The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 841 - Frank Reich Hired As Carolina Panthers Head Coach, Greg Olsen, Everything DB With Darius Butler & Chuck Pagano LIVE From The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, Chuck Pagano, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about this weekend’s AFC and NFC Championship round matchups, along with the breaking news that Frank Reich has been hired by the Carolina Panthers to be Head Coach and Nathaniel Hackett has been hired by the New York Jets to be Offensive Coordinator. Joining the progrum is 2x All-Pro, 3x Pro Bowler, and Fox #1 booth Color Commentator, Greg Olsen, to chat about how good he is in the booth, making it difficult to bench him with Tom Brady’s looming contract, his preparation for games, if it’s a job he can see himself doing for the next 20 years, his thoughts on the Cam Newton/Josh Allen debate, and much much more (29:58-1:10:50). Later, 9 year NFL veteran at Defensive Back, Darius Butler (along with Coach Chuck Pagano) breaks down the best DB plays of the Divisional Playoffs in this week’s installment of Everything DB (1:58:01-2:31:46). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the FanDuel Thunderdome. On this Coach P Thursday, January 26, 2023, this sports show starts now. Football! Hey, we got a big one and we got some big news in the football world to dissect today. We'll be breaking it all down. We got a new offensive coordinator in New York that we will certainly talk about. What are the implications of that going forward? Is this all to get another player to join the New York Jets possibly? And how about a little bit of a line movement in the AFC Championship?

Over the last 24 hours, there has been a two-and-a-half point swing in the Bengals-Chiefs matchup this weekend and a replay of last year's AFC Championship in which the Bengals were able to go into Kansas City and get a big-time win. Now, obviously, the players of Kansas City are hearing about Arrowhead being called Burrow. Now, granted, that's on the sideline while they're celebrating a big-time win over the Buffalo Bills in the Buffalo Bills' house, and they're shit-talking, and now it's being taken as if it's like media reporting, and they drew it up on their Twitter accounts.

Not that Eli Apple hasn't done that or won't do that again, but this has become a massive rivalry, a massive game. And with the appearance of Patrick Mahomes being able to walk off from his press conference and then stretch one-legged, bending over hamstring stretches in the calisthenics portion of practice yesterday, seemingly not being held back at all. Patrick Mahomes about 80%, it looks like, 70%. Who knows what he's going to be

at by Sunday, by Wednesday. He's already a full participant. The books realize that. The Chiefs are now again favored at home against the Cincinnati Bengals. And this is something that I think we all assumed would be the case because it's the Kansas City Chiefs. But then you see, there we go, the Chiefs

favored by one at home. Earlier today, Moneyline was better odds for the Chiefs, and the Bengals were still being favored. Now the points have matched the Moneyline. You still have odds to win a Super Bowl. The Chiefs have plus 280 or 380. 280, I believe. Plus 280.

Yeah, there it is. And the Bengals are plus 260. So they haven't changed this yet. So it's been a little bit of a slow turn in this game. And I think it all revolves around the people betting on the Kansas City Chiefs now that they see that Patrick Mahomes can move. Because the big question mark was, if Patrick can't be showtime, are the Chiefs going to be able to do their thing against this Cincinnati Bengals defense? And Joe Burrow and that offense have so many weapons, they seemingly haven't blinked ever. So will they be able to be stopped?

And will Patrick Mahomes be able to do what Patrick Mahomes does? Now, I think the stat that they're putting on ESPN is that the Chiefs are 10-0 when Patrick Mahomes throws 90% of his passes from the pocket. So that's a pretty good stat. I think that would go in line with what Aaron Rodgers said on Tuesday, which is like, Patrick Mahomes is very good from the pocket. So the conversation on whether or not the Chiefs could win if Patrick Mahomes couldn't extend plays and make the magic that he makes,

I think he was trying to say that's not really a good convo because they're even better when he's just in the pocket. But him being able to extend plays is what makes a must-watch. And it appears if he'll be able to do that, we've got a great weekend in the championship sunday coming up and we are so damn excited to be here we can't thank you enough for joining us joining me the toxic table at boston connor at ty schmidt connor you look sweet today i appreciate that i figured you know we're close to the super bowl now i got this one last year after you know adrian

peterson decided he wanted the one i was wearing and i said you know what i'll just wear this one he did say what size is that? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. He said, those are my size. Yeah. And then he said, actually, don't put it on me. And then he got way too hot wearing it. Yeah, 10, 15 minutes later.

I'll never forget. I'll never forget. I walked into, I forget what. It was kind of earlier in my SmackDown run when I was commentating for him. And Street Profits, you know, they go, oh, what size shoes are those? I said, not yours, man. Just kept on walking. You, as soon as Adrian Peters says, what size is that?

Who says? About your size. Yeah, you. That thing is gone. One of the nicest jackets we've ever seen. Conor was so happy as soon as he bought this jacket in L.A. from a thrift store or whatever. Big smile on his face.

Wore it to Radio Row the next day. He was going to be 700 degrees in that thing, but he loved how much. What? Adrian was the first guest that day. Yep.A. from a thrift store or whatever. Big smile on his face. Wore it to Radio Row the next day. He was going to be 700 degrees in that thing, but he loved how much. What, Adrian was the first guest that day? Yep. Yeah. First guest of the day. Adrian, that's nice. What size is that?

Cool jacket. It looks like it's your size. Connor takes it off. It is, isn't it? Yeah, I think I will have it. Adrian sits down in that thing, and then we watch that thing get carried around from every interview he does for the rest of Radio Row. You had to buy another one.

It looks good. I think this one's just as nice yeah i guess you know it's black and white which kind of goes with everything but the other one had a different design it had you know a lot of yellow blue there's a bunch of different yeah it was right out of your cluster fuck exactly it was more so me but this one does the trick and i'm sure we'll get another one in arizona i don't know i don't know how many thrift shops they get out there in arizona but i do know that when we were out in la we had a great time yeah we did had those wheels things instead of bird scooters awesome fucking mesa type and look things in phoenix that's one half of the hammer damn cowboys tone digs i'm excited to get out to the radio row yeah we're gonna be out there monday through friday here we go i believe we'll be the only ones there on monday

for sure only reason why we're there on monday though, is because I'll be at the Pro Bowl on Sunday in Vegas. Vegas to Arizona is just like a 45-minute flight, not even. Vegas to Indiana is three and a half, four hours. So, like, do I want to do that to do that? No. Do the whole thing. So we're just going to be out there. We're going to watch Radio Row get built on Monday.

I can't wait to get out there. Yeah. Juice, though. The guest lineups that we are starting to stack, pretty hilarious. Oh, yeah. I believe there's a wide two. Really? I believe. Not 100% sure.

I believe we're going to have some big time. Some legends, some Hall of Famers are going to stop by. Hopefully we'll get hopefully we'll be able to end the week the same way we ended last year. Some will be out. I haven't seen that thing in a couple months. Yeah, you're right.

Arizona will have the sun. Indiana does have any of that. But before then, we've got to talk about these championship games with our great guest today, hosting the Man to Man podcast and everything DB, which will be happening today. Nine-year NFL vet, played corner, nickel, and safety. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Dibud. Yeah, Dibud.

Dibud, you've been getting in good shape, Bob. You've been looking good. Trying to. Trying to get there. Playing a lot of hoops. Yeah, aarius J. Butler. Yeah, D-Bud! D-Bud, you've been getting in good shape, Bob. You've been looking good. Trying to, trying to get there. Playing a lot of hoops? Yeah, a lot of hoops. I've seen you play a lot of basketball. A little bit. Not enough.

What do you mean? Not enough. You know, a lot going on in football season, a lot of moving around. Not making any excuses, but just not at my, where I'm usually at. Oh, you're not at your peak basketball-wise? Yeah, my peak right now.

Excuses for what, D-Bot? Oh, that's Evan Foxy in the back there. What's he talking about? Have people, is he behind the glass? Also, Nicky Nuzini and Dirty back there. What do you think Darius is talking about there, Foxy? I don't know, because I've always been told he's a great basketball player, so why would he need an excuse for something?

I'm very confused by that. Yeah, he is a great basketball player. He is an incredible basketball player. Very good. Very good basketball player. Did people get got-got? Well, I mean, first of all, let's rewind a little bit. That's interesting coming from Fox.

I was going to say, I've watched you guys play one-on-one. I've only played one guy. Oh, I actually played JC, too. Undefeated. Undefeated one-on-one. Let me just put that out there first. I watched you cook yesterday, too. I watched it.

Why didn't you ask us that? But shooting games. Oh. Me and Connor. What happened? You know, my fellow mass hole. I was a mass hole for two years, too. You guys got to ask it.

You handed it out to us. Who? Oh, me and Foxy? Oh. That's our game, though. That's our game. We led the day in most points scored. At least we had the highest score in game.

I mean, we can accept that as a victory. You're right. Small wins. 56 points. Small wins. That won't get touched ever. We have a game that is carried from the old office into the new office. Actually, first time we played it was just two days ago.

We completely forgot about the game until we started playing it here. And it's 33, basically, a three-point shooting game and a tips game underneath. So you get a little bit of a sweat, a little bit of athleticism, a little bit of competitive juices, and also a little bit of, oh, got to make this shot. You know, like, oh, got to make this shot. There's a little bit of sweat, a little bit of athleticism, a little bit of competitive juices, and also a little bit of gotta make this shot. There's a little bit of that in there. But you're not going to be wide open, pull a hammy or anything. Perfect game.

Me and Foxy are going to be tough to beat, I think, for the rest of the way, probably. We won one. Let's not get crazy. But you and Foxy are definitely the two best shooters in the office. I mean, let's not get crazy. But you and Foxy are definitely the two best shooters in the office. I mean, I would hope you guys come out favored. Well, listen, everybody has their day.

This guy could be in the fucking NBA. I've never claimed I'm not a shooter. I'm a scorer. So we're making it better right now. Oh, absolutely. We should do a dunk contest. You and D-Butt versus you and Foxy, and then we'll see who wins. All right.

Give me like, I need about a month and a half. Yeah, I need about 15 years to go. So I don't know if I'm going to be dunking. I need to lose weight. I need to get under 225. Foxy dunked yesterday. I saw that. Well, I think down, so I don't know how our, this one's not at 10 feet.

No. So everybody's been throwing at 9. I don't know if it's the amount of footballs that have just been hitting it or the basketballs that have been hitting it. But, I mean, that is certainly part of the problem and why I probably haven't made one in a while. Could be. It's a half inch short.

It's like Hoosiers motherfucker got the thing out there. But we've been battling in here. No, yesterday after the show ended, there was some sweat over here, some real competition. And Deebo, we've appreciated you all year coming in here, just like we've appreciated this band who comes in here every single week, has flown in in beautiful fashion, hasn't he?

Oh, yeah. Always looking good. He was in an airport, I think, for like we've appreciated this band, who comes in here every single week, has flown in in beautiful fashion, hasn't he? Oh, yeah. Always looking good. He was even in an airport, I think, for like eight hours one time. Still persevered, got through, because grit is not just a chip. No, no, it's a way of life. Ladies and gentlemen, our coach. Coach, we're going. Yay!

Coach! All right, Coach, let's start diving into some of this stuff. How are you doing? I'm good. Probably not a game for me, the hoop deal, probably, knowing my history. I don't know. Probably won't get invited to be a team, part of anybody's team. I don't think so.

As far as 33 goes. Well, we change the rules there for some people. Like, for instance, not everybody's used to shooting an NBA 3 whenever they come in here. Yeah. So you change it to, like, you get to step inside. Like, AQ, I offered up a chance to step inside the three-point line. Like you could just shoot like a little bit closer if you want to.

He got greatly offended. Rightfully so. Greatly offended. And then he lost five straight games. You know, it was like I'm just trying to help. We don't need pride here. Just need a little good competition. Chuck, if you want to go in a little closer, I'm sure you can find a teammate.

We'd love to see you out there. Jim put me five feet in front of the free throw i saw that and the basket still looked like what was it a million it was a was it a million for a donation 30 total shots and you had to make 10 for 100 000 each to move on to the second one which was like five for 500 000 and then three for a million within that 30. And it took me 25 of the 30 to get 10 free throws. And this was at Chuck Strong Gala, which was being held at his house, Jim Mercy's house.

This is the first one that's ever been just at his house. But no heads up. No heads up. Oh, no warm-ups. I get a call, hey, how you doing, coach? I'm by the pool, and he's somewhere in the house. Bathroom. Bathroom, taking a shit. No. Yeah, he's taking a shit. No, no, no. Yeah, just like what he's somewhere in the house. Bathroom. Bathroom, taking a shit.

No. Yeah, he's taking a shit. No, no, no, no. Yeah, just like what he did with McDaniels. He was lifting weights. You remember. He goes, so how are you doing? It's good to have you.

Are you in good health? Anything hurt? So like right then, this was before the gala started, right? So I'm thinking, okay, something's up. Then Pete came up to me. Are you doing good everything you know working and i'm like is he gonna put me in the pool am i gonna do laps am i gonna do and then next thing you know i'm on the free throw line with tons of people standing

around i had no chance 100 500 000 and a million yeah and then he was filming it too i think the entire time right yeah i mean it was it was ridiculous yeah i think i if i do i don't know how i got the video was not the public video i don't think i think i got a private video where there's joe right yeah i think there was some commentating going on joe rights was there so he's the hoopster so he's trying to coach me up hey you got to use your lower body because here it is i was like that that's pretty good lead scorer in western michigan history there, Joe Rice. Is he really? Basketball? Underneath.

He's a white Indiana man. He knows how to shoot a basketball. By the grace of God, one of the million dollars went in there. And you should have seen how pissed the IU people were at me. Because it could have been. 30 million. It could have been. 30 million.

We could have took him for 10 million. It was a good night. I think there's been enough money. He is incredibly generous. And let's talk about Jim Mercy. You just gave an incredible impression of him there. Are you healthy? What do you think he's saying right now?

They've interviewed 500 people for the head coaching job. Now there's reports, mixed reports coming out. Jim wants Jeff Saturday. Other people in the decision don't want Jeff Saturday. They want somebody else. So now automatically, publicly, there's already friction. So are we going to get this right? You think there's any chance that this gets fixed, gets right? And do you think Chris Ballard is going to be on board with whoever? Because Jim's not a part of these interviews, right? Jim's just part of like the next ones or whatever.

They're having second interviews with seven guys. We don't know who they are. We think we know who they are. We think we know who they are, but they haven't fully been publicly placed. Some of them have been celebrated as second interview. Some of them we've heard have kind of slipped under the radar potentially, not being reported. Who knows how many people it is. How is that process going, you think?

And do you love or hate the fact, I'll let you know my answer, I hate it. That there is reports now coming out that there's dissension amongst Jim Irsay and the front office. It's like, we don't need this before the fucking coach is hired. Let alone, this can come after the coach is hired and some shit has happened. Before it's even happened, we can't have this happen. Do you think that's fake rumors? Do you think that's real? And how do you think the process is going?

Because obviously you've been through this process with this exact team before. Well, they're just going into the second round. So they haven't had a lot of in-person. I think most of these were virtual, and there was, what, 14 or 15 guys? So this is kind of a crazy cycle this year. Like, everybody's slow. Nobody's been hired yet. Sean Payton's out, they said.

So Sean probably maybe priced himself out, you know, or whatever. From a demand standpoint, you think about, like, the Saints. Saints wanted two first-round picks, a second round they wanted cash, and then you're going to have to pay them $25 million. There's a lot of people that would say, okay, we either don't have the ability. Yeah, let's revisit this, and let's get D'Amico back in here, and let's get Dan Quinn back in here. So Jim hasn't been a part of the initial ones.

He'll get involved probably with the second-round group, whether it's five, seven, you know, who knows. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that are frustrated with how long this is taking. Everybody wants to know who's going to be the guy. Is it going to be Jeff? We all know Jim's affinity for Jeff and his love for Jeff and all

that stuff. I think the longer it goes, his odds just keep going up. Jeff's do. But they've got a lot of good candidates. Supposedly Dan Quinn is supposed to be coming in again for a Saturday interview here or a second interview. He got Atlanta to the Super Bowl.

And then afterwards not good at all, right? No. Yeah, well, any 28-3 loss will, you know, put that entire franchise into turmoil. Okay, they were in the Super Bowl. It's true, but he was the Legion of Boom, right? Remember this, though. Remember this.

Who was the offensive coordinator on that team? Kyle Shanahan. Pretty good. And he's done pretty good. So I think second time around, you know, guy gets an opportunity. You learn a lot from the first one. A lot of mistakes made, a lot of good,

a lot of bad, whatever. So I think Dan, I think Dan Quinn is, is Jeff Saturday there. First time around, a lot of mistakes came up. We're up there.

Yeah. I think I was talking about Dan. Oh, you know, first. Yeah. He's still in his first interview. Really? He had the longest interview of all.

It was like whatever the last seven, eight weeks of the season. One and seven, right? Yeah. It was not. Yeah, beat the Raiders, though. That's right. It was kind of like one and eight, though, because that 33-0 comeback was almost like two losses. I don't think so.

Yeah, because they won the game during the game. No. And then they lost that game, and they lost the game overall. That's like a half of a loss, I think, more so than a double loss. Like one and seven and a half. 33-zip over the fucking Vikings. Vikings are a great team. For sure.

Up over the Cowboys. Cowboys, great team. Yeah. They fucking obviously beat the Raiders. Great team. Good football team. Great football team. Yeah.

That was before they stopped letting their quarterback in the building. That's right. Yeah. There seems to be a lot of fucking just bullshit going on. I don't like it. I just want to let you know of fucking just bullshit going on. I don't like it. I just want to let you know, as a Colts fan, I don't like it. But if you look at who's representing who, all offensive coaches are the successful coaches right now.

They're the ones that are left pretty much. Defensive coaches have had success, obviously, in the past. Dan Quinn had success. Numerous people. Tomlins obviously had massive amounts of success. Vrabel has had success. But right now it seems to be the offensive-minded coaches are the ones having the success. I think it's because once you have success, you lose Shanahan. Shanahan's gone. Like in the modern NFL,

if you have a good offense coordinator and he's not the head coach, he's going to go get another job somewhere. Look at McVeigh's tree. Pretty good. And he's only been coaching, what, five, six years? 17 was his first season? And it stinks that the Rams stink because it kind of goes against this, but if you keep the offensive guru at the head coach, you don't have to worry about the offensive coordinator leaving. Like Andy Reid, if Eric Bien-Ami would have been hired over the last, what, five years, Andy Reid still,

the offense isn't just falling off the fucking, off the face of the earth. So Bien-Ami, you talk talk about who knows Bien-Ami better than Chris Ballard yeah because he was with the Chiefs before so hold on Chris Ballard is doing the Colts head coaching search right now so this means that Jim Irsay thinks Chris Ballard is going to be around

for a long time right because he's putting the trust of the entire franchise he's in that conversation right Eric is along with everybody else. So, you know, and Eric's, you know, Bien-Ami's had a bunch of chances, right, over the last three or four cycles. He's been in a bunch of interviews and opportunities, and it just hasn't worked out to this point.

So I wouldn't count him out as a potential guy there just because of what Ballard knows in that relationship maybe and getting a guy that he knows and trusts. Got you. Coach, Jim's calling you right now. Yeah, I believe maybe and getting a guy that he knows and trusts. Got you. Coach, Jim's calling you right now. Yeah, I believe you're getting a phone call right now. I literally hear a brrrr on your thing. It might be Jim Irsay calling to let you know who it is.

I'm going to have some breaking news. How do you feel, John, with the boss? What's up, Tina? No, no, Jim. Oh, Jim. Could you imagine you answering, brother, will you shut up on that show, brother? Will you tell him nobody's having any dysfunction, bro?

It's a fascinating thing because Sean Payton allegedly out now. He was the bell of the ball just, what, four days ago. Now they're reporting that there's no seat left at the table for him. A head coaching job is a massive role. Nathaniel Hackett gets the offense coordinator gig for the New York Jets. This is obviously huge. The reason why the Jets fans think this is even bigger is because their first reaction is, oh, Rodgers loves Hackett.

Bringing in Hackett is an indicator that we are going to go get Aaron Rodgers as well. Aaron Rodgers still has to decide whether or not he wants to play football again. The Packers would have to decide that they're moving on. A lot of decisions have to take place first, but it seems like all parties are okay with a potential trade and move on situation. Does Nathaniel Hackett, being the offense coordinator for the Jets, put Aaron Rodgers in New York, sorry, New Jersey, to play for the New York Jets?

Darius J. Butler? I still say no. I'm still standing on that he'll be a Green Bay Packer. I think Aaron Rodgers retires as a Green Bay Packer, ultimately. That's the way I see it going. It is a good move for the Jets, regardless of who's going to come in there. No. He's had success as a coordinator, as a play caller.

Jacksonville. Play caller. You guys are talking about right? Jacksonville. He led a top five offense to the AFC Championship as the Jacksonville Jaguars offense coordinator before that entire thing blew up. That was with Doug Marone. Blake Bortles.

Blake Bortles. Nailed it. So whenever he was calling plays for the Broncos, terrible. Yeah. Had to put his offense into the entire team, terrible. Also had to take everything else that a head coach has to handle on the day-to-day, which is not just calling plays. There's a lot of other shit that takes place.

Not good. Didn't call plays in Green Bay, right? No. So we just assume he's going to be able to pick right back up? Some guys are just better in that wheelhouse. Is that his wheelhouse, though? Because when he was with the – he drew up the red zone plays, I guess, right? Because that was the gold zone for the Packers.

And, like, led the meetings and stuff like that, obviously. But, yeah, I think – You're right, Doug. To your point, like, I don't – now, Rogers has said, like, you know, he's made his affinity for Nathaniel Hackett well known. Like, I don't doubt that, like, he loves him. He likes being around him. He's a good buddy.

But I don't know if he's willing to stake the rest of his career on, hey, this guy, you know, calling plays is, like, going to unlock, you know, winning a Super Bowl for me. Like, I think he's tight with him, sure. But, like, Rodgers isn't an idiot. He saw what he did last year in Denver. It's like, is them getting him all of a sudden like, oh, okay, like he gets it now. Like he learned from everything last year, and I'm going to go win a Super Bowl with this guy.

Congratulate Hackett, though. Yeah. He looked miserable in Denver. Can't believe it. That was not fun. I mean, that first press conference, he was like, you get a guy like Russ Wilson, you get excited.

Like, he was living a dream, you know. Oh, yeah. From a football family, a pipeline, obviously, his dad, massive influence on the West Coast offense scheme, I believe. So he's been in football a long time. With the Jags, he was able to get to the AFC Championship with Bortles. Now, a lot of questions being asked about how they handled that entire game. Sure.

You know, that was a massive game. Was it him? Was it Marone? Was it somebody else? Who knows? And at the Green Bay Packers, it was the gold zone he was known for. Yep. For me, though, I'm such a stooge.

I'm a doofus. All I think about is they were fucking awful last year. They were so bad. Like, so it's hard for me not to get over that. A lot of that was on the quarterback. Okay, see, so it's hard for me not to get over that a lot of that was on the quarterback okay so that's a big that's a big thing yeah but when you when you pay that much money to the quarterback like you're not you can't move on from russ so he he kind of took that um took that and and the the shit with head coach man we talk about a lot and obviously you know it's what we get paid to do to talk about football and have takes and shit but this head coach and shit and like all of it a lot of luck plays into it too like no as far as obviously no

staff wise your fucking quarterback so you look at uh belichick well belichick no fucking cleveland like nobody was looking at him like he was this this this great and then you you get Brady and you get these other people. So you've got to have the right players. You've got to have the right staff who you can empower. There's a lot of things that play into it. Hiring the guy. You know, all of these coaches are talented.

All these coaches have skill set. It's about the guys or gals that you hire around them. And obviously the players that you can get. Sometimes you want a quarterback and you like the Chargers. They probably want it too. Ended up with Herbert. Like, I'm sure they feel fucking great about that. Like, that's luck partly.

So a lot of that plays into it. But this whole coaching cycle, man, just get your guy and get lucky. Okay. So speaking of luck, I mean, Bill Belichick, let's assume, got lucky for a long time. Yeah. That he had Tom Brady as his quarterback. He's a great coach.

Great coach. Have to have great talent, but also luck playing, player, coaching, whatever your profession, I'd say. Whatever your profession, you're going to have to catch a little luck if you want to get to the top, if you want to have success. There has to be perfect timing. There has to be options for this, something for that. Something has to happen.

Now they're saying, this is a quote from within the Patriots' office. That's right. I love Belichick, but he fucked us. He fucked us. This is from Andrew Callahan's Twitter account. Andrew Callahan is a Patriots beat writer for the Boston Herald. Hell yeah. Host of the number one Pats interference podcast, Pats Interpod.

His quote, rule number 76, no excuses, play like a champion. Amen. He is also a dumb and dumber whenever they're at that owl with the suits on as his header. So I would respect and appreciate what Andrew Callahan has to say. I feel like he's probably worked

pretty hard to get to these sources. So we respect Mr. Andrew Callahan. I love Belichick, but he fucked us. So seems like, you know, maybe the luck just went out of the building the past couple years. Maybe bringing back Billy O will help. But they're talking about basically the entire behind the scenes

was just a clusterfuck. Mack falling out of favor with some of the coaching staff. Coach is falling out of favor with some of the players. Almost like a fully dysfunction operation. Have you guys lost all your luck up there? And is the luck the name of Tom Brady? Is that what happened? I don't know if we lost all our luck i definitely think there was

some lost ways up there uh a lot of the stuff in the article talks about kind of we lost our way mac jones not loving joe judge joe judge kind of acting in a specific way where he doesn't really know what he's talking about and maybe at times that rubbed people the wrong way is what the article said. And they also talked about how when they'd be going over plays, they would say, okay, sure, what if this happens? And instead of having the answer for what if something goes wrong or the defense knows what's coming, they said,

we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Okay, so we've talked to Clyde Christensen, who just retired after an incredible career. Congrats, Clyde. Quarterback coach, long time. Peyton, Andrew, Tom Brady, three of the quarterbacks that he is quarterback coach for. He's had some others as well. I mean, he's been in football a long time.

But he used to talk about how Peyton would be texting at midnight, calling at 1 a.m., hey, I have this idea, I'm watching film. Whenever this happens, what's this happen? So Clyde Christensen said his life was basically, whenever he was coaching, quarterback coaching for Peyton Manning, was figuring out all the potential answers. So whenever he would go into a meeting, it's like, hey, the guy that's in there, Peyton, has watched just as much film as you.

I don't know if every coaching staff has this, but this guy is going to want answers. He's going to want to be coached. And when he asks a question, he doesn't have time for the coach, the person who's supposed to be giving the answers, to not have the answers. So Clyde Christensen, this man right here, we're talking right, right, right, right, right, right, right here, right, Cavs, right. Oh, oh.

Used to be quarterback, North Carolina back in the day. Oh. I didn't know that. He's got a three-quarter kid from southern california went to north carolina he says why do you think i travel a thousand miles away from home or something you know he's super good guy but he fucking has this little three-quarter release 60 year old spinning it just like beautifully but he literally said his life during football season was trying to figure out the answers to questions that are definitely going to come from Peyton whenever they get into the meeting. So you can see how Mac Jones would expect the fucking coach, hey, coach is the title here. If I have a question for something, that means Mac has probably watched the film.

Mac has probably thought, oh, this might happen. This might happen. So although we've given him, and by we I'm not just necessarily meaning this show, but the Football Society, a lot of shit for his antics this year. Yeah. Acting like a little baby back bitch sometimes. For sure. I think a lot of people are saying, Mac, what are you doing? You're acting like a child right now.

Body language. I assume there's a lot of frustration built up if he's trying to get answers to stuff and he got a special teams coordinator that never played quarterback because his quarterback coach was not giving him any answers. I can see how that could be a problem and easily fixable hopefully yeah absolutely and like the belichick fucked us that's not you know wrong belichick said before the year like hey i'm the head coach everything kind of falls on my plate and especially when it comes to assigning who's calling plays and who's with the qb that was on bill but from this article more than anything it was like okay mac jones definitely not out on

him the body language stuff you're talking about where he would you know wave off the sideline or But from this article, more than anything, it was like, okay, Mac Jones, definitely not out on him. The body language stuff you're talking about where he would, you know, wave off the sideline or do any of that shit that kind of just looked bad, that's not happening with Billy Teapots, okay? Well, and also because the thing that Mac might have been asking about just happened. Yeah, exactly. He's like, oh, we'll cross that bridge when it comes.

Well, it came last play. We fucked it, and now we're puntingting again i could see somebody being very pissed about now granted you high football iq a lot of film people asking questions in team meetings named chuck pagano on defense side of the ball hey i'm not going to say the actual person's name that would get asked a question when we're in when they're in trips and it's third down, what are the concepts or schemes that are coming? No answer from somebody, obviously. Go to somebody else. They want to run the – Chuck would have to be like, kind of right.

D-Butch, what are they doing? And then, obviously, D-Butch will come in. You've got two underneath, one doing the whole thing, right? So I felt like you were a person that wanted to be prepared more than everybody else. That was a massive part of your, I think, tool belt. I think that was something. Coaches have to have answers for you or at least want to be able to work alongside you. And if that's true, let's assume somewhere in the middle.

Yeah, some of it has to be true. Let's assume somewhere in the middle, not all of it. You could see how somebody would get frustrated at the highest level, too, of this whole thing. Yeah, especially playing the quarterback position. And you know, going into it, once again, the coach has got to coach and lead with intellect on that level. And even if you're coming in as a rookie, sure he had a big-time operation in Alabama.

He knows the game, came in, was a smart guy. With all that being said, you know, that's Monday through Saturday. You've got to figure it out. When you are that quarterback, especially like your body language, it resonates throughout the whole team. Everybody's watching everything. Yeah, everybody's watching everything you do. So you get fired up.

You know, shit happens. We see it with Brady, Peyton, all these greats, you know, on the sidelines. Shit happens. But, you know, waving off a coach, especially when you're, what is he, second year quarterback, you ain't really, you know. You're supposed to make your biggest jump going into your second year as well. So this is, you know, I don't know if that's real or not. Trevor Lawrence had answers.

Hell of a jump from first year to second year, which I think leads to the point exactly here. He got Doug Peterson in his corner probably helping him out a bit, maybe leading him through some stuff. What's that? Coaching matters. I think so, too. Oh, yeah, and especially the drop-off.

Like, can you imagine for, I mean, look at Trevor Lawrence. He goes from Urban Meyer way down here up to Doug Peterson. Mac Jones goes from Josh Daniels all the way up here to a guy who's never called plays and is a defensive coordinator. The drop-off is just insane with the coaching in its own. But I feel like this article, although it definitely looks bad, it gives me and I think Patriots fans much more hope and reassurance. Like, hey, Bill O'Brien is going to change Mac Jones and how the offense looks.

Well, nobody wants to hear that around the NFL or the New England Patriots fans. Bingo. I got to start giving them a loose for pants. I just cut my thumb on going into my pocket. It's that time of the year, though. Hey, football season's almost here. I feel like we've done very well to be where we are right now. Joining us now is a man who's done very well this season.

Hell yeah. Yes. Like, incredible, I would say oh yeah not just um like oh pretty good for young guy oh new to the job he is outperformer we could think drop him in there with the fucking hall of famers and it's like hey this guy is the top guy yeah one of the best ladies and gentlemen not only hall of fame tight end, or whenever he played in the NFL, an absolute dog out of Miami. Fox's number

one color commentator for good reason. He'll be calling the Super Bowl this year. Can't wait for the world to get to hear this man's brain spill through his mouth into a microphone. Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Olson. Yay! What's up, man? How you doing you doing hey you have not sucked at all

nope you hear me thank you you have been amazing dude you've been really really good how come do you think you knew that you're gonna be i remember when you were playing you were getting those practice reps they were flying you out you were doing a couple games i think if you're anything like what hasselbeck was doing maybe some mock booths were even happening during some bye weeks that we didn't see. So I think you got some practice, but there's people that take years and years and years and years and years. And then hopefully they get good at some point you're being dropped into the big show and you're crushing it. Did you like from the very beginning, was this always something you just were able to do well? Because we're incredibly proud of you, pal. I'm incredibly proud of you pal incredibly proud of you man well i appreciate

it man it's good to be on with you guys i have to say i i i can't say i listen every day but i listen pretty much every day so obviously big fan of you guys you guys are awesome appreciate the kind words um you know i don't know i'll be honest i don't know you mentioned i had some opportunities back uh back when i was playing 2017 fox gave me a really cool opportunity as a current player to go into a three-man booth at the time. It was Kevin Burkhart, obviously, who's my partner now, and Charles Davis, his partner at the time. And that was my first live action. I had a couple, as you mentioned, audition games prior to that and just kind of behind closed doors in a studio somewhere. But, yeah, I kind of fell in love with the action of being at the game, right?

I mean, I was, you had the opportunity to do some studio stuff and some other stuff, but just being in the stadium and you've done it, you know, that, that, that energy of calling a live game where you just have to kind of be on your toes and react to what you see. It reminded me a lot of what it was like preparing and anticipation going in as a player. And I kind of fell in love with preparing and anticipation going in as a player and I kind of fell in love with that energy of being in the stadium and I figured if I can't play anymore maybe I can talk about the guys who still can yeah well you're doing great at it you get to go to the practices too you get to be a part of some meetings you have to prepare national anthem

still happening you're in there you know it is very it's the most game-feeling media position there is. So I'm very pumped that we have found a guy who thrives in it. And I think you just told, we were listening to a clip this morning. Who was you talking to? SI, wasn't it? Fuck. This is 100% on us. It was a good conversation.

You said that they're going to have to bench you or something like that. Like, you looked at this as an opportunity. Like, okay, obviously $375 million to Tom Brady has been talked about. And you just said, yeah, okay, cool. All right. He's still going to call it. And in the world of media, there's trades that happen. There's only so many seats, but once you prove that you can be in that seat, those jobs seemingly find a way to figure it all out. You've done incredible blocking out all that shit at all. Did it ever get to you? Did you ever think to yourself like, I'm kind of a lame duck coming in here. If it takes me any time to get into a flow, Tom's just going to come fucking take it

anyways. Like, was that ever a thought or you just said, maybe I don't want to do this long term anyways. Like what was it going in? Yeah. You know, I, I, I think the biggest thing I've tried to do is just lean into it. I think if I sat there and kind of felt sorry for myself and made excuses and seemed like a little, I don't want to say like a little bitch, you know, like complaining, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't want to be that. Like, I know what I signed up for, right? I know I'm a big boy. We all know what we signed up for. We know when you put yourself out there in public, you're going to get pushed back and you're going to get, you know, people who don't like what you, what you say and

what you do and how you act. And I was, I was willing to accept that challenge for the opportunity to do what I'm currently doing, which is to call the biggest game of every weekend all year long. I mean, to have 45 million people watch our game last week, who knows how many coming up here for the championship game. And I haven't really tried to make this about is this a one-year deal am I going to get to do this again I have an opportunity to do what not a lot of people have done which is to call the number one team at Fox which culminates at the end of the year in a Super Bowl and whether that's my only Super Bowl or I can do this for years to come I don't know I don't control that. Those are forces outside of my control. But

just like as a player, right? Again, there's so many parallels that I try to pull on from my playing days. I've been trying to be replaced before. I've had draft picks, guys get drafted at my position, free agents signed to my position. If you shy away from competition, if you shy away from those challenges, you're not going to really be good at anything. And I've tried to take that same approach and try to make the best of it. I have an awesome crew. The guys and girls I get to work with are the best in the world at what they do. And that's made it a hell of a lot easier for me to step into that booth, knowing that everyone around me has been doing this for a long time. Well, you fit in just fine with the crew that is very good. And Burkhardt is great

at what he does as well. I think we're very thankful we get a chance to hear him on the big stage this year as well is this something you're gonna do forever you think is this a is this a forever job you love it well i think if i if i can stay in the seat i'm in now i think that's something that you you consider doing forever so i'll say that i again i don't know what the future holds but i'll tell you i doing what if i could sign up right now for the next 20 years to call this slate of games on these platforms with this crew and call Super Bowls and playoff games and the biggest games of the week, I would sign up for that right here, right now. With the right money.

With the right money. With the right money, obviously. You would only with the right. Not pack McAfee money, but just under that would be great. Would be great. I'd sign up for that right now. Well, listen, I understand that, but we need to – this is when Herbert was coming out of college. He came on the show.

He was like, it's only a matter of time before I sign with Nike. And I was like, unless Adidas – Unless Adidas sweeps the pot. Unless Adidas. You know, unless Adidas. He goes, no, I'm going to sign with Nike. No, no, no. Come on.

Come on. Because they're going to sign with Nike. No, no, no. Come on. Come on. Because they're going to run this back in the negotiation. Greg said he would take a 45-year deal. Yep. Let's just have fun. Let's just do this whole thing. But we hope you are in for another 20 years. You do the game an incredible service every single week.

You're crushing it, pal. Connor has a question for you, Greg. Yeah, Greg, also good to know as these years go on, the money's only getting bigger. Very much so. It's not as if they go get it keep going by because we need you to do that too yeah exactly and they got it and they got they got it yeah they got it but you know they have 370 it's only going gonna get more uh but right now greg there's actually a kind of a massive debate on the internet with uh josh allen guy who used to play with Cam Newton. Do you think people forget how great Cam is? Do you think that's kind of bashing Josh Allen?

And do you think people kind of just forget about those Panthers years? Because there has been some shade thrown your way and Ted Ginn's way, and it seems to be a little unwarranted and unfair. You saw it. You had to have. You know what? I'm glad you brought this up. See, this is why I want to come on this show, because I don't get an opportunity really to defend myself much. Somehow I did see that video. I think I know what you're referring to.

There was a tweet that somebody put up, and it was saying, like, Cam Newton went 15-1, and, you know, the only players worth a shit he had were Ted Ginn and Greg Olson. I was like, wait a minute. How the hell did I get pulled into this? Yeah, yeah. Check the numbers, right? minute, how the hell did I get pulled into this? Check the numbers, right? Check the numbers. Hey, listen, Pat, sometimes you

got to be your own best self-advocate now. You got to look up how many guys out there have more catches than me. How many? How many? How many guys have more yards than me? How many? Yeah, talk your shit, Ace. There's not a lot. No, so listen, I think Cam, the argument for Cam can't be that everyone else around him sucked. But I think the argument for Cam cannot be lost in the fact that what he was able to accomplish, the trend that he brought into the NFL in his rookie year that we see now,

this offense that Philadelphia is running is very similar to what we were running 15 years ago when Cam first came into the league. The quarterback design runs, the red zone runs, the short yard line stuff, tight end. Yeah, thank you. So like, listen, what Cam did in this league, the teams that he took, you know, he took us to the Super Bowl, MVP, four out of five years in the playoffs. Like, I think people don't give Cam enough credit because in this world where everyone wants you to throw for 4,500, 5,000 yards and throw for 45 touchdowns, like that wasn't us. But when you added up his rushing impact, his rushing touchdowns, his impact in short yardage goal line and his ability to play from the pocket and be a true passer, along with all those other things, I think people forget just how good Cam was.

And I think he deserves as much credit and praise as anybody. What was it? Was it that car accident? That truck that flipped over? Was it after that? When did it? Didn't he get some injury happen? He died in that shot.

TJ Watts got his shoulder, I believe. Yeah, he got – yeah, that's exactly – I don't know who said that, but that's exactly around the time. And, again, it's never just like one thing and then you fall off a cliff. He got that injury that year, and that shoulder, he got hit by TJ Watt kind of under the arm. It was injured the prior year. He actually had a ball that got tipped, and he was chasing the guy who picked it. He made it, he dove and he kind of hit. So I think like anyone who

played the game, the way Cam did, he played aggressive. He played fearless. He was a ferocious runner. I mean, people used to say, Oh, Cam takes a lot of shots. The only shots he took were in the pocket because when he was a runner, there was not a lot of guys who wanted to take that big guy on if he was running at you i mean he was just a big physical dude competitive as hell and um you know like the rest of us at some point your body just doesn't have what it used to have and uh that's just sometimes the way it goes you know what it is though i mean it's recency bias obviously and he was a part of the social media generation but the very beginning of it not the end of it and all anybody ever saw was him at

the patriots and some of the after stuff. They're not going back and watching not only the games, but just watch the highlights from back whenever Cam was Cam. Because I remember the first time Vinatieri and I saw him, the Colts were playing the Panthers. And I think it was his rookie year. And as soon as he came on the field, he just like ran by me and Vinny. And we're like, holy fuck yeah look at how big this thing is is this real and then it's like he starts doing his shit and then we play a couple years later down in carolina it was on monday night and that whole place he was the fucking

maestro the whole city pretty much yeah the fucking superman song would come on he would do his thing and then literally next play, he's diving over for a touchdown. 45-second celebrations. And then the whole city's doing it. And then he's running to the entire other side of the stadium, giving the ball out to somebody. Graham Deneau's kicking the extra point.

Cam is still celebrating on the field. And he, like, took over an entire fucking city. It was... He was must see television too people like forget about that i think in this modern era and you did take some shots i don't know what that's all about it's bullshit i did and i'll tell you what you just described i mean your description of that was incredible your mind is like a trap because what you just described after a cam touchdown happened for 10 years straight. That was a pretty remarkable recollection there, Pat.

I'm pretty impressed because, I mean, I lived it. I saw it. But for you to see that, that was pretty good right there. Rainstorm. Exactly what happened. Rainstorm that night, too. Ted Ginn was a returner, yeah. I think that game went to overtime, didn't it?

Yep. Yeah. Was that 15? Was overtime, didn't it? Yep. Yeah. Was that 15? Was that our Super Bowl year? You said illegal pick route to who was off the ball. He used to play for the Jets. Ran to the right. Got out of bounds.

They threw a flag, and then I got the official to pick it up. Well, that's because you said, I'm going to be commentating a couple years from now. Whether we always are or not. Were you just holding that over all the refs' heads? Is that what you were doing, pal? Hey, sometimes you got to be, hey, what did we say before? You got to be your own best self-advocate.

Darius has a question for you. It seems like he might have been one of the guys that felt the effects of your cheating-ness on that Monday Night Football. Yeah, but obviously Greg's a dog. You've been killing it, man. Proud of you, man. But we've been talking about head coaching. His head coach has cycled a lot. And you've had, obviously, man. Proud of you, man. But we've been talking about head coaching. There's a head coaching cycle a lot,

and you've had, obviously, an interesting perspective. Been a longtime player now in the booth in these production meetings with these coaches. If you're an owner, first of all, what would you be looking for in a head coach? Do you lean one way, obviously, if you're an offensive guy? Do you lean one way offensively or defensively? And have there been any guys who have kind of blown you away

in a production meeting kind of as soon as you meet them? Yeah, I think it's a great point. I think, you know, one of the coolest things that I've enjoyed these last couple years is just being exposed to so many different coaches from both sides of the ball, head coaches, coordinators, position coaches, you know, guys that over the course of my playing career, I only played for three head coaches. You know, I played for Lovey in my time in Chicago I played with Ron Rivera here and then my one year with Pete I've always played for defensive coaches so like I just to be able to sit in a

meeting with the LaFleurs of the world and Shanahan and Ben Johnson and some of these offensive guys and see how being an offensive minded coach impacts how they operate the team and roster building and how much emphasis so much, so many of these guys place on the defensive side of the ball. It's been really eyeopening and just a really cool experience. I think in regards to what we're seeing right now in these hiring cycles is there are so many really good defensive coordinators who are quality head coaches, right? I mean, just in this year's hiring cycle, Steve Wilks here in Carolina, who was the interim, still deciding whether or not he gets the permanent job or not.

And then, of course, D'Amico Ryans and Dan Quinn. You can go up and down the list. Right now, the number one question around, it's not a matter of are these defensive coaches quality coaches. They check every box. They're fantastic. They're great leaders. All those things are true. The question is, can they get their offense right? Can they develop a young

quarterback? Can they bring in the offensive mind to run it? And then the second layer of that is if your first hire goes great, you're going to lose that guy. He's going to go be a head coach and you got to do it again. That's a real problem, Greg, for these defensive coaches. If the head coach has to be the offensive guy, I think, because the owner, right? Now, owners are the biggest monkey-see-monkey-do people of all time. What works? Oh, let's do it. And they probably did that with their business. What has worked in the past?

This has worked. Let's do that. So not only that aspect, because if you look at who's remaining mostly offensive-minded and if you look for the last couple weeks mostly offensive-minded, but also the owners think ahead, right? Don't they? Like, okay, if we have success, what happens? Well, our quarterback goes for this.

We sell our tickets. We win. We do this. And then what happens immediately after? Oh, that offense coordinator is getting hired. And if that offense coordinator takes your quarterback coach or running back coach or tight end coach, you have to literally bring in a whole new staff like every two years. That's up against, I think, these defensive coaches heavy.

I think heavy, heavy. Greg? I think it's the biggest obstacle that they're all facing. And I think so often the conversation is, you know, who's a better head coach? D'Amico Ryans or, you know, Frank Reich? The point is not necessarily those two guys, but just offensive and defensive-minded. And oftentimes, they would both be great leaders of your organization. They would be great schematically on their particular side of the ball.

The obstacle the defensive coaches face, right, wrong, or indifferent, is to make the playoffs we see year in and year out. Offense makes the playoffs. Defense wins the playoffs. That's kind of the balance of how the season works. If you want to be a consistent playoff threat, you've got to have either an elite, elite top five quarterback or you need to have an elite offensive mind play caller where you can score high 20s, low 30s, and you'll find yourself in the playoffs.

That's the formula everyone's searching for. And the idea is if you have that as an offensive coordinator, they get poached. Those guys are on the top of every hiring cycle, the Shane Steikens, the Ben Johnsons. You can go up and down the list every single year. And the teams that have great succession plans, right, you look up in Buffalo with what they were able to do. They lose Brian Dable, but they have Dorsey waiting in the wings.

Now behind Dorsey, they have Joe Brady if Dorsey ever moves on. Sean McDermott's done a great job, but that's the game that all these guys are playing. And I think to your point, owners see, you know, let's hire everybody from the McVeigh tree. Let's hire everyone from the Shanahan tree. And let's just follow what these teams I see every year in the playoffs are doing. And it hurts a lot of really good quality defensive-minded coaches. Yeah, I think what you've mentioned there about McDermott having just layers to this and grooming almost, I don't want to say grooming, but kind of, like, hey, let's keep these around.

Dorsey is obviously going to thank Dayball, and I assume if Joe Brady gets another opportunity to do this thing, didn't work out in Carolina, did in LSU, with a guy who worked in the NFL immediately upon the whole thing with an NFL offense. It's like almost coaches have to staff like how teams have to be rostered. You have to be deep at weapons because injuries are going to come. So now, like, as you're putting a staff together, you've got to be deep at certain positions

because it's like if we have success, this person's gone, and we don't want to restart from zero. That's a fascinating thing that's kind of happening right in front of us, and I wonder if that's why this coaching cycle that's happening this year is kind of taking a different turn. Sean Payton, nowhere, though. What are you guys, Fox? You guys just give him a bunch of money? You backed up the Brinks truck?

What happened there? I don't know. That's weird. He has to be at the top of everybody. Chuck Pagano said Saints won two firsts, some money, plus maybe something else. And then on top of that, you've got to pay Sean. So he's thinking that maybe some people are like,

I will revisit this next year if this isn't a thing. But the NFL owners, I mean, you know what I mean? If it can bring a win, won't they do anything, I think? Yeah, I think what's interesting about Sean is these owners and these teams are saying, all right, what is it going to take to get? And I think coach, I think coach Pagano is dead on. I think the compensation that you're going to have to get to give up to get Sean Payton is pretty significant and rightfully so. So I think it's going to be the right balance, the right team that says, you know what, we're a coach away. We're a leader away. I don't need to use that top first round draft pick, maybe on a

quarterback, like maybe a Carolina Panthers or, or whoever, or, you know, we have draft, we're a leader away. I don't need to use that top first round draft pick maybe on a quarterback, like maybe a Carolina Panthers or whoever. Or we have a really talented roster where if I give up some draft capital this year and next, we're still pretty talented. We're really good in the important spots. We can play defense. We have a quarterback. We'll win. I just need someone to run the show. There's not many teams because typically the teams that find themselves in those categories typically don't fire their head coach. So it's kind of like this weird back and forth. Come to the Colts. No quarterback. Yeah, we're getting Aaron.

We already know we're getting Aaron. I don't know if we have enough number ones, but we can just trade out like the 20-30. I don't know. The word is now with Hackett going to the Jets, you guys got to find out. We got to get Rodgers on the horn. Is he going to New York?

Tuesday, man. I don't know. What day is it? Thursday. It's like Bigfoot, bro. What are you – you think we can get a hold of him right now? What do you think this is? It's a Thursday.

It's his off season. That's on me. That's on me. That's on me. I don't know if the whales have made their way south from Alaska yet to give birth or not, that earthquake happening. But if those whales come down to Southern California, we're not going to be able to get a hold of Aaron for two weeks.

Goodbye Tuesday. See you later. That's where Aaron Rodgers Tuesday ends, whenever it's whale birthing season down there in Southern California. But that's him on the move. Crazy, Greg. You got to call a couple games, obviously, this year and go around the NFL. How many teams do you think would be willing to kind of move

with Aaron Rodgers going forward? Now, a lot of things have to happen. Aaron has to say he wants to play football still. He's still in the process of trying to figure that out. The Packers have to decide that they're going to move on to Jordan Love in a younger team. They are still trying to figure that out, I assume, behind closed doors. So those two decisions have to be made. But then if it is that he's going to be traded, which seemingly both sides have talked to, Packers through the media, a lot of insiders reporting that, and Aaron to us said like i never thought of it until you like you draft my replacement then uh if i still want to play and it's right for the packers we can both move on what do you think happens there and how many teams after like getting to know the

nfl a little bit better than all of us especially these new staffs would move with aaron going forward yeah i mean i think there's a lot of teams out there would take Aaron Rodgers. Like this. Yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty much a no-brainer. You mentioned our production meetings. Darius asked me before, like, what we learned in the production meetings and whatnot. I would say the best production meeting is when we get to talk to Aaron. Here we go.

I mean, you guys know. The guy is just a fascinating conversation. It's like 45 minutes, and he's like, oh, we're done? We're like, yeah, Aaron. Don't you have to go to practice? He's the absolute best. He's an open book. He's a straight shooter.

And again, you guys know him better than anybody. But he's awesome, so I'll start with that. Secondly, to your point, I think there's a million teams in the league that would take him. You mentioned the Jets. You mentioned Indianapolis. I mean, it's not a matter of does Aaron Rodgers make your team better? That's an obvious yes.

Again, it goes back to very similar to Sean. Some people are saying it's not an obvious yes, dude. Some people. I got some Jets fans, and obviously Jets fans are miserable, in my phone. Always will be. Okay, and they'll send a text. We don't we don't fucking want rogers what are you why are you can why are people saying i'm like what is it people

think that out there in the world greg you know that packers fans are thinking that right now some not all yeah i think people are crazy i i think the the one the one part of this equation that needs to be sorted out is again you say how if i do make a trade for aaron how long do i get him like how many years do i have to take advantage of having him play quarterback that's number one then you have to make sure your team minus whatever draft capital it took to add him and minus whatever cap space it took to add him is your roster close enough that when you add an all-time quarterback behind center you guys are immediately a playoff team right you go back to Tampa granted they didn't have to give up draft capital but by adding Tom Brady three years ago they had the talent they had the defense they had the infrastructure that you insert Tom Brady

at quarterback they're instantly better they're instantly a contender so that's the team he needs to go to the team that's still drafting to fill a million other holes, between giving up the capital to acquire him and then just the longevity of what it would take to build your roster around him to compete, you probably don't have that sort of runway. So I think that might be the only factor that limits some teams' willingness to take him.

But if you look at New York, we had them early on. We watched them beat Aaron Rodgers in Lambeau Field. We called that game. Halfway through the season, the Jets were rolling. They're young. They're talented. They got stars on both sides of the ball. They need quarterback play. So do I think the Jets next year win the Super Bowl if Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback? I don't know if I'm willing to go that far. But do I think that they're a playoff team if Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback? I do. I think a lot of their fans think that as well. playoff team if Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback? I do.

I think a lot of their fans think that as well, and same with the media. Mike Greenberg has been talking about it literally every single morning. Hey, Aaron, you're going to love it out here. And he would, by the way. Think about going from Green Bay over there just for a couple years. The shows that Aaron Rodgers would be going to. Oh, my God. The life.

He's a West Coast guy. Start spreading the news. He's a West Coast guy. Start spreading the news. He's coming to Indy. Okay, Ty has a question for you, Greg. Yeah, Greg, one of the most refreshing things about hearing you call a game is, like, while you won't shit on the guys, like, you actually, like, will kind of, like, be critical of your analysis. And I think that's one thing that one of the many things that people rip

Tony Romo for is that he kind of seems like he wants to just be buddy buddy with everyone and kind of won't call the game as like a straight shooter i feel like you do do that how have you kind of balanced that the farther you've gotten out of the league when you still have all these relationships with guys but at the same at the same time like no one wants to hear someone in the booth just kind of sit up there and kiss everyone's ass when we can see that it's not the same as what's going on on the field. Yeah, I think it's a good point. I think it's something that all guys, especially former players, struggle with. We all know what it was like to be playing and have that broadcaster or that journalist

or someone wrote an evaluation of the game or report and unfairly criticized you. So I think that the first couple of steps of that is I never make anything personal. I think we see guys when they make things personal and it's a personal attack as opposed to attacking maybe their read. What do you mean? Give an example. Like this guy's known to do this, like that type of stuff. Yeah. Like, Hey, this guy's known. He he doesn't give great effort i've heard behind the scenes that he doesn't prepare hard he's not studying like right whether it's right or wrong i just don't believe and this is just again my personal opinion i don't like attacking guys i have too much respect for how hard it is to play or coach in the nfl i think it's extremely challenging and it's demanding. And just from being in that other seat,

I know what it was like to sit in that seat and have people kind of come after you and attack you unjustly. Having said that, I do believe we all know what we signed up for. And you go out and you play in the NFL, you open yourself up to criticism. My take on criticism is, I better know what the hell I'm talking about. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Your football IQ is very high. You were breaking down a lot of shit. If you're going to question the backpedal or the zone turn or the coverage read of the corner or the nickel slot, how he played a two-man stack, and how the left tackle was supposed to sort a pressure off the open side, you better know

damn sure what you're talking about or don't say it. Because, to me, that's the greatest respect you can give these players is if I'm going to, if you critique me, I go, you know what? Screw you, Olsen, but you're right. Accurate. Yeah, at least an accurate read. That's all.

And I think guys can respect that. And I think those are my two biggest rules. Don't be personal and you better be right. And I'm not always right. Don't get me wrong. I try to put the time in that I'm fair to the guys and I'm accurate. If I don't get it right, it's not for the lack of attempt. How many times do you have to catch yourself almost burying a guy and then have to go a different direction? No, like, that's a good question. I mean, I go into it with,

that's a fair question. Sometimes it's hard. Sometimes guys just do bonehead things, right? I mean, again, not to pick on the guy from last week, and we didn't bury him, but Elijah Mitchell, they're running the clock out. He just gets the first down and slides inbounds. And in the moment, you're emotional too. You're living this game as well. No, you've got to go out of bounds. Whether you're a 49er fan or not, everyone at home,

45 million people at the same time were screaming, get down, get right. And again, it's not that he's not a great player and he's playing his ass off and he's running, he's competing. Again, it's not a personal attack. But the reality is it needs to be pointed out that in that moment, it gave Dallas another possession. You must slide. slide coaches go over that every day of every game all year long like critical situations you've got to make good

decisions like that's probably a good example but it'd be easy to dog them it'd be easier to you know rip them but it's not fair you're not attacking the guy you're saying hey this is what this guy did wrong in this moment. It has nothing to do with the player, the person, but he made a mistake. Yeah, it's the decision, the moment, not the player. And I think if you come from a position of empathy, which it sounds like you do and have, some guys get on TV and just completely forget how hard it is to make it to the NFL. You know what I mean?

They just completely forget. I'm watching these people and they're saying things and I'm like, man, you know. You've been cut a couple times. You know how hard it is to even get there. Sometimes some things are going to happen, and then it's like, nope, they suck, they stink. I'm like, man, I just don't have that in me. And mostly because I'm a punter. You fucking can do whatever you want because the tight end position has grown so much.

Tight end university is obviously fantastic. Also, your podcast, you think, is amazing. I assume the message is getting out incredibly. Are you enjoying the hell out of that? Are you still able to do that with your schedule and your travel situation through the season? Yeah, our first season was a huge success. We loved it. Hey, hey, hey, baby.

Appreciate that. Clap it up for me. You know, we wrapped at the end of the year. We wrapped kind of our season one, and we had probably 40 some odd episodes with all sorts of really interesting former coaches, athletes, current players, families, just everyone from the entire world.

For anybody who's raising a kid right now in the youth sports world, it is a crazy scene. And with specialization and academies and kids moving away from home and middle school to train in basketball, it's, it's wild. It's a wild world out there. So coming out at the end of this year,

we, at the end of this football season, we have, so this spring we have some really cool kind of deeper dive things that we've identified throughout the course of some of these episodes that we're going to be releasing starting here this spring, where we're going to kind of take a little bit of a the course of some of these episodes that we're going to be releasing starting here this spring where we're going to kind of take a little bit of a deeper look into some of this world that we've uncovered

with some more multi-series, kind of longer-length episodes where we can really get into the weeds a little bit more. But it's been a blast. It's a crazy world as a parent, and we hear from a lot of people throughout the country who are kind of living the same life with their kids playing sports let's go like a cereal for these things yeah go through the hole you said we're going deep deep into it we're going we got experts we got specialists we got professionals we got reactions recoveries all the like what what what we're going in here

yeah i mean we a lot some of our most popular episodes uh michael gervais who's like a world renowned sports psychologist works with olympic athletes works with the Seahawks, which is where I first met him. And just like sitting down and just understand. I mean, again, I was almost like I was sitting on the couch at like a shrink's office. And I went home and I'm like, I am a failure as a father. I can't believe I said that to my kid after he struck out. I cannot believe what, right? Like, and you start like questioning every decision you make as a parent, but it was like a really eyeopening experience.

That episode with, with Dr. Gervais, like resonated with people throughout the whole country and had them really evaluating their parental approach to, to parenting and youth sports. Um, we've talked to academies. I mentioned there's kids moving down. I mean, there's IMG Academy down in Florida. They have kids as young as seventh, eighth grade, kids moving down i mean there's img academy down in florida they have kids as young as seventh eighth grade moving down there specializing in sports going to school i mean the nascar world like we're interviewing nascar drivers who on tuesday nights on dirt tracks north of charlotte i mean they're going up there and watching their kids ride in like little go-karts in essence at eight nine years old i mean there's so many cool little worlds of youth sports happening all

throughout the country, and we're excited to dive into some of them. Yeah, that's amazing. We can't wait to listen to season two. I raced against some of those eight and nine-year-olds in a go-kart in Carolina one time. That was a part of, I forget how it came up. Like, hey, you want to go race against, and I forget somebody's, I don't want to say the wrong name.

Was it Lugano? Lugano. Could have been Lugano. Could have been Joe. L lagana had a brother or something that was racing and they like build these go-karts and it's like very intense and then i i fucking got in there like 23 years old or whatever hell no these kids they're lighter than i am so like faster the engine less drag i mean they have a lot and also they can drive little, hey, they got the line down. Oh, yeah. And their parents are not happy if they're not, too.

I assume that gets chatted about. It is a very, like, because there's only so many cars. Dog eat dog. Yeah, it's not an easy thing to get into. What a wild time. You're crushing it, pal. Will you be out at the Radio Row, or what are you just focusing in on the game? Yeah, I'll be out there all week.

I get out to Arizona the Monday of the week. So I saw your message this morning. You guys will be out there. So I'm hoping I make the cut. Hoping you make the cut. Come on. We're hoping we make the cut. They're going to have you everywhere out there.

We just hope that you get a chance to stop by 10, 15 minutes. Give you as much time as you want, buddy. Will you really? All right, Monday, we need you. Full day. Three hours? Three, four. Will you really? All right, Monday we need you. Full day. Three hours? Three hours. Hey, I appreciate that.

I'm so high on the list that the Monday when no one's at the Super Bowl. Yeah, I was just saying. Appreciate that. No, no, we would love to have you on the pack days, but you just said that you go forever. It's like, if we can get three hours with Greg Olson. Start hot. We try to get three hours with Greg.

You're amazing, bro. You are crushing it. We knew this, though, since the first time I met you. I knew this from the first time I met you. I believe at the Pro Bowl I got a chance to chat with you. You're incredibly cool. And then, obviously, my retirement, the way you handled that, how you did it so naturally. One take, all that shit in there.

It was amazing. We said, oh, Greg Olsen's actually Captain America here. Taller, more handsome than you are, better at football than you are, smarter than you are. And we were like, oh, this guy could probably do whatever. And it turns out you just go into one of the toughest jobs in all of sports, and you've crushed it, Greg. Congratulations, dude.

You've done good. Seems like you've done pretty good. Appreciate you, man. I appreciate you guys. Big fan of the show. Coach Pagano, just saying what's up played against you a bunch i see the you i was waiting i thought maybe i'd get a you question from you but he didn't want to ask a question oh i don't like to out people here but i do uh i do

one of these you know does anybody want to question and chuck was just so nah he was listening he goes mom good i'm good so it sounds like he's in. He did throw up a U, though. Yeah, he did. He did throw up a U. A couple times. I saw it. Big, big fan, obviously. Watched you from afar for a long time. Here we go, Chuck. Huge fan.

Played for your dad in high school, right? Senior? Yep. I played for mine. It was a miserable experience. I hope yours was better than mine. Obviously, it seems that way. Notre Dame, you started Notre Dame and then transferred down to Miami, right?

And I just left. I made a smart move there and went to, you know, Cleveland with Butch. And you guys, they didn't lose a game for two more years and probably should have won two national championships. But talking about, you know, you being on TV now and doing these games, how you describe, because you talk about how difficult it is to play and to coach in the National Football League, and we all know what we signed up for, right?

And the officiating, how difficult the officiating is. And then when you dissect it at the end of the game, we're talking about, you know, Mitchell trying to stay in balance, all those things. But then at the end of the game, you know Mitchell trying to stay in balance all those things but then at the end of the game you know when they wound that clock and nobody knows the rules I mean they're so so difficult right and then when you described in layman's terms and made it make sense to every 45 million people out there because not many people can do that I couldn't do it as a head

coach for a long time we know how difficult that rule book is. How much do you have to dive into that, obviously? Were you always aware of the rules? Study those things. Now being in the booth and having to talk about not only offense and defense and both teams, all that stuff. Special teams. Dissecting how to play a two-man stack.

And, you know, are they playing lock limbo on this three-man bunch? And, man, all those things. But then the officiating part of it, that was brilliant. That was absolutely brilliant. All right, baby. Well, I appreciate that, Coach. I'm going to answer your question, and then after, Pat, if I have two seconds, I'm going to tell my first Coach Pagano experience,

because I don't even think Coach remembers it. You got, hey, all the time? Hey, all the time. All right, so to answer your question, the rule stuff is a really good point, and I have to give credit here and a plug. So Mike Pereira is with our crew, and I'll be honest. I try to stay up on some of the rules. The game management stuff, end-of-game scenarios, timeout usages,

out-of-bounds rules, clock stoppage, like that was all stuff to just as a player, we drilled and drilled and drilled. I mean, the amount of times that I sat through a two minute presentation where the coach would say, all right, Olsen or whoever, what are the rules about how we stopped the clock in a two minute? Okay, we can call timeout. Yes, we can get out of bounds. And then, okay, how do you get out of bounds? And you'd go through

all the different scenarios non-contact contact forward sideways all that so like a lot of that end of game scenario just from living it and breathing it and and studying it um as we all know you better than most that's how you win games in the nfl and understanding how to make great real-time decisions in stressful situations which the end of the games typically are, separate teams, good teams from the bad teams, and winners from the teams that go home early. So in that particular case, it was just something I could relate to. I mean, I'm sure at somewhere someone could dig up a clip of me not stopping the clock. I'm sure at some point I did it wrong, but it was something I always took good pride in was understanding the complexity of the game always understanding what we were trying to

do you know we get into these two minute drives where you have no timeouts and we talk about all right once you catch it you see these guys running for all this extra yards as the clock time and they get tackled and they're peeling defensive players off they're trying to hand the ball to the official they're kicking it you know we talk no, you got to get down, right? So mandatory get down. There's so many cool end of game discussions that when they come up, it makes it fun for us in the broadcast booth to talk about. But Mike Pereira does a great job sometimes on some of the real nuanced rules that unless

you are an NFL official, I don't know how anybody keeps track of it all. And he's unbelievable at real time being able to get it to us. So it's a combination of all those things. What's the matter, Pat? Did I say something you didn't like? No, this is not your fault. This is the show's problem. As soon as somebody's name gets mentioned, obviously,

whatever he has done most recently that is in everybody's mind, obviously gets referenced. I got it. I got it. Every time you said it, there was three tongues staring at me. You know what I mean? As soon as you mentioned it. Literally, as you were talking.

I knew it. I got it. Because if you go to the wide angle here, like Greg, I'm looking right at you. So as you're giving the answer that's happening it's tough it's a part i get it that's our problem though that's our problem i love it no no i love it hey let me get my coach yes i gotta get sorry it's my show now okay it's my show absolutely absolutely especially i'm in the summer i'm in the summer between 9th and 10th grade. My dad knows Greg Sciano, who at the time was a defensive coach down in Miami.

Butch Davis is the head coach. He's known Greg because Greg Sciano played high school football in New Jersey. The high school he went to played against my dad when he was a coach. We go down to Miami, me and my older brother like i said rising 10th grader butch is the coach coach pagano's on the staff rob jadzinski mario christobal larry coker i mean this is like a star studded group of guys so butch davis is the first uh college coach to offer me a scholarship here we go that year so miami was like ingrained in me of course then i think my junior year like shortly thereafter maybe my junior year he leaves and goes to to cleveland

and brought a lot of those guys with him obviously coach included but so i remember being down there at miami for on that at that camp with all these famous coaches uh as a 16 year old kid and was chuck a nice guy did he have good he probably had great hair if i know i just i just remember all the you know when the coaches came out there and again he wasn't coaching me obviously he was on the other side of the ball but when the miami coaches got out there like it didn't matter if it was high knees and warm-ups you're touching your toes you're like putting your i mean everything you do when the miami coaches were around you were like having you were like giving it everything you had it was a for a young kid from New Jersey to go perform in front of Miami football coaches was a big deal you killed it I assume yeah yeah you get a first offer off Miami at the time from

New Jersey not about me this is about coach Pagano oh yeah obviously but sort of about you too kind of I mean if you're not going to do it we'll do it you did it earlier about how many catches and yards and everything like that we at least owe you a favor here. You're from New Jersey. You're from New Jersey. You understand. Shiano, Pagano. I mean, the amount of Paisanos down there doing their thing. It's amazing.

I get it. We appreciate the hell out of you, Greg. Thank you for joining us, and hopefully we'll be able to fit in your schedule. Hopefully we'll be able to fit in your schedule, Radio Row. We'll figure it out. Appreciate you, man. You're the man. Take care, guys.

You Think podcast coming out this spring. Can't wait to listen. Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Olson. Yeah! Hey, football's a great sport, and we just chatted with good sport. Hell yeah. Greg Olson. Great.

For like 45 minutes. I love that guy. He's going to be calling the Super Bowl. We're very pumped for him. And we can't thank you enough for joining us here on this glorious Coach P Thursday. That's because Coach P is on the stage here. Appreciate you, Coach. You even got a question in about you.

You know, you're a little scared. You're a little hesitant. Didn't want to talk to him. But then you came in with a great question. Great story. Hey, let's go, Chuck. Come on, Coach. Got your monster energy on.

Yep. Where'd you get that from? Wee Man. What? In 2014, USO trip, C-17, six and a half days we traveled around the world. And nothing better than going around the world with the Wee Man. Yeah, I could imagine. Unbelievable.

What a stunt. He showed me some photos of he and Wee Man. I think Wee Man had a great time on that trip. I'm sure he did. And I assume he remembers old Chuck Pagano traveling the world alongside of him. We appreciate you joining us all season, just like we appreciate Darius J. Butler joining us all season. Good boy, D-Bot.

We'll have everything DB. I think in the next hour, it's a good one. Hey, this is a good one. Yeah, Coach Pagano is going to help out, obviously. You know, be an exclamation mark to it. He's incredible. Talks at the tables here at Boston Corner. I'm Ty Schmidt.

Boys, go ahead and get through the Greg Olson conversation. I mean, when in Rome, you know, everyone saw the Mike Pereira clip. We love Pereira. Yeah. Absolutely love Pereira. Great guy. When you get the opportunity. I mean, look at that.

Look at that guy. He loves it. That's not the only time he's been caught either. It's not like this is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This happens a lot to old Ferreira. Man. Mikey Tongue. That sly dog.

What is he? He said he was Portuguese, right? Yep. Not Italian. He's Portuguese. We met him at Topgolf. He's a great guy. He saw the tongue there as well.

He loves that tongue. He's been on the show numerous times. That's how he says hi to people, I'm pretty sure. We don't speak Portuguese. No, no, no. We don't. He might have just been saying hello. That might be their language.

We're not 100% sure. But he, what a character. I'm happy he got a shout out. I just saw a video during the break there. Gene Steratore was on CBS Morning. They did a whole special on him. I'm happy. He seemingly speaks more than the other officiating crews.

Tony Romo and Jim go to him a lot. I think it's a lot of Tony going, Gene? I don't know, Gene. What do you think? Could be a flag, maybe not. I don't know. What do you think, Gene? There was a couple of those this weekend happy

you've been working on that that's an incredible addition because i do believe they're paying him a lot of money for at least the next five years at least and hopefully it just keeps on going tony hey listen tony you'll be a baby face again oh yeah you'll be baby face again i love him yeah he kind of has come back around as for us we talked about the circle it was like oh this guy's unbelievable god i hate this guy and now he's back to this is so bad, and I hate him so much that I like him. We were early adopters to the Romo. No. Now we're back on that this is so funny that it's likable.

Yes. Yeah. Romo. That's that side of the state. Yeah, it's a circle of life. The moment Jim sent it to him this weekend, and it was a two-shot on them, likable yes yeah the moment that's that side of the state yeah that's a circle the moment jim sent it to him this weekend and it was a two shot on them and he had like a mint in his mouth was not prepared to say anything i think you do it like fucking well yeah obviously and that's the

shot hurt the call heard around what was the way way way, sir. Way, way, way, sir. Doing that was unbelievable. But he had so many moments on Sunday that were just. The internet, dude. Me too. Me too. Just because you click on his name on Twitter, it is unbelievable. Oh, yeah.

He is a driver of incredible Twitter. Like, some of the great. I mean, he can't read it, which is a shame. Because he would have to be the mentally toughest human to ever does though remember we went through his likes that one time and all of his twitter likes yeah earlier in the season that's kind of when when i turned i tweeted a gif like a guy's head exploding i said something about listening to romo sure enough he liked it so he i was you know what? This guy's got a sense of humor. I'm back. Oh, you think that was a sense of humor?

Either that or he's... That was a reminder. Oh, this son of a bitch. Okay. I hate to... Yeah. So whenever we asked for him to come on the show, if we ever were to ask for him to come on the show,

his people would send back that particular tweet and be like, have you ever apologized to Joey Redford for this? It's like, actually, no. And do not dive in. We will pass on having Tony on. Never mind. But I'll tell you, when you've got to call a game with 35,

40 million people watching, there's going to be people that don't like you. That just comes with the job. That's why I think what Greg Olson has been able to do is so fantastic. Darius J. Butler here. Joining us now from Manatee, Ohio. Holy fuck. 100% my fault. These things get away from me.

This is a part of the problem of this program. There's a lot of them. Like, for instance, the position that Greg Olson was placed. Bingo. Because he had to mention Pereira. Gene Seratore, another great ref. Happy he's getting some love on CBS this morning. Joining us now is a man who needs to be on all the morning shows.

Because what he does for the state of Ohio, representing them in such a perfect fashion every single day with the fucking best jawline in all of sports media. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, father of 10. Ladies and gentlemen, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hawke. Yay!

A.J., I made you wait a long time today. That's 100% on me. That's fucked up. I'm a rude guy. That's on me. Greg Olson won a lot longer than I thought I was going to go. I just want to let you know that I do feel bad about that right in this moment. I will get past it for the good of the show.

But in this exact moment, I want to let you know I do feel bad. And thank you for waiting around. Hey, no offense. I loved it. Honestly, I got to sit here and watch as a fan as I'm connected. I never heard of the circle of Romo that Con Man threw out there. That's my first time hearing it. Yeah, dude. COR has been happening on that side of the circle of Romo that Con Man threw out there. That's my first time hearing it. Yeah, dude.

COR has been happening on that side of the stage. It was taking place in the last office, too. Exactly. You know what I mean? So this is. It wasn't exactly a compliment Con gave him. Yeah. It's so bad and so terrible.

Now I've come around, I like it. I don't know if Tony's going to feel great about that. How about Conner saying that? And then Ty going, yeah, he liked one of my tweets where I said, listen to Tony Romo and it was somebody's head exploding. Like, this is when I came around on this guy. Yeah, it's awesome. I don't think Tony's listening to that.

I don't know if Tony's ever going to come on the show, but I do enjoy Tony. I think he's hilarious. Yeah, can't wait for Sunday. He likes the game. You can tell he's excited by the game. He is also wheeling and I think he's free wheeling in there. Oh yeah. Which is what everybody's thinking. You know what I mean? Wow this guy did not prepare at all.

Well because him not preparing is what made him get paid 17, 18 million. It was him guessing what was going to happen. Changed the game. Unprecedented. Completely. Oh he's Tony Romo. Yeah. And Corona Tone. The cadence too. I mean that cadence that Ty gave out. I mean I was spot-on

What was it again? It was? Multiple different cases Jim it may try to call him off. He's still an extra five yards like a you know, why why a sigh? Why why days? So man, nope false start Good call I mean I was watching in real time. I mean, it's a good cadence. I jumped while I was watching. I had earmuffs.

I had fucking earmuffs. I couldn't hold my water. Speaking of holding water, what the fuck is going on at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? Duquesne is a university that one of our people certainly went to, and a lot of our friends back in Pittsburgh I know have gone to Duquesne. It is actually, this is no joke. Congratulations to Tone Diggs. He was a graduate of Duquesne.

Had a baby. This is no shit, okay? Duquesne University is average arm throw away from the Allegheny County Jail in downtown Pittsburgh. So you're literally just like looking over top of the Allegheny County Jail. Right on beautiful view, though. Hell yeah. Beautiful view. Get a chance to walk across the bridge, go down the south side, which is the most absurd part of any city, maybe in America.

I mean, at this point, I think there's a lot of them. But Duquesne University is a university that is chatted about, and a lot of people have friends that go to, and a good school. I think it's actually a pretty good school. They've got a pretty good football team. They do some stuff every once in a while. Basketball team, not bad. The only thing they're going to be remembered for, though, is the

fucking Uber Eats guy showing up on the fucking floor while games being played with some McDonald's. Now, obviously, this has to be a gimmick. This has to be a work. Get a mic on. The actor was so fucking great. He's a foot away from action.

The guy had the ball. Confused acting and then just walks up. Could have rolled that dude's ankle. What if that dude steps on him and rolls his ankle? That's not as funny, is it? No. That didn't happen. What the hell is going on dude can't i don't i don't listen i mean sometimes the uber uber eats drivers the door dash drivers they are an absolute staple and a linchpin of society these days agreed one who delivered our food yesterday he had no idea what state he was in

so this doesn't shock me at all now my worry is what the guy was flying a fucking spaceship yesterday when he delivered food here well i think that's been food delivery forever sure sure sure 100 snowstorm but the bigger issue is where's the security at at fucking upmc cooper field house well that's i didn't know that arena existed because it's always been aj palombo i saw braun play in the A.J. Palumbo. As soon as I left, they fucking built this beautiful, state-of-the-art fucking new facility for all the athletics to train in and for the basketball, house the basketball.

That's because of what you built, though, from the owner. Sure, sure, sure. Tony was a Duquesne Duke. Correct. He was a weapon on defense side of the ball. How's this guy just fucking walk in? On to the court? And and be so oblivious? Because you guys are running a little half-ass operation. I thought Duquesne was more grass away from being an Ivy League school.

They are, and the Dukes this year are probably going to win the A-10, most likely going to win a couple games in the tournament. But, I mean, we can't have what happened last night. But since that guy made his appearance on the court, they went on a 35-18 win. We're on to go 12-3 at home this year in the fucking – It's tough to play there in a field house. Yeah, it is. I got to buy a ticket.

Is that the greatest Uber Eats driver of all time, if he bought a ticket to deliver this food? I think it's good internet. Yeah. I do. Just right on to the – Do they serve McDonald's in the arena? I love that this happened in Pittsburgh, too.

I would like to take credit. I would like us, the Ninzers, to take credit for a guy that would just walk on a court and not give a single fuck. Pittsburgh dude in a Pittsburgh university just walking right on the court. Chuck, what are you saying, bro? It didn't spill anything. No. Exactly. I've been to Duquesne.

That's up on the cliff. Yeah. Lee Bodden. You remember Lee Bodden've been to Duquesne. That's up on the cliff. Yeah. Lee Bodden. You remember Lee Bodden, the corner? Hell yeah. Darius' mentor. Went and worked him out the weekend before the draft.

They had that little piece of the turf outside. Yeah, in the bubble. And there was a little field house. And then there was this little piece of grass in some brick on the other side. Yeah, you keep saying little pieces of grass. That's the situation just not enough grass to be a real city they sent me the last you know there's a couple days left you could be out and work out a kid so went and met lee and we did some board stuff and then went outside and put him through some drills and shoot i think we college free agent yeah play play big time ball. Got a big contract to the Patriots.

Hell yeah. Yeah, you knew that. Absolutely. He's one of my favorites. What a beautiful universe. Overlooking everything. Great view. Great view.

Why did Diggs go there? What made him go there? He's a dog, dude. They recruited him. I wanted to play at the highest level that I could possibly play at, and that was it. Fucking one double A. Go Dukes!

You play football and basketball? Nope. And baseball. Dang. All three. I don't know if they have a baseball team. I think they got a soccer team. They got both. Good baseball team. They got a good soccer team, too, don't they? They had the bubble. They had the old bubble that, like, any

soccer team practiced in in the middle of downtown pretty much over their field. Been there since like 1995 probably. That's why when Cincinnati just built one for their NFL team, it's like I've literally seen this university in Pittsburgh have this thing forever, and it's just they turn on some generators. Yeah, every winter.

Every winter. So easy. Covered like 70 yards of the football field. And they had uprights in there. I used to blast. Oh, so they took it down? They took it down when it was warm? Yeah.

It just wheeled it off. It was like collected and then like wheeled off. Had uprights on the side of the thing, though. That's what Harvard does, too. Yeah, that's been around forever. That's why what's happened. We don't have to say it. We don't have to hammer it.

We don't have to do it. They got one. Go ahead. Yeah, they're back. Is it not amazing that they didn't have a single bubble? They didn't even have a bubble until this year. Not when you know. No, but we should be happy that they got one. Go ahead. Yeah, they're back. Is it not amazing that they didn't have a single bubble? They didn't even have a bubble until this year. No, but we should be happy that they got it. Yeah, absolutely.

Hey, we're happy you got it. Joey B, the bubble that Joey B built. It's about to be that entire, I think, franchise that Joey B built. They're investing. They're doing business. Ian Rapport said they're thriving financially. They can afford an extension. I think you get the deal done with Joey Burrow as quick as possible

if what Ian Rappaport is saying is accurate. Don't you think, Darius? Like he said, he's him. The window is as long as he's there. You got a quarterback. He said he blacks out, by the way. He didn't remember saying that he's him. I love it.

Yeah, the teammates. I'm asking the teammates about him saying that in all of them. Well, yeah, he is. Been saying that all year. Yeah, he's not the only person saying that. You hear what we say about him. that. Did he not? In all of them, yeah. Well, yeah, he is. Been saying that all year. Yeah, he's not the only person saying that. You hear what we say about him. Yeah. I mean, you heard it.

We said Burrowhead. Yeah. You heard what we said. Everybody loves that guy, huh? He is the state of Ohio. He's changed everything. He's changed everything. Anyone I come across in Ohio, that's all they do is talk about the Bengals,

talk about Joey Burrow. They want to get out to the Super Bowl if they make it. He has changed. Random people that are casual fans are die the Bengals, talk about Joey Burrow. They want to get out to the Super Bowl if they make it. He has changed. Random people that are casual fans are diehard Bengals fans now. I should say fans that were always kind of Bengals fans, but they were always like, hey, man, the team, when are they going to lose? They were always negative about it. Now they're very positive, and they have a new lease on life, I feel like.

Let's go around the NFL a little bit. Some great fan bases. Obviously, New England, Mass Holes, great fan bases. What? Baltimore, that stadium, whenever little bit. Some great fan bases. Obviously, New England. Mass holes. Great fan bases. What? Baltimore. That stadium. Whenever they're humming. Great fan bases.

Whatever the fuck Baltimore people are called. Whatever. Baltimoreans. Whatever they are. Let's go over to Pittsburgh. Yinzers. Fuck. Like, Yinzers.

The humans that Yinzers are. Great fucking atmosphere. You talk about Cincinnati, Ohio fucks having a reason to be like you know herb street sent me those videos this year from the stadium and i was like damn this it felt like a college at through everything it's not like you know some nfl games are like a little bit like this with the crowd you know and there's good places there's bad places and there's obviously ebbs and flows of every single game but there's some fan bases that don't care like they're in they're in the game it's like sitting is not an

option like we're not sitting there's some stadiums where if you stand you can get ejected because you're fucking blocking somebody's view and then there's some stadiums where if you're to sit down probably going to get beat up so it's like there's obviously different environments cincinnati has become a place i think the people do not want to fucking go play in right i think so yeah i haven't been there like on a game day with old joey b at the helm but i would imagine it's it's much louder than it has been in the past no question not only louder also you give some ammunition to some boys out there they feel confident too they those fans feel confident now for the first time in a long time as well yeah like what you're saying is real yeah like what you're saying now is that's why new england fans like not only are they

mass holes so they're probably shit talkers to begin with bingo and the way they operate but then they also have like the greatest dynasty in the history of sport with just the pull from yeah like oh yeah i remember when blah blah oh yeah you also boom boom boom and they just have that so it's like arsenal they got joey burrow who's an Ohio fuck, leading the way, beating everybody. You know, and the way they're framing this is the NFL is against us. You know what I mean? Yeah. The neutral site game, the coin flip deal with Baltimore.

Like the city is alive, obviously, because of the Bengals. But also it's like it's the NFL versus Cincinnati right now. Yeah. That's a great place to be, dude. As a coach, more specifically, but just as a whole, it's fucking incredible. Even that stadium when they played the Ravens, obviously it was an unbelievable play, so anybody would go nuts at it. But when Hubbard returned that kick, even on the broadcast,

you could tell, like, holy shit, these people love this fucking team. And we talk about coaches who emulate the city and the region. Like, Burrow is the perfect Cincinnati guy. Obviously, he's from Ohio, but for a team like the lack of respect the Bengals get Burrow with how he was at Ohio State, the lack of respect he got when he was there. And then even now, when there is a promo ran on the NFL's Instagram, and it's the Chiefs. Flat. It's the Eagles. Flat. It's the Niners NFL's Instagram and it's the Chiefs what it's the Eagles what it's the Niners what and it's the Bills and they don't have the Bengals in there because the promo that they probably had prepared was for those four is that real what was that on

oh yeah I was real it's on the NFL's Instagram on one of their stories they ran like a promo for winter hats and the four teams that were on there were those four teams and it wasn't the bangles like the way that cincinnati has been able to just kind of buy into this team and it's even the coaching staff like fuck zach taylor he's a shitty coach three years ago and then you look at lou anarumo who we were talking to it's like this dude has been just a grinder for 25 plus years and you ask him 25 1989 yeah 1989 he said. Yeah, sure, even longer. I'm thinking just NFL. Yeah, you go all the way back to when he was at Wagner College. He's been grinding for a long, long time.

And then you ask him, like, hey, why aren't you getting any NFL consideration, NFL head coaching considerations? He's like, I don't know. Fuck it. They don't care. Chuck, you're using all that, right? Zach Taylor's using all that stuff. Now, granted, you see Zach taking the game ball down to the bars.

Hell, yeah. And, like, I love that. You know, that's, like, so old, old, old, old, old, old school. Like, before, like, even television nationally existed, like, just, like, local. Like, you go down to a local spot and, like, do it. Now, there's probably a lot of bars and locals and regulars and a lot of other places that are like, what the fuck? What's that bar? On our bar, which is you're never going to be able to win.

But from the outside looking in, it's like he's doing it the right way almost. It's like, let's build this thing together. They're kind of all against us. And he's using all of that, right, Chuck? Those things are probably on a loop. You know, he played it over and over and over again. The ticket sales down in Atlanta, what you were talking about connor yeah he's you know that they feel like their family they feel like they are totally part of that team and zach zach had to grow into that

you mentioned three years ago he didn't look like the same dude he looks like today just from a confidence stamp everything about it i mean it's it's um but that light show they play and when they play welcome to the Jungle, is that what you're talking about? All those lights going off? I didn't even think about that. The phones are going off and it's like and as a player, you know as a player we've been in some stadiums where it's like

felt like COVID and it wasn't COVID. Got Kiss Cam going and stuff like that. One o'clock games, yeah. Jacksonville. And they all expect to show up and kick your ass now. So they expect to win. And the fans are also.

And they are. Yeah, and the fans are expecting to win too, as they should. They get an extension done, though. That sets it for Lamar, right? Herbert. So who's going to blink first almost? If I'm Joe, Joe, if you offer joey burrow and this sounds so we know lamar's asking price because we know the comps in which it's being compared obviously that's what comp

stands for but every conversation is leading to the deshaun watson contract so was it that he didn't get deshaun's contract does he want a little bit less than deshaun contract does he want more than what they actually offered which is is like $100 million less guaranteed money than Deshaun Watson got? Is there somewhere in the middle? Everybody's assuming that Lamar wants $235 million as opposed to what Deshaun has at $230 million. Do we know if that's the case, or does he just want it to be respectable in there? What does Joey Burrow want? Does Joey Burrow potentially want a deal that's obviously huge but he understands at this stage of his life because of how he has

done that the big games are the games that matter you know joe snow happens in joey burrow's brand not that joe burrow cares about his brand but if we're talking about making money commercials doing things like that to offset prices that you would normally have in a football contract? Will he be a guy who will, you know, figure out the contract deal to help the Bengals out who we know are just opening for business now? No offense. That's real, though. Like, what do you think he does with this whole situation? I mean, he's in he's not in a great spot for him. That's that's where it kind of works against him being the Ohio kid and the hometown guy and all this that if he doesn't take like a team-friendly deal people can get pissed at hometown discount like exactly the definition of a hometown discount right here is

what we're looking at but yeah i would expect him to i mean i don't think he's going to jump out there and say like i want 250 guaranteed but i would imagine he wants what he deserves and he and he is willing to i guess craft that contract to where it could help open up space in the future. They'll go keep kicking the can every year when they need to sign more people. Yeah, one of those 10-year deals like the Patrick Mahomes has with the Chiefs. That makes the most sense, doesn't it? They do something like that, and then in four or five years, they rework it again. Granted, they're never going to let go of him. So why wouldn't you do a 10-year deal?

I mean, I guess now it's like. What if it's a 15- or 20-year deal? That's what I'm saying. What if it's just like, hey, we got you for your whole career, okay, and we're going to figure this out as we go. Here's the amount of money that we're going to pay you for basically the next 10 years. And if we don't like it, guess what? We can renegotiate this.

But this is what we're going to give you as a signing bonus. It's going to be prorated over 20 fucking years here yeah let's just act like you have another 20 years cool sweet and then boom his cat his cap hit isn't as big and they can rework it 10 years from now when the salary cap might be 500 million exactly who knows you know he's a smart guy right and he wants to win yes and he knows if i take I take 50% of the cap, you pay me that, I got no pieces around me. So he knows he's got to have Higgins and Boyd and Chase and Lex and all those guys.

Offensive lines. So don't you think, I mean, they're going to pay him what he's worth, but also on his hand, he also knows that in order to keep this thing going and run this thing back and continue to run it back, you can't pay me a King's ransom. So Tom always took a pay cut. He took it as a signing bonus, and then it was nowhere near the top. But I think he did have, obviously, accumulation of contracts.

That is obviously a lot more than anybody else in comparison to Holden. It just came out. Who made the most money? I thought it was Tom. I think Ben was in there. I think Ben Wallace- it was Tom. I think Tom... Ben was in there? I think Ben Roethlisberger was in there. Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was in there.

When it came... So, nowadays, though, the model is you have to break the record for the next player behind you. Exactly. It's like that is almost like forced upon. And I don't want to say forced upon as if it's a bad thing, because, hey, get all the fucking money that you can get, you know what I mean? Do whatever you can do, it's your body you can only play for a certain amount of time and all the people that say they get to play the game

they do, but also the owners get to make billions of money off of me playing so if they're making money, we should also probably make some money in this entire thing, that's the way business works so like, I appreciate guys going and getting all their money, but I do believe, like, even Aaron said it, right?

Aaron said it on Tuesday. He's like, with the way the salary cap is and things that you can do, I understand that I'll probably have to rework my contract to help out and make it more salary cap friendly if I was to come back and play football or whatever. Like, that's just kind of the way the world is right now, now I think so maybe this will lead to a guy taking a hometown discount but if they don't I also understand completely so it's a it's a fascinating give and take situation in like the player reset in the market we saw with Roquan Smith this year like hey I need to be the next

guy at the middle linebacker position because I'm resetting what these guys are going to get paid but like even when you think about the Mahomes 10-year, $500 million or $470 million, whatever the hell it actually ended up being, that resetting of the market lasts for maybe a year because then you know the next year after someone else is going to reset the market and then someone else. So if Burrow does decide in the Bengals, hey, let's sign this guy right now because it might reset the market but

if we do a 10 year x amount you know deal then we can work these other pieces like my homes and granted they lost tyreek hill but they are able to add other smaller pieces brought in juju juju traded for tony mvs gets brought in like they could still add whereas like you're seeing it right now with the bills the bills did like a six-year massive deal and now they have there's a loophole in the salary cap yes and some teams are using it and some teams are not i think everybody's going to have to start if you want to keep up and it is you just but to do that you have to find your yeah a long-term pillar you have to find a long-term pillar that's at a big money position because that person is normally going to eat up some of your cap and you have to be able to just commit to them for a long

time you can just cut their car but deshaun changed everything though right like as far as connor was saying reset in the market deshaun's contract changed at all it really did but did it until somebody might until somebody gets a full guaranteed deal like that 230 it's not going to change go ahead jerry i'm just saying that thathaun deal, as time continues to go on, it may, and obviously we'll see, obviously Kyler and Russ signed deals. We'll see what Burrow and Herbert and Lamar and these guys. But it kind of seems like, at least to me, that Deshaun deal may just remain an outlier.

An anomaly. It feels like it. It may just be kind of a one-on-one. Because once these owners kind of all get on the same page, I mean, it just happened with Sean Payton. We'll see how that plays out. And then when you put this – No, no, that would be colluding, I think.

What are you talking about? You put north of $200 million guaranteed to somebody. Most guys are going to take that and, like you said, work around, work a good deal so you can build a team around. So I think that Deshaun Watson deal, shout out to his agent. We got unbelievable work by him. But that may remain an anomaly for a while. That was a mark for my

deal that I signed with the Clicks. If I just look back and think about it. But I was very focused, conscientious on, at my position, if you have a contract worth any value that is seemingly loud, know like huh that's like six rookies that we could potentially have for that or like whatever i thought about that

whenever i was going through the whole process and i was nowhere near as good as i would become over the next like couple years or so but like taking a sound deal and obviously it's much different than quarterback like that's being played with every position. Like, they hung Andrew Luck's contract over my head during negotiation. We're going to have to pay this guy. Like, that's happening at every position. The quarterback position is obviously so huge, and obviously there's guys that reset the market.

But, man, what a fascinating turn it would be if Joey Burrow, Lamar, I don't know how that's going to work out, especially at this stage. But if they were to offer him $200 million, which is not $230 million, but if you were to offer him $200 million, that's $30 million less than Tom, which he is better than, has accomplished more, and has provided the community. Like $200 million is fucking $200 million. You know what I mean?

Pretty nice. It's pretty nice, yeah. All of this makes me think how pissed the league is at the Cleveland Browns right now that they gave the deal to Deshaun. They're probably like, hey, man, we weren't ready to get – we knew we were going to eventually have to pay quarterbacks that much, but we're not there yet. We don't want to be there yet.

Exactly. It feels like the fully guaranteed in the Browns' entire situation is they were what? The most desperate football team in the league that needed to win it's structured perfect for him too like it's structured for deshaun too it's not structured where the browns have many adults no like it's really bad but you also talk about it too pat you know like we'll see if burrow actually does that kind of stuff with like the national like marketing deals like him being on commercials like it seems like he's kind of all ball but like if he does take something for a little bit less,

he'll have all those opportunities. I think it was pretty understood, like, hey, Deshaun, guess what? You ain't going to be in a fucking Subway commercial. So what you make from this contract, that's what you're making, and that's it. Okay, so that's a great point. I did not think about that. But even if Joey Burrow doesn't do, let's say he doesn't do commercials or on camera, Joey Bur even if Joey Burrow doesn't do, let's say he doesn't do commercials or on camera,

Joey Burrow being Joey Burrow, I assume there's a lot of businesses that would love Joey Burrow to get involved. For sure. He can make as much money as he wants. He can make as much money off the field as he is willing to go and put in the effort. He wants to do a Q&A. He wants to do a Q&A at some company fucking lunch that just wants to pay. I mean, I heard- He crosses over.

I don't know if you know. I'm saying I was out. We went to dinner last night, and a bunch of people showed up with their kids and everything that we know. And every person was talking about the Bengals and Joey Burrow. I had multiple of my buddy's wives come up and talk to me and how pumped they are. So whatever he does, it crosses over. He's a superstar.

What were you implying there? It sounded like you were implying something. Yeah, that's all. I was implying that they, like I said before, a lot of them were negative fans in the past and now they have this new lease on life. Joey Burrow has turned our team around. No, I thought he was doing like. What? Like.

I thought that's what he was inferring to. The Collins situation. No, no. What happened with him? Well, he acted like a lady in Pittsburgh knowing football was. Unbelievable. Wait, on TV? Holy shit.

I thought AJ was doing like a cuck situation. That's what I thought. I thought it was a cuck situation. I thought it was doing a cuck situation that's what I thought, I thought it was a cuck situation I thought it was a full cuck situation that he was trying to, that's what he was implying because that's who's talking I thought he was saying like yeah even my buddy's wives who don't know football it's fucking Ohio bro

you've never been to Ohio Con man a lot of wives know a lot more than their husbands about football which by the way Collinsworth kind of You haven't been to Ohio Con, man. A lot of wives know a lot more than their husbands about football. Yeah, that's Ohio. I wouldn't know. Which, by the way, Collinsworth kind of – How about when people were like, Collinsworth just said the women don't know football,

and he was like, I live in Ohio. Like, fucking, what are we even talking about? Sally McAfee might be the smartest football person of all time. Watch a game with her. I mean, it would be – She's very passionate about everything and she gets scared to death anytime i was a part of anything and then she's like throw it throw it throw obviously the whole i think the nfl has done an incredible job by the

way yes i think that's only going to continue to happen and i think sports gambling helps out a lot my wife hits all the time on these fucking like like, she views them as scratch-offs, pretty much. Just like, any time touchdown parlay, she'll put a buck on it. It ends up being, like, plus 3,700 or something. And then she's like, well, what number is, and she'll say the name, I'm like, 19. Why is he on the field?

Like, you know, like, it's awesome. I think it's a great thing. But he was talking about them having sex with Joey Burrow. Oh. Yeah. I wasn't. I was not talking about them having sex with Joey Burrow. Oh. Yeah. I wasn't. I was not talking about that. Now, if Joey offered, if Joey offered, I would gladly accept all of these ladies. But.

Hey! Exactly. You implied it. Exactly what we were talking about. They're open about it, man. They're open about it. Yeah, why wouldn't they? They're open about that, dude. Good looking guy.

He is handsome. He's got the curly hair. Perfect hair. Cool glasses. He's super cool. Smile. Does he got a girlfriend? Yeah. Yeah, the world. He's from Iowa. No, he's handsome. He's got the curly hair. He's super cool. Smile. Does he have a girlfriend? Yeah.

Yeah, the world. He's from Iowa? No, he's not. He was born in Iowa. I saw his graphic. Just wait. Just wait. Yeah, Iowa State fans will start fucking claiming Joe Burrow.

Just wait for it. What are you talking about? He was born in Ames. His dad coached at Iowa State. He lived in Ames for maybe like two months. He didn't move to Ohio until he was 10. And then, boop. He was 8. He came to Ohio, I think. 10, 9. His dad'sed at Iowa State. He lived in Ames for maybe like two months. He didn't move to Ohio until he was 10. And then, boop. He was eight.

He came to Ohio, I think. Ten, nine. His dad's a coach. Are you guys negotiating on what age it was, or do we both not? No, I heard eight, but it doesn't matter. So you heard 10, you heard eight, probably nine. Yeah. Okay.

He's underselling Ohio. Yep. He's overselling Ohio. Classic. That makes sense. Probably at nine, if we had to guess in the conversation part. Iowa State does that, too. Massive shot to Brock Purdy, and that tells us all we need to know about Iowa State.

No, no, no. That's why it almost can't be 49ers-Bengals in the Super Bowl, because these fucking Iowa State fans, these miserable sons of bitches. Iowa State versus Iowa State. That'll be the biggest story of the week. It's an Ames boy. Yeah, exactly. Versus Cyclone Star.

Yeah, can't happen. Wow. Can't happen. Congrats to Iowa State. Yeah. He's a jugger boy. Yeah, exactly. Versus Cyclone Star. Yeah, can't happen. Wow. Can't happen. Congrats to Iowa State. Yeah. It's a juggernaut. Cyclones, who knew? Why do you hate them so bad, Ty?

I went to Iowa. Yeah, why do you hate Michigan, AJ? I'm just wondering. No, I wonder what the hate is. Because it's the same thing. Iowa State always sucks, and then the Iowa game is their Super Bowl every single year. So they can go 3-9 or whatever it is and then you know like they'll beat iowa one year and then they'll talk about it for the next 20 years meanwhile you know i will beat them fucking

15 years in a row and we don't say anything because it's like a fucking bug hitting the windshield but you know and then you get matt campbell oh he's gonna go coach in the nfl they win eight games when the big 12 stinks and you know stinks, and it's the end of the world. It's just sickening if you're from the state. All right, and on that note, I would like to let you know, go Cyclones. Yeah, that's fine. Go Cyclones. Going up.

Go basketball team, though. I did get a lot of information, though, about Iowa from Ty because you can hear the passion of his Hawkeye fandom. It's a Hawkeye state. It always will be. Did you guys move on yet from the offense coordinator or what? Good question. I mean, there was the – a lot of people were sending cameo requests

to, like, all the different, like, head coaches at Iowa saying, like, you need to get your son to step down. And a lot of them didn't know. So, like, there was, like, a nice little Super Cup put together that was very funny. But, no, I expect Brian Fererencz to be back next year. I will go 7-6 again. Great win in the –

You guys lose in Iowa State again? You lose in Iowa State again? Oh, no. No. Is that what this is all about? I doubt it. I got the new quarterback. Yeah, not with Cade McNamara at the helm.

Yeah, there it is. Not a chance. Explosive offense this year. It's coming. That's right. He's been in the playoff. We did lose, you know, one of the top ten recruits in the nation, Iowa boy who's been committed for a long time.

He flipped Alabama. That one hurts a little bit. Saban. Yeah. Oh, my God. He came in. All right. Is that what he said?

Pretty much. And that was all it took. I can't blame him. You know? What position? Tackle. Yeah. Damn.

Oh, my God. Which is a shame because, I mean, I was known for the O-line. Not anymore. Not anymore. They're going to Alabama. Holy shit. What happened? He does okay?

I mean, that one hurts. It does. It does. We'll be okay. He might not be any good anyways. Exactly. Yeah. He probably will be, but, I mean, it's, you know.

Maybe get him in a portal next year. Maybe. Yeah, you never know. Come back home. There we go. Yeah, because Ferentz in a portal next year. Maybe. Yeah, you never know. Come back home. There we go. Yeah, because Ferentz will use the portal, right? He will. And NIL and everything, he'll use it all.

NIL, we're still kind of warming up to that. But the portal for sure. There's not a collective? I mean, there is. It's just every hayseed farmer. They don't really have an actual, you know. They don't love paying players. I mean, this is college football.

There's certain ways to do this. And paying guys isn't the way to do it. Where do you think that tackle got to go to Alabama? Yeah. There was probably some sort of incentive-based operation. I would assume. That's modern college football. Yeah. Didn't get a John Deere, though.

Well, I don't know. Kate Stover got one. He's over there in Ohio. I don't know any Iowa guys that got a John Deere NIL deal. I think Jack Campbell was a John Deere athlete. But, you know, I mean, we'll see. We'll see. Deere knows what they're doing.

They know what they're doing. Cade Stover was a dog, huh? That guy. He is. He's coming back, yeah. He's awesome. He'd go home in the offseason and, like, give birth to calves. Yeah, work on the farm.

Real farmer. Real farmer. Yeah. Real farmer. Actual rancher farmer thing. I don't know which one. Ranching? I did some ranching. I was out there ranching.

I think he's more of a farmer. Midwest, I would guess, farmer. Yeah. I was just ranching. Or cows and stuff. Raising cattle. Ranching like horses and stuff. Well, and when the steers are running away.

Naturally. That's right. Well, get over here. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. You fucking... Do they listen to you? Hey, you go right here.

Show them who's boss. Well, first of all, you got to run next to them. You got to get up to them, first of all. A little side car. Normally on a horse. I was normally on a horse when I was doing it. They only showed my one where I was running. Right.

I did a bunch of horse ones. Oh, where you flew off and you ran down the line and took it down? Yeah, that's what it actually is. They actually had an ATV. So they practiced. There's some early stages are like practicing off of an ATV. I was going to do that. I forget what happened.

I think all parties agreed probably just let's not dive off of anything. That's moving. That's probably a smart idea. So that was a good move. off of anything that's moving that's a probably smart idea so that was a good move and they were in the montana state rodeo team top of the top i was lucky to be a part of their barn there for a little bit yeah okay i was lucky to be in there i peed in their urinals i peed in the same grounds that the montana state rodeo four times no two national champions multiple times but this one right

here, this, this steer wanted to run away from the Montana State Rodeo team. And I said, we need you. We need you. We need you. Boom. Was it, how much force did it take to twist his head to get him down? Okay. So I was, I was a little bit, you know, I was not necessarily like pumped about that aspect. I said, I got no problems with this thing. You know what I mean? I don't need to rip it by its neck. And they're like, nah, nah. This guy was much tougher than you'll ever be. Okay? Please do not even act like that.

And this is called steer wrestling, I do believe. And you got to get hands on. Then you push. You do this thing. You push. And then it's a full turn over to the... Yeah, I used my leg at the end. I didn't want to...

I think you've got to be a little bit more violent, I think. And I didn't have it in me. You know, I didn't kill him, but don't push me. We'll come after you no matter what. Yeah, they were not happy. A lot of people were not happy about it. Did they laugh at you when you thought... Like, did they laugh at you when you said, like, hey, I don't want to break this thing's neck?

They laughed, like, okay, bud. Yeah. Exactly,, like, hey, I don't want to break this thing's neck? They laughed. Like, okay, bud. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I said, is anything going to happen to this? I don't want to, like, it seems like you're really, and they're like, you're tougher than this cow is here right here? And I'm like, no, I'm just asking. They're like, no.

Okay, please. Jesus. So that whole thing, it was fun. But I saw one a little slow, and then my leg kind of took it down late. It was a little bit of a softer one. But that was a wild time. When you're eye-to-eye with that thing, too, before it comes busted out, there's a lot of like, why am I?

What the fuck just happened? How am I in this moment right here? Happy that cow cooperated alongside me. I don't know if it's cow, steer, or bull, or whatever. But I am very pumped about what happened out there. We have some breaking news in the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, it is being reported that the Carolina Panthers have hired Frank Reich as their next head coach. Frank Reich, formerly the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts, obviously was able to make it to the playoffs with Phillip Rivers.

Then when Carson Wentz came into town, things kind of unraveled at the end of the year. And then, obviously, what happened this past season where he went into New England and struggled, and Jim pulled the plug early in the year. I do believe Frank Reich has the capability to be an incredibly successful head coach. Do they have all the pieces around him there to be able to succeed? They don't have a quarterback.

They're going to have to be in the market for that whole thing. And they have a nucleus, though. It seems like that played good football after Christian McCaffrey was traded, after Robbie Anderson was traded, after Matt Rule was fired. They still played some good football. So it seems like the culture's there. A lot of people thought Steve Wilkes was going to get that job because what he was able to do was seemingly a mail-it-in year with a lack of their best weapons, but other dogs stepped up. What are your thoughts on Frank Wright getting another gig this quick, and how do you think this is going to be received by everybody, A.J. Hawk?

I mean, Frank must have been very impressive in the interview process, I would imagine. How long was he out of a job? Ten weeks or something? I don't know when he got fired. It hasn't been that long. He's the guy now. I would assume it has a lot to do with the offense and whoever they're going to come try to have be their next franchise quarterback. they think frank could be a great guy for him chuck pagano why do you think frank wright got the job what do you think he told uh david tepper the second richest owner in the nfl obviously they hire matt rule uh to be the head coach out of baylor they give him like a 70 million dollar contract for his first head coaching role in the NFL.

Turned a lot of heads. Matt Rule is going to come in. He brings in Joe Brady from LSU. He's going to run the offense. I believe Teddy Bridgewater was the first quarterback that they signed off of the Saints. He was a free agent. And then just from that point, it was just turnover at quarterback, offense coordinator, everything, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Cam Newton was back on an $11 million deal, I think, or $10 million deal for like six weeks. Everything just went bad. Quarterbacks out, coaches out, Matt Rule fired. Now they feel that Frank Reich will be the guy that'll be able to turn it around. Why do you think this was the case? And what do you think Frank Reich was saying in that interview to get the gig there, Chuck Pagano? Well, obviously he went in and had a vision and a plan and he's got a winning record here. Yep. And he just didn't forget how to not coach football you know so when things start to go bad sometimes you're it just runs out you know there's a shelf life for all these jobs and i think the message and whatever just kind of went south here so i'm happy for frank he gets another opportunity maybe steve we're all pulling for steve because he did a hell of a job coach because he did a hell of a job, Coach Wilkes. Did a hell of a job. Maybe he's part of the equation, too.

Maybe he sticks around, runs the defense. Who knows? So they've got some good coaches down there, but I'm happy for Frank. Jim's happy, too. Yeah. Yeah, he's got another job. He doesn't feel bad. Oh, yeah, he doesn't have to pay him, offsetting, obviously, the payment.

And it's the second richest owner in sports in the NFL. Let's assume that that deal is going to be good. Darius, your thoughts on Frank Reich, the new head coach of the Carolina Panthers? I think A.J. and Coach Chuck knocked it out of the park. I think he went in there, did a great interview process. Offensive guys out here came in there with a plan. I don't know if we've ever seen two. So two coaches got fired during the season.

Now one goes to Carolina. That's interesting. But pulling for Frank as well, man. It is. It is fascinating. Oh, yeah. Carson Wentz. Hmm?

Think he tries to bring him? No way. Hell no. Thought they were boys. They were. They were. He admitted to her saying, I thought I could fix him. I couldn't.

Frank was on the Carolina Panthers, their first ever game. First ever quarterback, yeah. First ever quarterback on the Carolina Panthers, their first ever game. First ever quarterback, yeah. First ever quarterback for the Carolina Panthers, Frank Reich. From Buffalo, obviously Bill Polian, I think, was brought in to build that original Carolina Panther team as an expansion. Adam Schefter is reporting Frank Reich attended seminary in Charlotte after his playing career and still maintains an off-season home in the area. One of his daughters recently started working in the Panthers marketing department.

His brother just finished his 22nd season as head coach at Wingate University. Whoa, roots. Pretty connected to the area. Pretty connected to the area. Maybe they trade for Matt Ryan. There we go. Yes, he knows your system. Yep.

He knows exactly what you need. Had a lot of success together. Who finished down there for him, Sam Bradford? Yeah, Darnold. Darnold. Or Darnold, excuse me. He played pretty well, actually. Sam Bradford, good spin there. Darnold. Or Darnold, excuse me. He played pretty well, actually. Sam Bradford.

Darnold played pretty well. Yeah, towards the end, he played great, but now it's a whole new offensive system. Is Frank calling the plays? Yeah. You think? Come on. Either him or Parker Washington. Jesus Christ, he's calling the plays. He's not calling the plays. And that whole deal, Parks-Fraser got no chance there. Guys, your assistant quarterback coach,

30 years old, and then, hey, congratulations. You're calling plays now. No offense to Parks. Parks Frazier. Right? So Frank didn't go in and say, hey, this is going to be my offense coordinator. With Parks? Yeah.

Saturday, Mike. Okay, well, we all know that. Yeah, so you don't get the job. Dan Orlovsky is allegedly Saturday's offense coordinator because Dan Orlovsky told the world. He's good at protection schemes. Well, he doesn't seemingly understand all the protections, but that's what happens whenever an offensive lineman feels slighted.

They're going to point out everything. Yes. He doesn't need to know because Jeff does. Can I ask Chuck? Bingo. Marcus Brady, go. Absolutely. Strausser, go.

With Frank? These are guys on the Colts staff. Yeah. He fired. Didn't he fire Brady before he got? Yeah. Probably not. Yeah, you just don't know where those directives come from.

Correct. And how the messaging goes? So we'll find out. If he does hire Marcus, then you'll know. Mike McCarthy just had to fire a bunch of the coaches. And the way the message was put together, which we love, everybody loves Joe Philbin, I think literally everybody that's ever met him, that seemingly came – like, as it read, it was like Mike McCarthy was like,

hey, we're not doing the same thing, Jerry Jones said. And coaches understand that? Is it just all in the delivery of the message? Is that what it is? No, we all know. Like Greg said, he knows what he signed up for when he went into the booth. I think all coaches and players know what you sign up for, and it's a possibility.

Chuck, how do DCs, how do coaches feel like when McDaniel got hired by the Dolphins and they kept the entire defensive coaching staff? Say Frank gets hired by the Panthers, they keep the entire coach, or not the entire, Wilks stays on because that was a really good defense. How would Wilks feel about that after he just interviewed for the head coaching job there? You've still got to have a job. So if there's an opportunity for him somewhere else, then maybe he goes and looks at that opportunity. Who knows if that's there. But if it's your only deal,

you got to sign up for it. You'll do it. So, yeah. Well, congrats to Frank Reich on our gig. Congrats to Jim Erson. I don't think anybody expected that. No. I guess it's starting to heat up though. They already put it together like staffs, potential staffs as of yesterday.

He is now the Carolina Panthers. Might win a couple of Super Bowls. Certainly possible. You have no idea. They won't. You have no idea. Yep, they won't. You don't think he learned from everything that had happened here in Indianapolis?

He's a backup quarterback a long time. He's a learner. That's literally what he is. He's definitely learned. I think the biggest takeaway from watching the playoffs now is without Young, all these quarterbacks are at these teams, it's going to be really hard to win a super bowl with who's left right oh it's the nfl baby let's get to a break they may trade up though too and get like the quarterback they want like they if they he really likes stroud or someone like that if he loves will levis he loves

bill levis you know maybe they go up and go get him so how does the putting your staff together where i remember you saying when you got the job, your first call was the BA, Bruce Arians. How does that work with coaches that are already on other staff? So he's already had a list, and he's got a list of three or four deep at every spot, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator. Does he ask them before putting a list together? No, you get on the phone. You talk to their agent.

You talk to those coaches. Hey, look, I'm in the running for this deal. Would you like to come as this? So he's got a list because you're not always going to get A, B, C. You may go down to D, depending on who's available. You get these jobs this late, and there's people, you know, that are not available because they're under contract. So there's a lot of things that come into play.

But they go in with that in mind, knowing what that owner is going to want to hear. Hey, these are potential guys that I got coming with me. I just got lucky with B.A. Tomlin and the Steelers had to move on and didn't have to,, hey, these are potential guys that I got coming with me. I just got lucky with B.A. Tomlin and the Steelers had to move on and didn't have to, I guess. Could have stuck around, but they chose to. Directed from the owner, allegedly. Exactly.

Which we were just talking about, how you let a guy go there. Going through potential staffs is probably a good part of the interview process. Who you're bringing with. That's a huge part of it. process yeah who you're bringing with yeah that's oh that's a huge part yeah no your vision what you have what you how you the vision for the program and how we're going to build one for sustained success and who's going to help me do that that's huge are you calling

the plays or if you're not who's going to be calling them this is a good time to be watching because if you haven't seen the rest of our show, know that what you're about to see is so much better than what we've been doing. It's a miracle that it's taken two hours and 57 minutes right now to get to this point. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the education crash course that has been this entire season of the secondary. It is time for Everything DB with Darius Butler. Here we go, DB!

Let's go. Excited about this. Should be the best one of the year. Whoa! Whoa! Come on, man. We got a DB coach here, D coordinator, head coach here. Can't wait for this one.

This was, speaking of DCs, Luan Arumo was on the show yesterday. He spoke about this play. He said this was his favorite play from good old Mike Hilton out of the slot. So this will be kind of a common theme that we'll talk about today, some simulated pressure. Basically, simulated pressure is something that fans at home, it looks like a blitz. Quarterbacks, sometimes it looks like a blitz.

But as far as defense, and a blitz, for those of you who don't know, that's when you're sending more than four pass rushers at the quarterback. And that classifies it. If you only send them four, that's when you're sending more than four pass rushers at the quarterback. And that classifies it. If you only send them four, that's a normal pass rush. You still got seven guys in the coverage. If you're sending five or more, that's a blitz. So this is pressure, but not a blitz. You want to get the pressure from the nickel.

Is this the exotics and the amoebas? I wouldn't say exotics. No, I wouldn't say that. Like Joe? Yeah, I wouldn't say exotics. Exotics, you know, that's more you're sending four or five from the same side. You're doing different shit. But this is clever, though.

This is good. It's great coaching because it definitely takes a good coach and good execution. So you see right now from Mike Hilton, like, this offensive line, AQ is not going to be counting. He's not topped off by safety right now. He's not looking out there saying this guy has any chance of coming. You're anticipating, obviously, these four down rushers to be coming. But Trey Henderson up top, he'll be dropping out in coverage.

Mike Hilton will actually be the blitzer coming in late, holding that disguise. So Josh Allen, he's looking left. He sees Trey dropping out. So he believes, obviously, I got time to go through my reads. They end up dropping back into basically a cover two shell. So you still got seven guys in the coverage. Right tackle. You'll see it better from the back copy.

He never can get his hands on Mike Hill. Oh, geez. This was called a fumble on the field. Believe they overturned it and said it was an incomplete pass. Trey Henderson running to the ball, no gloves. Doing all the dirty work per usual. But you're going to see this. Another point here, another coaching point.

Once Trey, since he is dropping out into coverage, now if you run a little bit more, DJ Reader, who's a D tackle, now he's responsible to pass rush to the outside because you want to keep an athletic quarterback like Josh Allen caged in, and especially when you know you've got a speedster blitzing off from the other side. So everybody's doing their job. Everybody's on the same on the same page nine six he goes inside that right tackle he gets his hand on him and then looks out to mike hilton it's too late at that point you had to it was what 16 yards away before the snap where he came from yep you see what josh allen's looking

now okay oh shit too many these these windows are kind of blocked out over you see uh hendrickson in his window taking away the short throw. So, as a quarterback now, especially the good ones, they can kind of pick up on it. Sometimes you'll be like Brady or, you know, the older guys who've seen it a lot in the red area. We used to drop eight a lot against these guys, try to take away those windows. And they understand, okay, if you're dropping eight, I got time to go through these reads and give my receivers time to find windows. But because of Mike Hill's speed, and it's a field thing, man. You've heard him talk about Mike Hill.

He just called him a football player. It's a field thing, kind of in and out. Sometimes he's showing, sometimes he's going, sometimes he's not. Great execution from the full squad. Look, it's a common thing you're going to see with good defense. Look at this conversation going on here. It's talking there. It's another conversation going up up here.

These D linemen are talking. Everybody's talking. Quiet defense is a dead defense. I saw Bill's fans saying the Bengals wearing white is why they were so successful. Is that real? Hey, all that. Because of the snow? All of that.

Love colors. It's hard right now to even watch this. The lighting at the stadium sucks anyways. But that's also the Bills' choice to wear whatever color they want. Correct? They're the home team. They can pick. Yeah.

I wonder when they have to make that decision. Coach, I never made those calls, Coach. I don't know. Who makes that call? No, absolutely. All that comes into play. Really? When do you have to make that decision?

As far as jersey? Well. Like the Dolphins, the only ones that wear white at home. In September, like when it's going to be really hot, they choose to wear the light jerseys and make you go down there in that heat and that humidity and wear your dark jerseys, right? Okay. Yeah, so...

You should have worn the white helmets. Chuck, why'd you make Pat wear all white? Yeah, every day. He'd look sweet. No, I didn't. That's why I got in shape though 4k changed it all for me but you know people start seeing my belly but you know chuck though i mean white white dago shoes i mean that's just it's it's on it's on he can't say that i can't is he

allowed to say what he just said right there yeah i don't think that's one of those things where he can say yeah thank you i'm offended what do you mean what are you talking about i'm offended by worse like that you know i'm putting my you. I'm offended. What do you mean? What are you talking about? I'm offended by it. It's just not worse like that, you know? I'm putting my foot down. I'm offended. Yeah, but I... Everybody's offended about something. I am right now.

Ah, who cares? Oh, great. Now I'm the victim. Yeah, that's right. Well, 23andMe told me that I could have joined that conversation, I think, right? They told me that. And they told me that I couldn't. Really?

Oh, okay. All right. So... You're Irish? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not discourage't. Really? Oh, okay. All right. Shut up. You're Irish? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not discredit that. That's all I got. I can put a pinky ring on immediately.

I have a question for you, D-Bot. Yep. So Hilton being over number two. Yep. Like if quarterback in the offensive line is looking at anybody, they've got to be looking at 55, right? Because he's backed up by the safety. You mentioned a guy being backed up in that conversation. So they've got to assume that digs is going to be covered by the free safety

and that guy has no chance of coming no so the execution was amazing and then the left end that's coming he could go crashing hard inside right away yeah and not by the eyes and the attention of that tackle and give that guy time to get out there. So that was another great job. Yeah, he goes up and then out. And this is one of those simulated where they end up in Tampa, right? Yeah. Tampa 2. Yeah, great job. Because he's looking right at him because he's going up the field.

Oh, he's actually coming. Yeah. And even not pull 55, not coming. Yeah. So he stayed on him even longer. Yeah. Does Diggs come open on this? He can.

So if Josh Allen just drops back and throws this ball to the... Because this backside corner, who we talked about this too during the season, that backside corner is playing the deep half. We know... I'm not a huge fan of that. I don't like putting corners in halves because right now he's going to stop

his feet for a route that's actually been covered great by Trey Henderson, but he's going to stop his feet. Stephon Diggs, we talk about speed at three all the time. If Josh just lets his ball go, now this is better than any coverage that you can run a guy in your face, but if he has time,

which he should, ideally, that's a touchdown. Look at this guy. He gets on his fucking horse. What do we call that? A push or shove, right? Ballsy move by that fucking horse. What do we call that? Man. Shove, right? Shove, yep. And like your point is not used to that. What's that, AJ?

It's a ballsy move by that backer. He starts off with great depth, and then he kind of almost squares up and looks back at the quarterback. I'm like, man, I do not feel safe with Stephon Diggs running up the seat. Yeah. We saw this with Fred Warner. I know I'm deep at the deepest. Yep.

We saw Fred Warner running down the middle of the pipe with C.D. Lamb. So, yeah, just great execution. Pre-snap, post-snap. And defensive coaches will tell you, if you're blitzing, get your ass in there. Like, that's way too far. You know, they'll be like, you're way too far because you'll never get home. But Mike Hilton has a great feel. Probably, I would say, the best feel coming off that edge.

What is the normal distance? I mean, we've done this a couple times. It's 16 yards, I think. Yeah. I mean, you will. Yeah, that's way too far. Ideally, you'll want to be either here or, you know. Walking into it, right? Yeah, like walking into it as it snaps.

Exactly. He does get a little momentum right before the snap. Once again, just him being a great footballer. You'll see him watch him. He times it up perfectly. And he's got a full, you know, full. But if like Hendrickson, right? D-Bud, it's cool how they get to Tampa too from that.

And Hendrickson, they have different responsibilities. The end now becomes the hook curl guy. If Hendrickson is dumb and has no idea and he just sits over the ball in the middle, that guy's open and Josh Allen can just dump it to him right away probably. Exactly. Yep. It's going to be a catch and run situation. They're all on the same page.

Discipline, huh? This defense, discipline. Could Cole Beasley right off the, see him blitz and just turn around and yell at Josh Allen, or is that? Oh, no, because it's not a hot read. Remember, it's only four rushers, so nobody's hot. You know what I mean? So you run your regular route concepts.

If it was four guys coming off the same side, then he'll be in the hot progression. You think Cole's surprised that the guy was standing over top from the middle all the way back whenever he turns his head right now? You think Cole's like, what the fuck? That was the guy who was in front of me. I mean, these guys, everybody's been watching. You know 21 at this point.

Even in Pittsburgh, he was doing this coming off the edge. So this ain't nothing new. You got to be aware. Kind of like C. Wood when he was in Green Bay. You better know where the fuck 21 is. I don't care where he line up. He could be in nothing new. You got to be aware. Kind of like C. Wood when he was in Green Bay. You better know where the fuck 21 is. I don't care where he line up. He could be in two man.

He could be blitz. He could be doing whatever. So another great job. Another more simulated pressure. So you got Joss Sweat up top. You got Hassan Reddick down bottom. Probably two of their

best pass rushers. Definitely off the edge. They're actually going to blitz CJ, GJ right up the middle. And once again, only going to be... Just real quick, T's and P's. Moment of silence for CJGJ's

Kia. Kia. Well, it's a vastly superior machine. It's easy to steal now. I think it was day after, because in the video he goes, after a win? After a win, dog. He didn't get an interception, though, right?

That's tough. I guess it's easier to steal those kias now apparently they're the ones that you can get yeah it's crazy that somebody just cracked the code and was like hey here it is by the way and then every kia owner's like let's go try this out that can't be real put the club on your wheel now. Oh, I remember those. Oh, yeah. Those came in and changed the game. Anyway, CJ, GJ, former owner of a Kia. If you run it back to the beginning. So, pre-snap, we kind of put – we talked about a route with Saquon in the Minnesota game where you had the two guys.

You had one, two. They ran inside routes, and Saquon kind of leaked out and went there late. So, Daniel Jones, I think he's anticipating one of these guys being responsible for Saquon and then just swinging it out there. But he kind of fucked him with sweat just coming out of the pass rush and getting getting with and going with Saquon. And Bennett, you have a too high shell. Bradbury knows I can play this aggressive. I can play this a little spot slash because wants to, he's running a spot route, but he really wants to pick him going out to the flat. So you'll see Daniel Jones peek to his left really quick.

He wants Saquon, but then he comes back and ends up throwing it to the picker. And James Bradbury, unbelievable anticipation, great break. He just gets right to the spot. Bum! So he never, I don't think he ever anticipated Bradbury ever beating him to that spot. So you'll see it from the tight copy if we got this from the tight copy. And then this pressure in his face obviously doesn't make it any easier. And once again, you're getting pressure.

We're only sending four. You're only sending four, so it feels like a blitz, looks like a blitz, but you only got four pass rushers, one of them being a DB, and then you still got seven guys in coverage. I think so. D-Butt, look at CJ, old CJ, GJ, time up his blitz, but you only got four pass rushers, one of them being a DB, and then you still got seven guys in coverage. I think Saquon. D-Butt, look at CJ, old CJ, GJ, time up his blitz. If you go back, you see, he knows Saquon takes off in that motion, and you see CJ's like, all right, here we go.

I know they have to snap the ball here in the next second or two. Yep. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. So this back-to-back DBs timing up their blitz. So veteran player, CJ, GJ, another guy who he made his hand in New Orleans playing in the slot. So when you play in the slot, it's a lot of feel.

Like AQ, you know, those centers, those guards, like they're peeking out to those nickels to see, okay, is pressure coming? Can it come? Can it not come? Where do we slide? Where do we don't? So nickels and offensive linemen play a lot of little head games, and obviously he's, you know, been around the block for a while.

I think Danny should have thrown it to Saquon. With sweat? I mean, I think he had the edge. The design of this by John Gannon, the defensive coordinator there. Gannon. Gannon? Yep. Gannon.

Gannon. Gannon. Rock, paper, scissors. Hey, so because they get in that bear look, and it puts them in a five-down call, which means all the offensive linemen, the five offensive linemen are responsible for those five guys that are up. So nobody can come off,

and they keep the guy in the rush over the right guard so he can't come off, which is a great design. And that's why C.J. comes through as well. Everybody's talking about the Niners' defense. The Eagles' defense is unbelievable as well. Their front, unbelievable. And then their coverage, guys, when the guys up front aren't just kicking ass, the guys in the back end are covering.

Slay, Bradbury, C.J., G.J. Maddox may be coming back, I believe. So, great group. You were holding it up. Number two. One versus two. They have 70 sacks on the season. Number one offense.

Four dudes. 70 sacks? Four dudes with double-digit sacks. Nine away, right, to set the record single season? Holy fuck. Next play. Great, great defense. 70 sacks?

Yeah, four guys over double digits. Imagine how much fun that would be to watch. Imagine how much fun that would be to cover behind. So, yeah, it's a game changer, huh? Yeah, so here we go. Here we go. Pause. AJ always talks about it.

Speed at three. Putting a dynamic receiver at three always impacts the defense. I don't care what coverage you're in. You got to make adjustments. And then just keep an eye on Fred Warner. Once again, his communication to the left side of the defense, then the right side of the defense, because he knows. Hey, we got C.D. Lamb

at three. Hey, all right. Let's talk about it over here. Let's get to our check over here. So maybe it's an empty check. Let's make sure everybody's on the same page. You'll see Jimmy Ward relay it. And then Jimmy Ward, as soon as this is great hook curl play, as soon as that guy goes to the flat and you know you got a flat defender out there, continue to sink straight back and put your eyes on the quarterback. Now, from the quarterback

standpoint, you got to feel this defender out here because he's only looking at CeeDee Lamb pressing in and away from Fred Warner. And he believes, OK, this is my one on one. But running back a little bit, Jimmy Ward, like he's all over it. And when you're getting empty, especially this time of year, you know the concepts, right? Like everybody, you are who you are at this point. So I know the concepts. So I know when he's coming out, when he breaks out,

I'm either expecting him to run that stick route right now or pivot away from his leverage. And I know Fred Warner is going to be where he's supposed to be, which is inside leverage. So this is great team defense once again. And he's in that window for T.Y. Hilton if he runs a dig. Eyes on the ball, obviously tips and overthrows, running to the ball. It's great defense, man.

That ended up being the concept offensively ended up being a dice route, right? A short, quick dice route. Have you talked about why we call it dice? You're Fred Warner there. Seems like a roll of the dice. No, it's like the five spots. Like the five dice. So it's like a...

If you stop it, right, when they're all at their spots, the route, Dallas's, Fred Warner starts screaming when Zeke leaves. Yeah. So it's got to be their empty check. Empty check, yep. So cover two, empty check, which was a... Keyback. You call that what Jimmy Ward's doing.

We used to call that keyback. If your two goes out and you're in trips, keyback, you get picks all day. I watched him get picks. Oh, yeah, on those stick routes. Looks like the five would be the best. The five on a dice? Yeah. Ah.

So T.Y. ends up running. Sam Frank actually runs a lot of dice route. But T.Y. ends up running the dig and go. Gallup ran the dig, so yeah. Do teams normally run the wheel route with the center like the Cowboys did here? Very athletic center right there.

That was the center for the last play. The center can run a wheel route. That was the last play. No one's open. Communication once again, quiet defense, dead defense, everybody on the same page. No one's open. Communication once again. Quiet. Defense is dead. Defense, everybody on the same page. Empty check.

Cover two. Hands, hands. They look like it. We used to call it hands. Hands, hands. CD pivoting away. Boop, boop. Nice route.

Great poach. Was it, though? That's what he's called a poach. It was. Look at him. I mean, he's one-on-one here. Think about if Fred doesn't have any help here. That's a tough deal. Great nickel play from Jimmy Ward. Look at him. I mean, if he's one-on-one here. Think about if Fred doesn't have any help here. That's a tough deal.

Great nickel play from Jimmy Ward. He's pissed. I'm sure he didn't catch his pick. But running to the ball, good things happen when you run to the ball. Good shit, Fred. Hey, that's going to work. Great tackle. Only chink in the San Fran defense right now is the deep balls.

And that's where Jalen Hurts been efficient best in the league from wire to wire hitting like 20 25 plus balls and that's where san fran has struggled some uh travis kelsey how is he held how is he getting his own every week it seems why don't they cover the guy why don't they cover the guy this is how these are two examples it'd be this play in the next play of how travis kelsey gets lost in the sauce. Now, right here, another thing to point out, he was highlighted for a reason. That's where Sean Jenkins is actually a safety. But this is heavy personnel down here.

And the reason they're a heavy personnel, that's one, two, three safeties and one corner on the field as opposed to base, which would be two corners, two safeties. So they're heavy now because the offense comes out and 13 personnel. Now, is it really 13 personnel? No. 13 personnel would be one running back, three tight ends. But Travis Kelsey is a wide receiver, right? When we go into game plans, we go into the game records, Travis Kelsey is a wide receiver, especially without Tyreek Hill there.

But he's a wide receiver. He lines up at number one in the bunch. And when the ball snap, Mahomes is going to move the pocket. He's going to boot out. You're going to get that who Pat just had number three on. He's going to go to the flat. I'm sorry, the running back is going to go to the flat. Tight end is going to run.

This is that spider two-wide banana pretty much that John Gruden made famous. Spider two-wide banana. And then from the number one position, he blocks, actually, and then just kind of gets lost in the sauce. Find space, Patrick Mahomes, you get a flat right. What do you call that? The leak? The late.

The late guy. So he becomes the late guy that just kind of gets lost and just finds the void in the defense, and then he ends up in the end zone. So that little fake block thing, they use that a bunch, it felt like, for Travis Kelsey. I guess all tight ends use this but for travis kelsey it's even more loose because you get him on a bigger guy right because all the small guys say oh he must not be doing shit let me get out of here you just get him ready to find

space so pat mahomes is probably looking okay pause it if his first look and this is another guy who scores a bunch of touchdowns mckinnon so if you run it back a little bit like when he's near this hash he's probably looking okay is anybody out is any does anybody have leverage on his back first that's probably his first read and then he'll look and see okay is the deep seven covered they do a great job covering those guys he's covered great job on the end josh allen pass rusher now he's in coverage great job but now every everything's flowing this way so defensively everything's gonna flow that way as well and travis kelsey kind of just stops in the void

and kind of go against the grain, catching, and obviously knows exactly where to get with the ball. So that's a tough play to cover unless you're in man coverage and you say, all right, regardless of what this guy does, I'm staying on him. So do you put, like, the number one corner on Kelsey, or do you put, like, the number two and double him? Some people, depending on the body type. So if I got Jalen Ramseysey if I got Stephon Gilmore if I got you know these big long corners and that's my number one guy yeah sauce a guy like that would be a perfect matchup but if it's you

know Denzel Ward or you know Patrick Sertain will be a great matchup for him but if it's some of these other guys so it depends on the body type. Cincinnati, then, would you say double? Anybody. I say fucking double. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Bracket? So this is a double right here.

This is actually a bracket. This is on a one-yard line. It's that 90. Not as easy as you think, D, but they think to double people, too. No, just double. Double is that. Take him away. You got four eyes.

He's got two. Figure it out. So right now, we're in the huddle. Experience. Belichick's able to do it. AJ gets the call. Hey, 1-887. So that's the call right here in this huddle, right?

So number one, especially playing Andy Reid, you heard Lou talk about it. Okay, now they're coming out of the huddle. You got to find these motherfuckers, number one. It's 12 personnel. One running back, two tight ends. So let's find everybody. This linebacker, obviously, these guys are trying to line. So these are the guys doubling Kelsey and they're trying to get him lined up right now.

Which guys are? These 37 and I believe that's 48. They're doubling Travis Kelsey right now, who's kind of in a, when you see a tight end in that position, you're thinking block first, but Travis Kelsey, you're fucking double teaming. It's one double 87. So you got McKinnon out wide. We're trying to get

lined up on him late motion it's more eye candy right let me take some eye can't boom so you're gonna fake this and i'm sure they they toss this to him plenty and now he's going to the flat getting a pick he's on a one yard line so this is a legal pick you got both guys that are doubling kelsey about to get picked by this one wide receiver somebody asked him and it's like you watch this on tv you watch it at home and it's like what the houses do always walking in the end zone by himself and we'll get a better view of this from the back copy um this is leverage i think the only way you can kind of avoid that because you can't just run through a pick especially if i got two guys hey

for it you stay inside pause it uh go back a little bit more because it gotta happen earlier look at the chaos look at the chaos too look at the chaos pre-snap it's a lot of shit going on and now 37 you gotta get like i mean outside outside like nope like you gotta be by alignment there yeah you're you're already beat we got a double team and we're standing right the fuck next to each other like you got to get outside and off the ball so that you can't get picked by MVS, or you say, hey, whoever's guarding MVS, if your guy picks, you come off because you have leverage on him. What's going on, Chuck?

What happened? Chuck, that drives you to damn nuts, right? When we got the guy doubled, because everybody's saying, why don't you just double the damn guy? Well, we got double 87 on, and this flipping whoever lost his freaking mind, and we got two guys inside, to your point yeah as far as leverage goes come on man 48 knows too like hey we can't let chad henney get loose yes if he breaks the pocket he's gone they're right behind each other never right right yeah

it's that and that that little motion from that running back like you got it like it's everything happens fast if it's just one little thing i, even the chaos of trying to get lined up. Like, 48, I got to double Kelsey, and I'm trying to get my compadre lined up. Because right now, he's wide open. If Henny wanted to snap this ball and just throw it to him, they're in trouble right there. 48's a rookie, too, right? Moomup out of Wyoming.

Yeah. Shout out, Wyoming. That's pissing. Go Cowboys. Call 1-887 in the huddle. All right, we're going to take away 87. Somebody else got to beat us. And he ends up walking into the end zone.

Oh, yeah, he is just fucking wide ass. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. If he just picks, like, Brady, I don't care what the fuck he's calling the huddle. They're not at MSL. Boom, it's coming out right now. Way, way, way. Way, way, way. Legal pick route. So this one pick route ends up taking three guys. They're not They missed a line Boom It's coming out right now Wait wait wait Wait wait Legal pick route

So this This one pick route Ends up taking three guys And Travis Kelsey Walks in his own And Henny just Fucking puts a beautiful Ball right on him

Are we sure They don't want to Go with Henny What was the cadence Capping out 98 yard 98 yard drive right there Switch it up

What's the cadence Sound like Over there I think it was something like, Wait, wait, wait, wait, sir. Wait, sir. He's yelling. What did Jim say back when he did that?

Nothing. Jim no-sold it? Yeah, kind of. Because Romo said something like, Hey, you still get a five-yard penalty. He's still jumping. Jim was like, all right. Did you read his body language?

No, they weren't on screen when. They went to break. He's like, all right, we'll be right back. It was awesome. Yeah, it was unbelievable. There was just so many things happening where I was like, internet, internet. When they came back. Him having the mail.

I'm sorry, Jim. I'm not they came back. Him having the mail from Targum. I'm not ready. Got something in my mouth. Fucking keep living, Tony. Love you, Tony. Love you, Tony. He's the best. 17.

What's the next one? Oh, yeah. All right, so. Yeah. Yeah. We can run it back a little bit, Pat. So the Giants, Giants obviously doing a great job once again, getting a motion, going out empty. They do a good job aligning.

And you're trying to show Jalen Hurts something, right? This is third and five on their first drive, I believe, and now they're getting to the red area. Showing a too high shell, and you're actually going to rotate down into one robber. So he's going to go into the post. He's going to come down and rob the middle of the field. And when you got one robber, everyone else else that's in coverage you got to be outside leverage because you want to funnel him

to your help right down safety that's on dallas goddard he's going to get picked from zach paschal up top third and five so they run a execute his pick route to the first how often these are happening all the time pick routes happening all the time rub routes pick routes sometimes they try to make it try to you know do some good acting pasco actually does a great job here because this is deeper than we saw the one yard one from mvs that's legal it's a legal pick this is four or five yard down the field he actually hops out of mckinney's mckinney's way at the very last you know almost like a what do you call that matadoray? Matador? A little Matador, exactly. So he does that, and you're expecting that contact. So he still falls, and then Jalen Hurts puts a dart on the one-hand catch,

goes in for the touchdown. Third and five, this was to cap off their first, I think, Jalen Hurts was like six for six. Yep. You know. Darts. Hit the first big play down the field, which was their second play of the game with Devontae Smith.

So defense started off great. Two high shell, rotate down. And the one Robbie, you see the outside leverage there. So if he was to throw that, Devontae Smith. Defense started off great. Too high shell, rotate down. In the one robber, you see the outside leverage there. So if he was to throw that, you got help there, you got help there. You can't get beat outside in one robber. The pick route damn near makes that impossible. And once again, great execution this time from the offensive side. What you got, Chuck?

When you put them on those two guys on different levels. Yeah, if you go back to the wide fast, you see what he's talking about? I'm going through that. So, yeah, if you are anticipating a pick route he's saying but these defenders being on the same level it's easier yeah you got to back up so that you know the old buddies if he's in the slot you're he's on the point you got to back up exactly chuck you know what we used to say the guy that was on the ball had the right away right so let him because he could get his hands on him the guy on the line of scrimmage the guy that was off the ball had the right-of-way, right? So let him, because he could get his hands on him, the guy on the line of scrimmage, the guy that was off the line of scrimmage, he played off.

Yeah. So he's on the line of scrimmage here. And so we're saying McKinney should back up a little bit because if he comes – now, good receivers, good offenses, they still – they take an angle where they run at you and you have to avoid them. So maybe even if he goes over the top, he can become flat off this and still catch it and maybe be strong enough to get that first down but you at least

give yourself a better chance snag from god it was a snag had to throw a dart doesn't catch it that way this was kind of the new rage this year the the bluff the matador deal yeah running right at guys on those down and distances those situations and just and then just jump and just jump out of the way. Chuck, what would you tell them? What would you tell your defender? You've got to jump it. Well, say you get caught in that situation, you're not on different levels. Would you say, hey, you've got to turn into them and hit them

so it looks like he picked you so they throw a fight? I mean, that's one thing, but you can't guarantee with officiating the way it is, the inconsistencies, that you're going to get the call. So it's like, okay, run into them, and then they don't throw it, and then you feel bad for telling that DB to run into it, and they don't throw the flag. So what you got to say, you got to power through that. You just have to.

I mean, get on different levels. He could have. Go ahead. Your alignment. Your alignment should take care of it. Get on different levels, and to Darius's point, those guys are going to take just deeper routes. And if you try to go under, he's going to stop sooner, bluff you sooner.

If you try to go over the top of the outside pick, then that guy's just going to adjust his route and run through your outside shoulder and still pick you. That's good coaching. Good coach for receivers. Sirianni was a receivers coach. Aaron Moher, I believe, is a receivers coach out there. Chuck, think about it.

Sorry, D-Bub, but if you get in his tailpipe, they can't pick you. That's why you get in their tailpipe. No, you're exactly right. And this one, he doesn't get picked. He does the ole. If he keeps his feet, it's a tackle. He could potentially tackle him before he gets to that first down. Could you jam the shit out of him, too?

Does that help at all? Yeah. That's why when you have that right away to be on the line of scrimmage, it's your job to get a jam and disrupt what they want to do. Because if you get up there in your face and they can still do routes on fucking air like they drew it up, there's no point in you being up in the press. The thing they won't call to that is, like, if you get up there and you jam number two and you force them into the pick, then there's all bets off.

They won't call the penalty. It's like blocking into a quarterback. Yeah, because you forced them into them. So that's another catch-22 that you can't do. Good execution right there. Seems won't call the penalty. It's like blocking you. Yeah, because you forced them into them. So that's another catch-22 that you can't do. Yeah. Good execution right there. Seems to be unstoppable. Yeah. Eagles are very good. Very, very tough. I was always a big fan of

passing shit off, right? If there was any... So those splits pre-snap would tell me, hey, third and five, I'm sure that's not the first time they were in that play in that situation. Once again, we're in week 21 now. So these sh just pop up. So third and five, I see this alignment where we can potentially get this. Let's line up on the same level.

So we're both going to be four or five yards off. If they come off, we just pass it off. But you've got to prep that. You've got to walk through that. We've got to talk about it in the meeting room. You can't just get out there in the field and do that. If you run this back to the beginning, it's Jamar Chase in the backfield. Starts off in the backfield before.

So, Jabra has two plays here in the huddle, like most quarterbacks do. Once he sees the nickel aligned over Jamar Chase, he probably anticipates man coverage here, so he goes to the second play. Check, check, check. Keep an eye on that play, too. Kansas City got scored on last week. Christian Kirk been in that position. Hey, that seems like a smarter way to make them identify

than just having a running back all the way outside run all the way in. Hey, do a 30-yard sprint before the ball is snapped so we can find out whether or not it's manned. Why don't more people do this type of thing? That seems like an easy one. I don't know. Got to break the huddle on time. Got to make sure you got enough time on the play clock yeah got it got it great point so you

get out they obviously got out of the huddle then they get to their shift they alert alert taron johnson actually runs with him so once again telling the quarterback hey this looks like man taron johnson actually pressures so it becomes a five-man pressure with three under three deep on the back end so he's going to rotate down and cover down on Jamar Chase. He's going to rotate and be that deep safety. And the pressure is going to kind of get home, right? And if you pause it right, like about a couple frames, boom. So right here now, Burrow's getting pressure. He's stepping up, and he's also looking to this flat.

And as a seam flat player, right, we only got three guys underneath in coverage. One, two, three. And three deep. So you got to have stickier, you know, it's match, carry, deliver concepts. It's not zone dropping where, hey, I got a flat guy in my flat and I'm going there. It's match, carry, deliver.

So unless I deliver, especially Jamar fucking Chase, I would rather you throw the hay and hearse in the flat than me drop Chase and they end up dropping Chase. But I think he became, I think they both reacted to Joe Burrow breaking the pocket, looking at Hayden Hurst, and then he just turns the kind of backyard ball down there. Soak it up, Buffalo. Soak it up.

What's your problem? I just want them to remember this. Make them remember how the pain feels. So when they win it all, the sun doesn't feel as good without the rain. Boom. There it is. Exactly right. There we go. Especially when there's nobody around this guy. So now he looks at that

flat and you see the pressure getting home too. As a DB, you feel it too. You're kind of like, okay, it's probably his outlet. He's probably going to dump this down, but you can't let Jamar do that wide open. At least Porter will be back. Oh, wait, they fired the safeties coach, and they need to pay him. No communication between the two, right, as far as an end.

Remember we told you, didn't we used to tell you, hey, there's gray area by Jamar, and he's going, there's whatever, and he's going behind. Let's stay on him, right, and let him run through to the flat with the goat. Absolutely. So they go, check, check, alert, alert, get to that second play. He motions out. I think great communication pre-snap because you told a great lie pre-snap. It looks like man coverage.

Everything looked like man coverage until it snapped. And then when you rotate down. I mean, his eyes were never honestly on Jamar. Once again, communication, pre-snap, meetings. Hey, if he comesap, meetings. Hey, if he comes to the flat right now, we're swapping this out. We're passing this off. Not a communication I would make, but potentially the way he plays it, that's how he looks like he's anticipating that.

And then you've got to understand safeties, I think this is their maybe fourth safety that they were down to with Buffalo. So if that's Micah Hyde, this probably doesn't happen. If that's, you know, obviously you know what happened to Mark Hamlin. But if that's Hamlin, probably doesn't happen. Started 13, 14 games this year.

So this is a part of what happens as well when you deal with injuries and guys playing with – you know, if I'm playing with Vontae, that pick route, I don't need to look at it. It's one quick, you know what's happening. If I'm playing with somebody else, maybe some mixed – yeah, yeah. Hey, what we talked about. Great point, D-Butt, honestly. Hey, remember, we talked Tuesday.

Tuesday we went through this. We're doing that. It's real. Yeah. You do that on the field, for real. Wednesday walkthrough, here it is. That's what you do. Wednesday, Wednesday.

We did it two times. Remember, we did a redo. We got the, we got the, yeah, yeah. And then after the play, if it's just like an incomplete pass, you'll see those two guys just juiced, like punching each other. That's when he feels good. And then if one person doesn't get the message and somebody gets cooked, immediately afterwards you see the fucking talk.

Come on. And body language. That's exactly what we did. Look at the film. Wednesday walkthrough. This is it. No palms up. This is actually.

Body language fine. Ah, shit. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you, fellas. Ah, shit. Hey, thank you. Thank you, D-Bud. Appreciate you, fellas. That was incredible. I think what we need to do is a team contest giveaway, because I felt like the most team everything DB.

Chuck loved having you in here, making Darius even smarter. That was really good work. Hell yeah. So this is what we're going to do. AJ. Okay, this is what we're going to do. I shot by Sam, by the way. Hell yeah, Sam this morning.

I shot through a strike. Sam and I have been getting after her in the Hawk House every single morning, pretty much. Afterwards, she always says, like, I want to see what the shot feels like. So the first couple attempts, she wasn't able to get the ball there. She found her spot, and then now she's fucking overthrowing it normally. So when that one came out, I was like, here we go. Sam, big time splash football and hoop this morning. Already had 10 $500 winners of the day.

Nice. Now we need to add on 15 more. Oh, baby. Okay, a pregnant lady hits a ball, hits a shot right over here. That's means for celebration. That's an early bird celebration. There she is. Said, hi, watch me make this shit, she said.

Bang. Chuck special. Bang. She was excited. Said, hi. Watch me make this shit, she said. Bang. Truck special. Bang. She was excited. She was pumped. She, you know, she fell into the same pattern that some other people did. You and Bruce.

Right. They'll miss them, and then they're just trying to get shots off. Yeah. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Try to fucking make. Hold on. Today, she was fucking poised. Grabbed that ball.

Splash city. Congrats to Sam this morning. Congrats, Sam. So 10 winners already. We need 15 more. Here we go. Here's what we're going to do. It's going to be a Chuck and Darius Butler tag team situation.

Let's go. Chuck is going to have to throw a ball into a hole out there. After Chuck accomplishes that, D-Butt is going to have to do the same thing. out there. After Chuck accomplishes that, D-Butt is going to have to do the same thing. We have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 opportunities here.

Between the two of you, we need two balls to go into a hole out there. Should it be a time frame here? No, 11 ops. If you guys want to alternate, if you want to go a bunch in a row, if you would like to pass off, go back. We'll alternate. It's that's a terrible idea it's a terrible terrible idea

ladies and gentlemen all chuck and darius have to do is put two balls into either one hole two holes whatever the case is and 15 people will win 500 who retweet this video say something nice to somebody and put the cash check in there so we can pay you officially on cash app chuck pagano will go first wearing wee bands hoodie chuck to the garbage can oh for one don't follow us oh alternating bang oh that's one we need another one right hey no pressure chad hey you've been working on that yeah yeah you know just see it throw it believe it you know what i mean oh yeah look and throw come on look and throw now you have to Chuck. Look and throw. Now you have nine opportunities. Oh, money.

Hey! Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! We'll make it 20 people, $500, who retweet this video. Say something nice to somebody. Hell yeah. You're a guardian for the fans.

You're a guardian for the fans. You're a guardian for the fans, for the people. Coach Pagano. Wow. That was awesome. That was electrifying. That's the type of mindset and vibes that we need going into this championship weekend. We'll be back tomorrow with a Feel Good Friday. Big thank you

to all of the people that talked today. Not only Chuck and Darius and Greg Olson, but the boys and AJ and everybody in the back. Let's enjoy the hell out of tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. Making our official picks. Looking into the weekend. That is the championship weekend.

A little bit more than we have. Tomorrow's a big day. Tomorrow's Feel Good Friday. Thank you, boys. 20 people, $500. Big time shot. 10 people this morning, $500. 30 people, $500 on this Thursday.

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