The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 919 - THE PGA TOUR AND LIV GOLF HAVE OFFICIALLY AGREED ON A MERGER, Scott Van Pelt, Ian Rapoport, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the breaking news that the PGA Tour and LIV Golf have officially agreed on a merger, seemingly out of nowhere, and what it means for the future. They also discuss the Golden Knights routing the Panthers in Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals, and the news that Colts CB Isaiah Rodgers Sr. has allegedly been caught gambling on the the Colts and the NFL from the facility. Joining the show is absolute legend in the game, host of SVP, Scott Van Pelt to talk about the PGA/LIV merger and how it is an actual bombshell that no one saw coming, what it means for everyone moving forward, and where we go from here (16:51-42:37). Later, NFL Network Senior Insider, Ian Rapoport joins the progrum to discuss the Isaiah Rodgers Sr. situation, what he’s hearing about Dalvin Cook and DeAndre Hopkins, and all the other things floating around the NFL that we need to be aware of (1:21:26-1:48:02). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this glorious, holy shit, what just happened in golf Tuesday, June 6th, 2023, our, now, sports! It's crazy what's happening in sports. There's some news coming out of the golf world that literally just dropped this morning, seemingly out of the clots. seemingly out of the clots, seemingly unbeknownst to everybody in the golf community, announced this morning is that the Live Golf, yes, that Live Golf, backed by Saudi Arabia, that tore golf apart and disrespected America and did terrible things in the sports washing world, has now merged with the PGA. Yes, that PGA.

Whoa. What? The PGA that was telling all of their golfers that if they were to go to live golf, they were basically terrorists and terrible people. And people that don't want the best for golf or for the United States or for the world or society as a whole. Now the two have become one for one major golf league. Congratulations to golf. Yeah. Congratulations to golf. Yeah. Congrats, guys.

You know golf. All right. It sounds like that's good news, but boy, I will tell you what. There's some news that came out of the golf world that I would assume some of these guys that maybe turned down $100 million. What? $150 million. What?

$200 million contracts. What? They have to remain in PGA and potentially talk about the PGA being where it's all about. Tradition and legacy and carrying a league that has been carried by the greats before. It's not just about an instant gratification payday. It's about something much bigger than $300 million. What? $400 million.

What? It is bigger than that. It is about the PGA. Court. What? Now they're through the same thing. Yes, they are. Yep.

We'll have Scott Van Pelt joining us in about 15 minutes or so. Obviously, Scott Van Pelt worked for the Golf Channel before he started working for ESPN. We've seen him on ESPN for the better part of two decades. Massive fan, massive golf guy, massively plugged in the golf community. Excited to hear the ripple effects, the reaction, what his thoughts are. All right, now we can all kind of zoom out a little bit. Like you're on the iPhone?

Sure. Just kind of do one of these things. See everything like a fisheye lens. Yeah, and now you can do that virtual reality, $3,500, zoom out. Look out. But if we just zoom out of the situation, high level, you know what I mean? High level conversation. From the, you get it.

From the top. Probably going to be good for golf. Every golfer's going to make a lot more money. 100% Events are going to be massive. They're going to be huge. There is literally a bottomless pit of money behind it now. Already one investment.

We assume it'll be more, especially if it starts to have success. And if PGA players are starting to get on teams, like how the Live has, the Live can say, Greg Norman can say, we created Team Golf that has been successfully changed golf for the future. So even though you might not have every weekend

being a major, and every weekend might not be an elevated event, but whenever there's a down weekend and maybe one of these events aren't great, let's go ahead and do a little team event, like the match. Let's go ahead and put the best four PGA guys together. Let's go ahead and put four live guys together. Now we're making content. Now we're making business.

Now we're growing golf literally every single weekend in ways that we've never been able to do before. We assume that'll take place over the next 5, 10, 20 years for golf. Right now, people are going to be pissed, though. Now, there's a lot of golf bloggers and golf media people who, at one point, you know, were way on their high horse. Way on their high horse. Way on their high horse. I remember.

Up there. About how the PGA would never do something like this. The PGA is the golf tour. The PGA is everything in the golf society. It doesn't matter how many fake tournaments you play in over there with that sports washing league you're going to. You are doing the game harm. You're doing the game harm. You're doing the game wrong.

And that's why Jay Monahan is our hero. We're on a high horse right to Jay Monahan's fucking house. Anything he needs, we are going right to. Seemingly that's what the golf community was doing for a long time. And then Jay Monahan

who was at the front on the horse, said, wait a minute, how much? Hold up. Let's sit down. How much is the investment going to be? What do we think we can do for golf? It's amazing how it all changed. It is a wild time.

We'll talk to Scott Van Pelt in 14 minutes. Saudis have nice horses, too. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. Gorgeous. Big money. I didn't even think about the high horse potential you have over there.

There's a high horse here in that Avatar bird, and all of a sudden there's the big one above you. Who's high horse and more? A lot of the people in the golf community. Toxic tables here. At Boss Connor, at Ty Schmidt. Out of nowhere, Connor. Yeah, out of nowhere. It's absurd. I didn't think that this week would get worse for Rory McIlroy, but for him

to blow it on Sunday, and then you think, hey, you can bounce back maybe next week, maybe a couple weeks after. And now, of course, he was championing that whole entire thing you just did. He was not the leader of the high horses, but from the golfer side, he was the leader of the, hey, we're not going to disgrace golf in this way. And now, all of a sudden, Phil Mickelson's got to be feeling great. Brooks Kapka got to be feeling great. Brooks Koepka got to be feeling great. He's got his game back, too.

Exactly. Brooks plays golf good again. Yeah. Back in the PGA and got the $150 million bag or $200 million bag. Yeah, winner, winner. Brooks Koepka maybe won this entire thing. A hundred percent. A lot of people are saying this is because of Brooks.

I would have to think in my head, though, this had to be in place before Brooks even went on that run. That's one half of the hammer. Dad! Cowboys, I don't know if that's true, though, this had to be in place before Brooks even went on that run. That's one half of the hammer. Dot. Cowboys, I don't know if that's true. Literally, this seemingly came out of nowhere from everybody. I think Scott Van Pelt's going to potentially tell us a little bit more about that because he's kind of plugged in the back end.

14-year NFL icon, Pac-Man Jones, golf enthusiast. Oh, yeah. He loves golf. I like this. I think it's going to be more interesting for the tour. I want to see two guys team up and play against two more other guys instead of just keeping it the regular PGA. I think just keeping it fresh.

I think that's good. I think more money being invested in the game is good. I think all the great players being back in one league is good. There's a lot of good things for the fans, I think, naturally. But you think about, like Rory, you said, you talked about him being the champion of all these things. What was his offer? Man.

$200, $250? More than that of all these things. What was his offer? Man. 200, 250? More than that. 500 maybe? Yeah, probably. What did they offer? Tigers? 750 million or something like that? Yeah, it was close to a billion.

750 million? He's like, no, PGA is where I'm at. I kind of made this league. This is kind of my thing. We're coming out with a video game. Remember, Tigers was like, me and my PGA, only see me and my PGA guys in this particular video game. They were starting to build their own business.

They were starting to do a simulation league. Top golf deal. Yeah, they're doing like a golf sim league or yeah where you hit monday sim and then you go out into a like a short area and it's kind of a combo of short game actual yep and then sim for the long stuff so tiger doesn't have to walk an entire course you don't have to do anything it's much quicker they're doing that i think coming up every single monday or tuesday i forget what day they're doing that it's like does that roll into now with a big uh potential pif investment what is that going to become and grow into like i think them coming together is great for golf and great for us as

viewers but do you think tiger's happy about turning down 750 million fucking dollars no way i mean i understand he's loyal to pj and he's a billionaire and everything like that but i think even billionaires would be like, another billion's cool. Yeah. I think that's kind of how it all works out, and now it's all for naught, seemingly. Well, it was, D-Budget said it, and the reported offers were Tiger 800, Rory 500, Hideki 300, and Zalatoris 130. Zalatoris did not go, right? No.

And he got his backs all fucked up. How pissed would you be not knowing? But he could have got 130 million. Salvatore Stanaka, right? No. He hurt his back, so I'll fuck up. How pissed would you be not knowing that you turned down that deal, and behind closed doors they've been working on this deal? Yeah, we don't know how long they've been working on it. I think that's the interesting thing. I think there is a chance that this might have came together over the last couple weeks, maybe even a month.

Now, that's a lot of money, I'd assume. But whenever you're talking about a never-ending piggy bank and seemingly not really being like stern negotiators. Not at all. It's not like – What's your number? Yeah, like Benzema got $643 million or something like that for three years' worth of soccer.

Zlatan Ibrahimović, I understand he walked away from the game, and we very much appreciate him. Love you, Zlatan. He's going to get a $200 million offer to go play Dunn in Saudi for sure. Bingo. I mean, I hope he does whatever the hell he wants because the world has been lucky that he's there but seemingly the money that they're offering up 20 billion dollar investment into the soccer league allegedly the crown prince

is going to invest so that it becomes a real thing and you start thinking from like a grander scale like they got golf they're investing in the soccer league they're seeming i think they're building like a i don't want to get the number wrong. It's some absurd amount of billion ski resort. Yes. In the middle of it so that people can travel in. It's like,

they are really trying to build business over there. Now, I know people are saying like, sports are doing the job for sports washing and everything. And we're not saying

the things that have happened in the past are good at all. I would like to let you know, no way. My entire take, whenever this whole golf thing started with Liv and the money they were investing in golfers, I was like, hey, if we're going to be mad about the money coming from Saudi Arabia to go into

places which people were seemingly pissed off about, it's like, let's be mad at every company, every corporation, the multi-billion and trillion dollar organizations that are taking money from this same exact thing. And I understand that you can't be upset at every single platform that you use on the internet. And they're not necessarily like trying to put something over but like they have been invested in almost everything that is out there yeah everything at like literally everything that has ever had money invested in it saudi arabia has money and so i didn't appreciate the fact that the athletes were the only people getting attacked for like okay let's attack and we had a list remember oh yeah what was it? Twitter. Twitter at the time

with majority shareholder was Saudi Arabia. 2K, the game that Tiger and all his buddies are in. 2K is backed. I think it was every company. Coke was on there. There's a lot. Half of them were media. Google, Uber. Yeah, massive, massive companies. They're like, well, those are publicly funded.

It's like, yeah, but if you own the majority, guess what? You have some real estate. And also also you're profiting off of it. So you tweeting these athletes, telling them that they're scumbags and sellouts and everything, you're doing that on a platform that is actually benefiting the same exact place. So it's like, I don't think everybody knew exactly where all the money was, but it does feel as if they are trying to really drop into the 21st century as fast as possible, as quick as possible. I don't know what this PGA

Tour merger with them does to expedite that whole thing, but I think there's going to be more companies now that are probably going to be a little bit more willing to not only invest there, but certainly do business together. That's why I think it's also such a massive day here with this deal taking place. I think you're right, though. think it came from brooks almost winning the masters and then

winning and it's kind of in a position now where it's like hey we can't have this rival golf league have what everyone considers maybe the the best golfer in the world like we need to end this and bring everything back and we're talking about pga guys being pissed. You think any of the live guys like Dustin Johnson are pissed who are kind of brought by the allure of getting all this money? The amount of golf they actually had to play. Not as many events. You're not playing 72 holes.

I wonder if those guys are like, what the fuck? What did Dustin Johnson say? He said, I think he had a sweet beard. He was sitting at his kitchen table there he looks so cool yeah he's like i think anybody would get more money less work right sounds good we have another question or i'm gonna go play uh i'm gonna go do some of my kids outside yeah because i can do that and then this weekend guess what i'm i'm just gonna i'm gonna be here yeah

pool right there and be now next week I do have to fly to Australia. Right. Something like that. But I can wear shorts. But, yeah, I can wear shorts. I get to play with the boys. You know what I mean? They're flying me on actual. Yeah.

I'm not paying for it. Taking care of my family. And now, Monahan's like, welcome back. 72 holes, bitch. Yeah. Every weekend. See you every week. Oh, got to be there Wednesday, too.

Program has to happen. Mandatory. We're getting a tweet here from Alan Shipnuck. Oh, Ship to be there Wednesday. The program has to happen. Mandatory. We're getting a tweet here from Alan Shipnuck. Oh, Shipnuck's a dog. Just talked to a key insider at Live. He says, this has 102,000 views on this particular tweet. Impressions has become views. They got rid of actual views.

It's an incredible game that Elon has played. Run those numbers up. We need two to four to five X. Just talked to a key insider at Live. They had no idea this was coming. There hasn't been any internal communication yet. Players, agents, et cetera, are learning about the merger from tweets and news reports.

Same on the PGA Tour. Cloak and dagger stuff from Monahan and the PIF. Seemingly, this could have happened quickly. Yeah. This could have been like a one, two-week thing where it's like, Jay Monahan looking around. PGA, we still won. It would be great to have Brooks.

And then Greg Norman just sitting there What's up Jay You know what I have All of the money Just like all of it you think of it I have it We need it got more 5 billion 10 billion

11 billion What do you need Sure fuck it $5 billion? You ready? $10 billion? What? $11 billion? What? Yeah, what the hell? $100 billion. What do you need, Jay? Sure, fuck it. What do you need? $20? Just give me $20.

What's the number? Jay, just say the number. You guys give us $15 billion and we'll... Done. Deal. Here's the check. All right, we're going to see NBC tomorrow? Yeah.

How are we doing this entire thing? What, do we even have this figured out? Who's going to have what tours? Who's going to have what events? Who cares? I mean, we'll figure this whole thing out. We got all the golfers. We're back to being a monopoly. Do what we say.

All of a sudden, we got the whole damn thing here. Now, we would assume immediately all the players that are meaningful, now there's going to be some players from the PGA at the bottom that are probably going to kind of get kicked off the course. Yeah, probably get axed. Same with Liv. We were talking like Chase Koepka's probably not going to make it over. Nah, he hit that hole in one. Big moment. That's going to kind of get kicked off the court. Yeah, probably get axed. Same with Liv. We were talking like Chase Koepka's probably not going to make it over. Nah, he hit that hole in one.

Big moment. That's got to be worse. King Adler. Mark Kreischer was there shirtless yelling. Ran on to the thing. That's a good point. That's got to be. That's good for something.

You know who this is really good for? The Masters is going to be on the CW, which is going to be awesome. Yeah, I don't know if you're going to get the Augusta National folks agree to be on the CW. I wonder if that had something to do with it as well. What's that? Hey, no one's watching this fucking thing. Okay, we got all the money in the world. Let's

just see if we can give them some money and we'll get these players out there. We'll get some more brand awareness because guess what? People would rather watch a rerun of One Tree Hill that aired 17 years ago than they would watch the final round. No, remember it was Penn and Teller's Foolish. Oh, yeah, you're right.

Great show. It is a good show. Good show. It is a good show. But the good part of golf, though, was about to come for Liv, that they actually, what CW paid for, they actually had to end because they ran out of TV time. They did.

So that's an interesting thing. So brand new TV negotiations for Liv and PGA now with their old partners, new partners? If you're not in the golf game, can you get in the golf game now? It's just a whole new chapter of negotiations. I wonder what the exclusivity is because NBC has some, CBS has some, I think

ESPN has some. So now there's just more content for them to bid on and will they be more likely to bid on it now that PGA has seemingly been like, yes, we will do business together. And now what's the new league going to be called? What are these three going to come together and be called? PGA Live or something like that. Yeah. I'm not sure if they're going to

change the PGA part. Their own name. PG Live, eh? I love that they said 15 Bill, but we like Live a lot. PGA Live. I like PGA Live. It PGA live. I like PJ. It's not bad,

right? Yeah. PJ. I like that. That'd be cool. Yeah. For entertainment on the end. Yeah.

Team golf. Big merger though. Huge. That's a big deal. Oh yeah. I will be excited to see what the money is. Yeah. What happens to the live guys too?

I just remember what my aunt was saying. Oh yeah. Oh, he'll never live that down ever so you think he's just gonna say in the long run yeah well you know that was just negotiation from the beginning i was gonna let him know i was a hard sell good you know probably i was just negotiating from the beginning inevitably we all knew what was going to happen greg norman i guess a couple years ago said that he sees basically everything kind of coming together at some point he kind of alluded to it.

I guess there's been conversations about this from people at some point because anytime there's a mutual interest and one side, I can't stress this enough, has all of the money in the world. I guess not all of it because we have some. We're able to build the Thunderdome. Right. But bottomless pit. And then money coming into the country from every company that's out there yeah like invested in every company so like the the bottomless pit isn't even fully described because it's continuing to be more bottomless yeah still digging every day

that just passes by yeah no i assume some of the business they've invested in have lost money okay go ahead and get that out but they're's still, I don't know, 60 other businesses that are very successful that are still just kind of putting money right back in there, let alone the oil business. That's been good for a long time. Long time. And they just have all that. And then there's only like

what, five, six families, I guess, that control it all. Yep. That's it, really. So it's just a never-ending supply of money. Mutual interest golf. One side has all the money. Yep. The other side inevitably is going to go in. You would think. Just natural business.

Of course, joining us now is a man who's been in the golf business for a long time. Worked at the Golf Channel before he worked at ESPN. You can see him, obviously, on Masters coverage and every single night with SportsCenter, with SVP. I fucking love this dude's brain. He's a very talented one. I'm excited to hear his thoughts on this.

Used to be at noon. Now he's at midnight. Used to wake up with. Now we go to bed with. Ladies and gentlemen, man, I fall asleep alongside most evenings, Scott Van Pelt. How are you, boss? I'm well.

You know, I was going to save this until the end. I want to lead with this. I just want to tell you how excited I am to have you guys as teammates. I love the lane you've created. I love how you thrived in it. I love how you're creating a whole new thing. And sincerely, we couldn't be more excited to have you as part of our squad. You make us better every day.

Hey, dude, I don't know if that's true or not, that last sentence, but we thank you for saying that because we got massive respect for your brain. I said this to Stephen A. as well. There's some people that like, you know, and I don't, you look good. Don't get me wrong. You look incredible. You've been on TV a long time, though. So, like, I've seen your work.

I've seen your brain. I've seen everything you've done and how you've handled yourself in different situations and covered stuff. We all have. We got massive respect for you. So, whenever you say stuff like that, and throughout my entire run here since since i've retired i've gotten text messages from you after things that have happened they've meant the world then for all of us and now so we appreciate you svp lucky to be on the channel lucky to be on the channel now let's let's dive in you know us and espn merging a big deal yeah certainly a big deal pga and live coming together seemingly out of nowhere there was a tweet that said the live guys didn't even know this was happening.

Now, allegedly, the PGA people didn't even know this happened. Did this happen within the last week? What do you know? Where do we stand and how does everybody feel? Oh, man, there's a lot there. Go ahead. You know, I OK, so I didn't I didn't get into the journalism school of Maryland. OK, but I learned after the fact, because I've been doing this for a while, that who, what, when, where, why? Those are the questions that matter. And in talking to a highly ranked, very decorated player today who did not know, we both kind of landed on the why it's going to be really interesting. Like why, why this happened to how it was going to be really interesting. How, how'd this happen? But right now,

the most important question as Pat, you and the boys know is, is the, what, what, what is, what does this mean? What,

what does this mean today? I don't know. Does this mean the live and PGA tour guys? I don't think they're going to play in the same events. I don't think that it means the live guys who couldn't get world golf ranking points suddenly can, but that's minutiae that I don't think interests people. I think, what does this mean for these PGA tour guys who were told last summer, Hey, no fellas, don't take this money. Be loyal to the tour, right? That's bad money. You don't want to take that money. And then you wake up one Tuesday on Twitter and find out,

wait, they took the money? Yeah. How does that work? Yeah. It's really dodgy because, Pat, no one knew. And I'm talking, think of any player you could think of. Like, who's the players you think of? Rombo.

