The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 880 - Eli Manning, Drew Rosenhaus, George Kittle, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 5, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about The Masters starting tomorrow, all the different news that continues to float around as we get closer to the NFL Draft, and everything else that’s happening in the sports world. Joining the progrum to chat about The Masters, and his thoughts about what the Giants have done in the offseason, his draft day experience, and much more is 2x Super Bowl Champion, 2x Super Bowl MVP, Walter Payton Man of the Year, New York Giants Ring of Honor member, Eli Manning (30:20-1:00:21). Next, a man who has amassed more than $7 billion in deals, Agent Drew Rosenhaus joins the show to chat about his day to day, what he would do for Lamar Jackson, Jalen Carter not taking team visits outside the top 10, and more (1:07:50-1:41:40). Later, 3x All-Pro, 4x Pro Bowler, TE for the San Francisco 49ers, and a man who just had his first WrestleMania moment, George Kittle joins the show to chat about his experience at WrestleMania, his thoughts on Caitlin Clark and NIL, why he loves run blocking so much, what’s in store for TEU, the 49ers offense and all their weapons, and why the 49ers have had so much bad luck over the last few years (1:41:42-2:11:44). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this winter Wednesday, April 5th, 2023, the sports program starts right now. Much mana! Much mana to you boys as well. The Toxic Table at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Done! Cowboys, Tone Diggs is here looking sharp. Thank you!

Thank you! Tone had adult life that looking sharp. Thank you. Thank you. Tone had adult life that he had to take care of this morning, so he did miss the morning Thunderball boys sesh. That was top notch this morning with one of the guys in the back at Evan Foxy. Hello. Hey, good playing this morning. You look super cool today too, pal. Thank you.

Great playing. Thunderball is the greatest game on earth. It's just a more athletic version of pickleball. It's the best. Listen, I'm not saying that good pickleball players wouldn't be able to pick up Thunderball, but our game is certainly different than pickleball. I watched that pickleball slam this weekend with Chris Fowler

on the call, McEnroe, Chang, Roddick, and Augustine. Andre. And his wife, I think. She made an appearance in there. I didn't want to get too many things wrong there. I don't want to put anybody in any jeopardy. Definitely a similar game to what we play here.

We got a little bit more run into movement, I think. They have such good hands, though. John McEnroe is going to start playing pickleball. And they needed him there. He was a massive piece of it. But it was great battling with you boys this morning in the morning Thunderball session. Foxy is the mannequin you

know when you go to a store and it's like the mannequins up there that's his body build yes so he can literally walk you know how people do like window shopping and when you go car shopping you actually see the fucking car like when foxy walks into a store it's like oh that mannequin pretty good i'll take the mannequin whatever it's wearing good fit uh that mannequin i'll take the mannequin's pants over there and the mannequin shirts over there's wearing. Good fit. That mannequin, I'll take the mannequin's pants over there and the mannequin shirts over there. So he's super high fashion. Today, you killed it, Fox.

Thank you, sir. H&M, Target, our store. That's all it takes. That's all it takes. Boom. Dude, he walks right not the underarm. No. No, no, no.

Verify that. No, Devin, we're talking about skinny, white, basic mannequin. Forever 21 mannequin. Yeah. Underarm mannequins, Dewey Johnson, isn't it? So it's really none of us. No, he was a dude from, I think, Mobile, Alabama. I actually met the person, I think.

Just a yoke son of a bitch. Y'all see a leprechaun say, yeah! Yeah, well, that also happened in Mobile, Alabama. I mean, what a run down there. The founder of Mardi Gras, Mobile, Alabama. That's right. Unreal. Anyways, Foxy, great battling this morning. At Viva Lozito's right next to him. Nick Moraldo's in the second stage

there. And also, Dirty. We got Mitt on the phones, on the 5 Energy phone line. 1-833-432-3663. 1-833-4 DIRTY. Yeah, you just said Dirty's name. Dirty's one of the coolest names in the history of people. But also, his graphic design work really taking a next step, isn't it?

Top notch. He's been working out, too. You see him pumping iron in the hot house. Dirty, proud of people, but also his graphic design work really taking a next step, isn't it? He's been working out, too. You see him pumping iron in the hot tub. That'll make me dirty. Proud of you, Dirty. Billy McComas is back throwing weight around in the morning and joining us on stage yet again. Has a locker in the Thunderdome now. 14-year NFL corner, Adam Pacman Jones.

Hey, thank you for the locker, guys. Yeah, no problem. Welcome to the team. Don't look at us. Hell yeah. Yeah, we're lucky to have you. Claps in the back, too. You got stick taps in the back the luck, guys. Yeah, no problem. Welcome to the team. Don't look at us. Hell yeah. Yeah, we're lucky to have you. Claps in the back, too. I got stick taps in the back, too, pal.

You've done a great job. We're very thankful that you've been able to make this kind of work in your life. You drive over from Cincinnati. Hour and a half trip, roughly, right? Hour 40? Hour 10. Depends on the game. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

This will be smart. Especially with tornadoes going on. By the way, weather uh wednesday seems like everywhere in the midwest most specifically here in indianapolis t's and p's positive thoughts with everybody we're scared to death about what could potentially come the doppler is not being nice right now but you have enough time to make it back home after doing the whole show here and run your kids the death hey i saw I saw your kids on Instagram last night. They're running hills.

Junior's going to be a dog. Trinity seemed like she was ready to fucking fight you last night. Good parenting out of you, Pac-Man. I enjoyed watching it. I appreciate it. But, yeah, she called me everything but the child of God yesterday. But, hey, bro, you got to start them young. And I'm teaching my kids, you got to work for what you want.

Hell, yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about things, goals. They want to be the best. I'm just going to do my best and try to do things so they can skip the line. That hill is one of them. It's a hell of a hill.

It's about 220 yards from the bottom of the hill. It looked so far. I'm from Pittsburgh. A lot of hills. I think hills are a great way to train. I think any person that has ever done it would sing its absolute praises. Watching your kids run up those things last night, there was a Cadillac Escalade at the bottom.

Great car. So you kind of get comfortable, right? You start looking around. Your Trinity, your little Junior, you start looking around. You're like, oh, life is pretty good here. And then you got to, let's go, up at the top. And they're running sprints. I loved everything about it.

Yeah. It was a good day. I'm quite sure they sold today. But you got to work hard, man. So I got nothing but D1 and superstars. So I told you that. All these fucking kids are going to be superstars. Hell yeah.

If they say they want to do it, I'm going to push them so they can do it. So yeah, yesterday was the hill day. Today, we're doing them but like band work. So it'll be good. Think Hill day. Today we're doing them, but like band work. So it'll be good. Think about that. Just growing up, got band work and Hills. You know, the guy ran a 4-2-8 at the Combine 14 years as a corner in the NFL is giving you basically the blueprint.

Hey, this is what you need to do. This is what everybody else is doing. When you get older, this is what you're going to be doing. So you might as well just get a head start on all that right now. Generational talent is something that you literally can't teach it's just like kind of all the benefits are surrounding you at all times yeah everything he's saying is exactly why we think in the draft if you can get a kid who is the son of a pro or a brother of a pro you can like if he has the ability if he has the ability yeah a lot of everybody's kids yeah necessarily you know what

i mean everybody's kids are as of late there's been a lot of kids. I mean, Joey Porter Jr. this year now. Hey, where he's going? Probably New England Patriots. In your bra. Oh, Joey Porter Jr. Oh! Oh! We picked before the Steelers, unfortunately,

but probably New England. Sorry, Tony. Yeah, there's a chance. I mean, if you can get a second-generation person, they already have all the answers to all the bullshit that could potentially come. The little things, let alone coming from you, Pat, getting dropped into a top six pick in Nashville

out of Morgantown. All the little tricks of handling life as a professional athlete and as how you take care of your body to keep it going. Such a weapon. You're a good dad over there, Pat. You know that.

We have Eli Manning joining us today in about 21 minutes. Okay. Eli. How about it? Kind of came out of nowhere. Let's go. Kind of came out of nowhere. Eli Manning's joining the show today.

Future Hall of Famer, Eli Manning. Cool. Coming on the show today. Two times. Yeah. Hey, Bruce, what's Eli Manning's nickname? Also in the back there, running the computer in the backboard. Goatslayer, baby. Oh's cool. Coming on our show today. Two times. Yeah. Hey, Bruce, what's Eli Manning's nickname? Also in the back there, running the computer in the backboard. Goatslayer, baby.

Oh, yeah. That's what he's trying to push. Oh, okay. Now, remember Bruce. Victor Cruz as well. I just found out he's in on it, too. What's that? That he would like to push the Goatslayer?

Yeah, he just said it, basically. Talking about him. He's both the goat and the Goatslayer. Whoa. That's what he said. Well, I like that out of Victor Cruz, because Victor Cruz had that fucking cha-cha. Remember he went dancing with the stars? Or was he at a university somewhere in Northeast?

UMass, yeah. Yeah, UMass, tiny. Tiny. They weren't even D1 at the time. Now they are, and they get beat by 50, but still. I remember like, are they really? Oh, yeah, they just elevated to D1, and they get the doors blown off them every single game.

I'm sure UMass has all the NIL money you could potentially need to build that program back up. The next Victor Cruz is right around the corner. There's seven UMasses though and unfortunately the last UMass, the big recruit was Andy Isabella in Arizona. He got drafted in like the third round.

Big time player. It's just since then. Victor Cruz came Monday night football. Was it a Monday Night Football game? Against the Jets, right? With Rex Ryan? I think, right? He scored like three touchdowns Yeah, it was the last preseason game I think he had three or four touchdowns

And think about that, that game doesn't matter at all Except for to Victor Cruz Who came onto the scene and then go on and take over The Goat Slayer, as termed by Bruce Brown and Victor Cruz Would be on the show in about 20 minutes. Can't wait to talk to him. I think he has played the golf course in which there's a big golf

tournament coming up this weekend. I think he has. So he knows. I'm not 100% sure. You would assume. We have to ask him. I believe there's a member of his family that is potentially a member of the golf club that is hosting a member of the golf club. Wow.

Okay. That is hosting a rather large golf tournament this week that all eyes literally in the entire world are upon. Yeah. Cooper. Georgia, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, down there in Georgia. Down there.

Yeah, yeah. You know that one. The only thing down there in the country, really. Yes. Yeah. From what I've heard. From what I've heard. But this place is, oh, it's nice. Historically. Oh, yeah. From what I've heard. But this place is nice.

Historic. Oh, yeah. A little slice of heaven. The way people talk about this place and the way, from what I've heard, obviously, the way it's kind of operated, manicured, handled,

everything down there is just like a piece of, like, golf heaven. Yeah, well, there are two pieces. Hey, this is a golf amusement park pretty much. Yeah. Everything that's great with golf, welcome to this place.

History, like so many stories, legendary moments, in a business sense that I don't think any other tournament or function could ever figure out. They're crushing it down, allegedly, from what I heard. I think Eli's been there. Let's go. So we'll talk to Eli about that and a lot of other things going on around the NFL world because all we really remember about his draft is the fact that he's a gnat and ended up with the Giants. Yep.

He was just a clear cut number one overall. Got into that. Kind of. Yeah. He was the guy. Yeah. Book a man and they talk about it. That's basically what we was talking about the other day when.

Jalen Carter. Yeah. Didn't want to take visits after nine. Well, Eli told, hey, I'm not coming there. That was big. Shit. That's a massive play. Still talked about. It ended up working out

completely. But I want to ask him about his draft process, about the visits, about how it went. Did he know he was going to be one? And if he was going to be one, what was the whole idea behind it? Because we're in the middle of that season right now. Not that that would take place, even though it was kind of being alluded to with joe burrow in cincinnati a couple years ago yeah but how big of a joke does that look like now and we even had to talk about it because the people that were talking about it were pretty important figures

in the bangles history quarterback history and burrows life right so like people mentioning that we're like wait who's saying what and why good and it had there is precedent of this before and at that point cincinnati had no indoor no we know i've gone through it all right no scouting department i don't think no problem like not like literally hey we are a mom and pop operation the head coach also head scout and congratulations potential GM at some times as well. Couldn't need you to negotiate some deals. Now it's completely turned it feels like. And I think Joe Burrow is a major driver behind that

and also Katie Blackburn who I assume you know. Do you know who's running it now? Seems like it's a whole different vibe in Cincinnati. Yeah, Katie and Troy's running everything now. Mr. Brown has stepped down but and Katie's daughter is doing a lot of stuff too but man you got you got to upgrade things and joe is demanding a lot for the players which i totally

respect um something that we didn't have but we didn't have joe burrow so it was only so much that we can ask for as i be who you can afford to be yeah joe burrow yeah yeah joe burrow's gonna ask for the house and it better it better get there within six to seven months because you don't get guys like this often. This guy is like the Eli, like the Peyton. Don't blink about nothing. He's always the same, even keel. He's special.

But whenever the conversation came up about him potentially not wanting to go to Cincinnati, even though he is an Ohio fuck by nature, born and bred in ohio it was like one that you could seem legitimate because the cincinnati report card if we would have put it out publicly for like 20 years straight the whole would have been f f f so f f yeah and then the stories that would have came out what are you guys eating for lunch over there oh we actually get nachos from the stadium like that yeah the stadium nachos that's what we're eating for lunch over here it's like how what this is the nfl is it sounds like literally you guys getting orange slices too it's like well if we get it delivered yeah we have to pay for that type of thing it is that was the shit that was being said now it's like a big turn and congrats to cincinnati bangles fans because they're going to reap the benefits

from all this and same with the bangals who are going to benefit from this immensely because when you invest in something normally the returns come back bigger as well but that storyline became an actual storyline during draft season which is all bullshit doesn't feel like there's any of that this year but I'll be excited to hear what Eli's thoughts are on all of it well I'm piggybacking off like the you know generational talent having kids who put like on the other side of that with eli like the expectations he had going in like i i can't even i mean granted you're a manning you kind of understand that and everything but peyton's already doing his thing you're going to be the number one pick it's like the odds are just so stacked up against you before you even start and then it happens where he like

you know kind of demands a trade if you will will. And it's like, okay, well, if this guy doesn't come out here. Very hateable moves. Oh, yeah, big time. There was a lot of people talking a lot of shit, I assume. And he just had to be like, sit in it and be like, no, we're doing the whole family, I think. Exactly. No, we're doing it. There's Archie.

We are doing this. And it ended up working out. And I think Giants fans are pretty happy about it. Bruce, you love old Eli, don't you? I mean, basically changed my life in middle school. The other crazy thing about when he got drafted, like, Kurt Warner was there. And sure, he was, like, kind of down and out. But, you know, we're talking about Kurt Warner playing, winning games early,

and just the whole stadium chanting Eli Manning. Oh, what a feeling. That's quite a different feeling it probably was on draft night when there was a lot of people saying some negative stuff. For sure. So nice to hear that the Giants took him in early, and he will be forever a Giant, obviously. That's how his entire career ended.

Can't wait to talk with him in 14 minutes. Drew Rosenhaus will join us in the second hour. Okay, here we go. Yeah, Drew Rosenhaus obviously has negotiated over $7 billion worth of deals with the NFL. So whenever we're talking about how there's a certain way about going and doing business with the NFL whenever you're a player trying to negotiate a deal, this guy knows the game. He knows the game. $7 billion.

He's also a guy who's had a few trades this offseason that have taken place. He got DJ Moore in Chicago and Darren Waller out of Las Vegas to New York. Now, I don't know if he got them or how it ended up working out. We will certainly ask him about that type of thing. And also, like, hey, what about the precedent here that we have with Lamar potentially trying to set and follow what Deshaun was able to get for $230 million? What is the real conversation amongst the agents, you know,

and how they have to actually shape contracts? And will we ever get to the point where what Deshaun got in the middle of quite the situation it is wild to even think that that happened with what we're talking about with Lamar right now there's people he wants 200 million dollars guaranteed

get this guy the fuck out of here he doesn't deserve that it's like yo a guy got 230 and he had the most serious allegations and actual court filings and everything. Terrible.

You're telling me that didn't have to do nothing with relationship? More than allegations. Yeah, you're 100% right. Multiple states? Everywhere happening at that exact time. And also, before those even came to light, he said, I won't play here, which could be labeled a distraction. He sat out. Because he didn't want to play there. It's like all those things added in there are allegedly reasons why deals can't get done.

And now you've got this other guy, MVP. Good Samaritan. Beloved by all the communities that he's ever been in. Has been grossly underpaid with the way he has performed, and now it's his time to go. And they're like, this guy can't get fucked. Fuck this guy. How are we supposed to do that?

It's like I could see how Lamar could potentially be very fucking confused about why and how we've gotten to this point. And now, as it always happens, the stuff that's coming out with the character issues that they make up or he's lazy, all this kind of stuff. The recovery, yeah. Exactly, that they're doing just to drive his price down. That wasn't even a topic. We were all talking about it.

We all knew it with Deshaun Watson. He was like, fuck it, give him $230 million. That's what he wants. That's what we need to get him here. And Lamar on the other side, everyone loves him. He's loved in the community. He's literally never done anything wrong, never been a point of, hey, this loves him. He's loved in the community. He's literally never done anything wrong, never been a point of like, hey, this guy.

He's the face of the franchise. He's literally the face of the franchise. There was four teams signed up because they had to agree to terms before they met with Deshaun or whatever. There was four teams who were ready to give up three first-round picks. And knew he was probably going to be suspended maybe the whole year after they got him. Maybe even more.

We didn't even know what it was. Who was the Sean agent? Mola Geta. Relationships. He got relationships. That's why the Sean got that money. Just like Rosenhaus does. Rosenhaus is down there in Miami, in South Florida. Maybe we ask him if he's

ever just, you know, maybe happened upon Lamar's neighborhood. All about it. Say, hey, we don't even have to. Let's get this one deal done and then we go our separate way. he's ever just, you know, maybe happened upon, you know, Lamar's neighborhood. All about it. Say, hey, we don't even have to. You don't just get this one deal done. Then we go our separate way. Yeah.

Just make me a hired gun. I've done $7 billion in negotiations with these people. There's a lot of teams that could use Lamar. Don't you think this team would trade this quarterback quickly to put you on their team? Of course they would. That's the type of shit that agents, you know, try to lay out there. We'll talk to Drew in about an hour. And then we've got George Kittle in the third hour. I mean, we're talking Pac Show. George Kittle

obviously, future Hall of Famer, absolute dog out of Iowa. Now for the Niners, he is a dog. Laid a hand on Saturday. So tall. Helped me out at WrestleMania. Obviously, the Miz pushed a bad decision by the Miz. Bad decision. Just can't do it. We like the Miz. We wanted the Miz to have an opportunity to have a match. He couldn't

fucking get out of his own way. Obviously, tried to leave. Then he starts a fight with a 6'5 guy out of Iowa who's absolutely jocked and wearing a great tank top, which I can appreciate. Had to turn the ref, obviously, because this is illegal, but hey, what the fuck. I admit it rings in SummerSlam.

If George Kittle wants to beat up a guy who pushed him, I'm 100% with it. At a baby, George. Hey! George! George! Oh! Thank you, pal. He'll be joining us in the third hour.

I got a chance to do him and his father have a podcast called the Hidden Pearls Podcast. Okay. Where they talk about life and motivation. And his dad's a coach. I don't know enough about his dad, but I will say his dad is jocked. Absolutely jocked. He's jocked. Absolutely jocked. He's a beast. Fucking jocked.

Yeah. I did the podcast with him yesterday after our show, and he took off his shirt, tanked up. Yoked up. Fucking dreaded. He's doing a triathlon, 31 miles. I pledged I'll donate $500 for every mile that he completes in this triathlon. There we go. Yeah.

Dude, he's doing a 1athlon. There we go. Yeah. Look at him. Dude, he's doing a 1.5-mile swim. Jeez. 20-something-mile bike ride. And then, obviously— It's like a marathon to close it, isn't it? Or like a half marathon? I think it's a half to close it or whatever. Yeah, I think.

That's bananas. It's a mile and a half swimming. He's got like 27 days until it happens. That just kind of came up in the conversation. I was like, hold on. Jesus. What makes you want to do this? Like Phil, CFO Phil, this dude signed up for that fucking marathon in Pittsburgh.

It was like, what are we? After y'all almost died after the first one. That's right. Well, I'm talking about the first one when. You do the marathon. I guess it's all for that. The medal. The medal you get at the end.

Like you completed it. I assume there's some sort of fulfillment where I conquered this city, right? Like this city tried to beat me. I ran. I did it all. But the amount of time it takes to prepare for that. My body and lungs just ain't got it. No way.

Just ain't got it. 26 miles, I ain't got it. So every single step of the way that Phil was doing it, it was a very big like, hey, good on you. Good on you, buddy. Because he's just beating the shit out of himself. Oh, yeah. Four or five months to get to this whole thing. And then he starts the marathon, doesn't finish, didn't even get the medal.

Yeah. Guy had to get taken out of the hospital and just died. Yeah, that's terrible. He's tracking him on the internet. Well, where's this fucking asshole at? Oh, he's going faster than he's ever gone in his life. He was on pace to break a record. This guy was like competing at this

thing and then bang, his number disappears from the race. It's like, must have finished. It must have lost him. Technology sucks. And then hour passes, two hour passes, three hour passes, four hour passes. Where the fuck is this guy? Phil's in the hospital. He has regained consciousness. What do you mean? Run into a pole? No, I think

his body just said, no. Shut down. Just shut down. So then I could see how he wanted to do it again afterwards. Right. Because now there's like a... This thing beat me. Yeah, now there's like a personal... But that first sign up, I don't...

A lot of courage for people to do that. You're super fit. You ever do any of that stuff? No, no, no, no, no. I don't. Bro, I couldn't swim probably, fuck, maybe 200 yards. I'm not the best swimmer. Me neither.

I would probably fucking drown. Swimming's so hard. Dude, they're swimming in lakes. Yeah, he tried to do the tough man contest. He's dead. Yeah. Those triathlons are crazy, though. No joke.

I think Phil's signing up for a fucking triathlon now. He has zero swimming experience. He's not, like, zero. I've never, he's never been on a swim swimming experience. He's not, like, zero. He's never been on a swim team. I guess we took, like, swim class in high school. Who knows if he participated. He had an above-ground high school.

Yeah, he did have an above-ground pool in the back. That was a host of a lot of great times, that particular pool. Nice. So I guess he has swam laps, but potentially played pool basketball. I've never seen him do a he float stroke though i hope he can float he's gonna have to fucking swim like in a lake with other people swimming on top of a lot of chop and that's gonna be waves too right yeah do they have like a life vest for him or something he better get some flippers those little feet no way no way he can do that well that's the most daunting thing you said it like you know You sign up for one of these things.

That's all good and well. It's just one day that you're doing it. You have to prepare for months so that you don't die out there. It's a fight camp. It is. It's a real fight camp. Like, all right, I'm going to commit six months of my life to get to the point where maybe I can complete this thing. What do you get at the end of it? Like $100,000?

No. Sweet metal. Cool. That looks terrible. Okay. It's gold. I'm drowning. I'm dead. I'm done. Think about that.

They're swimming on top of each other, too. Nobody's giving a damn thing about anything. When you play pool basketball and somebody starts getting a little bit underwater, you start getting that feeling of like, oh, I'm going to die here. Think about doing that out in the middle of fucking nowhere. No way. That just looks like lunch for Takate. Yeah, Takate is free down

there in Miami. I hope they're not there. Anyways, good luck to Bruce Kittle and to Phil. Good luck, boys. Go get them. Let's go, Phil. That sucks. I don't know what Phil's deal is, but I love that he's trying to do it all.

Team sports, running is punishment. Yeah, every time. Hey, you fuck up. We're going to run all night. I've heard that in every sport that I've team sports running is punishment. Yeah. Every time. Hey, you fuck up. We're going to run all night. Like I've heard that in every sport that I've played. Yeah. And I'm like,

I don't want to, that's something I do not want to do. So I'm going to perform very well here. Played soccer during the spring for West Virginia. And it was after my junior year, it was after those missed kicks. Didn't know what my future is going to hold. Just wanted to see,

you know, if I could still play soccer. So I went over there. I was not in soccer shape. Okay. I was after those missed kicks. Didn't know what my future was going to hold. Just wanted to see if I could still play soccer. So I went over there. I was not in soccer shape. I was not in soccer shape. So we would have a couple practices and at the end there was like a game. And it was like, alright, we'll play to five. Loser has to run. Okay, I scored three fucking goals in that game. You know why?

I'm not running. I did not. And then it was like, losers and McAfee run because I'm not in good enough shape. So I was like, I wish I would have known that before this game because I just gave everything for those three

so I didn't have to do the, like, any of that type of shit is just like a nightmare to me. So the people that can get past it mentally, too, I guess, mental warriors out there. Congrats. Good luck to everybody. Good luck.

I wasn't built for it. No. And that whole, like, once you run 18 miles, you'll hit that runner's high, and you won't even know. You'll just keep going. I think that's bullshit. I don't think that's real.

I think that is a foo gaze made up by distance runners to try to get more people to start doing it. Or it's just their way to get out of the answer of us going, like, that has to suck. Well, actually, and they're talking to Lazy Fuck, who would never get to the stage far enough. Right at that point. Once you get to 20 miles,

they probably change the mileage, too, by every person they talk to. Tone Diggs, once you get to about 11 miles, you're good. Look at Pac-Man. Once you get to about 21 miles, it's a euphoric high that is bigger than anything ever. How do you trigger a runner's high? Five steps to a runner's high. Run longer. Okay?

An easier duration of one or two hours is a sweet spot for producing highs. That's it. Get more sleep. Eight hours of sleep a night is optimal for endocannabinoid production. Okay, so you can just smoke dope, too. Work out with others. Listen to music. All right, so this is what I've been telling you runners, though.

Like, what you guys are... that's what we just get. That's an easy one. Number one might be tough, though. Run longer? Yeah, just rule one. One to two hours. All right, let's talk about some shit going on. Dan Snyder is open to selling the Washington Commanders to Jeff Bezos.

This is obviously a massive development because people put in pitches to potentially buy the commanders and the only person that got to decide whether or not his team was actually for sale was Dan Snyder. Just yesterday Magic Johnson was on the Today Show or Good Morning America or How You Doing? Up in the Morning on television. Up and Adams.

Whatever the name it is. Up and Adams maybe. I don't think it was that. It was actually in New York. I forgot those. But he said, I got a ring in every sport but i need a super bowl ring he was wearing a great suit and tie by the way very jovial he is a lightning rod oh yeah every time he's on and i would love to be the owner of the commanders to not only do great work on the field but to do the work we could do with the city i think if they bless us mr snyder blesses us with the opportunity to be an owner it would be an emotional day for me. My father just died, so it would be a great moment for the Johnson family as well as Josh Harris, who is the lead partner in this,

to take that franchise and take it to another level. So I'm kind of excited about it. And another African-American owner, by the way, is what Magic just threw out there to the entire NFL, which is very true. He has his LAFC team in the MLS just won. He has the Dodgers. They've won in the past. He has Dodgers. They've won in the past. He has the Spark.

They've won in the past. So this would be, obviously, the NFL winning Super Bowl would be the grand slam of ownership titles for Magic Johnson, who has been an incredible businessman since the day he got money. The thought, though, that Dan Snyder is the person that Magic Johnson on this morning show has to say, please, Mr. Snyder, you don't think that's a position that Dan Snyder is bopping his meat to? Oh, my God. Yeah, right. 100%. Allegedly.

Allegedly. He's on that yacht docked up at Napoleon's home island over there in France, bopping his meat to the thought that Magic Johnson has to get on TV and say, please, Dan, let us give you $6 billion. So now today it's been reported that Dan Snyder told Jeff Bezos months ago that he is okay to buy the Commanders, and Dan Snyder now has a healthy understanding that Jeff Bezos does not control what the Washington Post investigates or writes. He is merely an owner. That's via Charles Gasparino, Fox Business Market Reporter.

There it is. So that is where we stand with the Commanders. Bezos potentially has known that he could get in, has not made an official offer yet. Is he just waiting until the very end to stop with the fuckery and then just going to go $100 million more than whatever the next person is? Or is Bezos not going to be in for the Commanders

because he doesn't want to own that particular franchise that still needs a stadium and a lot of new shit to potentially be a program of the future that can run early? Or even $100 million. Why wouldn't Bezos just say, okay, you know what, $6 billion is what you want. I'll just give you $7 billion. Because by the time I get this money to you,

I probably already made another billion off the stuff with Amazon. That is what Bezos does, doesn't he? Yeah, it doesn't even matter for him. That's not even... He'll be all fucking jacked up to build a stadium and name it fucking Jeff Bezos.com Stadium. Prime, probably called it the Prime House. He lives for that.

It's probably one of the only things he hasn't done is make his own fucking stadium and own a sports stadium. I'm surprised he hasn't just built a city yet at this point, but he's always just on his yacht. Oh, jock. He helped build Seattle's arena for I'm surprised he hasn't just built a city yet at this point. But he's always just on his yacht. Oh, jock. Jock. Jeff says he's always jocked. Super jock. He helped build Seattle's arena for the hockey team.

He helped. The Krocken? The Krocken. He helped with that. How are they? Are the Krocken good? Pretty good. They're going to make playoffs this year.

Hey! How about it? The Krockenhouse is good. Started from a tight shirt with Sean Kemp. Yeah, that is. Well, he had a little self-defense situation. Oh, yeah. That's right. But what do you think about the Commander of Sail, Pac-Man? Yeah, that is – well, he had a little self-defense situation. Oh, yeah.

That's right. But what do you think about the Commander Sale pack, man? Obviously, if Jeff Bezos gets in there, that's a lot of money coming to the league. That's good for players. That's good for everybody. In my mind, I wonder how other owners would feel. Oh, I think they would like it. I think this is – now that Bezos is in and he just came out and cleared up the Washington Post thing,

I think he gets it over magic. But you never know. Hold on. Wasn't Bezos going to have Jay-Z and Matthew McConaughey allegedly a part of his crew? Right? Allegedly. Right. Which would also have another. So think about Snyder going.

Bezos, I did tell you that the new song of Jay and Beyonce in there, you know, hey, we are tired. Shout out Dan Snyder. There's a reason why Magic came out and saying please. He ain't just coming out to fucking say please for no reason. Wouldn't the other owners

want the Magic group, though, because they already own sports teams so they're kind of more aligned with the other owners, where Bezos comes in, and those owners have no idea what he's going to be like. He could be... He's not part of the old guard. He's part of the new money, new guard. He could do fucking anything.

It's interesting, because the Waltons came in. They don't have any other sports teams, I do not believe, except for the brother, Stan, who has every sports team. So I guess they do have a little bit of experience in the sports world. Bezos, I'll be intrigued to see what the Amazon Thursday night package. Yeah. And then the Black Friday game that is allegedly supposed to be Amazon exclusive,

new American tradition is what they're going to, I think, try to start to create this year. I wonder if Bezos will have to remove himself from that. I don't know how you do that, though. Or do he play all his games on Amazon? How will the other owners feel? There's a lot to probably get figured out there. Dan Snyder is in control of it all, which is right

where Dan Snyder wants to be. He's one of the greatest trolls of all time. Joining us now is the man who is referred to as the Goat Slayer by Bruce Brown, who is obviously the Giants fan in the office. I had a chance to play golf with him on a golf course down in the south just a few weeks back. This guy's a fucking stick, dude.

Two-time Super Bowl champion, Walter Payton Man of the Year, absolute legend. Ladies and gentlemen, Eli Manning. Hey, Eli! What's up, guys? What's up, guys? How we doing? Thanks for having me on. Dude, thank you for coming on. I told you this in the text message that I sent to you asking you to come on. I asked him to come on like two weeks ago. Okay.

He wasn't able to come on, you know, and I was like, don't know how I know Eli. Obviously, just got shot down. So I sent another one out like an hour ago. An hour. Yeah. What about a little heads up here? It was like an hour ago. Hey, any chance 1230 you could come on the show?

And I thought I was going to get a negative response. You said, I can do it. So, Eli, we appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you, Eli. Thank you for making this happen. What are you up to right now? It looks like you just got off the course. Have you been golfing, or are you just having a nice little Wednesday here?

I could go play golf you know I'm always prepared so whether whether it's a kid that you know I pick up from school and they say hey you want to go hit some golf balls or I get a last minute hey you want to go play nine holes I'm always prepared you just dress for golf and that way if it comes up you're ready for it I played golf with you at a golf course, and I think it was the first time you were playing with this new set of clubs that you had, and you were fantastic. I mean, watching you hit a ball, he hit this big draw. I mean, it was beautiful. But the people we were golfing with, all they said was,

well, what's that? They were acting as if that was not your normal golf game. Then I believe the next day, you won the par at this particular course, 72. I think you shot like a 70-fucking-5, this guy. Damn. Are you an incredible golfer? Is that normal? And why was everybody acting like what you were doing was not what you normally do on a golf course?

Well, the day before, I think I shot 88, so it's a big turnaround. You know, the golf can be anywhere. Some days it's good. Some days it's bad. I don't golf can be it can be anywhere you know some days it's good some days it's bad I don't really have a rhyme or reason why that happens I think a lot of people have that with golf but you know I'm more more interested in the people I'm with you know getting to play golf with you we had a blast you know get that a few cocktails afterwards that's kind of more you know you got four hours away from a phone, away from any autographed pictures, and just kind of hanging out with good people.

That's what it's all about. It was fantastic. It was a great time. Thank you for the stroke on that par three. It was really a pivotal moment in the battle. And I guess the golf community tells me I was wrong. The wind felt good, though. You know what I mean?

It felt like it was great, don't you think? You don't feel guilty a little bit getting a shot on a par three? It's a par three. How do you take a shot? I mean, you're a professional athlete. You're an athlete. But, Eli, I mean, that particular hole, I think we would all agree, not an easy hole.

No, not at all. Not an easy hole. Not an easy hole, Eli. I know. It's not easy for anybody. That's why you're saying this. It's true. Oh an easy hole, Eli. I know. It's not easy for anybody. That's why you're doing this. It's cool. Oh, I know.

Yeah. Man, three for two on that hole was so nice. I wish you guys would have seen. I wish you would have seen the reaction at the next tee box. Not a positive environment. I mean, it was a bit. It got a little bit more serious there. That was a lot of fun.

You were a fantastic person to share a golf course with, and I appreciate your kindness. Let's talk about golf though. I'm not 100% sure if you've played at the course in which there's a golf tournament this particular week, but I do believe your brother has a pretty good connection to that place. What are your thoughts on Masters Week, and how do you think this year is going to go with allegedly the course being changed and how everything else is kind of faring down there? You know, it's a weekend. I look forward to it. I think it's always, you know, always just exciting. And it's a course, you know, you've seen it on TV every single year. I've had the pleasure to go down there and play before. And so you just, you can visualize, you can see where they are, you know,

what kind of putt they might have or what this shot is. And so it just makes it for so much, so much fun to watch. I think it's, you know, always a little drama now with the live side versus the nine live. And you're like creating like a, some good storylines within the golf world and community,

but you know, all come together in Augusta this week. It should be fun. I think Justin Thomas, it's like the usual guys. Justin Thomas is kind of my guy I'm rooting for. Scheffler's playing great golf. I played with him in a pro-am a few years ago. Just a good guy, just absolutely never hits a bad shot.

And then Tiger obviously draws a huge crowd. I'd love to see him and just have him make the cut would be pretty special. That picture on 18 from his practice round just yesterday was magnificent. Unbelievable. He still got it, it turns out. It turns out he still got it. He draws the crowd. I mean, he's just such an unbelievable figure

and has been kind of the face of golf for the last 25, 30 years, it feels, 25 years. And, you know, there's a reason. He's an absolute stud on the golf course. Cool dude. Behind the scenes, away from phones, everything. You ever get a chance to be with him around like nobody else? I've never been with him. I've never been around him, never gotten to

play golf with him. I know Peyton has a few times and obviously played that match with him against a few years ago. I got to team up with him, but I guess because of my erratic golf game, I never got the invite. You still got that 75 in there, though. I know

the 75 is certainly in there. Justin Thomas is like plus 2,500 right now, I think, to win the whole thing. It's huge odds on him. Plus 700, Scotty Scheffler. Also, Rahm, I think, plus 700. You know, hey, they're saying that course is a little different now. It's a little longer.

You hear that? That's what they're saying. Yeah, but I mean, I feel like, you know, for these guys, the length is not the issue. They hit it so far. I mean, Rob just absolutely crushes drives. And Justin Thomas, all these guys are hitting it 330. They've got to lengthen it a little bit.

They're still – some of them are the par fives. They just – they're still hitting eight irons into par fives. So we'll see. I don't think it'll change things too much for him. Hey, that guy we played with, Mike, he's a player. Mike, that guy's a fucking player, Eli. Mike, he's a player. Mike, he's a player.

I won't say his last name. I know. I did. You mentioned his full name last time. I think he told some people he was on a work trip instead of on a golf trip it was work people actually watch your show pat i didn't know that if you actually watched it they hear his full name and he's like i thought you were working like kind of doing some client stuff he's like uh yeah you know pat's a client yeah yeah that's

not a bad idea and by the way would love we'd love that, Mike, if you're listening. We'd love that to be the case. How're talking like 246 yards away from a hole. There's somebody up at the hole, okay? Headphones on, blowing the fucking leaves, okay? 250 yards away, though. I mean, a long way away. It's not like, hey, can you get out of the way? This dude says, can we move him? Okay, pause this second thing.

Can we please move this guy? I'm like, there's no fuck. Who is this guy? What are you? Oh, yeah, second thing. Can we please move this guy? There's no – who is this guy? What are you? Oh, yeah, you're just going to hit that guy. He's fucking – it was like the Happy Gilmore when he's driving out of the back, shouldn't have been standing there type situation. And then he takes his four iron. He puts that thing to like eight feet.

I've never been more impressed with an athletic feet than that one right there. Is that how you saw that whole thing go down as well? Yeah. You know, I think the amazing thing is every time I ever, like, wait for someone, I'm like, yeah, I'm too, you know, 25 out. And I'm like, well, I guess I got to wait for him to get off the green. You wait, like, five minutes, then get off the green, and then what do you do?

You top it. You always, like, chunk it. Yeah, you hit it 70 yards. He, like, did the wait, removed the guy, and then, you know, thank goodness he did. He would have drilled the, you know, the guy on the green right in the head. He did it for good reason. Like he actually truly believed he was going to hit the green where I'm like,

Hey, there's a chance I could hit this green. If I just totally pure this thing with a three, three wood, which never happens. It was, it was remarkable. I've never been more impressed. And I was like, girl, I love this guy. I don't know who this guy is, but I love it. Let's pivot away from golf here, even though you're potentially going to play around this afternoon,

and we appreciate you making time. We're in the middle of the draft process right now. And I think all anybody remembers about your draft is whenever you move from the Chargers to the Giants. I don't remember. I must have been too young. Going in, were you the solidified number one guy going into that? And did you take trips to teams?

Or how did that kind of process all work out? Because I think all any of us remember is draft night as opposed to the entire lead-up beforehand. Yeah, yeah. I was kind of being told I would be the first pick in the draft. And, you know, kind of after my senior year, through the combine, through everything. And so I did workouts, you know, for San Diego.

They came to New Orleans where I did my private workout for them. Went out to Oakland for a trip out there. And then, you know, met with the Giants as well. And so those are kind of the three main teams. Arizona was the third pick in there. So those kind of the first four teams were kind of the ones that were, you know, that I had discussions with and talked with. And then, yeah, I got drafted to San Diego and about, I don't know,

30, 40 minutes later traded. I was still at, you know, at Madison Square Garden where the draft was, still there doing interviews. During that time, got traded to the Giants. How quickly did that come together, you think, that whole trade thing? There was a draft night that came together, you think? Yeah, it happened within 30 minutes of everything going on. I don't know why it couldn't have happened before that.

It would have been a lot easier on me if it like kind of happened before i'd have to go like through the process of answering questions about san diego and then coming to new york would have made my life a little bit easier but um uh yeah i guess they just you know basically the chargers drafted me and the giants drafted ph drafted Phillip Rivers with the fourth pick in the draft, and then we switched, and there's a few other draft picks involved. That coming together just on draft night is crazy to think about because it's obviously been remembered forever. Ty talked about this earlier whenever we mentioned you were coming on the show.

It's like not only are you Archie's son and Peyton's little brother coming into the NFL, and Peyton obviously has done his thing. Archie's son and Peyton's little brother coming into the NFL and Peyton obviously has done his thing Archie already a legend but now on draft night you're the number one overall pick and you're going to the biggest media market after a trade takes place like the you just couldn't you had to block like how did you that had to be some heavy shit right a lot of pressure I'd assume Eli on on your youngest manning? No, there definitely was. But, you know, I was excited about coming to New York. And, you know, when I had meetings with the Giants,

just appreciated the way, you know, they went about their things. You know, there's no cheerleaders. There's no hoopla. It's all about football. They want to create a great football team. They're totally committed. They have a great history. That NFC East has been around a long time,

which is such great rivalries between those teams. And so I was excited for that opportunity. I think the fact that I had kind of always been dealing with pressure my whole life, being who I was five years younger than Peyton. Peyton was Gatorade player of the year number one recruit in in high school you know up for Heisman trophies number one pick in the NFL I was always that little brother always people kind of looking up to me so the fact of going to New York or being in that uh you know in that spotlight

didn't bother me I just wanted I was excited about going to an organization that I knew was totally committed to football and doing whatever possible to try to win some championships. Did Peyton ever acknowledge all that stuff? You know, like whenever it was all happening, I assume he acknowledged that your world was probably pretty fucking difficult, or did you guys not even address it? He did.

