The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 891 - Aaron Rodgers Is Officially Traded To The New York Jets, Ian Rapoport, Co-Founder Of The S2 Cognition Test Brandon Ally, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the massive sports weekend that included 5 Overtime games in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, an incredible batch of NBA Playoff games, and the crazy news that Will Levis' draft odds have jumped massively and he is now the favorite to be the #2 pick in the NFL Draft, along with all the other NFL rumors leading up the draft, along with the breaking news that the Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets has officially been finalized. Joining the progrum live from the site of the NFL Draft in Kansas City is NFL Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport, to chat about what he's heard about this draft as a whole and that certain teams only have up to 15 players given 1st round grades, the rumor that Ryan Tannehill may be available for a trade, Trey Lance trade rumors, the Jets and Packers re-engaging in Aaron Rodgers trade talks, and everything else he's hearing leading up to the draft (23:53-54:48). Also joining the progrum to chat about his S2 Cognition Test, and what it means and how teams analyze the data from the tests is the co-founder of S2 Sports, Cognitive Neuroscientist, and Harvard Medical School Graduate, Brandon Ally (2:04:39-2:32:53). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Breaking news! The story of the offseason has officially broken. It was reported this morning by Ian Rappaport that the Packers and the Jets opened up conversations and negotiations for Aaron Rodgers to become a Jet before the draft spectacular kicks off on Thursday night. Well now, Adam Schefter is reporting that a deal has been made. That is right. The New York Jets get Aaron Rodgers and pick number 15 of this year's NFL draft. And a 2023 fifth round pick. And in return, the Packers will get pick number 13. What? A 2023 second round pick number 42.

What? A sixth round pick number 207. What? round pick number 42 a six round pick number 207 and a conditional 2024 second round pick that becomes a first if aaron rogers plays 65 of the plays aaron rogers is an iron man he's gonna do that so a future first rounder for the green bay packers as well a first round swap this year a second a sixth and then a first in the future. The Packers win. The Jets win. And Aaron Rodgers is now officially a New York Jet. Wow.

This has been a long process, obviously, for you, Ty Schmidt, as a Green Bay Packer owner. What are your thoughts as it is, you know, the Aaron Rodgers era comes to a full close with the Green Bay Packers? Yeah, I mean, bittersweet for sure. But I think you mentioned, I think both teams win. I really do.

I mean, like, you know, I didn't think they were going to get the 13th pick, and technically, I mean, moving up two spots, like, that's okay, but Rodgers, you know, he wanted out. The Packers didn't really want him anymore, so, like, this was happening no matter what. To get that conditional first-round pick,

potentially, next year, as long as he doesn't, you know, break his collarbone or something like that, more so like this was happening no matter what to get that conditional first round pick potentially next year as long as he doesn't you know break his collarbone or something like that which i don't think that's gonna happen well it's not wish it upon him no no i did not wish it upon him because i want the first round pick as well so it's not like you know like he he will play i want to see him play well but yeah i mean leading up to this kind of everything that we've known like i was not expecting the packers to get this in return so i'm pretty fucking pumped and we'll find out uh later who gave in to what what was the sticking point there's a lot of transactions happening here including a conditional first in the future which is a massive ordeal to negotiate through 65 of the place how did they

land on that number i think all parties say who cares? It is done. This is something that's been lingering over the heads of every single Green Bay Packer fan, Green Bay Packer player, Green Bay Packer coach, Green Bay Packer front office, and New York Jets fan, New York Jets player, New York Jets coach, New York Jets front office. I mean, this is

something that's been looming. They get the job done on this glorious overreaction Monday, April 24th, just days away from the looming. They get the job done on this glorious overreaction Monday, April 24th. Just days away from the first round. What do the Packers do with that pick? Are they going to bundle that and move up, try to make some plays? Are they going to get a weapon? How will Guntekunst use the weapons that they got for the

Aaron Rodgers trade to make the team better? Now we sit and see, Connor. Yeah, you definitely can't rule out them drafting the quarterback, but I do think it is a great opportunity for them to get that last laugh. Maybe they don't trade up. Maybe some wide receiver falls to number 13 and the Packers say, you know what? It's time to support

the quarterback of our future, Jordan Love. Tone, immediately, do odds change for the New York Jets or for the Green Bay Packers with this trade? And how do you feel as an NFL fan that this deal has got this is pretty legendary yeah Tom Brady obviously contract ends ends up with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Peyton

Manning gets cut from the Indianapolis Colts goes to the Denver Broncos Matthew Stafford gets traded from Detroit to go over to the Rams Russell Wilson gets traded from the Seahawks to the Broncos so it is common practice these days for our great quarterbacks to be on the move and go to a new team. Aaron Rodgers now in New York, Jed. Yeah, I just looked to see if it did change. They stayed pretty much at plus 1,400. I assume it was already cooked into the odds that they thought this was going to get done

as far as a deal done, just like we thought. We're just waiting for it to happen. And they're still second in the division behind the Bills. But I love it. I love it for football. I love it for that. But I love it. I love it for football. I love it for that division. I love it. I love it when guys that have been on a team forever go play somewhere else.

I think that's just fun. As an NFL football fan, I wouldn't want it for my own football team to happen. Well, Ben Roethlisberger almost went to the Niners. He did. He almost had an experience there. Yeah, but he did. You're talking about chip on a shoulder, having to reprove themselves. Also, how will they do in a different environment, different culture,

different team build? That team with New York Jets ready to go. Yes. They got the rookie of the year on both sides of the ball, the backup rookie of the year on both sides of the ball. They got weapons. They got a big-time draft. They got pick number 15.

Joe Douglas has done great with the draft. As of late, they're still going to be able to add to it. The Jets fans are rejoicing. You can hear Greeny's penis hitting the bottom of his desk all the way over here in Indiana. People are pumped. The Packers fans should be excited as well. Now, they get that massive amount of money off of their books. Who will they add to the team?

How will Jordan Love do? We shall see. The NFL never sleeps, especially on Draft Spectacular Week. Congrats to all parties. We'll see you tomorrow for a massive Tuesday. Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Overreaction Monday, April 24th, 2023,

this sports program starts now. Draft Spectacular! Is on Thursday. Great work by the boys kind of syncing that whole thing up. This is a massive week around the NFL because the next era of NFL hopefuls will be decided starting on Thursday night

where we will be live for our fourth annual fourth annual fourth annual fourth annual Draft Spectacular. It's our biggest show of the year normally. Now, I do not believe we are going to crack what we'd had for Aaron Rodgers, talking about his intentions to go and play for the New York Jets post the darkness retreat when we had like 498,000 concurrence.

That was bananas. That was bonkers. That was crazy. And that was something that has spurred a conversation for the last 40 days about what's going to take place between the packers and the jets we assume that deal will be done by thursday we assume other lingering topics around the nfl will be done by thursday and it feels like since we've started this draft spectacular our particular universe has been dropped an absolute asteroid like what was dropped in indianapolis on Friday at like 5.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time to just rattle our whole being. We cannot wait for Thursday.

We hope you will join us. We have GMs from all over the NFL stopping by and joining us to chit-chat about the pick they're about to make or the pick that they did make. Now, per tradition here, Chris Ballard will be joining us at 7.55 Eastern Standard Time, moments before the Colts have to do whatever the Colts have to do. He will be the one kicking off the entire program.

We will also have numerous other GMs, surprise guests, and talent acts. That's right. Talent. That's right. What do you mean, acts? Well, we have a basketball court. Sure. Whenever you're watching a basketball court do its thing, normally during breaks in game, there is some sort of acts that take place.

That's right. So I thought to myself when I was thinking, you know what, this Thunderdome has a lot of space, doesn't it? This needs to be a spectacular draft, spectacular. We need to utilize the entire space. We are doing that. We are hoping that Thursday night will be an absolute blast. We cannot thank you enough. We now have the capability to bounce studio to studio, place to place, because Zito, Frankie, and Jake want to work not only on Thursday of last week, but this past weekend, kind of looping everything together.

Thursday night should be a showcase of everything that the Thunderdome could be. It could also be an absolute claustrophobic where everything fails. With that being said, there'll be numerous guests. There'll be giveaways and big moments as we watch guys' dreams come true and try to predict what a team is thinking whenever they make the pick that they pick. I genuinely cannot wait. This weekend, as I was trying to fall asleep, my mind was racing about Thursday night. Will there be a big-time trade between Aaron and the Jets right before? This weekend, as I was trying to fall asleep, my mind was racing about Thursday night.

Will there be a big-time trade between Aaron and the Jets right before? Or will it come Wednesday? Or will it come not until day two? So it's a second rounder. There's just so much that could take place. What's going to happen in the first four picks? And then after that, we just try to survive in advance. Try to see who's doing what. The Toxic Table is here looking fantastic.

At Boston, Connor and Ty Schmidt. Connor, let's start with you wearing that Bruins sweater. Massive weekend for the NHL. Huge weekend for the NHL and also the Bruins, Pat. Let's, you know, give them their flyers because they're up 3-1 and there's only two teams with a 3-1 lead right now, and that's the Boston Bruins and the Carolina Hurricanes. So, shout out to them as well.

But, yeah, five overtime games. I mean, the entire weekend of sports was great, but NHL in particular feel like they kind of took over. Obviously, every kind of different game had their own little testy fight. So everything going on was incredible. Edmonton and LA, that was their overtime game yesterday. They also had an overtime game Friday. I believe that series is tied up now. Dallas, they tied their series game yesterday. They also had an overtime game Friday. I believe that series is tied up now.

Dallas, they tied their series up now. And tonight is a massive night because some of the series left are 2-1. So you could get those 3-1 leads like the Bruins did. Granted, we can't hold everyone to the Bruins standard. Well, since 2005, best team ever. Most wins ever, actually. Yeah, since 2005. Most wins ever. Most wins ever, actually. Yeah, since 2005. Most wins ever. 65, still bigger than

62. Yeah, but four shootout dubs which the 62 team wasn't able to have any of, so you subtract that, that's 61 all of a sudden. Holy shit! 62-61, what's that? Since 2005. So we just don't even have to dive into it if we just say best record since 2005 in the shootout

era. Okay, most points ever, most wins ever, so record since 2005 sure in the shootout era okay most points ever most wins ever so i guess we can't say shootout error but what we could also say is most wins that the bruins ever had which was way more than what sydney crosby the pens ever did well the thing about that is shootout error or not the pens were not able to touch what you were able to touch the pens are not and the team that i've adopted, the Las Vegas Golden Knights. Hell yeah. And the reason why is because Jackie Aces came on the program. He almost had a hat trick as well. The dude had two goals going into the third period. Also had a chance to win at bad ice.

Poor water on the pond wasn't able to win it. But I've been riding along with the NHL playoffs, even though the Pens haven't been in it. And the Pens aren't in it for the first time in like 17 years. That's right. So that is obviously a little bit of a different experience. Because this is basically when the NHL kind of starts. Right.

For a lot of places that don't have NHL teams. For instance, Indianapolis. You're not ever going to see many games here. ESPN and TNT, big deal. But you're never really going to happen upon a game here in Indianapolis. So the playoffs, you know, and NHL has shown up. Oh, yeah. I was wondering if I thought the NHL maybe had lost its fastball because Sidney Crosby

wasn't in there. Turns out that's not the case at all. There are stars all over the place. They're flying around. The games are tight and there's been massive comebacks. Teams down three have come back and either tie it and send it to overtime or win it. Those types of swings are what keep the energy in the building or out of the building and outside.

The NHL has this beautiful tradition of if you can't get a ticket to get inside the arena, you just sit outside of it. Pittsburgh had it. There was numerous cities over the weekend that have it. I think Toronto had a great one. Those scenes coming out of the NHL, fantastic. Congrats to your Bruins doing their thing.

And not just being a big Fugues and winning the most games in the history since 2005. Speaking of Golden Knights, Ty, you and I are big-time fans of that team. You since their beginning, conception? Yeah, inception, conception, whatever you want to say. Me just since Jackie Aces comes on the program, gives us a great interview because nobody in NHL really comes on this show except for old Ruppers. Ruppers, our guy.

And I would cheer for the team that he played on. Oh, that was the Pens. I do cheer for them. He was on Devils' rookie year, won a Stanley Cup. Rangers. Until they put a Ruppert banner up in the sky there in New Jersey, I ain't a fan of them. I'm a fan of the Pens.

I've picked up the Golden Knights, which you have as well. But the team that you're really obsessed with is the Green Bay Pockers. You're obviously an owner. Big piece of information coming out of Ian Rappaport this morning. Allegedly, the Packers and Jets have picked back and resumed conversation that's good news for everybody right yeah no it is good news because the closer we were getting to the draft i was kind of starting to worry like okay what what's going to happen here like you mentioned you know in your intro like if on day two or day three this thing gets done and then we're looking at you know that whatever

compensation they do get for rogers you're not going to be able to use that until next year i think i don't know how a lot of packers fans feel i guess i feel like i'm actually very excited for this year's draft because in years past with rogers it's kind of like you already know what the team's like going into the season you kind of know what to expect and the last couple years it's kind of been like okay how are they going to fuck this up how are they going to piss off rogers you know like we we always we always say like hey they need a weapon they need you know so and so and it seems like they've always done the exact opposite thing that all the fans have kind of wanted but going into this year first round pick potentially from the jets aside like i i actually am you think you're getting 13 no no i'm saying like that that

probably is not going to happen which is fine but if you get that second pick and then they also have their second pick maybe they double those up and try to move back into the first round and have two picks but i just i am actually like very excited because it you kind of don't know what they're going to do and it seems like you know like gutekens has kind of taken it on the shins the last couple years like he recognizes like hey i got i kind of have to nail this draft. I can't come out. And granted, we've talked about it with AJ.

People will grade the draft the night of or right after. And you don't know. But I think he's going to want the kind of positive momentum right after the draft. He doesn't want fans fucking coming at him like they have the last couple years. Very interesting over there in Green Bay because they haven't done much free agency wise like next to nothing nothing because they've had 60 million dollars kind of hung up yeah so obviously we just assume they've been scouting for the draft because they haven't been talking to the jets either rap report tweeted like breaking news hey the two sides that have to make a deal are talking again right it's like what have they

been doing yeah i don't understand how that that place. But if they have a plan, which I assume they do, the deadline was draft night, I assume in all parties' eyes. Let's not even waste time talking until we get closer. They got to nail the draft. Have to. They're not the only team that has to nail the draft. There's a lot of teams that are looking at this draft, hoping that it can change. There's a lot of people talking shit about this draft.

Sounds like there's a lot of sources within NFL buildings saying this draft class, not that good. It kind of stinks. One GM said that if you have less than 15 players with a first round draft grade, that class sucks. And then we go on to say, we're way below 15 for that particular class. So I think they're taking a shot at it. But at the

top, there's still a lot of action to be had. Tone, the movement in the odds for these people. A couple years back, we don't want to just do this because we don't have long enough arms to do it all day. If you come over here, we can probably just do it to each other. Yeah, so we could be on like a

centipede. Human centipede. Human centipede of back padding. I'll go this way. Hey, Tone, good work. Good job, Pat. Thank you. So we're all patting each other on the back

because we changed basically draft odds with one sentence into a microphone live from a living room in Tampa Bay, Florida. That was when our source told us Mac Jones ain't going to the Niners. Everybody thought the San Francisco 49ers traded up to number three.

Something like that could still take place, obviously. Number two and number three, we assume, are potentially on the board to get traded for. So who knows what the trades will be to move up in the draft to get somebody that they love. But everybody thought the Niners were taking Mac Jones. John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan, the way they were talking, they're clearly taking Mac Jones. This man who was able to slice and dice defenses, you put him into a Shanahan offense, he'll know exactly what he's supposed to do because he's got a big brain

and he's incredibly accurate, so he's like Jimmy G. A little bit more athleticism than Jimmy G. Maybe able to make a couple more throws than Jimmy G. Will he be able to do the same things Jimmy G does? Yes. That's why he's going to number three. Then we're told right before we go live it ain't Mac Jones.

Are you sure it ain't Mac? Certain. It is not. It is not Mac Jones. Really? Who told you that? Is that real? Are you serious? Yeah. Are we supposed to say this? You should not have told us this right before our show started. Come on. They said go ahead and let it eat or whatever. So literally let off the show.'re being told yeah number three ain't mac jones those draft odds oh

yeah sports books have the same amount of information that we have now some of them might be able to have moles in buildings if that's the case the nfl is going to be pissed yeah and they're going to fucking go ahead and snoop them out. So this is an angle that we can maybe get some of these sportsbooks because they don't know, like games, they have obviously time travelers and other people that have predicting apps and algorithms and codes and big brains and everything like that. So it seems like they have the advantage in games over us because we're just mere mortals.

That's right. But for the draft, it feels like it's kind of a similar playing field. There's been a lot of movement. One half of the hammer. Cowboys don't dig. It's a very similar playing field and bookmakers will tell you it's the most even playing field you're going to get ever when a book's making a line on these situations

and to kind of highlight the situation, we're going to have to take a trip down memory lane. Let's do it. Are we closing our eyes or are we just kind of... No, no. Let's open our eyes because I don't like when people looking at me with their eyes closed. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. It is weird.

Make your fucking eye contact, okay? How many people are just looking at you with their eyes closed? Yeah, I was just going to say. We found out last week that you stand over mirrors to nair your taint. Which is smart. Now we're here and you're looking at people with their eyes closed. Why are people's eyes closed when they're looking at you? Well, I watch my baby sleep on a monitor a lot.

I hate when she's sitting there with her eyes closed, just fucking staring at me. Hey, wake up, cry. Do something. So when the bookmakers, they're basically going off the same storylines that we are. So you go back and the line movement kind of makes sense from where we were at a point.

Before the combine, Bryce Young was the favorite. C.J. Stroud comes in, fucking has a favorite cj stroud comes in fucking has a great day anthony richardson comes in has a great day he's the most athletic quarterback of all time he's throwing great he's interviewing great so they the draft odds kind of move there to where it's bryce young and cj stroud at number one coming out of that weekend with anthony richardson who moves up and then will levis who's's always been one of the top four, say. Four normally. Four normally.

Especially after the combine weekend, he was four coming out of that weekend. And the Mayo. He was kind of the guy who was left behind. And then the Panthers trade for the number one pick. C.J. Stroud shoots up to number one on the odds as far as to go number one overall. That's because everyone thought that he was the favorite there in Carolina. And then his pro day came and it looked because everyone thought that he was the favorite there in Carolina.

And then his pro day came and it looked like, hey, he was kind of favorite. Josh McCann says when you move to Charlotte, we'll play hoops. He was kind of the favorite there in Carolina. And then after the pro days, there's this kind of period where people just go back into their holes and I think they start looking at film again. And I think that's when Bryce Young kind of made that trip back up. And then last week, Bryce Young went from like minus 200. I think he's minus 2,000 right now to go number one overall.

Okay, so you think that obviously makes C.J. Stroud the favorite to go number two. Okay, no. Then we get news coming out of the Texans' front office that maybe, I don't know where it's coming from, might not be their front office. Shefty said it though, right? Shefty knows people. Where they're not necessarily

going to take a quarterback number two overall. They could take anybody. And all this stuff is now coming out about C.J. Stroud. And, you know, is he the quarterback that should be number two? We'll be talking to one of the founders of C2, the brain test, the cognitive test at 2.15 Eastern Standard Time today, Brandon Alley. Okay. Speaking of the C.J. Stroud stuff,

I do believe he wants to clear up some of that stuff. But if there is going to be a quarterback that goes number two, it's going to be C.J. Stroud. Okay. He's proven winning record. He throws the ball better than pretty much anyone else out there. And then this weekend, there's a massive fucking move. Boom.

Put up the graphic, please. Excuse me? Will Levis goes from, at one point, plus 2,000 to go number two overall to minus 120 with C.J. Stroup. Not even here. It's like plus 500 or something like that to go number two overall to minus 120 with CJ Stroud. Not even here. It's like plus 500 or something like that to go number two overall. Now, this does not say that the Houston Texans are taking Will Levis. This says that whoever decides to trade up to number two

or the number two overall pick is going to take Will Levis. So that means Bryce Young, Will Levis would be the kind of the way this whole thing would go. None of us could have expected that including the books who had him at plus 2,000 just 8 or 14 days ago. Now minus 120. Minus 120

nowhere near as close to minus 2,000. So this does not mean that sportsbook think this is a lock. Bryce Young at minus 2,000 they think is a lock. They think they have it figured out. Now the next person is like plus 1,000 after him at number one overall. Minus 120

is like, that's who they think it is right now. That could change mightily over the next two days, but that leads to your point, Tony. Nobody has a fucking clue right now what's going to happen. Well, the funny part about it is even Bryce Young is minus 2,400 to be exact for number one, but second is plus

1,500, and that's C.J. Stroud, and third overall odds plus 2,500 is Anthony Richardson to go number one. So those two quarterbacks are above Levis to go number one, but way below him to go number two, and then Stroud's a favorite of three, but if he does get to four with those Indianapolis Colts, I'm speaking to Will Levis. He's also the favorite to go number two and then stroud's a favorite of three but if he does get to four with those

indianapolis colts i'm speaking to will levitz he's also the favorite to go number four too but what what happened between broday and now yeah remember that photo where he was like i was in the worst shape of my life only had a six pack and then all of a sudden he has 10 packs shredded he's six foot four right yeah six four like two two three 229 yep and he said i got a cannon i He has 10-pack shredded. He's 6'4", right? Yeah, 6'4", like 2'3". 2'29", yep. And he said, I got a cannon. I want to showcase that whole thing. Maybe people just got a chance to chat with him a little bit, and they're like, you know what?

Like the cut of this guy's jib. Like this guy's moxie. Like what he's about. And they think he can make every throw. Now, am I going to have to come to full grips with this guy potentially being our quarterback at four? Sounds like no, because he's going to go ahead of time, and Chris Ballard's maybe just going to have to see

who's left to make a decision. But let's just say somehow it goes defense, defense, two, three. Sure. Which it could. Everybody's saying it could potentially. Now there's like seven to eight teams that need a quarterback. Will they all try to trade up to two or to three? History says yes,

but how much do they actually love these quarterbacks versus how much does the media say these teams love these quarterbacks? I mean, that's kind of the balance we have to play. But if Chris Ballard has C.J. Stroud, Will Levis, Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, and anybody else all available at four, who does he go with? And that will be the ultimate tell of whether or not this C2 cognitive test means anything. The pro day means anything.

Winning in college means anything. It's like all those answers kind of come to the forefront if they're all available at four. And Chris Ballard is the person that will set the trend for us to believe on what matters and what doesn't matter. It's possible. Oh, yeah, because two and three have already said they're listening and willing to potentially move out of that spot.

But wasn't it a long, long time ago when – it might have even been the combine when Ballard sat up there and said, you know, we could just stay at four and potentially get the guy we want. He said, I don't think you've got to go to one to get the guy you want. It's like, so that means he likes Anthony Richardson is what we thought at that time. Right, we we did but then there was like a week and a half where anthony richardson was the hot pick yeah anthony richardson's gonna go too i think or lovinsky said texans are gonna take anthony richardson too i don't even know what his odds

are obviously will levis is minus 120 who knows what anthony richardson's are there i don't he's sixth sixth best odds to go number two overall damn He's a lot of people ahead of him. So I'm just saying, every week there's been a new who's it, who's not it. And it's like, who will it end up being on Thursday? We shall see. Joining us now is a man who hopefully has more information on the subject. He is in Kansas City already. Wow. He works for the NFL Network. He works for the NFL's website.

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Rap Sheet, live from the draft city of Kansas City, four days in advance. Seems to be a bit much. Here you go, Rap Boy. What's up, Bob? What's up, Bob? What's up, guys? You hear me okay, by the way? Yeah, is that a hotel? That's a beautiful-looking lobby.

It's not the hotel, as a matter of fact. Where am I right now? I'm in the green room. So, it's nice. Yeah, only the best room we've had. Only the best. I like this. I, only the best room we've had. Only the best. I like this. I was in one of these down in Nashville before I did my draft selection for the Indianapolis Colts.

There's a green room back there. Yeah, they really doll that place up, too, because there's a lot of cameras back there, a lot of photos back there. They want to make it as comfortable as possible. That looks nice, Ian. It is actually quite luxurious. I'm sitting on what seems to be a very fine couch right now. There's a coffee shop over there,

which is something that's obviously very important to me. Our live shot location is over there. So you're going to be seeing the green room in the background. So, yeah, it's all good. Is that an oversized couch, you think, for the draft picks? I mean, I think for the draft picks, it's a regular couch. Oh, that thing's hitting you in the top of your head. It's almost like you must be this tall to ride. You know what I mean, I think for the draft picks, it's a regular couch. Oh. That thing's hitting you in the top of your head.

It's almost like you must be this tall to ride. You know what I mean? I'm really slouching. I'm like slouching like a lot. You sure? Hey, make yourself comfortable. You got seven days in Kansas City. Where are you right now?

Where is the stage? I assume it's going to be a beautiful backdrop. where are you right now? Where is the stage? I assume it's going to be a beautiful backdrop. So behind me, like right there is where the prospects kind of walk through after they get drafted. It's probably like 50 feet. And then they take a couple steps up and then they get to the stage. So the trip from the green room to the stage is, you know, probably 10 seconds. But obviously you've got to hug, and you've got to dap everyone up, and, you know, it's a whole big thing. But, like, basically, like, the stage is kind of behind me,

and I am in the old train station right now. When I say train station, I mean, like, Amtrak tickets, waiting room. Like, it's pretty cool. Okay, that's sick. We were in an old train station just a couple weeks ago for nick's wedding hell yeah it was beautiful they hadn't updated the air conditioner since whenever they put it in there that was really the only downfall other than that gorgeous setting a lot of space is it already announced where the stage is i assume we

already know where that is is in the middle of downtown where is it a train station middle of downtown i assume yeah um it is i think War Memorial, I think is what it is. I'm not sure what the actual name is. Theoretically, I would know, but I would be wrong. How many people? I just know it's behind me. How many people are they projecting to be there? So many.

So many. Like, I know Philly was sort of the, Philly kind of felt like the gold standard there. Nashville. Nashville. Kind of trumped that. And this – Nashville's got – I mean, Nashville was amazing. Like, that might be the highest bar. This might trump that.

I mean, it just sounds like many hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to Kansas City for the draft. Okay, I hope that's the case because Kansas City is obviously a massive piece of the NFL story right now. I hope that's the case because Kansas City is obviously a massive piece of the NFL story right now. They got the dynasty that's currently being built and the reigning, defending, undisputed Super Bowl champions currently. Hope the weather kind of, you know, is good for them. Uh-oh. Yeah. No, no.

It's going to be good. Thursday night is going to be good. A little chilly. I brought my, like, you know, warm ski socks and toe warmers smart uh friday's gonna be you know cold but okay saturday is going to be rainy now i know obviously you guys want the best for me i am slightly covered in my saturday spot i would not say it's 100 covered so if you see a soggy me on Saturday, as you guys are obviously watching the fifth, sixth, and seventh, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round, just go easy on me. Actually, we'll be watching. So don't worry.

I'll judge your hosting and your pessimism on certain things. Probably your exhaustion at that point because you'd been in the same city sleeping in hotels for six to seven days. I'm happy to hear that the NFL is kind of taking over and making this a thing. Personally, and we were there, so we get to witness it, that Nashville one, the weather was perfect. Broadway was like built for it almost. I know the NFL wants to tour it and continue to move it

so more people get to kind of understand and appreciate it. If it ever makes a home, maybe Kansas City, if they crush it. Nashville, though, a little southern. It's not as south. It does get cold, but it's a little southern this time of year. Let's move on. What are you hearing at the top?

The odds are incredible right now. The number two overall pick, Will Levis, went from like plus 2,000 to minus 120. Sportsbooks know just the same amount as us, though. This is a very fair playing field. They're trying to catch on to trends and narratives just like we are. We know that because we've actually controlled them over the past couple years

on shit that we've found out, news that we have broken, and then we watch the odds change immediately. So they're with us. And by us, I mean all fans. What have you heard about the top there? Houston taking a quarterback? It's going to be Will Levis.

Or are they going to take Will Anderson? D'Amico Ryans now has his defensive guy that he can kind of hang his hat on down there in Houston. Or is it Tyree? Then at three, are they trading away? Are the Raiders going up then to get C.J. Stroud who's available? Because nobody's really talked about him and the Colts. What are you hearing at the top,

and how much movement do you think there is still to be had until Thursday night, Ian? First of all, just the betting line thing we talked about at the beginning. I have no idea where that comes from. I got a call on that because I guess Levis was going crazy on, like, Saturday or whenever that was. Yep. I have no idea. You know, if he won it at number two, I would say that would be a surprise.

We've seen surprises before. He's favorite now. Which comes from I don't know where um again that's what we were just talking about as i was just talking yeah yeah like it's so it has been really interesting like and i never pay attention to uh betting lines and i feel like now because in this environment i almost sort of have to a little bit um and it's odd now as far as number two goes my thought the whole time has been, you need a quarterback, it is the time to take a franchise quarterback, there is at least

one. You know, I think most people like we talked about last time, I think it's two top quarterbacks. I would be surprised if the Texans don't take a quarterback. They do have pick number 12. But is it worth risking your franchise guy if someone else gets before you and takes whoever you want? I will stick with quarterback until it is proven otherwise. That said, this is one of the draft's great mysteries because Nick Casario, despite all the rumors, he's not telling anyone. I don't even know if there's many people inside the organization besides D'Amico Ryans who actually knows who the pick is going to be.

And it's number two, so he could announce it and nothing would be altered. But still, like, he's very secretive. But if they don't take a quarterback, then I think three gets auctioned off at an astronomical price. I do think that will have massive, massive dramatic effect. We'll have Chris Ballard on our Draft Spectacular Thursday night, 7.55 p.55pm Eastern Standard Time.

Just moments before he is either going to have to move or make a pick. This has become a tradition. It's almost like he feels obligated to do it. I appreciate it. You know what I mean? I do appreciate that. Normally it's the other way around, but he's like, hey, hell yeah!

Who was it? No, it's the other way around but he like hey hell yeah who's a rep who is it no it's just there's there's plants no no no they're like hey they gotta do what they did did you just shush them oh my god don't be shushing hard-working people pal all they're trying to do is make your set better well Well, trying to make it. I mean, look, these individual living rooms, you got to have plants. We got a lot of plants. We already got a plant right there. Can you see? Real or fake?

Fern? Nice couch. I mean, I'm sure fake, right? Whoa. I'm not a big plant guy. What? I'll tell you what. My wife loves doing the plants that don't need water.

What are those called? Cactuses? No. That? Bingo. No, there's air. Succulents? There it is. I'll tell you what, my wife loves doing the plants that don't need water What are those called? Cactuses? No, there's air Succulents? There it is Wife does the succulents, she thinks she has a green thumb I'll tell you what, anything that needs Those things are needy

Plants are needy And I have a lot of respect for people That have the time to do it But I'm not one of them I was not born with any of that type of thing fake plants and what type of amateur bullshit are we running over there what are we talking about things you have what 20 million people watching yeah 25 million people we can't get actual points come on water this everyone oh no no hold on they're real they're

real wow okay i like to hear that. That's good news. Yeah, Roger. I knew Roger. My guy who I just accidentally shushed said that they were all real. Yeah, the guy you shushed has been fucking birthing those plants for the last, like, and babying those plants for, like, the last six months. He's a powerful man.

Okay, so you think quarterback at number two, you believe it's still C.J. Stroud. The books say it's Will Levis. You can get good odds right now on C.J. Stroud at number two. You believe it's still C.J. Stroud. The books say it's Will Levis. You can get good odds right now on C.J. Stroud at number two if you want. Number four, they're kind of similar type odds there for the Colts at quarterback. We are going to push Chris Ballard on his thoughts there. He won't tell us anything.

That's kind of also been a tradition. He tells us absolutely nothing, but this is a pretty prominent time for the Indianapolis Colts when it hasn't been. Other news around the NFL that's taking place. We assume some trades are going to happen. Aaron and the Green Bay Packers and the Jets have resumed conversation. We find that to be interesting that it's breaking news,

but deadlines bring these types of conversations. The draft is just a few days away. How close do we think they are, and what are they kind of bickering over right now? Yeah, first of all, to me, it would be more, I mean, I reported, so theoretically it would be nice to say it was breaking news, but it was more as expected than anything else because it would be bigger news if the Jets and Packers were not talking right around now because this is kind of the time when a deal should get done.

I mean, presumably there would be a Friday pick that would be involved in this trade. And so it's got to get done at some point. And then if Roger's contract is adjusted, which I know he's talked about on your show, then it would probably have to be done in advance of that. So, like, I'm not sure this is something that could be done on the clock. I mean, I guess you could, but, like, I don't think that helps anyone to do it on the clock. It's probably more like a this week thing. I wouldn't

say they're close, but each conversation they get a little bit closer. It does seem like it's going to be able to get worked out, which is not a surprise because that's been sort of the thought all along. It has been inching to a finish line, and I'm sure fans are losing their brains about it but like i

do feel confident that it'll happen i think daily sports show hosts are losing their brains more than fans are you know just kind of waiting for something to happen but if it is a second which we all assume it'll be in this for this particular draft they could bundle their other two to potentially move into the top 31 thus why a deal being done before the draft getting started could potentially be something that the Packers would want to do they have proven this particular regime that they will trade in to the first round obviously they've done that in the past with Jordan Love that started this entire situation we think but I'm happy to hear they're getting closer and it was breaking news when you said, like, hey, you know, this Packers team who hasn't done anything free agency wise and hasn't had any money to spend.

They are now engaging in conversations to trade somebody that they've already said they would like to get the fuck out of their building. That's breaking news because what else have they been doing? Is that just scouting? You think all teams have just been focused so much on the draft the last few weeks? Is that why free agency kind of cools off over these last couple of weeks, you think? All teams have just been focused so much on the draft the last few weeks. Is that why free agency kind of cools off over these last couple weeks, you think? Well, yeah. And there's just, you know, there's the comp pick deadline, which if you're a team that didn't sign a lot of free agents, you can, and you have a guy you think you want, you could wait until after May, you know, 4th or 5th or whenever it is, so you don't blow a comp

pick. And, you know, I think obviously the quality of players diminishes as more and more gets signed. So there's not a great group out there. Let me ask you this, though. You're talking about the Packers trading in and whatever. So the Packers have pick 15. There is a possibility that Jackson Smith and Jimba is still there. He is, I think a lot of people believe, the top receiver.

jimba is still there he is i think a lot of people believe the top receiver if the packers take a receiver the year that aaron rogers is leaving them yes there's the whole world lose their mind hold on let's add on to that okay they take jackson smith and jimba aaron goes the otas huh wouldn't that be i... That'd be pretty good. That'd be like Revenge Bod. Yeah. Revenge Bod. Because everybody's like, hey, if you guys would have just done this, you know. Yeah, a couple years ago. Pretty cool.

Putting them together, you know, this whole thing a little bit different probably. And they're like, fuck them. Nah, fuck them. And then, oh, wait till they see what I do. It's like first round weapon, first time ever, basically. And, oh, yeah, I have to go learn the offense, so I am actually going to go to OTAs. That is going to be amazing for all parties.

Ty, I'm sure you're pretty pumped up to see how that goes. Let's pivot away from Aaron Rodgers. Let's go to another trade that could take place. News kind of broke today. Big price tag, though. Yeah, Ravshi, what's going on with the Titans and Ryan Tannehill? Obviously, you know, there's been some rumblings before about this, but it's kind of come back up now that they might be interested in moving him.

And also, if he has a $36 million cap hit, is it more likely that maybe they just do a post-one cut so that they can split that $18 million in dead money? You know, I would be surprised at this point if they moved on from Ryan Tannehill, mainly because they could have done it already. And if you're going to move on from your quarterback, you better have an answer. You better have a next quarterback, and you better have someone else who either you've already drafted or you're a trade that has been agreed to.

I think if you're the Titans, you know, Ryan Tannehill is in a spot now where obviously it's tenuous, right? But they didn't, they sort of didn't double down on him. They didn't try to lessen his cap hit. They're basically taking it all this year. And it feels more like a proven year for him than something where they're like going to move on from him. So maybe they just take the cap at this year. He goes out, he plays.

They visited with all the quarterbacks. So if they took one at 11 or traded up a little bit, I would be a little surprised, but not that surprised. Trade Tannehill, move up, get to two, get to three. But you've got to keep Tannehill in case. You can't trade him before. Yeah, agreed. That's why this draft week, there's so much shit that can happen.

That A.J. Brown trade came out of nowhere. That Hollywood Brown trade came out of nowhere for us, at least. I don't know about you. I understand you probably had a little bit of a heads up beforehand. Hollywood Brown, A.J. Brown, I did. Hollywood Brown, I did not. Hollywood Brown got on a flight. They did the trade.

It was secret. He was literally at the draft party, and no one had ever heard of it. I was excited to hear what it is. Yeah. Is that plants again? Is this still a plants issue? Is that a shoulder tap? No, I don't think it's plants, but it's unclear what's going on here.

Okay, so Aaron Rodgers, we assume, will be traded before the draft. Tannehill sounds like probably not. Dalvin Cook, is he going to be on the move? Who are some other players that we could potentially keep an eye on that could move pre-draft here or during draft night? Dalvin's an interesting one. I would say another one whose future is tenuous. I mean, he's due a big salary. I know his name has come up in draft discussions. There has been, you know, there has been nothing. And, you know, again, like if you're, you know, if you're the Vikings and let's say you do, let's say you do draft someone, draft a running back high, then maybe you make a decision there. Otherwise, like maybe it's a pay cut situation, which then, you know, if he declines the pay cut, then you probably release him or you try to trade him.

And there's, you know, I would say this, like it's it's not 100 percent certain that Dalvin Cook is on the Vikings at that salary. But there's a bunch of different ways. Derrick Henry. How about Derrick Henry? I haven't heard as much on Derrick. I heard a lot on him. I seen a lot of tweets. I seen a lot on him. I've seen a lot of tweets. I've seen a lot of tweets.

A lot of people tweeting. A lot of tweeting. I love Akbar. He is awesome on Ninja Warrior. One time he did a video for my son Jude when he had a Ninja Warrior party. I reached out to a source very much in the mix, and I asked, you know, because this was, was it Saturday or Sunday or Sunday was this weekend at some point and it was like 2 in the morning and source said Akbar should stick in Ninja Warrior oh oh it's Akbar

Baja be a Mia yeah first of all I'm rude Akbar Jesus I mean he's great he's a friend of mine he's 6'6". Absolutely jocked. So jocked. Incredible job on Ninja Warrior. He's so good. He's a good host. They had him at NFL Network doing something that nobody ever seen. He asked me to go do something with him. I'm like, love to do it.

As I'm doing it, I'm talking to him. I'm like, this dude's really good at what he does. Then I'm like, hey, where can we see this? Nobody saw it. He's a fucking monster. He's incredible at what he does. I'm very happy for him and all the success that he's had. I didn't even know.

I'm talking about A.J. Brown that was tweeting about it. Number 22 is wide open over here. There's other people talking about it. I did not know it was Akbar Baha Biamia. But if that is the case, I mean, Akbar has to know the case i mean akbar has to know somebody no probably somebody ian i mean i've i tried to verify i did not get anyone to verify and besides that tweet um which you know what happens it's like people see that tweet and then everyone starts tweeting about it and they're like well there's a lot of noise it has to be true and like well

wait where did this oh that's a bigger deal than. It has to be true. And you're like, well, wait. Where did this come out of? Oh, that's a bigger deal than just the draft, by the way. Yeah. That's kind of an internet issue. People lose their entire, you know, like people's entire, people get fucking killed before the one tweet that kind of laid it out. Oh, yeah. And then that one tweet that was false was like a bird call for other tweets

that are like, kinda. And then they all kind of go in, and then boom. Dead. Crushed. That's the internet. That's right. Exactly. Alright, it's tough out there. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck out there. Good luck out there. Ty Schmidt has something for you. Ian? Yeah, rap sheet. I think it was last week

the report came out that Trey Lance might be getting shopped, or at least that they're listening. And then with all the stuff with Brock Purdy where he basically said, I don't even know if I'm going to be able to play this year. Is that still a possibility? I know some people have kind of connected him potentially with the Titans because Rand Carthon's there and he was in San Francisco.

Is there any chance that Trey Lance maybe gets shopped on draft night, or is that kind of just all bullshit at this point? It's not fake. They did have conversations. They were receiving some calls, and it's not like they hung up the phone. These are things that they talked about, and obviously the 49ers are forward to themselves to have these conversations and see what is there.

I haven't heard the Titans on Trey Lance. I mean, anything's possible. I just have not heard them. I also. Yeah, but you just said you know somebody who told Akbar to stick to Ninja Warrior about the Titan situation. So you would know the Titan situation if we're just piecing things together. Because remember, that's what we have to do.

No, no, I'm just saying I haven't heard the Titans. Like, I have not heard that they'd be in it for Trey Lance, is what I'm saying. Yes. But what we just found out from your previous answer is that you're pretty tight with the Titans. You're almost a tighter Titan. Ooh.

Oh, there's the Titans. There's the Titans right there. Knock it off. Who could that have been? Not a planner, because you have no respect for them, but we will certainly think that it was somebody around the NFL. They weren't shopping, right? They were answering calls.

They said, which is what the Niners do. Any chance he moves? He was the number three overall pick. Yeah. No, and that's what kind of makes it interesting is you know that there's some team that says, we love this guy in the draft. He's only like 23, has played very little football, but very talented. Somebody else liked him as much as the Niners did. So I do think

they'll be able to trade him. I just don't know that they'll do it before they know for 100% sure that Brock Purdy's healthy. I saw Brock's comments. Everything I've heard has been probably more optimistic than his comments like that. They think there's a good chance he'll be throwing. They think there's a good chance that he'll be throwing by training camp and he'll be good to go. And if that's the case, then maybe this is something that happens in the late August or if someone

has a quarterback injury in training camp, who's calling you to somebody sweet. It's the, uh, blocked number call. The bane of my existence. Oh, so they're trolling you. These people are fucking with you?

Funny guys. Very funny. Any of these big GMs that you get information from that leak information to you? Kind of a rat move, but a part of the whole process. Do they have blocked numbers, or do they all have their their numbers open uh there are a couple two of them who call from block numbers and i'm always like why like we text and it's like well i've always had it and you never know and so they just like there's a couple people that when i get a block number like oh i better get that which if

that was one of these calls, then I'll be pretty grumpy. But usually they text. Well, I'd like to let you know, we apologize for you missing what is seemingly a very important call. I have a couple of people in my life that their number pops up as blocked whenever they call.

And I have a thing on my phone, a preference where it's like potential spam or block number, automatic fuck you button straight to the voicemail. Yep. It is fan. I get it. You what's that no i i appreciate that like if you're someone if someone knows you well and they're still calling

from block number like they should unblock for you if we're being real yeah but these are pretty big i mean the only the only people that do it are you know way up there sorry way up there that's why i'm intrigued by your job that the people are you. I don't have a horse in the Kentucky Derby. Congrats to you. So what happened? Your horse stabbed the thigh of another horse and then got into the Kentucky Derby kind of last minute?

No. Metaphorically, no. Blaze and Sevens. My horse was 21st in points. It's like a points system. My horse was 21st in points. It's like a point system. My horse was 21st in points. Blazing Sevens. I can't believe they're even allowed to say that with that movie reference. Yeah, no kidding.

In 2023. Jeez Louise. Pretty great name. Blazing Sevens is pointing to the Preakness. So a spot opened up in the Derby. My horse goes in. Jace's road is now in the Derby. 50 to 1 odds.

Here we go. It's not that bad. A chance. Happened last year. He's probably not going to win, but it's going to be really, really fun. Are you going to be there? Are you going to be there holding the whole thing? Oh, we're going to be there. We'll be hanging out in the owner's box and

owner's suite or whatever. It's going to be great. I got my suit. I got a new suit. It's going to be amazing. What's funny about that? No, no. Are you wearing no socks with the loafers, or what are we doing with the socks? I know your socks are super important. I'm a big sock guy.

Yeah, yeah. I thought he was jockeying. I'm going to probably go suit and sneakers. I think it's probably what I'm going to do. Ty just asked a very rude question. He thought you were potentially on the horse jockeying. You're not riding the horse right that is offensive i do understand why he asked but that is offensive that couch i mean how do you sit on that couch athletic enough to do it yeah that's what we

think so and tough enough mentally tough yeah so do you maul an arrow and uh lindsey zarniak will be there. Joy Taylor will be there. That's a little group of, you know. Is that the people that you all? Plus my wife and a couple of friends will be there. No, but you all own the horse together? Yeah.

Okay, good luck out there. Whole team. Wow. We're pulling for you guys. Let's get it done. What's the name? Jace's Road. That's a good name.

Jace's. Beautiful horse. How come we didn't get a chance to invest in Jace's Road? What's the good name. Jace's. Beautiful horse. How come we didn't get a chance to invest in Jace's Road? Seems like a little selfish. I didn't know he was going to be in the derby. It's like the odds are like 5% or something. It's crazy. So what do you get?

Do you get money for this? Or does it cost you money? How does this work? We have an agreement. You know, there's a whole big thing. What's that mean? Oh, you haven't invested a shit in this fucking horse. there's a whole big thing What's that mean? Oh, you haven't invested shit in this fucking horse There's a whole big thing

I post them on Instagram I post them on my Instagram There's a whole thing Hey, horse money's a real deal I do not know if he's going to win But I do not think at all he was going to be in the derby And this is extremely cool Yeah, but if he wins, then you just get to spread his seed forever yeah that's right rich forever off this thing from what a couple instagram stories good

business go right good business rap and look at that motivational speech you gave to jace's road there yeah my hands uh that's actually one of our other horses that's parnac but yes same thing parnac that that horse appears to be 55 hands jesus louise just hands Face is swallowing your hand there Have you been in there Have you done any of the rubbing The touching, the grooming, the trending I will go Horses interestingly

Don't love me I love the horses Hey does he have his guitar Oh yeah there's Tom right there Hey bring him, can you bring him back Hey Tom Come here I got airpods, you want me to take my airpods out Yeah, there's Tom right there. Hey, bring him. Can you bring him back? Can you bring him back? Hey, Tom. Come here.

I can't. I'm busy. I got AirPods. Do you want me to take my AirPods out? No, no. If you could, just one question. Just one question from me to him. Tom, good to see you.

That's good to see you. Hold on. Should I take my AirPods out? No, no. Ian, if you could. Good to see you. Good to see no. Ian, if you could. Oh, that would have been... Good to see you. Good to see you. That would have been... Tom, can you hear me?

I hear you, yeah. Oh, see, now there's no sound. Rap fucked it up. Rap, what do we... Did I mess it up? Hold on, hold on. We can hear you clear as day. Maybe go in the other ear.

Go to the other side, Tom. Tom. I got you. Tom, did you go the other... Can you hear? Hang on. Oh. Jesus. Rap, why'd go to the other? Can you hear? Hang on. Oh. Jesus.

Rob, why'd you do this? Did it work? There we go. Now try it. Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. Tom, you there? What's up? Okay, Tom.

How we doing? Tom, I want to let you know, we as a program have grown to be incredible fans of yours. We saw you playing your guitar on good morning football an emmy winning show you had numerous different sets you were you were actually out there jommin you know you were a jomba sweet talented yeah yeah it was awesome we've seen pictures of you obviously at like little hole-in-the-wall bars you playing your music having a good time right we we are massive fans of the man that we thought was actually plugged in from an NFL computer and just better to read a memo than everybody else.

We are huge. You had an opportunity to speak to Roger Goodell, to ask him a question about fucking anything, Tom. Anything. He said, anybody have any questions? It never happens. Open room, open forum. You? It never happens. Open room. Open forum.

You're in a room where it happened. You go, excuse me, isn't it about time to say fuck off to the kicker? That was your question, Tom. What are we even talking about? It could have been. It was not my best phrased question of all time. I'll tell you, for two days, I was getting text messages from people in the NFL, GMs, coaches going, what did you do to Maxie? Because your tweet was just so out of context

telling me to F Mike. I apologize. I found it to be a very good question. Your phrasing was just so rude. It was like, I just learned a lot about you. Yeah. I just learned a lot about you. I can tell right as I got to the end of it because Ian's sitting behind me, and I hear him snort laugh right as I said the kicker. I hear him go like, I'm like, okay, I'm going to get some crap for that. But I appreciate you watching, though.

I'm glad you took in all 45 minutes of Roger there. Well, I watched for you, Tom. So, you know, that was the reason why we were all watching. So whenever you phrased that question that way, I was so offended. I'm like, this guy, why is this what you're spending? But could you imagine

if we would have got a good answer out of that and actually heard him say that he was going to change a fucking kickoff rule in a press conference? That would have been bananas. We want to let you know, we're past it. We love you, Tom.

We love you. We love you, Tommy. Appreciate you. Appreciate you. We've got to love you Appreciate you Yeah, yeah, I understand You don't need it though Tom, we're friends Can he compute love? Can he compute empathy? We're not 100% sure We know you have to go

Tone Diggs has the last question for you quickly There's been reports that the GMs think this fucking draft stinks So does that mean like like, bottom half of the first round, we're going to see guys or teams trying to trade back? What does that lead to, you think? Okay, I wouldn't say it's bad. So basically, the way this draft

seems to be structured, based on the people I've spoken with, is like, you know, a handful of really, really high-end talent guys. You know, the couple quarterbacks, Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Bijan, et cetera, and then kind of flat throughout the rest of the first round. But then, like, second, third, fourth round are all really, really, really deep. Oh, yeah.

Oh. Hell, yeah, a lot of good teamers. A lot of good special teamers coming out. Like, a lot of running backs, a lot of tight ends. A lot of tight ends. You know, and, like, so, like, second, third, fourth round, it's really strong. It's just, like, not a ton of high-end guys after the initial group in the first round. All right.

Well, we'll continue to hopefully call you and chat with you while you're out in Kansas City for two weeks covering this NFL draft. First round, probably going to have 20 busts if we had to guess. Because the NFL is hard, but we can't wait for the draft spectacular, and we appreciate the hell out of you, pal. Appreciate you guys. I will see you, I don't know, somewhere. Tell Tom we appreciate him and his phrasing needs work on it. Tell those planners thank you for their work.

Yeah, they're doing a great job. I will definitely pass that along. Real plans. So, there you go. You're the best. Ian Rappaport. Yay, Rappaport! So, you heard me laugh in the middle of one of his answers. Yeah.

Turns out the name of that test, S2, not C2, I've been calling him. Oh, shit. I've been actually texting with the guy that started the whole thing, saying, you're a C2 thing. Yeah. What did he say? Well, he's not. He's just kind of kept it cool this entire time. Nice one. He's actually saved in my phone, C2 test guy.

So I do apologize. It's the S2. That's how new it is to public. Exactly. Honest mistake. It's a cognitive test, C2. So as Rappaport's giving his Tannehill answer, Bruce Brown, who's sitting in for Zito,

Zito, who's sitting in for Evan Fox, Bruce Brown he goes by the way that is the S2 test not the C2 test. And I go you hear me laugh in the middle of Tannehill's answer. All the boys over here's eyes

just go what the fuck are you listening to? He's in the middle of a real answer. So that video could potentially go you know me laughing in the middle of a Tannehill. Well, I looked at the text. So that video could potentially go, you know, me laughing in the middle of a Tannehill answer. I have no idea what he was saying. The only thing I was listening to was the fact that I've been disrespectful to this guy

for at least two to three days now in the text message. And I'm going to start out with an apology whenever he joins us at 2.15. The founder of the S2 Cognitive Test, Brandon Alley, will be joining us. The best part about this is, I believe you texted us yesterday saying that the C2 guy was going to be on.

In my head, originally, I said pre-workout guy was coming on, and then I realized. Yeah, nobody corrected me. I thought nothing of it. I said, oh, great. We got the C2 guy. Yeah.

I thought pre-workout, but then I realized it was just a typo. We are the worst. I thought it was like the C2 classes, not the. Is C2 pre-workout though? Oh, yeah. Okay. All I know is...

C4. All I know is that guy has probably spent his entire life building this test. Nick loves that. Yeah, I know. Nick is enjoying a big pop out of the back. Just me being an absolute asshole. I apologize. Cognitive kind of gets you.

Yeah, exactly. Because you think you would shorten that word because it is not necessarily the most beautiful word. It's the S2. I'm sure there's a reason. Standardized. Of course. Smarts. Dude, I have no.

We'll figure it out. Why didn't he correct you in the first place? He's a nice guy, I think. The way this guy was talking about why they created what they created and then what it became on Friday with CJ. I think this guy is like, we need to talk about this. Clear the air. Yeah, we'd like to clear the air because I think the CJ Stroud leak wasn't – it was a fugaze.

I don't think it was right. Yeah. But then it's also being used against athletes whenever his whole goal and intention was like to help athletes as opposed to it being weaponized. So I'm very excited to chat with him. He's been around, I guess, for a good bit. Yeah, 2014, I think it said. And it's just never been made public.

Teams have been using it, I guess, for a long time. Now it's kind of almost made its way to the mainstream because everybody has a source everywhere about everything. So it's only a matter of time before everything that you do will be found out publicly. If you're an NFL team, I think that is real. But if this is a great weapon, which it appears're an nfl team i think that is real but if this is a great weapon which it appears as if a lot of people think it is good news for this guy who founded s2

names brandon alley will be joining us about an hour and 20 minutes yeah and it does suck for cj stroud that you know the s2 thing did come out but he had to know at some point like okay there's going to be a time in this process where i'm going to get fucking slaughtered and it's probably not going to be true but someone's going to end up trading bryce young caught it early yeah exactly short yeah this guy's he's gonna play quarterback or are you gonna be in a kentucky derby what are we he's 5 10 what are we what are we even talking about here's the list of 5 10 quarterbacks that have been good. Nobody. Oh, Drew Brees, he's like 5'11". The guy's considered small. Nobody.

That was what was said. And I even felt bad having to ask the question to people that were in the know. Like, hey, I don't want to have to say this because it's not Bryce Young's fault. This is not. No. But like 5'10", small, right? Like that is a small quarterback. And everybody was like, it is small.

You're going to have to take the bet. And then after everybody watched the film, they're like, does not matter. This guy could be 5'6 with how good he is at football. And then it kind of moved past. Now he's minus 2,000 to be the first overall pick. C.J. Stroud last week seemed to be the week, which is not good. It's week before the draft. Hopefully it's kind of over.

He was taking a bunch of shots. The S2 founder said that that's not real. This is not a real thing. So a lot of blasphemy going on with C.J. Stroud. But it's draft season, to your point. This is just kind of what happens. And normally it's the team that wants you. Yes.

That is putting on all the terrible shit because they're hoping other teams will pass on you, even though we're told every building doesn't listen to the outside noise. Well, and that's what stinks is, like, obviously all the stuff with, like, Levis being the favorite to go number two is conjecture now. But, like, you look at CJ Stroud, like, all that stuff was bullshit, but, like, the damage is almost already been done. Publicly. Yeah, publicly.

Based on all that stuff, it's like if he does slide to four or five now or whatever, like, you have a tough time saying, like, oh, all that shit people were saying. Like, it has a direct correlation with – Slide to five, that's hilarious, isn't it? Yeah, exactly all that shit people were saying. It has a direct correlation. Slide to five, that's hilarious. Yeah, exactly. Slide to five is hilarious. It's possible.

This guy had to wait until pick 22. It was like, 21 picks he had to wait. Yeah. That's crazy. To get into the men's league that has teams already filled in generations and generations. There's 40-year-olds playing in the NFL still. That's a spot that is taken. It's not like in college where you get a scholarship offer. Now the COVID year was an additional year, but you're like actually taking the spot of

somebody who's graduated, can't play anymore. You have 38, 39-year-olds playing in the NFL still. They were obviously the best of their class. And then every other year afterwards, They were obviously the best of their class. And then every other year afterwards, still holding it up. So if 10 of these guys go on to become superstars, that's a massive success. It's when people say, he fell all the way to eight. It's like eighth overall. There's 270 picks in his fucking draft.

I got picked 222. And every time I hear people be like, that guy had a long first round. It's like, first round? How about that? Thinking I was going back to fucking school. First six rounds. And I had no idea if I was ever going to be able to do it because I literally was opting to fail classes. Like, oh, this guy's making sandwiches for the rest of his life.

Sweet. Got a big leg. Can't make it in the league. Am I going to Europe? Do they even have a game over there? Nope. And that's all the way up until pick 221. And then I get picked.

It's like, boom. I'm going to be an NFL forever. Let's go. I go, what position? Ponder and iron. I've got to figure it out. But it's like boom i'm gonna be in the nfl forever let's go i got what position partner and i'm gonna figure it out but it's like there is so much conjecture about the first couple guys that i guess they're just used to it but chances are they're not going to be great but that's the kind of life in the nfl well and i wonder if he wonders too like well fuck if i would have declared last year you know i would have been a surefire number one pick like a

quarterback didn't go until 20 at kenny pickett like I would have been a surefire number one pick. Like, the quarterback didn't go until 20 at Kenny Pickett. Like, there would have been no discussion. That's so interesting. Yeah, but it would have sucked to be number one overall, and then, like, number 20 is going to be a Hall of Famer. But what Ian was saying. Diehard Pittsburgh Steelers, Kevin Diggs. And what you've said and what we've heard from bookmakers

and stuff like that is that they know just as much as pretty much anyone does, but Ian would know, you would help or think the most, and he still thinks it's – Quarterback. Yeah, too. And it does feel like maybe what if it was even the Texans that were drumming this up about C.J. Stroud so that he drops a little,

and then that would make it easier for them to trade up if they wanted to with 12. You know what I mean? Because there's so many different angles for teams. 12, you'd assume Hendon Hooker potentially him to with 12. Interesting. You know what I mean? Because there's so many different angles. So at 12, you'd assume Hendon Hooker potentially going to be available. Yes. So if they love Hendon Hooker,

which you could easily see, tall, smart, winner, coming off an ACL, I guess. But we'll have a year because... But Nolan... Smith. Smith from Georgia. Now, granted, Hendon wasn't able to work out, I don't think, yet.

Wasn't able to run. He was coming off an injury. He was all the way back, ran a 4-3. He's healthier than he's ever going to be or whatever. They're talking about him moving all the way up because he didn't get to play the tail end of the college football season, so he didn't have as much hype as Jalen Carter had whenever he was playing in the national championship.

It's like if Hendon Hooker doesn't just blow his knee out on a very standard play down in South Carolina where he was just kind of going off the edge, his knee buckles or whatever out of nowhere, he'd be, I would love to hear where they would project him to go. Oh, yeah. Like I would love to hear the conversation about him being, oh, he's the number two guy.

Yeah. Oh, he's the number one guy all of a sudden. He is very, very good at football. And I think there's going to be a team that loves him. I think there's going to be a team that loves him i think there's going to be a team that's like hey hendon hooker's our guy we like the fact that nobody's really talking about him and if you can get him 10 11 12 13 yes and you that's a win mass that is a massive that's why massive win because you'll be able to receive some shit on the other side for that. The number right now is set at four and a half for quarterbacks in the first round. I mean, if you think Hennon's going to get taken, I would assume it's going to be.

Who's not going to get taken that we think is going to get taken, though? Anthony Richardson, is that what that's going to be? Early? No, just in the first round. Malik Willis was top five pick last year. Yeah, I remember that. Let's go to a break. He didn't go to the third round.

Does it feel a little different just because of how these quarterback contracts are structured? Just because Geno gets a three-year deal, but it's really a one-year deal. And like Goff, how much time is actually left on his contract? If you're one of those teams, do you really think, okay, you know what? We're going to suck and we're going to have a better opportunity. I think Geno's a two-year deal. Is it two? I think it is.

It's a three-year deal, but every one is. It's a three-year deal, but every one of these deals is a two-year deal. Yeah, they're all different. So if you don't get a guy this year, you would think you could get a guy next year and have a year of that grooming still that you would hope for it. But Jordan Love was picked up earlier than

anybody expected. It's all about, does the person who can pull the trigger like the person? To his point, both of those teams have two first-round picks, so maybe you could use, like, if they're still sitting around at your second pick, then you could take a flyer. Or the first one, too. It's like, hey, we have a top, I mean, what, Detroit's six, Seattle's five.

It's like we're not going to be up here again because we have a good one. And the Raiders. Same exact thing. They're eight. Or for, like, Hennon Hook hooker any of those teams who are kind of in the back end of the first round like you know like the the saints or like the vikings who have a guy currently but like they can kind of see like okay well we're not going to have kurt cousins for another you know seven years like there's kind of a little bit of a clock on him so like if we can get a guy like hennon hooker who if he doesn't hurt his knee,

might have been a top-five talent, why not take him at 26, 27? Let's get to a break. On the other side, A.J. Hawk will join us. Plus, your phone call is on the 5RNG phone line. Call 1-833-432-3663 or 1-833-4-DADOM. Can't wait to hear what people are thinking on this incredibly exciting Draft Spectacular week. Hell yeah. Thursday night, it's happening.

I know. Fireworks. We're going to be live for like 14 hours on this. We have no idea what's going to happen. None. We know what's happening in here, though. We got some shit. Yeah.

The people out there don't. Hey, we got some shit for Thursday night. Starting about 745-ish. 740-ish. Yeah. Another Foxy flick debuting from last year to kick off the show. That'll be awesome. And then we'll get into it.

And then Chris Ballard joining us, 7.55. Then we're off. Boom. Numerous GMs joining us. Numerous, like six of them. Yeah, no big deal. Either immediately before or immediately after their picks. Mostly after, somewhat before.

Right. Okay. That make sense. Yeah. Got some legends stopping by. I think maybe a player that gets drafted or two. Whoa. Okay.

That'd be new for this year. That would be. Yeah. That'd be very new for this year. Yeah. That'd be a great little addition. And then we got Axe, Talents. Boom.

To pass the time. Time to Ursaian his band. Don't give it away. It's all supposed to be a surprise. Talents. Boom. It's past the time. It's time to Ursae and his band. Don't give it away. It's all supposed to be a surprise. Ursae and Sons? Could you imagine fucking the Jim Ursae collection comes in here? He's so good. And he's put on a concert in the middle of the draft.

Is he going to wear that costume? The one him and Tex are wearing down there at that movie? That was sick. It was sick. I was worried about that. Tex, if you go to Jim Ursae's Twitter, he posted a photo from a movie set. One of Jim Irsay's new things, I believe, is investing in movies. Okay.

Be careful, Jim. What's that mean? Producing? Yep. So he's become a producer of movies. I think he's done a few of them. He's on the most recent set of the one he's doing. Him and the head security for the Colts for a long time.

Seemingly now, Jim's security from this photo is what I've taken away from it. Yeah. he's doing him and the head security for the culture a long time seemingly now jim security from this photo is what i've taken away from it yeah they need to dress like they're out of the colonial times more often yeah every day these two look fucking awesome yeah i'm trying to see if bruce is found here or not or if he's even attempting to well i mean the other thing he's got it boom jim looks awesome awesome. Yes, he does. Dressed like that every day. And then Tex looks like he's going to the butcher shop. That's Tex, by the way. You don't want to run into that guy.

No. Tex is the Colts security guy for a long time now. It appears as if he just hangs out with Jim and dresses up in costumes with him. Jim was doing some line readings, too. He sounded damn... He was in character. Is Tex in character, too? I didn't listen to the video.

They both were. Fuck yeah, dude. How are the Colts ever going to win a Super Bowl? Why? Because our owner's playing cosplay? Bingo. What are you? Bingo.

What's wrong with that? Peter Berg. That's actually exactly what's going on. Oh, sue me. Peter Berg. Don't actually. Vinny's dream rule. Whatever.

You remember that fucking asshole kid from Texas that tried to shut it all down? Yep. With his dad's oil money? That's right. Travis McCradle. Boom. I have no clue what you guys are talking about. Oh, this kid that comes from oil money invested in the Entourage movie.

Oh, yeah. His dad is Bill Bob Thornton. The Icy Dead People kid. Yes. And then Vinny Chase fucked his girl. That's right. Oh, boo. His dad is Bill Bob Thornton. The Icy Dead People kid. Yes. And then Vinny Chase fucked his girl. That's right. Oh, boo-hoo. Yeah.

Emily Radikowski. Exactly. He tried to tank the movie. And he tried to ruin it all. This is bad. Do this, do this, do that. Drama stinks in it. Boom.

That was all a lie. Drama was great in it. And... He's banging hookers. Jimmy... Boom. Yes. Jimmy liked that. About any of that. Jim just He's banging hookers. Jimmy... Oh. Yes. Jimmy ain't like that about any of that.

Jim just wants good content. Yeah. That's why him making movies is great for the Indianapolis Colts. Because I thought he just wants two Super Bowls by 2030, though. That's what he told Chris. We were told that, yeah. He's going to get two Oscars. Which, kind of.

Similar. Yeah. That's why they built the statue out there. Let's get to a break. Organization's never going to win a fucking thing. Oh, sorry. The guy has other interests outside of just Colts football.

No, Hey, absolutely. But what? After the draft, he's got four months to dick around on sets. He was ready to answer any question that Chris powered had on set. Of course.

No, I'm more in that, in that thing that Texas where all set. Of course. No, I'm more. In that thing that Tex was wearing? Yep. All of his notes from the draft. That's right. Pull that video back up, please. Could we please pull that video back up?

Tex had all of Jim Irsay's notes. Boom. Right in the front there. Tucked in there. Like a marsupial of notes. Okay. That's what he had in the front. Well said.

Is he a welder? Might be a blacksmith. Blacksmith, yeah. Yeah, it looks like a blacksmith. Dude, Tex. Yeah. Is he a welder? Might be a blacksmith. Blacksmith, yeah. Yeah, it looks like a blacksmith. Dude, Tex? Yeah. Tex is a butcher. Right?

Isn't that a... That does look like a butcher get-up. Look at the shoes say... Jim ain't fucking around. Look at that cane and sword or whatever the fuck that is. That thing is cool.

Does it have a leash on it? What's... I don't know. Yeah, what's this movie about, huh? It's about winning Super Bowls. You would never understand it on it? I don't know. What's this movie about, huh? It's about winning Super Bowls. You would never understand it. Well, I don't think Jim would either, but I do think I'd be more worried about an Alex Baldwin

Russ situation. Whoa! All charges were dropped. Something happened there. I did see that over the weekend. We hope nobody ever dies ever again. But we do fear people will. Let's get to a break. A.J. Hawk on the other side. I hope we never have to do that again. There was a time where we had to do a moment of silence. Yeah, hated that. And genuinely wished. I feel like we all had a genuine hope

that we would never have to do it again. The last one ever. Thought there was a chance we wouldn't either. It's a shame. Happens all the time. I hate it. I'm done with it. Yeah. Joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion,

a... That's... That's Tony Dogs. Hold on. Absolute dog. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the face of Ohio, A.J. Hawk.

Yay! A.J., what's going on, pal? I get mistaken for digs all the time That's an absolute compliment So thank you whoever's working the cameras Well it is Zito's filling in for Foxy there Bruce filling in for Zito So there's a whole new second line

Foxy will be back tomorrow It is a massive massive week though AJ Draft Spectacular Thursday night Aaron Rodgers probably on the move What have you heard? What do you know? What are you excited about AJ? I'm trying to figure out if there's any truth to anything going on right now

and what might the truth be and what's the motive behind anything being said. So as you heard, we'll be talking to the founder of the S2. Yep, yep. You put that text out. When you put that text out, I didn't respond. I was like, why are we talking to the Celsius people? I guess that's a big deal.

I thought it was Celsius. I really did. Yeah, so it's called s2 not c2 all right yeah you can see how cleared it up before we got here well the s is really just two c's stacked on top of each other opposite directions you know what i mean if you start thinking about it and cognitive is involved in there that's clearly a c right there so i do apologize to brandon alley one of the founders of the c2 test it's all right it's what it was it's all right trial error test it's the test the cognitive test the no but there's a bunch of them this one has become the one so i do believe we should separate one of the founders of the s2 cognitive test brandon alley join us. And I think that's what you're referring to. Whenever shit starts getting leaked about C.J. Stroud, what's real, what isn't real?

Whenever we start hearing, oh, Tannehill's on the move, what's real, what's not real? Packers and Jets are talking again. What's real, what's not real? It's draft season. That's why I think you have to appreciate the magic because everybody seems to be bullshitting, A.J. Yeah, but also at the same time, all these GMs, all the people that are actually pulling the strings going to make things happen on draft night, they don't really know either. It all depends on what happens before them. They have to have 15 different plans in place depending on what

goes on before they pick. We have gotten a little intel on how some of these mocks go. They're doing a lot of mock drafting themselves behind closed doors because what happens if this team trades up, takes this player, these are the only players available we only have three minutes five minutes to make a decision what are we going to want to do if we want to make a trade how do we present it to get it done as quickly and efficiently as possible a lot of mocking i believe tomorrow at four o'clock the nfl is doing a rehearsal yep for the draft so all eyes will be on that to see if anybody gives anything away they won't because it'll be some low-level person. But the NFL has fully invaded Kansas City already.

This has become a pivotal time in the NFL schedule. You know, we talked about with Ian Rappaport. He said Philly was kind of like the gold standard. And then Nashville became the gold standard. And he's saying that Kansas City is going to outdo them all because of how beautiful the setup is. And we got to see the green room. It looked amazing.

But I like the fact that the NFL has kind of taken this in as a chance to make it feel special because it is. There's dreams coming true on Thursday night, AJ. Yeah, all these. Think about it. You see all the emotion. A lot of the clips are popping up of like DK Metcalf getting drafted, all these guys getting drafted

and seeing how emotional it is. Next year is the draft in Vegas? Do we know? That was last year in Vegas. Cleveland maybe? Super Bowl in Vegas next year. Whatever it is. Every year though, do we know how far in advance? Do we know the next five years of

drafts? Because it's obviously a traveling circus from now on, I guess. So just like Super Bowl is how cities have to put together full pitch decks to get a Super Bowl and a presentation, cities spend a lot of money to put together a deck to potentially get the Super Bowl. Like the presentation to potentially get a multi-billion dollar event in your city, that costs a lot of money and obviously

there's only gonna be one per year i assume the nfl is looking for the same type of thing like hey you want the draft they had 250 000 people live in nashville they're saying there's going to be even more people the city reaps benefits from all these things i assume kansas city is going to show out beautifully we know where next year is it's in detroit we do not know where the fall year is yet so there i wonder how long until they'll just go, you know what, let's just put it in Nashville because Nashville's perfect. It is. And the way they set it up with that,

what is it, Broadway Street? Unbelievable. What is it? Broadway Street? I've never been to Nashville. Sue me. Don't, but sue me. It's a beautiful city. It looks beautiful. It is an amazing city. That place is really taking off, I think, AJ, and obviously it has been. You have a friend with. It looks beautiful. It is an amazing city. That place has really taken off, I think, AJ, and obviously it has been.

You have a friend with Raw Land down there. That takes his point. Have you chatted with Aaron at all? Have you got any updates on where he is in life, what he's up to? Is he working out? Is he still playing tag with Alan Lazard? I don't know. Has he posted any workout videos? I know he said he's been working out, hasn't he,

at his normal place that he goes to? Okay, sounds like that is what he's doing. Okay, so he's working out at the normal place that he's at. Anything else we need to know, AJ? I don't know. I'm just waiting for him to, like, have – maybe he'll get some footage together and he'll send it to Foxy eventually and Foxy can put together a little workout vid

and then you can get super excited for the season, like when he puts out some high-quality – like, oh, look at this pass he just threw. Listen, we're going to be super excited. The guy went back to back. MVP is just like a year removed from that. So he's going to be very good at football wherever or however, or whenever he becomes a New York jet.

What are you hearing on that front? This thing's happening soon or what? What are you, what are you hearing on that front from me? I heard a little bit of what Ian said. It does like the parameters all have to be in place before the draft, right? Before Thursday night? Yeah, so you assume Wednesday feels like the actual deadline.

Yeah. Because even if it's a second rounder, now you have two seconds. Do you trade into first with that? Do you get another one? Do you move? Like, there's so much to kind of debate before you even get into it. There's still some free agents available. Especially with the draft, too, right?

Don't you think, especially with this draft, I believe you guys said that there's like 15 guys that are considered first-round picks in this draft? So one GM anonymously told somebody I can't remember right now. Monday Morning Quarterback, Albert Breer. Albert Breer. Anonymous source told Albert Breer. Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback with Sports Illustrated.

Has kind of become a TMZ-ish on social media. Kind of become a... Yeah, just kind of... They've had to adapt. Sports Illustrated has had to adapt. And I appreciate that they have. They've started doing more things, aggregating rumors and stuff like that

and posting it. But Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback, been around a long time, knows a lot of people. If you have 15 first-round grades, that class sucks. and stuff like that and posting it. But Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback, been around a long time, knows a lot of people. If you have 15 first-round grades, that class sucks. I got less than 15 this year. Oh. They're saying this class sucks.

And then Ian Rapport told us, fourth round, though, very deep. It's like, okay, what does that mean? If you can play, you can play, no matter where you're drafted. Bingo. That's what I don't get. Yeah, that's why I guess it's just the scores going in to the draft. Maybe the GM stuff. Like the potential of becoming a star or whatever, I guess, is what they're drafted. Bingo. That's what I don't get. Yeah, that's why. I guess it's just the scores going in to the draft. Maybe the GM stuff. Like the potential of becoming a star or whatever, I guess, is what they're saying.

But still, if you can play, you can play, whether you're drafted or not. I do like the fact that you don't rate them just from what's available. This year, you rate them against just a universal rating. As opposed to, like, hey, this year, this is who we can draft, so we're going to rate them against each other. Yeah. They're doing a universal standard. Like, last year, this is who we can draft, so we're going to rate them against each other. They're doing like a universal standard. Like, last year, this guy will have been third runner.

It's like, well, it's not last year. It's fucking this year. And we have 31 picks in the first round. Congrats, we lost one in the first round. So one of your teams doesn't have to make a terrible pick in your eyes. But I don't understand why that's even being brought up. Compared to who? Fourth rounders. Like, like last year's draft they're fourth rounders because this year if you're deep in fourth round that means probably third and second round right is where they're going i don't fully understand it but i can't wait for nobody's nobody's conceding their first round pick are they

as far as i know well i'm saying hey we don't we don't we don't feel there's anybody and they might we definitely will see people try to trade out most likely, but you've got to pick somebody. A lot of people going back, I think. Trying. We can't really understand what this means. A lot of fourth-round draft scores. It's like you only get one pick in fourth. What does that even mean?

Are you comparing this? But we do believe from all sounds of it, a lot of people trying to get this way in the draft after five. So that means there could be a lot of action. Teams that sucked could be trying to get up to get more picks that are decent players because they're trying to build a program. So maybe we see a lot more trades. Maybe we see a lot of teams do some very boring stuff,

which is not pick fucking anybody, and let's get out of here. Yeah, and like Rap Sheet mentioned, if Stroud doesn't go too, and then that third pick becomes an absolute bidding war to go up to get stroud and then if some of those other quarterbacks fall like if any if levis or richardson or hendon hooker then will we see more guys you know try and get up into the top 10 to take them peter schrager who was the number one draft predictor uh last year and the only reason why we know that is because we actually kept score because our guy mitt put together his mock draft and he had a chance to win a ten thousand dollar bonus or something like that yeah if he was in the top three of the six mock drafters that we

kept track of schrags number one over everybody he put out his five things he heard this weekend about the draft on good morning football this morning or Or number one, B. John Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, they're both going to the first round. Okay. That's wild. A lot of talking about not as many running backs, but I want to let you know B. John Robinson, potential top ten, Jameer Gibbs, they're both going to the first round.

I don't think that was that groundbreaking. No. Go ahead. Big odds movement on that one. A week ago it was plus 350 over under one and a half. Now it's even money over under one and a half. And that's probably because of what Schrag said, so I guess it is breaking news what Schrag said. It sounded like

towards the end of last week, softening on the running backs, more specifically these two. Jalen Carter won't fall out of the top six. That's big news. Yeah. Because Drew Rosenhaus and Jalen Carter agreed not to travel to anybody outside the top ten during draft visits. We assume that meant the Philadelphia Eagles were their safety net.

Now, top six is where he's potentially projected to go, AJ. That's big news for the best defense alignment in the draft, everybody says. Yeah, I mean, Schrags could have taken the easy way and said he won't fall out of the top 10, right? So he must know something to say top six. Yeah, that's... Another backstop? Yeah, could he sort it, though? Lions, new safety something to say top six. Yeah, that's... Another backstop? Yeah.

Lions, new safety net. Could be Lions because they've talked about it. Fox is not here. We'll see him tomorrow. We'll ask him about that. Or the Lions, the new safety net. Or Seattle, maybe. Yeah, I've seen a lot of that.

Maybe Seattle takes him at five, and six is just like, you know, here's Seattle. That's five. Let's add another one so I don't give away my source. Yeah. Right? Because now we're playing cards against humanity with Schrags.

Right. So maybe it's Seattle. I mean, but literally anything can mean anything. Let's go to the next one that Schrags heard this weekend. Sam Laporta could go before Darnell Washington. Whoa. Now, this is big news, AJ. What are your thoughts on Sam Laporta?

Well, all the tight ends. We hear this is like the deepest, like most talent-laden class, right, in the long time for tight ends? Don't we know this? Yeah. Is Sam Laporta the first tight end going to be drafted? No. Maybe.

Mayer's probably going. Dalton Kincaid, he's potentially going. But what did you see on film about sam laporte jay that made you say this guy's you know what he's a big body he can he creates matchup issues especially put him on linebacker put him on safety good luck not covering this guy and he's a road grader when you need to run well they're saying they're saying he's going before darnell washington we obviously got to see darnell washington live in person His size is not... I'd like to throw to Darnell. If I was a quarterback, I

wouldn't mind throwing to him. Hell yeah. Both hands too. Right or left. You know, because you know, you just shot put that motherfucking thing in the area. He's bigger than whoever's going to be guarding him. And they said he just... Because Brock down there is the big weapon. He's a road grader. Sam Laporta

must be a fucking dog, dude. He is. He's an Iowa Hawkeye. Oh, you went to Iowa? That's right. Of course we knew that. That offense was very efficient. That is exactly where you should be taking offensive weapons at. Well, that's the thing, though, is you put him in Georgia's offense and look what the guy does. How's he going to get on the field?

What are you talking about? How is he going to get on the field, Georgia's offense? They're running three tight ends? Because he's going ahead of fucking Darnell Washington. He's a better player. That's how. That's how he's getting on the field. What do you talking about? How is he going to get on the field, George's offense? They're running three tight ends? Because he's going ahead of fucking Darnell Washington. He's a better player. That's how. That's how he's getting on the field. What do you mean?

Six-foot-seven guy? I don't know. Laporte is like 6'6", 2'6". He's massive as well. Who's that kid from Old Dominion we had on the program? Zach. Kutz. Yeah, Kutz.

Yeah, Kutz. Not pronounced. Kutz is a dog. Hey, there's a lot of good weapons at tight ends here. What's the overrunner for tight ends? Three and a half, I believe. I, cunts. That's pronounced. Cunts is a dog. Hey, there's a lot of... Some good weapons at tight ends here. What's the over-under for tight ends? Three and a half, I believe. I'm going over. How many six-foot-seven fucking guys that can run are they're going to get taken?

Bruce is six-eight. What? Okay. I mean, have the odds changed for number one overall then? Two and a half tight ends. That's my bad. Oh, I'm so technically over. Three and a half was wide receivers.

A lot of people thinking that one might actually go under. I like the under on that. I like the over on tight ends. That's my bad. Oh, I'm so technically over. Three and a half was wide receivers. A lot of people thinking that one might actually go under. I like the under on that. I like the over on tight ends. Look at us, AJ. We're making this thing happen. First round. First round, right? Two and a half, take the over for tight ends.

What's Sam Laporta have? Three catches last year? No, he had like 46. They threw the ball 46 times last week? He caught probably 85% of the passes they threw last year. He had a very good year. I would like to let Sam Laporta know I apologize because the only thing i'm looking at is la punter on that team because their offense is so goddamn terrible he had 58 catches which is um i didn't think they threw

the ball 58 times he might have only had like two or three drops like he is i mean he's a dog sam laporta is very good that's why i said you know like it's kind of the same thing when you look at iowa with like kittle and stuff like, what these guys end up doing in the NFL. And then you look back, it's like, why the fuck did George Kittle have 23 receptions for 250 yards and a touchdown his senior year? Hey, why were we averaging four points a game with this guy on our team? Exactly.

That's all the bonus. You're right, so we shouldn't judge Sam Laporta. No, no. He is going to be a player. Boy's going to be a star. Sam, I hope you end up in Indianapolis, pal. But I also wouldn't mind Darnell Washington, who was a part of a team that won in an efficient offense.

Very. And they had success. You guys punting. I get it. Being the most explosive play you have. I understand. Believe me, I watched every fucking game. It's not easy.

But if you take Stetson Bennett, and he's raising hell in Iowa City instead of down in Athens, we're having a different discussion. Oh, you think it was the players. You don't think it was potentially the offense? The offensive coordinator is, like I said, the chairman of the Lucky Sperm Club. He stinks, but he's going to be around. That's something we're going to have to deal with. The quarterback was also.

How do you guys still like the dad because of what's going on? Yes. It's kind of his fault. He's a great football coach. Great football he yeah he is he just lets his offense be inept and says you know what yeah run it back run it back run it back aj i don't like i understand that kirk has built up a lot of love with iowa and every player that i know that went to iowa loves kirk ty loves kirk they sing his praises it like, don't fire his kid. What are we talking about?

What are we even? Isn't that a weird spot, huh? No, it's not a weird spot. It's fucking D1 football. But when you think of Iowa, you think of Kirk Ferentz. Ty, how do you say it? Certainly not Ferentz. Yeah, when you think about Iowa, though. It's fucking Ferentz.

That's what I'm saying. It shows you how good of a duty is now he like embodies the whole state like that's you can't think of iowa football without him okay so is this like northwestern like northwestern fitzgerald bam yeah kissing he was a linebacker back in the day yeah you guys like northwestern i was like north iowa football is like northwestern football you're a hundred% right. Certainly not. Northwestern's on the up and up, though. Oh, sure.

They always have been, man. They'll win like three games, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, it takes like a fucking 1600 to get in here. Fitzgerald damn near got the fucking Packers job before. He was a good coach. I don't think Fitzgerald's a bad coach. Is that his name? Fitzgerald.

Pat. I don't think he's a bad coach. I just think like what Northwestern standards are. Oh, yeah, for sure. Is that his name? Fitzgerald. Pat. I don't think he's a bad coach. I just think what Northwestern standards are. Oh, yeah, for sure. Going to be tough to win. Absolutely. That's going to be a tough place to win. Iowa, though.

Is that like the Harvard of Iowa or West Virginia? Look at how many guys Iowa gets to the NFL. You look at all those top tens. They are consistently. It's like, well, man, that's weird. But you don't win. Why won't they win? You know why? Well, the offense stinks. Yeah, that's why they don't win.

They have the best defense in college football damn near every year. And that's the thing. Don't win. 9-3 is like a smashing success of a season. It's just different, especially in the Big Ten when it's like, you know, every year Ohio State's going to go 12-0. Now Michigan is going 11-1.

It just... Believe me, you're preaching to the choir. That's how every Iowan feels as well. Every Hawkeye fan is like, listen, Brian Ferentz is a sack of shit. Let's get this guy out there. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Probably a good guy. Actually, I hear he's a big old asshole too, so that kind of helped. Allegedly,

allegedly. I'm just saying saying from what I've heard. Meanwhile, Kirk, consummate great guy. Doesn't care about you. Wonderful human being. Yes, he does. No, he does not. He cares about his own boy. Did you hear what he did?

Yeah, he does not care about the program. He does. He's having a tough time. You know what? And it's not even Kirk. It's that son of a bitch Gary Barta. It's the AD. He needs to step in and be like, listen, Kirk.

Because Kirk's got his nuts in his wallet. Kirk runs the university. And he won't fire his kids. Exactly. So that's why the AD needs to. So you guys are just stuck in the punter is the star, which I appreciate. Well, we got a Michigan quarterback this year. So we'll see what's the rest.

He took him to the playoff, though. He did. Two years ago. He did. Boom. Brian Ferentz is going to call good plays. Yeah, well, he better. Kirk thinks he can, right?

Kirk has faith. I don't think Kirk thinks he can. Why won't he fire him then? He's a bad coach. Well, because he's probably thinking, shit, my son's never going to get another fucking job. He might as well make $900K while he can every year until they basically hold my hands. He'll take the state's money to pay him as opposed to him.

Absolutely. Okay. I don't want to dive into it. Good dad. Great dad. Great dad. Great dad. He's a good dad.

Kirk Ferentz. Ferentz. Good dad. Good dad. He's a good dad. Sounds like another dad we know. Who's that? No.

Yeah, I don't know if I want to go there today. We're having such a good day. Oh, geez. I couldn't even fathom how toxic that would potentially be. Let's move to the next stat that Schrager heard over the weekend. Arizona's open for business at three. Whoa. We knew that one, right?

Yeah. I think so. Especially with the— This is just what he heard. This is not like—he's not saying, I have groundbreaking news. Right. And we'll talk to Schrags tomorrow. And number five, Houston's Oscar had passed on a QB, kind of solidifying the report that came out a week and a half, two weeks ago.

Schrags knows his shit. We have to remember that. Also, Jay Glazer knows everything that's going on. He has done his draft prep. So he does Fox Sports Radio every single draft, round one. I think he has Steve Keim on with him this year, former general manager of the Arizona Cardinals, and a couple others.

Still doing radio, Jay Glazer. And this is like a massive ordeal. And I think Jay actually does know everything that's about to take place before it happens. Yeah. I mean, he absolutely does. The reason, I knew that. I had that first.

That's not bullshit. That's like a legit, every time something pops up, you can kind of trace it back to like, oh, Glazer actually had someone in the camp and knew what was going on. He was trying, he was actually leaking eyeballs a couple weeks ago about this potentially happening. Jay says, I didn't want to give it away then, but I knew. Yeah, exactly. Hashtag Jay knew knew i don't do the small stuff anymore he only does big big

wait i thought he was bedridden i thought he was bedridden from surgery whoa jay glazer he had surgery he posted a thing about surgery a couple weeks ago i feel what aq shipley fucking punch him in the face he's already he talked about like his life as a fighter like he's you know i think he's getting back surgery maybe or something. What? Godspeed. I seen he was up and at him here. Yeah, I had no idea. This weekend he was talking about he was on a date with his lady.

Congrats, they got married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Congrats, they got married. They were on a date and he said he was doing business and she knows the entire draft if she needed it because of all the conversations he's had. Everybody's kind of gearing up for it right now.

Feels like it's kind of settled in on everybody knows what everybody else is going to be doing. Yeah, and doesn't it seem like, too, because of that, that the number two and number three pick are absolutely not going to be a QB and is going to get traded up at three? Is that what your take is? That's what my thought

is. Everyone knows what everything's going to happen. Two of those things have been the constant for these last two weeks. Houston might not take quarterback. Arizona open for open for business yeah and that has kind of been the conversation for these last i mean i won't say month but these last two weeks congrats to will anderson jaylen carter tyree whose name came out of nowhere out of nowhere and now he's potentially number two overall and he was just like nolan smith right wasn't he hurt for a lot of this year at texas tech let's talk about some other stuff going on around the NFL. Nick Bosa warned Steve Keim,

former general manager of the Arizona Cardinals, and Cliff Kingsbury that if they take that little quarterback, he's going to haunt them. I think you guys are probably going to take that little QB, and if you do, I will haunt you for the rest of your career. Steve Keim said that on Colin Cowherd's show, The Herd. Steve Keim, formerly general manager of the Arizona Cardinals. He's now doing the media circuit.

He said that Bosa told him, that little tiny fellow that you guys were thinking about spending the number one overall on? Wrong choice. You do it, Uncle Nicky's coming around. AJ, this is one of the most Ohio quotes of all time. How do you feel about old Ohio State alum Bosa, his confidence,

and him openly saying that to a general manager potentially? I want to know what Kime's response was. Like, well, hey, man, you're a great player, but, you know, we've got to get a QB, right? Like, I would love to have you both, but it's just not the case right now. Bosa, you play quarterback too? I mean, we need somebody to take us down. We just took Rosen.

We can't. One year's enough for that guy. Yeah, think about the Rosen situation. We talked about that last week whenever we said the NFL was hard. He was drafted top. Top ten. Six. Was he six overall?

No. Eight? No, because he's ten overall. I think he was ten. Almost went. There was talk that he was going to go one overall. I'm not sure if that was ever real, but yeah. Your number.

You go that high, and then your team completely sucks so bad you get one overall, and your team goes, nope, we're definitely not doing this again. That ain't – like, Justin Fields is sitting in that situation right now. Yeah. They traded out of there, right? They said, we don't want to be here. We don't want to have this conversation. Get us out of here.

Oh, you trade Justin Fields. You sign Bryce Young. If you can do that, got number one overall pick. Team stinks. It was like watching the Bears. Justin Fields was the only person that was worth a single damn while watching them play football. We're going to trade him away.

That would be bananas. But crazier things have happened. Crazier things have happened in this beautiful draft week. Another thing going on in the sports world that we need to talk about, the Pittsburgh Pirates are actually going to win the – Look out. The Pittsburgh Pirates are going to win the World Series. Yeah, they are.

Unbelievable. AJ, you hear about this? Congrats. What's their record right now? Well, it doesn't matter what the entire record is, although it is great. I think they're like 16-7. Boom, right there. They've won seven straight, pal. Starting pitchers, 2.15 ERA. Unreal.

The farm system's coming together, huh? And this is all without the cruise missile who broke his leg at home plate because a catcher played dirty. I'll say this about the Pittsburgh Pirates. I'm very pumped they're winning. Pittsburgh is now the home of baseball. Baseball town?

Wow. Home of baseball. Home of baseball. Oh, okay. It's not like a hockey town. They selling out, too? Well, Sam Belly Fireworks have been selling out PNC Park for a long time. You bet your ass those weekend games will be sold out for sure.

The views of Pittsburgh have been selling out PNC Park for a long time. Amen. Him and it here was selling out PNC Park for a long time. Those parking lots were a great time in selling out PNC Park for a long time. That casino being within walking distance was selling out PNC Park for a long time. Now, they got a baseball team. Now, they get good wood.

Now, they're painting lines. Now, they got vibes. Now, they got Kutch back. Pittsburgh Pirates are potentially your World Series champions and we need to be celebrating that because they go from actual shitter in the dumper. No roof. No roof because they go from actual shitter in the dumper, no roof, no roof, no door on the shitter, okay?

Bad baseball team. Diarrhea stacked up all the way to the top of the jawn. Now, they're getting wined and dined. Oh, yeah. Top floor. We're talking penthouse view. Overlooking everybody else. Looking down on the Reds.

Sorry-ass team. Looking down on the Sox. Sorry-ass team. Looking down on the Yankees. Sorry-ass team. Looking down on the Cubs. Sorry-ass team. Looking down on everybody.

And that's what the Pittsburgh Pirates do. And I'm happy about this. And they always say April baseball means the most. That's right. No shocker that the last time they were in the playoffs, it was Koch who led them there. And now that Koch is back, Koch is leading them back to the playoffs again with a beautiful, beautiful, exciting young roster

that we're going to be watching for years go for pennants. And we're going to pay them all. Yeah. That's what's pretty awesome about Pittsburgh is, like, when one team completely falls off like the Penguins did, the other team, the Pirates, they kind of step up and take that over now. Aren't you glad to swap baseball for hockey as far as fanhood now? Tom Diggs is kind of happy about it.

I'm not exactly thrilled. The baseball town? Is Pittsburgh a baseball town? It's hashtag baseball town. It's sports time. It's a champion time. Baseball time. I will say time. It's a champion time. Baseball time. I will say the Pens kind of suck. Yeah. Not looking good at all. You watch these other hockey teams

play. Did you watch the game? Five overtime games this weekend in the NHL playoffs, AJ. It's been electrifying. NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs have all been fun to watch. The NHL, though, has been absolutely incredible, which is what I think the NHL needs to market the most. Regular season,

let's save our marketing dollars. Let's just pump the shit out of the playoffs because it is faster than every other sport, more physical than every other sport, and there's a chance that when two teams are playing, the two stars are actually going to start throwing actual punches at each other. Yes. Stomkos and Austin

Matthews throwing bombs at each other on prime time. And those that don't know the NHL or hockey, don't have a clue, those are two superstars, megastars. Two first overall picks. Stommer was throwing hands. Matthews, I believe, was his first fight, too. Love it. Ever.

The NHL has crushed it. So many teams feel like they just absolutely fucking hate each other, too. That's why the NHL playoffs feel almost heightened. Because whenever these series start, it's like, okay, who knows. But the Lightning and Maple Leafs, there was that whole entire after the Matthews and Samco's fight. I mean, Big Rick Patty Maroon was telling some guy he's going to fucking kill him. And they catch all that stuff on the hot mic. It's unbelievable.

Some of the old chirps that are making their way on the social media from mic'd up situations in hockey are fantastic. Hockey talks a lot of shit. It is a sport built around chirping. And to your point, the NBA playoffs have been magical. Connor and I got to see the Clippers and the Suns the other night. Much better photo from the Suns' social media account,

which I'm pretty thankful for, as opposed to the one when we were on Nicky Skates' bachelor party out there. They brought me over a shirt, did not know we were going to be able to go to this game. Kind of a late addition to our life. We get there, we're on the Suns bench. We shout out to the Suns social media team. Like, hey, we're here, we'd love to meet you guys because of how nice you've been.

And also talk about the photo selection and what you put on the internet. You opened my eyes a little bit. Good people bring me a shirt, take a photo. All of a sudden, boom. Thank you to our fans for showing out in L.A. I was lucky to be there. That team is awesome. What Balmer does, AJ, the Ying Yang twins performed at halftime.

The Ying Yang twins. 7,000 bathrooms coming next year in the new facility. Toilets! Yeah, this guy, Balmer, he's there. He's living it. With the show? The whole thing's a show? Whole thing.

During one of the TV timeouts, there was a rap performance. Some lady came out. The players are in the TV timeout. Normally during TV timeout, you have a T-shirt person come out, whatever the case is. They shut the lights off. Rap song. Three minutes.

As she's leaving, boom, now all of a sudden, game is back on. That was a TV timeout in the first quarter. Yeah, not a halftime. It was like, you know, Balmer, toilets. He's got Ying Yang Twins. He's got a rap concert happening during timeouts. The energy is through the roof. They're doing it right over there. Now,

the Suns won, and the Suns are going to go on to win because they have Kevin Durant and the Clippers do not. But that fucking game was fantastic. The NBA knows that they're a show. Ballmer more specifically knows that they've got to kind of entertain while it's going on. They did.

It was fantastic. And it's not even the new stadium. All the suites that we were looking at, they have these neon glowing lights. Everything just looked incredibly futuristic. But the one thing we talked about was just how physical it is when you're up close and personal. Sometimes if you're watching on TV, it's like, oh, these guys aren't really playing defense. This kind of stinks. And then when you're watching, these dudes are banging down low.

It's unreal. That's what I said. The first time I ever went to an NBA game, I sat there and I was like, all right, I got to take back anything I've said of these guys not playing defense. I've said it on the show before. It seems nearly impossible to get one bucket on an NBA court when you watch how the pressure defense they play, just how hard they play. They really do, especially in the playoffs. And how tall they are.

They're all so tall. You're looking at just like avatars just walking in front of you. It's like running on stilts trying to change direction. The big guys are running on stilts it looks like. And then you think about their knees and how sore they have to be. It has to be so – and how far – they're just running gassers pretty much the whole time. And then the way they have their seats selected for how good the NBPA is,

the National Basketball Players Association, negotiating with the NBA, which is led by Chris Paul and others over there. They're great negotiators. The amount of space allotted for the team is nowhere near enough. They got like 40-some people there on the bench, and there's probably enough space for like a comfortable 15. So I think the coaches towards the front, they have their space. Star players kind of have their, like, allotted seats.

And I did see, I'm not going to say the player because this would make the player look like a dick, but I assume this is how it has to be. Player come over to bench, look at person. Person get up, go all the way down to the end where there's no space and sit down in a little bit more luxurious spot. But that tail end of the bench, they're sitting on hardwood. They're taking a knee on like a padding. They're kind of like we were in their bench at one point.

Big money. Big money over there. They may put the benches under the court at some point because that's where all the money is, all those seats right there between scorer's table and bench. And then now, you're right, there's fans like on all sides of the bench now. The guy that was to our right, his name was Daveave i think was his name he was a diehard clippers fan and then there was four seats to his right that were extended down from the sun's bench

and to the bench and we were in the bench so think about what those four and those two they're in there i mean they are in there completely and these players like uh are supposed to go in and just feel like a minute minute and a half or whatever it's like this guy that went in and dropped the three and he did like this full he had the amount of moxie this guy had yes had longer hair i forget his name courtney lee i believe courtney lee that was his name he was kneeling in a very uncomfortable like knees on top of each other. He was kneeling on top like this, basically, for maybe three quarters on wood. Hard wood.

And then he gets up. He's got to take his things off. And then he subs in. And then two seconds later, he's got the ball in the wing wide open. And he fucking drains it. And bam, that guy. That guy has to stay somehow loose while just being cramped on top of each other. That was my biggest takeaway. I don't know how the mbpa lets this happen but to your point i guess

money is the only decision deciding factor but like covet they had that full oh yeah cover day that full area and then us just being in their meetings was i was like damn i didn't know that it was like this but i guess the dollar runs everything. Well, and those people being so close to the bench, the teams have security. So those security guys are, I think, two or three of them who would have to come in every single time out because you are so close. Who knows if someone's just going to run up and do something stupid.

Team has security. Players have security. Oh, yeah. Players have security in team gear so like at the bench every time out they are on the court looking they have son's gear on sweet shoes they're not an employee of the sons they're an employee of one of the players or whatever sweet shoes sweet and then they kind of get walk off or whatever and then if that person has to run back to the locker room or whatever, they are with them the entire time.

I'm like, how many situations arise? I guess enough that they're like, if we're making a couple hundred million dollars, we might as well just pay a couple hundred thousand to have a guy protect us at every single spot. And it's obviously the teams are working with the players, and they're secure together because they have a spot. They're all kind of have the uniform on. But some people are not working for the team. They're working for one player there.

And it's like, well, what happens if? Yeah. You know, what happens if? A player-verse. No, what happens if, like, team gets attacked, players not getting attacked? He just stands back. What is, yeah.

Does he just go take person he's implied? Get him to the bunker. Takes Kevin Durant to the bunker. Kevin Durant. There's like numerous superstars. Chris Paul's on that team. He's worth a lot of money. Devin Booker's worth a lot of money on that team.

You start going through like all the guys. There's a lot of money on this fucking bench right here. Makes sense why they would want people flanking it. Because you're touching these. Right there. Yeah. And you talk. Who was the tennis player back in the day that got stabbed in the back?

Someone jumped the fence and stabbed her right in the back. Nancy Kerrigan? Monica Sellis? Was it Monica Sellis? Not Steffi Graf? Not her. Maybe Jennifer Capriotti got stabbed in her shoulder. Paul Pierce. Monica Sellis is the name, is what Bruce just told me, but you're banking on the humans being good humans.

Yeah. You're just banking. That's a lot of trust. So close. So close to everybody. And a lot of times those people who are paying premium prices to sit down there kind of feel like, oh, I can do whatever the fuck I want.

Oh, it's a gold ticket. Yeah, I'm paying $250K to sit down here. Like, if I want to go fucking punch Chris Paul in the dick, I'm going to. What did Ari say? Ari Gold? Oh, my dick. No.

He said, I paid for this ticket. It's actually out of Lakers game. Yeah. Against the Warriors, Gold say. Yeah. It's actually a quote of his that he says. But I mean, I talked to Terrence Ross. Yep.

What's up, man? How you doing? Full dap up situation after a timeout. Game's going on. Had a little convo with Chris Paul, who was on the bench while the game's going on. It's like, that's how close I was. And then obviously it's on 420, so you start thinking, it's like, imagine if I, like, who could be sitting here.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. I guess nothing happens. Pulling two seats down on the other way, too, was Russell Westbrook's brother, who was just hanging out there, too. He's a dog. Yeah, beast. He was awesome.

That's what I would like. If I have the incredible opportunity to have two children, and one of them is doing something at a high level, and the world is talking shit, I would like the other child to be front row saying the things that Russell Westbrook's brother was saying. Nothing that would get him kicked out. Nothing like that.

No. Just full on, let's fucking, to Russ. Very much more excited every time Russell Westbrook was doing something, which was awesome. It's awesome. Yeah. It's awesome to hear. Hell yeah.

And Russ could hear him too, you know, because where we're at, they could hear each other. Had a dab up, had the full thing. I said to him at one point, I was like, how much better is life now that Russ is back? You know, because these last couple weeks here, Russ has been all the way back, taking over games, dominating games. And he looked at me and he said, always, or something like that.

And I'm like, hell yeah, man. I was like so happy that that was happening, you know? It's got to feel, yeah, to think of both sides. Obviously for Russ, it's cool to see him and like how hard he's playing and things going well. And then to hear his brothers right there, like, man, for both those dudes, they'll remember that forever. Well, think about his brother's life, though,

talking shit for his brother for a long time. It's got to be – that's what probably has to get very annoying. It's like Russ can handle it, whatever, but his brother or his family that can hear all of that and tries to go back at people, that's what's tough. Well, Russ went into somebody's suite the other day. You said Russ can handle it. I don't know. I think he's, in handling it is a different way.

Because everybody's like, be a professional. It's like, be a professional. This guy just said some terrible fucking shit about it. Like, this person should, I should smack this person in the mouth. This is the problem with society. That person thinks that they can just say whatever they want and get away with it. They think this is Twitter. This is real life.

But since you're getting paid a lot of money, you are a public figure. You're supposed to just go right to the locker room and not say anything. So whenever you see Russ go in front of a child, right in front of his dad, that will fuck you up. It's a big deal because that's not normal. But some players are like that. You can do it. If you're willing to deal with the potential consequences,

you can confront people, do whatever you want. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to the 5RNG phone line. That was a cool moment to see, though. Yeah, it was awesome. Because Russ has been getting killed by everybody for so long to see his brother enjoy the moment, too, because his brother's probably been getting...

Oh, yeah. ...berated. You know what I mean? And then Russ hopefully enjoying it as well. And I like he was just putting his shit up. That's the Russ we got now. Not going in all the time but at least he's past the

I'm scared to shoot. And I think he had 30 points this last game and then KD and Chris Paul had this whole post game press conference about how great Russell Westbrook is as a player. Hell yeah. Congrats, Russ. Welcome back, baby.

Always, always. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Justin in Evansville, Indiana. What's going on, Justin? Hey, boys. How you doing? Keeping moving. Hell yeah.

Good start. Hey, man. It's an honor to be on here talking to you guys. I've been following the show ever since you started it. And I really just want to know what's been your favorite thing about everything that's happened since you gave up millions and millions.

Let us hear it there, Justin. We'll join you, pal. Great question. What has been our favorite thing? I think opening this Thunderdome has been pretty cool. Yeah. Probably favorite thing. In this last year? Lots to choose from, I would imagine. I think Mania last year. Yeah, that was incredible.

Yeah, that was incredible. We were on the field for college. National championship. Yeah, it was raining inside. That was cool. That was cool. Another cool thing, and it just so happens to be draft spectacular week, like us changing the odds completely in the entire draft from a living room. yeah that was pretty cool that was cool that was nuts aj won the face of

ohio championship very cool hanging out with aj at nick's wedding was cool yeah that was cool oh aj telling us about wexy's basement that one time that was cool that was cool whenever aj when aj bought that submarine from epstein Island, that was cool. You guys, hey, I have seen no documented anything about submarines on Epstein Island on Little St. Jeff's. So that's you guys, not me. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, well, they used to be there and you bought it. Yeah, you have to plead the fifth because you've been there.

Someone's got to buy that island, right? I mean, look at you. What about it? Look at you. What about it? Look at you. Nice little quick plane ride down. Boom. Get on a boat. Head on over.

Here's your island. I don't think so, pal. There's a lot of land out there. I follow an account, Private Island Estates or something like that on Instagram. There's a lot of islands out there. There are a ton of islands out there. They're all very far. Yeah.

That's why they're islands, I guess. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Eli and Seth. A lot of cool out there They're all very far That's why they're islands I guess Let's go to Eli and Seth A lot of cool things though Justin We appreciate all your love Rogers this year Rogers every year The first year, the year after that There's always something

Rogers when he had to miss that game During that one year Oh cause COVID That was fun So cool thing, not necessarily cool Rogers when he had to miss that game during that one year. Oh, because COVID? That was fun. Cool thing, not necessarily cool at the time. It was a bit negative at the time. There was one point, because I was doing SmackDown as well,

where I was on I think every single channel. Just every single channel at one point. 99% of them were killing me i mean i was getting murdered and then shinsuke nakamura's music hit and i was dancing on the on the desk that was a cool moment you know like the whole world is basically killing me for not being jocked while aaron has his 500 page report about why he's not getting vaccinated. And then Shinsuke's music hits, and it's like, that was a cool moment.

Yeah. That was cool because I was getting screenshots from people, hey, watch him, boom. Had somebody who's like, I'm over here in Poland, bang. Different language, they're killing me. Yeah. Non-jocked guy talks to Aaron Rodgers about health, like that whole thing. And then the next night, just like watching SNL, and it's the cold open, and the cold open and it's like oh wow yeah everyone did see this sweet that was pretty cool that was pretty

good but in the moment it was also like it was damn i'm getting fucking killed right now yeah wow these people valid point valid point what that person said kind of true rude country you know it's a lot of that aj so that was kind of. So that was kind of cool, too. That was kind of cool. All pubs, good pub. It's all right. I don't believe that is true. Yeah. But whatever it is, like. I don't want to dive into a bigger conversation. But, like, not all numbers are good numbers.

No. And I think that is something that's confused on the internet a lot right now. What are numbers on the internet, though? Nobody knows what's real. Yeah, but if they're all going off the same basis. None of them are real. But if they're all going off the same basis none of them are real but if they're all going off the same thing you can assume there's at least a little bit of consistency but like hate watching numbers are not real numbers like those are just passing the time you know like somebody watching something saying oh i disagree with everything that's said here are those actually good numbers whenever you're talking about like stuff probably not are they invested are they like is that someone that would be invested and

keep coming back to that show yeah that's what i'm saying i don't know and then if you want people to come back because they enjoy it and it makes them happy and it's a positive experience i feel like yeah but if they do come back and they hate it like are they gonna you know is there anything they're gonna do i don't know that's a full convo happening right now in a lot of places though which is good that it's even happening though because back in the day just a couple years ago it was like numbers are numbers numbers are numbers numbers are numbers it's like i feel like you're contributing to a pretty negative society because negativity does a lot of numbers that's kind of how it works but do those numbers matter like are those the numbers that you want? What do you want?

Well, then you lay out what you want. It's like, are those numbers going to get that? Just people being like, fuck this guy. I hate this take. This is dumb. It's like, is that going to do anything? I don't know. Hard to imagine.

It's weird. We're in a weird time. I know. Yeah. The old dumb, what's the old Howard Stern thing? Like, I don't, I just want to hear what he has to say next. So that's why they stick around. He's still on, still doing it.

Still got his fastball. He'll trend every once in a while. Once a week or so. He'll get pissed about something, and then Howard Stern is trending on Twitter, and it's like, Howard Stern, still doing it. Click on it. Okay, people aren't happy with him right now. Is he back in studio?

Is he back there? No, that's a danger to his health. Is he really doing it remote still? Okay, so now I'm starting to sense. i did not know this going into this conversation starting to get a sense here with the question that you asked in a way tone answered i thought he i thought he was doing like two three days in studio i know he was very very concerned about covid and he hadn't been back in the studio for a while that's what i thought i know the sibian isn't there anymore well that was in private parts i think they took it out as soon as the movie was over.

Z, what is that? You don't want to know. That was that scene in that movie where that lady. What do you do? What do you do? Jenna Jameson. Is that who it was? Mm-hmm.

Oh, the little half horse thing that people sit on and it vibrates. Yep. Oh, is that what it is? Got it. Got it. Got it. What does it do, the half horse? I would assume it jams things into people's rectums and other parts.

Is that right? Holy fuck. What the hell? Is that real? From what I gather, if it's what I think it is, yeah. I don't think that's what I saw in the movie. I was young when I watched that movie. What did you think it was?

Huh? What was it for you? I thought it was just like a cell phone, a big cell phone, and people were just calling it. So it was on silent. So it was just... Yep. That's what I thought.

I thought it was an old school big cell phone that was kind of something that people just called. I thought that's... Not what you... You seem to think that there was extra... I don't think the old school... There's old school, like, Zack Moore cell phones had the vibrate feature. No, yeah, but they did. That's why.

That's exactly right. Maybe I'm wrong then. I guess I'm seeing it wrong. I didn't know it was in the movie. Yeah, you don't remember that? No, I always see it after Wild On E with Brooke Burke came on. Who, Howard?

That's where I was introduced as well. Like 1996? When was that? Right in that range i actually watched uh last night i watched the rock and stone colds rivals on uh a and e i was after i watched succession it was on that was in like 1997 is when that started it was like i was 10 years old you might as well just said hey pat here is exactly what you want in your entire life it was awesome they do a great job on that. Yeah, I need to watch that one specifically.

Steve and Bret Hart last night. Probably pretty good, too. Sean and Bret was on there last night. Okay. Sean and Steve Austin was on there last night. I watched a lot of them. I was up late. I napped yesterday during the day.

So it fucked me up. And then I watched Succession. I'm like... Yeah, tough to go to sleep that was a good one that was a good one we're back did you watch it aj nope i will soon though i got a new character i love so i'm in oh we're back who gojo they enter oh okay they didn't it's a it's not a new character it's someone that's been they did intro some new characters they did a few and i'll you, I did not like that. I almost checked out as soon as I started seeing new people in here.

I'm like, these fuckers lost it completely. This is just like the Game of Thrones people that had Starbucks cups in their last season. These people just mailed it in. They completely forgot it. I hate this. I hate being invested in shows. That's literally what I started thinking as I started seeing new humans pop on the screen. I'm asking Sam, I'm like, do I know this?

Who's this person? I think new. I think new i think i'm like what are these people like yeah you think you just kill the fucking great the greatest character you got and then bring in a bunch of bozos i don't i don't think so okay i understand that people just watch anything not me and then i continue to just watch anything yep boy it got good oh yeah hey it got good aj last night's episode was a good episode okay good i don't you don't need to mention it now but i still think the theory that i texted you will come true eventually oh what is it we'll talk about later he said somebody bit off somebody's meat of course no class no no no no absolutely yeah you did let's go to the phone save the text i will i will screenshot it great up from uh hugo by the, who I usually don't like. You don't like him? No, but

I thought he did very well. He's a rat fuck. That's literally who he is. Let's go to the phone. Sochi. Let's go to Anthony in Tampa Bay. Anthony, what's going on, pal? Hey, fat boys. How's it going? Keep moving. I just wanted to check in with y'all real

quick. Get your take on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers trading up a new draft for Will Levis. They've been adamant all offseason about how in love with them they are. Really? Anthony, where did they say that? Anthony, where did the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

say that they were in love with Will Levis? We must have missed this. Is this down in Tampa? That came through Greg Allman via Jason Light on Twitter a few weeks ago, but Allman's talking about that guy non-stop. Allman is... Greg Allman

is the beat reporter for Tampa Bay. You guys have it on the show a couple times. Oh, yes. Yeah, we love Greg. Sorry, Greggy. Thank you so much, Anthony. Cousin Greg. I feel like a terrible person. Who's it?

We have Rick Stratton. We're a Stratton operation. Come on. But Greggy has been on the show, Greg Allman. We do apologize for not following your reporting as closely as we should have. Maybe, I mean, maybe, Anthony, for us to give an answer on that would be awesome. What if we just said, yeah, we've heard that Devin White's in there. But that's what the draft really does. He said fucking devin white out of here too did you hear that that's wild he said get him out really yeah we don't like him get him the fuck out of here

we like what levers let's go get only guys that run four three and can hit people like a mac truck gotta remember as soon as it sounds like a player doesn't want to play for the team that a person has been in love with for their entire life oh you don't want us you don't fire us i quit you know like yeah you're not breaking up with me fuck i break up with you like that is kind of how some people react and that's just the reality of the situation i can understand why people act that way it's the same reason why people booed andrew luck yeah in that preseason game whenever he decided to retire instead of play it's like fans are committed to their team so if you do something that doesn't help this team or if you even act as if you don't want to play for this team we don't want you

around here not everybody i'm saying some people are like that that's why the lamar jackson situation is so fast crazy which we have not gotten an update on at all it's draft week we assume we're still going to get no update on that which is abnormal when it comes to these types of things well that's another thing that we haven't really talked about today is the d-hop stuff like what if d-hop's on the move this weekend they get the lamar deal done somehow like that is very possible could go strong possibility yeah and then the buffalo beals assistant gm von miller he said i still like him to potentially come to Buffalo. And in the body language test that he did with

McFadden on the podcast with CBS Sports, he said to Buffalo and Kansas City. And then he actually said, if I do recall, he took both of his middle fingers out of his pocket

and then just showed it to the camera whenever New England Patriots were at. I think you would call it wrong because remember he looked away like, that'd be pretty cool. And then he looked back. He did potentially say that would have been cool. But see, the problem was there's only one camera angle. Yeah, but he knows his looks too.

He was in Fashion Week this week. That's right. He was modeled. It was a cool outfit. Where was that? Arizona? LA? LA. He was in Fashion Week this week. That's right. He was a model. He was a cool outfit. Models are always the best. Where was that? Arizona? L.A.? L.A.

Had to be L.A. Did you do that? You going to walk in a runway show someday? Nah. The way I'm built, they don't want me to model in their clothes. Your clothes look bad on my body. So I'll never get asked, which is good. I won't ever have to give an answer.

Yeah, I mean, who's this guy talking about? Shaq basically asked him to walk in his next, you know, fashion. Oh, yeah. Shaq said, wow, look at your jawline. You might never think about maybe. Something to think about. Wrote that down. Did you feel like Shaq?

Is that one of the best compliments you've gotten? Shaquille O'Neal saying, holy fuck, look at this particular white right here. Yeah. This one's different than all the rest. Did you feel that? Maybe, yeah. That was a great moment. That caller asked great moments over the years.

Yeah, that felt good. You didn't bring that up. The only thing you brought up is like Epstein Island. Yeah. Weird shit. I didn't bring it up. You talked about summertime. You brought it up.

Summertime. No. Oh. Oh. Oh. There it is. Nice. Oh. Oh. Oh. There it is. Nice. Oh.

We're off today. We're off today. Connor and I played Thunderball this morning. His foxy wasn't here. Played a good two games. Yeah. Came out of her time. Paparais or whatever.

My paparais is fine. Thanks. Paparais. Let's get to a break, please. Glad it's better. See that?'s get to a break, please. Go ahead. It's better. I was able to kneel earlier. You saw when I was kneeling like that guy?

That was big. As I was doing it, I was like, oh, haven't done this a long time. He was literally sitting like this. Why didn't he spread his base out a little bit? Didn't have it. There was no room. Also, those people who sit directly next to the bench are possibly the worst seeds in the history of sports. Pay so much money.

And the entire team is standing up in front of them. It's just like the suite at SoFi. Bingo. Yeah. Do not. That's the dumbest. Do not get the suite on the field on the side. Ever.

So stupid. Can't see a thing. Unless you're in Dallas. Dallas sells it, and they know that all you're going to do is just watch the Jumbotron above it. It's like, I guess SoFi has the same appeal, but, like, do not spend the money that they're charging for that particular thing. Bad idea. Terrible. Now, if you can get the end zone view.

There's not even seats in that fucking suite. There really wasn't. It was three, four chairs. Like, table height chairs. It's not even seats in that fucking suite. There really wasn't. It was three, four chairs. Like table height chairs. It's the worst setup I've ever seen in my life. Ever. Beautiful stadium. Beautiful stadium.

Beautiful stadium. Cannot be lost. Just don't do that. Don't you fucking think about going from the field into the suite to take a piss either. Even if it is your suite. Yeah. And you are very clearly badged for the field.

That wall that you're jumping over, that is not yours. Safety hazard, sir. Okay? Please don't do that. And I understand that we just fucking ran some guy over and damn near chewed up both his legs on our game over here. We don't need you fucking slipping going into the suite, okay?

Is that really what the issue is? Me slipping? Cool. Where's will not sue i need to pee and if i if i pee my pants there's better chance i'm gonna slip yeah right so can we please get to it you know just something to think about as we go forward kirk herb street is the man that was able to link us together with the person or one of the people that has founded a cognitive test that the NFL is relying upon to test brains to see if once somebody gets drafted, if they'll be able to be a great NFL player. I called it by the wrong name. That's how new this is to the public eye, but it's been around since 2014. Ladies and gentlemen, one of the founders of the S2 cognitive test that the NFL is now utilizing, Brandon Alley. Brandon, how you doing?

Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, doing well. Brandon, I'm going to be honest, did not do a lot of research on you going into this conversation. Did not know what was going to pop up when we went three wide right there. You and I have not FaceTimed. Did not expect somebody to be this cool looking. Thought Nerd City was coming out of there. How did you get into this cognitive testing world? And how did S2 kind of start? Yeah, man. So it's really kind of a cool story. Myself and my co-founder were both Division One college athletes. So I ran track at the University of Tennessee in the early 90s. My co-founder, Scott Wiley, played college baseball. And to be quite honest, I had a career-ending injury.

So I wanted to put off life as long as humanly possible. And the longest thing I could do was to get a PhD. So I got a PhD in cognitive neuropsychology and did a number of postdoctoral fellowships in cognitive science, cognitive neuroscience. And so Scott and I crossed paths when we were working in neurosurgery and neurology departments at Vanderbilt. And we both had young boys play in sports. And we would literally, here's where the nerd comes in. We would literally nerd out on what the brain has to do to hit 95 miles an hour. What do these guys have to do on the football field? And so what was in the space, as you've alluded to, and I've heard broadcast

before, the Wunderlich, the AIQ, those kinds of things that get at the player's ability to understand complex schemes, to understand the playbook, to have that vessel of knowledge, to know all of the rules. Hey, if the safety does this and the corner does this, here's the route I run. We decided to take a little different approach. We had been using these tasks in our labs for 15 years. And quite honestly, Scott and I didn't invent any of the tests that are in the S2 battery. We went straight to the cognitive science literature and said, okay, what do these athletes have to do? My former strength and conditioning coach was Tommy Moffitt, who was at Tennessee. He was at LSU at the time. So I picked up the phone and called Tommy, talked it through. We really, really dug in with the LSU coaching staff to

understand by position, what do these athletes have to do? What kind of decisions they have to make? What kind of impulses they have to control? And then we went to the scientific literature and said, okay, here's a task that captures that. We studied these tasks. We know how they are pushed around by drug and alcohol abuse, head injury. They're well characterized on educational, how educational influences, race influence, these kind of things. And so we just put together a battery of tests. I think what's interesting is the media has caught on to this for sort of a selection purpose, right? And I understand that, but that's not why we're here. So we were here to understand how each player is wired

so that teams and coaches and athletes themselves could be best utilized in a situation. So you're seeing all these numbers out there, and you're seeing a quarterback, oh, he scored at the 95th percentile. That doesn't guarantee Jack. It just means that his brain is wired to be able to handle that. The other thing is we have nine different scores. So one of them might be your ability to broaden your attention and track multiple moving objects across the field. Well, if you're a quarterback and you scored at the 90th percentile, but you scored at the first percentile on this tracking capacity, it's a limitation, especially if your offense is,

I need to have reads from sideline to sideline. That can be a problem. So you've got to know how to use that player. Got it. So I reached out to a couple of general managers that we potentially have in the Rolodex. And I said, hey, this S2 test, I call it a C2 test. I do apologize for that because it is testing cognitive function, which is incredible to hear that you are a nerd, a doctor, we should be calling you, doctor of philosophy.

What is that? Psychology. Psychology is fine. Yeah, a PhD. Doesn't that mean? Yeah, a philosophy. Okay, so you are a doctor, though. Like, that is... Correct. Hell yeah, former athlete, now a doctor, bro.

We love everything about that. You understanding that these tests have already been conducted and already have research and already have, like, ways and then piecing it together to the sports world, I think is the reason why it's so great that you're a former athlete who is now a doctor. We need more of that. It makes our sport better. So thank you for utilizing your big fucking brain and being able to make this kind of happen. I texted a couple of the GMs that we know. I said, hey, tell me about

the C2 test. Once again, wrong name. They knew what I was talking about, though. They said it's just one of many factors. It is something that they just utilize for their arsenal. How long have you guys been in the NFL and why do you think it's all being made public right now? Yeah, so we started in the NFL. This is our eighth draft. And so we've tested probably about 4,500 draft prospects. We get about 850 every year. And that's exactly right. We're not in, I wouldn't say a general manager would use us as a yes-no decision, as a selection tool. We're part of the selection process, right? And so the first question a general manager is always going to ask, you've got a draft pick, you want a defensive back. There's probably a very specific role you're asking that defensive back to do.

So is he a man-be-man? Is he a zone guy? Is he a nickel? All of those kinds of questions, they all have a specific sort of cognitive profile. So we can help inform that general manager, hey, this guy is going to struggle in zone. Okay, so he might be better utilized in a press situation, or some type of situation like that. Do we know that? Do we know that we have enough we have enough tests run that we know that the tests are accurate. Like, Hey, this guy's brain might not be graded zone. Do you do it? We like, I, I should know more of this, but you've been around longer. Obviously you founded the fucking company.

We know these to be true though, that that's kind of how they're looked at. Yeah. Again, we're talking about the brain's capacity for something, right? So we test at a systems level. What I mean by a systems level, one of our tests is called impulse control, right? So we test at a systems level. What I mean by a systems level, one of our tests is called impulse control, right? We test the system, right? And so let's say we're sitting at a red light and the turn lane is next to us and the turn light turns green. You know, sometimes you just impulsively hit the gas, even though you're still red. That's the impulse

control system. That system is responsible for laying off sliders in the dirt. It's responsible for not jumping off sides on a hard count. It's responsible for not grabbing a jersey when you get burned. So we just measure the capacity of that system and we inform coaches about how that capacity can be informative to the way, the style of play. Are we one-to-one? No. We laugh at this all the time. There's no direct analog for human behavior. So as an example, we have a test perception speed, how quickly you can process visual details. Really important for hitters, picking up spin, the little red dot to signify it's a slider, hand movement. It's very predictive of velocity. Can this guy catch up to velocity?

But if a general manager comes up and says, hey, Brandon, can this guy hit 98 miles an hour? I've got no idea. The only way to tell is put him in a cage, throw 98 miles an hour at him, and you tell me, can he hit it, right? But that requires you to sign that guy to a contract. It requires a lot of time.

So we're just helping GMs estimate what this guy is capable of doing. And like you said, we're one piece of the puzzle. Seems brilliant. Go ahead, AJ. Seems brilliant. We also have another great example for defensive linemen. So, right, if your 6'6 can run 4'3 and got the force to throw over an offensive lineman, doesn't matter how many objects you can track, right?

It doesn't matter. If your physical skills rule the day, the cognitive piece is minimized. But as a GM, you've got to put all those pieces together. Got it. Go ahead, AJ. So can you tell us, like, what does it look like if you administer one of these tests? How do I take it? What's the screen like?

Am I using a gaming console? How does all that work? Yeah, so this is where the nerd comes out. So we're really conscious of precision, right? We need to know down to the milliseconds. And so big shout out to our IT team, Eric Peters and those guys. They take apart monitors. They run oscilloscopes, really, really high speed cameras to ensure that we're taking a precision model here. So it is in a very specific display that can onset pixels within one to two milliseconds. We know when things go on and off screen. And we have a European company third-party response pad that actually they're interacting with for reaction time that

has an internal clock and is also very, very precise. So each test with audio-visual instructions, there's also a practice module, is about four to five minutes. So the entire battery takes an athlete about 40 to 45 minutes, depending on how engaged they are and those kinds of things. Tone. My question was, does every NFL prospect prospect take this test and if so where because it seemed like all all the quarterback numbers came out but where was this our team's giving this to them is it happening in the combine uh yeah great question so we used to give it at the combine up until covet and then they shut all interaction with players down from third parties i get get it. But yeah, we go to the major all-star games. We go to pro days.

We go to 30 visits. And we'll fly to test guys. So we'll go wherever we needed to go for these general managers to get the guys. So how does this work? So like GMs will just pay your company to get this information and some do, some don't,

some split the cost. How's that work? Yeah. So we started out really small because we wanted to vet the product, make sure we were matching up to what the scouts grades were on board. And we started out with the Saints and Cowboys and those guys wanted to go to one team in every division. And we lived that way for about three years. And so those guys paid for the exclusivity part of that so every team in in that in one division got all 850 players before the draft then just last year we went to two teams to division and that's where we're sort of staying so they're paying the the premium price to get exclusive access to the data

i'll also say with those score leaks out there, one number like we were talking about is meaningless relatively. I mean, it gives you a good marker of what an athlete is capable of, but it's really the understanding and the interpretation of the profile. Yeah, and it's not... It would be like going to the... Go ahead. It's nine tests you said, right?

Correct. Yep. So that's one score that will be added into other scores to give a probable full score if we had to guess? Yeah. Yep. So that's one score that will be added into other scores to give a probable full score if we had to guess. Yeah, yeah. It's not an exact average. It's sort of like the decathlon. We take a performance overall nine tasks and then assign an overall score. And what you've been seeing in the media is just an overall score, which is just a general metric of whether they did well overall or poorly overall. in the you know in between that 40 and 60 range is absolutely average you've got to look at the patterns of scores that's the

most important part yeah and this is not the football battery this is a a baseball report but you can see that there are there are pattern of scores um this this particular report trajectory somebody's gonna have a difficult time understanding where things are going to land in space. Okay. So like the, the Stroud one was being used against them. And I know that is not what you guys wanted at all. Where do the leaks come from? You think are the leaks accurate and what should we take from that particular leak?

Yeah. So I will say from the outset here that, yeah, the day that that happened, that those leaks happened, my phone was blowing up from general managers and our attorney. And so we can't speak on specifics. What I will say is the list of scores that I have seen, two of those scores are not accurate. They're not accurate at all. And some of the reason could be for narrative purposes. The other reason is that they don't have context. So somebody could have gotten a list of very early scores. One of the athletes on that particular list, I know, had a difficult time making his way to the

All-Star game. Things were delayed. He was in high demand. He was hungry, tired. It was 11 p.m., didn't want to do it. He was frustrated. We administered the test because we're asked to. We knew at that point in time, hey, we'll get you again. We'll get you at your pro day, your 30 visit. We did that, and his score is significantly higher than what is being reported in the media. Okay. I'm just saying that.

I'm not saying that it was C.J. Stroud. Okay. I'm just saying that for I'm not saying that it was CJ Stroud. Okay. For context purposes, the scores that were leaked, there are a couple of them that are inaccurate, and there needs to be context behind that. Okay, which we appreciate that piece of information because you were very new to the world. I think what the Cowboys and Saints were doing way back in the day

is obviously smart. Let's keep this exclusive. Let's keep it in-house. The fact that it's kind of getting more open there, I think there's a lot of owners and a lot of GMs that are very happy about this. And as we continue to learn about your test here, I think it's better for all parties. So we've got to remember whenever shit gets leaked, there's a reason.

And then there's a chance, you know, not definitely, there's a chance, though, that a quarterback in Ohio State, when he took the test, was not anywhere near his A game. Yeah, exactly. And then took it later and was like, hey, this is what this human's going to be probably on a day-to-day as opposed to in the middle of an absolute ringer of a schedule and life, which also factors in there, which is a piece of information, I assume,

that you definitely relayed to the people that are in vetting. Yeah, yeah. So that's just it. So a lot of the – that's what's so disconcerting about the leaks is that it's people that don't have the context about these athletes, what they're what they're the testing environment that they were in the situation. They don't have context on the whole piece of the scores. And again, we're measuring capacity. I want to be clear here. Just because somebody scores at the 98th percentile doesn't mean that they're going to get it done on the field. It means that they have the cognitive capability to do that. You've got to have the physical skills. You've got to have the psychological makeup. You've got to respond

well to failure. You've got to like who you're playing with, who you're playing for. It's all, it's just a piece of the puzzle that's informative to our team you don't test for that huh you can't test for mindset like if somebody's going to do well whenever they get money if somebody's going to be able to bounce back quickly like is that not something dude listen listen if you gave me eight hours with an athlete we could get through all of that we literally get 45 minutes oh really you can figure out hey hold on though that's a big deal you could figure out, hey, hold on, though. That's a big deal. You can figure out whether or not somebody is going to be like a shit bird or a great person? Well, so here's what I will say. We've been trying to predict human behavior since the beginning of time.

Turns out we suck at it, right? That's why I'm surprised. We can give you a lot of really meaningful information. So we're just talking about the NFL here, right? We work in 35 to 40 professional sports across five organizations. We work in the military, air force, law enforcement. I can tell you right now, we can capture a law enforcement's agents, proclivity for certain behaviors, but until he's got a gun against him on the other side. We have no idea how he's going to act or react.

Same thing with these literally 21-year-old athletes going to the next level. We can try our hardest to capture exactly the way these guys are wired, but until that guy is full speed with 300-pound linemen crushing him, we've got no idea how he's going to react. When the media is in his face telling him he sucked ass last week, we don't idea how he's going to react. When the media is in his face telling him he sucked ass last week, we don't know how he's going to respond. I wish you guys could figure out a test for that, though. Yeah, that'd be nice.

That would be the trillion dollar thing. How are these people going to act in points of pressure? Because whenever pressure is on, that's when we're going to need the most. That's when the most eyes are going to be on them. In all those professions that you just listed off, including professional sports, that would be the gold mine. But I've been through a couple, you know, sociology classes. I know they've been trying to find out these answers a long time.

I thought you were sitting on it. Eight hours, I can figure it out. Like, that's a massive piece. Has any team said, hey, we'll give you a couple hours? Well, as a psychologist, you can take them through personality assessments and all of these things. I think we can get close, but we can't have the, there's no crystal ball. And right, you've played in a Super Bowl.

You don't know the pressure of a Super Bowl until you've been there. So it's really hard to mimic or to duplicate that experience in a laboratory or in an interview room. I've said this before. experience in a laboratory or in an interview room. I've said this before. I've said, um, no, I almost pooped my pants. I felt like kicking that thing off because all the flashes, you know, it's a little bit big, but like, you can only get so nervous, you know, you can only get so nervous or so big. So whenever I try to talk to my friends, whenever they got one cup left, you know, in beer pong, it's like, Hey, you know, you feel that little, there's like a little bit of anxiety there. If you're not too boozed up up like it's like that just a little bit bigger like it's it's a tough

thing to kind of manage or judge pressure how you react to it because everybody adjusts to it differently too and that's what makes the greats i don't does your test have any of that predictor in there or is it just what the brain will do with perfect situation. Yeah, it is just simple. How are they going to execute on the field? We don't really take into consideration things like pressure. We know that these sort of situations are sort of pressure filled, right? So if you can't handle sitting in front of a computer screen at the senior bowl, because that's a lot of pressure, it might tell you a little bit about how they're going to perform on the field. But we don't mimic a lot of that kind of stuff.

Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Doctor, have you guys ever kind of run the test on former players, like say Brady or either of the Mannings or like a Big Ben or Aaron Rodgers when they came into the league before this test existed? And then also if, you know, let's say we'll use Rodgers as an example too. Will teams ever ask to use the test for a player that they're thinking about trading for? Yeah, it's a great question. So prior to the last collective bargaining agreement, which I believe this is in its second year, we could test roster players and we would test roster players.

And that's where we got some older veteran players. We're no longer allowed to do that as part of the new CBA. And so it would require, so as an example, and we have a podcast on our site, Kirk Cousins sought us out to take the evaluation because he wanted to learn about himself, about the way he was wired, his play style, and things like that. So we have had those type of situations, but front offices and organizations can't request that. Also, with guys like Peyton and those kind of guys, there is an aging effect. So, right, you're at your maximum for most of these things in your 20s.

Yes. Hey, Peyton, your brain's fucking weak, bro. Sorry. Hey, Peyton, you got a bad brain. You too, Aaron. Tom, you got a bad brain. Let's try to get him in here. I doubt in their prime they did.

I'm sure in the prime they could do things that were superhuman. Oh, wait, but this is how you get them in there, by the way. Hey, Tom, you're going to do fucking terrible on this test. Don't take it. 70% Tom? Hey, Peyton, your dumb ass brain ain't going to do nothing. Hey, Ryan Leaf just told us we were a whack-a-mole

test. We'd be happy to test you. Well, Ryan Leaf, certainly different conversation than Tom and Peyton and Aaron, but I do understand what you were talking about. You are probably taking a lot of shots on the shins. Oh, a ton. Yeah. That's the game, though. You know what I mean?

It is. Yep. Fortunately, we've got support of our teams and managers. And, again, I think – Herbie texted me immediately while we're talking about he was like hey good people good research you should learn about them more immediately upon us saying what is this even because the percentage of the scoring didn't make sense whenever we're looking at it and then now it's like nine other scores need to be taken

into account for it all but hey absolutely hey is this what your brain has your brain reacted in the exact fashion that the s2 has told you that it would react while taking shots on the shins from the air? I'll say initially I was taking it defensively, but I'm like, you know what? I report to the teams. I don't report to guys on Twitter with no username or whatever. Like, you can say whatever you want, man. But the fact is, is that, again, we're valued across many leagues and sports. And that's where we get our validation, not from Twitter.

Hell, yeah. You should remember that because there's going to be nights where there's going to be some clever trolls in there that are going to say some really rude stuff. And they're going to get in and they're going to crack in there. You don't work for us, bro. You don't work for us. You're being hired by these teams. Multi-billion dollar franchises are saying, saying hey we need you to help us guide the future that's all you need to know now with that being said leaks aren't good that's not no no

they're not a good thing at all aj go ahead pal have you ever had any uh motivation to try to come up with a test for coaches like that a head coach could give to potential assistants maybe to say hey what's their what's their capability of being able to understand what I do? We get asked about coaches and officials quite frequently. Hell yeah. And what happens? We're not doing them? Oh, we are.

Yeah, so we're working with a group of SEC officials and NFL officials to potentially start to help work through. We're going to head to a camp that's held every year in Oxford, Mississippi for potential NFL officials and work with those guys. The coaches have enjoyed taking it, which is interesting. I think we need to think through. I think it's a little bit different cognitive systems that these guys have to engage in. But there are a couple of tasks on the battery,

like instinctive learning and distraction control and those kind of things that are absolutely critical. They make the best coaches, guys who pick up on probabilities quickly, guys who pick up on cues and tendencies from the opponent quickly. Those make the best coaches. In theory, right? But until Bill Belichick takes the test, we don't know, right? Isn't that like,

you know? 100%. 100%. And that's how we start in every new vertical. We go with in theory, this is how it should work. And then we typically get, you know, this has been the most fun for me is being an ex-athlete and in science, I can consult with the best scientists in the world who study. So each one of the nine tests is something that people study for a living, a day-to-day basis. I can reach out to them and say, hey, can you help me understand perception speed, how it might be pushed around?

And then I can go and talk to Dave Aranda, who's a guy who's been really helpful in conceptualizing Corey Raymond and defensive backs. So I can talk to the experts in sport, and I can talk to the experts in science. And we're just trying to evolve on a day-to-day basis. We're always just trying to get better from learning from those people so that we can inform the next generation of tests, the next generation of athletes. And like Kirk told you, it's like we got into this game to literally to help college high school and

college athletes it has been pulled into professional sports because they're interested in the selection piece but we're interested in helping young athletes understand themselves and be able to train more efficiently yeah big business too man i mean if you have a if you're sitting on a battery of tests that can make people find out if they're an iconoclast or not, I mean, people are going to want to pay for that. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Brandon, I know you mentioned that with a lot of this stuff, you can't really tell until the guys get out there and actually perform on the field.

But a lot of your examples, you've mentioned baseball and recognizing pitch sequences and stuff like that. But then also we've heard that a lot of GMs and coaches around the league respect the testing. Have you guys found that there's a specific sport that has more predictive success in it if you do well on the test, like when it comes to baseball or basketball or football? Shot putting. Shot putting. Yeah.

comes to baseball or basketball or football shot putting shot putting yeah yeah so uh baseball is is super you know because it's analytically driven it's very static there's literally one position it's hitter um you've kind of got to work through situational things like something like impulse control it's going to be much more relevant in an o2 count than a 30 count so you've got to kind of factor in those types of scenarios. Even within football, it varies by position. Like we talked about earlier, these guys that have to make a ton of visual reads, a ton of cognitive processing. So your quarterbacks, your safeties, your corners, your receivers, those kind of guys. It's much more related to on-field performance than play on the line where a lot of the physical skills matter, right? And we,

again, we give a specific battery to all positions. I don't think we capture what offensive linemen have to do. They've got to understand angles. They've got to understand leverage. There's a cadence to what they do. We can measure those things, but we don't measure those things. Now, working with colleges where this isn't a high sort of pressure sort of situation, you've got time to work with kids, we do measure those kinds of things and try to help them with understanding angles and physics and things. Do you use the Oculus or virtual reality or anything in your testing? Or do you plan on adding that into it? Not in our testing, we use a ton of eye tracking,

which has been really helpful. So for example, we look at eye dominance in receivers, which is critically important. So if you've got an eye. You do this one here, right? You do this one? Yeah, absolutely. So if your non-dominant eye is the eye turning to locate, you're going to be off a little bit. High rate of drops there.

So you're running routes where your dominant eye is. And so we look at a lot of that kind of information to inform our teams to be helpful. Yeah, hitting, huge. So right-handed hitters that are left-eye dominant are money. Me. So I'm left-eye dominant. If not, they need to make adjustments like turning their head. Same thing with golfers. We've found a huge relationship to putting. So if you're sitting over your, over your putt and your, your left eye is your non-dominant eye, you can be off by five visual degrees. That is. I'm fucking five visual degrees off. What are we talking about? That's why I'm not making any puns. I knew there was an excuse.

I knew there was an excuse. You're talking a foot and a half on a 10 foot putt. On Tahoe's greens. Yeah. That's going into the sand trend. Jeez Louise. Feels like I'm learning a lot about me while we're chatting here. How do people take the test? They can sign up to take the test or does somebody have to employ you to give people the test? Like there's somebody watching right now that might want to give it to their kid

to find out what their kid's brain is. What they could be good at in the future potentially. My kid's brain capacity seems to be good for a insert name of job in a sphere right now does that happen or no are you you in the process yeah in the youth space we're wide open in baseball and softball um and we do a lot of like showcase events tournaments we have some lab we call labs they're facilities that direct testing around the country oh in the lab in football it is specific right now mainly to the quarterback position and that's how kirk uh herb street

found out about us uh we we partner with the quarterback collective which has a number of different uh venues across the country that do quarterback development uh in particular six points jacksonville with will hewlett and denny th Thompson down there. We do a lot of work with their quarterbacks and do development work. And so you've got to find a venue like that. So we are out there in the U space. We're much wider in baseball and softball. All right. Well, we appreciate you so much for adding to the sport world

because even though you weren't able to be a professional track star, you're giving back to the sports world in a massive way with your big fucking brain. We appreciate you so much, Allie. Thanks for having me on, guys. Really appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, Brandon Allie. Yeah! The whole pressure thing, I mean, that's probably the big downfall of that. Yeah, it's fascinating.

That's why whenever you said you'd give me eight hours, I find out, I'm like, pfft, really? Okay. Like, that's a big deal. That would have been a big development for humans, not just athletes. If you can find out how somebody will perform under pressure if they haven't been put under pressure, because that is literally the only thing that matters. But I do like the fact that

we're finding out about, you know, hey, the retention is this. This is this. This is this. That's a big weapon to be used in a lot of weapons when making a hundred million dollar decision or so for your billion dollar franchise. I'm happy for him. It sounds great, AJ.

It sounds legit. It really does. I just wonder, like some of the questions and some of what he talks about sounds similar to the concussion baseline testing they give you, you know, like trying to, you know how they do that. You're not knocked out. You take your baseline test. You get dinged up.

You come take it again. They compare the results. A lot of the stuff he's doing sounds similar, like the spatial awareness, the different things like that. I would assume that the reaction iPad that they get from Europe, they say it's like the best technique over there. Millisecond, down to the millisecond. What if you're a gamer, though?

Does an old-school dude that never has played any kind of gaming system compared to a young dude like does that play a factor i would imagine well certainly in your reaction time i mean no doubt about it not all the battery the whole kept saying the battery battery that was awesome i felt so smart i'm gonna start using that a lot for lists of things or a litany of things i'm gonna start saying there's no real you should say battery sorry to cut you off there but there's no real, you should say battery. Sorry to cut you off there. But there's no like, when we see these numbers come out, these like percentages, there's nine tests, right? There's nine different percentages.

Yes. So they don't like come down to an overall score, do they? But I would assume, okay, he said there's one at the end, but it's not just an average. It is put together with certain things. I would assume there's some that maybe you're lower in, but then another test is like the complete opposite of that, that you're potentially higher in, and those offset each other as opposed to just all nine of them offsetting each other. I assume there's tests within the nine that kind of, you know.

They rank them out of nine. You know how you do push-ups and then you do pull-ups? You know how you're supposed to do those with the opposite of each other? There's probably a couple tests that are like counter to each other in there. So unless you have all nine of them, it's probably going to be difficult to find out who's who. And it also did sound like CJ was fucking miserable, tired,

didn't want to take it, was forced to take it. And then he said, we'll give it to you later. And he got significantly better. Because if you're midnight, he said he was giving it to him. Yeah. Fresh out of whatever, pissed off. Workout, hungry. i'm not doing this shit you have to do it okay says who well it also sounds like this is like this is a baseball test that they've tweaked for football like a lot of that stuff does make sense for baseball with like you know recognizing pitches

laying off stuff in the dirt, but it seems like they just tweaked it a little bit and it's like, oh no, it works for quarterbacks too. I understand the baseball aspect, but it feels like it's still not perfect in terms of how it's testing a quarterback. They're evolving. They'll figure it out. In theory,

it all makes a lot of sense. In theory, that would be a great piece of information to have if I'm a general manager. I love that they're doing it and congrats on all the success to all the people lot of sense. And in theory, that would be a great piece of information to have if I'm a general manager. So I love that they're doing it, and congrats on all the success to all the people at S2, including IT guy Eric Powers. What a dog. Yeah.

What a fucking dog that guy is. Would be sweet if they could tell you kind of how people's mindsets might change when their lives drastically change. Yes. Because that would be a massive part of it as well. The pressure thing would be awesome. Now, he's saying that it's pressure to take the test

to begin with. Guys are going top five overall taking this test. Probably no pressure at all. This is a to-do. Not a box to check off. Yeah. Could you do well at this? AJ, your fingers might not be able to press the button. I bet there are

certain things I would do well in and some things I would score zero. And maybe 10 years ago when he was a little sharper. Yeah, now you're old. As long as there's no math, I'll be alright. I don't put numbers on there. I would assume there's some sort of cognitive... I don't like riddles and I'm not good with numbers.

But you like Matt Riddle. You don't like patterns. I love Matt Riddle. He's awesome awesome but i'm not good at riddles so wonder like you did good or no honestly i don't know probably terrible i think that was like the easiest thing i've ever done in my life i was i don't remember any questions was that how long was it it was 50 you have 15 minutes i think it's 50 questions if i recall i didn't know i was taking it when I was going in to take it. I was very, very, very, very hungover.

Like, I thought I was going in for height and weight. That's all I'm doing. And then they shuttle us upstairs. What are we doing? Wonder Lake. What's the Wonder Lake? Didn't even know what it was. And then it was like 15.

And I was like, these questions are too easy. But I guess the people that are like over thinkers overthink it and then the people that are can't read like they're not doing well right because they're not getting through it it's like the timing thing so like the wonder like i wonder what its place will be going forward because i think you can like pull from it whatever you want like i think allegedly the internet says you scored like a 27 or something like that so teams will be like, okay, he passed. Let's just move on to another thing. You know what I mean?

But then if a guy scores like a seven, it's like, hey, this guy can't read probably. So is that an issue? Maybe, but also maybe not. It's part of the puzzle. It's all part. It's all gathering information. And it depends on how you interpret it and how much, I guess, how much weight you put on each, each individual test these guys take.

I want to follow up that. Guys that get very low scores on Wunderlich, they might just be going A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A. Just because they're like, I'm not fucking doing it. Just like your baseline concussion test. Same thing. Yeah, am I playing football or am I fucking feeling it? I'm done with school. That's why I'm not doing this anymore.

It's hard to balance it all in. What matters, what doesn't matter to who. That's why I'm not doing this anymore. It's hard to balance it all in. What matters? What doesn't matter to who? That's why AJ never got a concussion. We just heard it because he purposely failed the baseline test so that when he did get a concussion and actually had one, the result was... I'll tell you what, AJ's not the only one. As you're taking that test, you're like, man, I think if I'm a little

bit tired, I'll forget these answers. I'm not setting myself up to get taken out of a game. Some of those questions are interesting, AJ. Oh, yeah. It's time-consuming. I did it as fast as I possibly could. Zero documented concussions, this guy. But I never had to come back and take it.

I never got dinged up to where they're like, hey, we need to take your baseline test again and compare. Nobody ever looked at AJ and said, you know what? That brain needs to be examined. Nope. That's good. Let's go to Bobby in Jersey. What's going on, Bobby?

Hey, boys. Happy Monday. How we doing? Keep it moving. Happy Monday to you. I appreciate it. Just a quick shout-out to the pod. Love you, boys. My question's for AJ. We always love your rankings, AJ. I just want you to rank

the four-starring quarterbacks that you've played with. First, starting off with next MVP, future Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Then you got MVP season Matt Ryan. I know he didn't play with him much. You also got Red Rifle, Andy Dalton. Then you got that

tricky finger bandit, Brett Favre. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Anyways, there towards the end. That was not our voices. No.

It was certainly coming through our program, but that was none of our voices. No. Would like that to be added. And I did hang up on person. Yeah. Look at me. Huh? Defend him.

Yeah. Trying to help. Good job. Would you please rank those quarterbacks, though? Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Mr. Favre, and Aaron Rodgers? First off, the guy said he likes when I rank things. I don't know if I've ever ranked anything. Yeah, Bobby, Bobby.

Aaron's the best quarterback I've ever played with. There you go. Whoa! Aaron's the best of all time in my mind. Whoa! You're going to get sued for that. Yeah. Holy hell. You fool. Let's go to Jeremy in Evansville, Indiana. What's going to get sued for that. Yeah. Holy hell.

You fool. Let's go to Jeremy in Evansville, Indiana. What's going on, Jeremy? We're going to talk to Jeremy. Let's go to Eli in South Carolina. That's the same person we talked to. It's got to be. Mitt.

Mitt. Emmett. Mitt. Fuck. And then this other one, Mitt. That's certainly something we'll never talk about on our show. Oh, I need to know what that is. You know what it is.

There's firings, I guess, all across the political spectrum world. Somebody wants to dive into it. Mitch, you think we're going to? Mitt, at what point is that time for us to talk about? Mitt, tighten up. You should give him the S2 test. Well, that's what I was asking for. I guess we've got to go to a football festival and we'll get it done festival yeah for real yeah can you how do you

like herbie's son took herbie's on the website with a quote so i assume his son took it somewhere and they use it to like hey how can i get better at the football club quarterback collective summit okay collective summit festivals these festivals we got to get to i do understand how if you're a parent you would want your kid to take it so i can know like Oh, okay. Collective summit. The festivals. These festivals we got to get to. I do understand how if you're a parent, you would want your kid to take it so I can know, like, hey, can my kid's brain actively actually get to the majors? Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Like, if it's a baseball player and it's like, hey, this test is like 80% accuracy on whether or not the brain can withhold. Withstand? Withstand? Withstand. You get it. The majors. Right. That's a piece of information I would like to know.

Absolutely. No, no shot. Okay, cool. We will go in a different direction. That'd be a weapon. You know, that would be... You're going to put that much into it? If it says they don't have the capacity,

you're going to say, all right, we're quitting sports? Bro, baseball, like the Oculus, that's what I'm asking. The Oculus has... Like batting practice. MLB pitching. Like there's an app where it's like actual...

Someone's son's on the... So you can find out. He sees a bat, yeah. Yeah, you're holding the bat too. Yeah, you can find out whether or not somebody can track a fucking curveball or not. I think. I'm not 100% sure with what the 4K is.

And I don't know what the yes to yes is. If like somebody is definitely good, they're definitely good. Or if they're definitely good, it doesn't matter. But I think like that's something that is really taking off in the baseball world. I think I would like to see that to see how accurate it is in terms of like,

yeah, the off speed stuff. And like, if a guy, if you can actually see like a 99 mile an hour fastball and stuff like that, because if you, if that's pretty accurate and true to life, like, yeah, that would be a massive.

Massive piece of information. Yeah. I mean, I've been in there with a guy that got drafted to the fucking Brewers or whatever. That's right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Dominant eye, wrong hand.

You know, AJ? Yeah. See, I'm right eye dominant. So my putting, I'm going to make every putt I take now because I was going to turn my head a little bit more. How do you know which eye you're dominant? You've got a foot and a half left on a 10-foot putt. That's right.

How do you know? About a 25-foot putt. You put a circle around something in your hands, and then you close one eye, and if it's still in the middle. Do you know which eye you're dominant? Put something in the middle? AJ, I've got contacts. I'm right-eyed dominant.

Yeah, so I'm left eye dominant. Yeah, me too. I learned whenever old Tim McAfee took me hunting, and I had to get a gun certificate, and I'm sitting there shooting this.30-06, boom, you know what I mean? So they're calling me soft because I'm getting scared to pull the trigger, and I'm missing the fucking target. Turns out I'm a left eye.

Yeah, and you're looking to the right. Yeah, left eye. So you got to do what you got to do. Should I have flipped the fucking target. Turns out I'm a left eye. Yeah, and you're looking through the right. Yeah, left eye. So you got to do what you got to do. Should I have flipped the gun? Yeah. They were saying terrible things about me as a 12-year-old. My dad was embarrassed, I think. He didn't say anything.

It was everybody else. But my dad had to take it on the shins. Probably something wrong with my kid here. What eye is yours? You got to be looking out the wrong eye kid you got it done did figuring it out i killed two deer yep i ain't a killer but don't push me that's right yeah man what's up it is amazing when you can force those deer into going into full cardiac arrest out there in the woods without even firing a shot yeah no i fired a shot fired a shot, but I don't know if it hit.

It scared him to death. His heart just exploded. He was so scared. Bingo. No wasted meat. You'd have chopped that thing up and carried it out of the woods. No, no. You had to drag that thing out of the woods a long way. It was Pennsylvania mountains. Find a bullet hole?

No, no ex-womb, no entryway. No wasted meat. I was the best killer of all time. That's a true story. Yep. Thing had a fucking heart attack out in the middle of the woods. We went searching for that thing for hours. I mean, we went down this thing. It must have ran this way, you know.

It did not. It fell right where it was standing. Dead. Had a good life, though. It lived all. It fell right where it was standing. Dead. Had a good life, though. It lived all the way to the very end. Yeah. It lived right up until it died. It did. Do you know how old it was? Was it a big buck?

16 points. Probably a little baby doe. Probably like seven weeks old. I think it had, I think it was two, just a spike. I think it was a spike. So it was a little young. Did you have to rifle butt it in the head to put it out of its misery when you got there? No, full cardiac arrest. It died.

That thing had a bad ticker. I mean. Tim didn't jump on it and just gut it like a pig just to make sure. No, but I did have to gut it. Yeah, what are we talking about? I had to do that. That was the scene. You got to do a moment of silence for this.

No, that deer was very dead. That thing would have died without us being there. Did Tim put the deer's blood across your forehead and on your face to mark you? That would have been sweet. No, I did it in the morning. I had to fucking sit there all goddamn day. Till the sun goes down and we get out of there. And Tim got lost. He won't say it, but he did.

It was a longer walk out than it was in. That's tough. What a time. That's tough. What a time. That's hunting. That's hunting, baby. That's exactly right. You were in the PA woods doing this? It's not at all. It's not at all.

There's some hunting going on in the PA woods right now. Oh, yeah. Big time hunting in the PA woods right now. What? Apparently fucking Bam Margera's in the PA woods and they're looking for him. What? Is that real? They won't find him. He's not going to find him.

He's like that dude from the Atlanta bombing situation. He's going to be out there for weeks. He's going to have so many booby traps cooked up. Bam Margera. Oh, the holes he used to have his dad walk right into. Bam Margera is a one-man in Pennsylvania. Criminal charges this after cops say he got into an altercation and made a getaway into the woods.

Smart. Where'd he go? Into the woods. Who is it? Fucking Bam Margera? Into the woods. You think he's got those really cool jeans on probably? Absolutely.

Such cool glasses. Jean coming out the jeans. Yeah, definitely. Just in case. We hope everything's all right, Bam. Absolutely. Such cool glasses. Jean coming out the jeans. Yeah, definitely. Just in case. We hope everything's all right, Bam. Peace and peace, Bam. It is funny to hear that you're just fucking

running through the woods right now in Pennsylvania. Jesus. He's been going through it. But to be clear, that deer that I killed, it turns a corner and sees Bam Margera there.

That heart. Yeah, explodes. You know what I mean? Looks like David Rudolph. Yeah. Run, Rudolph. That's what it Rudolph. Yeah. Run, Rudolph, run. That's what it's going for. Yeah, Dave Rudolph.

Run, Rudolph, run. What was that song? Ted Kaczynski. All I keep thinking is run, run, run. That's the great song. What was the Run, Rudolph song? Do we remember what that was? That was the guy who did the bombing.

Eric Rudolph. I apologize. David Rudolph was the staircase lawyer. Yeah, the owl. Oh, and also David Rudolph was also a rapper who did the bombing. Eric Rudolph, I apologize. David Rudolph was the staircase lawyer. Yeah, the owl. Oh, and also David Rudolph was also a rapper back in the day. Wasn't he? Kevin Rudolph. Kevin Rudolph.

Kevin Rudolph was a rapper back in the day. What was that song called? Baby, are you down, down? I don't know. Was that Paperback? Was that the... It was either Let It Rock or I Made It. Let It Rock. Let It Rock. I Made It. Let It Rock.

Let It Rock. He was so cool, too. He was. He had cooler jeans than Bam Margera in that music video. That song's a banger. Yeah. That was Rudolph, dude. Anyways.

I ain't got a lot. Eric Rudolph was in the woods of North Carolina. Uh-huh. And he grew up there. Uh-huh. And they were never going to find him. That documentary was great. That series that they did on him.

Very good. Bam Margera also grew up in those woods. He did. I don't know if it's the same way Rudolph did, but we hope everything's all right, Bam. Good luck. Teas and peas. Let's get some supplies with him.

Geez. Well, he better have that Survivor. If he doesn't have that Survivor straw, he's fucked. Yeah, he probably does. Drinking out of streams all over the place. He could live for years. Yeah, I think you can pee right in. You can't piss it.

Let's go to the fence. Let's go to Eli in South Carolina. Eli. You don't miss any fluid. No fluid missed. You just anchor that thing right to the top of your pee hole and just drink. Cycle it. We're a survival program.

What do you want to talk about, Eli? Jesus Christ. What's going on, boys? How we doing? Whoa, whoa. Jesus. Jesus was a survivalist 33 good years And in a cave

Did he have a survival straw Yeah everything he did was a survival straw Blood to wine Body to bread Kiss to water Survival straw Never gets talked about Great question, Eli.

Thank you for bringing that up. Good call. What if I had one? I thought you were. Eli, what do you want to talk about, brother? Sorry about that. You got put in a tough spot. I mean, you said Jesus.

I'm just wondering if you believe in any of this bullshit about C.J. Stroud. He's obviously going first or second. They haven't taken this goddamn R2-D2 test. Like, he fucking turned in a blank piece of paper with his name on it. We believe in any of this pre-draft bullshit or what? Hell yeah, Eli. How about you? Do you believe in any of it, Eli? No, he's going either to

Carolina or Houston for sure. Are you a Panthers fan? No, Panthers suck. Go Giants. Oh, respect. Danny Dimes is there. We don't believe in any of it, Eli. Yeah, it's very hard to. But we thought Mac Jones was going three there for a long time.

Yeah. And if he did, the Niners probably would have had two Super Bowls by now. Yep. Probably. How come the Patriots haven't? Because we had a guy who liked to go to Denny's or the 99 or IHOP. You're very rude. You could have very easily kept that as a football comment.

That's a coach. For instance, guy played defense. Yeah. And he's an offense coordinator all of a sudden. Exactly. But see, it's kind of like one of those things where I say that. I say big, fat Denny's guy. And you say, boom, defense guy who coached us. Oh, you're saying it's a team thing.

This is S2 right in front of us. Yeah, correlation. He's a coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. Consultant. Consultant. Back on defense, too. So I bet he's going to help out a lot more than Gannon did a lot. So they're not going to pay him, right?

Because his Detroit Lions checks are done. Yes. Yeah, those are done. That's exactly why New England, he had to hit the road. And that's why Joe Judge is still there. They paid him $0 to be an offense coordinator. Yeah. Yes, those are done. That's exactly why New England, he had to hit the road. That's why Joe Judge is still there. They paid him $0 to be an offense coordinator. And he gave him zero production. And now he is with the Philadelphia Eagles as a senior consultant.

You get what you pay for. Bingo. And that's life. Amen. Well said. And we were still too cognitive. Bingo. So it's ipso facto as a test

but can't get the pressure no maybe they should just do like you know where people send flash bombs off and stuff while you're taking the test hey no matter what get through this test there's going to be some stuff

they throw in like a smoke grenade couple flashbangs. Fake sounds of guns. While they're taking this test. That would potentially put them in a little bit of a... Maybe have Jalen Carter come turn the corner. Like as they're taking the test. You know, like combine, not pro day.

Oh, okay. So he's coming around pretty quickly. And it's like they have to answer a question while that's happening. That's a good idea. Shake the chair. Have one of those IMAX chairs. Oh, like we saw Top Gun in. Yeah, bingo.

Yeah. Simulate a kidnapping of your family. Yeah. There you go. Put a bag of poop under his desk. Light it on fire. Boom. I think it's only, they said 45 minutes, five minutes each test, nine tests.

Bang. Quick math. AJ. Didn't even hear what nine tests. Bang, quick math. AJ. Didn't even hear what you said. Failed. 45. Told you, not numbers. You said numbers, you know I zone out.

40 to 60 is average human. AJ right there, not even listening. I was just thinking of all the distractions you could throw at the guy. That's all I'm thinking. Let's go, let's brainstorm here for Brandon. Go ahead, let's hear what you think. I mean, everything. To have like random, just randomly have like a couple people fornicating in the corner. That's all I'm thinking. Let's go. Let's brainstorm here for Brandon. Go ahead. Let's hear what you think. Everything. Just randomly

have a couple people fornicating in the corner. Impulse control. Here we go. If you had an office linebacker, Terry Tate, spear someone through a table next to you. Boom. That's what we're talking about. Feather on the ear and on the feet. Tickle a guy. Here we go.

Assassinate somebody right in the room, but it's really not real, but the special effects make it look so real you think he's dead. Yeah. So you're paying for the camera, and you're paying for that iPad that's in front of you. Now pay for a holograph, pretty much, of a man getting shot right in the head right in front of this person. Jim Cameron.

Jim Cameron will build a rig to make it look like his head exploded. Now we're talking. You were kids in school. Did you ever put itchy powder down someone's back? Oh, so rude. Good luck taking a test with that. Maybe just even as little as an ice cube down the back of the shirt. Dump like a Gatorade bath on top

of them while they're doing it. Finish the test. Finish the test. That'd be good. I'd have like a drill sergeant just in there the whole time. Finish the goddamn test! You get to be here! Alright, so we're just brainstorming. Jelly a Sibian while they're fucking You get to be here. All right.

So we're just brainstorming. Yeah. Jelly a Sibian while they're fucking. Yeah. Vibrating floor. You're saying maybe make them stand over a mirror, straddle it with no pants on. So you have to look down and see if their ass is a hole in the ground.

That's right. Maybe make the pencil like a double-sided dildo and they have to hold on to it while they're writing. So they can't get distracted by the immaturity of the pencil. Yeah, boom. Big one. That thing is like this. They got to write their name.

Yep. It's four on the bottom. Very important. They got someone grabbing the top of it and trying to force it into their ear and their mouth and stuff. Finish your test. Finish your test. They need to stream this live. I need to watch these guys take it, man.

That'd be amazing. I'm trying to write my name with this damn double header just flopping up over the place. You know how hard it is to write? How's this correlate to football? Finish your test. Sorry, Brandon. We know you've worked very hard. Yeah.

But that would help. We're just trying to help. Variation. Just trying to help. This could get pretty costly with all the different things we're going to throw out. They're already spending. Look at it. They're already spending.

They got Soviet-type technology in there. That's right. Not that much. This is why our show is the worst. Never forget it. Maybe they should use our ideas, though. I mean, I think everything that we just listed would actually – I need to know if the future quarterback of maybe my team

can write his name in cursive with a double-sided pencil. Bingo. 16 inches at least. Need a good flop both ways. I want to know that if someone gets shot in the head in front of them. It needs to be like a full balancing act, you know? Yeah, exactly. That'll be a part of it, you know?

And they have to – it'll be yeah exactly that'll be a part of it you know and they have to it'll be uh so it'll be a pen it'll be an it'll be on an ipad yeah and they have to fill in the like so they have to get it right or it goes back to the beginning sure yeah and i finish the test there we go so you got to balance the floppy doll what do you do with a pencil when you're done obviously you give it to yeah you give it to the two people having sex at the court like a gentleman You got to balance the floppy doll. What do you do with a pencil when you're done? Obviously, you give it to the people having sex at the court. Like a gentleman. Give a little kiss and then you hand it off.

Well, it depends on what you do. That'll be a part of the judgment. Did, hand it off to the couple. Right. Like a gentleman. Kept it for himself, put it in his back pocket. Yep. Here, pal.

Seems like you're having a hard time. Use this. Anyways, we're just trying you're having a hard time. Use this. Anyways, we're just trying to get the best cognitive test scores that we could possibly get because we don't want NFL teams to miss on quarterbacks anymore. No more bucks.

These are high picks. We don't want to have to do that anymore. Trying to save you money. Nice. Boom. Yeah. That one was always me.

Yeah, there's no chance of this. There you have it. We knew we had it right. The universe just told us. That's right. You're there was no chance. There you have it. We knew we had it right. The universe just told us. That's right. You're welcome, S2. If you need anything else from the non-doctors of the group,

please let us know. We can't thank you enough for joining us on this glorious Overreaction Monday. Draft Spectacular Thursday night, 740-ish. Hell yeah. Eastern Standard Time. Be a friend, tell a friend. I think we'll give away probably $100,000.

Woo! Yeah, we'll have surprise guests,100,000. Woo! Yeah. We'll have surprise guests, big conversations, good reactions. We'll see dreams come true. And teams fail miserably, but we won't know for at least another three to four years. That's right. So let's just enjoy the draft spectacular. Let's enjoy the first round together.

We got a lot of friends coming through. We got a show coming through. We should have an absolute blast. You all are the best people on earth. Big thanks to Ian Rappaport, Tom Pelissero, and the planter yes remember the planter ian shut your face pipe down how much they pay you shut up that's what i thought it's very he says very rude i hope that didn't happen exactly as you said it did almost that's how i saw it do remember? Yeah, that's basically what I saw. He's just, he's just, oh yeah. Finger to mouth.

I saw some, I didn't see that part. I need to go back. I didn't hear the whole thing that came out of his mouth. But as soon as I see this, I think we all know what's being said. Oh, you're never supposed to speak in front of me. You motherfucker. It's kind of being said. He did that.

But he wanted to give us a great interview and he did. He did. Just like Tom Pelissero. We kind of got to the bottom of him burying kickers, getting an opportunity to talk to Roger Goodell. Doesn't happen often, and his phrasing at the end, or do we get rid of kickers? Shut up, Tom. Yeah, that was ridiculous.

Don't need that. Tom did tell me, relay me some information that there was GMs around the league that were like, hey, what you do to piss off Pat? I like that that's happening. I didn't get any to piss off Pat? I like that that's happening. I didn't get any of those texts. I do like that that's taking place. Also, big shout out to Brandon Alley for stopping by. Hope we get a chance to talk to that doctor of philosophy through psychology

and the founder of S2 Cognitive Tests again. AJ, he was great. He is good. And I think what's cool is he even says, okay, this isn't a be-all, end-all. This is one piece of the puzzle Trying to help these guys evaluate players Eight hours Yeah, that's all you need

Hey, I'm interested in the whole psychology thing The brain is an incredible thing You know, a lot of human bodies all look the exact same Have the ability to perform the exact same The brain is just the big difference Why are some brains one way And then some brains shit birds That would be a good piece of information to have so if they're able to figure that out i hope they do godspeed aj good good luck trying to understand people's brains and

also i want to know if let's say you take a test young when you're 15 how much can you like how all these cognitive things can you improve by how much and do they have tools to help you improve too well when you get old remember tom brady bum ass on this test yeah you can never get it done peyton manning he would be so terrible at this test yep i hear peyton like i hope peyton watches this or hears this you're telling me i'm gonna do worse than it was a rattle off a bunch of names orders a test right now i don right now. I don't think so. I don't think so. Give me that fucking test. Fuck this guy. That dude should hire Coach JB

because he can tell you who's a shit bird and who's not. Coach JB should take that S2 test. He shouldn't. We'd like to put Mitt on there and Coach JB. That's not too much to ask. I don't think so. You can get that done. Hey, great show out of you boys today. Zito, way to fill in for Foxy, pal. Bruce, way to fill in for Zito.

Hey, Bruce. Nick, great work back there. Dirty, great work back there. Hey, Bill, good work out there. Hey, Bill. Bill. Mitt, we need to work on some stuff. Let's tighten it up a little bit.

Great show about you too, Pat. Today was an okay show. A lot of shit to talk about. Mondays are always pretty easy because you've got a lot happening. Tonight, there's a lot popping off, right? Tonight, we've got a lot of things happening in sports. Oh, yeah. We have four NHL, two NBA.

Lakers. Lakers are playing tonight. Giannis is back tonight. Oh, tomorrow's going to be awesome because we'll talk about that. Oh, yeah. We've got fucking Golden Knights and Winnipeg Jets. Puck dropping at 9.30 p.m. See you there.

Hey, see you tomorrow at the highlights. Jackie Aces, why don't you stop being soft and score a hattie, pal? He's going for it tonight. He's fucking going balls to the walls. Chase Elliott, top 10 finish, I do believe, down there. Dega, massive crash with one lap left. Oh, massive. Bubba Wallace's car ended up sideways.

Last lap. Dega, not good. Was he leading? Yeah, second. First or second. Didn't win, good. Was he leading? Yeah, second. First or second. Didn't win, though. Who won? Fucking KY, baby.

Is Kyle running? Yep. Kyle's winning. Boom. Unless Chase Elliott does, then we'll donate $150,000. Seems like it might be a little bit difficult. Yeah. That's racing, baby.

All right. We'll be back tomorrow. You are the best humans on Earth. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. You never know how it's going to change their life. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye.