The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 739 - Everything DB With Darius Butler In Studio, Nate Boyer, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Pete Carroll's comments to the Seattle media after the game that raises a lot of questions about his relationship with Russell Wilson in the wake of the Seahawks' big win over the Broncos, Nathaniel Hackett's comments about his late game clock management, and they look at some of the best film from this past week, while beginning to look ahead to the Thursday Night Matchup. Joining the progrum to chat about his new movie MVP and how incredible of an experience it was is Green Beret, former Long Snapper for the Seattle Seahawks, co-owner of Merging Vets & Players, and now actor, Nate Boyer (1:28:52-1:54:43). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. It is Everything DB Wednesday, September 14th, 2022 and this sports show shall begin right now. Football is what we are chatting about every day for the next five to six months. It's a beautiful thing. Yesterday we had a conversation with Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Poyer and Rex Ryan and although the internet was abuzz with Rex Ryan talking about his love of feet and his partnership with Dr. Scholz, that was not the big takeaway. Jordan Poyer coming on the show telling us a story about Josh Allen saying, I'm a dog, while running somebody over and posterizing somebody. Although it was an incredible conversation, and we appreciate Jordan Poyer for it as such,

it was not the big takeaway from yesterday. It was our conversation in an unprecedented fashion, Season 3, Episode 1 of Aaron Rodgers Tuesday that has garnered some headlines, and mostly this year, positive. Hey, okay. Mostly positive headlines. Hey, it's a new, this is unprecedented. We got it.

They're talking about how pumped they are to hear Aaron Rodgers say, hey, this is going to take a little bit of patience. There's going to be some growing pain. Seems like when he was talking about the offense, he understood that everybody was in on it. It's going to take a little bit of time. Wasn't worried about the defense. Keep it moving.

It's a good day to have a great day. Today, we have Nate Boyer joining us in the third hour, former Green Beret, former long snapper for the University of Texas, the Seattle Seahawks, and held for me when I broke the Guinness World Record for blindfolded field goal at the San Francisco 49ers. He's also one of the founders of MVP, which is Merging Vets and Players, alongside Jay Glazer in Los Angeles at the Unbreakable Gym, where they're pairing up retired football players and veterans of war

and basically bringing them together for a, you know, a philanthropic, feel good, get guys back into life and into society, actual foundation and thing. They've made it into a movie to really document some of the stories that they've been a part of. That movie debuts today. We'll talk to Nate about not only acting in it, directing it, helping writing it, but creating something that'll hopefully make the world better for our vets on the football field and our vets on the battlefield. Can't wait to chat with Nate in the third hour. A.J. Hawk will be here.

The Toxic Table is here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. One half of the Hammer, Dan Cowboys, Tone Diggs is here. And the host of Everything DB, host of the Man to Man podcast, live in studio like he'll be all year, host of the NFL Match-Ups program on ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPN+. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Hey, great to have you here today. We're going to have a little film breakdown live on this show about the good and the bad

DB play around the NFL. I can't wait for it, DB. You're going to make us a smarter person today. It's going to be fun, man. We're going to get into the weeds a little bit of coverage. It's going to be fun, man. I think so. I think the good part about

this show is as we continue to grow with the film and having film and shout out to NFL Films for us being able to figure out how to get the supply chain figured out. The supply chain is getting better every day. I know Mayor Pete's in charge of it for the country and everything like that.

But I would like to say that we're pretty good at solving supply chain issues as well. It's been an incredible workaround with NFL Films. We're also debuting our NFL Films piece that we're collaborating on tomorrow. Sweet. I think it's going to be good.

It's awesome. I think it is. I'm pretty excited about it. I'm voicing over an NFL Films thing, basically, every single week with inside footage that nobody else is going to have.

It is going to be electric, I think. Yeah. It's going to be really good. Game-changing. I honestly believe it. The boys and I got to see it this morning, a rough cut of it. They're like,

hey, this is what we're thinking. If you want to change anything, let us know. They've been very collaborative with us, which I'm very thankful for. And as you start watching the Scorsese of sports the nfl films package kind of get pieced together with the voiceover that i ran it was like oh fuck yeah this is unbelievable we're a part of it and it's going to be awesome and i think players are going

to appreciate the hell of it at the end of the day but whenever you're breaking down film from nfl films live on the show which we're allowed to do i I can't wait for our dumbasses to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, man. Whoa, whoa. Lisa, I need you to slow that down because there's a lot of film that gets broken down around the NFL on sports media. And we're appreciative of everybody that does it, makes us better. But now that we're actually a part of it, I think we're going to like just for selfish reasons. Oh, yeah.

Because something that we don't understand, we'll be able to ask you for. And I think you'll be able to explain it beautifully because you've always been a coach on the field, D-Bot. I had to, but I got to, I'm going to join it for selfish reasons too because it's a lot of coverage talk

that we don't get and I tweeted out on Sunday just watching the game, we already don't see the safeties on the TV copy, which, you know, I get it, that's cool, but when a big play happens,

we almost never know why. We don't know who to, not necessarily that we want to blame a guy, we don't know what broke down. No, I like, I don't know who to, not necessarily that we want to blame a guy. We don't know what broke down. No, I like, I don't mind some accountability.

But at least to learn from the average fan, a lot of fans kind of want that information. All you hear now is it's either cover two or man. Like nobody knows

the real breakdowns of coverage. And not to get too complicated, but just to simplify as much as possible. And fans, everybody in here

will understand it. It won't be rocket science. And then you just keep building blocks. Hell yeah. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a fun year. I think people become more interested in the product the more information they have about the product.

Exactly. So I think the ability to learn things and sound smarter amongst your friends is something that's going to hopefully make people more interested in the league as a whole. That is really our only goal. And I told the NFL that whenever I was chatting with them. And we're the first people that are like an independent operation

that have gotten footage rights for their show, right? And that was a part of the entire conversation. But in doing so, I have to, you know, calm some potential, like, what are we doing to the league here? This fucking guy and his beautiful boy's friends. You know, like there's a lot of those that are going to be in our way

for a lot of things. People that wear suits that have been around for a long time have seen success for a long time in one particular way. We're kind of running

into a brand new era of content and digital everything. So we're kind of in the middle of that whole conversation that has to happen. So I had to explain

to a lot of people that maybe had their doubts on us getting rights what we're looking to do. It's like, no to a lot of people that maybe had their doubts on us getting rights, what we're looking to do. It's like, no, I would like people to celebrate the game more. I would like people to get the opportunity that I had to have a front row seat to some of the smartest motherfuckers of all time, breaking down what's actually going on on an NFL football field.

Because once you start hearing some of the shit that's going on on that field, I think your respect level for every part of the game is only going to grow. And I think today is a great start for that whole thing with everything DB. Yeah, and I can't wait to hear AQ talk about O-line play because, you know, you're obviously an expert in what you did. I would consider myself an expert in what I did, but I don't know O-line play like that. I don't know how protections can break down and who should have done what and why. So I'm very excited to see him.

And then, obviously, Chuck, from his standpoint as far as everything he's seen for so long, he's seen the games change so many times. But a lot of things stay the same at the same time. So I'm excited to hear his breakdown. And Hasselbeck, everybody that's going to be on here doing it, it's going to be fun. I don't know if we've announced Hasselbeck. Oh, shit.

What? No, yeah, Matt Hasselbeck is going to be live in studio. Bring him up. What? ESPN? Yes. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Hasselbeck.

Breaking news. By the way, D-Bot, thank you for doing that. Because as it was coming out of your mouth, you were saying like Chuck and AQ and everything. I don't think we've announced Hasselbeck. Not because we're not excited about Hasselbeck. Just because Hasselbeck's been very busy. He's also doing his Sunday Countdown show. But then he's flying out to India immediately.

And it's like we're getting an opportunity to hopefully learn football at a higher level. Us. For sure. I don't want to be selfish here, but I feel like as we learn, which is all we're trying to do, the audience getting to do it as well is going to make for some incredible content in our individual piece that we're creating alongside NFL Films. Our debut, I think, every

Thursday of the season is going to be great. This season is going to be fucking awesome. We can't thank you enough for being here, DB. Can't wait for the first episode of Everything DB coming here in about 25 minutes or so. That should be fantastic. And can't wait for the rest of the NFL season to kind of get going because as we face, you know, an epic week two coming up with this season. Herbert Patrick Mahomes kicking it off on Amazon. Brand new era in the Kirk Herbst Street, Al Michaels era.

It's going to be a beautiful thing. There's already storylines starting to breeze, and this line has moved a couple times now. It's going more and more in the favor of Kansas City Chiefs. I think it's because Kansas City Chiefs' high-scoring team this first week, week one of NFL, most touchdowns in week one NFL, they seem to make it look very easy. They got more weapons all of a sudden.

So I would assume a trendy pick is to pick the Kansas City Chiefs tone. That's why this number's moving. Yeah, the money is all on the Chiefs, actually 74% of it. People forget how good the Chargers played the Chiefs last year. Now Keenan Allen's out, but. No, he's questionable. We don't know if he's out, right? He's out.

He's out. Doubtful. He's doubtful. Thursday night you wouldn't bring him back for a Thursday night game. Yeah. This early? They haven't officially rolled him out, though. No.

Yeah, but Keenan Allen, him missing is a vital part of that Chargers offense? Very big. I mean, that's definitely the number one guy. But one of the great things about Herbert and Mahomes is they'll throw the ball to anybody. If Ty's out there lined up and he's open, Herbert will throw the ball to him. He can drop it. Herbert will come back to him and throw it to him. So that's a great thing about him as a quarterback.

Mahomes, a lot of the great ones are like that. So it's a big thing, but I think they'll be able to adjust and be fine. Ty, I could imagine your getoff, your releases are fucking top notch. You watched Devontae Adams for far too long. Exactly, exactly. I almost feel like I've been out there with him for all this time. Are either one of you guys worried about it? I think it's easy to get enamored with how good both their offenses are

and all these teams are, but we talked about it ad nauseum last year. It's still a Thursday game. Everyone is saying, hey, points, points, points. They want to take the over and everything. Do you think there's still a possibility that it's sloppy? That's going to make me want to take the Chiefs, I think, even more because how they looked in week one, they looked like they picked up right where they left off last year.

Now, will they be able to continue that momentum four days later against a team that knows them very fucking well? And division games are always tough. Four and a half is a lot, though, Tony. That's going to swing some people, right? That's a lot. Yeah, I think this is a lot of week two is like a buy low, sell high situation for teams that looked good.

Like, say, like the Broncos and Seattle game. People are going to be all over Seattle this week just because they looked good like say like the the broncos and seattle game people are gonna be all over seattle this week just because they looked good against the broncos overreaction betting correct exactly so you got to be careful with that in week two now the chargers did win but the chiefs were a much more clean uh clean yeah like easy win against a perceived good team of the cardinals do we know who the Cardinals are yet? I don't know. But I believe a lot of this money coming in on the Chiefs is because of how good they looked against the Cardinals. In Arizona, by the way. Yeah, in Arizona.

But I just remember this is always a close game. One of the games went to overtime last year, and then the other one uh was his first game herbert's first game 15 minutes before the game tyra taylor's um you know they put a golf tee through his lung and then justin herbert comes in that was against the chiefs i think knocked that guy out yeah and then the herbert patrick mahomes thing people were trying to cook at the american century championship if they saw it remember like herbert's guy he said i'll believe it when i see it or whatever.

I think he was just drunk fucking around with that person. Somebody made it a big deal. But Chargers Chiefs are fucking two programs that know each other very well. You gotta remember that. What I think is being slept on is the Chargers couldn't close out a game before. They closed out last week. Khalil Mack had three sacks. They had

what, three interceptions. The defense is much, much improved. J.C. back? I don't know. Not yet. He was limited at practice. Does it matter if J.C. is back or no? Yeah.

He's a game changer. He's a top three, four corner in the league. So that definitely matters. Derwin James looked unbelievable. Like you said, Khalil Mack still is Khalil Mack. He's still got Bosa. So you got some dogs on that defensive line, and that can always change the game.

But, you know, these two quarterbacks, these two offenses are going to be fireworks. They're going to get theirs, right? Yeah, they're going to get theirs. 54 and a half is high total. Yeah, especially for a Thursday night game week two. Yeah. Because normally the offense is a little slow out the gate, but I think everybody watching the Chiefs was like,

Yeah, they started fast. So everybody forgot about the Chiefs because Tyreek Hill left. A lot of conversation about Tyreek. It needed to be said podcast and what everything's going on down in Miami with Tua and McDaniel, most accurate quarterback in this. Everybody's forgotten like the Chiefs is still the Chiefs and need to be treated as the Chiefs until the Chiefs prove they ain't the Chiefs anymore.

That team is still going to fucking go, but the Chargers are going to be a brand new team. Go ahead, Conor. Yeah, Chargers are awesome, and I worry about the fact that the Cardinals really didn't have any good D linemen out there with J.J. Water compared to a Bosa and a Mack and a Tillery up front. But also with the J.C. Jackson thing, Mahomes just said last week, like, hey, it doesn't matter.

I feel bad for fantasy managers, but it's going to someone new every week. Does that affect having a stud, bona fide number one corner where it's like, hey, even if he's covering let's say juju my homes might not go to juju once that game because of the fact that's what lockdown corners do though lockdown corners eliminate a player from game right and that's kind of what we're looking for and patch rums like wow that we might be doing that by ourselves exactly yeah and it's tough it's tough to do that against that type of offense and then their go-to guy their number one target is kelsey so kelsey's gonna get his he's gonna get his targets he's gonna get um but who plays kelsey the best in the entire national football derwin james like

that's the guy that last week they were comfortable leaving him one on one with waller a bunch so you could double adams and renfro in third down situation so now you'll see that uh matched up that that's going to be a hell of a match up to watch and And it'll be a lot of one-on-one, so I'm excited to see it. This is in the kingdom? Yes, this is in KC. Okay, so that is going to – like I'm kind of – as this conversation is taking place, I've kind of gone back and forth in my head on what I'm going to take. And we won't give our picks until tomorrow because let's let this line settle. Of course.

Let's let this line settle into what it's going to be. And let's find out who's playing, who's not playing. We're all assuming Keenan Allen's not going to be in a muscle injury short week, week two. We can fucking move on. It is a divisional game, though. Yeah. Big game.

You can steal one from Kansas City. In both of those locker rooms, they probably know, like, this is the team that we'll have to worry about at the end of the season. You know, you obviously have the Raiders. You've got the Broncos in the division who are good teams with good players. But these, I think, will be the top two teams in the division. Let's pivot away from this game and go back to last week. And, Tone, you kind of hit on this a little bit.

You said people are going to overreact to Seattle. They're going to love Seattle. We're getting some sound bites out of Seattle, a Seattle sports podcast. Brock Huard and Mark, Matt, Mark, sorry about just getting. Mike. I mean, it was one of those. We are sorry, Mike. We do apologize.

They had Pete Carroll on their podcast, though, and Pete Carroll was wide open. Now, presented by Alaska Airlines, who has more flights than just to Alaska, I've been told. Alaska Airlines has a deal with Russell Wilson. I believe they gave him a 757. Now, I don't know if Alaska Airlines is still going to be locked up with Russell Wilson after the podcast that they are certainly a sponsor of Lower Left Corner of had Pete Carroll on. And Pete Carroll, pretty transparent and candid about what this game meant to the Seattle Seahawks.

Who knows if they'll be able to get up next week after this emotional dump, it seemed like, beating Russell Wilson. Go ahead and run this from Pete Carroll just the other day. I didn't need the validation. I just wanted it. I just wanted to win. I wanted to win for all of the reasons that come along with this one. Maybe as much as anything is representing the guys that have played before.

It meant a lot to those guys. I was so thrilled to be able to hug those guys up and see them and look them in the eye. Why did it mean so much to them? You figure that out. You figure that out. It was really meaningful, and they really wanted it. I knew we were playing for a lot more than just the regular stuff. And we have a real connection with the history of it.

And the legend, I don't know, do we have a legends group that those guys would fit into? Yeah. They all belong in it, you know. And they feel it, and they love the fact that they played here, and they love seeing us do well. And this night, they realized there was a big opportunity and a big statement to be made. You know, the game isn't about an individual player here or there.

It's about team. This is the ultimate team sport, and it's been stated so many times before. It takes everybody. And sometimes when so much focus goes, you know, the ultimate team sport for and it's been stated so many times before it takes everybody and uh sometimes when so much focus goes you know it just you know it just rubbed guys wrong i guess whatever but uh i'm thrilled that we won that game brock you had one question i don't know what his follow-up was yeah he'd been asking for it since the middle of pete's answer and i don't think he expected pete to continue to elaborate on everything that he did and we appreciate the

seattle sports youtube for getting that clip into the sports media world but pete carroll said uh why do you think this one meant more well you can figure that out you can figure that out and he said a multitude of reasons and everything like that it's not about one player it's about the team it sounds like all the anonymous shit that we had been hearing and had been trickling out over the last couple weeks and then them booing the fuck out of them coming out there it's like oh that's what happened huh and i think pete carroll's speech the night before was remember russ said he can't win with you guys we can't win here we got to go somewhere else he can't become a top five quarterback here that that's what that sounded like to me and i don't want to be the

classic media guy that says it pete carroll fucking hates russell willis have you is that what you heard too or is that you definitely heard it i I don't know about Hayden. I don't know why he would hate him. You know, the guy helped get you a Super Bowl championship, you know, won a ton of games there. Was surprised by the boos from the 12s to Russ. You know, it's a game. It's an opponent. When Peyton came back to Indy, the crowd cheered him on, at least when he came out. And then once we started playing, you know, they obviously got after him but um that was weird but uh hearing pete talk i feel like he said a lot

without without saying you know i still think he said a lot like he didn't he didn't openly say you know i just want to hug those guys up and it meant more to the guys that have been here before and played with them before you know the people that basically felt like they got shit on by Russell Wilson and Team 3 in there. It's almost, you know, I don't want to. Listen, I'm a Team 3 fan. I got some of their merch. Of course. I'm wearing some good man brand myself. Love Russ.

Let's ride. Let's ride. Okay, I'm all in there. But whenever you start thinking back to how this all happened with Team 3, and Russ trying to stay baby face in Team 3, basically saying, oh, the offense line's not that good. The offense isn't that good. He wants to be a top-five quarterback. Doesn't think he'll be able to do it here in Seattle.

And, you know, I assume Team 3 was telling Russ, hey, we'll take all the heat. It'll be us that's saying it. You don't have to say anything. It sounds like that didn't work. It feels like Pete Carroll's letting his team know exactly where they stand in Russ's life. And Russ, I assume bygones will be bygones at some point if they have success again. And in the future, he'll come back and he'll do that. Raise the flag.

Raise the banner and everything. At some point, that'll happen because they did have a lot of success. But it does feel like it ended not great over there. And Seattle getting that win. I don't know if we can judge that Seahawks team like they're going to play that game every single week because it did feel like, hey, this one, this is our fucking moment to tell this guy to go fuck himself, it felt like.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think that's that outlandish really. We joked about it like, oh, Pete Carroll hates this guy's fucking guts. But then when you like the players talking about it after the game, like how bad they wanted it. Shelby Harris? Yeah, you guys would know. He came over from Denver, right? Yeah. He traded him away.

That's what happens when you trade away a new lineman, he said afterwards. But how often does that happen where a guy switches teams and guys in the locker room that were just teammates with that guy are actually like, fuck this guy. We need to beat this guy. It's like, that shit doesn't happen. And I think to Connor's point yesterday, like with Peyton coming here and them cheering and everything,

like Russell wanted out. Like they can say Team 3 did whatever. Like, he orchestrated a way for him to get out of Seattle. So I think all those guys are like, you know, and then who knows what kind of preferential treatment. Like, he's kind of an eccentric guy anyway, so who knows how close he is with the team. Like, he is a walking cliche. Like, I think it's very possible that all those guys are like, yeah, fuck this guy. He thought he was better than us.

After the game, Darius, you noticed something I think a lot of people did after the game on the field. Yeah, I mean, part of it is, you know, he says, Russ says, and, you know, I don't want to, like, jump on Russ. No, we don't either. We're fans. Let's ride. Great player. You know, I think he's a great guy, at least from what I can see. But he does put out a lot of, I think, like.

Bullshit? Yeah, it's like bullshit. And, like, obviously we can see through it. Like, your quarterback and a lot of these quarterbacks, a lot of them, especially the great ones, are me guys. Like, they want to win. They are team leaders. Have to be.

Yeah, but none of them are me guys. I think Russ is a me guy. I think the people in the locker room, the people around the NFL knows that. He does the other stuff. And, like I said, nothing's wrong with that. A lot of them is. But when you come and you get on the podium and you give in the locker room, the people around the NFL knows that. He does the other stuff. And like I said, nothing's wrong with that. A lot of them is. But when you come and you get on the podium and you give all the other stuff, that's when it's like, okay, like just be yourself.

And then on the field after the game, you know, which is always, especially when a quarterback comes back to their own place. Or anybody. Yeah, but especially the quarterback. You know, if it's Brady or Peyton or A-Rod, like it's always going to be a circus of cameras and crew where you almost have to get through them to be like, hey, man, good to see you. And like for like probably the first probably 30 seconds after the game,

it was like he was just out there on an island. And that was like weird. Like you've been in this locker room for, what, 10 years? Yeah. And like it should be like that. Trainers. Like the first few guys. Equipment managers.

