The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 889 - Parker McCollum, Mike Rupp, Von Miller, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night’s Stanley Cup Playoff games, the NBA Playoff games, and try to remind everyone that a lot of these guys who will be drafted in the 1st round next week may stink in the NFL as they go through a list of first round QB’s whose careers didn’t pan out the way they imagined. Joining the progrum is sandbagging golfer and one of the biggest country musicians in the industry right now, Parker McCollum, to chat about his new album coming out May 12th, his yearly schedule, his golf trip with Pat and the Mannings, his songwriting process, how he comes up with songs, and much more (18:53-43:15). Next, Stanley Cup Champion, NHL Network Analyst, and co-host of That’s Hockey Talk, Mike Rupp joins the show to chat about the Stanley Cup Playoffs, if the Bruins are going to walk away with Lordo, Morgan Barron getting 75 stitches during the game agains the Golden Knights last night and coming back less than a period later and finishing the game, and what else we should be looking for as the playoffs move on (1:14:41-1:52:29). Later, 2x Super Bowl Champion, Super Bowl MVP, 7x All-Pro, 8x Pro Bowler, Future Hall of Fame, and Pass Rusher for the Buffalo Bills, Von Miller joins the show to chat about how his recovery from ACL surgery is going, Damar Hamlin being back, what the Bills need to do to get over the hump, Von Miller day coming up soon, if he’s been involved with Brandon Beane in the draft process at all, and much more (2:11:24-2:46:05). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’re off tomorrow, we’ll see you Friday, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Wednesday, almost 420, April 19, 2023, this sports program starts right now. Much mana! Much mana to everybody out there who is choosing to watch this particular program on this particular day. We have a massive sports program for you, but not only are we doing the sports today okay we have some big time news we got an incredibly handsome cowboy fuck coming on the show country musician parker mccollum will be joining us okay now a lot of people are saying who's parker mccollum to watch our show now ask your significant other that's right next to you or

potentially at work or somewhere else send a text message message, ask that question to. Parker McCollum is the country musician for, like, love. Yeah, he's a heartthrob. He is a heartthrob. He is properly jocked. Yeah. Properly jocked, super handsome, can ride a horse, says just ranching or light ranching, is an actual cowboy, sings about love all goddamn day.

All day. I got a chance to go on a very nice golf course with him. He is also a sandbagging son of a bitch. Oh, wow. So whenever we talk to him, we'll chat, obviously, about his music, got a new album coming. It's going to be great, May 12th. Okay. We're also going to talk about him being a sandbagging son of a bitch.

We're also going to talk about maybe his life at the top of the fucking world right now. Absolutely. This guy did the rodeo down in Houston, from Houston, did the rodeo. I think it was like 70-some thousand people. Damn. That's a massive fucking uh stadium to be performing from they all knew all the words now did i know all the words to this guy's song

whenever i first met the guy no probably not actually had not heard really any of his particular songs whenever i met him after meeting him though i said cool fucking guy want this guy to be successful i'll stream some of his songs. Turns out he's only got like 45 million streams on like seven, eight different songs. Hundreds of millions. He is a megastar. I was a complete doofus for not understanding that because of how cool and humble he was. So that's good news.

Can't wait to chat with him. Maybe he'll learn us something. Yeah, I'll teach you something. Maybe he'll learn us something. Speaking of learning something, Mike Rupp will join us. He's former Stanley Cup champion. Obviously, the NHL playoffs are in full swing. The NHL playoffs are a must-watch.

They are very entertaining. Now, even if you're not a hockey fan, you turn on an NHL playoff game, normally people are going to be flying at a really high pace. There's going to be incredible skill. There's going to be incredible passion. And there's a chance that a guy's going to get stabbed in the face and need 75 fucking stitches. Middle of the game. Morgan Barron

stabbed in the face by the goalie skate. Had to go to the locker room. Get 75 stitches. He was asked what he was thinking about. Were you scared? He said, I just didn't know if we scored or not and how quickly I can get back out there. 75 fucking stitches. Now

you do something to your elbow when you're a kid growing up. Something to your knee. Maybe to your jaw. And you have to go get stitched up. They're like, oh, you got 12 stitches in there. That's a lot. You got 10 stitches in there. That's a lot.

I got them literally all over the place. 75 stitches in the middle of a game. Came back into the game. Only thing you wonder about is if we scored or not. These hockey players are fucking champions of toughness. Yeah, different breeds. And the NHL playoffs are magnetic because there's not a lot of leagues you can watch them fight each other. What?

Skate around each other. What? Dance around each other. What? And then fucking stab them right in the face. That is a sport that is unmatched. Shout out to the NHL obviously getting a lot of attention for the 75 stitches, but also being in playoff time where people should watch hockey

even if you don't like hockey. Hockey, all the dogs won last night. So even the favorites aren't like just taking this thing over. It's real competition. It's real battle. And it's really life-threatening as we saw with Morgan Barron's face. We'll talk to Mike Rupp in the second hour. How often do people get stabbed in the face? Normally it's a puck

to the mouth, so they got weird smiles. This time it's a skate to the face like Happy Gilmore was trying to kill somebody. We'll also have Vaughn Miller on the program. We'll get to catch up with Vaughn a little bit. I believe he has Vaughn Day coming up soon. He's part of, obviously, Vaughn's vision. He's fucking Vaughn Miller. They're back in the building in Buffalo.

He had no knee brace on. They're saying he must look really good. He has felt good since like four days after the surgery. Where's he at now? What are his thoughts on the Bills and the NFL as a whole? Cannot wait for today's program with the Talks at Table. At Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Boys, how we doing?

Fantastic. Last night, like you said, a lot of dogs in the NHL hockey playoffs. I thought there'd be some closer games. I know Ty's probably a little bit more upset about that than I am. What happened? The Golden Knights got their asses beat last night. But, again, we just talked about it. You got a guy who gets his face pretty much sliced off, gets 75 stitches,

only misses a couple shifts, and comes back out and plays. You have absolutely no chance to win the game. What's that dude's name from that movie where the billionaire kid becomes Robin Hood? What is that, Batman? Yeah, Bruce Wayne. Okay, so, and then the... Well said. Then who's the person at the end of the...

Tim Face. That could have happened to Cuz last night. Yeah. He was getting full body weight pushed this way. A couple hundred pounds of pressure this way with a skate a knife basically this way with the knee and that bone right there pretty strong i think this one i think this bone's pretty strong yeah so the couple hundred pounds on his face coming down this way and then no no give on this side. With a knife here.

That could have been heads I win, tails you lose. I'm sure. Whatever the hell it is. Goalie skates usually a bit more heavy duty as well. Does look a little more heavy. It does. Looks sharp as a blade. And he basically just said, hey, as long as I can see out of my right eye,

that's all that matters. I don't need the left side of my face at all. Came back and played 75. Great work by the suture. Yeah. That's a lot of needles quickly. That's how it ended. That doctor should be very proud of their work.

Thank God for the helmet, too. The helmet, the one they put on afterwards or the one in general? I'm just saying the helmet saved him a little bit because if he didn't have the shield in it, he might have got it in his eyes. So that's the thing. It actually went up underneath his. I think it went up underneath his helmet.

Yeah, because he lifted it up there. Like when you send an Isley chip top chopped ham through the slicer. Yeah, cut that meat. We've seen the Peyton commercial. Cut that meat. Cut that meat. When it seen the Peyton commercial. Cut that meat. Cut that meat. When it has kind of like a guardrail. Right, yep.

One half of the hammer. Tone Diggs is here. Tone, underdogs winning is good for Gomblin. What happened in the NBA? I hit big. You know why? Why? Because the Suns remembered who they were.

That Clippers-Suns game was certainly a little bit of a seesaw, teeter-totter, but they come back, get a big win at home. Now Chris Paul is 1-14 against Scott Foster, Game was certainly a little bit of a seesaw, teeter-totter, but they come back, get a big win at home. Now Chris Paul is 1-14 against Scott Foster, the ref that was trying to fuck him the last 14 games. Interesting night for the NBA as well. How about the gambling? As you can see, all the favorites covered in the NBA last night. The Celtics go up 2-0, and they're taking care of business in that series.

Cavs got a big win over the Knicks, who beat them in game one and tied 1-1. And then Devin Booker, what, had 38, I believe, to lead the Suns, 123-109, who were down early. I was a little worried about them, but all the favorites covered last night. Devin Booker's a dog. We saw him play live. It looks like he's moving in slow motion. Kevin Durant, awesome.

He's such a big fan of his. Also a massive fan of this man. Ladies and gentlemen, 14-year NFL corner, icon, pro bowler, all-pro, Pac-Man Jones. Pac-Man, you watching much of the NHL or any of the NBA playoffs right now? A lot of NBA playoffs, man. What's that all about? Waiting to see these Lakers tonight. I don't really know too much about the hockey thing.

Go Boats. Hey, Pac, go Bo much about the hockey thing. Go Boats. Hey, Pac, go Boats. Go Boats. Big win for go Boats last night. Go Boats. They won last night at home. Massive, massive win. Go Boats.

Pac Man said he was a big Atlanta Thrashers fan, and once they moved out of Atlanta, he said, I can't watch it. Is that true? You knew the Atlanta Thrashers? No. No? Oh, okay. Never did the ice.

Never did the ice. How about the Olympics? You ever watching those figure skaters? Yeah, they do it they do triple mctwisty ollie thing we got the guy you ever seen it nathan chen yeah that's right we got the guy redemption story you don't do the ice don't do the ice okay well let's talk about the basketball then lebron james and i might be able to go on a run huh lakers might be able to do it you're a big time brown fan big time brown fan i'm eager to see how this goes tonight. That sun seems going to be tough in the West. Very good. The West, yeah,

that's going to be tough. You're right. Nuggets are tough out there too. Yeah, Joker. He hasn't won anything. He's going to be pretty motivated. The Clippers. How about the Kings? Let's not get crazy. The Kings are hot. The West is good. The guy got his actual sternum stomped through the court. I hope he's all right.

And a guy got ejected and suspended for a game. You know, immediately upon watching the Draymond Green stomp, we thought to ourselves, somebody's got to ask for it. He kind of put his leg in a rear naked choke, if you watch it from the beginning towards the end. Turned a little. Yeah, he does a little whoopie, like a Mac Jones move almost. Big hip. That somebody would do.

And then he kind of lets him go. Draymond's tripping. Draymond decides instead of tripping over top of him and being a gentleman, he says, I am Draymond Green. That's right. This guy did give me the green light here basically by putting my leg in a rear naked choke. And he stomps right down in the center of Sabonis' sternum. Now, Sabonis has a bruised sternum.

There's a chance his ego might be a little bit inflamed. What will this do for the Sacramento Kings going forward? We're up 2-0 over the Golden State Warriors in a best-of-seven series. And remember, in the history of best-of-sevens, if you go up 2-0, you are winning 92% of the time. It's a high clip. But maybe Draymond Green, who is the consummate menace, we got to get Sabonis out of here.

Nobody's going to think that Bruce Sternum will do the trick. Wait until Sabonis tries to breathe after I step right through this guy's heart. Is that what happens? Is this a plan? Or do we think that Sabonis – I had no idea Sabonis was going to be hurt from that. I did not know that that was going to happen. But once again, wood on the bottom of that. Not very giving, I guess.

I didn't get a chance to go back and see that clip where he really had his ankle in the headlock where he could have got hurt also yeah um agreed if this wasn't draymond green i don't think the player gets suspended um only reason draymond got suspended in this situation because all the other shit that he's done done in the past um i think this is going to hurt them. I don't think the Warriors are going to win this series, and I think they lose this week. Clean sweep. You think Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are just going to go out laying down?

I can tell you whose fault this is. Who? That stupid fake video that Steph put out. The fake video's curse. Could be. Chucking the ball. Same thing happened to Tom with his stupid job machine And the hole in one Never in the history of athletics

Has a player on a team Who put out a fake video Ever come back to win anything I don't know why Steph would do that I tried it Granted our Court here obviously isn't full size But those are NBA 3s.

So we're probably like 10 feet short. 10, 15 feet short. Sure. It's makeable. Which is certainly, that's a long distance. I get it. But still, pretty far, we tried it. And the gym he was in was not the largest gym, but it could have been longer.

I tried it from that corner right back there on the other side of that ball. Same way he did. I obviously made them sporadically. To make five in a row would be incredible but i'm hitting four in a row rattling off the rim it's like the greatest quick too yeah like within five ten minutes of trying it the greatest shooter of all time we assume he'd be able to fucking figure that out to be able to do it so i don't know like the dude perfect folks allegedly video came out you know that they put out right so is that them gimmicking what people think that they think that they're doing probably i didn't follow it up enough person in a green suit though yeah yep sliding on a zip line catching a ball putting the ball

in the hoop yeah and dude perfect put that out there so we assume that's not how they always do it but there is a thought that people that are less athletic or less skilled would have to do that to accomplish some of the shit that we see on the internet. That's not like K-Fib crazy. Steph, we don't think that. Steph, it's like, yo, you're the greatest shooter of all time. Why would he sign up to do

that? He's thinking about it day in, day out, I bet. Has his reputation taken a hit? I think so. In my eyes, just from that one thought, I think a lot of people's thinking about it day in, day out, I bet. If you give him 30 minutes... Has his reputation taken a hit? I think so. In my eyes, just from that one fact, I think a lot of people have forgotten about it. You really think he could do that, though?

Oh, yeah. I thought he could. I think if you give him 30... You don't think so? No. Not how the video was. Yeah, but let's just say they don't choose to do that video. They line up from somewhere else that's just as bananas,

and he shoots. I think he could easily make three, five in a row. Steph Curry. You give him 30 minutes, he's making five in a row from damn near anywhere on the court. I think so. He's the greatest shooter of all time, Pat. That's why I think it's such a big deal to us. Steph, why'd you do that?

He didn't have to do it. You don't have to do that. Dude Perfect has to do that. He might have to go film Holy Moly or something like that. So maybe it was a little bit of a time crunch. And they're like, hey, listen, Joe Tessitore is fucking waiting. That would be a tough decision. Paul and Tom both were investors in a company, too,

that I don't know if things were happening with, allegedly. Tony. Well, Tom, none of us believe that Tom made that alone one ever. No. Knew that right away. Steph's shooting, though. There are some marks out there. Maybe we're upset because we are marks. Maybe we're upset because we were on marks.

Maybe we're upset because we wanted to believe it. Could be. Maybe that's why, because we were so emotionally invested. Sorry about that. The do perfect thing, too. It's like you've seen him in action at WrestleMania do the first shot in. Come on, man. You kind of believe that.

Get the hell out of here. What? You don't think? No. The editing on this is unbelievable. I don't even think he hit one. Bro, I was hit. It's very possible. I don't even think he

hit one. What are you talking about? Out of the whole rack. You get like a soccer goalie do that too? They fucking hit that backboard every single time. They don't even shoot hoops every day. Now granted, where he's at might be very difficult, but would the internet care if he was up at the other, like if he was at the other NBA three right there, shooting a different style,

same reaction and he could probably make it. This editing though is phenomenal. So good. But he might never win again. They got the Steph Curry of editing to do that. That's like you taking a ball and punting it and hitting it five times in the goal. I'm not the greatest of all time at that though. Like if I was one of those,

if I was one of those Aussies, if I was one of those, he's done it from 50 yards away from outside. Yeah, I hit him into a garbage can, but like five times in a row is what he's done. But you're right. Like Hugh McCluggage is doing that, you know, fucking whenever he needs to. Bingo. Bailey Smith. Exactly.

Could do that anytime. Mason Cox. Right. Could do that with Aussie Rules Football. I almost called it Arena League. God. AFL was just Arena League, Arena League, Arena League. That is not what it is anymore. It is the Aussie Rules Football League.

Anyways, basketball is doing its thing. The NHL is doing its thing. Football is doing its thing. And we are right in the middle of a lot of different storylines. We are one week away, one week in a day, away from the 2023 NFL Draft. It'll be our fourth annual draft spectacular.

We cannot wait for it. Massive surprises. We are exploring the space. The whole space here at the Thunderdome is being explored. We love draft night. Mostly because we have no idea who any of the people are after the fourth or fifth pick. And it's us just trying to predict and figure out how great a player will be, how bad a player will be, what it will do for a team.

More specifically, who just got pissed off by this pick? That is kind of what the draft has become because when a team drafts a new player, they're obviously indicating that they would like another player potentially to get phased out of the team. Correct, Pac? Pew, pew. That is every single NFL draft. If you ask the players in the league what they think of the draft, either me or one of my friends is losing my job.

You ask the fans of teams, you're like, can't wait to see who we get next. So our draft's spectacular, although it is always good vibes. It's coming from a little different perspective than most draft shows. I think we have proven that. We've done it in a living room. We've done it in a stage. This will be the first one in the Thunderdome. We've got surprise guests. We've got inside information, I think.

We've got some good shit coming. We've got dreams coming true for 31 different guys because there isn't 32 picks because the Dolphins were cheating. Yeah. Right? Paying to lose. No. That's not why they lost it. Trying to lure Tom Brady. Pampering. Yeah, trying to lose or like you're going to have to pay us. That was a thing they did

too though I think. Allegedly. That was allegedly. Make sure we say that. Went to the playoffs the year after so were they trying to lose? Yeah, now he's investing fully. Give Tyreek Hill the deal. Let's make up for that little thing. But it was the other owners were like can't have this happening. Can't have this happening.

Can't have you just dancing in Tom Brady's DMs, offering up a percentage of the fucking team whenever he's on the Patriots. Can't have this happen. You're losing. I think you got fined heavy. And then a first round is a big-time punishment because, as we're looking, only 31 picks for a night that the NFL dominates the entire media world. So it'll naturally be shorter. So that

punishment of losing a first rounder is a big deal that they gave to Miami. But what is going to take place? Will it be a defense-heavy draft? Will there be more quarterbacks than we imagine or much less quarterbacks than we could imagine? This one's a real question mark, Pac, for the first time in a few years, it feels like. Yeah, but it's going to be a lot of quarterbacks,

I think. I think it's going to be four quarterbacks in the first round. I think it's going to be more big guys on the defensive side, D-tackles, D-ends, and linebacker as far as draft-wise. And you can kind of tell because who was getting paid and who wasn't getting paid as far as offseason, too. So you think that's an indicator of what they think they'll be able to get in the draft? Oh, yeah, that's a big indicator.

Okay. Not a bad deal there. That's not a bad read. No, not at all. That's like a real – I don't think we've ever had that particular narrative where it's like, all right, they're pairing these people because they don't think that there's going to be any of those types of people in the draft coming up.

Not a bad – huh? Yeah. Running backs. Yeah, you can go and get your young running back right now for cheap in the second, third round, fourth round. That's probably going to be very productive. They're saying there's a potential couple running backs going to get traded on draft night.

People are saying Dalvin Cook's going to get fucking traded on draft night. Zeke's still on time. Dalvin Cook, Zeke. But the over-under right now is one and a half for running backs in the first round. Bijon's got one in the first round, so it's if someone sneaks in. Second, third round. Only 32 picks. One guy lost his dream of in the first round. Bijan's going in the first round, so it's if someone sneaks in. Second, third round. Only 32 picks.

One guy lost his dream of being a first-round pick because the Miami Dolphins are fucking cheating. Sure, but they picked up if you do become the 37th second pick, you get to go to the six-time Super Bowl champs, one of the greatest organizations of all time. Who's that? The Pittsburgh Steelers because they traded Chase Claypool for a fucking first-round pick.

Well, and then they got Allen Robinson. For $5 million. For $5 million and a seventh-round swap. That's wild to me. I still don't understand how that works, but that happened yesterday. Let's pivot away from football a little bit. Let's start talking about sandbagging a little bit. Here we go.

We all know what that is, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, when you have a conversation with somebody before you play a round of golf, and due to the words that were exchanged by you and said person, your expectation of their level of golf is at something. Then all of a sudden, that is not the case at all. They were lying.

Nay, they were sandbagging. Joining us now is the most handsome sandbagger I've ever seen. He has an album coming out on May 12th. It's going to be a banger. Hell yeah. Obviously, he can go on Spotify and be one of the hundreds of millions of people that have streamed this handsome cowboy's songs.

Ladies and gentlemen, Parker McCall. Yeah! What's up, dude? How we doing? Good to see you. Hey, where'd you get that hat? Did you go to a golf tournament that was, uh, that was down there in Georgia? Uh, I played my own golf tournament, uh, down at a little club in Georgia recently. So, Oh really?

I did. And I, and I did not, uh, I did not perform very well, but I had a great time. Yeah, there it is. You heard it. Yep. You heard what just happened right there? Sandbagging again. I got a chance to play golf with you at a very nice course down there in Georgia as well. And you were coming fresh out of the rodeo in Houston, okay?

Fresh out of the rodeo Houston. You had no hours of sleep. You were celebrating the whole thing. Right into the lunch we were having before we went out to golf at this place. And the conversation was just like oh i'm shit you know i'll be lucky to get off a t-box oh okay you know that type of shit and he's got zero hours of sleep incredibly handsome looks terrible you know what i mean like this guy's been bags this guy's been through it obviously like the last 13 hours or so first home on this guy we did a uh it was a par three thing we did.

First hole I'm watching, almost hits a fucking hole in one. Come on. Hits the thing. Next hole, same thing. Next hole, same thing. Next hole, same thing. Next hole, same thing.

Next hole, same thing. Next hole, same thing. Next hole, same thing. Next hole, same thing. It was unbelievable. No sleep. The worst this guy's ever going to be was the best golfer on the golf course out of nowhere.

And he said, my dad ain't going to believe this. That's what you said. You're a sandbagger. You have the same game. You have the same plan every time you play with everybody. Or did I just happen to see the greatest Parker McCollum performance on a golf course ever? You quite literally saw the greatest I've ever hit the ball in my entire life.

God, you're so good. That'd be so much fun. It just so happened to be right after I told you that I'm not a good golfer, which I'm really not. I think I shot 90 both days at the little club down in Georgia yesterday and Monday. Had a couple birdies. I had some good holes, but I had some really bad holes. Are you a sports guy? Obviously you're athletic. I saw your movement with the golf club. You rode a horse out of the rodeo. I still think you should ride a horse

on to every stage that you're on and off of every stage that you're on because you can ride a horse and I can't. That'd be a cool thing that you would do, but I assume in the country world, it's different. You're an athlete. I assume you're a pretty athletic human being. How'd you get into singing?

When I found out that I wasn't as good of an athlete as I wanted to be, and I realized I could play guitar and sing better than all my buddies on the football team, I decided that that was the route for me. What age? I was probably sophomore in high school, 15, 16 years old. Were you supposed to be in like your family in music? How'd you get into music? You just picked up a guitar one day? No, my older brother's a really good songwriter. He'd been doing it since he was a little kid. I really just wanted to do what my big brother was doing. Had he been ice skating, I would probably be ice skating today happy or not in the nhl guy

got stabbed in the face last night 75 stitches that's real deal happened last night nhl i'm happy that face is singing and not getting stabbed by hockey skates uh so you go to nashville you have to out of texas you go to houston you go to nashville and then you kind of get put into like the country music i don't want to say machine but like into the factory over there is that something that's real or is that kind of blown out of proportion uh no it's it's very real i was lucky though i put out my first two albums as a solo artist on my own label um so i was selling a bunch of hell yeah dude hell yeah i was how much tickets and had a you know my own tour bus and my band was on salary all this stuff before i ever signed a record deal so when i

signed my deal the ball was kind of at my court. And I basically told them the only thing that I really cared about was having creative control. I wanted to do it how I do it and didn't want anything to change. Shout out Universal Records. They've kept their word on that 100% and they still allow me to run the show. Well, congrats to you. Not a lot of people are entrepreneurs these days or hustlers, which is what you would have to be to be able to put yourself in the position

that you're in to tell Universal fucking records, hey, I'm going to do this. Okay. I'm going to wear these two chains. I'm a gold chain cowboy. I'm going to wear really cool hats. Of course. I'm going to wear my Luchasi boots.

Luchasi boots. I'm going to wear those things. But to put yourself in that position is not easy. That is not an easy thing to do. So congrats on that. Having a band on salary, a lot of pressure. Congrats on that. Keeping the creative freedom.

Congrats on that. How come you don't make a song for me? Will you make a song for me? Everything, you know what I mean? And I guess, you know, it's obviously I have a beautiful bride. I got a baby on the way. That's right, sure. I certainly love love, don't I?

Who does? Big fan. Of course you do. We fucking love love. That's your avenue, though, huh? You are the love god, it feels like. We were listening to all your songs this morning to kind of refresh everybody. It's like, this guy is a heartthrob.

Yes, he is. Is that on purpose or no? It's just natural how your brain works. wrong yes he is is that is that the is that on purpose or no it's just natural how your brain works uh you know just always my favorite songs in country music growing up were sad love songs about everything going terribly wrong and uh now i'm i'm married as well i have a wonderful wife and uh um i still sit around most of the time when i'm playing guitar trying to write songs like that so it's it's kind of like uh sometimes I can turn it on and I can go there and write those songs and sometimes I try to and I fail miserably so well you want to just make us one one time that's just like

I got fucked up last night you know you do a lot of drinking songs you got a lot of drinking songs you know I got I got some drinking songs I got a couple on the city record coming out too but you know pat the only time that we've ever hung out i was fucked up so hey we had a pretty good time then hey i don't think i don't know what you expected going in there i didn't know what to expect going in there i don't i don't know if that's what i should have expected what ended up happening but man we had a good time out there, Parker. I have a – my story about you at dinner at that place is one of my favorite stories, and I will tell it forever and ever and ever, any chance that I get. What is it? You know, I was at this nice club down in Georgia.

You have to dress very nice for dinner. And Pat here forgot, I think, his entire suitcase, so he brought no clothes for dinner. uh and uh pat here forgot i think his entire suitcase so he brought no clothes for dinner true yeah uh when when mr manning had sent us a very specific itinerary instruction on what to bring and what to wear pat shows up with absolutely nothing yeah and uh but but what he did bring was a massive bag of some fun gummies for lack of a better term and he had them in his arm you can see he had him in his arm like this walking around the dinner just offering at this nice club in georgia passing them out and he gave me a couple uh that i thought were you know some low dose they were high dose i should have asked that my fault. Not my first rodeo. And, uh, and it, it got the best of me.

I lost that battle miserably and I thought I was going to die later that night. I didn't go here. Shout out Pat. Here, here, still here, here, here. Hey, you did, you pulled it off. Well, you know, cause you did tell me the next morning we had a conversation about what had happened and he goes, what was that dude? You know, give me one tell me the next morning we had a conversation about what had happened. And he goes, what was that, dude? You know, give me one of those. I was like, good time.

We had good time. It was a great night. You pulled it off. You were put into a situation that I don't know if I would have been able to do that you did. I've seen this guy grab guitar in living room. Okay. Okay. Singing exactly how it sounds like on Spotify. so you listen to him sing there's a lot of effort right it's a lot uh yeah it is a hey you're a you're already your voice is a grand one

right is that the proper i don't know music well enough how is that how it should be described loud yeah this guy's fucking loud it takes a lot of effort. It was really well done, though, on two hours of sleep while on cloud 55. I was right there with you, though. So, you know, if I had to sing, it wouldn't sound anywhere near as good as yours, but I would have battled for you. And ever since that moment, I was like, all right, Parker McCollum, cool dude. I think I even told the boys once I got back to my room where there was maybe a phone I was allowed to use. I said, hey, boys, Parker park will call them cool fucking guy let's talk about this album coming out may 12th

hey never enough is that never enough good times never enough edibles never enough whiskey never enough beats to nod your head to all right never enough like oh i'm not enough what what do we got coming in and did you write this song and what's the process to get to this album? And what's the process to get here? I wrote all the songs but one. It's my first time cutting an outside song in two – I think I didn't have an outside song on my last record. So I chose to do one of this record.

Wrote all the other songs. You know, it's kind of a crazy process when you tour as much as i do you're kind of just sitting in studio time you know where you you know here and there and kind of piecing things together um but this record i mean i think it's the best collection of songs i've put together so far in my career but um it's uh the never enough thing kind of kind of comes from everything you mentioned and then everything you didn't mention. Kind of feel like you never can work enough.

You know, no matter how much you do, it's never enough. You climb one mountain, you know, that you thought you would never be able to climb and all of a sudden you're at the top of it and the only thing you do is look up at the next mountain that you want to climb and it seems like, you know, no matter what it is, material things or accolades or awards or whatever you always want more and it's never enough i see a lot of them hanging behind you i assume another one's coming i love hearing that you've only taken one song from somebody else what do you gotta do you gotta have a lot of trust in that human you gotta like that human

why is it that you just because of your creative control i guess you just kind of want your voice to be heard because isn't it very normal in country music because what was that song Nick you remember I was listening to it it was Kenny Chesney it was about life obviously it was a good one trip around the sun yeah trip around the sun might have been what it was and I was watching an award show and that song won like an award and I was like hell yeah I'm happy it did go that's a good song and Kenny gets up looks like he's still sitting but he gets up. He starts walking his way to the stage or whatever. And then they're like, this song was written by,

and they had 70 fucking people on it. I'm like, well, whose story was I listening to? I didn't know whose brain I wanted to say thank you to for how great it was. Feels like that's how your business operates. You do not operate that way. I write a lot of songs with my friends. Co-writing is something I didn't do for a long time. I had never really done it until I signed my record deal,

and I was kind of jaded towards it for a while. But now I really enjoy it just because now I'm just hanging out with the best songwriters in the world that have written some of my favorite songs in the history of country music, and they over to my house and and want to write songs with me it's kind of cool and it gets me excited about it but um the outside song man it's think it's called things i never told you and my buddy taylor phillips texted it to me one day and i listened to it one time and there's a line in it that said i had a playboy stashed in a johnny cash lp sleeve in my room and that was a line line I said, damn, I wish I had written that.

I'm going to sing the shit out of that song. I love that. I love the little piecing it together. I also like the fact that you said, yeah, now the greatest songwriters in the world just come to my house. What are you guys doing? Smoking dope? We got instrumentals in the back. We got a bunch of guitars.

We got whiskey. How does one of those writing sessions go? How long are they? They can be two hours. They can be all day. But usually I'm the only one that's probably smoking something. Not always. Most of the time that's the case.

But, you know, everybody kind of has their vice. You know, they usually supply your own vice whatever whatever you need to write songs you're kind of expected to bring it and then uh if you don't there's probably some of whatever you want already there ty schmidt has a question for you parker yeah parker uh i think i read that george straight was uh one of like your big inspirations growing up and obviously like when you're going to perform in concert everyone's there to hear your music and and all that kind of stuff but it seems like you know the more concerts i go to like the things that people really remember are the covers how do you choose uh like what covers you're going to do especially when you're talking about how you want so much creative control like

i assume that's kind of difficult kind of landed and you know when you have an unbelievable voice i assume you're just like well fuck i can i can cover any of these songs like how do you go about that process and decide which covers you're actually going to sing uh we don't do any covers wow what we have live shows yeah live shows yeah live shows no covers right now on this on this tour um and i don't think you know we would do like uh dwight yokum's version of suspicious minds last year on tour and uh the kids just did not know it and then they would message me after the show saying man i love your new song suspicious minds but i do that's an elvis song that dwight yokum covered and we do his verse so it just didn't connect so um they they really it's every now and then we'll throw

one in there but it's super rare for us i'll watch the voice or any of these things you got picked the right song you do that's right hey song selection is a big fucking deal parker okay it's a big deal what's uh what are you doing you're doing amphitheaters arenas what are we uh where where where are we right now in the career? Because we look at streaming numbers. Hilarious. Hilarious. And how many shows a year? Well, I played about 130 last year. I'll only do about 95 this year, which is significantly less for me.

But it's really, I mean, that's the American dream, right? Work less, make more money. Yes. But we do quite a few arenas um we do some big amphitheaters we got a show in dallas coming up it's that'll sell out 20 000 people oh you're doing a fucking stadium yeah yeah we do we'll do well those are with wallen the stadium shows are opening up for wallen good move hey you like you guys get along you and uh morgan he seems to be on top of the world he's the guy right now in the country music world yeah he's he's the guy i don't know

if anybody will ever do what he's doing again why um unprecedented what uh i don't even know if you i mean the the numbers and the you know you to be 30 years old i think he's 29 or 30 and selling out two nights at MetLife Stadium and whatever the Washington football team's called now, their stadium. We're playing there with them. We're playing Wrigley Field with them. We're playing Fenway Park with them.

They'll all sell out, 40,000, 50,000 people. They're the commanders. The commanders, yes. Wake up. You're a big NFL guy, right, aren't you? A big NFL guy. Loves the Texans. Really? Loves the Texans.

That sucks. Number two overall pick, Parker. Okay. Here we go. We're going to get better this year. If I had to guess, whoever we draft with that second pick probably won't have a great career, and whoever goes first and third will probably be

Hall of Famers. Absolutely miserable. That's fantastic. Tony has a question for you. Parker, I feel like we're sitting on a big money idea. We open up a bar in Nashville. We call it Hell of a Year so people can stumble out. They said we had Hell of a Year

in there. Boom. Spent a year in Hell of a Year last night. All the artists are doing it. What do you think? If people would really spend an entire year in there, I would say there's no way it could fail. Just mathematically thinking off the top of my head, if you're in there for a year, you're going to have to pay for a lot more stuff than just an evening.

Agreed. I think that's pretty genius. But, you know, I live in – I'm actually leaving Nashville this weekend. And I have a house here in Texas. I'm moving back to my house in Texas full time. That's the goal, right? Come to Nashville. It's like college, university, do your thing.

Boom, we're moving back to Texas. Good for you. Hell, yeah. Congratulations. We're going to miss you in Nashville, though. We're opening a bar in hell of a month. Hell of a month. Just need them for one month.

Connor has a question for you. Parker? Yeah, Parker. Obviously, it has been a hell of a year for you. And with the new album coming out, Never Enough, it's good to know that you ain't going nowhere. But with all the traveling and touring that you do, is it hard for loved ones to get a handle on you?

Because I assume there's a lot of people out there that are trying to be loved touring that you do is it hard for loved ones to get a handle on you you know because i assume there's a lot of people out there that are you know trying to be loved by you and you're pretty hard because in the end you're really just kind of living like a cowboy well done anytime i get hounded in the airport or anywhere or anywhere that's usually how they they approach me is by saying all my song titles. That's spot on. Hey, Mark. Well done. But, man, the travel thing gets kind of a grind, you know,

and at the same time you're so used to it. I mean, I'm sure Pat understands it. Through an NFL season, I mean, you see your house for like three hours for those 16, 17, 18 weeks. And it's kind of the same way for me, but it's just, you know, 47, 48 weeks out of the year. You know, you come home on Sunday. You might come home on Sunday, but you're leaving on Wednesday night immediately. There's actually a lot of similarities. I always make quite a few comparisons between professional sports and the music business.

It's just, I mean, if you're playing a professional sport, you're in the entertainment industry. I mean, you 100% are. And you have to perform, and you've got to be on, and there's no excuses. How long do you play? How long do you play for? We usually do about an hour and a half. Nice. What do you do?

I'm not giving it away, I guess. Yeah, go see a show. Yeah, I was going to say, well, what's the order? What's the order and what should we do? Because there's a strategy. I assume you've been on the road a long time grinding. You got early, got to play a banger, right? Don't you get to get them there?

And then. Come out with a banger. Come out with a banger heavy. Banger heavy. And then you got to leave a couple in the chamber right for the end of the night so right isn't that a balance yeah you know i've been really lucky i've had um uh a few number ones now and then but i've had songs that you know are higher streamed and more popular than my number ones so we have quite a few hits in our in our uh set so it's actually nowadays it's it's

it's pretty nice you can kind of you can throw some deep cuts in there every now and then but it's kind of nice to just play hit and then another hit and then another hit did you murder that deer behind you or no i murdered that deer i did with my bow and arrow oh did you have that did we have camo on? Did we have face paint on? Were we hanging out a blind? You can watch the hunt on YouTube, actually. Oh, you're a content creator?

You're an internet hunter? No, no. I think I've done it twice. I'm about to sign a deal with a bow company here in a few weeks. I'll have to do a couple hun the bow company here in a few weeks and uh i'll have to do some a couple hunts a year on camera so congrats dude let's go yeah lucchese boots a bow company moving back to texas that's right geez you're gonna be the face of fucking texas you're gonna be texas's finest yeah you do fishing as well or just hunting i love to fish i don't uh i don't have

the time to fish throughout the year actually block off all of the month of november and three weeks in december just to hunt um but it's like the prime time fishing throughout the year i'm usually typically on the road so i don't get to fish as much as i'd like pac-man jones has a question for you barker i got a lot of big friends down there any big features on this new album that's coming out uh no features on my record i did just do a song with diplo that's supposed to be coming out oh oh edm fucking diplo dude jeez and then uh i just did a song um with a young girl who's going crazy blowing blowing up on TikTok and stuff right now. And she sent me this song about Texas and asked me to sing on it. And I was kind of blown away at how good the song was.

And so I was out in El Paso. I had some Lou Casey meetings out there last week. And then we played that arena out there. And so she, well, I guess what I did originally, she didn't like. She's like, well, you redo it. So I'm going to do a studio out there in the back though and recut it. And I don't know, maybe she hates it.

Maybe she loves it. But I think we'll see the light of day. Hold on. What genre of music? She's like a pop rapper singer. Incredibly talented. Phenomenal voice. She's really young.

She's like basically still a kid. But she's going crazy on the internet right now and so, so talented. So I had never met her. Her label reached out to my label, said, you know, would Parker want to be on this song? And I listened to the song and loved it. What about Diplo? You and him just sandbagging out there, just having a good time,

and he was like, oh, I got this cool beat. And you're like, oh, I can sing shit over that. Is it a techno song? When are we going to hear that? No, it's not really. It sounds like if you took one of my songs and put Diplo's spin on it. Great. I thought it was going to be not good at all, but it actually turned out.

I was really surprised at how well it turned out. He's playing stagecoach, and I'm playing stagecoach, I think on the same day in a couple weeks. So there's some talk about us debuting the song at stagecoach. I haven't had any confirmation. Breaking news. Breaking news. Diplo, Parker McCollum debuting a song at stagecoach a couple weeks.

Let's go. No confirmation on that here on the Pat and Max show. Breaking news. Yep. Confirmed. Diplo and Parker are going to be out in the middle of a desert in California, and they are going to debut a new song. That's going to be awesome.

Thank you for that piece of information there, Parker. We're excited to hear that. We're pumped to hear that. I'm thankful you stopped by to chat with us, brother. I hope I can see you again sometime. 48 weeks on the road, that's like WWE. You always compare professional athletics, you should think about WWE. It seems like that's what you're doing, but you're performing 48 weeks on the road That's like WWE Yeah You always compare like Professional athletics

You should think about WWE It seems like that's what you're doing But you're performing For 90 minutes That's a lot Thursday, Friday, Saturday Most of the time

Sometimes Sunday Sometimes Wednesday You're a grinder buddy Congrats on all the success Can't wait to hear Never Enough Thank you It's been a

It's been a Lifelong dream of mine To be on Pat McAfee's show, so I'm glad I checked out of my bucket list. All right, fuck off, dude. Ladies and gentlemen, Parker McCall. That was so genuine. No, no, no, no, no. It's all right.

No, we appreciate you, man. You're welcome back anytime. We can't wait for May 12th. We got a countdown, actually. Hell yeah. May 12th. It's right over here in the office. Never Enough coming out.

Never enough mountains to climb. That's right. Never enough whiskey to in the office. Never enough coming out. Never enough mountains to climb. Never enough whiskey to drink. Never enough love, I think. Is that what it is? Did we just guess it? No spoiler. That's pretty close. How many singles are coming off of this album, do you think? Do you have to prepare for that?

Which one to release it all by themselves? Do you know that before you release it? No, I have no idea. I let the label decide what they want singles to be, so I got to sing them regardless. True. Ladies and gentlemen, Parker McCollum. Yeah, Parker!

He's a Texans fan. He's miserable. Yeah, that sucks. And I think the Texans are a great – thank you to Parker for his time. Good luck, Parker. Thank you, Parker. He was an unbelievable golfer. He looks exactly like Phillip Rivers. Does he? I didn't even think about that. Thank you, Parker. He was an unbelievable golfer. He looks exactly like Phillip Rivers.

Does he? I didn't even think about that. He's way bigger. That's all I could think about for the last 20 minutes. Potentially more athletic, too. Phillip Rivers, hell of a quarterback. Hell of a quarterback. Let's not get crazy.

He can throw the hell of a pitch in. He can catch it. He's an incredible competitor. I think those things would say he's a better athlete. But I think just physically, body, running, moving. Parker was a dog. Oh, yeah. I saw that vein.

I saw how vast he is. Yeah, I don't know what he's doing. He's working out every day. I think he was actually on a goddamn ranch as a kid. Yeah. Light ranching? Full ranching? I think he's an actual light ranching.

I think he's an actual rancher. Yeah. Every summer, he said, on his grandpappy's ranch. So he's a hunter. He's handsome. A rancher. And he gets creative control for his songs. He's living the Texas country life.

Hell yeah, Parker. I love when EDM and country mixes together. Morgan Wallen actually did one that was awesome. I can't remember who did it. Kane Brown, Marshmello, I believe they have one. Zach Brown and Avicii did one. Zach Brown and Avicii did one. Zach Brown and Avicii was good. Broken Arrows, I think. Tim McGraw and Nelly back in the day.

Oh, yeah. That one was a banger. The Texans thing, too. Whoever they draft as a bust, he can actually blame the Colts for that. Why? Because of that Week 17 or Week 18 win over the Colts right before the clock ticked to zero. They would have had the number one pick if they just lost.

What was his deal with the whole, it's been my lifelong dream to come on there. We get it, Parker. We get it. Okay. He's just bullshitting. I'm happy for him. He's a good dude, man. He is a self-critic boy.

Love that. He does not like or think anything that he did was good. He crushed it in that living room, and then the guitar went over to somebody else who had a top five song at the time, and then that person sang that song. Wild situation that I should never be in ever again, but probably won't ever be in again. But when I was in it, I was like,

this is a movie that's happening in front of me. We go over, you know, I go over to the kitchen, grab a drink, and I'm going to make a little bit more whiskey. The person that was hosting the event owned the whiskey, so I was actually drinking the house's whiskey that's cool at the place that i was at delicious diet coke in there oh my god i'm living this dude this zombie comes walking up to me incredibly handsome and i guess he was really high now i'm learning that he oh yeah really high i'm like you fucking killed that oh my. Because he sings loud. It's not like a

mumbling. It's not like a casual like, hey, he is like a project voice. That thing was echoing around the entire course that we were on. Not one flub and not one break of the whole thing. I've seen how much this guy drank and I've seen how much this guy

had eaten and I know how long he'd been up it was phenomenal so i like wanted to tell him like hey that was really fucking good like i don't know what people are supposed to do in that particular situation and i don't want to knock your talent or anything and make this is not to be offensive at all that was fucking unbelievable what you just did right there i missed and he started labeling like a bunch of words in email i'm like what is your deal dude get the fuck away from me, bro. Get the guitar again.

So I think he's like, that's why he's such a hard worker. He probably assumes he's never enough. Speaking of never enough, we've got a list here. I wanted to do... Does that sound okay? I got these new earpieces on. I wanted to do something. These are cool. Can't even tell you have earpieces. I got these new earpieces on. I wanted to do something.

These are cool. Can't even tell you have earpieces. I got earpieces on right now. What? How? There's an earpiece in my ear right now. You see that? Boom. Chuck Pagano sent it to me.

I can barely see it. Anthony Calhoun, Wish TV. How are you, Chuck? Doesn't sound as good as the bigger earpieces. Oh, okay. That's a bummer. Yeah, no bass really, but I can hear. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks sweet. It does look like I got nothing. It looks like I got the, but I can hear. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks sweet. It does look like I got nothing. It looks like I got like the updated hearing aids. Yep. You know what I mean? That mic just a little sounds a little off. Yeah, right?

Just a little. Now that you've talked more, it does sound a little off. A little cloudy? Yeah. I think it's picking up us too, and now I'm hearing a very... Yep. Okay, now it's getting better. How about mine?

Now you sound better. Sound better. Test one, two, one, two. Pac-Man, can you hear me? Sound good to me. Okay, Pac-Man, let's go to your zone mine? Now you sound better. Sound better. Test 1-2-1-2. Pac-Man, can you hear me? Sound good to me. Okay, Pac-Man, that's good ears on, Pac. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, we are in draft season.

We are just eight days away from the NFL draft. The first round kicks off next Thursday, the 27th, right here, youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show for our fourth annual, fourth annual, fourth annual, fourth annual draft spectacular. It should be a great night. It'll be a blast. We'll see dreams come true. But what we need to remember, while these players are getting drafted and dreams are

coming true, that the NFL's hard. That's right. The NFL's not easy. It's not. Some of these dudes look like absolute superstars, freaks, men that we have never seen before. Some people are being described as, and they have yet to step foot onto an NFLfl football field everybody calls some people a bust that don't do well sure i think that's a little bit rude what's the bus well when expectation levels are and they perform at you see they bust into a record book that nobody wants to be a part of a bad one i think the word

bust is a little bit negative it is because that is acting like the n is easy. That is acting like what you accomplished before you got in the NFL actually matters once you get into the NFL when you're competing against the generation before you, the generation before them, the generation before them, and the generation before them, and all the superstars from the entire fucking crew. It is not easy to make it in the NFL.

So when you hear a name called a second overall pick, first overall pick, 30th overall pick, 22nd overall pick, and teams think that their franchise is going to change immediately because this quarterback is going to come in here and make magic, I say stats don't say that's true. We actually had to put together a list, and I don't like doing this. Pac-Man, I don't like pointing out negatives for players. I'm a pro player guy.

Love players, seeing good stuff in players and telling good stories about players, not bad stories. Negativity's too easy. You could bury people all day and get numbers on the internet and numbers on TV. We choose not to do that. We choose to be super positive, but to protect this next generation of NFLers, we need to set an expectation level at a reality level, which is the fact that a lot of these guys are going to fucking suck. Oh, yeah, most of them.

That kid drafts. A lot of these guys are going to suck. Here's 10 that we pieced together, Tone Diggs and I, about guys that were drafted as quarterbacks to go in the NFL in the first round, and they were supposed to be franchise changers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And guess what they were?

Not. Us. Let's start at the top, Jamarcus Russell. Jamarcus Russell, obviously, out of LSU. This dude was a staggering six-foot-something. He was obviously heavy, had a big body. He was a man that didn't know his team from the other team and threw a lot of different interceptions.

At one point when he was at LSU coming out of college into the NFL, he was on his knee, threw the ball 65, 70 yards. This dude's arm talent is next level. He showed up at an interview driving a Cadillac Escalade on 30-inch rims. Wow. 30s. 30s. I didn't know it was possible. The issue was he never watched film.

People wondered why did he never watch film. Well, because he could throw a ball 70 yards on one knee, and he had 30-inch rims before he even got into the NFL draft. Does that mean that he was set up for failure? No, no. He failed himself. But the NFL is really hard. It's not easy to be a great quarterback in the NFL.

Jamarcus Russell proved that time and time again. Overall stats, three years, 7-18 as a quarterback starter, 18 touchdowns in total, 23 interceptions. Obviously, Jamarcus Russell, probably an incredible guy. I don't know him personally. Not the way his NFL career was supposed

to go and everybody else's thoughts, but let's remember if Jamarcus Russell was to play football with you, he'd beat the fuck out of you. so remember that whenever you're saying what you're saying that's me included another guy let's go down to houston parker mccollum's team when he gets heartbroken about what his team chooses to do here's david carr is that name familiar yes it is because that guy's brother just signed with the new orleans saints for 400 million dollars yeah now granted lamar jackson's asking for way too much, but this man was supposed to change the game for the Houston Texans,

and he did a lot of boom, that right there, throwing it to the other team. David Carr, 10 years, started five of them, 23 and 56 as a starter, 65 touchdowns, 71 interceptions, was sacked 76 times in his first year. Which is a stat that needs to be talked about because a lot of the situations that these quarterbacks are going to, bad. Now, is anything going to be able to help you throwing into a defensive meeting room like this one right here? No. But I assume the team that he went to was not that great. The organization that he went to was not that great.

And his football play ended up being not that great. No, actually, that was the expansion draft. First year the team existed. Damn. They didn't have anything figured out. No chance. They didn't even know how to do lunch. Let's go to another man.

This guy was drafted out of North Dakota State. We're the Philadelphia Eagles. Then he would go on to join the Indianapolis Colts. And on one particular play against Aaron Donald, he would sprain both of his fucking ankles while attempting to throw an interception. That's Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz obviously we all remember when he came into the draft.

Was it going to be him or Goff? Him or Goff. Now, not that we're going to get crazy about Goff. Did lead the team to a Super Bowl. That team much better, I guess. And Carson Wentz technically has a Super Bowl ring because of what happened after he left the Philadelphia Eagles. But his career is now over. Pretty much.

Not on a team. He's on his third team. Out of his third team. Overall stats, 46-45-1. 151 touchdowns, 66 interceptions. I think people would say this is a success story, but he also has that on his film. Let's go to the next. Jake Locker.

Remember this fucking guy out of Washington? He wears purple. It is fourth quarter against division rival. Five minutes left. There's Darius J. Butler. Picking him off. Now, obviously, with the score being as close as it was, this is a one-score game. He didn't play that terrible, but he just wasn't able to get the job done in the biggest moment against us on a

very regular basis because we had that fucking guy and he didn't. Joe LaFed just got tossed over there. Jake Locker was the number eight overall pick, top ten quarterback in the NFL. Started 23 games, 9-14. Not great.

But if Jake Locker was to play pickup football with you, with you, with you, with me, not with Pac. They have done that. I think he's picked them off. He would beat us all. But he stunk as an NFL quarterback because the NFL is hard. Next one. This guy won a fucking Heisman.

Hell yeah. He sat in the draft room for how long? I'll tell you. Number 22 overall pick. Second quarter, 20 to nothing. Who's that? Adam Pac-Man Jones. Adam Pac-Man Jones.

High step into the sideline to celebrate a pick. They're up 20 to nothing over Johnny Manziel in the Cleveland Browns in the second quarter. Now, I don't know what Pac-Man saw here. Pac, what did you see? A late throw. Just a late throw. Really late. Tried to make a play.

He did that thing whenever he was in college to Alabama and numerous other people and was able to throw touchdowns and highlight reels. But instead, what happened was a former number six overall pick who's still in the NFL, who knows football better than you do, boom, is sitting right there and starts to drive at the half yard line. Pat, why not get the ball in the end zone? Get that thing a touch back. That would have been good. It could always get better, I guess.

It could always get better. This guy, good player. Great player. If he was to play pickup football with you, he would fucking beat you. Rip it up. But instead, two and six record, only played in eight games. Seven touchdowns, seven interceptions. Eight games.

This guy right here. Eight starters. Eight starts. And that happens. Now, did he get an opportunity to fully display his skill set? Probably not. No. He has come out and said that he did not give a fuck enough, though.

Has not studied enough film, was not in there early enough, was not doing all that. He's a great football player, but the NFL is hard. Here's another guy that learned this. This guy had a fucking hot tub in his dorm room. This dude was a superstar at UCLA. He was known as the Rosen one. This time, all he

did was throw a completion to the Slaymaker for six as an Arizona Cardinals. Only their one year. Wow. Only their one year. Top ten pick. One year with the Cardinals. Why?

That's crazy. He would go on to start 16 games in total. 3-13 record. 3-13 record. 12 touchdowns, 21 interceptions. That was one of them. There was 20 others that had happened. Once again, though, Josh Rosen, 21 interceptions. That was one of them. There was 20 others that had happened. Once again, though, Josh Rosen, good at football. The NFL is hard. Here's another guy,

number three overall pick. Holy shit, out of USC. Sam Darnold. This guy has so many different arm angles. He's a baller. First throw of his career. Oh, no. Boom. Pick six. How you doing? Keep it moving. That was his introduction to the NFL. Then you remember on Monday Night Football, they fucking killed him. This guy's seeing ghosts. Stinks. Had to play against Bill Belichick. Sam Darnold might have been a guy, might be a guy for the Niners,

might have been a guy for the Carolina Panthers at the end of the year. Now, granted, hasn't played in any very meaningful games, has not won a lot of games. Overall record of 21 and 34. Ooh. Not great. 61 touchdowns, 55 interceptions. Not Sam Darnold's fault entirely.

If he was to play football with you, he'd be better than you. But once again, the NFL is hard. This guy, married to a lady who is a prominent role in the football world. Christian Ponder, number 12 overall pick by the Minnesota Vikings out of FSU. He'd play for three years. He'd be 14, 21, and one. 38 touchdowns, 36 interceptions. Next quarterbacks taken after he was drafted, number 12, Andy Dalton, and then obviously Colin Kaepernick. So those two would have a lot more success, obviously, than Christian Ponder. And people would say Christian Ponder's a bust.

I say that's a little bit negative. I think Christian Ponder's a great football player. But the NFL is hard. Toby Gerhardt, shout out. He's on that field.

Shout out to Toby Gerhardt. Shout out to the Detroit Lions getting in this game. Yeah. Because they've had more than a few of these. Joey Harrington out of Oregon.

This dude was up there in Oregon in a beautiful town and Teddy Bruschi said, thank you very much. I weigh 265 pounds and I just got a pick six with a cowboy collar because we rope-a-doped you into throwing that easy, easy

ball. Six years in the NFL. Oof. 26 and 50. Holy shit, man. He's the number three overall pick in the 2002 draft 79 touchdowns 85 interceptions Once again we have to remember

Joey Harrington if he's throwing 7 on 7 against you Or your friends He's picking you guys apart But when other people that play football for a living are on the field It makes the NFL hard For able leading the. And the most recent one, I think people will always talk about this, and it's certainly going to become a much more interesting situation

as Aaron Rodgers joins the scene. Sure. For sure. There's a dude out of BYU who's currently a quarterback for the New York Jets. His name's Zach Wilson. And against this particular Patriots team, he just gives them the ball all the time. And that's not an easy defense play against.

Obviously, on the other sideline, not this one. This is the Jets sideline. On the other sideline, there's an old fuck that's just wandering who knows everything about football. His name's Bill Belichick. He is on the defensive side of the ball. He is obviously going to try to confuse the shit out of these young quarterbacks. He's been making Zach Wilson look like a rookie for every year Zach Wilson is in the NFL.

That is not Zach Wilson's fault. Zach Wilson might have football talent. Zach Wilson might be good at football. Is his team good? Well, they're saying to get Aaron Rodgers, they'll be great. Is the teams he played against good? Yes, but also the NFL is hard. So we're going to see a lot of busts on next Thursday night.

Big time. Yeah. In the fourth annual Draft Spectacular, we're going to be watching real time the next name that's going to be added to this particular low light reel. It's not their fault. The NFL is hard. What a time. I didn't like doing that.

No. Didn't like showing low lights. Didn't like showing low lights But I feel like it is our duty To let people know What you're watching next Thursday night Dreams coming true Money being made Franchises

Potentially changing But what is most likely Is that that person's gonna suck And they're gonna be a let down And the town's gonna hate them But what is most likely is that that person's going to suck. And they're going to be a letdown. And the town's going to hate them. And they're going to call them a waste of laundry detergent. And they're never going to amount to anything.

And they'll have to go have conversations about that for the rest of their lives. Even though they were better than everybody they played college football with. Their friends that they played college football with, who had highlights in college football that never made it to the NFL, have a better memory of football than the people that go in the NFL and just get fucking cooked and have to be regarded as a bust this entire time. But once again, it is not their fault. No.

Not at all. The NFL is hard. It doesn't get talked about enough. Yeah, to that point too, and that's why so many second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth rounders, seventh rounders like yourself turn out because once you get there, it's more so the work you put in once you're in the building, and sometimes that just doesn't correlate. Good situations.

Who can figure it out? Who has the right mentality? Who doesn't? Coaching. Who doesn't have the same ability that they had in college because the game's vastly different? I mean, there's just so many different things that go into it, and everybody just assumes if you're a first-rounder,

you're going to be great. It's got to be the right situation, too. Hell, yeah. Got to have the people around you. I love Dallas, but as far as defensive-wise, it wasn't the best situation for me. I played okay. I ain't played like I played normally,

and people called me a bust, but it just wasn't the right situation. When I went to Cincinnati, the defense fit me a little better playing in the 4-3, playing a lot more man coverage and not playing match coverage. It's got a lot to do with what situation

you're in also, too. So many things play into it all. What we're saying is we're going to see 25 busts. 25 busts. If we want to go into what busts are, we're probably going to see 25 busts. Yeah. 25 busts. Legitimately. If we want to go into what busts are, we're probably going to see 24 to 25 of them next Thursday. And we did – that was since 2000.

That was quarterbacks since 2000. The list would be a lot longer if it was earlier than that. And the list was a lot longer. We whittled that thing down for probably like 25 to 10 just because we don't have the fucking time. There's a lot of busts out there. A ton of them. And any and anytime you say that you just kind of be like oh this guy stinks of football it's like better football than you uh better football than all their friends but the nfl is not an easy place just to fucking make a living it's not an easy place to figure out let alone

like locker room dynamics politics money and off the stuff. That all gets added into it. Just the level of skill, though, that is at every fucking position. At college, even whenever you're playing in the SEC or the Big Ten or any of these great conferences, there's at least one or two holes on every single team somewhere. Like, hey, that guy, great player. Yeah, he's in the SEC. He's a college player.

But also, we can get that guy we're gonna attack that in the nfl there might be some young guys that suck or some guys that don't have it figured out but at every position it's all-star yeah it's the all this is all-star game from the last 20 fucking seasons of college football it is a difficult thing to figure out and we have to keep that in mind well and in terms of expectations like you you see what brandon bean just said where they asked him about like his first round grades he's like i'll be honest with you i'm not going to say the exact number he's like but we don't have very many first round grades on our board but like no one gives a shit about that you know like fans and stuff like that like if you get if you're the 13th overall pick but a team actually had like oh this

guy is actually probably like a mid-second rounder like fans don't give a shit about that it's like hey you were the 12th overall pick. You better be coming in and making waves immediately. Jamarcus Russell, number one overall. David Carr, number one overall. Carson Wentz, number two overall. Jake Locker, number eight overall. People are talking about the number eight pick with the Raiders having it.

Maybe having a quarterback. Maybe somebody trades up there. Eighth overall, pretty high. Oh, yeah. That's very, very high. Did not work out. These are all probably good people. I do yeah. That's very, very high. Did not work out. These are all probably good people. I do not know these people, by the way.

Manziel, 22. Rosen was top 10. Oh, yeah. He was top 10 pick. Rosen. Josh Rosen was top 10 pick. He's on five different teams. Probably a good guy.

Was a guy at UCLA. Yeah. Obviously, they called him the Rosen one. Everybody was pumped up about it. Three and 13 as a starter in the NFL. 3-13. I hate that we have to do this. I hate that we have to say that, but this is the reality of the fucking situation.

That Rosen and Darnold draft, well, Darnold got taken before Josh Allen and Lamar. Rosen got taken before Lamar in that same draft, so it's like there was other guys, too, that these teams could have had. What are you saying, Pac? I was picking back off what Ty was saying. You got to realize, we get paid to play.

Because if your ass don't do your job, somebody else is coming in to do your job. Christian Ponder, number 12 overall. Joey Harrington, number three overall. Oh, yeah. High pick. Zach Wilson, number two overall. Jeez, Luis. They're getting money.

They're getting paid. They made a living in the NFL. But they are going to have to answer questions forever about, hey, why didn't it work out? Why didn't it work? Some asshole, when they're golfing, is going to say, who's that Joey Harrington? Bust, bust.

It's like Joey Harrington, I assume, would love to say, you know how fucking hard it is to just win in the NFL? People see Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, these people that are able to figure it out. And they're like, holy fuck, Joey Burrow. That was easy for him to do. It's like, these are aliens, bro. There is not a lot of those types of people out there. In Lions fans'

eyes, Joey Harrington is the bust. Eric Ebron was a bust, but no, it is Joey Harrington every single time. And the year before he gets drafted, he's on the cover of NCAA Football 2002. Living his best fucking life. Think about how awesome his life was because of how good he was

at football. Then Joey Harrington goes on to have a 26-50 record. You think he loves football? I don't think so. And let's assume it wasn't his fault. We know it's the Lions. We know what they do. Let's assume that there was a lot of things that led to that. And that's because the NFL

is hard he's a college football national champion and a superbowl champion covet survivor father of 10 ladies and gentlemen aj hawk hey jay the nfl is hard bro i think people forget that i saw the little segment it's good it's good to know yeah hey you could uh you can say whatever you want sit there yell at your screens oh this guy sucks he's terrible but yeah he'll run circles around you yeah see what which is kind of you know we wanted to piece something together with this NFL film relationship that we still have I think I don't know how long it'll be but this NFL film I mean hopefully it's been great to be able to show footage on this particular program we actually can't do business with with one particular company until they get confirmation from the NFL that we're allowed to have footage on our show.

So that's I mean, it is not easy to get NFL footage. So we're very happy to have NFL footage. I thought to myself, what can we use NFL footage for going into the draft that maybe hasn't been used? into the draft that maybe hasn't been used it's like we should articulate that there's probably 24 guys that are going to draft the next thursday aj that aren't going to be good football players in the nfl but in real life great football players it just happens to be that the nfl is very difficult not only on the field but off the field aj your thoughts on this entire take pal yeah i think some people are underachievers some people are underachievers. Some people are overachievers. But especially the quarterback position, that position more than any on the whole field.

Sprang both his ankles right there. That was an amazing feat. Amazing physical feat. Well, two feet. Yeah. But think about the quarterback position. So much is dependent on where you go, who your offensive coordinator is, who your head coach is, what your O-line is like,

what your weapons are like around you. And do they give you time to kind of develop and get through some of those some of the early roads that at times can be tough for quarterbacks and do you stink uh from an nfl football standpoint exactly like for instance some people just can't read defense johnny manziel was able to do this in college literally every single week it was why he was must see television impact man all he thought to himself is as fuck this, this guy's going to get out of the pocket and he's going to throw a loose ball. And he did. And he picked it off. And they're up 20-0

in the first quarter, or the second quarter. I assume there's a lot more where this came from. But once again, Johnny Manziel, great football player. If he was to go play pickup football, would beat the shit out of you at pickup football. Ends up 2-6. 2-6. That's his NFL record. eight games eight games that's

that's crazy two years seven touchdowns seven he's tough as hell i don't know pack might not remember we played johnny manziel in cincinnati one of our dns retraced and hit johnny when he was scrambling one time and i was like running next to it trying to cover and do whatever and i almost like jumped it was such a big hit john and Johnny just popped right up. It was pretty impressive. You were startled. Yes, it startled me. It was one of those kind of hits. He's definitely a tough son of a bitch.

He's a dog. Yes. Okay. That doesn't relay, I guess, into all of the things as being a good quarterback. But as a person, I love him as a person. You know, everything got to go right. I don't know if he had enough tools up there. I don't know if he had the right coaches.

AJ remembered that meeting. We knew he was going to get us a couple of them. That's what I was about to say. Is that kind of how you guys feel whenever you're taking on a rookie quarterback like Anthony Richardson? Dan Orlovsky said yesterday he's the number two overall guy coming into this draft. Dan Orlovsky said he has to play. He's only played 13 games.

You got to play him early. As a corner going against him, you're probably thinking to yourself, okay, we're probably going to get at least one or two opportunities here from this guy. Yeah, because, and I'm not trying to. No, Anthony Richards, you get it. But the disguise in the NFL is so hard if you're not really like the first one at the stadium and the last one to leave to pick this shit up. Because these coaches are staying there literally sleeping on cots in the

fucking office, trying to figure out a way to make you misdirect think and make you check the ball down and throw it where we want you to throw the ball. And a lot of these guys can't pick up the quick, the quick, the quick adjustment to this, the disguise or look like we're in a zero blitz because we're mugging the A-gaps and we're definitely not in the zero blitz because the corners are playing off, but we are time the ball snap, everybody getting to the spot.

And they look like zero, but it's really a cover two. So that's the hard part, I think, as far as quarterback. You know, Manziel came from that five wide, no huddle. That shit don't really relate to the NFL game. Patrick Mahomes is able to do it. Well, Patrick Mahomes is able to do it because he has an unbelievable coordinator. That's first and foremost. Second of all, his ass can throw the ball anywhere.

As you can see, his first couple of years, he couldn't read the fucking defense. He didn't even start, I don't think, the first two years, did he? First year. First year, you're not Alex Smith. He had a chance to be with the best offensive coordinator in the league. So his flaws can be hidden a lot more than when Manziel was up in Cleveland. So the coach of Manziel Cleveland, bald-headed guy, was with the Packers, defense coordinator.

Petten? Mike Petten was the head coach. I remember watching. Manziel had a good game, like a good first half. He had a great first half. He was doing a lot of shit. He was doing Manziel shit. He was being successful.

And Petten gave an interview at halftime. He was like, quarterback needs to stay. Doesn't know what he's doing. And it was like, this is the best this guy's looked. And the head coach's first thing was like, this guy needs to start playing much differently. It's like, I don't know. I don't know how that's going to fare.

Turns out two and six, not a lot. But the coaching situation, Patton is probably thinking the same thing. Well, if I had fucking Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback, what would it be? There's a lot of that, both sides. But I think Manziel could probably say the same thing alongside Joey Harrington and Rosen. A lot of these guys probably think the same stuff. But it's just like there's aliens out there from a lot of different generations that are still in the league right now taking up spots. It's like you being dropped into that and they're like, all right, is this doing alien or not?

And it's like more often than not, turns out they're not just not aliens. Just not good. I 25 bus coming up on Thursday, depending on how you judge it. Turns out, just not aliens. Just not good. 25 busts coming up on Thursday. Depending on how you judge it. Like 24 to 25 busts coming next Thursday. And the expectations that night are going to be change our franchise. The Hall of Famer. Change our entire franchise.

That's a crazy thing to think about with the draft. Well, especially from a fan's perspective. Because whoever you draft, you want to one play right away and be unbelievable right away. If you don't give those guys time, then they're screwed no matter what. For the situation thing, look what happened with Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is rookie year. They're the worst team in the NFL. Then he gets an offensive

coach who's actually an NFL coach and they go to the playoffs. Also, situations turn out. Could you imagine what we'd be saying about Trevor Lawrence if he threw four picks against the Chargers and the Chargers didn't blow that game? So many different things happen. And then it's the same with Josh Allen. First two years, I don't know if anyone

was like, Josh Allen is with Mahomes and all these other guys. It took him a little bit and that's why it's so hard because if you don't come in and play great right away, alright, this guy sucks. Fuck him. Let's go draft another quarterback because this guy's not good. It's a tough gig. Good luck to all of them. And this is why we don't value draft picks like everyone else does because you just never fucking know.

Bingo. And that's why the Draft Spectacular has been stupendous the last couple of years. Hell yeah. I'm sure this guy will beat out whoever's in the actual position. Yeah, great draft. This guy's going to change the entire draft. Drafted Cole Strange. Let's see who wins the draft.

It's always fun to grade the draft the next day and see who won. Yeah, we know. Next day in real time. We're like, boom, this team just didn't know. Philadelphia Eagles did win last year. Jordan Davis. A.J. Brown. A.J. Brown.

We knew A.J. Brown. Okay, we know A.J. Brown. On draft day, you get 100% chance a guy's going to be good. I feel like that's going to help your team. And that's to your point, Foxy. That's why when we saw what the Rams were doing and what Tampa was doing, and I guess who's doing it this year? Nobody.

Baltimore? Yeah. Well, Baltimore tried there, didn't they? They got Odell Beckham Jr. And our sources have said that there's a chance DeHop still ends up in Baltimore, right? Yeah, that's what our sources said. It's a strong possibility. Oh, strong. Really? Yeah.

Strong possibility. Hold on, now that's breaking. That's an update. I'm sorry. Go ahead, AJ. That's breaking news. Strong possibility? Is this strong possibility mean that Lamar is probably going to be there, Pat? I can't speak on it. I'm just...

Sources says it's a strong possibility. Okay, so when this is reported, it'll certainly have to be reported for Marshall because the word that was used as the possibility of the describer is... I don't know if that's coming out in any

other program. Probably not. It's not strong. Could you imagine him rapping for a quote tweet? Greeny said it this morning, actually. Did he? Yeah. I think. Yeah, he got thrown off. No, it was yesterday, maybe.

Did he say, I had to rush through the streets because I had a strong urge to take a skitch? A skit? A shit? Sorry about that. Joining us now is the man who won a Scanley Cup. This guy is an absolute dog. Getting a chance to see this bald-headed human kind of wander around a Pittsburgh event was fascinating

because he's very strapping, handsome, tall, tough, and he's a booze bag. Ladies and gentlemen, host of That's Hockey Talk and also on NHL Network, Mike Robb. There you go! Hey, that might be the best intro I've ever received. I'm not going to lie. That was good.

I'm happy we got to see you. You're a big fucking dude. Like, so we were taking photos. Nick was taking photos. We were taking photos. We're kind of off to the side. And you just were kind of like Bigfoot kind of walking through a couple different groups.

And we had eyes on you and I don't even think I had seen that you were there yet. I didn't know who was kind of potentially moseying around and I think it was Ty who said, you see fucking Rupp? And I'm like, no, is he here? And I turn and look and he goes, yeah, it's the big

one. And you are massive. You are massive. You had to be what, like 6'8 on skates? You had to be a real intimidating force. Life of the party. Ruff, we love you, buddy. It was an honor to see you. He's the big one in the back.

You see me poking my head? That's my life pictures. You know, any time a photo ops when you're a kid and you're on your youth team, I'm always the big goof in the back that's looking over everybody. So we saw it here. But, hey, I had a great time, great connecting with you guys. Congrats, Nick and Carly. It was an awesome weekend, man.

I enjoyed it. Great weather in Pittsburgh. I'll tell you, when we got there, so we went out for a couple pregame pops down at – we went down to a brewery down there, Southern Tier, and one turned to two and three and four. And, you know, we're coming. I'm like, we're going to brewery down there uh southern tier and one turn to two and three and four and then you know we're coming i'm like we're gonna be late we come walking in literally right before you guys walk down the aisle and i get the congrats i get the welcoming double uh double birds from connor i'm like all right we're here all right happy you made it sounds like you played

it perfectly had four or five pops show up right time. A person had tried to do the same thing. Mark Madden. I don't know how many pops he was having, but he tried to show up right on time. He ended up in his own section. We were walking out, and Mark's just standing in his own section right to the left. Had to wait.

Almost like he was welcoming us to the wedding. Oh, sure. Double M, good to see you. Did he tell you his situation about parking? Dude, it was incredible. So Double M, he's telling me, like, there's nowhere to park. I thought I was going to be able to park. There's nowhere to park.

So he said, I don't know how far he lives, but he said he was downtown Pittsburgh, couldn't find a place to park, so he drove home, dropped his car off, got an Uber, and came back. And I think that's why he was kind of getting there right at that time. That's why he literally said, I couldn't park anywhere. So I drive home, dropped his car off, got an Uber and came back. And I think that's why he was kind of getting there right at that time. That's why he literally said, I couldn't park anywhere. So I drive home, I leave. He told me the time. I think it was like eight minutes or something like that. Seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever it was.

And he said, and I got an Uber back. I'm like, damn, Mark, that's impressive. Because I'm just leaving that thing right in the no park zone. I'm getting a ticket and I'm fucking maybe getting towed and I'm out of there. He's like, nope, not doing it. He made it back. He was great. He was also light for the party.

He was walking around seeing everybody. Let's start chatting about hockey a little bit here. Rupert, you're a Stanley Cup champion. The NHL playoffs are electrifying. How great is it when a guy gets 75 stitches to the head, comes back onto the ice and they ask him afterward, what was going through your mind aside from a skate? He said, I just want to know if we scored or not. That's just common mentality in hockey. And that's something hockey has that nobody else has i think at this point

i mean it's that picture's tough to watch and you were talking about it earlier i know like he had some back pressure like getting pushed i don't think that the defender knew that his face was on a knife right like and he's pushing down on him and uh yeah i mean it's i don't know i think that you know i was actually texting with one of the guys, one of the Winnipeg Jets players today. You know, they got their day in between games right now. And I go, hey, what's up with Morgan Barron? Like, how's his face, man?

What's he looking like today? And he writes back and he's like, he's good. He's good. Everything's good. But he goes, you know, it's a scary moment. You're in that game. You see a player getting ushered off the ice with a trainer you got blood coming you don't know where because they're they're you know they're holding a towel up to it and so they got they got to resume play right and

then they at the intermission they go in they go first thing we do take our shit off bang right in the training room go see him on the table and he's like he's laying on the table he goes rapper it was ugly like it was it was ugly but once we learned that he's okay this is going to be a nasty ass scar then then it's like the locker room takes all right well thank god you're married bud you're off the market now yeah thank god y'all you don't gotta you don't gotta find a woman anymore so old zipper face yeah yeah yeah yeah it took a stab in the face like you mentioned earlier and uh you know know, he is fine. But, yeah, that's the mentality I think that it's like you sit there, you're scared in that moment, you see blood coming,

you don't know exactly how bad it is. And then once you find out that, hey, we got this, you're in good hands, you got the doctors and everybody there. Hey, where was it exactly? I don't think I got to see. So he's literally going to look like he has just a, like a jeans zipper straight up the side of his head. And how deep does it go in there? I didn't get a clean look at it,

but what it looks like to me, it's almost a little Mike Tyson tattoo right around my eye. 75 stitches, dude. That's so many. That's crazy. I've seen, I've never seen that many that's exceptional, how many are there

but dude, coming back, putting the cage on and playing I mean yeah, you want to get back there, I'm fine, cool let's get back out there, we got a game to win dude, just terrible I had I had the one time one time i had 36 i had 36 in the tip of my nose i had a

36 in the nose you got a no offense yeah that's big yeah got some surface to cover but you know what it was is uh you know like you know like a fishhook right i had a fishhook before and and i got split open for like 10 in in here from a fishhook and then? I had a fishhook before, and I got split open for like 10 in here from a fishhook. And then it was the same thing. There's a scrum. It was actually against the Penguins farm team in Wilkes-Barre. I was playing for the Devils farm team in Albany.

And it's the end of the game. The guy's name is Darcy Verratt. Funny story here. We're playing. There's a scrum at the end of the game. Everyone's kind of dropping the gloves and grabbing on everybody. I grabbed both hands, one on each guy's collar. I grabbed two guys because two guys came at me. I grabbed both hands, one on each guy's collar.

I grabbed two guys because two guys came at me. And I'm looking, and I look in my right hand, and I've got Jason McDonald, who I know is a tough guy. I got this other guy over here. I don't know if he's a tough guy. So I'm like, I got to pick and choose who I'm going to try to grab here. So I'm like, I'm going to go with the tough guy. So I let go of the other guy, and I fall on top of him when we're fighting. Everyone the ice is fighting so the referees aren't getting involved this son of a bitch darcy verrock gets

behind me and he basically fish hooks my nose it just rips my face off and so this finally we break it up i see blood pouring out i don't know what's going on i go to the locker room and i get stitched up for an entire period and a half so i'm like half the game i'm in there getting stitches inside my nose and it's basically just right around the tip of my nose and i remember uh getting stitched up went back for the third period i'm like i'm gonna kill this guy like i'm gonna kill him and uh so we went out on the ice and i remember the first face up i was taking the draw i was playing center he was playing center we line up for the face off and i'm pretending like i'm just moving on right and i'm like i'm gonna give him a shift like and he was like kind of coming in the draw like are you

gonna do something here and i played a shift didn't do anything the next shift go take another draw i think he's probably like all right maybe he's not gonna do anything as soon as the puck dropped i just dropped my gloves and hit him started another one right so fast forward fast forward about four years i'm in col Columbus playing for the Columbus Blue Jackets. I get sent down to the minors for a weekend to get some games in because I wasn't playing much in Columbus. So I'm down in the minors, and I'm walking through the locker room, and I remember at the end of that fight when I fought him,

when my nose was all over the place, my nostril was, like, hanging off. And I said to him, I'm like, I'm coming at you every time I see you the rest of my life, you know, and whatever. So we, uh, I'm walking through our locker room, Columbus's locker room. I turned the corner and I see this guy and I got like this hot flash, like, I'm going to kill him. I'm like, wait, he's on our team now. He was on our team. We called them up from the east coast hockey league and you know we did we went out to lunch that day we had lunch we had a beer and we talked about it i was like dude i'm you don't understand i want to fight you right he's like i'm sorry dude like i had to like you know i just you get in those moments that things get crazy hey that's good we made up let's wear

our swords down that's good darcy ever i mean that's good news happy you got that figured out i assume he was not exactly thrilled to have you as a man that was hunting him for the rest of his life. So he loved that lunch as much as you did and the blue jackets. Skate to the face happened often because, you know, happy Gilmore, obviously. I'm the only guy to ever take my skate off and stab somebody with it. It seems like that's always potentially there. Fingers picking up sticks down on the ground.

Face, obviously, I guess because you're down on the ground face. Obviously, I guess, cause you're down on the ground and there's skates flying around. It doesn't seem to happen that often though. Is, am I reading that right or no? Yeah. So, so skate to the face does not think,

thank God it doesn't happen often. You know where it gets it. A lot of times you get skate to like the, the inner thigh or you get it to the back of, you know, there's times where you get it. So as a hockey player, for the fans that don't know we your padding is basically in the front of you right so you've got your shin pads are in the front uh your hockey pants have pads in the front not very

limited in the back right so it's mostly for blocking shots and in you know you know the puck or or slashes with a stick so So the vulnerable spots are usually the backside. So you'll see players, and a lot of times it happens with goalies, right? They're making these desperate saves. They're laying on their stomach, kind of doing snow angels, trying to make these saves, and their vulnerable piece is sticking up. So you've got players battling in front, so you've got guys stepping on them. So you usually see it in the back of the legs, which is still not good.

But thank God Morgan Barron's okay, and hopefully we don't see that too much more. Yeah, let's keep skates away from faces, boys. Skates on ice, pucks on net. Got it, AJ? Rupert, you mentioned when you were playing in Columbus, they sent you down to the minors to get some games in. What's your mentality like getting sent down to play in the minors?

Is that tough to handle? Are you going in that game and just taking everybody out? Yeah, well, you get sent down to play in the minors, is that tough to handle? Are you going in that game and just taking everybody out? Yeah. Well, you know, you get sent down. I remember there was the – so I wasn't playing much. I got traded to Columbus. And so they're basically like, hey, we're going to send you down for a weekend to get some games in.

We're going to bring you back after the weekend. So I knew I was only going down for three days. And I think there was three games. Do they tell the truth in the NHL? NFL, that would be a lot. We plan on bringing you back to the practice squad and then they're never you are you're never hearing for that person again i was i was protected because uh because of my because of my contract the way it played out like they can only send me down for that time so yes but it did not always

they you know you don't always get the truth in those situations but so i went down there it was actually kind of cool because um when i got sent down to play those three games in the american league two of the games uh i was in columbus like i mentioned two of the games were in cleveland so obviously i you know i mentioned you guys before i from cleveland so my family was able to go there my parents were able to go so i got at least play in front of them um for a couple games and then went back. But, yeah, man, AJ, it's hard because that was a point in my career where, you know, I was a part of a cup team. You know, we won a cup.

And then you hit a point in your career like, is that it? You know, am I a minor league guy now? And you got to kind of reinvent yourself. So that's what, you know, I needed to do and a lot of guys in that position needed to do. And you did. Still a legend. Beloved by everybody in the nhl it seems even the guys that you punch in the face on yes which we were do you see chara 26 miles

eight minute mile average that fucking guy the other day dog incredible incredible he uh there's some he did something else in the off season a couple years ago like heights i don't know what mountain it was in the world when he does these crazy, like, that's a big man. That's a big man motoring the Boston. And there's him fingering your mouth. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that.

I mean, look at the size. Why are you biting? Is that a technique of yours? I'm going to bite these nubs? I'm going to bite these nubs? No, I wasn't. Touch your tonsils? I wasn't.

I don't know. That picture caught us at a weird time, I guess. But I wasn't trying to bite them. But it was that guy's. That picture caught us at a weird time, I guess. I wasn't trying to bite him. That guy's... I've said it before. He's the nicest human being on Earth, but when he dropped the gloves, he's pretty scary. You guys went skate to skate there.

Is that normal? You know in the bare knuckle fighting, they have a line. You've got to stay on the line. You have to stay in this area so that you can actively punch each other. Does it end up kind of skate-to-skate here? Because that feels like quite a disadvantage for the shorter person.

In this particular fight, you buy like six inches, right? Yeah, so I know this is just a weird way. I think that we're coming in as both righties. We're going to come in with set up that way for our strong hand to be to be kind of cocked back um you know you know normally it's it looks all different ways but the funny thing is like so most fights so this would be well we you know that's squaring up so if that's like the honorable way to fight is squaring

up like hey if you're going to fight someone we start from we start from the same point we don't jump them and do all that stuff but here's the thing when you when you give up size and generally speaking like i usually didn't give up size so if you're smaller and you're fighting me you should not square up with me i mean i might think you're right yeah you should you should jump in and get in tight right you want to take take away that space so I can't strip me out with my reach. And generally speaking, smaller guys do that to me always. I never had to do that because the guy was bigger. But in this situation, I should have been like, you know,

when he's asking me to go, just keep moving close to him, not saying anything, not saying anything, and then be like, all right, let's go and get in close. But as soon as I squared up, I'm like, Jesus, I've never been in this situation before. This probably wasn't the greatest of moves to make. Let me bite his fingers. Let me bite his fingers.

But that's what everybody else, that's why I give so much credit to the smaller, tough guys. They give up size in every fight and squaring up, man. They've got to have a lot of kahunas for that. You've told the story before, and I don't remember the exact. Chara asked you. He was like, sir, will you please fight me? Right?

Didn't he know what happened? He said, may I have this fight? May I have this fight? So I'm like, I've never been asked like that before. But, I mean, yeah. I mean, you know. But, no, in the course of the game, it was a situation in the game. I should not have fought him at that moment. So I said, hey, big man, like, I'll give it to I, in the course of the game, it was a situation in the game. I should not have fought him at that moment.

So I said, Hey, big man, like I'll give it to you late in the third period, but we got to, we got to get this game in the bag first. I'm not going to give you guys any kind of momentum here. And then like throughout the game, please, please rep, rep, or please, please. And I'm like, okay. And then, you know, then he ends up on top of me and beats me up. And then he's just like, he literally looks right in my face. And he's like, thank you.

Thank you. I'll remember that. I will remember that. I'm like, remember it for what? I ain't fighting you again. That's hockey there. That is literally hockey right there. We're about to throw bombs at each other's face.

He was good. Did he ever lose to our fight? Very rarely. You know, he did Very rarely. He did. Yeah, he did. He would – he was like – How about you? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I lose a lot. I wasn't as tough as some of the other tough guys. Hey, listen. Here's the thing. What I had to be is like I would – I'm not – listen. I'm not trying to sound like Tommy Tough Guy here, but I would fight anybody, but I'd probably lose most, a lot of times, you know, like I wasn't, I wasn't that player.

I wasn't that player growing up, but I always felt like, and I was always told from some of the veterans when I came in, don't ever say no to a fight. You say no to a fight. You're going to have to deal with that tenfold. Once they smell the blood, like, Hey, he doesn't want it. So I'm like, I'm going gonna fight everybody who asked me to fight so then eventually when you start doing that less people ask you to fight because they think this guy's fucking nut you know what i mean so it kind of kind of helps itself out a little bit well that's amazing we're lucky that you do stuff alongside us and that's hockey talk big time legend everywhere it sounds like connor has a question for you about the

current nhl playoffs yeah rep obviously the bruins are the overall one seed, and right now everything's looking good, up 1-0 on the Panthers. But what's going on with Patrice Bergeron? Apparently he's not missing tonight's game because of an illness. It is something else. And then my second question is around the goalies. If Olmark plays really well, then there's no worry. But if he starts to fade a little bit, will they pull the trigger quick and go to the backup Swayman or no off happy belated buddy thanks bro i missed it

yesterday i missed it yesterday all good why not yeah so the here's the situation for i think bruins fans um florida panthers i i don't want to say there's no way they win this series, but, I mean, you're talking about the – Boston Bruins have had one of the best regular seasons ever in hockey. Hell, yeah. And if there's a time now – Since 2005. Ever.

Since 2005. Most wins ever. Since 2005. Stick tap it up. They are absolutely loaded at every position where they can have a couple injuries and they won't miss a beat. This is their captain, Patrice Bergeron. He's very vital for this team.

But this is a round where I don't think they need him. They'll be fine. They're not going to lose if Patrice Bergeron's out. So it's an upper body injury. There was that stomach bug running around the team. So it was a little dicey before game one. He's got upper body injury. I think it's more, Connor, just precautionary.

Hey, we know that we're going to need this guy when we play the big boys down the line here. So I think they're just trying to be cautious with this. And I think that's the right move. But as far as the goaltending goes, I mean, they've got a great situation. Because Linus Allmark, their starter, he's going to win the Vezina for best goalie of the year. But their backup goalie, Jeremy Swayman, was actually, you know, he's their first-round pick. He was the one that was supposed to be the goalie of the future,

and he's very good too. So whatever happens, I mean, they're going to ride Allmark because he's been incredible. But if something happened and you had to go to your backup, it's not like a normal backup. Like, he's like starter 1B. So they're all set, man. They're good to go to your backup. It's not like a normal backup. He's like starter 1B. So they're all set, man. They're good to go.

Boston Bruins, greatest team, regular season team since 2005. Documented. Ever. Absolutely documented. They would have 61 wins if it wasn't for the four shootout wins, which would be number two all time. Congratulations. Yeah, if there was no shootout back then, we would have won in overtime

because we knew we wouldn't have a chance. I mean, maybe. That's a valid. That's why we'll just say in this era, shootout era, best of all time. Are they going to win it? They're going to win it? Oh, man. I mean, everything's pointing to, yeah, I mean, they're built like no other.

It's hard for me just being a fan of all sports. When we watch it, we've seen it in in every sports it's we going wire to wire in the team it's hard man like they have been the best team from day one of this season ever all the way through breaking records and then at the deadline going and getting some big name players to come in and compliment the group my history of washington sports tells me it's too good to be true, that something is going to go sour. If you're talking about who they've got on their roster,

they should win it, yes. But I'm not picking them to win. I have a feeling they're going to get bumped. See, what Bruins fans are saying, we already had something that came and attacked us. We got unlucky at it. It was when that stomach bug ran through our team like that girl with the Phoenix Suns a couple years ago.

But they've already beat that, and Patrice Bergeron doesn't even have to play against this series. We got unlucky at it. It was when that stomach bug ran through our team like that girl with the Phoenix Suns a couple years ago. That's right. But they've already beat that, and Patrice Bergeron doesn't even have to play against this series. Yeah, so who cares? That was like some bad news that came out, and then they win night one, and then you're like, they don't need them anyways. It doesn't matter. It's like if they are truly the best team, we've seen in the past two in sports, best team can just fucking steamroll. Hey, it can just happen. I hope it does for the people of Boston. You guys haven't won enough. That's right. See, I completely

agree. It's been a while. It's been since 2018, one of our teams hasn't won. Almost half a decade. That's a long time. Ty has a question for you. Ripper, what the fuck is going on with the Golden Knights? I came into the playoffs incredibly excited. Stoner's back. I'm just elated. And then they go

out and just lay a fucking egg at home in the toughest barn in the NHL. And I know they play better on the road typically, but just give me something here. They got 18 fucking goalies. They don't know which one to play. I personally would love to see Jonathan Quick in between the pipes. But what's going on here? Is is last night is that uh an indication that they might be in trouble in this first round here all right they just no-showed last night you nailed it they laid an egg i mean it's uh can't happen this is the best part the donor did have cement in his skates he looks awfully slow last first game back so but lord oh if you

want a positive to take out of last night i i mark stone's been dealing with these injuries for a number of years. He's their captain. I mean, he is the heartbeat of their team. And so we've been talking. I know you've been waiting for the big boy to get back. He comes back in game one. I'm thinking to myself, is this the last-ditch effort? Does he just have this chronic back injury and this injury that he's had

for a number of years? Is he just going to try to go? So I paid attention to what he was doing yet he didn't look i mean he hasn't played much hockey so he's not gonna he's gonna look rusty but he played 21 and a half minutes man so that to me is very encouraging like it's it's not like it was a smoke screen like yeah it wasn't like it was smoke screen where oh we got our guy back we're gonna you know we're gonna try to make this feel like it's a you know a emotional boost for the team.

He actually played a good amount of minutes in the game. So I think that's a good sign because he can help them. Their best players weren't their best players. It was a no-show. It was a no-show. And this Winnipeg team, this is a tough draw, though, because Winnipeg, for the first three months of the season, they were going toe-to-toe with Gump's dell stars for the best team in the west and then the last the last probably six

seven weeks of the season they shit the bed so now all of a sudden we're like are they a good team are they a bad team and now you're a number one seed in vegas and you've got that team who just eat their way into the playoffs but for more than the year, they were one of the better teams in the league. So I think that's what you're getting right now. It's going to be a battle in this series. Vegas, they've got to have their big guys show up. Jackie Aces I know is on here. He's got to have a better – he's got to lead.

He's got to be a juggernaut for this team. Come on, Jack. Come on. Jackie, please. We need him to get a hat trick too. Donate $100,000. Does he care about charity? Come on, Jackie.

You tell me, Ruck. You tell me, Ruck. You guys have got a bad trick, too. Donate $100,000. Does he care about charity? Come on, Jockey. You tell me, Rupp. You guys got a bad draw, dude. Tough barn. We play better on the road. We'll go fucking beat their asses up in Winnipeg. No, not in Winnipeg. That's a beautiful city. That's a tough barn. The arena is the toughest barn in the NHL. Not true.

The Leafs have lost in the first round in six straight seasons, and then you think this year they get the Bolts, hashtag Go Bolts, off of multiple, multiple, multiple long runs with an older team, and they were limping in. Maybe this is the year they get one in the first round, and then they come out and lay a fucking egg last night. Are the Leafs cursed? Have you dealt with curses in the NHL?

How do you feel about Go Bolts going forward? You know what? I was picking. We knew this match. This was the one matchup we knew all season long pretty much. I mean, it's probably, say, since December because of the Bruins. Okay, so the way that it works in that division, the Bruins run away with number one, right?

Yeah. So we've known the two- three in that division have been toronto and um uh and tampa all season long so we've known that these two teams are going to play um tampa's history tampa's you know they meant they have that pedigree and toronto's trying to figure out how to get out of the first round in 18 years right and this is a team that's really good really loaded but they melt down at the wrong time classic so tampa tampa kind of offense kind of came limping into the playoffs where i was like hey toronto might be able to toronto might be able to get them this year and that game last

night i was shocked i was shocked and this is where it goes you you have had and you're not going to find a bigger market in hockey. Toronto is the market. It's the epicenter of hockey. Great city. Yeah, they're nuts for their teams. There's a ton of pressure there, a ton of pressure on these players. So you're going in all cocky, feeling good about it,

and you go into game one and you get whacked right in the face. 7-3, and this is the team that beats you. It's the last three straight Stanley Cups, won two of them. Now you have a question and goal. What are we going to do? The goalie that we thought was going to be a refreshing new blood, he got rocked in game one. Game two is going to be huge.

Tomorrow night in Torontoonto i'm interested to see what this team's got as far as the backbone they plenty of time left but i think uh tampa made a big statement in game one backbone oh that's quite a oh those are different i've been to a couple different dispensaries up there in toronto that place is beautiful awesome that city is gorgeous clean super clean very active right on the water it is beautiful you're saying a lot of pressure for them been in the playoffs 18 years. What are we talking about? These guys stink.

No, the problem is they've been to the playoffs, but they haven't passed the first round in 18 years, and they've had great teams. They find a way. I mean, you can get into it later. Ask Connor about the meltdown has always been against the Bruins. Oh, yeah. Every time.

So this is a team that's hilarious because the Bruins have been their, you know, kryptonite for quite some time. And then last year they're like, holy shit, we don't have to play the Bruins. We got the Bolts. We're going to play the Bolts. The Bolts beat them in seven while Toronto, I think, was up three games to two.

And then they lost game six, game seven because of Vasilevsky, the goaltender in Tampa. And then it's like now this year they get Tampa again. So a lot of the whining about the playoff structure and seeding is coming out of Toronto because Toronto plays in a very tough division, and they do. They have a terrible first-round draw every year, and they can't find a way to win. Yeah, if you want to win the Cup, you're going to have to play everybody. Bingo. Get over it, Toronto.

Okay, sorry. Sorry about it. Stop being a bunch of babies. Don't put your mask back on either, okay? Yeah. Canada. Did you hear they were doing that? Gumby kept us updated on that whole thing.

They were thinking about putting the mask back on. They make me fucking put on this mask again. But maybe they know stuff that we don't know. The seating is kind of stupid, though. Why is the seating stupid, Nick? Well, Pat, you battle all season to come in second place, and then your reward is playing a third-place team instead of the seventh-place team.

It doesn't make any sense. Well, then, you know what? Lose less games and be one. Sorry. What are we even talking about? Yeah. Who's four play? You got to beat everybody if Sorry. What are we even talking about? Yeah. Who's four play? You got to beat everybody if you want to win.

Four plays five? Yeah. Doesn't matter who you play. Just beat the NBA. That's stupid. What? No, no. So here's what I think they're going for, and it gives us this, is they go.

So easy breakdown is you've got two conferences, and you've got two divisions in each conference. Okay okay so you can see it kind of structured right there and so in your division the top seed will play against one of the two wild cards and two and three will play each other so all this sets up is two and three in every division will play each other the problem is is those are really good teams in a lot of the divisions they They're teams that could be cup favorites, and they're playing round one against another team that is a cup favorite because they don't have a receding of just going one through eight. So a lot of fans want that.

Yeah, we want that. It's a new tournament. Give us a new tournament, a new league. This is where I like it, though. This guarantees us some good matchups. Round one is electric every year because we have great fucking teams playing great fucking teams and we can sit there and be like oh i like it because i want this team i want boston to go against tampa in the eastern conference finals

so let's structure it this way there's no guarantee that both those teams make it there so uh it sets up for a great first round but it also sets up because of that structure. A lot of these teams will play each other from year to year in the first round. So it gets that rivalry going. Okay. I like that. I like the thought of that. I wouldn't like it if I was a hockey player though.

Oh, so that makes sense. We're much better than that team and we got to play this team. That's much better than that team, but that team gets to play a couple of shit bags over there. That makes no sense. Is this not the highest level? Are we not trying to find the best team? Shouldn't the better teams play the worst team?

It'd be hard for me not to think that, but I do like the thought of, who's it, Bettman over there? Gary? Gary Bettman's like, listen, let's put similarly ranked teams with each other so they got good games. That's what we need to care about

good games speaking of that type of stuff good games i both pac-man has a question for you um my question to you is the nhl is getting more views with espn and tna what are your thoughts on that um with that subject yeah no it's uh it's good man this uh the partnership they have you know it's just like any other sport where you, hockey's clearly not as big as some of the other sports. But we got it on different platforms, right? It's all about having it available and getting it more and more available for everybody to watch. You know, this is year two of the new deal between both networks. And, you know, I like it.

I think that it's been great. It's kind of funny. So ESPN has been more your traditional coverage. And then obviously with TNT, it's kind of taken on a little more of like the NBA on TNT where it's a little more personality. You're never going to be able to duplicate, you know, Shaq and Charles and stuff like that. But it's kind of a different feel. So I like it. I think that it gives these fans access in a different way. And you can kind of pick and choose where you want to consume this so

uh that it's big for hockey uh hockey's uh you know it's still trying to to grow and get bigger every year so i think this kind of makes it more available for everybody god aj last one rupper who's the uh the most exciting player left in the playoffs for us to watch right now? Costa. Oh, man. Most exciting players. It's still got to be Connor McDavid. They suck, though. Hey, thank you for asking that question, AJ, because we talked about this yesterday. We can't have the greatest fucking player to potentially ever play

stuck in a shit bag team. Are we getting him out of there? So here's my thing, and this is one where like i've been saying it and then it'll i'd said it earlier in the year uh about austin matthews in toronto and kind of you know i'd say it tongue in cheeks i know the toronto fans lose their mind when you you kind of mess with the potential future of their team but here we go we got austin matthews which might be the best american in the game playing in toronto okay yeah

conor mcdavid is the best player in the world he's playing in edmonton both absolute superstars and we all know that when you're judged upon your greatness hall of fame careers and these guys will be hall of famers how many cups have you won neither of them have won any you know we just talked about toronto austin matthews hasn't a round yet. It doesn't mean he's not an incredible player. So it's like my thing is both these two guys are coming up in, I think, two years on their deal. If Edmonton does not make some noise, and they have made some noise in the playoffs, but if they get knocked out in round one,

if Toronto loses again in round one, these guys got to get out of there. They've got to lay the hammer on the team. It's about my legacy here. They hammer on the team. It's about my legacy here. They can't do anymore. It's not on them. The teams have been shit the way they've been built around them. It's something to monitor.

I wonder if these guys at some point this year, if they don't get it done, if these guys will try to push that envelope and get out in a couple years. The NHL should be pushing the envelope to get them the fuck out of there. Get them to Boston. We're the good of hockey. Ruppers bring them home.

Bring them to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Vegas. They all want to play with pasta. Sorry. They want to play with, they don't want to play with Bingo. They want to play with Sid in two years.

There'll be dust in the wind. They want to learn from Marius. It's interesting though, because you got, here's one that's very interesting. So you remember earlier in the year, I'll end it with this. So you know how the Arizona Cowboys are playing in the Mullet Arena, 5,000-seat arena.

I know you guys have talked about that earlier. It's not a great look, right? But they're trying to do what they can. They're trying to get the city of Tempe to pass this arena project and get all this. So they're going through some time right now. They have potential getting the first overall pick this year in Conor Bedard, who's supposed to be a franchise-changing player

in this year's draft. The draft lottery is coming up here in a couple weeks. Austin Matthews is a born-raised Arizona kid. And so if they get the new arena, great living space surrounding the arena, all that good stuff, they get Conor Bedard. You're telling me Austin Matthews isn't going to want to go back home to play and now build that team to be a juggernaut? Like, it's very interesting stuff.

So, yeah, it's a lot of interesting moving parts here, but these superstars got to win cups, and they know it. Yeah, it'd be cool if he just went to Pittsburgh instead. Going home is fun, but hockey time is better. Yeah, but Austin, you can go to Chef Bo's. Yeah, but could you imagine if he ends up going back to Arizona and they don't get Conor Bedard and they just suck in front of 5,000 people? This guy just –

Well, the good thing is that that will happen before he has to make that decision. So, yes, if they don't get him and they still suck and they don't get no new arena, Austin Matthews ain't going there. Okay, good, but what if Conor Bedard goes? So you got Bedard. Correct. Conor Bedard goes? Bedard? Correct. Conor Bedard is supposed to be the next one. He goes to Arizona.

Okay, nobody's going to watch him on TV ever. Austin Matthews, greatest American, hasn't even won a series up in Canada. Conor McGeezes, this guy is spectacular to watch. Let's put him in the smallest market in all of professional sport. Where's that going to be? Somewhere in Canada. Where? Upper left Canada. They love hockey up there. Great. I love that they love hockey. I appreciate the barn that they have.

I love the love that they have for hockey. But for the good of the sport, can we get one of these guys of the future onto a team that matters into a market that is basically known for hockey? Bring McJesus to Pittsburgh. The NHL should force that trade.

No, no. The NHL should say, hey, you have to, for the good of the entire league. You know how they have that bullshit rule for the playoffs? These teams that are similar get to play against each other. These ones, for the good of the league, they do that. For the good of the league. Why don't they do that with a player that needs to be seen what what do you think that's ever going to happen or or why do we i mean i mean they're not going to be able to do it to that level no yeah we know

that but they you don't think behind you don't think behind closed doors that people at the league i'm sure like man if this player if these players were in these spots like it would be better for business you know yeah i think about it even as a player. As a player, we have hockey-related revenue where we have to pay escrow into every year. At the end of the year, if hockey's generated $5 billion, there's a percentage and it plays out. That's how much the players are supposed to make a portion of, 50% of. Part of that, too, it's the playoffs. As players, we sit there and be like, I want every big market, it's like, it's the playoffs. So as players,

we sit there and be like, I want every big market to go on a fucking run in the playoffs. Because if the Chicago Blackhawks go on a run, if the Boston Bruins going on a run, Montreal Canadiens, you know, Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Rangers,

that that's good for everybody. Everyone's making money because the hockey related revenue is going up and we get a port. We get 50% of it, right? So it's thought about. Players think about it. The league thinks about it. I agree with you, though. These guys need to be seen, and I think that's the next goal for the league. How can we get these guys

seen via TV packages or where they're playing? All right. Well, hopefully they'll do it because the NHL needs Pittsburgh Penguins to be back. I'll be excited to see what these ratings are. Get ESPN, get TNT. Great question by Pac. You bring up all these new TV deals.

No Sidney Crosby. Yeah, we'll see. You tell me what that means for the league. These little bonuses, you don't think these guys are pissed that the Pittsburgh Penguins aren't in there? They are. But we aren't pissed at all because we had a chance to chat with Stanley Cup champion Cleveland Fuck, Mike Rupp. Did you hear about him winning uh the face of ohio yeah i did congrats

age that's awesome ma'am good stuff thank you next year next year we're trying to get you that rupper look at that what is it i'm is that a what is it just a circle what is it on there it's his face sideways it's his face sideways. I think it's a football shovel. It's his face sideways. But, Roper, obviously you're from Cleveland, Ohio. You represent everything that Ohio is. You just said, like, I'll fight a thousand guys, lose to 990 of them. I don't care.

I don't care at all. Like, you are, I believe, an Ohio fuck through and through. Always have been. What does it mean to you whenever a guy like AJ.J. wins the Ohio's Finest Award? Do you have any words that you'd like to say about our guy? What's that, A.J.? What's your deal? Rupert, it was great chatting with you today.

Oh, yeah, it's embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. You don't have to play into this garbage. Rupert, what do you think Ohio's Finest? Ohio's Finest. What do you think that means, Rupert? What do you think Ohio's Finest? Like, if you had to describe Ohio's Finest, how would you go about describing What do you think that means, Rupert? What do you think Ohio's finest? If you had to describe Ohio's

finest, how would you go about describing it, you think? Just, I mean, it's everything for probably Pennsylvania to look up to. For Pennsylvania, it's probably, right? Get him off. We set the bar. I'm sorry, Patrick. Okay, Rupert. Thanks, Sam and Mike Rupert.

Thanks, Rupert. Good job. Thanks, Ruperipper. Good job. Way to put it. All right. Thanks, bro. Send the cup, John. We're up here. Shit. Shit state. Ohio?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Shit bird? No, no. No, no. That's shit birds. Opposite shit birds. Yeah. It's kind of what Ohio's known for is just hardworking, loyal, talented.

What? Gum bags. Protection. Whoa. I mean, there's a chance. There's a chance a little bit of that in there too but they wear that as a badge of honor did you guys get your red coats yet?

you guys wearing red coats? that would make sense oh my god we would like to purchase the red coats for the Ohio's finest team like it's a hall of fame I don't think that's part of it. I don't think that's part of it.

Not yet, at least. All right, let's get to a break. We'll be back with Hour 3 on the other side. We've got Vaughn Miller joining us. Let's go. We also got some phone calls on the 500G phone line. Can't wait to chat with Vaughn. Yeah.

Remember in the first hour, we had breaking news from a source. Yep. There is a strong. Strong. Very strong. Strong. That's why I didn't say it right. Skrong.

Skrong. There you go. Skrong. Yep. Possibility. Skrong. Of the Ravens potentially being in the D-Hop world. Whoa.

That's per source. Sizz. That Pac-Man talked to. What? That's a big deal. That's going pretty big on the internet right now. A huge deal. I don't know if they're quoting Skrong.

It should be. Skrong. It should be. Skrong. Skrong. Is that like an S-H-K? S-C-H-K sounds like. C-H-K? C-H. Skrong.

Skrong. He's putting it on ticker. Do we want just the K? S-K? Skrong. But pronounced Skrong? It should be S-K? But pronounced? Yeah. Strong?

It should be S-C-H. Okay. Strong. We got to redo the tweet, too. It's been out for longer than 30 minutes. Can't add it. Fuck! It's all right.

Still, still, still strong possibility. As long as there's K in there. Leave it like it is. What, on tweet? Yeah. We'll put it on the ticker, though. We'll be able to change it. Okay. Speaking of the ticker, release a new album, Never Enough, dropped by me.

Did you get to see Parker McCollum at all? Can't wait. I saw a little bit of him, yeah. He seems like a good dude. He seems strong. He and I took the same amount of edibles, you know. And he was still hanging. That's never a good idea for the other people.

You might have gave him that one little gummy you gave me that one time that had me. Listen. Pew, pew, pew. Pew, pew, pew. Yeah, I remember. Close. gummy you gave me that one time that had me listen yeah i remember i feel like i'm pretty i got pretty high tolerance in this entire oh i'd say so i would say so in the old game you know so that's always a fun time when people are like hey what are you doing it's like all right okay absolutely let's do this this will be fun and then just kind of watching the elevator head up to the next floor yep and then to the next one you probably never even had a panic attack have you nah there was that one time i did it was in i was in san francisco it was uh it had 4x i didn't know it was a 4x strength it was uh it had 4x i didn't know it was a 4x strength it was like 100 or something like this it was like 400 that one got me i was i had to lock the door of the hotel i'm like all right

let's just stay in here you know what i mean let's keep those blinds closed control the controllable let's lock that door let's just go ahead and shut it i was supposed to go to an event i i don't think i'm supposed to be in public. Maybe the next one. So I have. I know where people go. I do know what people go through. I don't know if I got it to the extent that people did, because I started making jokes about it, you know? Because I started hearing myself talk to other people. Like, you're going to come down.

You're going to come down. And there's sometimes in there where I didn't think I was ever going to come down. You're stuck like that forever. 400. I started doing the math. Man, this is like me, 24 hours straight. What are we? That is so many.

How are they allowed to sell that? That not went into the hole. Right. How am I even allowed to have what I just had? How come nobody told me about what I was doing? So I locked it down. I think I could have made it. If I had to go to the event, I think I could have got through it.

But boy, that was one where I was freaking out a little bit. That's the only time. Thank God. Probably don't sell that anymore. I bet you they sell more. Yeah. There's some people out there. There's some people out there that smoke.

Yeah. That smoke, like, they're zombies. Yeah, sure. Professionals. Yeah, like professionals. What'd you say, Dad? I don't do those. No. Those are those people, though.

Yeah, I don't do the dabs much. Those people, like, wake up and smoke. Yeah. No thanks. The equivalent of 10 blunts before they even get out of bed. It's like... I'll do a dab. Is your brain going to work?

What's that? A dab is cool. I don't think I've ever done the old dab thing. It's not that bad. What is it? It's in that little machine. It's rising. That's all it is, rising.

It's in that machine thing. The rig? Yeah. I've seen it. I've walked into places. They got any pub coals? Yeah, you gotta have the torch for it. No, you don't need a torch for the new ones. So the reason why I never did it

is because it looked like people were smoking crack. I'm not doing that. That's weed? Okay, cool. Do you have a lighter? I'll just smoke this thing over here. But you're saying there's new ways. Alright, cool. I don't want to be put in a position where i gotta smoke like from a spoon yeah yeah well those pens mentally might freak out then might you know what i mean that might be uh what am i doing here let's get to a break chat to park mccallum perform very well

i don't know what he sounds like on stages normally i heard him in a living room very high may 12th And he was unbelievable. May 12th, new album. AJ, you going to go get it? Yeah. I pre-ordered it already. Never enough. Show me your seat.

Screenshot it. Yeah. I will. I don't believe you. If this goes in. How do you do that? I don't know how to do that. If this goes in, we'll give away. Actually, we won't give away.

We can't give away albums. No. Do it. Try it. Just download Spotify. Yeah, exactly. I bought Sunday Ticket yesterday. It was awesome.

How much? $379? No, they got a $100 off special running right now if you get it before June something. Okay. Sorry, Hulu. I had a chance to chat with some of the people up there who are kind of in that world, you know, at the Google YouTube thing with nfl sunday ticket i don't know if they know they're very intelligent and they're working diligently for this to be a

success and i think my messaging to them was like it's going to be better than fucking what direct tv had okay so just know that like you are you're coming in after a terrible person so like direct tv was good at some point. It was great. But there's a lot of flaws in that particular thing. And everybody experienced it every year for probably, like, the last five years. And they knew they were probably not going to get the next one. So they weren't making it better.

It was just like, hey, here's our service. So I think YouTube, Google are going to be able to do well. 80% of the people that are going to get here are going to be what 20 minutes before the season starts yeah probably most likely oh yeah for sure i told them that i was like maybe day of they're like we're really trying to get this thing going you know we're doing this whole thing i'm like bro it does not matter the day of is when you need to know oh yeah because i just want that's how i operate every human i talked to is oh, fuck. Yeah, my team's not playing on Fox right now. I need to fucking go get Sunday tickets.

And they were like, well, we hope to get to the – it wasn't them exactly. It was like a team that was working on it. We hope to get to this amount at this time, this amount at this time. Like, that's the goal. It's like none of that matters. None of that matters. 20 minutes before the season kicks off,

everybody's going to buy that fucking thing. When I logged into my YouTube TV yesterday, it was fucking big and bold right in front of me. It said sign up right now and I fucking clicked like four buttons and I had it. I was like...

See, they're already way ahead of DirecTV. Oh, yeah. Way ahead of DirecTV. They're way out with the multiple games on the TV. Four games. You couldn't do that.

You could only do that on your computer. You couldn't do it on your TV. Congratulations to Google and YouTube getting in the game. Unbelievable. Might be good news if you're a big NFL show on YouTube and Google. Could be.

Much money! A little disappointed there. Why is that? Well, the boys were thinking about running an audible there. To my left, your right, is the face of Ohio, the Buckeye champion, Ohio's finest, A.J. Hawk. Hell yeah. And there's a 14-year NFL vet here who's an icon

and a legend. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Pacman. Here you go, Pacman. Then there's three people on this stage every single day with me that I am lucky to call peers, friends, and co-workers. The Toxic Table at Boston Corner, Natai Schmidt, and one half of the Hammer Don Cowboys Turn Dicks. These three A.J at Ty Schmidt. And one half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys turned dicks.

These three, AJ, dotted themselves. I don't know about that. These three were standing in the batter's box and left the bat on their shoulders. They thought about changing what they were going to yell into the microphone as the open was about to begin. Oh, no. And they decided against it. Boys, if we're all wrong, we're all right. I appreciate the fact that you're all on the same page,

but I don't love the fact that you seem like you guys lack confidence there. You can make audibles. You can get on the same page. You can do it, boys. Absolutely. And we all know that, and I appreciate you saying that. But like you said, we can't just go into something being all wrong, all right. We have to be united as one team. Yeah, if you're all wrong, you're all right, though. No, we can't be go into something being all wrong, all right? We have to be united as one team.

Yeah, if you're all wrong, you're all right, though. No, we can't be all wrong. What were you going to say? If we're all wrong, we could be all wrong. I thought you were going to say something different. Exactly. For the third hour, and I got a fucking... What did you want to change it up to?

Super grass. You wanted to say super grass. Which is a great idea, but ten seconds to go on the countdown. Wanted to say super grass, obviously, because it was a concept that a chicken farmer that we know very well has schemed up in his mind, hasn't been able to take enough time to create that because he is too busy being an absolute dog on the football field. He'll be joining us here in a few moments. That would be Vaughn Miller of the Buffalo Beals, who are back at practice in their western New York

with all eyes on a Lambeau arriving at some point over there. There's also some other stories around the NFL before we get to Von Miller. Nick Casario responds to rumors that he's leaving. He says, nah, okay, he's not leaving. 49ers also listening to trade calls for Trey Lance. Now, I did not get to hear the whole clip. I was caught up on all the phone calls. I do apologize. I should have listened to the clip from front to to hear the whole clip. I was caught up on all the phone calls. I do apologize.

I should have listened to the clip from front to back, the whole press conference. They are very much a team, though, that says, we'll listen to anything. Somebody wants to call us, we'll fucking listen. You know Christian McCaffrey? We just traded for him. If somebody wants to call us and say they want to give us two ones

for Christian McCaffrey, especially the two ones that we gave up for Trey Lance to move up to number three, we will certainly listen to that and see if it's in the right move for us. Ian Rappaport, though, says they've received inquiries from several teams looking into trade for Trey Lance. The conversations have been the result of San Francisco fielding the calls, not making them. With teams aware that Brock Purdy is likely the future starter,

although we do not know how he's going to recover from Tommy on, we won't know until three months after the surgery. We're about three weeks in to the surgery right now. So we're still, quick math, nine, ten weeks away from knowing what Brock Purdy is going to be able to do this season. Could be he's going to be all right back by the beginning of it. Could be the motherfucker misses until December. So there's a lot, there's a big window that it could be, but he seems to be very confident, as do the people speaking about it. And as soon as he became the starting quarterback for the Niners,

they became great. He was obviously Mr. Irrelevant, pick number 259. 72? 270. 257? A lot of them. There's a lot of picks that happened, then it was his. He was the last one.

Sometimes it would be much better to be an undrafted free agent than be that late of a seventh-round pick because then you could at least pick and choose who you're going to potentially compete with for either a practice squad spot or a roster spot. When he gets drafted, it's like, hey, you're coming here. Welcome to our quarterback room, Brock Purdy. He became the guy.

If he's healthy, John Lynch said there'd be no reason not to give him a spot. But if he's not healthy, don't you kind of have to see what Trey Lance does? Don't you kind of have to see what Trey Lance does, AJ? And if you don't, where would he go? The Colts? Is Trey Lance coming to the Indianapolis Colts, AJ? It's possible. I mean, the first question I had was, what's the team willing to give up in compensation

for them to get rid of Trey Lance? Obviously, they're not out there cold calling people, probably asking for Trey. But if they've received multiple calls asking, hey, what are you thinking with Trey? Then, yeah, I'm sure they probably got excited. They have Sam Darnold there that they signed as well. So if Brock Purdy, for some reason, isn't ready for the start of the season,

they probably feel okay with Sam in there. Yeah, it's not a bad contract either for any team. Now, granted, it would have to be a brand-new offense that Trey Lance would have to learn, and who knows what he's able to do, how healthy he'll be. Works weapons. Interesting dilemma for Trey Lance. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta called.

He fit that scheme. I just don't think he has had enough games to say he's not the guy. We agree. We do agree. We have no idea who he is, I feel like. No clue. But if they're going to go with Purdy, they can't keep three of them. Didn't they just sign Sam?

Darnold. Sam Darnold. So you got to shop one of them. And you're not going to shop Sam. You literally just signed him. Brock Purdy, you're going to keep him. So Trey Lance, I guess, would be the one that you would shop. But you just made massive moves to get up to number three overall pick

and not take Mack Jones to take Trey Lance. Normally, like 99% of the time, if a general manager gives up all that to move up to three, and it is as big of a conversation as it was, and the coach's record, win-loss record, is what it is, normally that person's getting forced into the field, onto the field. Because, hey, we need to see if the big brain that we made, big brain decision we made to trade away the future,

we decided to do this, cause a lot of ripple effects across the entire football community. But we made this decision. We sacrificed some of the future of the franchise for this we have to at least see if this fucking guy is the right guy if our brains were right if our brains were right that this guy who had limited experience could become a franchise quarterback normally egos pride everything else like that says that that's how humans are going to act in that situation who are making decisions so if they trade away trey lance i think

a silver lining in this is the fact that john lynch former player was like yeah last guy was actually last guy the drafts actually really really good for us better third overall guy for whatever reason didn't work out new start for him good luck we made a mistake i guess but we got to this point like that is an interesting thing aj AJ. That is a really interesting thing. Well, you could easily justify it by saying, hey, we, yeah, we took Brock Purdy almost not as a flyer. We liked the kid in college, but they could have never envisioned exactly what would happen when he gets thrust into the lineup in the,

just the crazy like groundswell of support from not only his teammates, but everyone outside of the Niners, what Brock Purdy could do. And you don't even have to say like, hey, we messed up by taking Trey Lance. Like, hey, Trey was the guy. We liked him. We loved what he was doing. We still think he's going to be great. But we had this other guy step in, and our offense runs very well with him.

Same brain made that decision, you know? So, like, that's what I was – It actually takes – it shows ultimate – like, to me, it shows that you are, like, you're confident in yourself if you can move on from him and not say, hey, I've got to keep him on just because we draft them we moved up like belichick moves on from draft picks he's not worried about hey this is how this looks bad i draft this guy in the second or third round well so that's not normal though and i think we all know that and i i think like i think you gotta be pretty secure in who you are i agree and you gotta be confident not only football wise but

as an actual human too like that is a full i think that's an indicator as the human as a whole, you know, like willing to say, yeah, we shouldn't have given up two ones for that. It's not an exact science, guys. Sorry. Here we go. I'm trying to win some games. That was an expensive price for us to pay. Obviously, had to go through a lot of conversations to get that approved

by ownership and everything else. And it turned out we didn't need it. Yeah, it turns out it wasn't the right play. Like, that's not a normal thing for people to do. I remember on numerous occasions, to your point, about them finding him in the seventh round or whatever, like explaining to coaches and people, like, hey, I know this guy's a six-rounder,

but, like, he's much better at special teams. And the third-round guy that you guys took, like, he's going to be backup. He's probably not going to play a lot. Like the sixth rounder. Not really willing to do special teams as much as the other guy too, probably. Yeah, the second rounder that you guys got, I get it that you invested a second rounder in him. But good news, just swap him.

Hey, look, in your head, we can all just, sixth rounder actually in the second round, second rounder actually in the sixth round. You made both of those decisions. It's like you are still the smart person that found the much better football player but that's just not how egos actually operate so good on them being able to potentially do that and the reason why john lynch don't get to get away with this because they've been winning there yeah they're they've been fucking winning now if you was in some fucking sorry ass organization um we'll use cleveland for example and you picked the quarterback cleveland's got dunked on a lot today and and you're losing then your ass is getting fired agreed agreed complete be who you can afford to be as a

classroom exactly i was gonna say like they they are sitting and you guys all said they're secure like john lynn shanahan aren't going anywhere. You talked about Belichick. He's not going anywhere. They've made enough right decisions that they're allowed to make a wrong decision, even if it wasn't this expensive. So they can move this guy without worrying about their jobs. Well, if Trey Lance goes somewhere else and has success,

I think all parties would be like, yeah, happy for him. Just didn't work out here. That's not normally how it goes. We're experiencing this with the Packers right now, with Jordan Love. They have to see him. Have to see him on the field. Especially with how the situation's going. We caused quite a ripple effect

in the NFL. Quite a stir with this whole move. We can't just sit through this entire thing and not even see. That's just not how a human's going to act when a decision is made. So we're watching it happen right now in Green Bay. I guess Aaron wanting to move and being okay to move and everything like that

certainly is a helper to it all. But it's an interesting dynamic when you talk about the humans being involved. It's just hard to imagine, like, to Pac-Man's point, like, I don't know if we've seen him enough for them to just cut bait. Because, like, if you, and again, the compensation doesn't really matter that much because they have been winning. It's not like they can circle it and be like,

well, fuck if we would have had those three first round picks, we could have gotten much better at this position in this position in this position. But if they do like, who knows what the compensation will be, but if they end up being like, all right,

fuck it, we'll get rid of him for a fourth and a sixth round pick. And then he goes out and like wins an MVP the year after that, when when he's actually healthy and like then it's like man what the fuck did we just do now granted you're winning with purdy or that you were last year so it probably makes it a little bit easier but like you just you don't know what you have with the guy yet what'd you say when you're staying in the paint every once in a while every once in a while you're gonna get dunked on but that's the price of living in the paint and especially when with the niners with them winning that's why a team like the Texans

would be very interesting because then all of a sudden they got Trey Lance. They can probably still take a quarterback at 12 because they don't have to rush to it early. D'Amico. Yeah, D'Amico. And the offense coordinator, right? Yeah. Say that again.

That would be sweet. Joining us now is a man who's going to be a general manager at some point in his life. Right now he's too busy building and stacking upon his Hall of Fame career. Two-time, two-time Super Bowl champion. An absolute stallion. MVP. Ladies and gentlemen, founder of Vaughn's Vision. Where he buys glasses for kids that can't afford them.

Not only just to get them good vision, but also to look cool. Oh, yeah. Over $5 million worth of glasses. That's a lot. 9,000 some recipients. $5 million worth of glasses. Good human off the field. Great football

player on the field. Back from an injury. Ladies and gentlemen, Vaughn Miller. Howdy, guys. How's it going? Hey, hanging out, man. Good to see you. How's life? How we feeling? Saw you no knee brace yesterday, first day of workouts. The internet was pumped. Is everything good? Yeah, everything's good. It was good to be back

with the guys. It was good to show them that I've been running around. Holy shit, Vaughn. Working out and doing all the cool stuff with my guys. It's good to be back, though. Bro, go back and pause that thing whenever. Keep going, keep going a little bit. Bro, there's like a ball in the front of your quad.

Yeah, what the hell? Is that the hurt leg? Which leg did you hurt? It's the right one. It's the right one. But I've been working on them both. I've been working on them both. How are you feeling?

I didn't know you had big legs like that. I thought you had little stick legs. That's why you're so – I thought that's why you were so quick. I didn't know. I had no idea that you had – I mean, he's – hey, you're yawked up down there, dude. You feel healthy? What percentage do you think you're back at right now? I would probably say I'm like – I would say I'm 65%.

I don't think I'm ready to do active football drills yet, but I'm running, I'm jogging around, doing some playo stuff. I should be ready to go. Whenever it's time for them to call up on me, I should be ready to go. You always go to OTAs. I think everybody talks about how great of a teammate you are. What is important about OTAs, and what are the Buffalo Beals doing right now at OTAs?

Do you think that actually matters? You know, honestly, it's a lot of talk about not really needing the OTAs, and I'm sure you can make the argument. I'm sure the coaches will make the argument that you need to be there, and I'm sure the players will make the argument that you shouldn't be there. I think the COVID year really showed people that we can play high-quality football without OTAs. But as it stands now, if my guys are there, I want to be there, especially early on.

And I think it's just from a leadership element, whether we need OTAs or not. If my guys are going to show up there, if Josh Allen is going to be there, the guys are going to be there, then I need to be there. I need to be there as well. It's not really about the argument from the players or the coaches. I just want to be there to show my teammates that I got their back. Okay.

I like that. You're a good teammate, bro. Quite a leader. Literally, as soon as you got to Buffalo, they were like, the addition of Vaughn, obviously on the field, he has more sacks than everybody else in the NFL right now. But off the field in the locker room, his energy is contagious. Like, as soon as they were already like a successful competitive team

with probably already noted leaders. Like, hey, this guy, this guy, this guy. So for you to drop in and be beloved as quickly as you were up there and then to showcase it, I think that says a lot about you as a human. And I assume that'll get chatted about immensely whenever your Hall of Fame conversation comes up. AJ has a question for you, though, pal. Bon, I know you're on your path to eventually be

a GM someday years down the road. Have you taken part in any of the draft process there? Have you watched any film of some of these guys coming out, like some of these edge rushers? No, I haven't watched any film. I've just been in there observing and watching the way they do business. I ask

a lot of questions. I just want to sit back and really observe, you know, what they do. We've got a great organization with the Buffalo Bills. So I want to sit back and just, you know, see how they do it. Brandon Bean has still been, you know, he's been, he's been the GOAT. You know, I could take somebody like, Hey, you know, what are we thinking about this draft? And he'll send me a, you know, a whole list of guys to look at. He'll send me, you know,

what they thinking and what I should be thinking as a GM if I'm ever in a situation, man. So I got a lot of great people that's pouring into me, man. I just feel so blessed and appreciative to have all these people helping me out. You still want to do that in the future? Yeah, I still want to do it. It's a tough job. It is a tough job, but I think I'm, I think I'm built for it. I think, uh, you know,

the type of man that I am and I think my ability to evaluate, um, not only players, but athletic trainer, athletic trainers, coaches, other front office personnel, I think I'd be great for the job for sure. Yeah. Cause every once in a while you get a, you know, a peek behind the curtain and you're like, Whoa, I don't want to do that. That looked like that would be a great time. And then you're in some of the meetings. You know, learn about't want to do that. That would be a great time. Then you're in some of these meetings. Learn about it more and more. It is a tough job.

These guys are not just sitting around picking a quarterback and going to play golf. It is a 365 day job. They don't get as many vacations as everybody else. The GM has to be the first one there. The GM is the one making all the decisions. The GM controls the trajectory of the organization. So it's a very

important job. It's very demanding, but I think it's, I think, I think I'm built for it. Yeah. There's only 32 of them too. So you gotta be great. And if you're not great, they're going to find a new one, a lot of pressure, obviously a lot of control. Shout out to you doing real life fantasy football and learning about it and still wanting to do it. On a much smaller scale, once you get a chance to see what the job is actually like, I never want to commentate games. Oh, yeah.

I just assumed that was an easy commentating games. That'd be easy. Just kind of take a couple edibles, watch the game, just doing your thing. I've done it a few times. I do not enjoy it that much at all. Not that great at it. Then you watch like Herbstreet work it.

It's like, oh, that guy's brain, he's supposed to do it. Feels like your brain, you're supposed to be an NFL general manager. Right now, just a measly old, sorry ass, potential defensive MVP player. What do you think the Beatles got to do next year to get over the hump? Obviously, this is a massive conversation because Stephon Diggs brought it up in a conversation. And Stephon Diggs is a big conversation around the Buffalo Beatles right now. If you want to tap on that, you can, if not, no big deal. But to his point, feels like everything is always going.

This year, you get hurt and it's like, DeMar Hamlin situation happens before the season happens it's like what do you think the buffalo bails need to do to take the next step and have you guys talked about that at all now that you're all back together yeah i think you know everybody kind of you know get they kind of you kind of get away from the team and you sit and reflect and you have your thoughts you know um you know that was that was dig's opinion on the football team, which is, you know, it's rightfully so. You know, he has his opinion.

You know, for other guys as well, you have your opinion on how the team went and what we can do to get over the hump. But for me, I don't think it's always about more, more, more. I don't think it's more hard work for us. We worked hard as hell. We did everything that you could possibly do. We came in early. We played our ass off during the games.

And we only lost three games during the season. Football is tough. Football is just tough. I mean, it's not that easy to win a Super Bowl. That's why it's so special when you get there. But I don't think it's more and more and more for us. I just think our perspective, I think it's just our perspective on how we go about our work,

especially when, you know, bullets start flying and everything starts going late in the season. You know, we've had a great team for a long time. We just got to get back in the playoffs and just have another shot on goal. That's all it is. You know, Messi will shoot six, seven shots a game and only hit one or two.

It's not going to happen for us each and every time, but I still feel 100% confident in our team, 100% confident in Josh Allen and the weapons that we got. Word on the street that we might be getting another big Tom weapon. We missed out on OBJ. It's another big weapon out there if you get him.

Whoa! Stephon Diggs, Dawson Knox, Damian Harris, and Cook, and all the guys that we got on offense, man, with this defense. We just picked up Taylor Rapp. He's super versatile. He can play nickel. He can play safety. Man, we got a great team coming in, man.

Everybody else in our division got better. The Jets got better. The Miami Dolphins got better. And the New England Patriots got better, and we got better as well. Okay, so what you just said there pretty big because of who you're working out with over the last couple weeks. You know, we had source. My sources said that Buffalo was still good and Baltimore was getting hot.

Yeah. That's what my sources said. Sounds like you now. I don't know if you're being a pundit or a wishful thinker or maybe a man with sources, which you would because he's been job shadowing Bean. Oh, yeah. And he's been working out, right? With the other guy.

Don't want to put you in a terrible spot, but goddamn, if anybody knew if this was going to happen, it would be the man who founded Vaughn's Vision, which has helped so many kids get glasses and eat. Vaughn, what do you know about the D-Hop situation as a close friend of D-Hop and also a man who has literally been in the war room for the Buffalo Beals with Brandon Bean at this exact time. You know, I'm always recruiting guys, especially guys that I know on and off the football field, especially the guys that I know personally. You know, like OBJ, we missed out on OBJ. He went to Baltimore.

That was great for obj he made a great decision for obj and it's a great fit for obj and he'll be a free agent again next after the after the season so you you never really know but back to what we have now you know we i'm talking to hot man and you know he wants he wants to be here who wouldn't want to play for the buffalo bills you just got to figure out the other things that come with it. And, you know, in pro football, it's not that easy to figure out the financial element of it, especially when you're a guy like DeAndre Hopkins or you're a guy like Odell Beckham. You know, I don't think it was ever a question, would they mind playing with Josh Allen here in Buffalo, winning games? I think everybody falls in love with that. I think now when you start working

out the numbers and the finances, that's where it gets tricky. But, you know, with Hop, man, I'm always optimistic, and I feel like we've got a firm grip on this one, man, and we just had to wait and see. Okay, you said a lot there. I think there's going to be quite a reaction. Oh, yeah.

Good luck out there, Buffalo Beals Mafia, and also the Baltimore Ravens fans who think they're potentially in the market for both D-Hop and OBJ because a report came out that Lamar said, could you please like just help me out a little bit? Come on. You know, it seems like every other quarterback has weapons. Could you help me out a little bit? This guy's available. This guy's available. They're allegedly making plays. Brandon Bean, though, he is not scared to pull the trigger on anything. Not at all. I'm excited to see what happens with your guy D-Hop. Pac-Man Jones has something for you, Vaughn. What's up, bro?

Pac, what up, my boy? What's going on? Hey, I got a question. I know you've been to NFLPA meetings and all that. You're probably the team head person. I don't know if you got a chance to see what the Dodgers did. The Dodgers signed, I think his name is Andrew. I can't remember his last name.

They signed him back on the team so he can get the health care. With all the stuff that D just went through in Baltimore, I'm going to say in Baltimore, in Buffalo, with all the stuff that happened on the field, do you think it's a time or will it be this next collective bargaining that we will get insurance for after football, after the seven years? Do you think it will ever happen? after football, after the seven years, do you think it would ever happen?

You know, guys have been battling with lifetime health insurance for a while now. But, you know, I think it's time, you know, especially when you see the type of things that happen on the football field. You see how dangerous it is. I think lifetime health insurance is a must in the National Football League. Now, do I believe that if you play one year in the National Football League, you get lifetime health insurance? Hell no. I think that's what the discussion should be about.

How long do you have to play to get to a point where you get lifetime health insurance? Is it four years? Is it five years? Is it six years? You know, it's a lot of guys. If you play 10 years in a league, you're going to have some type of lingering issue that you're going to have to deal with later in life.

You know, I remember Peyton Manning talking to us in the NFL meetings. He was like, guys, pay attention. You know, file your workers comp. You know, 95 percent of players that play in the NFL have to have some type of knee or hip replacement. And you just see it go over time. And that that is true. knee or hip replacement. And then you just see it go over time. And that, that is true.

So lifetime health insurance should be a must, especially on the, especially in the next part, the next collective bargaining agreement. I think 100% amongst other issues that we have lifetime health insurance should be a must on his next collective bargaining. Great question. Pack and Duvon, are you NFL PA president?

Are you in there? I'm the rep for the Buffalo Bills. Proud rep for the Buffalo Bills. Let's go. I'll tell you what. That's interesting. That's big for us. We need the big name players in there. Because I'm guilty. We need the quarterbacks. We need the quarterbacks. We need

Patrick Mahomes. We need Joe Barrow. We need Jalen Hurts. We need Herbert. We need all of these guys. We need Joe Barrow. We need Jalen Hurts. We need Herbert. We need all of these guys. We need Tua. Just think if Tua is on the NFLBA board.

If these guys come together and they say, hey, we don't like playing on artificial turf, what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, exactly. That's the MBPA, right? The MBPA has all the power hitters, maybe Supergrass as well. Might be able to make that happen. But Tua learned how to fall because he's been working with a jiu-jitsu instructor. That literally just came out today.

That literally just came out today, like within the last 45 minutes. So shout out to you, great host of the show. You can do anything. You can do absolutely anything. But I fall. I am one of the assholes that did this. I'd like to nominate Pat McAfee to be an NFL PA rep. And Pat, do you

accept? Absolutely not. No way do I want to be a part of this whole thing. Like, the person that recommended me was doing it just to be a fucking asshole. Like, it is not a desired job in the NFL to be a part of the NFL. You know what the crazy thing is? You know, this is

my first trip being a player rep, right? I've always been like an alternate or I've always been involved. But being the official rep for the team, this is my first year doing it. And it's honestly not a lot of hard work. It's not hard work at all. Yeah, but every ex-player hates you. Every ex-player hates you. Just what Pac just asked right there.

Hey, do you want to sign up to be a rep for this thing? Oh, what does it come with? Well, you get a chance to go to a meeting. Maybe change the league. Also, every single time you run into an X player, they're going to tell you how much you fucked them. And everything's like, oh, okay, great. I think I'm going to stay on it.

It's not that much. It's not a lot of hard work. You listen in on calls. You give your opinion. It's probably a call every two to three weeks. The call probably lasts 20 minutes. And honestly, it's just the name power to be able to help our NFLPA. It's just the guys being able to help our NFLPA make decisions to make our league safer,

to make our league better. I would be hurt, man. I would be hurt, and I would have so much regret if my sons got into the National Football League 20 years from now, and we're still dealing with the same issues, if we're still fighting over guaranteed contracts, quarterbacks still not getting paid, if it's still like all of these, if we're still fighting over OTAs and all the small stuff. Like, I would have so much regret that I didn't use the time that I had

to make a difference in the National Football League. And that's really all it's about for me. I done played in two Super Bowls. I've been on three teams. I done did so much more. And now it's about how can I make the game better after I'm gone. You're a good person for that. We need more people to do that, like, that are at your level.

Because then I think – Quarterbacks. Okay, I agree. But also, like, Odell Beckham Jr. I mean, that's – Yeah, sure. Not that Baltimore is immediately going to put him as a player rep because he's there, but a brand that big, a businessman that big, like –

Can't hurt. Him being there saying, yeah, I'm also with these guys. Like, that is a big deal. I think that's what basketball has. That's why they have leverage over everything. The basketball, the basketball negotiations, they get done a year early with more money.

The NBA, the NBA, the NBA PA, they got LeBron James as a rep. They got, I think Chris Paul, Chris Paul is the president. Yeah.

And they got all the stars on there. And they, then they came up with the super max. Then they came with the super max, like six or seven years ago, came up with the super max then they came with the super max like six or seven years ago came with the super max and you see these guys getting paid like we gotta have our stars on there too we gotta have our big name stars on there too to get um that same you know uh type of deal for our guys here in the nfl like we got a bigger league it's the most powerful league most uh um we we make the most money out of any other league in the history of sports.

We got to have our NFLPA. Our NFLPA definitely has to be on top for sure. We need to be creative over there too, business-wise. Because we're creating opportunities, I think, for players, ex-players. I think there's growth that could happen there. And the insurance thing feels so easy. With how many insurance companies market with the NFL. That feels so easy. Now, granted, I guess it's expensive, but marketing with the NFL is expensive.

It feels like we should be able to make that happen. Hopefully, we'll be able to do it. And hopefully, guys that play, you know, eight years are in the – Yeah. In the – They get up to eight years, man. Come on, lifetime. We just started the Mark Hamlin situation.

We just started the Mark Hamlin situation. We see guys get hurt each and eight years, man. Come on. Lifetime. We just started the Martin Hamlin situation. We just started the Martin Hamlin situation. We see guys get hurt each and every year, man. Like, eight years, eight to ten years. Like, those guys got to get lifetime health insurance. Eight to 20 years, yeah. Same thing. Eight to 14. You know what I mean?

What year is this for you, Vaughn? I'm going on year 13. Dang. Congratulations. Not easy. Not easy at all. Connor has a question for you, Vaughn? I'm going on year 13. Dang it. Congratulations. Not easy. Not easy at all. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Vaughn, obviously earlier in the offseason,

Leslie Fraze, you took a step away for a little bit, and you've spoken on that, and everything's good there. With these last couple days being in the building, has there been any sort of movement on who is going to be the leader of the defense off the field? Obviously, you're the guy on the field, but as far as calling plays, is there any movement on that yet? Coach McDermott will be the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills.

You know, he really got his name in the league, calling great defenses and calling great defensive games. Got his head coaching opportunity from being able to run great defenses with the Carolina Panthers. I think he was in Philly too with the Philadelphia Eagles. He did a great job there. And yeah, he's going to be our, he's going to be our defensive coordinator. I'm excited about it.

I've been on teams before where I head coach, you know, Pat, we was on, we was on teams before where I head coach was the defensive coordinator and they were still able to get the job done. So I don't think it'd be, I don't think it'd be a tough, I don't think it'd be a tough transition for Coach McDermott. I'm pretty excited about it. What was Pac like as a teammate? Pac was dope, man.

I love Pac, man, man. We used to play boot raid. We used to hang out, man. He'd come over to any casino night that I had, any of my parties, man. He was the vet in the locker room. He was the enforcer in the locker room. You don't want to fuck with Pac, man. You don't want to make him mad either, man. You don't vet in the locker room. He was the enforcer in the locker room. You don't want to fuck with Pac-Man. You don't want to make him mad either, man.

You don't want to make him mad. He was our OG in there, man. But the energy that he had going into games like when Pac-Man said he's going to lock down somebody, Pac-Man said this. You just had this confidence about you that you got Pac-Man Jones on your team and we're about to go face somebody else we can't lose. That's how I feel. Hell yeah, Pac.

Pac, that's a legacy, dude. Hey, AJ, what was it like having Pac as a teammate? Very similar situation, honestly. I told you day one when Pac came out here. I know you're trying to set me up to have something not as well-versed as Vaughn said about him, so I'm not going to take the time,

but Pac knows how I feel about him. Don't have to be so defensive. I'm going to tag you, and We're trying to put over Pac. We're just trying to let everybody know, hey, Pac, he's been like that in here, too. It's been incredible. He's been in our building three times a week for the last two months or whatever.

It's been fantastic, Vaughn. Good energy. Hey, you need good energy in the building. Bad energy can drain the whole fucking place, Vaughn. 100%. You got one guy in there, one cancerous guy, Hey, you need good energy in the building. Bad energy can drain the whole fucking place, Con. Mm-hmm. 100%. You got one guy in there, one cancerous guy, and it just drains everybody, man. It might not happen the first day, but over time, late in the season, everybody be drained out, man. But fortunately, I've had great teammates my whole entire career, man.

And I think the type of guy that I am, I go out my way to learn about my teammates, to get to know them, to earn their trust. I feel like that's why I have never had a bad teammate in the locker room because I go out my way to be a good teammate to these guys. I think it's reciprocated. Glue guy. Glue guy. All over the place.

Go ahead, AJ. What do you think about Draymond getting suspended again? Do you think he deserves that? Guy had a hurt sternum. Guy had a hurt sternum. Dude grabbed his leg. Was it on purpose? Do you think it was on purpose?

He was trying to get away from the dude. He could have stomped him much harder. But the dude had his leg and the choke. Rear naked choke on his leg. You know what I mean? I thought he went easy. I thought Draymond went easy. He could have absolutely springboarded off that dude's chest.

Did we expect that guy to break his sternum, though, too? I don't think – that's like the good little – that's a good little cherry on top of the whole story, I think, you know? I think that's a good little – I don't think it's on purpose, man. Well, you know, NBA, you know, their rules are a little bit different, man. And I know on TV, when you've got all these people watching, man, and you've got all these fans watching,

I'm sure they felt like they had to do something. You know, they had to discipline Draymond in some way. But, you know, I don't know, man. Basketball, you know, basketball is a little bit different than football. And I saw what Paul George said, too. Paul George said that, you know, football guys wouldn't be able to play basketball, but he thinks there's some basketball guys that can play football. Like, I don't know about that, man.

What, because that happens right there? Because that situation? I don't know, man. 100%.% like we got some athletic guys in here we you seen the way DK Metcalf jumps and moves like he definitely play basketball he can play basketball in football and there's some guys when he when you put the pads on you start hitting the game is a little bit different it's not like I know Paul George said have you seen you know Russell Wilson I mean Russell Westbrook run down the paint. Like, when you put pads on and you're running to other people,

like, it's just a different world. Yeah, but you guys should see me in virtual reality boxing. That's right. You know, in virtual reality boxing, there's no fear at all of getting hit. I'm wide open. I mean, I am. I think it's what you're saying. Like, NBA, yeah, it's, you know, baseline to baseline.

We're wide open. No thoughts of anybody taking you out. But both sports are two tough sports. That's right. That's right. Well said, Vaughn.

Way to bring that whole thing home there at the end. Think about Miles Garrett playing in this fucking thing. Yes. You know what I mean? Just think about his big ass underneath.

Yeah. He can, you know, he always has that, he puts that, like, thirst trap post out. Yeah. Where he's shirtless. Yep. Drenched.

Mm-hmm. And then he's just fucking dunking on little white Ohio kids. Going through his legs. Like a pickup basketball game out there. It's like, God damn, that human is vastly different than me. You know what I mean? That guy and I were not created the same. I think he.

I think Miles Garrett warmed up with the Cleveland Cavaliers in summer league. He did something with the Cleveland Cavaliers. He warmed up with them. Miles Garrett is one of those guys, too, that can play both sports. He could probably play both sports at a high level, too.

Look at that fucking thing, dude! What are we talking about? Could you imagine being... I guess you do, Vaughn. Jesus. Vaughn, you a good basketball player? Nope. I ain't got nothing for you, man. I play golf and football.

That's it. Nope. I suck at basketball. I'm terrible at basketball. I got five good fouls for you, man. I'm going to go sit on your bed. That's a good teammate. Connor has something for you. I'm sorry. good fouls for you, man, and I'm going to go sit on your bed. That's a good teammate. There you go. That's a good teammate. Connor has something for you.

I'm sorry, Ty has something for you, Vaughn. Yeah, Vaughn, there was a quote recently from Josh Allen that basically said, like, now as he's getting older, he understands that he needs to be a quarterback first and a football player second. Is that like a discussion around the facility, and how hard is it when you understand, like, how good of a runner he is? But are you guys telling him, like, hey, Josh hey josh listen like we know you're an unbelievable runner

okay but we don't need you getting your fucking block knocked off like eight to ten times a game josh was just saying that just for the media to now me knowing josh for a little bit like josh was just saying that because that's what people want to hear. Josh is going to do whatever it takes to win the game. Like, that's just how he's wired. That's just who he is. Like, Josh is going to do whatever it takes to win the game. Like, if it means, you know, throwing the ball 70 yards, he'll do it. If it means laying out for that first down, he'll do it. And I'm not about to, what do I look like trying to give Josh Allen tips to play quarterback better? Like, you know, that's just not my lane. But, you know, I'm sure Josh is aware that he has to be, you know,

safe, he has to be healthy for his teammates. I'm 100% sure that he is aware of that. And I think, you know, he thinks about those type of things too. You know, he wants to play, you know, 15, 20, 22 years. You know, he wants to do the same thing, too. But at the same time, he wants to win games. And the number one thing on Josh Ellis' mind right now is winning the Super Bowl. And to have a guy like that and going out there and practicing just brings the most out of everybody, man.

So I'm sure that he's conscious of, you know, playing a little bit safer. But, man, when it's time to win games, he's going to be Josh Ellis every time. Yeah, now you know playing a little bit safer but man when it's time to win games he's gonna be josh helen every time yeah now i know josh a little bit he was fucking lying right through his teeth i love that even more like because he probably gets asked about that so much all the time that he was like all right i'm gonna come up with an answer for him early put this thing to bed well i understand now now that I'm getting older, you know, you guys have been right. I'll be a QB first. And then football player second.

And I'll remember that. I'll be at the forefront of my mind every time I take a snap. And then the reaction on the internet was, Josh Allen is maturing. That's amazing. Go ahead, Tone. Vaughn, we had George Kittle on a little bit a couple weeks ago talking about tight end university

and how basically they were going to have fun there. They were probably going to booze, and they were going to work on blocking the edge. I know you got the Pass Rush Summit. Is that coming up? Is everyone invited? What are you guys doing there? The Pass Rush Summit, June 10th in Las Vegas.

This will be my seventh Pass rush summit that I've had. Got all the guys coming out. Of course, I invite all the top guys each and every year. I invite the guys that's on their way up. I invite the rookies. I invite the top college pass rushers as well. And we have some high school guys there as well. So we're still going. We're still

pushing, man. We've had everybody come through there from Miles Geary, Khalil Mack. We haven't had the Watts yet, but I'm working on trying to get jj what and tj what they're here i'm trying to find a way that i can get you know some money to pay these guys you know get these guys here or figure it out let's figure it out it's not a pass it's not a pass for a summit unless you have tj white there aaron donald there you know a cameron jordan there a lot of times so even though it's the best, I think sometimes, especially the top guys in the league, it's misinformation about the Pass Rush Summit.

It's not the Von Miller teach clinic. This is just a space that I created where we can all come and talk, get into the quarterback. We all speak the same language. And this is really the only spot um in the world where you can get all the guys together and talk pass rush and talk chip blocks and i've had doug flutie there i've had you know quarterbacks come in and chime in and you know give us their point of view on how to rush the quarterback better so this is the only

place in the world where we can do this man and i've been fortunate to have seven of them been fortunate to have you know all of my top colleagues come through, man. Hopefully, this year will be no different. Yeah, let's get the Watts out there. Let's make some content out there. Let's get a sponsor to make some content. Doug Flutie, get Nugenics. The Flutie Flakes, boom! And Nugenics,

boom! And the video game. And boom! And now we got everybody. You can't take that yet. I don't think what it's doing to make hurt there. Seriously. I don't think you've – what it's doing to Big Hurt there. Yeah, seriously. You know, I don't think you're allowed to touch that stuff just yet. You're going to have to wait until you're a GM. Alongside the Pass Rush Summit, June what?

June 10th. That's awesome. Congratulations. In Las Vegas. And, you know, we had talked some football too, man. You know, we had a little tequila too, man. Why? We're going to hang out, man.

We're going to hang out and talk ball. You smell me? I do like the fact that you said, hell yeah, I do like the fact that you said some of these guys think that this is like Vaughn Miller teaching you. That's not what this is. I assume that you've heard that from people

where TJ Walker's, I'm going to fucking go and listen to Vaughn Miller tell me what I need to do. Is that what you think potentially happened or that was the narrative that got out? No, no, I just, you know, now that I'm thinking, I like to think from all perspectives, man,

and I like to think if I was a guy and I'm getting invited, what would be the one knock for me not to go? And that's really the only thing that I could come up with because it's a free weekend in Vegas. You know, it's really not even about me. It's really about getting a young pastor. It's really about getting Aiden Hutchinson around TJ Watt or Aiden Hutchinson around Cameron Jordan.

If we can pick up one thing from each other, man, that's what the Password Summit is all about. Or around Vaughn Miller. I know you're trying to do the whole it's not just me thing, but you're a pretty big part of it, pal. Before we let you go, we have to chat about not only Vaughn Miller Day happened next Saturday in DeSoto, Texas. Hell yeah.

Yes, sir. Should be a great time. Appreciate you guys. No, no problem. Next Saturday. What – okay, so that's just – people are just showing up. It's a block – are we having a block party? What is the setup here for Vaughn Miller Day?

So this is a big picnic. It's not a football camp or anything like that. You see we got Canes on there. We got Hutchins Barbecue, Williams Chicken. We got our Crawfish guys out there, man. We got Smokey Joe's. Man, we got all of my favorite food spots in Dallas, man. It's just a big picnic where we hang out.

We got the bounce houses for the kids. We got activities for the kids. I sign autographs for everybody, man. It's really just... You remember the 90s movies? Those 90s movies where they had the picnic in the city at the park? That's all it is, man. And it's really just, but you remember the 90s movies, like those 90s movies where they had like the picnic in the city at the park. That's all it is, man,

in my hometown. Who's playing music? I got DJs out there. I got DJ Trill. He'll be there playing music. DJ Trill! Okay. Trill's out there in DeSoto

next Saturday. That sounds like a great time. And then you got Vaughn's vision. So you got Pass Rush on June 10th. Yep. You got Vaughn Miller Day next Saturday in DeSoto, Texas time and then you got von's vision so you got pass rush on at june 10th yep you got von miller day next saturday in desoto texas you got von's vision that we read up on today five million dollars worth of glasses have been given away in like 19 different cities over 9 000 recipients of of glasses that aren't just like hey here's some things you can staple on your face, like high-fashion great glasses

from somebody who has worn glasses publicly where some people could be a little bit self-conscious about as kids. You're changing the world, bro. You're doing great things. How can we help with Vaughn's vision? Man, right now, just getting the word out, that's great, man. Allow me to come on your show and promote Vaughn's vision um if anybody else wants to know more information you can go to vonmiller.org

and everything about my foundation is on there it started out by wanting to help one or two kids and you know to help 9 000 kids and raise over five million dollars man like i'm humbled and blessed man i'm gonna keep doing it i'm gonna keep'm going to keep doing it until the wheels fall off, man. And it's just, I just feel so humbled and blessed to be involved with Von's Vision and to have all the people that back me and that back my vision as well. Gig'em Gala there, April. I mean, dude, you're a nonstop machine just trying to give back as much as possible. Have you always been like this or like why why do you think you're like this oh i think i think i just had great vets around me man when i came into the league when i came into the league tim tim tim tebow was our quarterback and he

invited me out of point to point vidra florida um for the tim tebow foundation and it was like a we played at tpc sawgrass during the day it was a golf tournament then we had the event at night and i saw all the things that he was doing. He was building a hospital in the Philippines and he was changing lives and saving lives. And he was doing all types of things. I'm like, man, I want to be like Tim Tebow. I want to be like everybody else in the world. I want to be like Tim Tebow and I want to have this type of impact too. Well, I'm not Tim Tebow and I can't build hospitals in the Philippines, but I was just sitting down like signing autographs one day and I took off my glasses and I was like,

man, that's it. I'm going to start Vons Vision. I'm going to give back contacts, LASIK surgery, and pretty much everything to do with vision and the eyes back to underprivileged kids. And people got behind me and the rest is history. Yeah. It's amazing because it's something that I assume not a lot of people have focused on helping. So you giving back in a meaningful way to you and also in ways that probably haven't been helped in the past is huge. I had LASIK.

I had terrible eyes. I had contacts there for a bit. Before I had contacts, I just had to do this everywhere I was. I couldn't even see anything. See, I was the kid. I was the kid. I couldn't even see anything. See, I was the kid. I was the kid. I had one pair of glasses. I was here for it.

I had one pair of glasses. And you can just imagine, eight-year-old Vaughn falling asleep. And I fall asleep with my glasses on. I roll over on them, and they're flat. I wake up in the morning, my glasses flat. My mom has to fix them. She would tape them up and super glue them up. And I have to go to school looking like that. So from early on, I knew how it felt to have those type of problems.

And those were the people that I really wanted to help. And it just reminds me of that great Uncle Ben quote. Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility on Spider-Man. And that just stuck with me. We have a huge platform here in the NFL. We're playing the greatest league in the history of the world. You've got to be able to give back, man. You've got to do something for your people, for sure.

You're a good man, Vaughn. We're lucky that we've gotten to know you a little bit. We hope to continue to do so. Good luck with Vaughn Miller Day. Good luck getting from 65% to 100% here on the knee. And good luck in your quest for another Super Bowl and a GM job at some point. You're the man, pal.

Hey, man. Pat, AJ, man, Pac, man. All of you guys, man. I appreciate you guys for allowing me to come out here, man. And I ain't going nowhere. As long as we got a Pat McAfee show, I'll be here, baby. Let's do it. Hell yeah. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Vaughn Miller. That makes sense.

I wanted to be like Tim Tebow. Yeah. There you go. It makes sense now. Because Tim Tebow is like this fictional character pretty much. Pretty much. And then you meet him, it's like, no, he's really like that. Holy fuck.

First vet. And then Vaughn Miller is like, there's no way you can do that much. Now he's got four events coming up while rehabbing a knee and also being a leader and trying to become a GM. It's like some people are just different, man. He's a fucking good guy. Yeah, great guy. Unbelievable teammate too, man.

He throws some fucking good parties too, Pat. I've heard, yeah. We've all heard. Great party. Yeah, we've heard about him, Pat. Yeah, we've heard some people that chose to leave in certain fashions. I've heard it's a great party. Yeah, I think I was at that party when that guy left.

Good teammate. Great teammate. I love that guy. That's my boy. It was a hell of a night, man. Yeah, Vaughn, I'm saying, though, the guy that holds the parties, good teammate. Great teammate. So I used to have a gathering after training camp in West Virginia.

And, you know, there was a Rich Rodriguez quote to the team at the beginning of one of the training camps. It said, no motherfucking parties. All right?

And he like yelled at me or whatever. So we had a team chemistry building barbecue. We didn't have a party. Those parties, though, are a massive team chemistry builder.

Like when you see somebody for the first time outside of the facility, maybe a little boozed up a little bit in how they act, like how you look at them for the rest of the year is going to be different. You're like much closer now. You are a closer team at that point. I think those are essential. Now, granted, got to be healthy, got to be safe,

got to do all that type of stuff. But like Vaughn being the one that takes it upon himself to host that and make it a big deal, I think it's just another indicator of him being a teammate and wanting the team to have as much fun and be as close as possible. Yeah, and that was on the field and off the field, not just off the field, but on the field. He was the first one there. He held meetings, you know, every Friday,

bringing extra food in for whatever the guys wanted to eat. He said strong possibility, strong possibility. Buffalo. Yeah. Buffalo. Big deal. Now he's been selling though hard, remember that? Yes. Imagine D-Hop and Buffalo. That'd be a great team for D-Hop. He's already looked at the camera and gone,

remember? I remember. See, I mean, from what we're hearing today from the show, it's either Buffalo or Baltimore, huh? Or KC. KC. KC. KC.

Okay. Check it out. KC. What about the Colts? It doesn't sound like that. Can't rule them out, though. Listen, me and Ty were talking about this. The Colts haven't really done shit this offseason, okay?

Signed a brand new head coach. Shout out him. I think he'll be on the show Friday. Oh, here we go. Shane Steichen, I believe, will be on the show Friday. Cannot wait to meet him. That is a big deal. We did make a move.

But whenever you talk about roster, Gardner Minshew, really the only. Well, he traded Stephon Gilmore, too. Yeah, we got rid of Stephon Gilmore. We signed Gardner Minshew. But roster, we haven't really done seemingly much. But the whole conversation is number four overall, number four overall, number four overall. So that's kind of been a distraction. We were talking about the Packers earlier.

The only conversation the Packers have is they're losing Aaron Rodgers going to Jordan Love. Haven't made many moves at all. This is a big-time draft for the Packers. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, really, the big thing was Keyshawn Nixon. They resigned him. It was him it was like hey they're gonna let the the one good returner they've had in the last 10 years they're gonna let him go but then yeah the rogers thing has just kept him in limbo like they've had more money going into an offseason than they have in i since

i can remember but they couldn't do anything because rogers is still there and like now they have kind of i don't want to say back themselves into a corner but it is kind of like a need to nail the draft this year well colts are gonna have to do the same because we're talking about colts are gonna have to do well in the draft right like colts are gonna have to do good in the draft if we want to get better from a team that is now the number four overall pick which followed a year in which we didn't make the playoffs because we lost in clinton jacksonville right it's like you would think that you'd make a lot of plays it's like like got to hit the draft. And then the Packers, same exact conversation because they've had no money to use.

But then we hear from Ian Rappaport that the Packers and Jets haven't talked. So you haven't talked about potentially getting that deal done, which is holding up $60 million in free cap space, you'd assume. And then also you haven't really signed many free agents. It's like all eyes are on the draft right now, it appears, in Green Bay. Good luck out there. And they're kind of in the same position because i'm sure they're thinking is like well we we could have a franchise quarterback in jordan love so like that would be like the big move it's like they're signing exactly like okay we have our guy going going

ahead into the future but like the colts like you know depending on who they pick like do we even know if that guy is going to start the first year like you might not even have that like oh okay we found our guy for the future right away so like that it is it's really weird like at this point like the Packers I could I could see them winning six games and I could see them you know winning nine eleven why not exactly like winning 10 games and competing to win the division speaking of predictions AJ a couple things coming out of West Virginia University this morning ESPN's FBI predicted F, which I don't know what that means. Football Power Index. Okay, that seems real.

And I'm sure on College Game Day I'll act like it is at some point. So let's treat it as if it's real. You know, because those things matter when games actually take place. And the only reason why I say that is because for 70% of my football career, I had no idea where the football was going. So if the FBI can figure out where I'm putting a football and I don't even know where it's going, like, okay, good luck. But it is nice to see projections.

They say West Virginia is going to win two games this year. We're going to be 2-10 is what the ESPN FBI said. That's football. They said 2-10, Pac-Man. The FBI seems to be a hater. Done it. Tough schedule. FBI seems to be.

Wait, which two teams are they going to beat? That's a tough schedule. I could see them going to week 10. Penn State, week one. Not the Dukes in week two, I can tell you that. Dukes in week, there's two already. Then we're losing 10 straight. Probably.

I don't even know this. No way. Let's pivot away from the football team, though. The ESPN FBI clearly has something against you. Definitely. Fuck. A little glitch in the system. No, probably not.

I bet it was one of those AIs where you download the coach's photo and then they decide. Yeah. Or like typed in doofus on the AI thing and it spit out a picture of Neil Brown. What is your guy's problem? I saw a guy give a speech yesterday. He had notes and a paper. What's your guy's problem? Well, what's your guy's problem? I don't know. a speech yesterday. He had notes and a paper. What's your guy's problem? Well, what's your guy's problem?

I don't know. I feel like the notes in the paper, that does seem... All coaches have... Now, you don't even see... Bill Belichick's spinning the fucking thing and then writing the thing all day, every day. Do you have a bowl cut and a visor on, too? Because that's really the thing I can't get over. Oh, my God.

Pack. They're with the FBI. These guys are probably the ones who wrote the... The God. Pack. They're with the FBI. These guys are probably the ones who wrote the... The FBI. Yeah. Pac-Man knows. He wrote the code. You said chip on the shoulder.

We're taking that FBI chip out of the fucking computer saying you aren't worth a thing unless we get... There it is. There's a photo, actually, they used. And they were like, oh, okay. That's not a football coach. That guy works at Davis. Well, hold the phone.

I didn't know he was wearing croquis, too. Yes. He's from the South. Okay. Come on, man. That's not a football coach. That guy works at Davis. Well, hold the phone. I didn't know he was wearing croquis, too. Yes. He's from the South. Okay. Come on, man. 1-11. This isn't what I wanted to talk about, though, especially with A.J. Hawk.

I just wanted to get past this conversation. A.J., could you imagine if Ohio State was predicted to win two games? Like, that would never happen. No chance. That's where West Virginia is. It'd be tough. Wait, how many of you got big money? That's why.

Yeah. We're getting our money in. Yeah, but before the whole money thing, too, it was fucking. Yeah, you guys have been dead for years. You know what I mean? It was problematic. Morning time, West Virginia. ESPN's Football Power Index is a measure of team strength

that is meant to be best predictor of a team's performance going forward for the rest of the season. Okay, a lot of words. Here's how. 9% chance to win at Penn State. That's generous. What do you think? You got to win week two, right?

You got to make sure you win week two. We're definitely winning week two. Maybe. We're taking out all of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh 50-50. We'll win week three. Tell them to fucking line up Carnegie Mellon in week four. Okay?

That's another school in downtown Pittsburgh. We'll take them on as well. Bobby Moe, week five. Bingo. Give us Walley's Robert Morris. Have them show up. We'll take them on as well. Bingo. Give us Walley's Robert Morris. Have them show up. We'll take them down. And then the other one, the art school down at Point Park.

Put them on there. We'll take out the whole fucking city of Pittsburgh and all the universities if we have to. Point BYU, though, that'd be a huge win. So BYU, we got a 63% chance to beat them. That's the only other favorable Cincinnati 49.7. I mean, UCF only 19%. BYU, we got a 63% chance to beat them. That's the only other favorable. Cincinnati, 49.7. I mean, UCF, only 19%.

UCF's got fucking John Rhys Plumlee, a quarterback, plays baseball, plays football. He did that the other day. Oh, yeah. 2-10 is solid. That's a tough score. That is a brutal score. It's a really hard score. Yeah, if you're going to win a title, you got to fucking beat everybody anyway.

That's right. 2-10. TCU is in the national championship. Well, I hate to break it to TCU, but right there, September 30th. On my birthday. Happy birthday, Pat. Happy birthday. We're going to whoop that ass.

Yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah, we are. Of course. You seem super confident. TCU's a big team. Remember I seen them? Real big team. They are big. They lost their losing part of it. No Max, Doug. Yeah, no Doug. Yeah, but remember, the last game they played, they lost by 55. I don't want to hear it.

True. Now, granted, they made it to the National Championship. If West Virginia were to play Georgia, they'd lose by 100. I don't want to talk about the football team. That might be a by 100. I don't want to talk about that. That might be a little situation. I don't want to talk about the football team anymore. Okay, they're working hard over there.

Trust the climb. They got Blaine Stewart coaching over there. They're going to be just fine. Sure. Coach Stewart's going to figure it out. They had a super cool picture of him posing yesterday while he was coaching. Looked like it was right out of a coach's manual. Nice.

Love that. Blaine Stewart's going to figure it out. Okay, we love Blaine. Love you, Blaine. Love you, Blaine Stewart's going to figure it out. Okay, we love Blaine. Love you, Blaine. Love you, Blaine. Everybody does. Need at least three to four, five, six, seven, eight wins. Can't beat two in ten pounds.

Hold on to that. Let's talk about another sport down in West Virginia. December, West Virginia basketball team will be playing against who? The Ohio State Buckeyes. Wow. December 30th in Cleveland. What? Wow. December 30th in Cleveland. Neutral site.

Nice. West Virginia will be – why are we doing it in Cleveland? Real neutral. Why are we doing it in Cleveland? I don't know. Probably some sort of ceremonial thing. But we're taking on Ohio State. I want to let you know, AJ, this program, depending on what day that is,

how exhausted we are, we'll definitely be making a trip to that game if we are able. Okay. I do believe, and I don't want to bring an umbrella here, but I assume the college football national championship semis, you might be on site there. On that day? Is it on January 1st? Is it December 31st?

Yeah, would it be 30th or 31st? It's always the New Year's Eve now. What day of the week is that? Yeah, because it could be Sunday if it's Sunday, no matter what. Why are we acting like you're going to plan something this far out? Because we're talking about it. It's Saturday. We'll be there.

We are talking about it. We're going to forget about it. It's Saturday. We'll be there. Oh, so that probably is game day. December 30th? That probably is the playoffs. We're not even going to know college basketball is happening on December 30th.

No! West Virginia, Ohio State! I'd love to see Bob Huggins coach. See, that's what I'm talking about. West Virginia is what's bringing this fucking Ohio State grad to that game. People need to recognize him. If Ohio State's in the semis, there's no way AJ is going to that. Oh yeah, he'll be taking that futurely broken into sprinter van to whatever city

the college football playoff is in. Exactly. If they can make it back. Yeah, we'll see. New QB. New QB. Who's the quarterback? No longer Quinn Ewers. I don't know yet, man. I don't know yet. What'd you see? McCord, though. McCord is Marvin Harrison Jr.'s

high school quarterback, so he's probably the frontrunner right now. Is he good? Yeah, of course. Of course. He's at Ohio State. He's at Ohio State. Dude, they are so good at football.

I don't know how good. I mean, let's see how he does in games, but, yeah, he's a stud. AJ, do you feel obligated to be a little bit more respectful to the school that you graduated from now that they give you that prestigious award? No. I don't feel any pressure from from them to be biased any any all of my my biases biases whatever however you want to say it

are natural because of my experience there and my continued experience hell yeah oh oh what oh i thought it was the oh i already. See, you don't know because he never does it. That's right. And he just won the Face of Ohio Award. And he's still leaving ducks. I gave it back to multiple people at that thing, actually, as I was walking. Hey, IO, buddy. Yeah, here we go.

Hit the rock. Got to give a speech. Yeah, they give me a word. Hey, hey. Like Nicholson giving thumbs ups. Let's go to some phone calls on the 5RNG phone line. Me and Phil giving the thumbs up. What do you you mean you think live survives another two three years well i don't know their uh ratings on cw are out of this world so maybe what's this guy's deal they've been dominating where they get they're getting like 20 000 people watching this

thing yeah there's more people watching reruns of an OC episode from nine years ago. Good show. Great show. Unbelievable show, which I get it. Do people know that CW still is... I could not find CW right now. Where would it be? Exactly. You say, hey, Pat, you got four minutes to find a CW.

I don't know if I could do it. Right above NBC. Where? Above? Yep. On what? Like Hulu. I don't think it's on Hulu.

Is it on YouTube TV? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know if it's on there. Where am I going to? I got to go. Cable. I got to go direct TV.

Yep. X-Vanity. Okay, so if I don't have that download, I'm fucked. You're done. I got no four minutes. Nope. Because they're going to give me a window of 14 hours two weeks from now to put that in. Exactly.

That helps for the next two weeks. Hulu actually, I think, does have CW. No way. Some of their shows that they have. Riverdale. Yeah, are on the CW. Okay, so maybe I do find it for a minute. Maybe.

Live Golf, Trending Now, CW. Okay, they got Superman and Lois. Oh, yeah. YouTube TV has CW. I found a show. YouTube TV does CW. I found a show. YouTube TV does? Yeah. Look at The Rock.

Empire State. Is it a show? That's a movie. That's his newest movie. It's doing really, really well. That's a new movie? It's not a new movie. That was actually a direct-to-DVD movie, which is...

Oh, The Rock has made direct-to-DVD movies. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Tooth Fairy, too. It's not DVD. Streaming. They all do direct-to-stream. Oh, it was in theaters. Oh, okay. Weoth Fairy, too. Not DVD. Streaming. Now we're doing right to stream, though. Oh, it was in theaters.

Oh, okay. We got to watch Empire State. Speaking of watching a movie, can somebody grab Billy McComas? Oh, yeah. Billy McComas represented our entire office last night at a screener. Yep. We were offered a screener from a studio. Look out.

We're in. Yeah, of course. We're offered a screener from a studio for a new movie coming out. Nobody was able to make it at the time that I scheduled, including me. So 100% my fault. But Bailey McComas went, and he has a full breakdown on it. He also had a full theater to himself. So Bill McComas is living a high life right now.

The movie was called what, Bill? Sisu. S-I-S-U. Correct. The movie was called what, Bill? Sisu. S-I-S-U. Correct. The movie is by who? I do not know the director's name. It's not like a notable director or anything like that. It's like a more artsy kind of film.

I thought it was What's-His-Face, the guy from I'm the Baddest Motherfucker, the wallet. Tarantino was a producer. Yeah, it's not a Tarantino-directed movie. No, it's John Maury Hellander. Okay, so I thought it was a Quentin Tarantino movie a producer. It is not. Yeah, it's not a Tarantino directed movie. No, it's John Maury Hellander. Okay, so I thought it was a Quentin Tarantino movie. Is it good? It does have some Tarantino influence in it. What does that mean, produced it?

Probably put up money. He gave money. He gave money or he's just part of it. He didn't direct it. Is it a big deal with Quentin that he only does ten movies and he's on his last one right now? He's been saying that for years. He'll fucking go until he doesn't want to. I don't know.

Directing, not producing directly yeah i do know that i in my head tarantino made this movie and then i watched the trailer and it seemed pretty tarantino-ish for sure yeah is it a good movie yeah it's a very good movie it's kind of like it's like an artsier version of john wick you know like there's an actual true story behind it it's not just i'm pointed at these people to go kill them but it is a very like brutal action-y movie. How long was the movie? It was an hour and a half, exact, I think. Okay.

And you stayed? Yeah, I stayed the whole time. Did you have popcorn? I did. They gave us their nicest medium popcorn they could. Had a baby. All right. Shout out to Sisu.

We appreciate the opportunity. Sorry not more of us were able to make it, but Bill's had glowing reviews. He did. He said it was awesome. The trailer looks awesome. Yeah, the trailer does look awesome. When does it come out, Bill? Did you do enough research? He's gone. He's glowing reviews. He did. He said it was awesome. The trailer looks awesome. Yeah, the trailer does look awesome. When does it come out, Bill? Did you do enough research?

He's gone. He's gone forever. It comes out the 28th. I'm going to see the Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Nike movie about getting Jordan. Air, yeah. Air. When's that out? It's already out right now, but it'll be on Amazon here soon.

Amazon strictly? Amazon Studios was the one that produced it, so yeah. Can't wait for all these movies that are out to be on streaming service. I can watch at home. Yeah, that would be nice. Right? Will you watch a season of a movie? They just murder people's heads. I just saw people's heads blow up. I'm not really a movie type

guy anymore. What does that mean? I watch everything at home. Did you like the movie theater? I enjoyed movie theater back in the day. I do now with the lay down seats if I go. But I only go if I take my kids though. And I fall asleep and take a nap. I max his sleep.

That's why it's nice. I max a good time. We went and saw Top Gun running out the theater. And it felt like we were in the cockpit. Exactly. So that was cool. Indiana State Museum also has one of the biggest screens in the state. In the world.

Let's go to the 500 film. Let's go to Ben in Wisconsin. What's going on, Ben? Hey, how you doing? Keep moving. I'm looking to look at some rings. I was just seeing if you guys have some advice on how to look for a ring for your girl, actually.

If it's like bring your best friend there so you have an idea actually of what to look for. Okay, so does she know that it's about time to get engaged? We've talked about it, but we've never really set a date or anything like that. All right, so here's a little curveball. She might have a Pinterest pinboard of rings that she has potentially already liked that you could potentially show the people at the jeweler interesting and say hey this is the style in which she potentially likes i only knew that because

my wife was pinning engagement rings for a couple years before we got engaged and i was shown a few you know like hey love the way this one looks. So then whenever I wanted to go purchase one, it was like this style of ring. Because I think there's different styles and eras and everything like that. So that could be a way to go about it. They say, like, you've got to use a percentage of your salary. That's bullshit. Okay?

You just get a good one out there if she doesn't have a Pinterest board. If you want to take her friend to see what she would like, I guess that's going above and beyond, and her friends will think you're super romantic. So not a bad play there either. Don't want to take her friend to see what she would like, I guess that's going above and beyond, and her friends will think you're super romantic. So not a bad play there either. Don't start anything with a friend, though. That happens. What do you mean? Someone takes a friend,

hey, here, show me what my wife would like. All of a sudden, these two are back. Hey, Ben, don't be banging your future fiance's friend. Just telling you. Ben, don't be putting that ring on your girl's friend. Don't be bopping around. Not a chance. Good guy.

All right, so he just told a friend that he's not interested, which is good. That's good. You're already ahead of it. You definitely want to get engaged? You think, yeah, now's the time? Is this the right thing to do? Yeah.

I would say after three years, I would think it's definitely time to start looking for a ring. Do you think she'll say yes? You think she's going to say yes? AJ. Yeah, absolutely, Pat. Well, AJ asked that question. Mitt got a big job.

Mitt loved it. Mitt loved that question. Do you think there's any chance at all that when you get to wedding day, she no-shows? Because I've never been to a wedding where a no-show happened but i had a friend where it happened and it wasn't the bride it was the groom oh and it was allegedly electrifying oh i bet my friend was with a lady who was on the bride's side and groom and crew just didn't show up see ya gone now terrible for bride okay tough day and the families and the wedding planner yeah

and everything like that but my my friend that was with girl he's kind of removed sure he said it was fucking awesome you know he said it was one of the wildest things he's ever been a part of the reactions from grandparents i can't imagine and the whole thing wedding band pretty crazy yeah yeah pretty crazy is there any chance that either of you no show at the wedding day because The reactions from grandparents. Oh, I can't imagine. And the whole thing. Wedding band. Pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, pretty crazy. Is there any chance that either of you no-show at the wedding day? Because that's what you've got to think about whenever you're getting engaged. Is that potential moment happening?

I want to be there. Well, I'm worried about it now, Pat. Thanks a lot. But no, I don't think I have to worry about that at all. Maybe. All right, that's good, Ben. And remember, the wedding is just a big party you're having for everybody that loves you. They're celebrating you. Good luck on the engagement.

And maybe it's a Pinterest board. We're happy for you, Ben. We're happy for you. Congrats, Ben. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Think about that. Think about being removed.

Whenever we were younger, and I guess it's never happened to you because you got married when you were 16 or whatever. But whenever you're younger and you were just invited as a plus one to somebody's wedding, that you have no idea who they are. You're just bonus member in a room that you've never fucking met. Imagine one of them not showing up.

Oh, God. Dream scenario. That'd be so awesome, AJ. That'd be so awesome. Terrible. But also, whoever no-shows is doing the other person a favor in the long run. It's better to do that than get married and then be miserable and then break up. Yeah, and I assume the flip side would be like,

before we spend all the money on this wedding, maybe we could do it then. But day off certainly builds the dramatics. Of course, you already spent the day off. Yeah. Yeah, if you know you're've got to have the respect. I'd rather spend the money on the wedding than walk out, and then ten, five years later, I don't know, I guess. Dude, could you fathom that?

Wow. Because, like, hey, imagine the bride, the whole bride side's there, and they're like, is the groom here yet? Oh, he's arriving momentarily right because they have to put the fire yeah they're already 30 minutes late oh they hit traffic they're on the way and then like 25 minutes later the bride's like so where's is this happening he's stuck in traffic where are you boston where are you i'm at mcdonald's shut up i'll be there in a second i'm in the mcdonald's three states over there. I'm going to run for it.

We love love. Absolutely. With that being said. That moment. I would love to be at one of those moments. With no feelings for anybody there. Yes. You could step up.

Con, you could step up and say, I'll do it. I'll marry you today. Like, does that happen? And then she's like, that would be awesome too. You know what you did? That's like married at first sight. I think that's a show right now. A lot of shit TV out there.

Yep. Love is blind. They couldn't even get that shit up on Netflix. Think about us every day getting alive. Yeah. Hey, way to go. Let's go, boys. Way to go back there.

Team, pipes, wires, internet. We don't have anywhere near the amount of people, but like shout out to Google being able to just handle. Netflix couldn't handle the amount of people that wanted to watch that. No. So they couldn't get live. The tech couldn't figure it out. Didn't go up that night at all.

I think they had to wait like 24 hours to put it up. So Love is Blind just yee on Chris Rock, I guess. Yeah, pretty much. People realize, I think, what was it? Mina and Mike Golick Jr. were hosting the pre-show. I think, what was it, Mina and Mike Golick Jr. were hosting the pre-show. I'm very proud that nobody from our office was internet upset about Love is Blind not going live. Oh, Foxy was beside himself.

He would be the one. He's the bachelor watcher. I was aware that it was happening. Put it that way. So was I because it was trending number one. And a lot of people on my timeline that I still have a lot of respect for were tweeting about it. What the fuck? Sure you do.

Sure you do. Sounded like you do. Yeah. You said, I sure as hell hope nobody in this studio was upset, internet upset about this. And people I follow who I have so much respect for and I still am very good friends with them. I saw them getting upset, but I'm okay with them doing it. That's what you just said. I guess that's kind of how it sounded. I was just poking around

the office's internet as that was all kind of unfolding. And I did have leaders in the clubhouse for probably and Foxy, massive Bachelor fan. They're calling this show the new Bachelor, actually. Okay, so I was like, is Foxy internet massive Bachelor fan. Yep. So had... They're calling this show the new Bachelor, actually. Okay.

So I was like, is Foxy internet mad about this? No. He was not. NBA playoffs. So then Mitt. Yeah, NBA playoffs were on. Yeah. So then Mitt, I'm like, all right, what's going on with Mitt?

Yeah. Nothing. Mitt was quiet as well at the time. I do not know if he has posted since because they were never able to get it up and live. Jersey Shore is back. So maybe if that isn't able to get uploaded, he would lose his fucking mind. But nobody from our office was

internet upset at the time in which it was taking place. I feel like I learned a lot about the boys in here. I'm neither proud nor disappointed. But it was a big win. It was a big win for everybody. I had to learn.

I learned a lot about netflix that night though no no yeah a lot of people learn a lot about a lot of people there i'm like really this is what we're so the two two live things they've done is chris rock and now this and they're allegedly getting into live sports at some point remember that's been like kind of the carrot yeah we'll see great not a great weather balloon to float out there with love is blind i I don't know, man. ESPN fucking crashed a few times. Conor McGregor over there. Yeah, sure. You know, ESPN Plus. How do you know if you have enough infrastructure buildup?

How can you possibly know? Oh, you ask the people that do the coding, and they're always the smartest people on earth, and they'll tell you the truth on what they built, on whether or not it's powerful enough. I'm sure that's how that goes, AJ. I'm sure, yeah. I can imagine. It'd be be frustrating it's much

smaller level we've been a part of a couple operations that have completely crashed boom in theory it should never crash whenever we're supposed so i asked the question bad cop asshole we're saying this is going to work yeah 100 with what we built of course you are so disrespectful for even asking okay okay all right yeah okay all right and then when it completely and then i get tweets of where's that you asshole you've changed it's like you have no idea what i just went through with the smartest human on earth allegedly i tried my absolute best i I assume Netflix is not thrilled that that did not. Like you were talking about earlier with Sunday Ticket going over. Boy, and all those sign-ups happening within a day or two

of going live for the season. Boy, they better be ready. We had 498,000 concurrence out of nowhere. We weren't the only people that were live. I think Google will be able to figure it out because of how just how vast they have so many people are live right now on YouTube. There's just so many people that are

live right now. So it's like they handle it. Some of those newly built places just They're not sure. They have no idea. And then there's just like red dots. Red, red, red, red, red, red, red. Blinking lights, wrinkling lights. How do we fix it?

Well, the algorithm. We need to plug it up. They're blowing it. Hey, Netflix, they did so many of these. Oh, yeah. And then take something out, plug it back in. Still not working. Let me take this one out.

Now? No. We have no answer. All right. Try it again. Try it again. We've been training for 12 hours. Everybody's calling us a fucking bush league. Well, tell them we've taken it and blown on right. Try it again. Try it again. We've been training for 12 hours. Everybody's calling us a fucking Bush League.

Well, tell them we've taken it. I'm blowing on everybody. We're fucked. Let's go to the fence. Two more phone calls, and we'll get the fuck out of here. Daniel in Kansas City on the 500 front line. What's going on, Daniel? Hey, how's it going, boys?

Keep it going, man. I just want to talk about how, you know, the Chiefs, we just won a Super Bowl. Hell yeah. You know, we just won a Super Bowl. Hell yeah. The draft is in Kansas City. I should be riding high. I should be feeling pretty good. But instead, I can't sleep at night. Why is that?

Because there's a guy in a wolf costume going loose somewhere. And if it was just me, if I was a guy who liked to dress up as a wolf and go to Chiefs games and make a ruckus, why wouldn't I show up at the draft and make a big scene? That's right. Oh, no. I don't care that it works for Spottners. Hey, Daniel, you know more than us, I guess, and since you are staying up,

we haven't really followed along with that story since finding that he had jumped his bail and he had been on the loose. Is there still a wolf on the loose out there? We haven't heard anything about it. I know the Kelsey brothers tried to get been on the loose. Is there still a wolf on the loose out there? We haven't heard anything about him. I know the Kelsey brothers tried to get him on their podcast. Well, that was like back in the day whenever they gave Super Bowl tickets, free Super Bowl tickets.

To like the 100 most wanted. You remember when they did that? Just waiting for someone to show up. Come clean. And like 50 guys were like, oh, I'm getting Super Bowl tickets. And they just walked right into their arrest. Thank you so much. Right into jail. Does feel like the draft is a waterhole for the wolf to come in and get a little drink. And if he's still out there, they got those traps set, I would assume, for old Chiefsaholic.

They might have snipers out there. Because I think it is shooting at sight when they see this guy. Do you know this guy that was a bank robber that fucking jumped his bill? No. This is a real thing happening. In the wild fanatic fandom world, Chief Saholic, he was robbing banks to get money

to buy tickets to go to games so he could be a Chief superfan. On the way between Kansas City and a way game, Houston, he got caught in Oklahoma robbing a bank so he could get money to go, I assume. Sit in the front row on the 50-yard line. Buy tickets in the parking lot. And then he would be front row, selfie, Chiefs all like this here.

Like that's what he was. He would buy like autographed paintings and stuff. The natural assumption is everything this guy has ever done has come from money that he just robbed from a bank hours beforehand. And then he started looking into it. He was arrested when he was like 16, when he was 20, 24. Just like a career criminal. Family.

And he was beloved by the Chiefs fanatic community. Underneath that wolf was a real savage. He's loose. He's loose back you need to keep that right there that's him it's real that's him it's no joke it's a real story robin banks in that cost give a change of costume yeah what if he comes back as like a ferret or something that'd be smart that'd be sweet i haven't seen many fair chiefs. Or a gopher.

I saw a fucking otter. It'd be a gerbil. Today. At the house? At the house. Pretty sweet. An otter. Was it eating your fruit loops?

No fruit loops out there for the otter just yet. First time seeing it. I assume there's a full... They're pretty cool looking. Yeah, be careful. What? They're nasty.

No, they swim on our back. They do the... Yeah, they look cute. They crack things up with rocks. Yeah, they're vicious. Yeah, be careful. What? They're nasty. No, they swim on our back. They do the... Yeah, they look cute. They crack things up with rocks. Yeah, they're vicious. Yeah, and they also crack pistachios on their... They do. They could also crack your fucking skull open.

Not mine. Thank you. Maybe yours, soft-ass skull. It is. Multiple concussions. It's kind of the fence. Actually, I think it's soft brain. Brains are soft in general.

Everybody. Yeah, hopefully. No, brain's a muscle. Mine's fit. Thank you. Let's get Aaron in California on the 500 phone line. What's going on, Aaron? What's up, Pat?

Boy, how we doing? Hey, great, man. How are you? You know, just chilling. Before I ask this question, let me just tell you. I'm a sports dude, retarded truck driver. Well, you can't say that. Knew we were getting there.

Quick on the trigger there. Yeah, pretty quick there. Obviously, we don't recommend saying that word ever at this stage of the game. There's other ways to describe the way in which he wanted to describe himself. Yes. That guy's dumb. Dipshit. Yeah.

Scumbag. Click. Fool. Moron. Let's go to Jimmy in Chicago. Jimmy, what's going on, pal? Hey, what's up, guys? Hey, just hanging, Jimmy.

What do you got going on, pal? All right. I just want to know, like, I know you guys say we need to give all these young quarterbacks, you know, in tough situations a little bit more time. But honestly, what do you guys think about Justin Fields and, like, what he showed in the last two years? I know Lombo's been catching a lot of flack on what he's been saying a little bit lately, so I'm just curious to see what you guys think.

What do you think? Personally, I don't think he's got it. I think he's going to be kind of an average quarterback and never really going to get there. Are you a Bears fan? I am. Everyone here thinks he, you know, he's got it and they got nothing to be worried about. I haven't seen it.

I don't think the offense was as bad as people made it out to be like his support. I know it's not like, you know, not great. Yeah. But how long does he hold the ball? It's on him. You ain't got nobody that can get open. I'm not saying it's all on him, but it's, you know, I don't know. Watching some of these other guys, you got to get rid of the ball. You ain't got nobody that can get open. I'm not saying it's all on him, but it's, you know, I don't know.

Watching some of these other guys, you got to get rid of the ball. You got to make your decisions a little bit quicker. And just looking at it, I mean... Alright, well, Jimmy, we appreciate you. Remember Josh Allen, year one, what he became? Josh Allen had a lot of explosive runs, year one. Just like Justin Fields has had a lot of explosive

runs. Feels like he has the work ethic to continue to develop. I didn't know that Chicago was this split. Remember, there was a conversation about him maybe getting traded out of there. Yeah. And Bryce Young becoming the new quarterback. ZD, is what that guy's saying the common thought, or is there more people thinking that and not saying it out loud? He's just a negative Nancy, that guy.

Oh, this guy. DJ Moore now. Yeah. Now there's just a negative Nancy, that guy. Oh, this guy. DJ Moore now. Now there's no excuses. And Chase is playing play pool. Yeah, he got with it now. This is his year. What do you mean? Like, this is his prove-it year.

For sure, he took a step last year, no question. But now it's like, okay, we will know pretty much one way or the other whether you're a franchise guy or not. Let's go to Lee in Duval. Last call on the 5-Hour Energy phone line. Go to 5hourenergy.com. Use promo code McAfee to receive 20% off your order of any delightful 5-Hour Energy shot. Lee, what's going on down there in Duval?

What's up, boys? Pat, how you doing? Keep it moving, Lee. Hell yeah. That's right. We're down here in Clontown. Our start tight end,

he got tagged, but apparently he didn't sign it. So do you think the Jags might, you know, steal a tight end during the draft? Hell yeah, Lee. We appreciate you calling. I think there's a chance that Jacksonville Jaguars are going to get better.

Oh, yeah. Calvin Ridley literally just gave a speech and an answer. He said that he had 1,400 receiving yards on a broken foot. Now he's healthier, faster, better mentally. He's going to be a dog for him. Won't sign the tag. That's probably just a little leverage. Just a little leverage.

He'll be there. A little leverage. He'll sign. That's kind of how it goes. If he doesn't, though, absolute dog move. There's only been a few that have done that in the past. I think he should just be excited about whatever. You know, down there in Jacksonville. Evan Ingram will be there.

The Jags will get better. That division is the worst. So, yeah, they'll be fine. That's worse than football. So, I mean, how are Jags fans on that? Worse than football? We, I mean, how are Jags fans not happy? Where's the football? We have two MVP candidate running backs. Sorry that our division is a little tougher than your division.

Your division, definitely. Your division, definitely. Your division, certainly. Let's not even get into the back room because it kind of weighs true. We're a ground and pound division. Okay, when you got Derrick Henry and Jonathan Taylor and two of the four teams, you know what you're signing up for. And that's tough guy football.

So the AFC South is the toughest division in football naturally. Yeah, it's not as if like with running backs age, as they get older, they don't get worse. They stay the same, right? Jonathan Taylor is very young. Absolutely. Bro, the Colts suck right now. They're very bad right now.

I'm staring this down here eight days before the draft. We earned a number four overall pick. It's not like somebody else's pick. No. That was ours. Expectations going in. There's 32 teams in the draft. We earned a number four overall pick. Earned it. It's not like somebody else's pick. No. That was ours. That's right. Expectations going in. There's 32 teams in the NFL.

31 of them get picks. We're picking four. Yeah. Were they the favorites to win the division? Had to be. We're the fourth favorites to win the fucking AFC. Yeah, so. Last year.

Fifth favorite to win the AFC last year. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Yeah, brand new coach. You guys will be fine. Spikeman gets it. Yeah, but we're tougher than fucking AFC North, that's for sure. Spikeman's speech definitely showed that. You know where real football is played at.

Where's that? The AFC North. You're goddamn right it is. Come on, bro. It's hot in the kitchen. Mike Tomlin says that. You don't like it? Get out of the kitchen. It's physical.

You got a married paisan back there grunting and hooting. All right, yeah. Alright, Pac. Let's do a giveaway before we get out of here. I made some shots earlier, so we're not going to do that again. Pac-Man, what do you want to do, Paul? You have to make this shot. Yeah, I think this thing is... You have to make it, yeah. The moon shot?

It has kind of bullied you a little. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's beating you. You've got to beat it. AJ, anything you can say to Pac-Man as he takes on his arch nemesis here, the moonshot? We saw yesterday. I called it.

I said, first shot's going in. That thing went in and out five different times. So this one's in. It did rattle. It did rattle. So maybe yesterday was just a little poor luck. This luck will get better. Here you go, Pac-Man.

All right. Ladies and gentlemen, if Adam Pac-Man Jones can make the moonshot from the opposite free-throw line, we'll give ten people some free merches who retweet this video! Bounce ball, bounce ball, bounce ball. Ooh. Almost took out the Thunderball now.

If Adam Pac-Man Jones, who looks really cool right now, can make this moonshot! Oh, geez. Halfway down again. That's okay. You found the stroke. really Corey now, can make this moonshot. Jeez. That's okay. You found the stroke. Adam Pac-Man Jones.

Oh, that was a perfect bounce. Ladies and gentlemen, if Adam Pac-Man Jones can bury this moonshot, we'll give... Just gauging the distance. I mean, we got to get there, Pac. We got to get there. That was a bad throw.

That was a bad throw. That was a bad throw. But there was a gust that kicked up. Ladies and gentlemen, if a very cool-looking Adam Pac-Man Jones can bury this moonshot, we'll give 10 people. He's got to be scared to death with Bill behind him.

I would never let Bill... That is true Bill McCombs is right there Bob's his guy Bob If Adam Pacman Jones can make this moonshot 10 people Man

He's getting unlucky here Well Luck is certainly a massive part of this He's hucking his thing up Ladies and gentlemen if Adam Adam Pac-Man Jones. Come on, Pac-Man. We need this. One time.

Come on, Pac. Ladies and gentlemen, what you're about to witness is this man's first attempt at what he's about to do. That's right. If Adam Pac-Man Jones can bury this moonshot, that's right, shot from the opposite foul line, we will give 10 people free merches from store.papmcathyshow.com. All you have to do is retweet this video

and say something nice to somebody. Adam Pac-Man Jones. Bozo, bozo, bozo. Oh, good reach. Ladies and gentlemen, if Fat Impact Man Jones can make this shot, the moon shot, we'll give 10 people five. I just don't understand the technique we're going with. Whoa.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Shoot it high. Yeah. Hey, those are good shots. That's a tough shot. It's a tough shot. If the moon shot was easy, everybody would make it. Exactly. those are good shots. That's a tough shot. It's a tough shot. If the moonshot was easy, everybody would make it. Exactly.

His pants are sweet. I like those pants. His pants are down low. Bro, he's got a backpack on his left kneecap. He looks so cool, dude. Donnie, he looks so cool. I like having a lot of pockets. Yeah, different pants have weird pockets all over now.

Me too. My pants are always so tight, the pockets look weird. But, I mean, having a pocket right there on the kneecap. Very helpful. That's a good look. Yeah, that would be the nature look weird. But, I mean, having a pocket right there on the kneecap. Good look. Yeah, that would be the nature's microwave. Yeah. All right. Well, we're off tomorrow.

Got to get something done for the draft next week. That's right. Technical stuff. Came out of nowhere. But if you want to have the draft spectacular, you've got to fucking do it. Wait until you see the shit we've got planned for this, AJ. Legit.

What is it? Can you tell me? Give me a hint. Hint. Oh, what is it? So tomorrow, what's going on? They're revamping the whole Thunderdome tomorrow? Tearing the whole thing down.

They're redoing all the wiring and all the things. We've got to roll the dice. We'll text it. We've got to roll the dice yet again on whether or not any of it will work. Yeah, we'll let you know exactly what's going on. We'll be back for a feel-good Friday. We are bummed that there's no giveaway. Pac, you want to throw some footballs?

He's back. Ladies and gentlemen. He's got candy. Here we go. Here we go. Do you remember how close you were for that one? Are you going to this one? Which one do you want to go to? Go for the net, Pac. Yeah, got candy. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen. Here we go. Do you remember how close you were for that one? Are you going to this one? Which one do you want to go to?

Go for the net, Pac. Yeah, let's just walk before we run. What's his deal? I'm just giving advice. Pac-Man, what are you going with? Okay. No, you're going to hit that camera. Yeah.

Oh, my God. He makes that shot. He was so pumped. Oh, my God. He makes that shot. Oh, my God. What a moment. If Boston Connor can make this. Same spot. Same as I said. He is the picture of consistency.

If Boston Connor, a man who is known for spinning the pitch. Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball, bones ball, bones ball. Oh, oh. He's got a nice little axle. Give me the fucking dorsal. He can throw it. He's got a nice little fleekle. Ladies and gentlemen, Boston Connor will miss the backboard.

Yeah, give him the whistler, Ty. You throwing a whistler? I want the dorsal. Okay, 10 gigs. Throwing a dorsal. Where are you going? Cut. That thing definitely put a hole in the wall.

Hold on. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Throw the pumpkin. Is that a pumpkin? It is a pumpkin.

We're celebrating Halloween next year. If Boston Connick can make this throw, we'll give 10 people merches from store.patmcfyshow.com. Java in the eye. I thought that was it. Quick, Bill, go get that severed head out of your locker. Bill does not have any dead bodies in here, okay?

It's not his locker. It's underneath. It's in his car. We know that because the crows, the way they offer. And the screams. Big shout out to Parker McCollum. His album's coming out May 12th. Crows, the bow, and Bill's car around. Mike R's coming out May 12th. They are loud.

Mike Rupp joined us. Obviously, he's a legend. That's Hockey Talk tonight at 8 p.m. at YouTube.com forward slash. That's Hockey Talk. Thank you. Von Miller, great to see him again. He looks great. Yeah, it's been a while.

65 percent. Adam Pacman Jones, another incredible week, pal. We appreciate the hell out of you. Celebrate 420 tomorrow responsibly. We'll be back for a feel-good Friday. If you're in a state where you can buy... Ohio. Okay.

Oh. Where you sell your stuff. Oh, Cali, anywhere you can buy cookies, go support the brand. Any cookies? Any cookies. They're in Oregon, too. Yeah. I don't think we've released in Oregon, but we are...

Vegas, all of San Francisco. I mean, all of California. All of San Francisco. All of California and Utah. What's the name of it, all of San Francisco, all of California and Utah. What's the name of it? Cookies. What's yours? Pac-Man.

Get the Pac-Man. Get the Pac-Man. Pac from cookies in California or Vegas. If you're out celebrating 420 tomorrow, do it responsibly. That's right. And remember, you're always going to come down. Okay? That is a very vital piece of information if you're going to digest some in a legal state,

smoke some in a legal state, vape some in a legal state. Do whatever you're going to do in a legal state. Remember, you will come back down, and it is A-okay. And if you're a person who has this negative image about cannabis because the hippies and what it maybe was a long time ago, I think you should maybe have a thought about changing your opinion. You know, there's been many sciences that have proven the greatness of cannabis and what it can bring into your life and what it can replace potentially, you know? So although 420 is a big like, hey, these people are about to get stoned out of their fucking mind and not be able to operate. That is certainly one way to go about using cannabis. But there's so many different medicinal

ways to utilize it or people dealing with anxiety or mental health issues or people that have focus issues as opposed to taking a pill form or something. They can smoke. People have been able to utilize cannabis for thousands of years. And then we decided to ban it. I don't think that is necessarily the right decision. I think we're on the precipice of a lot more people being able to utilize cannabis for the good as opposed to the bad. And those that say it's a gateway drug have never been around anybody that has ever gone past cannabis, because then you could say that cigarettes are certainly much more of an indicator than I would say cannabis is. Nonetheless, we appreciate you all so much. You're the best people on earth.

Thank you for allowing us to do this every single day, although we're not doing it tomorrow. True. Friday, though. Feel good Friday. We'll see you at noon. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. We're going to Chef Bo's. Goodbye!