The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 893 - Draft Spectacular Day! With Rich Eisen, Peter Shrager, and Daniel Jeremiah

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, Pacman Jones, and the boys break dahn more of the latest rumors and stories surrounding this years NFL Draft in Kansas City. Make sure to tune in tonight at YouTube.co...m/thepatmcafeeshow at 7:35est to catch our fourth annual Draft Spectacular. After some conversation Pat bring on friend of the progrum Rich Eisen to talk about his years covering the draft and his favorite moments from this glorious days over the past few years. To continue the theme of todays Draft Spectacular pre show, last years winner of the mock draft competition Peter Shrager Joins the Progrum to go over his latest mock and what he has been hearing just hours up to the big event. Pat brings on NFL Network insider Daniel Jeremiah to wrap up the rumor cycle leading up to tonight. Pat finishes off the show by bringing on the offices very own “mock drafter” Mitt to unveil his own predictions of how tonight will shape up. Make sure you subscribe to the youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and tune in Thursday night around 7:35pm for the 4th annual Draft Spectacular. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Draft Spectacular Day Thursday, April 27, 2023. This sports program starts now. DST! That's right, it is Draft Spectacular Day. It is a celebration around here. New dreams will be coming true this evening as 31 guys will be drafted to the National Football League. We'll be watching alongside everybody else right here live from the Thunderdome. It'll be a family affair. Damn near everybody's here.
Starting point is 00:00:30 We got big-time giveaways, surprises, guests, convos, and probably some reactions to things that happened that we could never guess. All the mock drafts are out. We'll debut Mitt's mock draft to compete against the other mock drafts, and we'll be able to see what teams are thinking about doing for the future. Now, there's a couple mock drafts coming out that have some crazy shit popping off. Yep. Daniel Jeremiah at Move the Sticks, the man who did the combine alongside Rich Eisen,
Starting point is 00:00:54 will be doing the draft tonight alongside Rich Eisen. He's come out and said, you know what? Houston Texans, number two overall pick, C.J. Stroud, like we've been saying all along. Oh. Okay, all the other bullshit. And then at three, guess what? Houston Texans again. Will Anderson.
Starting point is 00:01:06 They're going to package their other picks straight up to two and a three. Daniel Jeremiah has a big fucking brain. He's been a scout for, I think, the Ravens and the Eagles. Yep. He is basically known as the next Mike Mayock, right? That he is filling in Mike Mayock's position at NFL Network. The previous person who did what he did, obviously, goes to be a GM in football. He's saying there's a chance the Texans go
Starting point is 00:01:25 2-3. What an electrifying evening that would be to be a Texans fan and for us to watch along. Nobody has a fucking clue what's going to take place tonight. Pete Schrager said that one insider told him that this is the most unpredictable draft of all time. Might have been Rappaport that reported that, but everybody seemingly
Starting point is 00:01:41 reporting the same thing. Tonight could be a clusterfuck, and we can't wait. Hell yeah. Everybody's here. It's going to be a great day here at the Thunderdome. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Corner. And Pac-Man Jones filling in for our guy, Ty Schmidt, yet again.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Pac, you look fantastic over there. Thank you, brother. But I think I speak for everybody. We missed the shit out of Ty. Yeah. You know, Ty is still battling that double ear infection. Ty is still, still battling against whatever infection decided to attack his beautiful head. That beautiful brain that is needed for Draft Spectacular Day is still in it.
Starting point is 00:02:17 It is a countdown. It's on. Oh, yeah. Big time. On how Ty's doing. Ty's battling this thing. Ty's taking his DayQuil, his DayQuil. He's taking all his other vitamins.
Starting point is 00:02:30 He's taking his shots. He's saying his prayers. He's keeping it positive. He's doing everything. We need him tonight. And what I'm hearing is it's close. Yeah. GTD or?
Starting point is 00:02:41 Just like the trade at the number three overall pick. I think, you know, it's one of those things where he's just mulling it over. We've got to just take our time and let it happen. Diana Rossini did report this morning that the Cardinals are mulling over multiple teams' interest in a trade for the number three overall pick. That is what the Texans are going to do is what Daniel Jeremiah says. Other teams have the Tennessee Titans going up there to get a quarterback. It is going to be bananas tonight.
Starting point is 00:03:02 In one half of the hammer, Cowboys 10 Diggs is here looking great on DSD. Happy DSD! Happy DSD! Hell yeah. You love the draft. Always have. You're like the friend in our group that has loved the draft since nobody else really understood why you love the draft. It is electrifying. It is electrifying. It's in the air. You can just kind of feel it.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Oh, it's palpable. It is palpable. We have some draft odds movement. Bryce Young's now minus 5,000 to go number one. I think that's pretty much obvious. Just before the show, Will Anderson moved to minus 250 to go number two. What? And then C.J. Stroud's a favorite at three, and Will Levis is the favorite to go number four
Starting point is 00:03:36 to potential the year Indianapolis Colts. Hey, 6'4", 230, got shredded, got a cannon. Hey, guys, I watch the Omaha Productions on them. You know what? Will, welcome to the team, if that's the case. If this is who Chris Bauer thinks that we need to have to win, cool. I'm with it. Now, if he doesn't and they don't, Will's going to get booed out of the building.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Yeah, but he's going to. I do feel like there's a chance that could happen. But I'm in on the Will train. I'm in on C.J. Stroud. Anthony Richardson, shit, He might go two overall. Nobody has a clue what's going to happen. Will is definitely a Hall of Famer. Peyton Manning, the Mannings as a whole, I believe.
Starting point is 00:04:11 I don't know. I know Archie. I know Eli. Yeah, I've seen this. Cooper. I know Cooper. I don't know if Arch, little Arch, gets a pick or not, but Will has been signed off on, so you're good to go.
Starting point is 00:04:20 The Manning family has actually signed off on Will Levis, two, Jim Irsay and team. We think he'll be a great quarterback in the NFL. I'll tell you what, that team, that family knows great NFL quarterback. They know ball throwers. Well, they were originally going to sign off on C.J. Stroud, but he skipped their passing cap, allegedly. Well, we don't know if that's real.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Well, we know he skipped it. Do we know if he did he go or not? He definitely went. Yeah, they filmed him. They did a full thing, yeah. C.J. didn't commit, so you can't skip something you don't commit to. Correct. Good point.
Starting point is 00:04:48 And, ladies and gentlemen, joining us on stage, great to see you live. Be a massive part of tonight's Draft Spectacular. Excited to see what you do tonight during the Draft Spectacular. Host of the Man to Man podcast and everything DB, Darius J. Butters. Yeah. Great day. Also the host of in the trenches, a man who is a Superbowl champion player coach.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Yes. He's Jockey moon football. He played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Baltimore Ravens, the Indianapolis Colts, the Baltimore Ravens, the Arizona Cardinals,
Starting point is 00:05:20 and then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Let's go. Let's go, let's go. Was that the proper transactions? I think so. I think you said Baltimore twice. It's really Indy twice.
Starting point is 00:05:31 No, didn't you get traded back to Baltimore? No, just once. Really? I thought you were going, I thought you do-si-do. Indy, Baltimore, Indy, Arizona. Oh. I didn't know Pittsburgh. I didn't know you put them home.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Okay. What round? Shitbird. Seventh round. What pick? 226. Oh. I didn't know Pittsburgh. I didn't know you put it at home. Okay. What round? Shitbird. Seventh round. What pick? 226. Oh. Wow.
Starting point is 00:05:51 What pick were you? 222. There it is. Same draft. Same draft. AQ and I had just met each other months before that at the ESPN College Football Award Show. That's right. And we had heard of each other, obviously, from the same town. We've heard of each other. Two different schools, though. Two different conferences. That's right. And we had heard of each other, obviously, from the same town. We've heard of each other.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Two different schools, though, two different conferences, two different worlds. And whenever we had a chance to be around each other, yeah, we just fucking shut the city down. We did it. We did it. We were the only people out. They had checklist people, right?
Starting point is 00:06:18 He won an award. I was a finalist for an award. Ray guy didn't give me his award. Ray. I should have. I should have won. Out of the people that were there, I should have won. But they had a checklist of somebody waiting for us as we get back
Starting point is 00:06:30 to the hotel. Yeah. And we were obviously the last two in. Assholes. Two kids out of Pittsburgh had to do that. And ever since then, we've been friends. But whenever you came to Indianapolis, I was pumped for you. Those transactions are crazy though. Deebot was drafted second round, right? Yep. Second round to the New England Patriots. That's a massive
Starting point is 00:06:45 ordeal. Did you know they were going to draft you? Did you have a good feeling? And what was the interview process with Bill Belichick before the draft? It was great. Him, Nick Casario, who's GM now in Houston, they actually ran my pro day. And obviously I went to college up there in Connecticut, which is pretty close. So we knew they were
Starting point is 00:07:01 hiling me going into the draft. And I was one of those late first, early second kind of guys. They told you that exactly where you were going to be? That's what my agent told me at the time. Aren't those projections sometimes completely wrong, right? Usually they're kind of on point. They pretty much know. I'm sure Pac knew, you know, in the general area where he was going,
Starting point is 00:07:19 and I knew, you know, once. It's usually who goes, you know, how the board is, right? Vontae was the number one corner in the draft, and he got some trouble with the combine. And I knew, you know, once – it's usually who goes. You know how the board is, right? Vontae was the number one corner in the draft, and he got some trouble with the combine. Malcolm was another corner, but they didn't know if he was going to play safety or not. So I was kind of like that second corner.
Starting point is 00:07:36 And Malcolm didn't go to a 14. Vontae didn't go to a 25. So I ended up getting pushed out. Patriots traded back and drafted – who we got? Chung, Vollmer, Ron Brace, Skyrest and Solon and me in all second rounders. That was your start into the league. They told you you were going to be a late first, early second rounder. Cowboys told me they were going to draft me.
Starting point is 00:07:54 They did not. Did anybody tell you AQ was waiting 226 picks? No, I wish. That must be really cool to know when you're going to start. That's what I was saying to these people. They say Aaron Rodgers dropped 20-something picks. It's like, what a tough day. I dropped in three fucking days.
Starting point is 00:08:10 I remember Russ Grimm was the offensive line coach. Legendary offensive lineman, right? So he's the offensive line coach of the Arizona Cardinals. He called me the day before the draft. He's like, love you. Love you on tape. Love your talent. Maybe first-round talent.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Maybe. Arms. There's a solid possibility you don't even get fucking drafted tomorrow but nobody it doesn't matter just get in just get in again these gms they hate your arm length that's that's all he said and i was like all right i just got to get in somewhere yeah and if you get in the building everybody's kind of treated the same except for the first rounders second rounders they're going to get more opportunities than everybody else but at the end of the day i think you know sports has remained if you remained. If you can play, you'll find a home, and they will pay you if you can figure out the NFL.
Starting point is 00:08:48 You did just that. Tonight, you'll be breaking down some trenches, huh? Let's go. O-line and D-line. I cannot wait. Both. Possible reenactments, right, Tone? That's what we landed for?
Starting point is 00:08:56 Yeah, I believe that was the easiest way to go about the night because, you know what, I mean, if you're trying to do offensive line and film breakdown, unless you're getting the plays from him and you're seeing the all 22 and stuff like that it's hard to find plays uh to break down so best best thing we could do kind of like what's your a and e maybe like a murder mystery channel oh okay this is a reenactment he's just kind of we haven't thought about that that's a idea. Maybe we put a little music behind. You know, as he's reenacting. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Thank you. That would be perfect. You're going to be sweating. Straight theater. Let's go. No, it's going to be a fun night tonight. I feel like we got every kind of position covered. Yeah, and a few other things, too.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Some of the stuff going on. By far the most we are doing for a draft spectacular ever. Also, the most amount of space we've ever had. I mean, you shouldn't have this much space. You know what I mean? When you have this much space, just look how bare the walls still are, okay? Certainly, we should have got this decorated or whatever.
Starting point is 00:09:53 We should get some sort of something somewhere. But all I think about is like, alright, how can we use this space to be absolutely ridiculous? And I'll tell you what, I think we figured it out. 100%. I think we figured it out for tonight. I'm very pumped for a couple of the things we got coming through here this evening. Yeah, people are probably right now
Starting point is 00:10:10 watching, thinking like, okay, they might be doing this or that. You don't know what we're doing. And if you keep thinking about it, you're not going to guess it. So just wait and enjoy the show when it comes. Really? I don't know. I think some people would think to themselves, what if something those dumbasses would do and then something would pop their mind.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And then maybe they go like, nah, no way. Yeah, that's what we're doing. That's the thought we're doing. No chance they would think of what you're doing. All right, well, hopefully not because it would be a good surprise. We're just trying to have a good time while we watch the draft. The draft has kind of taken over all the conversation, but there's another storyline that literally just broke a couple days ago
Starting point is 00:10:44 that is massive. Aaron Rodgers is officially a New York Jet, and he's officially thrown a football in New York Jet gear on New York Jet territory. It's real. To who? Alan Lazard. Rocking the Adidas shoes. I got an
Starting point is 00:11:00 Adidas deal. Nike can pay for the shirt, the shorts, and even the fucking socks, but the shoes are mine aaron looks in incredible shape huh mvp this is off-season throw right here this is one of the first we've seen from this month in the calendar year for years now and he said he'll be here for the duration of the otas he can't wait to get in there. Robert Sala said he's barefoot in the meeting room right now.
Starting point is 00:11:28 I think he's getting pretty comfortable. We don't know if he's grounding or if he just doesn't wear socks. He's making himself comfortable. He has to. And, you know, while he's throwing that, it's the first time some people in that building that work for the Jets are seeing him throw a football live, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:43 So, like, you think about you think about the chef or anybody else that maybe hasn't been on the road, ticket people, whatever is in that office that he's going to see on a day-to-day basis, new friends of his potentially, people that he's going to see, that's their first time. I wonder if there was any like, hey, welcome to the fucking show.
Starting point is 00:11:59 From Aaron. And I think that is what that rebirth thought, like having to go to a new place, reprove yourself, even if you're 38, 39 years old and people are already saying you're the best ball thrower of all time. That's what I saw from that small little video there. But I can be a little bit of a dramatic pack. What did you see from that thing there?
Starting point is 00:12:17 I think the same thing. You got to realize everybody that's been there for the last 10 years have had bums as a quarterback. I'm sorry. They all been bums. You haven't had no future Hall of Famer. You have not had a guy that's won a championship that
Starting point is 00:12:29 has been MVP of the league multiple times. This is a good day for the guys that's been up there reading the newspaper, that's typing the shit and never seen really good talent in the fucking building as far as being a quarterback. It's got to be a good coffee and just sitting back and enjoying the show. Darius, you had to go. Obviously, I saw it happen at Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Same thing with you, AQ. I'm excited to hear your thoughts. D, but do you feel like you have to reprove yourself? Like to the room, to the coaches? Is it like that first day on the job feel is something that people hope they can bottle? Like, hey, every day you're here, I want you to act like it's your first day on the job. Why? Because your first day on the job, you don't know what you don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:04 You don't hate anybody. And you're also trying to prove yourself, seemingly. Was it like that whenever you showed up in any? Because I feel like you dropped in and caught on very quick with everybody. Yeah, for sure. You definitely got to prove yourself in that new locker room. Obviously, Aaron, like we just mentioned, first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the best ball throwers ever.
Starting point is 00:13:20 But you come into a new city, to a packed point, that quarterback position, especially our draft, they went up and drafted Sanchez, top five. Hey, they won. Made some runs. Yeah, they made some runs. Never really got over the hump. Then you had Darnold,
Starting point is 00:13:32 and now it looks like a swing and a miss with Wilson. But I think it's a win-win for them, for the Packers, and even Zach Wilson. Shit, now he get a chance to sit behind the guy he was, you know, drafted to be in the meet room with him, practicing against that great defense. So, shit, when Aaron Rodgers gets up out of there, maybe he can be that guy that can step in and be a player.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Yeah, osmosis, you hope he gets better. I saw a quote. He got to get better. Has to. I sure hope so. Just being around something, you would think something would. Or not. He might not get better.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Yeah, there's people like this that just suck. And he doesn't suck. I'm just saying, like, at, like, learning. Like, I was very lucky to be around Adam Vinatieri. When I was around Adam Vinatieri, I was watching what that motherfucker was doing everywhere. Off the field, on the field, in practice, rehab, prehab, everything. It's like, okay, this is what success looks like
Starting point is 00:14:19 in a similar position to me. Zach could do that with Aaron Rodgers easily. Yeah, but see, for you, I'm sure it's probably the same. It's only certain motherfuckers that you would have respected like that to learn from, right? So like Zach Wilson, you're the number two overall pick. It's only certain people that you're going to come in and be like, okay, I'm going to really just watch everything
Starting point is 00:14:35 this dude do. Same thing with him. Vinatieri was a GOAT at that point. Aaron Rodgers, not in that same breath. You know, it was like a Brady or something like that, but he's up, especially with Zach Wilson. That's probably the guy he's up to his whole life. He had MVP Flacco. He didn't learn shit from Flacco.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Well, see, that's what he's saying. That's different. That's exactly what he was bringing. He didn't say Flacco's name there, but he was saying, like, Zach Wilson probably didn't respect Flacco. That's what he was saying. More two MVPs when Zach Wilson was in college. $100 million deal.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Joe Flacco, your former teammate of old Joe Flacco. Good guy, big fan. Love Flacco, your former teammate of old Joe Flacco. Good guy, big fan. Love Flacco. But to your point, though, yes. I can see how a number two overall pick or whatever the case Zach Wilson is, the way he views himself, another humbling experience. But he gets to learn from him. And that's a big-time deal.
Starting point is 00:15:17 I think that will help Zach Wilson in the long term. I saw a quote. It was on a Pro Football Focus's tweet. Oh, yeah, I've seen it. Was that real or not real? That was a real quote, yeah tweet. Oh yeah, I've seen it. Was that real or not real? That was a real quote, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. He's going to make my life hell in practice, and I'm going to
Starting point is 00:15:29 make his life heaven off the field. This is via Ari Miroff. Pro Football Focus had a thing like that. That's because Zach Wilson was asked about a veteran quarterback coming in, and he said he was going to make that person's life hell every day in practice or whatever on the field. Relax, Zach.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Love that you said that. Relax, Zach. Can't have it. But I do like that Aaron knew that happened, addressed it publicly to tell Zach like, hey, we're all good here and he's going to make his life heaven off the field. He's going to show him how to watch film, show him what to do. This is all good stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Plus, I believe they're both in like the same age for dating pools. So when they go out on the town in new york city they're looking for like the same age of woman so i think that's gonna help them all feel what's that was what's the uh cougar i think they call them well that would be that would be who is going after zach zach is going the other way so i don't know what that's called but him yeah i think they're getting along great i think they'll be friends and he you know if he's already bare Yeah, I think they're getting along great. I think they'll be friends. And, you know, if he's already barefoot in there, he's very comfortable. He's probably going to take them to, like, a sweet bathhouse like Viggo Mortensen in Eastern Promises with their dongs.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Hold on. Over there in New York, I don't know if they're fighting with dongs out, but there is a lot of those bathhouses over there in New York. A lot of those things. They're sweet. That is what I picture, too. I picture, like, Rogers and Zach Wilson, maybe a montage put together them driving around the city. They go to
Starting point is 00:16:48 a bathhouse first. They're cracking around making jokes. So much fun. Roll up the towels. Yeah, then they go to like a nice little Italian restaurant for lunch. They're just kind of hanging out doing cool stuff and then boom, it takes a turn and they're just going wheeling and dealing
Starting point is 00:17:03 every milf in the greater New York City area. That's what I thought that he was talking about. I did not know that's where that was headed, but I don't know. We don't know if that's happening. I'm not sure. We do know that they will connect on a greater level because it seems like every teammate Aaron has, Aaron has gotten along with, even though there's been two of them that have been on the media for like 30 years saying the complete opposite.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Yes. But he might have grown, he might have changed, and Zach Wilson could do the same. Joining us now is a man who is, you know, his status has not changed for the last like three decades. Nope. You're talking about the face of NFL Network, one of the faces of the NFL.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Tonight he'll be hosting the draft like he hosts everything else that the NFL does. He does a fantastic job, the ever-entertaining, and hosts the Rich Eisen Show, Rich Eisen. Yeah! Yes. Hell yeah. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:52 What's up, Pat? How have you been? Hey, I'm great, man. Re-jog my memory here. You're a Jets fan, right? Big day. Here we go. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Huh? We're happy. We're very happy, Rich. Oh, this is a great day and a great time i am fired up big time i am very very excited the jets 48 hours ago did not have a seat at the afc table for real now they do uh i just love seeing him wing it in the Jets. It's weird, though. I got to be honest. It's odd. It's just odd seeing him in something other than Green Bay and seeing him wear a Jets logo.
