The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 909 - 2023 PGA Championship Recap, The Authority On College Football Pete Thamel, David Feherty, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys recap the PGA Championship, Brooks Koepka winning his 5th major, the incredible story about PGA Tour Pro Michael Block making a run at the PGA Championship and taking over the sports world. They also discuss the NFL Meetings in Minnesota, some rule changes that they’re mulling including changes to the kickoff, the Commanders sale not being final yet, and much more. Joining the progrum to chat about the Big Ten Media deals for football season, the state of flux they’re currently in, and Kevin Warren put them in a bad spot before leaving to go work for the Bears is the Authority on College Football, Pulitzer Prize nominee, Pete Thamel (19:51-48:07). Later, one of the voices of golf, and current analyst for LIV Golf, David Feherty, joins the show to chat about this weekend’s PGA Championship, how big for LIV it is that Brooks Koepka won and is starting to get hot, his thoughts on the LIV broadcasting debacle recently, how incredible what Michael Block did was, and where LIV goes from here (1:14:31-1:27:25). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Overreaction Monday, May 22nd, 2023. This sports program starts right now. Sports! It's our hot in the streets of this beautiful month of May, where it does feel as if the weather is turning all over the United States. Congrats to all of us getting a chance to enjoy the sun. It's awesome. The sun. Hell yeah.

Love it. Some places, I think, always have the sun. There's a sunshine state. There's obviously a lot of other spots that are warm. Midwest, it's not like that. No, no, no. Midwest, there's times of the year where we don't have any sun. No, no, no.

All we have is gray skies. And you think to yourself, how do I continue to be motivated with how shitty it is outside? It actually has a direct effect on people's moods. Well, let those moods know that the sun has come out to say hello. Officially, for the 2023 year, it looks like we are in a beautiful time to be alive, let alone with the weather and sports. We got the NBA about to have something happen that they could have never expected. No, they didn't. It is currently 3-0, 3-0 in both conference finals.

And on the receiving ends of the O's in the 3-0 record are the big teams that the NBA certainly would want to go. The teams with a storied franchise in generations and generations of fans and championships and big-time ratings no matter what they're doing. Instead, the Celtics down 3-0 to this Miami Heat team who's filled with a bunch of dogs who have taken everybody by storm. What is this team? What is that? Well, they got Jimmy Butler, and they got a group that has four undrafted players playing actual meaningful minutes

and only three lottery picks playing meaningful minutes this is a team this is chemistry this is a championship locker room yeah coming together at the right time with obviously spolstra who has been coaching forever in the nba it seems like with a lot of success congrats to them and on the other side holy shit don't look now lebron james in the los angeles lakers are about to get swept potentially by the denver nuggets the denver nuggets unreal congratulations carmelo anthony on his retirement shout out to the nugs for sure and shout out to joker being the most talented basketball player on earth and us all getting a chance to enjoy watching him play basketball now we didn't know that he existed for most most of the year even though he had won

back-to-back mvps us football sports stooges didn't really glance over at the denver nuggets no offense denver i think you could understand this in indianapolis and other places what's on tv at night whenever it's basketball normally going to be LeBron and the Lakers in there. So you guys kind of get buried in that shuffle. Now, I know in your area, in that part of town where the games are very accessible and easy to find and watch, I assume the Nuggets have been known about by their fans that they are a fucking wagon. I will say that I did not know that going into this particular postseason.

But watching them play is spectacular. Joker's a bully. He's also incredibly talented. He's running point forward at this stage of the game. He's passing a ball to a guy named Jamal Murray who's talking shit while burying people. It is unbelievable to

watch this Nuggets team, and they're about to sweep the Lakers. LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reeves, who's an absolute dog. He's got that knee sleeve on. He's obviously going to be a stud. Could have never guessed. You know, you walk into a room, there's 40 whites. 40 of them.

Austin Reeves is one of them, and they say, point at the guy who's going to be a fucking very wealthy dog in the NBA. You're not pointing at Austin Reeves. I don't think. LeBron did at first practice. But to get into that first practice, I don't think. LeBron did. LeBron did at first practice. Of course. But to get into that first practice,

I don't know if LeBron would have been able to do it potentially. LeBron would have seen his brain from outside of his skull and knew that his basketball IQ was going to be what it was. But nonetheless, the Lakers, the Los Angeles Lakers, the one that has all the documentaries and championships and superstar fans at the games every single week and every single night, they're about to get run out of town by Joker and the Nuggets.

And then the Celtics about to get run the fuck out of town. Dominated. But I think this, if people will be willing to listen, this NBA Finals should be a great clash. Oh yeah. Absolutely. You got some real dogs. Like very competitive

underdog mentality. Chip on the shoulder of both of them. And then you're going to, I think it's going to be great basketball. Absolutely. Now, granted, everybody's just saying it's a matter of fact that they're going to get swept, and I'm kind of saying that as well because nothing has shown that it wouldn't be. Oh, whenever they get to the other arena, it's going to be completely different.

It hasn't. Same exact game, just a new venue. Probably better weather for both of them. It's just been a very interesting dynamic over there. And then the NHL, 2-0, 2-0 as well. All games going to overtime, though, so you think that'll be a little bit closer. So the NHL and the NBA had a fantastic weekend. We'll talk about that all day today.

But golf stole the show. Congrats to Brooks Koepka winning his fifth major. Let's go, Brooks! And a big Brooksie! stole the show. Yes, it did. Oh, damn right it did. Hey, congrats to Brooks Koepka winning his fifth major. Let's go, Brooks! Hey, Brooks! Hey! Let's go, Brooks! Woke up with the lead on Sunday,

PGA Championship Sunday, and he'd never relented. Nope. There was a thought that maybe what happened at the Masters that he self-described in an interview as a choke. He was openly saying

during this PGA Championship, what happened at the Masters was a choke. I ain't doing that anymore. I was talking to any golf person I think that would listen, telling them what's the difference going to be? Oh, I'm playing on Sunday. I ain't joking.

I am not just sitting back, letting this whole thing happen. I'm going to continue to step on throats. And whenever they talked about it, I think the second hole, yeah, the second hole par three, he puts that thing literally within like four feet. Then there was another green that he attacked that had like a six-foot landing spot pretty much. And he went for it when everybody else was going on the other side.

With a two-stroke lead at the time, if he would have went for the big part of the green, everybody would have been like, smart. Hey, that's a really smart play. Instead, he's going pin-seeking for it and landing it within two feet. He's draining putts whenever Victor Hovland was right next to him making putts, kind of stepping on his feet. He was spectacular throughout the entire weekend,

but definitely on Championship Sunday. Hovland played incredible golf. Obviously, Scotty Scheffler had a piss-poor Saturday. He gets hot about hole 10-11, I think, on Sunday. He starts making a putt, and it's like, wait a second. Scotty Scheffler's about to fucking get into this game. He did. He obviously ends up in second place. putt and it's like wait a second scotty scheffler's about to fucking get into this game he did he obviously ends up in second place and then you got this pga course pro that's right that's given

lessons and is good let's not get crazy you go to any of these courses and one of these fuckers is out on the driving range they're what they're doing with the golf ball actually makes you think every time you see them why aren't you yeah what are you doing why aren't you playing on uh uh and they're always so humble i think because they've been humbled by golf so much they always go oh those guys i'm not good enough the way those guys it's night and day between me and them it's like i don't know what else you can fucking do here pal aren't we just trying to get ball point a to point b they're shaping shots on the range and obviously they have all the answers for every member that would like a lesson and his home club being showcased back there was spectacular so cool but michael block

was awesome yeah full show comfortable confident yeah cut some promos played to the crowd a little bit for sure knew there were some moments and hit a hole in fucking one yeah on a sunday his first ever tournament hole in one he said in the interview immediately afterwards. I think he did a great job, not only for himself, but for all the people that he represents. And also for golf as a whole. Such a wholesome feel. How incredible. He was pumped to be playing alongside Rory. He was thankful to even be playing with Rose.

And he was like, oh, these guys are so nice to me. And then Brooks was in there. It was just a beautiful thing. So congrats to the PGA Championship on winning the weekend in my eyes. Now, the toxic table is here back in full form at Boston Corner. Sorry, your Celtics are just getting boat raced. It's alright. Obviously,

that's not fun for you. Great run there. Your team's still in the conference finals. Yeah, one of the last four plus who cares? The golf is so good. Yeah, they've been around a long time and we'll talk about the Celtics certainly just melting. We don't have to if you don't want to, though. I don't like that they're doing it. Yeah, that's why we might as well just talk about the celtics certainly just melting yeah we don't have to we don't have to if you don't want to though i don't like that they're doing it yeah that's why we might as well do that we should just talk about because show that show that up there we don't want to have to hammer too much oh that's right yeah there it is boom still hanging that's a couple weeks old

up there yeah yeah and that was the last big heartbreak for the bruins that's right or for boston i'm sorry as a whole yeah the bru Posta plays for, that is not his actual last name. That's a customized jersey that Boston Conner got. And the reason why Boston Conner got it is because the Bruins this year were better than anybody's ever been in the history of hockey. That's right. At least since 2005. No, forever, but yes.

Most wins in a regular season since 2005. No, ever. 65 is bigger than 62. But once again, every time we talk about this, you force me to have to say this. In 2005, they added shootouts. They didn't have shootouts before then. So you guys have the most wins in the shootout era. You had four wins in a shootout fashion.

So if you were to subtract that and make that a tie, you would only have 61 wins if you do the math from 65, which would be less than 62, which would mean you guys would not have the all-time wins. but nonetheless, not your fault. Yeah, I don't make the rules. Not your fault. I still hang my hat on it's more wins than Sidney Crosby's ever had in the season. Which is an accurate assessment, and there was no reason to do that. He's one of the

greatest hockey players of all time. I figure I might as well point it out. They get fucking knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, though, after having the greatest season of all time. So there was a lot of high hopes in Boston for the Bruins and they hang the jersey in the rafters so that we could always remember that incredible regular season that the Boston Bruins have

because they had the best regular season of all time. All time. At least since 2005. All time. But who cares? We got the Celtics still in there. In Boston, that's what we get to do. One Stanley Cup champion favored out, okay, we'll get the NBA Larry O'Brien favored in.

Exactly. Got to pivot. And I'll tell you what, the Celtics did, didn't they? Oh, yeah. And then they just ran into this Miami Heat buzzsaw, and everybody's calling for fucking Missoula's head right now, Connor. I went to West Virginia with Joe Missoula same time. We do know each other. If I was to see Missoula and missoula was to see me

i do believe there would be a dap full embrace nice good to see you catch up now he was on the basketball team and i was on the football team so a little different schedules i think because they literally operate the exact opposite time so we but we did not have beef with the basketball team we got along with with basketball so it was just an interesting kind of timing of when, who's out where. Both really good too. At the same time, yeah. I mean, Joe was a good dude. I enjoyed the shit out of Joe Mazzulli. There's a lot of great basketball players

that were great to hang out with too. Those guys had a good time. Yeah, I will say those guys had a good time. Hell yeah. Which I like. Right. They're calling for his fucking head. He's 34 years old right now? Ridiculous. He's 34 years old? Yeah. Youngest coach. Just led them to the Eastern Conference final. Now I know they've got a great team and they've been there before, but still just get tossed on the

back of a horse that runs fast and hopefully stays alive. What is the deal? I have no idea. Are they just putting a spotlight on him more than they have in the past? It seems like either that or there are definitely more horses dying recently than have ever in the past.

One half of the hammered down cowboys, Tone Diggs is here. What's up? Let's say a dog wanders in the street and gets hit by a car. We take it to the vet and we see if we can fix it. A lot of times it can get fixed. We put casts and braces and cones around their heads and stuff like that. Then they go to live a nice little life. Yeah, not even a thought.

If horses pull a hammy and we put a bull in their heads? Yeah, I don't know what the deal is. Is it because they're... I don't know what the deal is. They don't have horse casts? Yeah, and can they not... I guess they probably wonder... The horses are much more powerful than dogs.

They don't have cones for their heads? No, I assume they have the ability to blow out their... Like... I think dogs, you can... I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Because I've tried to figure this out a couple times. Why do we just have to... On the track, they're doing this.

Well, dogs... Anyways, let's move along. Horses have it perfect. Let's just say you get a good... What? If dogs were to be hot dogs after they died, then maybe they wouldn't do that. So let's not.

We don't need to get into the whole. I don't think that's in hot dogs, by the way. No, no. I don't think that's in hot dogs. No, but if it was, you can see how they might let it go. Yeah, but there might be people listening right now. Oh, I heard. And then we're all of a sudden a source for something.

Let's keep those horses alive, though. Sure. I agree. We would like everybody to know that we are sellouts, and we are certainly on the side of, let's get these horses around. That's right. Now, I don't know what to do. I don't have the answer. Yeah, and if arts and crafts needs a couple extra things.

See, big part of the problem. Yeah, you can't do that. While humans have some large muscles and a bit of tissue below the knee that helps to stabilize a broken bone along with a cast, a horse has very little muscle and hardly any other tissue besides tendons, ligaments, blood vessels. Okay. Who wrote that answer? TheSprucePets.com.

Sounds like they're in. Yeah, they're big horses. Yeah. They for sure are. Anyways, we're learning a lot more about that than we ever have in the past, and I don't know if I necessarily love it. You add that on to the fact that Breeders' Cup is the actual best horses, and I've been sold a bill of lies about Kentucky Derby,

which I'm assuming the horse people are like, no, you haven't. We've said this all along. It's like, I didn't know that. I thought the Kentucky Derby was the... Creme de la creme. It turns out that's just like a feeder into the Breeders' Cup, which is where the actual dogs are.

The actual... We need to learn a lot about racing because I'll tell you what, that Derby Day was awesome. It was sweet. I enjoyed watching it. Let's get back to the horse that we were riding. Joe Mazur hops on a horse

that goes to the Eastern Conference Finals. I know it's not easy to just say, fire this guy, but what do we do? He just knocked out Doc Rivers. Remember, he was getting outcoached in that particular game. Now they want to fire him, trade everybody. I saw a guy seemingly fire this but what do we do he just knocked out what doc rivers remember he was getting out coached in that particular now they want to fire him trade everybody i saw a guy seemingly with a lot of say

up in the boston area a lot of action on that tweet where he's like fire mazola trade everybody yes so it's just because you guys are potentially going to get swept or is there actual action behind these words and is this possible in the nba especially in boston definitely possible in the nba i mean it's not as if it's unheard of. Now, he is the youngest coach in the NBA. He's also a first-year coach, like you mentioned. And, you know, when you look at the situation that he had to come in after the whole Udoka thing, it's kind of difficult to say, like,

hey, let's run this guy out of town. I personally like him. I think if you watch those games and people are complaining that he's not calling a timeout when they're down 12 and then they get down 17 and call a timeout, that's not the issue. The timeout isn't what's going to save the Celtics. Well, whenever they were down one and there was 10 seconds left. Do you remember this?

In the first quarter? No. It was at the end of the game. Marcus Smart hits a three right after the horn goes off. I think it was against the Sixers. Oh, yeah, in overtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.

So then I think that brought into the conversation of, this guy doesn't fucking understand clock management. What the hell's going on here? Because if you call a timeout there, get a play in, you can potentially get two shots at it because you're only down one. You foul somebody, it's two shots. You're still only down three. You potentially get two shots at it because you're only down one. You foul somebody, it's two shots. You're still only down three. You can get two cracks at it.

They make the shot, but it's right after the clock ends. So now he doesn't understand timeouts. So I think that is something that is always going to be lingering now over his head because I actually agree with all the theories that they had. Now, if that shot gets off half a second beforehand and it falls, he trusted his team. He understood. They had a play already designed.

They had everything already figured out for that. We practiced this exact moment 50 times this year. We were ready for it. Instead, it's this guy doesn't know shit or his ass from a hole in the ground because he's standing over a mirror like he's Tony Diggs every single Sunday night when he's about to nair his bottom. And watch the town. Good night last night.

Atta baby. Proud of you. Got sitting comfy over there. But why is that? I think that leads into everything that's being said now. Like every mistake he has ever made is obviously going to get spotlighted. And he knew that when he took the job, I'd assume. And I wonder how much he thinks he could get better.

You know what I mean? I don't know how much they could get better like this is you know I don't know the fifth run with this team and last year is the finals the you know year before that it was the eastern conference final so not going to the finals is a massive step down but I don't think it's Missoula's fault I mean look you mentioned the undrafted guys two of their undrafted guys outscored Tatum and Brown by you know 20 points now if oh yeah I remember last week everybody's saying you had a better jumperored Tatum and Brown by 20 points. Oh, yeah.

I remember last week everybody was saying you had a better jumper than Tatum. Yes, exactly. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. Which is still not true, but they're not playing to the – Well, we saw you make four shots here. Yeah, he was a really good jumper. Yeah, his elbow was tight. Yeah.

It's perfect. You know what I mean? It was like Joe Mazzulla taught you. It was. He basically did. It essentially did, but no. Tatum is, what, going to get paid $350 million? I don't know.

What did Jokic just got, $270? $270, yep. I think Jokic has been paid once before. I'm not sure with the contract details with him. But for Tatum, $315. For Brown, $290. And they combined for 27 points. It's not happening.

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think it's firing Missoula. I do think trading Jalen Brown is probably on the table because it was early in the year with KD. So, if they're already thinking about this, and now we're about to get swept. He wears the mask sometimes and then not other times. I saw him not wear it one time, then he had a bloody nose.

Is he just the most unlucky face in the history of basketball? Yeah, by far. He broke in orbital bone and then put the mask on, liked the mask, kept the mask on, and then – It looked cool. It does look nice. Yeah, by far. He broke in orbital bone and put the mask on, liked the mask, kept the mask on, and then... It looked cool. It looks sweet. I would hate it, though. I don't think... Yeah, depth perception and you're... Yeah, no way. He's mentally tougher than us.

Yeah, probably. Maybe. Let's move on. We'll continue to talk about the Celtics potentially doing this and the Lakers because there's not a lot going on in our particular sport other than league meetings that are happening in Minnesota. We do have big news on this particular program Ty's back from the suspension all right yeah Ty how was the suspension uh suspension it was it was all right um decided on my you know little and I appreciate you giving me the heads up saying hey proactively they're gonna suspend you that's kind of just the way it is you know I don't love it but

it's it's don't know what you said yeah said something yeah no idea um so i i went on a bachelor party you know really yes i did yes i did you just found one yeah yep i just said you know what i'm gonna get out of town for a couple days kind of clear my head try to really look inside and see what i did wrong see what i said wrong um so yeah i went on a bachelor party went down to south carolina had a good time really yeah so is there like an app where you just find bachelor parties just to tag along i just went on reddit and just said hey anybody got a bachelor party this weekend you know it was happened to be a guy you knew yeah bingo it's funny how things work out that way it's amazing when you're looking for something what you can find absolutely amen yeah it was it

was great you know i mean and again, I did do some soul searching. I didn't really come up with anything on what I may have said that was over the line. Oh, we were trying to. Wait, I thought during your travel you had some time to reflect. Well, I did. I mean, travel absolutely stinks. And I'll tell you what, after, I mean, really, it's not your fault, but because we've flown private so much and you get a taste of that and then you go back

and just have any kind of issues traveling, it's just – oh, my God. Look at how small you're a sellout, dude. I hate to break it to everybody. How about that? You just sold out. No, I'm fully aware. When it comes to private aviation, I will sell out every day and ten times on Sundays.

It is a game changer. Oh, my God. This guy Ubered three is a game changer. Oh, my God. This guy Ubered three and a half hours. Oh, is that right? But it was a nice car, you said. You got a big SUV. Yeah, it was like a 2005 Toyota Corolla. Oh, no.

Yeah, it just wreaked new ports. So, yeah, it was kind of nice. Yeah, well. That'll wake you up a little bit. Yeah, I told the guy, I said, hey, listen, you want to burn some heaters in here? Go right ahead. Roll the windows up. Yeah, exactly.

Joining us now is a man who hot boxes every car he's ever been in. I got a chance to meet him during a college game day this past season. He worked for nine years at the New York Times. Damn. Was up for a? A Pulitzer, I believe. That's a real one, right? Yeah. That's a real award. New York Times. Damn. Was up for a... A Pulitzer, I believe. That's a real one, right? Yeah.

That's a real award. Oh, yeah. Very. That is not like a make-up, fake. Pulitzer's one that when you win it, you're like super pumped. Oh, yeah. That's an Oscar in his profession.

Holy shit. He didn't win it, but he was certainly up for it. Nominated. Nine years at the New York Times. Now he's at ESPN. He knows everything that you need to know about college football.

He is the authority. Ladies and gentlemen, Pete Thamel. Yay! How are you, buddy? Pat, I'm great, man. Great. Grateful to be on the program. Hey. Did I say that right? Yes, you did, Pete. So, I didn't know you were

up for a Pulitzer. Bad teammate on game day. We were around each other every single week for like 12 weeks. I didn't mention this one time. You were up for a Pulitzer. Did you save game day. We were around each other every single week for like 12 weeks. I didn't mention this one time. You were up for a Pulitzer. Did you save the world? You saved the world? I didn't save the world. I just wrote about college football. And since I didn't win, it's sort of embarrassing. You know what I mean?

It's like, you know, it's like the third cow on the county fair or something. But yeah, it was, yeah, there was just, college sports are just so filled with like ridiculous things, Pat. I think, as you know, as a former, obviously a former West Virginia Mountaineer, and you've seen how just drastically the world has changed, right?

In what's it been, 15 years? Yeah. If you were a foot, foot hit ball. I mean, it's like a, it's like a totally different environment, right? Like everything's changed. Hey, Pete, you did your research. It is actually 15 years. You know more about me than me, which is why you are the authority.

You should be pumped that you were nominated. I'm a Hall of Fame nom. I'm going to stay forever. That's right. Nominated for all. Never going to get in, but I am going to be a nominee forever. And I'm like, that's a big fucking deal. Being nominated for Pulitzer.

Good on you, pal. Let's talk about the world right now. The reason why we are chatting with you is because you and your family, wife, sent my family a gift for baby Mackenzie. Nice. Magnetic connecting. We talked about the snaps. Yep. The magnetic one, game changer.