Peyton came back, it wasers, security, equipment, media. Everybody just wanted to shake a hand. So that was odd to see. But, you know, it's week one. Hopefully those Broncos and Russ, you know, they ride and have a good year. Same with Seattle, man. I was happy to see Geno come out and play like he did, ironically, within the system. You know, just play action, make you read, make you throw.

It was a little time. Geno wasn't cooking. Yeah, a few times. They let Geno cook. Exactly. So it was kind of probably like a little fuck you there. Like, hey, he's just doing it. Just how he dialed it up.

And he had a couple plays where he went off script and made plays. But I was glad to see Geno play. I'm sure it was a lot online for him, too. Two plays, one inch in total, 14 points missed out on. That is, I mean mean that's obviously the determiner in that game but it feels like for seattle that felt very very good and you talk about the peyton thing i think any player that leaves teammates and equipment managers that get along are going to tap up afterwards quarterback you're just saying it's going to be on tv if it

happens i think what you're talking about we see it but, I had to wait in line for the Peyton thing. I was like, all right, I got to show my respects here. Welcome back. Great to see you. Have a good one. Cheers. We beat him, I think, every time we played against him. So he wasn't necessarily thrilled at all.

And we all knew that. Peyton, I love Peyton. He's another me guy to an extent. Like, I run the show. It's my show. But, yeah, it's my show from on the field to off the field. You know, I've started, like, but team players respect that because that's who you are. You know what I mean?

So, and when he's on TV talking about the game, he's kind of going to talk about, you know, at certain times, okay, maybe he could have checked into a run. And you see Saturday getting out, hey, run the fucking ball. It's like, no, I'm running the football. You know, and we can respect that if that's who you are, but just don't be with the phony shit. But, yeah, it was – So on that point there, we met Tim Tebow. Yeah. Okay.

That's really him. Bingo. So we started thinking that Russell Wilson may be just like Tim Tebow. Like, yeah, he is just full-time. His natural reaction is to be the best human of all time in every single situation. Like, because that's what Tebow was. And I think naturally, as somebody that went to school at the same time as Tebow, and we had a quarterback on our team that was getting nowhere near the love

that Tim Tebow was, and our guy was a fucking guy. So I think I naturally was like, fuck this guy. Does anybody want to have a cold beer with this guy? No. Does anybody want to smoke with this guy? No. Does anybody want to hang out with this guy? No. Does anybody want to smoke with this guy? No. Does anybody want to hang out with this guy? No.

Fuck this guy. That's how I felt. And I think a lot of people felt that way about Tebow. He was forced on television. Now, he had people that loved him and the ratings went through the roof every time he was on. That's why he was forced on TV.

But for a long time as I was younger, I was like, this guy, get him off the fucking television. I cannot take this anymore. You probably thought it was phony. Yes. We meet him though and he's

that human awesome like times 10 almost because he was there we got to see him in different situations that we never see him on TV

then I start talking to everybody that knows him they're like all day every day that's what he's like so I think I took that learning experience of judging

Tim Tebow for being a fake motherfucker because I never met somebody like that before into the Russell Wilson situation. And every time we talked about Russell doing something incredibly corny,

like Mr. And a number of other things, we're like, hey, hey, hey, that's just who he is. We can't be making fun of somebody that, like, that's just how, remember from Tebow. We judged him. He was that guy. Russell, we can't do the same thing.

It does feel slowly like maybe he isn't that guy all the time which is why people have the reaction which i think is even more further to your table shit is funny too because i that was one of the things i knew a lot of people that played at florida at the time and everyone knows what type of uh characters he was dealing with in that locker room cup killer so for half so to have Tebow as the leader of that team, everybody that played with him would run through a brick wall for Tebow. Like he was that type of leader through and through. And it was just real.

We just saw a clip that the Jacksonville Jaguars put out that I don't know why the hell they put it out from Trevor Lawrence. Oh, it's a social thing. Like walking out of the tunnel. Worst than a bad ball. My God. But that's who he is. And that's kind of who we've always seemed to be.

So I'm always a proponent of being yourself, even at that quarterback position. You just got to be the best version of yourself. Because everybody else is going to know. Everybody else is going to know. Trevor Lawrence does not seem to be the hype-motivated guy. He seems like, hey, let's swag out. He's going to be like this all the time. And I think the reason why Trevor Lawrence is like that and other guys,

I think I saw Andrew like this. Even though I saw a little fire out of him mirror once in a while, he would get excited. It was awesome to see because it's like, oh, that's the smartest human I've ever encountered who has natural emotion like I have. That's one of one. But when you get propped up, okay, up onto the moon, basically. I mean, Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck, these guys, since they're in high school. Andrew Luck was the next John Elway his freshman year of high school. And he came from a successful family.

He was getting hoisted as the next John Elway since his freshman year of high school. Trevor Lawrence, same thing, I think, since his sophomore year of high school. Hey, this guy is going to be the number one quarterback of all time. So I think some of those guys, they don't want to be ever considered too arrogant or too flashy. So they have to be like business people in high school and in college. And they're hoisted up to kind of maintain still being hungry and everything. So I think it almost takes some emotion out of guys. I think they're scared to look a certain way.

Because they don't want to be unrelatable to their teammates. They don't want to seem too arrogant or too flashy but also they've kind of been there done that with everything since their sophomore year high school so i think it kind of takes emotion out of some of those top guys like trevor lawrence's speech were like hey let's go swag guys i was like oh my god this guy how bored is he with football but i also think the reason why he's like that is because he doesn't want anybody to say, like, this guy is super cocky or arrogant. I think, you know, like that's just my own personal judgment upon these people that are at this super high level and have been for a long, long time.

Remember, he got killed for just coming out in the draft, just basically saying football wasn't everything. You know what I mean? Like something which is real life. Like people have lives outside of football. you're really obviously good at the sport and it's your livelihood but him just saying that the entire media world kind of jumped on so to your point like i understand especially him being young growing up pretty much a social media area where every everything is everything that's a part yeah so once again though be yourself he won't be doing any pre-game hype speeches like Drew Brees

in the huddle before the game. But it isn't a game with emotions, though. So you don't need to ride a rock, but come on, you got to be able to get after an O-lineman or a receiver, somebody at some point. So that'll be some growth we'll see, I'm sure. And it feels like it just takes away the whole chip on your shoulder mentality that like Josh Allen has or, you know, any guys.

199. Sure. Yeah, Brady. Anybody who's not like the top of their draft in the top of their class that's why like while we're talking about this it makes me think about like arch manning like arch manning has been built up since he was what eighth seventh grade and you know now he's the highest recruit ever as a quarterback some guys make it though yeah is it possible to have that mentality while still being like the highest recruit of all time? It's very interesting because I think you have to have an adult pro mentality as a teenager. And there's no way I would have been able to hit it. There's no way I would have been able to hit it.

I moved to number one kicker in the United States after going to a camp or something. And the next day, I'm like, I'm fucking greatest of all time. You know what I mean? I wanted to get better And I wanted to continue to work Because of who my parents are And everything like that But if you're the quarterback

And it's like That's hard That's hard to handle That's the same thing With these NIO deals Like these guys are getting Hundreds of thousands of dollars I had 40 grand in Morgantown

And I was I was out every single night It's like I couldn't even imagine If I had a million bucks With zero people around me That have ever been successful zero understanding of anything really and i just have all this like that's gonna change the way i work i think it's gonna change the way i act so you're gonna be

incredibly mentally tough i would assume arch manning with his uncles yeah he's been at the manning passing academy since he's been this big they've been treating him like hey you're a fucking pro dude like this is this is why, dude. This is why you got to work. This is why you got to get better, as opposed to like, I'm just trying to make it. I'm starving to make it, which is two very different mindsets going into a young age, I think. It's tough, too. We always talk about being able to handle success.

Sometimes that's a lot harder than even handling failure. Everybody knows you fail. Shit, I got to do something better. I got to do something different, get back to it. But when you're always at the top, you got to continue to push yourself. And Brady, 199, but he's been the best quarterback in the league for over a decade now. So he's got to continue to push himself. So that's tough, man. It's not just football players, but obviously athletes and entertainers.

You got so many eyes on you, not only from the outside, but your family. But everybody kind of struggles with that at a young age. I know people that go on Wall Street, make a bunch of money, get a bunch of bonuses early in their 20s. Kings, kings. Fucking blow through it, run through it, and then obviously they've got 40 years to be in the market to get it back. But for athletes, it's a short time.

So having those people that have done it before you, like the Pat Sertains of the world or Winfield, Antoine Winfield, who you had on here, Luck, Manning, that does help kind of. Generational. Yeah, it does help, you know, kind of later. Hey, this is what I did. This is where I fucked up. You're going to fuck up, but you're going to fuck up your own way. But at least you know, you know, what some things not to do, some things to do to help you.

I think for me, I would have never. I I'm very lucky that for a large part of my life, I had daughters. So even like Tom. Tom had a lot of doubters. So as he gets old and he becomes the greatest, he seeks out. Who is it? That fucker said I'm washed, huh? Gets him right back in the mentality when he was a 19-year-old, a 20-year-old, going to get it.

I don't know how those guys handle it that have just been. I feel like those are probably the most important years when you're actually coming, you know, Michael Jordan getting cut from his high school team. You know, just shit like that. Like, you never forget those type of things. Once again, if you're always at the top, you have to get that internally.

I don't know if I would have been able to do it. At some point, like Trevor Lawrence last year, rookie year, that was probably the first year where he felt like, damn, I kind of suck. People think I'm bad. People are saying I'm bad. Yeah, like every week of his life before that, he was probably the best player on the field most Saturdays, most Fridays.

And now you get out there on Sundays, like this shit is. And then the guy that's leading us, he stinks too. He's kicking the kicker. So it's tough, man. That's another thing that's important is the people that are around you, the groups, the meeting rooms, the leaders, the coaches. All that shit matters, man. But I'm rooting for all these guys. Me too.

And I think that's why you have to remember humans. We're dealing with humans here. Everybody plays the video game and plays fantasy football, and you see the numbers and the ratings. You're talking about humans who have actual egos, have emotions, have family, have drives, have mistakes, have all that. It's a fascinating experiment on how humans interact. Now here's an experiment. Nathaniel Hackett, how will you respond? Nathaniel Hackett of the Denver Broncos has come out and spoke about the

situation that took place at the end of that game where they relied upon a 64-yard field goal from Brandon McManus who has a massive leg. Brandon McManus has a massive leg, is already a Super Bowl champion, has made massive kicks in big moments, very talented motherfucker. I am a Brandon McManus fan. He was here with the Colts for a training camp and for an offseason. I love Brandon McManus. So him waiting for the 64-yard or letting the clock go down,

especially while Peyton Manning's on ESPN 2 saying, let's get one here. Maybe talk about it here. Maybe get one. Maybe talk about it. Probably want to get one here. Oh, geez. Yeah, and then Shannon Sharp jumps on top of it

again. So Nathaniel Hackett has had to answer for the situational awareness at the end of the game. This is what he had to say. Sounds pretty familiar. Go ahead, Nathaniel Hackett. You know, looking back at it, we definitely should have gone for it. Not, you know, one of those things. You look back at it and you say, of course we should go for it.

We missed the field goal. But in that situation, we had a plan. I mean, we had a plan. We knew that 46 was the mark we were third and 15 i think third and 13 i'm more upset about that play before it to lose yards to be able to you know getting that there would have definitely been better to be able to call that same play and get extra yards but he dumps it out to giovante giovante makes a move goes a lot farther than i think we had anticipated we were were expecting to go for it on fourth down.

And then you hit the mark, the mark that we had all set before we started. We said 46 yards, 46-yard line was where we wanted to be. And we got there. So we had to make the decision if we wanted to give it to Brandon. And we did. And it didn't work. It sucks. But, hey, that's part of it.

Makes sense. So it's kind of what we talked about yesterday i don't think he had any idea that he was going to get in the field goal range fourth and five 250 some dollar court or million dollar quarterback nathaniel hackett offensive guru i can see where everybody's like hey we're automatically going for it we're automatically going for it for whatever reason as soon as they get to the 46 he goes oh fuck if we don't get this sport down and we don't go for a kick i'm an asshole if we pick up the fourth down we continue to move we kick i'm a hero we make

this kick i just drain the clock down longer so they don't have as much time to come back and hit a field goal on us that's one of those hindsight deals you know even though peyton manning said call timeout 62 times in the final minute he's on espn2 peyton said call a timeout 62 times omaha productions did the stats and analytics so that obviously sets the tone for everybody that doesn't know uh what should potentially happen when peyton manning one of the smartest football minds in history he's also one of the biggest broncos fans going right now is saying it's easy to do that i think nathaniel hackett's like peton, what do you want me to do? Well, you and your friends like McManus.

You fucking love McManus. Guy's got a big leg. He makes that kick. This isn't a conversation. But you miss it, obviously everybody's going to call everything into question. Yeah, I mean, and that's his decision. And honestly, I would have rather he just not even came out and said this. He just said, hey, this is the decision.

This was the game plan. We got to the mark. We put it on Brandon's leg. He missed it. We move on. Like, we went the fourth and two game, my rookie year against Peyton. Bill went for it. We didn't get it.

Melvin Bullock. And he was getting everybody's comment. He's like, hey, you know, he came to talk to the team. That's the decision I made. You know, one thing you'll be able to say is I'm not scared. You know, at the point, we couldn't stop Peyton. So, we had to just keep the ball. And that was the decision he made. So, Brandon Staley, a bunch of games last year,

he went for it on fourth down six, eight times. Hey, that's the identity of the team. And then this year you see he's kind of punting, been a little more conservative. But you make your decision as a coach. That's why they get paid the big bucks. It's a tough position. It's a tough hat to wear.

But you make that decision, you learn from it, and you go forward. I don't think you come back and say, you know what, yeah, we should have, like, because now... No, no, no. Hold on. I'm okay with him saying I should have done differently. Let me tell you why. Neil Brown against Pitt made a terrible decision. I forget exactly what it was. It was fourth and one from the fourth. Yeah, we punted it. Fourth

and an inch or something like that against Pitt in whatever the case, we would be able to move. Punt it, they go down, they win the game or whatever, and they asked him about it afterwards, and he said, I wouldn't have changed a thing. It's like, we'll be able to move. Ponce it, they go down, they win the game or whatever. And they ask him about it afterwards. He said, I wouldn't change a thing. It's like, we lost today. Yeah. No, we will.

We would change it. Hey, Neil, we would. Have to. I appreciate your conviction. I appreciate you being like, yeah, in the moment, it was the right play. I'm doing it again. But we just lost another game. The time's over.

Yeah, exactly. Guys got to make some plays. So I wonder if the question was, Hackett, if you were to do that again, would you do it differently and that's why he felt obligated? Or if he was trying to explain to Peyton, what the fuck? Hey, listen, if anybody can fucking tell 18 this is what we're doing, I'm trying my goddamn best here. That's probably one time you want a defensive head coach on the sideline

that's not in the quarterback's ear probably saying let it run down and take a timeout. Because these guys that run the show when they're on the field, they're calling a timeout right there. Yeah. And now it's going to be 50-something seconds. The timeout is called. Now we've got to figure it out from here.

You're talking about Russ. So, now Russ, if he has a coordinator, play caller, head coach in his helmet, say, hey, we're taking the time here. Whatever we call it. I forgot the name we used to call it. But we're draining the time. Milk. Yeah, we're going to milk it.

We're going to kick the field goal here. That's the decision. But most quarterbacks, and that's fourth and five, they just gave me, what, 200-plus million? 245. Like, what are we doing? I'm in Seattle. Yeah, but they had four minutes to move the ball,

and they only had to move like 35 yards. But I agree with what you're saying. You threw for 300-something yards. Like, we got to be able to get five yards. It's not like it was a 60-yard. It was a 58-yard. It's a 64-yard field goal. Yeah, we got to be able to get five yards. It's not like it was a 60-yarder. It was a 58-yarder. It's a 64-yard field goal. Yeah, it's a long ball.

That would have been a record for a long time in the NFL. If he doesn't say, hey, we could do it differently and does what you did and say, you know, we got it to where McManus told us to, is that throwing him under the bus? 1,000%. Throwing him under the bus. McManus. But you also don't think about that.

Like, you said it yesterday, but as a first-time head coach especially, like he's panicking and he probably just of everything remembers 46. He's like, oh, he said 46 was his mark. He's automatically going to make it if we get to the 46. This just happened. This just happened. I don't want to say it. Coaches panic more than players.

Yes. So, Russ has been – we saw Russ, matter of fact, on the Manning cast. And hearing Russ talk through situational football with Eli, you know he's prepared for these situations. He's been through this in practicing games a million times. This is Nathaniel Haggis, literally his first time in this situation. And play-calling. Play-calling and head coach.

First time. So this is like, I mean, come on, man. Fourth and five. We can call a timeout. We can literally get our best play to get five yards. I know they couldn't get one yard. We've got to get five yards here and keep this thing going with two more timeouts in the minute left. But if you make that decision as a coach, you've got to just go to the next week.

It's over with. And you know, if you get the first down, you're moving it closer for McManus. You're already in field goal range. I think McManus probably was like, yeah, let's go. We're here. Let's do it. Because if they don't pick up that first down on that fourth and five and they don't kick, they're immediately asking McManus,

who has a massive leg in the local media at least, hey, how far do you think he could have hit from? McManus probably says 46. 46 is a lot. You think they're going to ask McManus after the game if Russ goes forward on fourth down and five. And they don't kick. And Seattle doesn't make it. I think so.

And they're going to ask McManus where do you think he could have hit from? I think somebody would try to stir shit to make Hackett look bad. You don't think so? He doesn't get a kickoff there? I think we're talking about the guy that just got $250 million back in his stadium. Not able to pick up a fourth and five. That couldn't get to five. You know what I mean?

Now, the fumbles on the goal line, maybe not as far for like one of them. You know, it was crowd noise. It got a late snap, but the play calls I think were terrible. Direct runs from the gun I think was a bad cause. Glass Gown thought it was a throw. Timeout. We dial our best player up. You get it or you don't. I feel like that's the time when you put it in

your best player's hands. Yeah, I understand that completely. I think he's fucked either way, unless he picks up the first down and goes. They don't get a kickoff down one. I think everybody's judging him for it. And maybe not everybody. Conversation is definitely on Russell, especially because of the one-inch line multiple times.

But I think as a head coach, you'd see a lot of people like, his decision-making, obviously, is this and that. Yeah, that whole – it's an interesting game. I think you gotta go With Russell Wilson Personally You saw Dayball in New York Go

Let's get it to Saquon And let him figure it out It was too It wasn't drawn up perfect They didn't dial it up But Saquon threw a dude off Put his head down Ran over two more guys

And got in the end zone And if he didn't get it Dayball's an idiot I know You're not an idiot He was having a great game You gave him an opportunity To win the game

We lost it. On to next week. Yeah, this is the first and goal with Saquon, obviously. Good to see him back out there. He's NFC Offensive Player of the Week. They were giving out the awards. Saquon was absolutely balling. But I think in the world that we're in,

and I'm only saying this because we have to watch everybody talk about it, unless they pick up a first down go on and score which russell wilson has done in the past on a regular basis you know marching down the field making a play at the end he's a he's a player i think hackett's probably getting bashed regardless yeah i mean you know i honestly believe especially because there's such 50 50 plays like we talked about yesterday with mcdaniel on fourth and seven if he doesn't get down the patriot score and then the momentum shifts. But like Hackett saying, yeah, the plan was 46, and then they get to the 46, and then instead of calling timeout

and checking, it was like he started to panic, even though his plan was to get to the 46. Now you call timeout, though, you leave more time on the clock for them to come back after he makes a 64-yarder. But also, if they don't get it, then there's more than 40 seconds on the clock. You can still use those two timeouts like you did and maybe at least get a punt the other way.

Because there's like 58 seconds, right? You call a timeout. Three timeouts. Yeah, if you don't get the ball, then there's probably, what, 50 seconds left? You probably get at least a punt. If that's in Denver, maybe I feel like it's more of a 50-50 on a 64-yard kick. No, stats say it's much lower. Stats say it's much lower.

I don't give a fuck what the stats say. No, they say you're never going to make that 64-yard. The stats are saying no chance of making that 64-yard. It's like one of the last whatever 50 years. I can see him making that. Eight of 69. Yeah, in Denver, I can see Brandon making that. So in Denver, does that ball stay straight a little bit longer

because it's traveling further and it's going in there? Hell of a hit. Anyways, let's get to a break. Let's learn football on the other side. Nathaniel Hackett's learning what life is like as a head coach. This is it. Monday Night Football in a hornet's nest of Seattle. I mean, it is.

Opening week. Peyton inadvertently. Just putting a massive spotlight on it. 62 times. That's what I'm saying. That's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Obviously, Dan Hackett. Let's think about it.

He's telling you, like, hey, let's think about it. Literally, you see the thought process. It was, what, three Hall of Famers up there? I'll put Eli in the Hall of Fame. You got Shannon, Eli, Peyton, they're all saying the same thing. It's probably the Rockets. Ball goes through, though. He's a genius. Yeah, true. And that's football.