Starting point is 00:18:32 It's really odd. And all of us Jet fans are looking for the trap door to open up. And I'm not going to be one of those guys. I'm fired up. I think it's going to be a ton of fun. one of those guys i'm fired up i think it's gonna be a ton of fun um and and i i he's he can be the toast of new york city if everything works out and i i hope that does happen i mean isn't he like the most hilariously perfect person for that to be though too like him with being this hippie right he's a hippie with we all exactly i think I think that's what I've kind of gathered.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Now, he has shorter hair. You know, he's kind of doing his thing. Looks nice. But he is very much like, hey, let's just – let's all get along. I'm going to do my own stuff for my mental health. I'm going to be here. He's barefoot in the facility already. So him being like the toast of New York City would be so perfect.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Like, yeah, that would – it would seemingly make too much sense. They have to win a Super Bowl though, Rich. We're winning a Super Bowl now. You said you're sitting at the AFC table. That table's big. There's some big plates at that table. There's a lot of stars in there in the AFC. This is a pretty, the most lopsided I think the NFL's been, AFC-NFC for a while, seemingly in the AFC's favor there.
Starting point is 00:19:40 But it's a tough road over there in the AFC. We've got to win, though. We've got to win a Super Bowl, right? That's why the Jets the jets had to take this swing i mean that's why they had to do this because when you've got mahomes and allen and burrow making the final four two straight years and it gives you the sense that there's only one more seat at that particular part of the table when things get really, really tight. And two years ago, that seat was Tana Hills. And last year, it was Trevor Lawrence's. Why can't it be Aaron Rodgers?
Starting point is 00:20:16 I mean, this is a better team than the one that Favre strolled into in 08. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. I got to say. No, no, no. I got to say it is a better team. They got younger kids.
Starting point is 00:20:24 They got young Turks. And they got a coach who I think is ready to roll with them. I think they're in it. Rodgers is in better shape. I know. I got the allegedly part. My bad. I'm talking now.
Starting point is 00:20:39 You know, am I being deposed? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Watch your ass, Rich. You don't need to. I got it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Rich. Watch your ass, Rich. You don't need to. I got it. It's been tough, too, with all this that's happening, by the way. With the Jets and the Packers, it's been tough for us. Your Honor, I think I have evidence on my side to show
Starting point is 00:20:57 that the Jets are currently better than the 2008 version. Hey, listen, maybe. And I now may step down. So I am fired up i really am genuinely excited i don't remember the last time the jets could be construed as the hottest ticket in new york city and they will be i mean you look at their schedule they play the afc west the nfc east in their own division and it's going to be amazing we were talking the other day, maybe it's Jets at Cowboys
Starting point is 00:21:25 first Sunday night. Rodgers trying to stick it to the star one more time, now wearing green for the Jets. And that's, you know, that's where he took on the Cowboys. I remember on a Saturday night game when it was going to be Romo versus Favre and
Starting point is 00:21:41 Rodgers came in and lit it up. And I remember all of us saying, this kid's house pretty damn good. And that was when the big bald human babies were swinging on those things. My hero, Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Yeah, Scott Stapp. That night, Scott Stapp said something to Aaron while they were walking off the field in warm-ups beforehand. Like there was some rehearsal going on or something. You know that gif where the big human man baby is swinging on that thing at the Cowboys Stadium? I remember that.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Oh, now I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I remember that. That was the same night that he went in there. And Chris Collinsworth, like first play, goes, yeah, here, this. When he's going crazy and there's people, I don't even know how much. There it is. There it is. Big man
Starting point is 00:22:30 baby. Yeah, exactly what I said. You know what I'm talking about. I remember that now. That was the night that Aaron went in when Brett got hurt and Aaron said he remembered Scott Stapp saying something to him and thinking, oh, tonight seems like a little bit of a different night or whatever. He goes in, lights it up. Chris Collinsworth
Starting point is 00:22:46 first play goes, this is going to be quite a fall off. And now he's the fucking Jets quarterback in 2023 and they're off to get much better to win a Super Bowl. It's a beautiful thing. Let's talk about the draft happening tonight. I know you're very busy. You're going to be on television a lot here over the next couple of days. We are pumped to watch you, pal.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Do you still get excited about the draft? Do you still get pumped up? I do. I appreciate you saying that since i know you're gonna take half of my audience no no we watch with we all watch you we watch you okay we're in the phone i appreciate that yeah yeah i appreciate that because you know um i am fired up it is the most unpredictable draft I can remember. This is draft 19 for me. And, you know, I cannot recall a time where anybody could trade up, anybody could trade down. We think we know the first overall pick. I think it is Bryce Young. I would be stunned if it's anybody else. But then after that, it is on. And I just walked, you know, I like when I now that the draft is in different cities I like walking to the draft if I can I like walking through the the front door
Starting point is 00:23:54 of the draft as fans are going to be walking through hell yeah and yesterday I walked the path that fans are going to be walking tonight in Kansas City. You walk through and there's this large area that leads up to the World War I Memorial and Museum. And on top of this iconic spot in Kansas City, this museum, they've built the red carpet for the prospects to show up. And then on the other side of it is this huge lawn where the Chiefs have been holding their super bowl parade uh speeches and then after that there's the draft stage right in front of this train station that that that's framed by the skyline of kansas. They're expecting about 150,000 people tonight. It's going to be lit.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I can't wait. I feel the energy, you know, when I walk into a draft city and they're like the heartland of this country is not used to having a draft within drivable distance from Nebraska, Oklahoma, Wyoming, South Dakota. It's going to be awesome. I am fired up about it. And, you know, I've been at it long enough where the first draft choice of the first draft I covered was Alex Smith, and Rodgers dropped all the way down to 24th that night.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Now he's the Jets quarterback. And I believe the fifth pick of that night was A.J. Hawk, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, I think A.J. might have been a year later. Is that right? I thought it was 2004. Or 2006 was the first one that we did, right? Yeah, I don't know. 2006 was the first one we were at.
Starting point is 00:25:33 We were at that one. At any rate, I've been at it a while, and I'm fired up for tonight. I miss talking to you, Pat. Pat, I miss talking to you. We miss you too, man. How's life? How's the show? How's everything? How's the off-season going? Everything's good, brother. Everything is great. Like I said,
Starting point is 00:25:50 it's all good, and I love watching you blow up like you have. You are basic. Dude, you are like the king of sports media. Rich, let's move along. Rich, shut up. Rich, don't need it. You are the guy, Rich. 19 years you've been doing the draft. Don't need to hear that, okay? Don't need to hear it.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Let's move along. Honestly, I don't think I've ever been on a show up against somebody else's show who also goes top rope in WrestleMania. No, that's pretty sweet. You know, that's new for me. But I do miss talking to you. We miss you, too. We watch your clips, though.
Starting point is 00:26:24 We try to keep up as much as possible. You're a big part of our conversations in here in the morning. And obviously with draft time and any other big event, you crush it. Thank you for having me on your Sunday game. I mean, I love that show you guys run all season, man. I fucking love it. I like getting texts from you during the show every now and then that you're out there watching.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And I do like like Mooch, when you popped in to give Mooch the belt over Kurt Warner in one of our crazy-ass segments, that was phenomenal. Dude, I felt honored to do it. Literally, I filmed it right here. They were like, hey, can you get this to us by
Starting point is 00:26:59 4 o'clock today or something like that? I'm like, yes, you got it. I'm a massive fan of what you guys do over there. I think the NFL Network does good work. I think with the level of talent that you guys have, the resumes from the players, and then the amount of entertainment as well, I think you guys should be very proud of what you put together over there. And obviously
Starting point is 00:27:16 you're the first employee of the fucking place. So, I mean, that's an impressive thing you guys have built. You should be very proud. Thanks, pal. I really appreciate it. And if you don't mind, can I mention my Run Rich Run donation link? Hell yeah. Hey, you can do that
Starting point is 00:27:31 whenever you want. It's a great thing. It's runrichrun.pledget.org. I ran my 40-yard dash a couple weeks ago at the Rose Bowl, and I'm in one piece, thankfully. You look great. But every dollar goes to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, every single penny to make sick kids better.
Starting point is 00:27:50 And, you know, you've got a great, you know, kids hospital in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning being part of that. And there's one here in Kansas City, Children's Mercy, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital is one that is associated with the NFL on my run. And, you know, just runrichrun.pledget.org is whatever people want to give. Hey, that's awesome that you've done it.
Starting point is 00:28:09 It's become something that people look forward to every single combine time of the year. We have a guy in here that ran a 4-2-8. What did you run, D-Buck? I had a combine 4-4. What did you run, AQ? 5-1. I never ran it.
Starting point is 00:28:21 I want to let you know, you look like a guy that's running 4-2-1. I mean, the knee drive, you got good knee drive, arm swing. I mean, it's literally that is like what you're taught in classes. Are you training for this every year or do you just go in there and say, fuck it? I don't do shit, Pat. I do nothing.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I love that. I just sit on my ass. And that's why I'm glad that I'm doing it outside of Indianapolis because I used to run it at the end of the longest ass day at the combine. And I would sit on a chair. I would feel every muscle in my body atrophy. And then I'd have to get out there and run it where all these guys who are just like running on the fast track. But, yeah, man, I'm I'm we're running it. The piece of it of the run will be on Saturday, part of the draft.
Starting point is 00:29:09 And so who ran the 4-2? Pac-Man. Adam Pac-Man. He won number six overall. Yeah, it wasn't the other side. Pac-Man, I haven't spoken to you in forever either. I know, man. How are you doing?
Starting point is 00:29:23 I am great. 4-2-8? You great. 4-2-8? You ran a 4-2-8? Is that your pro day or is that the actual combine? Pro day. Yeah. I ain't running combine. I had no reason.
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yeah, what do you think, Rich? What do you think this is? What do you think this is? This is where I pick, Rich. You know that. We talked about that. Yeah, what do you think this is? And then I also heard, he told us this, you'd probably know more, at the 225 test, Pac-Man
Starting point is 00:29:44 just lifted it one time put it down and was like i can do it okay now let's move on that's my my favorite line deon's deon never who i saw you had him on your show he's one of my favorite humans uh he hated always watching cornerbacks doing the 225 because he as he said it was ridiculous because he never had to put jerry rice across his chest and lift him hey one of my favorite lines valid statement but it makes total sense like what are we doing what are we doing so good for you pac-man that's the way you'd handle your business hey i'll tell you what there's another guy in here as an offensive lineman who looks at
Starting point is 00:30:16 what a lot of the tests are at the combine and gets very upset i mean he doesn't have anything as clever as what deon said about it he just has has to go, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's pretty much what it is about a lot of that stuff. But the combine has become a spectacle, as has the draft. A lot of time on TV. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, I do, Rich. You just talked about day one and how exciting that is, and then we have Run, Rich, Run on Saturday.
Starting point is 00:30:37 But also one of my favorite things is that you don't hide your feelings. And when NFL Network decides to do some shenanigans on day three of the draft up on stage with you, you don't let your feelings and when nfl network decides to do some shenanigans on day three of the draft up on stage with you you don't let your you don't let your emotions hide there you will you make sure you know that i don't love this what's going on right now sometimes yeah the blue man group really really i was a hit that really got your best that was jacked up man i wasn't expecting it and they come on and they just took over the whole damn set. And the third day of the draft, it's kind of like, if you're still watching, bless you. I mean, it is.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Dream came true. A lot of dreams come true. Look. We got too late. Hey, look. I'm not denigrating it. I mean, like this year. I mean, you can't even call the last guy in the draft.
Starting point is 00:31:29 Mr. Irrelevant anymore after Brock Purdy. No, we're on your side. We get it. It's boring as fuck. I mean, we don't know who it is. It's tough. You guys you guys talk every day, three hours and then more. So, you know, there's an entertainment part to this whole thing.
Starting point is 00:31:42 So, you know, so me to be sitting there after a while and i'm i'm on hour 20 you know my my patience runs a little bit thin but that's when you also get slap happy i mean oh yeah um we we we went viral back you know like seven eight years ago when viral was kind of a new thing to be hell yeah on the draft set when a guy named willie beavers got drafted in chicago and mayock threw to the podium for the next pick by saying he was a beavers guy and the entire crew just could not handle he just started laughing and giggling and then it was over because the kid who got drafted that we had thrown it to while giggling, his last name was Bush. We couldn't we couldn't say another word after that.
Starting point is 00:32:32 And the producer gets in my ear when they come back and we're all giggling that he even says to me, come on, help me out. And I'm like, I can't go to break. Go to break. That was in Chicago. That was in Grant Park. I'll never forget that. That's why live TV is the best, dude. That's why live is the best. Honestly, I understand that a lot of people
Starting point is 00:32:54 don't do live. Live is the greatest. There's so much great that can happen out of nowhere. Now, you lack some things like editing and stuff like that. You miss out on that out of nowhere. Now, you lack some things like, you know, editing and stuff like that. You miss out on that type of stuff. But just the aspect of live with so many different ingredients at these drafts.
Starting point is 00:33:13 You got fans that are boozed up probably. You got the commissioner talking every three minutes. That's very abnormal. You got obviously the big embrace. Christian Watson maybe taking him out, blowing his knee out. Big dreams come true. Storylines. There's so much in there for a live moment to pop off. Like, it's just, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:33:32 It honestly is. It is. And then it doesn't stop. Then there's another pick and another pick and another pick that comes. And each one, everybody's wondering if that's the franchise altering moment for them. Like, could this possibly be the moment? Obviously, it takes some time to figure it out. But we're in this city now where,
Starting point is 00:33:53 you know, their lives changed when the Chiefs decided to move up in 2018 and, you know, take Patrick Mahomes. Everything changed. Every single human being's life that is in Kansas City tonight as Chiefs fans, their lives changed. And everybody's hoping that that will happen for them tonight. They obviously won't know until football gets played. But that's the beautiful part of the draft. It's hope. You just, you know, it starts fresh. All 32 teams are involved. Wow. And, you know, and dreams are made. Like you see parents crying, kids crying. It's awesome, man. 31 teams tonight, obviously, because the Dolphins said, hey, we want your quarterback.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Actually, you know, the word for it, Pat, that the league uses is they forfeited their draft choice. They did. You choose to do that. Okay, you choose to call a team in the division's quarterback. Say, come on over. Forfeiting as if they just purposefully, you know what, we will just forfeit our draft choice tonight.
Starting point is 00:34:54 That's a perfect use of the word. I like Roger Goodell saying, with the decision that you chose to make, which was very egregious, and everybody else behind him, very egregious, you have, in other words, said you don't want to fucking draft anybody this year in the first round. That's right. You have forfeited your pick.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Have a good one. So now we've got 31. How many hours is tonight? How many hours do you think tonight's show is, Rich? Seems like a lot of action, maybe. So is that longer, shorter? I'm on the air at 6 central, and then as soon as this thing's over,
Starting point is 00:35:22 and then Fallout, boy, will hit the stage. What? What? No way. He was a skater, boy. He said, see you later, boy. He wasn't good enough for her. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:35:35 That's Avril Lavigne. I don't think so. Throw it away. I don't know. I don't know. Forget yesterday. That's how it goes. Tomorrow, I think it's not.
Starting point is 00:35:44 No, that's the great escape, Foxy. Hold on. We need to follow up on a song at some point here. Does anybody in this pack? There is 25 people here. Is what I'm saying not follow up on? The sugar we're going down swinging. Oh, that might be it.
Starting point is 00:35:57 I'm being. Yeah, there's one. There's one. Sex out. Cocky and Paul, hey, We're going down, down. In a video. In a video. Singing.
Starting point is 00:36:11 That's metallic. I caused your producers to pull up a picture of Fall Out Boy. That's impressive. They were big, though. Like, hey, shout out to Fall Out Boy. I can't wait. That's Pete, right? Oh, shout out.
Starting point is 00:36:19 That guy's name's Pete. Is that Gulak? I think his name's Pete. These dudes are dogs, bro. Every Hollister had these motherfuckers blaring at him. Every Abercrombie and Fitch. These guys were just rocking in there. You walk in there, you smell 45 different colognes and scents,
Starting point is 00:36:33 and you hear Fall Out Boy. Shout out to Fall Out Boy. I can't wait to watch. Ed Sheeran's start with Fall Out Boy on the left. You should hear that guy. He makes great songs. Oh, yeah. They're all the best.
Starting point is 00:36:43 I love these guys. They're going to make bangers. How many songs are they playing tonight, Rich? No earthly idea. I don't have the set list, Pat. I'm just focused on the first overall pick, taking it one pick at a time and hoping for the best. Hey, stay focused.
Starting point is 00:36:54 I like that. Connor has a question for you about the draft. Yeah, Rich, do you get the sense that there's less buzz around this draft because the GMs are kind of coming out and saying there's, you know, less than 15 first-round grades? Or do you get the sense that there's more buzz because of the fact that no one knows what the hell is going on after the alleged bryce young goes number one let me just say something to you and this is no no uh disrespect to one kenny pickett last year kenny pickett was the first quarterback taking 20th overall and anything that the country really knew about him was that he had small hands and he was the dude who fake slid in college that's it we got five quarterbacks tonight
Starting point is 00:37:31 and most of them are from the sec ones from the big 10 let's go man like let's let's let's roll like this is what it's all about quarterbacks the top of the draft and then you got top-notch defenders that people have heard of and then you got top-notch defenders that people have heard of and then that kid bijan robinson i know you had him on too he was good i mean he was good on the show and he's so good and that is part of the nfl world too is what do you do with the running back position there are so and then there's drama at the top who's trading in who's trading out whoever says screw the whole blue chip conversation i don't care like this is really very very buzzy as far as i'm concerned certainly based on what we saw last year i will take any draft with quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:38:17 the top quarterbacks that everybody's seen play on saturday and some mystery as to who's going to go where and who could trade up and Belichick's in the mix potentially to trade up. Who knows? I love it. Are you given more information than us? Do you get to interview anybody or are you just keeping up with all the insiders? I'm just keeping up. Just doing the job every day.
Starting point is 00:38:38 As the host, I didn't know if they gave you more shit or not. No. By the way, I'm off of Twitter. I'm not on. I stay off i i want to be surprised you know by everything that that goes on oh really yeah i have no idea i don't want to know i don't wow i i find out as soon as it comes out of the commissioner's mouth hey hey that's talent rich hey you got talent rich this guy's got talent this guy's got a brain look at him he's out here doing it rich i love
Starting point is 00:39:05 that that's not normal in your position you know that i i i only know how i can do it and that's the way we do it i'm we're all off of twitter i mean mayock never was on twitter to begin with but even you know daniel uh taking mayock spot when mayock left to go do the the gming of the the raiders we're all off twitter we are not on it we don't know it and we just wanted to be surprised just like everyone else when there's a trade when something's happening um and that's the whole beautiful part about it if you're going to continue watching this draft as a television and entertainment show which it is then i'm there for it pac-man has a question for you rich oh that Oh, that's the matter. I wouldn't have thought that way.
Starting point is 00:39:47 He just said. Yeah, pretty impressive, Rich. Hey, Rich, you got a break. 19 years into this thing, you haven't lost it at all. You smoked dope? You smoked dope, Rich? Yeah. Right now?
Starting point is 00:39:55 You mean in this room? No, in ever. Do you? I mean, have I ever in my life? No, you get what I'm saying. Like, are you? Oh, not before tonight. No, not before tonight,
Starting point is 00:40:05 Pat. Oh, okay. You're in California out there, though, right? Well, I guess you live out there. You're in Kansas City now, but you live in California. I can see how that habit could develop quickly. They deliver that shit in... I don't know. Pat, I don't know if it would be a good look for the lead guy of the NFL Network to stroll in and out of a dispensary. I just don't know if that would
Starting point is 00:40:21 be a good look for me. Would it? You never know. Great look. Personally, I think it would be a great look. I just don't know if that would be a good look for me. You never know. Personally, I think it would be a great look. You might have different answers on the other side, but I don't know. Living in California, I feel like that's like, you live out here, you get great weather, you get this shit delivered to your house every single day. It just makes you happier.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Okay? Then you just go live your life. That is, I'm proud of you. You got a good brain. Good brain. Pat has something for you there, Rich. Since you don't know what the teams are doing how do you rank this talent in this draft compared to the last what 20 drafts that you have done what do you mean how would i rate just overall just the talent in this draft class compared to i would say i i honestly i i i'm not really an all 22 guy i just read what I read and hear what I hear and watched college football just like everyone else, you know. And so I would say folks believe if let's just say next year's quarterbacks were in this year's draft, Bryce Young might crack the top three.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Bryce Young might crack the top three. I mean, that's what everyone's talking about next year with Caleb Williams and Drake May. And there's no tanking in football, really, when it comes to the players on a Sunday or a Saturday or a Thursday. Amen. Say it louder. One office is my tank by taking players away. Amen. But, you know, when toe meets ball,
Starting point is 00:41:42 everybody still balls out and goes hunts. Hell yeah. But I wouldn't say that this is – if it's better than last year, I would say that, you know, based on what I'm seeing and hearing. So I think – But it all comes out in a wash. I know it sounds like a cop-out. It takes three to five years to figure out what a draft is anyway. We agree completely.
Starting point is 00:42:01 years to figure out what a draft is anyway. We agree completely. That's why the draft spectacular is what it is because, I mean, we're forcing D-Buts tonight to make Hall of Fame comparisons to all of these guys. And that's what everybody does because of what you talked about earlier with the hope and the optimism. This could be. Everybody could be. They were acting like it was breaking news.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Anthony Richardson said he plans on making it to Hall of Fame. It's like every motherfucker that goes in the first round is planning on making it to the Hall of Fame even if it was a kicker that was taken in the first round trying to make it to all the fame and the fans are hoping that they do as well it's a beautiful thing but you're right five years three years there's a lot of time to judge whether or not somebody's a great draft pick and who got screwed and who didn't right and the same thing goes for trades like everybody is evaluating the rogers jets packers trade right now and who had leverage and who didn't jets gave
Starting point is 00:42:46 up too much all of that and then you let's see how it plays out because again let's just use the uh the trade for uh matthew stafford the rams of the lions for instance at the time people are like really they traded all that for matthew stafford you know they gave up all those first round picks for a guy who's never won a playoff game really is that what they're doing so that was the evaluation first blush and then tonight when the lions are on the clock using the rams pick sixth overall some people will be like what a terrible trade that was they lost that first round pick but maybe if we asked anybody evaluate the trade on the night of the super bowl that the r won. In L.A. In L.A.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Damn straight. Like, they'll be staring. Like, the Rams, they'll be, when the Lions are sixth on the clock, they'll be staring at that beautiful trophy in the case and going, we're good. This is what we traded. This is what we traded for that pick that they're taking right there, probably on Jalen Carter, if he's not taken by that point,
Starting point is 00:43:43 because MCDC has already said something about him, even though we have no idea who's telling the truth and who's not. We're a big believer if you win a Super Bowl, you won. We are. Because especially in L.A. Think about the Rams. In L.A. with the Chargers coming there, Super Bowl in L.A., like winning, that is massive, especially with L.A. people.
Starting point is 00:44:02 No offense. L.A. people were probably looking for a team to be a fan of because the NFL is fun. They become football fans. A team is back with L.A. people. No offense. L.A. people were probably looking for a team to be a fan of because the NFL is fun. They become football fans. A team is back in L.A. Let's just pick a team. Which team are we going to pick? Oh, the one that won the biggest fucking game of all time in our city. That is a good business.
Starting point is 00:44:15 That is a good business decision. Last one here for you about the draft from D-Butt. Yes, sir. Rich, I know you've been doing this a long, long time, but do you have a favorite draft memory that kind of sticks out, you know, above all the other ones? Favorite draft memory. Either on, you know, obviously.
Starting point is 00:44:32 Does it involve a draft choice or us on the set? It can be anything, anything, the city, the pick, anything. No restrictions. Okay. Favorite city draft was Nashville. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. That was, Pat, you were draft was Nashville. Oh, hell yeah. That was, Pat, you were part of that.
Starting point is 00:44:53 That was a big part of your, your ascension to your current role in, in our world and sports media business. Bro, 250,000 people allegedly out there. That was, that was epic to use the phrase. It was epic. You put me over though. I appreciate it. You and Charles Davis,. Appreciate you guys. But you also, I mean, you had a perspective I didn't have.
Starting point is 00:45:11 You staring down lower Broadway. Look at that shot, man. I mean, that was unbelievable. Just a little promo work. Nashville should get this event once every three. It should be like a rotation of the Super Bowl. Just that was nuts. And that was a hell of a spot.
Starting point is 00:45:30 I loved it. That's my favorite draft set up in city in doing, other than, you know, me being a native New Yorker and doing it in Radio City Music Hall for all those years. That was great. And, you know, being there when the Jets traded it up for Sanchez. And that was a um and you know being there when the jets traded up for sanchez um and that was a big draft moment um drew pearson coming out and giving the eagles fans a bunch of shit was a lot of fun too that was great um then on the set and philadelphia too that on the rocky steps
Starting point is 00:45:59 that was amazing and mayock um he was so he was such a red ass sometimes. He was so upset that this was in the era where teams would on the last day of the draft have different setups to announce their fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round pick. Someone would like a fan from Denmark would be announcing a pick and all of that stuff. And Mark would be announcing a pitch and all of that stuff. And so the Colts one year decided to highlight their zoo, the Indianapolis Zoo. Oh, yeah. And had an orangutan introduce the picks by touching a screen to reveal the names of the picks.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Fucking Rocky is the name of that orangutan, yeah. Rocky, thank you. And Mayock was so livid. Me too. That these kids' dreams were being made. It's like their moment and instead of us treating it with the seriousness that it requires it's a as he said an ape touching a screen and my and then i just love it i think it was either charles davis so i know you also had
Starting point is 00:47:00 recently he's an awesome dude and uh or daniel jeremiah corrected mike to say it's an awesome dude. Or Daniel Jeremiah corrected Mike to say it's an orangutan. It's not an ape. He just lost his mind. There it is. There goes Zach Banner. Zach had no shot. No chance. That's an orangutan, by the way. The only reason why I learned that is it's not
Starting point is 00:47:19 orangutan. It's orangutan. The only reason why I know that is because when these things came to our city, it was this huge ordeal. We're talking about this orangutan exhibit is the nicest in the northeast of planet Earth, pretty much, is what I was talking about. So this Rocky had been in music videos. Rocky's been in some movies.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Rocky's a fucking dog, dude. This is Rocky right here. And as I learned about Rocky coming to our city, I was a big fan. This was actually a part of my draft announcement because this was shortly after I retired. Me, Joe Reitz, and Robert Mathis all retired at the same year. Robert Mathis, obviously the headline of that class, should go into the Hall of Fame at some point. Absolute dog. So when the draft came up, they had Robert Mathis pick the second overall pick,
Starting point is 00:48:07 the second round pick. Joe Reitz selected the third overall pick. And I love Joe. I fucking love Joe. I do. I enjoy Joe. Joe's a great guy. Joe's an incredible guy.
Starting point is 00:48:17 I love Joe. Joe was third round. And then the orangutan was the fourth round. So this guy replaced me. So I got replaced by fucking Rocky this year, pal. So yeah, yeah, this is a memory now. That's great. Yeah, I was sitting at home.
Starting point is 00:48:31 I was maybe on cloud 50 at home watching like, are we serious right now? That guy just, that's a zoo animal. That's the zoo animal. That was the whole thing. And then you guys were burying the, which I appreciated. Felt like I was part of the team. We were just, we were like, what is happening? And Mayock, the first
Starting point is 00:48:51 couple times, and you know Mayock with his attitude, he goes, if we go back to that ape one more time, I'm going to lose it. And we're like, well, here we go. Culture on the clock. Let's go to the zoo. And there's Rocky. Fantastic. Rocky runs this shit. Grover Stewart was obviously a much picker. He's still on a much quicker pick. He's still on the clock. Let's go to the zoo. And there's Rocky. Fantastic. Rocky runs this shit. Grover Stewart was obviously a much quicker pick.
Starting point is 00:49:08 He's still on the team. Hell yeah, Grover. I think he took a banana out of the bag. I mean, God. That's actually a 40. We don't know. We don't know if it's a 40. In the end, you got the last laugh, too, because I was just at the zoo
Starting point is 00:49:22 and Rocky is just in the dumps right now. They need to help him out. So I have seen the orangutan exhibit. I have gone to see it. The wife obviously loves the animals, so we've been to the zoo a few times. Said exhibit that they're in, I think when the weather's nice, it's really nice. It's great. They got things to climb on and do the whole zoo.
Starting point is 00:49:41 When the weather's not bad, they're kind of in this boxed-in thing. And I'll tell you what, they say that we share a lot of DNA traits with orangutans and everything. You're looking in the eyes of a friend who's in a bad spot whenever you're staring at that orangutan. Get me out of here, please. Please. They're sending messages.
Starting point is 00:49:56 And then one time I just seen an orangutan dump just shit right while staring at me. Just dump all over the place and then walk away. So I don't know how happy the orangutans are, but I don't think they're the orangutans are, but I don't think they're necessarily happy to be forced to make picks in front of Mike Mayock with no respect either.
Starting point is 00:50:12 These orangutans got a tough life. Yeah, it's brutal. I get it. Hey, maybe tonight, though, some other zoo animal shows up. That'd be cool. That'd be great. Like a wolf, maybe. I don't know if Kansas City has a zoo. I don't know. Maybe they do. I don't know. Kansas City has a zoo. I don't know. Maybe they do. I have no idea. Kansas City has to have a zoo.
Starting point is 00:50:28 They got a zoo. Kansas City has to have a zoo. That's where they get all their barbecue. They got that wolf walking around the street. Hold on a second. It's not where they get all their barbecue, is it? Because I'm going out for that later on. Yeah, they raise the pigs in-house. I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Gates Barbecue. Is that the spot? Is that a local? Is that where they kill them and cook them? No. That might be on tap for delivery tonight. There you go. That's the one, Rich.
Starting point is 00:50:53 The 14th pick or something. That's what I've heard. All right. What, Slap 2? There's another one? Who? We seen yesterday. Arthur Bryant.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Yeah. That's it. Yeah. There's another one. We'll go for it. A lot of good meat out there. Good meat out there, Rich. I saw that too.
Starting point is 00:51:10 You keep killing it, Pat. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Rich Eisen. We're watching. We appreciate you. We love you, Rich. Goodbye. Yep.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Appreciate you, man. Best. He's the best, dude. Yeah. He's the absolute best. And he's great for the entire weekend of the draft. So favorite draft memory was that orangutan yeah interesting he said sounds like i was you know i pissed mike mayock so man if we go back to that ape what a hilarious i don't know that's interesting because he's getting paid for how long then he signed extension
Starting point is 00:51:39 i don't know i can't remember a couple years right yeah i think he's getting money that's how that works right i thought he would have put another draft, like a mock draft out, and he didn't. He was good on TV. Yeah, he was great. He was really good. Being a GM over there for the Raiders, he was just, what, doing tasks for John Gruden. Yeah, Gruden was just telling him, hey, I want this guy. And then Gruden would send an email.
Starting point is 00:52:00 And then one thing led to another. Does anybody want to? Anybody? Jerry was going, hey, John, what's going on? Yeah, Jerry did a little peek-see. There's a lot that's going on in the NFL. Tonight is going to be bananas, it sounds like. I don't like that he doesn't pay attention to anything.
Starting point is 00:52:15 Yeah, he doesn't seem lucky, dude. He definitely does, though, because he saw us talking about the meet. Well, and someone has to tell him. Did he mean, though, like, on tonight he stays off Twitter, so he doesn't know what the pick is? Oh, gotcha. That's what I took that as. I was talking about leading up to it.
Starting point is 00:52:30 We don't have Twitter. He took yours the way you meant it. Or he didn't take yours the way you meant it. He took it as tonight. Yeah, but I must have delivered it falsely. I thought he was saying that he doesn't do it at all. He doesn't like looking anything up to the draft. That's what I was asking about. Can we call him back?
Starting point is 00:52:46 Can we call him back? Now is the Zoom? Because once the show starts, staying off Twitter makes sense for him because he just wants to see from the stage who's getting it. Real reaction. One million percent makes sense during the show. Yeah. Because it does not make sense leading up to it.
Starting point is 00:53:00 That's why I was so befuddled. I was like. You have to hear the noise, right? What, leading up? Yeah. He has to know somebody. He actually said Bill Belichick might be doing something, so he's on Reddit at least.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Yeah, so he knows that. Yeah, let's FaceTime him. Well, and the producer's got to be telling him when he's here. Well, here he has Twitter. He got a blue check. Yeah, he's very good. He's actually a pretty prolific Twitterer. He's not bad.
Starting point is 00:53:20 He's not a bad Twitterer. He claims he didn't pay for it. He claims he just got it back. A lot of people are claiming that. I paid for it. I mean, what are we talking about? I live on Twitter. I pay for it, too.
Starting point is 00:53:29 We post a lot of photos. Same. There's a reason to pay for it now, too, versus before. Yeah, I mean, it definitely makes your experience on there allegedly better. The fact that I can post long videos is 100% the reason why we did it. But also, I assume it's going to have other benefits. And also, it's a business.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I live on there. I fucking live on there. We need you to keep going. Edit tweets alone is worth it. People have been asking for that for years. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, back from Kansas City, Rich Eisen. Rich, what did I miss? No, we need a little clarity.
Starting point is 00:54:01 We need a little clarity on something here. So you don't do Twitter night of draft or leading up to draft? Oh, night of draft. Okay, okay, okay. Of course I do it leading up. Yeah, once, the thing I hate the most, Pat, and the thing I hate the most is anybody thinking I'm not genuine.
Starting point is 00:54:21 You know, like truly. I work too damn hard to, or i've got other shit going on in the world but i'm not gonna i'm a 53 year old man with a lot of shit going on like brady would say hell yeah like i'm i am not gonna go on the air just to look good or think i i'm telling you like i know stuff you don't like that's not me. I want to go on the air and host the draft. Like I watched it in college just to have, have those moments where I'm excited just like you are. And the last thing I want to do is go on Twitter and know this stuff or,
Starting point is 00:54:57 or be made to think that I do know this stuff. I don't. So I'm off of Twitter the first night, but I'm back on it for later on in the draft. Okay. So now we know that. Now we know that. Now we know that we can kind of pepper Rich with tweets the next couple of days. Not tonight, though.
Starting point is 00:55:11 Hey, we appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Rich, good luck tonight and the weekend. He's a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion. Not a Ryder Cup champion, but he is a champion of Ohio. Yeah, that's right. Ohio gave out an award and just said, hey, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:55:25 Who should we give this to? AJ. Some Ohioan. Hawker. Boom. We'll give it to AJ Hawk. It is a guy who's a father of 10, COVID survivor, and a man who won number five overall in the NFL draft, AJ Hawk.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Yeah! AJ, the champion of Ohio, obviously a good friend of Aaron Rodgers, we think, we assume. After his Instagram post a couple days ago. The first videos have come out of him slinging the pill for old New York Jets in that gang green. Probably in front of people that he's never met before, who he's trying to make
Starting point is 00:55:55 a good impression to. Thrown to Alan Lazard, common target, in his Adidas shoes, Nike fit. He looks in shape and he's fucking spinning that thing, AJ, in the middle of April. I don't know if we've seen video of this much in the past. He's there for the duration.
Starting point is 00:56:12 What are your thoughts on Aaron and the Jets getting started over there? I think it said it all when he walked in for his first day, and he has the Jets hoodie on. He hadn't even been to the facility yet, and he's already supporting the squad. You can tell how excited the dude is. Obviously, nice little completion here. Alan Lazard, nice catch and get up field for
Starting point is 00:56:30 some yak. Jets in the Super Bowl, right? Yep. I think that's the only option. That's it. Super Bowl or what? Or nothing. Bust. You tell us, AJ. You know more about it. I'm saying for the people in New York like Greeny and the people who are diehards.
Starting point is 00:56:45 Are they thinking, hey, are we completely devastated if they don't win the Super Bowl? Well, I actually saw yesterday that Aaron said, like, he sees Mike Greenberg and everybody else. Greeny ripped that clip and said, best day of his life. Got a text from Greeny yesterday. Hey, did you see this? It was the video of Aaron shouting out Greenberg. His wife posted it and said, hey, he has openly said, I think he's got like three kids, obviously married. A couple
Starting point is 00:57:07 of them. I don't know. Two, I believe. Best day of his life, Aaron Rodgers saying. I know Mike Greenberg is out there excited, but it's all the other fans as well. Jets fans are having a parade right now. And on the other side, the Packers, what are the expectations? What are the expectations? What are the thoughts? Are they going to give
Starting point is 00:57:24 Jordan Love a couple years? Goody has handled this all pretty well I think publicly I think publicly he's handled this well I don't know about everything else behind the scenes but like what do you think the expectations are for the Packers for your Packers for the the team that you're the all-time leading tackler for AJ well I feel like with the Packers as long as Aaron has been there like I heard yesterday people were talking about oh like winning a division like that's never been a thing like Like, when Aaron was in Green Bay, winning the division was never something you talked about. It was a given. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Like, Conman and the Patriots, they expected to win a division for so many years. They've been expecting it forever. You have your eyes on the Super Bowl. No, I expect it. So that's why. When you lose a great quarterback, the expectations change. And I don't think the Packers have picked up Jordan Lowe's fifth-year option. So it really is kind of like.
Starting point is 00:58:04 They have until three days. End of the weekend. Why didn the Packers have picked up Jordan Lowe's fifth year option so it really is kind of like that. They have until three days. End of the weekend. Why didn't Chase Young get picked up? I didn't understand that one either. That's interesting. He was just on TV. Yeah. Well he was hurt for two. I mean AQ. I know AQ. I think this year's a figure it out. We got to see what he can do. He's been out for
Starting point is 00:58:20 two years. He was so unblockable for the first two years though like Has he played? What has happened? He didn't play last year at all. He hurt his knee. ACL, right? He hurt his knee against us. It was kind of like a... No, I'm not going to say it. It wasn't a Ben Simmons situation
Starting point is 00:58:35 because we don't know. It was kind of like a Zion situation where it was like he was supposed to be back for the beginning of the year last year. And then he just never was. Was that public expectation? Internal? Why did we think he was going to be back? I think it was just the beginning of the year last year. And then he just never was. Was that public expectation internally? Why did we think he was going to be back? I think it was just the timing of the – Did he play at all?
Starting point is 00:58:51 Remember, they, like, activated him off the pup, and he started practicing a little bit. And we're like, okay, here we go. And then he never got back. We thought they were going to make a run maybe to make a playoff run, didn't we? Yes. Because old Cousy, Heineken.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Heineken. Zin, zin, zin, zin. That's all they were doing was winning. Yeah, they beat the Eagles, and then they went on that run. Beat the Colts last second, last drive. Throw to scary Terry McLaurin. They go on a run, and then he comes back. We're like, okay, they got the best D-line in football.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Yeah, they were in it, and then Ron Rivera didn't know that if they lost that game at the end of the season that they were eliminated from the playoff. He didn't know the playoff implications. Yeah. When Carson Wentz started. Is his mic sound weird? Hello, hello, hello. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Maybe it's my ear thing. Are you coming through one ear on anybody else's ear? No, good for me. Me too. I think it was good for me too. Let me hear that. Hello, hello, hello. Sounds good.
Starting point is 00:59:40 He does sound really good. Nice pipes. Yeah, because in the first hour you were using a lav around your neck. Yeah. Now you're using his mic. Sounds good. A little sound really good. Nice pipes. Yeah, because in the first hour, you were using a lav around your neck. Yeah. Now you're using his mic. Sounds good. A little better? Listen to you.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Got some bass in there? Man. Oh, my God. I'm excited. Today's a draft. Let's go. Let's go. DSD got a mic.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Holy. Let's go. Hell yeah. Anyways, go ahead, Tyler. So he had his rookie year where he played 15 games, had that great. He was, what, defense rookie of the year? Yep, yep. And then week nine, the second year where he played 15 games, had that great. He was what? Defense rookie of the year. And then week nine, the second year he got hurt. So normally when you get hurt week nine, you would think you'd come back the next year.
Starting point is 01:00:11 He had ACO. He played two games and had five total tackles. Where are the two games late? I don't know. To be honest, doesn't say. Oh, did he come back for two? And then they shut him down after. Yeah, he was on purpose.
Starting point is 01:00:24 I'm really. Well, I know to start the after? Yeah, he was on Pup or something. Really? Well, I know to start the season he didn't play. Weird year. I thought it was like week 12 or 13. In my head when I seen him on TV this morning, he was on Up and Atoms. He was alongside Rich Paul with Clutch. They signed a deal with? New Balance, maybe?
Starting point is 01:00:37 Is that what it is? A shoe brand. New Balance. I think Rich Paul took over control of the shoe brand. Of New Balance? Bruce is saying yes to New Balance. New Balance. Okay, so New Balance is becoming a new brand.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Chase Young, I believe, was one of the signings for that particular brand, if that makes sense. Just like Bryce Young just got signed to Jordan. Congrats, Bryce Young. Getting free J's forever. That's sweet. What a connect. Unbelievable. In J's forever. That's sweet. What a connect.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Unbelievable. In Carolina, too. Good for him. Makes sense. Hey, Bryce Young is going to be number one overall. Everybody just kind of understands that now at this point. Yeah. Minus 5,000. I mean, you can't really think any other way.
Starting point is 01:01:19 There's no way that changes. No way. I know we was talking about the size was the only thing that was a knock on him, but I think that's over with. And once you go look at it, the quarterbacks ain't getting hit really like that. You can't hit them in the head. Can't land on them either. You can't plant them like you used to.
Starting point is 01:01:34 You used to be taught to plant them and, hey, my weight needs to land on this dude. And what is it now? What was the word they were using? Sling? Yeah, sling, not sling. Slung, sling, not sling. The Grady Jarrett, Tom Brady tackle. I forget how they were.
Starting point is 01:01:46 Yeah, that's what it was. Can't do that. That was the debate. Well, so you're allowed to sling. Oh, it's still good. The Gator roll. Hip drop. Who came up with that name?
Starting point is 01:01:55 Peter King. Peter King. No, it was Will Sharp. The inventor of football, I believe. Yeah, Will. Will Sharp. Warren is his name. There's no reason for you to speak the way you speak.
Starting point is 01:02:04 You got a cool staff. I thought you guys got along. I thought you were Warren Sharp. We're back. his name. Warren Sharp. There's no reason for you to speak to ladies. We don't want Warren. Got a cool staff. I thought you guys got along. I thought you were Warren Sharp. We're back. We are. We're tight. You read his book, Tony.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Yeah. You have his book. Yeah. Big, big book. Right. Sitting right next to Greenies. Numbers in football. Nice.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Look at that. He was very pissed off about that tackle and what it was doing to people, though. Especially the Pollard. Because Pollard, right? What's that? Yeah. Tony Pollard. That was the last one.
Starting point is 01:02:24 In the last game of the year, the Pollard tackle. Yeah, it's like the... That's the name of it? Did you guys know that was the name of it? Absolutely not. I've never heard of it. Never heard of the name. It's not a football name like we should know. Is this some shit somebody else made up that didn't play?
Starting point is 01:02:39 Absolutely. Exactly. Oh, we're going to call this shit the Gator Road. What the fuck is the Gator Road? That happened in my home against the Jacks. Okay. It's called trying to get a motherfucker down. By any means possible.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Yeah, but they were trying to get rid of that because I assume with Warren Sharp getting involved, the number of times that particular tackle was used and how many times people were injured versus other styles of tackling, which I guess the hip drop tackle would be tackle from behind. I think that would be the side. I think I felt bad. I technically had a hip drop tackle on Larry Johnson, and he hurt his ankle bad. Like, it is dangerous.
Starting point is 01:03:15 I didn't mean to, but like D-Bud said, you got to find a way to get the guy on the ground. And I was, like, flying sideways on him and had to recover and, like, slid down his body and landed on his ankle. It felt terrible, actually. So what are you doing? You're wrapping him, and then you're just trying to put all the weight in the ass to get to the ground as fast as possible?
Starting point is 01:03:31 Well, I mean, it's not – it's all, like, instincts or whatever. I think he had, like, an angle on me, and he kind of was going downhill, and I hit him, and then, yeah, as you're trying to adjust and not get run over, you're grabbing whatever you can, and you slide down the legs. Yeah, it's normally – I don't think you can do this on purpose, though. No, you can't. You can't you slide down the legs yeah it's a it's normally i don't think you can do this on purpose though no you can't you can't teach that you definitely that's why the jacks chiefs conversation was so big because my home remember he threw the ball and the guy had his arms on his hip and instead of just kind of letting it go he just dropped down
Starting point is 01:03:58 and fucked up his neck i think intent is going to be something that should be able to be but they don't they don't i've argued with them you. Because they're scared to death. I've argued with them. Hey, they're scared to death to do it because now you're getting more refs reading things. Like, the NFL doesn't want that. No. No way. Especially because you got refs out there. Huh?
Starting point is 01:04:14 Huh? Huh? Yeah, exactly. Back of the head. You know what I mean? Boom. That's what I thought. Fuck you.
Starting point is 01:04:21 You're out. Personal foul. Asshole that just hit me. Yeah. They're ready, you know? So you don't want to... I think the NFL is scared to death. Well, some people in the NFL are scared to give the refs more judgment because now you're banking on the human as opposed to the role.
Starting point is 01:04:37 You know what I mean? But I think you have to have the humans in there. Have to. All the great refs, all the people that we respect, all the people that are basically talking on TV now. Yes, they were all humans. Like that is they were reading the game. You hear Gene stare toward these two guys have been hand Jaston all game long. If it's a little bit more, they kind of know where we're at.
Starting point is 01:04:56 If it's a little bit less, they know where we're at. Like you kind of got to just kind of play it like that, Pat. Like that's literally how he he breaks it down. It's like, oh, you're a human there. You know, like you're a human there. You're using intent and judgment and reading and consistency seemingly while other refs are like, well, by
Starting point is 01:05:11 the book, I can call this and I will call this. It's just a fine balance of how they fix that. Whenever they were thinking about banning that whole thing, it was like, how is that going to... How are you going to be able to ban that? I don't know. I guess they thought they couldn't, couldn't ban the helmet down tackles either.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Like you used to do and try to end in on a quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Landing is, but the horse collar is what's kind of, I understand the horse collar thing, but it is crazy. If you watch clips, I don't know when the horse collar came in, like every once in a while clips will pop up from college or something. And we're making horse collar tackles all day long, on the sidelines all over the place and also diving headfirst into piles like when if you're pursuing the ball there's two or three guys on them you have d lineman guys diving head first in and there's never a flag called and now i'm like man you're you're conditioned now but
Starting point is 01:06:00 yeah that could be thrown out of the game probably so such an easy way to get somebody down too yeah i mean you know what i mean? That was great. It was an incredible... I have a couple college kicking return, I think. Horse collar. Just let me grab this fucker. I'm heavier than you are. You're coming down. But it was like a setup. I'm happy they changed that rule.
Starting point is 01:06:17 I understand it. I understand it. Yeah, because I was ready to fight when somebody did me. Every time. It don't matter. Like, hey, bro. Let's go go you can roll your shit you can i mean that's the easy you knees it feels like you should blow something every single time your body gets bent that way at the speed in which you're at there so i like that they change that there is a rule what like upper shoulder plate though whatever right guys are grabbing and tackling by jersey jersey you just can't grab the back of their collar. Yeah, see, that's a bad play right there.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Yeah, you can grab back of a jersey, but you just can't grab the back. Shoulder play. I think the name plate. He probably got fined like hell on that play. How much do you think he got fined, D-Butt? That's a hundred. That's a hundred piece. You're talking up here?
Starting point is 01:06:58 Like up here? No, I think it was like the name plate. There was something that happened. Not this one. There was something that happened. You can one. There was something that happened. You can grab them, but you can't, like, pull them. Like, you can touch up there. I forget the rule.
Starting point is 01:07:10 But what we're all getting back to is that they've changed rules on hitting and, like, doing that type of stuff. That hip drop one I think would be very interesting to see how you would actually – how athletes would adapt. Yeah, how would they change that? It's not something you ever are taught. You can't teach it. It's like it's an instinctual thing where, hey,
Starting point is 01:07:28 I got to do whatever I can to get them to play. Hey, it wasn't banned. Let's just move on. It wasn't banned. Why are we even bringing it back into the world? If it ever does get, I feel like the athletes will adapt, just like the defenseless receivers, the horse collars, the shit we've always done, like once the game changed,
Starting point is 01:07:43 the landing on the quarterback, slinging them, like once it changes, especially, you heard Pat, you're talking about 50, 60, you know, these big fines. Shit, motherfuckers learn quick once that money starts. James Harrison didn't. James Harrison, he was, well, that was a part of that whole transition phase. And I think like the heads up football and U.S. football and all that shit that kind of had the next generation ready.
Starting point is 01:08:03 You know, like this whole generation now, their heads are out of it completely. They teach them to head behind. I still can't figure it out, but yeah, angle tackle, they have their head behind the ball, not across the bow as you always usually. You don't go head to ball. I'm not going to tell you what I teach,
Starting point is 01:08:18 but I'm saying how the videos they have you watch and the heads up tackling. I've talked to many people that played at high levels and i can't really get a possible explanation on how the head behind i just know any running back who's decent at all if he has an angle and he's running towards the sideline if i don't get my head across he's either stiff on me to the ground or he's just running clean through me right right through that one you know that one arm real good whole body a lot better you know what i mean that's a that's a vastly different scene there your kids aren't gonna get run through though no no way it
Starting point is 01:08:51 will everyone hey it's part of the deal you're gonna get run over but you gotta figure it out but it's like i just don't know it's like head behind and then they teach like the old rugby roll gator roll situation oh there it is gator roll tackle. Oh, there it is. Gator roll, tackle. That's why I looked it up. Hip drop comes from rugby. That's where it's at. Oh, okay. Okay, so it has names over there. They have styles over there. Over here, it's just get the ball on the ground.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Right. Head to the ball. Well, not anymore. Head to the ball. Head behind. In the league, that's the only time we tackle, too, is in the game. Like, literally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:20 So you tackle Shady McCoy, Aja Peterson, you know, but John Robinson, you've got to tackle those guys Aja Peterson, you know, but John Robinson, you got to tackle those guys with literally no prep throughout the season. You may do maybe a couple drills in training camp. Just some thudding. Yeah, just some thudding. But no taking it down to the ground. You don't have no time where you take it down to the ground.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Completely different. Completely, yeah. There's some guys, tell you like, there's some corners that love to hit, some undersized guys that love to hit. Then there's some guys that we're not, right? That's not what we're here for. I like the action. You did?
Starting point is 01:09:47 Yeah, I love the action. But I came from playing running back. You about that. So it was kind of different. I went from running back, going to West Virginia, being behind Avon Coburn, saying you're not going to play up. You can go over here and try to start at corner and do punt return, kick return.
Starting point is 01:10:02 It sounded like a better deal to me. Hold on. That's when you started playing corner? Was west virginia yeah oh i assumed you came up on the island no no i came up in the backfield bro having five touchdowns what for 410 yards what it was a normal weekend for me really that's a real deal yeah real deal so who who taught you corner you just coached me tony gibson gibby taught me everything i know right now he's at Really? That's a real deal? Yeah, real deal. So who taught you corner? You just picked it up? Coach Gibby. Tony Gibson. Gibby taught me everything I know. Right now, he's at NC State.
Starting point is 01:10:28 Yeah. Wolfpack. We're talking full tin in that guy's face. Hell yeah. He recruited me out of Pittsburgh, too. We're talking massive. Horseshoe. Old school.
Starting point is 01:10:38 It feels like his face. He's a handsome guy. But it feels like his face might be stretched at some point. So not the only thing he taught Pac-Man. Yeah, he definitely taught me to dip, too. Whoa! It's all his fault. It's all his fault.
Starting point is 01:10:52 He's. He was your fucking fault. If you want to call him, he's a great guy. We still talk to him. We just talked to him the other day. I can't believe that's why. I did not know that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:59 Then you go five overall. It's pretty good. Yeah. That makes sense why you're so comfortable with the ball in your hand. Three years after learning how to play it pretty good that's tough position yeah that's interesting just wouldn't go to safety that was a running back move to corner well i don't play any other positions yeah it makes sense why i caught a pass on him now yeah it just hasn't played that's the thing and we i asked him about uh what you did he said playing every position
Starting point is 01:11:22 that takes big brain that's a big big brain. I'm excited to hear you break some people down tonight. It'll be fun. Whenever it comes to the comps, because you played corner, nickel, and safety. Yep. A lot of people do that. I think Pat P's about to do that right now, right? Is he? He's moving?
Starting point is 01:11:33 I think so. They were on the All Things. Is that what All Things is covered? Is that what it's called? Yep. McFadden? Yeah. CBS?
Starting point is 01:11:39 And they were talking about how the Steelers are going to be asking him to do things that he's never done in his career. And he basically said, like, you know, when you're the guy, most teams just have you just take away the another guy. But now – and McFadden was trying to ask him, like, what exactly he's going to do. And he just said, I'm going to be all over the field, basically. I mean, he's a smart dude.
Starting point is 01:11:56 We had on the show, he talks about how he breaks down film. Big body, obviously, so he can play in any position. Knows the game inside and out. You know, he's done all the other shit. Followed the number one receivers. What are you, a top five coming up? Yeah. Played both ways.
Starting point is 01:12:10 He was a dog. An absolute dog. He was catching the ball on the one in the end zone on punts. It's like, what's this guy's problem? Bro. Let it go. Just like this fucking asshole right here. But whatever.
Starting point is 01:12:21 What was it like? That's a big transition. You just kind of have to know everybody's position. That's the biggest deal with that or what? Yes. So did you struggle ever? Early on, like when I moved to safety full time, just like the angles, because as a corner, you know, your back is to the ball a lot.
Starting point is 01:12:37 You know, you're tackling wide receivers a lot in space. At free safety, shit, that A gap can open up. It's you and the back one-on-one. You got to break, you know, coming towards the line of scrimmage sometimes with the ball in the air, so it was different. That was the biggest adjustment. But as far as, like, physically, like,
Starting point is 01:12:54 the stress levels going from corner or nickel to a safety, completely different night and day. Much easier from that standpoint. You can see more at safety. You can, you know, anticipate things more. I probably enjoyed playing safety probably the most out of all of them, honestly. Hey, you used to hit people too every once in a while. Yeah, I threw it around a little bit.
Starting point is 01:13:11 I was only a buck, buck 85, so I couldn't get in there every time. What are you now, 250 on all the juice? Dunking on people at the Y? Did you see that video he put out? Him cutting promos onto people he was playing against. Did you see this? Yeah, but who do you have filming? Are you just getting highlights all day long on that?
Starting point is 01:13:27 So on that, the last one I put out, it was somebody filming. Some guy I didn't know. He sent it to me after. But, I mean, I got brothers, whoever come to the gym. You know, I'm 37 now, so I got to get this shit on tape. This is my last dance. So what, y'all just meet here every weekend? You just go dog them out?
Starting point is 01:13:44 You know, sometimes you get invited to different gyms we hooping here, we hooping at this high school, we got this so it depends. I'm always trying to look for it. After COVID, after every bunch of gyms got shut down it's tougher, so now people call You've always been pick up basketball guy though?
Starting point is 01:14:00 Oh yeah, I'm Tamar. As soon as the season ends, it's pick up ball every day. That's the best conditioning. And you beat the hell out of him. You're very good at basketball. Yeah, you're very, very good at basketball. Can you get in Gary Vee's game, you think? No, I wouldn't play with Gary Vee.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Why not? I can't play with dudes like that. Dudes like that? White? What's that all about? You want to play with white guys? He plays hard. Give him a break.
Starting point is 01:14:24 What's that all about? He loves the game. Nah, it's too much. I saw small clips of his footage and the fouls in the air. I jump. I try to get up there sometimes. No free layups, bro. Yeah, but have you seen his jumper, though?
Starting point is 01:14:36 Well, that's fucking ridiculous. Guy can shoot it from anywhere. He could be on my team. There you go. Okay. Play with him. That's a mean screen. Because then you got to play as a football player. If you're getting fouled, now I got to play more physical. So now I got to keep you up. Okay. Play with him. That's a mean screen. Because then you got to play as a football player.
Starting point is 01:14:45 If you're getting fouled, now I got to play more physical. So now I got to keep you up on the ball. They're trying to light that switch back up. Yeah. You know, I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to hoop. Yeah, every once in a while, though, the things you do to people in there, I assume there's some fouling coming.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Yeah. You know what I mean? At some point. I got one foul, AQ. I want to keep it as finesse of a game as possible. Smart move. He's going to foul you, though, quick. Like, he's coming in there quick with the elbows. Do not drive follow AQ. I want to keep it as finesse of a game as possible. Smart move. He's going to follow you, though, quick. He's coming in there quick with the elbows.
Starting point is 01:15:07 Do not drive on AQ. He's trying you early just to see what it is. So you've got to go straight flat elbow, middle, lower back. He's in the Western Pennsylvania Hall of Fame for sports, not football. We had to tell before the game, hey, man, don't start that bullshit. This is a pickup game. No, he will, though. That's the thing.
Starting point is 01:15:24 The minute someone drives and fucking bumps into me, it's over. Oh, you bullshit this is a pick up game no he will though that's the thing the minute someone drives and fucking bumps into me it's over oh you think you think this is your place okay okay your floor give me the ball I got it I can't wait for the night I am very excited for the night the amount of comps that we're gonna get the conversations that are gonna come from
Starting point is 01:15:39 we think this guy's fouling anybody to pick up basketball game I don't know these are pieces of information that's the type of shit that's getting read right now, though, AJ. I think that is something that I think helps keep it all in perspective. So, like, you hear a story about a guy. Some team hears a story about a guy. I got a billion-dollar team I'm running, okay, the Indianapolis Colts. Yep.
Starting point is 01:16:01 You hear a story come out about a guy, anything. You hear a story come out about a guy, anything. Hey, when this guy took a shit at the facility, he used 16 squares of toilet paper. Wow. Okay? So that news trickles into the war room somehow. Okay? Now all of a sudden they have to block that out.
Starting point is 01:16:19 That's not real information. That's not real information. But also, 16 is a lot of fucking squares. Is this everything? That is why I assume GMs and everybody are excited for tonight to start. I am sick of the overanalyzing. I'm sick of the overquestioning. I'm sick of the overinformation, what's real, what's not real,
Starting point is 01:16:38 all the bullshit stories. It feels like the insiders are actually a part of this. From the conversations that we've had with people, I think that teams call these insiders and be like, hey, what do you know here? What do you know here? It's become a much more open process. It's a big game of poker, and I think they're all pumped to get started, AJ.
Starting point is 01:16:55 Don't you think it could be part of all, like, these head coaches and front offices at certain places are younger generational people that have been used to, I don't know, they're not as paranoid maybe as some of the old school guys, so they're not scared to reach out to guys like Schrags or whoever and try to get some info. Not manipulate them, but also have them put stuff out there that maybe they want out there for whatever reason.
Starting point is 01:17:17 Joining us now, I cannot wait to intro this man. By all of our accounting, the best mock drafter out of all the mock drafters what he won last year his knowledge this year says he's got 28 of the 31 he just doesn't know exactly where everybody's going he released his latest mock and his final mock this morning the emmy winning host of Good Morning Football, Peter Schrag. Yay, Peter! Schrags, how are you, pal?
Starting point is 01:17:50 Oh, I'm so good. I just did four hours of TV in the morning. The sun was shining. Everything feels right. Phone's blowing up. This might be my favorite day of the NFL calendar year. I love the Super Bowl. I love the action on Sundays, but this is one where I truly have so
Starting point is 01:18:05 many questions that are going to be answered. I'm going to sit back and enjoy from this point on. Tregs, we understand why you could enjoy it because there's a lot of people trying to guess what's going to happen and you seemingly know what's going to happen more than anybody else. I saw you put out one tweet about what you guessed at number two and you said in that tweet you were trying to crack the code. You tried your best. what has it been like trying to get this information you're just calling every gm you're talking to every gm that you know asking them what they know and how much information do they really let out to you or maybe even other insiders i'll let you behind the curtain so i put a white flag up this morning on number two i said i don't know every year i can act like i know this is the year i don't know
Starting point is 01:18:44 number two. It's between three players. It's between C.J. Stroud. It's between Tyree Wilson. It's between Will Anderson. So you say, well, you know, how arrogant are you that you should know? Like, why would you? Well, here's the thing. Nick Casario worked in New England for many years. Got a lot of colleagues around the league that worked in New England. There's a lot of people who worked who are in that Houston staff now. The new one with D'Amico Ryans that have been at other places. I've got contacts all over the league, people who are plugged into Houston, and I cannot get a firm answer on what they're thinking in their building.
Starting point is 01:19:13 I can't get a firm answer on what the thought process was leading up to this. Now, I have them taking Will Anderson. Guess what? Two days ago, I had them taking C.J. Stroud. Guess what? Four days ago, I had them taking Tyree Wilson. I come here humbly. I put my hat in my in my hand and i come here and i shake my head it's the greatest nfl draft ever i do not know who's going second overall here's what i'll tell you the connection to will anderson is this is the safe pick and i know that it sounds so
Starting point is 01:19:40 backhanded insult to will anderson who's a tremendous player but everyone tells me you want a guy who's going to be a starter who could play 10 years who might be an all pro this is your hit the ball on the fairway here is your standing double you take will anderson if you want to take the big swing you go tyree wilson there is a medical there remember he hurt his foot was not able to play at the pro day was not able to do the combine and missed games at texas tech they've been cleared but that is something people are hesitant of and he doesn't have the career accolades in the competition of Will Anderson the C.J. Stroud one has come full circle I had heard that it just wasn't for the Texans for a while and now as we're 48 hours out it sounds like they might just put the card in and
Starting point is 01:20:19 it's C.J. Stroud and it has been all along the ultimate game of poker the Houston Texans commend them there is a lot of advantages to not giving out your pick when it's second overall. It can hack up the price, the value. It can also keep us all on our toes. I'm grateful for it, and I am humbly telling you I do not know who the Houston Texans are taking.
Starting point is 01:20:37 It was a crazy game of poker. A little OAR. It is. It is. It seems like that this year has that over other years is the unpredictability of it. I see a lot of moves that are going to make teams happy. AJ has something for you, Schrags. Schrags, we see on your mock you have the Titans moving up
Starting point is 01:20:55 and taking C.J. Stroud at three. Do we know if we see the Titans all of a sudden jump up to three, is it guaranteed they're taking C.J. Stroud? I'll give you two places for the Titans, and this is why this is such a fun draft. So their general manager is Rand Carthon, first-year guy. Comes in with Mike Vrabel, who's an Ohio State guy, of course. They say, well, Ohio State, what does that matter?
Starting point is 01:21:18 Ohio State, obviously C.J. Stroud. They went to the pro day. Vrabel and Ryan Day are very tight. Ryan Day did not speak glowingly of the late Dwayne Haskins when he was coming out for the draft. He did not speak in crazy, amazing, hyperbolic terms about Justin Fields when he was coming out for the draft. Ryan Day has been nothing but complimentary
Starting point is 01:21:36 and totally honest and transparent, saying, I don't talk my players up that I don't think are going to be incident. C.J. Stroud has gotten that description. So you think, okay, these guys know each other ohio state the gm of the arizona cardinals is monty austin ford who spent many years working with mike vrabel in tennessee before he took this job in arizona that's an easy phone call to make now if that's not the trade partner let's go to number eight atlanta falcons arthur. He's a great man. And he was with
Starting point is 01:22:07 Mike Vrabel as his offensive coordinator for many years in Tennessee. That's another easy phone call to make. If Stroud isn't the guy and it's Richardson instead, maybe that's the phone call. 11 to 8. And Tennessee moves up and gets Anthony Richardson at 8. But I always look at the draft partners and their history together. And the counter to all this, which, Pat, you'll love this. It's like, yes, Vrabel, Ohio State, go Buckeyes. Stroud, Ohio State, go Buckeyes. All this stuff.
Starting point is 01:22:35 And then Rand Carthon, the new GM of the Titans who works with all that Ohio State, he's a Florida Gator. So take it for what it's worth. He might be Anthony Richardson. So you can only make so much of it as you want. But you try to find the connections of who's worked with who, who knows who. So if Tennessee moves up and you don't hear it happen at three, it might be at eight to go get the other guy.
Starting point is 01:22:54 It might be Anthony Richardson. Now, to be clear, Urban Meyer was also a Florida Gator and an Ohio State Buckeye. But he's always wearing that whistle during the OHIO games. You know what I mean? So I think Ohio might have a chance. C.J. Stroud being the consensus number two overall pick, and then wherever he ends up going from this last couple-month period here
Starting point is 01:23:13 is going to be a fascinating story as we go on. Others, crazy potential situations brewing. Connor has something for you, Shrake. Yeah, Shrake, the last time you were on, you said, you know what, I don't care where you hear it from, if it's from Reddit, if you get something from a deli shop and it's about the draft, you have to take it into consideration. Yesterday there was a rumor about the Patriots possibly moving up,
Starting point is 01:23:34 trading with the Texans to get two, and then Rich Eisen, who was on the last hour, also mentioned Belichick being in the mix. Is that something you are also hearing, or is this a Reddit rumor that we can kind of just cross off the board you never cross off any rumors and you leave them all and the thing with the patriots it feels like the tone has changed a little bit where you know brady and belichick it was success trust the process trust the process brady leaves they had success with mac jones and max first year and it was like all right belichick i could tell you that the last year has
Starting point is 01:24:03 been has been one of they're not thrilled with in New England. Not only Belichick, but Robert Kraft as well. That's not the product they want to put on air. So I think I would not be shocked. I would not be shocked if they were aggressive and trying to make a move to get their guy. I've not heard Levis. Now, remember, Levis is from Madison, Connecticut, right down the road.
Starting point is 01:24:22 Grew up a diehard Patriots fan. Has Brady – what are they called? Fatheads, the old commercial for the Fatheads. Brady Fatheads in his childhood bedroom. Oh, great. Is a huge, like, you know, northeast of Connecticut, Massachusetts guy. The name that I've heard for them is Zay Flowers. If they stay at 14, that's a possibility.
Starting point is 01:24:41 And I also hear they like Lucas Van Ness, who is a pass rusher out of Iowa. But I don't think this is the year that they just take an offensive guard out of small school, drop to us. University of Chattanooga. Big school. Well, I wasn't even knocking Cole Strange. I was just saying in general, year after year, whether it's the kid, you know, out of Lenore Ryan, and you're like, wow, okay, they really went there
Starting point is 01:25:01 and they did that. This is going to be someone that's making an impact next year right away. Trey, you're an Emmy winner. You know this. As soon as you say, I didn't want to make that a shot at Cole Strange, it's like, oh, now you just – Boom. Shot at Cole Strange.
Starting point is 01:25:12 Massive shot at Cole Strange. What a wild move. I mean, and also like Bill Belichick having his dog announce picks, Husky. Sitting there, Nike out there, the Nike Husky or whatever, sitting out there doing his thing and just casually having a little bit of this, skipping the combine, going to other workouts. Like the way the greatest coach and greatest GM of all time, my opinion, we can argue if you want,
Starting point is 01:25:32 he was the GM and he was the head coach of the greatest dynasty of all time. I think you can give him both titles, but that's up for full conversation later. The way he handles the draft versus how everybody else seemingly handles it is an interesting dynamic. Because I think everybody understands it's in the football
Starting point is 01:25:47 world. There's a good chance these guys are going to suck, Shranks. There's a good chance these guys you know what I mean? The amount of guys that get drafted into a facility and then are gone a lot. That's a lot more often than the other way around. But there's a chance
Starting point is 01:26:03 a new Hall of Famer joins a team and a new game changer and a city changer and a trailblazer joins a team. So the draft is such a magical thing. D-Bud has a question for you, Schrags. It's a crap shoot. Schrags, I want to ask you about these corners. I see you got Witherspoon at the top.
Starting point is 01:26:18 You know, you ask around. I think, Pat, who's your number one? Forbes? Well, yeah, I would go with Forbes because when you look at tape, he's an absolute dog. I agree with you. He's just underweight. Is that the 166-pound guy?
Starting point is 01:26:30 Yeah, out of Mississippi State. So you got Witherspoon. He's got Forbes. I got Gonzalez up top. When you talk to these teams, is there a consensus one when it comes to the cornerbacks? There isn't. You know, between Witherspoon and Forbes,
Starting point is 01:26:42 you have two guys who are not your prototypical corner, first-round blue-chip size. Weatherspoon comes in here. He didn't start playing football until his junior year of high school. Forbes is 170 pounds, and I love it. I talked to him. He was on Good Morning Football, and I'm like, all right. Everyone's asking me. I've been 170 pounds for the last several years. I'm the hardest hitter in the SEC West. I did what I did. I had the most pick sixes of all time. His confidence and his complete lack of embarrassment over his size is refreshing. I am 166 pounds. So what? Go look at the tape. And I'm like, I love that.
Starting point is 01:27:18 Gonzalez is a more prototypical build where he comes in and he's this long, rangy athlete with a track uh family where his two sisters are like olympic track athletes and it's more what you get prototypical um and then there's two other names that i think are gonna be really interesting to watch deontay banks out of maryland i think he's a first round pick and then one that that i know it can go anywhere from i don't know teens to the end of the first round. I have no idea where to put Joey Porter Jr., who's obviously Joey Porter's son. And he's got this really long build, but doesn't have the production.
Starting point is 01:27:52 Like, had one interception as a college player at Penn State. And on film, it's like, well, they didn't throw at him a lot. Interesting to see where he goes. I think he's projected to go first round. We'll see who and what the order is. But I think you guys nailed those three. And obviously, with you and Pac there, there, I'm fascinated to think your thoughts up. To all the GMs, I
Starting point is 01:28:09 weigh literally 175 pounds. I snuck a weight in my pocket at West Virginia. I end up being 181. I've fucking never been over 182. Different game, though. It's a bigger game now. It's a finesse game. Now's a bigger game now. It's a finesse game.
Starting point is 01:28:25 Now it's bigger, stronger. It's really finesse. This is a soft game right now. No, it's a harder game now than it's ever been. Soft. Vanilla cupcake. If you can play, you can play. They come in all shapes and sizes, obviously. I would go with Gonzalez.
Starting point is 01:28:42 Antoine Winfield. Winfield, but Gonzalez, his ball skills, the size, the speed. I would go with Gonzalez. You know, I like to talk about the field. Yep, Winfield. But Gonzalez, his ball skills, the size, the speed, I would go with him. But I love with a spot at Illinois, too. You're talking about the guy that's undersized saying, I've been this my whole life. Bryce Young said, I can't grow. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:28:56 What do you want from me? I can't grow. I don't know. That's just Bryce Young, number one overall. That's just what he is. And then you just said Will Levis. I think you have him going to the Colts. Some other people have him coming to the Colts.
Starting point is 01:29:11 What is the quarterback shape-up going to be? Anthony Richardson, where is he going to go? Is he going to be a first-rounder from what you think? And how is that whole thing pan out? Yeah, I think eight is a real spot. If Richardson is on the board at eight, I'd say watch Tennessee to maybe jump up to eight. Hey, so Tennessee, your intel is telling you
Starting point is 01:29:26 Tennessee is getting a quarterback tonight. I would think so. And if they don't, they might trade back. Like, they only have six picks on the night. And I think that they have a lot of needs, right? So I know, I can tell you this, whether it's trade up or trade back, I know that they've been on the phones
Starting point is 01:29:40 and I speak to all the teams and it's, oh yeah, we spoke to Tennessee. They were just inquiring what we were looking to do tonight. So they could be active, but you know what? Every team been on the phones and I speak to all the teams and it's, oh yeah, we spoke to Tennessee. They were just inquiring what we were looking to do tonight. So they could be active, but you know what? Every team's on the phones and they're trying to hammer out scenarios. So we'll see. I just look at the situation. Tannehill obviously has some time left on there, but he didn't finish the season for him last year. The contract speaks to at the end of this year, there's a way to get out of that. And then you start thinking, all right, this is a good quarterback draft. end of this year there's a way to get out of that and then you start thinking all right this is a good quarterback draft we hand the torch off and i think all those teams whether it be geno smith
Starting point is 01:30:09 in seattle where this is a good opportunity for them to maybe put the guy in place for who they hand the torch to or you talk tennessee or you go you know right down the list of minnesota where it's like kirk cousins has one more year left on his contract, making $35 million and his contract expires. Do they at 23, try to get creative and try to see if they can move up at Richardson falls and get a quarterback. They can hand it off to each one of those teams as an interesting quarterback situation.
Starting point is 01:30:35 So you look at those with the guy who's there. So maybe Richardson doesn't have to play right away or hooker. The guy who doesn't have to play right away, can red shirt for a year. And then you pass the torch off. We are big Hooker fans. Feels like everybody, every fan base that needs a quarterback has gotten to the point where they're like,
Starting point is 01:30:50 if we get in on Hooker, we're happy about it. Hooker is like a baby-faced pick everywhere at this point, and I think it's because he hasn't been a part of the conversation, even though we all believe he should be. He's tall. Can I make two points on him that you like? Stropping lot. He's a stropping lot.
Starting point is 01:31:04 Two points on Hooker. One of them, the senior bowl, Jim Nagy, I spoke with their director, and he's really plugged in with these guys. He's never invited a player with an injury coming into the senior bowl ever in the history of the senior bowl. He invited Hendon Hooker, who already had the torn ACL, and said, just so you can meet with teams. Hooker came, showed up, and absolutely used those four days
Starting point is 01:31:23 to basically do a job interview with the rest of the league and show that he can get on the board. Could not practice. Comes to Mobile, Alabama for four days and says, just get me in front of any evaluator you want. I'll talk to him. Second point is he's 25 years old. He's going to be 26.
Starting point is 01:31:37 And that's viewed as a knock for a lot of people. I spoke to a really, really trusted source in the NFL, and he said, throw the age thing out. The great quarterbacks in the NFL now, they play till they're 33, 34, 35. If this guy's got it, no one's worried about what happens and where his game goes in three years. This isn't a running back being run to the ground. This is a quarterback. And you would hope that your starting quarterback you draft in the first round is going to play 10 years. Well, if he plays 10 years, he's 36, which is basically what Staff and matt ryan and all these guys played to who were drafted in the first round so the age thing not as big a
Starting point is 01:32:09 factor as the knee obviously and then the other part is the offense that he ran it wasn't exactly a pro style offense it was more of that air raid type which obviously he can learn he can pick it up it'll take time but it's not like it's just plug and play for him anyway somebody far yeah y'all blow him up, but I'm going to let y'all have it. You don't like Hooker? No, I don't like Hooker. I'm saying I like Hooker for this class, but if we was talking real quarterbacks, we wouldn't be talking Hooker
Starting point is 01:32:34 in the first fucking thing, bro. So you're telling me this is what you would go out of all of these picks? I would take him to Hooker over Will Levis. Healthy? Me too. If he was healthy, especially. No offense, Will Levis. If you're a Colt, love you. Even though I heard you had a Tom Brady poster
Starting point is 01:32:50 in your house. It only makes sense. That hat! That wall sticker, there it is. That'll help the Colts win, though, if they can have a little bit of a Brady descendant. But I like him in hook, personally. He's big, dude. He's a big guy. And he beat Bama. He'd run? Yeah, he'd run. You watch him on the Manning thing?
Starting point is 01:33:07 With Archie? Yeah, the road to the draft. Yeah, watch him. It was something that stood out. We all been there when somebody's mic'd up or something in practice and everybody gets to rah-rah shit, but he had one of those conversations with one of his big linemen where one of the coaches was saying something to the lineman and the lineman was saying something back
Starting point is 01:33:23 and he kind of put him to the side like, hey, just tell him yes, sir, move on. You're not going to win that battle out here. And that's something you've got to learn as a player, especially when you're 25 years old. Yeah, so that would show that veteran leadership. So just seeing that, obviously he was a great player. Obviously Peyton loved him because he was a Tennessee guy.
Starting point is 01:33:39 He was on his way to winning the Heisman if he didn't get hurt in South Carolina. So I think he's a smart kid. Bro, they took the goalpost out of the stadium, down to the river, because of what Hannon Hooker did. I'm a massive fan of his. Go ahead, AJ. Schrags, we're talking about everything, all the volatility in the top 10,
Starting point is 01:33:56 15 picks. Is there anything in the second half of this first round, any team you think that's likely to jump up there and really surprise some people? I think there's actually a really interesting player in this draft who we didn't give a lot of buzz to. It's a wide receiver at a USC, Jordan Addison. And why do I say Jordan Addison?
Starting point is 01:34:11 Because there are three elite wide receivers in this draft. These are the ones that we're getting right now. And it's Zay Flowers is viewed that way. Smith and Jigbo is viewed that way. And then Addison is viewed that way. It's those three. And then there's a bit of a, I'd say, say dotted line for most teams and there's a couple other guys whether it be a Jalen Hyatt or whether it be a Quinton Johnson and I'm sure I'm missing another one who's on that list but
Starting point is 01:34:35 those three guys so if you're wide receiver hungry and you want that wide receiver and Zay Flowers is gone and the other cat Smith and J Jigba is gone. There might be a bit of a run and teams might be looking to trade up to get Jordan Addison. I would say don't be shocked if there is a squad who leaps another squad and says, hey, we're in the 20s or we're in the late teens, but we need to get one of those receivers to get one of them. The other position is wide receiver, is tight end. The two tight ends, Mayer and and kincaid are both very different players mayor is more i was given a heath miller conversation is that a notre dame big guy can block but can also catch and then you get the more 2023 tight end in in uh in kincaid who's more of the again he's not travis kelsey but but the Kelsey type where he's almost like a wide receiver.
Starting point is 01:35:26 If one of those guys is off the board and, you know, again, there's a drop-off after those two, you might see a team trade up to get the other tight end. I think those two players, Addison and Kincaid, are interesting to see if someone will trade up to go get them. Hell yeah. I can't wait to watch. There's going to be magic.
Starting point is 01:35:40 We assume you're going to win the mock drafters competition again, yet again this year. We're proud of you, buddy. Can I tell you what I do? You're going to be magic we assume you're going to win the mock drafters competition yeah again yet again this year we're proud of you buddy can i tell you what i do you're going to appreciate this oh yeah i and i urge everyone now look you could put you guys on the stream but while you guys are doing this stream i want you to do this turn twitter off tonight turn twitter up you don't want this the pic spoiled this is going to be the most most surprising no the most unpredictable most bat bleep crazy draft why have some guy and i don't blame the reporters but why have one of the reporters on twitter be like actually the jets are taking this guy where there's three minutes up on the clock just have a natural reaction pretend like it's 20 it's 2004 pretend like it's
Starting point is 01:36:21 1995 there's no bleeping way you know what what I mean? Twitter. Turn off the Twitter. Enjoy it. It's reality TV. We're actually live on the internet, though. We are. We have to be. You don't need Twitter, though. You can watch it still. Yeah, we get very surprised on Twitter. No matter what. Sometimes it's like, whoa!
Starting point is 01:36:40 Look at that tweet! There's a lot of that. We know a lot of people. We'll give text messages, phone calls. You get those as well, don't you? I assume you get told every single pick. You told us this last year. Yeah, well, look, the agents and the teams know before the pick's announced, and usually I'm on some thread where I'll be giving the tip.
Starting point is 01:36:58 But I take no great joy in spoiling that for everyone. This is the draft. This is what we want. We want to be shocked. It's one of the few things left in the NFL that truly can blow us away. I'm going to say this. Turn off the Twitter tonight, guys. All right. Sounds good. We're not
Starting point is 01:37:11 going to do that. I got a blue check. I'm verified, baby. I was about to say, I didn't pay eight bucks to turn off Twitter on draft night. No way. I bought that crap. This is when Twitter... Yeah, absolutely. We live on there. I mean, you have to.
Starting point is 01:37:27 If this is going to keep this thing going, whatever the fuck you got to do. We appreciate you so much. Congrats on all the success. You're the man. You're live what, next two days, right? Yeah, and I'm on the nighttime tomorrow night, and then I'm also all day I'm on the main stage with Daniel Jeremiah and Eisen and Charles Davis on NFL Network.
Starting point is 01:37:44 Hey, here we go. You're going to crush it, ladies and Charles Davis on NFL Network. Hey, here we go. You're going to crush it, ladies and gentlemen. Shranks. Yeah, Shranks. All right. He gave us that same speech last year. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, but are we good?
Starting point is 01:37:55 Not to us. It was to like, let's not tip picks. We can all tip picks. Everyone can do it. Everybody knows who's picking who. Okay, before everybody else, let's just enjoy it. Seems like that's like a senior insider thing because Ari Mirov goes, yeah, we do all know.
Starting point is 01:38:08 Yeah, cool. Send. Wait, this shows on the internet, right? Like his show is on TV. ESPN show is on TV. This show is on the internet. So if the report's on the internet, we have to cover it. Which has gotten us into some trouble. It has.
Starting point is 01:38:23 It has. A lot of internet reports do. Yeah, it certainly has. We're currently entangled right now. It's not entanglement. It's more like... But it's close to it. It's a judicial... Judicialment? If you want to call in on this Draft Spectacular Day, DSD, April 27, 2023,
Starting point is 01:38:39 you can call the 5RNG phone line 1-833-432-3663 or easier to remember 1-833-432-3663. Or easier to remember, 1-833-4-DA-DOME. You going to call in, AJ? I don't know. How is Will Smith doing? You mentioned entanglement, honestly. Is he doing any movies?
Starting point is 01:38:56 Allegedly, he was not happy about Chris Rock's thing. Allegedly, that was a report I seen on the internet. Not happy at all. And he still, I believe, has that 10-year ban from the Academy Awards. But he won an award same night. Post-incident pre-ban.
Starting point is 01:39:13 So did something in a game, went on to win the game, then wasn't allowed to go back to the game for 10 years. Exactly. Got it. That really, I think he actually... AJ, you still a Will Smith fan? Who? Me? Will, I don't know, I think you have to. AJ, you still a Will Smith fan? Who? Me? Will, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:39:30 I came up with Fresh Prince. So did I. But after the shit went on, I was like, fuck this. I'm done with this. You're right, Pac. You're right. You moved on. I'm definitely not a Will. I'm just sorry.
Starting point is 01:39:38 And I used to be the biggest fan, but. Well said. What's your problem? He's good on Instagram. You see his Instagram. He's good for us in the community. Like, come on, bro. You can't. I don't know. They canceled her Red Table talk, too. That's over? He's good on Instagram. You see his Instagram. He's doing it up for us in the community. Come on, bro. You can't.
Starting point is 01:39:46 I don't know. They canceled her Red Table talk, too. That's over. That's done. Okay. That actually makes me like Will. Yeah, that's a win. He didn't.
Starting point is 01:39:53 It was meta. That show was ruining. Zuck. Meta world peace. Zuck did that? Zuck took it down. What's he up to? Zuck?
Starting point is 01:40:01 He's got a new Oculus. He updated Instagram, too. He needs to fix the picture of sizes on Instagram. Speaking of Instagram, holy shit, we have an influencer on the screen. AJ Hawk has posted on his Instagram.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Ladies and gentlemen, his annual post, his annual time of being an internet influencer has come. It is DSD and he posts the picture promoting this evening. We appreciate you doing that for us, AJ. Thank you, AJ. No problem.
Starting point is 01:40:33 94,000 followers, three years, three posts. All the draft. Spectacular. Now it's kind of getting to the point where we have to wonder, is AJ kind of sabotaging us because the biggest shows happen when AJ Hawk promotes him on his Instagram. He is the biggest influencer we have ever worked with. That's right.
Starting point is 01:40:53 Whenever he puts a post up about something, it's the biggest we got. 100,000-plus viewers guaranteed. I think you even quote tweeted the Aaron Rodgers promotional one with the praying hands, didn't you? Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Should I buy Twitter? Should I buy the check mark? Mine's that uh maybe yeah i don't know should i buy should i buy twitter should i buy the check mark mine's gone yeah you don't do anything on there
Starting point is 01:41:09 so probably not you know but what does it does it give me i can edit you i can't edit tweets unless i have it yeah editing tweets longer videos analytics media studio i mean there's maybe a lot of weapons if you were to actually edit if i do tweet i do like the option to be able to edit if i'm not something two Two-factor authentication? Yeah, that's so people can't just jack in their shit. I mean, there's... I hate two-factor. Why? You don't like the text? You can't just take the text with a code? Well, if they ask me
Starting point is 01:41:34 to set up two-factor, I'm not setting that up. I got too many passwords already and everything. No, but it's just a code that goes to your phone, and if you have a smartphone, it actually goes, is this the code from your messages? I get codes all the time, though, from my kids' iPads trying to get phone and if you have a smartphone it actually goes is this the code from your messages right at the bottom i get codes all the time though for my kids ipads trying to get stuff i get like a thousand codes a day i can't you can't handle all the codes aj's not up for the codes maybe don't sign up for the blue then don't sign up for the blue i think i might
Starting point is 01:41:56 more codes more codes on the way careful we'll see i thought you were carrying the current codes for the nuclear football for our current chief and staff. Part of it. Me? Yeah. Yeah. For Mr. Joe Biden, though? Because I would never do that. President Joe Biden.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Yeah, president. Your good friend reached that. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Nicholas in Buffalo on the 5RNG phone line. What's going on, Nicholas? Hey, boys. Hey, boys. Hey, boys. How are you doing?
Starting point is 01:42:26 Keep it moving. Hell yeah. Good energy. I like it. Thanks, boys. Thanks, boys. So I'm here. Off to day of work for the whole day to enjoy the Pat McAfee show.
Starting point is 01:42:36 Draft spectacular. And how do we feel, boys, about any big moves coming for D-Hop from the Bills tonight? Oh, we had some strong possibilities that we have heard from sources. Strong. But we would assume that that move would take place. There's a lot of lingering moves kind of out there that we all assume the draft picks will be involved in. DeHop being one of them.
Starting point is 01:42:58 This is kind of a deadline for a lot of teams. We do not know what's going to happen, but we maybe have a little bit of an update. No update? Well, sources says what's going to happen, but we maybe have a little bit of an update. No update? Well, sources says something's going to happen today. Okay. Something's going to happen today. Hmm. KC,
Starting point is 01:43:14 maybe Bills, maybe Ravens. Oh! Something's going to happen today. So listen, I know that we've seen Lamar Jackson spongebob Squarepants small. That's right. Lifting his face all the way up to the top of his head.
Starting point is 01:43:29 Did you see that, AJ? Yeah, we talked about it on the show. Yeah, but what does it mean? Just sighted it. I haven't seen it, though. It means he's pumped, dude. Yeah. Looks like he's sighted. What's he pumped about? Does he have a deal?
Starting point is 01:43:40 Exactly. Could be. He's blushing at the emoji, though, so you got to take that in. If Lamar Jackson signs a $180 million guaranteed deal and he just puts out a SpongeBob SquarePants emoji for it or a gift for it, I think we would all say that's Lamar Jackson. That's awesome. Yeah, that's cool. That's how he went about doing it.
Starting point is 01:43:55 So maybe that. Maybe they got D-Hop, though. Exactly. Maybe they may play for D-Hop. Maybe what the Baltimore Ravens have done this offseason by signing Odell Beckham Jr. to $15 million guaranteed. That'll be Odell. Odell.
Starting point is 01:44:07 Hey, baby. And they bring in DeHop. Maybe it is just Lamar Jackson being pumped up about, okay, now I'm going to actually have weapons to throw the ball. Everybody says I can't throw the ball except for to my tight end. Well, my tight end's the only fucking guy I got. What are we even doing here? And if he plays on a franchise tag, it's what, $32 million or something like that?
Starting point is 01:44:23 He's potentially going to be a free agent and get to re-up next year. I don't know if he's already made that decision in his mind, or maybe he did get a long deal. But if it is bringing in another weapon, Lamar seemingly could be overjoyed that he put a gif out of SpongeBob SquarePants smiling. And I think that's good news if you're a Ravens fan, because we keep talking about the AFC being deep, deep, deep. Everybody says, oh, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Bengals.
Starting point is 01:44:45 That's what everybody talks about. The Baltimore Ravens with Lamar Jackson have won a playoff game in the last couple of years. They have the chance to be great. They've lost a lot of people. If you're a Ravens fan, it seems like everything's going to shit. The Odell Beckham Jr. sign was a little bit of hope. Lamar Jackson tweeting a gif out, a little bit of hope.
Starting point is 01:45:00 Maybe there'll be a team that'll be something to really fuck with when a season comes around, AJ. Yeah, I mean, if you're a Ravens fan right right now you can't feel great with the whole lamar situation but that could change very quickly if somehow we hear in the next few days or next week that lamar signs and if they make a trade for d hop possibly tonight yeah then things are looking pretty good for baltimore then all of a sudden you have a team now this bookum i was told was because of devvin Booker. A lot of people on the internet told me that we were being dramatic. He was re-watching the game at 12 o'clock the next day.
Starting point is 01:45:32 Now listen, I'm just telling you that that's what I was attacked. I was assaulted. I will say the Spongebob gif came out right when Trey Young hit that big shot to win the game. So it might not even be about the Ravens. Right.
Starting point is 01:45:46 Maybe it's about the ice cold. Oh, because Lamar, is Lamar from? That was a hell of a shot. No, he's not. He's from Florida, right? Dude, Trey Young, dog, bro. Yeah. Trey Young in Madison Square Garden, remember that?
Starting point is 01:45:57 That old thing? That guy spit on him. Trey Young became a heel. He was in their city. Fuck you. All of them. And balling. Then in Boston the other night, step back three as time's running out.
Starting point is 01:46:07 Dagger right in Boston's faces. That dude's a dog, bro. Yeah, I'd say. Jimmy Butler, what he's doing. Like, I've enjoyed this year's NBA playoffs more than I can remember. Like, in the past. Like, the last five, ten years, I don't remember enjoying it as much as I have this year. Concur.
Starting point is 01:46:22 Shout out to Austin Reeves losing last night, but scoring more than 15 and a half. Boom. That was incredible. We saw him hit 18 straight threes on the internet yesterday, and then I immediately go to see what his over-under is. 15 and a half. That's going to go over. I'll take that.
Starting point is 01:46:39 It seems like the optics in the Memphis building were not a thing that he was struggling with. He was splashing these balls. And he's a dog. How about the no-look alley-oop to LeBron? Unreal. Up over his head. They're a real good tag team there.
Starting point is 01:46:52 Yeah, I mean, I think he had like five and five, too. He does it all for the Lakers. He's unbelievable. Now, they lost, but I heard the commentator saying that Anthony Davis lacks confidence a little bit. Did you hear that? Yeah, I felt that way. He also played his best game that he's had this series, i don't know why no they weren't talking they were talking about him in the past like when he doesn't play games like he really when he's not playing good
Starting point is 01:47:11 like for a long period of time there like he's very very very very hard on himself they say like this guy like beats the hell out of himself like so i think people potentially think he doesn't care they're saying complete opposite this This guy is like, he gets down on himself whenever he's not playing great. So it's like, if he starts playing, that's good news, I think, if you're a Lakers fan, because if he starts playing good, it can go the other way, too.
Starting point is 01:47:33 That ain't good news. You got to show up and fucking be a dog every night. I mean, you're going to have a black man. Getting 100 million. Yeah, come out there, you go 37 and 20, you'll drop 40, and then he'll disappear, like, for two games. Like, you can't do that, especially on this stage.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Him and Bron haven't been able to put one together yet. Listen, if we're looking for somebody not to ride the ebbs and flows, just like this, certainly. If we are crafting somebody, hey, let's not get too high. Let's not get too low on this thing. Let's do this. But with the way he is, allegedly, now this is what the commentators said, once you get hot, you would think, here we go. Start rolling.
Starting point is 01:48:06 I think he's hot right now. The game before this, but he's played at the top level since we started playoffs. I'm saying we, like I'm fucking playing on the Lakers. Yeah, we are playing against the number two seed, which no one thought that the Lakers would be in the fucking predicament that they
Starting point is 01:48:22 are in now, midway through the season. So, like, let's stay on the Lakers train because I think fucking predicament that they are in now midway through the season. So like let's stay on the Lakers train because I think that's going to pan out and we'll be playing the Warriors. Nah, Phoenix Suns are going to be tough. Warriors are too. What's that? Suns ain't making it out of the West. Excuse me, I'm on the team. You need to
Starting point is 01:48:39 have you been in a meeting with them? Have you been in a team timeout? You have not. But who do you like to work with? Warriors. Warriors. I don't see the Warriors. Is that who you like too, AJ? Yes, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:48:51 All right, sweet. I got the Suns. Thank you. You've written for your hometown. I like hometown. I got the Lakers. You got the Lakers. Lake Show.
Starting point is 01:48:57 All right. Give me the Nuggets. Who's with Nuggets? No, I'm actually, I think the Suns. Oh, okay. Oh, you're on the Suns as well. I do like the Nuggets? No, I'm actually, I think the Suns. Oh, you're on the Suns as well. I do like the Nuggets too. It's a shame.
Starting point is 01:49:08 I know. It's a shame the Nuggets and Suns are playing each other because both of those teams would beat either the Lakers or Warriors. If it were to coulda, shoulda. It's like saying the Hawks. Listen. The game-winning bucket. They're going to win this year.
Starting point is 01:49:22 The bucket Hawks are not going to win this year. We're being such a mark for LeBron, okay? I commit it. I commit it. I love him. All right, let's get to our break. Connor, who you got out of the West? I'm taking the Warriors.
Starting point is 01:49:32 We said this when they were down 0-2. Why would you not take the Warriors to win it all? They play for more points than you do. Yeah, they shoot more of the more point shots than the team you play for. And they make them. The highest rate ever. Of all time. In a game where you need points. They're
Starting point is 01:49:53 shooting for more points. Yeah. Clay's been killing it too. Yes. Looney fucking grabbing 20 boards at night. I saw Draymond hit it the other night when he came off the bench and started the game. Yeah, Draymond was scoring. He's flying around. He's going to the hoop, man. 12-8-5. Bringing and started the game. Yeah, Draymond's scoring. He's flying around. Draymond's going to the hoop, man. 12-8-5. All right.
Starting point is 01:50:07 Bringing the ball up. I love watching him bring the ball up. He's flying always. Bro, look at us. People say we don't have any depth. Are you kidding me? What's that about? We just did basketball.
Starting point is 01:50:15 Yeah. Holy shit. On DSD? DSD. We did NBA? Hello. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, move the sticks, Daniel Jeremiah.
Starting point is 01:50:26 Yeah, DJ. What's up, dude? What's up, boys? How are we doing? We ready for this thing tonight? I think so. Are you ready? I mean, we're kind of all following your lead, pal.
Starting point is 01:50:35 Your mock, the one you put out today, is one that all of us said, if that was to happen, tonight would be absurd. You have the Houston Texans taking C.J. Stroud at two, which is like two months ago thought. So many different fake potential storylines have come and gone since then about the number two overall pick. Then you have them actually being the team that trades with the Arizona Cardinals to pick up the third overall pick and take Will Anderson,
Starting point is 01:50:58 who's been one of the storylines for who Houston likes because D'Amico Ryans is an Alabama guy, and he wants to build around a defender, so they get their quarterback and Will Anderson, and then Will Levis to the Colts. That would be massive if that was to happen. Why are you thinking this is the case, and thank you for putting this out into
Starting point is 01:51:16 the universe. Well, look, I wouldn't take that to the bank anytime soon, Pat, but I would just say when you talk to folks about the Texans, Nick Cicero doesn't talk to anybody. So there's a lot of chatter out there, but I don't think it's coming from the one person who really matters.
Starting point is 01:51:32 So we're all guessing. But the expectation is if it's a quarterback, it's Stroud, or it's looking like Will Anderson is the defensive player they would choose over Tyree Wilson. So I just kind of fudged it and said, that's fine. I'll give them both of them. Make the trade up there to three. Arizona's told everybody with years they want to over Tyree Wilson. So I just kind of fudged it and said, that's fine. I'll give them both of them. Make the trade up there to three. Arizona's told everybody with years they want to get out of there.
Starting point is 01:51:50 So I thought it was a way to kind of have your cake and eat it too. Yeah, it would be amazing for Houston. Go ahead, AJ. You have Bijan Robinson there at eight. How likely do you think that in the case of Atlanta would take him that high? Well, nothing's really likely in this one, AJ. I mean, there's so much up in the air. But I think when you have a draft with so much uncertainty
Starting point is 01:52:10 and so many guys that aren't clean in terms of, like, height, weight, speed, or, you know, experience level in some cases, there's not a lot of real clean prospects. So Bijan's one of those guys. And if you're a young team in Atlanta and you're looking for kind of a centerpiece to build around, I like Kyle Pitts. I like Drake London. Now all of a sudden you get this guy in the mix. Desmond Ritter's going to have some real help there.
Starting point is 01:52:35 They've got a couple other decent backs as well. But with this guy, you can put him in the slot. You can do a lot of different things with him. I think he's like the reverse Debo. If Debo's a majors in wide receiver and minors in running back, this guy's going to major in running back, and he can minor in receiver. Yeah, this is Cordero Patterson. Artie Smith already proved that he can have success with this type of player. No doubt. And Bijan told us literally just yesterday from a Verizon store in Kansas City. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:00 Hell yeah. Verizon powering tonight's draft spectacular. Here we go. Largest 5G network in America. He told us the teams have been talking to him about being a weapon pretty much. Like, hey, what I can do with my hands, what I can do that. That's like the overall thought as opposed to just running back per se. If he goes to Atlanta, we would love to watch that entire thing.
Starting point is 01:53:18 Something on your draft board, on your mock draft that others had you did not have. Connor has something for you. Yeah, DJ, we just talked to Schrager, he is seems pretty positive that the titans are going to trade up to try and get either anthony richardson or a different quarterback do you see that being the case in any scenarios i know your last mock didn't have it and if not the titans do you see other teams trying to get into that top 10 or even guys in the top 10 like the raiders that have been thrown out trading up to possibly get a future QB? Yeah, I mean, the Titans have made phone calls.
Starting point is 01:53:48 And, you know, there's been a lot of stuff out there about how they've checked in with sources at Ohio State in the last couple days. And Pete's always got great information. I love working with him. So I don't refute that as a possibility at all. You know, even though I'm one who put a trade an aggressive trade in my mock draft if you go back and look the last time we saw one of those were a team that was picking you know tenor or beyond that came up pretty significantly you got to go back to the sammy watkins trade i think was
Starting point is 01:54:18 2014 when buffalo went from i think nine to three the only other one we've had in the top 10 up there you know towards the top was the Trubisky one in 17, and that was just moving one spot. So a lot of times those things got to be worked out ahead of time. So who knows? The draft didn't start for a little bit here. Maybe there's something coming. But, you know, they have been identified as a team
Starting point is 01:54:38 that's interested in a quarterback. There's been a couple of big-time trades that have happened over the last couple years that nobody really seemingly knew about. The A.J. Brown one came out of nowhere in R.A. and the Vrabel reaction to that almost felt like, oh, this GM and Vrabel are not going to be working together for much longer, and they're not. Brand new GM down there, and they got
Starting point is 01:54:54 that whole thing figured out. Then Hollywood Brown going over to Arizona from Baltimore out of nowhere. Nobody knew that at all. It seems like there's some moves that get kept really tight. Like you said with Nick, it feels like Carolina's been that way too, even though everybody just assumes it's going to be Bryce Young automatically. AQ Shipley has a question for you.
Starting point is 01:55:12 Move the sticks. It doesn't seem like there's any clear-cut offensive linemen this year in terms of where you – you have Paris – or is that who it is? Paris Johnson. Paris Johnson. You have him as going to the Cardinals. But Skowronski forever was there, but obviously some measurables are knocking that. Do you have anyone as the number one, or are you just going based on team needs?
Starting point is 01:55:32 Well, to me, I still think Skowronski is the best one. And AQ, as we know, arm length isn't everything. Say that again, huh? Come on now. Arm length is not everything. He's the best player. But to me, there's a lot of heat. There's a lot of buzz on Paris being the first one.
Starting point is 01:55:49 That was the one feedback I've got from GMs. Trust me, your GM buddies love nothing more than to bust your chops after you put a mock draft out. And the one piece of feedback was, look, I'm with you. I think this is a good, not great group of top-end offensive linemen. But when you look at the cost of tackles and free agency right now, it's ridiculous. And, you know, rarely are you even going to get one to free agency.
Starting point is 01:56:12 And if you look at the majority of the starters in the league at that position, the majority of them are first-round picks. So even though we might not be in love with these tackles, they're going to get pushed up higher than you think. Who's the guy coming out next year from Ohio State? DeJuan? DeJuan Jones. I think he's out this year. Yeah, he'sJuan Jones. I think he's out this year.
Starting point is 01:56:25 Yeah, he's in this year. Where's he going? He's a giant. I think he'll go in two. I think he'll go in the second round. He is a massive human being. Bro, it would be hard if I needed an offensive lineman. And I know there's a lot of big offensive linemen out there. It'd be hard, just me
Starting point is 01:56:42 as a human, basic human, dumb brain, to meet him and I'll be like, all right, we can teach this guy how to fucking – Teach this guy anything. This guy can move? Can this guy move? Yes, he can move. Okay, does he have good form?
Starting point is 01:56:54 Yeah. Okay, let's get this guy. Let's do that. I assume that's not the exact way to go about doing things, and I do like the fact that you remembered AQ's measurables pretty much, which is his – who was that, a GM? Was that a GM saying? Yeah, it was.
Starting point is 01:57:09 It was, but I'll call him back later. Who? Which team? Which team? What are they thinking? It was nobody. I've got a bunch of buddies. That was Joe Shane from the Giants.
Starting point is 01:57:18 I'll just check in with Joe in a little bit just to say hi and wish him luck. Not looking for any information from my buddies. Just want to – I always like to get in touch and say good luck tonight. How often does that happen for you? You've been talking to your guys because it's probably tough not to get too much information, release too much. Like for instance, I'm talking to Chris Ballard,
Starting point is 01:57:35 755 tonight, right before the draft kicks off. He's got pick number four. I don't want him to say shit, okay? Because I don't want him to lose any leverage at all. Do you try to get information? Do you stay away from it from it and how many friends you have around the league in like powerful positions i assume a lot it sounds like well you'll love this because uh a little bit ago i was talking to tom and i said hey you want me to say anything to mcafee i'm getting ready to hop on pat he goes no i'm going on his show tonight yeah tom's a lot of course you are yeah so i mean
Starting point is 01:58:03 look i i have a lot of relationships from years going back to when I started in 2003. I never fish for what they're doing. We talk about players. You know, I never put anything they give me in jeopardy, and they're not going to tell me who they're picking anyways. It's more just kind of a vibe, a feel of where certain players might go, what I think, what they think of where players might land,
Starting point is 01:58:24 and we try and steer clear of what they're going to do. This feels like the most open draft thus far. A lot of information. It feels like a lot of people are asking a lot of questions about a lot of things. Everybody kind of confused about a lot of players. Yeah. I mean, Pat, to me, you guys will see it tonight with what you're doing. I mean, what drives interest in the draft is two things.
Starting point is 01:58:41 It's quarterbacks and it's chaos and we've got both. So it's going to be fun man hell yeah i like to hear that tone's got one for you dj yeah dj look at your mark uh you have two things different than a lot of other mocks you have zay flowers going ahead of jackson smith and jigba and then you have kincaid going 13 to the packers which is uh eight picks higher than i think you have michael mayor going uh what were your thoughts on those two? Yeah, I mean, with the Zay Flowers thing, I mean, it was really scientific. It was looking at their depth chart
Starting point is 01:59:10 without talking to anybody and saying, man, the Tennessee Titans are a really slow football team with not a lot of explosive players, so let me find a real fast guy. And then it was like, oh, hold up. Vrabel's kid went to Boston College. Oh, Zay Flowers, there we go. I mean, come on.
Starting point is 01:59:24 That's the connection that you make right there. His kid went to school with, oh, say flowers. There we go. I mean, come on. That's the connection that you make right there. His kid went to school with him, so let's go with that one. And then when you look at Dalton Kincaid, I just think he's the best. I think he's the best tight end. I think he's a weapon. And I think if you're trying to get Jordan Love up and going, this pick will be something to help him. I know they haven't done receivers in the first round.
Starting point is 01:59:41 Jackson Smith and Jigba has been a popular pick there. But there's no easier completion in the NFL than a tight end who can separate. And that's what Dalton Kincaid does. Bro, there's guys 6'8 up for drafts tonight. I mean, there is – there's some weapons out there, I think. Teams are going to get better tonight out of nowhere. And then there's going to be some picks that we have no idea who the person is. Speaking of, D-Buck, I got a question for you, DJ.
Starting point is 02:00:03 Let's go, DJ. I know you've been in that war room before. Two questions, actually. Who would you take in the morning corner off the board if it was your choice? And then secondly, Brian Branch. I know the safety position has kind of been devalued over the last few years,
Starting point is 02:00:16 but is he for sure coming off the board in the first round tonight? Yeah, those are good ones. To me, Devin Witherspoon, start to finish. I just, from the first tape that I popped on, I fell in love with this dude. Like, and it's obviously different positions. I'm not comparing anybody to a Hall of Famer. But in Baltimore with Ed, like, Ed didn't play with Ed didn't play with the pause button on his controller. Like he he had such faith and confidence in his eyes that he just went he played so fast. And this kid does the same thing. I can, I mean, I knew before talking to the coaches and it got confirmed, but I'm like, this dude must study like crazy. And they're like, Oh yeah, he's obsessed with it. Like he's absolutely obsessed with it. So to me, like the feistiness, the competitiveness,
Starting point is 02:00:56 the toughness at the corner position is always undervalued. And that dude has it in spades. So I loved everything about him. He was my top corner. And then with branch, you know, you see it every year with some of these guys. And it's like with safeties and he's, you know, I think he's the best nickel in the draft, but has that versatility to kick back and play safety. And it's like, dude, if you're a 4-5-2 safety, but you've got good eyes, you're going to play so much faster than a 4-4-2 safety with bad eyes. That's why I put him in that classification.
Starting point is 02:01:25 AJ, what do you think about Brian Branch? Good player. I think we've hit on him pretty good. Why? Explosive athlete. Very explosive. I think he transitions to the next level very well. I think so, too.
Starting point is 02:01:35 I think he's off the board tonight. I think he's off the board tonight. For sure. Probably. He should be. Maybe number 32 tomorrow. Oh, well, I don't know if he'll go off the board tonight. Oh, really?
Starting point is 02:01:44 I don't think no safety is going off the board. He's got a lot of grit. He's like a nigga. He plays – he's great in space. Discipline, get out the ball. Like, obviously, a saving guy, but – Oh, yeah, he's great at Alabama. Like a Minka, Minka, Buddha mix.
Starting point is 02:01:57 He was great at Alabama. A lot of great Alabama safety. I put him to the Giants because Wink is like the old under Rex. Like, you know, they want guys that can do everything. They can disguise everything they're doing. And this guy's versatility, I think, fits with him. Return guy, too. Oh!
Starting point is 02:02:13 Hey, if you got to trust to put a DB back to return, that's just something about him. Yeah, and Nickel is like the much more – that's on the field all the time. Yeah, for sure. That is his base defense. He's a starter, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's a starter.
Starting point is 02:02:23 That's interesting. I'll be excited to see Brian Branch out there there another alabama guy exactly louise um cj stroud you you have him going second all the smoke about the quarterback thing is it warranted real do you try to stay out of that how do you go about picking where the quarterbacks are going where is it conversations is it media reports is it reddit like what do you how do you go about judging it all uh i mean look there's some some places that have leaky buildings and that is not one of them i mean as they come from if they come from new england they're not talking so there might be a lot of noise around a team or a pick with with houston and that's what the
Starting point is 02:03:00 case is here too um and i believe some of it i don't believe all of it And that's why I just came back to common sense, which is, you know, are you really going to run this back with the group that you have a quarterback? I just don't see that. It doesn't make any sense to me. And that's why I said, okay, they got to take a quarterback. Who's the one? And that's why I just came back to Stroud. Not based off anything you hear.
Starting point is 02:03:20 It was just like at some point in time, don't we have to incorporate some common sense? I hope so. Well, that's what IQ was saying about the arms thing. Yeah, who cares? You can play, right? What did you do? Did you murder him for his arm size, DJ?
Starting point is 02:03:32 Is that what happened? No, but he knows. He didn't have long arms. He was a good player who didn't have long arms. He got dinged for it. So that impacted where he went, and he played forever. What did you say? You said this guy's got tiny little arms, looks like a baby little T-Rex,
Starting point is 02:03:48 Michelin man, and he put a couple of sticks on it for arms. Is that what you said, DJ? I can be honest. I did not have to grade him because I was an area scout at that time, and he was not in my area. But I sat in the draft room as he was discussed, and it was interesting. The guys who went into the school loved him because they got the makeup information and learned all the background and the character stuff and the competitive stuff and the guys who watched him on cross checks and just had
Starting point is 02:04:11 the measurables weren't as high on him so and it speaks to like to me if i look at every offensive lineman i've overgraded i've overvalued athleticism and i've under undergraded toughness and instincts like to me if you get smart, tough, instinctive linemen, they play forever. Just like you. Your new blueprint. They're looking for you. Find you an AQ ship. Is there a mound of man out there?
Starting point is 02:04:36 You know what I mean? That just looks like a mountain that is going to be impossible without leverage. They're finding that out on takedown Tuesdays. Some rich guys basement in Phoenix right now. Preferably a better putter. Preferably a better putter. Did you see me throw today?
Starting point is 02:04:50 DJ, he threw a strike today. Top left. Yeah, it was incredible. I can't say anything. I had a bad showing in that room. Bad showing. Well, you stepped on a line. Well, in the first jumper, you didn't take your jacket off, even though we told you to. I took coaching. I took good coaching. That was bad. That was tough. Hey, you made a shot.
Starting point is 02:05:05 I took coaching. I took good coaching. It was controversial. The make was controversial because your foot was on the line, but the celebration was still real. We were happy for you. You made a shot. That's going to be good.
Starting point is 02:05:15 Hey, we'll watch you all weekend, pal. We can't thank you enough. You guys are the best, man. Let's circle up afterwards and we can talk about how crazy this night was. Hell yeah, let's do that. We'd be honored. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel J.
Starting point is 02:05:27 You made it sound like you had a personal attack from me. No. Did he not? Yeah. I'm a small. Yeah, I don't know. This is what I want to know. Daniel said, I didn't even fuck him.
Starting point is 02:05:39 What are you talking about? I was the area scout. Southeast is too much. I didn't say, what do you want from me? I stood up for you. I just want to know, whenever these scouts, whenever these analysts, when everybody watches tape, why they can't let their eyes just fucking tell the story.
Starting point is 02:05:50 That's all I want to know. The reason why I want to say that is because you said, literally, before we go on there, I go. I got a question for him. Yeah, I said, are you going to ask this guy something? He goes, I got a question for him. I'm just going to ask him if he actually watches the film or not and why can't we just trust him? I'm's that he's like short arms he said i had
Starting point is 02:06:08 short arms and i'm like so move the stick it wasn't just him everybody did but then he makes a reference to the media goal he remembers barry and aq that guy thought that he had no idea who the fuck you were no so you're just blaming him for what everybody else said he was with the eagles when i was there he knew now he knows exactly what's wrong with short arms if you're playing guard or center i i don't care if you have short arms thank you aj thank you your punch your punch is serious if i all i do is look at your head a cubic i don't care this guy can play with no arms he'll be all right well that's what they were saying with the length of his arms they said this guy's basically playing with no arms imagine they would say if this guy had how hard his head
Starting point is 02:06:44 didn't you win the remington think how hard his head must be if he's playing no arms. Imagine they would say if this guy had. Think how hard his head. Didn't he win the Remington? Think how hard his head must be if he's playing with no arms. No arms, just head. He was kickoff return wedged too. So, I mean, a lot of no arms. Back when there was a wedge. Yeah. Absolute dog. Real wedge.
Starting point is 02:06:55 Absolutely. Has not seen the movie Concussion. Will not see the movie Concussion. No way. Let me know how it is. But those of us close to him say, hey, Godspeed, Bo. He was a fullback for a little bit as well. And it was like, all right, run your face into this guy's face right.
Starting point is 02:07:11 Run your face into this guy's face left. Yes, coach. And he's 330, 310, whatever it was, coming through the hole. Athlete. D-lineman, too. Two sacks and an orange ball. Multi-sport athlete. Hall of Famer in western Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 02:07:24 That guy. Right there. That guy can shoot a basketball. Who would have thought? It's crazy. Can-sport athlete. Hall of Famer in Western Pennsylvania. That guy. Right there. That guy can shoot a basketball. Who would have thought? It's crazy. Can't putt though. That's what DJ said. I thought it.
Starting point is 02:07:31 Dog. Look at that hair. Here we go. Absolute dog. Look at that shirt. Is that sunning in your hair or what? No, that was when I had hair. Joe loves you.
Starting point is 02:07:41 Lost about a year and a half later. Look how happy Joe is. He fucking loves you. What did Joe say here if you had to guess AQ? I know. I got longer arms than you. That how happy Joe is. He fucking loves you. What did Joe say here if you had to guess, AQ? I got longer arms than you. That's probably what he... Look, they are.
Starting point is 02:07:50 They are. They are. There's something fishy going on in AQ. Yeah, he actually said, AQ, I have something I need to tell you but I fucking can't tell you.
Starting point is 02:07:58 Joe. The brass. And it's not good. I'm going to tell you something. You can't tell anybody, okay, outside this building. We've already let too much out. When you go in the showers down there.
Starting point is 02:08:09 Just square bathing, dude. Hey, now, you know what's going on. Hey, bro, that was crazy that that happened. Yeah, it still is. It looked crazy. Just from somebody that's from that area of people that go there, like such an institution. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:22 Like Penn State is like institution. That was very, but not the only school. Like there's a lot of shit coming out from a lot of places. It's like, what? How is this even happening? But it feels like we're at a point now where it feels like, right? I think so. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 02:08:36 In different situations, like the Baylor, the Baylor suspension was pretty nuts too with all the stuff that went on there. Michigan State. Michigan State. Oh, shit's coming out of Ohio State allegedly. No offense. No offense. Back in the day, the wrestling guy, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's so many stories coming out that I'm like, man,
Starting point is 02:08:52 you never, because you hold institutions, these universities, in such high regard. It's like people are going there to learn how to operate. You are like, thank you, and then you hear some of these stories, it's like hopefully nobody's learning that. What the hell? People skip that particular. How come their linebackers are so good and you guys then you got it was right whenever like you were in the middle of that whole era almost
Starting point is 02:09:14 like it happened before you before and then but the trouble era and then all the stuff happened after i left so i kind of when did it all hit the window did he get booted when did that all like when did it all come out and he ended up leaving? Well, it came out like 20 years later. Oh, one, I think. AJ was his last year coach. Was it? Yeah, but it didn't come out.
Starting point is 02:09:31 Whoa. Yeah. Oh, you mean Big Jer? I'm talking Joe Paul. Oh, yeah. So that's 12. 2012. That's what I call him, Big Jer?
Starting point is 02:09:39 Yeah. I wasn't sure. He recruited you, AJ? Terrible things. I did recruit AJ. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to the 500 phone lines here. Who's this?
Starting point is 02:09:50 Is that AQ? Holy shit, that's in the shipyard. Old school right there. Nice thing you are. Look at that. Look at that. You look like Phil Kessel. Are you kidding me?
Starting point is 02:10:03 You got a lot of Phil Kessel in you. Bro, he's still got those calves, man. He's just not allowed to hit anybody, remember, because of the thing. Look at those feet. He's an athlete. Sweet feet. You should have been number one overall. You got a lot quicker when you shaved your head.
Starting point is 02:10:14 Sweet feet. Let's go. Arrow doesn't ever read bios. Hey, shout out to Nick Scroggins on Twitter, who has pieced this together and sent this to us. Athlete. AQ vibing, obviously, in the back. He should be proud of what he's doing with those cones.
Starting point is 02:10:26 I mean, that's one of the best drills I've ever seen in my life. Hell yeah. It's scary. It's scary to think of that coming at you. Hey, wait till we get – we're going to get to see some of that tonight. Let's go. AQ's dog, dude. We're going to get to see some of that tonight.
Starting point is 02:10:38 Watch the neck. Watch – well, bro, he's been a part of Takedown Tuesdays. You heard me bring – Is Jay coming? No. Is Jay coming? Are they going to put a mat out and they're going to roll? Bro, I got a text from Jay the other day.
Starting point is 02:10:47 I just realized. I seen it when I scrolled back through. Just like the Lefkoe issue, I don't even – I'm a terrible human. I'm a bad person, okay? I'm a bad person. I apologize. It's hard for me to read every single one because I feel obligated to have full convo. How's it going?
Starting point is 02:11:02 And then with wife being pregnant in life the way it is, it's like I don't have time to dive into full conversations with everybody. Yeah, it's not cool. I hope to not be like this forever. I would like to maybe get into conversations again with friends of mine and stuff like that, which I do. But, you know, not every human I've ever met. Jay Glazer sent me one out of nowhere.
Starting point is 02:11:23 It was great seeing his name on my phone. He's the best. Jay Glazer popped up in my of nowhere. It was great seeing his name on my phone. He's the best. Jay Glazer popped up in my, I didn't see it until like two days later. Well, I saw it this morning. He sent me a text a couple days later. I was scrolling back to find somebody. I see Jay Glazer. I'm like, holy shit.
Starting point is 02:11:35 He was in a jungle for a little bit, wasn't he? Yeah, hanging out. Just taking a Thailand. Thailand, yeah. He was fighting in the jungle. Oh, yeah. I was following along. That's crazy.
Starting point is 02:11:42 Posting highlight videos. Was he at Mike Swick's place? Did he go to Mike Swick's place, AQ? I don't know, but when he goes over there, that's what he does the whole month. It's just train and just get away. Didn't he just get surgery?
Starting point is 02:11:56 Back, right? Yeah, back. I think he did. I think you're right. I'm trying to make you go, I think you're right. I think he did get back. I'm not so sure Jay Glazer isn't in like the CIA. He's everywhere basically doing recon for the United States. There's a chance. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 02:12:12 Because he has to post his videos from Thailand. Does the location drop? I'm in. Fuck it. You know, he's doing the whole thing. Love to be here. I am bad. But really, he's in.
Starting point is 02:12:20 He's in Shanghai. He might be on something here at the embassy. There's a chance. And by the way, he didn't get surgery either. He just paid a hospital China. I think he might be on or something here. At the embassy. There's a chance. He didn't get surgery either. He just had a fake hospital picture, kind of like your boy. It wasn't a fake picture from Elias or whoever it was. Ezekiel, prick. It was to throw people off because he is killing people for the government.
Starting point is 02:12:35 Chris Angel was really in the hospital, AJ. Yeah. Oh, shit. Is he okay? I saw Chris Angel do jiu-jitsu. That scared me. I do not want to hear it. That's what Takedown Tuesday is like in this guy's basement
Starting point is 02:12:45 that AQ is doing every single week. Man, if Chris Angel showed up tonight, I could die a happy man. Me too. He was on the draft spectacular. Whoa, fuck. Let's not put that out there. Yeah, hold on. Because we got some big stuff.
Starting point is 02:12:55 We don't have Chris Angel. Yeah. We don't have Chris Angel. If he takes your legs and removes them from your body and flips you around a few times, I can say my life is complete. What if Chris Angel walks his ass right up here? And he goes, Pat, sit down. I shouldn't do this.
Starting point is 02:13:11 You're getting me excited. He takes my legs off on my torso, the flat side. He puts on the draft pick, turns it to the screen, and goes, the next pick is mine, freak. And then puts that shit back on me. And then we both walk off. I mean, that would be, you're right. That would be the fifth annual.
Starting point is 02:13:30 Fifth annual, fifth annual. Fifth annual, fifth annual draft spectacular. Can't wait. I'm actually a brainstormer now. You're influencing? He takes, no. He comes in, he takes your legs off. He's like, hey, watch this next pick.
Starting point is 02:13:40 Next pick goes up. It's some big D lineman. He has your, he's walking with his upper, his torso and your legs on the TV. And you're like, wait a second. How does this work? Well, it's Chris angel.
Starting point is 02:13:49 Even better. We can do a little nostalgia trip. He's going to come and he's going to take your arms off of your body. He's going to put them on a Q's body. And they're going to say, Q, you would have been first round. These arms.
Starting point is 02:14:01 It'll be a big celebration. Okay. That's next year. We got a lot of plans. Yeah, we do. Who's going to float above? Who's going to float up in the air like you did Shaq? Oh, that's probably the whole Thunderdome.
Starting point is 02:14:12 No, we should have him float above Ezekiel. All right, let's get to the phones. Him and Elias at the same time. Maybe WWE Superstar Edge. Maybe. Maybe. Almost. Maybe.
Starting point is 02:14:23 Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Travis in Connecticut on the 5 Energy phone line. Travis, what's going on, pal? What's going on, boys? How you doing? Keep it moving. Respect. Happy draft day. I just wanted to get a question for you guys. I wanted to see where you guys
Starting point is 02:14:38 think B. John Robinson is going to go and why is it the Dales Cowboys? You a Cowboys fan up there in Connecticut? Right. Diehard. And a Cowboys fan up there in Connecticut? Die hard. And a Texas hockey fan, baby. Oh, okay. Well, Texas hockey's going to be run out of playoffs.
Starting point is 02:14:51 We know that's going to happen. Do you have a basketball team or no? Mavericks. They got ruined by Kyrie. Okay, so are you from Dallas? Your parents from Dallas? Or you just fell in love? Yeah?
Starting point is 02:15:03 Yep. All right, well, enjoy Connecticut, dude. No. See? Even he knows Connecticut. He hates it. Hey, relax. It does. Come on to UConn, bro.
Starting point is 02:15:13 Yeah, why didn't you go back? Because it sucks. Why do you sound rude? I'm not rude. It's just true. I love Connecticut. People say UConn, not UConn, but Connecticut as a whole. And now, granted, we're around him, his friends.
Starting point is 02:15:27 You couldn't get nobody else to pay you besides Connecticut. What's that all about? Great experience. Loved it. You had NIL up there? Absolutely not. No, D-Butt said he saw Dan Orlovsky walking around in the locker room. All right, let's get this done.
Starting point is 02:15:39 Dong out. He was like, I got to play on the same team as that guy. We hope Bijon gets drafted. Is that right? Is that what happened? On your recruiting visit? We don't know if that's the case. I fucked it up anyway. Anyways, we have no idea where Bijan's going.
Starting point is 02:15:54 We assume earlier than everybody's expecting because everybody's calling him like the perfect guy. He's a weapon. I can't wait to see what team he ends up on. If we take him to the Colts at four and he makes two first downs next year, we did it. Winner.
Starting point is 02:16:09 If we had a weapon on our team, that would be great. That would be. Not including Minshew. Or, well, Minshew, we believe, is going to be the backup quarterback. I thought you were going to say Jelani Woods. Got JT. JT will be healthy next year. Hell, yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:21 And the offensive line is going to be back. Right? Yeah. Shane Spikes. Shane Stike. Oh, no. No confidence with that. Zero. Shane Stike knows O-line play.
Starting point is 02:16:32 We'll see. What's your problem? Y'all be good or not? They better be better than they were last year. They were bad last year. It was a bad brand of football. What happened last year? Were they not healthy or what?
Starting point is 02:16:43 I don't even know who the fuck they were sliding to. I don't even think they knew who they were sliding to. Really? Yeah, it was... What are you talking about? The Indianapolis Colts? Is that coaching or is that... I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think it was probably a little bit of both. You don't know what you're talking about. The film doesn't tell the whole story. Just unblocked guys on a rip protection.
Starting point is 02:17:00 That sounds cool. Well, you heard Matt Ryan. He couldn't even run out of the pocket with those big-ass knee braces he had on. Yeah, he actually— God almighty. It's like he was fucking running in slow motion. Forrest Gump. You know that scene?
Starting point is 02:17:11 Forrest Gump coming out of the driveway? Them braces don't hurt when y'all wear those shits. I never wore them because of that. You see him on these cones? He ain't never wearing those things. You had to wear them in college? Used to wear braces. No, I didn't have to wear them in college.
Starting point is 02:17:22 Oh, okay. All our linemen had to wear them. I know. And then everybody gets rid of them as soon as they get to the league. Phil Rivers had this much tape on each side of his ankle. It was an ice skate. He was putting on an ice skate when he was going out there. And Matt Ryan, same thing.
Starting point is 02:17:35 But he was from knee all the way down. Yeah, exactly. Extended snow boots. But I didn't even know Matt Ryan had no shot. They were shifting to nobody. You guys were coming scot-free. Matt Ryan, a little thinner. Getting killed.
Starting point is 02:17:47 They stunk. What we're saying is Bijan could go anywhere, and I think everybody would be pumped about it. On the Colts, too, there was that one time Saturday I was jogging off the field, and he almost ran over to the suite to grab like a hot dog in the middle of the game. No, I think he wanted to jump in the suite and pretend like he wasn't the coach anymore.
Starting point is 02:18:00 He just wanted to blend in. We had the lead in that game. Yes, and? He said hello. That's what he said. And did you have blend in. We had the lead in that game. Yes, and... He said hello. That's what he said. Did you have the lead at the end of the game? I think it was the Washington game. We would go on to lose that game last drive. Scary Terry McLaurin would catch a 70-yard bomb and then
Starting point is 02:18:15 he would just kind of waltz it in. He's coming over. Oh, there he is. I gotta go. He didn't want to hit that lady. That security lady's been there since I've been there. She's a great woman. I should know her name.
Starting point is 02:18:28 I'm a bad guy. All right. Listen, the Colts are going to be better off. Let's go to Colin in Chicago. Colin in Chicago. What's going on, Paul? How's it going? Keep it going.
Starting point is 02:18:40 Unlike that last dude you called, B. John Robinson to go to the Bears on Fan Duels at plus 1,500. Other books have it at plus 500. So I'm actually curious where you guys think the Big Mike and the Cowboys are going to go with the pick. Okay, so I think he was talking about Chicago to the Bears. B. John Robinson, top of the conversation. Seems like everybody wants him. Yeah, if he's a Camara, why wouldn't you?
Starting point is 02:19:03 Yeah, Alvin Kamara was thrown out there about him. I mean, that's incredible. Let's go to Roger in West Virginia on the 500 Funland. What's going on, Rog? How you doing? Keep it moving. Yes. I was just wondering if West Virginia or if you and Pac was going to come to West Virginia when they beat the dog shit out of that shit
Starting point is 02:19:19 eating school in Pittsburgh. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, Roger. I'll definitely be there. Yeah, I assume we'll be yeah. Hell yeah, Roger. I'll definitely be there. Yeah, I assume we'll be there. I love the Beckett. I assume we'll be there. Happy it's back. It's in Morgantown.
Starting point is 02:19:30 I did not know the date when somebody presented it to me. Remember that? Kenny, was it? Was that last year or this year? Kenny was definitely last year. Yeah, it was Kenny last year. Yeah, he just said, like, I'll see you some day. And I was like, really?
Starting point is 02:19:40 I don't think so. I think you guys talked about it the second time. He came on again. Down in Morgantown that we're going to go. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Party, baby. What day of the week is it? I don't know.. I think you guys talked about it the second time you came on again. Down in Morgantown that we're going to go. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Party, baby.
Starting point is 02:19:47 What day of the week is it? I don't know. We'll figure it out, Pat. Last year was a Thursday. That's the only worry. It's going to be tough. It was Thursday last week. Yeah, it was the first game of the year, pretty much.
Starting point is 02:19:55 Yeah, first game of the year. Was it always Thursday? I think it was Thursday, yeah. You were running around on the field. Yeah, yeah. It used to be the day after Thanksgiving for a couple years. Backyard ball. That would be perfect.
Starting point is 02:20:08 September 16th, obviously. 2023. The season starts on the 9th, I think. That might be a Thursday. It's week three because they open with Penn State and then they lose it to Duquesne and then they play Pitt. Who opens with Penn State? September 16th is a Saturday.
Starting point is 02:20:26 Hey, buddy. Hey, hey a Saturday. Hey, buddy. Hey, hey, hey, buddy. Hey, hey, hey. Tough game. Penn State's going to be top five. Is that the song you guys play? Wait. Oh.
Starting point is 02:20:37 Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.
Starting point is 02:20:41 Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.
Starting point is 02:20:44 Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah, we're's going to eat that like this.
Starting point is 02:20:48 It's going to eat it? Yeah, we're going to go 1-0. Perfect. That's what we're doing. We're going into Happy Valley to make everybody sad. It's in Penn State? Yeah. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 02:20:56 That's what I'm saying. That's why you guys are doing that. Yeah, you guys are trying to fireworks. It's a whole fucking display. We're not wearing that. Daytime fireworks? You think it's going to be a night game? No way.
Starting point is 02:21:03 We haven't seen that. We've got fireworks downtown. We're burning couches and shit on fire. Boom. Those aren't even planned, pal. Those are coming out of nowhere. Oh, somebody accidentally left a little gas in front of how many fans? 50?
Starting point is 02:21:12 50,000? Double that motherfucker. Double that. After 75,000, you don't know the difference. That's what I've been told by people. We just know the whole town is going to be there when we play. Boom. The whole state is going to be in town whenever West Virginia is playing.
Starting point is 02:21:23 Yeah, we got Penn State right there, September 2nd. Then Duquesne. Good schedule for West Virginia. No Dukes. We're going 2-0, certainly leading into the backyard brawl. We've got 3-0. Texas Tech, no shot. Tough schedule. Oh yeah, they're going 2-10.
Starting point is 02:21:39 FBI's predicting what? 2-10. 2-10 is what everybody's saying. Penn State and Duques ten. Two and ten. Yeah, two and ten is what everybody's saying. What two wins? What two wins do they have? Penn State and Duquesne. Full of shit. Taking over Pennsylvania. Two and ten, and he got the next, you know, Nick Saban coming in.
Starting point is 02:21:54 There are no cupcakes anywhere. Zero. That's what you want. That's what you sign up for when you go to West Virginia. Unless you go 0-12. National TV game. Whoa, AJ! TCU did it. I'm not saying they will. I'm saying no coach
Starting point is 02:22:07 wants to have this schedule in college football. I just want to let you know, we want it. Let's go. That's what we want. We thrive where others struggle. Bingo. That's the recruiting. Hey, we don't got any easy games. Everybody's hard.
Starting point is 02:22:22 That's West Virginia football. We got to be harder. We cannot go over this season. Glass eaters. Cannot. 1-11. Duquesne. See you tomorrow.
Starting point is 02:22:31 No fucking way we're going 1-11. What's the odds? That's our way to get rid of their coach. That's literally a way to get rid of their coach right there. You think they need to stack the fucking schedule? Stack the schedule to get rid of him. Yeah. He's been there six years, dude.
Starting point is 02:22:42 We got two open days. Let's schedule Penn state and byu what do you say lose all the games get the first round pick what are you trying to say right here coach neil brown's like we got duquesne right can we get a couple more of those we can find a lot of those duquesnes around coach neil we get iup in there what's that coach neil brown's a fucking market sorry i'll say it to you, too. The best thing that West Virginia football can do this year is to lose every game by 50 and get in a whole new regime and start screwing their asses off, okay?
Starting point is 02:23:14 I trust the climb. I don't have a college football team. I want it to be West Virginia, but not this year. It's going to be it. Hold the rope, Pat. Hold the rope. Hold the rope. What it used to be?
Starting point is 02:23:23 Hold the rope. See, we don't even know the motto because they don't have it. That's what's wrong. Trust the client. Listen, whenever there's somebody hanging over the cliff and you got a rope to save them, everybody needs to hold the goddamn rope. Look, man. Look at my boy.
Starting point is 02:23:34 That's your boy? He's a dog, bro. That guy's a dog? That guy's a dog, bro. Let's be real here for a second. Yes. We need someone new. We all know it. We need Rich Rod. That would be great here for a second. We need someone new. We all know it.
Starting point is 02:23:45 We need Rich Rod. That would be great. Why not save it? Rich Rod walking back in there. Alright motherfuckers, everything has changed. It would be the Stone Cold Steve Austin glass break, him walking into that building. But I don't know how it would play out.
Starting point is 02:24:01 I assume they'd win because that's what Rich Rodriguez does. He's at Jacksonville State. But I also think Neil Brown's got something Rodriguez does. He's at Jacksonville State. But I also think Neil Brown's got something for you. That's fine, baby. He's got something for you. All right, year six. You know what they say. When coaches struggle to open their first five years,
Starting point is 02:24:13 that's six years. They fucking take off. Well, he's got Blaine Stewart coaching for him now. Yeah. That is a game changer. Love you, Blaine. Love you, Blaine. Shout out to Coach Blaine.
Starting point is 02:24:20 Shout out to Coach Blaine. Coach Blaine, if you guys don't win every game, we're disappointing you. Yeah. But that is expected, so we'll get over it quickly. You make Blaine the head coach. Speaking of people we're not disappointed in, we have somebody in our office that tried to dive into the mock draft game last year,
Starting point is 02:24:38 and he said he was going to do good. He came in dead last. A lot of pressure. Yeah, too much. Only up from here. We offered him ten thousand dollars if he was being the top three of the mock drafters this year we're gonna make it more difficult gotta be in the top two of the mock drafters we have a point system tone
Starting point is 02:24:54 what was the point system that we decided upon point system is you get two points if you predict the player going to the correct team and the correct pick so that's two points if you have the player going in the correct round uh for points. If you have the player going in the correct round for tonight. So if you have a player going in there, that's one point, five points to predict a trade player. That's what we did last year. So, yeah. So we keep scores and accurate scoring.
Starting point is 02:25:16 Obviously, it's not fair because it has different insiders than everybody else. It has really none of them. He's just reading what everybody else is saying. He gives his best effort. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for a man to come on and present his final mock draft.
Starting point is 02:25:32 Something that could win him $10,000. Ladies and gentlemen, he's the man that answers the 500 phone lines. He's the producer for Hammered Don. He's the son of a special teams coordinator. It is PMI Mitt's time to live. Let's go, Mitt is PMI, Mitch. Time to lift. Here you go, Mitch.
Starting point is 02:25:45 Let's go, Mitch. Here you go, Mitch. Your time, Mitch. Here we go. Here we go. Watch camera at my on. There we go. Find the camera.
Starting point is 02:25:54 All right. Let's get the big board up here. That's me. Boom. And then we'll start here with the first overall pick. I have, obviously, Bryce Young, just like everybody else. Everybody else. It seems like the consensus, the draft really starts here at number two i have will anderson getting taken
Starting point is 02:26:11 i think they're skipping on a quarterback right here and they're gonna take who they see as the number one player available change their defense this dude has been nothing but a production machine in alabama i mean why the fuck wouldn't you take him and then here at three i mean there's a lot of talk about maybe they trade back maybe they go and get a tackle i know kyler murray wants paris johnson but i mean i'm not gonna listen to somebody you that you had to write a film clause in their contract for that's personally just me. I am going to go with a defensive game
Starting point is 02:26:48 changer. Their defense gave up 26.4 points last year. Now, is that fucking good? No. Go and get somebody that can change your defense, change your team, get Kyler Murray back on the field on third downs.
Starting point is 02:27:06 Love that. Now here we go. The Colts. We got an owner here. Hell yeah. Wow. Owner here in the city who's been pretty vocal about wanting a quarterback. I think C.J. Stroud is the best quarterback in this draft,
Starting point is 02:27:19 the best player in this draft, has been the best player in college football the last two years. I think he's gonna be an absolute dog here in indy and then here at five i have my big swing here i'm kind of going for the home run hey here hey let it swing yeah swing it swing it hey we swing that we haven't heard this guy's name since his pro day when he hit the roof anthony richardson he was being talked as potentially the number one overall pick haven't heard his name being said since but he has been having great interviews specifically with one coach in general that he came out and said that it just felt different leaving the building that was pete carroll and i think they take a big swing
Starting point is 02:28:03 here take their quarterback of the future, pass on Jalen Carter, who a lot of people were saying before the draft process started he was the number one player in the class. I have him falling all the way down to six. The Lions see him, and they say, we can't pass up on this dog. They could take a corner. They could, but this guy, too good too good love it too good a tape let's go too good of too good of a player to pass up and now here is another big swing here congrats foxy
Starting point is 02:28:34 you got a dog that's huge now another big swing here i think the texans are really gonna end up moving up and going and getting a quarterback they have that 12th pick they could stick there and wait see who falls but i think they like will levis i think they're going to want to go up and get their guy i know that the raiders they had a lot of struggle on defense last year they definitely could use witherspoon they definitely could use a gonzalez but they're seeing all these premier pass rushers drop or go so they're just going to drop all the way down to 12, maybe get another second, another third, get more players that can help out Jimmy G,
Starting point is 02:29:12 skip out on taking a quarterback this year, and then the Texans move up and get their guy, jump the Falcons who are, they need help on defense too. Number one corner out, Devin Witherspoon and Mitzwa. And also, I mean, I was thinking it was Christian Gonzalez for a little bit, but then I saw a tweet from somebody that, I mean, Jay knows. And Jay said that Devin Witherspoon has been flying up draft boards. And I just think they're taking a corner here.
Starting point is 02:29:43 So we got Dein witherspoon going and then to help out uh sorry to help out justin fields we got and dj more yeah and dj more we got dub bears who traded down from number one sticking with their guy justin fields i think they're gonna go with one of his old college teammates paris johnson jr like a lot of things to protect his left or right side. Not sure if he's going to be playing left or right tackle, but he's athletic enough to play both. And then Bijan Robinson.
Starting point is 02:30:12 Wow. The most intriguing player in the draft, in my opinion. Everybody has this guy as a blue chip player, but he's a running back. Running back's been a pretty devalued position in the NFL the last couple years. You can look at the contract numbers. But he plays it all, and I just don't see him falling out of the top ten.
Starting point is 02:30:34 This just seems like the perfect fit. I don't know. There's no way any of this could be completely wrong. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, not at all. It could be wrong. We did all 32? I did not do all 32. Oh, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 02:30:50 Let's go. I can't wait. I think you're going to do great. Nobody seems to have a clue about this, so you might as well throw your hat into the ring. We're proud of you. 10 grand, you're in the top two. Let's go.
Starting point is 02:31:01 Nobody knows shit about the draft. I don't know. That's interesting. We should talk about that. Yeah. We got to figure that one out. Top 20. What did we do last year?
Starting point is 02:31:08 32. Yeah, you got to figure that out. You got hours. You got a few hours. Yeah, you got time. You got hours. That's a great start. That's all the hard stuff.
Starting point is 02:31:18 Yeah. Proud of you, Mitt. Good job, Mitt. Good shit, Mitt. Turn that mic off, Mitt. All right, Mitt. Probably going to need that mic back at some point, Mitt. Yeah, I was going to put it back here, Mitt. All right, probably gonna need that mic back at some point. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:31:28 All right, let's get, let's get out of here. Let's enjoy the hell out of the night. We'll be live at seven 35 Eastern standard time with the most recent Foxy flick, a breaking down last year, recapping last year,
Starting point is 02:31:39 Superbowl vlog. And then we'll jump right into the next draft class. The next generation of NFLers will be decided and started to be decided tonight. We cannot wait, AJ. Thank you for the post. We can't wait to see what you're dressing like tonight. To all the boys, let's fucking kill it.
Starting point is 02:31:55 Come on. This is a big time night. Huge night. And to the fans, we're giving away $100,000. It should be a good time. Watch NFL Network. Watch ESPN. Watch ABC. Whatever you want. Just put us right there in your hand. We're going to be going bananas. And there's going to be some absurd shit that's going to take place.
Starting point is 02:32:12 All the while, breaking down some real shit in this draft. Making people smarter. That's what we try to do while having a good time. You're the greatest humans on earth for allowing us to do this every day. Big shout out to Daniel Jeremiah, Peter Schrager, Rich Eisen, and hopefully our guy Ty is healthy enough to make
Starting point is 02:32:28 it for this evening. AJ, we'll see you in a bit. Be nice to each other. That'd be a cool thing. Just be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Could change your entire day. You have no idea what they're going through. Might have woke up feeling like shit, and all of a sudden you say, hey, nice face today, pal.
Starting point is 02:32:43 And they just keep moving. like, hey, not bad. Maybe I do have a good face. So you can say something nice that can change somebody's life. Go ahead and do that and we'll see you tonight. Goodbye!

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