The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 911 - Michael Block, Buffalo Bills Head Coach Sean McDermott, Dana White, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

On today's show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the Celtics fending off elimination after beating the Heat in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Finals last night, the Las Vegas Golden Knights continuing to roll against the Dallas Stars by taking a 3-0 series lead, more on the NFL changing the kickoff rules, and everything else happening around the world of sports. Joining the progrum fresh off one of the best feel good stories of the year at the PGA Championship, PGA Club Pro, Michael Block stops by to chat about his whirlwind weekend, what the experience was like, his ace on 15, how he kept his cool, and more (29:40-42:09). Next, Head Coach and now Defensive Coordinator of the Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott joins the show to chat about how OTA's have been going so far, the Bills ultimate goals, calling defensive plays after not doing it for some time, his thoughts on the kickoff rules, and much more (1:03:54-1:30:46). Later, President of the UFC, Dana White joins the show to discuss tonight's Slap 2 event, what cards he has in the works, when we can possibly expect to see Jon Jones back in the Octagon, the blowback he received when taking the UFC to ESPN+, and more (1:50:48-2:09:33). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our Humble Abode, the Thunderdome. On this winter Wednesday, May 24th, 2023, this sports program starts right now. Sports are certainly happening right now, and we are covering it all. And last night, something changed the trajectory of history because there was a win by a team that hadn't had a win yet in a series and they weren't the only series that was just complete shutouts all four conference finals were complete blowouts until last night we can't thank the nba and the nhl for happening enough this has been a fantastic watch at evenings whenever we get to see incredible performances performed on ice and on the court

and those days are coming to an end quickly as these series are wrapping up. But one of them will be prolonged, at least another game, because the Boston Celtics were able to remember how to play basketball against the Miami Heat. Other than that, it's 3-0, 3-0, 4-0, everywhere else across the conference finals in sports. We'll be covering all of it. Pack show today. Pack, pack, pack show today. We'll be covering all of it. Pack show today.

Pack, pack, pack show today. We got Michael Block. Come on. The story of the PGA Championship this past weekend. Obviously, he was the course pro who was giving lessons a few years back. He's the reigning, defending, undisputed, I think, like professional PGA course pro person. Guy, yeah.

So he's the best golfer amongst the course pros. They're all certified by PGA. I believe that is certified resume legit. He got a chance to go play with the big boys. Yeah, he did. And he performed magnificently. Yes, he did. He did a hole-in-one on PGA Championship Sunday.

Whenever everybody was talking about it, he's got to collapse at some point. It was way too much pressure. Mitch Hompianship Sunday, whenever everybody was talking about it, he's got to collapse at some point. There's way too much pressure. He was cool as a cucumber, this fucking guy, out of Iowa. Missouri? Yeah, Missouri, Iowa. Currently in California.

Went to Mississippi State for college. Super cool dude, it seems like. Can't wait to chat with him in about 15 minutes. Coach Sean McDermott of the Buffalo Beals will join us in the second hour. Back-to-back days with Buffalo Beals on the program. Good to see Von Miller yesterday.

Great to talk with Coach McDermott today. Haven't talked to him in like a year or so. Yeah, been a while. What's up, man? He's taking over a little bit more control

of the defense, if you do recall, because Leslie Frazier kind of stepped away in a time that we didn't really expect that. Did he expect that? How excited is he

to be back hands-on? And also, Lamar Hamlin was running drills. You've seen this guy die yeah this is a guy you love you had to handle an entire i mean that's quite in a piece of adversity when your teammate dies on a football field and then in the middle of the season for it to happen you don't know what's going to take place and then everything follows afterwards how did you got to ship i thought he did a fantastic job that did as did zach taylor with cincinnati

bangles in the same exact situation can't wait wait to talk to Coach Sean McDermott. And then Dana White will join us. Come on. Yeah, that thing where they're popping each other right in the mouth. Yeah. The super slap. That's happening. They have won tonight.

Two 400-pounders are about to strap themselves to a table and smack each other right in the fucking mouth. One of them is 400-plus, so I'm assuming like 405. Soft-ass 400 pounds. Yikes. There's a 488 pound human tonight that's stepping into the slap batter's box.

What is that called? Yeah, the slapper's box. The slapper's box. This is going to get hundreds of millions of views. It's going to. We can't wait to hear what Daniel's up to, what he's been up to, what he's chatting about. Obviously, Power Slap 2 is happening this evening. He'll be wanting to chat about that. I think UFC

obviously has a card this weekend. And also, I can't wait to ask him about the initial reaction from his particular fans whenever he decided to take the UFC to ESPN+. That's a good question. I'm pumped to hear his UFC to ESPN+. Oh, that's a good question. Sell out.

I'm pumped to hear his answer to that. Yeah, me too. I think I'm going to get a motivational speech from Dana White probably. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking. And he also cut a promo about the PFL and Bellator teaming up.

I'm excited to hear his thoughts on how the business is kind of changing, especially with Ngannou signing over there. Jon Jones is back. Seems to be active and talking again because after his last win, which came very quickly, very easily to make him the champion again after a two-year hiatus or whatever, I guess

he just went missing for a couple weeks and just kind of went back into his family time probably, we would guess, and then he's come out of that. What's next for that? What about Conor and Chandler? What are we thinking about that? Ultimate fighters around the corner. Conor McGregor seemingly getting back into the octagon. Here we go. What are we thinking?

Where are we thinking? How are we thinking? Should be a good conversation. And we'll also take your phone calls on the 5RNG phone line. 1-833-432-3663 or 1-833-4-DADOME. All the boys are here. Talks to the table. That boss Conor and that time Schmidt.

One half of the hammer. Cowboys turn. Diggs is here. And 14-year NFL icon. Corner for and punt returner for the Titans. What? Cowboys. What?

Bengals. What? Broncos. What? Pac-Man Jones. Yeah. Great to see you, Pac. And before we dive into how cool you look today.

Yeah, my gosh. Top notch. Holy shit. It's absurd. You see one of your closets this morning said, where's the fucking coolest thing I got? And that's what you came up with? Yeah.

You look super cool. Makes sense. You do look super cool. Hey, my boy Foxy look really cool back there too, though. Yeah, you're right. You got to give him his flowers back there. Yeah, you're right. Foxy's got a sweet pull, though. He's both parts of the. Yeah, you're right. You got to give him his flowers back there. Yeah, you're right. Foxy's got a sweet pull though.

He's both parts of the drug transaction. That's right. He's selling and buying at a certain time and a certain place. And he looks so cool. Foxy's so ridiculously handsome. And the way he's built is like a mannequin. He would have been a great fashion model,

I would believe. He looks incredible in this thing. This needs to be the new Foxy here. Yeah, come on, Fox. Yeah, you know, I woke up this morning and I in this thing. This needs to be the new Foxy here. I woke up this morning and I decided, how do I ruffle everyone's feathers in the office? It's so simple. It's the simplest thing ever. You just wear a new t-shirt. That's all you got to do is wear a new shirt.

You don't ruffle. Oh, no. You ruffle everyone's feathers. In fact, everyone turns into a stand-up comedian whenever you wear a new shirt or new clothing. Nah. Don't say everyone. Sounds like we're ruffling your feathers, Foxy.

Yeah, we're complimenting you, dude. Don't say everyone. And also, the only thing ruffling anybody's feathers is when you just put two water bottles directly in front of a camera that's shooting five. Yeah, I actually didn't put those there. I don't know who put those there. I mean, that was...

Yeah, I can tell you who it was, yeah. All right, thanks, Mitt. Answer those questions right here, baby. Keep it going, Mitt. It's your best friend right here, baby. Keep it going, Mitt. He's saying hi, Mitt. I'm fucking happy he's taking care of himself. He's back there. Bruce is back there.

Obviously, Dirty. Erbo's in the building. You know, Herbie's dead. Mitt's here. And Backport's barber, JC, cut the hairs today. We can't thank them enough. But let's talk about something that happened last night in the sports world. Because there was a first happening right in front of our eyes. History was

being made. Things that would say hasn't been since 2023 was taking place. All the conference finals for both the NBA and the NHL were clean sweeps. 3-0, 3-0, 3-0, 3-0. And obviously at 3-0 became 4-0 when Lakers got fucking swept out of the building in their building.

That came out of nowhere. LeBron and the Lakers swept at home. Oh, that's 4-0. Is there a chance that all these are going to go? Well, there's no way that the Hurricanes, Panthers continue to go. That's gone overtime a couple times. It's like, still? 1-0.

Vegas Golden Knights and Dallas Stars, something's got to happen. I don't want to fuck up with Stoner. I mean, they're going to keep going. And then the Heat and the Celtics hold on. Are the Celtics just going to get boat-raced out of the fucking conference finals? There's a chance. For records to happen, in history to take place, the Celtics would have had to lose four straight.

Mazzola, this guy who can't coach, doesn't know anything, got Doc Rivers fired last year. Loves the town. Has no idea what he's doing. Watches the town four times a day so he can buy into the culture up there. Get him out and run him out of town. They win a game last night and ruin it all. Connor, how come you guys have to ruin everything?

We had a chance for history to take place, and you guys go and decide to win a game, 116-99. Not a bad performance. Now you're eight-point favorites in the next game. What are they saying? You guys ruined a chance at history, though, Connor. And I understand you're probably happy about it, but I like watching history.

I like being a part of it, even if it's going to cause a nine-day hiatus for sports because nobody could have expected this TV-wise, arena-wise, and everything like that. You guys ruined it. You ruined it last night. Well, you've got to think a bit like this, Pat, okay? Yeah, we were down 3-0. And Boston has seen this before in 2004 against the Yankees. And we came back first team ever in baseball history to come back 3-0.

That happened? Yep. To advance. Broke the curse. Yep. Reverse the curse. Grind slime games. Yep.

Have you guys won one since then? Yeah. Okay. So you're past it as well. Well, I still have nightmares about that for sure. Sox have won four since then too. Yeah. Or including that one because they actually won those four straight games

and they won four more straight games and swept the Cardinals. First ever in World Series, that'll be down 3-0 and come back and win? First ever in baseball history. Wow! Never to happen before again. Pretty crazy. Crazy. In the crowd of the game last night, Derek Jeter, captain of that 2003 team.

And some people I saw on the internet were saying, you know, history does repeat itself, and sometimes it doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. And last night, we saw a lot were saying, you know, history does repeat itself. And sometimes it doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. And last night, we saw a lot of rhyming. Okay, yeah. Maybe it would have been cool for everyone to get swept. Because guess what? That means less sports for us.

It's actually not cool. Okay, what would be cool. It's history, though. What we're talking about is history. Iconic. We're going to have history once again. And that's when the Boston Celtics, Joe Mazzulla, the boys, Tatum, Brown, Horford, Marcus Smart, Bob Williams, Time Lord, when they come back 3-0.

Oh, shit. And they win four straight games, which, mind you, Pac-Man, which. I don't think he believes. He doesn't agree. Celtics have won four straight games, I think, six-plus times this season. It's not something that they're, you know, it's unheard of to do for this team. And you know what they haven't done? They've never lost four straight games, I think six plus times this season. It's not something that they're, you know, it's unheard of to do for this team. You know what they haven't done? They've never lost four straight games.

Now, granted, yes, Connor, they only had to lose one more game to lose the series. I get that. But we figured something out. They're on game point. They're on game point. Exactly. You can't make a single mistake. This is Redemption Cup.

Not one bad quarter where all of a sudden that hoop looks smaller than everything else. Not one game out of Tatum where he's refusing to take a shot. Not one Joe Mizzoula timeout. Not one of those. You've got to bat a perfect game for the rest of this thing. Never happened in NBA history. They said it. Yeah, it never happens, but those things are meant to be broken.

It never happened until it does. That's what they say. And let's think about this too That is true, isn't it? Absolutely. We can't have a bad quarter. We were down by nine in the third quarter with, I think, seven minutes to go. And then who comes alive? Jason Tatum.

He scores 25 points in the second half. The first game he don't hit a – the first time in the whole series he don't hit a fucking jumper. Absolutely. Also, the first time in the whole series at the Miami Heat I've missed. This is the first time they've shot under 48% from three-point line. Are they okay? Is everything okay? Well, that's the thing.

Basketball is a bit of a streaky sport. You know, shooters get hot, and then they get cold. In the first three games, I'll say it. I'll be the first one to say it. They were hot, and the Boston Celtics were cold. Very cold. Losing by 30. Getting killed.

Nice prayer. Not even losing. Blowing leads. Being up by 15. Being up by 13. Yeah. And then the Miami Heat coming out, scorching hot on the other side. And they ended up winning those first three.

And it wasn't pretty. No. By any means. But you can't tell me when you watch game one, game two. Game three was a blowout. Start to finish. Wire to wire. Blowout.

Game one, game two, we were, what, six minutes away from winning both those? Probably should have. Oh, here we go. People might have. Oh, we we go. People might have. Oh, we were looking at those games all wrong. Yeah, exactly. Especially now that you've got a win. Bingo.

We're right there on the edge. Come on, boys. And now we're going back to Boston, okay? Game five. We're shipping up to Boston. Whoa! Shipping up to Boston. Whoa!

And, you know, T's and P's to Shaq and Chuck because they were pissed because, you know, the Heat won last night. Their season's over. It's all ESPN. Shaq is probably in Indiana right now preparing for his sweet set in the snake pit because we know Diesel's going to bring it. Oh, Diesel's going to bring it. He always does.

Has Diesel ever not brought it? No, never. That's kind of the whole part of the Dees. Exactly. And now I hate to be the bearer of bad news for the Ds. Sorry about it. But the Celtics are going to win game five at home in Boston. So it's going to six or seven?

In game six is Saturday. In Ds, I think, is performing Sunday. So he's going to have a long couple-day trip because guess what? What? After Sunday, game seven's on Monday. Oh, wow. That's a three-day run there for Ds. Yeah, Memorial Day night. Who says no? Not me. Not anybody in Boston. Oh, wow. That's a three-day run there for D's. Yeah, Memorial Day night. Who says

no? Not me. Not anybody in Boston. No, no. Boston already fired Joe and got rid of everybody, right? Guess what? That's the thing. Jalen and Jason, they don't play. Just the same way that shooters are streaky and they go hot and cold, fans are too. Especially in Boston when you're losing, but they're hot now.

And we know Joe Mazzullo, he's going to not only win this series, he's going to figure out Joker. One half of the hammer. Cowboys, good gumbler. I was just thinking, Connor, two seed and eight seed, normally if that was a matchup that was happening, you'd think, hey, that'll probably be a sweep by the Boston Celtics.

Who says they can't win four in a row and sweep the heat? Thank you, Tony. Yeah, they're eight-point favorites. Seems like the books have faith that they're going to go back to Boston and figure it out. Let's do it. Oh, okay. Hey, they should do... Actually, thank you to the Celtics for doing this. Got a spot in Miami?

Yeah, because the other one, we got nothing on the West. Nothing. Because the Joker did his thing. So now it's just all eyes on... Thank you, Celtics. You guys are going to win them on. Thank you, Celtics. Yeah, thank you. You guys are going to win them all. Probably by 15-20.

Now that you said that, that's probably what they were thinking. You know what? Hey, guys. No one's going to be thinking about the Nuggets versus the Lakers anymore. It's just us. Our show. It's our time. Joe Mazzola, younger coach, too, thinking about content.

Oh, yeah. Let's go down. Let's become the first team. You guys see what's going on in the West? What's that? Joker's running through them. Let's wait until it's just our what's going on in the West. What's that? Junkers running through them. Let's wait until it's just our time. Our time. You know what I mean?

It's just us on TV every other night. Like at Bunker Hill. Don't shoot until you see the white of their eyes. And that's exactly what we did. They did. They got real close, didn't they? I mean, they got real close. Me to you.

And then they started firing off. Who's that? Boston. Guess who's going to win this battle? Boston. Boston has done a lot in the history of the United States, both in the real world and the sports world. Well, America was born in Boston.

In Massachusetts, specifically. What was that place, the Rock? Plymouth Rock. There it is. Wasn't that more so the place? Those people were scumbags, though. Yeah, certainly. Pilgrims?

I understand Plymouth is a mass, but Boston just like first. Was that the first big city, Boston? No, New York, right? I think it was Boston, and then it was Philadelphia. Philadelphia was the capital. Philadelphia was the capital. But if everybody's coming through that rock right there, you'd assume that they're potentially going to just post up in a similar spot.

Or they'd come through the rock and then move? They came through the rock, yeah, and then everyone started going, depending on who you believe in, how many wives you can have, all that type of stuff. Quakers, Mormons, everyone just kind of did their own thing. When did the... Long? No, the New York

entrance. What's that called? Ellis Island. When did that become just the, hey, this is how this goes? He's saying that New Amsterdam, which aka Manhattan, was created in the mid-1620s. Boston was 1630. Yeah, city wasn't established. We landed in 1492 because

Columbus sailed the Opie. He did. Ocean Blue. We all know that, but he landed in Manhattan. Not everybody. I mean, there's a lot of question marks around that whole story. And Christopher Columbus himself. Some people say he's a murderer. Now, around that whole story. There is. And Christopher Columbus himself. Some people say he's a murderer. Now, I am not in a position to say that. Here's the thing about back in the day, and I don't love it.

I wish they were nicer. Me too. I think there's a lot of bad people back then. That's the safe assumption. Imperialism. We've got to keep getting better, don't we? That's right. 100%.

We've got to keep getting better. Just like the Boston Celtics. They need to get better a lot. Big time. They won by 17. We just need to play our game. Your colony was founded Connecticut 1633. Delaware 1631. That's an island, isn't it? Delaware kind of is out there. Yeah.

Rhode Island. Rhode Island, yeah, is out there. Really? I thought Delaware... Delaware is connected like Maryland. Yeah, which one's down there? Really? I thought Delaware. Is Delaware? Delaware is connected like Maryland. Yeah, which one's down there? I didn't know Delaware was down that low. I think I thought Delaware was up there. I was assuming it was up here, Vermont kind of.

It's not. It's down over yonder. So that was probably a point where I'd assume, right? Yeah, the Baltimore Bay. Is that a thing? I just know there's water near it. Chesapeake Bay. There it is.

Anyways, Boston's coming back. Boston's coming back. And, you know, you keep going down. Boston's 1620. Virginia is 1607. Well, that's impossible. Roanoke. Yeah, Roanoke was the first colony.

Oh, yeah. Colony, sure. And that's why D.C. So they just organized what it was first? Is that what we're thinking? And who knows? Right? Yeah.

No idea. I mean, who knows? Right? Yeah. No idea. I mean, who knows? 1633? Yeah, they got pictures. Okay. Yeah. I'm thinking there's some question marks. Bingo. Still killing witches. How do they know? Yeah, I mean... Hey, we just gotta get better. Exactly. Just keep getting better.

We're trying. We are. Aren't we? Every day. Doing what we can. I got that electrical vehicle. Exactly. Boom. S better. We're trying. We are. Aren't we? Yeah. Every day. Doing what we can. I got that electrical vehicle. Exactly. Boom. Saving the world, right? There you go. What?

What? Electric vehicles. Nothing. Oh, yeah. You can't drive them. What? Are you speechless because of how great they are? Well, you don't go far on yours. You're not supposed to.

They've been lying for 10 years about that whole thing. Oh, yeah. But also, I found out about the battery. And I don't know if I'm saving the world anymore. Yeah. What does illicit means to getting those batteries? Okay, yeah, whatever. Sometimes there's a price to pay to save the world.

That's a great quote from, like, a superhero movie, for sure. Yeah. But, like, whenever you buy one of those and you just grindstand on how you're saving the world, which I did, I wouldn't be able to take it to Pittsburgh, but I would travel to Pittsburgh. Exactly.

And I would hop in Nick Suby, and he would have to turn that thing on. I'm like, do you even care? Kill the environment. Do you even care about the world at all? No, you don't. This was back original OG version of Tesla or whatever. Only got it so i

could say that now once you get inside of it's like well this performance is faster and quicker than all these super expensive cars it seems like it can last a pretty good distance uh can't travel anywhere outside about 10 miles right need to do that you know just plug it in at home or whatever yeah and then here we are 10 years later and just uh found out that's not the question that's not yeah it's not about that what'd you find out that's your later and just found out? That's not the question. It's not about that. That's what I was saying.

This is what I was saying. And then we find out them finding the batteries. Where they're going to dig the batteries up. And how they go about doing it. I guess it's not been great for society. Not great. I didn't know that those batteries just grew underground. You just had to dig them up and put them in cars.

Yeah, like carrots. Oh, so they're like farms, you're saying. Yeah. Seems like it. Oh, like Bitcoin. Didn't they come from farms? When I found out that was how Bitcoin, like you had got to mine for something that doesn't exist? Yeah, I don't fully understand the mining.

Internet mining. Yeah, we know you know. Of course. Yeah, we know that you fully understand. Yeah, I've seen shiny flakes on Netflix. There was people full-time jobs, splunking for Bitcoin. Oh yeah, all day, every day.

And they were using so much power. So much power. To do this, that they were saying, you are killing the world with what you're doing. Electric car batteries destroying some cities. You're showing the manufacturing. A typical EV battery can result in higher carbon emissions compared to gasoline cars.

