The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 872 - John McEnroe, Shaquille O'Neal, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the rumors swirling around indicating that DeAndre Hopkins has potentially 5 suitors for a trade including the Bills, Ravens, Patriots, Raiders, and Falcons, when this Aaron Rodgers deal is going to get done, CJ Stroud seeming like the #1 pick, Bryce Young’s pro day, and much more. Joining the progrum to chat about an upcoming pickleball tournament he’ll be participating in for 1 million dollars and whether or not he’s gotten into the pickleball craze is 7x major champion, the only player with 70+ singles and doubles titles, one of the greatest tennis players of all-time (12:49-30:10). Later, 4x NBA Champion, 3x Finals MVP, MVP, 15x All-Star, Hall of Fame, businessman, co-host of Inside the NBA, Shaquille O’Neal joins the show to chat about his career, his business acumen, and to set the story straight about what really happened in that Atlanta airport with Pacman (1:38:59-1:57:54). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you next week, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this, whoa, big show guest Wednesday, Thursday, March 23rd, the show starts now. March Madness! Man, it is already Thursday, which is a bummer. We are off tomorrow, we will say. A large portion of the office is having to take a trip to settle some scores businessly and personally. And it should be an absolute blast. We will be back on Monday. We do apologize for that. Came up kind of out of nowhere, but should have been planned a long time ago.

That's a story in of itself. It will be said into a microphone at a wedding eventually, but it should be a fantastic weekend. Today is a massive day. We have John McEnroe. Yes, that John McEnroe. The man who is the only human in the history of tennis to win 70 singles titles and 70 doubles titles. Seven grand slams. And obviously, pretty competitive human being.

A lot of clips we've seen of him are him demonstrably telling the refs in tennis that they suck at what they are supposed to be doing. But in that sport with no reviews, with how often we see the tennis review, and it's like lasers, right? That's the only way they get it. Could you imagine back in the day you do get

a bad-eyed judge up there who maybe has a little bit of a feel of a personal vendetta against? All of a sudden that one that's on the outside tape and they're saying is out that's a whole different i mean i can see how you get very pissed off in that particular setup because we're talking about millimeters as opposed to anything like that and a human's supposed to see it from standing in the back hey i don't that's tough that was That was a recipe for freakouts. And John McEnroe certainly ate the meal. Yes, he did. Had a couple of those.

Super competitive. Super successful. And now they're announcing that on April 2nd, Sunday at noon on ESPN he'll be playing for a million dollar pickleball tournament. Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, he's taking on Andre Agassi, Andy Roddick and Michael Chang. It'll be broadcasted on ESPN. I assume they're going to be very good at pickleball,

but I think there's some professional pickleballers that are saying to tennis players, like, oh, you just think you're just going to be able to come over to pickleball? Translates. I'm going to ask a little bit about if there's any beef amongst the pickleball community for a million-dollar prize against all tennis players.

And how does McEnroe feel like he would fare against these pickleball players who commit their entire being to being pickleball players? Tyson McGuffin, he ain't doing nothing but pickleball. That's right. Same with Julian Arnold. These guys, I mean, they put their blood, sweat, and tears into it. Riley Newman's with that paddle and that pickleball every morning of his entire life.

That's right. But we would assume that McEnroe, a man who is very comfortable with a racket and we assume a paddle, will be fantastic in this, but I'm assuming the pickleball community is going to be watching with, uh, oh, that ain't, that ain't. We'll ask Sean McEnroe how he feels about that. Just a slight competitor. We'll be excited to hear what he has to say. And

fucking Shaq will be on the show. Wow, the diesel. Oh my God, O'Neal. The big diesel, bro. DJ Diesel. Wow. Literally, Shaquille O'Neal will be on the show today. They get. We've potentially had a couple moments in the past of our show where we thought he was maybe going to come on the show. And we're like, holy shit, we're going to talk to Shaquille O'Neal.

You're talking about living legend. Go and watch that documentary Shaq that he participates in. They tell his story, his upbringing, his work ethic, his loyalty, his business decisions. The stories about him off the fucking court or just as legendary as on the court. It's like, this is a larger-than-life human being who happens to be larger than every other fucking human. What a movie character this guy is. Yeah, unbelievable. And was a movie character.

Inspiration, and a rapper. Incredible. Just everything he does, he's successful at. Business man. Great DJ. He's great at it. This guy's great at everything. Does it all.

I like that the graphic's two scale. Well, maybe actually two. He might be. He needs to be bigger than that. Well, I think McEnroe is certainly going to have some questions on if this is properly proportioned on this graphic or not. But we've never met him. You know?

So we're not 100% sure. But I assume McEnroe was a little bit larger. But what we were trying to showcase is, yes, that fucking Shaquille O'Neal is coming on. The massive, larger-than-life personality and larger-than-human personality is joining us today. I'm pumped for that. Shaq will join us at 2.05.

All right, go, Shaq. Eastern Standard Time. The talk table is here, obviously, at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys Tone Diggs is here. And once again, in the studio for like the third straight week for three straight days. Fitting in so well. Hell yeah. Adam Pacman Jones.

Cheers! I think we're going to see a lot more Pacman over the next six, seven, eight months, nine months. We've appreciated the hell out of you. And today is maybe the coolest looking you I've ever seen. Bro, wait till you, those pink pants? Unbelievable Very few people can pull those off, I'll tell you that much These shoes?

These shoes? These shoes? Oh! The Giuseppe pants? Mail me That smell me gets me every time Yeah The jacket too, geez Louise

Sweet And I don't want to just say because of the colors of that outfit that look fantastic that made me think of this. This dude eats so many nerds. Oh my God.

Like so many. It's unbelievable. Golly ranchers. Three Pat got the snacks. Pat got the snacks. And when it runs out Pat's going to run

the snacks right back. That is he's had four different grocery store trips of fucking candy in here. That's right. With two Red Bulls. Every day. Every time. Two cups sometimes.

Today I've noticed one cup because one. Because we got an entire pit right there. Pac, you're a fucking legend, dude. You need to know that. You are. You that. You are. You are a fucking dog. 3% body fat. What? Six kids grown up in the house

in which he and his wife are running and operating and living. All going to be professional athletes. Top to bottom. 14 years in the NFL a corner. We got some highlights. Look at this. People forget what this fucking guy did. We asked the NFL for some highlights. Just because

every time we talk about him, I feel like some people who maybe never watch him play think like, hey, why are they talking about this guy this way? This is who Pac-Man was. So he's going to pick you off, obviously. He's going to outrun you. And then we're going to have a good time, too. People need to know that we fucking scored a touchdown, man. You remember these

plays? You remember all these plays? I started that rule. Now you can't even use the goal. Boom! That's a problem. That was your thing ever since the beginning? Yeah. Because I think that's what we realized from watching these highlights.

Like, oh, you were the guy that started jumping on that thing. Because the one I remember is when Antonio Brown shook the shit out of me on a punt return in the middle of Heinz Field when it was already a blowout game. Why is Antonio Brown returning punts? Get off the field. It's fourth quarter. You're up three scores.

Fair question. And he just shakes the shit out of me and everybody else on the team. And then he jumps on the post, slides down it. Thank God they cut me off because TikTok obviously has a time length. So me getting shook without touch. Flag football. One-hand touch, which nobody plays. If we were playing one hand touch would not have

got him okay on the ground sideways he did the thing and i was like okay that's like in toning we started watching these highlights you did that every time you got in the paint it felt like oh yeah i started that um we used to call it the pac-man slide in tennessee fish was like man you gotta have fun when you get in the end zone. You said. You got it. Okay, sure. Then they said we couldn't use the goal post as a prop anymore. Hey, Gino's our guy. Why are you high-stepping on Gino?

He's our guy. You guys are already up 35 points. Hey, we're on the Pac-Man slide. And we got to do the Pac-Man slide. Come on. Oh, this was the night right here, bro. We had just got in from going out. When?

Here? Like day of? Yeah. We got to go out this night because it was a night right here, bro. We had just got in from going out. When? Here? Like day of? Yeah. We got to go out this night because it was a night game in Philly. So you had to go out the night before? Yeah, we went out the night. Because you got to sleep in a little bit. Yeah.

And then punter hits you a ball. What are you doing? And you just go 90 however many there. Jeez. And you guys won? Yeah? Huh? You guys won that game?

Yeah, we won that game. Mentally already back in it. I mean, he was just returning a punt You guys won again? Yeah, we won again. Mentally already back in it. I mean, he was just returning a punt against the Philadelphia Eagles. He solved. Yeah, and then look at this one. I mean, this is another one. This is why you were a nightmare on the field whenever you had the ball in your hands. And obviously, we could showcase you just locking people down, too, as a corner.

But it was like, what an elusive fucking asshole this guy was. No, it's first. I mean, what the? Ah! Ah! Ah! Only thing stopping this dude is the goal post. It feels like whatever gets the damn ball. Think about these punters.

I'll tell you what it was like. This asshole. Look, he should have been tackled right there. Like, should have stopped. Should have caught that ball and went immediately down. Now I'm going to run in four circles, loop around some people, blocking it back to the punter, and then ah ah, ah, ah, they don't deserve it. They don't deserve it.

I was thinking about that fine, Pat. Yeah, the ball fine's much bigger than at that point you didn't have any fine for hopping on the post there, but you're a dog, dude, and the way you operate in here, we really appreciate it. Speaking of, the people that Pac-Man has brought into our universe. Absurd. Yeah. stupid yeah we'll talk about

someone and back now hold on let's see what he actually thinks yeah yeah it's like what's that like come on man yeah hold on since i was like like 13 or something you have the same thing in your phone too it's just different people no i don I don't think so. The way we've... No. There hasn't been one person. Every generation, every bucket of life, every style of human. Every position

on the football field. We were talking about Ray Romano yesterday. I got you. Everybody loves Raymond, dude. You literally sent him a text. It does feel like that. With that being said, sources have some information. Pat, what have you heard

about some interesting situations potentially developing around the NFL with one of the biggest names that is currently potentially on the market? My sources tell me that D-Hop is getting hot right now. Okay. Interest is heating up?

Interest is heating up. There's five teams on that list, and we'll start with the Falcons. Falcons need some help. They need wide receivers. I think that can fit. Ravens. I think if Lamar Deal goes and get done, my sources tell me that that might be a landing spot. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Baltimore Ravens in the game. That'd be huge. Didn't I know that was potentially the case? Sources are telling us. Our sources is telling us it's the Bills. The Buffalo Bills. And that wouldn't make sense because although our sources have told us nothing, have told us nothing.

We did see on Instagram Buffalo Soldier from DHOP just yesterday in Sal Capaccio. The face in our eyes, and there's probably others we don't mean any disrespect to any other members of the Bills Mafia. The face of Bills Mafia.

He's like, hey, Uncle Sal of the Bills Mafia. Covers the Bills. He's been covering the Buffaloes for a long hey, Uncle Sal of the Bills Mafia. A Buffalonian. Covers the Bills. He's been covering the Buffaloes for a long time. And he is a – Buffalonian. Brother. I mean, this guy is awesome. He started getting excited about it.

Buffalo Bills fans started getting excited about it. And that would be a place that certainly could get another weapon. A lot of people would wonder, though, contractually-wise, though, how would all this work anywhere? You know, that's another thing. Especially in Buffalo, it can't work. I think it could work. Why couldn't it work?

I think he can go to Buffalo, one-year deal. I don't really think it's about the money with him right now. I think he want to get out. It's a big thing. He want to win. Definitely want to win and get a shot. My sources tell me Buffalo can work. I like the Raiders, too.

They made a lot of plays. The Raiders are on the board also, but I don't know. I go back and look at the teams and I know D as a person. I'm leaning more toward the Bills or the Ravens. And he was in Dallas with Von Miller working out just two weeks ago. And Von Miller,

assistant GM of the Buffalo Bills. So it seems like Buffalo Soldier! With Von Miller. with what we're hearing from Pac-Man sources feels like Buffalo Bills fans have a reason to be excited but Falcons fans, I guess,

in. Ravens fans, in. Raiders fans should know they're in. Anybody else? Patriots fans should know they're in. Anybody else? Patriots fans. Oh. What? What?

Okay, we'll revisit this for sure. But that is. Hey, I feel like that's some massive information about D-Hop that we had not heard. Yeah. A lot of stuff on the ticker. Five teams interested. Potentially won a leading and heavy favorite. Mostly because of IG stories and other things now that

we're hearing lingering. Speaking of lingering, this is something that's been looming over our head. As soon as we heard it was a possibility. You know, in the sport of tennis, there's only one motherfucker that won 70 titles as a singles competitor and 70

titles as a doubles competitor. Seven fucking grand slams this guy. Seven grand slams. Absolute dog. And on April 2nd, he'll be competing for a $1 million prize in a pickleball tournament that'll be aired on ESPN

with Andre Agassi, Andy Roddick, and Michael Chang. Ladies and gentlemen, John McEnroe. Yeah, Johnny! Thanks for having me on. Hey, thank you for joining us, boss man. Obviously, I have known of your existence for a long time. I think like most people, my introduction to you was you just asking for a little accountability from these refs.

Just a little bit of accountability from the umps. I think that's how we were all kind of introduced. And then as we see you in movies and everything like that, we've all become big fans. We appreciate you taking time here. Let's dive right into it. Hey, this pickleball tourney is for a million bucks, pal. Are you pickleballing every day? Is this just like a natural transition for a tennis player well you know as we get older we cover in less and less

of the court so this seemed to make more sense since about a third the size but i'm not a big pickleball guy you know it beats my body up but this was sort of too good to pass up to be playing against my old buddy andre agassi and Roddick, and Michael Chang as a partner. I mean, this pickleball thing's crazy. I don't get it. But in the meantime, you know, hopefully it'll be fun, and hopefully it'll bring some interest to the sport that I do really care about, which is tennis.

Okay. I love that you said that, just strictly because we wondered how the pickleball community would feel because there's pickleball pros and pickleball leagues and everything going on. And then tennis guys coming in and playing. Is there a little tennis pickleball beef, you think, in the world of batting balls over a net in a confined space? Well, I'm amazed that people take it quite as seriously

as they apparently do compared to to our sport but that's you know for other people to decide i would compare it to the nfl uh it's like a poor man's arena football you know uh unfortunately um you know what you can do with the ball is limited it's plastic uh you've got little rackets like you're playing racquetball or squash. Um, but a lot of my buddies like to play with me. Uh, they, you know, it's a level, level or playing field. Obviously they think they can beat me. And in some cases, probably some of them could not the ones that I've been playing with

recently, but, um, we'll see, you know, I don't know how much they're playing either. So, uh, you know, I've been working more just trying to have the body feel good because, you know, as you get a little older, a little bit tougher to keep the body in tip-top condition. How old are you, John? I am 64 years old. Hell, yeah, you look good. Hey, hey, John.

You look good. Are you a guy that's one of those, like, every morning you wake up and you're in shape, or have you had to really get back into shape for this? Even though you're 64, you're always going to have to, you know, be a little bit in pain, I assume. I'm not going to make it to 64, but that's what I've heard about what it's like. I'm lucky that I didn't play your sport. You know, I had some friends that I knew that, you know, it's tough,

way tougher than what we did. But, you know, running's tough, way tougher than what we did. But, you know, running on concrete is not easy. But I've always been one to stick with it. I haven't really ever let go of like working out. So I'm actually feel like I feel pretty good for my age. I'll say that. But, you know, in pickleball, you're not doing a whole lot of running, obviously, because it's a tiny court, but you do have to bend a little, which isn't good as, you know, you stiffen up. But generally, you know, I've always kept at it. So this hasn't been like that difficult. If anything, I would

prefer to play less because the next day, you know, doctors are going to be thrilled with pickleball. You know, these people are going to get hurt left and right. So, uh, you know, you think you can walk out there and, uh, Oh yeah, this is great. We'll just,

uh, have some fun here and, uh, not worry about the body. And, you know, they tear an Achilles and they're like, Oh,

maybe I should have warmed up. It's a great time. We play here. Uh, we have a version of pickleball here in our studio here. And, you know, it's thunderball is what we call it because it's kind of a take on pickleball. And to your point, a lot of the rules of pickleball, they do try to take out the athleticism of it. They try to limit some things so it does feel as if everybody can play.

Their strategy, though, have you started working up near the kitchen? You got your kitchen work ready? I mean, that feels like more of a ping pong operation than a tennis one at that particular case. Well, you know, I don't know if you ever saw me play tennis, but naturally, I like to move forward, which I think is advantageous in pickleball. I don't want to give Agassi any ideas because he liked to stay in the baseline. So just stay back there as long as you want, Andre. And, you know, Roddick had one of the biggest serves in the history of our sport. But, you know, in pickleball, you can't serve overhand. So, he lost that advantage also.

So, this gives us old farts, me and Michael Chang, a chance at this. So, you know, and if you're in the front court in pickleball, you want to hit a lot of balls to me, you know, in the air, just outside. Why they call it the kitchen or why it's called pickleball, I have no idea. Doesn't sound particularly cool to me, but we've always had trouble in my sport to get our sport to be considered sort of cool or, you know, thought of in the same way as the other bigger sports. So it's been a frustration for, you know, 45 years for me. I'm going out and yelling at an umpire and sometimes saying choice words. And I'm guessing that they're not saying, hello, how are you on the football field? Yeah.

And how dare a tennis player, you know, curse or say something mean to the umpire? Outrageous. So always wanted to be thought of sort of in the same way as the other sports, but that's been an uphill battle. Yeah, I think it's because the setting, the environment kind of calls for it to almost be of a higher, hey, we don't do that here type thing. So I think that's why a lot of us related with you because we're like, hey, tennis has a fucking dog over there.

Can't wait to see how you perform in the pickleball slam and the doubles. I mean, you're a doubles champ. You'll be able to work the kitchen. Excited to watch you do your thing. April 2nd on ESPN for a million dollar prize, plus giving away a bunch of money as well to the winners. Let's talk about you and the refs because obviously it is a multi-sport issue now, John. I don't know if you know this. Like, officiating is at its absolute worst.

But it feels like tennis has it figured out because they have the entire court lasered pretty much. And we get to see that this thing's like a millimeter out of bounds. I couldn't even fathom back in the day before that happened, how frustrating it would have had to have been to have a much better view on it than the people that are making the call. And I don't know, millions of dollars and millions of eyes being on the line and that call being wrong.

Do you think you're a massive part of the change of the review system of tennis? And how can we make it fucking like that everywhere is is why is tennis so much better than everybody else now when it comes to reviews you think john well first of all uh you know i first time i went to london to play wimbledon i'd see linesman and umpire that appeared to be older than my grandfather and may or may not have been awake sometimes and i'm thinking how the hell does anyone think when we watched and hit hundreds of thousands of not millions of balls that we don't see the better

the ball better than they do but they didn't seem to buy into that despite the fact they'd make terrible calls they'd still insist that you you know behave absolutely properly so that didn't go over too well but you know after a while Connors myself maybe Nastassi they felt like the inmates were running the asylum a bit too much so at that point they tightened up the rules and they try to take the personality out of our sport and lord knows in our game a one-on-one game in my opinion you need personality and so they sort of stifled that so uh i think they figured out over the course of time that that was a bad idea and tennis is the only sport

though actually you always have these judgment calls i mean there's a penalty on every play in football you can make the same argument um in in basketball you wonder why if i go i'd go crazy if i was a baseball player and an umpire gave a picture of the outside you know part of the plate are you in a batter's box with an outside curve call oh my god that that would be awesome i think that's what the plate for i believe the plates for if it's over the plate it's a strike if it's not it's not so that would be something that would be frustrating but tennis is the only sport where you know you're sort of in this rectangle and now they figured out a way to you know get all the lines covered there's no linesman i only worry about the conspiracy part of this there's some

guy up in the top of the stadium that's doing this computer thing come on you know that could happen also oh that could john i don't even want to think of that because of how close it is oh yeah oh he needs one put the one out that's an inch out you know honestly do we know if it's 100% accurate? I don't think we know the answer. I think there's a plus or minus. But I will say that it is comforting for the players ultimately. You got to buy into it. I bought into it.

Fine. The fans seem to like it. The players. You don't even need to have linesmen or umpires anymore. So maybe, hey, maybe I did have something to do with that. Get rid of these guys and give the money they were giving to linesmen. Lord knows why they're getting any, but give it to the players. I'm sure there's a couple good ones every once in a while,

but the whole thought of. Very rarely. The thought of a tennis player clearly seeing the ball go out yeah then they run the fucking replay and it's on the line and then immediately you go they just fucked me they are they just like that is that why you feel that way is because if you've been in that situation or if you were in that situation you'd be like that's clearly wrong wrong, though. And everybody is just 100% bought in on it. Because I heard it in your answer there. The fans clearly have bought into this.

Some of the players have bought into it. Are you thinking that those situations happen and we don't really get to see it because we all just are blind believers in the laser system that we're showing? I'm hoping not. Okay, good. Okay, good. That's a good deal. I'm hoping not.

Because I look at that thing with bated breath. I'm like, I thought it was in. I thought it was in. Ty has a question for you, John. John, when you look at the state of tennis right now, and you've got guys like Nadal and Federer who are obviously done, and with the exception of Djokovic, it's kind of a period of transition almost. Do you think that professional tennis is worried at all about the growth of pickleball,

or do you think the guys who are going to go play pro pickleball are going to continually be the guys who can't hack it professionally in tennis? Both. I think that there's a concern in tennis, obviously, when you have the three greatest players that ever lived just about to stop playing. I don't know how much longer Djokovic and Nadal can go on. This guy Alcaraz is electric. He's like, you know, one of the all-time players potentially.

So that's good. I wonder the same thing. Is pickleball helping or hurting tennis? I wonder the same thing as pickleball helping or hurting tennis. I think that for the most part, to me, the best athletes are going to still go towards tennis. There's no question about it. But I think it's important for us to try to get, you know, the Michael Jordans, the great athletes, young, growing up to play two or three sports. LeBron James played two or three sports. Try to get those kids interested in tennis like the Williams sisters.

In the women's game, the girls, the playing field is more level in tennis than any other sport by far. I mean, tennis, they get 15 times more than the WNBA gets. And the best athletes, therefore, play tennis, which is good for us. In tennis, the men's, you know, there's football first, then there's basketball, there could be baseball. Now soccer is growing. You can stick 20 kids on a soccer field or something the size of a tennis court. Pickleball, you can put two or three pickleball courts. Yeah. Chain. That's all it is. The chain. Okay.

You got, you got tennis up here, somewhere way above there. Then you got racquetball, these other games, pickleball. Where the hell did that come from? 60.

This has been around 60 years for God's sakes. Now all of a sudden they're saying it's bigger than tennis. I'm like, wow. Maybe just participation though. You got to think maybe it's just than tennis i'm like wow oh this is maybe just participation though you gotta think maybe it's just participation because like we're all how old are you connor 27 he's 27 years old never played tennis i don't think right never never was a tennis player but played ping pong so like we're ping pong look at, John. I weigh 300 pounds. Just easy. Just easy.

Whatever, dude. But it is great. It is a great little cardio activity that is pretty easy to do. So I think it's going to be a tough road for pickleball to try to catch up to tennis when it comes to prestige, when it comes to sport. Yeah. You know what I mean? If that happens, then there's an apocalypse. Okay?

If that happens. Just keep that in mind, because if we even get close to that, we got some serious problems. But that doesn't mean it's not good for people to go out there and hit a pickleball. There you go. And you don't get a little. Pickleball doubles is more is watched or that's played like way more than singles. Why is that? The court's already a third the size or whatever it is of tennis. Now they're playing doubles. I mean, what is it? So you can sit in a chair while you play while you're at it? I mean, come on.

But thankfully, since I'm not getting any younger, I'm in the 60s is rough. Yeah, you might be in a chair. It makes sense for me. You know, so maybe I will be like Bobby Riggs. I'll play someone sitting in a chair. It makes sense for me. So maybe I will. I'll be like Bobby Riggs. I'll play someone sitting in a chair. That's what I'm saying. What was that guy that did the chair workouts that sold him for a bunch of money on TV?

He went missing for a long time. Yeah, he would do the chair work. Imagine McEnroe. Richard Simmons. Well, there's also others, but certainly Richard Simmons was missing. We hope he's okay. You can underhand serve from that wheelchair. Oh, yeah. Simple.

Is that why, Pat, you wear that sleeveless shirt? Because you try to model after Richard Simmons? I wish I was as healthy and handsome, obviously. John, last question. But I think it is a sport that, like, for – I don't think, like, the tournaments were, but activity-wise, I think it is activity that is, like, very easy for a lot of people to participate in. Pac-Man has a question for you. Last one here, John. We appreciate you.

John, I totally agree with you on the athletic ability that you have to have to play pickleball, which is zero because I haven't won a game here. Yeah, that's right. This asshole have beaten me every time. The guy you said that, of course, never played has beat Pac-Man Jones, runs 4-2-8. I mean, that is... What's up, John? How about that? John, you got any...

Pac-Man, you know, he's very intense, so I'm surprised he's not... You know, you don't want to lose twice. I don't know if that's happened, but that's got to be enough to make you quit or work at it. Cause you, you know, you're very intense out there on the field.

It's got me working at it. So do you got any pointers for me? There we go. Uh, I'm not the right guy to ask about, you know, pointers for pickleball. You're playing for a million dollars next weekend,

John figured the fuck out. What are we doing? Here's, here's my advice. Then you used to backpedal a lot. Forget the backpedaling part. Move forward. Get to the net as much as possible.

Atta baby. Hey, it sounds like you do have pickleball figured out. Can't wait to watch you guys compete in doubles. Also happening, same weekend, amateur pickleball slam tournament. Top amateur teams of two playing on March 31st and April 1st at Plantation Central Park for a $10,000 prize. Winners of the amateur pickleball slam tournament will also have the chance to compete against

the legend. Wow. Wow. Some of these pickleballers are coming on. Ladies and gentlemen, seven-time Grand Slam champion of tennis. Now, one of the faces of pickleball. Love you. John McAvoy.

Yeah, Johnny! What's happening? Thank you, John. Appreciate you, buddy. Oh, that was awesome. Yeah, what a beast. Just so much shit talk coming out of every answer. Johnny Mac's always going to be Johnny Mac.

Dude, that was amazing. He hates pickleball. Think about it. I mean, it certainly does feel that way. He fucking hates it. He hates that I'm taking away from tennis but wait till he wait till he starts playing like i feel like he has not invested enough time in it this tournament's going to force him to play and receive monetary benefit from and he's going to

realize that these tournaments are happening on a regular basis i think he's going to get into pickleball but we do need to stop attacking the tennis community. We need the tennis community to want to welcome in pickleball as well. Because I do feel like there's a budding. That's why I brought it up. Oh, yeah, for sure. There's a budding thing going on. It's like, whoa, tennis.

Nobody's talking about the fucking French Open here, okay? We're not talking about any of this stuff you guys got going on. But great activity, great sport that's cooking right now in the United States of America. It's been around for 60 years. I didn't know that until right there. It is. He mentioned it. He's a volley player. It could go either way. He could come in and just dominate and be like, fuck it, I'm not

wasting my time with this. These guys are 30 years younger. I'm beating their ass. I played it two weeks of the last three months. I'm not doing this shit anymore. Or maybe, yeah, he will catch the bug and be out there every weekend. Well, and Ty asked a good question because Federer, Rafa, and Djokovic, who he said are the three best of all time.

I didn't know if they were the three best or just the competition wasn't as good. That's why they all have over 20 grand slams. But if there's not a new person coming up, maybe 10. I think there's a 21-year-old who's the number one ranked player in the world right now. Tyson McGuffin might just jump over. Tyson McGuffin might have to go over to tennis. Well, that's because I was reading that, and a couple of these pickleball pros are guys

who have extensive tennis backgrounds, but obviously were never good enough to play professional tennis. It's a lot of movement. Pickleball is a lot of movement. Tennis, though, those dudes are running. You have to be in a maculate shape to play tennis. Sliding, your joints. It's a real...

It sounded like the consistent hate from John about pickleball was about the lack of athleticism and movement. And they play doubles. It's a smaller court. How dare you? They park the chair in the middle of the thing. I think he feels like it's not that active.

I'm sweating out here, though, Pat. I'm getting after whenever I'm running around. Yeah, I understood where he was coming from. He used the arena football as an example. Oh, yeah, I was quite shocked. Fucking arena football is not like NFL football. You're right, but it was exciting there for a good bit. I'm not saying it's not exciting, but it's not like—

No, we all agree with that. The caliber of work that you have to put in to be an NFL player, the caliber of work you have to put in to be a pro tennis player is way fucking different than pickleball or— The sport calls for different— Yeah, exactly. The sport calls for different things. And it has exploded.

Tennis has been around for a while, and it makes sense while they're doing like the netflix break point you know series to kind of grow tennis and grow the characters because that's one of the things he said like hey it's an individual sport you really don't know anyone outside of the rafa djokovic in the doll because those are the only like three guys after that like you just said some 21 year old is number one i didn't say it didn't say that. I think Tone said that. Oh, Tone said that? That'd be Tone. I didn't even know that.

I learned something. I have no fucking idea who that is. Man. Yeah, no idea. Hey, he's dumb. Yeah, but we know who Tyson McGuffin is. You're damn right. And we just started following Pickleball a month ago.

Yeah, but he also said Joker's around for a while. Is he? I don't know because, right? Yeah. Depends on. I won't let him play in any tournaments. He's 19. Pat.

Oh, he's younger. How do we not know? Wait till you see him on a pickleball court. What was that? To John's point, when we first started playing pickleball, we learned the actual rules. I think everyone was less than enthused about the style of play. So you kind of took it and crafted it and created Thunderball,

which is a much, much different version, I think, than the actual pickleball. So I see where he's coming from there about the athleticism and everything. We kind of put it back into the game. Remember our first rules were like a lot of jumping, flying. Just tennis. A lot of moving. We're playing tennis with a pickleball thing.

And then A.Q. Shipley came over, the authority on pickleball. Remember, because he played at his club. Had his bag with him when it came over. And then A.Q. Shipley came over, the authority on pickleball. Remember? Because he played at his club. Yeah, had his bag with him when it came over. He full on. You're not allowed to do that. Look it up. Look it up. Okay?

Like he was getting upset about us beating him in this game that we had never played except for the day before and he had a fucking full bag. He's like, that's not the rules. You guys aren't even playing pickleball right now or whatever. So we looked up the rules and we were like, oh, they're trying to take all the athleticism basically out of but there's strategy in there and you can find it in there too if you start working it there's real strategy and real sports i think but our game is way different but i like the advice he gave me said come up play up don't backpedal and i figured that out by the last game yeah you gotta dance with the kitchen i don't know

why it's called well it's because it's hot in there. Yeah. Okay. When you're up near the kitchen, it's hot up there. The fumes are coming off. It's kind of what we figured out, too. It's like,

however much you buy into it, that's how good of a workout you'll get out of it. If you actually are trying to move out there and trying to work up a sweat, you absolutely will. And if you're trying to just kind of sit back and dick around and volley, you're not going to break a sweat.

It's not going to be a very good workout. That's why everybody loves it. Yeah. That's why everybody loves it as like a cardio, I think, personally. That's what it is. I think a lot of people just view it as a way to move. Like I'm just trying to move and do something without thinking that I'm moving and doing things.

And it's great. They're putting the old chicken and pickle thing in here at Indiana. Genius. And we're like, yeah, we're going to go up there. Those courts are all going to be booked. We're never going to be able to get on them. That place is going to be flooded. Never going to be able to get on them, ever.

Everybody loves this game. You don't have to be no age group. I love this game, and I Googled the pickleball game, which is a little bit more easier than this game. For sure. The Thunderdome game, this is a real game. Yeah, there's a real deal here. Yeah, Thunderball is a little bit more easier than this game. For sure. The Thunderdome game, this is a real game. Yeah, this is a real deal here. Yeah, Thunderball is a real deal.

It's a different ballgame. I'm pretty proud of what we got here, and it's only happened because of what we had available. So you kind of just piece a game together. This is like whenever you're growing up and you just fucking make shit up. This is kind of, hey, it has a little bit of this, has a little bit of that. I don't want to say it's basketball, but, I mean,

this is vastly different than actual pickleball. More court to defend. The wood, fast. Slick track. So these balls are coming quick. Still going to be able to work the kitchen though. The kitchen is a big deal. Feel better about it though from what McEnroe just said. He needs to know, does he?

He would love this game, I think. I believe he hates pickleball because of the lack of athleticism. You need more athleticism than in regular pickleball by far. I don't need that. He won't last in here. He's packed, man. He won't last. We're running.

He's John freaking Mack. He's 65 years old. He's 64 fucking years old. No way he's going to last in this game. Now, maybe the regular pickleball, but right here, made by. The Thunderball? He probably comes in as the number three player in the office. Who, McEnroe?

Yeah. I mean, the two- I would assume that McEnroe would do well. I think he would crush us. Well, in his 30s, yeah, for sure. He would love a false. The fact that we have faults on our serves, he would love that. Get a bonus shot at it.

Bingo. And underhand, what is the rule? The exact rule is the paddle has to be lower than your wrist. Foxy and I were reading it. Yeah, paddle below the wrist when you. Yeah. And below the belly button. And below, yeah, that too.

Oh, I've been dancing with that. With this game, you've got to run around a little bit, though. You've got to move. But he's got a point. He already knows the game of pickleball. You've got to get to the net. Yeah, I can't wait to watch it happen. Sunday, April 2nd, noon on ESPN.

Hell yeah. At Hard Rock down there in Hollywood, Florida. Oh, nice. The Seminole. What a party. Yeah, it's a great. Right by Lottie Dowdy. There's like a nice batch of bars and clubs in the back there.

Fantastic. It used to be. I don't know if it still is. I haven't been there in a long time. It's where that woman who was married to that really old guy passed away. Anna Cole Smith. She passed away in there. I think I was actually there the same weekend.

That is crazy. But it was a good time. It used to be a really good time down there. We know Agassi hates this fucking game too. Yeah, I would wonder if McEnroe is speaking for all of tennis there or just McEnroe because that could be the case. Yeah, I think a lot of tennis. Speaking of pickleball, I mean, you look out here.

What do you see, boys? A couple of new things. Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a five-minute break and set this thing up because we got packed house here. Here we go. On the other side, we're going to have our second entry into the hashtag easy carry contest that Bud Light is having on Twitter right now.

All you got to do is get creative. Film yourself carrying some beers to the friends or to the couch where you're going to sit down and have a beer. Yeah. Obviously, yesterday, Ty Schmidt completed the Thunder Course here in the Thunderdome where he picked up five aluminum bottles. That's right. For five people here on stage. Buried a beer pong shot. Went up and over the Thunderball court.

Did a little zigzag thingy. Went over this. Buried a putt. Got it to all of us. Under 60 seconds. Unreal. Hashtag easy carry contest. There's our submission.

Bud Light's giving one person their favorite. Hashtag easy carry Contest. There's our submission. Bud Light's giving one person their favorite. Hashtag Easy Carry Contest submission. 15 grand. Whoa. That's a lot. Do you know how much bullshit Bud Light had to go through? Or maybe not, because maybe the Anheuser-Busch company is just really cool. Do you know how much most companies would have to go through to give away $15,000 on something?

Oh, endless amount of headaches. Wouldn't happen. I'm just letting you know,15,000 on something? Oh, endless amount of headaches. I'm just letting you know, we have potentially had conversations with a lot of companies about potentially giving away money, especially at that level that involves taxes and more paperwork and everything like that and losing money from your company. Most places it does not

fly. But let's say $15,000, give it. Get rid of it. All you got to do is just create a way or create a video of you carrying some beer to the friends or to the couch. Make it creative. They will be voting on it. Who's voting? That's a good question.

Pack, are you voting? Yeah, I vote. Well, is Bud Light going to have you as a voter? I wonder. I do wonder how they'll be picking. I'm sure you have something to do with that. Clydesdale's for Budweiser? Well, yeah. Or the Frogs coming too?

They're going to do the. It might be. Yeah, that'd be cool. The Budweiser. They need to bring those commercials back. Hell yeah. Bud. Bud.

Weiser. That was 30 seconds. Cost them what? Like $4 million during the Super Bowl. Just had fucking frogs Genius Genius Still remember it

Yep Shout out to Bud Light Way to go Bud Light Bud is old So the There's some conversations Happening around What's wrong AJ?

Nothing Bill I just worry for Bill Hope he's doing alright We all do Yeah The camera dropping was a real bummer. Pac-Man is one of Bill's biggest allies. He is. Isn't that right, Pac?

Literally since day one. Pac is very smart. He knows you gotta stay on Bill's side. He gets it. Yeah. Bob Cool. Bill just said it. Bill just said it in chat. It's a humid day. Sweaty hands. Bob Cool. Bob Cool. Yeah. Bob, Bob Cool. Yeah.

What you going to show me yesterday? Shin High. Shin High. Oh, man. Sorry, Bill. Your name's Bob now. Dude, that's a good change. Yeah.

Not bad. I said Pop. Did I? I think I said Bob. Bob. Yeah. We were hoping you said Bob. Bob would be sweet.

Bob would have been. At this point, you did. Dude, his name is Bob all of a sudden. Bobby Tubes? Oh, that was amazing. All right, let's dive in here. Pac-Man broke some news earlier from his source, Sizz, that the D-Hop conversation behind the scenes is seemingly heating up from his source, Sizz.

Five teams involved in the conversation, Falcons, Raiders, Ravens, Patriots, and Buffalo Beals. Pac-Man, I get everything right there? Yep. Okay, that's what his sources are telling him. Last night, DeHop posted on his Instagram a picture of himself rolling out and saying, Buffalo Soldier! With the lyrics on the screen so everybody can see. You know, you see he's kind of driving away, isn't he?

And you can look into the red car, too, even more, like Cardinals, you know what I mean? You can kind of see that whole thing. And then Buffalo Soldier is almost a title across the top. He's been working out with Von Miller. His sources are telling him that these five teams are involved. The Buffalo Bills are one of them. This is an interesting little development here because if something happens sooner than later, that would make sense because the draft is coming up and people would like, you know,

something in exchange that they could potentially prepare for and use to make their team better in the next phase of the Arizona Cardinals under Monty. Osindor Fort. One of the two. Osindor Fort. Boom. We nailed it. The new general manager for the Arizona Cardinals under Monty. Ossendorf. Fort. One of the two. Austin Fort. Boom. We nailed it. The new general manager for the Arizona Cardinals.

What are your thoughts on that? And the Buffalo Bills have potentially, it sounds like, from his Instagram story, maybe he'll do each one of those teams every single night. Like tonight he'll have an Atlanta song. Welcome to Atlanta. Yeah, the whole Atlanta song. Shipping up to Boston. Dude, then a vape. I don't know if he'll have that one. I don't know if that one. Well, I thought that's what you were about to Atlanta. Yeah, the whole some Atlanta song. Shipping up to Boston. Dude, then a Vegas.

I don't know if he'll have that one. I don't know if that one. Well, I thought that's what you were about to say. Maybe. I mean, you're right. That could be a potential. For this particular series, yes, he could do that. Vegas won, probably going to be sick.

And in Baltimore, I'm very pumped to see what the choice is, if that is what he's doing. But feels like, right? Right? Doesn't it feel like? Feels like the Buffalo Beals are the front runner, right? Could you imagine them with Hop? That sounds like a fucking.

Out of those, when you started naming the teams, I instantly thought, yeah, I mean, I would imagine if you're D-Hop, you're trying to get to Buffalo. You want to go play with Josh Allen and the rest of those stars they have. You're going to get a ton of balls. Obviously, Lamar's situation needs to get cleared up for him to get more excited about the Ravens, I would imagine would imagine but other than that where would he want to go yeah pack and you talked about you know punditry i think you were talking about not source says but you gave your thoughts

on like what he wants to do and what his mission is right he just wants to win this guy yeah of course and then you got to look at the conference and the division. And I'm not just saying Cincinnati is a three-head monster, but they are. It takes a good group of wide receivers to be competitive on that side. You look at the game, you go back, and you say, how can we beat Cincinnati? If you're the Ravens? No. Or just in general? If you're the Buffalo Bills.

Oh, gotcha. Because that's what it is. Buffalo Bills, the Chiefs, and Cincinnati right now on that side. Got it. So I think Buffalo, this would be a great move for them. This make it a game when they play against Cincinnati now. Go ahead. I was told by Pac and Connor and other people that the Buffalo Bills were dead, so why would he go there if he wants to

win a championship? Yeah, they did both say that. That's without DeHoff. It's without DeHoff, but also like what Pack just said, you got to look at the division and the conference. I mean, does DeHoff want to go to where Aaron Rodgers is going, where they're loading up everywhere and now there's other news that they might add more people? Is that what you guys are telling yourself

up in New England? I don't know what I'm telling myself up in New England is. Is that what you guys are saying? Oh, people don't want to come because Aaron Rodgers. The big bad wolf's back in town. Is that it? People haven't wanted to come to New England for a little bit. Okay? So we don't have to act like.

Since when? Since when? Since Cam Newton. So we don't have to act like that. Oh. Tom? Well, AB came for Tom. Yeah.

And then thanks a lot, Antonio. But again, it hasn't been since Cam Newton. But when you look at the division as a whole, that's why it's like, okay, Bills, it makes sense. Josh Allen's unbelievable. Stephon Diggs will be the best receiver DeAndre Hopkins has ever played with. Probably for Stephon Diggs, the best receiver he's ever played with. Yeah, what's been going on with him?

He did unfollow the Bills. He did unfollow the Bills, which we have to keep an eye upon. Yeah, he just restructured. So he just restructured his contract to free up even more cap space, and they restructured Bob Miller and Josh Allen. Oh yeah, because he took more guaranteed cash. Exactly. So that feels like that's not as

big of a thing, but if you are looking at those five teams, like yeah, Baltimore, they're not top dogs in their division. Atlanta, they're not. Raiders, they're not. Patriots, they're not. The only top dog is the Bills. Be a great year to have D-Hop in there. Yeah. And the Bengals lost a couple very key guys on defense,

so that's probably another reason that's not on the list. Oh. Bengals are a problem, though. Yeah, at offense. Hey, they're going to be able to go no matter what with Joe Burrow there forever. He's like Aaron. Automatic contenders when you've got those type of guys. How much fun is it to have those type of guys on your team?

That's something. Ty, you tell us. How much fun is that to have? It was a lot of fun. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. And now we'll see what the other side of that's like. Well, it might be great, too.

We don't know. We have no idea. We have no clue. We have no clue. And he also might, you know, we'll see. Aaron Rodgers could be playing quarterback for the Packers next year. I have not ruled that out yet. AJ, what was that?

What was that, AJ? I got a question for Ty, a legit question for Ty as a Packer fan. How old were you when we went from Brett to Aaron? Do you remember? What year did he get drafted? 2005? Yeah, so like 2008 or 2009 was when Aaron came in, right? In high school?

Yeah, so I was like a senior in high school, freshman in college. How'd you feel? Were you pissed or were you pumped for Aaron? No, I was pumped. Because you saw him in that Cowboys game or what? I know a lot of people... That was part of it. That was part of it, but also

towards the tail end of Favre's career, like in the playoffs, he was throwing so many picks and it was just like, he was throwing so many picks. He was great for a long time, but it's time to move on from this guy. Smart. I think some text messages or stats prove about the picks. Allegedly.

I accidentally said text messages. Allegedly. Stats. I watched it with my own two eyes. We're telling about his story here. We're not talking about it. We're just saying 100% football. I was on the team. There was a few picks thrown.

I was there. A lot of touchdowns too. A lot of touchdowns. For sure. Documented. What year did you graduate high school? 2009. I was in 5. College would have been in 9. How about you? High school? 2009. Oh, me? No, I was 05. College would have been 09.

How about you, high school? Oh, shit. Is that me? I don't know. Probably. Is that thing off? 02, you graduated high school? Yeah.

How about you, AJ? Same as Pac, 02. Oh, nice. You did not redshirt. No. Right in there three years out. Out of there. We are going to the NFL.

Planned in high school, you knew it was going to happen? Yeah. You knew you were going to the NFL immediately upon stepping in? I knew I would go pro in something. I didn't know if it would be basketball or football. One of them. That's sweet. That's cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Hey, listen, one of these sports is going to pay me a shit ton of money. That transition to Aaron Rodgers, though, Brett Favre was trending uh allegedly i don't even know how to have to sorry for all right sorry but have to do this he was trending this is just a factual fucking thing he was trending because a lot of people were saying all this aaron situation because the jets they were going into it all and then if you went in there and started like listening to Packers fans felt like there was mixed reviews AJ what what was it like behind the scenes going for it everybody was pumped for Aaron or was there some old guard members that weren't exactly thrilled about how it was ending with Brett Favre because

you could definitely see that especially with being in an NFL locker room before and how was it all kind of handled behind the scenes I mean it was it's somewhat crazy thinking back to it because I remember Brett was the start of my first two years there Aaron was the backup lighting everything up in practice we knew how great he was and then Brett had one of his retirement pressers where he was crying and retired I remember that offseason watching it in Ohio I'm like all right we're moving on to Aaron here we go and then Brett wanted to come back in the players we all knew how great Aaron was. We were gung-ho, all ready to go.

And then Brett wanted to come back. It was the fans. Like, the fans, when we opened up training camp, Brett, that's when all the drama came. Brett, like, flew in to, you know, the airport. They got footage of him getting off the plane when we were about to go have our family night scrimmage the first week of camp, all that stuff.

And then we go to practice, and fans were, they were loud. Like they were pretty loud. I guess not like Green Bay fans are so respectful and so nice, but they definitely wanted Brett around. They definitely did. And then Aaron came in and even though we were 6-10, 6-10 Aaron's first year starting, but he still played really well. We gave up a ton of points.

Okay. So Ty, go ahead. Well, and also just like the, I mean, I think it was like a lot of like the older Packers fans were definitely pissed and wanted Favre to stay there and probably retire there. But it also made things easier because you guys won the Super Bowl like not too long after Rodgers took over. So it was like –

What year? Second year? 2010 season. So I think his second year starting maybe, maybe his third. So it was like – and like AJ said, like even watching that first year when they went six and ten it's like this guy's unbelievable like we're in good hands here and then boom they win the super bowl right after that and it's like okay made the right move so much different i was there when peyton was cut and then andrew luck came in andrew had immediate success i think that it had to happen. I think that had to happen.

Now, he didn't have as much success as Peyton. Peyton went on a couple different Super Bowls, and he broke records. So a lot of Indianapolis was Broncos fans as well because Peyton brought football to the city of Indianapolis. They weren't the Colts. So whenever he gets cut, it gets a little loud. It got a little divisive, I think. It was a pretty divisively Colts and community,

and then community itself as well. So Andrew knew, and I don't know if Andrew knew this. I mean, Andrew just handles everything just like, he was just like this all the time. Cons, man, bro. He's been a professional. He was so good, man. He was so good.

I remember playing against him and watching him on film. I'm like, geez, they're going to pay this dude a billion dollars when he's out a professional he was so good man he was so good i remember like playing against him and watching him on film i'm like geez they're gonna pay this dude a billion dollars when he's out there it's rookie deal they did i actually tweeted about that almost i got fined for it because tannahill got some deal yeah i forget what tannahill i forget what tannahill's deal was and then i put out a tweet like if ryan tannahill is getting that we've already been at the afc championship andrew luck has already done everything. They're going to have to give Andrew a percentage of the fucking team. If this is what quarterbacks are already starting to get, because the thought that quarterbacks are going to

start getting ridiculous amounts of money has been talked about for a long time. Eating up a lot of the salary cap, that has been talked about for a long, long time. But Andrew had to be good quick. And I think what happened with Aaron there, two years in, they're winning the Super Bowl.

Andrew is very good. I guess Jared Goff. You have less time now, don't you think? You have less time to prove that you're the man now. If you have one iffy year, they might be drafting a dude right away. I'm trying to think about when a guy has left in the team. I guess Patriots is the only situation where a guy has left and a guy stunk that was in the next one.

But that wasn't. Yeah, it was a little different just because we brought in Cam like the immediate after Tom was a guy from outside the Jets who when they trade who I said you said they suck no no I'm saying like after a team loses a guy like like Seattle for instance they trade away Russell Wilson yeah and then Gino comes in leads the fucking fucking NFL. We thought they were dead. Everyone thought Seattle was dead this year. That's a much easier transition. Like, yeah, bingo. Go ahead, Tone. Chiefs, Alex Smith and Mahomes. That one worked out. And Alex Smith had an

MVP-like season the year before. And then it was like his best season he's ever had. And then they're like, yep, actually, we're moving on. Call me Maddox to Ben Roethlisberger. Bingo. Go win Super Bowl. Opposite would be Drew Brees. The Saints have not been good since Drew Brees has left. Okay, so in my head, I was trying to rally

to find a spot. I guess that would be the... We'll see with the Bucks now. With Baker. With Tom Levin. That's interesting because results are in a business. We're going to find out and in a lot of the situations, the next generation has done good in these types of things. Jordan Love has certainly showcased that he could be when's the deal getting done aj whether

what's the i mean what's the is there any reason for it to happen right now there's no deadline we're looking at you can at least plan like the draft yeah you know like there's some things you can certainly assume both sides want it done right schaefter said uh that they have not talked this week. Yeah, so I don't know if you're – But don't you think the trade the Jets made yesterday trying to pick up draft capital, that's clearly like, hey, this is either going to be used for whatever we give up

or this is going directly to the Packers to try to get us Aaron and this thing. I certainly think so. I think it was something. But also, the earlier you do something, the more planning, the more information, the more flexibility you have. Like, we're all just assuming, like, first night, draft night, because, like, that is the deadline. But there has to be some sort of positive that comes up in conversation

when they're discussing the situation where it's like, yeah, and if we have that $60 million off of our cap right now, we can also restructure this. We can do this. Like, there's just so many in the jets. Like, all right, we got our guy. We can start doing our stuff. We don't have these picks.

Packers, okay, we have these picks now. We can kind of bounce through what we want to do with them, maybe move them. It's like we all assume first night draft. Are you hearing that? I just heard that again, yeah. What is it, I wonder, you think? All this stuff's off.

That usually happens if someone's phone is too close to a mic. Maybe it's this. This mic's off. I don't think someone's phone is too close to a mic. Maybe it's this. This mic's off. I don't think it just happened again. You're moving yours. We'll get it figured out someday. Eventually. That was the first time in a while we've been pretty good.

I feel like our audio has been pretty good. Yeah, ever since Z and that guy fixed it. Jake is his name. Jake. Jake is Jake. You probably didn't hear his name because you were too busy potting. No, no. I was probably too busy trying to figure out when the breakfast was coming in without being

told. This guy was told we had an early tea time today. Okay. He didn't let words into his ears. We cannot lie to the people about this. We talk about being a very transparent show. We cannot lie to the people. We cannot tell them. I was thinking about Foxy. Did we tell him? We definitely told him.

Everybody that was at the situation, vote on whether or not you thought it. All in favor that we did tell him, vote on whether or not you thought it. Okay. All in favor that we did tell him, say aye. Aye. All opposed, say nay. Nay. Okay, so we're a democracy.

That's a great point. Let's go to the only other person this week that was coming in for morning pickleball. It was Gertie. Gertie, you're back there. Were you told, Gertie, that this morning was going on? You're supposed to arrive at 7? I didn't know about the early tea time. Oh, Gertie! Well, you're back there! Gertie! G't know about the early tea time. Oh, Gertie, what a morning! But that's a great time to get my ass moving.

Gertie's making a grassy. Yes, thank you. That's actually horse shit. I don't know what you're trying to do, Gertie. I was sitting right over there when Pat told you about the morning. Yeah, because we just got done playing yesterday, and he said it's going to be an early tea time tomorrow. And Tone was a morning, he was a morning, he was told.

I was even told, not normally a morning. I hear a lot of Paul Greeson. I don't hear a lot of honest truth being told. And Tone was the morning. He was told. Ty was even told. Not normally a morning. I hear a lot of pole greasing. I don't hear a lot of honest truth being told. What are you talking about pole greasing? I'm the most honest guy you know. You're getting jacked off right now with your memory of the whole situation. There's a lot of pole greasing. I have to just sit in the middle of it and just be the one.

You're skiing. You're the one. What we want to let you know is we missed you this morning. That's what we're saying. That's not what you're skiing. You're the one. All this crap. What we want to let you know is we missed you this morning. That's what we're saying. That's not what you're saying. And you're taking offense. You're taking offense to it. That's not what you're saying.

AJ, this is disgusting. Is he invited anymore? Is he invited to the morning sessions anymore? He was today. He didn't show up. He did not get invited. I did not get invited. Let's move on.

John McEnroe says this sport doesn't matter anyways. I thought he was promoting pickleball or something. He was. That's how he does it. Yeah, that's how he does it. He's like a fool. First of its kind event featuring four American tennis icons. John McEnroe, Andre Agassi, Andy Roddick, and Michael Chang.

The four legends will compete in the fastest-growing sport in America, pickleball, for a $1 million purse. Broadcast live on ESPN on April 2nd at noon Eastern from Hard Rock Live at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida. Additionally, yep, you get it, $100,000. Wait, the winning team gets a million dollars? Yeah, dude. Yeah, pretty sweet. That's why John McEnroe

said it was too good of an opportunity to pass up. Yeah. I don't like the sport. Nobody's moving. Don't really have to be an athlete. They'll give me a million bucks if I fucking win. I guess I'll do it. It's kind of what he said. I love that he went heel in the promotion of this whole thing. Pickleball people booing McEnroe or chirping McEnroe

would be an awesome thing if it took place. That's what we were talking about is tennis guys having a rivalry with pickleball guys. These pickleball pros have to be fucking pissed because they are not playing for a million bucks in those tournaments. I know that for a fact. It's like,

I'm a pro and I just won a singles title and I got $10,000 and a $100 gift card to Chicken and Pickle or whatever that fucking restaurant is. Hey, place is awesome. I heard it's sweet. I heard Chicken and Pickle is awesome. It's coming to NDA.

Welcome to NDA. And then you got McEnroe, who is just – he's trashing our sport, and they're going to let him play for a billion bucks next week. He's going to have to earn it. He's 64. He's going to have to earn it. I think he's just going in there heel. I wish the over-under that he cuts the ref out,

because I'm quite sure they don't have fucking replay. There's no way. Yeah, you're right. They're not going to have laser. Right. They ain't going in there heel. What's your over-under that he cuts the ref out? Because I'm quite sure they don't have fucking replay. There's no way. Yeah, you're right. They're not going to have laser. Right. They ain't going to have laser. You think it'd get that intense for a million dollars? Yeah.

Yeah. Smash some paddles. I feel like old Joey Macair knows what the deal is here. Yeah. Yep. He's trying to build up a little bit of angst. Yeah, he wants to give back. Who's his teammate?

Michael Chang. Yeah, he was talking shit on Agassi. Yeah, he wants to give back. Who's his teammate? Michael Chang. Yeah, he was talking shit on Agassi. Yeah, he hates Agassi. Allegedly. I don't know. I don't know if he alluded to that at all. He said if Agassi wants to fucking hang out on the back line, good luck. Yeah.

He said that's where he made all his hay. He said, I made it up at the net front court. He said, that's kind of the game. Is he calling that soft? Is he saying it's soft when Agassi played? Bingo. He said in pickleball he's in trouble. Yeah, basically he said that. And then he said Roddick's serve, like

can't serve it overhand. Sorry about it, pal. So his serve was a big advantage. He's like, don't have that anymore. Negated. So McEnroe's been studying. I think he's going to be ready. I'm excited that he's going in there. I will watch, though. I'm looking at the TV right now. Bryce Young is jogging, warming up. I believe his pro day is today. Speaking of pro days,

yesterday, C.J. Stroud had his pro day, warming up. I believe his pro day is today. Speaking of pro days, yesterday, C.J. Stroud had his pro day at Ohio State. I believe the general, Bob Carpenter, was in attendance. And maybe that's why he performed so damn well. There was a video that surfaced on the internet afterwards that makes everybody believe, with that number one pick, C.J.'s going to

Carolina. Listen to what Josh McCown, who is now the quarterback coach for the Carolina Panthers, says to C.J. Stroud on his way out of the Pro Day. Jim Caldwell. Legend. He's doing well, bro. That was great. I'll be there, I think,

17th. Owner of the fucking team there. Thank you. Thank you all for coming, man. I appreciate you. there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good job.

We'll find a court. It's right here. Come on. Okay. I got to go to Charlotte. We'll find a court. We'll find a court. Whoa.

Josh kind of knew what he was doing. There's fucking cameras right yonder. Right there. You know, and Josh is going to have to be the guy who's going to battle with the quarterback has the quarterback coach quarterback coach very important role especially for a rookie quarterback that's going to be a superstar phenom in everybody's eyes i think that was a massive statement are we reading too far into it the owner daps him up jim caldwell's in the in the circle frank reich's there josh mccown's there when you live in charlotte he's saying cj

shroud's going number one is that what you're hearing out of the uh the pro day yesterday aj hawk all right sir it sure seems that way when you see the owner there and everyone like it does make sense but also this could be a giant smoke screen because are they watching bryce young right now yeah that's after that workout that we saw some highlights i was wondering if like everyone they go to they're like okay we're saying we're taking this guy. Yeah, bingo. Yeah, probably. Good play. It might feel that way, yeah. Good play by Ohio State getting in there first.

So now they judge everybody off of what C.J. Stroud just did, which was ball. I mean, he looked incredible at his pro day. Pac, what are your thoughts on that interaction there and what happens at number one with the Carolina Panthers? I think it's a done deal. Normally when the quarterbacks are that good and that high, they already have their eyes on the guy. You normally don't slip.

They like this guy. For the owner, the owner comes to the pro day. The owner never goes to the pro day. So for the owner to be there and the whole staff, as far as offensively, I think it's a done deal. A couple things here quickly. It was reported by Dave Calabro here, NBC affiliate, WTHR. Good guy, sports guy, local guy.

Been around the Colts a long time. He reported yesterday, I believe, that Colts had one person at the pro day. We think that he was the only person that said that. We do not know if that's 100% true, but Calabro would be a guy that would have that information. Great hair on that fucking guy, too. Bisono's got great fucking hair, Calabro. There was only one person there. All of Indianapolis goes like, aren't we in the market for a quarterback?

Yeah, I got a chance of getting in. Why would we have one person? What are your thoughts on that? And also, what happened to your pro day? So, yeah, at my pro day, it was like the top ten teams there. Nobody that was up under the tenth pick wasn't there. No big deal. Yeah, you know.

So it worked out, boom, boom, boom. But it was only like the top six teams because other teams didn't think they had a shot. I don't think the Colts have a shot of getting CJ. There's nowhere in the hell that he slips all the way down to three. Yeah, which is where we would have to go to get a quarterback we'd have to trade up to three which would have to be another play which is why I think a lot of Colts fans are like we're not even looking to think if we should make him make a play if he's going to be there but how many how many Titans people were there when I for your pro day oh it was only one so that's what I think that is

something it's interesting like whenever they're able to take that top 30 visit and they have them in their own building and facility, I think that matters a lot more, AJ. Am I right as a top five pick in the NFL? I think you're right because they want to get you one-on-one, what you're like when you're not around anybody else, get you in the room, get you on the board, do all the stuff you did for 15 minutes at the combine.

They want to get you with a full day, maybe take you to dinner, actually see, hey, is this dude, does he have a presence about him is he a leader how's he gonna fit in this locker room like they're just doing all their homework and at the combine he had the greatest throwing performance that daniel jeremiah has seen in a long time yeah so i guess you could if you had eyes on him at the pro day when he's doing different throws and different things with wide receivers that he knows and timing and everything you can see what else he does i think he's just understood probably a lot of people hey, the guy can fucking throw the football. So going forward here in these pro days,

I don't think we should automatically just panic if a team doesn't seem to have as much interest because it doesn't mean anything. And literally, Pac-Man is sitting right here, number six overall pick. Titans only had one person at the workout. Yeah. The other thing, too, with stratton is the movement like i

know we talk about this all the time with you know sports books they have that was a terrible throw i'm joking look at him just fucking right casual like boom in a bucket dude he's on in person too when you watch him play which i assume a lot of the guys got to see at the combine when he was working out. Thankfully, he threw, too. Yeah. Threw at the Combine. Didn't have to throw at the Combine.

Threw at the Combine. Other people in the past in his position wouldn't have thrown at the Combine. Throws at the Combine. When we got to see him at that Georgia game, Peach Bowl, you look at him and you're like, holy fuck, that's a Sunday guy. That's the dude. Like, I guess that is something that could happen at the Pro Day. You know, I guess that's another thing that can take place.

But I feel like everybody already has that feeling about CJ. I might be misreading it though, AJ. Yeah, I mean, they probably just want to make sure if, like, if it's Carolina and they're pretty sure they're going to take him, number one, they just want to spend as much time as they possibly can around him and anyone else they're considering if there's, you know, any red flags or whatever pop up. But that's the thing.

No matter how there's guys that can spin it every single year. How do you know this guy is going to transition to the next level and be a star, be your franchise guy? It's just there's no science. It's all – yeah, there's luck involved. It's crazy how it works. Well, there's the Goldman standard, obviously, a test that has come out over the last –

but I think the brain is the biggest part that they're trying to figure out. So I wonder if at a pro day with how many people there are, some people don't view it as a way to necessarily get in there. But I will say the Carolina Panthers having their owner there, head coach, senior consultant, quarterback coach, all in a presence. That was a statement. There was a reason for that. Was that to show CJ like, hey, we're invested?

We're heavily invested? Was that to show the world we're heavily invested in CJ? And what will it look like at Bryce Young's pro day? I guess we'll find out literally in moments. And to all your points, like, obviously the combine was here, and CJ threw here. They could be like, yeah, how many times do we have to see this guy throw? He can fucking throw.

He's really good. Yeah, and the other thing, too, with them trading up to one. Like, the owner, I didn't think about that. Him being there is that big of a deal. He probably wants to know, like, like hey i just gave away my best player that was on my roster going into the off season with dj moore and i mortgaged the entire future on this guy like i at least want to see him because he wasn't here for the combat do they do dinners and shit at these pro days like what what are the meetings like yeah there's videos there's there's pictures guys have tweeted out

having dinner with coaches and stuff so that's probably a big deal for the owner yeah okay let's go do dinner with this guy that i'm potentially going to invest millions of dollars in. Tomlin was having dinner at Jeff Ruby's where you went before game day with a couple of the linemen from Ohio State. With both tackles in the center. Yeah, we're getting the big boys. Let's go, baby. Did they? Shout out to the offensive line.

Look at Tomlin chilling. I don't know if that's the same table we were at at Ruby's. You think it was? No. Yeah, it was. That's a back-of-the-room deal. Oh, we were at at rubies you think it was no yeah it was like that's a back little room deal oh we were not in there yeah it's like the buckeye room they call it oh the buckeye room gotta be forward that's that room i don't know if you saw it general bob uh alice cooper stopped by general bob's birthday dinner uh in that room actually of course of course i have seen that and

we all have seen alice cooper show at General Bob Carpenter's birthday in that Buckeye room at Jeff Ruby's. I don't know if we're in there. I do know that I was with Kirk Herbstreet, and we ordered three Herbstreet rolls. Boom. And they were delicious. Do you remember how delightful those Herbstreet rolls were?

I think there's a Herbstreet steak, too, as well. Oh, this fucking guy. This guy's got a whole menu out there. He's got a Hyde Park, a nice steakhouse. There's a Herb Street Steak there as well. Legend. Unreal. Absolute legend.

But I think those dinners are like a very vital thing for some particular people. I would assume the owners because that's like a happy hour situation. Let's have some food. How's this person eat? What do they order? Like there's probably some people that are like, all right, let me see how this human is as an operator in public. See how he treats the waiters and everyone else as well.

Like, that's a big thing you want to see. Reaction whenever you walk into a restaurant of person with people. You know, like there's so many little things that can pop up that you can get a glimpse at the human whenever you're out and about at a place, you know, that's a little bit less structured and scripted. So maybe that's why the Panthers were there.

But I enjoy the fact that that's getting utilized to kind of figure out if a guy's a guy or not. I also want to know how the dinner works because last year Tomlin and the Steelers got to have dinner every night with whoever the top quarterback was, whatever pro day they were getting. Like does Tomlin, because he's been a coach for 18 years or whatever, have first pick of the players he wants to go to dinner with the night before over the other coaches and teams?

Yeah, you got to get in ahead of time. Like those people that schedule their trips like nine months out. So they have all the amenities already taken whenever you get there. I'm quite sure the agents are taking care of that. These agents know like ballpark range where the guys are getting picked. Like I'm not going, getting picked. I'm not going to eat with the Steelers if they are the

last pick of the draft and I expect it to go top five and the Colts have the number three pick. I'm going to go eat with the top five teams. I know y'all like me, but that don't make sense for me.

Yeah, bad business. Waste of time. Bad time management. There was a player that, yeah, so Andrew was supposed to go number one. Yep. You know, to the Colts. But it was a question. Is he going to be RG3?

Yeah. Is he going to be Andrew Luck? For six years since his high school days, it was Andrew Luck. He's going to be the number one overall pick. Andrew Luck's going to be the number one overall pick. Andrew Luck's going to be the number one overall pick. We get to the time. There was a whole, people thought we sucked for luck. Remember, suck for luck campaign was like out there.

Obviously, we did not, players did not want to put shit on film, but that was like a narrative. And then before the draft, they're like, will the Colts take RG3? It's like, what the fuck happened for the last 10 years and last season and everything like that? I was so confused i was just we like hey rg3 we know like hey you're your thing but like as a player in the locker room i'm like what do we even what what could have changed you know what could have possibly changed so andrew

was in on his visit i see him or whatever and i'm like what do you got next uh he goes i gotta go to washington he said number two like why the fuck are you going over why he's like oh i gotta go meet uh you know the front office and he was like just taking it as a professional i was so flustered i was like so is there a chance we're not like have you not been told yet like what do we what do we even talk like do you think the guys know when do they find out when did you find out you were going to go five did you know you had a chance you were going to go there when do you think these you find out you were going to go five? Did you know you had a chance you were going to go there? When do you think these guys find out beforehand? Well, when you're the number one pick, a lot of times they have the deal already done before they draft him.

Like they've already started working on the contract back in the day. I think Baker was like that. Didn't they like have a deal already? I don't know if it was Baker. Yeah, because it was him and Sam Donner, right? Yeah. How about you? Did you know you were going to end up at Tennessee?

And did they tell you that? Coach Fisher told me, he's like, if you're there at five, you're not going to pass. I mean, if you're there at six, you ain't going to pass six. AJ almost got drafted by Sean Payton at two. At two, but instead it was Mario Williams drafted instead of Reggie Bush to the Houston Texans because they had to tackle Peyton Manning. Reggie didn't have any sacks in college. None.

Charlie Casserly took Mario Williams, and Sean Peyton was sitting there about to draft A.J. Hawk, and he says, fucking Reggie Bush is here? I'm going to take Reggie Bush, I guess. And then you slide all the way. Oh, it's a fly. Yikes. Oh, my God, disgusting.

What a terrible night in the green room for A.J. In that suit, too. I got to meet with Jeff Fisher and the Titans. We had the third pick that year. That's when they took Vince Young. I got to meet Jeff Fisher and take a visit to Tennessee. And I walked into his office. He had his boots up on the desk.

He's sitting there, and he's like, yeah, well, we're taking a quarterback. So I'm just telling you, I just want to be honest with you. But I appreciate you coming out here. What a life, man. I loved him, though, because I got to go with Dave McGinnis, the linebacker coach. Took me to a barbecue spot. Got to tour everything.

It seemed like a fun organization to play in. Hey, here's a great city that I'm definitely not playing in. Tennessee's cool. Could have spent this day doing literally anything else, but hey, great day. Get a little barbecue. I like Nashville. You would have bought raw land back then there. Oh, man.

Yeah, it wasn't blowing up yet. All right, let's talk about raw land. Let's talk about a situation that is obviously brewing in Green Bay and in the New York Jets facility in New Jersey, I do believe. So that trade is obviously, in our eyes, going to happen. Everybody is just assuming that a trade is going to happen between the Green Bay Packers and the New York Jets for Aaron Rodgers to be a New York Jet,

be their starting quarterback next year, although it hasn't been finalized as of this moment. We assume it's going to be draft night. Could happen any time, though. All lives would be better if the deal got done earlier. The New York Jets have already made moves to acquire more draft capital to potentially lower the deal into getting finished.

Optically, that's what it looks like. Doing top five lists on the AFC, including air. Boom. That's where we're at right now. Now, Jeff Darlington, who can spin a fucking thing. He was a server at one point because he can spin shit on his finger. We saw it live this morning. Seat cushion.

He spun a little thing. Then he spun a little bigger thing. Then he spun a little bigger thing. Was he in the circus or something? No, I think it was just a server. I think those servers, whenever you're at a place and you're not doing anything, you're fucking bored. There's a lot of just fucking around.

There's been a lot of servers that I've met that have that ability. Every time they do it, it is a crowd pleaser. Oh, yeah. It is a crowd pleaser. Cool. It's like a circus act happening right in front of your fucking eyes while everybody's incredibly intoxicated at a party. It's like, holy shit, this guy's got superpowers. And then you try to do it and it ain't happening.

It's not something you're going to learn in like four minutes. And how long are you going to try, you know, whenever you're at a social gathering and intoxicated? Probably about 30 seconds. Right. They master it, though. Oh, yeah. They're crushed. It is a weapon.

If you're a young, I would recommend figuring that one out. Always hits at a party. Always hits. Darlington did it this morning on Get Up. Darlington also said that. I thought that was going to be him spinning. Me too. I thought we had a video.

No way. In my head, I was running. Should we run this? We're going to be him spinning. Me too. I thought we had a video. No way. In my head, I was running, should we run this? We're going to get a strike. There was an equation happening in my head for how much it was going to cost versus what the pop was going to be out of it. The little pros and cons situation. But Darlington spins some shit on Get Up This Morning and then spins a conversation back into the convo about Odell Beckham Jr.

Here's Jeff Darlington on Get Up This Morning. So they got a receiver. Is OBJ still a possibility? Oh, yes. Oh, all right. And that's the most important thing I think about this conversation is the fact that just because you see this wide receiver room continuing to shift does not mean that they are done work.

We should very much consider Odell Beckham Jr. still on the table as an option for the New York Jets. In fact, we can go even further to say that both sides would still like to see this done. Financials still in the way of actually finalizing this thing, but I still think that Odell Beckham Jr. will wind up with the New York Jets. Wow. Okay, so Darlington's been around a long time. That is a, hey, he's going to the Jets.

This sounds like an Aaron Rodgers type thing. Like both sides plan on getting the deal done. The next step is Odell Beckham Jr., McColl Hardman, Alan Lazard, Garrett Wilson, Brees Hall is back in the backfield, and Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. The Jets are fucking working right now. AJ, your thoughts on hearing that about OBJ,

which we kind of linked, right, because Sauce Gardner alluded to package deals happening if Aaron comes on his Twitch stream alongside Garrett and Brees Hall while they were burning the cheese head. And Aaron's list. And then there was a FaceTime the next day. Sauce was talking to OBJ before his workout. And then Diana Rossini got information of a list of players that were obviously

talked about between Aaron and the Jets. She said it was a demand list. Aaron said that was not the case at all, but there was certainly conversation about a lot of players and Odo Beckham Jr.'s name was on there. So it's a lot of smoke here that OBJ is going to the Jets. And it seems like it's kind of come back into the conversation cycle because Darlington said it's going to happen. How do you feel? Holy shit. Look at this weapon. Look at this weaponry that Aaron potentially has in New Jersey, New York area. Holy fuck.

Before they've signed anybody else, before they've done any of this, they still had a very explosive offense, I feel like. The fact that they're doing this, making all these moves, Brees Hall is going to be healthy again. The guy is an absolute stud. It would make sense. Yeah, and didn't Aaron even say on here after he said, obviously I did not make a demand list, but he said, who wouldn't want to play with Odell Beckham Jr.? Yeah, of course. Yeah, and didn't Aaron even say on here after he said, obviously I did not make a demand list,

but he said, who wouldn't want to play with Odell Beckham Jr.? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'd love to. Like, yeah, sounds great. And it sounds like whatever Darlington, whoever he's talking to, sounds like they've pretty much agreed to a deal, and now they're just trying to come up with the numbers. Figure out the financials.

Pac, what does this do for an offense? Odell still got it? Yeah, I think Odell still got it. But what does this do for the division? First, it put the Patriots in dead fucking last. Come on, dude. What's up with the power? Would you bet that you're betting

that Patriots coming fourth in the division? Let's just say DeHop goes to the Bills. Could happen. Let's say Odell go to the Jets. Miami has some weapons down there. They can compete. It leaves nothing for the Patriots.

Oh, no. Look, I mean, absolutely. Dead last. In the division, that's what you're saying. We're in a better situation this year than last year. We won eight games. And, you know, let's just say. Won eight games.

Let's just say Tua gets slammed to the ground by Vaughn Miller. Whoa, don't say that. You're going to end up on a mountain. Yeah, I'll end up on the mountain, but those people who are making those mountains, they're wondering the same thing. It is interesting, though. The AFC East has all of a sudden gotten very popular, very big-named, and very

talent-riddled. Yeah, top-heavy. All over the place. The Jets getting into the game. The Jets having the second best odds to win the division is crazy. Congrats to Jets fans. Unreal. You know our guy Green, he was sent our T's and P's to. He had a heart procedure.

Yeah. Ablation. Yes. What's that mean, AJ? What's that mean? Honestly, I don't know. Me neither. Sounds serious, though.

Yeah. And I didn't even know it was happening. I don't think any of us did until his wife, Stacey, told everybody that he's in recovery or whatever, and then put out what's going on. Greeny, hey! We love you, pal. Miss you, Greeny. How about his heart, though, actually getting so potentially worked up here? Because he

is on, you know, the eve of this Jets team being relevant, notable, and potentially very fucking good. And having everything that you need to be a goodets team being relevant, notable, and potentially very fucking good, and having everything that you need to be a good football team in 2023. Now, two of those deals are not completed. It's all just assumed, which is wild

in the NFL, because you never know what could take place. But that's a good time to be a Jets fan. We're happy for them, aren't we, Ty? Ty, aren't we happy for those Jets fans? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like I said, I've come to terms with this weeks ago, so I'm not crying over spilled milk anymore. It is what it is. And it would also be pretty cool because it does seem like Rodgers and Odell

have kind of been two ships passing in the night for quite some time right now. Like, you know, he's been available a couple different times. And, like, the Packers have kind of always been in on him. But they were never going to pay him what he was owed and what he deserved. So, like, it was just never going to happen. And it will be really, really cool to watch those guys play together if this does end up happening. He, Odell Beckham Jr., said, I don't know who said $20 million.

What are we talking about? That's what he said. It's a lot of money. I think that's what he said, right? He said, I'm just not taking, I mean, what I was offered. I'm not taking four. Come on now, in between, right? Four?

Yeah. Four and 15. Yeah, let's go in between here. I bet the whole pot. Let's go ahead and get that whole thing. That is something that I think was a narrative that was being built so that fan bases wouldn't expect Odell Beckham Jr. to come to their team because he would be too expensive.

He came out and said that is not the case. Then there was reports that he did ask that at one point, and then now his sense changed. It's like, well, that's business. Who cares if he asks that? What do you mean? Of course, you've got to start high. Bingo, yeah.

I was asked by a platform, so what are you thinking for? And it was a long time. $400 million a year, I think. Let's start there. Let's start at $500 million. I am not going to go ahead and be the one that puts the number on this, but like that's a tactic that could easily be used in negotiation just to kind of kick the ball, punt the ball back into the other place, just to see where they're at, to see if it's a reality,

if you're thinking about it or if you're even in the same ballpark. So maybe it's that, but that's what negotiating is. Like that's how, that's literally how it works out. So people holding out against him, he was asking for 20 at some point it's like should ask for fucking 30 yeah what are we even what are we even talking about here because i'll tell you what the nfl's negotiators they're gonna whittle that on down yeah they are gonna whittle that on down if you want to get a deal done that's just kind of how it goes well and like no disrespect to like any of these free agent receivers that have been signed this year and like i know odell has had injury history

and everything but like he's in a different class than the guys who have been getting paid this offseason and yeah they're younger and a lot of them haven't had you know torn acls multiple or whatever but like dude it's super bowl he's gonna be the mvp exactly the last time we seen him play it's a long time ago and injuries injuries can change everything, and father time does obviously do that. And will he play a full season? I don't think any team's expecting 17 games out of Odell Beckham Jr. He's a fucking Ferrari, okay? There's some times where a Ferrari runs over a pothole,

and all of a sudden there's like a little tweak, and it's like, well, we can't drive it every single day. Like, I think it's a very expected thing. Like, okay, we get 13, 14 good regular season games out of Odell Beckham Jr. And then when the playoffs come around, Odell is going to be Odell. Like, that's why teams are loading up on weapons because it's damn near impossible to keep everybody healthy for a 17-game season at a position that's going to take hits naturally and also very high speed.

So, like, muscles and joints. You're talking about shit getting kind of tweaked. So I think like, I still think Odell got, this is a different conversation than the Cam Newton conversation. It's a vastly different conversation than Cam Newton. I guess people can point out like how he didn't have success in Cleveland or whatever. It's like, as soon as he got to LA, he scored a touchdown every fucking game. Every fucking game he scored a touchdown.

His hands are the size of this fucking computer somehow. He's a remarkable talent. And he's also saying, like, I'm not taking $4 million. Like, $6 million, $7 million, $8 million bucks for – $10. $10 million bucks for – that's a running back franchise. Yeah, right. Like, that is very feasible, I think, for a lot of people. And if he goes to a team

that has a chance in a big market, that OBJ fever is going to be loud. It's going to be all the way back. Just for the sake of argument, let's say he does go to New York. The way they've been loading up to if everything goes like it should and Rodgers goes there, etc. They'd probably be okay.

If you need to take 10 weeks off, that's fine. Come back, play week 11, be ready for the playoffs. Like, hey, if you need to take 10 weeks off, that's fine. Come back, play week 11, be ready for the playoffs. We don't need you to be out there for 17 games. Yeah, and I think that's a perfect fit for him, though. That way, work management, he don't have to carry the whole load. The Jets are stacked right now. And the running back they have, he's getting the ball 25 times a game.

Aaron's not scared to do that either. If you start looking up Aaron's numbers, like when was the last time he threw for 400 yards? He enjoys the chess. Play action bombs are a big part of his.

Embraces a guy. But think about having Gary Wilson having OBJ in the room. Like just little things, like out of breaks, like, hey, set up for this. I think it's a bonus for everybody. All parties are happy to hear they want to get a deal done. You're happy to hear the Patriots are going to be dead last in the division.

Sounds like. Just my buddy over here, he's been talking about the Patriots. They're not making any moves. That's my point. They need a receiver. Can they score points? Can the Patriots score points? Right. They need a receiver. Can they score points? Can the Patriots score points? Right. They need a receiver.

Well, they have an OC this year, so that'll help. Yeah, we have an OC. We've added on the offense. We've added Gusecki, who we're not going to use as a tight end. He's going to be our number one receiver on the outside. That's just the reality. So many gritty Guseckis. Yeah, so a ton of Gusecki gritties.

Gritty Guseckis, of course. Hunter Henry's still in the middle. It's gritty Gusecki City upies. Gritty Guseckis, of course. Hunter Henry's still in the middle. It's gritty Gusecki city up there. Boom. This year. And who's the mayor? Mac Jones. You're goddamn right.

Never get Josh Smith. Who's the quarterback right now, you know? Mac Jones. You sure? Who? Is Bailey Zappi there? Who, Mac Jones? Bailey Zappi.

Hey, hold on. What happened? I heard a quote that there was. Yeah, from McCourty. Yeah. Because Mac Jones is trying to come back from ankle surgery without getting the ankle tightrope surgery. He's trying to come back in three weeks, and he just wasn't healthy.

So they threw him out there. The boys were like, pal, guy. Yeah, why would we put you out there when we just won two games and blowouts with Zappy? So obviously, yeah, there was something going on. I mean, that would never get said about Andrew Luck whenever he was coming back from injuries or whatever. It was like, yeah, just fucking roll him out there 30% if he wants to play.

No, never. but we didn't cut Tom Brady to draft Mac Jones, but at the same time, when you look, we offered Tom Brady $60 million. He said, no, that's a much different situation, but when you look at what happened with New England last year, it's impossible not to say a ton of it had to do with Patricia and

Judge. I mean, there was a quote that Mac Jones would ask what to do if, or at least at least have some sort of play audible if they're bringing or showing some sort of pressure. And the coach literally said, we'll get to that when we see it in a fucking game. So he wouldn't even give him any game plan.

And this is a kid who comes from Alabama. He's had a complicated offense his entire career. McDaniels, his rookie year, he comes in, he beats out your guy Cam Newton because he picked it up faster and he knew how to attack the defense. Listen, don't tell us this. You need to tell these free agents. I need to tell you guys this

because Mac Jones sucked last year. Definitely. I just wanted to hear you say that. Yeah, was not good. I mean, look, you can't argue with obviously stats are one thing versus the game. When you watch the game, he was not good. He lost games. Did he flash, though? Did he flash at you at all to where he made plays despite maybe what the coaching was?

Yeah, I mean, he had. But even in the eight games, it's like, oh, yeah, well, he played really well against, you know, the Jets. The Jets fucking suck. Like, we beat the Jets twice. One of the games. Was that past tense you were speaking or present? Present because I love Aaron Rodgers. The Jets suck.

So when you look at some of the wins that Mac had, they weren't great. But then you look at games like, you guys remember that Thanksgiving game against the Vikings? Going into that game, it was Vikings are going to kill the Patriots. I think it was an eight-point spread. And Mac Jones came out slinging it. The last game of the season against the Bills where Naeem Hines had two kickoff return touchdowns, Mac Jones started the game 17 for 17 with 150 yards and three touchdowns. Hey, Matt Patricia, not bad.

That's right. Oh, and those plays. That's the biggest problem. He figured it out. And then they get rid of him. He's figured out offensive football. Get this guy the fuck out of here. No, he never figured out offensive football.

There were just times where he was like, okay, we've got to do everything, so we're going to be prepared for everything, versus times where there was no point to put any effort into the offense. All right, well, good luck to you guys. You sure were happy for me. Yeah, post-Everton. You guys are underdog, underdog, underdog. Underdog's not good, too.

Hold on. I don't know if you guys are, too. When's the last time definitely our three teams are finished or odds on worst in the division? Yeah, this started happening last year. Oh, boy. We started talking about this, how the show is vastly different whenever all of our teams suck. Last time.

It's just a different show, dude. It was a different show. We had a hell of a run there for a bit. We were having, you know, everybody was kind of doing their thing. Everybody was kind of at least good and in it. This past season, we stared down a, well, we're going fishing. We're going to be a top five pick. You guys want to come down

last? Right in the middle. You guys, oh, it's a building year. It's a building year. you guys want to come down right in the middle you guys oh it's building here it's building here you guys well maybe you know it was different year for us this past year i'd say that's what no one's talking about the patriots it's weird that nobody even mentions the patriots anymore how could you i mean he's gone yeah how why would you mention him i mean is that gonna happen to the Packers when Aaron leaves? Is it going to be like, oh, we don't really hear much about him? ESPN, take this for however you want to take it. They stopped sending somebody like a camera to Indianapolis, like locker room. Oh. Yeah.

That's not going to happen with them. Look at who is in the division for New England. And then is there a Josh Allen type quarterback? I'm not talking about for New England because New England has Bill Belichick. I'm talking about the NFC North. Is there a Josh Allen type quarterback who's going to run away with the NFC North? Kirk Cousins. He followed us on Twitter there. Kirk Cousins.

Love Kirk O'Chain. He's not Josh Allen. What are you doing? What was that all about? Kirk Cousins cannot run away with the division. Hey, that's a new Kirk Cousins, new Vikings over there. They had a similar outcome to the playoffs with that team, with Kevin O'Connell.

That is crazy, though. Plus 4-10 in the division. Not even necessarily that. You can understand that after you lose Rodgers. The Vikings being that big of a gap between the Vikings and the Lions surprises me. Well, Jared Goff is a dog. He's got to play in the Super Bowl. They know that they've being that big of a gap between the Vikings and the Lions surprises me. Well, Jared Goff is a dog.

He got played in the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? They know that they got a guy that can go ahead and do it. We appreciate all those teams, and we hope every player has a successful season. But with that being said, there's a chance people just drift off into irrelevance for a long, long time.

And over here in Indianapolis, us Colts fans are very scared of it. And I don't know if green bay stared it down yet but if jordan love is not a guy it's a different life aj it is a different life did people know did the public know that aaron was lighting you guys up in practice or was that only you guys that knew that no social media i mean they may have i'm sure they heard like we had made comments over the time that they ever asked about it, but I doubt a whole lot.

Would we know if Jordan Love was lighting it up in practice? Do you guys think? Different era. We don't know, dude. Social media, I don't know how it's treated. It is a different time. We would know. I don't know.

I just think because they have so little game reps of Jordan Love, they don't really know what they have. So Aaron had little game reps too, but you still don't know in practice. They were talking about Patrick Mahomes whenever he was at the Chiefs. He played the last game of the season because they had already locked up a home field advantage to the playoffs. That's how good Alex Smith and the Chiefs were playing.

They had locked. They had a bye. We're already in. Don't have to play this week. They rest him, put Patrick Mahomes in. Our source says, told us that the entire locker room was like wait until the fucking world gets to see what this guy does and he sliced and diced the broncos in that game like he was Patrick Mahomes and then they go into the offseason and they let go of Alex Smith for this guy that

didn't win in college and us as idiots not in Kansas City we're like Alex Smith finally played his fucking best football Andy Reid has this massive monkey on his back about not being able to go ahead and win it. Why in the world would you get rid of this fucking quarterback who's been there, done that with everything? Seemed to be both Andy Reid and him are seasoned for the moment. This is the

perfect time. Here we go. Get Alex Smith the fuck out of here. Send him to Washington. We got this new guy in there. It's like, here we go. Andy Reid self-sabotage. going to do the whole thing again. This is the way it is. And then a Kansas City Chiefs fan called into our show and said, Patrick Mahomes is going to be the MVP. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

So then I started sending text messages to some people I knew that were on the Chiefs, and they're like, this guy is the truth or whatever. They knew in practice immediately upon watching him what he was going to do and in the game when he got in there so i guess they have that moment with the eagles where jordan love got in there and he did it we haven't heard from practice whether or not he slices and dices but if you're looking from a team making a decision standpoint it's like we saw him in a game against a team that is very fucking good and he wasn't scared and delivered in the whole thing so maybe that's a part of it.

But it is interesting, the behind-the-scenes stuff, if we haven't heard it yet. Yeah, because it's eerily similar. AJ mentioned that Cowboys game. And we'll see what happens with Jordan Love. I still remember where I was at when I was watching that Cowboys game. I'm pretty sure it was on a Thursday night. And it was my junior year of high school. Because it was kind of that special.

Favre was an Ironman. And same deal with Aaron when, you know, when he, like, he's been hurt a couple times. But, like, those guys were playing every snap. Like, there was no, like, oh, okay, like, the kid's going to go in. We'll see how good he is. Like, Favre got knocked out of that game against the Cowboys. And, like, that's kind of how special it was is because I still remember where I was at. Like, what I was eating. It's like, oh, we're going to be just fine.

Like, this guy is a fucking stud. If I do recall, the commentators were not kind, right? Yeah, Collinsworth kind of buried him, yeah. But, yeah, if I remember. The coaches talked about it, though. They've mentioned it since then. Like, walking off the field that night, they knew, like, hey, we're going to be okay.

Yeah, I couldn't even imagine watching a guy slicing dice in practice and then he gets a chance to go into a game and just fucking murders. It's like, good for you, pal. Just been sitting around. Everybody's been booing your ass basically since you got here. Even the fans have been booing you since you got here. And then you're going to go on a run. I wish I would have told him that night.

Hey, listen, what's going to happen to you? You're going to go on this incredible run. Four-time MVP. You're going to win a Super Bowl. Crush. You're going to go down in the jungle. You're going to try Ayahuasca. You're going to go on this incredible run, four-time MVP. You're going to win a Super Bowl. Crush. You're going to go down in the jungle. You're going to try Ayahuasca. You're going to go on and win two MVPs. You're going to be the COVID MVP both seasons.

That COVID was in there. You're going to do it. And then guess what? You know what you're seeing Brett do right now? We're going to do the same fucking thing. But at least everyone's going to love me still, right? Well, you see how loud it got there. I mean, there's a chance it will.

Time will heal all wounds, and we're excited to see what happens in time and how much time it takes to happen. Speaking of time, let's take a five minute break because Shaquille O'Neal will be joining us on the other side. First time on the program. Can't wait to talk to this brilliant human being. Absolute

dog of a guy. I think he is Q-Dog, I do believe. Actual. I can't wait to talk to this guy. Bryce Young is throwing down at the Alabama Pro Day. He just completed an out. We've seen it live right here.

Just completed an out. Way, way. Oh, right on the money. Tight end and a seam there. He's got number one. Is he calling a cadence, Ty? He's in shotgun right now. Wait, where is that?

Where is that? A little delayed on the snap there. Him and the equipment manager obviously got to get on better terms. I mean, he's just slinging it around the yard. Unbelievable. This is what the pro day is. Tepper, the owner of the Panthers, is also here. So it's like the Carolina Panthers are making their trip around.

I wonder if Frank Reich this time will be like, we'll find a court or a golf course whenever you get down to Charlotte, as opposed to Josh McCown. Josh McCown's on Team CJ Stroud, maybe. Big time. Could be. Looks like it. Jim Caldwell's going to come in.

Hey, I've been telling him. I like Will Evans. Yeah, they're at the Kentucky Pro Day. The man that's going to be joining us here in moments is like maybe the biggest celebrity in the history. Yeah. One of one. Literally. Literally known by everybody.

Hasn't been able to have a moment to himself in public in probably what? 34 years, 40 years. Yeah, since he was like 14. Teenager, yeah. Think about being that fucking big. Everywhere you walk, right? It's just like, well, who's that? Oh, that's Shaq.

Everywhere he has ever gone in public ever for the last 30 years probably. How has he handled it? Oh, I don't know. Just became a fucking billionaire gracefully. Everybody loves him. And has been able to work with every company on earth and have success at it. an absolute dog in the community and a man who's still not on i didn't

know how long i was going to be able to go yeah i don't know how long it was pretty good yeah i mean he has a lot of you know what i mean he has a lot of accolades i believe he'll be joining us momentarily when he does we will talk about it let's chit chat real quickly about uh foster moreau who got a physical whenever he was in the middle of his free agency with the New Orleans Saints, I believe. The reason why this is a big deal is because some of these free agency physicals can, you know, turn up some things that are very serious. The New Orleans Saints medical organization has been a part of a few of these situations that have been huge in saving people's lives. John Doerenbos, former long snapper of the Philadelphia Eagles,

also a magician on America's Got Talent and on the Ellen DeGeneres Show. That's right. Of course. He gets traded from the Eagles to the Saints, or he's going to sign with the Saints. They do the physical on him. Like, hey, John, good to see you.

Can't wait to have you on the team. They check him out. Boom, you have to have heart surgery right now. One part of his heart was doing something he wasn't supposed to do. They found out in the test you have to have heart surgery right now. One part of his heart was doing something it wasn't supposed to do. They found out in the test, need to get a surgery right now. He was laid up for like nine months after that surgery. Very serious.

Guy would have died. They're saying like potentially would have died. Now Foster Moreau was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma after a routine physical was conducted by the New Orleans Saints. And I believe this is going to have a happy ending with where modern science is. But Foster Moreau is going through it. And shout out to the physical saving a life. That should remind a lot of us, get your shit checked out, AJ.

Yeah, unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, believe me, it made me think about it. Because the more you learn about cancer and everything is if they catch it early, they can take care of it. You don't let it get too big and grow and get into your organs and everything. So credit to them for finding it. But, man, it had to be a scary moment. Man, they can take care of it. You don't let it get too big and grow and get into your organs and everything. So credit to them for finding it. But, man, it had to be a scary moment. Man, you're just going down there.

You've got a new home. You've got a new team. You can't even tell. Here we go. Everything's taking place. And they're like, hey, just real quick, need to get you to a hospital right now. Right now. Cancer.

Right now. Chuck Pagano, this happened to. Yeah. First time being a head coach. First year as a head coach for the Indianapolis Colts. We had an early bye week, like week five or something. But for the last week or two before that, he was getting bruised easily and had some stuff. His wife forces him to go to the hospital at the beginning of the bye week.

And they go, yeah, you're not leaving, actually. We have surgery on you in like an hour and a half right now, actually. You're getting strapped in. He was just going in the hospital to figure out, oh, maybe I'm iron deficient. You know, maybe there's something going on. And then all of a sudden they're like no pal you have leukemia like you are we need to get this figured out immediately shout out to the doctors and shout out to the treatments that are able to get people back and shout out to the physicals like getting it taken care of i think it's a big deal yeah um eric berry is another guy who went through this. I had a chance to play against him.

Didn't play against him, but I know him as a person. I'm friends with him, but he went through the same thing with his cancer. And, hey, man, we got to take care of ourselves. You know, we only get one life. Legit. And then we also got to find out if we're, you know, I think a lot of people are scared to go to doctors and get checked out because you don't want bad news. It's like if they get the bad news, though, there's a chance that we can, you know what I mean?

There's a chance. And I think this Foster Moreau story is a beautiful one about them being able to catch it. Hey, Godspeed kicking that ass, Foster. Good luck. See you on the other side, pal. Joining us now is a man who might be the largest celebrity in the history of Earth. And I'm not just talking about his size obviously everybody does that but could you imagine a time when this man walks in

public that bunch of motherfuckers don't say holy shit that's shaquille o'neal that has been his life for probably the last 30 35 years he's handled it perfectly this man is a mastermind whenever it comes to business obviously on the court he's the most dominant player of all time in the history of basketball. Four-time champion of the world. Shaquille O'Neal, dude. Yeah! Hello.

Is Pac-Man there? Hell yeah. What's up? What's up, big fella? Pac-Man, you know the statue of limitations is up. I can tell the story now. Can I tell it is up. I can tell the story now. Can I tell it? Yeah, you can tell the story now.

Hell yeah, Shaq. Welcome to the show. Thank you, Pac. This is great news. Okay, so remember when Pac-Man had that altercation in the airport? He was really sticking up for me. Pat, I just want to say thank you for always being my bodyguard. And you whooped that dude ass because he was disrespecting me.

And nobody knows this story, but I appreciate you very much. I appreciate you. I've been keeping this secret. I ain't want everybody to know our business. Hold on. This is Atlanta Airport chicken in hand. Motherfucker. That fight that we both.

Yes. That was the stick up for Shaq? Yes. Yes. What do you say, Shaq? Guy said something to you? What happened? I don't know. Pat, man, just say, hey, man, you don't talk for Shaq? Yes. Yes. What did he say, Shaq? Guy said something to you? What happened? I don't know.

Pac-Man just said, hey, man, you don't talk to Shaq like that. And I just had to get on my plane. And the next thing I know, Pac-Man put them paws on me. I got to take care of big Philly. That is amazing. Pac-Man is an incredible friend. You're fucking awesome. Yes, he is.

You're an awesome dude. Let's talk about that because I alluded to it and this person said something to you because you are a person, obviously. And anytime you're anywhere, everybody notices you. I got a chance to go to Japan with Anthony Costanzo. He's 6'7 tackle. Literally everywhere

he goes, people just look and they go, that big fucking guy has to be something. When you walk into a place looking as cool as you look, I assume this has been your whole life, just everywhere you go, that big fucking guy has to be something. When you walk into a place looking as cool as you look, I assume this has been your whole life, just everywhere you go, you get zero privacy, and you've just kind of learned to accept that? Is that kind of what life is? Yeah, it kind of goes with the stigma of being a professional athlete,

a.k.a. a celebrity. But, you know, I'm always trying to represent the youth, represent myself, represent my family. So most of the times I know how to do and say the right thing represent myself, represent my family. Most of the times, I know how to do and say the right thing and just stay out of trouble. I've always had the ability to stop time and say, okay, if I punch this dude

in the face, it'll probably go viral. My mom's not going to like this. But my main man, Pac-Man, was there that day. He put them paws on that boy. Hey, mom ain't going to be pissed at Pac. She's going to be pumped about Pac. That's day. He put them paws on that boy. Hey, Mama ain't going to be pissed at Pac. She's going to be pumped about Pac. That's good.

That sounds like a win for everybody. AJ, go ahead. Shaq, you had a quote you said in an interview years ago, and obviously you have a ton of famous ones, but you said something about where my thought process begins were normal humans' apexes. And I just want to say, did you come up with that on the spot do you still say it because i actually steal it and use it in real life still sometimes always give you credit though how'd it be adrian another confession is i wasn't really born i was found on

the train a lot of people think i'm an alien and a lot of times these thoughts just come to me i'll just go outside and these thoughts just come to me. I realized that in order to be the best or to be perceived as the best, you have to have forward thinking. So I just, you know, growing up in a drill sergeant environment, my dad wasn't, you know, satisfied with good enough. We had to be damn near perfect. So, you know, whenever I scored 30 points and, you know, somebody said, Oh, he had a dominant game. I said, no, you missed 12 free throws.

You should have had 42 points. You should have did this. You should have did that. I was always trying to, you know, better myself. I think that documentary that you sat down with HBO for, I think is a beautiful depiction of that. I think we all enjoyed getting to learn about one of the greatest athletes of all time and also greatest businessmen of all time. When did you know that like entrepreneurialism and like marketing and how you can utilize who you are as a just stud? You're a fucking dog, dude. You are at everything. How did you know? And when did you know the business side was something you

also wanted to get involved in? Because, I mean, you've sold printers. What? Pizza. What? Icy hot. What? Insurance with a cartoon. What?

I mean, you have a prolific Rolodex of business. Like, when did you know that was going to be the case? Because it's inspiring to all of us. I want to let you know that. I didn't hear what you said. Could you repeat all the stuff that I said? I think there's like 10 more, too. I don't think I listed off all of them.

Go ahead. One more time. I think it was printers. What? Pizza. What? What? I think it was insurance with a cartoon.

What? What? Now there's Novex Biotech GF9, which ups the human growth hormone level, 682% available now at novexbiotech.com. You are a business savant though. Like absolutely the shoes. Obviously we've all heard all the stories of like,

all your shoes are too expensive. Then you buy into companies and fuck it. We're going to try. When was that like a focus for you? And how did you know that was a gift? No, 18 years old. I meet magic Johnson and he tells me,

it's okay to be famous, but at some point you want to start learning about business. First thing I bought was the dummy's guide to starting your own business. It intrigued me a little bit and I said to myself, okay, I want to be the only big man that's doing that. But in order to be successful in that world, you know, be successful in that world, I had to be successful in the other world. So I really had to dominate and really had to win. And, you know, that's what I did.

And I stopped playing and I was getting chubby. And that's when I was introduced to Novex. You know, I was looking at another athlete who was taking some stuff. And, you know, his physique never really changed. So I started taking his stuff, and it didn't really work. So I got with Novix, and we created this for me, and I'm looking pretty good. I'm looking so good that when I saw Pac-Man at the Super Bowl,

Pac-Man said, damn, Shaq, you're looking good, boy. They're saying, hey, you're on some shit. GF9 is the name of the product. Shaq lost 5.6% body fat, all the while gaining 5.8 pounds. And let me get this right. Lost 50 pounds in one year as a 50-year-old. And then now as a 51-year-old, he's losing 41 or 40-pound goal already. You're crushing it, Diesel.

Let's fucking go, dude. Yes, thank you. Appreciate it, brother. Hey, no problem. Pac-Man obviously has a question for it, Diesel. Hell yeah. Let's fucking go, dude. Yes, thank you. Appreciate it, brother. Hey, no problem. Pac-Man obviously has a question for you, pal. Anytime, Pac-Man. Big fella, what do you do for fun? You know, some guys golf.

Some guys do other things. When are you not building a business, opening up another business, thinking about buying a team? What do you do for your spare time? I come home and I watch all my favorite shows. Right now, I'm on that BMF Heavy. I'm on that Godfather of Harlem Heavy.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I said something about Godfather of Harlem to these guys the other day. They act like they didn't know what the hell I was talking about. That's one of the best shit on TV right now. I haven't seen it. Watch American Gangster, though. I understand what is happening in Harlem. Okay?

I would like to know. I know. Hold on. I got another show. The Mayor of Kingston with Jeremy Renner. Okay. Now we're talking. Come on now.

Yeah. And I'm also on Snowfall. Yeah. I'd just like to come home and chill. Because you know what? At Pac-Man, you know, ATL getting kind of, you know, so I'd rather just go to work and come home. I don't want to have to call my bodyguard Pac-Man

to put them paws on me and start messing with me. Smell me. How about, hey, so I've known Pac since I was like 18 years old. I've done Atlanta with Pac-Man whenever I was 18, West Virginia connection, the whole thing. And there's been a lot of things that have happened since that moment till now, obviously, with the absolute lightning rod that is Adam Pac-Man Jones.

That was the first one, I think, where everybody that watched the video was like, hey, fucking right, Pac-Man got that. Yeah. Like, to hell with it. The worker at an airport starting a fight with somebody walking through, like, that is not how it goes. Y'all didn't see the whole video, bro hell with that. The worker at an airport starting a fight with somebody walking through. Like, that is not how it goes. Y'all didn't see the whole video, bro. I did.

Y'all missed when Shaq was in the video. They didn't show that part. Oh, okay. They didn't show that part. That's smart. That's a smart play. Ty has a question for you, Shaq. Yeah, Shaq.

One of my favorite things to do ever is posting the gif of you dunking on Chris Dudley and then just shoving his ass to the ground. Anytime someone's talking shit on Twitter or someone gets body bagged on Twitter, boom, just drop that in there. It's arguably the best gif ever. I'm curious from your illustrious career, you have so many moments like that.

I was just watching the clip earlier today of you talking to a local guy when you were on the Lakers talking about the refs. You saying that they're screwing up the fucking game. He tells you, you guys are on live. You tell him, hey, I don't give a shit. But just like of all that stuff

and every time someone asks you about something, what would you consider the thing that people go back to most of all the amazing stuff you've done in your career? Both of those clips you said I get talked about a lot, but the Chris Dudley-Chris clip was, if you watch it closely, when I get the ball,

I'm waiting for the double team. And I'm like, oh, you motherfuckers ain't going to double team me? You got it, okay. And so I had to just take my time and dunk, and then he was all up on me like he was playing defense. I had to, you know, hit him with the, hey, man, get off me. And then, you know, he acted like he wanted to fight. But there's a lot of clips and there's a lot of moments.

Shaq, was Phil Jackson like, I guess, how we view him from people that are fans of him and have heard all of his zen and meditation and everything? Was he what you expected when you got there and you played for him? Are you a supermodel? Because you have the sexiest jawline. Hell yeah. That's real, Shaq.

He's on his GF9, but the other stuff, I think. No, yeah, Phil was – what made Phil different is, of course, everyone knew his resume. So, you know, it's good to play for a coach you know that's been to the promised land many times. So because we respected his resume, we did everything he told us to do. He would come in with this stuff. Said he was the cousin of cannabis. Not that I know what cannabis smells like.

No, no, no. Yeah, of course. I don't know what it smells like. But no yeah of course i don't know it's not but he would come in he would come in he would have these chats y'all my y'all my y'all my y'all y'all my so like you know we have to sit there and do the chance and we meditate for our but what i realized is we did the same thing every day come in meditate walk through practice practice have our conversation with Phil. So when it comes time to, we can be in a game seven with Portland down by 15, we know not to panic.

He'd always tell us, hey, go to your place, go to your place. So we were able to go to our place in game seven. And I knew once we got one, that it was a possibility that we would get multiple championships. Yeah, win three back to back to back-to-back, which is phenomenal. It had to be so much fun. Yeah. Think about how much fun. I mean, a lot of work, obviously.

Obviously, we're not going to deny that. But in L.A., winning three straight championships had to be a fucking blast. You were on late night for all of us in the Eastern Standard Time Zone. So it was like literally the late show was the late show, and you guys were so good. And there was obviously massive conversation for portions of your existence about you're in relationship with kobe he passes away

suddenly and it is terrible for the entire sports world terrible for all of society obviously but when you go to that team and you see kobe and you meet kobe and you covered it a little bit in the dock and i know you're battling through a hip replacement i think right now right is that what this is yes it's killing me right now and you asked some of these dumb ass questions i apologize for wasting any of your rehab time or painful time but when did you know kobe was a dude was it like immediately upon seeing him you're like oh this is a guy is that something that the mama mentality like you could notice something that the mama mentality like you could notice or or how how long into it you think right away i knew that uh he wanted to be great i knew that he was very passionate about the game and i knew that if uh something was done he didn't like he would voice his opinion

kind of reminds me of pac-man pac-man and i have the same relationship we haven't always we haven't always seen eye to eye, but the respect is there. Like, hey, Pac-Man, you shouldn't do that. Motherfucker, don't call me that. You're right. So, you know, Pac-Man, my little brother, my older brother, you know, I think the respect factor is way more important than the I like

you, I love you factor. You know, we've had many conversations. I love Pac-Man. He loves me. I love Kobe. You know, we had a lot of disagreements, but if I had it all over to do again, I'd probably do it the same way because he pushed me and I pushed him and the respect was there. People always

say, oh, we didn't like each other. We didn't like each other. If you go back to the first championship, there's 15,000 people in the arena, about 100 people on the floor. I put my hand up. Who's the first person to jump on my arm? Look at it.

Look it up. You don't have to be all lovey-dovey all the time. You just have to have respect. I was like, I could talk to my brothers. I could talk to my boys in a respectful manner.

I'll never disrespect them. I'll never disrespect Pac-Man because I know Pac-Man got them hands. That's respect. I'll never disrespect Pac-Man because I know Pac-Man got them hands. It's really not disrespecting because you know how to relay something that may look disrespectful to other people, but not disrespectful to the person. I use myself for example. I'm playing shitty. myself for example um i'm playing shitty i know if you see me playing shitty the first thing you're gonna say is pack playing like shit i don't know why he's playing like that and nobody would know

our relationship but that's you getting into my head like oh damn if big fella said i'm playing like shit i might need to go back in and tighten some things up. So what looked disrespectful to some people is really not disrespectful to the athlete or the guy that's the friend to you. And that's crazy, Pac-Man. You understand that, but these youngsters don't understand that these days. You understand that,

but I can get on your experience and say, who's your favorite player? Well, it was Pac-Man, but he's playing terrible now. I'm not dissing you. I'm just sending you a subliminal message. You wouldn't get upset be like oh i'm gonna knock check out you'd be like okay shack talking that shit watch this but it's all master plan but these young these young athletes oh you're a hater you don't know what you're talking about

and i just be trying to trying to give them the answers to the test do you love doing do you love doing that on tnt obviously the show is the greatest show that's ever been put on television. But with the generational change and the way everything is now, with how everything's taken, how you have to phrase it, do you still love doing that show? Do you enjoy being like the face of the NBA still deep into retirement? Yeah, I do. I'm going to just always try to be as respectful as I can and just try to talk about what I know from my experience. If it sounds like a diss, never trying to be as respectful as I can and just try to, you know, talk about what I know from my experience.

You know, if it sounds like a diss, never trying to be personal. I'm just always trying to give a person, you know, the answer to the test because I do have the answers. You know, when it comes to the NFL and being great, Pac-Man has the answers. So when you speak, your young players should listen. If you don't want to listen, then do it your way. Hey, after watching that documentary,

you, like the LSU situation where that was the only coach that came to watch you play in Germany at the military and then your loyalty to the guy and go to LSU, it's like you've had to earn it even though you look at Shaq at the end product, you're like, the guy is the biggest, most athletic human of all time

and most dominant player of all time. He's like, hasn't always been viewed that way, though. So, like, I feel like you've had to experience life as almost everybody in basketball, from the very top all the way down to the very bottom. You're a great mouthpiece for the league. They're lucky to have you. Last question here as you get back to your rehab.

Connor has it for you. Yeah, Shaq, speaking of that, a lot of times... No, no, I don't want to talk to you. I want to talk to the dude in the fucking cowboy hat. Tone Diggs. He has a gambling show every day he's preparing for right now. Tone loves you too. Shaq, I appreciate that.

You guys are on the set. We just talked about the show. You ever say anything just to see if you get Ernie off of his game? I don't like that question. Back to the other guy. Connor is this guy in the other hat. Actually, you know what? You guys may think Charles and I are the funniest.

Ernie Johnson is the funniest guy on the set. Don't let Ernie fool you. Ernie Johnson is the funniest guy on the set. Trust me on that. Something to think about here as we're watching Ernie work. He is a master point guard up there. Yes, he is. He really is.

I love Ernie. Connor, I don't know, dude. I don't know either. I think you're just fuck it, you know. Good run. Great to talk to Shaq. All right, Shaq, great having you, man.'t know, dude. I don't know either. I figured just fuck it, you know. Good run. Great to talk to Shaq. All right. Shaq, great having you, man.

Appreciate you coming on. How's the hip? How many days out are we? I just got it done last week, so I'm all right. Is it full replacement? What is it? Yeah, replacement. Yeah.

Okay, with your size and how much you ran and everything like that, you would assume that this type of stuff would happen. Is this the first time a full replacement has happened on a body part, or are you just expecting more? No, what happened was at the Super Bowl, I tried to disrespect Pac-Man, and he asked me if I played football in high school. I told him I did, so I ran a little route, and that motherfucker came around the corner and tackled me

and tackled me to some chairs, And I had to get the surgery. Don't tell me anything else, Pac-Man. I ain't going to tell nobody, B-Phillip. Yeah, well, didn't we see you fall off a ring at AEW? Oh, yeah. Dude, I thought you broke every bone in your body. I fell back down to that table. The table, but the table was nothing.

You went straight through the table right to cement. What was that, like two years ago? Yeah. That was very recent. You went straight through the table right to cement. What was that, like two years ago? Yeah. That was very recent. You know what's crazy about that? When I was preparing for that, they had a table with a pad under it. So, you know, I like doing my own little stunts. It felt good.

So then when I got to the ring, I was like, where's the pad? And she was like, there is no pad. And I was like, you know what? Since you already said we're going to do it, we're going to do it. It hurt. Yeah, I could imagine. Cody Rhodes, when I get better, I'm coming for you. You know what?

Hold on. Hold on. Shaq and Pac-Man versus Cody Rhodes and the Big Show. You heard it here first. Okay. You heard it here first. Love everything about that. Love everything about that.

We appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck with the hip recovery, and we appreciate everything you've done for sports, pal. We appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck with the hip recovery, and we appreciate everything you've done for sports, pal. You're the man. All right, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Shaquille O'Neal. Yeah! What a dog, dude.

That was awesome. Novex Biotech. What were you going to ask? I was going to ask if he thought things that he would probably average, you know, 50 and 30 in this era. Oh, that would have been a great question. Well, and we always talk about the 90s. Sorry for ruining it with my fucking stupid question.

No, you didn't ruin it. You look so cool. Yeah. What are you talking about? That's good news. That whole conversation, though, kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier. I didn't know y'all was going to say that. Pac-Man knows everybody.

Yep. Of course. I didn't see a video of Shaq in there, but that's fascinating. That is weird that you guys cut Shaq out of that video. It must be tough for him to fit onto those Delta flights. I didn't see a video of Shaq in there, but that's fascinating. That is weird that you guys cut Shaq out of that video. It must be tough for him to fit onto those Delta flights. He owned the flight that we was on. Flying out of a Delta terminal.

If you haven't seen the video, Pac-Man Jones clearly walking through airport. I guess Shaq, something happened with Shaq. He just got on. Apparently, just got on, something happened. And this worker for the airport, very visibly from the video, starts a fight with Pac-Man Jones, who's with his wife, I believe a little member of his family, and grabbing food. And I think you have slides on.

I think you have Gucci slides on. I think. I don't even think there's – You get on the tram. Where do you get on the train at the Atlanta airport? Yeah, I was going through the airport with Shaq. I had his book bag with all his money in it and jewelry. I was security, and he was just so rude, man.

I was like, yo, go ahead, big fella. Hey, buddy, shut the fuck up. And it just went from there to something else. One thing led to another. Everything worked out. We're not condoning violence. Ever. I don't think, obviously, no charges were pressed. The airport

was pissed that one of their employees got into a situation like that and all that. But damn, he knows everybody. That's right. That is literally how it goes. Let's answer some phone calls on our Fiverr Energy phone line. John McEnroe and Shaquille O'Neal. That was huge. Think about how uncomfortable he was with that hip.

Had to hurt so bad. Not as uncomfortable as AJ. New hip. I wonder where they get that bone from. It fucking got to be an animal. Dinosaur. Yeah, for real. Like, yeah, they're not getting that out of the box.

Just straight out of the box and giving him a normal hip. They took an IndyCar, took all the carbon fiber from the car, built a hip, put that thing right into Shaq. If you go to NovExBiotech.com, N-O-V-E-X-B-I-O-T-E-C-H.com, I believe that's the website. They'll have pictures of him on there before and after. That was insane. Yeah. Look at this. Can you imagine him sawing through his hip bones, trying to saw his bones off, like how thick they have to be?

Been like that forever. High school. He was good. Man, he looks great. In that dock. Playing against military guys as a high schooler on a base over there in Germany in the middle of fucking nowhere. 6'6 when he was 13.

Just running the court up and down. Nobody even knew he existed. Just dog, dog, dog. And then that LSU coach found out. And I assume that LSU coach was like, nobody tell anybody. Yeah. Well, he thought he was in the military. He thought he was an adult.

He thought he was 20-something years old. Unbelievable. And he's obviously Backman's friend. Of course. Should have known. I bought one of his printers. They were great. Yeah, there's more.

I blanked on some shit. Printer, insurance. He's done everything. He gets equity. I think he was in ring doorbell back in the day earlier you had the big ones yeah you're the main ones when he started selling printers i was like this fucking guy's got it you know i mean like just yeah shack selling printers is hilarious i assume that is reserved for people that are not in the sports world

shack is just not in the sports world shack is a worldwide icon once again because everywhere he walks what the fuck is that and then one person goes that's Shaquille O'Neal and he's a was a big fella damn move oh I'm gonna go rap better than you I'm gonna go act better than you my business sense is gonna be better than you I'm gonna DJ yeah like actually DJ and do these festivals like What a dog, dude. What a fucking dog Shaquille O'Neal is. And never, never yell. Big fellow, how you doing? Just super... So chill.

I can't punch anybody in the mouth. My mom would be mad. And they would die. They would die instantly. Who said that? Somebody said... Was it Matt Barnes? I think he said... Maybe it was... I forget who said, maybe it was Stack. I forget who it was. It was from the Up and Smoke podcast.

Somebody said, like, thank God that Shaq's mom and Sarge raised him right. Because if he was. Man. Old loose cannon. Like, if he was just a little bit more heated of a human with how healthy he was and how dumb he was. Like, that would have been a nightmare for every human that played any sport ever with him. Now, granted, not that he wasn't dominant, but there was more shit that he could have fucking done to people.

Oh, yeah. And he had a, you know what I mean? Like, he good dude through all of it. It's an unbelievable story. It is an unbelievable story because at some point, body's supposed to give out. Some point, you're not supposed to be able to do that at that size. With that amount of celebrity and pressure, you're supposed to crumble at some point.

Shaq just never has. No. it's like he defies all shit it's I'm happy he stopped by the program there yeah I mean that is that is like you know again we get the opportunity to talk to a lot of really cool people and it's tough getting like starstruck but like Shaq really is like one of those guys where it's just like holy shit that's fucking Shaquille O'Neal. Sunglasses, change glasses, no glasses. Like the pit vipers he had on there. Oh, yeah. He got a lot of sweat. He got a lot of sweat. I mean, he's not wearing pink pants.

Yeah, it's fun. That's why Shaq's so awesome. He's always having fun. All of his videos, he's dancing with his kids. He's DJing. He's a big, giant human, and he always seems to have a great time. Enjoying life is a necessity to success, I believe. Are you winning because you had fun,

or are you having fun because you win? I think if you have fun, you win. If you enjoy what you're doing, you win. Exactly. So stop pouting on the Thunderbolt court every time you step on it. Ain't that right, AJ? Once again. What?

AJ, please. No, I wouldn't let you go, Con. You can defend yourself. I mean, like I said, that's your truth. I respect your truth. It's a false truth. Okay. Foxy?

We already did this. All in favor. Did Con get an invite? Did he get a specific invite? No, he did. Six people heard it. One, two people didn't. Yeah, the two people who go to morning pickleball didn't heard it,

but that's crazy. Time doesn't go. That's weird. Not this week. That's your problem with morning Thunder Bowl. You don't even buy in. Like, you just, two people, like, Ty was in there. Ty was in there.

What? So? I played all Tuesday morning. Ripping backhand. What are we talking about here? Come on. Foxy's going to agree with you, of course. No, he's not.

Foxy was with me. No, I was there. I was actually the one that said it. You were sitting right next to Pat. I said, hey, Pat, early tee time tomorrow, 7 a.m. Are we really doing this? He said, absolutely. Crazy Foxy spinning your yard.

Would never expect that to happen. Gertie is the only other one. Gertie didn't hear it. Gertie heard it. Nick was literally sitting right next to Gertie and heard it. Nope, he didn't. And you're telling me old pessim. Nick was literally sitting right next to Gertie and heard it. Nope, he didn't. And you're telling me old pessimistic Nick is going to be just spinning yarn all the time? I don't lie, my friend.

I do not lie. That's crazy. Well, you did dress up as somebody for Halloween, and we would like to say that we do not know if that's true or not. So you might have lied during Halloween at one time. What text message. Allegedly. Allegedly, of course.

Allegedly. Did McEnroe call you Richard Simmons? I alluded to him being Richard Simmons later in life on a chair playing pickleball because he said they play doubles on a court that's a third the size. What, do you just park a chair out there and play? You don't even have to move. That's his his big take on is that it's very easy to play like it's not anywhere near as demanding as tennis and i think i heard him say people are saying pickleball is bigger than tennis so he took that as a direct yeah hit which i don't think it should

be compared the same like tennis tournaments will always be considered much more prestigious but the activity of pickleball i think much more popular yes than the tennis at this exact moment so he took it as like both tried dumb that down and then we said you're probably gonna like it by the end of this thing you're gonna be on a chair working out playing and i'm like who's that and then i didn't know it was richard simmons and then he called me richard simmons with tanked up so yeah there was a richard simmons compliment is he alive still do we know that's what i tank top. So yeah, there was a Richard Simmons reference. It's a compliment. Is he alive still? Do we know anything? That's what I wanted to ask.

There was a weird documentary. They were trying to find him. They couldn't find him. Where is he? They found him. They found him? I thought so. Is he alive?

Sure. Wait, look. Connor, you can't just make stuff. What do you mean? Everyone have a great Thursday. He's alive. Richard Simmons is alive. Okay.

Congratulations, Rich. Happy to hear you were found. He's a lot. Richard Simmons is a lot. Okay. Congratulations, Rich. Happy to hear you were found. He was lost and found. Let's remember that. Let's go to the phones. 5R Energy phone line here. We'll call 1-833-433-3663. Whenever we hang up on somebody, a line will open up.

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Mike in Tennessee. Mike, what's going on, pal? Nothing much, man. How we doing? Keep it moving. I like the start. Hey, I just wanted to give a shout out to the boys. I've been watching you since you guys have been in the dark room, you know, doing interviews

with guys from the Hells Angels and shit like that, you know? Hell yeah. It's really motivating to see how far you guys have gone. It's awesome. Hell yeah. We appreciate that. Yeah. We had an undercover Hells Angels guy on, I believe it was Harlan Radio at the time.

Yeah, it might have been. Harlan Radio at the time. That shit was wild. Way back. We appreciate you, Mike, for following along. The Shaped Head guy that wrote a book about it. Is it that guy? Yeah, and he had a cool goatee.

Jay Dobbins. Jay Dobbins? I think that's right, yeah. Sounds right. I think Zito just confirmed. Jay Dobbins. Wow.

Good pull. There was an Italian one as well. The guy that went undercover in the mafia. What was his name? Donnie Brasco. Donnie Brasco. I haven't interviewed him. I've seen a lot of documentaries on him.

That takes massive courage. Oh yeah. There was a biker gang murder in Indiana like last week. Recent. Oh, good to see that. Like two rival biker gangs came together? Head of one biker gang shoots head of another biker gang, I think in either chest or head. Jesus.

I thought he killed him. Yeah, he definitely killed him, but I don't remember if it was like a poof or a poof. I don't remember. It wasn't a big shootout? It was just one-on-one? No but I don't remember if it was like a poof or a poof. I don't remember. It wasn't a big shootout? It was just one-on-one? No, I think, yeah, it was like a one thing, and it was two different gangs, pretty prominent. And it's like an hour and a half south of Indiana. And I'm like, it's 2023, and biker gangs are fucking still out there killing each other.

Holy shit. I did not know that was still happening. Wild. They are. No idea. Did they take paces? Did you know that about biker gangs? I had no idea biker gangs were still doing a thing.

Oh, yeah. Biker gangs are big in Ohio, too. Canada, they're massive. Yeah, huge up there. Arizona. Wow. New Mexico. Remember me and Danny Amendola.

Yeah, that's right. Went out one night and loved him. Yeah, that's my boy. He's a great guy. Great time. We went out first night we ever met each other. We go out in New Mexico. We's a great guy. Great time. We went out first night. We haven't met each other. We go out in New Mexico. We had a couple times, bounce around to a couple different bars.

We go outside of one of the bars, and there was just a lineup of motorcycles there. And I had a motorcycle. So I just, I said, it's a nice bike here. You know, I thought I had a lot of friends in the state. I had a pretty good night, solid night. Normally, pretty joyful occasion wherever I'm on about have a successful evening and i said let me see that thing i just grabbed it and this guy two of them with fucking their black leather vest with the colors on the back of it of course why don't you get the fuck off that

bike and i'm like yeah yeah yeah danny amandola's like we are sorry we are sorry we are sorry i'm like it is a nice bike though and they're like yep okay and i'm like holy it is a nice bike though. And they're like, yep, okay. And I'm like, holy fuck. Need to remember that this ain't all shits and giggles. This ain't a Harley Davidson dealership. This is real life here. And I guess it just happened in Indiana. So, hey, keep your eyes peeled out there. Yeah, careful. Keep your eyes peeled.

Bike week is coming up too. There's a bunch of them. I mean. Sturgis? Yeah, this one's coming up. Down in Florida? April and May. No, in Indy. Myrtle Beach has a bike week.

That's huge, right? Indy has a bike week? Daytona. Indy has a big one. Takes over all of downtown. Sturgis, obviously a massive one. I have a Harley. I do.

I thought it was a nice bike. Yeah. I bought one of these. I was not happy. That's like a lap in this thing, you mind? I mean, who knows what was in the compartments on that bike too. I just said. Saw it off shotgun. That's awesome. Thanks for not

killing me, dude. There's no way he maybe. He's probably in jail. I mean. Or dead. Yeah, who knows. But thanks for not killing me, dude. It was a nice bike though. I was just trying to compliment. Let's go to the fence. Don't touch anybody's bikes. It's all out of respect. Or heavy too. I've seen somebody just accidentally and then bikes. It's all out of respect. They're heavy too.

I've seen somebody just accidentally and then they fall. The amount of damage that happens if those things fall. They were jumping heavy bike? Yeah, it was heavy bike. Big. We're talking hangers here. We had these things all the way up here. Had a little when it went down. A couple of the things. I'm like, this guy.

Like Paul Tuttle. Orange County Choppers. Diane Hulk Hogan is kind of like. the thing i'm like this guy like paul tuttle bingo yeah orange county choppers italian hulk hogan is kind of bingo yeah he's the whole yeah he's italian hulk hogan what a show dude what's he up to i'm in the bikes and wrestling big in the bikes harley or street bike i got chopper got a booster i got can-ams uh busa like aAms. A Booster, like a Hayabusa? Yeah. You ride it? Yeah. So that was the dream bike I wanted in high school and then Ben Roethlisberger took it through an

intersection and got slaughtered by a car. It almost died and then he just bounced back and played MVP football. Yeah, unbelievable. And I was like, alright. Son of a bitch. It was like in the time that I was thinking about buying a Hayabusa. I'm like, I'm going to buy a Hayabusa. And then like Ben Roethlisberger, almost dead on his Hayabusa.

I'm like, well, the universe just told me not to get on there. That bike has juice. That bike got real juice. Yes. Ride it often? No, I don't. That's smart. It's not nothing to play on.

If you don't know what you're doing, it's not a bike to buy to learn on. Yeah, that was going to be my first bike. No, it would have been a bad idea, Pat. Yeah, that's what I heard. I mean, I made a decision. I went a different way. I bought a Titan Phoenix, I think it was. Chopper as well.

Had 1600cc off the guy's front yard. Had no idea how to ride. The guy had to drive it back to my apartment because I didn't know how to drive it. I just knew I wanted it. And then, obviously, I stared at it for two to three hours. I was like, I think I can figure this thing out. And I clearly had no license at the time. And I just fucking took that thing out, stalled four times coming out of the parking lot. It was loud. And then when I got that thing rolling, I was thinking to myself like, okay, can't stop now.

So I come upon a red light in these back country, Indiana roads, and I pull into a parking lot and I do like four circles so that thing turns green again and then i fucking got back in there it was kind of you know baptized by fire probably not the right thing to do but i love it it's these potholes you can't really ride much no anymore it kind of come out of nowhere and kill you yeah i need that you know why you got to watch the speed you got to watch how fast you're going especially around here here in ohio with the snow yeah roads are terrible yeah i've gotten worse what'd you say about people i think that's a real thing too yeah like you have to when you're riding not you it's

other people you got to worry about yeah when you're riding though you're watching the driver like in indiana i don't like driving on like big highways i don't do that so there's people that are much better drivers than me i'm not saying that i'm like super sophisticated rider but i have rode for like 15 years at this point i think like 13 years at this point so i i feel like i have a pretty good sense of it obviously i have a license and everything like that but when you're riding and there's a two lanes you are certainly watching the driver like you are not look there's no reason to look at the car here i'm getting in a spot where i can see the driver if their heads are down they're gonna look at least for a second if they're

gonna come to your lane you gotta watch that but that's a lot easier said than done because it could be the other fucking road too. Yeah. It is a dangerous thing out there. I parked my bikes for like the last two years. I'm like, I just don't know if now's the time. Try to miss a pothole and then fucking. Yeah. It's like, I don't know if I'm.

Done for. Tough business. I love it though. Put your phone away. Turn some music on. That was like one of your hobbies. My favorite thing to do. Yeah.

Just kind of ride. Play some music. Let the wind. Be your like hobbies my favorite thing to do yeah just kind of ride play some music like the wind be nice i saw you in indy i met up with you in indy years ago i was there doing some stuff with adidas a high school game i met you somewhere and you got on your bike and rode away yeah downtown we went we met downtown i rode down there it was a good ride it was a fun ride fucking wide open on that rat going around in a circle Would you ever take it like cross country? You ever do one of those trips? So I think when I get older I will Wild Hogs Tim Allen

Travolta Billy H. Macy You gotta have it set up though I think That's what you learn from Wild Hogs What a movie You can't be getting yourself in any shit What's that? I'll take Leot's in Wild Heart.

Leota's the bad guy, I thought. Is he? I don't know. Yeah, Leota's the bad guy. What happened? They go to a restaurant, right? Something happens at a restaurant. Yeah, at Leota's restaurant.

Yeah. What happens? They're just trying to ride. You tell me, AJ. You know something very toxic. I have not seen the movie, really. I've seen the little clips. What?

Martin Lawrence is in that, too, right? Yeah. He's the fourth. Yeah, AJ, you. I thought you slayed clips. What? Martin Lawrence is in that too, right? Yeah. He's the fourth. Yeah, AJ, you... I thought you... What? What, Tone? Huh? What, you? What, Tone? AJ said a different actor before.

I don't believe he's in it. Yeah, he's talking about Ocean's Eleven. Oh, yeah. I know. You said... Oh, were you? Yeah. He said Don Cheadle. He was thinking Don Cheadle's Martin Lawrence lawrence yeah he's great with that that british accent oh jesus this guy vince carter's on tv right now what's he talking about is vince carter getting into the media world nfl pro day he's been on espn for a while now they're talking about the lakers right now he's not talking about nfl he had a hell of a career

austin reeves that's what we're talking about that dude's killing it yeah he is austin reeves crushing for the lakers obviously he puts on a show and talks a hell of a career. Austin Reeves, that's who we're talking about. That dude's killing it. Yeah, he is. Austin Reeves crushing it for the Lakers. Obviously, he puts on a show and talks a lot of shit. They have him mic'd up all the time. It seems like his mic'd up segments are much looser than everybody else's mic'd up segments. Everybody else is like, ah! Oh, yeah! Let's go! Austin Reeves is like talking

shit directly. Hey, here we go. How you doing? Keep it moving. We saw Vince Carter play against the Greek Freak in Atlanta. Yeah, it is. Like like his final year he took over like a four minute stretch of that entire game they were just so awesome they were just giving him the ball he was backing people down i think he had a dunk it was as soon as he stepped foot on the court the entire building was like legends playing legends playing he kept up he played a long time played a long time man um what 20 some years i forget what's the exact number but um he was one of those guys that i was watching i think when i was in high school he didn't retire till i end up

retiring no that's recently a couple years ago a couple years ago we literally watched 2020 wow yeah we watched him 2019 i guess that was the last year that people were allowed in arenas it was yeah titty boy performed It was. Yeah, Titty Boy performed. Lil Baby was there. I sat in Big Boy seats. I sat in Big Boy seats. There were some fur seats, and he was selling the Big Boy Budweiser. What?

Which were like 36-ounce bottles. You also met Dominique Wilkins, too. We did. Dominique Wilkins in the back. That was a great night there. Yeah, that arena is unbelievable. At Delta Sky Club, they had kind they had in the bowels of the stadium where you could just get booze down there and then watch the game.

I was very impressed. They did it right down there. We bought a bunch of pizza and drinks. It was legit $25 for all of us to eat. That's their big thing is cheap concessions. Falcons as well. There's places you can mill around. You don't have to sit down. They have their big thing is cheap concessions. Falcons as well. And there's places you can mill around. You don't have to sit down. They have great internet. They did it down there.

That was a great experience down there. It's entertainment now. It's Atlanta. Yeah, you're right. Gotta entertain. Hey, Titty Boy did. Two Chains weren't out there. Did his thing. He's got a great show. You've seen his show, Most Expensivest,

I believe it's called. That's one where he just gets high as fuck and experiences all the most expensive things on earth. He's a great show. You've seen his show Most Expensivest, I believe it's called. Oh, yeah. That's one where he just gets high as fuck and experiences all the most expensive things on earth. He's a legend. Keep doing it. He's different, though. He's different. He's different.

Why did he change his name? Because Titty Boy wasn't hitting with the younger crowds, unfortunately. Titty Boy wasn't hitting with the younger crowds Unfortunately Titty Boy wasn't hitting? His young crowd doesn't like titties as much What? Just like Shaq mentioned about this young NBA

Same exact thing Oh so he said we gotta go to the chain game Chain game instead of the fucking Titty gang Yeah everyone's wearing chains So that's why you say he went to two chains Funny thing about Titty Boy Because Yeah, everyone's wearing chains. So that's why you say he went to two chains? Yeah. Funny thing about Titty Boy?

Because chains became so much... Not that they weren't incredibly cool for the last four or five decades, generations or whatever. You're saying the chains became so much more popular than titties. So he had to drop to Titty Boy. Yes. And become the two chains guy. Well, and instead of two titties, two chains. And like you just said... Oh, so it was kind of a combination of both. He said, you know what, we'll put these two together. Two titties, two chains. Like you just said. It's a combination of both.

He said, we'll put these two together. Two titties. He would have went to the top. Two titties. He's got him. Imagine. He didn't want to do that to Lil Wayne. Shout out to you.

Titty Boy, great performance. Thank you, Titty shout out to you hey Titty boy great performance thank you Titty boy what if it was like two cheeks guy there for a bit too two cheeks would've been nice became an ass crowd

or just slap cheeks that was his name he's a basketball player right heard a good hooper yeah he was a decent hooper yeah whoa whoa whoa what's that all about

no I'm saying he could hoop you know Titty boy yeah I do know Titty boy Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's that all about? No, I'm saying he could hoop. You know Titty Boy? Yeah, I do know Titty Boy. Oh, you don't say. I would have thought. What are the chances, AJ? This guy fucking knows everybody. It's unbelievable.

There's a video of 2 Chainz playing basketball with Lil Baby against Jack Harlow and Quavo. And boy, 2 Chainz got so pissed when Lil Baby started dribbling because Quavo was just cooking him. Oh, really? That's real. Super competitive. That was the Bleacher Report thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's exactly what it was. I think it was the Bleacher Report. The bags of cash. Yeah. That was a great idea. Good concept. They got after it. There's a video.

Is Kashi 6'9 any good at basketball? I've heard a spa treatment's not great. I heard he went into... He got caught in the sauna, didn't he? That's the allegedly. Allegedly. That is... People think it's set up.

What? Why? People on the internet think it's set up. Why would they do that? I don't know, because is a song or an album going to drop in the next couple weeks? Who knows? I watched his song. You're saying it wasn't real blood?

No, no, no. They actually did it, but a lot of people thought this could have been way worse. And also, someone was going to jump him, wouldn't they? So he's in a sauna. Is this a wet sauna, red light sauna? Do we know if it was? Because if it was wet, those seats are very hard, very slick. A lot of damage could be done in there.

You actually think about that as you lose sight of everything, as the smoke is gathering around you, you can't even see the door, and you're in a public place. It's like, I'm in a pretty vulnerable spot here. You know what I mean? You think about that, actually. You think about that. If you're in a public one of those, team ones, you're okay. If you have one at your house,

bravo. Bravo, you're doing your thing. But there is times where you can't see shit It's like this seems pretty This could be a Who knows who else is in here with me That's right Allegedly that's what happened

Who knows if they locked the door from the outside That's what I'm worried about No that's no That's nightmare fuel You have to lock that from the inside right You would have to put Now they're They're different

People have died in them where they couldn't get out I was going to say I don't think you can lock it from the outside Because of that reason But you could shove something in like in the movies Where they put a broomstick Gotcha But just a little bit of a crack in the door fucks the whole sauna up

Also if you're going to die come on Survival instinct Break down the fucking door Of the sauna? That's triple pain glass my friend Triple pain? What if they put a bank vault in front of the door? Then what?

It's going to be tough. Tip it to the right, then. Get out of luck. This is triple pain, soundproof glass. There's no way that neighbor over there was able to hear. I just watched that. He is so bizarre. Everything he does.

Every walk, every mannerism. His face, every muscle in his face is moving when he's walking. It's an unbelievable series. Good question, Iguodo. Well, first you got to look for a motive. In this particular case, the defendant, the victim, yeah, had a bigger dick, right, than the... Yeah. Case closed.

Oh, what a fucking movie. Was that axel's first time watching that movie i assume that's why you watched yeah all my kids first first time seeing it uh but dan marino makes a great a great uh no flub i mean great show and i'm surprised to get more gigs after that so he's in bad boys too easy the story oh you're right allegedly the story is he was offered like 30 grand or like 7% of the profit of the movie or something like that or 8% of the profit of the movie and Dan Marino or somebody in his party

was like You read the script. We all read the script. There's a dolphin and Jim Carrey's a nobody. Come on. And Dan Marino makes his first ever business flawed mistake. Give me the cash now.

That movie goes on to make billions of dollars. Still being run right now at this exact moment. Still being watched. What a movie. I can't believe, you know, like, so good at kicking that football, that Dolphin. Yeah. So good. So good.

Never miss. Snowflake's so good at kicking that football, that Dolphin. Yeah. So good. So good. Never missed. Snowflake. Snowflake's so good at kicking that fucking football. Never missed. It did confuse my kids. They're like, wait, the Dolphins have a dolphin as their mascot that kicks field goals? I'm like, well, in this movie they might, but in real life we're still working on it. They should.

I mean, people would be pissed, I guess. Oh, yeah. There's no way that wouldn't happen. Yeah, you're right. But if that fucking Dolphin can make a kick, bring it out on fourth down. Snap the ball into the aquarium. Fucking PETA was pissed that Good Burger 2 was getting made.

What are you talking about? Good Burger 2, home of the Good Burgers, coming back. They're making the second. With Keenan and Kel? Yeah, they were pissed that they were using beef burgers instead of vegan. Impossible burgers or something. Those suck. Obviously.

Have you tried them? Yeah, I mean, I feel like I don't know enough about them, but yeah, I definitely tried it. You've ordered it? You've sat there and said, give me the Impossible Burger. Fake meat is scary, man, I think. Go on, please, AJ. I don't know.

I mean, stuff that was developed that's made in a lab, that would worry me a little bit. Don't worry. They're growing chickens in the lab now, AJ. You'll eat forever. Yeah, I've gotten the same shape of meat from this one restaurant that's a high-end restaurant every time I've ordered from it. And multiple people, I assume, order it every single day.

How do they get the same shaped piece of chicken to my house perfectly cooked every single night? There has to be some sort of bird that's a little bit different shaped. It has to be some sort of form. Exact shape. bit different shaped. Has to be some sort of form. Exact shape. The meat game is an interesting one right now. It is. To really think about how it works, what's going on with it. That's why you don't eat any of it. You just eat nerds all day.

Yeah. Candy and Skittles. This guy was eating meat earlier, right? He was... Mind blown. I'm still not, you know, this is kind of one of those cake situations. He had wings over there. You did? Yeah. Did he say he didn't eat meat or something? No, bro. They don't think I eat because I just sit here and eat candy all day. 3%

body fat AJ is a fucking 40-year-old. All he eats is candy all day. That is it. This is the first time we've seen him have a meal. Yeah, real food. And I can't blame him because those nerd clusters are delicious. So good. Every time I look at it, it's the nerd ropes and cluster balls. They updated. They got some You get the nerd ropes? It's the nerd rope and the cluster balls.

They updated. They got some new ones. Because the convenience of the rope was a pain in the ass. These clusters kind of take that all away. It's like a perfect bite size. You could eat a thousand of those. He does. This is the six batch. Yeah, exactly. This is the six batch that has been brought in here.

We didn't know if he literally ate anything other than that. It kind of leads to a point that we need to talk about. Sometimes you just ain't going to have it. Stuka would run a 4.3 right now if he had to. Eats nerds all day. Very sweet. We need to remember, we eat nerds, we're going up 300, 400 pounds. For sure.

Let's stay focused. Bless we're taking GF9. From Shaquille O'Neal and Novex Biotech. Is that his company? He's got to have a stake in it. Doesn't he get equity in most of the stuff he does? Every company is his company. I don't know exactly.

I think Pac-Man would know more. If Bigfella is not doing it, that's not his company or some kind of stake in the company. Which is smart business. Let me see the stats here. In the small print here, GF9 is the name of the product from Novex Biotech. GF9 has been shown in a double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial to increase mean serum, parenthesis, blood, parenthesis, growth hormone levels by 682%. Happy I got that number right earlier.

All other benefits, effects noted in these testimonials, reviews are the individual's personal opinions and have not been studied in relation to the GF9 compound. During his four-month transformation, Shaquille worked with a personal trainer, followed a diet and exercise program, and also utilized GF9, Testrovax, Oxidrine, and other vitamins, I assume from Novex Biotech. Results may not be typical. So they have to say that to cover their ass. And obviously you have to work out while you're doing it. But it feels like he waited. He said that they pitched him some stuff. I think he waited a long time.

Was he talking about Frank Thomas in the commercial where the guy's wife leaves him for Frank? What? Remember that commercial? The girl's like, oh, look at that. And she goes over and starts flirting with Frank Thomas because he's whatever he's taking. Oh, yeah.

He was holding that telephone pole bat at the time. Yep. Kind of saying, you could. Check it out. You want to step in a batter's box. I remember that. I do remember that. That was not on the no-cuck Buckeye cruise, it appeared.

No way. Well, there's also the golf on New Gen X where it's him and Flutie on the driving range, and both of them have their dicks hanging out of their slacks. And, you know, just to emasculate the other guys who aren't using Nugenix. Did they have to tie it up? Frank did. Flutie just didn't. But, you know, I mean, what are you going to do?

Still respectable. Let's hit some more phone calls on the 500 phone line. I haven't seen that one. What's that? What? I haven't seen that one where their Johnsons are hanging out on the driving range. Johnsons? What's your problem?

What did you say? Because when Ty starts it, you always think it's serious for a second. Well, he does. The way he delivers it. I told him the other day, you know, because he was sick there for a while, and then he came back. That first day he was back, you know, he was still, I think, going through the after effects of it.

And then the second day he was back, I saw, like, what happens to his face whenever he, you know, he has something brewing. It's like literally an entire light radiates from his face and he gets this like shit eating almost, here we go. And I hook, line and sinker every single time. And then when it comes at the end, it's like. And I love the guy.

You always get started on that. Exactly. It's great. Hey, Ty, we. He always gets started on the phone. Exactly. It's great. Hey, Ty, we appreciate you. Hi, baby, Ty. Great to have you back. You too, AJ. You too, Pac.

Let's answer one more phone call here from the 5RNG phone line. Let's go to Josh in Ohio. Josh, what's going on, pal? What's going on, Pat, AJ, Pac-Man, motherfucking Jones? How we doing? Hey, great now, pal. Keep it moving.

How are you doing? Are you on the work site right now? Yeah, I'm a mailman. You know, doing my duties. Hey, we appreciate you doing that. We appreciate you mailmanning. My father was a mailman. That's no problem. Your father's father.

Well, I was going to ask, specifically, Pac-Man, how does he feel about the Orlando Brown Jr. signing? And we're here to talk to Joey B. They're trying to cook up a 10-year contract, wondering if Pac-Man has the inside scoop. How did you find that out, Josh?

I mean, you live in Ohio with a superstar. Everyone just kind of talks about it. And he's a mailman. Yeah. I mean, we're going to talk to a lot of people. Yeah, we're going to talk to a superstar. Everyone just kind of talks about it. And he's a mailman. Yeah. I mean, we're going to talk to a lot of people. Are you hearing about it? I hear a lot of stuff all day, every day, man. Quit opening it.

This guy is the internet. The mailman. Oh, what's the Bengals right now? That's funny to think about. But what do you think about the Orlando Brown Jr. signing, which is making Mr. Williams, whose last year's left tackle, request to trade. Allegedly, sources are interested.

That deal has not been done. What do you think about the Bengals? And the 10-year deal seems like the right move, just like what they did for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City. First of all, I love the A.J. move with the top flight security because we got to protect Joe.

I think the 10-year deal is being talked about a lot in Cincinnati. The number is what's lingering now. What is the number going to be? 500, 550, 400, 450. Eager to see, but, yes, it's floating around. The conversation is being had. Numbers are being talked about because this has got to happen probably

before camp start, I would say, at the beginning of the year because we've got a lot of guys that we've got to get paid. And remember, if you do a 10-year deal, you can kick a lot of the money down the road later. You can just kind of reshuffle some stuff, just like Patrick Mahomes has done with the Kansas City Chiefs. Originally reported 10 years, $500 million. Actually

10 years, $430 million. But that $430 million coming to Patrick Mahomes is going to come in a variety of different ways depending upon how much money they need in the salary cap each individual season. Because they can restructure it, give him a signing bonus, and then kick it down the road. When you have 10 years to fuck with, that is certainly a lot of time to kind of dissipate the hit to each salary cap year.

Now it has to go with the right guy. Have to have a lot of trust in both the organization and in the player. Brett Veach told us that. Patrick Mahomes has obviously displayed everything you could potentially need as a quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs to be all in. Patrick Mahomes saw that Veach and Andy Reid were also all in. That's a big time deal to make. Joe Burrow

would have to do the same thing with the Bengals and the Bengals would have to do the same thing with Joey Burrow and it seems like they're full steam ahead for that in our eyes, but we could be wrong, AJ. Yeah, I guess it would be absolutely shocking if you saw like things stall and they don't figure something out and they go through the season. There's like animosity between Joe and the front office and they're not going to pay him.

They know they have to have Joe there. They know like that's what he's done to the, just the whole state and everything with the Bengals franchise. So yeah, you got to make it long, long-term, spread it out like Patrick Mahomes. People act patrick mahomes has a team-friendly deal when it's 10 years 430 million it's like okay yeah oh yeah oh yeah he does yeah hell yeah thank you for helping him pat thank you i mean get a half a billion hell yeah do your thing pal at the time i mean the deal set the market but i mean denny dimes just got 40 a year if you're looking at

that obviously it's not for 10 years yeah no for no but that i mean what in two years or you know maybe even next year someone will get 50 i mean rogers has 50 million now and he'll be able to renegotiate it like andy reed and veach just wanted to say hey we want you here you want to be here here's a shit ton of money to begin with and then we'll just kind kind of work this out. Don't the hockey studs do that? Don't the hockey studs sign like seven nine-year deals, or they used to? Sidney Ovechkin, they had 10-year deals, didn't they? Yeah, and then they outlawed it. You can only sign a max of eight with your own team or seven as a free agent.

Postage is today. Because guys were signing like 10, 15-year deals, and then the tail end of the deal, they were cutting their salaries down to one to two to $2 million to bring the average down. Yeah, but Hobbs, he's, I mean, for the rest, I mean, he is locked up until 2031, but it's high 40s pretty much every single year for his cap hit. That's not bad.

And they can shuffle it, and if it gets to a point where the market is indicating something else, they can just re-up another 10, another 7. You've got to have a guy, you've got to have faith in a guy, but the guy also has to have faith in the organization that they're going to do right by him. And it seemingly has worked for Kansas City in a great way. Well, that's what's crazy about Kansas City too

with the Bengals' conversation is that they couldn't hold on to Tyreek Hill. And now the Bengals are going to have Jamar Chase who's going to get Tyreek Hill money. So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. Yeah, and it'll be fascinating to see how they transition into a new era of a team, too, which had to happen in New England with Tom Brady. It's going to have to happen if you're going to have a dynasty anywhere,

especially with a quarterback that's going to be in a place for a long time. What will the Chiefs look like, you know, eight years from now, seven years from now? Excited to see the next transition of it all and how they handle it, be able to kick the can down the road. In the AFC North with the Cincinnati Bengals and Joey Burrow, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Did you know we learned from the Foot Ballin' podcast and the Mark Madden Show on 105.9

The X in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, that the San Francisco 49ers allegedly reached out to Big Ben Roethlisberger and asked him if he was willing to come back and play last year whenever they had a little bit of quarterback question marks. Now Brock Purdy would go in and do his thing, but Big Ben didn't automatically say no. Big Ben thought that maybe he would kind of think about

it. Jot the idea down. Kind of see if he wanted to get back into it. We'll go to you, Tone Diggs, diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan, and we appreciate Mark Madden for all of his service to the city of Pittsburgh. He has been there a long time doing his thing. We appreciate Ben Roethlisberger

doing everything he did for the city of Pittsburgh. He was there a long time doing his thing. Love you, Seven. Football and podcast is awesome. Can't wait to join the show. Have a couple birds in the basement. You guys are awesome and crushing it. Ben, every time you speak, we enjoy hearing it.

Him potentially being a Niner, was that something you think was real? Did you ever consider it? And what would that have been like for you? Would that have been a break in half? You know what I mean? In the houses of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Love you, Seven. Yeah, I heard it.

He said they had a couple talks. He said he didn't really know how serious it was. He talked to his family, though, about it. He talked to his agent about it. He said he prayed on it a lot, which I don't know exactly if that makes it more serious or not. I'm not sure. If he would have went to the Niners. What's your problem?

What's that about? No, no. What's his deal? Hey, Jay, what's your deal, Diggs? He said I prayed on it a lot. So I don't know. Do you say, hey, should I go to the Niners and get a sign? about no no what's his deal no actually what's your deal digs he said i prayed on it a lot so i don't know like do you say hey should i go to the niners and like it's gonna get a sign i didn't know what that meant so is it now i'm not a super religious person i will be at some point i don't

think you just die and nothing happens and i'm very thankful for the people that are very religious but i think a lot of the people that I follow that are like disciples of whichever. Sure. Believers. Bible thumpers. Yes. They say like God tells them to do something, puts it on their heart. And that might be accurate.

That might be the way it goes. Other people view it as like the universe is giving me signs and like doing that, like my thoughts. So I think praying on it means he was meditating, asking the Lord to give him guidance on what he's supposed to do. And I think that is a big deal. If you say you pray on it a lot because that means probably battling a little bit.

If Seven would have went to the Niners, personally I would have been happy for him. I would have rooted for him. He would have been so good. Get the ball out of his hands so quick on that offense. Such a different situation. We got no problem with the Niners. He had to take it serious. He had to think about it for a little bit. If it was an AFC team or something like that, I would have been fucking pissed. But Niners,

go ahead, Bull. Has to, especially with what we've heard from Ben, like from this football. I feel like I've learned more about Ben from this footballing podcast than his entire time. It's like Ben seems like a normal human being who's super competitive and still has the ability. If the San Francisco fucking 49ers with that team that they have that late into the season, go, hey, we just need you to take

probably five-step most, and then you're slant or you're out or you're triple reversing counter-traying. Has to think about it, to your point, AJ, has to. How would you not? A team like that with an unbelievable defense, offensive weapons, Kyle Shanahan calling the plays. I don't know how serious he got, but I would imagine there was a few moments where he's like, man, I might have to do this.

How'd you view Big Ben Roethlisberger as quarterback when you played against him? One of the best I ever played against. Okay, that doesn't get said that much. I don't think about Ben Roethlisberger. Well, I played him because I was in the division, but Big Ben, he was very smart. You couldn't get him down with one person. He gave us hell.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Ben. Ben, I hate playing against him, but he got the best of us, I think, if we add up the numbers. Dude, he put up 500 yards us. 500 yards against us. Martavis, Brian, Antonio Brown, and everybody. Dogs. And going into the game, like, nobody was talking about Ben Roethlisberger. They were talking about, like, Le'Veon Bell. Like, will Le'Veon Bell be able to get loose in this game or whatever?

And then we watch the game unfold. It's like the guy playing quarterback is bigger, stronger, more resilient, and can throw the ball into a bucket like 60 yards away he was his talent i assume in his head is a perfect one for that niners offense i wonder how many times he prayed about like i wonder how conflicted he actually was the defense was so incredible his first uh seven ish years in the league that I think that kind of took over everyone's impression, first impression of him. But then when he was playing your Bengals teams

and it was him and the Killer Bees or whatever, they had a top five offense, not a top five defense. That was the offense that carried them for all those years. Okay, let's wrap up some more stuff in the AFC North. Ozzie Newsome, massive name in the Baltimore Ravens world, obviously. Has been for a long time, big brain.

He said on the Bernie Kosar show with Hanford Dixon, all right? Yep, he does good work. Great crew right there. He talked about the situation revolving around Lamar Jackson and the contract. Speaking of quarterbacks, the Browns made waves last year with their guaranteed contract of Deshaun Watson. What was your immediate reaction when that news broke well you know what I'm always about this every club has to do what they have to do with contracts with drafting you know I got enough problems dealing with this club that you know what I can you know, I don't worry about what other people do, but, you know, our owner, you know, did say that, you know,

that contract did create some problems. Now, what we have to figure out, is that going to be the norm or is that an outlier? And we don't know. That is the question that we're all asking, too. It was interesting to hear Ozzie, who has a great relationship with Hanford Dixon, it seems like. Yeah.

They are. Hanford Dixon's losing. Hell, yeah, because I assume there's a chance that maybe some text messages were taking place while it was all happening. Like, hey, good luck with what just happened. And that is a Brown show there. Right? So that is a $230 million offer to a quarterback guaranteed in the division in Cleveland. Bernie Kosar there.

So as soon as he starts talking about it, I like that it got a big pop out of them. I like that that got a big pop out of your life being miserable. But him admitting that the owner said this is certainly something is like, okay, we all thought that was the case. Now it's almost being publicly stated. Let's get it figured out. But him saying, is this the new normal or is that an outlier, I think is what they're waiting and seeing with other teams potentially

during this non-exclusive franchise tag season that Lamar Jackson's in, AJ? Yeah, but they're next in line, right? The Ravens are the ones next in line to show us, is this going to be the norm or is this an outlier contract that Lamar signed? Or that Lamar wants to sign off the Deshaun Watson situation. So it's up to them. It's not like, what's the odds that Joe Burrow signs before Lamar?

So like, them having this franchise tag thing, where another team can come in and decide, I think they're almost like, they're almost like, somebody else can decide whether or not this is what we're going to do or what we're not going to do. I don't know if I respect it or hate it.

You know, I don't know if you can, I hate it as a former player. Give the guy his money. He's earned it. But you can see where they're like, we'll let somebody else decide to come in and they still have the ability to match it whenever they would like to. We hope a deal gets done, though, for this guy.

When is it going to get done? We've been waiting. We got until July, right? June or July? Yeah, July. Probably won't. It's not going to happen. He's not going to get paid. That's where I don't know. We got until July, right? June or July? Yeah. Yeah, July. Probably won't. It's not going to happen. He's not going to get paid. That's where I'm at now, unfortunately.

Yeah, if they haven't done it by now, yeah, I don't know. We got time. What are we talking about? We got time. We got time. He knows what he's worth. He asked for what he's worth, and they're not going to get paid. We don't know what that number is exactly. Has a video been released yet on Lamar Jackson Entertainment I-775 YouTube?

Great question. That was supposed to come this week. It's Thursday, so maybe tomorrow? Which would, obviously, since we're off tomorrow, all the answers will come tomorrow. That's kind of how it goes. Yeah, we digest the dough and then get back to it after the weekend. It's going to take us a couple times to hear it, too. But either way. What's your problem?

We all heard that, Mylite, okay? It was very difficult. You're talking about the promo for that? Yes, I'm talking about the promo. For what? This guy. You can call me... Oh, I almost just said something I shouldn't have.

You can call me a prick, okay? But you can't. What were you going to say? What did I rhyme with? Don't say it. I mean, you stopping yourself? That is bananas. It rhymes with punt.

I just didn't, you know. Oh, that's fine. Smart. I like what you did. I appreciate that you were like, nope, not saying it. And I was also calling myself it. Which is fine. Yeah.

Especially in England. Bingo. And I'm a big England language guy. Well, in England, they say a lot of forget it. They do. Just call them cigarettes. Yes. Get in the hole.

Oh, that was close. Thank you. Get in there, dadgummit. Oh! Pack, what do we think? Do we think it's going in? It's a hard bullet. Hard shot.

That might be the one. It's got turned. It's the unduffable, though. Yeah. No duff said. The back row was right about that. I do wish you could curve that. Manipulate the ball a bit.

You can, though. I don't know if the ball a bit. You can, though. A little more. I don't know if he's played enough. You can spin it. Sure, sure. But it doesn't curve in the air. He's probably used to working the tennis ball like 15 feet across the court. Doesn't move as much as a ping pong ball.

Ping pong ball moves a lot. What else have we not covered for the week? DeForest Buckner allegedly was asking for a trade this morning via Twitter account at NFL Rumors. Then that came out to be completely false, including DeForest Buckner debunking it. He said, I need you to check your sources at NFL Rums. And then he said, I ain't fucking leaving. Obviously, in the Wolf of Wall Street gif, another fantastic gif. We're talking about those today.

I also reach out to DeForest Buckner. I believe he'll be on the program next week. Let's go. We'll get a chance to chat with him because I think Colts fans need to hear a little optimism as well. He doesn't want to go anywhere. He obviously has a reason for that. He could. He's a fucking dog of a football player. One of one. Excited to kind of get that

handled next week and excited to continue to enjoy the hell out of this ride of the offseason with fucking Pac-Man Jones joining us. We appreciate you, man. You had a great week. You had a fantastic week, pal. March Madness is tonight. Who do we like? What do we like?

Two unders I like tonight. Michigan State and K-State is the first game. That's a one and a half point spread. All the money's on Michigan State. I'm leaning K-State a little first game. That's a one-and-a-half point spread. Come on. Lean in all the bunnies on Michigan State. I'm leaning K-State a little bit there. I like the unders in the Arkansas-UConn game in FAU-Tennessee. And then Zags and UCLA, also a one-and-a-half point game.

Oh, rematch. UCLA's got some injuries. Okay, let's enjoy that. Hammer, Don, will be in about 10-15 minutes at youtube.com forward slash hammer talk to the table great work this week boys both of you conquering a thunder course in the hashtag easy carry contest shout out to Bud Light

easy to carry did either of us drop a Bud Light don't think we did guess what we did yeah but you you on Monday Mitt was in the background No, that was a kid. Yeah, but you. Is Mitt going on Monday? Mitt was in the background cheering on Ty.

I don't know if he was in the background cheering on Connor today. What's that all about? Hey. Yeah, what's that about? Well, that's interesting. Hold on. What was that about, Tony? What did Tony do?

He said he gets it. What do you mean? I was on the phone. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I was on the fucking phone. Look at him. It's the man.

Mick, get your ass out here. Do it. Actually, during your ass out here. Do it. Actually, during the break, he said sorry. He was on an absolute heater in his coloring book back there. So I couldn't. There's nothing. All right, dude. I had to let him go. All right.

Mick, great work this week, pal. Thank you, Mick. Thank you, Mick. Oh, man. What the fuck? All right, everybody in the back, great work this week. Appreciate you guys. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Great work this week, Pat. What was your favorite part? Great work. Hell of a week, Pat. Great work this week. Appreciate you guys. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Great work this week, Pat. What was your favorite part? Hell of a week, Pat. Great job. I'll tell you what. How about that? A lot of people talking about me this week.

A lot of chatter about me this week. Super positive, super negative. And we live to see another week next week. That's right. We live to see another week next week. A lot of chatter about us right now, AJ. Pretty much everywhere. We got people saying, I'm putting odds on favorite on this one.

I'm doing this. I heard this. Sources said this. It's a sweepstakes. I'm like, holy shit. Really? What's going on? We're up to something.

Yeah. I mean, those people wouldn't believe how massive the meeting was this morning. There's a reason Pickleball has moved up an hour. And that meeting was freaking huge. Connor sitting in on this meeting in the back with headphones on while listening and seeing seeing what the people are saying it was fantastic i filmed a doc this morning as well that's right how about that that was a pretty it was pretty active week this week absolutely for who for yourself uh no it's not a doc on me no you got interviewed for another

doc yeah oh that'd be cool wouldn't say yes to a lot of these because i don't want to like hey these most these humans that have documentaries like you don't need me fucking it up you know what i mean like i don't i don't need to be a person that fucks up your documentary anything like that but the particular person or persons that I've been asked to talk about, I'm like, absolute honor. Thank you for having me in there. And I think everybody will see some of them very soon. Hopefully. I think.

I think. And I think a lot of news will probably come out of this particular operation very soon. Perhaps. I believe up to something, season came in very early, and it might have its shortest season yet. You know what I mean? Yeah, just like the NFL went to 17 weeks,

you know, got longer, the season got longer. Up to something season, seemingly with the urgency of all parties involved, it's become a lot shorter. It's like a World Cup tourney. It is. One month. Moving and shaking.

March Madness. Bingo. It is. One month. Moving and shaking. March Madness. Bingo. It is being March Madness. And everybody's been incredibly kind to all of us. A lot of things have been said about the boys that I assume the people that were saying them would never imagine or fathom that they'd be speaking about. A group of men known as the Toxic Table and a cowboy. You know what I mean? So it is.

It's been a blast. It's been an honor. AJ, it's been great to have's been an honor aj it's been great to have you back we'll be back on monday after we spend a weekend celebrating old frankie yeah howdy baby frank congrats nick appreciate you fellas we're gonna celebrate frank he's getting married we're happy for him yeah we are this will be his let's go this will be his second bachelor party thank you pack you know what i mean this will be his second one party. Thank you, Pac. You know what I mean? This will be his second one. And this one's going to be one I think, I hope, that people will remember and have a good time about.

Got some things planned. AJ, I think so. I would imagine, yeah, you guys will get into something. Ho, ho, ho. Yeah, you're not invited, Hawk. Was Hawk invited? He said no. Nope.

No, he said I can't go on eight vacations in a row. Oh, yeah. Great to have you back, AJ. I'm happy Shaq said the same thing we all think. You're glowing! Freaking model. Have an incredible weekend. We hope we win all of our bets. We hope that you win all of your bets.

We hope that you say something nice to somebody, make the world a little bit better place. Whenever you compliment somebody, a natural smile is going to start. And what's a smile? It's an aura that lifts the entire environment. Don't be scared to be the person that starts that train. We will see you on Monday. You are the greatest humans on earth.

Goodbye.