The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 859 - Derek Carr Signs With The Saints, NFL Combine Recap, Ian Rapoport, AQ Shipley, Dr. David Chao, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys recap the NFL combine, who made themselves the most money, who impressed, plus they react to all the different franchise tags from today, and the news that Derek Carr has officially signed with the New Orleans Saints. Joining the progrum to chat about the Derek Carr news, what that means for the Jets’ QB search, Derrick Henry allegedly being shopped by the Titans, what’s going on with Lamar Jackson, and more is NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport (20:09-48:21). Later, 12 year NFL veteran on the offensive line, Super Bowl Champion, host of In the Trenches and the Bobbled Exchange, AQ Shipley joins the show to explain why offensive line drills at the combine are useless and should de done away with (1:12:58-1:39:39). Later, former NFL doctor for the San Diego Chargers, member of Sports Injury Central, the Pro Football Doc, Dr. David Chao joins the show to chat about injuries at the combine, his career as a doctor for an NFL team, his advice for Tua, if he was the one who drove the golf tee into Tyrod Taylor’s lung, and more (2:01:43-2:18:56). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this overreaction Monday, March 6th already, 2023, this sports show starts right now. Day! Is something that's going to be taking place to a lot of players' contracts this week as the NFL and their teams attempt to get under the salary cap by next week, March 15th to be exact, is the start of the new league year. Tomorrow is the deadline for the franchise tag. All eyes are on Danny Dimes and Lamar Jackson on that front.

It was an incredible sports weekend. John Bones Jones is back, made quick work to become the heavyweight champion of the world. There was an incredible golf tournament that took place down in Florida for Arnold Palmer. Travis Kelsey hosted Saturday Night Live and absolutely crushed it. We saw appearances from his brother and an offensive lineman from the Kansas City Chiefs. I forget his name. Creed Humphrey. He was also in there.

And most importantly, the Combine took place right here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana. And there were some players that made millions and millions of dollars with their performances on the field in Lucas Oil Stadium we'll be chatting about all that plus we have a stacked lineup of guests Ian Rappaport will join us in about 17 minutes he was boots on the ground all week last week at the combine what was he hearing there's a lot of free agents starting to chitter chatter

Derek Carr just signed with the New Orleans Saints via Diana Rossini. Yeah, there you go, Derek. Baby. Congratulations to Derek Carr being a New Orleans Saint. Remember, he took a visit down there for a couple days. They couldn't figure out the contract. Then the Raiders let him go before the designated $40 million guarantee. He was having meetings here in Indianapolis with numerous teams.

Allegedly was leaning towards the Jets. That was a lie. He is now signed with the Saints. They got their guy. Congratulations, Derek Carr. He is now signed with the Saints. They got their guy. Congratulations, Derek Carr, finding another home with a good team. Yeah. Awesome. With a good team.

So what will the Jets do? What will the Niners do? Allegedly Brock Purdy surgery has been scheduled for Wednesday. It is a go. Will they still look into a veteran quarterback? And what's up with Trey Lance? All of that with Ian Rappaport and more. A.Q. Shipley will join us.

Obviously the host of In the Trenches and Bobble Exchange. What did he see from the offensive linemen at the combine? And Voorhees, USC guard, tears his ACL during the on-field workouts. A.Q. Shipley, what are your thoughts on the offensive line on-field workouts? Can't wait to hear that out of him. And then we'll be joined by Dr. David Chow. Okay. Let's go.

He's been to over 20 combines. He'll be able to allude to what, explain what Ian Rappaport was alluding to in a pain tolerance test he tweeted about. Then an NFL official told him, it's not a pain, excuse me. No, no, no. We don't run pain tolerance tests. We run standard physical examinations, and this is

how this goes. Dr. David Chow would talk to us about that, and also probably some Purdy stuff and other injury news. Can't wait to chat with him. I believe this is his first time on the program? I believe so, yeah. He's got a big brain. He's got a lot of experience. He's been to over 20 combines, worked in the NFL for like 17 years,

also worked on the U.S. Olympic Committee and for the WWE. So this dude knows what he's talking about. Can't wait to chat with him. Should be an incredible Monday. The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. Ty, how are you feeling, pal? I feel great. I feel great.

Whatever bug I may have had has subsided. Great sports weekend. It really was. The weather was also pretty nice. I had a little pep in my step when I came in today. It just felt good. It felt like spring is here. Pump the brakes on that.

We're probably going to get some more weather. But for the time being, we've got a lot of great sports. It really is. For football being over, it's kind of one of the most exciting times of the year. It really is. Yeah, this is Massacre Week, so there's a lot of NFL news. Combine Week, there's a lot of NFL news. And when it comes to other sports showing up, UFC showed up.

Yeah, awesome. That was a great card. Yep. Great card. I didn't see all the fights. I understand we got a new flyweight women's champion out of Mexico. Congratulations. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable performance, Grasso. One mistake. That's all it takes. Especially when you're in that cage. That's right. That's exactly what happened. To a tee. That's what Jon Jones did. Jon Jones too. Excuse me.

Go to sleep. Good night. I'm a champ and everybody shut the fuck up. He's amazing. Unbelievable. I can't wait for this reign as night. Gotcha. I'm a champ, and everybody shut the fuck up. All right? He's amazing. Unbelievable. I can't wait for this reign as heavyweight champ. I enjoyed hearing Dana White say, when you're negotiating and dealing with Jon Jones, it's like you're dealing with an artist. So I don't want to make any promises of what's next or how it's going.

Stipe, obviously, was called out for International Fight Week, which I believe is in July or in June. That's in Vegas. Is that going to take place? He didn't get a lot of damage, but he did go through a full fight camp right and everybody just assumes you know the fight was pretty easy gosh probably fighting like a month or two it's like he just went through like three months of just grueling misery not his fault that the fight didn't go that long at all there's a lot of people thinking that it was actually thrown yeah a little bit like all zero game through that thing it's like just wait i think a lot of these heavyweights are about to experience what the light heavyweight division

had to experience for a long time it's just like bones is longer than you good good hands good hands oh wow it's back it's just bigger you know it's got a lot more surface area that's why i like it because you can you know i'm a two forehand guy right so there's probably pickleball people saying oh i'll just attack his backhand. Don't worry about it. This thing's quick over here, and it's coming back with some juice. You think this one's pretty good, which it is pretty solid. I get this fucker over here, bang, been doing the ping pong a long time.

So kind of my go-to. But anyways, Black Ace, you're going to have to chill right over here. Bones is bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled than you. Yeah. It's awesome. I'm so happy that he's back fighting that was a blast to lead up to it all and then just you know he gets kicked in the dick what five seconds into that whole thing right away and i'm like wondering he said he fell a little bit

uneasy on his feet or whatever to start that thing at the new weight because he's visibly much bigger than he's ever been but as soon as he took him down with ease i was like oh this he was able to just get him down like yeah very easily it's like okay because in ufc we're not the um we don't we don't claim to be experts no not at all we don't claim to be experts watch the fights watch the fights don't claim to be an expert but normally people struggle there's not normally but there's times where people struggle to get the person down it's like oh gonna be a long day if that's how you're going to shoot and you're not going to be able to get them down. He wrapped his arms around that guy one time, and it was just like, boom, right through the ground.

It's like, oh, John Jones is much more powerful than this guy thinks. And I don't think the heavyweight division is going to be a problem for John Jones. Stipe's last fight was a couple years ago. He got knocked out. Stipe said he's right back in there. Congrats to Stipe. A lot of people are saying Stipe looks scared or whatever. It's like Stipe just saw like $7 million probably, $5 million just run through his.

I guess I'll come try to beat his ass. I guess that's what I'll do. I'll fight the greatest fighter of all time in his second fight back as heavyweight champion. Yes, I'll do that. We're pumped Stipe is going to be back in action. That was a great thing. The golf. Man.

Yeah. Unreal. I mean, call me. Hey, so Sunday, turn on that golf because you're action. That was a great thing. The golf. Man. Yeah. Unreal. Hey, so Sunday, turn on that golf, you know, because you're just kind of having a Sunday afternoon. You're lounging. The weather is nice, but did you have enough time to prepare any outdoor activities? Probably not. Is there golf courses open anywhere?

Not really. Is any pools open? No. But the sun is shining. It's a glorious day. Let's go outside, hang out. Let's go back inside. What are we doing?

Oh, we're turning on golf. This Arnold Palmer Classic, when it came down, this thing was glorious. And Kurt Kitayama, who I did not know existed, I had no clue that he was even a golfer. No idea. Dog. Oh, yeah. Beast. Absolute dog.

Look at that leaderboard. McElroy, Scotty Scheffler, Jordan Spieth, obviously Patrick Cantley. Hovland is interesting to watch play golf. Even more interesting, Hatton is hilarious. They need to mic him up more. He's pissed about everything. Oh, yeah. There's thousands of people standing around him.

He does not care. He's having a conversation with himself. And then old Johnny English? Harris. Yeah, you get it. Goes by Johnny English. Okay, so is that real? No, was that his name? Yeah, you get it. It goes by Johnny English. Okay, so is that real? No, but that's a good nickname. Great movie.

Nonetheless, Mr. English, it was great golf. Fights were fantastic. The combine was great. To your point, Ty, thank you, sports, for a weekend. Thank you. Thank you. We were worried. Now, XFL happened, and obviously we're trying to watch that as much as possible. They're going to have to go through the same stuff that most of these spring leagues have to go through,

which is quality of play is what you're going to have to battle and compete against, especially when there's guys that are 6'4", 244 pounds, jumping 40 inches with four fours, and then videos are surfacing of them doing through-the-leg dunks when they're there. It's going to be tough to watch the xfl whenever you're seeing guys that are six foot four 240 run four threes and four fours and then turn that on now that's just going to be difficult this dude boston connor this dude oh yeah one half of the hammer died cowboys tone digs just like we said on friday this dude stole the weekend didn't even run straight probably could have been uh much faster but his build the way he threw the ball i was incredibly impressed

by we all know the physical specimen that he is and we knew that he was going to be off the chart statistically that's like the best broad jump that the combine's ever seen out of quarterback best vertical leap that combine's ever seen out of quarterback best 40 that the combine's ever seen out of quarterback. Best 40 that the combine's ever seen out of quarterback. And then his deep balls were going 60 yards with a flick of the wrist. I mean, right in the bucket. That's a 60-yard ball right in the bucket. Shout out to that wide receiver also making a catch. And then people are talking about, well, his intermediate throws are the problem. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. I saw a lot of great things out of this man. I think there was one or two misses that he had,

but nobody's judging the wide receivers in this whole thing. Everybody's just assuming it's always the quarterback, always the quarterback, always the quarterback. It's like they have no timing with them. And also, if you're watching that thing as close as we all were, especially if you're on a team that needs a quarterback, there were some drills where these wide receivers were nowhere near running the right routes cone would tell you where we need you to get to they would cut that thing off four to five yards short and then obviously they'd be early to their spot

and then all of a sudden anthony richardson doesn't hit him and they're like well they look at i can't throw behind it's like well he's throwing a guy he's never thrown to and also that guy was literally drawn they drew cones and he was nowhere near the cone wide receivers. Jackson Smith and Jigba is maybe the most natural catcher that we've seen in a long time. He missed all of last year with a hamstring with Ohio state. There's a lot of rumors coming out. Like he could have played. Could he play?

Is he opting to sit out pretty much, but they don't want to word it that way. And Jamar chase sat out. Others have sat out. I was excited to see him back on a football field. This dude is immaculate at catching footballs. He's the number one wide out on everybody's board for good reason. He didn't run the 40. He did run the three cone drill. He did perform in all the practice on field drills. There was some real spectacle out there. CJ Stroud, Jackson Smith and Jigmas College quarterback, he put on a spectacle. He's an absolute dog, this guy. He did not run a 40 either, maybe because he didn't want to be running next to Anthony Richardson and ran a 4-4. That's

probably the right decision to begin with. C.J. Stroud, though, the way he was pinning balls onto these dudes, he's never, like, they got to catch that. That counts as a drop, obviously. He was putting balls right on top of dudes. And it's like he drops it in the bucket to places. He said, again, that his favorite quarter, like that right there, that dude was nowhere near the rock. Go back to that if you could just rewind a little bit, Foxy. Like, this dude probably thinks he's a little bit slower than other wide receivers play.

So he goes nowhere near, right? Like Jackson Smith and Jigba goes all the way there. So he's probably getting out there much faster. Now, CJ Stroud was able to catch up, but there's a couple throws that happened where the quarterback wasn't able to catch up and was thrown out of bounds or thrown behind or thrown high and people are blaming the quarterback. It's like, yo, let's look at the, let's look at the guy or there's cones. Yeah, there's, we the guy. There's cones.

We can actually see what's going on. All in all, incredible, phenomenal weekend. Another wide receiver to keep your eyes on, Bryce Ford Wheaton out of West Virginia ran a 4-3-8. And everybody on the internet that fucking talks about running 40 said, this guy's form was terrible. He stood straight up. Probably could have ran a 4-2. Now, I don't love that we got a guy who can run a 4-2 and we didn't win a lot of games last year let's throw the ball to him more but the fucking combine put on a show this weekend i'm very thankful for it yeah a lot of times too like if you're just watching it's like well who cares they're you know there's no pads there's

no pass rush it's not that impressive i mean daniel jeremiah who came in here whose life is the draft said he's never seen anyone have such a good throwing performance like C.J. Stroud. And then you talked about it. Anthony Richardson, every single thing he did was like, holy shit, this guy's unbelievable. And, you know, maybe it is. Yeah, there's other guys who have done some of the stuff he's done. Not really.

No one's ever jumped as high as he has as a quarterback. Jumped, ran. 4-4, yeah, the three-cone. It really was unbelievable. And then when you look at how the NFL is built now for quarterbacks, it's like this dude can do everything that the game kind of is asking of these guys like when you look at the colts who are obviously looking at a quarterback it's like man you get a guy who's mobile who they really haven't had in the last ever right they're really the colts never have

matt ryan can move yeah that's true and so could andrew luck but these dudes are just absolute freaks don't put matt ryan and and Andrew Luck's mobility in the same sentence ever again. Matt Ryan cannot move. Andrew Luck was a dog. Andrew Luck, very similar to how Josh Allen used to run, to be honest with you, took way too many shots, was not as fast, I guess, as Anthony Richardson, but he was a runner. He was an absolute runner, was a mover. He got beat up a lot. Now that's the difference between some other running quarterbacks.

They don't seem to get beat up as much. But Shane Steichen, our new head coach, what he was able to do with Jalen Hurts, it's hard not to watch this video and just think like, yeah, Steichen will, that's Anthony Richards, that's quarterback right there. 6'4", 240. Pretty casual.

You just think to yourself like, okay, if they're good coaches, which we've been told that they are, with how athletic this guy is, with how his throwing mechanics seem to be, he was able to make throws to people he's never played catch with before in his life, both deep balls, intermediate balls, short balls, he was able to do it. It's like, could you not turn this guy into what Jalen Hurts was? And remember, Jalen Hurts, first year didn't play that much, Carson Wentz, right?

And then he played a little bit. Second year, they were wondering, can this guy make it into the NFL? This past year, they're like, is Jalen Hurts going to be able to be a guy or is he going to get cut? That's how the Eagles go. Jalen Hurts worked on his deep ball, worked on his throne, worked on everything. He became a guy. They're in the fucking Super Bowl.

So is Anthony Richardson going to be Patrick Mahomes next year automatically? No. But does this guy showcase everything that you could possibly want in a guy that could be running your mobile quarterback offense? Yes. And there was a lot of people on the internet, and I love that these people exist. Because these people have to exist for common sense to reign.

Oh, he threw it to a guy with nobody covering him. It's like, yo, it's the fucking combine. Exactly. What are we even? Are you going to talk about the guy that just caught a ball with nobody covering? For the running backs, guess what? Those pads can't actually tackle them. So are you going to talk about, oh, he's able to make a cut whenever there's nobody fearful

of getting tackled? It's like, this is what the combine is. Yeah. Anthony Richardson showed up and did everything that he possibly could. CJ Stroud showed up, did everything he possibly could. A lot of the wideouts showed up and did everything that he possibly could. C.J. Stroud showed up, did everything he possibly could. A lot of the wideouts showed up and did everything they possibly could. I think it was all up, up, up, up for everybody that participated in the combine. And there's always

going to be detractors. And does this necessarily mean that they're going to be great in the NFL? No. But there was a lot of shit out there that if you're looking at a guy, you're thinking to yourself, boom, that could be my NFL guy. And I loved that there was a lot of participation. I love the vibes all weekend i like that nfl had a bunch of ex-players on the field that was like the biggest

nfl plus push i've seen ever out of that whole thing i enjoyed the combine a lot i think they did it well and i think trajectory is like this for the old tights olympics oh yeah it was awesome the whole weekend was awesome uh Trajectory speaking, Anthony Richardson went from plus 10,000, number one overall, to plus 500. Just 9,500 points. Bryce Young's still a favorite. He's like minus 200 and then CJ Stroud

and then Anthony Richardson. But to your point, guys like Anthony Richardson, does he have to be the best thrower in the class? No, because if they use him right, and hopefully he goes to somewhere where they do use him right, and they go. Like the Colts. Yeah, goes to, well, maybe them.

I don't know if they use their players right or not. No, Shane Steichen, we got a whole new, hey, whole new building. Whole new, whole new building. You don't have to be the best player or the best thrower in your draft class in the NFL if you're facing eight-man boxes all the time and you're facing man coverage all the time because that's how defenses have to play you.

And then, yeah, they talk about the window throws in the NFL and stuff like that, but when you watch like Jalen Hurts and the Eagles play, they're facing man defense a lot. A lot of those drags against man, those long routes coming all the way across the field, and you only got one person that can cover them due to the box having to be packed, which is a great point on the tone.

It's tough to keep up with NFL wide receivers. So all of a sudden, the bucket becomes a lot. Will he miss? Yes. Is Derek Carr an accurate quarterback? Yeah. Is that what all these people on here? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he's accurate. Okay. Well, he misses 15 yards left. That's a pick instead of a touchdown. Like, there's people are going to miss. This is going to happen. Obviously, there's the Patrick Mahomes who can put a boom. And there's the Aaron Rodgers. What's going to happen with him now that Derek Carr is

signed with the Saints? That means New York Jets are wide open, or is it the Green Bay Packers? Or is it going to go to the Raiders? There's guys that can put a ball like this. Joey Burrow can put a ball like this. Josh Allen has learned. Exactly. Like over three, four years how to put a ball like this.

But I think a large majority of the guys are throwing that have the, you know, the other aspect of the game that the current NFL is kind of looking at and has. It's like their windows are a little bit bigger because the routes are different. The defenses they're playing are a little bit different. And I think all the guys that threw, Bryce Young, 5'10", 204 pounds, heavier, I guess, than he normally would be. But 5'10 ten was alarming in some people's eyes i thought that was just understood yeah known i said it last week like oh this guy's

510 this guy's 510 he's 510 i actually asked somebody you worried 510 5 and then i guess when it came out that it was 510 people were like did not expect it to be 510 i was like i thought this was just universally known he was 510 he was also standing next to anthony richardson and cj stroud cj stroud big guy henan hooker was around too i appreciate the fact that he was on the field even though he was not throwing or participating because he had that acl surgery he is projected to be back by the beginning of the season but all in all massive smashing success i think out of the combine and i appreciate all boys that participated out there for our entertainment purposes and that's's Noble. That is Noble. You just took the words out of my mouth.

Noble crushed it. And it was great to see some of the – How about all the different costumes? Yeah, it was unbelievable. They had – I mean, it's what Noble does. They are Noble. But you said having all those former players out there on the field, someone's got to get to MJD.

I love the guy. I really do. Let's move along. I need him to stay. I really do. Let's move along. I need him to stay alive on this planet. Let's move along. We all love everybody that was out there. Taylor LeJuan looks unbelievable. How about that mullet with those teeth?

Did he get his teeth? He got new teeth, yeah. Okay, he looks – Oh, his face is chiseled. His hair looks amazing. He is stropping, and he has all those cool tats. Good wardrobe always. Taylor's crushing right now.

Oh, yeah. He's a free agent. Where will he go? As is Will Compton. We're pulling for both you boys. And also all the free agencies. Quick news here before we get to senior insider for the NFL on. Tony Pollard has officially been franchise tagged by the Dallas Cowboys.

We thought this was going to happen. We knew that Tony Pollard and the Dallas Cowboys had We thought this was going to happen. We knew that Tony Pollard and Dallas Cowboys had enjoyed each other. There was no way that Dallas Cowboys, especially with what Mike McCarthy has seen him do, and Mike McCarthy's taken over play calling duties going forward, there was no way he was going to let Tony Pollard out of the building. He was the spark for them whenever they needed. Now, Ezekiel Elliott also in the backfield. What are they going to do for that whole thing with what he's getting paid, what they're not getting paid? $10.09 million is going to Tony Pollard. His first

big payday, although I assume he was expecting a lot more. Let's hope that comes next year. Congrats to Tony on getting $10.1 million guaranteed. Guaranteed if he signs it. That means tight end Dalton Schultz will hit free agency after

being tagged last year. Okay, so there's a lot of conversations taking place about free agents and franchise tags. Joining us now is the senior insider for the NFL, the network the NFL owns, the website the NFL owns, and the streaming platform that was promoted all weekend, NFL Plus. Host of the Insiders on any podcast network. I'm not saying that stupid fucking thing that they put together. And a host of the weekly wrap-up of the Rap Sheet and Friends. That's being a friend. He'd be in a rap sheet.

Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapcourt. What's up, dude? What's up, dude? How are you doing, brother? How's it going? Hey, long, long trip to Indianapolis. I texted Rich Eisen yesterday. I said, bro, your energy is phenomenal for sleeping in a hotel for five to six days and

also probably participating in some of the activities that's been taking place. You guys crushed it all week. Great work out of you as well. We appreciate you guys. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm just really glad that I survived. Yeah. How was it? Was this a more booze heavy trip, a less booze heavy trip, a lot more networking? How would you judge this versus previous combines that you've been to in the past? I mean, it felt longer, and maybe it felt longer because there's so many big, looming things that need to be decided. I mean, one of them got decided today, Derek Carr. I'm sure we'll talk about that. But with so many things kind of hanging in the air, one thing I like about india is being able to just you know maybe have a beer and talk to some sources and meet some people and build some relationships it was stressful this time because there's so many things that have that are yet to

be decided so that felt longer but it was good it was just you know a lot of late nights and a lot of early mornings and a lot of time hanging out in lucas oil waiting for people to do some things so you did a lot of hosting too coming out of break reading advertisement burying aaron rogers and throwing to somebody else i mean you did i did not think that i buried our friend aaron oh we'll just keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting jamie we'll send it to you on the field that's what you did it's like bro this guy's life is not important to you come on we'll send it to you on the field. That's what you did. It's like, bro, this guy's life is not important to you. Come on. We'll keep waiting and waiting and waiting.

Don't be a mark. Rap. It's more like a quarterback who is trying to find a receiver downfield, wasn't sure what he's looking at, so backpedals to buy time. I forgot who I was throwing to. Oh. I get that. Okay okay i completely understand all right that makes sense then it was like oh it's jamie oh hi jamie all right good bye here you go okay so that makes sense a lot yeah i do that here a lot whenever you people can tell

whenever i'm trying to figure out where the hell i'm fucking headed next we'll continue to draw out a certain sentence but anyways i thought you did a great job. I thought you looked fantastic. Except for that one time, you lacked so much professionalism. I think it's Saturday. I can't do it. I think. And then your voice kind of cracked, too,

as if the booze was hitting your vocal cords at that exact point. Have a little professionalism, pal. Not only are you representing the NFL and the network, you're representing us out there, too. Come on. Okay, you're representing us out there, pal. You know, look, I think what people need to understand is once the season

ends, my compass for what day of the week it is completely disappears. I was pretty sure when I woke up that day it was Sunday, and I almost said it's Sunday. Except it was not. It was literally Saturday. Also, your dog is very cute. Oh, thank you. That's Valerie.

She's half pit bull, half Sharpay. She's a rescue. She is the first dog that I've really had a connection with in my life. Came with the girlfriend, now wife, if that makes sense. Has become a daddy's girl. I love her. Also got a lot of interior designers tweeting me saying, why is your TV crooked? Do you know the build of this room? Do you know the build of this room?

Do you know the shape of this room? Do you have any idea of how far the room goes that way? You don't. That's a terrible placement in the TV. Why is it cockeyed? Why is it so high? It's like, do you have any fucking idea how the house is built? You don't.

Shut up. And also, I'm not moving that thing every time i sit down no no no no she just never want to tweet again well twitter's down it is a little crooked it looks a little crooked no that's just your face rap okay that's your face on the tv if it was a little bit better maybe i wouldn't be in attack so much but yeah i enjoyed watching the coverage let's dive in to some stuff that is taking place around the NFL. Derek Carr to the Saints. I think it was you that reported that he was leaning towards the Jets.

Now he signs with the Saints. That was not me. Oh, okay. You and the RoboCard. Okay, okay. Somebody reported he was leaning towards the Jets. And then here we are on Monday morning. He signs with the Saints.

Obviously, we all remember that he took a trip to the Saints while he was still with the Raiders to see if that would be a trade facilitated. The contract allegedly was the problem. Raiders cut him. He then does a meet and greet at a house in Indianapolis for every other team. Saints end up being the home. Why is that? What is that? And how did we get here?

And how close was he to anywhere else, Ian? All right, so a couple things. First of all, the Saints were the leaders throughout. They were the only team that tried to trade for him. Raiders talked to some teams. They were really the only team that had a real offer on the table, and that is meaningful. He remembered that.

He knows that. And I think having Dennis Allen, his first head coach there, certainly makes some sense. To me, this was a no-brainer. The trade didn't happen for a variety of reasons. Contract was won. But even as he met with the Jets, even as he met with the Panthers, it was always going to be the Saints.

And I'll tell you what else. I know we're going to get to the Aaron Rodgers thing. I kind of appreciated how the Jets did this, right? Because, like, these are humans. These are their lives. These are important. And the Jets were very transparent with Derek Carr. We like you.

We would offer you a really nice deal. We want to see what Aaron Rodgers does first. He's our number one. We love you. You're our number two. But we want to see what Rodgers does. And even though he ended up not with the Jets, I think that sort of like transparency

and treating people like humans goes a long way in this business. But anyway, the Saints today, he makes them a lot better. He's a legitimate starting quarterback and they'll make the contract work. I saw Stephen A. Smith give his reaction upon learning of the news. I do not care. Derek Carr has been in the NFL for nine years he has zero playoff wins he's been there twice lost twice and I know he couldn't finish one of the games Derek Carr still viewed as upper echelon quarterback you believe in league circles because Stephen Hayes said that I'm not saying I believe that but when he said that that made me think like oh I guess that is a pretty valid point still view like like teams very much were in the Derek Carr sweepstakes

and the running and wanted Derek Carr as their guy. And what did the Saints pay him? Do you know? Yeah, I mean, the Saints paid him. It's a four-year deal. It's going to look odd because it's spread out in like a way that makes their cap work, right? It's going to be substantial way that makes their cap work.

It's going to be substantial. I should get it soon. If I get it when we're off the air, I'll come back and talk about it because I know you hate that. What was that, Commanders? Carson Wentz. 20 seconds after you walked out of the Thunderdome. 20 seconds. You might have done it from our fucking parking lot. I think you did. I think you did. I think you did. How about me running into Carson Wentz in Indy, just hanging out with his agents in the middle of the table

where every other reporter and agent were, just sitting there having a nice dinner. I like that move. It's going to be hard for Carson Wentz to get a corner spot in Indianapolis, I think, with how this whole thing went. But I assume it's difficult for you as well. Congrats to Derek Carr. It'll be like a six-year deal, four years real,

or a seven-year deal with three-year voided years? I think it'll be a four-year deal, and I would expect substantial guarantees through the first two years. That's what I would expect. We'll see what it ends up being, but it's going to be a lot. But just to answer your question about how good he is, first of all, he broke his leg one year when he was heading with a really good team into the playoffs.

It's not his fault. Second of all, to me, it's really more like, what is Derek Carr compared to the market? Is he the best quarterback you can get? Is he better than garoppolo like that's an interesting argument but you could definitely make the argument that he was the best

quarterback available and who else are the saints going to get okay they're picking like 29 or something okay so let's move along uh let's talk about jimmy g he's going to the raiders of the dolphins i've heard the dolphins now they're shopping they're looking for a quarterback are they looking for a young quarterback with the whole two is not fifth year option not picked up and Josina Anderson's report that her sources are saying they're exploring all options at quarterback obviously we all have massive respect for Josina but is there a chance Josina's or not Josina is there a chance Garoppolo is back with McDaniels uh McDaniel or McDaniels. Is that how this is kind of looking for Jimmy G in the future? I would be a little surprised, not doubting anyone's information,

would not want to make Jocena mad. I would be a little surprised if the Dolphins were shopping for a starting quarterback. I would expect them to add to the quarterback room. I would be surprised, based on what I know, if they were looking for anyone besides Tua to be their starter. You know, the fifth-year option is one thing. Daniel Jones got his fifth-year option declined, and the Giants are still working on a long-term deal that would pay him a lot,

a lot of money, probably something that starts with a four. So fifth-year option is a business decision, but I expect Tua to be their starter. You know, the Raiders and Garoppolo make some sense. If the Jets don't get Rodgers, that makes some sense too. Panthers also make – Garoppolo is in a really good spot. I think he's going to have several offers. The money will be enough to where it's certainly more than respectable, but he's a good, solid starter. And for the Jets, if he's just – let's say he's the 16th best quarterback 16th

to 20th in the nfl to me that makes the jets a playoff contender based on what they have around them yeah and they don't have to give anything up obviously because jimmy will be a free agent let's talk about the other two teams you chatted about what you what is it what happened i have no more coffee oh no oh geez rappy want coffee rappy need coffee what's what's what's june doing over here buzzer where your family brings coffee down for you electric caller uh you know the tv world is weird and i know you know this when you're at events like the combine for instance and you're chained in you have to stay in an area people are constantly like can i get you something can i get you coffee i know you can't leave here we'll get you something and then i come home and i'm like hey leah can i

get coffee and she'll look at me like i have like six toes it's like yeah you know where the kitchen is but yeah sure is right do you just put the cup in boom press the size make sure you're asking yeah you network folks are really spoiled you know know what I mean? Oh, once again. I got a chance to experience that with Gang Day. It's awesome. What do you mean? Is there a five-hour energy anywhere? Hold on. Sprints off the stage.

Whatever you need. Sprints back. Bang. You want cherry? Berry? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

I'm so thankful. This is fantastic. I can see how you can fall in the trap to being a diva, which you have done, and obviously going home. So, Jimmy G, potentially to Raiders, Jets, Panthers, he has a plethora of options depending upon what Aaron Rodgers does. Is that where everybody's waiting? And you said the Jets told the truth to Derek Carr.

Hey, we like you. We like you on our team. We don't know if the report of him being a future Hall of Famer is accurate or not whenever he toured the Jets and talked to the Jets, but all eyes are on Aaron Rodgers and what Aaron wants to do, and then the next steps will go. Is that the Raiders as well? Who's all in in that game? Yeah, I have a little bit of, I'm not saying it's not going to happen, because if Aaron Rodgers tells the Raiders, I want to play for the Raiders, that will be a discussion, and any team would have to and

should consider that. But it feels to me like they're a little more like looking for a long-term option more than a short-term option, right? So to me, it looks more likely the Jets or retire or back to Green Bay. You know, I've sort of said from the beginning, like, the longer he waits, the more likely it is it's going to be the Packers. You could do a deal, but these are complicated. It doesn't happen in one day. Sadly, I do not know what he's going to do.

Are you sure you don't just make it up? Don't you normally do that? Just guess. You don't know what you normally do? No, no. I'll wait. I'll wait. Is he scheduled for tomorrow?

Oh, I don't know. I have not even asked. I do not know that question. I do not. Would you like him to be? I would rather he call me and tell me in person, but you'd be the second best option. Oh, well, I have no idea. I've gone very hands-off in that whole thing. Because that is a very important storyline for multiple teams at this particular stage.

So you think it's Jets, Packers, or retire for Aaron Rodgers at this moment? But if he came back and said, for instance, hey, Miami, I'd like to be your quarterback, they would have to think about that? I mean, that's a tough one because here's the problem. It's the same problem all the time. He's Aaron Rodgers. And so you can have – it was the same thing with Bradyady a couple years ago except rogers is younger right um if aaron rogers tells you he

wants you like you better consider it because he's aaron rogers but yeah that is what everyone's waiting on and it's you know everyone's fine like it's not hard or whatever but it is holding up some business because you want to know what he's going to do connor has a question for you yeah rapture because of how many teams need quarterbacks did you get a sense after the combine or during the combine that there are more teams are thinking about trading up now that they're kind of established who's going to be the top guys in the draft this year yeah i mean it was the quarterback performances were good and of course you know i talked to someone who watched every snap of C.J. Stroud during the season.

I talked to him this morning about how great C.J. was during the combine, and the response I got was like, well, yeah, he was like that during the season. I get it. Combine hits a little different. I think for Anthony Richardson it hit a little different too. We could see three in the top five. We could see four in the top ten. I think the number one pick is worth a lot.

And Ryan Pulse does have a fascinating decision. Does he wait, wait, wait and see if the value increases? Or does he do a deal now, meaning in the next week or so, before free agency, get them settled. They know what they have. Maybe a player is part of the deal. So maybe they get a player they won't have to chase in free agency like there's you know there is a possibility that it happens this week which i think would spice things up what was it it's a swap this year then they want a 24 and a 25 one

i think is what was floating around the internet of what the bears are asking for so it'd be three ones including a swap of this year yeah so right swap two ones and then probably like more and and i'll tell you what else hell yeah the panthers are one of the panthers are one of the teams interested right but if the bears have to go all the way to nine there's a possibility that takes them out of the like really premium premium players because nine is far away right so maybe it costs a little more to go all the way back to nine than it would to go to four or seven or maybe eight i don't know what the falcons are doing um they're tough to figure out but like it'll cost more if the if

the bears go all the way back do you think us sitting at four will be able to sit back and get one of these top three quarterbacks or do you you think that front first four will be four quarterbacks? I think so, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. That's what Ballard's saying. That's what Ballard's kind of thinking about right now. He came out and said that he doesn't think you have to trade up to one to get the guy that you want, but there's a chance that people will trade up to three, two, and one to get to quarterbacks, right? That's a real thought. Yeah, and Ballard is always extremely patient.

He hates to be the aggressor, hates to jump in, but this is tough because if you have three top quarterbacks and you're at four, the Cardinals can go, hey, look, we'll take Will Anderson or Jalen Carter or whoever, or you could just trade us. So, like, we may see a four-to-three swap just to make sure the Colts get their guy. Because if seven Raiders, you said, they jump up to three. That's the issue. And then Panthers or Falcons jump up to one. Then all of a sudden you've got quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, and you're sitting there just waiting, hoping that you're the guy that you liked out of everybody is still there.

Has anything changed? Tone Diggs won half of the hammer. Cowboys hammered down, obviously, a gambling podcast that comes out of the Thunderdome every single day right over there. He said that Anthony Richardson's number one overall odds went from plus 10,000 to plus 500. Okay. So that goes from an incredible bet where you bet 100, you win 1,000. 10. 10,000 to you bet 100, you win 500.

That is the difference in that entire game there. Is that what you're hearing in conversation? Or is that still all TBD with the top three guys? Yeah, I'd be really, really surprised if he goes one. But if you told me, so like coming into the draft, I would say I knew, which is not really know, but you kind of think, all right, well, this is a guy who probably goes in the teens, maybe in the 20s. He's a little bit of a, you know, not a project, but might take a little time.

I would not be surprised if he goes in the top 10 now. If you told me he goes to he's going Seattle at five waits a year behind Gino I'd be like you know what it makes some sense oh are you hearing that or punditry is this insider information or punditry I mean I know Seattle likes him I know they like a lot of the guys I know they were having conversations with all the top quarterbacks as were you know the texans the colts the seahawks the raiders the falcons the panthers so all those teams had quarterback conversations i'm just saying like that like that would be a great spot for him and he wouldn't have to play right away gino and uh see seahawks close to a deal or that's been going

on for a while now, right? Because Pro Bowl week, I think they started talking and they're still don't have a deal done. What's the difference there? What's going on there? Still do not have a deal done. I know they're trying. I know it would make sense to do a deal. You know, I don't, I don't, it would be probably a shorter term deal would be my guess. And that makes sense. But it would, you know, for Gino, if he makes you know even if he's on the tag like he i think he's gonna get tagged but even if he's on the tag then it's double what he's made in his entire career how's that 30 32 got it um so either way he's gonna be

in good shape you just like that long- long-term security of a three-year deal with some guarantees into year two. It's a good situation for a rookie, too, because Geno's a really good human, so he will help, but he's earned his payday, too. Yeah, I think we're all happy for Geno getting paid. I just thought a deal was going to get done very easily with the way it was being talked at the beginning of that whole thing. We talk about quarterback getting franchise tag,

$32 million non-exclusive franchise tag. 41, I think, is the exclusive franchise tag or something like that? It could be a little more, right? It should be 44, 45. Okay. You tell me. I think it's a little more, yeah. Say, that's a $13 million difference in one year.

That is huge. Obviously, you take taxes into that. That's a $6.5 million difference in one year. That's a big deal. Lam million difference in one year. That's a big deal. Lamar Jackson's getting tagged by tomorrow. The GM and ownership are down in Miami negotiating with Lamar. We're not able to gain any ground after a year of negotiating. That's being reported by your compadre, Tom Pelissero.

GM Eric DaCosta met recently in Jackson's hometown of Miami in hopes of working towards a deal. But after more than a year of negotiations, the sides remain apart, and the situation appears headed towards a franchise tag on Tuesday. Great reporting, Tom Palacero. Way to go, Arrow. Now, follow up on that. They've negotiated for a deal and can't get it for a year and haven't been able to get a deal done.

Is it just guaranteed money? Lamar Jackson expects the guaranteed money because that's what the comps are. This is what Deshaun got. I've done a lot more. I expect that. Is there a thought that Lamar maybe doesn't want to be in Baltimore? Baltimore doesn't want to get a deal done. They're just kind of making it appear as if they want to get a deal done for their fans who love Lamar Jackson. And will it be a non-exclusive or an exclusive franchise tag placed on Lamar tomorrow? Kind of just let you take that all in however you may. Okay, so they did go down to visit Lamar face-to-face. And remember, he doesn't have an agent, so this is Eric DaCosta face-to-face with Lamar.

And presumably his mother also involved in it. She's been involved in a lot of other facets of his life, including giving birth to him. Oh! Well, I mean, the guy was literally born. I do not feel, from the people I've spoken with, that Lamar Jackson has really been engaged and going back and forth with them. It feels to me like the Ravens present an offer, he thinks about it, and then everyone kind of waits. So I think that's why, you know you know as opposed to let's say like

daniel jones and the giants um they have talked extensively for the last week they don't have a deal yet but there is a little bit of optimism there because they've kept talking it's like the opposite with lamar and the ravens the ravens talk lamar is not really engaged so i don't think a deal is getting done as far as the type of... And by the way, I believe they do want him there. This is not just for their fans. He is their guy. They just would like... I think they would like to be done and all this to be over.

I don't know for sure which tag. I could make an argument either way. Even if... Do they know? You think? I had a Ravens person this morning say they're not going to make a firm decision until tomorrow. My guess is they have a sense of where

they're going, but it's not going to be public until tomorrow. And because he has no agent, that's probably the way it'll stay. But either way... What the fuck does that have to do with anything? With them franchise tagging Lamar?

No, no. You don't need to just. I'm saying usually the agents will get it out there if something happens, but because there's no one talking. Got it. It'll probably come out. We would like to let Lamar know if you want anything said, we'll say it. Yes.

Real loud. Real proud. Hell yeah. He's watching. He might be watching. I doubt it. But if anybody knows him, please get this. Let him know.

We will. I will say this. The Thunderdome is a lovely place. Thank you. He should visit. He should. Not a bad idea. Him and Steichen would be fantastic.

But is that what teams are thinking? Do you think there's teams out there that are thinking if the non-exclusive tag is placed, they will certainly give up two first-rounders to Baltimore and pay Lamar Jackson whatever he's thinking. Is that happening right now or no? Like the Carolina Panthers, for instance. They have the second richest owner in sports. They obviously have a good one this year. I assume they have one next year.

I don't know. And the next year, would that be a place that would potentially pay him? I don't know. And the next year, like, would that be a place that would potentially pay him? Like, where would be a spot if he was putting a non-exclusive tag that would give the Baltimore Ravens two first-rounders and be able to pay Lamar, you think? So the non-exclusive tag would get the Ravens two first-rounders for Lamar Jackson. I would counter with, is that enough?

Like, if they get the exclusive tag and he signs it, they can trade him and ask for more. So, like, Russell Wilson went for two ones and more, right? So it sounds like they're going to put the exclusive tag on him. Thank you. We just got through the bullshit. I can make an argument for both. Got it.

They're putting the exclusive tag on him. But I'm just saying, for me, if I'm the Ravens, don't I say, isn't he worth more than two first round picks? He's worth a lot. And then it's like, who's the team? It would take someone unbelievably committed to Lamar

Jackson. I've looked and I've not found that team just yet. What? Atlanta. I've checked Atlanta. I would never rule out anything ever i just don't get the sense anything is imminent there okay so maybe that's why they might do the non-exclusive because they don't think that anybody just two yeah you save yourself with 13 million ah that's why you're saying both maybe okay god i'm happy we worked on that i'm happy we worked through that. I'm happy we worked through that. Ty, I have a question for you.

Yeah, Rapsheet, news came out today that the Titans are shopping Derrick Henry. Do you think that's actually plausible? Because it looks like they are kind of just tearing everything down and rebuilding. And do you expect, like, several kind of marquee names to be either traded or released in the coming days here? Yeah, we will definitely get some releases. And what happens this time of year is you get really good older veterans like Kendricks. Eric Kendricks was a good one today from Pelissero.