All right, see? Yeah, but that's the thing with Google. I mean, that's stats. What are you wowing back there? Drug dealers. I'm learning a lot about these electric cars. I thought you were talking about me in general. This is still old. I thought you were talking about me in general. This is bullshit. Still also

has a mention. Why would I use gas cars? The people work better anyway. You had the right intentions. Yeah, you had the right intention. Thank you. Intention should be thought about. Yes. With new information comes new thoughts. New responsibility. Also, the car is awesome. It is awesome. Can we just ship them on an

Astro, like a rocket ship and just get out of the world? What's that? All the bad batteries? So we want to take out more batteries. Oh, is it the batteries? We don't know what to do with it? Or is it how we make them? It's the mining.

The procurement of the batteries. I believe getting the potatoes of the earth out of there. Blood batteries. Boom. Yeah. Imagine if getting batteries was horse racing and instead of horses, they were there. Blood batteries. Boom. Yeah. Imagine if getting batteries was horse racing and instead of horses

there were kids. Let's go. And when the kids make it around the track and some of them don't make it, what do they do to the horses? There's some terrible stories

coming out. There's some terrible stories coming out of getting those batteries. Intentions, though, were very sound. So all this is bullshit? What's going on here?

Everything, Foxy. Seems like the whole everything. It's a forgaze. Everything that we encounter on a day-to-day seems like potentially bullshit. It's like you should all just switch to diesel. Okay, that's certainly an idea. It's a great idea. Do you have any diesel?

Yeah. You have a diesel truck? 350. Diesel. Car or truck? Truck. Those things are loud. There's another option that you can't really bring up these days.

A bike? What is it? Horse and buggy? Sure. Or hydrogen. Take it easy. Are we talking about how people come up with water-fueled cars and then as soon as they do that, they die?

Yeah. Oh, I remember that. because there was an answer allegedly that water could potentially do this whole thing one guy and change the whole world yeah not just one guy i know well i do like the fact that the electric thing the reason why it all happened is because like i think if the story is accurate because those teslas when they came out were stupid like i enjoy cars i've always liked cars i've always hoped that i could get into a position where I could enjoy cars. I don't know enough about them to do a full fucking car podcast, but I at least look at cars and go, oh, that's a nice car. I like that car.

So I bought the Tesla because it was supposed to be the best thing of all time. Then you get in, it's like – Pretty sweet. This car is the best car of all. It's beating Lambos and Ferraris and all those cars off the line because there's no gear. So it's like the fastest golf cart in history. It's just like you go zero, 260, like actually like that. And I actually got car sick because the amount of Gs that you feel

because there is no gear or buildup. It's just like zero, fast, and everybody could cut, do that whole thing. And then allegedly what happened when the patent came up on all the design, Elon just like let it out. And was like, I think he said that if you were on a ship that was sinking and had a bunch of holes and you could figure out, and you figured out how to plug the holes, you would want everybody else to know that. And he was talking about earth and everything like that, saving the earth. And so now that's why like Mercedes has one, GM has one. They're all kind of using the same exact thing from the first Tesla. So they are filthy and they're sick.

So when did we learn about the getting of the batteries maybe being a big... After? I don't know. You know? Recently. Recently. I'm guessing we've known for a while and we didn't fucking care. We didn't find out until way after.

I have a little faith in humanity. I have to. We're't find out until way after. Have a little faith in humanity. You know what I'm saying? We're saving the world. Well, I'm just saying, there's a good chance we just didn't give her. I think we found out after you purchased, like weeks after you purchased yours. I had one like 10 years ago, though. That's what I'm saying. So, I don't think

we found out 10 years ago. No, no, after you purchased the last one. Yeah, this one, very overpriced, too, but you can walk it sideways. Exactly. That's cool. LeBron James doing this thing. That thing's awesome. That thing looks awesome. So sweet. Take that thing into war, allegedly. Tires won't go flat. The thing can drive

sideways. What? It's electric powered. What? You're saving the world. What? Same performance as the Tesla, they said. And it does. It's unbelievable. Can't drive it more than 10 miles. It's going to be tough. Got to stay in a real tight area. Which you do. And to make that battery that's powering all those incredible things.

Might be some shit going on. Speaking of some shit going on, in the Las Vegas Golden Knights series against the Dallas Stars, in which the Vegas Golden Knights are absolutely schlapping Gumpy's Texas hockey team. It is a current bloodbath happening in the Western Conference Finals of the NHL.

Last night, first period, I believe, there was some disrespectful shit happening to our guy Stoner. Yeah, I'd say. I think the hockey gods saw it, obviously. That stuff can't fly, especially with Stoner. What happened last night, and why is anybody letting this fly? Kick him off the tour, Doug. Especially to the guy that he did it to.

Yeah, there is a chance that I think that he, Jamie Benn, the Stars captain, that he will be suspended. This guy's wearing a C on his chest? Oh, yeah. He's wearing a C. So, Golden Knights score very early. I mean, we're talking maybe like a minute and 45 seconds into the game. So, hot start for the boys. Everyone was saying, you know, hey, Dallas has got a very tough barn to play in.

A lot of greens. A lot of greens in there. And, boy, did the Golden Knights just take the air out of their sails almost immediately. So, right after that, you know, Stoner gets cross-checked. I mean, it looked a little like they kind of bumped into each other. So, like the hit itself from Jamie Benn, I don't think, was super malicious. But Stoner goes down to the ice, and then Jamie Benn goes down on top of him

with his stick towards Stoner's neck and his head and kind of drives it into him. Pig. Yeah. Absolute pig. You know, it's okay, though. To Stoner? To Stoner. Yeah.

You see Stoner on that jersey, right? Exactly. Because he's on his back. Oh, yeah. He knows exactly who he's doing that to. And I think Stoner probably wanted to get up and knock his fucking teeth out, but he said, hey, you know what? I know the boys are going to be fucking riled up by this.

Didn't even have to say anything. Just looked over at Jackie Aces and just said, now we go. Now we go, okay? And they did. And they did. Jamie Bent, boom, gets a five-minute major. He gets tossed from the game right away. Vegas scores three goals within like eight minutes in the first period.

Just absolutely routes the Stars. And then those classless pieces of shit in the fans. In the green? Yeah, oh, yeah. They start throwing popcorn and shit on the ice at Aiden Hill because he's standing on his fucking head and they're pissed off that Otter got chased out of the game six minutes into the first period. I mean, look at this.

Just wait. Yeah, that's okay. That's a hockey hit. Into his face. What is that about? Guy's head's on the ice. He's had two back surgeries in the last fucking eight months. That's fucking Stoner. He's trying to break Stoner's neck. Captain on captain. Oh my God. Just can't have that.

I know hockey's physical you said then after that happened so dallas fans see what their captain their face did exactly to stoner right and then they they start throwing stuff on the ice at the end of the game have you not done enough a little bit later so it was in the uh at the very end of the second period and the the they actually had to send all the boys off the ice with 15 seconds left clean it up when they came back out for the third period they played the remaining 15 seconds and then started the third

period because they're just these classless pieces of shit are just throwing stuff at our boys what's their deal I don't get it hey sorry Gump yeah exactly I wasn't happy about it why would you do that well Gump was the one that sent the bird call to all the Stars fans I know he's run a couple of these burner counts down there and he goes, everything's on the ice now, lads, and they just started fucking throwing it.

They did. Get your camp in order. It's just, you know. Oh, my God. It is. I mean. Head hunting with popcorn. Exactly.

You can't have it. You can't do it. But again, you said hockey gods, karma. The Golden Knights absolutely beat the fucking breaks out of the Stars last night. Wasn't eating again. Yeah, and I'm afraid the stars may be dead. Sorry, Gumpy. I mean, I'm not going to, you know.

We're not sorry, actually, for the class. You know what? You're right. You're right. You're absolutely right. You reap what you sow. They said in that book that has more copies sold than anything. That's exactly right. And you know what?

When you act like a piece of shit, usually shitty things are going to happen to you. Sorry. That's exactly what happened last night. Especially to Stoner, Pac. Stoner is the first ever captain of the Golden Knights. I texted him. I said, you should have met that motherfucker back there in the back after this one.

That was a fucking dirty ass play. I should have texted him that, but hey, we got the win. They're at home. We're moving on. What, Stoner too classy? Yeah, I mean, Stoner cares about the game more than, you know, some petty, you know, getting back at some guy. He didn't give a shit about that.

He's trying to win. He's trying to hoist Lord Stanley. He's the actual C. He's the actual C. Yeah, exactly. It's not some pomp and circumstance that he's stitching on before the game like Jamie Benn maybe did. And, you know, I hope he enjoys the next game from his fucking couch or wherever he's at because he's not going to be on the ice. Yeah, maybe.

He shouldn't be on the ice. He should be playing for the Wheeling Nailers. Yeah. Get him out of here to kill. Trying to kill Stoner. Ridiculous. Yeah, it made me sick to my stomach. Luckily, I only had to watch like nine minutes of that game last night because it was over

quickly, which was awesome. I will say I fell asleep both games last night because we had somebody watching a baby, so we tried to steal some hours of sleep. Back on night shift this evening. Excited to see how that pans out going forward. The whole game over, fall asleep, nice. It was four, I think,

when I fell asleep last night. Now, hockey does have the ability to catch up there. Hockey is fantastic. That game appeared to be pretty much out of reach. And then when I woke up, it was the same exact score. I actually guessed like a 5-6 maybe was it because empty netter at the end or maybe something like that. It remained at 4.

Did the rest of the game seem the exact same way or you didn't watch it as I fell asleep? Yeah, I just read the recap after. It's kind of one of those things where you just wake up in the morning and look at it and hope that, hey, hopefully they didn't lose. But when Otter got chased so early, I was like, what are we going to lose to their backup goaltender? I don't think so.

I don't think so. So the Vegas Golden Knights are potentially going to sweep the Dallas Stars. Gumpy was a quick, swift ending to a hell of a season by the Stars. I don't like the way you guys ended it, but I'm sure next year you'll be able to get back to some class on the ice. Speaking of class, how about some class on a golf course? This past weekend we were introduced to a man that obviously none of us knew. This guy was a course pro, a PGA professional in California.

Then he came second in a tournament or number one overall in the overall series or whatever. Absolute stud. And then he stole all of our hearts. When not only did he perform at a level in which the professionals would be honored to perform at, but because of the way he handled it all with incredible class and a sly confidence that was worthy of saying that dude's charisma is fantastic. Ladies and gentlemen, our new favorite golfer, Michael Block. What's up, dude?

What's going on, boys? How you doing? Hey, not as good as you, I don't think, but I will let you know this. Watching all weekend, as we all do with golf, the way you handled it all was fantastic. You never seemed to be, you're always super thankful for the moment. It felt genuine.

It felt like you loved the sport, loved the game. You were very thankful, but you weren't scared either. Hey, you weren't fucking scared either, which is why I think we all loved everything about it so thank you for your service this past weekend when you're in there what are your thoughts as it's starting to get built up because i think a lot of people were expecting maybe the pressure to mount too much and you to change the way you play have you always been this way and what were the thoughts going into saturday and into sunday in a real conversation there well i'm glad I didn't look scared because I definitely was first off but uh yeah I was

definitely uh crapping my pants out there man but uh no in reality uh it was my game it's just my normal game and and I've learned over the last about year to just uh be yourself and it's really helped me under those moments uh when I'm playing against the best players in the world, because normally I play like that, but then I come play against the tour pros and I play like crap. So it's changed a lot. It's huge. I played with Rory and Justin on the weekend. They were both class sacks and super cool to me, which is huge, right? I mean, if I played with that, I don't know who's a, who's not nice out here, but if I was with one of them, it probably would have been maybe a little different but uh i was out there in the rochester fans i wanted to make the putts and the shots for the fans i mean i wanted to hear

the roar uh you know i'm usually the fan i'm usually the guy out there drinking the beer watching that watching the athletes right and i've made that comparison a lot where it's you know you guys are just talking about hockey it's like literally like one of the fans up there drinking a beer and the coach calls them out of the stands, hey, come down here and we got a penalty shot in the seventh game of the Stanley Cup and you score. I mean, that's what golf gives you and it's unlike any other sport. So the NHL had a goalie that was a janitor who was put into a game out of relief like a few years back. I think you let one in and then nothing afterwards or whatever. So I respect and appreciate your analogy there

because I guess it was a little bit different. Like he had talent. That's why he was the emergency. You have so much talent. And I actually talked about this while your story was developing. It's like I feel like I've had a chance to go to a lot of courses that have the pro there. And I normally try to strike up a conversation

or I see them on the range and they're fucking hitting everything. It's like the swing is perfect. And I go, hey, why aren't you, just as an amateur and a noob and everything, I'm like, why aren't you in there? The pros, it's so much different. It's so much different.

Is that a real thing? Is that what you guys tell yourself? Or what is the big difference between the way, I guess you hit the ball lower than the other people. Like, I was trying to figure out why you can't do this every fucking weekend now. Honestly, I'm trying to figure that out. No, I mean, last weekend I was making a ton of putts the first three holes. That putter's a weapon of mine.

I think I was six overall for the tournament in putting. So when you putt really well, I mean, you can save rounds. You don't have to play great to shoot a 70 and then when you do play great you're going to shoot something in the mid 60s so that thing saved my butt so many times it's crazy so having that thing's huge uh i don't drive it that far you know compared to these guys like if you saw me drive you'd be like holy crap yeah yeah he bombs it but compared to these guys out here rory absolutely was crushing to buy me and i was just you just ignoring it.

I'm lucky enough to have a kid. My 18-year-old hits it 60 yards by me every night of my life. So, Ultra, I'm comfortable with that. I'm comfortable with the shortness at this point. Yeah, you don't get intimidated by the show. All good. Don't be sorry about anything. You're good.

You're handling it perfectly. Look at you. You just hit the fuck you button on whoever that was. Now you're right back in it. I mean you you're handling this thing perfectly but i i understand the distance might be different but like it feels like every shot you had to hit you hit that up and down on 18 with like 15th overall for you to be in next year's tournament which i assume you knew that rule whenever you're going into this you being able to hit that with all those people, you didn't know that. I would have missed the pot. I would have gotten, I wouldn't have gotten up and down in 17 and 18 if I would have known where I was.

No, come on. Give yourself more credit. You're a fucking player, Mike. You're a player. No, I mean, no, I, maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. I really don't know. I was, I was not looking at leaderboards during the week. I didn't want to get caught up in that and get ahead of myself because I've gotten ahead of myself a lot in the past, and it's never been a good thing, ever. So I was really trying to be present and in the moment. And I'm telling you, I was just – I was more all about –

I wasn't thinking about the money or, oh, is this putt worth this or that. It was about, man, those fans were absolutely fun. And as a sports fan that like I am, I'm a fan of everything in sports. And for me to be there and to have them cheering for me, I didn't care what it was for, honestly. I just wanted to make the putt because I knew they were going to go nuts. Man, knowing that that moment is on the horizon is an incredible piece of self-awareness.

That shot on 18, for you to do that, when you're surrounded by the fans that you're playing for. That's like a really symbolic moment. I assume that poster is going to be a good one. I hope you have it up in your office. Speaking of office, before the boys have some questions, we did some math. I know in the interview you did

while you were walking and talking, so cool. Handled that easily, by the way. Then actually hit a good shot afterwards. As opposed to like clearing the green, waiting, doffing one with all eyes on. You actually did. I think you birdied while you're doing talk. You got it.

You're a dog, dude. You need to know you're an absolute dog. You won $288,000. I appreciate that. Hey, no problem. You won $288,000. Okay? Congratulations.

We're not pocket watching but kind of so we are you said you don't have to do as many lessons anymore because you've won a couple golf tournaments that's been able to make up for some of the lessons time well let's just say you were still doing lessons 150 lessons right each an hour long that would be uh 1920 lessons is what you would have had to do to win that 288 000 earn that hunt that is 115 200 minutes okay of working to get that 280 000 which would be a 80 day straight period of giving lessons in that entire thing and now you place 15th in a tournament with the greatest golfers in the world and you make that you should be incredibly proud of yourself, man. Honestly, from a professional standpoint, you should be proud of yourself.

And also, why didn't we do this a long time ago? Why didn't we do this a long time ago? You sound like my wife now. That's amazing. Why is it, though, you think? It's been good. Well, I was trying to act unlike me. I played in, I don't know, 22 of these PGA Tour events.

I played in, I think, five other majors. And I was acting all stiff and quiet and trying to talk perfect when I was getting interviewed and trying to be this person that I'm not. And, you know, I'm like, a year ago, my wife's like, dude, what are you doing? She's like, just be you. Just you have fun. You like to talk. You like to shake hands you like to give hugs you like to party you like to do things you so i'm just being me that's all i'm doing i'm just having fun as hell and for some reason people like that uh so it's cool yeah i feel i'm very honored you're

a human to have it yeah yeah you're a human out there. I'm very honored to have it. Yeah, you're a human out there, bro. That's what it felt like the entire thing. It's like, hey, that's like in, you know, this is going to sound incredibly selfish, but it's real. Like a lot of people when they heard about me or learned about me whenever I was in the NFL, you hear a lot of people say like if my friend was in the NFL or if like my, somebody in my family was in the NFL, it'd probably be that dumbass right there. Like watching you, I feel like a lot of us, not dumbass, I'm a different human than you, but watching you, it was like,

hey, that guy loves the game of golf, has committed his entire life to golf, and it seems like he's an actual dude. It seems like an actual dude. That's one of us out there. You did us great, and we are very happy that you are representing all of us. Now, you're a much better golfer than all of us, too.

You're an absolute beast out there, but it was awesome to watch. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Michael, there was a rumor going around the Internet that Netflix Full Swing was following you around this weekend. If so, if true, was that pre-planned before the tournament? Did that happen after round one when you were playing well? What was the situation with that? Yeah, no, no, definitely not prior to the tournament that's for

darn sure um yeah uh basically that started rolling through uh into the weekend and uh there's gonna be definitely some really cool footage i'm really excited to see that uh when i meet rory in the uh locker room and certain things that happen throughout the day and the week and yeah it's it's gonna be rad when i'm sitting in my house in my couch watching netflix and i and i see the full swing and and i'm gonna be on it that's gonna i'm just gonna start bawling right there that's so because your genuine love for golf came through in every single conversation it's such a great sport i think us living vicariously through you and then getting to see the behind the scenes as well i assume we're gonna all be like yeah i think that's what we would do if we're in that situation as well

now granted once again nowhere near as good a golfer as you are no pac-man jones has a question for you mr block the hole-in-one did you know it was a hole-in-one what was the how did you figure it out because it was a good slam dunk pac-man pac, you know what? I didn't see anything. I'm 46 years old turning 47 next month. I didn't see it. The crowd was on their feet before I even hit. So Rory hits, misses the green. No big deal.

No big deal. No big deal. Yeah, they're all cheering. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, just hit the green. And so I had this gust to win, and it died. And I told my caddy i'm going now and because it was the right club then and so i flighted it in there it's going right at it i can't see anything

and then the you know the crowd cheers again so i kind of take off my hat for a second just like thank you and all of a sudden rory turns around he starts coming at me he's got his arms up and gives me a hug and he goes that went in the hole and i'm just like you not right there and i'm like i'm like you have got to be kidding me so um i mean i could i mean it's ridiculous i i would have been thrilled just hit the green and that thing absolutely dunked right in the hole i've never done that in my entire life it was absolutely ridiculous yeah we heard afterwards that was your first ever tournament hole in one or whatever and it's like of course like what a weekend what a weekend uh there was another conversation right before the trophy ceremony

that you had with the guy who won it. Connor, go ahead. Yeah, Blocky, we saw Brooks kind of give you that one-on-one, you know, you're buying drinks at the clubhouse after, but then there was also while you were standing up there right before Brooks received his trophy, I believe it was after you already received yours. What was that interaction like, and did he invite you to go down to Florida

to the Panthers game and the Heat game, or was that interaction like? And did he invite you to go down to Florida to the Panthers game and the Heat game, or was that not part of it? I didn't get invited to the game, but his boys were standing about 10 feet to the right of us that you probably couldn't see, and they were having a blast. And they've been having a blast all day. And I'm just like, and Brooks and I are talking to everyone else, and he's like, dude, we should hang.

And basically, we would get along really well. I'm like, I know, dude. He's just 20 years younger than me, so it's a little different on that. And so they'd invite the old guys to the games and stuff like that. But I think I could hang with Brooks. Yeah, I think that's why we all like you, man. And good luck this weekend. I'm hoping to see a similar outcome because you're a dog. You need to look in the

mirror and realize you're a guy, bro. And you're the guy that we want to all see succeed very badly. We appreciate you. I think you have a SportsCenter hit coming up in about a minute. You're the man and you deserve all of this. You've earned all of this. Much appreciated. Thanks for having me, guys. It's awesome. You guys

rock. I'll hopefully be on down the road. Hell yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Block. Yeah, so that was SportsCenter going, I guess. Their PR person was like, that was actually the next interview he would be doing, which is SportsCenter in about seven minutes.

The ESPN always wants to do those seven to ten minute ahead checks. They try to do it with the Manning cast all the time. I'm like, I got a meeting. It's like 10.30 at night. I'm like, yeah, meeting. Whatever you do.

We always do the one minute. One minute before. Oh, hey, I'm here now. Is everything okay? Turn on our YouTube. It's working. Because if it works though, but if it works like ten minutes beforehand, that does not mean it's going to work. No. It might actually hurt it. Yeah. Because the length of the connection is wild. But I do appreciate the double like 10 minutes beforehand, that does not mean it's going to work. It might actually hurt it. Because the length of the connection.

But I do appreciate the double check, the triple stamp. Like, hey, we need to see if it's good because that's somebody's job, like if it's a connection or not. But tech is going to fuck you. No matter what. If it's going to drop out, it's going to drop out.

