The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 846 - Ian Rapoport, Everything DB With Darius Butler & Chuck Pagano LIVE From The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Darius Butler, Chuck Pagano, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat more about Tom Brady’s retirement and why we won’t ever see another player like him in the history of the NFL, the NFL Head Coaching hiring process, and what Sean Payton and DeMeco Ryans first steps will be as Head Coaches for their respective teams. Joining the progrum live from the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama is NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport, to discuss where Aaron Rodgers is going to wind up, if Jimmy G is going to be a starting Quarterback somewhere next year, what the Colts and Cardinals are going to do at Head Coach, and much more (1:13:18-1:41:54). Later, 9 year NFL veteran at Defensive Back, Darius Butler, and former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano break down the best defensive back plays of Championship Round in Everything DB before Chuck breaks down some of the questions typically asked in Head Coaching interviews (1:52:14-2:26:10). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the FanDuel Thunderdome on this Coach P in everything DB. Thursday, February 2nd, 2023. We start now. Pro Bowl! It is going into its Pro Bowl weekend and then the Super Bowl will be the weekend after this one. And we'll be live from Radio Row in Arizona from Monday through Friday with the guest list being packed to the gills. Cannot wait for that. Cannot wait to chat with the boys today. The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer, the Cowboys turn digs this year.

Everything DB hosts, a nine-year NFL vet, host of the Man to Man podcast and NFL matchup show on ESPN, ESPN Plus, and ESPN2. Darius J. Butler. Hell of a season out of you, D. Button. Also, hell of a season to this man who's traveled in every single week to give us a breakdown of what it would be like in team meeting for these Thursday night matchups that we had all week.

Ever since those Thursday night games ended, which Herbie and Al got paid. Oh, my God, so much. Extraordinary. I don't want to ever look at somebody's pocket, but what was allegedly being offered to Sean McVay for those Thursday night football games that ended four weeks ago, and didn't even have the first week. Hilarious.

Incredible work by them. That's right. That's Thanksgiving. But since Thursday night football stopped, this man has just been joining us for conversation. We're lucky for it, ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagone. There you go. Coach, how you doing, pal?

Doing great. That's that's good to be back you look fantastic nice haircut looks high and tight in there got cleaned up a little bit for you tan's gone are you always this tan because you're paisano or do you go in the sun a little bit it's the blood no just the blood you're from southern italy there huh i think so. But remember 23andMe? I think they said I was 3%, 4%, 5% was all. Jeez Louise. Wow. But who can believe that? I mean.

Everybody. Wow. So those two guys in the basement, right? They're laughing all the way to the back. I'm like, I mean, there's a chalk. I didn't know. You got more than I do. You're going to have to watch yourself when you talk about the gravy.

Maybe I should be telling you about what the gravy is. No, we're very thankful you're here, Paisano. And you've added to our show tremendously. I'm thankful to be back. Yesterday I was battling a little bit of a stomach bug. One threw me like 24, 30 hours or so. Had a fever, destroyed some toilets. Had a fever. Destroyed some toilets. I'm talking about destruction of some toilets.

Had a little bit of a fever. That thing broke at like 1 a.m. this morning. Woke up drenched in like a pool of my own sweat. This morning I woke up feeling fantastic. I appreciate all the kind words. And great job to all the boys for the show yesterday. You guys crushed it. Absolutely crushed it.

I watched from home. I fell asleep. I destroyed a toilet. I watched a little bit more. I fell asleep. It was a little bit of a cycle. It was weird not being here. Felt like a year.

It was only a day. I'm thankful to be back. A lot has happened since my disappearance just 48 hours ago. Tom Brady has officially retired again. I got a chance to hear you guys talk about it, but when you're talking about personifying greatness, it's like, who can be great the longest? That man over two decades was able to remain at the top of the NFL, seven Super Bowl wins, obviously. A guy that will never be matched or ever have an equal in the NFL.

Jeff Darlington said he was either going back to Tampa or he was going to retire. Now, there was obviously other reports that were saying anywhere but Tampa, and he was either going back to Tampa or he was going to retire. Now, there was obviously other reports that were saying anywhere but Tampa, and he's not going out like that. That's seemingly not true from a Miami Beach with a little bit of an emotional Tom. It wasn't easy for him to say. As I was listening to it, I was wondering, like, is Tom acting here emotional? And then it seemed like, no, no, that was genuine emotion, which means he truly does care.

Did he have to have such a bad game in the last game for it to really smack him in the face? Hey, this is it, potentially. But nonetheless, Tom, thank you for your service to the NFL, sir. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Love you, Tom. You know, I saw some Colts fans after I quote tweeted his retirement

and I said, thank you, Tom. Because that's all you can really say. A man that has dedicated his entire being to being an NFL football player. To just every day try and wake up and be better than you were yesterday for the good of your team, for the good of your legacy, for the good of the league. This is a man that we need to honor and say thank you to. There's always going to be clauses around people that are great at things that they're great at. Michael Jordan, there's always going to be conversations around Michael Jordan about what went on off the field. There's always going to be conversations about Tom Brady, about, you know, does his ball have as much inflated air inside of it as everybody else? Were they stealing signs from people?

Were they doing all this in all these convos only happened because of how goddamn good he is. Everybody assumes you can't be as great as this guy was unless you were cheating. I assume there was some little dancing around the rules that were taking place, but that is obviously demeaning the work ethic that this dude has had. Committing every part of his life to becoming a better football player. I got a chance to go through the TB12 treatment one time. One time. Because of how bad it fucking hurt. This dude traveled into Indianapolis once a chance to go through the TB12 treatment one time. One time. Because of how bad it fucking hurt. This dude traveled into Indianapolis once a week to work on Adam Vinatieri, who has been a part of the TB12 treatment plan since the days whenever he was back in New England.

This guy would travel town to town. You would pay him a fee, and he would work on you. It was basically the TB12 way before the TB12 thing existed. Adam Vinatieri paid for my first visit with this TB12 guy that came into town because Adam Vinatieri was looking out for me. He was a good vet and said, hey, this is what I think you should need to do if you want to prolong your career. I'm not a very flexible guy. Don't believe in a lot of the shit. I think a tighter gum band is a little bit quicker reaction than a loose gum band. And I've been able to bomb balls. Why am I going to change anything?

This dude worked on me for an hour and a half. I was so fucking sore. We're talking about digging elbows into the muscle that was above my shin. We're talking about like a metal rod in my hamstring and in my calf and in my quad and in my whatever this thing is. What is this? Your IT band. And then, oh, yeah, we got thing is, what is this? Your it band in this. And then, Oh yeah, we got another leg. We got to do this too. I'm like, I don't think so. So I go through this entire thing. It hurts like hell. I thank the man have a good one. They give

me some electrolyte drops to put in there so I can remain, uh, what's that called? Uh, they're pliable. The pliability of my muscles can remain with these particular drops, and you need to do this, and you need to do that. I wasn't cut out for it. That was way too much of a commitment. That hurt way too bad. But he did that for 20 fucking years. Every day of his life getting beat up and torqued on and eating avocado ice cream, which has to taste like shit,

and all the food that he kind of cut out of his life so that his body could remain at the highest possible level so he could continue to compete. We have to be thankful for that fucking guy. And our league was lucky to have Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. a part of it for so long. I can't wait to see what he does next. I don't think Greg Olson should lose a seat to anybody, let alone a guy that's getting paid $375 million, but incredibly proud to know that Tom Brady was in our league

and he wasn't in yours. Hell yeah. Love you, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Coach Pagano, obviously you didn't get a chance to react to this whole thing. This dude was a fucking nightmare for everybody. What were your thoughts on Tom Brady's retirement and him as a player? Yeah, he was a nightmare,

and I know there's a bunch of defensive coordinators out there that are still coaching that are extremely fired up that Tom's retired. But he's the best that ever done it. And it was a nightmare getting ready to play him. And he just always got them in the right there. And right when you think you had him, you know, he'd make a play on you. got him in the right there. And right when you think you had him, you know, he'd make a play on you.

And we would go into game planning, and we would literally walk in a team room. Like when I was in Baltimore and we're getting ready to go up to New England and play those guys, hey, guys, we've got to change all of our signals. This guy knows all of our signals. So this meant, hey, this is a box, right? We're in quarters. We're going to box. Video camera. This meant, hey, this is a box, right? We're in quarters.

We're going to box. Video camera. And so then, you know, three days later, nobody knows what the frick we're doing just because of that dude. Just because we thought he had everything down pat and anything we did, he was already going to have all the answers to the test. And so we waste all that time on coming up with new signals only to have those guys, Eddie, Ray Lewis. You know, we did it here in Indy, have the guys come in, D-Buck come in and coach, what are we doing? We just waste a bunch of time, we don't have any idea, nobody has, these young players that we're playing with, they have no

idea what we're going to be in, so we might, I don't care if he knows, if we know, okay, if we're all wrong, we're all right, that'd give us at least a chance but unbelievable i didn't win a lot against this dude i didn't have very many opportunities to celebrate it my last game that i coached against this against this dude i was in chicago and it was 2020 it was covid nobody in the stands we beat these guys on thursday night remember and it 20. We won 20 to 19, and there was that. Oh, yeah. He thought it was a down deal. You tricked him. Huh?

You got him. No, I don't think so. DAC. How good of a feeling. That's the type of guy he is, though. Like, listen to the – you coach for, what, 30? How many years you coach for? A lot.

He's like, beat Tom. Yeah. Like, that's the type of guy he was. That's the type of player he was. And, obviously, it's being echoed by everybody. He's the GOAT. He's the GOAT. He's the GOAT. that's the type of guy he was that's the player he was and obviously it's being echoed by everybody he's the goat he's the goat he's the goat he's the greatest of all time and then you got fans that are like no no no and then francesa on the mike and mike of course uh reunion reunion he said uh yeah there it is mike and mad dog mike and mike is greeny and golic right uh and i don't think Mad Dog's name is Mike, is it?

Chris. Chris, yeah. So it was nowhere near Mike and Mike. I knew you, man. The Mike of the Mike and the Mad Dog show, Francesa, was on first take yesterday, and he said he's not the best. He's not the best regular season quarterback. He's not the best playoff quarterback,

so I don't know how you can call him the best quarterback of all time. But I think every human that's ever played or coached in a league would say he's the greatest of all fucking time why is that darius why was he the greatest of all time other than just winning seven superbowls what was it about on the field that made him different than everybody else that's what it was about he every time he showed up he showed up he's gonna be prepared gonna have all the answers uh you know similar to the pey Manning, who I think SportsPoke called the greatest regular season quarterback of all time. But being in that New England locker room, even with how high the sense of urgency

always was when we played another great like a Peyton Manning, like everything just goes up. And like to Chuck's point, so much so sometimes when you end up fucking yourself because you know, very similar to Foxy when you're playing him in 33, you know when you pass the motherfucker ball out to the corner. He's going to hit. He's going to show up. And that's the same thing with Tom Brady.

I actually said it to Foxy yesterday. Third down, red zone, two minute. Like, he's always going to be prepared. And everybody that's on the field with him is going to be the same thing. Practice, meeting rooms, games, and that's greatness. It wasn't like a Trevor Lawrence or a Peyton or one of these guys who were like, yeah, that's the guy from the time at 13 years old. He's relatable to everybody.

You saw his body at the combine, he went 199, he got his chance and he just prepared, worked his ass off, was coachable. So as a teammate, that's important. When you walk into a locker room, you see Tom Brady in front of the room taking notes, you see him getting put on the low lights, getting called out by Belichick. That goes a long way throughout that locker room, similar to MJ and Phil or Tim Duncan and Popovich.

So it's a lot. You go on and on about Brady, but he was a dog. I wonder if it will come out that Belichick and Tom talked before all those meetings and Bill asked him every single time hey I'm gonna put this up there is that all right with you yeah obviously I assume it wasn't talked about but that would be a cool little niche thing oh yeah that it came out like actually they had the most amount of respect for each other every single time he was put on those low lights because that was talked about him being able to be yelled at is a trait that is good

for being a quarterback him taking less money is a trait that is good for being a quarterback him taking less money is a trait that is good for him being a teammate like everything about him just personifies being a great nfl quarterback the team loved him vinitaria used to tell stories about he and the boys go out and have a great time like being relatable that's not just being like a drafted at 199 and working your ass off it's also off the, hanging out with the boys and also utilizing what you can do that nobody else can do and having your boys benefit from it. There's trips that Tom Brady gets a lot of guys to go on that they would never be able to go on. That only builds up the team chemistry and camaraderie in the respect that a guy has. Everything about him is great leadership and football player.

I fucking love him. I'm a massive fan of his. And whenever I put the thank you, Tom, had some Colts fans going, fuck this guy. Happy he's out of the league. It's like, certainly can be happy he's out of the league because he's not going to play. But you can't not respect the guy.

Like, he is the GOAT for a reason. I didn't even like Francesa saying that yesterday. I hated it. I get it that you can say that. I get it that you can say that. I get it that you can say that. But come on, it's the day the guy actually retired. Now, a lot of people are saying he's being a little dramatic. There's people that think he's not actually retired.

I was watching Around the Horn yesterday. Sure. Tony Raleigh's show. Dominic Hiddens. Great guy. And Israel... Izzy Gutierrez. Gutierrez.

Gutierrez. He said he doesn't think he's actually retired. He said he thinks in July a team will be able to get him out of retirement or whatever. There's no way that is the case. No. No way. Now, have crazier things happened on planet Earth before? Yes.

Absolutely. Guadalajara. But Tom Brady, who has $375 million. What's that? UFO just spotted there. Sorry. Oh, yeah. I375 million. What's that? UFO just spotted there. Sorry. Oh, yeah. I heard it.

That was a big one. That was crazy. It was a big one. That was crazy. That was the most recent one. There was also this big. The black circle in the cloud. Sorry.

Yeah, in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mean to derail it. No, that was SpaceX, they said. Of course. Yeah, of course. It's all SpaceX. New Falcon launch.

Everything is. Crazy shit happened. So he could come back, is what we're saying. Of course. Yeah, of course. It's all space sets. New Falcon launch. Everything is. Uh-huh. It's crazy shit happening. So he could come back is what we're saying. The movie comes out this Friday too, by the way. 80 for Brady is going to be so fucking good. We're all going to go see it. It's going to be awesome. Yeah, we wrench it out of theater, right? Yeah, for... Oh, did he retire for the movie? Yeah, and

is that why he can now cry on command? Yeah, it was part of his acting chops. Perhaps, but... There's no way he comes back after this, especially with him planning on getting into the TV Is that why he can now cry on command because of his acting chops? Perhaps. There's no way he comes back, especially with him planning on getting into the TV industry. If he was going to disappear from the limelight and disappear from life or from the public eye, I think then you don't have to worry about what the public image is of you, two-time pump faking in retirement. But that's not a good brand that Tom Brady wants to be a part of,

somebody that can't commit to something. He spent his entire career the complete opposite of that, completely committed. The discipline that he has had to display throughout his entire career is crazy. So his commitment to something could be judged if he was the backpedal on this, and more people would hate him. I don't think that's what he wants to do. I think there's no chance he comes back after this one. and i appreciate the fact that he just did it with a selfie video yes as opposed to some concocted shadow lion yeah is that the group the

shadow lion video or anything like that i appreciate the way it was how it went and i'm happy as hell for him yeah now that's over it is kind of crazy looking back on it and seeing those years stacked up and what he was able to do. The stats about his 20s, 30s, and 40s with how many yards and passing touchdowns he has and just the amount of seasons he's played just in the playoffs. I think it's like three seasons or something. Three total, yeah, 48 games. Yeah, and I think his record was like 35 and 38 or something in the playoffs.

He only lost 13 elimination games, obviously, because he had seven Super Bowls, and they missed a couple years because he tore his ACL and everything. But now that it's over as a Patriots fan, I can go back to liking him. I think it really does make you appreciate how good he was because now we don't get to see that anymore. There really isn't a guy like Tom, and hopefully in 10 years when mahomes and alan are at that stage and they're in borough obviously and they can kind of break that down sure absolutely there is still aaron but who knows there you know well no here's the thing there's no way aaron retires now is my view on it no way

there's a lot of people that um that like are i guess there's some people that think he is retiring aaron i didn't know that i didn't know that there's some people that genuinely believe it i guess aaron is still kind of torn on it hit a good shot at pebble beach responding in the hole-in-one contest yep not as good as manola no yeah not as good as not many as good as manola i just i just learned a manola here on the hole-in-one challenge at Pebble Beach with Jim Nancy on the call. I fucking love this guy. I just learned him.

That's it? Yeah. No. Mexico. Oh. Just a vowel on the end. Similar features. Well, and beautiful skin.

You should have heard him speaking, though, here. He stepped onto this tee box at this hole-in-one challenge, took this thing over. Yep. I speaking, though, here. He stepped onto this tee box at this hole in one shot, took this thing over. I mean, nobody else did. It seemed like everybody else was nervous. Manolo told a story about his grandfather, about the sport of golf itself, and then he hits a beautiful draw. He says he's going to hit. That's it.

That's it. While he's going in there, this guy, I've been missing out on him. I don't know how. I'm going to get better at golf because i know this guy's existence but aaron was talking about pebble beach and being able to do it this year as opposed to years past and he's talking about you know maybe competition in that and he is definitely toyed with the fact of retirement i think in years past and certainly doing it right now but with tom brady retiring there's no way he's retiring yeah not not a chance not a chance i Not a chance. I mean, you could say, like, obviously, you know,

a lot of these guys don't care, but in no way, shape, or form do those guys, either one of them, probably from more of a mutual respect, like, you don't want to go into the Hall of Fame together. Like, they each want to be the headliner of their own class. That makes sense. I think they've both earned that. But also to Connor's point, like, even with Mahomes, and we saw Dano put Mahomes at number two in his, you know,

top five quarterback. See, Montana was not in top five. Right, because he never got to saw him play. You know, he was playing before Dano was born, or he was four years old. How old was he when Marino was thrown? That's a good question. That's a great question. Probably pretty similar.

But either way, like, that's why you need to appreciate Brady, because, like, we will never see that guy again. Like, you know no Mahomes career would have to go pitch perfect for the next 15 to 20 years for him to even sniff seven and he's once he's won one Super Bowl like Brady is the consummate winner like we will never see another guy like that and it is kind of crazy it's hard to do it while you're in it but like you know now thinking back to when I was like 12 years old and you see michael jordan retire and it's like at the time it's kind of like oh you know this is crazy everyone talks about this this guy's unbelievable but then you look at it when you're removed and

like you know then lebron is the next closest thing but it's like there really isn't that heir apparent in the nfl right now like in terms of skill maybe there are a few guys but like we won't ever see someone dominate and win the way brady has it's gonna be unfair to compare against winning because what the patriots were able to do i don't think it'll ever be seen again how come they were able to do that you know how come they were able to do that and do you agree with our sentiment that that'll never be able to happen again because how much luck health wise oh yeah the amount of health luck that has to go in there, let alone with Tom Brady, how about his left tackle, right tackle?

How about fucking anybody maybe getting sick on a big day? Like the amount of luck that has to involve for a two-decade dominant run is absurd. I don't think we'll ever see it again. But that's a part of the whole thing. And I think it would be rude to compare whoever next to you. No, you can't. It will never happen again. Ten Super Bowls and seven victories.

And what are the two constants that were there the entire time right in that run? Built on. Okay. That's it. So coaching matters. So you look – and nothing against all the new guys, but the cycles, they're firing guys after a year, you know, and then bringing a new guy in. So I just think between Bill Belichick's genius

and his ability as a football coach, his constant there, Tom Brady's constant, because they brought in a bunch of dudes, in and out, in and out, in and out. Yeah, it's different chapters. Hey, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, I mean, because they bring anybody else's like trash, Bill and them would bring them in, and then you've got Tom Brady in the locker room. I mean, you can't put a price tag, to your point, on that. And everybody's level of expectation and ability, everything just goes. He walks into Tampa, what happens?

Exponential. Everybody just gets Equipment room. Training room. Cafeteria. It's like, you better button up your shit. I don't want to be the reason I don't win a Super Bowl. You got to coach the guy. You got to be around the guy. You're not going to be that guy. You are not going to be that guy to let that guy down.

And not everybody can do that. Because you got to do it every single day first in last out day after day year after year and to think for 23 years he poured all that into that that's why most guys don't want to lead because they don't want to put that time and they don't want to have to be the first guy in and the last guy to leave and put all that extra time in the off season and staying out after practice. You're the first guy out there before doing your deal and having your own crew to cook for you, to take care of your body. I mean, you don't play that long. You don't have that much success.