He sent it to the family. And at the same exact time as us pretty much opening that, you had just released an article about the Big Ten's TV rights. So it was literally our entire world kind of coming together. So I sent you a text and I said, hey, Pete, is there any way you could come on the program? We talked to you a little bit. The Big Ten is in an interesting spot right now. Seems like their new deal that's about to take place

with the NBC community with Peacock and live on NBC and I think USA, I think there's other things that could potentially fall into the NBC community with Peacock and live on NBC and I think USA I think there's other things that could potentially fall into the NBC platform the Peacock world I guess this is rough with some real feathers with the x-fox deal and now there's 40 million dollars that every school has to pay back is that real and how do they get through this and how do some of these schools survive that feels like a lot of money from some places. So it's $40 million for total. So I would say this right now as they're ironing these deals out.

So these three TV deals, Pat, start in September, and they're not done yet, which, again, I'm not a TV expert or consultant, but usually when you have multibillion-dollar television deals, they're completed before the season starts. And when the new commissioner tony patiti started about a month ago there was just a lot of legwork that needed to be that needed to be taken care of and these ads all of a sudden started getting bills hey you you've got to pay back now it's 40 million total amongst the schools which which will be 16 but then there's also another 25 million for covid games that never got played. And then the NBC deal now is shrinking because certain teams don't want to play in primetime.

So they're finishing the negotiations on that. Don't want to play in primetime? What do you mean by that? So there are what are called tolerances. And I got an education in this. I kind of knew about it. And let's put it this way. Ohio State, Michigan, when do they play it?

Noon. Noon. Every year, right? Set your knew about it. Let's put it this way. Ohio State, Michigan, when do they play it? Noon. Noon. Every year, right? Set your clock to it, right? That last weekend. So that game is not played in primetime in part because of these historic tolerances, because of weather, because of recovery, because of different reasons. They just say, we want to play at noon. So when they sold NBC this giant this giant prime time package which again would not normally have ohio state michigan i want to be clear about that but they said hey you're gonna be our prime time partner ohio state michigan and penn state were like wait a minute we have these historic tolerances where we don't play at night now some of it is like if you're the ad at

penn state and it's november 17th and there's a blizzard anybody ever been to Penn State? It's cow paths and one lane highway and it's... Oh no, I didn't know. I didn't know what all you were going to say was there at Penn State. I didn't know how far... It's a rural community

with a giant football stadium where people come from hours away. Happy birthday, Q Shipley. Happy birthday, Q ShipQ. Shipley. Happy birthday, A.Q. Shipley. Thank you. Happy birthday, A.Q. Shipley, Penn State royalty. Yes. And it's a wonderful place, but it's hard to get to.

So they basically were like, we don't want to play at night because we don't want the couple driving home to Altoona at 2 in the morning in a blizzard, which makes sense. So the Big Ten sold this deal to NBC, but didn't have its I's dotted and its T's crossed to have all these schools play at night. So now they're a little bit at loggerheads, and there's concessions being made, and they're basically scrambling to get the television deal done. And that's what's happening right now, and it's a matter of how much less the deal is going to be worth, Pat, because they may not have access to those marquee programs at those times. Can you see how cool you look in the top left, right behind the date there? I don't know,

you look so cool there. You look super sporty. We're talking business right now with the authority Pete Thamel for college football. So what is the potential outcome here? Because you said it, this all starts in September, right? And, you know, as somebody who has not been in billion-dollar negotiations with a network for a deal that starts in September, certainly large ones, though, there is like a certain time you'd like to have this done by

because then there's a bunch of shit you got to figure out even after the deal gets done. So do they have the deal done? They just don't have the contract done? And is there anything that could potentially change how the future of the Big Ten and Peacock look? So the deal done? They just don't have the contract done? And is there anything that could potentially change how the future of the Big Ten and Peacock look? So the deal is the deal was agreed to in

August, but the details aren't done. And that's what they're sort of hurrying through right now is how to get all these details ironed out, Pat. And there's there's just a bit of uncertainty that hovers over the league. Ultimately, it's going to cost the school some money, right? Now, one could argue if it's a $7 billion contract, maybe, you know, schools losing four or five million each isn't that much money. But if you're the dude at Indiana trying to balance the budget, five million bucks is a lot of money, right? I don't care who you are. You've got a cross-country team that needs uniforms. You've got to travel to different places. So there's a disconnect that the new commissioner, Tony Petitti, is trying to sort of put everything together on in a pretty short period of time.

Paisan Petitti will get it figured out. And obviously, deadlines create action. I assume they'll get it all figured out. But that was certainly something to read that from you. And I'm not an avid, like, long-form reader. But I'll tell you what, whenever you screenshot things and put them in a tweet size, you got me. Perfect. You got me.

I am 100% in there. And as soon as I started reading it, I'm like, this is a pretty big fucking deal. Because to your point about Indiana and some of these other schools, Rutgers, you think Rutgers just wants to hand over $4 million out of nowhere? Like, not saying Rutgers can't find that, but still, it's not as easy as a school like Michigan that can build a $500 million new whatever Ohio State that can round up $15 million at one event at A.J. Hawk's house. It's a little bit different in some places,

and I can't believe they're still kind of battling it out, which leads this to Ty's question from Iowa. Go Hawks. Go Hawks is right. Pete, did Kevin Warren kind of screw over the Big Ten then on his way out? Was he privy to all this stuff going on and kind of just dragged his feet a little bit? Like you mentioned, if all that stuff is supposed to go in effect in September and they're still working out the kinks, that kind of puts everyone in a precarious spot.

Did he screw them over intentionally? I think I would say that there were a lot of loose ends that weren't tied up. When the deal was announced about a year ago, I'm sure you guys remember, there was a lot of thunder, right? Historic this, and there was a lot of excitement in the league that we're going to be the biggest and the best. When Kevin Warren, I want to say he was up for the job late December, took the Bears job in January, actually left for it in April,

and these issues were all lingering. A lot of them emerged sort of in that time when he had already committed to go to the Bears. So there's just been sprinting slash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's good. Yeah, yeah. That's good.

So when are you guys going to be up there? bear down hell yeah i can do whatever you look what i just did that's a wild thing can't blame him no he's in the middle of a job transition as well but this is a massive deal how much money was it do we remember it was that publicly stated and did mbc bid the most is that how they won the big 10 rights here so mbc did not bid the most. And this is really deep in the weeds. But essentially, Fox slash the Big Ten Network actually owned all the rights through this decade. And the NBC deal and the CBS deal were sub licenses off that deal. So Fox in 2016 slash the Big Ten Network bought everything for, you know, a decade plus. And so for the remainder of this deal through the rest of the decade, Fox had actually owned it all.

And then they had to sub-license it out. But Kevin Warren, as Big Ten Commissioner, was sort of the front of those negotiations to do so. So it's sort of this complex web where the Big Ten didn't actually own the rights to the Big Ten content for the Big Ten TV deal. But the Big Ten was trying to get more deals? Yeah, so the Big Ten was the front of a negotiation to say, okay, we own all this content. We're going to slice off a third of it, just to use a round number, and sell it off to NBC for profit. And we're going to slice off morec for profit and we're going to slice off more of it and we're going to give that to cbs for profit and fox was like box fox had to

agree to that i i assume yeah so they were they were partners in the negotiation in a lot of ways so for example the the 40 million that you mentioned and this was a big point of contention pat was that kevin Kevin Warren said to NBC, hey, if you become our primetime partner, we'll give you the 2026 Big Ten title game. But he never asked Fox for permission to do that. And because he didn't ask Fox for permission, the schools got a bill that said,

hey, you need to pay whatever 40 million divided by 14 is back to Fox because they judged that the 2026 Big Ten title game is worth $40 million. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, you're just giving it away, huh? Sweet. We actually own it. And, yeah, you guys can go expand your business whenever our deal's up.

You want to kind of dabble a little bit with NBC, show them what the Big Ten's got? Okay. You want to dabble with CBS, kind of show what the Big Ten's about. Oh, yeah, cool. Hey, we're going to split these fees. We will definitely be a part of the negotiation. But you're just going to give away the championship?

Okay, that'll be $40 million back this way. We weren't good partners until you gave away a massive asset, which probably leads to the NBC thought they were getting Penn State, or I'm sorry, Ohio State, Michigan? No. Fox would never give that up. Ohio State Michigan, correct. So Fox still kept all the best games in the deal. And the CBS game that will become more prevalent,

and then the NBC game. So there's basically like three games every week, the top three games. Fox will most weeks have the A games. I don't want to be too rude. Deal shit, sounds like, right? No, I mean, the deal is massive, right? And it's still going to be massive,

and everybody's going to make a lot of money. But there's just, as they're barreling towards the finish here, there's some lingering issues, and people are upset. Sounds like Iowa, Minnesota is going to be on CBS. Oh my God. Who hates Iowa? We hate Iowa. That's going to be on NBC, dude. Fine by me.

I know Iowa does play Penn State in one of the night games before that's one of the showcase games, which is weird because it sounds like Penn State's bitching about it. No, just when weather's possible. I think it's November. It's late? I think it's a late one, yeah. Oh, like Penn State's bitching about it. No, just when snow, when weather's possible. Yeah, I think it's November. It's late? I think it's a late one, yeah.

Oh, so Penn State said, yeah. They caved. Uh-oh. We got to pay $40 million this week. We get how many million? That sounds like a deal to me. All right, Pete, let's move away from all the TV. What's going to go on?

Okay, let's just dive right into it. Big Ten is going to exist because Ohio State's right there. Yes. How you doing? Keep it moving. Now, Michigan's had their number. That's right. Michigan has had their number, haven't they?

So that is always going to exist. Penn State as well. We'll throw them in there. Happy birthday, AQ. Always going to exist. USC's coming. Yes, and UCLA, allegedly. SEC, always going to exist.

Always. And I don't want to just start rattling off all the schools for the reasons why the SEC will always exist. But the SEC will always exist. Everything else fucked, Pete? Is that what we're thinking? Or in the future, how do you see this thing kind of panning out

TV-wise, which ultimately leads to actual conference situations? Like Pac-12. They don't have a deal. That's where you come to ESPN, right? Yeah, I know. DeFox is going to be a tough one.

We got a couple months here, though. We got to use them. We got a couple months. We got to get through it. Let them rip, man. Let them rip. But is everybody else

in trouble? So everyone else is now, like, you can think of it as a nucleus, and everyone else is in the orbit of those two leagues. I think you said it very well. I think that the other three leagues

are now jockeying to get close to the Big Ten and the SEC, because for all the issues in the Big Ten's deal, it's still a large, large deal. And the SEC is still really well positioned in the future, although they're not up again for another contract until I believe 2032 or 2034. So there's a chance for a little bit of catch up to happen. Now, the Big 12 has been very aggressive in trying to grow to be league number three. The ACC is in a little bit of infighting right now because they have a deal through 2036 that the bell cows of that league, Clemson and Florida State, feel like they're falling behind. And they're basically saying, how can Mississippi State be making $30 million more?

How can South Carolina be making $30 million more a year or will be making $30 million more a year than Clemson, who's winning national titles left and right and has a, you know, even in a bad year, they're 10-2. So there's the inequities of the future have been laid bare by by this big 10 deal and then the the prior sec deal and there's a gap like i reference it pretty often pat is a power two there's a power two a gap there's those three and a gap now there are still programs outside those power two that can win the national title we agree clemson you just said one yeah yes clemson can do it west west virginia can do it no absolutely obviously west virginia will be able to do it you have no idea what they're doing in morgantown oh i actually do chase rice was there two nights ago told me the place was awesome oh wow hey i'm in your old stomping grounds where should i go well i haven't been

there in a while i assume high street he did he said it was fantastic so west virginia could probably go on and run if they want to win this whole thing. But other than them, who are you talking? Maybe Oregon? I mean, USC. Kansas State. Oklahoma. Texas.

I think Washington is in that conversation this year, especially Pat. Michael Penix. They're one of the best receivers in the country. I think Washington is a top seven team this year, right from jump. Okay. That's a long flight for game day, but can't wait to get up there. Nice. Have you ever been there? You must have played there in the league,

right? No, I only went to Seattle to go watch Herbie do the Thursday night this year. That's my first time up there. Okay. I think Seattle's one of the great cities in the world, and that environment where you've got the boats, it would be an opportunity for you to do another backflip, Pat. You've got the boats sailg would be an opportunity for you to do another backflip, Pat. Because you've got the boats sailgating right on the water there.

It's Washington. Yeah, Washington is one of the elite places to go see that. But the irony of the Pac-12 sort of in this moment of time with USC and UCLA going is this is the best season, top to bottom, of Pac-12 football going into the year and by 20 years doing this. I don't think there has been a better year of Pac-12. And they don't have a deal, right? And they don't have a TV deal? Correct. So they are searching for a TV deal.

Now, part of it is obviously... How much are they paying? How much will Pac-12 make with the uncertainty of what the future is of that entire conference? What will they make from a TV partner? What are they expecting to make? And how would that deal even look like? It would look like, hey, one year,

depending upon what the conference looks like next year. And then, like, how would, I wonder how that whole thing will go with them. So it's a great question. And really, like, the future of how the sport is comprised, and I'm not overstating this, hinges on whether the Pac-12 can get a reasonable TV deal. Because if they don't, you're going to see teams flee off.

You're going to see Colorado maybe chase back to the Big 12. You're going to see Arizona, Arizona State, Utah face some hard decisions. Oregon and Washington have already pretty much staked their claim that they want to go to the Big 10. So the Pac-12 is in a very tenuous moment right now. And the question you just asked, how much are they going to be able to get on the open market, Pat, is really something that the future of the entire landscape of the sport hinges on. So let's just throw the number 32 million out. That's basically what the Big 12 just got.

So the Big 12's new commissioner jumped in line. Their deal was going to be up in two years. And the Pac-12 is up this year. And they said, you know what? This environment is a little hectic. We're going to open up our rights and do a deal with ESPN and Fox. And they did that within the last six, eight months. So they're set through, I believe, at least a decade.

Now, the Pac-12 has an expiring deal. Yeah, Brett Yormark, he basically jumped the Pac-12 and put him in this spot. Now, as you know, right now, the digital media landscape is in a is in a time of uh of earnestness right this isn't like the go-go 90s this isn't the you know there is there's a little bit of an austerity factor here that the pac-12 is feeling headwinds from so nobody knows and the pac-12 commissioner isn't saying to anybody how much they're willing to spend or how much they are going to be able to command on the open market is apple going to be heavily involved amazon maybe be smart especially

on the west coast over there yeah that makes sense both west coast companies that's interesting earnest it is an earnest time isn't it very that means good right that means good earnest means like it's not the free spending times Like it's a Time of caution If you generally look at the marketplace And you don't look at those that have transcended The marketplace It's a time of a bit of

You know it's There's dot com booms And everything like that but stock prices and stuff Have made people a little more conservative On what they're going to go spend. Interesting. We pay attention to all that stuff. Connor has a question for you.

Yeah, Pete, speaking of things we pay attention to, during the draft, the big conversation was, hey, the guys this year are good, but next year, Drake May, Caleb Williams, they're bona fide number one, number two picks. Are there anybody else we should be kind of looking out for that might make a massive jump? You just mentioned Pennix up in Washington. Who else is kind of on the radar as one of those top guys this season in college football? So you drilled one and two. I think I'd be pretty

surprised, Connor, at this point if it's not Caleb Williams one and Drake May two. I will say this, the best talent in college football, and I've talked to scouts who say like, you know, guys who aren't prone to hyperbole who say Marvin Harrison jr. Is amongst the best players they have ever scouted. Remember his dad said, when you get there, you just do what I told you. Don't be listening. And he has certainly has worked out. What a player. Yeah, no, I mean, he is a transcendent guy.

He could be one of the rare skilled position guys outside of quarterback to win the Heisman. He could be a factor in the Heisman. I really feel like he's an exciting prospect. And I do think, and you guys have seen it because you study it close, that the way receivers have been handled in the draft have changed a lot in the last years. If you look at Chase and what

he did for Joe Burrow in Cincinnati and how he changed that whole franchise, people aren't afraid to pick a receiver third maybe anymore. Whereas I would say 10 years ago, that would have been taboo. Oh, we'll find somebody. We'll find somebody in free agency. So I think Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be a transcendent receiver prospect. Now, is he going to get picked up of a quarterback? Probably not, right? You still need those dudes spraying it around. But I really feel like Drake May is an exciting prospect. I think he'll push Caleb Williams.

I think there's a chance, we don't have anything decided, Pat, that you and I may see him week one, I would say, of the potential dance cards for game day. And as you know, Pat, they don't run these decisions by me. But South Carolina, North Carolina is one of those really exciting early games on the schedule. My book that's holding up my iPhone there just started to slip. So I wouldn't be surprised if we could go see old Drake May

hucking around in person the same way we saw when you were just hucking around. I can't wait. So is that where – I haven't even thought. I haven't even started brainstorming about. Yeah. Where will they – that would probably be the first one, huh? North Carolina, South Carolina? I certainly don't have the authority to say what will and what won't be

because I don't know. But I would say that if you had to list five Saturday games from that first day. So Florida State-LSU is the monster game from that weekend. But that game's on Sunday. So we're not obviously going to do a game day on a Sunday. But that Saturday, there's a couple exciting games. I think West Virginia-Penn State is one of those exciting games. There's a game in Nashville.

Happy Valley. You should do that. Nashville is hosting Tennessee-Virginia. I would think the good folks in Nashville would like a visit from Gambia. So anyway, there's a few different ones. Utah, Florida is that weekend, but I believe that game is on a Thursday. Coach Prime opens at TCU. Which he said he was going to change.

He did. He said, we're going to change that. We're going to try to get a little something. And they said, nope, no, no, this is how. This is the schedule. This is it. Coach Prime's schedule maker did not do Coach Prime any favors. You said West Virginia.

You were talking about Penn State. West Virginia, I mean, we're going to go undefeated, so that's sweet. And that's going to be a lot of fun. Maybe we'll get to pick a West Virginia game during game day a couple times. That'll be fun. That'd be cool. That is how, like, you know – That's where it starts.

That's how you can tell, like, if a team's back or not. If we're picking – it's kind of an indicator on how the year goes which games are being picked in there because there's some games that are on the list just a little behind the scenes here i've only been there uh like a full year pretty much plus a couple i guess in 2019 but the first couple weeks i missed this year there's games on there that we're picking that get for time. You know what I mean? So, like, it's not every single game that is on the rundown makes it into the picks. West Virginia's not even on the fucking rundown. Not one. Before the ones even get.

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's not good. Like, let's go. We got time now. Let's get on the rundown. They weren't chopping block teams? They didn't even put them on there before? What about the backyard brawl week three, Pat? That's going to be pretty good. Let's go. the run, Doc. They were in chopping block teams. They didn't even put them on there before. What about the backyard brawl week three, Pat?

That's going to be pretty. Let's go. Here we go. I mean, what's that on? Thursday or Saturday? No, Saturday. Oh! I think it's on a Saturday.

Boom. Okay. We got Penn State. Then we got Duquesne. That should be no problem. We're 2-0 going into the backyard brawl. We assume Pitt is as well. Game day is going to be there?

It might be. Here we go. It might be. Here we go. Now we're playing the game week three sounds like a blast last question for you here authority from digs yeah mr authority let's play some uh musical quarterbacks sam hartman goes up to notre dame the new the new starter there five star freshman who played a little bit last year for notre dame tyler buckner goes to alabama a lot of people were surprised by that Jalen Milrow was the guy who came in last year when when Bryce was hurt what's the quarterback situation looking like at Bama because I mean obviously the roster is good enough besides them to be national championship every year yeah so Bama's roster is very good but I will say this before I dive in the quarterback question they when they were running, like 2020 was one of the

great teams that I've ever covered. They had three first round picks at receiver. Right now, they don't have that caliber of talent. Again, we're talking like elite, elite Heisman winner guys, Henry Ruggs, like top 10 picks. They have not proven at those skill positions to have that caliber of talent in the last year or so. So I think their quarterback room needed help. The fact that Tommy Reese brought in Tyler Buckner would make me think he starts. Now, will he start week one? I don't know that. He has to come and he has to learn the offense. Remember, Nick Saban has a process, and that process doesn't involve grabbing a quarterback in May and sticking him in as a starter. So it's antithetical to kind of the deliberate nature of the way

that Nick Saban has built things at Alabama. So I really feel like that is, you know, that will be one of the biggest camp questions going forward. But, I mean, we saw Jalen Milrow last year against A&M. He's clearly not a natural thrower, right? So do they start with Milrow and then ease Buckner in? Obviously Simpson, the young quarterback from Tennessee, who's Dallas coach at UT Martin, was thought to be the best long-term quarterback there, but he clearly, if he was ready, Nick Saban would play him. You don't go get a quarterback

if you think someone in your room is ready. So, yeah, it's unsettled there, and if they are going to unlock the rest of the talent on that roster, they have to find an answer. Hey, there was a chance he was going to play, I think, during the season. Yeah. So the night before, I was doing some research on who he is, and they just showed us. I watched like a six-minute highlight on this guy.

I'm like, of course, Alabama has this guy just fucking sitting the bench right now. This guy's just sitting there. And then he gets in and throws a couple of picks, a couple of Aaron throws. It's like, all right, well, let's get an offense coordinator that, you know, wants to make this work. Last question here before we let the authority go. Do you use the word antithetical? Yes. Is that so like right now you're trying to do that shit? Or is that like is that everyday life?

You're dropping antithetical, like standard conversation. We're getting coffee. Yeah. Somebody asked a question about something antithetical potentially being used in conversation there. Yeah. When I'm changing my 15 months old diaper,

I say, Teddy, you kicking your legs is antithetical to me successfully getting this diaper change executed. What a legendary day out of you today, Pete. You said like 15 things that were just far beyond my education level.

Yes. You're the man. We appreciate you so much, pal. Hey, Pat. Appreciate you. Welcome aboard to you and everybody there. Hell yeah. We're lucky to be here. Oh! Have you talked to Saban about how pissed he was at Pollock for what Pollock said after the national championship? Where he said, hey, Saban Saban about how pissed he was at Pollock for what Pollock said after the national championship? Where he said, hey, Saban, sorry about it.