We experience that literally every single day. It's a part of it. Him doing that call from the course there, I'm very thankful. I feel like that guy has lived at a golf course for 40 years yeah 100 probably just like committed to the game entire life you could tell he loved it too man yeah that's what life about them stories right there man a guy that's been in the fucking club house whacking beers never really hitting the the pivot point of the career and then everything clicks in one day,

and you have an unbelievable performance, bro. So many of his people that have worked, and you're 100% right, so many of the people that have taken lessons from him or played golf with him have told their friends, like, hey, I played golf with a guy who is my trainer. He hits every single shot. And I guess he's had 20 tournaments. He said he just always changes the way he acts,

and he's earned that whole thing, and this time he finally just got to the point where he's like, I'm just going to be me out there. It's like, we're happy that happened, man. We're happy that happened. I mean, I think he was the PGA Southern California winner 10 years in a row or something like that. Shot a 59 at his own course.

Has a course record there. Like, he could fucking play. Yeah. Every one of those pros that are giving, they're giving lessons. They all do. Yeah, like they're telling other people how to golf. And if you ever see them on the range, they're giving lessons. They're telling other people how to golf, and if you ever see them on the range, they're hitting shots that are like...

Absurd. It's just confidence. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people can do it with the lights off, but when them lights get on... Shh! And him talking about that little bit of him changing... You know how we got practice players? Oh, yes. Motherfucker look really good in practice. You'd be like, God damn, man, why ain't you playing? Get in the game, and

them lights get on, and... Some people do get hypnotized. Yeah, forget the whole fucking coverage. It's interesting, right? And that's like the... Oh, I'm not going to say it. It's the people who say, like, I'm not a good test taker. I'm like,

why not, though? Like, what do we... Well, when the test comes, i just forget everything it's like okay so i can i don't want to okay but i'm probably gonna now start putting you in different positions see how it goes okay so we're beer pong we got one cup left i don't want you taking the shot i don't think no well i don't know if you're exactly who i would like there because are you just gonna are you, and I never really understood it. Like, I missed two kicks in the first quarter of a game that were big.

And I had people telling me, like, this guy chokes or whatever. And it's like, man, I'm too dumb to choke. Like, every moment is like the same moment to me. Like, practice is the same moment. The game is the same moment. It's like WrestleMania, same exact, like, I'm too dumb to,

now that I have a terrible first quarter yes bad bad wish I could go back and make those kicks should have made those kicks bad first half but I'll tell you it ain't because I was fucking thinking too much I don't think enough probably that's kind of the difference of it all and I do believe that

there's some times where people are like too smart for their own good and that like holds people back when it comes to the athletic realm, because the paralysis by over analysis is a very real thing. And when you're talking about golf or baseball or punting or kicking, like that's a real fluid, like you gotta be real fluid. If you overthink or like change something just a little bit with a sweet spot, that's like that big, you're completely, it's completely over. So you're trying not to be like the over analysis person. Now, there's been people that have had a lot of

success in all of those things that are super over thinkers. But I think once they get into a rut, it's much harder for them to get out of it because they're trying to fix everything as opposed to just going and doing it. Like him saying that he thought he had to give the right answer and he had to do this. That's because he was thinking about how he

has to act as opposed to just going in and fucking being Michael Block. And I am so happy we get seemingly an opportunity to watch him maybe, right? I mean, yeah. Always had the ability. Now he's figured it out here. Like, that's golf, isn't it? Oh, my God. Isn't that what golf is?

He'll be more loose this weekend, you'd assume, than he ever has been in his life. I mean, who knows? I mean, he doesn't seem like all of the media coverage and everything is getting to him. I think he's enjoying it, and he's recognizing, hey, it's possible this never happens again, so I might as well just enjoy the moment while I'm in it.

But even all the stuff, like you were saying, with all the paralysis and everything, like in golf especially, you're playing at one of the toughest courses in the world. If you are thinking too much and you miss it, like hitting it in the rough, like these PGA guys who are missing the cut at these events, like they're not just missing the cut by one or two shots. Like they're shooting 16 over. You know, they're shooting five to seven over.

They've committed their entire lives for being professional golfers. And they hit a ball that is literally in here, in the rough, and it's like, this is hole two. Yeah, exactly. You put a snowman on the card right now, you're done. You're fucking done for the whole weekend. It doesn't matter what you do. Yeah, you can get a hole in one, and it doesn't mean shit. And then on top of it, we saw the clubs

he was using. Me and Foxy have talked about this a bunch. For the average golfer, if you buy clubs that pros use, it doesn't mean shit. You just have nice clubs. But those guys, it does matter. The technology is unbelievable. It helps them hit it farther, and it gives them more forgiveness.

Yeah, forgiveness. They can hit it straighter and stuff like that. He's playing with clubs he had from 15 years ago. He's generations behind what these guys are fucking using right now and it didn't matter at all. Hold on. You said he needs new clubs, though? Well, who knows?

He hits them unbelievably, but you'd think that Callaway would be like, hey, can we get you some new bats? Can we sponsor you? I would like to see him hit some PXGs if them clubs are old. He's a tailor-made guy. He is now.

Yeah, he is now. Imade guy. He is now. I mean. Yeah, he is now. Yeah, true. I assume that deal is pretty simple. Yeah. He got a text from Jordan, I guess, Michael Jordan. Yep. Who appreciated him.

He said that he's everything that's great with the game of golf, obviously, and he appreciated him. I think he had to pay him. He was wearing Jordan's for sure, too. Yeah, that's why Jordan texted him, I do believe. So maybe this guy becomes a fucking Jordan athlete too. Here we go. Imagine Michael Box playing at Jordan's course. Next week, Michael Box is going to be like, the fuck, dude.

I was in California. I know. Come out of the pocket. And then now he's with Jordan. 10 grand this hole? That's a lot of lessons. Let me place in one major me He's plus 440 To be top 40 Let's go

500 to 1 to win I believe He's on SportsCenter right now I see the clip over there Everything they talk about they have the video right behind it Boom right on it Big putt in the middle of the rain Right on it Right on it

did I see he was offered like 50 grand for that hole in one iron yeah oh that's what we missed fuck I was going to offer him 100 grand 50 grand to him 50 grand to charity if we could get that club and put it in a box yeah you should send that I think it was the PGA tour like museum

is the one that's trying to buy it do I want to go against that? I don't know. That feels like that's a bad golf. More people probably would see it up there than the museum. Yeah, but I don't want to piss off the PGA. He's also a PGA Tour pro. He probably cares about it being housed there a little bit more than the average guy

who just hits a hole in one. Yeah, going into the Hall of Fame feels like. Yeah, kind of. It feels like a pretty cool thing. Yeah, exactly. Don't say that. Dump everything we just said. We don't know how to fuck with the golf gods. We already have enough to deal with on the golf course to begin with. I've been getting in there, though. I've been hitting some balls. How many did you hit today? A lot. I didn't hit any today

because my goddamn... Hands are a little tendy. Busted open my calluses on my hands. You know what I mean? With the clubs. That's how many balls I've been hitting. What was it the other day? It was like 300. 300, yeah.

That's absurd. Yeah. That's a lot of shots. A lot of shots. You trying to do what he did? So what? I didn't get to tell him because he had a time limit. Obviously, he had to go do his thing.

And these golfers' lives are so stupid. I don't even know how he was able to do our show any other show because he's right back on he's he's got like a celebrity around he's gonna have to do probably today or tomorrow with some sponsor then he's gonna have to do another thing then he's gonna have to do the practice round he's gonna have to go and do the whole thing so him doing that entire i very much appreciate him doing that but watching him hit just like low he was just getting the ball to the green yeah they're sweet and he just talked about how i got an 18 year old who hits ball six yards further than me every day so that didn't bother like low. He was just getting the ball to the green. Yeah, they were sweet. And he just talked about how, I got an 18-year-old who hits the ball six yards further than me every day,

so that didn't bother me. I think anytime we watch on TV, you got guys hitting these massive shots and like beautiful balls and everything. Watching his tracker stay in the screen, he's like, this guy's hitting like stingers, like a lot of just, and I'm very,

I hit very solid contact on stingers. Anytime I need it, if I'm in like a tree, I can normally hit a stinger like pretty good and know where the fuck it's going but i just never use it like anywhere else other than when i'm in danger yeah and then i'm watching this guy hit from the middle of the fairway and he's just hitting like a punch thing up there it's like it don't matter how it gets there let's just get the ball to the fucking green yeah exactly michael block gave me that

well that's that's what he said too he like, my putter's a fucking weapon. It doesn't matter what I necessarily do, but if he was giving himself birdie chances, he's not going to be through putting very many holes, so he's going to at least stay in contention because he feels like he can make every putt out there. I got 20 years until I have to show up on a tour. Plenty of time.

Right now, let's just get through some good rounds. I'm not looking to become a scratch golfer with this technique, but if I can get this thing down real low just because I'm hitting the ball solid and getting there, it's like, let's go ahead and do that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking that'll do it. Yeah.

I'm looking over at Tone like, yeah. I'm thinking you should make solid ball contact. Yeah. Find your swing. Because that's when you get fucked. You hit one in there and you're done. Yeah. It's over. I'm like, yeah! I'm thinking you should make solid ball contact. Find your swing. Because that's when you get fucked. You hit one in there and you're done. It's over. That one snowman that you guys were talking about that some of these dudes had this past weekend.

If you just get your swing down, probably similar to once you got your punt swing down. Which is what I think, but the amount of time I had to take to do that. Exactly. That is the full-time job. Yeah, I got 20 years, though. Bingo.

And then me and Michael Block are going to be battling on the Champions Tour. It is tough, too, because you don't have time to do it. You didn't before, and then now you just have a baby, and you definitely don't. But having the simulator is awesome. You have to go play. Yeah, the simulator is not really helping me out with the whole off-balance shots. Exactly.

You're hitting off a perfect lie every single time. Maybe I just stand on one foot up there and do something. Yeah, there you go. When Kevin Durant's warming up in threes, he does one foot spin. Bring in some mulch and just dump it down every once in a while. Go down on the club halfway and try to actually do a shot. Cut a square of grass so you get the rough because the mulch will give you like the woods. Bring in a

square. Like Ray Lewis whenever he was doing that thing at the... Exactly. Same thing. That whole thing. They actually had to bring grass in for him to eat. Right. He's like fucking Popeye with his spinach coming out. You need to taste the field. That was electrifying. I was there the last game I think.

Really? Last game he did it. I think he played that game. Oh, the last. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think it was. Then they came to New England. Do you remember those fireballs that would come out?

You would feel the heat on the fucking other end of the field. Jeez. The fireballs that would shoot up when he came out. I was punting, and it was like, oh, I'm going to stop the lake. This is the last time. They actually put him in. They did a kneel down. They won.

They put him back at the running back position. And as soon as the ball was snapped, knee went down. He did the thing again. And it was like a full. Outstanding. 90 yards away probably from the fireballs. And I certainly felt a. That's wild.

I'm like, holy shit. They're really doing this thing out here. He deserved it. What a dog. Yeah. Absolute dog. Dog. It was entertaining, too, how he came out the tunnel, man.

Him and what's the safety for the Eagles? Brian Dawkins. Yeah, Dawkins. They had a hell of a- He was on all fours. Oh, yeah. He came out on all fours, right? Videos of him before the game are electric.

Behind the scenes of Dawkins. Is Ray Lewis- Look at those fireballs. Some things would be hot. Six of them? Five of them? Go back to the beginning of that thing. So we can see the fireball real quick.

Look at this shit. Look at these things. Look at how much fucking flames that is. Yeah. Good work by the production crew. Yeah. Fantastic. Really good.

Oh, there's the grass. Grab the grass. Eat it. Rub it. Love it. Oh, there's a bunch of fire there, too. Yeah, that's not just smoke. Yeah, so. Really good. Oh, there's the grass. Grab the grass. Eat it. Rub it. Love it. Oh, there's a bunch of fire there, too. Yeah, that's not just smoke. Yeah, so that's why you can feel it.

Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Ah! Was that the last game? Yeah, that was. Was it against us?

Did we know? Yes, it was. Okay, I thought so. Because I remember thinking, like, oh, this is a big deal. This is pretty cool. This is sweet. It was a big deal.

It was cold and windy as fuck. Yeah, you saw. It's a miserable day for me. Let's go ahead and get a break. Miserable. Absolutely miserable. That's probably what I was thinking. Like, one shank after another in warm-ups, and then all of a sudden, it's getting.

Here we go. Yeah. All right. Let's take ourselves out of this for a moment. This is a big NFL moment right here. That guy fucking grabbed that grass. I was so pumped to see it. Was Ed Reed on that punt return team too?

Ed Reed, I don't know if that was the same game. We played Baltimore a pretty good amount. Later in his career. We played Ed Reed one game. We were up late. We had to punt a minute left or whatever. Yes. Those are moments, you know?

All right, let's catch this thing up. Let's get this thing the fuck out of here. And let's not get it blocked, first of all. So you're jogging on the field, and I see Ed Reed standing right there. And he had not been on special teams five years, six years, seven years. So what are you doing? Why are you here actually saying that? And then he just gives one of those and just straps up.

His ass goes straight up in the air. And I'm like, I'm in the video game. This guy has done things to punters in the past. He has ruined careers. Oh, yeah. And he's certainly wanting to do that right now. I caught that thing and I couldn't faster get that the fuck out of here. I am not going on.

Yeah, there's Cassius Vaughn and D-Butt there. Yeah. That face mask. How do you see out of that thing, huh? God told him. Vic Ballard getting tackled there. Is he the best ever? I guess we should ask AJ.

We'll do that in the next hour. Oh, yeah. Kobe Flanagan. Let's take a break. AJ Hawk will be on the other side. Ask his thoughts on old Ray Lewis. Oh, yes. Mario.

He was a defensive end for Marshall. They put him at fullback. Fucking thumper. I think that was his actual name. Thump. Thump. Look at him dropping in. No.

Give me that. Oh! Oh! Oh! SK! Look, I'm dropping into... No. Give me that. Ah! Oh! Power mattress. SK! He had a torn tricep that year. I see the...

Bionic arm. Yeah. Deer antler. Yeah. Bingo. Whoa. Yeah. What's your deal?

Oh, you got to bring up everything that's going on. I heard that shit did work, though. Did it? Did it? You tried it? Is that anger? You've done it? Yeah. You've done deer antler? Yeah. That was wild when I heard people shit did work though Did it? Is that anger? You've done it? Yeah

You've done deer antler? Yeah That was wild when I heard people were doing that People are always going to try to beat the testing Yep Forever Forever Yeah

In every single athletic competition People are going to try to beat the testing Yeah So when I heard that the deer antler came out I'm like someone must have fucking figured something out Yeah And then that thing went on the test Like a week later

Yeah Immediately Hey just a little heads up. We will now be testing for elk antler, deer antler, moose antler. Any fucking antler will now be tested for. And then you heard a collective Alright, we gotta find another thing. And then scientists get in the lab.

We gotta make the next one. Find another. We gotta beat the test. We gotta beat the test. And they did. They probably still are. Probably still are. There's some people you see walking around. It's like, Gatorade? Come on.

I don't know if Gatorade's doing that. No, thanks. What's your diet? You just grow chicken rice? No, no, I eat everything. Oh, come on. That feels like you're cheating. How do you have a 16 pack?

Darius Butler's on shit right now. Oh, 100%. This guy's on stuff right now. Darius Butler's on shit right now. Oh, 100%. This guy's on stuff right now. 100%. AJ's been on stuff forever. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to get on all the good stuff. You mentioned one guy you played with who came in.

He was awesome. Landry? He was the best. First day he walked into that fucking locker room. Specimen. Holy shit. What is that? This guy's on our team? What is that?

Holy fuck. He was awesome. Leron Landry, I don't know if he does any media or if he's ever done media in his life. If he was to do a podcast, it would be very good. Like, hilarious human being. A lot of whoa. I tell you, whoa, whoa, whoa, good. Like, hilarious human being. A lot of whoa. I tell you, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Tell me a couple stories. Fantastic.

He was 275, though, I think. Thighs for arms. With 2% body fat. Safety edge rusher. Yeah, hybrid. Hybrid safety D-end. Didn't work out, but he was the fucking man. He did fail a couple tests.

So the testers did catch up to him every once in a while. But when he hit people. Oh, yeah. Thump. He used to fly in walkthroughs. I mean, we're talking walkthroughs. Hey, we're all kind of jogging here. Nope.

One speed. Whoa. He's got. He is flying everywhere. He was fantastic. But yes, he failed a couple tests. I believe they caught him. Sure.

But he was certainly jocked. Jocked. So jocked. Properly jocked. Properly jocked. Yeah. I said, all right, I'm doing the arms. I'm going to catch up to your arms.

He said, all right, well. I said, what are we doing? He said, we'll do 30 sets. I was like, all right, sounds good. 30, 29, 28. He said, no, no, 30 sets. Excuse me? We're doing 30 sets. was like alright sounds good 30, 29, 28 He said no no 30 sets Excuse me We're doing 30 sets

What do you mean? Not reps 30 sets Like this week? I was like I ain't got time bro Yeah I I'll let you have the thigh arms I'm gonna get out of here

He was always in there We're talking Everyday arms All day everyday He was in there for everything It was either in the film In the locker room In the gym Or I think at home I don't there for everything. It was either in the film, in the locker room, in the gym, or I think at home. I don't know. It was just

unbelievable. He would wear these shirts that were just letting you know. I was happy he was on our team. I was happy. Yeah, all the shirts were pretty good. He would wear those fucking... The bodybuilder ones? He was awesome.

We need him to do a show. Hey, Woe, do a fucking show. Woe needs to hear you. Joining us now live from Manatee, Ohio, is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. What? Didn't win the actual Ryder Cup, though.

No. Won the match. So his vibes were high enough and his golf ability was good enough to win his particular match, but they didn't win the entire Ryder Cup? No. So his vibes were high enough and his golf ability was good enough to win his particular match. But they didn't win the entire Ryder Cup. Maybe he should have spent a little bit more time mingling with the team, bringing that good juice. And he will do that next time if he's invited

because he is the champion of Ohio. He's the all-time leading tackler for the Packers. He's a father of 10 and COVID survivor. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hall. AJ, how you doing, Paul? I'm doing great. How you doing great how you doing hey life is good man we've had a great day michael block in the first hour was nice chatting with him jack carr live in studio yesterday aj i mean life is good pal how's everything over at the hawk house everything's great weather's awesome that changes changes a lot i think when you can be outside most of the time but what's this secret uh stuff you guys were filming? You're posting pictures

of you guys dressed up as characters. Those weren't characters. When? You posted it, so I figured I could ask. When? I posted a couple photos of a couple guys sitting around. Yeah, just hanging out. Just normal guys hanging out, right? Yeah. Oh,

my bad. That was just normal. Okay, that was pre-show medium. Yeah, rum, spring of wine in there. Exactly. A little bit of whiskey. Just hang around. What's your deal? Shooting the breeze. I was just asking, what are you guys filming? You've been here. We do that every day. That is, what was that? Tuesday.

Tuesday in Otharno. Yeah. Tuesday luncheon. Where were you shooting? Tuesday luncheon. Where were you shooting yesterday? Did where were you where were you shooting yesterday were you did you do something I didn't did you bring that up so we would okay what did you do yesterday did you make some content okay let's talk birthday is this a birthday thing where I tell you happy birthday I didn't know we had the same birthday yeah what did you do yesterday anything sweet no I did not post anything to social media that I know of I was just I was

genuinely curious about what you're doing. Jack Carr also said in a tweet and an Instagram post, he was like, That's what got me. We also shot a short movie. What? Stay tuned. He said stay tuned for something super sweet. We just did.

We'd like to let everybody know that Jack Carr's brain was not used at all in the development of the short story. It wasn't. No, it didn't. No, it wasn't. So do not expect anything great. We did take the opportunity, though. When you have a Navy SEAL sniper in the building

and you have this space and opportunity, why not? You have to. Why not? Foolish not to. Do you have some people running around and you shot at them? Maybe. We don't know. Okay. Who knows? Why don't you wait? When you have 50, pal.

He can build some instructions. Bill probably. Well, once this video comes out, there's a story that involves Bill and Tim McAfee that I cannot wait to tell. But speaking of waiting, there's a man waiting for us right now who has a much more important job than any of us would ever have. He's been coaching in the NFL since 2001. That's 22 years you do some quick math. Not only is he a big-ass brain whenever it comes to football,

but he's currently in charge of a team that is in the hunt every single year because they were patient, built it the right way, and got Josh Allen as their motherfucking quarterback. Ladies and gentlemen, defensive coordinator and head coach for the Buffalo Beals, Coach McDermott. Coach, what up, man? What's up? How we doing? You look so cool right now. I don't know if you can see

how cool you look in the shot. You look so cool right now. I think I look even cooler. Maybe I should take this sweatshirt off. I got a shirt on like you right underneath this. Should I take it off? I mean, don't talk about a b-ball, Coach. What other type of team are we? Like to the, you know,

got that type of t-shirt. What do you call that? Tank top, Coach. What type of team are we? Like to the, you know, got that type of t-shirt. What do you call that? Tank top, Coach. Coach, are you jocked right now? Are you properly jocked right now? Are you able to work out with how much are you jocked up right now? You want to do it? First ever? First ever guest? Let's see it. He looked jocked.

Are you jocked right now or not, Coach? Are you jocked up? No, no, no. I'm at my desk working. I'm at my desk working trying to figure out a way to get us through OTA number three tomorrow. What is OTAs for your team, especially obviously a very veteran-led team? You guys have been around each other for a long time, seemingly have the culture built that you would want to be kind of in a winning organization.

What are OTAs right now? Just kind of getting everybody back in the building are you changing things now that you're calling the plays on defense what is it like this year as opposed to maybe years past yeah i mean you know as much as it stays the same it changes right so we start trying to start from from step one again every year and rebuild this thing it's a new team every season and there'll be new challenges this year, different than there was last year. Some will be the same. But, no, Josh has done a great job.

He's been here the whole spring, and his leadership is huge for us, as you mentioned earlier. I think we're off to a good start here. Hell, yeah. Coach, go ahead, AJ. Coach, the NFL had their schedule released, I don't know, a week or two back, and they make a big deal about it. We sit here and we talk about matchups.

Do you guys as coaches in the front office, like you go through your schedule and devise a plan once that comes out, or do you guys care? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, we'll kind of take a look at, you know, maybe our first couple opponents, maybe a short week opponent here or there that we may face coming back off of a road trip per se. And just try and get ahead a little bit. But I've also been around where you kind of work too much in the offseason and you don't focus on your own team.

And then you kind of overlook some things that are going on internally with your own team. So we try and find that sweet spot. Yeah, the schedule release has been made a big deal by everybody that isn't actually playing in the games. Oh, yeah. That's what we just heard from your answer. I mean, we're not going to get, right? I mean, AJ, I don't want to, you know, that's what I heard. But we make a massive deal out of it.

Oh, the primetime this. Oh, this matchup's going to be this. Hell, yeah. You guys, though, are the matchup of a weekend because of what you've been able to build your team to at this point. Now, I understand that everybody over there, because we have Vaughn on and we've been lucky enough to chat with josh and also jordan poyer who's back congrats that's huge news but every time it's like we haven't accomplished our goals yet so like outside noise is very loud about you guys and it has been

and it will be forever and you talked about you know every season has different challenges and everything like that last year it seems like you guys had a litany of adversity that I understand it's very hard to win a game to begin with. But whenever you talk about what happened before the season even started, then during the season, one of your players dies on a football field on primetime television in front of everything. And then everything else that also took place around your team, it's like you're not allowed to make excuses because you're a football coach but obviously you're thinking to yourself that maybe next year we won't have as much to deal with and how heavy the year was or is that just you have to take it day by day do you think about that at all like everything that could potentially be an interference in winning off the field happened to you guys last year. And it's like, you can't acknowledge that, but you kind of have to, don't you, coach?

Yeah, I think, you know, you want to keep big picture perspective on things. And, you know, to say we haven't been successful here, I don't think is accurate, right? It's just we haven't reached the top of the mountain yet. But when we got here, to your point on the amount of primetime games we have this season in particular but also the last couple of years we had a ton of one o'clock games on sundays here when we first got here and and now we've moved the needle enough to you know have enough success if you will that we're playing a ton of primetime games and we're going over for an international game this year in London. That will be an experience for us. But, you know, we've got to start over.

As I said, we're working towards trying to get back to where we were and then capitalize on it, which every team is this time of year. Coach, I know that you have to be the motivator and have to do that whole thing. We all have become Bills fans because the way your team plays and the personality of your team and the way the offense and the defense fly, I mean, everything about it. But last year, I feel like we grew very close to your team because how you guys handled every situation.

You should be very proud of what you did. Speaking of, Ty has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, obviously to be a successful head coach, not even necessarily head coach, just a coach in the NFL, you need to be able to be a leader of men. When you look back to the DeMar Hamlin situation, was there anything in your coaching career that kind of prepared you for a situation like that? I don't know how it could.

And obviously, your support staff and the athletic trainers, they were heaped with a bunch of praise, and rightfully so. But I think a lot of people were talking about how eloquently and how great you handled that situation. Was there anything that could have prepared you for that or not really? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things in this job as a head coach that you try and prepare for, but there's also no substitute for experience. And in that case, there was nothing even close to the situation

that we went through as a team. And I thought, to your point, our staff handled it extremely well. We're thankful DeMar is in a good spot right now. And ironically enough, before we came up to do this interview, most of the players and all of the staff went through a CPR training, formal CPR training this offseason, which you learn a lot, right, through that experience and how we can better prepare ourselves to care for our players, care for our staff.

So it's just great to see the turnout that we had just a few minutes ago for that. Is that league-wide or is that you guys in your building? No, that was just us in our building. But we're hoping. I think we've got some good footage of it uh our our content people got some good footage of it i think i'll get out there soon enough and maybe that again motivates others to do the same the way your entire building operated during that entire thing was incredibly classy i think there was no leaks of anything

either like that was normally in the world that we're in, especially when it's the number one story in everything, not just sports, but political conversations were happening, news, entertainment, everything. It was the number one story. And you had to keep everything in there while also dealing with a lot of like grief, like your grief, like that's a tough thing that in the face of adversity, you showed up.

You should be incredibly proud of yourself coach and obviously you're building pac-man has a question for you coach and i will say this i respect more that you you stood for the players too and saying like look we're not going back out there that's first and foremost but i wanted to ask you about the big tight end um dalton how excited for you i mean how excited are you for him to fit in the offense? And how is he looking through OTAs? Yeah, he's done a real nice job, Pac-Man. We're extremely excited to have Dalton here. He's done a good job.

He's off to a very good start. He's just the tight ends and the quarterbacks I've been around through my time in Philadelphia under Andy and then Carolina. It sometimes can become a quarterback's best friend, whether it's throwing a hot read out on a site to a tight end on a blitz or just getting that critical first down or red zone play in production. I think it's critical. And Dawson Knox has done a nice job for us.

And now to add Dalton to the mix, I really think they're going to be a pretty good tandem here for us. I've said it a couple times and you haven't combated it. So I assume it's the truth. You're DC again. Yeah, I am. Yeah.

How's it going? How's it going back in the weeds? Huh? We're doing it. How is, how is the whole thing? Yep. I love it.

Honestly, I'm having a ton of fun with it. It feels good to be back with the guys as a head coach. You know, we, we coach, but we don't coach a lot of the time is spent on things outside of coaching. It feels really good to be able to be back in the weeds with the defense, with the guys, with the staff, solving problems.

We get out there on the field in the first OTAs and compete a little bit with our offense. And, you know, I stopped by on my way to the defensive team meeting the other morning, and I made sure the offensive guys, you know, kind of poked them a little bit and said, hey, after day one, it was one defense, zero for the offense. So that got them going a little bit. And a little friendly talk doesn't hurt. Hey, what do you want me to say, boys? I know I'm the head coach coach but also one zip here bruce arians after the first uh uh otas offense versus defense whenever he first

came back to the indianapolis colts he's offense coordinator literally after the first day on the field he walked into the team meeting he had a black king goal on he had a black polo on black shorts on black stockings all the way up to here you know the compression things and black shoes on and he sits down and i'm like uh man i love the johnny like i like that i wear all black as well he goes there's a motherfucking funeral for that defense we just beat the shit out of him he literally had a chance to talk so then it was like all right uh offense quarter defense quarter special teams corner everybody's gonna speak you know after day one kind of to the entire team and he gets up there and he goes y'all motherfuckers see what I'm wearing? That was literally what he did.

And then he said, we're going to do it again today. And then he just sat back down. They hear the defense go, boo, you know, that whole thing. Are you – I found that to make practices much better. Like when the offensive coordinator seemingly is – like Antoine Bethea, he's like, hey, B, he was actually calling people out. Are you like that? Are you a natural?

I love it. Okay, good. I love it. I love it. I love when guys talk trash. I mean, look, it's May, right? So we're thankful to have the players here to begin with. But we've got to keep it juice flowing because if not,

it's just not how I do things how we do things a but b it's you know it gets boring after a while so you got to just keep it flowing let guys you know talk some trash out there and get a get some friendly competition going and you know maybe i'll steal that idea from coach there and show up tomorrow at ota number three and all black how about that all right i love it go ahead aj uh yeah you're definitely not gonna be bored on game days have you thought about that? All right, Colin, your shot. I love it. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, you're definitely not going to be bored on game days. Have you thought about that, how you manage your time? Obviously, calling the defense again and being so involved, and also, obviously, all the responsibilities that come with a head coach.

Do you have to delegate certain things? Yeah, it's going to be new for me, AJ, and as already practice has been new in some regards and where I spend my time and who runs the practice and different on different periods so so that's also going to be new for me and so you know we've spent some time thinking about that there's going to be some differences that people see on the sideline from last season and the seasons prior so it'll be different for me and you know I think it's going to be it's going to be a challenge there's no doubt about it when you're especially when you're on defense when a lot of the situations as a head

coach that you have to manage are when you're on offense and you need to be up on the sideline but your defense is you know waiting for some adjustments behind you so i think that piece will be a work in progress as we move forward here are you gonna be able to keep ken dorsey in check that guy you know what i mean you're so on it guys so angry all the time just unbelievable yeah disgusting he's a heck of a competitor man you know you don't finish as a heisman finalist without being a competitor the competitive person so i love the fire you know i love the fire especially from an offensive guy those guys are usually pretty laid back and you know feed up i go into offensive meetings and it's like um you know it's kind of like a funeral a little bit just people you know just

like the defense you know these guys are up on the edge of their seat uh it's different you know so i've had to adjust a little bit uh but no ken's ken's done a nice job love the fire love the uh competitive nature he'll yell at me sometimes underneath his breath he doesn't think i see it but i see it i love it sounds like the culture up there is a beautiful one we uh we had to cover obviously the moment in which he showed emotion and genuine passion and play yeah aj and i literally we lead the show we're like that is the greatest thing we've seen a coach do in a long time and there was other places that were like what a stain on this man's reputation yeah this guy's gonna have to get there was people saying that like that had microphones

in front of them and we felt like obligated to let everybody know like hey everybody in that locker room that saw that is like hell yeah dude like this guy this guy just as bad as us you know it feels like that how do you find those guys? Because obviously, once you lose day ball, it's like, how are you going to be able to maintain it? It's like, how have you been able to fill so many spots so well, seemingly over this entire period of the Buffalo Bills being a primetime team? No, like I learned years ago, to your point, I think I was playing youth baseball and I just loved to compete when I was young and had a baseball coach who, you know, went through the deal of, hey, everyone plays and the end of the game doesn't really, you don't know if you won or lost. And I remember, man,

I was miserable. I was like seven, eight years old. I was miserable because that to me is not competing. And like that made it, that made a mark on my, on me as a person. And I'm like, Hey, we're going to, you know, we're going to have competitive people here, right? That's what we're, that's, that's the business we're in. Results driven business, people that care, they're passionate about it. So I'm, you know, look, you put you, you know, all the while, you got to be able to, you know,

keep your composure and poise in the moments to call the right plays and execute the way we need to execute. But all that being said, I like the competitive nature. We've got more people like that here. And it's just when you have the right people, the right people recommend the right people, right? And so it just leads to when you've got good people of high character and that have a passion and share a common goal and a purpose, they know what you're looking for. And so if I say, Hey, who's out there, um, that we can bring in, who are the young coaches out there, maybe at the college level, maybe in the NFL that I don't know about. Um, you know, it's just a, they know what, what I I expect they know what we expect in terms of

our culture and adding to our culture the right way. Yeah if he wouldn't have done that I think you'd potentially fire him the next day from what it sounds like which I absolutely love you've done it the right way you should be pumped about it as are the Bills fans Bills Mafia is so

I'm going to ask you at the end about it what a fan base to be a coach for especially the style of coach that you are. It feels like a perfect kind of match. Tone has a question for you, Coach. Coach, we didn't get to see it last year because of injuries, but now that you are the D.C., how excited are you that Trey White and Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer and Vaughn Miller, you're going to get a chance to see all those guys on the field at the same time.

Are you excited for that? For the entire year because there's going to be real grass too. Real grass, super grass. There's going to be super grass on the field everywhere. Yeah, no, I am. I'm excited to have those guys back. They've all worked extremely hard. You know, we missed them last season at different points.

You know, they were some out there, some not, and then at times all of them are just out. And so, you know, that was tough, but we learned a lot about ourselves. As we talked earlier, there's always challenges through the course of the season. There'll be different ones this year, but it certainly helps when you've got good players and they're out there on the field and available. I don't

care who the coach is. Good players make good coaches. At the end of the day, it's awfully nice when you have good players out there playing for you. Are we going to be super aggressive out there? Aren't we setting the tone of the day um it's awfully nice when you have good players out there playing for you hey we're gonna be super aggressive out there aren't we setting the tone on the defensive side you know a lot of people saying you haven't called plays in a long time you might have lost your fastball yeah you you hear that you you understand that as well or what you're saying

well we'll see they may be right i don't know we'll see i love it dude that from the offensive side like so much firepower, right? And allegedly, potentially more. Huh? Huh? You guys are not? Huh? You guys making any moves on the offense? You don't know, right?

We'd like to come back on the show, too. Let's not put you in a spot, you know? True. You're not being able to come back? I just work here. Yeah, amen. Amen. Hey, us too.

Us too on the internet. But the defense, too, so much star power, so much firepower, so much talent. I couldn't even imagine what you're envisioning or drawing up and things like that now that you're back in the play caller seat. Is it reinvigorating almost? Do you have to adapt anything with the modern style of football? Has anything changed since the last time you called plays? What has life been like thinking about all the weapons that you have and potentially utilizing everybody that you have?

Yeah, well, I think I really believe that that's part of our job as coaches. Every year you come out, you start in spring and you kind of figure out who you have, right? And then you go through training camp and you're still tinkering with things and you continue to figure out who you have and what they do best and what the strengths of your defense are and your individual players and then it's our job as coaches to put those players in positions of strength and manage naturally the weaknesses so um you know that's that's where we're at as far as the game you know changing since i've called plays i would i would say yes it has changed since i've called plays. The NFL is always changing. It's always evolving, and we need to evolve with it.

So I think that's what you try to do in the offseason is adapt where you need to adapt and sustain where you can sustain. Hell yeah. Go ahead, AJ. What's your perspective on OTAs? What's it look like from your eyes now sitting there as you've been there for multiple seasons compared to when you first came in in your first offseason? In 2017 when we first got here, you mean, AJ? Yeah. Yeah, it's way different. Those players did a phenomenal job. We were a new staff, as you mentioned, and

it's a different just feel right now because we've had so much continuity, you know, with the players that we've drafted and being able to keep those players and retain them. That leads to, you know, consistency of expectations, consistency of what's expected scheme-wise. That just helps. And then just with the culture, again, it's just those guys are teaching the new guys. And in terms of what's expected, you guys know in the locker room, there's a lot of time where the coach isn't around and it's, you got to rely on the leaders of the team to, to, to kind of shepherd the sheep, so to speak. And, and, uh, I'm so

thankful for our leaders that we have in our locker room. They do such a fantastic job of doing that. Seemingly have put together an incredible roster year after year after year. And obviously Bean, he's a massive piece of that. You and him have seemingly, from the outside looking in, I don't know, he might be more jock than you. We don't know if he's more jock than you. We're not sure. But you two have a great relationship, it appears, from the outside looking in

and kind of complement each other perfectly. Is that an accurate assessment from your view on it all? Yeah, he plays golf and I'm his caddy. Perfect tag team, perfect tag team. No, we do. He's done a phenomenal job here. We wouldn't be where we are, where we're at, without Brandon. And we both came from Carolina, and before that I was with Philadelphia.

So it's been a true blessing to have him and his family here in Orchard Park with us. And he knows, he's just got a great feel for the things that we need as coaches, and he's got a great feel for people, and then also the cap and managing all that goes on around the cap. So based on his background and how he built himself and the foundation he built in Carolina years ago. And you've been around the NFL 22 years. You know, that's not normal.

Hey, there's a lot of coaches and GMs that do not get along because as soon as shit starts hitting the fan, it's a lot of, huh? Not me. Huh? Huh? A lot of that. And there's been a couple moments i guess over the last few years with the way expectations were where you two could have turned on each other and it seems like that's never taken place it's a beautiful thing to watch and i think like it is

something that we all notice too you know yeah i appreciate that no it's uh it's hard it's hard i mean it's a as we already mentioned a competitive business everyone wants to win. When a game doesn't go, you know, as we expect it to go, it's easy for the GM to say, hey, that, or same thing with the draft or when we look to acquire players and we don't get a player, it's easy for a coach to turn around and point a finger. And then, you know, the other side of it is always when you do have success, who gets the credit, right, and whose pride and ego get in the way. So I think trying to manage all that, stay aware of it, is important for us. Not you, but coaches that have happened in the NFL.

You see our roster? We made it all the way to – you see that roster? You see what we put on? And then GM's like, you see what that coach did with that roster I gave him. Like you'd see how that kind of starts to fester. Oh, yeah. Especially with high stakes, with how much money is on the line, and how there's only 32 jobs in both of those worlds.

So watching you two be a perfect combination has been a blast, I think, especially for a team that we all like to watch. Connor has a question. He's a big Patriots fan. Remember that. So anything that comes out of his mouth, remember there is. You know what I mean? You know that, Coach.

Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, thanks for bringing that up, actually, Pat, because Pat mentioned earlier we're all rooting for the Bills later in the year. That's not true because I wasn't. But aside from that, with the spring league. Hey, fuck that guy. Sure, sure, whatever. With the spring league meeting coming up or that are happening right now,

Coach, do you pay any attention to that stuff, whether it be the Thursday night football, being able to be flexed now, or the three quarterbacks on the roster now, or even the kickoff rule change? Is that something you consider and even talk about in the building or no? Yeah, no, it certainly is. You know, as the rules change, then some affect the game more than others. And in this case, the few that you mentioned, they affect game they affect decision making before the game and obviously you know within the game now the kickoff uh will changing so you know we have to like i mentioned earlier we have to continue to adapt coach it's terrible say it pac-man i would never keep the ball in i'm quite sure he know that but does this affect the game it is right, right? I mean, this is legit. Yeah, it definitely affects the game.

We only need, what, 30, 25 yards, we've been field goal range now. So, as I'm sure you've heard from your special teams coordinator, who is your special teams coach? Matthew Smiley. Okay, shout out. Shout out, Coach Smiley. I assume he has already talked to you about everything

that you could potentially weaponize this entire fair catch and then the touchback and then we now have to hit some squibs. We want to catch the people in there which potentially have Has there been any real conversation about what you're going to do with this new rule and do you hate when something like this gets put in out of nowhere

for no reason seemingly? Yeah, you should watch your words. You're smart. Careful. I like the money to stay in my pocket right now smart very smart but when when things like this happen though you have to adjust i assume and utilize it every year i mean you just i just i've always subscribed to and we subsequently have always subscribed to hey we adjust where we need to adjust and that's what we do the rules are the rules for a reason and we adjust we respect need to adjust, and that's what we do. The rules are the rules for a reason, and we adjust.

We respect the rules and why they come down, and so we make the adjustments we have to make. That's the way the game is every year. So all the while, the NFL is trying to make the game as safe as possible, and we respect that. As we went through last season, that's an important piece of what the NFL is trying to do here for the betterment of the players. Alright, Coach.

We agree. Okay. The betterment of the players, safety of the players. We can't just be making rules for future potential lawsuits, okay? Because then we're never going to stop. Then the rules are never going to stop. It's like, hey, you're going to coach it great. Can't wait to hear what

you have to do. And this is obviously a big overreaction for something that isn't going to affect the game that much. But when it does, we're all going to stop. It's like, hey, you're going to coach it great. Can't wait to hear what you have to do. And this is obviously a big overreaction for something that isn't going to affect the game that much. But when it does, we're all going to say, that's stupid. Why are we doing that? But hey, that's not coach. That's me saying it. Last question for you here, Coach, from Pac-Man Jones. Coach, this is going to really affect the returning game.

So with this rule, how do you look at your roster? You don't need returners now obviously if if that's the case uh you might need a guy that can catch a punt um does this affect how you pick guys on the roster when it comes to um special team wise as far as the returners i mean listen we haven't thought honestly all the way through yet just because of the timing of everything so far and being in the middle of otas um but once we get through it i can tell you right now yeah i mean when you look at uh roster spots and and uh acquiring players with certain skill sets

pac-man like you were you were a returner back in the day i believe in yeah and and and so you have you only have so many dollars to allocate to certain positions. And we feel like we have two fantastic returners in Deontay Hardy and Naeem Hines. And you saw some of that the last couple of seasons. And so there will be an adjustment on our behalf, on our part. And we'll try and figure this thing out here for the betterment of our team, just like everybody else is out there trying to do as well. Naeem took two in that one game, right?

Yeah. What a game, Jay. That's a winner. You win the game right there. Yeah. Was there four or six total kickoff returns last year from touchdown, Naeem? Naeem had two of them. Yeah.

Are you guys focused on the teams a little bit? You guys focused on teams a little bit? We do. Yeah, absolutely. Hell yeah, it's because you're a great fucking coach. That's why. We can't thank you enough for joining us. Have an incredible OTAs. Hopefully you'll be able to dress for a funeral after the defense does

what it does to the offense. Black tank top tomorrow. Going in. Are you jocked, though? We don't know if you're jocked. We don't know if you're jocked. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Sean McDonald. Yeah, coach! Fuck. The returner guys. Yeah, the returner guys are in trouble.

