The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 801 - Shams Charania, US Soccer Legend Tony Meola, Everything DB LIVE From The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the important news stories around the NFL including Aaron Rodgers potentially getting traded?! Mike White’s love from his teammates in the locker room, and everything else that we need to know as we head into week 13 of the NFL season. Joining the progrum to update us on everything we need to know about the NBA and everything pertaining to LeBron, Kyrie, KD, James Harden, and all the big news stories is NBA Insider for The Athletic, Stadium, and FanDuelTV is friend of the show, Shams Charania (21:04-45:30). Next, US Soccer Legend, Goalie on the 1990, 1994, and 2002 World Cup Teams, SiriusXM soccer insider, Tony Meola joins the show to chat about the United States’ performance so far in the World Cup, if they have a chance to beat Netherlands in the knockout stage, and why he doesn’t feel bad for Cristiano Ronaldo (54:41-1:09:41). Later, 9 year NFL veteran at Defensive Back, host of the Man-To-Man podcast, NFL Matchup Show, and friend of the progrum, Darius Butler breaks down all the best and worst DB plays of the week in his Everything DB segment (1:51:24-2:24:17). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Vandal Thunderdome, on this winter Wednesday, November 30th, 2022. This sports show starts right now! Football! No, his mic is off. Can you hear us in the back? No. Okay. Oh, no. No. Can we have a sound question mark? Can you zoom in on this? Can somebody comment?

Can somebody read the comments to see if there's any sound going out as opposed to just where we are? Oh, what was that? I think it sounds like it's just your microphone that D-Bud has turned it off. Oh, our mics are good. D-Bud. Yeah, you. Oh, our mics are good. D-Bud. Yeah, you guys are good. Oh, okay. Okay, so Pat doesn't have sound right now.

No. Zito's working on it. We have no idea what happened. Hello, beautiful people. It is Winter Wednesday, November 30th 30th 2022 it is great having you here the toxic table looks even better than it normally looks hell yeah my boss of corner how you doing today pal so good so good how are you d-butt were you talking to your mic to see if yours is working d-butt is not working my ear things aren't working. I can't hear anything. Can you hear? I can, but I don't know if that's because you're standing right next to me.

My ear things are working now. Mic check, mic check. D-Bud's back. Okay. Hello? Hey! There we go. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Obviously, this microphone worked just yesterday. It's not working now. Something had to have happened. I'm sure there was some pre-show routine that should have taken place that would have found out that was going to happen. But if you do that, you miss out on all the other things that are potentially happening before the show starts. So I can't thank you enough for joining us

on this winter Wednesday, November 30th, 2022. Week 13 starts tomorrow in a huge matchup between the Bills and the Pats on Amazon Prime. Cannot wait to dive into that. There's also a shit ton of other NFL news happening

and updates happening on injuries and maybe where Odell Beckham Jr. will be going. We'll cover that and more on this glorious day. We have Sham Sharania joining us in about 15 minutes. Obviously, he works for The Athletic, The Stadium, and FanDuel TV. Sham Sharania, the insider for the Association of the NBA, who called like 11 travels last night in the Golden State-Dallas game. They called Steph Curry for a travel for a game-winning shot.

Interesting. Weird. That never happens. They don't do that. Whose league is this? What's the deal, Sham? Just go ahead and tell us about that. Also, is Bronco in trading?

Oh. What's going on in Brooklyn? Are they still a team? This is like the monthly checkup with Sean Sharanya to learn what's happening in the NBA since we've been watching the NFL. We'll also be joined by Tiny Miola. What? That's right.

The original Captain America. The goalie for the 1996, I believe, United States soccer team. He was an absolute stallion in the net, obviously. Paisano, who did his thing. I met him when I was, I guess, 9 or 10 years old at a con soccer camp hosted by Tony Miola. Got to kick a penalty against him. There was a line of kids about my age. They were all back there, and everybody was kind of just soft-footing around there.

I brought the hammer. I scored on Tony Miola as a 10-year-old. I'm sure he remembers that. I'm sure that is a nightmare that he has to deal with. But whenever he starts talking about soccer, we need to listen. That's right. Tony Miola's been there, been in the World Cup, been in the Olympics, done the whole thing. The United States have advanced to the round of 16 because of Christian Polithic,

who scored a goal yesterday against Iran. And the Iran players are now worried about going home, I guess, because of what potentially happened not only at the World Cup, but during their national anthem when they didn't sing, allegedly, is what happened. Who knows? That's happening in 2022. Let's remember that when we start thinking about where we are as a society, where we hope to get to at some point. So we'll talk to Tony Miola. Darius Butler is here live in studio.

D-Butt, thanks for letting me know that the microphone was back working on this side of the stage. Yep. And also, thank you for the everything DB you're going to do today. I'm sure it's going to be fantastic. It's going to be fun. Got a lot of good plays since past week. Do you think that what Aaron said about blankenship yesterday was warranted?

Do you think there are some times where maybe the offense fucks up and defense steals a pick, and maybe there's too much credit given to the defensive side of the ball? Or do you think there's never any credit given to anybody on DB? So yesterday's just kind of status quo, and what was it about Blankenship? Kind of status quo. Kind of status quo. Blankenship made a great play, in my opinion.

Could have done something differently with the tight end. Could have came a little flatter, but it was a great play out of the post. I think that's safety. I think Blankenship makes the play either way. Secondary has been playing well this year, I feel like, across the board. That's why the offenses haven't been as great, and the games have been kind of boring. I think secondary play has a big part of that, right? Yes.

Some of the defenses, some of the secondaries. Oh, some of them are trash. Some of them are trash. The loser started back there. A guy steps in, and on that play, he actually had to change responsibilities because of the motion and just been on the right page. That's obviously showing that guys are getting coached up right, too.

Okay. Well, I can't wait to hear what everything DB has in store for us today of Week 12 NFL season looking into Week 13. The talk's at the tables here at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. How you boys doing? Good. Pretty good. Not too bad. How you doing?? Good. Pretty good. Not too bad.

How are you doing? Week 13. I know. Unbelievable. Every time I say the date, because, you know, on the sheet that Conner puts together every single day, you know, it's kind of a collection of all the thoughts of everybody in the group text about what the most important subjects are. At the top, it always has the date, you know, which is like a good title right up there

at the top. It always has the date. I remember looking down there. It was like a November 12th or something like that. And going like, holy fuck. The day is gone. Bro, November 30th? December is tomorrow.

It's Christmas. Tomorrow is going to say December. Christmas tomorrow? It's post-Thanksgiving right now. Wow. I mean, it is Christmas season. We are fully in. Watched Home Alone last night.

Ooh, Lost in New York? Yeah, two. Sorry, Home Alone 2 last night. Fell asleep before the Sticky Finger Bandits. Okay. Was going to take a photo of that and post it because of what happened yesterday. Sure, right. One of my most proud moments.

Honestly, there are limited times where I go, Brain, what a good job there. As Aaron's talking about, you know, learning about being tough from the guy that played football before him, Brett Favre at Green Bay, my brain literally was like, we're in holiday season. Brett Favre, what did he do? He didn't just steal from the poor. Yeah, he did that.

Oh, he is the actual Sticky Finger Bandits. Yep, that's right. From Home Alone 2 in New York. So then I mentioned that to Aaron. I think it took a couple seconds for everything to settle in. And then there was a Jesus. Yeah, I was just waiting. My brain was like so happy.

I was so pumped. I'm like, good for you, man. Way to put that together. And we have to make sure that is mentioned every time that man's mentioned. Have to. Because that is a big deal that that happened. Terrible. That's a big deal.

Now, obviously, Brett Favre of Enterprises is alleging that this is all wrong. That's right. And I can't wait to hear BFE drop BFE. Brett Favre Enterprises. I can't wait for Bumfuck Egypt to drop Brett Favre Enterprises' side of the story, and we will judge it accordingly. Right. But for the information that we have currently,

every time his name gets brought up, we have to mention. Hands are tied. Have to do it. He tied the hands of the poor people and took money right out of their pockets that's right we have to talk about that even though football player incredibly tough football player football player good football player did a lot of things certainly in the middle of stealing from poor people in mississippi right now absolutely have to chat about that but uh ty your take on aaron rogers saying he's going to play because i saw a lot of people in chicago go i'm happy he's playing you know i'm happy he's

playing bad chicago wants to beat aaron they would like to have aaron come to chicago and have a bad night i saw a lot of that reaction from bears fans last night your thoughts on that your thoughts on aaron's appearance yesterday knowledge you got 24 hours or 18 hours to basically digest it yeah i think that makes sense for bears fans because rogers is i think like 24 and 5 against him in his career so like yeah you know if if everyone's talking about him potentially leaving like you definitely want to beat that guy one more time before he maybe isn't the packers quarterback anymore but i mean it is what it is i i don't why wouldn't he play you know like everything he was saying like he's not the kind of guy who you know if he's bang up, he gave us that great thing about, you know,

even if you're 70% healthy and you think you can go out there and you give your team the best chance to win, like he's going to play. That's who he is. That's in his DNA. And then we'll see what happens after the Bears game, you know, if they go into the bye week and then decide like, hey, you're banged up. But, again, as long as they're not eliminated, like he's going be playing it's just as simple as that you're paying the guy over 50 million dollars like yeah you want to see what jordan love can do but if they're not officially

eliminated yet you're not benching him i don't want him to be benched i'm sure some packers fans do but even in that eagles game like we were still seeing prime time rodgers on a couple of those throws he still got it in there so i'm i fully expect the Packers to beat the shit out of the Bears. But, you know, who knows with the way this season's gone. And the Packers, I don't think you have shown that they should do that to any team. But I do like the fact that that is just a matter of fact in the Packers' land. It's like, yeah, the Chicago Bears, they might be electrifying to watch with Justin Fields as a quarterback, and they might be different than what they were in the past.

You're still the Bears, though. Exactly. Is Aaron Rodgers still the quarterback? It turns out, as of yesterday, he is. You guys are done. That's just how Packers fans feel, I feel like. This is a different Bears team, though. For sure.

Oh, yeah. This is a different Bears team. If Justin. If he plays. I think he is playing, though, right? Is he? Is he? I would assume so.

He didn't play last week. Yeah, but I think it was understood that he's going to be back for this. I think that is why. At least what I heard, he said, yes, I'm in. I'm playing the Packers. But you got the shoulder. Obviously, you've been doing a lot of his damage on the ground. Heavy legs.

Probably going to, you know. We don't know if he has heavy legs. Probably going to limit that one a little bit. They were resting him in the middle of practice as a 24-year-old, which is surprising. Aaron talked about the breathing and how it goes into his meditation and yoga and everything he did. He started doing it like 10 years ago and how

it has helped him because I think you asked no, who asked him? Tony? Tony asked him about Justin Fields doing the breathing thing and he said it has helped him. So we kind of brought that into Aaron's conversation about it all and because he's a big breathing

he actually did a book, Healing I think this book here sorry I just wanted to get the dumb book out of the way Alchemist, oh it's called Healing, I thought it was called Breathing no it's called Healing but I think this one's like all about breathing I think, I think this is a big breathing book right, isn't that what it is so that was a good tie together by the host of hammer tone digs bringing that whole in the way he chatted about it was like yeah my offseason

stuff as well goes into it it's not just like breathing for when i'm in games this justin fields thing is so fascinating because massive game this weekend let's hope he he plays. And remember, Aaron and he have chatted numerous times. And who knows if he appreciates and respects Aaron. I would assume he does because it feels like every single player that plays in the NFL has respect for Aaron Rodgers as opposed to the people that are in the media. It's the complete opposite. He said, hey, keep this rivalry special. Like Bears, Packers, keep this a thing.

This doesn't happen in the NFL really. It seems like there's a lot of turnover on teams. So half the teams are in and out every single year. So, like, acting like somebody that just got signed a week and a half before that to be like, hey, here's the fucking Bears. We'll lose the Packers. Like, Aaron was telling Justin Fields, like, hey, make this, keep this a thing because it doesn't happen a lot in the NFL, which is real.

Normally, players will start having, like, Tom and Peyton, the Colts and the Patriots, had a having like Tom and Peyton the Colts and the Patriots had a rivalry because Tom and Peyton. Is it a rivalry and will it be a rivalry for the next 20 years? We shall see but it wasn't like the Packers and the Bears that have been a rival since like the fucking beginning of the whole thing. Like we're going to, this is

a rivalry. It's a college like feel so I'm happy to hear that Justin Fields is going to probably play. I mean I guess that's what it sounds like. But even if he is banged up and he's playing it, I like the fact that they're keeping this thing a real thing when both teams aren't really in any real conversations for anything this year, which is vastly different. Yeah, for sure.

And, I mean, maybe part of it, too, is he looks at what Jalen Hurts did against the fucking Packers on Sunday night. It's like, no, yeah, I'm playing against these guys. I'll rush for 200 yards against the Packers. I don't need either shoulder. Yeah, exactly. He really doesn't. We're worried about this?

No, no, no. I got these. You see my legs? Put them next to Jalen Hurts. Similar size. We have similar workouts, similar running styles. Oh, yeah. Similar playing styles.

Let's just do what they did, and then we don't even really have to worry about throwing the ball much at all, unless we just want to. Like, at the end, if we just want to fuck around, we can do that. But let's talk about Aaron they did and then we don't even really have to worry about throwing the ball much at all unless we just want to like at the end if we just want to fuck around we can do that but let's talk about uh aaron rogers a little bit and let's talk about the packers because the future seemingly bright if you listen to one db who's very good at what he does uh the big sleigh podcast uh hosted by darius sleigh corner of the philadelphia eagles talked about what he saw sunday night against the packers and his thoughts on the future of the Philadelphia Eagles, talked about what he saw Sunday night against the Packers and his thoughts on the future of the Packers in what I thought was an incredibly put-together quote,

and I'm excited to get your take on this, Ty Schmidt, after hearing it. As the game is going on, I see that A-Rod was running into the locker. You know, he would have put a word out there saying he'd been playing with a thumb injury to set the Giants game. So I saw him running into the tunnel. I'm saying, what's going on with A-Rod? He must have messed it up. So as a defense, when A-Rod goes out, we feel great.

You know what I'm saying? That's the greatest quarterback ever. So if he goes out, we got to go out here and really get at him. You know, the D-line get a little hungrier because they're like, okay, got a young buck coming in. I can go get out to the quarterback because, you know, A-Rod makes a lot of checks and all the communication at the line of scrimmage. That's hard to stop. So

young buck come in. Actually did a very, very solid job, man. They got a bright, bright future. Like a bright one. Because Buddy was slinging in. Uh-uh.

He low-key looked like A-Rod. Like he's been learning a lot. It should be a blessing for him to be behind a goat and learning like that at a high level. And he's a talented kid as well. Like he's a first-round draft pick. So he got a lot of talent, you know. He's got to wait his time, just like how A-Rod waited his time for Brett Favre. You know, so now he's waiting his time. So he got a lot of talent, you know, and he's got to wait his time, just like how A-Rod waited his time for Brett Barr.

You know, so now he's waiting his time. So what's time going to come? And you can see, like, the gunslinging mentality he has, just like him. Like, with the quick release, the flick, and picking the back leg up, he's copying and pasting him, for sure. Which, that's a great player to be copy and pasting him.

Yeah, I think that's... By the way, Darius Slay, I didn't know he had a podcast. It sounds like it's a great podcast. Big player Slay. We're big fans of his over here. I appreciate that take. And Ty, I'll get yours in a second because it sounds like the future is a little bit brighter than maybe it seemed like whenever we were watching videos

of Jordan Love missing an entire net that was the size of a barn in training camp and now he looks much much better uh but D-butt I assume that is a natural thought starting quarterback especially with Taron Rodgers going off the field fucking yes here we go we might be able to get a pick D-line saying we're gonna be this guy's not gonna have a clue he's gonna hold on to the ball a little bit longer they're not gonna be able to get in right checks and everything like that but then he sees Jordan Love and's like, how quickly does it take for a defense to realize, like, ah, this guy ain't bad? Can you tell quickly if a guy's worth a fuck?

Probably the first series, and usually those backups come in kind of numb. You're just playing ball. You're not really overthinking it. But just like to his point, and I was talking to Ty earlier before we even came on, like just watching him play, small sample size, of course, but looks confident. You can tell he's going through his reads and looked, like he said, a lot like A-Rod as far as his posture, his throws, everything.

So they took him in the first round for a reason. I think the future is bright there. But being behind 12, being in the meeting room with A-Rod, like I'm sure he's learning a lot, talking a lot, going over checks, going over different things in practice. So I can't wait to see him get his shot. Won't be this year or probably next year. Hold on.

They're talking about him being traded. All of a sudden. Enough? No. Aaron, when we were having this conversation with Aaron yesterday and it was announced he's coming back and he's playing, there was a huge reaction. And I didn't expect it.

To be honest, I did not expect it. I thought, like, Aaron coming back and playing, no big deal. A lot of people thought they were going to rest him for the rest of the year because the team isn't doing what they've been doing the last two years or whatever, and he's banged up. Then all of a sudden the conversation started going, Aaron's going to get traded. Where is he going to get traded to? Because they're going to want to move on to Jordan Love

because of what Big Play Slay said, what you said, like the future's there. They've got to move on. Aaron is obviously not the right fit anymore. That sort of happened on the internet yesterday. And I was like, did I miss something? I feel like, did Aaron say he doesn't want to play there anymore? He didn't. It just, this became the conversation, a natural one.