No, he was there. He was there with me in New York for the draft. He was doing some stuff. So, you know, I saw him beforehand. We had a big dinner the night after. And he just said, hey, whatever you need help with going forward, we're going to be in the same profession. I'm here for you.

I'm here for any guidance. He said, although with that New York media, you're kind of on your own. I don't really have any advice on how to handle that. I've never been around it. So, you know, good luck there. Let me know if you can help me down the road in dealing with that media, maybe. You know what I enjoy?

I enjoy the fact that they talk about, like, sibling rivalry. Right? They talk about sibling rivalry. It's whenever kids are kids. You know what I mean? Hey, that's a real deal. You two. Still. It is a real deal. I know, like, people try to play it up for TV. You know, they're like, Eli and Peyton, still competitive. Hey, on that golf course, it felt like there was some real –

it's real, isn't it? It is. It's a real deal thing. You're on that text chain. I'm not allowed to talk about my birdie putt on 18 to beat him that day because that was in March. It's been a month. You're not allowed to talk birdie putts in a new month.

So Peyton made that very clear in that text chain last night. So I don't know if that's a real rule. I've never heard of that rule before. I think he's tired of hearing me talk about it. But anyway, I can't mention it on this show. My birdie on 18 beat Peyton after being down four on the comeback. The wind went up on 18. I can't talk down four on the comeback to win one up on 18 I can't talk about that on the show Pat

how long was that putt that we wouldn't be able to talk about I heard it was a long one I don't know it was like 15 16 feet downhill slider yeah but I can't you know I can't mention it I mean the dry I mean the way you I mean that whole hole I heard now

we can't talk about it's gone it's past it's a history on it's been a month it's a different we're in april now that was in march can't talk about 18th hole too just like two i mean to win it need it too and then the goat slayer shows up 30 footer oh my god what a dog dude so we can't talk about my double on that hole either that month a month ago doubles you can talk about doubles double on that hole either. A month ago. You can talk about doubles. No, no, that's last month. That's last month. We've got a guy named Bruce Brown who's a diehard Giants fan.

He is obviously pushing the Goat Slayer and Dick name in this particular office heavily. Thinks you've earned it, which we all agree with. But you've made his life a lot better. Here's a question for you, Eli. Yeah, thank you for everything, first of all. How do you do, Eli? How are you doing? Thank you, Eli.

as a question for Eli. Yeah, thank you for everything, first of all. How do you do, Eli? How are you doing? Thank you, Eli. Second, I don't think that the Giants have really had a weapon quite like Darren Waller since Plaxico. What are you excited for Darren Waller bringing to the Giants' offense next year, and is there any chance that Chad Powers might get out there

during training camp and show Danny how to throw that fade? Hell yeah. No, I don't think Chad's not making a comeback. I'm done throwing this, Chad. Put him in retirement. Oh, rest in peace, Chad. Hey, let's have a moment of silence, Chad.

It was so hot. And all that stuff. I had so much face sweat going on. It was very uncomfortable. Rest in peace, Chad Bowers. I like Waller. I think he's an unbelievable athlete. I think just that tight end position, especially

they already had a bunch of success last year with using tight ends. I think getting him matched up one-on-one, on some mismatches, on safeties, on linebackers, that's what you want. And so I think it should be a great addition, kind of Saquon, tight end,

get a good receiver. Now all of a sudden they've done some work with the offensive line the last few years. Also, you get weapons at every position. That's kind of what you want. Hey, are the Giants back? Are the Giants back, Eli? Are the Giants back?

I think so. Yeah, I'm on the bandwagon. You know, I always hope I want them to be. I think it's, you know, I feel like that NFC East is just always, you know, each year it's like a new team. Hey, who's going to be the best team this year? So it's always back and forth. No one's out of it for too long.

And so, you know, it's been fun. It's been fun to watch them in the season, make the playoffs, win a playoff game. I think that helps so much with the confidence. And now you're starting to build something. And they're building something great with young players and a good nucleus of guys. So I'm looking forward to another good year.

Danny made himself so much money last year. Were you proud of him watching him at all kind of take place with that day ball offense? Honestly. I was. I was so happy for Daniel. I've known him a long time, still talk with him, communicate with him. He's done everything the right way.

He's done everything they've ever asked him to do. Hey, you're going to have to run it 12 times today? Sure, I'll run it. I'll throw it. He knew he had to cut down on the fumbles and the turnovers. He's done that. He's worked at it. He's been conscious of it.

He's a true professional. He's a great leader. Guys respect him. And so I'm excited for him. I think he'll just continue to grow. He hasn't been in the same offense for multiple years. And now in the same offense, other guys in the same offense around him, get things going. I think he'll just continue to get

stronger and better. How about the Giants maybe being back? How about it? Tomatoes are up for sale, so who knows what that's going to look like. Eagles are good though. They're very good. Eagles are good. Cowboys Cowboys. Big Mike McCarthy's calling plays now. Oh, day ball lookout, pal. Pac-Man has a question for you, Eli.

What's up, Eli? what's up eli what's up pac-man what's going on hey um nephew archie man um he's one of the one of the top prospects or the top prospect how does that go man who give him the advice you your brother uncle how is that going with with that process you know i think uh we're just excited for him. He's already at Texas right now going through spring ball. And, you know, I want to be a resource for him, but I'm never going to be the guy saying, hey, you got to be doing this. You got to be doing that. Some of it, you got to learn on the run. You got to just go in there. You got to be a freshman in college, figure things out, figure out your schedule. But whenever we get together, get to see him in the summertime,

get to see him at different times throughout the year. And, you know, we always kind of set an hour or 30 minutes or happen to be sitting there, you know, eat lunch and just, you know, kind of pick his brain. And, I mean, this was when he was in high school. Just see what he knows about coverages or what he knows about just just talking ball, talking X's and O's. I forgot what you know, I didn't know much when I was a senior in high school about different coverages and different concepts. Now they're throwing a lot more in high school. So it'll be fun as he now now getting into college.

The game is more similar to the NFL and everything going on just to be be able to talk ball with him and see what he's doing. And so I just try to – I send him some text messages every once in a while, just, you know, different things to think about. But I'm just, hey, he's got to go be a freshman in high school, figure things out on himself for a little bit. And obviously he's done really well doing that so far. We've all lost our student ID. Get off his ass.

He's a freshman in college! What do you want from the guy? Jeez, let the guy live! He's looking good in the tape that they're bringing out from Spring Ball. He's looking good. It looks like he fits, too, body-wise. He's a big kid. He's much bigger

than I was coming out of high school. I think he's already put on a bunch of weight. Just getting in the weight room and just being around there. So, you know, it's pretty impressive. He's still a senior in high school, but he's in college, going through spring ball, just learning the offense. So he's committed. He's all in on ball.

So it'll be fun. See what happens this year if he gets some playing time. But I'm looking forward to getting Austin and just rooting him on and just being a fan and watch it from afar. Austin's a great city. How about the Comedy Mothership? That seems to be like the new spot for every stand-up comedian on Earth. I think Chappelle's done like three shows from here.

Austin's continuing somehow. Elon, what, took the spaceships there? He's back out of there. So I thought aliens were potentially coming to Austin, Texas. Oh, he moved? I think he moved. I'm not sure. Archie Manning's there.

There's not enough room. Archie and Elon. You've got to do what you've got to do. Connor has a question for you, Elon. Yeah, Elon, you mentioned Peyton kind of saying you can ask him anything. Were there any moments, like if it was the Super Bowl or the NFC Championship, where you reached out to him? And then also, was there ever any consideration towards the end of your career

to maybe move teams like he did with Denver? So, yeah, definitely relied on him for a lot of things. We talked every Friday during the season. We're both kind of on Eastern time. Actually, in Indianapolis, it was a little confusing. Like half the year, he was Eastern time. Half the year, he was Central. I never knew what time it was.

That's great. I'm like, it's 1 o'clock here, so it's like 11, 15 there. Right? Like, no idea. But we'd always talk on Fridays, just kind of a little recap of who we were playing, what was going on, but also just talk about just life. It wasn't all football talk. But definitely before playing some Super Bowls,

just because your week completely changed. So he played one of the 06 season. The very next year we went. So I just said, hey, how did you prepare for those two weeks? What did you do the first week? What did you do the second week? The second week you're in a new city you're in a hotel i and he was just great about saying just try to do plan ahead and just whatever you you've done on wednesday night for the last 22

weeks make sure you keep doing that and whatever you're doing thursday just keep that that same routine if you get a workout certain day if you go eat with the lineman a certain day, if you get a massage a certain day, just start setting that up right now. So you can keep that same routine and just make it as normal as possible. That thing you said right there in the middle there, you eat with the lineman on this day. Like that's such a big deal. And I feel like your whole family,

that's like, Hey, being a good teammate is a massive part of being a starting quarterback in the NFL. You think that's the old man or is that just how you guys view football? What do you think it is? Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely has something to do with my dad. My dad still keeps in touch with, you know, he has a text chain now of, like,

the freshman class that they all went to Ole Miss together, you know, 1969. He keeps up with his linemen. Let's do a Zoom. Let's do a Zoom. Let's do a Zoom. Those guys were like around. We saw all those guys. So you saw the connection, the importance of those friendships.

And then for me, especially your offensive linemen, it might have been more just I wanted them to block better. Hey, keep these big guys away from me. I'll take you to dinner. I'll buy you whatever steaks you want. If we get no sacks this week, I'll do it again next week. I promise you. Keep the big boys

away. Let me stay back there and have an extra half a second to make some of these throws and everything will work out. You're a great teammate for selfish reasons. It doesn't matter how you go about getting the job done. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. Ty has a question for you, Eli.

Eli, by all accounts, the Manning cast has just been a massive success. We all love watching it. It's just watching the game is one thing, but hearing you and Peyton chop it up, if you're a real football fan, it's unbelievable. Has that process, has it been what you expected? Has it reached expectations? Because obviously I assume that's kind of tough going from playing

to just kind of sitting there being comfortable talking about the game. Has there been anything where it's like, oh, this is much more difficult than I thought it would be, whether it be tech or how you guys are doing it? How would you say that experience has been thus far? I've enjoyed it. I think it keeps me involved in the game of football. I like watching film.

I like to break down really interesting things and see a cool defense or a cool play that you could say it's like you know it's not a base play. This is like a very specific play to attack this type of defense and just kind of be able to point those things out. Just great coaching, great play calling. I get to talk with a lot of the quarterbacks before the games, a couple of the coaches that I know that I've built relationships with over the years. And then I think we've stayed pretty true to what the original plan was.

And we wanted to make it feel like, you know, what it would be like to sit on the couch with Peyton and I and watch a football game. And, and that's, that's still the idea where we're going to talk some X's and O's. We're going to make fun of each other.

And every once in a while, you know, Pat McAfee just pops in, in the, in the living room. And, you know, we started talking with him or we start talking to Snoop Dogg.

I mean, Snoop always pops in the living room with Peyton and I when we're watching a game growing up. That was just like the norm. And so I think we stayed pretty true to it. It's actually fun breaking down some film. I'll tell Peyton, hey, I'll watch these games. You can watch those, and we'll trade notes. I tell Peyton, hey, I'll watch these games. You can watch those, and we'll trade notes.

I leave Peyton an eight-minute voice memo with the notes, what I saw. If you want to watch it, these are five plays that are interesting. Peyton leaves me a 43-minute voice memo with the breakdown of the play. I'm like, Peyton, it would be faster for me just to watch the film on my own and listen to your voice memo and then have to watch the 27 plays that you think I should go rewatch. It's not really the point of the memo. You've got to give me the cliff notes. Don't give me the whole plan.

We're a team here. We're a team. We're working through that. We're working through that. I think he started realizing I wasn't listening to the whole thing. And so in the middle of it, like minute 27, he'd be like, hey, Eli, the code word is the gravy was good. And then we're like, anyway, Baltimore is playing a cover too.

He'd be like, hey, do you hear anything normal or different on my memo? I'm like, no, everything was great. You really broke down Baltimore. So bad. You're not listening to it. You're not listening to my memos. I said the gravy was good and you would have noticed that. So he busted me.

Awesome. It's real. Everything you're saying is like out of a movie. People would think like, oh, that's a script to a movie of two brothers in the NFL. But it's like the real deal. This is better than any script could possibly be, which is why I think the Manning cast does so well.

You're perfect at what you do. Peyton, obviously, 43-minute voicemail. He's in the game pretty much for both teams, you know? So him getting pissed off at different moments is great. I think I've been very lucky to be a guest on that show. I speak for a lot of people. It's better when there's no guest. You two are incredible together.

I think that is the only thing that I think a lot of people would say. Watching you guys, even if you feel like you don't have to host, even when you guys are just both very confused about something that's happening on, we all know, like. Peyton knows that a lot. Yeah, yeah, but something must be happening. He called 63 when I'm out. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, but us watching, we're like. Time management. Time management is, like, his biggest pet peeve or, you know, of a bad time management is his biggest pet peeve in the world. You guys killed it, though. Like, you need to know. It's fucking awesome. It's really good. It's gold. We enjoy the we enjoy the hell last question here from tone i know we're

eating up a lot of your time eli obviously you're with odell uh during his first years and probably his best years uh still a free agent rumored to be potentially going to the jets and partnering with aaron rogers potentially how do you think that would go and how do you think aaron's going to handle the uh new york media yeah y'all y'all know aaron better than i do i think that would go? And how do you think Aaron's going to handle the New York media? Yeah, y'all know Aaron better than I do, I think. Y'all get to talk with him. And so it'll be interesting. The New York media and some of his antics and everything going on,

it'll be different for him. It'll be a lot different than Green Bay, but he's a pro. He's been through it. He's comfortable in his own skin. So I think he'll, you know, if it all kind of plays out and it all works that way, he'll be ready for it. And Odell, obviously a tremendous talent. You know, we had great runs, and so hopefully he's back healthy and want him to get on a good team, stay healthy for a number of years. Kind of, you know, he's still extremely talented.

So I root for him. I hope, you know, he can get back going and just, you know, be even 80% of the version that he was is still a top receiver in the NFL right now. I agree. That doesn't get talked about a lot. Everybody's like, he's not the same Modell. It's like, maybe not. But, like, he's not a guy. He not a guy. He's not a guy still?

I don't know if that's a thing. So who you got? You got Justin Thomas? I'm going Justin Thomas. I'm going JT. Just feel like he's ready. Alright, I'll go... I have a bet on him because it's such big odds. I'll go Rom. I'll go 500

to a foundation. Alright, deal. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. such big odds. I'll go ROM. I'll go 500 to a foundation. All right, deal. Boom. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Enjoy your weekend. You're the best. Thank you, bro. Appreciate it, Pat.

All right, guys, be well. Hey, how about that birdie on 18? Yeah. You can't talk about it. You can talk about it. I can't. Okay, it was great. It was great.

Ladies and gentlemen, Eli Marino. Yeah, Eli! Joining us live from Manatee, Ohio a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, Jesus Christ. This guy. Unbelievable. Where's the cinder block? A Ryder Cup champion, a video game community shit-stirrer, a COVID survivor, and a father

of 10. The all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hawk. A.J. Pac-Man just took some CBD, it seems like, and he is at the ceiling. But it is very high vibes around here. We got a chance to chat with Eli Manning. AJ, do you know that man? I do not know Eli personally, but I did want to take the moment to congratulate him again on that birdie on 18. It sounds like it was a magical moment, actually.

It was a huge deal. Hey, it was a huge deal. I was not in that particular. I was not there for it. deal i was not in that particular i was not there for it i only got to experience the aftermath which was loud and pretty dramatic i will say just because there was a moment of pride there from old eli i i think that was a they were down three i think with like four left or something like that so i think they went on a complete run Did that win it for them or did that tie it? Won.

That won it. That won it. Yeah. I mean, it got real hot. And I think Eli shot a 75 that day. So I think it was a lot on the back of old Eli there to kind of close it up. He had a little 15-footer. He said a little slider right to left.

Not allowed to talk about it. It was a massive piece of conversation immediately after the round, I will say, by all parties on the golf course. You know what I mean? This was one that was far-reaching, so I think that is why one particular party in the group wants it to be. That was last month. Let's move along here. But it was a fun time.

He seems like a great guy, great football player, AJ. Yeah, anyone that you ever talked to when he was playing loved Eli. All of his teammates were like, hey, man, I know he might not say much in the media and whatever they said. He is one of the funniest teammates I've ever been around, and he's always messing around. And obviously the guy brought two rings to New York. Okay, so I actually have similar exact breakdown of my interactions with him

because when he does interviews and with us i think he just i think there was a little there we saw some oh yeah i think we saw some when you see the manning cast there's moments where you know he forgets that he's on yeah yeah he's flipping off the camera right we're going to break it's usually like little comments to eat to paint as they're going to break yeah and it's like you can kind of get a sense of who he is walking around having some drinks with him and then we kind of took a tour of the course that we were at, uh, at night. And there was, I don't know, 10, 10 bottles of wine, maybe I think amongst a pretty large group and just him just out of nowhere, we'd be walking. would come from his mouth that I would just I would I would literally start like crying and I'm like Eli okay this is awesome and then he would always like what like it was yeah you know he's had to be that guy since high school he talked about it though Peyton's five years older

than him like he's always had to probably humble himself I assume because of all the things that are being said and also he was being compared to Peyton as an NFL guy whenever he was still in like high school you know so it's like he has a very good sense of the world I think Eli does even though he's been in this fairy tale land that is the Manning family creating NFL legends pretty much but yeah here's Eli all right baby Eli all right baby Eli Brock Lesnar threw a couple of those on Monday night. Seems like the middle finger might be all the way back. Speaking of the middle finger, Dan Snyder put the middle finger down. Dan Snyder said, you know what, Jeff Bezos, you can give me seven, six billion dollars to buy the Washington Commanders. This was allegedly an agreement that was made a couple

of months back. Jeff Bezos has learned that he is allowed to buy the Washington Commanders, and Dan Snyder would bless him with the Washington Commanders. And Jeff Bezos has explained to Dan Snyder that although he is the owner of the Washington Post, he is not actually in charge of the contents of the Washington Post. And Dan Snyder has come to understand that the investigative reporting and the punditry about how terrible his building has been from the city's biggest paper and one of the national papers, Washington Post, that is owned by Jeff Bezos, isn't necessarily Jeff Bezos writing it

or calling people to write it so that he could potentially get in there. Jeff Bezos has not made an official offer for the commanders, even after learning of this information, if you look at the timeline on it all. What are your thoughts? Bezos is inevitably going to buy the commanders with Jay-Z and Matthew McConaughey

or Magic Johnson making the plea on the today show yesterday about dan snyder please blessing us with the allowing us to give him six billion dollars to buy the commanders this is an interesting situation but it sounds like dan snyder will no longer be an nfl owner if all these tea leaves are accurate well i mean this is dan this is a great situation for dan snyder right he has multiple people bidding billions and billions of dollars for the team that he owns that he sounds like he did not want to get away from it but now the money is going to be so much i would imagine there's a lot of pressure from the other owners and everyone else so yeah i mean why not to the bids though don't they claim their blind bids i would imagine this is going to

whoever the highest bidder is but i know they have to claim it's not uh no because the it was the bolin fund or something it was the uh this one's for pat his family trust or something oh that was the angle where they said we have to take the most amount of money because it's the trust. It's not like that's what they said. Is it Dan Snyder's decision, though, to take? Okay, so why would he not take the House of Better? Well, of course. That's what we're thinking. Exactly.

But I think there's a chance where people. Can they push him? Can they lean him one way? Can they nudge him one way or the other, Raj or whoever? Magic Johnson was on the Today Show saying, if Dan Snyder. Come on. You know why, man? The owners having a meeting they having they talks

between the owners hey who the fuck are you letting in here? and Frank is no black owners right now buddy in the NFL. That's an interesting thing is there any? There's none not even zero. I'm talking about their own majority like what Magic Johnson is doing? No there's not one

that was a move by Magic Johnson to go on the Today Show, by the way. Yeah. In the quote, he actually said, and another African-American owner, so there's probably minority owners, we'd assume, that are minorities in the NFL. We would assume that is the case. We do not know every minority owner around the NFL because some of them, I don't even think, are disclosed. There's some people that have a percentage of a team,

2% of a team, 5% of a team, 10% of a team. Tepper, former minority owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe Haslam was a former minority owner for the Steelers. There's a lot of different people that have already done business with the NFL, have a percentage of the NFL that we don't know. But magic going on there saying hey I am certainly in this game Josh Harris is the lead investor I'm pretty I'm right there in it next

to him that's a big move by Magic and maybe it does sway Dan Snyder to make a baby face play towards the end of this whole thing well don't you think it also looks good it doesn't look good but it it feels good to have Magic Johnson involved in the NFL. We've seen the businessman that he is. He'll be, you know, we'll get his awesome Twitter, his observations about what happened in the games. Everyone's going to be following along. You know, you wait for those Magic tweets. I know they're pretty in-depth and amazing.

They're tackling out here. Well, that's the thing with him. Run around the right side, touchdown. That's the only thing he hasn't been great at. I think in the history of his life. I think he's great at it. Yeah, you're right. He's found his niche.

He's found his niche. Joining us now is a man who might know about the business of the NFL better than any human in the history. He's negotiated over $7 billion worth of contracts with the NFL. He was the star of a SportsCenter commercial or two. Ladies and gentlemen, still killing the game, Drew Rosenhaus. What's up, man? Thanks, Pat. And you forgot to mention at one time representing you. That's one of the highlight of my careers, man. We were talking about that actually in here. I said I was actually with Drew Rosenhaus for a little bit. Drew Rosenhaus, I have nothing but respect for, always replied to me. What I needed, though, was a little bit different than what was happening,

and it was like all good. I think all good literally through the entire thing. And massive respect for you, sir, and everything you've built. You work your ass off out there. Thank you, Pat. The feeling's mutual and great to come on with you today. I'm real happy for your success. And one of the things that I enjoy the most about being an agent

is seeing when some of your guys, when they're done playing football, go on and do great things. And I'm super proud of being affiliated with your career when you played in the NFL. Hell yeah, Drew. I appreciate you too, man. Let's dive into the NFL and the business side of the NFL. side of the NFL. Obviously, the massive conversation piece right now, whenever it comes to negotiating and agents and everything like that, is the Lamar Jackson deal with the Baltimore Ravens. Now, the precedent was set, I guess, with Deshaun Watson with his $230 million guaranteed. Before that, Kirk Cousins got like a three-year $91 million fully guaranteed. And guaranteed contracts,

you know this more than anybody, have been something that have been sought for by players for decades and generations and generations. Do you think this Lamar situation continues with that precedent of guaranteed contracts or ups the percentage of guaranteed contracts? Or how do you think you see it panning out as somebody that is not involved, just your punditry of knowing the business as well as you do? I wish I was the agent for Lamar Jackson because he's a great football player and I'm confident I could get a deal worked out for him.

Pat, I think guaranteed contracts are amazing. And obviously as an agent, we'd love to see all contracts in the NFL fully guaranteed and be more consistent with what we see in Major League Baseball and the NBA. But I don't think you must have, let's say, a five-year fully guaranteed contract to make it work. What if you did four years fully guaranteed at signing and you had the final year guaranteed based on an injury guarantee or one that becomes fully guaranteed based on performance. There should be a compromise. I, as an agent, learned a long time ago, try to stay away from extremes. Deshaun Watson is a very good contract, but that doesn't mean in order to get a great deal,

you have to have the exact deal that Deshaun Watson gets. Maybe you get more money overall than Deshaun Watson. Maybe you get more money than Deshaun Watson in the first year, the second year, the third year, and through four years, and maybe the fifth year isn't guaranteed, but you offset that guarantee by getting more money overall in the first four years. There's ways to get deals done is my point. And Lamar, like any player, has the right to represent himself

as the 35-year veteran of his business. I'm confident I can get with the Ravens and their general manager, Eric DaCosta, and work out a deal with Eric. If not that, I'm confident that I could find another team to work out a suitable deal with the franchise player and try and set up a you know a deal for two first round picks drew aren't you in south florida right do you know lamar have you ever reached out how would that work he would have to reach out to you how would that whole thing no

he doesn't have an agent we've reached out um a couple times he hasn't expressed an interest in hiring us i'm right in his backyard he's's a South Florida guy, so am I. Lamar, if you watch this great show, consider this to be an invitation to hire me. We'll work it out. I'll get you signed, and you'll be a very happy man if you do. Hell yeah, there's hundreds of millions of dollars

at stake here. You know, and the NFL has been doing business one particular way for a long time. You've been doing it for 35 years. You also know other situations. I'm not saying that Lamar won't be able to negotiate his own deal. I'm somebody that I've negotiated my own deals, hundreds of millions of dollars. I've negotiated my own deals, but there are some places where you're negotiating with. It's like, I'm not the right person to be representing me in this conversation. This might be one of them, and you are the perfect human to potentially get in there. What are your thoughts?

And I'm sorry, AJ, I know you had something. Mulageta, you've got to have respect for him, right? He's like the next Drew Rosenhaus almost. Well, yeah, I think David Mulageta's done a nice job in his career, and he's one of the agents that's made a great impact, and certainly he can be proud of his work on the Deshaun Watson contract. I respect a lot of agents. It's not like I'm the only agent that could find a deal for Lamar.

I just wish he had someone that was a professional that does this for a living. There's no way I could go play in the NFL. I get that. I'm not even close to that. Never could. But I'm a very good agent. That's what I do for a living. And I'm confident,

based on my 35 years of experience and all the people that I know and the ability to find ways to get deals done, there isn't just one way to get a deal done. You can structure deals differently. You can structure deals differently. You can structure guarantees differently. You can have signing bonuses and front-load contracts. You can create voidable years.

You can do a shorter term, maybe a two-year deal. There's a lot of ways around this. I just, you know, I'd love to have a shot at getting Lamar signed. Okay, well, good luck out there, Drew. Hey, we're all pulling for him. Because we want Lamar to get a couple hundred million dollars. He's earned it. He's deserved it.

I hope it happens. Go ahead, AJ. Drew, what were your initial thoughts when you first read through Deshaun Watson's contract when he signed that with Mulageta as his agent? And did you have any idea at the time, like, the impact it would have on the rest of the league? Well, I was very excited, obviously, because I think he said a precedent to Sean Watson

that for any top quarterback, it's obviously a wonderful deal, and it's one that the top quarterback should all shoot for. And one of your great guests, Aaron Rodgers, he's been a master in his representation at getting great deals. And he's the guy that should be making somewhere around $50 million ultimately

this year when he's a New York Jet. I'm sure that's going to happen. You know better than me. But I thought the Watson deal was the game changer for quarterbacks, just like I thought the deal we did for Tyreek Hill was the game changer for wide receivers. Yeah, that changed the whole world. It was the big one. You know, we guaranteed the first three years of his contract signing and he became the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history, regardless of position.

I think it helps. You know, when you see deals like Tyrese, Deshaun Watson, it's just another ladder for other great players to sign and to climb and get better deals. And I admire Lamar for going for it. I just would love to see him align himself with people that could help him make the most of this opportunity. Hey, Drew.

It only comes once. Hey, Drew. So, like, whenever we think about Lamar representing himself, okay, and this is if Lamar gets a chance to see this, which I'm not assuming he is, but if he does get to see it. I think Lamar has the idea, and this is as somebody who has negotiated for myself in a lot of situations. He thinks to himself, I know what my number should be. I know that I could potentially talk my way to that number if I was given the opportunity to discuss what I owe, what I'm owed, what I should get. I could give some stuff up. Like, there's a lot of people that are very street smart and savvy whenever it comes to that type of stuff that are also players.

So I respect whenever guys want to do their own business. Fuck, I do it. But with that being said, there is something to what you just having a conversation in a relationship with everybody in the fucking NFL and knowing what situations are potentially available and being able to reach out to them and say, hey, this could happen. Is it all just your network? The way you deliver a message? What is it you think that makes a good agent a good agent well you know certainly i understand lamar's logic is saying hey i'm a better player than deshaun watson and you know i don't have the baggage off the field and i should get a better deal than he got it's just not that simple and you know when we approached

the chief last year about making tyree kill the highest paid wide receiver in the game uh you know, when we approached the Chiefs last year about making Tyreek Hill the highest paid wide receiver in the game, you know, it wasn't that simple for them either because they had Patrick Mahomes and Chris Jones and a lot of other great players and they couldn't make that work. Tyreek, and ultimately we found a first-round pick, multiple day two picks, and it was a bonanza for the Chiefs, and it was a great deal for the Dolphins. Everybody won. Tyreek got, he had one of the great years ever for a wide receiver, and the Chiefs landed a bunch of picks they could use to build on defense that helped them win a championship again. So that's what I'm talking about. that helped them win a championship again.

So that's what I'm talking about. The ability as a veteran agent to talk to 31 other teams and try and find a sweet spot. One team out there has got to agree with me that Lamar Jackson is a franchise quarterback that can turn their team around and help them get to a Super Bowl. I think he's the Super Bowl caliber player. He's an MVP type of guy. He's the generational talent.

There's got to be a deal out there with the Ravens or with some other team. I just, you know, I mean, obviously as an agent, you dream of the opportunity to work with guys like Tyreek and guys like Lamar Jackson. And that's what I live for. Guys like Jalen Carter and so many of the other clients that we had you know this year we two guys in free agency Pat they got the two biggest deals no big free agency Javon Hargrave who went from the Eagles to the Niners and Juwan Taylor who went from the Jaguars to the Chiefs I love those kind of contract negotiations

I'm ready Lamar if you're you're watching, it's back. Hold on, Drew. So, like, whenever the Chiefs and the Dolphins deal happens for Tyreek Hill, you go to the Dolphins. Obviously, you have a relationship with all teams. The Miami Dolphins, I assume, is no different because it is your backyard. I think I've seen you at a lot of games down there when other clients are playing against the Dolphins.

You're in there talking because it is your home or whatever. So, the Miami Dolphins say, oh, we like Tyreek Hill. We think we'd give up uh this and this do you tell them that isn't going to be enough for the Chiefs are you negotiating for the Chiefs with the Dolphins until there's a like a real presentation that you think you get a deal done or do you let the Dolphins make the pitch and then you kind of let them figure it out from there how hands-on are you whenever it comes to like compensation because allegedly what the Ravens can get for Lamar you'd assume would be pretty good but there's really no leverage right now because there's no teams allegedly involved the Dolphins have a great

GM and Chris Greer and and the Chiefs have a world-class GM and Brett Beach but I was a conduit between the two and there were times when you know, Brett was stuck on what he wanted. And there were times when Chris maxed out what he was willing to give. And I was the guy that could bounce different ideas off of both of them. And obviously they agree to the deal. But I knew what they both were looking for. And I was able to encourage both sides to find a compromise. Yeah, that's what we need. They don't need my help. That's what you need. That's what you need, though. You need somebody kind of poking the bushes on you, you know what I mean? Like, hey, let's go ahead and get them out there. Let's go ahead and do this.

That is what you need. That's what I did. Yeah, that's incredible. No doubt about it. Just be relentless. You know, I think there were times when that deal was dead and the Chiefs maybe moved on and they were focused on the Jets or, you know, the Dolphins didn't think that they could get it done. And I just stayed with it and was able to make it happen.

And obviously that's the key to getting any deal done for your clients. And both of you guys had awesome NFL careers and had, you know, made the most of your opportunities contractually, you need agents that, you know, in many respects can keep a deal alive and can get it over the hump, can get it over the goal line, can make it home. Bring it home, baby. Agents are, you know, kind of described as these robotic figures, I think people think, but really you have to be the most, you have to be in with everybody. Hey, you got to have everybody like you.

Now, obviously, they're going to start out liking you because you have an asset that they want. So you're going in on a good front. But if everybody likes you and gets along, you can go like, ah, come on. You can give them a little bit more there, don't you think? This is what we're talking about. And like that whole,

that's a big part of getting a deal done for people to meet in the middle and then bang, okay, I just got $7 billion worth of deals. I mean, it's an incredible thing. We hope Lamar Jackson's listening. Pac-Man has a question for you, Drew. What's up, Drew?

Sure. Hey, Pac-Man, how are you? That's my man right there. We had a lot of great conversations together. Hey, Drew, hopefully Lamar is listening to this, right? I want to ask you a question. I want you, this is going to be rapid fire, right? All right.

I want you to name 10 GMs that you know right now. Just in general. Just in general. Very easy. I know all 32. Just give me 10 of them. The Dolphins, Chris Greer, the Jets, Joe Douglas, Brandon Bean, the Buffalo Bills,

the Patriots, Bill Belichick is really the GM, but he does lean on Matt Groh and Elliot Wolfe in the AFC Central. You've got Omar Khan with the Steelers, Duke Tobin with the Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Andrew Berry, Baltimore Ravens, Eric DaCosta. Is that good enough for you? That's good, Drew. And I hope Lamar listens to this because I'm quite sure he only knows one or two.

And maybe the other two that he made the fucking come by. My whole point about this company. You know, Pac-Man, obviously, i know all 32 gms um extremely well i talk to them on a regular basis at their cell numbers call text them i feel like i get along well with all of them many of the owners i deal with uh many of the head coaches i deal with a lot of the deals that i get done i go to the head coach like uh and andy reed for, is very integral and involved. It's important that as an agent you know the organization. If you name the organization, I'll tell you who are the key components to get it done.

In Philadelphia, it's Howie Roseman, for example. But Nick Ceriani's got a lot of pull with the success that he's had. If you're talking about the Kansas City Chiefs, it's a two-headed monster with Brett Veach and Andy Reid. If you're looking at the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Common's got a lot of influence with Omar Khan, the new GM. My point was that you have a lot of

relationship that Lamar does not have. If you was the agent, I'm quite sure that you can go and try to pitch deals before the tag part probably came right absolutely so you should avoid the franchise tag right so if you was the agent do you think you could have got this done before that and second of all if he was listening to this how much would you charge him would it be three percent%? Oh, no. It's got to be 1.5%. Maybe 1.5%. I got to ask.

It's got to be down there. Let me tell you this. Number one, my fee would be negotiable for Lamar. Hey, Lamar. Lamar, you're doing the business, Lamar. There you are. You're hiring somebody to negotiate. It would definitely be negotiable, right?

I'd have some flexibility. That's number one. Number two, what I believe is I would have gotten a deal done with the Ravens before he would have gotten franchised out because I think the Ravens are very motivated to sign him. I know for a fact that they appreciate how great he is, and I'm confident we would have found a sweet spot to get it done. With that being said, let's just say you've got the Indianapolis Colts out there

and they've got a new head coach, Shane Steichen, who was the offensive coordinator from the Eagles. They need a quarterback. You've got Chris Ballard, who's the great GM, and you've got an owner in Jim Ursae. Pat knows him very well. Pat was the Colt. Ursae wants to win. Say what you will about him.

He wants to win. So I'd get on the phone with Chris Ballard right now, and I'd say Chris, you've tried. You've gone all out for guys like Wentz. You've made moves for Matt Ryan. You got nailed when Luck retired early on. Let's make it happen for Lamar Jackson. Two first-round picks.

Forget about it. This year, you've got the fourth pick. You're going to gamble on Anthony Richardson or Will Levis. They're very talented guys, but we don't know what they can do in the NFL. My opinion is give up that first round pick next year's first round pick with Lamar Jackson's going to be a late first round or anyway, because you're going to be a playoff team with him.

Give up. This will turn this franchise around. Let's go. Wow. Hell yeah. And then you call. And if he, you know, you then text me

and say like hey chris is saying it can't happen i'm like cool let me text jim i'll text jim not that you don't have a relationship with jim and it's like hey you know what we'll kind of i'll negotiate my fee as well you know what i mean my fee in this entire thing but is jim involved in that stuff or is it mostly chris ch Chris is obviously highly respected by everybody and Jim Irsay, but is this something with a quarterback at that level, Jim would have to be involved, I'd assume? I would say in dealing with the Colts over the years, I have not dealt much with Jim Irsay.

I've dealt entirely with Chris Ballard. Ballard's got a real good team around him, good executives. They've got an assistant GM and Ed Dodds so they're a deep front office but let's face it Ursae he's very hands-on we all saw that with Jeff Saturday's hiring last year but I do think there are many teams out there like the Colts where Lamar Jackson would be a huge upgrade and would make a ton of sense. And sell a lot of tickets, Drew. Jerseys. No doubt.

And listen, I'll say this. I'm pretty confident that Eric DaCosta, whatever deal I could get from another team, I'm pretty sure Eric DaCosta is going to stamp that deal and say, we'll match it. I don't think they're letting Lamar go. and say, we'll match it. I don't think they're letting Lamar go. I expect Lamar to be a Raven, but it sure would be nice to get out there and negotiate that contract and get a deal done.

And I think the Ravens would match it, in my opinion. End of the story. Everybody wins. Okay. So maybe they fixed the facility a little bit too. And then they were trying to get OBJ, we heard. They were trying to get T.Y. Hilton a couple of years back. They were trying to get OBJ, we heard. They were trying to get T.Y. Hilton a couple years back. They were trying to get Darius Slay just a couple weeks ago.

They were trying to get, like, it seems like the Ravens have always tried and tried and tried to get in there. You handle Lamar, hopefully you'll be able to handle everything else. You had two guys get traded these last couple weeks. How does that work? Darren Waller just signed a deal. Hey waller just signed a deal hey he just signed a deal and he's a guy and we were just talking uh with eli manning and bruce brown asked the question who's a diehard giants fan eli he said it feels like darren waller's the best weapon

we've had since plexiglas maybe like that's an immediate upgrade for the giants or whatever but he just gets married in vegas was. Was the wedding thing a part of it? And how long had that been brewing? And how easy of a deal is that to make whenever Darren Waller's potentially available to the rest of the NFL? So you're right. We had two clients that were traded this offseason in very high-profile trades. DJ Moore went from the Panthers to the Bears as part of the trade

for the number one overall pick. And Darren Waller was traded from the Raiders to the Bears as part of the trade for the number one overall pick. And Darren Waller was traded from the Raiders to the Giants for a third round pick. We'll talk first about Darren's deal. The Raiders were in negotiations last year to trade Darren. Darren was very nearly traded last offseason. And so that relationship. To who? offseason. And so that relationship. Well, I think the Packers and the Dolphins were very interested in Darren at that time. You think? But the trade didn't happen. The Raiders pulled back,

I think, right before those deals could get done. Now, with that being said, Pat, Darren did sign a contract last offseason, right before the season started, correct myself, where he became the highest paid tight end. So much, much respect to the Raiders for doing that. Darren had two years left on his deal, and they made him the highest paid tight end in NFL history. After shopping him. That's a good deal. Hey, Drew.

That's not easy. It worked out, but I never thought the fit was great but I never thought the fit was great I never thought the relationship was great once you start looking at trades and moving a guy so Darren was open to the trade he loved the idea of going to play with Daniel Jones who uh you know is an up-and-coming quarterback Darren's a real aspiring guy off the field, really talented, a musician. He's got his own podcast called Comeback Stories. So he loves going to the Big Apple. He'll be a big sensation there. And I think he'll enjoy playing for Dayball, who is the former tight end coach who coached our guy Bronkowski in New England.

Dayball does great things with tight ends. So I love that trade. Great things with tight ends. So I love that trade. D.J. Moore's trade was an example of by no means did the Panthers want to trade D.J., but the Bears were smart. They knew the Panthers really wanted to draft the quarterback. They were insistent on getting D.J. as part of that package, and they landed a number one wide receiver for Justin Fields.

Great trade for the Bears. The Panthers feel like it's a great trade for them. Time will tell. Depends how good C.J. Stroud or Bryce Young is if they happen to pick one of those two guys. So, D.J. doesn't mind when you call him and tell him he's getting

traded, or do you know before him? Who knows? How does that whole thing go? Pat, it happened very quickly. We found out at the same time that the Panthers were in tears. Literally, when they called DJ, it was emotional for them. DJ was fine with it because, you know, when a team trades for you, they invest capital in you. And that means you're more valuable. That means you're going to get a new contract sooner.

That means you're more likely to have a greater career with the team that trades for you. So it's always a good thing from a business standpoint when you do get traded because someone is investing draft picks in you and capital. And that's a bonus. Emotionally, it's hard for a guy like DJ. He was drafted in the first round by the Panthers, has a home there, his family's there, loves it there. Human. But you understand the business component. Trades aren't easy, but you have to embrace them

because they can be for the better. Yeah, it's like you get drafted again. It's like you get drafted again almost, the way you said they're invested in you. It's like you get drafted again almost. The way you said they're invested in you. It's almost like a new draft day. Like, hey, you're a guy that is now a first rounder yet again for this new team. You're not only going to be given every opportunity, which he deserves, but also they're going to be like, hey, we invested.

Let's make this work however we possibly can. So professionally, it's good. And we've canceled trades before pat rob bronkowski was traded to the lions he said to me drew i don't want to leave new england come on we went and met with bella chick we talked to the lions at the time the gm was bob quinn the head coach then was matt patricia we told them honestly rob didn't want to leave new england and we worked to deal out with new england The deal was over. No trade. Antonio Brown was traded to the Buffalo Bills from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Antonio did not want to play for the Bills. Instead, he wanted to go to the Raiders, and ultimately we worked out a deal with the Raiders, and we next to deal with the Bills. This was before Josh Allen came of age. So you can shut down a trade as an agent and a player if your client doesn't embrace it both Darren and DJ embraced those trades and we supported it from a representation standpoint hell yeah Drew a couple more questions for you here from the boys go ahead Connor yeah Drew you mentioned Jalen Carter and it was reported yesterday or the day before that he's not taking any visits outside the top 10. How does that decision get made?

And then also, is there no thought of a team that's maybe at 13, 14 that would possibly trade up for him? I can't believe people are thinking for a second that I'm not aware that teams could trade up. Give me a break. Some people have come out and said, why would I do this? Teams could trade up. No, duh. Don't you think I've had 100 teams trade up to take our guys in the draft? I just didn't start becoming an agent.

So what I did, there were teams that wanted to bring Jalen in outside of the top 10, and I called those GMs, and I said, are you thinking about trading up for my client? If you are, we'll follow up with the visit. We'll keep it going. And the GMs were honest with me and saying, no, we don't think we can get up there. So I said, quite honestly, I don't want to wear my client out going to visit teams that you're not going to be able to get them. I know he's going in the top 10 teams in the top 10 have said to me, and I'm not going to identify those teams, obviously, but top 10 teams have said, we're taking your guy if he's there. Why would I send Jalen to go meet a team, travel, rehash all the difficult offseason

that he's had to go through and put him through that when that team's not going to get him? But of course, I talked to the team about the possibility of trading up, and I went a step further. I told those teams, look, if you want to come to Orlando and come meet with Jalen, he doesn't have to travel and go all over the country because he's already got six visits. From the west coast to the east coast, from the south to the north, I'm trying to protect my client. These guys aren't pieces of meat.

They just are shipped all over the place. They're human beings. They've got lives. They're not just objects and robots to be all over the place and prodded in boats. I'm here to protect these guys. Hell yeah, Drew. Hell yeah. That was a great answer.

Come see him. And if they want him was a great answer. Come see him. And if they want him bad enough, they'll come see him. So believe me, I was very thorough on every GM that we canceled the visit was respectful and understood that it made sense. Please don't think that I'm just ignoring the possibility of trades up. Last year we had Chris Salave, who was the 11th pick. The team that drafted him were the Saints. They traded up to get him.

Chris didn't go visit them, and they still traded up to get him. You don't know what you're talking about, Drew. Shut up. AJ had something for you. That was awesome. Drew, I want to ask you about recruiting clients. How is that different now than it was before? Are the rules different?

Can you sign high school kids in some states? Can you go after college guys? How does it work? It's absolutely different, AJ, because the NIL, you guys would have killed it in the NIL days. I wouldn't have made the NFL. That would have been cool. That would have been cool.

But, yeah, so now we can start. We can sign guys out of high school in some states like California. We can't yet in Florida, which is ridiculous. It should be uniform in every state. Guys should be able to get NIL deals, in my opinion. We can start early. We can sign incoming freshmen, for example. So it's very different now.

We used to sign guys that were juniors or seniors and go right to work in the NFL draft. Now we're going to help these guys out really when they first get to college. And I love it because I'm glad to help them make some money. I'm glad to work on endorsement deals. It's about time college guys got paid. Sorry to cut you off. Do you do transfer portal stuff? Your clients will come to you and say, help me get to another school?

Absolutely. I'm involved with that 100%. If a guy needs my help, I'm more than happy to talk to teams about the best opportunities and even talk about the economics. Hey, college football is professional football now. Let's not make any mistake. Hey, you're just dropping right in.

Hey, Drew, hold on. So college football now just is getting the drew rosenhouse experience right now all of a sudden is that you know it man are you behind it right now are you behind the eight ball behind or do you feel like you've picked it up pretty quickly because the relationship uh obviously the players especially being down in south florida i mean jesus christ it's a factory down there of dogs i mean just absolute dogs coming out of south florida but like yeah the college though like the college scene did you have to catch up was it quick and how that's a great

call aj guys going in the transfer portal and you being like hey listen we got a guy he's obviously this this that's a whole new game that i didn't even think about it is yeah we're in the heart of it and uh we love it and and we're glad to we picked it right up and and it was pretty seamless and it's not like we're doing it for as many players in college as we are in the nfl obviously um but i love helping young men and and women and it'd be my pleasure to you know to help anybody that needs me in that circumstance and so i'm now making an impact in college. I'm worried that there's going to be a lot of shit deals that guys are going to sign just because there's new deals.

You know, like I'm happy to hear that you're potentially getting involved in that because my first thing, and they were talking about, I was on game day this year. Very lucky to be on college game day this year as the NIL thing's happening. Very lucky to be there. It's a pivotal time in that whole thing. I obviously run my own digital media, social media business. So like NIL sponsorships and shit like that,

I'm all about love players making money. But I think there's also a lot of terrible deals that have been presented to me at this stage. Like where I am right now, already doing hundreds of millions of dollars in business. Like there's people that come to me with terrible deals. And it's like, if i was an 18 year old and who would i have a reliant tim mcafee so tim mcafee and sally mcafee are the people that

i'm gonna ask hey is this a good deal yeah you're getting a thousand yes this is a good deal like i think there's a lot of that potentially that could take place so i wanted like you know i think everybody was like we need some uh guardrails on this and they're like well we need some guardrails on this. And they're like, well, when you say guardrails, you're saying that you don't want players paid? It's like, no, I would like players not to get fucked. I'm coming from a much different standpoint. So I'm happy to hear that you're diving in there because you're probably going to save a lot of people from a lot of terrible deals that some person thinks that they can kind of prey upon, like some of these young people that don't know business as well so i'm happy you're doing that thank you yeah no doubt about it i mean in in all levels of representation it's nice to have experienced people that can help you and i think this will be one of the positives you'll see more and more top agents getting

involved in helping college players with nil deals And if you want to be a successful agent in the NFL or basketball or major league baseball, you better work in NIL because otherwise you're not going to get to these guys. They're going to have agents now. They're signing these guys when they're graduating or they're juniors. That shit's sailed. We have to get to work earlier. So you got to roll up your sleeves in this business and get to work, guys. And you do that. Last question here from Ty. We appreciate you.

Drew, obviously your job is to get your client in the best position available and get him the most money. But like when you look at like a free agency and let's say like the market is a little bit down, how difficult is it kind of managing and setting expectations for guys when you maybe know, hey, yeah, you're worth this amount, you believe you've earned this amount, but the market just dictates that you're not going to get this amount? How difficult is that process? It's really hard. I mentioned guys like Javon Hargrave and Juwan Taylor where the market was awesome for them.

We exceeded expectations, but we also have guys in free agency where the market isn't what you think it's going to be. You have to make the best of it. I was hoping the wide receiver market would be stronger this year, and it wasn't. We had to make some tough decisions for guys like Jacoby Myers, and we still wound up getting a great deal for him with the Raiders. You just have to be honest with your clients. You have to tell them

it's sometimes not what you think your value is, not what you think the market should be, but what the market really is. What are teams willing to pay you? That's the reality. It's not what we think we're worth. It's what is someone willing to pay you? And the sooner you can accept that, the better deal you're going to get. That's an all business, by the way. Your value is what somebody's willing to pay. That's why when a deal gets done, it's like somebody had to put their money where their actual mouth was. So anytime you get a deal done, you should celebrate. You should enjoy it.

And you've had a shit ton of them. Good luck with everything, Drew. What's next? The draft, obviously. Who do you got? We got the draft. Still have a shit ton of them. Good luck with everything, Drew. What's next? The draft, obviously. Who do you got? We got the draft. Still have a lot of free agents. Obviously, college recruiting and NILs year-round.

Love this business, man. How old are you, Drew? I'm 56 years old. I've got four kids now, Pat. Holy shit. Four kids. Whoa. Drew.

Seven, four, two, and I just had another son one month ago congratulations happy birthday to the new son you're still killing it man incredibly proud of you you're uh you're an inspiration thanks again guys have a great day ladies and gentlemen drew rosenhouse joining us now is a man that is on the San Francisco 49ers football team. What? Hell yeah. Yeah, one of the faces of the San Francisco 49ers. He's a future Hall of Famer.

He's an absolute dog out of Iowa. The Iowa Hawkeyes legend and I got a chance to chat alongside his father on the Hidden Pearls podcast just yesterday that I believe will be coming out in the next week or so. An absolute stud. A man who saved me and helped me at WrestleMania on Saturday. George fucking Kittle. Yeah!

George! What's up, boys? What's up, George? Hey, you and that tank top on Saturday. You were yoked, dude. Huh? Shredded. What?

I'll roll it out for you. Jeez. Hey, are you always always i saw your dad your dad took your dad took his shirt off uh and had a tank top last night on the hidden pearls podcast and then we got to see him after wrestlemania he's a strapping lad dog are you have you always just been yoked shredded or are you like in peak shape right now that you've all like how what is because you are it's got to be like four% body fat, six, five, just fucking a monster. And he can move. Like, why are you the way you are?

And have you always been like this? Uh, no, I was actually, uh, a small, small human being up until basically my junior year of high school. Actually. Yeah. Junior year of college. Really? I had a two inch growth spurt, but like, I, I was like 170 pounds in high 170 pounds in high school six foot one um why and then i ran i had a growth spurt in college

i grew like two and a half inches and gained 70 pounds that helped a lot i'd say yeah because you still got that little guy athleticism right and then your body just kind of gets bigger and stronger and faster yeah basically yeah so i mean i appreciate the six five i'm combine got me in at six three and five eighths shout out no no help there six three and five eighths and uh 245 pounds ish bro they push i know right yeah they push you down at the combine the nba wants you taller put on the highest shoes you got the nfl is like not be as small as you fucking can we don't care at all they put you in they put you in a divot so you're even shorter than they say you are.

It's tough. You're walking around at 6'5", though, you put some shoes on. You're a monster, and on Saturday you looked fantastic. Go ahead, AJ. George, I just wanted to ask you about WrestleMania. Was it what you expected? Obviously, I thought you did an unbelievable performance. I mean, I think Miz might be hurt. I think he's legit hurt from

what you have done to him and jumped around that ring. Everything you were doing, how did you feel? Was it was what you expected i guess well i mean it was a wonderful experience like wwe is one of the coolest companies i've ever done anything with like their uh their hospitality is above and beyond they just treat everybody so well uh the shows they put on are amazing wrestlemania is one of the coolest experiences like if you've never been to wrestlemania if you don never been to WrestleMania, if you don't even watch wrestling, WrestleMania is an incredible experience.

Worth it. You got to do it at least once. It's, it's nuts. So that, that part was awesome. Like, I know me and Pat talked a little bit yesterday,

you know, I've been pestering him for a while about, you know, wanting to get in the ring, help him out if he needed anything. So I didn't know that, Hey, I have your back.

If anything happens and shot me a text last week, I go, Hey, I might need you at WrestleMania. I might not. I'm not sure. Just letting them know that, hey, I have your back if anything happens. And he shot me a text last week, like, hey, I might need you at WrestleMania. I might not. I'm not sure. Just be ready. So I've been wearing that black tank top you're about to see for about two weeks. And just in preparation. Just ready in case something happened in the middle of the day, workout-wise.

And then I had my opportunity because the Miz used his side of the mouth off. Thought he was tough enough. Could push me out of my chair. My wife said, hey, go in there and kick his ass. I'm not going to let my wife down, so I had to go on there and back up my guy, Pat. I appreciate your wife saying that because it certainly helped me. He did try to make you a little punk bitch, didn't he?

I mean, he was like, you're behind the banister. He was quitting a match at WrestleMania. All I wanted, and as soon as I heard there was an open challenge, I'm like, now's the time. I've been sitting in this bus eight hours for this moment to potentially arrive. We didn't know when it was

going to come, if a moment was going to come. But if it came, we're going to be ready, much like you. So he says, I have an open challenge. It's like, I sprint from the bus to Gorilla. I say, excuse me, can you please play my music? I would like to go. Answers challenge. They say, you got it. So we go out there, you know.

And I thought it was a win-win. Because I get a chance to say hello to the beautiful WWE Universe again. Of course. A group that I've missed while I've been incredibly busy with everything we have going on. And I can't wait to get back yet again. Because everything you said, that place is fucking fantastic. But also, as a massive Miz fan, I get a chance to see The Miz have a match at WrestleMania. He deserves that.

The Miz, WrestleMania, the world deserves to see The Miz at WrestleMania. It was a win-win. I've never seen a win-win like that. No. Just so available, just right in front of my eyes. And it's like, well, I'm not going to miss the opportunity. And he was going to quit. He was going to leave. Yeah, he's gonna leave and george you were member of the wwe universe ms fanny go ms get your ass back in the ring dude we all want to see you work right you know what

you were saying i was just like hey man the people want to see you go in there the people want to see you go in there now i will say pat when i heard your music kit i knew that hey this is my one shot at an opportunity. So may I, I might've triggered the Miz into hitting me. So I had an excuse to get in there. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm just learning this,

but I didn't say anything to me. And I said, Hey, I said, miss, get in there, give the people what they want. And then he told me to shut up.

And I was like, don't say that to me. And he shoves me. I was like, what do we, what are we doing? What do we do? I thought this was a respectable business.

Well, I thought we were friends. I'm a fan of yours, actually. Watch on Fear Factor with Rogan way back. That's right. Challenge. Saw you in real world. I mean, I'm a fan. And then as I distracted that ref, because we would have been disqualified.

I would have been disqualified so quick. You hit him so hard. You hit him so. And I know that, you know, you have a couple moves just in the back pocket just in case. There was some confidence. You know, you have a couple moves just in the back pocket just in case. There was some confidence. You know, the clothesline is not an easy thing. No.

You know, to really. Felt like you hit it pretty good, right? I feel like you felt pretty good on the contact there with Ole Miss. I used the same tactics as I do for football. I visualized the move that I was going to want to use. And then I wanted to do more, but when I heard his lifeless body smack it, I was like, ah, I don't need to hit him anymore other than that. He's going to be okay, and I will be able to finish it.

Yeah, I heard the wind leaving his body. His soul just exhaled, and I was like, ah, it's over for him. He doesn't have any more left in the tank. And then he punted his face off. Well, you're also directing traffic. You're like, hey, you know what? Saw you last year at WrestleMania Dallas. Like, hey, you can go.

Why don't you go up to the top? He said, I'm like, I mean, I don't want to let down George Kittle. That's good. I don't want to let down George Kittle, especially after what he did. So I get up there. I realize it's a lot higher than I thought. And I have this 110 Bombini, obviously, through Miz's chest. I appreciate.

Did I get you? Well, You're the WWE superstar, so I would just let everyone know how strong you were in that jump right there. He's a worker. He knows. You understand the put-over, everything like that.

You get the biz. I will say this. I was not going to let you jump higher than me, though. There's no chance. Did I not?, I didn't. A little close. It might have been a conversation beforehand, too. Like, hey, if we ever do anything cool together, let's maybe...

Ah! Look at your shoulder. It is a bump on. Damn it! I mean, he's 6'4". He's bigger, though, so you jumped further, right? He's 5 there. I jumped into him a little". He's bigger, though, so you jump further, right? He's 5'0". I jumped into him a little bit more. George, you're a freak, dude.

You're a physical specimen. You're perfect for the WWE world. You almost got us disqualified there. I almost did where I was like, hey, help me out here. Thanks to the ref for being cool about it. Yeah, absolutely. That's a little feel. That's a little feel by the ref.

Like, hey, listen, there's no reason for this. Hey, best refs of the weekend, honestly, at WrestleMania. Hey, you ain't lying. That fucking women's college basketball. Yeah. I know you're from Iowa, so obviously heartbreaker. Hell of a run, though. Hell of a run by the girls.

And I'm a fan. Kaitlyn Clark is actually coming to West Virginia next year. Don't listen to him, George. I've been in the fucking trenches all week trying to say she's a Hawkeye. True and true, through and through. There's no way she's leaving Iowa. She's not leaving, Pat. There's no way.

I don't know. West Virginia has an alumni. I didn't graduate, so I don't know if I'm an alumni or not. But West Virginia has somebody who has, you know. They got some big fun. And some real reckless pockets, you know, and is a big fan. Big fan of Gail. Hey, she was awesome.

Hey, Pat, let's just say you know i don't know how all the nil recruiting stuff works in college but let's just say like alabama football wanted caitlin clark like that type of pocket what do you think they would pay her to go play at their college i don't know that's curious we've had that conversation like we actually tried to figure that out because she would be the person right that everybody would she just she immediately puts your school on primetime games you know like everything because of how fucking great she is angel reese as well and flage 900 and some thousand so you would think she would get a little bit more than her allegedly she's already making three million let's go wow dude we can top

that hell yeah that's in iowa you guys don't care for it i know you're from there million. Let's go! Wow, dude! We can top that. Hell yeah! That's in Iowa. You guys don't care for it. I know you're from there. I think she's a Nike athlete. She is so good, dude. That was fun to watch. That women's college. Your wife, right? Isn't she? Yeah, my wife played at Iowa. She played there for four years. That's where we met. She's an also

stud. Kicks my ass to the horse every time. Hey, no, but that's my first time really diving into the women's college of basketball experience i started with the miami indiana game uh when miami won in bloomington and it was on late night in middle of the week and i'm like what is this and it was fucking awesome it was an electrifying environment because they have home games, you know, for the tournament and seeding. So then I turned on the next game I happened upon, this Kaitlyn Clark was playing. And I'm like, holy shit, she looks like that gif where that one guy's at the pop a shot.

That's literally what she looked like playing. I'm like, this is awesome. And then you meet the LSU team. There's a girl on there that's a rapper who is a better rapper probably than anybody that's rapping rapper who is a better rapper probably than anybody that's rapping right now unbelievable in the business and she like it was women's college basketball was awesome the last couple weeks i don't know if that's how it always is i assume it is you've kind of been in that world i guess george with the wife yeah i actually when i was

in college i would go to uh my wife's team claire they were actually really good and they were always like in the last round of the semi-finals championship the big 10 tournament so i'd always drive to chicago or indianapolis and i'd go to all of their uh the whole tournament just drink as much beer as i possibly could and support the treatment people it was really fun yeah always guy well always good iowa women's basketball is always good they're always uh about like i mean they're always there i would say like top four in the big 10 in my opinion they've always been pretty talented hell yeah go ahead agent george you said you had a late growth spurt when you got in college what was it like when you went from high school to college in that strength program i know they have a crazy strength program there like that's what you guys

do you develop you develop people you develop players what was it like was that eye-opening uh yeah i mean i went from i said like my first i graduated 180 pounds i got up to like 195 before i got to college and i was there for that first summer um it took me like two years to get over 225 but like that whole process of hey um you don't like you have to put in so many hours yeah there i am 180 pounds my letter of intent that was fun with my dad hold on though like if you're looking at like a puppy dog you look at the paws you know and it's like this dog's gonna grow big mitts look at your fucking mitts dude you're here did we know you were gonna grow did we assume or did you think that was it well no i mean my dad was he played on left tackle at

iowa so like he was 6'4 280 285 and then my mom is a two-sport hall of fame athlete in the state of Iowa for high school softball and basketball so like she's a freak athlete too um and so like yeah I knew I was going to go into it grow into it just I didn't know when and so like I feel like I hit puberty at the age of 21 23 somewhere in there just took me a minute well i think it all worked out and now that his wife is uh women's basketball player hey good on you shout out to iowa dude shout out to fucking iowa pac-man has a question for you george uh big bro i mean brother how was the wrestling first because we had a conversation um i think it was super bowl weekend about how geeked you was about it um oh dude i mean i don't get to go to a lot of wrestling stuff in san jose during the season at a good time or if it just happens to be rolling through nashville but like when i can go

to those experiences it's awesome especially like wrestlemania is planned out on my schedule at the start of the like like i know a whenever wrestlemania is next year i'll be there nothing can be scheduled that weekend i'm going to be there as much as i possibly can be like i said it's just such a fantastic event and like my one of my favorite moments of wrestlemania past like last year when you were in when we were in dallas i played a playoff game in dallas with the niners we beat dallas in dallas and like that statement was so loud and then stone cold comes out and asks if he should be in a match give me a hell yeah and i'm sitting down on the field because there's an extra like 20 000 people because of that it was the loudest stadium i've ever been

in my entire life like i've never been anywhere like that it's like any football game i've been to whether it's seattle whether it's um dallas i mean there's like some great stadiums but like there was kansas city's really loud like that was the loudest experience i've had on a football field was a wwe event and that's why i'm addicted i have to go back all right you're gonna have mccaffrey the whole year this year um you had him for half of the year last year how you feel about that i think that'll take away the double team um on your well i appreciate that and i hope it does because if you're gonna double team me and then you have to single-cover Debo, Brandon Iyuk,

Christian McCaffrey, Juan Jennings. Hey, good luck, man. Good luck. If you want to do whatever you want to do. Hey, if I have one catch a game, I know my fans and football coaches will be really mad at me for that. It is what it is. As long as we're winning games and we're feeding the right guys the ball,

I'm never going to get mad if Christian McCaffrey has 20 carries and 10 catches for 300 total yards. I'll never be upset about that because he's such a talented football player. So it's really fun to be on a team that does have a problem of like too many miles to feed because Coach Shanahan does such a great job of scheming everybody into like getting certain plays and stuff. And it's just really fun to be a part of an offense like that that has so much talent on it.

Your dad was left tackle, you said? I didn't know that. Is that why you're such a good road grader and why you think you have the mentality of like, yeah, if I don't get the ball? Because I think when Brock Purdy came in, that's when you started like two tuds, two tuds, tud, tud, tud.

But at the beginning of the year, you were still the same George Kittle. You weren't getting the ball as much. It seems like that doesn't affect you at all. But in the world that we're in, you're going to be judged for how many touchdowns you catch. Why do you think that is? Well, I'll say this.

Like back when I was, what, I've been like fifth grade football, my dad was our coach, tackle football. And the only drills that we did, the entire team would have pads, blocking pads, so you can't see my upper body. And we'd all do O-line blocking drills. Everybody, whether you're a running back, a quarterback, blocking pads, so you can't see my upper body. And we'd all do O-line blocking drills. Everybody, whether you're a running back, a quarterback, wide receiver, DB, corner, like whatever it was, we're all doing O-line drills. And he'd always tell us, he'd be like, hey, you're all going to try your best to play

opposite line, but not all of you are going to be good enough to play opposite line. And you're going to have to play another position like quarterback or wide receiver or running back. And that's okay. And we'll still like you. But O-line is the best position in football so that was my mindset growing up and so now when I got you know when I got to college and one of the first things the coach said to me was if you because I was 200 pounds like if you don't learn how to run block you'll never play here and I was like okay well

and then run blocking at Iowa I mean you get like 150 reps a day of just running into people every single day and so I was like well I'm either to learn to love this or I'm going to hate my life every single day. And so I just went into it with the mindset that I'm going to love this. I'm going to be better than anyone else at it. And that's kind of my mindset now. It's that if I'm not getting the ball, I'm going to influence the game and the run game. And I'm going to make the guy across from his life living hell.

And so then when I do get the opportunity to do a play action or something like that, I'm going to get into the zone. I'm going to catch the ball. I'm going to run. I'm going to score. Or, or hey you need me to pass throw a guy who gets paid 100 million dollars on third down bring it i cannot wait i can't wait to be i can't wait for you to be on my highlight reel where i block you and lock you down because no tight end should block a defensive end is what everybody always says i take that personally because i can block anybody nick bost is really difficult to block but thankfully he's on my team yeah he is team. And it seems like he's going to be on your team for a long time.

I was the same way about a punter tackling somebody. I knew that the meeting the next day was going to be a nightmare. And that was kind of my framing in my mind. You have a great mindset. And after chatting with your dad on that Hidden Pearls podcast, it's almost like you've been preparing to be a professional athlete and a great teammate for a long time. I'd assume your dad's been the way he is now for a long time. That team over there, you talk about having too many miles to feed. You got 14 quarterbacks right now. Like it is, it is a fast.

Yeah. Keep going. You can play. I heard you could take a snap. That's okay. I'm okay to have 14 quarterbacks because we went through four and a half last year. We still didn't have enough.

So let's just have as many as we can on the roster nfl let's open it up you know apparently we need it it is what it is you know as long as we have something that could throw the football it's okay it's a wild okay hey that first quarter and i know you have to hate talking about it but like it's that was the least lucky quarter i think i've ever seen a team have ever ever quarterback see you later to the elbow uh fred warner uh pops dislocates his shoulder on like the first play davante smith uh uh four down drops the ball oh yeah and review it and then it's first down we're good to go bosa gets hit by somebody on a punt team getting tossed on the sideline, which could happen literally any time. The cleat slices like an actual muscle in his leg so he's not as explosive.

And then backup quarterback gets hurt. That's all happening in one quarter in the NFC Championship game. It's like, that's a fucking heartbreaker. So hate that. I have to bring that up to you. I do hate that I have to do that. But you like i i do hate that i have to do that but your team is there like you guys are there to win a super bowl you have been for a long time it just feels like you're unlucky at one particular position how do you guys handle that you just have

to be like yeah whatever next man up is cool because this is numerous years in a row now where it's been so damn snake bitten it, it feels like, at one position. It happens to be the one that matters the most. Yeah, I mean, I realized this after this season, I kind of look back at my career, and I just finished my sixth year. I've had one year with one quarterback. That was 2019. We went to the Super Bowl.

Besides that, I've had two or more quarterbacks. 2020, 2021, I had Jimmy G and Trey Lance play one or two games for us, and we had Jimmy back for the playoffs. But besides that, I've had three or more quarterbacks every year of my entire career. Damn. And so would I prefer to have one quarterback that starts the whole season?

Yes, because it's really fun to build, like, just get in the same mood, get in the same wave with that quarterback. You know, you run the routes, how he's throwing the ball. You just kind of get in a groove with each other. That part is really fun. However, I don't really mind playing with multiple quarterbacks because a lot of the guys, I mean, everybody that we've had,

I've enjoyed playing with. Like even when Josh Johnson came in, I didn't really have doubt. I didn't have doubt in my head. I'm like, hey, well, hey, I've played catch with Josh before. He's thrown me the ball before. I'm not really worried about it.'s an nfl quarterback he's on he's on the team for a reason like we're not just gonna have really bad athletes on our team like and so like hey is is he the number one choice no but hey he's on the team he knows the playbook

and he's gonna and he's an nfl quarterback he can throw the ball like we completed a really nice third and long he threw me on a nice out route and i'll say hey we're gonna roll and then the next play he gets in concussions out. And then you're like, all right, well, that's aggressive. But it's just I'm okay with playing with multiple quarterbacks. I've gotten used to it. Would prefer one healthy one. And, like, you listed, yeah, we had a random snake bite.

That's just the most venomous thing possible. I will say this. Like, what's funny, after the game, I had, like, people telling me that, hey, Warren, you didn't show up on the stat sheet. I was like, I wonder why we couldn't throw a football. It's not really my fault. Secondly, they're like, hey, you just need to work harder next year. I'm like, this has nothing to do with working hard, man.

This is just severe unluckiness because, I mean, our team, we were primed. We were prepped. We were ready to roll, ready to hit people. And then it's just, hey, shit happens. Life is really hard sometimes. And, hey, how are you going to bounce back? Am I going to let that be a sour taste in my mouth for the rest of my season, like for the rest of the year?

No. I mean, it took me like a month. I flushed it. I'm good. I'm excited. I'm healthy. Ready to roll again and hit people in the face. Team's really good.

Love that you're back to hitting people in the face. We were worried about you there for those three weeks. Yeah, yeah. Those three weeks. Connor has a question for you, George. Yeah, George, you had the tight end you shirt on at wrestlemania that's coming up i believe what's the plan there are there a lot of young guys coming in because allegedly this draft class has a bunch of tight end studs and will you guys be going over

some of that blocking you mentioned like in pop warner you're just catching passes drinking beer a beer well we are gonna do a lot of that catching passes um smart and then i'm also gonna um we've got some young guys coming in usually in years past we haven't invited too many rookies just because like if you don't include the rookie class there's like at the end of the year there's like 130 tight ends that were on a roster at some point and i try to invite everybody that was on active and a lot of the practice squad guys. And I want to like, I don't want to invite too many rookies to take away from the guys who've

been in the league and who have like practice and gone through a full season, but there will be some rookies there. Like Michael Mayer was a, he was a college tight end that was there for one day last year and was able to do some stuff with me and Greg Olson. Laporta, you know, he's my Iowa guy.

I'm probably going to get him in, but yeah, there'll be some rookie guys there But besides that, we're going to do a lot of run blocking stuff I always do a run blocking class Because I want to make an emphasis of it Because I don't really like watching tape When tight ends are getting tossed around

And I get that, you know, defensive ends You look at a guy like Jacksonville Josh Allen Not Buffalo Bills Josh Allen But that dude's a specimen He's like 6'6", 280, can bench press a house. But you still have to be able to block guys like that, and I don't want to be a liability for my team, and I don't want other guys to be a liability for their teams

because I want every tight end to have 10 touchdowns on 1,000 yards and get paid $17 to $20 million because all it does is just pick us all up, and then we're just going to keep escalating that market. So I want everybody to play at a high level. So, yes, we're going to do a lot of O-line stuff. I'm very excited for that. Some footwork stuff, some techniques, set up hands, aiming point, first, second step, and just being aggressive and violent.

Hey, it's bad for the brand of tight ends. You guys start getting dummied out there. And then it's always highlighted. And then everybody says what you said, like, tight ends should not be blocking us. And George is like, well, we are. So we need to stop looking terrible in slow motion to make a point that people think they're sticking up for us

really it's a tight end just getting fucking body bagged oh yeah in a physical part of it and then we we find a highlight like this one that pops up in our life and it's you literally grabbing bud on the run game and then laughing fucking hysteria you're laughing hysterically on the ground immediately upon the touchdown being scored. And you're pancaking, guy. You love it. You love everything about it, huh? Yeah.

I mean, I always get asked, like, would you rather get a pancake? Would you rather score a touchdown? Hey, don't get me wrong. Scoring touchdowns is awesome. It's really fun. And that's what you get paid for in the NFL. But when you can, like, flat back a guy and you feel the exhale and their soul even their body there's not much more of an exciting response like aj when you tackle the guy and you smoke them and you like felt them go like that's

an amazing feeling and there's nothing quite like it and so every time you get to do that it's literally like all right like i own you like not not i own you but like'm going to be in your head for a long time and I'm going to have free real estate. AJ, what were your thoughts? Whenever you did that to somebody every single year at ACC, the Tahoe thing with the guy and then also in football. Yeah, I was off the field, but yeah, George, a hundred percent correct. When you get the heat.

So when you got locked on to do, there's a moment where as a defender, you know, Oh, I'm screwed. Like my feet are underneath me. This guy has me. I'm going down. And then when you go down, it usually even hurts more than you thought it was going to hurt. And it's more embarrassing, especially if you're laughing on top of me, too. That'd be tough.

Yeah, how about him? Ha, ha, ha, ha. Because you're laughing on top of him as well. We just saw you whenever your back turned. It's a whole – when did you start laughing? When you got him? When you know you got him? When's the laughing start?

There. Jeez. Nice. start laughing when you got him when you know you got him when's the last uh there jeez nice well yeah like i felt his feet leave the ground and i was just like i was it was more of like a giggle like that i was just like i couldn't believe that i found myself in this situation and i was just very happy well like this is my thing so that's a safety right and i should do that to their safety and yeah was it a mild hold probably my hands reached around the back like i didn't prevent him from going anywhere because i was driving him backwards but my old tight ends coach who's with miami now would always tell me and he was like a safety will never think like will never second guess taking you out in the kneecaps and you're going to catch a ball and

he'll never think about like he'll never second guess hitting you in the back so when you have an opportunity and he lines up right in front of you and it's a run play, make him regret every second of being a safety and regretting being up in the line of scrimmage, thinking that he could block you. Yeah, a little comeuppance for the entire position. Yeah, these kneecaps. A lot of years of what your position has done. Ty Schmidt, Iowa Hawkeye.

Yeah, go Hawks, George. Appreciate you putting on for us this weekend at Mania. That was fucking awesome. Everyone always talks about Kyle Shanahan's offense, like specifically the run game and how creative it is and how many different looks you guys give. You obviously have Deebo and Christian McCaffrey, but in open space, you're so fucking explosive.

Why don't we have any end rounds or misdirections to get you a couple carries a game? Why isn't that happening every single week great question first off being a running back in my opinion sucks because you get tackled by everybody as hard as they possibly can like when i get the ball in open when i get the ball in open space usually i'm only getting tackled by corner safeties and maybe a linebacker from behind that's about it it's like that doesn't hurt as much. But when you get hit by a Fletcher Cox, that doesn't feel very good, especially when you're significantly smaller than him.

But hey, I get an in-around once in a while and we're going to keep adding those in. But our run game is, it's pretty special. And it's crazy too, like the evolution of it since I was a rookie. It went from like basically just straight outside, inside zone with some gap scheme stuff to now like every play has –

you see those double motion when Juszczyk is flying over to help me and we're going to kick out the outside linebacker. You see stuff like that. You see that I do that with Trent Williams now where he's the lead and I'm motion over kicking out the guy inside. We do all this fun stuff with motions that affects defenses' rotation and stuff like that to get good looks for our running backs. It's nice to put guys in better positions for us to block them. So just the evolution of it has been awesome because every year is almost completely different. It's just the same plays, but the motions and the formations

and how we get there has been changing so much. Are all of you psychos on that team? Like Trent, whenever he was pulling, it was like he looked like he was rather pumped to do that. He had to be, I guess. But that was one of the scariest images and scenes in football, I think, whenever he started getting on the move across an entire formation. You all love that.

Juszczyk obviously is incredible at what he does, but it feels like you have a very physical football team over there. Not easy to find, I don't think. No, I mean, that's kind of – it wasn't always like that. We had to kind of establish that and kind of started, you know, John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan, like they said, this is the type of team we want because we want every team that faces us to be like, this is an ice bag game where we're going to have to try our asses off

and do something that we're not incredibly comfortable with. And we know that we're going to be incredibly sore for the entire week after that. And, like, I mean, if you look at the stat too, every single team that played us lost the next week, besides Kansas City because they had a bye the following week. But every other single team lost the the week after playing us because, and I'm going to buy a plan.

And that's the plan. That's the plan. Like, yeah, that's the plan. That's to beat the shit out of our opponent. I've never heard that before. I mean,

I might've obviously I haven't been in the football world my entire life and I only played for the Colts, but I enjoy hearing a GM and a coach say, Hey, we're going to be the type of team that the other team is going to be sore the entire fucking week after playing us. It's like that's a different way to say, like, we're going to be a hard-nosed team. It's like, hey, this is what we are expecting to do. And then also you guys knowing that every team lost after playing.

Hey, did you see what happened? Yeah. Did you see what happened? Lost again. Did you see what happened? That's like a pride thing. That's awesome. That's the type of team you want to be on.

Now, me personally, I would love to be in a position that doesn't hit anybody. Sure. That's a good team to be around. The guys, this is a pretty tough group of humans here. I think I would like to hang out with them. Last question for you, George. We appreciate you. Go ahead, Tom.

George, you and Connor referenced pass catching, drinking, at tight end. You, who's the best pass catcher, drinker, at tight end? You. Probably the guy who's averaging 1,200 yards a season in 10 touchdowns, Travis Kelsey. Drinking? He's pretty, yeah. Well, you know, at anything you listed, I won't say that again.

I won't repeat it, but he's very talented in all regards. Big fan. I've learned a lot from him in multiple facets of my game on and off he's fucking awesome man he was great on uh saturday night live like it was tough because there was a ufc fight massive one jones was coming back and there were so many great fights and then saturday night lives on at the same time it's like come on like this is not the right night to have travis kelsey or an nfl guy for you a tight end on saturday night live but wanted to show my support, wanted to get a number

on the rating, you know, so like, hey, we'll follow. He crushed it. Absolutely crushed it, as would you. We can't thank you enough for taking time and have a great weekend, brother. What? What? You're George Kittle. What? You play tight end. What?

You grew two inches in college. What? What? Became tight end. What? You grew two inches in college. What? What? Became a bully. What? Run my face into you. What? Every time.

What? Yet again. What? Concussed. What? Knocked out. What? Do you have a pulse?

What? Can you bleed your own blood? What? You're dead? What? What? We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, George Kittle. Yeah, George!

He's the man. Yeah. The best. He's a big guy in person, too and gentlemen. George Kittle. Yeah, George! He's the man. Yeah, the best. He's a big guy in person, too. Huge. Massive. Yeah, he's a big guy. And he has that psycho mentality. Did you hear that?

That would suck for you guys. He was, I had a chance to chill with him doing Super Bowl week, and we was talking about the wrestling thing. I don't think he had an idea that you would be calling him, needing a little help. But he was telling me how interested he was in doing the WWE, but it was just how funny

everything went so fast. Yeah, full circle. Kind of comes around. I don't think that's going to be the last time you're going to see him doing something. He's like perfect for it. Yeah. He's like actually perfect. Right in his wheelhouse. He seems very confident. And the comic books, I think he was telling me about and all of that stuff.

Big Godzilla guy. He's got a tattoo. And also a Joker tattoo is sick. I mean, he is a fantastic character that the NFL has. A great one that the NFL has. He's perfect for the WWE. I mean, he's absolutely perfect for it. If you look at all the guys who have made it from the NFL to go to the WWE,

they do this post pretty much every NFL thing. It's all offensive linemen and defensive linemen and then me. Right in the middle of it almost. George Kittle's an offensive lineman who happens to be a freak athletically and he has a perfect personality for

pretty much anything. If he was to be a WWE superstar, he would be a guy. He would go, yeah. Very good. I hope he gets a chance to maybe do that someday, but I don't see him retiring from the old football anytime soon because he absolutely is obsessed with it. But there's a guy that could have been, I think,

and hopefully will still be able to be a little bit a part of it. Yeah, him saying that that was his sixth year in the NFL, I thought he's been in the NFL for like 10 years. Me too. And he probably still has another 10 years. So hopefully he gets that Super Bowl, man. Only one year in his career he's had one quarterback during a season.

That sucks. That's how this game is, man. Some guys that's so good never even won a playoff game, bro. Some guys never even been to the playoff game. That's Hall of Fame numbers. Then you got guys like A.J. Fuck it.

You got to blink blink. Hey, Super Bowl. College Football National Championship. All-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. You could be the all-time leading tackler for a team and not have any playoff wins. Because how potential luck goes or how everything else goes. You got to really live right, which this guy's clearly been doing.

Amen. Like, baby. Like that guy for the Lions last year, Spielman or whatever, who got voted into the Lions ring honor. Chris. Yeah. He was running the team, wasn't he? Yeah. Yeah, and then they surprised him and put him in the ring honor.

Calvin Johnson, though, never won a playoff game. Boom. Jason Hansen, never won a playoff game. Yeah, I've never been to a playoff game. He won all the Lions. Have Calvin been to a playoff game? Yeah, he went. Stafford went three times, I think.

So Calvin had to be there for all those. That means Jason Hansen went too, right? Because he would have been there with Staff? Yes. How many years did he kick? 25 years? Never playoff. He was our best player of my whole life.

No playoff game. So it's hard. He's so good. Where is he on all-time points? Is he in the top five? I assume he's somewhere up there. He played so long and was so good. I don't know if the Lions are scoring enough for him to be there.

His kickoff steps. I mean, he ran 30 yards for a kickoff. That's sweet. At the beginning of my career, we played against the Lions, and he was on team, so I had to mimic what the other kicker was doing. Fucking running 40-yard sprints up to this ball. I'm like, damn, how's this guy? So he had to be in great shape.

I mean, he's running sprints before kicking on the field in the game. I've never seen anything like it. I don't know if anybody ever will. But then you start thinking about how long he was there, how good he had to be for how long he had to be there. He could never get to a point where he had, like, a series of shanks because at some age you get so expensive that they're waiting on you to miss three, four kicks and then your ass is out of there.

He never did that. But I'm not sure he'll ever get properly judged in the kicking world because not a single ball mattered. Not a single one. No pressure. Legitimately. Not a single one. Are we going to win today?

Maybe. Are we going to lose today? Maybe. Probably. There's like some teams where it's like, hey, every single time you touch gonna win today maybe are we gonna lose today maybe like there is there's like some teams where it's like hey every single time you touch the ball today it is gonna matter for long term big deal everything like everything's gonna matter so i think like that is why in the kicking world not necessarily judged in the proper way but a damn good guy for a long time to kick him balls nick just said he was a second-round draft pick. Well worth it.

So good. Yes. So much talent. Imagine if he would have been able to be at a place where there was a little bit of a pressure moment. All he would have to do is make one. Yeah. You know, just have one playoff game moment that he could rely on

and say, well, if I had more opportunities, I would do it. Never had one. Or on the opposite side, too. He said he would hit that. It would be the thing. But if he didn't hit that, well, it fucking sucks. One kick. Yeah, they would hold over his head forever because, you know, that's a shame.

That's why Vinny's was so absurd. Yeah, Vinny just fucking. The biggest moments. He's on the best team for so long. Yeah, he's tough. He's four for points. Now, let's remember that this is same playing ground as Vinatieri, though, because they don't count playoff points.

Right. The most important points. Vinatieri's played two full seasons in the playoff games that did not count towards his points. So he had to do just regular season points to get there. So that's everybody. But that's a hell of a crew up there at the top. George Blanda at seven. He's the oldest quarterback to ever play a game.

Yeah, he's a Western Pennsylvania guy. Played 49 years old. Hell yeah. He's also kicking football. Oh yeah, scored a lot of points. Jason Elam. Robbie Gold, Mason Crosby. Morton Anderson, last guy with the old one-bar

face mask. I don't think he's the last guy. I don't know. I think he got grandfathered in to where he was wearing it way past anybody else. No, there was a punter. There was a punter for the Browns who had it whenever I got drafted. So maybe Morton lasted longer than him. I'm not sure.

I don't know. Punter for the Browns. He was grandfathered and he was old as fuck. Had handlebar mustache like Paul Tuttle Sr. Like Paul Tuttle Sr. This guy was awesome, dude. Was it player? Yeah, I always say Gary player,

but that's obviously the golfer. Right. He'll be leading us off tomorrow morning. But it is. He will be. He will be? He will be. It'll be Gary and Jack.

Gary and Jack. Yeah, are we sure? Maybe. What do you mean? Is that how it always? I don't know. Scott. Usually Arnie's there, but Arnie's not there anymore.

Scott player then. Scott player was a guy. I asked for the single bar when I got drafted to the Colts and I met with the equipment room. I said, I want that one like that guy in Cleveland. I want that single bar one. I want to snap it in, you know. And they're like, buddy, we can't.

What are you? What? I'm like, the guy in Cleveland's got it. They just met me, right? These people just met me. I just got in there. What type of shoulder pads do you want? Whatever the smallest ones possible.

I'll wear those. Okay. What type of helmet you want? Whatever the most comfortable one is. Cool. I got a massive head. Yeah, you do have a massive head. Damn. As they're measuring it. And they're like, what type of face mask

you want? You know, we got a couple options. We think this one would be the best one. Most space. I'm like, yeah, I want a single bar. I would like a single bar. They're like, buddy, what are you? We can't. We can't just do that. What? I'm with guys wearing it right now. I fucking don't even want to pull up a picture. Do you guys even know the league you guys are in? What are you doing? You got grandfathered in, pal.

You can't just wear that. It's so illegal. Might as well have no bar. This is the no fun league, isn't it? This is the no fun league. It's bananas. So that was how me and Frog met each other the first time. Frog and I are obviously very good friends to this day

and got along through the whole thing. But he goes, buddy, you're a psycho. You know these guys. You just saw Robert Mathis in a weight room. Like that's who you're going to be on the field. Yeah. I want to be able to fucking snap that fucker up. See everything. That thing goes from here and then poop straight up to the front.

What a hilarious move. Yeah. I would have loved to see how I did that. Yeah. Couldn't get it. Couldn't get it. But Scott player had one and he had to sweet. I mean, it was fucking on display. Cause that thing was like that. Yeah, couldn't get it. Couldn't get it, but Scott Player had one, and he had this sweet, I mean, he was fucking on display

because that thing was like a... Yeah, that's why he had the one bar. He had to show off that handlebar. Amen. I don't know if he'll ever go down in the history of being a great punter. He punted for a long time, though. The only reason I know is because

that handlebar mustache was white as fucking day, so he had to be old. That's right. I don't know. Nobody really talks about his... Was it Reggie Roby who wore a watch and punt let's get his own hang time which would be incredibly difficult i think there's no he didn't claim that did he yeah it was i don't know if he did or other people did but yes i've been told that by people when i go to camps you ever think about being like

reggie robey where watching say hey check my hang time and i'm like that'd be tough to do that's ridiculous and also no because i don't want to know on every single one but yeah that was his kind of story he was a great athlete right reggie yeah waterloo yeah he's waterloo yeah he ran i think he had a long run oh yeah he was uh like he went to east high school which they stink in a lot of stuff now but at the time like they had won they had like the high school record of they had won like 96 games in a row or something. Pack, I think you'll agree with this. Every guy in the NFL can bomb balls. It's just how consistently can you do it.

That's like the whole game of punting and kicking pretty much. I love it when they bomb them to me. If you don't hang the ball up, bump, kick it as far as you can fucking kick it because I'm going to get it quicker. If you can't hang it up, it's so much better, bro. People don't know that, though. That's what people don't realize. You can hang the fucking ball up for about six, seven seconds.

Most punters can't do that. Yeah, I mean, that's the whole game. I'm eliminating the returner guy. That's why I got a lot of fair catches. I had zero return yards, I think, going into week 11 or week 12. I was the kickoff guy and the punt guy. We had given up zero return yards. Exactly what I'm supposed to be doing

here. But every once in a while, you know, you got a little jet stream behind you. It's hard not to be like, I'm going to drop this fucker a little bit lower. I'm going to hit this thing far. But then you got people like Pac-Man on the other end that now have 40 yards of space. And it's like, who knows what this fucking asshole is going to do.

So it's just there's a game within a game. But everybody that makes it can bomb balls. It's just whether or not you're mentally tough enough. So I assume Reggie Robey can bomb balls. Whenever I said, oh, he could run good. I'm not just saying like that's all. He fucking murdered football. Let's not get crazy out there.

Flexibility these guys all had except for me, though, is alarming. Like, I can't even touch my fucking toes, Paul. You know what I mean? That's absurd. It's like golf. There's a lot of guys that can go out there and shoot 67 one day, but they can't string four days together in a tournament. Eli had 88 first day,

75 the next day. That drop or miss is a touchdown the other way. Your team loses, you're cut. Good luck. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Well, and sometimes guys

don't know what the difference is, right? Like, you can hit a bad punt and then know, like, okay, I got to change, like, I got to drop it lower or, you know, I have to fix something

with the swing. Yeah, my first two years in the NFL, I had no idea what the fuck was going on. Yeah, yeah. I had no clue. Hey, that was a good ball.

Why'd it happen? I don't know. I don't know. Hey, that was a bad ball. What happened? Well, I got to fix it. Yeah. Yeah, I do.

Everything looked the exact fucking same as the last time, but for whatever reason, just didn't do what it did. Punting's a fun sport. Kicking is as well. And Jason Hansen never got to do it in a big moment. Never. God, he was so good, though. All right, let's take some phone calls and get the fuck out of here, shall we?

Let's do it. How's the storm? We good? TV's back on. I was just around three. Okay. I think we're good. Yeah, we're there Let's go. How's the storm? We good? TV's back on? I was just around three. I think we're good. Yeah, we're there. I can hear it. I've had some, I thought some stuff was happening in my house. No, it's some nasty thunder

outside, so it's coming here, obviously. My wife sent me some photos. There's been some shit. Yeah, after the first hour when you were mentioning it, I did just turn right, look out that front door, and it was bad. We hope everybody's okay out there. Peace and peace. The tornado really is just like,

go somewhere else, please. Is there any kind of basement there, the Thunderdome? The whole thing is kind of a basement. Well, Ty mentioned he had to. But is there something underground where you can store stuff or get down there? I assume there is something somewhere because in the blueprints we saw it. Bill's Labyrinth is down there, yeah.

Don't go down there. Bill's Shelter is down there yeah oh plausible denial thank you pack yeah love the good guy he is he only he's killing bad people ducks back there ducks on a pond back here um he's not a vigilante he's not killing bad people aj no bill's not if anything you'd be like not killing bad people, AJ. No. Bill's not killing bad people. I'll type the people. The whole thing is kind of like a basement, you know? We have no windows, really. We have no windows to the outside. Like, all the windows you see there. The whole dome will just get ripped off if the tornado.

Come on. Nah, this thing seems to be pretty sturdy. I didn't even think about that. That's quite a negative way to look at it. I just assumed this thing was locked. You know I don't believe in, you know, you're not going to get hit. You're fine. Storms are okay. Well, now you just changed us double. Why'd you do that? Why'd you even put that in my mind?

This is just like yesterday with Greeny. I appreciate you think that I have that much power mentally to control a storm and a tornado that possibly hits you. I don't think you have that much power to control the storm, but you do have the power to control my thoughts when the next storm comes. Because I was just assuming this thing was good. No, that's not a thank you type thing.

That was said satirically. I'll take it as a compliment. We're good. Thank you, Pat. Thunder don't. We're good. We're good. Thunder.

But if it's thunder. Thunder. Lightning in the thunder. Thunder. Thunder. That guy's jacked. You ever see him? He's jacked.

He's shirtless like on all the shows. Jocked. Yeah, I've seen him. He's so jacked. He's unbelievably jacked. I saw him. I've the shows. Jocked, yeah. I've seen him. He's so jacked. He's unbelievable, Jack. I've seen Brantley Gilbert, I think is his name. He's got two guns on his back. Oh, yeah, that's right.

He did a backflip off of his drum set onto the stage. He had brass knuckles on the microphone. So the handle for the microphone was brass knuckles. That's awesome. He's kicking ass. And he has two guns tattooed on his back whole back like top to bottom from the whole back and backflip off the thing lands it turns starts singing brass knuckles i'm like this guy is this the baddest motherfucker

on earth here i uh i'm fascinated aj what happened let's move along i hear uh what i see let's go to the phone what do you say On Earth Year, I'm fascinated, AJ. What happened? Let's move along. I see. Let's go to the phone. What did he say? We started talking about music, and I knew where he was. What was he going to say?

There's an interesting situation that has certainly arrived in our world. Oh, geez, Louise. Let's go to the phones. Did not know about it until very recently. It is a big one. You are not. Okay. Gosh darn it.

What's that have to do with? Just like a potential war happening. You know? I don't know. You were there. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Matt in Oregon on the 5RNG phone line.

1-833-432-3663 or 1-833-4-DADOM. Use promo code MACFEE at 5IRNG.com to receive 20% off your order of any of the fine 5IRNG products. Matt Norgun, what's going on, pal? What's going on, boys? How's it going? Keep it going, dude. Hell yeah.

Keep going, dude. Hell yeah. First off, shout out Magala for his one shining moment, or as Mitt would call him, Magala. Hell yeah. Real quick, one question. What is your guys' thoughts on MLB

expansion cities? And AJ, what are your thoughts? Matt, nobody cares about that. Now, let's get back to the Magala. And AJ, I apologize for hanging up on the first question for you. Matt, nobody cares about that. Now, let's get back to the Magawa. And, AJ, I apologize for hanging up on him before his question for you. Matt, if you could please call back and ask that question, I'd be good. What did Mitt say? Sounds like I missed the fucking beauty here,

and I am very bummed that I missed this. What did Mitt do? Magawa is, I think, like an Indonesian rat who they basically gave a medal of honor to because he was a bomb-sniffing rat. He would go through and sniff out mines and stuff like that. The greatest rat of our generation.

A real rat? You can see he's wearing the medal of honor. Hell yeah! Thank you, Magala. Is it real? It's a thousand percent real. We talked about it for an entire episode on the podcast. We did, and then Mitt said, so who's Mogala?

It completely desecrated Mogala's legacy and his life's work. Okay, well Matt, thank you for bringing this rat into my life, and AJ's life, and I think Pac-Man's life. I am catching up on the episodes of the pod, which come out once a week. I am

obviously a podiac. I'm a couple weeks behind. We need that to go to two to three times a week for the good of everybody. Foxy. We need it to go to two to three times a week. This rat's a fucking dog. Magawa dog. So we had a 64 team bracket of things

that have been talked about on the pod in the last year. Came down to Magawa versus TC in the final. Magawa was our champion of the pod bracket. That's how. Congratulations to Magawa versus TC in the final. Magawa was our champion of the pod bracket. That's how. Congratulations to Magawa. Thank you, Magawa. Where from? Where's this rat from?

Indonesia. Cambodia. Cambodia. There we go. There's been 3,000 Magawas. Is this thing about to fly? Is this thing about to take off? Why is it strapped up? They blow them up and they put a new rat in there. No, no, no. You shut your fucking mouth.

He had 2,300 bombs under his belt. Why is he attached? Yeah, what's his name? It's like a training thing. A minefield and they just fucking launch him down the line and say, sniff him out, Magawa. And then they lift him whenever there's a mine? Yeah, they raise the bell and they pull him back.

No, the bomb blows up and they say, hey, we need another Magawa. Throw the next guy out. AJ, Magawa's a fucking dog, dude. There's only one of them. The war hero. You really think this is, you just replaced the pet frog that your daughter lost? Yeah. This isn't that way.

This is a Medal of Honor recipient. Yeah. So he sniffs the bombs and then he comes back and reports to the crew, hey, this is where the bomb is? Yes, he writes the notes. They give him a piece of cheese after. This guy sucks. He does.

For someone to have unique pets, too. It looks like him. Yeah, you know. I have a hamster that looked like him. Oh, from Cambodia, dude? You had a Cambodian hamster? Do a little research, Dave. I did not know this was going to happen.

Let's go to the phones. Thank you, Matt, for the call. It was a good call. The MLB expansion, why are you calling our show It was a good call. The MLB expansion. Why are you calling our show? I mean, honestly. Austin, Texas. What's that?

Austin needs a team. Austin needs a team. I'm just thinking of cities where people are. Nashville needs a team. San Antonio needs a team. Nashville needs a team. Indianapolis needs a team. Tulsa.

Nashville. Tulsa. Give Tulsa a team. Indianapolis has a team. Okay. Give us a major league team. We need an MLS team here too and an NHL team. Aren't they building a $6 billion

MLS stadium? I don't know how that got passed. It's like the MLS lower tier too, right? It's not an MLS team. The 11th is not an MLS team. One day it will be. The shitty league. I hope so. It's not the shitty league. It is the USL. It's not for shitty. As someone who watches the New England Revolution every single chance

I get, this is the shitty league. Why are they building a $6 billion stadium then for a shitty team? Because I think they're maybe trying to angle for an MLS bid, which I'm happy for them. Let's do it. That would be good for the city. Also, it's another venue space for the city. We're happy about that.

Yeah, Tony, just look around. They're not building it. We, the people of Indianapolis who live here, are building it. They're taking our fucking money for it. Let's go to the phones. Yeah, it's a shitty lead. I know Jim. Let's go to the phones.

Jim owns the 11, too? Probably. Actually, I think I have met the owner of the 11 before. He's also the owner of the fuel, I believe, or the fire. Oh, jeez. The fuel. Real renaissance, man. The fuel's getting into the stadium.

It's going to be beautiful. Get a real team, pal. We're trying. Not hard enough. Why don't you pay more taxes? I'm always trying to evade it. Guess what? You're on that scumbag bullshit, evading your taxes. You paid your taxes, these potholes wouldn't be

the way they are. I come from a family of accountants. I pay my taxes to the dollar, my friend. Yeah, nothing more, though. That's what we like to give around here. More money, the IRS. Jay Mercer's asking for more. I know that. And so is Ezra, a prick. Does this guy even live here? Are you kidding me?

His name is Ersel. What the hell? Can you read? That's what I said. He's the owner and chairman of the Indy 11. Does he also own the Indy Fuel? Or no, that would probably pop up right there. What are the Indy 11?

That's their minor league soccer? Bingo. It actually, they have a pretty solid fan base like indianapolis has um oh i don't know what ranking it is that and he feels different like okay feels awesome but like the um hispanic community here in indianapolis is one of the fastest growing in the entire country or whatever so like soccer, very popular in this city whenever they do, like, World Cup ratings and, like, what's being watched and everything like that.

So I think a couple people saw that Indianapolis was potentially very interested in soccer. They created this Indy 11 team, and it was a smashing success. I mean, like, the first couple years, we're talking about filling up, like, a college, like, IUPUI stadium. I think it was like 6 000 people 7 000 people showing up they had like every game they did this whole thing and then i don't know

what ever happened i stopped paying attention after that that's 100 on me yeah they then did a deal with the colts like a few years later to play in lucas oil stadium and they played a cincinnati team fc who's now in the mls they were in in the lower... That's what I'm talking about. And then they got relegated? Promoted? Promoted up into the MLS almost. So I think that's what Indy 11's trying to do is get up there, but I think it would be good for our city. Also, an NHL team would be good

here in Indianapolis. I think it would be good. They used to have a Junior B team, I think it was. Fucking Wano played here, didn't he? Yeah, I think so. They used to do that very popular. Wayne Gretzky? Yeah, Wano started his career here.

Fucking WHA. Nice. While we're talking about these teams, the baseball team needs to change their name. And maybe you can run that up the ladder in Pittsburgh. Let's go to the front. It's an homage. Excuse me. At the perfect time, we have an update on aaron rogers aaron rogers

checks out crystal shop as he waits for jet straight he's wearing flip-flops a blue shirt in sweats shorts i wonder if he just got done checking out the whales whether fucking or birthing out in the ocean or if he's on a day of chores small bag was it a gift for him a gift for somebody else we will keep our eye on the developing situation here at topanga rocks fine crystals home of owl fall shop relax explore aj what do you know about the bali imports here that aaron rogers just went and checked out today via tmz i wonder if these like if these tmz photographers have they just been camped out any local crystal shop they can find out in the la area just hey like aaron's gonna have to come check us out eventually right what did he buy

there you think is that ayahuasca he's walking on rocks buying crystals are those like probably healing crystals yeah healing crystal type things you can charge them all that stuff you put them underneath the moonlight and and they charge, and then you bring them inside. When the moon hits your rocks like a bag full of socks, it's amazing. Aaron Rodgers, I guess. Looks like he's in good shape. Been throwing a football around, AJ?

You been out there playing catch with old Aaron Rodgers with these crystal rocks? No, I have not been out there. But those, like, boulders next to him look nice. Maybe he bought one for the house. Oh, and said, just ship it. I can't walk out of here with it. It's a bit too heavy. Well, maybe he's going to this shop because he knows he might not be in the area for much longer. Oh,

stock up. Yeah. His gait looks good. Doesn't have doesn't appear to have his ankles taped at all. Looks like the toe is healthy after COVID. He's a little thick in the hips. He does look like he's got a good base. Remember, always had big legs. Does he look happy?

Doesn't have his ankles taped. That's telling. Yeah, he doesn't have a knee brace on. No wrist tape. No gel in his hair. Yeah, it kind of looks like he actually went in there and didn't find what he was looking for. He got something.

He got gift cards. Maybe it looks like a box. You get gift cards. Could be. He bought those just to like, because he didn't want to offend anybody in the Crystal Rock community. Yeah.

Looks like he was happy that he went there, but disappointed in the result. Bingo. And he had to buy something because he has, everybody knows exactly how much money he has. Exactly. And he's going to run into the same people

that are kind of running with this. Bingo. Had to buy something. Had to. Because you can't leave this place and I'm thinking, this guy. Fucking cheapskate didn't even buy it.

He could get a lava lamp maybe too. You know how pissed the rock community would be? That'd be a small lava lamp. What'd you say? The rock community would be so infuriated if they found out Aaron Rodgers went to Balla Balla Rocks and didn't get anything.

How did he... Topanga Rocks. Excuse me. Balla Balla. How did he walk past that, what appeared to be, statue of that very peaceful lady and not pick her up and take her home? That's what I was thinking. Are all these things getting shipped home?

Oh, right there. I see it. Did he buy everything you're thinking? He probably did. He probably said, hey, box is all up, and he gave him his address. That's probably his store now. Oh, this is actually Topanga rocks. Can't spell Topanga Rocks without Aaron.

That's true. He does like to travel. Maybe he collects all these things from his travels and he sells them there. Oh, he's like an antiquer, but it's for the relaxing. Like the Gary V of Rocks. Okay. Okay, it's starting to come together. Happy or happy, Aaron?

That's all we hope. What's Gary here? Come together. Is or happy, Aaron? That's all we hope. What's Gary here? Come together. Is Gary here, Sid? Yeah, May. Oh, yeah. First week of May. VCon.

Gary's here with every speaker on earth except for Aaron. Yeah, interesting. Who's also a speaker. We're having more photos come out of Topanga Rocks here. He's now in an alley drinking what appears to be a latte of some sort and a snack in his left hand this is uh aaron rogers at topanga rocks crystal shop on april 4th 2023 in topanga california this is the town rocks this is topanga rocks in topanga california what's in that little bag you think he has some sort of uh maybe blueberry or apple some sort of something like

that some like dairy-free vegan gluten-free snack nice i mean he looks much more fit in this particular angle he's much more stand up and then maybe that's before he went into topanga rocks before uh he needs to figure it the fuck out with his phone yeah but he go down he had the coffee i think he goes in with the coffee and the scone right and come back and then he comes back out with a bag his phone's all lackadaisical i mean he's about to drop his phone what's this guy doing as soon as he sits in his car that thing's in between the seats aaron we're trying to save you some hassle fucking tuck that son bitch in there that's bad phone security all right seems like he's living his life though oh another one oh he's sipping that that's a good step right there, too.

Yeah. Great form. Good gait. Yeah. It is a good gait. No ankle tape. Trying to stay out of the sun, though.

Smart. That's not concerning. No, no, that's smart. His arm looks kind of sunburnt, so maybe he was in the sun too long. Oh. Yeah, he was training.

He added beach training, right? Isn't that the thing that he added to his offseason when he had hurt AJ? Yeah, I think so. And then he went and got a cooling rock from Topanga.

Didn't you get... I got it done. You got on those sandals, AJ, you said? Those little thong flip-flops? No, those usually aren't my style. AJ, not a fan of what the footwear was, but we want to let Aaron know. He's in L.A. Happy you're out there doing it, Aaron.

There you go, Aaron. AJ has those Velcro four-strap ones, sandals. Oh, the Jesus Rock one. Boom. Or the Tevas with white socks. Let's go into Topanga Rocks here, shall we? Welcome to Topanga Rocks. This is how we rock.

World-class crystals, affordable prices. The Gutesha collection is awesome. That's what he likes. He likes the Gutesha. Well, don't miss the Jalan Jalan imports, too, right out front. We saw all those. That's what we're taking home, I think. It's Jalan Jalan. What's that? But Jalan Jalan imports too right out front we show all those that's what we're taking home I think it's Jalan Jalan what's that but Jalan Jalan will translate okay well I apologize to

Mr. Holland or Mrs. Holland Holland uh Topanga Rocks crystal collection here this is what we have on the floor available right now that round one that round one's got to be the one that was in that bag on the way out of there crystal ball yeah whoa that's probably huge in person we don't know well that bag was small you can see that crystal ball yeah whoa that's probably huge in person we don't know well that bag was small you can see the universe in that blue one yeah oh he's definitely is that an actual person oh look at the bowl oh it might be oh imagine the guacamole you can make in that bowl oh my god the amount of positive vibes coming from that guac oh man change your life here's the halon Halon Imports Collection.

There we go. Look at that bench. You think he got that bench where you sit on it? I mean, that looks like a bench for ants. It's hard to tell what the actual dimensions are. Looks so comfy, too. Ooh, I like some of those. They're really trying to move these bowls. I think they've got a lot of these bowls.

Yeah. All right. So, I mean, if he did walk out with just that little bag, let's pretend that's the same thing. Oh, shit. Look at the Chase looking thing or whatever that is. Chase Lounge. That thing. That thing looks house.

How did he walk out of the store with just that little bag? I don't know. I'm the type of person that like immediate gratification. Like that bottom right statue. Coming home. Yep. Take that, please. Coming home.

I'm actually pulling up with a trailer attached to the Range Rover that he was driving. Load it up. Hey, boys. Congratulations. I'm here to take everything. I want some of the fat guy in the bottom thing. Give me it. All the driving. Load it up. Hey, boys, congratulations. I'm here to take everything. I want some of them. Fat guy in the bottom thing, give me it. All the balls.

Purple lung boobs, bring some of them. Boom, give me those things. How about the big elephant nose thing? Don't know what it is? Yes, please. Send it in. Wheel it out. The chaise thing that looks like it's very uncomfortable but looks cool, need it for

the backyard. Yep. Are you buying the Buddha things, too? Have to. Oh, yeah. So is that what they are? Those are the Buddha things? Is this all a Buddhist thing?

Some of it. You can't have just one. You've got to have multiple Buddha statues. Well, he did have to have dinner with those Buddhas the one night. That's why he couldn't meet with the Packers. He did say that. And that was one of the best moments I've ever heard in my entire life. Maybe it was monks.

I can't remember. Wasn't there a guy in Hard Knocks that had a rock collection? Maybe he's recruiting that guy, getting him a gift. Oh, the brown guy. Kajush. Kajush. That's got to be it. His dad was awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. And then he was doing okay. You'd look mentioned on the show. He had like 10 hard. Yeah. Oh, okay. I hope everybody's okay.

He's in peace. All the Buddhist gods. Let's go to the folks. Congrats there. Getting out there doing it. It looks really happy. Think about the restraint he displayed after we saw what was on the floor of Topanga Rocks. And he comes out with that little baby thing.

What a guy. He should start messing with people. He should start just going to sex shops and come out with big double headers and weird strap-ons and things that you can see through his plastic bag just to mess with the paparazzi. Call him. Tell him to do that. Honestly, I'm going to send a text after this. Aaron, we need you to go into every sex shop, pick up the armadillos,

put that thing right over your shoulder, walk out. For real. Could you imagine it? Smiling. And that's what he's smiling the whole time, too, always. In those little flip-flops. Yeah. Dong over shoulder.

Double dong. He's carrying a 202 fireman carry of dongs. With his coffee. Sipping out of his coffee. Maybe one of those fuck saws. The saw saws. And that thing's in his pocket. You know how his phone was coming out of his pocket?

Maybe it's a... He's carrying a Sibian on his shoulder. Double flashlights in the back pocket. Tuck some flashlight into his waist belt. Aaron, what are you up to? He's going to go help some friends that are soaking. That'd be amazing. Hey, enjoy your life out there, Aaron.

We won't be watching. Keep going, Aaron. Hey, enjoy your privacy, man. Just enjoy being a human. No one's following you. Yeah, don't worry about it. Not everything you do outside your house is being tracked. What a life.

Let's go to Jason in Houston. What's going on, Jason, on the 5RNG phone line? Fellas, fellas, fellas, what it do? Look, I can't keep in movement because I don't know when I'm going to get back in, and I've got to get y'all to be flowered. I called in twice before, and I wasn't able to get. Oh, no. Oh, no.

This is our time, Jay. Third time's charm until your connection says no. There you go. This is our time, Jay. Third time's charm until your connection says nah. There you go. Can you hear me back? Yeah, you sound good, Jason. We couldn't hear you there at the beginning, though. Third time we did hear, and you said you wanted to give flowers. We heard all the great things you said about us.

What do you want to talk about, man? Okay, yeah. So, look, I want to ask you a question. If I told you that I – if I told you that a player was the number one player, number one quarterback, and the number one player in America, playing for the number one school in America, who then leaves and goes to the University of Alabama, wins the first Heisman in the school history, okay?

If I told you that that guy was supposed to be the number one overall pick, would you really think that that was that crazy? Now, I will say this. I understand that he's small. I understand that Bryce is very, very small. I understand that, obviously, Collin is much different than the NFL, but if ever an opportunity to gain

an NFL caliber defense, it would be that Georgia defense. They had five first-rounders, and that might include Jalen Carter, Kyler Ringo, Nolan Smith. So, this team could literally have fucking nine first-rounders, and that might include Jalen Carter, Kyler Ringo, Nolan Smith. So this team could literally have fucking nine first-rounders on it, and Bryce fucking tors them. 450 yards, both heads down,

and he would have done it back-to-back had he not lost both of his 1,000-yard receivers. He had fucking Trey Bowden out there as a number one receiver. You want to know what a fucking dog Bryce Young is? Go back and watch that Auburn game and look at him. We had multiple fourth downs. He's on the line. We lose that game, we don't go.

I'm a Dallas, Alabama fan. I actually own a restaurant in Tuscaloosa across from Brian Denny. And I'm telling you, Bryce Young is widely regarded. You were at the Pro Bowl, Pat. So you know half of the guys there were from the University of Alabama. Bryce Young is widely regarded by former players and fans alike as the best player

we ever fucking had. Hey, Jason. Jason. Jason. Yes. Roll Tide. Yes, sir. Roll Tide, my brother. Okay. Great promo there for Bryce Young. Unbelievable. And I think that's what Lombardi said, that he was not a Bryce Young fan because of his size.

And then a couple weeks passed, and he comes back on the show, and he's like, I've changed my thoughts on Bryce Young. That's the pick at number one with how great of a player he is. Obviously, the Alabama Faith Four are going to talk highly of him because of how talented he is. They didn't win an Addy, right, which is going to be talked about because he's talking about how good that defense was. He also had nine first-rounders playing with him,

which, you know, he's obviously a weapon. It's not always going to be like that in the NFL, which is why the size is such a question because all he needs to take one hit, two hits, and availability is your greatest ability, so everybody's a little bit worried. Sounds like this guy's a fucking player. Yeah.

And from all accounts, he is the guy. I respect it it he's got the best brain allegedly in the draft whenever it comes to cognitive recall and everything like that he seems to make every single throw and everybody that knows football says this guy's different i respect it go bryce young's going to the carolina panthers it seems like i don't think he's going carolina whoa whoa whoa whoa no bro i understand what he's saying bullshit he said all that though he was the best fucking player to ever come through alabama well why the fuck he did not win it he should have won it if he was the best player to ever come through alabama he should have he should have been a win that motherfucker by himself it's a lot of good

players that done came through alabama like he said the year before that he had all of the dogs every last one of them motherfuckers from Alabama was drafted in the first fucking round. Now last year, he had some okay talent. He stuck up the fucking place. Yeah, everybody's smart. He's fucking playing up on the Knicks. Not everybody's smart. He's playing up on the Knicks.

It's a pro offense. It's a pro program. Those guys are way ahead of the games from Alabama, from Georgia, from the SEC. West Virginia. West Virginia. Then other guys that's coming from different schools like Texas Tech. I ain't going to keep going down the list, but yeah.

You don't have to bury everybody. It is an advantage to be at Bama. I agree mentally and the way you operate everything like that. You're getting a head start on what the NFL life would be like, especially with older players going to the NFL, coming back and kind of taking care of it. But the whole not winning at Bama is something that a casual like me is certainly going to have to think about.

Go ahead, Ty. Did it say he was from Houston? Yeah. Which is interesting because they have the second pick, so you'd think this guy would want to come in and start throwing some shade, maybe get a guy who he's in love with to slip down to number two. I mean, I don't know.

The Lombardi thing really sold me because he is one of those guys who, and he's one of those guys who if he comes out and says, like, this guy stinks, that guy stinks. He's not flipping his decision. He's not going back on that but i think that is the i mean that's and i guess if that's the only thing people are concerned about is you

know his his height like that is kind of a big deal but he checks every other box so we'll see i mean i guess that's the thing too is like carolina if you go to carolina like they might be decent next year if he goes to houston like they're gonna stink for the next few years well tomiko ryan going to turn around. AJ, how tall were you whenever you came out? 6'1", barely. How heavy? Like 248 is a combine.

What'd you run? I don't know. 4'4". 4'5", something, I think. 6'1", 240, pro day, you ran a 4'4", okay? It counts. It happened. Good size for a linebacker. I'm not saying that he's not a good player.

I'm just saying size. 6'1", 240, running a 4-4. I understand that the SEC is filled with a lot of people. It's not just that generation of people from the SEC. It's all the all-stars from the previous generation of the SEC.

And the previous generation of the Big Ten that are still in the Big Ten that are still in the league that are just getting bigger, stronger, faster, smarter. It's like, and it's always said about Lamar too, and it's not fair because Lamar has the ability to avoid hits as does Bryce Young. It sounds like if you listen to Lombardi speak about it, it's like the guy has the capability to have a good sense of feel and he avoids big hits. So if he can do that, that's all these conversations are kind of stopped. But think everybody that's in the nfl just immediately thinks like you're gonna get hit yeah we had to see nobody do it that's all i'm saying shit uh the uh seahawks

russell westbrook i mean what's the rest book russell wilson um who else we ain't gonna even fucking put the kid the little short kid in arizona in the conversation yeah whoa drew breeze drew breeze okay count drew that's it that was a sean pitts offense drew the most successful quarterback at hit under six foot yes yes definitely definitely and they have a lot to do with who his head coach was yeah and the offense the system is a big deal and hopefully carolina or houston who ends up taking, will be able to have a great offensive system that will protect them and obviously give them the opportunity to grow, which I assume everybody's thinking about.

But that's the only thing anybody's saying negative about is like, is this guy going to be able to survive the NFL? Everybody seemingly thinks yes, so I'm pumped to watch him. It sounds like the NFL is about to gain a fucking superstar. I assume the guys at the top, like him and Shroud, both want to go one, but you wonder what he would rather do go to carolina where there's you know the offensive minded head coach and they use their first rounder last year on a tackle icky out nc state or go to houston at two with tamiko is a defensive head coach so might have a little turnover if they have success but

then you also have you know laramie tonsil mechi was one of the guys who he had 1,000 yards with at Alabama who was out last year with, I think he had cancer or something. But you wonder what he would like to do. All right, let's go to the phones. Let's go to Chris in Austin on the 5 Energy phone line. What's going on, Chris? Hey, Pat, how's your dick swinging? How are your balls hanging?

All right, nice. Keep it swinging. Nice, like that. Like what you're doing, pal. Right now a little tight. You know the weather change might have been the altitude pressure. But everything's good, pal. What do you want to talk about?

I'll pick it up what you're putting down, man. Is it cool if I just talk my shit for a minute? Sure, man. I don't know who you are, but, yeah, absolutely. Take it. The floor is yours. First off, shout out, Pac-Man. You smell me.

You smell me. There we go. I'm a recent UT grad, man, and a cowboys fan it's been a tough tough decade man first thing first deck is done and i love this guy because he's half black half white just like me and obamna but this guy has more turnovers than the tires on my own nine apollo and she's got a quarter million miles on it it's the harder route for the roof for the boys ever since Jerry. I saw that picture of him saying, hey, what's going on over there? Sorry, listen.

They need to get a QB in Hendon Hooker at the third or fourth round, or maybe even Stetson Bennett, because he's raising out. I just wanted to ask respectfully, you know how we're opening up internships again? Not a bad performance there if we were.

Would certainly do that. Great phone call out of Austin. I appreciate that. Mike McCarthy's going to change all that, the turnovers and why they haven't been able to get there. It does feel like the conversation is always, is Dak going to be able to win it? Is Dak going to be able to win it with how good that defense has got?

What are your thoughts of Big Mike and Dak's relationship and what it's going to look like next year, AJ? I think Big Mike loves Dak. I really do. But also, going back to the caller, he said if you can pick up Hennon Hook in the third or fourth round, I would imagine anyone's jumping on Hennon Hook in the third or fourth round. He's not lasting that long. I don't think he's making it to the... No. I don't think he's...

I think this is going to be a Jordan Love situation. I think it's going to be a trade-up and last half or late in the first round. I think so. Take a quarterback. I think. I think he's getting drafted in the first round. I think so, too. He should. Modern medicine, modern science. They've talked about the Saints with that pick that they acquired. What do you think about

the Cowboys? Obviously, you got an affiliation with them. Oh, it's a proof of you for that. You don't play good this year, we're going to look for something else. Hey, we love you, Dak. A lot of money. But you got to get across the hump right now. He does. They're killing more offense. Yeah, I wonder how that's going to go in the Chargers. You know, like love you, Dak. A lot of money. But you got to get across the hump right now. He does. That Kellen Moore offense.

Yeah, I wonder how that's going to go. You know, like Zeke. Zeke, still a free agent. Who knows what happens with Zeke, where it ends up. But they got Tony Pollard still, right? That run game is about to become a much more prevalent part of that Cowboys offense. I think that's going to help quarterback. I think it's going to help Dak. And hopefully, Mike McCarthy still knows how to call a game and everything.

Because if he doesn't, Dak's done and Big Mike's done. That's an interesting year that they're staring down down there. Last year they both had – they rushed over, like, I want to say 2,000 together, combined, I want to say. But Dak got to make the plays. He's thrown about 45 45 50 times a game added brandon cooks they really they're going all in on dac making it happen this year big mike ain't yeah yeah true big mike that's because jerry isn't i think but yeah you're right

cowboys are always going to have enough star power to potentially win a super bowl right every year every year it's going to be like we have enough players we should be able to win a Super Bowl every year. Every year it's going to be like, we have enough players. We should be able to win a Super Bowl. The guys we have in here are enough to get us to a Super Bowl at certain positions. And then it's like, another year, Groundhog's Day did not happen. This team stinks. Everything needs to change. That's the Cowboys, baby.

That's Cowboys football. Yeah, and they don't have the luxury of managing expectations. That's not a thing. You have a team who just went to the Super Bowl in your division who's very, very good. It doesn't fucking matter. People expect the Cowboys to win the division and go play for a Super Bowl. Whether they're good enough to or not, that doesn't matter.

And everybody's going to see it because they're on primetime every week. Exactly. America's team. Last call. Well, not America. It is, Kyle. It's still America's team. What other team that don't share no revenue when it comes to apparel and everything?

Yeah. I mean, Jerry is a hell of an investor. He's smart. Yeah, he is a good businessman. That guy's a good businessman. Yes, he is. What's going on over there? He's a good businessman.

Last call here on the 5-Hour Energy phone line, 1-833-432-3663. If you weren't able to get through today. We'll be back on it tomorrow. Go to 5hourenergy.com. Use promo code MAC if you receive 20% off your order of 5-Hour Energy. Gary Player just trained a 20-footer. Hell yeah, Gary. What a putt by Gary Player.

In the par 3 deal or what? They changed that par 3 this year, right? I think they changed a few holes on that par 3. Yeah, I believe they did. From what I heard, I think they – from what I heard. From what I read on the internet. Just from watching on the internet, yeah. I think they changed a few holes on that par three. From what I heard, I think they... From what I heard, just from watching on the air, I think they changed a par three. He's dotting. Uh-oh.

What a quick 500 on him. He's plus 700. Let's go to the last call of the day here. Let's go to Braden in Michigan. Braden, what's going on from the mid? Yo, what's going on boys How you doing keep moving

Thank you I just wanted a quick question For Tone I'm a Lions fan but Steelers Are my second team here That's not a thing NFC AFC The team didn't go to the fucking playoffs for 45 years

I dealt with a guy who did that before, and it ruined my life. So hang up on this. And I'll actually say this. Some of my best friends are Steelers fans, not Lions fans. It's kind of a thing in Michigan. Steelers are just a big team. Yeah, America's team. Because of wheels on a bus going round and round.

I make it out to Heinz each year for a game. Now it's called the Shrew, so we make it out to the Shrew. A little respect. I was just wondering, Tone, would you rather take a tackle maybe like Paris Johnson or any of those guys out of Ohio, which we currently own here in Michigan? I don't want to say that. Oh! Suck it, Hawk.

Corner. Kind of like Joey Porter Jr. Hello, Weatherstown. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it. He wants to know what steals you're going to do in the draft. I hope they take offensive line the first fucking three runs. Need it. Especially with Canada's offense

with not being able to really design anything that can be explosive, so you're going to need to run the ball. Plus, you win a game in the trenches. We saw it with the Eagles. The Chiefs have a great O-line. The Niners have a great O-line. O-line. O-line. We'll figure out the corner. They added in free agency too. They did.

Herbig, who's a massive son of a bitch. O-line. O-line. We'll figure out the corner. They added in free agency, too. They did. Got C.M. Allu. Oos. Herbig. Herbig, who's a massive son of a bitch. Still need tackles. All right. Well, hopefully they'll be able to figure it out. Can't wait for us to try to predict what every team's going to do during the draft spectacular.

This one's going to be bigger and more enjoyable for us, at least, than ever. Hell yeah. For everybody. We got some real surprises, AJ. Real surprises. Can't wait. I like being surprised like everybody else. Hell yeah. For everybody. We've got some real surprises, AJ. Real surprises. Can't wait. I like being surprised like everybody else. We're exploring the space.

You know, we're really exploring the space. Going to use every inch. We're going to try to at least. Yeah. We'll see what happens. Pac, you want to do a giveaway for the fine people on this winter Wednesday? Smile me. What do you want to do, Pac?

Oh, bullshit. Make some putts. Meow me. Fucking putt things. Putts? I mean, we're one day from the Masters Yeah yeah definitely Putts hard too isn't it

All you gotta do is go one of five All you gotta do is go one of five You gotta make one Okay Alright You go two of five We'll give 15 people $500 On this Masters week.

No pressure. That's all you got to do. And all the people got to do to win is just retweet this video, say something nice to somebody, make the world a little bit better place, and then put the most efficient way to pay you electronically. Something happened to Cash App. Yeah.

T's and P's. 0 for 1, pulled it left again. Let's go ahead and let's remember that. Here we go. Remember that. Good speed. Fucking game. Look at those shoes.

I hate this fucking game. Hope you're happy, AJ. Hope you're happy. He's going to make this one. Okay. Adam Pacman Jones. Another left roll. Fix that green.

Someone needs to fix that break. Move the ball this way. Towards the stage a little bit. Move the ball towards the stage a little bit. Get right in between the two holes. Boom. That's too far. Yeah, maybe back a little bit the other way. There's a... You were there! You were there!

You were there! You were there! No, back towards you. There's a spine. I think there's a spine. A little bit more towards you. Right there, I think. This one's going in for sure. All Pac-Man's got to do is go two or three here and 15 people win $500.

Oh, this would be big. Here we go. Pac-Man just got to go one or two here. 15 people win $500 to retweet this video. Say something nice to somebody and put their most efficient and easy way to pay you electronically, whether that's Venmo, PayPal, or Cash App. Rest in peace.

Rest in peace. Boom, boom, boom. Here it is. Boom, boom. Oh, man. We got to move that ball. You should have been lifting more weights earlier. Oh, instead of running on the treadmill.

Oh, he just slapped you in the mouth. Oh, no. Sorry, you got one more ball. It'll be fine. Hey, that one would have went in, though. That's good news. That was right on. You're pretty much two for two right now.

All you got to do is nail this last one. And 15 people will win $500. Come on, you little gold ball. I saw Pac think about Connor for a good second. Smacking the taste out of his mouth. With the putter. With the putter. Don't worry. We'll all be friends when he makes this one.

Oh, the silence was deafening. Yep. Yep. Yep. Smell him. Smell him. Adam Pacman Jones just won 15 people $500. Wow.

Who retweet this video, say something nice to somebody, and put the easiest way to pay you electronically, whether that's PayPal, Venmo, Cash App. Recipes of the founder. Congratulations, Pat. That was awesome. I made it, AJ. I knew you would, man.

I knew you would. You would have won three of three on those last three, but two of three was good enough to win for the beautiful people they're fucking hating that's why

well that's why that motivated you that made you better George Kittle was great today thank you to him Drew Rosenhaus was fantastic

and so was Eli Manning AJ what a performance from the attic all the boys in the back everybody else we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this every single day

this has been the Pat McAfee show we're going to Chef Bo's we'll see you tomorrow goodbye