William Hines was incredible. You can't get one for both. Punt and kickoff, though. You just got to make sure you're punt and kickoff. Yeah, you got to be able to do both, I guess. Which, I guess, is the evolution of the game. Are there guys that can't? Yeah. Guys that can't go back and catch punts can catch kickoffs. That ball is

a totally different flight. Especially with assholes like him kicking knuckleballs. Oh yeah, end over end versus... It's a little different. Those were some very fun days of OTAs. Those young guys who are going to be the next big punt returner in the league?

Okay. Let's see. Let's go. Let's do that that and i'm hitting punts that they will never see in a game right that i will never see it again but they could this thing is going straight up and then that thing is coming down at like 40 yards and you just see them sitting there okay yeah no problem here and that thing boom beat them up ball beat them up and then you see some people just like yeah i'm not i don't think I'm a punt returner. And you've got people like him who are able to catch six balls and then don't even have the thought of eight guys running down full speed.

But if you have the ability to do both, you're obviously going to be a weapon going forward. And we've talked about this rule more than any other show, obviously, because it affects the special teams more than anything else. But, like, I think what's going to happen is there's going to be no returns. Right. That's what they want. They want no returns.

So, like, even if the ball is kicked short and it's a duff of a kick, which is normally when you can hit, whenever a kicker misses, like, hey, you can hit because it's a lower hang. You kind of get a chance. They don't have their lanes set up. You can kind of get them. And you can hit for one here. I think the coaches are going to be too, I don't want to say,

not McDermott because he's aggressive, but they're going to say, hey, we get that thing at the 25. You just better catch this thing. Yeah, but if it's short and it's low, I could probably get it. It's like, yeah, but then we might get a hold. Then we can just, easy just to take this thing at 25, which I think is why they're trying to do it. But I've heard from some people about it that it's like,

they think it's going to backfire. They think, like, people are going to try to squib to try to catch people and instead it's going to be it's going to be more returns almost than what it's going to be and i'm like yeah could you do as a kickoff guy could you do like a low hit like uh hit like the tiger stinger like that goes just over the front line and then hits the ground and tries to get as far back as you can so the reason why i thought the squib was the dumbest kick of all time is because there's no hang – like, hang time would be considered, like, from foot to returner in this particular case

because the ball's going to be on the ground. So we had – I had a couple people that, like, came and went through the Colts organization, like, assistants and, like – what are those called? They get paid to do nothing. Advisors. Advisors or whatever, you know? And they're like, need to add a squib in there.

And I'm like, tell me why. Like, why do we need a squib? Are we trying to hit somebody and get the ball back? I'll do that. Like, if we're going to do that, we'll do that. No, just because you don't know if they'll be able to catch it. It's like, have you seen offensive linemen in the fucking NFL? They catch that thing over their shoulder.

Like, I guess a bobble or whatever is good, but shouldn't we be trying to hit this fucker? Let's get some time here as opposed to less time. You know, I never really. I'm saying with the fair catch, though, with the fair catch, you can try to cough and corner as much as you want. They're getting a fair catch no matter what. I'm saying for some reason you don't want them to fair catch.

Yeah, and the squib is going to be the answer, but I don't know how. How far can you kick a squib? You can kick a squib forever, I think. I'm saying like. With nobody in front of you. The people in front of you are going to hit somebody or they're going to field it. Which is what we're trying to do. Like, if I'm hitting a squib and they put somebody in front of me, in my head it's immediately, we got to go.

Drill. But it was hard to get a squib in with old Pat McAfee as your kicker. It was. That was going to be a tough call. That was going to be a tough call to make. Tom McMahon. Chuck's thinking squib here at end half. Cool, cool.

I'm going to hit a touchback. Let him handle that. You know, let him handle that on the 20. Can't you take a knee on a squib? No. Yeah. Yeah, I thought you could. Yeah.

So won't, even if you do the squib, won't you just take a knee? Is a knee the same thing? I wonder. I thought that it would be. In college it is, right? In college. It's the ball, though. In college they can take a knee or a fair catch And it's the same thing and they bring it out

What I'm saying is in the NFL If I catch the ball, if I'm on the second row And I knee, the ball is down right there In front of the 25 But inside the 25 The same way I think it goes to the 25 So you catch the ball and take a knee at like the 10.

Or catch a squib and take a knee at like the 10. And don't try to advance, I guess. Is that how they would have to describe that? Yeah. And it's still a touchback. It goes to the 25? Jeez Louise, bro. What is this bullshit? It's ridiculous. It got pushed through, man. Rodge pushed it

through. I had a bunch of people saying, you're not going to be able to talk like that about rules with your ESPN. Says who, motherfucker? Says who? You think speaking about rules is going to get people upset? ESPN has to deal with the NFL. We got to deal with the NFL, too. What are we even talking about?

You don't think they judge anything the NFL has done on any of these networks? It's a little different than what we're doing. I think the NFL will be pretty pumped that we're judging them strictly off of the game as opposed to everything else that's been judged, Bart. And I don't think that'll ever change. That's just like, we are here for the good of the game. Love the game. Love the game.

Also, it's not just you. Every single special teams coach and all the players are like, yeah, this sucks. We don't want to do this. Anybody that knows football would say it sucks. Let's go to some phone calls. People are texting you about the rule. I got a hilarious, yeah, I met some new people. A lot of people are very thankful for what we're saying here

from the special teams community. And then I got some new theories coming up. They're all wrong. They're projecting news. This is actually what we're thinking is going to happen. So we're preparing for this. And I'm like, I guess you can prepare for that. Nobody else is thinking

that. But you might be the one that's figured it all out. We'll see how it goes. Let's go to the phones. Speaking of special teams, before we wrap this whole thing up, Matt Ariza getting a workout with the New York Jets. Obviously, this is a massive story for Matt Ariza, because Matt Ariza, who was the punt god

coming out of San Diego State, he was the best player that San Diego State had. He was the punter, the kicker, the kickoff person, and he was just destroying footballs. Absolutely slaughtering them. Every game had a highlight as the punter or the kicker for the San Diego State Aztecs.

Now, that being said, what does that mean about the team? We don't need to ask those questions. What we do need to know is that a punter took over football for the San Diego State and also at one point by Forbes magazine, I believe, said, the first time a punter has ever been marketable whenever he was coming into the NFL. I did take that as a shot, but I didn't hold it against Ariza because he was an incredible talent. Then, once he gets drafted to the Buffalo Beals, all of a sudden, there's allegations that are

incredibly damning and very serious. The most serious. Hey, this is terrible things that have potentially happened with this player. Then they start talking about it. He obviously gets run out of the NFL because how serious the allegations were. Now, here we're sitting a year and some later and it's come out that it is not true at all

wasn't even present whenever this whole thing took place and kind of got bamboozled in his name run through the mud now we did talk about it immediately upon the news coming out that it was a false story that kind of ruined this guy's life i I was at home on the phone, had a lot of people send me messages saying, oh, you won't even talk about Matt Rousey getting bamboozled. So watch the fucking program. I did. And now that he's getting a workout, I'm incredibly pumped for him. This is a redemption tale now. Just because something terrible happens to you, it can either end you or it can change you. I think he has been changed. I hope he comes back stronger, better than ever.

I still hold on a lot of hope that at the end of the day, the punt God story is going to be one where he won in the NFL, took care of business, and became an all-time great. In doing so, opened up a conversation about some things that have happened to people in the past that have potentially ruined their life.

This will be a good story. I hope he doesn't hold any hate in his heart, which he certainly could. Certainly could. But if you do that, all that's going to do is affect everything else in your life, including punting and kicking when the sweet spot's this big. I hope he somehow has been able to come to peace about it,

and I hope that motherfucker is slaughtering footballs on an NFL field this fall for the good of everything. I'm happy that he's going to work out with the Jets. Shout out to Brant Boyer, the special teams coordinator, saying, hey, listen, this guy's from all the facts that have come out recently. Still the punk guy, right? Yeah, still the boss. All right, let's go ahead and do this.

So I hope this is the first step of many for Matt Ariza getting his NFL story and his name back from what happened. That so hey those were damning yeah very serious allegations but how okay how did they get that that far down the road when it comes out later that he wasn't even present that's what that's when i was everything turned for me like he wasn't even there so then you start thinking about the whole world, about how narratives can potentially be built before anything is even close to being checked. And life can get ruined. And we don't want this to affect any other victims. Hey, actual victim, victim, we are 100% on your side.

But these types of stories make everybody, everybody's life worse. Not just Matt's and Matt's family and everybody associated with matt oriza and everything like that but future victims now yeah like you these types of things like where that's a real thing that's a real kind of arc of this all when i was on the coach josh mcnerry he was a special teamer went to army served in our country's military then he came and played for the colts he had a situation pop up right before playoffs. He was a massive piece of our team. He gets alleged that he raped a girl. He goes through the entire trial, jury, everything like that.

Fully innocent. Fully innocent. But his football career over. Never got to play football again. Those playoff checks that he was getting as a special teamer could have been massive for the future of his entire life. And this one situation is something that the fact check on the other side was so much quieter than the initial allegations.

I assume he's still going to have to deal with that forever. And it was like, when I watched that happen, I'm like, damn, like I feel absolutely terrible for you. But Josh McNary, just like Ariza, and just like Brian Banks. Yeah. Brian Banks, I believe, is another story of this particular habit.

And there's more that have happened. He went to prison for like 20 years, right? Yeah. 15, 12? Sure. It was more than 10. When he came out, though, he didn't get rid of the hate in his heart when he got out.

He went, miked up, met person, person said, I am so sorry that blah, blah, blah. I didn't see that. Yeah. I think he did a full like, I would like to clear my name here for real. And I think that happened. But it's like

I hope Matt Ariza takes this and runs with it. And I hope he somehow finds a way not to be jaded to the entire world forever. And I hope also we don't like change our views on these potential allegations going forward because they're very serious and very fucking real. So it's like what a combination of situation there,

but him getting a workout again and getting a chance to kind of prove himself I think is a great first step back for everybody. Yeah, and it's so hard because you just mentioned all those things, like the process of it. Because when it first happens, you can't say like, hey, you never know, just because a lot of the times the worst thing that you can imagine is the thing that happened. Actually happened.

Yeah, actually happened. So it is, it's a long process, but, you know, they went through the entire thing. And if he is, you know, still able to hit the balls that he was hitting, you know, last offseason in Buffalo, because he was, what, a fourth-round pick? Yeah. Pretty damn high for a punter, and he would be an absolute game changer in New York

too at MetLife for Rodgers. They need a punter over there. I don't know how, if they, when's the workout today, they said? I'm not sure when it is, but they've gone through a... That's a big story though, man. Hey, Matt. Happy for you, buddy. Good luck.

Somehow, and I know this is hard because I'm one of the most petty people on earth too but like you're gonna have to somehow just get that out of you yeah i think for the betterment of life right aj i mean like legit he's gonna have to somehow figure out how to not be pissed off about probably going through can you imagine this last year like the range of emotions he has gone through i would imagine he's he spent a good time being angry i'm sure it's easy to snap back into that but yeah yeah it's tough for everybody. Imagine the things that were said to him.

Exactly. Because as you're reading that story, it's like, fuck this guy. Even friends. It's hard. As you're reading it, the initial allegations, it's like, punt God, he's calling himself. And he knows no matter what, it's forever there.

When somebody does look him up, even though all this come out through the other side, it's always there. It's something he it's forever there. Like, when somebody does look him up, even though he's – like, all this come out through the other side. Like, it's always there. It's something he has to live with. But, yeah, it's just – what a brutal situation for everyone. But not even him. His parents, too. So, like –

Oh, yeah. But I think the best joy or comeback that can be is back in the locker room kicking the football. It's nothing like that. Like, especially when you get the game taken away from you for something that can be is back in the locker room kicking the football. It's nothing like that. Especially when you get the game taken away from you for something that you didn't do and you're in the prime part of your career.

Hopefully get picked up by the Jets, but I think this will be a great story. New York media, y'all want something to write about? Let's go write about this one. Good kicking room there, too. Brant Boyer, the special teams coordinator. Morstead and Greg LeLegge. They're going to win a lot of games too so unfortunately tom morstead morstead's a guy which is it's a

good place to at least get a yeah because they've been putting kickers punters on uh practice squad too so if he doesn't get workouts anywhere else like it's not necessarily over but i'm very pumped that brant boyer special teams coordinator, yeah, we'll work him out. Let's go. You know, because one person has to do it. Then it's like. Right. Then other people feel like, oh, yeah, okay, we'll do that too.

We'll bring it in. You know what I mean? We'll kick the tires. Hell yeah, Matt. Good luck out there, dude. We'll get him. Good luck out there. And I'm one of the most petty people of all time,

so everything I'm saying to you I would not be able to do, but I'm hoping you, for the good of your life, I'm hoping you're able to do that. Let's go to the 5RNG phone line. 1833-432-3663. 1833-4-DADOM. You got a 5RNG.com right now, AJ. Okay.

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The number 5, H-O-U-R-E-N-E-R-G-Y.com. 5RNG phone line is always popping off. That's right. Let's go to Edward in Arkansas. Edward, what's going on, pal? Hey, Pat and the boys. How we doing? Hey, fantastic.

Keep it moving. How are you? I'm doing good. Hey, I got boys. How we doing? Hey, fantastic. Keep it moving. How are you? I'm doing good. Hey, I got a question for you. With the Cardinals tearing down a season of suck, who's going to get the boot first, Shannon or Murray, when they eventually do suck? Okay, interesting.

Interesting. Of course. Because the new coach had to come in and want Kyler, right? Yeah. Because just paid Kyler. Well, already paid him before, last year. Well, that's what I'm saying. He wanted the gig.

When he got hired. He wanted the gig, you had to say that. During his interview, I'm sure he had to give his full support in the interview. That was part of it. So, like, I think they're kind of tied together. I don't know if it's a one or the other. I think this is more so like a tied together. If you come a couple years after the contract and it's kind of set that way,

like I think then coach has a little bit more say. Sure. But we're talking like this for Arizona, but we all know in Denver, like if Russell doesn't do well, Sean Payton will be like. Next quarter. We'll move the next one in. But he's a proven coach, I guess. Gannon isn't there yet.

Well, and that's what I was going to say. Maybe Denver with Nathaniel Hackett, but also like there are no expectations for Arizona this next year. Everyone expects them to fucking stink. People thought the Broncos were going to challenge the Chiefs to win that division or at least make it to the Super Bowl. It was midway through. It was like, all right, this guy's a lame duck. We got

to get rid of him. I don't think you would imagine that Gannon, especially with the draft capital that they potentially have next year, they'll at least give him a couple years. What a fascinating thing. That situation. Just because 31st out of 32 teams on the report card for the facility, shit. They got stars over there.

They've paid stars. Never have success, it seems like. And then they pay a quarterback and offensive coordinator, head coach at the same time. And then it doesn't work. They're fighting each other. One of them's already fired. First year into a five-year deal.

I think the GM's gone, too. GM gone. New GM, new head coach. Division. Beautiful city. Gorgeous. Love Arizona. That should be a city that's easy to recruit. A lot of free agents live there. There's training places there. It's

fucking perfect, that city. I don't understand how any of their teams suck, let alone the NFL. And they seemingly have just been a dysfunctional organization for the recent history. And who knows if that's ever going to change. It stinks that this is the conversation about the Cardinals, though, AJ. Stinks. It does stink. But also, when do we expect Kyler back?

This season could be tough for the Arizona Cardinals. That might be a while. Maybe or not. Like how long? What if Colt McCoy? Would he tear it? Colt would be awesome. What if Colt McCoy? December, maybe? This season could be tough for the Arizona Cardinals. That might be a walk. Maybe or not. Like how long? When did he tear it? Colt would be awesome. What if Colt McCoy?

December maybe? It was the week before Christmas. Colt can win you some games. Is DeHop there or not? Not. Yeah. He's there right now, right? Oh, listen, Pac. Hey, listen, I know you look really cool today.

Not. We don't need source. Ciz. Right now. You're saying not, though. Not. We don't need source. Right now, you're saying not though. Not. That interview he did with IM Athlete where he was naming off other teams still after the whole thing to have with Arizona. That was an interesting

little development in the story. I mean, there's just... He's going to start the season there, obviously, but if around the trade deadline, they're 1-7 or whatever, are they going to keep him? I can't see that happening. DeHop starts the season as an Arizona Cardinal.

Negative. All right. Put it on the ticker, I guess. A team they've already done business with wants him, and he named him Baltimore. How about McDermott? Did he say how cool he looks? Maybe DeHop. That's cool.

How about how cool he looked there? He looks super cool. He's jocked. How come he didn't show how jocked he was? He is jacked. Haven't you seen that picture how jocked he was? He is jocked. Haven't you seen that picture of him when he was playing in college? He's a wrestler. Yeah, he's a former wrestler.

We talked to him about that, I think, the last time he came on the program. You think he's just got a Peloton next to the desk? Probably. A couple dumbbells, kettlebell. Got some pads he's rolling around on. He always is just coming from a workout. Bean comes in with a singlet. They do a little quick five.

Grapple. You and Jay. Cowboy boots. Jay really brought that. I did not know. If I hip-tossed him. Oh, yeah. Well, he would have broke his back.

He would have launched him off the stage. Yeah, but there's no way you're getting me hip-tossed. You know what I mean? Fat fucking J.S. McAfee. No way. He's got leverage, bro. He's got leverage. Is J and AQ still fighting, have we asked?

I don't think J's involved, but AQ, I think, still is. Yeah, J left. Got married. Oh, yeah. He moved. He moved back to California. So is there an opening in that fight camp? Yeah, there is. I don't live there yet. That's a leadership position, obviously. Yeah, absolutely. That's a pillar

of the entire fight camp. You've got leadership position, obviously. Yeah, absolutely. That's a pillar of the entire fight camp. Got to organize a lot. Team dinners. If they're still fighting in that rich guy's basement like five, ten years from now when I move over there, I'd love to be invited. Absolutely. How about them going into a fight club? Holy shit.

National High School Championship. Young Coach McDermott. That's a dog. Properly jocked. Properly jocked. Properly jockedck i thought he was born bald i can't even picture him with hair that's crazy think about this wrestling background football guy he's gonna run an awesome camp up there agent oh yeah and he's also seems to be

like one of those weirdly smart guys too that, that's super intelligent, but he also has, like, that wrestling background. Gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who everything he does is seemingly a lightning rod. Yes, that's right. Electrifying through and through, and although he is a newer, healthier, more properly jocked version of himself. Still has his fastball. And tonight, Slap 2 is taking place free on Rumble at 9 p.m. Eastern where two 400-pounders will be slapping the shit out of each other for all of us to watch along.

The president of the UFC, ladies and gentlemen, Fuck It Friday founder, Dana White. Yeah! What's up, man? What's up, boys? What's up, boys? How are you? Hey, how excited are you for this evening? Now, I know at the beginning of the Slap League starting, you were pumped because all the,

hey, you were getting shrapnel from everybody. This league isn't going to work. It's not going to be able to maintain. It's not healthy. It's going to fail. And there's still some moments out there that make you go, ooh, ooh, ooh. When the big fuck locks up like this, it doesn't stink. Now we got a massive night tonight,

Denny. You did it, seemingly. Thanks, buddy. Thank you, boys. Everybody's still talking shit, though, but it's all good. I love it. It's part of what fires me up and fuels me. I haven't felt this way in like 15 or 16 years, so it reminds me of when I

started the UFC. It's hard to fathom now when you look at how big the ufc is but this is exactly what used to happen with the ufc literally nobody would cover it all they did was talk shit about it this will never be a sport it'll never get on free t it'll tv it'll never do this it'll not i love all the fucking nevers i love them i love them can these can these athletes, these highly trained athletes, can they train for this, like for eating the shots? Yeah, of course you can work on hitting people, slapping people.

Do they do anything to try to toughen their jaw up or something? Yeah, I mean, there's no way that you can toughen your chin up. You know, you either have a chin or you don't. And most of the guys that compete in this have good chins to compete at this level. But there is a lot of network that these guys do and and and uh things that they work on in their regimen what's funny is when you look at when we did season one of road to the title uh you know you you saw these guys uh you know they weren't really in shape they're coming back now at the second event and these guys look like

they're in better shape and i'm not talking about the super heavyweights i'm talking about all the other guys that came off season one the super heavyweights are certainly a shape and i can't wait to see those two fucking shapes shape themselves and misshaped faces but so one of the guys the one of the guys uh slapper cash weighed in at almost 500 pounds the the hawaiian hitman weighed in at almost 400 pounds. And we got Evan Singleton and Trey Mitchell, who are two of the world's strongmen in those strongman competitions. Both of those guys weigh 400 pounds. They're going to be the

catchers for those guys. Okay, so we got 2,000 pounds of meat up on stage. They're going to smack each other in the face. Are you drug testing for these people? Yes. We're sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Everybody gets drug tests. And actually, because guys popped for drugs on the last one, they pre-tested all these guys. Is it USADA? Is it the same thing, or what is it? No, no, no, no. I don't have USADA money yet, buddy. Slap's doing well, but we don't have USADA money yet.

I heard there was 7 billion views. I pay 7 million a year for USADA for UFC. Okay, so let's talk about USADA. That's a big part of the conversation now with The Ultimate Fighter obviously launching in its 70th season, whatever it is. Massive smashing TV success. Michael Chandler and Conor McGregor.

This is going to be an electrifying season. And then USADA has been talked about the entire time because Conor has either not yet jumped into the USADA testing and then it's six months guaranteed. So all the MMA fans are trying to shape out what the future potentially looks like there. Do you have any information on that? And how excited are you for people to see Chandler

and Conor McGregor's ultimate fighter and then inevitably them fight as well? No, you're absolutely right. I mean, that's the big, you know, that's the big what, what, when, what, how and all that shit with USADA. When is he getting into the into the pool? And I know there was a big meeting with them. I want to say it was last week. Yeah, last week.

