The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 758 - Monday Night Football Recap, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday Season 3 Week 5, Eli Manning, Vikings Head Coach Kevin O'Connell, Kyle Van Noy, AQ Shipley LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

On today’s show, Pat, AQ Shipley, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night’s Monday Night Football shootout between the Raiders and the Chiefs, how the Chiefs are once again, still the Chiefs, what the Raiders are, coaching decisions made, and much more before diving into the rest of the big stories around the NFL as we prepare for week 6. Joining the progrum on behalf of Quaker Oats is 2x Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, co-host of The Manning Cast, future Hall of Famer, Eli Manning to chat about what he’s doing to curb hunger in America, his thoughts on last night’s game, if the Giants are a team to take seriously moving forward, and who is going to win the Super Bowl (25:28-37:36). Next, Head Coach of the Minnesota Vikings, Kevin O’Connell joins the progrum to chat about his great start with the Vikings, how he’s unlocked the offense, what changes have come with being a Head Coach, and much more (40:10-52:39). Later, 2x Super Bowl Champion, member of the Patriots’ All-2010’s Team, current Los Angeles Charger, Kyle Van Noy joins the show to chat about life as a Charger, his thoughts on Brandon Staley going for it on 4th down, how this year is different from years past in his career, and more (1:02:52-1:16:46). Lastly, Super Bowl Champion/MVP, 4x MVP, proprietor of the Aaron Rodgers Book Club, Green Bay Packers Quarterback, Aaron Rodgers joins the progrum to chat about the tough loss against the Giants in London, his thought on the trip across the pond, Wink Martindale’s defense, why the overreactions don’t bother anyone, the expectations as a Green Bay Packer, and much more before unveiling this week’s book (1:42:59-2:21:01). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to the FanDuel Thunderdome. It is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, October 11th, 2022. This show starts now. Football is kicking ass. Thank God for a primetime matchup last night on Monday Night Football. That was actually something that people woke up this morning saying, damn, that was an awesome game last night. Damn, that was electrifying. Wow, two teams in the AFC West, although it might have started in one particular favor, the Raiders fought back and made that thing into a battle. At the end of the game, analytics took over and made a decision for the Raiders that none of us will ever truly understand. Devontae Adams pushed the shit out of a guy that might have looked like Hunter Renfro in his eyes just moments after tripping over him on a fourth down play that lost them the game. Nonetheless,

the Chiefs don't cover but get the win. Raiders and Chiefs all the way back. AFC West saves the NFL primetime games from the lull. It has been. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news. I mean, week five of the NFL slate just ended, and we're staring down week six. It starts with the Commanders traveling to Chicago.

Jesus. So if last night wasn't a banger like we all assumed it would be because Patrick Mahomes is playing football on the field with a guy named Travis Kelsey who scored four duds. We'll look at that here in a little bit. And Devontae Adams and Derek Carr seem to have found their connection. It felt like last night's game was going to be electrifying. Thank God it lived up to the hype.

We'll talk about that and more on this glorious Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. Also, Eli Manning will be joining us here in a little bit. Kyle Van Nooy will be joining us here in a little bit. Kyle Van Nooy will be joining us here in a little bit. Aaron Rodgers will be joining us in a little bit. And also, late booking here, like actually 45 seconds ago, Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, will be joining us here in about 35 minutes. Be a friend, tell a friend.

Today should be a hell of a day at Boston Corner, at Ty Schmidt, holding down the toxic table tie. Baseball is happening. That's why you're dressed up in full uniform right now. That's right, baby. Yankees. Yankees got a game tonight. We're back.

ALDS is on. When the Packers in Iowa kind of stabbing you in the back a little bit and making you feel like shit on the weekends, now we go. Now we go. Hey, let's go get a World Series championship. I can't wait to see what that means. Is this a best of 45? What do we got here?

Best of five. Best of five, of course. Best of five, baby. Of course. We'll keep updated on that, won't we, Dustin Connor? Yeah. Last night's game was fantastic. Unbelievable.

I mean, I feel bad for everyone who took all the Chiefs to score because Kelsey was the only guy to get in the end zone. But yeah, it was fantastic. Nice to see McDaniels play a good game to a certain extent and then kind of fall back. I don't know what the hell happened with that two-point conversion. Down seven, four minutes left in the fourth quarter. You fought your way back into that game.

And then, you know, I was told by the analytics people it was a coin flip. Okay. You know what's not? Carlson kicking a fucking extra point to send that thing into extra time whenever you were rolling at that point. I understand that analytics have a place in the game. The more information, the better. The more people that are invested in the NFL, the better.

So if the nerds and the mathematicians, and nerds is a compliment, by the way. I wish I was a fucking nerd. There's a nerd squad. There's nerd this. I called Christian Wilkins a nerd Heisman on game day. And I got flooded with some messages from some moms that said that me saying that was very offensive for their kid that's a very smart kid nerd's a fucking compliment okay i wish i was a a nerd everybody wishes they were especially in the world that we're in right now with technology and hacking the smarter you are the

better you're going to be forever not necessarily you know collegiate educated but if you're a nerd you're going to be in a good spot but the nerds have gotten invested in the nfl which we absolutely love make game better but those people that just rely strictly on analytics, I think, are making decisions that don't necessarily involve humans, which are a part of the whole entire fucking game. Raiders could have extended that game last night. We would think. We would think they could have.

Now, could their defense get a stop? We shall see. Who knows what's going to happen in overtime. Do you think McDaniels gives a fuck about the coin toss right now? Because the coin toss landed on the other side. They lost. That's the only thing that hindsight can really prove us, but that was an interesting decision.

Nonetheless, great game. We did not win the Super Boost at Tone Diggs. I thought you were on the right side. You tweeted early, boost is dead. Was it because Brittany and Jackson Mahomes both back on the sideline before the game even started? My wife, Samantha, showed me a photo, and she said boost is dead. This is the first time I think Jackson Mahomes has been back on the sideline

for a game this season that we have seen. And although they are very positive, good energy, we knew we were pretty much probably fucked at that point. Is that when you knew we were gone or not, Tone Diggs? I didn't know that happened. I didn't want to send it into the group. Sam showed it to me. She follows Mrs. Mahomes.

Beautiful family, incredible thing. Thank you, Brittany. But if we were to dig back into the group no sam showed it to me she follows uh mrs mahomes beautiful family incredible thing thank you britney but if we were to dig back into history normally those two on the sidelines doing stuff there's gonna be some sort of story happening there's gonna be some sort of saying new year new year sure might be different but when i saw that i immediately thought bad omen for our super boost banking on pat Mahomes and the Chiefs now Patrick Mahomes throws for a bunch a lot of short touchdowns he covers the Chiefs do not even though you took an alternate spread when was the moment last night you thought we're fucked because I saw you tweet early boost is dead I'm like what are we doing Tony why why is the boost dead pa I thought we

were in a good day scored seven nothing boost was dead I mean it was dead. I mean, it was. At that moment, I suppose it was dead. I mean, you can't believe in Devontae White. What did he get, 17-zip? What was it? 17-zip, I think, at one point. It was more dead at that point, but 7-0. I knew you can't win two in a row, Boost. That's just impossible.

Well, I'm fourth down. No, you're going to hit a bunch. Let's not get crazy. You're back on Thursday, pal. Here we go. No, no, I lost. I'm out. No, you're batting 500 bunch let's not get crazy yeah you're back on thursday here we go no i lost i'm not no you're batting 500 that's what i heard oh yeah that's all that's right yeah you're in hall of fame so on thursday you're going 666 pal here we go because you're the devil but because you're about to go two for three okay then what are you doing on sunday huh oh sunday's great you're going three for four sunday you got all the games in the world to pick pick between these one game offs, you've got to fucking force a pick.

I'm making a lot of excuses right now. I shouldn't be doing that. I didn't know Brittany and Jackson were. That's probably why Juju didn't play great last night either. Didn't even think about that. There was a little tick-tock shark in the water. I do apologize, though. I should have won. I apologize. We agree. We agree.

You were the reason why we didn't win, so you should definitely think about that. Yeah, thanks a lot. But you'll be saddling that horse again on Thursday for a great game between the Camanders and Bears. I think we're going to see a lot of Tony Unders on that one potentially. Come on. But anyways, get your confidence back.

We appreciate the hell out of you, pal. And thanks for getting us a win on Sunday. Thank you. Nobody will thank you for that because we got a loss last night. Joining us on the stage, on the studio here, a man who hosts in the trenches, an absolute stallion, a Super Bowl champion player and coach, Jackie Moon of the NFL.

12 years? 12 years. 12 years in the NFL at center with small arms, ladies and gentlemen, A.Q. Shipley. Hey, A.Q.! How we doing? I'm great, pal. How are you? Fantastic. I got to watch a throwback of 1956 football last night. Full back, full back, fullback with McDaniels.

It was awesome to watch. So there's a lot of rude running from Josh Jacobs. Let's go ahead and dive into the game from last night. Boys, chime in whenever you feel. Fullback. Whenever you feel compelled. There it is. 0-0 game.

First quarter, fourth and one. McDaniels says we're going to lay it all on the line here on monday night football derrick carr hits davante adams wide open in a blown coverage missed assignment for his 200th touchdown pass davante adams promptly takes that ball throws it right into the fucking stance they score another touchdown then it'd be 14 zip in the second quarter. Everybody thinks that the Raiders are dead, or the Chiefs are dead. The Raiders say, excuse me. Josh Jacobs and his rude running style was absolutely on display last evening.

And I know there's angry runs with Kyle Brandt, and I know there's a lot of people that celebrate these types of things. There's a lot of people that run mad, run angry. Josh Jacobs was looking for contact last night, which is why none of us understood why he was playing in the Hall of Fame game, the opening game of the season for the Raiders. Ain't that right, AQ? Hell of a back, that guy. He's awesome. I mean, he's been running with abandon all

season long. He's been awesome. Not just this season. I think he's been good in the past, too, right? We talked to Michael Lombardi. Lombardi said he thinks that Josh Jacobs is loving football again. I wonder if in training camp he was giving off a bad aura to Josh McDaniels. Maybe he hated training camp like 99% of the people that play in the NFL. But whenever you have a new coach, new scheme, new everything, you have to act as if you're invested.

And that's why Josh McDaniels said, hey, Josh Jacobs, I don't know if you know this from New England, we ain't never paid a running back. Nope, nope. You ain't getting extended. We're not picking up your fifth year. Nope. And also, you're playing in a fucking Hall of Fame game when no other player that is going to make an NFL roster

is on the field except for you. That was an interesting thing, and now we're starting to realize that maybe Josh McDaniels and Josh Jacobs are back on the same side, and fucking thank God for it. He is awesome to watch run. Yeah, and Josh Jacobs, I believe Aikman and Troy talked about, or Aikman and Troy, Aikman and Buck talked about how Josh Jacobs kind of understood

that them not picking up the fifth-year option. They have no allegiance to the team. The old line, I thought that we at least talked about how they lost Leatherwood. They lost a lot of guys. They weren't going to be that great. And now all of a sudden, they're playing out of their mind, and Josh Jacobs is kind of earning that fifth year. Old school football.

The running back is making plays for the Raiders, opening up everything for maybe Derek Carr, Devontae Adams, Hunter Renfroe. Darren Waller only played six snaps last night. A lot of people pissed off about that. We hope he gets healthy. Let's go to the second quarter. Four minutes and 45 seconds left in the half. 17-zip Raiders. Patrick Mahomes will finally get on the board with a target to Travis Kelsey. This will become a trend of Monday night football last night. Patrick Mahomes finding Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey become a trend of Monday night football. Last night, Patrick Mahomes finding Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey, one of the greatest tight ends of all time, bar none, guaranteed. When it's all said and done, he's going to try to make a case to be the greatest of all time,

at least in the reception area, because the amount of receiving yards, touchdowns, and plays he makes on one of the most effective offenses in the NFL's history is notable, and I can't wait for that guy's hall of fame induction because it is going to be wild when the new heights brothers show up yeah and it's kind of crazy because it seems like especially the way he plays like guys are at least tight ends like they don't get better as they get older like he it seems like he's just getting better like from one year to the next you know he has an incredible season it's like oh I don't know if he's going to be able to eclipse what he does last year boom we're in week five and he's got what seven touchdowns

already like he's unbelievable he's finally around a good team right he's been sitting he was sitting there for a little bit in a little bit of a wasteland now he gets andy reed and the boys super creativity and patrick mahomes who can make every single throw travis kelsey is crushing it 17 7 1 minute 14 seconds left in the half. Derek Carr, third and eight, gets sacked. Fumbled. Recovery. Jones is about to make this thing

a three-point game. That would have been nice. Would have been perfect. But instead, this was called a roughing the passer. And although Jones, who is an absolute stallion, made a hell of a play while sacking Derrick Carr, not only do you have to get off the block and make the sack

and get to the quarterback at 325 pounds, which he alluded to afterwards, he said, I'm 325 pounds. What do you want me to do? Then he gets the strip. He gets the ball in his hand. Then he even tries to brace himself a little bit not to land on a quarterback that he fucking took the ball from that he shouldn't even be worried about. The play is now all of a sudden Jones is on offense, Carr is on defense

at that exact moment. But the ref afterwards, when he was asked by a pool reporter, said, it did not matter where the ball was. It did not matter who had possession. He just saw him laying all his body weight on top of him. It's like, well, the guy was fucking balancing one ball, which makes you have to go back to the Tom Brady roughing the passer from just Sunday where Grady Jarrett makes one of the greatest plays

with his defensive line in the moment that they needed it. Grady Jarrett gets home on a four-man game. Sacks Tom Brady. Gets the ball back from Marcus Mariota and the boys on his third down. They've been running the rock all over Tampa. Probably going to waltz down the field, maybe tie this thing up or win it or at least give it another shot after getting blanked for the first three quarters. And instead, Jerome Boger makes a terrible roughing the passer call.

And we thought he'd be the only one that would maybe do it. He's the only one that's maybe confused because he made that call just one week ago in the Buffalo in Baltimore game we shall see how many of these referees stink so badly we complimented thee we should have never done you see because they started getting way too confident and egotistical Lee anyways7. Second quarter. Matthew Wright from 59 yards as ref, you suck chance. We're raining down on the field over at the Kingdom. All of Kansas City had to write cues. All of Kansas City was screaming bullshit.

Ref, you suck chance. It felt like a college atmosphere. It felt like the WWE. Somehow Matthew Wright, who wasn't able to make it 50 yards just a couple years ago, bangs home a 59-yarder, longest in that stadium's history. And they have one of the strongest-legged kickers in the NFL's history in Harrison Bucker. Now we go to the third. Four minutes and 14 seconds left.

20-17. Raiders still holding the lead. Patrick Mahomes trips, falls. Then he gets slumped down to the ground. That looked familiar. What's the difference? No call. Second and goal.

Once again, this is what happened in Tampa Bay just yesterday or two days ago with Jerome Boger calling a roughing the passer in which Grady Jarrett grabs Tom Brady and slings him down. Go back to the Patrick Mahomes play. After seeing Grady Jarrett, he gets the snap on first and goal, stumbles, falls. All of a sudden, he's grabbed by Perriman, slung down. Don't know what the difference is.

None of us know what the fuck a rough in the passer is. Let's figure that out sometime soon because it's ruining games. And we're not saying that Mahomes should be a rough in the passer. We're just saying, can we get some fucking consistency here? Just what is rough in the passer? Will somebody tell us? We would like to know? Because you got it, you don't, it's a fumble, it isn't, it's this, it's that.

We would like to know a fucking answer. Let's also get it reviewable. I think I saw Drew Brees post, like, hey, can we not just review these? Because then we can kind of make more sense of it. We agree. Review them and also tell these refs with the subjective power to relax. This is football. Let's not ruin games.

Nonetheless, after the sack, now Patrick Mahomes has the ball on the 8, 20-17 still, third quarter, and he's going to find who? Who? Travis Kelsey. One stiff arm, two stiff arms. Gets into the end zone with a great block from the wide receiver. Travis Kelsey now with his third touchdown of the evening. Oh, my God.

Record-breaking night for Travis Kelsey. He isn't done just yet. 24-20. Raiders have to answer. Derek Carr, first and ten. Hands the ball off to Josh Jacobs. This was the story of the night. The offensive line making big gaping holes.

And Josh Jacobs hitting those things really fucking hard. They would settle for a field goal. It would be 24-23. Fast forward to their fourth quarter. 37-yard attempt for Matthew Wright. Oh, no. Just hit a 59-yarder before half. Misses from 37.

Oh, no. 24-23. The Raiders are going to get the ball. No, they aren't. Holding. Defense. Special teams of the Raiders. The guy who just walked through the screen right there, Tom McMahon,

special teams coordinator thinking to himself, what the fuck are you talking about? Let's go to Patty Piero here, shall we, on this particular play. So the interesting thing here, and nobody really talked about it, and I think it is something that's worthy of a conversation. You've got to obviously look at 51 right here, okay? He's going to attempt to run a pool shoot. What is a pool shoot?

Oh, I'm sorry, 51 is the next one inside. You get it. This guy. Pool shoot is whenever you reach out, okay, and most field goal techniques is hands are out, trying to be as big as possible. What's it called, AQ? Die what?

Die slowly. Die slowly. That is literally what protection is called. You're going to die. Just needs you to do it in a slow fashion. So all the offensive linemen, tight end, and anybody else that steps in for a field goal block, like you are fucking great people. You are just getting run through.

It used to be like 600 pounds of force behind people because there would be pushers and double teamers. And offensive linemen would literally just sit there and be taught to die slowly. You're going to fall. You're going to get crushed. Just do it in a slower fashion. Arms are wide. You're trying to catch everybody. This particular one probably reaching out to number two. So pull shoot is when you're trying to knock down the person's arms so that the hole that that person is supposed to be blocking in, you can run through. It's not even really a good pull shoot. This is certainly something that Kansas City Chiefs special teams coach, Tobe, told the ref about beforehand.

Hey, Raiders are doing a pull shoot. You can't do that. This was made illegal because guys were coming scot-free and blowing people up. So I think this was a ticky-tack call, bullshit call, but I think it was because the special teams coordinator for the Chiefs alerted the refs that the Raiders were doing this, and Tom McMahon has to sit here and think to himself, how the fuck is that being called a penalty in the modern NFL? Tom, Raiders fans, we don't know.

Matthew Wright had no idea it happened. He obviously misses. We move on in the game. Chiefs would then obviously go on to score a touchdown. So that is a game changer. Patrick Mahomes finds Travis Kelsey. 4-7, and for Travis Kelsey's fourth touchdown of the evening, they would go on to take the lead to make it 30-23.

They would go for two to try to make this a nine-point game, a two-score game with 7.25 left in the game. What would happen? Max Crosby. Uh-uh. Bats that thing down. Makes a hell of a football play. So now it's 30-23.

Raiders get a chance to go ahead and tie this thing. What are they going to do with it? Third and six. Four minutes and 34 seconds left. And Brown midfield. Derek Carr takes a snap. Drops back. On the run.

On corks one. Devontae Adams. Derek Carr drops it in a bucket. Devontae makes a hell of a catch for his second touchdown of the evening. Now, down one point after scoring a touchdown, with the option to kick an extra point, they go for two. We all remember that if you're down 14, math says you should go for two twice because you're better than 50% chance to get two-point conversion.

If you make the two-point conversion on the first one, you have eight points. Now a touchdown extra point wins you the game. You don't get the two-point conversion on the first one. You got another opportunity at the second time. When you're down seven, I ain't never heard of a motherfucker ever going for two instead of kicking the extra point and going to overtime. Do you have any idea why they did this, AQ? Zero chance that I would have ever made this call to go for two.

I have no reason to think why they would. I no reason the raiders had success on offense they had some success on defense i don't know why you would want to win this thing with 427 left right now then you're just saying if best case scenario here you're telling patrick mahomes you have four minute offense basically to get in the field goal range guy hit a 59 yarder missed a 37 yarder and also another kick so who knows what it is. This was a fascinating thing. Stats people are telling us we're wrong. Down seven, football, a touchdown's worth six, extra point is worth one. Seven points is normally the fucking standard of what we're going for.

Would have extended it. They don't do it. Their two-point conversion play. Derek Carr gets a snap, hands it off to Josh Jacobs. Good push from the offensive line. I think you're going to hear A.Q. Shipley say it. But some reason, somehow, his knee was down about an inch and a half short they do not get it so now they're down one 30 to 29 they end up getting the ball back after getting a stop

on their chiefs and they get like less than a minute left fourth and one on third down the reason why it's fourth and one is because there was a catch there was ruled a no catch but Devontae said it was a catch because he said, although I have control of the football, it might not look like it in the video review. He just did a nonchalant, casual, two-toes, down, jump out of bounds. I believe Devontae. If Devontae's saying he had control of the ball, I assume he had control of the football. Did anybody ask him in the review system?

Probably not. So then this is the game. This is it. 30-29. Devontae Adams outside. Hunter Renfroe in the slot. They run into each the game. This is it. 30-29. Devontae Adams outside. Hunter Renfro in the slot. They run into each other. Ball goes to nobody.

Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes get a win for a Monday Night Football matchup that we'll talk about for a while. There you go, KC. Good recap. We'll have more on that. I felt like we just lived the game. We'll have more on that throughout the hours of the show here. Joining us right now.

Never mind. Never mind. No, no. What? That's why i cut it out i caught the show because you thought we were late for eli yeah turns out they're late for us nonetheless davante adams on the outside allegedly via golden tate tweet this play that they ran on fourth and one in the fourth quarter uh with 47 seconds left davante has to release outside he released inside causing him and hunter Renfro to run into each other. That's what Golden Tate's playbook

says. I guess we could take that for its word. Nonetheless, they both end up on the ground. Chiefs get a win. They don't cover. Hell of a fucking Monday Night Football matchup. It seemed like Devontae was upset after the game too about that or something. Are you saying that because he shoved that Hunter Renfro looking guy that was carrying

the metal thing to cut in front of him? I don't think he shoved him. I think it was just an accident. So, can't have it, right? Obviously, players can't just be throwing people around. No. If they're going to streak or come on the field, hey, do what you got to do. That's right.

The person's obviously working there, though, can't be pushing the person. Now, to Devontae's credit here, there's no reason for anybody carrying a medal or anything to cut in front of Devontae Adams there, right? It's a player, obviously can't do it. Devontae cannot do what he just did. No. Like, there is obviously fault in a lot of things in the world.

Devontae's the one that made this escalate into this thing. Why is that guy cutting in front of Devontae? Who knows, right? I mean, that is all he's carrying metal. It's in Kansas City. He cuts right in front of Devontae. But Devontae also can't. Can't do that. That can't happen. Devontae puts out a tweet, says,

I felt horrible immediately upon happening. Somebody tell that guy I apologize. Sorry about it. He literally, he immediately addressed it. Sorry to the guy I pushed over Sorry about it. He immediately addressed it. Sorry to the guy I pushed over after the game. Obviously very frustrated at the way the game ended. And when he ran in front of me as I exited, that was my reaction. I felt horrible immediately.

That's on me. My apologies, man. I hope you see this. I don't know if he has seen that, but that guy has filed a police report. He's going to set up to do a lawsuit. Let's assume Devontae is going to have to settle this financially somehow with this guy. Let's hope he's safe, the guy that got knocked over because he did file a police report. But that's the world we're in. Devontae knows it. Devontae took ownership over it. Can't be just pushing people that are working the games down. He knows that. Terrible ending to that game

though with Hunter and Devontae running into each other. But you like the old-school football, Josh Jacobs and the Raiders team. Is that what they're going to be going forward, or do they have to be, I guess? I think they have to be. I mean, they've got a really good group up front, especially, you know, you mentioned Leatherwood, probably the best decision they could have made, to be honest. Oh, yeah. Probably the best decision.

They've got a really good group, and they're doing some nice things. They've got the fullback involved. They've got the play-action game going. I hope that is the offense you see moving forward because that is a damn good football team. The Kansas City Chiefs, though, on the flip side, we've been talking about it for a few years. We're not the only people.

Obviously, everybody's been talking about this. When Patrick Mahomes needs a play, even when Tyreek Hill is there, Tyreek Hill obviously helped the entire Kansas City Chiefs offense. He was able to do things that nobody else on earth is able to do. Where teams had to kind of change the math for Tyreek Hill so that it opened up for everybody else. When they had a third down they needed, when they needed to score, when they needed a, like, hey, we have to make a play, it seemed to always end up in Travis Kelsey's hands. Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes, obviously very good friends. Travis

Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes, they hang out a lot. They're together. They become the best tandem in the nfl now yeah that davante and aaron aren't together right it is fantastic to watch them go and i know patrick said at the beginning of the season each week it might be somebody new each week it might be somebody new we don't know who's going to be the only constant it feels like is that travis kelsey's going to score a fucking touchdown and when the raiders were up 17 zip you could get travis kelsey to be an anytime touchdown scorer at plus 100 I put a quick thousand on that thing and said Travis Kelsey's going to score at some point because Patrick Mahomes is only going to look for one person

the rest of the game because they're all got a habit situation Juju had a couple drops hopefully he'll be able to figure it out McCall Hardman made some plays I saw him break some tackles but when they needed it's always been Travis Kelsey and last night was the celebration of that, it felt like, Ty. Well, when we talked about it, I don't know if it was yesterday or last week. The Chiefs are that team where even when it was 17-0, you were just expecting them. Like, okay, well, they're definitely going to score on their next possession, and they're going to be here in the fourth quarter. I don't know how many teams, like we've talked about how in the NFL now, it seems a lot more often that teams can erase big leads in a matter of minutes, but the Chiefs really are maybe next to the Bills or the only team where

if they're down 17-0, 24-0, in terms of at least gambling, it's like, okay, well, what can I get the Chiefs' money line at right now? Because it just always feels like they're going to figure out a way to get it done and win. Great live bet team. Yeah, unbelievable. Just kind of keep it alive. Yeah, a lot of good-looking live bets on FanDuel Sportsbook. You could get the Chiefs a plus three and a half at one point early in the game

and a plus money to win it. And it's like, I put out a tweet. I said, God damn, that McGee replied to. Great. Crushed it. Shout out to McGee. Shout out, McGee. I said, the Raiders are dominatingee replied to. Great. Crushed it. Shout out to McGee. Shout out, McGee. I said, the Raiders are dominating or dominating or whatever.

And they were. It was a surprise by all of us. But I also knew, I'm going to go check out these live bets right now to see what we can get these chews for. Because what was it? The Titans in the playoffs? Yep. Or Texans.

Texans. Texans, 17 or 24. And then back-to-back, it's like they have the ability to do that. And I think they'll forever be able to do that with a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. Joining us now is another quarterback, a man who has, you know, cemented his legacy as a Hall of Famer, multi-time Super Bowl champion. Now, you know, he's like our favorite person to watch a Monday Night Football game with. By far.

Him and his brother have obviously created incredible things with the Omaha production and content and life and everything like that. But what he's doing right now with Quaker Oats, with the Quaker Hunger Clock, and their partnership with Feeding America where they will donate up to $250,000 to help feed America and help take care of the hunger situation around the United States, makes this man not only great on the field but off the field. An absolute philanthropic hero oh yeah ladies and gentlemen son of Archie brother of Peyton Cooper uncle of Arch Manning going to Texas why Eli Manning thank you Pat thanks for having me on man hey great work I understand you're probably doing a lot today with this Quaker Oats thing. This is really incredible. I'm happy to be, you know, able to talk to the world about this. A lot of money being donated, defeating America. How'd

you get involved with this and how long has your relationship with Quaker Oats been? Yeah, so excited to partner with Quaker for a number of reasons. One, I'm a huge oatmeal fan, so I, you know, have it every single morning, including this morning. And so, but also believe in their mission and that's helping others in dealing with this hunger issue and that the circumstances of life should never be a barrier to good nutrition. And so part of that commitment to help advance food security in the U.S., they are creating the Quaker Hunger Clock in partnership with Feeding America. And they're going to hope to raise $500,000, which is equivalent to 5 million meals for Feeding America.

And they want to do that by Super Bowl 57. So there's a clock in Arizona across from the Super Bowl. It's counting down the minutes until the Super Bowl and counting up the number of meals raised by donations. So you can go to QuakerHungerClock.com and find out more information and how to donate and learn a little bit about this initiative. Hey, that's amazing.

Well done. I never understood. I've donated to things like this, the meal stuff, and they've told me how many people I helped with the amount of money I donated. And I'm like, that's a pretty good return on dollar there. $500,000 helping 5 million people pay. That's incredible, Eli.

Let's go, Eli. Thank you. Here we go, Eli. This is Quaker feeding America. They've got it figured out. Well, your name has become synonymous now with QuakerHungerClock.com. Your name has become synonymous now with Monday Night Football, because Monday Night Manning has become such a good tradition

for a lot of people, and we hope it's for years and years to come. We know you signed a massive deal to continue to do such a thing, so that's great news. Last night's Monday Night Football game feels like it was the first game that wasn't like a snoozer in primetime for the NFL in some time. You know, Thursday, Sunday, we had a little bit of a run. Last night

was a shootout. What are your thoughts on the game, Eli? And Travis Kelsey scores four touchdowns. Would have been nice to have that guy as a teammate, I assume, at some point. Yeah, just red zone all over the place. The guy just gets open. I swear, and he doesn't have routes. It's like, yeah, Travis, just kind of run around. And if you just get open, whatever you feel you got to do, and Mahomes just finds them. But I thought it was a great game. Obviously, Raiders had a chance to tie it at the end, go for two, but still they get the ball back. So I like the call.

I like the call to go for two right there. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You did like that call. I like it in the sense where if it's tied up, I feel like Mahomes and the Kansas City are saying, hey, it's tied up. Now we can be aggressive and we can go and, you know, we're going to get a field goal.

We can move the ball 45 yards and get a field goal. All of a sudden, if they get it, you've got a little pressure on you. If you don't get it, they're still like, oh, now we've just got to get a first down. We've got to try to run the clock out. You're not going to be aggressive. And they end up working in the sense that to run the clock out. You're not going to be aggressive. And they ended up working in the sense that they got the ball back. They were two and a half minutes left, and now you have a chance for you to have the final drive and go win the game. They just didn't

do that. They didn't capitalize on that opportunity, and that was the moment they needed to shine on. Okay, that's interesting because I just immediately, you know, and obviously I have a lot of respect for you and your brain and your football acumen because, you know, just like Peyton, you have been in an NFL family, you know, since birth basically. So I will always have massive respect for anything you say. I think that's why Monday Night Manning does so well because both you guys talking, it's like, okay, feed us more information. We appreciate that.

I know that the new thing with stats was if a team's down 14, they score a touchdown, you go for two. Because if you go for two, then all you've got to do is score a touchdown, kick an extra point, you win. If you don't get it, you've still got another opportunity to go for two. You're going to hit at least one of those. I understood that. Down seven, though, I had never heard this before.

I enjoy listening to you break it down, though, because if you get it, you think Kansas City is going to have to be a little bit more aggressive because they know they have to get it. So maybe you can pick them off, even though a field goal does the same thing in both ways. Like, is that what you're saying, Eli? You think it's just like a mental thing almost? I think it's just, yeah, it just plays a little mental part.

And more so if you don't get it, you'll still, I feel like you have a better chance of getting the ball back if you don't get it because it changes the philosophy of Kansas City now that they're up one instead of being tied. And so now they don't have to be aggressive. They can try to run it out. And all of a sudden they're playing conservative football. You want Kansas City playing conservative football.

They're playing aggressive football. And obviously they were down in that whole game for the most part. They fire back. They're playing super and they're they're scoring at will and now all of a sudden it's like you got to change that and now it's like oh now hey but now we got to like you know be a little conservative don't don't screw this up and you know they they went you know give the ball back right away so the raiders you know you want the ball in your hand with a chance to win the games at the end and that that's what you, you know, why you have great players and a quarterback you trust and Devontae Adams, like, Hey, we're going to put the ball in your hands, go win it for us.

And when you don't, you know, when you don't come through with that, I think you still got to look, Hey, we made the right decisions. We just didn't execute. And now it was, you know, that's, that's, that's on us. Okay. Hey, by the way, I feel like I learned something today from old Eli Manning. Not only about the QuakerHungerClock.com, where they're going to be donating $500,000 worth of meals. Quaker, $250,000 itself. Go to QuakerHungerClock.com.

But also, maybe it is the mentality. Maybe that's what McDaniels was thinking. Like, hey, if we get to this, they're either going to have to sit on it or if we take the lead, they're going to have to press a little bit. We might be able to take advantage of that. I'm intrigued to hear more from old Eli Manning about things that are going around the NFL. How about now?

I don't know what it is. You're a good person. Okay? You're a great person from what I know. Thank you. From what I think, you're a great person. Geno Smith and you, right? That story in New York is a big one will always be and maybe Daybold comes back and win some games and gets the stories out of

you know just negative stuff all the time but seeing Gino do what Gino's doing right now even though they get a loss to the Saints is this something you knew was going to happen is this something you're happy for him and have you talked to Geno Smith at all since, you know, his entire Seahawks run started here? Yeah, we called their game and talked to him that week and got to, you know, catch up. And, you know, I knew Geno having been there a number of years, been in this offense, been around these players,

he was going to come out and play well. He has the ability to throw it. He's always had that ability of throwing the football, and it comes out naturally and I think sees things. But just being in one system for a number of years, he's grown up. You can just see it in the films I've watched of just his comfort in that offense, of changing protections, of getting in the check with me's and going from run to run, pass to run, different options. He just feels comfortable. And so he's making good

decisions. He's protecting the ball. And so when a quarterback is making good decisions, that lets the offensive coordinator be more aggressive. Hey, we can call these shots. We can call more pass plays. We can do these things. And if it's not there, hey, he's going to check it down. He's going to make a good decision, and then we can get back to it later. And that's what you see with Geno. He's making good decisions, and he's throwing the ball accurately, making a lot of great plays. Yeah, it's fun to watch as a West Virginia guy,

and obviously I'm happy to hear that you're happy for him as well. Chad Powers, what type of player is he in the game? Because we didn't really get to see any game footage of Chad Powers. How would you describe him? He's a no-risk-it, no-biscuit guy, it seems like, isn't he? Oh, yeah, he's all out there. Sometimes he knows the plays. Sometimes he just improvises.

You know, the audio system goes out in his helmet a lot because he wants to call us out. Oh, got it. Got it. You know, kind of one of those things. I can't hear you. Like, it was just called Chad. You know, Chad quarterback draws a lot and throwing bombs is basically the attitude he lives with.

I was homeschooled. I was homeschooled. You failed. Who's your teacher? Mom. Bad teacher. Good coach. She's hard on me.

She's hard on me. Hey, you were fucking good. Hey, you were good in that, Eli. You know, Ted Lasso was once just like a little gimmicky thing. Chad Powers needs at least a 30-minute. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? One of the boys has a question for you, if that's okay, Eli.

Yeah, let's do it. Go ahead, Ty. Eli, with how close you are with the Giants still, when you and Peyton had them on Monday Night Football against the Cowboys, I think they were 2-0 at the time, but it was a little bit of a dud, and everyone was thinking, hey, what's going on there? But they looked great since then. And with you being up in that area still, what's the vibe around the Giants?

Do fans and, like, do you feel like they got it right with Abel, and is this team a serious contender this year moving forward? Well, I think, yeah, definitely the fans feel they got it right with Dable and that, you know, things are going well. And Wink Martindale, they're playing good on defense. They've had some injuries on defense. They're starting to get some guys back. Receiving core is still, you know, banged up and, you know,

have some guys that aren't playing much and some new faces out there. But they're being creative offensively. They're putting play action and bootlegs and nakeds. They're helping Daniel get outside where he can run, he can throw it. They're getting the ball to Saquon. They're disguising him, whether it's quarterback draws and screens. They're finding ways to win in the fourth quarter. And that's what you want to see a team can do.

They can find a way to keep it close, keep it tight, and play their best football down the stretch. So there's definitely some excitement around. You're seeing more Giants hats and T-shirts, you know, around the neighborhood a little bit more. So it's good to have them winning and playing well and in contention at this point in the season. We know you have a busy day, so we'll let you out to have them winning and playing well and and in contention at this point in the season we know you have a busy day so we'll let you out of here who's winning

the super bowl eli the giants what do you mean who else aside from the giants i mean i think i mean in the afc it's i mean it's the chiefs and bills right i mean that's who you kind of thought it was hey why is that hey eli don't you think we can tell now like teams that are built to go in the super bowl i think we can tell separate the teams that are built to go in a super bowl and aren't don't you i think so i mean i think those two those two guys stick out their quarterbacks are playing great their defense they can you know can create turnovers and get after it. You just feel like whatever the game,

the circumstances, those two guys are going to step up and make the plays. They have the ability to blow you out or they have the ability to make comebacks and win close games as well. All right, Eli, we appreciate you so much. Go to QuakerHungerClock.com if you want to help Eli and Quaker on their

mission to help feed the hunger. No feed the hunger. No, the hungry. Ladies and gentlemen, future Hall of Famer, multi-time Super Bowl champion, Eli Maynard. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you, man.

That's pretty cool. Yeah, awesome. Chad Powers needs like a third. Yeah, own series. Yeah, they should do like a little mini series. You got Kane Powers. Yeah, well, I think that's probably how the Powers. If I had to guess. What if they're brothers?

Chad and Kenny? Yeah. Separated at birth. Both had great arms. One became pitcher. One became home school. Football star. Oh, my.

There it is. This is happening right now. I think it should. Hey, how come you weren't chirping at all in that? I looked over at AQ. I said, you got a question for Eli? He goes, nah, he's actually sleeping. Thinking about second lunch.

Chad's a Penn State guy, too. I'm going to go take a look at that clock, though. It's outside. It's an Arizona, he said. I'm going to go find the clock. That is the one time he chirped it. The Quaker hunger clock. Yeah, I'm going to go find the clock.

Talking to himself. He doesn't realize he had a mic on the whole time. Yeah, I had to tell him, hey, you are. You are a mic. Shut up, dude. You're fucking snoring, dude. You weren't. There was you are right up. Snoring, dude. You weren't. There was a wake up.

Eli was not boring. Eli was good. Yeah. He's the best. What's this guy sleeping about? He's very interactive when people are on the phone. I was excited to hear about Chad Powers, you know. What do you hate?

Going back to that place, you know. What place? That place. Which place? That place. Happy Valley. Where it all happened. Big game this weekend, boys.

Who? Penn State, Michigan. Oh, yeah. People were telling us that that's where game day should have won. Oh, yeah. Is that number eight versus number three? Four versus ten. Oh, that's close. Close. Almost. It's close. That is a big game. There's a lot of really good games

that have happened. I'll be intrigued to see what game day decides to do going forward. Because I think if you look at the slate, if you look out, there's some good games. A lot of choices. There's some teams that are normally not that good that are good. So they're ranked. So a game that's kind of normally throw it,

all of a sudden it's a game now. It's like, oh, what is game day going to do? Ratings came out for the Kansas one. Pretty good. Seems like the show's doing pretty good. And it's like, oh, what is game day going to do? You know, ratings came out for the Kansas one. Pretty good. Seems like the show's doing pretty good. Not bad. Seems like going to Kansas is pretty good. Well, I think to your point, too, like, especially like, yeah, you know,

you always have Alabama and Georgia or whatever. But there's something about going to these campuses who have never had it before because the crowd does show up. And it almost – the environment just feels a little bit different. Like, everyone is incredibly invested. And obviously when you go to Alabama or one of those SEC schools, they're invested, but like all of them have had game day there multiple times. So when you go somewhere that, you know, it's like,

oh, we were supposed to fucking stink this year. Yeah, it's been cool. It's been a lot of fun. The experience in Kansas was great. Lawrence was fantastic, especially that Campanile. Oh, yeah. Beautiful. The Campanile.

That's the Italian bell that they walk through when they graduate. At the top of the hill, they go down the hill to the stadium. Joining us now is another Italian. A man who's a head coach of the NFC North leading Minnesota Vikings. Got the gig after coaching for the Los Angeles Rams. Ladies and gentlemen, Kevin O'Callaghan. Yeah, Kevin! What's up, dude?

Hi, hold on. I think we had you muted. Sorry, we just turned you up. You look good. How are you, pal? I'm doing great. Can you hear me now? Yeah, you sound amazing. Listen, I'm sure life is good. First time head coach in the NFL. All you're doing is, I don't know, creating one of the most

effective offenses in the NFL, leading the NFC North. It seems like the hair is doing great. Is life perfect right now, Kevin? It's the illusion of being perfect, but I'll tell you what. It's been a good start for the year for our guys and loving our team, loving what we're doing. But as you know, Pat, you're always, I feel like,

just four quarters away from getting a nice slice of humble pie in this league so we're always working to avoid that at all costs yeah you're one game away from an overreaction monday asking whether or not kevin o'connell is a good head coach it's just every it's it's week it's week to week uh but at this point the week the weeks have gone great for you coming from the rams over to the vik, I think we're all intrigued to see what style of offense you run with Kirk Cousins. Justin Jefferson has become this X factor that's almost unguardable. Is he the Cooper Cup role that everybody on the Internet just says, like, oh, Kevin O'Connell taking Justin Jefferson, making him Cooper Cup?

Is it as easy as that? Are you viewing him in the same way? Or why has this become so successful this season? Not that it hasn't been in the past, but it is a real weapon for you right now, it feels like. Yeah, I think when I look at what Justin's role is in our offense, it's really what it's evolved to is he's really a little bit of everything. When we want to buy formation, he can play that role. When we want him to be your traditional kind of ex-receiver, he can play that role.

And then obviously just knowing how people are defending him, the different types of variations that we see, you know, we just have to have the ability to move him around. He's got to have a role in different aspects of our first and second down plan, what we try to do with him on third down. And then obviously we know down in the low red zone, I mean, he dictates so much coverage that I definitely want to always have him majorly involved in what we do. Can we always make him the first progression when the look dictates great? But I feel great about Adam Thielen, K.J. Osborne, Irv Smith, guys coming to life when Kirk just makes good decisions with the football and we build it in a way where he can just play fast and be aggressive when we need him to. Let's talk about Kirk a little bit because obviously outside looking in,

the conversation about Kirk is vastly different than what is happening right now. He couldn't win the big game, can't do this, even though he's won a playoff game on the road, won primetime games. The narrative about Kirk is always going to be the narrative about Kirk for whatever reason. No matter how many chains he's going on with a little spinning thing on in the back of the thing, no matter how many, you know, chains he's going on with a little spinning thing on in the back of the thing, or no matter how many plays he makes. What have you learned about Kirk this season?

You think that maybe surprised you or was different than what your preconceived thoughts were? I know you probably didn't have any, but you get it. What did you, what have you learned about Kirk this season that has made you be like, yeah, this guy we can win a Superbowl with and we're going to. has made you be like, yeah, this guy we can win a Super Bowl with and we're going to? I think his demonstration of just the mental toughness that it takes to play this position.

It's not always going to be perfect. I know for sure I can be a lot better for him and continue to help put him in situations and types of offensive flows in the game where he can just play quarterback and use his talent and his ability and his experience to have it all kind of come to life. But just his mental toughness, the ebbs and flows of just in a game to be able to be at his best at the end of some games, quite honestly, that our consistency hasn't been the best just as a football team. But we either start fast and then

a lot of times defensively things happen and they're able to make some plays too. And then ultimately, can we rally? Can we rally behind our quarterback in those end of game situations, whether it's a seven minute drive, you know, with 18 plus plays, whatever it was last week to win, or it may be the two minute variety like he had to do against New Orleans and Detroit to go get us the lead back. But ultimately, I think for our team, for Kirk, it's just been a positive to know that we've trailed in the fourth quarter some games that we've ended up winning because of our guys and their ability to go make plays and Kirk leading

the way. Hopefully, we can just continue to develop that consistency for four quarters. But we do know in the back of our minds, we've now confirmed that we can win a game despite losing the lead in the fourth quarter. And Pat, you know how competitive this league is. Sometimes people look at certain teams you're playing or what historically they've been like. That means nothing to me. Every single game is going to be a grind. We know that. Teams are too well coached. There's too many good players in this league for it to just be a consistent walk down the field every time you touch the ball.

That's just not realistic. So we know we're going to deal with adversity in game, and ultimately our guys having the ability to come together and that group of 11 players going out there feels like they're going to go win the football game right now when they get those ops. Hey, it's hard to win the NFL. That's why the year we were 2-14, there was like nine games that were one-score games.

I mean, we accidentally pick up a fumble late and run it in. We win those games. It's a whole different game. It is wild to keep those boys motivated the way you've been able to do it. It's been an electrifying style of football to watch. I hope you know that. Congrats on the incredible start. A.Q. Shipley has a question for you.

Hey, Coach. Great start to the season. I know it's real easy to talk about the passing game and what you've been able to have with that. As a former offensive lineman, how much easier does it make your job, call and plays, when that run game is cooking with the big boys up front? I think it's a huge point because everything we do, you know, we have a saying,

we try to have plays start out looking the same but are different. And the easiest way to do that is to be under center, have your run game cooking like you said, and then ultimately be able to marry different variations of pass game, whether it's keepers, screens, play passes, all of those things come together in a way that become hard to defend, less predictable, and obviously put our guys with maybe that one or two-step advantage to be able to attack coverage. But it all starts with the run game, And with us, the run game requires all 11 guys to do their job, quarterback included, getting us in and out of certain runs versus some looks that we maybe don't like and get us to a more premier play. I mean, that's coach speak a lot of times, but in our system, it's the lifeblood of what we do. And then ultimately, you got to be

able to block people. You got to be able to move people. It's not always going to be the perfect angles, the perfect assignments, everybody covered up. Sometimes it's a matter of guys just straining and finishing and having a little bit of grit to what they do. That is really the difference between three, four yard runs and six and seven yard runs that make it a heck of a lot easier to call plays, to activate tempo, to just be in attack mode. You don't have to be throwing it over people's heads all the time to just feel like you're in attack mode. Sometimes the way you're being defended, it's a completion mindset in the pass game,

and it's a grind in the run game. But we can put together, we've proven we can put together long drives with guys doing their job, snapping and snap out. But Chris Cooper's done an unbelievable job with our offensive line. I think our guys across the board, even with a rookie right guard, that group's really gelled and now becomes the challenge of how consistent can we be and really build plans around those guys knowing that Dalvin Cook and Alexander Madison are two of our best players that we want to get going and really set the table

for everything we want to do offensively. I think it's a great point. That first half, Dalvin Cook had two tuds. Kirk Cousins started 18 for 18. Justin Jefferson had eight targets for eight catches. It means, like, how do we do that every single half? I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you maintain that, but it sounds like good run game is a great way to start.

Tone, your question for Coach Kevin O'Connell. Coach, you being a former quarterback and OC, in the early part of the season, have you had to remind yourself at all on the sidelines during the game that you are the head coach as well and have to pay attention now when the defense is on the field and what's going on as far as clock management as far as in the entire game is going on i've noticed it's not uh it first of all it's a great point and second of all i've noticed it's not the obvious situations you know of all, I've noticed it's not the obvious situations. It's not the clock management. It's not the, you know, we can get out in front of a lot of those just by our preparation

and how we want to play the game and who's on the other side playing quarterback and how aggressive we want to be with the end of half, end of game situations. But to me, it's those random times where I used to just grab that Surface tablet and go hunker down for four or five minutes and kind of get a look at everything we just did, get a look at what I want to call next. Those tend to be the times where somebody's screaming my name on the headset. Where the heck are you? Maybe defense needs a timeout or it's a challenge-worthy play.

That's where I've really had to adjust, and I think I've gotten better at it. challenge worthy play and that's where I've really had to adjust and and I think I've gotten better at it uh we have great offensive coaches here that I can kind of uh you know they can go to work on all that stuff and and I can click over and be on with the defense or special teams and uh maybe it's a time where we may you know try to apply a fake or a lot of decisions that I have to make that uh you know ultimately I have to be involved in in be involved at all times. And it's been an adjustment for sure, having spent my entire career just on that offensive side. I keep joking with the offensive coaches because I don't have access to that line two, you know. I'm only on line one on offense because then I switch over to defense and special teams. So I keep on saying, you know, they're making sure they're having all the good conversation over online too, probably talking about all the terrible things I say to them during

the games. But ultimately, you know, it's been an adjustment, but when you have a staff like we do and you can rely on those guys, I feel very strongly about my continued comfort level with just that head coach role. And it helps to have some really good players too hey what they're saying online too doesn't mean shit to you man no hey we're talking bad keep it out of the brain let's keep the good vibes high here how about all the other bs that kind of comes on a head coach's desk that isn't normally there for an offensive coordinator anything pop up on your day-to-day where you're like i just want coach ball because you hear a lot of people that become from coordinators to head coaches of the n you become like a CEO of a company very quickly there's a lot of things to deal with has it become too much ever you feel very comfortable at home and you feel like head

coaching role is something that you've kind of been ready for your entire career it definitely hasn't felt like too much but it's definitely something that's come up I mean those times where you're locking in on okay now I feel good about where this plan's going. You know, you kind of, the rhythm of just watching film and kind of figuring out how you're going to play the game every week, that takes time and you got to really, you know, let it come together and let it come to you kind of naturally just through the evolution of how you're studying tape. So when you get, you know, an hour here or there where you get pulled away or something comes up that you got to deal with, you know, on the non-football side, that's something I've had to, you know, really make an adjustment to. And really how I normally end up paying for it is

later on in the day, in the evening, kind of playing catch up a little bit early on in the mornings. But there's enough time in the day. And as long as you have great people around you, I think that's a real thing. But there's no doubt I've probably shut my door a few more times than I have in the past throughout the day and then ignored a few knocks when I hear them. So get the plan done. Yeah, you got to do interviews like this and we know you're running out of time.

So we appreciate you so much. I wasn't going to say it, man. I wasn't going to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you tell Victor the Viking to relax too a little bit? Can you tell him? Can you tell him? He's riding this wave of success that you guys are having real high on social media, Coach.

Real high. Yeah, I'm not aware of that. Oh! Uh-oh, Victor! Good luck! Uh-oh, Victor! We told Dad! Anyways, everything is awesome coming out of your building. You should be incredibly proud. We can't wait to watch the rest of the season, Victor. We told Dad. Anyways, everything is awesome coming out of your building.

You should be incredibly proud. We can't wait to watch the rest of the season, Coach. Yeah, thank you, guys. I always enjoy getting to catch up with you. Hey, you too, man. Hopefully we'll get to do it sometime soon. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach of the Minnesota Vikings, Kevin O'Connor. Sorry about it, Victor.

Uh-oh. Someone's getting restricted. Oh, Victor. I hope you had fun, pal. Victor stinks, Victor. Yeah. Uh-oh. Someone's getting restricted. Oh, Victor. I hope you had fun, pal. Victor stinks, dude. Well, Victor's team is better than your team. Victor's team is better than your team. We'll see Thanksgiving.

He's got nothing to do with that. He doesn't ride out on a Harley anymore. Yeah, lost some grit. Yeah, ride out on a cycle. Then we'll talk. Hey, how cool is that Viking Stadium, though? Just everything about it. This guy wanted to be a Viking for a few years. Did you? Oh, ride out on a cycle, then we'll talk. Hey, how cool is that Viking Stadium, though? Just everything about it. This guy wanted to be a Viking for a few years.

Did you? Oh, you son of a bitch. For Halloween? No, for life. Not the football team. Oh, okay. Remember when the show Vikings came out? I was trying to get on that show every week.

He was. Tweeting them. It was uncomfortable. Grew my beard out to, like, here. What a mark. Come on, let me on. Dude, it was uncomfortable. You would never go to Valhalla, dude.

You don't have the... Yeah, there's no bald Vikings, dude. Yeah, I guess I missed the mark on there. They all have sweet hair. I did miss them. They do, you're right. No, but whenever... We went and played there, I think.

Were you on the Colts when we played there? No, but I played there in Arizona the first year that they opened the new stadium. Yeah, so when we were going to play there, you and I chatted about it. We talked about it, and he was talking about, wait till you get this. were going to play there you and i chatted about it i don't know what we talked about it and he was talking about wait till you get this and i was like he's like it's so cool it is so cool this guy talking about i'm like sounds like i'm talking to the mark that fucking loves that little vikings thing sure you know it sounds like he goes no no no i mean that is a part of it but wait till you get there and i went in there, and it was...

Beautiful stadium. Stadium is gorgeous. They somehow built a comfortable stadium in the middle of negative 45-degree weather. So fucking cold there. So cold. Freeze. The people that live there have a natural toughness that we will never understand because of how cold it gets there.

We were there for the Super Bowl. It was negative five. Coldest ever. Of all time. Yeah. But they built a comfortable stadium. It seems like the suites are very nice and the seats are very nice, but that fucker gets loud.

I love the way it goes over there. One of the coolest moments, I think I told you about this moment, this is the one you're talking about, but we were down six in the fourth quarter with like a minute and 45 to go. We get the ball, there's a TV timeout, and we're in the huddle, and we're back on our own 15 or something like that. And there's this

wall. And they started it. And it was just like... And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like, I think the ship's coming. I think we're fucked right now. Hey, home field advantage matters. Like, just something like that. Everybody always talks about the noise with the get-off or the offensive linemen and defensive ends and communication can be difficult. All that is very real.

But just think about the conversation that he just had that I have had with places. It's hard not to just be like, damn, Baltimore is a place that never gets enough respect for being in an environment that is difficult. The things that their fans say to people and feel comfortable saying to people, you naturally are just like, damn, this place is a different level.

So if you go to a game, and you can get tickets right now on SeatGeek, I think 10% off all football tickets. I think it's 15% off at the link in our YouTube thing. If you go to a game, know that you can affect the fucking game. You can affect the players in the game. You can affect the game itself. And I hope that that continues to be something as live events continue to move forward. Speaking of, I mean, after the booing last night,

that ref almost cried when he had to even think about calling a flag against the Chiefs. He is all the way back. We have some breaking news as I go around the room and introduce every voice and face that you will hear and see at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt of the Toxic Table. One half of the hammer.

Cowboys Tone Diggs is here. Obviously the host of In the Trenches in the bobbled exchange AQ Shipley is on stage in studio. He'll be hosting In the Trenches at about 3pm Eastern Standard Time today. Just one hour in 46 minutes from now. Are you going to be able to keep the juice you're falling asleep

during our interview with Eli? What's your problem? I'm not a big oatmeal fan. But I'm big. I'm going to go find that clock. To be fair, I don't think oatmeal is very good either. It's like American porridge. Also, to be fair, and we all love Eli, but there's no better face

of oatmeal than Eli. Alright, so also joining us, I don't know what that means, because he eats it every day? Because he eats it every day? We all love Eli, but there's no better face of oatmeal than Eli. All right. So also joining us, I don't know what that means, because he eats it every day? Because he eats it every day? Yeah, exactly. Once again, remember, you can go to QuakerHungerClock.com. That's right. Unlike these terrible humans on this stage right here, you can help feed the hungry alongside Feeding America,

as Quaker will match up to $250,000 in donations totaling $500,000 in food, which will feed 5 million people. Unbelievable. I'm going to donate. I'm going to donate. What's the math on that? Well, it's six cents a meal. Can we talk to Chad Powers

next time too? Eli's great, but why isn't Chad doing the rounds for oatmeal? You think Quaker could afford Chad Powers? No way. Chad doesn't eat oatmeal. Well, that is something also to think about because Eli ate oatmeal this morning. I like oatmeal, cinnamon apple, peaches also. There's a good one with peaches in it. Is it six cents a cup of oatmeal? Yeah, that's pretty cheap. Dude, I don't, whenever I was, as I was reading it, you know, I was starting to put, and then as he said, I was starting to do the math. And Foxy cut to my face at a time I did not expect him to cut to my face.

As I was doing the math, I'm like, $500,000 seats, 5 million people. I started doing the math. How's that work? Everyone has a spoonful. What does everybody eat? It depends because, you know, I mean, if you're having a slice of Wonder Bread with a piece of government cheese and one piece of an apple, like, that's lunch. It's better than nothing, I guess. It's better than nothing.

And that'd be about six cents. Maybe a glass of water as well. And I had to mention that to Eli. I said, I have donated to similar things. And they've told me how many meals I provided with the money that I donated. And almost every single time I've gone, damn, I didn't know I was that good. Wow. I don't even know how you're going to be able to figure it out.

Joining us now from an attic in Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, a philanthropist himself, a man who's donated millions of meals, I would assume, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hall. Yay! A.J., did math check out for you i mean we we were very uh what's going on you're right no the math yeah i i've thought the same thing in the past but i actually love oatmeal so i think it's great that you guys do me too seems like every good person on the stage

here and walnuts in there a little brown sugar sounds like a hearty lunch of oatmeal boiled chicken and one walnut i don't know if they're eating 15 walnuts sounds like they're eating. A hearty lunch of oatmeal, boiled chicken. And one walnut. I don't know if they're eating 15 walnuts. Sounds like they're eating bologna, really. All right. Listen, you're talking about a different thing. We're talking about, we're going back to you bashing oatmeal. Yeah, oatmeal's delicious. We're not eating Funyuns and chocolate milk for Thanksgiving dinner.

That's a different story. You like oatmeal, Frank, yeah? It's all right, yeah. I don't. Yeah, he doesn't. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. If it's the Instant Pack. Quaker's doing a good thing.

Quaker's feeding 5 million people with $500,000 in donations. You can help them right now at QuakerHungerClock.com. That was what, I mean, that, I was the Galifianakis gif, literally. I was like, how do we? What does that meal mean exactly for those people, I guess? Oh, everything. Bag of air. What makes one cup of oatmeal?

That's what, you're What makes one cup of oatmeal? You're giving five million cups of oatmeal? Is that what it is? Well, and people need it. Why don't you help? I would love to. Why don't you help? That's a good point. I would love to.

You too, AQ. I don't like oatmeal. I'm going to donate. I just don't eat oatmeal. I just don't eat oatmeal. Exactly. You're going to donate to the Quaker Hunger Club? I'm going to go find the clock in Arizona, and then I'm going to donate.

How much money? You know what? Here we go, AQ. How much money do you donate, AQ? How much money do you think you're donating to the Quaker Hunger Club? He did 12 years and he's coached Super Bowl champion. Oh, yeah, that's right. This could be a lot of meals. I'll throw this out there.

If you make this shot, $1,000. $1,000. That's $100,000. You should call Tom. It's $100,000. $1,000. That's 100,000 meals. You should call Tom. 100,000 meals, right? $2,000. Double or nothing. The universe

knew you were a terrible guy. They don't even want you to be involved. Bonus ball, $5,000. That's what you get. Donate nothing. You bad guy. Hope you're happy. Come on.

Hope you're happy. AJ, what's this guy's problem, AJ? What's this guy's problem? I know. Well, I can still donate even though you didn't hit a shot. I can donate even though I don't like oatmeal. He had a yogurt parfait. I eat eggs and bacon, but I'm going to donate to oatmeal.

Let's go. Very good. Thank you, Adrian. You're a great guy. You could donate to eggs and bacon, too. I mean, if you really want to. You scramble those things? Two charities?

Yeah, absolutely. I'm a big scramble that guy. Oh, put some cheese in there? A little cheese, some chives. I don't touch the chives. I don't touch the chives. You know what I mean? I like to dice them up.

Oh, you do. You're a foodie, though, right? Yeah, I'm a foodie. Isn't AQ a foodie? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, AQ's classic loves every chef and how they go about doing things. He calls restaurants himself and acts like he's his agent and gets into, like, some of the best restaurants in the world just because he has respect for the chefs, right?

That's it. That's fact. Good for you, man. You should go on the guys' grocery games. Hey, this is Clark whatever. I represent Alan Quay Shipley, formerly of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Super Bowl champion, played in the NFL for 12 years, loves Chef, insert name of Chef.

He's his biggest fan of all time. I'm wondering if we can maybe get him a spot at the bar. He's going to be in town tonight all alone. He just wanted to come and say thanks to the chef and everything. He's contributed to the food industry. We'll take a look in real quick. Looks like we have a spot for old Alan Quay. I'll let him know. He'll be so happy.

He'll be so thankful. Bam. Let me go take a shot. Let's go. It's a good move, right? It's a great move. It's one of the best moves of all time. Yeah.

The only thing I hope for is the person that you call and talk to is there when you get there and goes, That's the same voice. Hold on. I thought that was clark that's what i hope happens someday but nonetheless this dude eats like the super high end like like brett farb michelin rated so ak are you into like wine and everything too i like wine yeah i like i like doing like the the michelin star kind of tasting tasting menu yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in a James Beard Award winning restaurant? Oh, dude, I was just reminded. A person that's going to add into this.

I apologize for forgetting this. We came back late. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, Super Bowl champion two times. Formerly of the Patriots. You know him from the Dolphins as well. Currently at the Los Angeles Chargers. Big win. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Van Rooy.

Yeah, Kyle! Kyle, Kyle, I got completely lost in this conversation. This guy just bamboozles people into free seats at these high-end restaurants. Kyle, how do you feel about that move? I was hearing him talk about fancy restaurants, and I'm like, sign me up. I'm all about it, baby. Kyle. We had a group of guys that went to the marble room in cleveland

fantastic shout out to them they were great hospitality there it's beautiful really good food are you a high-end but before i get started i gotta say my guy you are killing it the business is good we got a new we got a new studio get the white shop i shop. I see AJ with a better bookshelf and fancier cigars. Like, you guys, we're killing it. No, we just get a chance to chat with people like you, and we're very lucky for it. And a church became available very close to my house and affordable. So we've moved into it. We're very lucky.

We're thankful, though, you're back joining us. What is life like as a Los Angeles Chargers for you, Kyle? It feels like, you know, the team is there. The team on paper is incredible. Some injuries have been taking place. Get a massive win. How do you feel about being a Charger, Kyle, and what's it like as opposed to being a Patriot or a Dolphin, maybe? Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's a whole different vibe. You guys interview you guys interviewed coaches and the GM. So that just starts right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Respect. Yeah. Um, and it's a, it's a good environment to work out. Like I, I enjoy, um, coming to work with the group of guys that we have, you know, for me, I'm in a different stage of life and, you know, my football, I'm, I'm,

stage of life and, you know, my football. I'm, you know, kind of a glue guy now. And so it's different for me. I started as an ass back player here where I'm like, coach, put me in the game, get your ass back. Now that Joey went out, I'm plugged into a starting role. So, you know, it's been fun for me. It's been different. And I'm accepting my role and trying to make the most of it. And I'm just trying to help these young guys show up every day, show them how to be a professional, show them what it takes to win games. And it's been fun. I really, really enjoy it. I really enjoy the working relationship I have with Coach Staley. It's been really fun getting to know

him and getting to know the other coaches in the locker room or players in the locker room and the coaches and just working together. It's been good. Hell yeah. Hey Kyle, how do they teach you to tackle in practice? They teach you to go after the quarterback. What are they doing to

try to set you up for success? Honestly, with the strike zone, how are you supposed to land? Is this something that they at least try to, I guess, come back to you every couple months and let you know what you're supposed to do? It's wild. It's changing every week, Kyle, it feels like. I know. One week they're telling you to tackle like this.

Another week they're telling you to tackle. You know, I think they do a good job. They try to respect the game. The job. They try to respect the game. The coaches are always going to respect the game. They're always going to keep it real, tell you how it is. Obviously, they're going to be like, man, this quarterback situation right now with roughing the passer, it's different. I mean, it's hard.

I felt for Grady in that game. Not Brady, Grady. Don't feel bad for Brady, right? And that was just a tough play. We had a tough one in our game with Sebastian. He kind of touched my guy Jacoby Brissett and we got a flop, and they got a first down and scored on it. So it's something that we talk about all the time, that strike zone is what you're saying, and you just got to go with how the game's being played, and you got to adjust sometimes in the middle of the game. You talked about us talking to your head coach and GM and that being a little bit different of an environment maybe than from the Dolphins or from the Patriots or from where you've played in the past. When Staley goes for it on fourth and two on the own 45,

us outside with the other team having no timeouts, us on the outside have been around football a long time. I assume you two go, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we doing? Now, I assume there's a conversation that has taken place behind closed doors with Staley about the mentality and what we're going to do so the team understands it a little bit more. You, as an old guy who's won a lot of games, you know, and has transitioned through eras of football, we're in a much more analytic stage where, you know, the percentages of making plays are kind of calculated more in your decision-making on fourth downs and everything like that. What is your initial thought when you see that?

Do you talk to Coach Staley who you say you're close to and be like hey why do you do that do you try to dig into his mind and understand it or are you like if he says it let's do it what is your mindset towards that type of stuff because we know the NFL is the men's league for a reason that's a great question that you know that's a great question honestly because I've been thinking about it a lot because I knew you were going to ask me this today you know I am kind of still traditional and, you know, pun it, whatever. But I kind of like this go for fourth down. Like, it's kind of the nature of our team where we got an aggressive group. I mean, Jay Herbo's playing lights out right now, banged up like it's impressive.

They have, you you know they were killing it on offense and you know he was just trying to end the game and you know a lot of people can say whatever they want but the week before he did it against the Houston Texans and no one said nothing right because we got it and so I tweeted out know, are you guys keeping that same energy if we did get it? Are people criticizing the call if we did get it? And to me, it doesn't matter. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, we ended up winning the game. So it is what it is.

Whether you like it or not, we ended up winning. He believed in our defense to get the job done. We ended up getting the job done and winning. Yeah, I think it's just so interesting, especially because you're an old man now. We see that beard. I'm seasoned. I'm seasoned.

Yeah, yeah, seasoned, seasoned. You've gotten better. You're seasoned. You're only getting better, smarter, and wiser, and everything like that. But you're one of the people on that team that we can talk about because when you came into the league, much different era when it came to all this shit.

Now it's at a completely different level. I love hear the fact you're like you know i'm a traditional guy but also look we've always dreamt of a coach that'd be like yeah we're going for it yeah yeah i mean yeah you gotta think a lot of coaches when they get this this spot sometimes they're not aggressive enough you know a lot of people were scared they're scared yeah i'm not uh i'm not going after the coach by any means but a lot of people went after hackett in the first i believe the first game with the you know giving it into your quarterback's hand and yada yada yada and they were mad at that right yeah so it's like how do you want to go down with your ship do you want to go down swinging or do you want to go back and be conservative you never you know you we can play this game all day but

we know this business you guys know this business it's very the turnover is crazy i mean matt rule just got fired in 40ms you know like the turnover is. How do you want to go out? Do you want to go out swinging or do you want to go out, you know, traditional way? I don't know. You know, I think you're trying to see where I'm coming from. Yeah, I respect it a lot because to your point about coaches, there's a lot of coaches that say, hey, we're going to empty every bullet in the chamber.

And then you get to the game and it's like, nah, kind of scared to pull the trigger. It seems to be kind of just kind of cover your own ass. Staley does not have that at all. It feels like he's like, we got it. We're doing it. We got this play. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, absolutely.

It is big ball Staley. It's literally the internet calls him that. It's real. And I think that is a trait that you definitely want to see in a coach. But there's some situations where I'm just befuddled. But once again, I'm old at this point, seasoned at this point. Ty, your question for Kyle Van Noy. Kyle, everyone knows the NFL is, you know, the next man up mentality.

And you guys are obviously very deep and have plenty of good guys. But does it ever get disheartening when you, like, you guys have all this top end talent and for whatever reason you kind of just get hit with the injury bug? I mean, I know that's part of the league, but it's like you see all these pro-bowl caliber guys that you have that are going down and you're losing them for long periods of time. Like, does that ever get disheartening or is it one of those things where, you know, it is next man up, so you don't really have any time to even think about it? Yeah, I mean, to sit here and say I wouldn't go disheartening because that's a little far, but it's more of like you work so hard together, you get kind of a rhythm. Joey Bosa, myself, Khalil Mack, we're very close. We got very close fast.

So it was kind of a bummer for him to go down. And he's not out. He's coming back this season, which is awesome. But, you know, you're bummed out for those guys, but then it gives your other young boys opportunity, like Chris Rump, who's rushing the passer really well, gives myself more opportunities to get on the field. You know, I was playing off the ball.

Now I'm playing on the ball a little bit more. You know, Jamari going in for Slater has done an incredible job. And they, you know, they got him in the sixth round. So the third floor is pumped about that to see him, you know, going crazy. And it is a next man mentality up. And it is a next man mentality up. But at the same time, you do feel for those players because you have 17 chances to get. And when you when you're out, it sucks. It's not fun.

And you feel for players all across the league, not just because you know how hard it takes to play in the game. We play. Get ready for games and play. Hey, you look super cool in those sunglasses. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's LA, baby. Is that what it is? Is it the bright lights of LA? Got the sunglasses? Last question for you here

from your old friend, Boston Connor from Boston, not from LA. No sunglasses on, but a great mullet, it looks like. Kyle, we miss you over in New England, but going off of what... No, you don't. What's that all about, Kyle? The fans do, Kyle. Okay over in New England. But going off of what AJ said. No, you don't. What's that all about, Kyle? No, we do. The fans do.

Kyle, okay? Okay, I respect that. All right. Jeez, he kind of. Yeah, I know. I was like, hey, I was just trying to say, you know, we miss you. And he said no. I miss my people, though.

I really do. I have a special bond with that place. They were really good to me. Yes. The young players that I ended up getting fired for playing really good ball. They held the, you know, they held the Lions to zero points. Like they're rolling on defense. My guy Red Sleeves Judon is stepping up and is the leader of that defense now.

And Kyle Duggar, who I think is incredible. I think he's the next one in the secondary. He is that guy. I mean, props to Bill. He always finds a way to get it done, man. It's impressive. Hell, yeah, he does, and he's created a bunch of incredibly loud and arrogant and confident fans,

and we are very lucky to have one of them every single day at Boston Corner. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like I don't even have to ask you a question after that great answer, but AJ No, I still will. AJ asked you about, you know, how are you guys told to tackle these quarterbacks or some of these calls? How aware are you of different types of referees

who are reffing your games? Do you know that you might be going to a game where there are certain refs who might throw more flags on a rough in the pass or a hold in or that type of thing? Yeah, that's something that you talk about. You get the reports of what the officials throw in the highest, their crew, whether it's an all-star crew or their crew

that they do in the regular season. You get the report of what they throw as a group, what their big emphasis is, whether it's on special teams, whether it's DPI, holding, whatever it is. There's all sorts of flags that can be called. And you do know, so you got to do business, how business is being done and you got to go how the game is being called. Like in our game, they weren't calling one holding call. So you had the offensive lineman, they were loving life, right? Yeah. It's just, you gotta, you gotta adjust during the game and it's something you talk about on the sideline and keep it moving. Hey, Kyle, have a great rest of the year, pal.

We appreciate you joining us. You look awesome. You look cool. You sound in great spirits. We appreciate you so much, man. Yeah, thanks. Again, it's always a pleasure to come on the show. I hope one day you keep a seat warm for me.

I also think, too, something I admire about you, Pat, that doesn't get enough credit. It's something I admire about LeBron James as he takes care of his people. What you've done for so many people, the crew that you have, that you're so tight knit, bro. I salute you for that. I envy that. That's something that I wish I could do. Maybe one day, you know, get a group around me like you have. I just want to say salute to you for that. That's respect, man. Kyle, thank you so much for that.

I'm very lucky to have this crew, and you will do it much better than we do it whenever you decide to hang them up. You've had too long of a career to start it yet. You'll be doing it soon. Thank you for that. You're a fucking man. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Van Noy. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Kyle! So Thank you for that. You're a fucking man. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Van Noy. Thank you. Hey, Kyle! So,

thank you to Kyle, friend of the program. Can't wait for him to join us here in the FanDuel Thunderdome. Hell yeah. Whenever he gets here, it's going to be fantastic.

I think he's a gamer, too. We got some rooms that are being built to be set up to do all that stuff. Yeah, dude. A million dollars on Twitch. A hundred million people.

It's actually, I think it's gone up. Yeah, of course it has. Big thanks to Kyle, man. Happy, it sounds like. With that being said, AJ was not able to hear a single word that Kyle Van Noy said that entire interview. So at the very end of it, while Kyle Van Noy is giving his last answer

to Connor, I texted AJ to ask a question about which refs going into games do you know about? Because we would have obviously gone, AJ just asked that! Wake up! But AJ could hear what Connor asked.

So whenever I pointed at AJ right after I sent the text while Kyle was full screen, sent a text to AJ, I pointed AJ for him to go next and AJ goes, no. I start dying laughing because you knew I was trying to fucking sit. Yeah, I respect that. And that's big brain stuff by you over there, AJ, in the middle of some chaos, pal.

I tell you what, though. I didn't want to derail it, so trying to, like, nod my head and laugh when I saw it. I was acting. That whole time, I was trying, oh, interesting. I could hear you guys beautifully, just not him. It was a great interview. So you were laughing if we would laugh? Yeah.

I don't want to laugh if he was saying something really terrible to you. That's why I had to gauge off of you guys. So whenever I heard somebody pop, I did hear you immediately afterwards go, huh. So I was like thinking for you, like, oh, AJ's listening to what we're doing, trying to react. That's amazing. Ah, fuck. I was like thinking for you, like, oh, AJ's listening to what we're doing, trying to react. That's amazing. Ah, fuck. I wish I would have been able to properly word that to you to ask a question that's already been answered by him so we could have just went crazy.

Oh, come on, AJ. You're listening to the same conversation. We've got to get that figured out. I'm sure we will. Who knows which end it was on. Hopefully that gets fixed up by the next hour where Aaron Rodgers will be joining us. I think the right thing to do right now would be to ask A.J. Hawk

about his thoughts about Monday Night Football. Here we go. Because we talked to Eli, Chad Powers about this, Kevin O'Connell about a lot of things, Kyle Van Nooyen now. We haven't had an opportunity to really dive into your big Ohio cranium about last night. Last night's game was certainly a fascinating one because we were staring down a potential boar fest in the NFL primetime

slate. It has been going on since last Thursday, stunk. Sunday, stunk. What are we going to do on Monday? Staring down Commander's Bears on Thursday. Is primetime NFL falling off? Chiefs Raiders felt like the right teams to be in there to kind of give the NFL a boost. They showed up.

Travis Kelsey scores four touchdowns. Patrick Mahomes does his thing. Derek Carr and Devontae Adams proved to be a great tandem. Josh Jacobs running rude. What was your takeaway from the game, AJ? And what did you learn from those two teams, you think? I mean, I think the Raiders, I don't know what they are exactly, but they had a great chance to beat the Chiefs, obviously.

And they played well in the first half, I guess, enough to do it. But the Chiefs are the Chiefs. Kelsey has 25 yards, four touchdowns, but Chris Jones, that's the whole talk, right? That play, the roughing the passer. I thought how he braced himself. Who's the ref that chimes in who comes on for the broadcast? John. John Perry.

I thought he did a good job saying how his left arm tried to brace and not land all of his body weight on him as he's stripping the ball. What an unbelievable athletic play just such an athletic play by a big old dude too so what is he supposed to do he's supposed to let that ball fall so he can catch himself better he's not supposed to he caught himself though that's when i first was like no this dude legit in the moment was putting that left hand down i think he was trying to stay up i think he was trying to stay up so he can maybe go run that thing which is and i think he knew he knew, too, though, like, I can't land my body on this dude.

I'm a big dude. It looks worse than it would be if someone else landed on him. So, like, he tries to brace himself and go score. Like, what an unbelievable play and another terrible call. 325 pounds. But what was the right answer there? Just if we're to ask the ref, like, and I know the ref stood by what he was saying. So, as he strips that ball and it's loose, he's supposed to say,

no, not my ball. I strip ball. I won't get ball. Then he's supposed to just completely brace for contact with the ground so he doesn't land on Derek Carr. Like, what is the right answer? There's no right answer because Derek Carr was in the throwing posture that he said.

Like, I don't understand how. Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's the thing. Okay, sir, what can I do differently to where I won't get penalized next time for this play? Let the ball go. That's the only thing. Don't get the ball. Because the reason why he wasn't able to brace with two hands is because he had ball on Duke or hand on Duke. So I don't understand what the right answer was there.

And then what if the ref goes, well, in this particular situation it appears if Chris Jones is fucked. So, yeah, sorry about it. Made too good of a play. What is the right answer then? What is Chris supposed to do? Don't hit him. Just quit on the play. I don't know. You made an unbelievable play. You beat an offensive lineman. You get in there

and you make a gigantic play and they take it away from you. So I don't know. They don't have an answer for us. That's the problem. Yeah, you beat an offensive lineman off. That's right. Then you get around him. Then he comes right inside the pocket. Yep. Jerk cars ball.

Boom. And then you brace yourself with one hand to kind of plank it on. I mean, I don't know what he's supposed to do, AJ. He could have hurt himself trying to brace himself too. Like if his hand is weird, like he could pop that wrist, anything. Elbow, yeah, dislocate, all that stuff. Because it looks, you run that thing again, it looks like it gets pretty flattened out, which is not good.

I like that they're on grass, by the way. Yeah, it's good grass. I don't know if it's super grass. He didn't land on him really, though. With that left arm bracing, he took almost all of his weight off of him. And how about him saying, I'm 325 pounds. What do you want me to do? AQ, you're an offensive lineman,

so obviously you're a reason why this rule exists. What would you say to old Jonesy and what he's supposed to do once that ball to do? AQ, you're an offensive lineman, so obviously you're a reason why this rule exists. What would you say to old Jonesy and what he's supposed to do once that ball comes out, AQ? Correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, we turned you off because you were. EJ could hear that. He could hear that for a while. Mouth breather?

No, no, you were just breathing, I think, and it was sitting right on your. Hitching the scalp, too. Yeah, I think there was a chance. Which is weird. You thought your cardio would be better being in that gym with Jay, but who knows. You're in a fight team. Yeah, here we go.

Glazer's just, you know, giving him the runaround, it sounds like. No, but I thought the whole purpose of that whole rule getting instituted was to avoid the old where you'd lift them up and then pile drive, right? Like, that is a clean tackle. That's how you were coached. That's how you used to be coached to tackle the quarterback. Correct. So they make the rule and say, this, what you were taught cannot happen anymore.

So much so we're making it a 15-yard penalty and ruining it, trying to change the culture, I think, of that particular tackle. Like, let's get this completely out of there. I don't know what he's supposed to do. I mean, that was a clean tackle, right? Like, I mean, he even took them high. And high and then like just to further on your guy's point about his hand being down there like god forbid when his hands braced that left tackle gets bull rushed and falls into it his arm is snapped in half because he's trying to brace against a completely

legal play i don't know what he was supposed to do that that's the next question like if you're talking about the answers that's the problem like when you present problems or issues and you don't have a solution like is there a solution to this do we know anything of what they could say could they clarify this oh you're saying the people that point out problems but have no clue about a solution those are really john taffer is about solutions he's not about problems right and also the flow of the room yeah come in but come in. Butt funnel. Got to make that butt funnel. Well, you also need the IPS system. Exactly.

You need the POS system, of course. You need to keep it clean, too. Let's not walk by a mess fucking five times. Plus, you can't be getting hammered as a bartender owner at your own fucking place. And also, if you're a bartender and you're giving away extra things, so your tip is bigger, you're in turn stealing from the ownership. Fire his ass right now. And the POS system at the bottle waiter tells us that.

You're a piece of shit. You're stealing from the owner. You're a hero in this place, right? Stealing from us. Get the fuck out. Fire his ass now. Do it. You can't be drunk here all the time.

Why don't you give away the call? You're out of here. But you're right. Solutions are what we're looking for. And I don't know if we'll ever get them from any of these refs ever because I think they have to stand by their calls. I think they have to act as if – because it's a subjective call. So he was the only person that believed that that was roughing the passer

in the entire universe, I believe. In the entire universe, I believe. Pereira tweeted about being at a bar with Chiefs fans. Pereira's drinking Tito's, getting yelled at by Chiefs fans, and he says, I don't blame him. Normally he'll come out and be like, well, the refs saw this. And, you know, John Perry, I think he does a good job of sticking up for the refs all the time,

you know, all the time. And by good job, I mean, hey, let's be a human here too. You're being brought in to kind of break it down for us, not be a tag team partner of the fuckery that's going on on the field. You're with the TV now. I understand you've got to stick up for your refs because you guys are refs in a fraternity and everything like that. But I feel like that type of attitude, and nobody wants to be refs.

So it's like I don't want to be a ref. AJ doesn't want to be a ref. Nobody wants to be a ref. It's a hard job. It's a thankless job. You have no fans. Nobody's showing up at a game for you. And if they are cheering for you, it means you fucked up

for the other team. They hate you. It's just, it's not a fun job. We understand that. But a necessity, and people do want that type of power over games, and they want that type of control in situations. So we appreciate the people that do that. With that being said, I wish they were humans. You know, like, i wish that guy was shown the replay and i wish he would have said yeah that was a

mistake never mind like after the game you mean yeah as opposed to well it was a throwing yeah he doubled down he doubled down didn't he yeah so the booger like yeah what about though like what about the fact that he do they not think he was trying to brace himself i feel like with that left arm going down right there you'd be like all right first off he didn – do they not think he was trying to brace himself? I feel like with that left arm going down right there, you'd be like, all right, first off, he didn't land on him, and he was actively trying to not land on him. So why would I throw this flag? Our guy Drew Brees posted that he thinks that Ruff and the Passers

should be reviewable. I agree. Absolutely. I guess. An expedited one. They talked about it last night. An expedited review. They're picking up the thing.

They're doing this. You can say – Would that have been expedited, though? Stuff like that, though, they're going to look at that for a while, I feel like, because they might have differing opinions. I think that's what the review process should be. It should be an expedited review. Every review should be an expedited review. Which they had one.

Remember, they had a quick one last night. I think John jumped on and said, this is a great thing they're doing. They know it's an easy call. Boom, here we go. Every review should be that. Every review should be that. Every reviewer should be that. You should train former players, give them a job that are younger, pretty good with tech, and say, hey, you're making the calls.

You've got a quick review. You only have fucking 10 seconds. If you can't figure it out 10, 15 seconds, guess what? Probably not enough, not sufficient to turn up. But if you can, let's do it. Let's move along. So then people don't hate the review because it slows down the game it does this it's like it doesn't have i feel like it

doesn't have to be let's get 90 year olds off the fucking screens yeah let's get some other people in there and just be like hey if you can't figure it out in 20 seconds it's not figured out like just move on i think that's something that should happen personally i thought yeah and then and something that coaches could throw the challenge flag for something like that, then. Well, I think challenge flag,

I think that is, you can take a, cause they want to sell the challenge. Like getting sold. There's a commercial break coming. It's a full, like, Oh,

look what we got. It's a full, the refs run to each side. It's like a full spectacle. But I think for a lot of things like, uh, you know, if you spot the ball in the wrong place

and it's clear on review clear like we don't need the whole song and fucking dance just somebody should go down hey that's that is a first down actually and the ref should say uh it was looked at and we are correcting it it was a first down and then just move on but i think what happens is all those refs take it as a shot like Like, oh, this, you think you're smarter than me? You see it differently? It's like, hey, put your egos aside, okay? I understand you have to have an ego to be in that position of power and to be ruling over games, and you have to have an ego to walk into a stadium knowing that all these people are potentially going to hate you by the end of this thing if you do your job. I understand you have to have a little bit of an ego to be a referee.

I understand that. I appreciate it. It is a trait, a character trait that you have to have. But you should feel okay if the tech is able to help you. You should feel more open to make calls. I think you should be able to be like, this is where I had it at. And then if there's 10 seconds, it's like, actually, you're off two yards. It's like, well, I don't know how that happened, but all right, let's move on. Thank you for the help. Let's move on.

Because this ref has to double down now afterwards. Could have been fixed. Could have easily been fixed in review. Go down. This ref now has to live with this. Walk out of the stadium with that. When I think a very quick review would have been like, well, he actually did try to brace himself.

He had the ball. There's nothing else he could do. This is Chiefs ball, first down, going the other way. You know what I mean? Like, that's the shit, I think. You know, that's the shit. Yeah, I used to talk to refs all the time when they would be reviewing a player they're looking at it and i would ask a lot of the good refs i'd be like man you probably you hate this right if they're gonna

are they gonna overrule this or what's gonna happen like do you care either way or what do you think and all the good reps like we just want to get the call right like that's that's all we care about i'm like well i don't know if i believe you but that is the right mindset to have yeah that is the right mindset to have but they know that's the right mindset to have and most of them probably don't have it so they say publicly that that's a thing you know what i mean that's they probably all mess with each other like oh you've had nine calls overturned in the last three weeks yeah exactly and i think they take it as a shot it's not a shot dude it's like your eyes aren't as good as the 8k camera you're right it should free you up to feel like hey i can't really make mistakes because i always have someone backing me

up here there's there's an 8k camera that they can slow down to like fucking, what, 20, 40 frames a second where we can see exactly. Like your eyes can't do that. There's things that the eyes can do that cameras can't do. But for some calls, it is much easier for us just to look at and be like, the intent wasn't that. He tried to brace himself. It's actually first down for the Chiefs.

Then the ref can just pick that thing up. They did it last night. They picked up a flag. Yeah. No flag flag on this put it back in the pocket be like first down for the chiefs uh and then just move on and then yeah why don't they do that what what what why not is it because execution they're not they don't think they'll be yeah that's right you talk they talk about it's because the disaster that was the pass interference situation when they could review that because that was terrible like oh're like, oh, we can't do this again. But it wasn't.

The theory wasn't terrible. Yeah, it was perfect. It was the execution. A lot of things are great in theory, but you have to have the right people to execute them. Yeah. Are they secure? In theory, there's so many awesome things. Great ideas on paper.

Like, for instance, Saturday night, our megacast, ESPN2, Clemson, Florida State, 730. Hell yeah. We'll be live in the FanDuel Thunderdome. In theory, we can set up some incredible trick shots. In theory. Outside the Thunderdome. That's right. In theory, we'll be able to do that.

Now, will we be able to execute it? TBD. Time will tell. Got to find out. TBD. We have, I think, a special guest coming that is worthy of watching for you know what i mean in person oh yeah i think so it's going down in dms right now i've not got an official answer but the way this angel oh it's actually did i spoil it

he did he's got shows on saturday yeah he does there's no way he's gonna be he's got sold out theater out there in Vegas. It's not Chris Angel. You can take Chris Angel off the list. But he might just appear. You never know. He's a magician. I have not got a response. So we're not completely confirmed on who this is, but believe me,

worth a watch. 100%. In the football world. Yeah. I don't want to get too many people too excited here. Yeah, right. But it's going to be sick. And some of the shit that we're trying to, in theory, set up. Paul.

In theory. Yeah, in theory, it will be worth a watch. In theory, it'll be worth it. To your point, in theory, wires have been connected. Hell yeah. To pull off what we're looking to pull off. That's right. With that being said, last time we were in the middle of the show

and the whole thing just collapsed. That is true. So in theory, that wasn't supposed to happen. No, no, no, no. So there's a lot. There's a lot that goes into all of it. So I understand your point. Execution is king.

But to the review process, Connor, I believe you were going to add on something. Yeah, do they? Because I honestly can't think of a legitimate reason on why they wouldn't want to do it, and they obviously can't do what they first thought and kind of hold it to a different standard but is their thinking more so like hey if we you know go to review every single rough in the passer are people going to want them want to go and review every holding and i think everything should be reviewed yeah i do too like the xfl had it i thought didn't you like the xfl had it the xbox

xbox controller former players i think they're all former players they were taught what the rule they had to go through an entire certification thing they had every camera angle available to them it wasn't just the tv people picking which one they're seeing and he was in a booth in the building direct ear to the ref run the thing on slow-mo uh actually that was a a booth in the building, direct ear to the ref, run the thing on slow-mo. Actually, that was a fumble on the 24. Ball's out. They got it. Boom.

Right down. We heard it all. You know, it was very transparent. We heard what that person was saying, why that person was saying. There was a camera over the shoulder showing what they were looking at, why they were saying what they were saying. I don't know if the NFL would ever be that transparent with it all, but that process could easily be duplicated and correct a lot of things.

Holdings on every single play, I guess, to your point. So I'm not sure. Is there just egregious ones that get called, or do you guys just – What if there's not, though? What if there's – what if someone – what if Chris Jones makes that hit last night and they don't throw the flag? Is it reviewable to try to see if it is roughing the passer then? No, I think it has to be called on the field. Otherwise, that's – Could the other coach challenge you and be like, okay, this is roughing the passer then? No, I think it has to be called on the field.

Otherwise, that's – Could the other coach challenge you and be like, hey, this is roughing the passer and throw a flag? Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. Because then what is it? Then they have to go into the bylaws of how it's exactly wrote now. Yeah.

And then would they just change the call like on the pass interference one? Could some teams say like, well, it was a pass interference. It was a legal contact or a holding? Yeah, thank you. Yeah, right. Pass interference, vastly different than – I mean, pass interference is late in the season here with the go back through, and we saw a couple last night.

Yeah, and the Ravens-Bengals as well. There's going to be – yeah, there's a big one. There's going to be games that are very late that are playoff implications. Yeah. That there's going to be a 55 yard penalty that's going to happen and we're all going to be pissed off about it and it's going to be like we can't review it you know why because some old didn't know how to operate the entire review process and they held it to a higher standard than it was on the field when everybody on earth knew

something was either right or wrong the nfl was somehow going the opposite direction it's like i don't think in theory that's the problem. I think it's just execution. We've got to keep beating that drum. Let's continue to move around. Ron Rivera gave an interesting answer to a question just yesterday in his press conference. And we have the entire video, and we would like to play it now

because I don't want to elude any narrative-building things before this. Ron Rivera chatted with the media yesterday. He was asked a question. He gave a one-word answer. Then there was a give and take that is worthy of a listen. Here's Washington Commodores head coach Ron Rivera. Nailed it. Why do you think the teams in the division are farther ahead at this point?

Quarterback. Is that – I mean, with quarterback, like the cowboys for instance they're they don't have back prescott this season and still have been able to they started with when they started with that and they build around back and the offense is built around back um their backup's a guy that is very solid inside of it inside of what they do um and the truth is that this is a quarterback-driven league. And if you look at the teams that have been able to sustain success, they've been able to build it around a specific quarterback. Chose the quarterback here, though, so do you have any regrets about that?

No, I've got no regrets about that quarterback. I think our quarterback has done some good things. There's been a couple games that he's struggled. But you look at his numbers from yesterday, and you would say, okay, look at his numbers he's had throughout the year. There was a time he was, you know, very solid. And then, you know, we had the unfortunate Philadelphia game, and he struggled a little bit in the Dallas game.

But the way he performed yesterday, it just shows you what he's capable of. And, you know know we chose him because we believe him we chose him because we looked at what we felt were things that pointed towards him interesting answer there from ron rivera who's former player aj your thoughts immediately following hearing that particular give and take from reporter who had some great follow-ups you're the one who picked him right aren't you guys the ones that did that that's an interesting question but what is your take on Ron Rivera there I mean I'm kind of with Alex Smith here and Alex Smith had a little rant talking about how

he what drove the bus over Carson Wentz it sounds like he backed up over him when it's true like it is a full team situation but I guess Ron Rivera we we blame coaches that are speaking cliche and are not honest at least you have to respect that he feel I feel like rivera's being pretty honest he's not super happy with the quarterback position yeah i'm a firm believer that the head coach cannot bury the quarterback i'm a firm believer that the gm can't bury the quarterback can't bury anybody publicly you can handle that behind closed doors to your point though he gave a very honest answer i think at the beginning and then towards the end there he had to walk. I think he realized what he said. Oh, shit, I just threw our guy right directly under the bus.

And then he said, you know, struggling in this game, struggling in this game. You look at his numbers, you can see, like, what he is. It's okay. But this is continuing to be kind of a thing here. Now, Commanders fans are going to say that I say stuff about Carson Wentz, and I do. The thing that I say about Carson Wentz

is I'm happy he's not our quarterback anymore. I'm happy that my Sunday's happiness isn't dependent upon Carson Wentz playing quarterback well for the team that I am openly rooting for on a daily basis because they paid me millions and millions of dollars to kick a ball, and I was grossly overpaid, and I appreciate them for that. Him going to the commanders was something that I thought was going to be a success story for him and for the commanders. He had a chance to maybe learn from what happened in Philly, what happened in Indianapolis, where they weren't just saying on the field stuff in which he was incredibly reckless with the ball. Let's not get crazy. Had great moments with the Colts and with the Eagles. Has the potential to be an incredible quarterback, but everything around Indy was alluding to the fact about off the field. Like in the locker room, was he the guy that we wanted

a quarterback, that we paid $30 million? Is he an NFL franchise quarterback with the way he handles himself around the team, around the coaches, day in, day out? That was a lot of the shit that was getting leaked out of Indianapolis. I'm not saying I saw it. I did not. I'm just saying that's what was talked about. So I wonder if that is also going into what Ron Rivera is saying. Like, hey, why is your team like that? Quarterback? It's like, well, fuck, you just threw a guy. It would have to be. That's what I took it. I took it as that. Like, if he loved everything Carson was doing, except for like what was happening on the field, like, hey, we just got to get him in the best position so he can play well and like i love this dude i love his

his approach how he leads this squad that's the that's an answer that we didn't get from ron rivero like it sounds like to me yeah we're evaluating everything and we don't know what we're gonna do at quarterback yeah and we we heard a lot of similar shit out of indy last year now we're not saying that carson wants cancer what is it though what what did we hear though like what is car is he like aloof what is it i have no idea. What is it, October 11th? Hunting season just started. That guy's not even fucking. He's there for practice, and then boom.

He's calling the mallards in the field. He's moving gravel with his bobcat. I think he loves football, but I don't think he gives a shit whether they win or lose. I don't think that is affecting his happiness off the field at all because he's got hunting season he's got his bobcat gear he's a god-fearing man he's got you know he's got jesus he's got church on sunday there's nothing wrong with all that stuff there's nothing wrong with all that stuff but i don't think if if it isn't ripping your heart out like when you lose i don't think you're ever winning a super bowl with that guy. I think so. I think, you know, the ball is the program. Everywhere I've ever played football,

every coach that I've ever heard talk about football, and I was very lucky to be dropped into the football culture basically in college and ride the coattails of a lot of people and listen to a lot of football smarts and hang around some of the greatest to ever do it in the game. This is the thing that matters. And for me, my only issue with Carson is it seems as if he does not give a fuck about this thing at all he'll put it in jeopardy all the time whether it's throwing running he'll balance the ball off the ground he'll fumble it he just doesn't give a fuck about the program

because I think he is loose like I think that is the style of play he's like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go I'm gonna do my thing but every time He's like, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to do my thing. But every time he's talked about by people that are in the building with him, it doesn't sound like it's just a football thing. It's like, this is not what we thought we were getting at NFL quarterback. AQ, I'll ask you because you've been around a lot of quarterbacks.

A lot of great quarterbacks. Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, Arsene Palmer, Michael Vick, Tyler Murray, Ben Roethlisberger. You've been around a lot of quarterbacks. Off the field, I think it is important for your trigger man to be a leader. We go as the quarterback goes. The quarterback sets the tone for a lot of the teams.

Like any of the good teams, the quarterback's the guy. Is that what this is all about, you think, for Ron Rivera? Because that is not a cool thing to do as a head coach of a football team going into week six to your quarterback, I think personally. It's a quarterback-driven league, like you said. I was 100% on board with Ron Rivera's comments on what he said. Having said that, you cannot fucking say that. You cannot say that.

Every player in that locker room now is sitting there like. So, Ron feels the same way we do. Yeah. So, when Ron walks into a team meeting and goes, our core best will make the right decision for us. We know that. We have absolute faith in that guy. In the secondary, who's been watching what he's been doing,

is like, Ron doesn't believe that. Ron, we literally just. Ron. We heard you, Ron. You sat. You did the leg cross thing. I did. Now just... Ron. We heard you, Ron. You sat. You did the leg cross thing even in the middle. You even did it. Now they're going to ask the players, though.

They're going to ask guys on offense. What do you think? Is the quarterback the problem with this offense? Like, now the player's going to have to answer for stuff that their head coach said. And it's a shame that that is the real world, but you give an actual answer. You kind of lend an eye into what it's like behind the curtain. Now people are even more intrigued, especially in D.C., if the commanders continue to stink.

I mean, can't say it. I don't think about your trigger man publicly. But I do believe this is something that has been said about Carson here. Yeah, multiple times. You know, a couple times. Joining us right now, not only the college football national champion, Super Bowl champion A.J. Hawk, but the man who's the back-to-back NFL MVP, four-time in total, three-and-two Packers quarterback, ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers.

Hey! What's up, dude? Hey, guys. Are we audio good today? I think so. You sound good. I think A.J. can hear everybody. A.J., can you hear Aaron?

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Let's go, dude. Thank you AJ can hear everybody. AJ, can you hear Aaron? Oh yeah. Loud and clear. Let's go. Thank you, Zeke. Appreciate you, Zeke. Aaron, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Turns out you get into a multi-million dollar new studio. You're going to still get shit fucked up every day, basically, it seems like, Aaron. Chaos theory, my friend.

Oh, I'll look into that. Hopefully that's in the next book of the Aaron Rodgers Book Club 2.0. Let's dive into it. Let's chit-chat about this past weekend. How was the London trip? Aside from the game, did you enjoy going to London? Did you enjoy the fact that it seemed like there's a lot of Packers fans over there leading up to the game? Did you enjoy the London experience, Aaron? Yeah, I had a blast. It was incredible. Again, I wish we could have a few more days, but we landed and tried to stay awake the entire day. So Alan and I and Adam, our nutritionist, decided

to head over to Wembley, which was incredible, and watch our U.S English women's national team. Lady Lions. Great game. And we got to go down the field. The pitch is incredible. The stadium. I mean, it was rocking, too. There was, I don't know how many thousands of fans,

but I think it was a sellout in like 24 hours. And got to watch the game with many of the cast of Ted Lasso which is a favorite show of mine which was a lot of fun have a nice little Friday Saturday relaxed a little bit more but I tell you the fans were incredible big shout out to all the fans I got to interact with who

are fans of this show which is incredible not just fans of yourself, AJ a little bit, big fans of Ty, of course. Hell yeah. And big fans of the book club as well. Really? Yeah, I took a picture with a guy

who had the art of contemplation, actually, in his hand. He's like, look, I'm a book club fan. But there was a lot of book club comments, a lot of comments about, hey, I watched you on Tuesdays with Pat. So big shout out to all those fans. But the fans were incredible there. I mean, a lot of comments about, hey, I watched you on Tuesdays with Pat. So big shout out to all those fans. But the fans were incredible there. I mean, it was 70-30 probably Packers fans at least.

Maybe not 70-30. Maybe it was like 70-15 and then 15 who didn't really care and just wore the jersey of their favorite team or whatever. But it was awesome. Great experience other than the outcome of the game. But something that was really fun for all of us. We stayed at this place called The Grove, which is near Watford. Excellent hospitality.

The food was outstanding. The rooms were great. Beautiful scenery. So, I mean, everything was first class all the way. So we all, I think, had a good time. A lot of guys, like I said afterwards, first time leaving North America, so that was cool for them. I thought we handled the time changed pretty well yeah i was about to ask that's early 9 30 kickoff here in america you leave on thursday how does the body get ready for

that i guess you just hang out with ted lasso all day that's kind of how you get yeah well you just try try and uh you know sleep on the plane on the way over wasn't a cakewalk by any means. But got a couple hours and then just tried to stay up as long as possible, not really nap. And, you know, Friday night I slept really, really well. Saturday not as good. But Friday night was like nine hours uninterrupted sleep. That's incredible. That's amazing.

Yeah, that was like better than I sleep in the States. But, yeah, overall, really fun trip. And, you know, just to see the response from the fans was incredible. You know, even walking around Wembley, you know, and seeing people in Packers jerseys was, you know, just surreal. It really is, you know, we have fans around the world. And talking to a few friends of mine who were in town for a long weekend for the game, they found multiple bars that were like Packer bars in London, which is, you know,

I think it's just a reminder, especially, you know, for NFL players, how far the reach is, but Green Bay Packers players, just how deep, you know, our fan base is around the world. It's a reminder how special it is to be able to play in Green Bay. just how deep our fan base is around the world. It's a reminder how special it is to be able to play in Green Bay. Hell yeah. What about now? You guys don't have a bye, obviously. You come right back. How do you feel now?

Is your schedule this week any different than a normal week? The only difference is Monday is usually kind of a flush recovery day with a workout, and we had Monday completely off so it's kind of like the first off day completely off of the season which is which nice today was kind of a standard Tuesday other the workout was a little bit different usually we you know we squat on Tuesdays so didn't do that it was more of kind of the flush workout today tomorrow's is maybe a little bit later start, I believe. But I think everybody's probably starting to feel a little bit better.

I talked to some guys this morning, said they're still kind of dealing with some jet lag, but we'll be ready to go by Sunday. The next two weeks, I haven't looked at the entire schedule, but are our first, you know, noon central kicks. You only have one noon central on the books now, kickoff at Lambeau this year, and it's going to be this weekend. It's the Jets, and I believe we go to Washington

and have a noon central, one Eastern kickoff next week. So this will be good for us to experience these earlier games. We've been playing either a primetime slot or in that 325 slot. How about some of those West Coast teams that are kicking off to experience these earlier games. We've been playing either a primetime slot or in that 325 slot. How about some of those West Coast teams that are kicking off at 10 a.m. local time sometimes just for a regular season game? It's wild, the East Coast bias, but we appreciate you guys sticking through it. Let's talk about the game that you had over there in London Town.

Obviously, the introduction, you got a massive pop. There's cheeseheads everywhere. Their chants were awesome. I can't wait for a team to go over there. I think it's inevitable. Roger Goodell talked about maybe an entire division. I'm excited for their fan base to kind of dive all the way into the NFL because the hooligans are fucking awesome. We can all agree with that.

Let's talk about the game. Wink Martindale, obviously OG defensive coordinator. Seemed like you guys had things rolling early. Second half, different story. What was it you think? Do you think it was something they were doing, you guys were doing, whenever you had a little bit of trouble there, or was it a combination of both, Aaron?

Well, I think sometimes a lot of that gets skewed based on the coin toss. You know, they won the toss, deferred, obviously, so we hit the ball. So in the first half, we had basically one more possession than them and you know the second half we basically had one drive and then got the ball back with around 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter for our second drive so it wasn't necessarily a ton of stuff that they did it was we just didn't get the ball you know had a good drive, our first drive in the second half after they made it 20 to, what was it, 2013 I think it was. And we drove down and then got sacked on third down. And then didn't get the ball until the fourth quarter

with about 10 left, all tied up. We had three passes. Two of them had a pretty good chance to complete and didn't. And then punted it away. And the next thing you know, two of them had a pretty good chance to complete and didn't and then punted it away. And the next thing you know, we're, you know, in two-minute drive to try and – two-minute style drive to try and tie the game up. So that was really what happened. You know, I have a ton of respect for Wink. I think he's a fantastic coach.

They got a good scheme. They got really good players. But they're aggressive. They come after you. You know, they had a lot of different pressures. They had edge pressure. They had overload pressure. They had empty pressure. So they threw a lot at us. I thought we handled it for the most part pretty well. We just had basically the one sack, not counting the last Hail Mary attempt. So I thought the line held up pretty good. We ran the ball decent. They got some studs inside. 97 is a premier player and needs to probably get some more recognition

for the ability that he has. Talking with our interior three, they think he's one of the top guys in the league for sure, and he played, obviously, really well for them. But they play really well together. They fly the ball. And, you know, we had some opportunities, but I said after the game, you know, our margin of victory right now is – margin of error, sorry, is just it's tiny. You know, we need to increase that through, you know, better on third down, better in situational football, get some turnovers on defense.

And look, we're five games in, we're three and two. You know, we're in the mix after five. You know, we're in the mix after five. We've got a stretch right here coming up after this home game of a few road games in a row that we're going to have to go on the road and win in some other environments. So we can overreact. You can't. There's another game coming right down the pipeline that's going to be difficult.

And we've learned that through this Aaron Rodgers Tuesday experience. There's been some games that have not gone great for the Packers, and you've shown up, and you're like, hey, we got another game coming. We can't let what happened then happen again, and I appreciate that. And do you hear the overreaction? For instance, there was some shit discourse in the locker room after the game, both Schneidman with you talking about Jair Alexander's answer about manifestation, and if we lose next week, then we'll panic. And then Aaron Jones also saying, you give me and A.J. Dillon a couple shots from the two-yard line, we feel like we're going to get in there.

It's early in the season for this type of stuff to happen. Do you feel any of that? Do you hear about any of that? And is it getting blown out of proportion, you think, outside of the building like what we normally do, Aaron? Yes, of course it is. Okay, good, good, good. Happy to hear that. Look, I love Jair.

He's one of my all-time favorite teammates. He's a fantastic guy. I wasn't even referencing his comments. You know, there was a comment made in the locker room. And any time, you know, I'm speaking in front of the guys after a game or I'm at the podium or I'm on this show, and same for everybody else. You know, I do my weekly on Wednesday in front of the locker room, in the locker room, everybody else has their different times who are speakers.

We are the mouthpieces to set the narrative for the locker room, and there's an important responsibility with that because whatever I say or a coach says or a star player says is going to be echoed naturally throughout the locker room because guys are going to repeat things that they hear, motifs, themes, whatever it might be. And so I really feel like it's important that we're speaking the right messages. So, again, I wasn't, you know, taking a shot at Jair at all. I love Jair, man. He's an incredible guy.

taking a shot at Jair at all. I love Jair. He's an incredible guy. He's a guy who has got a beautiful spiritual path that he's on. He's a deeply thoughtful, insightful, and meditative guy. He knows the power of manifestation. I think we just got to be careful with some of those conversations because it becomes the narrative, positive or negative. So I was just trying to not rebuke anything but just to refocus, like just remember how powerful our words are with the ability to manifest our thoughts and our thoughts become our reality. So as far as what Jonesy said, yeah, for sure, man. You know, look at the last play.

They brought an empty pressure. But for whatever reason, they had a three-man side on the left. Maybe if I hand the ball off to AJ, he scores. Obviously, if it's empty pressure, you're not really thinking hand the ball off. You're thinking take a shot. They had Allen on one side, Cobby basically on the other side who were possibilities. Chose Allen.

The guy, you know, was perfect with his timing, getting his hands up. Maybe if he throw to Cobby, might have a better chance or maybe adjust the route to Allen. But that's that, you know, that second-guessing stuff. And, you know, we had a couple opportunities. We had opportunities earlier in the drive, I think, to score. And we were kind of milking the clock a little bit, you know, looking back maybe trying to get that thing in a few plays earlier might have been

the way to go got it hey how confident were you at the end that last like when you had a hill mary i was thinking hey worst case scenario you throw it in the end zone penalty you get a free play from the one where you when you're dropping back for that last player you're thinking all right this is this is going to be a walk off right here in london it's awesome also how you feeling because you ate up ate a nice shot right there in that last one. You were on the 30. That would have been a 70-plus yard huck. The load-up that you had to have for that crow hop. I mean, this...

I give them credit. They didn't let you crow hop like you normally can. I give them a lot of credit. Four-man pressure, not normal either, right? Normally, it's just three guys. Everybody else dropping back. You got, oh, smoke there. You're going from the 30. You had... That ball is going five yards deep in the end zone from there. And what was the pain on that? to you know yeah i mean that that was about at the edge for sure i've run some 70 before that would have been on the edge it was one of those where i felt

good up until the moment of of uh releasing that ball that it would have been close for sure and you know our guys are battling. It's tough. You know, when you're throwing from the 40 or the 50, it's a lot different, the timing on it. You don't need seven, eight seconds. You need three or four. And then launch it high.

It'll give you guys enough time to get in the end zone. When you're throwing from the 30, you need a good seven or eight seconds. So I was trying to dance around to get myself to a spot where I could, you know, get the ball up. And there's one of those things where you get kind of rocked, and you're kind of after the fact. There's obvious disappointment that the game is over and awareness of what's going on behind you.

John Runyon picked the ball up and was running around. He looked good. Maybe get him the ball. He looked good. Yeah, I was sitting next to john on the bus on the way back and it's you know linemen don't have a lot of opportunities for that glory you know for the glory of having the ball in our hands i mean i saw one in uh new england 2010 that was one of the greatest plays ever and that guy great return almost for a touchdown aj

was there for that but uh but john was rewinding that back a few times on his iPad, checking his form, maybe his ball security a little bit. So, you know, nice moment for John there. But I was taking kind of a record of where I was at in my body. You know, shoulders okay, neck okay, neck's all right, knees okay. My thumb was a little banged up. That's the only spot that's bothering's bottomed me a little bit bennett still jerry says you gotta be able to spin it that's gotta be able to spin it is that gonna mess you up any moving forward you got the

bennett fracture dude is everything okay i think i think i'll be able to spin i think it feel better later in the week okay because, because you do that. How far can you throw left-handed, Aaron? Oh, I can't throw it all left-handed. I hurt my arm in high school pitching, and so I spent the first month of kind of the summer not really throwing, letting my arm heal, and tried to throw left-handed and got really good. could throw it 30 yards and then i popped something on my shoulder

and i haven't been able to throw a ball you know 15 yards with my left hand so every now and then i throw you know some laterals and stuff or screen passes you know pitches left but i overhand left i i can't do it okay a Aaron there was a moment I think it was before the last play where you there's a timeout it might have been the last play or the second last play I don't remember because it was an early morning over here when we were watching it play and there was a lot of other games that took place timeout you go over to the floor you on the floor talking it appears as if the floor says you want to run that with a question mark is is that a conversation that takes place before every

play before big plays and what was said there and what was ultimately a decision that was made there yeah i mean i wanted to run this play that we've run in the past that i felt like was going to give all three of the guys on the one side a good chance to win. And they played it pretty good, honestly. They had a lot of guys up near the line of scrimmage playing man on the backside, and it didn't quite shape out. Now, that being said, I was trying to fit the ball through that wall of arms there on the left side. And in my mind, the ball gets through.

It could be a touchdown to Cob copy there on the end break. It was tight coverage, but I felt good about the throw. Unfortunately, the ball got tipped way up in the air and nobody caught it. But, yeah, Matt had an idea about a play. I had an idea about a play. I liked both plays and just basically said, hey, whatever one you think, and jogged back out there to kind of give some reminders to the guys in the end of calling on the play that I was leaning towards. Well, that's very good.

Hey, look at that. I thought you two hated each other. Oh, yeah. We'll get along. Let's talk about somebody you get along very well with. Cobby had a big day. You know, Cobby had a big day. One week ago in this conversation, you said,

Randall Cobb's got himself back into shape. It seems like he's ready to go. He's earned a lot more reps, and we should have kind of seen it coming while it was going to take place on Sunday. You were feeding him. He looked like he was flying around. It did look like it was like five, six years ago, Randall Cobb. Do you see that going forward? And you know, what is it about Cobb that makes you so much more comfortable with him this year than maybe last year or, you know, anybody else on the team? I mean, I don't think there's a a difference this year and last year it's just what he's done to put himself in position to have an opportunity to make more plays uh you know he was dealing with some injuries coming out of houston

and then obviously uh had the core injury last year uh in a game where he had his most yards 95 yards in the first half there um i just felt like he was trending in this direction where he was going to get more opportunities. Now, 13 targets was not the expected. I don't know when the last time he had 13 targets in a game was. But he made the most of a lot of them. Many of them were subtle adjustments. There were a few actual plays called. And he's not a guy that we call a ton of plays for.

He just kind of gets the first 40-yarder he had was an off schedule. Somehow went through a sea of arms right into his gut, and, you know, turned into another explosive gain on a third down. But there were some other subtle adjustments that we've, that we talked about. One that we kind of put in, you know, on Friday that worked absolutely to perfection on the two-minute drive in the first half. Again, you know, I had two opportunities for touchdowns. One, they brought empty pressure on the two-minute drive in the first half, and he had one-on-one, and I just slightly underthrown him. Looked like it could have been, you know, some interference there,

but, you know, needed to put that ball another yard out there for him. And then, again, on the last play, he ran a good route. It would have been tight coverage, but an opportunity there for a touchdown. So, you know, I got a lot of trust in him, always have. Love what he's done to get himself, you know, really back to, I think, running like he was running a few years ago and healthy and not having, you know, nagging things he's dealing with, you know, throughout the week.

And that being said, you know, I don't want to do this every single week, but I will say one guy that I was really, really happy to get the ball to was Big Dog. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. What a touchdown. What a play design. Yeah, that was a great play design that Hackett brought to us a few years ago,

and we've been working on that for a while. And it's nice to get to, you know, Big Dog's had so many touchdowns in London over the years, playing for Jacksonville. Last time he was there, I think he had three touchdowns in the game. So we definitely wanted to get him a touch. But, yeah, I've talked many times about our best 11, right? And over and over, Big Dog's showing up

and dominating the line of scrimmage in the run game. And, you know, I hope we can keep getting him opportunities, you know, here and there in the pass game when we can. Because he is, even though he's 280 and 6'11", he's very elusive with the ball in his hand. Yeah. And, you know, He can do little things in the passing game,

especially in the red zone. I hope we can get him some more looks. Obviously, we've got to get Allen more involved too, whether that's calling more plays for him or me giving him a few more looks. Allen is such a talented guy for us. We've got to find ways to get

the ball in his hand. Love that you said last week about Cobb, and then this weekend Cobb did his thing. Now it's Big Dog. Let's remember that going into the weekend. Let's remember that. Quarterback doing his thing, saying his thing. Hopefully we'll be able to see the Big Dog out there. You know, he is the only first-round draft pick that you've ever thrown a touchdown to. Old Big Dog.

That gets stated every time you complete a pass to him. That is kind of the talking point. Not that he's been in the NFL for like 19 years or something like that. How long has Big Dog been in the NFL? Well, he's the only draft pick left from the 06 draft. I'm the only one left from the 05 draft. And then there's two kickers

I believe left from the 07 draft. One of them is on our team. So we have three of the older guys in the league. That being said, not counting Tom, who was drafted in the 90s, I believe. Ty, your question for Aaron. Aaron, it's comforting hearing you

say all this stuff because Pat mentioned overreaction Monday. We have to do what we have to do. I think you know that fans kind of live and die every single week. That's just because our expectations are so high, especially with you. We expect the Packers to win every single week, and that's just because our expectations are so high, especially with you. We expect the Packers to win every single week, so it's comforting knowing that we're not, you know,

bearing down a relaxed situation. But I'm curious, what were the field conditions like over there? Because I know there was that massive seam down the turf, and a lot of people were saying the flight coupled with that was maybe by why bach didn't play the whole game just to kind of rather be safe than sorry there um what was it different playing on that that turf or did that affect anything at all or not really well first i believe that that might have been a the key factor in in in Dave not going the whole time was the long flight and then

playing on field surf. I thought the turf was in fine shape. It was maybe a little firmer than some of the other surfaces, maybe above other surfaces, but maybe a little more firm than the average surface. But going back to your first statement, let me just emphasize this. We, I'll speak for myself, I absolutely love the fact that the expectations are high. I mean, think about other places around the league. It's not like that. You know, the expectation of every time you take the field, greatness and winning and excellence,

it's been laid down through generations of Packer people, you know, coaches, front office people, and obviously players, the standard of excellence. And we embrace that. And we really do. And we know what comes along with that is when we don't achieve victory, the scrutiny is probably a little higher. But I wouldn't have it any other way. I mean, this is what we want. We want an expectation of greatness and winning every time we take the field, because this is what Green Bay is all about.

It's about a standard of excellence. And the excellence is related to a championship caliber potential. Every year we take the field and we embrace that. I embrace that. I love that. And when we come up short, we're going to be accountable. And at the same time, we're not going to panic.

We're not going to, you know, flip out, go crazy. We're going to, you know, get back to the basics and the most important things that help us do what we do and find a way to get on the right track. And hopefully this week will be a bounce back. I will say that, you know, it was two three-and-one teams. You know, people, we were, I think, favored, but maybe people haven't given the Giants enough credit. Obviously, they have a dynamic running back who's playing at a really high level. But the defense and Wink, you know, throws a lot of things at you,

and they're a good football team. And obviously, the NFC East is a five-and- oh team and two four and one teams right now so um you know we still got to face uh two of those uh teams and obviously washington on the road um so but look the to sum that all up we play in green bay the standard is the standard we love it we wouldn't want it any other way. Hell yeah. We're going to keep striving for that greatness and hopefully we return to the winning ways this week. That's why the stadium was 70%, 15%,

15% because of what you just said. Fuck yeah. Yeah, Ty's about to fuck it. He just put a hole in it. Six to midnight. Go ahead, AJ. Your question for Aaron. Aaron, were you surprised at all by the support that you had personally? I feel like every picture I saw on Twitter or whatever, there was 5,012 jerseys walking to the stadium.

And I feel like you're like an adopted son over there for whatever reason. Ain't going. Is that because you and Sudeikis are boys or what? Don't be going to a Harry Styles concert either. Especially now. Yeah, especially now. You're on Ted Lasso. I know. That's Harry Styles concert either. Whoa. Especially now. Yeah, especially now. You're on Ted Lasso. I know.

That's what I'm saying. AJ. Look, Harry's a big Packer fan and a friend of mine. So I'm always going to be a supporter of him. I love Ted Lasso. It's a great show. I had a great time with Coach Beard, a big Chicago Bears fan, actually. I got to meet Jamie Tartt and Roy Kent as well.

They were very nice. But it was fun. It was fun to be around them. It looks like they've got a really close-knit group. We'll see how many more seasons they do, but I know they enjoy being over there and i think the english uh audience is starting to embrace i was asking jason about that how you know obviously in america ted lasso is humongous but it's a big and uh in england and europe and he said he said it feels like it's more embraced and coach beard was saying his level of fame has uh has risen.

And I said, well, that's what you get for writing an episode all about you. Yes. Because he's one of the writers on the show, which was one of the best episodes I thought in the last season was the Coach Beard episode. But, yeah, it was fun hanging out with those guys. And as far as the support, it was great from the start. There were a ton of people at the Grove who we got to interact with. One guy who was hiding out in the woods,

who they had to kick off property a couple times. He was trying to get close to some of us. But the security was pretty tight at the Grove. I mean, it was pretty locked down. But the fans were great. And we walked through the airport post-game game and there was a ton of fans and I was stopping and taking pictures and sign in for as many as I could. But then that's when a lot of the conversations happen about, Hey,

I'm a big fan of the show and I love the book club. And that was really cool because people from, you know, Germany, I'm from Germany. I'm from, you know, obviously England. I'm from Wales. I'm from Scotland, Ireland, Netherlands. People from all over. So that was pretty awesome to be able to see those people. Thank them for coming. Obviously, you know, we feel bad about losing, but big thanks for the support. Just to correct something that AJ added in there, we appreciate all those people as well. An international book club is a cool thing that I never thought that I'd have any

association with. Nobody from Qatar was there, right? We don't know. Nobody said they're from, I think it's pronounced Qatar, I believe. You're right. Qatar. I do apologize. Qatar. That is 100% on me. I would say Qatar.

Well, they were the worst team on the old FIFA soccer game. Now they're hosting the World Cup. It's going to go great. It's going to go great. Yeah. Nobody's upset about that at all. Let's talk about people being upset about stuff.

This roughing the passer call stuff that's happening. Tom Brady, obviously, with Grady Jarrett this weekend, called by Jerome Boger, called one against the Bills or against the Ravens against the Bills last week. Then last night, there's a situation where Chris Jones strips the ball clearly, takes it from Derek Hart, tries to brace himself going down. Doesn't matter, the refs say, when you're in a throwing posture, that's going to take place.

You can't review roughing the passer. It's really end-all, be-all, and it's affecting games. You're a quarterback. You've taken massive shots. I assume some of the rules that have been put in place are to save guys like you, to make you play longer. What are your thoughts on that? Tom Brady said, I don't throw the flags.

And I think Tom Brady has gone out and said that the game's much easier now. He didn't like the calls. I think you've said the same thing. But what do you think about how we fix it? How do we fix it? Is it fixable? And where do you stand on the whole roughing the pass or maybe being a reviewable penalty situation yeah look they tried to do

that with pass interference a couple years ago it's tough because it's there's a big subjective nature to that call and i don't know how much you can see objectivity in a slow-motion replay. You know, look, as a quarterback, there's times where we feel like football players and times where we don't. You know, and what I mean by that is football is a collision sport. It's a contact sport. And so when we're involved in those collisions, there's part of us, maybe it's the kid in us who grew up, you know, not necessarily playing quarterback, playing defense, playing running back, playing linebacker,

tackling, you know, doing more of the stuff that everybody else in the field is doing every single time, not just, you know, dropping back and throwing the ball and not getting hit every single play. There's something about that that I think we do enjoy. You know, we enjoy the contact. single player. There's something about that that I think we do enjoy. We enjoy the contact. It is tough to play defense. The strike zones for tacklers has totally changed. You can't hit guys over the middle like you used to. And then policing the quarterback position is the number one thing. And there's been multiple hits that have changed the course, the direction of roughing the passer, which makes it really tough. We've been on the wrong side of a few of those calls over the years that kind of look similar to the play last night.

I don't know, and again, I'm making a generalization here and just speaking for myself, though, but I personally am not begging for those calls, that call last night. Like, I don't know what else Chris Jones can do on that play. And that would not be a call I'd be begging to hit. The things that I think are most important is the shots to the head. That's the most important thing. It's the shots to the head and the unnecessary roughness ones

where a guy doesn't have to pick you up and throw you down or or the two or three step shots it's like intent almost it's like intentional you're thinking you're saying yeah you know i think it's it's tough with the lower the lower leg ones too because a lot of times those guys are already on the ground or going to the ground. So I think the intent of the rule is protection of quarterback, and it's a quarterback-driven league, right? We have to understand that.

But the enforcement is very difficult for all referees. I know both those referees, I mean, we've had them, both Jerome and Carl, they're both great refs, you know, and I think they both felt like they made the right call. It's heave the moment. It's bang, bang. It's quick. Those are difficult calls for sure, but it's more difficult in defense because I don't know if I'm coaching defense in line and I'm sitting with Chris Jones in a meeting on Wednesday, what am I telling him? What are you supposed to do different? I mean, what is it? And I think that doesn't really get talked about whenever you're asking Carl why he made the call.

But him doubling down on it, being like, well, in a throwing posture, they have protection. And I get the NFL is run by the quarterbacks. But, man, there's some big time. They go down to score. I mean, it is. It's big games are being decided by this quarterbacks. But, man, there's some big time. They go down to score. I mean, it's big games are being decided by this whole thing. And I'm happy to hear your take on it, but you have to compliment every ref because guess what? Probably have them this upcoming weekend.

So just keep doing that, Aaron. We'll keep doing the bad stuff. Listen, it's a tough job. I mean, I'm not bullshitting. It's a tough job. Agreed, yeah. Everything happens in fractions of seconds, and you have to make decisions which could impact games on what you're seeing.

And I don't think it's to go down the road of reviewing it. I think we might end up in the same spot we did with pass interference, where there's gray areas, and then one call changes the entire trajectory of all other calls that fit under that standard. And I don't think when we did pass interference, I don't think what was accomplished was what we had hoped. Because, like I said, one call refereed and interpreted a certain way changed the review process on every other play. And I just think that that's what's going to happen when you have a subjective call. There's intent involved.

And when intent is involved, on a foundational level, takes it out of a purely objective rule. And I think there's so much gray area that it may do more harm than good. Yeah, none of us know the right answer, I guess, at this point. I'm happy to hear your take on it. But, Aaron, if you get picked up and dropped on your head, we're going to be mad about it. Goddamn right.

Throw the flag. If you do a flop, though, we'll also probably, you know what I mean, be mad. Well, you know what I mean? There's a little bit of a gray area. But these refs, I don't think, can tell the difference. If you're flopping around back there, you might be able to pick up a quick 15. Something to think about.

Listen, I'm not telling you to cheat, but just something to think about. You might feel like a weak person, a little bit soft in real time and in the locker room. You might get buried on this show, probably get buried on the Internet, probably get buried. That's a first down, baby. That's right. Move the chains. Are we moving the chains or are we not? You know what I mean, Aaron? I don't think it's worth it. You're right. I can never flop as a punter

either. Somebody comes around, do the whole leg, get a first down. It's like, it's going to be tough for me to talk to my parents. I think after, if I do that, it's going to be tough for me to talk to my friends. My teammates are going to judge me. It's first down though, but still I'm a human. Anyways, let's move on. Good luck this week. It is time for my favorite part of the week, Aaron. This is my favorite part of the week. I learn about things that I would have never learned about in the past. The first season of the Aaron Rodgers Book Club was a smashing success.

It was an international success. There's people from Wales, England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, that are part of the Aaron Rodgers book club. Belgium, Belgium, Belgium, Italy. Grazie, grazie to everybody that joined the Aaron Rodgers book club. Had to run it back. Aaron Rodgers book club 2.0 has been fantastic. We have a great one this week too, which you won't be reading, but it's a great one.

Well, there was The Mastery of Love. There was the 1984. There was The Art of Contemplation. And then this week, Book 4 of the Aaron Rodgers Book Club 2.0. We've learned so much about authors we've never heard of. We read next to none of these books, but we tried our best anyway. Book four of the Aaron Rodgers Book Club 2.0 is? New York Times bestseller, How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan.

Hey, thanks, Paul. Let's go. There's also a Netflix series. If you don't want to read, I know you probably rather watch Netflix. There's a Netflix series with the same name. This is a 400-page book, so it might be best for you to check out the Netflix series. But fantastic book. It was, let's see, one of the top ten best books of 2018.

It's got to be your books, too. one of the top 10 best books of 2018. It's good to hear books too. But the subtitle is What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence.

And a lot of the book as well as the TV show is about the use of psychedelics and other substances to cure PTSD, depression, postpartum, a bunch of different issues that people are dealing with. He's done years and years, decades of research. And I would definitely recommend not just the book for the book lovers, but the Netflix series as well.

Hey, listen,'ll netflix and trip anytime dog you know what i'm saying is this about plants this is all about plants on this thing there's definitely some uh yeah some reference to that i think you'd enjoy it are we talking about the point that you became synonymous with uh no i don't think there's any uh anything about that in there so it's kind of basic level. Anonymous with that now. Yeah, I think so.

Oh yeah. I think for a little bit old Aaron, I was going to be the, you know, for a little bit at least. Uh, but we appreciate that. Can't wait to watch it on Netflix. I hope the readers will read it. Uh, we appreciate your time. Good luck the rest of the week and good luck getting readjusted to the American time zone, pal. Hey, thank you. luck the rest of the week and good luck getting readjusted to the american time zone pal hey thank

you noon central kick this week which all of us nflers we really love those love those hey especially fresh out of a 9 30 a.m kickoff last week local straight into a noon local kickoff hey listen there's an art of contemplation you know and there's a lot of things you can do in there and you can master love all you need to do. And you can go back to 1984 until now and see a lot of similarities. But whenever you're talking about the mastering of changing a mind, change your mind is in noon. It's prime time.

Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, the back-to-back MVP, Aaron Ross. Yeah! All right, before we get out of here, AQ, you make any one of these balls. Come on, Al. I'm going to go with football. Yeah, but you can shoot the basketball, too, if you want. All right.

You make any one of these shots. You made one last week, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah, football. Yeah, you made one last week. If you make this, Ty Schmidt will donate $5,000 to the QuakerHungerClock.com. Here we go, AQ. Ty Schmidt's trying to help the hungry.

Yes. Ty Schmidt's trying to team up with Quaker and Feeding America to make the world a better place. Are you trying to help Ty help people, or are you getting in the way of Ty helping people? AQ Shipley from the Penn State University, proud Nittany Lions. A.Q. Shipley from the Penn State University, proud Nittany Lion. That's right.

Joe Paterno, McQuarrie and the boys, went into his living room, recruited him to be a Nittany Lion. Who else? Will he help feed? Gary was there. Yeah, he was. A.Q. Shipley hosted in the trenches in the bobbled exchange,

looking incredible in the Henley. Thanks. Here we go. Yep. For $5,000. Oh oh that looked good from the start i was trying to bank it too much bad oh boy oh boy you can go down there it can be it can be an nba three it can be an nba three okay and he this son of a bitch you wuss no it's for the it's for helping. This is a good idea. A.Q. Shipley from NBA. Oh, yeah, that helped him. Maybe take a layup.

Jesus Christ, what was that? A.J. Are you shitting me? A.J., this guy doesn't want to help the hungry. You bread for us? Jesus Christ. You have less food for him. I'm a bank.

What a prick. I'm a bank for this one, all right? For Clay Thompson. Bar said he's innocent. There's another ball. One more. Get a little fucking. What the hell?

He's shooting at me. Guy has a broken neck. That's a good point. Ew. Oh, my God. Was that real? Is this just. Hey, bonus ball.

Bonus ball. Bonus ball. From the side. From the corner. You must hate bonus ball. From the side, from the corner. You must hate hungry people. From the corner. Bang. Oh! No!

Hit the rim, though. It's got to be worth something. Is this NBA three-point line so far? It's far. It's far. Yeah, the stage shot really far, too. On the rebound machine. Yeah, he's shooting like Ogascus.

Hey, great in the trenches. A Galskis. We'll donate $2,500 just because. Jeez. QuakerHungerClock.com. That's right. $2,500 is still 10,000 meals. No, $2.5 million.

No, $250,000. Come on. Jesus. Or is it $25,000? $25,000, I think. Yeah. Feeding 25,000 people because you missed. So, feel good about000. Come on. Jesus. Or is it 25,000? 25,000, I think. Yeah. Feeding 25,000 people because you missed. So feel good about it.

Pretty good. There you go. Congrats. 75,000 people are pretty pissed that they're going to bed hungry because you don't make shots. You want one more, AQ, or no? No, that was bad. You want to throw the football again?

Come on. All right, let's go. All right, here you go. Throw that football, Dirty. Oh, no. Yeah, you can miss, let's go. Dorsal fins right here. Throw that football, Dirty. Oh, no. You can miss, Jabba. We got faith. Oh.

Drilled Jabba. That was a good ball, Dirty. Darn. All right, if this one goes in, 10,000. Come on, Al. Okay. See if Phil's not going to be happy it went up. Oh, baby.

Oh, baby. Oh, man. That was good. You're welcome, Phil. Sorry, Hungry. Yeah, Jesus. Oh, baby. Oh, man. That was good. You're welcome, Phil. Sorry, hungry. Yeah, Jesus. Sorry. You want to throw it, Ty?

Well, I was going to say, you want the dorsal fin. What state are the hungry people in? He's got a gyroscopic spear. We know where they're at. Make sure the fin is twisted in the right direction. Is the fin twisted to the left for right-handed throwing? Yeah, make sure you get that all squared away.

Yeah, it's twisted. It helps if you look through it like a range finder before you throw it. Yeah, there you go. That's the one? Yep. I got it. Lock in. I got it. Thank you, Shipley Penn State University. Oh! This guy.

That thing's hard to throw. Hey, here we go. Oh, man. Yeah,'s hard to throw. Hey, here we go. Here we go. Oh, man. Yeah, you got a baby. So close. Throw the chair. Five-hour energy phone line. Oh!

Man, this guy. Throw the helmet. The Steelers have it. Rubik's Cube. Rubik's Cube. Here, I got a golf ball. No, do not throw the brain. All right, anyways, that's it.

I think that's going to be it. How about the mastery of love? Yeah, there we go. Yeah, throw a mastery. ball. No, do not throw the brain. All right, anyways, that's it. I think that's going to be it. How about the mastery of love? Yeah, there we go. Yeah, throw a mastery. Yeah. Oh, train me. Get legs. We're trying to help.

Throw the other books. Throw the other books. We're trying. Can you put one in? Throw the let's ride box. This is 1984. It actually looks like it might float. Yeah.

It does. Heavy duty. Get left. Get left. Get left. They will turn. They will turn. Backboard. Oh.

Need a hard copy. We should put some of those. Don't throw your arm out. He's going to put a hole in the floor. All right. Fingerprints of the gods. Oh. He's gonna put a hole in the floor Some librarians be so fucking pissed dude. No no no no these books. They make them better. Yeah, that's not disrespect I was trying to raise money for the hungry having grit We know the

Indianapolis one doesn't like them. Jeez. Oh. Tough day. Tough day. Small hoops. Bad day. How about Hulkamania? There you go. Give Hulk a toss, brother.

Hit it. Bonus ball. Give Hulk a toss, brother. Hold on. We'll be fine. Hidden bonus ball. Oh! Put it in for the hungry. What if this goes in? It'll be great. Yeah, it's a hidden bonus ball, dude. Ladies and gentlemen, his first attempt. If he makes this in, we will donate $10,000 to QuakerHungerClock.com,

which is Quaker and Eli Manning working together to help feed the hungry from around the United States of America. Shout out to Feeding America, the organization that's doing it all. This is Alan Quay Shipley. Come on, Alan. Super Bowl champion player coach. There it is. Oh, baby.

Oh. That looked good. Don't they all look good? Yeah. Except the basketball shots. Yeah, the basketballs are a little Basketball shots are bad, man That's all we got, bro

Some of those didn't even sniff in that Alright Well You tried I wanted help Yeah Should we try a layup? If you're hungry

And you want to be mad Be mad at that guy In the trenches That's right Alright, thank you to Aaron. Thank you to Kevin O'Connell. Thank you to Eli Manning. Thank you to Kyle Van Noy.

Thank you to AQ Shipley. Thank you to you for watching. Thank you to Jabba for doing his thing today. Thank you to Toxic Table. Hammer. Don! It's about 10 or 15 minutes. A lot of winners.

We got hockey and baseball and football and everything. Backroom, incredible work. AQ, great job. We'll see you all tomorrow in about 20 hours. AJ, you're the man, pal. Thanks, guys. Great show, guys. Good program. All right, good program. See you guys tomorrow. Goodbye.