Dual big salary, coming up in age, has been an awesome player. With that one, I don't know that they offered him a pay cut, but I think what happens a lot of times is if you really respect a guy, you don't offer him a pay cut. You say like, we're just going to release you early, go sign with someone, you know? But I think we'll get a lot of that in the coming days. The Derrick Henry thing, I have not specifically corroborated that they're shopping him. It would make sense considering he's in the last year of his deal. I assume he would want a new deal. I assume he would want guaranteed money. And he's an older running back, so I don't know where the Titans stand on that.

Having conversations would make sense. Would someone trade a real draft pick and give Derrick Henry a contract extension? That's an argument over value that is an interesting one. a real draft pick, and give Derrick Henry a contract extension, that's an argument over value that I – that is an interesting one. What is it, $16.1 million? Ten dead. Ten dead, $16.1 million cap hit. Come on up to Indianapolis, Derrick. In the division?

You already got a guy, though. Nope. You got a guy. Not enough. Not when you're running side. I agree. What's better than one guy? When you're running side cards with Anthony a guy, though. Nope. You got a guy. Not enough. Not when you're running side. I agree. What's better than one guy? When you're running side cards with Anthony Richardson as your quarterback.

Boom. Boom. AR in the middle. Bang. Derrick Henry on one side. Jonathan Taylor on the other. Boom. Then you got Jelani Woods, 6'7", tight end, kind of leaking out of the box for a little.

All AR's got to hit is just a middle seam. Yep. And then a deep ball with Pittman. Is that your guy? Is Richardson your guy? I just, I don't know if we're trading up. I don't know if we're going to trade up. Like, that's an interesting, like, unless Jim Irsay, who posted a 420 standard def video from his plane this morning.

He, during the combine week in the city in which he owns the team, he had a concert in Las Vegas. So I don't know how dialed in to the whole process Ursae is or if he's hands off on letting Chris Ballard do his thing. But Jim Ursae might want to trade up to make a play. But I don't know if Chris Ballard necessarily that's in his MO to give away two ones in the future. It doesn't, again, never rule anything out, but it does not feel like a Chris Ballard move.

And the way C.J. Stroud was spinning it this weekend, and if he throws like that, if that's how he throws every single game, and then you watch the Georgia game, and we got to see it up close, it's like, that's a Sunday guy. We'll need another one or two to get him, probably. And people are talking about Bryce Young. He's just the most talented guy, even though he's 5'10". He's an unbelievable talent.

And if you have belief you can protect him, he'll be a guy. So, like, in my world, the reason why I think I'm all in on Anthony Richardson is because it feels like at four, he might still be around. Like, that is how I'm thinking. Yeah, I mean, and if he is, we are. Look at what Shane Steichen did. And I've got to run because I've got to do some TV, and I'm not even dressed yet.

I mean, I'm dressed, but I'm not dressed dressed. No pants. If you want someone to coach Anthony Richardson, having the guy who helped turn Jalen Hurts into an MVP candidate would probably be pretty good. You're right. You're our MVP candidate. Good luck out there. We appreciate you.

Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport. Yay! Yeah, the Titans are kind of in a rebuild mode. And we got to remember that when a new general manager comes in, they look at all the books, all the payments, all the players, and they decide whether or not the previous GM made good decisions or if it's how they would like their legacy to be remembered. We can act like egos go into everything,

don't want to automatically say that that's what's going on with Ran Carthen. Nailed it. Ran Carthen, formerly of the san francisco 49ers but you got to remember when you get a general manager role or a job especially for the first time you've always had visions of how you would build the team i like this position to have depth i like this one to maybe have a carousel of guys that's running back position i don't want to spend eight percent of the salary cap on a running back. I don't want to do that. So you see a lot of turnover normally when a brand new GM from

outside comes in. There's also the, I didn't sign that guy. So that person's getting credit to the previous GM. If they do well, that humans and egos could potentially have, which we all have experienced in our lives. And we've all seen take place. When there's a new position of power, that person usually would like to build it in their way so they can get all of the credit. Not saying that's what's happening with Rand. There's a multitude of things we just laid out there. Derrick Henry being shopped. Taylor LeJuan was cut. Randy Bullock, the kicker, is allegedly on the market. Bud Dupree is going to be gone. Robert Woods is going to be gone.

And Tannehill, Rand Carthen was asked about him at the combine. He said, I know the quarterback position is an important one. I just need you to know he's currently under contract with the Tennessee Titans. It's like, well, sounds like he's not going to be under contract with the Tennessee Titans for that long. And that does not mean that Malik Willis is going to be the guy either. Because, once again, Rand did not bring in Malik Willis, even though he is certainly cheaper. Go ahead, Tom.

When that graphic got brought up, there's a lot of Titans on there. There's also a lot of Rams on that. Rams are seemingly rebuilding. Allen Robinson is allowed to get traded or seek trade options. Bobby Wagner was cut a couple days ago. That became, obviously obviously a big storyline. Jalen Ramsey is allegedly on the market. Come on, Dandy, Jalen, do whatever you got to do. Leonard Floyd on his way. The Rams rebuilding completely. Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald,

Sean McVay, Cooper Cobb, all still around, though. So they have their big pillars, their big money people, and then now without a lot of picks, they're going to try to rebuild this whole thing. Excited to see the picks they get in return for whoever they trade and what they decide to do with that. But there's a couple teams that are in rebuild, reload mode, and obviously the Rams and Titans are two of them. It'd be funny if they came out with a new shirt. It was just like, fuck them picks for a couple years, and then we'll

trade some guys and get some picks back. Fuck those big contracts. We need those picks. Fuck those big contracts. What were you going to say? Giorno Schultz was reporting it, so take it with a grain of salt, but I also did see that the Rams are very interested in bringing Baker back, so I also wonder if they're not completely sold

on. They don't want to do Stafford wrong in any but we've talked about his injury like time and time again like is he going to be able to play all next year or are they in their minds i think and like hey baker you know guys liked him coaches liked him he performed pretty well while he was here like why should we bring him back and is there a chance that he's going to be our starter for a good chunk of next season? You brought up Stafford, so it made me think. We were talking about Derek Carr earlier and what Stephen A. Smith said about him and stuff like that.

Whoa, whoa, Stafford won a Super Bowl. He did. Yeah, after he left Detroit. True. Is Derek Carr similar, or is he not? I don't know. Arm Callen, I don't think we viewed Derek Carr the same way that we viewed Matthew Stafford.

Now, I have not watched every single Raiders game like I watch every Lions game, though, with Matthew Stafford playing because Foxy's there. So I don't know if I have just missed it or not seen it, but Stafford's arm talent, it was always like, there's a guy. Here's a question. Are players saying that Derek Carr is like an absolute dog? Because everyone said that about Stafford, even though he hadn't won any playoffs games. Yeah, so you kind of have your anti-Stafford agenda.

You. Me? Yeah, always have because Big Ben Roethlisberger gets viewed as a worse quarterback than Matthew Stafford. I don't think that's true. Well, in some people's eyes. Oh, yeah. In some people's eyes, they view that.

Sure, sure, sure. Exactly. So that proves my point. I mean, if he was in Detroit, they'd probably have fucking at least a Super Bowl. No. That proves my point. I mean, if he was in Detroit, they'd probably have at least a Super Bowl. Who, Big Ben? Well, Big Ben was in Detroit and won a Super Bowl. Boom! Boom!

Well, and Carr at the Saints, they're all... Happy birthday, Ben. Happy birthday, Ben. By the way, Ben has not been brought up on the show in some time. Hey, thank you for all the love, dude. Obviously, we're from Pittsburgh, so we witnessed you from straight out of college at Ohio all the way through your entire run. Had some hiccups, of course, but you're becoming an adult in front of the entire world. We appreciate the hell out of you, and we love football.

Love football. Love football. Great show. Thanks for the love. It's an incredible podcast. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to chat and have a beer with you someday. What are you going to say, Connor? I was going to say, well, now the Saints,

like Derek Carr's the best quarterback in that division. Yeah, yes. You know, maybe it could be similar to Stafford. They might go on a run. It'd be awesome. Not Ritter? You know, Ritter. I mean, the Falcons are looking at a quarterback.

I guess he's out, yeah. Atlanta's looking at another quarterback. Take that how you want to. Would you trade, as the Colts, just next year's first up to three to make sure that you're getting one of those top three guys? Just to go up one spot. You can always get a first back. True, exactly.

I feel like you can always get a pick. Got a left guard you can trade. Yeah, probably even get a top ten pick. That's a whole other conversation about who we all – we have to go with a rookie quarterback. Have to. Because we don't have money. Yeah, and if you stay at four, you might not get those top three guys.

Because the people we paid all got paid a lot of money, and then we're picking number four still. Paid the wrong guy. Four's a tough place to be, huh? Yeah, and this year's draft. With three guys, yeah. Three would have been awesome. Like Stetson Bennett, he might be a guy.

Yeah. He literally might. Will Levis might be a guy. Duggan. Duggan ran a 4.5 or something like that. Yeah. Scooting. Hey, that might be the new Red Rocket, the way this guy ran his fucking 40.

That's Max Duggan, the dog right there. Big son of a bitch, too. Straight out of fucking Cole. Was it Cole in Iowa? Council Bluffs. Yeah, what was it? Cole Town? Train Town. Yeah, what was it? Cole Town? Train Town.

Yeah, not Train Town. It's right on the border of Iowa and Nebraska. I mean, it's a rough area. And he's running 4-5-2. Was throwing the ball a little bit, obviously. But it feels like Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson are the consensus top three. Bonafide. Here we go.

So sitting at four is certainly an interesting place to be whenever you need a rookie quarterback. And you've got an owner that's doing a concert in Vegas, raising money, shout out, and a GM that does not like to trade. No. I'm very fascinated how it all unfolds. Especially with kind of the question marks around Jalen Carter now, because I think before all this stuff happened going into the combine,

it was kind of known like, hey, yeah, the quarterbacks are great, but this guy is number one on everyone's board. He's the best player in this draft. So if teams needed a quarterback, this guy is still going to go in the top three or the top five or whatever, and now all this stuff happened. So is he going to slip down a little bit more? Are teams more inclined to move up in draft quarterbacks? Have we ever had that guy just get arrested during the combine in another state?

I don't think so. I can't remember anything like that. They never got arrested, but last year, was it the draft night or was it the combine night when Quay Walker and DeAndre Wyatt were in that car wreck? They both went first round. I wasn't sure when it was, but they also weren't arrested. Combine time, it might be early enough, too, for everybody to forget.

Yeah, true. It might be done by then. Although this one's pretty serious. Very serious. Yeah, so it's like, you know. Sad. Very sad. And I think that weighs, like the weight of it all is very, very heavy

that he's even being brought into that situation. And there'll be teams that say, oh, we don't. Right. Yeah, still need him. Yeah, good point. Got a hole in our D-line. People forget whenever he makes four or five sacks. Exactly.

And that's what, like, on the back of that now, people are saying that, you know, they look deeper and, oh, yeah, he got arrested, you know, going 90 and, like, a 45 or one. So it's like, well, is this a pattern? Like, is this something that we're really going to have to, you know. Poor decision maker. Yeah, exactly. All that kind of stuff.

Yeah, it comes into question. But the NFL is a be who you can afford to be type operation. We don't like it. We're just telling you the reality of the business that we chat about. To Ty's point, he could have and still can. Could have went to the Bears or the Cardinals. But like if Will Anderson, he's not a 4-3 outside guy. But he could be with the Cardinals, pew, pew, pew, pew,

if they want to stay at three and go Will Anderson. But Will Anderson being there with Jalen Carter makes somebody feel more apt to have to take them earlier. Right, right. So now that that's kind of like, can we spend a four on this guy, a three on this guy? That would be, if we, number three overall, this guy just, that would be, that's a real – I don't know.

It's a conundrum. I'll be excited. This draft process, this draft cycle will be a blast to follow along with. We got to get to a break. Watch Chris Rock's thing. Oh, yeah, live. I dozed in and out of it. How was it?

I dozed in and out. Okay. I wasn't always a big Chris Rock guy, so I don't know, like, his style. No sex in the champagne room. That came out a long time ago. Yeah, a long time ago. Madagascar. Yeah, Chappelle, I think at that age, when that potentially came out,

Chappelle is the greatest of all time. I think he kind of took a lot of the energy from, I'll say, me. You know what I mean? And the Chappelle show was the thing. So I'm not sure that I was really hunting. Like Ron White, Chappelle. I forget who else. Cat.

Cat, Williams. Yeah, like those. Dane Cook at that time. Like those were the comedians I think that I was mostly focused on. So I didn't really know Chris Rock's stuff. His tone is an interesting one. It's an interesting. He's real aggressive up there.

Like he will speak like pretty aggressively. He covered every single subject. It felt like he was attempting to go after everything that is cancelable. So you got to respect that type of gumption to go on a stage and do it um the will smith stuff at the end was obviously the the home run hitter right bobbled a word bounced back i thought a lot of people said you know you're both a bunch of bitches what are we even what are we talking about but i think it was nice to kind of get his version of the whole thing. The way it was being talked about, though,

was as if he was a journalist standing on a stage, as opposed to a comedian telling jokes, trying to make people laugh. That was my biggest issue. It was like, oh, there's an entire generation of people that think of comedians as journalists because, like, Jonart is a comedian who's also a journalist and chapelle covers very serious topics in a comedic fashion and bill burr covers very gotta remember jokes like these were all supposed to be ha ha ha ha ha stuff not like

barbara walters reporting something so like i think that is a fascinating we're in a fascinating time i, with comedy in the audiences. Personally, that's what I think. I was just trying to think of who else. The original kings of comedy were around that time, too. Oh, yeah. Bernie and Cedric and Harry Spears. How about Steve, though? Harvey just becoming

like... There's a milk and cookies joke in there that... All time. I mean, if we're just going to talk about all time jokes, yeah, there's all time jokes. Yeah, if we're just going to talk about all time jokes, yeah. There's all time jokes. Fucking give it a chance. Chris Rock, though, he took a shot at everything.

He took a shot at everything. I fell asleep. And will I go back and watch it all? Probably not. He's taking a lot of flack on Twitter. Big time. But I think there's also a lot of people that would have rathered... No, like it's comedy. later. Big time. But I think there's also a lot of people that like... Would have rathered... No, like it's

comedy. Yeah. These people are trying to fucking... Chris Rock is trying to make people laugh in the theater. He's trying to make people laugh. The half I saw was a lot of that stuff and it seemed like the other half was like, this just isn't that funny. Well, that's the thing. Like if you don't think something's funny, fine. Right.

But to just like... And I guess that's kind of the state of comedy right now. But to just get grossly offended and like, it's like. Can't have it. He's attempting to make people laugh. If you don't think he's funny, that's completely okay. Do now. But like, let's not just let our life revolve around getting pissed off at a clown doing stuff, trying to make people laugh, which is the world that we're in. I think Netflix

should have gave the first live thing to like, you know, killers, like cerebral killers. Like Chappelle, Bill Burr, they're under the Netflix umbrella. Like, why not just let these cerebral just

go out there and do their thing, you know what i mean thought chappelle is because he didn't his contract was up wasn't that last special could certainly renegotiate yeah that is how business works but like i would have loved to seen the instant reaction to a non-edited stand-up which is what live that's the difference between live and obviously what everybody sees is there's a lot of takes we'll get this one's the best between live and obviously what everybody sees is there's a lot of takes. We'll get this one's the best setup. This one's the best punch.

This one's the most clean. This one's the best landed with this audience. Like there is something to editing a piece of content as opposed to just live, which we are every day. Yeah. I would have liked to seen, because I've never seen Chappelle live. I would like to see how, you know what I mean? Yeah, how the progression gets made.

Yeah, yeah. I would have liked to have seen that. I think, I wish they would have been able to do that, but obviously, who knows if they didn't want to pay him enough, which doesn't make any sense because I think they paid him a shit ton of money. And the Netflix CEO has been very, we are going to stick. We're in his corner. Yeah, we are going to stick with him.

Those people, yeah. That's a good point, though. I had never thought about that, about, like, Jon Stewart and John Oliver and, like, how, like, a lot of comedy now, and even with, like, the late-night hosts and stuff, like, it has blurred the lines between, like, oh, this is so politically charged and, like, where is the comedy?

Like, I had never thought of it like that, but that is a good point. It's a real thing. There's so much of that shit now where it really is, like, yeah, there are jokes involved, for sure, but sure but like the jokes are kind of the bang burner yeah yeah narratives yeah everything like that yeah and pick that that clip from john stewart this weekend that was pretty good that was pretty good so so drag shows are not an infringement of free freedom of

speech on the entertainer or whatever. Well, we have a duty to protect the children. Oh, what? What was that? What was that? Jon Stewart, dog. Yeah, he is. He's not afraid of that. When he left The Daily Show, America got worse.

Yeah, for sure. And I know the problem is, I think it's his new show, or the problem with and everything like that. A lot of people aren't going all the way. Yeah, no. Well, yeah, not free. That was a great call. Oh, yeah.

Great piece. Oh, yeah. That is hypocrisy at its highest order. Now, it's not an opinion. Not an opinion. I'm not just saying it. Dude, it was good. Yeah.

I thought about that guy just getting into a full pretzel. Oh, man. John Sturt had to feel so good, too. Got him. Got him. Set the trap for good. Yeah. I thought about that guy just getting into a full pretzel. Oh, man. John Sturt had to feel so good, too. Got him. Got him. Set the trap for him. Yeah. He jumped right, couldn't wait to get the cheese.

Let me jump all the way into that thing. And as soon as he's in there, John Sturt, you see his entire, Sir, you are in the Thunderdome. Gotcha. You are here. It's wild. But that's the only reason why I thought of that, though, is because Twitter was acting as if Chris Rock was a journalist as opposed to a comedian.

And not all of Twitter. Obviously, there's people going to bat for Chris Rock. But a lot of people. Much portion. And I don't pay attention, I guess, to the comedy world enough. I started doing some research. I guess that's just how it is now. Yeah.

Like, people get very offended by jokes. Mm-hmm. Because there's no separation of comedy and hate you know everybody assumes if you're making jokes about something you must hate that person so I must be offended

and the person telling the joke I would assume is like yeah maybe I do hate that person but also just trying to make people laugh here it's a wild world they're living happy I'm not in it there's a lot of portions of the world that are pretty wild right now. Especially over the past three years. One specific portion.

Some people showing up dead in their apartment. This guy just can't help himself, can he? Yeah, I have to. When we're talking about parts of the internet, this is a massive part of the internet this weekend. Jay Stewart had a take on that too. That was pretty good. Geez. Yeah, the COVID thing is interesting, isn't it?

A huge conversation right now going on. And just because we even said that right now, Google and YouTube's probably going to put across the bottom COVID fact check still to

BD. Yeah, absolutely. Which is what I have to do anytime something like that makes it into my Twitter feed because there's for you.

Yep. In following now. That's right. So things are popping up in my for you that I guess like people that I follow are interested in looking at. I was like, because that's right so things are popping up in my for you that i guess like people that i follow are interested in looking at i was because that's what like instagram is right the explore page is people that you follow what they're interested in like hey this could be

for you or whatever like that's kind of i think that's how the instagram thing works i'm not 100 sure yeah based on what you're looking at too because like they time how long when you're scrolling if you stop on something there's a bunch of math involved exactly yeah it's and the people that work at the place don't even know no they have no idea the algorithm has mind of its own but the for you section something things have been making their way in there covid made a couple appearances this weekend yeah and i'm like all right they're putting it in the for you so that would mean that it would have to be accurate right because if it wasn't accurate and they're flooding people's timelines, because I don't follow these people, and it's like, hey, here's something for you,

and it's not accurate, then Twitter is 100% spreading the reason why it's happening. So I was intrigued by that whole thing as well, how it's kind of unfolding. And Twitter is back up and operating, by the way. Congrats to Twitter for making it through. It's either that or it's like, you know, why I'm seeing every single piece of Ron DeSantis content because Tony just likes every single video. And he's screaming into your phone.

Yeah, exactly. That's why he's probably picking it up. Yeah, exactly. If Gumby's sending you any text, then that's another thing. Well, this guy talks to this guy. He definitely wants to know about all the COVID lies that were spread. Keep hearing DeSantis through his phone. It's a big deal. It's crazy.

If we just go back to think about what all of us had to go through, what the world went through, the cities went through. Cities lost everything because of the way everything was handled. And now what's allegedly coming out, and we have to say that, it's like, yo, there's some real fucked up shit that happened allegedly. And none of us could have expected that no not at all nobody could have expected this

at all think about the people who are just like you know what i'm just gonna wait and see i don't want to just dive in and you know get the vaccine okay well you're fired then and people lost their jobs they were uprooted from their from their communities taking jobs. And then there's like kids. Yeah. Two years not in school with humans. Which will hunk them up for 15 years. Yeah, seriously. Permanently stunting their development.

Like drastic things took place. Oh, yeah. Did you see the thing from the UK that came out too? Mm-mm. Yeah. There's a lot of different. I'm sure it's going to show up in my For You now. I bet Gumby probably already texted to you. Lad, check this out. See? him out too yeah there's a lot i'm sure it's gonna show up in my for you now i bet gumpy

probably already texted to you lad check this out see he's got to catch up though because twitter just came back so he's uploading all the videos he didn't have time got some good news on old gump i think allegedly he's a gentleman aj hawk aj how you doing paul's up? What was being pieced together? Nah, nah, nah. We did this in the first hour. We don't need to dive back in. The amount of information we're getting about COVID right now is alarming, but that is not what we're here to talk about, okay?

You do your own research. Twitter's back. Do your thing. We should be fact-checking everything we read, though, because we don't need to just be dumb zombies that believe anything we're told. Okay? Exactly. Exactly. Okay.

What are you looking at, me? Ranching. Okay. Light ranching. Not every report on the internet is necessarily accurate, but a lot of the reports that are coming out right now are alarming. Golf tournament was awesome. UFC was awesome.

Jon Jones is back. Made that thing look fucking easy, AJ Hawk. Easy. He's too good, man. He's too good. years what uh you think there's ring rust like i doubt john jones believes well he said actually he felt a little weird on his feet he said he wished he would have been able to get a little bit more work on his feet but why was the tape such a big deal when he's walking in so that's a foreign object right being

added in there i saw like some experts tweeting and i had to read what other people were saying because i don't know the rules in and out. So I think the one tape was good. The extra tape was considered no bueno. And I think there was, Cormier was losing his mind. He's like, they're making, people were wearing flip-flops or something like that.

I don't know how it all goes, but as soon as he, and then as soon as he put his hands on it, I mean, it was a, as soon as he wrapped him, just like it was light heavyweight, just like he was his hands on it, I mean, it was a... As soon as he wrapped him, just like it was light heavyweight, just like he was in light heavyweight, as soon as he got his arms on him,

he just dumped that guy on his head. It was like, oh, shit. The weight difference is not going to change anything, and it was only a matter of time. And it didn't even look like he had that thing set in yet. And then all of a sudden, you see that guy's hand. Yeah. It's like, all right right this thing's fucking over

it looks so easy people thought he threw the fight dude that's what people thought because of how easy john jones made it that's just who he is though i mean when he he went he goes against cormier and cormier is known absolute stud wrestler and he takes cormier down and tries to like beat him at his own game that's just john jones is an absolute freaking didn't gain dana even say like the greatest of all time right didn't he crown him yeah and then he then he bod into the microphone afterwards he thanked jesus first and foremost so and then he thanked his fiancee i enjoyed hearing that john bones jones clearly has attempted to turn his life around oh yeah because for the generation that hasn't seen john jones fighting that could potentially be existing right now hasn't fought in three years i doubt you got to see prime john

jones when the conversation was like hey this guy could leave the ufc and fill up an arena himself he could be the jake paul of mixed martial arts that's he was on cereal boxes he could be the floyd mayweather of mixed martial arts he he was everywhere. Nike athlete. We're talking like this is the greatest of all time. Pound for pound the greatest of all time. Nobody would ever be able to beat him in a sport that was just going like this, which is the UFC. And there was contract disputes. And I got a chance to meet him one time and have a good time with him.

And I know his family a little bit. His older brother played for the Colts and everything. Like I was even saying like, yo, you could do your own. You could be Floyd Mayweather here. You're one of the only people. Could you imagine a Bones Jones back not that he's not in his prime right now. He might still be in his prime, but back when he was in his prime.

In Brock Lesnar. That would have... Let's do it now. We can still do it. I think Brock's what, 45? Yeah, I'd watch. He's 45, dude. You think he'd throw enough money at Brock? I think he'd can still do it. I think Brock's, what, 45? Yeah, I'd watch. He's 45, dude. You think he'd throw enough money at Brock? I think he'd be up for it.

I agree. Well, John? I don't know. I saw him. With John? F5. John, yeah. John has talked about Brock since his comeback.

He's like, hey, there's a Sasquatch Roman. Pretty much, he was like, there's a Sasquatch Roman out there somewhere. He's 45 years old, very successful. Does he want to go through and i don't know i have not it that is not something that we would have the i don't know anybody that would have that information by the way with how small brock lesnar keeps his circle but as a fan it would be amazing to see that type of thing also pumped for stipe yes he's getting like a five probably five to seven million dollar payday his next fight there's no way he expected that since losing the title and then obviously two years ago was last time he fought he lost then it's like i'm pumped for stipe aj how could you not be anytime stipe fights i think it's fun he's easy guy to root for but he had some weird like eye surgery didn't he or some eye injury that was going on for a long time

he's been dealing with all kind of stuff so So, I mean, you talk about ring rust. Like, how do you think you feel being steeped, coming back into the cage for the first time in multiple years to face a heavyweight Jon Jones? Not just... It appeared as if the heavyweight thing is going to benefit. Yes. He loves it.

He said, I don't have to cut weight. He felt great. Like, that's just how he feels so good. And are they as good of wrestlers, right? Cormier was light heavyweight, then went up to heavyweight, right? And was double champ. Yeah, he's done both. He was double champ.

I think potentially in heavyweight wrestling, like, this might be easier for old bones. Yes. It's a heavyweight thing than it was at light heavyweight, which is even crazier to think about. Joining us now is a man who's always in a fight camp. That's right. is a man who's always in a fight camp. That's right. 12-year NFL offensive lineman and currently in a fight camp in a man's basement in Arizona.

Host of In the Trenches, Super Bowl champion A.Q. Shipley. Hey! A.Q.! Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? A.Q.? Are you doing training with bones or what? Oh, look at that. That fucking wrecking ball, baby.

Wow. Right now, you won't go do a question marking ball, baby. Wow. Right now. Can you show us? Yeah, you won't go do a question mark kick on that thing. Yeah. You can't even get your leg up there. No question mark kicks. Come on. You can't even get your leg up there.

Last time I did kicks, I almost passed out. I did six in a row. I held my breath the whole time. I almost died. Smart. Yeah, we did see you. It appeared as if you were on a great diet and restriction. A little bit of Monarchy Car Care. We're as if you were on a great diet and restriction.

A little bit of Meineke car care. We're back. We got four kids, long football season. When you lift your leg up, that cuts off, you know what I mean? Your stomach goes to the lungs. That's right. So it's not. Get full tough.

Get full tough. Yeah, because as a punter, you know, those years I was fat, it was not as easy during practice because, A, I couldn't get my legs as high because the gut was just interfering. And also, it does, like, compress. Oh, yeah. Like yeah like getting winded i'm like why am i tired right now oh my entire fat shit is just eating into uh it's like i'm pregnant right now my organs are moving into nonetheless you look great we growing our hair out we growing our hair out wow i really let myself go i don't know what's happened i we had this stomach flu go through our house over the weekend. I was playing a guessing game with my butthole all weekend. Didn't know if I was going to fart. Amen, brother. Yeah, he could have had a Connor situation. He obviously exploded in his

Lululemons and on his toilet in his apartment in which the toilet is directly in the center of about the 100 square foot apartment that he has. That had to be a miserable experience cleaning that up. Happy you didn't have to do that. That's what you looked like at one time, dude, this year. That wasn't that long ago. Remember that. Got a six-pack. I'm going to get back there.

Let's go. I'm going to get back. Hey, why not, AQ? Yeah. I'm going to get back there. Come on, Al. That wasn't that long ago, AJ, was it? That was like a month ago, I feel like.

Bingo. I started training my guy Hainsey today, so I'm going to get back on the same diet. I'm going to get back in. All right, this will be a good pivot away from, you see our guy Bones is back, by the way? Oh, I was fired up. Oh, is that awesome? That is. I mean, he's obviously not been a perfect human.

He's a professional human. Yeah. Or a fighter. Yeah. He's a professional. Like, sometimes these fighters, I think there's a chance that. A couple wires get crossed. There's a chance that decision making is not always going to be fantastic.

It seems like he's in a great spot. And boy, did he look clean. And now he doesn't have to cut weight. Hey, Q, that Jones family is going to be entertaining, I think, going forward, pal. I mean, I think he's going to do the same thing to Stipe. I think he's going to do the same thing to him. Who knows if the Stipe thing is guaranteed. The Ohio guy.

The way Dana was talking about him, the way Dana was talking about it. Apprehensive? No, he said dealing with John is like dealing with an artist. You never know how this thing is going to go, I think is how he said it. And he meant it as like, hey, negotiating with John Jones is a vastly different situation than negotiating with everybody else. This is the greatest of all time we're talking about here. Conor McGregor, another guy who has built up his empire to where it is. Like Dana negotiating with Conor, probably a bit different than negotiating with everybody else.

So I think he didn't want to say like Stipe is a certainty. There's still a lot of things we have to get through to get there but it's great that John Jones is back it's also great that there's things to talk about in the NFL AQ combine happened this weekend obviously the offensive line went yesterday and today whenever you're talking about the combine you're talking about offensive line should we care about anything that's going on and what do you look like uh look at as a guy who's a coach now you know i think the only thing that you can literally take from the combine is maybe that 10 yard split for offensive lineman i think it's the only thing because it just shows your burst it shows what you can do in those first 10 yards it's really

all you care about i think from a coaching and a GM's perspective, really. I think that's the only thing you can take. The drills, you might as well fucking get rid of them all. They all stink. They're all stupid. They all mean nothing. They're terrible. They're absolutely terrible.

Just get rid of them all. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean they all mean? Yeah. I mean, the one where you try and stay on a line and open your hips, like what the fuck does that do? How does that translate to playing football?

Like what does it do? How do you feel about Voorhees? How do you feel about what happened to Voorhees? That guy tore his ACL in the middle of one of those on-field games. Yeah, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, I think we all think the same thing. I think this is an opportunity for all these coaches and GMs to get together, to meet with agents, to do all the stuff that they do during Indy week it's also another opportunity for all these coaches to get together

and kind of basically talk to other people to see okay hey you're a head coach next year we start to try and put our staff together whatever it is I think it's all just kind of a get together the NFL the NFL makes a ton of money off it and you know I think it the biggest thing you can take away from this is the interviews. The interview process, I think, is a good thing. I think that's the one thing. And I think it's another way for them to get the medical stuff. I think that's another good thing.

The on-field shit, get rid of it. We don't need it. That's the only thing we get to watch, though, AQ. AJ has a question for you. AQ, what do you feel? Like, I was watching the tight ends. And they put the tight ends on that tough sled with a little bit of weight on it I don't know if you watch it and they have to like hit their face first basically and a lot of them if you raise it at all it buries into the ground and

you can't do it they never really see much like can why are they doing that and what are they trying to see just that they they keep a wide base and they drive their legs like what is it AJ your guess is as good as mine I think we're just trying to see if you're tough enough to break your nose when you run into this stupid sled. What are we doing? I think it's so dumb. It's like when I watch high school stuff now, when they start showing these, like, rivals recruiting camps,

and they got O-line D-bines. One-on-ones. Live one-on-ones with no pads on. Like, what are we doing? Like, it's unbelievable. There's nothing you can tell about a football player in shorts during otas i've seen so many guys look like hall of famers doing otas and get cut the second week of training camp mentally though you have you guys all seen

that i think we have right yes yeah oh yeah yeah i i had the greatest gunner on earth. One OTAs. This guy was fucking unreal. Oh, my God. Hey, everybody else, just protect. Me and this guy will take care of everything else. We got it. That first preseason game, he got picked up by his pads. No. He got picked up by his pads and put onto his back.

And then it was like, all right, first time, he'll be all right. This next time, he's going to be okay. He went for a swim. Boom. Bang on it. I'm like, like, all right, first time, he'll be all right. This next time, he's going to be okay. He went for a swim. Boom. Bang on it. I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, boy. We're going to have to work on his hands.

Let's work on his hands. Next preseason game, same result. And all of a sudden, this guy's out of a job forever. But in shorts, this was the guy. This was the guy. But mentally, I think it's good. To your point, though, the interviews, massive. Okay?

Can't put those on TV, though. We got a chance to see Jalen Hurts' where he was being interviewed by Doug Peterson. Yeah. And he gave a full answer about, you know, being a dog and everything like that. And I enjoyed watching it. And the Eagles released that. We never see those. The only thing we do, 40s, I think you can see a little bit, right?

Vert, I think you can see a little bit right vert i think you can see some explosion in the athlete like there was an offensive lineman who i think won 40 he's like six foot seven out of byu he won 40 inches that's that shows some explosion right but all that other shit is not realistic i don't think uh and but i don't know as much as you do i'm happy you said it not me aq yeah i mean listen i think at the end of the day i think you're right but i think here coming up in three four weeks is that they can do the same stuff like when they go to the pro days you get a longer interview process you get to spend more time these interviews at the combine are 15 minutes and then you're on to the next so really how much are they really

getting done it's just a cram session and obviously there's more stuff you can you can do it's train station like at night but if you got an interview set up bang bang bang bang bang there's just a cram session. Obviously, there's more stuff you can do with the training session at night. But if you've got an interview set up, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, there's not a ton of time over there. So I think when you get the one-on-one stuff at the pro days, I think that's the stuff that's more important. So like I said, we can do away with the whole thing. We can do away with the whole thing.

I was talking to a few GMs this weekend. No big deal. Been in the business. Some people. I was basically asking them like, hey, have we learned anything about anybody? Like, has there been any? And they're like, I need to stress them a little bit, pretty much. Like, we need to, this is all too scripted, pretty much. Need to get them a little bit more stress before we can find out. I think that's how every position is being evaluated. I asked that about, like, wide receiver position

because we had a West Virginia guy who's, like, might be a guy. All of a sudden, I know. I thought he was a freshman. I thought we had him for another couple years. I see him in a calm. I'm like, there's no way that's the same guy I thought it was. He runs a 4.38 or whatever. It's like, excuse me, did this guy just jump?

Obviously, we have to look at him more, but this is not the setting really for us. Your thought immediately goes to like, so what are they getting out of this? You know what I mean? What are we getting out of all this stuff? I guess we got to see the quarterback spin it a little bit, which was awesome. That was cool. A.Q. is a coach, though.

A.Q., are you just trying to confirm what you saw on tape? You were a coach? What did you say? I keep cutting you off. Well, sorry. He said, yeah, you guys enjoyed that. Like, we're some fucking marks. Yeah.

We're the marks here. Yeah, okay. I'm a mark. This guy's been going through a stomach bug. Yeah, I'm a mark, too. You're right, AJ. Sorry. Go ahead, though, AJ.

No, I'm saying, AQ, you were on a coaching staff of a Super Bowl winning team. I don't know if you went to any pro days or anything, but if you go to the combine, aren't coaches, like the good coaches at least, they just want you to, like, confirm what they saw on tape? Like, hey, we just want to see you in person and see that, hey, you are this guy. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, right, like the tape's the biggest thing that matters.

They want to be able to see you in person. And I think the other thing that comes down to is they want to see if the mental side translates so the biggest thing for us as on the offensive line side is okay cool like the tape matches up now let's now let's pick apart his personality let's see if he is a prick let's see if he is a dog let's see what kind of mentality he has let's pick apart his personality. Let's see if he is a prick. Let's see if he is a dog. Let's see what kind of mentality he has. Let's just hear him talk about what do you love about football? Give me something

that you love. If this guy is like, I love fucking finishing people. Every chance I get, I want to put this guy on the ground. That's what I want to hear. Then you put him on the board and you're like, hey, draw up 36 power. And he draws it up to the left and draws some guy running like an inside zone. You're like, ah.

He doesn't know football. But that's why I'm here. Oh, so I'm going to have to coach? That's the biggest thing. You just want to see these guys on a board, see if they know football, see if they understand it enough where they can retain some stuff. The biggest thing that they like to do, especially on the O-line side, they might give you like three plays. they know football see if they understand that enough where they can retain some stuff like the biggest thing that they like to do especially on the o-line side they might give you like three

plays they might tell you hey listen i'm so and so from carolina panthers here's three of our offensive runs and they do like a quick little install on these three runs and then they want to see what you're what you can retain okay. I just gave you three runs. Draw up, duo, draw up, inside zone, draw up power versus three different defenses. They want to see what it looks like. I would want to know what Deuce Conner Trey looks like in their eyes. You know what I mean? Let me see what Deuce Conner Trey looks like. Where are we hiding the tight end?

How are you getting the boys? How are you going to enjoy the leverage that we're able to draw up for you? Are you able to get around? Are you a center that has feet? Are you training anybody this year or no? Yeah, I got Robert Hainsey again. Same guy. Okay, no new class, though.

Congratulations, you have not graduated in the shipyard. None of you are worth it. Is that what you said? Yeah, I just like keeping it simple. I put my attention into one person. Somebody wants to come train, give me a shout. Other than that, I put my attention into one person. Somebody wants to come train, give me a shout. Other than that, I got my attention on one person, and I go back to being a family guy.

What? Oh, here. Thank you. Well said. Good job. That's why I didn't want to coach anymore. I wanted to be with his family. It makes sense because when you're coaching, that just doesn't –

that's not a real thing. Like Tom? Not a real thing. Not a real thing. Hey, honey, you're doing great with the kids. See you in February, hopefully. You know what I mean? That is – that's coaching.

And I appreciated that you did that one time, though. Thank you for your service to football. There you go, Al. I just saw a photo up here. You were willing to do anything for your team. And I think that is why – you know what I mean? That is why you were a guy that was beloved everywhere. Thank you for your team. And I think that is why, you know what I mean? That is why you were a guy that was beloved everywhere.

Thank you for your service to football. Thank you. Can we fucking fix the copy machine? I mean, that thing was fucking terrible. Well, you're the guy that was supposed to fix it. So, snake toilets, you pick. Yeah, it's your job. Mask discipline is not very good.

Yeah, that was disgusting. Did COVID spread through you and the copy machine? Oh, my God. You put it in the copy machine. Everybody's getting it. Everybody got it. I did get COVID that year, too. Oh!

You beat it. Survivor. Yeah, you beat it. You did. There you go. I beat it. We're not even getting into it. Connor has a question for you, not about that, about football. Not getting into it. Survivor. Yeah. You beat it. You did it. We're not even getting into it. Connor has a question for you, not about that, about football. Not getting into it.

The New York Times did tell us, though, that mass placement by AQ was just fine. Yeah, that was an opinion piece. I think that has to be said. Sure, it was an opinion piece. It was pretty loud right there. It was very loud. It might have been my opinion, but I didn't write it.

AQ, you know, I'm curious because you said once when you were in here, you know, linemen are just big, fat, dumb dipshits and it's easy to play offensive line. Very simple game. There's no, you know, sort of mind or thought you just blocked the guy in front of you. What are you and Bob Hainsey working on? Are you working on stuff that is specific to the Bucs or specific to teams that they played or kind of how does that go in the offseason with him? That's a great question. Yeah, so the biggest thing with him is last year when I got him, he had no pro game film, right?

He didn't play at all his rookie year. Yeah. So it was tough. This year it's great. We got 17 games. He started all 17 games regular season. I got a ton of stuff I can break down from what he did during the season and then also just getting him more comfortable.

He was the right tackle for four years at Notre Dame. When we drafted him, we moved him into center. And since I've taken over the training with him, like in the offseason, it's just been really just getting him more comfortable. It's such a – moving from tackle to center is such a big difference. It's such a big jump. And so we're just doing as much as we can, as many reps as we can, all those reps that he may have missed out on when, you know,

you draft a kid that's played center for four years in college. He has all those reps from college. And now he never had any of those reps. And so now all we're doing is just repetition, repetition, repetition, working on his pass sets, keep hammering, keep working the run game. It's different playing in a neutral stance versus a stagger stance that he had his entire time when he was a right tackle, right? And so being able to go right and left.

He's got to set left. He's got to set right. He didn't have to do that as a tackle. Those are all huge things that we just got to get him comfortable with. And the more reps he gets, the more he gets better at it. Is it because of his stature? Why is he a center in the NFL? Yeah, again, the combine.

You know, it does a phenomenal job telling people that they're an inch too short. Arms are too short. Arms are too short. An inch too short of arms. All right, AQ, put your arms. I can take money out of people's pockets. Put your arms to your side. We're going to measure it. Okay, straighten your arms, sir.

There we go. Straighten your arms, sir. His wingspan. I am straightening them. Put them all the way out to your side, then. That's got to be the smallest wingspan we've ever seen for an offensive lineman. That's why you hate the combine, huh? That's a part of it.

I mean, at the end of the day, listen, I think the tape never lies. I think we all agree with that. I mean, how many times can we sit here? The tape never lies. I think that's the biggest piece of advice that you can give any young person, any coach, any scout, any exec, anything. I think when you watch it if the guy can play football he can play football now you know i think football speed's completely

different there's so many guys that run four six five four seven and they're seven time pro bowlers as a running back like who gives a shit if the guy can play football i can play football jacob tammy i don't know what his 40 was at the combine he. He was tight end out of Kentucky. He would leave the Colts and go to the Broncos with Peyton. He's one of Peyton's guys. He might have run a 4-7 or something like that. Kickoff, he was the first one in the end zone, though. Damn. Like, that would be the exact.

Football speed. Well, that's exactly like the 40. Yeah. And somehow he's the first one in there whenever there's guys. Should they wear pads, AQ? Should they wear pads at the combine next year? Owen D. Lyman maybe? I think.

I think that's a nightmare waiting to happen. We're tearing ACLs without pads on running the fucking O-line wave drill. I think at the end of the day the PA's going to step up at some point and just be like, hey, we can't do this. We've got a guy who's supposed to be a top 100 draft pick who just lost out on a shit ton of money.

Are you talking about Voorhees or just a future situation that could happen? I just think, yeah. I mean, I think when that stuff happens. Is he top 100, that Voorhees guy? That Voorhees guy is a guy? Do you know? I mean, that's the kid from UST you're talking about, right? Towards ACL.

He had some injuries. Yeah, like, I mean, I read this morning he's supposed to be a top 100 guy. I've never seen him play. I've never watched anything. I'm just going by what I've read. He had the most reps on the bench press. With the torn ACL this morning, he went 38 on 225. That matters, right?

Yeah, I mean, I think that shows something, but at the end of the day, somebody put it up the other day, too. Like, Trent Williams did 23 reps. He's the strongest fucking human on planet Earth, man. Tony Diggs has a question for you. Yeah, thank you. to all your points that you talked about hainsey going from right tackle to center in the nfl they're talking skaronski his

arms are too short he's gonna have to move the guard is it easier to move from like tackle to guard or tackle to center versus maybe you're in the nfl and you're gonna move from right tackle to left tackle we we know Orlando Brown did it. Maybe a guy that you played with might have to do it. What's easier, or what's the different things going on with that? Yeah, so I think it's interesting. Like for me, when I moved from center to guard, I thought it was easier because I'm so used to having a guy right on my face.

I got to snap and block somebody initially with my hand. So he comes right on your face there at one of your center? Just stomping. Just comes right on it, right? Oh, man. Oh, geez. What are you talking about? Damn.

You tell me, you sickos. You're going to end up on Jimmy Kimmel. We're talking about football, dude. Get your head out of the gutter over there. What are you talking about? So, Senator, you're right here. You got Guy Rage just come right here on your face. Coming all over.

Right? Yeah, but I think that's the biggest thing. True, yeah. You stand up. You suck them up easy. That's a good stance right there. That's a good flat back. It is.

Huh? You see that? That's a good flat back stance right there. So, maybe I'm supposed to be interior offensive lineman i'm always doing that oh i'm always doing to take which goes to your point that goes to what we're talking about right here i'm supposed to be an interior alignment aren't i i think that's it that's good huh give a little point point the mic out fucking right there yes there it is. Now shift over here. Count him. He's out. Count him. He's in.

Do the other thing. Do the fake head down snap too. Yeah. Do the white. There it is. That's really good. That was good. Way, way. What's the rule on that? That's my bad time.

Way. Way. Good looking man. Oh, shit. Go ahead. Way! Way, sir! Good looking man! Ah, shit! The Coke Zero! No! Ball! Ball!

Ball! Ball! Bill, cue some paper towels. What was it? Coke Zero. Oh! Dale Jr. and Tank went down as well. Oh, no!

All the way. No, three. I tried to... In my head, by the way, that ball snapped right here to your head. It would have been perfect. That would have slid over. I was fucking aligning my slot receivers. Come on, Tony.

Get it together. That's on me. I apologize for spilling the Coke Zero, too. I know those are a dime a dozen. Yeah. Liquid gold. Tristan Warf, so he's going to the other tackle. Is he good or not?

We think he's going to be able to figure it out. I think he's tough. I mean, I think he's good to be able to tackle? Is he good or not? We think he's going to be able to figure it out? I think he's tough. I mean, I think he's good enough to do it. I think, you know, I think it's going to be a situation where he's going to have to get comfortable. You know, I think it's another thing. When you've been wiping your ass with your right hand for 22 years and now you've got to wipe with your left,

that's the way I can give you the best analogy. It's a little different, right? So I think it just becomes repetitions again well i think i think the bidet soul was able to accomplish it yep but he never played in the nfl at right tackle right he just played college right tackle yes good point then the nfl left tackle which i think is same you got to figure out how to do the feet but baptized early as opposed to right nfl level all pro level right tackle right worse yeah he's a stud i mean there's no question i think so many people don't realize it too it's like your muscles get accustomed

to certain things in this stagger right like if you're if your left foot's forward and your right foot's here you're this this quad's getting a different feel than this quad this calf this everything is in a different feel this The way your hands are thrown, the way you're used to feeling things inside hand versus outside hand. All these things go into it. You don't realize it. And then you go to the other side, and now it just feels awkward. So it just becomes about repetitions, getting used to using this hand now

as your coast hand and this as your outside hand. It's a completely different field. So Diggs' point, having to wipe with the other hand like you broke your wrist or something, I think the interior offensive line, they use Toto. They use the bidet. They're not wiping with any hand. They're square, right?

Exactly. Okay, got it. AJ, go ahead, pal. Sorry about it. You say it's reps. Like, say, Werfs is going from right to left. What can he do now in the offseason? What is he going to do?

Take a bunch of pass steps in the stance like he's a left tackle but then how long do you think it takes like real legit reps through training camp one-on-ones preseason and then till he actually feels somewhat comfortable in that stance yeah that's a great question i mean i can't answer that honestly like what that exact number is going to be but i think it's a lot i think it's going to be and then you're going to have to get live reps that's why it was so impressive when i saw tyron smith do that whenever he moved over to that to the right side or whatever it was late or whatever it was left side i think it was late in the season i was just like what is happening like this is crazy that he's going over here and playing this well after doing it so long at the left side.

So I think whenever it happens and people do it quickly, I think that's freakish because, again, like your hips are offset a certain way, your quads, I mean, everything's different. Your hands, the motion, the way you throw your hands. So many people, you know, left tackle might be an inside hand thrower. So, boom, he gets so used to it. Boom, to boom that hand's coming well now that's the other hand so now that's his outside hand and now getting this it's just it's completely different it really is and so he's got to get live reps and he's got to get live reps against good guys fortunately he's got some good pass

rushers down in tampa so he'll have plenty of reps otas if they go and then obviously training camp ty has a question for you aq aq why do you think uh in terms of like you know i mean we see anthony richardson all the stuff he does his draft stock goes through the roof when it comes to o lyman it seems like that never happens no matter what unless it's one of these dudes from a small school it seems like it happens every single year like this year the dude from north North Dakota who doesn't have the teeth. And I don't know if that starts at the Senior Bowl or the Shrine Bowl. Like one of these guys who either played D2 or D3 or whatever,

they get a little shine. These are only the ever guys who their draft stock actually moves when they come to the combine. Why is that? Yeah, I think partly because of what I said. It's like nobody gives a shit about the 40 yard number nobody cares about that so like you know like what like nothing's really getting accomplished for lineman at the combine okay cool let's watch him do the same fucking wave drill he's done 400 times like that does nothing like put aaron donald across from him see what he does like

that's the biggest position group where you have to see him versus somebody else. I think even OTAs, it's like, let's not put stock into this because you're wearing a loose jersey during OTAs. You're doing all these things that aren't realistic. The entire

position of O-line, D-line is about violence with your body and your hands. Boom. We've got to throw. We've got to throw our head in there. None of that stuff can be done at a combine. position of O-line D-line is about violence with your body and your hands boom we gotta throw we gotta throw our head in there none of that stuff can be done at a combine during OTAs none of that stuff whenever you're not wearing pads so I think that's the biggest thing an interesting

little kind of fact tidbit that the way these scouts and execs and GMs think about and I didn't know this until I got into the coaching side kind of learning on that side of the way these scouts and execs and GMs think about, and I didn't know this until I got into the coaching side, kind of learning on that side of the way that they think and operate with some of these D2, D3, like lower-level guys. A lot of them won't even look at those linemen going into the draft

unless they were left tackles at those schools. So if you're at like a Wisconsin Whitewater, a Colorado Pueblo, like anything like that, like you had to have been a left tackle at that school because in their eyes that's the best lineman playing the best position on the lower level, and now we can move them wherever. If you look at the Bucs when I was down there, Ryan Jensen, Colorado Pueblo, Allie Morpette went to like Hobart, which is like a D2, D3 school. Alex Capra went to, I forget the name of the school.

Humboldt State in California. All three of them were left tackles at their schools. How about you pulling Humboldt State out of there? We were about to talk about how disrespectful you are and bad of a teammate, but instead pull that thing right out of your ass with your left hand and your right hand. Could have played guard, center, or any other position needed. We appreciate you so much for your time and your information, sir. Enjoy

the rest of the day. You look good. You look... Baby, grow that hair out. Yeah. How about it? Yeah, skull it. You did it earlier. You were saying something very real, and you did that whole thing, and all any of us saw was, like, the little head that was on the top of your head. You know what I mean?

It was tough. But you crushed it, and I think you're living your best life. You need to know that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Always fun with you boys. Super Bowl champion, A.Q. Shippen. Yeah!

All right, we figured it out. Combine don't mean a damn thing for offensive linemen, and A.Q. carries some real hate in his heart for the combine. Did you hear that, AJ? Combine drills, specifically, he carries a lot of hate. Yeah, I felt like the whole thing. I understand, though. It's true.

You've got to know, like, yeah, someone can be super fast, they can jump high, they can do all this stuff, but can they play football? Like, that is what we need to know. Voorhees tore his ACL on field drills. Some offensive lineman blew out his hamstring while running the 40. So it's the biggest moment of their lives, their biggest audition of their lives. We need you to do everything you don't do in football to get a job in professional football.

Don't think about it. This is how it's always been done. You just put on the noble and fucking do it. It's kind of how it's viewed, right? Feels like. Yeah, pretty much. That's how it is. But the PA and DeMora Smith and people are trying to change that a little bit,

right, and give players more power. Yeah, and I think we could. I think there's a smart way, you know. We can adjust what the offensive line does. Yeah, you should do a 10-yard. Literally every – They don't need to run the 40. That's 100% true.

I don't run 20. I don't run 20. Yeah. But every strength coach that you'll have, good college and in the pros, I guess not at Baltimore. True. But every position that guy has since been let go, we hope everything's good, we hope he gets better

so everybody that works out for him doesn't hate him going forward for the rest of his life. That's certainly not how it's supposed to go. Every position has their own designated work. A bigs are doing this, mids are doing this, speeds doing this. And then the combine's like, we're all doing everything. Yeah, you're right right doesn't make any sense they even have different conditioning tests when i was in cincinnati a lot of places run like

half gassers and sometimes oh i'm d-line run like just half of the half gasser so just one one way across uh the field but in cincinnati i think we ran 40s maybe 20 or 30 40s in d-line o-line big group ran 20s and i'm like yeah this makes sense they can burst and get out and they don't have to run 40 because very rarely would they ever run 40 yeah they started up on like the 10 right yeah they'd be up ahead of us yeah yeah yeah that was that was genius i just remember carl you know carlos dunlop still play you just got a ring with the chiefs carlos is on the team absolute freak of a human carlos would be doing 20s and he could win every single 40 against the whole team like his his burst and his get up like two str human carlos would be doing 20s and he could win every single 40 against the

whole team like his his burst and his get up like two strides carlos goes 32 yards like the dude is unreal so my freshman year i get into college my first time in the football world i'm fresh out of soccer still and i was pretty fast in soccer and my lungs good we're in a good spot i've been running i'm running with the speed that first summer in my freshman year and that's like those were some fucking hard workouts like those are some tough times pat was pack on the team then uh pack had just left pat white was on the team though so i'm running with pat steve uh you know basically all of our corners like wide receivers i'm running with it but i thought like hey this will be how i earn respect you know from these guys then sophomore year i'm like all right i'm going to the mids i'm going to go over i'm gonna go over the lbs i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with the mids and then i get to the nfl

and i asked vinnie i'm like who we running with he's like oh line absolutely we're running with the bigs in the in the nfl so i've literally run with all three groups i want to let you know life is good with the bigs it is not good as a big in the bigs though what i'm like it's smart though to adjust the 315 pounder versus the 180 pounder running differently let's think about that with the combine let's adjust some things let's use our brains and let's make it as beneficial as possible because i think we all would like to see it continue. And if you hear the way AQ talks, and if you hear the way like DeMaurice Smith is phrasing it, it's like, we would like this to be beneficial, so we'll continue to have this as an opportunity to learn about who's about to be in the fucking NFL. But we got to use our

brains. We can't just be like, man, this is how it's always been. Do it, you fat fuck. Like, we can't do it. We're at the point now where we know a lot more stuff. We have learned a lot more stuff. And there's new ideas that have worked, and we've seen them work. So, like, let's continue to evolve. I think that's all I'm asking. Every year is like clockwork. Poor Big Snacks.

Casey Hampton was doing the same conditioning test as Ike Taylor. Yeah, man. What were you going to say? Oh, I was going to say kind of similar. It's a real deal, though. Casey Hampton used to show up. This dude was a Volkswagen bug showing up the first

day of training camp. Always a story. Casey Hampton has not made weight this year. They're going to take a week, try to get him in a better shape, weigh him in next week, and see how it all goes. He would always be carrying a pillow. He'd be walking in. I'm ready to get to work.

And then he'd just walk into the door. It's 380 pounds. Unbelievable. So good at football. So good at football. But those first couple weeks, his joints having to do something similar to somebody else's is dumb and rude. And not everybody can get away with that.

You've got to be incredible at football like Big Hamp was. What were you going to say, Colin? Well, and if it's about like ratings and money then you do what you kind of did this past weekend except you just put the premier guys on saturday sunday like you put the quarterbacks the running backs the wide receivers the dbs on saturday and sunday from you know one to eight one to seven whenever it was because that's when the most people are watching and then if you're putting a line d line on th Friday, then sure, maybe not everyone's seeing that, but that's when you don't have to run everything. So I was not invited to the combine.

I think kicking and punting you can kind of tell with an NFL ball. You get a chance to see, is this guy competitive too because there's other people around. Once again, I was not invited, so I cannot tell you what the feelings were being there. Probably wouldn't have been a Colt if I was invited because those are the types of situations I very much enjoy. Probably would have done well kicking if I had to guess.

Probably would have gotten into that. Not 100% sure. The guy out of Michigan State is Doug. Bryce Beringer? Yep. Sources have told me he's got it. Legit won games for MSU last year. Not even kidding. But he hits like good ball. Bomb.

It's not like a... He hits like an NFL ball. Yep he it's like 5-0 hang times and everything like that like he's so good he it's big balls they're saying he's projected like third fourth holy shit yeah like maybe maybe maybe uh maybe fourth round yeah like third fourth round late third early fourth or whatever so if you have a good if you have a great terrible offense, getting a punter is a weapon. Like that is when you normally see a team. It's like, hey, offensively we kind of stink, but we have a great defense, so we'll try to win with field position. They're saying somebody's going to go get him.

And the kicker was Moody, I think. Yeah, from Michigan. I guess he had a fucking hell of a performance. Hell, yeah. I heard that from a couple different sources. So good on those guys having a great workout. Those types of things happen all over the place, though. There'll be a pro combine in Dallas that a bunch of scouts and special teams coaches will go to.

There'll be a pro combine in Arizona that a bunch of scouts and coaches will go to in the kicking world and everything like that? Do you think those guys are ever, especially the specialists, watching the XFL just to see? Do not go to Vegas. If you're a kicker or a punter, and I think there are a lot of younger ones and guys in the league now watch, do not go kick in Vegas in the XFL. They are playing in the middle of the desert. It is like 45 mile an hour winds there it in arizona in the middle of the desert yeah i think guys are going to ruin their careers going the kick in this for this vegas vipers team in the middle

now i don't know if this is how it's going to be every single week a ref had to hold the fucking kickoff a ref a ref held the kickoff because how windy it was like the ref and granted that happens on just standard windy things but watching those games out there it's like very very windy i'm like this ain't helping your nfl hopes i don't think just missing kicks everywhere i don't know if so the ref hold it and not a player so they have that they're lined up downfield oh that's right yeah yeah okay and i heard fucking troy vincent say we're taking a look at what other leagues Why would the ref hold it and not a player? So they have that. They're lined up downfield. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And I heard fucking Troy Vincent say, we're taking a look at what other leagues are doing.

Don't you fucking think about it, Troy, doing what the XFL does for those kickoffs. XFL has a lot of great ideas. We can go all the way back to the Skycam. Shout out to the XFL. Their review system. We love it. Shout out for that whole entire thing. Yeah.

That kickoff looks like a practice. Mickey Mouse. It looks bad. It looks, we'll go to Seaford. It entire thing. Yeah. That kickoff looks like a practice. Mickey Mouse. It looks bad. It looks, well, it's safer. It's like. Okay. I mean, the one they have now is pretty safe. Yeah, it feels like it always gets, and I don't know the numbers.

We should look into this. We'll have our own people do our numbers because we know how stats can be kind of portrayed. Yeah. It feels like every time they talk about making a game safer, always goes right to kick off and punt it's like they're directing the conversations like oh yeah well we're gonna make the kickoff and the punt better and everything like that i'm like is it still you know because kickoffs mostly touchbacks yeah now it's not better you can't say better you could say potentially safer not better but they're saying they want to we'll continue to evolve and we're looking at what other... They'll take it out.

They'll take it out eventually, probably. Come on. Can't have it, AJ. Don't need you saying that. I don't want them to. I don't want them to. I mean, I guess I say that, but I don't. I don't think they'll completely take it out. I guess it just seems like way too much to completely take it out, but it will continue to evolve I bet. Can't do the XFL kickoff though. Can't have it. I saw that

last time the XFL, I was there for that one game I did on the sideline. And I watched it happen. I almost couldn't take anything serious. And then I saw some good football. Did you? That last time. I feel like they had. Yeah, there actually was some decent

football the last time around, I feel like. Gordon, Josh's flash is playing his ass off. Yeah, him and Danush got a special connection. That's Martavis, too. Martavis? Right. What's the attendance been like for most of them? So many people. Yeah, it depends on the city.

D.C.'s good. They love their... They're undefeated, too. Fuck Dan Snyder! They're going to those D.C. Defenders games as like a strike boycott against the Commanders almost. That's great for Dwayne. Dwayne needs to figure out. Dwayne Johnson and Danny Garcia need to, like St. Louis, great attendance we'd assume.

And that's as a fuck St. Louis Rams type thing. Need to find those cities that feel jaded by their NFL teams and put XFL teams in there just so the fans will show up to say fuck you to the other one. I just remembered XFL ended the world. Remember Seattle Dragons Nacho guy ended all the world. Yeah, that was when the XFL got canceled. That's right. There was a concession stand worker that had COVID that was serving nachos to patrons of

the game and we had to shut it down. Hundreds of thousands of people died because of that guy. At least. We need not say that type of stuff. I thought that's what the report was. That's how it got into America? Yeah.

Through the tortilla. AJ, there's a lot of COVID stuff. It's hard not to just be like, what the fuck, Matt? We are way too dumb to be the ones that are talking about it. We will say, though, like, there's a lot of alarming stuff being said right now, AJ. Like, alarming, alarming stuff. How's it all going to play out, though?

That's what I say. I mean, I just, there's so much out there. It's like, whatever. People are set. So, we've been in a situation where like the New York times has said something. Wall street journal said something. HBO has said something.

Numerous places have said something. And then we watched it post. And then we, and then we get sued and all those people don't. We've been in that situation before. Yes. We've been there before. Yeah.

In this case, it does feel like all the heavy hitters are saying something. Oh yeah. You know, that's why it's hard not to talk about because it is such a massive conversation from sources that's like okay i'm not reading this off of some jerry and joe's you know bullshit little blog like these are coming from massive news sources you don't like jerry and joe's dot com no i just don't like taking shots at them i'm not taking shots on but if i were to say well i read on jerry and joe's blog that the mass don't help that doesn't carry as much weight as you know i read in the new york times that the mass didn't help you know it's two different kind of things

we had some breaking news before we get to a break you're right with that by the way yeah it's just that's why remember aaron said rogan was a part of a council of like 15 people that he talked to yeah Yeah. And that's when Dr. Joe Rogan started. You know what I mean? Oh, you listen to a podcast host about what? Get the fuck out of here. Well, he also said he talked to like 10 doctors and everything. Joe Rogan

just happened to be in there. So to your point about Jerryandjoes.com, New York Times carries a lot more weight than Jerryandjoes.com or Joe Rogan even. Still love JerryandJoes.com or Joe Rogan even. Still love JerryandJoes.com. JerryandJoes doesn't have an agenda. Other places might.

Yeah, but Tony, they're in line. JerryandJoes has an agenda. Yeah. I will guarantee. No, I go right down the middle. I find all my news right down the middle. You'll find that a lot. How about Russell Brand and that guy oh yes that guy legitimately thought

he didn't have a political slant in his coverage that was wild to me i think that was my biggest takeaway like russell brand was fighting that the sky was blue to this guy and he was fighting back no as a member of the sky no it is not is not. That was my most surprising thing. Like, yes, you are. What do we even? I can't believe that was the topic that got them to that particular piece. You know what I mean? If that makes sense?