Ball goes through. They still got, Geno still got, what? 15 seconds. Oh, it was only 15? Yeah, that's why he was running it down. So that's why I think he ran it down. He thought that ball was going in. They only got 15 seconds to get back in field goal range. Would have been up two. Scores zero points in the second half. He's putting a lot of faith in McManus is all I'm saying.

Yeah. Which? A fifth was a fifth. I'm with. Yeah. Bang. Big brain stuff. We can't thank Darius Butler enough for what he just did.

Can't wait to watch that back later and become an even smarter human being. The Talks Table is here. At Ty Schmidt. At Boston Connor. One half of the hammer even smarter human being. The Talks Table is here. At Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. One half of the hammer. Dad. Cowboys Tone Diggs is here. Darius Butler, who just did everything DB live in studio, broke down some films live here.

And joining us now from Manatee, Ohio, a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, A.J. Hall. Hey, A.J. A.J. What's up, D-Butt? Hey, that was awesome, man. I just got to see all that. I love it. I appreciate you, man. Honestly, A.J., What's up, D-Bud? Hey, that was awesome, man. I just got to see all that. I love it.

Yeah, hey. Appreciate you, man. Honestly, AJ, like, I think that type of shit would never get the amount of time it's needed to have a conversation with. And now that we have rights and we have the ability to say, yeah, let's fucking do it, I'm really excited we did that. Thank you, D-Bud. Appreciate you, man.

That's a big game changer. What was the big learning curve there, we think? We think communication's a big fucking deal. Communication's always key, and that's why we spend so much time. Pre-snap. Yeah, pre-snap communication, but even before you go into games. Like, as soon as that week starts. Like, when you're playing against these star players who kind of change the math on offense,

like, we can't just go out and say, hey, we're going to run our shit. Like, no, we got to stop this guy and make somebody else beat us. Kind of like Pittsburgh did. Jamar made some plays, obviously late. But for the most part, like, all right, we're not going to let this guy and make somebody else beat us. Kind of like Pittsburgh did. Jamar made some plays, obviously late. But for the most part, like, all right, we're not going to let Jamar beat us. Somebody else does. So it's a lot of communication, a lot of kind of finagling coverages.

And that's why it's tough to know exactly what people are playing or exactly what. Because you don't know the adjustments that are made on the sidelines and meeting rooms. But that's where pros become pros. And we'll see a lot more of that in your segment that will debut. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Can't wait for that.

Thank you, DB, for joining us. AJ, do you feel like you got smarter? I assume, you know, some guys on that particular film that we just watched are hitting the same thing in a meeting room. But it was nice to kind of – I feel like wait until I drop a high school cover three reference. You know what I mean? I feel smarter, AJ.

Well, that's what I wanted to ask D, but on there, with that cut split from Jefferson on the back side, like in the boundary, wouldn't you want to check to – I don't know what the rules are there in Green Bay, but I want to pass that off. I'm telling – I'm signaling instantly over there to Rasul Douglas, hey, man, these guys are coming. Let's cross this past this. That's tough to do when it's three extended.

If you rewind it back, Foxy, like remember that Philly play with Devin Allen running down the field? He was like, all right, when it's two out there, that's when you can swap it off. You can zombie, kind of vacate the middle of the field to safety and that backside corner goes. But when it's three receivers, that's tougher to do. I honestly only seen one team, one secondary do it, and I think it was Denver Broncos would like to leave Chris Harris, Broby.

Like those guys, like once again, that's something they probably talked about on Thursday. When you get this set, this is something they like. So if we get this, we're passing this shit off because we're not about to tear our hands out. But how would – we know Legion of Boom, they were a big cover three team. How would they have played that? Oh, so they used to insert Cam Chancellor or, you know, have KJ,

whoever had that weak hook. And that kind of was the game changer with them. And they also had Earl Thomas, who, you know, was a great – You got to run with it, right? No, they pass that off. Those corners, like Richard Sherman's not running with that shit. No, I mean your weak hook. Don't you like backside of a weak hook?

Don't you have to carry anything coming back across? Yep. So he would take that. He would take that and he'll be fine. But the Legion of Boom, they were so dialed in once again. So the Broncos, they're secondary. They were dialed in from the man-to-man standpoint where they knew they were going to get difficult things,

stacks, bunches, motions. The Seahawks, they knew everybody knew coming into the building they're going to be playing some type of cover three. But they would switch it up sometime. They would insert Earl. We're talking about the Super Bowl right now? Just that team, just that secondary in general. Yeah, because also Seattle Seahawks, Legion of Boom,

they were so incredibly smart. They knew all the fucking signals too, right? Yeah. They knew. But it was just how they run their shit. They were more so when you run that zone stuff, it's more so about you and how we're going. Because you know how you're going to get attacked.

They mastered it. They didn't care. They mastered what they were going to do. They knew, hey, our offense knows what we're going to do. We're so damn good at it, how we're going to – because you know how you're going to get attacked. They mastered it. They didn't care. They mastered what they were going to do. They knew, hey, our offense knows what we're going to do. We're so damn good at it, you're not going to score. Perfect transition into what we got a chance to chat about in the first hour. And, AJ, we haven't heard your take yet. Pete Carroll went on to Seattle Sports Podcast, Seattle Sports YouTube,

and broke down why the game the other day meant a little bit more, especially for the guys that had played with Russell Wilson. You could almost hear in Pete Carroll's voice that he was like yeah this guy told all of us that we weren't good enough to win and we did this whole thing he said there's a legends community of guys that all deserve to be in there and I assume he's referencing the Legion of Boom as well and people that have done a lot in the past and they had a lot of pride in what we've done here in Seattle were you surprised to hear that podcast that answer from pete carroll and how shall we judge the good man brand himself unless it wasn't going forward honestly how it's weird i'm in a i'm in a little bit of a blender right now aj on my whole thoughts yeah i mean i guess i was a little bit

surprised to hear but i think we all know exactly how pete carroll feels like hey this is a team whatever happened with he and russ and everything like it feels like we're all over here we're a squad we're a team we're a unit and russ is over there that's like what it feels like right now and it must have felt like that the last couple years he was in seattle i imagine it just feels like everything that's and we ran in the first hour i don't know what stats and analytics tell us we've probably been past the average duration of watch time. Our average watch time is like 48 minutes or something. Did we do that more than 48 minutes ago? I believe so.

Okay, so stats tell us that we should run this video again. And this is... New audience. Look at this, real good production. That's right. Really good. How many? There's almost 50,000 people watching.

Once again, asking you why, but thankful that you did. I know why. You ain't. Hey. I ain't saying that. You are why. You are why. I hope you know that.

We appreciate the hell out of you. Let's run the Seattle Sports Podcast Pete Carroll answer to Mike Malk and Brock Huard chatting about the game on Monday night where Denver and Russell Wilson rode their Broncos back into Seattle to a course of boos and inevitably a loss to Pete Carroll and the boys. I didn't need the validation. I just wanted it. I just wanted to win. You know, I wanted to win for all of the reasons that come along with this one. Maybe as much as anything is representing the guys that have played before. It meant a lot to those guys. And I was so thrilled to be able to hug those guys up and see them

and look them in the eye. Why did it mean so much to them? You figure that out. But it was really meaningful, and they really wanted it. I knew we were playing for a lot more than just the regular stuff. What were you playing for? We have a real connection with the history of it. Do we have a legends group with the history of it. The legend.

Do we have a legends group that those guys would fit into? Yeah. They all belong in it, you know. And they feel it. And they love the fact that they played here. And they love seeing us do well. And this night, they realized there was a big opportunity and a big statement to be made. The game isn't about an individual player here or there.

It's about team. This is the ultimate team sport, and it's been stated so many times before. It takes everybody. And sometimes when so much focus goes, you know, it just, you know, it just rubbed guys wrong, I guess, whatever. But I'm thrilled that we won that game. wrong, I guess, whatever. But I'm thrilled that we won that game. Incredible conversation between Brock Heward, Mike Salk,

and Pete Carroll there. We only heard a minute and eight seconds of it. I assume the entire conversation is worth a listen. Shout out to the Seattle Sports Podcast there on YouTube. AJ, whenever you hear that, though, it's hard not to be like, oh, they hated that fucking guy. How long did they? I want to know how long this was going on while he was still there. this didn't just pop up out of nowhere what was that team three got real mouthy what was that two off seasons ago right covid covid off season team three was saying the

offensive line ain't good team three was saying the offense isn't going to make him be a top five quarterback of all time team three was thinking that they were going to take all the heat and babyface russ was going to stay in the building at least. And we talked about how, remember when it was happening, we're like, well, these offensive linemen certainly heard this. You know what I mean? Everybody in the room. First thing you said. Yeah, certainly heard this.

Like, yeah, okay, yeah. We fucking stink. But yeah, you know what? You're right. We'll battle through not being able to walk for four days of the week, being offensive linemen just in general, to help save you. And let's get you top five, pal. Like, that's what we're here for.

Not to win games, not to get playoff bonuses, not to create a legacy. But, yeah, we're not good enough to protect you. Like, that was my first reaction. Like, oh, the locker room is going to be like, hey, fuck this guy. And then those first couple days of training camp, they were on press conferences going, all is good. All is good. All is good.

Had to be from them then, A.J. Don't you think? Had to be. If not before then't you think had to be if not before then i mean i'm sure it was trickling out before that too like things were getting weird i just don't like what is it it's all like the individual stuff it sounds like they're they're pissed that he felt like he wasn't a part of the team or he's trying to separate himself from the team well team three is his team of itself right let's have a little fucking respect for the arm doctor, the hand coach, the spiritual healer, the tweeter, the

poster, the Instagrammer. The gas mask where he's riding a bike. The cardio person. Yeah, it's the cardio person. Peloton. So that's a team. It is about that team. But it's also about the Seattle Seahawks, which I think the Seahawks were trying to say like,

hey man, we're not just here to make you better. We're not just here. We're here to make the entire team better. And those anonymous stories that were leaking when that was all getting ugly. Yeah. Remember, he stormed out of a fucking meeting with Pete Carroll, told him he didn't want to do it anymore or something like that. Like, there's some real beef, I think. Well, and I think that's what led Creedence to when we were talking about John Schneider, remember, went up to Trey Lance's pro day, and they were talking about Russ maybe getting – because we were saying like,

hey, with all this stuff going on with his linemen, like how does this guy go play for the Seahawks next year? And, you know, Seattle fans were pissed because it was like, no, he loves the city and all that kind of stuff. But I wouldn't be surprised if it got to a boiling point. Then they were like, all right, fuck it. Like let's draft someone this year. Let's get this guy the fuck out of here.

Like I can't do this anymore. And ultimately, it couldn't happen. But I think it was right then and there. It's like, all right, we got one more year of this fucking guy, and then let's get him the hell out of here. So Team 3 made those statements 10 minutes before Russ went on Dan Patrick. Remember? Yeah.

Legendary Dan. It's all coming back to me right now. As you're talking, and I do apologize. I should have done more research, but welcome to the program. So it's all coming back to me right now. As you're talking, and I do apologize. I should have done more research, but welcome to the program. So it's all coming back to me. That statement was released. Then a tag team, Russ goes on Dan Patrick's show. Russ didn't deny any of it, but he didn't promote any of it either.

It was almost like, yeah, there's some things you think about, whatever you're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they're saying that, not him. And it was like, oh, they really hate each other. Didn't he in arm stores? it's been ugly for a while and i think the seahawks fans had sensed it internally too they might have been yelling at us for talking about it projecting they were yeah they were projecting exactly they knew what the fuck was going on it was all experience on monday night what a win for espn espn 2 and espn plus i guess their ratings are up i don't know how many percent from last year, but it's a lot. They put

out a tweet about ratings being up. Congrats to them. What a storyline going into the first Monday Night Football with Joe and Troy Zera. I think it was a great broadcast. I went back and forth between the Manning cast and the regular cast. When did you turn off the Manning cast? I turned it back on

when Shannon came on. You know what? Joe McHale? I don't have anything when Shannon came on. You know what? You don't have Joel McHale? What do you mean, back on? You don't have Joel McHale? I don't have anything against McHale. But it's just when guests are on there, I kind of just want the guests to just kind of just watch football with me and Eli. Like, that's for me.

And I know for different people, different strokes, different folks. For me, football, I love actually seeing even Russ. Russ was probably one of the top three guests on there because you just hear him talk through the process. You see what they're thinking. I'm like seeing Shannon Sharp, what he was thinking, seeing Eli, Peyton. So that's what I'm tuning in for. So once, you know, Mikael came on, I just went back to, you know, Joe.

Play college ball. Joe and I. Yeah, tight end in Washington. He's a legend in Seattle. Married to Chelsea Haley. 20 touchdowns his junior year. Dude, he fucking loves football. He's a star. That's awesome. Would have been a first end in Washington. He's a legend in Seattle. Married to Chelsea Haley. 20 touchdowns his junior year. Dude, he fucking loves football. He's a star.

That's awesome. Would have been a first rounder. Hey, shoot. I am Joel McHale fan. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah. Very good brain. Funny.

All the time. Does feel like he's potentially for the whites. Yeah. Does. Yeah, you could say that. Community. Donald Glover and him. Come on.

Chevy Chase. Yeah. You ever seen Atlanta? Donald Glover's in it Yeah Seen that He's a rapper too Yeah I've seen that

What are we doing here Man We're talking about Joel McHale Never saw Community Hey you weren't in the office Before the show Yeah

Darius What he said When Joel McHale I was asked I said did you watch The Manning cast Till that Jack guy Came on

So disgusting He never heard of him Never heard of him before. I looked him up after. He had like 3 million followers on Twitter. So he's got to be a pretty big deal. You'd love the soup, Darius. He was very good brain.

Good brain on that guy. Very funny. He doesn't really do anything anymore, though, does he? Except for Manningcast every once in a while. Yeah, now he tours. He's stand-up. Really? I bet you it's fucking good.

I bet you he's very good. He hosts a lot of stuff. I think he's like this tall, too. Yeah, he's like 6'4". Tight end. He's like Dan Campbell.

Wasn't he in Ted? Yeah, he was in Ted. He had Lance Armstrong's nut. Yeah. So what we're saying is you should have gave Joel a shot, maybe.

Hey, he's a great guy, but you know, it's football time. That was to end my week one. I had a parlay I was sweating Did it hit?

No it didn't Hey listen Of course Welcome to the club Yeah Fumboy to one yard line And Sertain just Freaking strapped DK

All night We should celebrate this though You had a same game parlay Promoted on number one Sportsbook in America Let's go Hey Should've hit Come on Let's go. Hey, come on.

Let's go. We always got next week. What I'm saying is, though, you're going to do much better than we do. I want to let you know because you've got a bigger brain than us. You just prove that every single day of your life and whenever this whole thing happened, this public projection of

that alongside of us thing, it can wear on you. It can get a little emotionally tough. You know what I mean? Because last year, we had $27 million in wins away from FanDuel. Then Tom Brady took two knees at the end of the game. His rush went from over 2.5 yards or whatever to under a half yards to like one and a half or something like that on the fucking kneel down at the end of the game.

I remember almost breaking my phone thinking about it. We were that close numerous times. Michael Pittman, like 13 yards away from receiving yards against the Jets last year. We had to stay for the whole game. Had to stick around for the whole thing. It was a blowout. He's running.

He gets a shoestring tackle. Doesn't make it. On the way out of the stadium, we just beat the Jets by fucking whatever, 40. Killed them. It was awesome. We're walking down the stadium. Oh, anybody saying this? Sorry, I didn't hit that.

Seven more yards. The booze. So sorry, man. The booze. Sorry. I'm like, oh, Lee. That's tough. Fucking Super Bowl.

Joe Burrow. He picks up like three more yards rushing. Maybe even on that last play, Aaron Donald pushes him and he stumbles ahead. $53 million in wins in the amount of people that are riding alongside of us. Three yards away. Scotty Miller, too. Half a yard, I'm pretty sure. So what I'm saying is, D-Butt,

I was excited to see you up there because, goddammit, we need you to win some of these. Because every time we put them up there, they are great bets. It makes sense. Everything should hit. They're long odds, too. So people that are new to gambling don't fully understand. A plus 800 is a massive bet. That's why you're getting 8-1 odds because how hard it is going to be to hit.

But we've been so close, so heartbreaking. We need you to come through for all of us. Hey, anything can happen on Sunday, but I'm going to put together some good ones. And I think I'm going to eliminate the outcome of the actual game. I'm staying away from the spread. I'm sticking with the props. Touchdown score, yardage. I think we'll be alright.

Hey, that's good. It's tragic. Just remember that it's what have you done for me lately. If you hit one week and then you don't hit the next, they will be out for blood no matter what. So we do not care. What have you done for me lately? We understand we're all on one-game contracts, aren't we? One-day contracts.

One-bet contracts. To your point, Pat. And a plus 800 bet has a 98.7% chance of failing. There you go. Not when everybody's right alongside you, though, AJ. That motherfucker better be a hundo. Gamble responsibly. Yes, absolutely gamble responsibly.

And Fando will only let you bet an amount that's safe for you. That's why the regulations are what they are, and that's why it's legal in some states and not in others because they have to get all that regulatory shit figured out for it all. And however much you bet, you're not able to jump out of that out of nowhere. Like, oh, I'm going to put my mortgage on this. I like it. And then all of a sudden I'm getting my fucking arm broken by somebody.

It's not like that. You can't do that with Fandle. So they almost force you to bet responsibly, but you certainly should remember that. Don't be betting max bets on plus 2,000 bets and expecting to hit

on the same things. I think this is an entire process, but you're going to be muting a lot of accounts. That's what I'm telling you. As somebody that's gone through this now a couple times, you're going to be muting a lot of people because there's a I'm telling you. Oh, yeah. As somebody that's gone through this now a couple times, you're going to be muting a lot of people because there's a lot of people that got figured the fuck out. Remember super wild card weekend when we all had our individual same game parlays?

We were all so close. They all didn't hit. I mean, those parlays look so good. Every time! So tasty. Especially now that I just got this full cover three, high school cover three. Yeah, exactly.

I'm going to have it all figured out. I'm going to have it all figured out. I'm going to have it all figured out. And then all of a sudden, first drive down, it's like, well, they can't stop it. I thought that's what we were doing. I thought that's actually what we were here for. So enjoy it. We're proud of you, though, man. Keep killing it, brother.

There's some more news. Nathaniel Hackett addressed what happened at the end of the game between the Seattle Seahawks and the Broncos. He basically said, do not expect to get to field goal range. We got to field goal range. We won for it. If I could do it, I would have gone for it again. Darius, pretty strong opinions in the first hour about how it's fourth and five. You paid this guy $200-some million.

Now, that drive, they started on 25. How much time did they have left? Four minutes, and they ran 10 plays for like 35 yards. So they were not moving that much, hadn't scored that many points in the game as a whole, so maybe that goes into it. Should have. This is what Nathaniel Hackett had.

Yeah, an inch, 14 points. Two plays. Maybe. One inch. Two fumbles. Doesn't matter. The fumble technically doesn't matter because the ball's going

the other way anyways, but nonetheless, this far away from fucking 14 points and covering. Yeah, and covering. And our bet hitting. Which, to our point from earlier, there's a lot of fuckery that seems to happen around these publicly placed bets. This is what Nathaniel Hackett had to say about the decision he made at the end of the game to let the clock run

while Peyton Manning said, got a cold time out here 62 times on ESPN2. Got to run that thing? You know, looking back at it, we definitely should have gone for it. Just not, you know, one of those things you look back at it and you say, of course we should go for it. We missed the field goal. But in that situation, we had a plan. I mean, we had a plan.

We knew that 46 was the mark. We were third and 15, I think, third and 13. I'm more upset about that play before it to lose yards. To be able to, you know, getting that there would have definitely been better to be able to call that same play and get extra yards. But he dumps it out to Javante. Javante makes a move, goes a lot farther than I think we had anticipated. We were expecting to go for it on fourth down. And then you hit the mark, you know, the mark that we had all set before we started. We said 46 yards, 46-yard line was where we wanted to be, and we got there. So we had to make the decision if we wanted to give it to, you know, Brandon,

and we did, and it didn't work. It sucks, but, hey, that's part of it. That's part of it. That's being the head coach. AJ, your reaction to his thoughts there? I'm okay with him being honest and letting us know that. It's tough when coaches take a stand or, nope, wouldn't change a thing. Never would do anything different.

I like that he was honest with us. Talking about Neil Brown. Coach Brown. Talking about Brown. There you go. Coaches are humans too, man. He'll be out soon. You talking about Coach Neil Brown? What about him? He wouldn't change anything, would he? Ever. Except for the final score, maybe. Change something when he's coaching high school next year.

Come on. I've been doing my research. He's probably going back to Troy, pal. Oh, he's going to Troy? If he's not going to West Virginia, he's probably going back to Troy. Whenever he was there, 10 winning seasons. Now that he's not there, they're not winning. They would love to get Neil Brown back. And I think, you know,

Neil Brown would be fantastic coaching anywhere. Yeah, and after Saturday, Troy's going to lose by 50. You're damn right. They are. Play me some mountain music like Grandma and Grandma used to play. I guess that's a song down there that they sing out in the middle of those fucking mountains at App State. Can't wait to get there, dude.

It's going to be awesome. Hour-some drive from airport, winding through the hills to get to this place. Beautiful views. I'm going to be perfect. You'll get a chopper. Yeah, drama me. I'm not getting a chopper. I'm going to experience it.

I want to experience the hills of North Carolina, you know? And then when we pop up in App State, I can't wait to see them. I'm very, very excited to get there. It's going to take me back to Morgantown. Hell yeah. It's probably going to be sweet, too, driving through everything, and then boom, just a massive university's campus in a little town. It's supposed to be a beautiful Saturday, too.

Oh, I can't. It's always going to be a beautiful day. What's the game? App State Troy. Oh, okay. Ever heard of it? Fucking you ever hear of the Thumb Belt? The Thumb Belt?

Thumb Belt. Thumb Belt. Oh, yeah, Thumb Belt, absolutely. Troy, they put some dogs out. DeMarcus. DeMarcus. You give them that check, they're going to come there and beat you. It's a 50-50.

They actually got college game day from Texas A&M whenever they beat Texas A&M last week because I believe the plan was probably, they don't tell me shit, once again, bottom of the totem pole just got there last week. I don't know if this was announced or not, but assumed Miami's going to Texas A&M this weekend. So I think game day had, I think everybody had their eyes like, bam, there is the game for week two.

Then App State comes in against all those paid guys, gets a win, gets a check, goes back home, and game day's never been to App State. It's like – Why not? It feels like this would be the right play. Let's fucking do this. I guess they're expecting it to be. Is Kirk going to A&M or is he doing the App State game?

I assume – I don't know. He has it to be. Is Kirk going to A&M or is he doing the App State game? I assume. I don't know. He has got to be doing A&M. A&M. You would think it would be A&M Miami still. So he'd have to. Yeah, the ESPN game is 9 o'clock Miami and Texas A&M. Yeah, that would be where he is heading.

Except for ABC is Michigan State at Washington. So he'd do the ABC one. Probably, right? Because they're putting Joe and Troy on ABC. He's flying across the country again. So next Monday, yeah. Probably, right? Because they're putting Joe and Troy on ABC. He's flying across the country again. So next Monday, yeah, next Monday they're putting Joe and Troy on ABC, even though that game isn't the – they got Titans-Bills, I think.

Yes. And that's on ESPN. Yeah. And then the other game's on ABC. Eagles-Vikings. Eagles-Vikings on ABC. Two good games, but they got Joe and Troy on ABC. They got Dan Orlovsky on ESPN

with Titans Bills. That should be incredible. Herb Street debut, Thursday night football debuts tomorrow? Yes. So Kirk Herbstreet is in Kansas City tomorrow for Justin Herbert Patch Mahomes. Then he's

traveling to App State for College Game Day in App State, which they're saying is going to be fucking electrifying. They're saying it's going to be crazy in there. Then he's hopping on a plane flying to Washington. Is that where he's flying, you think? That's where ABC is, at Washington. Michigan State at Washington. That's a six

hour... He's not going to make it. Seven hour flight? He'll make it. Yeah, wait, how is he getting a couple hours back? How is that the game, though? What do you mean? Are either of them top 25? Michigan State's 11. Michigan State's a good team, man. Washington's 2-0.

Go green. Just Texas A&M Miami feels like. No, you can't say that. It was. Pretty racist to Foxy back there. Did you hear that, Darius? I didn't. I missed it.

Go green. Go white. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Did you hear that, Darius? Don't do that. I've got no problem with that. Yeah, look at that. I white. Whoa. Did you hear that, Darius? Don't do that.

I've got no problem with that. Yeah, look at that. I put Foxy in so many hilarious situations. We'll be walking through like we were at like an airport that was back whenever we used to fly commercial. Ew. I'm joking. I'm joking.

It's impossible to fly to Indianapolis. I would. It would be much more efficient for our business. It would be much more efficient for everything, but it's just not possible. It's just not possible. But maybe someday we'll be walking through a group and we'll just see a large group of people just getting ready

and just kind of direct myself in there. I'm like, hey, Foxy, go green! You know, loud. He's got a screen, go white. And he's not the only one. There's normally like two or three other whites in there. Go white! And I'm like, whoa! I might be a little alarmed if I just like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can't say that. Can't say that. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I might be a little alarmed

if I just heard that. You know, check over my shoulder. Jerry Jones says, I've seen David slay the giant. And I don't know if he got a picture book of the Bible or if he's actually seen this happen. But Jerry Jones is chit-chatting

about miracles and the whole season maybe turn around with Dak Prescott. Jerry Jones messaged Cowboys fans who already think the season is over. I've seen David slay the Giant. Now, Jerry Jones is old. I'm not sure if he was actually around when, you know, James and the Giants' peach took place or whatever.

But I think, honestly, Jerry Jones, his mantra of all news is good news that Mike McCarthy told us. I think Jerry has no other option other than being like Jackie Moon. Every week is the Mega Bowl. Every week, something good's going to happen.

This is great. That's how he views life, I assume. That's how he views business. Just everything's good. Listen, there's so many metaphors of the past of the small team overcoming the big team or the big obstacle getting slayed in front of us. I mean, I fucking seen David slay a Goliath. And it's and it's like well did you see that actually jerry and can we elaborate a little

bit more but i appreciate that he's still on the up and up and cooper cush rush as mitt calls him maybe he's able to win a couple games for the dallas cowboys and they're back in this thing when dac gets healthy i sure hope so i mean he's really putting uh putting the squeeze on dac i know dac will be back as fast as he possibly can, but you're getting surgery on your throwing hand thumb, and Dak and Jerry, your owner, are saying you're going to be back in four weeks. Isn't that what Jerry's trying to say? As a quarterback, too. I mean, can you toss me that football?

Your thumb, too. How long until you get the feeling back in his thumb after surgery? So if you see the way humans are created, you know, they talk about the opposable thumb being a big deal. Huge. Now, there are apes and such that have them about the opposable thumb being a big deal. Huge. Now, there are apes and such that have them. They just don't have

a big enough brain to figure out how to do all the fucked up shit we have the ability to do. Now, you're watching documentaries on them,

you're looking in the eyes of something that's very similar to you motherfuckers. Same look, same everything. Seems like they do things similar

to the fashions we do, but obviously very different species. Never came from them, never even close to them, obviously. The opposable thumb's a big deal. Whenever you're throwing a football, you see

that is all by its goddamn self here. You break your pointer finger, guess what you can do? You can have that taped, you can kind of lift it a little bit. You're going to probably throw a duck, but you're still going to be able to get the ball off. You break your middle finger, mallet finger. This happened with Russell Wilson and Taysom Hill last year. You can tape that and you can lift that off there. Pinky finger, all these other things are no

problem. The thumb's all by its goddamn self. So unless Dak is coming back after four weeks and he's spinning the thing sideways like that, I have no idea how four weeks for a thumb, especially with something that's six to eight weeks for a quarterback, is possible. I've fucking seen David slay a Goliath, though, Darius. And that's kind of where the world Jerry Jones lives in, I guess. Yeah, I didn't understand that. Not putting him on IR, which obviously would make him miss at least four games. I don't understand that move either.

Cooper Rush, he did beat Minnesota last year. Yep, last year. So, I mean, Dallas, they get maybe two wins, maybe even one. It's still a long season, man, 12, 11 games when Dak comes back. But, I mean, it ain't no David. This is the Cowboys. Like, it's the most valuable sports franchise in the world. Like, even when Dak was out there, the product didn't look good.

The offense didn't look good. So, they got a lot of issues in Dallas right now. What is the deal, AJ? Mike McCarthy can't get the boys going? Doesn't know what the fuck he's doing anymore? What do you think it is? I don't know what it is, man. Like, offensively, they just look Mike McCarthy can't get the boys going, doesn't know what the fuck he's doing anymore. What do you think it is? I don't know what it is, man. Like, they just – like, offensively, they just look like they can't –

I don't know, they haven't figured anything out yet, and they can't put a full game together. We know that they've looked good at times, and then something always happens, and like, oh, here we go again. Here we go again. We got a video from Stephen A. Smith's living room coming. This team is dead. What were you going to say, Colin?

Well, it's probably tough, too, just because, you know, last year when they opened the season against Tampa, they put up 28 points in their offense. It looked unbelievable. So it feels like the pieces that they lost actually are going to affect, you know, C.D. Lamb and their entire offense because they looked really good, one of the best offenses in the league, it felt like, at the beginning.

And then the defense looked good. The defense, Micah, they looked good. And they were keeping them to field goals and not touchdowns. But that offense, man, it was ugly to watch. Speaking of ugly to watch, that's been the Detroit Lions for years now. Oh, yeah. Just no fun. Everybody's miserable.

What the fuck are we doing? You got fans dropping other fans immediately after week one this past week out in a corridor. We're talking straight punches to mouths. Just battling, battling, battling. Boom. Bang. Take a seat.

Blindside shots. Is Detroit on Detroit? Yeah. How do you know who you're fighting? MCDC's got to be sick. I believe this is just recognizable figures is who you don't swing at because old buddy kind of breaks it up. Then he comes back in again and gets another shot.

The big white here at the end. Bang. There's another one down on the ground. And none of the guys who's down friends come back and swing on this guy. So I think it's a lot of casuals, maybe two groups, kind of a smaller group. This guy. That's drunk white at the end. Till I collapse is playing really loud.

What if someone just sucker punched him right in the side of the head? Yeah, well, I thought. He deserved it. Is that Fosse? That's drunk white at the end. Till I Collapse is playing really loud. You just can't see. What if someone just sucker punched him right in the side of the head? Yeah, well, I thought. He deserved it. Let's be honest. Oh, wait till the end. What if it was like a wait for it video and that guy does get cleaned up at the end? What if it was just a full.

Where the hell was TJ lying at? Seriously. There he is right there. TJ would have taken everybody out. Yeah. I don't know if any of these people wanted to see TJ Lang out there. I don't think he has any friends on either side. Real quick. Before or after the game?

That's an independent party coming in and hitting them with a pain train, and that would be the TJ Lang train. This is after the game, I would assume. Or maybe it's a lot of people going in with a lot of energy. They go in, they lose. They were still in it, though. For the first time, though, in 24 games, I believe is the case, first time in 24 games, they are favored. Yeah.

Detroit Lions underdogs in 24 straight games are favored to win against the Washington Commanders this weekend. The Lions streak is the team's longest in the Super Bowl era. That's via Eric Woodyard. They showed a lot of fight against the Eagles. Came back late. I believe they have the second most touchdowns in the

NFL this season behind the Chiefs. Bingo. That's a stat that Foxy was kind of toting around here. Does that matter? Probably not. Seemed like it was a lot of trash yards at the end against a team that thought they had it locked up, and they almost didn't. How do you feel about this game, and how do you feel about the Lions

getting respect for the first time in a long time, Major? Here we go, boys. I like it, man. I think people are legit taking the Lions somewhat serious now. I really do. Don't you feel like the tide is turning? Like we're saying, hey, we've got a team here. We've got a team in Detroit.

Foxy, it has to feel that way because normally you guys are just a delusional bunch in Detroit saying, 10-7 and a playoff win. But hard knocks, MCDC. I think Deuce Daly being introduced to the world as one of the Lions coach, people are like, I think this guy will figure it out. How do you feel about now the world likes you, Fox? This is a new era for football. Yeah, I absolutely love it.

And last week was the first time Ford Field sold out since 2019. So it's just another thing to add to the list. People love the Lions. People are ready to go. And the city's been behind them finally for the first time in a while. How about this? Sell out. Sell out.

Okay? Give Calvin Johnson a big check for the exact amount in a while. How about this? Sell out. Sell out. Okay? Give Calvin Johnson a big check for the exact amount of money at halftime. Don't worry about it. Just give him the big check right at halftime. Say, hey, let's get this curse out of here. Let's just give him the fucking check. They sold out. You know how much money they made from selling all those tickets out?

You know how much money they're going to make from the beer sales for all these people that are fighting each other? Just fucking take one fourteenth of what you're going to make on Sunday, give the money back to Calvin, get rid of the fucking curse, and move on with it all. I like it. Sounds good.

I'm happy for the Lions, man. Yeah, exactly. Very happy for them. How big a favorite? Probably a point and a half. That really speaks volumes to Carson Wentz, too, doesn't it? What's your problem? I'm tired of everybody attacking me about what this shit is.

You've got to get five touchdowns this game. Yeah, Carl played really well. Yeah, four, yeah. I'm nuking the commies. He also tried his damnedest to give that game away. He did. He did. He had a couple big points.

He was trying to lose. He was. Team Carson, all right? Listen, Carson, when he's playing, I will say the same fucking thing I say in this microphone every single time I talk about him, because I got respect for Carson the human. I don't necessarily love the tractor choice that he has.

I don't necessarily love the way he plays NFL football. But I got respect for Carson as a human. And I assume that somewhere he'll be able to make it work. Because his only issue, his only issue is, and I only had to live it for one season, I have no idea how both of his parents haven't gone into cardiac arrest following his entire career. Every play, he thinks he's a touchdown, make it, break it. We're winning a Super Bowl play. And that leads him to make some fucking horrendous decisions.

As opposed to just giving up on a play and saying, no, this ain't it. Not taking a massive shot. Not taking a massive risk with the ball. He goes for it every single play. So his greats are incredible. Like, he's a fucking great football player when he's humming and playing. But the bad, it's like, what are we doing? Why are we doing that?

And he showcased that, I think, in the first game. He was on fire and then back-to-back drives. Two picks. Boom, boom. The other team's back in it. And I know Commander's fans that have been attacking me all offseason since me starting saying this exact take every single time I talk about Carson Wentz. They were sitting there like, oh, this is what he's talking about. Because in the end, he comes back.

It's like that is what the Carson roller coaster is. The great can be great. But, God damn it, there's numerous times where you're going to say, Carson, just quit. Just lay down on the ground for one fucking play. And it's going to be hard not to hammer the commanders this weekend. Oh, yeah. Football team does have some weapons with Scary Terry

and the John Dotson was Rookie of the Week with two touchdowns. He looked really good. Curtis Samuel they used a lot. They got some weapons. I think it's going to be a high-scoring game, to be honest with you. What a fucking high-scoring game. To be a Lions fan. Yeah, I mean, no one's going to be a high-scoring game, to be honest with you. What a fucking high-scoring game. To be a Lions fan. Yeah, I mean, no one's going to want to win that game

with Wantset quarterback for the Commanders and then the Lions being the Lions. It's just going to be back and forth. Who can lose this game? And then at the end, the clock will just run out, and it'll just so happen to be who's winning at the time. And it'll be the Lions. It'll be a shit show.

If we can run the ball again like that, though, I actually think we're definitely going to lose. Swift. Who called the plays? Ben Johnson, I think, was calling the plays. Someone tweeted me, but that's not true. Man, they took the play call, man. But in the second quarter, we couldn't do anything.

Goff looked terrible. Halftime comes and we have to go. MCD. MCD. All right, experiment's over. Give me the fucking playbook, man. I'm calling them, man. Trying to give you a chance.

You fucking suck, man. Rodrigo Ball. Rodrigo played well. He was awesome. He had a lot of hard knocks. A lot of lowlights on him, too. I guess he just ran right into some blocks and people were talking bad about him. But on the flip side, he made a bunch of plays.

Yeah, he made some plays. I'm excited to see when Jameson gets in this offense. He's a dynamic weapon coming out of Bama. But I like the Lions, man. They're fighting, putting up points. And they covered a ton last year. They were the best. Yeah, covered last week.

A couple quotes here from September 11th, which was Sunday. Jared Goff said Ben Johnson was great calling plays. And Dan Campbell said Ben Johnson did a good job calling plays. So, I believe he called plays. So, Goff liked it a little bit more. Yeah, he did. He did good. Yeah, he did good. What have you done for me lately, League? No, man. So, Goff liked it a little bit more than MCDC. Yeah, he did. He did good. Yeah, he did good.

What have you done for me lately, League, though, man? Copycat League, man. We're favorites this week, man. Give me the fucking play. I'm calling plays, man. Sorry, man. He's so, hey. He is a fucking mountain of a man.

Yeah, he's got it. MCDC. When's he getting time in the lift? 3 a.m. What do you mean? He probably sleeps there. I don't think he lifts. I think it's just he wakes up looking like that.

It's all that coffee. There's no way, dude. He's probably just hitting pull-ups and push-ups all day long, walking down the hall, talking to somebody, just drop down. He is a Greek god. He's chiseled like that. He doesn't lift. He's huge.

Maybe. But, like, I don't know if your forearms get that big just by doing nothing. When you're a god, you are. You're right. Might just curl his desk. Might be with AJ. He might be a big calisthenics guy. I can see that.

So, hold on. He killed the up-downs, too. Like, that was impressive. 40 of them. That was impressive. I don't know how old he is, but that's tough. I thought they were done at 20. I thought they were done at 25. I thought they were done at 25.

I said, no way they go past 30. They're going. It's like this is the most amount of up-downs I've ever seen done in a practice. We're pros, for sure. College, did you guys do more than 20? College? Not a one time. Maybe college.

Not a bunch. That's more so like high school stuff. I think like I didn't go to any high school practices, so I don't know what the football culture is in high school football in pittsburgh or anywhere else but i think we've hit like 20 in practice at west virginia with rich rock because like i remember doing them the first time and being like so what should i be expecting you know like i need uh i need an end thing and i think it was like 15 20 and we did it numerous. So when I saw them get to like 25 and then to 30, I'm like, holy fuck, these guys.

And how about Aiden Hutchinson? I didn't know we were doing them all at the same time. I think it kind of took us all by surprise. How did they land on 40? That's a lot. That's way too many. Yeah, but you find out who's in and who's out. Probably did 30 last year.

Got to up it. I mean, can you imagine Dan Campbell in his 10th year there? They're going to be doing 140 before each practice. He's better hoping they're under his wrists. He's all right with his dogs. And they were good in the fourth quarter. They panned out. It worked.

Conditioned team. Jamal Williams, two tuds, right? Two tuds, yeah. Balled out. He did run over someone on the goal line to get a one-on-one. If they could have contained Hurts, like if they could contain Hurts, they would have won that game. So Wentz, completely different story.

That's why I feel really confident. Hurts. No one can contain Wentz. MVP sleeper. Hurts. His odds moved a lot after this week. Hurts. MVP sleeper. Hurts? His odds move a lot after this week. Went from like, what, 4,000? Maybe 4,000 to 1,400?

Yeah, 1,600. Just because they won, you think? Nah, he looked good. He ran all over. He's not going to be able to run it 18 times every week. Maybe. Yeah, he can. But he has an arm and A.J. Brown would look great. You still got Goddard. They got weapons out there. So the Eagles, I think the dog mentality has seeped into their entire. Yeah.

He can run 18 times a game, Jalen Hurts. Easy. Why can't he? He's like one, two. Yeah, I think that's more the. What if he has to, though? Like what if that is what. I don't think you have to.

You don't think he has to? Wasn't that kind of the knock on him last year, too, though, is that he kind of did that, and then when they played good defenses, they made him beat him from the pocket and he couldn't do it. So my big thing is this. If, and I guess they talk about it with Lamar, talk about it with Josh Allen. I mean, fuck, we talked about it with Joey Burrow and also about Carson. Like some of the things that make the player the player, there's always a conversation

like, well, how do we make this last as long as possible? It's like, well, will we ever see the peak of the player if we're trying to make it last as long as possible? Like if Jalen Hurts has the ability to run power and take hits and move and still play, I understand looking out for the man and his security and his future. It's like, hey, you're not going to be able to play 10 years like this or whatever, but maybe we never get to see his absolute best football either because that being a threat all the time makes the defense's play different. I don't know.

There's always such an interesting balance for that for me. And it felt like he trained for that this whole entire offseason. The photos from last year and this year, he put on a bunch of muscle. It feels like he is ready to do that if that's what it takes. But if you kill a guy, you're the worst front office and head coach of all time. You don't want your quarterback doing it. I think Jalen Hurts has the ability to play and beat you from the pocket, especially when you put talent around him, which they did this offseason.

150, right? AJ went for 150 yards? Yeah. They're O-line too. It's considered one of the best in the league. Exactly. If they win the Super Bowl and Jalen It's considered one of the best in the league. Exactly. If they win the Super Bowl and Jalen Hurts has to keep doing what he's doing. He's got to pick and choose when he runs, though.

Exactly. Big third downs, third and medium, third and short. Okay, here we go. Maybe I won't go. Oh, first progression, first guy's not open. Oh, second guy quick. I'm out. That's what he did.

They converted a lot of third downs. Exactly. They converted a lot of third downs. That kills us. That kills the defense. Hey, money down, man. Get off the field. So A-Rod would do to people all the time.

They'd get us in like third and 11, and Aaron drops back. He goes through four different progressions. All right, I'm going to take off, and I'm going to get 12 yards. When it's third and 11, you thought you had your first three and out of the day, and then he just looks at their D coordinator, and the guy's like, come on. I mean, they're exhausted from chasing, too, for what, 10 seconds? That's terrible.

That's how A-Rod used to go. You go two man, you see all the backs to him, takes off from 15, 18. Flacco used to do it. Oh yeah. I mean, Herbert can do it. He's another quarterback that can take off and run anytime, but he would rather beat you from the pocket. I think that's where you want, honestly, that's where you want all quarterbacks.

You want to beat you from the pocket. You don't have to call run plays for Lamar. You don't have to call run plays for Lamar. You don't have to call them for Hurts. They can take off whenever they want. So if you have that in kind of like your back pocket, I mean, that's damn near unstoppable. Them putting Josh Allen into power, though. That's so awesome. Yeah. I mean.