And, you know, Conor is going into the USADA pool any day. So I'm just waiting to see how that plays out. What a crazy thing. That's become a character in your company. You said you paid them $7 million. They should be paying you fucking $7 million for the amount of marketing. But they are a massive piece of the whole puzzle, are they not? Yeah.

Go cut that deal for me, Pat McAbee. You're out there cutting big big money fucking deals now over there and get you sounded to pay me seven million hold on let's talk about that because you are one of the only humans that i can actually ask and your answer is one that i will actually you know that will affect how i view things and you need to know that we told you this numerous times even though you think you're still some dumbass kid from Vegas or whatever. Like you are a piece of American dream lore here with how hard you've worked when you went to Disney or to ESPN with UFC. Did your people hate the move at the beginning? And I'm getting killed, bro. My people are so mad. Not everybody, obviously, but there

is larger portion of people than I expected that were so mad, calling me a sellout, saying the show's going to get ruined and everything like that. Did you did you stare down any of that whenever you got one over to ESPN and Disney? I stare that shit down with every single move I make every day. You got to cancel out a lot of the noise. At the end of the day, it's your life and it's your business and it's your decision on what you want to do. But I think what's happening is if you look at how you became successful and how you became popular and how this podcast blew up is because of this, this environment here. This is the environment that people want to go to.

I would much rather do this show than any of the linear TV shows out there. Hell yeah. It's much, much better. I'm starting to feel it. Let me tell you what. Once you start to get suits involved in your business and these fucking corporate guys who think they know what they're fucking

doing and most of them don't know jack shit. No. I'll tell you, you're going to see it with Barstool over the next couple of years too. They came in and they bought it out. They bought Portnoy out. I had a situation yesterday with Barstool. And it's turning into a corporate

fucking shit show too. It's what happens when you get these fucking suits involved in your business. So I don't know what happened. Listen, you're going to see how it's going to affect your business over the next several years. Okay, so that's what I was going to ask you though. I was going to ask you that. I assume when you negotiated with them

though, you said, hey, I am still going to be Dana White. My press conferences are still going to be in my press conferences. The fights are still going to be their fights. Like, I was very adamant about that in the entire conversation. And to their credit, they were as well. They were like, yeah, that's why we're bringing you in is for everything you just said. So I wonder about some situations like, was that not talked about beforehand? Because everybody just seemingly thinks it's inevitable with me. said so i wonder about some situations like was that not talked about beforehand because everybody

just seemingly thinks it's inevitable with me did did you assume that they were going to change it the suits life we're going to change you well think about this to disney's credit i'm still me and i'm still doing what i want to do that's what i'm doing that's what i'm trying to like it's interesting and i went through covet and i put my product on their on their platform so for what it's worth i see you busting with the boys out there you know you guys yeah they're out here yeah dude the video of you guys gambling with taylor in the roller coaster ride and how much money he's made what a fucking run last night we we go down last night taylor puts up 30 000 the first, he gets an 11. He doubles for $60,000. If he wins the hand,

it's a $120,000 hand. He loses. Oh, and him, he's fucking sick and he's... So he ends up, he's down $130,000 and we flip it and he comes all the way back

and he walks away with $67,000. Hey, here we go! Up $67,000, and he walks away with $67,000. Hey, here we go. Up $67,000? Yeah, he's up $67,000. So he trips the Vegas Gambler with me. He's won like almost $200,000. Yeah, you're a good person. I can't wait till we get the chance to ride the Dana White train at a blackjack table.

I'll tell you what, first hand out the gate losing $60,000. That'd be quite a tone setter. Yeah, it's kicking the dick. That would be quite a blackjack table. I'll tell you what, first hand out the gate losing 60 grand, that'd be quite a tone setter. That's kicking the dick. That would be quite a tone setter, but then hey, listen. This is just like a slap fest. Slap fight? Slap fight, we're calling them? Slap fest, slap fight, whatever you want to call it.

Well, tonight's super slap fest too. And whatever you talk about, there's going to be some times where you're going to get hit in the mouth. You're going to get a $60,000 smack in the mouth as soon as you sit down at that blackjack table. But guess what? Once that big fucker that caught you lifts you back up, you put some of that chalk right on your head. And all of a sudden, you're back in it.

And I'm happy to hear Taylor did that last night. Shout out to the boys over there. Shout out to the boys. Tone has a question for you. Dana? Yeah, Dana. When I was looking at the lineup for tonight for Smack 2, I noticed a trend along some of the contestants that they're bearded men.

Is that a performance enhancement in the slap? Have there been any studies on the beards on the face of these guys? Great question. Thank you. Because back in the old days with amateur boxing, you weren't allowed to have a beard and stuff like that. I just think beards are in right now. Beards are a thing.

These guys have them. I don't think it affects the thing anymore. Does your beard suck? Hey, does your beard suck? That's why you don't grow a beard? Or are you just too handsome? You don't do the beard? I'm just not a beard guy.

I'm a stubble guy. I'm not a beard guy. I understand. You look good. You look proper. I do see some of the beards on some of these guys, though. I would imagine it's hard to fucking see where their chin is. Wolverine's got a beard like down to here, but I don't know.

Good question, though. Not a bad question. Hey, what is the goal there, Dana? They're going palm, right? Is there rules to this on how? No. So if you go in with the palm, let me get in here. If you go in with the palm, it's clubbing.

It's a foul. And when you foul here, the other guy gets to take two shots. So when you foul here, there's big penalties for it. It's not like we're going to take the ball back 10 yards. You get fucking smacked twice, okay, if you foul. take the ball back 10 yards you get the get fucking smacked twice okay so because like some of the internet clips i think that we've seen before your league started that was the move it felt like the clubbing move i seem like that probably has been the dirty move in the slap game from forever and you guys were told about it immediately per jump yeah you know we had to

dive in and learn a lot about this but also we had to educate the athletic commission about it too so tonight i mean there's judges and referees and and people all over watching the files you're also not allowed to to move your feet your feet have to stay still um so so there's a lot of different rules i'm excited to kind of watch it all unfold rumble is an app i can download will be on my smart tv where will it be yes you can put it on it's on your smart tv on your on any device you can put it on it's on your smart tv on your on any device you can watch it it's basically like youtube you download it it's live it's free it's on rumble tonight six o'clock on the west coast nine o'clock on the east coast hey you

what hey that was good you were you operating did you hear yourself i don't know if you heard yourself you're right in the middle of that thing you're wearing the rumble sports shirt is this something that's going to continue to grow you think you think rumble yeah i i mean we're the ones that launched rumble sports so we got we own another company called 301 you know we own ridiculousness nitro circus the sls skate league um and travis pastrana's uh rally car so hell we're starting a whole sports package with rumble dude i went to nitro circus's uh stadium show here in indianapolis they rented out a high school near my house and i heard i saw a sign that said nitro circus this way and i'm like can't be actual nitro circus they sold out this fucking stadium yeah they built like a 40 foot

ramp in the middle of the fucking uh field we're talking sending i think they sent a car off of this back flips in front of everybody it was like this entire and they were picking up going to another stadium like the next day their full business ridiculousness is only on tv all the time how long have you owned all this is and this is you have so much money dana you know what i mean you have so much dude so much that's real uh well we're doing a reboot of nitro circus you remember you used to watch night circus. Well, we're doing a reboot of Nitro Circus. Remember you used to watch Nitro Circus on MTV? We're doing a reboot of it where it's almost like an embedded series that leads up to a live stunt, and it'll be on television.

We're working on a deal right now with Roku. Speaking of that type of product, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Dana, with the new McGregor doc that just came out, obviously it's kind of taken over for Netflix right now. Have you thought or have fighters approached you to kind of make a doc about who they are? For instance, Chandler, because he's about to fight McGregor. Sugar Sean, Stipe, maybe Jon Jones.

Do guys ask you to do that or do they do them on their own and then bring it to you? Or how are you involved if you are at all? Well, no. Conor did that. You know, Conor is a different animal. I mean, he's a global superstar. So, you know, it's not easy just to whip out a documentary, you know,

and do it. But we have a doc. We're doing a deal right now with Roku. We're filming a documentary behind the scenes of the UFC. That'll come out later this year. You? Is it following your day-to-day? The whole business. The whole business.

The whole business. Really? So, like, your office with that, what's that one gun? Oh, yeah. The AK-47? With the headslight. Yeah.

Are we going to get to see everything over there? Yeah, yeah. You guys will see all the behind the scenes. We're working on that. We're also working on a show right now with Adam Sandler

that's a comedy about working in the offices of the UFC. It's going to be a hit. Yeah. Sandman's involved. It's going to be a home run. I couldn't have heard better fucking news than Dana White and Sandman are teaming up together. This is a great Wednesday. Pac-Man has a question for you, Dana.

Hey, can we bet? Can we bet on the slap thing and where can we bet on? And when is, uh, Jones, uh – I see he's out of the hole. I guess he's back in public. When will he fight again? Another great question, brother. Yes, you can bet on this everywhere. You can bet on it.

Any casino in Vegas, they all have it in Vegas. Online DraftKings or any of your favorite places to bet online all have the odds up, and you can bet on them tonight, yes. And Jon Jones, we're working on something for him. Uh, later, later this year, everybody knows we're hopefully targeting MSG and,

possibly him and Steve Amy. Hey, I've heard a couple of fighters before saying like not fighting in New York because the taxes, is that a real thing you have to battle whenever you're negotiating with top stars? Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No doubt about it. You know, taxes are an issue to guys. Uh, um, uh, certain athletic yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. You know, taxes are an issue to guys. Certain athletic commissions. There's a lot of different. People don't realize how many different things go into making a fight

and what goes on behind the scenes. Go ahead, AJ. How far out are you on some of these fights? Like, how far out are you scheduling fights right now? Are you 18 months in it? Like, how do you do that? Yeah, we're probably, we're into August right now are you 18 months in it like how do you do that yeah we're probably uh we're into august right now hey that's not bad securing the venues and then obviously getting

fighters and then guys back out and you gotta are you doing that more where you pay guys to be an alternate and weigh in on the day of in case someone drops out is that 100 so i'm in the slap war room right now but if i was in the uf war room, you know, it's laid out and I'll have like, I'll have like three different possibilities. It'll say something like, you know, May 24th and there'll be three different possibilities. It could be Boston, Miami, Newark. So those are the three that are available.

And we start to try to build cars that we think would work for for that uh you know that location and that's basically how they're built and how we decide in that war room when somebody went up on the dry race board and said all right we got the hawaiian hitman and then he can fight this fucking slap for cash guy we got 400 pounds versus 488 maybe 490 that's where you need to talk about that obviously is that what you do you try to get high profile fights first you're trying to fill card first well what we did was we started out with the obviously wolverine and the bell is is for the heavyweight title aj hinch who if there was a pound for pound rankings in this sport he'd probably be

the pound for pound number one guy in the world oh Oh, good job. Taking on the other Hawaiian, Russell Rivera. And then, you know, the other title fight was the Machine Davis and Wesley Drain. Then we slapped for cash. We started talking to him. And he actually wanted to fight the Hawaiian hitman's brother. The brother said, I'm not ready now. So the other brother came in.

It's an awesome storyline with two monsters. so it made all the sense in the world on all those behind the scenes times a question yeah dana considering how much success you've had with the ultimate fighter i know with slap it like uh it was it's a little bit tournament style but have you considered down the line here like hey we're just gonna do an ultimate slapper as well get these guys all living in a house and just having them smack the shit out of each other 24-7 with cameras on them? We did that.

Yeah, you do, first. Well, that's what I mean. I mean, watch them all in the product, Ty. That was season one. That's what I thought. Season one, we did that. Oh, yeah. That's how we launched this whole thing.

Oh, yeah. Okay, got it. Are we running it back? Will you do everything that had success with UFC? So it's a fucking great idea. All right, have a great night tonight. Good luck, best wishes. And we can't thank you enough for your time, boss man.

I appreciate it. Always a pleasure with you guys. Congrats on all your success. Again, I say it every fucking time I'm on the show. Every time I'm on the show, you i'm on the show you blow up to another level and i have to fucking congratulate you again well it's unbelievable hey you too pal i mean let's not get crazy and i'm only what a couple years into this you've only been up in the game for what 25 30 years at this point so if i get another couple decades maybe i could be your fucking hey

you look thin you look good thank you i appreciate Is that the Brecca thing? Gary Brecca. Yep, 10XL. So what do you do? You're taking the juice? You're taking all the juice? No. So I do the same workout I've been doing for years. I'm off all the doctor's meds. I only take supplements, you know, natural supplements.

And I do his superhuman protocol, which is cold plunge in the morning. There's this alkaline pad that you lay on that alkalines your body. I do the oxygen therapy and I do the red light therapy. I do it every day religiously. I have zero inflammation in my body. My weight's down 40 pounds. I eat keto and I don't snore anymore. I don't have sleep apnea. My legs aren't fucked up. I could go on for an hour. All the shit that this guy has fixed on me. Hey, we're proud of you, man. Keep going.

It's not easy. Ladies and gentlemen, Dana White. All right, so let's get a cold tub, guys. Put it outside. What's his alcohol? He's not sleeping on it. He's just laying on it all the time? Yeah, I guess.

In a yoga mat? In a war room? Yeah, what is it? What's the red light there? I've seen the red light. Look it up. Is that like red light district in Amsterdam? They are very expensive.

Yeah, same thing. The hotline pads? No, if you go to that site, the red light and the oxygen thing is very expensive. The red light sauna? The infrared sauna? Yeah. You can get cheaper versions, though, I think. No, it's not a sauna.

It's like a tanning bed. Yeah, it's like a tanning bed. I have a little red light thing. What do you mean? I have a small one. I have a small red light deal that you can strap to your knee, and it claims it helps with inflammation. How long am I laying in this bed?

Is it like a tan? Like 10 minutes? Four hours? No way. Then two hours in the cold plunge. So you're lying. You're trying to ruin this guy's thing. You're a prick.

Never would have guessed you'd be this out of control with your lives. I mean, if 30 minutes is good, an hour is better. They're selling that on the internet? That's the complete package. Oh, okay. Magnetism? Want that? Oxygen? Light? Without them, we cannot survive. Amen. But with them, we're superhuman.

Take control of your well-being by the three-step superhuman protocol designed to give healing power back to the human body using magnetism, oxygen, and light. I like how they started it and then ended it with the same three words. Package includes 10X Theralight 360 HD bed, version 3, Hypermax oxygen generator system, PureWave PEMF mat. White glove shipping and delivery. It's coming clean. Wow. Of course. Yeah. Nice.

So which one's the alkaline thing? The mat? Yeah. The pure wave mat. It's right there on the left, too, you see. And then the standalone that's telling you the rules, that comes with the package. Yeah. Is that the oxygen thing?

Is that just... So I can't put the alkaline mat in the red bed because then my back's not getting the red. That's right. So I'm laying in a bed and the alkaline mat in the reg bed because then my back's not getting the reg. That's right. So I'm laying in a bed and the alkaline thing two different times. I wonder. Well, the mat on its own. It's a process. Like cold porn, red light, alkaline mat, all of it he does.

Boost your well-being on what we like to call the biocharger mat. This mat pumps PEMF, pulsed electromagnetic fields. Depending on the frequency of the level, this can be used to enhance blood flow. Our PEMI technology helps the body to increase circulation, blood flow, and oxygen. How long am I laying on here? 15 minutes a day. Here we go. Hypermax oxygen. 15 minutes a day

to transform your overall well-being. Hypermax offers the smallest footprint on the market. Creating a cylinder is expensive. That's why no other bag offers this space-saving design utilizing the highest medical grade TPU single-laminated nylon. Offers flexibility and durability while

eliminating harmful VOCs. So it's only 15 minutes there, and you're going to lay on the mat for 15, and you go to bed for 15? What am I in? Oh, that's the expensive part, the light bed. What's the hypermax oxygen thing? That's like a tent I'm going in? What is that? It's like a tanning bed? Oh, that's the expensive part, the light bed. What's the hypermax oxygen thing? That's like a tent I'm going in? What is...

Oxygen. Her mask is attached to the bag. Flow mask? Oh, so it's attached to that thing on the right. Oh, so you wear a mask while you lay on the mat, maybe? And then I put that stand thing next to it so everybody knows what the fuck I'm doing? Yep, exactly.

So the light bed is $125,000. It'll be in the Thunderdome next week. I mean, there's a chance we get all this stuff. The health light bed, the 10X health light bed is a non-invasive treatment process that is used to improve soft tissue healing. It is the easiest and arguably the most relaxing part of the superhuman program. Does it tan you too? If it did, that'd be...

I don't believe so. Dana didn't seem that tanned. We have you lay on a near-infrared light therapy bed that allows you to harness many potential benefits from the sun. Huh? Oh, so if I... I got the sun in a box. AJ, you have this bed?

I got the sun in a box. No, I don't have that bed. I got the little... I have some of those little small red light things, though. They can strap to your knee or strap to wherever you want. Oh, like that thing? The panels? Supreme Protocol with red light panels. No want. Oh, like that thing? The panels? Supreme Protocol with red light panels.

I don't have that big. The stuff I have is small. Cold plans would be cool, though. Just three minutes a day. Yeah, but who's keeping it clean? And who's putting the ice back in? Filter? Oh, no. You've got to automate a cold tub that has a compressor and everything. Keeps it cold. You think Dana's dumping ice in a trash can every morning? Maybe. You don't know. I've seen all these

people on the internet with these things. I'm like, who's putting the ice in there every day? Me? I've got to go get the every morning? Maybe. You don't know. I've seen all these people on the internet with these things. I'm like, who's putting ice in there every day? Me? I got to go get the ice every single day. You don't need ice. What is it? You don't need it. What do you mean?

It keeps it cold on its own. It's like 30 grand. It certainly has ice in it. Like, AQ's got one that has no ice. Really? Yeah. Wait, but how does he clean it? It's filtered.

It has a whole system. Look him up. Like the one at the stadium? Like 30, 40 grand. I don't know. Are you talking about like a jacuzzi one? Yeah, at the stadium. Y'all don000, $40,000. I don't know. Are you talking about like Jacuzzi one? Yeah, at the stadium. Y'all don't have one there?

Yeah, we did, but somebody had to put fucking ice in that thing. I mean, it was like, it was cool. No, not in the stadium. No, at the stadium. Those stay cold. No, they stay cold. They don't put ice in them. Not in Cincy.

Yeah. No. They don't put ice in them. Go to Cincy didn't have those. I don't know. I think I've seen people dumping ice. Yeah. I think I've seen people dumping ice in these things.

A lot of this. I need a lot of ice around. You know, if you're at a football facility, a lot of ice. Very prevalent. Unlock protocols from Dr. Andrew Huberman. Take the plunge. Nice, Huberman. Take the plunge.

Powerful cooling right down to 30 degrees Fahrenheit. That's it. Not even. That's it. Not even. That's not that cold. That is very cold. Oh, I know. You get into a pool that's like in the 70s. It's like, oh, my God, is this the fucking Glacier that took up Titanic?

I've actually genuinely thought about that flash freeze day multiple times just because of how cold that was. That took your breath away when you got out of the car do you remember that when they said oh yeah oh dr frost is coming through yeah so mother nation's gonna have a rain and then they're gonna actually yes just freeze it all the wind you got guys like aj guy oh good i'm gonna fill up the tub go sit in this thing hey you do cold tub every day no i've never been a big cold tub guy i never i didn't i didn't use it when i played i've used it more post career than before okay so i was a cold

tub guy whenever i played loved the cold tub enjoyed the hell out of the cold tub yeah but i just always assumed that it would be so much shit to deal with like so much because anytime we got water involved yeah upkeep yeah oh it is you just gotta spend the money to get those ones that are pretty much you just have to change the filter every once in a while. Here's one that cleans itself and stays cold all the time. Okay. We like this one. Let's get one of these in the house.

I think that's what AQ's has. I believe that's what AQ's has. Oh, there's a hot and cold. These are so huge right now. Cooling Speed Pro. Well, that's because Dr. Brekka and Rogan are just jumping on cold. And Posner. And Posner. Hoff.

Hoff is the beginning of all of this. Don't put Posner in that fucking... Posner loves cold tubs, Tony. Yeah, okay, but don't put him in with those other names. Why? I took a pill and a visa. Then I took a cold plug. Is everyone a wine shirt?

He looks cool, doesn't he? Oh, that is sweet. Thank you, AJ. See that? That's the same exact reaction he got in the game. You are Ruffle Feathers. Wear a new shirt. That's what you said.

And it's like, yeah, we were all complimenting you, dude. No, you guys were not complimenting me. Yes! This is what we do. Why do you think AJ wears black shirts every day now? It's because every day he used to come on and you guys would comment about his new shirt. We're not the only one. What are we talking about?

Yeah, we talk about things that happen in our world. So sue us. Actually, don't. Well, this new shirt is courtesy of this show because we are all sellouts now. And this is my sellout shirt. Are those your sellout glasses? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, thank you.

You look like you're like. Did you know he was going to have this kind of reaction when you put it on this morning? Absolutely. Did he have some kind of function? No, I didn't. He knew how fucking cool he looked. I actually said, Fox, he has a really cool shirt. That's a cool going out shirt.

Bold move wearing it anyway. Yeah, and that's basically what I said. Why? Why are you guys so negative? Good for you, Fox. Yeah, definitely wear your shirt. Thank you, Fox. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. Fox, you look incredible.

Thank you. Now, granted, I will say you're not the only one. Have you seen what this dude looks like today, Pac-Man? That's awesome. What is that? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Thanks, guys. I didn't even know.

The hell's Pac? It wasn't what you said. It was how you said it. Yeah. I get it. What is that? Where would I go get that? How do I get one of those?

That whole outfit. This was sent to me. Yeah, you got to know Mr. Gucci. You would never understand, AJ. Sorry. I don't. So maybe don't just throw rocks at things that shine like you did. Yeah.

What is that? We don't need that. What the hell? We don't need that at all. People, yeah. People think you're dead serious sometimes. Yeah, I saw some comments yesterday that whenever we said, no offense, Mickey Mouse,

people were taking that very literally. Oh, really? Look at this. It's already started. I'm scared to say Mickey Mouse. Well, well, well. All right, let's go to the phones. Jesus.

Ready, start. Scared to say Mickey Mouse. Well, well, well. All right, let's go to the phones. Jesus. Andy Reid, I guess, has spoken about the new kickoff fair catch rule. Andy Reid certainly had some thoughts on the kickoff. My thing is, where does it stop, right?

We start taking pieces and we'll see how this goes. But you don't want to take too many pieces away or you'll be playing flag football. Andy Reid is a man whose brain is one of the greatest football brains of all time, alongside many others that have the exact same thought. And this was kind of... Now, my big takeaway as soon as I heard about it was, that's Mickey Mouse. That's Bush League bullshit. But then you immediately go to, well, what's next?

If they're willing to do this, is the punt just going to be snap, punt, fair catch, that's where the ball is. And then once it becomes that, it's very easy to eliminate. Be like, this is terrible. We're not doing it. The kickoff is terrible. This is so boring.

It's not even a competitive play. It's like, you're the ones that made the rules to make it not that way. I think that's how we all feel. Yeah, and we want the game to stay the same. Then they talking about switching the rules like we was talking about the other day to the UXL. XFL. XFL. Like, I can't even pronounce it. Better yet, change the fucking day to the uxl uh xfl xfl like i can't even pronounce it better yet

to the game jesus christ man we need we need the game to stay the same returners we don't need to take the returners out the game no it's a part of the game yeah here's a massive part of the game i got a message from um and i'm just now opening and seeing it but i did see the first line of it and i apologize for not going i never never venture into my messages, especially now. These last couple weeks have been a little bit loud, so I do not go in there often because I don't want to know. Whatever I'm being asked to do, I don't even want to

know that I was potentially thought of for that because I don't want to feel bad about something. So I just keep myself eliminated from it. On Twitter though, I forget who, I think maybe I think it was Steve, I don't know, somebody I had to reach out to, I go over here. Sam Schwartstein, who has sent me a lot of messages I've not seen. I apologize, Sam. I'm not in here.

I do not see this. I have not seen this. He's one of the rules creators for the XFL. He's a former Stanford guy. Remember? Remember this dude? He was teammates with Andrew Luck. Then he, big brain guy, was one of the rules creators for the XFL. His first line was, I would love to come on and discuss the kick the rules creators for the XFL. His first line was,

I would love to come on and discuss the kickoff I created for the XFL. I understand why you may not like it, but I can at least dive deep into the data on why the NFL doesn't like the current kickoff, the high velocity impact plays, kickoffs play create, and then how to think of alternatives. Yeah, you didn't think of the idea, okay, Sam? You're very smart.

Every special teams coach in the history of the NFL has had a delayed or a stalled kickoff start line to save people's lives. You took a drill from practice and made it the game thing. Still have respect for you and your brain, but you didn't create this thing out of nowhere. This is just a classic drill, and I understand that some data, we'd like to hear the precursors on the data.

We'd like to know when people are running faster than 23 miles an hour, 20 miles an hour, over a span of 40 yards, the kickoff is the highest concussion percentage and they've gone up or whatever. We'd like to hear what the precursors are because from watching the game, now granted, the kickoff has become something vastly different because they don't allow run-ups

anymore. Everybody is basically in a hands-team setup, so it's much different than it was even six years ago, seven years ago. But watching the game, it doesn't feel like every kickoff somebody's getting hurt. It doesn't seem like it's disproportional to anything else. And it's like when you do

these types of things, it's just leading to more things that we don't like. So I have respect for the XFL and the innovation. They created the fucking Skycam way back in the day. They have a great review system that I hope the NFL takes over. There's been a lot of great things that have come through the XFL in some of these leagues. This one, though, shut up.

I don't want to hear it. This is not football. You know what I mean, AJ? I don't want to hear it. It's not. It's not, man. That's why I'm worried because we'll see how many times it's even implemented, how many fair catches are called on kickoffs.

But the fact that Raj wants it to be like a one-year tester to see, hey, how do the numbers look? Of course you're going to show less concussions because no one's going to return the ball. Yes. I need those numbers to tell me that concussions went down. I need those numbers. We can 4X,

5X those numbers, right? Can't we? Living plus? How would they know in the plus? How would they know in the UF, whatever the league called, how would they know? How many seasons they done had? XFL? Yeah. Three?

Yeah. This would be the third ownership, three seasons. So how would they have any doubt that that way is way safer than what it used to be? Don't we normally try these things in preseason first? Yeah, before implementing them. Like Sam Schwartz seemed probably a great guy. I mean, I met him one time when I was covering the XFL

on the third team on the sideline, which I did not agree to do, and I only did one game, and I'd never do another one. And he seemed like a good guy. He seemed like a good guy. Absolutely. But we need less people saying we can change the game to make it a better game. The game is already the best fucking game.

Exactly. Okay? It's not, bro. The game is the best game. You're right. Where does it end? Like, do we stop having, let's say a team gets the ball to the one-yard line. Are they saying, hey, this is too physical of a play.

Guys are ramming their heads into each other. No more goal line. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't even say it. No more fullback. No more fullback within two-yard line. Your words are spells. Your words goal line. Don't even say it. No more fullback within two yard line. Your words are spells. No goal line defense

is allowed. Nobody's allowed to do this. Yeah, exactly. Running back can't jump over the pile anymore. They already thought about it with the sneak. Quit doing it, AJ. You right. Dump that. Dump that so nobody hears it. If they get rid of the punt,

Chiefs probably, maybe they do, but Chiefs without Kadarius Toney's punt return, do they win that game still? That would change rosters. They're already. It's already. It's already doing it. They have less players in the team, I feel like. And then think about, like, there's no way they're going to tell people to return.

The plan for teams kickoff will be, hey, we're either taking a touchback or we're fair catching. That's it. And if they kick it in front of the 25-yard line, somebody catch it, you're fair catching as well. Don't need to even institute returns. No need for really. Probably work on it last two, won't you?

Don't you think they might not get as much time to work on it too? Because you're like, hey, we're not returning anything and we're not really covering kicks. Like, we've got to be there in case they do, but many are coming out it just takes strategy out of the game i don't know why you would want a game that's why you would want to do that now they say they have stats and i have contested numerous times in this microphone stats are an interesting thing i think as we learn more about stats the more intrigued we all are about stats because somehow stats are on everybody's team and then we'll watch something like succession yep and stats and numbers are a massive part of this

entire program that people think are kind of based off of real life situations and you hear people give me a number for this i need a number for this i need a number for this and then we watch things on tv it's like that person clearly said i need a number to paint this story. And it's like, numbers are on everybody's side. Yes. Depending on how you dress them up, numbers are on everybody's side. So it's just like, I wish they did just show us all the data so that we could just go, oh, they're right. I guess this is a real

problem. I guess this is a real problem. But what I'm thinking is that's not the case. I think we're going to see it and be like, oh, isn't that interesting? Let's listen to our thoughts on this entire stat that we have in there. And that's a never-ending circle. And where will we stop if we're worrying about lawsuits and fake numbers? Yeah, exactly.

And I could be wrong, but don't you think that if they showed these stats to special teams coaches and stuff like that, and if those guys do care about the players, and it was overwhelmingly like, hey, if guys are returning on special teams like there's a 40 chance they're gonna they're gonna get a concussion like you would think that maybe a couple of those guys would be like okay we'll consider it but they they didn't have any of that which is why goodell had to go back and be like nope we're voting again and you guys don't want to get sued so we're doing this it's interesting it's an interesting thing right now it doesn't make sense for the current time in which the nfl is in too nfl is

kind of baby face right now yeah everyone loves it nfl is kind of baby face and like to do this it's like you're kind of taking a step back into like the what the fuck weeds yeah you probably think so doesn't know you think raj thinks that the general casual fans won't really notice won't really care yeah and this once again it's not going to affect that much. But when it does. It is. Well, strategy. It completely changes complete strategy and emphasis and everything like that.

But kickers are just going to kick touchbacks. They're all going to wait for touchbacks or fair catches. And that's the game. So I guess it does affect everything. But if the ball is one yard in the end zone, that's a need guaranteed. Well, and don't you think that there will be special teams coaches? Unless you do the bills, you got the best return in the league. I'm pretty sure he's bringing it out regardless. McDermott?

Packers. Packers are bringing it out too now. For how long? Well, that's what I was going to say. If it doesn't work? Yeah, if the guy does it one time and they're telling him, like, hey, you should fair catch and he gets tackled at, like, the six-yard line, are they going to cut his ass right away do you expect what if you fumble uh do you expect squib kicks things that'll force returns mckay who's the head of the competition committee was

asked no i don't it doesn't mean they won't do it but we went back and looked at college okay i'm so sick of this bro come on dude it's not the same sport it's just a different league different everything kickers the kickers in college versus the kickers in the NFL. Way different. Everything, like, it's just. AJ, we was talking about when. I don't even want to read. We get the concussion thing on Monday, and we go in and say,

oh, we had a concussion. Well, what play did we have the concussion on? Was it on offense, defense, special team? Like, that's what we was talking about with the numbers. Like, a lot of that is just to cover up the nfl but i come in on monday like hey i've been dizzy the whole weekend hey you remember what play happened no i finished the game don't remember to play but uh we think it's think it happened on the kickoff return yeah and i understand it's a high collision thing but it's football too like yeah and I think we're at a stage now, and who knows what the future will indicate.

And Roger Goodell has to look out for future lawsuits, I guess, especially after the one happened after Will Smith was the doctor, where former players, I think they each got like $45 in the end, but it was like a $5 billion, multiple-billion-dollar lawsuit that ended up getting settled for a couple hundred million. And then that money was dispersed over a large amount of people. And just like the Ed O'Bannon one, where I got a check for like, I think, $527 or something. I'm like, thank you.

Yep. Thank you for doing that. That's awesome. It was an honor to be in the game. But now that I'm making real money, thank you for that 500 bucks and that whole thing. I think we're at a different stage where it's much more like, yeah, we signed up for this, though. Yeah. Yeah.

Part of the game. Doesn't it feel like that? And we know, and people understand that don't play football, they get that the NFL is doing a lot to take all these violent collisions out. They understand we're trying to protect players. Just go watch clips from 10 or 12 years ago, and you're like, oh my goodness, you can't do any of this now.

Like everything, just horse collar and submarine and into piles, all that stuff that used to be football isn't anymore and it's probably a good thing it's out. Let's go to the phones. Happy Andy Reid's on our side though. Hell yeah. Absolutely. Big get. Definitely other head coaches that are as well. I had a couple people

tweet basically that they know better than us. Of course. I love that. What do you mean? Just concussions and stuff and like no kickoff plays in general like they had brand new schemes and ideas that people were going to do and it's like okay what are you gonna do who are you talking to you know you're fucking talking to right now what do you i understand that the internet you can pop off about anything but humans with actual avatars

actual names not being a burner a a troll, real human out there, just laying out where I don't understand, like, kickoff and what could happen, everything like that. I was just so dumbfounded. I'm like, this is what we've allowed to happen. Yeah. We can change that. Yes, we can. I don't think so.

Stupid's always going to happen. That's true. I mean, look at us. But also, do you think? Very, very dumb. Not don't think so. Stupid is always going to happen. That's true. I mean, look at us. But also, do you think? You're very, very dumb. Not in this particular field, though. Feel pretty good. This is kind of in our wheelhouse.

True. Actually in our wheelhouse. Well, this side of the table, no. Yeah, I'm more so than over here. AJ, you were on a punt team, right? Oh, yeah. Punt team. I did a little bit of everything.

Kickoff? Punt team. Always punt team. I messed around in there a few times, yeahoff return practice or game both done i mean i was in special teams meeting my whole career uh and i was always backing up other positions but yeah i started on punt team a decent amount what are you doing you're doing c blocks out there you're coming all the way around to sign up getting to two getting to three what were you doing on punt team punt kickoff return kickoff return i mean i was always a front line

guy i got i got hit when i was when i was four years uh left wing punt in college that's where i like that's where i realized how big of a deal punt is because jim trestle says all the time it's most important playing football that's where i learned how to stay on my guy's hip and how we create a pocket they can't come in and block this sucker if it gets blocked it's the punter's fault because it got off too late if they come around the edge maybe a snap or two let's speed up the snap a little bit but i understand yeah definitely the punter's fault because it got off too late. If they come around the edge. Maybe a snap or two. Let's speed up the snap a little bit. But I understand. Yeah, definitely the punter's fault as well.

But you were on kickoff return for real, and you were running down with like a five? Three? Yeah, a little bit. Not much in the league, but in college I did it. My freshman year, I almost blew the national championship, I feel like. We went 14-0 my freshman year. We played Illinois at Illinois, and it was a time where they were going to try to kick it right at one of us. And I knew he was going to kick it at us.

We only won the game by three or four points. And I was like, all right, if he's going to kick it at me, I'm squaring up to this dude. I squared up directly in front of him, exactly like what you said. You would have blasted the ball off somebody. I was like, if I would just square up, give him all, just don't even take away any of my body, he's just going to – there's no way he can hit me.

Guess what? Fire that sucker, hit me right in the ankle, and I scrambled my ass off to try to get on that ball. Luckily, we recovered it, but's no way he can hit me. Guess what? Fire that sucker. Hit me right in the ankle and I scrambled my ass off to try to get on that ball. Luckily, we recovered it, but I think back of that now, I'm like, how stupid was I? I just helped Coach Trestle with that too. He's like, why did you square up to him? We've never done that. I was like,

you know, Coach, I thought he might not hit me. Obviously, he's pretty good. Trestle has that, whatever he's like, we get in a runner stance okay because we got to get back take away some of your surface area too you can do that easily let's slide direct we've told you this numerous times let's not stand directly in front of the fucking guy i mean because at least if you're off center if he misses you that goes out of bounds yeah you know what i mean or

or something like that very rare do you get somebody standing directly in front of you. I wanted to see him. I was like, I want to see him because I can react to this kid. And I could not do that. You thought you was going to catch it, didn't you? No, I thought I was like, if I'm squared up first off, he's probably going to try to hit me and he's going to mess up and kick it out of bounds. But if he does kick it right at me, I want to be squared up

so I can move either way is what I felt. You wanted him to think, oh, this is easy. This guy just did what I wanted him to do so that he oversights himself out. I can't do it. You want to kind of double stamp that thing. Yeah, that's what a dumb probably shouldn't have an 18-year-old freshman on your squad when you're going to try to win a national championship.

Nah, he figured it out. It all worked out. Ball and a lie. Ball and a lie. Thank my teammates. Thank my teammates for falling on that one. Well, that's special teams, which is why every football person loves it. It's like very, very team-oriented and very strategy-based. And now they're just getting rid of it. I hate it. It's very, very team oriented and very strategy based. Now they're just getting rid of it. I hate it. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Dennis in Jersey.

Dennis, what's going on, pal? Hey, what's going on, Pat? Hey, Jay and the boys. How you doing? That wasn't a bad start. Go ahead, pal. That was good. I just wanted to comment and show some love and appreciation. I know there's a lot of stooges on the internet calling you a sellout,

and I feel like this is just like a 1999 Survivor Series when WWE Superstar The Rock started dropping the corporate eyebrow and the corporate elbow and raising the corporate eyebrow, and everybody was hating on him. And that was just a launch pad to the Superstar that we all know that he had. And I feel like you and the boys with the program are on the same ascension and in a couple years we're going to look back and all these people are going to say

like, oh we knew all along, we knew all along, we know they're full of shit. We know Dennis yeah, they're liars they're flipping flopping like a pair of sandals thank you sir, appreciate you Dennis shout out Danny love being prepared to WWE Superstars yeah, especially The Rock, that was when he turned heel he turned heel and then that was whenever The Rock It was a good reference. Shout out, Danny. I love being compared to WWE superstars. Yeah.

Amen, brother. That was when he turned heel. Yeah, exactly. He turned heel, and then that was whenever The Rock and Stone Cold were able to really... Yeah. Go. You know. But then old Steve, he fell into the dollar as well.

Yes, he did. He did. He kind of comes back around. But... And then he stunned the shit out of Vince McMahon once and for all. Yes, he did. Dallas, Texas, two years ago. Mm-hmm. Put him into it all. He did. It's over. That was one of the McMahon once and for all. Yes, he did. Dallas, Texas, two years ago. Put an end to it all.

He did. It's over. That was one of the best stunners of all time. Vince McMahon, Steve Austin. Out of his shoes. Yeah. Yeah. Stunned him out of his freaking shoes.

Out of his legs. He got him twice. Out of his legs. He stunned him out of his legs. Yeah. Even before the pre-stun. Yeah. Got him out of his legs.

Yeah. I was watching a clip the other day where Steve was pretty sold in. I believe it was Kurt Angle. It was Steve. It was The Undertaker. It was Kane. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. That's a motivational speech. Steve was very about it. Did he play that? I love it. I'm in. I think we actually could play it if we wanted to. I don't know if anybody over there would hit us with a lawsuit.

I don't think. That clip is awesome. It is so good. All together. Hey, I don't think. That clip is awesome. It is so good. All together. Hey, watch old wrestling clips. If you're not a wrestling fan now, first of all, I understand if you didn't grow up with it, you're not a wrestling fan.

You don't get it. You don't fully understand it. Everything in life is wrestling. Everything is a work. Everything, there's a baby face, there's a heel. You just got to learn who's who, why they're doing what they're doing. It is what wrestling is.

But you can go down some Attitude Era clips. Oh, baby. Oh, my God. They're unbelievable. Just know that Undertaker's scary. Steve, awesome. Yep. Kurt Angle, just hilarious Olympic champion.

Yep. Triple H and Shawn Michaels and D-Generation X, fuckery. Oh, yeah. They are for, fuckery. Oh, yeah. They're there for the fuckery. And Vince McMahon was the asshole billionaire boss, bought in completely, so public. You watch, like, a couple of those 45-second clips, it's literally right back. It's like, oh, this is awesome. Oh, yeah.

In the rock, in Stone Cold. And due to that heel turn, which I was close to doing. I was close to doing, I was close to doing last week after the announcement, I'm like, you know, fuck it. I am.

I'm going in. I'm turning heel. I have too much love for the people that watch the show. We're too lucky to do what we do. It's true. Way too lucky to do what we do. So there's no reason for me to turn heel and start just attacking everybody because people don't fully comprehend something they haven't seen before. But we're about to do just that.

Absolutely. Hell yeah. Those clips, you're not kidding. I am someone who wasn't into wrestling basically until you started doing it in 2018. They are. Nothing has ever been on TV like what was happening in the early 2000s. Some of those clips get brought back up and say, hey, this would never fly.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking they wouldn't fly. Yeah. Yeah. You saw what they were doing with Raw, though, that third hour. Yeah. Allegedly turned that thing back into PG-13.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, no more PG era, potentially for the third hour of Monday Night Raw on USA Network. Get some Sable? I don't know. Sure. I do not know.

I do not know. All right, a couple more phone calls. Let's go to Brian in Pittsburgh on a 500G phone line. What's going on Brian as we wrap up this winter Wednesday? Hey Pat. Hey boys. Much mana. How we doing? Shout out Will Sasso and Brian in Pittsburgh. What's going on? Hey brother.

Just wanted to let you boys know congratulations on all the success. Yes, that is a great move. I also, Pat, have a very special message for you from one of your former WU teammates. Nice. Do you mind if I give him the A.J. Hawk intro? Absolutely, pal. All right.

Absolutely, pal. All right. He is the first Division I football player to get a scholarship out of Northwestern Lehigh High School. He is a tobacco-dippin', leg-whippin', whiskey-sippin', son-of-a-gun. Donovan Gunn. He played and started at right guard and right tackle for WU, where he opened up some big, big holes for Pat White and Steve Slayton. He is Jake Figner, number 73. Big fig. All right, appreciate you, brother.

That was awesome. Jake deserved that. Jake would not have loved that that was happening But he definitely deserved that Obviously, whenever he started When he was doing the whole breakdown I was thinking to myself All the teammates that we had back there It's like, man, what a cool road we've had to get here You know what I mean?

All the people you kind of meet And I guess with all the shit we've going on, I'm getting a lot of text messages from a lot of different chapters of my being, you know? It's great to hear from everybody, you know? Yeah, you said that Zoom, didn't you guys have a Zoom call? Yeah. And you said that was unbelievable. It was great to see it. Because he was

not, we were not at the same time. He was right before me, him and Slim left. But it was like kind of his generation, which I obviously know them. I've seen them around. And then our generation was in there. It was a nice chat. It was the good old days back there in Morgantown, man.

Interesting conversations that we had, man. It was awesome. I thought he was talking about Dan Moses. Big Moses. This guy. Fig was the dog. There he is blocking for me, kicking down there in Mississippi State. He was a monster, dude.

Was this guy just a fan of him? That's what I'm intrigued by. Brian in Pittsburgh? I don't know. Because I don't think old cousins are like, hey, why don't you go on there? Pump me up. Pump me up.

Classic offensive lineman there. You know what I mean? Just kind of get by, keep the head down. That technique he's using there for that field goal, die slowly is what it's called. Cross it open and you're going to get run over or sent to the ground. Just do it slower than a pancake.

Yeah, please. And then we're going to do it again. And he's hopefully going to make it. That's what I felt worse about whenever I missed. I missed one. It would turn around. We don't miss extra points, okay? We're very fucking tired.

And we got people spearing our knees right now. Okay, we're getting a point on the board. All right? We don't do that. You got it, bud. Good call. Good call. I was 18 years old.

I'd been in the football world not at all. Not even a year. And I was like, my baptism into it. I missed an extra point or something. Moses turns around. We don't like, my baptism into it. I missed an extra point or something. Moses turns around. We don't do that. You got it. That's awesome.

On the field. On the field. We don't do that. Yeah, man. I'm hoping not. Won't happen again. I wish I could tell you why that happened, too. I don't.

I'm not 100% sure. But you're 100% right. You absolutely got it. What a crew. West Virginia needs to get back to that pack. We need to get back to it that happened, too. I don't. I'm not 100% sure, but you're 100% right. You absolutely got it. What a crew. West Virginia needs to get back to that pack. We need to get back to it real quick, too. Let's do that. Yeah.

This is the year. Your schedule sets up for it. Yeah, let's hope. Shut up, AJ. I was being serious. What are you doing? No, you weren't. You weren't.

I'll tell you what. These are great jerseys. They are. Great jerseys. These are really nice jerseys. Oh, yeah. Some of the best in the country. Super nice. Yeah, they are super nice. What's it say

on the inside? Montani, Semper, they believe Mountaineers are always free or something like that. I believe is what that stands for. I might be wrong, and West Virginia people are going to be very pissed about that, because that's a real thing, but I believe that is the saying.

Was it in there when you played? No, these jerseys are so much nicer than shit we wore. What do you mean? That one's awesome. Yeah, that thing's awesome. That thing looks like it's actual wrap compared to this. This thing feels like a bazillion bucks. This is top of the line.

The thing is much nicer than that. West Virginia is creme de la creme and everything except for the wins, losses. Let's go. Let's go. Those country roads uniforms they had last year. Hey, I was lucky to be a part of a lot of teams. The group after us with Gino and Tavon and them,

the group before us, won a lot of fucking games. So you guys can wear these. Right. And have that locker room that you have. Nice locker room. And the whole setup that you have. And the big 12 deal that you have. Yeah. Blue and gold means something. Okay? You ain't it.

Alright? But we'd love to welcome you in. We'd love for you to have some success. Absolutely. And be like, you know what? We weren't the generation that fucking buried West Virginia. Yeah. Okay? Can't have it. To your point, AJ, the schedule. Penn State, that's a win. Prime time.

Duquesne, that's a win. That's tough. That's tough. Pitt, that's a win. Texas Tech, that's a win. What? TCU, this ain't. They don't have Duggan anymore.

Nope. That's a win. We're winning the bye week, too. Wait till you see how much better we get. Hell yeah. Houston, done. Win. Oklahoma State, win. What? UCF, sorry about it. Hell yeah. Houston, done. Win. Oklahoma State, win.

What? UCF, sorry about it. What? BYU, might struggle there. Might struggle. It's at home, though. It's at home. Win.

Win. Oklahoma Sooners, win. What? Cincy, they ain't got fit. Win. What? Baylor, win. There's going to be people sailgating outside.

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Okay, in the river. That's right outside there. And then who? Paying homage to the RG Triple Sticks. And I love a lot of these schools. I love Baylor.

Love Cincy. Everybody else, whatever. Who are you playing in the title game? The good news is I think TCU, Houston, Oklahoma State, BYU, all have new quarterbacks this year. Yeah. And guess who doesn't? We got a guy that played at least one snap last year, I think.

Yeah, but your quarterback transferred. What's that? I thought the quarterback you had last year transferred. He actually lost his job for a little bit. The guy that started this year or last year? No. Graham. No, what's his first?

JT Daniels. JT Daniels. He kind of stunk. My offense, JT. Probably not your fault. I had a guy running 4-2 outside who was 6'5". Yeah, also, we know the OC, Graham Graham Harrell had him ready to go every time. We don't know if he's still there or not, but anyways.

He's at Purdue. He's not there anymore. Great year, whatever. Do what you gotta do. Get out of the Big Ten, I guess. You're scared of the Big 12. I don't know who covers the beat. I think it's Fox. Big 12, yeah. It'll be on Fox, AJ.

It's a power five, AJ. Well, no, I'm saying we talked the other day. Like, we don't know where these games are going to be played. We're talking strictly about the Big Ten. Mm-hmm. Okay? Well, they're going to be in the Big Ten. Well, we also saw where the Big Ten is.

That first game. That first game's NBC against Penn State, so they do have the primetime Big Ten. NBC? NBC? Okay, yeah, NBC with the Big Ten. Yeah, they have a big college deal. But we don't know what the deal actually is. That was where the question marks were. It's going to be a bad deal onceetime Big Ten. NBC? Okay, yeah, NBC with the Big Ten. Yeah, they have a big college deal. But we don't know what the deal actually is. That was where the question was.

It's going to be a bad deal once the Big Ten loses. Why didn't you guys just let us into the Big Ten? Why didn't you? What's your deal? I think they should be in the Big Ten. I've said that for a while. They feel like a Big Ten team to me. ACC.

They feel like an ACC team. ACC. Ten years ago, maybe. I don't know. We should travel if we go Big Ten. There's not going to be conferences anymore. Well, there'll be a couple. There will be two.

Yeah, they're saying ACC team, which I kind of take as a little bit of a shit. I don't think ACC. Listen, when Miami and Florida State and Virginia Tech get back to their prominence that they once were, that's ACC's good conference. Yeah, that's going to happen. Last 15 years, ACC's is second in drafted players. We're looking for six teams to turn it around? Three.

Okay. Florida State's already turned it around. They're back. They got Drake May. They got Cade Klubnick. Yeah, so I'm cool with going to the ACC. I'd much rather go to the Big Ten. Anything but where we are, really.

For sure. Can't win three games. I don't think the Big Ten's going to be giving out too many bids to three win teams. Undefeated. Well, if you do, yeah, then let's talk. Do we have to go through that schedule again? We are undefeated in that schedule.

You look at the same schedule I'm looking at for Western. I am. I heard Duquesne's got some players. Let's just say he starts the season getting beat 70-7 by a Big Ten team. Who's going to do that? Penn State. Yeah, AJ, they do. Getting beat 70-7 by a Big Ten team. What? Who? Who's going to do that? Penn State. Rutgers?

Penn State? Maybe. AQ Shipley's Ship State? Yes, please call him. If he's there. They are. Is he waving a towel? Yelling, we are, before the game.

Is that what he's up there with the microphone? That'd be sweet. They're supposed to be very good. Who's their quarterback? Exactly. Drew Aller. That big fucker who came in against Michigan State. He's huge.

He's a five-star fuck. Anyways, West Virginia's beating Pennsylvania. We will be ready. What are we talking about? Well, people are saying that off week is actually when Neil Brown's off the team. And then the next week is when the season starts. That's what they're saying. I never said that.

That's what people are saying. I will say, if it goes the opposite direction in which we assume it's going to go, then there will be quite a conversation there during that bye week, especially with all eyes on Jacksonville State. See how they're doing. Oh, yeah. There's a head coach down there at Jacksonville State

who wished me congratulations on the baby, Pat. Did he? Nice. Could you imagine Rich Rodder? He is going back to West Virginia. What? It could easily happen.

Full circle. We both said that, didn't we? I don't know how he would feel about it. I don't know how he currently feels about it or how West Virginia feels about it, but there has to be some sort of meeting that could take place. You would think. There has to be some sort of conversation that could take place where if would think. There has to be some sort of conversation that could take place where if Neil Brown, we've been trusting a climb a long time,

kind of hit a plateau, stopped climbing, but kind of actually started descending a little bit. But sometimes you got to do that. I watch Al Connell have to do that, and he's free climbing. And that entire thing to really get to the peak of the mountain, sometimes you got to bounce over a couple rings. You know what I mean? So Neil's maybe done that over the entire time.

Four times. So he was going like this, Yodely, yodely, sorry. Yodely, yodely, yodely, yodely. We're climbing. We're trusting him to climb. Three yodelies. Yeah, probably three years. How long has he been there? Five years. So, it's his recruits in there now. And everything that he has kind of put in.

Yeah. Yep. And it was the worst year we've ever had. So, it's easy to say this guy stinks. Yeah. He's terrible. What are you doing? He was at And it was the worst year we've ever had. So it's easy to say. This guy stinks. Yeah, he's terrible. What are you doing? He was at Luke Combs.

He looked like a hayseed. He had a good time at Luke Combs. You need to stop doing what you're doing right now. I'm not saying it in a bad way. He didn't look like a hayseed. He is a hayseed. Exactly. You need to watch your mouth. That's a heck of a West Virginia.

Just say it. Anyways, there's a chance that there's a big bounce back for said legend who goes and sees Luke Combs and has some beers with the boys and has a great setup every day of practice with that visor and the way he looks. And that beautiful bowl cut sitting underneath that visor. Man, I love it. Hell yeah.

And that big brain of his underneath that bowl cut. That's a Rich Rodriguez back at West Virginia. Holy shit. Natty. What a time that wouldor. Man, I love it. Hell yeah. And that big brain of his underneath that bowl cut. That's a Rich Rodriguez back at West Virginia. Holy shit. Natty. What a time that would be. Sweet to Big 12. Natty. I don't know if I was Rich Rodriguez's favorite player, okay? I think you are now. But I think we do have a pretty good respect for each other.

Absolutely. When he came on the show. The interview with him going back to West Virginia that would happen on this show would be must-watch. Oh, yeah. Just like because I know everything that happened behind the scenes and why he was so pissed off at all times. And now that I know more about college football, like, he was very rightfully pissed. Right.

Like, rightfully. Allegedly, there's two sides to every story, but it feels like I heard the other side of the story a lot more than I heard Rich's. And then once I heard kind of Rich's from there, people was like, oh, I could see how he could maybe be like, what are we doing here in this entire thing? He left on his own though, right? Yeah, he got offered a job to Alabama. That was on ESPN. He was going to Alabama. We were all kind of out and about on High Street.

We seen that this guy's leaving. We really tied one on that night just like all right we're gonna go ahead and have a night here kind of the end of an era then we go in the next morning mandatory meeting surprise meeting i don't know where we're all incredibly hung over they got media outside they got cops outside reed is there his wife uh rex there i believe his son his whole family's there and we're like all right he's telling us he's leaving or whatever and he's like i'm gonna fucking go anywhere go to work out let's go around i was like did you guys all stand up and cheer uh no we're all just like what something had you probably expected it didn't you expect everyone to stand up and cheer and pat him on the back i don't know like because

he was late to the meeting too very rarely late to the meeting his thing was like you better be fucking early and we all just kind of like sat there. We're like 10 minutes early. You're sitting in the meeting room and you're just kind of waiting for the glass to break. Push. Damn it. Rickrod's coming in, you know, and it's a full up. You better sit the fuck up. Yeah, the whole like

here we go. We got to do this whole thing. So it was a little bit more delay as we're like waiting for the glass to break. And he comes in and it was like very, I'm all even. Emotional. And we just all, all right. And then we just went back to work out. We're like, looks like we got another year of all the richest shit.

Which means this is going to be another, we're about to get after it. It'll be a grind. Oh, you thought I was leaving. Okay. Got something for you. Yeah, we're going even harder. So then literally, I think a year to the date later, it was him on ESPN.

He's going to Michigan, meeting the next morning, and it was the same whole song and dance. But he was, right? Yeah, then he actually went there. So he's getting a lot of job offers, which I think leads to him having a lot of leverage potentially behind the, especially Alabama and Michigan and other places. Oh, yeah. And with how much money we could have got, too,

with the sponsors and the boosters that West Virginia has, I think he was like, hey, let's go ahead and do this. And from the way he said it, that was not well-received. He was like, all right, I'm fucking out of here. Blame that kicker. And then here we go. Now we're at a spot where Neil Brown's going undefeated And he's national champion

And if he doesn't then you might have a full circle moment with coach And if he's back, coach Blaine Stewart I'll be excited to see if Blaine would work for Rich or not That'd be funny to watch He could go coach for Neil Brown At the D2 school down the road Let's get out

Unbelievable There's no reason for you to talk about it He Unbelievable. He's still. That's still unbelievable. Good job. There's no reason for you to talk like that. He can go 2-10 there. That's Coach West Virginia. That's right. We're not going 2-10.

No, you're right. 2-11. 13 games. Let's play our schedule back up again. I don't see one of the second. I see a lot of wins on it. I see the Duquesne win. I really don't see one after that.

10 play to Duquesne, obviously. Duquesne is a school. That's a trap game. That's a trap game, especially coming off a Penn State opener. Played as a loose, loose, loose. You can steal one against Texas Tech at home. Boy, they were tough last week. We're already 3-0.

What are you talking about? L, win, L. We'll give you Texas Tech. TCU, great recruiting class. That's an L. No. It doesn't matter. It's all in your heart. Well, okay, fine. That's an L. No. It doesn't matter. It's all in your heart.

Well, okay, fine. Houston, Holgerson, that's a revenge game. L. Oklahoma State. Whose revenge? Ours against him. No, Dana against you guys. Yeah, you're talking about us being revenge against Dana.

It's a revenge game, too. Mullets, West Virginia. I'm the head coach. I'm kind of upset about the strength of schedule. If I'm the head coach. What are we talking about? Who are we supposed to play? What are we even talking about?

I don't know. At UCF, teams are going to be chasing tail. BYU, no chance. You think Don Orlando is going to be at Disney World? Oklahoma. Big 12 championships for sure. Big comeback in Oklahoma. Yeah, you're damn right they put it at the bottom.

They don't do that for every team. Right. Big 12 championship. Right down there. Good call, AJ at the bottom. They don't do that for every team. Right. Big 12 championship. Right down there. Good call, AJ. Thank you. They should put their helmet there. They should put the West Virginia helmet on the left side

and then they put a question mark on the right side. Since he might be done. We should. Listen, since he might be done. So that's win number two, November 18th. Might be. Perfect. They could be decent.

I heard Oklahoma's going to be terrible this year, I'm sure. Vettables. Thank you. A lot of people be decent. I heard Oklahoma's going to be terrible this year, I'm sure. Vettables. Thank you. A lot of people leaving there. Boom, yeah. We're undefeated. We're going to be just fine. Hey, shout out to us.

Yes, sir. What is it? Hey, congrats, Neil. Good luck, Neil. All right, we're out of here. We will see you tomorrow with another Big Time Thursday. Yes. Massive.

Jack Carr was in the studio yesterday. Unbelievable. Hey, that was really cool, AJ. That's the thing you don't get to experience not being here. Same with CFO Phil and anybody else that's not in the building. That's one of those things that cool. Neat

day. Oh, yeah. I got to see the pictures and everything of you guys hanging out. He seems to be pretty awesome. I got one of those deals sent to my house, too. I'm sure Zito gave me my address or whatever with the book and everything, the cool presentation of it. My kids have already – I gave them the case. They're already stashing things in there.

You might see that case again. Just maybe. Yeah. We'll see. Maybe it showed up in a video that was filmed. No. No. Whoa.

Jack Carr said there was some super secret footage. What'd he say? What'd he say? What'd he say? I don't know. It was on the internet. You could pull it up. Yeah, but what did footage. What'd he say? What'd he say? What'd he say? I don't know. It was on the internet. You could pull it up. What did you take from what he said?

Yeah, how'd you read it? I don't know. He said, stick around. You might see some kind of footage that was shot, right, in the Thunderdome. Was he a part of it? I don't remember. The show. You tell us, AJ.

Were you guys helping promote the book? I'm asking you. You tell us, dude. You guys know something. Here we go. Just a normal Tuesday. Yeah. Bingo. Tuesday at the Thunderdome tell us, dude. You guys know something. Here we go. Just a normal Tuesday. Bingo. Tuesday at the Thunderdome.

Tuesday powwow. Jack Carr tweeted, What an awesome day with Pat McAfee and the team at the Pat McAfee Show. Hell yeah, Jack. It was. Unbelievable. Fucking love it. Love you, Jack.

An honor. Love what you guys are doing. You can catch the clip of my appearance on the Pat McAfee Show YouTube channel linked below. Also, stay tuned for a short movie we filmed after the show that is bound to win all sorts of Critics' Choice Awards in the year ahead. Thanks, Pat. Keep crushing. He knows. He knows.

He gets it. I mean, his stance. I've never seen the greatest stance of all time. I looked at it for a half hour last night. He just locked it. He's the coolest guy on the planet. Shoot Navy SEAL. Yes.

You know what I mean? That stance shows it. Accomplish Navy SEAL, who just so happens to be like, oh, you're also one of the greatest. Shoot Navy SEAL. Yes. You know what I mean? That stance shows it. Accomplish Navy SEAL who just so happens to be like, oh, you're also one of the greatest writers to ever exist. What a guy. We're lucky he's on our side. We appreciate the hell out of you, Jack. Love you, Jack. Love you, Jack. Hope the book signing went fantastic

last night. Remember, only the dead still available right now. That's right. Did it come out on New York Times bestseller or came out today, right? Better. I'm sure it will it come out on New York Times bestseller or came out today, right? Better. It will find its way on there if it didn't make it today. I don't think last time when we had Greeny on, I don't think he was on the first one, but then the next one he was. A little bit of a

build. Yeah. And that's how you let the book build, bitch. And that's what he's going to do. Amen. That's a great song. Yeah, it is. It's one of his best. Came on the other day. Yeah. It's a great one. Yeah. it is. It's one of his best. Came on the other day. Yeah. It's a great one. Yeah. Didn't really know where he was going the first time he listened

to it. It's like, alright, bud. We get it. And that's how you let the beat, little bitch. Yeah, Wayne, you can do anything. I guess I'll just talk for two minutes and then the beat finally drops. Pac-Man, you want to give away some books for some people or some merch? What are we doing? You tell me, AJ. What do you want Pac-Man to do, AJ? What can he do? people or some merch? What are we doing? You tell me, AJ.

What do you want Pac-Man to do, AJ? What can he do? Oh, man. I think Pac should hit a putt. Oh. It's been a while. I have my putter here. If you would like to use it, it's got a super stroke wide grip.

You know, no big deal. The full fit standing up is absurd. What kind of shoes are those? Dude, he looks so cool. Snake skin. What are they? I got a hit. I don't know.

Before we get in there. Spankskin. What are they? I got a hit. I don't know. Before we get in there. There's Prada shoes. Gucci. Gucci. Louie Louie. Gucci Gucci. Fendi Fendi Prada. Bally.

Bally's? Bally Sports. What's that? That's that channel that got disbanded, right? Yeah. They went bankrupt. Bally's went bankrupt. You're wearing bankrupt shoes right now?

No way. They look way too cool to be bankrupt. How do you spell it? The TV people. What's that? I don't know if it has anything to do with What's that? Oh, same name, different bucket. Is Bali like Balenciaga? Is that for sure?

Oh, Balenciaga. Oh, yeah. Are they back? I don't think the people that buy cared. I must have missed this. What'd they do? They just had a bunch of pedophile stuff. You didn't miss it. It's like the beginning of dodgeball, and they come on those weird shoots.

Yeah, BDSM stuff with kids. Yeah, real weird. Like, shoot very, why would that ever be yupped? But I guess there's a lot of yup going on right now. It was an ad campaign trying to sell their stuff. A lot of yup going on right now. A lot of yup, yup, yup. A lot of that going on right now.

Bullshit. It'll change. Anyways, how many putts do you want to make, pal? Tell me. I don't know how you're feeling. I don't, but either way, the ball's going to be behind the black dot. Come on. What is this?

Stickler for the rules. You should find the spine, too. Remember, there's a spine in between the two rules. Where's the break? Break's left, right? Well, break's left and right. There's a spine from hole to hole. If Pac-Man goes two or three right here, we'll give ten merches and ten books.

That's a good-looking putt. Pac! Uh-oh. That was clean. Boom. Pac goes one of four here. We'll give ten people only the dead. Jack Carr's newest book and ten people merches.

Oh, man. Good pace. Good job. Brutal. Good pace. Brutal. Brutal. Ten books, ten merches on the line here.

All Pac-Man's got to do is go one of three here from about eight and a half feet. There it is. There it is. Oh, my God. Worse than the last one. But he liked the way it came off the club. Yeah, it's okay. He liked the way it came off the club.

What did you feel there immediately upon the ball leaving your putter that thought you was going in? Aim for the hole. He doesn't have time for our bullshits. There it is. Boom! Wow. Pac-Man Jones gets 10 people some books and 10 people

some merches. All you got to do is retweet this tweet. Say something nice to somebody. And boom! Make it 15 merches. 15 merches. Hell yeah. 15 merches. Oh, boy.

10 books. All you got to do is read through this video and say something nice to somebody. We'll be back tomorrow with another big one. Thank you to Dana, Coach McDermott, and Michael Block, the new golfing sensation, for joining us on this beautiful winter Wednesday. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye.