The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 856 - Chargers GM Tom Telesco, & Daniel Jeremiah IN STUDIO, & Coach Chuck Pagano

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

On today’s show, Pat and the boys chat about all the different NFL news that they didn’t get to yesterday including Carson Wentz officially being released by the Commanders and all the drama surrounding Dan Snyder and him potentially refusing to sell the Commanders. Joining the progrum is the GM of the LA Chargers, Tom Telesco, to chat about the draft process, what his week is like at the combine, the tough loss in the playoffs last year, where the Chargers go from here, and more (42:07-1:14:22). Later, former scout, and lead NFL Network Draft analyst, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to chat all things draft, what he likes from the QB’s, what the deepest position is in this year’s draft, who he really likes this year, and more (1:14:24-1:54:44). Later, former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, our coach, Chuck Pagano, joins the show to chat about the competition committee, what kind discussions they’re having, and his thoughts on Bryce Young and what he thinks coaches are thinking when it comes to his size as an NFL QB (1:54:46-2:17:04). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’re off tomorrow, we’ll see you guys on Thursday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome back to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Up to Something Tuesday, February 28, 2023. This show starts now. Tuesday! Oh, boys. Now, it sounds like you weren't on the same page. No, we knew. So, if you were saying one thing, one of you were saying something else. But nonetheless, we can't thank you enough for joining us on this glorious, beautiful second day back from vacation. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your afternoon, mornings, evenings, wherever the hell you're watching, whatever your time says.

We thank you for allowing us to be a part of your day. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. You boys look fantastic. Connor, we learned yesterday that you shit your pants last week as a 27-year-old. And Ty, you have a brand new cap on what the fuck's going on pal you know we got this uh yesterday i saw this i said oh my god is that a brand new gamma pickleball hat sure is i i will be buried in this thing i will never take it off it is the most comfortable hat i've ever worn and uh god damn i love this thing i will be buried in i will be you're really committed to gamma we

will say um we have gotten and this is part of the perks of uh being just dumb asses that have created a platform here sure as soon as we chatted about pickleball the pickleball community was incredibly hospitable they were they're on it here at the thunderdome we have this is no lie this is not we have no partnership with anybody now granted ty it seems like has pledges i'm a game athlete but i will listen i will listen we have no business association with any of these people they sent us like 25 000 worth of shit that is literally just one of the boxes there was 10 boxes that showed up we are currently unpacking them all we got pat rack paddle all those paddles we got paddles we got rackets we got gear we got shirts

we got hats we got pants we got shoes we got glasses we got everything we can't thank the pickleball community enough for being as kind as they have been. Now, there's numerous companies that have sent us shit. Ty has Gamma. I'm a Gamma athlete. I got my Gamma 412 paddle with a nice longer stem. It is beautiful. At Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer.

Cowboys Tone. We have not seen you play any pickleball in the Thunderdome at all with any of these paddles, pal. Well, I mean, all due respect to you guys, that's a Mickey Mouse net. There's no lines. There's no kitchen. You make do with what you have, Tony. There is a kitchen. There is a kitchen. A player of my abilities.

Connor, will you please go out there? Here is how this game works here at the Thunderdome. Yesterday we started the show talking about Connor shitting his pants last week. We could not have expected that being a convent. Then Ty followed up with shitting in the shower. We did not expect that. We did not know that we were going to go through Thunderdome pickleball. But here it is.

We got a half a net. So you got to make do with what you have. That is the kitchen up there from the top of the... That is not the kitchen. That is not that is not so you do not know the rules from the top of the arc there uh to the net and then the other side top of the arc to the net yeah you've been playing the wrong the whole time probably why you haven't won a game in here then obviously the sides of the paint are the insides and you're gonna say well there's no lines up to the net you're right it's a gentleman You're right. It's a gentleman's game. It is. It's a gentleman's game. Your eyes will deceive you.

And then the back line is the top of the whatever that is, the paint that you can't take a charge in. Yes. And that's also where you serve from. Correct. So that is currently Thunderdome Pickleball. It is our iteration of it. And I will say, ball's a little quicker off of this wood than it is off of a sport court.

Played five games yesterday. I think as soon as we got back from the Super Bowl, we're playing like 10 games a day in here. We have the pickleball bug. I'm happy it has survived through vacation because normally things do not last. If we don't do it for 10 days, it's done. It is over with.

Pickleball has survived mostly because of the $20,000 worth of equipment that has been sent to us. Thank you, pickleball community, for being awesome. Thank you, Pickleball. And thank you to the Pickleball community for creating a sport that's fucking awesome. It is a great time. Now, it's going to be a little bit more expensive as CFO Phil is in the building

because I've seen a video on the internet while I was on vacation of this glow-in-the-dark Pickleball court. What? Shout out to that being in the Thunderdome. As soon as we can get the specs and the construction figured out, that is going to be in here we're going to press a button light's going to go down welcome to the thunderdome and then it's going to be neon lights black lights and it is going to be fantastic uh we have fallen in love with the sport ty has fallen in love with the merch i have i have i mean look at this hat look at this thing

you know you look at that you say that guy pickleball. He is a Gamma pickleball athlete, and I am. You know, the only thing I don't have is a contract with Gamma. Is a contract with Gamma, and I would like, you know, kind of like a racket bag. I saw a couple people grabbed them. You know, I said, I don't need that. But then I went into my locker. I saw my paddle sitting in there. I said, you know what?

That would look a lot better if it was in a racket bag. Hanging up. Exactly. Because you got a Lambo. Right. That you're just parking outside without even the cover up. Exactly. Yeah, that's what you're feeling like. That's right. Bruce Brown is a solid pickleball player.

He is. There's just a basic-ass, wooden-ass pickleball racket. Is that what he chose? Yeah, but he's good with it. And I remember playing ping pong with just the wood, the wooden paddle. It's a good look. It was not only,

well, look does not matter just, just for future reference. And I just learned a lot about you. I think we all did right there. Cause look good, feel good, feel good, play good,

play good, pay good, pay good, live good, live good, die good. Shout out to prime and Dion Sanders. And speaking of looking good while you're playing,

I mean, this guy looked like the fucking PC pickleball principal. He looked unbelievable, but the wooden one, there's no dud you're playing, I mean, this guy looked like the fucking PC pickleball principal. He did. He looked unbelievable. But the wooden one, there's no dud spots. No. The whole, you know what I mean, the whole thing. It's big. Yes, it is huge.

Bruce, you enjoyed the all-wooden paddle and the sunglasses that made you absolutely faster and quicker on the court yesterday. Yeah. First of all, I'm a Franklin athlete with that paddle right there. That's Franklin pickleball. I love it. No frills, no fuss, yeah. Yeah, first of all, I'm a Franklin athlete with that paddle right there. That's Franklin Pickleball. I love it. No frills, no fuss, no gamma this, gamma that. Just straight to the point. All action, baby.

And the shades are crucial. We're staring at blue light all day. We got these bright lights up in the gym. Oh, yeah. In the thunderdome, we got lights on. I got contacts in, so the lights are actually necessary. But, yeah, that paddle's amazing. That'll be my weapon of choice moving forward.

It has a – he has, like, a wristband for his paddle. That is a bit of a con. Yeah, that's not – well, you don't have to wear it. You know, that's one of those things. I hit him with a nice ha-ha, and then that thing wrapped around his – so I had to wait to serve for him to unwrap the whole thing. It was a classic moment, classic pickleball. And we would like to say shout out to pickleball as a whole.

We have really fallen in love here. Absolutely. I think we're building a sport court outside. Probably have to. This is fucking Bruce working on that back end. Wimbledon. And it was tough to play against him looking the way he was. Oh, yeah.

How'd it go? Was it a close game or what ended up happening? Sounds like you know. No, I actually don't. Oh, you don't? I was not watching when the pickleball was going down, so I am curious. It was 11-0, but I was just kind of feeling it. Yeah, Indian sunglasses on.

What was the score? It was 11-0. My serve was really, really solid right now. Singles is tough. Yeah. It really is. And the big win for Gamma, though. If a Franklin athlete is losing 11-0, did you lose 11-0?

No, no, no, no. He beat me. We do best of three, game to 11. Ty actually beat me yesterday. Lean in Gamma, then, if that's the case. I don't know. I got the black ace, but I wasn't able to use that yesterday. They just titled it the best paddle.

I don't know which one it is over there. It's sitting over there. It's Gamma, though? I think you had the polymer core. Listen, unless you're playing with the Jewel of Ben Johns, okay, which he's the number one ranked player in the world. Listen, everybody knows. Jewel?

Yeah, Jewel. Where's he from? There's a guy named Bob McGinn. He's no Ben Johns, okay? It's not Bob McGinn. He has instincts on how everybody feels in the NFL because of how long he's covered it. This is the one I used yesterday. This is USA Pickleball approved, obviously.

Wow. It just says the best paddle. I don't know. I used it yesterday. I like that. It's a little thinner than the black. Tyson McDuffin. There it is.

That's the guy. Tyson McDuffin's the guy. He's kind of shredded in and has really cool hair. Nice. Is that him? That's him, yeah. Tyson McDuffin's the guy. He's kind of shredded in and has really cool hair. Nice. Is that him? That's him, yeah. Really cool hair. Oh, shit.

Tatted too? Yeah, I've seen him. I respect that. McGuff? Yeah, I've been scouting the pickleball community. He's playing with the Selkirk, though. Yeah, that one has a hole at the bottom of it. He's got a Skechers.

We got one of those, actually. He's a Skechers athlete. He's a Skechers guy. Yeah, I respect. Anyways, did not expect the first 11 minutes here to be all pickleball, but whenever you wear that type of hat, it's hard not to have a conversation. So the pickleball community just won because they sent all that shit over. Yeah, that's the right play.

In our business, we're not supposed to do any of that because our business relies upon sponsorships, advertisements, partners, and things like that. But when you just get introduced to a sport, and then the sport just sends literally the kitchen sink to you to be like, hey, we appreciate your service here for the sport. We can't help but be thankful. Thank you, Pickleball.

Thank you, Pickleball. Love you, Pickleball. I would like to let McGuff know, though, that I'm not 100% sure Thunderdome Pickleball is in his wheelhouse. It's a whole different game. There's a lot of gentlemen's calls. Oh, yeah. There's a couple replays of points because wasn't it rough?

Yeah, pretty close. And then the net isn't as wide as the court. So, like, if it goes on the side where the net isn't, did it go up? It went over, I think. It looked a little low. Like you said, gentlemen's game, and we've been abiding by it. Just know that Thunderdome will be transforming into a pickleball arena in a matter of hopefully weeks.

Who knows? Construction is not easy. We've figured that out through the Thunderdome process, but we already have the blueprint. It was on the internet. So just make this. This is all we need you to do, and we're going to have a good time. Yeah, professional teams now, too.

This is almost like an Australian football field, but we can actually play it. We can look at these pro teams, maybe decipher up, see who's rooting for who. I think you were Collinwood, the Magpies. Well, that's because Coxilla. Of course. The only American to ever truly have success in the Aussie Rules Football League.

And he's still dominant, by the way. Oh, yeah. Six-foot-seven, former Oklahoma State basketball player, goes over to Australia, learns their sport, becomes a dog, and then happens to play for Collingwood. So that was the team that I went with because I'm an American, and that's the only American that's ever done well over there. I was kind of shying towards that Southern team, though,

because Bailey Smith with his mullet, he's like a little phenom. Bulldogs. But we got into that for a little bit. Impossible to watch. It's on at like 3 a.m. Right. And also, to play the sport, it's really, you got to have a lot of space and everything like that.

Yes, exactly. We try. And tiring. Very tiring. And all that. Physical. Pickleball. Tiring.

Great workout. Easy to play. Very easy. That's right. We literally just, look at this piece of shit net we put out here. Yeah. And boom, we're playing pickleball. Every day after the show.

Boom. We're kind of addicted to it, aren't we? I'd say so. So much fun. I'd say so. It is a lot of fun. And it really is. Like, Bruce, I know, even if he got beat 11-0, he's getting right back in there because

he honestly, he feels like, okay, well, you know, I made a couple mistakes here and there. I can win this next one. Yeah, it is a sport that you feel as if a couple things go different there, I can win every game. Right. And we don't do the half to serve to score. No. That's old school.

Volleyball used to do that. They changed it because it's stupid. A point happening every single time the ball is flying. That's right. In Thunderdome pickleball. Exactly. Not in actual pickleball. Pickleball is versatile.

I believe I saw a tweet. They're thinking about changing it to rally score. Well, they should. Of course. Because every other sport that comes from this style of thing said that. So everything needs to count. You know what I mean? Everything needs to matter.

And also, let's speed it up. Let's do a baseball thing. We're very new to pickleball, and we're already telling them what they need to do, and this is going to continue to happen. We'd love to have pickleball expert or players sitting right here where Rapidport sat yesterday, where Tom Telesco, general manager of the Chargers,

will be sitting today, where Daniel Jeremiah moved the six sticks will be sitting today. Yes, go. Would love to have a member of the pickleball community stop by. Speaking of Tom Telesco, Daniel Jeremiah, a lot cooking in the NFL. A lot happening around this commanders team. Carson Wentz has officially been fired from the Washington commanders after just one year, after getting traded from the Indianapolis Colts to the Washington Commanders.

Obviously, we can all remember what happened when he was in Indy after getting traded from the Eagles to Indianapolis. It just didn't work out. Jim Irsay was not on board for a large majority of it. His contract was big. He had great plays. He had, what are we doing? Are we playing football in the NFL or are we playing in the xfl or high school football

and then they trade them to the philadelphia or to the washington commanders full contract gets traded yep 30 million 25 million whatever was left gets traded everybody applauded chris ballard for being able to get that contract and everybody asked the washington commanders are you going to be the place that carson wentz finds his way again. Once an MVP type player, then a couple hits, an injury takes place, Nick Foles goes on to win the Super Bowl. Was he mentally fucked? Was he broken? Was he ever going to be able to play great football again? Maybe the Washington

Commanders are going to be able to be the place because he had scary Terry McLaurin and a place that needed a new face and a new kind of rebirth. That was not the case. That did not take place. Taylor Heineke continued to be the dog for the commanders and win games. And when Carson got put back in whenever he was healthy again, he played maybe his worst football of all time. Ron Rivera wanted to meet up with him

in person here in Indianapolis because Carson still lives here in the house that he built, I believe, whenever he became an Indianapolis Colt. Wasn't able to meet up with him because schedules told him yesterday that he had been fired.'s big news obviously more big news coming Dan Snyder the owner of the Washington Commanders allegedly is not allowing Jeff Bezos to put in a bid to buy the Washington Commanders out of spite after what the Washington Post did with all the exposes of the Washington Commanders the other NFL owners said Dan come the fuck on which made all of us believe maybe Dan was just pump faking on the sale to get the heat off of him a little bit because everybody wanted him to sell, which would be a Dan Snyder move if he was to do the case. That turns out to just be a very small part of the whole thing. Now there's potential bank fraud

allegations coming to Dan Snyder for taking a $55 million loan out unannounced to the rest of the partners of the Washington Commanders, which is illegal, I guess, because the bank asked if he did get permission from his partners. He said yes. They said, cool, moved on. He charged $4.5 million to the Washington Commanders to have the Washington Commanders logo on his plane for marketing. He was utilizing the... This is all reported. He was utilizing the Washington Commanders as a piggy bank. They were saying, just making shit up to go grab money out of the accounts and put it into his pocket. Now he was the owner of the team. And when you own something normally that is your piggy bank, but I guess the way he was going about doing it was uncouth, not by the rules and illegal. He has asked the rest

of the owners, if he was to sell the team, if he could be indemnified, I believe, for future problems that could arise from his rule-breaking, law-breaking moves as owner of the Commanders. That's where the Commanders are right now. So just like we thought that the Commanders couldn't get any lower after the first expose that came out about the Commanders, they have somehow found their way into more shit, deeper shit. And if you're a Commanders fan, you've got to be thinking, get us past all of this shit, and let's just move a commanders fans you got to be thinking get us past all of this shit and let's just move on i'm excited to see how it works out i'm excited to see what happens with commanders and it seems like they are nowhere near the end of their issues

and i do not envy at all a commander fan's life in those other three owners that dan snyder that they're alleging he took those 55 million out in out in loans to do those things, and he misled the stockholders or shareholders, and that was the whole reason this is. This is per ESPN. Per ESPN, yeah. And if he's saying, hey, the other owners in the NFL right now, they can't come after me. Are those other owners telling the former owners of the Commanders,

Ms. Snyder, like, hey, we can't do anything? It's kind of up to you three because if we are going to get this guy out, then we're going to have to sign some sort of agreement where. Yeah, it seems like it's going to get ugly. And we tried to understand what it all meant whenever it came to the $55 million loan that he got out that wasn't approved by the minority owners of the Washington Commanders, which he lied to Bank of America, allegedly. Then there's obviously funds that have been moved around.

And we all know about the ticketing situation that was being alleged last year or a year or two ago. It's just like I think the NFL, the quicker Dan Snyder is out of the league, the better for everybody. And at this point, it's all coming to a head almost. Is this going to be the thing that finally pushes him out of the league, Ty? I don't know because it seems like the previous time we talked about this, when he was talking about selling the team, it kind

of seemed like, hey, we are at the head here. He's going to have to sell, and then we kind of said, yeah, but this guy is allegedly kind of a cockroach, and you just can't kill him. It doesn't matter what sticks to him. He just keeps coming back and coming back and coming back, and look at the situation we're in.

It's like, you know, we thought it was going to be a slam dunk. Hey, Bezos wants to buy the team. He's the richest guy in the world. Yeah, exactly. He will buy the team. And Dan Snyder just says, you know, nope, fuck it. I hate this guy. I don't want him to buy the team.

And now he can't buy the team. Like, it seems like everyone wants him to sell the team, but deep down, like, he still holds all the cards, which I didn't think was the case. Like, it's still. I guess if you're the owner. Yeah, it's his decision, you do own the leverage. Yeah, exactly.

John Uron of Sports Business Journal, I believe him and Marshawn do a podcast that has great information. We started out on the rocks with these guys. Yeah, a little bit. We started out on the rocks with these guys. Should have maybe sued them for defamation. They were saying some negative stuff about us. Should have thought, now that we know how the world works.

But big fan of the reporting that both Uron and Marshawn do, and the Sports Business Journal. He puts out a tweet that just says, allegations against Dan Snyder, financial misconduct, bank fraud, misuse of team funds, abuse of corporate bylaws, self-dealing, disregard of contractual and fiduciary duties, and sexual misconduct. So you see all that and you think to yourself, well, Dan Snyder's got to be out. Get him out.

That ain't how Dan Snyder rolls. He's got out. That does not mean nothing. And Dan Snyder will hold on to this thing just out of spite to say fuck everybody. It's allegedly and reportedly and optically how Dan Snyder operates. What a shit show in Washington, Tom. So, like, it's not good for the league. The league doesn't want him in there anymore, I assume. The other owners, if it's not good for the league, they're not going to love him anymore.

So what is stopping them from voting him out? Is it because he knows all the world bodies are buried so allegedly there was a party where he jerry craft and pagula pagula of the buffalo bills were in there and that was a write-off for the company because it was a meeting of the minds and you would think if he's partying with those people and then jerry has been on the record a couple different times saying a couple different things. And I think somebody reported that Dan Snyder has stuff.

This is not us making this up. This has been reported. Dan Snyder, either a high-level executive at Washington or somebody that knows Dan well, says he has stuff on everybody. And it's like, we've asked this a couple different times through the Dan Snyder saga over the last couple of years. They can vote an owner out. If Dan Snyder has not lived up to the point of being voted out, what do you have to do to get voted out?

Because you're always going to have owners. And this is how I think a lot of people think who are strong-willed people, self-made people, and successful people. Don't want to set a precedent. Yeah, exactly. If you vote Dan Snyder out, there's a lot of people in there saying like, oh, so are you guys going to vote me out? If I happen to have a situation where allegations are made, are you guys going to vote me out? I don't want to be voted out. So you never want to kind of get down that lane. But at what point do they finally say, bro, you're hurting our league much more than you're helping it.

At that point, they're like, sure, yeah, if you do 37 different things, allegedly, yeah, you'll probably get voted out too. Just don't do that many things. Yeah, but that's not how it works. And like, I'd assume a lot of these bazillion, I mean, we're going through a lawsuit right now that we don't understand.

I assume a lot of these bazillionaires that own teams have been like, yeah, of course, if you do 37 things, but what happens if somebody gets a little bit excited and then they rally five people and then all of a sudden I'm getting voted out for something didn't... I assume there's a lot of paranoia, too, potentially around

a lot of that type of situation, but we as a member of the press. That's right. That's how I'm being described. Journalist. Self-proclaimed disruptor.

There it is. Shout out to USA Today. Pretty good. I don't know how much that thing costs, but they've been added to the list of. Yeah. Yeah. They're right on there. Yeah.

Self-proclaimed disruptor. But we, as a member of the press that covers the NFL heavily. Every day. One of the larger NFL shows, I think, on Earth right now. Lucky to be here. Thankful to be here. It's because of all the fucking people that watch. We are very thankful. We do not understand how Dan Sider is still an owner in the NFL. No.

We also don't understand how a human would want to deal with all this shit every single day and not just take fucking $7 billion, $8 billion, and just kind of disappear and go live your life. But we're not talking about normal humans, owners of the NFL, and we're not talking about a normal human and Dan Snyder at all. Yeah, and like what you just said with the $7 billion and what Ty said earlier, if he does get offered $7 billion and that's the price he puts it at it's not that far out of thinking like oh okay i can get seven billion i'm changing the number actually i'm not selling it for seven billion when you own it this

isn't like an ebay auction where you just put it up there and if the reserves met it's got to go this isn't like um what was that car auction up meekum this isn't like meekum where it just goes out there if it hits reserve you have to sell it. This is like Dan Snyder. Never mind. Oh, easy to get seven, huh? Nine. Make that thing nine billion all of a sudden. The growth. I just saw the new deals.

He can do that. He can torment that. He has to love the fact that he is able to just kind of puppeteer this whole situation in. I think he does enjoy being the topic of conversation everywhere, no matter what is being said about him. For sure, and no matter what people say, like, allegedly,

he can be hated, and he still controls everything, you know what I mean? Like, how else do you really flex, like, hey, look how fucking powerful I am. Like, they've done everything they can to get rid of me and i'm still the one who's taking the richest guy in the world and saying hey your money's not

good enough i'm not gonna sell even the biggest of scumbags have three to four friends yeah right around them yeah of course think about dan and his crew just are you kidding me with what they're trying to do to me you know like there's people We don't think it's a lot of people. But there is certainly. Has to have an inner circle. There's certainly a couple people that are on his side telling him, yeah. Keep going. Dig in.

Keep going. Put those heels in. I can't believe they're doing this to you. And then as soon as $7 billion gets mentioned, his friend. $7 billion. It was easy to get as soon as you said $7 billion. Why don't we say $10 billion? Go up to $10 billion. Let's say $10 billion. to 10 you say 10 billion and dance like yeah you're fucking right and these are the only people that have ever been nice to dan snyder in the last what five ten years probably so he's

like yeah this is his crew somewhere somebody has a support system no matter who the person is you you read about these like mass serial killers that are in jail they have people that write them every single day oh yeah like love them like that bundy that are obsessed what's that bundy had like a fan group he had a following yeah but even like the non-famous ones like the horrible people have a support system he wasn't on that yacht alone exactly there's people party there he's right now he's probably on a plane he is not alone there's people around him time something like, oh, did you hear what they said about you? Oh, fuck those people. Yeah, fuck those people.

Don't ever kill me. It's just kind of like a reigniting almost of what does AJ always say? Every time you persecute somebody, it only makes their belief stronger. Like some people, when you persecute them, it only makes their belief even stronger. Yeah, it makes them feel like they're even more right whenever the more people come at you. It's like, yeah, I feel like Dan Snyder certainly has that trait inside of his soul. Well, and to your point about like,

that has to be why they haven't gotten rid of him because it is the precedent. Because like you said, they don't want it to just be like, oh, you know, like a couple owners get pissed at one guy and then they start drumming all this up. And it's like, you know what? Fuck this guy. Like, if we dig hard enough and into his past deep enough,

like they're billionaires like they you know they've pissed off people exactly they have stepped on somebody probably for sure they have fucked somebody over probably this is all just like that's the way what we know about business and how people get to some you can find pissed off people somewhere in everybody's past exactly that's probably why these other owners are scared to death to be like are we really going to expose all of us to that now for sure that but it also makes no sense like he in terms of the owners at least i don't think he has anyone in his corner you know it's like i feel like they you know and and that's i guess where it comes back to it is does he have dirt on these

people where they wouldn't want to do it but it's like you know once you start again we've said this time and time again like once you start fucking with their money that's when it's like okay all bets are off like how about it was like uh he was running a malpractice or what's the word um i forget the word what's it called malcontent no uh we'll just say inept, the way he ran his business completely fucked. He offended women. He sexualized this. He harassed this. He had this going on. He did this. And then when it came out, he stole some money maybe from the other.

Oh! Oh! Oh! Like, yeah, exactly. That's when they fucking started raising a stink. Now, you don't do that. The other stuff is terrible. You don't do that either. That's disgusting.

We can look the other way. We'll take some classes. We'll make sure that doesn't happen anymore. We'll put more new leadership in here. Dan, you're not coming to meetings. Your wife is coming to meetings now. Okay, we're doing it. Did you steal money from us?

You did, didn't you? I didn't do it. What do you mean? Dan, Dan, Dan. No. No. Dan, did you harass a bunch of people? I didn't know it of you. Dan, Dan, Dan. No. No. Dan, did you harass a bunch of people? I didn't know it was at the time.

It was just how we did it. He's joking. I apologize. I'm sorry. Did you fuck over the local counter? I didn't mean to. Did you steal money? No, no, no, no.

I didn't. You remember that Notre Dame Navy game, Dan? Remember when you said there was no people at that game and it took you the money well i didn't do you did dan maybe i did you son of a fucking that is really what we thought would take place yeah that was not what took place though so i guess we should give a little bit more credit to the other nfl owners but everybody assumed that that was going to be whenever they removed Dan Snyder. They have not yet. Interesting story.

They don't have a quarterback now. Nope. They don't have a team owner, maybe. They haven't fucked up since. Congrats to the Commanders. Yeah, shout out. Commanders just grab a shovel, it seems like. That's right.

No, they got Sam Howell now. Oh, yeah, and he's a dog. He said that Sam Howell is worthy of being seen if he's a dude or not. Eric Biennium, new offense coordinator over there. He hit a grand slam in his opening press conference. Crushed it. What are you saying? He hit a grand slam in his opening press conference. They got their

guy. Was that the first time we've ever heard Eric Biennium speak? Yes. That was the first time I've heard him speak. Me too. Was that the first time a lot of people have heard him speak? Not a lot of people. Some people in Colorado have heard him speak before, but I do know... Because he was coach over there, right? Yeah. But for sure, as far as NFL goes, I do believe that was the first time we heard him.

Per Colorado. Per. Per Colorado. But that was our first time listening to him speak. Yes. And he was talking about Shady. And I. Thought he hit a bomb.

I'm not. Of course. Just like us. All right, let's run it. Let's run it and see what everybody else. I feel like it drips of insincerity. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like he is putting on, I think he's trying to bite his tongue. But also, this is his first press conference at a new place with a new conversation.

Shady McCoy, who was obviously a part of the Kansas City Chiefs for one year, won a Super Bowl with them, did not play, came out on Speak, I believe, on Fox Sports, alongside Acho and Joy Taylor. Great show, and LeSean is wide open on a microphone. He is great on a microphone. He basically said, what the fuck does Eric Bannamy do? He said, I was there for a year.

Aside from just motherfucking people, he really didn't do anything. Now, other people have come out and said, what the fuck does Eric Biennemi do? He said, I was there for a year. Aside from just motherfucking people, he really didn't do anything. Now, other people have come out and said, like, that's not exactly true for our situation, my situation, and everything like that. But LeSean McCoy gave his take. So Eric Biennemi was asked about it in his opening press conference with the Washington Commanders, and this is how he answered it. LeSean McCoy is a future Hall of Fame runner, okay? Everybody's entitled to their own position, to their own comments and how they feel. When it's all said and done with, I think that's all I have to say because he's entitled to his own opinion. That's life. Okay.

You got good and you have bad, you know, it does not impact me in any way. Because one thing that you learn when you're in this position, you have to learn to eliminate distractions. All right. My job is to focus on the now. Everything outside these walls has no impact on Eric Bien-Ami moving forward. Appreciate it, Cody. Thank you. All right.

So, like, obviously the right thing to say there. But, like, the fake smile at the end. For me, it just felt like behind his face, he wanted to say like, fuck that. LeSean McCoy did nothing for us. Like, you know, so I almost took it as like, maybe the reason why he hasn't been able to get a gig at some places is because when he's speaking this, my first time ever hearing him speak, I'm like, oh, he wants to say something else, but that might just be how he speaks. So I think maybe we should kind of give him a little bit more opportunity to talk.

But after listening to him speak one time, I was like, I could see how people would be like, oh, it doesn't seem like he's saying what he really wants to say. If you listen to any player talk about a good coach or any coaches talk about it, it's like, you got to be yourself. You got to be authentic. You got to do your thing. Felt like he didn't say what he wanted to say but it's also his press conference so he had to say what he had to say there just an interesting dynamic and situation around the entire eric b enemy situation don't love that he had to go to the washington commanders to take the same role pretty much i think he's also assistant head coach so he got a little bit of a promotion in title to potentially become a head coach like other people have been in the kansas city chiefss organization. Andy Reid has obviously been calling the plays and designing the plays

and doing everything like that, and they've been able to get a head coaching gig. And Eric Biennium has been there for a long time. They've had a lot of success. So I'm not saying that I don't think it's – I think it's bullshit that he has not gotten an opportunity to showcase if he could be a head coach and he has to go to the commanders to do this. But that answer right there made me believe as I was listening to it, it was like, oh, I don't think he's being real.

It didn't feel like he was being real. But I'm not a fucking body language expert or a speaking expert. But it was interesting to hear him speak for the first time. No, yeah, it was the same thing. And you're right. I mean, it's his opening press conference. He has to say. Yeah, he's not going to go there.

Could you imagine if he goes, well, Sean McCoy's a fucking bitch, dog. You don't know. Sean McCoy. Yeah, I mean, that would be kind of sweet if he goes, Sean McCoy's a fucking bitch, dog. You don't know. That would be kind of sweet if he did that. But you're right. Same deal. I'm not a facial expert or anything like that. But you look at it and it does look like he's almost gritting his teeth when he's saying what he is saying.

And it's like, oh, you can tell. This is all bullshit. He doesn't mean any of this. he wants to fucking tear this guy down but on the same you know that might be how he speaks though exactly we don't know him that might be how he speaks but watching him say that in listening to the way he was saying it it's like and the smile at the end was like oh man he yeah he's he he is screaming fuck that guy but he can't say but then you're also right it's like you know he going and he's going to call plays now, and he's got the offense, but he's also doing it basically with a rookie quarterback.

Is he even in the commander's organization? Exactly. He's set up to fail. He really is. I guess he'll really prove if they go out and their offense looks great this year, he probably will get a head coaching job after this year. Definitely. Not just probably.

Because he's got rings. If the command – could you imagine BNME goes over there? In that division. Sam Howe. Yeah, you got the Eagles just sitting there staring. Three playoff teams. Are the Giants going to – are they going to have a quarterback? Yeah.

I don't know. Rapport said that said that yeah that 45 was a bunch of baloney yeah it seemed like rap thought they were gonna deal done right yeah and a lot of our a lot of our program is trying to read how people are saying things and why they're saying the way it said whenever we mentioned the 45 million with daniel jones he said that number will probably start with a four so probably like 40 million a year is what he was thinking but he he said that like pretty matter of fact like giants and jones are going to get a deal done and that was a that was big for me that was news hey bruce you're a big giants fan whenever you heard

rap say that that was good news right and that was big news too because it sounded like the way he was being painted about him asking for 45 million was an attempt to get giants fans over daniel jones and move on to the next one when Rapp says that deal will probably start with a four he almost said that as like a matter of fact that the Giants and Jones are going to get a deal done is that how you took that thing what he said um yeah for sure also when he's kind of switching from CAA to I think athletes first like you don't know if the CAA guys are kind of you know trying to bury him yeah we couldn't get a deal done because Daniel wants yeah Daniel wants 45 uh you know I Trying to bury him? Yeah, yeah. We couldn't get a deal done because Daniel wants this. Yeah, Daniel wants 45.

You know, I think there are a lot of Giants fans that probably think 40 is probably still a lot for Danny Dimes, but you know, I just envision you tag either him or Saquon, right? And I think we'll get a deal done with both of them. I'm kind of trying to block out the noise.

You're like, have the enemy. Yeah, just kind of hope and pray. Yeah, that's right. All this noise. Outside of the building. Yeah, just kind of hope and pray that it gets better. That was interesting to hear how he... Referring to himself in a third person. Eric Biannimi does not care. That's kind of weird. It was sick.

No, I thought it was sweet. As soon as I heard him, I was out on him the entire time. And then he said, Eric Biannimi does not... I was like, okay, I'm back in. I'm back in on Eric BNME whenever he said that. Well, and that's the biggest difference between like the press conference we talked about yesterday with pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, shots, shots, explosives. Like that's Gannon. Like you know that's him.

He's not just doing that. That wasn't a press conference, though. That was a conversation. Just him talking. In the hallway, social media person picking it up. But even with BNME, we got that where he was one person with one of his own linemen, and then Leno Jr., who maybe he's had a friendship with before, acted completely different. He knew him his entire life.

He's like a Key and Peele skit. I'm talking about the Key and Peele skit, because that's exactly what happened. And I believe underneath that clip of him that was posted probably got 1.5, 1.8 million views. But that's kind of the authenticity difference. Like, Gannon is Gannon. And because of that, I'm kind of leaning more towards him. And maybe, sure, he gave up 38 points in the Super Bowl and then got a head coaching job just like Matt Patricia.

Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. You know, he is a very good Travis Kelsey. They have weapons all over the place. And Andy Reid, again, is the guy at the helm over there. But if that's how my head coach is going to act, and he's going to be like that the entire time, and I feel like we just kind of saw this with Sirianni.

Yeah, if you are this consistent guy, even though you're talking about the flowers and manure, if you're always the flowers and manure guy, your team is going to buy in and play for you. And if that's what Gannon's going to do, then it feels as though they're going to have a lot more success than Bien-Ami, who's going to talk about himself in the third person, because if the commanders go out there and lose 35-0, I would assume the team meeting would be something

like, look, Eric Bien-Ami did his job, okay? I don't know what Sam Howell... Allegedly. Allegedly. But I enjoyed him, so when he's talking to White Cuz... Yes, other white linemen. And he goes, I can't wait to get the buck. He goes, okay, sounds good.

And then. Well, boy. Boom. Full on. If he's like that all the time, let's go. Yeah, sure. Like, I'm like, here we go. Also, to the other whites on the commanders, when you approach the enemy, we're coming big depth.

Yeah, we're coming big depth. We're not doing it. All right, let's try to break through there. Let's do that entire thing. You've got to read the situation. But that's what I heard. And I am a stooge. I am an idiot.

Pretty solid people reader, I think people would say, who have been around me for a long time. Pretty good at getting a quick, huh? Okay. Love hate. Let's move on. I think we should question this person. Been something that I've had been wrong before. Not saying I'm always right.

When I, that was my first time hearing him speak. I was like, that feels like he's holding something back. That feels like that. Isn't the actual Eric B enemy. When Eric B enemy said Eric Bium, I was like, okay. So there is a little bit in there. We wish him nothing but the best. I hope the commanders have massive success.

We do not understand why he has not been given a head coaching job. But when I watched that, I thought to myself, that might be why people have some second guesses. Because who is he? How is he going to be? What's he going to be? He has the opportunity to really prove himself in an organization that is the most dysfunctional in the history of the NFL at this exact moment. Bill's defensive coordinator, Leslie Frazier, is taking a year off from coaching out of nowhere. Yeah, it is February 28th. New league year starts March 15th.

I do believe this is kind of an awkward time for somebody to step away. We hope everything is good in Leslie Frazier's family, in Leslie Frazier's life, in everything that's going on. But him just out of nowhere on a Tuesday of Combine Week, stepping back was alarming, surprising, and not good in my eyes for the Bills, especially for a Bills defense that has been fantastic. You talk about Poyer, who's a free agent, defensive coordinator now stepping away. There's a lot of question marks about this Buffalo Bills team

that was a wagon, is a wagon, and is supposed to be a wagon for the next five years. Did this come out of nowhere? Was I not paying attention? What the fuck happened here? It definitely came out of nowhere because if they knew it, you would assume that Leslie Frazier, who loves the Bills, said that he'd be back next year, would give them a little bit of heads up,

especially after all these DCs have kind of been plucked already. And Tremaine Edmonds, another guy that's – Yeah, so Vic Fangio, Vance Joseph. Raheem Morris, right? Raheem Morris, D'Amico Rines, obviously. He gets the head coach job. Flores just got a job at Minnesota. He's at Minnesota.

Yeah, this is kind of after the coaching cycle. Yeah. Before new league. It's an interesting time. That's why we hope everything's okay. Exactly. Like, we hope everything's okay at the Leslie Frazier family. And, like, free agents, too.

Like, if you're a free agent and you are on the defensive side, you want to know who your guy is, this does set up for a fantastic Rex Ryan reunion in Buffalo because he just interviewed for the D.C. in Denver. You don't think with McDermott it might not work I think he interviewed with Denver because he knew that there was a chance they could pay the paycheck would have been and Peyton yeah in time like I don't I we I don't want to speak for Rex no Rex has been very happy on TV because I think the paycheck is very solid

yeah he's incredible on TV and the stresses are much lower yeah i think he said on our show i think that he would go back he would think about going back to be a head coach right but they would have to put him on the head coaching list again and they wouldn't he was never on that he pissed somebody off it seemed like he pissed somebody off he's not was not on the head coaching list so he said i'm not going back to be a coordinator because, I mean, why would I go take the paycheck that coordinators are paid when I can do what I do on TV? He said, I think that's how it all went down. I might be wrong.

Fact check me. But I think that is how he kind of explained it all. The Broncos, though, with the richest owner in the game, I think he was potentially thinking like, and Sean Payton was maybe pitching like, hey, we're playing in a different clubhouse over here. Like there's coordinators getting paid maybe other places. They want to win here after what they experienced last year in their first year as owners. They would like to bring in a steady hand, somebody that knows what the fuck they're doing. And also, a little bit of pub isn't a bad thing for the Denver Broncos in a positive way.

And Rex Ryan certainly brings that. So I don't think Rex Ryan is just taking any coordinator job. Sure. I think it was only a specific coordinator job because of the situation. Once again, I'm not speaking for him. We have not asked him, but I think that was the case. But if he was to go back to Buffalo, Rex Ryan back in the NFL would be amazing for us. Yeah.

Certainly for us and the NFL as a whole. Where's Rob at? Is he in Vegas? Rob Ryan, great question. at? Is he in Vegas? Rob Ryan, great question. I think he is in Vegas. He watches the show. Hey, Rob, where the fuck are you at right now?

Yeah, what the hell? Was he at the St. No, that was a long time ago. Yeah, he was. I think it was Mitt who said, hey, my dad said that Rob watches the show. Yeah. So he's in Vegas. Yeah, Mitt's dad runs too. In Vegas, yep. Currently still in Vegas?

According to Wikipedia. D.C. or linebackers? What is he? Senior assistant. Love that gig. That's a great position. Somebody just took another one of those. Somebody just signed up for a senior assistant role.

Patricia's getting one. There it is. Yeah, for the Denver Broncos. For the Broncos, yeah. Bill's losing all of his right-hand men, huh? Oh, yeah, he's definitely losing Patricia, yeah. What happened with Matt Patricia, you think? What kind of aligns with this whole decision?

Yeah, unfortunately, his Detroit Lions head coaching contract is now up after this year. So this comes the time where he will actually have to get paid real money from the Patriots. And unfortunately, you just don't pay a guy who led you to the worst offense they've had in the last 25 years. Yeah, I mean, he's defensive. He's going to be a defense consultant, one of the greatest defense coordinators of all time. Put him in offense coordinator, obviously, when you don't have to pay him. Bill really running quite a racket up there.

Oh, yeah. All right, so we don't have to pay this guy, and we can just put him in offense coordinator. Sweet. He wasn't the only one. Judge is doing it right now for New England. Yeah, because he's got the Giants deal. Yeah, getting paid pennies.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us live in studio is a man who's the reason why I got drafted to the Indianapolis Colts. I'm thankful for that. I'm lucky for that. He is now the general manager of the Los Angeles Chargers. Ladies and gentlemen, Tom Telesco. Yeah!

Welcome to the Thunderdome. I don't think your microphone was on just yet but we are very thankful that you are here how about it bro huh it's unbelievable i'll just say this for me i mean i lived here so i kind of know the area well i have not been out this far before i thought we were halfway to fort wayne on the drive out i mean we appreciate you making the trip up here we had to get out of the city mostly because we all live here now and we're old and when we were downtown we went through, we went through some stuff. After COVID,

we went through some stuff. It's coming back though. Roads are getting worse, but it's coming back. And whenever you see a space like this that's available that you can flip into something like this, you've got to do it. You can understand. Not as cool as being a general manager. How's life? Combine Week's a big week for you, right?

Yeah, it's a busy week. Just a lot of meetings, a lot just a lot of meetings a lot of things going on a lot of multitasking between the draft for agency our own players so just trying to get everything done as efficiently as possible this week which is hard here there's a lot of stuff going on but uh yeah it's a good week of football so we're certainly not supposed to tell you that they told us that you were in a meeting with goodell before you got here what happens in that meeting what what does what are the meetings that take place around the NFL? First of all, there was like 100 other people in this meeting. Oh, oh, oh.

So what? Okay, so they didn't tell us it was Goodell. They said a very important meeting with somebody very important. So we just got it. Ha, ha, ha. Gotcha. No, no, no. What are some of the meetings that take place?

Are you guys talking about rules and like next year or anything like that? Does anything substantial take place here? Yeah, so there's some discussions about just some rule changes um you know we had talked about like the the quarterback sneak rule and talked about that talking about roughing the path peter king is not happy about the tush bush so a lot of discussions will start here the competition committee will start that um just get the discussions going get different viewpoints different opinions and then as you get into march, they'll start to kind of fine-tune that. Will it go to vote?

Will it not? That's just two of the things we talked about today. What is your stance on the tush-push? You know, I mean, to me, it's been a part of the game. The quarterback's thing's been part of the game. Now, before we couldn't, I don't know, 10 years ago, you couldn't push the quarterback. Yeah, because Reggie, right, the whole,

that was a big conversation on whether or not. I don't mind the way it is now. What I do worry about from an offensive line perspective is, you know, quarterback. Yeah, because Reggie, right? That was a big conversation on whether or not he can I don't mind the way it is now. What I do worry about from an offensive line perspective is, you know, you're in a tight stance, you're down, your head's down, you're firing off the ball. So, and I understand that will happen in goal line plays, but if we have this five, six, seven times a game, I have a little bit of question there, but as far as the actual play, like it's part of football. It's a high percentage play for the offense um so i guess we'll kind of see where it goes yeah and remember the field goal rules changed because

they didn't want 600 pounds of people pushing exactly right it was 2d tackles are lined up right over the shoulders of the long snapper and then you had two linebackers right behind sometimes two linebackers on one guy so you you had a 330-pound tackle lined up on the shoulder pad or the head of the long snapper, then two linebackers pushing. So you have like 250, 253, like 800 pounds being pushed through there, and they deemed it unsafe for obvious reasons. This is kind of the same argument, right? Also, how football works is as teams start to do that more,

there's strategy off that. Now you can run some sweeps, some fly sweeps, some misdirection off that. It may look like 1940s football at some point in the short yardage, which is actually, if you watch it, it's pretty interesting as far as how they hide the ball and misdirection. But I guess we'll kind of see where it comes out

as we get into March. Do you have actual say? General managers have actual vote or is it held by somebody? Like the competition committee have all the say and who are they? We just give our thoughts and opinions uh down the road there'll be a vote of all the teams in march if it goes to vote um you know at the owners meeting that's so fascinating because the rules are changing right i mean there has been some substantial changes in the game as of like the last five ten years uh are we gonna see more of that you think or no it's a little different each year i think a lot of the changes have been more for health and safety.

I think we've gotten a lot better there. That's really been most of the rule changes lately, but it kind of varies year to year. Oh, the sling and slam thing. Yeah. Are you guys talking about that or no? Yeah, we watched the most today. I mean, a lot of them did not look that bad to me.

Yeah, to us either. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't even know until today that was a thing, the sling and the slam. Well, it happened against Tom Brady, the Falcons. That was the big one. Jarrett comes through.

I assume you watched that one. Yes, we did. Yeah, that was the one you watched. That was when it became a big conversation because that was fourth quarter. One of the games. Yeah, game-winning drive, the whole thing. So that became the talking point, I think. Yeah, I think if it's in one motion, it should not be a foul,

and I don't think it will be. And I don't think quarterbacks want it. Now, in the moment, Tom definitely wanted it because he gave them first down, and there was a time where Taylor Heineineke celebrated oh yeah i hit her things like that but if you talk to them afterwards like aaron has been very open about like i don't want these calls and tom has even said i don't want these calls either trying to make the right thing to keep people safe keep the integrity of the game while also keeping people off the ass of the nfl let's move on away from all the future of the nfl let's talk about the current of the nfl

and your team. I told you, like, as soon as you walked in here, I said, I'm going to have to ask. I was watching a horror film for you in that playoff game. Obviously, making it to the playoffs is awesome for this Chargers team. It's great. Herbert's first taste of NFL football. A lot of success. A lot of great football by you guys for two quarters.

Then, obviously, the Jacksonville Jaguars do what they got to do. As you're watching that game, are you just melting down in the press box, or how's that whole thing unfold for you? We can talk about the first half if you want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great football. Hey, biggest stage showed up. Hey, played great. Played great.

Guys got moxie. They can work it, yeah. You know, just based on how we played in the first half, even though the second half wasn't going our way through the third quarter, I still had on my mind, we've just got to make one play on offensive defense on a third down, and we're going to be fine. The end score may not look pretty.

It may be a lot closer than it should, but we'll still be fine. I felt like that way all the way to the final draft. I wasn't in that panic mode of what's happening. I was like, hey, we've just got to make one more play. It's a playoff game. We're playing a really good team. This happens. But on offense, we couldn't convert third down.

And then on defense, we couldn't get a third down stop the whole second half. Yeah, you got to get off the field. I mean, it's just basic football. Yeah, and usually when you have a lead like that, the only way you'll lose is if you have turnovers. We had no turnovers in the second half, but we didn't extend any drives on offense, didn't run the ball real well when we had to run it. And then defensively, we just couldn't get a stop, and that's kind of how it went.

So I know you have a ping pong table in your office, and amongst other things, you enjoy living your life while doing your general manager position. Do you take positives away that you guys took the next step? Like when you're playing ping pong, are you like, we did make the playoffs? We were up, what, 27? 27-0. 27 or whatever. Like, is that how you view that? Or is it just like so demoralizing the way it ended? And you can't really think about the positivity. At least in my job, you have to flip past the demoralizing into, okay, how do we get ready for next year? And it can't be just looking at one game and say, all right, this is what happened

in this game. How are we fixing it? You have to look at the whole season. Now, typically, in the playoffs, whatever your weaknesses are, they get magnified in the playoffs. We saw that. There were points in the game where we had to run the ball when they knew we were going to run the ball, and we just didn't get that done. Our third down defense, third long defense through the course of the year wasn't probably where it needed to be. It shows up in the playoff game. Those are things we'll look at. That's something you see that we don't see. Try not to be, shows up in a playoff game. So those are things we'll look at. That's something you see that we don't see. But try not to look at, hey, look, this is how we played in the second half of one game,

and that's how we're going to try and kind of fix this moving forward. But, yeah, the demoralizing part, that's the plane ride home the next couple days, and you've got to flip and get ready. What did you see from your head coach this year that you didn't see maybe in his first year head coaching? I think with anything else, because I know when I was a first-time GM and then the second year, like the second year, you know what's coming. You can anticipate what's going on. Like my first year, I'm moving on the fly. He has great time management skills because you're talking about a head coach that also calls the defense.

Hey, he did change. Hey, he changes. You know, like first year, the only conversation was, oh, Brandon Staley, this guy's fucking up fourth down again because it didn't work or it did work. And it was like, Brandon Staley, this guy's fucking up fourth down again because it didn't work or it did work. And it was like, Brandon Staley, stats guy's going crazy. It feels like he took that all in and adjusted a little bit. I enjoyed watching that from Coach Staley. Yeah, I mean, he takes in the information that he has

on a really play-by-play basis and makes decisions off that. That's all what those analytics are is just trying to help us make really good, solid decisions. You're talking about a head coach in really all sports, but you're making split-second decisions. You're on the field in real time. So having that data helps you make those decisions. But just seeing him maneuver through this season, we had our ups,

we had our downs, which almost every team does. But we had a tough stretch in the middle of the season. We pulled out of it, and we won four or five straight at the end of the year to get in the playoffs and just didn't quite take it far enough after that. Well, it had two great quarters in of the year to get in the playoffs. And, you know, just didn't quite take it far enough after that. Well, I had two great quarters. Oh, yeah. Win the playoffs. Best team in the league.

Took pride in that, I assume, that your boys showed up in the big stage there in the first half whenever they show up. Like, okay, the stage wasn't too big for our quarterback. The stage wasn't too big for our coach. Like, we came out and did our thing. I think that is certainly a silver lining in that whole thing. I think so. You know, coming off week 18 to go into the first week of the playoffs, we're on the road,

cross country, Saturday game. Our guys are ready to go into the first week of the playoffs, we're on the road, cross-country, Saturday game. Our guys are ready to play. Coaching staff had those guys ready. We played really strong. You know the Colts gave up a 33-0 lead. So you can kind of put that on the wall if you like to, a place you used to work as the worst in the history of the game. This season was wild.

Did you get a feeling about that or no? It was tough to predict what was going to take place every single week. Some teams were, like, incredibly hot. Then it got ice cold. Like you guys said, you had a middle stretch there where you kind of got – why is that? Do you think this year was different football than any other year?

I don't think so. I mean, you know, Philly kind of ran, you know, from beginning to end. But everybody else usually has their different, you know, ups and downs. Like, even the year the Rams won the Super Bowl, they had a – you know, beginning of the year they didn't start real strong, and then they finished strong and then played well in the playoffs. Just like the Bucs the year before. I think that's just kind of normal. That's what makes our league so great. You don't just have a couple teams that are out in front of everybody else.

Everyone has their ups and downs, but that makes it competitive. How do GMs feel? How do owners feel if one team just goes out and gives a guy a fully guaranteed quarterback contract of like the most money of all time? And you have a quarterback that is on a rookie contract who is certainly going to be due somewhere in Los Angeles. I think that's what turns. Is that what you meant?

Right along those lines, yeah. He frames the question very nicely. Certainly, certainly. Yeah, certainly. It doesn't have effect on everybody. Like, you know, we'll do what we have to do. I know in our situation with our quarterback, we're pretty confident we're going to get in a place

that he really likes what the contract is. We'll be in a place that we can still build a competitive team, a championship team. Those both can be true. I just think, you know, when I look back, you know, when you were playing, you know, Peyton's last contract was a big team. Those both can be true. I just think, when I look back, when you were playing, Peyton's last contract was a big contract. And actually I have a three ring binder, blue binder at my office that says Peyton Manning on the side. It's been sitting there for,

since I took the Jar Jar's GM job. But I have all my notes in there as far as what Chris Pullen and Bill Pullen did with that contract. It was a huge contract. And then how we're going to build the team having all of this money on the books. The only thing that's different then is the rookie wage scale was different then as it is now. It's a little easier now. More money goes to veterans, a little bit less to the rookies. So we'll have it easier. But there's no doubt you can get to a place where you can have a veteran quarterback who makes a lot of money because they should, but still build a championship team around it. And that we're just going to build a team differently, but you can do that. My home's deal. Like, is that what it's going to be like? You think long-term we'll see what the structure looks like, but, but we'll, we'll be

able to get that done. And we're just going to build the team appropriately around that. Are you in the middle of doing that already? Cause what we're coming up on it. What year is this for? Yeah. Yeah. So you, yeah, I, you know, from our end, you know, after his rookie year after his rookie year when we saw what we had your minds are already moving to okay when will this take place what it's going to look like how we're going to build the team so i kind of never never oh so you already have like dry erase board on what it could look and then 230 million dollars guaranteed comes you son of a bitch cross that off all right i guess we're gonna do this because it is it's you guys it's cincinnati yep it's bal's Baltimore that are the first ones affected from that deal. When that takes place, is there like a memo sent or a conversation that happens?

Or does that not affect you? Because you said it affects everybody differently. It affects everyone differently. I mean, we'll look. If a contract gets done before ours, we'll look at it and see what aspects we like and we don't like. The agents will look at it and see what they like, what they don't like. In the end, we'll get to the right spot. I'm not losing sleep over it i was losing sleep over having you know we had philip rivers the philip rivers era but i knew like this isn't

going to last forever so unless we have the next quarterback there'll be somebody else in this seat you'll be talking to so that's where you lose some sleep who is you know who's this next guy you know so we found the next guy. We found a franchise quarterback. Paying him is, you know, I'm not losing sleep over that. Herbert for this past season was awesome. He was awesome to watch. He was incredible to watch. I feel like he developed leadership maybe from watching outside.

Felt like he looked like a lot more of a leader. Is that an accurate depiction or no? I think it's just natural growth and maturity. My first year, or my last year at the Colts when Andrew Luck was there, I mean, he was a young player. And even though he was probably our best player, he wasn't a leader yet, I don't think. Felt uncomfortable. I think he felt like uncomfortable because you're this young guy. You walk in the locker room, you have teammates that are maybe older, married, and they have kids. Vinatieri was in the locker room. He watched Vinatieri kick it for the Amsterdam Admirals as a child. Vinatieri's in the locker room. He watched Vinatieri kick it for the Amsterdam Admirals as a child.

Vinatieri's in the locker room. Then he comes in as a rookie, and Vinatieri's like, hey, you're a leader now. That's a tough spot for the youngster. It's an underrated aspect, but I think as Justin gets older and he matures a little bit, just naturally, he's a natural leader. He's not going to be the loudest voice in the room, but you don't have to lead to be the loudest voice in the room.

But I did see that, too. I saw that kind of come along, which is tough dude what do you have a skeleton underneath his lungs cartilage was underneath his ribs yeah yeah just that's like second week of the season or something kansas city first third dog huh he is the dog quietly yeah i met his dad out at oregon when we did game day i got a chance to chat with his dad because he was kicking field goals in training camp do you see that Did you tell him to stop? This year? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, I did see that. Yeah. Bombing balls, like 45-yard field goals. I think he was just like stroking through, no problem at all. I asked his dad. His dad told me like, oh, we're a football family, and a massive part of football is kicking field goals. They used to play in their like living room with uprights on the walls. Like they love football.

Like he is a football so this this makes sense because uh his rookie year where we're going through covid and we're going through all these different emergency things that could happen and you know we don't have a backup kicker backup punter backup long snapper all the time so at the time we're like all right if we need a backup punter what position player could do it so we asked a couple guys you know to kind of try out. And Justin said, you know, I punted in high school. So I got a ball, and I simulated the snap this way. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. Hey, that's a real deal. Yeah, that's a real deal, spinning everything. So he shanks the first one. And I'm like, all right. He's like, no, give me another one. He gets another one. He hits it like 42 yards with like four or five hang times. Turnovers?

Yep, yep. And then did it again, did it again. We're like, all right, that's it. We know you can do it. So he's a natural athlete. That's amazing to hear. The dude's for the brand. He's an absolute dog.

But then when I chatted with his dad, it makes sense. Like literally grew up like respecting football. Like this is what football is. His dad, very firm, handsome. His dad is a handsome gentleman. I'm like, I love this guy even more. Gets to the playoffs. I'm happy he took that next step i think we're all excited to see what the ceiling is for herbert which we're nowhere near connor has a question for you yeah tom obviously you're one of the best

gems and you know the nfl and because of that you've put together a team that's unbelievable and you got good guys and studs all over the place which kind of sucks because now you got to figure out how to pay all these guys do Do you have GMs, especially this weekend, kind of coming up to you every day like, hey, Tom, how about, you know, can I check in on Akeen and Allen? To where? To New England, sure. Yeah, the first thing I said to you, hey, stop being an asshole and trade Akeen and Allen to New England because that would be the right thing

to do personally. But, hey, Khalil Mack, you've got all these studs. Is Howie Roseman you know calling you day and night or there are a couple teams that really are just kind of peppering you checking in every day uh not too much but this is the time usually when we're in Indianapolis where teams will look at other teams rosters and kind of see where there may be some areas where you would talk yeah so those those discussions go on here not those specific ones you just mentioned okay but those type of discussions they definitely happen here because we're ones you just mentioned. Okay. But those type of discussions, yeah, they definitely happen here.

Because we're all in the same location. We all cross each other's paths every day. So those two go on. Derek Carr flew out here. And this is not about your team, obviously. You don't need this. He has meetings with like four different teams out here. Is that normal for Indianapolis?

Is that kind of what combine experience is? Is that normal? You know, typically there's not a player available. Because they're usually available after March 15th. So the fact that he's actually available now is just different. So, yeah, this is a little bit new, but, you know, pretty convenient for him. A lot of planning before you get here about who you want to talk to, how you want to talk to, or as it kind of develops through the week here, you figure it out?

There's a lot of planning. We'll talk, like our college scouts are kind of planning on what players we want to talk to with our formal interviews, with our informal interviews, and in the end we'll talk talk to with our formal interviews, with our informal interviews. In the end, we'll talk with everybody, but you only get so many formal interviews. We'll talk to agents about our own players. Those will go on here. But, yeah, there is a plan that goes into it because you only have so many. It's a tight time frame this week and a lot of work to get done.

Ty, I have a question for you, Tom. Yeah, Tom, last year, kind of to Connor's point, we were talking about how good your team is on paper, and you said you hate that term because ultimately it doesn't mean shit. The team that plays out there is the team that matters. But how hard is it, especially after you make the playoffs, how difficult is it being honest with yourself saying, hey, these are really the areas we need to improve?

We're obviously very good. We made it to the playoffs. But how difficult is that conversation with yourself like, okay, this is really the area we need to improve on i mean that's that's a great question because you really got to be honest about where you are with your football team not just me but everybody else involved um i think it's important for us when the season ends we take a step back you know kind of reevaluate where we are and then get together and just discuss and talk about things doing it in season is so hard um because you're kind of you know looking at each week individually but sit back after the season discuss it with the right people and um you just from our standpoint

you're really never looking at the positives you're always looking at what you what can you get fixed what can you make improvements on that's all we ever talk about we never really sit around saying well we got keenan allen he's a heck of. No, we're trying to figure out what else we need to get done. You're always looking at the negatives more than the positives, unfortunately. You said third down defense. What's that? We need a nickel. What are we looking at?

It's a combination of players, development, coaching, the whole thing. If it was just adding one player, that would be easy. Spent a lot of money last offseason, right? Made some plays. Khalil comes in.

JC. JC Jackson. JC comes in. Who else? You guys spent some – my boss is getting paid. Kyle Vannoy. Vannoy came in. You guys made a lot of moves.

Gerald Everett. Hey, he started – he told us – well, I think somebody else told us, and then we had to ask him about – oh, I think, yeah, it was your commentator crew. They just ratted you out immediately. Immediately I asked them, I was like, what's going on with Kyle Vannoy? They're like, it feels like he's taking more of a leadership role, like feels a little bit more comfortable. And then we asked him, and he was like, yeah, he got to a point,

just like you were talking about with Herbert and Luck, he got a little bit more comfortable, I think, being a little bit more of a leader in a brand-new locker room. He was obviously, are you going to be active in free agency? That's not something that was normally your MO. Yeah. I mean, we, we cannot be as active this year as last year, just based on, you know, the space that we have. So we won't be as active. We'll still look to add where we can add, but won't be anything like last year.

But if we can ask, like, you know, we signed Kyle after the draft last year and he was tremendous. I mean, we knew he was a great leader, but we really saw his play in November, December, just went like this. His leadership, being around, more comfortable with the guys, he was tremendous. We signed Bryce Callahan late in the process.

Bryce had a great year for us. That may be more the market we're in this year, but we'll see how it plays out. Does Eckler just have a touchdown incentive? Dude just scores. All he does is just score. That might have been the most sure bet of the year. Eckler, anytime touchdown. And then two touchdowns

was pretty much like every game. He's remarkable, that dude. He really is, and he does it all. He does all the things as far as pass protection that nobody really talks about because you can't really quantify it in fantasy points, but pass protection, obviously catching out of the backfield, running the ball. He does everything for us. that nobody really talks about because you can't really quantify it in fantasy points. But pass protection, obviously catching out of the backfield, running the ball,

he does everything for us. He's just a great player. What do you think about the combine? Is it losing to Sluster or no? We had Rapport on. Rapport was talking about how some of the coaches aren't coming anymore. And I guess it makes sense for coaches not necessarily to be here, but I feel like personnel and staff probably always going to be at the combine or no? I mean, the combine is as important now as it's ever been.

It's just that I think we've found different ways to be more efficient working. COVID. Exactly. I mean, I've learned a lot of things from COVID. So, you know, as far as when we come here, like how efficient can we be? Like there's certain things that we need to be here for. But there are things like, like, do we need 30 people watching the short shuttle? Like, just give me the time. I don't need to watch the short shuttle no everybody has their different times

remember but again so there's a lot of things that we do we've always done i think we can get better at um but the combine is important but we've kind of you know there's different ways to kind of handle this i think we've all kind of changed a little not all of us but i know we've even changed a little bit so how's the sofa coming we enjoy it great atmosphere it rains in there though yeah that place i think it blew in on the size didn't it yeah no matter well i mean it rained How's the SoFi coming? We enjoy it? Great atmosphere. It rains in there, though. Be careful. Did you hear about that? I think it blew in on the size, didn't it? The show matter. It rained in there.

It was slick. Bro, we were standing there on the sideline. We have no idea how we got to do that. Did you hear about this? We were calling the National. I heard about it, yeah. On the sideline. Just standing, walking the perimeter of the field.

Sweet state, right. While the National Championship is happening. SoFi is beautiful. Those field suites. Yeah, quite a racket you're running, Tom. It seems like quite a racket, Tom. I don't know if that's necessarily. But that stadium is beautiful, top notch.

And then once it started raining in there, we're like, this seems to be inefficient. But it was in Los Angeles. It was raining in a dome. It's not a dome, I dome. It's not a dome, I guess. It's a canopy. It's a covered stadium. A canopy? I don't know. Yeah, whatever it is.

How do you feel about that, though? Because obviously that is a conversation that took place, what, three years ago, I think, with the Chargers, whenever you guys were in the MLS stadium, and then going into SoFi, and then now you've got the face of the franchise. You make the playoffs. SoFi's beautiful. It feels like everything's really going in the Chargers' direction over there. Yeah, that's the plan. The arrow's up.

You know, we just got to keep it moving forward. So, you know, back-to-back winning seasons made the playoffs this year, but we've got to take it much farther. But, yeah, we've got a quarterback in hand. We've got a nice group of players around them, both some veterans and some younger players, and it's a beautiful stadium. And, really, the fan support this year, really,

coming from the soccer stadium and then moving to SoFi in the first year, it was COVID, so it was empty. So then the second year, like, what is it really going to be like? And it was much better than I ever would have anticipated. You just didn't know.

You know, we're new in the market, new stadium, but the amount of Charger fans has been tremendous. Do you still think about having an entertaining brand of football? Because Staley comes in, and we talked to Staley. We're thankful that Staley came into the last office, last combine.

And he almost made it a point, like, we play an entertaining style of football. I think you said the same thing. I totally believe that, yeah. Yeah? You think about that when you're scouting people too? I do. I mean, to me, like, you know, playing 13-10 football is not exciting football, obviously. If it can win, great.

But we want to win. We want to entertain people on the way to winning. Plus, where we are in Los Angeles, that's what you have to do. So we want to throw the ball. We want to have an offense that gets the ball down the field. We want to have an exciting defense. That's the style of play. And Brandon is an aggressive play caller, both on defense

and in game management situations. We kind of want that identity. That's awesome to think about. Go ahead, Tom. We were talking about this year, the teams that seemed like regime turnover were teams that their record wasn't good,

but they also didn't score points. Teams where their record was not good, but they were scoring points and were more exciting. It seemed like those regimes got to stay versus the regimes that didn't score points. And we're also, because the fans are like,

if you're scoring points, the fans, I guess we'll give you a little bit of a break, but if you're not scoring points, well, if it's miserable to watch and you stink, like we happen to have a streak that was six figures and then has an escalator to it all of a sudden out of nowhere.

And it was tough to watch. That was a tough brand of football to watch a lot of turnover it's like you heard fans get louder though because it's like we're supporting you you're not as good as we thought you were going to be and it stinks like we're not obviously the Colts aren't the only situation that's like so I appreciate the fact that you have that like in mind like also want to have an entertaining brand of football that's a real thing in the business that is the NFL, I think. Yeah, it is. You just can't give up.

You know, wins and losses are number one because fans are entertained when you win. But there's definitely a style of play that we think we can play to entertain our fans. What do you do in the combine with these quarterbacks? You have your quarterback. So do you even look into it? Do you do scouting for other teams because you know that another team is going to draft that quarterback? Like are you trying to get as much intel as possible? And what do you think about the current draft class that's coming out?

Where are we deep at in this class? We look at it differently because I know when people talk about deep and weak, they're really looking at the first round, maybe the first or second round. We're kind of looking at the whole draft. I'm a GM. I got to actually – I don't have media. Okay, I don't have time to do that. Is this a good draft class you think in your eyes?

I think so. I've seen a lot of players that we like. We have seven picks right now. We've got to find seven players out of the group. I think we can do that. The quarterback class... You're happy you got Herbert, huh? I'm glad we got Justin right now. The Colts need a quarterback.

Some of the Raiders, though, in the division. Yeah, that's good news. Hey, your division, I mean, hey, that guy's good over there in Kansas City. Yeah. Yep. They're unbelievable. Dynasty, we're in the middle of right now. Yeah, big time.

Chargers always playing well, though. So what is that? Is that always? I mean, that was Herbert's first game, right? Yeah. Herbert's first game came in against the Chiefs. Knocked that guy out. Yeah, first drive.

Knocks him out. Sets the tone. Is Chiefs a thought? Because remember, okay, what was the dude's name for the Houston Texans? Charlie Casserly. Yes. Charles Casserly. He was supposed to take Reggie Bush.

He does not take Reggie Bush. He takes Mario Williams. They ask him, why'd you take Mario Williams? I got to sack Peyton Manning. That's what I got to get to Peyton Manning in Indianapolis. Is that how you have to think whenever you're talking about building your team? You can't help but not think about it. I mean, we know we have to beat the Raiders, got to beat the Broncos, got to beat the Chiefs, but you can't help but always be looking at how we can stop Mahomes. You can't. So it's part of your process, part of our

process in the draft as we talk about different players, fully knowing that, you know, you need 10, 11, 12 wins to get in the playoffs, so you have to beat some teams off of your division. But when you have, you know, Andy Reid and Brett Veach and Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City, you know, how are we going to get past those guys? So, yeah, those do come up. What are your relationships like with other GMs? Pretty good? You guys all pretty kosher with each other? I think so.

You know, most of us kind of came up in this business, been in you know doing this a long time so you get a chance to meet guys you know before their gms you kind of know them before then so uh yeah it's pretty cordial oh coming up in the business here we go you know jeff saturday well what do you think of that hiring the interim that was a big convo obviously you're in your own world you got your blinders on doing your thing oh wow whoa that was a loud loud conversation in the world whenever jeff saturday i heard obviously they win he goes undefeated first weekend yeah that's right i actually played the colts in in indy got a chance to watch your team operate against jeff saturday's team what did you think about that whole situation i mean i couldn't help but i mean i was surprised i just

hadn't seen that done before um you know jim though yeah but i like outside the box thinking and i just but i do also think that you know putting someone in that position you know it's tough on jeff i mean just walking into you know situation with you know hadn't been there at training camp didn't know the coaching staff so it was a tough situation for him but uh yeah i was i was surprised as anybody you know i didn't did not see that one coming at all see we love i love jeff you know jeff very we all know jeff very well and i was like just happy that a player got an opportunity to do that because of what we were talking about before we went on air about, like,

AQ, 12 years in the NFL. He wants to be a coach. He's fixing printers and getting coffee for people at 4.30 a.m. Like, you're not going to get a lot of some of our best football minds after a great football career to sign up to coach just because you've got to go back. This is just how it is. This is how it's always been done. So I like the fact that it was like all right we're getting a player who

has a great mind who has done a lot for the program he's in a ring of honor putting him on a fast track almost to coaching was hoping he had success they did they didn't know that but they didn't have success beforehand no exactly they have flashes that's why i even got it that's why i even got the gig that whole thing is is fascinating, though, the whole coaching, hiring process. You're happy you don't have to do it, obviously. Yeah, I mean, to me, it's the most difficult job you have probably in all professional sports is hiring a head coach. It's a hard process. If you look at the success rate of all baseball, basketball, football, I mean, the success rate is not high when you're hiring a coach.

So, you know, the coach goes outside the box. You know, I'm all for it. Maybe we need to really look at how we hire. We're lucky where we are right now, but it's tough. Really, it's hard. What did Staley do in the interview that made you think, like, this is the guy over maybe somebody else? Was there something that you can, like, pinpoint?

It shouldn't just be one. If it's just one thing, that wouldn't be good enough to hire somebody. But it was an overall approach, how he was going to handle the team, and then secondary to that, how he's going to handle the defense. And then how he's going to handle game situations. So a lot of it, it's really trying to take in as much as you can. So when you're hiring a head coach, at least how I looked at it, you are going to look at, you know, the interview obviously is important.

But, you know, what's his body of work? What's he done on the field? What's his either defense or offense? What have they done? How have they played? That's part of it. And then trying to vet that person with people that don't have agendas, which is hard, to try and find really very objective information

about the people that you're hiring. So those were the three things that went into it, and he just really checked off all the boxes. Hell, yeah. Well, happy for you. Congratulations. Thank you so much for stopping by. A lot of negotiating this offseason or no?

Oh, yeah. I got a lawsuit you can dive into. Yeah. Might need you. If you want to just get on Mississippi. Do you have anything to say, actually, about the murder? Yeah, do you want to say anything about me being sued for anything like that? What are you being sued for?

Ah, defamation, dude. It's a whole thing. I mean, we didn't break the news no we just talked about the report on it right and then now i'm gonna get deposed that's gonna be must watch you know i have a lot more lawsuits coming from all over the place that's well that's the that's the point that's why i'm being so like like a lot of people are telling me like don't why are you talking about because i don't have a lawyer i'm gonna i'm gonna have to hire one obviously and i'm in the process i've been interviewing lawyers i've been doing the whole thing and a lot of people are like stop talking about it you're only making it harder

it's like no i'm not gonna this is not how this works like i am not just gonna lay here and just take it tom i think i've been like this probably forever though it's kind of how i've got a guy you might be able to hear it out yeah at ata baby, Tom. I appreciate the hell out of you. Have a great combine week. Good luck with everything. And thank you so much for making the trek up here to the Thunderdome. Boys, any last questions for Tom? Yeah, just one.

We have this conversation a lot as a GM because Staley's a defensive head coach. Do you get worried that if you guys have the best year that you've ever had, your offensive coordinator's going to get plucked, and then all of a sudden you're going to have to kind of reset a little. It's like a scared mentality. I mean, you're not even close. Back up a little, Tom. Tom, back up a little.

It's just like a scared mentality to have that we want to make sure our offensive coordinator is not so good that he gets taken away. So no, at this time, we're hiring the best person we can find. Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore. Oh, Kellen. Why'd you hire Kellen? What'd you see in him?

He had a lot of success with Dallas, obviously. We got lucky he was available, really. Yeah, the numbers kind of speak for itself. in dallas i think he'll fit really well and you know he'll be a head coach someday hopefully if you know a couple years down the line but you know we're gonna hire the best person there and you know fully knowing that yeah they may move on yeah same offense no new offense it'll be a new offense yeah yeah so that's not a thing you have to like, that's the whole conversation. Yeah. Herbert will just have to keep having to reset his offense and learn a new

playbook and all that. You don't live in your fears. He's smart. He's smart. He can handle it. Hey, we're going to pay him a lot of money. I think he can handle it.

Ladies and gentlemen, general manager of the Los Angeles chargers, Tom Telesco. Shout out to the man that just joined us. And although it is Tom Telesco Tuesday, there's another guy joining us that this is Super Bowl season for him. His brain is large. He does incredible research.

Formerly a scout, now he's the big brain that's on NFL Network chatting about all the players that are being scouted at this combine. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to move the sticks. Daniel Jeremiah. Mr. Jeremiah, thank you for making the trek to the Thunderdome. You're the fucking man. Oh, you guys are too kind. Can I just say a thank you, by the way,

because I'm getting ready to have four days of calling 40s, and you kind of get repetitive saying the same thing over and over again. But thanks to the show, I've got a new one I can use, which is that guy was running like he just had some bad tacos. Boom. Boom. There you go. Free of charge.

Shout out. And if he poops his pants, it. There you go. Hey, boom. Free of charge. Shout out. And if he poops his pants, it'll probably help him. Hey, in Indy, too. Like, there's a lot of, how about this guy? Unbelievable, man. 27 years old. I know.

I just saw the clip. So I saw the social clip. And then I'm like, about 30 seconds in, I'm like, I knew the whole story. And I'm like, there's still a minute and a half. Like, what else is there to tell? Yeah, we dove in. But you went a little deeper than I thought you would go. How about the toilet closed and that by the way the the the lulu underwear i i've i've been on a trip before i didn't have enough and i've had to go not cheap no i never buy that was

a tough sacrifice i kind of left out it took me about four hours to clean the poop off the walls and the floor how do you get a new bathroom i mean it was tough let's move into this because you're an incredible scout right yeah that's why you are the person you're at uh in the job that you have formerly a scout in the nfl now with nfl network breaking it all down for us a lot of guys to scout what would you say about a 27 year old who pooped his pants well i mean i like the fact that he plays with urgency there you go that's a good thing to have. High pressure player, kind of, if you think about it. Yeah, he left it all out there. He did.

First one in, last one out. Toilet, first one down, last one down. Actually, he was the last one in. Yeah, you're right. A little bit late. There's no... I clean the shit out of my bathroom, so that shows some sort of accountability. Yeah, yeah.

If you break it, fix it. Bingo. Boom, you would do that every single time. Bought Lululemon underwear. That's good. That's commitment. That's commitment. Put my pants on the field.

I'm still going to keep playing. We're proud of you. I'm grabbing that guy. Bingo. We're also proud of you, man, because honestly, we've watched you on the internet for a long time. And now you are the authority, basically, during Combine Week and scouting the NFL. And you help us out immensely. So we appreciate the hell out of you. Let's talk about this combine. Obviously the quarterback conversation

is huge. You're going to have to do a lot of it this week. Four out of the top five guys are thrown. That's a big deal, right? Is that normal? Is that not normal? And what are you excited to see out of this? Not recently. I mean, recently it's been kind of the invoke thing. Just wait to your pro day and do it there. So I love the fact that we're going to see a bunch of these guys. Are you going to make sure you talk about like like, if they miss, like never thrown with this guy? Oh, yeah, yeah. I hope for the future that this sets a precedent, like, hey, get out there and compete and throw a little bit.

Like, I think GMs see a lot out of that when guys choose to throw as opposed to opting out. I think it's a good thing, not a bad thing. It's a great thing. And you're not going to hurt yourself. You want to see these guys. A lot of them haven't been under center. You know, and I know it's a shotgun game even in the NFL now.

But still, it's a chance to just watch them move around with their feet. You can see how the ball comes off your hand, but the timing and the accuracy is going to be spotty for all these guys. You don't know these guys you're throwing to. The line changes with who you've got and who you're with. I just want to see how they spin it, how the ball comes out of their hand, and how they move around. Let's talk about the guys.

Anthony Richardson's stock is going to Malik Willis this year, right? Or this year. It is going to go through. Remember, Malik gave his jacket to a homeless person on the street here in Indianapolis. That was just a part of the whole thing. Threw the ball, ran well. His highlights at Liberty were incredible. He was almost

going to be a first-rounder after nobody even knew who he was before Indianapolis. Anthony Richardson is going to be that guy this year? I think he's got more ability than Malik. Also, he played at Florida as opposed to... Were you at the Utah game? I was not. Dan Orlovsky.

Okay, maybe I heard somebody talk about it the other day. Orlovsky said he loved him at the... Yeah, like I've said, if you were in an alien spaceship and you landed, and that's the only week of college football that you watched, and you watched every game, you'd say, that's the best player in the country. Like, he's that gifted. So it's all there.

It's just a matter of, you know, getting it out of him, going to the right place. I think he needs to sit. I know there's some disagreement on that.'s all there. It's just a matter of, you know, getting it out of him, going to the right place. I think he needs to sit. I know there's some disagreement on that. You have a guy who's raw. Some people say, ah, he needs to play and get, no. To me, this is the Mahomes plan. Let him sit, let him learn, let him develop,

clean some stuff up, and then you could have a huge payout. What do you think about C.J. Stroud? What he did against Georgia, he used his legs more. That was the big conversation around Ohio. Is that the conversation around the NFL as well? Yeah. Even with me individually, when you watched him, I'm like, okay, everything's on time. He's outstanding. He's just, he throws a beautiful ball.

He can make every type of throw. Everything's natural to him. It just looks so smooth and easy when he had to move and reset his accuracy tanked. You didn't see him really make as many plays with his legs. And then all of a sudden you get to the Georgia game and he's, you know, he's creating all kinds of stuff. Now part of it is because Georgia gives you the opportunity to do that because they're getting so much heat on you. But the old scouting adage is if you can do it once, you can do it.

So I know it's in there. I know we can do it. I just wish we would have saw more of it. Did you hear all the Ohio Fox? The Ohio Fox, AJ and the boys over there in Ohio were like, this is what we've been asking for him to do. They get to the college football playoff. He didn't have to do it. I assume NFL teams are going to want to see him move because that's where the game is headed. You're thinking? Yeah. You got to be, you got to be able to create, and it's not like you're not asking

him to do it. What Anthony Richardson does. Who's got like 60, 80 yard touchdown runs. I just want to say, Hey, if you get a free rusher, can you make this guy miss instead of just taking a sack or throwing the ball away and give us a chance to make something happen? And that was something you just didn't see a lot of. So the fact that he can do it is encouraging to know that, hey, that's in there. That's part of his game. It's going to have to be. To be a statue in today's league, you can't do it anymore. I don't want to harp on this because we've talked about it, but it is Combine Week, and he's potentially the number one overall pick. Bryce Young's talent outweighs his size? Yeah, I think it does.

I don't think he fits for all 32. Former scout in the NFL. Yeah. Potential GM someday, which is the person who used to have your job, got a GM title and a GM job. TV, that happens. You're dialed in. You think there's going to be people that are

just like, bye, small, but the guy's a freak. Is that what the conversation is about Bryce Young? Yeah. You have to talk yourself into the size. And I've had buddies around the league, when you talk to them, they're like, dude, I know how much you love him, but you got to see him in person because you got to see it. He's just not big. Coaches are going to be very anti-Brice Young. Yeah. Well, you know how it is. They all want the prototype. Well, because potential can get your ass fired you know what I mean like I think scouting departments potentially see the talent and everything

like that football coaches though are going to be like look what they give us guys I think though it's too part of the pad I think you're going to see them you know I don't even think they don't do the weigh-ins when you go to the weigh-ins anymore but it would be one of those deals where the first time you pass them in the hallway, you're going to see coaches like, no way.

There's no way. We can't do this. And then they're going to sit in the room with him, and they're going to listen to this guy talk ball, and he's going to talk about every protection that they're running. He's going to talk about where guys are coming from, and they're going to be like, this guy is like a savant. Oh, really?

And they'll change their tune. Oh, is that the case? I talked to coaches at Alabama that said, you play on Saturday. On Sunday, they have a team of a zillion guys working there in the analyst department. All fired coaches. Exactly. So they have a packet of the next team you're going to play on a Sunday. So you play on Saturday night.

Sunday morning, you come to get your treatment at the facility. They give you your packet for the next week. Most quarterbacks on Monday, they're going to watch the tape of the previous game. Okay, let's dive into this. What do we got here? We'll work on this throughout the week. They said he'd show up Monday and be like, hey, I don't really like this route against the coverage we're going to see with these guys.

Oh, that's the most important thing. He had swallowed the whole thing and had adjustments he wanted to make protection-wise, route-wise, and he said a lot of times we ended up incorporating what he was doing because it was really good. So he didn't win. What's that? He played a Bama.

Didn't get it. Didn't win. He's a Bama. Yeah, oh, in terms of winning the ultimate thing? Yeah. I would say if you watched last year's draft and you saw the 900 Georgia defenders that got drafted, and you watched the SEC championship game when his receivers were healthy

and it was a track meet. And he was going up and down the field against all those NFL dudes. And then the receiver hurts his knee. Mechie's out as well. He's got no wideouts the second time they play him. So I've seen him against an elite, as good as there is, literally the most talented defense in college football history. You can pull the numbers but i want to say 450 and you know four or whatever you love bryce young it sounds like yeah i'm a big fan okay you're changing the way i think

because i i haven't met him as a person and i didn't know any of that stuff i just look at just like stats pretty much about the quarterbacks are going to get hit yeah like quarterbacks are going to get hit and these are big fucking dudes especially if they're going to get hit. Quarterbacks are going to get hit, and these are big fucking dudes, especially if they're going to change the sling and the slam thing. There is going to be hits that come. If I am drafting a guy, I would like to see him survive. I'd like to see him make it. You think that because brain acumen is the biggest,

that is the most important part of it all. He can make every throw. He's a baller. You think that that is something that's certainly going to outweigh everything. Look, if he's in a draft and I've got my choice of six foot six, Trevor Lawrence or Bryce Young, I'm going to take Trevor Lawrence. Strictly because of the six foot six. Survival.

I mean, he's, he's, he's, they're similar players. This guy's got the size. To me, I think the gap is players between him and Stroud. I just think he's a better player. So all things equal, I'd much rather have, we all want bigger guys. There's not a Joe Burrow in this draft. There's not an Andrew Luck. There's not a Trevor Lawrence.

So with what we have in this draft, I think he's clearly the best one, and I think he's one that can go out and be successful in the right spot. I think Indy is the perfect spot for him. Really? Jim Irsay loves him. Do you think he was just sandbagging there? I don't know. That would be funny if they

decided to use steichen's press conference as a work you know and him and chris ballard are both working in there that sounded like an off-air conversation that carried into a press conference yeah because chris ballard does because chris ballard said or trade back right and jim goes this guy loves pics over here you could hear like j hear Jim and Chris conversation off-air taking place up there. That guy from Bama looks pretty good. I think that was Jim telling Chris again what he said off-air, on-air. But who cares? If you're going to get to number one, you're going to get to number one anyways,

which I think the Colts might make a play at some point. I just feel like with them specifically, of all the teams that could make a trade or go up there for a quarterback, it makes the most sense. Carolina, you think? I think even more so for Indy. I just think Indy's been on this veteran carousel for so long and trying just the short-term, short-term, short-term.

I think their team's good enough where I don't think they're going to be picking all the way up here again. So this is your shot. You're there. Just make it happen. Go get the guy. And don't sit there and wait at four and cross your fingers that the guy you like is going to be in the top.

Well, Jim Irsay has tweeted, obviously go up to the top, please. My relationship with the Chicago Bears goes back more than 60 years. I mean, he is. You know what I mean? Jim Irsay is a lightning rod. He is awesome, and he's riding a bear at the Lincoln Park Zoo. His dad made his money in Chicago. HVAC units, I believe, for every building in Chicago.

That's where he got his money. Then they obviously go to Baltimore. Then they come over to Indianapolis. I don't know who created the patent for the HVAC. I mean, that story has obviously been told in many different ways. But I think Jim grew up in Chicago. Is that a real bear? Yeah, him and Putin, bro.

Goddamn it. That's what they do, bro. And what's his name? What's his name? The MMA who does this stuff too Habib he's like full on wrestling those dudes those videos are insane

the internet has really allowed us to understand that people do a lot more with bears than I thought people are a lot more loose with bears Jackie Moon and Precious smacking them this is a fucking semi-pro is my only time of thinking that. But then on the internet, it's like over there in like.

Dagestan. And Russia. Yeah. Crimea. They just, like bears are dogs almost. Oh, that's crazy. I'll give you my one bear story. They'll always beat us because of that.

Cocaine bear now too. Yeah, that bear loves coke. I'm in Alaska, family vacation. You take a little float plane into this little area right into this little little lodge and then they've got uh they cook the salmon for you and all kinds you see the glaciers so the kids are little and i'm like i gotta do something to entertain the kids while we're kind of waiting for the plane to take us back like let's do it i'll do like an obstacle course like race so i set this thing up on the grass all of a sudden a bear's coming

out there and my little daughter she's she's head down like i gotta get her head up as a runner she's head down like this and i'm like seeing my i'm like oh my i'm like sprinting out to her like stop stop and she thinks i'm just trying to make it so that my son wins the race i'm like no no no it's amazing to think about you and this is what a scout would do about buddy. All right. Let's put a little three-cone drill out here. A little kid combine. And your daughter, competitive, like, oh, my dad's trying to screw me over right here. I ain't even thinking about it.

Happy to hear nobody died from that bear. No, no, we're good. Yeah, that's great. That might have been the bear in Alaska. That's kind of what it looked like, yeah. Hey, congrats to that bear being a cool bear, not a cocaine bear, because I think if it was a cocaine bear, your daughter. Has anybody seen that, by the way? No, we just heard Bill.

Yeah, Bill said it was the best movie ever. Our photographer, Bill McComas, also the guy who codes on YouTube, he said, good movie. Dumb movie, he said, but good movie. He said that the bear really loved cocaine. Like, that's been everybody's big takeaway is that that bear loved coke more than anybody else. And I'm very pumped to kind of watch. Let's go with the last quarterback in this whole thing, Levis.

Yeah. Out of Kentucky, right? Numbers not that good. Kentucky not that good. He has the body type, though. That's what everybody's thinking. And he can spin it. We saw some clips where he can spin it. And Hennon Hooker, who we are a big fan of. Happy to see he made your top 50. Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel like there's been enough talk about Hennon Hooker. We thought that as well, actually. You know, he's a good player. I think, you know, with all the age and the injury, look, you should be thinking about things in terms of four and five years in the nfl everything can change if you tell me right now i'm going to get four or five six years of really above average

borderline you know close to elite quarterback play who cares take guys older take it man let's so to me his tape was really really good and he's accurate he's big he can move around uh you know we'll see where he ends up going but to me i think if he didn, really good. He's accurate. He's big. He can move around. We'll see where he ends up going. To me, I think if he didn't get hurt, I think we'd be talking about him as a first-round pick. I agree. That was a video of Hendon that he posted from his workout. He can fucking spin it. Massive hands.

He was on our program. We basically told him, hey, we're a big fan. He was there with Beans. Bush is Beans. He was there with Bush is bush is baines he was there bush's beans and he had the hooker beans i believe and i obviously game day went to two tennessee games yeah so i got to see a lot of him and i got to see the reaction of him i got to meet his parents i got to meet everything i love it dude the guy is i feel great about him yeah i'm curious to see where

it's an intriguing guy where he where is he projected well i mean i put him in my top 50 but i i think he's probably in that second round range. But like I'm looking at a team, the Saints, right? You're picking in there. He's better than anybody that you got there. I take him over Andy Dalton at this point in time. We already know what Jameis is, you know, good, better. Great leader too.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I take a shot on him. Hypo's offense is a lot of option routes too. So he's thinking pre-snap and post-snap down there in Tennessee, and they had a lot of success. The hard thing with that offense, though, is they literally spread you from sea to shining sea. I mean, they're like two yards from the sideline on each side,

and then they put Hyatt, the track star, in the slot, and for some reason everybody in the SEC thought it would be a wise idea to put a safety down there over him, and he just throws vertical after vertical after vertical. Hits it, though. Oh, it's beautiful. Which is a big deal. Let's talk about Levis.

It's going to be an adjustment for him, just playing in a little more condensed environment. Let's talk about Levis a little bit. Puts mayonnaise in his coffee. Eats bananas with the peels on. I like that he's an independent thinker. As a quarterback, I like a unique guy who is his own person. Is it all just because he looks like an NFL quarterback that people like him, or what do you think the big hype is around him? Kentucky was not ever really in the conversation. No offense, Kentucky. They'll come back in the conversation.

Love Kentucky. But they were never really in the convo. Is he going to do well at the combine? And what do you think it is about Will? Yeah, I mean, he's got everything you want in terms of the size, the arm strength, the athleticism, the toughness, the competitiveness. Those are all the pluses. You watch him last year.

They were better, better offensive lines. They had Wandel Robinson out there, so he had somebody to throw the ball to. What's he, third-rounder, offensive line, they got a guard who's going third-round or something like that? Yeah, so this year, they just didn't have a ton around him. That doesn't excuse the fact that he was not great on tape when you watch him. Now, one of the things

that he's got, he had a toe injury, I believe, on his left foot, and I think he had his left shoulder. I didn't know that when I'm watching toe injury, I believe, on his left foot. And I think he had his left shoulder. So I didn't know that when I'm watching him. And I'm literally taking my notes and I'm like, dude, everything this guy throws to the left, he's totally closed off. He's working against himself. His accuracy goes down, you know, big time. And then I find out later, well, gosh, he had a toe.

He had the shoulder. He didn't run as much. Like the year before, I think he had nine rushing touchdowns. Like they used him more with his legs. And like he didn't, like he couldn't. He was hurt. So you've got to factor all that stuff in together. And then he's supposed to be somebody, again, who's really smart.

They rave about him from all that. There's a zillion sacks, and there's a ton of turnovers. So at the combine, when I'm sitting in the room with him, if you're a team, we're going to watch these turnovers. We're going to watch these sacks. And just tell me what you see, what happened. And maybe you come out of that feeling a little bit better about it than you did beforehand.

They got him like top five quarterback, top four quarterback. Is there going to be a quarterback heavy top 10, top 15? I think so. There's just enough teams that need them. And they're all – I feel like they're in the same divisions. Like it's the South, the NFC South and the AFC South. Everybody needs quarterbacks. Yeah, we know.

Yeah, exactly. And the thing about the – with the Texans and the AFC South, everybody needs quarterbacks. Yeah, we know. Yeah, exactly. And the thing about the, you know, with the Texans and the Colts is it's like a two-for-one because not only if you go up to get one, not only do you get them, but you keep them from a team inside your division. Yeah, D'Amico, obviously, and the Texans are going to get hungry. Connor has a question for you. You alluded to it earlier. Yeah, of course.

You know, Matt Jones and the Patriots took a step back. No, that is not. I was talking about Torneseki. Yeah, Torneseki. Tight ends, and this actually does go, Matt Jones and the Patriots took a step back. No, that is not what I was talking about. Oh, okay, so now it's okay, good. Yeah, it was Seeky. Tight ends, and this actually does go with Matt Jones and the Patriots. Patriots love tight ends. How good, you said before we came on, you know, the draft class this year is very deep at tight end.

Are there, like, Kyle Pitts-esque players because that, you know, obviously he was fourth overall, got drafted very high. Are there guys like that that might make an impact so early? Or do you think because of the quarterbacks being so many needy teams, four quarterbacks, that those will get taken in the top five, top six, and then we're going to see two, three tight ends in the first round? Or what do you think? I think we'll see two or three in the first round later in the first round.

I don't think you'll see one go in the top ten. Oh, really? No, but I think like Kincaid for me is unbelievable. Who's that? Kincaid from Utah. I think he's the best tight end in the draft. Better than Mayer? He's just more sudden. He's more explosive than Mayer. Like you can watch, I don't know if you pull up his, if you pulled up Kincaid's numbers, just look at, look at what he did against, I know USC defense wasn't good this year, but if you, the first game he had against SC, I was watching the targets,

guys. I'm sitting there. So you can go through the video and you can sort it and just watch all of his targets for the year. And when you're doing tape on all these guys, it's just one after another after another. And so I'm sitting there going like, I think I just dozed off because I think I've been watching this guy catch passes against USC for the last 30 minutes. And I literally pulled up the box there. I'm like, oh my

gosh, this guy had like 15, 16 catches in that game. But he's more dynamic. He's going to be, I think he's just better catches in that game. But he's more dynamic. He's going to be, I think he's just better in the passing game. Mayer's an all-around tight end, complete tight end. But everything's going to be kind of those combat catches, wall-off catches. He's kind of always around guys. He's not really getting away from guys.

Those are both first-rounders, you think, Mayer and Kincaid? Yes, and I think you'll see Darnell Washington from Georgia. 6'7", Georgia. What a freak show. Dog. This tells you about Georgia. So their offensive line coach was my offensive line coach at App State, home of Luke Combs, by the way. Long day, guys.

Cold beer never broke my heart. Sang that with Luke Combs. On the hill, on the rock. Oh, I was jealous. What's that called? App State. On the rock? Yeah, the rock.

On the rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up there. We had a great time. It was beautiful. The scenery was amazing. Bro, that was like my second week on game day. On the Rock? Yeah, the Rock. On the Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up there. We had a great time. It was beautiful. The scenery was amazing. Bro, that was like my second week on game day. Was it really?

Yeah. And then Luke Combs comes walking up. I'm like, this show's a little different. Being on game day is a little bit different. That place was amazing. They treated us very well. I loved it up there. Think about that.

Final play win, I think. I know, yeah. They won on the Hail Mary. Won a day up there. Insane. I think I'm still the only person that's ever went from San Diego, California to Boone, North Carolina. Hey, it's beautiful, though. I loved it, man.

Hippie. A little bit of a hippie feel. A little bit of that vibe. A little granola. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Good folks. They were nice to me, man.

I slept under a bar that night. That's right. Yeah. You weren't able to sleep. Did you go by the Danil Boone Inn? Was that? They have great biscuits there. So I didn't get to have any biscuits.

We stayed at like, you know, that's the thing about game days. It's very difficult to find hotels. College town. Because if we're going to the game, it's the biggest weekend of that school. And if we're deciding to go there on a Monday or a Tuesday, four days beforehand, it is going to be difficult to find hotel rooms. So that's like my second week there. I am low man on totem pole. So we get to stay at this beautiful, like a boutique kind of hotel,

but it had a bar in the main level. It had like a little dance floor thing. And they're like, here's your room, sir. And they opened up like this closet door. I went down these steps and my room was literally directly under the bar. And it was sound like they were having a great time. It was a beautiful place, but I was like, oh like oh i'm in it this year like i'm in it for the long because yeah like the people behind the scenes of game day are immaculate like hard working great people would do whatever so they're kind of putting an interesting spot too but i was like i need to get a bus i thought about buying a bus literally after the app state weekend yeah but we walked around the campus we saw a bunch of different places that place was amazing i could see why you would go from san diego to app state luke combs is a dog by the way he flew from wisconsin to app state

then back to wisconsin because he had another show and all the app state kids as soon as the show ended sing sing sing this is your life like. I'm like, oh, this is your life. Like when you're a singer, like, hey, just shut up and sing, pal. He was very nice, very accommodating. But anyway, sorry to get off track. Loved App State. Loved it. I love hearing that. So I talked to my buddy who's the offensive line coach at Georgia, and I'm talking about some of the Georgia players. And I go, all right, coach, tell me about the athletic freak tight end. And he goes, well, he's not in the draft. I go, no, the other athletic freak tight end. Like that's how loaded that place is.

Bauer's the best tight end in the country. He's not eligible. But when you see Washington, he's going to be 6'7", 270. He's going to run like in the four sixes. No. Damn. He's a freak. So he might slide up.

He could go in the first round, yeah. Yeah, because there's not a lot of those humans around. He's like Mercedes Lewis with a jet pack. Bring him to Indianapolis. Yeah. Bring him. Yeah, because there's not a lot of those humans around. He's like Mercedes Lewis with a jet pack. I mean, that's what he is. Bring him to Indianapolis. Yeah, bring him. Well, you've got tall tight ends you don't use, so why would you? Yeah, why don't we throw the ball?

I like the young tight end, the rookie from last year, too. What's his name? Come on. The big kid. What's his name? Sticks. Come on, brother. Virginia.

Yeah. Transferred. Yeah, from Oklahoma State to Virginia. There you go. What's his name? I've got 330 names. Yeah. Transferred. Yeah, from Oklahoma State to Virginia. There you go. What's his name? I've got 330 names. 31. Anyways, we need to play him more.

What's that guy's name? Give me the name. Jelani Woods. Oh, Jelani Woods. Jelani Woods, man. I was loud about Jelani Woods. The season ticket marketing that the Colts are actually doing across social media is after Jelani Woods catches his second touchdown in a game,

and he's 6'7", you know? And I'm standing in that suite, and I'm like this, literally, and he and I are eye-to-eye with each other. And I'm looking in the eyes of a dog. Like, this dude is a – we never put him on the fucking field, bro. I don't understand that. He wasn't even on the field for a lot of things. I'm like, what are we – Mo Alley-Cox is the other tight end we have.

Great player. I'm a big fan of him. Can we not put both of them on the field for a lot of things. I'm like, what are we? Mo Alley-Cox is the other tight end we have. Great player. I'm a big fan. Can we not put both of them on the field at the same time? If you've got a 6'7 guy that can move, you get him. And I think a lot of people are going to say that about Darnell, don't you? Yeah, and he is a mauler in the run game. Like, Jelani was a good blocker. I mean, that's what he did at Oklahoma State before he transferred.

This dude is like. You think he's a first-rounder? Yes. Yeah, it's just he's a freak. So three tight ends are going first round? And then I wouldn't sleep on Musgrave, too, from Oregon State can roll. He's going to run. He's going to be 6'6", 250.

He's going to run the low 4.5s. What's fastest 40 we're going to see this year? I think it would have been the A&M running back, but I think he's a little nicked. A-chain, he's got crazy, crazy speed. The corner from Oregon is going to fly. 4.2? He'll run.

I think he'll be right on the line, 4'3", maybe a little over, maybe a little under. People have gotten much faster, haven't they? Why have humans gotten so much faster? I don't know, but to me, it's still the most impressive thing is when you see the big guys. Darnell, you're saying he's going to run a 4'6"? Like Keon White from Georgia Tech

is going to be 280 plus pounds, and he's going to run the 4'6". That's not normal, man. No no how does it happen you think what what is it i think just the combination of diet and training um is different than it was years ago ty has a question for you sticks yeah i noticed that you didn't have sam laporta going in the first round which makes no sense because he played in the work for the worst fucking offense ever and still you know did had like 55 catches but uh i'd obviously 130th out of 131 actually yeah. Yeah, so bad.

Too bad. But the good news is they made changes, though, right? No, no, no. Same, same. Well, no, there are a couple of aspects. The offense has over 125 yards. He'll hit some bonuses. Oh, he got a quarterback.

He got a quarterback. We do have a quarterback. That's right. A couple of Michigan transfers. But obviously it's impossible to predict, but we've seen already them talking about so many trades happening in the first round. Do you think it's going to be a trade-heavy first round this year or not necessarily? Well, I think trades are always dictated by the premier positions.

And if you were going to rank the positions, you'd start at quarterback and then you'd go edge rusher. And those are positions where we have a lot of guys. Oh, edge rusher. We're big this year. Yeah, it's a great group. I think I have 10 in my top 50 are edge rushers, so it's a good group. And with the quarterbacks, you just had Tom Telesco in here and calling the Charger games. You see

it in the AFC. It's like every week you're playing one of these other cyborgs. These quarterbacks are unbelievable. You can't have enough pass rushers. You can't have enough corners. You just can't. How about offensive line? Because isn't the old adage that these modern-day offensive linemen can't put their hand in dirt, can't move anybody, you just can't. How about offensive line? Because isn't the old adage that these modern-day offensive linemen can't put their hand in the dirt, can't move anybody, you're not coaching offensive line. And in the NFL, you don't have enough time to coach them because of the limiting on the practices. Do you think there's going to be some offensive linemen

that are going to change the game this year? I think it's a solid group. I don't think there's, you know, a premier, premier guy. Like, I love Slater when he came out. Slater and Sewell, to me, are better than any of the linemen in this draft. Slater, Chargers guy, too. Yeah.. I don't think we have one of those. It's a good group. I think the interior guys, there's a handful. There's not many of them, but there's four or five guys that are ready to come in and play. That's going to be late first, early second.

You'll see those interior offensive linemen go. Tony Diggs has a question for you, Sticks. You can bet on the draft. You just talked about edge rushers. Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, they're basically a pick-em. Who goes first? Defensive player. Am I crazy thing? It's definitely Will Anderson. A lot of hype around Will all year. He gets talked about like Aaron

Donald gets talked about. I just think it'll come down to what team you're looking for. As a scout, it's harder to find Jalen Carter. I love Will Anderson. He's my second player. To me, it's harder to find thealen Carter. I love Will Anderson. He's my second player. But to me, it's harder to find the interior guy than it is the edge guy. Who's your first player, Bryce? I have Jalen Carter as the number one player.

Will Anderson is the number two player. And Bryce Young is the number three player. Holy hell. Who's number four? Is that Washington? Yeah, number four. Who do I have as number four? We can pull it up.

No, no, no. I have B. John Robinson as number four. Wow. There it up. No, no, no. I have, oh, B. John Robinson's number four. Wow. There's something going on with him right now. What happened? There's a lot of headlines. Well, everybody's just like, when do you take the running back? He's a freak show.

He's an absolute freak show. He's as good as any of those top guys we've seen go up there. And everybody's, oh, the value of the running back. I can make a case, a strong case for one team that I think should take him. They'll never do it because they don't do it. But the Philadelphia Eagles, because they have the Saints pick, they're picking 10. Normally, my philosophy on running backs,

I'm not against taking them in the first round, but don't waste their carries. They only have so many carries in their body. If you look at it, four, five years, six years of elite carries. Why are you going to waste those on a bad team? So if you're picking up there in the top 10, you're usually a bad team. You're going to waste this guy's prime.

You're not even any good. I like the idea of having a really good team, and then you drop the up there in the top 10, you're usually a bad team. You're going to waste this guy's prime. You're not even any good. I like the idea of having a really good team, and then you drop the running back in there, and then all of his carries matter. The Eagles are right there. They're picking 10. Every time this guy touches the ball matters for the next four years. How about Pacheco coming out of the seventh round?

That's to your point. Go to a great team, and you're a running back that's good. Everything is meaningful, and you can add to it. Absolutely. How did he slip to the seventh? He was height, weight, speed. He was a little bit stiff. I think it was one of those deals in scouting.

Sometimes we get enamored with what the guy isn't and don't accept and appreciate what he is. He was a little tight, but he's straight line speed power. What can happen this week? Is that the type of thing that can happen this week that can kind of knock some guys? Yeah. No, to me, the team or the group that has the most to gain or loses the corner position because if you run slow as a corner it's gonna it's gonna really hurt your stock like you don't need to be four three but there's a big difference between you know being four four five and being four five eight like that's gonna cost you a lot of money if you end

up in the ladder yeah just because this is open in the NFL and this, when a receiver does this one here. Yeah. Yeah, that's how people make a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah, that's how. Well, I mean, and the people say, okay, what about wideouts? Well, if I'm a wideout and I run 4-6, the corner that's with me has got to be running 4-6 too because he's riding right with me. And then can I get in and out of a break?

Do you have that quickness? If you're a corner who runs 4-6 and the receiver runs 4-4, you ain't close enough. It ain't going to matter. He's gone. There's this going on again. Hey, let's go ahead. Do that guy a tone?

Speaking of wide receiver, Quentin Johnson's a favorite to go first wide receiver. Do you think, like, I feel like this wide receiver draft, is it not as good as the ones that have been in the last recent years? Hold on, hold on. This was a good question, great question. This was the thing that we were talking about. Younger wide receiver group, because of 7-on-seven, because of one-on-ones, because of the way football is in the high school level, college level, and content.

Like guys are working on routes. Guys are bossing people every single day on the internet. We thought that it was just going to be a factor. Wide receivers are going to be better. This is not a year for that? It has been that way for the last handful of years. And it's not like good players, like elite, special, Hall of Fame future players. It's been unbelievable.

And not only the high-end guys, you've had the depth of the number of guys where you're getting guys second, third, fourth round, big-time dudes. This is just one of those years where I think it's kind of an aberration, but we don't have that this year. And I think it's a flavor draft.

I don't think there's a premium big-time guy. It's just kind of what you're looking for. You're looking for the route runner. You're looking for the height, weight, speed. Quentin Johnson's a tough one for me because he has the height, weight, speed. He's got a lot of drops, so he doesn't have real consistent hands.

And they don't ask him to run every route. And so if you look at the Big 12 and you study the wideouts that have come out of there, man, it is a not a good hit it's the lowest hit rate of any conference like it's not good like i over the last like however many years i think there was 17 of them that had gone in the first three rounds because they're all wide open in those offenses yeah it's a different game yeah and in the last in the last 11 years there's been six corners drafted out of the big 12 they don't cover they don't have any

defense in that conference so you've got nobody covering these guys. You've got these simple spread offenses where they're running three routes. It's hitch, post, or go. That's it. They don't have a full complement. So it hasn't been a good... I mean, you can go through and list the names. The three that have hit were CeeDee Lamb, who was a great route runner, Lockett,

who was a great route runner, and then Marquise Brown. Those are the only three guys I think that have had a 1,000-yard season in the last however many years. That's wild to think about because you just assume Big 12 pass happy. A lot of yards, those guys are going to be guys. But then a lot of those yards are just wide open, catching things like this. Connor has one for you.

Yeah, you mentioned in the top ten the Eagles being there and obviously the Colts, the Cardinals. It feels like there are teams that are really close in the top ten. Because of that, do you think there's more pressure on those guys to not make the right pick but add to their team right now? The Cardinals have the most important position you said, quarterbacking. If they get a guy like Will Anderson, does that immediately change who they are? Same with the Colts. If they get C.J. Stroud and he comes in and he doesn't have to grow and he can play right away, are they a team that you think can

actually threaten to make a move and go to the AFC championship or further? AFC's so stacked, but I do think those teams are close. I would throw the Raiders in there. Coming into the last year, we thought the Raiders coming off a playoff season, they still have a lot of really talented players in that group. So I feel like if

they can get the quarterback thing figured out and get somebody that fits with their coach, that that could be a team that is, you know, goes from picking the top 10 to being one of the better teams. Hey, you're going to have an incredible week. We can't wait to watch you on NFL Network, pal. When's it all start? Thursday? Sure. Yeah. Somewhere around there.

Wednesday? I think it's that. We have Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Andrew, is that right? Yeah, sure. Topher, come on. Fucking give us an answer. Wake up. By the way, Topher, do you play golf? Yeah. If your name is Topher, you play golf yeah if your name is tofer

you play golf who is this crew that you got so that's pr that's nfl pr that's the best and the brightest right hey thank you thank you for everything paffle yeah no padre questions pat i mean come on i actually was gonna say joe musgrove broke his toe already so you guys yeah but you paid many the dodgers just lost their shortstop for the whole year. That's a good point. What? We're fine. No.

We're fine. That guy's paying money, man. What do you see when he gives Soto? He'll give Soto over 500 million bucks. Yeah, well, he gave Tatis 300 million. That guy's a fucking cheater. Whoa! He's just trying to rehab.

Tried a little something to help with the rehab. Hey, just a little expediter. Whatever. I hit a home run in here yesterday. Did you really? Yeah, Jet Passing was on, talking about the shot clock. You like it? I love it.

You're a big baseball guy? Yeah, my parents have season tickets. I love the Padres. I've been a huge baseball fan. Sam Diego, I did not know that. Tony Brand. Oh, yeah. In San Diego, our teams always sucked growing up,

but we had Tony Gwynn and Junior Sale. That was it. You watched the team just to watch those two guys. I don't know about Tony Gwynn. Both of them, yeah. Tony Spieth. Let's have a moment of silence for both of those San Diego legends moment passed

nice appreciate that have an incredible week what do you got the next couple days preparation yeah just getting ready we'll have a couple run throughs and do some interviews

and rock and roll man you and Rich up there yeah Rich we're ready to go he's the best man we just sit up there and just laugh you know

we have a good time hey tell him whenever the draft happens like dreams are coming true. Fun. Yeah. Love celebration. Pumped about it. You know, like the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh rounds,

Rich is about fed up with everything. I love Rich. I don't know how Rich keeps up with his schedule. Honestly, at his duration of this whole sports media world, what he does during the football season is phenomenal it is unbelievable work ethic next level big fan respect that game day show on sunday i love that show you're on there a couple times yeah i love that show but the draft like fourth fifth sixth seventh rounds rich is pissed every single pick it seems like nothing will nothing

though like when when my blue man group oh my god when they showed up oh my god it was awesome see he and he gets frustrated with it i enjoy it because i get a break like this is yeah bring the blue guys out here let's go the blue guys hit some drums and the money gun or whatever they were doing anyway it's a big time for you though it's fun man like i sit and watch all these guys my kids don't don't want to care come out and say, hey, let me tell you about this guard I just watched from Old Dominion. They don't want to hear that. So this is a chance to talk about all the guys you watch. Will you ever be a GM someday? Have you ever been approached?

I've had offers to be the number two for a couple times. It's been a few years now. I don't really have any interest, Pat, to be honest, man. Pressure? No, I just have balance. I love the work-life balance I have right now. I don't miss my kids' games. I still get to watch players, which I love,

and I don't have to deal with the other nonsense you'd have to deal with and all the stress that comes along with it. I get to see my wife, so it's a win. All right. Well, maybe someday, whenever you decide you hate your life and want to do that, we can't wait to watch it. And congratulations on all the success. You've earned it all, pal.

Ladies and gentlemen, at Move the Sticks, Dana Jeremiah. Hey! And before we get to this break, Daniel. Yep. Uh-huh. Here we go. Quarterback at App State. That's right.

Superstar. On the rock. Mm-hmm. Oh, this is bad. Daniel, all you got to do, okay, this is an easy game. You're in a suit. You look clean, buddy. Yeah.

Oh, my God, you look good right now. You're in a suit. You look clean. Yeah. Oh, my God, you look good right now. The shoes. Oh, oh. Cole Hawns. Is this Cole Hawns down there? Where are these guys? Cole Hawns. Steve Madden.

Good scouting. Yeah, good eyes, good eyes, good eyes on them. They got good base. You know, they used to have that Nike deal, and it really came together, and then they separated, I do believe, which pissed off a lot of guys who had Nike contracts. But nonetheless, all you got to do to move the sticks is move that ball into one of those holes in that net right over there.

You'll get five opportunities there. Don't feel like you got to make the first time, but if you do, it'll be a lot better for all of us. If you make that thing in there, 20 people will win $500 who retweet this video, say something nice to somebody, and put their cash tag in the same reply so we can pay them officially on Cash App. How about it, DJ? How do you feel?

Not great. This jacket's tight. Yeah. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. If this goes incredibly bad, excuse me.

Yes. Yes. Okay. Built in. Smart. Self-hating guy. That's smart. That's smart.

Ian Rapport did a lot of that. He said, I'm not an athlete. I'm small. And then he banked it off the backside of the whole thing and won 20 people $500. Daniel Jeremiah. Oh, he's spinning it, though. Wow. He's spinning it, though.

The thing's moving. Hey, you got good form, huh? You still... Daniel Jeremiah for 20 people to win. Oh, going for the top right. That ball's a little flat. That ball's a little flat and a little thinner. With the baby Duke.

NFL Network. Wow, he's really going. Same spot. Very consistent. Got two more opportunities at a DJ. 20 people. $500. Raw power.

Consistent raw power. Ball's right there. Hey, hey, hey. Slow down. Let's fucking put the ball in. Let's go. This is your Super Bowl. I was an option quarterback.

I can't flip it that far Oh you're throwing it well You're spinning the ball You're spinning the ball right now All you need to do is just think to yourself I'm going to put this ball In that god damn hole right over here Think about Rap Sheet

He's right behind you right now Rap Sheet banked it off the back wall It went into the hole The ball wants to go into the hole look at that that thing was dying to get in there all you gotta do is just let it happen dj just let that thing spin 20 people 500 as cfo phil looks on right over there hoping that you missed this we all hope that you bang it home first attempt last attempt dj attempt. DJ! Oh! Same spot all five times. You gotta make adjustments. Play basketball at all?

That's the jacket. Can you shoot a basketball or no? Yeah, I used to. But not, I mean, that's this is like a half-course shot. Ooh! Where do we have to go for the NFL 3? Right there. NBA 3? Sorry, not NFL 3. But this is NFL 3 because it's move the stick. Yes, and he is the NFL.

Bingo. All you got to do, hold on, DJ. All you got to do is make one of these. Don't. Whoa. Hey, your body language sucks. What is your problem right now? Can we get a little bit of confidence? Can we get a little bit of upbeat?

If move the sticks, Barry. All right. Yeah, there... Alright. I hope we didn't record that because that's going to live on the internet for a long time. The jacket. That's a fitting jacket. There you go. It's a beautiful jacket. Gorgeous. Oh my god.

Tom Ford. It is tailored. I mean, this is restricting. There's no way he was going to make a football. Oh, it takes the air. There's no way he was going to make a football ball. It takes the air. There's no way he was going to make it. Yeah, no more fucking around. This is an NBA 3. You said that, but this is distant.

NBA 3. This is where Dame Doll is shooting from. There it is. Oh, better ball, better ball, better ball, better ball. Maybe untuck the shirt too. No, no, no. Give me one of these. Hey, listen.

We did make those hoops a little bit bigger. So whenever you're shooting this, you should have a better mindset. It's like the Golden State Warriors hoops. They're a little bit bigger. The ball wants to go in. 15 people. $500. If DJ, yup.

Oh. We got a ball. We got a ball. Two more. Two more balls. Two more balls. I like you're going for the bank. Yeah, I love it, actually.

I love it, actually. It's more of a walk. Hey, you find your spot. You don't have to go from here. No. You've been here a couple times. You might be used to it, but let's go somewhere new. DJ, 15 people, $500, who retweet this video, say something nice to somebody.

There it is. Sweet. And put their cash tag in the same reply so we can pay you officially on Cash App. $1,500 winners because the legend that has moved the sticks gets wet from downtown. Hell yeah. Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen, Danny Jeremiah. Danny! Joining us now is our coach, the people's coach. Hell yeah, thank you so much ladies and gentlemen Danny Jeremiah Joining us now is our coach the people's coach Oh, yeah

A man who made us better all season and we can't wait to chat with him about what's going on right now at the combine With the competition committee in the state of the NFL ladies and gentlemen, this man has beat leukemia. Why I think broken fucking back Why heart surgery? Why? And he still just keeps it going. Paisano, coach, we're going. Yeah! Go! Look at that, man.

Oh, hey, you look good. You look good out there. Wow. No, you look great, Pat. The boys. God, I've missed you guys. Hey, we've missed you, too. So good to see you back in the office.

What a day you guys had yesterday. What a day today. Tom Telesco Tuesday. Come on. So good to see you back in the office. What a day you guys had yesterday. What a day today. Tom Telesco Tuesday. Come on. I would have paid. Do you know how much money I would have paid on my vacation to be able to poop my pants? Let me try.

That's free, Coach. You can do whatever you want. Exactly. Do it right there, Coach. It doesn't cost a thing. No. Coach, I legitimately. Sometimes you get to be a certain age and then, you know, you travel a little bit. We went to Mexico, had a blast.

And, you know, sometimes it's, you know, not like normal routine. So I'm proud of you, Connor. Why does traveling kind of affect – now he did it in Indianapolis, so he did not travel. But it does kind of clog you up a little bit. Different bacteria in the water. I did travel that day. No, he did it in Indianapolis, so he did not travel, but it does kind of clog you up a little bit. Different bacteria in the water. I did travel that day. No, no, no, no. But I'm talking about like traveling does seem to-

I always won't poop for the first like four or five days I'm there and then- So four or five days is a little long, but like- And then I'll just destroy a toilet to no end. That's a long time. When you get you some fiber in your diet- No, I got too much fiber, I think. No, no, no. I take a little fiber one thing, mix it in my water. Really?

Four or five days you're sitting on all that fiber? Holy hell, that's Vesuvius day six. South Park. Oh, my. I almost just shit my pants. That's why, like, we had a little extended break right there. I was coming back to do the program after Daniel Jeremiah leaves, and I'm like, wait a minute.

And I had air. I just blew something. I don't know what's going on. I'm coming back to do the program after Daniel Jeremiah leaves and I'm like, wait a minute. It was a and I had air. I just blew some. I don't know what's going on. I'm pretty pumped about it. Does this mean I'm getting thin? We shall see. Your tan looks great. Thank you for coming by mine. Southern Italy. You know what I mean? I'm from Southern Italy so when the sun shines on me I get third degree burns

and then I get tan and then it's going to disappear by next week. So let's enjoy it. You look fantastic. I'm happy you and the wife got to go to Mexico. Hope it was a great trip. Let's talk a little bit NFL football here. Competition committee is presenting a lot of things. We talked to Tom Telesco.

The sling, not the slam. Also, the kickoff and punting stuff is being chatted about. Review stuff is being talked about. How does that whole thing work? And were you ever a part of the competition committee? Do you how it all goes and how real is all these convos and how serious should we take them conversations are all real i was never part of that competition committee during my tenure uh in nd this is really the first you know step in the process as soon as the season's over pat they'll start to gather a bunch of

information. They'll send a survey to all 32 clubs, NFL teams, and coaches, GMs. They'll fill out that survey. They'll start to gather the information from the 2022 season. All the things you're talking about, from player safety, competitive balance, officiating, of course, everything that transpired. They'll start to, you know, formulate a plan, get to Indy, have their meetings in Indy with the competition committee. You know, Rich McKay is the chairman of that. They've got three or four executive vice presidents on that board.

Katie Blackburn, you know, with the Bengals. Stephen Jones is on there. Ozzie Newsom is still on there. I believe they have four head coaches. Four head coaches, Brable, Tomlin. Rivera. I believe Frank Reich and Rivera. Yeah, Ron Rivera.

Those are the four head coaches. And so they'll meet there. They'll leave Indy. They'll go back and they'll reconvene. The competition committee will reconvene. They'll view a bunch of videotape. Again, they'll review everything that they got from the meetings there in Indy. They'll start to draft a proposal, a booklet, if you will, on possible rule changes.

And then once the annual meetings come up here in, you know, I think the third week in March, that's where everybody, they send 40, 50 people from every club, you know, to either the breakers in Florida or they'll go to the Biltmore out there in Arizona. I don't know which one they're on. And so all this will be proposed and they'll vote on it at the annual meetings and see whether it gets passed or not. Third weekend of March, maybe in Arizona. That's great news potentially for what our office maybe has cooking up. That is off-air conversation that just got realized there. That seems like a lot of work for this competition committee. There's still active coaches involved in that.

This sounds like a lot, changing the game. What are their thoughts? Like fundamentally we don't want to ruin the game. We don't want to ruin the league. We got to make it better player safety, obviously, at the forefront of it. Well, how do you think the whole process goes? And that seems like a lot of bullshit to deal with on top of running a team or being a coach of a team, is it? Yeah, I mean, they're always looking to make the game better, make the game safer from all the things that you just mentioned.

You know, first and foremost is player safety. So, you know, this tush push, the quarterback snake, obviously is getting talked about ad nauseum, whether they completely take that play out. What are your thoughts, Chuck? What are your thoughts, Chuck? I don't think you take the sneak out. What are your thoughts, Chuck? What are your thoughts, Chuck? I don't think you take the sneak out of it, obviously, but the amount of people that are sitting there pushing, I don't think you can watch any clip of that thing and say, hey, look, this is a safe play.

You know, Tom talked about it. You get all those bodies. You can't stop it defensively. You just submarine yourself underneath a massive humanity. And then you've got, you know, a 235-pound, 240-pound quarterback. You know, that whole deal where Tom Brady would take the snap, jump, show the ball, drew Brees, grab the ball, put it over the goal line, those type of things. But, yeah, I think at the end of the day it comes down to player safety. I don't think they'll say, hey, look, we're going to do away with the push part of it. But you can't take the sneak out of the game.

It's been in there too long and part of everybody's offense. But, yeah, from an officiating standpoint, the player safety standpoint, competitive balance, replay. You know, they're going to talk again ad nauseum about replay. Yeah, there's no way. Do you guys think there's any way that they ever become that transparent? What is it? The first, it was the second XFL, I guess. Yeah, COVID.

2019, I think. As soon as we saw it, we were really loud and really obnoxious about it. Like, hey, this is what it needs to be. Just Xbox controller, somebody in the booth talking directly to the ref. Let us hear it. Cause this is the same, uh, review process as it was with the second iteration of the XFL. We're on a third iteration right now of the XFL. So we're a big fan of it because it allowed the fan to like understand why a decision was made. Like at least we could hear like, ah, it's inconclusive. We can't really overturn it. We got to go with the balls out here. Like, I think it just gives an answer to people instead of us having to guess why they did what they did. But I think we asked some people of importance at

the NFL on the show and they were like, the NFL is never going to let those conversations be heard publicly ever. Right. And that's kind of what you just said. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah. people of importance at the NFL on the show, and they were like, the NFL is never going to let those conversations be heard publicly, ever, right? And that's kind of what you just said. Is that what you're thinking, yeah? Yeah, I don't think there's any way that they're going to do that. How come? They want to get it right, believe me. I worked in that office.

I was grateful for that opportunity back in 2018, and we all understand just how difficult that job is to officiate, especially in real time. We all got all the answers Monday morning. We slow that thing down. No, no, on Twitter immediately. Chuck, Chuck, Twitter we know immediately. It's so, so, so easy. I mean, even I find myself doing the same thing.

You know, God, that's incomplete. That's a fumble. But I think at the end of the day, they're never going to be that transparent, whether that's right or wrong. Who knows? But, no, I just think they're going to continue to have the conversations. They'll continue to look at the rules. They'll continue to look at what is best for the game and protects

the shield moving forward. And then they'll just keep moving along. And, you know, that whole discussion about full-time officials is going to keep coming up with the issues that we continually have and just keep, you know, they'll vote on certain things and certain things will get passed and then other things get tabled. Everybody leaves the meetings, things that get tabled, and then the owners meet again at another point. And so it's just basically 32 in the league. And, you know, those tough conversations, those tough proposals, those tough rule ideas that they talked about, you know, maybe getting voted on. They decide, you know, whether they get passed or not.

And whether they get passed or not, 130 million people will still watch the Super Bowl. And the world will continue to spin. And the NFL is rigged. And we'll still make 50 million people watch the next week. And it'll just continue to turn and turn and turn, and hopefully they'll get it right. Hopefully the game will continue to get better, and we appreciate everybody's service in making the game better.

It sounds like a lot of bullshit. Connor has a question for you, Chuck. Yeah, Coach. It felt like this year was the first year where it was public knowledge that there's chips in every single football. Is that something the competition committee will talk about? Like, hey, is this the year that we finally get rid of the chain game that's been here for you know 100 years or whatever the hell it is and kind of make it much more efficient especially when it comes to like ruling touchdowns

and things of that nature what was the name of that company sean payton was representing a zebra i believe it was zebra yep yeah okay because of the stripes barcodes ah yeah so yeah yeah because they a few years ago they they came uh at the combine where everything is you know gets introduced and talked about because we had the things pat what was the deals we put in the back gps yeah remember soviet soviet gps is how it was i remember laughing so hard remember we had all those guys sitting in the uh sitting in the indoor you know with the doors up, and they'd have their computers over there tracking everybody.

What did we call it? I forget what we called that thing in the back, but they moved from those, and then they came up with the one chip in the jersey. So next-gen stats and all that could track everybody's steps and things like that. And then they put them in a football but you know whether catapults catapult whether they ever get rid of the chains or not shut up oh catapult thank you yeah that was me that was emmett mcmahon right there hey hell yeah yeah the catapult is what it was used it was what it was called

Hell yeah, man. Yeah, the catapult is what it was used. It was what it was called. Remember when they would come and they had, you know, Hammer would come up to me and he had a paper clip. And they're monitoring. And receivers and DBs are going to run, right? A lot, yeah.

If you decide to play DB or decide to be a receiver in the National Football League, you better be in shape, okay? Number one, you better be able to run really, really fast, and you better be able to run all day and all night. That's just the job description. And then we get the GPS, the catapult, and they start coming to me and saying, okay, look, coach, it's like a red-hot paperclip. He's run 10,000, you know, miles, and that hammy's like that close. We got to pull them from practice like

philip dorsett right i'd be like we're in preparation it's it's a thursday third down in red area the most important day two minute there's a lot of running right and they pull those guys but that's for another day maybe but i mean that's that's that's the hard part of that stuff. No, I think at some point with technology the way it is, shoot, we're coming up with a flying car, apparently, been talked about on this show. I don't want a phone. I'm not like your generation.

I want a flying car. I was told I was going to have a flying car. That's what Jim said. Yeah. I assume he's investing in that long-term, but you're right. That catapult thing, when it was pitched to us, literally, the only thing I remember from the pitch meeting was them saying, Soviet. This is Soviet technology. And I started laughing so hard. I'm like, all right, we're still describing things as Soviet technology. It is 2000-whatever at that point, 13 maybe, 2014. And that was a big takeaway for me. Then they made me invent a terryware. So obviously I'm an asshole.

So I fucking, I was sprinting downhill downwind a couple days just to get my max speed. Then I hopped in a golf cart one day and just started driving in circles. That thing said how far I went until I was actually stripped of my catapult. They said, we're no longer giving you, so you can make a mockery out of anything, obviously, if you're an asshole, which I certainly am. But the data and analytics was fascinating because it was certainly good information to have. But I remember some guys being like, I don't want to know that I just ran five miles because I'm getting in a cold tub right now. I don't need to know like,, oh, I just ran a whatever 510K or whatever. Like, it was an interesting.

Well, how about veteran guys that wouldn't wear it just because, okay, look, I ain't running 19 miles an hour, 18 miles an hour. Now I'm down to 17 miles an hour and it's just going to cost me my job. Yeah, there was a lot of conversation early but now everybody's like yeah yeah so yeah there's always all that stuff about chuck you loved it tracking guys and big fan chuck you loved it oh you loved that thing you know whenever they forced that on you huge fan i did when they started to give me that information i said you better get somebody that can explain this put this in laymanman's terms. What's the other team's load? I loved

Barkley yesterday on Stephen A talking about load management. This guy's going to pay $70 million. He can't play basketball three to four days a week. He says steel workers. They're probably tired, too. We're hiring bums. We're paying bums $200, $300 million. Ty has a question for you, Coach.

Yeah, Coach, in terms of the competition committee, how much difference of opinion do you think there actually is? Because it seems like every year we talk about, hey, they're going to talk about this different stuff, and more often than not, nothing ever changes. Do all these guys just agree on everything, or do they actually have some contentious, heated debates on what is

best for the game moving forward no there's some great conversations ty that take place you know once they all get in the same room at the annual meetings every uh head football coach every general manager uh owners are in there or at least somebody from ownership from every club. And so I've sat in those meetings, and we've had some long, drawn-out discussions. And a bunch of head coaches, GMs, people from the competition committee, they see it the same way. But at the end of the day, you've got to have 24 out of the 32 all see it the same way and be aligned as far as getting things passed. But there's there's a definite opportunity for guys to stand up and voice their opinion. I know that those guys having the coaches, having Tomlin and Vrabel, you know, Frank's on there now.

And Ron Rivera, those guys were always vocal before. And Ron Rivera, those guys were always vocal before. I know Ron was always vocal when he got those annual meetings about everything that was going on in the National Football League. You know, player safety, football ops rules, whatever it was that came down the pipe. But former players, being on what's out both former players that are coaches. I mean, that's a good person to have on the fucking competition committee, I think. No, so when you have them in those rooms, it isn't like Rich McKay and Ozzie and those guys,

they're going to listen to those head football coaches, especially guys that were former players, you know, and have sat in those seats and been in those locker rooms and been through that stuff. And, again, they're trying to grow the game and evolve the game and make sure that it just keeps getting better and better every single year, safer and safer for the players without taking away. You know, we've made the rules. We've had the roughing the passer stuff.

We've had all those discussions. They'll talk about those things again and how we can maybe modify and how we look at that and how we officiate that. But again, at the end of the day, the game was still great. and how we can maybe modify and how we look at that and how we officiate that. But, again, at the end of the day, the game was still great. And to your point, TV money is still coming in. It's always going to come in. Not always. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Chuck.

Can't have that mindset. Can't have that mindset. Somebody's going to catch us at some point, right? Remember Dippin' Dots was going to catch ice cream at some point. You know what I mean? There's always the thought that something's going to come. So I hope they have that mindset. Hope we don't get too arrogant and too egotistical that people will always watch.

But it does feel as if the NFL is at a point where people are always going to watch. Always going to watch. The world is going to continue to spin, especially with sports gambling doing its thing. They're going to fix the officiating thing, though. I hope they do that. Last question for you here, Chuck, from the Paisano Turn Diggs. Chuck, we were just talking to Daniel Jeremiah, and he was raving about Bryce Young, and he was a scout and potentially a front office guy.

And then, obviously, from your side being the coach's side, he talked about how there's going to be some coaches who are like, no, he's way too small. That's's not going to happen how do you feel about that situation and do all coaches have a say in that like if you're a first year coach like shot shot shots pew pew pew like do you have a say as far as who's getting drafted that was weird uh it was him though that was weird hey he was him, though. That was weird. He was being him. That's a tough one to answer, though, because everything is out there now.

You can't even have an intimate conversation with the new head coach and meet some of your players without the guy from the content and social media filming every damn second of everything that's going on. Hey, we posted it. What the fuck? Yeah, you're right. I'm sure it is, but there's a lot of people that have a lot of love for Bryce and the other quarterbacks that were discussed on the show earlier today and that you'll continue to discuss on the show.

Yeah, new head coaches. I mean, Shane Steichen, let's just talk about Shane coming in from Philly. I talked on a different show at a different time about the possibility, okay, you know, was Jim's remarks about, you know, Bryce Young, a smoke screen, you know, was that just – Was he working? Did they talk about? Was it, you know, you know what I'm saying?

Was he, was he already talked? Hey, look, you know, him and Chris got together and say, look, we may throw this out. We may throw that or just happened organically, probably happened organically. Like if I, if I'm guessing Shane Steichen coming from Philly, he got that job because of his offensive play calling, right? The offense that he built, the plays that he called, how he developed Jalen Hurts, how they built around Jalen Hurts, how they got him from last year to this year

and the big jump that he made as an NFL quarterback and all those things. He's not going to change. I wouldn't say he's going to come in, hey, we're going to run something different just because everybody loves Bryce Young. I'm going to go get a guy that looks and can run the similar offense that I just got done running that was, you know, one of the top offenses in the National Football League all year long, can score points, take care of the football, those kind of things,

build around a guy like maybe C.J. Stroud, you know, rather than give away everything to go up number one to get. And you may have to go to number one to get C.J. You know, if you want to guarantee yourself, they may have to give up, you know, one, two, three this year, a 2024 first-round pick to get up there. But they're going to listen to Shane. They'll listen to all the new head coaches. And they're going to want to run the system that got them that job and got them there that they feel they can be successful with. But, you know, that kid's a talented kid.

Like Daniel said, everybody's going to see those guys a little bit different. I know myself. It's a physical, physical league. It's not if, it's when. All those guys, even you get a running quarterback, you know, Jalen got hurt this year, got a shoulder. Justin Fields has been nicked up. All those guys, you know, Josh Allen, we love Josh Allen.

We know he's an alien, everything that he brings to the game. But at some point, they're all going to get necked up at 194 pounds. Whatever it is, we'll find out real soon here if he is, in fact, six foot. If he does weigh 194, 195 pounds, we'll find that out. But somebody's going to go take him, and he's going to fit a certain system. And it seems like he's got a big enough brain. The way he processes and sees the game, that he gets the ball in his hands he knows how to protect himself when he does extend play and it gets outside the pocket he get the ball out of his hand i hope somebody will jump on that

we're only talking about potential number one overall like potential number one overall pitch can get a lot of conversation and it's like the, I guess, that we can say is a drawback to him is a very serious one. Because the best availability, nope, just ruined it. Yep. You get it. Availability. You get it.

Chuck, we appreciate you so much. Yeah, you're damn right. We appreciate the hell out of you, Chuck. We miss you, pal. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagano. Yeah, coach. Yeah, we miss you too. The best ability, boys, is

availability. Amen. And he said everybody gets hurt. That's right. I mean, literally everybody in the NFL gets hurt. I was a punter and I was basically had something every single year to something in their hip or knee, both knees or something like that. Nowhere near as serious as everybody else's injury, so you're going to get injured. It's like, does he have

any, he stayed healthy in college, right? Yeah, he was pretty healthy. For the most part. Shoulder for a little. Is this – I mean, granted maybe – Will Levis, I guess, is the one that we should be thinking about whether or not he can survive. And he has the body type of an NFL quarterback. He had a left shoulder and a left toe this year,

which allegedly affected his accuracy for a lot of plays and turnovers and everything like that. So maybe it's not even fair to do this, but this is certainly going to happen to Bryce all for the next, what, two months. Yeah. Is this magnified because of Tua? Because I feel like when Kyler was coming in.

That's all I think about. Yeah, exactly. And it's hard not to. Because Kyler was bona fide number one pick no matter what, won the Heisman. Bryce Young has won the Heisman. I don't think Bryce Young is the athlete that Kyler was, though, in terms of being explosive.

He's a better athlete than Tua. But. For sure. Allegedly. That is what people, I feel like, haven't really been talking about. Daniel Jeremiah said that. That was a surprising stat that he got the next week's game plan on Sunday. By Monday, he already digested it and had critiques on it.

That's a huge – that's Joe Burrow, right? Yeah. That's why Joe Burrow was able to come in so quick and kind of function. The brain is the most important part of being an NFL quarterback. That's why whenever somebody says something like Orlovsky said something about processing, he's not the best at it. That's a massive deal in the NFL because the brain is the most important thing. I listened to Patrick Mahomes on New Heights, and he broke down recall

of blitzes and how defenses are aligned and everything like that he talked about bill belichick being the reason why he focused on he said his set whenever his first year playing belichick like didn't have a nose tackle and trying to identify the five guys that were down was an impossible task for him and he felt so uncomfortable every single play he was like i have no idea who's coming who's not coming so it became like a full-on i'm gonna learn this this is what i'm gonna learn so now he was talking about his recall like somebody will run something like from three to four years ago he said and then he'll see it and be able to identify it's like that is that that's a separator

there between the nfl quarterbacks that are great and the nfl quarterbacks just play, kind of make some plays and go along. So I think that is a massive piece of information about Bryce Young right there that we should certainly be speaking about a lot more as we go forward in this whole process. Yeah, for sure. But to Chuck's point, too, that's why it almost doesn't make sense for him to go to the Colts either because with what Steichen is doing, you can't see them necessarily. Bryce Young, I don't know if to be the most successful he's going to be, I don't know if running the ball like Jalen Hurts 10 to 12 times a game,

I don't think that's in his bag. It would be weird to think Shane Steichen is going to change his whole offense. Well, he's with Phil Rivers. True. Now, granted, he was just in the Super Bowl with a vastly different offense. Right. And there's a couple of those guys potentially available. Exactly. So maybe Jim Irsay is just working.

But who knows? I mean, especially with Houston. Because if he is working, who's the other team in the division? What if Jim's working Houston? Oh, Bryce Young. We love him. Exactly. We love that guy. One more. That's smart.

Tough little bitch. He's so good. Jim Ursae just living his best life. They will say the story of Jim and Chris during draft, I think that I immediately recall, is them trading up to get Jonathan Taylor. Because they were trying to wait for Jonathan Taylor, wait for Jonathan Taylor.

And Ursae obviously had seen Jonathan Taylor in Lucas Oil Stadium a couple different times whenever he was in college. And Jim said to Chris, we really like that guy out of Wisconsin, right? We really like him. And Chris is like, yeah, we love him, man. We think we're going to be able to get him. And Jim's like, we really like him, right? Yeah, we should go get him. And then a trade happened and bang, we get Jonathan Taylor the next pick.

So Jim does have say, Jim does know ball too. Like this is, Jim played, Jim has been around the NFL literally his entire life. So maybe Jim is working. Maybe. It sounded to me like that was a. That was serious. That sounded like an off, which by the way, great work. Yeah.

If that is the case, that is a great work. That's a great angle. Which is crazy to think about now when you say that, because if that was the thought around Jonathan Taylor and Chris Ballard's already saying, hey, we can trade back, maybe the Colts don't love anybody, or maybe they love Hendon Hooker. Matt Ryan said he's still got good football. True.

So, Anthony Richardson would be perfect then at four. Sit behind Matt. All right, let's run through some things that broke while we did today. Hell yeah. Today was a hell of a show. Great show. Unreal. Flew by.

Three hours right there. Bang. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Remember, we're off tomorrow. That's right. Can't talk about it. Nope. Would love to.

Can't. Once in a lifetime. Actually. That's all you need to know. That's crazy, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Like, tomorrow's a once in a lifetime thing For sure The amount of people

Not a lot of people That's crazy Yeah What a joke Alright Hell yeah Hell yeah dude Let's go

I'm bummed that we're missing a show But on the flip side No no no Not at all Not for what you're doing Very excited Do not be bummed Alright Just to hear like the I can't wait Yeah Well I'm not gonna be able Not at all. Not for what you're doing. Very excited. Do not be bummed. All right.

Just to hear like the. I can't wait. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to be able. People will hear about it eventually. That's kind of the. Yes, this will be talked about at some point. Yeah.

Will be worth it. Just like we told you with the whole Mississippi situation. We said, hey, can't talk about it right now. We will at some point. You'll hear about it at some point. This is the complete opposite. This is like awesome thing happening. Zito told me a lot of people are saying

I'm going on Joe Rogan. Am I going on Joe Rogan? Are you? I mean, that is once in a lifetime. It does have to do with Texas though, right? Not a lot of people have done it. I'm not going on Joe Rogan. What? Yeah, I'm not

Has it something to do with Houston? Do we have a problem? No space Gonna be in the clouds though Elon Musk Are you gonna be the DC of the bills? You know what it is So stop

What are you Why are you all doing what you're doing right now? Why are you all doing what you're doing? I thought that's true Darts on the board You guys know that I'm not able to actually Like I'm legitimately not allowed to I thought that's what we're doing right now. Why are you all doing what you're doing? Darts on the board. I thought that's the way you guys know that I'm not able to act like I'm legitimately not allowed to do it.

I just, you know, it's always fun to dance on a Tuesday. And you know, it is. You see what's going on. Allegedly a lot of purrs today, huh?

We tried our best. It's really, we've really taken a nice turn here to cover our asses. Have we? I don't know. Yesterday in the middle

of me talking about being officially served, I said, in this fucking family, the Murdoch family. Which, I mean, watch that first episode. Same deal. I kind of feel like we're Ricky Bobby, with all due respect. That ain't worse. Oh, that's what you're doing. You're going to Mississippi.

A velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin. Getting it on. Amen. I still think we're in a really good spot with that whole thing. I'm not a lawyer, but anyways, tomorrow's a once-in-a-lifetime thing that I certainly do not deserve. I'm the only one. The boys have not been invited or are not allowed.

Never will be. Which is fine. I will think about you guys down up there. Yeah, I'm going to be very curious about just the entire operation. I can't wait to hear about it. Last night I was laying in my bed, and I'm fucked up with this time zone from Hawaii. Oh, I can't imagine. Jet lag is the worst.

I cannot imagine. Azito coming from Chicago, obviously he's experiencing from Central Time to Eastern Standard Time. It's the worst. Hawaii is a different, that's five hours. Even California affects me. I can't imagine. It's 10 a.m. right now in Hawaii. It's a whole different thing.

And I don't sleep well to begin with, let alone when my mind and body are acting like it's a different time. And then with what's happening tomorrow happening. So it's been a lot of me in, in the pillow and the wife, you know, very pregnant. So she's not sleeping great either. Cause I guess it's tough to get comfortable when you got a human inside of

you. Apparently. Yeah. Women are fucking bad-asses, bro. I am so thankful that we're going through this whole pregnancy process so that I can just the respect level. Not that I,

let's not get crazy. I always had massive respect, but like this whole process has been an eyeopening experience of like, holy fuck. Yeah. What happens for us to continue to be humans by the women, human species is absurd and massive respect shout out sam keep going keep going proud of you sam keep kicking ass sam appreciate you so she's like you know sleeping

for like four or five minutes at a time and then she's up and then she's obviously not happy that she's not sleeping then she's back asleep and then she's rolling over. Yes. Go take a piss. Boom. 15, 16 pisses. Literally a fucking day all of a sudden because the baby's bouncing on the bladder. Then you piss. Is she peeing for two? No.

I don't think so. But what does happen is, I think, and I don't know, it's just my perspective on it. She'll piss and then she gets back down, then baby moves a little bit, and it opens up the bladder a little bit, and then pushes more piss. That's right. Then she's got to get back up and go piss.

I'm like, golly, this has to be so annoying, but obviously so incredible. Have we measured the kicks? Is she going to be a good soccer player? She's active. That's good. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. I saw a clip the other day. I told you guys. I saw a clip the other day of a 14-year-old girl soccer player. Wiggle, shake, great shot. I'm like, okay, so that's possible at the age of 14 in the girl soccer world. All right, so Mackenzie should be on the national team 15 16 years old no pressure obviously if she wants to no she might be pickleball i mean yeah exactly she might be an

astronaut luckily for her fucking rapinoe is still gonna be sending fucking sweet crosses you're right you're 100 right she'll be bending it in there boom uh but none ladies kicking ass we appreciate you sam appreciate the hell out of you. But as I was laying down, I was thinking about what's happening tomorrow. So many questions. Yeah. Just so many, like, how am I going to, you know, because I'm going to have a lot of. Yeah, just the process itself. Like, and how do I not make an ass out of myself?

You know, there's a lot of that because I'm going to be wide open. Like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then Thursday, I mean mean depending on when i get out of there right this is a real thing real thing tbd we will have a show thursday not 100 sure will not be at noon maybe though but it could be yeah we we are not 100 sure because we don't know how it's all gonna 100 will have a show on Thursday. I believe we've got a massive guest coming in studio on Thursday as well. Maybe a couple of them, like massive, massive, massive guests coming on Thursday. So we will have a show on Thursday for sure.

TBD on the time because getting out of said place that I'm going to, I guess it's not just like the easiest thing of all time. Right. But last night I was fucking just like eyes wide open. Midnight, 1 a.m. Oh, you're not going to be able to sleep tonight. I don't think so. No, no, no. I honestly don't think so.

Watched Raw a little bit last night. Awesome. Brock Lesnar had a microphone in his hand for like 10 minutes. Nice. More of that. Love that. Miz is the host of WrestleMania. Yep.

That's a good idea. Love that. Lita and Becky Lynch are tag team champions. Hell yeah. Love that. Pretty sweet. How could you? By the way, Becky Lynch was in Young Rock.

Yeah, she's... That's an L one or the real one? Oh, come on. She's... Who's that lady? I can't remember her name. She's Rockstar. Kristen Wiig.

Back in the day. Mel Mac. Joan Jett. Cyndi Lauper. Boom. Oh, girls just want to Mel Mac. Joe Jett. Cindy Lauper. Boom. Oh, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. Ding, ding. Girls just wanna have fun.

Oh, girls just wanna have fun. That's a banger. Yeah. Did Becky sing it in that song? Did she sing that song? No. It's a shame. All right, a couple things happened while we were live today.

Very excited for it, Maura. Yeah. Pump No. It's a shame. All right, a couple things happened while we were live today. Very excited for Amara. Yeah. Pumped. Adam Beasley just tweeted out. Adam Beasley, the director of original content and strategy for Pro Football Network. PFL. Miami Herald alum has connects out of Miami. He says there's been no decision yet from the Dolphins

on Tua Tongvaloa's fifth-year option per Mike Daniel. Ooh. That's a conversation starter. Wow. Holy hell, what's the future look like down in Miami? Gumps, pal, you don't have a quarterback anymore. Bring in Jimmy G, lads. He's the best.

Jimmy G, who knows McDaniel's offense obviously very well. I assume he would do very well in southern Florida. Jimmy G is a very constant, consummate professional. Hits, slants very, very well with all the speed they have. Trade for Lamar. Lamar going

back to south Florida would be epic. That would be sick. I have no idea if they have enough money to pay Lamar. Or picks. Everything's fake these days. Yeah, exactly. Some news, though, that also broke while we were live. Hey, Tua doesn't come on program.

You know what I mean? Boom. Now all of a sudden. Yeah. Interesting. I didn't. Did I say my daughter's name? No.

You have before. But not today. Not today. No, yeah, you just did. Yeah, you did. But you have before today. You have before. Not today. Yeah, you just did. But you have on the program before today. I have snuck it in a couple times, yeah. Yeah, I just got a text from my wife. I was complimenting Sam

though. Hey, listen, there's a points and system in there. There's a whole thing. It's just like the goddamn lawsuit. Go back and listen to the goddamn lawsuit. What do you want me to do? Go back and listen to the entire clip. She sent me the Jonah Hill gift.

Oh, yeah. War Dogs. Yeah, yeah. He scratched his eyes when he finds out they were $300 million less than the other. Nonetheless, can't wait to see her. Can't wait to meet her. News that broke today. Tom Brady's having a roast on Netflix called The Greatest Roast of All Time.

The groat is happening. Now, we had a groat, the greatest raffle of all time. The groat, the greatest roast of all time will be happening on Netflix, allegedly per TMZ with Tom Brady, who also came out and said that he's looking to do some stand-up comedy. Everybody then immediately buried Tom Brady for not being able to do stand-up comedy. And allegedly out of his close circle of friends, they've been trying to talk being able to do stand-up comedy and allegedly out of his close circle of friends they've been trying to talk him out of doing stand-up comedy

nonetheless I would assume if Tom Brady wants to do something Tom Brady's going to be good at it let's also assume Tom Brady's going to have incredible writers alongside of him that will make Tom Brady funny but nothing has shown us that Tom Brady will be able to deliver a good joke

I'll be excited to see if that's what the GOAT tries to do or is that all just a setup for the GROTE, which is going to have a lot of comedians involved in it. We would assume that is the case. I hope Gronk, as part of his lucrative acting career, gives Tom like five, ten minutes in one of his lucrative acting career movies to deliver Tom's incredible comedic chops. 80 for Brady.

We already have seen the success that has come together of them on the screen together and them working. I'll be excited for that. Congrats to Tom embracing life. A lot of Giselle stuff coming in that group. Yeah, they better hope she's not one of the roasters. I don't think she will be. I think she's still in other countries.

She might be. I hope someone walks up in a gi and just does jiu-jitsu on the floor. That would be awesome. That would be great. That would be great. 80 for Brady. Got a 62 tomorrow. Certified friend.

89 audience. I will say my mother and all four of her friends saw it. And, boy, they said they were freaking pissed. Could not stress how good Sally Field was. Bingo. She was unbelievable. Sally Field just won an award at the. SAG Awards.

Yeah, I didn't know who she was. I thought she was Sally Jessie Rapha. Bingo. Sally Field just won an award at the. SAG Awards. Yeah, I didn't know who she was. I thought she was Sally Jessie Raphael. Sure. So I was going to the bathroom, and they were marketing that coming up on the other side, Sally's going to win an award. Sam was all pumped up for Sally. And I said, Sally Jessie Raphael, I fucking love that lady, dude. Great talk show back in the day.

Sam goes, I don't know who Sally Jessie Raphael is. Almost caused a little bit of a scene in our relationship. She said, that lady, dude. Great talk show back in the day. Sam goes, I don't know who Sally Jessie Raphael is. Almost caused a little bit of a scene in our relationship. She said that lady's name. I didn't know who that lady was. Sam was befuddled that I didn't know who that lady was. A little classic misunderstanding. Sally Jessie Raphael did not win shit. This other lady did.

She won life. Sally Jessie Raphael. Of course. This lady, she was in Mrs. Doubtfire, I learned. Yep. Forrest Gump. She's the wife. She's very good. Oh, yeah. She's a ledge. That's Sally Jessie Raphael at JTM. Of course. This lady, she was in Mrs. Doubtfire, I learned. Yep, Forrest Gump. She's the wife. She's very good. Oh, yeah, she's a ledge.

That's Sally Jessie Raphael right there. She did not win an Oscar or a Sag Award. No. She had great thoughts. Did Brady or Gronk get up for an Oscar? Brady, I think, got nominated for a Razzie. Oh, no. That's despicable.

Is that real? No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. I was about to say. Just guessing. I won worst match of the year for WWE. Yeah, what the hell is that about? What's that all about? Yeah, that's the best part about that. They're packaged together. The people that are voting on it don't know they're a headlamp from a headlock.

That's right. They don't know what they're talking about. Still winning. Now that Tony has put this idea of Brady and Gronk in my mind, what if they did a spinoff of Bad Boys with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence and they called it Good Boys. There's another one of those coming up. There is.

Bad Boys 4. That's right. I never saw the third one. I heard it stunk. No, it was pretty good. What if they did that? I watched Bad Boys 2 the other night on vacation, though. Oh, man, forgot about that.

I think Gronk and Brady should do like a Turner hooch where Gronk is hooch. Or like a Holmes and Watson, like Will Ferrell and John Z. Right on the side. Oh, Desk Pops. The other guys. Oh, that's a great movie. Is that what you're talking about?

I'm talking about Holmes and Watson when they go back in time. Is Mark Wahlberg always mad? What's his deal? I watched him on the Today Show earlier this week. He was very not mad. About discipline. Are you sure he wasn't mad? He had ashes on his forehead. He was promoting fucking peace and a 30-day workout.

He did just sell his house for like $40 million less than what he asked for. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I thought it was $55 million. He bought that thing for like $8 or whatever, and then he built it up. That was beautiful. It's an unbelievable house. Imagine the price of the house if you sell it for $40 million less than what you thought

it would be. Yeah. So I think it sold for like $40. But it was $40 million more. I believe he40. Yeah, he was asking for about $100. Okay. Which makes sense because it's over there in L.A. Yeah, it's got six whole golf courses. Yeah, only two tee boxes.

You've got to worry about the mountain lines. No pickleball. You can play pickleball. It's a sport court. Yeah, I don't see the line. You can play Thunderdome pickleball and there will be a little bit bigger kitchen. NBA in college. I mean, that pool is unbelievable.

It looks like a fucking hotel. It does. What's that logo in the center? Yeah, is that second house just a gym? I believe that's a Celtics logo. Gas quarters. Of course. Best team in the NBA.

He's just always so pissed, it seems like. Yeah, he's fucking Mark Wahlberg. What are we? It's human. Pain in game. Great movie. Two Guns just came out on Netflix. Yeah, I watched it. It was nice. Did you we? Pain in Game. Great movie. Two Guns. Just came out on Netflix.

Yeah, I watched it. It was nice. Did you really? Also watched Van Wilder. Sweet. The new one or the old one? The old one. The original.

Fucking Ryan Reynolds original. You're watching a lot of stuff. I was on vacation. I love that. Just popped on. You watched a little stand-up too. I did. What's that guy's name?

Nate Bargat. Nate Garbats. And? And? What else? Who's that other guy you watched? Yeah. Loved him.

Donald Trump. Just say it. That was not saying enough. Oh. Not a DT guy. Who are you? Who are you for? DS guy.

Obviously, we know. Fucking two-time graduate of an Ivy League school. Okay. Served in the military. Just took back control of his entire state. All right. I believe he broke some news yesterday. Talking about covering Ron DeSantis, our future president. All right. Okay. Served in the military. Just took back control of his entire state. All right. I believe he broke some news. Talking about Governor Ron DeSantis, our future president.

All right. Yeah. Tony, you've really certainly, you know, staked your flag. That's right. Boom. For him a long time ago. Yeah. How about him turn around to that kid?

Take your fucking mask. Take his fucking mask. I'm not doing anything. Well, exactly. Okay, that's how we should end today's show. Yes. There's a lot going on in the real world, dude. It just kind of shows up in my timeline

and there's going to be people that are pissed off about this. I'm just telling you what happened. So the masks aren't real? The masks weren't real? Per the New York Times. But they were on the big mask side. Huge mass. So the mass weren't real.

And then. Per the Wall Street Journal. It came out of a lab. Yeah. I remember we accidentally floated because the internet was talking about, this came from a lab. And we accidentally floated. Like, well, there's people saying this came from a lab or whatever.

I got assaulted on the internet for saying this. Like, don't say something so fucking reckless. And now the Wall Street Journal is saying. That's right. Came from a lab. What is going on, dude? This is a twilight. I feel like we're living in a twilight zone right now.

Everything we were told and attacked now the complete. Yep. What's that all about? Yeah. What's the deal? It's interesting to see the responses now that there's a different owner of Twitter. Because it does feel like, you know, it pops up on your timeline. It's very present on my timeline.

Well, of course, because the way you speak. Sure. Absolutely. It's not very present on my timeline. Yeah. My timeline is still awesome. Sports. Yep.

In my world. But whenever things would make their way into my timeline, that's like how I would judge, oh, this is a big fucking deal. The whole mask and lab thing has really torpedoed into the timeline. And I'm reading it. I thought it was a fake. I thought it was a figace. No. Because who's coming from Wall Street Journal and New York Times?

It's an opinion column, yeah. The mask? Yeah. What about the lab? I don't know that. That was an investigation by the Energy Department. Yes. That was written by Kyle Cathcart.

Yeah, that could have been. Because he said. That's what I thought I was reading, bro. I thought I was reading like Gumpy changed his name on Twitter, paid the eight bucks to get the blue check. Right. I was told it was Batsuit. That's what I thought I was reading.

And then I clicked on it. I'm like, this is a legit, this is actually this, I think, wild times. We'll just continue to fucking live. Hell yeah. Hopefully. And we'll be back Thursday. That's right. Maybe at noon, maybe not.

Maybe. You know who's going to be Ron's running mate, right? All right. Who's that? It's fucking Woody Harrelson. It's going to be the greatest ticket of all time. I thought Woody was running with Kid this year. Woody said he's a redneck hippie, so he is actually purple.

He's not red or blue. He's right down the middle just like me, and I respect that. All right. America, Tony. I don't even know if any of us know what right down the middle even means. Specifically you. But I do respect it. I do appreciate it.

We'll continue to be a forum for conversation. Let Tiger make his jokes, okay? And a forum for thoughts. You know what I mean? That's what we'll... You. What did he say? I did see you fire that tweet off.

How good did Tony feel whenever he fired that tweet off? Went to my wife, went to my mom. They agree with me. They're both women. Boom. I asked my baby, too. She was cool with it as well. You've got all generations.

Yep. There's people pissed about that, bro. Yeah. There's people real mad about Tiger doing that. Just juvenile. Just sexist juvenile jokes. Oh. I was like, what the hell

are we talking about? Yeah, when he passed the little tampon. Yeah, yeah. We're not allowed to have friends, have fun with your friends. So if you think that you can, then you should just shut up and sit down. And if you want to do it on a golf course, then you should have your hands cut off and you'll never be able to play golf again. I was confused

by the, but I'm not a woman, I guess. Yeah, but I pulled them. 100% of the people that I pulled, which we do have to keep an eye on for polls. That's like one of the things you – yeah, here's tons. Love you, Tiger Woods. Everyone offended stinks. There's no way real people were offended. Only fake Twitter offended, which is also a problem.

Yeah. Because there's a lot of people that just grandstand on the internet, but then they probably live much worse in real life. Or don't care. Never saw it. Just saw that, you know, it's like, oh, people are pissed about this. I might as well weigh in. I'm pissed too, actually, now that I come to think of it.

Me too. Yeah. Fuck this shit. This is bullshit. Sorry, guys. What? I'm not. And I think you guys are both dumb for thinking that way.

Wow. Well, you're wrong forever. Nope. I'm right. No. Yeah. You're a bad person. Well, like, do you think people would have been okay with it if tiger would do a political debate real quick we were right in the middle of it but go on if tiger would have walked by i mean like hey justin you're a fucking pussy do you think you think people would have hated that or was it just because the tampon came out? So mad. So mad, dude.

I know. The world is an interesting place. It is. It's crazy. We're getting sued. And tomorrow is going to be one of the best days of all time. Hell yeah. So I'm going to try to enjoy it.

We'll be back Thursday. Time TBD. We will be live Thursday. Yep. Amen. Great show today by Daniel Jeremiah, sinking a foot on the line, long two-pointer. Boy, I'm going to have to watch

to see if that first shot might be up for a worse shot in the history of this. A fitted suit. Absolutely. It's very hard to shoot in those. His throws all hit the same. Why didn't he adjust at all? I was so flustered by him not adjusting. I don't know. You told him

the key to success before we went on. You just got to hit the middle of the net. Just throw it as hard as you can right at the center. It will fall in. One of the holes will get hit. If you overshoot it, guess what? It will bounce back into one of those. Yep.

Play that App State, not USC, guys. I mean, come on. Mountaineers are great. It's great form, for the record. Guy looks like Clay Thompson up there. That's a two. That's a long two. Worst shot in basketball.

Yep, worst one in the game. If it goes in, it's a good shot. My eyes. I agree. My eyes, a good shot. Follow-up? I wish he didn't do that. shot. Follow up? I wish he didn't do that.

I do love the at Cole Haan, by the way. That's a good at. Cole Haan had great shoes. I don't know if they still do. Guys that had Nike deals, it was a part of the website they could go to to utilize their Nike fund that they were given. It was like Nike stuff. Is it Nike Air Max technology for Cole Haan?

Yeah, that was the, so they were similar. I don't know if they had partnership or same company. So guys would spend like, they had Nike golf, Nike stuff, and then Cole Haan. So guys who had Nike deals would just come with like four pairs of fucking fresh Cole Haan's full Nike golf kit, and then just hoodies and shorts. And that was their entire Nike deal. They were like, I'll wear Nike gloves. I don't care.

Give me some Cole Hawns. Give me some hoodies. And then that ended. I don't know what happened. I think they've since separated. Did Cole Hawn branch out? I think so. I'm not 100% sure.

They're still the leader in those type of shoes. No, Steve Nash wore those one shoes. Remember? Before he became a coach, we saw him on the internet. He was crossing people up in a suit. Do you remember those shoes he was wearing? How many years has he played in the NBA? 18?

Like 18 or 19. Yeah. That was one of the greatest moments in the history of this program. So funny. Steve, thank you for joining us. I'm going to do a little research on you before I talk to you, okay? 18? You played 18 years in the fucking NBA?

Yeah. So good. While he was drinking a coffee or whatever. He was very cool. Yeah, what are these shoes? Wolfenstein. Those are the Gronk. I think those are the Gronk.

He wears the same shoes, I believe. Dude, he was crossing people up in these shoes. I could be wrong. Might have to get some. Could be. This could be a part. Is he still coaching? What's he up to?

No, he got axed. And the new guy got a full deal. And then they trail lay all the good players. Yeah, we were just talking about this. They were like 17-3 in December and January. Had like one bad week. And Kyrie said, you know what? Fuck this.

I'm out of here. Yeah, what happened there? And then now Dallas not good? No, they're not. But that was kind of expected. Well, by us noobs who don't know me, is there enough basketball for Kyrie and Luka to be on the same team? That was my first question.

Bingo. They'll figure it out. That's what they're saying, but I don't think that's the case. The West, I mean, right now. Braun's hot. The Lakers are done. Bingo. And they're really talking about how shitty the West is,

and it's setting up for a Clay, Steph, you know, run to the championship again. No, thanks. I don't want to see that again. Why? I do. What are you talking about? No, Denver. I want Jokic to fucking win a championship. That would be cool.

I love that guy. Sign me up. I love watching him play. Bro, do you see all the bruises on his arms? Yeah. This guy's just getting his shit kicked out of him. He's just doing triple doubles every night. Doesn't care.

Gotta cut your nails. That's bullshit when you play against someone that doesn't cut their nails. Are they doing that on purpose? That's a real basketball thing. Someone's D'ing you up and they don't cut their nails. It's a fucking problem. You never know. That's what five time does.

Yes, exactly. Five time. Jerry V? Yeah. Hey, he posts clips of pickup basketball. I respect how hard he goes down there. He has not played in any of the games I've played in. The games I've played in, his little head is getting bounced off the floor.

You need to cool it, Gary. He hard fouls people. Oh, yeah. I respect the way he plays. Like, listen, people say I'm going to foul that guy. Gary does. Oh, yeah. Gary's a fouler. He gets into it. I respect and way he plays. Listen, people say I'm going to foul that guy. Gary does. Gary's a fouler. He gets into it.

I respect and appreciate that. I don't think I've ever played in a game that was like the way that the games he plays in, though. No, you do that to the wrong person, they're going to fucking knock Gary's teeth out. So he needs to just realize that. As soon as that happens, your immediate thought is, okay, now I'm in a fight. I'm going to fucking kill this guy. That is an immediate... No, no. As soon as you foul somebody like that, your

thought should be, oh, okay, now I made this decision. Now we're going to get a fight. I think Gary's ready for it. Nobody wants it. I think that's the case. He's also talking shit to guys who miss a layup, and he's telling them, I'm going to put that on my fucking IG right now. Fucking clip that.

Fucking put it up. Put it up. He actually does that. He dunks on you. He did. He dunks on you. Yeah, he did. But also,

Did you watch this Parsons dunked on him? Bob Parsons, a PXG goal. What? Are you? What is this? What is this guy? Sorry, Bob. Great moment. If you want to go back and watch a moment,

Connor gets a question for self-made billionaire. 45 minutes in. Vietnam. I have no idea who this fucking guy is. I'm sorry. This is what Boston Connor asks self-made billionaire, owner of the Phoenix National Club, which is like the second most exclusive golf club in the world.

Not the home of the Waste Management Tournament, where you see people throwing beers onto the green. Which is fun, like his course is. Of course, his course is a great time. This is Boston Connor's attempt at asking a self-made billionaire question and complimenting him mr parsons after everything with you know the golf course how did the waste management and getting people there for you know like tour events happen he said arizona's become a home for golf yeah have you been a part of that whole build out and how have you been able to feel it especially with how big this waste management tournament has become in the pgsa you know i i haven't done much although i will tell you it is incredibly good he's not looking at me here by the way he's looking at someone else he did look at me again and uh that is scottsdale national that's our busiest time of year. And a lot of our members are all over there.

But, you know, I'm I would only go over there if I was chasing women. Great answer, Garnt. It's only the second time people have seen it. Oh my God, bro. What is it?

What is it? I think I would have gotten up and fucking ragdolled. Oh, yeah. And for the record, by the way, Gary V. If Gary's acting like he's not going to feel like he won the Super Bowl if the Jets ever win the Super Bowl. All right, let's run that clip. So what he's talking about.

I would like, yeah, yeah, let's dive into this because Gary's the one that's. You had quite a fucking week. Yeah, I couldn't speak for the first half of it, too. Fucking stupid voice. Did you ask Carrot Top about doing magic, too? I think I asked Carrot Top about doing meth. No, I called him a magician. First question.

I don't really do magic. Prop comment. I'm a comedian. Oh, of course, of course. Yeah, I fucked that one up. That was on me. But Carrot Top. Well, how are we supposed to know?

Everyone out there is a magician, god damn it. Basically. Gary Vee's a magician. God damn it. Basically. Gary Vee's a magician. Adele is not doing any magic out there. Except for with her voice. And with a couple others. All right, let's get out of here. This show sucks.

We appreciate you. We're off tomorrow. Wild day tomorrow. We'll be talked about probably in the life. Doc, book, whatever. whatever what maybe not the doc yeah no just because not allowed yeah this is bananas what's going on let's get the fuck out of here i'm done with the show today's show was great yep we appreciate tom we appreciate uh daniel jeremiah we appreciate the hell at chuck begano for joining us, and we appreciate all of you for allowing us to do everything that we do for a living.

This is dumb. Hell, yeah. It is a joke of a life, and we're very grateful for it. Get in on the $1,500 winners from Daniel Jeremiah draining the longest two-point shot that has ever been made in this Thunderdome. Hell, yeah. Thank you, boys. Incredible day today.

We'll see you on Thursday. Goodbye.