That's a big. He jukes people, too, though. Like, he runs them over. He puts moves on dudes. And he jumps over people. Insanely athletic. If he was a running back or a tight end or whatever, we'd be talking about him being, hey, this is the fucking guy.

This is the guy. Because he can run you over. So if you're going to hit him, whatever, he's going to run you over. Not scared to do it. If you go low, he knows you're going low because he's been the biggest guy on the field for what? His entire career. He can jump.

He can jump over you. And it seems like he's okay taking a fucking hit. Like, he will. Got a hell of a stiff arm, too. Yeah. That's the worst. He's a dog. Tackling a quarterback, it's kind of like a mind fuck.

Like, even when you see him in the open field, like, because you know, like, they're protected to an extent. So, as a defensive player, I don't know how AJ feels about this. I just feel like you're always at, like, a little disadvantage. And then when he goes to stiff arm you or truck you or jump over you, it's like shit. Well, because if he slides at any moment. It's just – it's tough.

It's tough. It was at the NFL or college. There was a big one where a quarterback was running and he slid going in on a one-yard line. They called a head-to-head. Oh. Oh, I don't remember that one. You know how I feel.

I think all head-to-head and targeting should be taken out from like the two-yard line in. There shouldn't be a rule. Yeah, goal line CTE time. Well, I mean, if a guy's running downhill, I'm in the end zone two or three yards deep, and the quarterback's running right at me to dive into the end zone, and he all of a sudden slides

and he doesn't try to score, and I fly over top of him. Yeah, can't deal you. Yeah, because your only job is to stop all momentum. Have to. I have to stop all momentum, so I got to bring it. Like, I got to bring... This isn't just a get him down on the ground type thing. This is a hey i gotta fucking stop full momentum here and if somebody changes their level you're saying at the last what the fuck do you want yeah okay i understand

what you're saying remember heineke heineke like gave himself up against the packers and they called that touchdown back when he just like fell into the end zone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and there's no one even there. Going forward, right? Yeah, going forward. I am not envious of any defenders on any football field at any moment right now at all. There's so much going on. And also, to what we were talking about earlier, about if you see everybody's backs, they're going to run. Yeah.

So you just cover, what was that, 50-some yards probably? Full sprint. And then, oh, first down, all momentum's out, turn around. They're subbing their wide receivers out probably. Okay, let's go ahead and get them out. They just went on a long run. Let's get them some Hey, they're winded.

DBs, though, you guys are going to get off the fucking field. So, turn around. We're right back up. I am not envious of that at all, pal. Not one bit. How many miles? Do they track DBs on the field? I don't ever remember getting any of that info after. But everybody has.

It's always wide receivers. Wide receivers always get tracked, it feels like, because they're literally running for a living. I don't know if I've remembered any DBs numbers. Everybody's tracking everybody, but I just don't ever remember somebody coming up to, hey, you ran this many miles. Let's take a day off or some shit like that. What's that all about? Not for DBs. It's like the bend it, don't. Yeah, hey, we ran this many miles. Let's take a day off or some shit like that.

What's that all about? Not for DBs. It's like the bend it, don't. Yeah, hey, we don't have time for you, Dave. Hey, we're looking into all the stats and analytics. We're trying our best to get through them all. DBs all max limit. We will look at them last. Sorry about that.

Sorry. Yeah, well, if we take everybody out of practice that ran way too much yesterday due to our analytics, we have one defensive back. Okay, so let's not use that. Yeah, it's outliers. Yeah. All right. These other positions that we can kind of.

Y'all motherfuckers are running, dude. Running, man. Running, running, running. I was talking to one of the corners for the Texans after the game. He was like, I showed him, you know, we were talking over one of his plays, and he was like, bro, that that was 94th play of the game. I think Coach ran 95 or 94 plays. Jeez.

I'm like, okay, I got you. So going into this game, imagine having a Thursday game after running 94 snaps on Sunday. So that's why you got to get off the field. Hey, so let's assume roughly average 35 yards, 40 yards run each play? Yeah, we can say that. At least. Because even on run plays, you're getting ran off. And sometimes that's a backup receiver or something.

And they're just go. Run off, take off, then he goes to the sideline and rests until he, you know, got to take a gun a rep or something. So, yeah, it's a lot of running. Now, a lot of it is, you know, you kind of know, you're kind of jogging through, okay, it's a runaway or I beat a block. No, but you guys don't care then, remember? You guys don't care.

This guy doesn't play every single play. You can't do it. You can't go full out. You can't do it. You're going to die by play 20. Now, current players should not be standing at press conferences. I love a guy in Dallas. Right.

80 plays, what do you want me to do? I'm going to go 35% a couple times. AJ, I didn't even think about that. I love a guy in Dallas. 80 plays, what do you want me to do? Run it the other way. I'm going to go 35% a couple times. AJ, I didn't even think about that. They're running 90-40s every single game. 90-40s. That's a nightmare. And you have to know, too, also the mental toll that takes on your cardio, too.

You know, okay, hey, man, if this dude gets on top of me, I'm going to be embarrassed. He's going to score a touchdown one-on-one. Everyone knows it's on me. Hey, I appreciate the DB service, but get off the field. Yeah. Get off the field. We served the United States of America as a Green Beret. He also was in the NFL as a long snapper for Seattle.

He played at the University of Texas after serving in the United States military. He held a blindfolded field goal for me in which we broke a Guinness World Record for the United States of America. Hell yeah! He's also a founder of something that is absolutely awesome happening in Los Angeles alongside Jay Glazer. Hashtag Jay New. They started a gym in L.A. called Unbreakable. There was a lot of people that invested in it. Jay Glazer was kind of at the head of it.

At that gym, it kind of became a sanctuary for retired football players who lost the locker room and in turn also retired vets from the military who had lost their kind of camaraderie and their sense of purpose. Nate Boyer and Jay Glazer teamed up to create something called MVP, which is Merging Vets and Players, to try to create that community and bring it together because they're experiencing similar things, although the way they got there is vastly different today mvp the movie is debuting in theaters around the country 35 of them including every single nfl city shout to gnc live well for being behind that and putting it into all the theaters and raising money for mvp and shout to this man who's an NFLer, a Green Beret,

and now he's a director and a lead in a movie that is in 35 different cities. Today, worth watching. I saw the trailer. It's going to be epic. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program,

Nate Boyer. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Hey. Good to see you, Pat. Hey, you're getting more handsome, I think, every time we fucking see you, pal. You're doing it. Well, yeah. I'm here. I think every time we fucking see you, pal, you're doing it.

Well, yeah, I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I had ground zero unbreakable performance center. Just got my workout in and, you know, doing all kinds of, uh, interesting cutting edge stuff, you know, got to keep the jawline tight. So we're doing a lot of that work. I'm just kidding. Oh, you're drinking. You're drinking blood. You're drinking blood out there in L.A. That's what I heard. Yeah. Tiger blood.

Yeah. Yeah. It didn't work out great for the last guy that publicly said he was doing that. Congrats on the movie, man. Thank you, brother. Thank you so much. So let's dive into it a little bit. Obviously, AJ is excited as well.

We both got a lot of appreciation for the military, and you kicked ass for the United States, and obviously a football guy, so we're incredibly proud of you. Let's start with the MVP, the Emerging Vets and Players program that you and Jay Glazer put together. And I think in the trailer it depicts it perfectly about how retired NFL players kind of lose that locker room and sense of purpose, and the military does it as well.

This has become a real sanctuary for a lot of people, and you and Jay are at the head of that. How proud are you with where that program is now versus where it started, and where do you guys think you're going to head to, Nate? So, I mean, so proud. Like, pretty unbelievable to think not even six years ago, really, Jay kind of had this idea, you know, if uh we got to bring these groups together i mean you know mvp we we're bringing together combat vets former pro athletes helping them find purpose

identity the locker room the team again when that uniform comes off obviously we're not comparing war to playing sports but the sacrifice uh that you have to put in to be elite at something um the mutual respect between the two groups, uh, that's all there. And I know that personally, cause I was in both those locker rooms and Jay was like, well, you know, what, what can we do? I actually, uh, ended up maybe the next week. I went down to this homeless shelter in, uh, in, in Hollywood, in East Hollywood on Sunset Boulevard in this place. They lovingly called it the barracks. There was 48 bunks in there,

all military, like veterans living there, all veterans. And I was like blown away. I couldn't believe a place like that existed. I thought it was cool though, too, that they were kind of coming together to help each other transition and like

get back on their feet, figure it out. And one of those guys in particular, we stayed in contact and he ended up bringing up a group of his buddies from the barracks to unbreakable in west hollywood to jay's gym and jay brings in like you know randy couture and tony gonzalez casually uh to come train with these guys and they were like blown away just being in the presence of these athletes that they look up to obviously the athletes in turn were like,

well, you guys are the freaking heroes here. We haven't done shit, dude. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. But it was just cool to see that. And then we work out. Afterwards, we huddle up on the wrestling mat. And these dudes are opening up some heavy stuff,

stuff that a lot of them have just not talked about before, or at least that they have, not in a public setting like that, maybe closed off to a therapist that, you know, got his Ph.D. from somewhere and really doesn't fully understand what that world is like. And that feeling of being in your 20s, 30s, if you're lucky and having peaked, you know what I mean? Feeling like you'll never be great again. And it was just it was just powerful, man. And so it started there six years ago. infilling like you'll never be great again uh and it was just it was just powerful man and and and so it started there six years ago and then uh just before the pandemic i was like i want to make a movie about this we got to make a movie about this my buddy uh garrant jones who's a veteran in the uk military he was a writer he started putting things down on paper getting excited about it

stallone who's you know sitting behind me up here on the poster. Had a big slide, had a big slide. Living. Yeah, he comes on board as an EP just because he loves MVP, the organization. He's friends with Jay, just wants to help. And then COVID hits, and it's like, well, damn, we were going to do this, and now we can't.

We certainly don't have the money we had, so we can't afford to pay actors and directors and all that stuff. So we just did it ourselves mid-pandemic for nothing, man. And everybody that showed up and was in the film but also on set, the crew, it's mostly veterans. Every vet trade on screen is played by an actual vet. And people just made it happen because of what Emerging Vets and the organization is uh and it was i'm happy with it man i'm actually thrilled with it i couldn't believe what we pulled off such a collaborative effort like i didn't know what the hell i was doing um i just had the vision you know and then all these other people are just executing it as long as i was able to communicate it to them enough uh they made it happen and then

yeah to have those guys like the tony gonzalez randy couture's stray hand and howie long do a cameo tom arnold's in it rich eisen yeah rich eisen dude rich is the best man and uh and just and then all the actors like dina shihabi who's on screen right now moma cray who you just saw who plays will phillips the athlete christina ochoa dan loria the dad from the Wonder Years of Vietnam. He's in it. The list goes on, man, and I'm just grateful for everybody that was a part of this. It's playing tonight.

It's premiering tonight, and we're freaking stoked. Good for you, man. That's awesome. Jay, when you get these ex-athletes and military together, is the first thing you guys do is work out? Does it all go from there? Like you guys work out together and then you kind of branch off and develop relationships?

Exactly. We have eight chapters now around the country. We meet up every week at the same time, same place. And we'll work out for about 45 minutes. Get a good sweat going. It's challenging, but it's not impossible. It's something that everybody can do because there's people that come in that maybe they haven't freaking worked out since they left the military or left sports, maybe packed on a few pounds, maybe had some injuries that are inhibiting them. And so we make it completely doable, but still challenging.

We want to sweat together. We want it like that. That vulnerability kind of comes when you go through something tough with somebody. And then we transition to the mat afterwards. And it's an open forum, peer-to-peer coaching. Like, there's no secret sauce and magic beans. Like, we don't – we just talk, man.

And we're just, like, we encourage vulnerability. But it's good stuff, too. I mean, we give each other shit. You know the deal. Like, it's just like in that locker room or as we call it a team room, uh, or around the fire pit overseas, like some of the best conversations,

the closest friendships I made and, and the people that got me through tough times were in those, in those rooms or, you know, on that rooftop. And that's all we're doing. We're just recreating it. We're talking to Nate Boyer,

uh, one of the founders of MVP merging vets and players in LA that now has eight different locations around the country. If you're in one of those cities and you're aer, one of the founders of MVP, Merging Vets and Players in L.A. that now has eight different locations around the country. If you're in one of those cities and you're a vet, both of the NFL or the military, hit them up. It sounds like some amazing things are happening. I like the fact that you guys are bonding around a workout and a struggle. Because I think when you struggle with people, right, together, that's really when you can trust people. If somebody quits on something, you're less likely to probably open up to them.

So when everybody, all eight chapters are coming together to work out, it's a lot easier to be like, oh, this guy just went through what I went through. Their pass has been what I passed. I think that breaks down the wall quicker. I think that's a really smart, intelligent decision. You guys just all taking a bunch of TRT too?

Getting fucking yoked up? What's going on? You know. no comment. No comment. A lot of meatheads. Hey, this is a lot of meatheads, bro. It's El Natural, baby. Hey, there's a lot of meatheads coming together, though.

It sounds like a fucking beautiful thing. I'm happy it's working out as well as it is. I can't wait to watch the movie that's out tonight, MVP. Darius Butler has a question for you, Nate. Hey, what's up, Nate? I can't wait to watch the movie either. But I also MVP. Darius Butler has a question for you, Nate. Hey, what's up, Nate? I can't wait to watch the movie either. But I also hate when people compare football and sports, you know, to battle, to war.

But speaking of somebody who's been in both of those team rooms, what are some parallels between those two? And then what are some things that guys transitioning out to like civilian life, what are some of the things they can take with them? Yeah, I hear you man i mean that used to bump me a lot too when it's like all right man we're going to battle you know and all that there's so many football analogies uh with with uh you know the military what's the uh um who's the comedian that uh passed away that used to talk about this like baseball versus basketball and um or sorry baseball versus football like the different, or sorry, baseball versus football. And like the different way those, uh,

we talk about those sports and football was always super, uh, militaristic. Uh, George Carlin, George Carlin has an incredible bit about that. Cause he's talking about like, they moved down the field with an aerial assault, you know, with a, with a ground, with a, a heavy, uh, ground attack and blah, blah, blah. And you talk about baseball and it's like, you know, you're trying to be safe and you want to go home and like stuff like that. But, but so, so I feel you on that. Cause that's, I totally get that.

I think one thing we always try to stress is like battlefield, the ball field, different places like war and playing game, playing a game, not the same at all, but man, the identity with the uniform and that locker room and putting everything you have into that thing and feeling like this is your world, this is who you are, and then it being gone. And typically, I think in this regard, it's almost tougher from the athlete side.

It's so, so very rarely on your terms. It is just, you know, three years in the league is the average. And not that, you know, they're not enlisting to serve their country and go to war. I totally understand that. But it's still tough, man. This is what you love. This is who you are. It's what you do.

And then it's just kind of stripped from you. And you don't have a choice. Like, you try to get back in, but no one will let you. Stories like that are less common in the military. It's more like, obviously, injuries or something like that that pulls you away from the team. But at the end of the day, at some point it ends and you're still pretty damn young.

You've got a lot of life left to live, and that's a challenge. That's what hurts. For me football watching football when i was deployed was my escape like without it uh i i would have figured it i would have got through it of course but man it made it so much easier and it was like this was my time to just dump all the stuff i dealt with that week you know and just enjoy the game and watch these guys out there playing like their hair's on fire and you know it inspired me like when i came home that's why i wanted to play people like stories like pat tillman too there's just this like there's this crazy connection that that i think combat sports more than any others

really have with the military i should say uh yeah combat sports i mean they really are you know in a way nate quick pivot i want to talk about the terminal list quick you you were great in that show we watched that we were big fans of the whole series. I don't know about that, but I appreciate it. You were great. Shut up. You were great. You were awesome, man.

Believe me, the show. What was it like being on set for all that? Because I think that thing was beautifully shot. It was really well done. Dude, so as I mentioned with MVP, how many bets we had working on that, for a huge, big-budgetwood series like that uh same thing like chris pratt one of his best friends a guy named jared shaw navy seal buddy of mine um and jared brought the series of books the terminal list written by jack carr also a good friend to chris and said this

needs to be a show chris read the books and was like absolutely and he was like also we do this we're doing it right we're gonna have so many vets behind the camera on camera um just brings that authenticity and it's like yeah maybe we don't have the same amount of experience uh in the industry but we're gonna figure it out like that's what we do you know we we we get handed a mission sometimes it's not very clear what the end result is supposed to be. Sometimes it is, and we have no idea how to get there, but we figure it out. We do it together. And, and that's what the feeling was on that show. So that's what I loved about being around set was not just that I want to only

be around veterans, but there was enough of them on there that you get to a point there's, you know, the, the, the DP and some of these people that have been, that are excellent at what they do they're leaning over and asking somebody way way below them on the on the chain of command uh what should i do in this or what do you how do you think we should shoot this what's more authentic what's more accurate and that's super cool man like and you're gonna make a better show that way like you're just gonna it's gonna be real there's 27 million roughly veterans in the country uh and we support our own stuff and so like we know that it's just a good business too

you know to have us on board and understand like this is this is done by us i mean it's it was really smart i love working on this well and that's great as a viewer it gives you a lot more credence to say like i love this because it doesn't feel like they're taking advantage of vets you know what i mean like stealing stories almost taking advantage of it as opposed it's like hey helping vets with this story about vets like that just makes you feel better watching and being a fan of and i took a shot with jack carr here on the show a couple weeks ago he seems to be a dude as are you nate i've got to hang out with you a few times you're fucking awesome what did you take from that experience and from other experiences into your directorial debut here of MVP?

Do you feel like you got to learn from a lot of different people? And how much did that, hey, we figure shit out, which I believe football and military have in common. Like shit's going to happen. Pressure's going to be on. Have to get something done. I think that's another thing that people can kind of share but that probably set you up perfectly for this particular role of being a director of a fucking movie all of a sudden yeah you know honestly so we actually shot mvp before terminalists but okay uh one thing no no but i mean working on a lot of these other getting to

know these people and and uh the biggest one for me was den of thieves so i got to work on den of thieves right just uh you know as an actor but the director of that movie christian gutter guest um one of the reasons he cast me is he's like i want real guys and stuff and since then we've become friends he became a mentor of mine from the first draft of the script to the last cut and edit this guy was helping for nothing doesn't want his name on it i mean i gave he's in the special thanks you know what i mean but like just just help yeah just like wanted to yeah that's true yeah but he never asked what you know he doesn't he's just like he's one of these people you know what i'm saying and uh and and like that it's and there was a lot of stories like he's not the only one but that was a great example of like being around

it i was like okay i'm starting to understand this world how it works you know not just the terminology but like at from a director from him because that was his first movie he directed is a much bigger movie but he'd written a ton of things that had been made and you know he he just communicated his vision so well and i just took pieces of that and then added in my experience from being yeah being in the military and like we're just like we're figuring it out as we go if you get good people around you and you've got talented people that you trust and you just let them do their job you're gonna come up with some good stuff you know and it was like mo mccray who plays will phillips you know the the other lead in the film. He calls it collective genius, man, because it's just pure collaboration.

You've got all these heads in there. Sometimes it's a lot of voices, and that can be challenging. But at the same time, if you have time to listen to all of them kind of pick through it, you'll find the best solution. It's usually a mixture of a few ideas, and you figure it out, especially when you're on such a tight budget. You just have to work that way or you're you're hosed you know i think christian probably was excited that you asked for help by the way that's something that people don't do enough of you get a chance to be around somebody that's very good at what they do and people are scared to ask like that's something i've never i'm very lucky that i've never had any fear of just being like hey why

are you doing what the fuck you're doing right now? Like, I've been very fortunate to be around a lot of people that have done really good things. So I think that's good initiative by you as well. That's a trait that not a lot of people have. Keep fucking killing it, Nate. Ty, your question. It's something, it's something we preach at MVP, man. I learned that from the men and women who join us on the mat every week, because that is our biggest thing. Like it is not shameful to ask for help. It doesn't mean you're weak. It means you're stronger because you're actually admitting. I don't have all the answers.

That's, that's, there's a lot more courageous to do that and to walk around and act like you just know everything. That's how you fail. You know what I mean? If you just say, Hey,

look, I'm, I'm, I'm stupid. I don't know how to do this. Or is there a better way? Give me a hand. if you have an idea shoot it my way i'd love to hear it like that's that's how you win hell yes and by the way a good

answer it doesn't matter who it comes from i mean the right answer exactly is the one that we should be trying to get to at all times ty your question for nate yeah especially not common in hollywood either to do that so you know kudos uh nate with something like this i don't know how i mean i'm sure there's quite a bit of elements of the movie that are biographical but i don't know how biographical it is was it like a pretty cathartic experience uh to do all this stuff and kind of put it out there and were there ever days where like the emotions of everything got tough especially with your responsibilities of you know writing it and producing it and directing it and all that kind of stuff?

Did somebody talk to you? Did you get tipped? How did you know to ask this question? Hey, no. He was a film major in college. He's a big Hollywood guy. Yeah, love him. This question is so on point, bro. Baby, time's gold, Ty.

Look at us fucking represent. Hell yeah. It's a good one. First of all, like it is, it's biographical of MVP. Like all these stories, everything we put on the page is from the mouths of the men and women who have joined us, you know, and been a part of it. We got thousands of members now. There's a lot of stories. So it's all that put down on paper.

Every character is composite characters. It's based on the genesis of MVP. Like this is how it actually started. You know, we adjusted, obviously, like Jay and myself's role in starting MVP. But really, it's the members. The organization is built by the members. It was built by the people, the vets and the players that came together. Like what we do every day, about being collaborative how we grow and

what what we're doing now in our huddles versus how we started that's all from the members and then from that side man day three on set we're in the middle of this covid stuff we got to test three times a week we get masks on trying to keep distance from each other unless you're on camera um and i hear sag's gonna come down and visit us um and i'm like oh god and we're you know we're we're a union project with screen actors guild we're following all the rules but i'm still panicking because we we have no money like we're just we're shooting in a freaking homeless shelter we're shooting on location in this place that's like closing down because they lost money uh due to the pandemic and we're shooting in there before they tear it down.

And I'm like, just, you know, absolutely freaking out, you know, and, and, and then we got to do this. Like one of the biggest scenes for me in the movie, it's like a really intense scene. I don't want to give it away, but it's, it's I mean, essentially I'll just say, you know, I beat myself up. The character, the character beats himself up in more ways than one. That day, I'm dealing with all this stuff happening, some stuff in my personal life, losing somebody very close to me. Days before that, we had one of our members, the first member from MVP after four after four almost five years of being an organization that

took his own life and it's like i am so afraid of fucking this up i am so afraid of that i am terrified of letting our family down our our organization down these people down and i'm like i'm starting to feel it right now man i was just i remember how i felt and then we're like i just didn't want it i just wanted to shut it down for the night. And one of the producers, Jared Hoffman, was like, you ready? Are you ready to shoot this scene? And I'm just like, I mean, not really, but we have to, right? He's like, yes, it's our last day here.

We have to do it. And I go out there and like what you see on screen, that was just Nate dealing with some shit. You know what I mean? Like having a freaking day. And I'm so glad I not only let it affect me i'm so glad the team around me said we're like no we're doing this we have to do this let's shoot this scene because it ended up being a really pivotal scene where i thought maybe it'd be a bit of a throwaway maybe it's not going to make the cut and uh we moved it up in the edits in a different place than we originally shot it and it's just uh it anyway

you'll see but it was like figure it out that was a great question that was a great question yeah you're damn right ty ty uh ty was uh accepted to harvard out of high school said no thank you want the iowa to be a big 10 angler he was a fisherman for them or whatever. That's a true renaissance, man. There's a movie there. Sounds like there's a movie there. Okay. Hey, directorial debut. Connor, your question for Nate Boyer.

Yeah, Nate, it sounds like a lot of this movie is nonfiction. Like when we're watching the show, we know that everything in there basically did happen. And also, is Tom Arnold playing Jay Glazer? Is that who he is? jay glazer's playing jay glazer no okay great he's and he's he's freaking great too um yeah it is it is i mean just like any based on a true story film there are things you adjust so that they make sense in a two hour or less format you know but no it is it is based

on real people it's based on true events whatever you want to call it um all these things that have that that that happened you know essentially essentially happens um and then as far as yeah tom tom is great man no tom is a uh uh also another kind of a you know a a hidden gem in there like you'll see he's seen is hilarious but it's also great um you know he's playing a he's playing a version of him i mean he's playing tom arnold but it's a you know fantasy football world and kudos and shout out to to the league and nfl network we filmed there on location at the uh at the studios um and you know they just tracy pearlman dallasitchcock they just hooked us up

hooked us up and like they love MVP they love the organization they wanted to help us and so we're down there shooting those scenes that day

and it's like it just raises the production value it was awesome but yeah Tom was Tom was hilarious half that stuff

is improv dude but it was it's great hey Nate I can't wait to see the success of this I can't wait to see what success of this i can't wait to see what you do next keep crushing it with mvp uh the movie's in 35 cities tonight i believe

shout the gmc live well for making that happen when can people uh stream this where will we be able to stream it at home you think uh probably as we approach veterans day so that's 11 11 you know we're it's perfect during the nfl season but also, you know, we had 9-11 a few days ago. Now we've got Veterans Day coming. Like these are big moments, big dates for veterans. You know, I don't want to call them all holidays because 9-11, I don't feel like that's a holiday, you know. But all this stuff is intentional to, like, you know, bring more awareness to what we're doing as an organization, but also just the veteran narrative, you know,

and the athlete story and like telling that in an organic way. And so, yeah, tonight, like you said, we're in 35 cities. We're in Indy, baby. Hell yeah. Cool. If you go to vetsandplayers.org, which is our nonprofit, our website, you can check us out there. You can donate there, but you can also get tickets there.

Watch the MVP movie. There's a tab in the middle of the screen. Click on that. You can check us out there. You can donate there, but you can also get tickets there. Watch the MVP movie is, you know, a tab in the middle of the screen. Click on that. It'll take you to a website that has every theater across the country is planning, playing. You get your tickets there.

Got to buy them there. I'm not sure why you can't buy them at the box office, but that's above me. But it's all good. So get your tickets show out tonight and support MVP. This movie is benefiting the organization too. That's something that everybody needs to understand. Like you're giving to merging vets and players,

the charity by showing up to this film. Hell yeah, man. And you show up every day for all of us. We appreciate that. Can't wait to watch it. Can't wait to see what you do next. Please tell everybody we said hello over there in beautiful LA.

I will. I will. They love you guys. I have my quick shout out to my buddy, AJ Perez, man. He wears, he's got for the brand shirts. He's wearing all the time. They love you guys. Quick shout out to my buddy, AJ Perez, man. He wears, he's got Brother Brand shirts he's wearing all the time. He loves you guys, man. I think he's talked to you before, AJ Hawk.

He's a big, he's a big Packer fan. So, anyway. Oh, AJ, big time to AJ Perez. Never would have thought. Wow. Never would have thought. Of course. Hey, we appreciate you, Nate.

Ladies and gentlemen, Nate Boyer. Yeah, Nate! Thank you, guys. Thank you. Conversation with Nate Boyer was awesome major he was yeah nate uh he's been in a lot of acting roles lately yeah den of thieves uh terminalist he has a movie now i think he was in another one i do like that it feels like these military movies are becoming more like hey we, we want to hire. Yeah, make him legit. Much more realistic.

Like, he was in 12 Strong as well. So it's like, I like that. It's probably a good time to become an actor if you're in the military and if you're retired. Now seems like a good time to get in there because Hollywood is finally realizing, like, oh, we can also give jobs and maybe help out a community that we're depicting and potentially stealing stories from.

And make the movies better. You know what I mean? Make them much better. We see Chris Pratt, his discipline with his handguns and whatever weapon he is wielding. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And Nate Boyer, arms crossed, in that brief,

whenever they're talking about it, he talks shit to the guy and then walks out. It slows down. No actor can really capture that moment, you know, unless you've been there. I couldn't do it. Well, that's why you look at all, like, the really, like, Saving Private Ryan and all, like, the really good war movies. Like, the technical department is, like, all people who are retired military because they understand. It's like, hey, if this doesn't look real, like, people are going to just fucking write it off right away.

Good luck to MVP the movie. Good luck. Debuting tonight in 35 cities. Go to vetsandplayers.org to find out if it's playing in your city and where it's playing in your city. Look for it to stream in a couple of months. Can't wait to watch that. In other news, it's happening

around the NFL right now. New Thursday Night Football, Amazon Prime analyst Ryan Fitzmagic is making the media rounds and their story is coming out. The water slide situation was asked about by Dan Lebitard's show. He did not ask.

He was not happy. Let's move on. What happened? Sounds like maybe he played the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5th live on a podcast which is awesome. Allegedly there was a caller into a local radio show in D.C. that said immediately upon Fitzmagic going on to IR with his hip injury,

anonymous caller on radio, could be anybody, said, I won't tell you the reason why Ron Fitzmagic is hurt because him and his family come into the water park, the slide park that I work at, and they, like, go down real fast slides. They always go down real fast slides, real fast slides. That's what they like doing. And we all seen it.

It was right there in the middle of the thing. Ryan's kid went down, and he went down. He went flying down. He hit his hip off of one of the slides, I guess, and he limped out of the pool and went over the thing. We didn't see him get back on the slide ever again. They go, okay, thanks for the call. And then he goes, is that what happened happened and then we find it on the internet and

then all of a sudden we have to talk about it because fitch magic just got paid and he was uh automatically on ir so he got damn pat shout out to the damn patrick show asking about it and he said i ain't talking about we're moving on i mean we're really he was pissed he wasn't happy to even feed it so that means it's either complete bullshit. Like we said, could have been, or it's true. There's absolutely happened. Yes. Right.

There's no more that, but he also chit chat about, he, he believes that he is that motherfucker that Tom Brady was speaking about in barbershop with LeBron James and the boys in there. Uh, if you read the quote that he had on the Dan Levitard show, if you go back to that again, that's before the 2019 season where the Dolphins are trying to assemble a roster that is going to help them get a better draft pickoff next year. So it's not like that was going to be an attractive situation for Tom anyway. So I'm not sure why he was so upset about it. But I still believe to this day that I'm that mother. believe to this day that I'm that mother he also went on to pardon my take and chit-chatted about how uh whenever Tom threw five picks after a game against a game that Ryan Fitzmagic was in

he refused to come shake his hand afterwards he felt disrespected by Tom he feels like that's the whole thing and he firmly believes that he is that motherfucker that they were chatting about now is that because Brian Flores allegedly wouldn't go on the meeting on the yacht for Tom Brady to become part owner of the Dolphins and quarterback for the Dolphins? Brian Flores said, I'm not doing this. Probably because Brian Flores knew that that was tampering, and he is currently a member of an organization that I just came from with Bill Belichick. Nonetheless, Tom could have taken that as Brian Flores going,

no, we want Ryan Fitzmagic over Tom Brady. But that is where Ryan Fitzmagic sits. He said on Pardon My Take, he said on Dan Levitard's show. It's interesting. It adds definitely some fodder to the conversation. A lot of people think it's Derek Carr. Fitz thinks it's Fitz. AJ, what are your thoughts on it all?

I'm still holding strong that it was Derek Carr. It seems like it is that. When you look at everything involved, it does feel like it's natural for Derek Carr to be the guy. But I don't know. Fitz may have a point here. Why do you think it was Derek Carr? I mean, who was it? Dana White.

They put the whole story out there. And Gronk basically co-signed. So, I mean, I feel like I was kind of into that. So you think that the reason why the deal didn't get done is because John Gruden said, I would rather keep my Derek Carr guy instead of fucking Tom Brady. And Tom Brady, you're staying with that motherfucker? I understand maybe before the knee injury with Trent, whenever they're playing against us,

Derek Carr was on his way to win an MVP that season. Christmas Eve gets hurt. His knee gets hurt. I think a lot of different things. The team moves cities. There's an entire rebuild. I think he's still a great quarterback. But Tom Brady, I believe, was talking to Derek Carr as well

because of the co-signage of Gronk. But Fitz Magic's like, this guy doesn't like me. This guy does not like me. So there's a chance I'm on the receiving end of that motherfucker as well. Yeah, I mean, I can see why he could think that. But, yeah, and we got to remember, too, when Brady was going through that, it wasn't like everybody thought Brady was going to be what he still is right now. His last year in New England, a lot of people were like,

hey, this dude might be washed. He might be done. So Gruden, not surprised. He's got a long-term contract. Maybe he said, I'll stick with the younger guy instead of this guy. He actually did come out and say that. Yeah, who I probably have two, maybe three years with. He won't change his offense either.

Yeah, change his offense. So, I mean, it's the same guy that got rid of Mack and say that. Yeah, who I probably have two, maybe three years with. Who changes offense either. Yeah, changes offense. So, I mean, it's the same guy that got rid of Mack and drafted another pass rusher that people think he reached for in the top five. So, Gruden, I mean, he has a track record of falling in love with certain guys. There was a quote that came out after this whole thing would have inevitably happened that he said, I would like to reiterate to everybody in las vegas we are happy with our quarterback he's a great young quarterback basically and at the time i think everybody's like oh he's talking to raiders fans who might be doubting derrick carr now looking back it's like

oh he was talking to the organization yeah he's like i don't know what y'all motherfuckers want tom brady this guy he's dead man i'll tell you what man that guy's dead he threw the ball better in tampa than he ever threw in new england the people that said he was washed those people should be taking the task i think don't you aj because that was a thing at one time remember we were talking about how many teams want to be involved with him and want tom brady in their door and i was getting i was getting heat from people like we don't want Tom Brady on here. I guess it's how Gruden felt as well. Colts.

We assumed everybody, we assumed every team would have Tom Brady. If Tom was willing to come there, they could work out a deal. But I wonder how much homework Gruden did. Did Gruden go back and watch his last two years and see, like, okay, and then kind of give a presentation of what we're doing here and why I want it and why I don't? You don't think that Tom Brady was the topic of the fired football coaches of america film session at 4 30 a.m that was taking place every single day he was fired i don't know i guess we're going to

learn more about john gruden i think his emails coming out oh yeah we're gonna learn we're gonna learn a lot about john gruden speaking of emails john green i think his guy's think is the guy's name. He's the author here from Indiana, Indianapolis, Indiana. He stars something with stars. Can you look this guy up? I think his name is John Green. What's the name of the movie? No, it's a book. He's a very, very accomplished author from Indianapolis, Indiana.

Big Colts fan. I've met him before. Younger guy. He's like 30-something, Colts fan. I've met him before. Younger guy. He's like 30-something, 40-something. Like the fault in our stars. Oh, of course. The fault in our stars. Great.

He's from Indiana. And I followed him because I got a chance to meet him. He put a tweet out the other night that was like, it is disgusting how some of these media people are acting because they were probably told, just like I was, that Vladimir Putin has hacked your emails and is blackmailing everybody and I was like well John Green got his email oh John what the hell is going on you know and then John went on for like a reply tweet to that tweet and he was like I assume that some things that I thought were going to be held private

could be held over my head after being informed that they jacked my emails but that shouldn't be how people act and he was doing it politically wise but when you talk about these emails from the nfl 600 000 of them and only we've only seen three of them right yeah i mean that that's inevitable right that that that at some point is all going to come out we would assume right they were trying to keep it quiet too they didn't want this to be public at all and that one attorney and granted is probably on Gruden's side, but he essentially did say, like, yeah, there's no way Goodell keeps his job if all these. We need discovery. We need this whole thing. And it's going to allegedly an open trial.

This hearing is happening between John Goodell. Are they about to show emails that came into Gruden's inbox from other people, too, or just what he sent out? No, I would assume so. I think it's probably both ways. If there's an open line of communication. It's a friendly fire. Because if he was treated. No, I would assume so. I think it's probably both ways. If there's an open line of communication. It's a friendly fire. Because if he was treated unfairly, right,

the only way you'd be able to prove that he was treated unfairly was to prove that other things also existed in there, and I think that is going to become... Just a lot of shit. And isn't that part of the reason why... 600,000 emails. A lot of shit. He hasn't been like,

no, no, these things can't see the light of day. He's like, oh, yeah. Let's implicate some people and fuck it. I got my out there that yeah i go to john groon yeah john everybody hates me yeah all right i apologize i'm about to get you know probably a few hundred million dollars from the nfl for this wrongful termination thing that just took place and also all you other motherfuckers they were real high and mighty real quick. They were emailing with me. You're emailing with me. Guess what? You're going to learn today.

That's a wild thing to be a part of right now. The NFL is probably like, how do we make sure that can't have that happen? There's a lot of people like, okay, what did I like? Probably not even really bad things, but just stupid jokes they probably sent him or dumb gifs. So many memes with just boobs in there that John Gruden has been sending with other guys he knows. Because they weren't unless I'm remembering this completely wrong, but

this wasn't like a Gruden investigation. No, Snyder. It was in a workplace in Washington. He got caught up. And this was how many years worth of emails? 10. 600,000. I think it was. That's how many emails.

600 or 700,000. It might have been 700,000. I don't remember. It was like that many. And John Gruden's like, oh, okay, four emails make it out, huh? It's me. This ain't going to be- It's a lot of shit, man.

That was a little more acceptable 10 years ago than it's acceptable now in 2020. By the way, still a problem. Hey, hateful, obviously people, whatever, what that word has meant and other words have meant to people and what the harm it has caused to people and their emotions and everything like that. But we have to remember that we do live in a world

that is ever-changing, trying to get better as possible. But I think in those emails, there's going to be a lot of stuff where people aren't going to care. No, no, no. John Green put in there. there he was like uh john green who fought in our stars author i forgot that the email people like back in the day people used email as if it was like text or like oh yeah i don't know but like the generation before like that was like their text message that was invented so like they kind of stuck with it.

That's what he was saying. He was saying, I'm sure I said a lot of things in there. I'm not like, in an email. Who is he? My emails are, yeah, let's call it this time. We've got a meeting at this time. People use it for personal interaction on a daily basis. I did not know that.

Cube Life is a very heavy email. Really? Is that the only thing? Because your phone can't be up? I am within the company, but they could read those so slack slack too slack yeah i mean there's some people when twitter first came out thought they were just dm and people oh yeah they're tweeting everybody yeah twitter was interesting there at the beginning everybody's like oh it's like a facebook wall yeah exactly it's like whoa whoa that thing can really what is this my God, I had no idea that the person I was talking about in another city was going to see that in five minutes.

What the fuck just happened? Tagging on the Facebook wall changed the game. That really changed society quickly. You know what I mean? I never really got it. Did you get into Facebook? It was like the first year That I was going into college It was there

So the only way you could sign up Was with a college email We were just going into college It was like if you didn't sign up You were a fucking Mark What are you doing? So yeah I got into it

I had 5,000 friends On the first weekend That was the max Sheesh I was the only freshman That was playing And I was in those dorms So everybody on earth

Just like said Want to be friends? I'm like, yeah, let's be friends. Bam, bam, bam, bam. Add, add, add. And then after, like, week two, I couldn't add anybody. So I had to get rid of people to, like, add actual friends. Sure, yeah. Sorry about it.

And now, to be clear, I go on Facebook sparingly nowadays, but it's just to see, like, kids grow up. Like, Phil's kids. Like, I see a lot of CFOil's kids through his wife's facebook page so people are still using it though i think people still use it on a daily basis yeah i'm not sure i'm not sure i think so for sure tweets a couple weeks later because they make their way onto facebook so facebook does a great job of driving traffic to things too like you look at like analytics of stuff like what moved what didn't move because

a reel of ours will end up on facebook somehow don't know how they'll ask me look at this video do you want to share this on facebook and i'm like no and then the next day i open up the analytics and it's like action or traffic from facebook versus like instagram is is much higher. They're dying. TikTok is kind of killing. If you look at Instagram even, you'll see a lot of likes and interaction. They're trying to make everyone make Reels and make it as much like TikTok as possible. Just found out that Reels engagement is next to zero.

That's a stat in analytics that came out. So it's all fake. But it's entertaining. That's a stat in analytics that came out. So it's all fake. But it's entertaining. It's entertaining. Let's go to Mitt Talk in the back. Mitt, what's going on, pal? Pat, I have some horrible news for all of us that grew up

on the greatest social media platform, Twitter. I was told by my younger sister and some other younger people who, they don't use Twitter at all. Oh, no. I don't know what it is. No, they'll graduate into it.

They'll graduate into it. I hope he's frank. Maybe. Good. Young people stink. I don't want them on there. They don't want to type. They don't want to talk.

They just emojis. Nah, but as you get older, I think news and Twitter is the best. I think it becomes, I think it becomes. Yeah, hopefully they want to learn. Yeah, Twitter,

it brings all your news into one spot. Everything going on in one place that you can go consume. I think Twitter will continue to have a space forever. Yes. Just like Facebook. Instagram, though. Kids are not about Instagram. Kids are all TikTok right now.

Instagram is trying to keep up with everything, right? Yeah. But they got the Oculus, that company. So they're going to make money forever. We got another one coming out soon, right? Yeah, the new one looks sick. Did you see Zuck training MMA? Yeah, that company. So they're going to make money for it. We've got another one coming out soon, right? Yeah, the new one looks sick. Did you see Zuck training MMA? Yeah, I do.

Jiu-Jitsu, everything. That dude is a sabot. Did you see Conor McGregor said, fucking right, Mark. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah, Zuckerberg's ready to fight in real life and in the Oculus.

McGregor better watch out. What? He keeps tweeting to fucking Bulla he's going to bark up the wrong tree. Okay? Bula just signed a deal with UFC for five years. Uh-huh. Probably good for the citizenship, if I had to guess.

Let's get Bula, you know, able to become an American, I'd assume. Let's get him over here. More Bula, the better. Congratulations on your contract, Bula. Thank you, Bula. Can Dana give Goop a job? I was just going to say. I'm getting a call from Shane Leckler right now. Oh, no.

Shane, I am live right now. Microphone live. There is 14 people watching, but I am live right now. Can I call you back after? Yep. Do you have anything to say about week one punting and kicking? Did you watch? Yeah, I watched some of it.

It was good. There was some stuff in there that probably should have been done a little different. But time management, Monday night, Jesus Christ. All right, all right, all right. I'll call you later. I'll call you later. I'll call you later. That's actual goat right there of punning.

