The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 900 - Tom Pelissero, Grant Hill, Ian Rapoport & Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

On today’s show, Ian Rapoport, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys fill in for Pat while he is on paternity. They chat about last night’s NBA Playoff games, the NFL schedule release, Rapsheet’s college rowing career, Patrick Mahomes potentially getting the richest contract in NFL history before the start of the NFL season, and much more. Joining the progrum to chat about the schedule release, how the insider game works, his thoughts on the Vikings moving forward and the Kirk Cousins and Justin Jefferson situations and more is NFL Insider for NFL Network, The Arrow, Tom Pelissero (13:18-52:47). Next, 7x NBA All-Star, 5x All-NBA, 1995 NBA Rookie of the Year, and color commentator for the NBA on TNT, Grant Hill joins the show to preview tonight’s Suns vs. Nuggets game 5, chat about the playoffs as a whole so far, how the NBA has changed since he was in the league, LeBron and Steph’s legacies, and much more (55:23-1:14:20). Later, Pat jumps on to chat about how parenting has been going, the potential contracts of Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert, and respond to some of the rumors floating around about Up to Something SZN (1:55:58-2:52:45).  Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, we are back. Welcome in to the Pat McAfee show here at the Thunderdome. I'm your host today, The Insider. Bang. Bang. Nailed it. Nice. I gave a, I'm Ian Rappaport, by the way. I'm known as The Insider.

Yeah, I assume you knew that. Welcome. I'm hosting again today. Didn't get the show canceled yesterday. Not yet. Close. Still a chance today. Definitely. I gave myself a pep talk as I was walking back from my Peloton today.

Ooh. That when the thing... Yeah, no, I know. Big deal. Where's this guy? Where'd you bike through? Amsterdam? No, no, no.

Class. Oh, okay. Al Toussaint? I did an Emma Lovewell class. Okay. She's the? No, no, no. Class. Al Toussaint? I did an Emma Lovewell class. She's the best. She's got a good accent. Does a great job. She has a good accent.

No, no, no. Emma Lovewell is the American one. Come on. I don't love the way you said that, but okay. Anyway, and I gave myself a pep talk about how I would possibly nail the Open, and I think we're off to a good start. Yeah, it was pretty good. You were more prepared today.

It definitely seems that way. Misspelling on Instagram, but nailed the Open. Yeah, we're doing Tabis again. Oh, no. Come on. Not again. And I thought about, and that's also a nice face, I thought about redoing it, and then the show was starting. I'm like, you know what?

I have no regrets. Let it ride. Let it ride. And it looks great up there. That is good. That's a nice little blue steel Ian Rappaport right there. Nothing to complain about. AJ Hawk is also here.

AJ, thanks for having us. Hey, Hawk. Hey, Ian. What's up, Ian? How you doing? How do you feel? I feel like you killed the opening. I appreciate it.

I feel really good. Adam Pac-Man Jones also joining us. Here we go, Pac. For being honest, one of my favorite players growing up. Appreciate that. Here we go. Love you, Pac. Play with it, too.

You're older than him, I believe. Yeah, but, you know, growing up, you understand what he's saying. Yeah, right. I mean, it's actually weird when you see a player you watched as a kid and you're like, wow, I'm older than you, and that's, yeah. Yeah, you were saying as you got taller is what you were saying. Well, I mean, if we're being honest, I'm still waiting. Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

Never too late. Wait a second. I read an article this weekend. How come J.J. Watt hasn't been on the show this weekend what the hell is it didn't he replace that fucking guy he's supposed to so it's actually interesting you mentioned that i i i keep my my channels it's very specific i watch nfl network and obviously i watch you guys on uh youtube youtube there you go. On YouTube. Way to go. You definitely do that for sure. Obviously, I'm a big fan.

But I did notice that J.J. Watt is the new host. Yeah. Co-host. Co-host. AI. So congratulations to J.J. Yeah. Congrats, J.J.

Congrats. A.J., when's your last day? I don't know. Maybe tomorrow. We'll see. I guess. I don't know. We didn't know you put your two weeks in.

Why'd you put your two-week notice in and not let us know? I should have told you guys. I'm sorry. Fuck. You know what? I feel like, though, if AJ just kind of bounced and was like, you know what? I'm good. If he just disappeared, I don't think I'd be...

I would be sad, but I wouldn't... You don't need to make a big thing of it. You're very like an understated dude. Yeah, but... I can see you just being like... You'd be pretty worried just because his size was less. I got a video ready for the people that don't know what make a big thing of it. You're very like an understated dude. Yeah. It's you just being like. You can be pretty worried just because his size is less. I got a video ready for the people that don't know what we're talking about. If you guys want to run that.

Do you think anyone has to know it? Oh, there you go. I think most people don't. All right, here we go. I think most people don't know. I agree. BP. Hey, y'all.

My day. All right. You have a lot of exciting new projects beyond being a new dad. You'll be the new co-host of the Pat McAfee show. Wow. Wow. Yeah. That's what I was i was told oh that would be great no no did you send me a contract that i'm unaware of this is this is great for television that's an awkward moment but could we make that happen would you be interested there's a number

there's a number that can make that happen. I'm open to discussions. But no, Pat's a great friend. He's been awesome to me for a long time. Okay, so that hasn't happened. No. There's a number. Yikes. This was Bill's fault.

This was Billy Tube's fault. Yes, it was. He put up a... Very clickbaity. Yeah, there it is. Oh, I thought this was after. I thought he put this up after that. No, this was like a month and a half ago.

You weren't here for the day, and JJ came on for the second hour. Yeah, I think it was the Ohio State crews. I think it was. And we did the whole intro as if it was you, and then JJ's face popped up, and then Bill put this out. So I assume someone at ESPN was doing a little... Who's great at their job. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. Starting now. Starting now. Was doing some research and saw this, and. Sure. Yeah. Starting now. Starting now. Was doing some research and saw this, and then they thought it was 100% true. Bingo. Someone got duped.

It happens, you know? Especially by Billy Tubes. McCockner. Billy Tubes is good at duping people. It is. Rap, you've been duped before. Come with the back of my hand. You've been McCocknered before.

Yeah. Remember that Manscaped thing? Remember that?caped thing? Why are you going to bring that up? Just because we're talking about getting duped. No, this is like, in all seriousness, this is sort of like instructive of our world now. Oh, yeah.

And not just, you know, Barry online or whatever his name is. Once in a while I do respond to and have respect for for the gimmick that he has perpetrated for the last five years. This is really our world. It's like, you see a headline, you don't read it. Is it true? I don't know. Maybe. Have you ever come across a rap sheet with an extra E or an extra T? All the time.

Really? Yeah, all the time. And do they actually get people? All the time. Sometimes I will get angry calls and it's like, hey, why would you report that? We didn't even talk about this. And I'll be like, hang on. Wait, hang on. Can you check the blue check mark?

Is it there? Now we can't even do that. Exactly. Now what? Now I don't know. Now people are even better at it. Now they say check the spelling like a regular human. I don't know.

Yeah, you have to now. It only costs you $8 a month to get a blue check now. Hell yeah. And isn't that long of a period after you change your name too? So you can get that blue check mark, change your name, get that blue check mark right back. And your picture is very, you know, you can just go on Google and get your backdrop with the NFL.

That's why you almost need to, you know, find a different header photo, all that kind of stuff, because there are, you know, you see Ian Rappaport up there. He's got the blue check. It's his picture, and you don't even look and say, wait a minute, that was Ultra Weed Killer that tweeted this. This is Barry McOchner. This wasn't Rappaport. Such a good photo, though. It is a good headshot.

I'll give you that. Usually Boner Garage. Doesn't Boner Garage get a lot of heat? Boner Garage is out there. He's always looking. Do you have to do headshots every year for NFL? We do. We've done it the last three years. But the last two years, I'm like, you know what? The one that I use is so good, I'm not changing anything. Well, you should grab one from the Food Network because you're on there every other week.

You and Guy Fieri eating donkey sauce. Why not? Oh, yeah. Fieri. Fieri. Is that the proper pronunciation? Yeah, he's Italian. I really can't.

We have some good guests on today. Grant Hill is going to join us, by the way. Wow. Let's go. As is Tom Polisero. The arrow? Yep. I made that happen.

Neuro-like himself. Kind of used my connection. Who's plugging him in today? Hack, do you know Guy Ferry? I don't know him. Never love him. Well, I know you know a lot of people, so I just didn't know if Guy was in your phone or not. Figure he was the godfather to one of your children or something.

That would be so sweet. That would be, AJ. AJ, I had a chance to go by Ohio State. Got to see you on the wall this weekend. Oh, yeah. Were you at a track meet over there? Yeah, then the boys, we went by and seen that massive man cave y'all have down there for all those big-time players. The All-Americans.

They've been doing construction on the facility for the last 10 years, I feel like. There's new things opening up every day. That's like every college campus, though, obviously. I seen the big 47 on the All-American wall. Fucking hair was long, buddy. Sweet hair. Who's doing the HVAC for that building you know you don't even have that oh that's a big contract you think general bob got it if he gets that i mean if he doesn't then ohio state's got to take a long look in the mirror about what they're

doing for the troops supporting the general exactly aj was number 47 yeah i remember that rap's not a college football guy. No, I mean, I was with all due respect. I didn't get to pick my number, Rap. But even when you got older, they weren't like, hey, you're wearing 47. Like, can we class this up a little bit? Not saying. What should I have changed to?

50. 50s, yeah. Or single. Single would have been cool. You're one of the best players in the country. You tell me you can't be like, can I put this? Single digit would have been cool, but I wasn't going to change my number after my sophomore or junior year. Yeah, and AJ doesn't do that. You're one of the best players in the country. You tell me you can't be like, can I put this? Single digit would have been cool, but I wasn't going to change my number

after my sophomore or junior year. Yeah, and AJ doesn't play. I didn't care. AJ doesn't play for a number or the name on the back of his ears. He plays with that Buckeye on his helmet. That's right. Did you pick your pro number?

Yeah, I think there was a couple, like there was a couple 50 numbers open, so yeah, I picked 50. Great number. I love that. I liked 47 because I was a huge John Lynch open, so yeah, I picked 50. Great number. I love that. I liked 47 because I was a huge John Lynch fan, so when they gave me 47, I was like, sweet, I like John Lynch.

I'll take it. You don't like John Lynch, right? Yeah. I love John Lynch. It sounds like you think his numbers suck. Is he your source? Is he your source? He is not my source. My life would be a lot easier.

You guys know I got a lot of flack from 49ers fans last night. Oh yeah? Because of the Darnold stuff? Yeah. Because you said he was the best quarterback to ever be on a Niner uniform? No, that was Matt Maioco. That was a different guy. That wasn't even you, Rap. No, Rap said... Yeah, what'd you do, Rap?

Rap said Montana, Stonk, Young, Stonk, Stonk, Stonk. I have no idea. It's like, and now that my mentions are like a complete mess now, thanks, Elon. Because they got rid of the verified unless if you paid, which I obviously didn't pay. Just pay, Rap. Yeah, you have to. Just do it.

I have to pay. You got to pay, Rap. Yeah, he said he prioritizes. If you pay, you can go back and edit. If you don't pay, you can't go back and edit. I already know. I've used it multiple times, and it's thank God. I feel like people, I got shamed when I paid $8.

Yeah, a lot of people did that. I would do it again. Do what you want to do. We all use Twitter every day. Yeah, you pay to use the app. What are we talking about? I get annoyed when people are like, oh, like the athletic. I'm like, you pay to use the app. What are we talking about? I get annoyed when people are like, the athletic, I'm like, just pay.

It's good. Or just don't read it. No, you do. I don't know if I'm signing up for that one. Wait, you don't pay for Gaboli's fucking articles? No, I just go on to his Twitter and see what he's doing with the Steelers. What runarounds he's got going. You read the headlines, like the guy who did the J.J. Watt thing.

Yeah, exactly, but then I'm not going out and telling people, like, hey, this is exactly what this article is about, because, you know, if you don't read the entire thing, you really shouldn't say any of that. Have you thought about breaking news like Tom Brady signs one-year deal worth $5 million with, insert team name, and then five minutes later

changing it to, like, Blaine Gabbert? Have you thought about doing that? Like the edit button? Yeah. I have not thought about it. You should do that. I think it would be tough. Why? People trust me to have real things. At one point.

Yeah. Yeah. Pre, before. Rap Sheet, does anyone know, other than your bosses, does anyone know who's first? Who gets the scoop first? Or do your bosses know? Oh, I know. Yeah, but I'm saying general public that consumes your content, which everybody does.

Are they like, ooh, Raps, you got this one. Ooh, get that one. If I ever read the mentions, which I don't, then there would be people who would say late or whatever. And that's actually why I stop reading mentions because I'd be like, put my phone down over here and be like, oh, there's a text. Get it. And it'd be like 30 seconds late and everyone's like, L, L. And I'm like, shut up. Like, leave me alone.

Well, people keep track. Like, I don't know if they've done it for you versus Schefter, but for Shams versus Woj, yeah, whatever the hell his name is, they have like a free agent tracker. So, like, they will keep track of the score at the end of each day. Live scoreboard, yeah. Yeah, it'll be 15-13. It's pretty fun.

Even that's tough because it's like if you're the one who says closing in on a deal, that's a win, right? But then if you say done deal, is that the win? Well, I feel like that is what's changed. It's almost like each of the insiders will kind of get bits and pieces. So you guys are kind of all on the same thing, but someone has a little piece of information that someone else doesn't have.

And then they'll put the same thing out, but then they have little piece of information that someone else doesn't have, and then they'll put the same thing out, but then they have a piece of information that you didn't tweet out. So it's like you're all in the same ballpark, but they're kind of just feeding scraps to all of you to kind of string you along. Yeah, it just happened with Jalen Hurts. You broke Jalen Hurts first, however. I appreciate you saying that.

Your enemy, or maybe not enemy, but your rival, broke Jalen Hurts with the contract information. You know what I mean? So it's like you won that. He doesn't agree. Oh, you had it. Just based off the notifications, I come through my dumb phone. Your phone is probably slow.

Holy shit. Well, it might be. I really don't update it because who trusts what's going on with updates, especially when we're talking about phones. But if you report the numbers before you or after someone else reports the signing, I don't know how to categorize that. I think that's almost like a double win or half a win for both sides. So let's go to an expert. Okay. Who is that?

An AI. My good friend, Tom Pelissero. He to an expert. Okay. Okay. Who is that? An AI. My good friend, Tom Pelissero. He is an AI. Yep. NFL Network insider. Great hair. Yep. Guitarist.

Barrel link recipient. Great at memos. What? The goat of memos. The goat of memos. Yes. Tom Pelissero. Yay!

Let's go. What's up, boys? What's going on? Thanks for dressing up. Hell yeah. Connor, we broke all parts of Jalen Hurts. We did have money in the initial tweet. There have been some others.

There have been some other split victories. Jordan Love's contract extension, that was a, I broke the initial thing and then somebody else broke the money. So yeah, it's a good way to look at it. Half wins. I think if this were hockey, everybody gets a point, basically, just for showing up to work. If you got some part of it, then you get something out of it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, kind of like an overtime tie. I do have a question about that, though. Like, how do you guys, you know, because you, Tom, and Garofalo, obviously, yeah, you're the insiders. You kind of work as like a tandem in a team. How do you decide ultimately? I mean, I know you always do like the me and Tom Pelissero had it first,

but how do you decide who actually gets it, who gets the credit? How does that go? That is a high-stakes negotiation, usually with emotions running high. I'll tell you one. Here's one. So during free agency, I catch wind that the Cowboys are going to make a big trade. And I'm pretty sure it's for Stephon Gilmore. So I call some people and I'm like, all right, this is definitely happening. This is in the works.

So I text Tom and Mike and I'm like, hey, guys, want to give you a heads up? Stephon Gilmore is going to the Cowboys. I'm waiting on the final go-ahead. Tom calls me immediately. I got this. I got the comp. I'm like, well, actually, I got it. He's like, no, I got it.

Oh, no. Hang on. Hang on. Because you didn't have it. Oh, no. Oh. Whoa. He did have the comp.

It was a five or something. I had the entire thing. It was a conditional a five or something? I had the entire thing. It was a conditional fifth round pick. I had the whole trade. Ian, as sometimes he does, he's like 20 minutes behind and then calls me frantic. And in that moment,

I'm going to be your great teammate. I'm going to set the example for the team. I'm just like, just... I got it handled. But the reason I knew Ian knew, it actually wasn't you giving me a heads up. It was one of the people involved called me, goes, Ian just told me, I told him I don't know anything. I'm like, okay, I'll it handled. But the reason I knew Ian knew, it actually wasn't you giving me a heads up. It was one of the people involved called me, goes, Ian just told me,

I told him I don't know anything. I'm like, okay, I'll handle it. Bad accolades. I'll be nice. I'll bring him in. And then he goes, just so you guys know the truth on this, I go, listen, I got a tweet ready.

I got a picture. We're all good. Like, I'll tweet. I'll put your name on it. And he goes, I'm going to tweet it. I'm like, no. He goes, let me tweet this. I'm like, all right, we're good.

So he just alphas you, I'm going to tweet it. I'm like, no, he goes, let me tweet this. I'm like, all right, we're good. So he just alphas you and then you just back out. Here's the biggest thing though. As long as you don't get too deep into the who gets the credit, as long as one of us wins, we all win type of thing. To some degree, you have to have that. You all have to want to beat

each other's brains in at times too, but you want to just suppress that natural raw emotion and just make sure that as an aggregate, we don't screw ourselves. Smart. Yes. It's been good. That's why we have a great show that we wear t-shirts. And yeah, have a good time. I hear it might be coming back.

Rumors are that show's coming back. Is that breaking news? Wait a minute. Sources say I'm sorry Go back Oh my god Sorry Rab, she's a great gift

Where's my mug? My mug's better Well I assume Tom doesn't send his kids away for four months each summer That's a good point To go on a European boondoggle and leaving me and Mike the man real nice Yeah, that's a good point. Good point. To go on a European boondoggle and leaving me and Mike the man of the topic. Real nice.

I look at the spreadsheet and we've just got three weeks of just Ian off. Yeah, so I love you guys and I would go on from anywhere. But I would say in early July, I don't think they have internet in Slovenia, right? Croatia? Probably not. I've never been there. Wrong of you to say. Where are you going, Ian? We are going to Italy, Croatia, and Slovenia.

I thought you were stopping by Ukraine to report from the front lines. Insider information. No, he's starting in Vegas and then going directly to Europe. That's a true story. Oh, really? Jeez, Brad. That is true also, yes. If I make it, we'll see if I make it.

You'll make it. Your liver's been prepared for this for a long time. Just starting Tootsie's rep. Yes. Starting Tootsie's, dingo. What is wrong? Tootsie's is a show on Broadway? Yeah.

Yeah, like Tootsie Rolls. Tootsie Rolls. You should probably bring that story of it back. You should probably go with him. I will. Oh, now that would... I will go there. You are invited, my friend.

Yeah. You are invited. Now that would ramp it up a little bit. How long? We're only going for three days. Pack him up, Slovenia. No, no, no. He doesn't get to come on the couple's vacation.

What? Oh. Okay. Not tomorrow. Maybe he'll hang around. I respect that. It's messed up. Vegas, though, you are cordially invited.

But not to the other trip. No, not to the other trip. Hell yeah. Go to Vegas, then. So, Tom, we got some major news yesterday in our world. Major news. Huge. The schedule is being released.

The schedule is being released. Here we go. We are going to get it Thursday. There is my tweet, which was a couple minutes behind all the other tweets because I was doing something else, but still there is my tweet as if I'm breaking it. Good tweet. Good tweet. No picture because I wasn't ready because I don't know when it was going to come. But anyway, did you make the cut on the schedule release show? And if you didn't, are you upset as upset as i am i have never been on the schedule

release show i tend to just log in at uh 701 onto nfl.com and read the schedule um that's about that's about the excitement we know the matchups it's always interesting to see like what the primetime ones are there's obviously uh certain people within our industry complain you and i don't about christmas day double headers triple headers things like that i think all day can we out this person who's been texting us like mad we'll bring him on the show and he can out himself uh but holiday football it's all day it's like thanksgiving but it's christmas and your kids are trying to open presents and you're trying to watch russell wilson play the Chargers.

Sometimes things go a different direction. Is that breaking news? Yeah. Okay, Christmas. Is that what it is? Last year. That was last year. Oh, got it.

All right, fair. I remember that, obviously. I thought they played the Rams, not the Chargers. Was it the Rams? All right. I'll take the L on that. Yeah, the game was a stinker. Oh, no.

That was the— Oh, that's right. You are right. That's right. Nathaniel Hackett's last game, and they were fighting each other on the sidelines. And then it was like... Because I was...

I don't know. I was at some party, which surprised you. I was at some party. And I remember leaving being like, Oh, God, this is going to be annoying. Hackett's about to get fired. Fighting on the sidelines. And then Tom broke it, I think, as a matter of fact.

Way to go, Tom. I did. Those ones aren't all that fun. Because when you know people and they lose their jobs, it's not a great feeling. But, yeah, I mean, Ian's right. It was kind of ones that it had been there were a lot of different factors in what happened in Denver last year. I think that's one of the biggest stories.

You know, we're going to see the Broncos when that schedule comes out getting all sorts of primetime games. And does anybody know what it's going to look like? Like, we know Sean Payton's track record. I would think that they're going to be a competent football team, but they're certainly starting from a different point right now in terms of they spent tons of money in free agency, pumped it into the box. He cares about like the offensive line. And then obviously they had the draft. They did not have a lot of picks because their pick was Sean Payton, but they traded up multiple times in the draft with limited draft capital.

At one point trading a third round pick in next year's draft, which says to you, Sean Payton's building like he did in New Orleans, which is, I think I can win right now. I'm going to max out the cap. I'm going to take resources where I need to. I'm going to go get the players that I think fit what I do really well. Is that going to lead to a rejuvenated Russell Wilson who looks nothing like the Russell Wilson we saw in 2022? I mean, there's a critical year. If you look at Russell Wilson's contract,

they can get out of the fourth guaranteed year if they move on from him after this season. So this is really the test case right now. They owe him for 2024 no matter what, but it's going to be on Russell Wilson to come in in shape, which it sounds like he's down some weight from where he was a year ago at this time. Obviously, the offense is going to be different. The scheme is going to be completely different. And I'm just fascinated to see what Sean Payton does with Russell Wilson and all those assets he's got around him because their skill group that George Payton's built there is pretty good. Yeah, it's one of the teams where i literally have no idea no i i think um champagne you're gonna do a good job but the question is can russell wilson hit that indie sign on fucking connor hat that's the big question um we know they have a top 10 defense they're really good as far as the back end. But the question is, can Russell throw the ball? Can he get it done?

We're eager to see. But with no defense, they'll be really good. Tom Bosticano has a question for you. Yeah, Tom, on the same kind of note as the schedule coming out, what do teams think about the difficulty of schedule? Because right now, you know, they're obviously, they're ranking every single team and where they fall. I think theots are yeah here's the list the patriots are towards the top i know the steelers are towards the bottom oh yeah uh do teams actually take this into any account

or is this just something where you know us as fans are just looking at it from the outside trying to figure out like oh okay if we have the third hardest schedule, maybe we'll end up, you know, nine and eight. Is that real for these teams or no? The strength of the schedule is real, but it's also dictated by how you finish the year before. You know, now there's some luck involved in that too, because the Chiefs, I think, are 16th in strength of schedule just because of the division that they happen to be playing against, what happened to a couple of teams in their division last year. So you can argue that maybe that's actually going to end up stronger. what teams look for on the day that the schedule comes out and there's always some grumbling about it it's going to be who they plan in week one

when do they have back-to-back or back-to-back-to-back type of road trips and then how many uneven types of weeks do they have like how many times do they play a Monday and then a Sunday how many times they play a Sunday followed by a Sunday? How many times do they play a Sunday followed by a Thursday? And every year there's a couple of teams that don't have consecutive home games until December. And the buys, the other thing. Some teams, last year there were a couple teams that had a week 14 buy,

which no one had ever had before. For some teams, like for the Packers, it probably came at a really good time for them. At a time that they were playing better football, they just needed to get healthy. And then there's other teams. So I think the Colts also had the week 14 bye. And at that point, they're just limping toward the end. And probably the last thing anybody wants to do is go away for a week

and then have to come back to it for a month. But those are the teams really analyzed here and that all their operations people and their logistics people are trying to figure out, you know, in terms of those long road trips, especially for the West Coast teams going east or vice versa. You know, how do you do those? Are you staying in the city for a while? Those are the things that are really impactful once the actual schedule comes out. So one of the things I wanted to talk about, and for you guys to know,

like Tom and I were in Kansas City together. Like we were basically together for every day for six hours. I would show up when he'd already been on Good Morning Football, having worked out, showered. I was well-rested. He had been up since five. But then we would finish out a little of the day, and then we

would go to dinner. We were around each other a lot. We talked a million times about the different draft things. One of the topics that I think we talked about more million times about the different draft things. And one of the topics that was, I think we talked about maybe more than anything, was the CJ Stroud from the test, which we may never see that test ever again. Do we talk about this, guys? The S2.

Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen with the S2. But if you told me that players refused to take it, I would say, like, that makes sense. Don't you think GMs, though, because we had the guy on the show, and there was also that report that came out that said, like, Tepper especially, like, really believes in, like, there are a lot of, like, GMs that, like, I don't want to say live and die by it, but, like, isn't it possible that they require, or if, like, they're inquiring about picking a guy,

like, they want him to take that test? I think so. If a guy would say, all right, i don't want to fucking take this test and he's the best player in the country do you think they're gonna fucking no ass on this guy just because he don't want to take no but what if it's a guy at like 10 or 12 or you know like like like levis or something like that you know where it's like hey this guy could go in the top five or he could slide all the way to in the second round the second round. If you take this and you do well on it, then we're more inclined to maybe pick you in the top ten. I'm quite sure

Will Levis' score was way higher. Yeah, it probably was. Just as an example. I thought about this with private workouts. There were so few, unless we missed them. Tom, you may know more than I do, but like,

there were almost no private workouts this year where it used to be teams that fly across the country, workout 25 guys, right? Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's almost like agents are kind of like, that's not worth the risk. Is it top 30? Do the players work out at top 30 visits? Yeah.

Well, and three years ago, there were multiple pro days for, I mean, Trey Lance had a couple. I know Mac Jones and the Bama guys had a couple. They had to schedule more than one. Granted, that was a five-year first-round quarterback year, but this year there was a bunch of quarterbacks as well. But when I came out, Jim Swartz flew up. I was in Atlanta.

I'll never forget this. I had just the night before Magic City. Hey, look, man, I in atlanta i just want to see your hips can can i can i come see you literally made me at west lake this was on a sunday at like 2 30 by yourself you got to rest okay you drove all the way from nashville just to see me backpedal doing shit a week i think that was a week before the draft he said i just want to see you one more time true story and then you got dressed yeah yeah that's what she was you know wow but i haven't

heard anything about no private workouts lately one-on-one there was i mean there's some this year i think that you know covid changed a lot of different things because in 2020 you couldn't do any of the workouts and there were some teams that seemed to fundamentally change their thinking in terms of not that you don't need to do the work, but maybe it's overkill at some points. If you've got three years of tape on somebody like Pac, why do you need to come and see him backpedal in person? At some point your scouts went through there to the school.

There were definitely some teams that did it. I know Atlanta did some private workouts. I know the Colts wanted to work guys out privately at the quarterback position. The Colts did, right. Yeah. But not as many. And to get back to the original point on the S2. So there are definitely, I would say, some agents who are going to tell their clients

in the future, don't take the test. From a team perspective, scouts will always say they can explain better to their GM a bad score or a bad test number, not just on S2, but like 40-yard dash, bench, vertical, whatever. They can better explain a bad score than they can an empty box. And why didn't somebody do it? So there's always going to be that push-pull between what teams want to check every box and have the longitudinal comparisons to other guys 20 years ago and whatnot. And what players really need to do.

With CJ Stroud, I think the part of what it got twisted on was S2 is such a new test. It's been in use for like five years. There are some owners and GMs, like you guys said, who really believe in it. And there's others who just don't think it's that predictive, in part because they don't have the longitudinal data, but also just because there's all these other metrics and cj stroud's a perfect example i think one of the reasons this got miscast was people were claiming it was an intelligence test and it's not you guys

have the founder of it on here it measures all these different things about visual learning and your impulse control distraction control it's one element of it and.J. Stroud had gone in and struggled on the board, or people watched the tape and said, well, he's not processing, he's not getting from one to two to three, then those things would fit together. But every coach, every GM, every scout I talked to, the more time they spent with C.J. Stroud, the more they liked him. And he did a really good job on the board.

And his tape shows, say what you will about Ohio State quarterbacks in the past, but he does process. He does know how to get through his progressions within a play. So, in other words, you have this score, but part of the scouting process is, okay, what does it actually mean? It's not just, oh, he got whatever it was, and these guys got in the 90s. That means he's not going to be as good of a player. No, it's okay. That's different. What does it mean?

Do we have to teach differently? Is he going to learn the game differently? That's what S2 is actually designed to do is show you how does a guy learn the game? How do we best help him? And the Texans were one of the teams that really dug in, spent a lot of time with C.J. Stroud in person. They liked a lot of the different things. There were other things they had to get comfortable with,

just in terms of the early scouting a couple of years ago. Everything dialed up, and then it was just a matter of how do we, how do we make sure we get him and Will Anderson, which was another one of those conversations Ian and I had repeatedly on TV and off, which was the Texans are calling around in between three and 11. They could be looking to move back, but they also could be moving up from 12 to somewhere else. They ended up with two and three and they paid a pretty good premium to do it. Well, and instead of tests like that too, Pat just texted us,

Steichen went golfing with Will Levis, and Anthony Richardson, they went bowling. So there are other ways. Oh, I didn't know about the Anthony Richardson bowling one. Yeah, so there are other ways to get that type of stuff out of your players instead of just going and having them take a test, like actually kind of putting them to the test in a different sport,

just so you can see the competitiveness and like the bounce back and all that shit that they're trying to get out of, you know, a nine part. I think that guy said there were nine different categories in the battery. Yeah. Yeah. In the test. So it's like, there, there are other ways to do it. You don't have to like go sit in a room and fill out multiple choice. It's interesting. It's like where Shane Steichen comes from, Philly, obviously. Nick Sirianni is a big game player.

Yeah, exactly. Teams build culture so many different ways. I remember hearing with the Bengals, when they made their facilities better, part of the reason was they wanted a player's zone so players would just be around. Helps the culture. They want players to stay. They want to be in the building. Kind of like you guys here. I walk in, you guys are all here

like you slept here and are hanging out. That all shows. I showed up late. For you. I went on last night. You were hammer drunk at the bar. That shows too. That does show. Not entirely.

How often do you have to carry Ian home, Tom? That's a good question. or drunk at the bar. That shows too. Yes, it does show. Not entirely. How often do you have to carry Ian home, Tom? That's a good question. Tom? There are a few. He's pretty good overall. It's mainly because he'll go to the lightest of light beers early in the evening. You can sustain

that for a long period of time. That's called planning. Yeah, that's a veteran move. Yeah, it's like I'm way too drunk. I'm switching to beer. Yeah, that makes sense. Good call. Yep.

Someone asked me as I was driving here today about the Kentucky Derby. They're like, well, what was your level of intoxication? I'm like, I was fine because you spend the whole time being like, got to pace yourself, got to pace yourself. And then you're like, well, it's 630. Like, I've paced myself. Time to rip some shots. Let's go. Anyway. That's what AJ says about it too. pace yourself gotta pace yourself and then you're like well it's 6 30 like i've paced my time to rip some shots let's go anyway jules that's what aj that's what aj says about it too aj how was the derby aj it was sweet man it was great got to see a lot of good guys pack yeah you would do well

down there i think you would enjoy it you've been there yeah i've been once but it looked like y'all had a hell of a group on the pictures man man it's yeah that's part, man, getting around dudes that you haven't been around in a while. And some of the guys, like I never met Al Lazard. He's new to the crew. All of that thing, yeah, it was fun. It was fun to be together and to just hang out for two days and hang out with people you haven't really seen. What time did you flip the switch?

Like he says 6.30. What time did you flip the switch? See, my switch, like I feel, I don't know how old Ian is, but Ian, you are savage you can go like i can't go like you and just get blacked out for 10 straight hours and then recover and do it again exactly i'm not saying you can do that ian but i don't have that in me anymore i did at one point so yeah i figured out you know i got a nice little tempo and pace and smoke 10 to 20 cigars each day. I feel like when you're smoking cigars, that changes the calculus

because you only have one mouth. It's like, how much can you drink when you have a cigar in your mouth the whole time, right? You're right. I need more moth. I'll feel better after 20 beers than three beers and a cigar. 100%. You're a novice, though.

Whoa! Whoa! Error. You can drink novice, though. Whoa. Error. You can drink 20 beers, Tom? I'm saying if I drank 20 beers, if I start right now, drink one beer every 30 minutes for the rest of the night, I would feel better than if I had three beers and one cigar.

There's just something about it that gets me. Let's start right now. Go grab a beer. Get a beer. Right now. Although, are you working? I've got to be on TV in like six and a half hours. Let's start right now. Go grab a beer. Get a beer. Right now. Although, are you working? I've got to be on TV in like six and a half hours. That's all right.

You'll only have had like 14 beers by then. Yeah. He's fine. Tom also is in Minnesota, where he lives. Yeah. And where, by the way, he roots for the wrong team in Mighty Ducks. Did you guys know this? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

He's a Hawks fan tom yeah i don't have any idea why anybody roots for the mighty duck you son of a bitch because they're a complete product of some inane rules that nobody knew about they steal the best player from the other team they stomp out all his hopes and dreams he's never going to get a scholarship now because he's playing with these clowns who can barely be up on skates. Meanwhile, the Hawks... Tom. Tom. Slow down. They should be the ones and they're the true champ.

You're full of shit. First of all, Adam Banks does get a scholarship to Eden Hall Academy, which is in Minnesota. His freshman year, guess what? He's starting on the varsity. That's BS BS not to mention Coach Riley's a piece of shit you know it they're headhunting the guy

okay it's not worth winning if you can't win big are you kidding me what are we doing here I tell you what I did like you if your coach isn't popping the collar you have no chance you're not winning in Minnesota State high school hockey Bombay never lost in the

courtroom. He likes to tie a couple on. He gets a dewey. He's still okay with taking the limo out onto the ice because he knows when it's okay. Fucking Bombay. He grew up on the lake. This is unbelievable. I bet you were rooting for him.

What does Larson say when he checks Banks into the goal and he hurts his shoulder and he's down? What'd Larson say when he checks banks into the goal and he hurts his shoulder and he's down? What'd you do? My job. That's the mentality you gotta have if you want to survive. It is dog eat dog out there. I just, I, listen, I assume that he went to Han's funeral

and fucking kicked and spit on the casket too. Come on. What are we doing, Tom? That's why we root for the money. Han's the only reason anyone knew about the rules. So yeah, too. Come on. What are we doing, Tom? That's why we root for the money dust. Everyone knew about the rules. Screw Hans. Nobody else would have been talking about those weird borders and all that stuff. You sound like a commie.

He did. I'm a hawk. He is literally a hawk. You hear that, AJ? Probably a cake eater, too. I guess so. Different form. Jeez Louise. He grew up in Edina. Who killed Hans?

Tom killed Hans? He did actually grow up in Edina. That's where Banksy's from. That's where Banksy's from. That's right. If you know Mighty Ducks 2, go around the room. He died in Minnesota. Anyway, there's also a football team in Minnesota. There is.

Not as mean-hearted and evil as the one you root for, but the Vikings, who have been obviously a topic of conversation with a lot of different things, with the Z'Darrius Smith social media post that we have talked about and the potential dealing there or his future. We had the Dalvin Cook situation, which, you know, I know there was some talk about him, but it is still seems unresolved. Where are we on the like kind of outstanding Minnesota Vikings contract

things that still seem to be up in the air? At this point, there's really no urgency. You've carried their cap numbers this far. It's May. You don't have a lot of big expenditures here. So all options are on the table in those situations. Now, with Zedarius, I would think that ultimately he ends up playing someplace else. They're also not just going to give him away in a trade.

He announced his exit like over a month ago, said goodbye to Minnesota. Thanks for the memories. The Vikings were caught off guard. They definitely were not prepared for that post. No, no. And he's changed agents and he wants a new contract.

And he's at a point in his career where I certainly understand where you put up 10 sacks and you're thinking I should go and get one more payday. But he also signed a three-year contract with Minnesota. So that was going to take a while. The Daniil Hunter situation is another one you didn't even mention where he's on the books because he got money moved up last year. He's only on the books for I think 5 million or so in 2023. So at some point, something has to happen there, ideally a contract extension, but pass rushers are getting crazy money. Nick Bosa is going to get probably close to $30 million a year. So where does Neil Hunter fall in? He's still a young guy. He's had some injuries, but he showed last year he can come back. And even

though they had him dropping in coverage at times, he can still be productive. And then with Dalvin Cook, it's a situation where, you know, is there a scenario where he's on this team this year? Yeah, there is. It's a matter of just kind of how things play out in the coming months here. What, if anything, happens with his contract? Is there someplace else that potentially could end up? I hate to give a non-answer on it, but honestly, like it's moving parts and has been for a couple of months for a team that, remember, went 13-4 last year. Vikings won 13 games. They were good. They went to the playoffs. They were a pretty good team. They won a lot of close games, but they were very good situationally in Kevin O'Connell's first season.

You know, what do you make of them at this point? You know, are they a contender? Are they going to have to take a step back here? They did move on from some other, you know, older pieces, particularly on defense here, Adam Thielen as well on offense. It's going to be a really interesting year for Minnesota at a time that it seems like the NFC North is pretty wide open. you know older pieces uh particularly on defense here adam thielen as well on offense it's gonna be a really interesting year for minnesota at a time that it seems like the nfc north is pretty wide open there was one thing you didn't mention and i have a funny feeling that our friend ty schmidt who's gonna ask a question for you now might kind of fill in the blanks on that yeah

just curious tom uh what's going on with kirk cousins because i don't know if it's more media driven but you know like leading up to the draft a lot of people kind of penciled in the Vikings as like, oh, if Hennon Hooker's still there at the end of the first round, Minnesota might trade up and get him. I mean, the whole Will Levis thing they were talking about, maybe they go up and get him. And for whatever reason, like you mentioned, they did have their best year in a long time,

get embarrassed in the playoffs. But then after the season, all the stuff's coming out like, well, actually the Vikings were, you know, in the lower third of QBR and Kirk Cousins didn't really particularly perform well last year. And then he's kind of always had like the spat with the new GM when he came in and they asked him how he feels about Kirk Cousins. And he was like, well, he's not exactly Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers. He definitely is not.

Yeah, just a weird thing to say when you first get the job. But, like, is it kind of all the writing's on the wall? Like, if they don't win the Super Bowl this year or go to, like, an NFC championship, then Kirk Cousins is probably done in Minnesota? Let's start with this. So there were all those draft rumors. And as you guys know and me and

Ian certainly know like half of those are just completely wrong and a lot of the stuff with the Vikings trading up for the quarterbacks was proven wrong because you know Will Levis was sitting there when the Vikings pick came up at number 23 and they didn't take them they were making calls about moving up very high in the draft but my understanding is that was for one player and that was Bryce Young, who ended up going number one. And so there wasn't any possibility for Minnesota to go get him. They knew he wasn't going to be a Minnesota Viking.

And then so the focus really turned toward getting another weapon for the offense in the draft, whether that be a wide receiver or a running back. They ended up with Jordan Addison, who should be a really good fit. They think he's an elite type of route runner. Can be a really good complement to Justin Jefferson there. And then with the quarterback, yeah, I mean, ideally, would you like a situation where you've got a guy who's developing? It's what the Lions did when they eventually took Hendon Hooker in the third. He can sit behind Jared Goff.

He's not going to be healthy anyway. Yeah, I mean, you would like that. The Vikings took Jaron Hall from BYU. He's an interesting player. A lot of coaches love his tape. He's just a smaller guy who's had a ton of injuries and he's a little bit older. That's really what caused him to drop it. They did draft him. With Cousins, you know, there were contract talks about an extension. It's just last year, Kirk Cousins signed a one-year extension, which

gave the Vikings flexibility to do exactly what they did, which was explore their options, decide Kirk Cousins right now is our best option, and roll with him in 2023. So Kirk was never going to take another short-term type of a deal, another one-year extension. It just didn't make a lot of sense. And for the Vikings, do you want to make a four or five-year commitment right now to a player who had 36? He did perform at a pretty high level last year, particularly in crunch time. You look at his numbers in the big situations, the comeback wins, the fourth quarter, he was pretty good. They're keeping their options open. And this also allows Kirk now for the first time after the season, if he plays well or if he doesn't,

whatever the situation is, he then can go out to the market and find out for the first time really since 2018, what is the market for Kirk Cousins as opposed to trying to negotiate extensions in a vacuum with Minnesota. Yeah, Tom, I just want to give you kind of a heads up because you probably haven't seen it yet, but people are in fact calling you a scumbag for that Hawks take. Aside from that, though. As they should. As they should.

Sorry, do you have a Hawks jersey? You should rock that like regularly. I do not, but now I'm thinking about it and I might have to get one. No, you probably shouldn't. People are like, Hawk Loogies on you and stuff. That would be rude for your living experience. But you mentioned Justin Jefferson. Are they about to offer him, and you mentioned Nick Bosa, $30 million.

Is Justin Jefferson going to get $30 million into the maybe low $40 million if we're looking at wide receiver markets right now and then are they going to try and get in there before Jamar Chase and those type of guys are going to get their deals or vice versa are the Bengals going to try and pay you know T Higgins and Jamar early so that they don't have to match something that Justin Jefferson might get the Vikings plan sometime here in the next year, they're going to make Justin Jefferson one of, if not the highest paid receiver in the NFL, as they should.

It's a matter of, you know, how does Justin Jefferson approach this negotiation, knowing that, you know, he's put in three years, which you just look statistically compared to the all-time greats. I mean, he's up there. He's doing stuff that no one's ever done in the NFL. If I'm the Vikings, I'm reading the room here. A lot of these big wide receiver contracts have been three-year deals with strong guarantees. The sweet spot right now at this moment to get a Justin Jefferson deal done might be like three years, $90 million, with the majority of it fully guaranteed.

Then it's a matter of Justin Jefferson, if they're willing to go there. And I'm not saying that's crazy. Fully guaranteed. Then it's a matter of Justin Jefferson, if they're willing to go there. And I'm not saying that they are, but if they're willing to go there, Jefferson's got to weigh that out of, do I take that money now and start the money train rolling, which would make sense at his age, this early in his career. He's made first-round pick money, but not huge, huge money. Get the payday now. Or do I keep pushing it and gain better leverage

and maybe get an even bigger deal once that wide receiver market ends up settling. Yeah, just like the quarterbacks, there's always going to be a race, particularly among certain GMs who want to get in early, do the deal, even though it'll be the highest paid ever, but they know four or five guys are going to get paid over that next year and their contracts will end up looking not nearly as crazy. So I would totally anticipate the Vikings at some point in the relatively near future approach Justin Jefferson about big-time money, but I would be surprised at this point if that contract doesn't have a three

in front of it in average per year. Wow. Damn. I mean, and that's where it's headed. That's where it's headed last offseason. Yeah, exactly. A lot of money. A lot of money.

Yeah, Tone Diggs got a question for you. Tom, staying in the uh nfc north i saw some rumblings potentially about golf getting a new deal i know they drafted hooker but it sounds like that's going to be a couple years um do you think that that'll get done this off season or see how he uh plays next off this next season then next off season they'll look at if they want to give him a deal or not i mean mean, when I talked to Dan Campbell in late March, he could not have been more effusive about how much he believes in Goff. Goff's our guy, man.

Like, look what he's done, the toughness. But they've got him at what looks like a relatively reasonable deal. Part of that, it was such an interesting trade that they made with the Rams because basically the Rams had to offload Goff's contract because he was not going to be a member of the team anymore. It had a huge guaranteed number. And so in the end, the calculus was two first round picks in Goff with Stafford going back to LA. That's how they had to make the numbers work. But for the Lions and for Brad Holmes, who had been with Goff in LA,

they always thought this guy's got the potential to get back to being a pretty good NFL quarterback, which he had been in the early times with Sean McVay before things went sideways. And you look at Goff last year, remember Dan Campbell called him out his first year there. It was like midway or three quarters of the way through the season. He was emotional and impressed, kind of said, I need more. I need more from him. And that could have been the end. I think we were all sitting there going, is Goff about to get benched? Is this, you know, they're going to end up having to release

him? But really, Jared Goff rose to the challenge there. And they've built such a culture and they've put so many weapons around him. You've seen Jared Goff play over the last year and changed pretty good football, coinciding with Ben Johnson, who's now the OC and will be a head coach after this year. Probably would have been a head coach this year if he hadn't told the teams that he was out because he wanted to stay in Detroit. It's all lined up. It's kind of like how it was with Sean McVay in those early days. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a possibility of an extension. It's just a matter of, you know, what are the numbers on that? What makes sense in terms of bridging that to the next quarterback? Is it a-year extension there's a lot of things they gotta work through uh last thing for you uh before

we get to the last thing pac-man what you got um i'm just asking about kirk again he had 14 interceptions you said that he's the guy you don't think that y'all should go in the uh i shouldn't say the portal but uh it's a lot of good quarterbacks that's coming out next year do you really think that kirk cousin can make the plays to get them over the hump because right now jeff jeff is arguably one two or three you know he's open all you gotta do is get him the fucking ball it just don't seem like kirk can read the coverage when when the game is on the line in the big-time games. Here's what I would say to that, Pac, is they won 13 games last year with a historically bad defense.

They were awful defensively. They fired their coordinator. They brought in Brian Flores, who I think is going to be a big deal. Part of that was Kirk Cousins was pretty efficient. Again, were they number one in points and yards? They was good in defense when they had Mike Zimmer. He fucking choked again.

They was really good with Zimmer there on defense. That's the thing that Kirk Cousins is always going to have to get over. The biggest games, the biggest moments. I think that to a degree, he's answered that because in some of the primetime games, fourth quarters, overtime, he's played well really over the last couple of seasons here.

But you're right. I mean, that's every quarterback. And I've talked with Kirk about that before. And the way that he always put it was every time you climb a mountain, everybody's just going to say, okay, what's the next mountaintop you got to get to? He won a playoff game several years ago against the Saints. And then since then, it's okay, can you make the deeper run? Can you elevate the team?

I think that where Kirk Cousins stands right now, and when Quacey said the thing about, you he's not until you have a i think he framed it as until you have a patrick mahomes or an aaron rogers you're still searching for that guy is kirk cousins an elite nfl quarterback i don't think anybody's going to argue that he should be in the top five but he's probably in the top 10 or borderline every year if you just look at the efficiency numbers on it and so you're kind of trapped in the, is it good enough? Can we get over the hump with him? The Vikings seem to believe they can win with him here.

They may not be winning because of him all the time. And that 2024 draft is, I mean, the way the teams within the league look at it right now, whether it's Caleb Williams or Drake May or some of the other quarterbacks, you are going to have now this could all change right last year it was you know if the draft were in 2022 Will Levis would have been a top pick the draft for the year before Sam Howell would have been a top pick these things can change going into 2023 there's a belief within the league that some really really good quarterbacks are going to come out of that which is why it's not a surprise to see certain teams gaining extra draft capital in 2024 through draft week to maybe set themselves up to go and get

those guys which is also i believe going to play out on trade deadline too uh all right tom this has been awesome and we appreciate your time which i mean you don't have anything else to do honestly um but i mean we appreciate it but listen the football stuff is cool that is obviously not why we brought you on here what? it's not Tom, you may or may not have seen

Tom plays the guitar and I would never want to put you on the spot but since I told you that we're not going to have you on unless you play guitar for us. I don't recall. Why would you say something like that?

Mostly what I say. Can you just play for us? Can you show us that you can rip it a little bit? Can you sing too? So Ian did this whole thing. He texted me this morning and said alright, can you just come on and play something? Just make it something good.

So I figured we're better off trying. We'll see how it goes. We don't have much of a delay here. With a little sing-along. So I had to think of, you know, what song am I confident that you guys will know? And I figure it's probably the song that the first time Ian revealed that I was, you know, played with some punk bands,

that maybe we'd play the song you guys were singing along with that day. I'll see if you remember it. So sing it with me. Ty, Connor, AJ, all you guys. I know you know it. All the small things. Cheers. True friends.

I'll be. I'll be. One day. We're talking. Go around. Best trip. Always. I know. I'll be one of them. We're talking about best trip always. I know you'll be at my show. Watching, waiting, commiserating.

Say it so I will not go. Turn the lights off. Carry me home. Turn the lights off. Carry me home. Na, na, na, That's it. Fair enough. Goodbye. Acoustic legend. We were kind of stepping over him with the signal. It was hard to do. Not easy.

AJ didn't open his mouth once, which was kind of a bummer. Can you imagine if I would have told you? We wouldn't have heard anything if I tried to jump in there. We couldn't hear anything either way. Yeah, same. You know the step-on we couldn't hear anything either way. What do you? Well, yeah. You know the step-on delay? I have like a super small delay, too, so it would have messed him up.

I don't want to mess Tom up. He's great. He can shred on the guitar. We know that. He was crushing it. Yeah. That was good. Is he still playing bands right now?

He's still touring and playing in bands? Rock band. There's a band that he's kind of like friendly with that will, like, He'll go to their shows and jump on stage and play like several times. Pearl Jam? Three Doors Down? That's sweet. It's called Pew Pew Pew or something like that. The All-American Rejects?

No, you're thinking of the Cardinals head coach. Shots, shots. Explosives. Shots. Kid Rock? It's something. He's a kid guy. He wrote all summer long, I think.

Tom did. What's that? I'm pretty sure he wrote all summer long. And we the people. Did he ride the penis spaceship up in the sky? No, that was Kid. Kid insisted. No stunt double.

I'm going to do this myself. Yeah. That was like a TC move, pretty much. Yeah. Oh, my God. Which Kid, I mean Kid TC. They're kind of their own right in their own category that's a good point all right i think i need a break okay that's fine

that's okay i need a break you need a break you need to get some booze in you we know it is it's not even one o'clock you think i would have a drink yeah yeah i do i'm not going to, but I would. All right. Nobody leave. Don't do anything. Someone's getting a call. Yeah, is that your phone? Am I getting a call? Is the GM right now calling you? Am I getting a call?

What's happening? No. You can always hear the buzzing through the mic. Something else is vibrating in somewhere. AJ. AJ. AJ. Is that right?

There's a lot of electronics in there. What do you guys think I'm talking about? Well, we know what you're inferring. Okay. The servers and such. These are the kind of things that I just, they offend me a little bit. What's that? I got to say.

Listening to you guys. Anyway. What are you talking about? I need a break. AJ is back. What's up, AJ? Ian, how you doing? How was your break?

Did you get to relieve yourself or what? I got some coffee, which is the only thing. I think he forgot he was hosting the show. What do you doing? How was your break? Did you get to relieve yourself or what? I got some coffee, which is the only thing. I think he forgot he was hosting the show. Yo, we all sitting up here like, what the hell is Ian? No, I'll be still back there. Did he forget about he's hosting the show? Maybe he took some squats or something. Pacman's here too, by the way.

Thank you, Pacman. Appreciate it. I don't like any of you guys. So what I do like, that's called a segue. Nice segue. I would like to welcome our second guest, but obviously our best guest,

considering Tom Pilser was the other one. Yeah, he's our mark. Yeah. Can't believe you said that about the Mighty Ducks still. Sorry. It was aggressive. Grant Hill, the NBA on TNT analyst, who is calling the Nuggets-Suns game tonight. Yeah, Grant!

Awesome. What's up, Grant? Also a national champion at a school called Duke. Ever heard of it? Yeah, Duke. Yeah. So, Grant, we got a lot. First of all, thanks for coming on.

We got a lot to get to here. A lot of good bad i feel like these playoffs have been wild hell yeah um you the the duke legacy you being from duke winning there and that part of is that how often does that come up i'm just curious because like for me and i'm sorry to say this but when i I think of you, I think of Duke still. Is that like how much of that every day is part of like who you are and what you do? That's a great, great question and a great point. It comes up a lot.

And what's surprising is that, you know, a year from now, I will have been gone from Duke for 30 years. A year from now, I will have been gone from Duke for 30 years. And so all of, you know, all of those moments, all of those games and fortunate to be a part of some iconic moments. And that was over 30 years ago. And surprisingly, you know, people still remember, you know, still remember that. I even get young people who identify, you know, identify me with duke not saying that you're not young but i'm just saying people who weren't around uh who weren't born when i was playing at duke but for some reason associate me with uh you know with that so it's pretty and maybe part of that is because i you know i cover march madness and the final four and all that so it's kind of a constant reminder but i i get it a lot. Maybe not daily, but certainly quite often.

Could be worse places to be associated with. True. So you got Nugget Sons, which obviously they play tonight at 10 p.m. I will stay up late and watch every second of it. There you go. Probably. If I fall asleep, I will keep the channel on just for ratings and such. Smart.

I'm just curious. When you get this, this is a great series and has been a great series. When you get this assignment, you got the fist pump, and then when you got a little controversy and suspension, not suspension, this has got to be primetime good stuff, right? It is. I think all the games, all the series in the second round have been incredible. And so as we were sort of looking, okay, what could possibly be the case?

Denver, Phoenix, you got New York, Miami, Boston, Philly, Golden State, LA. It was like, man, they're all great. When we got assigned to Denver, my partner Spiro Didis and I, we were thrilled. You got Jokic, Jamal Murray, number one seed in Denver. And then you got Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, Phoenix, how Booker has played. The offensive shot creating in this series by Devin Booker, by Nikola Jokic, Jamal Murray, Kevin Durant. It has been out of this world. It's like this has been a treat to cover this series, and certainly tonight, Game 5, here in Denver. Denver won the first two at home.

Phoenix, you know, they returned the favor, tied the series up. Now we have a series. But, I mean, this is one of those series that you get up for and you look forward to for sure. AJ's got a question for you. AJ? Grant, how would you ever slow down or stop Jokic when he kind of just lumbers around the court,

looks like he's never going full speed, even though, like, everything he does is so skilled, especially how big he is. What can you do to stop this guy? You know, there's not much you can do. You know, he has really kind of reimagined and redefined, I guess, what the center position can do. You know, he's a walking triple-double. He passes as good of a facilitator as we've ever had in the NBA. He's not a great athlete. He doesn't wow you with speed and athleticism, but he's strong. He's very skilled. He's got an incredible feel for the game.

Right now, Phoenix is opting to play him one-on-one because he can beat you with the pass as well. He's maybe more dangerous getting other people involved and getting 25 points. He had 50-something the other day. The two career playoff highs that he's had have been losses. career playoff highs that he's had have been losses. Game four on Sunday at Phoenix, and then game four in the previous series against Minnesota. He went for 40-something in that game. I don't know the exact number, but no one else got involved,

and it was just him. And so it'll be interesting to see what adjustments are made. I think Phoenix is going to continue to play him straight up, but will Michael Malone, will Jokic really try to get other people going, other people involved? Denver, I believe, are at their best when collectively six guys, seven guys in double figures, high double figures, and really that starts with Jokic finding people. But in the last two games, in order to win, he's had to go out and score. And he's been unstoppable. But it just quite hasn't been enough for Denver to secure those wins.

We were talking about this yesterday. It has been amazing. And maybe it's always like this, but it feels like even more so this year. That, like, these superstars have emerged even more so and, like, taken the ball and made sure that when it's all on the line, like, they're the ones we're watching. Tone Diggs has a question for you. Yeah, to that point, so game three, Booker goes for 40, KD goes for 40-plus.

They both go for 40-plus. No other player on the Suns team had more than 10 points, and I thought to myself, there's no way that they can continue to this and continue to win games, and then the same thing happened in game four. Is that a recipe for success for the Suns? Can they just rely on them both to get 40 and then no one else scores more than 10? Well, yes. I mean, well, first of all, in game four, the two of them combined for 72 points. Now, the bench for Phoenix played very well. The best performance they've had in the postseason in that game for victory. 40 bench points, obviously led by Landry Shaman,

who came off the bench, hit five three-pointers, had a huge fourth quarter. Denver said, look, we're going to double team Booker. We're going to double team Durant. We're going to dare somebody else from the Suns to beat us. And sure enough, Landry Shaman stepped up. He scored 14 of Phoenix's 31 points in the fourth quarter and really was sort of the unsung hero there. Now, can he do it again on the road? That remains to be seen. Can he do it again on the road? That remains to be seen. But there's an old adage in the NBA, you know, your bench players will play well at home, but your stars have to go win you a game on the road. And so what adjustments Michael Malone does, does he stay double teaming? Does he continue to dare somebody else to beat them? And then conversely, does his bench play better? Does Denver's bench, does somebody from Denver's bench

or somebody from the complimentary players of Denver step up and have a great moment, a big moment, much like Landry Shaman did for Phoenix in Game 4? So, look, the stars, the duos, you know, Jokic and Murray, they combined for 81 points in game four. As I said, Durant and Booker had 72 points. Both set of stars shot collectively over 60. I mean, these guys, the star power, how they're delivering is off the charts. It may come down to the complimentary guys, the bench guys, the role players.

Can they step up, like I said, like Shammott did? And that could be the difference here as we finish up the series. Yeah, Grant, to that point too, especially with, you know, Booker and Durant performing so well, a lot of people have said, you know, Chris Paul going out might have obviously didn't help the Suns, but it's kind of changed the game and they're playing a little faster. Maybe, you know, they're not better off without him, but do you think him being out allowed for guys like Landry Schammett

to get a little more burn in the game? Because I remember in the Clippers series, he really wasn't playing that much, and then this opportunity has kind of arose because of the fact that Chris Paul hurt his groin, and I do believe he's out game five again. Do you think that him being on the side, kind of watching the team success these last two games might end up helping them in the long run because he's seeing, oh, okay, they might play a little better if we start pushing the ball more?

Yeah, that's a great, great point. It really has been a huge difference in this series. Look, every series takes on a personality of its own, has its own story, storyline, if you will. Phoenix, during the regular season, was in last place in the NBA in fast break points. During the postseason, they're leading the NBA in fast break points, and they've averaged 19 fast break points in the last two games, games three and games four.

They had 43 fast break points in those two games. Devin Booker has scored 27 of those fast break points himself and had 15 fast break points himself in game four. So what they're essentially doing is, yes, the pace has changed. Chris Paul is more of a methodical, walk it up player. He's certainly older now, not the young player he was years ago. But I think they've made a decision to really push the ball, try to get easy scoring opportunities before Denver's defense can get back and get set. And it's worked really, really

well. That pace has really bothered Denver. Denver wants to be able to get back, set up their defense, get stops, and then they want to get out and run. And Denver led the NBA in the regular season in transition points, but they haven't been able to get out and run off of their defense because Phoenix is running back at them. And so you got to get stops to be an effective running team. And right now, Denver is not getting stops in part because Booker is playing at an elite level, but also collectively they are running and getting easy baskets against this Nuggets attack defensively. That's probably why Phoenix has been so fun to watch. Pac-Man has a question for you.

The Lakers, they came in with a play-in game. No one midway through the season would have even thought they were made the playoffs because they wasn't doing pretty good. LeBron made all of these changes. My question, we was talking a couple days ago about who era it is. Is it Steph era or is it LeBron made all of these changes. My question, we was talking a couple of days ago about who era it is. Is it Steph era or is it LeBron era? And I think we had the conversation and said whoever wins a ring this year, it would be their era. What is your take on the Steph and LeBron era?

And how do you think the Lakers are going to finish out with this series? Well, I mean, first of all, you're spot on about a lot of people sort of counting out the Lakers. And they've kind of figured it out. You know, I mean, AD has been up and down. But really the complementary players, Austin Reeves, you saw Lonnie Walker last night stepped up, played well. I thought that trade they made, as you alluded to,

really made a difference and kind of gave this team some hope in the stretch run. And now in the playoffs, they had a gritty performance in the round one against the Grizzlies. And they've they've played very, very well, you know, getting a win at, you know, at Golden State. Tough, tough win last night for them. You know, legacies are, I mean, it's all very subjective. You know, I think winning this series, whoever wins this series, and if one of these teams were to go win a championship, I don't know how much it impacts LeBron's legacy. Like, I like to think that his legacy is pretty much cemented.

I think it may impact Curry's legacy in a way. Now you kind of catapult him into that conversation. Five rings. You know, LeBron, I mean, they both have been great. They both have sort of owned the last 10 years. LeBron's probably owned 20 years or maybe 15 years because he's had a longer career. 20 years or maybe 15 years because he's had a longer career. But, you know, I think this is kind of like the last.

It feels like the last hurrah for both of them. Steph had a great run last year winning a championship. Everyone thought they were out. Everyone thought L.A. was out, you know. And so we'll see how this kind of plays out. But if LeBron, you know, if he were to take this team and win, I mean, yeah, it would be icing on the cake for him. And now he has five rings.

You know, he's caught Kobe. He's caught Magic. He's won behind Jordan. You know, but in terms of who, I don't know. I mean, you know, I think it depends on where you live and who's your favorite player. I just think as fans, as broadcasters, as members of the media, what you guys do, we're all just very fortunate that we've been able to witness both of them do incredible things.

And we've witnessed them compete against one another. And as they've gotten older now, they're still competing against one another. And it's must-see TV for sure. We've got two more for you before we let you get out of here and go do your real job. Ty Schmidt has a question for you. Grant, when you look at the playoffs as a whole, obviously playing your best basketball is a big part of going into the playoffs.

But growing up watching it and when you were playing in the league, it seemed a lot more so that you very rarely saw an 8 eight seed or a seven seed beat the the higher seed and and now it seems and granted the lakers are a little bit different because they have two of the best players on the planet on their team but like when you look at the heat do you think the kind of the way the nba is is that changing a little bit where seeds don't quite matter as much. And an eight seed, if they are playing their best basketball going in, I guess the chances of an eight seed or a seven seed upsetting a top seed and moving deep into the playoffs, has that increased in the last couple of years when the talent disparity is kind of way more spread out over the league?

You make a great point. You certainly didn't see that back in the day. You see more of that. It looks like there's greater parity, less – there's certainly between 1-8, 1-9, 1-10, less – there's not as drastic, I guess, of a differential. But I also think you have to factor in one of the changes from 25, 30 years ago. You know, this whole load management thing and resting players and being very, very conservative and very careful and guarded over the course of 82 games.

You don't really get a chance to see a team like a team like Miami. They missed a lot of time sort of due to injuries if you will um but you know and so their record may have been you know taking a hit and they made they had to get into the play-in game to get into the you know to the playoffs and so on and so forth but you know what this team was when healthy and we really didn't get a a you know a large sample size of this entire, shoot, they're still not healthy. Tyler Hero's out, which is even more incredible what they're doing. But you almost get the feeling that Miami was just trying to hold on, trying to just get to

the postseason. And once they got to the postseason, they felt like, you know what, this core has been there before. In two of the three years prior to this year, this core has been to the conference finals. One more win, they're back to the conference final for the third time in four years. So they understand what it takes. They have the institutional knowledge. It's just almost for them. Just get to the postseason. Like, let's just figure out, let's stay in contention. Let's make sure we're in the seedings and we can get there. And now you get a chance to really see.

And then Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler's a different player in the postseason than what he is in the regular season. So I think that plays a little bit of a role. Guys didn't miss as much basketball way back. And this is not an indictment on today's game. I think it just sort of speaks to like, you got a better sense of a team and who they were throughout the regular season, 25, 30 years ago.

Now it's hard to tell because guys have missed so much basketball. You don't really get your full roster until it really matters in the post season. Last question, Tone. Yeah, Grant, was it a bigger honor to be and to work with Tim the Toolman Taylor or Nickelback? Oh, man. That was kind of a backhanded compliment tied into a question. No, no, no. That was not backhanded questions compliment you know low with the you know tied into a question no no no that

was that was not backhanded anyway i would love we are huge nickelback fans here and i think even bigger tim the tool man taylor fans yeah okay all right so you know i got to know my audience so nickelback just so just you know i don't want to lose my street cred nickelback their manager my wife's management something my wife's a singer so i kind of got you know into that and that was kind of cool i it took nickelback to get me into a music video i couldn't believe my wife couldn't get me in one ridiculous but i gotta go with tim tim the tool man that was a big show back he was in detroit he was like kind of in the Detroit area. I played for the Pistons. So that was my first TV sitcom guest appearance, and I got to play myself.

So it was cool. That was awesome. We love that show. We're big. Part of a classic moment. I mean, that's – I have not had a – have any of you guys had it? Pac? Pac, have you had a cameo?

No. There you go. Grant Hill, thank you very much for hanging out with us. Enjoy tonight. We will be watching. And thanks for coming on. I appreciate you guys. Big fans of your show.

There you go. Thank you. That was nice that he said that, but I kind of felt weird about being like, all right, because I'm just like. Yeah, he wasn't talking about. No, right. I mean, he's kind of like big fans of your show. I think he was talking about Pat's show. Correct.

But he wasn't talking to any of us. Maybe AJ. Could be AJ. Pat's been a great agent. You're on it. Ian, you're on it like three days a week. Come on now. That's true.

Not anymore. Now we got to tell him what the fuck is going on because he's just boozing and doing nothing. That's true. He was great. Oh, yeah. He's always great. He's awesome on the call, too. Yeah.

No, obviously, I'm- Oh, I know you know that. Yeah. You're just piggybacking on what you were saying. I just enjoy that we got a really good breakdown. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I will watch tonight and be like, well, he's scoring a lot of points,

but is he getting his teammates involved? Why are they not doubling him? Okay, I get it now. That was really good. And that thing he said about the playoffs where bench players will win your home games and superstars got to win your road games, that's genius. I mean, obviously it's probably something that everybody knows. As someone who hasn't been dialed into the basketball this year, games that that's genius I mean obviously it's probably something that everybody knows as someone

who hasn't been dialed into the basketball this year it feels more so even relevant because when you look at you know the Bucks got eliminated and Jimmy Butler had 45 points even though left goal told us to take the under and then when you look at you know some of the other big games that are coming up especially like the Lakers are 3-1 right now. If LeBron or AD goes for 35, 40 points on the road against the Warriors to close it out, that would be unbelievable. Same deal last night. Lonnie Walker, he scores 15 points. I don't know how many he had in the fourth quarter.

Back to back to back. Yeah, exactly. 2-2. And then if he can do that on the road against – I mean, he won't. How do you know? Because Grant just said it. LeBron and AD got to have a big game at Golden State. And maybe Austin Reeves shows up and becomes a superstar.

Boom. Well, I hope it happened this week. I mean, there instead of having him come back home. I want this shit to go ahead and get over with. Well, that's because you might have to shave half your head. Fuck up! home. I want this shit to go ahead and get over. Well, that's because you might have to shave half your head. Fuck up!

Let's assume that people have not been dialed in every second of this show, which I have. Of course. Can someone explain why this very well-coiffed man might have to shave his head? So this is all on Pac-Man. Tone is my lawyer.

No, I'll let Connor explain first. So what happened was, after the Lakers won game one in Golden State, we were just hanging out out there before the show, just shooting the shit, and Pac-Man said, hey, if they go up two games, I'll shave half my head. Completely unwarranted. Not like, I bet you, I

bet this. Take off two games and lose. Yeah, exactly. Go up two games and lose the series. And so we just said, okay, whatever, and then came to the show, and he reiterated it. And now a lot of people might not know, but if stuff gets said out there all the time, but you bring it up here, then it's said. You will be held accountable. Yes, it is real.

Because it's public record. Nick showed Pac-Man a photo today when James Connors was at the Steelers. It was 100 yards and two touchdowns, right, Nick? And then you had to shave your head like he had his haircut? Yeah, it was a great tribute to the man who put on a show opening week and beat the hell out of the Browns. Bingo. And Nick put that out there on the internet.

And once you do that, you got to do it if it happens. And Pac-Man said, sitting in that spot, Pat standing behind that desk, if the Lakers go up two games and they lose the series, I will shave half of my head. And so now, 3-1, the Lakers are finally up two games, going back to Golden State, and now we're in the territory where Pac-Man might have to shave his head. Half of it.

Excuse me. He called for me to be his lawyer because I originally thought I heard if they go up 2-0. That's what I thought. That's what I said. It was a series. Me too. We came back in. Everybody told me in the fucking back, hey, Pac, you ain't got to worry about it.

The bet is over. Now this asshole is like, yo, you remember what you said? I'm like, bro, I did not say he got a clip. I don't know what this AI shit that he's on. No, no. I did not talk to AI. I did not talk to AI about this. You did talk to AI. Pat, on his reel, I think talk might have made it,

he put out a video, and in the video, which again, what we say over there, and you might have said that over there, but guess what? No one gives a fuck about what you said off off this off the stage i was i didn't know if he also because yes that cliff does take two seconds of him saying if they go up two games well but i didn't know about it because lebron them not we would have to look to see if on stage he said 2-0 or just two games well pack you also picked a 2-0 you picked a great lawyer because tone once said that if the Lakers won the championship that season,

he was going to shave every hair on his body. Guess how many hairs I shaved on my body? Fucking none. That's not good. Huh? That's not good. No, it was in the bubble. Bubble didn't count.

Yeah, Tony. Mickey Mouse champion. Bubble don't count. Bubble don't count. It is unbelievable. I watched COVID. I watched any little sporting. It is unbelievable. I watched COVID. I watched any little sporting event I could watch. We had to.

I treated that Bulls documentary like it was freaking playoff game. Seriously? It was. I mean, I was like, cannot wait for the next. It was amazing how many people are like, yeah, that bubble basically didn't happen. Like for LeBron, it's like, yeah, well, I guess you won, but like it was in the bubble, so it's whatever. Yeah, which is kind of ridiculous.

That's just all haters, Ian. It counts, bro. It definitely counts. It counts, bro. Haters say that, and then especially when you look at the championship the year after where the Bucs won, in the bubble, there really weren't any injuries. Like every team was damn near fully healthy,

and there are no distractions so it really is just basketball the reason people say that is because there were dudes like tj warren who were scoring 45 points a game and everyone was saying how the fuck does this happen uh but then the next year basically every single team was littered with injuries and then the bucks went on and won so everyone's like like the real champion was the bubble champs because that was the most locked in every team was or anything like that. No injuries, but yeah, people just make that excuse because of the Brown one. You could also argue that it was the toughest championship to ever win

because these guys had to stay in hotel rooms for 50 days, exiled from their families, couldn't do anything outside of play. It was like they were talking about, yeah we can go play golf and go to the pool like they're fucking 12 year olds on vacation it's like after one day like all right this is bullshit i'm living in a 28 000 square foot mansion and now i'm in a 400 square foot hotel room exactly i heard a lot of players were purposely losing so they get out of the bubble so they'd get to their homes. Yeah, because they didn't want to be in the bubble anymore. I mean, the bubble did not sound fantastic.

No, it didn't. I mean, I guess if you had enough things to entertain you. Well, that's basically what the NBA said. They're like, stop bitching. There's a game room with ping pong. You know, Lou Wilhite had to go get them lemon peppers. From Magic City? Yeah. I forget someone else.

Sean stayed in the bubble? He said he was, yeah. Yeah. Like either last night or the next night. You're not in or out, right? You were either in the bubble or you weren't. Yeah. No, he had a funeral to go to.

Who? So he had a funeral to go to. Lou had a funeral to go to, but he happened to stop by Magic City. You got to eat. Monday was one of the best nights of the past week. I remember that. They had some good wings. Yeah, to get wings.

They had the wristband trackers because there was something that happened. I think it was like the third day they were in there or whatever, and a dude from the Kings or the Magic or something ordered DoorDash and broke the barrier of where you're supposed to be. Threw it over the wall or something. Yeah, no, it was like the front gates, and he crossed the barrier that you couldn't go past just to pick up

the food and they got back in and they're like alright, you gotta get the fuck out of here. You broke protocol. So that's lemon pepper loo. So it's lemon pepper and hot sauce or what is that? It looks like lemon pepper wings. It's heaven. Barbecue wings and some hot wings.

Look for our shrimp over there. Oh, shit. barbecue wings and some hot wings a little fried shrimp over there oh I don't love the lemon pepper wings don't tell Lou Will that

Lou Will gonna smack you in the mouth you must not have Magic City wings I've never been to Magic City you gotta take a trip I don't know about that

I'm not that's not that's gonna take us later this year we're all gonna go on a field trip you wanna come wear your mesh shorts.

Why? Why is that? Going to a dance club. I had a buddy that would wear a white t-shirt and red Ohio State mesh shorts to a place where ladies may dance on them. I was like, that's a bold move. I haven't seen too many people do that.

What a move by General. Yeah, Bob Carpenter. Not Bob for the record. I did not play football with this guy. Andy Katzenmoor? Andy can do whatever he wants. He's the strongest human alive. That's awesome.

What is he doing now? Katz? Yeah. I believe he breaks down college basketball. Andy Katz? Andy Katz does, yes, for the Big Ten Network. Andy Katzenmoormoyer a different player different player he was unbelievable that's what I mean he had a moment as an Iowa fan too I remember

him on the cover of Sports Illustrated and then when AJ remember the article do you remember what the article was about uh I was pretty young so I don't remember reading it per se did you write it I didn't write it no I I, I used to do some real writing back in the day, but it's been a minute. No, it was all these quotes about how he was basically taking all these BS classes and he was only there to play football.

Look at that neck roll. Yeah, boom. Up to the sky. I mean, he's like 17 in that picture. He looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame. Could run a 4'4 and jump 48 inches and hang clean. Can still hang clean like 5'05 probably for 10. Is that a sick barbed wire tattoo? Of course it is.

Hell yeah. A lot of kids in Ohio got barbed wires because of him. Really? Yeah, you did. What was the... Almost, hey, closest I ever got. Andy, a big reason, I almost did, man. I almost went multiple times to get a barbed wire.

I did not, though. How much younger were you than him? Same age. I'm probably almost did, man. I almost went multiple times to get a barbed wire. I did not, though. How much younger were you than him? Same age. About eight years, maybe. Okay. So he was the guy you all kind of grew up. I mean, he was just such a monster when he was there. And then actually, he came back.

He got his neck fused. He broke his neck, got it fused. Yeah. Tried to come back, couldn't really do it. I don't know if he got it. He broke his neck when he was with the Patriots. But it fused. Tried to come back, couldn't really do it. I don't know if he got it. He broke his neck when he was with the Patriots, but he was in one of my classes actually early on when he came back to school. It would have been sweet if now I'm like, this is going to be awesome.

I don't know if a player needs to do this now, but like a few decades ago, maybe late 90s, if someone would have got a cowboy collar fused to their spine so that they always wore a cowboy collar. Yes. It didn't have to be under their pads. And maybe, you know, if they tore their ACL, like get it wrapped in pigskin.

Yeah. You know, to hold it together. Yeah. Strongest leather out there. Yeah. Do you ever think about that, Age? Do you ever think about fusing a cowboy collar to your spine? You know what?

I do feel like I'm somewhat creative, and I think about things like that, but I've never think about that, Age? Do you ever think about fusing a cowboy collar to your spine? You know what? I do feel like I'm somewhat creative, and I think about things like that, but I've never thought about that, never even – Oh, my God. Yeah, I've never seen anybody do that. That's a great idea. Look at that. I mean, look – I mean, I might have nightmares about that. You want to see that guy in the A-gap?

Jeez. Run a fullback dive. What quarterback took this photo? Did you play with Owen Schmidt? Yes, I did. Owen would be a guy who would get it fused to his spine. Yes. Yes.

He ever smash his face off your helmet? No. I don't get hit. Ian, what'd you play in college? Rowing. I was a rower. You're a crew, right? Lightweight crew in Columbia.

I remember hearing people crew all the time. It would be 40 degrees in the morning. They're out there with their coach and yelling at them. What are they doing? The soccer team is named after. What's the coach saying to them? Is he giving them a cadence or what are they doing? The coxswain giving them a cadence.

Usually coach, it's like. Excuse me? The coxswain. Coxswain. The coxswain is the. The coxswain. There's a coxswain up there? No, no, no.

Coxswain. Coxswain. Sorry, I'm not sorry. Coxswain. I see the coach here. Coxswain is the... The coxswain. There's a coxswain up there? No, no, no. Coxswain. Coxswain. Sorry, I'm not sorry. Coxswain. I see the coach. Here, I'll... Coxswain. Yes.

Or like cox in the hen house. Yes. Got it. Okay, you can continue now. I'm sorry. And it's either... It's a guy who is very light, or a lot of times it's a girl. Like a jockey?

Just Google it. What's a bad website? Just like a jockey. Oh, weight. Weight matters. No, weight matters no wait weight matters right wait all that and so they kind of jockeys they'll kind of give you size matters with coxswain yes um and then like it's you know there's a lot of things you have to get used to that are not

normal but if you have a female coxswain like you spend you know five hours a day with this person and like you're on a boat, and sometimes you got to pee. You guys are farting and stuff in front of her? Yeah, exactly. All of the things. I mean, anything you could imagine, they have to become numb to all of it. What, you pee on yourself in there? Have to.

No, no, no. You jump in the water. You pee over the edge. You either pee over the edge. Most likely you pee in a bottle. How far are you from the water? And then you pour it out. Oh.

In the water. Why don't you water jump in and be in the water and then get back how do you do that well just like that you take a break you like no no you stop and everyone else before a break before a race you know everyone's all hydrated like crazy and you're all like nervous and races are miserable. I mean fun, but really, truly miserable. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose and it's terrible. Did you guys ever win?

I was not very good. My team won the Ivy League. I have an Ivy League championship ring, which I was technically there for, but I was not in the boat that won it. You got a ring. You got a ring. You beat the Winklevii? They were

heavyweight. We were lightweight. No one beat the freaking Winklevii, Tony. Zuckerberg did, and then he lost a jujitsu tournament and then made them restart the tournament, and he won the second time, I believe. I thought he won. He didn't lose. No, he didn't. He lost

basically through a fit because the guy basically did some sort of legal tournament and he won the second time, I believe. Yeah, I was going to say, I thought he won. He didn't lose. No, he didn't. He lost basically through a fit because the guy basically did some sort of legal technique he thought. He ended up winning the rematch and then they awarded him the silver and the gold medal. Wait, is this, which one is he? Shut up. He's the one on the right. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

This sounds made up. Right there. Look, read it, yeah. Look, he's saying that's bullshit. He's pissed. Yeah, and apparently he told the referee. He said no arm bars. He told the referee, like, I'll leak all your freaking DMs right now, buddy, if you don't throw a rematch. And then they did.

What was that, Ty? I don't even remember what they said. No arm bars. Oh, yeah. We said no arm bars. No trianglembars. Oh, yeah. We said no armbars! No triangle chokes! And so he won. Now he's got a...

He grabbed my gi weird. Gold and a silver. But I understand. Look at him. He's teabagging this guy. Come on now, Zuck. Yeah, that wasn't the fire. How do you know...

You know, he's got to know that, like, didn't really win. But, like, raise his arm as... You sure? Because he's got a silver and gold medal hanging above his desk at home. Above his desk? Apparently he was walking around his house butt naked, hanging him from his dong.

He didn't give a damn. He didn't give a damn about it. I don't know anything about jiu-jitsu, but this really... Some hefty meat. First off here, there's a couple rules. Respect your opponent. Always respect your gi.

Which is what? Your outfit? Respect your belt. And no illegal arm bars. Those are the three core principles. Four. Four. The no illegal arm bars is kind of an unwritten rule.

Everyone abides by it. We already told them that. Big respect, sport. Also, if you're doing jujitsu and you're a quarterback in the NFL and it's a personal trainer of someone in Brazil and you get divorced, she's probably going to end up with that trainer. Yes. What are you talking about? Wasn't that fake? Brazil and you get divorced, she's probably going to end up with that trainer. What are you talking about?

So, AJ, when... Talking about Thalm. There were rumors on the interweb that his former wife... There was pictures. We don't know if they're together or not. There were definitely pictures. Apparently it was fake news. Fake news. We don't need to talk about fake news.

Let's move on. I heard from Yeah. He's not a Brit. Are you a Brit? Are you a Brit? You turn code snake. I was not a coxswain. I was a roe. If you go down to my basement, which you guys are never coming over. Damn it. Pacman, you're on there.

You guys are not coming over. Alright, so do you have to wear sweet shades or you stink if you're the guy who's not wearing sweet shades? I would go hat backwards. No sweet shades? Sometimes shades, but always hat backwards. Because you know you've got to... Snap back.

What's the coxswain saying to you? What are you doing? They give you a cadence? They'll basically... You roll as hard as you can, but not 100%, 100%. But they'll tell you like take a power 10, which is like 10 strokes as hard as you can

to like push you past this other team. Or they'll say like, all right, you know, let's make a move on this team. Because a lot of times, you know, crew is so hard. It's like any racing. It's like if you pass someone. They're going to come get you. Sometimes they just are kind of like, that's it.

So you can walk past them, and then you can see them be done. Give up. And so the cocks will kind of let you know, like, here's what's going on around the race. Here's who you need to catch. You guys have earpieces in, or does the cocksman yell? Speakers in the boat. Okay. Speakers in the boat.

But the cocksman's wearing a... Wearing a mic. Wearing a head on mic. Yeah. Did you guys have a sick boathouse? Oh, yeah. One of the best. It was very cool.

All this stuff that, again, because I was... It all feels a little weird. You wear a singlet? Yeah. Why? Would you guys party in the boathouse? What's that?

Did y'all drink brews in there? Yeah, you guys get fucking slammed in the bo in the boat house so since you mention it i would you it was a lot of peer pressure again this was a very high quality high performing team except for my part of it okay and there was a lot of pressure to go dry during the season which that means don't drink during the season. Probably because you're in hell with a piss. Yeah, exactly. And because it's a lot of weight, like the boat has a weight average, drinking

is, I guess, not good for you. I don't know. So I would go dry during every crew season. What a dork. Except I would not exactly always go dry. I would go dry during every cruise season What a dork Except I would not exactly always go dry I would drink sodas at the bar But it would be vodka and Diet Coke You dog You sandbag and son of a bitch

I knew I liked you So I would always feel bad about it But when I'd go to bars that's always what I would drink And then I graduated college and people would be like If you're having nice drinks, what would you get? And I'd be like, vodka and Diet Coke and they'd think I'm some weirdo. Exactly. Don't even let those people

walk you. Because you are a weirdo if you get vodka and Diet Coke. Right, except in the context, that was the best possible option. And it's delicious. You're leaving that out as well. Don't you guys have to wake up at like 4 o'clock in the morning to train though? Yeah, we had practice 6 to 9.

We'd be on the bus at 6 and then 4 to 7. Would you guys just go on like the East River? We'd go on the Harlem River. Yeah. Hudson. You ever fall in? You guys ever fall in like early on maybe when you weren't so good? Do you ever run over a body? I have definitely have. I have

not come. There's always like these old wives tales, which is that, that's not nice, right? What's a different way of saying old wives tales? I don't know, but you just canceled. You're all right. So nice knowing you.

That's a shame. My wife is going to be annoyed about that, I'm sure. You can talk to Bob Huggins. He'll be all right. She won't. Oh boy. Oh God.

My wife just texted me a picture of, of our basement. Hold on. I'm going to send this to you. Yeah. Flooded? Nice. Get the man cave vibe down.

Give one of those fake butt. You remember the Winklevii had that rower they were trained on. Yeah, the water tank. It was sweet. Yep. That's usually in the boathouse, AJ. No, no, no. We had those.

Those are sort of like antiquated. But like when you're trying to teach someone... Zito, I sent that to you, by the way. You're trying to teach someone how to row technique-wise. You put them in the humongous tank. And you just watch them. Do you guys ever row in those pools that have their own water?

There we go. That's me on the right. Hat backwards. Sunglasses. In the front seat? It looks like Ben Roff. That Sunglasses. In the front seat. In the front seat. Oh, shit, dude. It looks like Ben Roethlisberger. That is not you in the front seat.

That is absolutely me. That is not you. No way that's you. And then see this. Coxon on the right. See? No way. You're not in this picture.

That is literally me. Dude, there's no way that is you. Yeah. That's not you. That's a lie. That's Ben Roethlisberger. That's Buff Bagwell. Is that a Detroit Lions hat? That's not you That's a lie That's Ben Roethlisberger That's Buff Bagwell Is that a Detroit Lions hat? That's an absolute lie

Columbia Lions Columbia Lions Wait a second You're uncultured swine Is that really you? Is that Matt Damon on the left? Why is that the only photoshopped face in the entire picture too? Why are you guys wearing singlets like you're wrestling?

No, that's because you don't want, you know, you don't want drag You don't want to be encumbered But why are you wearing t-shirts under your singlets like you're wrestling. No, that's because you don't want, you know, you don't want to be encumbered. But why are you wearing t-shirts under your singlets? Because this is the most humiliating and amazing thing about crew. When you let's say you lose, you take your shirt off and you give it to the corresponding

seat and your opponent. That's just not you. What? There's no way that is you, right? That's not you anyway. Did you cut your head off to get a head transplant after you graduated from Columbia? That's not not you dude ian how much did you weigh ben ross's burger i'm not his but that's seven 205 oh no no no that's it i just look because i'm so jacked aj it looks like he's your youngest brother almost you put a pull up a picture of ben rossberger from 2005 please i don't feel like that's – that's not a compliment.

I mean, that's – Looking like seven is not a compliment? Looking like a two-time Super Bowl champion is not a compliment. That's fair. I mean, your lats spread there. You could take – you spread your arms out. Your lats are so big, you'll fly away, man. I was trying to explain this to my sons.

Like, how – you know, were you, like, really strong? I was strong here. That's really it. I mean, it looks like you're shoulder shrugging 800 pounds. I don't think it was just there. We were just talking about Twitter profile pictures. That should be your fucking Twitter profile pictures.

What the hell are we doing? Anyway, and it was... That isn't you. There's no way. We can't just let that go. That's not you. Just remember, again, I was not good. So there were people who were at the Olympics and who were actually good, and I was not good.

Nick found the boom. Exactly. Yes. There he is. Only get a higher definition of that photo. Who is that? That's you. Remember?

That's you. You bought a motorcycle. That's Roethlisberger? No, that's you. That's you. That's you. That's me. Remember? That's when you bought a motorcycle. That's Roethlisberger? No, that's you. That's you. That's you. That's me. That's both Big Ben.

I still, I refuse to believe. I mean, I will say, though, that guy rowing that boat does look like someone who's drinking vodka Diet Coke. Yeah. Not that much. That's it. You photoshopped Ben from the motorcycle. Look at my sideburns, by the way.

Can you see how long those sideburns are? I mean, you're dwarfing the rest of your team. You're so much bigger than all of them. You're the biggest son of a bitch on this boat. Your head looks so big for your body. Were you taking HGH, Trap Sheet? Look at that watch you got on, too. All the crew members have to have one.

That is probably a nice watch, I would have to say. Anyway. There's no way. You should know. That's my former life. You look like an all-American wrestler. You don't even look like your rowing crew. There's no way.

That's the picture. I should wear those sunglasses, too. I refuse. By the way, I haven't worn sunglasses, I think, since in my life. Do you still have those, like, in a gold case somewhere in your house? I probably do. Wait, did you not realize that someone snuck into your basement and replaced your head with Ben Roethlisberger's head from a motorcycle photo?

It's like the college admissions scandal. Were you on the team? I was on the team. On the team. Just come clean, dude. That's not you. Is that you? It is definitely me.

Looks like Rabsheet wasn't just on the team. It looks like he was bullying the team, too. What's that? No. No drug testing back then. Amen. Ben literally has the same sideburns. From the looks of it.

No, I mean, that's all natural right there. What'd you weigh there? 260? No, it was... That's how they put you at the bottom of the boat? I was like 155. Well, it looks like Your head weighs 155 The head was very large

Is that the prime position Ian? Do you want to be number one up there? I'm sure there's different positions Yeah I mean It's really prime That's a stroke but that was a lower Kind of like a lower level boat With all due respect to those guys who were behind me Did you have to wear sunglasses because if you didn't

You would just I couldn't even get it out I couldn't even get it out back to those guys who were behind me. Did you have to wear sunglasses because if you didn't you would just... I couldn't even get it out. I couldn't even get it out. Never mind. I can't even... By the way, appreciate my wife sending that. Yeah, it's very nice. Thank you.

Tell us why I bit my tongue and what I was going to say because I remember she was watching. I just figured you had to wear shades because if you didn't then the cocks would tell you to stop staring at my boobs. Right. But my wife knows that that's not something I would do. Okay. So, Connor, that was fucked up.

I know. I'm sorry. It was sitting right there. He's the only guy with sunglasses on. When was the last time you were on a boat? Yeah. What road? Like Will Smith in that movie.

He rode every morning by himself in that sweet boat. Oh, my God. Yeah. King Richard? Like Will Smith in that movie. He rode every morning by himself in that sweet boat. Oh, my God. Yeah. King Richard? I have not. No, the one where they're hunting him down. Which one? King Richard was really good, though.

I watched it. That was. Yeah, he won a lot of shows. Until the Oscars. Oh. Now he's banged. That's right. Pew, pew.

I have not been in a boat since I was like 22, basically. Left it behind. Golf course now. I mean, I cannot get over that. That's you. Have you lived the curious case of Benjamin Biden? You look like you're 48 in this photo. Somebody out there, please Photoshop a Big Ben.

Will you please go back to the Big Ben photo? Thankfully, because Pat is not hosting, no one's watching or listening, and I hope that that is not. The same exact sideburn too. Same person right there. You gotta be kidding me. I should have had the goat though. Look at that goat. Same exact sunglasses. Ben had some sweet facial hair back in the day.

That's the same facial expression too. You would have had to go. You had to shave every 12 hours. Because you're that old. The coincidences are just too much. Sideburns, sunglasses are the same, hats the exact same. There's a touch of Michael Scott in there. I don't know if it's date mic or prison mic.

They're all three combined. He does have date mic in him. Yeah, if that was backwards. Ian, you have a chin. You don't have a chin in this photo. Why does your mouth look like it? Because I'm about to die. No, it looks like the mouth from human centipede.

It's just really you. It is really me. I don't know. There's no way. There's just no way. Are you serious? Yes, I'm serious. Did you know your wife back then?

No. No. I met her when I was in Mississippi, and I'm sure she did not have a very good idea of what went on in the crew world. Oh, shit. If she's listening, which I think she is. She set the photo. She must be listening somehow.

She must be listening somehow. She's probably heard more about crew in this 20 minutes than she has ever had in her entire life, which for better or worse. I mean, lucky lady, she married Big Ben. Yeah, exactly. It's unbelievable. Ian, you got to get back in the boat. We need that Ian back. I don't know if I could do that.

Get one of those rowers. Those rowers you can get for your basement, like a Peloton rower. They have those. If you still look like that, Shafter would retire. He wouldn't be able to look you in the eye. I hate to say this. I hate to say it. And I'm a fair competitor.

I try to give respect to the people. And I compete with the specialty. Rule number one. He's kind of jacked. Who? Shafter is kind of jacked. I got a call from an indie. He wrestles, doesn't he?

What's that? Doesn't he wrestle? Or he has a wrestling background? Yeah, in the indies. No, no. I mean like amateur wrestling. Not WWE, like amateur. I thought he was an amateur wrestler in high school.

Like singlet? Yeah, like a wrestler. I was also an amateur wrestler in high school, by the way. Oh. We have a picture. Yeah, we knew. It was tough though, right? Because you were still 5'5", but you were wrestling heavyweight

because your head weighed 195 pounds. There was a segment of Schefter with the... Oh, my gosh. No, so I was talking to an agent who knows Schefter and I both, and he was talking about it. He's like, just so you know, Adam has a six-pack. Do you have a six-pack? Fire that agent.

I mean, for real. Is he your agent? He's not. No, no, no. Football agent. Oh. This person will remain nameless. But he just wanted to point out to me that Schefter was.

How long ago was he? He's jacked. About a year. No, six months ago. He had a tank on during a segment this year, I thought. He also took his. He popped the top, I think, when they were in Green Bay. He didn't have a six-pounder.

So you can probably go back to that guy and say, oh, really? Have you seen my head in this rolling picture? Yeah. Take a look. Because I can throw it around, too. Unbelievable. Make that your profile photo If you don't, I'm going to

Did you think it looked like you, Ian? Does anyone think it looks like you? I think it looks exactly like me I mean, that is a handsome guy He's jacked Look how cool, calm, and collected you are Versus everyone else's face in the boat I was ready to die

That kid behind you is dying It really is Those kids are dying I can't tell you how bad it is That kid just puked over the side I mean, if that's you... That was... I would guess anybody but you. That was

sprints my sophomore year, so no, we did not. But is that your row jersey right there on the wall next to the picture? Yes. Does that stand for Columbia or Columbia Captain? Do you wear the C? C for Columbia. Do they get the jerseys back if they beat you? Do you give them back at the end of the day?

I did not row in our last race. What? Why? You blow your shoulder out because of too much steroids? No. Throwing the football too much. No, because I was not good enough. And I think there was only a certain – I can't remember the –

I think there was only – we only sent so many boats, and I was not in one of the final... So I got... So I ended up keeping my shirt. Did you beat the shit out of whoever got it over you? Probably could have. Because it looks like you would have. I probably could have.

You were a high school wrestler, so yeah, probably could have. Probably could have. And now my son, who's almost 10, also wrestles. So I get to go watch him, and it's... Well, sweet. Get to relive some memories. Did you guys practice together?

That's not the same person. It's just impossible. No. relive some memories. Did you guys practice together? That's not the same person. It's just impossible. No. Definitely the same person. It's physically impossible that you were the human in that right photo and the left photo. I'm a lot more laid back in the current photo than I was in the former photo. Well, you're in battle. You're not in battle.

Unless, now we have to ask, have you had work done? No, I've not had work done. People think that I dye my hair because it's so amazing. That's good hair. No, we're talking about to your face. No, I've not had work done. I'm old. Next time you come on the show, if you don't have that fucking backwards lion's hat and those sunglasses on, you're getting run.

Yep. Find them. Sunglasses I might have. The hat, I'm not sure. Well, order one. It was actually not even have. The hat, I'm not sure. Well, order one. It was actually not even joking. The hat was somewhat controversial because it was an official baseball hat, and I was not on the baseball team.

But my buddies gave it to me, and the coach was not. Stolen valor. So I just wore it to every race. Stolen valor. You think anyone's going to say anything to Big Ben Rapshied if he shows up in that hat? No way. Nobody.

The coxswain can't even say anything to Rapp when he looks like that. Could you sling a football back at the net? Yeah. Were you a linebacker on the team? No, not that team. A fullback. I should have been. If it was small.

If they had 150 football, maybe I could. What'd you weigh, though? Honestly, what'd you weigh there, Rap? You look like you're probably jock. 155. I just ripped. Really? Stop.

I would never have guessed that. Picture. When you were first getting started as an insider, did you ever go to an event or something and Heath Miller was looking at you and was like, hey, Ben, oh, shit. That's rap. What's going on? Tomlin probably does it.

Yeah. I'll have to go to Pittsburgh now and be like, can I take some snaps? Yeah, make that the background on your phone so you can just show people quick. Hey, that looks like Big Ben. Just row right up that river and just dock your little boat right by the river and go up to practice. The Hallyu Game. How do I look? I mean, not like the guy in the picture. You look much less like that guy.

You need a fitted hat for one, but you don't look like that man who we just saw. I look? I mean, not like the guy in the picture. You look much less like that guy. Yeah. You need a fitted hat for one, but you don't look like that man who we just saw. I look exactly like him. It's literally me. You're a different human. It's crazy. I can't believe I messed up my hair to wear this stupid hat. I mean, look.

Either way, you look sweet, Ian, but he just doesn't look like you. Yeah, you still look awesome, but that's not the same. A little bit. We almost did. Yeah, dude. Yeah., but that's not the same. A little bit. We almost... Yeah, dude. Yeah. My mom just sent that in, by the way. That's me, too.

We zoom in on that. Holy shit. That looks like WWE superstar Scott Steiner. Now, if that's you... Scott Steiner was one of my favorites, by the way. If that's you, now it's hard to see. I'm more of a Scott Steiner guy than a Rick Steiner. Yeah, hold on.

I'm not seeing it. I can't really. That's me. I mean, that's... Yup. Yeah, I know. Yeah? Were you in Roadhouse? What? Hair's a little too close, I gotta be honest. What's that ref looking at?

Yeah, what is he doing? What is he looking at there? Jesus Christ, this guy forgot to wear a girdle. His dog's hanging out in the bottom of his shorts. Someone find that ref. What the hell? I got to show my son that picture. That is you.

See, I can't even see it there. Me either. That does look like the guy rowing, though. Yeah, it's definitely the same guy, actually, all the way through. There's no way. I was pretty serious. Look how serious I was. That's you.

That's me. That's you. Oh, now we're starting to get into you. You know, this is not what the people want to see. I mean, that photo of you in the suit, you kind of look like Stetson Bennett's older brother. You do. Terrible tie knot. That's my high school graduation, by the way.

That's you in high school? Yeah. You're 30. Yeah, you've aged backwards, right? Yes, we have, which is good. It is good. It's a great thing. Yeah.

Anyway, so that last segment was the dumbest segment I've ever participated in did you forget about the job yesterday you know what I did forget about that it was the second dumbest you missed this we learned a lot about

Shakira Shakira and Jom great Jom controversy of 2023 I know Pac and Jom. Yes. Great Jom controversy of 2023. I know Pac eats Jom every morning. He does. He puts Jom on his hearties. Yeah. Really? Yeah. He's a big Jom guy. Oh my God.

Alright. We have football talk. We do have football talk. Yep. You're right. There's a lot of actually, I mean, I know our good friend Pat who can't be with us today. Dealing with, he's not dead or anything. No, it's not a bad thing. He could be with us, but he's just not with us.

He has a young baby. He's taking care of a brand new baby. Ian, I wanted to ask you a quick question about Thursday night. I read something. Am I wrong here or am I just behind? Didn't they say the schedule is supposed to come out Thursday, but it's possible it doesn't? Is there some kind of weird delay we're talking about? I read something. Am I wrong here or am I just behind? Didn't they say the schedule is supposed to come out Thursday, but it's possible it doesn't?

Is there some kind of weird delay we're talking about? There was a – this is from Peter King. So there was a discussion of like maybe it's not kind of ready for Thursday, but it is going to be ready. It is definitely coming out – today's what, Tuesday, right? Today's Tuesday. It's definitely coming out in two days. And it's interesting because it used to be it was a big secret, like a huge secret.

And I would try to find out about it and nobody would tell me. And it was always very annoying. Even though I can't, like, I would never break it because you know, we have a big show and I wouldn't want to preempt it. But now the NFL will kind of like sprinkle out

announcements throughout the day, which we'll see what they do Thursday. I think like last year everything got leaked before the shows even went live. We had all of the complete schedules that like, I don't know if it was noon, but it was before NFL Network or ESPN did either one of their schedule shows. How did you get that? It was all on the internet. It was all on the internet.

Doesn't AI do it? Doesn't AI do it? No, no, no. Schedule makers are on Good Morning Football every single year. He sits on a ball. They put him into an equation in a computer and it spits out a bunch of... No, no, no. This is hand-to-hand work that they

do. I was scrolling down Mons today and it seemed like Mama Kelsey has the schedule already. Yeah, I believe she did put out the whole schedule. Damn, she's the guy. She got the news before I got it. Sorry. I love Donna Kelsey.

Are we going to Donna Kelsey's? Yeah. You got Scoop, pal. She got the game. What is that? Breaking news. Facebook? Yeah.

God. She already know when the games are. Yeah, plus all the social medias now release them. Like each team makes their own cool thing. So I am also kind of guessing that Donna probably is going to be involved in the Chiefs releasing this. She really only leaked the... Oh, she could be for sure. For sure.

That would make a lot of sense. How does she... Just so you guys know, I actually have no idea if the Chiefs and Eagles are playing week two in Arrowhead. Although, if that was the case, you'd think that would be a big game, probably on some sort of major television network. Probably Sunday night, Monday night, one of those things. Possibly. I can't believe she buried it in the comments.

True. Yeah, but I don't think she was, I think she was probably not trying to be a newsbreaker. She probably just tried to. I think she was trying to help Chiefs a newsbreaker. She probably just tried to... I think she was trying to help Chiefs fans out with their travel plans to Germany. To Germany? Sounds like it.

Kind of being just a great mother. Because you know how moms think. Moms worry about travel plans and stuff like that. She was trying to get everyone some notice so that they could properly plan ahead. Yeah, and moms, you know, they do what's best and not to backtrack here, but Pat was wondering if your mom might have paid or you paid that referee to help you win that wrestling match. Is that true?

That's offensive. I didn't win a lot of matches. I won 50% of my matches senior year. Pretty good. That's not bad. I had some moments. Oh, yeah. He also thinks that you were on Ajou, which makes a lot of sense, actually.

If that rowing photo is actually you, you were on the Jews. Look at AJ's face in this photo. I was just naturally jacked. And the one, look at your amazed face. Yeah. I mean, that is really. Yeah, but look at your legs. You've got big, stocky legs.

What was going on with your knee right there? Squatting? Usually, you wear either one or two knee pads just when you take a shot so you don't ruin your knee. You're shooting for a single leg? Shooting for a single leg, yeah. What do you mean take a shot? You're shooting.

How do you usually beat people? Do you tech fall a lot of guys? No. For me, usually it was either pin or be pinned. Again, a lot of times. Kill or be killed. Yeah. That's kind of the rap sheet motto. Yeah, I was not very good, but lot of times. Kill or be killed. Yeah. That's kind of the

wacky motto. I was, yeah, I was not very good, but by senior year, I was okay. Okay. And you knew once you got through wrestling at that level,

I could do crew easily. Yeah. And now that I did crew, like, you know, and I work a lot in my job. Allegedly. Allegedly. But nothing is like crew.

Literally nothing. Like, it's intense and crazy, and I feel like get through that, you're like, all right, I could do kind of whatever. Well, yeah, I mean, nothing's like that. Definitely one of the hardest sports. Yeah. You know, when you're doing crew also and you're 45 years old, it's a lot harder than it would be.

Riding motorcycles and winning Super Bowls. Yeah, there you go. Exactly. Ian, can I ask you about a report? Yes. Now, I don't know. Yes, please, God, yes. I don't know how this man did this report

because I saw that he was sick for the first time in five to six years and had a cough and stuff like that. Yeah. It was tough. But Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio is reporting, he believes, I believe, reporting that Patrick Mahomes will be the highest paid player in the NFL by week one. Are you hearing things?

I saw that report. I read the headline of the report. Sure. You saw it. So he does headlines and then there's an article with it. Which makes it a lot of work for you. So restructure, extension, what are they going to do? All right.

So here's kind of like the quarterback landscape. We've had a lot of work. So restructure, extension, what are they going to do? All right, so here's kind of like the quarterback landscape. We've had a couple big deals. Obviously, Jalen Hurts, we had Lamar Jackson. Yep. Danny Dimes got paid this off. Danny Dimes kind of started it off. This sort of like next stratosphere. So we need Burrow, Herbert.

So we got Burrow and Herbert, right? And both those guys have not yet been paid. And both those guys will get paid. But, and, you know, it seems that most people think Burrow is probably going to make a little bit more because he's more accomplished and like, you know. Of course he is. Right. Yes.

Hey-o! Here we go. Here we go. You must have seen the crew picture, huh? The crew picture, definitely on juice. You look like Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah. The wrestling photo, my big takeaway is you're definitely on something,

but your hand was being raised, Rap. That means you won. So unless this is a staged photo op for the yearbook, which it could be. Possible. I'm not 100% sure. You're a little bit of a dog. We need to respect you a little bit. Again,

like there's a lot of photos and the photos that are with me standing there with my head down with the other guy's hand getting raised. Doesn't matter. We have not seen any of those. AJ, have you ever seen one of those? Never, never will.

Never will. Don't even want to see him. Somebody who beat you is probably looking for it right now and being like this piece of shit. Like they're trying to imagine. We don't want to see it. Somebody who beat you is probably looking for it right now and being like, this piece of shit. Oh, can you imagine? We don't want to see it. We don't care. Got it.

In my head, all I know is Ian Rappaport arm raised while definitely being on steroids. You were on steroids, Rapp? Without a doubt. I was not on steroids. What happened? You just... I was just naturally jacked. Jocked? Properly jocked? Properly jocked. I was just naturally jacked.

Jocked? Properly jocked? Properly jocked. Were you jacked because of a bunch of weight? You must have been lifting heavy back then. It was almost no lifting. Wrestling practice is like grueling, so you just do all the wrestling stuff. Okay, so just we poke fun,

a little bit of fun all the time about, you know, how big that microphone looks right now. They had to turn down the gain because the distance from mouth to microphone vastly different than when I'm in there. And I'm not a giant. Okay, so I'm not like, let's not get into that whole thing. But at your size, with how jocked you were you she's even talking about it you could have been like mixed martial artists right because that's a big thing being kind of shorter still could yeah you're like 135 featherweight you know oh no it's hard for me my prime well of course you're on steroids when you're in your prime but like the the whole

i think you've missed opportunity here your size how short you are weight restrict because we'll watch like one of these ufc events and a guy will be weighed in this guy's 137 pounds like that was eighth grade for me that is like maybe sixth grade for me that is very mckenzie knows it's very it's tough for me to take serious when i hear that but i know that those guys would break all my limbs if they had the opportunity to, you were kind of set up for that, like standing at five foot,

two 135 pounds properly jocked. You could have that. You know what I mean? Like I'm happy you got into the inciting, but like, I think maybe missed opportunity there. You would have had your hand raised, maybe in an Octagon,

just know that we need to have a little bit more respect for you is what I'm saying. That was a long way to say, we need to have a little bit more respect for you is what i'm saying that that was a long way to say we need to have a little bit more respect you could have been a human cockfighter with your build and with your entire thing that's just that's that's all i have to say about that and i appreciate it but now i kind of feel like i didn't accomplish maybe what i could have like i was actually feeling really good about myself and then you mentioned like what i could have been like you got the photo back up of his hand Well, that's been Roethlisberger. Look. Yeah, yeah Hey, here we go. Whoa. So your street cred is going up. He's going up

Bingo back three back the guy seems that's like Mackenzie shit face there Looks like Matt Damon a little bit. They're all ten times skinnier than you rap What's that? They're all like 10 times skinnier yeah because i have shorts yeah i mean you should have seen what rap was doing in the showers he's cracking towels like there's no tomorrow and no one can say anything about it yeah cracking stick cranking stick and cracking towels yep please louise but don't be spreading your seed all over our plate Whoa, whoa, whoa Okay, so sorry I interrupted I missed you guys there for like 20 minutes As those photos came up, I got onto Twitter

And I just started seeing this fucking beefcake Boom, boom Who is this? Turns out that's you, Rap Congrats to you You did it, Rap So All the small things. Is that what you guys were singing?

Yeah, trying to. Okay, so Sam's grandma was here meeting the baby for the first four generations. Sam's family were here. That's awesome. And the show was up on the screen here. I can't turn it around. Show was up on the screen. Little bit of sound.

Grandma hold baby for first time. Okay, holding baby. First time. And then all of a sudden, I hear you guys. Say it ain't so. I would not go. It was like one of the most absurd moments of my life. I actually got a camera out and just started taking photos.

Would like to remember this. Would like to remember this. Everything that's going on. Great show today, boys. Grant Hill was on the fucking show. Good booking. He was great. He's a money talk now. Yeah, he's great. He's an owner. He's an owner of Team Hawks.

He was, yeah. He's an executive, right? I think he was part of... They sold it to someone, but I think he was part of the ownership group, yeah. Cashed out? Must be nice. I don't know if he cashed out. He was with Kunin, I think. I think he was with Kunin. group, yeah. Cashed out? Must be nice. I don't know if he cashed out. He was with Kunin, I think. I think he was with Kunin.

Yeah, he might have been, yeah. Anyways, we're talking money. Let's talk money. Patrick Mahomes is getting re-upped. Patrick Mahomes' team is going to pay him more money. So this is what happens when you do a 10-year deal, Rap, right? This is exactly what they're going to do with Burrow. This is the same exact situation.

This seems like the blueprint for the Burrow thing. Like thing like jalen hurts blueprint for lamar to go get a little bit more money and do his thing the patch mahomes deal blueprint for joe burrow just long kick money out there five years from now if somebody else makes more money sweet we'll redo this do another 10 years is that what's going to happen around i'd be surprised if if anyone did a quarterback deal that long, mainly because you don't need to. You can only stretch out a signing bonus five years anyway.

A five-year deal is going my guess is that would be the maximum that Burrow would do. Why Pat do a 10-year deal then? To try to make sure that the team could stay of stay together and to, you know, basically he did a deal during COVID, like when no one had any money.

So the way it's structured was the way they could do it at the time. Because like if you, I mean, it seems crazy to think back, but like nobody was making money. Like that free agency, like right when COVID was happening was like dead. Nobody made making money. That free agency, right when COVID was happening, was dead. Nobody made any money. And you guys lied about how much money Bachelor of the House got paid. Correct. Remember that, guys?

Yeah, 500 million. 500 million, yeah. And then it was like 10, 478. 430, yeah. But the reality was- It was 62 guaranteed. 10, 430. Nah.

Yeah, you lied, Rap. You lied. Not like me. People died. That's right. All I remember Yeah, you lied, Rap. You lied. Not like me. People died. That's right. All I remember was it broke and I was at the pool, at my parents' pool, and I didn't have an Apple Watch, and I was very annoyed.

During COVID, you were at a pool outside? Wow. Whoa. So people do that. Safest part. At old people. You were around old people, too? You're trying to say my parents are old?

Yes. No, I'm just saying anyone above 50, weren't they in danger? Well, we definitely kept our distance because obviously- So their steroid abusing son in the middle of COVID goes over and just starts spitting all over the house hoping that they die

so you can get the family pool. Wow. Peeing in the pool. Jeez Louise. Ian, come on on uh those big news though i remember when that 10 year 500 million half a billion this guy got paid holy hell and the entire take was like well the chief's got a deal and i'm like a guy's getting paid half a billion dollars to play football it seems like a pretty fucking good deal too i don't you tell me but now they're gonna redo it what's it gonna be so yeah what's it look like ian all right so basically the way the way this is going to kind of play out i think is herbert

needs a deal and burrow needs a deal and so if you're mahomes and you've accomplished what you've accomplished and i mean it seems like he's the best young quarterback out there certainly the most accomplished young quarterback out there so it would make more sense to me if he let those deals happen and then came over the top. Like Jalen Hurts is the highest paid. We'll see if Burrow eclipses him. Probably will. Lamar's the highest paid now.

That's right. I'm sorry. Lamar's the highest paid now. This guy's deal. AJ, does this guy even pay attention to the shitty breaks? Nope. Right before the draft is a great moment way to go rap hey had a baby rap yeah a lot of people remember these things well lost the schedule breaking yesterday so we do remember i mean yeah don and donna kelsey scooping me today so right um no but so anyway i would imagine mahomes waits till all these guys wait till the dust cleared waits all these guys are

done and then talks about to the chiefs about a new new deal and would probably be the highest paid then I just I don't want to get too far off track here You think Donna Kelsey when she posted that on Facebook? Was like, you know what Zuck since you won that fucking jujitsu tourney. Well, I'm doing it Did he win that tourney, Pat? Did he? Yeah. Just like fucking Raph winning that wrestling match.

Sometimes you've got to let people know. Take a fall. A little bit of controversy, though. What? Well, he actually got beat and then bitched about it to the ref. They did a rematch immediately. He won and then was awarded both the silver and the gold medals. There's no way he got both.

Look in the tweet right here. I see it, but is it a typo? How do you give a guy both medals? He had a meltdown in public? Yeah, we know for a fact he raised the other guy's hand first. Actually, I just saw a report today that Metta is dead. Everyone's giving up

on Metta. He might be prone To have more meltdowns now Could you imagine doing that in public? You're Mark Zuckerberg Everybody's like this guy shouldn't be in this tournament To begin with Just obviously used his stature

And his platform and his money to get in here I've worked my entire life to do this And then after you lose you go no i sound like mackenzie you know what i mean yeah i did win i did win i did it's like bro the the the gut sack on zuck you know he wore those flip-flops in the battle against the winklevii so i guess a ref at a jiu-jitsu tournament isn't something for him to be scared about. But I did not know that. That's breaking news to me, Ty.

Yeah, not good. Messed up. Is he the first guy ever to get first and second place in a tournament? I would guess. I mean, there's a good chance that he threatened to kill this jiu-jitsu ref if he didn't. That ref is dead already. You can raise my hand after this rematch, but I'm hacking your whole life.

But that is a great point, though. If you're Mark Zuckerberg and you know what his life is like, one of the most recognizable, famous, certainly richest people, someone is going to get out of camera. And if you're doing this, he knows the internet, basically created the internet, kind of. It's going to be out there, but you want to win that bad anyway that you still throw a fit i like that zuck still got the fastball you know a lot of people thought he quit whenever he was standing on that little hoverboard thing

on lake and michigan covered in american flag flying behind him and four bottles of sunscreen on his face everybody's like this guy quit you know this guy doesn't have it anymore still got his basketball. Still a bitch to the ref. Classic teenage parent. It's good. He's a winner. I like that button.

He poked that ref, didn't he? Oh, wait. Bill's telling me now. I don't know. Well, if it's a jiu-jitsu tournament, Bill would know the ins and outs. He got one medal for Gi and one medal for when they weren't wearing gis. Gi is what you wear.

Oh, okay. He does both. There's no gi and gi. He did both. Apparently. So, like, in jeans and, like, a sweater? No. Come on.

Like, tights. Oh, like I was wearing. What did I just tell you earlier? What was one of the three things? Respect the gi, okay? Yeah. He's doing skin. Skin to skin.

Skin to skin? Oh, Pat, skin to skin, He's doing skin. Skin to skin. Pat, skin to skin is very important. Mackenzie, I'll tell you what. She might be the next big American singer. Here we go. 2.33am. She's showcasing these pipes. They're strong

they are strong she's just hungry right then you feed her and then she'll take like a two second break three second break and then we're right back into the there ain't nothing like looking at something and just being like

what the fuck what can I do what did I do what can we do how do we help what did i do what would we how do we pretty pretty helpless feeling and i actually thought a rap at maybe like the fifth round of yells this morning i'm like just need to start sending this baby away to fiji for like four months have somebody somebody train like a dog? Not a bad idea. So we have a friend of ours just got two really cute

bulldogs. Really, really cute. Little puppies. And sent them away for a couple weeks to get trained. Came back perfectly trained. I've done that. Yeah. I've done that. Absolutely. Yeah.

I still didn't know. Yeah. I've done that. Absolutely. It didn't come back perfectly trained, but. Yeah. Motherfucker still didn't know its name. And I actually had to, I was told by the trainer that this is the dumbest dog that he has ever encountered. This trainer is trained Westminster dogs. You know what I mean? Westminster dogs have been trained by said trainer. Very attentive. You know, like a lot of that. Dogs never learn its name. you know what i mean westminster dogs have been trained by said trainer very attentive

you know like a lot of that season dog never learned his name so dog now lives with one of sam's friends really cute uh it's really cool but can't have that thing pooping and pissing indoor all the time going outside and sleeping you know it's supposed to be a complete opposite you know so that's the thing uh so patch mom's getting paid before season kicks off that's a thing. So Patrick Mahomes getting paid before season kicks off. That's good news. Donna Kelsey's beating Ian Rappaport in news breaking. That's great news. See, Zuckerberg gets the last laugh.

There you go. Jets power went out while they were watching the show of Aaron on here and you talking to him. Yeah, did you see that, by the way, Pat? Yeah, that was all. I mean, anytime an Aaron article with us gets popped up my mentions get very toxic you know what i mean very very toxic seriously oh the jets the jets didn't get to see pat gargling on aaron oh geez louise a lot of that type of stuff they were all watching 498 000 concurrence that day pretty high that's

big that's so many humans that's so many humans watching a youtube show um speaking of there's some rumblings about this particular program on the internet really right now in there really oh yeah really i i i didn't see any of that yes i did yes i did crap there's a lot of rumbling i mean did we all expect that to start rumbling i mean i guess after i said yesterday i kind of asked for it i guess now i kind of understand the world up some seasons wrapping up everybody's gonna be snooping around you know what i mean throwing their guesses on the wall yep looking for cheese it It's cheese. So there's speculatory reports happening. And then the immediate follow-up from the speculatory reports is,

this fucking guy sold out. Going to ruin his show. What's he doing? It's like, yo, we don't even, what do we even, why is everybody so mad at me right now? What did I do? And then I looked at my baby girl, and she pooped. I cleaned her diaper, and it was good.

So life is good, man. The rumblings, though, let's remember just that. Just rumblings. And Connor, Ty, Tone, Toxic AJ, boys in the back. Can we please remind the people that we are too dumb to change? Exactly. Bingo. Bang.

And can we also remind them what happened last year? You know, we go through this damn near every year. Okay, people? These guys are going to sell out. Yes. We're too dumb to change. What would that mean? Selling out means what?

You're going to start wearing ties or whatever? Yeah, the whole show is going to change. Essentially. Whatever. Someone's going to write a script for him. Another one. Can people please have faith that I am too dumb to change though?

But I understand that. You know what I mean? And it's a part of the conversation now. It's like, hey, this isn't going to work. Because I'll be excited to see how people react, though, to the actual news, as opposed to potential rumblings. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

Ian, maybe you'll find out before everybody else. He's been snooping around this whole time. I have not been snooping around. Yeah, he has. Looking in every corner for cheese. No, I specifically did not ask, even though I wanted to. He went through the trash again. What's this?

Really, Ian? You're snooping through our trash? What'd you find? I still can't get over yesterday when all these idiots told me they didn't know and then you literally come on and go up to something, season's over and they're all like, yep, we all know

Team Ian Thanks Does AJ know? Oh yeah We're a team, Ian, what do you mean? You think we can't just sit here and broadcast There's certain things that the team knows Such as what

Such as whatever's going on Ian what you see say and hear here Stays here Okay So that's a big team mantra Thankfully I haven't heard anything so cool Well there's a reason Because you don't know that much

because you're a rat fuck thank you Nick this is like we were talking about this schedule before and like everyone in the world hits me up about the schedule and they literally don't tell me because of this reason yeah I heard Ty say this we did know before you

I think from who it was all on the internet isn't the release like 7 or 8 o'clock I say this. We did know before you, I think. From who? It was all on the internet. The release was at 7 or 8 o'clock. We all knew it. Way before that. I think it was at 4 o'clock. Weren't teams putting it out before? A little bit.

I think it was one on one of the morning shows last year. A big matchup was announced on a morning show. Something like that. All the big matchups are. It's not just one it's it's legitimately every like staple week game is already back man yeah hey mission buddy can't wait to see you next week you look fantastic um great question for grant hill the um what did you look at for the schedule? I looked at, okay, am I going to Denver? When am I going to Denver for thin air? When are we going to Denver?

And when am I going somewhere cold for if it's just going to be a miserable day, punting balls? Other than that, we're moving on because players already know who we're playing, already know the setup. It's more of a fans, travel, media, and we ain't got shit to talk about this time of year at all anyway so the schedule release fills some time for the people that have daily shows pack did you look at any of that like oh i got this guy early in the season

i got this guy late in the season as a corner what did you think about whenever you saw the schedule release or did you not care i cared i care about when when was bye week that was my main thing when it's by oh yeah yeah and when we play Thursdays, the Thursday night games. That was my whole thing because it's a short week. Because that's another bye week. Yeah, it's a shorter week, you know. And what, you playing your trip? Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. Hell yeah. That must be nice. Hell yeah, ref. Just like you playing your little. Yeah. But, like, yeah, Monday night games, of course,

you're going to put a double star by that one. The Thursday night course, you're going to put a double star by that one. The Thursday night games, you can put maybe a star by that one. And then whatever the, the bye week fall, you don't want, I hate, I didn't like my bye week to be all the way at the end.

Like I want mine pretty much around week eight or nine. When, when guys are going through the little healing, not Sunday night football, no double star for those Sunday night football. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But we, they're going to flex. There's more, huh? healing not sunday night football no double star for those sunday night football yeah yeah okay

yeah but week seven they're gonna flex there's more huh yeah sounds like it that's what uh was part of the we'll find out you saw yesterday about how the games are free agent they're so we're going so in two weeks i think two weeks from today we'll be in minnesota pelissero is going to take me out to a nice dinner, by the way, hopefully. Everybody should have kicked him off the show whenever he was saying what he was saying. About the Mighty Ducks. Oh, believe me, Ty lit into him. I saw it.

I saw it. That guy, especially with what he asked Roger Goodell. You remember, Ty? That guy's on thin ice. No Mighty Ducks reference implied. Yeah, I mean, we thought he was a piece of shit after he said all the stuff asked Roger Goodell. You remember, Ty? Oh, yeah. That guy's on thin ice. No Mighty Ducks reference implied. Yeah, I mean, we thought he was a piece of shit after he said all the stuff to Roger Goodell, and then he kind of just came on here today and confirmed it. So that's not great, but, you know, we should have known.

Good run, Arrow. Arrow going. Yeah. Done. It's sad. But we're going to find out if there's going to be adjustments to the Thursday, if they can flex games out of Thursday. These are all the things that are going to be. You can play twice now on Thursday, right?

That is set. That's starting this year. You can play twice on Thursday. And you don't have to have a – not every team has to play primetime, which is another thing. Not everybody gets a Thursday game. The Thursday games don't include Thanksgiving, correct?

So what did Bezos do? Bezos just said, hey, I gave you a lot of money. I got a lot more, too. I don't know if you've seen the Audemars. We ain't doing this Thursday night shit show again. Okay? Eddie's got the Black Friday. That's a great idea.

I think that was a good move by Amazon, honestly honestly but the thursday night teams can go on there twice and not everybody has to be on it because that was the old rule like hey even the shitty teams get to be on prime time on thursday night now it's like no we're not doing that anymore why because there's a bald man who sells everything on his app that has more money than everybody, and he's in a deal with the NFL, and he said, we ain't doing 9-3 every week ever again. No. I want the stars on Thursday night. And then, boom, they change rules just like that.

Doesn't the NFL PA, AJ, you think would have to agree to that, right? I thought it's like a whole process. There's so much red tape you've got to get through to do anything like that. The fact that they – how do they write up these deals to where they can just kind of shift and do things like this? Money. Big business.

Yeah, you're right. We know that. Goodell is – Bezos is Jack. Bezos looks good like Ian in high school. Yeah, probably. He does look Jack. He's yo.

Wait. What? Pat. Pat, so you're talking about the things you looked forward to. I'm surprised you didn't say receivers you wanted to. Oh, shit, I wake up every game. Receivers, they're going to get me regardless of who I'm fucking playing. It could be Joe Blow from the fucking thrift store.

I'm going to play his ass just as hard as I'm going to play against ABE or anybody else. The names really didn't, I didn't care about. The foreign national. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Foreign national. Joe Blow That's right. Yeah.

Foreign national. Joe Blow from the thrift store. Smell me. I've never heard that before. I like that. I like that. It's funny. AB just keeping himself in the news. It's amazing.

Hey, Rap, why don't you get back on the juice and go play for that foreign national's arena team? You should. Not a bad idea. Center. Think how far you'd hit the team? You should. Not a bad idea. Center. Think how far you'd hit the golf ball. Oh, my God. I might do it. I mean, I'm not going to do it.

220 at least. I'm not going to do it. But if I was. Yeah, 165 at least. Yep. No doubt. You're talking about weight or yardage, AJ? Will the NFL fine you if you jump on the juice?

Do you get tested? does nfl test you they do not test me but i will not be on the juice because that's legal and i would no it's not hey it is isn't it no nowadays you're allowed to do whatever you want pretty much i'm thinking about getting on it to be honest with you because i guess in the nfl oh no nfl it's bad but i mean pat you can get on it. Ian, do you get drug tested by NFL Network? For real, like for street drugs and everything and Coke? For Coke, yeah, for sure. He's drinking.

When you – A steroid thing will hurt you. I mean, most corporations have drug tests, right? Or are they like the king? I haven't – I think when I signed, I don't remember. I shouldn't ask that. We can just move on. Let's not bring attention to this coke usage.

How many drinks are what? Two more. A kilo of what? My body is my temple. Evens them out. Where'd you go to school again, Brad? Off the back. Columbia. You know what they say

about columbia what i said all those rich kids back in the day like nowadays i feel like rich kids are pills and everything like that obviously that's conversations i've had for a long time you guys just love to coke right back in the day i didn't do anything i don't know what other people did that's not true i did did they you? Could you take steroids for rowing? There's no way they tested in crew, did they? No, but... Looking at you. I wouldn't even...

I mean, I could see why you might think that. Did you point your sideburns? I'm you! No, no, no. Sideburns straight down. Okay. Straight down. If you did, it would look sweet.

I need to get those sideburns back is what needs to happen. Hell yeah. Yeah. Get that head back. Yeah. The whole body. To Pat's point, steroids never hurt nobody. Why don't you get on it?

Maybe a little bit more energy too this fall. So, in all seriousness, since we're talking about you guys were saying, or AJ was saying I should get a rowing machine, I talked about that because we are trying to get an additional, some sort of a machine exercise thing in addition to the Peloton, which I love and crush this morning.

And I say to my wife, I say to my wife, we should get maybe a rowing machine. And she responds, well, maybe you should get a weight set. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I was telling you to pack on some muscle, huh?

And, yeah. And I was like, and she was like, well, you know, like you work out a lot, but you can't always tell. Oh, my God. Rap, you got to put on 50 pounds of muscle. Wear big baggy sweatshirts. I agree. And just reveal yourself one day. Here you go.

Steroids. Let's do it. All natural. Let's go. Don't need it. Rap. Lee is telling you all natural a sudden just reveal yourself one day. Here you go. Steroids. Let's do it. All natural. Don't need it. Lee is telling you all natural is not working. No. You can't advocate for it. Just take it.

Don't work out with your good friend. They're giving it to you at the gas station over here. The gas station? Oh, yeah. Buy those boner clothes at the gas station. Instead of doing the insiders, you should do the insiders and work out with Glazer and film that. Yeah, get in the octagon with him. Dude, join the fight club.

Yep, let's go. Come on. We know somebody. Join the fight club. Do you guys have a fight club? No, we know somebody who's in a fight club. AQ did. He put out some sweet videos from it the other day.

Oh, yeah. AQ Shipley. Is he Jack? Jay Glazer.zer yeah ryan bader let me know four other ufc years wearing some rich guy's basement in arizona punching each other in the face look at aq oh yeah hey wait till you see how tired he is at the end of this thing though i yeah well this is good bader posting i would never want to be punched in the face right now bader ryan bader is an absolute monster too. He was double champ, wasn't he?

Lightweight and heavyweight and heavyweight in Bellator. He's not scared of bang. He's a wrestler, though. Look at AQ. Watch his punches at the end. Watch his punches. Wait, wait, wait. He's done.

He's done. So tired, dude. Me and AQ may or may not have wait wait wait he's done he's done he's so tired dude me and AQ may or may not have at one point in our lives found ourselves back to back at a adult establishment what does it mean

back to back let's see here what was that movie it's like a movie huh fried out lights i know varsity blues no there's a movie where you know two navy seals are basically perched atop a lone survivor no the rock the rock went on the pivot. I bet you that's a great conversation. Are you talking about that Rock? I'm talking Nicolas Cage.

The Rock. Stan Goods. Classic. Shooter. Great movie. With Mark Wahlberg. Good one. That's a good movie as well.

Black Adam. That's a great movie. Shazam's brother, Black Adam. I don't think The Rock's involved in this. I think you brought The Rock. Is it The Rundown? I think there was a back-to-back fighting scene in The Rundown with The Rock and Sean William Scott.

That's a good movie. How about how good Stifler is in that movie? So good. Top tier. Kind of like Terminal is where Chris Pratt and Tim Riggins are raiding that village. Back to back. Okay. So somebody raided a United States embassy, and then two SEALs were basically back to

back standing on top of it. Just 13 hours. 13 hours? There it is. Benghazi story. Jim Halpert. There it is. Yeah.

So that is what I mean. Benghazi story. Jim Halpert. There it is. Yeah. So, like, that is what I mean. Like, we are outnumbered, outmanned, outgunned. And we have certainly pissed off the wrong people in the place that we're in right now.

Okay? And we both acknowledge that situation. And we both have to go back to back. And, you know, AQ's a dog, bro. AQ is an absolute dog. And we got out of that situation. know aq's dog bro aq is an absolute dog and we got out of that situation you know i i can normally talk myself either into those situations and out of those situations there you go but aq is not a human that i would want to be standing on the other side of the fight him going in that fight club every single week i think he's sharpening an iron in there yeah this is not a guy this is not a guy

you want to fight no way hey he's gonna fuck around and end up in one of these fights and he's not supposed to be doing that at all but he's gonna end up fighting somebody i think professionally and we all need to understand that right now we need to show up and like cheer are you gonna be like oh aq don't do that or like i'm probably introing a motherfucker what are we talking about? You should call out Jake Paul or Logan Paul. You should call one of them out. Obviously, those two guys at the top of the pinnacle

of the celebrity boxing or whatever, but I've seen a lot of these other content creator boxing things. AQ walks in there and knocks out all of them, I think. Might kill somebody, though. Is anyone as big as him? I mean, he's got a bigger range of damage than most of them. You could get Butterbean to do it.

Him versus Butterbean would be a battle. That's offensive. He's got to be right. Butterbean is kind of like a, you know. What? Knockout artist? What are you saying? Yes, a knockout.

A fucking tough man legend? What are you talking about? A legend. Oh, sorry. You were going to say big fat. You were going to say big fat food. You were going to say big fat food. And AQ is also a legend.

I love Butterbean. I love Butterbean. I'm not sure he can walk right. Is Butterbean still alive? Are we sure that he's still alive? There's a website you can check. He gave his ability to walk to the game over like 30 years of fighting random drunks in small towns. Oh, yeah, he's an absolute legend.

I'm just saying we might have to find someone with fresher legs for Q. over like 30 years of fighting random drunks in small towns. Oh, yeah, he's an absolute legend. I'm just saying we might have to find someone with fresher legs for Q. Anyways, AQ does have a fight camp you should go to, and we all need to understand that AQ is not going to be doing all that for no reason. Like at some point, he's going to want to actually fight people that aren't champions at fighting, and I'm excited for that day. Rap, you should be the guy that fights him. Get back on the juice. Yes. Yeah.

Right there in the Thunderdome. I should not do it, Rap. They used to call you Butterbean in the boathouse, you said. Yeah. There he is. You don't see that. I mean, that is a handsome man. God. Look at that. He's also still alive. Why are you being facetious? Why are you shitting me? Yeah, come on now. He's handsome.

Oh, yeah. You think because he's a big man he can't be handsome? No, you're the one who just called him a sloppy fatso two seconds ago. That's a handsome man. He had his moment, man. Butterbean was a... He had his time. Knockout Johnny Knoxville. Yeah, David

Hilton. Did he? In that thrift store, yeah. Hit his head on something, didn't he? Yeah. Bro, what's Knoxville's deal? What do you mean? What is Knoxville's deal? He's got a death wish. He had to give himself a catheter for three straight years.

He's a WWE superstar. Adrenaline dummy. Why did he give himself a catheter? Do I want to know the answer to this? He broke his dick. A bull. Didn't a bull take his horn right through his whole situation? Whoa, my body just got chills thinking about that.

Watch out. Don't worry, Donnie Knoxville's got a big catheter. He's alright. He's doing fine. There we go. What is he wearing on his feet? He's got some pink converses. Yeah, pink chucks.

The low tops. He gets a couple good shots in on Butterbean, though. Really? Oh, yeah. That's in that flavor. Is there any other NFL news before we go back into full-time parenting here? Pat, real quick, good news about Butterbean. He did balloon up to 500 pounds, but he slimmed down with the help of WWE superstar Diamond Dallas Page,

and he's ready to step back into the ring. Wow. He's doing DDP yoga. Wow. Wow. Hey, that seems like a real – I started so late night. So I'm a night person. Sam's a morning person.

So pretty good. Now, Sam's been waking up earlier than normal, and I've been staying up a bit later than normal, so a little bit different than just being a night person and morning person. But, you know, I'm on baby duty late night. You should see what I've been doing, 1.32 a.m. when his baby's stretching. Nice. Push-ups.

What? Let's go. Sit-ups sit-ups and then i last night a 14 double stuffed oreos immediately afterwards to reward oh yeah smart congratulations thank you but if i would have had a baby during my nfl career i think probably much healthier because i'm working out 1.32 a.m. Stretching, AJ. Full on this morning. Roll back onto my back, you know. Wow. Then roll out, leg stretch.

Like full. Feel good? Yoga. Yeah. DDP yoga. I need to start doing it. Some guys struggle, though, as their kids get older and they eat all their kids' leftovers from all their mac and cheese and chicken tenders and then people gain a bunch of weight.

I know I've heard parents complain about that. That's how the dad bod thing happened, because dads will throw away their kids' stuff and just eat all the chicken fingers. I've been chugging her formula. Yep. Nice. Smart.

Strong bones. Good protein. Good protein. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I need to lose some weight now. I do need to diet.

Maybe I get on some of that au jus that rap is on. That's the move. We weighed 165 back then. Yeah, okay. What do you weigh now, rap? It's proportioned differently. What, AJ? You say 138?

I'm trying to be exact. What if I guessed it to 138.7? Is that what you are, Rep? No? No. I'm like – What about gain weight if you wanted? Could you get up to 185 if you wanted to, if you just wanted to get big?

Like you just ate a bunch. Just fat. Yeah. I couldn't do it. It would – no. I mean I could. It would be awesome. I'd eat as much as I could, but no.

You like eating or no? I love eating do it. It would, no. I mean, I could. It would be awesome. I'd eat as much as I could, but no. You like eating or no? I love eating so much. Me too. It's a problem. You don't, so you, because you were a wrestler, and high school wrestlers were miserable, those fucking guys. Oh, yeah.

Just jogging on the streets all day, every day, just in garbage bags, all through class i've i never have to i guess because i'm not in high school anymore true there was a fucking guy next to me that had an eating issue i think he was eating a lot and he wasn't supposed to he had a weight thing like he was a wrestler he had to spit for an entire period most of the time day of uh meat and it's like i can't do those sounds so like it was almost and you don't want to fight the wrestlers you don't want to smack a wrestler i mean that's bad news you know what i mean i'll be rolled up into a banana twist or whatever the

fuck it's called and i just you know i can't do it so you still have that in you i i never i i would always like if i had to lose weight i would would do it the normal way, like eat a little bit less and work out a little bit more. So I was not a big like spitting, like put a garbage bag on. Like those are only for the guys who would just like eat as much as possible and be like, oh my god, I got to lose eight pounds. And like that was never me. Got a lady with flowers at the front door. There's no chance I'm going up there to get that right now, lady. Hey, thank you. Set him yeah just put him down she's she's holding on to him right now just

put him down we'll get him so i gotta tell him i'll tell you what if this lady holds on to this for more than 10 minutes i'll give her can she see you no she's not even looking in she's like being very now she's thinking about it she's thinking about it, she's not even looking in. She's like being very... No, she's thinking about it. She's thinking about it. Oh, she dropped them. She dropped them. That was pretty quick.

That was pretty quick, I will say. People have been so kind. A lot of flowers here, a lot of gifts here. Thank you to everybody. Mackenzie's not going to remember any of it, but we will. Me and Samantha. Do you do any phone calls, Rhett? Just you.

Nothing to 5-Hour Energy phone line. No 5-Hour Energy phone line, no. He hates the line. We talked about it yesterday. No, I thought about it. I was actually going to, but then you popped up. And so I'm like, you know, this is more important. Don't lie.

We said we had a phone line yesterday. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah. I was like no we're serious i did think it was a joke but i didn't realize you actually had it so what did you say because i think nick texted me a voice memo he recorded you talking you said i don't even know what the word means either you said so we let the poppers call in is that what you said what is what is yeah that is uh that does not sound like me. You said the peasants? What did you?

No. I thought he said poors. No. None of those things ring a bell. I thought I think true fans is what I said. What's a popper? What's a popper? Ian, what is a popper?

Do you know what? I would say the most important thing as it pertains to what I think of the phone line is that these are the people who really matter who would call in. That's not the song you were singing yesterday. No, I think that's true. What is a popper, Ian? I don't know. I've never used that phrase.

That seems offensive to me. What does it mean, though? I don't know. I don't know. You went to Columbia? You went to Columbia, yeah. That wasn't in my classes. Feels offensive.

Yeah, feels offensive. I don't know if you took Pauper 101. Not as offensive as some other things being said recently, but it still feels offensive. There is a little bit of that. There is a little bit of that. I'd say. Was there 20 people listening to that radio show, too?

Oh, my God. I saw the station. I remember as a kid hearing that station when I saw it. Same amount of people listening to the radio station as there were at the Oakland A's game. Even the host too. The host kind of throwing himself into the fray there before good old Bob fired back.

He's still employed? Yeah. Yeah, he is. How? That was a fun little game me and Mackenzie played over under time when he gets fired. And Mackenzie was saying like, 8 p.m. tonight. Got to be 8 a.m. tomorrow. The sleep part.

He's still. That was wild. 2020. I mean, what's that? Probably like 2015 2015 probably not allowed 20 maybe even earlier than that 10 i mean yeah back just so casual now it's that's i mean there's a lot of problems with it but that is definitely one of them like probably not the first time he has said that. Whoa. Hey.

Careful, you don't want to get sued. Some of that going around, allegedly. There might be some news on that front, too. Oh, really? Oh. Oh. Oh. Whoa.

Is that what I was talking about yesterday for up to some season? Maybe. Oh, it was. Nah, it wasn't. I'll go ahead and let you know it was not what does popper mean ian never used it yeah come on don't know what's this voice memo you have not me he said so you guys let the poppers call in that doesn't selling me no that isn't yeah okay That's what it means. I hope this wasn't you. My God. What the hell?

The description is he died a pauper. Yeah, he died a poor person. I've never used that phrase. He died because you wouldn't answer his fucking phone call. I'll tell you this. If you're listening on the phone, we're not going to have time for you today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow. See you, paupers. Let me just shut up. listening on the phone we're not gonna have time for you today but maybe tomorrow maybe tomorrow

i was called a popper that's the only reason why i know that word i would like to clear where where were you at with this when uh because that's not a pittsburgh word no yeah somebody called me it was um it's like a medieval word it feels like a total elitist word yeah somebody called me it was um it's like a medieval word it was like a word yeah somebody told me like i think the exact quote was like i think i would like you even if you were a pauper oh and i was like wow what a compliment oh that's interesting what's what so i googled it i googled what it meant and then i went back to the person at the event and I was like you just introduced me to a new word I want to let you know probably was a pauper

and they go yeah I can tell by looking at you Jesus what AQ might have been at the event Jesus but who cares I mean I'm proud I'm proud of that I didn't like the way you were using it and throwing

it around about the five hour phone line this definitely not me someone else hey yeah uh just just if we could be real for a second sure what have we learned we learned you took steroids yep learned that tom palacero still a sack of shit yeah You can talk to Grant Hill. Were you the one to book Grant Hill, Rep? Sure. That's a no. The answer is no. No. But I did know who he was.

Yeah, I'd hope so. And he definitely watches a lot of basketball. A lot of basketball. I watched the whole fourth quarter of the Knicks game last night in preparation for Grant Hill and then did not even ask him a Knicks question. The Knicks dead, right? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they're down 3-1. Yep. How about – did you guys hear Greeny? Greeny had a wild take this morning. Oh, yeah. About Miami? Oh, yeah. Yes, he did.

About LeBron? No, about Miami. Why are we playing? Oh. The weather in Miami. I saw that. No. I didn't hear the weather in Miami.

The one I heard is if you had a playoff series and you had a pitcher on three days rest and it was game five, would you not let him rest and then pitch him game seven or something like that? Yeah, that's exactly what it was. Greeny, we love Greeny. I'm on Greeny's book i'm on fucking greeny's book yes love it sure sounds like his i host a daily show and steph curry just had a triple double and lebron james are in the same series we need this to get to seven games

but a lot of people are just saying oh this guy an idiot. This is what's wrong with all the things sports media. It's like, Greeny's talking specifically from his angle. We need this to go to seven. But also, I assume the NBA would make that go to seven. But that might not be the case, I guess. We'll see what happens. This next game is either going to be a Warriors blowout, and then to Greeny's point, they just come back game six and win it at home.

Or maybe they just close it out in five and LeBron does his thing. I seen a Corgi on Instagram. Oh yeah. Five for four for four. Yeah. That Corgi has the Golden State Warriors coming back and winning in seven. Yes, they do.

That means Pac-Man would not shave half his head. Let's go. That's what I'm rooting for. A third. You still doing that, Pac? Sorry, bro. Are you? You go. Fucking body him, Pac.

Body him. I am now. I would like to see you shave your head. Wow. For the people. I'm a fucking hater. Yeah. He just.

Pac, I don't want you to shave your head, but I am a Warriors fan. He put me up here and just. I think you'd still look cool. You're a Warriors fan? What about the kid from Mac? I was going to win high of our – Of course, I like LeBron, but I've been to Steph, and if I'm watching a basketball team, that's the problem.

I like to watch the Lakers and the Warriors. Unfortunately, one of them will be gone soon. That's why I don't – It says Greeny. That's all Greeny was saying. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well.

Greeny was like, let's just play basketball. What was – You think the Warriors can do it again, though? Win every game that they have to win? They got to win every game. They've won four championships. I don't know. Klay has taken some bad shots.

Bad. Yeah, Steve Kerr. So he's doing him. And Steve Kerr is very mad at Choms and Klay. I saw that. Did Choms break out on this program or his Twitter? I think this program. He hinted at this program.

That was when we knew he was up to something. And then he put it out on his own Twitter. Which I don't respect anyone who would do that. What do you mean? Jesus. Well, come on this show and just kind of dance around and then use your own platform to break. Oh, yeah.

What are his tweet? He's broken news in this parking lot leaving before. Yes. True. That was despicable. Did you guys talk about Punk God? No. No. Did not talk about Punk God.

Rap. You NFL media folk need to cover that just as hard as you Ridge. Feels like they're Ridge. I, uh, it feels like they're not, I don't know. Honestly,

I do not know if anybody knows what to make of it right now. I read the story from Dan Wetzel yesterday. It was a great story. Very informative. I read it with great interest. Um, yeah, I mean,

it's, there's a lot of questions that need to be asked, especially if the, you know, there's a lot of questions that need to be asked, especially of the, you know, there's a lot of questions. If it's true, if, if the, if this most recent story is true and I read articles as well, that is not good for anybody, you know, that's not good for actual victims. Okay. This is not good at all.

It's actually horrendous for it because there's idiots out there that will immediately say this upon any situation because of this situation being so high profile it's terrible in that particular case it's obviously not good for the punk god who i mean i assume he's still able to punt balls but you're talking about working your whole life or something and then just getting it completely. I mean, that's, that's a scary and very sad situation and it's not good for anybody. And I hope it ends up somehow positive in the end.

I hope, I don't know how, but I hope it does. And we still have to very much take those allegations serious. Anytime they come out in the future, like can't have people just automatically going, it's bullshit. It's all bullshit because of that situation

because that's not good at all either. So I'm hoping somehow there's a positive ending to all this. But damn, that was wild to read last night, Brad. That was wild to read. Yeah, and good reporting from Dan Wetzel to enlighten us on that. And I don't know. I mean, I assume as I read it that NFL executives read it. And, I mean, the Bills have a punter locked up.

But, I mean, I would wonder if your team that right now does not have one, if you might say, would we open the door back up? Because that was very specific and extremely clear based on what I read. Okay, so real quick, Rob. Yeah. Pivot away from that. Okay. Let's talk about Wetzel.

AJ fell asleep right in his face. I heard. Yeah. Ridiculous. Heard all about it. Great guy, though. Wetzel the Pratt. Is that where we're down in Florida?

Yeah. Or Orlando. I don't know if that's exactly what happened, but yeah. It was pretty humid. We were out on like a patio. It's like 800 degrees. It was humid. It was August.

A lot of elements that we were dealing with. And you were sleeping. Yeah. And Wetzel was talking. That was another element that you were dealing with. We were enjoying. You were dealing. That's the issue.

Well, luckily the next day I got a pair of con man shades and got to wear them during the show on the patio. Yes, so when I fell asleep I saw my eyes closed. If I did have a long blink during Wetzel then that at most that's what happened. It wasn't because of him. You know that.

Alright, I'm going to get out of here. I hear the wife and the baby rustling. Rap, you're a gentleman and a scholar, thank you for doing this i genuinely appreciate you making the trip from louisville up to indianapolis taking time away from your family which we know we know you love you know we know you oh yeah you miss the kids and the fam you did a fantastic job these have been two incredible episodes and i'm very very grateful for you rap i am grateful for you thank you guys for having me you guys are all awesome thank you rap appreciate you this was so cool yeah you did an interview of some sort you're talking about a

program i get asked about your program a lot yeah but you did an interview for that um that sorry ass horse you had in the uh in the kentucky derby i heard you're doing a lot yeah did you talk about our program in there thank you for being so kind i love you guys you guys are my people let's keep jace's road around i'm thinking about i heard about the horse, which you were in, one of the faces of the horse business. Yeah, sure. Should we not just create a farm and call it Instead of Glue Ranch? I mean, the world needs a lot of glue, Pat. There are a lot of arts and crafts classes out there.

Think about it. All those children who are trying to build stuff, sometimes you just got to take one or two for the team. I don't support anything he just said. How much glue do you get out of one horse though? Oh my God, no. Not enough. I'll tell you that much.

No. Connor. I'm just saying. Look at that pretty horse. I'm just saying. Look. That's sad. Torrico took like.

Yeah, I heard. Torrico like 30 minutes was like, hey, I heard. Torrico, like 30 minutes, was like, hey, we need to talk about this, he said. And I'm like, I didn't know that was happening the way it's happening. Seven horses? That's a lot. Do they all have to die?

Can we not do surgery on any of these horses? Like, hey, oh, this horse has made me hundreds of thousands of dollars. Oh, it's got a... It's for their... It is for their good. Oh, it's got a... It's for their... It is for their good. Oh, is it? That horse just sneezed. Let's slice its head off.

I don't. See, I am not qualified despite my... They like snap their legs, right? You can't put them in a cast. A horse isn't going to use crutches and have a cast on. You got to make sure that they have a humane existence. Yeah, and also

glue sticks don't grow on trees. So, I mean, what do you want? We got to go yin and yang, both sides. Thank you, Pat. Yo, it's yin and yang. Well, I heard that yesterday. This was ending on such a positive note. Well, that's the yin and yang of everything.

Why I am... Ah! See? Jerks. Even better news. It's like rubber cement, jerks. Oh, okay. So the world needs concrete. Okay.

No, they stopped using horses in the early 20th century. I just read it. That's only the white glue. What about the yellow glue? Yeah, and what about gorilla glue? Where does that come from? If they're killing gorillas, that's just as bad. What about violin strings? Yeah, well, that's different.

Oh, the hair. My God. See? These guys kill them to get their hair done. You got a horse in a race. You're on the track. That was fun. I hope when I die, I get used in some creative way, the way horses are. Yeah, but you're not going to roll your ankle,

and then we're just going to be like, you know what? Connor's dead now. You got to make – You never know. How bad did I roll it? You know? True. Because if it's bad –

That was alarming news. I didn't know that was happening at that time. Didn't some of them die – I know if something gets hurt on the track, they got to put them down right there. But didn't some die during the week in training, like they were overtrained? Is that what I heard?

I don't know why, but yes, some tragically did. It was very sad. They got to put them down right there. But didn't some die during the week in training like they were overtrained? Is that what I heard? I don't know why, but yes, some tragically did. It was very sad. So you're telling me just – Those guys are on all the gas, though, those horses. Oh, yeah. No, not allowed, right? They get tested.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're not allowed technically, but yeah. Seven's nothing. Look up Santa Anita. Watch one of those things when they get done running. Their vascularity is off the charts those things are mutants afterwards i i just don't understand why we can't do surgery what do we i don't you know what i mean i you got a table big enough to operate on one of them i mean that would be a that's due i've seen some veteran veterinarian i think it's the table. I agree. I think horses are majestic creatures. I agree.

We don't need to be killing them so fast. Bingo. What are we doing? Ian, why do you guys do that? I have no answers to these questions. Just cast them up. I just know I want them treated in the most humane way possible. Is that what they told you guys?

Hey, this is the answer? I mean, no. Hey, this guy pulled his hammy. Pulled his hammy. Shoot his face off. Oh, my God. That's basically what's going on. Exactly.

That's the worst. That's what it feels like. We don't know. That's the worst. We're trying to get a very good night's sleep, guys. Chop his head. Such beautiful pictures. He's snoring.

Yeah. Put a bullet in it then stuff he knows what is going on over it's kind of it was alarming to read about does this happen all the time it's the first time it's got national uh it's every once in a while something like this happens there's one a couple years ago at santan it's you know it's it's unfortunate and not what anybody wants all right on the flip side let's go out on a positive note. Okay. Cody's wish.

Yeah. Cody's wish that horse that I learned about where the horse basically went over to a kid. I, I don't know the proper diagnosis. So I'm not going to act like kid in wheelchair though. Horse goes over at some point and basically just like starts talking to this kid and like putting nose into kid's chest and then all of a sudden this horse goes on to win the preakness i believe freak nasty

or the breeders cup i think and then it won the race yeah that was on saturday yeah it won saturday and the way they told that story and the way that horse went out and won immediately afterwards, dude, I was bawling my eyes out. And I don't know if this is because I have a kid now or whatever, but that was not normal. This is very new to me. I was crying. AJ, you always say that once you have a kid,

you're just going to cry. I was, it was full on. I've never, I don't know if I've ever had that before in my life. I love that horse. We need more of those horses. There we go.

That's a pretty amazing story. Heartwarming. Look at that. It's the greatest. See, that was on a positive. Thank you, Pat, for bringing it back. Thank you. Thank you, Ian.

I'm going to go change a diaper and do my thing. There's some news. Allegedly, there's some rumblings. Sorry, rumblings, sorry, rumblings coming out about our future. Please know we're way too dumb to change. Okay. That's all I'm asking.

Have a little faith in how dumb we are, please. And, uh, boys, you had a great show. I appreciate you all. Ian, you're the man.

Thank you for this. See everybody pack. I'll see you next week, pal. See you. Bye. Yes, sir.

Bye. All right. All right. The greatest. That was nice that he lied and said nice Bye, Pat. All right, now. The greatest. That was nice that he lied and said nice things about me. All right, we really do have to go, though. He's not lying. And I'm not saying that because I'm literally going to the airport right now

and potentially in danger of missing my flight. But maybe. Maybe. Maybe. You should just row there. I should. Hey, man. Look at that guy.

Guys, for real. Thank you. Last time was awesome. This time was even better. I should. Look at that guy. Guys, for real, thank you. Last time was awesome. This time was even better. I enjoyed it. AJ, thank you. Pac-Man, thank you. You guys all rock. You crushed it. It's been a great show. That's all I got.

Thank you. Goodbye. Everybody get out of here. We'll see you whenever.