How do you feel about that? Do you think that's a reality? And how long has that been talked about that I missed? Because I feel like I've missed that completely. I didn't know he was potentially getting traded at the end. I heard he was potentially retiring forever. I didn't know he was getting traded. Now people are like, he's going to the Jets.

He might be going to any of these. Maybe he's going back to the Niners or whatever. I don't know if he'd come to the Colts, whatever. That started happening, though, last night all of a sudden. I did not see that coming. Did I miss something, Ty? No, that was news to me as well. I mean, the prevailing narrative was that he's going to retire after this year.

But then, for whatever reason, yeah, maybe it was sparked by Jordan Love looking pretty good when he came in the other night. But I hadn't heard any of the trade stuff on any of Packers' Twitter or anything like that. That really did seemingly start kind of yesterday after the interview. I think that's bullshit. I don't think there's any way the Packers are going to trade him. I just can't imagine. I don't think there's any way the Packers are going to trade him. I just can't imagine.

And, like, Love did compared to, you know, how he looked when he started that full Chiefs game last year. Like, he is leaps and bounds better. There's no question about it. But they kind of put all their chips in the Rodgers pot. Like, they owe him a bunch of money. Yeah, there's ways they could get around it. But also with Love, too, like, and I don't know.

Again, I'm not trying to shit on the guy because as a packers fan like obviously i want him to you know i want it to be just kind of like the brett to aaron aaron to jordan like that would be great but also they were getting beat by 14 when he scored that touchdown it wasn't necessarily a close game like it ended up being closer than it really was he threw nine passes like i don't know if if that small sample size is enough to say, okay, fuck it. Yep, Rodgers, let's trade him. Let's get rid of him. We got our guy in love. Let's kind of move full steam ahead towards him. I just don't know if you can do that.

If they want to trade him to Indianapolis or something, we understand. Colts would love that. Jordan's so good. Jordan Love was so good. Oh, Jordan to the Colts. No, no, no. Aaron Rod so good. Jordan Love was so good. Oh, Jordan to the Colts. No, no, no. Aaron Rodgers. Because Jordan Love was so good.

Jeff Saturday played with A-Rod. He knows him. Oh, yeah. Good friends. Let's do it. He comes on this show every week. This show's here. If he leaves, he's going to the West Coast.

He ain't going anywhere. But he's not going to another cold city. I thought he was going to the Jets. I thought he's going to the jets yeah yeah aaron's gonna go play you know in new york city for the jets i don't think so i mean if he is gonna go anywhere i think it would i mean maybe you know the niners his childhood team that he loved like i could see that but again what like if the niners win the super bowl this year they're gonna what to trade? What about the Raiders? Raiders, maybe. Hey, will you reunite with Devontae? Possible. I don't think he's coming

to another cold city or something. Burning man's out there. Exactly. Let's pivot. Let's get back to this. Gather your thoughts on where Aaron Rodgers is going, because we will talk about this again, especially when AJ comes on, because AJ's been firm in the camp. He ain't retiring. That's what AJ is. He ain't retiring. How way. That's what AJ, he ain't retiring.

How's he going to retire? What's he going to do? He's got other hobbies and interests. He told us that yesterday. Okay. Do any of those just scratch, like, the biggest competitive itch in the history? I'm up there with, like, Tom and Wayne and Peyton and Serena and, like, MJ. Bobby Orr. LeB Bobby or Tiger, not Bobby or Tiger.

Yes. But like those are, there's a happy Gilmore far of actually what? Yeah. Did he? Did he? That's how he. Nick with those fucking copper fit clothes. He's still wearing them.

Yeah. He looks like a bum backer. He's still wearing them. Looks like a homeless guy a bum back there. He's still wearing them. He looks like a homeless guy. He literally. Let's go, Nick. Finish the year. Finish the year.

All right, Nick. Is that Copperfit working? That's Brett Favre of Enterprises. It is. Yeah, it keeps his fingers nice and nimble. All right. Especially during his winter months. Let's pivot away from this conversation.

We'll get back into it for sure. Anytime Favre is mentioned, we're going to have to talk about it. Joining us now is our go-to person to let us know everything happening inside the association because he is the go-to person for all the information inside the association and everybody else associated with the association. Ladies and gentlemen, from The Athletic, The Stadium, and FanDuel TV, friend of the program, the insider for the insiders of the NBA, the handsome Sean Sharanya.

Hey, boy, Sean. What's up, buddy? Pat, what's up? How's everything? You doing all right? Hey, fantastic. How are you? How's FanDuel TV going? You enjoying it? We're seeing some clips. We're not watching as much as we should. When it gets closer to playoffs, we'll dive in because we're going to need some gumbling. Come on, Pat. We need you to come on the show. Hopefully soon. Let's speak that into existence.

Some crossover, PMS, run it back crossover. I'm just throwing it out there. I know basketball well. The show's going good. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 10 a.m. Eastern time. Michelle Beadle, Chandler Parsons, Eddie Gonzalez. I think you and Chandler Parsons would act really well. I think you guys are both smooth operators.

I love the way he's made a lot of cake, right? Oh, yeah. Not that I want to pocket watch, but I think he's a person that people have been pocket watching for a long time. I'm a big fan. Guy's got a great shot, too. Oh, yeah. Silky smooth.

He'll come in here to the Thunderdam and light this thing up, just like you, Shams. We've seen you crossing people up for ads. Whoop! I mean, you're doing your thing. I would love to come on the program. You just let me know when you guys need me. Can't wait to chit-chat.

I believe Zito just dropped in my ear there while you were chit-chatting about me and Chandler Parsons maybe getting along about maybe some breaking news happening in the NBA world with Mr. Middleton. Is that true? I should have kept up a little bit more. And James Harden, I believe there's some breaking news out of the NBA is what Zito just told me. Is is that accurate well let's give some i mean there's two notable injuries right now across the league there's one chris middleton he has not played yet this year uh he

underwent off-season surgery on his wrist um and and there was a thought he would be back at some point in november he has not been back yet on the floor. But I'm told he is close. He's nearing his season debut, potentially as soon as Friday's home game against the Lakers. Hey, welcome back. Welcome back, Chris. Chris Milton on the way back. The Bucs are hopeful that he'll be able to debut as soon as Friday. And then James Harden, he's been out.

He had a tendon strain in his foot. And I'm told he is targeting a return. They're on a three-game road trip. He's targeting a return on this road trip. Most likely that final game of the trip next Monday in Houston. So it would be a return

in Houston of sorts for James Harden. Welcome back, James. Go celebrate after that big-time comeback win, too, in any of the old places you used to stomp around in, James. Congratulations to both those guys with incredible rehab to the injury. All the hard work is going to pay off. They're going to be on TV Thursday and Monday. The boys are back in town.

Congrats to both Chris and James. Happy for them. Yeah, dude. Good boys. All right, let's talk about that Sixers team. Are they good? Do they stink? I remember the beginning of the season, there was a lot of,

oh, maybe this is the year Embiid's the guy. He's going to win MVP. James Harden is there. They're not good anymore. Are they going to be good? What's happening with the Sixers right now, Shams, for those of us that maybe haven't kept up as much as we should? The Sixers have the talent.

You have James Harden. You have Joel Embiid. Tyrese Maxey is also out. He's hopefully going to be back in the coming weeks as well. I don't think talent is the problem for this team. I mean, when you look at the roster, Tobias Harris is their fourth option. We saw what he did the other week against Brooklyn. He had 20-some points. He had a double-double. He's playing at a really solid level, and he's the fourth option on this team on most nights. So the talents there, what they need to figure out for sure is once these guys are back,

Doc Rivers just spoke about it, you know, once James Harden's back on this lineup, how do they gel? Because, Pat, there's like two different styles of this team. When it's just Joel Embiid, they just pound it down low to him, and he's able to have control of the game inside out. When James Harden is healthy and he's on the floor, you know, you have a tendency because of how great he is. You want to play run and gun.

You want to play faster. You want to have him get other teammates involved. And James Harden is the focal point. How can they blend this team? Because they have the talent. George Niang's playing at a good level. He's shooting the ball well. Shake Milton.

Like, they have these guys that are coming off the bench, scoring points with James Harden out. So the talent is there. How can Doc Rivers get this group to coexist once everyone is on the floor together? Doc Rivers, good coach, right? Is that on him to figure out? Is that how the NBA works?

Is the coach going to get blamed if they can't figure it out? Or is it always the players? How does the NBA judge that type of situation? I mean, usually the coach is the easiest one to blame right especially when you have guys making as much as james harden is 30 million 40 you know joel's making 40 50 million tyrese max he's going to probably be a maximum contract guys as well so when you have guys making that much money the easiest person to blame is the coach but i think you know for this team it's a lot of these guys are going to have to take the onus as well, right?

And, you know, it's going to be a lot of sacrifice. It's going to be a lot of communication. And a lot of that does for sure fall on everyone, coaches, players, front office. So James Harden, we just brought him up. He said different style of play. He does, you know, he's classic. I'm just going to put it through my legs like 15 times and then you reach. I'm going to step back and I'm going to shoot it.

That's a travel now. Is the NBA calling travel? That happened last night, Golden State and Dallas. I heard Steph Curry did a step back last night in a big-time moment. They called travel. Luka got one last night. Are they – is this a thing? Is the NBA like we're playing by rules now?

Is that something that's happening? I saw there's been – I think there was 10 travel calls last night in that Warriors-Mavericks game. I don't remember the i think there was 10 travel calls last night in that warriors mavericks game i i don't remember the last time there were 10 travel calls so i i'm not told of like a emphasis a point of emphasis that was given to the referees but usually what happens over the course of a season like let me take you guys a peek behind the curtains you know these the refs the competition committee um of the nba which includes owners, players, front office, league, they all discuss issues that go on. And sometimes there is focal point issues that emerge as the

year goes on. Bench decorum, you know, guys that are standing up and cheering. We've seen those guys get technical fouls. We've seen more palming violations. We've seen as the years gone on, more traveling calls. So I assume this is something that's being discussed among the referees. But, yeah, I mean, it's very interesting. There are these travel calls that aren't always called. Steve Kerr said recently, like, if you're going to call every travel, there's going to be a lot more, you know, on a nightly basis. Yeah, and I think that's what we all just kind of come to understand with the NBA.

Like, this is just because there's always the video because're playing 82 games, and there's so many inbounds that are going to happen where guys just walk like six steps, and then they start dribbling it on an inbound, and the refs still count, and they're like, they don't even call this. It's like there is 10,000 of those every single season. If that happens, if they were going to call everything, that would be interesting.

It's a little games machine. You couldn't even play. You couldn't even play. Like, guys are palming. I mean, if you watch watch games guys are palming the ball like all the time and so you can't and it's like it's like jordan pool was the one guy that was really targeted the you know the other week recently so i don't know it's a tough situation the roughs have it tough there's no question about it yeah luca like dribbles in slow mo right like that's his that's like his gift and now they're going to start calling it?

Is it all because of Luka? Can't call him Luka. I don't think it's on one player. I mean, they haven't really called it on Luka. He got called for, I think, a couple travels last night. Then he had that eight-second violation. That's what we're saying. And it was in that game that he's playing in that there's like 11 or 10 travels called out of nowhere.

Has this been happening or is that just the biggest game that it's happened in and I didn't notice? I think that's the biggest game. But even with the Warriors recently, Steve Kerr's talked about how, you know, we're going to call it travel, a palming on all these plays. Like there would be a bunch. So the Warriors have definitely been hit. So I don't know if this is just a focal point with Warriors games, or I'm sure Warriors fans probably think so. That's right. Fundamental basketball.

That's right. Get back to the fundamentals. We need to see point guards dribbling like this, like it used to be back in the day. Five passes before you can shoot. And let's have good form, too. If they don't have form, I want fucking personal. Yeah.

Get that thing out there. I'm happy for the nba figuring out because it's no more flopping around too right i i think the olympics happened yeah yeah and then the olympics changed the game in the nba right didn't that happen this year well pat another thing that we're seeing you know limited in the league right now is the take fouls i don't know how much you guys got you know irritated by that but last year last two years, it's like any time, any time there was a fast break, all right, foul. Like there's a three-on-one, a four-on-one, and guys would just foul,

and it would kill the momentum of the game. It would kill fast breaks. So they've got rid of that, and literally I think these games are as smooth and as clean as we've seen in years. So kudos to the NBA for that. But I don't know what they're going to do about these traveling fouls do they get rid of that sean how do they get rid of that take file they just not call it no so what they did was now if if a player commits basically an uncommon foul right you're clearly not trying to play defense to go for the ball to go for a steal you commit a take

foul yep it's basically one free throw and you get the ball back, which is a change. So now it's basically, yeah, like Pat said, you get a technical foul free throw, and you get the ball back. So that's why players don't want to put themselves in that situation. You're basically giving a team a free point. But we've still seen a few of them this year. Paul Jordan got called for one early in the year. So it's not like they're completely eliminated.

You probably see one a week just because guys forget that this is the new rule. Last question for me here. LeBron James, Stephen A. Smith, who we enjoy around here. He was late to work the other day. Hey, Stephen A., what are you doing?

Come on, Stephen. What are you doing? Be a pro, Stephen. He just got chewed out by Mad Dog earlier. Literally sat in a corner and Mad Dog yelled at them. Didn't even know he was late. I assumed something was happening when it happened. But Steve and A has been talking about Braun maybe being traded, right? And I feel like we respect Steve and A, and I respect Steve and A,

and Steve and A knows people everywhere. Is that something that's even in the – is that potentially happening? What's going on with LeBron and Laker? They suck-suck, right? knows people everywhere is that something that's even in the is that potentially happening what's going on with lebron and like they suck suck right is that something that still happens or what's going on there yeah lebron james signed an extension in the offseason so he here's breaking news he is not eligible to be traded this season so uh you know i guess I guess. Oh, what? Breaking. Never say never. Breaking news.

He is not because he signed an extension. He is not eligible to be traded. It's more an extension rule. So maybe that's a rule that's that's lost on some people. But listen, I think I think depending on how this Lakers season goes, I think you have to keep an open mind. A lot of different things to be the Lakers. Right. Because you have LeBron James, who's obviously at the twilight. You know, he's still an amazing player, but he's going to, after this year, have only

one guaranteed year on his contract. AD's only going to have, I believe, one guaranteed year on his contract. So you want to, you just don't know the future if this team isn't going to make the playoffs or the play-in this year, what can happen. But I know for right now the goal for the Lakers, they're going to keep an open mind. What can we do with big-name players? Could there be a Russell Westbrook trade this year?

Could there be other smaller trades that they can make on the periphery? I think they're keeping an open mind. The goal is to try to make this team better, though. All right, I hope they get better. Good luck out there. Good luck, Mike. Good luck out there. Extension rule, can't be traded. Obviously, we knew that. Connor, your hope they get better. Good luck out there. Good luck. Good luck out there. Extension rule, can't be traded.

Obviously, we knew that. Connor, your question for Shams. Yeah, Shams, obviously the Celtics are the best team in basketball once again, but is it safe to say that Emei Udoka will not coach for the Celtics anymore and is this Joe Mazzulla's team? And then also, why was Udoka going to the Nets almost like worldly accepted when everyone's been saying that everything he did was way worse than what we've all heard yeah whatever happened to that yeah so

so yeah so so the first part as far as joe mozilla that's the guy right now that's joe mozilla is the guy moving forward for the celtics i i'm not it's unclear when they're going to officially remove that interim title, probably not till after the year. And, you know, you redo his contract, you restructure everything. But the fact that the Celtics were willingly allowing Ime Udoka to part ways, and even now, if a team comes out of nowhere and initiates conversation, they're willing to let Ime Udoka go. So that lets you know how they view his future in Boston.

There probably isn't one, given the fact that they're willing to let him go Udoka go. So that lets you know how they view his future in Boston. There probably isn't one given the fact that they're willing to let him go with ease right now. As far as the situation with the Nets, that was the guy who the Nets had planned to hire. But if you guys all remember during that moment, not only you have coach firing and Steve Nash, you have the Kyrie Irving situation, which was at its peak. And then you do have these questions around Ema Yudoka, the investigation that the Nets had to undertake. And then also there were internal and external, I'm told, outcries about the potential hiring of Ema Yudoka. And I think paired with the whole Kyrie Irving situation at that point, it just made it too untenable for them to go and hire Ema Yudoka at the time, and they pivoted.

And Jacques Vaughn, I think at that point, was something three and had won two of three or three of four of his games, and they went with him as their full-time head coach for the season. How are the Nets right now? Are they good? Everything good over there? Is Kevin Durant just the best player on earth still? Is Kyrie Irving back in there? Has he accomplished everything that he was supposed to accomplish

before returning to the court? KD is still one of the best players in the league. I think the Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons, how will this situation, how will this trio work? That's still very much up in the air. Ben Simmons is out tonight. Kyrie Irving just got back last weekend. When was the last time we talked to you?

It wass ago. And then before that, months before that. And then before that, months before that. It's the same conversation about the next. They don't have a coach anymore. So what is the deal? Are they ever going to figure it out, we think? Is this the last year for this team to figure it out?

And then is that what's going to take place? I mean, listen, this team is championship robust, for sure. So if this team doesn't make it to at least the conference finals or the finals, they're going to have to figure out what they're going to do with their future, which probably, you know, the Kevin Durant question looms large. He's going to have, I think, three years left on his deal after this year. So that question will definitely be one to look at

depending on how far the Nets go this year. Ty Schmidt, your question for Sean Sharanya. Yeah, Sean, speaking of Kyrie, it seems like one week they're talking about trading him and saying, get this guy the fuck out of here. He stinks. We're done dealing with him. And then the week after, it's like we're very committed to seeing things through with Kyrie and the Nets.

What the hell is going to happen? Is there a chance that he gets traded to the Lakers? I know we've talked about that, and you've kind of shot shot it down several times but it does seem like every week and a half they bring that back up like that's a possibility what the hell's going on with kairi i mean i i think i think it's a tough situation with kairi ervin because you know if it was a normal situation where he was actually playing in these games and and it's been you know smooth sailing this year there would be a Kyrie Irving market if they were trying to trade him but right now there just is not a market uh place and and that's just the the reality of the situation now he needs to get

on the court playing games because we've seen him the other night guys in their win um against Orlando Kyrie Irving Kevin Durant accounted for 60% of the Nets offense. Like, that's the burden that that team and those two players have there. So Kyrie Irving still got it. He just needs to be on the floor and produce and perform. And then at that point, I do think a market can start to form. I'm not sure if the Lakers have any new interest there. But there's going to be a Kyrie Irving suitor.

He just needs to play games. Is the trade deadline already passed or no? No. Trade deadline is February 9th, I believe. There's a notable date coming up. December 15th is a notable date, guys. To get NBA fans going,

that's the first date that free agents can get traded. Guys that signed deals that free agents can get traded. Guys that signed deals in July can now get traded starting December 15th. So you'll see possibly a flurry of some more action coming up. So Westbrook potentially getting traded out of the Lakers. Kevin Rance says, hey, Brody, what we couldn't do in Oklahoma City, we do in Brooklyn. More eyes here.

Get you out of LA. Kyrie is back to LA. That'd be cool. Let's go to Sacramento. Who? KD and Russell Westbrook. This year? This year.

Let's send everybody. Shout out Sacramento Kings, by the way. They're hot right now. Let're talking about December. Shout out Sacramento Kings, by the way. They're hot right now. Good team. Let's go, Kings. Nice and beam. They're running it. Beam team.

Shout out to Sacramento Kings. I don't know the feasibility of a Russell Westbrook for Kyrie Irving trade. I would not put that much stock into that

one. Okay, all right, Shams, you've got to be professional, so I appreciate you doing that. Last question here from all of us to

you, Shams. Obviously, we've seen you on the Stadium Network. We've seen you on the Stadium Network. We've seen you on The Athletic. Now we get an opportunity to watch you every single week, multiple times on FanDuel TV with Run It Back. What an incredible

program. Great program. We see you on Twitter. We see you on Instagram. Shout out Up and Adams as well. Kay Adams Show. Hell yeah. Shout out Up and Adams. Shout out FanDuel TV as a whole. I've been told though that you have a whole nother platform

that you have not let people know about. Is there a time, and is that time now for you to kind of come out and just say, I've been running a Fugace. I got a burner. I've been marketing deals.

Okay. I've been marketing deals myself. I, Shams Sharanya, if somebody wants to get in on fucking Hoop Central, they can negotiate with that as well. Are you running a burner account that has millions of followers without telling anybody about it and taking none of the credit or the business end of it let's go shams good for you is that you yeah pat yeah pat yeah pat i'm uh i'm doing

my own work right now with the athletic stadium with fan duel you know reporting and doing all my news and then yes on the side i'm also somehow putting out 500 tweets a day and aggregating news and also getting a million followers on Twitter. Yeah, that's like I definitely have the time and the energy to do all that. Unfortunately, I don't have the time or the juice. I'm sorry to all the people who are not buying. Unfortunately, that isn't me. Not buying. Unfortunately, that isn't me.

But listen, shout out to that account. They do a good job as far as when they aggregate information they always check to make sure that they're aggregating it the right way that's really what happened that day uh so you know shout out to them but unfortunately i don't have the time or the juice to do all that, but I appreciate everyone online who thinks I actually have the time and the strength, the manpower, the will to do all that. We don't take naps. We don't like naps. We don't take naps. We're anti-naps, but we also, you know, I don't know.

DB, Pat, I don't have the time. Are you still pro-lunch? Are you still pro-lunch? Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm pro-all meals. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. What? You can't miss those meals, man.

Gotta make them. We're proud of you. I feel like I just broke the hearts of everyone that was listening that thought I was running that account. Whoever runs Hoop Central is very thankful that you. Whoever runs Hoop Central is like, yeah you... Whoever runs Hoop Central is like, yeah, I put out 500 tweets a day, I built this thing over to a million,

and Sean Charani's getting fucking credit for it with 10 other jobs. So they're the only ones that are probably pretty happy about it. But I think it's believable because the engine that you have, pal, and the ability that you have to always be on, we are nothing short of very thankful for and big fans of.

Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Shirani. Hey, boy, Sean. Hey. If he was running another hustle where he was selling that, like, he just did

the FanDuel TV business. What if he had Hoop Central get a deal with DraftKings TV or whatever? Sean Shirani's just sitting in his fucking thing just pulling the fool.

All right, I need to create another burner. Let's do a love quotes account. Let's get this one going. It's like getting a Hallmark. I right, I need to create another burner. Let's do a love quotes account. Let's get this one going. So I get it with Hallmark. I told everybody, be prepared to have a question for Sean Charani because I haven't been following along with NBA as much as I should to have a conversation with the insider of the NBA.

I go around the room, you know, when Sean's giving an answer. I go to Connor. Connor goes, oh, yeah. I go to Ty. You have a question? Ty goes, yep, I can get a question. I go to Tony. Tony goes, no. Tony. I'm like, Tony you have a question? Ty goes, yep, I can get a question. I go to Tony. Tony goes, no.

Tony. I'm like, Tony, what are we? That's not what I did. That is Tony. That's not what I did. That is what you did. I went, I mean, I had one. What was it?

What did I miss? I was going to say, hey, Shams, pretend someone hasn't watched one minute of NBA basketball this entire season. Like, what's a storyline that you'd want to get out there and let that person know about? That's a good question. I should ask that one, to be honest with you, because that's where I was living at. That's where I live at. D, but you asked that follow-up and then I asked him if he had another question, and he was like,

nah, I just asked it. You were going to ask about cake fouls? I had two questions. You asked them. Which one? I was going to ask about the Lakers. Okay. I mean, you're a great journalist, so... I'm not. It's literally the only... The Nets. I was going to ask about the vibes of the Nets with Kyrie and I think Ty... See, you and me are doing the same thing. It's football season. Yeah, exactly. Tell me about Kevin Durant. Tell me about LeBron James.

We didn't get a Zion update. Call him back. Call him back. Call him back. That's good call, Foxy. Did you see what Ty did to Zion? I didn't do anything to Zion. He couldn't even answer a question about what he wanted to eat for Thanksgiving. I got Zion back

is what I did. He said, if I answer this question, the whole internet's gonna fucking make fun of me Yeah He said if you're trying to get me right now I don't think it's Ty Who would it have been? I don't know Any of the other people

That have been murdering Zion Yeah maybe the people Yeah who fucking Strung him up like a blimp From Mardi Gras Which actually happened That actually happened I called Zion a fatso

When he was a fatso. He's not anymore. Anti-fatso is leading the charge on this show, though. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, the insider for the insiders. To all that are associated with the association, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sharanya. Hey, Sean. Sean, we're doing a briefing after the call to see what I had missed

because I have not been paying attention. Yeah, we're doing a briefing after the call to see what I had missed because I have not been paying attention. Yeah, we're doing a briefing. I'm just chiming in on the briefing right now, the PMS briefing. Well, you heard about the end of it there, and we realized that we did miss something that we normally. Is Zion playing? Is Zion in better shape right now? Is he playing every game?

Are they still resting him? What's the future look like, and are the Pelicans a team? Are we good? Are we going to be on primetime television when games matter? Is Zion going to be on TV when games matter, whenever the football season kind of slows down here towards the end? Listen, when I went on Up and Adams for the first time, they were looking for a team to root for.

Like, the Pelicans are that team because of how young they are. You want to root for a guy like Zion Williamson, the way that, you know, he's only played 100 games. I think he just reached 100 games in his career. Congratulations, Zion. That's it. There's 82 years. Second highest point total behind, I think, Michael Jordan in those 100 games. Like, that's an impressive team.

Thank you, Zion. Congrats, young king. Only 100 games in his first four seasons. Boo-hoo. Buthoo but like the way that he plays when he's on the floor you you you have to i mean he's a real talent um no shit so i think right now he's playing he's a full go there are moments where he does get banged up though he had a foot injury recently um he missed a couple games with so i think the pelicans what they're doing right now their strategy when their guys get hurt you have ingram right now out with a toe injury when their guys get hurt they want to take their time they want to bring bring them back slowly so i think that's what's on two years listen i think i think i personally think

that it's a fine strategy when you're when you've got young guys you're trying to preserve them but we do want to see zion the court. He looks amazing right now. Okay, that's great news. Thank you, Shams. Sorry about that, Shams. Thank you, Shams. Joining us now is a man who doesn't have those problems because he just pisses while we're live underneath the desk that he sits at.

In an attic in Ohio, college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, A.J. Ha. A.J., there was a little bit of a urinary issue here in the first hour. D-Butt just said, fuck it, I'm out of here. Did you see that happen, and what are your thoughts on it? I did not get to see D-Butt get up, but you know what? Credit to him, man.

It's dangerous. You sit there and you've got to pee really bad. You can't focus on anything but that. I understand, and I am a man who has an active bladder as well. I also appreciate the fact he just got up. Fuck it. You know what I mean? Despicable.

Just didn't say a single thing. Was he supposed to raise his hand and ask if he's allowed to go or what? I mean, it's pretty noticeable when you're just, when there's five people sitting on a stage, eight that's kind of blocked in, you know what I mean? And we're doing a shot from the wide where everybody's like, whatever it is. We were tight.

It was a tight shot. We've been bouncing. We've been bouncing. We've been bouncing all day. That's what got us. Somebody made me laugh. I said, oh, shit. Didn't even say anything. Like, AJ, I personally think I appreciate the move that you did there.

I appreciate you just get up there. He's a saboteur today. Bullshit. Not yet. Step and turn off the power before we even start. You know, if there's no sound to start the show, I don't know if you saw that. We certainly stumbled out of the gates, but I think Darius should have just said,

oh, go pee, you know, just something like that. Got to piss. He's got to be laughing. I thought it was something bad. I was like. I was on my putts. Yeah, you go shit. I should have did it like that.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, when you just walk off that way. Nobody's made a putt on this green in a long time for any money. It's ridiculous. Zito came out here and practiced a little bit ago. Zito, you keep fucking around. You're going to be out here this hour trying to win some people. Can't wait to watch it. AJ, let's talk about some

things that were being talked about from the Aaron Rodgers conversation before we get to Tiny Miola, the original Captain America, the soccer team. Aaron Rodgers is now being traded after this season. Did you see that? That kind of took off on the internet and I thought we missed something. Did he say something that alluded to that or is that just the success of Jordan Love with Aaron still being on contract

and everybody assuming he's getting traded? And what are your thoughts on that as a thought that was certainly real on the internet last night? Yeah, I did see some of that. I mean, I guess, yeah, people just assume – do they assume that the Packers don't want him back? They think Jordan Love is the guy and they're ready to move on from him? Is that what people assume from seeing the little bit of action he got?

I honestly have no idea. I think that's why they wanted people or people were calling for him to be pulled by the floor. So, hey, we can use this season that is turning out to be nothing to see what we got with the guy that we spent a first-round draft pick on. So I think that is the reasoning behind the people that were all calling for him to be pulled or calling for him to sit out the rest of the season now those people fail to acknowledge like the 50 million dollars that aaron's getting paid to play football for the green bay packers this year and i understand like it would be a good time to get jordan love mathematically not eliminated yet you still have a quarterback on a contract for the next couple years it's pretty fucking good uh even even though Jordan Love is in an interesting situation

that none of us wish for Jordan Love to be in. We think Jordan Love, great guy. Not Jordan Love's fault to be in that situation. But it is crazy how the things get going. And if you listen to what Aaron says, Aaron's like, I'm fucking playing. What are we even talking about? I'm playing football. They're paying me a lot of money to play football, and even if they weren't,

it's football. This is how this whole thing goes. How do you see it panning out? You think it's going to get to a situation like Aaron and Brett did? Is that what's going to happen here with the Packers faithful? Because wasn't that a real thing? I wasn't a Packers fan then, but that was a very real thing back in the day. For sure, but Favre retired, and then they

basically said, all right, sounds good. We're going with Aaron, and then Favre decided, like, well, actually, you know what? I don't want to retire. So he came back. I haven't figured out how to rob poor people yet. I'm still working on it, but I don't have the plan complete yet. So he came back. Then they traded him to the Jets.

But I don't know. This kind of goes back to draft night. And, again, nothing against Jordan Love, but it's like, honestly, nothing against Jordan. No, but it's why I was so pissed off. And it's why a lot of Packers fans were pissed off. Cause now you're in a position where like, if you watch games, you knew, yeah.

Rogers maybe at that point hadn't been playing as well as he had, you know, historically, but like he wasn't washed. And now you're in a situation where you're handcuffed and you have this guy where you, you don't, you know know what you have with him a little bit, but not necessarily enough to extend him, which is what they're going to have to do. They should have just gone again with Rodgers, and then you start this whole process. If they drafted someone in this upcoming offseason, then that makes sense. But to do it when they did, it still is just mind-boggling.

Yeah, and Jordan Love obviously has taken it all in stride he's gotten better Darius Slay we played a portion of his podcast Big Play Slay which is an awesome podcast I think if if the minute that I watched is anything like the rest of the podcast I think it's a great podcast he talked about how you know when a defense sees that Aaron Rodgers is walking off the field, you know, we're all like, hey, you know, this is a good day. Probably going to get a pick. D-line a little bit more excited, probably a little bit more decisive,

probably going to do it. And then he talked about how Jordan Love, this guy, is copy and pasting Aaron almost. He said he was, like, impressed with Jordan Love. He's obviously been in the back pocket of Aaron since he's got there and he's learned from him. It's the right person to do it. I think Jordan has handled this all very well as well, and it has not been an easy situation at all for him to be in, AJ.

No, I mean, what a unique situation. Get drafted to the Packers, all of this stuff is still going on. Like, he's, what, three years in now, and there's still all this. Who knows what this offseason looks like? So, yeah, I think it was good to see Jordan Love get in there and just look confident, look comfortable like he could run the offense. I'm sure that felt good for the Packers. And also for Jordan Love to get the compliments from Darius Slay, I think that'll go a long way for that.

I think so too. Just like they say Christian Watson, that man right there, who his entire confidence changed after one play, after he made a big-time play, and ever since he's had, what, six in the last three weeks or something like that, six touchdowns. It could change there. Jordan Love having good film in meaningful football games against a good team is great for Jordan Love and his camp.

I don't think the Green Bay Packers would have any problem trading Aaron Rodgers if they were looking to trade Aaron Rodgers. The media's perspective of Aaron Rodgers versus other players, you're a big play slay like that's the right guy to fucking copy and paste it's a goat yeah one of the goats right there obviously aaron's doing that whole thing and i think there is a lot of gms around the nfl that would be like oh the guy who does ayahuasca is that why we're not taking him uh we don't like him because he does ayahuasca yeah well, he also didn't get vaccinated.

Oh, that son of a bitch. Do we have to worry about that anymore? No. His arms still work? Yeah. Okay, yeah, we'll fucking certainly sign up to pay a fucking Aaron Rodgers to come to our team. I hope Packers fans know that. Like, oh, Packers fans know that?

Because I saw some Packers fans that were tweeting last night that seemingly did not. They were saying, take the hit because nobody's going to want him and move on. So I'm like, you have no idea what it's like. OK, you agree, babe? I was lucky to be a part of the Colts organization when Peyton left. Andrew Luck came in. OK, that is a great situation.

And they kept saying, oh, this is like Brett going to Aaron. And I'm not saying that Jordan Love isn't going to be the next one that carries that baton at great football. But if he isn't, it gets real dark real quick. Hey, it gets real dark real quick as a fan base. And I just think Packers fans need to understand that and need to recognize that. Because if Aaron was announced to come to the Indianapolis Colts,

they might put a fucking statue up of him before he even takes a snap here in Indianapolis. Hey, put a fucking statue. We've seen the Ring of Honor. We got Aaron Rock. Tone was not impressed with the Ring of Honor. Tone was not impressed with the Ring of Honor. Harbaugh was there for two years.

Why? Pretty crazy. His name's on the Ring of Honor. They have a AFC finals. Ring of Honor, right? All those guys are. I don't know if everybody did, to be honest with you. There's a couple guys before I got there who you look up there

and you just see the amount of years they were there. And then you, like, look up the history books of the Colts and they don't own any of them. But they were a necessity to get the Colts to where they are today. That's right. So that is why. Was Marshall Fogg traded away? Because I thought I saw his name up there.

Yep, yep. He was traded away. He was traded away. Huh. Which I think Jim on the other side was like, brother, we appreciate you doing that because they got Edge. Yeah. Right, Edge and James?

It's like, oh, he was. Marshall's a Hall of Fame player, and he was on our team for a little bit. Put him up there. No, I think it was Jim going. Tough situation. It was a win-win for both. Everybody won a Super Bowl. No, I think it was Jim going. Tough situation. It was a win-win for both. Everybody wanted Super Bowl. Harbaugh took the Niners to the Super Bowl. Put his fucking name up there.

What? It was a cult. It's the disrespect. I'm proud of the guys that have gone in there, though, that I've done. What year was Harbaugh there? 95 to 97, I think it said, or something like that. Good years. Some solid years.

That's ridiculous. I don't think they were that good, yeah. The loss to the Steelers in the AFC Championship, that was fucking good. Didn't they have the number one pick? The semifinals. All right, anyways. Sorry.

Proud of everybody in the ring. Yeah, I guess. And if you're going to make a ring of honor for the United States men's national team, this guy's the first fucking name in there. Goddamn right. If I'm voting, okay, if I'm voting, first name on there. Oh, who you putting in there? Oh, it's

an Italian man. Who is the Italian man? Well, he was a goalie who did back flips on the fucking field, led the MLS to basically kick off their entire league, was a stallion for the United States American team, and a guy whose name is synonymous with incredible soccer. The soccer Lombardi's coming home, and I hope they give a ring to this guy. Ladies and gentlemen, Tony Miola.

What's up, boys? How you doing, fellows? Paisan, thank you. Are you guys as tired as I am, man? I've been up at 5 o'clock every goddamn morning, and now the games aren't at 5. I'm still getting up. Well, I want to let you know, Tony, that's why we had you come on,

because we have not been waking up that early. We've only been watching the highlights. We have not dove in completely. Let's go into this whole thing. Obviously, games are like 5 and 9 and 11 and 1 or 2 o'clock all morning from Qatar. And we want to ask you about, you know, Qatar being the host country

and everything that's happened there, and then obviously the Sepp Blatter documentary that's on Netflix that all of us who grew up, you know, dedicating our entire lives to soccer and everything like that, kind of tough to watch that take place, but you assume that type of shit's going to happen when you have that type of power.

Let's just talk about the soccer specifically. The United States get a massive win over Iran yesterday. Christian Pulisic scores a goal. Shout out to him. Goal plus U.S. money line was like plus 338 yesterday. Big money, no whammies. So many of his legacy as a United States guy. What are their chances

now against Netherlands? I don't think I know enough about Netherlands or the rest of the tournament as a whole. Do we have a team that could go, Tony and why aren't we scoring do we need more of that yeah i think a couple couple things there first christian pulisic right he needed his world cup moment he needed that every athlete right needs that christian pulisic got it yesterday against iran and i know when they showed the replay i don't have any men are in the world but everyone's watching every play going, oh, boy. We know what that feels like.

Yes. And I texted with his dad today. It seems like he's doing okay. He's day-to-day right now. But I would expect that he plays against the Netherlands. With regards to the Netherlands, this is a team with massive, massive names. This is a team with massive, massive personalities. But truth be told, they've underwhelmed so far.

Even though they did win the group, Group A, they have not been impressive. With that said, if there's a team in the World Cup right now, based on how they're playing, I would put Argentina. We're going to find out this afternoon about Argentina if they end up going through. The Netherlands is a team that you shouldn't be surprised that if they have two or three more levels,

where I think most of the teams we've seen who they are right now. So to your question, are they beatable? There's no doubt about it. This is a very young U.S. team. They're doing things that maybe some people didn't expect to do. Keep in mind, they haven't lost yet. There haven't been many teams that haven't lost in this competition. They haven't given up a goal in run and play.

The only one was a penalty kick goal that they gave up. So they've got Matt Turner's pitch, two shutouts. By the way, another New Jersey goalkeeper. I'd just throw that in there. Region one, hell yeah. Yeah, you got it, region one. And when you look at the performances of the six halves that they played, they've been the better side in five halves.

I don't know that we would have expected that. So they're in a pretty good moment right now. It's not a team, Pat, that I thought going into this tournament was going to score two and three goals a game. Just not that team. What's the one position we have said for months we need to continue to build? And that's the number nine position, right? Greg has rotated both games, and we might see someone as a new striker

playing in the next match. Tony, when you're playing goalie, kind of a technical question, and someone's taking a PK on you, what are you looking at? What are you trying to read first? I'm always curious about that. Yeah, hips, right? So if your hips are pointing one way, it's kind of hard to put the ball the other way right but there are guys that can do it but hell man these guys are so lucky now how much videotape

we were we had vhs tape when i was playing you know we didn't have now you can look at every penalty kick that every guy has taken for the last 10 years you know and we didn't have any of that stuff but um yeah But yeah, it would be it would be hips and then timing, right? People have an issue when you see a guy hop and jump. It's almost I equate it to baseball. My kids are into baseball, right? And I equate it to like a change up, right? It looks like a fastball. It acts like a fastball, except it does something different than a fastball. So when you see that it's they're trying to break the rhythm of the goalkeeper in and his timing of when to dive depending on where he makes the decision to dive. So

there's an art form to it, right? There are some guys that are really good at penalty kicks and some guys both taking them and saving them. And I think that's why you see sometimes in the Netherlands was one of them in 2014 that actually changed their goalkeeper twice going into penalty kicks. Yeah, some guys get a good read on it. It feels like a good sense and everything like that. You certainly were one of those guys. That's why, you know, when I scored as an 11-year-old against you at the Con soccer camps, I knew that that was a moment that I'd remember for the rest of my life, and here we are, you know, chit-chatting.

But it does feel like modern soccer, penalties more important than ever or am i just caught in the moment it feels like there's much more penalty kicks than there's ever been in much more important ones than there's ever been am i wrong in thinking that no no because we have var now right so you think about the years of how many penalty kicks referees may have missed or weren't willing to call right now you don't have to make a call, right? If you're a referee, you don't really have to blow the whistle because you've got this security of having VAR and going to the video monitor and seeing it again, which we never had in the past. So if it wasn't called, it wasn't called, and you had to make a split decision. So when you think of it from that regard, I'm not so surprised.

And we're now starting Saturday with the U.S. at 10 o'clock. And by the way, all the games are at 10 and 2 moving forward. From yesterday on through the rest of the tournament, we're getting into rounds where there's no more draws, right? We got to figure out a winner. 10 a.m. they're going Saturday? Yeah, 10 a.m. Don't we have any pool?

Can't we go at 2? Come on. Don't we have any pool? Can't we just say, no, we're going at 2 o'clock. We're America. You know, that whole thing. Can I go back to the team itself? Because you said we're looking for a number 9.

And for those that don't know soccer, like the 9 is the striker up top. That's why you see a lot of the great goal scorers throughout history have worn the number 9 because that's the position of 9. Gio Reyna, not playing. Now, I know he's been injured. But I think, did you play for his dad you know his dad I assume you do uh the family I played it I played in a world cup yeah I played in a world cup with Claudio yeah so this dude is in his mom I think professional

soccer player as well we've seen him play great great soccer seems like he could be a guy that could solve a lot of our problems maybe I don't know he's grown up in the academies in Europe Greg Berhalter is not playing him is it because he's not fit he's not in shape obviously that He could be a guy that could solve a lot of our problems maybe. I don't know. He's grown up in the academies in Europe. Greg Berhalter is not playing him. Is it because he's not fit? He's not in shape? Obviously, that video of him going through the hotel yesterday locked in while everybody else is celebrating in desks. This dude's got so much swag.

I'm a big fan of his. He wasn't happy that he got subbed out. Christian Pulisic got his balls checked out. He's celebrating back at the hotel. Ball's checked out. He's celebrating back at the hotel. That moment right there, though, a G in the background with his headphones on, walking through, is kind of what stole the conversation to that whole video after getting knocked through to the next round. What is it with – is he not in shape?

Is he not fit? And what do you see from him going forward, do you think, Tony? That's been the big mystery. You know, when we talk about lineups, I expected he would start at least one game in the first round. There was that little discrepancy with Greg talked about they had a fitness check after or prior to the first game against Wales. That led everybody to believe that, hey, is he potentially injured here?

He said after the game that he was 100% fit. So there's been a little bit of a discrepancy. You guys all know, right, you cover enough sports. There's no, from all the so called experts right there's no sort of uh soccer reason why you wouldn't see geo rain on the field so leave you to believe that maybe just not the guy for greg or maybe there's something else going on that we don't know about but we we've seen this a million times in sports well also in soccer politics is played of you know especially in the united states american soccer for a long time hasn't it i mean for literally that's been

a part of the problem yeah hasn't it yeah it is i don't yeah i don't know that it it plays out here um again what happens in that camp we don't know we can only just assume right i've been in those camps three times uh in three different world cups and I used to read things that were happening outside and thinking, man, that guy knows nothing about what's going on inside. And we've seen this in every sport, right? It's everywhere. Agreed. So I guess we shouldn't just automatically assume the worst,

but we can't score a fucking goal, and a guy who's a fucking goal scorer, and his name is pretty great, we put him in there. Darius Butler played nine years in the NFL. He has a question for you, Tony, after watching the World Cup. Yes, sir. Hey, what's up, Tony? So, watching the World Cup, a lot of these goalies, man, putting a lot of nice punts out there.

There are a lot of goalies that transfer to the American football and punt. And then part two of my question, how close were you to being a kicker or a punter for the Giants? A little birdie told me you might have got close. Jets. Oh. Jets. Oh, Jets. I dropped the ball.

Pete Carroll was the head coach at that time, who, by the way, I remain friends with. Great guy. Yeah, I was close. I hated it, though, man. I really hated it. It was the most boring. You go from diving around and picking balls out of the corner,

and it was the most boring job. I was with you guys, and Pat, you'd remember, I don't know if the rest of you guys remember, Nick Lowry was there, and I had the chance to work with Nick back then when he, I think he came from the Kansas City Chiefs if I'm not mistaken, to the Jets, and I

thought, I always wanted to do it, and I thought if I'm ever going to learn to do this, I got a pretty good chance with Nick, but I got injured right before do it, and I thought if I'm ever going to learn to do this, I've got a pretty good chance with Nick. But I got injured right before the season, and it was almost a blessing in disguise, to be honest with you. But to translate to goalkeepers, man, there are a lot of guys. I would think more kickoffs and field goals than punting because the way the game has changed now, everything is struck off the ground.

So I would think they translate more that way than anything. Seems like guys are bombing balls right now. Back in the day, somebody would take a goal kick and they got it to like, you know, near the other 18. Everybody's like, look how fucking big this guy's like. Now it feels like every goalie can huck it. Is the ball different if they change the ball or is it just technique changing?

What do you think it is? Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. both and look the athletes are just bigger and stronger now i i think the one thing you guys are you know majority football guys right i mean i think if you actually went on the on the sideline of one of these games you'd realize how big like you okay netherlands how big virgil van dyke is their goalkeeper six foot eight nopert that you going to play. I think you'd be surprised how big some of these guys really are. Just different built athletes, right? Yeah. And the balls are flying. I can't wait. Tone has a question

for you, fellow Paisan. Tony, we kind of talked about it a little bit earlier. I've been wondering it. Dest has been subbed off, I believe, in every game. And after him, after him, it feels like there's a pretty decent drop-off to Shackmore who's gone in the last two games.

Or how come Yedlin's not going in for him? Is it just a cardio thing with Des because he's up and down that side the entire game? What's going on with that position? Yeah, look, you hit the nail on the head. First off, I believe Yedlin did come in in the Wales game, right? And it's been Shackmore in the last two games, if i have that correct nashville keep in mind yeah nashville and he was playing in spain but keep in mind i watched your junior desk because ac milan is my

team right it's the team i support around the world so i watch him every single week um he's not played very much um for milan over the and he didn't play at Barcelona at all, really, before he went to Milan in the transfer window at the end of the summer. So I'm not really surprised, but there was a moment. I think you're talking about the England game when he came off the field and he had a few words. And I asked about it after the game,

and I asked the PR people in U.S. soccer if they had anything on, because we saw a little glimpse of him turning back, and I don't know, you couldn't tell who he was upset with it certainly wasn't the referee because he wasn't looking at the field so yeah but i i think all in all he's been pretty damn good in this competition so far i think he just is run out of gas because he doesn't really have fitness under him yeah and that is a big part of it in the soccer's way like uh they were talking about boxing when floyd took on Conor McGregor. And all the super boxing people were like, Conor, yeah, he might have a couple good rounds,

but boxing fitness is just a different thing. Like, you have to have cardio and boxing. And 11 rounds is what Conor, and it was incredible work by Conor. I think it should have been applauded. Soccer, fitness is a big deal. That was something I was never that great at. You know, these lungs, for whatever reason, just weren't always the biggest part of it. It's hard to judge though, from the outside looking in, like, does that guy have anything left or does he not have

anything left? And I assume Berhalter is trying to figure that out as we go. So I guess we shouldn't judge as hard. Last question before we let the legend Tony Miola go. I know you have a lot to do. Messi's coming to Miami. Cristiano Ronaldo, I know he's getting offered like $207 million allegedly from Saudi Arabia. He's up. Is he coming to the MLS? Ronaldo, I know he's getting offered like $207 million allegedly from Saudi Arabia. He's up. Is he coming to the MLS? Is it our sport now, Tony? Is it our sport now?

Are we the leaders in the clubhouse of soccer? Oh, we'd like to think so, man. Or we'd like to think at least it's going that way, right? Look, Messi to Miami. I reported that back in March that that deal was essentially going to happen if Messi wanted it to happen. The Cristiano Ronaldo, I just saw the latest report, three and a half years, $365 million. And I think it's Al Nasser over in Saudi Arabia, I believe, right?

If I'm being honest, I'm kind of over the Cristiano Ronaldo, me, me, me story. I really am. I'm a Messi fan anyway. So this whole thing, I'm like, okay, perfect. Go make your money. Go do your thing. When you're getting $2.5 million every Instagram post,

it's not like I can feel bad for you because somebody's benching you at manchester united i gotta be honest uh okay what does the this men's team need to do that you think will be a massive success or they are have they already accomplished that going into the north america world cup four years from now yeah i've always said this is built for 2026 but they have a great opportunity here. How do they win this game? They've got to win the midfield. Adams, Tyler Adams, our captain, has been outstanding. Weston McKinney and Eunice Moussa

have to likely have the best game that they've had in this tournament to beat the Netherlands. Let's go. Come on, boys. We appreciate you. Paisan, Tony Miola. Hey, Tony!

This dude eats French toast, donuts, baked potato, baked everything, and then comes in more yolk. That was a good batch this morning. It was, wasn't it? It was. I saw you. He gets his plastic knife and fork, and it's just like, and we drench this thing with syrup.

Oh, yeah. Oh, and he just cuts. What another week of NFL coverage. Yeah. And then he just eats 7,000 calories of sugar and French toast right in front of us. And then he comes out here, misses 10 putts, makes seven, eight basketball shots straight, and then just flexes in a mirror like, what's up? What's up, dude?

What do you do? You just work out all day when you're not traveling and eating French toast? I've been slipping, man. December 1st, I'm getting back on it. Hell yeah. On what, this? Yeah, what else, though? A good routine, good workout.

You're down there in South Florida. I've seen the screwball thing. He's got Sal Powell's workout routine. Sal Palantonio? I got to get with Sal Powell. I'm going to get with him on Friday. Sal Palantonio? Sal Powell's been juicing for 15 years.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. In the best way. You mean juicing on 140 confirmed kills. Goddamn right. Call of Duty and in real life. Don't compare Sal Powell to Liver King, all right? Wow. Oh, jeez.

That's a good point. Hey, all right. Brian Robinson. Okay, let's address it. We have to. No. It didn't happen. It's not true.

It's propaganda. Those are fake emails. Is this real? No. Yeah, this is real. His name is Brian Robinson. It's propaganda. Those are fake emails. Is this real? No, yeah, this is real. His name is Brian Robinson. No, no, no. Something like that. Running back for the command.

Brian Johnson, excuse me. That's the thing. Brian Johnson. And he's been juicing every day while eating bull nuts every single day. I would like to let everybody know that when I was introduced to the liver king, which was pretty recent, which I think everybody kind of got the liver king which was pretty recent which I think everybody kind of got the liver king baptism as of late on the internet because he's been everywhere doing interviews everywhere um my untrained eye

immediately upon seeing you he's natural definitely Just thought, just happened, just before I learned his story, just happened to think, okay, that guy has different stuff in his body than I have. That guy is probably, with the vascularity that we see here, probably utilizing, if we had to guess, HGH, which makes some of his joints look the way they look. He's probably utilizing at least some testosterone boosting in there. He's got a muscle where everybody else's love handles are. He somehow created a ripped muscle there. So even like the most ripped people you see don't get a ripped muscle there.

He figured it out. So you think he had a couple of tremble-on sandwiches maybe and everything else. Then Bayley McComas told me, if you remember this, and I don't like to do this, Bill, because I love Bill. Sure. We all do. You need to act a little different then if that is the case. Same with you, Nick, and everybody else waiting to talk to Bill. Bill's a pig.

Okay. See, I don't think that's true. Bill wasn't. He's disgusting. He's a human. Whoa. All right. So Bill doesn't deserve any of this.

Bill is awesome. Bill is tubing and coding the internet right now. He does a great job. He's a disgusting person. Okay. I don't know. I think what you said first is true. What you said second, slanderous.

Tremendous work. Great work ethic. Bam. And we're done. He is absolutely incredible. But as soon as I brought up Liver King. A human pig, literally. He did puke on himself and keep the sweatshirt.

That's because he was a gamer. Everything about Bill... This is about Bill, not about Liver King. Bill does not deserve any of this. No, he doesn't. To add on to that, it was our swear that we could have gotten a free one right after. And we told him to throw it away in the trash can that he was standing right next to while he was continuing to puke on himself. And he said, nope, I'm going to keep this one.

He's not wasteful. Puts it in a ball, brings it back into the car. The one that he puked into didn't puke on us though exactly that was nice so which is also interesting how much he was saving for dinner for later tony all these things slanders bill i love you bill you don't though like there's a lot of you that don't i do i want to let bill know that. I fucking love Bill. Love you, Bill. But as soon as I said Liver King appears to be on some sort of enhancement drugs, Bill came in and said, I've been following Liver King for a long time. He eats livers, which naturally boosts his own testosterone.

So although his testosterone is higher than everybody else's, it's because of the raw balls and testicles that he eats and the raw liver that he eats and his um what's his lifestyle called uh primal primal lifestyle that naturally boosts his testosterone as opposed to what we do now which kind of eliminates your testosterone so bill told me that straight face immediately upon me saying this guy's definitely on stuff yeah that was a real thing i guess Everybody believed that that's actually what it was. I thought we all understood that that was like... Yeah, me too. I assumed

too. I watched Derek, the dude Derek from More Plates, More Dates. I've mentioned him on here. He's this jack dude who talks about I think he kind of exposed the emails or whatever. Why are people losing their mind? Look at the guy. He's got a vein in that right or left bicep that runs from his shoulder all the way down.

You see that looks like it's four inches around. Like the dude is unbelievable. We'll say he's incredibly jacked. Yeah. He's very jock. Very jock. Who cares? I know he's been fighting hard saying he's been natural.

I guess that's why people are upset. So he said all he takes is the supplements that he was selling. So then that's where the fraud comes, right? So that's when the fraud starts coming in there. But anybody with eyes and just, you know, a mirror where they can see themselves would say, okay. Has he responded? Has he responded?

He's been questioned about steroids a lot. I don't know about this particular allegation of his stuff. Well, this one's the first one with, like, evidence that supposedly leaked emails and stuff. Like, now it's getting big. Darius, you saw his routine. Are you on the same one? Is that what everybody – is that just a standard?

I have not seen his routine. One of my friends, my guy Matt, he would tell me, hey, man, you need to eat some raw, you know, liver, this or that. I actually saw that guy a couple months ago, but same thing. As soon as I saw him. Okay, that guy's on the internet probably. Yeah, on the internet. I don't know if you saw him down at F1 because he was making appearances.

He was a celebrity. Big time. I didn't see him in person, but I mean, it's obvious. He says he's making like $100 million or something a year. He's making crazy money. Yeah, I mean, Bill McComas would have bought anything. Yeah. Bill, whenever we talked to Jack Carr, he was the go-to.

It was like, I'm so thankful you're here, Bill, because he's read every single book, and he's listened to every single audio tape, and he's done everything. He's a Jack Carr. Owns all the weapons. Jack Carr's stand, yes. Practiced with all the weapons, having the double axes. he was he prepped like he prepped me perfectly for the

conversation like i i said i've watched the series is there anything else i need to know he's like sit down and i got like boom full billy mccombs thing i'm like thank you video game stuff happens bill's uh invested in it i'm like bill is there anything else i need to know bill goes sit down boom basically tells me this stuff like i i really appreciate everything that he brings to the table liver king i did not expect him to be a diehard for oh yeah he was all the way in and i would assume he has supported the business that is the liver king living in a mansion traveling the world getting millions and millions of views becoming a a fitness god for people, basically, in a whole new routine. But as soon as you see a zoom-in shot like that of his back,

if you weren't automatically zooming, he was maybe taking a little extra. I do have to question you as well, I think. And that is a massive problem on the Internet these days. Well, and to your point about Bill, didn't you have to calm him down this morning because he was almost crying about the Super smash bros tournament that got canceled yeah the super smash world tour super party tournament uh got canceled again yeah the smash world tour championship and is uh its entirety of was fucking canceled after happening because nintendo said no that's basically

what happened nintendo who owns the entire Smash World and everything in it. Mario, which has... What the hell is Smash World? The universe, bro. Those were some good games back in the day. Back in the day. Fucking Link, Star Fox. Yeah. You played video games now? Kirby.

Not a lot, though. I played an F1 game. A little bit of Madden with my brothers. And any time a new duty drops, I try to get on early before everybody gets too good. You have a duty to get on. Yeah. It's a duty. So you do play.

You still play. Still play, yeah. You still very much understand the, you're getting in there, what you're doing, how you're doing. You understand the concept that you're a gamer. Yeah. I've played games all my life. Smash World Tour, you think you would have won it? Absolutely not.

Zito might have though, right? That's where Zito lives, in that Mario world. I love Nintendo games. 64. Yeah. Did you know about the Smash World Tour thing? No, not really. The newer stuff, I don't really know that much, but if it was back in the day, 64, oh yeah.

Mario Kart? Put me in that tournament. I don't know. Not much but if it was back in the day 64 oh yeah mario kart oh put me in that turn i don't know not if you have to run into this yeah yeah sorry listen i thought the same thing i'm not a gamer the only game i've been pretty good at mario kart i was like okay this is what my game is like i play mario kart we happened upon a video game shit talk conversation early in our uh development As a business And I said I suck at everything but Mario Kart And then Zito kind of quietly I think Kind of did his thing

And then Zito just laps everybody Laps? Yeah like you know when You know on the screen when there's that person coming around For the next lap and you're like This person's playing a different game than everybody else Yeah that's Zito. Zito is like that.

Green show. Zito, you're like a nice Mario Kart player, right? Yeah, very good, yeah. Who is your kart? Toad. Oh, that's my kart. What do you go with, bike? Golf kart?

So back in the day, you could only use the kart for an S64. So have you evolved at all? Do you play it still, or no, you still just... I've dabbled a little bit recently, but I'm still Kart. I stay old school. Yeah, you're an old school guy. AJ, you play Mario Kart?

That's the one game that even non-gamers play, like me, for instance. I did in college a few times. That was Nintendo 64. I hate that dumb controller they have. The joystick in the middle. What's this one I got now? Nintendo Switch.

No. Oh, yeah. I got a PS5 now. I ain't fucking around, dude. Hell yeah. I'm becoming a gamer. I got a PS5. Congrats.

Congrats. Played a Tiger yet? So I haven't plugged it in yet to the house. You'll get around to it. It's downloaded, though. It's downloaded. It's on football season. It did get plugged in here.

I played it over here. I played GTA for seven minutes. It was stuck on the internet mode. season. It did get plugged in here. I played it over here. I played GTA for seven minutes. It was stuck on the internet mode. Couldn't do anything. But I did play it for seven minutes over here. This is going to be my thing. I'm going to start playing video games. I'm going to do this.

This is going to be my thing. Oh, yeah. Because I'm running out of series that I like. Don't want to get into series. Sure. So instead of watching series, I'm going to start playing these video games. This is going to happen. I'm 35.

I'm going to get into it. Zito set it all up. Downloaded everything for me. He gave me the wires that I need, even set up the internet. Like, hey, here's the internet thing that you need. Here's what you need. Just plug it the fuck in. You're dialed in. Everything's ready to go. That thing's been sitting at my house for three weeks now.

It ain't ever going to be plugged in, I think. I don't think I'm ever going to get into it. It's a damn shame because I heard PS5s are tough to get. Zito did a lot of work for it. And I'm just never going to fucking get into it. And that's a damn shame. A lot of people have been trying to get into it. It's a damn shame because I heard PS5s are tough to get. Zero did a lot of work for it and I'm just never going to fucking get into it. And that's a damn shame. A lot of people have been trying to get a PS5. What? On Twitter.

Like they're taking advantage of the olds? No, the youngs, olds, rich, poor. We would like to let people know that we probably have a PS5 available in a couple weeks if it continues to just sit where it is games already on it five games already downloaded on it i believe i created an entire character on gta

you could have it probably i'm gonna we'll see we'll see if i plug it in and use it use the thing but aj you never got into video gaming when i was young like as a kid like old school super nintendo games a little bit but then once I got into college, I stopped because my roommates were playing Halo, and I tried one time and got killed 37 times. Whenever you come back to life, they just shoot you again. I'm like, this is dumb, and I never played again. Yeah, I was terrible with my thumbs as well. Let's talk about a couple things that we have to get to.

Messi is currently sitting at the penalty spot. Oh, what? Can we take a PK? Can we pull that up? Yeah. I don't know if it's still called a PK, by the way. Yeah, what is it called? They say penalty.

I knew what you were talking about. This would be huge. I asked Tony Miola. Miami Zone. PK. He knew what I was talking about. Yeah, because he's throwback. He's Tony Miola.

Yeah. Tony might have got me in the soccer, man. Oh, no. Hey, he missed. Oh, no. Hey, he missed. Oh, no. He fucking missed? Methy? Can you rewind it?

Messi got... He got Stonewall Jackson? Can you rewind it? No. Messi, I'm a fucking soccer shark, bub. You're supposed to put that one in. Isn't he? Messi.

That's not going to help, is it, with all the people? Isn't it? No. This is exactly what happened the last time. He missed a penalty. We all took it. So if they get another penalty, can he kick it again or not? I assume they'll put him in there again.

Hopefully he's fucking messy. But now he's just going to pass it on to everybody because he's going to feel bad. Need a killer instinct from Messi still. He missed that PK. He's probably scoring twice, which Connor bet on. Messi scored twice. Can I ask a soccer question? Can I ask a soccer question for real? Sure, dear.

Yeah. Ask soccer. I turn the game on, too. Weird timing. There's a dude laying at the 50-yard line, still laying, acting like he's hurt while they're still playing soccer. This happens every single game. The guy continues to lay there until they stop it. I'm like, what are we doing here? Get up, man. You're still playing soccer. And this happens every single game. The guy continues to lay there until they stop it. And I'm like, what are we doing here?

Get up, man. You're costing your team. Yeah, so like there's – Because they're not hurt, obviously. We know they're not hurt. We know that. You're just trying to get to whatever. There's a weird gesture too.

Sometimes if somebody's laying down, blast it. Oh. He should have four assists today. I know. Lionel, shoot the fucking ball. Well, he got saved on a PK, so he's never going to shoot again. By this guy, Shezny? Are you kidding me? I sent in a video., shoot the fucking ball. Well, he got saved on a PK, so he's never going to shoot again. By this guy, Shezny? Are you kidding me?

I sent in a video. Fucking put the ball in. I sent in a video of the penalty. How bad was it? Was it cheeky? Really good save. Oh, okay. Yeah, you got a dog.

Shezny. Yeah, all right. Only watching the hips. Hey, does he always do it left-footed? Yeah, he does it left-footed. Is this Shezny Meoli? Dan Orlovsky has texted me and said that our show keeps cutting off today dropping out of youtube well he's internet dan i mean messy pick a corner

buddy what the fuck are we doing anyone can save that that's a good save god shesney is about to fucking get the golden gloves he wishes oh Fucking telegraphed it, man. At this point, you say, this is the way I'm going. You should be the PK guy for Argentina. Do you guys still want him in Miami? He could play for the Indy 11. Can't play for the Revolution. We don't want him.

Kick it straight at the goalie. Is that a good kind of PK? What if you just blast it right at him? I used to do some of that. They're usually going to dive. Aren't they going to dive usually? No, no, no. Nowadays, a shot down the middle is a pretty common practice so goalies either react or guess or there's a lot

of different stuff what's that like that obviously the goalie been in that situation not allowed to leave the line before the ball's kicked either so like back in the day i don't know what it is now i don't fall close enough the game was to try to gain as much yards as possible before the ball was kicked without the ref seeing you. So just like a casual hop forward makes you closer to the kick, so it's like worst angle. But I've seen just in my own personal games, I've seen a goalie jump too early, guy miss. Another kick.

Another penalty. Guy make. That's a heartbreaker. That is a real devastating. So I don't know what all the rules are now, but I think they have to be on the line before the ball is kicked. They can move however much they want. I've seen goalies try to set people up, line up off center,

and say, like, all right, I'm forcing you to go that way. Can I catch it? Like, they have a six-foot. Eight. The Netherlands have a six-foot-eight guy. Like, that's not a bad idea to offset, force somebody to go that way, basically, and then just hope that you can reach it.

But I would kick it as hard as I could. I'm going as hard as I can. And if you save it, good on you. There might be some rippling effects down the road, though. You know what I mean? If you catch one in the face. Yeah, breaking nose. Oh, yeah.

Can more strikers strike with both feet? Yeah, most guys go with their favorite, though, their better foot. Like, Messi goes lefty or whatever. Let's move on. Should have gone righty. That's a fucking heartbreaker. That was a winning bet right there. That was another big one.

Yeah, I know. Did you get more news there? No, I just, I mean. The Messi stuff, he got reconfirmed on your phone? I mean, it's not over. They're buzzing. Yeah, but Messi's passing. Yeah, exactly.

Because he feels bad because he missed, so now he's just going to give somebody else a ball. He knows he can't beat Chesney. Chesney is a guy, but... Chesney, 101. Kenny Chesney. Five-star high school quarterback. This guy's a little taller than the other guy.

Oh, yeah, he's his cousin. Yes, Texas five-star. He was one of the boys of fall. He played with Sean Payton. He's from Tennessee, Tony. Tennessee, five-star. He was one of the boys of fall. He played with Sean Payton. He's from Tennessee, Tony. Tennessee, five-star Tennessee quarterback. Payton. He's the first quarterback who was five-foot tall who's also a five-star. They used to call him 5'5", Kenny Chesney.

And it wasn't because he was 5'5". No, it was because he was five-foot and a five-star. Never happens. Congrats to Kenny. He would go on to have a successful country music career. Yeah. He played the All-American game. He gathered the boys around and sang a song.

And they were like, what are you doing, Kenny? You don't play football. You need to get your ass on stage. He actually played the halftime at that Army All-American game. Exactly. Starting quarterback. In his pads still. Yeah.

Like, you know how those guys do the band sometimes in their full pad? Yep kenny was in full pads at the u.s army all-american game fucking microphone dropped down from the ceiling and he did a full on got your number got your bag when your bags against the wall you missed one man you miss me this all. Yeah. That's what he did. And colleges offered him scholarships for football and for music, and he said, I can't do it. I've got to go fucking go professional here. That's right. There were symbols at the top of the goalposts,

and to finish it off, he threw it from 50 and fucking hit the symbol. Start. Darius, do you have anything to add? Were you there? Did you watch? Oh, no. I missed that one. Come on, D-Button.

Missed that one. Sounds like a hell of a performance. Do you know Kenny Jesney? Yeah, I know the name for sure. Big time, right? You like country music at all? You like country music? Yeah, for sure.

I think there's a time and a place for country music. Yes. And I honestly enjoy the shit. I didn't always. I did not always enjoy country music. But when spring comes. Yeah, nice weather. Like fall and winter, certainly for me, rap music.

Okay? I think it's because football and the weather and everything like that. But when the spring starts to break, there is a country music season, I think, there for a bit. Such good vibes. Such good vibes. You dive into it at all or no? No. Whenever I go on the radio

we got 99 what is it kiss country down home 99.9 just a random just the top bangers see these are good stories though in country music so i like you know either about drinking about girls you hear about old red man this fucking dog what's that you listen to the fucking radio drinking girls it's not i don't hear much of that. I do. Do you listen to country music, AJ? I think there's a time and a place. I haven't really found it yet, but maybe. Okay.

I do at times. I go in spurts. I like the hits, just like probably any casual fan. I like the hits. I don't like the deep tracks. I need more BPMs. You know I need more BPMs.

Chris Gaines is not a country musician. He's actually... Let the bodies hit the floor. Punk, emo. So what do you listen to? You listen to soft rock? You listen to techno He's actually let the bodies hit the floor. Emo. So what do you listen to? You listen to soft rock? You listen to techno? DMV.

I listen to the hits. Yeah, of course. I've liked Dave since I was a little kid, but I listen to the hits. You don't remember when we walked in on him in the Super Bowl? Fucking just blaring like the most metal rock music, and he had this wooden thing that was just dragging up and down his shit. Oh, yes. Score tissue.

Go bring up score tissue. Yeah, he said he wanted to. He said if there was a bamboo tree here, he'd be kicking it with his shin so he could lose his feelings. I do remember that. That was in the house. That was right, in L.A. Yeah.

Yeah. Sounds like me. Strobelite, yeah, Strobelite was going. I love that. That was in my pregame. That joint right there. College. Who else?

Zombie had some shit. Rob. Rob Zombie. Ramstein. And we've talked about Ice. Veevin. And they go right into it. Those aren't the words. You guys want to listen to Ice?

Ice. Veevin. Yeah, they count to 10 in German, or he counts down from 10 in German. Duas. Yeah, Duas. Duas, Mish. Ice, Beaven. Something like that, yeah.

I was looking into our analytics. Germany, third country listens to us. Boom. Let's go. Nice. They're going to appreciate that. United States, first one. Canada, second one.

Shut up. Germany, third one. UK, which I still don't know who all was involved there but I appreciate them all Speaking of Canada, did you see what Judeo was up to lately? Let's move on, let's talk about

let's talk about some stuff going on in our world, as opposed to what's going on on other islands let's talk about what's going on in our world the college football playoff has As opposed to what's going on on other islands. Okay? Let's talk about what's going on in our world. The college football playoff has released its most recent top 25 ranking. This is especially important ahead of championship weekend. There has been some changes in the top four after the weekend.

That was college football. Number one, Georgia. They're reigning. Defending. Undisputed. National champions are still at number one, even though some people thought Michigan might jump them because of the dominating performance over then number two, Ohio State, this past Saturday in Ohio,

where they out-toughed Ohio, out-physicaled Ohio, out-Ohioed Ohio in front of a lot of Ohioans. People thought Michigan, because of how fucking brutal they were to the Ohio State Buckeyes in Ohio in front of Ohioans. Yikes. They thought Michigan might move to number one. AJ, would you have seen that as a compliment to Ohio State, or did you expect that whenever these rankings

were coming together? I don't care. If you're in the top four, who cares? Going to have to beat them all anyways. You want to win a national championship. Do you think they're worried about hey, we want the 1-4 matchup, not the 2-3? Do you think they care? Well, I think there is a potential chance that Georgia is not a team you want to run into in the semis. You'd rather

make it to the finals, get a little bit more eyeballs on your program, but nonetheless, if you're going to have to beat everybody to win a natty anyways, Georgia won, Michigan too, TCU who's undefeated could do a loss, people are saying, in the Big 12 championship this weekend against Kansas State and still make it in to the college football playoffs.

Congrats to the teams that are undefeated and can take an L this weekend and still make it in the college football playoffs. They've earned this spot, although they all want to be the champions of their conference. USC plays Utah on Friday night. If they lose, they're out of the college football playoff. They win. They're the Pac-12 champions and in the college football playoff,

and those are the only four that matter. Now, if Utah beats USC like they've already done this season, if they beat USC on Friday night, all hell will break loose for that final spot in the college football playoff. Ohio State sitting on deck to move in there. Will they automatically go? Alabama now sitting with two losses, one to Tennessee, who is ranked seventh, and one to LSU, who is not in the top ten anymore. Not in the SEC championship game.

A lot of people on the internet said, fascinating place to put Alabama so you can get Alabama in the college football playoff. If chaos happens this weekend, maybe I think Ohio State will go. Penn State cracks in the top 10. Congratulations to AQ and that call out there. Clemson's nine. Kansas State number 10. I have a question for one person and one person alone.

Tone digs, how many of these are wrong? Whenever people use the tweet, whenever people tweet hashtag PMS Twisted T, CFB, and they guess how many twisted teams in the top 10. Changed it up a little bit this week. Whoa. Whoa, how come? There's a team in this fucking top 10 that doesn't belong. Wow. This week, which that doesn't belong. Wow.

All right, go. This week, you got to, which team doesn't belong in the top ten, which team outside of the top ten was taking their fucking spot, okay? Okay. Clemson. And I do have to apologize. To? What did you do?

The people. Okay. I had a whole mess of twisted teas on thanksgiving night okay of course five percent abv tastes just like real tea because guess what is brewed with real tea damn right genius i was supposed to tweet out my fucking twisted last week on friday yes you are you were reminded i believe a couple times do that on i woke up on up on Friday morning, like, where am I? Okay. Oh, shit, I gotta tweet that out today.

Okay, and then my baby started crying, and I had to take care of my baby all day. You're gonna use your baby? Your daughter? My daughter all day, and I forgot to tweet that out. So that's on me. So there was no winners last week, because there was no right answer reveal. There was also no losers. Okay. Good way to look at it

but this week this week these will be revealed on friday uh who i don't think should be in the top 10 and who should they who they should be replaced with are we carrying over like yeah two winners this week well there's two last week was three winners this week four i think we should do four winners this week five no and i think four is do four winners this week. It'll be five. No, no. I think four is good, but because we're not making a decision for us. This is for somebody else. Yeah. You got to use the hashtag PMSTwistedTCFB. Who shouldn't be in the top ten and who replaces them?

Todd, literally, this is your segment. I didn't ask for it. This is the top ten team. You didn't ask. You earned it, though. Yeah. You earned it. You earned it. Hell, yeah. I know. That's a top 10 tea. You didn't ask. You earned it. Yeah. You earned it. You earned it.

Hell yeah. I know. That's all me, man. Fucking Thanksgiving, family. Daughter. I had a house full of family. A baby. I had a host in.

Yeah. Good Twisted Tea product. Big sales. Great. I was all hungover. Whole mess of Twisted Tea. Whole mess. You got so twisted.

Yeah. You don't get that hungover, though. They're still pretty good. So who was right? What was it last week? When you drink 105% ABV, so you got 500% ABV in you. That's not responsible. You drink 100 twisted teas all day.

That's how good they are. You shouldn't do that, though. You would like to let everybody know. I didn't drive. I stayed home. That's very nice of you. But you should also not do that. You should drink a responsible amount of twistedisted Teas, although they are delicious.

It does pack quite a punch to your next day. Know that your taste buds are enjoying the happiness that you're stealing from tomorrow with Twisted Teas. Nonetheless, still a good time. Yeah. Great time. Stick with just drinking like an 18-pack. All right. They are really good for breakfast, too.

Wow. You can't drink all day. You don't start in the morning. Hell, yeah. So certainly something to think about. Can't wait to see who you think doesn't deserve to be in there. Frods! Do we want to take our guesses?

Oh, yeah, it's Clemson. Tony hates Dabo. He hates that boy. You're going to take Clemson out. What about Penn State? That's not true. I was going to say Penn State. I love that boy.

What about Penn State? You mean the cult of Penn State? What if it's Kansas State? I mean, Kansas State could potentially be there as well. They could be. That'd be low-hanging fruit, though. Is it Tennessee? Because there's the Hennon Hookers not playing?

Maybe it's that team that has a coach that's best ever. Oh, couldn't fucking last in the NFL for a fucking month. Saban? Jeez. Harbaugh? No. Coach DeVan? Who are you?

Saban. Yeah, I know. I know who he's talking about? Who are you? Saban. Yeah, I know. I know who he's talking about. No, Bobby Petrino. Yeah, I don't know where he's coaching. Western Kentucky? They're going to be number 10. Hugh Freeze got hired for Auburn.

He did. Sounds like everybody's happy about that. Oh, yeah, ecstatic. He won't have control over his socials. WVU hired a new coach, right? No, we hired a new athletic director named Ren. Yep. Falker. athletic director named Ren... Yep. ...Falker.

Dog. Ren Baker. Yep, Ren Baker. From North Texas. Mm-hmm. I've been told by people that know Ren Baker, this is an elite hire. Nice. Ren Baker can turn around a program.

And what did I tell you? You told me he'd build a statue of a fucking mean Joe Green. He's okay with me. Hell yeah. That's what you said. Yeah. Exact words. And then I sent some texts to people that maybe know who the fuck this guy is.

He's the athletic director for North Texas. I don't think that's where anybody would think that you would look for an athletic director for a big power five program. You know, somebody maybe has a little bit more experience and a little bit bigger conversations than North Texas. No offense to North Texas. Just, you know, I assumed I didn't know how this would go. That's where Stone Cold Steve

Austin went. What? It's good this would go. That's where Stone Cold Steve Austin went. What? It's good with me, though. Yeah. All right. It's true. Ren Baker's going to get it figured out. Shout out to Ren. Welcome to West Virginia.

People from West Virginia. I don't see if he has any eligibility left because you might want Ren Baker playing fucking left tackle for the Mountaineers next year. I would love that. But even if he was good, the coach who's probably going to be coaching there wouldn't put him on the field. That seemingly is his trait. He's safe for another year.

He's not – He's 22 and 25 in four years as a coach, which means his recruits have gone in there and they have regressed every year. Young group, though, this year. Sure. They got a lot of young studs. Allegedly, Neil Brown is safe for another year,

but also Ren Baker has not been hired yet. True. I don't know if Ren Baker has said what he hasn't said. Neil Brown, probably an incredible guy. I think he's done great things at Troy and other places. On the bright side, why is Deion Sanders getting talked about fucking Colorado? And everybody's like,

yeah, it's a big deal, Colorado. It's like, send his ass to Morgantown, West Virginia. What do we even get? If he wants Mountain, they got him. West Virginia's got him. We got to pay him one of the Big 12. We'll fucking pay somebody. Won't we? I don't know. What's Colorado going to pay him? Exactly. Exactly.

What is Colorado going to pay? No offense, Colorado. I don't think I remember talking about you since Cordell Stewart's been there. What a play. Really, I haven't been worth a shit since Cordell Stewart was there. And I'm on a team that lost to Colorado. But nobody talks about Colorado. Colorado's not even in the conversation other than when that fucking Buffalo goes bananas and does something to someone.

Ren should call out the big guns and send Zook the nuke down to Jackson. Bring Dion's ass back, Zook. We got boosters who have money. Yeah. We got boosters that have money. That's who he's talking about. One particular booster. But there's others that are big money.

Let's go. Let's get Mora out of fucking UConn. Let's get him down to West Virginia. You think he wants to coach at UConn? Damn right he does. Not a chance. UConn sucks. Why don't we get Jerry West to do something?

Who? Get the logo to help us out. Jerry West's kid, Johnny West, played at West Virginia. I don't know how much he's been. I don't know if this is doing for football. I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. West Virginia alums. What can we do? I want to coach at West Virginia. I don't know how much he's been. I don't know if this is doing for football. I'm just thinking West Virginia alarms.

What can we do? I want to go to West Virginia. What's that, AJ? Bob Huggins do basketball and football. Huggins' time is. Huggins. I think Huggins is another guy I'd love to have a beer with. Love to enjoy that type of thing. Good guy.

Probably a good guy. Great guy. He still at W? They're not winning much. Yeah. He's going into the Hall of Fame, though, finally, I think. Congratulations. He deserves that.

Congrats, Tony. You're a pit snoggle coach. Hey. Yes. You get pit snoggle on the bench with Gansey and Beeline, Joe Alexander, and Missoula. Bring back Missoula. Sorry. Sorry.

Not happening. Yeah. Missoula ain't leaving Boston until he's 85 years old. Missoula, I think, said, dream job, West Virginia. Whenever Huggins is done, I'm going back there no matter what I'm doing. How about Steve Harvey? Head football coach. Give me Steve Harvey as head football coach at West Virginia.

Bring back suits on the sideline. I'm cool with whatever. Steve Harvey's a businessman. He'll get those NIL deals figured out very quickly, which I think we need to hire. No offense to Neil Brown. Every time he speaks, I don't hear, like, this guy has it figured out.

You know what I mean? Just maybe as a football guy, I don't know. Why is Deion, just as somebody that was a part of a show that went to Jackson fucking State in the middle of the season, how come Colorado is the only team that's being taught? Or USF, I think. USF and Colorado. It's like, so what is everybody going to do?

He's going to go there, have one good year, and then somebody's going to sign him? Cincinnati now, too. They should. He said it's been others. West Virginia needs to get in the game. Come on. Come on, Big 12 team.

What about Jeff fucking Saturday? I don't know if Jeff Saturday is going to want to coach football after this year. I mean, maybe. I have not talked to him. This is not me. Trent Dilfer got to get UAB, right? There we go, Trent. Leaving Ellipscombe Academy down there in Nashville.

Coached there for a few years. Just on prime time again. Yeah, we got Monday Night Football. Then we got another one. Coach was supposed to be good. Yeah. That's why we got prime time here Monday night. Then we got Sunday night. Then we got another one. We were supposed to be good. That's why we got prime time here monday night then we got sunday night then we got

another one we're supposed to be good that's how that's where we are yeah for everybody that says oh you beat the raiders they're a trash team it's like we're 10 and a half point dogs on sunday night football late in the season so that means you were supposed to be good schedule makers thought you would be good now you're a 10 and5-point dog on the biggest game of the week, Sunday Night Football, and they don't flex you out because Jerry Jones is controlling. Who is once quoted as saying, What are you guys doing?

What a scene. Dallas Cowboys aren't getting flexed out of Sunday Night Football ever because Jerry Jones is a part of the media negotiations. So the Colts are on there, and we've got more primetime games, and the Patriots have more primetime games. I do believe there are some boring primetime games in store for the NFL in the next few weeks. Yeah, the Patriots Raiders will be flexed out.

I'll put that out in the universe right now. That is not happening on Sunday Night Football. And what was it? Chiefs and Broncos got flexed out for Chargers and Dolphins. Oh yeah, can't wait. That happened December 12th or 11th? Yeah, so this is the first, is this the first flex? No.

Steelers, Chiefs, and Chargers. This is the second time Chargers have been flexed too. Yes. Was that a preseason narrative about the Chargers getting them flexed in the games here? You just gotta get Herbert on prime time as much as possible. Golden boy. Why? Why are they not going to make the playoffs again, Darius? You know what?

I think they're going to run. Okay, Staley with that two-point conversion. Clips it all around. That was like kind of get over the hump. You know, he got a little less aggressive this year, as he should. Went for the win. You got to get healthy, too. Ken Nolans is finally back. Mike Williams, he played what, five plays and then went back out.

So hopefully they get him back at some point. But Carter, Palmer, the receivers, Eckler, obviously a dog. I think they're going to be all right. Okay, and you got the Dolphins on prime time, which is obviously just fireworks and highlights. I'm excited for that. Pats are scheduled for, I think, either after that. They're maybe going to get flexed out of the whole thing.

Excited to see how the NFL continues to go. Once again, remember to use hashtag PMS College Football. PMS Twisted CFP. And which team shouldn't be in the top ten, which team should be in the top ten. In turn, we'll definitely do it this week. Carry over from last week, double the winners. Four winners, $500.

You get it right. And my Twisted teams last week were LSU and USC, and that proved to be right because fucking fraud LSU. See you later, dude. They did lose to Texas A&M. Nobody could have seen that coming, honestly. LSU, the conversation was, are these motherfuckers going to end up in college football playoff

because they're in the SEC championship game? Just beat Bama. I've only gotten better. Daniels is starting to be a guy. Brian Kelly's culture is going in there. They're going to go in the SEC championship. They're going to win, and then it's going to be chaos because two-loss LSU is going to starting to be a guy. Brian Kelly's culture is going in there. They're going to go in the SEC championship. They're going to win, and then it's going to be chaos because two-loss LSU is going to have to be in.

Georgia's going to have to be in. Then what do you do with other teams that are either undefeated or one-loss teams? It'll be a scene. They lose to Texas A&M, who has not been good at football, and now they're completely out of it. But they can still win the SEC in the first year with Brian Kelly. Congratulations.

Right after that game, the spread of the SEC championship went from like 12.5 to 20. That's because J.D. might be hurt. Oh. He's a guy. He's a guy. Now let's also talk about another thing that's happening this evening that we have to promote because the last time this was happening, we weren't even told about.

That was bullshit. There's a couple people that are able to hold the super boost reins, you know, that have the connects, have the conversations to be able to boost odds or promote a parlay or do something like that with Fandle. We're one of them. We have abused that right this year. We have. We have completely abused that right.

We have not won. But that changes tomorrow, obviously. Right. We're going to change that whole thing tomorrow. Another person that has that ability because of his relationship with Fandle as well, you can see him on Fandle TV and you can see him

on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN+. You can see him on the Man of Man podcast. You can see him on this show. Darius Butler has been able to do this and there's been numerous days he's been in this studio

and has not told any of us about it. Not one. So we have not been able to win alongside our guy, Darius, tonight. There's a same game parlay plus that Darius Butler has founded

and promoted. It's Garland for having six pluses. Kuzma to have 15 plus points. Kyrie to have 20 plus points. Durant, Embiid, and Mitchell to all score 25 plus. This thing is sitting at what odds? And Darius,

have we won any of these? And are we winning tonight? This is my second one. Basketball. Last one. Deandre fucking eight. I had him at eight boards. He was,

I think my fifth leg on there. He went into the fourth quarter with seven boards, played them in the whole quarter. Didn't grab it. So that was a bad one. But we're going to win this one. I like it. It was at plus four 30. I believe when I did it. Juicy. Here we go. But we're going to win this one. I like it. It was at plus 430, I believe,

when I did it. Juicy. Here we go. I'm doing it right now. You were muted there? Were you muted? No, not you. Plus 416 right now. Plus 416. Six like same game parlay. This is going to hit? Yeah, this is going to hit. How come we didn't ask Shams about any of this? Yeah, Debo, what do you hate telling us

about your bets? This could have been the... Oh, it wasn't approved. This just got okayed? This just got okayed about an hour ago. Let's go. Let's go. Here we go, boys. Should be good.

We did talk about the Sixers missing Maxie and Harden. So, obviously, Embiid is still that dude. Donovan Mitchell has been in a tear. Durant, you know, he's a walking bucket. Kyrie as well. He's been scoring over 20, he's a walking bucket. Kyrie as well. He's been scoring over 20 since he's been back. Kuzma as well. And Garland, he walks into the gym with six assists.

No problem. No problem. I feel good about this one. All right, let's win it. And that's a great segment. I just bet Max bet on it. I think you should too. Here we go.

Darius Butler, obviously superstar, not only on the football field with a microphone, but in putting together same-game parlay pluses in the NBA. AJ, are you riding that? Oh, you can't until January 1 when Vandal comes to Ohio. Very close. Hey, we're getting close. Nice. I know.

We're almost there. Let's go, dude. Ohio's going to be a great state for sports comedy. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. Right? I think so.

Yeah, there's cash in Ohio, and those people love to watch sports. All right. Let's I think so. Yeah, there's cash in Ohio and those people love to watch sports. Alright, let's fucking do this. Let's watch a little Everything DB show. Hey, this has been better for our show. Now, there's been...

I was going to say, not the best, but... Not as detailed. Not as fun. Not as fun. Definitely not as detailed. Not as fun. Not as fun. Definitely not as fun. Certainly no fun. This segment. Right.

It's all work. And it's not as insightful as some other ones. I would just like to say when you make those types of proclamations, which we never, ever would do. Nope. Nope. You're asking for people to dunk on you yeah and i would not like to be a part of it like a lot of my mentions like a lot of darius's mentions last night were you know our guy dane just getting obliterated awesome and i don't like that

because then dane is going to hold that against me because i'm getting added in there and i don't want to do it but when you make those types of proclamations, like you're asking for it on the Internet. And also, you're saying a lot. Like, you're saying a lot to some other people. You know, you're taking – that's a big hack, you know, you take out of the batter's box there. It's every week, you know, with every segment. You know, we get it. You love the show.

You love doing the show, okay? You don't have to force feed down people's throats. Ty, what are you saying? I love Dan Orlovsky. I do. And I think that's a good show. I get so sick and tired of seeing the self-suck from that show. What are you talking about? What is your deal?

Okay. It's the best show on TV. I get it. I've heard it 150,000 times. I watch it. I love it. Don't need it. Okay? Just knock it off. What do you mean self-suck? The opinions... I love that term. I like that term, Ty.

Como se dice self-suck? Wah, wah, wah. I would like to let everybody know that the opinions of Ty and others that potentially chimed in there do not reflect that of their employer and or their peers. We love Dane. I love Dane as well.

I was a little irritated this morning when I saw that. Oh, this again. Okay. That's all I'm saying. I am happy, though, that linear television has become much better with those guys on television. Without question. I think so. I think they do a great job.

Dane did text us earlier saying our service is probably not good. Turns out it might be his service. But nonetheless, Dane, we appreciate you. Love you, Dano. Thank you for making the sports world a better place. Thank you, Dan. Love you, Dano. All right, Dan.

You're running your mouth about us whenever you say stuff like that. You need to know that. And although we're not going to say anything, some of our people, who we appreciate, are going to. We certainly will. And both your and my internet experience is going to be no fun for a good two, three hours. But you deserve it. You're asking

for it. I'd have some awareness there. That's something Dan knows about. He does. Quarterback. Does he? I'm not sure. I don't know. You tell me. I think this is the one we're looking for. Here we go.

Thanksgiving football. My guy is getting fried. So we got the Bills, Lions, Josh Allen going to touchdown pass Isaiah McKenzie. But you start out too high here on defense. Start out too high, double. Double Davis down here.

After the motion, going to end up doubling Diggs. This is Josh Allen just IDing this coverage in the rear area. See double-double, and you got the iso here on McKenzie. He's going to run away from leverage here across the route, which is a fucking tough route down here. You'll see the double. He comes with the motion. Running back real quick.

I want you to see this communication from this safety to this corner. He had a hell of a game, too. Two-three. Just see the communication here. He's going to overrun it. Going to have a bracket double on Diggs. Go ahead.

It happened already. Oh, fuck. Yeah, now you good. Boom. So you see him come down, so now that middle is completely vacated. A lot of people will say, what's the post safety doing? What's the middle of the field safety doing?

Run it back real quick. So he's going to be responsible for 13, right? He's going to say, all right, you stay on top of Davis over here. You go down. And now this whole middle of the field is going to be vacated. And it's a tough down. Every down on defense, somebody got to wear the hat, right? Especially when there's other good receivers that's going to be vacated and it's a tough down every down on defense somebody got to wear the hat right especially when there's other good receivers that's going to be doubled that third or

second guy is going to have a tough one-on-one matchup jesus you see where josh is looking he's looking right here he's going to see the double team and you'll see his helmet go right to isaiah and just a nice toss lay up you know romo was talking a lot about his elbow this game every time he missed the throw but he was on target, and he made a huge throw to Diggs late to win it, too. So he's fighting through it. Have you seen any, like, the elbow issue is going to obviously carry, but it feels like they have offense schemes, too.

You don't think it's an issue at all? Like, literally his first throw of the game, I think, was a back shoulder to Diggs. You saw the velocity. It was. You see he had, what, 80 yards yards rushing i don't think he slid once yep so if you have an elbow on your throwing arm regardless if it's a pain thing obviously i think he was off the injury report going into the week so i think the elbow is fine at this point whatever

he's shooting up with he's fine during game day this is a coverage meter right this play is that ken dorsey expecting the what they were doing there and calling the perfect play most like a lot of teams a lot of teams are getting to double double type things maybe he was just expecting midfield but this is also a read here this was third in i'm having this one this was like a third and medium so he's this is around the sticks area right so this double is going to happen around the sticks so they're probably expecting this coverage something probably lions do and then he just has to find 36. So he just has to find a matchup here. And Isaiah had a big game this game.

But on this gym, just running away from leverage. You see this a lot. It happened to Kenny Moore when the Eagles played the Colts. Similar coverage. I think it was Quez Watkins. Super fast. So fast. Yeah, just ran away from leverage.

It's tough when you run across that field. Hey, the Eagles kind of similar to the Chiefs in that thing, where just some, I don't want to say random quiz, but kind of random guy is just the fastest guy on the field all of a sudden, and then you're able to draw plays. Like, this is a beautifully designed play. That guy's going to be fucking wide open against that coverage. AJ, there ain't nothing you can do there, huh? Nothing you can do as a linebacker, maybe get smarter?

As D-Bud said, like, yeah, man, someone's got to wear the hat. You got to win that one-on-one. That's tough right there. Yeah, Chuck said it all the time. Somebody got to, man. Someone's got to wear the hat. You've got to win that one-on-one. That's tough right there. You hear Chuck say it all the time. Somebody's got to wear the hat. He had to wear the hat. D-Bud, Lions defense has actually gotten better since firing that DB's coach. Do you think it has anything to do with it or coincidence? No. It's got to be.

You're missing some starters. You're missing Okuda, obviously. They're playing well. In my opinion, I felt like they should have beat the Bills. Oh, yeah. A lot of people, you know, has things to say about MCDC and that deep ball on third and one. I didn't hate it personally. It was there.

It was a walk-in touchdown if Goff makes that throw. Goff missed some big throws in that game. Goff? No. This team is playing better. He's a knockout as a draft pick. Where's that D-back? Kirby Joseph.

Which one? Kirby Joseph? No, the guy who got fired from the Lions Is he Oh yeah that's right the Packers Picked him up the day after he got fired by the Lions Is that real Yeah That's awesome AJ did you know that

Mid-season Yeah mid-season Mid-season? Yeah. He's vacuuming. Yeah, mid-season. Mid-season. Yeah, sorry. I had to spill. His helmet here, though. You can just watch Josh Allen helmet just go through this progression. Boom.

See what's happening with Diggs. He knows, all right, that safety's down. Nobody's there. So, boop. Man. I don't even know if he looked at McKenzie. He just knew where he was going. Remember the last time the Lions were on here,

the double teams they had on Waddle and Tyreek Hill. Yeah. Compared to those both guys from Waddle. At least they were covered. Exactly. At least those were good double teams. That guy was trying to get fired. He knew he had a Green Bay job sitting on deck.

There were no expectations, even though Detroit's pretty low. What's going on with the Rams? Are they dead, huh? They're dead. They lose to the Chiefs. Everybody expected them to lose to the Chiefs. Yeah, and I think they obviously had a backup quarterback, third stringer playing in this game.

But, you know, Stafford, he's probably going to be shut down for the rest of the season with that concussion. Defense isn't playing well. This is actually 13 personnel, so one back, three tight ends, one, two, three tight ends. But Kelsey, we all know at this point, pretty much a receiver. Juju Smith up here. So on defense, this is man-to-man across the board.

And defensively, the Rams said, hey, we're going to put our best guy on their best guy. We're going to put Jalen Ramsey on Travis Kelsey. It's going to be too high safety, so you expect some help somewhere on Kelsey. But let it play. Juju Smith up top. He's just going to run two high safeties, so you expect some help somewhere on Kelsey. But let it play. Juju Smith up top. He's just going to run straight down the middle. And then you're going to have this one-on-one with Travis Kelsey. He's not the fastest.

He's not the quickest guy on the field. But he just knows how to get open. And any time Mahomes IDs man-to-man coverage, he knows he's going to this matchup because he's beating it. So, I mean, that route at the top, you can obviously see it from the wide copy. No safety help. Juju's running both of those safeties off. Jalen Ramsey, who, you know, making 20 a year, you feel comfortable

with him being one-on-one. He's running back, too. One thing about this dude, too, he's always ready to pitch that day. He's about to get tackled here. He looks back at Isaiah. He's ready to... He's ready to get tackled here, and he looks back at Isaiah. He's ready to – That would have been awesome. He's ready to – if he was probably four yards closer, he'd probably pitch it to him, but he ended up scoring.

How about a fake pitch as a juke? Quarterbacks use the pump fake like 10 yards down the field. Travis Kelsey's like, oh, I'll just fucking fake pitch it all day. Boom. Kelsey anytime TD, like that's, you know. Lock it in. Well, there for like four weeks it wasn't remember you see this from the back copy boom just watch at the top of this route

how come it feels like he's been beat so much this year I suppose all right so so you are you get him kind of tossing to the inside now he's outside leverage now he's setting them up with that outside stick he chases it in this good night Irene but the M is yet to his record he's he's as as good as they come He chases it in this goodnight Irene. And then his yak, too. He's as good as they come. A lot of people call him the GOAT at this point. Statistically, he's going to be the GOAT by the end of this year, let alone if he plays for another 2-3,

which probably could happen with how good a shape he is in and with the offense they're running. Why would you want to leave this dynasty? He's already restructured his contract to take a signing bonus to open up more cap space. Why would he not be the GOAT? Just because he doesn't block? Is that what they're saying? Because would you want to leave this dynasty? He's already restructured his contract, take a signing bonus to open up more cap space. Why would he not be the GOAT? Just because he doesn't block? Is that what they're saying?

Because he doesn't block as much? I mean, it's becoming such a past, you know, past first game that with his numbers, I think they'll be so astronomical. Then, what, he's already got one ring? If they win another ring, like, I think he'll kind of take over in that conversation. Right now, a lot of people get that extra grunt. You got Gonzo too, Tony Gonzalez.

Wow. But grunt was unbelievable in the run game as well. He stopped doing what he's doing on that kickoff show with those blankets because, you know, they're judging Kelsey against him, and they're saying Kelsey's soft, Kelsey doesn't block people, he's not in the run game. And then they're like, oh, we're judging him against a guy that has blankets on at 65 degrees on television when nobody else does? I just saying i love tony gonzo okay i think he's great

on uh everything he does and he was incredible as a tight end but whenever you start judging tight ends that's the only knock on kelsey is like he's not physical enough he doesn't he's not a road grader or whatever you're like it's hard for i think a whole generation of people to know tony gonz Gonzalez is maybe a road grader because every time we see him on TV, we think, that's the softest fucking guy that's ever graced the television right there. It makes no sense at all. He's retired now.

Living. Probably living in L.A., son. Living. Let's not hold the blankets against him. That's what I'm saying. I need to suck because this is, they're in New England? Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God.

Yeah, it's supposed to be snowing and everything. And the other problem with Tony Gonzalez is our Tony Gonzalez is an inside-the-park home run at the Democrat versus Republican baseball game. Not that guy who's on the pregame show. You're talking about Anthony Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez, yeah. No, that's Anthony Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez. That's Anthony Gonzalez whose political career is coming to an end here within about another month.

Damn. Good luck, Gonzo. Gonzo. He's going down as one of the greatest of all time. In the baseball game. That's right. Did he get gambling approval in Ohio? Yeah.

That was him. Thank you. Yeah, sure. Gonzo did that. Great legacy. Let him have that one. Hell yeah. Great legacy.

He found a way, and I guess this is a difficult thing to do. That's why he's the GOAT. And, AJ, correct me if I'm wrong. You're in Ohio there. He found a way to get all parties to hate him. That's right. That was awesome. Immediately upon getting elected, one party hates him.

Half of your party hates you because they wanted the other person that you were running against in there. Right. And then he somehow found a way of getting the rest of them to hate him as well so he didn't have any allies i don't think publicly i don't i don't think so and gonzo had to think a couple times what the fuck am i doing this for do you think that happened aj correct me if i'm wrong yes yes gonzo was working for like a startup in san fran before that and all of a sudden like i said dude i thought he was on a fast track to become the president and all of a sudden i realized that he was

Alright, good, Gonzo, you're too smart for that He should lobby for us Gonzo should just Try to enjoy his life I was going to say, he should go on a two year vacation Kick your feet up and relax Isn't that politics? Oh!

Oh! Oh! Not when you have Big Don, you know, calling you out by name, saying, this guy's a loser, don't listen to him. That stuff. Yeah. Bad. Anyways, that's Anthony Gonzalez.

Okay. Tony Gonzalez, great tight end for the Chiefs, for the Falcons. Mm-hmm. Incredible athlete, great TV commentator. Hall of Famer already? I believe so. Thoughts? Yeah. I just said. Hall of Famer already? I believe so. Yeah. Hall of Famer already?

Congrats to him, man. He ain't better than Kelsey. Plain and simple. He's not. Kelsey loves him. Kelsey talks about how much he's learned from Gonzo, as all tight ends probably have. Gronk is the one who I think everybody says is the guy.

They also don't ask Kelsey to be a road grader. That isn't his, you know, it's like, hey, go catch touchdowns. He will block, but they're not asking him to be a road grader. You said something to Antoine Bethea on Man to Man podcast about him. You're like, he's not that fast. He's seemingly, but he outruns people. He outruns people. He jukes people. Like, he's just a great football player.

You know what I mean? A lot of guys look great in shorts in a tee, but then when it's football time, he's going to get open. You can't run zone coverage. He's going to find a hole and then man coverage. It doesn't matter who you put on him. He beats corners, beats safeties, beats backers. And he's a dog.

Yeah, and he's a dog. Alright, let's roll. Cardinals, just utter confusion on the defensive side of the ball. DeAndre Carter's going to motion over. They got a corner bit. Pause it real quick. So I don't know how you guys used to do it, AJ, but whenever we had a corner blitz,

we always did it from the single, that single X side, especially if he was in cut split. But once we got two, that's when we would swap it to either this backer, he's coming over, or even the safety as he was down. But the Cardinals, they still send the corner. So pause it. So now it becomes confusion on, I guess, who's responsible for who. Because he runs over in motion. He believes he's responsible for number two and then this

safety since the corner is blitzing off who's originally number one that was the safety's responsibility both of these guys are going to end up on him Carter's going to end up wide open up the sideline and then I don't if you run it back real quick we had a a similar play from Baltimore earlier this year and they played if you run it back real quick, we had a similar play from Baltimore earlier this year. And they played, if you run it back a couple, pause it. Like, whatever defense you're playing, you can let it run forward a little bit. Whatever defense you're playing, you should never have this going on in the zone defense. So, some guys are fucked up with a simple, that's a simple motion.

That's a motion. The wheel right on that side was wide open. Every game. So you're in the middle of it down. This is kind of just, I don't know what's going on here. AJ, what's the deal whenever it's a corner blitz? Are you guys audibling out of that, changing the man who's blitzing so you can cover some people or no? Sometimes, though, if they motioned and get two on that side,

we would check out of that corner blitz, or you would replace Mike Simmons all of a sudden would come off the edge, and the two DBs would handle it. Yeah. So rule of thumb for me was you never send a corner blitz from a two-man side. So that's an attached tight end here. You got a tight receiver. But if it's two receivers, I don't want to blitz one of my best cover guys and then put two other guys on the two receivers.

You just don't do it. But this is whatever they were supposed to execute here, they didn't. Herbert finds them up the seam. So that's bad ball defensively, though. You make it too easy for a good quarterback. Cardinals are in disarray. Anybody watching in season? No.

No. Hard knocks, nobody's talking about it. Is Zetan watching? He watched the first episode. Yeah, I missed last week. And the week before that. How many weeks are there, Zeke? You've missed every one since the first one. There's been three episodes, I think.

Yeah, so you missed that last week and one before. I think we're the only ones. I've seen two. I think we're the only ones that think about watching. No, I think we're the only ones that even have somebody that watches. Yes, exactly. I wonder how it is. It's probably okay. Nobody knows it's happening. No, I think we were the only ones that even have somebody that watches. Yes, exactly. I wonder how it is.

It's probably okay. Nobody knows it's happening. Yeah. Nobody knows. And the thing with the Colts last year was they turned it on right when the season was starting. The Cardinals, if anything, have just more so dug their grave. It's over now already, and they're still – Are people still going to be open to hard knocks in the middle of the season? Because Colts are supposed to make a fucking Super Bowl run,

don't even make the playoffs. Cardinals are supposed to make a Super Bowl run, probably not even going to make the playoffs with this thing. Didn't the Colts say they hated it after? Well, I don't know. It depends on who it was, right? Because I think Chris Ballard hated everything about it, the GM. Like, hey, it's already hard enough to fucking win.

We got a quarterback that doesn't even know what he's doing. He's our fucking quarterback. We paid him $100 million. He's our fifth quarterback we fucking had. Like, doesn't want to do it at all. That's a normal thing. I think a lot of the players didn't mind it, though. Which, they were all buying it.

I saw a lot of segments, didn't you? I saw a lot of segments and shit. Yeah, you know how they do every episode. You know, they're keying on a couple players. But I would have hated it. Me too. As somebody who is natural on a microphone and doesn't mind content and everything like that,

I don't think I would have been the biggest fan of in-season. A lot. Yeah, because you're putting people in an interesting position. Because obviously everybody has respect for NFL films. NFL films like the 33rd owner. But also, we're trying to win some fucking games here. How many seasons do I have in my entire career?

I think that's going to continue to be a tough sell if they suck. But Hard Knocks during training camp has been a curse, people say. But the teams that qualify for Hard Knocks for training camp stink. Right. So is it the reason that the Hard Knocks is there that they lose, or is it they've qualified for Hard Knocks, so they're already going to lose for the training camp one so i'm cool with that regular season though colts are supposed to fucking go oh yeah they do not cardinals supposed to fucking go

they do not that's a tough first two seasons of in seasons hard knocks which is on what nights tuesday nights is it on tuesday yeah tuesdays i think i think it's wednesday because i wanted to watch on tuesday jesus see you threw me off. We're a pretty big football show. Preseason one is on Tuesdays. But, yeah, who knows. Didn't they say, though, that it's less intrusive in terms of people being in the – like they set this shit up. They set all the cameras up before the season starts during training camp.

So it's not like the training camp hard knocks where you just have bodies there all the time. Like it's all those robotic cameras. So guys forget that they're there outside of like the little vignettes that they do you know outside of the building on their off days what did kime say kime said it's okay if people feel like they have to act like their best selves or something like that because the cameras on started doing like what a movie yeah would do like the best thing i think it does potentially take away some some real genuine moments that could happen because people don't want to get caught up definitely in a moment.

You know, how would you you would like you would hate it, right? I mean, honestly, you probably forget about it to an extent. But then whenever it runs. Yeah. But then you get reminded. Yeah. So I understand the whole camera. You kind of do get used. I was a part of a reality show before and after probably the first week or so, you kind of get used to it. It was a reality show. It was actually with Coach Prime, Coach Dion. Prime U. We were training for the combine.

It was me and five, six other guys training out in Dallas with Dion. That's awesome. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, we never heard of this. I mean, that was 2009. How'd you do? Were you awesome in there? I'd really watched it back.

Didn't want to? No, it was fun, though. It was fun. You enjoyed Prime, though, as a coach? Yeah, loved him. It was, he was, he took us to church, took us to his house, trained him. Guys would come in. Pac-Man would come in.

Other guys that were training with him in the off seasons. But you just, you know, you got to see some of his old fucking, he still got a whole thing of tapes that he used to watch. But he was awesome. Loves coaching, though. Loves coaching, yeah. He didn't like coaching like DBs at that time. And obviously, if you're an all-time great, it's easier.

So he went more so to the offensive side. But with us, it was just DB work, field work. Then you know the other shit that goes into combine training as well. But it was fun, though. It was cool. Him, the speeches he gives in his team meetings like i think what people i don't know what people would think from prime to be a head coach of a team he's fucking he holds people accountable he's like a hard i don't want to say he's a hard ass coach because i think his coach his players love him or whatever but he's like attentive

accountable hard i want to like kind of a hard edge but he has his own way to i but he's like attentive, accountable, hard at, I want to like kind of a hard edge, but he has his own way to it. I think he's a fucking great coach. I, that's why I asked him on game day. Like, why are you doing like, I understand you're a great coach, big sacrifice, but D you can be great. Dion can be great at fucking anything. Dion could be great at any, I firmly believe that he could be good at anything, which is what I was trying to tell him in my question on game day. Like, uh, you're better than everybody at baseball you're better than everybody at football if you want to be a preacher man you probably be the fucking number one preacher man in the world if you wanted to you make incredible content you get into the punditry world if you

wanted to he was a star on nfl network when they used to do that prime yeah the post game was ball you get the call yeah you're on deon's call like he could be great at literally anything i think he said why are you choosing to do this and he's like well he's in youth this and he got into this and it's probably it's because of his kids obviously you're in there right now but he's fucking great i think he's great at it and they win yeah and everything he does i'm surprised it's not more i guess cincinnati colorado and usf are the three schools that have been talking to him he's been very transparent with all his players too which is probably the right way to go but the right way you know be real with them They know what it is.

But Cardinals, if they suck the rest of the year, which seemingly staring down the barrel of that, next year, Hard Knocks in-season might have a tough home to find. But it is NFL films everybody has respect for. Just do the lines. They don't care. Go Bears. Bear down.

Bear down. Here we go. Mike White. This is one of his touchdowns from Sunday. So this is cover three. Oh, come on. Something we've been seeing and talking about all year long. And what we always say for the underneath defenders is you want to play things top down. This is a route concept that you're going to see every week almost. Outside flood, deep breaker.

He's going to run them off. Then you're going to have a flat route. Pause real quick. One rule of thumb. Now, it is third and four here, third and five. deep breaker he's going to run him off then you're going to have a flat route pause real quick one rule of thumb now it is what third and four here third and five but one kind of rule of thumb here if you're in zone coverage and you're a flat defender in a true zone coverage if there's one in front of you nine times out of ten is one behind you so this is this is pretty much this here and he's playing deep third but kind of he's playing it pretty much like man so if it was anybody can come off on this elijah moore outbreaking seven route it'll be this corner

or him playing it top down and just discouraging it but he plays it too snug to that flat route easy read for mike white and elijah moore we had elijah moore sighting finally this year so i know he's happy if anybody else is about this change. I can't see the read for him. He's just looking at that flat defender. If he's deep, I'll throw it to the check down. If not, bing. That's the one I want. From what you saw, is Mike White going to be able to continue to ball? The thing about younger quarterbacks, obviously he has the talent, and the offense is about knowing where to go pre-snap

and then making the reads post-snap. But the thing about him, it won't get him this game, but coming out. And if he's watching this, coming out, first thing I look for as a quarterback is, is he a full field read guy or is he a half field read guy? And all the greats are going to go from boom, boom, boom, boom. For him, it's here. And it was there a lot of times, playing a lot of backups with the Bears to go from boom, boom, boom, boom. For him, it's like it's here. And it was there a lot of times, you know, playing a lot of backups with the Bears.

It was there, and he makes the reads. He makes the throws. Playing that sorry-ass Bears team. But as you go on and play tougher opponents, you know, with savvier players, they're going to know, okay, he gives me that first look. Okay, let me just beeline to where he's going to make a play. So if he can adjust, and this is what reps is. He's still a young player as far as in the league goes,

so the potential is there, but that's where he'll have to take next step. Is that what people say, getting tape on somebody? Exactly. Because there isn't a lot of tape on Mike White. But once the vets, the savvy guys start seeing it, it's like, hey, he's only looking at half the field or whatever. Now the Devontae Adams play could happen where he beats the Broncos, where he ends up going the opposite direction or whatever maybe

that'll take place but that's what people mean whenever they're getting tape on somebody aj you smoking cigars i thought you quit freedom of recovery addiction also brand a book tomorrow i haven't read the book yet maybe after i read that all right so that's basically you know him playing this low to high uh this is the it's a different order we can go here though no what do you want 49ers Actually 49ers Yeah that first Fred Warner tackle Okay perfect

This is AJ's favorite player So As far as Off ball linebacker Best in the league Always in the right Always in the right place He can blitz

He flies around At an unbelievable speed You know 9-7 5-4 And 2-9 Kind of set the tone For this defense

But great players And obviously a great coordinator. But this is – everything they do is simple. So it's some pre-snap communication, but it's going to be kind of the opposite of what we saw with the Jets, obviously a different play. But you want to invite checkdowns if you're in a zone defense. And this is what they do a lot of times, zone defense. So this is a simple routine play.

I won't make a highlight tape. But you're inviting this check down, and then watch these guys' reaction when when that throw when that check down comes so boom i'm set like he like before the ball is even caught like so it's like this is once again first and ten this is a routine drive start and play but this is how you have one of the best defense in the national football league is just doing what you do over and over again, being consistent with it. But that's who this player is every Sunday. Every Sunday.

Is there anyone close to him? Or was, like, Darius Leonard kind of the closest comparison? Darius Leonard, he's a different animal in my opinion. He's more of a splash player as far as, like, what he does different than anyone else that I've seen is every game he's going to end up with the ball in his hand. Shaq Leonard? Yeah, Shaq Leonard. It's going to be a pick.

It's going to be a forced fumble. It's going to be something. And then the plays in between, he's a very good player as well. But the difference between, I would say, him and Fred Warner is Fred Warner is kind of like that guy who's always going to be in that right spot. I'm not saying that Shaq Leonard isn't, but foul forward is always going to be there. And he knows his defense inside and out, so he knows how it's going to be attacked. And you can just see his read.

I mean, I've seen this guy damn near break up screen passes, you know, four yards in the backfield. So that's just the tempo he plays at. He sets the tone for his defense. AJ, what are your thoughts on Fred? He's amazing. I mean, all three of those guys in in their like their little drops you see him to get to almost the sticks and you hear coaches say you break on intentions like the

quarterback's intentions watch Fred's eyes he's already breaking before the ball was even cocked from the old red rocket back there like that's coaches freak out when if you're playing like a spot drop coverage and you kind of float and you kind of wait to break but these guys obviously are well coached and have repped this 10 million times in the very discipline to like hey we're going to be eyes on the quarterback we're breaking from the sticks down yeah and the difference is in this play if these guys float and you get these backs like kamar like yak so once really run a little bit so boom once that throws that they're still fainting it's not even just him like he says him him everybody's rallying so so boom, once that throws, they're still fainting. It's not just him. Like you said, it's him, him.

Everybody's rallying. So these guys are not only tackling, but they're tackling with leverage. He's going and sawing them off inside out. He's outside in. But the difference is if you're back here and he's able to catch that ball and square you up, nine times out of ten, these guys are making you miss one-on-one. It may not go home run, but that may be a seven-yard gain on second and three instead of second and ten so that that's how you play great defense in the national football

league and then the next play hold on hold on hold on fred warner strength right strength left strength left right that's what's he saying there so right that was probably a close he's probably a close call you got 12 personnel is john is johnson a end? I think he's a tight end. Yeah, Juwan Johnson, yeah. Yeah, so you got two tight ends here. So he's probably running back all the way back. What I would assume is he's saying close left, close left, and then close right. But that's what I would assume.

Is that because Troutman's next to the tackle and Juwan Johnson's kind of split out a little? Well, coming into the week, if it's a two tight end set, we're going to close it to a certain tight end. I wonder if this fucking guy changes anything. Seven? Taysom?

Depends on what they classify him as. He can be treated as a tight end. He can be treated as a receiver. What would you call it, 13 hill or something? They usually give a name for it. Yeah, this is probably 13 little or 13 speed, something like that. And what's he saying to the D-line here? Just move your fucking ass?

It looks like he's, what do you call it? Right to the left. It's going to be Bo or Boston. Oh. It'd be Boston to the strength, I guess. This is all that shit we talked about on that slide. The close call, the down call. Look at the communication.

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot. A lot is happening here. Every player. That's awesome. This is standard first and ten, right? This is just a first and ten. Like I said, this play will not be on a highlight clip,

but this is what makes a great defense. Like I always say, quiet defense is a dead defense. This is the exact opposite of a corner. Corners, everybody is communicating. So no one's confused. Even if you don't know what the fuck is going on, you're going to be hearing it. And then the guys up front who can't look back, they're getting verbal communication. But you see verbal and nonverbal communication.

That's essential in defense because they're at home, so it's probably loud. And then, boom, just start that right back over again for second down. And then the next play is going to be the same thing. And Tua Fonga was directing guys in the secondary. Tell me your point about Fred Warner and Bosa. The next Niners play that. Hufanga.

I don't know. Hufanga. I don't know. Good player. 29. I don't believe we have Hufanga on here.

If not. This is why Here we go. Hufanga. Oh, it's titled Saints. Okay. Well, yeah.

All right. So this is best scoring defense in's titled Saints. Okay. Well, yeah. All right. So this is best scoring defense in the league, too. But just let this play. Defenses, coaches always talk about defending every blade of grass. Kamara's going to get this. Once again, zone coverage. Everyone on the string. And once this ball comes out, it's going to come out in the flat.

You're going to see a vice tackle. He's going to hit him and hold him up. He's going to come in. Boom. One-yard line. Boom. One-yard line. Secure that shutout. Coaches say come out in the flat. You're going to see a vice tackle. He's going to hit him and hold him up. He's going to come in. Boom. One yard line. One yard line. Ball's up. Coaches say this shit. Defend every blade of grass.

This is the epitome of that. Saints had two opportunities in the red area to score. What's that? They had a lot. They fucked up a lot. That game could have went the other way. 13-zip. Fred Warner had another forced fumble in this game, too. Kamara had a tough day.

Tough game. Me and Gertie's first-round pick. Fantasy. Oh, yeah. Tough game. Hey, doesn't it hold him, though? Hold him up. Yeah.

This is an actual thing. Hold his ass up. Yeah. And then somebody else come in and get the ball. And little Paul Moller goes. Boom. Bang. Shoulder on him.

Bang, bang. And then that guy has a touchdown. Oh. You know what? You know what? Kamara is holding his arm, too. Yeah. He lost two phones, didn't he?

Yeah, he lost two phones. Messi has zero goals. Argentina is up two. I didn't miss. What? Hey, I tell you what. Messi is trying hard. I've had it on.

Like, that dude is trying. Like, you can tell he is. He's had a few I've had it on. Like, that dude is trying. Like, you can tell he is. He's had a few shots on goal. He's been chugging. He just can't find a goal. Shisholsky. Yeah.

Yeah, Pete Shisholsky. You just let this one play. We're not even going to talk about really the coverage. We're going to talk about something we had a couple weeks ago when Pat P had that interception. As far as when Jalen Hurts breaks his pocket. Remember that push out? Oh, yeah. Get him out of bounds. Watch Rudy Ford.

Watch Jair. Oh, yeah. So, Rudy gets him out. bounds watch rudy for watch jair oh yeah so rudy gets him out jair doesn't but this is plaster right you gotta whatever the play is fuck the play fuck the route concept now you just have to find your guy plaster you'll see the push out up top get out of bounds he doesn't get it but he keeps running makes the play anyway obviously missed the throw but that's just that rule db's executing that rule knowing once again when that quarterback breaks that tackle box, you can push a guy to bounce. You can chuck a guy. Just can't hold him.

How about Green Bay knowing the rules? Yeah. That's huge. That's because that DB coach came from Detroit. Yeah, that's right. They gave up 40 points still, but, you know, yeah. But on the ground. On the ground.

Not in the secondary. It's that fourth and one play that Kyler talked about being schematically fucked. I don't know. It looked like there was definitely some confusion here. Hollywood was blocking. The tight end comes out like it's a pick route. It's obviously a fake run, but it's zero blitz. So all these guys are one-on-one.

Derwin James, he comes up early, but then does a good job just getting his head around. Ben on, shit, that's the number one receiver. One of the best receivers in the league. But you see Kyler's confused. Boom, throws it up. Could have gave him a better ball, I think, shit that's the number one receiver one of the best receivers in the league but you see Kyle is confused boom throws it up could have gave him a better ball I think

but that's a great play great play from Derwin James forced down batted down to get better field position fuck that what is he doing

come on Derwin get that tater that's Oski keep that ball forever too damn right give me that ice unbelievable

schematically fucked schematically fucked I mean because of the throw because the team didn't know how to play or Forever, too. Damn right. Give me that. Ice. Unbelievable. Schematically fucked. Schematically fucked. I mean, you could throw a barrel or two. Because the team didn't know how to play? Hey, it's ugly in Arizona right now. It is. They got to get it together, man.

Or a couple people are going to be moving. Kyle is going to be there, obviously. Can't wait for hard knocks this week. Yeah, that's right. It's tonight. Or yesterday. When do you get your head around to go make a play? Could be tomorrow.

Good job. Good job, Darwin. Next play, scramble drill once again. Watch D. Slade. D. Slade, scramble drill. This is what Aaron has been great at his whole career. Breaking tackles, breaking sacks, extending plays. But just watch DeSlay, Stan Lazard's hip pocket, bats the ball up, J. Scott goes up and bats it. So that's textbook.

I mean, this is hard to do because you can't – you try to practice this, you know, if you're playing against A-Rod, if you're playing against Big Ben, you say, all right, we're going to have a scramble drill, period. But it's never the same what you're going to see on game day. So, great job by everybody. If you pause it, like everybody's Watson, Tanyan. Glued to him. Glued. Like everybody's strapped up.

So, it's really nowhere. I mean, he can throw his ball maybe out above, but, you know, great play from Big Play Slay. A lot of dogs out there in Philadelphia Eagles defense. And bam, off the face. Bam, make a catch. Darius Slay has played against Aaron Rodgers 23 times, 24 times. Doesn't have a pick,

but he does have an alley-oop right here. Off his face. He said he wants a Mount Rushmore ball from Aaron. I wonder if old buddy is split in half with him. It's going to be tough to beat those Johns in Philly with all the Johns in Philly in the playoffs. Yeah, especially with the way them Johns are playing.

Boom. I think that's it. That's good coverage. Hey, thank you, DB. Thank you, DB. Could have been more fun, but I don't know. That was crazy good, bro. That's fucking boring, man. What is your problem was crazy good, bro. That's boring, man.

What is your problem? Thank you, DB. Thank you, DB. You made those putts earlier. We're doing a giveaway already. We had a Wednesday. We announced the winners from the last week of giveaways. I think we've had a program.

Now we're all in store for our That's Hockey Talk tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern, youtube.com forward slash that'shockeytalk, and a hammer which might run from 4 to 8 o'clock because of how many games there are to be chatted about and to bet on. Can't wait to watch Tone. Can't wait to watch Nick and Rupp and Gumpy and obviously Bruce and Mitt, DB. Great work today.

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