I think that'll do. Yeah, about Alabama no longer being the Kings. He didn't say that at all. I think he just gave a very standard breakdown of what the state of football. But the internet certainly ran with Pollock dunking on Saban. Has Saban taken it that way at all? Have you have any inside sources over there? I have not asked him that, but I think Saban is a pragan taken it that way at all? Have you have any inside sources over there? I have not asked him that,

but I think Saban is a pragmatist at his core, and I think that, yeah, that was on purpose. But Georgia has won the national title two years in a row, right? That's pretty good. And Georgia did so by beating Alabama, so I think Nick knows where the

goalposts have changed, and they're chasing him now. A person who's guided by more practical consideration than by ideals. What a spot on delivery of the word. That's saving. Hey, that is to a tease. I've always said that about him. Your dictionary guy goes like four-two. Yeah.

ZD Baby's got good hands out there. We appreciate you. That's light. Ladies and gentlemen, the authority, Pete Thamel. Thank you, buddy. Yeah, Pete! Antithetical, pragmatist. What was another one? He had a couple others.

Something else laid bare. His opening, the way he set up what he was going to say. Oh, it was beautiful. That's crazy. The guy's speaking out of a fucking news article. We all know this fucking guy. This is all work. What? You hear how he talks to us. He doesn't say a this fucking guy. This is all work. What?

I mean, you hear how he talks to us and how he talks. He doesn't say a word fucking correct in three days, but he can pick those words out of Pete's mouth and spell them perfectly into a computer and fucking pull them up. That's a fair point. Great point. Hold the phone. What we're talking about is a little inside baseball here at the office. ZD Baby will say the wrong word, you know, eight to nine times out of ten.

Yeah, usually. And just kind of just roll with it. I ain't defining them. Yeah, but that is the thing. You being able to pick what the word was, how it's potentially spelled, would kind of be antithetical to how you normally operate with words. Absolutely. You know, and that is something like,

I don't want you to get too emotional because I don't, you know, you should be a pragmatist in this whole thing. But that is not something, you're right, Tone, now that you pointed out, antithetical is not an easy. And there's no way Google suggestions

popping up to anti, anti in a Google suggestion. Maybe anti-ethical. Anti-trust. Man, anti-every, I mean, think of the Google suggestions. That could be, that AI is reading your cookies.

That one's trying to see what are we anti. You know what I mean? That's a two-word, two-thing. That ain't one. For him to, the whole. You're right, Diggs. Something is amiss, isn't it? I think my problem is brain to mouth.

ZD Baby, working the gimmick. Working the gimmick. Oh, he said his problem is brain to mouth, not brain to fingies. Oh, that makes sense. That's why I love food. ZD, you do an incredible job. You do an incredible job at what you do, pal. I'm happy that old Super Pete could figure that out from – he was in his office.

I didn't know he was going to be in his office there. Phone's sliding down there on the book. Relatable. Yeah, for sure. Certainly not relatable brain, though. No. Casual dress, though, which makes him more relatable. He's the authority

some big words i'll be some of those production meetings for college game day on friday you know and uh and i think those meetings were really where my thoughts on espn as a whole changed a bit mostly because like the humans in there like the workers that were in there trying to get shit done? Dogs. Peace. Absolute dog. Blue collar dogs. Hey, need this?

Boom. We'll go make it happen. Boom. We'll go make it happen. Does ESPN have the capability to do this? Get in with like the coach? Yes. Boom.

We'll go make it happen. It was a very cool experience in there getting to know the people that have been around ESPN a long time. Like those people have been at ESPN long before a lot of the people we see on ESPN. So it's like, I got to see kind of like, uh, I don't want to see like old school, but it did feel like old school ESPN. Like the people that I was kind of dealing with in there. And I think alongside a lot of people lost hope in ESPN as a whole.

I think a lot of people did, but then once I started getting in there and meeting some more people, I started being like, okay, okay you know it's still fucking espn yeah exactly you know it is still got what it got so i'm very thankful for the opportunity to be in those production meetings there was a lot of fight at the beginning for me going to those because i was gonna be missing the show here yeah right so like hey i do not want to go do that mental this i did not tell them this but mentally i was like i do not want to go do that Mentally, I did not tell them this But mentally I was like I do not want to go do this

Just put me on the fuck Tell me which way we need to go And then let's go We don't need to rehearse anything We don't need to go through anything I'm not good at that anyways That was my first thoughts whenever I got in there And then quickly I was like

I'm joining a new team They got like 30 Emmys They've been around a long time. Have to show my face. Boys can handle program. AJ can handle program. Even though it's my business, 13 employees, high stakes, literally a lot going on. No guaranteed audience any day, ever.

No lead-in audience, ever. One thing to piss people off and never get that. So not doing the show here on Fridayiday was a massive that was a massive struggle for me and some people might think that that isn't the right way to look at it it was and then once i realized like i had to go earn the trust of everybody at game day too it was a quick decision was like no i gotta fucking be there but i was thankful to be in there listening to pete damo in there though was certainly holy shit, this guy knows everybody. Eye-opening experience.

Yeah, because something will come up, hey, we're going to talk about this in this particular segment here, and then Pete would, well, I just chatted with the janitor that was in the building. They said that the toilet was actually clogged, which is why we saw them walking from one building to the other. It was not an actual protest of what they like just obviously that never happened yeah but that was the type of fucking information that was coming

out of pete so every time he would talk i'm like man you are a savior for me because i'm uh once i hear something it's pretty much locked in right forever now how's it going to be used when's it going to come out what is the thought behind it we'll certainly say the authority told me earlier that this was happening let me give credit but he was a weapon and it was like watching him work was very cool because as soon as he was out of that meeting he was on the phone with somebody and then he had another phone that was in an airpod so he's literally at all times we did we were at a dinner where he was at oh yeah he was not there no no not all. I couldn't even imagine what his life was like. The fact he stopped to do our show, I don't even know how he did it.

Yeah. Probably missed 55 calls. Think about how many schools there are. We talked to Rap Sheep, and then obviously Schefter's in that world. Tom Pelissero. Garofalo. Garofalo. Also Fowler, I think.

Fowler's in there. Fowler's in that world. Rossini. Rossini's in there. Whenever, you know, she just comes in and kills the game for like a month. Right. And then just kind of bounces out. They've got to deal with 32 teams with a lot of similar people in positions of power.

Yeah. You know, so a lot of those people probably have connections for a long time. College, it's like 130 schools. Yes. The new coach every single year. New players every single year. It's like he's building up relationships like at all times like uh which is the insider job so i'm very thankful

he came on sounds like there's a mess happening with that peacock deal with the big 10 though yeah i don't i mean i don't get that and then reading into it more and basically seeing that like kevin warren kind of saw all this stuff coming and i guess like like you mentioned like why not just be like oh you guys will figure it out well just agreeing to things too there's a lot of times in negotiation and uh i found this fascinating where like one conversation you're talking you're figuring it out one thing can be said and then you just you're you're bebopping through convo. And one of the parties can immediately have a different thought of like, oh, interesting. So we aren't getting that. So now we got to revisit that in a later conversation.

So to just be like, yeah, boom, like at all times, it's very easy in negotiations to be like, yeah, yeah. Cause you're staying high level. Let's just get a deal done. And then once we get in the weeds, we'll just kind of figure it all out. A human who helped me immensely in this entire process about like, don't, because negotiation's real. You know, like negotiation is negotiation. And negotiation can feel like you're just in a conversation.

And when you're in that conversation, you're in a full negotiation. And I don't know if people, everybody knows that. You're in a negotiation with the person that's paying. You're in a negotiation with the person that's paying. You're in a negotiation with the people around the person because if that person has a little bit of a positive thing, they're going to say something to that person. And that is full-on negotiation. Nick Khan, okay, formerly of CAA, who is now, I believe, the president of the WWE.

He was a fucking weapon for us through this entire process so that I could maintain having creative control. And so I could, you know, potentially make a little bit of a change in my, is it kosher to say things like this? I would ask Nick, Hey,

can I tell these people? I heard him say this, Nick. Okay. They said, well, with some compromises. Okay.

I kept the conversation flowing, got off the convo but nick i should certainly tell these people they don't fucking get it they can go fuck themselves and i ain't about certain compromises at all is that how this should normally go is that what you would do and then nick who's in the middle of a fucking negotiation with the wwe they just sell to endeavor for multiple billions of dollars, would text me back. And then every once in a while, I would get a text from a Vince McMahon. That would be like, hey, don't.

Right now is not the time. Not yet. And it's like that was a very, I was very fortunate for Nick Khan, very fortunate for Vince through this whole process. But like to get to the point where there's massive confusion on what the deal is like there's been so many convos that had to have got to this point where people were just like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because these happy conversations that are happy talking about what the future could be together and what it would cost and everything those are all happening in combo it's not like this is my number this is my number and then i'll see you next week like that's not how fucking negotiation goes now that's not how like concepts of the show go that's not how what the fucking games are going to be that you're actually going to be paying for like that all happens in a lot

of combos so since they're at the point now where it's like nah it's like that feels like there was some real fuckery going on big time and i would assume that there's a side of that negotiation that isn't exactly thrilled, and that would probably be Peacock. But I'm not going to speak for them. I'm not saying it. But to hear like Indiana, Illinois, no offense. No, but that is what I thought. I had forgotten about it.

Because like Ohio State, Michigan, in my head, as soon as I heard Big Ten's going to NBC, it's like, well, there's a home run. Yeah, genius. That's a massive sign. Penn State, like, well, there's a home run. Yeah, genius. Right. That's a massive sign. Penn State, Wisconsin, night game, or any of those. But the CBS ones, that's where people had been expecting to see, like, Alabama and Georgia play.

It was like the big SEC game. Yeah. And now. No offense to the Big Ten. The bottom of every conference has, you know, I don't want to say no name because they certainly are a good group of men out there. Yeah, right. And they're all trying to make it, and some teams could give it a go. My West Virginia team that I was very fortunate to be on was like that.

When we got primetime games, I don't think people were necessarily excited the first couple times where our name was on there, but then our team was electrifying, and that can certainly happen with some teams that are at the bottom of a conference. Now, we'd obviously go on to win four bowl games. Should have won a natty. That's on me. Pat White would go on to become one of the are at the bottom of a conference. Now, we'd obviously go on to win four bowl games. Should have won a natty. That's on me. Pat White would go on to become one of the greatest college football players of all time.

Steve Slayton, Owen Schmidt, the whole crew would do that, and that can happen. But if you're only getting the bottom third of the conference. Yeah, it's not good. That is not what I thought it was. No. In my head, it was like Peacock's got the Big Ten. ESPN's got the SEC. And then CBS maybe has Pac-12 and Big Ten or something like that.

Fox had the Big 12. Yeah, there it is. But that's not the case at all. Fox still has all the Big Ten. All the Big Ten big games. And then, yeah, I assume all the Big 12. Did we know that? I feel like I didn't know that.

I remember the CBS thing, but I forgot because even Big Ten fans would tell you. Some of the SEC games that you're getting that aren't great, there's still a chance that you're going to watch Ole Miss score 56 points on Saturday. If you get Northwestern and Illinois at 3.30 on Saturday on CBS. In a November? Like, cold. Rainy. Oh, my.

No one wants to fucking watch that. And there's a chance that that's going to happen. No offense. Both those teams could go on. Illinois, especially with the way they're playing football. Great school. They could go on. We're not.

We are just saying it's kind of an antiquated thought, I guess, on what it used to be. Yeah. So, please, insert any school in the big 10 at the bottom yeah that is playing against another big 10 school at the bottom in the middle of a miserable fucking midwestern day on national tv when it used to be something different but that's hey the next couple chapters of the college football are going to be very fascinating with it all players money leagues money' money, school money.

What if conference... I mean, there's so much shit. So with Pete, did it sound like Fox gets to pick their first game and then CBS picks the second game and then NBC picks the third game? Sounds like Big Ten said we would like to make more money off TV deals. We feel like now's a good time. This is what Warren said.

I'd assume before the Chicago Bears job was an option right i assume beforehand who knows if that affected any of it let's assume he was negotiating in good faith on behalf of the big 10 and for peacock the entire time but i think fox and the big 10 would then have to agree on which games go so i don't think it's like first for each week they can i think they they can just take they own the whole thing until 20, they can... I think they... They can just take out... They own the whole thing until 2026. They can say, these games are completely off the table.

We actually own it. You sold the right to ownership. So if you want to go into business together and make some more money and think we can sublease these things, I'm cool with that as well.

And if you're Fox, why would you give up... No chance. ...your marquee games? Week to week, I haven't seen it yet, but it says the Big Ten championship game will rotate.

In 2026? So Fox, CBS, and NBC over the seven-year duration of the agreement. Fox will get 2023, 25, 27, 29. CBS gets 24 and 28. NBC gets 2026. So the NBC one was the $40 million one? Is that what he said? He said 2026 Big Ten Championship?

Fascinating. Let's get to a break. Hour two will be on the other side. Pete Tham will put this tweet out and he got me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Perfect. He knows.

He knows. I'm going to look at the photo anyway. Any photo you post on there, if I'm interested in the tweet of the photo, I'm going to look around that fucking photo anyways. So if it's just words, cool. At least I'm getting a little direction. Yeah, fucking photo anyways. So if it's just words, cool. At least I'm getting a little direction. You're looking around it if it's just words too. Well, if it's a picture though, you're looking at...

Zooming in. Did you happen to see that one guy who got fired from his job or he quit his job and he was a graphic designer and he's been putting Bush's baked beans in every single graphic that he made? So he posted a bunch of them and he was just like hey good luck he got fired for that happy hunting no no he left before after leaving he made the announcement i will be you know stepping away

also there's bush beans in every single one of these graphics good luck finding it that's awesome yeah that's genius it is it's a little tag. Yeah. I like it. The old Bush's Bean graphic designer. They were tough to find. Took me about an hour. Those were always the best back of cereals. Oh, yeah. Yes.

The search. Mm-hmm. You know, Fruity Pebbles had a good one. Yeah. They had a really good one for a bit. Then they got too easy. Hey, too easy. They dumbed them.

All of them. All of them. Dumbed all of them down. Well, that's life. Yeah, everyone wants a winner. Says the cowboy. They'll say it, All of them. All of them. Dumbed all of them down. Well, that's life. Everyone wants a winner. Says the Cowboys. They'll say it, Tony. Let's get to a break.

A.J. Hawk will be on the other side. Ken went to hear his thoughts on the Big Ten being in absolute chaos right now with all the big games being okay because they're going to be on Fox. Right. So the ones that make money are going to be on one particular network. We did not know that. I did not know that. Plus, A.J., what's going on around the NFL?

I saw Bryce Young in his Carolina Panthers uniform. He looks sweet. He looks so cool, dude. Great uniform. There's a lot of that going on in the NFL right now, honestly. Yeah, a whole lot of nothing. Big Ben. Oh, yeah.

Boom. That's what we stick around for. Former teammate of AJ Hawk's brother, Ryan Hawk, who is the host of... The Learning Leaders Podcast. Which is a podcast that interviews executives and motivational human beings. Correct.

And he also beats the fuck out of Lake Tahoe at the same exact time every morning when he's in Lake Tahoe. He was my alarm clock at the American Century Championship because he would go into the lake behind our house and beat the fuck out of the water.

That's crazy. So loud that it literally woke me up. Yep. It was like a wave crashing every time his palm hit the water. That was a glassy air because of how calm it was. It was amazing.

I didn't get to talk to him. Legend. Absolute legend. Former teammate of Ben Roethlisberger. That's right. So AJ might have a little different thought about what's going on with Ben and Kenny Pickett. Ben didn't like Kenny Pickett to begin with. No.

That's the story. No, it's not. You know it's not. That is the story. Hey, we're going to ESPN. Well, that's a good tease, though. At the beginning, Ben hated Kenny. That's right.

That's true. That's just true. His words. That's not what he said. His words. That could be true, though. Yeah. If we were to leave it as that. That is a true statement. We'll talk about it. Ben hated

Kenny Pickett. Messed up. Might still hate him. Wow. Ah. Yeah. Not really. We gotta reel that in. Might still. Redact. We gotta redact that in. We got to redact that. Yeah, you can redact that one. That is not true.

Might still hate the idea of him being successful. That's not true either. That could be true. I said might. Oh, there's a possibility that deep down. Boom. Bingo. Yeah.

There is. That's because we're going to ESPN. I mean, well, yeah, we got to get acclimated. What are we talking about? Darryl Mushnick, he's not happy. No, he's never happy, though. Mushnick is not happy, dude. Fuck that guy.

Whoa. Jeez Louise. Obscenity Latin. I was going to say exactly. To that man. He was awesome. I enjoy, I'm starting to enjoy a pretty good amount. Full turn. It's going to keep going.

It's only going to grow. We have to accept that as well. I'm talking to me mostly, but all of us. We're about to be on every single television in the United States of America. There's going to be people that hate us. Ron Mushnick is not going to be happy.

Listen, Ronnie, his friends, there's a lot of people that don't even know that they not going to be happy Listen Ronnie His friends What? There's a lot of people that don't even know that they're going to hate us yet Oh boy We're going to have to get you set And right now our people hate us That's right So this is like a good warm up almost

But we just got to This is our lives now Yeah This is what it is This is good We worked our asses off to get to this stage That's right Amen

We wanted to get to this stage Absolutely Actually we did not. Would have been cool a couple stages lower. Yeah. But since we're here, fuck it. For every Phil Mushnick not being happy about it, there is, I mean, there were seven. Ron.

Ron. Ron, Phil, Jeff, whatever his fucking name is. I think it's Phil. Phil. Hell yeah. There's always the other side of it, which was there. It was a glowing, beautiful piece written about us in the Las Vegas Journal-Review. Hell yeah.

Thank you. Not to mention, there was another great piece that came out this weekend from Stone Cold Steve Austin. Oh, my God. Yeah, true. That was sweet to read. All right, let's get to a break. People have been very kind. People have been very rude, but I think that's our life now.

Yeah. Dana wrote about us into Las Vegas. I don't know. Dana does hate somebody in that. Remember? I don't know. The guy who wrote it said he watches every day and he's basically saying this might be the number one Golden Knights show on the internet.

That's the truth. He knows. Hell yeah. He knows. No doubt about it. Dude, we had fucking Stoner on. He scored. No big deal. We watched practice live. Tough week. They look good. Joining us now from an attic in Ohio is a guy who's a college football national champion,

a Super Bowl champion. He's a Ryder Cup winner, champion of Ohio. He's the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, one of the oldest franchises in the entire football world. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hall. Yeah, AJ! AJ, how you doing, Paul? I'm good. Good to see you. I'll tie it back from his suspension.

I didn't know he had such a good time during the suspension, though. Yeah, I'm kind of bummed about it, actually. I was hoping, like, gloom and doom, you know, because suspension's supposed to be not bad! You know what I mean? We should do in-office suspensions from now on, where he just has to sit in on a chair right there and watch us do the show. I spent a week in in-school suspension.

That's brutal. Because I wouldn't write an apology to the teacher. A weak teacher. The guy that ran in school was like, come on, can you just get you out of here? Come on. All you got to say. Apology for what? So I was sleeping in her class.

Fact. I do apologize for that. It happens in high school. Sorry. Okay. apologize for that. It happens in high school. Sorry. Okay. Sorry about it. Late nights, early mornings. Tables were facing each other.

Desks were facing each other. Love that. In the room, she walked down center. Okay. I'm kind of a third of the way, if you're looking at one of the rows from right to left. Sure. So, you know, like a third.

Yeah, you get it. Like nothing crazy. In the mix. you know, like a third. Yeah, you get it. Like nothing crazy in the mix. We watched a movie one day. She sat in the seat in front of me too deep, too deep, too deep, too deep, too deep, too deep, too deep. Sat in front of me. Movie comes on to left. I'm directly behind her. She's not going to be turning around looking at me. No way. I start snoozing. I apologize. Okay. I was dead asleep. Something happened. Some fuckery happened in the area in which I was sitting that made people laugh on the other side of the room. Teacher felt as if something was happening to her. Okay. So I get a woken up by a very pissed

off teacher who said that I was embarrassing her and that I was making funny things behind her and kicked me out and sent me down to in-school suspension. So imagine my surprise coming right out of that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell happened? I'm reeling at this point. You know what I mean? I'm literally, I'm in quite a mental place. Going to in-school, guy was the officer, the cop, literally my neighborhood growing up. I know him well. I knew him well. So he gets a call from her explaining the situation. He asked me my situation. Obviously, he does not believe me.

He thinks that I'm lying. So he says, I have to write up what happened and an apology, and that'll get you out of here or whatever. I said, cool. So I wrote up exactly what happened. I was dead ass asleep. When I woke up, I was taken back by getting kicked out of this class. So I wrote up exactly what happened. I was dead ass asleep. When I woke up, I was taken back by getting kicked out of this class out of nowhere. It was crazy. I am so sorry

that she was embarrassed and I will not fall asleep in class. Pat handed it to him. He said, she's not going to accept this. I'm like, well, I don't know. So he has to take it to her. She does not accept it. We're back again the next day. We're back again the next day we're back again the next day we're back again the next day never got it out of me that's why when people were like wow pat apologized to brett farve which our whole thing it's like you have no idea how deep this is like if i if i feel like i am in the right which is tough to deal with i I hate dealing with me too, but if I feel like I'm in the right, you're not going to get me to move. She passed away now. Miss Clancy found that out

that whole week. Never got her apology. Never. Remember they asked me to... Never mind. How did you resolve it though? How did you get back in class? Just the next week came and they were like, yeah, I can't hold you in here forever. I'm fucking back. I'm back in it.

It was crazy, dude. She and I had multiple run-ins, though. She was not the biggest fan. I would assume that's not your only run-in with someone like that, if she's demanding an apology. Like, if your story goes as you said, yeah, you were just sleeping. Well, I definitely was just sleeping. Yeah. 1,000%.

She got a little embarrassed, maybe. Not even offensive to her, though. She's not, like, lecturing. She's showing a movie. So if you fall asleep, it's not on her. I'm assuming... We went to one of the biggest asshole schools of all time. I think.

A lot of jag-offs. So many jag-offs. It's just... Everywhere. I do assume somebody potentially said something... A lot of jag-offs. ...or did something behind her back. Flipping her off behind her head and stuff like that.

I didn't find that out until day two of in-school, what she was mad about. What was it? I think something happened right behind her that made somebody laugh, but I took the fall for it. Fall guy. I did not apologize, though. Then, and I don't apologize now, I'm proud of us, guys.

Hell yeah. I'm proud of us. AJ, let's dive into some conversations here. Whenever you think about golf, do you think about it dominating a fucking weekend? Because I do. Did you watch all day yesterday? I got hooked. Now, granted, I got baby.

You know, wife got baby. We're all, have we figured it out? Baby still alive. We figured out dadding and momming. That's good news. But golf is so perfect to put on TV and watch all day and the boys were throwing darts aj oh it was it was awesome i got to see like it was early on i was kind of in and out and then the last uh seven eight holes i definitely got to dial in a little bit more but

man for brooks to kind of how he went through the whole all day sunday i mean i can imagine like each hole going on how he could start to envision winning that thing. Think how tough it is to hit some of those shots. He's so good. Even in 17 when there was a little bit or 18, 17 we'll say, 16, when he goes up two with one left or whatever, that little three-foot putt,

your brain can still... You know what I mean? Your brain can still... You rim that. All of a sudden, hold on now. It's one. And then we got one hole left. And then you're on the tee box immediately afterwards. And you're like, everything's been going good, right? But then it just, no, everything is good.

Everything's good. The rough is nine feet tall too. You know, if you hit it out of the fairway, you might be completely screwed too. I think that's why I enjoy following the whole thing. Because all it takes is one fuck up. Like Hovland putting that thing right into the side of the sand trap like connor's did on saturday like the exact same thing two pros shanking that shot in the same exact way and back to back that's that's a wild thing just blading it directly into the side of a sand you don't see that ever

then for it to be the exact same sand trap, exact same club, exact same outcome, back-to-back days, that's a beautiful moment there. And then I was paying attention to the official, the PGA official. Had to. Because it was a different official from yesterday. I didn't know if they all had their own holes. I think they have groups that they go around. I will be the

official for all of golf today. Any questions you have about any of the fuckery you would like to do to score better you have to ask me first so them putting the t down having no no closer to the hole with a driver they both said the same exact thing i thought that was good for the game of golf aj i thought that was very good for the game of golf because you get two different answers there holy shit now everybody's questioning everything it is but why is is Phil pissed? I know Phil talked afterwards and said, I'm going to continue to hold these people accountable.

What's he upset about? Well, he's won six. He's won six majors. Kepka's won five. So I think that might be what he's pissed at. Hot on his heels. You know what I mean? This guy's been golfing how long?

He's 33 years old. I'm 100 and I got six. This guy's already got five. He's absolutely balling. How would he do if he was in the Tiger Woods era? That's what Phil says, I assume. Joining us now is a man who knows Phil well, obviously knows the game of golf incredibly well,

has been one of the voices of golf for a very long time. We all knew whenever we heard that Irish accent that something electrifying was about to come out of a mouth and it was going to make us think, react, and normally say, hey, that dude's fucking hilarious. Ladies and gentlemen, David Farraday. Hey, fellas, how you doing? Hey, thank you for joining us.

Obviously, massive weekend for golf. Immediately following getting a chance to ask your thoughts about it. We are honored and blessed for that. Brooks Koepka could have potentially choked at any moment yesterday and just continued throttle down to get his fifth major. How impressive of a performance was that? And what were your thoughts while it was kind of all taking place? Well, I was on the edge of my seat, Pat. It was just, it was a fantastic thing for us to watch it live. You know, I mean, it sort of affirms what we're doing here. And, you know, we have some of the best players in the world. And after his disappointment at the Masters, I think all of us were on the edge of our seats, you know, watching, and you're right, you know, it could have gone pear-shaped at any point during that run. That golf course is so punishing.

One loose shot and, you know, it can all disappear. So he was really impressive. I heard Brooks talk afterwards about he learned from the mistakes he made at the Masters. What are some of those mistakes and how can you master them or get over them that quickly? Yeah, seems mental, right? Yeah, it's just, it's that six-inch gap between the years. at the Masters? What are some of those mistakes? And how can you, like, how can you master them or get over them that quickly? Yeah, it seems mental, right? Yeah, it's just, it's that six-inch gap between the ears. That's what it is.

And, you know, it boils down to, you know, not being afraid to miss. That's the key. You know, when you get tentative, it's a death wish when it comes to golf you've got to keep the pedal down and you know stay really positive and you know being positive is about being you know not afraid to miss

or not afraid to hit bad shots because if you are you know that creates an environment that you can play in you know if making it or missing it if you can make them both seem equal you know then you create that environment where you can either in, you know, if making it or missing it, if you can make them both seem equal, you know, then you create that environment where you can either make a putting stroke or make a full swing without wanting the ball back.

Staying positive, I think, comes from confidence. Just as somebody who, for a living, did something where you had to repeat an act that was pretty boring on a regular basis. People compare it to golf, but vastly different, different muscles, different brain, but having to repeat a motion and having a sweet spot be small, I think like your confidence is because of why you're in a good mood. Like one comes with the other, I think. And then success follows it immediately. It's amazing what your brain can do to it, especially if you're working hard. And we go back to brooks kepka on that drive to survive

or full tour full swing golf on netflix whenever we watch his episode he seemed broke man it was like this guy who we all have massive respect for loved the way he operated normally had a big old half a tin in a mouth normally always has smug looks, still looks awesome, a lot of deuces. The way he walks, he just oozes charisma, even though he doesn't even like talking to people much, it seems like. So we were very confused whenever we watched that episode on him, but then we also understood why he maybe took the deal to go to live. It made a little bit more sense.

It's like, hey, this guy feels as if he's never going to win a golf tournament again. That seems like what we're looking at. And then the live deal comes in and almost makes like sense from us looking back on it. What have you seen from Brooks since he has joined live? And what do you think live has kind of helped him with finding his form again? Because it felt like he was maybe broken there. was maybe broken there. Yeah, you know, he was very emotional after his win in Orlando and, you know, and his win in Jeddah. Also, you know, he wasn't sure at all whether he was going to make it back to the top of the pile after that really serious knee injury and a very complicated surgery and a long rehab. And he's an interesting guy. You know, he does have that sort of tough exterior. He's got that sort of gunfighter's walk, you know, about him, a swagger, you know, and

but he's kind of soft, you know, on the inside, you know, you could see he was close to tears. You know, it meant so much to him, especially after the disappointment at the Masters, You know, it meant so much to him, especially after the disappointment at the Masters. You know, to be able to come back and do this, it really was, you know, I think a crowning moment for him. Do you think it's like work or how do you think he got? Do you think he put work into his game? Like, what do you how do you get through that? Because everybody kind of goes through it, right?

I mean, Jordan Spieth was supposed to be the guy. Boom. Rory was supposed to be the guy. Boom. It was good to see him back, by the way. Yeah. Good to see Rory back. It has been great to see that. But all these guys were supposed to be the guys and rory was supposed to be the guy boom was good to see him back by the way yeah yeah good to see rory back it has been great to see that but all these guys were supposed to be the guys and then they kind of fall off feels like brooks was supposed to be one of those and then we watch that doc on him it's like this guy feels like he's what what is it you just got

to work through it do some guys never get well yeah i mean he he worked through it for sure but it's so hard these days you know to be at the top uh in golf the strength and depth um in the fields you know is just phenomenal you know and pretty much everyone that tees it up can win hell we saw a club pro yesterday michael block you know playing so well um it's uh but the strength and the depth of the fields you know there are so many new youngsters coming out. Victor Hovland is only 25. He is going to have a hell of a career.

I think that's got a lot to do with it. It's hard to stay. Tiger Woods was at the top 631 weeks. Greg Norman was like 330 weeks. We're not going to see that again, I don't think, because of that sort of talent that's been percolating up to the top that's a good song there scottie scheffler's been phenomenal to watch he started dancing a little bit yesterday that was good to see

he had a bad saturday by his standards and was one of the only seven people under par still like he is phenomenal yeah bland bland oh yeah very bland but he is bland white golfing i mean if you've ever seen it but his talent is so entertaining to watch he's doing stuff that you know just on such a consistent basis you don't expect and then you think about michael block just coming into the fucking program this weekend yeah tone has a question for you since you brought him up that was was the story of the weekend, I believe. Yeah, David. So I believe it was Friday. I can't remember what hole it was.

It was a par three, though, and he was playing well at this point, and then he just shanked one straight right. And I thought, like, any normal person or normal average golfer, not a professional golfer, obviously, that's all they think about the rest of the round in the next three months that they're playing golf. How does, like, in the professional professional world? Like if that happens, if a shank like that happens, like how, how does that play in your guys' mind and how impressive is it that like he

was able to overcome that? Yeah. You know, it's a, they say it's the closest thing to a perfect shot, which is a garbage. It's not. But we saw Dustin Johnson hit a shank on the seventh hole last week in Tulsa. I mean, a clean pipe that just went 60 yards right

and he came back and birdied the next two holes. So these guys are so mentally tough and it's easy for us not to hit a shank. Let's put it that way. You know, you make sure you hit it a little closer to the toe,

and we're talking millimeters at this level of the game. You know, the sweet spot in a golf club is real small, but, you know, they can move it around. Excuse me. It's okay. Happy to hear you're all right. I was bad on little allergies last week. I'm taking Claritin in the morning, Allegra at night.

I mean, it is. I'm trying to get all sides of this thing taken care of. All good. Don't you worry about coughing ever with us. We appreciate you having your conversation with us. Let's expand, though, on Michael Block. Because I feel like whenever I go to these courses that have a course pro, a PGA pro, they're on the driving range.

And if they're hitting the ball, it's phenomenal to watch. I mean, it's like they're hitting the driving range and if they're hitting the ball it's phenomenal to watch i mean it's like they're hitting everything out there and i always ask like hey why aren't you in like the why aren't you just winning and they talk about oh no this is a different level pros are different level pros are a different level michael block i guess has played in some tournaments he said that in one of his interviews while he's walking down uh the fairway he said he doesn't do as many instructional things anymore because he's been lucky enough to win some golf tournaments, so he doesn't have to grind for 90 minutes, 150 bucks, telling people, come out of the pocket, come out of the pocket,

and hit that thing solid. What do you think is different about him? He's got invited to next week's tournament as well. Do you think he has staying power with how he plays? It's really tough for a club pro to come out here, even if you don't teach much, even if you do play a lot. You know, the standard is so incredibly high on these professional tours. You know, Michael might play well this week at Colonial in Fort Worth.

You know, it's an interesting story, no matter what way you look at it. But it's very tough to play at that level one week in a row, never mind two. Yeah, I'm excited to see, like, what if he plays good? That'd be so sweet. Huh? Because he had it, too. He had the moxie.

Another hole in one. You know, on 18, with the three wood that he had been shaping, he goes in the middle of the people. So perfect for the story. And allegedly, they were filming the whole thing. Allegedly, they were filming the behind the scenes, the whole thing. Him having a hole in one, that's going to be a fantastic part of the story. But him hitting that shank on 18, then having to make the putt after the flop

to stay in top 15, knowing that that means he's in next year's tournament, which is a massive deal if you watched him operate at all. That's a huge deal for him. So him stepping over there and making, what if Michael Blocks fucking got it? He might. You know what I mean, Ty? What if this guy's got it and he just didn't know? He just needs a situation to pop up in his life for him to prove it.

What if Michael Blocks a guy? Crazier things have happened. You know, it is. You know, stranger things have happened. You it is you know stranger things have happened you know we've seen it more often on the champions tour and the senior tour where a guy's been a club pro his whole life and comes out all of a sudden you know find something you know to see it on the p on the pj tour you know would be uh well i mean that would be different for sure impossible sounds like you're saying impossible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, that Champions Tour. Champions Tour. Any chance of like somebody that never played professionally and at the age of 36 still can't really make a putt or do many good things around a green?

You think there's a chance of the Champions Tour being a level that that particular person who I am just making up fake human. Yeah, random. Fake human. Do you think there's a chance that person could get who I am just making up, fake human. Yeah, random. Fake human.

Do you think there's a chance that person could get on the Champions Tour at any point? Champions Tour at any point? Not a snowball's chance in hell. 20 years? 20 years? 20 years? That guy's got a lot.

20 years. Better start playing. Better start playing. Yeah, you better start. Better start practicing. No, that's for sure. But, you know, these guys have played their whole lives. Most of them, you know, I i mean you're talking about iron man you know like langer you know it's he's just uh you know i mean he's a freak of nature all right well that guy's gonna make it

yeah there's still a chance that guy's gonna make it and uh i can't wait to see it happen just like i can't thank you enough for joining us, sir. So hold on. So you're every live on CW. You are commentating? Yes, sir. Yeah. Okay.

What has been the reaction from you guys on the CW situation? Now, you're going to have to say probably positive things, which I assume it is. And on the back end, you know, we're rolling out a new product on a new home. But, like, that cutoff thing that happened, what was last last week like that was what you guys were hoping for right and then it gets like that's kind of what you're hoping happens on your program and then the cutoff is that just relationship building still like what are your thoughts on it all and how it's kind of gone i i think relationship building is the way they're putting you know the cw are real excited about the product. It's a new thing.

And a lot of the affiliates cut away. Very few of them will in the future. I think you'll see when you see golf at that standard, with that kind of an exciting finish, there was a bit of an uproar. Yeah, we were talking about it. It was DJ and Cam. Hey, we got what we... This is what we would want if we could.

And then all of a sudden, now you don't want Tree Hills on. That's right. Should have wrapped this up a little bit earlier. It's like sports are tough. Sports are tough. We appreciate you so much for joining us and hopefully we'll get a chance to chat with you soon.

It's a pleasure, guys. Anytime. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Dave Faraday. Yeah! That's the W deal. Yeah, guys. Anytime. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Dave Faraday. Yeah! That's the W deal. Yeah, that's tough. It has taken so long.

How many years? I don't know. It's taken some shots, though. Yes. I mean, you heard what he said, though. I don't see a lot of affiliates cutting away again. I assume they got a... You should have seen how toxic the reaction was over here

while that answer was being given. We all understand what was being implied by people that immediately think the same way these types of guys do. AJ, let's talk about another deal that we kind of misjudged. And you, as the champion of Ohio, which has the most important school in the Big Ten, I believe. I mean, Michigan obviously has had this school's number for a long time, but he's the actual reigning current champion of the school of the Big Ten.

Ryan Day said, and let there be light, and said, this is our champion. This is our voice. This is our face. Look at that face. It kind of looks like the trophy that we just gave him. That's because the trophy is a football and a baseball home plate. Greatest jawline in the history of sport. The representative of Ohio State.

Sounds like all of Ohio State's games are still on Fox and not on Peacock. Did you know this? Did you hear our conversation with Pete Thamel? It sounds like there's still a lot to figure out with the Big Ten TV deal. And as the champion of Ohio State, I would like to hear kind of if you knew that and maybe I was just out of the loop.

I didn't know it was official that all their games would be on Fox, but I assumed it would be. I would assume when all the rights deals were up, I know that's the biggest thing. Like the Ohio State-Michigan game, Fox obviously wants that. That's a huge part of the package. And then I didn't – yeah, I assumed they weren't going to be streaming the games on Peacock this year for Ohio State.

Maybe a few of them, though, I would assume, right? I think NBC has a game too. Yeah, they do. Yeah, NBC is getting big into the Big Ten now. Well, that's what we're saying. Getting all the scraps, though. I don't know because Fox owns the rights to these games. I didn't know that until 2026.

Does Fox sell them to sell one-offs or packages to NBC? They're subleasing some of them, yeah. Fox agreed to do that because the Big Ten, Commissioner Warren? Kevin. Kevin Warren. of them yeah fox agreed to do that because big 10 uh commissioner warren kevin kevin warren kevin warren what i guess he or the big 10 as a whole was like oh tv deals right now a lot of money going out we could potentially make more money off of this deal so i think they were the ones that had to pitch fox because fox owned the tv rights and then they start negotiating these deals and seemingly we do not know if this is the case or not,

seemingly Kevin Warren was like, yeah, good, good, good. Yeah, you got it. Sure. Boom. And then he goes to the Chicago Bears. Shout out, Bear Down. He goes down to the Chicago Bears. New Paisano, Tiny Petitti.

Petitti, yep. Tiny Petitti picks this thing up up and i guess there's a lot of loose ends that need to be figured out on who is actually going to be playing over there who can't play over there tolerances were brought up like can't play at night in happy valley november why snow you want to get out of there snow no way no night games can't do it and they got the prime time it's uh i guess there's a lot of shit to figure out over there. So Kevin Warren left a mess for everybody. He knew he was going to take off. He's like, yeah, here we go.

He just greenlit all this stuff that he did not have the authority to do. So you're a Big Ten alumni. That was your big takeaway. And Ty, Iowa Hawkeye, Big Ten alumni, that was his first thoughts as well. Immediately just beat them. Yeah, I mean, that would make sense. Because I don't think the Bears thing came out of nowhere, right? I think he probably had an inkling.

And then you also look back with the COVID year. Like, I don't think he had the greatest of relationships with ADs around the Big Ten because several of those guys were the ones who were like, hey, we— Is this General Bob's fault? Good point. It could be General Bob's fault, but he was. I mean, like, a bunch of the ADs came out and the coaches were like, no, we want to play. And Kevin Warren was kind of the one who said, you know, well, hold your horses here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Okay. There was a time where General Bob Carpenter sent out a bird call. Yes. And then they actually went to Chicago. Yeah. Outside of the office. Picketing.

Yeah. And said, we want football. Signs and everything. This one right here. Oh, yeah. What do we want? Football. said, we want football. This one right here. What do we want? Football. When do we want it? Now. What do we hate? COVID. Who do we hate?

Now. That's what they did. Justin Fields had that petition as well, that he got a bunch of people to sign to play football. General Bob Carpenter saved football. In doing so, he might have burned a bridge with Kevin Warren. Got a bunch of people to sign to play football. General Bob Carpenter saved football. He did, yes. But in doing so, he might have burned a bridge, huh, with Kevin Warren?

It's certainly possible. There might have been a little bit of a spite held on that particular, I guess. If everything that's being said is the way it is, I don't know how you get that figured out over the next couple months. Who's pissed? Who's pissed? Like certain teams that feel like, hey, we want some games on Big Fox. We don't want to be streaming everything or what?

I would assume Pete. Peacock. I would assume the other side that was like, whoa, whoa, I thought we were getting, I don't know. Pete didn't. There's only certain games they care about, obviously. So, yeah, we'll take some games. There's a handful that we really want.

Yeah, so anytime, and this is the quickest reference that just came, anytime we try to get a new guest on, we have to reach out to a booker. That's right. We have to earn the trust of the booker. So we have to take two, potentially three, motherfuckers that we would never, ever, ever want to talk to, ever, on the show before. Horse trading.

What's that, pal? Don't they call it horse trading? I see them as humans, but I mean, you'd be as disgusting as you are. I'm not using it, not for people, for games they say it too. It's like they're horse trading games. Hey, you owe us money. We'll give you this game here. We don't really care about it.

Whatever. It'll make you some money. There you go. You have that. We're taking this back. Yeah, they don't kill the game though. Yeah, well, the horse thing is certainly interesting at this stage of the game because I don't know if it's ever been spotlighted.

How'd the Preakness do? Did Rapsheet and them, did anything go down with the Preakness? Rapsheet didn't have one. But anyways, the point is we never take that guest. No. We say, fine. We are not doing that. So we burn bridges potentially with them.

But it is a part of the deal. Like, hey, you do a couple of these, give you this. A couple of these, give you this. With some of those Big Ten games, I assume they were like, we'll take a couple of these, but we need this. Okay? We'll take a couple of these. Need this.

And then all of a sudden they're like, this? Ain't? We only took a couple of these because of this. And now this. What? And now you're not giving us this? So now it's just a couple of these. Couple of these. You see.

Need this. Big time. Is that what's happening AJ? Ty, where is Iowa going to be playing? Where can we watch Iowa play? Peacock, for sure. Yeah, I mean, there's a good – they might – Look at us.

Now we've got to start judging. I don't want to do this. You think I want to start judging schools like this? I don't want to do this. That's what I was going to say earlier, though, is even if you are a Big Ten fan, Iowa versus Wisconsin, you don't want to watch that at 3 30 in the afternoon if that's the marquee game because there's a good chance that game's gonna be

14 to 10 or 10 to 7 or 17 to 10 all right not luke fickles wisconsin hey i can't wait to watch matt rules in the big 10 now yeah fickles in the big 10 now god he's it was all new all new conference what do you mean you forgot? Yep. I just somehow just slipped my mind. They got a transfer quarterback, too. Yeah, I was thinking Paul Crisp's still there. Hey, guess who's going to be good? Yeah, Wisconsin. Wisconsin's going to be good again, yeah.

I would assume anybody Fickle's coaching is going to be good. AJ, pretty good sound thought? Yep, makes sense. They always have a big, nasty offensive line. He will continue that. Finally have a quarterback. And the way he runs around on the defensive side in practice. His boys fired up.

I got a chance to watch him in practice. Boy, their defense is going to be good. I know that. Did he keep Jim Leonard or did he leave? Leonard's not there. That was an interesting decision he had to make there immediately upon arrival. They love this guy. The fans would like this guy to be the head coach.

So can you at least find a spot for him on staff? Fick was like, hey, hate to be the guy. You deserve to be somewhere else. That's day one, AJ. Now we've forgotten about it completely, which is kind of a sign of the times. Things come in waves, and then you completely forget about it later. What seems devastating, I guess you could take this to life,

what seems devastating at the time will be viewed vastly differently, who knows, a year from now, five months from now, one month from now. Something to remember whenever you're going through it. But at the time, it was like, Fickle's never going to win them over. A huge deal. Now, I don't think, probably everybody's just pumped fucking Fickle's there. Yeah, like legit, just hearing that, I was like, oh shit, you circle that Wisconsin game every year now again.

It's like that's going to be a fucking tough one. What if we're, I don't know how that'll work with game day. I guess ESPN's got it. ESPN is the only one not in the conversation. Yeah, I would just assume that you will not be at any Big Ten locations for game day, other than maybe when Michigan and Ohio State is. Yeah, every year they're there? I assume.

Yeah. I'm sure that game is locked up through 2030, right? For Fox? You think you're the guest picker again next year? I think I went 0 for 15 on my picks. Welcome to a Saturday in the fall. It's literally what I do every single week. You guys do it twice

a week. People remind me, though. Yeah, we get to do the NFL and college. So much positivity out of mine. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Picking games is an easy, fun thing to do, and no one ever holds you accountable. Bro, the game day thing is so epic

because I was a part of this on the internet, and now you just kind of got to sit there in the hot. You got to step in the batter's box. That's right. Every week. And you got to take it. Yeah. Boy, when they do the all one team and then the upset happens.

Herbie's very aware of the all. Yeah, he's been there. You know why? Because it is devastating. I can imagine. As somebody who enjoys shit talking, like you just gave a lot of people a lot of things to say about you as a group. And they're right.

Coastal Carolina. Oh, yeah. I called them the wrong name. That was week one of... What'd you call them? But it came full circle. No, so I pulled for Arkansas State because they were the Wolves. You remember, I wanted to howl. They asked me to make a couple picks.

They're like, who do you want to pick in this game? I'm like, I would like to howl, so I'm going to take the fucking Wolves. I know nothing about either team, but I get a good howling. Great howling. And then it literally launches Coastal Carolinas. Like, epic run there where they ended up playing BYU on a Thursday night, and all the mullets were super popular.

And they cut a promo against me. They did. And, boy, it was 100% warranted. They should thank you then. They should thank you for being the catalyst to their success. Yeah, not one thank you from any of those mullet fucks. All right? And you got to how?

They were an entertaining crew, though. They were sweet. They were a cool team. Great team. I enjoy that team a lot. College football, though. Tone just said it there. We don't really get to talk about it much, you know,

because we're an NFL program. This is the driest NFL desert we've been in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. I think for a couple years. It's this every year. Nah, because look what we're going off of right now. We're going off of Ben Roethlisberger talking about Kenny Pickett's

kind of development as a Pittsburgh Steeler in the early time of Kenny Pickett being the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. And what Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback for the last 16 years of the Pittsburgh Steelers, thought about it as it was unfolding. This is from the podcast Footballing with Ben Roethlisberger. It is an incredible podcast. Yeah. Ben Roethlisberger is so transparent about everything.

Has always been too transparent, potentially, at all costs. A lot of stuff. But when it comes to being a podcast host, it's an amazing thing. Oh, yeah. Crushed. This show is awesome. Ben Roethlisberger is a certified Hall of Famer. Ben Roethlisberger, in some people's eyes, greatest stealer of all time.

He is. So him doing a podcast and being so open is amazing. Here's him being very open about kenny pickett and his thoughts about it yeah i mean i'll be i'll be completely honest you know i'll be i'll be super transparent here i'm gonna get blasted i probably shouldn't say this he knows yeah who cares at this point um not him i wouldn't say that i wanted good basement yeah kenny didn't necessarily fail but like you know when someone comes to replace you you're like you know i feel i still feel like i had it like my homie doesn't come

like ball out because then it's like ben who right right but honestly i think it's as like as you started playing and and like i i found myself rooting more and more for you you know i'm saying like i mean we sat down here watch games and we were high-fiving going nuts when you were like leading the team and doing things, you know, and running and doing some of the trying to fight people, all that stuff. That was my favorite, by the way. Yeah. You better swing that.

Yeah. And so I feel bad. And I know I came on this show and said that – I forget how I said it, but I, like, apologized to you for not knowing how good he was going to be. Yeah. Like, I just didn't know. I had no idea. I didn't know that you were the runner, that you were.

I just didn't know what was going to happen. I wasn't aware. And I was pleasantly surprised. I'm glad that I was wrong in the sense of where I had you. I thought you would be a quarterback that was good, that was going to come in. I think you're the future of this team. I really do. And I think they got – the fans should be lucky. They are in. I think you're the future of this team. I really do. And I think they got, you know, the fans should be lucky.

They are lucky they got you. But that's what I'm going to say. I would say I was, early on, I didn't want them to succeed because I didn't want them, you know, they followed me up. I didn't want it to happen. I think that's probably the selfishness of me, and I feel bad for it. But as it went on, as the season went on, you got to, like, the third game playing, I was rooting for them. Yeah. I was excited for it. But as it went on, as the season went on, he got to like the third game playing, I was rooting for him.

Yeah. I was excited for you. And I wanted you to succeed. I wanted you to win the games. I wanted you to get to the playoffs. And so I feel bad that I felt that early on, but I'm glad that I transitioned into loving and rooting for you. Appreciate that.

I have your jersey I wear every Sunday. It's actually your jersey, but we taped plus one. I like that. I have your jersey I wear every Sunday. It's actually your jersey, but we taped plus one. I like that. It's been fun watching. I enjoy texting you after games. It's been fun watching, man. I'm a fan. I appreciate that, man.

That means a lot. Hell yeah. Hey, that was a cool answer from Ben Roethlisberger. Because remember, everybody just assumes that this is a movie and that humans aren't involved and the humans don't have feelings and emotions and egos and pride and everything like that so the fact that ben roethlisberger who hall of famer certified hall of famer comes out and says like yeah I'm going to be honest I'm passing now so I guess I can say this yeah I fucking hate it you know

I'm not going to say I wanted you to fail kind of though, I mean certainly you know if you kind of read through the tea leaves I appreciate Ben doing this AJ and I like the fact that he was like comfortable in his own skin enough to fucking say it and I like the fact that Kenny Pickett has somebody, seemingly, that he can call all the time about everything that he could potentially experience

as the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, AJ. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty cool to see Ben kind of go through his thoughts on the whole thing with Kenny coming in there. And Kenny didn't come in like, Kenny didn't push him out, didn't replace him like that. It wasn't that situation. Ben was retired, boom, Kenny comes in. But I've heard Michael Irvin say something about this in an interview years ago.

He said something, yeah, when I was – when I, like, retired, I was done with the Cowboys. I wanted them to do terrible. I wanted them to think, like, no, you need me. Like, I'm the guy. And then he said, like, he quickly snapped out of it. I mean, it's your buddies on the team, it's your friends are coaching the team and all of that stuff.

But, yeah, it's – I don't know. That's probably somewhat human nature, isn't it, to think, it to think like oh no they need me like that team needs me like so if they do bad you might not be cheering for him but you might be okay with it the colts after i retired obviously much different conversation than quarterback of the pittsburgh steelers but when i retired the colts signed this guy he was uh his name was jeff probably a good guy i don't know they uh maybe he got a press conference. They gave a press conference to this guy. I never had a press conference ever except for when I won

the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award for them and the salute to service thing. I never did any media ever really, which is an interesting thing but I was never really asked to either. This dude did a full press conference and talked about how he never saw my film really because he was in the NFC and I was in the AFC. He doesn't really know much about me. either this dude did a full press conference and talked about how like he never saw my film really

you know because he was in the nfc and i was in the afc doesn't really know much about me and my immediate thought was like fuck this guy dude what is it who's this guy what is it you know they're paying him a lot of money too he's getting paid a good amount of money i believe so i wanted to go meet him you know i wanted to go like shake his hand right and he either got hurt or something happened he wasn't at the building but i met rigoberto sanchez who was brought in from hawaii undrafted and i got to talk to him and i got to meet him and i got to like tell him some things like hey you should be thinking this right now right boom yeah you should be thinking this right now boom right yeah you should be saying

this right now like even if he didn't listen he was like seemingly engaged in a conversation and i left there and i was like i want this motherfucker to succeed like i i want this guy to do so well because just how humble he was how hard working he was and i was like why was i ever hating on anybody somebody was gonna punt for the colts yeah somebody was gonna somebody was gonna have to kick balls for the colts. And I bet Ben kind of realized the same thing. Like, hey, somebody is going to be taking snaps for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Has to. Can't just hate everybody for the rest of your fucking life, you know?

It is an interesting thing. It is kind of an arc. And even guys, I would assume, I don't know, how did you exit Green Bay? Was that contract? I got cut after my ninth year there. I had one year left. Jeez. I knew it was coming.

There was no fuck you in you there, huh? None? Definitely not. No, I was kind of sad I got cut. I wanted to be around. I wanted to stay there for my 10th year. I knew it was coming. I knew how everything was working out.

I was like, yeah, my time is up. No question. What does that mean? I knew I was going to get cut after the season. Why? Because the humans? Because the way you played? Just because my contract, how I was being played, all of that stuff. It just felt like the time was here. No question.

Good handshake whenever it was told, or did you get your fob turned off? No, it was in the offseason, so it was a phone call. I was actually stuck on the Ohio State Buckeye cruise. I just had surgery on my foot. I was in a boot. And the boat got stuck. The Packers actually did me a favor. We got stuck at sea for like two or three days.

Urban was on that boat. It was made news because Urban needed to be home to recruit. And we told him, hey, man, can you announce it when we get off the boat? I don't want to. There's 2,500 people here. I knew it was going to happen. Let's just wait until we get home to let it happen. So then they did a couple days later. Okay, well that's very kind of them. And also,

did Urban also say on that boat, there's this guy Jerry Burrow, he can't fucking hit a side of a barn. He's a bomb. What are you? This guy's out of Ohio. He thinks he's, you know Ohio State quality. It's not your fault. It's mine.

I recruited you here. I should have. What happened? Did you see these rumors around the internet? How can one guy be so wrong about everything? I don't. There's no way this is true. I did not see this.

There's no way this is true. This is. I hope not. I will say the original source of this is tried and true. Yep. What do you mean? Frank the Tank. Yeah.

Sports encyclopedia. Tried and true. Yeah. He has boots on the ground, people everywhere. He is not putting out false information. We're talking everything for a long time. Yeah. Checks and balances with everything.

Sources. So this is where this rumor came from. Allegedly, Urban Meyer, though, didn't think Joey Burrow was worth a damn. Hey, Jay, what does this guy's deal? You're out of boats with him stuck at sea. You do little Q&As with him at his... His chop house. His chop house down there?

That's never happened. That's never happened. You did a Q&A on dance floor at his chop house. You know it. We know it. Say it. There's photos. Never been to that chop house where the incident happened, by the way.

There's two of them. I've only been to the one closer to me. So did Joey Burrow tell this story to somebody? Did Urban Meyer openly say this to Joey Burrow? How did we find out about this just now? Yeah. And there's no way Urban was like, come on. I mean, I had a couple drinks one night.

I'm talking shit. He's joking around. What do we not know about this guy? What do I not know? Could it have been like a throwaway during a film session where he threw one bad ball in practice and he said that? Yeah, it could have been said by Urban Meyer, but I feel like everything I hear about him,

I think, this guy's a big, dumb doofus. Yeah. But there's no way that can be true. There's no way. He has to be a good coach or something. He's had so much success. Yes. And then you,

you listen to him on big noon kickoff. Like ball feels like it is a second nature. He's had the respect of a lot of people like in locker rooms, all different types of people. Oh yeah. We're talking about opposite ends of the spec murder. Oh yeah. Given circumcisions.

Yeah. Like that's right. That's touching. That is opposite ends. You are correct. Right? That would be completely opposite ends of the spectrum. That is correct.

Able to reach and motivate everybody and always. How, why, what do you know about him that I don't, AJ? Honestly, because, like, this stuff gets out there. I don't know, man. And it's like. Yeah, I don't know. I would like to hear what Urban would say if someone asked him about this. I would imagine he would deny it.

Don't you think? Of course, I wouldn't say that. I would hope. I live by three things. He's made about this. I would imagine he would deny it. Don't you think? I of course didn't say that. I live by three things. He's made three things. Isn't he big? Well, this one, one, stay off the dance floor. You know that, stay at the bar, stay at the pub. Need to be by the restaurant, not at the dance floor.

Two, whenever people are talking about Joey Burrow, remember he is a bitch-made cat. This guy cannot do anything, cannot hit the side of the barn. And three, I'm'm just gonna go do tv because it seems like coaching's a little bit tougher than i thought it was gonna be well and i think that's the big knock right is like he he was a great recruiter but when you go to a place where like in the nfl you can't just like openly recruit all the best players and have all these resources and you actually have to know how to coach and know x's and o's and then same same deal, you can't treat guys in the NFL who are adults

and have kids and are making a shitload of money, you can't treat them like an 18-year-old kid who's on scholarship who owes his entire life to you. It completely ruined his entire big-time, smart, best coach aura. For sure. In the quotes. All those quotes don't get out though if he's still just remembered as

great college football coach. Don't you think, AJ? No question. Because he does so miserably and the way it goes is so publicly terrible. It's like all this stuff now festers forever. Or even if he was known as a good guy. But now, after everything that's happened,

people are actually on top of this stuff. No, he didn't. But the perception is that he's kind of a prick, right? Well, there's kind of pictures, so he couldn't. Well, I'm not even. There's a pretty big article. But he never played Joe. Which we are allowed to talk about, just to let everybody know.

Okay. But we'll wait until actual. Yeah. But big. In due time. Sports Illustrated stepped right into the batter's box. Oh, yeah. They did.

Didn't they? Oh, yeah. What's going on? Oh. Excuse me. We'll do it. Take a little hack. Longer, deeper.

30-page investigative report. We'll do a whole thing. We'll assign five, six different people actually to this. We don't care. Good luck. It's like, damn. And the stuff they were saying, that was really. It does not look good. It was wild. We're not saying anything. No, no, no. The kind of stuff they were saying, that was really... It does not look good.

It was wild. We're not saying anything. No, no, no. We haven't even said what it's about. No, but there's a chance people know. Yeah. You can draw conclusions. If you can connect the dots...

Do you know? You're in another state. You know. I know. I believe I know who it's about. You know what we're saying then, right? Yeah, a little bit. It was... That's a super long article, isn't it? Super long. Yeah, you do know. It's a report saying then, right? Yeah. A little bit. That's a super

long article, isn't it? Super long. Yeah, you do that. I saw a little bit. He's in a different state. Not a lot of pictures. No. A lot of words. Which matter. They do. Words. And the way they're spelled. Because they cast spells. Let's talk about some other stuff going on.

That was a long article, though. Yes, it was. You know what I mean? Crazy. Do articles cast spells or just like the words? It's a bunch of fucking spells. It's a melting pot of spells. It's all of them.

It's a spell book. And that one was a deep pot of spells. Oh, yeah. Are there good spells? Of course. Oh, I thought a spell was always bad now i can make you fly or dude you don't don't be scared to hypnotize everyone's seen harry potter have you been hypnotized for real me nah yeah i've seen others though that

allegedly have gotten i've been in a room you think it's possible you think it's possible to get hypnotized i've been in a room with people i respect who have gotten hypnotized and they promised me that it wasn't a setup so you know what i mean i'd like to try it i think it'd. I think it'd be cool. I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance you could do that. Until you forget everything. Yeah, and you're balking like a chicken. Yeah, Zeke's been hypnotized, allegedly.

What happened? Did they take advantage of you, Zeke? Kind of. Now he doesn't know how to read. He can still read better than he lets us know, we found out in the first hour. Because he was searching for Pete's. Pete Family used the word antithetical and pragmatist.

Just standard. Casual. And Zito just spelled them correctly. No ding at the end or anything. Spelled it completely out. Had to search within four seconds up on there. But Zito grew up in a spanish-speaking house all his friends spoke english in chicago so he was mixing together the languages so much that

neither party could fucking understand him so they uh they got him hypnotized so he can understand spanish he cannot speak spanish anymore allegedly is the story is that right to forget the language of spanish yes so I wasn't confusing them together making Spanglish. Yeah, and nobody could understand. So the outside world were like, excuse me, Mrs. Perez, we would love to be

able to hang out with your kid more, but he is literally not speaking our language. He is trying to as well. And they were like, in Spanish through a translator, funny you say that, because we can't understand a thing he's saying either. It's crazy. well and they were like in spanish through a translator funny you say that because we can't understand a thing he's saying either it's crazy and then they're like let's fucking fix this guy and they hypnotized him aj that's what happened how old were you how old were you i would say probably kindergarten preschool kindergarten when you got hypnotized yeah

is that is that a thing is that legal? Where did this happen? I have a kindergartner. I have a kindergartner right now, bud. I mean, maybe I should get Axel hypnotized. Maybe he'll behave. Not a bad idea. That'd be great. Love veggies. You're five or six years old and getting hypnotized by somebody?

Who is this creep? Well, it's a kid hypnotist, dude. You should see it. Oh, like the Nickelodeon guys. Hey, they were saying some terrible things about this program and me as a whole. Who? You know who. Nickelodeon?

Yeah. No, no, no. What? No, no, no. People that hypnotize people? No. I don't know how we're perceived in the hypnotized community. I think good.

I think, yeah. We're loved in the Amish community. We don't have a letter. Handwritten, obviously. Oh, really? Yeah. They listen. Shout out't have a letter. Handwritten, obviously. Oh, really? Yeah. They listen. Shout out to Jason.

I'm not going to say a stereotypical Amish name right now. Steve. Is that a stereotypical Amish? What one were you going to say, though? Which one were you going to say? I was going to say Jeremiah. It might be Jason Jeremiah. I'm not 100% sure who they wrote.

They wrote a handwritten letter, and then they gave us two bottles of wine called Rum Spring of Wine. So when they go on Rum Spring, I guess the Amish community has taken advantage of, hey, here's your booze, actually. You go on and use this. Rip it. They sent two bottles. Jeremy and Aaron.

Ugh, yikes. Jeremy, you have the J. Wow. They're in Indiana Jeremiah is Jeremy Probably That's like the cool way Of saying Jeremiah Exactly

Had it My name's Jeremiah You can call me Jeremy Okay That makes sense And Aaron We just Aaron Hey Pat and the boys

We're from Central Ohio Ohio fucks here And we live And work Among the Amish Aaron who is also Writing this letter Is here. And we live and work among the Amish. Aaron, who is also writing this letter, is Amish. And we both enjoy what you guys do. We saw your segment on the Amish at Topgolf.

And we wanted to send you a little bit of the Rum Springer experience from Central Ohio. Keep up the good work. Go, Brines, Jeremy, and Aaron. And then they're a construction company. I almost said obviously. Don't need to do that either. Don't need to, you know what I mean? Exactly.

We knew it. But shout out to Jeremy and Aaron sending us some Amish booze. And for Amish people watching this program, that truly means that we have a pretty good demo. You know what I mean? We reach all walks of life. People that don't believe in electricity

watch our program on the internet. Exactly. Hell yeah, we did it, boys. That's big. A lot of people talking shit. They don't know that, though. No, they don't believe in electricity watch our program on the internet. Exactly. Hell yeah, we did it, boys. A lot of people talking shit. They don't know that, though. No, they don't. Got a fucking Amish demo, dude. Shout out to Jeremiah and Aaron.

Well, who was talking shit? The great American escape artists? No, I was going to say we're actually very big in the magic slash magician community as well because I think the American escape hero is... I think he posted the video from his thing. Let's go. I think he was offended by

Mad Mel Kiper. Now that I think about it, that might have been what got you suspended for that bachelor party. The way you interpreted Mad Mel Kiper reacting to America's great escape hero Michael Malone. Michael Griffin. Interpreted Mad Mel Kiper reacting to America's Great Escape Hero, Michael Malone.

Michael Griffin. Griffin. Right. He was a dog. He was a dog. And you chose not to show any respect at all for the dog, and I think that is why you potentially were suspended for that bachelor party. I wasn't being disrespectful. You are.

He couldn't hear you then. He could hear you afterwards. He said, I could hear him. You know, when you go, this guy sucks. I did not say that. In the middle of it. AJ, what did he say? Do you remember?

He said something about AQ should body slam the guy. He said AQ and Pac-Man should have chokeslammed him through the table. And then, yes, at the very end, I said his fucking rope was gimmicked. Pac-Man and AQ just got tricked right in front of the ring. How did that happen? I'm still trying to figure out the needles being pulled from his mouth. He did it. I've seen that done before by other people.

No, you haven't. How? Oh, haven't you lived such a privileged life? I mean, what's this on one of these? No, I've seen magician guys. Yeah, I've seen a magician guy do that. On the Ohio State cult cruise, do you guys do magicians and magic? There is a guy that goes around the boat doing stuff. He doesn't that he's not as advanced i don't think yeah wexy's house they

had a party one time and they were doing that you all just walk right to the basement they made everyone disappear yep that happened actually amongst other things what's that tahoe matt the magician matt firman great magician he's about in tahoe every year they bring him out john dornbos incredible magician yeah dornbos. He does a lot of that. Incredible magician. Yeah, Dornbos does that, I bet. I bet he can pull nails out of his stomach. I'm betting he can. I think that's a different.

Yeah. That's killed people. You know, the great American escape hero. He did say that. Michael Malone did say. Michael Griffin did say. We had the greatest magician of all time, I believe a lot of people said, on the. Carl Magic.

Carl Magic. Thank you. Who? Carl Magic. Carl Magic. Myrtle Beach. Yeah. Did you stop by there? Carl Magic. Carl Magic. Myrtle Beach. Yeah. Did you stop by there? Oh, shit.

I should have looked for him. Oh, my God. You did miss the boat. Wow. What a miss. Seriously. Hey, he said Myrtle Beach looks different right now. I don't like that.

I don't. What's it look like? I don't know. Myrtle Beach is a white trash here like heaven. It's paradise. I love that place. Sounds amazing. You can drive there from Ohio. Yeah. It's great. I love that place. Sounds amazing. You can drive there from Ohio, yeah.

It's great. I know. Easy. I love Myrtle Beach. It is a hilarious place where it seems like everybody has this. It's St. Patrick's Day every day in Myrtle Beach. So cool. And then there's also golf.

I guess great golfing down there now as well. Golfing down there. I mean, it is. He said COVID might shut some stuff down. Yeah, and it was like the weather was uncharacteristically bad for that time of the year. So I think that may have had something to do with it. Yeah, just, you know, it wasn't bustling like I thought it was going to be bustling.

What's earlier in the season, too? It is. It is. You're one of the first weekends down there. It's not even summer yet. Summer's next weekend. Hey, Myrtle Beach still got the fastball. Good visit. Keep it going, Myrtle Beach still got the fastball. Go visit.

Keep it going, Myrtle. Just know you're not signing up for super quiet, relaxing. No, absolutely not. You're having a good time down there, Myrtle, AJ. Ripping it. It's adult spring break, I feel like. You ever got a singer or frogs down there? I never have.