Oh, yeah. That's goat right there. I forget how many years straight. It was like 14 straight years at a Pro Bowl or something. Just had his locker at the Pro Bowl, and he is hysterical. That that guy will call me drunk that guy will call me when he's bored i'm just like how the fuck have i become friends with shane leckler i'm very fucking lucky for that i mean we talked about like how kids kind of learn the league through madden there was probably 10 15 years where no matter what when you're doing a fantasy draft after you know you draft your starters boom

you go draft shane leckler and then you fast forward and simulate to the end so i feel like that is kind of known because of madden yeah because he's punched the ball so far and he had he had like 10 4-2s running down the field too remember davis we're drafting speed so it's like the perfect combination of guy that can murder ball as far as possible and we got and we got dogs running down the field. It was like, what a dream scenario. And then Shane being the guy on top of it, it's like a perfect match made. Great teammate, too, locker room guy. My best friend, Tyvon Branch, who I went to college with,

was one of those 4-2 gunners. He used to speak highly of Shane and Seabass. They had a cool, cool crew out there. So, travel to Oakland to play against Shane and Seabass. They had a cool crew out there. So, traveled to Oakland to play against Shane and Seabass. This was after I get arrested for my public intoxication. Seabass comes up to me and goes like, sorry, you know, he's got a Polish accent. And he's like, you take tension off me, you know. Like, he literally polished his first act because he was the drunk kicker, right, for a little bit.

And then I did it. And I told him, I'm like, man, this substance of abuse program is terrible. Like, they're tracking me fucking everywhere, CBass. He goes, go on cruise. What they do, take helicopter or something like that? And I was like, all right. I'm taking cruises when I want to have a good time. So I'm like, thank you, CBass, for helping me out.

But, yeah, we played Shane when he was down in Houston a bunch. And he would have, you know, 30-pack of beer for me and Vinny on the way out. Yeah, it was like always cool, always the man, and always very fucking good. And just like, you know, I try to chat about specialists are normally pretty good at, like, game management because it usually revolves around us either getting fucked or having to save somebody or like it operating right like having to putt at the end of a half versus you know running out the end of a half two very different situations getting to kick at the end of the half or fucking up not getting to kick at the end of half

like directly our lives are are dependent upon it Vinatieri is one of the greatest like game management guys because he was in those Bill Belichick meetings and he's very intelligent. He enjoys that. His brother, pretty high up in the military, I think strategy is a big part of their family. He wanted to be a brain surgeon.

Vinatieri wanted to be a brain surgeon I believe, or a heart surgeon if he wasn't a kicker. So you're talking about like, he's just the fucking guy. His game management ability, which probably sucked for the coaches that were coaching with him on the team. He used to get pissed. Pissed.

Pissed. We were talking not happy. What the fuck are we doing? What are we doing? It's a whole situation. Shane might be around this season a little bit. Really? Okay, Shane.

That'd be sweet. Well, see, you got to get him off that goddamn boat. He's down in the Gulf fishing. Okay, I get it. Tough, good. I'll get random videos texting to me, and it's just he's got four engines on the back of his speedboat, six different reels going on.

He pulls out the back, and then it's just like turn around. He's just got a cold beer and something. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm going to go talk to a microphone for four hours. He's like, you're it's just like, turn around, he's just got a cold beer and something to drop him out. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm going to go talk to a microphone for four hours. He's like, you're supposed to be retired, bud. Like, we're supposed to be retired. I'm like, well, that ain't the way it goes right now, Shane.

I wish I could be down there with you. He has a great time. He can be our Micah Parsons. He handed you a beer after the draft in Nashville, too, right after you made your pick. Oh, yeah. That thing was gone. Gone. That was a. That thing was gone. Gone. That was a fun time, that draft.

I cannot believe I got to do that. It was awesome. And then now we have the draft spectacular, basically. It's like the draft has been a very large evening for our operation as a whole. Every time. And we never take it serious. Yeah. You know what I mean? Best way to watch it. What's that a whole. Every time. And we never take it serious. Yeah. You know what I mean? Which is.

Best way to watch it. What's that? Here. So dumb. Yeah, because, you know, all the analysts, it's a crap shoot every time in the draft. Yeah, there's Shane right back there with the test. And we beat the cable cop who had the picks this year. Yeah.

Which was awesome. Shout out fucking Arnie Miro. Yeah, shout out Arnie Miro. Stopping stealing picks. He just tweeted actually with an injury update for Thursday night. Yeah, Keenan Allen out, I do believe, which was expected going into the show as soon as Darius said he's not playing. Muscle injury, hamstring, short week.

Why would you ever bring a guy back on a Thursday? It's a massive game, so maybe there's a little bit of a conversation. The Chargers have ruled out wide receiver Keenan Allen and tight end Donald Parham versus the Chiefs, while cornerback J.C. Jackson is questionable. Haven't ruled out J.C. yet. He missed last weekend. Will he make his debut with the Chargers on this particular Thursday night on Amazon Prime? Shout out to Rap Sheet for that.

Does this change anything, D-Bot? You're a big-time Chargers supporter. Does this scare you? I mean, the J.C., him being questionable, obviously, is huge. You know, playing against, obviously, Kansas City. Asante Samuel, everybody's talking about that route that Devontae ran, which was incredible. But he bounced back, got a big-time pick later in that game, too.

I'd like to let Asante Samuel Jr. know, if you ever see this, me and Darius were discussing what plays were going to be a part of everything DB earlier today. And I said, got it through the Devontae one, right? Because everybody on the internet was tweeting like, never seen this before. Never seen this before. And D-Butt's like, there's no reason for us to put a bigger spotlight on it. And I appreciate that. He caught the hill.

If the Raiders would have won, you know. Why was that vastly different than what you've seen before? Because it was so far down the field? Yeah, what was it? Just that you're running an out route in the NFL. Like everything is timing, it's bang, bang. You rarely see like that inside step, inside stuttering and getting back out. But he's just so smooth at the beginning getting off the releases

and then at the top of his route. You don't see that every week. I saw it 10 years ago. Brandon Lurie ran almost that same route, and I, like, fell. I, like, touched grass. It's probably the only time I've ever been routed to the point where I fell. So you're not seeing that every week. That was a special route.

But they didn't get the dub. Hey, just wait for the Thunderdome. Yeah. Miss that guy. On that court. Can't wait. Shoot me. I don't know if my knees are going to be able to do that. Normally those wooden floors, the gym floors, have a little bit of bounce to them.

Not Thunderdome. That thing is right on the cement underneath. I thought the exact same thing. I was like, man, there is no... I mean, this is certainly wood, but there is no, yeah, I think I'm going to need that. Double copper fit knees. Yes. We got to break it in. Also, hey, elbow. Elbow copper fit, no doubt.

Got to have hands probably too, if you want. Gloves. Like a Shaq icy hot pad on your back. Give me the, I'll get the... Britt Favre still with Carver? Well. Come on. I think it's going to have to be.

There's going to be some money that's going to have to be owed. He didn't know what he was doing. Going to need a carver for his brain. I beg to differ, Tony. I read that whole article. It was about eight pages. I read it this morning. It took me about 35 minutes.

Brett Favre is a goddamn criminal mastermind. I mean, I had no idea. I thought Brett was just some Dumb hayseed I love watching Him play football he's one of my favorite Quarterbacks of all time this guy's like Fucking Bernie Madoff what he was doing down There holy shit yeah it wasn't for him

Though right it was for no yeah it was for Southern volleyball facility That his daughter is part of the team but Basically just going directly To the governor of the state and being like, hey, let's get this done. And then him pretty much greenlighting it, and then any time there was a snag,

Brett would text an aide or an assistant and be like, what do we got to do to push this through? And then they would just start right back up. Sounds like a good politician. What's that for something? He's robbing. Who? Good politician.

Who's he robbing? Peter to pay Paul? No, Paul to pay Peter. It was broke ass Peter. Yeah. Oh, he's opposite of the...

They were taking money out of probably the portion of the world that needs it the most. Who's a rich Robin Hood. Poor season. Poor states. States welfare fund.

You can't be... Stealing from... I didn't read all the text messages, but I did see the headlines. Doesn't look good for old Brett. Yeah, not at all. He had 7,000 questions. He didn't know what he was doing.

Yeah, so then that leads into a question like all of these headlines and sound bites that Brett Favre has made while being a media pundit. Boom. We have to assume that he is trying to set up his defense. To Todd's point, his brain is mush. Yes. Probably told his wife, like, hey, don't worry. I'm going to start saying some outlandish shit on serious.

Wait until they hear this one. I have 400 concussions. They're going to ask me about the NFL. I'm going to fucking hit them with a boom. We're going to talk about Yemen today, okay, and what's going on over there. That's genius. Is he the ambassador for the World Cup?

Should be. Send him to Qatar. I don't know what the fine's going to be that Brett Favre's going to have to pay. There's no way they put him in jail for this. No, definitely not. I saw him and the governor, I don't think, are facing anything like that. But a lot of the other people involved, like, oh, yeah, not good. Not good.

FBI is getting involved. Oh, no. Well, Brett shouldn't have fucking stole from the people, Brett. I believe Southern Miss is ranked 16th in women's 1A volleyball this year, though. Well, they used to play with no nets. It's not for nothing. How much money do you need for the volleyball? No offense, volleyball.

I played volleyball. I love the sport of volleyball. I love everything about it. It's like millions and millions of dollars. Oh, yeah, for sure. They built them a facility. Yeah, brand new facility. A big part of it, too, is that I think it's in the state bylaws or something like that, Southern Miss. They can't start any projects on campus unless whatever the project is has already been paid in full and the school has those funds,

and that wasn't the case. So they were kind of just stringing him along, and every once in a while it hit a snag, and he'd be like, hey, I need another fucking $2 million so we can break ground on this thing again they'd give it to him and it was just like uh yeah not not a great deal for brett jeez i did see he's promoting the hallow app though to pray with him really let's go yeah wait this is is this on top of what he already owes from those speaking gigs no so i think this is that whole thing yeah it's all part of it yeah. I don't know if the speaking geeks thing were ever a thing. I think that was an attempt to be a cover-up for this story never to make.

So it's said in that as well that a big part of it, like when they were talking about needing money or not having money, he'd be like, well, I could just do a couple fucking radio spots and you can take whatever I would have made and just give it directly towards this thing. So it was almost like... Some sweat equity. Yeah, pretty much.

And he's going to say that he didn't know where the money was coming from. Yeah, exactly. Already has. That's what he said? Yeah. Yep. His lawyer said, hey, Brett has been nothing but upstanding in this whole fucking situation. Okay.

He had no idea where the money was coming from. And then all the text messages came out of him kind of just. Oh, knowing exactly what's coming out of the welfare? Yeah, just very actively checking on the situation with this one specific aide who... It just... Deliberately asking if there's any way that the media can find out where this came from and how it happened. Yeah.

The media has found out. Right. At least he wasn't emailing. She said, no, we never disclose this stuff to the public. How about text get out? I can't remember. I'm sure it was in there. If the FBI's involved, didn't they subpoena people's phones?

Yeah, I think they might have. If they need Apple to get through the phone. Okay. If you have a password. Brett Favre sounds like he's fucked, going to have to pay back a bunch of money, and he took from the welfare fund in Mississippi. Damn you, Brett.

Jesus Christ. Bill just came in here. Something toxic's coming. Bill, what happened? Nancy knew one of the people associated with this is on. She's getting like 13 felony charges. They are coming after this. And she is the one that Brett was pretty much texting one-on-one with.

Is she an aide to the governor? Yeah, I believe so. Jeez, man. Nancy knew he was going to jail for 35 years. Nancy knew. And Brett Favre's like, need to sell some copper, Fitz. Let's get this money back. Ask Wrangler if Dale Jr. is doing their spot again this year.

Let's go ahead and pivot away from that and talk about Thursday Night Football tailgate hosted by Josh Richards with special guests. Thursday Night Football doing a, I believe it's a TikTok and Instagram kickoff show for Amazon and Michael Richards. Josh Richards. Oh, super handsome kid on TikTok. Super duper handsome. I know who he is. He's a star. He is. Absolute star. And Porter, by the way.

Yeah, Pat Renna's fucking gonna kill it. Vivacious.honey will be on there. What? The TikTok drummer will be on there. Lil Izzy Vert will be there. Zeth will be there. He has great lettuce. Sean Sart account will be there. Zeth will be there. He has great lettuce. Sean Sart Account will be there.

Another great haircut. Patrick Rena. He was doing a dance the other day to all the football themes. Yeah, Ham Porter. Aquarium Pacific will be there. I don't know if it's going to be Otter or whatever the hell this is. Lacey Jane Bryan stopping by. Gaming Foodie.

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That's TikTok Zito TikTok Z TikTok Z I assume these numbers are going to be Ridiculous Yeah, stop tagging me in this. That's TikTok Z, though. TikTok Z. TikTok Z. I assume these numbers are going to be ridiculous. Follow up. I'm an old. Yeah.

I don't know who any of these motherfuckers are. Not one of them. I know a Sandlock guy. Yeah, Hank Porter, right? I know a Sandlock guy. That dog's going to be sweet. I know Josh Litchick because I'm a big fan of the business he's running. But everybody else, I don't know. But this is going to be huge.

This is going to be bigger numbers than anybody could imagine. It's on a platform that we don't know any of the motherfuckers on it. Yeah, just trying to get the young kids engaged, following the guy. I think that's what it's about. Smart idea to introduce to them that Amazon is a thing. I think that's going to be their biggest motive this year is letting people know that we are the exclusive thursday night football partner you know and that's a good idea to get them involved can't wait to see the dude perfect is having a watch long for a few of them i don't know if it's happening tomorrow night and then

the games are going to be great kirk and how are going to do fantastic you got fitz magic doing media runs throwing up some shit uh gonzalez is in a goddamn uh movie right i mean they got things cooking right now over there at Amazon. Congrats to all of them, AJ. It doesn't happen. You know what? The weird connection. I know Tony Gonzalez's ex-wife is Bezos' current girlfriend, right?

Yeah. What? Like, is that a weird Amazon connection? Oh. It's not like it's a secret. I mean, it's public knowledge. Crazy. Of course.

It's a pop culture. I didn't know that. He hangs out with Bezos. They hang out together. They're kind of good. I've seen know that. He hangs out with Bezos. They hang out together. They're kind of good. I've seen pictures of them together. That makes sense. It's like Dewey and his ex-wife.

They're all friends. Let's go to the folks. Let's go to... Also, Alicia Keys and Swiss Beats. I believe they actually... I don't know if they live with his ex-wife, baby mama,

but they, I know they, yeah, do you know this? They're all friends. Yeah. It might not be anymore. This was just one photo I saw maybe a year and a half ago.

They were on vacation together and it was a big photo. And I just, that was in the middle of my learning about Alicia Keys just being a fucking hippie. She's just a hippie. Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, she is very talented.

Yeah, I think that happens. There's always some interesting shit that pops off in some of these relationships. Like, how are they getting through it? It's like, if it works, I guess it's all that matters. Sure. Khloe Kardashian and Tristan Thompson. Yeah, hold on. What's his name?

Travis Scott and Kylie. They're all friends. They're not married anymore. Well. Yeah, I didn't have much of a choice. What? Kanye's trying to drive a wedge through that whole thing. He is trying to.

Good luck. He can't do it. Nobody can drive a wedge through that. I'm glad Ray J's putting the truth out there. You can't kill what can't be killed. Did Ray J put the truth out there? A couple days ago, he released it. Put some emails out.

Yeah, he's trying to put the email text messages out. I did see Kanye stole his computer. But we all knew, already knew that. They had the sex tape on it. Yeah. I thought they met up. Ray J gave it to him. Smacked him in the mouth, I heard. With Kanye? Yeah. Kanye wouldn't. I think he flew back commercial back to Kim. That song, Real

Friends. Yeah. What happened? That's season one, I think, of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. I fucking hate it. Can't do it anymore. Go to the phones. Congrats to everybody. Hell yeah. Love, love.

That sounds like it's a lot of hate over there. Yeah. I don't know how I'm going to hide it. Hate and love are similar. Very close, but the one is much worse than the other for all of our emotional well-being. Well, we hate to love. Hate me now, love me later. There it is. Is he going to Nebraska, Coach JB?

Yeah, he should. Big chance. I don't understand why not. Why wouldn't? I saw him breaking down film about Kyler Murray and all that shit about fucking the football field. Give him a 10-day contract. What's the worst that can happen?

Please. Let's see that press conference. 10-day turnaround. That'd be sweet. Where they introduce him. Nebraska seems like the perfect place to bring in JB, too, right? Yes. Yeah.

He'll get players from Cali. He'll bring in athletes. They got a fuck ton of money. Yeah. Yeah. He's not messing around in the transfer portal. No, I think he is. He better.

He better. Yeah, I think he is. I think that first season is probably 45 transfers, if I had to guess, going to Nebraska. I think Scott Frost and Coach JB are going to have two different philosophies. I think JB may force a few guys into the portal, too, if he shows up on the list. For sure. I'd be shocked if CJ Stroud didn't not go to the NFL

and transfer to Nebraska to play for JB. I heard that rumor. Nebraska should think about it. Yeah. I heard Nebraska is on the tail, but Notre Dame might be looking into JV. Oh, that's your guy, AJ. If he doesn't write Coach Lou Holtz back, he's fucked. You know it, and I know it.

I love Marcus Freeman. I sure hope he does well. And if for some reason they move on from Marcus, then I guess JV is the next choice, right? Yeah, I think that's kind of he's in waiting for the next Notre Dame head coaching job, Coach JV. He'll write Lou back. He definitely will. That's his thing. He showed respect to those who came before him,

not like these fucking shit birds who have no respect for anything. Absolutely. I think Coach JB said on this show last year that he would do it for like $500,000. So if you're in Nebraska, it's like, hey, we owe Scott Frost like $180 million over the next 20 years. We can give Coach JB fucking $500 500 grand this year, cut our losses. We'll see what we do. Now, Brett Favre might accept the role for the same amount of money

because he's going to just need cash at any point now. Yeah, new vending machines in the Southern Miss volleyball facility. They need them, and they need them now. That was a text message? No, but it's shit like that. You're the only one that read the whole thing, though. So, like, whenever you start giving out details like that, that seemed to be an excess. Whatever I say, you know, I may be embellishing a little bit.

Whoa! But it's a crazy story. Let's go to the 5RNG phone line and let's get the fuck out of here on this beautiful Wednesday. Can't wait for tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Can't wait for tomorrow. Thankful for today, but can't wait for tomorrow. Let's go to the phones.

Let's go to Zach in Seattle on the 5 Energy phone line. Zach, what's going on, pal? Yo, Pat, AJ, deep up, boys. What's going on? Hey, nothing, man. How are you? Sure, man. Doing pretty good.

I just want to talk about, and let me be clear, I'm not a Seahawks fan. In fact, go, Pat, go. Shout out, AJ Hawks. I just want to say, don't be surprised by the moves. Seahawks fans have In fact, go, Pat, go. Shout out, A.J. Hawks. I just want to say, don't be surprised by the moves. Seahawks fans have liked Russ for one reason. That's that he was good at the football. Aside from that, they were not down with the personality. You saw Sherman and Dougie Baldwin even through shade on the Twitter after the game.

I don't know. The tipping point was when he spoke through Team 3, like you said, Pat. Man, it sounds like I'm just right about everything. Yeah. Nate Boyer, you know, said, can't act like i'm just right about everything yeah yeah nate boyer you know said can't act like you know everything everywhere sure feels like we could start doing that yep this why not this show feels like we can do it so seattle why are they coming after us if they've hated them for years they just we can't do it they can yeah and probably just didn't want to

come to the realization that like oh shit a guy who won a super bowl and who is one of the best like 10 quarterbacks in the league like he's not going to be here next year he hated that was real yeah yeah i don't get it man the the walking him wandering around the field looking for someone to hug was the weirdest thing to me i was like man where are like i think you said it where are the trainers where's the team docs where's everybody like what happened i would hope and i'm just the punter, if I went to another team and the Colts were playing that team. Ten years.

I was there for eight years. I would fucking hope that that training room, the equipment room, just let alone players who might be like, oh, fuck you, you said you were better than us or whatever. Okay, I guess we can get past that. If I went out guns a-blazin', well, special teams fucking stinks, coach stinks, and I did that whole thing, and they didn't want to come talk to me.

But the doctors, equipment managers, trainers, I didn't even think about that until today. It's like, those are personal relationships you would think that you had. And Deebo was awfully surprised as well

in that whole thing. And now that I'm thinking about it with the trainers, I mean, he's got team three, so he probably just, it's probably been a wedge between those guys.

But you know how like trainers and doctors are like they go by there and then you go outside of that they're kind of like all right fuck you exactly so that you know thinking about that now but that was very very odd the only semblance of like the other side of that was there was a video of dk mccaff and someone presented him a let's cook russ sign that they were holding up the crowd yeah and he wouldn't sign and he's like no i'm not gonna do that But that might have just been him being like, I'm not going to be that petty. But DK also might have been tight with Russ. For sure.

And they did a whole jersey thing. I do wonder if the Seattle fans look back at the Super Bowl and more so look at the Legion and Bloom than they do. Like, oh, Russ won assists. I feel like – Well, that's what you guys did when Tom left with you as Belichick. That's exactly what I'm saying. They definitely do that with –

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I bet it tastes pretty good if you put it in the fridge most things do you know what does it hmm those quest cups you don't like them in the fridge put them in the fridge because they are naturally going to be drier than the regular it's a cold dry so when it's warm and the chocolate's melting a little bit it actually gives it some moisture kind It kind of gives it some moisture. Because I put a bunch in the freezer and I'm like, here we go. Like, about to do it. And I'm like, this ain't like a Reese's. I took them all out.

Come on. Put those things right in the microwave. Get these back and whatever. I thought I was really figuring it out. So I agree, though. Cold drinks is where I'm at. I'm a cold drink guy. I like fucking ice cold shit.

Yeah, for sure. There's people that like warm shit. I like warm shit. I mean, outside of maybe like a hot cocoa in the winter when it's icy cold, I can't imagine wanting to drink anything warm ever. Miami, there's nothing warm. Coffee, I guess, down there,

right? Big coffee. I'm not opposed to room temperature water. Hell yeah. Yeah, I can handle that too. I like ice water, but I definitely have no issue with room temperature water. I don't understand. I don't understand what's happening. Flat soda. Oh, so fucking good.

No, it's dead false. That's inside your arm. No, I can't do that. That's your palate. Whatever. I have transposed nerves in my teeth in the back. That's why I like room temp water sometimes. That makes sense.

Because you blew up in your mouth whenever you didn't wear a mouthpiece and used your helmet as a weapon. You have a medical reason to like warm water. What's your excuse? What does that even mean? You like room temp water? Absolutely. Delicious. I can do both. I like cold too. Goes down so fast if it's room temp.

Can't like both. We can chug. I like a good chug. Okay, if we're chugging, room temp for sure but when are you just housing water you got to get brunch you're like you know i need to fucking chug this water down you're getting ice water you're getting the room temp water brunch is like exclusively ice water i feel like no it's not this is how i got in this conversation because these super nice places have they give you a a vase looking thing with water and then two cups, and the water is the warmest water of all time.

That's how most places are now. I feel like they bring one big water, which I like because I can refill it myself, but I do want ice a lot of times. Yes, me too. That's how this whole conversation started. I learned there's a lot of people like you guys, though, that don't mind the room temp water. I'm like, what?

If we're chugging, I understand, but just sitting there, I can't do it. Sick. Don't mind. Yeah, but you wear there, I can't do it. Sick fucks. Yeah, but you wear a hoodie when it's 95 degrees. True. Yeah, freak. So your body probably thinks that's cold. The room temperature water, Darius probably thinks it's cold because his body is operating at like 150 degrees on a regular day.

I still don't understand that. That living room in Tampa sometimes would get up to 95 degrees with those lights on. And he'd come in there every single week with a black hoodie and black sweatpants. In August. It's hot outside. It's insane. You might have a problem with your pituitary gland. Oh.

You might have a medulla and vulva problem. You got to get that checked out. I was passing out of heat exhaustion. This guy had two jackets on Walk outside and it's just like instantly You're just covered in sweat I grew up in South Florida though Herbstreet

So Des Howard same way Desmond Howard whenever we were at Texas It was like 105 I think where we were at one point Me and Herbstreet full Our faces obviously All the blood in our body is boiling So it's trying to get out of our face. I'm drenched in sweat, this whole thing.

Des just chilling, you know? And Herb Street goes, Des lives in Miami. He's got no problem. I'm like, you're like fucking Darius Butler. You South Florida guys have no idea how a human body's supposed to feel at 105 fucking degrees. Don't believe me. My body doesn't operate.

It does not do well at all it's the worst me possible yes is whenever it gets above 80 and it's humid i'm fucking done puts you in a terrible mood too doesn't it oh i mean not terrible but like everything is okay you gotta take 17 showers today yeah and like the thighs and all the clothes are ruined like clothes are just ruined i'm'm uncomfortable. Yeah, you're right. That's why you see all those Florida man stories. Yes. Weather's always like that.

Shit gets crazy. It's too hot. It's too damn hot. It's like the penguin wand. We'll dunk on D-Bot on its winter, and he's going to be struggling, and we'll be just fine. Oh, yeah, because you're coming up here. I'm coming, yeah. Yeah.

Sorry. Good luck. I'm going to like you the first couple weeks, too. Sorry. High school feels crispy outside. Yeah, you'll be able to catch some good. After Halloween. You'll be able to like you the first couple weeks. Sorry. High school feels crispy outside. After Halloween. You'll be able to have some good fits, too. You'll be able to have for a while a good jacket game.

After Halloween. It's been some years. Mid-December, he's going to be showing up in snow pants. Starts after Halloween. I'm not tripping. I'm not worried. You should be. Keep an eye on it.

Going to be cold. Keep an eye on it. Bring your puffy coat, bitch. Be better. That's really all we have, though. Yeah, wait until it's cold. Yeah. Not tripping.

Golly. Still going to be cold for us. Love cold. That's the problem. Do you? Yeah. Do you really? Yeah, I mean, the entire year, last year, I tried to do a mental test, and you do it.

You know, not wear any long sleeves in the studio during the winter because it gets to be 55 degrees in here. I made it through it, and I decided like, yeah, I think I'm past the point of hating cold. Is Thunderdome going to be on? Thunderdome has temperature regulation. Okay, good. Well, I hope because that place is huge. So if it gets cold. I want to let you know, though, we're going to keep it chilly.

Yeah. It's going to be cold in there. You and Letterman. I run hot. I run hot. Letterman, though, we're going to keep it chilly. Yeah. It's going to be cold in there. You and Letterman. I run hot. I run hot. Letterman, yeah, I want to watch his show. It was chilly in there. He'd like to keep it super chilly, I guess, for the crowd.

He don't want the crowd to get all hot and tired. Smart. I don't want to sound like a selfish prick. I just keep it cold because I run real fucking hot. Yeah, possible. I mean, there'll be a gym if you... Yeah, I was going to say. If you're going too cold, go hop in the hot shower.

Or, boom, go go run fucking set of suicides on the court oh yeah there we go oh yeah bingo better get your shots up you're gonna have to don't worry about it hey we can run a full yeah it's perfect full awesome bro and one mixtape but the amount of we have the amount of cameras we have in there with the amount of service we can run like games and like broadcast it in there pretty the amount of service, we can run games and broadcast it in there pretty easily. Getting to see how and what we're going to be able

to do, it's like, holy fuck. There's a golf simulator in there that has fucking three cameras in it and on it. We paid a lot of money. Would have been a lot more if it's in New York or LA Of course But this place is going to be

Fucking sick I think Honestly We should run We should have a Three on three tournament That we Broadcast Like a league

Maybe I think just I don't want to run a league Can I rest One day Yeah Oh okay So we don't have to do this

I was thinking like Four teams in the office League, round robin Oh you're talking about us playing Yeah yeah yeah No no Okay good That's what I was worried about I was not talking about us playing yeah yeah yeah no no okay good that's what i was talking about us playing no no we're not yeah that's gonna get pretty competitive i assume we want to yeah we put up a big prize on it i don't know if you're ever going

to get to the shape in which it'll matter i'm thinking about it right now and i'm going to d-butt is going to assign devin funches to his yeah seriously and he's gonna have somebody else i mean his team i'm i'm the bench guy on d-but he's going to have somebody else on the spot. What do you mean, his team? I'm the bench guy on D-Bud's team. I'm the handshake guy on that team. Oh, you're the locker room? Yeah, I'm the locker room guy. I'm just the guy at the end of the bench, you know, to keep the vibes high.

You're getting some minutes. You're getting some runs. Sure, when we're up 50. I think we should really start brainstorming about all the shit. Defensive specialist. OCW might, yeah, he'll be smacking the floor. OCW might make a return on that whole thing. Ooh.

The wrestling ring in the middle there? Oh, God. Be like, fucking mania. Let's go. OCW's office championship wrestling. Maybe the best product we have ever put together. By far. In our entire existence.

Anyone has put together. Maybe. The hallway walking in. Oh. For far. In our entire existence. Anyone has put together. Maybe. The hallway walking in. For the ramp. Smoking there. Is that where Jesus is fighting the Easter Bunny? Yeah. Jesus saved, actually, our champion.

Who's fighting against the devil. The devil. Okay, that's what it was. Straight to hell match. You're almost like, what the hell? All our souls. All of us, yeah. We're on the line.

It's not funny. Eternal damnation, D-ation d but yeah oh because nick thought he was so funny and sent a dm to the devil got it i try to watch that about once every three months or so we're about coming up on that time it's been a while we all that's one of the only things we filmed all of them in one night we couldn't hear a goddamn thing and we lost our voice and we sat in the editor's bay watching it back until like

2am it felt like 2-3am just dying laughing at the whole thought of it very proud of that one we have three episodes ready to go

very loud season 2 season 2 was pushing the boundaries a little bit a little controversial with the storylines we had

but I think we would execute it for the art yeah for sure yeah let's controversial with the storylines we have. I think we would have executed it for the art. Yeah, for sure. Let's go to the fence. I mean, mom was dinner table match. Yeah, that might be my personal favorite. Yeah, I think so. A test tube baby who had no mom or dad. No dad.

No mom or dad was fighting against our champion for our champion's mom for Mother's Day. He was in the crowd. Great storyline. Yeah. Every week we had. We did.

Yeah, we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bill Ding, the wall. William Ding. Bill Ding, the wall. Yeah, his nickname was the wall. Great seal. Full name, William Ding. Construction fit. Yeah.

And he was a fucking worker technician in the ring. I was going to say. He knew what he was doing. Well, I mean, that's because the champion was a true champion. Champion. Champion. Oh, wow. Those were the days. Me and Ty just yelling into a microphone. Screaming.

For four straight hours. Crowd in studio. Couldn't hear what each other were saying the entire time not aware crowd brought it though yeah all every show people that watch the people that watch our shows are the best yeah pretty cool too so people recognize me from a lot of different things when i'm out and about i assume for you guys so i don't want to act like this is just my own personal experience the guy the people that know me from this show, always the coolest in public.

Always like, hey, Pat, what's up, man? Love the show or whatever. And then they just keep it moving. You know what I mean? Always the coolest people. And those were the people that were in there. They knew what the job. They understood the assignment,

which I was very, very thankful for. I thought you were about to say they knew you from OCW. I was like, yes. That too. Only our people who they knew you from OCW. I was like, yes. That too. Only our people who are true people know OCW. Last phone call here in the 500 Energy phone line before we get the fuck out of here and have a Thursday. Hammer down. We'll be in about 10, 15 minutes.

Let's go to Damon in Georgia. Damon, what's going on? It's hilarious. What's going on, fellas? How we doing? Keep it moving. Perfect. Yo, D-Button AJ.

I know y'all have been on some great defensive squads, but have either of y'all had a game where you made the opposing fans physically get sick? I know Joey B's five turnovers had some woman rain and puke down on some poor kid in a neck brace who couldn't even turn his head to see why he was getting soaked. All right, Damon, great question, and that leads to this video that we found on the Internet last night. A woman in cincinnati who couldn't get up walk away go somewhere else lady she don't care and the kid in front of her the poor people around her you gotta you gotta scram when that happens the

person in front of her had a neck brace on a legit one uh solid probably a neck brace the person sitting next to the broken neck person though Who saw it though and didn't do anything Maybe the heel of this video The woman who's puking Obviously heel, bad person Can't just be puking on people Without even covering it up or attempting to do it She was making sure she wasn't getting it on her shirt

And she didn't want to make a scene I don't think She seemed to be trying to be as casual as possible And in turn she's puked on somebody in an operation it's uh it's brought back memories of your party oh yeah darius was doing this at the end of the next day she said i'm fine after the first one and i'm fine hey i'm good i'm good that's all i that's all i need to get it down get it out i didn't get it on my shirt oh i got it on my shirt there's more coming out why are you sitting down still because i think she just need to get it down, get it out. I didn't get it on my shirt. Oh, I got it on my shirt. There's more coming out.

Why are you sitting down still? Because I think she just wants to keep it cool. Go puke up in the concourse. Yeah, but then you get kicked out. This lady's puked before in a stadium. She knows if you act like there's nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong. Even if you projectile vomiting onto somebody with a broken fucking neck, dude. Nobody around her is like even aware of.

Except for the person recording. They can smell it. I don't know. It looks like she's just spitting out ice cold beer. That's straight white claw. I've seen that before. That's just white claw foam coming back up. The poor kid's never going again. I do not know.

I do not know. Yeah, there's people standing in front of him. The kid was screwed. It's a damn shame. We have Godspeed on. Godspeed. Broken neck and puked on. I don't know. You tell me we're rock bottom. Yeah, it was a devastating loss.

Ain't a bang, let's lose. That's too bad. Not a great Sunday. Jeez, we hope everything works out. The guy next to the kid notices for a second and then acts like he didn't see anything. Yeah, doesn't want to have to do his obligation. I don't want to have to fight this puking old white trash lady. Oh my

God, what am I going to do? Can't turn around to see what's going on. He punched her right in the face. Someone did. What is the... Tickets are expensive, right? They're not cheap. Yeah. Or both. She's puked before in public. No question. As somebody who has potentially had to puke in public because maybe it was St. Patrick's Day.

And maybe you drink 30 beers before 11 a.m. And then you're walking around and your stomach's like, hey, we don't handle that many beers. And you've got to puke. You've got to walk as normal as possible as you're puking. Because if you stop and a crowd starts around you, cops coming. And you're getting in trouble immediately. I think that's why that lady did what she did. Yeah, don't make a scene.

Yeah, don't make a scene. Just don't get it on somebody. Draw attention to yourself in your own way, but not in a negative fashion. Or you could sell out and do it like we were talking about that fatso at that NHL game who sat there and just puked all over himself. You know, kind of knew like, hey, I can't be spraying this on people around me, but I'll just puke all over myself. That lady didn't even do the –

No, not even a thought. Like the Billy McComas in the back of Boston Connors' car. Yeah. Remember that happened. Michael Colas in shotgun. Bill actually kept that sweatshirt too. Pukes into the sweatshirt in the middle of the street because Connor drives like a jackass.

Wow. So Bailey's getting car sick. He's a great DJ when he's driving, though. Thank you, Darius. I rode with him out to training camp. Good energy. Yeah, D, but did you puke when we were driving, too, and from training camp? No.

He's driving in Florida, though. Florida, Florida, Florida driving. Florida driving. Bill? Yeah. You puked into your sweatshirt? Yeah. We pulled over on the side of the road, said, all right, take that sweatshirt off, obviously, puke outside.

So he takes the sweatshirt off, pukes outside, picks up the sweatshirt, comes back in. I didn't puke in the sweatshirt. I puked in the shirt inside the sweatshirt. Ditched the Colts shirt. Saw a guy walking the streets probably wearing that exact same shirt the other day. So my shirt was totally fine. You barn animal. And I felt this lady's pain because, you know, you're sitting there fighting the saliva.

You know it's coming. You're like, I can make it. I can make it. You're fighting the demons. I had this, what, a few weeks back. I had had quite an evening. And then I had rough traffic I was driving through. And I got to the office and I was... What?

Hot mouth. I was swallowing. I'm like, what are we doing here? Is this about to kill my... Am I a child? And then I go to the goddamn... And I get a good four or five hacks out. Feel immediately better.

That lady got to watch the end of that game in complete peace. Euphoria. Full euphoria. After she pukes on broken neck person, she feels better than she's ever felt in her entire life. Still got the buzz, too. So it already hit her blood. So she relieved herself.

Probably was able to put more down. All things good for her. Terrible for everybody else around her. Yeah, absolutely. In her head, like we were saying, she's probably thinking, well, this kid's not even watching the game. Guess what? The ball's on a 20-yard line right now. We're sitting at the 50. He can't fucking see what's going on anyway.

She was looking out for him. Exactly. Throwing off helps. Teaches lessons. Bill said he would never eat 27 sliders in a suite again. Bill did try to take advantage of the food that was already paid for. Bill's move, by the way. Yeah, that is kind of Bill's MO.

The real bummer is he had like seven or eight tucked in his sweatshirt pocket and he had to leave those out with the shirt. With the shirt, yeah, because that was inside. The puke got mixed with the sliders. Yeah. We love Bill. Bill, you're awesome. Love you, Bill.

I will never forget Michael Cole going, what the fuck is going on? So mad. Sitting shotgun. The Jets just got killed. Just got absolutely killed. He's a big Jets fan. He's just, what the fuck is going on? So mad. Sitting shotgun. The Jets just got killed. Just got absolutely killed. He's a big Jets fan. He's just, what the fuck is going on?

And then he's seen it. He's been there, done that with everything. He looks out his window, and Bill is taking his clothes off in the middle of downtown Indianapolis. And Mike Lowe's like, what is going? Is this a normal fucking Thursday around? So disgusting. So disgusting.

It was awesome. Well, didn't you guys say he was lapping the nacho cheese out of the bowl like a dog? It was good nacho cheese. It was. Hey, Bill, how good was that nacho and sliders that night? It was great, but you just made me relive. I mean, I grew up

with Michael Cole my entire childhood and the one time I finally meet him, this is how I present myself. And this is how he will remember you. Exactly. He won't forget you. Hey, you remember Bill Cole? He goes, Bill. And I'm like, puke downtown indie guy? Oh, yeah.

How is he? He's a YouTube guy, right, or something like that? I'm like, yeah. He goes, that was one of the most epic nights of all time. Yeah, this is live from the car as Bill McComas is. I'm in the trunk. There's Bill, middle of downtown. Michael Cole sitting shotgun, yelling out the window at him.

And Connor knows that he's the reason for all of this, making as many excuses as possible. I wasn't. Hey, you weren't puking. Foxy wasn't puking. Bill was the only one that puked. And we know that is because he ate about two pounds of food. And that's it.

You did hit your head a couple times in the back, in the trunk, though. Not his fault. Small trunk. Yeah. Bill, it's kind of despicable you made Pat sit in the trunk, really, when I think about it now. No, no, no. I'm the one that said, pull me back here. A lot more space than three wide in that thing. Yeah, you got puked on. The trunk is the play. In hindsight, yeah. Probably the right move.

Thank you. I'm okay with going in the trunk. I'm not going to wear a seatbelt. You should. You should wear a seatbelt. Okay? I think you should. A lot of studies have said that it helps you, it saves you. Now, my personal experience, I know somebody that was a family, I guess friend, family member,

who died because melted fire. Couldn't get it off. Yeah. So that happened to me as a kid. So that maybe has shaped my viewing on the entire seatbelt thing. But if I'm not going to wear it anyways, I'm going to fucking trunk. God, I get full leg space. Sit back every once in a while.

It's very dangerous, and if you have any potholes or a psychopath driver, you're going to hit your head off of that thing. Or if you can rear-end it. Well, see, I don't even think about that. That's the shit I do. Fuck that. Yeah.

I'll go three wide. Where are you, hump or are you on window? I got window. Hump, though, you maybe have more leg space because you can steal it early because people feel bad for you. First one in there, you kind of stake your claim a little bit. And the window, people feel bad because you're sitting on hump. Sure.

So you can almost take advantage of the vulnerability there and just kind of fucking go. The hump gets leg over, right? And then the outer guys get leg under. Whoa. What? So everyone has equal leg room. I don't think I've ever crossed legs. So you're laying on top of them?

I don't think I've ever. No. I don't think I've ever crossed legs. Never heard of that. It saves everybody. Sounds like a good answer. It feels like a nightmare for whoever has their leg underneath the other person. Or big legs.

Either way. That's the cost of getting the window seat. Or anyone but Zito. Zito, nobody's getting in the car and saying, Zito's on the hump anyways. Zito's got a shotgun. Zito's got a shotgun. He's earned it.

Let him go. All right, we're out of here. Hammer is in 10 to 15 minutes. Congrats to all the winners that were announced today. Make sure you open your Cash app and find your winnings here in the next week, I'd assume. It does take a little bit to get all the money through because of how many winners we have. It will make its way there. CFO Phil, Cash app, and Bruce are making their way.

Merch winners from Sunday's merch contest on Twitter and on Instagram have been announced. The cash winners have been announced. And the people that predicted the accurate score of the Dolphins and Patriots game on Sunday. We'll continue to do more giveaways. We have a big one coming tomorrow night. We'll have a big merch giveaway on my Twitter account

and on Instagram. I believe Connor is piecing that one together. So let's go ahead and thank Connor. Let's go ahead and put a good one together. You got it, Connor. Still a few more bets that need to be released, but we'll have it ready for tomorrow. So there'll be a massive merch giveaway

and cash giveaway tomorrow to celebrate Thursday Night Football's new era on Amazon Prime, and also to promote the hell out of what FanDuel's got. They got so many bets, so many ways to win. If you're in a state that doesn't have it, we feel bad, so we do these giveaways so you can participate

and showcase how big your fucking brain is. Can't wait for you guys to join us on that tomorrow. And we'll see you in about 20 hours and 18 minutes or so, AJ. Yeah, we will. Can't wait, man. Big, big game tomorrow night. You excited? Yeah, huge game.

And I think Chuck McGowan is going to be here. Good show tomorrow. Oh, in person. In person, yeah. Let us know. Yes, I can't wait. It should be great. We're thankful.

Everything DB today was awesome. Thank you. In the Thunderdome, it's going to be even better. I believe we're moving into next week. We shall see. Hammer. Die. In 12 minutes.

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