Yeah, I mean, none of it makes sense. But, yeah, exactly. It's just, yeah, it's weird. Russell Brand, what a change in direction his career has taken, too. I listen when I fucking heard it. Like, it is interesting. Actually, you know what, Diggs? You know what?

Russell seems like a guy that tries to shoot right down the middle, though. He legit does, doesn't he? Jaguars wide receiver. Ooh, here we go. Calvin Ridley has been fully reinstated back into the NFL after a year-long suspension because he put together an 11-leg parlay, another 9-leg parlay, and a 13-leg parlay in the state of Florida legally through a sports book, illegally via NFL guidelines, even though he was not on the roster at the time because he was

injured. He got suspended for an entire year because Roger Goodell said precedent has to be set with the legalization of sports gambling happening and it becoming much more of a reality in our faces every single day we cannot have any question of our integrity as a league none of our players can be caught gambling or even understanding what gambling is so the sophistication of the bets, I think, also added on to the whole thing. Calvin Ridley's back. He's currently on the Jaguars, I do believe. And that team adds another weapon. Congrats to Calvin Ridley serving his time.

Understanding that because he was the first, he was going to get the strongest and harshest penalty. He is now back in the NFL, A.J. Hawk. And credit to the Jags for picking him up, too. I mean, he gets suspended. Everyone kind of forgets about it. You realize this guy's a young player that at times could be an absolute stud receiver. We know that.

Very good football player. Yes. That offense. Trevor Lawrence gets another weapon, and the entire NFL gets told every single first meeting of the year you remember what happened to calvin ridley pete rose remember calvin ridley you remember what i'm thinking don't even think about it don't even go look around they'll say we're gonna take a lot of money from every sports book that'll pay us you all okay this is how this game is going to work you all can't no because then we stop getting as much money because people don't view our sport as fair because you guys can potentially compromise

at all okay so here's the game stay oblivious don't be calvin ridley and everything will be fine that is what every meeting is going forward aj proper it is but also how weird is it going to be at some point it probably already happened where they're like hey let's welcome on whoever a current player to the show on our whatever sports book we promote hotline or whatever or it's an nfl show and they're sponsored by a sports book or something so i'm not gonna say it don't need say it. That type of thing already started happening. Still happens. And we just kind of backed off of it because it's like we don't want to be the ones that say, like, that seems like you're dancing too close to the sun here. That seems like you are.

But, hey, do whatever you got to do. Get your money. Let's get to a break. Okay. It's going to be interesting okay it's gonna be interesting though oh yeah it's gonna even make more money as we go on every year so here is a as the states become legalized this is just the beginning oh oh yeah bingo um so the colts have a scratch-off here in Indianapolis.

Okay? What? I wanted to have a scratch-off. McAfee's millions. I wanted to team up with the Indiana State Lottery to have scratch-offs. Make it affordable. Grand prize. Million.

Like, let's do this. With my popularity in Indiana, with my demo in indiana i thought we could do pretty good on these scratch-offs i thought this could be a pretty good thing nfl told me absolutely not so i raised my hand in that meeting where they start breaking you know things down i go how come the ind Indianapolis Colts are allowed to deal with the lottery? I'm not. What was that all about? They're allowed to make money off of who they are, but

I'm not allowed to make money? It seems like a good idea. I'm not allowed to do that? They go, yeah, players and coaches aren't allowed to do that. Somebody pulled me aside and said, do you like it around here? Do you like the way it is the build the lights the building you know it's pretty nice place got a brand new stadium you know salary

cap is good money's good like i was together like no need to do the whole poke the bear thing i'm like okay all right i got you i got you i got you turns out that would have been a nightmare to do anyways with the amount i can imagine yeah be cool regulations but i was not happy that i was not allowed to do it and i'm like i'm sitting in a fucking what are we this place what are we even doing how about players weren't allowed to do any alcohol deals and then there'll be the crown royal launch is on the field it's like what are we even well you guys what are we different well i mean like what dude this doesn't make any sense same type of thing here with sports gambling this one though because the integrity of the game cannot be compromised we all agree with that i am a firm believer in that the perception can't even be

there can't can't even have an inkling of it that's why whenever when it happened we said oh not good not good not good and then when roger goodell gave the season-long suspension we said feel like that was pretty much understood but then the rest of the world was like a season for that two games for this four games for this eight games for this how does that whole thing work and it's like you like it around here yeah exactly that's pretty much that's pretty much how it all went down, isn't it? I mean, that's legitimately how it all went down. That's what will be fun to see how everything plays out

over the next five to ten years with all the money coming in. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Big money. Oh, yeah. And there are already marks on the internet talking about the NFL being rigged. So, yeah, if you were to add this into it, then, yeah, it would be a problem. I think you should be allowed to bet on your team, not against your team

because it'll make you try harder. Yeah, and sign them up for all the sportsbooks. And the sportsbooks can control what you can bet on. Would you like to place a $100, $500, $1,000, $10,000, $20,000

bet on your team. That's the only bet that is in the sportsbook for him. You're right, Tony. That'd be sweet. I mean, he bet against, like, the Jags, the Lions, a bunch of other. Did he use his own name and his own account? That's how they found him. So there was a service that the NFL employed that basically tracks all of the sports books, who signs up,

and if it's an NFL roster player, they find it, ding it, send it to the NFL. Boom. We learned that. So he could have just had a buddy. He could have had a buddy do it for him. Yes, which nobody is doing. No. Wouldn't even think to do that.

Nobody is doing that. For the good of the game. That's right. Happened to Miles Austin. Can't be happening. Oh, yeah. When he was coaching. Yeah, he was doing it from the team facility.

He got fired, right? Yeah, he's betting on the MLS or something. I guess I see they can't let any of it go. Bernie Kosar was calling the games on the radio for the Browns. Placed a bet. Oh, yeah. Gone. Yeah, you can't be associated

with the NFL and be associated at all with a sports book. Okay. We've learned that through multiple situations. That's the NFL stance right now. Strictly because the NFL is rigged is a real thing being talked about, but if that becomes

a mainstream conversation where legitimate people are saying it, that's not good for the league. That's really the only thing that could probably slow down the NFL at this point. Games are rigged. That's one of the only things that I think could, but what if the NFL tries to start their own sportsbook? NFL Plus.

They make their own rules anyway, right? They could figure it out. NFL Bets. Probably just easier to just take a shitload of money from all these other sports books. Yeah. Probably. Not as much of a headache. They would get a lot of skins.

You got to open your books, though. Kind of like the young bull, old bull. Licenses in each state is what Connor was talking about. Yeah, do you want to run down the hill or walk down the hill? Great question, AJ. Joining us now is a man who's in the NFL for over 17 years, has over 18,000 surgeries to his name. He's worked not only with the Chargers, with the WWE,

the U.S. Olympic Committee, in the NBA, the MLB, and has been to over 20 combines. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. David Chow. Yeah, doctor! Doc, what's up? Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me on. Doc, listen, I'm a a lot. Thanks for having me on. Doc, listen. I'm a fan of your work, okay?

I think you're an incredibly good guy. I listen to what you say, a pro football doc. The only reason I haven't had you on is because, and I guess I was wrong in thinking this, were you the guy that stabbed Tyrod Taylor with a golf tee and then had Justin Herbert start? And I've always been scared to have you on because I would have to talk about that. I just learned that that was not you. Well, I mean, look, that was Los Angeles Chargers. I'm in San Diego.

I, quote, stabbed over 100 different Chargers, including Phillip Rivers, dozens of times, and he's let me talk about it. Thankfully, his stabs did not involve his lungs. But rib blocks are a common thing that happens. No, that wasn't me. But I actually, on my podcast, kind of broke the news on that, because we're watching from our war room that day, and all of a sudden, no Tyrod Taylor, here's Justin Herbert. We saw the medical doctor, Then we saw reports of him being in the hospital. And we Quincy-like put it together that, oh, he was on the injury report for a rib. All of a sudden, last minute, we actually sort of broke the news on it. But then, of course, your guy, Rapsheet, and then Schefter exploded the news. But we do injury analysis, not injury reporting.

Okay, or stabbing with golf tees. Right. Which I should have done more research. And this is going to sound weird, but I've always wanted to protect you almost by not having you on the program. Because I am a fan of your work. Our people, though, if you come on and I don't ask about that, are going to call me a coward. I do ask about that, and you are the guy. Your social media life is going to be vastly different. Wasn't you? Okay. ask about that oh yeah gonna call me a card i do ask about that and you are the guy your your

social media life is going to be vastly different wasn't you okay there you go doc it wasn't it wasn't me but we i've injected my fair share of ribs over time and done rib blocks and i get the peril and i feel bad for the doctor and actually when i wrote about and reported it i made a point of not putting his name out there so that he would. Yeah, looking out for other doctors. We know how it works here. Good man. Let's dive into this a little bit.

The initial report out of Rapsheet was that there was a pain tolerance test, standard pain tolerance test that was offered up for an offensive lineman. And then that was, it created an injury. And then he was sore and he wasn't able to do his thing then Ian Rapport had to create an NFL spokesperson he says uh uh is clarifying my use of the term pain tolerance test saying there is no pain tolerance test the player underwent a typical physical exam so that person literally said you like it around here what is this how did he get confused with that? What could that potentially be? And what is the standard physical test at the combine,

Dr. David Chow, who's been to 20 of them, worked to 17 plus years? Look, there's no question that there's no such thing medically as a pain tolerance test. Are there quote pain tests? Sure. Are you tender here? Are you sore here as part of the exam? But it's not like pressing on a body part and can you stand it. Are there tolerance tests? Yes. Is your knee stable? Is your ankle stable? Does your shoulder go all the way out this way? And do you feel some pain or soreness or being loose? Can you tolerate certain things? This had to be a non-medical person that linked the two. Not Rapshie. We love Rapshie. He's my guy. He's your guy. We love Rapshie.

He's not Aaron's guy. And it's agents somehow, a lay person linking the two as pain tolerance. No, there's tolerance testing. There's some quote tenderness testing. But look at this objectively, Pat. Look, these are doctors examining people. This is not the Incredible Hulk with big green hands pulling on someone's ankle. Look, in the football world, you got position players in general. And outside of Pat McAfee, you got punters and kickers, right? And then doctors are like down here, here right in terms of strength and weather how are 32 doctors even if you pull on

someone's ankle hurry but the force of a 6'5 308 pound guy landing on his ankle in a pass set is much greater than any doctor pulling and the only way it could have done something and i'm not saying that anything was wrong with his ankle but there was was one case Tyler Croft in 2015 talked about it. And he said his ankle was aggravated by the exam. Well, he came in with a high ankle sprain, 10 week timeline for return. It was six weeks at the combine. He let people examine and tweak on his ankle. And he said the next day it was more sore, but that was a preexisting injury so if for a normal ankle to happen it doesn't happen and let me say this and hopefully i'm not over my skis here i think i'm going to say this because this pain tolerance thing is just ridiculous i mean i'm chinese so i can say this but no doctors are taking bamboo shoots into

people's fingernails and seeing how long you can stand the pain. It's just not what happens there. So I find some of the offshoot of this a little bit ridiculous. Okay. Thank you for clarifying everything that you just clarified from the beginning all the way to the end. What is that? And AJ has a question for you before. The bounce home. Isn't there a bounce home that could potentially happen? Is that a... Yes. In a knee test, let's say if there's a loose body or meniscus a bounce home test and said oh does that hurt like do you feel pain not how much pain can you stand that's what i got there are that's for tenderness and soreness no question i they gave me one one

time and i don't know what it told them but it hurt like a motherfucker i just heard i'm like yeah hurts like hell whatever you just did okay good good good i'm like good yeah, hurts like hell, whatever you just did. Okay, good, good, good. I'm like, good. I feel like it's hyper-extending my leg there. Sorry, go ahead, AJ. Well, the answer is no. If they ask you, does this hurt, the answer is always no. I feel like at the combine, no question. No, yeah, I was already in the league.

Yeah, already in. You're already in the league, so yeah, of course. But, Doc, when you guys, like the doctors examine all these players, I know most doctors, what what they give a certain grade to each player depending on like what how healthy they may be can you explain what that might be i was in college actually each team has different grading systems just like each gm and scout has different grading systems and you don't always agree one team may say grade a guy higher medically or lower medically it's somewhat subjective despite all the medical testing that's out there this is why teams send their own medical staff to get their own grades okay so

whenever you look at a guy who missed a couple games right last year for usc in vorhees then he tears his acl doing a pointless drill in every offensive lineman's. Is that grade what? Like, how do you grade that? And what is the messaging that team doctor has to give to actual decision makers? And are they basically all the same? Well, the messaging is very customized, right? Obviously, unfortunate for this kid. He tore his ACL, so he's headed for surgery. And what I would tell a team if I were still in the league is,

obviously, he fails a physical right now. But that doesn't make him undraftable. Look, he can be fixed and come back. Maybe not this season, more likely next season. You know, Jeffrey Simmons with the Titans tore his ACL during training. And we panned him at Sports Injury Central saying he isn't going to be ready for the start of the season. But the Titans, he dropped in the first round. The Titans picked him. He's fine now, and he looks like a pretty good draft pick. So it doesn't mean you're undraftable. And by the way, injuries happen every year at the Combines, unfortunately. Every other year, someone tears their peck in the bench press. Look, last year in Pro Day, David Ojabo tore his Achilles. I mean, these are big men doing high-speed activities, and unfortunate things do happen.

So, Doc, you're incredible, by the way, at what you do here. I'm really appreciating, you know, your conversation that we're currently having. I think we were talking to Brett Veach, and A.Q. Shipley asked him a question about an offensive lineman who maybe had a couple red flags for some medical people, but then Veach sent it to a doctor and was like what do you think and Veach actually said I'm sending it just thinking this guy's going to say do not draft keep moving and he actually came back and was like I think if we're

able to do this this and this we'll be able to handle it we'll be able to manage it are there teams that are known to have like I don't know how to say it, more confident doctors in being able to fix problems? And is there some teams that are, like, ultra-conservative? How do they get chosen, and is there any of that type of reputation around the NFL? For me, knowing who the doctors are in the league personally, and having been at the combines, I have an idea of what the different doctors are like. But for the average GM head coach or holder— Are they just a better doctor?

Are the people that are more conservative, do they care more? Are the people that are a little bit more risky with their results, are they better doctors in their minds? Like how does that even, you know what I mean? How do you even have a difference of opinion on these things? Well, how do you have a difference of opinion on who the number one quarterback is or the number one draft pick is or who you should select? Differences of opinions happen, and it happens in medicine too. I look at it this way.

When we're in medicine taking care of these athletes, athletes like you guys, you know, Pat and AJ here, you know, you're driving an Indy car, right? And it's race cars. You guys are race car guys. Any driver can go 200 plus miles an hour on a straightaway. Any doctor can say smooth sailing, let's go. Anybody can make it to a turn by going slow enough. But the key is in NFL sports medicine, if you want to be successful, is to know when the straightaway is ending, better slow down here. Or when the curve is ending, better hit it to hit the ground running. So it's to know what's

happening in the whole situation and it's not a cut and dry formula like look at patrick mahomes high ankle sprain you're out four weeks six weeks at sports injury central we said this this dog's gonna play through because he throws off platform anyways unlike other people and so he's going to be able to compensate for not putting that back foot into the ground. So that's what we do at Sports Injury Central. And honestly, it has to do with why you guys are so successful. You guys were there on the field. Well, as a doctor, myself and the other doctors for what we do, we're in the room when it happened, right? You know, on the other side of this, we were at combines, we graded people, we did all this stuff. We got people back. There's a lot of people that want to be in the room where it

happened. You know what I mean? A lot of people, just like my country. I'm young, scrappy and hungry. I believe I'm cultured. I've seen it. I know what we're doing right here with Hamilton. Also shout the IndyCar. The first race of the season was yesterday. Graham Rahal, sixth place. Erickson, I believe, with a winner. He was an Indy 500 winner last year. Dixon in second place. A great IndyCar. Hey, Doc, you're having a great day.

Go, Doc. Doc, you're rolling right now, Doc. You're rolling. Tony Diggs has a question for you. Doc, so the situation with Brock Purdy, he was supposed to have surgery. There was still inflammation. Now they're going to try to have surgery again. That injury, is that a Tommy John injury? Is that similar to the surgery that Ben Roethlisberger had? What do you think is going on with Brock Purdy?

There's no question it's surgery on the Tommy John ligament. Is it classic Tommy John surgery with the reconstruction? We don't know yet. It hasn't happened. We hope not. We hope it's more Big Ben repair. Look, at the Super Bowl and where i saw you guys a little bit there uh you guys were swamped and busy always so no big hello other than a and then a wave but i was saying there this brock purdy thing he could be ready by week one but there was no guarantee he was going to be ready by week one and how do you project a return timeline when at Radio Row, he hadn't even seen the doctor yet. When he finally saw the doctor

who was going to do the surgery, the timeline got pushed back. And now I think people see this is going to be tough, the 49ers to count on Brock Purdy right now. Why was that swollen this far after the season? Is that normal? Or is it because he threw a little bit

after he injured it? Like what happened there? He slept on it wrong? Why was that thing delayed yet again to this week, I believe? Yeah. It's my belief. It's my belief. And he is going to have surgery at the end of this week.

It's my belief that it wasn't so much the swelling. It was the loss of range of motion because of the swelling. And one of the tenets of this Tommy John family of surgeries, whether it's true Tommy John or Tommy John repair, is you want to have full range of motion of the elbow. Just like when you do an ACL, you want to have full range of motion. That's why the doctor chose to wait a little bit. So it wasn't swelling? It wasn't swelling of it?

Because that was the report. No, no. There's no question there's swelling because there's torn tissue. The ulnar collateral ligament is torn. So there is some swelling. But it's the range of motion, I think, that he didn't have in addition to the swelling that led for the small delay. Normal to have the swelling, not normal to have the lack of range of motion whenever surgery has already been scheduled? Well, the goal is to come in with normal range of motion.

And it gives you the best chance of retaining normal motion, which is important for a throwing elbow quarterback. Interesting. Doc, what about all this grass and field turf situation going on? We see the players trying to band together, trying to get grass everywhere in all the stadiums. They say, hey, the soccer teams can all do it. Why can't we do it?

What do you see when you look at the numbers when it comes to injuries with grass compared to some of this turf? Well, there's no question the better the footing, the more your foot sticks. The faster, the better you can cut, but the higher the potential injuries. It's like a ski binding. If you're a professional ski racer, you crank that binding tight. But if you're a beginner, you leave it loose so your knee can pop out and you don't get hurt. The problem is grass is slicker, which is better.

But statistics show it's about one major knee ligament injury a season. And it's half grass, half turf right now in the NFL. What would you do? You'd make it all grass? I'd love to have that problem to be a billionaire. Yeah, I'd probably make my backyard grass that's all i'm worried hey man hell yeah connor has a question for you yeah doc one of the bigger conversations this year around injuries was the situation obviously with the concussions you obviously are an analyst of the injuries did

you know on that first you know play where there was a back injury or a concussion and then there's kind of that mix-up with the whole thing? And then also what is your thought around the unaffiliated neurological consultants each team has? Well, first of all, each team has three of them, right? One in the booth, one on each sideline. As far as real-time when Tua had that, quote, back issue, when I saw him go down i said he's out you know real time twitter from the war room etc

i was equally surprised as everyone else that he returned to the game i can see a it being his back but i'd love more transparency from the nfl if a pool reporter can talk to an NFL referee after a game, like after the Super Bowl, to get the explanation of the holding call, why can't they talk to the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant or Dr. Sills and hear it immediately say, this is what happened, it really was his back, and this is why. So I get why people are worried about it. In the big picture, Tua's had two documented concussions this season. A lot of people say three. I get why you would say three. But, you know, Mitch

Morris, center for the Bills, has had six total concussions in his career and has come back and continued to play. Kenny Pickett had two this season, has continued to play. Tight end for the Steelers, their new young tight end, has had a couple concussions.

That's his name. He is a couple. Pat Fryer. Fryer Muth. That's his name. He is a dog. How many is he at? Oh, Doc, I fucked it up. That's his name. Fryer Muth. We all have to yell his name.

That's it. Muth. We apologize. We messed that up. That's a lot of concussions for those guys, huh, Doc? Yeah, and look, I think one concussion, especially a bad one, is too many, and I'm not advocating it. Look, if Tua asked me, and he hasn't, what's the best thing to do for my brain? I'd say quit playing the collision sport of football, but I'd say that for everybody.

But to single Tua out to say you can't play anymore, what about these other guys that had more? You have to take it very individually is all that I'm saying. And look, I'm very sensitive to the CT and concussion issue because I really consider a lot of the people in the league have been my friends, and I am worried about them. Okay, so are we. We appreciate you so much for joining us. We need to do this again, especially because you didn't stab a guy in the lung. Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean, Doc? Sounds good. Anytime. Anytime, my man. Appreciate you. You were amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. David Chow at Pro Football, Doc. Yeah, go!

He was fantastic, AJ. He is. He does a lot, like game day. I think big time for betting stuff where he will evaluate people's, like, who is hurt, who is not hurt, how hurt are they. Are you talking about Sports Injury Central, pal? SIC? Yeah, I think I am. He had polos.

He had a polo. I know. The War Room. He sits in the War Room and watches games and analyzes real-time injuries. I love it. Six concussions up there at Buffalo Bill's Center. That's a lot. What are they doing in Buffalo?

You say six in this year? No, just total, I think, total, total. How many has Fryermuth got? Two, I believe. Jesus Christ. Kenny's got two in one year. These guys wearing helmets in Pittsburgh? They changed helmets, so they're fine.

After they got one? Also, they started drinking steel straight from the tap. Boom. Liquid hot. We don't have the tap. Boom. Liquid hot. We don't have to worry about that. Lava. Let's go. If you have a phone call to make, go ahead and make it on the 5RNG phone line,

1-833-432-3663. That's 1-833-4. Da-dum. 5RNG hotline. We will certainly answer some of those calls here in a moment. Let's wrap up some things that we do know. Derek Carr, the numbers have come out. $100 million guaranteed to be the New Orleans Saints quarterback.

Congrats to him. Go, Derek. Derek Carr gets another big-time payday as a New Orleans Saints quarterback. We are incredibly proud and happy for him. What a guy. What a run. And Stephen A. Smith's reaction after saying i do not care this guy's played nine years in the nfl he has not won a playoff game who cares if he goes to new orleans saints well the saints care how much 100 million with 60

million dollars of that at signing another 10 million in year three vesting after year one car structures his deal to accommodate saints caps issue yeah yeah of course absolutely he does congrats the car did you expect this i did not but this kind of happened with tanahill too a couple years ago i think yeah i i did not expect these numbers seemed bigger than i thought they would be um especially since you could easily say hey it's a four-year, $150 million deal. And if they don't say any of the guarantees, you're like, all right, it doesn't matter. It's probably a one-year move-on deal. But the fact that he listed, he said 100 in total guarantees, and then he said 60 at signing,

and then he said 10, another 10. How does that equal 100? I don't know where the other 30 is coming from. He gets $70 million effectively fully guaranteed at signing, I'd assume. Oh, okay. My bad. Yeah. Yeah, okay. My bad. Yeah. Yeah, but he didn't.

I don't think he put that in there as well. $60 million signing. Either way, he's getting a ton of guaranteed money. I guess I didn't expect that much guaranteed. So that would mean that there's $30 million next year? Yeah. Coming? Guaranteed?

Yeah. Yeah, let's give Ian a call. What does this mean, Ian? I know. He said he would call back when he got the information. He offered. I, guaranteed? Yeah. Yeah, let's give Ian a call. What does this mean, Ian? I know. He said he would call back when he got the information. He offered. I said, fuck off. Okay, nice.

Just because of how quickly after the show it was. I can't take it anymore. You know what I mean? I can't take it. He did it with the commander's information with Carson Wentz. Literally, he's in our parking lot releasing that information about former Indianapolis Colts, Carson Wentz. So, $30 million next year then?

So it's $60 this year, $30 next year, then $10 for that year three, if we're reading this accurate, and guarantees, and that's the only money that matters. We'd assume that there is like Pro Bowl bonus in there. We'd assume that there's Super Bowl bonus in there, NFC Championship bonus in there, numerous escalators that'll get the extra $50 million, but that's how we get to $100 is what we're guessing? Yeah, or even just $40 next year, right? Because $40 next year will probably be what, $35 is this year?

So it says $10 million invested in year three. That's not at signing part of this. Another $10 million in year three. It's coming year three after year one. So after he plays his first year, that $10 million becomes guaranteed? So March 15th next year, he's due $10 million bonus for year three? And next year would just be $30 million guaranteed? Remember how we reported Aaron Rodgers' deal? Oh, yeah.

And Mahomes. Versus, oh, yeah. Yeah, they did it with Mahomes. They got a pass just because I'm not really sure. Because of how big the amount of money was. Yeah, but it was $438 million and they got a pass just because I'm not really sure. Because of how big the amount of money was. Yeah, but it was 438, right? But they said 500. Everybody.

500 million, 500 million, 500 million, 500 million. Anyways, congrats to Derek Carr. Way to go. Unbelievable. Good job. What a dog. We did not expect that. No, no, no, no.

Are you kidding? Florio put out a tweet that it's after going through everything, it's basically three years, $100 million. So 33 just a year. Good deal. I'll take it. Congratulations, Derek. We are happy for you, pal. Hell yeah.

That NFC South has a lot of new faces. Who'll be the new crown champs? Tom Brady's doing his thing. He said, let's fucking go at the end of a video where he was hyping up Jon Jones's return to the octagon. As soon as I saw it, I'm like, that's the most amazing thing I've seen. Let me screen record that. Used it this morning as my motivational speech.

Shout out to Tom Brady living his best life. He also announced an autograph signing, I believe, in Tampa Bay in his Voices horse because he had such a good time at the UFC fight. Hey, Tom, live it up, pal. Enjoy it, Tom. Tom, do your up, pal. Live it up, baby. Enjoy it, Tom. Tom, do your thing, Tom. Keep going, Tom. Hey, what was the stand-up rumor thing going around that wasn't real?

I think that was to promote the greatest roast of all time. You know, I believe in comedy. I think somebody got intel that there was some sort of comedian thing going on, and it was actually the roast that ended up getting announced later in the day. Morning was Tom Brady's trying to be a comedian. So maybe hired some writers for the roast that ended up getting announced later in the day. Morning was Tom Brady's trying to be a comedian. So maybe hired some writers for the roast, potentially. And that led to, because it's Tom Brady, false information being leaked. Fresh out of a divorce.

Retirement. Tom Brady getting roasted. It should be a good one. I think so. People boozing. Who's doing it should be a good one. I think so. People boozing. Who's doing it? What network? Netflix.

Hopefully it's, what's his face, Jeff Ross. Yeah. Hopefully he is smart. The roast master himself. He's only known for one thing. And by this stage, for how long he's only been known for it, you would assume everybody would fucking hate him. That is not the case.

No. He is unbelievably talented at fucking murdering people. That is not the case. He is unbelievably talented at fucking murdering people. I hope he's involved. Can't wait to see the others that are involved. Would assume there's going to be Gronk up there.

Matthew Jules. Peyton. Like Shaq. He'll get all the big time. Shaq, Charles Barkley might come. You never know. It's business though, bro. You know, some of these things.

That's true. Hopefully Giselle's there. That's what I said. She might be. What if she roasts him? What if they go at each other? That'd be awesome. She might still be down at Carnival. Right?

She's living. She's living. She might just come do jujitsu. She's rolling. She breaks out a matting with that guy that's been in Tom Brady's house around his kids. They just start rolling. Yeah. Put them in a triangle.

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly. Montanaits him with a football. Per TMZ. Boy, still thinking about it. Yeah. Still got the juice. His Super Bowl jersey from the, you know, whatever Super Bowl was, just sold for $1.4 million.

Just shattered the old record. Yeah, he's fucking Joe. What do you mean? What? I think it's amazing. I love that people still, like, because I value Joe Montana. I still hold him up to that level. million just shattered the old record still yeah he's fucking joe what do you mean what i think it's amazing i love that people still like because i value joe montana i still hold him up to that level i'm glad that the young kids are still doing i saw a throw on the internet he made uh like the highlight boy oh boy joe could sling it he was a dog yeah oh yeah i mean italian from western pennsylvania some people forget these children these days. Dan Orlovsky left him off his top five. Dan's a mark.

Dan is a mark. Who was calling us a mark? AQ. We're all football marks. You guys enjoyed watching him throw, didn't you? Yeah, we did. We did, actually. Ian just called. Let's answer that. Let's answer that. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy

who can break every piece of information in every news article the NFL has moments after exiting our show every fucking time. Ian Rappaport. Boo! Hi, guys. Ian. You know, I'll say this. With all apologies to my great sources, some of them watch your show.

For instance, I had a high-ranking source reach out to me before and say, I hope you got coffee, which I thought was very nice. Sometimes people think it's funny to not break news on your show. I just wanted to make sure I'm available to the people to explain what the Derek Carr numbers actually mean, since I know the meaning is important. Thank you for being such a hero, Ian. Honestly, you know what? You're right. That's what we should have been thinking about. And to the sources, come on. What's the deal? Let's send the info a little bit earlier. You know, it comes on every Monday. We do appreciate you watching.

Let's start talking about this. $100 million in guarantees, $150 million in total, $60 million at signing, another $10 million after one year that's pushed to year three. So that's $70 million in guarantees, and then year two is worth $30 million. Did we get that right pretty much? Yeah, so here's the best way to look at this. With all the numbers, the most important numbers, two-year deal for $70 million. That is the most important. So the way it's structured, it's going to be, I believe, $year deal for $70 million. That is the most important. So the way it's structured, it's going to be, I believe, $30 and $30. So it's going to be two years, $60,

and then an additional $10 is going to be guaranteed in year three that he's definitely getting once he makes it past year one. So unless they cut him after one year, $60 million, which would be crazy. He's getting two years, $70 million, with 10 of that a year after, if that makes any sense. So let's say he plays two years and he's cut. How's it $100? What's that?

Yeah, AJ just asked it. How's it $100 then? It's a 70 or something. That's guaranteed for injury. So if he sustains an injury that forces him to never play again, God forbid, knock on whatever, then he gets $100,000 guaranteed. Got it. So it's two years, $70 million in total,

if he was to make it to year two as a New Orleans Saint. Correct. And it's interesting because, like, you know, you sort of wonder. Like, I remember there were these rumors, like, Derek Carr wants 35. And I was kind of like, it's going to be interesting to see if he gets that. And he got it. I mean, that really shows you, like, if you don't have a quarterback, you got to pay. Congrats, Derek.

Way to go, Derek. Proud of you, buddy. You just reported, I believe, that Ingram officially franchise tagged. Did anybody else officially get picked up? Ingram got tagged. Orlando Brown, not tagged. Come to Indy. Whoa.

We need a tackle. I mean, I would say there's a lot of people right now. Like, franchise left tackles almost never become available. Now, he could resign at Kansas City. He likes it there. They're going to keep working. Loves it. But he's going to open market.

So, like, let's say you're a team like I don't know. I'll just throw out a random team. The Chicago Bears. Ryan Poles who used to be in Kansas City who have a lot of cap space and who need offensive line help would potentially be able to make a lot of money from one of those teams I would say.

Congratulations to the Bears getting a dog it sounds like. He did talk highly of Kansas City though and how much he appreciates it. That holds weight, it seems like, whenever we were talking to Orlando. We appreciate the hell out of you, Ian. You're the man. Good luck on TV, pal. Thank you, guys. Can't wait to see what he breaks.

Hold on, let's wait. Give it a minute. So two years 70, for sure. Sounds like. Unless it's one year 60. That seems nuts. It's sure. We know. Sounds like. Unless it's one year 60. Makes him the ninth highest pay-per-view. That seems nuts. Yeah.

It's absurd. We also forgot Josh Jacobs got franchise-tagged already as well. By the way, I just remembered that. All right. Check Ian's Twitter. I think we've waited long enough. 20 seconds. Should be some sort of news there.

Let's go to the 5RNG phone line. Let's go to Morgan in California. Morgan, what's going on? Pat, boys, how you doing? Good. Thank you. Right on. Hey, I just wanted to show a little love to Kirk Kitayama. Me and him

come from the same hometown, as well as another guy, Aaron Rodgers. Chico! Chico. The only thing coming out of Chico are absolute dogs. Thank you, Morgan. Did you watch that at all? He had some big names on his ass, and he held tight. And then that putt on 18 was beautiful.

Absolutely. I was nervous for him. I'm sitting there watching him line that thing. I'm like, man, that's a long-ass two-putt, and the dude basically drained it in the first shot. Yeah, how does that not fall? How about about how often how many times he looked at it too i was like oh no yeah this is what like they say like um big time players come alive in big time moments that's why they're big time players right big names are big names for a reason because in

big moments they put on big performances like the names that we know are the names that we know for a reason. The names that we don't know are names that we don't know for a reason. In a way, this guy was just balling, balling, balling. And on 18, he's in the middle of the thick stuff, couldn't see his ball. 158 out, takes an eight iron, puts that thing up on the green. I'm like, okay. I thought that was a – I thought that ball was – because Rory did it earlier, guy i thought that was a i thought that ball was because rory did it earlier literally in the same round i thought that ball was gone like this is when he comes back down to earth this is when his brain being the fucking brutal brain that

it is in golf tells him you're not supposed to be here and this is the reason and boom the ball goes the other way puts it on the green then he gets on the green, needs a two-putt. Easy as that. Three-putted earlier in the round. Had a seven earlier in the round. All you need is a two-putt. Ah, easy. Big left to right looping.

That's why he starts overlooking, and you hear the commentator with an accent. I don't remember which one. You don't want to overthink it. And I'm like, you're right. This guy, three putts right here, this is what he's going to be remembered for forever. This is it.

I started getting nervous on my couch. I'm like, roll it close, bro. Just roll it close. Even though I had money on everybody else that would have been in a playoff and potentially been in there, I just saw this guy's life shattering pretty much on the 18th hole after that long-ass weekend of doing everything. Golf is demanding. Yeah. Every single moment you got to be on there if you want to win it.

And that fucking guy closed the door. I'm happy for him, man. Incredibly proud of him. And I do not know him, AJ. That dude's life is completely different now. And isn't that one of the biggest purses in the whole? Three, six. Like all the events. Three, six to win. Yeah. To first place. life is completely different now. Isn't that one of the biggest purses in the whole 3-6?

3-6 to win? Yeah, to first place. 1.8 for second. And then I think another million. I'm sure he's exempt now into a lot of stuff. So it's 800k. So they split the second place purse? Yeah, well, second and

Yeah, you get all of the You could have six Well, second and. Yeah, you get all of the combined. You have six people split second place. Yeah, but then you also. You also split. Doesn't it split third, fourth, fifth? That whole thing. Oh, in that.

Yeah, I guess. Right. Doesn't that all go in there? That's why they have the. They split second and third. I also didn't like people being like, I can't believe you fucking marked that ball. Everyone always marks it so that you're the last putt so that you can celebrate. The guy told him to.

Victor Hovland, his partner told him to. And Hovland tried to roll it off the green. Yeah. That guy goes from, what, third to tenth or something. I was watching it, and after I played on the course last week, and then Tahoe has really changed everything. And then full swing. And pro golfer.

And PGA Tour. What an exhausting sport that has to be. Just exhausting. Mentally. Mentally. Especially as you can feel like a kid of yam or whatever. The pressure grows each shot he has. And then it's like, all right, here we go.

I'm on 18. Imagine putting yourself in that dude's shoes. Bro. When all those dudes are chasing you, how tough it is to swing a golf club right there. Walking up to 18. Just walking. Yeah. And they're like celebrating.

It's like, oh, this fucking moment of my life is coming up. Everything I just did does not matter. Nope. I'm getting a round of applause. You're walking there. And they're talking about him doing his deep breaths and everything. It's like, yeah, no shit, dude dude he just spent four days of his life trying to change the trajectory of his family and then all of a sudden now he's got a fucking 100 footer

that you hey just need to putt just you know which is even worse yeah because that's all he's thinking about was the three putt earlier in the round like oh fuck i've already done this once today like watch me do it again here but draining. And to your point about the full swing, it's like we saw Amito Pereira go through it. Like, he's on 18, right, to win the PGA Championship. And then he doubles, and now he's in lift. Because, like, you really just don't. And now we'll never see him in golf again. Yeah, exactly.

CW said that the numbers that were reported for the live viewers were wrong. What? Their viewers were triple what was viewed, they said. Really? Yeah, it was a little bit of a battle on numbers. Never would have guessed that with numbers as a whole in 2023. They took the entire weekend's numbers, I believe, and added them together or something like that.

Well, people don't do that with everything else. People aren't skewing numbers and displaying them in a misleading fashion in the media world at all. That would have made sense. Well, this week we've got the players. You guys like Full Swing? Yeah. Some eps.

I think there was better episodes than others, but I did enjoy the access of seeing how they live. For instance, we tried to have Jordan Spieth on this program. We were supposed to have Jordan Spieth on this program like four different times, and he's like canceled last minute out of nowhere. And it's all right I fucking hate this guy you know what I mean like okay like literally out of nowhere canceling last minute I'm like we never said it publicly but then I watch full swing I'm like these dudes schedules like wow I wouldn't be fucking signing up for anything like the travel the golf the it's just like imagine if you're not a top tier guy too

and you're catching southwest fights to all these tournaments, then you got to play in these Monday, like sponsor things to, to help your sponsor. So you can have a little thing on the right sleeve of your shirt, pay you 15 grand or something. They are on the road every single day, pretty much. And doing a lot of bullshit to your point about sponsor stuff and everything. So I think that was eyeopening and it made me be like, Oh,

I'm never booking you guys. and everything so i think that was eye-opening and it made me be like oh i'm never booking you guys never i am so sorry that we even thought that we'd be able to get 20 minutes they got to be tired either in the middle of a nap or full go at all times it's like i think that is what i learned about from full swing that i appreciate it's like the lifestyle of a professional golfer i don't i think i grossly underestimated how exhausting it would be it has to be just full time all the time massive respect for all the professional yeah last week they all played in that monday pro-am at the seminal and then probably traveled tuesday and then wednesday you got pro-am then thursday through sunday's the tournament and then you

travel to the next spot yeah repeat hope you gotta go they show up on monday a lot of times they show sometimes sunday but the monday before thing so it's like it's a whole week it's not like just what we see on tv that's every fucking day and pga is not helping at all with the cost of any exactly so if you're playing if you're playing like shit you know it's like some of these guys end up it's like oh well fuck i don't need your card yeah exactly i lost 250 000 over the last five weeks. Wow, I didn't make the cut. You lost money?

You played it? They put you on TV? Yeah, but they changed that now, right? Yeah. So Liv is fixing the PGA, right? Big time. Liv has made the PGA evolve, which I think we pretty much have been saying since the beginning.

Like, we like more money for athletes and if you're going to get mad about where money's coming from for athletes cool we understand we don't like that either but let's get mad about where that money's going everywhere then not just to athletes let's worry about let's let's selective outrage i believe is what chris rock called his special so that he could talk about will smith at the very end with it which was you know interesting but like i think that was our angle but then we're also like this is going to force the pga to get better like this and all of a sudden like 20 million dollars just fell out of the sky as soon as like oh here's 20 more million dollars now it's like don't there's no you're going to get paid pretty much if you come golf and they're guaranteeing certain players

going to be at the big events too like Like they're doing things to make it mandatory for these big events. It's great for golf. They made these elevated events, which API, Army Department of Invitational will be one of them. Designated, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't include the four majors and the players. Those are still – I mean, those are what they are. But these elevated events, there won't be any cuts.

And the top 50 and then essentially top 70 players in the world will all be playing in these so that the sponsors are guaranteed to have all these players there so that they're putting more money into these tournaments, which means bigger payouts for these tournaments. Also, they're taking $50 million from that basically Tiger Woods Award. It was $100 million. Performance. Yeah.

And now they're – Power Performance Index, PPI? PIP, I think. That's going from $100 to $50 million, and they're putting that $50 million back into these elevated tournaments too. So congrats to golf. And by the way, you're going to get more people watching if the guys are in every single week.

So it's like there will be more money coming into the PGA. I got massive respect for it. I'm happy we got to this point. And it was kind of expected. Yes, definitely. I think in the PGA, he's been around a long time. Had put on a lot of great tournaments. They zigged when they had to zig here.

They've zagged when they've had to zag. They figured it out, and it seems like their members are all very proud to be a part of the PGA Tour, which is even better for all parties, especially the fans that get to watch every single weekend. Yeah, exactly. He won't get credit for it, but this was Phil's mission the whole time, just to make the PGA better. That's actually exactly what Phil said when he went over there was,

hey, look, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, obviously, for my family, but if I have the opportunity to change the course of how the PGA operates, then I'm going to take it. Whatever the case, it's better for us as fans. Yeah, absolutely. Yesterday was a great reminder of that, how big golf is during the offseason. That was amazing. So sweet.

Dude, it's such a perfect fucking. Oh, yeah. Black Ace. That's my pickleball paddle. Just right here. Oh, yeah. You know, it's just like perfect for this. Chilling.

Well, they've the way that they like if they go to commercial, they still do picture and picture. Now, most of the time. Play through, play through. Exactly. Very clever. Like, it is really nice how you can kind of just sit on there all day and you're really not missing much. So I was at a golf course this one time recently and I ran into a couple college teams. That's a real deal, too. I guess, like, these college golfers are fucking players.

The number one player. You got to make gotta make the choice too where are you going so this i guess there's a deal in place between seniors and the pga where it's like it's not like q school but kinda yeah so the the they had this i think on the pga tours uh instagram the number one player in the country i think is that at Vanderbilt. And if he wins a certain amount or something, that he doesn't go to Q School or anything like that. Yeah, he gets his card. He gets his card and he goes.

Oh, that's a good idea. Great idea. Yeah, it's a very good idea. I was talking to this one particular guy who had played, I believe, in some massive tournaments at golf courses that are very nice. And he's still in college. So I think there's like a pipeline that is trying to be created to make it more efficient. Yes.

These dudes are players, though. Oh, yeah. Stakes. Like, hey. Yeah, there's 12-year-olds out there shooting six under. Charlie Woods. People can play. I didn't know about the college golf game, though.

But down in the south. Oh, yeah. Big deal. And then Big 12, they got like Oklahoma State and everything. Texas is good. That's where Giorno and Scoot went to. What? Our guy.

Our guy, Akshay, though, got a card. To your point, he did not go to college. He said, I'm going to be a pro golfer. What am I wasting my time reading books for? Went into a couple different tours, and he got his card. Congrats to Akshay. Yeah, let's go, Akshay. Hey, baby, Akshay. I don let's go, Akshay. That's baby Akshay.

I don't know how this worked. What did he do? He just performed well enough on this particular tour? Special temporary membership? What's that mean? I thought it was like three straight tournaments if you play and you hit a certain, you know, straight top 10. He's got to make enough money to keep going.

He's a runner-up at Puerto Rico's. Man, that's so hard. You've got to play well. Dude, you triple got to make enough money, I guess. Man, it's so hard. You've got to play well. Dude, you triple one hole. Dead. See you. Back to the Bahamas with nobody watching. Over.

That's a tough grind, man. I thought about that $20 million you're going to give me if I make top 50 in a senior championship tour numerous times over the last couple weeks I don't know buddy it's a tough sport hey it's a tough tough sport golf is golf is hard you got so much time you got to remember that a lot of time yeah time's on my side exactly who knows what's going to happen by that if you were to take one year Who knows what's going to happen by that time. If you were to take one year. Exactly.

Just to play golf every single day. Yeah, but when I get to the stage of life that I'm able to commit one year, do I still have the power, the explosion, the hand-eye coordination? I don't know. Well, hey, look, you lose $0. The only one losing in this situation is AJ Hall. That's right. Let's not forget.

I'm a winner because if I get to turn on the TV and I see you get top 50 in a Champions Tour event, I'm a winner too. I'm excited and happy for you. Oh, good fun. You said you'd be on the bag. Oh, yeah, I'll carry your bag for sure. You get in, I'm in.

We'll see, but then there's a little bit of conflict of interest. Yeah, he's definitely not on the bag. You guys know I'm a good teammate. You know that. No, it's 20 million. He's a pretty good teammate. Yeah, you're great. I'm pretty positive.

Oh, was there $20 million on the line in those pickleball games? Should have been. We're playing like there was. I play like there is. I always play like there is. Is that why you wouldn't let Ty hit the ball for like two or three games? Yeah, you're poaching him. You're poaching him with the net.

You know what happens. Those videos. It's poetry in motion. Have you seen Ty's backhand? Hey, Pickleball's got a controversy cooking, and I don't even know if they know it. It's bad. There's a lot of dudes stepping in front of other people.

And even in, I guess, just standard partner games, there's clear that playing in doubles just because you're very talented and like this guy's okay, but also I'm going to stand right in front there's clear that playing in doubles just because you're very talented and like this guy's okay. But also I'm going to stand right in front and every no show, like running right in front of people and hitting. It's like, is that what they do?

Oh yeah. The hard thing is when you watch like the high level people, you're right. And watching us play out there, scramble around and have Phil dive and roll 38 times. That's probably fun to watch, but the pros, they just stand right outside the kitchen, just dink, dink, dink,

dink all along. I don't know. They've got to figure something out. I think Pickleball's doing okay. Once again, we're very new to the sport, and we've tried to fix it a few different times, and we do apologize. We don't really know the rules. We had some conversations right before the show

too. Hey, we've got to get this second net up, and we just got to do it. We just got to play. We just got to play. We got to play. Yeah. We need a bracket. We need a big bracket. Just tape the court.

Just a quick tape job. I still like Thunderdome. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You mean the rules or the setup we have? We need a bigger net. We need a bigger net. We need to get lines down.

Because it is a lot of... Yeah, we need blue tape. Bigger net. Isn't that a normal-sized net? That's half net. We need a bigger net. We need to get lines down because it is a lot of – Yeah, we need blue tape. Bigger net. It's not – isn't that a normal size net? That's half net. Yeah, we're getting a painter's tape. We're getting a painter's tape. Oh, yeah, that is tiny.

The head of Pickleball is also setting us a lot of things. Who is this? Mr. Pickleball? Or Mrs. Pickleball. Pickleball Association. Paulette Pickleball. Oh, my gosh. Excuse me.

I hope you're happy. The reason I said that is strictly from watching fucking McGinn or whatever his name is. Boy, I assume that's how they handle it in the front office for pickleball, too. Tyson is a dog. Yeah. Tyson McGinn is a dog. And he's not a doubles player. He's a solos player.

He's got sick hair. It's easy to see. He's got sick hair, dude. His serve. Oh, little mean. Kind of goes up onto his tippy toes. Give a little extra power. A little extra juice.

Hell yeah. I bounce it when I serve it. I don't know if any pros are doing that. One bounce. They are, but whatever. They don't bounce? Not very few. To be clear, though,

when we started playing, we were all under the assumption that that's the only way to serve. You had to fucking bounce the thing. So we were born in the dark with the bounce serves. Exactly. I'll never go back.

There has to be some advantage to not bouncing it. It has to be. I don't know. Because from what I see, a lot of the clips, no one really has a power serve. They're putting it in play. Yeah, exactly.

It's placement. It's all about being precise. Because do they have faults? I assume somebody's coming in to that game at some point. They're working on it right now. A lot of tennis players over there. Oh, yeah. There's something called paddle ball I learned of.

Yes, that's what I also thought was a different version. Cages. It's in a cage. I've done it. I did it once. Like squash with pickleball. You're hitting it at people. Different ball.

Like wall games? Different ball. The ball is like heavy rubber ball. It can only really be played in the winter, too. It's weird. The floor was heated. It's like underneath. It's a weird platform platform thing i had no idea what it was i met a guy named dan who is a living legend after talking to him a stallion of a man this this guy epic human i think

he was pretty high up in the paddleball world at one point and we spent two to three holes talking about it i was intrigued by it. I was very much, you're trying to like, because everything's in, it seems like, right? Oh, yeah. So if you hit power, you just play it off the back fence or the side. You can play it off all of that. Yeah, but you're trying. It's like squash with pickleball mixed together,

except you're playing against someone across from you. I guess you are trying to hit people with it. Like you were trying to hit. Yeah. That is a style. Automatic point. That is a style of play. Because I immediately go, oh, you just got to hit it. And Dan was like, it's kind of my thing.

I was kind of, it's kind of what I, I was like, oh, you were hated probably by everybody else. It's a good strategy or whatever. It's a good strategy. Did you ask him, like, hey, are you worried that pickleball is definitely coming through your throat here? I will say after my wife did the duck pin bowling thing on my IG story, a hilarious human that was in our office that I've known since college, that was sitting right over there, did his first pickleball. It ruined sports.

Now we've got fake bowling. That's what he said. It was that duck pin bowling. You ever been a part of that? Yeah, there's a place here. My son had his birthday party at one of those places. This place was electrifying that we went to. Pretty awesome.

That area. It is. It's called Pins. What was it called? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's Pins here. They're amazing.

It's a chain. I had no idea. Brilliant. No, but the guy that started it is from here. At least the Pins. That's a Columbus, Ohio thing? Really? Ohio making Mickey Mouse bowling.

Unless it's not called pins. Is it called something else? Called pins. Pins, yeah. Big open cool bar with a bunch of the bowling alleys and all that. Bocce court, ping pong tables, duck pin bowling. One right here in Dublin is gigantic. They got pinball.

They got life-size beer pong up top. You have free video games like old school arcade games? Not free. No, this is Indiana. Okay. Some of them are free here and some of them you pay. Which is owned by the same guy, AJ. Yep.

16. But yeah, it's all here. It's all from Columbus. Hey, thank you, Columbus. And thank you to that guy. Thank you, Wex. Great place. That was my first time.

It is sweet. At one of those places. First time in public a long time. Like out just doing stuff in Indiana. It was a blast you saw the garage too right yeah they don't want to cross the street indianapolis turned uh this one part it used to be a coca-cola factory bottles factory i think yes and it sat vacant for a long long long long long time bad part of town like don't go over there there's no reason to go over

there they fully invested in there's a hotel in there there's a bunch of restaurants in there it's like a full lunch hall almost but it's set up in like and it's right across the street from that pins place it was a spectacular little saturday oh yeah out here in indianapolis i enjoyed the hell out of it sounds like fun yeah those do you uh you ever do the axe throwing deal i've never been there and done that no they had the fouling though the football bowling had a place down in that area that we could have a bad ax thrown down there now, too. In that area? I think right next to the fouling, it's like the football cornhole.

Do you know what it is? Yeah. Football or bowling. Football bowling. Fouling. Okay. Folling, I guess. Oh, is that fun?

Football bowling. I've never done it. That place invited us like 100 times to go, and I was always like, I'm not doing any of my stuff. I go one day off, I'm never done it. That place invited us like a hundred times to go and I was always like, I'm not doing any of my stuff. I go one day off. I'm not doing that. Axe throwing sucks. Really? The one we had in our

old office with small axes, that's fucking awesome. You can throw those about a hundred miles an hour. You go into these axe throwing things and people have them over their head. They're throwing them two miles an hour. That thing sucks. They're going to pick it up off the ground yeah no thanks but you get one on good content yeah but like the one we had in the old office like that was fun i could sit there and throw those fucking axes all day a lot of liability in that particular a lot of a lot of liability

you're not always hitting that and to get back to the foaling thing i said it looked terrible i'm not going to spend my 14 minutes I have off every week doing that. It did look like a good time. Drove by, had doors open. People were having a blast. You can play the football. It's fun. Yeah, it looks sweet.

Yeah, food, music playing. Indianapolis really doing it down there. Best part of the city right there. There's also a movie theater that's brand new. I guess it's like one of those luxury ones right next door to where we were. Okay, Indy! They're building that golf simulator bar. Because the thing about the Bottleworks,

the thing about Bottleworks at this suite is that you can start there at pins, and then you just walk down Mass F. And now that they're building the golf simulator bar, that's kind of where you could end. Yeah, I mean, every city has its like, hey, this block good, that block not so good. We're back to a good block, you know?

Yeah. That's a large area that's coming together. Exactly. Just one street. Let's go, Indy. Good luck. Keep it going. Way to go out there.

We appreciate whoever put that together. Let's do another phone call here on the 5RNG phone line. Let's go to GC in Miami. GC, what's going on, Paul? Hey, what's going on, Pat? I just wanted to do you guys, I don't know if you guys can pull it up, but Justin Turner from the Boston Red Sox just got really, really hit really bad. It's the second time that he gets hit like that.

So I just wanted you guys to know and see if you guys can pull it up. What happened, GC? So I guess they're playing, I can't remember right now what team they're playing. The Tigers, he just pretty much, I think, went straight to the face. No thanks. You say it a second time? He has sunglasses

on, too. That's going to... Thank you, GC, for the heads up in the baseball world. I don't think we have baseball rights. I'm not 100% sure. I don't think we have baseball rights. He was supposed to save the Red Sox. I'm not 100% sure. I don't think. Baseball's very strict, too. It's not worth it.

God damn it. We took one right to the front of his face? Right here. Looked like right under the bill. He even had the little cheek thing on. Sunglasses, cheek thing, bill right here underneath of it. Broke the glasses, obviously, right in the face. That ball was humming, though.

Hey, Tiger's got a guy that can throw it. He has no idea where it's going. Unfortunately, the Tigers stink. Hey, we hope he's okay. Hey, all love down there. Much monos. That would be a huge loss for the Red Sox. That would hurt so bad.

Let's get it. So bad. I guess that's the fear when you step into a batter's box. That thing could hit you. Yeah. The pitcher, too. The pitcher's fear, too. Coming right batter's box. That thing can hit you. Yeah. The pitcher, too. In the head, yeah. The pitcher's fear, too, coming right back at him.

I mean, you want to the back. Field position, AJ. And we're a big baseball program. Yeah. Love baseball. Had Jed on last week. You know Herbstreet has the most hits in Centerville high school history or something? Yeah, highest batting average.

The guy who almost broke is Sean Murphy. He's a very good catcher. Plays for the Braves. Just got traded from the A's. Won the gold glove last year. Won a gold glove for this guy? Yeah. Couldn't catch Herbie, though.

Nope. Apparently not. Well, was the baseballs bigger when Herbie was playing, or does this guy miss his calling? What the fuck are we doing here, AJ? Herbie's an all-around athlete, man. I don't know if he played basketball in high school, but he played baseball and football, obviously.

Herbie! He's a dog, dudecan talked about he should do some like home run derby deals like some of those celebrity ones i bet he would blast the ball and i bet he'd be able to get a lot of people to come to a yeah celebrity home run derby for and then he if he wins it yeah oh man it's even better jj used to do that right jjatt used to do the softball game down at the Houston Astros Stadium. They used to sell that fucking thing out, and then they would do a home run derby beforehand. And J.J. had all eyes on winning that thing every single time. He used to just murder those baseballs.

Those were a good time, getting a chance to hit. BP is like a good time, I think. You don't really get to do it that much. Those are a good time. Getting a chance to hit. BP is like a – A lot of fun. It is. It's like a good time, I think. You don't really get to do it that much. That's what I said. I've been looking for batting cages around here to go.

If we got a cage outside, that would be fucking awesome. Here? Yeah. Can we get one? Can we make one? It's pretty easy, actually. Just tubing and netting. That's all it is.

Machines aren't even crazy. Machines aren't even that expensive. No. Pitching machine? Yeah. All right, let's do it. Get the arm. Get the one that actually has the little arm. I want a face, too, because I would like to.

Hit him. Yeah, I want a fake face. Line him right at it. Hardest part is probably just putting the dirt in if you want dirt. Don't need dirt. Dirt. Dirt. For what?

Jordan Davis. I've been listening to a lot of his songs. Yeah? Got bangers. He's up for best lyrics or something like that. Makes sense. The CMAs? I think so.

Let's go. Good for him. Buy dirt's a banger. Let's wait until he wins. I don't want to celebrate too early. Good call. Buy dirt's a banger. It is a banger.. I don't want to celebrate too early. Good call. Buy dirt's a banger. It is a banger.

How about next thing you know? Have you heard that one? No, I just went through his top five. Is that in the top five? Yeah. Next thing you know is another one. It's like next thing you know. Next thing you know.

It's like an emotional. It's like have a baby. Yeah, like you meet. You get married. Have a baby Yeah, like you meet, get married, have a baby. Baby joins. Nice thing you know you're dead. What's your problem, AJ? That sounded very condescending. I'm dead serious.

That's cool. I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but it sounds cool. It sounds like you're taking some liberties that I don't appreciate. Here, pal, with how you're taking it. You're a prick. I don't know much about this artist, but it sounds great. To be clear, I did't appreciate. Here, pal, with how you're taking it. I don't know much about this artist, but sounds great. To be clear, I did not either.

But then once you get to know through lyrics, it's like, oh, good brain. Good guy here, seems like. You go to country concerts, AJ? I have. I'm not a giant country fan, but I have been. Going one soon or no? Why, who's coming?

To Ohio? Yeah, who's coming to Ohio Ohio? Come on, you know. Yeah, who's coming to Ohio? Oh, I don't know. Oh, we did hear that you were, didn't we? Yeah. That's right. Oh, my God.

Haven't even asked you. Whatever's going on, I'd love to know. What's happening? You're going to a concert, I heard, in Ohio. Country one. I'm not, but yeah, what'd you hear? Okay, well, that's the answer. Yep.

All right, we will relay the message then, because we were asked by some. Morgan Wallen's coming at some point. Hey, he's got a song called Ain't That Some Shit. You know, he's got a new album out, I guess, that's just going to take over the whole world. Quite an interesting. Yeah, he's doing just fine now.

Actually, there's a race car driver whose path has been very similar to his. It's a wild time to be alive. It is. Let's go to Sam in Phoenix. Last call of the day. Last moment of the day. Sam, what's going on in the 5RNG phone line? How we doing, boys?

Keep moving, dude. All right, first and foremost, just want to say, Pat, me and my wife and my little four-month-old, we are super stoked for you. Congrats on the upcoming baby. Thank you. Congrats on your babies, boys. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. And then football-related, I just want want to say I think I speak for a lot of Cardinals fans when even though, yeah, Gannon, he's going to be a little cheesy, he actually gives off some football coach vibes, which we need out here. So it's nice to have a real coach, not some pretty boy who doesn't know what the fuck Whoa! Jesus!

Good luck, Cliff. Cliff Kingsbury taking shots on this Monday. March 6th. Explosives. Creativity. Let's get the fuck out of here. What a show. Can't thank you guys enough.

Talks at the table. Great work today, boys. Hey, we didn't talk about one thing. You know, I saw you tweet about last night. What's that? Last of us heating up here. Hey, it's a good show, dude. You watch the show? I think I do.

How many episodes have been out so far? Eight. Eight was last night. I think I've seen five or six. So good. I have a couple to watch. You can skip last week's. Last week's, like, we'll get last week's like

we'll just kind of break it down for you just proved um when she found out that she was special that isn't like uh that's it that isn't a spoiler either you did that very well that isn't a spoiler either like that was the whole episode was kind of dedicated to that it was cute it was cool but only objective was to show when she found out that she was special so if you haven't watched it that's not a spoiler if you have watched it that's not a spoiler last night's episode hey okay hey she's a dog bro one of the best she is a dog it is it was great tell that already already early on, she's proven that a few times. Yeah, it is remarkable.

And then they had the inside the episode at the end of the thing, and I stuck around to watch it, and they talked about it. They filmed it in Calgary in February. It was freezing. Huge wind machine. And she gave an answer, and I guess she was speaking our words, but it wasn't our language. No, no, no.

She is not naturally a united states speaker like where's she from i have no idea where england england that was an english accent oh yeah i don't know what part but yeah she's very very english manchester maybe we're patty's from liverpool no she wasn't saying lob after every word she is phenomenal as is uh what's the Pedro Pascal his other show just started too doesn't miss Mandalorian crushed okay so maybe I get into that next probably not but the last of us video game you I'm not a person that plays video games you would think I would hate it zombies you think I would hate it this show is fucking awesome random thing too last episode the guy who originally played Joel in the video games, you would think I would hate it. Zombies, you think I would hate it. This show is fucking awesome. The guy who originally played Joel

in the video games was in the episode. Oh, how's it going? She's from Nottenham. Of course she is. Whatever she is, she's going to win whatever award that you need to win for what she's doing in this thing, I'd assume. Probably a safe assumption. She'll at least be nominated,

you'd think. It's amazing, though, AJ. I'm happy we found something, you know? And then after next week, it's the season finale. And then what, AJ? Then what? Then what? Ooh, succession, right? Fuck off!

Fuck off! Come on. We got golf. We got basketball. We got March Madness coming up. Ty, big weekend for college basketball. Yeah, huge weekend. I'd love to run over everything the Coke Zero got on my notes.

I had to throw those away. We got five teams that have punched their tickets so far. Kind of weird. Farley Dickinson made it. The team they're playing is ineligible because they're switching to Division I. They have the number one seed in their tournament.

They kind of get in by default. A couple buzzer beaters. This this week is when, like, all the major conference tournaments start. Next Sunday is Selection Sunday, so we're in the thick of things right now. We appreciate it. Good work without the Coke Zero. Good work. AJ, great show today.

We appreciate you, buddy. Have a great afternoon. We'll see you all tomorrow. We do not have any contact. Well, we did have contact since the darkness. Yes. But we have not have contact since the darkness. Yes. But we have not had contact since then.

So I saw a lot of people tweeting like, can't wait to hear what Aaron says on Tuesday on, and then adding me. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I have not said that. Conjecture, pure conjecture. We do not know if that's the case. Aaron Rodgers Tuesday is just during the season. Let's not get crazy out here. We do not expect or know if that's going to be taking place,

but the time is coming pretty soon to hear what he's up to, and that's the next domino to fall. What are you saying? TikTok over there. Deadlines for action. We're also on TikTok. We have a full-time employee now dedicated strictly to our TikTok that I've never met in person.

He's a good guy. He does a good job. He's good. Company's growing. That's how we need to hire people. Never seen. Just remote? Could be an AI. Never seen.

Might be a fake. Might be somebody in his office hustling for another paycheck. Another paycheck. Could be. That'd be sweet if that was the case. That could be Bill. Bill's been on this whole new bill. He's golfing too much,

so he doesn't have time. Yeah, right. Bill got in probably three workouts during that golf run. Yeah. Picking up new jobs every single day. Going to movies every weekend. I heard the other day

he was spitting on the Hawk House. I didn't like that. Yeah, he was. Full-blown. Not enough equipment. Oh, I just joined... I just joined this new gym. Okay, what's wrong with the Hawk House? Dude, he's a dog. Oh, I just joined. I'm in the machine. I just joined this new gym. Okay, what's wrong with the hawk house?

He's a dog. Yeah. All right, he's an Amazon dog. Yeah, absolutely. We appreciate Bill. And if Bill has created a fake person to catfish me to pick up another job and pick up another salary, good on you, Bill. Well done. Good on you, Bill.

All right, we'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Goodbye.