I have been, though. I've been to other ones. There was a time where I was going down there so consistently, I'd have. I have been, though. I've been to other ones. There was a time where I was going down there so consistently, I'd say, where I knew the staff at Senior Frogs. Sweet. So, like, I'd walk in for a weekend, you know, and they're like, here, we know what's happening this weekend. Here we go.

150 shots. Got it. All right, team meeting. Yep. So I'd walk in there and call a team meeting. And it was like four or five years straight. They were like, asshole's back. This guy's back. Let's have a good time.

So much fun, dude. Need to get back down there. That's why the Coastal Carolina boys hate me so much. Quite a shot. Right there. All because I just wanted to howl. You don't know how to shot to clear. Kept picking them. Oh, no.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What's going on? Yes. How about it? Nailed it. All right, let's get to a break. There'll be a giveaway moment later in the show. Banks open.

Hey, a lot of golf shots this morning. What do you mean? So it's like the first morning I've been able to get back into the office, you know? Baby at a point where kind of consistent schedule, wife kicking ass, able to get in here. Took a couple of hacks at the golf sim this morning. Got to get ready for Tahoe. Good. I think I'm doing okay.

Coming out of the pocket. Consistent. Michael Block has given me a lot of inspiration. Not because I think I could go win or play, but his swing and the ball that he hits, he hits just a dart. Gorgeous. Like just a low little stinger pretty much with everything. And it's like, you can play like that.

Oh, yeah. And that's like my most consistent shot. So why am I not just fucking doing that? Just do it. So I'm trying to get that figured out. Now, golf is terrible and incredibly difficult and miserable, and I'll probably have a brand-new swing thought next week. But right now, that's my thought,

and I just need to get it dialed in, AJ, for Tahoe, for Tahoe. Good. I think he does give hope to a lot of people. I hope he plays well this week. What is it? Charles Schwab, Invitational, whatever they call it. It's a big tournament, right? So I think there's a chance he can't hit all the shots.

Like, that would be the only thing because if not it seems like he has the mentality to be able to handle it that one when you're fucking 18th hole you got to go up and down from a miserable spot with a thousands of people standing right around you like i guess people could say there's a more pressure-packed area in your life i i don't know what it would be. Him being able to pull that off, it's like, yo, he's got it, right? It seems like he's got the mentality. He should have gained a ton of confidence through that tournament, no question. But, yeah, then I guess to continue to do it over and over and over and over again,

that's the toughest part. Seems like he's living his best life. I'm happy for him, Michael Block. What did Matt Brown say? Bruce Brown? He says that he doesn't. What, are you going to get him on the show tomorrow just so he can start crying again with everything he says? Shoot 15 over.

Bruce. Let's not. Bruce is a pig. Come on. He doesn't have a chance in hell. I'm the biggest Blocky fan in here. No, you're not. Oh, God.

Straight out of the toxic table playbook. Come on. I love the man. That's what you did. Thank you for that question. Thank you for making me cry with thatbook. Come on. I love the man. That's what you did. Thank you for that question. Thank you for making me cry with that question. His kid. It was a message from his kid.

Said it was the best day of his life, too. Who couldn't be there. Jesus. Pig. Come on. Postal elitist. Yeah. Which we're becoming.

So I hope you guys are happy. That's what we are now. Yeah, you're right. That. That. I hate that. That's what you are. Nope. Congratulations, sell're right. That. I hate that. That's what you are. Nope.

Congratulations, sellout. Sellout. Bam. I thought I was going two for two there. That was sweet. Was Bruce still swinging the same? No, he's actually a pretty good gopher. Yeah, he's swinging like Jim Sherrick now.

Sweet. Ooh. Got it. Get right. Get right. I'm done. Let's geterick now. Sweet. Ooh. Got it. Get right. Get right. I'm done with it. Let's get to a break. Okay.

Let's get better vibes. Okay. Hell yeah. Can't believe we let Bruce Brown's coastal elitist mindset drift its way in here for him to what? Piss all over to Michael Black. I actually think I fucking hate him. Who, Bruce?

Yeah. Who? You hate Bruce? Why? Yeah. Why? No more Bruce. For what just happened You hate Bruce? Why? Yeah. Why? No more Bruce. For what just happened.

For that right there? Yeah. That's the only thing that you needed? Yep. Wow. I don't know if I hate Bruce. I certainly hate what he said there, though. Yeah, absolutely.

I don't like his feelings. Bruce, hope you're happy about it, too. Also, a guy in the horse community? Wow. Maybe don't let that kind of ooze in. Yeah, not just in the horse community. All right. AJ, have you heard about this horse stuff?

No. Honestly, what? Look it up. Don't look it up, actually. But just know there's a lot going on. On the track, in the horse community. All right. AJ, have you heard about this horse stuff? No. Honestly, what? Look it up. Don't look it up, actually. But just know there's a lot going on. On the track, in the middle of the race, fucking sniper from the top row. I don't know if that's true. Horse was still running.

I don't know if that's true. This horse stuff, though, is getting alarmingly loud. Yeah. More. Okay, so more happened over this weekend. I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah.

And Bruce wasn't just in the horse community. He put a shotgun to his horse and then murdered his bro yeah no he said no he said no it's my horse it's my horse i'll do it yeah whatever the case it's incredibly sad and i guess it's just a part of horse racing but for whatever reason like i didn't know this much and i'm a stooge i guess but they're covering it now torico over training what's that pal there's i know the derby thing they said some horses died the week of like with due to over training and then it's different when someone runs and breaks a leg and they shoot them on the track that's different right bro how about torico

like 15 minutes he talked about it so i guess it would be like human controlled for some of the reasons why aren't they saying they need like commissioners to put different things on like rules on what you can do with the horses dude it's crazy it's not it's been like this forever is that is that just kind of what we think i think so it has been terrible san anita had a really bad meet where i think like basically 20 horses died during it and they were died or got shot died on the track they passed away from somebody else they juice them up with too much steroids and their heart explodes or what

no I think they break a leg then you get shot though Bruce says they die they kill them a lot of people think something with the dirt of the track I think it could have been tied to all the wildfires in the area. Because a lot of those barns were burned down.

What are we talking about? Wildfires in the area, Bruce. They break their legs and the guys have no more to do with them. And then they shoot them. It does feel like that. That's horse racing. If you shut down horse racing altogether, what would we do with all the thoroughbreds, though? Let them run free.

What about going to Plains? Ever heard of it? Maybe let me go hunt a bison on the back of one. Exactly. Could you imagine me fucking on top of? I can. Hell yeah. Bareback.

Standing? You're going to stand on this horse? Yeah, dude. I'm part of the fucking Montana State Rodeo Team. Seven-time national champion. Seven times, seven times, seven times. Imagine me fucking just with a bow and arrow on. You know what I mean?

Bow and arrow, too. Not even a gun. Just bow and arrow. Okay. That's good. I'll tell you what. If you could stand on a horse and shoot at another animal that's running while your horse is running full speed.

That's what I'm saying. We're hunting. That's the plan. We're hunting. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine me. That would be sick'm saying. We're hunting. That's the plan. We're hunting. Imagine me. That would be sick.

Oh my God. And I would have to squeeze with both legs pretty tight to kind of hold me up. You'd be in the next Avatar movie. I'm going here. I'm going here. I've seen it on paintings, right? Oh yeah, it can be done. Seen it on paintings.

Yeah, dude. You don't know what that means. This horse is tall. Seven hands. There's people that can do it. Seen on paintings. Yeah, dude. You don't know what that means. This horse is tall. It happens. Seven hands. There's people that can do that. What's wrong with having wild horses, though, Bruce? Yeah. Yeah.

Save a horse, right? You ever seen the movie Black Beauty? It's a beautiful tale. Well, Bruce wants to do with what they do in Indy, and they put the blinders on them, and they make them carry carriages for 20 hours. So that's every city has that, not just Indy? Thank you. I'm assuming Boston's got them on a roll on they're definitely way happier here than in central park

oh yeah okay well i don't know all those ponies these ponies are supposed to be like mythical creatures though well that's the part i don't get is there you know they're majestic beautiful creatures and then smart very smart and then one of them sneezes and it's like okay go get the tommy gun and put fucking 150 bullets in this thing. We got nothing for him anymore. We'd like to say we don't know if that is an actual. I just assume that. But that's what it feels like.

Exactly. That's what it feels like. A lot of that coming in a couple months. Right. A lot of money on ammo. Geez. 150 rounds. Yeah.

Yeah. Got to make sure. Which is a whole other conversation. You know. Can they at least use the horse? I know you always say send them to the glue factory. Can they use all pieces of this horse? Who says that? Yeah, they use all pieces.

You said you always say that. I don't say that. You and Con Man. I don't ever say that. Do they use horses for glue? No, it changed like 20 years ago or something like that. So that's why I'm saying I never say it. The hair is for wigs and the skin is for nice leather.

What about the hooves? We're pulling for all the horses. The hooves are for horseshoes. The hooves model for the Colts every single year for their logo. They get paid properly as well. That is good stuff. That's Jim Irsay giving back. Just like he gave back to Lolita, the free whale down there in Miami.

He's still alive and living great. And also, Jim Irsay gave out his top five quarterbacks of all time. He did. He said, you know what? I want to be a punter. I want to see Pat do his thing. Are they paying for that stuff? I can do that.

I can give a top five out, no problem. Easy. There was one omission from the list that a lot of people said, hey, Jim, is that right? Who, Johnny Unitas? He was not on the list. He was not either. Oh, both of them.

Peyton Manning, not on the list. AJ, did you see your big face on the back? That big face right there is AJ Hawk. What a style, you know, man. The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner. Natai Schmidt and one half of the Hammer. Dime. Cowboys 10 Diggs is here.

And all the boys in the back are obviously kicking ass. We got some callers on the phone lines, which we will certainly dive into. We need to talk about the owners' meetings happening right now. A lot of news coming out of there. Jim Mercy basically said, you know, the vote to get a new owner for the Commanders? I know publicly everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're not there yet. Whoa. That's a big piece of news. Yeah. I thought the Commander said it was already good. I thought everything had been fantastic. But now he said he needs to make sure bid complies and owners won't change the rules. What does that mean? He also, in another tweet, said, we're close, but we're not there yet. What does that mean? Are they still trying to lay out how the new ownership fits in? If the new ownership fits in, do they want to allow this? I don't understand any of it, but I'll be excited to hear what the aftermath is of Jim Irsay saying

that. Jim Irsay also put out a top five, which we'll get to in moments, but I'll be excited to hear what the aftermath is of Jim Irsay saying that. Jim Irsay also put out a top five, which we'll get to in moments, but let's stick with the owners' meetings. They have passed a new rule allowing a third quarterback to be on the roster actively without wasting one of the 48 spots or 47 spots out of the 53-man roster. So because of what happened with the Niners against the Eagles in the NFC Championship game, when effectively the Niners were not able to attempt a forward pass. That's right.

Because all the quarterbacks were hurt. Yep. So now they're able to kind of make up for that. This is good news. We're all very happy about that. Not allowed to utilize that quarterback in any other fashion. Not allowed to sneak him in on special teams or a tight end or running back or things that have happened in the past. And this rule wasn't stated in the past before this is returning to an older rule but modifying it so

people don't take advantage of it and it makes sense for everybody speaking of making sense for nobody aj fucking nobody you see that one on top there i do i do see this one i didn't think this one had much uh steam behind it i didn't think they were going to get it done. So I was being told by people behind the scenes, not only at that particular position, special teams coordinators, which I'm friends with like seven of them who actually, you know, I keep in contact with. Head coaches, GMs don't like us.

Nope. Nobody really likes this rule potentially being an NFL rule, which would be a fair catch on a kickoff going to the 25-yard line. It's the most amateur Bush League-looking bullshit I have seen in a long time when it comes to the NFL. I know there is a strike zone that was put into football so there couldn't be any more head-hunting shots. I understand that they changed some rules

so kickoffs can't have as many people back, so there isn't as big of a run-up, so that we can save people's brains. And a lot of people say, this isn't football anymore. It still is. There's still big shots. There's still entertainment. There's still speed.

There's everything good. This particular rule is absolute garbage, okay? You watch a college football game, and they don't have the same kickoff rules as the NFL, but you watch a college football game, and they don't have the same kickoff rules as the NFL, but you watch a college football game, and you see a kicker kickoff. And the ball is spinning, like, normally very fast. And it's like, all right, didn't hit that solid at all.

Let's go to work on that a little bit, you know, especially if we're going to be doing kickoffs on TV. You know, not going to hit everyone perfect. I missed a bunch. But let's not put that on tape. And then people are fair catching it at, like, 15-yard line, which used to be a bloop kick pretty much. And then they're getting the ball at the 25 immediately because of that fair.

It's like this is disgusting. So dumb. It is not. This is not what football is, okay? You think about the kickoff. It's like one of the greatest things of football. It is. It starts the game, obviously, but it's also one ball, 11-11, let's go.

Let's try to get as much as possible. Let's make incredible plays. Them thinking about putting this bullshit in is alarming, and I guess it's just the competition committee that's in on it. Nobody at the NFL level who has been around professional football or professional humans in special teams that have jobs because of kickoff coverage and kickoff return and everything and strategy that can play into that whole thing want this rule.

So I hate it, AJ. I didn't know there was steam behind it either, but apparently there is, and I'm about done with it. We need to put this one to bed and relax with this whole thing. Well, okay, I wonder who has the power. So special teams coordinators are unanimously against this rule, right? That's what the tweet says. That's what the tweet says. That's what that tweet says.

In my particular Rolodex, I can say my sources can confirm what Tom Pelissero has said. How many people are on the competition committee? And can they, like, is it just whatever they decide? Or can they be, like, do these special teams coordinators come in and do they get to, like, present their case on, hey, this is why we need kickoff in the game? So allegedly what I had potentially heard is that they were trying to sneak this one in. Like just trying to let it go a little bit. They were trying to keep this one under the radar. Trying to distract you.

Distract you with something else and then slide this guy right in. Thursday night football. Boom. Yeah, we're flexing Thursday night football two times. Over here. From weeks 13 to week 17. Got to have 28 days notice so that we can get hotels and travel and everything like that. That is actually passed.

Weeks 13 through 17, Thursday night football can be flexed two times. Have to have 28 days of notice for the home city and for the teams. That's more than what a Sunday night football flex is. So congratulations for us. Yeah. That Thursday night football is going to be more entertaining. And obviously to the players who are going to love this. Oh, of course.

Players are going to absolutely love everything about it. Yeah, another fake bye week, boys. Yeah. Another fake bye week. Yeah. I got to play earlier, especially that late in the season, 13 through 17. Only can recover for four days. Have to play another game.

That matters. Probably can't even walk until Thursdays most days. But, yeah, I got to play another game two times maybe. So, thank you. Thank you for your service. Go ahead and do that. Players aren't even walk until Thursdays most days. But, yeah, I've got to play another game two times maybe. So thank you. Thank you for your service. Go ahead and do that. Players aren't going to love it. As fans, though, we get a chance to hopefully enjoy some better games

on these Thursday night matchups. So the NFL is trying to push that. And then they're like, hey, three quarterbacks. And then all of a sudden, bullshit kickoff, fair catch, ball at the 25. I don't like that, AJ. Let's not do that. Yeah, I don't like that, AJ. Let's not do that. Yeah, I don't like it at all, but I think the thing that the competition committee probably feels like,

hey, we could do this without making a bunch of waves. The general public casual fans are not going to be up in arms over this rule because I think a lot of people might not even completely understand this rule. Yeah, and it probably won't matter because NFL kickers, you know, will hit the ball into the end zone. Yeah. But there's going to come a time where one person's going to know the rule and it's going to be in the playoff and they're going to wait for a fair catch

at like the nine when normally that would be a return or a big-time hit because coverage got down there. And they're going to put the ball at 25 and we're all going to say, that was so stupid. Yeah. That was so stupid. Why is that a thing? It's all safety, right?

Is this all considered, this is all for safety? Yeah, but then we heard that there were stats. Stats, yeah. That special teams plays maybe, but have we looked at the field? The field on those plays. On special teams plays. Because it's a lot bigger running. Yeah, super great.

Well, not to mention how much some teams have benefited from returns. Like the Packers season was damn near turned around because of their kickoff. Still will be able to do that. Yeah, absolutely. Still will be able to do that. But on the other side of it, special teams is more than just kicking field goals and punting.

Some teams weaponize how good their coverage units are against the Packers especially. It's like you've got a guy who, whereas if he would be able to just fair catch every time and take it to the 25, it would benefit poor special teams. Big time. Like remember what the Raiders were doing this year.

So I guess there's more shit than there is good. Clock management too, right? If there's like eight seconds left, you could just kick it in play, run that eight seconds off, and now instead you can fair catch it way back there. Yeah, I mean eight seconds, who's the returner, where are we we how likely is it yeah there's so many squib obviously right yeah squib is like for less than three two seconds yeah but can you do so you can't do that if they squib kick it no and if you catch it that's interesting can you fair catch a squib no once it hits the ground what if it's oh if it's in the air a ball is like low trajectories in the air you fair catch it

and then it hits the ground how's that work yeah in the air? A ball's like low trajectory. It's in the air. You fair catch it. It's in the air. Then it hits the ground. How does that work? Yeah, what if you drop a fair catch? What if you double catch it? Just all punt rules, I assume, for fair catch? Whatever it is, it's fucking bullshit. Don't do it.

Yeah, don't. Yeah, don't. It will make the game look like, yeah, it'll just, it takes the, I don't know what it does. It's like when I watch a college game. You know how I am here. You know my rule. I can't stand the down-by-contact rule.

College dude catches the ball wide open, and they blow it down, and there's no one within 15 feet of him. Yeah, there's a lot of these rules in college. Bingo. A lot of that. A lot of why are we – Let the boys play. Fix it.

Let the boys play. But, hey, lucky to be a part of the college world. We are adapting. But there are some things that we would like to keep in your league. Yep. And in the NFL league, different ones. Is that too much to ask? Sorry about it. I don't think it is. Two different leagues. This is a big CYA

probably for the competition committee. We were told to cut down on some plays that have some concussions. This would do it. I mean, Vrabel's on there, so what the fuck, AJ? Well. We don't know how he's voting, though. We're not sure how he's i'm sure it's just a majority vote right yeah tomlin vrabel rivera frank reich mckay yeah rich mckay chairman he's the president and ceo of the atlanta falcons he knows katie blackburn executive vice

president cincinnati bangles she's been a massive piece of Cincinnati turning around, right? She runs it all now. And modernized. They have a sponsor of the stadium. They have an indoor practice facility. She's changing the game. And her kids. When I was there in 2015, 14, whenever I was, her daughters were there always. I think they have prominent

roles now as well. So I have faith that she has it. Chris Greer, general manager of the Dolphins. I would assume that he is also on the side of no. Steven Jones? No. I don't know about Steven Jones. At all. Because what would Jerry do?

What would Jerry do? Jerry would be good for the league. What's good for the Shield here? Hey, we need 10 more plays under concussion rate. So we answered this for your catch. We're fucking there, aren't we? What's his name? Still a coordinator down there? Special teams coordinator?

Bones probably has his ear. I assume Bones is not throwing about this because they're a good special teams guy. I was thinking Steven Jones might be for the role. You're saying no. Well, I'm just saying if Bones has his ear. Are there a bunch of stats? Have they showed? I know the kickoff has changed a lot.

They can't run up all this stuff. Are there stats that guys are still getting knocked out at an alarming rate? I never understood it either. Can I see the actual numbers here? Because I feel like I watch a lot of special teams, and I don't see as many. No. There might be certain plays and situations where it happens more often.

You've got people running wide open. I would assume somebody did a stat on these kicks, situations where it happens more often you got people running wide open you know like why i would assume somebody did a stat on these kicks or like college football said we saw a number of this decreased by this amount whenever we added this because everything is just for covering their ass right isn't that isn't that literally what everything's for yeah for now down the road too like you don't want people to come back and sue the league for head injuries for oh i was on kickoff team for eight years all that stuff we don't need another one of these come on no at all and what's the denominator you need to get rid of those turf yeah exactly get out of the phone 500 phone line at the nfl grass we do need to make i saw a believer is it a movie trailer

for supergrass yeah he was sitting in a dark room. Oh, yeah. He read a letter. Yeah, Vaughn Miller is pushing for Supergrass. He's promoted on my time. So awesome. Me too. I've seen it. Kind of a sellout. But if it works out, it's good.

AI will be able to figure out. I think we'll be talking to Vaughn Miller tomorrow. Really? Nice. Nice. We're going to ask about Supergrass. No question. Let's go to the phones.

Ty. Ty. What? Nothing. I can't wait to talk to him. Vaughn's awesome. It's been a while. I feel like I'm going to miss out.

What was that about? No, Ty talking in different accents and talking about the Supergrass. I hope it's a real thing. I hope some guys like Elon Musk have gotten on board and be like, you know what, Vaughn? I'm going to look into this. Vaughn's in front of the program. Love Vaughn.

Yeah, but the way you. I was talking to Ty. I wasn't talking to Vaughn. Was he at the. Yeah, but the way you were talking to Ty about the Vaughn. I can't. I cannot control how you react to whatever I say. I'm sorry.

I can't. It's on you. It's on you. It's your problem. But that you can't, actually. I'm sorry. That's part of it. I can't. That's actually part of the problem. It's on you. It's on you. It's your problem. No, but that's not real. It was very smug. Very smug. It's not real.

It's not real. Was Vaughn there this weekend? I saw a lot of Buffalo Beals fans. Yeah, both of them. Vaughn and Josh Allen. Yeah, they were interviewed a few times. I guess Rochester, an hour and a half from Buffalo up there. Yeah.

Hell of an environment. Hey, fans at the PGA Championship. It was a great. Great odds at the championship. It was a great... I mean, Michael Block hitting that hole-in-one. They booed the shit out of Bison. Yeah, early. First night. That was his first day.

The rest of the time, they cheered for him. But Brooks was uncomfortable. No, did you? I did not. No, I didn't. I could be wrong. You might have been wishing for it. Yeah, sounds like you were. Some people like to see the world burn, I guess. PGA tone.

No, no, I like Brooksie. So, explain that. You know what else happened yesterday? While golf was taking place and having an incredible day and hockey was taking place in overtime and having a great day. What was that? There was Indy 500 qualifiers. Oh, qualies?

Qualies. Qualies for yesterday. Nice. Qualies for the Indy 500 qualifiers. Oh, qualies? Qualies. Qualies for yesterday. Nice. Qualies for the Indy 500 for yesterday. Now, they were happening all day at the track, sometimes only available on Peacock. Okay. And then other times on MBC.

They have a lot of different ways. So you've got to qualify to be in the fast 12, so then you can potentially get in the top six. And once you get in the top six, then you're racing against each other in a thing to see who can get one. But you can be no less than, then you're racing against each other in a thing to see who can get one, but you can be no less than six. You're racing against that. And then the bottom five are basically racing to secure.

There's like four spots pretty much, so one person's getting eliminated, and they're racing against each other. Graham Rahal, friend of the program. Oh, yeah. He got eliminated from the Indy 500 by an average over a four lap span of.007 of a mile per hour oh my god

absurd he was sitting in his car while it was happening couldn't do anything so they have this period of time where you can get out there run four laps and then they take your average speed of those four laps and then that's how they rank you in the entire setup of the race

so yesterday poll sitter Alex P entire setup of the race so yesterday poll sitter alex palou of the aero mclaren team ran the fastest and the highest miles per hour average in the history of the indy 500 fastest car to ever average to be sitting on the pole of the indy 500 is happened just yesterday for the indy 500 coming up graham ray hall veteran in the game very well well known, out. Four and a half miles an hour slower than the other car and by.007. Couldn't even get on the track to try to beat it because the shot clock had worn out.

So he's sitting in his car, helmet on, in the loading dock to get on and maybe try to up his speed a little bit. Yeah. Watching this guy take him out of the any 500 and it's his teammate his own teammate oh man it's even worse heart so is he pissed is he pissed that's not my car my car wasn't that fast so there's a lot of things he could be pissed off by his dad owns the team so his dad could have this other guy would have been out would have been the only one out graham would have been in graham was sitting in the final spot so this guy

had to go out and try to beat him and then cool off and then go out and try to beat him again while Graham was just waiting because if that guy beats him, then Graham goes back out, tries to beat him, steal the spot. But instead, as the clock is expiring, he can't get back onto the track.

.007 of a mile per hour. What a heartbreaker. There's Graham right there. I don't think we should show it. Just a photo. Yeah, yeah. He's sitting in his car, right? So that's him sitting there watching this guy, I think Jack Harvey.

Yeah. Jack Harvey going. And then Bobby Rahal is the owner. That's his dad. The owner of the race team. So his dad could have stepped in and said, you ran one time. You weren't able to beat my son sorry about it you're out instead they go out there they run they try to beat it they cool

off they fix something he goes back out there again beats his son his son's out of it damn so it's called if you're graham ray hall there's a lot of things oh yeah that you could be you know furious about probably like that in the end the The fastest car, I guess, going on there. That's right. But Bobby Rahal was put in a spot publicly. They had an ISO cam on him the entire time. Zooming in. And it's like, well, every reaction is either pissing off an employee who works for your team or your kid.

Their cars all stink, though. They're not going to win anyways. It does not matter. So there we go. But still. Yeah, their four cars were part of the bottom five so oh but remember when it happened uh i don't know how many years ago it happened where a dude came in he somehow qualified and he won the indy 500 i think the guy ended up dying actually unfortunately he was i think justin timberlake was part of the sponsorship for this team i don't know how many five ten years ago

maybe i don't remember that was weird I feel like I would have remembered. That's wild. I don't know. There's a current GOAT racing, though. Got him Scott Dixon. He's like one of the greatest IndyCar drivers of all time. He's the guy. Still just racing.

Just wins all the time. Just wins all the time. So he's there for stopping. Yeah, the owner of his team, Pittsburgh guy. Nice. Chip Ganassi. Van Heels, I believe. Yeah, he... Any of them go do F1 stuff to do the street

racing so alexander rossi who i think is p43 he's part of the aero mclaren team so the aero mclaren team fast cars they got the cars they got fast cars this year that the graham right hole uh team very slow cars so that means somebody probably the head engineer going to be fired yeah going to be like probably after the race either going to be changed or something like that because the engineers are like some of the most powerful people in indycar because unlike nascar which we just learned is trying to stay same speed roughly in between 190 to 200 these cars they're trying to like tweak every little thing to steal steal a.007 of a mile per hour because you could potentially win.

234 mile an hour average, this fucking kid. That is so fast. He was going 242 at one point. What? 241, I think. 242, maybe. 242 miles an hour in a fucking rocket in a fucking rocket yesterday yeah that's absurd bananas dude absolutely fucking bananas aj wow so do they not they don't do they not control the

cars like nascar does i know nascar the cars are very very similar right with all the restrictions they have yeah so the engineers are the weapon of indycar like obviously gotta have a driver but you gotta have a very intelligent very very savvy engineer. And for whatever reason, some teams have real top tier and then some teams don't. We know in any profession, there's people that are very high performers and then there's others. Yeah, and everybody's trying to get

those high performers, and especially competition jobs. Yeah, it's the fastest field in the history of the Indianapolis 500, which there's been over 100 of them. Let's go. I mean, if you get in a wreck at 232, how many times does your car flip oh forever they fly dude these fucking cars fly the scott dixon guy who's like gonna go down is probably the greatest of all time his car a couple years back caught a little bit of air and you become like a sail yeah he becomes like a kite flies flips hits the fence nosedive full spin fire it's like a kite. Flies, flips, hits the fence, nosedive, full spin, fire.

It's like a fucking – these are actual rockets, these dudes. In.007 of a mile per hour. That had to be Heartbreak City for Graham. Terrible. Oh, my gosh. Especially with the other car being on the same team. It's like, okay, we're on the same team, but you barely beat me and you got the faster cars.

Graham would be a good face of IndyCar, though. So maybe he'll be able to do more media here this week because he's not racing. They should bring him on for the broadcast. He's from Ohio. I think he's from Columbus. Yeah. Oh, yeah. From Columbus.

Good dude. I appreciate it. He's done a lot of great work for me. He's a car guy. He loves cars. I know a lot of people have gotten cars from them. Yeah, the Ray Halls love cars. Yeah, they do. Hey, I'm thinking about this. Don them. Yeah, the Ray Halls love cars.

Yeah, they do. Hey, I'm thinking about this. Don't. Terrible idea. Do not do it. Okay, thank you. Good to know. Got this, though.

You need it. We can't even watch that race, right? Unless you go to it. You should go to it. It's a great spectacle. Wait, what? What do you mean you can't watch it? Blacked out in Indianapolis.

Yeah, you have to go. Yeah, go. We got enough seats. Did you do that old school football rule? You can't. Really? So they got seats for 500,000 people. So I think their big worry is potentially like not filling it up, but they're going to every single year because you have to go.

You have to go. That whole entire thing, like I don't know if you don't go to it, you can't really understand what a spectacle it is in Indianapolis. It's insane. It is nuts. So hard to get Uber after. Yeah, you're walking. So hard.

Walked home. You are walking afterwards. And it is one of those things where you go once, you get it. You don't really ever have to go back. I agree. I heard if you go once, though, you want to go back. It makes you want to come back. Some people might have had that. I got my fill one year and said, okay, I never have to do this again.

Whoa. Have to. You get to. You got to. Well, I never have to do this again. Whoa. Have to. You get to. You got to. Well, I did get to. You're right. You're right. But it is long.

There's long days. That is a long fucking day. Also had no idea a race was going on. No clue. When you're in the infield, you can't really even see the cars. You can hear them though. Zoom. Wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim, wim.

Somebody and then 35 seconds later, it's like, oh, somebody's doing real bad. I couldn't see it, but I did hear somebody's real fucking far behind. And then you look up, they're also a lap behind, too. Jeez. That's about to be two laps behind, I think. Also, they're a little too single file for me a lot of the time. You know, I'm more of a three-wide rubbing and racing. Bro, they're going 240 miles an hour.

That's fine. Can't do a whole lot of rubbing at 24. I'd rather see 195 with some rubbing. They were four wide, what was it, last year or two years ago? They are fucking psychopaths. Every time I meet one of these things, I go, you're a psycho. You know what I mean? What are you doing?

Yeah, strap me in more to a rocket. You know, not get me out of here quickly. I need more strapping to this rocket that I'm straddling. And then here quickly. I need more strapping to this rocket that I'm straddling. And then it's I'm going to try to get this thing to go 242 miles an hour. And I'm just going to be

holding on for dear fucking life. Then I go like this far from the wall. And if you don't go that far from the wall, your car sucks. Not going to go fast. Have to go all the way up there. It is maniacal. It's nuts. Well, that's what, like, you asked Ross Chastain, like, if he could sneeze in his car.

Like, those guys might be able to. Like, I legit don't know if you could sneeze going 240 miles an hour. Imagine an allergy popping up. Yeah. You're dead. You're done. Done. Good run.

They were talking about how six gear wasn't being used properly by some of these drivers. They're trying to keep it super positive. But on the call, there's a little bit of a downshift in the wrong time there. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah, they can see everything, right? When you're on the throttle, when you're on the brake, all of that. So the engineer is watching everything.

The engineer even, there's like sensors, I believe. The back right is catching a little bit more air than the left front these cars are so expensive state-of-the-art so so expensive so like the engineer sees everything they actually gave a call i think to jack harvey about his front right something mid-lap they're like hey push the button to adjust your front right whatever change it his car automatically he beats gra Rahal. That was while he was on the track. Had to push a button with his... Was that his dad? Was that his dad that told him to, that got him

an extra time? Yeah, Graham Rahal's dad told Jack Harvey what to do. Yeah, knock my kid out. Jesus. What a scene, dude. What a scene. So the Indy 500's happening this weekend. Yeah, race week. Race week. Stay safe. Stay safe, everybody. Stay safe. Especially you, everybody. Stay safe. Especially you guys in the snake pit.

Let's fucking mix in the water. Be careful. That's like a... It's going to be hot this weekend, too, so it's going to be a billion degrees. DJ Diesel in there, too. Shaq is in there, isn't he? Shaq's here this week? Oh, yes.

Has Shaq ever... He's had to have been doing any 500. Probably. He's probably driven the pace car. I would assume. Can he fit in it? No, he can't fit. Well, they don't drive an Indy pace car, do they? Isn't it a normal Corvette? You get a Corvette and then you get

a Mario Andretti will drive somebody in a two-seater. That's sweet. Troy Polamali was in there one time. The hair was fucking beautiful. It was awesome. Larry Fitzgerald, I think he's done that. It's like almost two. Two for the price of one.

Then he got somebody with the flag as well. So there's always, of course, Shaq. Wasn't that Miles Teller last year? Didn't he do the flag? Did he? I think his Top Gun. Well, it was after Top Gun, but yeah. I think he might have.

Maybe. I'm sure he did a great job. I waved it in a Peyton's Places. Getting up that thing Tight little ladder Is it scary up there if you don't like heights? So they were talking to me as if like Hey we'll be able to help you out and get you up there

As if I was going to be scared I'm like what are you fucking talking about I'm going up into a little booth And then I start climbing that ladder And it was a tight little ladder I was like oh shit I am up here and then getting in through the hole i had to turn that son of a bitch sideways so it's like

an awkward damn and then you get up in there and you are just sitting over top of the thing it's like yeah this is a little sketch i guess could be viewed as sketch and then if you're waving that thing this car's going 200 miles an hour what if you drop that that? Yeah. I mean, it's a certain catastrophe. They should strap it. They should definitely strap that to your wrist. Yeah, like a Wii remote. Like DeChambeau does with that long putter? Yep.

Yeah. He does, doesn't he? He locks that thing. It's so weird. It's so weird watching him not only hit every shot, but even when he putts with both arms look like they're dead straight. Spieth now, too. He's doing the same thing?

Well, he doesn't do the locked arms like DeChambeau does, but do you see the way he works his back? It just doesn't look natural. It looks painful. Is he making putts? That's all that matters. True. I don't know if he was this week.

AJ, you make putts? Yeah, AJ's great at golf. Oh, yeah. He's a Sandman. I'm going to get the big tall putter. I want that big old tall putter like I'm an 85-year-old dude. So I found a hack. I found a putting hack.

What? So, you know, I follow a lot of Instagram golf tip accounts. Sure. Sweet. Because, listen, if I'm going to look at my feed and it's going to be absurd, hopefully it will at least make me a better golfer. That's right. This Irish fella, I think he was Irish,

the captions videos are getting watched 10 times more often than the ones that are not captioned. I think I heard an accent before I was able to turn the sound all the way down. Don't know his name. We'll find it. We'll give proper credit. He told me everybody putts with the stripe

pointing at the hole. He was like, why don't you try to turn that son of a bitch sideways and then match up your putter with it and then just roll it. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I like that. So I tried it this morning.

How'd it go? Good. Okay, so that might be the move. So I think I'm currently good. I've currently figured it out. What will it be next week? Who knows? We'll see.

But whenever he said that, I was like, that's been there the whole time. Yeah. that's been there the whole time yeah that's been there the whole time genius why didn't why have i not it was though because even this bxg ball has a little line that kind of would point at the uh would point at the hole you know there's like a little one in there crosshairs oh yeah that was both that's perfect yeah so i put that thing and then i just lined up the putter with it and i was just trying to make everything. You're going to make every putt. Potentially.

I'm going to do it, too. I'm doing that. Yeah, but you don't need to. You make putts already. Yeah. I don't really line it up anyway, but that sounds cool. Yeah, but this is me neither. I've never done that either because this one, the straight one, never worked.

Ever. Like, I never, never. So people would be, like, lining up. I'd feel like an asshole because I'm taking fucking 45 minutes on the green lining up my ball. And then when I'm putting it, I'm rolling it off the green anyways. So it's like, why am I doing that? But I guess if you want to be good, you do have to look where you're putting.

They all do the thing where they stand square to the hole. Yeah, that new thing. Like three feet, six feet. That's the new popular thing. Yeah, and also I've seen them going as if they were putting from, like, halfway. Where you would putt, where you would putt. All right, let's figure out putting. Here we go.

That's the last frontier. And shout out to Cuzz. Bob Parsons. Yep. Well, that's BFG. Oh, yeah. I thought that was BFG. BFG Scott.

Alex? I think he's got that. The Irish guy. He also told me another thing. You know hitting down on the ball, divot after ball strike? Mm-hmm. So he put this tee in front of the ball, and he was like, try to hammer the top of the tee.

What, AJ? It's just 10 cup. I mean, this is the movie 10 Cup. You are in the trailer with all the little gadgets on it. I'm going to figure it out. I will take that pool noodle right here because golf fits told me. That's a smart move. I'll put that thing right here.

You know what I mean? Do you like doing that stuff? Like, I don't know. I feel like you need to think less in golf. No, I need, like, two thinkers. I need, like, two things to think about. I like the putting thing. I like that.

Yeah, me too. I'm pretty pumped about it. Can't be any worse than it was last year at Tall Hill. Every single putt at Tall hill i've never been i've never pretty well feeling yeah you hit the most the highest pressure putt on 17 on saturday bingo yeah i'm not talking about like pressure feeling i'm talking about having no idea how you're supposed to hit the ball you know what i mean like there's there's always times when that that pops up it isn't like a nerve thing It's just like I actually have no clue.

Where I'm supposed to hit this. How hard I'm supposed to hit this. Or where I'm supposed to hit it. And if I did know where I was supposed to hit it, I have no clue if I could actually put it there. You know? Because there's no putting practice ever. Even some of the slopes.

Like looking at them. We didn't even know if it was left to right or right to left. That's going hard. Left, right, and then the book goes. It's actually two cups the other way. We'd have been in a sand trap if we fucking. Thank you. Jeez. Need that book. Quite an advantage. Gonna find that book this year. Also, I've seen players

using this thing. Oh, the range finders? That's legal now. How long's that been? BJ can. When I was in high school, it wasn't. So it's pretty new. Wait, what? A couple years ago. They started letting pros use it a couple years ago. It's awesome. Speed up the game so you don't have to walk all the paces from all the dumb sprinkler heads and all that.

You can't use the slope, right? It's a straight distance. Is it? Whatever that means. Whatever slope means. Because they come with a tournament. That's what it's playing as, you asshole. They come with a tournament mode or a slope mode.

Yeah, well, if something's straight downhill, like you've got a rolling field there, there's a chance it's 200 yards as a crow flies. Yeah yeah but with the hill and gravity and the curvature of the earth it's actually only 135 that's right well that's a slope how do we know they're staying on tournament mode the whole entire time exactly there's there's something because you have to pull out the lens and it like shows the color i don't fucking know i didn't know but you do know yeah i know because honor that's an honorable game. At the time, I knew that, but it could have changed in the last few years.

Yeah, people could have been putting weights in the fish. True. Yeah. Exactly. Hey, those guys still reaping what they sowed. And what they sowed was weights in the fish, like actual ball bearings into fish. Two fishermen caught cheating in Lake Erie walleye trail tournament by

inflating the weight of the fish or headed for 10 days in a local slammer. They also face $2,500 in fines and additional time behind bars if they violate their probation. $2,500 is nothing in comparison to what they won. They won hundreds of thousands of dollars. I would assume they're taking it right on

the chin, going right into jail and saying, so what? Yeah, worth it. Sorry. Their boats got taken away too, right? Yeah, true. Took the boat. And their fishing licenses as well. Yeah, they ain't allowed to pull anything out of any water ever again.

So that's going to hurt their hearts. But they knew what they were signing up for when they were fucking putting fillets inside of fish. That's right. Actual filleted fish inside a fish to get the weight up a little bit so they can beat Mark, who's been fishing his whole life. He just wanted to do a fair and square.

Ten days in the slammer for that. Yeah, I mean, that's nothing. They let these guys off very, very easily. This isn't even a slap on the wrist. I thought there was a legit chance that they were going to give both these guys the death penalty. It's Ohio.

Would have made sense. Can't be doing what they were doing to give both these guys the death penalty. It's Ohio. Would have made sense. Can't be doing what they were doing, AJ. You can't. I mean, pretty obvious when you're putting bowling balls in the fish's bellies. Like, you're going to get caught eventually. Maybe. Long time they didn't. You ever watch to catch a predator?

Nope. Toxic. Did see that. Wild that those people existed. Oh, yeah. He's still doing it. He's streaming it now somewhere else. Smuggler, maybe, to catch a smuggler or something like that.

I don't know. The smugglers tell their stories, and they reenact them and everything like that. And, like, if they would stop 10 times where they've made hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars they all started because they needed money and then they do an international drug smuggle where they either eat it or do something else and then they get back and they get so much money more money than they've ever gotten in their entire life they pay off whatever they needed they live hard and then all of a sudden when you get back down to zero it's very easy to be like boom need do this again if they would have just most of them stopped after 10 times like actually 10 times would have never got caught would have been good to go it was like the 11th or the 12th time

of course this is gonna be my last time just like the last 10 were that they were doing and they get caught these fish people should have just taken 100 grand that they made exactly they did too much you gotta know when the time is up you you know, whenever you beat them, okay? All these people probably thought about doing it. You decided to actually do it. It's been there. Everybody could have done it. You got away with it.

And then one parking lot, all you need is some Ohio fuck to go, oh, I actually caught that fish. That wasn't how heavy that fish was. There we go. They cut it open. They find that thing inside of a fucking largemouth bass. Can't do it. No, you can't. Pigs get fed. Hogs get slaughtered.

And these boys are going to jail 10 days. Is that way to have a tail on the end of it? Well, this is the inner part of the fish. Yeah, they scaled the fish. Yep. Nice. That's a good catch. Hey hey 10 days in jail sounds like nothing in the grand scheme of life it's gonna feel long in those 10 days oh yeah imagine those guys do they go right away or do they get to wait and chew like they wait in three months would you rather go right away like hey 10 days send me right now or do you want to they'll say hey you come back in three months and you go serve

your 10 days this is gonna sound um I don't want to make the comparison because they're very different feelings. Okay. Very different emotions. One joy, one terrible. Sure. Baby came two weeks early. Unexpected, out of nowhere.

Your life is different right now. Okay. Now that we're a couple weeks out of it, I think I'd much rather come out of nowhere. So I think put me in jail now. Immediately. Me too. You know what I mean, AJ?

Me too. Absolutely. It gives the other prisoners less time to find out that you were the cheating fisherman. They know. As soon as you get in there. It doesn't matter when you get in there. The day you get in there, they find out. You have to hold a card, right?

When you walk in, what your crime is Yeah, I don't know if that's how they do it Something like that I wonder how many people in jail How many prisoners Will take actual offense to what they did, though This fucking guy Some big time fisherman will, you know that

Depends on where they're going to jail Some guy who murdered people but fished on the side Why don't they send him to Cabela's jail? They would be fucked? They just get the shit beat out of them for 10 days in a row. Maybe out in Montana. Where are they going to? Where's the fishermen?

Montana. Good fly fishing out there. Louisiana. Deep sea fishing. Anyways, Happy, it seems like they won completely in this thing. Yeah. So we'd like to let everybody know we're with all the other competitors.

Good luck to everybody else. Speaking of... So the average of everybody else was, what we heard about the pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered, a little bit of a detail here. Everybody else was averaging about 20 pounds. Their fish were 34 pounds.

Dominating. Just can't. You know what I mean? Just can't. It's 65%. Yeah. I get it. And go big or go home.

What if their actual fish pre-filet and everything would have been like top two fish? Could have been. Probably would. They never know. They had to just win by that margin. How about them taking actual fucking fillets out of the store, fish fillets, and shoving it into the fish?

That's my favorite part. Ball bearings, weights, all kind of predictable. The actual fillets getting shoved. They'll never know. Oh, sorry. Did we raise the fish? I don't know. What? Extra fillet inside? That's our What? Oh, extra filet inside?

It looks salmon. What, that's our fault? Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, they must have ate all these weights. Okay. Is that my fault? I don't know. Like, that's...

Clean up the lake. Have them stop eating this stuff. Yeah. Chiefs of Hawks still want to run? I believe so. A lot of jail talk on this. He's got to be. I don't know.

You know anything about him? I believe he's still on the loose, yeah. On the lam, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are they actively searching? Doggies, doggies. Dog herders and wolf. Dog almost got that one kid, right?

Yeah, almost. One guy out in Idaho? Yeah, maybe. All right. Let's get the fence. Dog's a little long in the tooth. The kid in Idaho, I think, is a little different. Dog went down to Florida.

Yeah, but that, yeah. The kid in Idaho is currently on trial right now. Yeah. Today, you got a range. Thankfully, someone else got him because the dog wasn't crazy. Bro, that human exists out there. Just like everything, seeing everything about it just looks, when I see him, like, man, it's a scary

situation. How about him getting pulled over and just being like, oh, sorry, I had my windshield wipers on or something like that. How are you so, what is... It's nonchal so... Hey, let's remember those humans are out there. Let's keep our heads up. Head on a swivel. Don't trust anybody. DTA. Especially don't trust

a ralph snake if you're drinking beers on. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Tyler in Ohio. Tyler, what's going on? Powering the 5R Energy phone line 1-833-433-3663 or 1-8334-DUNC. Go to 5RNG.com. Use promo code MACFEE to receive 15%

off your order of the most delightful and effective energy shot on the market. 15% off. Shout out. What do you want to talk about there, Tyler? How's it going, pal? How's it going? Keep it moving. Bingo.

Hey, I just wanted to bring up one thing. You guys were talking about the Big Ten deal, TV deal. How are they going to fit Notre Dame into that? Because they're with NBC. Yeah, interesting. I think NBC just has the nightly

Big Ten games, and then the Notre Dame schedule is as is. They'll still be on at noon or 3.30 every Saturday. Oh, so Notre Dame doesn't play at night? Honestly, yeah, very rarely. I didn't know this. Pete kind of opened this. I didn't know that some places schedule the time on purpose

because of weather and everything like that. That's interesting. That's a very interesting thing weather and everything like that. That's interesting. That's a very interesting thing that I didn't think. That's old school thinking that I didn't really ever think about, AJ. It makes sense when you said Happy Valley. I know we had trouble getting in there. We had to bus there one year because we couldn't fly in. So we flew somewhere and then bussed all the way in.

Kind of a weapon as a home football team? Yeah, it helps a lot. Yeah. I don't think it helps recruiting players by any means. Oh, because getting there is tough. Like, well, we got to do it. It's like, yeah. Guys are coming in, like, for real.

Like, I played that with Ohio State people and talked to different coaches. Guys are coming in as high schoolers talking about, like, hey, I want to get into, like, commercial real estate. I want to do this. I want to do that. So coaches are, like, facilitating that and having them speak to people when they come in to recruit all that stuff so

whenever i went to west virginia they asked me what i wanted to do and i said i want to be a lawyer yeah and they had me i was the first player ever to tour that tour law school yeah the head of the law school actually said that this is the i don't know they said uh i think they explained they don't know how often this happens at other schools but we know there's no chance you'll be able to be a lawyer if you're also playing football but you said you wanted to come we just want to show you what our check it out pretty nice very nice school had a full had a full uh stock market room full everything it was very very nice the guy told me and my parents though like five six different times like you'll never be able to do this

if you're also going to be a full-time football player. Okay. But we appreciate even getting the request or whatever. You didn't do that when you went to Ohio State? We're not here to play school? No, I mean, I definitely toured stuff, but they didn't give me nothing. It was always group stuff.

Then we had to meet with all of the academic advisors and do all that stuff. Let's go to AJ in Myrtle Beach on the 500-5. What's going on, AJ? Hello, how we doing? Hey, great. How are you? Keep it moving, pal.

Doing good. Ty, I wish I would have known you were in Myrtle Beach this weekend. I'm sorry for the shit show of the weather it was. Not yourself. Yeah, man, I wish I could have had you and your boy yeah i wish i could have had you and your boys up at uh my indoor go-kart place man would have been a good time come on indoor rain weather had i known what's the name of the place just so we know for next time uh k1 speed k1 that's electric right yes sir okay we got one of those here in indianapolis what's the

top speed on those things, pal? They'll go over 30. Okay. Hell yeah. I guess. That's not bad. All right. Appreciate you, brother.

Have a good one. Hey, senior frog still down there? Yeah, but I stay away from that place. Smart, smart. Yeah. Get in there. Smart, smart. Have a good one, AJ. AJ, what do you have for your K1 speed?

Cool. I don't know. But again, I was serving suspension. I wasn't going down there trying to have the time of my life going to K1 speed you were trying to have the time of your life so what did you do then? I thought it was going to be a great time

played a lot of golf got pissed on with the rain pretty much the entire time yeah but you got some sun I did get some sun yeah you got a good shade and plus that guy said your buddies you were just there with a bunch of people

you met on Reddit. Yeah, exactly. Let's go to Reed in Youngstown, Ohio. Reed, what's going on at the 500G phone line? Yeah, boys, we'd love to know how you're doing, but we got to keep it moving. Rain, hail, sweet snow, shout out K1 Speed. Okay. Okay.

Shout out, Sean. It's time for Madden football. It's right for Madden football. It's right around the corner. Everybody knows that game's kind of stunk since AJ was a rookie. One feature that was pretty sweet about it was the Tony Bruno show. Now that you guys are kind of selling yourselves out, what do you think the chances are that you would ever do a little radio show?

Maybe on a 2K football game or a Madden. Thank you, Reed, for the question. Good idea. Good idea. I don't know how those conversations would start or happen. I've heard commentating on those video games is terrible. It is. I've heard the hours are demanding.

It's a lot of repeating things. And you've got to do it in a room all by yourself. Just actual hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. And then you've got to update it like biweekly maybe every two weeks. Yeah, that's what 2K does, not Madden. Madden is just one size fits all. You just do it once. Are you sure?

Positive, 100%. For Charles Davis? Yep. They don't change. But 2K, like WWE 2K, the NBA 2K, they update them. It might be every week. I don't know if it's every other. Yeah, people had to live in a city because they had a deal

with something. I'm like, excuse me? Yeah, we gotta do this every two weeks. EA Sports sells out. They don't do that. 2K does. It made sense. I'm like, god damn, I appreciate the commitment. I hope everybody that's playing. I don't really play a lot of video games, but I hope

that people respect that. If we were to get ourselves into a video game as a program, we would certainly think about that. Yeah, we certainly would. Sell out. Sell out. Look at your face. You want us to do it. If we're already selling out. I don't care. Fuck it. I'd like to make

Madden better. It's about time we made Madden better. No, we'd be selling out to just make it worse. That's what everybody thinks. Well, then we might as well do it. If we're going to sell out, we might as well sell out hard. That's what everybody's saying we did already. He reminded me, he brought up WWE and made me think of

WWE superstar Stone Cold Steve Austin. I heard a story this weekend. Did you drink in the locker room with WWE superstar Stone Cold Steve Austin and WWE superstar Brock Lesnar Larry needs a shout out to and WWE trainer Larry I'm happy Steve told this story Mr. Austin oh sweet Stone Cold Steve Austin because we run a we run a vlog of Wrestlemania that Foxy put together yep and at the end of the vlog it is me coming up to the camera, flipping it off, and saying,

we did it, man, and then walking away. And Foxy says, after 10,000 beers. What we didn't have in there was a bottle of whiskey as well. Right. So there was 10,000 beers and a bottle of whiskey. And Mr. Austin was talking to TMZ Sports. I believe he was talking to Mojo that was working there. Obviously, former WWE superstar and NFL guy.

What took place is Stone Cold Steve Austin, a man I've looked up to for my entire life, obviously. He was the blue-collar hero during the Attitude Era. He was literally my family, my community, my neighborhood in a superhero form.

Basically, telling his boss to go fuck himself drinking beer raising hell nobody can tell me what to do you are the authority fuck off pretty much is what he was just blue collar hero so getting a chance to like meet him know him work with him during wrestlemania crazy then what he did uh this weekend absolutely bananas. Here's an interview Stunt Coach Steve Austin did that is pretty crazy to think about, AJ. I've lived the dumbest life of all time. This is one of the crazier things that has ever happened. Pat McAfee's sell on your stunner at WrestleMania. Where does that rank all time?

That's got to be pretty up there. Man, top three. Top three. I got to say top three because, I mean, you know, The Rock is number one the way he oversold, and Scott Hall and some of the other guys that took it. But, I mean, the way he, you know, Pat has a natural feel for the business, epic performer,

great on the stick. Athletically, you know, that match he had with Theory was awesome. And then the kicker was not only the sell of the stunner, but I don't know if I threw him out of the ring or he ended up out of the ring, but to lay there selling, still guzzling the beer, the presence of mind to ad lib and improvise it like this is a moment without even thinking about it. I think he's amazing.

He's very entertaining. And as a human being, I like him a whole lot. Here's an off-the-record story. The second night that we were at Mania, I was just planning on drinking whiskey with my Broken Skull Sessions crew.

What? And so we had a bottle all lined up, and we were just going to drink during the show and show respect to the people that were working. Well, Vince called me into his room and said, Hey, man, would you come out and stun me, McAfee, and Theory? And I said, Sure. So I couldn't drink until after the show. Okay.

So the show happens. I go out there, stun all those cats. Brock Lesnar gets done with his match, the main event with Roman Reigns. And me and Brock have been wanting to bond together and have a few cocktails to begin with. And he goes, hey, man, you got anything? I said, yeah. I said, where are we meeting? He goes, my locker room.

So it was myself, Brock Lesnar, Larry, one of the trainers who's been there forever, you know Larry, and Pat McAfee. And we took down a fifth. We just passed the bottle around. At first we were drinking out of little cups. Then it just turned into the bottle. And we took down a fifth

of Maker's Mark in about an hour. And then we all went our separate ways. And I heard through the grapevine that a couple of those guys woke up with severe headaches. It's a bonding moment, you know, after a big show like that of four guys, and I just barely met Pat, but he was already one of the boys

because of his football background and how everybody in WWE has taken to him. And me and Brock's relationship goes back a long way, as does Larry's. So it was a good time, and that was one of my highlights of WrestleMania, a behind-the-scenes moment that I shared with you. Man, that was so fucking cool. Yeah. Hey, it was cool hearing him say that, you know what I mean?

That was cool hearing him say that. That's my first time seeing it. Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, I'm sure he had a great time. It sure sounds like it. No, we had a blast in there. There was numerous times I was looking around like, It's awesome. The mean, I'm sure he had a great time. It sure sounds like it. No, we had a blast in there. There was numerous times I was looking around like, the fuck am I doing this?

This is wild. Tell you what, it was good vibes in there, though. And Larry, I saw a lot of people tweeting me yesterday, we all wish we were Larry or something like that. It's like, well, I wish I was Larry. Larry's a fucking legend. Larry's been around WWE for like 25, 30 years as a trainer, so he's been on the road.

He's a West Virginia guy as well. I mean, he is absolute stud. But he's friends with everybody, play cards with everybody, do the whole thing. And obviously Brock and I have a hilarious friendship that I think people there's a photo of us in New York City that got out.

That got out during that whole thing. That is a friendship that I don't think anybody would have ever guessed to happen or expect to happen, but once it did, it's like, this is fucking... He is... He's one of one. Oh, yeah. Yes. Both of them are. Brock Lesnar's one of the boys, though.

When he came into the studio and obviously did the interview, that was at the beginning of us kind of getting to know each other or whatever. He's a great time. Brock hasck has always been very very good to me and brock has to live a vastly different life because of how like recognizable he is he is he's brock lesnar so like him right you see just like as wide as every door. Tall. Always has like cowboy hat on too.

So anywhere he goes it's immediately like if you don't know who it is you're immediately saying what the fuck is that? And then you're finding out. So like I think he doesn't let a lot of people into his world because of said thing. So getting a chance to become friends with Brock Lesnar has been a legendary thing that i'm very thankful for and he is a hilarious human being

absolutely hilarious human being and then all of a sudden because i got a text from brock it was like hey what are you doing and i was like i gotta fly back we got the show tomorrow whatever yeah he was like come through my locker room or whatever. So I go into his locker room, and Steve and Brock are sitting there, and there's like 50 beers in the cooler in the middle there, all Steve Weiser's beer there. And I come in. I'm like, oh, this is awesome. And I go to Steve.

I'm like, man, you stunned me, you son of a bitch, you know, Rav Snake. And they go, have a beer or whatever. So we like, I have one beer, and then we start talking about it all. And as I'm drinking it, I'm like, this is hilariously absurd. And then Larry comes in. I think he's the one who brought the bottle. I think he had the bottle from the whole thing. And then all of a sudden, it just started going.

Yeah, I guess this is what we're doing. It just started going. And it was. Got to finish it once you start it, right? Awesome, dude. It was incredible. And I didn't want to say anything to anybody ever. I didn't want to be the one that was like, yeah, I got boozed up.

Stone Cold Steve Austin and Bob Lesnar. In the middle of a Dallas Cowboy locker room, too, because we were at the Cowboy Stadium. So the locker room that Brock got was one of these monster locker rooms. Music playing, obviously, in the back. It was awesome. And I'm eternally grateful for this dumbass life that I get to live. And I appreciate the fact that the GOAT, you know, Steve, gives me a little bit of a how you doing.

And I'm very lucky that I can hopefully have a moment that I'll live on forever in both their minds as a super positive one. Absolutely. I think it was a good time, AJ. It was a good time. I'd say that's a good positive story you could hang on to. Everyone involved. That had to be, yeah. Yeah, I'd say. Especially the fact that it was in hang on to. Everyone involved. That had to be, yeah. Yeah, I'd say.

Especially the fact that it was in Dallas, too. Yeah. I'm thinking it was. Connor's over there thinking, yeah, that'll do. So we're done? Yeah. Jenny's over there like, yeah. Yeah.

That'll do. Anyways, I'm thankful. That was cool to listen, to hear. I heard that first time today, AJ. I heard that first time today. I guess it was from this weekend. That was a crazy moment. Happy we brought it up. Excited to acknowledge it. And then we move on to a massive

day tomorrow. We got Von Miller on. Here we go. We got Rap League meetings. Rap Sheet who, remember, let's enjoy it while we're at it. Yeah, while we're at it. Good point. Maybe.

Yeah, because he said he was happy Friday. He wasn't. No. Well, he's drunk in the back of a car that is sitting in a child seat that his wife is driving. That's true. With that other couple. Did a break this.

With Benny. I'm starting to think that we... I don't think he drinks as much as we think he does. Really? I think you're wrong. I think he boozes. When he was here, I think it probably only takes like one, maybe two drinks. Okay, you're saying it would be impossible for him to drink as much as we say he drinks.

Because if that was the case with his stature, he would be such a gone drunk, he would not be able to operate in the fashion that he does. You have to remember he used to look like Big Ben when he was rowing crew. Yep, true. He has drinking. That's his roots. He was on au jus. Sweet shades too. So sick. Days of the week, yes, but amount of alcohol.

Oh, you're saying his frequency, but just not the volume. You're saying he might have one drink a night. Right. Why do they wear singlets? Because you want to show unity. They said it makes their ball sacks look good. I mean, old buddy

three from the back. Does Ian just punk in this dude? Look at Ian's arms compared to the guy three back. So three back from the front or three? One, two, three. Third guy. It's the shades. Pete Davidson looking guy. Yep. Sure. Got it. Second guy looks like Maddow a little bit,

doesn't he? Yeah. What about the fourth guy? Could be Maddow. Maddow a little pissed off Bill there. Oh, five. Five and six. This team was nothing to fuck with, bro. No, no, no, no.

Fourth guy is Matt Damon. Is Ian 30 years older than everyone on his team? He's definitely on more au jus than everybody. Is there somebody in the front going, ho! Oh, yeah. Ho! Right in front of Ian. Ian's got a Rolex on. Yeah.

Well, I've got to keep it down. The South Mariner, yeah, you have to. Yeah, team captain wears it. Let's go to Tyler in Illinois on the 500 phone line. He's going to wrap up this glorious Monday. What's going on, Tyler? Hey, boys. How we doing?

Love it, Tyler. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Boom. Man, people struggle with that one. How we doing? Love it, Tyler. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Boom. Man, people struggle with that one. It's hilarious. Not you, though. Shit.

Hell no. No, no. Hey, not you, Tyler. Professional. Professional. Tyler, special. His last call on his Monday. Come on, now.

Hey, Tyler. Let's go. Hey. Hell yeah. All right. Congrats. First off, on everything, you guys are sweet. I'm ride or die.

You're sweet. No matter what platform, whatever you guys do. Thank you. We appreciate it. What if we sell out? Hell yeah, brother. Hey, I'm selling out with you. Oh.

Hell yeah, brother. Oh, my God. Sell out. Appreciate you, man. What's going on, Ted? Question. I've wondered for a while. You guys are talking about, you said the Saints had some dogs the other day.

A while ago, they signed Jamal Williams from Detroit, and I thought it was a big deal. I was all excited about that in the backfield, but I didn't hear anything from Foxy or anybody about it. You guys seem to like the word out there. Yeah, Tyler. Thank you for the call, Tyler. Yeah, I was pretty excited about it.

You guys haven't even mentioned it. I think it the call, Tyler. Yeah, I was pretty excited about it. And then you guys haven't even mentioned it. I think it's because Kamara. Yeah. So since Kamara's on a team and he's a running back, we just immediately, I think, assume that it's going to go through him. But Jamal was a touchdown scoring machine. Yeah, scored a lot of touchdowns. I think he had over 1,000 yards.

He's a great player, great locker room guy apparently. So, yeah, he was a good player for the Lions. We're going to miss him. Him and Eckler were, like, guaranteed touchdowns pretty much every single week. That's great news for the Saints. Yeah, awesome. They also drafted the kid from TCU, I believe, Kendre Miller, the running back. So it's kind of like a three-horse backfield.

What are they thinking down there? Kendre's also a touchdown machine. Yeah, he's a touchdown machine, too. Put them all in at the same time. Well, then take some hill. He can play running back. That's right. Maybe just don't even use Derek Carr.

Not a bad play. Is that what they're thinking? Possibly. What if Derek's running all over the place next year? Oh, that'd be sweet. He's got wheels. I don't know what Taysom was listed as last year, but he's definitely going to be listed as a tight end this year, just in case he has to come in and be the fourth quarterback or something along those lines. That is a little

nuance that we'll talk to Rap Sheet hopefully tomorrow about the new rule passing that you can have a third designated player on the active roster on Sundays. He's not allowed to play anything else, and he does not count as another spot that you can take away from offensive line, defensive line, or anywhere else. That's big news, and that comes from the NFC Championship having what happened to the San Francisco 49ers quarterback room happening. There's also a rule passing about Thursday night football

being able to be flexed twice between weeks 13 through 17, and they have to have a 28-day notice if you're going to get flexed. That's great news for everybody. Players are going to hate it. And then they're voting tomorrow on the most bullshit rule of all time that they need to not pass. Can't do that. It's Mickey Mouse.

Whoa! You can't say that. Oh, geez. Unless do that it's mickey mass whoa you can't say that oh geez unless you mean more unless you mean it's a really good thing yeah then what should you say i don't know that's i did bush league today a couple times it's nickelodeon yeah there it is yeah it's fucking who owns nickelode, CBS. Viacom. Fucking Bobby Cox. Who owns everything? Same people. Viacom owns a bunch of stuff.

AJ's buddy. Who? Bill Gates. Who's that? That's all formula. And more stuff came out about that. I'm surprised AJ didn't bring that up. All right.

That's your angle, Conman. That's not me. You're the one that always says it. Is this something I need to know, or are you guys making shit up? No. There was some other things. Definitely don't need to know right now. Oh, you guys are making stuff up.

No, no, no. No. Really? A couple tweets this weekend. I mean, I don't know if it's shocking. Pool party island stuff? It's not shocking. No, it's not.

But definitely, people are shedding more light on it. Whoa! Making the rounds. Really likes to play bridge. Yes, he does. Like shuttlecock? Seems like a fun game. No, that's badminton, Tony.

Okay. I'll look into it. I'm going to. Yep, you should. All right. What's my guess, huh? Yeah. Come on.

Come on. What are we doing? Merchants? 15 people get Microsoft computers. Okay. Do they make those still? Does Microsoft still make computers? I hope not.

Because of the story you heard? Well, who makes PCs? Who's using computers? What? Phil, you remember Phil's terrible computer that he had to use? Oh, yeah. Or chose to use? I guess part of his work day is telling him this shit don't work anymore. What? You remember Phil's terrible computer that he had to use? Oh, yeah. Or chose to use?

I guess part of his work day is telling him this shit don't work anymore. Say you're going to need to update. It's awesome. See if Phil is operating the first ever computer. Yeah. Currently to this day. Microsoft Surface would be the thing we give him. Oh, there it is. Of course.

We're not going to do that. The merges. Nope. How about a couple of merges? Ten merges. There it is. Of course. We're not going to do that. Some merches. Nope. How about a couple of merches? Ten merches. Ten merches. There you go. Merch Monday. Oh, no.

It is Merch Monday, isn't it? Yeah, Merch Monday. That one looked good. No, it didn't feel good, though. I've been doing a lot of upper body, AJ, trying to get jocked. Yeah. But I'm going to stop eating as much though You know what I mean By the time fall comes around and we're on every TV and every airport

I'm trying not to be a big fat stooge Exactly But I think I'm staring it down AJ Especially with this baby Don't you feel good though Arms feel jocked I feel very large though I mean every time I put something on, it's like very uncomfortable.

So it's like, I think you look good. Well, thank you, AJ. That means a lot. I look like a big fat stooge right now. Uh, I don't know the reason why I know that. During the release video of the ESPN thing, did you see it cut away to former versions of me in the same exact video? And you did that.

I was like, oh, I'm 30 pounds lighter right there. Jesus Christ. How come nobody's giving me a heads up about what happened to the face there you know what i mean just gotta get healthy i don't know gotta get i think you might be you may be a little overly critical yeah so i gotta get healthier though i gotta live better i gotta live longer i got a baby now you know what i mean yeah that's true yeah i get it i used to be like, fuck it. Right. Yeah, who cares? That'll do. Yeah. Keep going. Yep.

Bottom man. Wow. Come on. Ten merches. Clean. On this beautiful Monday. We can't thank you enough for joining us. All you got to do is retweet this video, say something nice to somebody, and put the, nope,

we'll reach out to you if you want. Yep. Have an incredible Monday. We'll be back tomorrow. AJ, great work today, AJ. Great work, Talks to the Table. Tie back for suspension. Great work today.

Hammer. He's in 15 minutes? 10. 10 minutes? Hey, good work in the back there. Hey, let it go. All right, everybody else, thank you all so much. Goodbye.