He has sacrificed so much. Oh, yeah. I mean, so much. He's got to be mentally exhausted, right? Oh, yeah. At some point he's got to be mentally fucking exhausted. I can't even imagine when the season's finally over. You think about 20 games, right? At some point, he's got to be mentally fucking exhausted. I can't even imagine when the season's finally over. You think about

20 games, right? 20 games to win and for so long doing that, because he never really had offseason. He'd have a week or two. Because the older you get, the quicker you've got to get back to it. Bro, August, he's going to... Yeah, exactly. What's he going to do?

Oh my God, I've got to throw a ball to somebody. What do I got to do? Oh, my God. I've got to throw a ball to somebody. What do I got to do? AG, will you come? What do we? Well, you don't have to. What do we? Where's my family?

Oh, they left. Oh, shit. Where am I? He getting his wife back, you think? Going back with Giselle? Nope. She's still on vacation. Yeah, no way.

You said she's looking forward to see how Tom continues his life in his next chapter. What if he becomes next Leo? I could see it. We talked about that immediately upon it. That's real. What's that? Like you spend every waking minute. I know as a coach, and I got guys that call me and say, hey, how is it? What do you think?

Do you miss it? What do you feel your day's up with? Because every minute of your life, other than that little vacation time you get and by the time that three four weeks is almost up you know tina's like training camp starts soon the girl's like when are you leaving don't you have to be back to work so that was fine but your life is is you don't have one and now all of a sudden you got all this time in your hands 375 obviously the Fox has been talked about the last couple days. That is huge. I think he'll be good in there.

I think he'll be good. I think so too. I think if he can be the human that Vrabel talks about and all his old teammates talk about and the people that know him. And even he sounded like on the Let's Go podcast when he said, if I knew what the fuck I was doing, I would have done it, Jim. The manning cast? He's a human here. Yeah, if I knew what the fuck I was doing, I would have done it, Jim. The Manning cast? He's a human here.

Yeah, like, let's hear the human that is Tom Brady. I think he'll do great. Yeah, I feel like everybody saw more of that human side. His, you know, the competitive, and you saw MJ in the last dance kind of behind the veil because you see it on the field, on the court, but a lot of people don't see the meeting rooms or the practice field, like how intense that shit is.

And, you know, going back a little bit about that 20-year stretch, like not only having a head coach and a quarterback, but the GM too. You know, Bill was basically the GM as well. So having those three things there in place. And then those, the different people, the different pillars outside of Brady, like those two different dynasties, I would say, like the early people, the different pillars outside of Brady. Like, so it was two different dynasties, I would say. Like, the early ones, he was kind of the younger guy with the Brewskis and Seymour and Ty Law and Malloy and all those, Vrabel, all those guys.

And then you kind of got that second group, like Edelman, Chung, Slater, and all those guys. Kevin Falk, can't leave him out, Vince Wilford. So just so many different names outside of Brady, but everybody's on the same page. That's great. I love them. Well, and that's what's crazy, too,

is because we think of those two dynasties, the 2000s and then the late 2018, 15, 14. Those best teams with Randy Moss, they never won it all. The best Patriots team was 2007, and they were almost perfect, but they didn't win it all. And then after that. Shout out to Steve Weatherford and the Giants. Shout out.

Yeah, I love the Giants. Good for Tom Coughlin. But that's what's nuts about it is that you can, some of those years are forgotten about with Tom. It's like he threw 50 touchdowns and seven interceptions in a season, and people forget about it because Peyton ended up going to Denver. No, no, he's a game manager. Remember, he's the best game manager of all time. Well, hopefully you can find one of your own.

And I think that is what everybody is seeking. Seems like there's like four or five teams that have a chance. Bengals might be one of the teams. Joey Burrow might be the guy. Yeah, for sure. Patrick Mahomes might be the guy. Hey, what about Donner and Jacksonville? Trevor Lawrence might be the guy.

But I think in the modern world that we live in, there's going to be so many things tugging on people to retire. We're mentioning $375 million right now to Tom Brady. Think about how many different platforms are going to be involved with the NFL 10 to 15 years from now where this generation of greats is going to be. There's going to be a lot of things that are going to say, hey, you don't need to commit your entire life to this. You can still make a great living and be involved in football. I think those types of things being out there

affect longevity of people playing. I think that's a big deal that we should account for. 23 years is a long time. Would Tom do 23 years if it started now and had the same success? Or whenever he was kind of dead year 15 or year 16, they were going to write him off, and he gets that $300, $400 million offer then, does it still cut 18 years in? That's a long time. 20 years in, that's a long time. But he still wouldn't have had that last Super Bowl if he retires at 20 years.

Has to get the one in Tampa or whatever. There are so many things that come into play, so many different variables that I think will hold back the next generation or the generation after that to ever become Tom Brady. So I think it will be unfair to compare whoever is next. Yeah. But fucking Tom. I'm happy the New England people are back on his side. Obviously, I assume he'll sign a one-day contract.

They'll do the full Julian Edelman thing where he's sitting up there, and you guys will all celebrate shit out of old Johnny Foxborough, right? Yeah, they'll retire 12, probably, you know, hopefully build a statue for him. But also the other thing that you're mentioning with, like, this era now too, when Brady was playing, it was Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Flacco for a little. Now there are six, seven quarterbacks in the AFC in that same age range that it feels like before every season we could talk about them making a run and winning a Super Bowl.

Go ahead. Not in the NFC. You think Tom didn't mention Gronk and McCourty either in that second batch. He mentioned McCourty. He didn't mention Gronk. Good luck. Let's make that kick, Gronk. Third quarter, Gronk.

Here we go, Gronk. You think Tom's a part of the Super Bowl, Bronco? Oh, probably, right? They already said yesterday they have no plans of using him for the Super Bowl. Oh, K-Fan, bro. That's K-Fan. We're getting worked. Probably.

Man, you think? Not a good move. Wheel him out there on the biggest day. Wheel him out there? What are you talking about? No, have Greg Olsen do it. Yeah. You could easily have him be a part of the kickoff.

Well, that's what I figured. Wheeling out. That whole crew's getting wheeled out there every single week, aren't they? Yeah. They do it every week. The Fox is literally doing this shit. But it's not their first time, at least. That's literally what they're doing with most of their people out there.

Hey, you still got it? Yeah, say the same shit you've been saying. That's literally what they do for that kickoff show. I'd assume that they roll fucking Tom Brady. Why wouldn't you? NFL Network's got, what, a 10-hour kickoff show? Yeah, I mean, all day. It'll probably be, what, 5 a.m. right up until kickoff.

I think it is like a 10-hour. I don't know what Fox is going to be, but I assume it's about the same. It's like they have to have Tom Brady doing something somewhere. Somebody's got to have a checkbook big enough to get Tom Brady off that Miami beach to the Super Bowl doing something. I'd assume that'd be a part of the Fox coverage. I would hope so, at least. Yeah, no, I don't think money would be the issue.

I just assume Tom would not want his first ever time being on TV as, like, an analyst, be the most watched broadcast that they'll have. Oh, yeah, Tom Brady, yeah. That's what Tom Brady does, which brings me to another point. Tom's been at the top of the mountain for fucking 20 years. He's the Yankees. Every time Tom Brady shows up, he's getting everybody's best shot, has to show up, and when he doesn't show up, it is national headlines.

That is not an easy thing to, like, kind of deal with either. You know, there's some people who are underdog stories that are able to come in, and they have a moment where they top the king and then they kind of bounce off into obscurity again. And they get to live off of that for the rest of their lives. Whenever you're the king, as soon as you fall once, you get asked about that one fall forever. So this person who was never really ever at the top, who knocked off the king, lives off that forever. Every conversation is about that. When you're at the top though, off the king lives off that forever every conversation is about that when you're at the top though your conversation is about that one time that you lost to this guy

that is a whole different set of pressure that tom has had for 23 years in the most watched league in the world the mental toughness the just everything about him is awesome and we've done this for 30 minutes we don't need to do it anymore. And you guys did it yesterday. Fucking thank you, Tom. Congrats, Tom. We'll never see another Tom. And we won't be able to see another Tom.

So congratulations, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Other big news, obviously, Sean Payton is now the head coach of the Denver Broncos. This should be an incredible thing for the Denver Broncos. We thought Sean Payton might go to Arizona because Arizona definitely needs somebody like Sean Payton. Get the offense back together, a little bit of accountability, and somebody with a resume that maybe more people could buy in. Dee Hop has already asked for a trade. Would that change if

Sean Payton was the coach? We think so. We think there's a chance that he'd be able to buy in to what Sean was pitching. Who will the Cardinals hire? We shall see. But the Texans get D'Amico Ryans. Congrats to D'Amico. Broncos get Sean Payton. And you guys had a source-off yesterday. Yeah, big time. I fucking hate that I missed a source-off.

I was watching at home so mad about a source-off taking place. We'll have one of those sources in the source-off. Ian Rappaport joining us live from Mobile, Alabama at 1.20 Eastern Standard Time. He'll be talking about his report that the Broncos wanted D'Amico Ryans. And then when D'Amico Ryans decided to go to the Texans, then they initiated calls back with Sean Payton. And that just so happened to be on the same day that D'Amico Ryans signed to the Texans or whatever. Then Adam Schefter was like, excuse me. Timing of today's two hires was completely coincidental. Broncos were zeroed in on Sean Payton and didn't make any contact this week with D'Amico Ryan or his agent.

Denver was focused on Payton and Houston on Ryan. So we have a little bit of a sore spot. And the reason why this is a big deal is because the narrative that's getting sent to Sean Payton and the Broncos fans is that this was our second choice, even all the way up to the day of the signing. Sean Payton's already won a Super Bowl, has been a head coach before, but that's a bad look going into a new relationship. And Schefter said that that wasn't the case. Ian said it was the case. We'll talk to him at 120 to see what it is. Chuck Pagano, how do you feel about these two hires? I feel like Russell Wilson now, league sources

have told us that Russell Wilson was the one around league conversations being blamed for the Broncos sucking on offense last year. Historically bad year for Russell Wilson and that offense. Defense was a bunch of gals.

So seemingly has a pretty good roster. Hopefully Sean Payton will be able to turn it around. And D'Amico Ryan's with the Texans. You can talk about either one of them first. What are your thoughts on the two hirings? Former head coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano. Love them.

And if I'm Sean Payton, the first order of business is I'm getting in there. Everill, Ezra Everill, he did a great job with that defense. You just mentioned they got a bunch of dogs, right? So if I'm Sean, because Vic Fangio is always tied to Sean, right? Wherever Sean was going to go. He just went to Miami, by the way. Vic Fangio has signed to Miami, allegedly will happen after the Super Bowl. Congratulations, Vic.

He was originally there, then he wasn't. Was he using it as leverage for more money, or was he actually going back to San Francisco? Allegedly, Kyle Shanahan didn't want to change the defense from 3-4 to 4-3, 4-3 to 3-4, so he is going to Miami. Congratulations to Vic and to Miami for getting the fucking guy down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get your suntan lotion.

He'll have plenty enough money to, you know, he won't have trouble buying it. Well, I think the real estate down there is pretty expensive, especially with the amount of cranes that have been down in Miami. Vic's a great coach, and McDaniel won't have to worry about one thing on that side of the football. Which is great for McDaniel. Yeah, because being the head coach and the play caller, we all know how big a deal that is.

But fired up for Sean, he'll do a great job there. He'll get Russell to be Russell again. We're sure of that. Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. I. Absolutely. I thought it was so. I thought there was a chance he took ayahuasca or something.

He forgot how to play football. You know, because we were watching. Like it last year. Exactly. You were breaking down some film and you were like, this is clearly not where. You were talking about him almost looking like a second-year or third-year quarterback. Like a first-year quarterback. With the decisions he was making.

This whole thing never got off the ground. I mean, it was like from Jump Street, this was a dumpster fire, right? And whose fault? We're not going to blame anybody, but it just never got going. Well, Hal, we could. I mean, it just never got going. So who knows? But we all have faith in Sean.

He's done it. He's been there 15 years in New Orleans, Super Bowl win, what he did with Breeze. I mean, Breeze was a good player, but he got the best out of him. He'll find a way to get the best out of Russell Wilson. And like I said, talk to Everill, that DC there, and convince him that, hey, look, you're our guy. We want you to stay. You did an unbelievable job. Because Minnesota, there's people coming after him right now. There's rumor that he's supposed to go. You know, because he had a relationship with O'Connell, right, the head coach in Minnesota from the Rams.

So he'd love to probably have his services. Did he get a head coaching interview with Denver? Who's that? I think so. Yeah, in-house they gave him one, yes. He declined the interim, right? Yes. But did he get a head coaching interview

took the interim he did but that would be my first order of business is trying to solidify that there's continuity there you don't have another turnover you don't have the the whole scheme deal like shanahan saying up in san fran love vic would love to have him but we've got a four three in place because i you know we have four three here when here when I got here, right? Oh, yeah, Dwight. Okay, and I was a 3-4 guy in Baltimore. You think that was an easy conversation talking to Robert and Dwight? No, no. Robert adjusted to it a little bit better than Dwight.

And by a little bit, I mean a lot a bit better. Right, and Mathis is like the ultimate, ultimate, ultimate team guy, teammate, player, human being. And for him to do that, you know, and takeis is like the ultimate, ultimate, ultimate team guy, teammate, player, human being. And for him to do that, you know, and take a leap of faith, because when I sat him down, I wasn't going to lie to him. Here's the job requirement for the Sam linebacker. Now, he's been on the left side, right, just track stance, ass in here, coming off the ball, and just murdering quarterbacks

ever since he'd been in Indy, right? And now you're going to stand up, we're going to, hey, curl flat, hook curl, three receiver, you know, seam flat. And he's like, Griggs called me and we're at the combine. I said, Robert said he just called. He doesn't want to sign. He doesn't want to come back. What'd you say to him?

I said, I just told him the truth. So here's what the defense is. Had him come back in, watched hours of film with robert just so that transition is real i mean it is real you're set up a certain way so i totally understand that but i will say this uh on the flip side dwight freeney incredible teammate as well there's been numerous evenings where dwight freeney has sent his limo to pick me up from places where i was well this is before uber existed freeney was a great teammate at that stage of his career, though. He was making $17 million a year.

You know why he was making $17 million a year? Because he could fucking get to the quarterback. That is all he was brought in for. The way Bill Polian constructed the team, we're going to spend money on offense at skill positions, and it's quarterback, Peyton Manning and the boys. We're going to go up, and then we're going to let Robert Mathis and Freeney hunt, and they're going to have to pass because they're going to have to catch up to us,

and they're just going to be able to create sacks and create and cause hell. It was a very successful recipe. So whenever you come in and it's 3-4 all of a sudden, Freeney was only playing on third downs, I think. Only playing on third downs, right? Well, he was going to be the rush. So the rush in a 3-4 is the guy that is rushing a quarterback more times than not. So Robert assumed the role of Sam, you know,

to make life probably easier on Dwight. And they were both unbelievable, like you said. Great talent. I mean, the spin move, I mean, he's forever going to be that guy. I did sports science. Sports science. They did. Oh, yeah.

John Brinkus. Yeah, they did. So that's not easy. He's spinning as fast as a figure skater. Yeah. I'm like, God, could we have picked anything else for a defensive end? Like, come on, man. Could we pick anything else?

So obviously, Freeney, I heard you're spinning like a figure skater. He goes, yeah, yeah, pretty quick. Thanks. Pretty quick. Thanks. I'm like, Freeney, this guy couldn't have picked anything else that could have spun fast. But he was that dynamic that he warranted a fucking sports science.

But I do recall coming in with his brand new defense in the locker room chatter was hysterical. I mean, just like, what the fuck do these guys want from us? It's a full on... In Chicago, they were 3-4 and he had Mack and Quinn. Robert

Quinn, Khalil Mack. And so we never wanted guys that can go get the quarterback for a living and get the quarterback on the ground. That's all you build your defense around is guys that can rush the passer and cover these unbelievable wide receivers. So we never wanted those guys. So what'd you do? You send five most of the time. You know, we run Swill. Swill Fire Zone. What's it called? SWIL. What's it called? SWIL. What are you going to do? SWIL is Sam and Will. Two outside linebackers, three defensive linemen,

five guys hunting the quarterback. Good versus the run, really good versus the pass. You usually get five one-on-ones up front if they don't leave anybody extra in to protect and you let your hunters hunt. And that's how you get around having to adjust everybody. You say, hey, let your fighters fight, and your fuckers fuck. And those guys are the guys that go.

Bam. And you let those fuckers fuck all night long. You swill your way right through all of that thing. How about the Meeko Ryans down in Houston? You like the hire? JJ's pumped. I saw Big Kush put a post out there. I don't know how active Cushing's is on social media.

I got a chance to meet him down at the Senior Bowl. What a fucking icon Brian Cushing is. Just a New Jersey fucking meathead through and through. I think he's their strength coach down there. I don't know if he still is. He was at one point. He's pumped for D'Amico. Everybody calling D'Amico cap. Welcome back cap. Welcome back

cap. He's done a great job with the Niners. This is two defense coordinators from the San Francisco 49ers getting head coaching gigs in the last couple of years your thoughts on D'Amico going back to Houston and what does this mean for the AFC South you think Chuck uh great homecoming I guess his wife is from there obviously played there beloved in that city he'll do a great job he's got to go out his biggest deal is going to go out and and hire an offensive coordinator somebody to take care of that side of the ball. They've got, what do they pick, number two?

They've got number two, right? They've got a second and I think a 12, right? And Chicago allegedly trading out. Two first round picks. They've got a good young team. A good young nucleus. That defense hunted there. I mean, they played extremely hard. I mean, they didn't have a bunch of wins.

They got worse. Yeah, they were really bad. They played extremely hard. They didn't have a bunch of wins. They got worse. They got worse. He's got his hands there. Our only advice would be to stay true to who you are. How many guys have you had on your show tell you that? Sirianni.

What was Sirianni say when he became... What was the advice somebody gave him? Menor. Let the menor say. Yeah, the menor goes in and says. No, no, no. Wait a second. No, the deal was stay true to who you are. Don't change.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. As the head coach, be you. And so that's what – because Sala, I mean, that was – remember we talked about that. When we watched him as the defensive coordinator he was awesome yeah

I mean psycho he set that thing up D'Amico just took it over and carried carried on with the thing and did even better you know

won in you know every category that matters on defense the last two years I mean did a phenomenal job but just remain who you are

you don't have to become anybody else oh you're talking about Sala going to New York and seemingly getting all of his joy sucked out of his life. Lost 15 pounds. Yeah, and on the sideline, we didn't see him one time. Nope.

He was this. We saw this ball. Yeah, didn't talk all year. Fucking dress. Now, as soon as you've got all that responsibility, that can do that to you. Believe me. What's that? You wear a lot of hats, you know, when you assume that job.

Now, you get paid really, really good. You'll be a head football coach in the National Football League. But there's a lot of hats when you assume that job. Now, you get paid really, really good to be a head football coach in the National Football League. But there's a lot of responsibility that comes with it, and it can affect you in a lot of different ways. The expectations are crazy. Just go out and delegate. Hire an unbelievable staff, D'Amico. Get somebody.

You can handle the defense. You want to keep your hands on that? You want to call that? Go ahead. But get things in place to make you successful. And then hire a bunch of guys that are going to be loyal to you that they sit in there and they come to work every single day like this crew does hell yeah for you hell yeah they walk in there i sit in there i will listen to them hey our job here is to make sure that you're successful that this show is the very best show on the planet.

Hell, yeah, boys. Our only job when we go in and D'Amico Ryans hires us as assistants, our only job is to make sure the head coach is successful, and we win. And that is it. Because when you win, there will be enough cheese to go around. It might not be here, but there will be cheese. Absolutely. Speaking of cheese, I think Sean Payton, I'm happy you noticed that.

Great group here. That's why it's impossible to hire that's why we're probably never hired to our detriment but also it's the reason why the fucking drink is stirred yeah so it's an interesting thing and we appreciate everybody i get messages i don't know 10 of them a day people want to work here i appreciate that honor it is awesome tough to build culture easy to fuck up culture yeah don't don't want to do that at all i've seen it happen firsthand and we'll never want to be a part of that let's talk about cheese i appreciate all the boys here and i appreciate you acknowledging that coach that's a big deal especially coming from you who we all admire uh 17 to 20 million is what sean payton's making this year that's what they say i don't know what the meet will be 10, 10 to 12 or something like that? Is that what we're assuming?

First-year guy, he got six years. So you know they made a commitment to him. So that the thing that happened the last two years, back-to-back, doesn't happen. So they've made a commitment. I don't know what that number will be. Yeah, Rule was seven years, 74 million or something. So you'd assume he'd probably get the same, if not more. Yeah, and he's looking for $5 million or $5 million a year for that.

I think just $5 million. Yeah. All together? Yeah. I mean, if we know Tepper, if that was $5 bucks, he ain't fucking. Good luck, Ruler. Yeah, exactly. You're going to have to bark up the wrong tree.

Yeah, you're going to have to bring your best lawyer. You want to fucking get this, pal. I think Tepper can afford some guys, right? He could take care of his guy. Yeah, that is not his thingpper can afford some guys, right? He could. Take care of him. But he does. That is not his thing. He'll spend $100 million so he doesn't have to pay him. No, that's what I mean.

He can afford good lawyers, right? He's got a team. This dude is like, you better back off. Well, he is. It seems like he is a ruthless fucking dog. Oh, yeah. That's also something whenever you do business down there, you got to know like, hey, you're doing business with this guy too

who is a dog. Deion Sanders talked about that. He said, you should have already Googled me. You should have known. I'm already back up out the door. And I'm like, yeah, that's the same thing. Like, whenever we're talking about people, I assume that's taking place with Tepper.

And the six-year thing, D'Amico's agent knew. Like, hey, you guys just fired Lovey and Coach Dave after one year. And they got much worse. These teams got much worse each time. There was zero continuity. Going to have to at least promise us that we'll be here for six years, even though in the head coaching business that doesn't mean a fucking thing. No, they had to.

Based on the last two years and what happened to Dave and Lovey. You know Dave? I don't. Only thing I know him from. Just from afar. Literally chewed his tongue. Like hubba bubba. What do you mean?

He chewed on his tongue. Like it was awesome. Like gum? Yeah. Yeah. Like it was a piece of gum. Like actually on the thigh. I never saw that.

Oh, yeah. That was the only thing I saw. Did it bleed? No. No. It had been there before. No. Week 12, week 13.

One of the toughest tongues of all time. Yeah. I don't know. They weren't bad. I mean. No, this thing was tough. Week 12, week 13. One of the toughest tongues of all time. Yeah, I don't know. They weren't bad. No, they were pretty decent. Was it like a tick, you think? I think it was just what he did to pass time. Like Jordan. I think he was just like, didn't even know.

It was just like happening. Holmes was choosing his tongue a lot. You know what else Pat does? Pat does this thing to get the play. Oh, as soon as the ball's done, they blow the whistle. Give it a play. I want to get that out of my head.

Give me that. What if you're like Bien-Ami or Reid? Do you think they're ever like, I'm fucking getting it. Jesus Christ, we know, Pat. Yeah, we were trying. We're all here. I think they have a great relationship. I think that is something everybody's trying to have. I listened to the New Heights clip about Travis and Jason obviously playing in the Kelsey Bowl, and they were obviously deferring all.

There's a lot of other people in this. There's a lot of other things, and that's what two guys from Cleveland Heights, Ohio, would say and the Kelsey brothers would say. say and the Kelsey brothers would say, but them talking about the other teams putting the jersey on the Rocky statue and Jason Kelsey saying it has to be an inside job at this point, I'm a big fan of that happening if that is what's taking place. Some Eagles fan is just going over there being like, all right, City needs a little bit more motivation. Oh, you guys, City seem as jacked up for this game as others?

No. Not really. Yeah, you're right. Let me fucking head on over there. Look at this. Travis Kelsey jersey right on top of Rocky. I love that they're even acknowledging that and talking about that. The thing that I don't love that's being acknowledged,

the NFL being rigged. Man. Yeah, well. Harry and Foster's been trending for four days. Yeah. Yes. I mean, that was. Some of the best internet we've had in a long time.

Long time. Great internet. Really is. I mean, and Chuck, you're the one that handed me the script. Yeah, right. When I kicked that onside kick to myself against the Houston Texans. Cool. When you handed that script to me before the season, and I knew that was coming,

first I had to work on that kick obviously and I guess the cat's out of the bag now but then for you to do that in the first quarter and just you know because they talk about people going off script sometimes yeah and that that obviously was not that but just the fact that it worked out so perfectly you know and then the fact that you're able to read a play so wonderfully and jump a pick and get a pick six and obviously the ability for everybody to be a better thespian than everybody that's in Hollywood for quarterbacks to even look guys off, get comfortable and then boom, be able to naturally throw a pick six as opposed to like forcing it.

And that's why some guys careers don't last as long as others because they can't sell these plays as well as other people that can sell these plays from the script. Darius, whenever you hear something like that and then you see the responses and then you see people basically feel legitimized from that clip, how do you feel? How do you feel about the state of the world that we're in and the state of the league as we speak?

It was just funny. It was entertainment, and that was the best. That's what you get from the Internet. That was the best of Twitter because the people that saw the video, number one, you knew. I feel like you should have known it was sarcasm. I don't know. I'm still torn.

But then the caption above it, it was half the people in the comment section replying strictly to the comment oh i knew it i knew it i knew it and now obviously this conversation is on the heels of the afc championship game and the referees and i and everybody's talked about you had gene on here which i thought was great you know i was one of my favorite segments we need gene we need gene every week yes for sure him breaking down those plays and live time and how they see it and how they call it um so that's where the advocate that's where the conversation stemmed from but uh it was it was just hilarious obviously it's too many

fucking moving parts john what do you think about the script for the pittsburgh steelers the last few years a little bit disappointing uh to be honest but i guess they had a good script for a lot of years so i guess you gotta you pay your tides or whatever were you like amen can you run it up the ladder like when you read the script for that steelers game where you potentially thought that you were gonna you know get a touchdown against paul muller but then you read the script and troy was gonna troy was gonna know what was coming you were gonna call it off like can you run that to chuck and then chuck takes up where to goodell is that where you so i think what happens is either main writer i go writer? I go to Chuck, I go, I guess I'll sell that I'm scared of Paul Amalu,

but please know that if this was not scripted, I'm trying to run his fucking ass over for that particular thing. And I don't know why the script writers looking back on it, Chuck, you might have a better answer. I don't know why they wouldn't want me to score in the same stadium that I won the punt pass and kick in

as a 15-year-old in my hometown with a bunch of McAfees in the stands. Is that why they gave it back to you on Thanksgiving? They let me complete a pass. Well, they knew the story from you about that play would be something that would outlast the touchdown itself.

They tried to get you in the writer's room. They gave me in the fucking paint, though. They knew I had a magic trick waiting in my Oh. Trying to get you in the writer's room. They get me in the fucking paint, though. You know what I mean? They knew I had a magic trick waiting in my hand thing. I thought you were in the writer's room when you and Trinden Holliday, I thought you guys came together, went up and said, hey, this would be a great moment.

I just think it's an incredible disrespect to a lot of players' efforts and football IQ to continue this thing. And coaching. How about Donnie Brown, like, fumble, put it on the ground, and Andrew has to pick it up and triple jump in. Some of the best writing he's ever done. Fake punt. I saw that one, and I tried to get that one thrown out on Wednesday.

I saw that one. What's fake punt? Colt. That was not a fake punt. Just to be clear, punter wasn't involved. Were you on the field? So you got, okay, yeah. Hold on, no. I was

on the kickoff team as well. Was that a kickoff? Just so happened to be on fourth down. Your hands were all over that one. Punter was not allowed to be a part of play, and I think that was a mistake. Honestly, playmakers on the field give the guy to that ball. give the ball to that guy. I get worried about society

when I watch that. When I watch the replies to that. Shout out to PFT and Aaron Foster. Fucking love everything about it. Love everything about it. PFT's brain obviously massive. As is Aaron Foster after listening to that and getting a chance to

watch him work big fan of all of them but really worried about society after watching that tweet on genuine shoot that's a shoot too that's that's a shoot that honestly is like it was my biggest takeaway too is like this is actually scary like how how dumb human beings are like legit and not to like mix the two but it's like kind of when like you look at like the political world that we're in and everything it's like oh okay this is how we get here because people are so fucking stupid they'll see something and just boom you know like believe it instantly has to be true don't think for themselves at all like don't even like critically think like well this is actually like this would be kind of crazy if like this is actually how like there's none of

that it's just yep this is unequivocally true. There's no two ways about it. It is. You see that. You see how many people. And again, Twitter is a small sample size. Still a focus group. Exactly.

But you look at that, and it really is like, Jesus Christ, this is scary. There are some dumb fucking people out here that are allowed to make decisions, to get in a car and drive every day. Just shit like that it's like their vote counts the same as everybody else exactly which i don't want to go into the whole voting conversation but it's real certainly worth it it is it was a fascinating study into society reading those whole things people were attacking me because obviously i was working holding the water for the nfl you fucking know and then that video comes you got anything to say

about this to me? That's how I learned of it was like 10 people told me that I was an idiot. And I was, uh, everything like that. And I watch it and I laughed rather hard when I was doing it. And then I think PFT put underneath, like the QTs to this are hilarious.

So I look at the quote tweets and it's like, Oh no. Yeah. Oh no oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. And I get texts from like Herbstreit. He's like, hey, people actually believing that. I'm like, oh, yeah.

I think I'm scrolling through right now. I do believe there are some people that think this is. No, Herbie. I got to call you back, Herbie. We've got a societal issue right now, I think. And then we just kind of move on, but it's a real thing. And we started talking about it immediately after the game on Sunday because NFL rigged was trending immediately following both championship games.

And I don't know what other sports shows are covering or talking about, but we live on the Internet, so we had to chat about it. And I think a lot of people that are into mainstream people who happen to watch our program, which we appreciate, they watch our shit, a lot of questions like, why are you even giving that time? Why are you even giving that time? It's like, this is a real thing that's happening.

People think this. I think this is a real thing that's happening, and you should pay attention to. And then obviously fucking macro dosing comes in and just dominates the whole thing amazing incredible it is a question mark about our entire society and then same deal you have like some bigger outlets who didn't watch the video and then just run with that it's like aaron foster said the nfl who did sports i saw si fucking quote to you i didn't read the article so maybe it was tongue-in-cheek,

and he was kind of doing the same thing we are. But even to get to that point where it's like... That one new account that Rab said definitely don't listen to those people also did the same thing. We should take that and do it. Which one? There's like 10 of them. Jordan Schultz?

Oh! You just asking, Tony? I was in group text last night with Schultz? Oh! You just asking, Tony? I was in group text last night with Schultz. ML football. Who was he saying? He brought me into a group text yesterday. With who? Pretty big. I mean, unless it's not. It was an introduction to somebody.

It was not to Howard. No, it was not to Howard. It was pretty large. Might not be the person, though. I mean, honestly, might not be the person. It was an introduction to somebody that's definitely good for the program. Itro? No, not Itro. Was it green or blue text?

Blue. Okay, so it probably is real. Steve Jobs. I don't know. Burner phone, you'd assume green. Steve is dead, but he did create the thing that has the blue text message. Bezos? He's been tweeting.

It was not Bezos or Elon. It was no other billionaires. It was a general manager. Oh, okay. Ooh, a GM. It was a GM. Pretty big deal. Okay.

Probably be on the show in the next week or so. John Schneider. A real one. No. Huh? A real GM. We don't know. We don't know.

We have no idea if it's a real number or not. I guess I should follow up. I don't even know how I would. FaceTime? I got to FaceTime. I mean, if Schultz came on here with a wig and a mustache acting like a GM, he could. That would be. Oh, yeah.

All the power to him. All right. Let's get to a break. That would be amazing. That would be good. Hour 2 would be on the other side with A.J. Hawk and Ian Rapport. Could you imagine he comes on? He should do that.

Must happen. Oh, it's me, guys. Just joking. Daddy! I was on my other phone. Oh, yeah, he has two phones. That we know of. He definitely has two phones.

Yeah, he showed us that one time. Somebody should, I guess I should send a, hey, is this really? Get out of that group chat. Individual text, hey hey are you actually private and but can you send me a picture of a spoon the day newspaper it's like a man titan situation exactly a catfish situation yeah yeah need this as of this morning shelter runs into a starbucks hey you can have free starbucks for the rest of your life i just need you to hold this stuff so

i can take a photo yeah but it's the photo if it's a photo, then I would know. True. Oh, you're talking about to the person that it's fake is? This is also the third time we tried getting this guy on, too. Really? Do you know who this is? Yeah. Yeah, but those other two times came from somebody that is not Schultz.

Okay, so I know who this is as well now. I forgot. This seems to be a much... Yes, you do. Yeah, different than the previous one, which was clearly... Okay. I don't think so. Pretty big.

If this is said person, pretty fucking big deal. Yeah, huge. Did you know that Zeke, Shams, and Schultz have a group call every Sunday night before the week? That would not surprise me. Not at all. That would not surprise me at all. Like a group FaceTime? Yeah.

Over some talking points? Yeah. Do you guys Zoom it or FaceTime it? What is it? What's going on in the week? You know, we've got to figure it out. I saw Shams was on Up and Atoms this morning. Mm-hmm.

Shout out to Shams. Schultz, has he recovered since that Jets thing? He has not. I honestly have not heard from Schultz. That was the first I had heard of him. Yeah. It's all right, Schultz. Get back in that batter's box.

He flies under any tweet. It's just, it's hellfire in there. Yeah, it isz. Get back in that batter's box. If he replies on any tweet, it's just hellfire in there. Yeah, it is. It's hellfire. Can he still to this day? No, if he's commenting on Instagram or anything like that, you just boom right under it. Shut up, Schultz. Shut up, Schultz.

A lot of that. He needs to turn off his replies on Twitter. That's a classic move that people do. Then the quote tweets get a little loud. There's no coming back from that one You do that and then that's Basically waving the white flag I don't think he knew what he was saying though

Like in Schultz's defense Like Odell I don't think he knew Not how you're taking that Ty I think he didn't That's hilarious I don't think he knew Like like, how serious the allegations were. Sure.

That he was saying. Sure. Yeah. I think he was just rattling off things that he had heard behind the scenes. He got excited. And then, yes, he did. He got excited. He was putting on a show.

Right. He's Schultz-y. He's doing his thing. Yeah. He didn't even know, like, what, like, how serious. There's going to be massive blowback on this he had no idea yeah like a quarterback being late to meetings is a fucking mass that's like basically a death shot in new york shot through the quarterback yeah

in the nfl in new york i don't know if he knew that though whenever he was just like boom boom boom yeah hurry standoffish yeah i heard he's moved guys don't like him like the meetings like i think he was just like kind of doing his schultzy thing yeah it's like when we were and i was like whoa whoa whoa whoa schultzy that's late to meetings it's a big deal delegation yeah yeah yeah yeah i got 15 people with them we have never experienced something like that no we've been like we've been doing a show five years obviously six years, obviously, six years. Today, I retired six years ago. Pretty sweet.

Hell of a run, boys. That's why the insurance ran up. Yeah, middle of my wife being pregnant. That's tough. That's interesting. I remember calling you. Are you sure? You and Will bought.

I was ready to go. Yeah, you were. But he spelled out. I asked him. You and Will Bond I was ready to go Yeah You were Yeah I was But he spelled out I asked him I said You can kick 20 more years Pat Make

Nope This is what I'm gonna do And Six years later You did it Hey well I appreciate that coach Unbelievable A lot of spike can do those types of things

Oh yeah You had spike I didn't I never sensed that. Yeah, I mean, I'm not even getting into it. This is a celebration. Celebration. Happy days.

When you start seeing money get pulled out of your check, though, for things that are just complete bullshit, and it's like $20,000, $30,000, $70,000, it's it's like yo i'm getting fucking federally robbed around here just for what for what selling more jerseys than everybody else around here making it to the pro bowl what the fuck did i do look at the madden score these got the highest fucking score on the team you're taking 50 grand out of my fucking check yeah i'm done with this shit yeah happy to work though god damn shout out gregson shout out to gregson i hope he's doing well heard he's got a job again that's good news congrats to him coming around yeah here we are six years later but yeah once

i started seeing money get pulled out of my fucking this is a lot of money there's a lot of fucking money coming fine was that for fines yeah oh yeah you know your fucking name was the letter oh i know yeah yeah hey they come to me i oh fuck are you kidding me that was oh no who was this sign chuck begonin oh this motherfucker interesting hey excuse me is your fucking fine, Pat? I would run down the locker. Remember, nobody's here yet. Really early.

Slip in your locker. Run back to my office and just wait. I appreciate you, Chuck. We had great conversations about all that. Yes, we did. Trip to Japan. Mm-hmm. I was going to retire then.

Remember, I was going to retire then. I was going to retire then I was going to retire then And I was like alright I'm going to talk to this fucking guy That I don't know that well Chuck Pagano And I'm going to see how this goes And one of the things that I was like Hey I don't want that guy talking to me anymore You know

I don't want that guy talking to me anymore Got it I got it I got it So then we did long time it was like 11-12 weeks Nothing happened and then that thanksgiving day after that thanksgiving game happened my profile photo right now on instagram that was it i'm like fuck this i'm out of here i'm thankful it worked there was a couple times where i thought we were not and people don't know this and i've never talked about it i was down to like good 20 000 bucks bucks, 30,000 bucks

whenever I was investing in the office and paying bills and paying people and paying travel and doing this and doing that so I can make it work, you know, make everything work. And I was staring at that bank account just like kind of depleting. And I'm like, can still kick, dude, right? Can still kick, can still kick. And then I go kick in my backyard. I'm like, all right, it still got it and i see that number go away i'm like is this ever gonna is this ever gonna start going the opposite direction and i'd say we got pretty close to shutting it all down and going back to kicking and then boom we make a change we go and then everything kind of goes the opposite direction so i'm very thankful for everybody that kind of rocked with us this entire ride if you're new to the party we can't thank you enough. If you've been here since jump,

thank you for the support and the love. Obviously couldn't be here without you, but goddamn what a run this last six years have been. And joining us from Manatee, Ohio, a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, and a stallion of a host yesterday, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, and a stallion of a host yesterday, A.J. Hawk. What's up, A.J.? How you doing, pal? Great haircut. Great haircut.

I got a little trim pre-Super Bowl. How are you feeling today, man? You feel like you still have any remnants left over? I feel pretty good. I feel good. I feel good. Now, I didn't eat for like 30 hours, so I lost some weight. I almost had a six-pack I think I told the boys that uh so this morning when I woke up feeling great I was like kind of I don't want to say like exhausted but like and I'm like oh I haven't eaten in like probably sore where did you puke a lot no it was uh it was mostly the basement where everything was coming through. You know what I mean? So I had a little fever coming out of the basement, and I slept a good amount.

But then this morning, the fever broke. I was dripping. Hey, 2 a.m., I woke up. I thought I was actually in a pool. Like it was. You got drenched? It was disgusting. I'd never felt that before.

I'd heard other people talk about when your fever breaks and everything like that. I'd never experienced that before. It was nasty. So then I go, I think I had to go pee too at the time. So I had enough to sweat and to pee. I was trying to stay as hydrated as possible. You texted me and were like, Hey, get an IV or whatever. It's like, I don't like needles, but I am going to be force feeding myself liquids, you know? And I get back to the bed and it's like, now what am I just, what am I doing now? Yeah, can't. So I had to take the fucking things off the pillows, things off the pillows. Had to put another blanket down because the bottom of it was nasty.

Good for you. It was a full. I would have just fucking laid in my filth. That's awesome. No, how? It was. Put Good for you. It was a full. I would have just fucking laid in my filth. That's awesome. No, how? It was. Put a towel down. It was disgusting.

Middle of the night. I mean, I'm just waiting until morning. It was disgusting. There's no way. As a man who's never had wet socks before, I don't know if you fully understand what this would have felt like. It was. So was that that like last night before i went to bed felt

real good felt like much much much better then when that happens and this morning i wake up i'm like oh i'm fucking back you know what i mean i'm all the way back but then i was like kind of body was a little slow like haven't eaten anything had a nice breakfast this morning chuck brought these donuts in i so if i'm doing keto and i fast for 30 hours though i can eat a donut probably there right you need to reset you need a treat you gotta treat your body your body needs that sugar needs everything you gotta be careful though you don't spike that sugar too high too quickly yeah because then you get the uh what was that you get the shakes what do they look like though what do What do you mean? That was good.

We should make a... Sugar shakes. We should make a... I don't think I've ever had... Do you have fat? I don't think I've ever got... You probably don't eat that much sugar, though. Well, I do, but I mean, you can feel kind of sick if you eat a bunch of dessert or something,

but I don't get shakes. Boiled chicken doesn't have that much sugar. AJ hasn't had dessert since his 12th birthday. What's dessert? Oh, I don't know. We're getting a roasted chicken. Okay, cool. Instead of a grilled chicken. Putting ranch dessert? Oh, I don't know. We're getting a roasted chicken today. Instead of a grilled chicken. Putting ranch on it.

You guys have no idea. We do. We've been with you for long enough periods of time on enough occasions where we know you. Prove us wrong next week. Yeah, we know you. I've been looking. I hope there's a Cheesecake Factory that delivers to the house out in Arizona. Many hot dogs. Hey, have you seen those houses we're staying at out there?

I saw Zeke sent me the one. Yeah, it looks pretty amazing. We've got a golf course in the backyard. Really? Bring the club. Actually, we'll just hope the clubs are there. Well, and definitely going to need to use it. Yeah, I might be doing something at the golf thing.

Here we go. Up, down, and now we're talking. Waste management? Yeah, not playing. Oh, yeah. Not playing. At the waste management or at the Pro Bowl? At the Waste Management.

Oh, what are you going to do? I don't know. It just got brought up in a conversation yesterday with the person over. I guess there's a hole-in-one thingy that happens over there. There we go. Shot to glory is what it's called. The hole everyone knows from the Coors Light's getting thrown on it. Boom.

16th hole. 16th hole. hole yes that is what it is they just reached out and asked if uh i wanted to participate in some moment because with the timing of our show and the timing of the thing i there's no way that i could play in it not that they asked me to or if they even know that we have this show and that i couldn't play in it but they did reach out if I wanted to be a part of the glory hole. And I'll tell you what. We know. We know you do. Hell, yeah, I do.

Find that gold, pal. What's going on? It's called the glory hole? No, it's called shot of glory. It is. It's actually known as the glory hole. Yeah, 16th hole of the glory hole, shot of glory, glory hole. Yeah, we already did research.

125, I'm taking a pitching wedge i'm going out there and i'm probably putting it right in the fucking hole as if i'm pro golfer on pga when do you do you win like a million dollars or something hundred thousand i think it's hundred thousand to charity or whatever yeah make that thing hell yeah why not i assume you're gonna be able to do same you want in it uh i don't know what day you doing that Wednesday I think I'll go around there with you I've never been to the course I hear it's awesome Just say you want to I'll drain that thing

Okay I think we just kind of got you in there I don't know anybody that's doing Any of this and this is obviously a massive Event and people much more important To the world than us are going to be there And doing their thing But I believe the person that zito's been in contact with over there has wanted to up our relationship with the pga

here we go smart now colt talking about nosty no i did like nosty asking those hard-hitting questions to your guy aaron rogers he seemingly said this morning he was not going to san francisco is that an accurate read from your standpoint? New haircut A.J. Hawk? I am unaware of the interview that Aaron did with Colton Nost but I never thought San Francisco was really even in the picture was it? Well I think a lot of people in San Francisco were potentially thinking about a veteran quarterback making their way there. Tom Brady was the one that everybody thought might end up in San Francisco because of his affinity for the team as a child. Obviously we have that photo of him as a young buck

with the 49ers jacket on and his face being held in his mom's arms, and they love the Niners. That's what got him into football. Obviously, Montana and everything like that. They're going to need a quarterback for at least the first couple months of the season if they're not going to go with Brock Purdy, who obviously has a torn UCL, not nerve damage like it was reported at halftime by Terry Bradshaw. He has to get Tommy John six to nine months recovery, let alone on the back end of that whole thing, what it's going to be like.

Trey Lance obviously going to get his opportunity to be a guy again, or were they going to go with a veteran quarterback? Everybody was hoping maybe Tom Brady, now hoping maybe Aaron Rodgers Colt knows this morning on the hole-in-one challenge I believe asked Aaron before he teed off if he's going to San Francisco or if you like to have a star on the side of his helmet for Dallas Cowboys he said I'm not going to San Fran then he hit the ball does that mean he's going to Dallas oh maybe we know I don't know what is what do you think of isn't Jerry saying they're about to extend would they be willing to extend Dak Prescott

Steven Jones said they would like to extend Dak Prescott I believe Jerry said they were looking at a potential quarterback drafting a quarterback yeah Jerry Jones

said the Cowboys are committed to drafting a quarterback he said he should have committed to drafting one every year years ago

now remember Jerry Jones has been running the Cowboys draft 55 years. Yep, that's right. So him saying now I'm drafting a quarterback every single year and I should have done this years ago is awesome, fantastic. He's like, over the years, this is what I have learned. It is an interesting whole turn and series of events, though, because what Stephen's saying I think is a make good for what Jerry said to Dak and Dak's people.

But Dak has zero guaranteed money on the books after 2023. So Stephen Jones coming out and saying that they are looking to extend Dak, and Dak is the quarterback of the future, is big news for not only the Cowboys, but for Dak's people in a leveraged standoff. Yeah, and for Jerry, too. He just lost to Brock Purdy. And the Niners traded up to get Trey Lance. That was their guy.

What do they do the next year? They draft another dude, and he turns out to be the guy who's leading them to the NFC Championship. Say Aaron's not in the NFC next year. Where's Dak as far as quarterbacks in the NFC go? People have forgotten how fucking good he is. Oh, yeah. Just because the Niners defense did what the Niners defense did to him. Now, what the Philadelphia Eagles were able to accomplish

against that Niners defense was certainly an ass-beating. And did they maybe tap out because they couldn't attempt a forward pass on the offensive side of the ball, which is certainly a detriment to your team being able to win. But Dak Prescott, I think he had the most touchdowns over a series of the year this year after like week 12 towards the end of it. He's had success. He's done well.

But everybody remembers what you've done for me lately, and they're the Cowboys. Do you think the Dak criticism is fair or unfair, Darius J. Butler? It's definitely fair. It comes with the position. That's what you sign up for, especially on America's team. And, you know, played, what, 12 games, led the league in interceptions, had that streak where he was, you know, turned the ball over.

Seven straight. Yeah, we talk about all the time, you know, the ball is a program, regardless of what else you do. So, yeah, the criticism is definitely fair for Dak. As far as A-Rod, though, I feel like we know where where he's going now I've been saying the Packers for the last few weeks but after that uh Devontae Adams tweet us oh he's not going to Las Vegas that is a place where people thought Tom Brady was also going to go so I guess that does open the door for maybe Aaron to Vegas. And Devontae said, he's going to my neighborhood. Hell yeah.

And then Devontae also put on his IG story some highlights of him and Aaron, slicing and dicing and back shoulders and everything like that. Devontae reminiscing on the glory days, joining us now. Maybe a man that has answers. And if he does have answers, he won't tell us, which is a damn shame. He's a senior insider for the NFL, both the league itself and the network that it owns and the streaming service nfl plus ladies and gentlemen host of the weekly wrap-up with rap sheet and friends us being the friends he'd be in rap sheet ian rapaport love guys bad weather in mobile or

you just hung over and getting the chills? I feel great. I had a good exercise this morning. Weather is not great, but we got some drills going on over here. Hold on. Let me see if I can flip this. Nope, missed it. Hold on.

Bad one. I don't know how to flip the camera. Hold on. There you go. Well, lower right corner is where it is. Drills going on, but I'm feeling good. Couldn't see anything there with how quick it was. But we do appreciate you at least giving us a peek at the action. And we appreciate you taking time out of your life to join us.

We're going to talk about what we were just chatting about right there. Tom Brady retiring off the board for the Niners. If that was a real possibility, we don't know. Off the board for the Raiders, if that was a real possibility, we don't know. Does this mean Aaron Rodgers going to the Raiders, especially after what Devontae Adams said? Or is Aaron Rodgers going to the Indianapolis Colts like everybody else thinks on earth? This is welcome to the Colts, right? So first of all, the Devontae Adams tweet, I know that players like to stir it up.

I know that players like to stir it up. I know that players like to have some fun. I know that Devonta Adams knows that his buddy Derek Carr is not going to be back almost under almost any circumstances with the Las Vegas Raiders. So, you know, if Aaron Rodgers is going to be traded, would the Raiders be a possibility? You know, I would say somewhat. I mean, one thing we know about Dave Ziegler, the GM, is he will swing big. He did it for Devontae last year. They could do it.

They could do it cap space-wise. They could do it money-wise. They could do it pick-wise. So I would say at least it would be something that would probably be considered. But here's the thing with Rodgers, right? He's easily the best player available, regardless of position. So every team will have to consider him. So it's like you could ask about almost any team and be like, well, could they get Aaron Rodgers?

Yeah, I think that would make some sense. That's kind of where we're at for the next month, I think. If Rodgers wants to be traded, which, you know. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. That ain't the way. Hey, say this right, Rap. Hey, say this right, Rap. If the Green Bay Packers want to move on to the Jordan Love era and they would like to do that,

then Aaron would have to be open to the trade. Is that what you meant by that? It could go either way because I think what it is, if there's a mutual understanding of, all right, we want Rodgers to be back. Like, I would say this. If Rodgers wants to be back in Green Bay, I think there's a very good chance that he's back in Green Bay. That is my guess, educated guess on the whole situation. If he says, guys, one more run, let's do it, I'm back, hard to imagine.

I think that's kind of breaking news, right? I think that's kind of breaking news because what's been reported by the person that you had a source off with just yesterday or two days ago, he was reporting. What's that? I don't remember that, but okay. We'll get to it. We'll remind you here. Don't worry. It's the next topic of conversation after AJ gets his question in.

But, like, he was basically reporting that a trade is imminent. Yeah. basically reporting that a trade is imminent yeah and we we assumed that that was coming from the other side of the conversation which would be the Packers because we have convos with the other half of that conversation Aaron and the way Aaron laid it out was do I want to still play I have to take my process to figure that out and do they look to move on if they are looking to move on to the next era with Jordan and his young crew there's no malice and everything like that so I think both sides were taking the time to figure out what they wanted to do. Then when they come together, they're going to be able to do what they have to do for both parties.

What you're saying is kind of if Aaron wants to stay, they're going to be able to – that's big news. I think that is kind of breaking news coming out there, Ian. I don't see it like that. I see it kind of like a return-to-play situation for the player, right? It's like when we're trying to figure out, is the player going to come back from injury? It's like there's the player, there's the team, and there's the medical.

And everyone has to be on the same page to get a player back on the field. So to me, this is sort of like this. There's so many moving parts. Does he want to be back? I think if he does want to play and if he wants to be back with the Packers, it's hard to imagine them saying, actually, no, we don't want you. I don't believe that's breaking news, although I'd love to claim it if it happens. But I think that would be the way it would go.

Now, if they do want to deal him, it sounds, based on what he said on your show two days ago, whenever that was, that if they want to move on, it sounds like he'd be okay with that. And my guess is he would probably find a place that would like to welcome one of the best players we've seen in the last couple decades to play on their team. Right here in Indy. Go ahead, AJ. I don't know about that, but, Ian, what do you think?

Like, what kind of timeline are we looking at? When can we expect anything to happen with this whole situation? You're in six. Two. whole situation? You're in six. Hold on. I lost the first part of your question, but I assume you said, what is the timeline? Uh-oh.

I'm moving. Players are coming at me. Didn't they say team period? They're going to be on the sideline, I think, Bob. I think you're okay. I don't think they're going to be doing anything over there. As somebody who has had to stand around to practice before. Anyway. A lot of them.

Anyway, to answer your question, let me just sit on some of these pads since nobody's using these things. Those might get used. Whatever. Go on, pal. Yeah, all right. Yeah, whatever. Go on, pal. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I love it.

So, you know, these things are happening faster and faster. Right. Like, remember, the Matthew Stafford golf trade happened like as everyone was coming back from the senior ball, which would basically be in two days. But it was like a couple years ago. The Derek Carr trade, if there's going to be a trade, which I still think is possible, would happen around the time of Super Bowl week. So you're talking within the next two weeks or so. Once one thing happens, things generally accelerate. So if Aaron Rodgers is going to be traded, which again, I believe is possible, then it would probably happen in that window of a couple, a week or two before free agency. It's just once you start talking, if everyone's on the same page, if he wants to come back, it all will happen pretty quickly.

Because if you want to get him, you want to get him now. Right. Yeah, there's a hooded male over your shoulder. It's hard not to see that on the show. What's up, bud? Welcome to the program. Good to hard not to see that on the show. What's up, bud? Welcome to the program. Good to have you. Thanks for being on here. Are those the locals there?

Autograph hounds? Who do you think that is normally during practice on a Thursday at the Senior Bowl? You know, I haven't been signing a lot of autographs, so I assume they're not. All right. All right. Let's move on. Rap, our side of the conversation is saying the same timeline, a couple weeks. So we're right here in the middle of it. We're about to learn a lot.

We'll just kind of sit and wait for that to take place. Let's talk about some timelines that happened in a source. Yeah! Okay, so you reported that the Broncos were chatting with D'Amico Ryans as close as of the day that he signed with the Texans trying to get him out of the Texans and to the Denver Broncos were chatting with D'Amico Ryans as close as of the day that he signed with the Texans trying to get him out of the Texans and to the Denver Broncos. And then Shefty came in and said that is not the case. Had not talked to D'Amico this week.

They zoned in on Sean Payton. The Texans zoned in on D'Amico. The reason why this is a big deal is just strictly optically to the Broncos fan base and to everybody in the building about what and how this all took place and whether or not it's good business or bad business. What are your thoughts on the whole source-off that you just had there? And do you wish we would stop bringing it up? I don't mind people talking about it.

Just like I don't mind anyone reporting something contradictory to what I said. I mean, I know it's fun to call it a source-off or whatever, but for me, I reported what I had based on the best information I can get, based on talking to many, many people throughout the course of the last month. And then whatever happens as a result of this, I don't really mind. I don't even, I mean, I know people sort of seem like it's me versus Schefter. I don't even think that. It's just I report what I know, he reports what he knows, and then everyone can sort of judge for themselves,

whichever way to go. My understanding of the situation is the Broncos started this process with three top candidates, and that was Dan Quinn, Jim Harbaugh, and Sean Payton. They wanted to swing big. Quinn said, I'm going back to the Dallas Cowboys. They loved D'Amico Rhymes. He was their guy. And then they went to Michigan to go try to talk to Jim Harbaugh. They didn't make an offer, but I think it's very clear that, you know, that was serious enough where they literally went to his town, maybe even his house, wherever they went, tried to get that done. Did not happen. You know, obviously D'Amico Rhymes at that point made it clear that if he was going to pick someone, it would probably be the Texans. They focused on Sean Payton.

Went back to D'Amico to see if his deal was getting done in Houston. It was getting done, and they finalized it with Sean Payton. I don't know about the optics, but that is a long, winding search to end up with a coach who I think a lot of people thought would be a top candidate. But they had their eyes somewhere else for several different moments. Well, D'Amico is obviously hot to trot because of what he's been able to do. You broke that he was going back to Houston pretty much like a week before it came out. So I think you should feel good about it.

But I do like a good source off. And I appreciate the fact that you don't view it as you versus Schefter. But you two are at the top of the game. So that's a compliment more so than anything. And obviously we appreciate your time here. And it's a damn shame nobody's asking you for your autograph with all of your incredible hard work. Sean Payton getting $17 million to $20 million there saying.

What's D'Amico getting? Do you know? You know, coaching salaries are weird because they're not public. I think it's, this is not reporting, but this is my guess based on the accumulation of information. Pundit hat, pundit hat. I believe you're accurate on that number. It's going to be very high for Sean Payton. Shout out to me.

It's going to be very high. D'Amico would be less because he's a first-year coach and does not have a Super Bowl and didn't have the sort of, I don't know. I hate to call it circus because it wasn't that, but didn't have the drama involved in Sean Payton. You know, there's no salary cap. So if the Broncos wanted to pay him $30 million, they could do it. No, I heard there was an agreement with the other owners. He wouldn't do that.

I don't know if that's the case. But if I were in a agreement, then I would give him whatever I want because you can't stop me. And there's no salary caps. Leave me alone. But I'm not an owner. Well, Haslam did that last year. Yeah.

There was an agreement. Then he said, no, fuck you guys. We've been bad for way too long. $230 million guaranteed. Every dollar of it. Don't care if he's good or not good luck to everybody else uh keeping up let's talk about a coaching search that's taking place right here in indianapolis heard there's a third round of interviews is

that real or are they just delaying till after the super bowl to really dive in with somebody they might like i think that's real now i'm not you know there's an ability that blends in today and then stikens in either tomorrow or saturday and they go all right we're good but i don't know if you know this pat but when jim ursay talks a lot of times it's a really long time he talks for a long time oh yeah um these interviews have been marathons um you walk into that very cold office you're there for multiple multiple hours and then uh you got multiple hours. And then you got to come back. And then you got to come back again.

And I don't know if it's the best search or the most thorough search or the worst search, but they're going to end up with a coach and then we'll see. And I don't know if any of this matters, but maybe he just wants to torture all of us to force us to talk about it through like the draft or something. Till the draft. Hope not. Christ. That'd be awesome.

Makes sense. I would be real sour. I would be awesome. Makes sense. I would be real sour. Is this pundit hat or a fucking is anybody coming out? Yeah. Watch your six there, pal. Got balls flying around. Could you imagine you get boasted?

That would be awesome. Get a cleat tossed right into the side of the arm or something. The boasted thing was crazy. I'm actually surprised we don't see that more. Get a cleat tossed right into the side of the arm or something. Back of the neck. The Bosa thing was crazy. I'm actually surprised we don't see that more. I can't believe that's the first time we've seen that. That's what I'm saying.

Like, A.J., the only time he ever got hurt was on a punt play. And then standing on the sidelines, they wouldn't even let Vaughn Miller stand there because how dangerous it is. Punters are able to handle both the most dangerous play and the sideline at all times. It's something we need to add to our resume. It scares me, though, that the Colts have not found who they like. Because if you haven't found who you like, are you ever going to find who you like? And if nobody's jumping off the board, why are we having them in there for three fucking times?

You know what I mean? What else do we need? Twelve hours I heard one of these interviews? I don't know if it's 12, but it's extremely long. Like eight hours, 10 hours? What is extremely long? Something like that. Jesus.

Eight hours. Now, I'm kind of with you in that, like, if you have to take that, like, shouldn't you know? But maybe they do know, and they just want to make sure. And, like, what do these guys do? Come in again? Like, they have to come in. So, I don't know. It is unprecedented as far as I can tell.

Twelve hours is so long. Yeah. And you know who the owner wants, and maybe that's why it's taking a little while. What are you talking about? Are you talking about Saturday? Yeah. Jim wants Saturday, and Ballard is doing everything in his power to hire someone else. Or there's maybe a Super Bowl coach that hasn't been able to make his way

for a 12-hour interview in Indianapolis that maybe is at the top of the list and they are not just sure yet, so they're trying everybody else. What's that? No, no, no. I would say that's possible. And I kind of wonder, like the Cardinals have someone in today, they have Brian Callahan from the Bengals. And if they don't hire someone over the next, like, 24 hours,

you'll be like, maybe they're waiting for, you know, maybe they're waiting for Shane Steichen, maybe Jonathan Gannon. That would make sense. They say special teams there? Yeah, this is my time to shine. Yep. What is this, punt? This is where I do my analysis.

Hold on. What are we doing here? Field goal? Someone's kicking. I think someone's kicking something. I don't know. Is that a field goal or a punt rap I don't know what's going on to be honest

here turn the thing around that guy's got sweet khakis I can't fucking see shit. Yeah, I can't. This is your life all the time, huh? This level? I mean, look, there's some advantages. I've read all, like, if I had to sit and coach, I still got plenty of leg room,

whereas a lot of people are really fighting for leg room. On the other hand, you do not have a great vantage point to see some things. How was the senior ball this year? Is it good? I mean, it seems good. It seems good players. There's not as many coaches and GMs as there usually are.

See, it's dying. You told you this. You didn't even know. We are breaking the news to you. This is done. Senior ball is done. Any head coaches? There's head coach. It's just not that many because the coverage is so good That you don't need to be here And when I think some

Oh we got punting Pat we got punting Yeah who are they do you know who the punters are Oh yeah yeah They got um one name is uh Is uh I can't read it Uh hold on Yeah I don't know

Um and then there's another Come on I can't read it. Hold on. Yeah, I don't know. And then there's another. Come on. They didn't hand you a roster? And then they go to commercial? I mean, what the fuck? We're watching the live feed of it right here on the backboard. That's how we learned it was a punt period.

That's what the senior bowl is for the kickers and the punters, though. Just absolutely, you know, I mean, hopefully they change all the rap. Oh, yeah, it's that. it's that – I know this guy. Hey, we told you, though, the Senior Bowl, they did something. We don't know what it is, right? Different vibe this year than years past. It's just – I mean, it is a little different, but I don't think it's going anywhere because it's too helpful.

Yeah, the Shrine Bowl will become what this is. Darius has a question for you. Go ahead. Yeah, you spoke briefly about the Derek Carr situation. I saw a report yesterday saying the Raiders weren't allowing him to seek a trade, which sounded weird to me. Is that normal with the teams? I mean, there's a couple different ways to do it.

He has a no-trade clause. So what you could do is just go, like, Derek, you go find the team. So I think that would be one thing they could potentially do. They're not going about it that way. It sounds like they are trying to find a trade partner, and then we'll present him with whatever options there are. Now, they are going to be extremely thorough. I would imagine they'll talk to every team,

and they'll know is there a market or is there not, and then present it to him. And I don't know this for like absolute sure, but my guess is before he agrees to anything, he's going to want to talk to one person, multiple people to figure out if that's the right fit. So like this is not the normal trade. Like, all right, agreed to terms. Like, let's go. It's like, all right, we agreed to terms.

What does Derek want? I think that is part of it. And that's why it's, you right we agreed to terms what does derrick want i think that is part of it but that's why it's you know probably a little more complicated and that's why these quarterback trades are hard to do tone and with with tom retiring now there's another place with a quarterback opening up um like is jimmy g in line to be a starter next year do you think in any of these teams that are looking for a quarterback i do think he's inclined to be a starter um you know it sort of depends on what you want um but when depending on if derrick carr is a free agent or not if derrick carr is not a free agent he gets traded garoppolo might be the top i mean he's a starter he's got plenty of experience he's took a team to

a super bowl it's not going to be like crazy, crazy, crazy expensive. I think he'll be really attractive, and I do think he'll be a starter. And I think, you know, there's some other guys that I wonder about too. Like will Baker be a starter? Will Minshew be a starter? Will Tannehill be a starter if the Titans do something with him? I mean, it's a good class. I wouldn't say it's like the greatest class ever, but it is a good one. So if Tannehill is out at Tennessee, that would mean Willis is in?

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, I would say let's play it forward a little bit. Let's say Tannehill, they do decide to trade him or cut him. I don't even know. They decide he's not a starter. Rand Carthon is their new GM. He came from San Francisco. Jim Trey Lance.

Oh, right. No, I don't think so. But Jimmy G might be possible. Jimmy G in Nashville, Tennessee. Could you imagine him in Nashville? I could, actually. What do you mean by that? What's that?

He's incredibly handsome and charming. There's going to be songs written about fucking Jimmy G. He goes to Nashville, Tennessee. I don't know if he has raw land like Aaron does, but Aaron was down there visiting the Bakhtiari's. Obviously the whole family, the Cobb family is down there. He didn't stop by and see Vrabes. Great question from AJ.

But I don't know if Jimmy G has raw land. I think he would have raw something else. That's my question for Rap. Yeah, Rap, I know you mentioned that the Cardinals have Brian Callahan and some other people coming in, but we really still haven't heard much about that. Is that job considered kind of like a dumpster fire, or why is the Colts one kind of the one that everyone's talking about it when it seems like the Cardinals also have no idea what the hell they're doing?

See, I don't really see it like that. The Cardinals have been quieter, but their search has been kind of just regular, like methodical but regular, and they've interviewed good candidates. The Colts one is more of a curiosity because there's so many, and so many rounds, and I don't know how many rounds it's going to end up being but a lot of them the Cardinals is just kind of a regular search I think it's a pretty good job um I think it's certainly more than okay the GM is really respected the Kyler not being ready to start the season makes it difficult and leads to some difficult decisions but I don't think it's a bad job. I just, you know, because there is some talent there.

There really is. They're going to have to get the right. We're watching the punt period right now that you are refusing. Oh, yeah, me too. That's what I'm doing also. How's the guy been hitting? He's been hitting good balls? Yeah.

I'm a big fan of. Oh, not that good. Whoever that is. Beringer, I think, is his name. Somebody just tweeted me. Go green. Yeah, he wears Rexpex. Yeah, he's a stud.

Actually won Michigan State games last year, not even kidding. Really? Yes, he's pretty good. Wow, all right, let's go, Beringer. Good luck out there. Bones and balls, pal. Did a great job in Major League. Jake Taylor in Major League.

Not bad. Connor, your question for Ian Rappaport, who is continuing to practice positionism in a massively disrespectful way that I can't believe I continue to allow you to be on the program. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Rapshie, I just want to let you know from me that I was actually on Sheffer's side on the source off, so I apologize. But when we're talking about Matt Rule and David Tepper, is Tepper going to make him like a speed bump in the courtroom?

Or how is that going to go? And is Rule going to waste all his money trying to get $5 million? Well, he spent $10 million to win not having to pay $5 million. Yes. Great question, Connor. First of all, I appreciate the transparency. I don't hold it against you. Like I said, once the news is out there, everyone can make their own decision.

I just know what I think. Anyway, the lawsuit is long. I have not read it completely yet, and I don't want to say something honestly dumb without really knowing the facts. So I know it's going to be interesting, and I know legally there's some, like, kind of fun, fascinating stuff there, but I don't know enough about it to where I should be saying anything that will probably get me in trouble. What?

Ian, what about Kansas City? No, no, no, just say something wrong. Even this guy's scared of Tepper. Everybody's scared of Tepper, bro. He's a dog, dude. He is. Sorry about that., no, no. Just say something wrong. Even this guy's scared of Tepper. Everybody's scared of Tepper, bro. He's a dog, dude. He is. Sorry about that. Go ahead, AJ.

What about Eric Biennemi? Is he still in the running? Could any of these teams, these guys that haven't hired anybody, is he going to get an interview? What's going on? He was obviously the last couple off seasons top of the list. Yeah, I haven't heard that he's eliminated from Indy, so I think there is a possibility that he could be part of the list yeah i haven't heard that he's eliminated from indy so i think there is a

possibility that he could be part of the fourth round for many rounds there are but i think the enemy's really in play for a play calling oc job a couple different places you know baltimore i think the commanders is really one to consider and like so you'd be like well he's already in why would he leave my homes he shares play calling with Andy Reid. I mean, he does a lot of it, but he shares it. That's breaking news again. You said this before. That is massive news if that's the case.

I think that is out there. I don't. Because the conversation is always Andy Reid does all the play calling. So when you're hiring, just like, no offense to him, Shane Steichen right now over in Philadelphia with Sirianni. You can kind of go around all the head coaches that call plays. Kafka over there with Dayball. I don't know if he's calling plays.

I think Dayball let him call plays. No, no, no. Kafka's calling plays. It's actually pronounced Kafka. He's calling plays. Oh, okay. Thank you for that correction. But these guys

that don't call plays, I think it is automatically like a hit. Like, okay, he's a part of the offense. He is. But Andy Reid's the guy calling the plays. You saying, I think you said this a couple weeks ago that they're splitting play calling duties. That was news to me. You saying it's already out there. Maybe. I feel like we live in this world. I did not know that. Is that true? Is that factual statement? He also does call plays? I just know he does a lot. Does he physically say the words to the quarterback? Probably not.

But I know he's very, very, very involved. But it's different. What's that mean? That's calling plays. What's that mean, Ravsheet? Let's say he's a play-calling OC for a defensive head coach like Ron Rivera or for John Harbaugh. It does put him in a little bit of a different category and it sets him up maybe to be a better head coach

in the future in the minds of the owners even though I think that's kind of dumb because being a head coach has almost nothing to do with whether or not you call plays it's all like leadership and such but anyway that's kind of where it is now. Now with that being said that's the issue with having a defensive head coach if the enemy goes into any of these places and has success, he's going to be a head coach after one year. And that coach is going to have to re find another Eric B enemy, which seemingly there isn't a lot of also, hopefully B enemy is a good play caller in the games, which we have seen some people who have offensive brilliant minds, not necessarily great play callers, because it takes a skill to call plays.

I think that's always been the thing that fans think about Eric Bien-Ami. He's like, well, Andy Reid's calling the plays. Even though a lot of players and other people have given him credit for a lot of the creativity and the designing of the plays, the play calling is such a big conversation. But if he's a head coach, you can bring in an offense coordinator to run your offense. Seems like he should get another shot at it. Chuck has a question for you.

Ian Rappaport. Hey, Ian. With Sean going to Denver and D'Amico being a defensive guy going to Houston, we know Vic was always tied in the conversation leading up to Sean getting back in it. Vic Fangio was going to be his defensive coordinator. Obviously not going back to Denver. Signed up with Miami. We saw that.

Do you think EJ Evero stays in Denver, number one? Do you have any information on that? And from an offensive standpoint, and D'Amico down in Houston, who do you think the offensive coordinator is? Is there a guy out there that you've heard that is tied to D'Amico that he's going to bring in there to run his offense? Okay, we'll start with the Ejiro Everill one first. He's meeting with Peyton, I believe, today to figure out if he's going to get to get out or if he has to stay.

We'll see what they decide. I know he is going to be very coveted. I know there's some teams who would like him as their D.C. There's not a lot of precedent for teams forcing guys to stay after passing them over for jobs. Would Sean Peyton really do that as his like first decision as a head coach i don't know but we'll find out today as far as the oc in houston bobby slowick is a name that interviewed yesterday i believe they interviewed a couple yesterday but slowick who's the past game coordinator with the 49ers i think is a pretty strong candidate in houston he's young he's got a really good reputation obviously knows domico i

think those two went at it in practice every day in san francisco so that would be probably a name one of the name to watch is there and houston used to coach for the washington football team before they were called the washington football team oh slowick that'd be another one from that coaching staff if he was to climb the ranks i do believe i just googled images here looks like a 12 year old in this photo but he certainly has the washington football team logo on his chest before they were the washington football team ian uh yeah i think that's right i trust you on that one that's wikipedia right they do a good a good job. Wikipedia does do a great job. They do.

I mean, every once in a while, they will certainly troll people. Yeah. They fuck around. Like if you say a quarterback is late to meetings, and the quarterback isn't late to meetings, boy, they go to your Wikipedia. What's that? It rings a bell.

Go ahead. We love Guy. Love him. He's going to be dancing in those waters for a little bit Go ahead. We love Guy. Love him. He's going to be dancing in those waters for a little bit of time. You know what I mean? A little bit of time. What's the big story coming out of there? Mike Tomlin?

I don't know if there's any Mike Tomlin stories, unless there's something that's broken while we're talking. He wants an offensive lineman, right? He's down there staring at the O-line. He's just been with the O-line the entire time. Last year, he was with the quarterbacks the entire time. They take Kenny Pickett at 20. I saw your friend Omar Khan, the GM, walk by

as we were talking, so let me go get some information from him and see what we come up with. Alright, we appreciate you so much for joining us. We'll see you next week, I believe, on Radio Row. You know, I live and in person. You excited? Hell yeah. I got it.

It's going to be good. Oh, yeah. All right, you're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. Ian Rapoport. Hey, Pat. Yeah? Perception-wise, don't we all think, and I was going to ask Ian,

don't you think that Eric Biannimi, if he leaves and goes and takes another offensive coordinator's job, all right, and proves that he can do it on his own, and he gets out from under the whole Andy Reid discussion, that would definitely benefit him. Regardless of where he goes, he needs to get out from underneath that whole thing. he doesn't call him he does he's you know they're splitting play calling a lot of success over there though yeah maybe in the middle of a dynasty no and if you're okay being that the rest of your coaching career and then he has to stare that in the face if he wants to be a head coach i think

he's gonna have to end up going out on his own and having success or whatever. But him saying he calls some of the plays and then immediately saying, I don't know if he's actually saying the words of the plays. He's not calling the plays. That would be calling plays. I think he designs the plays, though. Is that what you got out of that, AJ? Yeah, I guess you're involved in game planning and putting the whole plan together throughout the week,

but then you don't call the plays on game day. Well, and the Ravens, of all teams to go to, isn't that the most different offense than any other? If you're Lamar and them, you're probably pretty pumped that you're getting the enemy. And if you're a free agent, I think you would be much more likely on the offensive side to go to the Ravens if Eric Biennium's goal in place, I think. I would love that if I'm Lamar. You know, obviously you're going to expand that passing offense

that people have been talking about. He can obviously throw the ball, but you bring B. Enemy over there. Like you said, more weapons. And then you get up out of that Andy Reid tree or underneath his tree, I would say. I think that would be great for him. Yeah, because everybody just gives Andy Reid all the credit in the world for being successful from generation to generation

because if we weren't to give him credit, we'd be rude and we'd be doing him a disservice I assume there's been a lot of great coaches that have helped him out through the years but being able to call plays and being able in the moment to make the play and you know play the chess game against the defensive coordinator is vastly different than just saying hey this is a good play knowing when how the proper timing the feel is something that not everybody has even the smartest of offensive minds well and they're obviously two different guys but do you think people are kind of a little bit more hesitant given everything that just happened with Hackett it's like hey same exact situation he goes somewhere else gets his opportunity to call plays and then now they're

kind of thinking like oh is it just the generational quarterback that they had and then someone else who was calling the plays like this guy isn't in a position to call plays. We don't know if he'll be successful. But on the other side of that, you got fucking Super Bowl head coach, Sirianni, didn't call plays in Indy. Doug Peterson, before that, didn't call plays for Indy. Kevin O'Connell didn't call plays before. Zach Taylor did not call plays for the Rams. Mike Daniel didn't call plays before Zach Taylor did not call plays for the Rams.

Mike Daniel. Didn't call plays. So who knows? Got to have the opportunity to fail. True. Got to have the opportunity to succeed. Could be one or the other, but I do believe that is something. I'm not saying that's what owners are thinking whenever they're deciding on whether or not to hire Bien-Ami.

And that whole conversation over the last, what, four years has certainly warranted some discussion on, like, this guy gets an interview with everybody. How come he's not getting hired? Is it because he's a terrible interviewer? Is it because who knows what you dive into? Or is it because there's a fear that Andy Reid could make anybody good? And I think that's a bit unfair, especially with what the players have said, AJ.

Yeah, I guess. But, I mean, everything I hear about Bien-Ami, the guy's an absolute stud. Holds his guys accountable. He's like a hard-driving coach. There's some clips of him coaching Adrian Peterson back in the day that he and Adrian, like, they went to battle. Like, it seemed like a fun relationship. Andy Reid, same thing. Andy Reid, big attention to detail guy.

Hey, we're going to have our socks. We're going to be tucked in. We're going to do this. Bien-Ami, same type of thing. Because you see Travis Kelsey having a good time and calling a mayor a jabroni right and have his own podcast you see patrick bahamas making these magical plays i think the way their team is run is like a fucking hey this is how we do it i don't i don't want to say patriot way but there's a lot more accountability i think than anybody could ever fathom yeah structure and everything that's

important is that something that you would want? Between these last two teams, and depending on how these Colts interviews go, would you want a Steichen or a Biennemi, even though they haven't called plays, but they're bringing that system? So as soon as Sirianni leaves, Frank forgets how to call plays. Yeah, true. I don't know if we need to do that again with the whole not respecting Sirianni's brain decision here. But if we bring in Steichen,

then we're just assuming that he learned enough and is good enough that he could potentially do a good job. But if he doesn't do good, we'll be fucked by the Sirianni effect yet again. For sure. Because Sirianni leaves Indianapolis, the offense looks vastly different when Sirianni leaves. Oh, yeah. Vastly, vastly different.

Changes. And the whole thing like, you know, Frank Wright just told Carolina reporters what went wrong, and then he said our run game disappeared. But, like, with Carson, we were not running the ball. Throwing it. Yeah, so it's, you know, I don't – I love Frank. I think Frank's a good guy. Yeah.

I think Frank will be able to have success as a head coach somewhere at some point. But a lot of things he's saying, it's like, whose fault is that? Whose fault is that? Would you be opposed if they were to hire Jeff Saturday and then they hire someone like Steichen or someone who hasn't had the opportunity to call plays before but is an OC? Is Jeff going to get hired? Jeff's going to get that job, huh?

For sure, 100%. Chuck Pagano, what are your thoughts on it all? It just seems like the longer it goes, he would have done it already. The longer it goes, I think his percentages go down. And to your point about replacing guys, like when Ciarani was here setting up things, O'Connell setting up things for Shanahan, that offensive coordinator, he's not calling the plays, but he's setting up things. O'Connell setting up things for Shanahan. That offensive coordinator, he's not calling the plays

but he's setting up everything. He's orchestrating the meetings because the head coach has to be other places. So, when Sirianni left, who goes into the offensive coordinator's role? Mark Sprady. No, Mark Sprady. And who's the first to get fired? Mark Sprady.

So, I think not having... Okay, we're going to lose this guy. He's a really good play call, really good coach. He's going to get fired? Mark Spray. So I think not having here, okay, we're going to lose this guy. He's a really good play caller, really good coach. He's going to get a head job. Who's next in line? Okay. And you may think it's somebody in the building because everything's going good. It may not be.

You may have to go out and find another dude. It's tough to hire good coaches. It's not easy to find. Shout out to Ian Rapport from Radio Row last year. Sat like this for 20 minutes yep the entire time hand on ear for 20 minutes howdy that's literally what he did 20 minutes it's so uncomfortable it honestly is yeah i think he thought we couldn't hear him so he had to hold that thing nice and tight mike worked for everybody else oh yeah i wouldn't get him yes fine the seat

did swallow him too yeah yeah you know i mean the seat ate him up yeah a little bit but the words he was saying out of those beautiful microphones being held down were fantastic cannot wait to get the radio oh i know it's gonna be amazing 15 minutes he sat like this you remember this aj yeah because we all had to sit like this as well and he didn't even did he did he ever figure it out no it's the very beginning we thought okay because everybody came in at the beginning and adjusted the headset everybody adjusts it and we're like all right status quo status quo status quo then he never let go ever and then the whole team just had to put their fucking hands up to the headphones okay fuck it and i didn't even have them no you had the earbuds. I had to fuck in, so

what a scene. We can't wait to get to Radio Row. Talking about big guests. Yeah, huge. Huge ones. Big guests next week. Big, big. Both literally and in the world. What does that mean? Who's the big guest that you've heard of literally? I don't want to tease that. I've just seen the list that Zeke sent out of some of the

guests that are scheduled to come on. Some tall humans. Don't sleep on Barry Oak. I don't know how or why we got to that. President Obama will not be on our show at Radio Row. No presidents, actually, will ever be on this program. Thank God. You never know.

Just want to give a good solid guess here. I'm predicting on this particular February 2nd, 2023, there will never be a president on this program. I don't know. Cause what about president of the NCAA or president? Not never president of the NCAA. Never coming on.

We did have Jason, right? President of the Washington never coming on we did have jason right president of the washington football team okay president of the united states of america okay commander duane johnson is possible what if hw was i thought about that yesterday actually when i was watching young rock on peacock um yeah we all were there was that whole series started with him running for president yeah there was a time where we all just assumed Dwayne Johnson was going to be president of the United States of America. That is really sizzling.

Is that all because Black Adam stunk? Yes. Nobody wants him to be president now? Unfortunately, yeah. That is not my command or chief. That's not true. It doesn't seem right. There is a change.

It's great. A lot different sizzle, though, isn't it? Not just for The Rock. I will like every post he ever puts out. We have ZOA energy drinks in that fridge over there. If I have the opportunity to buy the French toast that he's selling, I will buy it. I mean, I am a supporter of Dwayne The Rock Johnson. The XFL, I'll never work in it again, but I did do one game of service in it.

I will put on for a rating for The Rock so it does well. But there is zero convos about him potentially running for president in the future when just a few years back it was like, Dwayne's going to be our president. President Rock is going to be awesome. And everybody was like, yeah, actually, why not the fucking Rock? Do other people know, though? Do you think other casual fans even know that he's going through this situation that I guess Black Adam didn't perform like they wanted?

Absolutely not. That's strictly coming from here. Where? Those are facts, Tony. Right here. Those are facts. Tony, this is widely reported. This toxic table.

I've seen the movie. We live on the internet. Nobody else knows. I would have never knew unless it was for you guys. Yeah, but you don't watch movies. That's fair. That's completely fair. people know about black adam there is a chance that john cena is the president of china and he's been on let's get to a break

so i've into everything db ladies and gentlemen there was obviously some good some bad some fantastic and to break it all down from a db. And not a douchebag. No, no. A defensive back perspective. It is Darius J. Butler. Look at the DB. Yes, sir. Let's get to it. Most of these plays will be from the AFC Championship since. What's that?

In the Trenches was all from the NFC Championship. Well, nice. So, obviously, the other game, NFC Championship, Brock Purdy being knocked out. Josh Johnson being knocked out. You know, they never had a fucking chance. Eagles got the Eagles pelt back to stop the run. No chance. So, we're going to get to the NFC Championship.

Now, in this game, a lot of rookies had to show up, right, on defense in this back end. So, you got, obviously, a vet out here with Justin Reed. But we got rookie, rookie, rookie. So we got a lot of rookies out here and that's AFC championship game against this offense. Obviously, the offensive line was banged up. So these guys up front got to take over the second quarter. Are these the same guys playing in the Super Bowl? It depends. Put out the we won't know it. They got an extra week. So Snead got knocked out, I believe, like the first drive.

McDuffie definitely will be. McDuffie will be playing, but Snead, hopefully he'll be back. I think it was concussion, so two weeks, I would expect him to play. And remember that one corner that Chuck highlighted on Thursday, who got the pick against the Chargers, I believe? 35. Those two.

Those two will be playing. Jalen Watson, so that's him right there we can pause it so right now we got man coverage across the board and for some reason I don't know if it's because he came on this show but they're doubling they're showing him a lot of love right here Trenton Irwin and then down bottom obviously Jamar Chase is going to get a lot

of attention with the safety over the top down here so that leaves a one on one somebody's got to wear the hat as Chuck would say and that's Jalen Watson 35 been balling ever since he's been on Coach P's Keys. This is a slot fade. This is a route we've been seeing all year long. And the reason why it's so tough is because you put a good receiver in this slot and you've got a ton of space.

Usually it's a post safety in here, but it's no, no, zero safety help. So it's pretty much cover zero right now for this rookie corner on T. Higgins, who a lot of people see as a wide receiver 1B. Running back to the beginning, please, Pat. Now, usually why it's so tough is this receiver takes an outside release and you throw that fade ball, but he's actually outside leverage and forces T. Higgins to go inside where he wants him to go, completely throws off this time, and then the best part is the finish.

You know, DB, you can do everything right but you got everything right but you got to finish and jaylen watson high points this ball so right now t higgins isn't even ready for this ball yet he got his eyes back before the receiver burrows under a little pressure from dunlap i believe high point all night that's a big time play and that's on third and down so that's money down third and two they go to the slot fade because burrow has one-on-one coverage and usually t higgins wins those but the rookie wins that one second one we can see from the back obviously you'll see the pressure why do they double erwin strictly because of film or maybe because he's at the three position it's third and two you know so it's like yeah you don't want to give up that quick you know pressure and when you

got all those rookie dbs back there playing i mean it's huge for you to be able to get home with just the front four and that's where kansas city d chris jones pretty much dominate this game from wire to wire and when you can get home with four and keep guys back and help those other dbs out um that's a big a big deal frank clark uh or is this a chris jones sack right here no sorry Josh Williams rookie corner down here so we got split safety coverage it looks like he looks like he almost wants to come off and play this flat so I'm not sure if it was a cover two or quarters down here he plays it like quarters he plays it like cover two at the beginning but this is a great job by another rookie at safety right here

and he's going to be talking about tips and overthrows all the time so he so you'll see this flat kind of takes his eyes maybe he's just seeing too much because this guy's room with the flat and there's no hesitation another money down this is starting three so he's going with that flat once again another reason why i think it was quarters down here but he's going to flat so he should be high shoulder he He should stay high, right? And his safety should be able to drive everything underneath of that receiver. So post, dig, curl. Those are his routes.

And then he should be top shoulder. But right now, safety sees he's in trouble. He sees the corner's in trouble, so he goes and drives top shoulder. Gets his head around. So right now, gets his head around. Once again, you're throwing to T. Higgins. Gets his head around and makes a now, gets his head around. Once again, you're throwing to T. Higgins. Gets his head around and makes the play on the ball. Tips it up.

Joshua Williams running his ass off. He catches the tip. Oh. I mean, that's perfect. You always talk about DBs panicking, not getting their head around. He saved that corner. Oh, yeah, big time. That was always the scariest thing when we doubled, right, getting split.

And you had to define, okay, who's on top and who's underneath. Yep. So this corner, now has he got cooked here? So this is my, if you run it back to the beginning, I think this is quarter. So this looks like half up here. So you got quarter, quarter, so quarter, quarter, half. So I think this is half up top, quarters down bottom. But sometimes there's a corner, once again, it's a rookie,

especially when you're in the press. If you're in quarters, that's pretty much like man with inside help. That flat route shouldn't influence you at all, even if it is 33. He should be dropping here? He should just be, yeah. I'm all him. But he goes kind of sluggo, right? So if you run it back to the beginning, just let the route play. T. Higgins' route is kind of like a slant and go.

So, I mean, just an incredible job from the safety to get his foot. It's almost like a combine drill if you watch just his footwork. He comes back, he breaks on the initial route, gets back. Literally a combine drill. You do it, come down, come back up, and then get back and turn your head around. He turns his head around, locates his ball, and then Josh Williams does. Probably, to your point, it's probably stuff, right? Stuff number one?

Yep. Where's Chase? Chase up top. Yep. So, he your point, it's probably stuff, right? Stuff number one? Yep. Where's Chase? Chase up top. So he carries the cloud corner, right, and stuff? And that's quarters away. Yep. So you're clouding that corner. You're clouding Jamar Chase.

This whole game, they had four eyes on Chase. That's the respect. He's the man. The same thing on the flip side with Kelsey when they're on offense. He's about to jump his slant, huh? Yep. So he's ready to drive that slant. So he does a great job driving it, recognizing the slant and go,

and then getting back, and then most importantly, getting his head around. Oh, shit. And what was this, like second to last drive, too, or last drive for anybody? Yeah, this was fourth quarter, seven-something left in the clock. Second to last drive, I think. Yep. Dropped eight, too, huh? They had a guy come out of the rush rush three and had a rat there to take away the little spot route.

Yeah, third and three. So you take away the low balls. Boo! High point there. That's beautiful. Beautiful. So back-to-back rookies making big plays. This next play from the first quarter, it's the Frank Clark sack.

Frank Clark showed up as well. He kind of shows up in these playoffs every year, and he talks shit. I love his promos after the game. They're the best. Once again, all these rookies, great coverage on the back end to allow these guys up front. Just watch this Joshua Williams, rookie, rookie. Just watch the communication and just the patience, overall awareness of these guys. They're going to pass these routes, let them go that way, and then absorb the other ones coming back at them.

So it's like that's – when you got young guys out there doing that type of shit, that lets you know that they're being coached well. So shout out to Spaggs. I was about to say, who's the coach? Spaggs. Yeah, so I'm having – Three-time champ. He's a DB coach too?

He's a longtime defensive back coach, longtime D coordinator, Pison. Yeah. Super Pison. Beat Brady twice in the Super Bowl. He was head coach for the Rams, St. Louis Rams. Might be five. And Spag's defense it takes them a while to learn it too? That would be a better question. You know, so every year about week 13, 14, they always talk about them

coming into their own and they just hit their stride in the playoffs and then they're unbelievable. Another money down too. So this is third and ten. ten you just see this if you run it back one more time from the wide like you got all these routes coming across the middle of the field and then all these defensive bodies because quarterbacks a lot of times they don't know the ins and outs and the particulars of every coverage but it's about throwing windows for them it's about um seeing color the depth of underneath droppers and he's look everybody's in great position this is p ryan is probably the only guy that's kind of open but that's not where burrow's looking on third and ten and by the time he can get back to

him the pockets collapsing his whole line got whooped they did their thing the week before against buffalo in the run game but uh casey opened up a whole can of whoop ass on him and bolton is only a second year too right so is this like the youngest defense in the league? You know, they got their guys healthy. Who's the other starter? We got Thornhill. In the back end? Justin Reed.

Justin Reed. Reed. I'm trying to think of the other corner. Yeah, so those are the effects. How about Lenore? Isn't that the other? No, Lenore's out there in San Fran. Yeah, San Fran.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So right now, at this point in time, typically you don't want rookies playing these type of big games. But they're out there. San Fran. Yeah, San Fran. Oh, yeah, yeah. So right now, at this point in time, typically you don't want rookies playing these type of big games. But they're out there. And then at this point, you got coaches in there saying, it's just players too. Hey, you're not a rookie anymore. It's week 25, but the rookie in their mind, I mean, it's a long, long, long year. So this week off will be good for them. And it's going to be a big, big game.

How about that, AJ? These young bucks stepping up. I'm curious to see how many of them are going to be playing in the Super Bowl because D-Buck's right. You can watch them. They're anticipating what the route concepts are, and you can see them pointing and yelling at the snap when everything starts to happen. It's pretty good.

In the middle of the play. Both full-arm extension points. Yeah. So when the coaches are watching the film you can't be like oh no yeah i called it i called the under i told him like no we need to we need confirmation verbal and non-verbal that's brian cook down there the rookie safety so you'll sit again on this play great job getting home up front this play brian cook let's get up there in the big spot

hey alert alert alert get everybody on the same page believe this is two-man coverage that's rookie there huh yeah he's rookies wild it's two-man coverage it tripped McDuffie man like first rounder so obviously you're your first round guy going to a good team high expectations but to come in as a rookie and be able to play the slot um like he has Snead has been their slot defender he's been able to go outside and inside more but mcduffie had an unbelievable game cook was their second round pick out of cincinnati from cincinnati oh oh ohio fuck hometown kid wow uh read it back a little bit uh pat so this was the i saw this earlier uh in the week i'm not sure where but this is i, the secret formation

that they've been holding since the AFC Championship. We got Chris Jones. It's another top secret formation. Why does he do all that? So Chris, I don't know what you're talking about, but Chris Jones. You know what I'm talking about. Carlos Dunlap. It's your guy.

What are you talking about? Why does that happen? What's going on? I don't know what you're talking about. All right. That's what he was told. There's a lot of O-linemen who were. D-Bud, just be honest.

Well, that was actually wide. The one you're talking about is the wide techniques when Chris Jones is a D-tackle. This is a top secret. I don't think this one's passed over. So this might be everything DB. That guy ran your campus, by the way. We got Chris Jones and Carlos Dunlap down bottom. Chris Jones outside.

Once again, this starts, in my opinion, with the coverage. And then Chris Jones obviously just whooping ass up front. But everybody's locked in tight. It ain't just two-man coverage. But when Burrow gets to the top of his drop, like, who's open? Can you stop this ball? Like, boom, right there. Like, damn. Sticky. We're sticky. this is um what point is this in the game this is 44 seconds left in the game i believe

the game was 2020 at this point so you know i was just this was part of the script they said was yeah but this was before you know my homes got to do his, get pushed out of balance late, all that shit. 20-20, 44 seconds on the clock. Chris Jones, you see him waving. Pretty cool Burrow just took that sack because the script had it. It's nice of him. Stand-up guy. That's a real thing.

Legitimately, wholeheartedly believe it. The birds aren't a real thing, sure. They actually... Speaking of, these crows are awesome. Yeah, they are. They're really helping me come back around. They eat the donuts? Yeah, they eat everything, too. Donuts, peanuts, almonds.

Yep. And it turns out if you don't have them out there ready for them, they will bonk their faces off this glass and off the glass upstairs if there isn't any more left. That's right. We've been pecking. It's getting cold outside. We know that you got it now. It hasn't really gone the exact same way I thought.

I thought they'd be a little bit more understanding and patient with us if we reach out the olive branch to the crows. Instead, it's been like, oh, now we know that you know that this is how this goes. So now we're going to need this when we need it, pal. I need to remind them that beggars can't be choosers. What are you going to do with that? Well, maybe we fucking break one of those crows' necks and toss it out there. It's like, hey, you know what?

We don't want it to go like this. We also caused a massive... But it could. Yeah, that's the problem. The squirrels are getting mad. I got the crows over the squirrels 10 times out of 10. That's what I've learned from the crows. The squirrels know they've got to pay a little bit to be around on this property.

The crows think we're lucky to be here. Right. Which we are, for sure. The amount of shit we've learned, they might be the most fascinating bird in the sky, these crows. They're up there. They're brilliant. Well, let's have a fucking bald eagle show up and see how the crows act. I don't know if the bald eagle could put together a little fucking Rubik's Cube like these goddamn

crows can. Yeah, it could pick up an antelope off the side of a mountain. I understand that, but would it hold a grudge against the antelope if it doesn't taste as good as the other fucking animals? I don't know. That's what crows do. Yeah, that's true. You raise a good point.

Crows hold grudges. I'm starting to hate these crows. They yeah that's true you raise a good point crows hold grudges i'm starting to hate these girls they're asking for fucking 10 percent who tells you that the window who's letting you know the internet did and then you saw the video of that thing putting together the goddamn the puzzle the blocks prices i did not see that one but if you any animal if you put donuts out there every day i would assume they're gonna come back just like the otters and the skunks and all the other stuff you had at your old house. Do not call the crows otters or skunks. These things are a complete different league of intelligence.

Otters are very intelligent as well. I would love an otter, actually. If we showed up here at the Thunderdome property and a fucking otter was in the back, we'd all be very excited. They use rocks to open up clams and oysters. Yeah, and they clean themselves too. They do the whole thing. Speaking of animals, are we still using the groundhog? Is that like, I've seen that everywhere.

This fucking rat, okay? I can't take it anymore. I'm from Pennsylvania, okay? So I guess we bear a little bit of the burden of this fucking rat becoming something. But it's nowhere near where we're from. Punxsutawney's nowhere near where we're from. It's a hell of a party from what I heard in the morning. With how

good of a party it is, it's a surprise that this fucking rat even comes out of its hole to begin with. But yet again, this piece of shit garment comes out of the goddamn ground and tells the world, and this time in a poem wrote bars, had enough time to fucking write a full anecdote as if he was a pop star, which people have made

him. He says six more weeks of winter. Hey, we don't need that shit. Okay, Phil? Why don't you just do your job one time and bear good news, okay, instead of bad news? I mean, Mike Wallen's with the weirdo with the beard in the top half. That's who I think is at fault. I agree.

That is the bigger issue. That's Zach Brown. That's Zach Brown. That's not Zach Brown, but he is trying to look like Zach Brown. How many sedatives is that thing on? I bet because groundhogs are nasty, man. They almost killed our dog growing up. Those things will bite your face.

Oh, yeah. And they'll grow big, too. There was a big-ass groundhog in the backyard of the house. I don't even know where it's at. I think it's basically a corpse right now. Well, they should make it a real corpse so I wouldn't have to listen to it. Did you get a script? The rat does get a script.

That's what we're saying. This is all for gays, I think. It's got to be. What's Pennsylvania doing? We created Euchre. What are you talking about, dude? Absolutely. We should have a Euchre game to decide whether there's six more weeks of winter.

Go one time before you – I'm from there, damn it. I've heard the party. I told you that's Zach Brown. I think it's east of us. I believe it's east of Pittsburgh. It's not that. It's a little bit farther east of Indiana, IUP.

Yeah, it's a little over there. Western Central? Yeah. You don't know. Yes, I do. I know. It's a little by its IUP. I'm a little bummed, though, that this rat.

An hour and a half from Pittsburgh. Boom. Which way? This way? Northeast. Yep. Ain't nothing good come from that area. It's in between Katanning and Dubois.

All right. Good things come from Katanning and Dubois. But this fucking rat is a piece of shit, and we need to end it. I'm tired of it. Okay? Staten Island rat who lives in a dumpster fire. Staten Island Chuck. Hell yeah.

There it is. Came out and said. Did you see what happened to the Canadian? Yeah, they killed it. Yeah. Wait, why? The Canadian groundhog was going to pull this shit again? Was going to pull this whole winter six more weeks?

The shot. I don't think so, buddy. Snap his neck. They pulled it out, and it was dead. And they did. They were like, well, we don't know if it saw a shadow or what. It seems to be sleeping still. May have been too many booster shots as well from Canada.

Geez. Now we got a COVID thing at the bottom of this video forever. Hope you're happy, Nick. We're talking about a groundhog, obviously. Drank one too many Molson XXX, as I heard. Well, I'd be drunk, too, if I'm going to tell the world that their life sucks for the next six weeks again. I mean, it'd be tough to sleep at night, but the groundhog's been able to do it,

and these people have been able to profit off it for all these years. I just want everybody to know that I am sick of this rat, and I'm tired of it. Remember COVID year? Oh, yeah. This is when I had enough. The world had been through enough. Everybody's down blah blah blah we need some sense of good news just some some good news needs to come this piece of shit comes out of the hole and goes i got bad news for you so we don't need it you fake fucking thing all right if we needed to hear who was when

winter's coming we would have dug up dinardo yep and we would have fucking had him tell us okay we don't need this groundhog to bring bad news when the world already has enough bad news so i think that's when i was out on the ground i have heard it's a great party though like oh i can imagine people have a great great time this is the canadian. That's Fred. Fred's dead. They pulled him out and he was dead? Yeah, well, I don't know if they pulled him out or if they killed him and just dropped him back in there.

Rest in peace, Fred. Pulled him out, he had a bullet in his head. Miss you, Fred. What's that, Chuck? Looked asleep. Fred? Yeah. He was.

The eternal sleep. He had a nice tooth. In hell. Yeah, you're right. He does have a nice tooth. It's on someone's necklace now. All those little vermin are... They're all an interesting little thing. Like raccoons. There it is.

What do they do? We need them. I don't know. We need everything. Control the grub population, Pat. I put up a couple bat houses. I want to get some bats out here so i get mosquitoes out of here we have bats around the house we have a couple bat houses around the house because the mosquitoes over on the lake it's so bad wait till you see those fuckers flyer they'll buzz you they'll give you a little hey we're here flight bats are awesome they are a ton at our house in the summer how about that one what where's that one? In Thailand or something?

It was like seven foot tall. Oh, yeah. The upside down. The wolf bat? Yeah, the wolf. That thing is sweet. I don't know if that's his exact name. How do we get those in America? We need them.

I don't know. I think we bring those over to America and feed them a couple shotgun shells. We don't need those things fucking moving around. I'm done with mosquitoes. Yeah, those things aren't eating mosquitoes. They're eating human beings. Mosquitoes are the number one killer in the entire world okay we need to we need those bats yeah i thought these things eat all the mosquitoes look at that big nose that's a baby one is that a moose wait till you see a full grown it's the moose jaw bat there should be if we can

find a full grown one that's hanging hanging obviously yeah it's like six foot seven foot tall next level that thing's an alien that is not it it's bigger i mean it kind of looks like that that is not what it is it looks like the human on the left yeah he just saw one how about him taking advantage of the moment too and cutting a full poem promo classic guys star of the show madonna mic on so they're pumped every time they do this people cheered by the way i heard people cheering it's like they don't even know what he's saying yeah they're just trying they're happy every time they do this. People cheered, by the way. I heard people cheering. It's like they don't even know what he's saying. They're just drunk. They're just happy to see Phil.

Anyways, we're done with this rut. I don't have to make it a yearly thing of me burying a fucking groundhog. Boom, boom. What the fuck? That's a real thing? Yeah. Come on. I mean, if you see that, what do you do?

Just take a baseball bat and just go to town? Precisely. Stake through the heart. Yeah, you're going to need to snap that bat in half and stake through the heart. Have you seen Last of Us? You watch Last of Us at all? I have not yet, but I will. All right.

Okay. Here we go. Back to it. John Leverett, Chris Jones. Switch positions. Is that Tatanka? I just noticed that. Is that Tatanka? Tatanka noticed that. Is that Tatanka?

Tatanka? Yeah. No, that's Cuzza the Buffalo. Rest in peace. That thing used to run the planes. It did. That's right. You remember Dancers with Wolves, right?

Tatanka. Of course. The WWE superstar. I had a dream the other night. That fell on my head and fucking crushed me and I died. That'd be nuts. You guys just went on with the show. The show must go on.

Move the ball 10 yards. Yeah, we would have to. Riverside. That's amazing. Alright, let's move along. Sorry about it. Sorry. Teas and peas. Teas and peas. Alright, so this is the play that essentially ended the game, ended the

NFC Championship for the 49ers. So you five-man set. So we had our play last week. Let's go to the next play first that we did last week from the divisional game that

Oh shit, is it on there? The Giants Oh, I don't know on there? The Giants. Oh, I don't know if it has it. We'll have it. All right. Fuck it. We can go back. There's a lot of punks.

So, it was that play. I don't know if you guys remember. It was the one you said you should have thrown to Saquon to the floor. Oh, yeah, yeah. Josh Sweat dropped out. Sure. One, two, three, four, five guys down up top. And then that play in the divisional round, Sweat dropped out.

Redick dropped out. And then Chauncey Gardner blitzed up the middle, got home. This time, all five rush. You keep single high, three underneath, three deep coverage. I don't know. I hope they didn't just think that this tight end would be able to hold up against Hassan Redick, guy who should be in the defensive player of the year conversation.

Maybe they thought this Deebo Samuel orbit motion would kind of hold him as well, but he dominates the matchup, as you would expect, gets home, gets to Brock Purdy's elbow. And like I said, this essentially ended this game for the United States. Were they targeting the arm in a despicable fashion with Darius J. Butler? Going for the ball. We play with Sam, man, the best in the history to do it. When you go, they literally coach it now. Like, you don't even go for the body.

When we play Big Ben, hey, tackle his right arm. Tackle his right arm. I don't even try to tackle that 300-down quarterback. Tackle his right arm. This is where Redick going. The closing speed, him to be able to beat this. I was going to hit you. Sorry, D, but as he gets off that block, from there to there,

that's not real. How fast he he closed on the quarterback and he dips too yeah flew past fletcher cox who's also with this five down front if you run it back it's five down front you end up even with the two tight ends it's yy wing down here kiddo releases but everybody ends up with one-on-ones except lindell limbaugh joseph he gets the double team so you got fletcher cox one-on-one you got harvard i believe one-on-one sweats one-on-one and reddick's one-on-one with a tight end and you got the big space eater taking up two two offensive linemen in the middle of the

field so i mean design great job by the philadelphia eagles and also a horrible job by the 49ers oh how you might score there too. Yeah. I mean, listen, I say it all the time. This is the best pass coverage in the world right here. Because Iuke, unbelievable route on Bradbury. And these corners, they're not going to get beat a ton. But when they do get beat, you've got to take advantage of them from the

offensive standpoint. Oh, shit. That changes the game a bit. Yeah. How many times did Kyle Shanahan watch this play? And always another cultural point, too. Always recover the ball. Always, always, always.

Because on the field, this was called an incomplete pass. They went back, reviewed it. It was called a fumble, and it went to the Eagles because you saw him beat this double team and get to the ball, big fella. him beat this double team and get to the ball, big fella. Did you see Jimmy Ward, the Niners' quarterback captain, said that he didn't want to play nickel anymore and Shanahan asked him if he wants to ride the bench? Yeah, I mean, those are unfortunately the kind of real conversations you have. You know what I mean?

He went and told, hey, Coach Shanahan, I want to talk to you. He went to his office. Hey, Coach, not interested in playing nickel anymore. And he was a safety, so that was his spot. But he got hurt. Gibson, Hufenga, obviously had an all-pro year. Those guys, you're playing well. Coaches don't like to, if you're not supposed to technically lose your job

to injury, but if shit's going good, they went on the fucking, they had the number one defense in the league. I've never heard that from somebody of importance. As far as what? The injury thing? Yeah, always hear it from pundits and fans and stuff like that. It's not reality. I actually heard a quarterback say that.

Jameis. Jameis did say it, but it also seems like we see it 15 to 20 times every single year. A guy absolutely loses his spot to injury because the guy coming in balls out. You hear fucking Wally Pitt. Same thing was happening in Washington with the Commanders. Heineken comes in and they're playing for that kid. They rally around that kid.

You know Carson's healthy. They just didn't want to go back to him. Can't join the club in the tub. And then they decided to in the most important game of the season. He played like shit. To be fair, Ron Rivera didn't know they could be eliminated. Or own. We played like shit. To be fair, Ron Rivera didn't know they could be eliminated. Or all.

We could be eliminated. We got fourth and one right here. This is Mahomes. I mean, just obviously unbelievable performance, but you got Travis Kelsey always on the same page. He ends up running a seven route, right? So he's the deep seven.

Everybody else is kind of in good position. Mahomes moves the pocket Kelsey sees that Jesse Bateson great outside leverage just kind of pivots away from him Mahomes puts the ball on the fourth and one you're going for it you move the pocket this is the play you call and Mahomes to Kelsey I mean it's inevitable at this point so everybody so you pause it right here if you run it back a little bit, this is where the Mahomes magic comes in at. Because if you pause it, like everybody's in great position. Now this could be obviously a bang, man, get your ass up there, young boy. They're in good spot. He's in a good spot with him running that route.

But he just pivots and pushes away from him. And this is how they scored most of their touchdowns. Them just going and playing backyard football. Off script? Him pivoting, I mean, the end of that play. The end of that play. I was watching that live, and I was surprised he didn't throw it to Juju in the flat immediately.

But then I think he just saw Jesse Bates' back and knew Kelsey was going to turn around at some point. He had that time, right? He had the time up front and they built kind of like, if you run it it back to the beginning they kind of built that sprint out formation a lot of times typically pre-snap you can kind of get something gives you a tail if you see a tight end in the sea area with a back away sometimes they'll switch it and do it opposite they just put a tight end backside and just had him kind of run away and cut that backside rusher

off so my homes had time, didn't feel pressure. I don't even think he even looked at that. I know. He literally didn't even look at you. What's Vaughn Bell confused about at the beginning of this play? I think it was a little late motion if you run it back. Oh, okay. So just trying to get on the same page.

And Andy Reid, a lot of offenses now, Andy Reid is always threatening your edges on the got to have it type plays. So you see the communication. Sprint right option, right? Yeah, got to be ready. Sprint right option. This is what this is right here. Andy, you can count on two things, all right?

In these critical situations like D-Butt's talking about, his sprint right option, they build trips to our left, trips formation, and you've got the overhang like Darius was talking about to pin the edge. It's going to be sprint out flat seven and then they just adjust from there and the other thing is in the low red shovel pass yeah they build something where you got to offset back to quarterbacks left side defenses right look for the shovel pass yeah so that play is drawn up obviously for Kelsey to run to that pylon but Mahomes sees where Bates is Kelsey sees where Bates is and he just runs away from uh Bates now this is uh the MVS touchdown uh cover one down

here and I cover one of these post safeties um this is where you kind of this is where you take chances right because you want to be that bonus player you're not necessarily worried on the 20 yard line 19 yard line of guys running past you. So Sky Moore runs. This is third and 10, I believe. Sky Moore runs the crossing route. Yep, crossing route. Jesse Bates vacates that middle of the field under pressure.

Mahomes, as he's making his move, he sees that middle of the field vacated. Obviously knows where MVS is. MVS throws his hands up. He steps up gets hit laser wow laser you remember when we did it did this debuts what we would tell you is a nickel to do once the free safety took that to become that free safety so what chug is talking about right here is if now if it's talked about pre-snap run it back a little bit please but if it's talked about pre-snap and this is kind of on that uh this is high red right so low red will definitely if this is on the 10 yard line we're definitely doing this

but this is high red area 20 yard line so he runs that crosser so if he if i know my free safety is taking that now i have to become that free safety so i would drop that and let that go but that's tough tough to do from from the press if i'm that guy and he goes, it's much easier. But if I'm in the press, that's tough because right now I have to bounce off and basically go vertical and get my eyes back to my homes. I was thinking maybe just he sloughs off and get in that window. At least give, you know, what a throwing catch. Yeah, because this is, I mean, this is a laser.

You're avoiding the pressure late. Mike Hilton, you know, he had a hell of a game against Buffalo, creating havoc in that backfield, but they kind of exposed him on the edge outside this week with MVS. MVS had a few big plays on him. Yeah.

Any worry about the Chiefs if Hardman, Juju, and Tony don't go? I mean, yeah. Obviously, Mahomes is so special. You can never count him out, especially with Kelsey, because everybody oh, you got top three receivers out like Kelsey is the number one receiver. Even when Tyreek Hill was there, he was obviously the big play guy. He controlled that middle field safety. But Kelsey was getting the targets every year, year in, year out.

One of the best pass catchers. When you go 12 personnel, it's really 11 personnel because he's another receiver on the same with 13 that's 12 personnel so um it i'm no i'm not worried about it kelsey's out there mahomes out there and mvs i was gonna say mvs you know like he never had to do that in green bay obviously but like that yes that was kind of his coming out part like he has special speed and they really haven't used him like that that much all year so maybe mckinnon plays a bigger role right with those guys i thought scott moore would have a bigger year bigger season yeah but um somebody shut up in spots right they give him uh some jet sweeps too every game yeah and uh chiefs chief offensive line this year they played their ass off, especially in these playoffs. So we shall see.

And then this last play, AQ went over it yesterday. But just, I mean, this is just an unbelievable run. I mean, he was there to rice in the hole. So you got an edge. You got an inside guy. You got him shooting a gap. This dude jumps over him, lands on jukes slay and then breaks like this is like this is just freak yeah this this it makes it more ridiculous from this back copy but

i just had to throw this one on there a little bit of respect here for mccaffrey free agent so let's say now hey good to run it back real quick, though. So this is a great job. I mean, clinic by the safety. He just felt it, triggered. Because this receiver is supposed to crack block Epps. Beats the crack block. I would say stay on your feet, make the tackle.

Much easier saying that standing here with this stick in my hand than out there with a Rydell on. But, I mean, see, Mac, this is a special, special play from a special play. Do you think McCaffrey has to, like, write a handwritten letter to Goodell thanking him for putting this in the script? Yeah, you got to. You got to show him love. At least let him get one touchdown, you know, while they're getting their ass whooped.

And this is a keep. No threat of a play action or anything. You know you're handing this ball off. Let me get downhill. But, I mean, this is just an unbelievable individual play from C-Mac, man. You think we sign him, Indy? No, no. He wants to go back to the championship game.

All right. Do you think if Josh Johnson stays healthy, they have any chance of winning that game? No, I don't. You think if Purdy stays healthy? Yeah, hell yeah. I think if Purdy stays healthy, it's a game. I still had the Eagles winning and covering, but I think it would have been

a much better game. Which way are you leaning for a Super Bowl? Oh, leaning? Right now, everything points to the Eagles. Eagles right now. Alright, AQ feels the same way. AQ feels the same way. A lot can change over the next week and a half, especially with us being there.

Ladies and gentlemen, another episode of Everything DB. Hey, baby, DB. Can't thank you enough. DB for all season, making us smarter and better. That was an incredible. Chuck listed a bunch of these questions, and I want to kind of run through them real quick. This is what people are getting. Chuck, that was awesome.

Or DB, that was awesome. Thank you all season for that. Honestly, thank you all season. It's been a cool outfit, too. No, no, no. You're good, Deebo. We've got to get him his desk. Somebody, somebody, somebody.

He's not on camera. Not yet? Yeah. Yeah, we can hear you. You see Deebo? He's a cool sweatshirt, too. Yeah. You see his pants?

They look like tuxedo pants. Yeah, I don't understand. They're sweats, but they're tuxes. Eastside Golf. Oh. What is Eastside Golf? Yeah, you're acting like that's known. Black on Golf.

Happy Black History Month, by the way. Second day of Black History Month. Happy Black History Month. Happy Black History Month. Eastside Golf. Sorry about that. What is that? That's Black on Golf?

Black on Golf brand. They make some dope stuff. They did the collab with Jordan as well. They got some dope on their logo. Pretty dope logo. It's on my wrist. Sorry, I did not mean to make this a whole. No, no, you're good.

Where's the camera? Here. Oh. Pretty sweet. Got the chain on, you know, so just, you know, making golf a little more hip. Great form, too, that left arm. Yeah. Completely locked out there, coming out of the pocket.

You're a golfer, right? Absolutely not. But Gertie, hey, Gertie's getting me in the lab, man. All right. Gertie's been working up there. He's still working, so I don't know how good he is, but. He's going to Q School. Feel better.

He's working, so I got to work with him. What's that? Feel better. Yeah, Gertie caught what I had there. He came in this morning, immediately sent him home. Immediately sent him. I gave him a fist bump. I'm like, Dirty, good to see you, man.

I miss you. He's like, oh, oh. He's like, all right. Are you doing that because of me or because of you? I feel a little. All right, get the fuck out of here. Need you to battle it, get through it. We've got to get to the Super Bowl next week. Should be fantastic. D-Butt, great work. Appreciate it. Can't wait to learn a little bit All right. Get the fuck out of here. Need you to battle it. Get through it. We got to get to the Super Bowl next week.

Should be fantastic. D-Butt, great work. Appreciate it. Can't wait to learn a little bit more about Eastside Golf. That's a great logo. Yes, sir. Super cool. Maybe you'll get good at golf, too.

I doubt it. It's a tough game. It is. It's a very tough game. Without putting the time in here, for sure. Yeah, you got to get reps in. Play PGA. It might help.

But PGA has helped, I think. AJ, you're $20 million in trouble with me playing pga uh yeah i i wasn't worried and then when i saw that you were doing that in the on the gaming console it did make me worry a little smart i think it's made me a better putter for sure you know what i mean like learning where to aim reading greens yeah it'll feel exactly like that whenever you get out there and you're playing a competitive real golf round it can't be any worse than it was last year at Tahoe. Honestly, the putting cannot be.

I stood over every putt thinking. It can always be worse, unfortunately. I don't think it could. Remember, I rolled that one. You played well. You played great. You made a bunch of birdie putts. I rolled a putt into the sand trap.

Okay, think about that. I rolled a putt from the green into the sand. Can't get worse. I putted into the water. I've putted into the water before. It's that fast. That's what I'm saying, though. Over every single putt, I thought to myself, well, there's no chance this is going in.

Can't have that be the thought every single time I putt. So it has to get better is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Birdie on 17 on Saturday. Hell yeah. It's a huge deal. Yeah. And if they had little captions on what was going through my head as I was putting that,

I think people would have been very surprised that that ball fell. So I was. I was pumped up about it. Went and chugged, I think it was a diesel. Oh, man. I think it was a warm diesel. It was something. They sent the, I got invited again.

Did you get invited? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We can, hopefully you commit, we hopefully get that Friday round going again. Are we wearing the same uniform? Oh, yeah. We did all have the same uniform. Yeah, why not?

Let's do it. Run it back. Hell, yeah. I like how he said Friday and not Thursday there, too. Yeah, Thursday I'm taking a fuck. Well, Friday's a real round. Thursday's the pro-am situation. It's not a real round.

Remember, I've been walking on this treadmill to get ready for that. Yeah. It'll carry over. It's not a real round. Remember, I've been walking on this treadmill to get ready for that. Yeah. It'll carry over. If you're playing in the Tahoe thing for the first time, you need to realize it is grueling. On the walking, your feet will get beat up, your hips are going to be fucked if you've

never done it before. We need to give more respect to the golfers that are able to walk their asses seven miles every fucking day and then hop back out there and do it again don't wear brand new jays golf shoes definitely not that's not the right play either i had blisters on the back and the bottom of my feet yeah before the tournament even started that happened that was for the charity round on thursday which i was told gotta walk it gotta get used to it everything like You don't. Take a card on that particular day as well.

But I'm gearing up for Tahoe to be the best me possible, and PGA 2K is helping me. Now, let's talk about NFL teams hiring head coaches. We've got a list of questions that Chuck put together here that are potentially asked in these head coaching interviews. Worth a listen to. Tell us a little bit about yourself. What got you to this point in your career?

Standard interview part, I think. That's standard stuff. What would you say is your leadership management philosophy how long does that one normally take that's a that's got to be a good 20 30 minute conversation right there yeah especially if you know they want to give theirs before like jim starts sharing a little bit of his what would he say no We don't need to get into that. No, that could go a while. A lot of these are pretty open-ended. What is your vision?

Yeah, about as open-ended as it gets. And if you don't give a thorough answer there, do they think you're kind of opting out and cheating it a little bit, potentially? How do you get people to work together and buy into one vision for the team? Once again, this is a full 10 to 15-minute answer that you probably have to give. Well, remember us. It was in the team room, right?

It's team, team, team, right? Team first, self second, serve others. We had our core values, but you share the vision. You said vision, right? You share your vision. You talk about your culture, what your identity is going to be and then you have to you have to rally you have to be able to inspire and motivate and bring an organization a locker room a football team whoever's left because they're taking over not you know teams that have done bad yeah you remember the locker room i stepped into right

yeah we're right 32 out of 32 that year. Would you keep the current staff? That's a question that Sean Payton's going through right now. D'Amico's going through. Coaching staff hire slash candidates if you were to hire new people. What does being a players coach mean to you? Oh, AJ, that's a big one there. Chuck, could you ever come back and be like, okay, that's a stupid question.

I'm not even going to answer it. Would they appreciate your honesty? I mean, if you really wanted that job, I don't think you would do that. Who's all in here? But you could give certainly, like you could reframe it to your point. I'm just wondering, how do you not sound like one of these, like an internet guru? How do you not sound like an internet person that tries to inspire people and be all cliche about it? Or do you need to sound like that?

Yeah. I hope not. So what you do is when they ask you a question, then you can go on a diatribe, if you will, or you could just share a lot of stuff and talk for a long time and try to cover as many of the questions and many of the bases you can as far as your vision, what your culture is going to be, your identity, your staff staff and just kind of go and hopefully answer a bunch of the things that they have so you may not have to you know answer a question that you may think is like you know where did you get where'd you come up where'd you come up with this thing who's all the who's all in the room normally

so usually like there's so much virtual now you see these people interviewing so many people that like the first week they're doing all these virtuals you know and so there's who knows who's on that one but when it comes down to it and the nitty-gritty and you're going to make a decision owner's going to be in there general manager for sure you know maybe a COO there might be somebody else within the organization it might be like a head trainer it might be like a like Brian Decker somebody uh anybody who's got a seat at the table table I don't think I know Brian he's like the mental guy over there at the Colts oh okay um so there there's got to be some people you might have a like if you have a guy like David you know a

player engagement guy just you want to you know put as many guys and eyes on this guy as you can. So when he leaves the building, what do you think? What do you think? What's your perception? What's your idea of this guy? So you can get as many, whether than just, you know, the guys that are going to make decisions are going to make decisions, but you'd like to get as much feedback as you can.

Do you think the players have to – sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, you should have frog to run this guy down. That's not a bad idea. That's equipment manager. Do you think the players have to Sorry, go ahead. Frog, run this guy down. That's not a bad idea. That's equipment manager. Do you think the players have to like you? Do you want them to like you? Oh, here we go. How do you gain respect of the players or the staff? How do you turn a losing attitude around? How do you

integrate tradition, D-Buck? How do you integrate tradition? That's a great question. That's an impossible thing to answer. Especially coming in as a new coach uh i don't know you got to educate him on the history and the tradition of this great franchise when i went to chicago with with matt naggy one of the first meetings when the players came back and the new players he integrated that's all he did was talk about george stanley hallis okay virginia hallis who's you know in the building so he he educated him to to aj's point of the history and rich tradition

and he made the guy it's like those those players aj brown i gotta learn the fights on for the eagles right he didn't know it but that's part of the deal if you really want them to you know live and breathe and die with that tradition, they got to learn stuff like that. Bill kind of did that with the players that you were currently playing with as rookies, I know, for coming in. Like, you had to know, like, fucking Matt Light, like, you know, who he is. That was a big thing for him. Not necessarily, you know, Steve Grogren or, you know, those guys.

You would learn about that being there. But that was from the first time you came into a meeting room, you'll have certain pictures of certain players around the room. You definitely need to know your teammates. So remember what Ted did? Monachino. Monachino, okay. Like when he came in, and it was mostly for the young players,

but he would highlight some of the players in the room, like Robert Mantis, and he would talk about what they've done, how long they've been there, all the numbers that he had, the type of teammate he was, type of player, and then show a highlight tape of him. And then he would do it just to build the tradition of the defense. I remember Ted Montaner. You know, Freeney, he did Freeney, he did Mathis, all the former greats. Gary Brackett.

Oh, Gary Brackett, GB. What a legend that guy was. Is there a key ingredient to a championship team besides talent? That's a great question. Player leadership, do you think it is natural or can it be developed? And how? That's a tough fucking. Do you just say situations or situational there, AJ?

I mean, how do you even? I would say that for a lot of these questions, you might say situations or situations. How about this, competitiveness. Do you think it's natural or do you think it can be developed i mean i don't fucking know you could go on for days for every one of these questions how do you motivate give examples all right how do you discipline give examples how do you handle benching a player especially when it's a high draft pick and can you do that i think is the follow-up right there

chuck yeah that's uh that's an interesting one it can be handled a lot of different ways and you can answer that one in a lot of different ways and you can try to give an example if you got an example of a guy that you worked with a former coach and this is how they did it and this is how i do it jeez how do you build confidence with your players if you praise in public do you criticize in public what do you look for in a player how do you handle crisis situations how do you handle first-time offenders? What does accountability mean to you? That's a good one. Hi, AJ. What does accountability mean? I want to ask Chuck, how did you prepare to go in and have one of these head coaching interviews? What do you do? You remember me talking about, you know, my preparation,

the time that I had to come here for this interview. We just got off that, you know, championship game, and it wasn't, you know, 15 hours later that pretty much on a plane going. I was scrambling to try to get a notebook together. Okay, what do you think I'm going to need? Well, they're going to want to know, okay, what's your yearly book, all right? So training camp, what's your training camp schedule? What's a practice, typical practice plan look like? You know, what are the preseason games going to be like? How are you going to play the players in the preseason? So it goes, so you try to go a calendar year and have a book set on all that

stuff. And then you talk about, be ready for, if it's a specific team, obviously, okay, where are they at? You know, where are we at with quarterback? We know Peyton Manning had the neck didn't play what what's the future look obviously we had luck it was was there in the draft so you have to know their roster you have to be able to talk about their roster the changes you'd make you know would you would you keep this guy would you get rid of this guy all these issues that these guys are coming into with especially the quarterback you better have answers you know for the big ones. When you're putting that plan together, do you reach out to, like, former head coaches you know? Or, like, is that just your agent helping you out with that?

Like, who helps you put that? You try to have a plan. Most of these guys now have an agent and have these books growing and guys that have been around. I basically just, like, Harbaugh got the Baltimore job. Yep. He brought, like, the Andy Reid book with him. How they practiced, when they practiced, who did what. So that book was together.

So I'm scrambling everything that he had, what I was familiar with, what I had done for the last four years. And so we just kind of, it's a copycat league. You just kind of bring those in there and say, this is how we're going to do it. And then when you have to adjust, you adjust. Did you have to have your coordinators and everything already like did they ask you that or because you're going in and ba and all of them are still there no some this was so quick they were just trying to get a get to know me and get a feel for who i was yeah and mostly that that type of thing but now you have to have an idea

when they bring you in there like when i interviewed at some other spots who's who's going to be oc yeah if you don't get him who's b who's plan b who's number c so you better be three four deep at each position especially at the coordinator spots discuss one of the best decisions you have ever made is that life or football married tina there you go what keeps you up at night here's a question what keeps you up at night are there any decisions you regret can also use as failure answer what is your weakness where can you improve well i work too hard yep yeah i care too much care too much work too hard that's obviously what it is uh what are the specific traits that make you qualified to be a head coach

feel like that matters uh what was your first thought when you heard you were being considered for the head coaching position? I was so excited, wasn't I? I was so excited, so pumped, thankful, honored. Humbled by the whole deal. What makes you the best candidate for this position? What makes you different or better than any other candidate for this position?

What a question. What a series of events. That could go on for 10, 12 hours, I guess. For multiple interviews and if you don't give a full answer they think you're copping out of it it's an interesting interesting game i got a question though chuck does chuck know of anyone like getting outside of the box and trying to really learn what a guy's like what if they said hey let's go play 18 holes and you play golf with the gm or who are some of the decision makers. Does that ever happen? So great story. Great. Cap, the old coach, quarterback that was head coach at Cal way back when, Joe Cap.

You guys remember this guy? Yeah. No. Sure. Yeah. You bet. Okay, so great, great competitor. War daddy.

Tough as hell. Played for the Vikings, I believe, if you look it up. Somebody help me with that. Joe Cap. So he's the head coach of the Cal Bears and a guy that I worked with John Goff at Boise State 1987-88 he was our DC he worked for Joe he went on an interview offensive line coach so he goes in there he sits down with Joe shakes his hand he's in his office he said hey blah blah blah they're in there two minutes and he says do you bring some gear he's's like, excuse me, coach?

He goes, do you bring some workout gear? He goes, yes, sir. He goes, go get dressed. Next thing they know, they were on a basketball court, and they were playing one-on-one. Yes. And it was all to figure out if this guy had toughness, was a competitor, what his grit was like.

That was that. This is what Sirianni would do if he had an opportunity. He should do. Love that. I think it's not a bad idea. Yes. I think that's not a bad idea. Yes. I think that's when you can really see if people respond. Are you just sitting down in this room and everybody's staring at you,

or how does it normally go? That's it. Just like this. Here I am. Kind of like a combine. I was going to say, the stories that are coming out of Cleveland about the guys who go and do their entire pre-draft thing. What's that?

I think it was Ben Watson, and there was one other guy, and they basically had one person basically sitting across the table from Chuck, if Chuck was the player, spotlight on this one dude, head coach, GM, owner, in a dark corner of the room, and they're asking this guy, like, have you ever done drugs before? Have you ever smoked dope before? And just to see what his reaction was.

Could you imagine? Yeah, I have. Thank you. You guys could just sit here. Yeah. Like, to your point, though, if you give, like, an honest answer, will they respect it or hate it? They should know the answer before they ask it, though.

I lie. Well, you heard the one where they went up and grabbed the guy's wrist, right? Yeah, see his pulse. You ever smoked dope? Yeah. And the guy started dropping, you know, as soon as they dropped their eyes, you know, no, I've never done that. Okay.

He goes, no, no, no, no. Pulled up. Give me your hand. Give me your wrist. I was reading a book on a plane trip over here. He was telling me about, you know, when you're lying, look me in the eye. Let me see your eyes. Pupils dilate and your heartbeat quickens.

He had them by the wrist. I'm nervous, Coach. Who was this, an owner, a coach, a GM? I don't know. That's what the story is. I don't know who was doing the interview and who was asking that question, but that's how they did it, old boy. That's amazing.

Unbelievable. Because to your point, AJ, which, like, I wonder if you were to tell him, like, what does accountability look like to you? It's like, what's the situation? What happened? Who went where? Who decided to do it? Did we draft this person?

How much money did we pay this person? Did we not know this person was potentially going to have this type of effect on the team whenever we got them? There's so many just realistic answers to all these things that I assume if you were to give those answers, you'd get kicked right out of the room. Is that what we assume? Are these all fake right answers you're giving for all these things?

Hey, look, these scouts go to these campuses, and they've been in there, and they've watched these guys from freshman, sophomore, so they know these guys. They know the red flag. You can waste the entire 15 minutes on something that is stupid as hell rather than figuring out, okay, what's this guy's football character and what's his football IQ? No, I agree.

But in the interview for the head coach, like, there's a lot of shit in here. Like, there are so many situations. Like, how do you handle? That's what they want to know, I guess. They want to know how would Chuck separate himself from other candidates. Like, yeah, I guess how you interpret the question and how you answer it that's what they're trying to figure out but if they're going 10 12 hours i'm not interviewing many people how do you turn how do you turn around a losing attitude it's like i don't know

here's one owner can i ask you this one yeah okay one owner asked potential head coach this he said okay first hundred hours on the job what are you going to do with them what is this like first hundred days of presidency i like that question uh i'm gonna hope that you would invest a little bit more more money in that locker room so we don't look like an amateur league uh that's what i would do in the first hour or two then i'm walking right down to the general manager's office and i'm saying we need this guy off this team we need this guy on this team we need this guy on this team that's an interesting thing 100 hours what's that four days yeah first four days well i'm probably gonna move into my office yeah right get my family out

here figure out where i'm living gotta get a little bit better water pressure i'm a big dumper so don't want to be the first things come to your mind okay like staff right you're gonna spend a lot of time like you talked about staffs, okay? Are they going to keep guys? So you've got to sit down and interview who's there. They're going to give you, if they give you the job, they're going to say, we'd really love you to talk to Coach A, B, C, and D. You don't have to keep them, but please talk to them.

You know, guys that are still there, they haven't let go. This guy's really good. We'd love you to, so you're going to spend time doing that. But really what it comes down to is like there's 53 60 whatever there is on the roster futures practice squad guys is this owner's opinion was the way I'd do it because there's a lot of ways to go about that like you were thinking is i'd spend the first 60 hours getting to know my teammate my players i'd try to spend an hour sharp in the ass with each each guy and start to build that relationship with the roster with the players when tom mcmahon got hired to be a special teams coach this was before it was announced publicly i had a nice text message from him and i had to google who the

fuck he was and he did he spent like his first four days probably just literally messaging me and I think Vinatieri just being like, hey, we're going to be on the same page, you and I. You and I are going to be on the same page. I think that's a smart play. That's the right answer, Chuck. But you think about like McDaniel, right, what they publicized when he got the Miami job, right? His first phone call once they hired him was to who? To who?

And started to build that relationship. That was only 30 minutes, though. I mean, there's still 99 hours. Yeah, it's weird. That's a lot of time. Are you going to sleep every night? Well, he had to put together that highlight tape for me. That took, what, seven hours?

A couple days. Was it 100 plays or whatever he said? 700, I thought, or something. Yeah, something crazy. He was probably vaping, smoking some doobies, you know, that kind of stuff. What was your take on that? Was he, really? Nah, we thought it was a marker.

Yeah, Sharpie. We thought it would be cool, though, if he was just fucking smoking pretty much on the sideline. I'd be a big fan of that play. A little deeper thinker, slow the game down a little bit. But I think it was a marker. I think he was just. It wasn't cold enough to where you had the natural steam coming out, right?

From the cold air? It was. So if you're ever going to maybe get away with it, it'd be a day in Buffalo. I like to imagine he did it. Hell yeah. Yeah, because I think he would be a guy that would do it. Exactly. They lost, what, the last eight games of the year? Something like that.

Their whole thing was like 3-0, 0-4. Or did they win the last one of the season? Seven of eight. They beat the Jets. I think they won. Sharpie. I think they started like Sharpie. He does hit the shit out of that team.

My last head coach in college, you remember how it used to be, right? Oh, yeah. He called the plays. Smoked six right on the side. Jim Raylons. Yes. We had a guy, our D coordinator, who I believe was one of the founders, literally one of the founding fathers of the Tampa 2,

was Jim, no, Coy, Larry. Larry Coyer. Larry Coyer. Pipe. Yes. I worked for Larry. Love Larry Coyer. He smoked a pipe? Inipe. Yes. I work for Larry. Love Larry Coyer. He smoked a pipe?

In the built? Like, you'd smell this motherfucker. It smelled so good. Pipe smelled amazing. This dude, in practice, like, just sneaking outside the wall. Like, we had the, obviously, the indoor facility. And he would just hold the door open, and he would smoke this pipe. And that thing was coming right into the indoor facility.

This is the middle of practice. I'm like, this guy's awesome. Yeah, there yeah there he is holy shit he's our defense coordinator east carolina bobby babbage who was at buffalo for a long time head coach north carolina state or north dakota state so his son is the coach up there db coach so he was smoking in the new facility ecu right head coach comes in steve logan larry you can't smoke in the building excuse me that's what happens he's like i'm gonna smoke in this building bub it's either me smoking or i'm out of here shut the door he smoked as much as he wanted yeah i think that's kind of he was like he was. You talk about a great bulk.

This was old school. Throwback, tough as frickin' nails. The way he walked was awesome. Everything about him. But I think he was one of the founding fathers of Tampa, too, right? You know Freddy Pugich? Is that accurate? Yeah.

Okay, good. That's all I remember. You know Freddy, right? I coached with him, Chuck, for my son's team last year. I coached with his son and Big Fred. So he was there at Ohio State. What? Larry was.

And so he comes to ECU, and the first thing he does, he puts us all in a van. So we're going to Ohio State and watch football with them, learn football. So we drive from Carolina, Greenville, North Carolina, up to Columbus. Get there. Get out of the car. Another thing, you brought your gear, right? He loved to play

racquetball. And me and Larry would go at it. Try to kill each other in the racquetball court. He said, Bo, we got murdered, too. So it was Special Teams Stock was his last name and Fred Pugach. First thing we did when we got there was no ball. Right to the racquetball court.

Doubles deal. Beat their ass and then we then we started that's what we're talking about oh that's awesome that's fantastic thank you for a little insight into it just like you've been giving us all year on the mind of a coach we can't thank you enough for this you can see how these meetings could go a long time long long, really. I mean, I... Chris Ballard, I feel for him right now. I am not supposed to be a... I'm not supposed to be a coach. It's not in my trait, in my DNA.

23andMe told me that, and also I've just learned that from watching coaches and what their schedule is and everything like that. I am not supposed to be one of those guys. It would be hard for me to take this serious with some of these questions that are those guys. It would be hard for me to take this serious with some of these questions that are being asked. It would be hard for me not to be like,

what the fuck does that even mean? Well, how do you, blah, blah, blah. It's like, what happened? I need about 10 other lead-ups to how we got to that point because who knows how that, and then I assume at that point, they'd start firing out situations well here's hypothetical here's hypothetical and then you just got to roll through those it's like

this is a long time a lot of conversation it's a multi multi i don't want to say million but it is this is a huge investment for teams who's going to be the head coach and a lot of teams have gotten it wrong how much 600 million 800 800 million million is being paid to coaches that have been fired in the NFL this year. Still being paid out. Matt Rule is trying to make it $805. I don't know if it's going to happen. I honestly don't know if it's going to happen with the way Tepper operates. But I do know, Chuck, we are thankful for you, pal.

Hell yeah. There we go. Appreciate it. We have some breaking news coming out of the city of Pittsburgh. The Heinz bottles are returning to Accresher Stadium. Accresher Stadium, formerly known as the Heinz Stadium, and it had been that way for a long time. Obviously, Heinz ketchup and the Heinz Factory was synonymous with the city of Pittsburgh,

not only because it's by far the superior ketchup on earth, but because it was also a massive sponsor to a lot of things around the city of Pittsburgh, not only for business ventures, but also philanthropy and giving back to the city. They've since moved out of Pittsburgh, and then they were no longer the sponsor for the stadium in which the Steelers played. We all wondered, as Yinzers, Hines even care about Pittsburgh anymore? Then they had the red zone. Now Rooney has announced that there will be a Hines gate in which you can walk through the Hines bottles

that have been absent for a year at Accresure. This is a win for the city of Pittsburgh. Tony Dix, your thoughts on the Heinz bottles making their return? Does this mean that maybe next year get back to the playoffs? Yeah, I think that's exactly what it means. And I had, you know, some ill will towards Heinz. Me too. After what happened.

But I've learned to accept what happened and accept kind of what happens in the business world but you know i mean there's still a lot of heinz they're still they're still the ppg building they still have the heinz museum and the heinz lofts and stuff like that so there will always be a place you know at accresure stadium for the heinz bottles because it's still the heinz red zone and still the heinz gate and i think i'm we're gonna let bygones be bygones and and because i mean it is a superior product with 57 different flavors. And the other options are just horrible, like absolutely fucking horrible. That's probably why the Colts are so terrible, to be honest.

Was it Rogol? Oh, Red Gold and Stadium. So bad. That does seem a little generic. Think about whenever you get one of those little tiny little packets of ketchup that has half a you know and then you see it's red gold too so it's not only is it just a little it's also shitty flavor yeah it's like all right so i gotta work through this thing this is big for the other side of this to not be good and then i got to do this what 50 more times at least to get this to anywhere amount that i would like and then you try it it's like this tastes like shit but it is

ketchup i guess yeah shout out to heinz bottles making their return home is this going to scare that I would like. And then you try it and it's like, this tastes like shit. But it is ketchup, I guess. Shout out to Heinz Bottles making their return home. Is this going to scare other teams, you think, going into Accresure yet again, A.J. Hawk? I would imagine guys would be shaking in their boots if they see those Heinz Bottles back. But also, where did they store these things for the year? Those are giant.

I think they're down there at the museum. Yeah. Down there at the museum. Down there at the Andy Warhol museum. That one looks like it's hanging itself from outside the

stadium. It does. Is everything okay with this Heinz bottle? Is it alright? Somebody check in on this thing and we will certainly keep an eye on the situation. Congrats to Heinz getting back in there. Huge one. Huge.

Absolutely huge. Could you imagine? Wasn't it always still Heinz Field at Akershire Stadium? No, that would have been a sweet idea, though. Like the Heinz zone, I thought. Akershire actually said, are they going to pay this amount of money? No. Didn't think so.

Get them the fuck out of the stadium. We saw it at KC last week. What is it? Geha Field at... G-E-H-A... Yeah, correct. I forget the promo that Chris Jones cut. What do they do?

I don't know. It's just G-E-H-A Field, though. I don't know if it even stands for anything, because that's what Nance kept saying. Oh, so I thought it was the name of the company. I didn't know it was an acronym. I don't think it's an acronym. G-E-H-A. The only reason I know is Frank it was an acronym. I don't think it's an acronym. G-E-H-A.

The only reason I know is Frank Clark or Chris Jones said it in the interview afterwards. It's an insurance company. Yeah, I would assume. Just like Accra sure is. As good as Accra is. Paycor is what? Paycor is with Cincinnati. Paycor is a bottom tier time management and HR company.

Time management? What company. Time management? What do they do? Like when you punch a time clock and stuff like that, clock in, clock out. ADP is the vastly superior company to PayCore. Did you used to work for ADP? Six years. How much shit did you talk on PayCore? Didn't have to.

Oh, everybody knew. Didn't have to. Hines and Red Bull. have to oh everybody knew didn't have to when you when you pace uh what is it six out of every or one out of every six employees in the country you don't have to talk about adp yeah it's because you're hard work they ever thank you they did many many times all right before we get out of here chuck we need you to go ahead and win something for the people yeah jarius was able to win 15 people $500 earlier because he threw a dart into the middle hole of that net right over there.

Chuck, what are you thinking about doing this particular time, pal? Net, hoop. How many shots do I got? Well, that says four, but you can throw the rugby ball and also. Fire those things into one of the holes. Just need one. Five and there's one. The vortex. You got like six. Throw the vortex. Just need one. Five and there's one. The vortex.

Throw the vortex. What do you want to do? A couple at each. We should probably move Jabba out of the way just in case. He's trying. Look at Jabba, by the way. Hey, great season. Good job, Jabba.

Happy Jabba. Great season, Jabba. Stick to that. Done a great job. Use it a lot. All right, Chuck, what are you going for? Hoop. All right, the hoop, which is the most difficult shot in the gym.

By far. In the entire Thunderdome. Chuck says that don't matter. What does adversity mean to me, you ask? Adversity means battling through leukemia in one season. Right. Battling a broken fucking back. Right.

Battling through whatever you need. Choosing the hardest shot to get 15 people. $500. Who retweet this video. Say something nice to somebody. And put their cash tag in the same reply so we can pay you officially on Cash App. Bonus ball. Bonus ball.

Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Get that close to the pin. Grab it. Alright, step in Jabba's house. Ladies and gentlemen, that close to the pin grab it all right step in java's house ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the program here chuck pagano will attempt to win 15 people five oh good ball there's a chance 15 people win five oh there's a chance 15 people win 100 oh man keep it going on the hoop you're right there There's a chance 15 people win. Ha! Hunter. Oh, man.

Keep it going on the hoop. You're right there. Ladies and gentlemen, if Chuck Pagano can make this shot for the first time, last time, 500. Ah. Garbage can. Garbage can. Yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano. Yeah, there we go. There we go. Coach P's keys. Oh, bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball. That was an accurate pass. Get that air, man. That was right.

Right between the numbers. That was a hell of a threat of Barry. Oh, no, bonus ball, bonus ball. Bonus ball, bonus ball. Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball. Might as well grab all. Murder ball, mother of all. I can't finish like this.

Hey, Bill, how about that ball? How about that ball, Bill? Hey, Bill, you're close. Bill, you're close. Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball. Here you go, Chuck. Billy picks. Billy tosses.

Nice one-handed grab. I thought I was going to have to catch that. Old man says, I got it. Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano can make this throw into the trash can. 15 people. Yay! $500. Retweet this video.

Say something nice to somebody and put your cash in. Yes. In the same reply so we can pay you officially Big shout out to Chuck Pagano Darius J. Butler Ian Rappaport AJ Hawk And the boys

We'll be back tomorrow For a feel good Friday Be a friend Tell a friend Something nice Goodbye Way to go Chuck Yeah