The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 792 - Monday Night Football Recap, Aaron Rodgers Tuesday Season 3 Week 10, Taylor Heinicke, In The Trenches With AQ Shipley LIVE From The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

On today’s show, Pat, AQ Shipley, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night’s Monday Night Football game and the Washington Commanders massive victory knocking off the previously undefeated Philadelphia Eagles, chatting about the officiating around the league as a whole, and everything else around the league as we wrap up week 10 and look ahead to week 11. Joining the progrum fresh off last night’s massive win is the starting QB for the Washington Commanders, Taylor Heinicke, to chat about the game, his mentality so far this season, what the locker room is like, the plane ride home from the game, his relationship with Terry McLaurin, and what he plans on doing the rest of the week (1:09:54-1:27:31). Later, back-to-back MVP, Super Bowl Champion/MVP, QB of the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers joins the progrum on a short week after Sunday’s massive win over the Cowboys to chat about getting off the Schneider, his pregame discussion with Mike McCarthy, Christian Watson’s huge day, and his preparation for the Mike Vrabel and the Titans on Thursday night (1:50:33-2:07:15). Later, 12 year NFL veteran, AQ Shipley highlights the best offensive line play of the week is his In The Trenches segment (2:07:17-2:29:58). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, November 15th, 2022. And this dumbass show from the Thunderdome begins right now. Football! Is done with its week 10 slate of the NFL season. Last night's Monday Night Football game showcased the only undefeated team in the NFL going into last night, the Philadelphia Eagles, at home against the Washington Commanders. And lo and behold, after a game of field goal kicks and moxie, the Washington Commanders deliver the Philadelphia Eagles their first L of the season.

We'll have Taylor Heineke joining us at 1.20 Eastern Standard Time, the quarterback for the Commanders, not only last night, but in four games. He's 3-1 as their quarterback. Now, he didn't throw for a single touchdown last night, only an interception. But the motherfucker's a winner. He's got Moxie. He made big-time throws to scary Terry McLaurin there. He dropped it in a fucking bucket very late into that game.

There was big balls thrown by old Heineken. Hell yeah. Who's a bowler. Look at this guy, though. He is slinging it. This isn't the exact throw that I was talking about. This one came, the Scary Terry one came late whenever they fucking needed it. Here it is.

But this is a dude who is just very comfortable in his skin, very good at what he does. And whenever they brought in Carson Wentz to take over his starting role, his starting position, he handled it like, well, all right, man, that's just how it goes. Because he came from a small school. He was counted out. When he got his opportunity against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the playoffs

a couple years back, he showed up and we're like, holy hell, is this guy the next guy? He's done well for the Commanders. He's done well for the Washington football team. They just weren't set on him being the future after he has more and more and more and more and more success. Then you see him on a plane ride last night home. He's fucking

iced out with the boys with some glasses, two watches and a chain on with some bush lights in his hand. I mean, you tell me. This looks like a guy who's beloved by his teammates. This looks like a guy that wins a lot of games. And it looks like a guy who probably sent Carson Wentz into retirement at some point. I'm not saying that because of any of our relationships with Carson Wentz.

We like Carson Wentz as a person. We saw Carson Wentz here as an Indianapolis Colt. His playing style is certainly a rollercoaster one. But they have success when Heineke's playing. They don't have success whenever anybody else is playing. I don't know how you look at that team going forward and don't say, this guy should be our guy. But it is the Washington Commanders.

They are up for sale. Who knows what the next regime will be thinking, but we'll be talking to Taylor Heineke in about an hour and 15 minutes from now. In two hours from this exact moment, we'll be talking to Aaron Rodgers, who's preparing for a Thursday night matchup against the Tennessee Titans.

He'll be live from the Green Bay Packers practice facility in Lambeau, I believe. Is that where they practice? I believe so, yeah. Do they? They drive down the street. Joining us on stage, host of In the Trenches, A.Q. Shipley. Ty Schmidt, obviously one member of the Talk Stable, about to give us that answer there. Do they practice at Lambeau?

Is that where he's going to be going? No, there's a facility, though, right next to Lambeau. But I think when he does the interviews, like, in season, like he has in the past, I believe that is from the stadium. Okay, so Aaron Rodgers will be live from Lambeau, joining us two hours from right now. It'll be a shorter conversation than our usual Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays because today is a work day for them.

They kick off week 11 of the NFL season on Thursday, and I can't wait to see how it goes at Boston Corner. What were your thoughts on the game last night between the Commanders and the Eagles? I mean, we all knew Devontae Smith was going to score. That was awesome. Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday to us for winning money off of that. That conversation happened yesterday after the show went off the air, and we apologize

for not having it live on air. There's some things that do slip past the goalie, which is our team kind of accruing information off of the internet every single day whenever we go into this. After the show ended, Bruce Brown brought up to Boston Connor, hey, did you see they just posted a happy birthday to Devontae Smith and he's 24 years old. And then Connor, immediately going from Bruce, comes right, literally walks right up to me and goes, Devontae Smith's birthday, two plus touchdowns plus 1,700. And I'm like, what is just one touchdown?

And it was plus 200. So we started talking about it. Sirianni, the type of guy he is, let's assume he's going to want somebody to score on their birthday because he'd be like, I want to score on my birthday. Yeah, that's right. So it's only a happy birthday. It'd be good. What's the best birthday present we'd give Devontae?

A win. Scoring touchdowns and a win. Yeah, what's the second best birthday present we'd give Devontae? A win. Scoring touchdowns and a win. Yeah, what's the second best birthday present we can give Devontae? Getting into the end zone. Pay dirt. You're going to score. Birthday tutty? I mean, imagine him actually.

I can hear him saying all those things in the offensive meeting the night before the game. So I was like, yeah, max, max, max, max bet on this. He ends up scoring late in the game, fourth quarter. Happy he did that. Quick, I've hit a couple $15,000 bets here the last couple days. I have lost a few bets, Superboost being one of them. But when Devontae Smith caught this ball, he had a couple that he was going to break free to,

and he got tripped up. It felt like they were targeting him a lot. I don't know if it's because it's his birthday, because he's Devontae Smith. Nonetheless, they were targeting him. Not so much A.J. Brown, who might have got hurt. That leads us to A.Q. Shipley, a man who's a Super Bowl champion, a coach, and a player. The Philadelphia Eagles, at some point, we're going to probably lose.

There's only been one team in the history of the NFL that has gone undefeated from bell to bell, and that's the 1972 Dolphins. Less games, less teams, less athletic. I mean, there's a lot of things we can say about them, but they still pop bottles every year. Congrats to them. Congrats, Dolphins. Thank you for being trailblazers, setting precedent. I assume they popped bottles last night in celebration down in Miami, as they should have. But the Philadelphia Eagles are going to lose at some point.

Why was it against the Commanders, you think? What did you see out of the Eagles team? Does it alarm you, or does it make you feel good about it? This man has been a coach and a player, center, which we know could just get dropped into head coaching positions at any time. That's right. And win. AQ, what are your thoughts on why the Eagles lost last night?

Was it more the Commanders? Was it more Eagles? Or are we worried going forward? Probably a little bit of both. But the biggest thing that I saw was time of possession was huge, right? How do you keep an electric offense down? We keep them off the field, right? That's the first thing.

Second thing, maybe the most underrated, I know we talk about it, I know other people talk about it, Payne and Jonathan Allen are a problem. You throw in Sweat in there as well. And now they're getting Chase Young back. That defensive line can cause problems every week. And they did again last night. They made a ton of plays. Couldn't really get the run game going.

And time of possession took over. So you can wreck games with the D-line, any D-line, even if you put a D-line that isn't. If you put a great D-line on a team that maybe isn't that fantastic, they can cover up for it, right? Because as long as the ball doesn't get past them, we're okay. Think about every meeting you've ever been in with a head coach. The game wrecker is always on the D-line, is it not?

Yes. It always is. Yes. So it's either the three-tech or the D-end, right? It's always that. They got two guys on the inside that are stout as can be, maybe two of the most underappreciated players. They're studs in the middle.

That's a very good offensive line. Dickerson was having a ton of problems with Allen all night long. I mean, they wrecked the game. It was awesome. Do you worry about the Eagles going forward? Is this a blueprint now for Jeff Saturday to put into place? First of all, we got D-Buck, Grover Sturt. What?

A lot of other guys on that D-line that really get after it. Are the Eagles in trouble this upcoming week? Don't let Jeff Saturday. No. Hey, do not let Jeff Saturday in his first home game, Lucas Oil Stadium. Game sold out, by the way. Game is sold out. Wow.

Do you think game would have been sold out if Jeff Saturday is not the head coach? Absolutely not. I would assume not. I would assume that is not the case. Jeff Saturday sold that fucking place out. The win this past weekend over the Raiders sold that place out. So it's going to be a tough environment for this Philadelphia Eagles squad. I think the Indianapolis Colts fans will probably be a bit more active during games

than they maybe were during the Frank Reich era, just strictly because Jeff Saturday is a little bit more. Now, I think he was swimming in it. Yeah. I think he was swimming in the first game. He was still trying to figure out where the fuck to put this thing. Right. And there was a couple things where he was like explaining.

I think, you know, on the tablet he was trying to look at it, where he was doing that at where he will probably do it in the future because he was on camera at the time. And, you know, he's going to have to figure out his game stuff. I think the crowd is going to be. Oh, yeah. I think the crowd is going to bring it for Jeff Saturday and the Colts this weekend. Do you think that's a problem for the Eagles going forward?

Is that a blueprint, or is that just an anomaly, you think? I really can't answer that. I don't know. But I do know that if there is a defense that could copy that blueprint, it's this defense. Those guys inside are awesome, good linebackers. And then the key is, is on offense, sustaining drives. And now you've got Matt Ryan back at quarterback. Keep them off the field.

That's the biggest thing. You've got to run the ball. You've got to take time off the clock. Keep Jalen Hurts and all those weapons off the field. So we still have massive respect for what the Eagles are probably going to go on to do. There's no doubt. And we've talked about this a bunch. The biggest issue with teams like that that have such a identity is when they get

behind can they change their identity and now become a drop back pass team when they're mostly play action rpo run the ball colts are winning super bowls i just heard yeah i mean not to mention this weekend is an extra bonus this is a colts fans revenge game because the eagles gave the colts Carson Wentz. And we know they're not over that yet. Well, Frank Wright and Carson Wentz. And we sent back a couple good picks, you know, because Carson's so damn tough. He didn't miss any plays.

Last night's game, though, I think was very fascinating because as we're rolling into the season here, we're going to see some more. And I think we naturally have the thought that as you get to week 10 going into week 11 teams are who who they are oh yeah and we start looking at records a little bit more like look at this team's record versus this team's record and we're naturally going to be like oh this team is much better there's a lot of surprising losses that are ahead right now there's a lot of teams that we think are fucking terrible that are going to beat a good team and we're going to have a full conversation of is this team dead it's like just week to week i'm not saying you don't know

who's going to be there because these are professionals and teams should show up but looking there's going to be some spoilers that come in out of nowhere jacksonville jaguars knocked the indianapolis colts out of the playoffs last year out of nowhere we had like 10 pro bowlers or something the team we were a very good squad and then boom out of nowhere we get knocked out of the playoffs with the way the records are right now, especially in the AFC, you're going to see some heartbreak coming up over the next few weeks. I'm not saying that was last night for the Eagles. The Eagles suffered their first loss. It was inevitably going to come anyways in a modern NFL that we're in with the parity that we have in the NFL.

But there's going to be losses that are lying ahead that we're definitely going to overreact to that we should now be kind of looking ahead and saying, hey, this might happen. And to be honest, your team might be one of those teams that does that to a team this year, and that's a surprising thing because you're the New England fucking Patriots, Connor. Yeah, and the AFC playoff picture won't be set until week 18 wraps up because when you look at the AFC East and the division, I believe we play Miami week 18 or one of the division teams, and the Bills play the other division opponent,

like that conference will kind of set what those wild card spots are going to be. And you mentioned it with teams beat, bad teams beating good teams in the end. The Raiders might go on and beat the Chiefs on this back half of the season just because it's a division game and they play them so well. And I don't want to say this because Jeff Saturday obviously is undefeated. His only win comes against the Las Vegas Raiders. But I was very happy for our team to get that win. Now, is that strictly because Jeff Saturday obviously is undefeated. His only win comes against the Las Vegas Raiders. But I was very happy for our team to get that win. Now, is that strictly because Jeff?

No, I think it's because you look at that team, it's like this team should be good. Good team. Why are they not good? AQ, you've got the coach here, and I'm excited to hear your take on Jeff Saturday now that he is. He was announced as coach when you were here, right? Last week?

Yeah. He was announced as coach or was that the day before? Day before. It was on Monday. It was on Monday. Park's name, the offensive coordinator went on. The day you were here, yeah. And he called a hell of a game.

Jeff Saturday said at one point there was a moment early where Park's asked Jeff for a play or whatever, and Jeff was like, hey, don't ask me, man. Just make your fucking – he didn't say that. But Jeff was like, hey, have conviction. Just do your. Just make your fucking. He didn't say that, but Jeff was like, hey, have conviction. Just do your thing. And it was awesome to watch them celebrate in there. But why do you think Jeff had success? Why do you think that some coaches aren't having success?

For instance, Brandon Marshall was on Up and Adams, and he talked about Josh McDaniels not being fit to be a head coach. And if you strictly look at how he's done whenever he's left the nest of the New England Patriots, there's a compelling argument to say, like, yeah, Josh McDaniels, not a a head coach. And if you strictly look at how he's done whenever he's left the nest of the New England Patriots, there's a compelling argument to say like, yeah, Josh McDaniels, not a good head coach. Now, will Josh McDaniels say that? No, I'm sure he will have a bunch of reasons on why it hasn't worked. And those are valid from his perspective. But is there a reason why some guys just aren't good head coaches and some guys maybe are just good head coaches in your humble coach player opinion, A.Q. Shipley.

Yeah, so I think the biggest thing that we so quickly forget is that it's hard to win in this league. And then you also take a look. Talked about this yesterday, how nobody celebrates anymore. A.J. talked about Aaron being happy or Tom being happy after a win. And A.J. was like, I was happy for Tom for being happy because you're supposed to be happy whenever you win a game. Like you're supposed to be happy, but most people just get relieved by it and it's like on to the next one. But all the conversation is it's so hard to win a game.

We should remember that. People should be more happy, I think, whenever they win the fucking NFL. 100%. Coaches inevitably make wins feel like losses. You've been in locker rooms like that. Hell, we went fucking 13- 3 one year and i felt like every game was a loss it's like jesus man like we just fucking won 41 to 7 what is happening here why do i feel like oh you guys got a game ball take that game ball and shove it up your ass you know i mean like so it's there's so many things that we we forget that winning is hard one the other thing is there's such a small minute difference between

what the Raiders are right now and maybe another team that's six and three or seven and two whatever because if you look at the Raiders they've lost all of their games for the most part by one score they've had one blowout obviously I think whatever it was New Orleans there's a lot of them that were one score game so the difference between them being 6-3 or 7-2 is very small. And as fan bases in this league, there's no patience whatsoever. Yeah, but what can a coach do? What can a coach do? Because it feels like there's some teams that will win those games,

and then there's some teams that just lose those games. Is that the coach games is that the coach is that the players is it is it the football gods what like honestly what do you think it's probably a combination of all i don't think you can put one blame any one place on any of that stuff i think when you look at that the easy blame is hey let's put it all on mcdaniels let's put it all on him right but maybe if another player makes a play here if a defensive player gets a strip sack here boom games over whatever it may be there, there's five plays in every game. And so from what we learned from D-Butt and everything DB tomorrow,

if a corner is lined up two feet to his left as opposed to two feet to his right, and because he did that, now he's able to get picked, and boom, it's a 70-yard touchdown or a 55-yard touchdown out of nowhere, and that's the reason why the game has turned. it's crazy to think how close these fucking games are and how close these teams are but i think every time we watch the film that's almost what i get shown like a guy takes a guy in in the trenches will just do one of these for a second and then boom gone that's the game winner everything you did for the rest of the game does not fucking matter because you accidentally went as opposed to just staying square with that whole thing it's crazy

the nfl that's why what the fucking patriots were able to do for 20 years is so impressive because of how much i don't want to say luck is involved but almost like on the plays that matter it going your way as opposed to somebody else's it's fucking incredible to think about winning teams and losing teams and how much luck is involved in yeah i mean look at the vikings you know kirk cousins gets stuffed on the goal line and then on the next play josh allen fumbles in the end zone and now it's it's you know like that and they i don't want to say they've been super lucky but good teams like the bounces just roll their way that's the way it goes sometimes and in terms of the coaching do you think any of it is like with Jeff Saturday? Like he he's a CEO.

He's not like a lot of these coaches now are offensive guys. And it seems like they don't know what the hell is going on on defense. Like they're calling plays. All of their time and effort is put it onto the offensive side of the ball. So they're basically an offensive coordinator who is the de facto head coach. Whereas you see some of these guys who like, yeah, Bill, you know, is an unbelievable defensive coordinator defensive coordinator probably the best ever but he still has a hand in the offense he knows what's going on it seems like a lot of these newer guys now they're just on one side of the ball and it kind of they just whatever isn't their specialty it's kind of like hey well they got to go figure

that out head in the call sheet almost yeah i think lombardi talks about that michael lombardi of the lombardi line to gm shuffle, the daily coach, Ted Talks. A couple books. Super Bowl champion, bestseller. Yeah, but he's talking about people's head in the play sheet, whenever something else is happening, like when a defense is on the field, you're still trying to figure it out, and when you get in there. And Jeff Saturday said, I'm spending 85% of my time with the offensive side

of the ball because that's what I know, and I'm in the meetings. But he did say, like, Gus comes to me, he'll tell me what the plan is he'll ask for my opinion we'll figure it out then we get going I think that's the right way to kind of monitor things now Sean McVay had success right right Sean McVay had success he got to the Super Bowl loses the Patriots in a bad fashion gets back to the Super Bowl wins the Super Bowl now they have completely fallen apart it appears over there in Los Angeles and Cooper Cup out two to three weeks whatever it's going to be maybe even more with the injury. He's got four weeks, I guess.

He's definitely out if he goes to IR or whatever. So they're falling apart. But it does feel like if you – Vrabes, look at Vrabes. He's running coach of the year. Right. He's a defensive genius, we can assume. He's a defensive genius. We can assume Vrabes is one of those type of savants.

Has touchdowns as well, so he understands the offense. But he's kind of overseeing everything. He's the CEO. Yeah, and they're kind of of ready to go it feels like that might be the right answer is that there in your in your opinion do you think that's the right way to go about it because you have to pay attention to everything you have to have your eyes on everything and maybe if you have eyes on everything you can catch something that is maybe out of sorts much quicker than if you were only dealing with one particular thing yeah i think i think you can definitely point to that but you look at andy reed and he's in between series and he's over there

next to my homes he's doing this it's all offense but one thing i will say i played for andy andy was so good at the details especially in practice leading up to weeks like i was a young player with andy and i'd be sitting back there i'm a at the time. And he would just do one of these things. Hey, what's protection? You know what I mean? Like, it was always trying to catch somebody not fucking dialed in. Always. So, making you focus on this. No doubt.

Yeah, I mean, I watched him. Deshaun Jackson, stud, right? Like, I watched him like he didn't have his practice jersey tucked in. Sent him in. Like, just little details. I didn't know Andy Reid was like that. I didn't know it was a tuck-in operation. Oh, yeah.

Big time. Practice, big tuck-in, look professional. Absolutely. Everybody's going to look the exact same on you. Tight jerseys, got your names on the back. They look like game jerseys. You practice like you play. You wear the same shit.

You know, a lot of Indianapolis, whenever we played, they were the loose jerseys, right? Yeah. He's big on having the tight jerseys, so you get used to playing in the shit you're doing. And he's a big detail-oriented guy who's always quizzing guys. That feels like a great play. Yeah, I guess because he eats cheeseburgers, the media loves him.

Some people don't like other great coaches and think that even though they're second all-time in wins, that maybe they're shitty coaches. That's the same thing with Belichick. Belichick hasn't called defenses. He just referenced something that 32,000 people saw that I saw. 32.3 thousand people when I saw the video. He's talking about LeSean McCoy. Oh, plenty of them.

I mean, LeSean McCoy's in the line. We are big fans of Shady around here. We are. Big fans. Big fans, too. I'm a huge fan. Both as, you know, I think he's awesome on camera. I think he's hilarious.

On the field, though. Oh, dog. Dude changed the game. Hey, stop carrying the ball like he runs stop carrying a ball like that stop carrying a ball like it uh how about as soon as i lose it one time you can fucking talk to me until then fucking scram dude basically is what shady said he was fantastic and on tv he's fantastic he was on up and adams on fanduel tv and he gave he gave quite a promo about Bill Belichick is Rex Ryan, Marvin Lewis, and Andy Reid

without Tom Brady. Let's not even get crazy. It was two minutes straight, and Kay Adams sat in the pocket. Kay jousted. He seemingly had an answer for everything. He felt, I think, pretty strong. He was teammates with Tom. He won

a Super Bowl with Tom Brady, I believe. And he got to see the way Tom works. But he did say, Bill Belichick, just what are we even talking about here? I just don't see it. I just don't see it with Tom Brady. I'm like, damn, I didn't know people actually felt that way. People do feel that way. And listening to him, I was like, he makes compelling I don't know if we're going to get him off of his case.

I didn't feel that ever. I didn't know that was a common thing that people thought. Is it? I don't think it is. Remember last year, I year, leading up to Patriots-Bucks, people were drawing lines in the sand, whether they thought it was Brady or whether it was Belichick. A lot of defensive guys, Ninkovich, Teddy Bruschi, a lot of those guys, obviously

Team Belichick, a lot of the offensive guys, Amendola, if you remember, he came out and talked about how it's all Brady. You take away any of the great coaches, you take away any of the great coaches, you take away their best player. Yeah, they're not as successful. You know, when Andy Reid's done, are we going to say, yeah, but he had Patrick Mahomes. And so he wasn't that great of a coach because he couldn't win without Patrick Mahomes. Like, that's just not fair. Sorry that, you know, Brady and Belichick and Belichick drafted Brady, that Andy Reid traded

up and drafted Mahomes. Like. That's what great coaches do. If they see someone who's really good, they play them. And one thing that never gets talked about with Belichick and Brady that we talked a lot about with man in the arena was pay Bledsoe $100 million. Tom Brady's a rookie quarterback, and Belichick decides to start Tom Brady in the fucking Super Bowl after Bledsoe comes back and leads the team to victory over the Steelers. Tony, that was not supposed to be a shot in the AFC Championship after Brady got hurt.

And then he still decides, you know what, no, we'll have Brady play in the biggest stage as a rookie after paying a guy $100 million, which is the first of – Which would never happen. Which would never happen. It would never happen with any other place. So you've got to talk about that. He was also GM, I think, and head coach, right?

So he's able to make those types of decisions which are normally i'm sure pretty heated arguments and debates on who wants what but i think he's won so much you just have to say he's a good coach because how hard it is to win in the nfl and how consistently how consistently he's done it and how much time he has invested to the sport like not only is the head coach everybody talks about the misery i mean we heard a lot about about it whenever Jeff got handed the head coaching role of the Indianapolis Colts because he didn't do all this stuff. Coaching takes up so much time in your life. Whether you need it to happen or not, it's just kind of this is how it is.

And we heard a lot of this is how it is last week whenever Jeff Saturday got hired from the coaching ranks. Like, hey, this is how it is. You're just there all day from the coaching ranks like hey loose is how it is you're just there all day then you add on top he has to negotiate with people and he's also shaping the roster and building the roster and handling scouting departments and everything like that the amount of time that he has put into the sport of football I just think just by that sake like thank you for what you've done for the game and committing your entire being to a league into a sport like i think that's they say something to have two decades of success whenever

a lot of teams have not been able to carry success longer than five six years in that entire run or just in the history everybody has like a good five-year run a good six-year run nobody's really able to continue to do it for 4x that which is is what he was able to do. So there's some sort of greatness. But everything LeSean said, though, everything LeSean McCoy said, though, it was hard not to be like, oh, I could see why you would feel the way that you feel. And it's a fascinating argument and conversation that's going to take place forever, literally in the football world. Also something people don't talk about when you've been coaching that long, like he's

had to evolve with the times. Like as the NFL has changed and evolved, like he's had to evolve with the times like as the NFL has changed and evolved like he's had to evolve as well and we see a lot of guys who had a bunch of success and then when the league kind of changes and things change like they don't have success anymore because they don't know how to evolve when things are changing in the league and Bill's been able to do that every single time the league has changed the rules have changed like that doesn't get talked about a lot and that's a big part of it I still think uh I think there's a young crop of head coaches that are gonna be real good yeah for a long time like how long is braves coach for you think oh you know how long

you think forever right you think as long as he wants to yeah i mean his his resume is proven i mean he'll if things start to go south there people will jump at that yeah decommunicator if he has to i mean mean, I think head coach. I mean, he's done such an amazing job. Depending on how it ends. For sure. But would – the coaching world is an interesting one. Yeah. And we're in the middle of it right now with Jeff Satter.

But, like, MCDC, it's every other week Detroit wants to extend him or get rid of him. And that's, like, his life now that he's signed up for for the next however many years he's in Detroit. It's hilarious, actually. Fans go crazy. They all love him now, but two weeks ago, they absolutely hated his guts. Had to fire him. Who do you guys got this weekend? We play the Giants in New York.

It'd be a good battle. Spread is kind of weird. It's only three and a half points right now. Yeah, I saw that. What's that all about? People just don't respect the ball. Whoa! Okay, Tone. One half of the hammer. Cowboys is here. Tone, I saw that. What's that all about? People just don't respect the table? Giants aren't really good. Whoa. Whoa. Okay, Tone.

Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer. Cowboys is here. Tone, before you dive into your thought on the Giants or coaching, we have to talk about last night because something happened in gambling that people are going to have to be probably given a little bit more of an explanation into. I, too, am learning of this as it goes, because you don't really, you know, I feel like you don't really understand or get the grasp of something until you have to experience it. Last night, we experienced an under on receiving yards for Devontae Smith, in which it was a annexation of Puerto Rico play, where he was

lateraled the ball after a completion has already been created. So Jalen Hurts serves the rock. Completion. Hook and ladder. We're running it. Devontae Smith got the ball at the 15. He got rid of it at about the 11. He ends up going down in the record books for minus four yards or whatever the hell it is.

Minus ten yards, I think. Yes, yeah. Because that's where the ball was originally received. Right, yes. So from where the ball was originally received to where Devontae Smith, after getting the lateral, threw the ball to a teammate, which then caused a defensive touchdown. The over had already hit, but if this would have caused the over, you're talking about a twofer with Devontae's receiving yards going under on a lateral and then the over hitting. The overhead already hit, so that's not something.

But 10 yards, allegedly, is what he lost here receiving yards from going over to under. People lost money on this, I think, last night. A lot of people did. Do you want to explain that and kind of dive into that a little bit more? There was tickets on that of people who had his over as far as receiving yards, which I believe was 53 and a half, I think, and he was at 55. And this play is just an absolute disaster, and it's kind of why when they were flirting with the, instead of kicking off, having the fourth and 15 or whatever play,

this would be a lot of these situations where it is. So in that situation, say the football team was favored there, and they were covering by three and a half, and that always happens. That end of the play, toss round is always the situation for the total, for the side, and then now that prop bets have become more and more popular, where Quez Watkins catches the ball, and then the laterals start happening,

and I believe, because Watkins got credit for the yardage for the catch, and then as soon as it goes to Devonta, he gets the negative yards. It's a whole wild situation. And it's terrible. That is a terrible way to lose. That is a terrible way to lose a bet. And you compound that on the reason why the Eagles lost last night. A lot of people had Eagles money line in a lot of parlays as well.

And I'm not saying this is why they lost, but a reason the commander certainly won was because of a hit on a quarterback that is... Interesting. Very, very interesting. So if you look at the end of this particular game here, in this play, and obviously we'll take that down to get the exacts on this. 26-21, 145 left, okay? 26-21, 145 left. And remember, the Eagles were going to score because he fumbles the rock

after getting up. He was going to go score. Completely different game if he scores there after a fumble. Instead, he fumbles. Ball comes back the other way. 145 left, 26-21. Philadelphia Eagles have proven that they can move the ball as of this particular time period at home.

Could be a monumental staple philadelphia eagles adversity we still get a win when we shouldn't have probably got one because of how the game went yeah run the play taylor heineken instead of running the ball and running some more clock they were going to throw it maybe put a little death in this thing on third down he kneels and then brandon graham hits him late And the white hat says 15 yards. Taylor Heineke says, thank you. First down. They only have one timeout.

Less than a minute 40 on the clock. This is over. Now, if we were to watch this, we would immediately think to ourselves, with the game on the line for a team to win, this call can't be how a game is decided but you go back keep go back to the uh uh like the side view of that thing the slow motion one there but if you look at this boom right here so if you look at this, go ahead and press play. As soon as his knee goes up, pause. Look how far away dude is, okay? Brandon Graham is very far away from Heineken.

Now, this is an awkward-looking kneel down. He could have slid. He could have done something else. It's a weird thing for Heineken to do at the time he was trying to do. He's trying to stay inbounds, doesn't want to throw it away. He wants the clock to keep moving or them to spend a time out. But the way he went about taking a knee, certainly awkward. We'll talk to him in about 50 minutes,

and we will certainly ask him about why this particular knee of choice and why this is how he decided to go down as opposed to any other way. But Brandon Graham pretty far away at this point. Press play. One, two, three, four. I mean. The Redick one was fine, too. See, he's like six yards away whenever Heineke's knee gets down to where he was standing.

And the refs, I don't think they blew a whistle as fast as they maybe could have because I think of how awkward his knee went down. So I don't think the call can be a call that wins a game, just like what happened when the Colts and the Chiefs played. And Chris Jones said something rude to Matt Ryan on the last drive in the fourth quarter, and it was 15 yards, first down, Colts go down, score, win, beat the fucking Chiefs. We thought that was egregious, even though I was on the positive side of that. Thought, can't have that win the game.

This wins the game for the commander. So a lot of people are going to be upset about that. But also, he's like six yards away whenever the knee goes down. Do you think Brandon Graham just didn't expect this to be the kneel? Do you think he was confused by what was going on? What do you think, AQ? Yeah, defensive players are taught to play to the whistle. There was a late whistle, if a whistle at all before that.

And I think the other thing that's interesting, I didn't even realize this, but if Graham doesn't hit him, does he fall this way and now it's on Redick? They're going to call that or is that? I don't think so. No, I think he was close enough. He was fine. I think he was close enough.

Yeah, I think so. So they're saying late hit on that. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, by the letter of the law, yes, that is, you know, because he gives himself up. But also, like. It's weird. For Brandon Graham, you know, he's coming in because he gives himself up but also like it's weird for brandon graham

you know he's coming in and he gives himself up i i don't think he's looking at hassan reddick like oh he's got him down like he's still you know if he he's looking at the quarterback so he's assuming hey yeah he gave himself up but i still have to go in and touch him you know and like it's it's like kind of one of those i don't think you have to touch him if he gives himself up if the guy takes a knee i don't think you have to touch him if he gives himself up. If a guy takes a knee, I don't think you have to touch him. But I think it was such a weird, go back to it again. It was such a weird way of going down. Like, I don't think Graham was expecting Taylor Heineke just to fall in this particular fashion.

Yeah, you can press play. Like, he makes a cut. No, I'm down. Like, it's a weird jump down thing clearly giving himself up though yeah but if he goes if he goes down to the ground there and doesn't stay in this double knee position correct and his head's down you still would have to touch him down would you not no i think is if you give yourself up take a knee i think right because he takes a knee but i'm saying like if you're brandon graham he takes a knee i think

that is why it's such a big thing because that doesn't look like a knee to me a knee is what you see him on a quarterback exactly it's a weird and like kickoffs people used to do it for touchbacks like the way you would get the way he went about doing this yeah he's one of because if he slides you have to touch him right yeah yes slide you have to touch him no uh no no but if he falls like what i'm saying like if his shoulder goes to the ground here and he falls head first not feet first you would have to touch him down all right let's go back to let's run this thing back a little bit again well and even with that all the way back to the beginning you can go all the way back to the beginning that's awkward too because remember they lost the packers game because he gave himself up before running the ball in. Good play.

I mean, he gives himself up for sure. I mean, it is such an interesting thing. I think the timing of it is what makes everybody upset about it. I can't believe that's how they win the game. That is how they win the game. But Brandon Graham, who's obviously in the heat of the moment here, third down, minute something left, you're down five, got to get a stop. Great football player. We're not saying anything about it. But there's also

like if you're a Commanders fan, you're saying he was six yards away whenever the guy took it. I mean, six yards is a long time. That's a lot of time to potentially stop. Heineke gives a good sell. We'll talk to Taylor in about, what is that, 45 minutes or so to see his take on it. Because as soon as he goes down, he goes, okay, thank you so much.

That's the first down. See you later. Keep it moving. That guy's a leader. That guy's a winner. He's chained up and iced out on the plane after that. That's still, that's bullshit. The game ends that way.

It's just bullshit. It's tough. Can't throw a flag. I mean, that one's not as bad as the face mask. Yeah, the face mask is one that people are talking about. It needs to be a reviewable call because they're thinking that sports books are are cooking the books with these refs for these calls because face mask obviously 15 yards big deal i mean it's a huge call at the timing in which it was called but that is becoming the conversation now with a lot of people online

because the refs have had a rough week this week was rough for the refs yeah might be their worst i think so i honestly believe so. Fourth quarter, you know, whenever you're, oh, this is tough, too, because there's a clear grip. Yeah, that's so obvious. So you should be able to challenge that, obviously. You should be able to get that. You can't.

But I see the Internet has become very loud about the NFL rigging games, in refs rigging games. I'd like to let everybody know that I don't know how that would be good for either party. I don't know how the NFL would benefit long-term when you're talking about like trillions of dollars or how the sports books would benefit long-term when you're talking trillions of dollars. It's like whenever you get to a point of getting a certain amount of money, are you just going to want to fucking kill it so you don't get to this amount?

I think with the way sports books are brains are and with nfl brains are i think they would want to build this up long before they would start rigging the game i just if we're thinking just from a oh they would do that standpoint let's give them a little bit more credit and assume that they would do it and they would wait until it was a much larger piece of the pie. They're still very much in the incubacy, incubancy? Incubation. Incubation period of the sports gambling. Only 18 states have illegal mobilized gambling. So that is only going to grow and grow.

I don't know if they just want a first year where it's illegal. All right, let's fucking ruin it. Let's rig these games with these sports books. I think if they were to do that, and let's just assume that people believe that they're willing to, they're willing to, they're the type of people that are willing to do that. It takes a certain person to be willing to do that on a product that you own and on a product that you do business with or a product that you work in. It would take, but I think if they were to be that type of person, they would want it to be much bigger.

So I think that is my counter argument to people that think it's happening. If you do think it's happening, you think the people are willing to do it. Well, then you've got to give them at least a little bit more credit that they would wait for it to be much bigger before they fucking do it. Now on the flip side, I don't think they could do that just strictly because unless the players are getting paid and unless the coaches are getting,

everybody would have to get a piece of that to be in there. And how many people know the secret and are going to be able to keep that that would kill the biggest league in the world and kill one of the biggest businesses in the world that is currently blooming so i'm not a believer in that but there's some shit happening with refs that have people thinking that and that's never good and that is a officiating issue that we have to get fixed but i don't know if we'll ever be able to it has to get fixed i mean this this is not okay especially like a play like that you cannot decide as many games that have been decided based on your feelings getting hurt by somebody saying something to you or a play that is clearly not malicious.

And to everybody else, it's a little fucking confusing on what he did. Like I said, his shoulder goes down right there. That was weird. That was awkward. It's awkward. It's confusing. So you cannot, especially in the magnitude of that fucking moment of that game, you cannot make that decision. So, you know, nhl refs would be like come on like don't the nhl refs kind of

have a little bit more say but then them having a little bit more leeway then people are saying well oh then it's rigged the other i mean it's like uh it's a no-win situation you just have to hope that you get better officials i think the problem with what you're saying about the rigging thing is you're using logic and these internet booger eaters whose bets are losing. All right. Like, these are the same. They're saying it's rigged because their bets are losing. They're also saying it's rigged.

Like, they're the same people who want their money back last night because the Devonta Smith overyards went under because of a bad beat or whatever. I can understand that. It's fucking gambling. I can understand the Devonta one being upset about that. No, no, no. There's a couple other ones like annexation of Puerto Rico where throwback touchdown hits the over,

and everybody's like, oh, this is bullshit. It's like, no, that's part of gambling. Just like the Devontae thing is part of gambling. But I think what people are going to learn, and this is what Tone's getting at, is, hey, sports books are going to be right a lot. Yeah. The book is going to be right.

That's why we're playing against them. Yeah, tough scam. We're trying to beat them, and I just want to let you know, on the flip side, they're trying to beat us too. Chandeliers. They don't hang themselves. They got a lot of chandeliers. No, it's mobilized, and I think they're just in offices,

but they have the finest of the microwaves in those kitchens, in those offices. So I understand why people are perturbed by sports gambling getting into these big leagues. But I think we have to have a little bit more faith that if that was happening, how quickly everything would crumble. There is circumstances, and there is things that potentially happen if you do this. The NFL knows that. Sports gambling knows that.

And it's not good long-term for either of them. And that is how these types of people think. The officials issue, and we haven't delved into it much this year. Not at all. I will let everybody know, though, I am not scared to let my thoughts be known on poor officiating. Now, every time I talk about poor officiating, I have to give the subtext that nobody wants to be a fucking ref. Why would you want to be a ref?

Are you talking about the worst job of all time? Yes. You go into a stadium, nobody is a fan of yours. Nobody's pulling for you. Your family's even helping to get out of there without having to fucking say a thing about being related to you.

The power and mental strength it takes to become a ref is one that I don't have and I don't think a lot of people have. The only time you're ever liked is if you fuck over another team. And how much you're liked, you're hated by the other team. And guess what? Next week, it's going to be a completely different fan base. And the next time you call a game for this particular team that likes you,

you can fucking get them to hate you too just on one particular call. With that being said, have to get better. Have to figure out how to get them full time, more money, make it better, more appealing for people that are talented officials because the league is going to have to combat this PR battle because people are putting money on all these games. And if their officials are fucking up their league in their game, they're going to have to put a little bit more emphasis on it.

So maybe this is something that we need to make the overall of the game better. It's kind of like being president almost. It's like you do everything right and you're still going to alienate half the people. No matter what you do, it doesn't matter. Half the people, if you call it the best game possible, if your team loses, you're going to bitch about the refs anyway. You're going to be able to find three or four plays where it's like, hey, this was defensive pass interference.

There was a holding here that didn't get called. That's going to happen no matter what. So it is. These guys can call it the perfect game no matter what, and they're still going to have half the people hate them. So it's like why the fuck would anyone new want to do this, especially if it's not a full-time gig? Like these guys, oh, you call a shitty game?

Well, what are you going to do? You're going back to your law practice where you're a partner. It's like, hey, guess what? That's a little bit more important in your personal life than calling a game on Sundays. Yeah, full-time jobs, more money, because all the good refs, all the good refs are on TV. They're still part of the game.

They're just getting big TV contracts that are paying them so much more money. They're like, I'd be doing my family a disservice if I didn't choose to go sit in a studio all day Sunday. Everybody likes me. I got all the right answers. My kids are pumped that I'm their dad. My wife is allowed to tell her friends that we're married because I'm the authority on it now.

I'm getting paid 10x what I was making. I don't have to get booed out of stadiums. I don't have to do any of the travel. Travel is just to one place every single week. It's easy. It is such a cush setup for these. But, like, we lose Sterator, that's bad for the league. Bad for the league.

Hockley retiring. I think he didn't do TV. He just retired. But I assume if you give him enough money, Hockley maybe lumbers around the field a little bit longer, and he had a little bit of control of the game. And if you offer up more money, maybe more people would be incentivized, former players maybe,

to get into officiating. And instead of the bad curse it is to be an official, maybe it becomes like a desired profession for more people. And I know there's guys that do high school football, and there's these two dudes that we're calling the St. X. Moeller game whenever I went over there with Herbstreet to watch Chase Herbstreet. Guys' names were Dave and come on, brain.

One of them was Dave. Fuck, if I would have pulled that one, that would have been unbelievable. were Dave and come on brain. One of them was Dave. Fuck, if I would have pulled that one, that would have been unbelievable. They've been calling high school football for 20 years. This is just what they do on Friday nights. Then they go get wings and drink beer afterwards and they just love being an Ohio high school official. Absolutely love it. But there's a lot of people that do that

and then they're trying to get to a smaller college. Then they're trying to get to a bigger conference. Then they're trying to get to the NFL. There's a whole system to get do that and then they're trying to get to like a smaller college then they're trying to get to a bigger conference then they're trying to get to the nfl there's like a whole system to get to the nfl we're supposed to get the best of the best i think we get a lot better people in the pipeline if they knew that the final destination was one where you could get paid well full-time job year-long job and you're not just going to get cooked for everything you do i feel like that's a good way to fix it but once again that costs a lot of money but in comparison, not really. It doesn't really cost that much money.

Does it cost more money to combat PR of how bad and rigged your refs and games are, or does it just kind of get better refs in there? I don't know. Also, if there's one thing the NFL can't really use an excuse for, it's like, oh, that costs so much money to do. It's like you guys are making fucking money hand over fist. Like you can afford to pay, you know, 40 refs full time the entire year. Like they can.

You think more former players would do it if there was like good money at the end of it? I think former players. If it was full time, for sure. Better hours than coaching. I think former players need to be officiating. I think they have better feel. Probably have a better feel. Could probably see things differently.

The biggest issue right now, especially like... Oh, this is... I can't wait. We pissed off the coaches last week with Jeff Saturday taking their job. Now we're like, former players need to take the fucking officials' jobs. Listen to us. We apologize to the officials. We think you guys... We commend... You just heard everything I just said,

so I'm not going to fucking say it again. We understand it's not easy. It's an impossible job. I do believe, though, that that is a potential profession that former players should potentially strive for, and I think they would if there was, like, a pretty good setup at the end of the day. Like, I think that would be something that people would want to accomplish. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think, too, as well, these referees, these officials are shown buzzwords, right?

Like, look for this, look for that. And instead of just watching the whole play, you can just watch the whole play. I think you can see a lot more, but what they're doing is they're looking for certain things. So AQ's saying now the job's much easier than these guys. You're saying they overthink it. No, I think they go into these competition committees.

They get told this. It's like, what's the points of clarification? Yeah, not emphasis. It's the point of clarification? Not emphasis. It's all these different things that get put in their head, and when that happens, instead of just watching the play and seeing it, they're looking for certain things, and that, I think, is the issue. I think that's an issue. What do you think?

Should you be able to challenge 15-yard penalties? I think you should be able to challenge everything, but I am on the wrong side. I get attacked every time I say that by a lot of people, not just fans. Players tell me that too. Coaches tell me that. Everybody hates me saying I think you should be able to challenge fucking everything and if you get it right, you keep your challenge. There's no need to get them both right to get an extra

one. I think you should have two of them for the entire game. You can fucking challenge everything and let's make them quick. Let's make them expedited. Let's use the fucking jumbotrons that are in every single stadium. Let's have somebody. Yeah, you're right. Go ahead and pick it up.

Let's move along. And let's make them a bit more efficient. To do that, I think you have to get younger. Here's us once again. We are just taking the olds out. I think you've got to get younger. People that are more equipped to handle the technology, the views, the look for things much quicker and more efficient.

People that have a lot of confidence. I think people that have been coached up very well. People that aren't scared to make a decision and believe what they see. You know, everybody tells the players, like, hey, trust your eyes, trust your eyes, trust your eyes. I think these refs got to be told the same damn thing whenever they're looking at reviews. Like, hey, trust your eyes. Like, if that was real, let's go with it. If not, let's move on.

What are we spending two and a half minutes trying to figure out something that's conclusive? If you have to spend that much time, it's not. So let's just fucking move on. I think they could expedite the process. I think you should be able to challenge everything. And I think it should be something where we utilize technology to help the refs as opposed to act like the technology is dunking on the refs. They're not.

They're in it together. They have fucking how many? 8,000 frames a second? Is that what 8K is? They have 8,000 frames a second right here. And then your eyes just can't. Sorry about it. until we figure out a new human body your eyes can't do what this fucking camera can do so if we can get the call exactly right quickly let's go ahead and use that as your tag team partner as opposed to a corrector and i just think the xfl had it

yes the last xfl had it box not the first xFL. This last XFL had it with the Xbox review system where the person was quick, confident, talking it out. Like, I see what you saw there, but the ball was actually out before he went down. It is Dallas crew ball. Yeah. Renegades. Renegades ball at the 37 or something. Then, boom, ball gets picked up. Didn't even have to go to commercial break.

It was just like within the time it would be to reset the chains was really the longest thing. I think we're going to get there. I honestly believe we're going to get there. I just think we all wish we were there like now. Like, hey, we need to be there right now. It's going to take some time. I think it's going to take some people to buy into that too

because every time I say that, there's going to be a lot of people that tell me I'm stupid, so we're going to have to buy into that as well. But I say there's gonna be a lot of people that tell me i'm stupid so we're gonna have to buy into that as well but i fucking i think they can fix it it's gonna take money it's gonna take new technology it's gonna take broadening horizons a little bit that's a massive overhaul when you think about the nfl that moves at the speed of smell yeah with things right so i think the future is bright and officiating but there's gonna be some lumps over the next couple years of sports gambling continue to grow i think You mentioned it a couple years ago that they should have some sort of program where former players are the guys in New York

because it doesn't really make sense to have some 78-year-old retired ref be the one who's deciding all this stuff because you already know, like Pereira told us, he was like, hey, refs defend their own. You know, like very rarely is someone – Yeah, that would – Pere that was prayer hey no one the camera's on you pal that guy does not care that was talk about a dog yeah he is a dog he is a he was flipping that tongue he was he was but they should like those guys should be former players who can very quickly you know they still go through like a training program a process so

you don't just have some 78 yearyear-old guy who more times than not is just going to side with the official's call on the field, whether that's correct or not. Yeah, got to have a little gumption in there too, I think. But it doesn't have to be ex-Star players. We're not saying this is – No, anybody. We're just talking about people that know the game.

This was our point about Jeff Saturday. Everybody was talking about Jeff didn't earn this. You don't think Jeff fucking knows football from everything that Jeff's done at the center position now that we're learning basically about what the center has to do, which is understand the entire defense and the offense pretty much every single play. That's the type of guy Jeff Saturday was. Not all centers are like that, I don't think, right?

Not every center operates that way. No. But that was the style Jeff Saturday had with Peyton Manning behind him. There's no wonder they're the winningest decade in NFL history. Whenever they were done there, won a Super Bowl, built a stadium, fucking changed the entire landscape of Indianapolis, Indiana. Jeff Saturday was a part of that, massive part of that, big talking part of that, brought football back.

You don't think Jeff knows football? That was my biggest question. You don't think fucking Jeff understands football? Now, obviously, they go beat the Raiders, so that is a clear indication that he knows football more than Josh McDaniels that's exactly what that is correct correlation that's exactly what that's saying you know what I mean that's pretty much the whole thing but it's like I think former players have a little bit better understanding I don't think I should be the

player like I don't think a punter I don't think I should be the one that's looking at an offensive holding call and why it happened or a defensive holding call or a corner or something like that like i don't think but i think there's enough people that know the game at a very high level that have you know free time now that if they were asked with a pretty good position hey you want to come back into the fold be a part of this we'll teach you up this we'll pay you this you're a part of something again like it's not even like smart for the game i think it's like goodwill too like for the league to extend for former i just think it's better for the entire you know what's that called the entire uh unit uh community yeah econ no uh universe no

um i'll come to it but you get it like the entire fucking unification of the just there's like the everybody that's ever been in the NFL, like it would help bring, I think, even more together. I just – I think players should be in more roles. I think coaching is one of them. And then I think ref is the other one. Now, what are the other roles that they can't be in or shouldn't be in? None of them.

I think they should be fucking GMs too. I think they should be strength coaches. Everybody. I think they should be. And this is just – you know, you're probably going to hear a lot of players talk like this because in the NFL, there's a lot of players that go like, this is so fucking stupid. Why are we

doing this? We should be doing this. And then we see teams that start doing things the way players have been saying things should go. And they win a Super Bowl and then another Super Bowl and another Super Bowl. It's like, well, well, well, well, well. And now we're in a time where it seems like, well, well, well, well, well. And now we're in a time where it seems like,

especially after what Jim Irsay did, we might start seeing a lot more of that. And we're all open for fair competition. If the player isn't the best person at it, but I do think there should be at least an olive branch saying, hey, they have broadcast boot camp, which I was never three times I got. Sorry. Rejected from. Class is full. Three times. broadcast boot camp which i was never three times i got sorry rejected from classes full

three times and they'd always have it during like mini camps or oth so like only like a certain portion of people could go bro three times three times rejected third time i didn't even want to fucking apply i'm like no david thornton who's still with the colts was like uh hey man apply this time i talked to a guy over there. They didn't understand. I'm like, no. He's like, no, no, do it, do it. All good. They know you're over there. Rejected again. I'm like, DT.

What the fuck is this? You made me just stare down and reject it again. That's not fun. You think I enjoy that? I don't enjoy that at all. But they have a broadcast boot camp where these guys go into it, and they have executives from CBS, ESPN, NFL Network, Fox there. Basically, everybody but me that you've seen on television from the nfl has

graduated from this broadcast boot camp and met all the tv executives at this broadcast boot camp which probably got them the current gigs that they have during broadcast boot camp how come there isn't an e there's a business one at harvard harvard has a business school that nfl guys are allowed to go to i have friends that have gone and gotten like certificates from fucking harvard which obviously helps out immensely in whatever business thing you're going to get into. There's all these different camp things that happen. Why not have just like an officiating like opportunity or like a internship

or whatever it is and just get more people into the pipeline. And I'm sure naturally, just like anything, there'll be attrition where guys will fall off and guys won't be good at it. But if you open the net a little bit wider and, you know, present it as a good opportunity, like I think you're going to get more people to sign up. And maybe that helps it because what they're doing right now ain't working. Yes. Okay.

This shit is continuing to be a conversation year after year after year after year. We asked Pereira. We asked Pereira. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, always is that's what he said he said this is how it always is it's like well then how is that just the standard like we got we're not are we even trying to figure out how to make it better because when people are losing you know now people are losing like their fans are losing money on this because sports gambling is becoming more legalized not that their fans weren't losing money before but now it's like being broadcasted legalized regulated like every other part of your league is awesome and like moving and you can get better the officials seem to be always a constant negative now will they ever be a positive i

honestly don't know i have no idea and i've talked about it for a few years i wish the refs had a little bit more personality like whenever they were saying something i wouldn't mind a little brief explanation on why they did what they did like Like last night, if Cousy goes, Taylor Heineke declared himself down clearly. It was a weird way. I was watching it. I was confused as well. It took me a little bit. But Brandon Graham was clearly six yards away.

He hit him. We have to call it. That is literally what the rule is. It's a damn shame. Game's over pretty much. First down, commanders. Like obviously not every ref has to have the full capabilities to cut a promo or to explain something but if they have enough they're

a solo shot on national television hey you are the voice of the league you are the voice of the sport you are the voice of the fucking game i think they should get people who have a little bit of self-confidence and a little bit of uh hey we did we did this because of this first down, then you're answering questions that you don't have to have the internet answer for you when those might not be right. I think that is also something we can maybe incorporate into the whole process. What are your thoughts on that? You think that's no good? Some people tell me, oh, we don't need these refs talking for 30 seconds. It's like, no, not 30 seconds, but like that call, if the ref says we have to call that. I think even though people are going to be upset about, but like that call, if the ref says we have to call that,

I think even though people are going to be upset about the timing of the call, I think everybody at least gets an answer like, well, they have to call it. It makes sense. It makes sense. Like I think it does a little bit of that, and it's only like two seconds right there. But then that would have to be every single game the ref would have the freedom to be able to say whatever. Is that kind of the – I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I don't think he had to make that call at all. I don't think he had to make that call. But he was six yards. I still don't think he has to make the call in that time. Think about how many times you've watched basketball or football and you hear, oh, the refs are letting them play. That's what everybody likes. You want to be in a game where the ref lets you play

and they're not throwing flags they're not disrupting momentum of the game they're not doing all that shit that is all we ask for we just don't want every time you see a hand maybe what two inches outside the shoulder pads upholding like we don't want that ticky tack stuff we don't want it but they can rely on well the rule book says the rule book says the rule book says which which lends even more to the case. Get some confident, full-time, year-round training. Get them together. Have them climb trees together. Trust falls together.

Do the whole thing. I think make it a unit, like make it a team so that whenever they come out and speak on why they did what they did, hopefully they'll have each other's back. They'll be a little bit more unison across you and consistency, which I think we all look for but that is certainly a conversation that is only going to ramp up more if they continue to have weekends like they had this past weekend which hasn't happened much to be honest i don't know if they know about this year

didn't like the lack of national tv time yeah because well started this year with a little bit of the late hit on the quarterbacks and r roughing the passer stuff like that. But there hasn't been a weekend where like every, where there's been like multiple, multiple different areas of bad calls. I feel like, like there was this weekend. Yeah. Well,

and they should start it with you, like the system that you're, you know, kind of talking about with the referees. Cause that is the biggest part of the game that needs to be fixed. But what do you think even the conversation is between those refs when they're, you know,

watching that Dallas Goddard fumble to see if the guy who recovered it was down or not and they can just see the face mask yeah how do they not talk about that while they're watching the review like boy we fucked up well and then they also act like they i guess they're told they're not allowed to look at the jumbotron why well if you're if you're conversing right they throw a throw a flag then they go talk about it we see it they hold the players back excuse me we're talking about it in the stadium they're running a they're running a replay right over there like right over one of them like yeah in i if they accidentally just go like this oh there it is hey but they're told they can't look at it if you're conversinging about it, trying to get the right call,

why can you not just go, oh, hey, look, here it is. Oh, yeah, pick it up. That's no flag at all. And then just move on. That makes too much sense. Everybody else in the stadium can see that they were wrong. So you're setting the ref up to get booed like a mother. You're setting those five people up that are in that little circle

in the middle of the field with 70, 80,000 people around them. They all see the same picture. The ref not allowed to see the picture. Refs call something different than the picture. They're automatic heels for the rest of the fucking game, no matter what they do. So you're almost setting them up for failure even more. It takes a special person to be a ref. We're not down.

I don't want to downplay that at all. But I think there has to be some, you know, process changes to get people up there. And I know the officials are going to say, oh, first the coaches, now the refs. But it's like real. Like, get the former players in there. Offer them actual jobs. Have them be a part of something. I think buying into something could be the answer.

Yeah, you're trying to make their lives easier, too. It's not like the reviews are going to hurt them. It's going to help them make the right calls so that these conversations don't happen the day after games. What is it, their ego, you think? It's their ego that they don't want the technology buying because – what do you think? I don't know. The other thing is, too, is like – Here we go.

Here we go. The other thing that I – you know, whenever we get a big run in the games, right, they always show the behind angle, right? It's like, oh, it's like the perfect coach's cut up, right? It's like the perfect coach's view to see this run. Why is that view never available whenever we're looking at like a replay? It's never available. It's always a side.

It's always this. It's always a pylon cam. Probably get a pretty good view from behind. I'm just saying. All right. More cameras. It's all the TV cameras are the cameras that they use. I'm just saying.

Those are team cameras, I think. No, like during games. If there's a big run, they show the behind view. Well, that's where the Skycam's right behind them, right? Is that the Skycam? So why can we not use that for reviews? I think they can, can't they? I don't know.

You're saying they're not? They never see it. You see it pretty good. Well, one of the reviews they used yesterday, like on the sideline of the Goddard getting tackled, I mean, there's a referee standing right there where the down-in-distance marker is. No offense to the refs. We have a lot of friends probably that are still reffing in the NFL.

Not friends, but people that I've been friendly with. And they're good. But Cleet Blakeman, he even laughed the other day. probably that are still reffing in the NFL. Not friends, but people that I've been friendly with. And they're good. But Cleet Blakeman, he even laughed the other day. He flubbed one. I think he's a great ref. I think if there was a bunch of him out there, and you can question his calls, the way he manages players and conversations

and attitudes on the field, that's a big part of being the ref as well. Coaches, communicating with the coaches, what you're calling, why you're calling it, the way he talks to the camera, I think is very good. He's a human. If we get a bunch of cleats, that'd be fantastic. Hussey, I like Hussey too.

Hussey's great. I like Hussey as well. I think Hussey's a good ref. He was over there at a Germany game. I'm happy he got the chance to do the first game over there. I think he's a great ref. I'm not saying get rid of the good refs and we need to run them out of town. I'm just saying we need to create a system that can really maybe take care of this for the next generation of football so we don't continue to just run into the wall because that

would be the definition of ineptitude. It's just doing the same thing the same exact way and expecting a much better outcome as opposed to the definition of insanity that Albert Einstein just fucking made up out of his ass and isn't real at all about doing something the same way and expecting a different outcome being the definition of insanity. I think it's actually a definition of ineptitude because if you do the same thing and you keep getting the wrong answer and you acknowledge that and then you choose not to fix it, it's like, why are you, what's the problem? That's not insane.

That's just a lack of ability, I think, personally, to be able to fix it. We're just trying to offer up some better ideas. Yeah, you don't need to run these guys out of town, but there should be a bigger pool so that if there is, like, one referee crew that is terrible, it's not, like, a situation where, hey, we don't have a choice. Like, these guys are going to give a game the next week and the following week and the week after that.

And then when we get to the playoffs, they won't because they'll have a low-rated score. But if we had a bigger pool where it's like, hey, these guys threw 29 flags last game, and it was fucking terrible. Like, they're off this week. We got a different crew going in. We'll see. And if they aren't worth the fuck, then maybe we go back to the drawing board. Get Wally Pipps, some of these people.

Exactly. Let me just say one more thing. Who's grading these people? Go on. Walt Anderson. Why don't we have a bunch of former head coaches grading it? How do you think they'll grade the refs every single time? I think if you get them to look at it and view it honestly,

they'll do it the right way. I do. I think they know what the rules are. But if we're just using the same people that used to be in their positions doing the same exact things to grade the people that are now in the old positions or new positions and those people could potentially be joining them at some point in their position and to what Pereira said they're gonna have each other's backs yeah and just like yes it's a never-ending Walt might be saying like hey nothing ever lower than a b-minus okay like we ain't going below b minus ever could easily happen and to your point about like cleat

and hussy if it was a full-time job then in the offseason those refs could be the ones like training the next batch of referees and guess what cleat hussy good news more money in that exactly because you're a professor now you've been there longer look at us we're creating like job look jobs bonuses full-time thing that needs the first and foremost fucking happening. Yeah, it's a joke. It's a Bush League-type operation

like a Bush Light, like old... What? What? I think he was drinking. Camo can. What? All right, let's get to a break.

All right, let's take five and in an hour or two we'll be on the other side. AJ Hawk will be here. Same with Taylor High. Nicky. Hell yeah. AQ Shipley.

I saw you practicing earlier. Okay? I saw you warming up a little bit earlier. You want to throw a football right now and try to put it in the hoop? Try to make 10 people $500 richer? Is that what you're going to try to do in your beautiful Bella canvas shirt? Come on, Al. One of one. AQ.

You guys ever see these shirts? No. Play black shirt? No, never seen one. Super Bowl champion, A.Q. Shipley. Little cold hands. He's from Pittsburgh originally. Lives in Phoenix now.

He's a bit soft. A little chilly up here in the Thunderdome. Having shaves in two weeks. If A.Q. makes his shot, it does look like he's kind of going through some stuff. I wonder what fight camp has been like. Obviously, Fight Club with Jay Glazer every single week. Falling apart with him in Qatar. If A.Q. makes one of these shots. Jay's where? Yeah, he's in Qatar. Yeah, he's in Qatar. Covering the World Cup. Soccer L single week. True. Falling apart with him in Qatar. If AQ makes one of these shots.

Jay's where? Yeah, he's in Qatar. Yeah, he's in Qatar. Covering the World Cup. Soccer Lombardi. Yeah. Is Fight Club canceled until he gets back? Should be.

That'd be rude. Tell him just to watch Yellowstone. It's the best part of his life. Football's on. Yellowstone's on. What? We're going to Montana this weekend. What?

All right, AQ. You make one of these shots. We'll give 10 random people who retweet this, say something nice to somebody, and put their cash tag in a reply. $500. If you miss, nobody wins a damn thing. The Super Bowl champion, Alan Quay Shipley of Moontownship. Ooh.

Oh, my. That was the one. That was the one. Come on, Al. You can repeat it, right? Yeah. This guy's in the Hall of Fame. Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League

Basketball and Football Hall of Famer. For what town? Used to live in a paint. Moontown. Joe Nardo's place. It is Joe Nardo's town, isn't it? For Joe. For Joe. Oh! Do one for him. Try it.

Not your Joe. Look at him. Look Not your Joe Look at him Look at him Look at him Look at Joe Rest in peace Joe This you Joe This you Joe He's coming around the edge

He's going to strip sack you Q Joe Nardo Would strip sack you though Even though he's part of Project Bundle Break your fucking back Alright That's what you get

You didn't even say thank Oh and then you just He did it on purpose Say sorry Oh that was very nice. Yeah. Sorry, Joe. Tip of the cap.

Was that the first sign of respect we've seen? About time. From AQ Shipley and Jerry Nora? Certainly looks like it. Fight Club right here on the desk. Exciting. Your first one was really good. It was.

Second one wasn't bad. Third one kind of lost you. Terrible. Next hour, you'll be better. Joining us now live from an attic in ohio is a college football national champion a super bowl champion a rider cup champion a covet survivor a man who called coach rabel fat yesterday ladies and gentlemen aj hawk aj how you doing yeah i see what you're doing i see what you're trying to do you know you know

better than that what what i do i would. I didn't say Braves was fat. Never said it. Luke, being his best friend for 40 years, may have made a comment about that, but not myself. But thank you. Good to be here on the program. Oh, great to have you here. Thank you for clearing those things up.

I thought for sure I heard you echo the sentiment of Luke Fickle yesterday, whenever. Nope. Nope. I thought if we were running back, there was a chance you. You could probably check it out if you want to after the show. You can see what happens. All right, well, I'll just take your word for it. I'm not going to go back.

I'll take your word for it. And I apologize for putting words in your mouth. Tom Brady also called Vrabel fat a little bit, it seems like. So I think everybody that is friends with Vrabes has probably experienced Vrabes at some point, is seeing a weakness right now of Vrabes. This guy is deep in the middle of the season. Oh, we can kind of attack this thing a little bit. I did

send a text to Coach Vrabel last night, letting him know that, and I falsely accused, I guess now I'm learning, that Luke Fickle and A.J. Hawk called him fat on the show. He had a great response. I will not read it, but know that he is okay taking all the smoke right now, and I assume he's

going to get back into great shape this offseason, and there's going to be a little bit of what were you saying we were doing a little bit of this anyways last night commanders beat the philadelphia eagles you were on the commanders plus 10 and a half turned out to be a great pick by uaj what did you see in that commander scene that made you think that they're going to be close and then obviously they get to win what did you see in them getting to win last night well it's whatever taylor heineke has. I know he's coming on the show here in a couple minutes. Like, whatever the moxie he has, the competitive drive, like, the whole team feeds off it. You can hear comments from other players on the team after the game.

Like, whatever it is, he has that thing, and people seem to rally around him. And their defense played well when they need to, and they had big stops. And he converted a bunch of big third downs. Like, they did what they needed to do to win. Only one team in the history of the NFL has gone undefeated from bell to bell is the 1972 dolphins we hear about them they're popping bottles last night and probably this morning because the last remaining undefeated team did suffer a defeat follow-up are you worried about the eagles or is this inevitable at some point for the philadelphia eagles to lose the game because

stats literally tell us that yeah i'm not no i – no. I am not worried about the Eagles. I don't think a loss is ever a good thing, but it's fine. They'll be okay. They'll keep moving. What were you going to say, Connor? You just gave a little reaction right there. No, I agree. I mean, I agree. That was their worst game.

They showed the stat yesterday while they were playing. They had three turnovers in their first eight games, and they had three turnovers last night. Like, you lose a turnover battle, you lose the game. What an incredible run they've been on. Only three turnovers in the first eight games. I saw that pop up there, and it was as Jalen Hurts was coming off the field or whatever.

I still got a lot of faith in him as a leader. I think Jalen Hurts is a guy that can go win. I think Jalen Hurts is a quarterback that can win a Super Bowl. I don't know how many of them are out there, and I'm not diving into all. I think he's a part of an exact number of people. I think Jalen Hurts and that Philadelphia Eagles team can win a Super Bowl, even though they just got the loss, I think, personally. They got the blueprint. I mean, they got everybody. They got a good defensive line. They got a good defense. They got a great

offensive line, a good run game, and then a ton of weapons on the outside. And you have a quarterback on a rookie contract, which allows you to pay everybody else. And Sirianni, who's obviously football guru. That's right. Genius. An absolute dog. Now, you think he, there was a shot of him last night in deep thought and they just were zooming in on his face slowly. And I was like,

I would love to know what the fuck's going on in between those ears right there. Because he was, he was locked in on something, AJ. And they were just like

showing his head and he wasn't talking to anybody. He was certainly figuring some shit out. And I'd like to know just like the second to second thoughts that are in Sirianni's head. Cause I think he just loves competing, loves

competing. I think a loss. Now he told us it's easier to motivate guys whenever you win. He's, he recognized that whenever he was at Mount Union for the, he only had two losses, like 63 and two or 53 and two or something like that. When he was at Mount Union, he said, cause when you're winning, you can get people to buy in easier. Like, Hey, we're winning because we're doing all these things. You can keep people buying in. Because I asked him, is it difficult to motivate whenever you're winning? And he said, no, opposite, actually. Easier because you're buying in.

Now he has an opportunity. He's got the weight off his shoulders, the monkey off their back, the undefeated season's there. And he probably has some things he can point out and say, if we continue to do this, we can lose. It might end up being good for the Philadelphia Eagles in the long haul, what happened last night to the Commanders. Yeah, it could end up definitely being a good thing. Now, in the moment, yeah, like you always want to win every single game you play. That's how everybody should feel. But, yeah, you could definitely take what you can from a loss and move on.

And you're right, maybe it does relieve some kind of weird – maybe it just – I guess they just don't have to answer questions about it after every single game, going into every single game hell are you guys thinking about this you care about being undefeated no matter what the players say it's hard to believe them like god we don't care it doesn't matter to us and what truly matters is win the super bowl that's all anyone cares about joining us now is a man who is three and one as a starter this season for the washington commanders obviously he's out of old dominion old dominion star. The greatest player to ever play at Old Dominion, in my opinion. I assume he has others.

In my personal opinion, greatest Old Dominion football player of all time. Damn good NFL quarterback. Fresh off of a dub last night in Philadelphia. Ladies and gentlemen, the iced out, jade out, Taylor Heineke. Yeah! Come on, guys. Hey, thank you for joining us, us man this is really cool of you especially after how big of a night was last night saw you iced out on the plane you looked amazing

you're three and one as a starter this season tell us about the win last night tell us about your team and when brandon graham hit you were you like fucking game over pal what was the what was the entire mindset there it just kind of take us through it all, if you could. Yeah, kind of going back through the game. It was a complete team effort, man. We ran the ball 49 times. Offensive line did a great job protecting and in the run game. Receivers made plays.

Defense made a lot of turnovers. Freaking Joey Sly is hitting bombs out there for field goals. Hey! Lace is right on that 58 yarder. That's not an easy kick. How cold? You know, freaking Joey Sly is hitting bombs out there for field goals. Hey. Hey. There you go. Lace is right on that 58 yarder. That's not an easy kick. How cold?

Is it cold? Was it cold last night? It was pretty chilly. 50? 30s. 30s? In the fucking 30s last night, you're saying? I think so.

High 30s, low 40s. Lace is dead right. Ball spinning. 58 yarder in the 30 degree weather is a massive. I mean, that wasn't his only one. I think he had two from 50 plus. Big night for Joey. I'm very happy for him, but sorry. I just stopped and say that just because I want people to understand how good of a fucking ball that is. 58 laces to the right, not supposed to be able to hit it as clean. He makes it.

I appreciate you shouting him out. I just wanted to, you know, kind of tag team that thing, but yeah, 40 minutes of possession you guys had last night. That's huge. Yeah, it was huge. And you know, a big part of that as well is just converting the third downs um you know we're pounding the rock we're getting third and short situations and uh you know the biggest thing for us was trying to keep their offense off the field and you know how to do that was run the ball and convert third downs which we did a great job of so um you know it was a full team after last night and yeah on that on that last play you know we called it we just called sticky.

It was like, hey, if Terry's open, give it to him. If not, just take a sack. So in my mind, I was like, this guy better be wide the hell open for me to throw it to him if I'm just taking the sack. So I took a knee there, and I saw Reddit coming in. I was like, oh, this might be a little too close. But then I saw Graham coming in, and I was like, please hit me. And sure enough, he did. He got the enough he did yeah it was a good little deal uh before your question aj let's run that clip because we

we broke this down earlier because obviously the refs are going to get attacked for this because this this won the game for you guys he is if you run this he whenever you take a knee stop it when he takes a knee bam he's six yards you here. We did the calibration for it actually. Now that was a weird fucking neat Taylor. What was, what was, what was, why was that the, why was that the knee of choice? Just giving yourself up double knee. Let's go ahead and sprawl on this ground as fast as possible. Exactly. I wasn't really thinking of how I was going to take a knee. I just knew I was going to get on the ground. So that's in your head, you're running and you're like, all right, I got to get down here. And you just first, let me jump down. It's amazing. Cause I think you baffled Graham're running, and you're like, all right, I've got to get down here, and you just first react, let me jump down on you.

It's amazing because I think you baffled Graham. I think it was like a little bit of a baffling. Did the whistle come quick, you think? I don't remember how quick the whistle was. Was the whistle there? Well, I remember I was on the ground for a good bit, and he came in hot and got me. And right when he hit me, I looked at the ref.

I was like, yo, what the fuck? Yeah. And I saw him reach for his fight immediately. Got it, AJ. Taylor, sorry. Is that something you guys practice? Do you actually practice a play like that? I would imagine you would want to.

Hey, if Terry's open, I'm going to give it to him. If not, I got to get down and take a sack. I guess it's much more safe for the team to go down and not sit there and just absorb three guys hitting you and worry that they might strip the ball from you. Is it something you guys work on? No, it's much more safe for the team to go down and not sit there and just absorb three guys hitting you and worry that they might strip the ball from you. Is it something you guys work on? No, it's not. You know, right before that play, Scott was on the headset just saying,

hey, we're going to call this play. If Terry's open, throw it to him. If not, just take a sack. And I was like, all right. So he wasn't open like I wanted him to be open. So I kind of tried to waste a little bit more time off the clock by, you know, just scramming a little bit and then just getting down. So, again, you know, they made a little mistake.

And, you know, we're kind of happy they did it. Yeah, I think, like, refs, obviously, everybody, you talk to former players and fans are like, got to let him play. But also, like, there were six yards from when you gave yourself up in a weird – I mean, I don't know what I would do either. In that situation, I don't know what I would do, so I can't judge you. But you took a knee clearly. He was far.

I think he just competitive moment hit you. But I think watching it, the ref had to call it. I think that's how it was. You guys win a game, make a great play, and put a bow on an incredible Monday night football, which is, you know, not just Monday night, but you go back to what you did against the Colts. You look at what you did against the Packers. I you guys have been on a run you have made plays when

you've had to make plays you've thrown balls in the bucket to scary Terry and at the beginning of the season you were told it wasn't your team anymore how have you been able to handle this you've been the consummate professional through this your locker room loves you sounds like your coaches love you why do you think like you've been able to handle this situation that a lot of people wouldn't have been able to mentally, you think, Taylor? Yeah, you know, again, I kind of just go back to where I was two years ago. I was not playing ball, and I thought I was done. So, you know, every opportunity I get, I'm just happy to be in the building,

first off, because, again, you know, I didn't know if I was ever going to play ball again. So, you know, I knew they were going to go out and get a quarterback after the last season. We went and got Carson. And, you know, I kind of just, you know, took my role and went with it. I was like, I'm going to back up Carson the best I can, help him any way I can. And if my number's called, I'll be ready to go. So, you know, my biggest thing is I just want to win.

You know, you guys have been NFL locker rooms. It sucks losing. It doesn't matter if you're playing or not. So, you know, I just want to be the best teammate I can be and help any way I can. So if they want to go with Carson next week, great. You know, I'm going to help them in any way I can. Hey, it's admirable, dude.

You need to know that. It's not a normal thought. Keep that, man. It's a weapon that you have that not a lot of people have, and you're balling right now. Connor, your question for Taylor. Yeah, Taylor, I think a lot of us have already seen the conversation with Ron Rivera after the game. Did you and your teammates kind of talk about getting that win for him and everything he went through this week with his mother?

Yeah, you know, we didn't really need to talk about it. You know, you guys seen all the stuff going on with the organization. You know, week in, week out, we always hear something going on. And, you know, I feel like just Coach Rivera doesn't get a break. You know, he goes over to see his mom, you know, at the end of her time. And then, you know, she passes away and he comes back and there's another report out. And it's just that the guy can't catch a break. So to go out there and battle for him last night and get that win was huge for him.

And he's proud of us because, again, every week there's a report coming out. We just put our heads together and focus on ball. So the guys are really excited right now. We're on a roll. Hopefully we just keep this thing going. I was going to ask you about your relationship with Ron Rivera because of the thing that you also alluded to there. Seemingly, world on fire over there, you know, seemingly. But you guys in that locker room have been able to maintain the course.

What is it about Ron Rivera that makes him such the perfect leader for your team? And what is your relationship like with him? Yeah, me and him have a great relationship. You know, we go back to Carolina in 2018 when I was first with him. He's the ultimate player's coach, man. He have a great relationship. You know, we go back to Carolina in 2018 when I was first with him. He's just – he's the ultimate player's coach, man. He lets everyone beat themselves. And all he does is demand that, you know, you're focused and work hard when you're in the facility.

And, you know, all the guys do that. So, you know, again, when those reports come out, the cool thing about him is he'll address it first thing in the morning in a team meeting. He'll address it, tell us what's kind of going on and say, hey, let me handle this. You guys focus on football. You know, that's why you're here. So, um you know he really takes that off all of our hands and just lets us focus on ball boys uh i think we're selling

a team remember i said that a couple weeks ago before it came out we're actually now selling the team but i'll deal with that you guys got nothing to do it's been incredible what you guys have been able to accomplish on the field. It's already hard enough to win in the NFL, let alone when everything's going on around it. It's definitely worthy of a conversation. I can't thank you enough for having it about Ron. Go ahead, AJ.

I guess with your team right now, how do you guys feel moving forward? I know Chase Young is reportedly going to be coming back hopefully this week, maybe. I mean, you guys are on a nice little roll there. I would imagine you guys want to keep riding this momentum. Yeah. Again, we had three games in a row that we won, and then we lost to Minnesota that we felt like we could have won, that we kind of let slip. And that was a good team.

They were a 6-1 team at the time. They're now 8-1, just beat the Bills, and that's a good team that we kind of let off the hook. To go up there and beat Philly, you know, undefeated at their place, hostile environment Monday night, it's huge for us. You know, the guys feel very comfortable, very confident right now. And, again, hopefully just keep this thing rolling.

You guys are good, man. I mean, Tariq Glenn went into the ring of honor here in Indianapolis. Did you not care about that whenever you were playing? You know what I mean? I guess it was a celebration. We got that homecoming vibe in highapolis. Did you not care about that whenever you were playing? You know what I mean? I guess it was a celebration. We got that homecoming vibe in high school. You know, when you're a homecoming team,

the away team, you feel like you're a little disrespected. So, yeah, we felt like we needed to rain on the parade a little bit. I will say we talked about it. We talked about it. We were like, this is basically like, I actually said exactly what you said.

Jim O'Shea picked this game to be a homecoming game. And I'm sure Rivera addressed this with the team, but Jim got a promo on your current owner of your team a few weeks back. It's like, did he pick it because of his relationship with the other owner? Did he pick it because the quarterback's going there? Was it just scheduling, whatever the case, it was supposed to be what it was supposed to be?

And then in the last drive, you and Scary Terry. What is it about you and Scary Terry that's so beautiful? Last night, you dropped one in a bucket for him. He made an incredible catch. But you two are creating highlights every single week. What is it like playing alongside of him, and why do you think you love him so much? And would every quarterback fucking love Scary Terry McClure?

Yeah, man. He's just one of those guys that, you know, the coolest thing about Terry is he'll even tell you his biggest problem coming out of college was contested catches. And that's what his strength is now. You know, he worked hard at it. So, you know, the more reps we get together, the more we play together, I feel like we get more comfortable.

He understands my strengths, my weaknesses, and vice versa. So, you know, whenever we get a one-on-one with Terry, you like your chances. You know, we paid him a lot of money this offseason. We paid him for a reason, and you see it on the field. He's making plays in crucial situations all the time. So I'm very happy he's on our team and hopefully we can keep it rolling. Where did he go to school?

Do you know? Ohio State. Oh. O-H. I-O. All right. I mean. That works, too.

This guy actually wants to. He's an Ohio State legend. He's in the Ohio State Hall of Fame. Never says that. Hey, Jayhawk. Trying to speak to him. Trying to talk to the guest. I grew up.

Oh, God. You see, I grew up a big Packer fan, so I grew up watching AJ Hawk, and me and my dad were big fans, so this is pretty cool. What did you think about old 50 flying around trying to cause CT on everybody? What were you? Hey, you're a gunslinger, though, the way you play. Like, I think we all appreciate, and I'll let AJ chime in here, but I think you're like an old-school quarterback. quarterback aj you feel the same way about watching this dude i

really get that feeling from him yeah great like you're not scared to stay you know someone's barreling barreling down at you a free runner and you're gonna stand there until it uh until the last possible second before you pull the trigger is that something you always had like did you did someone instill that in you at a young age? Again, man, I grew up watching Packers, so I grew up watching Brett Favre. So I watched him. Don't emulate everything. Don't raise any funds. Okay, don't do any.

We're talking on the field, on the field, on the field. We're talking football. On the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. Yeah, I grew up watching him. He had a lot of fun with the game. He was passionate.

And I remember him talking trash to Warren Sapp all the time. And I was like, you know what? This makes me fall in fun with the game he's passionate and i remember him you know talking trash to warren sapp all the time and i was like you know what this is this makes me fall in love with the game so um i try to emulate him ever since i started watching him when i was eight years old so um on the field on the field on the field on the field on the field ty also grew up watching the packers as a question for you guys taylor it's very admirable that you know you said you know you don't hey, if Carson starts next week, you just want to do whatever you can to kind of prepare him. I'm not in the building, obviously, but from the outside looking in,

Carson ain't fucking starting next week. I think it's your team, you're the guy. And if I'm not mistaken, I think you're making like 200K for every win. So is that something that you're telling the guys on offense, like, hey, I don't have the big money contract, all right, so we need to fucking win these games so I can keep affording these J's that I'm buying after the game? And did you see the $150,000 coming around the edge as Brandon Grant when you were taking a knee?

Is that the exact brink struck you, Sasha? No, the cool thing is that everyone kind of knows that part of my contract. So they're all saying let's get to this bonus check so it's cool man these guys are trying to help me out give me some more money in my pocket and uh i feel like i'm gonna do something cool for the offensive line this week i think i might buy them all the starting offensive lines and jays too so i already got a green pair okay we beat the packers a couple weeks ago you get some j's you get some j's you get some j's make sure you save your money man you've earned it uh entirely and you know afterwards

it feels like you and the team have is it a meet because i remember you went in and there was i think chase young was pointing at the heineke and there was a mic'd up segment in your first game where they're like we've been saying like this guy is a guy or whatever and you bowed your relationship with your teammates is special last night obviously on the plane see you all iced out with the glasses you know drinking water out of an interesting cup that you were choosing to use which is very nice of you to hydrate and everything like that but that moment what is that plane ride like back home and what is the team like right now i assume vibes are incredibly high from that video is that what it's always like in there yeah you know my biggest thing when i first got here was again i'm gonna try and be the best team i can be so i try and take a lot

of my time out you know my free time just to go around the locker room just cut it up with all the guys what's the dbs defensive line um linebackers i don't care who it is let's let's all develop this relationship so We have a really huge family feel here in the locker room, which is great. That plane ride home last night was awesome. All the guys were trying to get me iced out. It was a cool deal. Hopefully, we can

keep this thing going. Whose glasses? That was a nice little added touch to the whole thing. That was my boy, BK. He's practice squad DM. Really cool cool guy but he put the cardi a's on so it had cherry on top yeah it was a nice little bonus there the glasses last question for you here uh taylor from aq shipley hey so let's pivot back to last week so leading up into the prep third downs are a big indication of whether you win or lose. Was it a big talking point that we need to hold possession and convert third downs and do this leading into this week, knowing what they have on the other side on offense?

100%. Again, we go back last week and we looked at their film and looked at the film from Philly and Texans. And the Texans did a pretty good job. They got after them in the run game. And ever since that big number 90 for for them went down their rookie from Georgia um their average yardage per rush was 2.7 and with him out it was six so we're like hey we have a good chance here to run the rock and we just got to convert we got to convert third downs uh if we can keep converting third downs long sustaining drives keep their offense off the field. That's just good for our whole team.

Again, it was a huge team effort. Again, Joey Sly with some big-time kicks. It was a full-team effort. Proud of the guys. Hell, yeah, and we're proud of you, man. Hey, we're proud of you. Last time we talked to you, it was at Radio Row. That's right.

And we thought at that point the slogan or the song for it was going to be, We are commanders. Bum, ba-da-dum, bum, bum, bum, bum. But that's not the song. No, no, no. No, no, no. What the song is for the commander squad is actually, yep, there it is. There it is.

So you know the song. So you got, you put your left hand up. Who are we? The Commanders. You guys are jamming that locker room? Were we playing that in the locker room in the plane last night? Or is it something that you guys all just know about? No, we were playing a lot of Meek Mill because, you know, we were in Philly.

Oh. So this team, your team is a bunch of savages, huh? You guys are a bunch of dogs over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. A bunch of guys that just like to have fun, cause some commotion. So, yeah, huh? You guys are a bunch of dogs over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. A bunch of guys that just like to have fun. Cause some commotion, so yeah. Good group of guys.

Hey, put your left hand up. Who are we? The Commanders. Sanders! Who are we? The Commanders! What a banger. I remember the first morning I heard this song. Changed my life. Play that shit again. Thank you, Wale.

Played it ten... I don't know if Wale was a part of it. What? Once again, I do not know if Wale was a part of it, but shout out to the creators of Said We Are the Commanders. Oh, goody. And shout out to you, Taylor, because you're a story of the American dream, pal. You have a great mindset.

You have a great attitude. You're a great teammate, and you're great on the football field. We appreciate the hell out of you for your time today. Enjoy the rest of your day, pal. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me. What do you have for us today? Anything cool? What are you doing? About to put a couple zins in and go home. Oh, hell yeah!

Fucking dog. Yeah! Ladies and gentlemen, Taylor Otterfield. Yeah! Oh, man. I fucking love that guy. That's my farm. Yeah, he's a sinner. On the field. On the field.

On the field. Probably going to sin again. I am a sinner. Every game day that we go to, except for this last one because we're in the middle of a storm in a stadium. Yeah. We do the show live. I do the show, and then once I get off the show, to get to where I have to go, I always have to walk through,

like, all the people that are watching the show. So if people are going to come out and hang out and watch the show, there's no sound. So they have to watch on their phones. They're standing behind me watching it on their phones at all these game day things. So if they come out, like, I feel obligated to talk to literally every person there. The amount of zins that I have signed, Every single place I go to, I sign.

Pat, Pat, sign my zin, please. Sign my fucking zin, please. Oh, you're signing a zin. And then I always write on there, like, hey, have a good time here or whatever. And then I sign it. They're like, yeah, sign the zin. For those that don't know, zin is basically a tobacco pouch that doesn't have. Yeah, it's basically just nicotine. Yeah, it's a nicotine pouch

that doesn't have tobacco in it. And people love it. People love it. Good for him. Don't you start with the jaw? Yeah, he kicked the jaw. Yeah, he probably was a big-time jaw dog, I would assume, and now he's trying to kick it. He's on Zinn. Good man. Getting better. Getting healthier. Here you go, Taylor.

Put a couple zins in. Get home. Get home. Get out of here. That's awesome. So I didn't want to bring it up whenever he was on. If you heard me talk about how he had water in an interesting cup, he did. He had a plastic cup that actually had a bush-like can wrap on it. Yeah, I'd never seen that before.

Yeah, so he was drinking water and Gatorade out of an interesting cup last night on a flight home. And we didn't want to show that in the photo because we didn't want to get anybody to get any wrong impressions or in trouble or anything for having that potentially on a National Football League plane. But we all know that they have those cups everywhere. And if you're a starting quarterback in the NFL, you're going to use that bush-like cup that looks like a can just because it

makes you feel comfortable like you're back home doing what you've got to do. And then water's put in there. Gatorade's put in there. Keepades put in your water extra cold boom yeah it's like it's like a liquid death can but it's a cup right and it has bush light designs on it i've seen other designs on that sure that's clearly what he was drinking yeah just from my eyes first time i saw it i was like oh that's one of those cups that probably has water gatorade in it so he can rehydrate himself right aj and that? Isn't that what you thought? Yeah. I mean, that's what all QBs do, I feel like, on the way home from big wins.

That's how you hydrate. I've seen wine bottles, the cups that look like wine bottles. Yeah. And then when you poured the water in, it would turn either red or a yellow. Clear. It's like a mind trick almost. And it's like, oh, that's a cup. Chris Angel.

Exactly. They're rehydrating. I've seen people do it in like Crown Royal. Yeah, like whiskey bottles. Yeah, like cups that look like whiskey bottles. Yeah, a few tarragus. I've seen that on planes before. I think I've seen a lot of the Bud Light cups, obviously. Yeah.

A lot of the Bud Light cups. Yeah, those are pretty popular. Most of them. Yeah. So vodka. I think there's a vodka cup. Tequila cup. I think there's a tequila cup.

All these things. But whenever you look at that it's not alcohol no no that is that is them hydrating with different cups to make them feel as if they're fitting in with their friends who would be drinking these types of things in these exact moments if you win a massive game over an undefeated team your friends that are your age and humans that have brains and personalities uh would normally enjoy a beer or something like that. Can't do that, obviously. He knows he can't do that.

Professional athlete. Right. So he put, they started making these cups. It was like middle of our career, I think, is when he started making these cups. Yeah, it was about that. No, no, no. It's been actually. Since 1966.

Yeah, I think these cups have been around. No, I thought you told me you used to have to go get the industrial size crown Cups Yeah, the industrial crown Cups Yeah, they were cups They look like bottles, but you take the top off You see, that's just a cup

And then you can put anything in there Usually water, Gatorade Soda I thought he had the new exclusive Bush water That's good as fuck Have you had it yet? Pedialyte. It's a good gift. I thought he had the new exclusive Bush water. That's good as fuck. Have you had it yet? Maybe that's what that was. That's what I thought. What we've been told is

because it potentially was apparently a Bush light. Son of a bitch. Is it clearly though? We're saying it's water, but there's others that are saying that that wasn't water.

There's, I guess, a little bit of potential. There's something going on potentially. Those that are wondering why we didn't mention that in our conversation with said person that was in the video holding the bush light cup that had water or Gatorade in it is because we didn't want to put said person in interesting predicament

because I guess there is a potential fallout ripple effect on that particular plane in that particular league is what is being said to me, which I did not know was a rule until a minute and a half before we went live with this guy who had the bush-like cup with water in it. I did not know that. You knew that? That changed. I don't know how many years ago it changed. They used to serve the coaches in first class and then they had to stop that eventually because they don't want people getting DUIs on the way

home. They land and all of a sudden guys are slopping their way to their car and driving home. Yeah, I think now is the right time to make that rule when Uber and things like that exist. Typically, guys who weigh over 200 pounds, if you drink one light beer, you will get a DUI. So that is why all these NFL teams

have these cups that look like all these alcoholic beverages it's nice to know that the commander's cup of choice is a bush light beer can yeah that's sweet that's awesome actually yeah good to know so thanks for hydrating last night thanks for being a role model well luckily too they didn't watch the game because they played so many Bud Light commercials I had to drink 18 of them last night you're talking about the players didn't get to see those players didn't watch the game because they played so many Bud Light commercials, I had to drink 18 of them last night. You're talking about the players didn't get to see those. Players didn't get to see them, no. And if they did, they might have been tempted.

But thank God they didn't. Thank God. It was just water. Yeah. All right. Let's get to a break. We shouldn't have taken a break right now. Don't have to.

Don't have to. Never do. Nope. Did we miss the hard out? No, because we're in, like, that interesting time right now. We don't have any of those anymore. Fucking rebels. I got to ask somebody, are you still doing your show?

Hi, I'm from media thing. Are you still doing your show? Are you shopping around for a new home after Sirius dropped you or something like that? And I was like, okay, block this number. That's an interesting way to look at it. I am not. It's really tough to figure out for that person if without asking you well yeah they do i honestly believe that i read the question like five times and i was like so is this person oblivious is this

person hoping that i respond in a way you know that is bad like. Like, what is the angle? Yeah. What is the angle? What's the angle? So, adult Pat, blocks number, doesn't answer. See you. But I do believe there's people out there that don't know that we're still doing our show. So, I guess business-wise, that'd be a bad decision to get off SiriusXM. But I guess there's 50-some thousand people watching right now. Well, tell them to tell a friend.

Yeah. Or something. Tell some of these media people that we're still doing the program. Jeez. People thought we were dead when we left there. Got dropped.

Get the fuck out of here. Let's talk about some other stuff. Got dropped? Is that real? Did we? Is that what happened? I guess. I mean, I thought you said you wanted to build your catalog like Conan O'Brien before ever trying to do something. No, but they didn't make an offer, really. We never really got the business conversation.

So I guess we did get dropped. Contract expired. Is that we did get dropped? No, mutually agreed to part ways. I don't know because they didn't make an offer. But you wouldn't have. Mutually agreed. Because they knew.

Well, they did know because we did have a conversation about four or five months beforehand. You let them know. Just laying some things out. Hey, these are my thoughts. And I never heard from personally. Yeah, I think that was pretty much sealed at Radio Row. There was one conversation I remember in particular. It was like, all right, well, it's been a good run. Yeah, well,

there was a couple things said, you know. People are good. There are good people over there. I think there are a lot of very good people at Sirius. What's the future for Sirius? Is Sirius going to stay in the same deal, like a subscription to the shows? I know they're big podcast stuff now. How's that work? So Warren Buffett, right, owns Sirius, and he also owns all the cars. So Sirius is always going to live in all the new cars that come out,

I think because Warren Buffett owns the radio that they're putting into those cars. I think Sirius will be around forever i think i honestly believe they are a sustainable survivable will be around company i think honestly and the people we've met over there good people but the way it was phrased to me like are you still doing your show after you got dropped it was like oh fuck is that what some people think that's great that is awesome if that's how it is viewed because then when we come back somewhere, it's like rising from the ashes. Like a phoenix.

Like a phoenix coming out of nowhere. Or we just stay on social media and garner you know, 40, 50 million dollars a week. Let's go to the phones. We don't have the phones. We don't have that figured out yet. Let's talk about OBJ suing Nike

for willfully withholding millions of dollars in inventing excuses not to pay him. This is fascinating because all the news around OBJ had been super positive, super positive. He's been cleared to play. Every team wants him. It's the Chiefs, the Bills, the Cowboys, the Rams.

The Giants are in the game. I don't know about the Niners. I think the Niners should get in there. But all these teams, this is what the news was for OBJ. OBJ's coming back. He's going to take a couple weeks, get back into football shape, and figure out where he wants to go, although he has a team. It's been like a recruit coming out of high school.

Like, these are my final top five here, and they're all Super Bowl contenders. And when I decide which one I want to go to, I'm obviously going going to be offered a contract i'm obviously going to be given playing time we're about three weeks away from the obj show is pretty much what the conversation was odo beckham jr's coming back on the field just like you saw him at the super bowl just like you saw him after he got himself released from the browns from obs's video editing package that he put on his instagram he gets picked up at the rams touchdown touchdown touchdown touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. Odell Beckham Jr., Super Bowl MVP, blows out ACL, gets hurt. Now is he going to be a yearly

hired assassin for teams that are going to go to the Super Bowl? Will Odell Beckham Jr. end up with like five Super Bowls with like five different teams over the next coming years? Could be the case. The only drama that we've heard from OBJ literally came yesterday from Odell Beckham Jr.'s account

in which he announced that he will be suing Nike because he doesn't think they're holding up their end of the bargain for the deal. Now, it's a bit wordy, but I do believe we have to read it. Being a Nike athlete and brand icon was a dream I've had since a young boy. I wanted to be the next Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, LeBron James, or Kobe Bryant in the Nike family. I wanted to be the next Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, LeBron James, or Kobe Bryant in the Nike family. When Nike exercised its right of first refusal to match the Adidas offer, which Adidas, you know, I think has some money that has opened up over the last couple of years. I don't know if you've heard about it. Chappelle referenced it in who founded Adidas in his opening monologue,

which was like 30 minutes long, which if you get a chance to watch Dave Chappelle's brain do its thing, you should. To match the Adidas offer not only kept me as a Nike athlete, but also made me one of their brand icons. My dream had been fulfilled. Unfortunately, Nike did not honor its commitments. Throughout our partnership, I've kept my promise and fulfilled my obligations to the brand. I'm extremely disappointed that I've had to take these measures to ensure Nike fulfills their obligations and promises.

Today, I'm taking a stand not just for me, no, no, but to set a precedent for all athletes who have dedicated their life to the sport they love, especially those who don't have the means to stand up for themselves. We are held responsible for filling our obligations under our contracts, but we also have to hold the powerful companies like Nike accountable for honoring their commitments, too. I look forward to resolving this issue and hope we can start a real conversation about protecting athletes and their rights.

This happens too often in the sports industry industry and it's time for a change. As this is now a legal matter, please refer any questions to my attorney, Daniel DeVillier. So he said, this is what I'm going to say. Now, if you have anything else you'd like to hear, Mr. DeVillier is the person that you shall talk to. Now, is this revolving around? There's always clauses in contracts. I've been a part of a lot of, you know, rather large negotiations now at this point in my life. And there's always clauses for pay because the people who are paying somebody very rarely just want to fork over the money for no reason. That's just not how business operates. So there's always clauses. There's always expectations. There's always things that can get in there. Now, in a new contract that I

guess was in previous contracts, but not all of them, force majeure is something that companies are adding into contracts so that they don't have to pay somebody if a world stoppage happens like COVID brought into. So literally every day there's new clauses getting brought into contracts because somebody had gotten fucked over by somebody somewhere, and the lawyer thought of a new situation that could potentially fuck over somebody somewhere. That's why contracts are 175 pages and it's all bullshit. And most of the contractors are like, oh, you're going to fuck me in this entire deal.

No, no, I'm going to fuck. It's not a real partnership, really, whenever you start reading through what the contracts actually read. It's mostly a cover my ass so I could potentially fuck you if I think you're fucking me. That's kind of what contracts are. I don't know when that happened. I don't think it was always that way. I think there was a lot of handshake agreements that have taken place in the past. And then once people started taking advantage of situations and contracts had just become a mess of shit in which you have to have

a lawyer and attorney read through it because all these clauses are worded in lawyer or attorney language. So the common fuck can't understand what it is. Now, if you have a man like CFO Phil, who's very stubborn and is a former hockey goon, who also happens to have a big old brain and a numbers guy. And he's like, nah, we are going to read through every single one of these contracts and we're going to dive through it. And we'll ask an attorney for sure on the things that we don't understand in us sending us sending shit to attorneys that we have to pay hourly, just with a fucking circle around something like that, just literally a big square around something.

And then we put a massive question mark and then we write, what the fuck does this mean? And then we'll get like a synopsis basically from an attorney on what that is. And it's like, oh, we don't want that. So then we go, you're going to have to take that entire part out. We are not doing that.

It's a much different way than business has been done in the past, I think, with a lot of people. But we've gotten to the point where we're able to do as such, and it's great to be here. I don't think everybody can do the business the way we do business. I don't think you should. We haven't been able to do business the way we do business now forever. You kind of got to get to this spot. But a good partnership is worth fucking gold. A good partnership is amazing.

Having businesses that understand you and you understand the business and everybody has the mindset of the same thing, which is not only propelling the brand forward, but also making the person that is endorsing it a much better person and a better business as well. It's a beautiful thing. Doesn't always happen. I think a lot of it revolves around the way contracts are structured. I hope those are changing in the future. You've heard fights about contracts, legalese, for a long time. A lot of people are not happy about them. There's one going on right now, very loud, over in Hollywood

with a man whose name is just two letters. But I would assume this revolves around him not playing this season. If I had to just guess, there's some clause in there about him not being on a team for the first 10 weeks. And maybe that's why they hadn't paid as much. But Odell Beckham Jr.'s people probably say, hey, the numbers that you wanted from us, both digitally, socially, impression-wise, whatever. Odell's been everywhere. I've been on literally every single sideline.

I've been on every single team. I've still been out there. I'm still Odell Beckham Jr. My followers have gone up. I got more followers now than I did whenever I was playing for the Cleveland Browns. So I'm assuming this is, you know, a volleyball back and forth of what's going on. But it's certainly over some sort of clause. I don't know if it's because he's not on a team.

I'm just assuming that would make sense that some lawyer at Nike would try to take advantage of that particular clause to not give up money. And I like the fact that Odell's like, no, this ain't how shit has to be done. Whatever the case, I would like everybody to know we're on Odell's side. We hope Odell gets all of his fucking money and we hope this gets resolved very quickly, even though we haven't heard a single thing about it, AJ. And that's probably a little biased if I had to guess.

I mean, yeah, I try to figure out what it could be too, because normally like you would sign to however many year deal they lay out how much in merch he's going to get how much cash he's getting obviously i'm sure it's a giant deal he's nike's he's an international superstar yeah i wonder if it's something like that he hasn't played if you're not on a team for a certain amount of time and some snake lawyers trying to come in hey we can take uh some of those bonuses that we owed him or something like maybe that's the case which if it is that's you know odell's coming back it's been like the odell show all year hey where's he gonna go it's not like this dude is hiding yeah

odell's he's been baby face all year odell's been baby face all year he's been talked about in a positive light literally all year because every team wants him he's almost playing for like seven teams because seven different fan bases are like hey come to our team come to our team which is probably what odell and mr devillier are saying to Nike. Like, if it is about him not being on one specific team and playing on Sundays, I assume that there is a lot of counter that Odell and his lawyer have in this entire thing. But contracts are weird, dude. The way they're worded, the ability to not have to pay somebody is interesting.

It's like people talk about you got to read through every contract that you sign. It's like, bro, some contracts are 300 fucking pages long and have no English language in it. It's a lot easier to say. On purpose. Yes. So you don't. So you don't read through it. And so that there's multiple outs.

But this could just be, and we experienced this obviously a couple weeks ago. This is some person, and they think that if they're able to save a certain amount of money, they can go to the person that is their superior and say, hey, look at the money we saved the company. This is what we did. We have this clause. And there's people at Nike that probably have no idea this is happening. And then they see Odell's thing, and they're like, what the?

What just happened? And that's also a part of the problem of some of these mega companies that just the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing. Let's assume this gets resolved, but I could see how this doesn't – I don't know how this doesn't happen more often with the way contracts are kind of set up these days. And who knows? I would imagine part of his gripe would be like,

I overperformed what your expectations were last year. Like I caught a touchdown in the super bowl wearing nike gloves and nike cleats like how many people were watching that you know and when they first did it he was yeah he was on like the brown so that wasn't an expectation and then the gloves what happened the gloves and cleats thing i believe is the actual that he altered the gloves and cleats what did he do because he painted them made them custom oh yeah because he custom you know like if you put any spat on your shoes they're like they used to get away with you could spat like the top of your shoes as long as you had the swoosh showing they used

to draw swooshes on people's tape too but they nike stopped that basically when i was getting in the league they stopped doing that hey so that's another one of those like that's in there no it's not small i think everybody knows it like hey it's in there you can't do this because there'll be guys that think everybody knows it. Like, hey, it's in there. You can't do this. Because there will be guys that have spatted their entire lives. I assume you were a guy that spatted your whole life. Under Armour let you though, right? It was in my deal, yeah, because my rookie year I was with Under Armour. Click, clap, click, clap.

It was their first year of having cleats. So they didn't know how good their cleats would be. So they said, yeah, you can wear whatever cleats you want. I ended up wearing Under Armour's and I spatted. The good thing is I had to spat because they weren't uh they didn't have their agreement yet with the nfl so i had to oh you had to cover up the underarmors so you're almost like a rebel wearing the underarmor and underarmor probably appreciated the fact that oh he's wearing underarmor but he's taping it up like it's almost that's better marketing for them i don't know why you would utilize that as – and I assume they added in more things.

If he's doing that – but if he's doing that, they're telling him in real time, like after the game, they're reaching out to him and his agent saying, hey, we don't want you painting your cleats. We want our cleats how we can sell them on the shelves at stores, I guess. I don't know why that would be a battle you would pick. With him, not with him. With other people, I would argue with other people. With Odell, we can let him. As long as he's wearing Nikes, we're all right.

$2 million, a lot of money. When I was growing up, $2 million. $2 million, a lot of fucking money. Not diminishing how much money $2 million is to a lot of people on Earth, including all of us on this stage. Now still, and also growing up. I'm not diminishing that.

But to Nike, $2 million is what you're going to cause a gripe with Odell Beckham Jr.? And it's like, yeah, we saved $2 million. It's like, did you? And it could impact future guys too, signing with Nike. They know Odell, he has a huge platform. People listen to him. What if he, like some other young studs in college,

are thinking about going Nike and they're like, I remember what they did to Odell. This was the fear of every college coach, that every scholarship in college is a one-year deal. They can pull it after one year. They can pull your scholarship. But no coaches would because they get scared that that high school or high schools around there will hear like,

oh, this coach offers a scholarship and then he pulls them. So then guys would try to run people out of the school. Like, all right, I can't pull a scholarship because that would make me look bad amongst other potential recruits but we can certainly have a conditioning period for certain people that is going to last two hours long yeah every fucking day of the summer and we'll see you know if they want to yeah hey it's easy you can just you know just kind of give us start it let's start at 5 a.m start at 5 a.m you get a two-hour workout before the workout for this group of guys. And we think you need it because we think you get even better from this and that whole thing.

And then they're trying to run fucking guys. They're trying to run guys out of the building. That's what they're trying to do. They're scared. But it's because they're scared to take their scholarship because of the ripple effects. It's like for $2 million, is it worth it? Is it worth it? And I wonder, yeah, how many people at nike knew about it until this

odell made this public i i don't know how many knew that this was an issue yeah phil knight's like what the fuck yeah we're dealing with come on i don't know if you saw the video that uh freedom put out uh enos freedom is that his name oh did he change it yeah yeah i believe his can't yeah it was the artist ford lenovo's scanneror. Yeah, it was Enos Cantor. The artist for the lineup was Enos Cantor. Yeah, I think his name is Enos Freedom now. Oh, yeah. He put a video out last week. Phil Knight's like, Enos Freedom's put a video out.

Now we got Odell Beckham Jr. saying we won't pay him. We got billions of dollars just stacking. What are we doing? I don't understand why you would do it, especially with a brand icon. And they're paying. Nike's paying. Have you ever seen those NBA players? There's guys that play three minutes a night that are getting $5 million a year

from Nike just for their shoe deal. That's how crazy it is in basketball. Seems like a miscommunication. Hopefully they'll get it handled. How does Nike just pick up the alterations and be like, all right, these are the shoes he wears the way he does it, right? Because they can't mass produce those. Yeah, I don't know how often.

Any artist who ever made those cleats or whatever would have an issue maybe. Yep. I think all of us though. They want to be able to sell it. They want to be able to sell to dicks and online. We all think they're Nikes though. When we see the cleats, we're like, those are Nikes. No, you can't go buy those.

You can't go buy those exact cleats. Nike wants you to be able to go buy exactly what Odell's wearing. Hey, we need your cleats to look much worse. Okay? Don't make them cool. So he didn't get paid by Nike and he didn't get paid by the Rams either because Bitcoin's wearing. Hey, we need your cleats to look much worse. Okay? Don't make them cool. So he didn't get paid by Nike and he didn't get paid by the Rams either because Bitcoin's dead.

So... I mean, I guess there is no Nike swoosh on that. Not a single one. You can see it right on the front there. There's that cool pirate logo, though. No, you see next to the... Is it gloves, too? Down there beneath the right X. Yeah, right next to the X. Yeah, right there. You can see the swoosh. He's actually trying to the right X. Yeah, right next to the X. Yeah, right there.

You see the swoosh? He's actually trying to put that in. Yeah, look, look. Look, look, look. Look, look, look. Look, look, look. Ladies and gentlemen, preparing for Thursday night football, fresh off a victory over the Dallas Cowboys with a reunion of a lot of his former coaches,

the back-to-back NFL MVP, ladies and gentlemen, the 11th all-time rusher for the Green Bay Packers. He has amassed 3,436 yards on the ground, freak show athlete, ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah! Aaron, let's dive right into it. Big win over Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys.

How were the vibes? Is this the one that you guys needed? Here we are. We're back, baby. We needed one for sure. It's been a long time. It was a long six weeks for a lot of us. Am I glitching?

No, no, you're perfect. You're perfect. I was glitching, wasn't I? I mean, certainly were, but I didn't want that to distract from the great message. You had a great message going on, man. I'm just in the bowels of Lambeau Field right now. I love that.

On a short little break between walkthroughs here. But, yeah, it feels good to win. It's a long six weeks for the boys. Yeah, long, long. Go ahead, AJ. What was it like seeing your old coach, seeing Mike McCarthy? We saw him wearing a sweet duster out there pregame when he was shaking Ed Warder's hand, I believe. But what did you talk to him pregame, after the game?

How was it? Yeah, we got to spend some really meaningful time before the game. I got to the stadium early. He was already there. And we had about 40 minutes to catch up, really special conversation. Just him and I, I knew there was going to be cameras and different things around us that wouldn't allow for us to kind of have a real conversation on the field or even post-game.

You never really had the opportunity, definitely not privately. So the chance to get to talk to him one-on-one was really special and just shared some great memories and a lot of love and gratitude for the time we had together. That was a really, really meaningful moment for me. I got to see Joe Philbin and hug him after the game. I've always loved Joe and appreciate him. I have so much respect for that man and his help in my development.

A lot of other guys I didn't get a chance to see, Jeff Blasco, Joe Witt, Al Harris. I texted with Scotty Tolzien, but I didn't get to see a lot of those guys afterwards. Hey, you sent him back to the Big D with a big L. You know what I mean? Thanks for coming back, boys. Great to see you. But I think as somebody who didn't know you at the time, whenever the Mike McCarthy era was ending, there was always a conversation you two did not get along. Was that ever true? Was that blown out of proportion?

And you could see how it could be true when two people are together for however many, 15 years or whatever. And then how did you guys get over that? And how often have you chatted since he was no longer your head coach until this moment? I think there's an exaggeration of the rifts between us. I think in any relationship that lasts 13 years. I mean, think about being Laura Hawk and putting up with AJ.

I mean, they got married in what, 2006? Five, really. So that's like 17 years with this guy and all his terrible body smells and his hygiene and his limited diet of just eggs and chicken. I mean, what a sick that person is. You don't think she's got through some days going, what the hell am I doing with this guy?

I mean, he's got a weak little baby chest over here from his peck. I mean, any relationship that lasts a long time, there's always going to be some things you go to. But I would say, and I don't want to compare me and Mike's relationship to AJ and Laura,

but at the root of our relationship is a ton of love and respect for each other. And even when we had issues over the years, we always finished the conversation with, I love you and I appreciate you, and a hug, and then we went on our way. And it was no different than seeing him this time

maybe a little bit more love and gratitude as the years have gone by and appreciation continue to just go up and how important you know he was in my career uh giving me an opportunity sticking with me uh helping me grow as a player and a person. And then, you know, I think he feels the same way, a type of gratitude for our relationship and the time we spent together. Time heals all wounds, they say, and only the bangers survive. So I'm happy to hear that you got to reminisce about the great times together on Sunday. Speaking of great times, it seems like you and Christian Watson are, hey, it seems like you guys are going to have a lot of those ahead of time.

What do you think it was that made them flip the switch this week week because there was a time on the sideline after the first couple drops where you apparently said like hey i'm coming back to him coming back to you three touchdowns later that can change an entire career right are we wrong and thinking that from outside it feels like that was a welcome to the nfl moment for christian and how excited are you for him i think it can be for sure uh what changed it was the over-the-shoulder catch. That was a difficult catch. He had a nice inside release. He reversed stacked, threw a catch for the ball, and he made his first real big play in the league. Then he went down and showed us what he showed us in practice a few weeks ago, did a backflip, just kind of showing the world how athletic he is.

There were obviously other moments at times for him to have some big plays. It didn't happen. But I really feel like this can be a course correction to who knows what's at the level for anybody. When you go out on national TV and you have that kind of performance, I don't care if it's Devontae Adams or a rookie, when you go out and ball out have three touchdowns in a game on national tv at a prime time slot on fox like that against uh you know a really good opponent uh that's got to help the confidence so really happy for him and uh and excited to uh see what comes out of this hey it's like an i belong almost you know like, like some guys need to – I'm not saying that, you know,

he's had a terrible start or whatever, but that moment of like I belong here just changes the way you operate in meeting rooms, I think, like meals. Even at home, I think it's like a whole different mindset. Can't wait to see what he does next. Ty, your question for Aaron. Aaron, a little two-parter here. First, how's the body feeling after you had that just fucking massive block late in the game to kind of spring aaron jones you know for a nice little game there i mean without that block who knows you know what we might be talking about a five ten yard loss you

know you guys were looking at punting but instead you know we're moving the chains and and just you're putting your body on the line which we love to see and also was could you feel in the locker room but kind of like just like a collective weight off everyone's shoulders? Do you even get really time to enjoy it or not really because you guys' back's still kind of against the wall and you have to turn around and prepare for a game on Thursday already? Yeah, the body feels pretty good. That was, you know, a little bit of redemption for me.

I've had a couple block attempts this year that haven't gone as well as I would have liked. a little bit of redemption for me. I've had a couple block attempts this year that haven't gone as well as I would have liked. So to be able to stalemate a defender running close to full speed at me felt like a win. And, you know, it did allow Jonesy to get outside, which also allowed him to get face-masked,

which got us half a distance to the goal line. So a potential, you know, zero- yard gain turned into a positive gain for us. And I feel good about that. Because I really didn't, I wasn't on the losing end of that, which feels good. When it comes to the team, I felt like Christian Watson, you know, his performance kind of took that 800-pound gorilla off his back probably. For our team, it's been a rough six weeks.

It's been a really tough stretch. Bad ball since London. So I think we all kind of reset maybe after Detroit, that being a real low point for us and hopefully rock bottom. And I think we played a little bit more free. Now, there were times in that game where I don't know if people thought we were going to win that game. 28-14 in the fourth, but stuck with it.

We made some plays when we had to in a fourth down and then put together a really nice draft to tie it. Then obviously had a chance at interregulation when it went a certain way and then had a good drive in overtime. Foxy, rock bottom there. Sorry about it. Then obviously you had a chance at interregulation when it went a certain way and then had a good drive at all times. Foxy rock bottom there. Sorry about it. AJ, your question for Aaron. What was it like to actually, like, I love that you guys got to enjoy a win.

Like I said, I texted Pat when the Tampa Bay won early in Germany. Like they were so, like Tom was pumped. They won a game. Like, good, you should be excited when you win. But a lot of times when all you do is win, people just keep moving on to the next one and don't really enjoy it i was glad you had to enjoy it what was that locker room like you get to see a lot of young guys i would assume in a little different light than the last five six weeks well sure it's been a tough stretch you know we get we're all human we've been dealing with a lot of frustration and obviously there's

i'm sure there's been a ton of criticism outside the locker room and some guys probably read that shit and take it to heart maybe more than other guys. It's nice to quiet that down a little bit, I'm sure. For us, it's just a confidence builder that we're not out of this thing. This thing is not over. We're not scheduling our off-season plans yet. We're still in this thing. Anybody can beat

anybody. You saw last night, the Commanders beat the Eagles in Philly. We've got a short week now against another good opponent, but we've got it at home. National TV, primetime. We've got a great opportunity to take another step in the right direction. The NFC is pretty wide open, I'd say.

We've just got to get ourselves back in the conversation. Sunday night was the first step in the right direction, but we're going to enjoy it, too. Winning is fucking hard in this league. We're not going to act like we've been there every single time in this weird stoicism mindset.

This is the human experience. We're going to enjoy the heck out of it. I know I did. I had a healthy pour of scotch and a cigar, and I had a nice little night. Did you? What type of scotch was it again?

Let's see. I went with a little Japanese. What? And I also did a little Balbini, the 21. What? Teeny? That's awesome to hear, man. I'm happy to hear you have a good time.

You know, you guys, especially the last couple years that we've been doing Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, you just win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win. That six-week run, you know, kind of puts things in perspective. I'm happy to hear that you guys celebrated it. At the end of the game, there was a moment where I think you were caught on camera saying, LaFleur, good fucking call, I think is what you said. And then in the press conference afterwards, you talked about the play calls on that particular drive and your thoughts on it.

Have you talked to LaFleur? LaFleur addressed it, said that was on him. It was a little different situation. But when those things happen on the sideline, what is it like the day after with LaFleur, and what is your relationship like today? I haven't talked to him, so I have no idea if he's being an angry elf right now or if he's in a good mood.

Matty and I talk all the time. Last week, we had a really cool moment, a conversation back and forth, and there was a lot of love and gratitude shared. That kind of set the perspective for the week, I think. And then, yeah, I was pissed about the calls. I answered honestly. He was pissed about them, too. He actually followed me after my press conference and

he had been watching. He had seen what I'd said and he made a little barb as I was walking out of that green room about it. We had a couple of laughs and then I told him how much it meant to me, a conversation from Friday, and we hugged it out, and that was that. I think that type of emotion, though, that you've shown continues to show everybody like,

hey, this guy is incredibly invested. There was a lot of conversation about how long will Aaron Rodgers play football? Does Aaron Rodgers care about football anymore? That Dallas Cowboys game felt like it was bigger. Did it feel like it was bigger because McCarthy was coming back in there? Six-game losing streak, obviously, but was there a vibe around Lambeau because Big Mike was back there, primetime game? Did it feel like a must-have-it game for you guys,

and is that how you treated it? Well, first of all, it was a five-game losing streak. Oh, sorry about that. But we had to deal with that for that extra week. I guess that's why I said long six weeks. Oh, shit, the bye all, it was a five-game losing streak. Oh, sorry about that. But we had to deal with that for that extra week. That's why I said the long six weeks. Oh, shit, the bye week, yeah. It wasn't about Mike coming back or Joe coming back or any of those guys coming back.

It was about wanting to still have meaningful football games in November and December. And the only way to do that was to win against a good opponent Sunday afternoon game. So I've, you know, myself and the other Aaron, we've had some good games over the years against the Dallas Cowboys. And I expected him to play well, expected personally to play well, and knew if we could make enough plays, we had a chance to hang around and to beat them. Obviously, third quarter was a couple things went against us, but we played a near flawless fourth quarter and then had a great drive to finish that thing off.

Our defense obviously came up with a couple big stops in the fourth and obviously in overtime up or down. Titans on Thursday. Anytime a team is coached by Vrabel, you actually said it earlier in the year when we were mocking overreaction and I said, the Titans are dead. And that got clipped to me saying that. And then you cut a promo. Is Vrabel still the football coach of the Titans yet? Then they're not fucking dead or whatever. I got buried from it.

But, you know, nonetheless, you cut a promo for Vrabel. Their defense is always going to be sound. Their defense is always going to be solid. Their team has the identity of Vrabel, which is just, you know, super tough Ohio. Not as tough as Luke Fickle, what I'm learning. They go to Cincinnati, but super tough Ohio guy. What are you looking forward to preparing against here on Thursday night? And what did you learn about the Packers offense,

your offense on Sunday that maybe you can carry on for the rest of the year? We have the potential to score 30 points in the game. That's what we learned. Hell yeah. We finally got 30. Real good defense. They're leading in third down percentage. They got 29 sacks on defense.

They got a bunch of takeaways. They're top 10 in red zone defense. They got studs at every level. Front line, linebackers, back end. Play really well together. Mike's a great coach so I'm looking forward

to seeing him, I always appreciate our conversations that we have throughout the year I always enjoy talking to him about ball or about ripping eaters or whatever it might be but I always have a ton of respect for Mike,

and his teams are always ready to play. And so we're expecting a tough four-quarter game, and we like our chances. We're rolling with as much momentum as we can after one win, and hopefully we've exercised some of those energetic demons. And we can follow up Sunday with another good performance Thursday. Exercise the demons. Sorry about that, AJ.

Are you good? How do you like this Thursday night, this quick turnaround? You're playing Sunday, now Thursday. You win. It's a great, like, long weekend most likely. Is your body able to handle this at your age yeah you're old uh you don't like it's a tuesday my body's a little sore for sure but we're just gonna walk

through today so i'll be fine i need that uh you know need to get a rub down or something to feel a little bit better maybe later on. So, you know, hopefully be ready to go by Thursday. A lot of guys give massages to make their body feel better. That is obviously what Aaron was talking about. I'm excited to hear that. Can't wait to watch you on Thursday. Thank you for making the time in the middle of a busy Tuesday here with Thursday Night Football around the corner.

Congrats on the win. And I know we won't do a book club book this week, but I want to let you know I've started on one from last week. If you could see here. The Colory book. You got it. The only thing I've colored is Keanu Reeves' belts have all been colored black because this guy is a black belt, obviously.

You know what I mean? I've gone through the entire thing and really, really, yep, even there. Yep. Nice. I'm going to have to send maybe a Chuck Norris one next. Well, you know, Keanu Reeves is my Chuck Norris. You like Steven Seagal, too, or no? Are you into all of them?

Yeah. Under Siege and Hard to Kill are two bangers. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Got to ride back. So quick. All right. Good luck on Thursday.

We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, the back-to-back MVP, Aaron Rodgers. There it is. Classy. To dive deep into the bowels of football, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for In the Trenches with A.Q. Shipley. Hell yeah! Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. We got a good week this week.

We got, AJ, we got some misdirection, fooling some linebackers' eyes. We got some counters. We got even a little gadget this week, huh? A little creativity. A little creativity. Inspector Gadget. Let's get started with the Houston Texans, huh? We'll save that for later when the creative gadget comes.

Yeah, for sure. Creative gadget. AJ, were you in with us? Were we a team or not? Yeah, I was there. I was in. What did it sound like? I think they muted my mic.

Don't be an asshole. Do it again. You suck. Da-da-da-da-da. Da-da-da-da-da. Gadget. Da-da-da-da-da-da. We see you.

We see you. Can't wait, AQ. I can't wait to see this play. And there's Gadget. It's coming. Holy smokes. Smokes. Yeah, that's all you did while the rest of the team was.

Gadget's only coming if you don't sing it. This is disgusting. Go ahead. Perfect. Let's start with Tunsell having a phenomenal year. One of the best left tackles in the game. Obviously, they make a trade a couple years ago to get him stud. But here, they're going to run a counter trade.

You can also call this tag. Why do we call it tag? Tackle and guard. See how fucking creative we get as offensive line coaches? We're going to pull. Everybody else is going to block back. We got a six box, six people in the box, which allows them to make an angle call or a down call and get everybody back.

Tight end is going to go back to this guy. Down, down, down, pull, pull. Don't have to worry about him because we got a fucking stud that's going to run the ball, or maybe not. Hand it off. Hold his eyes. Get the kick out here. Get Tunsellil around you guys see where this is going oh my oh yeah tracks and look he makes a cut here which is unbelievable and he's out the gate oh wow what do we have here? Tight end blocking. Oh! Big gaping holes.

Great point, AJ. Great block by the tight end at the second level. That's old buddy from the Cowboys. Now he's in the Giants starting, right? Yeah. Jalen Smith. Yeah, exactly. Jalen Smith.

Don't forget his strikers. Good job on the tight end. Stays connected. Then we get a one-on-one with the safety. This guy's got unbelievable vision. He could have took it there. He could have bounced it. He could have went back there. He makes it. He's on his own with the safety this guy's got unbelievable vision he could have took it there he could have bounced it he could have went back there he makes it he's on

his own with the safety and makes another move at the next level awesome stuff though we get it i mean this is a great blocking scheme hey this guy's a good player huh stud we love the way he runs dog yeah i love it love the way damian pierce is running the ball this year he's gonna be a stud would you respect davis mills athleticism because i would you would that's why that's why i brought it up that's why i made a big point you know why I made a big point. He's got a lot of freakish stuff when he pulls it on the outside. In that neck. We get him respecting it.

But that's the thing. All you got to do is just show it. You just got to show it. Even if it's just one time, they got to respect it. What a play. And then he's out running. Wow. Texans not as terrible as it may seem. This is what you're saying. I think they got some stuff there.

I just don't think the quarterback is elite. I don't think he's bad. I just don't think he's elite. And it's a quarterback-driven league. You need elite guys to run, to make a run to the playoffs. But here we go. Check this out. We love this.

Let me set the scene with this first. Please do. Hey, let's set the scene. Foxy, we made Check this out. We love this. Let me set the scene with this first. Please do. Hey, let's set the scene. Foxy, we made it this week. Let's go, finally. Let's go. All right, so we talk about this play a lot. The bob or the weak iso.

We're going to start both backs weak. Gets his eyes, gets his eyes. We're going to send the fullback to him. Tailback's going to start weak as well. Like we're running, we're selling it, right? We're selling weak ISO. He is going to make one step. Again, we're going to draw eyes. I love these misdirection plays. Everybody else is running, we call it a man play, to the tight end wing side over here. They're going to get the double team to him. They don't even need to block him because the weak iso is going to get his eyes and send. Watch what it does in the influence of these

backers. And then we're getting pulling guards both around the corner for him and number nine on the safety. This is unbelievable. I love this play. As soon as I saw this, I was like, this got to get in. Ooh, watch this. This guy's downhill. He's down. Wait until you see this. It just engulfs him. He's going to be over here by this hash by the time this thing gets going. Look at that. They think it's full ISO. Now we're pulling both guards around for him and him. Second puller, which is the backside guard, doesn't even need to block him. He just basically gets a little sprint into the end zone.

Swift with a huge hole. Holy shit. Walk it in. Holy shit. Walk it in. Holy shit. Without skip on the floor. Shout out to Paul. Is that hole big enough? Yeah.

Yeah, I'd say. What do you got, a semi-truck? Yeah. Fit that big gaping hole. I think it's awesome that we need to spotlight just the incredibly quick feet of old Cousy right here. I agree. To sell going to the right. Guess what?

Boom. Boom. Fucking jab step. How good is that? Almost stepped on this guy's foot. How good is that? You tell me. So good.

That's how good it is. Boom. So good. Bears had no shot stopping that thing. You got no chance. And that was a huge play. I mean, that was, I think, Fox, you correct me if I'm wrong, I think that tied the game up.

Yes, sir. There it is. Shout out to Chicago's fans for the Lions needing a silent count. It's really good stuff, though, man, really good. Bears fans will be loud. Yeah, they'll get after it. Bless you. Thank you.

God bless your soul. All right, let me set the scene on this one, too. Please do. We're down in Miami. It's hot. Holy hell, remember a couple weeks ago somebody put a grill under a too. Please do. We're down in Miami. It's hot. Holy hell. Remember a couple weeks ago, somebody put a grill under her car. Let's not do that anymore.

That's right. That's right. Be careful. We think this guy's a good football player? Great football player. Yeah, I'd say. Alien. You guys can't see him right here. This is Trent Shurfield, who, if you guys remember correctly,

had a big-time touchdown later in the game. He did. A little bit of that. Back in the end zone, drags his feet. Why is that? Because Christian McCaffrey, again, not on this team, new team, same system, right? Said, best wide receiver blocking he's ever seen. It also filters into this scheme.

So, hey, here's what we're going to do. We're going to get a crack toss. Or, that's what they're trying to give you the illusion of. Tight split. He's staring right at him. See it? Hey, we're going to get the crack. We are going to get the crack, but here's the different thing. We're going to go gun, put the back on the other side. A lot of times when you run the crack toss, you put the back over here. You get the toss. If that happens, fast flow on the linebackers. That's why we got to get the puller, but check it out. That's why we've got to get the puller.

But check it out. We're going to get the handoff behind. Slow to go. Slow to go. Allows him to slip and get here. Allows him to slip and get here. He's really going for him, but they get a great angle on him, so check it out. He sees his buddy's blocking him.

Fuck it. Let's keep rolling. Let's get another block. We'll replace one with another. Having an unbelievable year. Taron Armstead gets up, gets this whole thing started. And then everybody else on the backside boom we're gonna get him up got him going fuck it okay you got him now let's go get a safety good block on the outside great crack by surefield this is their version of a crack toss without actually running the toss smart mcdaniel see he's a genius mike

mcdaniel's doing a phenomenal job. I texted this to Pat, I think. I think this is the best offense in the NFL right now. What they're doing, they are rolling. I could have done this entire segment on the Miami Dolphins run game from this game alone. Just from the creativity, the details, the execution, or just all of it? All of it. You just hit it all. Details, what they're doing.

They're setting the tight end on one side. They're getting to plays different ways than everybody else is getting to them. Here's a prime example right here. How big is it for them to add Jeff Wilson, who already knows the 49ers system? I think that's a great point. This is Mostert. They also had an unbelievable game with Jeff Wilson. I think he had over 100 and a couple touchdowns. This is exactly what he envisioned when he took this job with this offense.

Chase Edmonds, great player. Anybody would love to have him on their team. Just doesn't know this system in and out. Now they get two guys who came from this system, know it in and out, and they're able to do everything they want to do. McDaniel has thought of all these plays whenever he was back assistant coach, you think, and now he's just unleashing all of them and they all just so happen to be working?

Or is there misses too, you think? Here's the evolution, and this is kind of the way I see this evolution as I've studied these guys from way back. Mike Shanahan was the originator, right? And then it goes to Gary Kubiak. It goes from there. Then it goes from there to Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan took this system and added a whole other level to it.

McVay also. Now Mike McDaniel's doing the same thing down there and adding another level, I think, to a lot of the things they're doing. Wow. This thing has evolved, huh? Just the action. AQ, just the action. Like you said, instead of talk, correct, but he's turning his back to the defense.

I know this play is tough because it's a high snap. He has to do it right away. But Tua does a good job. You can play fake off of this. And when he turns his back to the defense, they may have to pause an extra second to make sure he doesn't keep this thing exactly and that's why i think it allows them to go through as opposed to pull and that's i think part of the whole play design mcdaniel changes stuff up every week so they'll show that same look and then next week do something different

off it absolutely and that's the whole cool that's the coolest thing about this offense and what sam fran's doing i've talked a bunch about it. Everything looks the same. The way they set up their formations, the way they do it, the way the next opponent is going to see this. They're going to see this and they're going to think, okay, they can do this, this, this out of this. And then guess what? There's a whole new arsenal that comes out of this stuff. What they're able to do with making everything look the same from a week-to-week basis is awesome. Yeah, because technically he could come out here and run the play action. And then they could have a drag from over there. Pull high-low.

Oh, you're talking about like Georgia had. Like that. Ah. Okay. Pin and pull, point man, instead of blocking and cracking, actually going out. There it is. Oh.

Oh. Good for them. You know, Texas runs a lot of this type of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, they do. Texas looks very similar. You've got to have a wide out that's willing to crack Miles Garrett, though, and able to do a good enough job. Or just appear that he's type of stuff. Yeah, they do. Texas looks very smart. You've got to have a wide out that's willing to crack Myles Garrett, though, and able to

do a good enough job. Or just appear that he's going to crack. Myles didn't play right into him, but yeah, I feel like even if Myles went and played outside, there's still a gap inside. We were. We made an adjustment here to this because... Yeah, we did.

We'll get to the gadget. We're going to save the gadget for last. Oh, yeah. Creative gadget. We're going to save the gadget for last. Oh, yeah. The creative gadget. It's just hard-ass football here, isn't it? This is. And, again, I like setting the scene today. That's what we're going to do. So we're going to set the scene.

Pay a picture. Derisaw, we've been talking about him all year long. This guy's been mauling people at left tackle. Don't got to worry about him. All we're going to do here is run an inside zone, really a mid zone, because they're going to kind of come right through this gap right here. Derisaw with the kickout block. Check out this single block.

AJ, wait until you see this single block and the way he hits the hip, knocks him across the center, climbs to Milano, stud. The big key to this, Milano moves over pre-snap because this guy now becomes the new B-gap player. And when that happens, Justin Jefferson, you've got to love it, right? One of the best receivers in football. You've got to love when he comes in. Probably the best.

Right? Now you watch him come in and do the dirty work. These guys are going to appreciate the hell out of watching him come in, get the crack block here. Now, wait until you see this, because we talked about this earlier. You talked about this. Hold up right there. You just saw it.

Let's rewind it just a tad. Okay? You talked about it earlier, about one step here, one step there. Really sets this thing off. He's going to make this out cut. When he makes the out cut here off of the crack block, he's going to take one step forward because he thinks he's bouncing to the outside. Boom, right there.

That was it. Now, had he not done that and makes the play right there, maybe this entire outcome of this game changes. But it's always five plays a game. He makes that little move right there up because of the out cut. And then once he makes the out cut, boom, the quick up cut. He already put himself out of position. And you are not catching him.

Especially playing against his brother's team with a family in his team. That's right. Jeez. And, AQ, isn't that a design? They want to block the safety, make that corner tackle. That's exactly it. We call that a push crack, and it's really big, especially to the single receiver side.

It's really most dangerous man. If that safety stays deep, now maybe we block most dangerous man. But because that safety starts to roll down, push, crack, that's where you get this, make him make the tackle. They don't want to tackle. They're there to cover. Bro, how about – Great right that's jefferson justin jefferson throws cuz jeez hey it's really good and then we got carnage on the back side of that it was awesome hell yeah to

your point about changing the game too i think out if you take this out i think he had like 13 carries for 40 yards like they did a good job on him all day and then there you go oh he needs one let's rewind it one more time i want to kind of focus on this single block too i don't know if you saw it aj watch this this remind people it's single block because it is center guard front side anything on front side we're gonna in the zone scheme we're gonna go single double if there was a tight end here it'd be tackle tight end that'd be a triple center guard single what about what about on this side over here what about these two so now on the back side we go scoop slip and then there's some form of a combo you can call it there's all kind of different names you can call it on the back side but universal terms are pretty much either a b c or scoop slip combo and you're saying front side not because where the power is lined up not because

where it's not aware the of where the play is. The play is the design. So the single can switch sides from play to play. Correct. Got it. Are they setting this up with the tight ends on the opposite side of where they're running so they can get Von Miller kind of away from the corner? No, not necessarily, because you could do the same thing, like this very easily to the defense.

Now you can run, you know, strong zone to that side or whatever yeah exactly anything to the tight end you just end up running this but the single block knocking him across watch this this is awesome watch him get this hit bam look at that hand right on the hip knocks him across man gets up on milano that's awesome milano's screwed yeah you can't do anything look at that perfect form and then look we got we got Ash Cheek there. Ash Cheek there. There's your big. Oh.

Big. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Got it. Well, kind of a slit there. Like that field turf. Yeah. Slit field turf.

Can't have that. That's disgusting. That's unbelievable. The Vikings have been awesome to watch. They've been rolling. They have been rolling, running the ball. Is this something from Kevin O'Connell to Sean McVay? Is that what this is here?

It's all the same system. It's all the same system. They live and die by the zone. That's kind of that world, right? And they've actually had more success with the fullback this year, and it was interesting to kind of see them go single back here because they have not had as much success. But, man, did they have success on this one.

Fullback C.J. Hamm got a touchdown. Yes, he did. Plus 1,500. Uh-oh. Da-na-na-na-na. Creative gadget. Da-na-na-na-na. Da-da.

A.J. I did it. Yes, guy. Wait a minute. No, you didn't. Oh, yeah. Hey, what do you need me to do on big name kickoff? Yeah.

You want me to tackle somebody? Okay. You want me to do whatever? I want to. What's your deal, dude? Come on, bro. There's not a lot of this in the NFL anymore, is there? Out on AJ. Right now? Wet blanket. For good.

No, not for good. For good. He fucked you. He's one of our guys. This guy's one of our guys. He was. Thank you. I want to be a wet blanket. Alright, Mark. For good. He fucked himself. He's one of our guys. This guy's one of our guys. I want to be a wet blanket. He was. Thank you. I want to be a wet blanket. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, Mark. That's what you need. We appreciate you, AJ, but we don't like that you didn't buy into that.

Da-na-na-na-na. Creative. Da-na-na-na-na. Da-na-na-na-na. Watch this shit, dude. Hey, are we ready for this? AJ, what do we got here? We got a receiver in the backfield.

Oh! We got a bunch over here. What do we got here? A wide a receiver in the backfield. Oh! We got a bunch over here. What do we got here? A wide receiver. Running back. Running back. Shit! Exchanging positions.

Now, this gets really awesome. Let it run a little bit. Holy shit. Oh! Oh! Oh! Holy shit. Alert, alert.

Alert, alert. Pause it. Now, let me set it up. Guard. Flat pull. Tight end. second puller. We've talked about this play all year long. This is the counter with the tight end as the second wrapper going to the second level.

Check it out. We're going to hand this ball off to Dak and then a double handoff back to Tony Pollard. Damn. Wow. And then look who we got out. Check this out. C.D. C.D. Quarter who we got out. Check this out. CD. CD.

CD, quarterback and blocker. He's like Aaron Rodgers. You end up stealing a blocker frontside with this play. This play would have went out the house. Defensive end makes a hell of a play right here, 55. He's the first puller, gets it. Boom. If we get this thing secured on the log block,

why do we call it a log block? Because he comes flat down the line. He tries to steal him back inside. Does a phenomenal job playing back over the top, making the play, or else this thing's out the gate. But how cool of a scheme is this? I like that type of creativity. Yeah.

Big Mike McCarthy going back to Lambeau. I'm sure I've still got something. All right. Look at the little side shuffle. The shift is so pure. Yeah. Dak Prescott just something. All right. Look at the little side shuffle. The shift is so pure. Yeah. Dak Prescott just all in unison. Look at that.

I mean. A little dance move. They're on a string, aren't they? It's phenomenal, right? Get phenomenal deuce block right here. Get back blocks kind of everywhere else. Get a little seal block on the backside by the left tackle. O-line does a phenomenal job.

We just need a little more on this first puller. A little bit more, what, effort, grit? Yeah, a little bit more finish right there. A bigger bump, you're saying. A little bit more finish right there. He has them right there and just kind of gets up the field. Has them right there. That's a Todd, if not a...

Great effort play by 55. That's huge. Did they end up scoring a touchdown on this drive? That's a great question. Because they end up kicking a field goal there. That could be a great question. Because they end up kicking a field goal there. That could be a different game. Either they did or Dak threw a red zone pick. I don't remember.

But just think, that's what we've been talking about. That's kind of been the story of the day. Like, if old buddy somehow blocks Cuzz a little bit better. Because if you pause it right before there, Pat, if we rewind this, if we can get this right kind of there. Look, head to the upfield shoulder. We got him. It's over.

All he's got to do is just kind of wheel and get him to go that way. We get him to go that way, we're out the gate. Hard right arm. If he had a hard right arm, right, boom, turn him a little bit, just set a little pick. That's a great play. Great effort play. Great effort play.

That's huge. Matt, the floor's got the boys buzzing. That's right. Yeah, he certainly does. Emotional. Big win. What are you talking about? Oh, yeah, I agree.

I agree. Joe Barry's got those boys buzzing, too. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Okay, let's go to the next one. We've got a couple big bumps here. Hey, I love this.

Big bumps. I love this because we're going to get big Roger Saffold pulling out in space here. And check this out. This guy's 35 years old. Watch him get on his horse. But check this out, too. When you get this guard pulling out in space and he's got a linebacker to block, that linebacker, A.J., tell him, you're coming downhill trying to de-cleat that guard, right?

Before he gets his shoulder. Yeah, before he gets his shoulder turned. Now, check this out. Kendricks, who's one of the better linebackers in the league, and he's a thumper, is going to come down and try and take out Saffold and watch what Saffold does to him. Dang! Oh! Hey, that was a big shot Kendricks gave him.

Gave him a big shot. That's a nasty little collision right there. Yeah. This is one of those ones where neither of them got concussed, so it won't be talked about. This one hurt both these guys. Oh, yeah, but this one, I mean. They both might have been dinged up here.

Yeah. Oh, bam. But that's why I loved it so much because Kendricks, I mean, a lot of times you see those guys flat-footed and you see the big hits, right? Kendricks tried to get them. He tried to get them. Big Saffold, one of the better guards in the league for a long time.

I think he's maybe year 11, year 12 at this point. 35 years old? Yeah. What a finish. I'm 35 years old. Somebody hits me in the jaw like that? Yeah. Dead.

Dead. All right, here we go. All right, let me just kind of do this real quick. So when you're a guard, so if he's that left guard, where's the camera? Get up there, Con. Perfect. So once I go here, and I got a guy right here, which you're going to see in cleveland here

and he starts to loop out you know the pressure's coming from the other side the more you play the quicker you can react boom he loops out now i can come back and what am i looking for ribs we're looking for ribs and this is one of them this is one of the better rib shots i've seen as soon as jordan phillips works out he sees it. Put the brakes on. Target locked. Ed Oliver, top 10 pick. Stud D tackle. This is one of the better ones I've seen all year. Sorry, Ed. Let's let this thing run full speed

first. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Boom! I mean, Cleveland gets him some meat. Ezra. Oh, man.

Thanks for coming, Ed. How good is that? How good is that? Well, not great for Ed, obviously. Not great for Ed. We're obviously big Ed fans around here. You're saying, boy, that bump is a big one. That's a big one.

That's a big one. And he's going to feel that. He's going to know it. And the minute he works across the center's face. Look how he popped his head. Oh, yeah. Look how quickly he popped his head across to the right. Bump it up.

What the hell, boy? Don't you know, bump it up. You've got to bump it up. Don't you know, bump it up. You've got to bump it up. Don't you know, bump it up. You've got to bump it up. Don't you know bump it up. You've got to bump it up. Don't you know bump it up.

You've got to bump it up. Don't you know bump it up. Bump, bump, bump. Got to bump it up. We play that every Saturday, college game day, right before we go live. Perfect. I need it every single week. I mean, I literally, I do this naturally because the beat hits my bones,

and I hope Ed Oliver was able to. Did he get up after this? He got up. He got up. Jeez. Barely. He got up. Cleveland's doing some really nice things, though.

Left guard for the Minnesota Vikings. Cleveland the player, not the team. Exactly. Ezra Cleveland, he's doing a phenomenal job. He's been playing really high level along with Derrissaw, left side of the offensive line. Minnesota Vikings doing a phenomenal job. Brian O'Neal from University of Pittsburgh.

Having a hell of a year as well. Bradbury Center. I mean, they're doing some really, really, really good things. Right guard's playing well as well. I mean, look at his eyes. Look how happy he was. Oh, yes. His heart is a rock.

Been thinking about this all week. Oh, my God. He even, like, gave a little crow hop into that thing. Quick recognition, though. You see it. He knows it right away. Oh, he's seeing it. Hey, Ed, sorry about it.

I hate that you had to be a part of this program, but that's part of the game, and that's In the Trenches with AQ Shipley. Thank you, AQ. Incredible job, pal. We appreciate getting better every single day. It seems like some teams might stink in the record books, but their team has some things that are great on the ground.

So maybe let's keep a little optimism going forward for the strategies that are being implemented for these squads. Thank you, AQ. Thank you, AQ. Always something to build upon. Thank you for all your help, too. I've sent him some homework assignments whenever it's like game day, like TCU and things like that.

He's always come back with big brain. I appreciate the hell out of you, AQ. Super Bowl champion for a reason. Hell yeah. AJ, great show today. We appreciate the hell out of you, except for whenever you Bowl champion for a reason. AJ, great show today. We appreciate the hell out of you, except for whenever you're in a team meeting and you refuse to buy into the team meeting. The talks at table at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. One half

of the hammer. Cowboys, Tony Diggs. Great show today. What time are you going live? About 15 minutes from now? 3.50. 3.50. That'll be great. All the boys in the back. Billy, Dirty, Bruce, Mitt, Foxy, Nick, Zito, CFO Phil. Big thanks to everybody.

Obviously, Aaron Rodgers stopped by today. It was a cool conversation. We can't thank him enough for that. Taylor Heineke was fantastic. Hopefully, he's enjoying those dents. He is. It seemed like he had some plans for the day. I'm happy, and hopefully, he executed that to continue this successful

Monday Night Football journey before he – next week they're going to have to get a – hey, next week? What if the Commanders just keep winning? Have we talked about that yet? They might. That defense is only getting better. What if they just keep winning?

We're going to have to continue to talk about the Commanders, and it's not just put your left hand up. Who are we? The Commanders. Conversation. No, it's like, hey, this team somehow, with a shitstorm all around their football locker room, have been able to rally the troops, keep everybody in,

and then go out and win games. I'm happy for the Commanders. I'm thankful for Taylor Heineke. And I'm thankful to do this show every single day. Now, to wrap this thing up in beautiful fashion, a man who's in a Hall of Fame, Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League Hall of Fame, for his basketball and football abilities,

will showcase both of those things. He will attempt to throw a football into a basketball hoop to get how many people, AJ? Ten. See, there has to be some sort of consequence. It should be eight, AJ. All right, eight. Oh, because the last one he missed, we've got to bump it down?

He's missed ten shots so far. I mean, we can't just, you know what I mean? Like, who are we without any accountability? Now, this is the first attempt, right? Well, we'll say that when you get in there, but now we are figuring out the rules. So it'll be eight winners. There has to be some sort of accountability.

You can't just continue to be the hero after you miss ten shots. You could still be a hero, but not as much as you would have been with the first attempt in the first hour. That's just life. You would expect nothing less. You're a coach. That's right. You're right. Consequences.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. You're right. Make every day feel like a fucking loss. Let's go. No, no, no. Whoa. We would celebrate a win.

Yeah. Yeah. But we just can't celebrate it as much at this point whenever we've lost so much the first couple weeks. There you go. Eight people will win $500 if A.Q. Shipley is able to drop that football, that baby Duke, that beautiful ball,

into that hoop right over there. We will pick the winners by randomly picking somebody that retweets this video, and in reply to this tweet, say something nice to somebody and put your cash tag from Cash App so we can efficiently pay you your $500. Eight winners potentially changing their day. Not only is it a Tuesday in Aaron Rodgers' Tuesday,

but now it's a day that they won $500. Will AQ Shipley do that for the people? We shall see. Connor, anything to say to AQ before he throws the ball? Yeah, get it done, Al. People are not going to be happy if you don't. I saw a lot of tweets. People disappointed with you, AQ.

I think after in the trenches, you're riding high. What an incredible segment of in the trenches today. AJ, your thoughts for AQ before he makes these attempts here? I think he makes this first one. He doesn't need the other three. Me too. I think this first one's falling. Eight winners of $500.

AQ, you put this ball in the hoop. Let's go ahead and see it, pal. For the good of Joe DiNorio. Oh! It looked good. That was a great line, AQ. Yeah, it looked really good. In his first attempt here, AQ Shipley will try to win eight people $500.

Oh, geez. I like this angle. Duck Dynasty. All right, in his first attempt, AQ will try to get eight way up. Oh! Oh, man. It looks so good. Are you trying to make it?

I'm trying here. Come on. Like, purposeful throws. Wake up, Al. He's on. He's on. Just swung it for the area. Like, try to make it in the hoop.

Come on. Do it for Jordan Aro. He's repped with a purpose. That's what I'm saying, dude. You're just swung it. There he is. There we go. Chuck actually made it from shotgun.

In his first attempt here, A.Q. Shipley will try to win $500 for eight random people right in front of Joe DiNardo. Oh! Heartbreak scene. Joe DiNardo said, oh, you don't honor me? That's what Joe did. Joe had to Doppler go. Just right at the very end. He called the wind gust. Hey, great attempt, though. Great job. Oh, Doppler go. Just right at the very end. He called the wind gust.

Hey, great attempt, though. Great job. Oh, here we go. Joe and Jay. You fucked up, AQ. It's as simple as that. And guess what? When I get back to fight camp, I'm going to fuck you up, too.

All right, that's Tuesday. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Joe Nardo. Thank you, AQ. Thank you, Aaron Rodgers. Thank you, Taylor Heineke. Thank you, AJ Hawk. Thank you, Boston Connor, Ty Schmidt,

and everybody in the back. You are the best. Thank you for allowing us to do this for a living. We are eternally grateful. We didn't win anything today for the people because we had some tough wind gusts. Tough throws. It's not an easy shot, but it's still a good time to say something nice to somebody

because the world is filled with people being assholes. Saying something nice to somebody is a nice way to remind them, hey, you're alive. You look good. Something's great. Go ahead and do that and we'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye.