The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 906 - Pat Is Back In Studio, Kirk Herbstreit, Jeff "The Jett" Passan, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

On today's show, Pat is officially back in the saddle and is joined by Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys. They chat about Pat speaking at Disney's upfronts yesterday and the big news that was announced. They also cover the Ja Morant situation more at length after Adam Silver's comments about the situation, and everything else that is happening around the sports world. Joining the progrum to chat about the show moving to ESPN, what it means, how things are going to change (they're not), and why he thinks people feel the way they do about ESPN is the face of college football, NFL Color Commentator for Amazon Prime, and friend of the show, Kirk Herbstreit (30:08-54:16). Later, Senior MLB Insider, author, and journalist, Jett Passan joins the show to chat about the Aaron Judge "cheating scandal," if the changes to baseball's rules have been a success so far this season, Shohei Ohtani still being unbelievable, what's going to happen with the Oakland A's, and more (1:53:38-2:26:14). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this winter Wednesday, May 17th, 2023, this sports program starts right now. Welcome back! Ah! Woo! Come on now! Hit him with the stage up! You did, yeah.

Because we just actually, you know, Pac, right before we go live there, says, hey, what are we saying? We say sports. You guys are overselling it a little bit. I actually thought to myself, wow, weird interaction there. This must be a new communicative checkbox that we're scratching off the list here every single day. So I appreciated that.

And then it was completely different. It was welcome back. It's great to be here. Thank you for that, boys. Yesterday was a wild day in our lives. Obviously, a massive announcement was made. A lot of people pumped. A lot of people pumped. A lot of people not

pumped. A lot of people not pumped. I just would like to say, from the bottom of my heart, I appreciate everybody's passion and appreciation for this program. I would also like a little bit of faith. Just a little. Think about it. Huh?

Think about it. Huh? Kind of look at like everything that I've been a part of, pretty much. Like everything. A little bit different probably than what other people have been a part of. No offense to anybody else, but the way my conversations normally go with people, a little bit different than how they normally go.

And that conversation with the powers that be at ESPN right now and at Disney all had the same exact lineup. It's, hey, we are aligned. And I think the reason why I'm so excited for it is because sports media has really been like one particular thing for a very long time. And I know there's people that do different things other than debate, but the debate era certainly became a thing in sports media. And debates naturally lead to division and nitpicking and tearing people down because that is what debates do. So I think a lot of sports media was trying to mimic what Stephen A. Smith

and Skip Bayless created whenever it was morning pizza. Cold pizza. There it is. Yeah. In the morning. Normally it's cold in the morning. Well, because you order it at night. That makes sense. Pizza place is okay yeah what in the morning normally it's cold in the morning well because you're at night this place is not normally open in the morning so the morning cold pizza and then it became first take and it was steven a and skip and they were debating and it

was captivating because you're talking about two of the greatest debaters maybe in the history of all media not just sports those two going at it was must-see television. So anything is a monkey-see, monkey-do business. They start trying to mimic that, and that's become sports media pretty much. And as somebody that was on a team that got a chance to see a lot of players who get ridiculed in the media and the reaction of it, I always assumed like, hey, can we not be a little bit more positive? I think a lot of people thought that way. Because whenever you naturally get into debates, there is some putting people over, but normally it's this person's better than that person because I'm going to tear that person down.

So it's a little bit of a negative kind of vibe whenever you're talking about sports media. And real conversations have to happen. So we always wanted to celebrate sport. And in doing so, we might say some words. Sure. That adults say and the Internet says. And I think in the future it's going to be much more accepted because words don't really, you know. They're just spells. A little different. They don't cast spells. Yeah. Well, it's going to be much more accepted because words don't really, you know. They're just spells.

A little different. They don't cast spells. Yeah, well, it's just, it's a little bit. But I feel like we have always like celebrated sport, celebrated greatness. We try to utilize sport as a unifier. We have people in our demos, and I've had to go through all my stats and analytics for all these conversations I've had with people. We got people from this side of the spectrum politically all the way to this side of the spectrum politically and also touching the wall yeah yeah the the what we all know the fringes of

yeah we know far outside those ones out there because we all have the same kind of love for sport so i feel like we've always tried to put that at the forefront of everything we do if we wanted to be negative, it would run up numbers. Sure. It's an easy thing to do. And to be honest, with the talent we have on microphones on this particular stage, if we wanted to be negative people,

we'd be the best in the world at it. Like if we wanted to, if I was cutting heel promos on people every single day in sports, which is an easy way to run up numbers, be negative about it, then you kind of forget that the people you're talking about are humans as well,

who have feelings and work their asses off and everything like that. But if we're just looking at sports as objects and I'm cutting heel promos on people, and then you've got Connor in tie at the toxic table, chiming in on top of it, we could be the most negative fucks on earth. That is, that is a very easy thing, but we've chosen to do it in our own fashion. We've chosen to do it in our own way. It's been by design. I've been offered contracts from every platform or network that we were just talking to in the past. And I've said, nope, because the circumstances weren't right. It wasn't the right time. Now, it feels like the perfect time. Mostly because the president of content over there, Burke Magnus, brand new. Mostly because the president of content over there, Burke Magnus, brand new.

Okay? What? Been around ESPN a long time. This is his first couple months here in charge of content and what ESPN is as a whole. Since day one, literally, in the meetings that I've had to go to, this dude is like... He gets it.

We want... I want you in our thing. And he's not saying, hey, I want you here so that we can change you into what ESPN has been. It's like, hey, we want you to be a part of our operation. Jimmy Pataro, he and I did not know each other. Whenever ESPN was banning people from coming on our program, that is when, and this was a couple of years ago, when the hashtag ESPN stinks was trending for 10 hours, I think, because

of the way everything was going with them over there. I met Jimmy for the first time there, because he and I did not interact with each other since our first conversation, me and Jimmy Pataro. There's a reason he is the guy in charge of it all. And these executives at high levels normally seem to get it. Everybody else that's kind of... Underneath them. Probably going to remain there for a while.

There'll be a couple people that can go. Those people are the ones that go. They kind of see it and they get it. Me and Jimmy Pataro, since day one day one have been understanding he understood that the timing wasn't right he didn't want me to join the espn at that time because everything that happened there but he definitely wanted me on game day whenever everybody else seemingly in positions over there that could make decisions didn't so jimmy burke myself all aligned on what our show is how our show is what it will be when we go over there has eased my mind

so much because the backlash the negativity that happened on uh twitter what youtube what my instagram what my wife's instagram what people are commenting on my wife's instagram calling her her husband and uh new baby's father is a sellout or whatever it's like jesus yo motherfuckers i have no idea what do we what do we even what are we even talking about and the reason why i didn't like try to explain myself to everybody is because with this particular program and i know it sounds um arrogant or whatever but like i'm the host i'm the pundit we're the producers what gets talked about has to go through here what yeah like literally right here right here to right here yep and it's like that's never going to happen where it's going to become

you know so i just it's a very it's a cool thing with how passionate people are and how mad people got but i think we have a real opportunity here to change sports media as a whole because just like steven a and skip had success and everybody wanted to replicate it, if we're able to get in there and showcase that, hey, you're able to cover sports in a celebratory fashion, in a way that you're happy for people, as opposed to trying to prove why people shouldn't be in the position that they're in, I think there's a chance that that could maybe ooze in to other decisions that are being made. And we have a real opportunity here to change a narrative i think about an entire division of people sports media and i i think it's i think it's one that i'm incredibly honored to have oh yeah and just like

i said at the end of the video like thankful that espn's people in charge kind of see this as well but i hope that there comes a time where there's a lot of opportunity for not only ex players who have podcasts, but just people who choose to cover sports in a way where it's like, Hey, we're fucking, we love competition. If you want to deal with the real world and everything outside of it and

negativity, you can, there's a lot of places for that, but here let's enjoy the greatness that we get to watch. So I hope we have success. I hope it works out great they're gonna take it on the shins a lot oh yeah they're gonna take it on the shins a lot the first couple we are already i'm getting i'm getting battered but fans of this show are

murdering me right now for this whole thing and it's like you have no idea i don't know but they're gonna take it as well and we've had numerous convos about how like hey let's go let's give this a real go we both going to have to wade through a little bit, but we'll be good in the end. And I'm very, very, very, very thankful that we're getting the opportunity to be on every single television in America. Everywhere.

Every single fucking television in America, pretty much our show is going to be on. That's good news. That's not bad news. And if we're able to remain the same, and I've said fuck five, six times here already, and we'll have to dial that back. And I didn't say, like there's going to be a couple that slip through. It's going news. That's not bad news. And if we're able to remain the same, and I've said fuck five, six times here already, and we'll have to dial that back. And I didn't say, like, there's going to be a couple that slip through.

It's going to happen. There's going to be a couple that slip through. Happen on the simulcast. But please have faith that we will be able to produce a show that is entertaining and still our soul and our spirit, because that is literally what the entire conversation was. Other than that, I am so pumped to be a part of the ESPN. I'm fired up. Dude, yesterday I was at these Disney upfronts.

This is a suit Super Bowl. Yeah. This was the suit Super Bowl. I had no idea what I was walking into. I actually led off. Now, they did have a teleprompter. Oh, okay. All of them working?

Well, I guess a couple of them dropped off right before the whole thing started, but tech is a real nightmare. But the teleprompter, well, this is kind of a great explanation. This is kind of the perfect embodiment of the situation here. So these upfront, I've never been to. I've owned a digital media company for five years, never did an upfront,

never been to an upfront. That's a poor business decision, I think, now after what I just realized yesterday. But also, I think we're an anomaly in that particular front. I don't know if that's going to happen many times going forward. I let off with it. But as I'm talking to them and I'm watching it all happen, in the back, there's a teleprompter. And it's big.

It's like that, right? Bigger than that. This is a massive teleprompter in the back. Yeah, that's probably the right size. As you look at this camera, that's probably the right size. Okay. I don't know how many motherfucking people were there. Huge.

I had no idea what I was walking into. Huge. This stage, holy shit. This thing is probably 75 yards wide. Damn. Jesus. Bro, it was one of the most, maybe 75 yards. That'd be a bit much.

It's still massive. Huge. It's still massive. Huge. It's still big. Huge, huge. 53 and a third. Probably football field wide. LED boards like maybe 40 feet. A couple stories.

Huge thing. I did not know how. That was a big to-do. Yeah, big deal. That was a big to-do, and I had no clue. Did no research, obviously, but I had been getting emails from the people that were setting it up. And like, hey, here's some talking points. Here's what you should maybe talk about.

And I'm just responding like, yeah, yeah, cool. I'll see you guys when you get there. Like, just not even really understanding. I thought this was like, hey, tips here, some things for you. Look how fucking big this is. Oh, my God. That's Orlovsky in the middle there dano laura and des and then like right to the left here there was this huge tele i mean gigantic thing i've ever seen the notes that were in the email were on

that teleprompter okay and i didn't even there was not even a thought of looking at that thing not even a single thought and then i guess nick was backstage and nick heard the he's not reading the teller he's he's not reading the teleprompter i went they gave me two minutes that was never gonna happen uh what are we talking about four five you know what i mean did the whole thing had a blast but it was the suit super bowl and in in the suit super bowl i met Serena Williams yesterday. Holy shit. Bro, fucking Serena Williams. She was talking to Elle Duncan.

And I forget who else was in the conversation. Somebody from ESPN backstage before we went on. Because we showed up late, too. I mean, typical. That's how it goes. Typical, like 25 minutes before showtime, we got there, had to do a couple pictures, walk through the city, was sweating, drenched, then go right backstage.

Show was starting. Hey, you're on in like nine minutes so i mean i walked in that place to when i was on stage probably 24 minutes or so and i had to go through an entire thing but as soon as we get backstage i see serena williams like six feet from me i'm like oh my god so i interrupt her conversation with l duncan i go i'm so. You're the fucking best, dude. You're an absolute dog. I mean, you changed the world. Very nice to meet you. My name's Pat. She shakes my hand. Okay. She's been holding a tennis racket a long time. Strong. Scrum.

Real deal, dude. I'm like, hell yeah, man. I'm fucking happy you existed. I want to let you know that. And then I walked away and I'm like, Serena fucking Williams is here. And then all of a sudden, guess who pops by? Ryan Seacrest. Come on. Ryan, holy shit.

Ryan Seacrest is here. The Kardashians? Excuse me? Come on. The Kardashians? Bullshit. Come out of the elevator? There is an entire film crew.

I didn't know this many people could be on one elevator, to be honest with you. We were going on this elevator to get to another part of the building or whatever backstage. We're waiting for the elevator doors open up. And when you see the back of heads, you know, normally everybody's facing the elevator. We see back heads like five wide, camera, microphone, whole thing packed in there. Me and Nick just kind of back up a couple steps. And we're with our guy, Billy, who was assigned to us. He's a Disney liaison pretty much.

This kid's a dog. From New Jersey, went to Ole Miss, love everything about him. So we, like, back out of the way because all the people that are coming, they're filming the Kardashian show with Hulu. New season. Literally right there. Kim and Khloe walk out, I do believe, and then a couple of the others. And it's a whole team.

And I literally, I don't know if it's going to make the cut. I go, holy shit. Good luck out there. That's literally all I say. And they just, the whole crew just kind of meanders around of meanders thank you yeah they all meander around the crew and then we hop in the elevator and we're like this is absurd get up to the top michael strahan is sitting right come on then joe buck troy acheman are there and then it's just one after another who's who i go up to a lounge alex honnold you know the guy that was climbing yeah yeah he's

just sitting there hanging out or whatever. It was after I got done speaking. I'm like, holy fuck, that's that guy who just hangs off the side of cliffs or whatever. I walk over to him and I sit down next to him because the show was on TV. The lounge area was an interesting thing. I don't think we were acting right in there. What do you mean?

There was an open bar to the back left. I've had a baby two weeks ago. I have a whiskey and diet. What? Nick orders Maker to the back left. What? I've had a baby two weeks ago. I haven't really. I have a whiskey and diet. What? Nick orders Maker's Mark pretty thick. What? And we start drinking it, and we realize nobody's making any noise at all, and nobody has used this bar at all.

It's a pretty big room, pretty important group of people. So we just start, eh, whatever. Dan Orlovsky, after his riveting performance on the stage, which it was. Gets a Shirley Temple. He comes. No, he got wine. Oh, wow. But then we started laughing. Then the Bachelor shows up. Jesse Palmer. Jesse Palmer. Come on. So handsome.

This fucking guy. He's a good looking guy. So he gets wine. Then Joe Buck, Troy Aikman come walking in. Big Troy. Dude, it was he started having a good time. Everybody else watching the thing. I didn't know what it was supposed to be. But that's what comes with joining a network.

It's like all those connections that we would never have. And if we did want to have them, the amount of work it would take, emails, texts, legitimizing ourself to people, to get to the whole thing, to get to there. It's like for the good of our show, for the good of everything we got going on, joining a network that has connections and access everywhere and one that wants you to succeed

because how much they're taking it on the shins for signing us as well. It's like it's only going to be a great thing. And I think last night walking around and just like, holy shit, that's the fuck. Who was the cop? Who was the-? Who was the? Oh, yeah.

Oh, Bo Deedle. Bo Deedle. Bo Deedle. Legend. Caesar. You know the dog guy? Caesar Milan? He was there.

I walked up to Caesar. I'm like, hey, I try to do you to my dog. It doesn't always work. I don't think I have enough intensity on that. But I do appreciate your service or whatever. He goes, oh, you should try. And I'm like, all right. Caesar Milan.

No, that's not right. Chuck's not going to listen. He's still pooping you should try. And I'm like, alright. Chuck's not going to listen. He's still pooping inside. You met the real Damar Hamlin. Not Michael B. Jordan. Not the actor. Not the clone. How do you know? He is in Disney movies. The clones look exactly the same as real people. That's the actual clone type.

I've never met Damar Hamlin in my life. Okay. Including last night? No. Yesterday I did. This is what I'm saying though. Nick's first question to me and Nick is there. Did you fingerprint him? Okay. So that's kind of what Nick said.

Nick said, uh, I didn't even think about this. I was kind of just a whirlwind. What up tomorrow? And I said, man, so cool.

What your body did. You know what I mean? Like good to see you here. People said you were fucking dead dude. And your body's like, nah, you know what I mean? I'm not going to die. That is an amazing thing. And it was crazy how we all watched it. Are. And your body's like, nah. You know what I mean? I'm not going to die.

That is an amazing thing. And it was crazy how we all watched it. Are you good? He's like, yeah, I was practicing today. Did that whole thing. Dap up, picture. He's a Pittsburgh guy. He was his guy.

I got a chance to meet him face-to-face. Awesome interaction. All right, we're going to get out of here. Kind of that area and leave. Nick goes, you think I was the real DeMore Hamlin? I'm like, what's your problem, Nick? It's a question. Nick, what's your problem, Nick? It's a question. Nick, what's your

problem, Nick? I was like, but it did feel I mean, it felt like, but I don't know who DeMar Hamlin was beforehand. If they found like a Paul McCartney situation, which is another conspiracy, where this guy is going to be even better at football than DeMar Hamlin somehow and look exactly like him, I'll be very impressed. But that was an actual conversation

happening around the internet at one point during the DeMar Hamlin story, and that's how dead he he was so that is why we kind of have to bring up how strong this motherfucker is in fact he's already practicing it's incredible but that is literally what that upfront was yesterday the suit super bowl and then everybody pretty much saw peyton obviously saw eli what eli yelled at me while we're walking down the street Rolls his windows down Oh my god is that Pat McAfee And I'm like who is that And it's Eli hanging out his window So Eli good to see you man

Are you going to the He goes I was just there And then he It was great dude it was awesome I had a lot of fun You saw future WWE Hall of Famer Bianca Belair Montez Ford Hell yeah I saw the Crawfords.

That was incredible. Good to see them. It was great, dude. It was awesome. I had a blast. It was the suit Super Bowl. I had no idea what I was walking into. I had no clue that I should have answered that guy's notes. You know what I mean? And the whole thing. But also, follow-up, said fuck

at a Disney upfront, which leads me back to please do not expect us in our situation to go the same way as others have yes in the past because i that's not how this brain works it's not how this whole thing works i feel like deep down i have a good heart i mean well i feel like sports are a unifier so i'm very comfortable being us it would never agree to something that we weren't because if we're to get attacked by somebody for saying shit or covering something in a funny way i'm okay sitting in the pocket in defending us yeah literally just happened

with something that just got settled for no money at all or apology which some of these networks that are reporting the whole end of the brett farve lawsuit it's like i am very confident in us i'm very proud of us i'm very like okay with who we are and i always will be and that's why the espn partnership is so good because we're at a point in time now where they recognize that as well yeah now to the boys your thoughts toxic table at boston connor at Ty Schmidt. Yesterday, your reaction. No, like you said, I mean, I think we kind of knew for a while that the reaction was going to be two-piece like that.

There were going to be a lot of people who were pumped up for us because, I mean, you texted me last night, and you were talking about the box truck, and it was like, what did you say about how we're in a – like, there have been so many iterations of this show. Like, it's been the same the whole time, but, like, we have had to change and, like, kind of evolve and do all these different things.

Like, we were doing shows from the back of a box truck with no internet where literally anything that could go wrong was going wrong. And that was at a point where we couldn't swear, when we were all probably really pissed off and, you know, like, very hot-headed and we still had to do a three-hour show. Wait where we couldn't swear when we were all probably really pissed off and, you know, like very hot headed. And we still had to do a three hour show. No, not when we were in the box.

I was told the whole time we did the show. We, we could swear. Well, exactly. No, but, but it really is.

It's like, you know, for all the people who don't have any faith, like us going to ESPN too, like they know what they're signing up for. Like to your point, like you've been lockstep with these guys that you're talking to in these positions of power.

It's much different than if ESPN hires someone and they think they're getting a cookie-cutter, suit-and-tie person who goes up there and then says some shit that gets them in hot water. They've seen the show. They've seen the clips. They know exactly what they're getting with this show. It's awesome. Diggs tweeted it, like, I mean, it's awesome. You know, Diggs tweeted it, and I was thinking about it, too. It was like, I remember graduating from high school and saying in my speech, you know, about, like, about, you know, like.

You gave a speech at graduation? Yeah, I gave a speech, yeah. For what? What do you mean? Why did you give a speech? Because I was a valedictorian, I mean. Oh! Holy shit!

We got a valedictorian on the show? No, but I was talking about, like, you know, don't be afraid to, like, you know, capture your dreams or go after your dreams. You know, it was basically a rip-off of Rudy. You know, what Pete says to him before he dies. I basically said it word for word, but I said in that, I was like, I mean, shit,

I want to work at ESPN one day. Like, you think that's going to happen? So, like, coming back to that yesterday, like, just the whole full circle, and then also just looking back at everything we've done since we first got here, like, it's fucking wild, man. It's crazy. It is bananas. And the box truck days, we were in Louisiana on a Thursday night in August.

Yeah, oh, so fucking hot. With no air conditioning in the back of the bus. We had to do... I don't want to pat ourselves on the back too much here. There's been a lot of celebrating, a lot of things lately, but we did a show every single day, five

days a week, two separate podcasts, too. It wouldn't be the live show. Podcasts had to be own content. So we had five days a week. We did't be the live show. Podcasts had to be own content. So we had five days a week. We did a three hour show. One of the days being in the back of a box truck on location somewhere. Late nights. While producing two podcasts

that were separate from the live show every day. Thursday night football in those towns that we were doing the show in box trucks. Get up on Monday in New York. Then we would do the show literally live from one of the World Trade buildings. Yep. Building.

I think it was building two. I would walk from get up to this building. We do our show live from there on Monday. Yep. Fly home. Tuesday live show from Indianapolis. Wednesday live show from Indianapolis. Fly to where Thursday Night Football is Wednesday evening.

Thursday doing show live from Box Truck. All the while having a production meeting immediately afterwards and before that show Thursday night football in same town as that hop on plane Friday show in Indianapolis two hours Friday night plane college game day the next morning plane back to Indianapolis Sunday plane to New York City start the week back over again that was three to four Yeah. So that was our show at one point, that box truck we had to build. Yep. Okay. So we had to build that. Tim McAfee, a couple of others. We bought the box truck,

built the box truck, figured out how the box truck could work. Yeah. It's like, that was just a few years ago. Now if we want to do a show on the road, it's going to be pretty cool to be like, Hey ESPN, well, you guys had all this shit. now if we want to do a show on the road it's going to be pretty cool to be like hey espn well you guys hate all this shit thank you you guys you know do game day every week and on location stuff we would like to do a live show from boom is there any way we could do that you got it bang they set the thing up are we going to be a lot are we going to be able to be on the internet yes well the microphones definitely work yeah Why do you even ask that question? Well, you know, every week.

We've actually done shows live on location where we had no microphones that worked. That's tough. But we made a show. Yeah. Got a phone, called into something. While we're from there, talking through phones, connecting through another city. It's like building the studio in Tampa. Yeah.

In a living room. Oh, yeah. through another city it's like building the studio in tampa yeah in a living room oh yeah it's like this is the people i i the there was some disrespectful shit being said a lot of it come on man we've been through it here even though it's only been like five years i think that underscores the point too of like why you would go to espn like it's not like a woe is me like we get to do this this is fucking awesome this is our job and we get to do this every day but like it is work like there is serious work that goes into producing one of these shows every single day and we do it all in-house like sales yeah booking what production what rental what everything well it's it's all us so like yeah like you can see like as the longer you do that and you know when more people watch and you get to a point,

it's like, okay, well, how can we make this better? You don't want to have to wake up every single morning and be like, oh, shit, we need three guests today. Who are we going to get? Who are we going to get? At 11 o'clock, let's figure out how we're going to book the show in the next hour. That kind of stuff is stressful,

and it just adds more shit onto your plate where it's like, hey, we can't go out there and just perform when the lights are on and do the show. So when you go to a place like ESPN where they have kind of some of that... A bullpen of people. Exactly. Where literally all we got to do is say, hey, we need baseball today, basketball today, and we are just going to...

Now granted, guests are vital to this show and we appreciate everybody that comes on this show. Absolutely. But the ability just to say, and I don't want to say be, I feel like it's disrespectful. We have somebody on the show, and they're only on for like four minutes. Right.

I feel like. It sucks for everybody. I feel like it's disrespectful. But with like an expectation of us being an ESPN program and helping the ESPN family out, which we are honored to be a part of, pumped to be a part of. I'm very pumped to be a part of Jimmy Pitharro and Burke Magnus' fucking team.

We are going to work our asses off for this to be successful. Especially a lot of that shit that was said yesterday. That was all pretty disrespectful, but also for the future of sports media, we have an opportunity to kind of change it a little bit. Sending a text, hey, for a five-minute or a four-minute hit

for somebody from basketball or baseball or any of these sports, pickleball, tennis, anything like, hey, we have a couple questions today about this person. Can we have them on fire, rapid-fire questions at them? Then we're back to just doing what we do. It's like that is a weapon. That is an absolute weapon to be able to do that, let alone the stars that ESPN has already on their roster.

We're getting a chance. It's like our life gets made easier. For sure. It gets made easier. Absolutely. And I think it gets a lot better. I think the show gets a lot better. Being able to show NBA highlights this morning,

a joker having a triple-double in the first half. That's pretty nice. That'd be pretty sick. That'd be a lot of fun. Think of us going bananas on those things. That is joining a network, which every other show that you ever watch is all part of a network.

Every single one of them. I was being called a soft-ass bitch shell-out. And then I looked, and the person has like... Retweeting Mike Greenberg. No, not Mike Greenberg, but like other people. Or just anyone.

But like those people are a part of a, you know, behind the scenes those people have a full network helping them. We do not have that. No. It would be great to be able to get some of that, especially with a place that has every television screen in America pretty much. It's like this is, I don't know. It was a fun day yesterday.

A lot of celebrating. Shout out to the players. Tyreek Hill sent a little love. A lot of people on camera who understand and have been in the business sent their love. Ex-ESPNers who built up ESPN. Eisen and others. Labithard sent a congratulations. It's like, it's a pretty cool, it was a pretty cool day yesterday in that facet of it all.

Well, and all the examples that I saw, because there was a lot of good things on the internet, but for every good thing, there's got to be a bad thing. It just felt like our fans were the meanest. That's what doesn't make sense. And you said it in the video, which I assume they just didn't watch, because a lot of things that I saw was legitimately addressed by that five-and-a-half-minute video that you posted to make the real announcement.

And tweeted three minutes after the tweet went out, so they definitely didn't watch it. Yeah, exactly. And the things that were said were just like, you explained, hey, look, why would we, as a group, choose to go somewhere that we would have to change when you've seen what we've done the last five years? I thought about this yesterday and i obviously someone should go through the numbers there probably hasn't been anyone that's been at live as much as we have as a sports program since covid like there's no way that anybody has done that that's certainly the case we're the only ones live yeah that's what i mean there's

like race rights we were live during race yeah COVID. We are pretty much the only show, I think, that was live in the middle of that whole thing. It's like we take a lot of pride in what we do. Like I take a lot of pride in what we've become in the show we are. So like the people that are supposed to, you know, who have helped us through this whole thing, like our own people just murdering us.

Oh, yeah. That was a little devastating. But I also know like it's the way this show works. It's like this is how the subjects of the show go. Yeah. And what would they make us do? I was trying to think about this on a plane last night with Nick. I'm like, why is everybody so mad?

I didn't understand why. And not everybody, obviously. Why are all of these people so mad about this whole thing? And Nick said, well, they think this will lead into this and then this. I'm like, so ESPN is going to give me a list of things I have to say? Yeah, exactly. I don't understand how that's going to work. I've been with me 36 years.

It's a long time. I think like third grade on, like telling me something is a very difficult thing to do. Now, if we're together, right, if we're thinking together, then I'm with it. I'm all in. But like directing me as an adult, I don't think that is how I operate. And I don't understand if that's what people think is going to happen. I don't know.

Tony Diggs is here. Pac-Man Jones is here, the absolute man. Pac-Man, we can't wait to see. You know, you continue to grow in our universe. This guy's a fucking dog, dude. Hell yeah. Friends with Stoner. Joining us now is a man who has been a massive part of us joining ESPN

and a guy who got me on game day for the first time. A man who's been pushing for this literally since the day I met him in the back of an Uber in Charlotte, North Carolina, airport to hotel of the college football symposium that they have down there. I just signed a deal to do college football the day beforehand. They said, we need you in Charlotte tomorrow. Is that possible? Sure.

Once again, I had no idea what I was walking into. End up in the back of a car with Kirk Herbstreit. It's like a 30-minute drive. We talked to each other. And then from that moment on, it felt like, hey, this is an actual human here, the face of college football. A friend of mine, ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Herbstreit. Herbie, how are you, pal? Hey, guys.

Hey, congratulations to Pat, not just you, but to the whole group, man. Like you said, I've been a big fan of what you guys do and how you do it for a long time. And we were lucky enough to have you on game day last year. I didn't notice you changed your brand on game day last year. You were you the entire way through all the way to the end of the season. That's what you'll continue to be. Anybody that knows you knows that's the only way you'll ever be.

So, man, congrats, man. I'm fired up. I can't wait to hear how yesterday went, you know, in detail. You're going to have to. I just want to know, Pac-Man, what's up, fellas? What's up? Everybody, I hope you guys are good. I just want to hear when they said, how did they say it at the upfront?

How did you come out? Did you do like a WWE flex? How did it go down? I didn't know what I was walking into. You've been to those before? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That is the corporate event. I mean, that is like, you know, like comedians talk about like doing corporate events or speaking at corporate events. And like that was the Super Bowl. You knew that that's what I was walking into. I had no idea, Herbie. Yeah. Yeah. So the times I've done it it i'm the dummy that does

what they say you know they're like okay here's the here's the prompter you know al's gonna say this you're gonna say that and roger goodell's gonna come out and you guys just ask him a couple i'm like okay all right and i'm like there's no way you're going to do whatever their rehearsal was. I was like, Pat's just going to show up and just shock the world with whatever he's about to do. I dropped a fuck in there. Did say that was a one time. The teleprompter, the guy's name was John. And I'd like to let John know.

It was nice meeting him. He had great hair. John had great hair. had great hair his hair was fantastic he owns uh a consulting company i think oh he was a part of the presentation of that whole thing he was emailing me i didn't know he was at like asking for like hey i need your actual thoughts i was literally just responding all right sounds good see you guys at this time see you at this time all of his notes in that email were on the teleprompter and so i think there was a chance john thought and was probably telling the people that he works for like hey this is what he's gonna they were sliding that i saw like words

just moving nick in the back so he's not reading the teleprompter there's nothing that whole thing's happening then they just the screen went black the teleprompter and then they put like a red x on it at one point and then a wrap it up was put on there and i'm gonna start laughing or whatever but like big pop from the room afterwards where they're like you didn't even read the we're looking you did not read the the teleprompter it was like no i had no idea the teleprompter was that serious it's a serious ordeal the teleprompter is a big part of the whole thing i did not know that i had no fucking idea herbie wait wait wait they thought you were going to read their script i think so yeah i think they did this consulting I did not know that. I had no fucking idea. Herbie. Dude, wait, wait, wait.

They thought you were going to read their script? I think so, yeah. I think they did. This consulting company. Yeah, it was awesome, Herbie. That's what I'm saying, though. Everybody who's like, oh, they're going to ruin it. How? What are we even talking about?

Were you solo out there on the stage, or was there somebody out there with you? No, yeah. I didn't even know what the stage was. I should done more research you know this is just like dadding like i didn't do any research and uh the baby comes two weeks early i was going to do the research right yeah but it got you know what i mean it was soon there was a deadline that i had need to learn test got moved up all of a sudden i'm fucked i got nothing but i didn't even look into this i had no idea what this was and i I talked to the boys about this. We've owned a digital media company for five years,

done zero upfronts. That is an abnormality. There it is. Tell everybody who's in the audience. Everybody. Every suit you could imagine. I think Gary Bettman was in the audience at one point. I think every advertising agency, which we have great relationships with.

State Farm. Us and advertising agencies get along very, very, very well. All them are out there because they're big script people too. They send you a script, read the script, don't need any ad libs, okay, do your thing. Yeah, we're not going to do that. We've lost some companies that were in the crowd

probably. All suits though, Herbie. Every single one of them that you could imagine were out there. that and we've lost some companies that were in the crowd probably yeah all suits though herbie every single one of them that you could imagine were out there and i did not know that i peeked my head around the the curtain and i was like audible oh fuck holy all right okay serena just got done speaking and l duncan's out there and then all of a sudden l duncan's pat mcafee and then i'm like be a little different. Tough crowd though. I think I got him by the end. I think I got him. I wasn't getting off that stage by the time I got him.

Did Joe and Troy follow you? Was Peyton there? I mean it was a huge presentation I'm assuming, right? Peyton was there. He talked about Omaha and everything Omaha was doing with him. The Monday Night Mailing. He had a great one. I mean, he was great.

I think directly after me. I don't know. Nick, who was after me? Do you remember? Don't recall because I ducked back as well. Yeah, because I got ushered off and then I'm out of there. And then I see, you know, the Kardashians and Seacrest and Strahan in the whole thing. You know what I mean?

That was a full. It was wild over Oh, yeah. It was wild over there, dude. Yeah, I knew. But I almost wanted to fly to New York just to see it. Just to see it. I wonder who knew, you know? I didn't know any of those people, dude.

We were sitting backstage all by ourselves. We kind of looked like nerds. Everybody was gathering. Spida was there? Donovan Mitchell? Oh, nice. We kind of looked like nerds. Everybody was gathering. Spida was there, Donovan Mitchell. Oh, nice. Yeah, he was sitting over there. I should have went up and talked to him a little bit more. But everybody was kind of meandering over here, chatting like social hour before show starts.

Me and Nick trying to get my jacket off. It was too small. I gained too much baby weight. Sweating, trying to just get some air before I go out there. And we're just standing by ourselves in the corner pretty much for 10, 15 minutes. But, you know, next year we'll be – we're not getting invited back. There's no way I get invited back to that thing, Herbie. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, you will. Yeah, you will. Hey, there's a lot of money in that room, Herbie. You get a chance to talk to that room. You talk to that room. You know what I mean? Well, they need all that money for you and your team to be able to come on over to the fifth ward no no i heard i heard the reported number of what we got yeah once again can we have a little fucking faith you know what i mean one time i understand

these agents want me to do terrible okay because i'm negotiating my own fucking deals so i understand that but i got respect for you guys okay i got i got respect you do. I would just like a little bit in return. A little bit in return, Herbie. Who do you think leaks that kind of information? I don't know. It's just like sports stuff. Why are people leaking information? Well, it makes them look good probably. It makes them look better.

Why is this information getting out? Always got to think about that. I don't care if the number ever gets out, but I don't like that my business sense is also getting all caught in questions. Like, motherfucker. Can you break down? I've heard so many different things.

What exactly you guys are going to do? Yeah, it sucks you. It sucks you. You're losing service. Can you go through, like, the main... Yep, sucks. Can't go through it service. Can you go through, like, the main... Yep, sucks. Can't go through it all. Wish we could.

Yeah, sorry. Can't do it. Bad journalism there from Herb. Jeez Louise, this is what ESPN is. Yeah. Always driving. Oh, no. I see him on the screen.

Yeah, muted. I can see him, but... Can't hear him. He's muted. Zeke's talking to him. I've never on the screen. Yeah, muted. I can see him. Can't hear him. He's muted. Zeed's talking to him. I can see him talking. Calling him back. I say, Zeed, I'm driving over this goddamn overpass.

He's always on the go. This guy never stops. Well, just fucking stop. Yeah, hang on for a second. He did go on, you know, after college football season's over. Yeah. And the NFL season's over. And we take that little break

and then we're back. Other people that just do the football schedule, they take like another break. And then they take another break. And then you get texted pictures from like places and it's like,

that's what you're doing? It's Tuesday, bro. Go to, well, don't have to. It's like, what do you mean? But Herbie's always on the move.

Always working. Ladies and gentlemen, with service, Kirk Herbshire. Here you go, Kirk. It's like... What do you mean? But Herbie's always on the move. Always working. Ladies and gentlemen, with service, Kirk Herbshire. Here you go, Kirk. Herbie, how you doing, pal? Oh, no. I'm good. I just... Hey, am I out again?

No, no, you're good. You're good, dude. That's a good-looking truck, too. Good-looking truck. Gorgeous. Yeah, the dog's awesome as well. Oh, two dogs. What's up, boys?

Snooze. Look at my man. Look at the king just laying there like a beast. Yeah, absolute dog, actually. Hey, lay. Good dogs. That's Caesar. Got it.

dogs yeah yeah that's caesar i thought got it yeah tell me tell me honestly the main things that you're most excited about with this thing because i i there's so many different stories with what you guys are going to be doing what's one of the main the main aspects of this this this uh okay new relationship i think good news good news. I'm very happy about it at least. Game day is another... We signed a good term deal for that. Hell yeah, Herbie. Hell yeah, Herbie. We got that. That was a part of the whole combo. That was cool.

Selfishly, that's big. Yes, that's big. I love that. Hey, me too, selfishly. I fucking love being on that show. That's wrestling and football. Yeah, I love that. Hey, me too, selfishly. I fucking love being on that show. That is a... Yeah. That's wrestling and football. Yeah. Gotta love it. We love having you, buddy.

That's huge. I don't know about everybody, but I do love the fact that you do because you're the face of that goddamn show. I appreciate that whole thing. But we'll go noon to two on ESPN Linear. So we'll be on every television in America. Yep. And also ESPN's YouTube.

ESPN Plus and the ESPN app, which numbers are, I heard it yesterday, bigger and better than ever before at the upfront. Yep, love to hear it. But being on ESPN's YouTube Live at the same time as Linear was a massive piece of the conversation. They had to thread a real needle over there due to deals they have with Comcast and

TV and everything like that. They had to really... That was a massive holdup for a couple networks that we were talking to and ESPN and Burke and Jimmy were like, we'll make it happen. We'll make it happen. So that I think I'm most excited about because we'll be the first one that's doing that.

And I assume this is what the future is going to look like with everybody pretty much. So I'm very, very pumped for us to get to do that. Remain on YouTube Live at the same time as we're there. Because then you're welcoming in a global audience at the same exact time. And people that are working that can't be in front of a TV. Like sports fans, you know, I know there's a lot of different styles of sports fans, and that's why sports are so incredible, but you got a lot of blue-collar motherfuckers

who have to work in the middle of the day, in the middle of the week, that can't necessarily get in front of a TV. It's like, well, YouTube, pocket, phone, we're there still. So it's like, I feel like that is a big, I'm very, very, very, like, I don't want to say proud of that, but, like, I am pretty pumped about that particular aspect and once again jimmy burke and bob all had to be 100 on board as well which makes me feel very good about the future too of everything you know

what i mean herbie yeah for sure and i is this one like on fridays for game day will you will you do your show yeah like if we're in Fort Worth, will you? And I know you've always done it on the road by yourself. Will you and the guys all show up to that? Or if there's a big NHL finals at ESPN and it's in Edmonton or wherever it is, will you go to that? That's not Edmonton, especially with the team they got. If we're talking finals, I don't know. Sorry about it, Edmonton. Not happy. Yeah, sorry about it. Once you get to Edmonton, though with the team they got. If we're talking finals, I don't know.

Sorry about it, Edmonton. Yeah, sorry about it. Once again, Edmonton, though, will be watching on YouTube. Yeah, that's right. So there is some people maybe in Edmonton. But yeah, that was also another part of it. We were doing shows out of the back of a box truck where we didn't know if we were going to be able to have internet connection

and if the microphones were going to work. We were in the middle of Louisiana. It was 155 degrees. We had no clue. But we wanted to do live shows on location, go experience things. So it's like now with ESPN's help, that's a lot easier to kind of, to your point about game day, I'm pretty sure, yeah, like that's what Friday is going to be, I think.

So, and then I think we're thinking, I mean, there's so many thoughts now that we have the ability to operate within the universe of espn that has connections and access everywhere you know now it's just time to weaponize it almost from our standpoint so you know how we would be in a game day production meeting and um you'd whisper something to me about, man, I think it'd be better maybe if we consider doing this. And I'd be like, tell him, tell him. I'm not going to tell him. Now that you're officially part of the company, will you now be comfortable enough in giving your editorial thoughts on shows?

Your show, your show, your show, your show, your show. But I do have a lot more comfort, I think. Our show. Yeah, but I'm joining your show. I'm joining your show. I mean, have a little respect for what you built for 27 fucking years, okay? But I do think I have a little bit more comfort

with the humans and also a little bit more knowledge on how the show goes, you know? So, like, me coming in there week six being like, shouldn't do that, with zero real information on how the show goes would have been asinine in my eyes. But I do appreciate you empowering me to say stuff. I probably won't. Well, and then one other thing.

Do you think you'll ever envision yourself staying for games? So, the last year there was a game that last year your first show on game day, there was a Thursday night special, Backyard Brawl. I wasn't there. Which, if anybody knows anything about it, you did game day. No, I was not. You weren't at game day? No, I didn't start until Texas. Oh, that's what you guys did for that.

But we did. Yeah, you're right. Because Pac-Man was there. On the field. On the field. On the field. Had his crew around him, his camera crew around him, getting content. And he was cheering on the Mountaineers that night. I thought you were there and you bailed.

Because you leave after every game day. You never stay for the game. Yeah, that's because I'm going to nap. That's literally my only afternoon off in the football season. The entire week. Because Sunday, we're right back. Boom. Got to watch all the games.

Then Monday is right around the corner there. Then Tuesday. Then Wednesday. Then Thursday. Then Friday. Then Saturday game day. And then, all right. Week three.

Boom. Sunday. Monday. Tuesday. But I think not a part of this conversation is our combo with Omaha with the watch-along things. And I think those are going to be

live, I believe, this year. Kind of like how the playoffs were, if that makes sense. Okay. How many of those are you going to do? Are you going to do them every week? No, no, no, no, no. Herbie, slow down. Jesus Christ. Herbie, I mean, James Louise, dude.

We are not. But there will be a couple, I assume, that we'll be able to plan ahead for that we know game day is going to be at, and I would assume those ones will be the ones. Alright. What's your problem? What's your problem, dude? Dude, I just want you to watch a college football game from the sideline.

I watch them on TV. I mean, I get to watch them on my phone. It's right there. Ask Pac-Man. Ask Pac-Man the difference between standing on the sideline at a Bengals game and standing on the sideline at a college football game. It's a different energy. It is.

It's a different scene. It's a different vibe. A lot more lava at the college game. Man, I agree. It was crazy. We were there at the college football playoff. That's right. We were on the field. You should have seen us. We were on the field. But you're working. Huh? You're working. You're working

when you're doing that. I'm talking about... We were watching, too. Yeah. I was like, work. Watch it and talk to it. If you love what you do, you never work a day anymore. Bingo. Amen. You never work a day in your life, Irving. You know what I mean? Come on. Watch it and talk to it. If you love what you do, you never work a day anymore. Bingo. Never work a day in your life. Irving, you know what I mean? Come on. We do need to get bigger headphones or something for those kids.

Why? Very hard to hear each other. Yeah, we couldn't hear anything because of how loud it was. To your point, it is insanely loud. Well, and then they fixed it at the national championship. They just included all the noise that the fans were making as well. Yeah, which is good. Do you remember when we didn't have microphones to start the second half?

That's right, and they told us to be out there, and then they weren't out there. Yeah, well, they was one person, and that guy sucked literally from moment one. And this goes back to our relationship with ESPN. That's right. He wasn't there next week. Ever. No.

They've really – hey, I appreciate – Burke and Jimmy through this whole thing have been awesome kirk and i know you've known them a lot longer than me but they burke i feel like burke good i think he's a guy i think he's a guy you know what i mean no no doubt no doubt about it and he's in a position now where he's right there right you know he and jimmy are really going to drive the company now for the foreseeable future. And when you told me some of the things that were going on, you know, to try to get this deal done, it makes me really happy that they realized how important this was for the company and for you to get it done and stepped in and kind of dropped the hammer, hammered down.

There we go. Hey, I like that. Hammered down. Hammered down. did you see our video you know the first was like aj's gone suit and tie table turning digs we're not allowed to talk about gambling anymore the internet reaction has been absurd as an esps hey as an espn lifer honestly why yeah why is that i i was so i was was so mind blown. I'm like, damn, I didn't know people felt this way for real. That was like kind of rude what they were saying.

Well, I think I, I, I, yeah, I think, I think the, the brand of ESPN over the years,

you know, I think that for maybe the younger generation, yeah, I have four sons as you know, you know, Jake real well and, and Ty, uh,

four sons, 22 and younger. And they watch, they watch a lot of YouTube and they watch you, obviously, a ton. And they don't watch a lot of linear TV. And they're my sons. And so it kind of tells you about where that generation is. is and i think there's a perception uh fairly or unfairly that espn or maybe any network for that company for you and the way you build your brand doing it your way maybe there was a perception oh god pat finally sold out he got too big here he goes you know he's we it's too good

to be true we knew it i'm like who would especially your own fans like who would ever they were killing me herbie i was getting killed by i know but I'm like, especially your own fans, like who would ever? They were killing me, Herbie. I was getting killed by them. I know, but like you said, your own fans would think. It's like anybody who listens to you and your guys, you would never sign a contract where you're going to. I mean, listen to the upfront story. You're like, oh, there's a prompter?

What am I? You just walked out there and you were you. That was like your opening remarks to being a part of the ESPN brand. And that's not going to change. Nothing. Anybody who knows you knows you and your guys are never going to change. And that's not what ESPN would not hire you to say, okay, now come over here and get in this little box. See, but I think people think that about ESPN.

Absolutely. Which is the problem. People think that. And I don't know how that became the immediate thing i guess instead of blaming talent i guess they're just blaming the network as a whole as a whole which is interesting and we lose service i mean this guy of course are you in the back of a box truck bro hey he's back anyways but why all right oh he looks pretty good. See me? Yeah, you look good. This is the best. Oh, there we go. So, I'm about

to get into Tennessee. I'm leaving Kentucky and almost to Tennessee. I don't know what is going on. You can still hear me and see me? Yeah, well, you're the only 10 we see. Hello! If you can still hear me, I would say it's changed a lot from when you were in college and I was in college to the way it is now.

I think their weekly programming is very, very different from what it used to be. So maybe people assume you're just going to become like everybody else, and the point is, you're obviously going to be you, and all you guys are going to be yourselves. We're going to try. We got a lot of respect for a lot of people over there. We're not saying that the debates are going to be gone forever, and the other analysis is going to be gone forever, but it is nice to hear that the

people in leadership are like, hey, you know what, we're allowed to have a good time here. And if we want to, and we're honored to be a part of it, just like we're honored to be your friend, pal. Safe travels down to Tennessee. Tell those dogs to lay. You know what I mean? Like Caesar says. That's awesome.

Golly, look at that truck. That's a big truck. You've earned that truck. You don't just fall into that truck. No, no, no. Hey, one last thing. Tell Pac-Man, I think it's week two or week three, X and Withrow are going at it. They're loaded this year.

They've got a bunch of transfers. And I know Pretendry's son is there now. I mean, that'll be a great game. I'm sure you'll be there, won't you? Yeah, that's one of the ones we got to make. I think he got that one circled on the calendar right there. That's going to be a big game. He'm sure you'll be there, won't you? Yeah, that's one of the ones we got to make. I think he got that one circled on the calendar right there. That's going to be a big game. He's what?

Six what? Six, four and a half. Six, four and a half runs, four, four. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Wow. I don't know if they got a quarterback and keep up with him, but if they do. No, they got the Moeller.

I think Moeller's quarterback. Yeah, we got a quarterback. Yeah. The sophomore kid? No, he's a senior. He'll be a junior right now. He'll got a quarterback. Yeah. The sophomore kid? No, he's a senior. He'll be a junior right now. He'll be a senior. Hey, the dude that played quarterback the night that you went to the game

with X and Moeller, he left like that week, I think. They played a freshman the next week. No. And that guy that you saw left, he transferred, and he's at Withrow now. The guy that you saw that night. Well, they had him playing tight end, I think, that night. When he put the sophomore. I thought he was a sophomore quarterback.

Same as Chase. No, they had a freshman. He's good. Hey, that freshman. The LaSalle kid. The LaSalle kid is a really good, talented sophomore. The kid you saw, that first game you went to. Yeah. And they brought the sophomore in. And they moved that other kid to tight end. That was LaSalle kid is a really good, talented sophomore. The kid you saw, that first game you went to, when they brought the sophomore in,

they moved that other kid to tight end. That was LaSalle. You were yelling at the referee. You were yelling at the referee. Yeah, they're fucking over the kids. There's no replay either, so the authority is all in this ref that certainly has an agenda. It was right in front of me.

Clearly, clearly inbounds on that catch. What are we even talking about here? Not only are you taking away a great play that this kid will remember forever, but also stats for our guy's kid here. An extra 45 yards here. Expect the game. High school football is something. Especially in Ohio.

Especially with bad reps. Yeah, that's the whole thing. It'll be a good one. It'll be a good one. It'll be a good one. You guys have a great show. Love you guys. Glad you're part of the team. And look forward to this future with you guys being there.

Hell yeah. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk. Yeah! All right, Pac. A lot of talking about me and this program and the move. And obviously, I've been in the house with beautiful baby and beautiful wife for two weeks first time on about here was yesterday missed my baby i saw myself looking at pictures while we were flying and things like that that was interesting today same thing like

text updates here kind of figuring out the whole dad life there's a lot that we need to talk about though yeah like there's a lot that happened in the sports world that i can't wait to dive into i think we just covered us enough there. That cleared up all the questions that potentially could have arose. I think so. Everybody will listen to it. Oh, for sure. It will definitely sway a lot of opinions of people who are pissed. Yeah, sure.

That is something that certainly should always happen. It should answer all the questions. Yeah, it does, doesn't it? All the concerns, questions. People who were pissed yesterday, they're going to watch it and say, I don't even know why I was upset. What are we even talking about? Yeah.

People do change their mind quite a bit. They do. Especially in a day's time. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if they took a really firm public stance. Yeah, exactly. They're known to just really quickly.

Who knows, though? Maybe like yesterday it was sell out in all caps, and today it's just like sell out with a capital S. You're right. You know? I found out yesterday there's a lot of people on the internet who have never seen one Avengers or like Marvel movie ever.

So, I mean, I almost led with that at the Disney upfront. I've never seen any of these characters. Yeah, well, who was that?

I was walking down the hallway, all these characters that looked awesome. I don't know who any of them are. I said, oh, that's Darth Vader. It was another movie. Nick had to correct me.

That's that one. Nope. Completely different movie. Darth Vader would have got a big pop. It was embarrassing. It was tough. I didn't know any of the shit that was going on. What about the Hulk? You're an anomaly. I know the Hulk, obviously. Nice.

The only one I know. Iron Man? Oh yeah, I would have known if it was Cleo. Donnie? Donnie. Captain America? I know Captain America because of the gif. The gif, that whole thing. Shout out. So Bond is like their Captain America, England's?

No, because he's not a superhero. Bond is like their TC. He's like their E.T. Oh, okay. The second trailer came out today. Oh, boy. Yeah. Unbelievable.

It looks so good. So like Jaws music you remember. I'd say like Monday Night Football music you remember. Masters. Masters music you remember. That Mission Impossible. Like I haven't dove into the Impossible series there with Evan. Is that his name? Ethan Hunt.

There it is. Ethan. I haven't dove into that whole thing. But I do know the music. And as I was watching that trailer I'm like gotta be pretty cool that that's there as Tom's doing something fucking absurd oh yeah it's good shit all right let's get to a break on the other side we'll talk about everything happening in the sports world i can't wait to dive into it all i've missed a lot but a lot has been covered by you guys in an incredible fashion it's good to have you back yeah we missed you we certainly missed you no no you guys did an incredible job.

I understand why people watch the program, by the way. I was watching some other shows that were on TV throughout the day. Sure. Yeah. Really proud of you guys. Okay? Not just in the sports world. All over, actually.

You watch a lot of Red Table? That's canceled, I think. It did get canceled. Zuckerberg, after winning the jiu-jitsu tournament, he said also also Red Table Talk has been cancelled immediately I actually saw on an internet report I don't know if it's true or not that he's the one teaching

Tua how to fall that would be huge news alright he might be the one that creates the helmet I'm surprised Elon hasn't said you know what I'll create one of these quarterback helmets he's too busy

setting TC up in space for his next movie. Oh, is he a part of the... He's going to ride the rocket up and have it kind of like a horse range on the top of it. I tweeted Elon because he talked about the creator's split on Twitter and what it's going to be and everything like that. I said,

oh, that's dope, man. Also, I've been sitting on this for like a month yep next day yes he sees everything yeah he does he does i think he fucking lives on there oh yeah he plugs in at night and i was wondering i'm like does elon not like it because like uh top tweets we won't be really we'll be like four scrolls down in top tweets even if we have more action than everything else that's on there. Then the application thing for this thing he was like promoting was just like, we're reviewing it and everything.

I'm like, does Elon, does he? Because I feel like he does potentially take all the information. Is it because we've just called him an alien literally since the first time? Like, is he offended by us saying it? Shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. It's a compliment. It's a compliment, dude.

We experienced it last year, too, with the giveaways. They don't use this hashtag and put it up there. Yeah, they would bury us. It's like, Elon, what the fuck? Everybody's mad at Elon for buying it or whatever, and I'm like, wow, we've been through 400 ship groups of Twitter here. Love Twitter.

Twitter is always going to be. And then I start seeing little things. I'm like, what the fuck, Elon? What are you coming after us for? We love Twitter. There's no reason for that. We're fans. Now you can write blogs on there, too, which is sweet. That was cool, a little thing. This is the longest tweet I've ever seen. It's like, me too, bro.

Have you noticed that every tweet now it'll say Geotech from Earth? So his plan is he's going to tweet from Mars? It's the X app, bro. He's trying to create the X app. Which started out as a tweet from somebody saying, Elon needs to make everything happen. And he's on Twitter for Mars. The X app, bro. He's trying to create the X app, which started out as a tweet from somebody saying, Elon needs to make everything happen. He's like, not a bad idea. That's genius.

Yeah. Let me revisit this in like four years. I need to make some flamethrowers first. Some tunnels. Yep. Get this cyber truck out there. Then I'll get into the app game. So he's going to put Amazon, Twitter, YouTube.

What? Instagram, I assume. All into one app. Maybe Spotify throwing some music or something. I think it's DoorDash on there too. There we go. DoorDash, shout out.

I'm sure Uber Eats is good too. That ought to do the trick. Yeah, I'd say. That'll do. AJ better have done his fucking homework. He sent me a text this morning. He said,

what's that program called to you guys? I think you should leave. Joining us now, big time skater, college football national champion, Super Bowl champion,

Ryder Cup winner, Ohio State champion, and an absolute icon of a man who traveled out here numerous days to host so that my wife and I could enjoy our beautiful new baby girl, Mackenzie. I appreciate this man and his side of a mountain, crazy horse face. AJ Hawk.

Holy shit, that's the statue. Look at that. There it is. Should have just popped that up. In the flesh. Missed opportunity. We'll do it again. Yeah, it'll happen. That'll happen. Everybody have just popped that up. In the flesh. Missed opportunity. We'll do it again. Yeah, well, it'll happen.

That'll happen. Everybody act like I didn't say that right there, but let's remember that I said that. Let's do it tomorrow. AJ, thank you for traveling out here, bud. You're the best. It was fun. It was fun to be there in person with the boys and feel the energy.

So, yeah, it was good, man. I had a good time. It's good to have you back, though. That's for sure. No, no, no. You were a good program to watch. I told the boys this earlier when I was at home with know with the wife and we're just watching tv literally all day i look forward to listening to you guys chat every single day so i appreciate the fact that i get to

work alongside you now with that being said aj uh we started a video with this yeah you are leaving the program right i mean you are leaving yeah you saw me you saw my acting skills i'm out of here man acting how about the laugh track Foxy put in that thing? That was my favorite. Yeah. That was my favorite part. I laughed a good bit whenever it got sent in there.

You know, concept, idea, what is it? Let's do that. And then Foxy piecing it together. I did not expect a laugh track. First time I was watching it, I was like, ooh.

Great touch. Good touch here. And then we had to really hammer home the fact that that first minute and ten seconds was all bullshit, though. Maury Povich getting added in there, Foxy, genius. No, right when you told me to do that because I knew we needed a better transition and you immediately texted me, Maury, that was all a lie.

Yeah, we need that whole thing. It was a good time. And, AJ, we're lucky and thankful you're selling out. Yeah, right. Sell out. Sell out. Sell out. That is me. Everyone out. Sell out. Sell out. That is me.

Yep. Everyone sells out, don't they? Everybody. Not Jesus Christ. Well said. Amen. You're right. Thank you.

Boom. Thank you, Connor. Suck it. Jeez. Are we sure about that, though? He did get sold out. He didn't sell out. Yeah, by that son of a bitch, Judas.

Judas of Iscariot. There it is. That fucker. I don't think you can say that. One of the worst heels of all time. We will have to figure out a word. So, like, this is the thing now. Now it becomes a part of the show.

And I offered up the less fucks. Just out of, like, partners. You're doing business with people. Like, hey, let's do a little bit here. So I offered that. That was not something that they were like, the barking. The barking's got us down.

So I offered up that we can limit it. You know what I mean? I offered like, we could certainly bring down the fucks if we had to because you know, we are going to be, and we don't need people to not want our show because we say a word. Like we would like you to come enjoy life in sport and take a mental vacation with us. There's no reason for us to add in a reason that is not worth it to just offend people that could potentially be there that could join our community and hopefully change sports media for a long time like i'm hoping that that happens so we limited it but it is gonna be that one's gonna be tough

aj that one what about like uh i mean how do they feel about you know all the doubleheader talk and epstein and all of that yeah so like what how is that what's great that's what i'm saying it's gonna be great that's what i'm saying. What I don't understand. So you're telling me AJ's brain isn't immediately going to do that? And then what he's just going to say, whoa. Yeah. I don't think I'm. Yeah.

I have a hard time. I have a hard time holding things in as I get older. So I don't know. Yeah. I think I'll still be the same. Yeah. And, you know. Maybe his Tootsie Rolls probably is still different.

Yeah. Yeah. If he's still flashing that thing, we're going to have to talk about it. We don't want to. No. I did think. I did think still flashing that thing, we're going to have to talk about it. We don't want to? No. I did think last night to Nick while we were flying back, me explaining the first, what, four, five, ten times something like that starts happening again. We didn't create this, okay?

But there is rumblings on the internet. A lot of buzz. That are saying, we have to tell you that this is happening. People that are watching we have to tell you that this is happening. People that are watching might not know that this is happening. It is our duty to let you know. Like the NFL is scripted, Conville. We saw that what? Like actually

eight weeks ahead of when it came out. It was like, hey, there is people now in every single bucket of the internet that we follow and watch and know that are starting to say the same thing it's only a matter of time before this becomes uh it was like we're going to talk about that have to like what our show covers how we cover it will always have to be because that's what our fucking show is why would they spend the money they're spending to get a

show that isn't that i don't i'm so confused they want a good they yeah they want the show to be good right and if they want to like they know it'll be terrible if we try to change and become super corporate. Yeah. One of the suggestions for the teleprompter that I didn't know was such a big deal. Jeez Louise, that prompter's everything. AJ, I did not know that at the upfront. I had no idea. I saw some of that with Kirk, yeah.

I reread through the emails my responses to that guy. He was definitely trying to get a, hey, what are you going to say? What are you thinking here? Oh, yeah, it sounds good. Yeah, your examples are good ones. You know, a lot of. All right, perfect. He's going to read it.

Yeah. I set him up. Because he had to tell his boss, I assume. Yeah, we got it down. He's going to say this. He's going to do this. He's going to do that that and then he's out of here many 32 minutes i read through it four or five different times we don't think there's gonna be any pop breaks in here so no no wasted time there i mean no chance of that but that is exactly what we're talking about here you

know what i mean aj yeah yeah of course i mean i understand people don't watch the video but yeah your video that you made does explain a lot of it. But I do get, I understand not everybody is able to see that. They don't take the time. Let's look positive now. Let's look positive now. How about we're going to be on fucking ESPN, dude? Hell yeah.

Come on. I think it's a positive thing that people are pissed and they're worried the show is going to change. I'm like, thank you for enjoying the program. So yeah, we are here to ensure you that it will be the same, hopefully. How about when we just started this particular operation here, McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk and things of that nature? Yeah.

Was the name of the show. That's right. That was great. That was during COVID, and we're talking about no sports at all. And then here we are three years later. COVID has officially been not listed as a national emergency. If it was before. We beat it, everybody.

We did it. We lost a lot of great people. We did. It was a real son of a bitch. If it was before. We beat it, everybody. We did it. We lost a lot of great people. We did. It was a real son of a bitch. It was very sad. But we're officially out of the woods. Still got to worry about it forever. But also flu, other things that kill people.

Not saying it's the same, but that's what we were told. We all got jabs. Smarter than us. But now we're going to be on ESPN. Hashtag ESPN stinks. We tried it two years ago. Was that two years ago? Yeah, I think so.

Two years ago. Going into the 2021 football season. Yep. That was two years ago. It's like now we're getting an opportunity to partner with them. And I think it's crazy. It really is a crazy development, AJ. It's fucking bananas.

Yeah, I would say the whole last five or six years has been pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm say the whole last five or six years have been pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking they are. Did you watch? I saw the first two, I believe. Nice.

You get it. Of season one, yeah. I saw the, yeah. It's just such a bizarre show. Yeah. The more you think about what they're doing doing that's what makes it even funnier like boom this is a show yep and think about him explaining it to somebody who's like a camera person or like just somebody that has to operate and tell him what they're planning on doing

yeah but that's the part yeah yeah they're like wait this is supposed to be fun this is going to be funny yeah just just be quiet you just trust me yeah just do it yeah him trying to sell that how about netflix buying it like i respect netflix hearings so they're gonna move lunch okay he's gonna cancel lunch i'm gonna have a two-foot hotel in my sleeve i'm gonna continue to eat it during the lunch reading i'm so tired i want to know which is what the first two are that he saw because like is it the hat is the one in there? I think the haunted house is in there. No, this is season one I watched. I watched them when they're eating the turd receipts, the turd gift cards. Oh, yeah, and he dies in the car.

Yeah, that thing keeps getting more bizarre as the episode goes. So the hot dog episode, it ends with a full – I mean, I think it takes a turn quick. Oh, yeah. It is – The dude's a madman. He starts trying to kill a guy. I think that's next.

He's humble. What'd you say? Did you watch when I sent you a chance where they show up as dinner guests and they're late? No. It's great. Alright, anyways. Let's move on. Let's talk about sports. AJ, congrats to you. You sell out. Yeah. Congrats to you.

You sell out. You sell out. guys sold out Sell out Sell out Sell out Sell out Sell out Packman you fucking Saw a skater boy

Pack sell out Jones Don't even get me Started on Nick You fucking sell out He's the biggest Sell out Sell out

Nick he's skating Sell out Anyways We gotta think of a new word For the F word though Baby sell out We love brainstorm Anyways, we've got to think of a new word for the F word, though. Baby sellot. We love brainstorming ideas. You sellot and son of a...

See, I wonder when they were dropping it on the last dance, did ESPN get hell for that? Because I feel like universally that was lost. No, so that was actually a part of the... If you heard in the video, I said, shout out Michael Jordan in the last dance, that whole thing. It was at 9 o'clock, so I think that was a massive... We're in the middle of the day, though.

Yeah. So, you know, it is a little... Definitely different. We'll find a way. We'll figure it out, hopefully. Speaking of figuring it out, let's hope John Morant figures it out. Big time. I've been watching this at home, AJ, you know, following along with how it's all going and the internet.

And when I first saw the video, my immediate reaction was like, okay, why is his friend even potentially putting that on the internet need to eliminate that person from his circle that person trying to profit benefit off a job i immediately start thinking about that then you watch the video a little bit more and it's like i don't know if the guy thought the job was gonna pull out his gun yeah because as soon as he does he puts it down but did he do that on purpose as like i'm gonna steal a little a little and then I'm going to be out of here. That's how I think just because my immediate thought is like,

man, we got to get better people around Ja Morant. It was my take like when this happened in March. Got to get better people around Ja. Hey, Ja, you're not a standard 23-year-old, bro. You have a shoe. You're this. You're a human. You're a part of Americana. So everything you do is being watched and followed and with what happened in march

at least give us a year you know six months a year doing this two months later it's like this is a this is a tough tough thing and it's hard not to get a little negative like this motherfucker's never going to figure it out yeah but you can't he's 23 years old he's got so much promise so much talent the future of the nba needs him you just got to hope at some point he realizes that and he gets some new people around him because i do think that is a part of the problem and hopefully he'll be able to mature and be a different person but it's hard to stick up for him at all with how optically dumb this appears to be. Not alone in the fact that, okay, I have guns. Hey, let's not get crazy. Legal guns, have them.

I am not an anti-gun human. I understand that there should be some things that are much smarter done. And who gets guns? How they get gun? Do you need a hundred barrel? There's that whole conversation. I don't know how that gets figured out. Hopefully people much smarter than us do that. So I'm not like an anti-gun human being because there's places in the world where people actually feel

as if they have to have it alongside of them, because if they don't, the person's going to do it. There's people that are literally outdoorsmen and they hunt and kill their food that their family eats. Like that still happens. That is going to take place. Hunting is a hobby, even though people don't love it. It happens in parts of the world in America that we just, it happens like this is just what takes place. So that conversation is a crazy one, but John doing that and knowing what just happened two months ago, I think is so stupid. I just think it's so, so dumb. Obviously, people are saying dangerous because he's reckless with it and everything like that. But my biggest issue is how dumb it is.

And he needs not do it anymore. Pac-Man, I think the world is very excited to hear your thoughts on this. Because you were a guy, fucked up, right? Got into some shit. Found yourself in some situations, very serious. And I think the world is excited to hear your thoughts on it. Here we are two months later after a fuck-up that was very public, very big deal, suspended eight games,

cost him $39 million on a max contract because he didn't win NBA, All-NBA and everything like that. So what are your thoughts on it? And do you think he ever changes back? First and foremost, you know, I've been down this road. If I could just have a one-on-one conversation with him, this road i'm just if i could just have a one-on-one conversation with him the first thing i would tell him is get a get rid of everybody that's riding in your car in your rose rose it looked like it was in a rose rose truck to me i'm quite sure the guy that was video uh couldn't

afford the car um but what you did is it's not a crime so i'm not shooting at at you. I'm just talking to you as a big brother. That's not a crime to have a gun. You have a right to have a gun. But a wise man told me, he said, hey, man, if you ever want to be successful, his name is Jerry Jones. He said, if you ever want to play this game again, you got to stop doing shit with your ass out in the street and at the time i didn't understand it it took me a year to understand i got everything took away from me and then i

understood what jerry was saying and thank god that i had someone like jerry that was willing to dig me out of that hole and give me another shot which which today, you know, everything is unbelievable. But what I'm saying is if he don't figure out how to stop doing shit with his ass out in the street and stop listening to fucking NBA young boy and think NBA young boy is the real fucking world. He bought the fuck up everything. And it's not going to be funny in a couple of months. not going to be funny in a couple months or if we go through this one more time because the way Adam Silver was talking the other day, he was hurt, first of all. And second of all, these people

are not going to fuck up these million dollar franchises that's got all of these sponsors. I mean, billion dollar franchises that got all of these sponsors and these kids are looking up to you. At a certain point in time, bro, you got to figure out what you want to do. If you're scared for your safety, go get you a fucking security guard yeah which has happened a lot of places yeah a lot of

people have gotten security guards because they felt threatened and potentially uh like people want to do very very ill things to people this has happened i believe numerous times in the history of professional sports people feel like they you know either for a situation to happen with a woman or any other situations that arise, people are fearing for the fact that they're a public figure. People know where you're at. And when you're at a place, it's being announced to people and you have a lot to lose. This happens. So people hire security. And then it's security doing the flexing and the talking as opposed to you but to your point about the nba young boy uh stuff nothing but nba young boy go make all the money you can you got no

problem with that at all but whenever you start thinking about people saying well the music is the reason why it's like you got people fighting i said no it's their art they're just telling a story and everything like that well there's some people people that just buy in to what the story is that they're told, and they envy that story, and they want people to think that they are that story. And I think it's been happening since the beginning of time when you talk about movies, video games, music for sure. I listen to trap rap music.

I listen to drug-dealing music. I listen to, and I view it as motivation so i'm like all right these people we're going we're going we're going there's some people that take it as like a script on how they're supposed to be yeah and it's like i think a lot of us are confused like john you don't have to be like that bro like everybody has respect for who the fuck you are as a basketball player as a human i feel like he thinks that he has to be this person and people will respect him it's's like, yo, complete opposite.

We're actually thinking you're a fucking idiot right now. So let's go ahead and change that. You know what I mean? AJ. Yeah. And it's interesting what pack said, like with, with Jerry to kind of snap him out of it,

it took everything getting taken away for him to understand like what, like how, how, what it all truly meant to him. And I, with what Adam, how Adam silver spoke in that interview, I'd be worried if I was John like it

sounds like it's going to be a big suspension it feels like it you know whenever I'm not mad I'm disappointed run this clip here from Adam Silver talking to Malika at the NBA draft shout out to the Spurs shout out to the Pistons dropping to five after tanking

we gotta fix this here's Adam silver before the draft talking about the john moran situation he's not mad no no no just disappointed we we talked directly about the consequences first before we got to a subsequent um potential to have done something wrong we were very focused on the misconduct that was in front of us at the time. And frankly, most of our conversation was about how incredibly serious the first incident was of waving a firearm on social media. And again, the consequences there, an eight game suspension was pretty serious and something that he, at least to me, seemed to take incredibly seriously in that time. And we spoke for a long time about not just the consequences that could have on his career, but the safety issues around it. Could have injured, maimed, killed killed himself someone else with an act like that and

also the acknowledgement that as you said he's a star i mean he has an incredibly huge following and that my concern and i thought he shared with me that millions if not tens of millions of kids globally would see him as having done something that was celebrating in a way you know that that act of of of sort of of so of using a firearm in that fashion and so i at least was left um with the sense that he was taking this incredibly seriously. So, honestly, I was shocked when I saw this weekend that video. Now, we're in the process of investigating it, and we'll figure out exactly what happened to the best we can then. Again, the video's a bit grainy and all that, but I'm assuming the worst.

But we'll figure out you know exactly what happened there i think any gun advocate even the people that are like oh it was legal what he did would say like reckless gun ownership is not good either so whenever you're just bopping around a gun like i don't think any gun pro gun person is going to say yeah that that's what we're fighting for like those are the gun rights gun rights. And I had a teammate, Zerlon Tipton. He was a running back and a special teamer. And everybody fucking loves Zerlon. He was the man.

I fucking loved him. I got along with him very, very well. He's from Michigan. After he was done and he retired, he went back home. And he had a gun. He started having a gun more. I was watching him on his Instagram story and stuff. Still upbeat, still awesome, still amazing.

And he put his gun in his bag at one place, reached in, shot himself. Reached into the bag because it was in there to grab something. Thumb gets on trigger, shoots himself, kills him. Dead. Damn. Dead. And it's like, I think we all incredibly bummed that Tipton passed. Like, we fucking loved him. Got a chance to go up to his funeral with some of the teammates and meet his family and his friends. In literally every era of this guy's existence, everybody was telling the same stories about how he lit up a room and was this this but i think after he made it to the nfl he felt as if people wanted to come get him so he thought he was became like a marked person so he felt like he had to have a gun on him and the gun was being taken care of for or not being taken care of for in a respectful fashion

just laying in his bag he ended up dead so whenever you hear adam silver say like who knows what could have happened with that i don't think adam silver was saying like jaw was going to go kill somebody i don't think he was saying that Ja was going to go do something else. If you're flailing a gun around on camera, who knows what's happening off camera. And then also you're kind of making young people that look up to you think like,

hey, this is what you're supposed to do and this is how it's supposed to go. All around bad scene and so fucking dumb. I just can't reiterate it enough in the whole thing and he like he lost 39 million from the non-all nba team not making it now from what adam silver's talking about and steven ace kind of suggested that people in the league want to be suspended an entire year if it you know that might be a little much but if adam silver suspends him for half a year

like then he's missing out not on like a escalator of 40, then he's missing out, not on, like, an escalator of $40 million. Then he's actually losing, like, $25 million just from games. But not even the money part. When I'm saying taking everything away from you, the worst feeling is when you're at the top of the game, when you are playing the best ball that you're playing. Like, for instance, when I got suspended, I was the best fucking player to me in the league.

I was the best fucking player to me in the league. Like, not being able to play a whole year is fucking miserable when you know you are the best. Isolated? Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm saying, like, when you know you're the best at that point, like, me personally, I thought I was the best punt returner in the corner, at least 06, 07, going into the 08.

Yeah, you were an asshole punt returner. And I had, getting everything taken away, like, all right, you ain't going to play at all. Well, and also, there's another thing. Whenever you're not at the top anymore, who's still around you? All those people that are with you. You learn so much whenever you lose a lot. So maybe that's what needs to happen, you know?

Yeah, it could help them. For the good of all of us, though, I hope Ja ends up just recognizing who he is, what he is, and how quickly it can all change. And to Pac-Man's point, like, get a security, dude. Just get a security. If you're scared for your life, get a security. You can pay for it. And you can shoot.

Hey, you can still have a gun. You can go shoot. You can do whatever you want to do. Just need you not making people think, like, oh, this is how you're supposed to live your life. Like, you're supposed to do that in cars driving around. Like,'re not so that's a you know it's a whole thing it's a give and take and hopefully the lessons learned well and it's like the same deal you know like the fact that it is within two months of the previous one like adam silver like he's not

acting up there like that's not bullshit like he genuinely feels duped and like hurt by the fact like i sat down with this guy he knows he's one of the faces of the NBA, and he just fucking lied straight to my face, was contrite, acted like he was sorry. He's not sorry. So now, yeah, maybe something like that does have to happen. Pac, I hope you get a chance to talk to him someday. Yeah.

Sure you will. I reached out to him. I reached out to him when I was in Memphis. Deebo did too, so we'll see if we get around to him. So he comes from, this is a massive part of the conversation. For sure. Because everybody's like, why is he? You know, like you, I don't want to.

I come from a way different environment. Yeah, and I don't want to make it seem like something that is, but it's a massive part of you. You come from zone? One. In Atlanta? Yeah. Which, you know, there's been a lot of movies and docs made about the west side of Atlanta and what was happening back then.

I think we've all heard songs and everything about the part that you come from. So, like, you growing up in a world where it was very standard. Like, hey, everybody's got a strap. The reason why you got a strap, you don't know who's coming for you at any moment, at any time. Because the businesses that we're running to survive, that's just part of the rules, pretty much, in life. Yeah, and my dad got killed right in front of me, so my life was a whole lot different. Guns, massive piece of it. Yeah. So for him just to, like, jump into it almost, seemingly after he gets successful,

makes us all say again, like, yo, stop being so fucking dumb. Yeah, what are we doing? What are we doing? It's tough, AJ. It ain't tough. I don't want to be hood. Hey, bro, stop being so fucking dumb. What are we doing? What are we doing? It's tough, AJ. It is really tough. It ain't tough. I don't want to be hood. Hey, bro, I'm square. I don't want to be square. It's got to be tough for him to try to distance himself

from his guys and his people that have been around him forever, though. That's what I'm saying. They're like, pack it. I don't think those guys grew up like what they're portraying they are right saying though I don't think those guys grew up Like what they're portraying They are right now I don't understand

Are we just joking? They might just be prankster shit But it's not funny It's not funny strictly because you're losing 100 million dollars And everybody's kind of dragging your name too And you just said When I was in the projects First thing you get is a skateboard

Do people in the projects also not appreciate up in the projects, first thing you get is a skateboard. Like, do people in the projects also not appreciate this? Like, why the fuck are you acting, you know, some way when you didn't grow up in the lifestyle that you were. You're saying stolen valor? Stolen valor. It's basically, you know, me having a mustache firefighter weekend, stolen firefighter valor. Like, is this stolen project valor? So I think Joe's trying to gain the respect of those people. Is this stolen project valor? I think John's trying to gain the respect of those people.

He's not. I don't think he's trying to appeal to them. Yeah, I think he's like, I think he's trying to gain the respect. Personally, I think that is what he's trying to do. That's the point of what he's doing. That's what I do with the cowboy hat. Yeah, Bingham. You wonder about his parents. And Kevin Costner said,

that guy looks so good in a cowboy hat, I'm not doing the show anymore and I'm not married anymore. How good parents. And Kevin Costner said, that guy looks so good in a cowboy hat, I'm not doing the show anymore, and I'm not married anymore. Exactly. Because of how good you look. One of those things caused the other, I think. Yeah, all in one weekend. But I wonder about his parents. I know his dad is kind of always out there and kind of in the limelight a little bit, but you have to assume that they're like, hey, the way we raised you is so you didn't have to do this kind of shit.

You know what I mean? raised you is so like you didn't have to do this kind of shit you know what i mean like we didn't bust our asses to to like you know have you grow up in like a nice area and in a nice house and like a safe environment for you to just when you get money when you get super famous to resort back to doing this type of shit and putting an x on your back name's clance and really nice he's not doing that but being a fucking what's the the word? Rebellion. Rebellion is what he's doing. Like, for our, we don't know what he is. Right. We don't know if he a thug or not, because we haven't did shit to say that he's a thug.

He haven't gotten no fights. I haven't heard him getting in the end. Well, the one incident we heard about, this is okay, we heard about that. But all this shit we see is just dumb. Like, to be playing with a gun in a car, and they just gave you fucking $200 million, and this the second time? Come on, bro. Like, you're joking around.

Like, it almost seemed like- He's living his gimmick. It almost seemed like you said, all right, fuck y'all. Y'all ain't going to do nothing to me anyway. Like, come on, bro. What are you getting out of doing it? Yeah. It's just, we're all seeing you fuck up, and and we're all just hey, let's get better, huh?

Love watching you play too. Come on, John. League's better with you. The world sports is better with you. Yes. So let's just not be dumb, okay? Let's not do dumb things. You're obviously not dumb. Definitely not. John, you're obviously not dumb. I'll get you a flip phone. Yeah. Hell yeah. Keep that

Rolls Royce truck though. That's a nice. Great car. That's a really, really. Blue interior looks sweet. sweet really really nice car uh let's talk about some more stuff happening around the nfl joe burrow who has a sweet oh yeah kind of bowl cut old school this is my this one my hair used to be with because he has the same calyx i I believe, where he could split that hair right in the middle. It's got good bounce with the headband. Joe Burrow has become a sex symbol basically this offseason. Jawline impeccable, seemingly training harder and more efficiently. I mean, this is – Bengals put this out. They knew what they were doing.

This is a little thirst trap out of the Bengals' social media. They hit a home run. He threw a ball to Jamar Chase in the video. It social media. They hit a home run. He threw a ball to Jamar Chase in the video. It was on a line, a fucking rocket. Joey Burrow wants to win a Super Bowl. Joey Burrow is the face of Cincinnati for a long time, which is why we were so confused

that Amazon and the NFL seemingly said, we don't want Cincinnati to be the home of the Black Friday football games. Thought that that would be a great home, especially with how Cincinnati kind of welcomes in those massive things and make them feel bigger with what this team's going to be. I mean, that's a dart, bro.

That's a 35-yard fucking dart. Unless they sped it up. Seed. Which I don't think they did. I mean, that is, they're going to be great. That guy's great. Joe's great. They're going to be incredible.

He's in the middle of his contract negotiations right now though he said he is in on the conversations and he also understands that other people need contracts this is the future of contract negotiating with players i think we're in a generation where there's a lot more entrepreneurs there's a lot more understanding of business there's a lot more understanding of the value of brand because socials and i think joe doesn't mind being informed on the convos that are going. And he might see some more team-friendly deals from these big-name players so that their friends and other talented players can get paid. I like what Joey Burrow is doing,

and I appreciate that this is probably what it looks like going forward, AJ. Yeah, I mean, first off, he looks pretty jacked. I don't know, did they ask him to put on some muscle? It looks like he put on some muscle this offseason, obviously. Looking good. Coming out in the cutoff, too, with the headband. Joe knows what he's doing. He knew it would take the internet by storm.

Imagine if it was raining. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. The whole thing. But players have more power now, and that's the thing we're seeing. We know NBA players have had power for a while. Now it seems like NFL guys, and mainly the quarterbacks, if you're a franchise quarterback, you have some power.

And he knows, like, hey, I can – yes, I deserve to get an absolute monster contract, but he knows at the same time I'm going to leave – I'm going to structure it in a way that I can – we can sign all my boys and we can hopefully keep this thing rolling for 15 years. I love it. I loved hearing it. I loved reading it. Him just going, all right, just give me $150 million.

Sweet. You're going to give me that? All right, cool. That'll be good. However you need to structure it. Let's get these guys done. And then when I'm done, also a percentage of the team. So let's just – this is a very easy thing.

You're dialed in, obviously, in Cincinnati. I'm dialed in. Duke wants to get this deal done quicker, you think? How do you – what do you think of that? Yeah, I think Duke will want to get the deal done. I don't think it's got to be quick, but I think it'll get done before the season starts or by the end of the season. I know they want to keep T. Higgins and all the other boys together. But, man, Joe's a dog.

You know, you can tell he's been working out really hard this offseason. This is the first offseason I think that he's had a full offseason. Last year he was going through some stuff, injuries, and then he had to have the surgery. Appendix, right? Appendix. He's on that golf bar. Yeah. season last year he was going through some stuff injuries and then he had to have the surgery so this is first full off season so he looked good though man i don't think mr brown is gonna give him a flat check he know what he want to keep they know they want to keep everybody together um but it'll be joe say so at the end of the day and mr brown gonna get whatever joe wants so i think it's a team effort over there, and I think that will work pretty well. Yeah, I mean, I think he's still going to get more than Lamar and more than Jalen because it's all about structure now.

I think everyone's figured it out that, I mean, you can give a player as much as they fucking want as long as you give them structure. No. I think so. Really? I think so. Tip of the spear, bro. Pretty crazy.

Tip of the spear. Tip of the spear. And teams are listening. Like, for Lamar, obviously the contract got done, but they went to go get OBJ. And now Burrow, they're going to get that contract done, and they're going to be able to sign T. Higgins and Jamar Chase

back-to-back. And Teddy Karras. And Teddy Karras. And get in a line. Yeah, Orlando Brown. Get a line for him. It's cool that now teams are like, hey, we don't have to just treat these guys like football players. Funny enough, they know the football players that should be on the field with them at the same time. And now if we just kind of – They're smart.

They can do things. They're funny and charming. And the fact that that is happening now, I think it's just great for the league in general. Good for Cincy. Think about that AFC North. Now let's assume Kenny Pickett's going to become – let's assume Kenny Pickett's going to become a guy. Last year he was operating on an offense that had no hot reads. So, it's going to be tough to judge him on that NFL football

because he was playing actual high school football last year. That was by plan, by design. We're going to ease him into this, and then we're going to add more and more. Let's assume Kenny Pickett becomes a guy. You got Lamar, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson, which we'll see. TBT got better at the end of last year. Yeah We'll see. If he's good, he's good. Got better at the end of last year. Yeah, he did.

Played the last game. We don't even mention the Browns. No one even talks about the Browns right now. I haven't talked about them at all. Good roster. And they also have dogs. They could be pretty good. Yeah, they could be. And then Joey Burrow.

I mean, that is a stacked division with quarterbacks in a division that runs the ball a lot because of the way weather is as well. The AFC North is the kitchen. It is hot in the kitchen right now. Properly stocked. Properly stocked in that division. The lowest number of over and under there is eight and a half. That's Steelers. I don't know if it's the only division where the lowest team is

basically a winning record. I could be wrong. New England. But yeah, the AFC North is properly stacked. And everything out of Pittsburgh says that Kenny works too fucking hard not to be good, which is very, very encouraging. How do you feel about him wearing those gloves? Pac. Pac, man, how do you feel about those gloves?

He's asking you. Don't look at me. How do you feel about Kenny Pickett wearing football gloves? That look is kind of telling us all we need to know. Are you? Oh. Oh. Coming from a mile away. Are we allowed to fart on mics when we go to the ESPN?

No. No way. Oh, yeah. Or lost me actually. He stays. I thought he got fined for that. It has to be real. It can't be a fake one.

Did he really? That's crazy. Put his microphone in his asshole. I don't mind the gloves, by the way. Neither do I. Me neither. I wish he would wear like one sleeve, though, down to it. That would be sick.

You know what I mean? Like it was a fucking bionic arm? Yeah. Yeah. Warner wore two gloves. He was a Hall of Famer. He was, yeah.

I agree. I'm with it. If he can spin the fucking ball, spin the ball. Hey, Bridgewater. Teddy Two Gloves was almost an MVP guy, and then he had that

devastating injury. Seven did it for a while. Seven had gloves on. You can sling it with those gloves, man. With those tacky gloves, you feel like you can throw the ball a mile I feel like

Yeah Especially with how fat a fucking NFL football is Yeah I don't think people notice that Or know that No The actual Duke It's a big ball

It's a big ball It is Huge A lot of girth A lot of girth More the better You know for kicking a ball Always

That's like there's Yeah always Yeah soup can But the whole You want it rounder than longer Yeah Well I don't know if that's Yeah For me kicking a ball. Always. That's like there's – yeah, always. Yeah, soup can. But the whole – You want it rounder than longer. Yeah. Well, I don't know if that's – yeah. For me, kicking a football, yes.

Either way. Yeah, sides or bottom. Yeah, whatever the case is. But the whole – I don't think people realize how large those footballs are. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So if a glove can give you a little bit more, you're going to take that.

Yeah. You should take that. Especially if you kind of have – I mean, like they talked about how his hands were like a little bit smaller, you're going to take that. Yeah. You should take that. Especially if you kind of have – I mean, like, they talked about how his hands were, like, a little bit smaller than normal guys. Like, so if he is in the elements thinking, like, oh, I don't know, but if I put this fucking nice glove on, I don't got to worry about it. What was allegedly said to him at that one pro day?

Hey. Let me see your fucking hands, boy. Hold this ball. Hold this ball. Let me see what it looks like in your hand. Fingers wrapped around that thing looks like. So this is a K-ball here, so it's obviously going to be a little bit fat. That's what he said, allegedly.

Hold that ball. What coach? Do we know what coach? Carolina Panthers. Ben McAdoo. This is all alleged, alleged, alleged. But we were, allegedly, it was reported that Carolina Panthers' Ben McAdoo said, put that ball in your fucking hand.

It was GM, wasn't it? Was it GM? It was all of them. It was all of those. They were all together. Bitter, Rule, McAdoo. I mean, I spin this thing, okay? Oh, yeah.

I do. One for two in my NFL career. Highest passer rating in Thanksgiving football history. So, biggest turkey bowl. Pretty good. You told me. And you had to throw a cable. Let's go.

Okay, boom. One of these beat-up slick balls I had to throw. And, you know, Eric Swope ran a great route, and we drew that play up literally on a napkin day of. So, backyard football, turkey bowl, highest passer rating. I know a thing or two about it. If I was quarterback, I'm putting a glove on immediately for this thing, trying to spin it.

But, like, you think about some of these quarterbacks, also fucking huge. So big. Eli is a fucking giant. He's always standing next to Peyton, also fucking giant. But Eli is huge. And then you shake their hands.

That's why a football looks the way it does. Terry Bradshaw used to go one up here, and like one up here. It's like that fucking – those mitts got to be so large for that. So if you don't have it, why not put the glove on? We need to soup that thing up though. Well, and the tough thing with Kenny in Pittsburgh, it's kind of the same as Mac in New England.

There are three divisions where you can make the argument that all four quarterbacks are unbelievable. AFC South, AFC North. You can actually scratch the South. You can go just in the AFC, not even including the NFC. The AFC West, the AFC North, and the AFC East have, there's 12

teams there, and you can make the argument for all 12 of those, except maybe New England, that they would make the playoff. Yeah, and the only thing said, other team in the AFC East that you would make the playoffs. Yeah, and the only thing said other team in the AFC is that you would potentially raise a question about, and Tua's going to be healthy. He's doing jujitsu. Exactly.

And even when Tua wasn't healthy, Skyler Thompson almost beat the Bills in Buffalo. They got Mike White now. Yeah, look at McAdoo, hair loose. A little looser than when he was here. It looks like he can fucking hold that ball, boy. Okay, boy. Really nice around there.

I mean, if we. Kenny's hands look big in that picture. Yeah, you're damn right. Yep. I mean, who knows if that's how he throws the ball. I want to say recently I heard him do an interview, and he slept with like a hand stretching thing on every single night. I seen that guy.

Did you? I'm going to turn that for a second. Boom. I seen that guy who stretched his shins. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The shin surgery. That looked awful. Soap. I didn't watch the video. Theyins. Oh, yeah? Uh-oh. Yeah, the shin surgery. That looked awful.

Soap, I didn't watch the video. They said he grew six inches that fucking time. Yep. Why? 5'8 to 6'3. Look at those fucking eyes, dude. Yep. Ooh.

You see those fucking hands, boy? Is this guy straight down here, or is he looking at his heart? What's in your heart? I think he might be looking at his dong. He's like, yeah, he got him. I think he might fit fitter. Hold on. Yeah, fitter is saying, okay, I see my hands.

Yeah, this is cut off. They all have their penises out. Yeah, let me see. All right, boy. Put your dong in your hands. That one's the outlaw. That's for kidding. Oh, that'd be awkward.

Yeah. Macadoo is like, I don't really know what I'm doing here, but yeah. Are we really? Is this the? Yeah, what are you doing? We did this at Baylor, too. Social media person couldn't wait to get this news out. Piping it right here. You should see what McAdoo just did.

He just said, let me see your fucking hands, boy. Hold this ball. What is a big-sized hand? What's like? 10 and a half. That's an Aaron. I mean, Aaron fucking. 10. and a half. That's an Aaron. I mean, Aaron fucking. Yeah, massive paws.

That's why like the green bay thing. Does anyone have like 11 and a half or 12 inch hands? Like what are the biggest? In the world or in the NFL? NFL quarterbacks I'm asking about. You're talking about Taco Bell spokesman Pete Davidson? Yeah. Is that what you're referring to here?

The large? I'm not, but I mean. Can he throw a football in the snow? We assume. We assume Pete Davidson can grip a football in Lambeau. Is that what you're trying to get at? I was asking a real question. Quarterbacks as far as hand size.

Do we know who had the biggest? Did Neil O'Donnell have giant hands? The largest hand measurement in the combine history is 11.75, and that's by DeForest Buckner. Hell yeah. He's on the Colts, by the way. He's by deforest buckner hell yeah he's on the quotes by the way he's got a dong i don't know when this is from but apparently the quarterback with the biggest hands dak what do you mean oh drunken miller drunken miller 11 and uh 11 and a quarter there ain't you there you go dak's got 10 8 8 he did well in san francis okay so it's not a

quarter then 11 2 5 is not a quarter. That is. 2-5. Is it a good thing or a bad thing to have big hands as a quarterback? Good thing. Actually, Michael Lombardi talked about this. When you're playing in elements, so like the rain, he referenced this specific game in FinFam. Do not get mad at me, but when it was raining in Tennessee,

Tua actually multiple times, because he has smaller hands, had trouble holding onto the ball, and that's where hand size comes into play in all the elements. All these guys up here shit, though. Oh, yeah, exactly. That's why it doesn't matter. Hey, that's Super Bowl MVP. That's right.

10-6-3. There's the standard. How about it? Super Bowl MVP with a statue. I don't know how much better it can get back. Jeez, Luis. Drunken Miller didn't do it for you, pal? He had a hell of a career. He was a beast in Sam Fran. Chris Sims there next. Dog.

Absolute dog. He said some stuff about our show a couple years back. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Zoloc. Yeah, you remember that? Sanchez? Sanchez.

He was great. He got drafted. There he is. He's a fucking house. He is. Ryan Leaf is an absolute house. Huge. If Kenny Pickett, you know, hand size,

he's nowhere near all these absolute NFL icons. No. Rest in peace, dog. Brett Hundley came in. David Gerrard. Gerrard had... Oh! That works in Lambeau.

In the history of the combine, that's good news. Yeah. I assume that was a part of their assessment. We're going to need massive hands to handle the elements here at Lambeau. It's going to be real cold. A lot of people talk about, you know, Aaron, the reason why he's better at the cold and in the winter is because his mitts are so fucking large.

It does not matter. I'm excited to see Jordan go to work. I am. I've gotten to the point where I'm pumped to watch him. I'm very excited. I want them to be hard knocks. They can't. Oh, yeah, because the fucking playoffs.

Probably going to be the Jets. Yeah, it's going to be the Jets, right? Isn't that what everybody's talking about? It would also be sweet. I can't remember who the other three were, but I know Jets were on the list. Yeah, Jets are on there. I believe the Commanders were on there.

Bears were on there. How about Fireman Ed? Is he? Fireman Ed. That fucking sellout. Oh, he's back? Hey, Fireman Ed, dumbass, decided to congratulate the Hurricanes on beating the Devils. What a fucking bargain.

He was taking advantage. Anyone reading that script with a new, ah, something's getting pulled over my head. But fucking dumb ass fireman that doesn't know what to do. Oh, he's a fireman. He's thanking for his service. If he stayed with the Jets the entire time, I would honor fireman that. But guess

what? He decided to hang up his fucking dumb ass helmet years ago. Dumb ass helmet saving the world? Oh, yeah. He doesn't use it to fight fires, boys. He uses it to be, oh, look at me. I used to be a fireman. That's stolen valor, actually.

No, he was a fireman. He was a fireman, but now he's dressing it up in all the stupid Jets colors. No. And it doesn't even look like the firehouse. Oh, this is him being a patriot. No, it's not.

Okay, that's what this is. Hey, Mike Sorrentino was on that video. I didn't watch your fucking mind. What'd you say, AJ? When did he leave? being a Patriot. No, it's not. No, it's not. Hey, Mike Sorrentino is on that video. Watch your fucking mind. What'd you say, AJ? When did he leave? When did Fireman Ed bail on the team? After the butt fumble. He went from butt fumble to nothing. And now Rodgers comes to town and all of a sudden he's the guy.

Oh. J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets. He does the hat thing. On November 22nd, 2012. Let me tell you a little story. There we go. I don't like this.

Tell us, Tony. During his Thanksgiving night, Jets blow out 49-19 loss to the New England Patriots. Buff fumble was on the worst plays on ESPN for over two years. Ed left the game at halftime and deleted his Twitter account. He retired as a self-proclaimed mascot of the New York Jets. Oh, what's up you fucking Marks? Now you're back. Stating he will attend games, but not in character.

What about Jordan wearing 45, pal? The guy hung up the hat for a bit and said, you know what? I missed this. There's nobody that does what I do. If Fireman had 12-inch hands and had a fucking 10-foot dong, and he was the quarterback for the Jets, and he won three championships and then decided to become Fireman Ed, hey, I won't say anything.

This guy's got three bowls. And that's what Jordan did. And guess what? When Jordan did come back, he also won three more championships. Fireman Ed is a fucking sellout. He isn't a real fan. What? He's a fireman.

Yeah. No. This guy ran towards danger. That's right. And for that, up until 2012, I had the utmost respect. When he was just fireman, I had a lot of respect for him. You add Ed on the back end of it, I'm done with it. It's different. I've stolen valor. Wasn't he an just fireman, I had a lot of respect for him. You add Ed on the back end of it, I'm done with it. It's different.

I had stolen Valor. Wasn't he an actual fireman? He has to have been an actual fireman. He was a real fireman, but that's what I'm saying. I had respect for fireman Ed up until the point where he retired. Honestly, I had more respect for fireman Ed because he was still fireman Ed while they sucked. And I think that is the hardest thing to do. I was going to say that. Connor, I'm with you.

You can't fucking bail on your team no matter how bad they are. Foxy became a Steelers fan. Foxy became a Steelers fan. Always a Lions fan, though. That was my playoff team. What are we talking about? You're friends with Foxy. You think Foxy's great? Fireman Ed retires at halftime?

Foxy's not in the front row at Lions games leading the Lions roar. I mean, kind of. You heard him say, we need Eminem. Good point. Yeah, he's got suggestions, but he's not the guy, hey, show me on Monday Night Football, get in the crowd going. He didn't ask for that. Oh, really?

Then why do you have a Twitter account promoting himself? Oh, sorry. Welcome to 2023. I agree, Connor. I agree, Connor. I agree with you. If you're going to be the face of a fan base, don't be a fucking quitter. And that's the only thing that you have to do. You have to be there while it sucks so that when you do get there. He was.

He was there the whole time. He stopped. You don't understand. He had to go fight fires. He had Chad Pennington. Boom. How about that? And that's the one person you should ask.

Well, Kevin James. Yeah, go get me Sean Payton. And I want Sean Payton to answer this question. Thank you, Kevin James. I love it. King of Queens. He's the number one Jets fan. Sorry, Gary.

Hitch, he was awesome. So good. He was awesome. I mean, how about him starting the race at, what was it, Daytona? Yeah. Or Talladega. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's awesome.

Unbelievable. What about Zack and Larry make a point? No, that's... What did he say about that? What did he say? That's... Chuck and Larry. I'm pretty sure...

Chuck and Larry. That's Sandman in the movie. Obviously. Sandman's in it. That's a great movie. Banger. Kevin James said, listen, he should. Yeah.

And Fireman Ed was staying at home, thinking about fighting more fires. And all of a sudden, Kevin James gives a public announcement that they need you back. He was called back into the stadium. Oh. It wasn't him saying. Kevin James said, get his ass back in MetLife Stadium. Oh, okay. But based on this, Kevin Garnett was on the Brooklyn Nets

and they had the sidebar. So this is probably 2014 and Fireman Ed said, I'm sorry, Kevin, I can't do it anymore. I just can't. And he didn't come back until, oh, until they got who? Aaron Rodgers. No, he's been back. He's been a game.

Last couple years. I haven't seen his, I haven't seen his dumb ass. That's because that Jets haven't been on primetime. When Strebler went out there? Yeah. He wasn't there. Yes, he was. No, he wasn't. Yeah, he was. Well, if he was, he wasn't cheering loud because that was the quietest that place has been

since probably... Until Strebler got on the field, he rose. He did. We are back. Took his cap off. Nope. Nope. You guys are back. Took his cap off. Nope. Nope. You guys are just... You couldn't be more wrong. We need more fireman heads, not less of them. That's right.

Let's take a break. On the other side, we got the fireman head of baseball. Yeah, well, if you want to be a fireman head, stick with it. Don't be a sellout and just come back when times are good. Times have never been good. Times are very good. They went back to back AFC title games with Sanchez.

He had two of those in a row. You had Rex Ryan. You had Chad freaking Pennington. He was there for that. Yes. Those were great times.

And then they had a tough run. Not to mention the Ryan Fitzmagic Brandon Marshall Eric Decker era was awesome. Fireman Ed was trying

to swing. That's when people say if this happens I'm moving out of the country. And everybody's like, hey, sweet. See ya. But Fireman Ed was like, I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not letting this organization think the way they're operating is how the fans want it.

He was trying to make the team better. Yeah, they're not going to hold me hostage. No way. I've saved many hostages. They don't need to hold me hostage. Hey, Noel, you got some real gall on you. Yeah. Calling Fireman Ed a sellout.

That is a fun fact. You fucking sellout. You're a sellout. You're a sellout. You're a sellout. You guys don't even know. You're all sellouts. Just real quick, can we have a moment of serious discussion?

Sure. This guy's the biggest fucking sellout ever. Sellout. He's a sellout. Let's get to a break. Jeff Passon, known sellout, will be joining us for all baseball talk. Speaking of sellouts, I heard Aaron Judge was cheating. No, that's right.

He was. He was cheating. I heard they were cheating. And the pitcher. Baseball is happening. Domingo Hermann was cheating. And fun fact, firemen in New York do handle hostage situations, as Ty said. Does.

Fireman Ed. Yeah, we've all seen Phone Booth. Boom. Oh, what a movie. Yeah. That one had me right here. Oh, yeah. That was a Fireman Ed. Yeah, we've all seen Phone Booth. Boom. Oh, what a movie. Yeah. That one had me right here. Oh, yeah. That was a really good one.

Boom. Good idea. You like that movie. Phone Booth? Of all the movies. Josh, you like Phone Booth. I don't think I've seen, obviously.

I don't think I have either. I get it, though. Like, I watched. Guy picks up a phone in a phone booth and it's a hostage. 25, 30 minutes I watched probably that one. That's all you need. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's there the whole time. I get it, though. Like, I watched. Guy picks up a phone in a phone booth, and it's a hostage. 25, 30 minutes I watched probably that one. That's all you need.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's there the whole time. That's all you need. He's there for another hour. I heard it's the only. Yeah, it seemed to be the only set. It certainly was. Low budget, high performer.

Good movie. I loved it. I don't know how it ends, but I get it. What about the old school? Is it called The Negotiator with Sam Jackson and Kevin Spacey, I believe? Oh, yeah. Oh, your guy. Like hostage negotiation.

Kevin Spacey. AJ's a big... Yeah, he's in that. He sold out, too. He is the negotiator. Oh. Or Sam. He did.

Let's get to a break. No one sell out on the other side. Yep. The fireman head of baseball. Yep. Be a friend, tell a friend. Riveting baseball talk. Yes. Oh, nice. So, New Jersey's... Oh, tell a friend. Riveting baseball talk. Yes.

Oh, nice. So the New Jersey's. Oh, everybody be quiet. So good to have him back. So good. J-E-T-S. Jets, Jets, Jets. Oh.

What a legend. Everybody fucking relax. Is anyone doing it? Used to be. Is anybody doing it? Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah, I don't see anybody really doing it. The guy bottom right is on the phone.

He's not even paying attention. J-E-T-S. Look how happy Buddy is down here. Yeah, hell yeah. Look how happy this guy is. How did he abandon his team? He was so important to the Jets. Yeah, look at the Jets fan back there.

That kid's about to get involved. Everybody going to shout out, kid. J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets.-S. Jets. Jets. Jets. Jets. Cousin over here in white hoodie is doing it.

Yep. Oh, yeah. That guy. That guy doesn't look like a suit at all. That might be a social media director. What's he got on the phone for? Dude on the phone is like, hey, the fucking fireman. Fake fireman's back.

He's a real fireman. He's a real fireman. He's a real fireman. It does seem like nobody in this particular photo. Yeah, funny enough. What's happening? Well, they're all starstruck. That's actually why he had to leave.

People were so in awe of him. They weren't able to perform alongside of him. Couldn't even watch the game. Look, we talk a lot about superfans. How many times has a superfan been scared to go to the stadium? That's what they live for. That's what they steal for. That's what they do drugs for. And yet we're going to back up firemen? You were talking about the Kansas City Chiefs superfans. That's what they live for. That's what they steal for. That's what they do drugs for.

And yet we're going to back up firemen? You're talking about the Kansas City Chiefs super fans. That's right. In that whole thing. That community, yes. The whistle guy from the Saints. Come on. We got a tube guy here at the Colts.

Always has a tube on. I don't know how he gets that thing in the stadium. That's a long walk. We got Spider-Man and Captain America. I think it's the same thing like Batman. You live long enough, you become the villain. So you have to step away. That's right.

And now he's coming back in. Hell yeah. Thank you, Judo. Nope. Let's get to a break. Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. Fireman. Fireman.

Same scene. Same scene. Oh, guess what? Now more stolen valor. More stolen valor from Bruce Wayne. Okay. That's fine. That's his MO.

That's fine. All right. Let's reset. Let's refocus. Yeah. Okay, we do sports on this program. Okay. That's fine. That's his MO. That's fine. Let's reset. Let's refocus. We do sports on this program. Talking sports. My uncle, chief of fire department back in Pittsburgh. Exactly. Holidays. He's up and out of there because his pager

went off. Bingo. He's running towards fire. Amen. My cousin, same thing. Boom. What you have said the last 20 minutes about firemen, disgusting. It is disgusting. I'm pro fireman. How minutes about firemen, disgusting. I'm pro fireman. How many fake firemen are there at the Steelers games leading everybody's cheers? None.

There's a fake Troy. I want to let you know, fireman Ed right now is training in those fireman Olympics where they run with the ladder and toss it. That's what fireman Ed's doing in preparation of this season. Is that right? Can we run that video again? Because I think I saw eight chins on Fireman Ed. I don't know if he's training.

I hope he knocks you out. I hope you get punched right in the suckle. Yeah, look at that gullet. Once for Thanksgiving, brother. Look at that jawline. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Jawline.

He's training for a big season. They're going to win a Super Bowl this year. That's right. We'll see. Are they going to beat the Bills in the division? If Fireman Ed's there, definitely. You think Josh Allen, who's hitting dingers? Oh, my God.

Yeah, Josh Allen. Hey, he. Yeah, natural. And then with Kyle Brand, he said, I think I could have been a professional basketball player, too, if that had to be the case. I love him. I don't doubt it.

I love the answer. He's a dog. I love his mindset. And I love that he is stepping in that batter's box very fucking comfortable. Hitting balls out of the stadium. He's a dog. We need to respect him a good bit more, I think, out of it all. Athlete.

He needs to win, though. And he knows that. Has to. Joining us now is the fireman out of baseball. The face of the next generation of baseball. And a man who has covered baseball so closely for the last 10 years he knows everything about it that's right makes predictions he makes calls he makes opinions he makes inside information public ladies and

gentlemen jet pass how are you jett i i need to say something actually first off welcome like this is awesome just so great I can't tell you how excited I am but amid all of the love for Pat that's going on and going to the up fronts and all that I want to make sure that the boys are feeling

good about this too because they are such an integral part of this whole beautiful thing you guys have put together and the success and everything that boys congratulations to you too because without you guys Pat and this entire show it's still really good

but not as good as it actually is you're a hero Judd something's coming at the end no no that's sincere i promise i probably listen if gump were here yeah but oh we know he's not yeah we did it we missed gump and you're 100 right that's a massive part of the conversation too there was one um platform network that the way they were talking as if like we'll be able to put this person in this pot for your show and this person will be able to do this person in this pot for your show and this

person will be able to do this i was like well just to reset the whole conversation here we'll like let you know we got a valedictorian on the stage okay we got a uh paizan with the gambling brain that nobody else has on the stage boys aren't moving you're 100 right with that jet and you are a hero honestly yeah absolute hero that Absolute hero. That's a good play. Well, no. Here's the thing, though. Like, the beauty of this show is that everyone plays a role, right? This is a team.

Like, this is teamwork. And AJ can be the delightful scumbag. And Boston, you know, Boston Connorner can be like the idiot from Boston. And Ty can be the sad Yankee fan. And Tone can be the degenerate gambler. And, I mean, I could keep going. I mean, the good gambler, right? Yeah, the good gambler. Good gambler.

Chompy gambler. Chompy gambler. And Gumpy can be the guy who got kicked out of the country. Like, it's perfect. All top to bottom. It's great. Yeah, we cover everything, you know, because I do believe that whole part of the world

is a real active conversation right now as well. We are having our own immigration issues with an absolute icon, a man that we miss, and a man that gets dunked on by Jet every time he comes on because Gumpy is a massive baseball fan, and you are a massive piece of baseball. Let's talk about it. Aaron Judge was cheating.

They were hitting garbage cans. He had an electro-skeleton on. If he had that on, why was he looking to his right while he's in the batter's box? This seems to be the big story right now. What is it? I didn't get to keep up with it as closely, and what did we see from this whole thing? Tell them, Jed.

So I think what we've figured out has happened here is that the Yankees were stealing signs, but they were doing so legally. Now, this is something that has been done in baseball, Pat, for 100 plus years. If a pitcher is giving away, and when I say signs, by the way, I don't mean like looking in on the catcher or relating something electronically I mean sometimes pitchers will give a sign as to what they're about to throw and Jay Jackson the Toronto Blue Jays pitcher might have been tipping his pitches two different ways he holds the ball behind his back before he comes set and had

different grips on the pitch behind his back, whether it's a fastball or a slider. And he also talked about, to Ken Rosenthal, how he was coming set at going different speeds up and down with his hands, depending on whether it was a fastball or a slider. Now, if you can deduce that on the field, as the Yankees seemingly did, and you can relay it to the batter with, you know, a hand signal. Maybe your left foot is forward or your right foot is forward for a slide or left foot forward for a fastball. If you can do it that way, that is perfectly legal.

It's not cheating. It's just gaming the game. And if the Yankees are doing the game better than everyone else, you should give them credit for it, not grief. And if you can stare directly to your right while you're in a batter's box that has a shot clock on it and find a ball that's traveling

either 87 or 100 miles an hour, that's a pretty good talent. Sounds like it's not the Yankees' fault at all, but people are saying you guys are a bunch of scumbag cheaters. Yeah, well, we get it. It's because it's the Yankees, and let's be honest, Jet, you know as well as I do, the Blue Jays are a bunch of whiny bitches.

They have been for the last couple years now because they have this kind of self-aggrandized rivalry with the Yankees, even though they're not going to make the playoffs. They think they should. But, you know, they got their manager looking into the Yankees' dugout last night and saying, shut up, fat boy, to some more fat-shaming guys. That's awesome. Can't have that. Yeah, you guys wouldn't fat boy, to some more fat-shaming guys. That's awesome. Can't have that.

Yeah, you guys wouldn't do that. No, never. Would never do that. That's not something you would or you, Jay. I mean, Ty, Ty. I said it was awesome. I love it. You respect the game.

You respect the game. Ty, admittedly, coming out the day after your starting pitcher got kicked out of the game for cheating, isn't exactly like the right. So what happened correct me if i'm wrong here jet but i believe the guy who was umping home uh behind the plate the crew chief he had actually had domingo herman the guy who got kicked out like a couple weeks ago and they had a similar situation against the twins and he basically told him like hey

you got to wash that shit off your hands he did and then and then he almost got ejected, but they said, like, nah, it's sufficient. He's washed it off enough. But he threw, like, a two-hitter. Had, like, his best outing of the year. He had the same guy last night when he got ejected, and he basically said, like, hey, listen, pal, we've had this song and dance.

You can't keep doing this shit. He got ejected in the third inning. So that's still happening, Jet? They're still checking hands and belt buckles and hats and everything like that? I don't see it as much. Yeah, I mean— It's not just a ball game?

No, it's a second time it's happened this year. And Max Scherzer, who everyone here knows, was the first one. And it's an automatic 10-game suspension. You get run from the game that you're in. And unless there's some sort of incredibly compelling evidence, you're probably not winning on appeal. What are they looking for? Are they looking for anything or a

certain amount of thing because i heard rosin and sweat that becomes a little bit of a gripper do they have like a drop test that they put on if it turns yellow or green it's illegal how what is it what are you testing for and what is the threshold for when you're kicked out and you're cheating and you're a scumbag and a sellout like you so and aj oh no doubt uh so i'm gonna write this is gonna sound like it's not true this is 100 true in the off season major league baseball gets all of the umpires together and they will go with the umpires through like a series of people's hands that have different items on them spider tack which is like the super sticky stuff uh you know rosin and sweat uh sunscreen and rosin they have all sorts of different things and they go through and the umpires touch these people's

hands and they say is this legal or is this not? So it's discretionary when it comes to the umpires. There's no question about that. There's nothing purely objective about the way that they go about it. But you heard the umpire after the game last night saying those are the stickiest hands that I felt. And, you know, I think, is it the best way to do it? No, of course not. But I don't know that there is a good way to do it, honestly. So what if guys got poop in their fingernails? Yeah, possible. Them what?

You know, like, do they know all of the different concoctions that could add a little bit of grip? Probably not. It's just a learning. Is this going to be a part of the game forever now? Yeah, it's been a part of the game for a long time. Nah, nah, Jack, don't be an ass. They literally just started doing the full pat-me-down situation last year.

Oh, oh, oh, you meant the checking. I thought you meant the actual use of substance. No, no, yeah, I'm talking about the checking. Is this how this goes now? Because to your point, sneaking shit in places is a part of the game, right? Wasn't that like a part of the game? Now it's like, nah, I can't do it. Is this just what baseball is going forward we assume yeah no this is the this is exactly what

it's going to be like and generally it's pretty unobtrusive like it's at the end of innings usually and tv cameras have cut away and they've gone to commercial i mean pat the sort of stuff that i've heard that guys will do like there are pitchers out there who have their special secret sauce. They'll take it and put it in a Coke can and put some fire underneath it and melt it. That's about the math. In the dugout.

That's sweet. Throw the ball well, though. Got a good grip on baseball. It's crazy to think about. Go ahead, AJ. What makes these umps check the check their hands or check their belts does it have to be a request from the other team like the other manager has to say hey check his hands or could it be we just feel like the ball's moving a little weird sit his hands boys no it's it's pretty random actually like they they will go especially with starting

pitcher you know they sometimes they'll go in the first and third inning sometimes they'll go second and fourth sometimes they'll do all the innings if it's a guy who's been go in the first and third innings. Sometimes they'll go second and fourth. Sometimes they'll do all the innings if it's a guy who's been caught in the past, for example. And with relief pitchers, when they're coming in, they will often get it as well. So there's really no rhyme or reason to it. Domingo German, though, the pitcher in question from yesterday, had like goop on the back of his pants and on the front of his pants. Like if you're gonna cheat you gotta be

a little less obvious about it i think that's the lesson to be learned here and here's the thing this isn't something aj that's like going away anytime soon um if you look the the easiest way to tell whether players are cheating or not is from their spin rate like they have cameras in every stadium right now where you can track not just how fast the ball goes, but how it spins, how fast it spins, the axis it's spinning. And when the spin rate on fastballs especially goes up, that means guys are getting better grip on the ball and being able to yank down on it more and get that sort of elite spin. And right after the initial crackdown, the spin rate on fastballs plummeted,

but slowly it's been climbing back up. Okay, so people aren't cheating again. Good. I like to hear that. I like that the gamesmanship is still happening. We don't need big ump cracking down on the game. Let's keep it going. To talk about the game and the spin rate and everything like that, we assume when the spin rate went down, it was more hitting. Now we've got this pitch clock. What is baseball? Has that changed the game and the spin rate and everything like that, we assume when the spin rate went down, it was more hitting.

Now we've got this pitch clock. What is baseball? Has that changed the game? Has that revolutionized? Do you think there's more interest? Are the games more exciting, more low-scoring? What has been the actual outcome here through how many games are we in right now into the season?

We're a quarter into the season right now, and the outcome, I think, has been twofold. Number one, games are a lot faster. Like, that's really the legacy of the pitch clock, that games are moving along 25 to 30 minutes faster on average than they were last year. And for anyone who sat around and said, you know, baseball is just too big of an investment. It's three hours plus every night. That's not the case anymore. And, you know, you can argue whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Everyone, almost everyone in the game thinks that the speed of the game now is a good thing, that you don't need to play these three, four-hour games when you can get something done, and two and a half sometimes is even shorter than that. Offense is actually up and i think some of that is a consequence of you know pitchers not having the time to go out and execute these incredible pitches that they do every time out like it's really hard to go out if you're a starting pitcher and throw 100 pitches at maximum effort and guys just aren't able to do that to the degree that they were beforehand. There's also been an increase in injuries this year among pitchers. You know, some people think it's because of the pitch clock. Some people think it's for any number of other

reasons. Either way, a lot of the best guys aren't out there anymore right now. And because of that, I think offense has definitely benefited from it. And the thing that bugs me, Pat, is the issues that I've had with baseball have been regarding not just pace, because the pace has picked up. It's cramming more of the same stuff, though, into a shorter period of time, right? Like you have a pretty similar average when a ball gets put into play even though the the shifts are more or less gone now what hasn't been done is the strikeout rate hasn't gone anywhere and the walk rate really hasn't changed a whole lot either and so if you want baseball to be more exciting games are more exciting when balls are in play and when action is happening and the pitch

clock has not cut down on strikeouts at all. Figuring out how to do that is the real question for MLB. I thought you were about to pivot to the steroid era. The juice. When the ball was looking this big for everybody. They were holding those actual telephone bills. Oh, the heaviest bat in history. Swinging it faster than ever.

And eyes on the baseball as if it was a volleyball coming in every single time that was when baseball was the conversation point and i assume baseball is trying to get back to that is that what you think they're trying to do without having guys have to eat every single steroid that is available because obviously that's terrible long term for everybody's health. Yeah, I think baseball sort of acknowledges and understands the place of the NFL right now in the sporting landscape. Right. Like the NFL is this impossible to defeat behemoth. And in the 30 years since the heart of the steroid era, like it's the way the NFL has taken over. It's hard to argue against that i think what baseball is looking for more than anything is trying to make sure that this younger generation

loves it the same way that the older generation that's alive right now does baseball's trying to to make itself such that if there's a 15 to 25-year-old out there, and you say the word baseball to him or her, the response before this year, maybe still after this year, would be, eh, it's kind of slow, it's kind of boring. And I don't think baseball is boring because I love the nuances and intricacies of the game. But I can understand how other people might think that. Cutting down the game time is a really good first step,

but putting more action into the game is going to be the ultimate one, and that's the hardest one to do because there's no elegant solution like the clock. Jet, the NFL did it too to defense. They made it impossible. You can't do this, can't hit here, can't do that because they wanted more action.

So the MLB is seemingly going to do the same thing. If they want more hits, they're going to figure out how to get more hits and it'll be a whole the pitchers are going to be pissed just like defense was yeah James Harrison lost out on like millions of dollars as the NFL was changing the way the game was played James Harrison was the lead in two commercial breaks just like one year before he was getting six figure fines for the same exact hits. It's like, look what James Harrison just did to somebody. And it was him launching at 280 pounds his helmet directly to somebody's jaw.

And just like full-speed collision. Slow motion, the body sideways. Look at this. We'll have more of that in like five minutes on the other side of this break or whatever. Then fast forward a year later, James Harrison is fined another $150,000 for a reckless tackle. And you think James Harrison and everybody else was happy about that? No way. But the NFL was able to survive that. I think they're going to have to survive the pitchers who are the stars of baseball not being happy if they change anything that makes it a more hitting, friendly game.

I think personally, but I don't know shit about baseball. I'm one of those types of people. I don't know. A lot of what you said seems to make sense there. But, you know, how let me ask you this. How did the NFL better bats? So, AJ, I want you to answer this. How did the NFL pull that off without having a complete revolt

from the defensive side of the ball? A.J. was part of it. You couldn't really do anything, Jet. Not only did they take your money, but they gave you 15-yard penalties too. I remember losing a game when they call a garbage penalty on a long third down where we hit the quarterback and gives them another chance, gives them a fresh set of downs. So you couldn't really do anything about it, honestly,

especially because not only would it take your fine, but it would hurt your team. You could lose a game for it. Pat, there are people inside of baseball who think that the solution to this is cutting down on the number of available pitchers on a team's roster. So right now there are 26 players on every roster. Most teams have 13 hitters and 13 pitchers on a team's roster. So right now there are 26 players on every roster. Most teams have 13 hitters and 13 pitchers. And what that allows you to do, if you want to go with a six-man rotation, you can do that. If you want to just go with a deeper bullpen, you can do that.

Because if your starter goes only five innings, then hey, you know, whatever. But if they want to encourage starting pitchers to go longer into games. The way that you can achieve that is by incentivizing them to not go out and throw balls to the wall on every pitch, not go maximum effort, not go maximum velocity. And how do you do that? Well, if you limit pitching staffs to 11 pitchers, all of a sudden a pitcher says, you know what? As much as I want to go out and throw 99 maybe i should just live at 95 and go an inning or two deeper because that's what's right for my team all right it's good those balls will be gone right 95 and 99 vastly different to the eye yeah oh yeah

taking players off the roster though you're taking some opportunities away at the same time babe ruth used a 54 ounce bat back in the day i mean that's a telephone call bring it back that guy was pointing, too. He'd say, you know, hey, get the fuck out of here. He was saying to somebody else, and then he hit a home run. They're like, did he just call? Yeah. He was calling.

I don't know. He was actually talking to somebody he didn't like. But I think bigger balls, bigger bats, more home runs. Sure. That's a simple fix. Sounds easy. I mean, now, if we get guys not throwing their best pitches, that's another way to kind of get it. What's that? Use that ball. Put some cork in that ball or something, too. Let that thing fly. Yeah, It's not easy. I mean, now, if we get guys not throwing their best pitches, that's another way to kind of get it.

What's that? Put some cork in that ball or something, too. Let that thing fly. Yeah, let's get this. That's a thousand-foot home. Aluminum bats. Let's get the Sammy Sosa warm-up balls out there and warm-up bats out there. Corks.

I don't know. Aluminum bat. Those guys would be hitting buildings on the other side. Someone would get killed. Pitchers would die, yeah, if a pitcher got hit by a ball. Put the net in front of them. Well, if that happens, it will really else green up there. You know what? What are we even talking about? Just like everything else. Pitchers would die if a pitcher got hit by a ball. Put the net in front of them. Put the net in front of the pitcher. We'll address that. You know what?

What are we even talking about? Just like everything else. Let's remove the pitching from the game. T-ball. Get a robot. Oh, yeah. Pitching machine. Yeah, robot.

You know what I mean? Then we just got BP. Pitching machine, yeah. So we got a home run derby every single night. Yeah. Now we're talking. And just like IndyCar and NASCAR, you can soup up your robot. Uh-huh.

Right? If you can gain a little bit more, that's on your engineering team. Yep, throwing 150 out there. So do you want that, pitchers? Do you want to be replaced completely? Good question. Or do you want to maybe throw 85 right over the middle of the plate once every two innings?

What if that was the thing? What if they had to declare one pitch? This is going to be a hanging curve. One per inning. You have to do it. When he strategized it in. I love that I come on here and over the course of 20 minutes, it completely eradicated the entire sport that I cover.

No, no. The face of the earth. No, no. No, no. Hey, don't bring it up, bro. Baseball's great. We love it. Look at this.

I'm wearing the fucking merch. Let's go, fuckers. Come on, fuckers. But you also put chat GPT on the fucking merch. Come on. Let's go, Buccos. Come on, Buccos. But you also put ChatGPT on the fucking mound. Hey, that's not a bad idea. Have you heard AI Drake, dude? Oh, my. Banger.

AI Drake is hard. AI Drake is a real talent. Anyways, Ty has a question for you. Sorry about it. Back to baseball. Yeah, Jet, every time you come on here, a lot of times we do talk about the Buccos and how they need to sell the team, but they've actually had a tasty little season so far this year.

What the fuck's going on in Oakland, though? Like, for the last several weeks, they've been having under 2,000 people show up at those games. Like, Otani was there the other night. You can get tickets behind home plate for $20, and still no one's showing up. I think they have, like, a minor

league or, like, a semi-pro women's soccer team that they just started and they have two times as many people showing up to those games as they do a's games i know they are moving to vegas but is there any way that like this is going to get expedited or moved forward and they're gonna get out of the coliseum and maybe go play in like a minor league stadium because it's a fucking joke. Yeah. Honestly, going to a minor league stadium, Ty, wouldn't help. There are two things that are crashing together here and are really ugly. Number one, the Oakland A's are a horrendous baseball team.

They are losers. Yeah, they're a historically bad team. So it's not like they're giving any of the fans something compelling to go out and see, and they play in a terrible stadium that has live animals in the walls and sewage leaks and all sorts of other pleasant things going on. Commanders? They're playing in the Commanders Stadium?

Pretty much. No, look. The old Coliseum. The Commanders Stadium looks like the Thunderdome. I think so. Compared to Oakland College. They're playing in the Coliseum that the Raiders used to play in? Yeah, same one. That place was a shithole. Oh, no.

I hated playing there. Not worse, wasn't it? Oh, God, yes. They had a DJ sick. DJ was awesome. Environment was awesome. Yeah, they blowing in the crowd. That's cool.

Clouds, yeah. Everything is cool about it except for like there was no doors on the shitter either in the locker room. It was like two bathrooms, I think. There was no x-ray machine. We had guys getting dressed in the hallway, too. Yeah, not a big enough space. I mean, it was bad.

That's where they're still playing? Yeah. Oh, my God. I did not know that. It's pretty big, too. It's way too big for baseball, too, isn't it, Jet? It was never a great baseball. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's like the vet in Philadelphia. It's the old dual-purpose stadiums. And I'm sorry, but football stadiums and baseball stadiums are completely different. Here's the biggest thing, though. If you're a fan of this team and they've already not just committed to moving to Las Vegas, but they've now had two different sites that they've focused upon to build this new stadium. Why are you giving a single solitary hard earned

cent of yours to that organization that's gonna turn its back on you and leave? As somebody who grew up in Cleveland, I understand the feeling about this. Like the Browns left when I was a teenager and it was the absolute worst, just the worst and sporting heartbreak. Like there, you know, it's like your, your longtime girlfriend or boyfriend, uh, leaving you behind. You're not going to want to pay them any attention, pay them any mind

and especially pay them any money. What's the book, the outsiders, where they talk about Bill Gates growing up in an area where they're where the only computer that was accessible to the public was? And maybe that helped lead him to become who he was. Outliers. The Outliers. Malcolm Gladwell. Boom, there it is, The Outliers. This guy in Cleveland, diehard football fan.

Brownstein picks up leaves, goes to Baltimore, turns his back on football, becomes the greatest baseball insider he could be. And here we are. Yeah, there it is. How about that? It's always amazing. Always amazing. Admittedly, I moved to Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes came, and I got season tickets. So, I mean, it's not the elegant ending that we're looking for here.

No, yeah. Full circle. It's a good thing, Jed. This isn't a bad thing. The whole, like, I thought the Oakland Raiders fans would be pissed when the Raiders go to Vegas. They stuck with them. They go over to Vegas, and, like, the Oakland people, they would be pissed when the Raiders go to Vegas. They stuck with them. They go over to Vegas, and the Oakland people, they're still fans.

You don't think that's going to take place with the A's? No chance. No chance at all. Oakland still shows up to the Chargers game. Yeah. All A's fans just feel abandoned, not by the team as much by the sport. Because, Pat, this thing has been going on for two decades now they have had they have had i i mean they've had this you know bud selig was talking about this when he was

commissioner back in the early 2000s like we need to get something done with oakland and it's 2023 now and only now are they finally getting it done it It's unfortunate, and I really feel for the fans there because Oakland, it's a great city, and it is a great fan base. If you give them something to root for, well, when you're going out there and putting a team that's playing 250 baseball out there, there's not a whole lot to root for. Need Brad Pitt back in the building. Tony has a question for you, Passon.

Yeah, Ty referenced him. The Buccos were on an absolute tear. They're still second in the division. Is water has a question for you, Passon. Yeah, Ty referenced them. The Buccos were on an absolute tear. They're still second in the division. Is Water finding its level there, though, or do we think they're going to contend for an NL pennant here? Yeah, they've been rough lately. I think they were playing a little bit above their talent level, but they've got some guys there who you really can root for

if you're a Pittsburgh Pirates fan. I mean, look at mitch keller and what he's done his last two starts four hit shutout followed by seven shutout innings 13 punches no walks i mean he looks like a real guy uh and you got the feel-good story of the year and andrew mccutcheon coming back and you know playing extremely well and when o'neill cruz comes back they got brian Reynolds signed for over $100 million. Pat Magby, did you ever think you'd see the day where the Pittsburgh Pirates went out

and guaranteed $100 million-plus to a guy? That's why I got this merch on. That's why I put this jacket on. Because all we've been saying is sell the team. You don't want to win. Clear you don't want to win. How do we know that? Well, when players get good, you get rid of them.

The World Series is literally littered with ex-Pirates players all over it. Oh, this pitcher. What do you win? Whatever the pitching award is. Where does he play before? Oh, he was at the fucking Pirates. Of course he was. What's this guy? Oh, he's hitting 700 or whatever. Where did he play last?

Of course he did. It's like we get to see all these Pirates players go on and have success, but it's never with Pittsburgh because the ownership never wanted to shell out the dollars to have a winning team. Now it feels like he's paying somebody. I appreciate that. Rock Couch back, baby. Here we go.

Here we go. Looks like they're trying to win. I respect and appreciate that. And I'm happy he looked in the mirror and said, I sold Seven Springs, which was an incredible – I used a tube there, but I guess people skied and snowboarded as well. It was the number one rated ski resort in the mid-Atlantic region. He sold that. So that was taking up a lot of his time because he had tubing and snowboarding, half pipes.

He even had one of those things where you sit on like a car and it goes down through the mountain. It's a bargain. It's a bargain like that. Alpine slide. Alpine slide. That's sweet. So he's focusing on that all the time. It's a bargain like that. Alpine slide. Alpine slide. That's sweet. So he's focusing on that all the time. We need a new turn on the alpine slide.

So they sell that thing. They sell Seven Springs. Now his full attention is on the Pirates, and he's spending money. Hey, I'm on your side now, sir. Hell yeah. But let's win. Let's win because the Buccas deserve it. They're not going to win, though.

The Mets are going to win this year. I heard the Mets spent all that money this offseason. Yeah, the Mets aren't good. The Mets are not good right now. Yankees stink. Yankees are alright. Yeah, they're turning the corner right now. Shohei Otani breaking records. The Angels got to be good.

The Angels are fine. Otani's still the best. It's so ridiculous because he keeps getting better. If you watch a game these days, Pat, he keeps getting better like if you watch a game yeah amen yeah i i mean seriously if you watch a game these days uh you know up in the the chiron in the corner every time a guy throws a pitch it'll say what it is right and so it can be fastball it could be slide or it could be curveball there's a new addition to that this year and it's called the sweeper and it's a slider that has much more side-to-side movement

than sort of the down-and-away late break that it typically has. Shohei Otani picked up a sweeper last year and now throws arguably the best one of the big leagues because the guy who hits it in MVP caliber and pitches it in MVP and Cy Young caliber actually needed another weapon. I mean, he's ridiculous. And listen, he's got four more months to stay healthy. And if Shohei Otani stays healthy,

I'm looking forward to coming onto your show on ESPN Airwaves and talking about how he's going to be making somewhere between $500 million and $600 million guaranteed because that is what the contract is going to be. And that will not be his true value. With the Yankees, right? Bingo. Pirates. Red Sox.

Red Sox, for sure. Nope. Nope. Reds are five games back in the NL Central, Jet. Someone just said it. Dodgers. It is the Dodgers. Oh, Dodgers. I don't know if it's going to be the Dodgers, but I know the Dodgers are going to be very much in it. The Dodgers, remember, did not go out and spend any money.

Oh, did we lose the switcher? No, no, switcher's still a good callback, though. We did have a technical malfunction. This is just, you can put it up there. We're looking at the records and standings right now of every team. Dodgers actually winning. They're going to be the ones that are going to get Shohei?

I don't know if they're going to get Shohei Otani. I know they are extremely interested in him, but so are the New York Mets. And the Mets, you know, Steve Cohen went out this year and showed he has a ton of money and is willing to spend it. And I think Edwin Diaz will be back next year as well. Their manager actually just said that the World Baseball Classic has basically, like, ruined their season.

That was a good time. I like the World Baseball Classic. He didn't because guys were missing camp, and then obviously Edwin Diaz lost for the year. Who's the coach? Buck Showalter. Buck. Buck's good for the game. Buck's good for the game.

Buck's always been bad about stuff. Why Showalter? Is the coach, that's what they call him? Yeah, Skipper. Manager. Manager. Come on, Roger. Manager Showaters talking bad about the World Baseball Classic? Yeah, he's not happy because the Mets stink.

World Baseball Classic was electrifying. It was. Unbelievable. What if you were the coach, though, Pat? What if you were the Chiefs coach and Pat Mahomes got hurt in the Football Classic? I'd say thank you for representing your country, Patrick. Yeah. Hoorah, brother.

I appreciate you doing that. And you signing up for more work instead of less work is admirable. And that's why we paid you all that money. With that being said, we are fucked. I mean, it's 8 and 9 because of what happened with you. That's keeping it 100% real. I am worried about the future of the World Baseball Classic because I just learned about its existence.

I became a big fan of it. And it feels like now it's going to be nothing. Just like the Pro Bowl games. You know, Miles Garrett broke his toe or something. Like, yeah, that ain't ever going to happen again. Never again. That obstacle course that was like the American Gladiator. That ain't going to happen again because somebody got hurt.

It was fun. It was. Scratch it. Peel it. Pam, pam, pam, pam, pam. Pop it. It's gone we appreciate you Jet

stay healthy who's going to win Braves are you talking the World Series yeah well we know the World Baseball Classic

who's going to win not the fans that's right yeah I'm you know I love the Tampa Bay Rays they have been the best team

in baseball this year by you know what ty i'm curious what you think about the rays i'm sorry to pawn this off but as someone who's seen them a lot in roots for the yankees the rays are the goods right oh yeah for sure and it's just like they have a bunch of guys who you really haven't heard of but they just they play the game the right way they play small ball that like a lot of times their starting pitcher will go two innings, and then they'll just kill you with their bullpen. It is amazing that they are as good as they are, especially playing in –

the Trop is a shitty, shitty stadium. They've given the Yankees trouble for a very long time. They just scrape and claw, and they are very good. It's a shame the Yankees stink. They hit a ton of home runs, but they can also play small ball this year they do start yeah they're they're they're hit i mean pat you would if you like home runs you would love yeah that's why i watch slam diego when they're on the field it's a good record slam yeah trust me you know what the rays are what the padres want to be oh padres are worse

hitting team in baseball yeah padres are just laughing on the bench while their team's getting killed. They don't care. They were telling a joke about how bad they are. They were laughing at themselves. They weren't laughing because the team was losing. I heard they were laughing at some big fat clown in the stands. Apparently they were looking up at him. Let's go. All right, let's get out of here.

That's what we saw. You were at a Padres game? Oh, good joke. That was good. All right, Jet, that's a good walk-off for you. Ladies and gentlemen, MLB insider for ESPN, Jeff Passan. Thank you, baby. Very good.

Baseball, a lot of baseball talk there. Baseball has been hot these last couple days. I haven't seen a single thing other than Aaron Judge's eyes. And then the Yankees pitcher. It's just those two things. Pirates 2-12 over the last 14 games, AJ. That's not good. Like I said, the Reds are nipping

right behind them. The Reds are five games back in the Central. I thought you guys were already mathematically eliminated. Oh, no. We're doing incredibly well. Cannot wait. I like the we talk. I might take the kids to a game. I might put my glove on and go to a game. Take a fishing net.

Take one of those big fishing nets. Oh, yes. Walk in over your shoulder. It's a play. Sit in the very top row of the stadium, too. Very top. No, no, no. Third baseline, about 15 up from 15, 20 rows up.

That's a kill zone. I don't want to get killed. You got that net? There's nets now. You got to pay attention to every single pitch. You think I'm going to lose my focus. You know that. No, you're getting the ball from to pay attention to every single pitch. You think I'm going to lose my focus. You know that. No, you're getting the ball from the kid that's doing the ball.

We need to catch a real one. We need to catch a live ball. There's nets lining the field now. There's no kills out there. How do you fit your fingies in a baseball glove? That is true. Do you have all four of them out? Oh, yeah, you probably could.

Some in, all four out. I was playing some catch yesterday. My hands go fit nicely into a glove. Is it a molded one that you've had your entire life? Like a mouth guard? I do have one from when I was younger I still use, but this one's only a couple years old. It's molded to my fingers like the Birkenstock sandals.

Like a mouth guard. Yeah, you put it in warm water. Yeah, and then you just hold it there. Got the whole thing? And then once you pull it out. We make mouth pieces all the time. All right, we'll take some phone calls On the 500 phone line

1-833-433-3663 Or 1-833-4 DUNN Yeah 433-3663 Still got it I like that jacket Yeah it was sent by the Buccos Thanks to the Buccos

The white looks good Pretty bright Hard to keep clean sent by the buckos thanks to the buckos the white the white the white looks good pretty bright big hard to keep clean that's good clean material though yeah it's okay you can just dust it off okay you hear that i do hear that yes there's a microphone in front of you i can hear that there ain't nothing gonna come on this is never. I'm wearing this in the rain, in the mud storm. Oh, yeah. Okay. Can't wait.

Show me. After a mud storm. I hate mud storms. I'm sliding into second base at PNC Park with this thing on. And you're waking up shining still. No, because the stuff they put on the outside. That's actually the jacket they put on the pitchers when they get to first base to keep them armed.

Yeah, and they do this number here. Buttons suck. Yeah. Yeah, but you're never going to button it up. Maybe. Never know if it gets a little chilly out there on the diamond. Could be. The button onesies for the baby?

At the bottom. I mean, what terrorist created that? Need the zipper. My baby moves. Thank God it does. If it didn't, I'd be a little bit worried about, my baby moves. Thank God it does. If it didn't, I'd be a little bit worried about are we still breathing and alive here?

Doing the buttons? It's tough. Impossible, bro. And then they got one on the backside of an ankle. Oh, yeah. Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to... You can't line it up. You get it all done and you realize you skipped two. You're all off. Why are they allowed to even make that as an option that that

should not be allowed to be an option from those companies honestly don't don't you do you agree you've had 10 kids i yeah i agree the zipper just zip them right up you're right when it's the buttons yeah it's it's a hassle would it be easier if the buttons were like color coordinated that would actually yeah you still gotta get the like, like. Your kids move, too. Babies move. Their legs are flailing, everything. So that's the angle. I mean, we need to TM this right now,

dump everything we just talked about and create a baby zipper. Or Velcro. They have those. You should just scrap it. Wait, so the zipper is in buttons? Yeah, buttons exist. My issue is that the button ones are even available. They hardly get out.

There is not one button article of clothing in my daughter's wardrobe anymore. Those are gone. So we had a bunch. A lot of people gave us, I think, a lot of button ones and everything like that. We appreciate you sending those. Those things are never going to be put on an actual child. Need the dual zippers. Boom, from the bottom too.

Yeah, exactly. Can't have the one because you get the ones that just go at the top. Whole nightmare. Bingo. Yeah, exactly. You got to change the diaper. You just zip that up quick your diaper how many buttons how many button ones do you have that we're using zero but no no how many do you have that just were given to you to be honest i'm not sure because i've only seen three of them and every single time it's like not doing this well if there's

like 10 you can just combine them for like a bib for chuck and then just have chuck where geez what's your deal? A lot of people are buying Shaman Chuck. You're right. Jeez Louise. Chuck's bigger than a pit bull right now. I'm extremely worried about him. He's ferocious too. I'm extremely worried about him.

Why? Did he gain weight? He didn't gain weight. He looks the same. He swallowed 50 bricks. He's huge, AJ. He might be feeding on the otters and stuff. Has he been weight? He swallowed 50 bricks. He's huge, AJ. He might be feeding on the otters and stuff. Has he been at the old house at all? Has he eaten any of the fruit loops and everything from the animals? No, he's got a pituitary gland problem, I do believe.

Just like a big show. Andre the Giant, all that. That's who Chuck is. Sorry about it. No worry that an eagle's going to pick him up at least. None at all. He hasn't really gotten much taller. It's mostly just width. Unless we're going to pick him up at least. None at all. He hasn't really gotten much taller. It's mostly just width. He's a corgi. Unless we're going to do the little metal thing

that that one person was doing to their shins. Oh, yeah. Which, did you watch that video? Oh, yeah, I watched it. It was nuts. I feel like one of you should watch it. That's real? Why?

Yeah, I don't know. It was a long process. What do you mean, Pat? You want to get all that back? You could be 6'4". You probably can't even run with that thing. No way. I could barely walk. Stilts. You could be 6'4". You probably can't even run with that thing. No way. I could barely walk.

Stilts. You could put stilts in. Yeah. So you guys saw the metal attached to that guy's leg and said, I want to watch this? No, no, no. I said no. I kept watching. That's disgusting.

Yeah, they saw it right through his shin bone. What? Later in the video? No, no, no. They showed you the x-rays. I just got so much pain in my shin. Like, I have that thing. It was like a couple-year process, I feel like, too, to make him that tall.

Let's go a little positive way. I saw a guy in Texas, I believe. Not a heart pumping blood through his body as a heart. Two things they created. That's wild. He has no heart right now. Wow. But his body is operating.

Can he still feel love? Is that the guy that wore the butt plug into the MRI machine and it shot up his body? I don't know about the butt plug. I do not know about the emotional... What was that called? I don't know if you lose heart, you lose your sentientness, but it seemed to be eating.

I saw him eating. He wasn't sleeping. He was up doing stuff. Yeah. He wasn't sleeping. He was up doing stuff. Wasn't hooked up to a machine? They put the machine in there. They pulled his thing and the machine's in there. Full-blown artificial heart.

Yeah. That's crazy. AI probably figured that out. It's going to be tough when the power goes out. We've got to get him charged. Yeah. I'm assuming he's solar. How do we do this, Errol? I'm assuming he's solar. What are we talking about?

He's got to be solar. He's got to move to Florida or California, get the solar powered. He's got to go outside for at least two hours every day with no hat on. How does he fly on planes? Yeah, for real. He just always has something in him. I assume there's something. That guy cannot fly. I was going to say, I've got a battery pack in him. No, I assume there's something for a cat. That guy cannot fly.

I was just saying, that guy's not flying on a plane. Really? Why not? That guy's not leaving his house. He's lucky he's fucking eating mush or whatever he's eating. No, he had a fork, so it was something. Are you getting on a plane with a guy with a metal heart? I don't think you know the guy. How would you know?

Yeah, I think that's the thing. Oh, you know. What's your guy's problem? This is good news. Great news. Just like I've been meaning to talk about this. We've got to clarify this. What's your guys' attack?

Attack this guy so bad for peanut shavings and almonds. It's not disgusting. Oh, you're right. Yeah, you're right. A lot of support on my side about that. Sorry about that. I attacked him because he's a father, and now he's going to tell the next generation what to do

when it comes to eating sweets, and we're going to have a bunch of freaks walking around eating fro-yo and shaved almonds. So you're saying he's potentially influencing people in a improper fashion. Exactly. Getting a healthier option at the fro-yo. Bad idea. Yes, it's dessert. You're supposed to enjoy it.

So I think people would argue with you on if you're right or not. But with that being said, I would never get that. No, never. No chance. Never. If there's an Oreo option, I'm going with Oreos. Yahtzee. No matter what.

M&Ms. But I've seen people put like fruit in theirs. See, I'm okay with that. I don't do that. No, fruit's gross. I don't want to mix mushy fruit in there. I need crunchiness. You know that.

Texture, big deal. What about Fruity Pebbles? Oh, Fruity Pebbles are amazing, yeah. You would never, though. Put them in there? If I'm going to eat dessert, I'm not getting fro-yo. I'm getting a blizzard or something. I'm not going to the fro-yo spot.

You just said. He's just looking for a little sweet taste. Yeah, like if we ride the bikes with the kids to the fro-yo spot and I want to get some fro-yo, that's what I get. If we're running bike sprints. Yeah. All right, next. I kind of have a problem with how many times you keep saying fro-yo

and how you say it. Yeah. All right, let's get to the funds. You get it. That's the option. you say it. Yeah. All right, let's get to the funds. I get it. Look at all that. That's the opposite. Exactly. Yeah, so like –

That looked better. For me, I'm heading right to the far left, it appears, deep left. I'm going to go right here, middle. Closest middle. Yeah, we really are. Aren't you doing bottom left for one of those Ps? Is Froyo healthy? It's supposed to be.

Healthier. It's okay. I mean, healthier, but still whatever. You have it, what, once a year? No. I've got to work this off for the rest of the year. Is it a yogurt or ice cream? Froyo. I think it's frozen yogurt. It's an ice cream.

It's an ice cream yogurt. Froyo. It's an alternative. He goes every month right after him and Bob check their body fat and he treats himself to some Froyo. Where are you at right now, body fat? I haven't tested my body fat since they did it when I played in the league. I gained some real baby weight these last couple weeks. I didn't put that jacket on until I got the up front.

Did you see the photo? That thing does not fit. I couldn't tell in the photo. I couldn't tell. Yeah, you definitely could. My arms are there. Now, arms have gotten bigger, but that thing, I did not fit. I'm like, whoa, got to lose some of the baby weight here.

But we're getting into summer. It's going to be easy. Yeah, exactly. Weather's going to be nice. You can swim, right? Can't you swim laps in the pool for exercise? I could, I guess, especially now that my eardrum's fixed. You can swim laps around that lake that you live in way up north.

I patrol that lake. My jet ski. I'm not swimming that lake. Different story. You're basically Kenny Powers. Well, no. Kenny Powers might show up on my water out there. I am making sure everybody's treating

the water with a little bit of respect. I'm flying around that jet ski faster than anybody else has. I'm going 60-some miles an hour on this thing. It's too fast. Hot lap around the entire lake. That is so fast. You've got to get you a siren for the front of it. Pull people over.

I'm pulling. Yeah. If I saw this guy on my water, I'd be very pumped. I'd be very excited, but I would have to keep a fucking eye. Right. The panty dropper. Did you name yours yet? No, that is.

That is good. Yeah. How about him just standing up and riding that thing in the open? So awesome. Anyways. This has not made an appearance on my water yet, but I have seen other boats that have, and I've made sure everybody's acting accordingly.

That's been a whole... Wife got me jet ski for my birthday. Birthday was two days before birth of my daughter. So jet ski never got into water. Sam had something already set up pretty much like to get the boat, to get the jet ski never got into water sam had something already set up pretty much like to get the boat to get the jet ski into water so like when a handoff would happen to the wife at some point she would be like are you gonna go use it because she bought the jet ski sure so she would like the jet ski to be used as opposed to just get forgotten about so she's

been like a motivator like hey do you want to go get on JetSkill? I'm like, yeah, fuck. Why not go get on there? It has become, I go music full, because I got Bluetooth on it. Nice. I go music full board, and then I am wide open on that thing for a full lap. And then I come parking back home, and it's like, I feel like I just patrolled my water. It's a cool thing. This lake life is different now. That sounds awesome.

Do it like at sunset. Take a little drink out there with you. Put your headphones in or your little earbuds. I'm not drinking while on there. He's working. He's on duty. You're allowed to. You're boozing a boat and it's okay as long as you're not drunk.

Yeah, so I think booze are a real thing, especially on my water out there. You're going 65. You don't let anybody drink out there. No, not on my water. You got a breathalyzer? You breathalyzing guysyzing guys you pulling them over no they fucking feel me go by yeah slow down fuck they're relaxing on their boat and then all of a sudden if they're doing something that i don't like i'll do a couple quick 360s really cook up the water and then i'm out of that's the move do some 360s create some wake and then fucking hit those. Yeah, see ya. I almost sent myself.

That thing skipped up out of the water and then skipped right back into a wave. And it shot me. Little air. Holy shit. How much better is it riding on your leg versus, I don't know, say the Lake Tahoe swells? Yeah, so Lake Tahoe kind of fucked me up though, AJ. Because I see a little bit of waves or whatever. And I'm like, oh, this is going to be like Lake Tahoe. Here's me on this thing. Is this at sunrise or what is this?

Morning sun. That's pretty smooth. Yeah. This is the first ride. This is the first ride with this thing. Yeah, let's go. That's day one of it. Cruising.

Throttles on the left? Throttles on the left? No, it's a selfie video. Yeah. Everybody that lives on there, though, can see me out there so i have that photo yes yeah what color is that thing it's it's a clean it's a clean jet black oh that's nice a little bit of gold jet skis are awesome you're gonna name it or no you know the thing about it is um you gotta get another one yeah the wife has already been like you want to ride with a partner that's what's

fun about jet skis like riding with another person yeah i could see that or solos i'm having a good time dude it's just like a motorcycle pretty much the same thing can't be on my phone music's playing wide open and i don't have to worry about potholes yeah true i've because wave potholes i have like three yeah you're right there's every once in a while they come but they're nothing like tahoe no so like first couple days beyond that thing i'll see a couple of these and i'm like oh no this is just like tahoe tahoe we were like going up actual waves. I would lose sight of you when you'd go over top of them. That was a nightmare.

Forearms locked up, legs locked up. Gooch killing you. It was fun. I mean, it was a good time, but you're beating your, I mean, beating your body. I mean, it was the whole thing. So the first couple of times on this lake, I'm like worried. I'm like, oh no, don was the whole thing. So the first couple times on this lake, I'm worried. I'm like, oh, no, don't want to be. The waves on this lake. Burning through them.

I am skirting right through them. Every once in a while, you slow down and read it if you want and get some air. But I've been having a blast. So shout out to my wife. Is there speed limits on water? No wake zones? I don't know, actually. And I had to go through

an idle thing and i'm like uh do i have one of those on here am i just going slower usually in the morning and at night no wake yeah on most lakes like the one that you're on okay good like the whole the whole place in marinas and stuff like even in tahoe yeah not on the lake yeah no not like on the lake like when you go to like like Wolfie's or something, there'll be signs. But I mean, that's. No, I'm out on the lake. Yeah. I'm patrolling the water.

It's a fucking game. This isn't leisure time. Okay. I'm working. Can't wear sunglasses because you can't see is good. Right. Exactly. Anytime I get water on me, though, I'm always like, oh, I'm going to burn to death.

Oh, yeah, because the water's. And then I get back in the house. I'm like, I got to do a full shower. I'm going to burn to death. Oh, yeah, because the waters. And then I get back in the house. I'm like, I got to do a full shower. I'm going to hold this baby. I need not. Yeah. What just spritzed on my. Aren't they?

Isn't Jim putting Lolita in there, too? Is Lolita free? Has anybody looked up what's going on with Lolita, the killer whale? Down there in Miami, who's been in captivity for, what is it, 65 years? And they're going to dump her out in the middle of the ocean? I thought they were tracking her somewhere around the Horn of Africa. No, he's been in captivity for, what is it, 65 years? And they're going to dump her out in the middle of the ocean? I thought they were tracking her somewhere around the Horn of Africa. No, she's still in captivity. Yeah, they haven't got her out yet.

She's not happy. They said body language says Lolita's not thrilled that she's got Grace. Because Jim told her. Hey, you're getting out, babe. And then. Brother. I don't think it's Jim's fault. She goes, let's go to the fence.

It's got a Jacob in Ohio or maybe Jacob. Jacob, what's going on, pal? Hi, you didn't keep moving. Respect. I'd like to congratulate you on your child first of all, Pat. And I want to know when we're going to get like a Pac-Man Jones

segment or hosted show. I feel like that would be a cool thing we could do. No, buddy. Sorry. Happy to be a part of the Pac-Man. No, Jacob. That's a good question. We actually almost started one this Friday. But then we decided not to.

We were going to really put Pac-Man in an awesome situation. Yeah, there were things in motion. So, Jacob, we like where your head's at. What we're saying is we are cooking currently. Don't worry. Yeah, there is. AJ, this would have been fantastic. AJ, this would have been

fantastic. VCon's in town. VCon is in town. That has something to do with what was going to happen on Friday? Yeah, maybe. Why didn't we do it? Just because time

and potential. We'll figure it out. We'll get the right answer there, John. To your point, we'll get there. Let's go to Ben in California. Ben, what's going on, sellout? I was just going to call you. My friend was good with you, Pat. How you doing?

Just living this sellout life, dude. I got a baseball jacket on. Sold out completely. Life is good, though. Got a baby. got a wife, got a jet ski, got friends that are sellouts. I mean, Ben, how are you?

I'm good, man. I'm good. I'm just living. You know how it is. AJ, how you doing? I'm doing well, Ben. How are you? I'm good, brother. How are you, Pac? How you doing? I'm doing good, brother. How are you? Boys, we good? How are you? That's what's good. That's what's good I'm doing good, brother. How are you? Boys, we good? Hell yeah, man.

How are you? That's what's good. That's what's good. Hey, man, congratulations, Pack, all across the board, man. Real talk. Congratulations to you, the boys, the whole thing. Family growing. Whole nine, man.

Hell yeah, man. Proud of you. You too. Had to shout it out, bro, just to let you know. I'm Dallas' dad from Tahoe, bro. Oh, sweet. Hey, thanks for calling in, brother. Hey, no shit.

And Fox, man, got to show you some love, man. Appreciate it. Dallas lost his shit when he saw the clip, bro. Hey, well, Ben, thank you for calling. We'll be out of Tahoe again, right, AJ? You going out there? Absolutely. All right, yeah.

Already secured a few jet skis for the trip as well. Oh, really? Is that right? Oh, buddy, you sent me an email. Hey, would you like these again? Yep. So maybe, how many days would it take to drive? To get yours out there?

Yeah. Ooh, that's good. That's worth it. It's definitely worth it. Let's see how my water pony handles. Probably like four days, but if we have Mitt towed in his Mustang We'll get there in three Just have to put a little hitch on the back of that Mustang

Easy Alright I might have a jet ski out there too Cause I do think I was on the shit jet ski too Now that I You know what I mean You're probably in my Cadillac right now compared to what you have. I mean. There's a little dock.

I got like a little platform in the back I can fish off if I want. A control motor in there. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a Cadillac. I might be able to get a bass, a big time bass. Big mouth. Yeah. That's a 75 pound one.

You're a big fisherman. 73 pound trout in Colorado. That's right. Hell yeah. What a dream. Oh my God. Every angler's dream. Imagine that. You're having a lot of faith in that string that you put in there.

Yeah. Come on. This thing feels like a shark. This thing feels like a fucking shark. He got it. That thing shows its face out there. It's like, what the fuck is that? Okay, so

to get my jet ski to Tahoe would take a day and six hours. That's it? 30 hours. Drive it straight. That's worth it. That's it? Yeah. Hey, Mitt's got it. 30 hours straight? Yeah. That's nothing. Nothing. The only issue is for that 30 hours, I won't be able to patrol my

water. Is my water gonna be okay? Allen in York, Pennsylvanialvania what's going on alan jeez how are you doing keep it moving great to hear from you dude hey congrats on the baby girl dad life is awesome i got three in our house here with us so congrats to you and the wife that's awesome hey just want to we need more positivity out here. This is why you guys are being picked up by ESPN. The OG

Magazine Mafia members know and remember those box truck days. Remember Conor stuck in that phone booth. Remember those weekly Foxy flicks. So hey, the real ones understand this is a great move.

We're loving it. Can't wait to see where this show continues to grow. Congrats to you, the boys, everybody there. It's been awesome having Pac-Man in the studio there, the Thunderdome, every single week. So, congrats, boys. Thank you, man. That was very, very kind, wasn't it? It was nice.

Still a fucking sellout, though. He is, yeah. That was very, very kind, wasn't it? It was nice. Still a fucking sellout, though. He is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, talk about a bootlicker. Man, so is that guy. This guy. Bootlicker. What is your problem, Nick?

Bootlicker. I hate you. That was being super positive. I need to hear that. Jeez, Luis. Let's go to the phones. Us walking through the city yesterday was cool Oh yeah

We took a helicopter in I thought you had a car Nope Took a helicopter A car was supposed to be there Car was not there We were running out of time We had to walk

We go two blocks, 150 degrees. There was a strike going on that we walked through. Right through the front door. Told them we're pulling for them. Yep. Good luck out there. What were they striking? Well, there's the writer's one.

Oh. There's like four to five news stations shooting this thing too. And we're literally just walking right through. Good luck out there. And then right past them, right into the front door of this thing. And then they're like, why are you? You got to. Then they took us in the back, went up the whole thing.

But as we were walking through the city, it was cool to feel that buzz over there. Oh, yeah. New York, all those buildings, dude. We haven't been. I haven't been there in a while. Long time. It is so fucking big. So huge.

So big. Great time to be there, too, with the weather right now. It's awesome. Yeah. Very active. Everywhere, it seemed awesome. Yeah, very active. Oh, yeah. Everywhere, it seemed like. The place is buzzing now.

Feels like New York's kind of. Back. Yeah, feels like. I haven't been there in a long time. Who knows if it's ever been gone. I mean, I guess. It was. It was.

People were calling for it. Everyone moved out. It was great. I could never live there, but it was great to, like, pop in. Yeah. Experience it. Feel the hustle and bustle. Bam, and then get out of there.

Yeah. It was awesome. You a big New York City guy? Well, now I am because the weed is legal there. So they're smoking really good in New York right now. Yeah, a lot of money to be made over there. But it's just too big for me to be there more than a week, though. I don't mind quiet.

It's not quiet? Yeah, I don't mind quiet. At night, I'm okay with some time. Appreciate it. Just don't mind quiet. At night, I'm okay with some time. Appreciate it. Just being like no noise. So I think I kind of get overwhelmed in New York City if I'm there for more than three to four days. It just seems like there's always something.

It'd be nice just to, you know, nothing. Try it all. They make some shit happen over there. They were talking about like the money that was in their room that all live in that area. There's so much money in New York City. Ridiculous. So much money over there, AJ.

Yeah, I mean, all the giant advertising, the people that are going to be buying these programs, that's who's there. Who's there? Bettman, they said the commissioner of the NHL was out in the crowd. Allegedly, yeah. I didn't see him, but. Nice.

Well, he's a little full, right? I was looking for him. I don't know. Marshawn was out there. Yeah. Looking for cheese. Nibbling. Gave him a shout out. Gave him a shout him. I don't know. Marshawn was out there. Yeah. Looking for cheese. Gave him a shout out. Gave him a shout out.

Obviously, I went through that speech like six different times in my head. Not one time did I did an auctioneer voice. Okay. Not one time that I know that was going to happen. Pretty good, though. When's linear no longer going to matter? You know, everybody knows that that's what the future is. But is that one year from now?

Five years from now? What? Ten years from now? Twenty? Do we have 25? 25, maybe 30 years from now? Out of nowhere. It just came out.

And as I'm doing it, I'm like, you are the dumbest fucking human of all time. You know? I think I do. I think it was pretty good. Hell yeah. Went way past the time. Blew the red light. Eh.

Well. It's more of a recommendation. Angel Reese was there. One way past the time. Blew the red light. Eh. Well, it's more of a recommendation. Angel Reese was there. Nice. She's awesome. How tall was she in person? So tall. Really? So, so tall. Seven footer? She had heels on, so I think... Oh, yeah. I had cowboy boots on, which are my heels.

And I was standing on top of a plastic thing that covers wires. So it's like an extra, like, probably inch and a half, two inches up there. So I'm standing probably 6'6". You know? Yeah, just about. From ground with the cowboy boots and the plastic thing, I'm up there.

Angel walks by, still. You know what I mean? I'm like, God damn. And then you think about just an absolute doll. She is an absolute. I told Serena Williams that too. I told her, you are the fucking best. It was cool to be there, man. It was cool to be

cool for yesterday to happen. Happy it happened. Now we just move along making the program. And everybody that had worries, we appreciate your passion. But I do believe what you're going to see is all these comments that were very disrespectful to me, I believe, and my personal human, are all going to be wrong.

And that's good. I like that. I enjoy that. And I enjoy the hell out of being back in here. Now, I get to go back to my beautiful baby, my beautiful brat, and we'll be back in here tomorrow. Let's have a goddamn day. Let's go. AJ, great work today, pal. You're the man. Great work. Good luck patrolling the waters

tonight. I don't know if I'm patrolling the night or not, you know, because I'm patrolling the night or not. Because I came to work. They need you. This amount of time I've been away. When she goes down to sleep, you got to make a hot lap. Good little 15 minutes.

I put four songs in cue. And then whenever the third song starts, start heading home. That's a good little routine. Three lights are on. And then whenever the third song starts, start heading home. Start heading home. That's a good little routine. About 15 minutes. Three lights are on. Yeah, exactly.

Three, four minutes of song. Hey, Blanco has been with me basically, I'd say, four out of the last five rounds. Rides. Okay. That's a good song. His one with Diplo, Do-Si-Do, also a good song. His one with Diplo, Do-Si-Do. Also a great song. Diplo, Major Lazer, and Marcus Mumford.

They have a song called Lay Your Head On Me. My wife intro'd it to my life. Heater. Okay. Parker McCollum has a couple bangers. Hell yeah. He won his brand new album, Never Enough. That one's been there.

Of course. Shambaya, I believe. Hala, which is Bad Bunny's intro music. Oh. That song has been with me pretty much every single trip while I'm patrolling the water. A lot of good music out right now. Love that. A lot of good music right now.

A.I. Drake. Bangers. A.I. Drake. Banger. Everyone wants to do a song in the summer. Where's DJ Khaled? Isn't this his time? It usually is. It's almost do Song of the Summer. Where's DJ Khaled?

Isn't this his time? It usually is. He's been golfing a lot. I don't know how much he's been in the lab. That's where everything gets done. On the golf course. He's a scratch golfer, I heard. Transfer that over. I think he is, actually. He's got a beautiful swing. Is he going to Tahoe?

Maybe. Is the swing really that good? Oh, yeah. He gets parsed all the time. I heard he shot eight under. Yeah, see? That's why he went too far. Was that AI? Yeah, you did.

I want to see him shoot eight under. I'm just telling you what I read. No, Pat, what happens is they all start lying. Bang. That's a good swing. Great swing. That's an athletic motion. Yeah.

That's good wood. Boom. That's a bomb. That's a good swing. I think he shot 64 that day. See, you keep doing that. I read it. I read that somewhere. I'm sorry. Say 78.

No, he shot 72. He's part of the Parboys. That's what they shoot. Parboys, let's golf. Let's go golf. Go on, dude. Another par. I'm so mad. Look at the little fucking emoji down there. Let's golf. Let's go golf. Another one. Go on, dude. Another pause. He's so mad at the camera. He's the best. Dude, look at the little fucking emoji down there.

Look at that. A fair way. I'll take another. Is that where you want it to be? I don't know. You tell me, says DJ Khaled. Never mind. That's first cut.

Yelling lion. He's in there. He likes it. Get the spin off of there. This is where you want to be. A little fluffier. Is this a golf show he has? Is this on the Golf Network?

It needs to happen. I mean, geez louise. He's been on the PGA Tour. He used to ride jet skis all these days. Now he's on the golf course. Oh, look at that. Here we go. Put it on, DJ.

Okay. Great ball. Does that go in? It's on the green. No way. No way. No way. Excellent lag putt on Allen.

Good roll. Fucking pumping ball. This one. Got to make it. Got to make it, DJ. Great shoes. Air Max is a little tough to putt with. Glove putt.

Oh, boy. Boom. Dang. And kept the pin in. Let's go. Go. Great shoes Air Max is a little tough to putt with Glove putt Putt boy Boom Dang And kept the pin in Let's go golf Hell yeah He knows Yeah That's par boys

Always has I'll tell you what You get addicted to that feeling You miss out on a studio You miss the summer Exactly You know what I mean Exactly

DJ Khaled's getting too many pars He's getting addicted to the course Yep I need him back in the studio We need a song this summer. Yeah, we do. He's a banger. We got him, though, I think.

That Lay Your Head On Me song was really good. That Parker McCollum, what's the name of it? Handle on you or something. Lonely Long, also a banger. With Diplo. Yep. A lot of buttons. Shouldn't have a lot of buttons.

Shouldn't be a lot to do it. That took me way too long. DJ Khaled has been in the sand like ass off. He got out of there. He don have a lot of buttons. Shouldn't be allowed to do it. That took me way too long. DJ Khaled has been insane like ass off. He got out of there. He don't care. Oh, jeez. When he gets fired out of here, wait until he almost crashes this thing the other way.

Oh, there it is. DJ Khaled, absolute dog. Watch your foot. He's a dog, dude. He's fine. He's a dog. Yeah, that foot. Do not snap that foot off.

That happens all the time. Yeah, I've been known to put the leg out to save myself from something, and everybody's told me how career-ending that could be, and it's a natural reaction. You're a hero. Sorry about it. Let's get out of here.

John Moran is on every TV that's out there, so I believe they're talking about it. Pac-Man, thank you for addressing that. Yeah. Everybody wants to hear what Pac-Man thinks about it because Pac-Man, obviously a professional athlete, has been through this entire thing. I would say the vast different thing is Pac-Man grew up in a place where,

you know, the people around him are pretty common with this. The big worry is that Jha picked this up, it seems like, and wants this to be who he is. And it's like, we get it. Just do it not on camera. Get a bodyguard. Yep. Right?

That's it. Stop doing shit with your ass. Don't go on IG Live. Right. Flip phone. And get those people out of your Rolls-Royce truck. Yeah. Keep the truck.

Keep the truck. Definitely keep the truck. Yeah. And also, let's use premium gas in there. Right. Exactly. Let's get the oil changed. Yep.

Let's take care of that thing. Rolls-Royce trucks, really, you spend a lot of money on that. Yeah. Exactly. No 87. Yeah. No. Cannot do unleaded. No. Not even the fucking plus that is a gimmick

it feels like it is a gimmick that feels like a little bit of a gimmick absolutely i don't think my car understands the difference it's not like a sommelier of fucking gas no but you put that high high top shelf stuff in there oh yeah feels like my it knows now i don't use gas because i'm trying to make the world a better place. I'm talking about you guys. You, mostly. With your four miles per gallon truck that you drive over here. Bad guy. Always. 87 from the day

I, from my 16th birthday until now. Never put anything else in the car. I agree, but we're not driving Rolls Royce trucks. No, we're not. Yeah, you're right. I'm not. You ever have a Rolls Royce. You have a Rolls-Royce truck? Yeah.

No, I don't have a Rolls-Royce truck. You ever have a Rolls-Royce? I have a Rolls-Royce. That's hilarious. Do you just drive around in the back? Do you drive the Rolls-Royce? You've seen me drive it here before. Oh, that was that boat you parked in. And plus, you didn't drive it.

Well, I didn't drive it. You're right. Former DM for the Colts Tech Joe drove it. Yeah. Stop pants, Joe. Yep. Where the hell is he? Is he dead? Pacman put him on

a little bit of leave for showing up today. No, I think Joe's feelings might have got a little hurt from the wedding, I guess. From what we said about him? When we said we might have been too nice to Joe? That's all we said. Joe showed up in a black tie affair in sweats. We should be pissed at Joe. Joe's pissed at us?

We're not. Hey, Joe! Welcome to the group, Joe! Jeez Louise. black tie affair in sweats. We should be pissed at Joe. Joe's pissed at us. Right. We're not. Hey, Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe. Welcome to the group, Joe. Jeez Louise. I was cool with it. Yeah, it was hilarious. You were, Nick.

He was the worst dressed guy in Pittsburgh on that night. The whole city. And he showed up at a black tie wedding. Right. What do you want us to do? Not say something like that? Jeez, Joe. We won't be doing that type of stuff there when it goes to ESPN. No. Can't. Nope. Sell out. Sell out. Jeez, Joe. We won't be doing that type of stuff when it goes to ESPN.

No. Sell out. Sell out. Fucking sell out. All right, let's get out of here. We'll see you all tomorrow. You are the best people on earth. We're going to try to be full sellouts by the end of this whole thing.

Sure. That was the goal. That was the reason why the conversations even took place. Not because life gets easier, show gets better, things grow. Oh, no. Maybe changing narratives about sports media as a whole. Not at all. It's strictly so we could be sellout little pucks.

How can we sellout? I feel like selling out. It's pretty sweet. It's good life. Sellout. All right. This show sucks. That's Mickey Mouse, Nick.

Well, speaking of Mickey Mouse. Jack, careful. Don't speak about your boss. I was at Mickey Mouse up there. Literally just yesterday. I thought about that as I was up there. It's all pretty Mickey Mouse. Big deal.

All right. Goodbye, everybody. We appreciate the hell out of you. We promise we're just going to keep going. And if you want to ride with us, we appreciate it. If not, we understand. But we're very thankful and pumped for what could potentially become of sports media especially with our time at the worldwide leader who is on every single television in the world this is an incredible honor we're very thankful shout out to everybody

and we'll be back tomorrow all right all right goodbye