The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 744 - Everything DB With Darius Butler In The ThunderDome, Rod Woodson, Todd Haley, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the news around the NFL as we approach week 3 of the NFL season including Nathaniel Hackett's comments about not giving up play calling duties, Jerry Jones' comments about Dak's injury status, Mike Evans' one game suspension being upheld as he'll miss this weekend's game against the Packers, and much more. Joining the progrum is Hall of Famer, Super Bowl Champion, 1993 Defensive Player of the Year, 9x All-Pro, 11x Pro Bowler, and Head Coach of the new XFL Las Vegas franchise, Rod Woodson to chat about his career, when he decided to go into coaching, the adjustments he had to make from being a player, who the toughest QB's he played against were, his Football Life premiering this week on the NFL Network, coaching in the XFL, and more (1:13:52-1:35:11). Later, former Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, current Head Coach of the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL, Todd Haley joins the progrum to chat about tomorrow night's Thursday Night Football game between the Steelers and Browns having served as a coach for both teams, his thoughts on the rookie Head Coaches in the NFL, how difficult it is being a first time Head Coach, his thoughts on Baker Mayfield in Carolina, and more (2:00:23-2:20:43). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey! What? Let's go! This show fucking stinks. And the fact that you listen, we are bears right now. AJ, never cease to amaze me with your toxicity power. You got a couple of these? God damn it!

What the fuck are you doing? Fuck Boston, cunt! Shut the fuck up! Hello beautiful people! It is Winter Wednesday, September 21st, 2022. Now we go! Football is all the way here. It is a beautiful day. Brand new intro.

We'll have to find the rhythm of that to start each and every single sports stooge, dumbass sports show live. From the Vandal Thunderdome here for our third straight day. Only been out of the last office for three days. Landlord says we need to get that stuff out of there by tomorrow. It is a wild world when you have a little bit of change. It is a wild world when you have a little bit of change. It is a wild world whenever you have to deal with new technology. It is a wild world when you have partnerships with people like the NFL Films

and now Game Day and Omaha and everything we have popping off, but we are so incredibly fortunate to be able to do this every day, and we thank you so much for watching us. Joining me on this stage here in the FanDuel Thunderdome, the Toxic Table at Ty Schmidt and at Boston Connor. i see we haven't got the feet things figured out but you boys look fantastic connor oh thank you pat you look fantastic too we haven't got the feet

things you know figured out but i do have be here now by rom doss of course that aaron recommended last year underneath the uh little cardboard box situation we have. So it's going fine. I think it gets the job done, perhaps. I think there's, yeah, so Connor's got three books there stacked on a cardboard box that was just laying around. And there's going to be quite a, did you call him a scholar? At Gary J. Butler, who's joining us. Yeah, because not only is that a genius move, because this was a problem that we didn't know we were going to have

until we sat down on these chairs. And Boston Connor figured it out quickly, but that's because there is a lot of cardboard boxes around places. We've got wooden boxes in places. The whole moving process is quite a pain in the ass at Tyshmith. That's what I feel like I'm learning here. And I don't know if I'll ever build something ever again or move ever again. Oh yeah.

I mean, everyone knows how much moving, like, whether it's moving from a new apartment to a new apartment, like, that sucks. By about 100 with how much shit we had to move into this place, and yeah, it's, I mean, it's one of those things where it's awesome to be here, but we're going to be moving in for probably the next two years.

Yeah, I would, so, like, I'd fall to make the decision to move here. Had, you know, a lot of people live in this area, commute downtown, not fun. Do it anymore. Thanks for the downtown boys who now have to travel out here. Also, downtown, what downtown has become is not fantastic right now. It's too many votes. It'll all get figured out.

Like, it felt like it was right to do this. I completely lost it. Like, lost in my, oh, this is going to be and it is it is it will be and it is there is certainly lost and that was all the bullshit all the fuckery sure and there's been a lot of incredible people that have worked here and we're very thankful for all of them i mean but there's been some shit that you can never imagine to have we almost weren't able to go live today to record the show today very close third day here third day here obviously got to get our shit out of the downtown office by tomorrow right okay i understand paid through january but i was gonna say i didn't i have to get out

excuse me we were wondering did you have to pay a fee to get out yeah yeah did that yeah did the whole thing i mean that's the way this business is done the way business has been done i guess that's just how it all goes and i completely respect and appreciate it uh that you guys have been able to do that to people for so long. I'm very happy that I'm getting out of the business and will never be in that business ever again, having to deal with that. But that is what's coming with this entire thing is a process of figuring stuff out. Third day here, almost weren't able to go live. First day, obviously, had the audio issues that none of us knew about. Yesterday felt pretty good.

Showed pretty well. There was a couple audio things, I guess guess that happened because we were sent a box from a company that we paid a lot of money to untested so the first time it was really being used was last couple days so it doesn't matter how many stress tests you did probably weren't going to be able to figure it all out and then today yeah right before we went live weren't able to record anything had to do something for nfl films did three times thought we recorded it didn't record any of it had to fix it it. Now we're live. Fucking A. Thank you to everybody

who made it. Here we go. Figured it out. It is not a fun morning over here yet, but immediately after the shows, it's always awesome. It is.

As soon as the show ends, it's awesome over here. And I think if that is what life is going to become, it's going to be great. If not, I'm going to look back on this decision that I made. Okay?

This is 100% on me that I made. I'm going to go, probably should have waited maybe a year to let that thing figure itself out, have other shows that aren't live, just be fake shows, go test for like six months, right, you know, just nobody will see these, just kind of speak into the microphone for a few hours, I think that's the only way to really get it done, so anybody else that is building a studio, that is my advice, sure, take it or leave it,

take it or leave it, Take it or leave it. It sounds like it's ridiculous, but I feel like that's really the only way to go about doing it. But I am thankful to be here. I'm excited to be here. And we mentioned him earlier because he dropped a great line about how smart Connor and Ty do look, which we do have to get fixed.

We'll do something different than cardboard boxes, hopefully. At Darius J. Baller. Happy to be here, man. It sounds like y'all have been going through a lot of shit, and sorry about it. But I flew in. I fly in for my couple days, and this place is fucking awesome. It is dope, man.

I'm glad you made the decision to move in. I'm happy you like it. You have the coolest sunglasses of all time on your face. Bright in here. It is? Well, it is bright in here. It wasn't day one, though. We've had to do some light configuration, which also changes the white balance on every camera uh which there's 20 some of them in here so then that's a

whole thing in the back end uh that i'm learning about and percentages of this it is you know it is interesting the lights are coming together they are a lot of hard work been done on the lights and i don't think people can really respect it till you're in the middle of it the lights are bright but i don't think there will ever be a time to take those sunglasses off you look so cool right now i hope you know that i appreciate that i had to throw them on ray bannon got me they got me for the price but i think it worked conversation happening about shanahan's offense hurting people did you hear that happening this morning no uh hurting quarterbacks or something like that because jimmy got hurt numerous times. Trey now got hurt. So the question is just. Was that RG3?

Was he his coach? I think Shanahan was his coach there. Matt Ryan was able to go through the offense, though, right? Yeah. And then Kellen Morris' offense, I guess, gets quarterbacks hurt, too, because Dak got hurt twice now as well. So what's that about? Huh.

It is something that people are asking, though. Yeah. It's a weird question. It's ridiculous Bro, sports media, what are you talking about? We're not even getting into it We are not getting into it Good

Why do we got to do that? Why do we got to just make up the most absurd questions To start conversations about burying people? You know? It's like a what if to bury somebody Yeah, beat around the bush. It's fun? Yeah, it's fun.

Why not? Gets the people going. Just joking. It gets the people going. I mean, I understand that type of shit in, like, March or April. Yeah. But it's like, this is game week. This is week three.

We got Thursday Night Football tomorrow. Yeah, we have shit to talk about. There is Pittsburgh Steelers-Cleveland Browns tomorrow night Thursday Night Football to talk about. Yeah, we have shit to talk about. There is Pittsburgh Steelers-Cleveland Browns tomorrow night, Thursday Night Football on Amazon. Remember, last Thursday, Amazon sports head Jay Marine came out and told the Amazon folks that it was the most sign-ups for Amazon in Amazon's history in a single day, the NFL game between the Chargers and the Chiefs. Great game. The NFL blessed Amazon with a great game for the first Thursday Night Football.

And Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreit are two voices that are very known in the football world. I guess there are some people saying some stuff about not having Al on a Sunday, having him on a Thursday. And maybe Herbie. Oh, we're used to him in college. We're not used to him in the NFL. They're fucking both great at what they do. By week four

this is just going to be a new thing. It's just going to be understood. Like, hey, Herbie's an NFL and a college guy. That guy's a color commentator right there. Knows football. And it's a huge game. Steelers-Browns is a rivalry game. That's a big-time game.

And right now both teams are trying to figure out what the fuck they are. Cleveland-Browns called a players-only meeting yesterday. After the Jets, on Bronny the Elf's face, had the first 13-point or more deficit past two minutes left in the game come back win in 2,332 games that were similar to that. Long time. Whoa.

The bronze players, Jacoby Bursette and the boys, called a players-only meeting to break it down. What are they talking about two weeks into the game where they win the first game by a 58-yard field goal against Carolina Panthers, and then the next game they give up a terrible loss and they could have won it three different times under the two minutes with Chubb and Hunt there what are they saying in team meeting and is this the earliest players only meeting you've ever heard in your life D-Buck? I mean this is early early this is training camp still happening right now yeah one and one uh

the the meltdown was was was terrible obviously you know chubb he should you know could have went down should have went down i don't know if you guys remember but i definitely remember when he went down in a long touchdown run against the texans a couple years ago so he has the iq but he said he thought the game was over he go down the game's over but on defense i mean the blowing we'll get into it on everything to be later but the blown coverages were just i mean mean, you can't have that, especially in that situation. So that was.

What does that mean? You just kind of end the game, you get lackluster, kind of get relaxed? I mean, I don't know how you get, you know, that's when it counts the most. Obviously, it's too many. You know they have to throw the ball down the field. They're not handing the ball off the run. So you know a pass is coming. So everyone should be showing up, preaching that communication.

It was veterans back there, too. It's not like it's rookies so um you can't you can't have it so that's probably what the team team meet was about the players only meeting that's when everybody you know we just have the the man-to-man talks and then uh we go forward but they got the guys in that room to figure it out and win games if it works and jacoby by the way was the one calling players only meetings in ind Indianapolis whenever he was backing up Andrew Luck, if you do recall. Jacoby was, like, very much leader of the clubhouse when Andrew Luck was the quarterback, I think is what we heard. Were you on that team?

I don't know. I was with Jacoby, yeah. Matter of fact, the year he started, yeah. I heard he's just, like, leader. Great, great, great teammate, yeah. Every coach, you know, he's really like a Parcells guy. So he's, like, you know, just a tough guy. Hard-nosed. Yeah, every coach, you know, he's really like a Parcells. He's like Parcells' guy. So he's like, you know, just a tough guy. Heart knows.

Yeah, great leader, like no bullshit. You know, so he calls it like it is. Good with the defensive guys, offensive guys, special teams. So he's a guy you definitely want leading the guys out there. And I'm sure the meeting went well, but they got to figure it out. Well, they got to. That was, man, that was. That's why he's got to. You're in the Jets? No, no, no. Hey, they got to. That was, man. I guess that was. I guess so. You're going to bury the Jets?

No, no, no. Hey, they're flying around. They got players out there. Flacco's leading them. Wilson looks good, but you can't get that up. Punter, AFC's best team's player of the week. That's right. Garrett Wilson.

No big deal. Slinging the rock around, kicking onside kicks, doing it all. I mean, let's go. They got a team, D, but what are you saying? Can't do that against the Jets. They got a squad. Hey, I stopped myself because I know their head coach is keeping receipts. So I don't want to end up on the montage.

No, it's not just the head coach. Future owners of the Jets are keeping receipts as well. Future owner? An impassioned video from the future owner of the New York Jets this past weekend after the New York Jets get a big-time win right on Bronny the Elf's face. Receipts, motherfucker! Fucking receipts! Oh, hell yeah.

You all right? What is your problem? That was awesome. That's all about D-Bud. Oh, shit. What is your problem? He's talking to you. You want that back one more time?

Yeah, he's talking to you. You picked the bronze, didn't you? He picked the bronze over the Jets. And Gary Vee said, Mo Salah's not the only guy keeping receipts. Your future owner is as well. And then Gary Vee went on to say this. Receipts, motherfucker. Fucking receipts.

Hell yeah. Hey, man. You got to love passionate fans, man. That was a big win, though. His future owner. Are you kidding me? He's not a fan. Yeah, it's Gary Vee. Lifetime Jets fan right win, though. He's a future owner. Are you kidding me? He's not a fan. Yeah, it's Gary Vee.

Lifetime Jets fan right there. Absolutely. He's been through it, hasn't he? Oh, yeah. And he said this little spark of greatness that happened in the final two minutes that has never happened before in 2,331 other games like this one. Long time. That's going to change it all.

Connor, are you scared of the Jets and the AFC East? Dude, obviously the Bills is the Bills. And we're talking about the Browns. And maybe the Browns players are also saying, we can't do that against the Jets, which, once again, shot at the Jets. But I guess the Jets are used to getting shot at like this. Are you worried about this team coming up? No, I'm not worried at all because I know that Flacco's clock is ticking.

I know at some point Zach Wilson's going to come back. And once Zach Wilson comes back, let's see how long it takes him to kind of integrate himself with the team. Or do we have a QB controversy on our hands? I'm feeling that with the Browns too. Watson comes back, feels like Jacoby's going to get that team to 10-2. Flacco, who knows? He might go undefeated for the rest of the year.

But if Zach Wilson comes back in two weeks, are you going to pull footsteps Flacco when he's leading you when you're down by 13 i mean i don't know cleveland yeah pulling jacoby if they're winning games and he's calling players only meetings and you're paying a guy 230 million guaranteed on the flip side what do you do yeah you put deshaun in the game of course zach Zach Wilson in the game because you spent the second overall pick on him. But that's why I'm not wearing it. So he doesn't think for the Jets. Why?

Because he wasn't there. I mean, you obviously invested a high pick in him. But if Flacco's got these guys rolling, I mean. They did it last year with Mike White, remember? Yeah. Wasn't Zach watching Mike White last year? He was. That was a big part of it.

He actually said, I felt like I had a lot of growth from watching somebody else have success in the offense that I'm supposed to have or something like that. The flair came down to the sideline because, you know, Zach Wilson wanted him up in the booth, right? Or vice versa either way with Mike White. But Flacco, you know, he wasn't spinning around his mom's friends like Zach Wilson was. So I don't know why we're even talking about that. That's a good point, you know. I mean, Zach Wilson might, so I don't know why we're even talking about it. That's a good point, you know. I mean, Zach Wilson might stink, too.

Absolutely. No, you're saying he might stink. He might stink. No, I saw him in his pro day. He was rolling to his left. Yeah. And then he threw a ball back right hash, right hash. Sweet.

65 yards. Yeah. Touchdown. Beautiful. I'd never heard of the guy. Right? We had never. I wasn't in the college football landscape at that point.

We weren't paying attention to college football as much. That pro day was really my first introduction to the guy. And I tried to learn as much as possible. And then I remember the draft day pick. And then what do we learn? He's struggling a little bit. Yeah. And then he's having sex with all his mom's friends.

Yeah. And then comes back. I don't even know anything about the guy. But it does appear as if he might not be a good nfl football player i mean because in college you i watched some of his college tape and uh because i did the draft that year with pff so i was you know wanting to be oh yeah i was more prepared and everybody was just slobbing over him so i'm like all right let me watch the kid and i mean every pocket he threw from was, you know, you were the closest pass rusher. So he was, oh my God. Oh yeah, BYU.

They had 40-year-olds. Yeah. Walking forward. Big guys. Veteran group. Yeah. And in the NFL, you're not throwing from many clean pockets. It's almost always a dirty pocket or something going on.

You got to read movement and coverages. So I haven't seen that much from them. They obviously see them a lot more than we do. And then you think about that team. Like, it's a young core that they're depending on. You know, the young running backs, Sauls, those guys are young. Garrett Wilson, like everybody's young. So, if you got old man Flacco and they're kind of leading that charge

and they're winning, you might ride with that. I don't know. No QB controversy in New York, potentially. Flacco might be a part of our NFL film special this week. Footsteps. Really? This is cool. I mean. Where did he get that name from?

Well, he called him that one day, and he acted like we all knew. That was the problem. He said, well, when Footsteps did this, blah, blah, blah, and he was, like, selling it, and we're like, who's Footsteps? He goes, Joey Footsteps Flacco. Guys. What are we talking about? Never heard it before.

But then you start watching, the big draft can glide a little bit. He can move a little bit. He can move a little bit. Oh, yeah. And he throws the ball far. And in this NFL film thing, we got to see some clips. He looks like cool. Yeah.

Like very much, this young group, like relating very well, getting along very well. And there's a lot of like, it seems like he is very much well endeared to this group of young guys too.

And it's to get the behind the scenes footage of it. And then to talk about what you're talking about and then for it to pay off for him, right? Like it pays off in Cleveland. So they can buy in. Everybody can buy in even more. It's that type of thing that really can get you going,

but you're still in the bills. Yeah. The dolphins are tough. Dolphins are coming along. Don't want to bury the jets. Did not expect to talk about the Jets at all today. But the Browns losing to the Jets in that fashion lead us to that conversation.

Because are we judging the Jets when we act as if the Browns are dead from losing that game? Or maybe are the Jets different? It's hard not to just say Browns are in full chaos because of what took place. But maybe the Jets is different. Maybe the Jets is different. It feels like the Browns lost that game more than the Jets won it.

And obviously they made unbelievable plays. But, you know, you're up 30-17 with a minute 50 left. You said there's been 4,000 games. No, 2,331 games before Sunday's game. I saw that stat and I said, well, who counted? Alarming. Who did all that? That's amazing whoever found that.

That's a lot of fucking games. I mean, 2,331 games for it to be the first in that amount of time. It's like, okay, yeah, so normally if a team has no timeouts, two minutes left, they're down 13 and they don't have the ball. They're going to lose the game. And somehow the

Browns rate on Brownie the Elf's face. First week, Brownie the Elf's out there. Might be a curse. Got an onside kick. Was that the first one of the season? Recovered? I think so. Hey, you know, that's Brant Boyer over there. Brant Boyer, special teams coordinator over there. Brayden Mann, very talented guy.

Brayden Mann, I think a lot of people were wondering what the fuck because he punted like a 14-yard punt the week before. The ball got dropped inside and he did that. Which can happen on any punt. You just hope it doesn't. Nightmare came true for old Braydenyard punt the week before. Right. And he dropped inside and he did that, which can happen on any punt. You just hope it doesn't. Nightmare came true for old Braden Mann in the middle of a game. But he was drafted high because he could bomb balls. He's very athletic.

I think he's like a very athletic. Not everybody can like fake going one way, accurately hit the ball back the other way, right at 10 yards. You know, like that's a fucking perfect ball. Like that's not an easy thing to do now granted when you're down six with a little time left yeah like that's like a no look pass basically yeah i mean it was that's a great ball and you also can't like you as somebody who you know is pretty proficient at onside kicks like you can't second guess at all because you're

kicking like he's kicking very thin on this ball because the ball is laying fucking sideways so if he hits that a little too thin that thing potentially goes one yard right down there and doesn't go anywhere so it's like you gotta have a lot of confidence you gotta fucking just go it's almost like you just gotta go for it and hope that it works out for you so i got a lot of respect for this dude and thing but yeah brandt put that together so you give up an onside kick which they say are impossible to get nowadays two percent or something yeah first time in 2332 like situations you lose maybe it does call for a fucking players only meeting hey hey listen what is going on we we should not be doing that and then they got the pittsburgh steelers coming into town and the

pittsburgh steelers they're going through their own shit let's not pittsburgh steelers are going through their own shit i don't know if they're calling players only meetings but there's already backup quarterback chants happening throughout the stadium named Accresher now, not Heinz Field. I'm excited to see what happens tomorrow. It could be a great game. It could be a shit show. I don't think any of us know, including the fan bases as well.

Yeah, I would imagine it's going to be very low scoring if I had to guess, but you mentioned players only meeting. Not only that, they got fans throwing beer bottles trying to take Jimmy Haslam's head off. He did. He pointed right at him and said, you know, throwing beer bottles, trying to take Jimmy Haslam's head off, you know, walking down there. He did. He pointed right at him and said, get that son of a bitch out of here right now.

Bam. Speedball. Hey, that's funny. You can throw a beer at literally anybody here. Except for who? Oh, the guy that actually owns the fucking building. Remember they had Baker saying that this was his house? It's not.

I shipped him out here. This is my fucking house. You don't throw a beer at me, pal. Ban him for life. Get him out. See ya. One less member of the Dog Pound. Sounds like a drunk one. Probably a beer at me, pal. Ban him for life. Get him out. See ya. One less member of the Dog Pound. Sounds like a drunk one.

Probably a pretty good fan, if I had to guess. Yeah, definitely. He whipped that fucking beer bottle, too. He threw that thing pretty hard. If he would have hit him in the head, he might have killed Jimmy Haslam. Maybe he should get that guy to play QB. Ew! Suck it, Haslam. Nick Marotto, Pittsburgh Steelers fan.

Says Jimmy couldn't recognize Talent Armed talent If it hit him right in the fucking face Is that what you're saying Nick? That's exactly what I'm saying Jacoby Brissett's a guy Yeah

Jacoby Brissett's rallying the boys Marty Cooper scored a touchdown He started getting used Here we go Maybe the team's gonna be great Maybe the Browns are gonna figure it out Yeah except Like you said

You know the Steelers are going through their own thing The Browns are going through their own thing And the Browns are going through their own thing, and the Browns stuff, it feels like we haven't mentioned Stefanski, who's an Ivy League guy who should know situational football better than anyone, and that's why it feels like the Steelers are in a much better spot because Mike Tomlin's a fucking dog,

and you know that he's going to have his team ready. It feels like Stefanski's just out there willy-nilly calling plays and not even calling team meetings on his own maybe. Why is Jacoby doing it? Oh, you think Jacoby's like, hey, somebody needs to stay? Yeah. So Jacoby sat maybe.

Whoa, this is quite an assumption. We would like to get that out right now. Disclaimer. But we just want to figure out why a players-only meeting is happening in week two. That's what this whole conversation's about. Yes. Gave up an onside kick. First time in 2,332 attempts something happened, so maybe it is called.

Or maybe Jacoby sat in a meeting, heard Stavansky, and was like, that ain't enough. There has to be some. Players only meeting later, okay? Please, Kevin. Hey, we can't fucking have it. I don't know. Kevin's saying everything's okay, kumbaya.

Like it ain't. Like maybe that is. Maybe that is what happened. I mean, honestly, there's a chance that that took place, but then that would be Jacoby trying to undercut the head coach. And I don't think that's going to take place. I don't think that's happening either. Does he care?

Because he knows that, you know, hey, I'm just a placeholder. Does Jacoby care? He said he's a Bill Parcells guy. He's on a fucking team. He's a starting quarterback. What are you talking about? Does he care undercutting Stefanski if Stefanski's doing a bad job having all the guys ready? Like, hey, look, look you know they're one and one but they squeeze by

the Panthers we can't act like the Panthers are world beaters and then they lose to the Jets at home so it's just like what are we talking about here is Jacoby actually thinking yes Stefanski as you know smart of a guy is and he's got the $230 million quarterback. Maybe he thought this was going to be easy and that everything's okay, but we barely beat the Panthers in Baker Mayfield, and we just lost to the Jets. Somebody's got to say something. Yeah, I would assume that maybe that could happen. It just, I don't know.

Maybe guys showed up late. Maybe last week when they lost it, maybe the first two weeks, and you don't really point things out until a loss happens you're like hey this happened this happened then we give up fucking 14 in the final minute 50 with the other team having no timeouts you know like maybe it was one of those like hey a lot of this has been happening either in the locker room or this and they're trying to tighten it up but that doesn't make sense because this year this team was supposed to go right baker was the problem yeah now the team's supposed to go, right? Baker was the problem.

Yeah. Now the team's supposed to go there. They got a great defense. Yeah. They're built to go. And, like I said, Jacoby's not afraid to have that tough, you know, hey, defense can't fucking happen. Nick, go fucking down.

Like, whatever needs to be said, he'll say it. Setting a bunch of meetings with Bill Belichick, you know, obviously Brady's teammate. Chuck, setting some Chuck meetings. So he's been around the block. I saw Robert Kraft a few years ago. He literally went out his way to come up and be like, hey, this is me and Jacoby, we're teammates. Jacoby, man, really missed that guy.

So, like, he's a guy who you want in that locker room. So it's going to be interesting. I hope the Colts have a fucking team meeting. I was thinking about that. Literally, as I'm doing what Jacoby said about what the coach said, everything's fine, I was thinking in my head, how come Ryan Kelly and Quentin Nelson?

No, Matt Ryan brand-new to the squad, right? True. And Matt Ryan, I guess he has been demanding and everything like that in practices and meetings and everything like that, so maybe he would be a guy that would call for the team meeting. But like Ryan Kelly, Quentin Nelson, Darius Shaquille Leonard, DeForest Buckner, like guys that have basically been the pillars of that team for the last three years, four years, like it's almost like they've been in the Frank Reich system the entire time.

So it's hard to do that. You're undercutting the coach's message, I think, if you do that. Well, and that might be what Jacoby was like. Hey, I'm calling a meeting right now. I've seen the kumbaya, everything okay is right, you know, dipshit. I played for Frank Reich. Like, I know what that's like, okay? Stefanski, this can't happen.

You think Frank Reich got buried in this Cleveland Browns players only meeting? Potentially, but also with the Colts, isn't it like, I mean, obviously everyone respects Matt Ryan. He's been around a lot. But, like, a guy like that can't call a team meeting, not only because he's just been there, but, like, if he calls a team meeting, wouldn't someone just be like, you threw three picks on Sunday.

You played like shit. Like, what do you mean we need to play better? Like, you're a massive part of the reason we lost. Yeah, if you're going to talk, you have to be a guy. Yeah. That's always been a thing. There are some people in these players only meetings, and Dariusler did not allude to that whenever he said you know these guys have man-to-man conversations and they deal with it they move on i guess that does happen

you know that does happen usually starts that way there are moments of that yeah and then there becomes oh i got something i gotta get off my chest a lot of people oh it is awesome not always but every once in a while with different locker rooms, depending upon who's in there. Yeah. You know, somebody will feel the need to get something off their chest. A poem they wrote. No, no, that's just at the beginning. No poems in these things.

It's just like, obviously this person came from the hardest place on earth. He's had the toughest life of all time. He's working hard. We are not working hard as him. He is tougher, smarter, better than everybody. And everybody in the back of their heads is going like, okay, like the guys who spoke at the beginning of this thing could definitely say that. You fucking suck. 50% sky on the road.

Yeah, you are a part of the problem. But I appreciate you saying something. And then another person will come up because that person now feels like they were tried by this person because they were said that they were from a tougher place than this person so now this person comes up and here we go all right reaction oh it's a full check like you know and now it's in it i've been in two of those and i think i've been in like six or seven players only two of them though became okay here we i'm learning a lot about a lot of guys here and i'm just sitting there you know and it's uh it's a full thing by the end of it you know i feel like we're a better team we've learned a lot about each other but also i think the original message at the very

beginning was forgotten because of the whole everything that ended you know kind of and for players only meetings i think a good thing to understand too we don't have a lot of those conversations with the other side of those conversations with the other side of the ball with the other unit so like we had the mock team meeting with chuck and we had those on wednesdays um you know it's not much talking with players you know it's coaches playing out the game playing blah blah blah and then we separate we go in our unit meeting so the conversations that we have obviously you had the most conversation with your meeting room which is secondary and then with your defensive unit but you don't really all come together and say, hey, this is –

hey, look, I'm going to own my shit. We need to do this better. We may need to say – if Miles Garrett spoke first or second, he'd say, hey, this is the defense. This is what we got to fucking do better. And then we go to the office, we go to the special teams, we go around. But like you said, it does get to a point where it's like, all right, we should put a shot clock on it, like five, ten minutes,

and then we get out of here. All right. Listen, I don't play on that side of the ball, but I saw the way you played. Let's not worry about talking. Maybe let's worry about a little bit more working. But the people that do talk and do cut through, because I think there is messages that cut through in players-only meetings, are the guys that have been – it's always the proven guy who's not going to fuck.

It's the five-star representation, basically, of each group. Vinny would go up and talk every once in a while. Reggie would go up and talk, obviously, on the defense, depending upon who was the OG at the time or who was having the best season at the time, I think, too. They would go speak almost as a representative for the defense, address the defense, and then talk to the offense, and then talk about the team as a whole. Then it would kind of happen for the defense. Address the defense and then talk to the offense and then talk about the team as a whole.

Then it would kind of happen for each phase. And I think there was some actual good that came from it because I think a lot of people, maybe from a different phase, holding something against somebody on the other side or thinking something about the way they're operating on the other side. It kind of clears the air. I think anytime you have uncomfortable conversations, you can kind of clear the air a little bit on how you feel, on the other side. It kind of clears the air. I think anytime you have uncomfortable conversations, you can kind of clear the air a little bit on how you feel,

how the other person feels. Okay, let's get by it. But if it's a week two players only meeting, I hope there wasn't a fool. Right, let's get ahead of them. Because a lot of those guys this week have no idea how their season's going to go. Right. I mean, like, obviously the great players think they're going to have great seasons, but I think a lot of the great players have great seasons because they're scared to death they're not going to have. Obviously, the great players think they're going to have great seasons, but I think a lot of the great players have great seasons

because they're scared to death they're not going to have great seasons. They work their asses off there. Week two, getting up there and speaking, when you could go into the biggest set of the Yips next week is an awesome move. I love it. I can't wait to hear who spoke, how they spoke, and how they come out against the Pittsburgh Steelers

tomorrow night. That's a big deal. We will see. Let's bounce around the NFL a little bit. There is some more problems in head coaching worlds. They're telling Nathaniel Hackett, hey, you big, dumb dipshit, we don't need you calling plays or being head coaching. That's pretty much what is being alluded to. We do not know this because we do not live in Detroit or in Denver and listen to the Let's Ride locals, although we do have a belt buckle.

Let's Ride. Let's Ride. Let's Ride. It's an honor. Five of these. One of five. Thank you. Hey, let's fucking ride.

In the Broncos country saying, hey, let's ride into a conversation about whether or not this brand-new head coach and brand-new play caller should be doing both of these duties at the same time when it appears as if he may be in over his head um i think i just need to be sure i can clean up exactly what i'm hearing where i'm going with it and make sure i'm on the same page for russ he said adding it should make the offense more efficient uh referring to his delay of game penalties on the field goals the coach reiterated during monday's presser that they happened because he was debating whether to go for it on fourth or kick.

No shit. Yeah, we know Nate. I need to do better at making decisions faster and quicker and getting that information to the quarterback and being on the same page with him. He said, it has to improve. I respect that little accountability there. That's an understatement, says milehighreport.com.

Hackett also likely got the message that Broncos country is not feeling very confident about his ability to call plays and manage the game as half a dozen questions related to whether he's planning any changes when it comes to play calling duties. I think I'll continue to play calling. I think it's been pretty efficient up to this point.

We've done a good job moving the ball. We've had a good plan from that standpoint. We just have to finish those drives, he said. I think from plan from that standpoint. We just have to finish those drives, he said. I think from the game management standpoint, we just have to tighten that whole thing up, a lot of us. We're all working together for the first time. So we just want to be sure we're more efficient in that and have the ability to make better decisions and quicker decisions.

Once again, that was from milehighreport.com. D-Butt said this last week. He said, this guy's talking too much. Because remember whenever he said for the field goal, he said the line was the 46. We got to the 46. I had to play him the whole thing. And I said, I like the fact that he was kind of explaining why he was doing what he was doing, how he was doing what he was doing and everything like that.

Kind of hopefully letting the new fans of him that don't know a lot about him, like, hey, I'm not a dipshit. This is what I'm doing. Now I think he's saying too much. Hey, listen, we don't need to hear that. You got to tighten shit up. this is what i'm doing now i think he's saying too much hey listen we don't need to hear that you got to tighten shit up you broncos country does not want to hear like yeah i i gotta be quicker and i gotta do that they know like that is what they are saying they want to know that there was a reason a glitch a tech glitch maybe we had this other person in there tell them something

that isn't the person that's going to continue to do the decision making wasn't the one making the fuck ups publicly or give another answer so i think nathaniel hackett said too much in this particular case although i enjoyed with the old 46 charter at the end of this you know i don't have i don't necessarily say he's saying too much but what his first two words of that i think like bro it's week three then like it's not time to think it's time to fucking do it like i don't want to hear what you think about the game plan or i think we should have done it no what do you do like you're the the unquestioned leader of the team so if you're thinking if you're second guessing yourself after every fucking game you're talking to the media like what type of respect what type of belief do we have in you in the locker room because you're out of this this ain't college it's a hospital you're telling me

we need to see your confidence bro yeah so it's like not I think or I think I should. Yeah, I think I'm going to keep calling plays. Because ideally, if you hire an offensive head coach, you want that guy calling plays. Because what happens is, let's say, you know, somebody, those guys stay. Like you keep an offensive, like Andy Reid, and like he's going to be there forever. Eric Bainaby can go, but Andy Reid will be there with Patrick Mahomes. So if you gave all this money, you made this commitment russell wilson you want that play call to stay in place

you don't want that going to somebody else and he go gets hired and be a head coach after a year calling good plays so stop thinking buddy just do be better and you know people gonna make mistakes it's the first two games it's a lot of moving parts but it's the big boy league man you see what mike mcdaniel's doing down there in miami this is first time calling plays too he got a bunch of fucking new personnel. He got a left-handed quarterback, and they dialing up. Like, stop thinking, man. Yeah, and fourth and seven, he's going for it,

and it's hitting with Waddle early, and the whole everybody in there seems to be bought in on him. Not that Denver doesn't seem to be bought in on Nathaniel Hackett. They don't look bought in. We're not saying, well, okay. I don't blame them. Darius is saying they're not bought in, but we are saying, like, if you don't perform,

and you're a head coach for that Denver team who now has the richest owner in sports. By a lot. By a lot. Long shot. With the cash over cap situation loophole in the salary cap, and a quarterback that wants to be top five quarterback of all time, and we think people like him.

Some people like him. Some people fucking hate him. Okay, all right. We're okay with him. So there seems to be, you know, moon and sun. They polarize him. Yeah, whatever the case, he's going to have to be successful there, and it's going to have to be quick.

And I know that is not something that is fair. It probably sounds like it's unfair, especially for a guy who's worked his ass off to get a first head coaching gig. But he knows he's going to have to figure it be quick. And I know that is not something that is fair. It probably sounds like it's unfair, especially for a guy who's worked his ass off to get a first head coaching gig, but he knows he's going to have to figure it out quick. And Darius's point, like a little confidence, probably a good idea too, to at least display it. Because as soon as people think you're beat or they think that you think that you're not in, you're not doing a good job or in over your head, everybody can sense it. It's a very easy thing. It is literally why whenever i tell people on this show like they ask me for any advice i'm like just say your words in the microphone my only advice just say your words in the microphone because if you sound like

i'm not confident of your words as soon as anybody hears it they're like oh well we're not gonna fucking listen to that guys why would i listen to that person that's scared to say the words that they're about to say there's no reason for that so i think that projection is a vital or even if you move and make a different fucking business to say hey we're going to do this different guys we're going to go live at a different time hey we're moving the fucking thunderdome early fuck it hey we're gonna ride we're gonna figure it out it's actually two weeks late whatever you know you're gonna move and you're gonna figure it out but don't come back get on the mic and say hey we moved in here

you know what fuck i love it like we ride we ride got. Whatever he does, we're right behind him. Hopefully they figure it out. Everybody seems to like Nathaniel Hackett. We assume that he'll be able to figure it out, but he's going to have to do a quick. Well, I think you made the important distinction, too. This isn't Dan Campbell when he first got the Lions job where everyone kind of knew, like, hey, this is a rebuild. He's going to get some time.

The expectations were, hey, this team could win the Super Bowl this year. They just gave Russell Wilson $265 million. You have that roster surrounding him. People were expecting them to really come. For good reason. Absolutely, absolutely. And Hasselbeck said it earlier this week. He mentioned, we're moving the ball great.

What you do in the red zone is what matters. Especially going back to Green Bay. In the COVID year, they had the best red zone offense ever, the gold zone. You know, he was like the brainiac. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, yeah, you can move the ball, but you spend $265 million on a quarterback. You have all these weapons.

You can't be scoring fucking 16 points a game, and you can't get down to situations where you make a field goal with McManus and you have a delay a game, and then instead of, you you know you let him try to kick a 64 yarder last week granted it's to win the game but then now you have a 55 yarder and you punt instead it's like it just it does look like he's over his head a little bit it's the men's league absolutely we don't have time like high school everybody gets an opportunity you know that's what they say or in junior high little league like hey make sure everybody gets good four minutes on the court or on the field like we need that everybody we don't know who's going to be great we want everybody to kind of figure it out at the top level people are

expecting you to be good right now yeah and if you're not it's going to be pointed out especially when expectations are high remember just a couple years ago when aaron rogers was going to the denver broncos yeah and they had von mill. They traded him away. But they still had that defense, I guess, that goes and the offense. Yeah. They were Aaron Rodgers away from the Super Bowl. Yeah. Absolutely. Russell Wilson, new head coach, we're winning the Super Bowl.

Yeah, 100%. That's tough. That's a tough start. Can't be thinking up there. Just got to do. You think, you die. That's right. Okay, this is start. Can't be thinking up there. Just got to do. You think, you die. That's right. Okay, this is top-down.

I've seen what Russ got himself up to, man. Obviously, you know, because he's the guy. He should be the guy running the show. You know, he's, what, 11 years in the league, 250-plus. On office. Won a Super Bowl. You know, he's the face of the franchise. So you've got to make some of those tough decisions, too.

And I heard Matt say, like, quarterbacks get paid for red area. Third down. And what was the other one? Third down. And third down, the money down. So, come on, you've got to figure it out. Yeah, hopefully it does. Him not being able to have timeout capabilities in that first game,

like when Peyton was 62 times. Let's get one here, huh? Let's talk about it. Get one. Maybe we want to get one here. Might want to talk about it. Get one. Maybe we want to get one here. Might want to talk about it. Get one. Get one. I don't know what we're doing.

He's friends with McManus, too. He knows McManus has a massive leg and he's painting sitting there going, what are we doing? Let's get one. I respect the fact that you know, Hackett was like, we're going to fucking make 64 yarder right here.

And when we do, everybody's going to call me a genius. Just think, that goes the other way. That ball goes this far right. Because McBandis has a strong enough leg to do so. Bombs, balls, great kicker in the NFL a long time. None of these questions are happening. He's a genius. He's a fucking genius. This guy knows his team better yeah trust this player i don't know how he got in here and got

you know to the point where he knows exactly what mcmanus is the type of guy he is he knows exactly what russ is wanting to do like that's the conversation and now we got to question every word he says because if you don't win yeah because it sounds like he is exactly and if you don't win fucking gone yeah uh some other awesome stuff uh coming out of the nfl jerry jones mike mccarthy pittsburgh guy said the juror feels all news is good news i feel like all time is good time or something like that i forget what it was but the more the more you learn about jerry jones the more you learn about like a guy who is literally a constant yeah it's gonna work yeah let's do that yeah we're gonna do that and i assume that's because all the all most of the times that he's done that it has worked out right and most of the time whenever he has decided to

do something when people tell him not to do something it's probably paid off big time so his feeling of yeah i'm fucking smarter than everybody is probably earned in his mind changed the nfl completely whenever he became an owner you're talking about licensing and different deals that he has been able to create and he's part of the business side of it and everybody talks about the business he sold to buy the cowboys go all in he is a part of the tv network deals that happen jerry jones is a big part of that so no matter what your thoughts are on jerry jones business wise jerry has been fucking incredibly successful and very powerful in the biggest league in the nfl so you can see how he maybe thinks that his way is the right way to go about doing things. When he starts talking about injuries, though, it is fucking awesome. This was his answer on 105.3 The Fan just yesterday morning

talking about Dak Prescott. And we were talking about an injury that everybody says six to eight weeks to return from. Jerry Jones, who's been successful at everything he's ever done with a super optimistic and positive mindset, says this. And guess what? I almost fucking believe him over the science and how are you feeling about Dax progression and his timeline well he's I don't know don't know that anybody knows but when

he can get get away from the the car get into the strength area where he can grasp, then you'll see probably the real advancement in his timeline. And I don't know when that is. I do know that I think after a good airing out last week, everybody recognizes that he'll be back sooner than later as far as the timeline. It really could be a minimal of two weeks up here in my mind. Now, that's very optimistic. That is optimistic.

But it could be. And he's got the kind of repair there that will allow him not to have a lot of fear about re-injuring. It's just a question of the grip. But it's a big question. Big question. Now, that is a big question there, the grip on a quarterback, whether he's able to throw the football or not. And if we can bring the picture of the quote back up, I think the reason why I love this is because Jerry Jones is clearly a

tell me the best possible outcome. They tell him the best possible outcome, and he goes, that's what it's going to be. I love it. I enjoy that. I feel like I'm pretty similar in a lot of situations. I don't know about medical-wise I've ever been that way, but I do like the fact that Jerry Jones knows he's invested a lot of money

in his franchise quarterback. His team is going to be better with Dak Prescott, although Cooper Cush came in and got the job done for the Dallas Cowboys. His actual quote, if you look at it in words, kind of condensed, I don't know that anybody knows when he'll be back. So let's talk about it. Doctor came up. Trainer came up.

Said six to eight weeks. He said, is that a fucking fact? Six to eight weeks? You're already putting a window. I putting windows been hitting that timeline for a long time jerry yeah yeah but has anybody ever come back sooner than that uh there is one case where somebody came back in like three oh so it's not six days is that was that what i just heard so you guys don't even know i mean you guys supposed to know i guess i know but that one person came back three weeks right you said that what sport softball shot put what was it throw the ball same thing as dac nobody knows got it don't even know. I mean, you guys are supposed to know. I guess I know, but that one person came back three weeks, right? You said that. What sport? Softball? Shot put? What was it? Throw the ball? Same thing as Dak?

Nobody fucking knows. Got it. Two weeks he's coming back. I don't know that anybody knows when he'll be back. Alright, I'm sure that that conversation has somehow got to that point, and I love it. I love everything about it, but when he gets enough strength in his hand, then you'll probably see some real advancement in his timeline. I don't know when that is.

I do know that with a good Aaron out last week, everybody recognizes that he'll be back sooner than later as far as the timeline. Now, what's the timeline? It's the timeline, the doctor's timeline, that he just said that nobody knows when he's going to be back from. Right. So six to eight weeks. He's going to be back sooner than later on that timeline.

What he did last week, Aaron it out. What does that mean, by the way, Aaron? Was he throwing the ball last week? Sounds like it. Yeah, we saw him holding it. So maybe in day-to-day, he did get a couple throws up. What if he can't move that thumb, and he's like, yeah, I can figure out how to throw a fucking throw.

You just kind of locked that thing in there. I can figure out how to throw a strike with that. I mean, normally, yeah, full throw and everything, but if this is how we got to throw, I can do it. Jerry said, I like that. Now, look at this. We got different throws. Maybe even that and the fucking left hand and then we don't even need to rough them ain't that right i mean just the thought of jerry dissecting it all is

amazing it really could be a minimum of two weeks up here in my mind okay from all the conversations i've had with the doctors with dac was seeing them throw with the trainers with the research in my mind fuck maybe. Maybe next week. I mean, we do know. Why not? Now, that's very optimistic. I understand that. But he's got the kind of repair that will allow him not to have a lot of fear of re-injuring it,

which is a big deal. I think getting past an injury and being scared to death that you're going to re-injure it after you just did a bunch of rehab on it. Now, he will only be doing two weeks of rehab, so it's not like investing three, four months every single day into rehabbing something and having the scare that it's going to pop again and that's a big deal it's just a question of grip but that's a big question whenever you're talking about a quarterback so jerry's telling him telling the world in a very positive way in the cowboys nation one of which a member of rode a horse into a grocery store yep in a dallas cowboy that happened the wind so i

haven't celebrated the wind cooper cush brings the boys a dub uh one of the cowboys faithful horse into a grocery store. In a Dallas Cowboys. That happened. Celebrate the win. That happened. Celebrate the win. Cooper Cush brings the boys a dub. One of the Cowboys faithful puts cowboy hat, saddles the horse, gets right in a grocery store like they said they would. If Cooper gets us a fucking win, I'm riding Molly down to the Walmart. I'm going right into the Walmart. I'm going right. And they did.

Just walked that son of a bitch around, dyed the tail blue, put the Prescott jersey on and said, excuse me, I'm going, and they did. Just walked that son of a bitch around, dyed the tail blue, put the Prescott jersey on, and said, excuse me, I need to go to aisle seven to pick up the big balls of Cooper Cush. What an unbelievable team the Cowboys have. And that's all because of Jerry Jones' marketing, because of how faithful they are, how bought in they are. But who knows, I think, is what Jerry's saying when he could come back. That six to eight weeks might not even be a thought for Jerry at this point.

Well, and it makes sense because, you know, anytime we talk about the Cowboys, at least the media in general, and Jerry, it's like, hey, the team on paper, we could win a Super Bowl this year. He's eternally optimistic no matter what the case is, so it does make sense that in his mind it doesn't matter what the doctors are saying. He is expecting Dak to be back in two to four weeks,

and if he's not, then he'll say, well, yeah, I might have been a little optimistic. I overshot the – he'll say I overshot the horse. How much pressure is on Dak in general? If Cooper Cush wins a couple games, I don't think there's that much. But him putting – you're talking about to force him back? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's a negative way. But Dak knows Jerry.

Yeah. Like, Dak, I understand. They paid Dak after a gruesome injury, and I would assume at some point Jerry said, you're going to be back better than ever with this brand-new leg. I mean, this is just, this is good news, not bad news. Your last leg, listen, that thing was, what, 20, 24 years old? Failed you. This new leg, shit, it's going to be a month or two old here in about a month or two i mean that is we got brandon's i love that about jerry though eternal optimism i fucking

love it because i assume there's a lot of trying times but jerry's always kind of skated through and he's like yeah fuck yeah it'll all work out it'll all work out including with medicine and surgery and i'll be excited to see the willpower of jerry jones see if it works out for him we'll see it man i mean it's obviously not his injury, and we'll see. All injuries are different, but I like the optimism from Jerry. You got to have that, especially for your quarterback. Hopefully, Dax gets out there sooner than later, man. Think about Jerry talking to him at a one-per-club meeting in the NFL.

We're going to make $110 billion over 11 years. And then some very negative owner who's just a pissed off, miserable billionaire somehow, which does happen a lot. We've heard from documentaries and shit. John Mara. Yeah, all of them. Let's be realistic. I don't live in a realistic world.

Shut your fucking mouth. Fucking $110 billion in 11 years. I'll put my left and right nut on it. I love that that is how Jerry operates. It has to be tough for everybody around him, though. You don't win the Super Bowl, what are we doing? I told everybody. I had to believe.

Remember, we talked about we were winning the Super Bowl last year. Mike, what the fuck happened? And Mike's like, Jerry, it's going to be tough. We love you, Jerry. Jerry, what an interesting pairing those two are. Just Pittsburgh to the core in Mike McCarthy. Probably, I mean mean he laughs a lot probably has a good time drinks beers but deep in his soul probably miserable though okay probably

okay being miserable yeah it's probably he's okay with that and then he got jerry coming in with his southern hey we're gonna win fucking 10 lombardos right next 10 years let's do that and i go oh let's put some fucking realistic expectations on this thing. Well, and he has to be like that because he knows that no one's going to give him a pass. Like, no one, if the Cowboys, with Dak being hurt, like, let's say they go 4-13 this year, like, no one's going to talk about Dak getting hurt, you know? It's like, hey, the Cowboys once again stunk this year. Like, Jerry knows that no matter what happens, regardless on the field, like, no one is going to give the Cowboys a pass if they don't make the playoffs this year

or they don't compete. And there wasn't as much hype on the Cowboys a pass if they don't make the playoffs this year or they don't compete. And there wasn't as much hype on the Cowboys going into this season as there was in years past. I kind of enjoyed it. And I bet you the Cowboys kind of enjoyed it as well. Yeah, thought they were going to be good because of that. Yeah, there was one person who didn't, though. Who's that?

Why are they not talking about it? These fucking Cowboys. I've got some news about Joe Hayden retiring. We'll talk about that in the next hour. Also, look out for a new Call of Duty drop-in. So all eyes are on the Arizona Cardinals and the facility over there for Kyler Murray. Stats say that we will potentially see a drop-off in Kyler Murray's performance. Now, not saying that second half, maybe they figured it out, though.

It's a different year. Maybe a lot of that. Jared Goff situation. Now, not saying that second half, maybe they figured it out, though. It's a different year. Maybe live bet. Jared Goff situation. So the thing about this Call of Duty drop that's coming, for PlayStation, it's like this Thursday. Yeah. It's happening, like, very soon, right now. Oh. PC and Xbox, which is where Kyler Murray plays Call of Duty.

We did our research. He used to be on an Xbox. And he obviously graduated the pro gamer with the PC because it's faster, more efficient, more headshots. Right. Not as much glitch. But he uses an Xbox controller on the PC is what our research tells us. Shout out to Bruce. That's right.

So that's dropping September 22nd through the 23rd. Now, that means all eyes are on this weekend as the Cardinals take on the Rams. Tough opponent. That's right. Reigning, defending, undisputed Super Bowl champs. take on the Rams, tough opponent. That's right. Reigning, defending, undisputed Super Bowl champs.

But I also learned from the gaming community, since he is on FaZe Clan, probably got this a couple weeks ago. Yeah, he's been beta testing. So maybe that's why first half was first half, then second half was second half, because he kind of got out of snipe mode and got into like, okay, we got to play football again. Or maybe this is a thing in the past.

We don't have to worry about this anymore because Kyler Murray is sick of having to talk about it. Maybe that's the case. I play this on PlayStation. Very, very fun. It's a good drop, you're saying? It's a good drop. Good beta. And Kyler has heard that, and he's a gamer to the heart.

He has every console. He will be playing this on PlayStation as well. I understand he's a PC guy, PC master race. I understand all that garbage. He will be playing this on PlayStation as well. I understand he's a PC guy, PC Master Race. I understand all that garbage. He will be playing this on PlayStation. And now that everybody else can play, he'll be able to kill other people and assert his dominance. He's not just playing against computers.

You know, everyone's going to have the beta. Bad news. Who are they playing again? The Rams. I'm going to put my mortgage on the Rams. Because there's no reason. You do not have a mortgage. Car payment. Is that a mortgage for cars?

Yeah. I'm putting my car mortgage on it then. It's a loan. But mortgage, I guess you could tech. I don't know the technical terms. I'm going to mortgage Mitt's house and put that on the Rams. Okay. That's great.

I don't know if that's what Mitt needs right now, but I am happy you two are potentially living on the streets together. And if we win, guess what, Mitt? You're getting that brand new pool in your backyard, you know? What a good guy. Because of the Rams. What a good guy. I'll be over every day of the year.

I think Kyler is past all that. I think we're going to get a new Kyler Murray. I don't know. When that guy saw it through in the face, it looked like he almost got shot in the head. No, he came back to fight the guy, which I like. I don't think we should put the guy in jail. I do like that Kyler Murray came back and was thinking about getting his own.

I feel like a drunk and a celebratory situation. That happened. Let's move on. Yeah. Let's move on. Wasn't even close to DeChambeau, too. So that's kind of a positive as well. DeChambeau.

Let's get to a break. He almost. He almost died. Yeah, he was acting as a positive as well. D. Shambo, let's get to a break. He almost... He almost died. Yeah, he acted as a guillotine and almost cut his head off. That's what people don't know. The live ropes actually are serrated edges.

That's why. Let's get to a break. All right, we're back in five for hour two. A.J. Hawk will join us. D-Bud, how much on this to give away $5,000

slow down Darius not all of us have cool sunglasses you throw it then Jesus well don't hit the lights yeah you should come out here you should come out here I think center stage

alright D-Bud here we go $5,000 to somebody that retweets this. If Darius J. Butler can make this for the brand baby Duke into the hoop that is actually 10 feet.

Oh, shit. This guy stinks. T-Bud. Hey, that's a tough walk. I've done it a few times. I've done it a few times. I've done it a few times. Football. That's what we talk about most because football is happening.

Football is in mid-season form just two weeks into the NFL season. There's already players-only meetings. There's already teams that aren't statistically or technically out, but percentage-wise, probably fucking done. There's teams we are already crowning as Super Bowl champions. It's a beautiful time of the year. College football is hot. Going to Knoxville, Tennessee this weekend for College Game Day.

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Darius Butler. Hey, what's up man? Not too much man. Working on that shot. Yeah, I was about to say. Football shot. A little bit of a lot of people saying they're disappointed. I'm just telling you, I think Orlovsky even tweeted a little. Damn. Yeah, he said, nice throw or something, you know.

Oh, no. I think he said, nice throw. Something like that. You know what I mean? Hey, Orlovsky, Orlovsky, how come you didn't just tell people what had happened? You're watching. We appreciate you. I love that you're on Monday Night Football.

Yeah. Getting to hear your brain in that booth is truly cool. Because we remember when you were just a guy at your house calling into this show with zero inflection ever. Remember that? Monotone. You were scared to death to be on the show. Yeah. Stunk. That was a long time ago. Long time ago. Oh, he would callotone. He was scared to death to be on the show. Yeah. Stunk.

That was a long time ago. Long time ago. Oh, he would call onto this show and be scared to death. It seemed like he was scared to death. Then he started

like coming on and he started coming alive. And Dan Orlovsky was like, oh my God, this guy's going to be the hottest thing

in sports media. He has gone on to do that. Now he's at Monday Night Football. We are proud, aren't we? Love the guy.

But then something like Monday happens and the entire internet's saying, this guy sneezed and then farted into his microphone. And it's like, we're associated with you, pal. Hey, we need you to tell people

that you didn't fart directly into the microphone. No. You bobbled a couple words because that's what people do. And then you, as a child, because you and your kids watch Dude Perfect and stuff,

you just go, to move on. We didn't know that. You sound like you literally shit into your microphone. and stuff, you just go, it's a move on. We didn't know that. It sounded like you literally shit into your microphone. Right. Let's get better, Dan. Good luck, Dan. You got this.

Great job. And again, you can also jokingly say that. I'm so sorry. I just pooped my pants. That's another great answer. Exactly. Oh, is anybody going to another diaper? Yeah.

Right. Any of these things. Keep it going. Bring wet wipes, Steve. I've been nervous for it. Big night. of these things. Keep it going. Bring wet wipes, Steve. I've been nervous for it. Big night. Monday night football. There's no way that was an actual fart.

Darius, that's... It sounded like it was right to the mic. Yeah. That's the thing. We're having this conversation. Do you know why we're having this conversation right now? Because Dan farted on national TV. All right.

So that's what you think. Okay. So you think... A lot of people think Dan farted. But Dan didn't tell us. Like, you know, there was never like an acknowledgement of what just happened. It's like, Dan, if you shit into the mic, like let people know. Tell them.

You know, because we're watching this game alongside. I love the way he, I think he does a great job. He does. I love Dan Orlovsky. Great breath dance. Is there a chance Levy might have done it? Wow. Dan was talking.

Like after he bobbled it, Levy was like, geez, Dan. And then Orlovsky kept going. Well, Ivy was like, geez, Dan. And then he kept going. Well, I don't like that for team chemistry going forward. No. I hope Dan and Steve got that figured out if that was the case because Steve is a wordsmith. I love the way he goes about doing his business on a microphone. I like that team as a whole, but started the show with them farting onto a mic

and us not knowing what took place. That actually kind of makes sense. Levy might have farted as like a, hey, welcome to the big leagues, kid. And pawned it off on Dan. Oh, Dan, you think, oh, because he's the new one in that group. Exactly. A little rookie hazing. You should have seen when he did a greasy.

You should have seen when he did a greasy last year. He's giving wedgies. Yeah, he had to go back to the NFL. Anyways, Dan, we hope you're not getting bullied. Good luck, Dan. Joining us now is a man who does all the bullying, especially when he's on a football field. Led with his head more times than anybody in the history of the Green Bay Packers to become

the all-time leading tackler. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron James-Hawke. AJ, would you like to... I'd like to talk about Dan real quick. What's up? Would you like to – Hey, so – Go ahead. I'd like to talk about Dan real quick.

I know you're talking about – first off, Dan does an amazing job. And I know TJ Lang, friend of the program, had a tweet saying, what, fart into the mic in an opening sequence and still go on to call a killer game or whatever. He was giving Dan props. But now that I think about it, you were saying, you know, you weren't headset mic. You said sneeze, head went down, mic goes in the butt.

That's why we hear the farts so bad. I think we heard that pause because Dan was like, here we go. This is my moment. This is a big way to start. I'm taking my headset off and putting the mic right down here. That's why we had like two seconds of silence and then right back at it. You think maybe he bobbled the words too because he was so excited to take it. He's like, I'm going to really do it.

I'm going to do it. I told my kids I would. I'm really going to do it. All these things are possible possible which is what we're saying like hey dan let's just address it and move on that's right we appreciate you dan love you dan you did a great game i think you did too i like dan orlovsky as a human i know him as a human so i like him as a person so whenever he says the stuff that he says sometimes that people lose their mind about and hate him for i'm like that's dan what do. What are we? Like, that's Orlovsky. And Orlovsky genuinely feels those ways, too.

Like, there's some people that are talking on TV, and we talked about this this morning, actually, while I was sitting around the bar here, and I can't wait for you to see it, AJ. This has become a really cool area over here. We were talking about it. It's obvious when somebody on TV doesn't believe what they're saying, right? It's like, you obviously don't believe what you're saying,

but you're saying it right now for the purpose of the show, for the purpose of the debate, the purpose of debate for whatever you're doing orlovsky believes everything he says wholeheartedly he believes everything he says so like there's people like orlovsky's this orlovsky's that like orlovsky's like this is this is how i was born yeah what do you want i've no idea really like you know them since college 1000 when he first got on you know started his climb on TV, I would text him like, Dan, what the fuck are you talking about? We would go back and forth.

So, yeah, you're right. He absolutely believed everything he said. And you've got to appreciate that because he'll step in the batter's box for everything. Yeah. Everything he's getting in there, he's going high bat. Right under the hoop. He's hitting 61 of them, too, in the AL. He's hitting 61 of them, too, in the AL. He's hitting 61.

More than Babe Ruth, who when Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs in the AL or whatever, said, fuck you, bitch. Nobody's ever going to be able to do that. I'd like to see that son of a bitch do that. And this is an actual quote from Jeff Passan, who's an actual journalist in the baseball world.

So we have to take his tweet as a matter of fact. When Babe Ruth hit his 60th home run in one season, his quote was, 60, count them, 6-0. Let's see some other son of a bitch match that. Beast. When Aaron Judge hit his 60th last night in the bottom of the ninth in a game they were down five, he says,

to get a chance to play baseball at Yankee Stadium, packed house, first place team, that's what you dream about now a couple different situations here obviously there's a lot of media training that has taken place since babe ruth was around uh there's a lot more access to players and players are a little a little bit more guarded um but also babe ruth probably had about four or five cigs in his mouth at the time and he he assumed that there wasn't the sport was going to stay the same way. It wasn't going to grow into Aaron Judge, who's 6'7", 265 pounds, can dunk a basketball, can play any sport, and yoking fucking dingers in baseball.

But that's what baseball has become. And Aaron Judge is about to make all the money in the world tie. You're a Yankees fan and a baseball fan. Last night was pretty monumental. Right now, let's not. We know they hit a grand slam to beat the Pirates in the ninth with zero outs. Ended the game with zero outs in the ninth inning. Pirates are up five or four going into the ninth.

They lose somehow. That's good Pirates baseball. Nonetheless, records are tied. Games were won. This was a big night for Yankees and for baseball as a whole, right? Yeah, absolutely massive. I mean, baseball's been played for how long? There's a very good chance.

It's not for sure yet, but he's probably going to break the AL home run record. He also might win the Triple Crown. Only 10 guys have done that since like 1922, so he's going to lead the AL in batting average home runs and RBIs. Yeah, I tweeted it last night. Like the, the Yankees, he had an arbitration thing that he settled with them. I think he's making like $20.8 million this year. They had a, they offered him setting. It was what? Seven years,

a 200 and like $13 million. And he knew his worth. He bet on himself. He said, fuck that. I'm not doing that. They're going to have to give him like $450, $500 million. I mean, this is the most – Congratulations, man. Yeah, that's awesome. Probably the most impressive hitting season in the history of baseball. Holy fuck, AJ.

Did you know you were watching that last night when you were watching? I turned it on in the ninth inning. I caught it right at the right time, not for the Pirates, but for the fucking Yankees and for baseball as a whole. It was electrifying. And then watching the coverage afterwards, it's a massive ordeal, AJ. Yeah, it is a huge deal. It's tough.

I don't see it as much as I did back in the day when I was younger, obviously. McGuire and Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds are hitting 100 homers a year. I wanted to ask Ty, has anyone post the steroid era, Ty, had 60 before? I don't think so. Stanton, who hit the walk-off grand Slam last night for the Yankees, he came pretty close. He won the MVP. I don't remember what year it was, but I think he hit either 56 or 57.

But, no, I think the last time someone hit 60-plus was when Sosa and McGuire were going back and forth. And what did they end up at, 70-something? Sammy hit 66. McGuire hit 70. And then I think two years later, Barry Bonds hit 73, and that's what the record is now. So there's a chance now he would have to get very hot here,

but he could catch the era of when everybody was literally chewing gum. They had a scientific gum that would up their testosterone for their at-bats, let alone everything else that they were taking. He's doing this all in a very heavily dope-tested, I would assume performance-enhancing, drug-tested time. This is why it's more impressive than anything else that's really happened? That and just hitting in baseball in general. I mean, we've talked about it.

How many guys do you see? A lot of people are throwing 100 miles an hour. A lot of guys throw really hard now, have crazy movement on their pitches, and just the batting average in general across baseball is much lower. So guys just, like, it's kind of a pitcher's league now. They throw fresh arms at them all the time. Exactly. When it's like, the guy gives up one hit, here we go, bring on a reliever.

Like, they just keep bringing dudes in. Well, last night, Will Carlo was throwing BP, basically, to the Yankees. The guy came in for the pints. He's like, hey, how you doing? Let me go ahead and groove fucking 97 right over the middle for you. And Judge is like, thank you. There's a record. And Giancarlo's staying.

Obviously, I don't watch baseball, but I understand this is a big moment. So we're taking time out of our football program to acknowledge how awesome it is for Aaron Judge to not only break this record that Babe Ruth has had for a long time. Roger Maris actually holds the AL record. So he tied Babe Ruth last night. Roger Maris, who's also a Yankee, hit 61. So that'll be the... Okay, so we prove even more that we have no idea what we're talking about.

But I do know that that Pirates pitcher last night was throwing BP. Aaron Judge, his Giancarlo stance, he just, he says, I'm going to go one-quarter swing, basically close stance, just like a punt. He line-drived that fucking ball however many feet to win the goddamn game during a grand slam, thanks to the Pirates' Puccos pitcher there. But is that what the Yankees' baseball is all the time? That was electrifying. Yeah, kind of.

When the Yankees, like earlier this year when they were the best team in baseball, playing at an unprecedented level, maybe going to have the best record ever, they kind of live and die by the homer. So when they have guys hitting home runs, they typically win. And yeah, that's Stanton's swing playing. He's so muscle-bound that it's kind of just, hey, I'm going to do a nice little short swing. I'm going to hit it 1,000 miles an hour, line drive.

It was like 410 feet. And then the other side of that is if he's not hitting a homer, he's basically just hitting the easiest double play of all time, which is why he's been hurt a lot this year. His average is just above 200. But I really do think, and a Yankees fan too, that was kind of the winning that game last night in that fashion, that is going to be huge going forward.

The Yankees might be back. Okay, so the Yankees might be back. Are the Mets back? Have we won? Because I saw Jerry Seinfeld was like, the trumpet ruined our team. And I guess we started thinking. I get texts from Michael Cole telling me that I'm the curse. Ever since I became a fan of their team, they started sucking.

I'm like, well, I've heard stories you guys suck. Yeah, we haven't heard much. Haven't heard much from the Mets lately. Are they dead? Yeah, I believe they have clinched a playoff. That's what I'm talking about. That's what we do. Fucking hit the trumpets! The thing with them

is the Braves are also in their division who won the World Series last year and they just got ungodly hot. A friend of the program, Dansby Swanson turned on. He seems like he's probably going to win a gold glove this year. But we'll see. The thing with the Mets kind of has always been that

they kind of choke in the playoffs, so we'll see if they can turn it around this year. All right. Well, we appreciate the hell out of the baseball information. Congrats to baseball on having a historic run happen right here in front of your eyes. Love you, Josie. Let's talk about some – he's going to get so much money from the Pittsburgh Pirates. Unprecedented.

Unprecedented, AJ. Yeah. It's all over the place. A lot of unprecedented things have been happening lately. They have been. Like for instance. It's a good time to be alive. A studio gets launched.

Day one, day two, have a show. Day one, audio problem. Day two, seems to be going okay. Getting better.

Somewhat of an audio problem. Day three, almost don't, can't go live. How's that happen? You tell me. Couldn't go live today? Almost.

Real close. We were real close. It was a whole thing. Legit that happen? You tell me. Couldn't go live today? Almost. Real close. We were real close. It was a whole thing. Legit. Came out of nowhere. Bam. But the incredible people working in the studio in the back, Vig, Deepak, Pauly B and the boys, figure out the problem, make it happen.

We appreciate the hell out of it. But they are all scheduled to leave soon. I was going to say, are they full-time people or are they leaving? They've been here. They're good people. I've learned a lot about them. You know, I don't like a lot of people kind of just hanging around. I don't enjoy it, you know, because it's like we don't need any distraction conversations.

We're trying to do our stoogeness and our show and everything. These guys have been great. They've been around. I don't know when they're going to leave, but I do know it seems like a problem pops up out of nowhere that they may potentially have the answer for. But I got nothing but faith that Zito will put the spunk and light on and pick up right where these guys are leaving. like a problem pops up out of nowhere that may they may potentially have the answer for uh but i got nothing but faith that zito will put the spunking light on and pick up right where these guys are leaving it'll probably take him a little bit because there are about 550 000 buttons back

there that you know kind of no one knows what they do or what they control or any of that kind of stuff but yeah zeke's gonna take one look at it and be like oh boom i know exactly what that's going to how about zito go into the one of those things we won't be able to use like three-eighths of those buttons anymore but we can easily just attach it to that is that okay and i'll go yeah we got a lot of buttons right and you'll go yeah i mean those buttons are definitely they're good buttons that we're not going to be able to use ever again if we do that but we'll definitely be able to get and i'm always like yeah those buttons he was like i don't like doing this, but all right, see ya, bang.

Those buttons now have a book on top of them. Those things didn't even exist. We might as well not have got it, but we're right up and in there. And that's what this operation is, and that's why Zito Productions are such a glorious thing. Love you, Z.

Love you, Z. This place is dope. Maybe they're just back there causing a little problem so they keep hanging out. I kind of want to say that. Well, D-Bud, I don't want to say that.

Good move. That's being discussed. I don't want to say that... Good move. That's being discussed. I don't want to say that I'm an immediate like, oh, everybody's sabotaging us guy, because I am one of those guys naturally.

Oh, you're fucking us. Oh, you're sabotaging. Oh, you're doing... That is my natural reaction and everything. These guys are good guys. Great guys. Others?

I met Paul. Cool dude. Paulie is a cool guy. He's an Eagles fan too. It's a good time to be a Birds fan in this office after that Monday Night Football game. I mean, they fucking just did it. Hey, okay, let's dive into it. Jalen Hurts looks

unbelievable right now. Darius, you picked the Philadelphia Eagles to go to the Super Bowl because you like the dog mentality. You like the way Jalen Hurts is going to progress. You like Sirianni. After a couple weeks, you're going to feel very good about it. And on the defense side of the ball, they're balling. I love this Eagles team. They seem to be a fun team to root for right now. Love it, man.

You start in those trenches. Dogs in the trenches on both sides. And then you look at the skill positions on both sides of the ball. You saw what Slade did against, you know, one of the best receivers in the game with Jefferson. And it hurts, man, the steps that he's taking at that quarterback position. Obviously, we know what he can do athletically. But the reads he's making, the throws he's making making he got a full grasp on the game right now so this team i mean the arrows

only going up there's no players only meetings happening in philadelphia right now they are very happy about everything did you hear about this in cleveland and one day before thursday night football pittsburgh cleveland browns both teams have a lot of shit to figure out pittsburgh steelers are going through their own shit they got a new quarterback for the first time in like 18 years. Ben Roethlisberger has been a study. His podcast, he's pretty involved. He's at the game in a suite cheering for the team. He and Hodge.

God damn right. Merrill Hodge is the co-host of Football in this week. He's who AJ was talking about. He's all the way invested in his program in that team and they're trying to figure it out right now and I got faith that Mike Tomlin will, but the fans are already chanting the backup quarterback's name, which we all expected in Pittsburgh.

If Mitchell Trubisky didn't do great, people are calling for Matt Canada's head, the offense coordinator. So the Steelers have their own shit to figure out as well, going into this Thursday night football game. But the culture we know, right? The culture we know. Tomlin's culture we know. New quarterback, we know the culture we know, right? The culture we know. Tomlin's culture we know. New quarterback, we know the culture.

For the Browns, Stefanski, obviously he's brand new in there. Andrew Berry just a couple years in there. Has them making the play to bring in Deshaun Watson. I don't think we fully know their culture yet. So when we hear the fact that there's a players-only meeting happening after two weeks of football in your one-on-one, is that alarming to you AJ and and what what is that your first reaction to hearing that first first reaction pretty early

in the year for this to happen obviously my my natural reaction but then I'm thinking all right trying to like I heard you talking about Jerry earlier and I do appreciate Jerry does seem to be Mr. Positivity like those people are fun to be around when it's always positive and I think if you want to look at the positive way maybe the the Browns are saying, hey, let's not let this get away from us. Let's try to clean this garbage up right now. We let a game get away from us that we should have won. That's not who we are. Let's talk about it for a second so some of these young,

impressionable guys don't go off the rails and we just tank this season. So that's my positive take on it. But also, like, I don't think they do a whole lot either. Well, Darius and I got into the dynamic of players-only meetings. And you and I have chatted about it before in the past. And you were with the Packers. He was with the Panthers, the Patriots, and the Colts. We all have the same thoughts on them.

Every person has the same thoughts on them. Beginning, we think the message is good and probably can cut through. But then normally it just turns into... Who else wants to talk? Who else wants to show that they're a leader? Darius said we need... Who has some slam poetry they're a leader? Darius said we need... Who has some slam poetry to do? Darius said we need a shot clock.

Like the first guys, it's like award show. Like the big awards, they can talk forever, right? Then the little smaller awards, it's like... Like in those players-only meeting, they should have somebody on the aux, and it's like, alright, who's speaking? Miles Garrett's speaking. Okay.

Go ahead, Miles. What are you going to do? Oh, now Jacoby's speaking, although he's new to the team. He's that type of guy. Speaking for the offense alongside Chubb and Hunt. Do what you got to do. Special teams got talks? Okay, now we got backup linebacker who's seen some things.

Okay, he's been around, knows his thing. He gets up there. I think you get 15, 20 so share your heart and then i think i think oxcord is maybe even like an obnoxious sound like uh maybe it's brownie the elf laughing that's just you know laughing them off the fucking stage actor they i hope that this isn't a sign of terribleness because how do we know about it who told us about it it? It was a tweet. It was a tweet. So a player told Mary Kay Cabot, as you say? Everything comes out of Mary Kay Cabot out of Cleveland.

But Tom Withers, who is an Associated Press, says, the Browns held a players-only meeting. Not sure if that's good or bad after two games. Tom seems to be in the same conversation that we're having. Hopefully the Browns fans get a chance to celebrate something at some point because just a little bit ago, they were terrible, god-awful, miserable. We're going to go get drunk at games and maybe throw beer bottles at the owner. Then they get what's just happened again.

They tap back into a little nostalgia effect at the end of this last game. Then they get a quarterback, Baker Mayfield, seems to fit the city. Guy likes to have a good time, seems to be a little gritty. He's on his shoulder. Talks shit. He's a fighter. Wins some big games for us. Takes us to the playoffs.

We win a fucking playoff game. Here we go. Life is good. We're going to grow. Well, actually, everybody in the building hates him. Get him out of here. Now we're going to pay the largest contract in the history of football to a guy who has a lot going on outside of the field that's very serious,

and we're going to have to deal with him not playing for at least six games or whatever. So the Cleveland Browns fans have been on a full one of these, and if they're having players-only meetings after week two, I assume there's a lot of people in Cleveland going, ah, we fucking, this is it. Of course. We suck again.

But if they go on to win some games, we'll look back at this players-only meeting and say this was the moment. Right, Darius? They got in front of it, and they can't go on a run. They can't run, you know, four, five, six in a row. They got the guys. Pittsburgh Steelers don't have it all figured out. They did when they had this guy on the team, though.

Joining us now is a Hall of Famer, a man who is, I want to read off all the accolades. He's obviously a Super Bowl champion, defensive player of the year in 1993. Six-time. Six-time. Six-time. Six-time. Six-time. Six-time, six-time, six-time, six-time first-team All-Pro, 11-time Pro Bowler. He's from Indiana, went to Purdue, and he's now currently an XFL head coach.

You know him as a Steeler, Raven, Raider. He's also a Niner. We looked up in our research. Ladies and gentlemen, safety, Rod Woodson. Hey, what's going on, man? Hey, thank, Rod Woodson. Hey, Rod. What's going on, man? Hey, thank you for joining us. I'm going to let you guys know, you guys, I love watching you guys' show because you keep it real.

Okay, Rod. I love to see you guys just talk ball, keep it real. It's like being in the living room, right? That's how we all, that's how the locker room, that's how you talk in the locker room. It's like being in the living room, right? That's how you talk in the locker room. Just bringing that to the masses is very comforting, I can say it that way. Well, we're very lucky that people like you join us for conversations who are legends of the game, trailblazers in the game, stalwarts of the game.

We're very thankful for that. And also, thank you for paying attention to our shit. I mean, honestly, it sucks most days. You must have seen some good clips. We appreciate the hell out of you. Let's move on. We were just talking about this, and I'd like to get your take on this because now you're a head coach in the XFL. Excited to hear about that.

But you played in the NFL, obviously, a long, long, long time. Players-only meetings are an interesting thing. And I don't know what they were like back whenever you were doing your thing. I can only talk for my time. Norman, there's a couple guys that can break through. Then it gets to the shit at the end, and it's like, all right, did we accomplish anything? Hopefully, but usually it's just like nothing takes place.

Cleveland's already calling for player-only meetings after two weeks into the season. What's your take on that, Rod, as a guy that's been around football for so long? I've only, in my 17 years, only did one players-only meeting, and that was with the Raiders. And normally when you do a players-only meeting, everything's going to crap. I mean, you're not – everything's not perfect in the building

and in the locker room and on the field. Normally, though, for us and for me throughout my career, we normally handled everything in the locker room every single week. We took a personal, especially in Pittsburgh and in Baltimore, we made sure that everything was done the right way on a consistent basis. And if you didn't do it the right way, you're going to hear from us in the locker room. That's how great teams are made up. And then once you have to have a players-only meeting, it's gone to a place that normally teams don't come back from.

Week two, Rod. It's week two. It's fucking week three right now. It's very early for this. I know. I don't know how you – there must be more going on than, you know, what we know, but in the first two weeks, I just don't know how you call a meeting that quick.

Yeah, me neither. Go ahead, AJ. Rod, I feel like sometimes players think the head coach or other coaches would think, like, oh, this is good. I'm showing the coach that I really care. Like, I'm going to call a players-only meeting. Do you think coaches like when they see this happen? Heck no. Heck no.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of the great teams each year do ever do a players-only meeting? No, never. No. Absolutely. Everything is going to crap. That's why you have the players only meeting. And then I mean, but if you look at the great teams, even in the league today, they have leaders.

So my question all the time is every team, when I'm looking at the teams, I'm going, who are the leaders? If they don't have leaders, I don't even think they're going to be even that good enough to go to the super bowl and or win the super bowl but you got to have leaders in the locker room that's going to do it on a daily basis that's going to build a culture in that locker room that holds everybody accountable even the leaders because the truth doesn't always feel good and it does hurt sometimes but then you have to get love when you love is. And I think if you do that, you can find a really good balance in a football team. That word culture gets thrown around so much, but I think that locker room is really what drives it.

It's what creates it. And to your point, like if guys are having problems with each other, guys showing up late, and there has to be more to it like you mentioned. Maybe some things happened earlier in training camp or week one, and then they lose to the Jets in basically unprecedented fashion. It was the 2,332nd game that a team was up by 13 or more with two minutes left, and the other team had no timeouts. And that's the first time ever that the team came back and won, let alone on the road.

So maybe there were some situations that led to that that weren't called out in the past. But I hope they get it figured out because those Browns fans have been on a ride here. Let's talk about a team that you know a lot about, Pittsburgh Steelers. They're playing the Browns tomorrow night. They get a new quarterback situation happening. How do you think Tomlin handles that? And have you been back around the Steelers much in this new era since, you know, you're OG XFL head coach now?

You know, I know everybody there um and i i think mike i think what mike he went with trubisky uh he's been there done it uh probably a better scrambler than pickett because they do have they still have some issues on offensive line but i really think for the long-term effect, I think if you put Pickett in there with these young receivers, young running back, let them all grow together, keep putting your pieces in there on the offensive line, I think that's the key for the success for Mike Tallman in the future.

I think they're built to win right now on defense. I think they've got so many young pieces on offense. I would love to see Pickett be that guy. And I say it this way because I've never seen too many quarterbacks play marginally okay at one place and then come to another place and play lights out. I've never seen it in the history of football. I mean, maybe Rich Gannon. It's very rare hold on rod

and tennant but he's been hills played well but he's like he's he's a roller coaster he needs a running game to go with his passing game if he doesn't have a running game tannahill is not that quarterback i think we can all be fair with that but tannahill yes he has played well i think he's played well these last couple years but most quarterbacks in this league in the history of football, they don't play marginally okay one place and then come to another place and play lights out. You are what you are, Rod said. You are what you are.

Go ahead, AJ. Rod, obviously you have tons of interceptions and you've been reading quarterbacks' eyes and their intentions your whole life. What do the great ones do that make it so tough on DBs? What do the great ones do that make it so tough on DBs? The great quarterbacks, the great quarterbacks, and I say the best quarterback I ever played against was Dan Marino. And I've said this for quite a long time.

Just for the fact that Danny couldn't run from, he couldn't run 20 yards in 50 seconds. I mean, he just can't. I mean, he just couldn't go anywhere. But he can hold the ball. He can slide in the pocket. He can slide up. And he could sling that rock down the field like no other.

Think about it. Dan Marino threw for 5,000 yards, what, in 91? In 91. If Dan Marino had these rules, Dan Marino would throw for 6,500 yards. Hey, Dan Marino, he's a Pittsburgh guy. You know, he's tough. He's got that grit. What? Can sling the rock.

Used to have a great time, too, I heard. I don't know if you ever got a chance. I heard Dan Marino used to live as well while he was slinging it. Darius Butler, nine-year NFL vet in the secondary, has a question for you, Rod. Hey, Rod, you played 17 years, obviously, as a player, so you were probably a coach on the field. But what was the toughest adjustment from you going from, obviously, an all-time great player to a coach?

The biggest thing for me was, obviously, everybody's not going to be me. I knew that. But I'm a formation-driven player. And a formation-driven player, so I look at the field, I look at the formation, irrelevant of the personnel groupings because they're going to give you different personnel groupings, they're going to move different pieces. But as soon as they finish up in a certain area, three-by-one,

it's condensed, they only run so many plays. And it's more situational football, first down, second down, third down. They only run so many plays. And then I eliminate those plays. Well, heck, as a coach, I thought all the players looked at it that way so i built all my like my cut-ups and all that stuff with straight formations and at the end of the year asked my guys hey what can i do for you guys and they're like hey can you put personnel in there i'm like what why why you don't need to see personnel so i it made me rethink how my, and now what we always say as coaches, you learn your learners.

Is he a rep guy? Is he a visual guy? You know, is he an audio guy? You have to learn who they are, and then you have to teach them their way because everybody doesn't learn in the same way. That's the one thing I had to really learn about coaching. Me, A.J., and Darius talk about how we would never ever ever ever ever coach in the National Football League the amount of time and commitment you have to do you have to kind

of have that as a trait I think in like innately I think it has to be a genetic trait that you have that you want to coach did you always know you were going to be a coach? Nope. Never. You know, when I, when I retired in 2003, Bill Cowher called me the year I retired and he asked me to be the DB coach or the corner coach for the Steelers. And I was just like, coach, I love you to death, man. I'm not ready. I knew the commitment that I would have to make to be a really good head coach because I'm only going to do something and jump into something if I'm committed to it. And I didn't want to do it. And then my kids, my younger boys, started playing ball, and I was coaching them,

and I really got the itch. And then in 2011, Al Davis called me and asked me, do I want to be the corner coach for the Oakland Raiders? And you can't turn down Al Davis. That's the godfather. I was like, yes, sir. Let me do it. I mean, I had a good gig at the NFL Network.

And I left the gig, went to coach. I think it was my best decision I ever made just for the fact. I wish I would have done it earlier. But love coaching. Love what I do. Now, what I say to these grinders, because remember back in the day, they had eight millimeter films and you had to splice the tape. And then they had that's where they had to stay all night.

Yeah. Today, I can ask my. Yeah, I can just go right to my video guy right now and go, hey, third and three runs in trips left in this personnel. Show me all the runs. I get them in 10 seconds. What the heck? I don't need to stay there all –

Oh, you're saying there's a lot of wasted time? You're saying, Coach, you're saying there's a lot of wasted time? There's a lot of wasted time. No. Yeah, a lot of guys don't want to be home with the family. No. T-Bud. That's the truth.

So one thing that Dick LeBeau used to always say is that you got to know that you know. You can always look at film, but you have to know that you know. And then once you do that, are they going to give you a different formation? Absolutely. But then your base rule should get you to the down. Are they going to give you a different defense? Maybe a different blitz you haven't seen on offense? Absolutely. But then your base rule should get you through the down. Are they going to give you a different defense that may be a different blitz

you haven't seen on offense? Absolutely. But then your base rule should get you through it. Then you can come back and talk about it. That's like the basis of football. That's Dick LeBeau's version of it.

Football is a simple game that's not easy to play at a high level on a consistent basis. What's this new gig with the XFL? Obviously, head coach. Do you have any head coaches that you want to model your style after?

I'm a Tony Dungy Dick LeBeau guy. I don't get really, I don't get real fired up, but I really got real fired up as a player. I'm not a holler and a screamer. I'm a matter-of-fact type of guy. I'm going to tell my guys hey, you can do it. Do it this way. If you want to do it your own way, you better get it done. If you don't get it

done, you're going to be sitting beside me. If you don't sit beside me, you're going to get cut. Those are the options. So those are the options. And I think what you should always do as a coach, you should always pick coaches where you're not always the smartest person in the room. you should always pick coaches where you're not always the smartest person in the room. I mean, I've got some OG coaches that have been in the league for a while, so they understand football, and I'm not going to have to look over their shoulders to make sure they're doing the right thing. It sounds like a great culture you're building over there.

Which team are you the head coach for at the XFL? It's going to be the Vegas team. We're going to show our colors and all that stuff next week. We're going to give our name next week, but it's going to be the Vegas team. We're going to show our colors and all that stuff next week. We're going to give our name next week, but it's going to be the Vegas team. Oh, it's a good name? You have the best. I think, yeah, we've got a nice name, and I think we've got the best uniforms in the league. That's a big deal.

That's a big deal for people picking which team they're going to be a fan of. That's the first thing I look at. Who's got the nicest shit? It seems like they have a good name, too. You might build an entire brand. Are you GM as well? Because I remember the last XFL head coach also GM. Is that real?

Well, we got a DPP, which is kind of like our GM, and Joey Klinscale, who played with me in Pittsburgh, and then we finished up with the Raiders together in personnel. He was one of the personnel guys. So we kind of see the game together. We see it kind of like Pittsburgh trying to get the best athlete on the field. And when you get a lot of good athletes on the field, a lot of good things can happen.

Just got to get everybody going in the right direction. Sounds like they got a coach that's going to fit. I got a DB coach for you out there, Tavon Branch. I know you're familiar with him. He told me he's getting that itch to coach. What? Yeah. So I'm going to have him reach out to you. Branch? Yeah. Branch wants to coach. Yep. He said he getting that itch to coach. What? Yeah. So I'm going to have him reach out to you.

Branch? Yeah. Branch wants to coach. Yep. He said he got that itch. Hey, tell him to hit me up. Here we go. Hey, good friend.

Good friend. Good coach. Good team. Hey, what's going on? We're pulling for the Vegas. Woodson's. Gomblers. The Vegas.

Aces. I can tell you this. It's a dangerous name. Oh. Pretty great. Dude. They got the Vegas Rattlesnakes out there, dude. Hey, they got a championship parade with the Aces.

So, Aces championship coach out there now. Hey, they did. That was a hell of a parade out there. It seems like Vegas is excited for this. Hopefully, the XFL squad with Rod Woodson goes on and not only takes an identity of the coach, but of the whole league. Why not just represent the entire league, this Vegas squad? Have Dwayne Johnson out there cutting fucking promos in the middle of Vegas. It'll be amazing.

A couple of the boys have some questions for you. Is that all right, Rod? Yeah, let's do it. Go ahead, Ty. Rod, has anything changed going from coaching in the NFL to going to the xfl where it's a developmental league and some of the guys maybe you know i mean obviously you're still gonna hold them to a standard but the guys that aren't necessarily ready to play in the nfl just yet like

does that change your coaching style at all no it doesn't change because you still want them to be a better version of themselves tomorrow than they are today. And the only way you can do that is be honest with them. And it is a development league. I mean, if you think about the NFL, their development league is college. And a lot of those guys who come out early, they can't go back to college. And they need another year or two, and they don't get it in the National Football League. Because the National Football League has been played over 100 100 years so they're not going to wait on you to to develop so this is a place where guys can still develop maybe mentally physically

emotionally whatever it might be but it's you know for us as coaches we still need to hold them at a standard to be the better version of themselves and whatever that is that's what's going to be listen the best of the best of the best of the best in the world play in the National Football League. So we're not going to have those guys. We're going to have guys who can play, but they might need a little help here and there. And I think we've got to be honest with the guys when they're moving forward.

Coach, I don't want to give you any ideas because you know football much better than I do. So I would be ignorant to even start saying this. This is as a spectator of all these spring leagues, okay? We need a mobile quarterback. We need a guy that can move, okay? Because you're getting what? The NFL has three guys on each roster, basically.

That's 32 teams. That's 96 quarterbacks that are already taken, let alone a training camp when every team has five guys. That's like what? You start doing 160 quarterbacks are already gone. For the XFL camp when every team has five guys. That's like what? You start doing 160. Quarterbacks are already gone. For the XFL, which quarterbacks you got to get? In the offensive line, you're not going to be able to get as much,

you know, synergy together. So you need a guy that can move. You need a guy that can move. It feels like every league we watch, the quarterback who's the best athlete, who can make the throws, obviously got to be able to make some throws. The best athlete and quarterback, I like they usually ends up having success coach you're absolutely right that's our key your key hire for any league you got to get a quarterback

you got to get the quarterback that's mobile and and i mean think about i mean all the quarterbacks that can sit in the pocket they're they're they now, right? I mean, the old school philosophy has kind of gone away where these new school quarterbacks who can extend plays, like think about what Kyra Murray did last week. He had a 20-second play. You can't cover nobody for 20 seconds in the National Football League. But that's what you have to do nowadays. And when you can find guys like that, man,

they just add value to your football team. Let's go, Vegas mobsters. Yeah. Oh. Oh, no, no, I'm not mobbed. You can't. I think that would be – it is dangerous, though. It is dangerous, but it's not dangerous in that direction.

Got it. Connor, your question for Rod Woodson, Hall of Famer. Yeah, Rod, you mentioned having a bunch of OGs on your coaching staff. How do you feel about some of these new coaches that are becoming head coaches like McDaniel and Hackett? Because we were talking about how Hackett has kind of gone in his press conferences saying he thinks he can do better and all those types of things. Sorry about that.

Yeah, you know, I'll say this, and I'm not going to disparage about coaching or young coaches. I learned all my real knowledge from older coaches because they've been there and they've done it. They had those wars throughout their younger careers, and now they realize what really works in a national football league. I always learn from my older coaches. I didn't learn anything from a young coach.

Not saying that I couldn't. I just think a young coach still is learning, still developing as a coach. And some of them are really good play callers. But at the end of the day, your head coach doesn't need to be a play caller. Your head coach needs to be a person who can lead 53 men to play for not the name on their back, but to play for the name on the front and to play for a common deed to play together. That's hard to do. That's why all these coaches get fired every two to three years

because they can't bring everybody together. You have to bring everybody together to make them play as a whole, and if they can't play as a whole, they're going to lose. Well, I can't wait to watch the Vegas – Gangsters. Marauders. Vegas Marauders. Not bad.

What did you say? You said a name the first time. Renegades. There we go. You should be the Renegades. You should be the Renegades, but it's not. But somebody mentioned something at the very beginning, so that was the closest that you got. We'll figure it out.

We don't need you to be the guy telling us because we don't put you on any hot seats early here with the XFL. But I can't wait to see what the name is. Can't wait to see you kind of transcend the game over there in the XFL. And can't wait to watch your football life this Friday, 9 p.m., on NFL Network. I've heard the cameos are amazing. You obviously had a very long, successful career. And everybody loved either playing alongside you or coaching you. A football life is quite an honor.

I assume that you were excited to do that alongside NFL Films and NFL Network. Yeah, I didn't know they wanted to have a football life of a boring person. I'm like, man, I don't, you know, I just, I'm not flashy. You know, I don't wear jewelry. I don't, you know, I just, I'm not, I'm not flashy. You know, I don't wear jewelry. I don't do crazy things. I'm just a country boy from Indiana. You know, that's, you know, my, my whole life has been based on my faith and my family. So like, you know, why they want to do a story on me.

I'm like, oh yeah, we can do a story. Sure. Let's do it. Hey, I'm sure it was, it was fun though. It was fun. No, people need to hear that story. Rod. Let's do it. Hey, I'm sure it's going to be. It was fun, though. It was fun. No, people need to hear that story, Rod. People need to hear that. People need to remember how great you were not only on the field,

but what you're going to do for the game as a whole. We appreciate your time here, and thank you for the kind words at the beginning. I appreciate you guys. Love the show. Keep it up, fellas. You got it. Ladies and gentlemen, Hall of Famer, and now XFL head coach of the Vegas Rattlesn it. Ladies and gentlemen, Hall of Famer and now XFL head coach of the Vegas

Rattlesnakes. Ladies and gentlemen, Rod Woodson. Yeah! Football! That a baby, AJ. Let's go, AJ. I made it. I'm going to have to get the timing deck done.

Foxy pieced that together in beautiful fashion while also dealing with all the NFL Fil films requests. Foxy, great work on that. Hey, that'll be it, Foxy. Thank you, boys. We might get a little bit more vocal cues to get Nick back there to know whenever he's going to turn on the microphone. He's also sitting behind the entire space operation back there. It's going to take

us to the next level. It's going to take some time, but we're always joined by a man who's the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, a quarterback on the field for the defensive side. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor. How many times, AJ, you beat COVID? A couple, two or three maybe. 15.

That's right, AJ. Talks to table at Boss Conner at Ty Schmidt and a man who hosts the Man to Man podcast, a man who also hosts NFL matchups on ESPN and ESPN+. Of course. At one point was known as one of the most athletic people walking this earth. Yeah. A man who's going to break down a lot of secondary coverage for us here in a little bit. Probably about 55 minutes or so, 50 minutes.

Really take this Wednesday into a beautiful evening. Darius J. Butler. Yeah, D-Bud. Over two. The internet's cooking you right now. Be like that sometimes. Are we including the throws? Shoot or shoot, man. Your next shot's your best shot. You're about to drain something here

and all these people sending those tweets are going to be on freezing cold takes. You know what I mean? They're going to be on freezing cold takes. The boys in the back, Foxy, Zito, and Nick, appreciate everybody's hard work on this Wednesday. We got Todd Haley joining us in about 25 minutes. Todd Haley coached for both the Steelers and the Browns. He has a Thursday show that takes place noon to 3, I believe, on SiriusXM.

So we might have put a request in for him on Thursday, tomorrow, and did like the most disrespectful thing of all time. Like, yeah, I have a show on most of that. So we do apologize for that, Todd Haley. He's going to give us a great conversation about this game that's going to kick off week three tomorrow night in about 25 minutes. But we have other NFL stories we have to cover. Joe Hayden is retiring as a Brown after 12 years in the NFL.

Congrats to Joe on this decision. There you this decision uh darius you're here it's a perfect day for this joe hayden obviously a corner he came on this show and said he's never moving to safety he said if i can't be a corner anymore i'm done when that day comes i'll recognize it i'll know it he feels like that's now what was joe hayden as a corner and is this guy going to go down as one of the all-time greats you think well i mean first of all he made quarterback money top 10 uh old cba but he came in lived up to all the hype coming out of florida man ball for 12 years um 150 i saw some stats yeah 155 pass deflections almost 29 interceptions i mean he put together a great career anybody who's followed football, you know, the players,

universally respected around the game, played it the right way, and, you know, going out on his own terms. Let's see it. 155 passes deflected or defended? What is the action? Defended. Defended. 155 is a lot. For those of us that might not know, 158 games, 615 tackles,

14 tackles for loss, seven forced fumbles, six fumble recoveries, three sacks, two touchdowns, three-time pro bowler, one-time all-pro, 155 passes defended, 29 interceptions. 155 is a lot of fucking passes. That's a lot of fucking... Is that PBUs? That's PBUs. I believe they may have lumped interceptions in there, too, so they may overlap.

I'm not sure. But, yeah, that's just getting your hand on the ball. And I don't know where that 155 ranks, but I'm sure in his time in his tenure, it's got to be top three. Oh, Ritz like that. Yeah, it's got to be top three. Joe Hayden, absolute dog. Great shoe game too, AJ.

And I know in Ohio he was beloved. He's retiring as a Brown. I think some Steelers fans were a little confused by that, but he was with the Cleveland Browns a long time. Yeah, he was. I think at least around here in Ohio, people have always loved Joe Hayden. When he was playing in Pittsburgh, they still loved him, but they were torn because obviously he was their guy from Cleveland.

So, yeah, I think it's cool to see. I think the dude could still play, though, if he wanted to. Well, congrats to him. Congrats to Joe. Thanks for coming on the show, being great with us, being great in the NFL community and impacting every team, it feels like, in a positive way. Everybody that's ever played with him, right, says he's a cool dude. Yeah.

I didn't know he was a top ten pick. Got a full top ten pick. Yeah, I think he was seven. Could have very easily been an asshole with how athletic he is, how good he is, top ten pick. And instead, everybody talks about how much they love him. Congrats to Joe Hayden. Can't wait to see what you do next, dude. Can't wait to see what you do next.

Hell yeah. What if Joe Hayden just Can't wait to see what you do next, dude. Can't wait to see what you do next. Hell yeah. What if Joe Hayden just becomes like the next bazillionaire? Yeah. Invent something. He could be the president. Yeah. Maybe he's the next president. He could, you know, start.

Well, I don't know. Could he be the next president? They've already started campaigning. He probably couldn't be the next president, but. I hate presidents. Is he 35? Is he 35? Played 12 years.

Drafted early. What does that be? 34 probably? He came out of two years. So he's got to start campaigning now, getting to know the political game. And then in four years, five years, then he goes for president. He's 33 years old, so he can't be president yet. Oh, yeah.

All right. So, hey, sorry. Hey, Joe, sorry. Not going to be fucking president. Hope you're happy. Can't even do it, Joe. Can't wait to see what it is. But making that decision to retire is a big one.

It is a very big one. A lot of emotion goes into it. It's a lot of, like, even for me, and I didn't grow up in the football culture my entire life, but even for me, it was like, man, do I really want to stop doing what I'm recognized as? Like, that's even a deeper philosophy question that everybody kind of stares down when they're deciding to hang them up. Now, sometimes the league will tell you when. sometimes you'll be forced out of a job you won't be able to resign and then that becomes you know some grudges and jade gets built up by players because it's the first time they've ever been told they haven't been good but guys that kind of can come

back i think he's going to rehab right now right i think i think he's healthy i'm not sure i'm not positive but i don't know i don't probably just not the right you know right? I think he's healthy. I'm not sure. I'm not positive. I don't know. Probably just not the right situation popped up. And then once you get into a certain point in the season, you're probably like, all right, you don't want to be in limbo. Because, I mean, I feel like I've had conversations with guys where they're like, if nobody calls me by this date, I'm good with it being done.

So if there's no injury. What if a contender calls him late in the year? That's what i'm saying right now because i'm giving this entire speech about how when like retirement you've thought about it a lot if you actually announce your retirement which he has not done yet this has been a leak i guess he has not officially announced it so we got to hear from his own words but like that takes a lot to get to that point like a lot lifestyle family what you're going to do what's your purpose everything like all that shit comes into play so like when Gronkowski retired the first time with his back injury and everybody's like he'll be back he'll be back I wasn't as sold because I know guys

really you know belabor the conversation with themselves on whether they should retire he comes back he retires again I think he was reminded of everything he didn't necessarily love whenever he's in the league gets another Super Bowl he retires so just I think he was reminded of everything he didn't necessarily love whenever he's in the league. Gets another Super Bowl, he retires. So just automatically assuming guys are going to come back, I think is a wrong thing to do. But if he's healthy, Bills, call him. Or Tom in Tampa again.

Hopefully we'll be able to ask him. Hopefully we'll be able to ask him. Even after Gronk's second time, he retired, right? Wasn't it his girlfriend or somebody who came out and was like, yeah, I still don't actually think he's done yet. And who says he's not? Like the Bucks are 2-0. What happened to Gronk?

What's Gronk doing? Is Gronk on TV somewhere? He's doing the watch-alongs with the UFC. Are they still doing those? I think so. Were they broke to Tom Brady stuff? Are those still continuing? I don't know if it's happened since then.

I know there's been a few UFC events and it hasn't happened, right? Yeah, it has. So maybe it's only the big ones. Like, for instance, breaking news out of the fight world, Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor boxing again. Floyd Mayweather told a source. The source then reported that Floyd told him he didn't know if it was going to be an exhibition or an actual fight,

preferably an exhibition, so Floyd probably doesn't want to even have to dance with potentially, you know, ruining his record at all, his perfection. Floyd Mayweather has now declared that Conor McGregor rematch is in final negotiations to potentially take place in 2023. He said, we don't know. It's going to be an exhibition or a real fight, but there's been talks of both. I would prefer an exhibition, says Floyd Mayweather. I do believe Logan Paul in his promo last Friday night in SmackDown said, this is what I do. I come into genres and I challenge the best in the world

because now he's fighting Roman Reigns at Crown Jewel or whatever. He said Floyd Mayweather still hasn't paid him. So Floyd Mayweather's setting up a new fight. Still hasn't paid Logan Paul. But that last Conor McGreggregor floyd mayweather boxing match i just bought into the conor mcgregor hype because i didn't know about the boxing world and every boxing expert said 15 rounds of boxing is a different type of cardio we understand that ufc and mixed martial arts is very difficult but 15 rounds is a long time to be doing something

and they all thought that he'd be shot round four round five round six he made it to like round 11 he was that he was really going and then he you know they ended the fight and he said at least let me woobo back to me corner he said he thought he still had it so i think all boxing enthusiasts and everybody that saw the first fight would assume that floyd mayweather will win this thing but i like that they're both going back to the bank this is a huge cash in for both them, and we'll all buy it regardless. Yep, money grab. They'll probably get my $75. Me too.

Absolutely. Me too. They'll get my money, AJ. Oh, yeah. So, Conor's still with the UFC, so Dana has to be on board with this as well. Just like last time, right? Does he have a contract still? Does he have fights left on his contract?

Actually, I don't know because is he out of the testing protocol? Is that why these pictures pop up and he looks jacked? Is he not being tested now? Yeah, and USADA's wanting to fucking get you, right? Not that Conor's on anything. Don't come wake him up. You've got to do your wear and bounce, everything. The pictures are very damning.

He's a billionaire now. He's a billionaire now at this point. He's got vascularity on his abs now at this point. That's impressive. He's on his yacht. He's living. And obviously, it's completely clean. And if he has any UFC fights left, he's still in the USADA testing program, I'd assume.

So who knows what the whole deal is. So will there be testing for the fight? See, that's why it's exhibition or real fight. Exhibition means no testing, right? Because then you don't have to get it sanctioned. Let's do an exhibition, guys. Let's see both of them weigh 220. See how they do. I want vascularity

on every ab. You know what I mean? That's what I would like for myself. I assume Conor's thinking the same thing. It appears that he's going for it. His cardio is going to be the big question. And I think if you talk about the legitimacy of the fight, cardio is going to be the big question for Conor. He's been waking up in yachts and living his best life, but so

is Floyd. So is Floyd. So I guess it's a good test at this point. I believe Floyd did say, hey, for the right price, like, fuck it, I'll put 50-0 on the line. I'll do that, whatever. So we'll see what the purse ends up being, but you talk about Conor, you know, you want to see him at 220. He weighs 220 right now.

At least. Huge. Like, that guy's usually fighting at 145, 155. He weighs 220 pounds right now. We don't know how tall he is. How tall is Conor McGregor? 5'10", 5'11"? Is he a taller guy? Floyd's kind of what?

5'8"? Floyd's small, too. 5'7"? I thought they were similar. I guess 5'9". I just always assume that the 140-pounders and 155-pounders of the UFC, if we were to see them in person and they had real ears, didn't have the cauliflower ear,

we'd be like, look at that tiny little person. That's what we'd say. And then that person would fucking break both of our arms and knock us out and then spit on us on the way out. Like that is... Yeah, from Oklahoma in the bathroom last year. Bingo. That's exactly how it goes.

So I always assume they're kind of smaller. Still can beat the fuck out of me. Not saying that. But I thought they were all, you're saying Conor's a little bit taller. Is that the thing? Maybe he's not, though. I don't know. Because I guess I'm just thinking.

140 pounds is tiny. So small. That is so small. That is seventh, eighth grade for me. Like Sugar Sean, you know? He's lanky. He's a little bit taller. He's got a

a long reach for whatever reason i haven't seen him fight in the octagon in so long but i felt like that was kind of his big thing too is that he did have like a substantial reach advantage over the guys in his fight nonetheless what um floyd and connor both humped each other in the middle of that fight last time the boxing match yep at one point they were both bent over and humping each other do you remember that? It was a real show. Yeah. Remember,

Connor kept getting behind him and almost grabbing him. But the marketing press conference run was amazing. Yeah, that will be awesome. The fight will be one thing, but watching them cut promos against each other

will be incredible. It's a full spectacle. Yeah. Remember that time? I mean, there was... Yeah, weasel, you don't fucking do nothing. It was the guy from Showtime that he called a rat or a weasel.

The guy was sitting on the end. The promoter? Yeah, he'll sit there and do nothing and like that type of shit. If they're going to do that again, let's go. I am all in for this in the sports world. I mean, the last UFC fight he fought and he threw that full monster can across the press room, almost hit

someone in the head and the back. He plays no games. He's putting on a show when he goes out there and when he goes in the ring. Yeah, I mean, who cares? These guys fight anywhere in a parking lot. People will buy it. And congrats to Conor because he's already comfortable boxing. He's done a boxing match that's gone 12 rounds or whatever it was.

And he doesn't have to worry about breaking his ankles or his shins. And he'll make a lot of money. A lot of money. Biggest payday. The second biggest pay And he doesn't have to worry about breaking his ankles or his shins. And they'll make a lot of money. A lot of money. Biggest payday he'll ever have. Unless Proper 12. They sold Proper 12, didn't they? I think they sold Proper 12. He got a big fucking payday out of that.

$500 million. Big money from that. What is it? The Forged Inn or something over there? His bar? What is it called? Oh, I don't know. I know, though.

He doesn't mess around. He flew 10 of his buddies private from Ireland when he wanted to go attack that bus and take the dolly and try to throw it through the window. He's one of one. One of one. That documentary about him, Notorious, so cool. Him sleeping in the attic of his mom's house while he's training, making next to nothing. It's crazy. All the way through all of it.

Food stamps. We have some breaking news in this particular conversation. Floyd Mayweather might have told people that it was on. Conor McGregor says, hashtag not interested. Got to take the ticker down. Hashtag not interested, says Conor McGregor. Come on, Conor. All right, Conor.

All right. Is this leverage? Smart. Smart negotiation. Yeah, I was going to say, right. Not interested right. Is this leverage? Smart. Smart negotiator. Yeah, I was going to say, right, not interested. They give him $75 million. I'm sure he'll be interested. He might like being 220.

He's a good businessman. Is he going to do numbers, though? Is he going to do numbers like the last one, though? He's a great businessman. He is an incredible businessman. Conor was almost the prime of his career back then. Not the prime, but he was hot back then when they fought. He still is Conor McGregor, but he hasn't been as active lately.

Think about it. How long ago was that? Four years ago? 18, yeah. I think four years. A lot could change in four years, I guess. But also, I'd still watch it. You got me watching.

I'll fucking buy it immediately. Here we go. Let's go for it. All right, let's bounce around the NFL a little bit. There was a trade earlier today that we did not talk about in the NFL. Oh. A trade happened in the NFL. Oh. A trade happened in the NFL. I think it was Patriots-Raiders.

I think. I'm not. Really? I think so. Can we get Darren Waller? No. Oh, fuck. Renfro.

Renfro. Really? No. No. No. Devontae? No, no. Max Crosby?

No. Chandler? No. Chandler. Derek? Abram? He seems to be playing. Remember a couple years ago, Hard Knocks.

I was like, oh, this guy's the worst guy to ever grace a team. Yeah. Why would anybody want to have this guy on your team? Oh, I go hard. Okay, we all fucking go hard, pal. You're spearing people in practice in a walkthrough. Anybody could do that. It's the NFL.

Oh, I'm trying to make a name for myself. Okay, cool. Fucking make plays on the field. Gets injured early, right? Almost becomes something. It seems like he was making plays for the Raiders this past weekend, like flying all over the place. He might have matured into a real fucking player over there.

He flies around. He's one of those guys you've got to just put in the right situation and let him fly around and just be a heat-sickening missile. Fun player to watch? Can't be. Once again, if he's in the right situation, you don't want him in a lot of coverage on an island covering guys. But you can definitely find a way to win. First round pick for a reason.

I like the way people are gassing him up, though, in hard knocks for hitting. Like, yeah, this is what we need. We need this. It's like, bro, anybody can fucking blindside a guy in a wall. I could do that. Literally, the punter could go do that. Let's not get crazy. It feels like he maybe matured into his role in this new period of McDaniels running things,

and a new team might be great for him. And he's one of the guys, too, that they didn't pick up his fifth-year option. So it really is like a, hey, if you don't have the best year that you've had, there's McDaniels and Wolfe, they have no allegiance to you whatsoever. Josh Jacobs, same thing. Yeah, exactly. The trade was not for any of these guys we just talked about. It was actually for the Raiders are we just talked about. Come on.

It was actually for the Raiders are trading for Patriots offensive tackle Justin Heron with the teams flipping picks in 2024. Some solid tackle depth. So the Raiders just lose to the Cardinals, obviously, this past weekend in a game that they should have won. Who knows what this Raiders team is going to be, but you guys hope they suck next year so this ends up being a great pick. Yeah, not even next year.

Hopefully later in the year. They really just quit on the season because I think we get them like week 14, week 15. Oh, hair and revenge game? Yeah, bet on a tackle score when the Patriots play the Raiders because I assume you will. Alright, let's bounce around a little bit more. Eli Manning went undercover at Penn State

as a walk-on named Chad Powers. This was awesome. Normally these types of gimmick things I hate. I think the internet makes too big of a deal out of them. I understand it's a big name, but normally it's way too corny, way too forced, and obviously staged. Chad Powers with that fucking makeup, that nose, that hair. You could tell it was Eli when he was throwing, AJ.

Could tell it was Eli when he was throwing. But everything else, especially with the way he was acting and talking I don't think it's I don't blame anybody on campus for not knowing why is Eli Manning here at a fucking walk-on tryout what a great job by all parties involved there yeah that was incredible and I don't know if uh I think there's a chance that maybe like the QB coach that was there running everything he I don't know if he was in on it maybe he was i know he had no idea yeah exactly he had no idea but to your point too uh i think it's already you know jump the shark territory because i've seen a couple places like oh we'd like chad powers we want to do more with that so don't do it yeah exactly it was great ruin it eli eli knows it yeah he knows

eli knows the mannings though other people might want to do it. Eli knows it. Yeah. He knows it. Eli knows the Mannings, though. Other people might want to do it and might get Chad Powers in there for a workout. The Mannings, though, that was a home run. Can't go any better than it went. Let's not run this thing in the ground. Yeah, and Eli, like everything he said in response to the coach's real questions, like where did you play high school ball? I was homeschooled.

Oh, who was your teacher? My mom. Aubrey's Raids. Bad. Bad. Bad teacher because she was also my football coach. Good coach. Good coach.

He crushed it. Everything he did was hilarious. I loved it, AJ. Normally that type of shit we hate. That one seemed to be glorious. Fast chat. Fast chat. Because Eli and Peyton both, like, you talk to people that play with Eli,

they're like, man, this dude is awesome. He's very funny. They all love him. And I like that we get to see that. That's why I think he's great with his brother there on the Manning cast. I also enjoy the fact that they get access to – look at this fucking guy. Hey, how you doing, man? That's the other quarterback.

He's so tall. That's a walk-on quarterback. And that face, can we pause it right on his face when he's looking at the camera maybe? We'll figure it out. We'll find a time. It does have an archie manning look oh yeah but nobody this generation has a clue what archie manning used to look like they only see him now look at that can you tell that's you can't fucking tell that's

eli i don't think like no way that nose is hollywood done yeah some good prosthetics man it does look like a witchy nose and the hair flow is great, and the accent's fantastic, and him committing to the bit. The throws, I, you know, we go into watching it, we're told it's Eli Manning. Right. But him throw, I think his throw is a pretty distinct throw. Yeah, how he holds the ball.

Yes. When he holds it up like, that is like, okay, that's Eli. So the quarterback coach, or if it's just a GA running the workout, not necessarily the quarterback coach or whatever, this guy, him not knowing it made me be like, this guy doesn't know fucking football. That's Eli Manning. But everything else I think he would have got by on.

He thought he found a diamond in the rough. Oh, my God. I like his powers, kid. We're going to win this shit, though. Where'd you go to school just so I can say that I fucking recruited you? I was homeschooled. All right, I am the homeschool recruiting coordinator. That is.

Yeah, Solomon of Pankhurst. That is an accurate read there. What a time. He should have said, yeah, I modeled my game after Eli Manning so that when he was throwing the ball, the coach was like, shit, he looks like the second coming of Eli Manning. I assume Eli had a full answer ready to go if they did say it was Eli Manning and prepared, but never got to that point. That was just like Aaron. Whenever he said immunized.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. He said, hey, I had a full, if any. Follow up. If they asked, I'd answer. Do your job. It's a plant, AJ. It's not a drug, asshole.

That was you that said that, man. You're the one that keeps, you're casting spells everywhere you go. Well, the way words are spelled is because they're casting spells and they're trying to make a program like a television. They're trying to program you. I mean, that is – That's right. I got friends that don't even say good morning anymore.

Did you just watch the football show? No, they just don't say good morning. Oh, so they say – Why would we celebrate morning? Because you're celebrating life. That's with a U, though. It's a spell, all right? You're right. don't put that spell on me you're right hey great rising king oh oh great rising okay oh rising like the bills i might say the buffalo north dakota state bison is that what you're

saying oh no i was talking about that thing. I was thinking about Kaizen. Kaizen. Excuse me. Always getting better. Yes. Always evolving. That's a Buffalo Bills mantra. Not riding the roller coaster. Man, so mourning is a little sad if you put the U in there, but whenever you say it, you can't tell how it's being spelled.

So we should be saying, hey, great celebration. Yeah, but what if it was a good mourning, like someone terrible died? Yeah. Well, then you're not going to mourn that. Boom. Hitler dies. Larry Hall. Boom. good morning like someone terrible died yeah okay well then you're not gonna mourn though boom mourn that hitler dies larry hall boom great morning huh yeah but you're not mourning at all because mourning means grief caring yeah you're right d but i can't believe it i can't believe we've been saying that for this whole time the sun is up the sun sun has risen. Yeah. Yeah, but good day.

Good rising. Every new beginning comes from. Yeah, good rising. There we go. Good rising. Good day, I think. Great wake. Top of the morning, lad. Congratulations.

We're alive. Can't say wake because. Yeah, it's a funeral. No. We'll figure it out. We'll get to the bottom of it. We'll let everybody know how they should fucking greet each other before noon. Sounds good.

We'll figure it out here by the end of the show, and I can't wait for it. It might be a part of everything DB. There is some news around the NFL. An appeal has been denied by Mike Evans of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was suspended one game for what happened on the field with Marshawn Lattimore. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are playing against the Green Bay Packers. That's why you heard the celebration from Ty Schmidt. Now, interesting little tidbit about this.

Runyon, who is the punisher for the NFL for this type of thing, who rained down the initial one-game suspension, has a son who plays for the Packers, who the Buccaneers are playing this weekend. Now, Runyon was not the one that heard the appeal. It was somebody else that was independently selected by the NFL and the NFLPA. Heard the appeal yesterday, has upheld the ruling Mike Evans will be suspended a game, which doesn't just mean that the Buccaneers are out Mike Evans against the Packers. He's also losing a game check, which is no fun for anybody. Tampa Bay has Cole Beasley on their squad now. Is Cole Beasley the next Wes Welker? Is Cole Beasley on their squad now is Cole Beasley the next Wes Welker is Cole Beasley

the next Julian Edelman is he the next Danny Amendola is Scotty Miller gonna also fill that role we find out that this weekend against the Green Bay Packers AJ Hawk yeah I think for Mike Evans yeah he's losing a game check which absolutely sucks hopefully big checks uh yeah the team's gonna miss him but you know what it was worth it I think he did the right thing. I understand, yeah, in the back, he's protecting his quarterback. Whatever you can do to protect your teammates and your quarterback goes a long way. Mike Evans has a history of doing this, and I think everybody knows and respects him on that team.

He actually said to the ref, it's Tom Brady, what do you want me to do? That's real. What do you want me to do? He's a repeat offender, they said, because he had done this to the same exact guy on a sideline in a 30-3 loss to the Saints just a few years

back. Bruce Arians, allegedly via Antonio Brown, has been written up. Antonio Brown said, per sources, the league has wrote a letter to Bruce Arians for his actions on the sidelines and say that he will have to change the way it goes because he instigated

this entire fight against Marshawn Latimer. That's via Antonio Brown's Twitter account. He does have sources. I would assume that is potentially the case. And if something's happened with Bruce Arians, somebody's going to tell AB about it. But Mike Evans did what I think a lot of teammates would hope that their teammates would do if the starting quarterback is in the middle of a fuck you bitch fest with Marshawn Lattimore, a person you already have beef with. Did Lattimore get anything for that punch on Fournette? He got ejected

too. No fine, right? He's gotta get fined. I like that this happened though. I love it. I enjoy the hell out of it. I like that B.A. was even talking shit on the sideline. Joining us now is a man who knows B.A. very well. Also a man who. was even talking shit on the sideline. Joining us now is a man who knows B.A. very well. Also a man who I've seen talk shit on the sideline.

Who will mix it up if he has to. Been a head coach before. Been an offensive guru. He's an absolute stallion. Friend of the program. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who's coached not only with the Steelers, but also with the Browns ahead of their big matchup tomorrow, Todd Haley. Hey, Todd!

Todd, what's up, man? I do not make as much noise as A.k on the golf course though whoa what happened where'd we learn that case uh did you did you golf with him tahoe he's the tahoe he's the monica salas of uh guy golfers uh well let's talk about ba a man you know well uh he mixes it up there with Marshawn Lattimore. A fight starts. Mike Evans does his thing. He gets fined, or he gets suspended. Find a game check, obviously.

We love it. AJ just said he loves it. I love it. I'd assume you guys have been around football a long time. Mike Evans had to do that, and Mike Evans expected to do that, and not nobody cares in that building. Right, Todd? Yeah, no. I mean mean it's Tom Brady and you know however it started whether it was BA or whether it was

Lattimore saying something to Tom whatever it was Tom turned around pretty quick but when you're talking about that guy I thought it was great I mean it was it was hockey on the football field i mean you you have to protect you have to protect your players okay so let's start talking about tomorrow night's game because obviously you've been with pittsburgh and with cleveland and we're going to talk to you about a lot of things because todd we fucking love the way your brain works pal and we have a lot of questions for it tomorrow both these teams are kind of going through shit right now pittsburgh new quarterback for the first time in a long time. Fans are chanting for the backup.

Obviously, you've got different injuries taking place. The offensive coordinator is getting run through the mud through all of the injuries for that lackluster offense. And then in Cleveland, they've got a players-only meeting already happening after week two. What's your read as a man who's been in both organizations on how tomorrow night's probably going to go, well it's par for the course if you're the coordinator for the steelers uh you're going to get run through the mud some even even when you score 40 some points but um

and break every record every offensive record there was but that's neither here nor there um you know i think right now without Deshaun Watson in there, they're very similar teams. They're teams, and there's a number of teams in this situation that have to play really good defense, play it a little closer to the vest on offense, run the football, and make less mistakes than your opponent. Are the Browns better on paper?

Probably because of the offensive line and the running backs. I mean, that two-headed monster is really good. But, you know, both these teams have to play the same brand of football. And I know the Yenzers in Pittsburgh are screaming, we need to be aggressive, we need to do this. But yes yes the Steeler receivers have to do more uh to help Trubisky but at the same time I mean I I don't think this can ever be a wide open team right now with the Steelers and and I don't think the Browns can be wide open with Brissette at quarterback and I really like that uh that fit for him with the Browns right now until we get to Deshaun and see what he looks like. But play good defense. Run the football.

Don't make mistakes. And I know it's conservative, but, you know, I went into last week the Pat Steelers, and I'm like, nobody's going to score 20 points. You know, and it's like the Seattle-Denver game. Going for it on fourth and one with six minutes left in the third quarter when Denver did. I mean, Geno Smith was not going to lay 30 points on you, even though he started the game well. You have to understand what it's going to take to win each and every game,

and Mike Tomlin does a great job of that. If they don't muff a punt and don't turn it over, the Steelers had a very good chance to win that game. It's just, it's not flashy or pretty, but I think that's the way the games are going to have to look. The Browns had the game in hand and what they do in the back end, this has continued for a couple of years now. I mean, they have to get that sorted out because they got a great front, but what they're doing back there i mean when you're letting guys run untouched uncovered for the easiest touchdowns you ever score i mean it's just crazy todd what yeah what do you think that is we've seen more like crazy ending games we've seen

free runners which is something you don't we don't tend to see i feel like in the nfl early this season i don't know why it just seems like a lot of them have popped up more than usual. Is there a reason for that? It's coaches trying to be more important than they probably should be. Keep it simple. Let guys play fast. Don't make them worry about a lot of things. You know, but I think, you know, when you have all this time in the offseason, all these coaches, and they're good coaches. I'm not saying bad coaching is going on but you

you just you know parcells taught me this for many many years i mean you better you don't blame it on the players you know make sure you're doing things that they can do to be successful play fast physical uh when you see guys point at each other like you saw in the ravens game uh marcus peter i mean everybody's pointing the finger at somebody else. I mean, you're probably doing, I'm guessing you're probably doing too much or asking the players to do too much. Yeah, because they clearly can't understand what's going on. And I think if anybody's clear-minded, it's a much better football player

than if you have to think or overreact too much. We're talking to Todd Haley, been a head coach in the NFL, been an offensive guru, broke records with the Pittsburgh Steelers as their offense coordinator. I head coach in the NFL been an offensive guru broke records with the Pittsburgh Steelers as their offense coordinator I learned that in the beginning of this whole thing got fucking ran out of town I love everything about it Pittsburgh is a tough place to play let's talk about uh or coach let's talk about some rookie head coaches here at the beginning uh week one rookie head coaches were doing great then we had the nathaniel hackett situation with russell wilson in a 64 yard field goal now if that 64 yard field goal goes in he's a genius if not obviously

everybody's calling in to question everything when you become a head coach and you have to take on he's doing the play calling duties and the situational awareness and trying to lead the crew how much is that and how difficult is that to kind of get a hold of because he's saying i think to a lot of stuff and darius's first response was we don't need you fucking thinking pal let's get a little confidence in here how long is that going to take you think for nathaniel hackett or any of these other young guys to kind of find the find the waters level almost see that's why we connect because some of my most hated words in the vocabulary are thank, hope, maybe. You know, you do not want to hear those words.

You know, to me it goes back, and I mentioned it, but six minutes in the third quarter, you can pull the game to within one point, just kick a field goal. Points are precious. You saw that in the first couple weeks across the board. I mean, you just can't give away points. And, again, taking into consideration, they weren't playing Patrick Mahomes. They were playing Geno Smith.

Take those points, and maybe we're not even in that situation at the end of the game. But if you make the investment for Russell Wilson, and as much as you would have liked York or one of these up-and-coming kickers that is gonna you know bypass you uh come on 64 64 65 yard kick but i mean put the ball in russell wilson's hands um i thought one of the funnier things of last weekend was the crowd counting down the play clock because and and i'm not minimizing it's not you know i became a head coach there is a lot of stuff you got to worry about uh so you know you try to you know the one thing he didn't do is surround himself with a lot of veteran coaches i had a bunch of older coaches on the staff

that i leaned on a bunch and some of those situational things you know i had mike vrabel on the team he'd be standing over my shoulder telling me hey Todd look at the clock look at the clock you know but you know it's just put the ball in Russell Wilson's hands understand I mean the the delay of games and things this week I mean you just can't do it it's a men's league Todd todd it's a men's league like this type of doesn't fly especially hey richest richest owner in sports they got the richest owner in sport right now with walton they just paid him 265 like hate to say to nathaniel hackett who everybody loves like this isn't this isn't like peewee football or high school he knows that he's been around the

nfl a long time he's gonna have to figure it out quick it sounds like dog over there yeah and and the other thing that bothered me just a little bit and this is no slight on anybody but who is his pr guy because right after the first week you know it's him and russell sitting down where where did i have i never had a pr guy that helped helped my perception at all i mean they're sitting there hugging each other talking about break dancing uh hugging after the game all you saw me do was yell. And I wasn't yelling all the time. You never saw the pictures of my daughters on my shoulders at training camp and the happy things. No. You just saw. So I needed a PR guy. Whoever he's got and how they're covering this up is, I need one of those. Connor, your question for Todd Haley, a guy who's a great dad.

Great dad, you just never get to see it. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Todd, you mentioned the Patriots having zero chance to score 20 points. What do you think is going to happen there with that offense? And is there any chance maybe you come back, help Mac Jones develop into an MVP and call plays for the Patriots? I'm a head coach for the USFL currently, and we're going to get to year two. No, I mean, the Patriots, you all know it's an evolution.

You've got to get better as the season goes on. You can't overreact. Am I worried about them a little bit at times? But I think their defense is really good. They're obviously going to be coached very well. The offensive coaches, they're going to work that out. I expect them to get better, but they're another team that just play good defense, run the football, keep it close and try to stay in games and make a play at the end. There's a bunch of teams in that category right now. Now, that doesn't mean it won't change and teams don't, you know, get better.

I mean, I'm assuming the Ravens secondary is going to get better. It has to. I'm assuming the Browns aren't going to do everything possible to get beat at the end of that game, you know, going all the way up to the spinner on side off the tee, which I liked. Suck up for me did it off the ground, but the off the tee was pretty unique, but they did everything they possibly could from Chubb not going down. I mean, that has to be coached up. You just, you know, you know what it is. You can't do things to get you beat.

Todd, when you were the head coach for the Chiefs, your quarterback, Matt Castle, I know that for a little bit. I spent a little time around you guys. You seem to have a great rapport. Castle is a friend of the show. We love having him on. Is that key for the head coach and the quarterback to have an honest and authentic, real relationship?

I think it's very important. You get defensive head coaches, and again, Mike Tomlin's one of my favorite of all time. Parcells was a defensive guy. But when you have an offensive coach that understands what you're doing, is in all the meetings, I think it's a benefit. You know, is it mandatory? No.

But, you know, when you have those communications and again matt and i i mean matt responded to getting yelled at so again he he had to take the wrath a couple times but he generally responded but um you know when you're when you're in those meetings with those guys most of the week it makes it a little easier to coach. You know, I think you saw it with Dayball and Daniel Jones in the first game. I mean, I thought that was a good little clip that was shown on the sideline. I mean, it was a mistake. It was one of the few mistakes Daniel made in that game, but it was a bad one, could have been very costly.

But you immediately saw the head coach, who's an offensive guy over there, talking to him, and it wasn't like he was patting him on the butt saying, everything's okay, don't worry about it. I mean, he was coaching him and getting after him a little bit. So I think when you're around those guys, it makes the offensive players, the quarterback specifically, a little less sensitive to some of that. All right, let's talk about being on the same page. Because you were a play caller, a great one. And everybody talks about how play calling is a skill it's an ability some people are brand new

play calling on the offensive side of the ball Hackett's one of them there's numerous other places McDaniel's doing it for the first time in a long time what is that like uh for some do some people just not have it like what do you what do you think is the most important part of being a good play caller and how long can you tell if a guy's worth a or not as a play caller in the nfl um it's very difficult um you know i was i was not the play caller early in arizona and and ken wiz and hunt turned it over to me halfway through the the the first year and and the first play I called we called a skinny post and Kurt hit it for a 70-yard touchdown that's a good way to start but that's Kurt Warner throwing the football but you know I can't undersell what

Dorsey's doing in Buffalo because and everybody wants to say oh he's been there he's been with Josh no I, when when the game starts and that clock's ticking. I mean, the number one thing is you you've got to be prepared, obviously. But you've got to be able to think very fast, not be distracted. You know, I was good at yelling while I was calling a play. I'm just I think you've got to be a multitasker. You know, Dick LeBeau said it to me I got to the airplane I wasn't late and I wasn't last but I my son had fallen in the driveway had a bloody lip so I was racing to Pittsburgh to get to the airplane and got on the plane and Dick and I

always sat together and and I he said you all right and I said yeah just you know chaos at home and he goes I bet that comes in handy when you're calling plays in the fourth quarter. Yeah, you got a lot of voices. You got five kids. You know, I see, you know, friends of mine have one kid, and they can't function. I mean, it is a full time. But, you know, we went through the first kid thing. And then once you get to five i mean you stop plugging the electrical

outlets you stop strapping everything up and you learn to block you learn to block everything out and i really think that's one of the keys you better be a fast thinker and you better be able to block out all distractions we're gonna find out if uh some of these guys got in if they don't ken dorsey and josh have been fantastic yeah it seems like tua and mcdan Josh have been fantastic. It seems like Tua and McDaniel have been fantastic. Hackett and Russell Wilson publicly not on the same page. That's what Hackett said. They're going to have to get there, I think, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's a process.

And, you know, you love to get off to a fast start. I mean, hey, if I'm Mike McDaniel and two coverages are busted that allow the fastest guy in the NFL to run free for easy pitch and catch touchdowns. I'm a much better coach. You know, they did a lot in the fourth quarter. I'm not taking anything away, but I'm excited to see this Dolphins-Bills matchup. I think we'll know a lot more about the Dolphins after this week's over. Yeah, and the Bills seem to be unstoppable.

D-Butt, your question for Coach Todd Haley. Hey, Todd. Now, obviously, talent is important, but as a play caller, especially a new play caller, would you rather be with kind of an older quarterback who's been around the block a while, like Russell Wilson, or maybe a young guy, too, who's still trying to, you know, figure it out with

a lot of new weapons around him? One of those top five quarterbacks. Old, young, don't matter, just top five. If he's good, that's who you want to be with. It's just, you know, the whole process, the week you go through to get ready for a game, who are your best players? How do I design most every play to go to that guy first?

It doesn't mean it's going to because coverage is going to dictate it, but get the ball in your playmaker's hands. And if you've got one of those really good quarterbacks that makes you look good even when it's a bad play call, that's icing on the cake. Yeah, it's really nice if you call a play and your quarterback can do a 20-second two-point conversion. That's great.

You're a genius then, Todd. What a great call. Ty, your question for Coach Todd Haley. Todd, if I remember correctly, you were with Baker in Cleveland his rookie year. Were you surprised with how everything played out in Cleveland? And also, do you think he's going to get a fair shake in Carolina with, you know, there's a good chance his head coach is going to get fired

in the next few weeks if they don't get things figured out? Well, I mean, it's not a situation you want to see anybody in. You know, the key to me is Baker just has to be better. He does a lot of things good. He's like me on the pool table. I can be very streaky. If you catch me at the right time, you think I'm Fats Domino. Or Minnesota Fats, not Fats Domino.

But, you know, he has to be. Who the fuck is that? We don't know who that is. We have no idea who that is. Minnesota Fats. You'll see him. He's one of the great pool players of all time. Does he get down low like the Widow?

Black Widow. She was on ESPN there for a bit. Is that your style? You get down in there, jaw on the stick or no? A couple drinks, gets drinky, get hot. Same as the golf course. It's amazing. You're saying Baker's like that, though.

Baker is not going to survive. He's not fast enough. He's not big enough. Everybody talked about the injuries last year, but my belief is until he develops into a better pocket

passer with quick decisions that the ball comes out accurately to the right guy, if he has to play outside the pocket, these guys are going to continue to hurt him. I mean, he just can't hold up. So he has to take major strides from the pocket, like picture Drew Brees. I mean, he out-thought everybody. The ball came out. He protected himself. He wasn't a guy that was i mean he'd scramble occasionally but uh guys like him that aren't russell wilson or aren't deshaun watson or they can get out and get away and do all these

things josh uh allen he's gotta he's gotta play from the pocket because there's gonna be too many situations in the game that if you don't make good decisions and good throws in those situations, it's not going to lead to good stuff. We're talking to Todd Haley right now. Matt Rule might be on his way out, honestly. Ty alluded to that. They've lost nine straight, second richest owner in the league. He's gotten rid of everybody.

If he doesn't think he can win a Super Bowl, see you later. Matt Rule just got to be walking into that office looking in a mirror and just being like i don't know how many more days i got here i don't know that that has to happen right coaches know when they're probably on the fucking hot seat uh they won't ever tell you that but uh yeah i mean you start to feel the pressure god you got to block it all out there that's why you got to have 10 kids to be a good coach. Todd, we appreciate you so much for joining us. Good luck to the Tampa Bay Bandits.

Let's fucking win one. Hey, were we good last year? Were we good? We lost a lot of games on the last play, but we were in it till the end. It was a lot of fun. These guys are hungry to see a Turpin make it on the Cowboys, that's huge. You would have loved my kicker.

He had so many trick punts and kickoffs. He was good. That's awesome. Well, we can't wait to watch second season. Obviously, we keep up with you on SiriusXM. You're the man. We can't thank you enough for joining us, Todd. Thank you, guys.

Appreciate it. Yinser, Todd Haley. Thank you. Yeah, Todd! Big thanks to Darius Butler. Thank you, bud. Winning people money. That was the first try from NBA 3.

Unreal. That was amazing. He dunks. He does this. He breaks down film. He's electrifying. We appreciate you. AJ, great show today.

Toxic Table, thank you so much. To everybody in the back, you're the best. If you watched, goddammit, we love you. Can't wait for tomorrow as we lead into the Pittsburgh Steelers-Cleveland Browns matchup on Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime with Coach Chuck Pagano breaking some things down. D-Butt will be here. Our guy Tone will still be missing because he had a baby the other day

with his beautiful wife. Congratulations, Tone. Happy for you, pumped for you. We'll see you guys, Mignogna. AJ, thank you, pal. Thank you, guys. Thank you, AJ. Thank you, AJ.

Cheers, everybody. Goodbye.