The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 888 - Ian Rapoport, Dan Orlovsky, Drew Rosenhaus, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Jalen Hurts’ deal, and how Lamar Jackson was allegedly offered a deal very similar from the Baltimore Ravens, and the different rumors coming out about the NFL Draft as we get closer and closer to the first round next Thursday. Joining the progrum to more fully explain the comps between Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson’s deal and make amends on getting things wrong yesterday is NFL Network Senior Insider and friend of the show, Ian Rapoport (18:02-47:54). Next, 12 year NFL veteran at QB, co-host of NFL Live, and regular on almost every ESPN show, Dan Orlovsky joins the show to chat about the draft process thus far, which QB’s are moving up his list, how he thinks the top 10 is going to shake out, and much more (48:47-1:19:45). Later, Drew Rosenhaus stops by to chat about the changing landscape of NIL, and how he understands certain situations pertaining to NIL (2:04:11-2:08:57). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our Humble Abode, the Thunderdom on this holy shit. It's a real big Tuesday, April 18th, 2023. The sports program starts now. Much mana! Much mana to all of you as well. Pat, why are you sitting in the introduction? Normally you're standing, moving around. Got a lot of people telling me I make a mancy whenever I'm standing. Well, today happens to be a day where my legs are a little bit sore. Oh, really? We've been playing a lot of Thunder Bowl in the sore. We've been playing a lot of Thunderball

in the morning. We've been doing a lot of extra workouts. Legs are a little sore, but the energy is high because there's a lot to talk about in this particular time of the offseason. Obviously, we're just nine days away from the draft. Holy shit. Big things are coming next Thursday night as we host the fourth annual, fourth annual,

fourth annual, fourth annual Draft Spectacular, which is our biggest show of the year, minus Aaron Rodgers coming out of the dark hole saying that he wants to play for the Jets. Yeah, there's 498,000 concurrence. That's never going to happen. That was the top 20 YouTube live of all time. So I don't know if that's going to happen again,

but definitely biggest show of the year. Draft Spectacular will have giveaways, big-time surprises, and will ride the wave of emotions as dreams come true for 31 college players. Normally 32. Miami Dolphins lost their pick because their owner was snooping around in New

England when Tom Brady was there offering him shares of the team to come play quarterback for the Dolphins. They lose their number one pick. 31 picks, but there's going to be a lot of action. Who even knows what's going to happen at the top? Every single day we've got a new narrative to think about. Speaking of a new narrative to think about, we've got Dan Orlovsky joining us today. He'll be joining us in about 56 minutes or so.

Obviously, he's the face of ESPN quarterback talk. He went on and chatted with Peter King, still alive, doing the Monday morning quarterback. Football morning in America. Football morning in America, formerly of the Monday morning quarterback. Great morning in America. Football morning in America. Formerly of the Monday morning quarterback. Great writer. Knows everybody in the NFL. Dan Orlovsky did a Q&A with him listing out his top five quarterbacks.

His second one coming in the draft class is certainly one we'll chat about. Is Anthony Richardson over? Oh. Interesting. Anthony Richardson is number two overall. Interesting. Interesting. We'll talk to him.

He knows a lot about quarterbacks. Been around a lot of them. Played in the NFL a long time. Now everybody's going to say he's not the greatest quarterback of all time. We concur. So does he. Yes. But he does know the NFL rather well.

Has been in there. And has watched the film. The motherfucker watches too much film. He does. And speaking of knowing the game, joining us live on stage in the studio for yet another week in a row. We can't thank him enough. wearing an incredibly fresh prime Atlanta Falcons jersey, Adam Pacman-Jones. Adam! You look awesome.

Oh, thank you, man. You know what I'm saying? The idea, I look good, play good, pay good. Smell me. Smell me. Smell me. Pay good, play good. No, look good, feel good, feel good, play good, play good, pay good.

Pay good, live good. Right. And if you live good, you good, play good. Play good, pay good. Pay good, live good. And if you live good, you die good. And that's all we're trying to do here. Shots brought. Thank you, Pratt. Good luck out there in Colorado. He looks fucking cool in every single video I've seen. I do wonder if any of his contract is incentive-based for ticket sales

like he had at Jackson State because I did see that they post. They sold out all their season tickets this year at Colorado. First time in 40 years. He's a business man. He is unbelievable. I'm happy that we're representing him on the stage and I'm happy that you're here another week, Pac-Man. It's going to be a lot of good conversations that we'll need you to kind

of set us straight on. Speaking of setting us straight, how are you and the Saints fans? You guys good yet? Oh yeah, we're good. I like when that happens. We've seen you kind of want to bat yet again, Adam, this weekend with that little selfie video. I'll stand on what I said. It's a lot of diehard Saints fans that don't believe in what I said.

And so that's why you have a debate. They got a lot of who dat in their Twitter bios. I was seeing the people that you were going at back and forth with. You're never going to win that. USA Today had an article about it. So anytime that starts happening, you got no fucking shot. That's the internet, but I do appreciate the fact that you can have that take and people

will actually take it serious because if we start saying that stuff, nobody takes us serious. Speaking of taking nobody serious, the talkstable is here. At Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt. Not talking about you two. I'm talking about how you guys view the rest of the world. Speaking of at Boston Conner, treating nobody with respect. That's right. The only people you really like are potentially people from Boston.

The Bruins. Massive win last night without the captain. The NHL playoffs were electrifying last evening. And obviously, Posta got the first goal for the Bruins. And the Bruins would go on to win. But the NHL had a big-time night. Yeah, unbelievable. The Minnesota Wilds won in double overtime.

Double overtime. Double OT with like seven minutes to go in double OT. So it wasn't just right away. It was almost damn near five periods of hockey. And then, yeah, obviously we had the Hurricanes beating the hell out of the Islanders and Las Penales. The Kings beat the Oilers, and the Oilers are kind of entering that,

you know, Shohei Otani on the good team is never going to do anything good with McDavid, okay? I'm just going to throw that out there. McJesus might never win a fucking thing with the Oilers. Maybe he should come down to Boston and play with us too. I don't think he should go to Boston. That place sucks. Well, actually, sorry.

Boston, I've heard, is a great city. Great city. Team is even better. But the Bruins already got enough. They didn't even have Patrice Bergeron, the captain. No problem. Didn't need him. Cakewalk.

Won the most games since 2005. The Bruins are okay. He needs to come down to the hockey ton. Well. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. See, Nick knows what I'm talking about.

Yeah, would you trade Crosby for him? No, Crosby's on team. He plays with Sid for a year. He learns how to win cups and then Sid rides off into the glorious... Alright, let's knock this off. Hockey Town is in Detroit, Michigan. Let's not act like Pittsburgh's even close.

That's what hockey is though. Hockey is a place that used to be played in Detroit. Now it's played in every other city that has a team and certainly in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania with the longest playoff series run in the history of sport over the last 15 years. Former playoff run.

Potentially ever. We're rebuilding. Anyways, that fucking guy does need to go to a good team. Connor McDavid, for those that don't know hockey, I understand because you probably came from a city that didn't have a hockey team. There's a lot of those. Hockey is a great sport.

It is watched by a lot of people, but nowhere near as many people that should watch hockey. Yes. Hockey playoffs are great sport. It is watched by a lot of people, but nowhere near as many people that should watch hockey. Yes. Hockey playoffs are fucking awesome. Unbelievable. Flying around. The athletic skill is at a very high level. The physicality is at a very high level.

And the highlights that are coming out of it, very high level. I mean, it is literally top tier across the board, but not a lot of people get into hockey. The reason why is because they don't take advantage of their stars. Their stars are very, I don't want to say quiet, conservative. They're not really role models or influencer or like, hey, people know that guy, want to like that guy, want to root for that guy. There's a dude playing for the Oilers in Connor McDavid who's allegedly the top four hockey player of all time. Unbelievable. That's what of all time. Unbelievable.

That's what people are saying. Yes. Nobody has a clue he fucking exists. He is young, but he's been in the league for how long now, Nick? Four years? No, about seven or eight now. Okay, see, exactly. Nobody fucking even knows this guy.

Bingo. Get him on a team. No offense, Oilers, I know it's big up there, but if we want to grow the sport, we need the Connor McJesuses of the world to be seen by everybody. Everybody that's living in Pac-Man's house needs to be able to see Connor McJesus do his thing on an ice skating every night. We need that to start happening for the good of hockey. But the LA Kings get a big-time win in overtime.

Minnesota double overtime. The Boston Bruins get a fucking win. And then, obviously, the Canes take down the Islanders. Shout-out Frankie Borelli. That's a fucking win. Of course they do. And then obviously the Canes take down the Islanders. Shout out Frankie Borelli. That's a hard one. Yeah, it's tough to win down there in Hurricane. A lot of crazy Caniacs. Well, they also have that siren thing.

Yeah, one of their injured players rang it and the people were going nuts. Normally it's like Bill Cowher or something like that. Yeah, or like the Duke football coach or something. Mike Elko was there last night. He did. But you almost rang it that one time. I was asked to.

I said, no, thank you. I'm a Packers fan, but it is quite an honor to be able to do that. Thank you, Bill Carr. Yeah, what's that about? Well, he moved the area. I think he's pretty tight with everybody. Okay, sure. He's a good guy.

NBA had a big-time night last night, too. At-tone digs, one-half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys. All anybody's talking about is Draymond Green stepped on a guy. Is that the big story of the night for the NBA playoffs, Don? Yeah, I would say that's a big story. The Nets went up early on the Sixers, but the Sixers came back and handled business.

That series too well. That one's not going to last very long. And then, yeah, the biggest news of the night is Kings going up 2-0 on the Warriors. And Draymond, I mean, it wasn't his worst step or kick or tackle of all time, but as far as basketball goes, it's something that I don't think you're allowed to do slash supposed to do. So that is what everyone's talking about today.

I do like that it was a little bit of a coup de grace there at the end. Shout out to Finn Balor. Obviously, 14 staples on his head. Guy was holding his leg. The bonus is a dog. Draymond's a dog. I guess the refs can't really do anything in that situation. Looks bad.

A lot of eyes are on this particular thing. You did stomp on him. He's holding my leg. We got to kick you out. Like, that's one of those. That's like when a guy in a deck hockey game takes his stick, slaps a guy that's in the crowd right in the face, and then thinks, like, yo, we kind of have to kick you out for that.

That's what I feel like they had to do for Draymond. Fuck all that. I like that he talks shit afterwards, and that's who Draymond is. Let's talk about some stats, Pac. Here we go. Since the seven-game series has started for the NBA playoffs, teams that go up 2-0 have won 92% of the series. The Sacramento Kings, I know that place was rowdy last night.

That city has been upside down because of the Kings' success. If they go on to knock out Golden State, we're talking about Rudy type stuff. Oh, yeah. We're talking about underdog stories that are fantastic. And on the other side, 2-0 as well. There are going to be a couple quick sweeps here early in the NBA playoffs. And what do you think about Golden State potentially not making it back?

First of all, Golden State haven't played defense in one of these games. The Kings have came out and played unbelievable defense and have scored at will. I don't think Golden State win this series. 92% of the time it says they will not go on.

They would have to find themselves in the 8% of the time where you're down 2-0 and come back and win a seven-game series. Little on first round, second round, when that is. First round, I assume down 2-0, probably out. Oh, yeah, I would agree. I would assume probably much higher rates just because of the differentiating of skill. But Steph and Klay.

You can't count Steph out. He's one of the faces of the differentiating of skill. But Steph and Klay. You can't count Steph out. He's one of the faces of the NBA. He can give you 70 on one night. Mike can give you 40 on one night. But this Golden, I mean, this Kings team, they're a good team. This team is excited when they had White Chocolate, I would say. J. Will. J. Will, way back in that time.

This is a good team. It's going to be hard because Steph, be hard because Coach Curry done switched it up. He don't know what to do. He slowed it down. They went with a smaller lineup. I don't think this is a good match for them. And with all the shit that's going on with Draymond, it worked at the beginning.

That shit is not working right now. How about when he punched Jordan Poole in the face? It's not working right now. How about when he just punched Jordan Poole right in the face? It's not working right now. That was tough. How about we just punch Jordan Poole right in the face? That's how the season started. Exactly. And then the season's potentially going to end with Draymond stomping somebody, getting kicked out, team going down 2-0,

and getting beat by the Sacramento Kings, who people didn't even know was in the NBA. No offense. No, no. No offense. They're plus 25,000 to win their division at the start of the season. You ask a lot of people in cities that don't have NBA teams. All right, list off every NBA team in California.

If you get it right, you will win a million dollars. I would assume in Pittsburgh, 75% to 80% of the people are not saying Sacramento Kings. At least. They don't even get a chance to think about it. Yeah, it might be 90, 95%. It might be. Like, you go to another city that doesn't. Now, Indiana obviously loves basketball, so it's hard for me to say you go here.

But you go to any city that doesn't have an NBA team. Ohio. You go to Ohio. Go to any part of Ohio. Yeah. Go to any part of Ohio. Even maybe people in Cleveland. Since, you know, the Cavaliers

I've heard are even better. But even there, because it's a football state. You go ahead and name all the teams in California. They go, well, you got the Lakers, you got the Clippers. Oh, you tried to give me a Golden State. Golden State is also there. And San Diego,

they don't have a team anymore, right? No. Okay, that's No. No. Okay, that's it. Final answer. Give me my million. And be like, Sacramento Kings. Yeah. They're still in.

That would be the reaction. I thought they were expansion. Didn't they go to Oklahoma City? Yeah, it didn't work. Hey, the team, they went to San Antonio. Like, that's how people would think. Now they're about to beat fucking Steph Curry. Clay Thompson couldn't make a shot. No.

There was a couple moments where ball goes to Clay Thompson, and it's like, hey, it's the playoffs, Clay. And like, okay, this is what Clay does, and it was not a make. It feels like in the past those balls were going in. Have they lost their way over there? You're talking about stats, okay? Warriors this year, they were on the road for the first two games. They were 11-31 on the road this year.

They are 33-8 at home. So if anything is good for them, they got these next two games at home. They are going to eventually have to win one on the road two games, they are 11-31 on the road this year. They are 33-8 at home. So if anything is good for them, they got these next two games at home. They are going to eventually have to win one on the road, though, if they want to win this. That's because that pregame shot that Steph does goes in more at home than it does on the road because he has the spot on the stage. You know what I mean? Like you go to a show or something, they got little X's on the stage.

Nowhere to go. Okay, this is happening here. Yeah, your mark. So at the Golden State House, Oracle, Steph has all his marks. Hey, this is a 55% throw high, big bounce, fall in.

And when that ball falls, it's not just Steph. Klay Thompson feels that. Draymond Green says, you know what? Instead of stomping on somebody tonight, I'll just kind of let it pass, and then I'll tackle him the next series like I have actually done in the past. Like, just the vibes are so much better there. So maybe if they are able to get back home, they tie this thing up.

It's 2-2, 1-1-1? Is that what it is? Yep. I don't think so. What? Yeah, you just said you're not going to be able to get it. You don't think they'll be able to win two straight at home? We just heard some great stats saying they're –

11-31 versus 33-8 at home. That is – I'd assume that's the wildest discrepancy of all time. So are they mentally weak? They just don't like sleeping in hotel beds? Their tummies hurt? What happened? Sounds like it. Tummy might hurt.

Tummy hurts. You think their tummies hurt, Pac? No, you know that at-home routine is a lot better than going on the road. Agreed, but they're professionals, and they clearly suck on it. They can't figure it out. Can we get some four-season pillows? I was on something this weekend. Best pillows I've ever had in my life.

Unbelievable. Looking for these pillows to travel with me to my house. Like, even to – they just can't find a good pillow, good night's rest. Stats, too. They score better at home, too. They do not shoot the ball good on the road. This is where they want to be. Yeah, best bet is to take them to win the series.

Whoa. Have to. Because if they do go on to win the series, because this is the conversation, you can't rule out Steph and Klay, and there's the whole game six, Klay, and the sixth game of the series, the last one was. Yeah, all right, we'll see. Klay didn't even know what a hoop was yesterday.

And then one game. Everybody marries Russell Westbrook. He went 3-19. He was like, he took over that fucking game. Russell Westbrook took over that game defensively, effort-wise, in the suites when he went and fought that guy in front of his kid. I mean, like, he took over that entire arena, even though he could not make a fucking bucket. It's like, yo, Clay, we need you to start.

Steph, too, I think, right? You want to see somebody that took over Arena? Did y'all get to see Embiid? Embiid was 18 rebounds, 18 points. Like, he had an unbelievable game. How much did you say they were down? Sixers? Sixers, I think they were down by like 10 in the second quarter at one point.

And then they won by 12. They covered. Shout out to the Sixers. Shout out to basketball happens. We'll get somebody who knows more about basketball the next time we dive in and talk about that. But it is big news. Draymond Green stepped on a motherfucker. And then he got ejected. And that has led to a lot of people tweeting

about all of the things that Draymond Green has done throughout his NBA career. It's surprising he's still liked. He does that podcast and people love it. We assume this next one's going to be awesome. Created new media pretty much. Oh yeah, new media. Hashtag new media. I forgot about

that whole thing. Logan Swain up for an Emmy as well. Obviously. Forbes 30 under 30 or 40 under 40. Boom. Shout out to Volume Network Doing that hashtag new media creating it The whole thought Though that all those highlights

Or lowlights I guess we'll call them happen And he's still very well respected I think goes on to say how cool of a guy he probably is For sure but also He has to be a really cool guy to do all that type of stuff And still be liked by people But also why he gets absolutely no benefit of the doubt from the refs. It's like, hey, dickhead, we've seen you do this a billion times.

You intentionally stepped on him. Now we've got to throw you out of the game. He did a Hulk Hogan boot to the face as a guy who was just trying to run a classic pick and roll. He just knocked out middle of the game. And then what? Foot up six feet in the sky.

Right on the jaw. After doing this. Right. And what? NBA is the best. Oh, yeah. They complain about every single call. Every. Now, granted, everything is a call in basketball,

which is why after the Tim Donahue situation takes place, it's hard not to say, oh, everything's rigged. That is all fake. Because a guy would just accidentally boom and then, oh, and one. Then he overhits out of nowhere. Excuse me. What all are you controlling? How much do you know about?

Because if everything can be a foul, how does that... Isn't that a lot of power in those whistles? Points. And then people bitch about every single call, so they don't think it should be called. It's an interesting dilemma that the NBA has with that. Absolutely.

Yeah, and that's a huge storyline for tonight because Scott Foster is refereeing the Suns-Clippers game. And Scott Foster is 14-0 against Chris Paul. Yeah, he hates Chris Paul. Yeah, Chris Paul has never won a game when Scott Foster's the referee. Well, it's not going to happen tonight. Uh-uh. Joining us now is a man who is not in the NBA world.

He's in the news-breaking world. And yesterday, he broke some news that I guess people already knew, but the way in which he delivered the breaking news made people think that it was actually breaking news. Turns out what he said, not 100%

accurate. No! To face this scrutiny, ladies and gentlemen, senior insider for the NFL, the NFL Network, NFL.com, and the NFL streaming service, NFL Plus. Host of the Insiders on any podcast network platform

and also host of the weekly wrap-up of Rap Sheet and Friends, us being a friend, he being the guy who fucking lied yesterday. Ian Rappaport. Ian, let's get right to it. I know you have NBA takes. I know you're ready to break down Draymond Green's stomp. I know

there's probably other stuff that's more important, but we need to break down what you and Sarah Ellison had concocted yesterday to put the entire internet and the world into a tizzy. You said that Lamar Jackson is offered $200 million guaranteed.

And we said, what? What? That happened? How have we missed that? Then Sarah Ellison at SG Ellison, she actually had a tweet that said, total guarantees for Jalen Hurts, 174. Total guarantees for Lamar Jackson, 200 million.

So you, being the insider that you are with the big brain that you have, and Sarah who we've learned knows a lot about the Ravens, she covers the Ravens, she's an absolute dog when it comes to coverage. So we kind of got a two-piece. We got a setup, you know what I mean? We got a boom, there's Ian Rappaport.

Yeah, you idiot. And then bang, some more. And we all thought we were the dumbest people of all time we were like how the fuck have we missed this we like to pride ourselves on being an nfl program we have talked about lamar jackson's case so many different times we had an agent on here drew rosenhouse pitching to become lamar's agent i thought we had known everything about it yesterday you guys kind of changed that whole thing. Then we started looking into it a little bit when we were off the air. Turns out

you were fucking wrong. What is that all about? Why'd you do that to us? What's that all about? Why'd you try to ruin my Monday? I was having a good Monday. Yeah, great thing. And then you just lied to me. And you lied to all of us, Ian. What's that all about? Well, I think you're misremembering certain things. No.

Elephant, they say. I can find Helm if I had to. That's right. I retweeted. This show lives in perpetuity on YouTube. It's actually quite popular on YouTube as well. It really does actually great numbers. You could go back, and there's a great clip of me looking a lot more professional than I do right now with probably a lot more makeup. Oh, the insights.

Well, that also lives on YouTube, by the way. Wow, thanks for filming it. Of course. And you're wearing a t-shirt. This is insider rep. Similar numbers, but not quite where you guys are, but pretty good numbers. You'll get there. Good show.

You both lied, but go ahead. All three, I guess. What I said was I believed there was 200 million guarantees, but at some point in the deal, it springs or basically he earns it at some point in the deal. That's what you said. I'm sure. I mean, we have not gone back and listened to the way you phrased it exactly. It wasn't.

But what you just said was definitely not it. Okay, I just did the whole elephant recall thing. Just for you guys, I have all the details. Would you like all the details? Okay, so let's just tell you what we read after the show ended. It was like, yeah, he has $200 million in guarantees if he's on the roster in 2040 or something like that. It was being implied, I believe, by your answer. We don't know exactly how you ordered it, but we do know that the way we took it and the way every other

person that was breaking news took it was like $200 million in that virtually guaranteed thing that is like next year if he's on the roster, gets the team. It was three years down the road. That's not real. That's not anywhere near what Jalen got

versus what Lamar got, but you have all the information. I will allow you to correct all of us. It is actually near what Jalen got versus what Lamar got, but you have all the information. I will allow you to correct all of us. It is actually near what Jalen got. Alright, but here's the deal. If you guys want to write this down, this will help you remember it. Help us remember? Oh, isn't that interesting?

This is like when old buddy told me, Schultz told me, I think I confused you. Confused me? I think I confused you. Confused me? No, no, no. I think you were the – Yeah, you're confused. I think we're confused on who was confused. But, okay, I will – If you could clear it up for us, obviously, we'd appreciate it.

Okay, I got you. So before the season, last season, the Ravens offered Lamar Jackson a five-year extension. He was already on the fifth-year option. A five-year extension for $250,000, so $50,000 a year. So that altogether is – he would be under contract for six years, but he would have five years of new money for 250. Jalen Hurts got a five-year 255 extension. Now, obviously, they are not the same players.

Omar was an MVP, but Jalen also went to the Super Bowl, so comparable enough. So basically a year later, Jalen gets 51 a year on a five-year extension. The new cash, so take out what they were making. So take out Lamar's 23 a year, a 23 in this season,

and take out Jalen's salary. Take out the salaries that are already on the books. 4.3 for Jalen, 22. 4.3 for jaylen 23 for lamar take him out yeah okay lamar's new cash by the end of the first year would be 87.6 million okay so i see that you're going with a different way of elaborating why you were potentially yeah we're just making up new numbers yeah i got it 87 jaylen hurts his cash by the end of the first year was 60.

Okay. So that is an indication that Lamar's offer cash-wise was pretty strong. Okay. Let's get to the guarantees. Lamar is six years. Jalen is fourth. Go on. Right. True.

They are not comparable, and I would say Lamar has more leverage. Yeah, we can do this all. I can nitpick all day. But anyways, let's get to you. Guarantee. Lamar Jackson, 175 guaranteed for injury 133 fully guaranteed jalen hurts 179.3 guaranteed for injury 110 fully guaranteed and then you get to the springing or vesting option however you you want to say it, the guaranteed at best.

He gets an additional 25 guaranteed for injury in March of 2026. Jalen? No, just Lamar. So 2026, Lamar. 2026. Okay, that's four years. Three years. No, no, it's the fourth year. Yeah, it's the fourth year of his would-be extension.

So he would get a guarantee. Basically, when his guarantees run out, he would get $25 million more in guarantees. That is essentially all of it. No, what about the $64 million to Jalen next year, right? Because it's $174 million total. What are you talking about? Cash or guarantee or what? So $ talking about cash or guarantee what? So 110 is his only guarantee? What's his virtual guarantee?

179.3. Okay, so when's that? It's his injury guarantee. So Lamar, 175. Jalen Hurts, 179.3 guaranteed for injury. Got it. So 110 is his only fully guaranteed then? Right.

Three days into the next league year, there's no new bonus that's popping in? I haven't seen it, so I don't know if there's a vesting guarantee. That'd be one piece of the puzzle that's missing. Pretty big. And, you know, these details will come out, but this is what I know right now to compare these two deals. So the 2026 was the reason

why Lamar didn't like it, you think? Like, why? What do we what do we think? The problem with this whole thing Tell me where, tell me where. I'm going through the same thing. I'm just being completely honest.

Lamar is not of an agent, and his camp doesn't really you know, sort of – his camp is like him and his mom and maybe another person. So to understand why this wasn't something that he would accept or counter, I honestly am not sure. And that's been – Well, he can't accept it.

He can't accept it because he's damn near $40, $50 million up under what Hurts got. He's got to push it out for four years. No, he's not. $25 million would be the big thing coming in 2026, but he could have countered that for that to come 2024. Right. He could say,

well, move it one year forward or two years forward. He's not getting cut. Good quarterbacks almost never get cut. That's why good quarterbacks. He's worried about getting hurt, right? That's the whole thing. That's why the 175 versus 179, still a fucking ton of money. A ton.

A shitload. But he's got 111 coming? Yeah. We was talking about $50 million for quarterbacks. Now we're talking $60 million for quarterback. To me, new money, you go and get the new money. Yeah, the new cash there for Jalen at $60 million, and then Lamar's at $87 million.

Is this accurate? Feels like I'm going to get off this call with you again, and then I'm going to have to be like, guy's wrong again. Shit storm on the internet. You're not saying that. So it's only $25 million in 2026? Because I thought that number was going to be a lot bigger, like $60-some million. I thought that's that number was going to be a lot bigger, like $60-some million.

I thought that's what that was going to be. That's the reporting. That's how they can report the $200 because of that $25 because they assume he's going to be on the roster that year because they paid him all this money and he's their franchise quarterback. So the $175 is the injury. What does that mean? He has to get hurt to get the $175? Or what's that mean? It basically means

if he gets injured and can't play and then they would cut him he gets the money no matter what oh is that like a lloyd's oh so if they just cut him because he gets injured so who decides that because that's another what 42 million if he can't pass a physical like there are there have been players who should i wish i could remember one there have been players who've been cut and have like, you know, $20 million guaranteed for injury and then just get all of it. That's how you protect yourself. We had the receiver, Brown, with the Bengals.

He got hurt first day of camp. Never played a down. Got all $20 million. Did that happen to Albert? Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown? Yeah, who played with us in Cincinnati. He was a wide receiver.

I forget where he came from. AB, huh? Is Antonio Brown? Yeah, who played with us in Cincinnati. He was a wide receiver. I forget where he came from. AB, huh? Is Antonio Brown AB? Not the AB. Yeah, I know. Does he know about this other Antonio Brown? He's from Florida. I can't think what other team he played for.

But this has happened for a long time, you're saying? Yes, yes. And this is how players, you know, it's not a great situation, but, like, this is a win for players. This is how you protect yourself. You get injured, you can't play, you get money. Because if you can't play, that's the money you're going to get. If you can't play,

another deal's coming. Right, yeah. So then there's more money on the way. Jeez Louise, dudes. Alright? What's going on? Is that wrong? Are you wrong? Are you 100% right with that? Right. But this is the problem.

Good source. You're saying good source, good sourcing. Very good source. And Jalen Steele, I think, is a really, really good deal. He's the highest paid player in NFL history. That is a really good deal. Lamar's deal, was it? I mean, obviously, it wasn't perfect because he didn't accept it.

But there's a lot to like. Was it, I mean, obviously it wasn't perfect because he didn't accept it, but there's a lot to like. And I think him sort of not countering is probably the thing that's most frustrating. Like they can't get him to be like, here's what I really want. Let's make this happen in the realm of reasonable. Oh, he was waiting for somebody else to sign. He was waiting for Jalen to sign.

Now he has something that the comps, you know what I mean? Okay. You guys didn't want to Sean to be the comps, which is what I mean? You guys didn't want Deshaun to be the comps, which is what I wanted to be the comps. No offense to Kyler or Russell Wilson at this stage. You guys are not my comps. Derek Carr, not my comp. Now Jalen Hurts is a good

comp here. Made it to the Super Bowl. That team's doing their thing. He is younger. Doesn't have an MVP. Burrow would be a perfect example, actually, for what it could be. Now, styles are different, but the Ravens have already said, that is our style. So they've already kind of gone all in there.

So Lamar was just waiting for a blueprint. He was just waiting for some comps. He was just waiting for some comps. That's all it was. Right, Peck? The comps should already be. I'm just saying, if this was the contract that the Ravens should already be not i'm just saying if this was the contract that the ravens offered if you can move the fourth year with the 25 million this is a a pretty decent deal i would

say yeah i would be i would be vastly but i will i would want to know is this the deal exactly well that's the thing we keep asking him you just gotta you feel like you got a great source because this is something yeah as we all were talking about it being bullshit, the offer, I guess you talked about this yesterday, the Ravens should have wanted people to know. Because normally the teams, quickly to you guys, like, hey, we offer them $110 million. Ask your people if that's fair enough.

And then somebody goes out and goes, Jerry Jones offered Dak Prescott $110 million. He's fresh off of the worst injury of all time. He's trying his best, Cowboys fans. So the Cowboys fans go, Jerry's trying his fucking best. Jerry, $110 million and the guy didn't even play. Normally, teams are very adamant.

How can we spin this as we're the good guys, not the player? That's a huge part of this whole thing. I feel like we've had it wrong this whole time if that is the case and that's why when you said it yesterday it's like big news around the internet like hey this is the actual breakdown of it you would have thought the ravens would have wanted people to know this that they yeah that they offer somewhere at least close to what they yes

that he just got what jaylen just got off which everybody's saying is good it's like hey we offered that and while we're all kind of wrong, why didn't you fix it, Ian? Did you just find this out? Did you text him? How did this whole thing go? Why didn't you fix it, Ian? Why didn't you fix us, Ian? Why didn't you fix us, dude?

Good question. Good question. As soon as Jalen got done, you know, report the numbers, tweet a bunch of times, probably too much, but whatever. No, no, that's what Twitter is. You're supposed to tweet. It's Twitter. People are like, you tweet too much.

Okay, you're blocked. See you. I don't tweet anymore ever. Okay, see you later. It's Twitter, bro. Okay, get off Twitter if you don't want to see tweets. Anyways, go ahead, Ian. We're on the same page there.

Yeah, fuck this. My first question was like, okay, well, how similar is this to Lamar? And like I was saying yesterday, some of this stuff I knew, but probably not – definitely not all of it. And so it's interesting to compare side by side. Jalen's deal, really good. Lamar's deal, also really good. Now, if he's doing what you said, which is just waiting for these other deals to get done, waiting for the landscape to define itself and reset, and then is going to come in higher, I say, that's awesome. Do that. Come up with a deal that you like, make more than probably most of them, and then we're done here. I just don't know if that's the case. Well, he's not going to make more than most of them. He's not going to make nowhere near where Burrow's getting.

You don't think so? He's not going to make nowhere near where of them. He's not going to make nowhere near what Burrow's getting. You don't think so? He's not going to make nowhere near what. You talking about Lamar or Jalen? Lamar. Lamar's not going to make what Burrow's going to get. He ain't the same type of caliber quarterback. That's interesting. Rap, what's that sound all about?

What are you making that sound for? I don't. If I'm Lamar, I don't know who's going first. And remember, just the mechanics of Lamar's deal, if he's going to get a new deal because he's on the franchise tag, it has to be before July 17th. So if Burrow signs on July 18th, Lamar can't go over him because. But he has the Jalen deal right now.

Right. Correct. And this is like, you know what I mean? And that's helpful. Now, granted, the Eagles, right? A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, Goddard, they have invested in that team around him. So Lamar still has a little leverage there. Like, hey, you guys really have it.

Odell just got here. Thank you. You know, like. About time. We're in year six now. Thank you for doing this. So that's a little leverage, too. Like, percentage of worth to offense.

Like, you can spin that in a conversation to do like percentage of worth to offense like you can spin that yeah in a conversation to do what you got to do same thing with the bangles i mean joe burrow obviously a fucking dog yeah missed a good portion of his first year has jamar t the whole team around it super nice kid but he's a fucking killer i mean joe burrow is an absolute killer they will pay him whatever they can i think that number is going to be, hey, this is the max number that we can get to. I think that's what the Joe Burrow deal is going to be with the Bengals. Am I wrong on that? No, you're definitely right.

I think that's going to be the case. Like, what is the max percentage? Yeah. I mean, and, like, it's like they've known forever that Burrow is a franchise quarterback. I mean, he is all of the thing. Anything you could say good about a quarterback, he is all of it. And the Bengals have known. They are preparing for this.

I'm sure the number is going to be large. I'm sure he's going to be the highest paid and he's going to deserve it and probably more. He's cerebral. He's cool. He's accurate. He's smart. Super handsome. Charming.

Money. Alright, we got a couple more questions for you is that okay on this uh unscheduled we're good i do like the fact that you said uh because i gave you a heads up that we were basically gonna tell you you're wrong and you said i'm not wrong i'm not i mean i kind of omitted the 2026 information right but that's only 25 million dollars yeah like everybody's thinking this is like 60 some million which is what my thought my thought was like it's 60 some million dollars down in 2026 25 you can counter and move that fuck you can you can even split that 12 and a half 12 and a half you can even yeah you know what i mean you can move that back two years split it 12 and a half 12 and a half there's dev let's get that done now hey now we got a comp now we got a real comp.

We feel like the market is settled. It sucks he's not getting a Deshaun Watson deal, but the fucking Browns have sucked for a long time. So they were pretty desperate. They did what Jimmy Haslam has done over the long course, which is just fuck it and then go for it. That is kind of what he has done.

I hope this gets a deal done for the mark. Congrats to Jalen. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, R question for you yeah rap sheet the cardinals and bidwell there's a lot of information coming out it's kind of hard to decipher what the hell is going on is this as serious as say the commanders and snyder and do you think this is kind of a situation that might explode in the cardinals face um i do not know enough to answer that question, and I don't know when I will. I've seen the allegations, very serious, from Terry McDonough, and he's come back and he texted a local radio host basically saying Michael Bidwell's tenure is going to be over. I don't know that that's the case. I know that there's been a lot of allegations that are being

looked into and somebody needs to figure out if they are real and then if they are real, what does that mean? So what happened? This guy was there for a long time. He was vice president. He gets fired. He's pissed. Fuck everybody. That's what the internet's kind of spinning it

right now. But a jaded ex is somebody who would potentially want to who would know everything and want to come after you is that what this is because i did read that text message to the first ever daily sports podcast that's right i believe was the name of the title i believe was the which shout out to the og hey we appreciate you we've been in there that text message though is that true the first ever, shout out to the OG. Hey, we appreciate you. We've been in there. That text message, though. Is that true? The first ever podcast?

Must be. That's what the Twitter bio said. So I believe it. In 2009, I think, started. Congrats to that guy. Yeah, shout out. Shout out. Shout out.

I forget the name. We should be able to find it right now. Yeah, Doug Franz. Unplugged Doug. Here's an excerpt of a text conversation with ex-Arizona Cardinals. What is that? Because I thought he was a vice president. Is he assistant GM? Is that what he was a vice president. Is he assistant GM?

Is that what he was? I guess. Yeah. Terry McDonough's situation to go through NFL arbitration. The top is Terry McDonough saying what he thinks Michael Bidwell's thoughts were when writing the response. I don't know what that means. But, like, some interesting stuff was said in that text message to Doug Franz. And I don't know if Terry McDonough was talking about Terry McDonough or if he was talking about bid will, because I don't we don't really know anything.

It's not really said anything. And then there was a cheating excerpt where it's like he was using a phone. Yeah, it's called Steve. It's like nobody gives a fuck about that. Yeah, like people might he might get fined for that for cheating and it's like the owners might be like hey you can't do that here's a million dollar fine or a sixth round draft pick or fifth round draft pick penalty we can't have this be a normal thing when people get suspended but have we heard anything else from this and what who how's how did we get think? Well, so the there are some allegations about the way Michael Bidwell treated people, which did not sound great. I have not seen them corroborated. I'm sure that there are some, you know, there's a lot corroborating evidence to show that all of this was the case or not. And I don't know which. I mean, it is, Terry McDonough is obviously very upset. He was a high ranking executive who seemed to be on the path toward being a general manager,

had general manager interviews, I believe, and then moved to i think charlotte or like the charlotte area kind of became a consultant and then eventually his contract ran out and wasn't renewed and then like three or so years later you get this lawsuit and so like i have a lot more questions and answers but i you know i wish it came out of nowhere this can't oh yeah this seemingly has come out of nowhere almost. And not that like Bidwell. He's been talking privately about this for a couple years. I just didn't know what this was.

No, no, no. I only found this out recently. Okay, got it. I didn't know what this was. It's interesting. Hopefully we learn everything. And if anything terrible is going on, the NFL does not need to be represented by people that treat it poorly. And the shield should be respected.

Respect the shield. That is what we're told. Obviously, we hope everybody's doing that. With the commander situation that just happened, everybody was like, oh, this is the new. This is the new. It's like, does somebody know more than I do? I haven't read much.

And in that particular text, it sounded like he outed himself a little bit more than he outed Bidwell. And I was like, I don't think I'm smart enough to understand it. Happy to hear you don't know any either, but hopefully the truth will come out and the best will happen for all parties involved with the NFL. With their facility being the shits. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, this is a run of. Multiple things. You know, Buda once traded. On the other hand, new coach, new GM, and they know all of these things. Buddha once traded. On the other hand, new coach, new GM, and they know all of these things. All of these things. Hopefully,

all this is coming around in a better way for them, for the players, for everyone. For the league, for the society, for the community, for everything. Tony Diggs has a question for you, Rep. Obviously, around draft time, there's a lot of rumors. There's a lot of bullshit, whatever. So I wouldn't normally ask.

But then I've been seeing a lot of rumors. So is there a smoke-fire situation where the Steelers, I saw last week, potentially want to trade up with the Bears. Then I saw Pete King write in his Friday or Monday. Monday morning. Football morning in America. Football morning in America. Don't be such a disgusting pig.

He also reported on that. Is there any truth to potentially Steelers moving up? I'm sure there are conversations that have been happening. Now, would the Bears move back again, go from 1-9 back to... 17.

That's a long way to go. know on the other hand that's how you build a franchise is you just collect endless draft picks you got to use them eventually but like if this is maybe not like the stellar stellar deep draft that a lot of people thought it was like collecting picks and just take a bunch of shots is is fine um i'm sure the steelers are thinking about it, but I don't know how much, you know, the problem with all this draft reporting, and I do plenty of it and you could sort of pick it apart. And I'm sure people will. So the Steelers could be like, we want, you know, sorry, you got me now.

The Steelers could be like, all right, we want to, we want to, you know, plot out a potential trade. And then the guy's not there. And it's like, all right, we're be like all right we want to we want to you know plot out a potential trade and then the guy's not there it's like all right we're done we don't want to trade like that happens a lot and so I'll have stuff prepared like all right this happened this team is definitely going to trade and then the player is gone it's like okay well I guess they're just picking so yeah everything seems to be thrown at the wall at this point this could happen this could happen you ask four different people in this office every single morning what they think is going to happen. They have a new team being

traded for a different situation. Are you have breaking news happening right now? No. Any coming? I wish, but no. Breaking, breaking news? Yeah, revisionist news like you did with the Lamar Jackson contract. That was breaking news.

Hopefully at some point in the near future the Rodgers deal happens, but that probably will be next week. Any update? No update. It doesn't even sound like there's been much conversation. What the fuck? Are they trying to get a deal done over here? What are we doing?

They just assume the deal is going to get done? I think at the last minute it can get done. It'll probably get done. So I would imagine that's next week. Not an OTA is thrown at his new guy. Yeah, well, if he's – I mean, do they even want the team to succeed? If you're going to pay a quarterback $60 million, he might as well be at a fucking OTA.

He's not there. You know why? I mean, he's not a big OTA guy anyway. That might have been different. We don't know. Especially whenever the president of the team is like, well, if what we want to happen doesn't happen, You know why? I mean, he's not a big OTA guy anyway. That might have been different. We don't know. We don't know that. Especially whenever the president of the team is like, well, if what we want to happen doesn't happen,

I guess we'll let the guy we're giving $60 million back around. Yeah. Jeez, he was going to go to OTAs this year. He was, yeah. That was part of the darkness. That was part of the darkness, wasn't it? That's right. That sounds fake. That is satirical.

That is not real. Please do not run with that. We are in the time of that sentence becoming breaking news. I don't know shit about fuck. Pac-Man has the last question for you here, Rep. Rep, the general manager for the Texans have came out and said he's open and willing to seek trade for the number two pick. What does this mean to us as the people?

Does this mean that the guy that he like is not going to be there? Does it mean that he's testing the waters? I just don't understand why come out in public and say it. Doesn't that rattle the fans or something? Good question. I was slightly surprised by this yesterday because I think most people believe the Texans are going to take a quarterback at two, and then I know we discussed this before,

but there's all these rumors like, well, maybe they just take a position player and they take a quarterback later um still seems far-fetched to me but that is kind of the rumor and so you know basically what the Texans did was kind of lean into the rumor and go we'll accept all phone calls because you don't you know what if now I mean would the Colts trade in the division would they they and the Texans and the Colts do a deal? That seems hard to imagine. But maybe the Raiders or I have no idea. Hey, I'm viewing that right. There's no way the Texans are going to trade with the Colts, right?

For us to go get a franchise quarterback? I would be stunned. I would be very stunned. Schrag, who had the best mock last year. And then have to face him twice a year? Yeah. If he's a guy, I mean, that was – Schrags put it out there, but that's why I thought like, oh, so we're getting a third quarterback

because we all assumed that Houston was going to take a quarterback. Then you said we all kind of understand that they're going to take quarterback. That has kind of changed over like the last week or so. Big time. It kind of has. You still think they're taking a QB though? I do, but either all these rumors have substance and something got out of the Texans' building

and everyone in the world now knows that they're going to take Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, whoever the top defensive player is, or, I mean, the Texans are pretty buttoned up. There's not a lot of stuff that leaks there, and that's kind of part of the problem is I'm like, everyone knows the Texans' game plan? That doesn't sound like them. So maybe it's out on purpose.

But then, like, what's the actual, you know, maybe to make sure the Colts are like, cool, we can just sit here and, you know, we'll just wait for a quarterback and then one will be. But this is why the draft is the greatest, because one of those answers is true. And I have no idea which. And that's why the Draft Spectacular, Thursday, April 27th, live right here. YouTube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee Show. We'll be electrifying. We've got big surprises, big guests.

Ian will be doing his thing on the network. Ian, don't be tipping picks this year. No. Come on. No tipping picks. You probably couldn't even do it. That's because you don't have the connections to be able to do it. But this year, we want everybody to agree, no tipping picks.

No tipping. Okay, deal? I'm anti-tipping. Deal, yeah. Of course, you hate those fronts. I watch on the monitor, and then when Roger Goodell says the word, then I can tweet it. And that's why we're normally seven to ten minutes ahead of you

on the Draft Spectacular. Not your fault. Certainly not ours either, though. Nope. Ladies and gentlemen, an absolute stallion of a man. Thank you for coming in and making us all much smarter every time you visit. Thought we were going to be able to bury you today. Thought we were going to be able to dunk on you like we were Tom Pelissero.

Pwned for it. But we weren't. Yeah, I wouldn't say Pellicero really dunked on me, but I did mention that he hates kickers, and I texted him yesterday that you know that he hates kickers, so that's kind of out.

The message has been delivered. Obviously, I love kickers. No, you don't. The best piece of journalism that you've ever done is about a kicker getting his life ruined from missing kicks. And you took pride and you said you bopped to that story. So that is a part of the pro-

Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Wright. I'm done with it. Thank you, Ian. Joining us now live from Nattuck in Ohio is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion. He was a Ryder Cup champion, but actually he's just a Ryder Cup winner. That's right. He's a COVID survivor,

father of 10, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, and the champion of Ohio, Ohio's finest face of Ohio, A.J. Hawk. Steve Jobs with the Turtleneck. You look so cool. Thank you for joining us, A.J.

How you doing? I'm doing great. How you guys doing? Well, I thought I was going to dunk on Ian Rappaport earlier. Turns out he was still right. He doubled down and brought stats with him this time. So that was an interesting little series of events in the first hour. Lamar Jackson allegedly offered a lot of money by the Baltimore Ravens. We did not know that until just yesterday. So hopefully that'll be able to get a deal done with the Jalen Hurts deal getting done.

There's some comps. Let's get a couple hundred million dollars into Lamar Jackson's pocket. He has certainly earned it. Joining us now is another man who's earned a couple hundred million dollars. Hell yeah. I don't know, AJ, if they'll ever pay him the proper amount of money that he is owed. Because all he's done for an entire society, entire fan base, entire community, is make them smarter when it comes to quarterback play, football play as a whole.

He'll step into the batter's box and take some hacks at everything. I mean, he has a take on fucking everything. Is he always right? No. But a majority of the time, guy makes some good points. That's right. That's because he studies, he's earnest. Over 10 years in the NFL, now the face of ESPN. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Hey, guys.

Hey, what's up, bud? What's up, bud? How are you? Hey, thank you for joining us. Are you working right now? Are you an off time? Where are we at right now for Dan Orlovsky's life? No, today off. First of all, always good to be on with you.

Serious moment. I always say probably the two of the best things that ever happened to this television world I have are being on Stephen A's show a ton and being on your show, even though it's not on TV. So I'm always thankful to be on, dude. Always thankful to be on. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for joining us, Daniel. I'm working.

I'm not working today. My sons have a baseball game. Oh, good to know. Yo, I will not miss spring sports. I have to miss them in the fall. So I took NFL Live off today to get to my kids' baseball game. Swagoo just got a new deal, though. He'll be able to do it.

Congrats, Marcus. Yeah, no doubt. Thank'll be able to do it. Congrats, Marcus. Yeah, no doubt. Super happy for Marcus. AJ, do you really have 10 kids? No, I only have four. He likes to add to that almost daily. Oh. Sometimes it feels like 10.

Well, you're telling me. Yeah, I don't know how anybody does anything because all I'm being told about one baby coming into my life is, oh, everything's about to change. Your whole life's about to change. I don't know how anybody does anything because all I'm being told about one baby coming into my life is everything's about to change. Your whole life's about to change. And I think like Phil Maynes has four kids. AJ has four kids. Or Slavsky has seven.

When's your wife's due date, Pat? It's coming up. It's coming up middle of May. Oh, wow. Very soon. That's awesome. I've been training. You see. You can see. I've been training the shoulder and the arm, you know, so that I can. You'll never realize how heavy eight pounds is until you have to hold it for seven straight hours. Well, Dan, every time I pee. Anyways, let's go.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you. I can't wait. We are excited. My wife's a badass, as are your wives and everybody's out there, obviously. Let's of one. He is the Steph Curry of football. Even the people that had doubts early in the draft process started watching his film. They heard about his brain score at the Combine. Everything else, like this dude is the clear-cut best guy in the draft. He's going one to Carolina. Congrats to Frank and Josh and Dalton and Tepper and everybody down there.

They got a guy that appears. At number two, number two overall quarterback, Dan Orlovsky says, not what you're thinking. You go with Anthony Richardson. What do you mean by that? Is this projecting like 10 years from now? Who's going to be the best quarterback in the NFL? Is it at this exact moment if you have to play next year?

What are your thoughts behind that? Because obviously the C.J. Stroud folks are going to say, what are we talking about? The guy played in the Big Ten against Georgia. what he did look at all these games CJ Stroud throws a beautiful ball how are we putting Anthony Richardson over top of him what would you say to that I'm excited to hear your thoughts yeah putting Anthony at two is a little bit of a flop for me or a flip to what kind of the initial ranking or thought that I had about a month ago CJ was two Anthony was three and Anthony was three,

and Will was four. And then I've switched two and three. The reason is very much so a projection. I'll say this, like I'll start it with Bryce Young at one. I don't need to tell everybody how great he is. I do think a point to make about Bryce is this. Everyone talks about the size concerns. If you watch him play, it's almost like watching, you know, like Floyd Mayweather with his size. He does a great job

of avoiding contact and avoiding hits. He fights away classes, but... And like, the last three quarterbacks, the last two quarterbacks that we've seen

have their careers derailed because of injury are Carson Wentz, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton. Those dudes are mountain men. So they're like, it's not just a given that he's going to get hurt. The reason why I put Anthony at two, I can only go off the tape. I don't get to sit down with these guys. Like if you told me Anthony Richardson had 50%, I was talking with Daniel Jeremiah about this yesterday. If you told me he had 50% of the work ethic that Jalen Hurts does, I would pick him number one. You are banking on the physical traits that are incredibly unique, that we just don't get the combination in the NFL of that big, that athletic, and that natural of a thrower, you usually can find guys that are like

two out of three. Now, by all reports, you hear that he's very intelligent and has a really good work ethic. Again, I don't get to sit with these guys and figure that out myself, but because of the physical talent that he has and the, I guess the reports or the rumors or the stories that you hear of how smart he is and how hard he works. That's why I put him at two and CJ sits at three. You know, with old Steichen being the offense coordinator here in Indianapolis, with what he was able to do with Jalen Hurts just a few moments ago. And obviously Jalen, to your point, work ethic, leadership, everything about him exudes NFL superstar. That's why he just got the deal that he got,

and the Eagles are lucky that they have him and they found him in the second round. But it's hard not to just be like, well, I think he's taller than Jalen. I think he's heavier than Jalen. I think he's faster than Jalen. And think he's faster than Jalen. And he seems like he can spin the ball. He's a more natural

thrower than Jalen. Seems like he can spin it. Although Jalen got really good at that. It's like as I was coming to grips with CJ not being available before, Bryce not being available before, it was like as a Colts fan, who would I want to have? I almost immediately said, give me the guy that they've never seen before give me the anthony richardson but

everybody's talking about this guy ty go ahead pal yeah dano last time you were on here i asked you about will levis and i didn't know why but it kind of like i was getting jake locker vibes from him and you said it was more so you thought jake cutler but yeah for whatever reason at the start of like the draft process he was kind of you know like maybe fourth or fifth quarterback on everyone's board and then now the closer we get to it he's kind of creeping up like we and I know it's pure conjecture but we've heard he could go to like the Colts allegedly love him and he won't go past four like do you think it's more likely that he goes in the top five or he ends up slipping towards like 20 I think it's more likely that he goes in the top five or he ends up slipping towards, like, 20?

I think it's more likely he goes in the top five than he slips all the way to 20. You know, his physical talent is very impressive. You know, I think, Tyler, the reality is this. He is the most difficult evaluation out of the quarterbacks this year because the talent doesn't match the tape. He says, like, if you just took the talent and you wanted to go on paper and check boxes for guys he checks every single box he's big he's got a powerful arm he's got a tight release he's an athletic guy he's tough he stands in the pocket he makes very difficult throws he played his best

football on third downs last year i like that but he's a tough evaluation because everything around him stunk his offensive line was bad no one got open so there's stretches of games you sit there and that's why the point is being like i think it's really difficult to draft these guys if you're inside of a building it's it's such a difficult position to evaluate for people like me on the outside it's even harder because like i would love to sit with will and i would love to play clips and be like what were you thinking here i why did you throw this in route so hard and then after the ball hits the ground i see you get animated towards the receiver like he ran the wrong route but that's why these teams might

be sitting with him and go oh we see it the same way as this guy like we his receiver is wrong you know and i think i i you know like with where if we had to pick the that seven best quarterbacks in the nfl right now just you would say Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, the younger guys. I'm not putting Aaron into this conversation because the future, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts.

You would look at these guys and they're all physically talented. They're all really physically talented. I think Will's probably too physically talented to fall to 20. physically talented um i think will is probably too physically talented to fall to 20 okay but like 15 maybe i think what ty was trying to say like you see him potentially because he's being projected like hey somebody's gonna go up and get him i don't know i'm intrigued by it because what you said i mean i've seen some throws though out

of them that are fucking great yeah then you see some other things that happen. It's like, well, I don't want that guy, but I think some of his decision making that like, I think some of his, the big knock on him that everyone has said is you don't like his decision making.

Um, I understand that, but like, I think a lot of decision making was circumstantial. Can he move? Can he move? Yeah. But he was hurt this year.

Like if you go back to 2021, he moved way better than he did in 2022. Here's my no-no because I see you getting, like, putting your head down. This is what I, like, you have a really talented young player, right? He's 22 or 23 years old. And everyone says he's got a tremendous work ethic. So then why do we really think that a guy that's really talented and has a really good work ethic all of a sudden can't play like that that his 2021 performance there's this individual drop off to 2022 or are there variables like hey man

they stunk on the offensive line his offensive coordinator left there's not i left. I would bet there's not a single skill position player on that offense that's going to play in the NFL, and he was hurt. Yeah, you're right. And he's jock, so you know he's a hard worker. He's very disciplined, you can tell that. He's very yoked up, so he works hard. It's not easy to get there. I'm cool with whoever, but it sounds like C.J. Stroud might be available for,

and that's okay with me as well. A.J. has a question for you, Dano. Dan, how much do you put into these cognitive tests that these guys are taking, especially the quarterbacks, in these new tests? Have you gotten to take one yourself and evaluate them? No, I have not taken one myself. I've had some conversations with people who know a lot more about it than I do. You know, it's interesting because you hear some of the scores,

and it confuses you, to be honest with you because you sit there and go, you have to like, it makes you check yourself a little bit. It starts to create doubt in what you're seeing on tape because you go, well, this player's tape is so impressive when it comes to the mental performance or the mental kind of necessities that are on display. And then the score comes out or you hear about the score and you're like, man, those two things don't match up. Am I not seeing or is it more because this player's system is so friendly or because this player's surrounding cast is so dominant? Is that's why it looks the way it does?

So I think at the end of the day for me aj like i heard how you're about the scores i hear about the tests i know i think a lot of the testing has come from baseball in many regards i think it's bigger in in the mlb that it is in the nfl and more teams in the nfl are adopting to it um just gold and i think i just have to continue to trust my eyes when I watch tape and realize I'm on the outside. Just give me the Wanderlick and Rock, Paper, Scissors. And then let me see what a guy's got. How'd you do on the Wanderlick?

Pretty good? I scored a 36, I think. 36, 37. That's why I think I was in that area. Maybe 38. Pretty good, guys. Nice. Maybe 39, maybe. I know it. Maybe 38. Pretty good, guys. Nice. Maybe 39, maybe.

I know it wasn't 40. Around there, though. I think the thing, too, is I think this test, the new tests, I believe, measure in some ways like personality. I don't believe the Wonder League did. I think that was more just like an intellect thing. Yeah, but like also, what if somebody's giving like a hilarious answer in their eyes? You know, there's so many different ways.

You have no idea what you're getting until the person gets there, which is why the draft is such a joke. Do you think there's an accurate way to figure out whether or not a guy's going to be a guy or a shithead? I think you have a pretty good feel about guys. If you watch them interact with their teammates, if you hear stories about with their teammates, if you watch them kind of, you hear stories about how they carry themselves.

Like I think you've got a pretty good feel of, yes, I'm sure there's some gray area on some situations. Like you've been in locker rooms. We've been in locker rooms. You've got a pretty good feel for like, that dude's a dude. Or like, nope, I can't be around that guy. There's some issues that he's going to have to get worked out and work through. Yeah, a lot of shit bumps slip through the pipes.

I mean, that is something that happens and it's like you've got no shot. Yeah, I mean, I think every coach thinks that they can coach a guy out of a certain personality trait or, you know, they sit there and say, man, all these attributes and characteristics that he has are what we need but there's this kind of red flag so to speak well we can help him work through that red flag and some guys do some guys don't love it love everything about it we're talking to dan orlovsky adam pacman jones who has i believe a nice interception against dan orlovsky here too i would like to ask a question go ahead the long list long list hey dan list. Hey, Dan. I really think – I don't think the quarterbacks are going back-to-back.

I think the Houston Texans are going to pick an interior D lineman because in the past they've picked a lot of D linemans to change, and Nick came out earlier saying they was willing to trade the pick. My question is to you. Out of these interior linemen, Jalen Carter, Miles Murphy, Brian Brees, which one of those do you like to go up against? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a good question.

I don't want to pretend that I know, like, D-line playing and cats like that. I would say this. I think from an offensive perspective, since we're seeing, and you know this, we're seeing so much too high safety defense nowadays in the NFL, and it's kind of becoming early 2000s, maybe even before then. And teams are saying, we're going to defend the pass and we're going to stop the run with light boxes. Like if I'm in 11 personnel, three wide receiver set, you're going to put six people in the box to try to stop my run. If you don't have a defensive tackle that can take on double teams

and free up linebackers, you're dead. So I can do whatever I want against you. So that's what – I look at Jalen Carter, and if everyone's sitting here saying he's the best, I think we are going to see a little bit of an infusion in the run-stopping defensive tackles over the next couple years in the best. I think we are going to see a little bit of an infusion in the run-stopping defensive tackles over the next couple years in the NFL because if you're going to sit there and say you're going to put six in the box to stop the run and you can't take on a double team,

you can't stop me. So if Jalen Carter's that guy, then I would say that he's the pick as long as you are okay with all the other off-the-field stuff. I do want to say this. Here's where I am with Houston. Again, being on the outside. If D'Amico Ryans is as good of a defensive mind as he has shown to be, and he thinks to himself, I got the defense. I'm going to build a good defense in Houston.

And I've watched Kyle Shanahan's offense with a good quarterback take us to the nfc title in the super bowl how can you not look at some of these quarterbacks and go wait i if i have a really good quarterback and i build the defense that we had in san francisco then we're a tough team to beat like i sit here and i go is houston really going to pass on a quarterback that's what ian rapport's saying as well but it's coming out saying that they might you know they might pass up on a quarterback just the best player available they have a defense head coach you think maybe they try to load up on the defense get their stars but you think all these quarterbacks that are at the top i guess the top two quarterbacks are which is you just switch two and three so

you don't even know who the top two are yeah except for like the last fucking week you don't even know better than dougie mills you think dougie mills not good enough to run an offense at the miko ryan's potentially could have success with if his defense is able to be great he's good enough but you're in the afc you're in a division with trevor lawrence you're in the afc i'll go back to that point all the time if you don't have a freak at quarterback in the afc for the next six to eight years, you don't have a chance. Who's the freak? Who's that?

Anthony Richardson. That's what you're saying. Well, I would. Yes, because here's my thing. I think one timeline wise, it matches up. Like, I think Anthony's going to be the guy that you want to get on the field earlier, sooner rather than later. He needs to play.

OK, I also think this. If you're a D'Amico's a really good defensive mind. He's a great leader. He's going to build a good defense there. How can you not sit there and go, we're going to build a good defense. This Bobby Slowick offensive coordinator that comes from Shanahan's tree, who was just building an offense that was going to be built for Trey Lance in San Francisco. We can carry some of that older over. Anthony's getting on the field, mobile quarterbacks or quarterbacks that you can use quarterback run in

will see simpler defenses. Pac-Man and A.J. know this. You'll have to play simpler defenses on early downs because they've got to defend quarterback run. I watch in the trenches, pal. I fucking know. They're going to have to play simpler schemes. And I sit there and go, you get a quarterback that can control the game,

create explosive plays, which is a really good defense. Like, if you're Houston and you pass down a quarterback this year and you go 4-13 this season and you have the number three pick, you ain't getting Caleb and you're not getting Drake May. So then where are you next year at that position? Well, you might be able to package that and go up, especially if they trade out and get some picks you don't think dude dude dude what you are going up to one and two with those two kids next year i'm just you're hey everybody says they're the guys huh these two guys

are the guys that's what everybody's saying why is that they're just better than everybody they're super outrageously talented fuck you thought kid is That guy is going to be an NFL guy? He's the... I'm not ready to say that, the Utah kid. No, no. Fuck Utah kid. On the fingernails. You remember?

Oh, Caleb. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you, Drake and Caleb will go 1-2 next year. Yeah, I understand that, but you're acting like nobody's going to be able to get up there to get him. If you get 1 or two, you're going to be locked in with that. You're acting like, Caleb, the guy that fucked Utah on his hands, this dude, is he going to be a guy?

Yes. That's awesome to hear. Good for him. I'd be fucking Utah all day, too. Just do whatever the hell you need to do if you're going to be... That's how everybody's talking about next draft class. If you're going to need a quarterback now and you're not in, like a four, you're going to need a quarterback now and you're not in like a four, you're going to want to get to one or two next year because Drake May and

Kent, that's how everybody's talking. Said that last year. Why is that? It's going to be so expensive to go up to one and two next year. They have two first round picks next year too. And what if the Panthers are at one or two? Yeah, they just got a quarterback. Then what?

They won't be. Oh, Bryce Young's going to have success. You think Frank Reich's going to be able to do it? Yeah, they just got a quarterback. Then what? They won't be. Oh, Bryce Young's going to have success. You think Frank Reich's going to be able to do it? Yeah, they'll be good. Their defense is really good, really talented. They'll be good next year. They'll be solid. What if Bryce Young can't see over the other line?

What if that happens? What if he just can't do it? What if it's just impossible? He did it a ton in college. He threw over the middle of the field a ton in college, a ton. All right. No dude in college football or none of the top five guys this year, Bryce, CJ, Anthony, Will, and Hendon,

threw with more guys in their lap than Bryce Young did. Really? Absolutely. Alabama was not the Alabama offensive line. No guy threw with his with like a either a defender hitting him or his offensive line get pressed into his lap more than bryce young i can't wait to watch bryce young coming in anthony richardson developing caleb williams drake may how about it huh maybe will levis got a cannon here we go hendon hooker potentially done yeah dano um strager came

out with his first mock draft today um he was most accurate last year hendon hooker he had going 11 to the titans uh ahead of will levis at 12 to the texans where do you have hendon how do you feel about him how do you feel about where he lands yeah i love strager i love his mock drafts i was texting about him last night so i called a couple of hendrager i love his mock drafts i was texting about him last night so i called a couple of hendon games i called internet virginia tech i i called a hendon game at tennessee i think the things you like about hooker one maturity to the adversity he's faced um you know three the i think he's a very natural touch thrower that can drive the football. I don't think he's got this big, powerful arm.

He's a touch thrower, which is a difficult skill to acquire, but he can drive the football. He was forced to think really fast this year, like really fast. They were snapping the ball. Pat, you called some of their games down at game day. Hypo, quick. Yeah, yeah, quick. Right?

Yeah, yeah. So you're forced to think quickly. The two kind of – he's going to be 27 before he really steps onto the field in the NFL because of the ACL injury. So I think he's 25 or 26 now. He'll be probably right around 27. You don't know how much volume he had to handle at Tennessee. You know he had to think quickly.

You just don't know how much, like a lot of tempo offenses, you're getting to the line of scrimmage and you're just going. And I've asked some of these college guys when you're playing this tempo, like what happens if you get to the line of scrimmage and you've misdiagnosed something? They're like, just play fast.

You know, so I think you got to figure that out with him. You know, and there's a reality that his offense created a lot of open people and easy reads and easy throws that's just the truth and you've got to see how much of that you want to knock him for wasn't that a bunch of option routes though out there it was a bunch of options in that offense so you know he has to kind of piece through some things, see some things. And he beat Bama. That's right. He beat Bama. Come on. You know what I mean?

Beat Bama. Go to Johnny McNeil. Oh! We actually have some. No shot to Johnny. Well, certainly. That was. Certainly was a shot at Johnny. But that won't be the last one leading up to draft.

We have an entire piece we're putting together about, you know, these first-round quarterbacks and how expectations should actually be about what – a lot of these guys are going to suck, Dan. A lot of these guys are going to suck bad at football. Yeah, yeah. I think – I say this every year. How many great quarterbacks do we have in the league? Great.

I don't know, seven, eight, like great quarterbacks. And then there's that group of another eight or ten that are a little bit more dependent upon what's around them, coach, play callers, you know, skill position, offensive line. of another eight or ten that are a little bit more dependent upon what's around them coach play callers you know skill position offensive line we don't get we're projecting four or five in the first round they're not all four or five are going to be good hopefully one's going to be really good and two are good players so you know where they go who they're coached by the health I mean there's it's a dependent position. I think Bryce went to

Alabama. CJ went to Ohio State. Anthony Richardson went to Florida. Levis went to Penn State. They're super talented guys. There's a reason why they're going to get drafted. They are crazy talented. Florida is not in a... I don't know.

I don't know if you've seen Florida lately. No, they stunk this year on offense. But when Anthony went there, they were in the SEC title game. Oh, okay. You're saying he has experience. It is still Florida. Have to be good to get into Florida.

That's what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, you're still going to big-time schools. You know, like these – That's not like UConn. No. Hey, man. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I was lucky to go to UConn. I wasn't good enough to go anywhere else.

Yeah, they were lucky to have you, though. Yeah, they were. How many years in the NFL? 11? Yeah, it's 12, Pat. Get it right, dude. You say you got everyone else's stats nailed, and then I come on, you're like, played for over 10 years. That sounds good, doesn't it?

Not as good as played for 12. This guy played for a decade plus. That's how decades sound. It's forever. A tenth of a century this guy played longer than. You know what I mean? Now we're going forward all the way. Then we're coming back.

Then we're moving it up a little bit. You know what I mean? 12 years is a long time. Dan, 12 years? Holy shit. This guy played 14 a corner. And then we're moving it up a little bit. You know what I mean? 12 years is a long time. Long time. Dan, 12 years? Let's go, Dan. Holy shit. Scott played 14 a corner. Wouldn't play safety.

Would not play safety. Couldn't do it. Not athletic enough to move to safety. 14 years. Really? 14 years a corner, not athletic enough to move to safety. It's real. Yo, Pac-Man played for 14 years?

At corner. 2005. Pac-Man, where'd you end? Cincinnati? Denver, 2018. Tennessee? years at corner 2005 where'd you end cincinnati uh denver 2018 night tennessee tennessee dallas cincinnati um denver i don't remember denver where you're out there for one i mean think about it how many corners have played 14 years in the NFL? Oh, really? Probably less than two. Probably like Pack, Champ, and Seawood.

How many are you? Practice. Practice. Oh, okay. I got it. How many corners made it 14 years? Do you know that? Have you looked at it?

I was the last one in my draft class, and I probably played four or five years without somebody that was drafted with me. So hold on. That's great. Champ, though. Champ was a long time, right? Yeah, Champ was a long time. Darry with me. Champ, though, was a long time, right? Yeah, Champ was a long time. I'm talking about my class.

We're talking about just in the history of the game, how many corners have you played for? Rod Woodson. Rod Woodson moved to safety? Revis played. Then Barney. Hey, good for you, dude. Let's not just dunk on your 12 years real quick

But honestly 14, a corner needs to be talked about as well You know what I mean, Dan? No doubt, big time Last question for you from Connor Who's a massive fan, obviously Yeah, huge fan, Dan, I played for zero years So you know, you got me

But how do you feel about the wide receivers In this draft class? There really hasn't been much conversation about them, even though some of them like Hyatt and Jackson Smith and Jigba, they went to schools with some of these top quarterbacks. Do you think this will be one of those drafts you look back on as another class with a bunch of top-tier wide receivers or no? No, it's a better tight end class by far than it is a wide receiver class.

I think the only guy that I love is Jackson Smith and Jigba. I think that like, can you win at the line of scrimmage? He does. Can you separate downfield versus man coverage? He does. Can you sit or do you know how to sit in windows or run to, you know, run to an open window and not cover yourself up? He does.

Can you do stuff with the ball in your hands? Yeah. So I think he's the only guy that kind of checks all four of those. I think philosophically, I would much rather have a good tight end than a good number two receiver, just because of the different things I could do with the tight end and the formation flexibility and the personnel groupings you can get in and out of and what you guys could ask him to do. So I love Mayer. You know, Kincaid I think is going to be awesome.

I think Laporta from Iowa at tight end is going to be a really good player. So I think the tight end group is better than the wide receivers. Washington for sure. How about do we worry about Jackson Smith in Jigma's recovery rate? What do you have? He had a hamstring and he was out for five months. Yeah. What do you think, AJ?

I don't know. I mean, don't forget, Bosa had like a belly, you know, the ab injury. And he sat out for the year. It hasn't hurt him in the NFL. Oh. Did he tell me? I'm saying he sat out. He was right.

What are you saying? I think he had like core so you didn't tell me? I'm saying he sat at the, he was right. What are you saying? He had surgery. I think he had like a core surgery, didn't he? Oh, he had the, right? Yep. The sports hernia. Sports hernia? Is that what he had?

Something. You remember when he used to grab your balls, tell you to cough? Yeah, sure. And then that was something that was happening from something spilling out in the other thing? That's right. What a wild time that was. Yeah, it looked both ways. Was that at school?

Yeah. Yeah, was it? I mean, didn't it? That a wild time that was. Was that at school? Yeah, was it? I mean, didn't it? That was the school? Yeah, school physical. Physical. Physical. Administered by a doctor, I hope, for you guys. Well, yeah, pig.

What do you think? What the hell? I don't know. You acted like it was some willy-nilly out in the field. I don't know. I don't know if just some random is checking for sports hernias, pal. All right? Not where we're from.

I'm sorry. Sorry Dan had to hear that. What kind of doctors they got in Ohio, AJ? Yeah, he's the face of it. He was in Ohio. Pittsburgh, the guy was in Ohio. What is this about the face of Ohio? What is this?

What's that, AJ? That did not happen in Pittsburgh. But it's things that he just said is why he won the Ohio's Finest Award. He is the face of ohio dan this guy won it let's go dan obviously you understand there's no face of ohio award dan you know that that's what it is you and bobby carpenter yep and brable yep and carpenter needs people go back to that trophy please let's see if it's shaped like his face. Kind of. A little bit. A little bit. I just got to turn it, you know.

Yeah, AJ. If you think Ohio, they think of you three. Yeah. Agreed. That's why he's the Ohio's finest. Yeah. Wait till you see Axel win that thing in about 15, 20 years. Count it.

Can't wait for that. Dan, have a great day. Your kids, I assume, are very thankful that you're home during the spring. Good luck in the baseball games. Let's get some good wood out there. Hell, yeah. Let's get some good wood. Let's get some solid shot.

Is it T-ball? What is it? No, it's baseball. It's 11-year-old Little League baseball. Are you pitching? Little League baseball nowadays. It's a good time. He's not allowed.

Kid pitch? Oh, yeah. He's not even allowed to coach. These kids throw freaking gas, dude. It's outrageous how good the kids are Dude they throw gas Your kids? No my son doesn't

There's kids in the league who do that Will he hit the ball tonight or no? Oh he better Well you're not allowed to coach him right Because you rich whites Don't want your parents getting involved in coaching You know what it is? You know what it is?

You're rich whites Yeah I do No I coach a little bit of baseball I'm not allowed to coach lacrosse know what it is you're rich whites yeah i do uh no i coached a little baseball i'm not allowed to coach lacrosse oh there it is not allowed to coach travel baseball not allowed to coach travel baseball that's a good thing just whenever states limit what parents are allowed to do with their kids absolutely that's a good thing ladies and gentlemen the absolute legend dan orlovsky thank you dan o h Dan. Anthony Richardson, number two overall, AJ. That's going to be a

shot to the kids there of Ohio for C.J. Stroud. Absolutely. I'm happy about it because if Houston Texans take quarterback at two and it's Anthony Richardson, sweet. I hope they're able to coach him up, make him great. And if they're running that Shanahan offense, I assume it'll be good.

We're kind of fucked in the AFC South anyways, but if that happens, good luck for them. If we end up with C.J. Stroud here in Indianapolis, I think Colts fans would be very, very pumped about that. I think that would be something we would consider as a win, but who knows who's going up to three. If C.J. Stroud's still available at three,

who will the Cardinals end up trading with to potentially go up and get C.J.? That's a whole other conversation. What I like what you're doing is you're mentally preparing to be happy no matter who you get at quarterback. I can sense it. You've seen a couple reactions to Will Levis. Will, no offense. That was the one you're working on the hardest.

He kind of talked you back into it a little bit. He works hard. Do you see how jocked he is? Yeah. Did you see the Manning Academy? I saw it just popped up when he was at the Manning Academy. That dude was slaying in the rock, man, and he was competitive. He sold me a little bit, honestly, watching that.

Hell yeah. Okay, I'm in. All right, let's talk about some breaking news that's taking place around the NFL. Tamar Hamlin has been cleared for football to play yet again. A man who we all thought died on a Monday night football field as the entire world prayed alongside this man. Even those that were not very religious watched the devastating, dramatic things happen in front of our eyes where his chest was getting

literally compressed live on a football field in front of 16 million people watching on Monday Night Football. The entire world mourned, thought we lost him. Now here we are, April 18th, 2023. He's back cleared for football. Hell science hell yeah doctors hell yeah first responders there in cincinnati in the training room he's currently doing a press conference aj what are your thoughts whenever you hear this i mean the fact that yeah when watching that happen and all of the immediate aftermath the fact that you like playing football was not on my mind obviously i don't think a lot

of people were thinking at that time oh is this guy this guy gonna be able to play in the nfl again so the fact that he's cleared is that's awesome i hope he like i wonder how he feels how's he gonna feel going into the first kind of contact they ever had it's gonna be weird for him i bet yeah it's interesting because whenever you have an injury you have a surgery let's say you have a surgery on your knee when you get back into it it's gonna hurt like hell and your mental hurdle is you're not gonna hurt it again like you have to go through this pain you're not going to hurt it again i couldn't even imagine what his mentor mental hurdle could potentially be but if he's mentally tough enough to get back to where he's been we assume he'll

be mentally tough enough to be able to handle it he's a pittsburgh kid which is good news what are your thoughts on this pac-man jones oh life, man. It's a blessing to see him on TV talking about something that we've talked about in the last month and a half. But it's good, man. It's good. He's been talking about all he wants to do is get back on the football field. I had a chance to chill with him. And we spent a lot of time over the pro football week.

I mean, what is it, pro football? I mean, it's the pro football. The Super Bowl? The Pro Bowl. Yeah, the Pro Bowl in Vegas. And I got a lot of time to chill with him and talk to him. We actually did a couple things together. A blackjack?

Yeah, played a little blackjack. How was he, pretty good? I ain't going to say he's a good gambler. Okay, that's a shame. Let's figure that out. I mean, he's good at a lot of other things, which is bouncing back from something that none of us thought was possible. I think whatever they started talking about, the doctor said,

goal is to get him back playing football. That was like a couple weeks after the whole incident, and all of us were like, hey, no, no, Doc. Slow down. Hey, Doc, a little consideration. What is this guy? He was dead. But now we're like, he's back in football what an

inspiring tale for anybody that's going through anything it's like hey this guy was dead on a football field eyes on him now before the next season starts he's already been cleared to get back into action you can have a minor setback that is very serious for a major comeback he's got a lot more fans we're all all very, very proud of him. Congrats to DeMar and the entire community. That's him, too, right there. Yeah, not Michael B. Jordan

for everybody on the internet. Yeah, if that's Michael B. Jordan, we're going to find out how fucking good he is at a backpedal real quick. He's going to get exposed out there. If that ain't DeMar. That was funny. We was talking about it. He's like, yeah, man, I got all these ticks. People thought I was somebody else.

I said, bro, yeah, people really thought that. That was a real conversation. This is a duplicate. This is not actually him. Oh, the NFL paid somebody to act like they're DeMar Hamlin. Paid off DeMar Hamlin's family so they won't say anything. Must be nice to have billions of dollars in your pocket to make everything go away. That's not DeMar Hamlin. family. So they won't say anything. Must be nice to have billions of dollars in your pocket to make everything go

away. That's not DeMar Hamlin. Oh, it just so happened to snow and it's a blurry camera. He's like the fucking Bigfoot on camera in 2023. That ain't him. This is the clearest thing we've ever seen. Now he's getting cleared for football.

Whoever's filling in for DeMar Hamlin might get exposed week one, or maybe science did a miracle here. Yeah, pretty damn good. And I think we should all feel a little bit more comfortable about the state in which we are living, that that could happen, and you can come back and play the same sport that is very physical and very demanding cardiovascular-wise.

Like, his heart is going to get tested. This thing is going to get tested through this whole thing. He's all the way back. Congrats to him, Mark. And for the other players. People have talked about the PTSD of being on the field and seeing that happen. It must be reassuring for them. Like, hey, worst-case scenario can happen, and you

can still come back and make a full recovery. Breaking news in the NFL. Allen Robinson, formerly of the Chicago Bears, formerly of the Los Angeles Rams, is now a Pittsburgh Steeler. The Steelers have traded for

veteran wide receiver Allen Robinson from the Rams and have granted permission to give him a physical per sources from the Rams. If the Steelers are comfortable with the physical, Robinson is expected to land in Pittsburgh. Kenny Pickett, who has Pickens, now has Allen Robinson as a weapon. Matt Canada might learn how to call offensive plays

in the NFL. Najee Harris learned how to run downhill towards the end of the year. All signs are pointing up for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's go to the Steelers fan on the stage. I am from Pittsburgh, but I'm a Steelers fan. That was an incredible compliment.

That was very disrespectful of you. I can't believe I did that. Tony Diggs, your thoughts on Allen Robinson coming to Pittsburgh? Very, very excited. I've always liked him. He had some injuries the last two years, but the two years before that, he had about 100 catches and 1,200 yards each of those two seasons. Pack and I always talk about it. You need

a third-wide receiver, so you pair him with Deontay Johnson and GP George Pickens. I don't know if he's the two, he's the three, but I think those three are kind of interchangeable. I think it's awesome because then you have the three wide receivers, you have Muth, you have Vinage, you got KP, who's I think going to be good. They shored up the O-line in the free agency a little bit.

You draft a tackle. I think it's great for the Steelers, but yes,-line in the free agency a little bit. He drafted tackle. I think it's great for the Steelers. But, yes, Matt Cannon is still sitting there. He's the wild card. If he doesn't get it done this year, he's going to be gone. So, we'll see. Uh-oh. Pac-Man Jones, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Making moves. Fuck! Okay, so you are upset about this. Soundrock's a good football player? Unbelievable football player, especially when he's healthy. I don't like this. Definitely not going to say anything good about the Steelers. So, Tone, I hope you enjoy it.

Thank you, Pac. How about the Rams, Doc? I have a lot of respect for Anwar. But, hey, honestly, Pac, though. Pac, are you really worried that the Steelers are a threat to the Bengals in that division? Well, no, I'm not because we have a three-head monster offense, and I don't think they can outscore us.

That's the difference between the Eagles. Nodge, Pickens, Allen Robinson, Deontay Johnson, Pat Friermuth. AJ sounded nervous. He was getting defensive. Jalen Warren. AJ, what? You were saying, what are we even talking about? We can't touch our Bengals.

Is that what you're saying? I figured I would assume Pac is pretty confident in what the Bengals are doing so the Steelers can do whatever they want, and he still feels pretty good about that matchup twice a year. Well, the only thing that scared me, you know, our secondary is a little young. We lost Jesse Bates. We lost Bill.

So we're re-piecing some pieces when it comes to the second quarter. Oh no, Allen Robinson lost Hayden Hurst. Oh my God. But offensively, there's nothing they can do to pretty much stop what we got going on. We only hurt ourselves offensively. There's nothing that the Steelers can do. I don't think they have enough in the

cast. They did go and get my boy on the defensive side of the ball, but Steelers is the Steelers. But, you know. Who's that? Steelers is the Steelers. Yeah, Steelers are making plays here. It's not a normal Steelers move here, I don't think. No. Omar Khan has come in, and he's made some really good moves.

They brought in Andy Weidel from the Eagles, who like he was in that front office for a long time, Pittsburgh guy who comes back. So I feel like they've got kind of like Omar's open to more non-traditional Steeler things as the DM, and then they're kind of like the Eagles went out and they made moves with players, and it feels like they're kind of doing a little more, which I think Steelers fans are happy about.

Allen Robinson wasn't shit with the Rams, but they just never gave him the ball. Him and Matt Stafford never got on the same page. Zito, he was a monster for the Bears. He was three, how many straight 1,000-yard seasons with no quarterback and no offensive production? Yeah, him and Mitch got along very well. But I think it was like two, three or whatever.

I think he even got 1,000 whenever the nobodies were playing. Jacks, yeah. He was with the Jacks, and they were terrible. And then they got a little better. I think we got him off that knee injury, didn't we? Yeah. Okay, so if he's back healthy, the Pittsburgh Steelers look hot. Here we go.

They didn't get worse this offseason. I'll say that. Yeah. What teams are you saying did get worse? Oh, the Vikings off the top of my head. I don't know why I said that, but that was his first team that popped into my head. Yeah, they did.

Maybe. We don't know. We don't know. He hasn't been traded yet. But, wow, that's a good point. Nobody talking. AJ, did you hear that? Ian said really no movement at all between the Packers and the Jets. It's like, so they just assume a deal is going to get done? Is that kind of what's happening here? I don't think I –

I don't know, man. That's something I ask all the time, isn't it? Like in these negotiations, don't we assume that these guys are on the phone every day going back and forth? A lot of times I think they're silent. Like, hey, I don't want to – I'm not going to be the guy to call back. It's an old power move either way. Yeah, that's like secession. Like, hey, we're going to to... I'm not going to be the guy to call back. It's an old power move either way. Yeah, that's like secession. Like, hey,

we're going to need to hear his voice is what they said before. I saw it. I liked that episode. We'll get to that in a bit. We're not talking about that right now. I know. It is setting up for, obviously, mayhem. I believe it's setting up for a lot... We need the Disgusting Brothers a little

bit more screen time. Keep them around. You know what I mean? A little bit more screen time. I need to see somebody that isn't just handed a job or nepotism just getting them a thing. I need them to have a shot here for me to remain interested. But love the show. Rest in peace. L to the OG.

Okay? Let's just clear the air. I will continue to watch. But I am not pumped they killed the best character this early into the final season, one that I was there for pretty much. Let's get back to Allen Robinson. He could be a player. Oh, yes. But it all goes back to Matt Canada.

Their offense was so bad. They didn't even have hot routes. This is the NFL. They were playing a fucking junior high football. We talked a couple weeks ago about how Peyton Manning had a wristband for his kid who was playing flag football, and they would have two plays called at the line. These are seven- or eight-year-olds. I forget what the age was, and they would check plays.

They had like 50-some plays that they would call to. Matt Canada and the offense for the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't even have a hot rod. This is the call. We are going old school, basic basic let's just get kenny pickett through the year football if that doesn't change you got no shot to doesn't matter who the fuck's on your team you got to be smart in the nfl we watch in the trenches they set up leverage they set up distractions they set up decoys they have this happen and this happened and this happened steelers were just basically techno bowl football. Like, that can't happen, AJ.

That cannot be the case. And I think all of Pittsburgh has let Canada, Tomlin, and the Steelers know that. But how much can he change overnight? So how long has Matt Canada been there on the staff? That'll be his third or second as an OC. I can't remember off the top of my head. Two or three.

Okay, so he was there with Big Ben or no? He was his quarterback coach for a season, I believe. I can't remember off the top of my head. Two or three. Was he there with Big Ben or no? He was his quarterback coach for a season, I believe. I'm correct. Doesn't it sound like Big Ben had all kinds of freedom? He could pretty much do whatever he wants. I know going back to that podcast when they mentioned there's no hot routes or whatever, they talk like Ben could just

give a guy a look. Here you go. Stand up. I'm throwing it to you at the line no matter what the play is. Things like that is what every great quarterback is able to do. So did Canada think that Kenny Pickett was too young and he couldn't handle that yet or what? To your point, during COVID year, Roethlisberger, because the stadiums were empty, would actually do what he'd been doing his entire career,

a run and go. And then the corners are like, I can hear this guy. Did he just say, he just said run and go? If this guy runs and go, we all got to keep it cool here. I think Roethlisberger's just going to tell us what everybody's going to do, but that's old school football there.

That's like old, old, that's draw up backyard football. He's doing old school high school football, Matt Canada now. Are you saying this guy maybe doesn't have the capability of drawing up, calling up plays because Ben Roethlisberger's kind of doing

whatever he wanted out there? It'll be third as his OC. I was trying to say, did this drive Matt Kanda crazy when Big Ben was there, when he was his quarterback coach, with all the freedom Ben had? Does he not like that as an offensive coordinator? We have some other breaking news around the NFL. We do believe we are the first to report this. Okay.

Handsome Blaine gabbert will be signing with the kansas city chiefs to be backup quarterback behind the patrick mahomes congratulations to blaine gabbert they get a veteran backup here where if something happens to patrick mahomes which we have seen happen throughout his career whether it's a freak thing with his foot or a knee or something like that. He's incredibly tough. When the time comes that he has to play, he will play. But if he has to rest, they have a veteran guy in there. They had success with Matt Moore as their backup quarterback. I assume Blaine Gabbert will be able to pick up that offense quickly and be able to be a great backup for them. Congrats to Blaine. Congrats to Andy Reid, who started OTAs virtually.

Tell the boys, take two more weeks. Do what you got to do. We'll see you in a while. That seems like a great place to be right now. Blaine Gabbert is now a part of the kingdom. A.J. Hawk. Think about it. Blaine Gabbert knows like, hey, there's going to be a pivotal moment during this season, maybe in the playoffs where I'm going to have to come in maybe for a series or two. I'm going to have to finish a game. We've seen it done before with the Kansas City Chiefs, and like fluke things happen to Patrick Mahomes. So, yeah, go get yourself a ring, Blaine, and maybe get some good time.

Another ring. Blaine was with Tampa, obviously. He was blacked out drunk with Tom Brady in that yacht party. Congrats to Blaine for enjoying that and extending his career at the backup position. I assume he's going to love life over there. Yeah, I mean, Chad Henney. I think we'll always remember that fourth down with Chad Henney

against the Browns. Like, he could. Had to make it. Had to make it. No way they're throwing this ball. Boom, he throws. The thought going into it was like, Chad Henney in the backups, and there's no chance they're actually going to run this play.

They'll just, you know, take the delay game, run the clock down, and punt it. You played against Blaine Gabbert before? Yeah. He's been around a long time. He's with the Jags, right, for a long time? Oh, yeah. Top ten pick.

Arizona, Jags, Tampa. Tampa. He's been, yeah. Tennessee, maybe, or no? Jags kind of broke him. Yeah, I think he was on Tennessee. I think the Jags broke him. For sure.

Jags break a lot of people. Yeah, back then. Back then. Who knows about now? I remember he was on the cover of SI with him, Cam Newton, and someone else. And it was like the who's next because he was so good in college. Missouri? Yeah.

I think it was Locker. Yeah, it was Locker. And then, yeah, he goes to Jacksonville, and they sucked immediately. Every year he was there. And it was kind of similar to Tannehill when he went to Miami. Just got ruined, and then he never really got a chance to be a starter anywhere else. Always has kept the moxie though i think we see that from practice clips internet clips and from obviously the yacht party so congrats to him keeping it when he could have been done and out i think we talked

every single time the jags played the colts incredibly fucking cool dude too happy to hear he's having success cool as hell and he's a great caddy um when i when i say that i mean that like he's the caddy so he know his role um he mean that. He's the caddy, so he knows his role. He ain't trying to be the superstar, but he can come in and give you valuable plays at valuable moments. I think so. This is a good signing by Brett Veach and Andy Reid, and that is breaking news.

He just saved a couple people, too, off the coast and Florida. He saved live a helicopter crash on a jet ski. I mean, Blaine Gabbert's the guy you want in your building Hell yeah We would have extended An offer to Blaine Gabbert to join our building

If he was to Retire from football I don't know if that was a thought or if that was anywhere near that It is not this year though He's going to Kansas City We're happy for him Shout out to our sources For that little piece of information.

Also, shout out to the 5RNG phone line, 1-833-432-3663 or 1-833-4-DADOOM. We'll be answering calls on the other side of this break. Hour 3 on the other side. Might have a surprise guest as well, Paul. We also got a lot of quotes coming out of

DeMar Hamlin's press conference. Can't wait to hear what he's saying. What a story. He's back. That's a movie. Playing football. Probably being written right now. That is a Disney movie. Numerous versions are being written right now. Probably be some knockoff terrible ones. For sure. And then obviously

the Cramdale at Cram starring Michael B. Jordan. Willer. Who's going to be the trainer, you think? Like Matthew McConaughey or Woody Harrelson? Will Smith. Who was the trainer? He's an old white man, I think. I don't remember what his name was.

What was his name? Hold on. Oh, Ken? Andrew? Yes. There's an assistant trainer from Buffalo that got a bunch of pubs. Yeah. I thought it was Scott or something.

Maybe. When I first seen him in Vegas, I was like... DeMar? Yeah. That's actually... Good move. Make sure. Good move.

Hey, man, just wanted to make sure. People were taking screenshots. Oh, yeah. You see his tattoo's not there. Yeah, he got a new tattoo on his hand. What is it, Ken? His name's Ken? Denny Kellington.

Oh. See? Denny Kellington. Ah. See? Denny Kellington. You can see how the brain. For sure. Kelly Dennington. Shout out to Denny Kellington. Boom.

I don't know if Will Smith's going to play that guy, AJ, but hopefully somebody will. You know what I mean? He needs another chance, man. Give him a shot. Let's get to a break. Ben Affleck. Pac-Man, what are you going to do for a giveaway? Oh, yeah.

Next hour. What do you think? Did you see me do the pickleball thing? Did you see me do the pickleball thing? Did you see me do the thunderball thing? That looked very difficult. It was not easy. That took me way more than I thought it was going to take. Good moving on that ball, too.

I could have lollipopped them in, I think. Yeah, but... But I wanted to do a couple strikes. You know what I mean? I got two a couple times in a row. I had a couple cutter shots. I had two in a row. Couldn't get all three.

Because with how high those top ones are, that's not necessarily where you want to put a pickleball. You don't want to put it that high. Hey, pickleball. So I wasn't able to get all three. I got work to do. That was added into it, though, if you want to think about it. What do you want to do, Pac?

What are you thinking? The shot again. Really? Yeah. Okay. All right. Is it because sometimes you want to do, Pac? What are you thinking? The shot again. Really? Yeah. Okay. All right. Is it because sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you type thing? No, no.

I can make that shot. Oh, from the other free throw line? Yeah. All right. I think you can too. Hell, fuck. 100%. I think you can do anything.

You're at a Pac-Man joke. AJ, you think you'll make that shot? Yeah, I think I'll probably make the first one Okay You want to do it right now? Oh whoa don't feel obligated This will ruin what AJ said Alright one ball

Java Java Blocking the eye a little bit Don't let Java do that to you Oh Bill McCombs went sprint and got his camera Wearing the Deion Sanders jersey Remember Deion played professional baseball And professional football at trying to get in your head. Don't let Jabba do that to you. Oh, Bill McCombs went and sprinted and got his camera. Wearing the Deion Sanders jersey. Remember, Deion played professional baseball and professional football.

Probably could have played professional basketball if he wanted to. He's fucking Deion Sanders. Adam Pac-Man Jones from the opposite free throw line in the Thunderdome. Oh! Come on! Oh, no.

That's bad. Holy shit. Oh, shit. That's bad. Holy shit. Oh, shit. Let's get to a break. It's five winners. Let's try to get the bad energy out of here. That's not good. Get that juju out of here.

You're going to make it, though. That's what third hour is all about. Be a friend. Tell a friend. We got a massive. Zito says Steve Zahn should play Denny. I don't know who Steve Zahn is, but in this group text, he looks exactly like the guy.

Saving silver. Steve Zahn, yeah, legend. That is Denny Kellington. It is. Holy shit. Company A! This guy needs to get to the airport, get to the little body thing, learn CPR as quick as possible.

Uh, uh, uh, uh, staying alive, staying alive. learn CPR as quick as possible. They did that for like seven songs. Oh, yeah. On Monday Night Football. Yeah. The guy lived. He did. And he's back playing football. Back.

Unreal. Hell yeah, dude. This is Ohio's finest. This is the face of Ohio, A.J. Hawk. Hell yeah. Congratulations, A.J. Hawk. Hell yeah. Congratulations, man. Boom. Suck it.

Anything to say? Kick off. What are we doing? What are we doing right now? I just didn't know if you wanted to say, like, because I am. Show the rest of the guys and everyone. Get everybody involved. No.

Reset here. They're not on camera yet. Because we're all waiting to really. What do you you need for me what are you yep you tell me what do we need you know from from you i don't know what do you need ask not okay right what we need for you more so ask what you can do for all of us from the state of Ohio. Teddy. What? Kennedy. Not Teddy. Yeah, Teddy had a car

situation back in the day, but what do you think about the JFK assassination, Pat? I know that it was a fucking inside job. I'm not happy about it. I'm not happy about it. I'm not happy about it. I don't love it.

I don't know why we got him rolling around in that rag top just so willy-nilly like that. Yeah, boom, grassy knolls right there. There's a second spitter. It might as well. Shooter, yeah. Spitter potentially as well. I mean, who knows what they did after they shot. But it felt like they just had a big fucking spotlight on them.

Hey, you want to kill this guy? Boom. Coming right through town. I didn't love that. Okay. But follow up, just like Kennedy was a man who was trying to serve the country and the community. You are now serving the state of Ohio as Ohio's finest,

as the champion of Ohio, as the face of Ohio. Ohio's finest, as the champion of Ohio, as the face of Ohio. It's a great responsibility. I don't take this lightly. You should. I promise you that. I hope not. Great speech, AJ.

Yeah, speech, AJ. Great speech, AJ. What does it mean to you to be the face of Ohio? Stop it. No. Pac, what's up, man? What's going on over there?

What's up, bro? This is unbelievable. Pac, don't let him off the hook here. Don't let him off the hook here don't let him off the hook here listen there's local newspapers there's ohio news channels of course that would like to be able to interview you about your i did a few of them i was there it was perfect just act like this is one of those yeah for those of us that didn't see it yeah aj what does this mean was that you can go find it somewhere online, I'm sure.

Well, I know that I can find a basement. If you need any waterproofing, there's a video. I'm sure I can tell you about T-bone steak, but wouldn't you want to stick your head up a butcher's ass? That's right. I wouldn't. And find out? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

AJ, what does it mean to you? You know, a kid from Centerville who ended up going to Ohio State, going to become a world champion. Now you live back in your home state representing it in such a – to be named Ohio's finest, what does that mean to you? And did you bop to the thought of it before you won the actual award? That's a hard no, but it did make me – like growing up in Ohio was a great place to play football,

a great place to play sports. Now what I learned today is you guys in Pittsburgh got checked for hernia from some guy outside his Camaro in some park, and you would just line up and you would grab your balls. It was a firebird. I don't understand why that happened. I hope you're proud of yourself. You're the face of Ohio.

It was a firebird. I'm sick of this, dude. Might have been taught early. Was it T-top? It was a T-top firebird. Oh, yes. Well, it was fast, though. I mean, he had a little curtain up, too.

It was just quick. No gloves. No gloves, for sure. No, he had a marble red in his mouth and a couple of icy lights. Do you think the people that voted you, the other Ohioans that voted you the face of Ohio, appreciated it? I don't think it was a vote. I don't think it was a vote.

There it is. Boom. There it is. There you go. It's red, baby. So it's not a vote? How's it go? I don't know who decides a vote. I don't think it was a vote. There it is. Boom. There it is. There you go. It's red, baby. So it's not a vote? How's it go? I don't know who decides.

That's a great question. I didn't ask how this all comes about. I assume it was unanimous. Yeah. You've earned it. All the lords of the different Ohio counties. Is it like the Heisman or all the ex-winners vote, too? That makes sense.

So it's like the lords of the counties plus Vrabel. And then Tony Gonzalez. Final checkoff from Wexy. Dick LeBeau. Yeah. Anthony Gonzalez. Excuse me. What's he up to?

What is? I was going to ask you that. He's not in politics. I mean, I'm sure he's making like 80 mil a year for some startup or something. He's got to be so happy he's not in politics. He's up for a face of Ohio here soon. It's going to be a few years because. Yeah, he needs a little time still.

Anyway, since you don't want to celebrate the fact that you got this award, I hope they were, you know, you've earned it, but I do wonder if they think to themselves, should have gave it to somebody maybe that would be willing to. Champion it. Expand upon what the award means. Yeah, they might have to rescind it. Yeah, because what if the next winner wins

and we don't know that person like we know AJ? What should we know about Ohio's finest, the face of Ohio, Ohio champion winners? What should we know about the award, what it's about, what it stands for, what it means to the person that receives it? We've tried to get that fucking answer 48 hours straight. That's right.

And you'd hope that that person would be able to articulate their thoughts and kind of just speak from the heart and say it. Talking to the wrong guy, pal. I cannot. Maybe that's what it means, though. Maybe that's what it is. Not allowed to.

Maybe that's what the award really is. You choked up, man. Does it get you? That's why you can't really. You know I'm an emotional guy. I can't. I'm not talking now. Is that why you're deflecting so hard?

Are you embarrassed? You've earned this. This isn't imposter syndrome. We've been saying that you should be the face of Ohio. That's amazing. What is? Are we waiting? Are we waiting for somebody that's possibly on the line?

Is that what we're doing right now? No. We're waiting for an answer. Yeah. On what this Ohio's finest trophy is. I am not able to articulate exactly what the award is. I'm not sure. What?

I'm being honest with you. What is our show's problem, dude? This guy wins a fucking prestigious award. Okay, fragile. Fragile, this guy. Wins an entire state. It's unbelievable. It's not just a leg lamp.

No. It's a glass. Yes. And this dude just won't open up about how pumped he is. Go on. That his state that he's from that he champions yeah has now named him yeah that's a big moment yeah your kids are gonna see this later come on maybe talk to them not us and they can say hey dad what was that i'm saying i don't know guys

but i got to see some of the great high school coaches ohio state to recognize herb street hawk with herbie one one of them What? The night before, yeah. Herbie ran a roundtable with all the old coaches. Herbs, Trestle, Ryan Day, John Cooper. They're all on stage. What, dude? Herb? Yep, there's pictures of that.

They were there the night before. I wish I would have gone to that, actually. There's no pictures of that that I've seen. Congrats to you. They look cool. Hey, let's go Elks, huh? Centerfield Elks. Ohio's finest. What's go Elks, huh? Centerville Elks. Ohio's finest.

What's in the water, huh? Did anybody bring up the fact that one of the Ohio's finest award winners ended the career of the other Ohio's finest award winner with a blatant helmet-to-helmet shot during a reunion game? Is that talked about this weekend during the celebrations? Well, I didn't actually see kirk he was there thursday night but that is still up for debate because who knows if the shot i gave kirk was the one that put him out he he absorbed many more shots the rest of that day i'm sure he actually said he took off his pads and walked on the field he said i'm an adult

why do i have pads on to begin with and then i got this guy who's got oversized shoulder pads and he just went ride down the side of cranium. I use my brain and my face now. What is this fucking kid's problem? Oh, he's an Ohio fuck. Oh, he's the face of Ohio. That's right. Congrats to you both.

Congrats, boys. Really happy that we've gotten shit out of you. Can't even call Herbie. Kirk will have more. Kirk will have more. Who did you thank in your speech? There we go. Herbie?

Good question. Everybody. The troops. God. Everybody. did you thank in your speech? There we go. Herbie? Good question. Everybody. The troops. God. Everybody. Did you thank Jimmy? I pandered to every group I could. So you thanked Trump, too?

What's your problem? I'm just asking. He said he pandered to every group. This is a sport thing. We've got to shoehorn your political nonsense into this thing. We're talking about Ohio here. Okay. I figured that was probably the number one on his list.

I don't know if that's – I don't know. I don't know if you know Ohio that well, Con. I guess I don't. That's why I'm asking. Anyways, let's move on because AJ's clearly not going to represent what he won. Right. He will represent it, actually. But he doesn't know what he's representing.

No, he doesn't. Which is almost a little bit more of a problem. Yeah. But congrats to all future winners. If Herbie and Hawker winning it and Vrabel's a winner of it, this is an award that you won. None of them know what the fuck it is. No.

But everybody wants it. That's right. We would never be able to win it. No. A man that's been on stage with us for the last month and a half, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 14-year NFL corner. Adam Pacman. He can win it. He can win it.

Pacman, you could win the Ohio's Finest Award. I think you have to be from Ohio to win it. Oh, you have to be born natural. You have to be a natural citizen of Ohio. I'm not sure, actually. I don't know. Pac's been in Ohio long enough. He should be up for it. I don't know.

I think he had to be born in Ohio. Okay. Could you imagine you win Ohio's Finest? Holy shit. It changed my life. Could you imagine you win Ohio's Finest? Holy shit. It changed my life. Could you imagine that award? Yeah, man. Would you want that?

Big award, huh? Yeah, it is. Big award. Everybody knows what it is. Everybody knows exactly what it is. Jesus. Do you have a jacket? Or is it like a Hall of Fame type crew?

Do you guys get a red jacket? You get a ring, don't you? Don't you get a ring? Letterman jacket. Ring? Nah, maybe the ring's in the mail. I don't know. I didn't get it day of.

12 days. They need to start souping this up. Let's get some fucking jackets on the boys. Some tailor will just grab tablecloth to make it big for all these fucking giants. AJ Hawk, 6'2". What are you? Barely 6'1". I'm not a giant at all.

6'2", 250. He's being a giant. Strop. Absolutely2", 250. He's being a young lad. Strop. Absolutely strop. Strop a young lad. Bobby Carpenter, absolutely strop. Mike Vrabel has two tins of dip in his mouth. That's how big his fucking head is.

He just kind of blends in there. Absolutely jocked. They need a red jacket. They do. They need a red jacket for that thing. Don't you think? I mean, we should. I wonder who they're looking for for next year to win this thing.

Maybe they're going to get a sweet jacket and a ring. Okay, and can we add on to this conversation? Because this felt like a good idea, and I only know this happened because the general, Bobby Carpenter, was posting about it all weekend. At the same thing that you won this Face of Ohio award alongside Kirk Herbstreit, they were doing a fundraiser for charity and for NIL. Has that Ohio Buckeye cruise people

kind of been like, you know what, we've done a lot of good, but if the NIL needs to pick up a little bit, we can certainly add into that. Has that become something? Is that like basically what every fundraiser is going to be now? That makes a lot of sense. That seems like a smart thing to kind of do with how much money you guys have raised and have the capability of raising, and the people that are giving all the money are all diehard Buckeyes. It feels like that's an easy pipeline to kind of help fund the NIL deal. Is that what's going on? Yeah, the coaches' clinics all weekend, the spring game Saturday,

and then Saturday night they set a stage up. It all came from the crews. So Ryan Day was on the crew. The Ohio State charity crews are going every year. He bought a package for like I don't know how many thousands of dollars for this band to play anywhere he wants them to. And he was like, yeah, I got it. I don't know where I'm going to have them play, whatever, maybe in my backyard.

And so the crews people got together, put this whole charity fundraising event north to Nashville as the band. They're awesome. The kid Evan Blankenship, this lead singer, played to Ohio State. And they played. And a lot of the money, I don't know how much, but yeah, a lot of it went to NIL. And I think they have fundraisers all

the time now where portions of it are going to the NIL. And I think Ryan Day is behind a lot of it because he has to, got to be boots on the ground, man. That's a smart idea, Pac. We've talked about the business of college right now. How do you get the funds? Who cares? Need the funds. Need the funds. The fact that Ohio State has been in this game for a long time, we all assume, right? We all assume Ohio State's been cheating for a long time now day one have

they been we don't know what we do know is if you go to ohio state you play well you'll get paid forever in columbus and in ohio because of how passionate their fans are we're talking about fifty hundred thousand dollar signing things after you graduate from college west virginia i don't know how much Pac-Man was offered. I got offered like $750, $1,000. Here we go. That was awesome. That was really good.

I didn't take that deal. But that is the difference of going to a big school that has it kind of figured out and their fan base kind of all invested. In this NIL world, they're adapting. They're changing. They're going to be able to keep up. I think that's probably the start. All these big schools are probably going to be doing shit like this back.

Yeah, the game now is to stay caught up. You got to pay to play. Everybody is paying these kids. These kids, it's not like when we was in school. It's out. You got paid, though. You were sixth overall pick. You definitely had to have gotten paid.

The car or something. Oh, I played the fifth on all of this. But West Virginia took really good care of me. I would say that I have some really good coaches and a really good neighborhood as far as the city of Morgantown. I shouldn't say neighborhood. Community.

Community of Morgantown. I found different bags at different places sometimes. Yeah, well you got to do it. Those bags are interesting spots. But I like to hear that Ohio State's adjusting, though, because that's a school, much like Iowa, that could be like, no, this ain't how this whole thing goes.

Ryan Day, I think he was pretty open. He's like, this is what I'm going to need. What was it, like a year ago? He did players and how much money each player would take. Yeah, he was like, I'm going to need this much money. If this is what you guys want to do, he openly said it. One of the first people to openly say, this is, I'm going to need this much money. If this is what you guys want to do, he openly said it. One of the first people to openly say this is what I'm going to need. I think the early backlash

was like, oh, this guy's just whining. This guy, you've got to be able to recruit. You think Jim Trestle needed fucking $13 million, Ryan? You just lost to Michigan. Let's worry about that. Let's not worry about the money. As everybody else is doing it, I like the fact that that ohio was like okay well ryan said it was right

yeah i appreciate that love what ryan's doing love that they're going to keep it moving how much money have you uh you given hey jerry you just offering up potential hangouts with the face of ohio i don't like i was actually talking to somebody a guy that used to play uh saturday at this little barbecue they had after the spring game and he was saying like if he gives money he doesn't want to give it to just like an nil fund he said like i don't want this money going to these high school kids like if you're saying this goes to the interior o-linemen that have been grinding there forever i will give money towards that but i don't think you can like differentiate yet but maybe they will eventually okay so they're trying to take it one step further like i don't know if they are that was just this guy's idea he's actually he's a surgeon he's a very smart guy that's just what

he was thinking like how much weight does he have i mean i don't know influence guy's got pretty good influence or no i don't think he's like no he's actually a cool dude who has a lot he has a life so he's probably not bugging them telling them how they can be better well he's probably just living his life what i'm thinking though is like there's certainly going to be some school that figures that out. Transfer portal stuff. Yeah, because you've got to pay these transfer guys, too. That's the other thing.

You've got to pay transfer portal dudes, too. Yeah, so I think somebody's going to figure it out, and I think that's going to be an advantage. If you have a way to do it. This whole Buckeye Cruz thing, adding in funds, that's an advantage. The Buckeye Cruz thing, this cult cruise that you guys have been going on for a long time that has basically every rich person that is associated with Ohio State all in one place multiple times a year. It's like now capitalizing on that is brilliant. That is very smart.

You're ahead of the game. That type of shit is going to be an advantage over other schools that can't do that. And I'm happy to hear that Ohio State's doing it, especially from the voice of Ohio, A.J. Hawks. You're ahead of the game. That type of shit is going to be an advantage over other schools that can't do that. And I'm happy to hear that Ohio State's doing it, especially from the voice of Ohio, A.J. Hawk. So it's not as simple as just like what you try to do with like Brady Ware. Like that surgeon can just like write up a contract on the spot and be like, OK, if the starting center and guard decide to wear a T-shirt that has the doctor's office that I work for to half of their games that are televised, that he can't give them X amount of money for them doing that? I don't know.

I asked him that. Nobody knows. I asked him that, and he was like, honestly, I have no clue. Nobody really knows the rules. Well, you can't right now because you've got to wear whatever the team issued. He said like if you do a commercial or something, though, right? Yeah, sure. Let's just say he tweets he has 14 followers bingo and he puts out a tweet a video i love watching the indiehat.com boston connor do the work yeah

but if you win that post will be worth thirty thousand dollars bingo if you lose that post will be worth $30,000. Bingo. If you lose, that post is worth $10,000. Is that not incentive-based? How are they getting around that? Can you do that, though? What's that? That's the part you can't do, I thought. Well, that's what I'm saying, though. But isn't everything kind of performance and incentive-based?

That's why it's done. So I think they just get paid for the post. No, you can't say incentive-based. That's the word you cannot. So I think they just get paid for the post. No, it's flat fee. You can't say percent of base. That's the word you cannot use, Pat. Instead of base. You might say that to yourself, but you got to say, all right, mentally, I want to give him $25,000 for every two touchdowns. Here go you, $50,000, man.

You got to have a good season. But you can't put it in there. You got to have two touchdowns in order to get this $50,000. Because they think that's inside trading or I don't know how. So you're just giving them 50K no matter what and you're telling him like, hey, you better fucking score this week. So all these kids that's getting these deals, they're not getting a deal based on you must

have four touchdowns. That's not how it goes. Can you just say you want to renew the deal every time so you select 25,000 touchdowns? No, I understand that. But if it's like you're getting this and then there's potential escalators or bonuses because of performance, like that's – But you can't put that in there.

It's not like – We don't have that yet. We can have that as far as when we was in the league, you know, we can have that in our country. Absolutely. But also we couldn't gamble. Agreed. So the difference is in college is they don't want these kids You know, we could have that in our country. Absolutely. But also, we couldn't gamble. Agreed.

So the difference is, in college, is they don't want these kids to get in no gambling situation when it comes to, oh, shit, I got to have 10 tackles. Let me be selfish and go and try to get my 10 tackles. Oh, interesting. Oh, and then we think, hey, this motherfucker might have 10 tackles today. And this is the thing with Quinn Ewers. He signed that $1 million NIL deal, and he'd forego his senior year at Texas, so he went to Ohio State, but they needed him to play. So he didn't get any of the money, right?

No, I think he still got money. Yeah, he still got the money. I don't know how much. No, I was wondering the same thing. I don't think he got a big chunk of it. Hopefully they work out in these contracts. Like, hey, give me at least a signing bonus no matter what he transferred if i don't stay he was there for a little bit though would that be like a chunk up front i don't know also after

your first year like if you play great and you get more money that was incentive based because if you would have had a shitty year then you're either getting exactly what you got the year prior or less i guess they don't want these guys guys signing for $0 if you score a touchdown, we'll give you this, and no deal at all. Because then it's like a Ricky Williams deal. When he got drafted to the Saints and Master P negotiated that thing, and it was like, yeah, in theory, should be able to make yourself $100 million. 1,500 yards every year.

And then when it doesn't work out, it's like, oh, he gets gets absolute shit worst deal in the history of the nfl changed the way a lot of things go so i i appreciate the fact that they want to protect it seems like want to protect the student athlete like want to protect these people that are very new to business and might not know it like you can't just get a completely incentive-based contract but everything is performance-based. That is just the next deal is going to be worth what it's worth if old buddy performs well. So, like, if there's a bonus in there, if the team wins,

I guess you can make it team-based incentives? Is that probably? I don't think you can do any of that. I think it's here's 50K. You're required to have two posts and one appearance. Here's 50K or whatever. Yeah, but an extra $30,000 if you win. Well, they can say, hey, you play well. There'll be appearance. Here's 50K or whatever. Yeah, but an extra 30 grand if you win. That might make sense.

Well, they can say you play well. There'll be more. There'll be more to come. Pat, this is the good part. The money goes up in the transport portal. You get what I'm saying? So, like, let's just say you get a kid. Now, you got some kids that are top notch, like the Mannings.

You know what I mean? Arch. Arch getting his money. He didn't have a good spring game. Everybody's on his ass. He's 17 years old. Right. It doesn't matter.

The money's guaranteed. And nobody was up. Yeah.. Right. It doesn't matter. Your money's guaranteed. And nobody was up. You're saying it don't matter. His money's guaranteed. Yeah, that shit is guaranteed. All of these NIL deals are guaranteed money. So, boom, let's just say he outplayed that $1.2 million. Then West Virginia come in.

Hey, I'm going to give you $3 million. It ain't going to be perform-based. Hey, look, here go your $3 million. Come here. So it's just contract. Yeah. Got it. What a time.

Yeah. Good for these young little millionaires out there. Because some kids get like four-year deals right away. Wasn't there a kid, the freshman quarterback at Tennessee? Yeah. He got four years, $8 million. Like right off the bat. Like no matter what.

He'll get a four-year off the bat. Well, three-year. What's the four years mean? What's that mean, so let's use miko as example i think miko got three million dollars a year he got i think that last year was is one million dollars that he got in his contract so he's gonna get nine million dollars the first three years a million dollar in the last year if he go to school there is like his single year which he probably won't go won't go yeah and to your question will i let him sign it yeah four years two year deals you can't look at it like that because once you leave the deal is non-voided so you don't have to stay just because you have a

four-year nil deal you still can leave whenever you want to leave interesting as in three years because that's when they're draft eligible? Yeah. See, for me, I want to hit the market again. That's the thought that I'm having for – Is it beneficial for these people to pay these players? Like, is it helping their business? Or are they just, hey, I'm part of the club.

I get to be – I'm in here. Yeah, you get to be on the sideline and your schools may be good, right? That's where everybody's kind of flexed. This is all just a flex. Yeah. Boosters. I looked it up. So Quinn Ewers had a three-year deal, too, with Ohio State.

If he leaves after one, does he only get paid for one of those years? Is that how that works? And did he get paid for that one year because he didn't play? Must have been. Because if he didn't get paid, that's profound. I'd like to see the contract. Yeah, I think he got paid. He's getting the money.

He didn't get all of it. I know he didn't get all of it. Yeah, because he left. Yeah, it might have been the last couple years. But I'm saying, did he get 100, did he get $100,000? Did he get $10,000? Like, what did he get? Did he get what he was supposed to get for the amount of time that he was there?

Right. Yeah. Because he didn't play. Nothing happened. Didn't even see him in the hearing. You got to work in signing bonuses. If you do a deal like that, you need to work in signing bonuses. Hey, give me $500 signing bonus.

The other $500 happens if I stay here and I play. We just tried to call an NIL agent. I do not believe we were able to get a hold. What's that? Hold on. We're calling an NIL agent. Yeah, we do know one. Pretty big deal. Let's go. Just hilarious if this goes

through that this is just how our show operates. We got a question about how these deals work. Let's fucking call. He's dialing. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, Drew Rosenhouse. Yeah! Drew!

Joining you from Miami Beach, as you can tell from the surroundings here. Everybody has said that that place is amazing right now. Miami is like what L.A. was 10 years ago, is what Dana White said. It's fantastic. It's booming. And you've been the mainstay for a long time. We don't want to take up too much of your time here.

We appreciate you. We were just talking about these NIL contracts. So the big words is what? It can't be performance-based. They're incentive-ridden. They can't have that. It's just basic flat contracts that these kids are getting. And if they leave the school, that's basically an opt-out of the contract.

How does all this work, Drew? Because we're trying to figure it out how we can put bonuses in for guys that we want to potentially bring to West Virginia or AJ. But it sounds like bonuses aren't even possible because performance-based shit is seemingly a no-no. Is that right? You want to know something? This is such a new field that I don't even consider myself to be an expert on this. I'm still educating myself. Okay, so it's fucked up. It's fucked up. It's pretty fucked up right now, you think? Well, it's just new and it's evolving and there's a lot of things that are constantly happening. What I do know is most of the deals for NIL are not performance-based. It's a one-year contract and it can be basically with the collective where you're getting paid

in writing an agreement to participate on this team for one year for X amount of compensation that is usually paid out throughout the season. They're not incentive based. And if a player leaves the school, the deal becomes null and void it can be for one year and then it can it can obviously you can go to another team and sign another deal yeah got it got it drew but okay so are there are players trying to get like signing bonuses so even if they may be late may leave the school they get some kind of chunk of money up front we're thinking quinn ewers and how his situation worked out with Ohio State. You know what?

It's really professional football now, guys. It's a free-for-all. It's free agency. I don't see why you couldn't get a signing bonus. And then turn around and leave. But, you know, you might have some liability towards the collective or the deals that were put together, I wouldn't recommend that. I wouldn't recommend getting a signing bonus and then flipping it

and essentially going to another school. But I do think they're good one-year deals. What you want to look out for are empty promises from teams where a team gets a guy to transfer or come there from high school and then reneges on the agreement, especially if a player doesn't live up to expectations of their potential. Have we gotten to that point yet where guys have had to be told that they stink and nobody wants to pay them any money anymore?

Has that happened? Have we hit? Because that's an uncomfortable conversation drew yeah that's happening for sure guys there are there are absolute cases where a guy comes in and has the deal and the team doesn't want them and basically encourages them to enter the transfer portal for the next season. Yeah. It's professional football. Yeah, yeah. Listen, the transfer portal, it opened up on Saturday, and there's over 110 players in it already.

Hey, go get them some money, Drew. Go get them some money out there. We appreciate the hell out of you, buddy. I'm trying. You're the best. Thank you. Hey, Jalen Hurts' deal. Good deal?

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Anytime you get an extension done, Pat, and you get guaranteed money, it's a good deal. I know people aren't impressed with the cash payout, but there's a lot of unknowns. And the guaranteed money makes a lot of sense. It's a strong guarantee. Did you hear what Lamar was offered from this whole thing, allegedly, from the new reports as of the last 24 hours, allegedly what the Ravens offered?

Have you heard that? And have you heard anything from Lamar's team since you came on the program? I did. I watched your show, so I saw what Ian had to say about the offers that he's turned down, and I have not heard back from him, although I am still open. Hey, Lamar, I'm here in Miami, man, just like you. All right.

Give me a ring. Get one of those entire gyms. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, agent icon Drew Rosenhaus. Thank you. That was funny. To be honest, we don't really know either, okay? That's crazy.

Nobody knows. Nobody knows the rules, man. So I was just doing a quick little reading and i think uh where it is now is the ncaa still has banned pay to play as they call it effectively so you're allowed to endorse something using your name image and likeness obviously but the way it stands right now is you're not allowed to pay an athlete for performance on the field per se. You can pay an athlete more money because they are a more prominent name for

an endorsement that they have done, but you can't pay them directly for scoring however many touchdowns, doing this or doing that. It has to be for some type of tweet, post, appearance. We offered a guy here on Grand to come play basketball for us. I don't know what he's going to do.

That's what I read. We can paint him and play, obviously. Good player. We're painting him to win. No, no, no, we're not. No, we're not. No, we're not. I'm not a part of that whole thing.

My name was associated with that thing. I did not do anything. I just said, like, hey, you need to use my name. It'll help out. Go ahead. Feels like my name should not be a part of it because of what my show is. I don't think it is anymore. That's a whole thing. But

this is a good time to be a father of a house that has 10 D1 athletes inside of it. And potentially knowing the business side of it all. I think they're going to be like Angel Reese. She's going to get paid even more money. Caitlin Clark is going to get paid even more money.

You talk about obviously men's basketball is happening. Football is happening. Seemingly a lot of money around right now. And it's all because there's a lot of grads of schools that just want to see their school win. Remember that side door shit that was happening? For like USC and Stanford and all these schools. Wait until those grads are like,

yeah, I want us to be good at sports again. You know? How much do you have? I don't know, like $2 billion? Just fuck. There's a hundred. You know, like that can start happening, too. You never know who's going to be the one that's going to spark the interest.

For West Virginia, it's Mr. Kendrick, the guy that owns the Arizona Diamondbacks. And I'm thankful for it. Hopefully West Virginia gets all the way back into the game. You got to pay. Well, you're not allowed to. Yeah, you can't. I guess you're technically not allowed to pay. You could also go the other route, a little more nonconventional,

like Bobby Carpenter and just say, hey, listen, I can't give you money to play football, but I can give you a 40-hour-a-week job installing air conditioners, have a great 401K, okay, you know, a fun work environment. We'll provide you with your own tools. So maybe some kids will start doing that instead. AJ, why don't you apply?

Why don't you help the guy out? This is such good pub for Bob. I actually went to my phone and checked to make sure this wasn't Bob's personal cell, and it is not. So I'm glad he didn't post his personal cell phone. But if you call that number, you could potentially get to the general. I'm going to call it. Paid time off and six paid holidays.

401k match, bro. Think about your future and think about the fun work environment with General Bob Carpenter on the side of a van. Playing tunes. He needs workers. Ohio's got workers. Let's go. Carpenter Columbus is hiring experienced plumbing service technicians.

Reach out today for an interview. Not just going to give anybody a job. No, no, no, no. Going to have to interview. Certified, probably. Don't miss out. Be a part of Carp's crew. Could you imagine a long day with Bobby Carpenter

and then eating snow cones in the back of the van just hanging out in Ohio? Plumbing all day. Come on. Snow cones with Carp's. It's been a long, hot day during the summer. That's what you do when you install AC. Yeah. Cool trick. Maybe a little ice cream. You heard

the little ice cream truck music coming around. Bob would run five miles and chase that dude down. That's a fun work environment. It is. I figure he would probably speed up next to it, jerk the car in front of it, force the guy to stop. He'd blow out his flask too and make a rum float with it. But Bobby Carpenter with his company, he would. With Bobby Carpenter with his company, he would. With

Bobby Carpenter's business there, he can easily get into the NIL game. Exactly. He wants, you know, we need one more linebacker that I kind of like. What's it going to take, pal? $100,000? Boom. All I need you to do is take a picture with this van a couple times. That's right. Make a tackle, smile, and point,

pal. Here we go. Marvin Harrison Jr. already called. Yeah, how much money does he make, pal. Here we go. Marvin Harrison Jr. already called. Yeah, how much money does he make, anything? He's probably getting $2 million a year right now. God, he's got those cool shoes, too. Another thing you know what this do, though, it weed out the kids who really want it and who really don't want it. You know, some of these kids, oh, I want to go pro.

Then you get a couple dollars. You stop fucking paying attention to what the main thing was. The main thing was fucking school and getting out of college to go to the league and a lot of these kids are getting a hundred and two hundred thousand dollars and they never had it and like oh i think i'm rich now no you're not fucking rich yeah two hundred thousand dollars ain't shit the enemy of good is great right the enemy of wealthy is rich people get a bit content with a little bit of success and have no idea that there's a lot of bit of success right around the corner they should use that as an indicator as opposed to an answer. I actually talked about this.

I don't know how I would have been. Not that I would have been in a position to get this money, but if I'm one of these quarterbacks that's getting a few million dollars as a 19-year-old, just the human I am, there's zero chance I make the NFL. Running sprints. That 5 a.m. bar was bullshit. No way, bro. What are we even talking about?

So these kids that are making millions of dollars and still working and going, it's almost like they're maturing right in front of our eyes. And when they get to the NFL, it's going to be a lot less question marks. Hey, this guy can already handle the moment. He can already handle money.

He knows everything that's coming social media-wise. It's almost like they're prepping for adulthood much sooner. But there's going to be a lot of guys that fuck adulthood much sooner but there's gonna be a lot of guys that fuck it up there's gonna be a lot of guys that fuck it up i just that's just gonna be natural how could they're not we see guys in the nfl that get drafted that know hey this is coming they try to prepare you for it and you still run into all kind of issues so when you're 17 years old and they're throwing that money at you like of course you're gonna have issues money doesn bring you happiness, but it does bring you freedom. That particular freedom can lead to some decisions

being made that aren't always conducive for the long haul. Hopefully they'll be able to put some guardrails on that entire thing. I bought a wrestling ring as soon as I found out how much it costs. That paid off. Just think about that in college. Me in my dorm.

In a wrestling ring around. With the dorms, if you're making eight million bucks, why wouldn't you just be like, I'm not living in the fucking shoebox.

No chance. I'm going to go buy the nice, or I'm going to rent the nicest fucking apartment that this. Where's the AD lift? Where's the AD lift? Exactly.

I'll move it next door. I'm in the neighborhood. Oh, I got a bigger dock than you. Weird Saban. All right, let's go to the phones. Let's go to the 5RNG

phone line. 1-833-432-3663. 1-833-4 DA-DOOM! Cherry is my favorite flavor. You know what, AJ? That's a good point. Berry has become my favorite because it's been the most prevalent in the office.

Because if you go to 5RNG.com, use promo code MACFEE, you can receive 20% off your order of 5-Hour Energy. You can get a shit ton of them. We got a bunch of cases of them over here. So good. A lot of the 5-Hour Energy Extra Strength Berries. Also have the Hawaiian Breeze. You like the cherry. There's a watermelon.

Watermelon's so good. Tropical Punch. Oh, it'll get you going. This will rev your engine, AJ. Let's go to the 5-Hour. Let's go to Drake in Kansas City. What's going on, Drake? Hey, Pat, boys.

How you doing? Keep it moving, Drizzy. What's going on? Also, it's Dre-like, forgot about. Not Drake-like. Bad album. Good to know. That's...

Anyway, I got a little conspiracy for you. What's up, Doc? I believe the NFL is putting a hold on the D-Hop trade so that it can happen on the first round of the NFL draft in Kansas City. He'll be traded to the Chiefs so they can manufacture an electric entertaining moment from the crowd. Dr. Dre, not a bad point there. We did see the clip of d hop being interviewed by

cbs sports's brian mcfadden who has the podcast with pat p which is called everything covered everything covered i do believe we're all things covered great content gatherer yep shout out to the ex-nflers crushing it out there in the content game. Brian McFadden's one of them. He talked to D-Hop, I believe at one of D-Hop's events, and asked him about the pending trade and said, don't say nothing, just use body language. This is to Dre's point that maybe the Chiefs are going to have D-Hop on the team.

That would be absurd, and that would make no sense at all. Here's the clip from CBSbs sports rumors about trade you don't control that of course so i want to play another game with you right all right i don't want you to verbally answer this question i'm going to name some destinations i want your body language or your facial expression to determine like oh would i like that spot if the cardinals want to trade you first destination he's really good really good with body language. We're going to go with the New England Patriots. Let's read his body language. Pretty good.

All right. I think that's good. Second destination. We're going to go with the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills? Hell yeah. Okay. I don't know.

That doesn't look good. Third destination. Western New York. We're going to go with the New York Jets. That's enough for me, though. Last destination, we're going to go with the New York Jets. That's enough for me, though. Last destination, we're going to go with the Kansas City Chiefs. What? Well, that feels like the one.

The best answers are the answers where you don't hear anything. You're right, Brian. Hell, yeah. We did hear a lot, though, there, didn't we? He gave full answers with no words. I respect and appreciate that. I like the fact that McFadden put him on a lot there, didn't we? He gave full answers with no words. I respect and appreciate that. I like the fact that McFadden put him on the spot there, too. Said, hey, let's get right to the point.

Clearly, Chiefs are a contender for DeHop in DeHop's mind. He also said he doesn't want to pay race. He said it. There's also a rumor about him working. Our sources have kind of said to the opposite of that. DeHop going to a new team probably knows. We haven't got to direct. He would practice.

He's going to practice. He's going to a new team. Our sources have told us, like, hey, he's going to a new team. He's going to have to fucking practice. That's how it kind of goes. And he's not looking for a pay raise. If he ends up with the Chiefs everybody's gonna be pissed off about that it makes sense that he wants to go there this is all if the arizona cardinals will trade him

pack you obviously have knowledge of the situation what are you hearing out of it and what did you think about the body language um our sources said um we had already talked about this. I think that was one of the teams that was in the lower cut. But all sources said that that might have happened. It's one more of the team up there that he missed. What team is that? The team on his shirt. Baltimore. Oh, really?

Baltimore in the game. My sources said that that might still happen. Well, that's because the reason why people think it couldn't happen is because they paid Odell Beckham Jr. 15 M's. They'll have to pay Lamar Jackson at least a franchise tag, which is 32 M's or something like that. Will not be able to afford another big-time wide receiver. But, D-Hop tweeted, not looking for a pay raise out here.

What if D-Hop ends up with Odell Beckham Jr. in Baltimore? What if D-Hop ends up at Kansas City? What if D-Hop ends up at Buffalo Beals? What if D-Hop ends up at? Green Bay Packers. What if D-Hop ends up at a lot of these places? These teams are immediately better, and I think their fan base is very happy. I wonder where we are and if there's going to be a trade or not be a trade in the Arizona camp, AJ.

Doesn't it feel like there's, I don't know, at least I feel like there's going to be a trade. They're going to move on. Whatever's going on in Arizona, I don't even understand what's happening with the owner and whoever used to work there. That whole situation is very confusing. To me, I don't know how it's going to play out.

But yeah, of course, DeHop, oh, the Chiefs, he's a receiver, he's a stud. Yeah, okay, I'll go there. That sounds good. Ohio's finest, obviously pointing out some things. Cooking in the Arizona Cardinals building, outside of just the D-Hop trade. And pew, pew, pew. Shot, shot.

Explosives, explosives. New head coach, new GM. Maybe it is the right time to move on from D-Hop. But yes, if the Chiefs get him, it would make so much sense. Like, of course, Andy Reid ends up with fucking deandre hopkins on his team yeah of course like we would all be so confused and then every other gm would tell us that they made the right decision and then all of a sudden d hop has 255 yards in the first half of a game next year because travis kelsey eats up a bunch a bunch of attention from a defense and D hop eats up a bunch of attention from the defense and everything else.

They are going to, they'll probably draft somebody who runs a four one. We haven't even heard of somebody that's going to get drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs that has run a four fucking one. And Andy Reed's going to have them in motion catching a touchdown at some point. It's like the Tony trade paid off, boom, in the Super Bowl. As soon as it happens, it's like, how did Andy Reid end up with the next Tyreek Hill? Oh, because that's what they do, and they have success.

If DeHoff ends up at the Chiefs, I'm going to lose my fucking mind. It makes a ton of sense because if you do look at their wideouts, MVS, Tony, and Sky Moore, it's not like – I mean, if they lose one of the – they are thin very quickly. And it's not like there's a lot of experience in that room either. DeHop immediately becomes like him and Kelsey are 1A and 1B immediately. Yeah. And then Tony is going to be a little bit more comfortable in the whole thing. Yeah.

MVS. Pacheco back there. Man. It feels like they might trade. We'll see what happens. But if they love a guy in that first round, if it comes to their pick and they don't have that guy or he's not on the board,

why not just move that 31st pick for D-Hop? We're moving Mr. Tick-Tock to a different team. D-Hop fits. Oh. Juju did go to the New England Patriots. Yep. Big time signing from Bill and the boys here we go oh that's mr here we go yeah yeah mr tiktok they still got other tiktok down there uh-huh but also

everything we've heard is that dhop might only command like a late second or a third round pick like any of these teams be like all right yep fuck it uh we'll get rid of that right away if we can get him and if he doesn't want to raise either the arizona cardinals will be a part of back-to-back draft night surprise trades that steal the show steal the conversation would be a lot of fun for chiefs fans and the kingdom and i assume it would get loud if roger goodell went out there and said we have a trade deandre hopkins has been traded to the kansas city chiefs in return for the kansas city chiefs first round pick. The Arizona Cardinals are now on the clock. And then walk off.

Roger Goodell is the man! Yeah! He gets peanut M&M's. Does his whole thing. The booze, too. That'd be a moment. If they do Buffalo, that place would erupt. He would send out, I assume, a teacher. Chimpanzee, maybe? Yeah.

I don't know if Roger Goodell's going out to announce that one. I've been in this game long enough. I just had another deal. You can fucking go to it. Good luck. Maybe it'll be Sam Rappaport. Yeah. Makes sense. Send Sam out there. Sam, welcome to the league. Yeah, I know you've been around a long time. You're going to go out there and tell

them that Chiefs were thinking about trading. This is a big part of it. Chiefs were thinking about getting DeAndre. They lost. Tell them they suck. Windows over. He's going to the Buffalo Bills. And in return, now the Arizona Cardinals are on the clock.

They're going to boo the shit out of you. Sam, it's going to be tough. This is what it is. This is what it is, Sam. Welcome to the Thunderdome. Let's go to AJ in South Carolina on the 5RNG Frontline. What's going on, AJ? Boys, how we doing?

Keep moving. Hell doing? Keep moving. Keep moving. So, what a huge Colts fan here. So, what are the odds that we actually trade back to the 10th pick where the Eagles are and get Hendon Hooker? I mean, as much as I love Anthony Richardson, I think

4 is kind of a shitty spot to be in. I'd say. I think 4 is also a shitty spot. Why would they go with the Eagles? The Eagles want to get to four to get Jalen Carter? That's what I'm thinking. I mean, that's really the only pieces that they're missing are defensive pieces for the Eagles anyway.

I mean, their offense was absolutely stellar this past year, and they lost a bunch of defensive players, and I think that Jalen Carter would be a good fit for them, and I think Hennon Hooker would be a great fit for us just as much as Anthony Richardson would be. I love Hennon Hooker. I love the thought of it. He would allegedly be around at 10. The thought that teams will trade up to get defense

as opposed to a quarterback has not been broached. But somebody told us just yesterday that this is going to be a very defensive heavy draft. So maybe Jalen Carter, who we had worries about because he was out of shape and obviously something very dramatic happened and he was arrested during the combine. Like, I don't know how often that happens. Just during the combine, like during the interview process, publicly

arrested, then back to the interview process, which I respect and appreciate. That's a terrible scene down there. Terrible situation. Saddest of sad. But then he shows up out of shape, it seems like, for his pro day. Puts on a terrible workout. And now everybody has to call in to question everything. Can this guy be in the NFL? Will he be able to get money?

Is everything kind of going the wrong way? What's it going to be like with free time without Kirby Smart kind of dictating every moment of his life? Like, that whole thing started. Then Drew Rosenhaus says, he's not visiting anybody outside of the top 10. So then we got all the Philadelphia Eagles. Must need Jalen Carter. So do other teams think that the Eagles need Jalen Carter?

Will teams be trading in front of the Eagles to get Jalen Carter? Now that's kind of public that they're going to get there. We haven't even talked about that. We've only talked about people trading for quarterbacks. Maybe the defensive guys get some love in here. Nolan Smith was talked about people trading for quarterbacks maybe the defensive guys get some love in here nolan smith was talked about yeah people loving nolan smith maybe there's some moves made for defensive guys that kind of turn the entire draft upside down next thursday aj i

think yeah that's probably what will be somewhat surprising the team that jumps up you think uh who knows like we're all thinking they're going to take this guy or whatever and they take some interior d lineman or somebody that maybe we didn't have in the top five or top ten. We have gotten some updated details on the Allen Robinson trade with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Adam Schefter is reporting the Steelers will get wide receiver Allen Robinson and a seventh-round pick.

Hey. Pick 251. That is not Mr. Irrelevant. Brock Purdy was picked after that pick, so that could be somebody. Rams receive seventh-round pick, 234. Rams paid $10.25 million of Robinson's salary. Steelers paid the remaining $5 million. Robinson is scheduled to be in Pittsburgh for a physical Wednesday.

Oh, no. All right, Pittsburgh Steelers doing business. Nice. Doing business. I can't find a downside to that one for me. Me neither. I thought this was a wrong tweet. I mean, when you talk about leverage and compensation and everything like that,

seems to be leaning heavily in the Pittsburgh Steelers' favor. Guess they just wanted that deal off the books, but will still pay $10.25 million. Get him out of here. What the fuck? I mean, the Rams, I mean, it's great for the Steelers here because they swapped. What are you smiling so fucking hard? Who deals the fuck? It's all upside. I mean, the Rams, I mean, it's great for the Steelers here because they swapped sevens for all the picks. What are you smiling so fucking hard? Who gives a fuck?

It's all upside. You just got the best guy off the board or something. I'm fucking giddy, Pac. They just beat the Rams. I'm a mark. But on the other side, who was it? Leonard Floyd. They wanted to get him off the books and only saved like a million dollars

this year. I think the next year's savings I saw for Allen Robinson is big. They're trying to get things off of the book this year so that next year they have even more. The Rams are in a bad situation. Well, that's also why the Cardinals are shopping DeHop now. DeHop's contract after

this upcoming season will be zero for the Arizona Cardinals. New coach, new GM can get to zero with that contract that was done by the previous regime. Now it's without DeAndre Hopkins. So that is still a certain, you know, books pay people that are good at football. You're losing a guy that's really good at football.

So, like, that never gets brought up whenever they talk about, oh, the books are better, the books are better. It's like, is the team, is the team. I don't know if the Rams care because Allen Robinson and Matthew Stafford, for whatever reason, never became an item. No. And Matthew Stafford's all the way back and recovered. They just wanted to get him. We'll swap

sevens. We'll pay two-thirds of this thing. You take them. Okay? That's kind of what it feels like the Rams did. And congrats to the Steelers for being on a receiving end of that and doing something Steelers don't normally do and getting the much better deal here, even if Allen Robinson does nothing.

Exactly. That's a good deal. That's the best part of it. It's all upside, which you love those type of deals. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Amen. Amen. Hey. Tom, this make y'all better in the division? Yes. This is a Toma move, by the way, Pat. What did he say to you? Because he liked Allen Robinson coming out of the draft. Did he? Yeah. What did he say to you? Because he liked Allen Robinson coming out of the draft.

Did he? Yeah. What did he say to you about late in your? Oh, he was giving me cheap. When you're on cheap and you said, I'm never going to be that. Oh, on cheap, yeah. He said, when you're used goods a little bit and you're not worth as much, that's why I'm going to bring you back home.

I said, I ain't never going to be cheap. And I retired. I retired before I could get to the cheap. I was i was staring it down though i was about two years away you know i knew how many more swings does his knee have left in it well we're gonna get out of here that isn't alan robinson play you only gotta pay him two five two five what's the next year has to be big it's nothing guaranteed but i think it's like 15 or 12 12 i think i saw there's an out right so it's a one-year deal yeah and they're gonna probably agree to an extension of some sort if any success is had at all by allan robinson yeah in matthew canada's very creative explosive

explosive offense complex what's wrong pac-man seemed to be a little bit down on it in the dumps because of this he's talking about explosive he's shooting the 22 or pim pim pim explosives a fucking 12 gauge they don't got that right now yeah you guys you got pickings who could be a 30-06 but guess what person pulled a trigger has no fucking idea where the bullet needs to go that would be matthew canada fucking gp is more like a 50 count my friend of course true can he pick it with two gloves too that guy's oh my god yeah double on the turret absolutely hey not a bad gun bullet reference metaphor conversation pretty good all of it if the gun people were to listen to that

they'd say oh kind of made sense fucking guys no 22 is a nice little plinker this is a chopper what are you doing you ad-libbing for a song right now oh no in the background that's like explosives What are you doing? You ad-libbing for a song right now? Oh, no, no. In the background? That's like explosives. Explosives. That's what I'm talking about. Pretty good.

That's what the Pittsburgh Steelers are trying to become. They're trying to become. No, no, none of that. That's what they're trying to do. Because the Bengals got all of that. They do. And the Ravens got Odell. And potentially, from what our sources are saying, maybe D-Hop out there.

Look out. Holy shit. The AFC North, it's hot in the kitchen, isn't it? It's hot in the kitchen. And the Cleveland Browns, where are they going to be? Nobody even talks about them. They posted a video yesterday of Deshaun walking in the building. That's the first time I've seen them do that. Well, Miles Garrett.

That must be all behind us. Miles Garrett. Pew, pew, pew. Pew, pew, pew. Miles Garrett said he's no longer doing any of the Pro Bowl fucking games after breaking his toe last year in Vegas. He's come out and made that statement. Feels like the Pro Bowl games had a fun little run. It was fun.

It was cool. Fun little run. Got to commentate that game. Had a fun little run. The water balloon was the most dangerous. I hope they just get rid of that one. Keep everything else. Keep the golf. Yep. Putting the weights in and the sleds and pulling them. That was a good one. How do you feel?

How do you think Cleveland Browns fans are feeling? The only time we talk about them is they're the ones that gave that shitty fucking deal to that guy who had, right? That's the only time we talk about the Cleveland Browns, right? I don't know. I think that's the only time anyone talks about them. That's what I'm saying. So if you really like that, though, is it good, though?

We're not, I guess. Remember, was it a couple years ago people thought Browns was going to win the Super Bowl? Was that the year that Baker, was that just two years ago? Two years ago. That was after Baker took them to the playoffs. Expectations were sky high. You would think Deshaun's expectations would be sky high,

but I don't feel that way. I don't know. Maybe people in Cleveland feel that way, and they're happy to be under the radar. I didn't get a chance to chat with the Miz because obviously the Miz and I had a chance to, you know, scrap in front of 80,497 people at Set Fire Stadium. Had to kick his ass.

And I didn't get a chance to ask him in that moment where we were talking beforehand because there was other things that had to be chatted about because he made it up a challenge. And listen, WWE Universe needed to see him perform. He's the fucking Miz. He put on a five-star last night with Seth Rollins. Almost beat Seth Rollins a couple times last night. Yeah, it was unreal.

It was unreal. I was like, damn, I just... Fucking wiped the floor. I don't know. I don't know. Am I the... Seth, look out. Okay?

Look out. Now, I did kind of sneak attack. He had no time to prepare. I assume his... Didn't get to ask him. He's a diehard Browns fan. You don't hear a lot of Browns fans like publicly saying we're going to be good. Ever.

Or that Deshaun is going to be great. You hear a lot of Browns fans being like, hope we're good. Hope we're good. Hope we're good. Hope we're good. You know, it's like a much different vibe almost out of Cleveland. When they sucked, their fans were louder. You know, like when they were not good, their fans were a lot louder.

Now it's like they got a guy they're paying 230 million dollars to they feel uncomfortable being an open fan about them yeah kind of uncomfortable being a fan of them and they haven't really proven anything so they're kind of quiet and the only time that they're being talked about is oh that fucking deal that the haslam gave to deshaun that's new market that's what everybody needs to do and the rest of the NFL is like nah they're still the fucking Browns we're not doing what the Browns are doing no chance wild time to be a Browns fan well and it seems like it kind of went from like if you weren't a fan of a team in the AFC

North like you were kind of ambivalent on the Browns like whatever they always suck but like now it's like well I want like I hope they fail like I do not want to see the Browns win and it kind of is because of all the shit with Deshaun. Holy shit, though. Well, it's true, though.

Ambivalent? Don't care one way or another what happens with the Browns. They're going to suck anyway. I totally agree. I've never gave a fuck what happened with the Browns. I'm totally on your side, buddy. Totally on your side. Let's go to the phones.

Let's go to Marty in Sacramento on the 5 Energy phone line. What's going on, Marty? Hey, what's going on, fellas? First and foremost, I want to thank you guys for finally talking about the Sacramento Kings and giving them national attention. We're not the only ones. Hey, we're not the only ones. We might have been a little bit late, Marty, but we want to let you know,

we do apologize. We come from a city where we open the show with this. 90% of the people, if they were polled in Pittsburgh, were told to give all the NBA teams from California, and they would get a million dollars. 90% of them would leave Sacramento Kings off the list. They would have no idea that that team is even in the NBA still. But what you guys are doing at Golden State,

in the atmosphere that is buzzing in that arena, in the way the outside pictures and the scenes look over there, it looks like a beautiful city, a beautiful time. And congratulations to all of you, Marty, for being very patient through a terrible, terrible, terrible franchise all the way up until now. Yeah, I appreciate that. But a question for Tone Diggs. So earlier in the show, you had mentioned that Golden State

has a pretty good record at home. But my question is, is what does Vegas say about the Kings being the best road team in the Western Conference with only 16 losses all season long. Oh! Suck it, Ted! They are like 24-16, which is not as good as 33-8 that the Warriors are at home. Oh!

Oh! Marty! Oh! Oh! I hung up on him before he could send return fire, but I believe what he would say is, suck the sack, dude. Yep. Is Sacramento saying that? Right now, I the sack, dude. Sacramento saying that?

Right now, I think they are. Are they saying that? Make some shirts. Yeah, I think I saw some. Suck the sack, dude. You know what his problem is? This is what happens with any team that has sucked forever and then they start doing good. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't. You could talk about them and you could talk about them for fucking

nine hours, but if for that nine hour and first minute you say something good about potentially the other team that they're playing, then you're disrespecting their team. You're saying this is what it is in sports media. Or just, I mean... Sports entertainment. That's why he hates the Bills.

That's why he hates the Bills. That's why I hate the Browns. That's why you probably hate the fucking Lions and the new, brand new Lions. Okay, congrats. let's see you do something Alright two more calls here on the 500 Let's go to Mike in Minnesota What's going on Mike Bad boys how we doing

Keep moving Three more calls this call and two more Because I just read the caption of one of the calls Need to have that one just like we need to have this one By Mike in Minnesota How you doing over there M-I-N-E-S-O-A, Minnesota? Which is the real state of hockey.

You guys can have the hockey cans, but it's the state of hockey here in Minnesota. Valid, valid. What do you want to talk about, Val? Just a quick question for AJ. I want to know what's behind that bookcase. Is that like a BDSM dungeon or something? Oh!

No, sir. I have no judgment towards anyone that is into that stuff, but it is not a BDSM dungeon, Beck. Is that a part of the Ohio's finest criteria? That might be. Yeah, you gotta be a weirdo. Whips and chains, handcuffs. Is that what you got back there, AJ? Is that what that of the Ohio's finest criteria? That might be. You got to be a weirdo. Whips and chains, handcuffs. Is that what you got back there, AJ? Is that what that cruise is all about?

Oh, shit. Just your cruise. Just the cruise you went on. Oh, the no cock Buckeye cruise. We didn't say no handcuffs. No, we didn't. Buckeye cruise. Let's go to Hunter in Wyoming, just because I don't know how many Wyoming callers we've had.

What's going on, Hunter? What up, Pat? Yo, I just wanted to get on the show to say that I love you, Pat. And I had a question with the whole Jalen Hurts contract. Do you think Joe Burrow is going to get paid more than him? Great question, Hunter. We assume that the next quarterback will make more money. And he's, what, one year older than?

No, same age. Older? Were they the same drafts? Because he's in his third year? I think he's a year older. I think how old you are is a big part of this. Joe's 26. He'll turn 27 December, so he'll be 26 for a while.

Oh, December, baby. Hope it's not December 25th, because then we're going to call you. Jesus Christ, you're the guy that misses out on birthday gifts. Yeah. I thought this was both their third years in the league. Jalen is. Ain't that right, AJ? That's what they said.

Jalen's 24, but 25 to start the year. So he's a little bit older. Yeah. I would assume he's going to get a little bit more money. And he's been the guy since day step foot on the field over there. But I don't know how much money Cincinnati is going to be able to round up. No offense, Cincinnati. Okay?

Give them a percentage. Well, they're going to round up more than that one. What was it, 130? 133. Yeah, it's going to be more than that. Yeah, it'll probably be what? Like $170 million, $175 million, $250 250 something altogether it'll be the highest fully guaranteed yeah since deshaun watson maybe 200 mil guaranteed 260 altogether six-year deal

yeah just somehow with a 10-year deal make it a 10-year deal do the mahomes do the yeah exactly patrick mahomes kind of kick it down the road they need joe joe's you're not gonna leave yeah joe is he'll make every penny of it. Joe's the next. He's the next guy. Holy shit. Joe is. Joe is the face of Ohio.

He has been since he got there. He's Ohio's finest. For sure. He changed everything. Can we get him a red fucking jacket? Please. He needs one. Last phone call here from Alec in Charlotte.

Remember, you don't go downtown you go uptown queen city what's going on alec what's up boys keep it moving absolutely going uptown uh just checking facebook earlier today caught a video that i thought was pretty interesting uh it's gonna be a zebra attack coming out of uh ohio, a question for the president of Ohio himself. When did he start a zebra army on the compound, and how is he getting to train them, you know, taking off arms is a pretty serious offense for a zebra. If he just put them in a barn and just on a projector screen,

just A.J. Hawk and James Laurinaitis footage, like what kind of film is he showing them to get these zebras to take arms off? Okay, great question, Alec. And I assume, I haven't been on Facebook in a long time, I assume if it's on there, it's real. And it's definitely true. I seen on the caption there, it said, Safari animal beheads somebody, Ohio.

Had to see that. Did not know it was potentially a pet zebra. How come Ohio, and we watched Tiger King, and I think that was Arkansas or something like that. I forget the Oklahoma. I forget what state it was. And then the lady who killed her. Carol Baskin.

Allegedly. Turns out she's back. Yeah, they found her. Yeah, okay. The guy's not dead. She did not do anything wrong. She was harassed terribly, allegedly. She's in Carolina, I think, one of the Carolinas.

And then that guy that's running a sex cult. Pogovan. Pogovan Antle. He's in the Carolinas. She's in Florida maybe. Whatever. So they're always all around there. But it always feels like whenever we hear about these things in a terrible fashion.

You know like Jaguar crosses highway. Panther in tree in neighborhood. Two tigers stroll into a Denny's. Like it's always in ohio yeah what zebras are taking people's heads off in ohio aj why do you guys still have the safari law and how does this always happen to you fine ohioans you think well first off i would like to see somebody check facebook see if that's a true story because even in his story he said in the caption it says beheaded but then he said

they bit someone's arm off so i need to know it's a big difference so i need to see that so it's an arm i believe it was a month ago zito just looked it up bite it off uh this does appear like a wild you know get out of an enclosure somewhere wkbn zebra bites man's arm off in ohio before being put down it was like a big you know you sting one time on and die. Zebra knew that if it took an arm off a human, probably going to die, but had to go down on the zebra's sword. While deputies were treating the man, the zebra continued acting aggressively and charged. One deputy's cruiser.

What's that? I wonder, did they go back and take his arm back out so they can put it back on? Yeah. Probably, you put it on ice. Yeah. Yeah, probably keep it around. They riddled that thing with fucking bullets, I'm sure they went and grabbed it.

Painted it. How about that thing still want another piece of that man? What did the man do to the zebra? I don't want to have to ask. Probably had him in a cage. Probably had him in a cage his whole life, right? Okay, yeah, probably that's it. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, you've seen Mr. Hands. You've seen Mr. Hands, you know. A zebra is pretty similar to a horse i guess but the whole um why does this always happen in ohio i think the laws have changed haven't they changed after the dude in zanesville had a you know had all these wild animals he killed him he opened the door and killed himself and they all escaped i thought things changed after that that was a full lockdown right yeah yeah but luckily the animals were so they'd been enclosed for so long they didn't not many of

them really took off they kind of hung around the area and they shot all of them so 9-1-1 what's your emergency yeah i'm driving on 70 i just seen a fucking jaguar what do you a jaguar a jaguar where just crossed the fucking highway i think it was a jaguar i didn't that was not a deer i don't know it was not a bear you tell me 911 what's your emergency i just walked out in my backyard yeah a fucking african lion who's sitting on top of my swing set that that's what that was happening wasn't it yeah that was real people got pissed that they were shooting them they said oh you need to need to tranquilize them and get them back and jungle jack hannah's on cnn be like hey there's like 70 lions and all these crazy animals that could kill you.

We don't have time to sit there and shoot them and let them eventually pass out. We're getting more information out of the zebra arm attack. The owner had been burning brush when he turned his back and a zebra attacked him. Sheriff's Lieutenant Jonathan R. Strazer said there were six to seven zebras in a fencing area on the property.

Sheriff's deputies responded to an incident of a zebra biting a man March 13, 2023 at a farm in Circleville, not to be confused with Centerville, the home of Herbstreet and A.J. Hawk. Circleville is a different place. An officer positioned a cruiser in an attempt to block the zebras from the victim,

but a very hostile large male zebra charged the driver's side door of the vehicle, according to the incident report. The victim was found with a hemorrhage to his right arm below the elbow and was taken away by ambulance. Deputies tending the victim, an officer saw a male. Okay, got it. He's coming back.

The family authorized deputies to put Don the zebra, it said, Don. Had to do it. Did they really have to authorize it? Well, he didn't get Don back. Sounds like he just bit his arm. So he was in their cage, though, right? He was in the zebra cage. Yeah, he was the one. More like, right? He was in the zebra cage.

Yeah, he was the one. More like a paddock. There you go. Yeah. What was he doing with these zebras? Is it a petting zoo? Did you get to come see him? Large male was obviously a little bit threatened. We don't know if he was happy here.

He's okay, though. Don't know what else was going on. They should have just taken this thing to the zoo and shot it in the head like they did Harambe. Get him in the zoo, let him eat some peanuts or whatever he did, and then shoot him in the head and kill him there. They didn't kill Harambe like that. Yeah, they did. They certainly, what, he grabbed like a half of a sandwich from someone at the zoo,

and they're like, Jesus Christ, shoot this thing in the head right now, and they did. Yeah, but we're in a time now like Lolita. Thanks a lot, Sensei. You know, where Harambe probably would have just been let back into the jungle if what happened then had happened. Was it a half of a sandwich or was it a human being? It might have been a toddler that was in there, but I like to remember that he just grabbed some guy's peanuts or sandwich

and they weren't okay with that. He carried the kid by his diaper. He was trying to protect him. Yeah, he was Did you ever go to Circleville and see these fucking zebras Was this like a tourist attraction Not in the Hawk household It was not

I'd take my kids to see it now Was it a public thing or was this guy just hanging out with zebras I think there's a lot of people A lot of people like this If he had six zebras I need to know what other animals he had They saved the guy's arm I didn to know what other animals he had. They saved the guy's arm, okay? They saved the guy's arm.

I didn't know if Zito said it was a hunting. Is it a hunting place? Like, is it an exotic hunting? I don't think you can have a hunting place. It says it's not illegal to own those zebras in the article. So I'm guessing you can. Ohio, just whatever you want. Yeah, any animals. They're not considered dangerous.

How do you want it to be? How do you want it to be? How do you want it to be? Ohio, you can literally buy anything. Yeah. And keep it there. That's why it's the best. They just classify it as a freak thing that happened. Yeah, normally those zebras are real kind.

Real freak thing, a zebra bit a man's arm off in Ohio. Let's hope it's an anomaly. Let's hope those zebras don't like the taste of blood. Yeah. A lot of blood over there in Ohio. Ain't that right, AJ? What are the other zebras? No, there's five other zebras don't like the taste of blood. Yeah. A lot of blood over there in Ohio. Ain't that right, AJ? What are the other zebras? No, there's five other zebras.

What are they going to do? Well, it seems like there's some bitch-ass zebras in there. Let one of them kind of go do all the work. And I would assume if you just... All right, before we get out of here, Pac, let's go ahead and win some. Here you go, Pac, man. Hey, Pac, let's go ahead and win some. You should get one.

A zebra? You have all that space. You could fence it in. You could have lions, tigers, everything. I need like a goat's go. You should get one. A zebra? You have all that space. You could fence it in. You could have lions, tigers, everything. I need like a goat or whatever. Like the thing that just like kind of. Goat sheep? Yeah.

Maybe. You could definitely have goats, Roman. Get little miniature goats. They're cool. They'll eat the weeds. Yeah. I want a miniature bucking bull before I get in. That'd be cool.

I went to the rodeo one time. Saw a radio clown was riding on a miniature bucking bull. I said, well, i want one of those for sure big old horns it did the bucking i was like oh there's a party trick i was like i'll just ride a fucking miniature bucking people come over the house wait till i bust open this barn and i come out of there on this little tiny little rock miniature bucking boy holy cowboy hat on i mean yeah i thought about this all and then i asked him what the price was i went all the way i talked to the farm that has them

obviously over there in Dakotas you'd take great care of them they said they're big time assholes these things are very rude you're going to have to really take care of them that day will come, maybe some goats I think so I think so

I've heard those what's that pal? you don't have to do them that for a building no I guess these things are real fucking assholes like hold grudges and stuff No? I've heard those. What's that, pal? No, I guess these things are real fucking assholes. Like, hold grudges and stuff. Yeah, you gotta be real nice to them. Yeah, so me just straddling that thing ain't gonna be... Yeah, he's probably not gonna love it. I won't be casual.

But maybe a zebra, if I learn that not all of them bite people's arms like they do in Ohio. Sure. Pac, you're in a good spot. Were you shooting from here? I don't know. I'm going back down there. I don't know. No, you're good. You're supposed to be in the camera. You're fucking Adam Pacman, Joe. Yeah, good spot. Were you shooting from here? I don't know. I'm going back down there. I don't know. No, you're good.

You're supposed to be in the camera. You're fucking Adam Pac-Man Jones. Yeah, come on. Pac, Pac, you rattled out last hour. Yeah, you can do this. AJ, anything to say to Pac-Man? I mean, that first one he shot looked like it was in three different times. It should have been.

Yeah, it was kind of like that happy Gilmore putt when he goes to the putting thing and it's a clown. That's kind of what the hoop did. This time it's not going to do that. This time that thing's going to be what? Oh, look. That's wonderful. Good grab. He's got great shoes.

Sick shoes, too. A little plastic liner on the shoes. Hey, this is a good fit today, Pac. Good fit today. If Adam Pac-Man Jones is able to make this shot, we call it the moon shot. Oh, it looks so good. From the opposite foul line. This shot's brought to you by Bush Bavarian.

There's an especially dirty Bill McComas on the floor. Looks like he might be smoking a little something. Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball. Hey, let me know when the practice shots are out of the way. All right, all right, another one. All right. Real shot start now. Real shot?

Real shot. All right. If Adam Pac-Man Jones is able to make the moon shot here in the Thunderdome, we'll give 10 free marches to anybody who... Oh. Good shot, Good shot. Stop, Pack. Got plenty left. Nothing but time.

If Adam Packman Jones is able to bury this moonshot... Oh, chance. Top bricks to the side. Top bricks. There's no bonus ball bouncing. If Adam Packman Jones is able to bury this moonshot from the opposite foul line, we'll give 10 people some free merches from store.papmackfyshow.com. All you have to do is retweet this video and say something nice to somebody.

Make the world a better place. You'll automatically be entered. Could win some free merches. All we need is Adam Pac-Man Jones to drain this moonshot. Got it. Bonus ball. Come back over here. There you go.

Bonus ball. I'm coming. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, he said no. ball. Come back over here. There you go. Bonus ball. I'm coming. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, he said no. No bonus ball. He didn't leave. Oh, jeez.

We all thought it was a very aggressive decision to try to do that one again. You know? That first one. We're all super optimistic. The first one ruined it. You want to throw this one? Into a hoop? There's lights.

There's lights. There's lights. More than lights, there's lights. More than we had at the beginning, but not enough yet. Almost there. All right, ladies and gentlemen, if Adam Pac-Man Jones can bury this throw, as if he's Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert. Good line.

Good gauge. Ladies and gentlemen, all we need is... Oh, jeez. No, no. We're losing balls. It's the opposite. Good line. Adam Adam Pacman Jones makes this shot. Boom! That was a good fake, though.

Yeah, you run a little RPO there. Yeah, I like that. Oh, you're going to make this one. Ladies and gentlemen, all Adam Pacman Jones has to do is make this on his first shot. If he does, we'll give 10 people some free merches from store.padmackershow.com. Okay. Good legs. Quarterback. Quarterback.

Hey, quarterback. Whistle tip? Oh, yeah. Modulator. Get it, you know. Calibrated. Calibrated. Calibrated.

Who wasn't open today? Today won the day. It's alright. We always got tomorrow, don't we boys? Hell yeah. Well, until we don't. So we gotta live like today is. I'm done. What's Jeremy pivoting up? Good question. Probably filming Sweetwater.

Hanging out with the fellas probably peaking right now sweet water next friday what'd i miss it'll be out then you didn't miss anything what do you mean what are you talking about then what's happening what do you mean nothing we're just shooting the trees i don't know dude you're on the no cock buckeye cruise at the time that's right okay no i was here when Piven came on. Oh, so you heard it? Which part? What do you mean?

He's promoting the movie. He hasn't. All right, let's get the fuck out of here. If we have to tell you, you don't know. You're right, I don't know, but I look forward to it. Listen, now that you're president of Ohio, you'll be able to figure it out. We got faith. Big thank you to Dan Orlovsky and Rapport and to all the people that called in on the 500-inch phone line.

Yes. We appreciate the hell out of you. There's a couple big-time things happening around our particular universe, more specifically gambling in the baseball realm. It's Dinger Tuesday, which means if you place a pre-live straight $25 to hit a home run wager on any of the MLB games today, you can get a $5 bonus for each dinger hit by both teams in the game, max $25 per game. Bruce, maybe next time.

Nice. I can't wait to bet on that. You could have read it before we went live, but that's not your style. No, it isn't. I would like to add in to the fact that you didn't read once from that book that you stapled notes in during the wedding. No, that's not your style. No, it isn't. I would like to add in to the fact that you didn't read once from that book that you stapled notes in during the wedding.

No, that's not true. I had to read. I actually, if you look at the video all the way to the end, I even read Ladies and Gentlemen for the first time as Mary. Oh, really? I thought you didn't use it at all.

Yeah, I had to read like the vow stuff and the exchange of the ring stuff. I didn't know those exact words. Well, you did a good job. That was fun. You did phenomenal. Compliments from people. Nobody compliments the service,

really. Normally, people are like, that was an interesting service. It was really cute. It was emotional and everything like that. It certainly was emotional, which I believe is because of you. No, I was rattled from the beginning because everyone was so emotional. I was like, man, I'm not used to this. It was so beautiful, wasn't it? It was fun. Yeah, it was very fun you i was a little no i was rattled from the beginning because everyone was so emotional i was like man i'm not used to this it was so beautiful wasn't it it was fun yeah it was very fun it was a gorgeous wedding it's my the best time i ever had in pittsburgh history so thank you nick how about no thank you thank you thank you thank you

and joe he had a good time too yeah joe joe is dressed like a dress dressed at the wedding joe is dressed like a fucking asshole. AJ, come in. I said, all right, Joe. We're going to... He asked me what I was wearing. I was like, yo, I'm wearing a nice little suit, boom, boom, shoes and a pair of red bottoms.

He's like, well, I got my best shirt. Joe walks in in a fucking hoodie. Yeah, it was terrible. Hood up with a hat on. I've seen the sweats in the hoodie combination that he wore on the Jason Hansen... No, Chris was terrible. Hood up with a hat on. I've seen the sweats in the hoodie combination that he wore on the Jason Hansen. No, Chris Hansen. Chris Hansen, yeah.

Catch the Predator. Yeah, Catch the Predator. Where did you see this? 15 to 20 times. This is a black tie affair that's happening. As soon as I saw him, I'm like, we've been too nice to this fucking guy. This guy thought he could show up at one of our weddings and look like this. We've been way too nice to this fucking guy.

Imagine this, though. Walking in with me, there's only two black guys there with all Italians. All of them. All of them. And you know how they dress. Hairiest. Boom. Yep. Bingo. Very dead. Well said. Everybody

was very dead. Did he think, did Joe think that this was like, hey, this is sweet. I look good. I think so. Yeah, he did. Black man told him black tie. I think he caught a black shirt and just showed up in gym shorts. Nonetheless, Nick, I'm married. Pac, you are a blast at the party. You need to know that.

Big shout out to you, your wife, and family for coming. And also, today is a massive day. You know, because not only is it, whoa, big day Tuesday, April 18th. Not only is it the day we break some news, it's also the day that Tuesday, April 18th. Not only is it the day we break some news, it's also the day that an absolute legend was born. Connor, you have crushed everything in this world has given you.

We're incredibly proud of you. Congrats on another trip around the sun. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you Happy birthday, dear Connor Happy birthday to you Hey, we're proud of you, buddy. Thanks, guys.

That's a keto cake. Nice. Hope you made a good wish. Happy birthday, pal. We're proud of you. Thank you. I appreciate that. It's always fun coming in here, but unfortunately, I changed my birthday.

You can change anything these days, so I decided let's move it down to November. November 5th is my new birthday. That's my brother's birthday. Remember? The 5th of November? There you go. What else can you change? Anything you want.

All right. Happy birthday. That is not how this should have went, but we are all very proud of you. Happy birthday, Con Man. And we love you, man. Good day. Good day. Love you guys.

Happy birthday, Conner. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm excited to try that keto cake. Looks good. I'm trying to get back into ketosis after a hell of a time. Hard to imagine this is keto. It is.

It is. I had to order it. Literally, one of the first times our offices thought ahead. Here we go. Zito, ain't that right? Funny story on that one. Yes, sir. Zito said, so you're not in the room but how you know how the thunderdome go

echoes and stuff zito came up to me and said i said what was that chailing my inner belichick by the way there you go he said tomorrow's you're gonna have to say it one more fucking time you know i. Just say it. He goes, I don't want to speak too loud. Tomorrow's Connor's birthday. Do we want to get a keto cake? I said, that's what you said the first two times. Holy fuck. I did not hear that at all. But then I said, yes, absolutely

brilliant. Zito made this whole thing happen. I think that's a keto cake, right, Zito? Yep. The baker actually backed out, but we had to cook it for my house yesterday. Wow. That is a fully keto cake. Are you serious? Zero percent sugar, yes. Holy hell. Thank you to the Zito Hash.

Thank you, Zito Hash. Coco. And happy birthday, Con Man. But yeah, we thought about you because we love you, buddy. I appreciate it. I love you guys, too. This does look unbelievable. If that's no grams, I mean, that's lunch, I think. Seriously. All right, let's get to a break.

We're back tomorrow. Why don't you tell something nice to somebody? You know? You might make somebody's day. You might change their life just by saying a compliment to them. And if it's something that you know they took a lot of time on, like an absurd haircut, a ridiculous jacket, stupid shoes, compliment that and just keep it moving.

Because at some point, they had to make that had to, it weighed heavy on their mind. So it's not a bad thing to walk up to somebody with grotesque hair and say, Hey, love what you're doing. And then walk away. Let somebody else be the bearer of the bad truth. You'd be the person that emphasized how great of a decision that they made. That was a difficult one because that's going to make them feel better and maybe make them have an incredible day, which who are we to judge? You have a good time. You do you. So say something nice to somebody.

We'll be back tomorrow with a big time program. We're going to Chef Bo's. Goodbye.