDC and crew in there. And he was able to turn everybody. I mean, and yuppies are in there as well. It's the impossible room. It's so tough. That's why I've always been very comfortable.

Very comfortable. When I did the stand-up thing for the first time, everybody was like, are you nervous to go out there? It's like, no, I've talked to people that have, you know, zero education from the hills of West Virginia. And I've talked to dudes that have been a part of fucking murders from other places. And they seem to all have pretty good reaction to when I speak. So if these people who paid a ticket to be here are tougher than them, all right, good on them, I guess, you know? So I've always felt very comfortable because of the NFL locker room. I think a lot of players who are good in NFL locker rooms are starting to learn like, yeah, I can get into media and tell my story and do stuff. And I should feel confident and comfortable because I've got to experience things that

nobody else has. I've gotten to experience people that nobody else really has if they've gotten outside of their bubble. So going in there as an outsider, not being an NFL guy, in crushing, I think that was worthy of a fucking way to go because we've seen – hey, AJ, hey, we have seen – They wouldn't have shown it, would they, if he bombed? No. No, no way.

Good. It would have been fun to see, though, if he bombed hard. What do you guys think about juggling? See, that was a slow start. Yeah, but he finished out. That was good. He won him over on the other side. We've seen people, though, give speeches for reasons,

and then they try to make a joke, like they're a motivational speaker or a unifier or something, and in there they try to pop a joke in the middle of it, and it just... Falls flat. And then the rest of their presentation... Dead from that. And you've got a lot of confident guys who aren't scared to be like,

Boo! Boo a motherfucker out of a room. Do not tell the room, hey guys, don't worry. We'll be out of here in 45 minutes to an hour. Don't ever give them an end time. Don't ever tell them how long you're there, don't worry. We'll be out of here in 45 minutes to an hour. Don't ever say that. Don't ever give them an end time. Don't ever tell them how long you're there because we were hoping it was five minutes. Yeah, I'm going to keep this quick.

Even if you're not, you lead off. I'm going to keep this quick because nobody wants to be in there. But I've seen dudes get fucking booed out of rooms. And these guys. Yeah, we talked, clapped off the stage. Yeah, it happens. Guys that charge like 50 grand to speak at places. Guys that are being hired by the NFL to come

into a team meeting room and give some sort of speech and they're like, alright, way to go! Halfway done with their thing. You can't pause for a half a second. Yeah, stand up everybody. Yeah! We learned a lot!

We learned a lot! And DT, like the director and player personnel was there. DT, this is good, DT. Yeah, this is great. And still got a little bit left. All right, here we go. How uncomfortable

does that speaker feel? It makes me uncomfortable watching him get clapped off, too. Might as well leave. Those are the moments, yeah, that I start going, oh, no, this guy. He doesn't...

Standing ovation. He went from standing ovation, which is how he could have left there. But he still had 14 slides left on that deck. Instead, at the end, it's, all right. They need to know that going in, man. This is a tough room. You have to know that. Josh, so impressive.

Crush, yeah. You put him anywhere, I assume Josh is going to crush. Honestly, that was. Shout out to NFL Films. That was a fucking good episode. It was. Keep it that way. We can't take that for granted.

Exactly. MCDC looks even more jacked than in the first two episodes, I feel like. I would have been putting gum in. Oh, here we go. He is a barbarian. Yeah. That guy is a caveman. Oh, yeah.

And he's got those boys ready to go. As I was watching, I was thinking, I wouldn't mind playing for this guy. Like, it would be enjoyable every day. And I'd assume I would say stuff back to kind of try to, you know, because I'm a big let's get him going. Yeah, exactly. I'm a big let's get him going guy. Whoever it is, whatever it is, however it is, I want you to go.

I don't know what you're talking about, but I want you to feel comfortable enough around me to just go all in so I can really learn it. And I feel like MCDC would certainly be a guy where I'm like, that was a good speech back there. Way to go. I think you could have dug a little deeper there, don't you think? Man, I was going to.

And then every time he saw you from there on out, he'd be, oh, look, Mr. Funny Man. Well, if it isn't the comedian. How you doing, man? No, no, that's you, Coach. That's you. Coach, that's what I would say back. Let me tell you about that dust in the pants thing.

Everybody thought it was a little cocaine-y, but it was good energy juice. Worked. I like that guy a lot, man. What did Connor say next week? What, he's going to bring his poop up there and eat it? Shit. Are you cool? You're ridiculous.

We're done eating shit, man. Yeah. All right. I'll make the other teams do. Hey, I got some good news as I get the hell out of here. The Colts have signed a punter. Really? Okay.

Show must go on. All right. Who'd they sign? Matt Hack. Great punter. Out of Miami. And then he was with Buffalo. I believe he's from Iowa originally.

So he's a fucking dope. Gritty. Used to be a wide receiver. Oh, yeah. He's throwing some fakes. Great athlete. I got a chance to kick some balls with him Oh, yeah. Throwing some fakes. Great athlete. I got a chance to kick some balls with him a couple years ago. I didn't know who he was.

He was coming out of college. He fucking demolishes footballs. Now, I think the last couple stops, he hasn't been as consistent as, you know, everybody would hope in the NFL. But with the Colts, this could be his best stop. He's going to have his best team. He might be fucking great. Yeah, he went from Des Moines to Arizona State.

Dolphins for... Let's go. He murders footballs though. I saw him hit some balls. Good get. I think so. Just got to hit them all the time. Matt will do that. This is the right place for him. That's good news for all of us, by the way. And me. I can take that off the plate. I can take that

off the plate. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I ain't beating Matt Hack. I can take that off the plate. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I ain't beating Matt Hack. Well, I don't know, though. There's only one way to find out.

No, no, I'm not competing with anybody. That would have been a job that would have had to have been, hey, we need you, here's the job. You know,

because there's going to be some, I'm going to be working on things probably up until game day. Yeah, until kickoff, I'm going to be

working on some shit here, so we've got to find it. I don't know if you're going to want to judge me these first couple days against Matt. With that being said, I love Matt Hack. I'm fucking happy he's here and getting another opportunity. He's very, very good. The tape doesn't lie.

The tape you put out there from training camp. I did bomb a couple of those. I wouldn't write at all. I watched it last night. That's a jugs ball and I did bomb a couple of those. I wouldn't ride at all. I watched them last night. I watched it last night. I'm like, that's a jugs ball and I'm barefoot basically. I started getting

the stopwatch out because Darius was trying to fuck me. Yeah, he was. Darius was doing the stopwatch on his phone. He's like, four, three.

I'm like, Darius. That's not accurate. Darius, you need to shut the fuck up. He's like, no, they're saying

I got a good thumb. I got a good thumb. I forget who he compared himself to. But yeah, he was giving me hang times and it was like, yeah, cash. He said, I got a good thumb. I got a good thumb. He was, I forget who he compared himself to. But, yeah, he was giving me hang times. And it was like, yeah, cash. He said, I got Charlie Cashley's thumb. That's what Darius would say.

It was awesome. What's a good hang? What do you want? It depends how far you hit it. I don't know. I have no idea. Okay. Let's say you hit a 55-yard.

So you always want the yardage to match the number. So that would be a 5-5. Okay. That would be like perfect ball. So if you hit a 5-5. Okay. That would be like perfect ball. So if you hit a 47-yarder, you want a 4-7 ball. If you hit a 4-2, that better be 42. If it's 49, obviously you see there's 7-10ths and 7, you know what I mean, yards difference there.

So that's what you're aiming for. Gotcha. Yeah, so these guys – but if you can hit a ball 82 yards, you fucking hit a ball 82 yards or two. So that thing could be 4-2. Matt Ariza hitting that fucking 82-yard ball. That's probably a 4-4, 4-5. 82 yards, we'll take it.

You know, then just kick off coverage, basically. Gilligan. It's a whole different ball game. Yeah, Gilligan with an 81-yarder, you take that every time if you can do that. Go ahead and hit that ball 81 yards if you can. Unless, you know, obviously a short. Do they ever kick a ball in college with hang time? I don't know.

I don't want to. I don't know. I don't watch enough. The Aussies do not. No offense to the Aussies. The Aussies are trying to get a ball from point A to point B their entire life because punting is a pass and a shot. So it's not like, hey, need it to hang before it gets to the target so that's the big

change for the Aussies a lot of guys have gotten comfortable with doing it and have been able to transition easily a lot of college guys can't hit balls with hang because everybody can lean leave the line of scrimmage before the ball is kicked so they're just trying to roll it down the field basically that's the big difference that's the the big difference but I think there's some guys from college that used to hit big hangs JK J.K. used to hit a hang ball, an NFL ball in college. And then it didn't work out with the Packers. He's with the Chargers now? Yes.

Doesn't seem to be working out that well with them either, if the last game was any indication. Good luck, though. Best of luck, J.K. You're so rude. What do you mean? He almost made the tackle. He did.

You saw him hucking? He still didn't shoot. He did. You saw him hucking? He still didn't shoot. Yeah. Mm-hmm. He dives there and breaks his finger. Yeah. Finger.

I mean, that's best case. It's his finger. What if he dislocates his shoulder? The only reason I'm saying that is because I fucking broke, I think, like my pinky here on diving to tackle somebody, and I couldn't say anything. I couldn't say anything for like the next five weeks. Like I think I had a broken thing here. What am I going to do? Oh, and I couldn't say anything. I couldn't say anything for, like, the next five weeks. Like, I think I had a broken thing here. What am I going to do?

Oh, I broke my pinky on a tackle. Like, all right, I'm not going to say that. Nobody will take me seriously ever again. But for the rest of the game, that ball was hitting me. I'm like, God. Yeah. I think I got to. So, yeah.

Buddy tape it. Right here? Could you imagine I show up to a game fucking. What's up? What's going on, boys? How we doing here? Alright, I'm out of here. Hey, great show, AJ. Great show, Pat.

It wasn't my best work. I called Mary Kay the wrong name a couple times. At the beginning and at the end. Next week we'll get better. Hopefully she joins us. Big thanks to Pete Sweeney, Tommy Curran, Kelsey Conway, Coach Chuck Pagano, who will be with us all year.

Hell yeah. Shaquem Griffin, congrats on the retirement. And sorry to Mark Caboli. Yeah, next time. Mark Caboli is supposed to be on Field of Beat, but obviously we ran out of time. So I have to get him next time. He is a staple of Field of Beat.

We did not forget about him. So does he stay in a dorm room out there at camp yes yeah congrats all the pms winner wednesdays and uh thank you guys for a great show today thank you for watching and listen we'll see you tomorrow goodbye you're the best see ya