Think of that player. Rombo. Scheffler. He didn't know. Rory McIlroy, though. He's been the president of the PGA and Jordan Spieth. I'm talking about a guy who's pretty legendary, who's been at it for a long time, who makes, you know...

I'm just told no one knew. No one. Tiger got offered $750 million, or $800 million too at one point. Isn't that crazy? Now, I mean, I'm saying, like, Jeff Bezos would bend down to pick up a bag with $750 million in it, okay? Like, that's real dough. Now, if you're telling me at the absolute highest levels of the PGA Tour that no one knew, and I believe them.

Like, the guys I talked to today. I promise you didn't know. I haven't talked to Tiger, so I don't know for a fact that he didn't know, but I don't think anyone knew. Um, and that's mind boggling to me because it's hard to keep secrets. Um, it's really, really tough to keep stuff inside and you know, somebody obviously knew cause they were, I they were on cnbc this morning so i mean it didn't just it didn't just wake up and roll out of bed and say hey what do you want to what do you guys want to do today i don't know how about we merge well maybe you know hey scott that's the thing like you don't you think that because and i know this is going to sound incredibly naive but i think these types of things have happened in the past documented books

in movies have been about companies that have done this. There could have been an overnight deal. It could have happened, especially if one side doesn't seem to be that stern of a negotiator. It seems like Saudi Arabia, with the way they've handled everything, Benzema just signed for $643 million. Messi allegedly getting $400 million a year offer allegedly tiger woods 800 million dollar offer like i think there's a chance that jay monahan now we don't know anything to your point we know less than you do we just follow along but if jay even had the consideration of maybe just testing the waters to see what was possible because brooks has had success and he's a star and obviously a needle mover and because of other things isn't there a chance that he reaches out and the other side just goes,

what's your number? Imani and says, 10 billion dollars. And they're like, deal done. Do you think there's a chance that happened? Theoretically, Pat,

because it, I would, I mean, you're dealing with people for whom there truly is a number. Like you, you talk about money being, you know, all they have unlimited funds.

These are unlimited funds. Only growing. The funds are only growing every day. There is no bottom to that. It's one of those things where you could have a number in your head and you say a thing and they won't match it. They're like, oh, good. We thought it was going to be worse or more. We thought it was going to be twice that.

We would have written you a check for that. You missed out on $10 billion. These are all theoreticals. What I don't know, I'm not going to say it doesn't matter, but I'm trying to just process what's happening in real time. I'm trying to relate to the guys I've known that are these stars out there that didn't know who passed on giant numbers and were involved in these text threads

where they've been asked to save the tour, and they're like, all right, let's save the tour. Then they do, and then it gets blown up one morning, and they're all just looking around going, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah, because we always wondered, and we didn't know enough about golf whenever all this information was coming out when Liv started. And the reason why Liv started is, I think, because a lot of the golfers that have been

around a long time kind of saw some weaknesses in the PGA's model. Like, okay, guys are paying for their own thing. There's a chance you play, don't make any money. There's a chance that if you do have a bad Sunday, they basically market you all weekend and you're out of money and it's kind of costing you money for the weekend. So I think like the PGA guys, as you freeze up there, I hope you hear me, but the PGA guys, I think that that have been around a long time kind of saw some weaknesses in the business. And I think we learned about a lot of this stuff as live was happening. So then, all of a sudden, like 20 more million just kind of falls out of the PGA tree and they're able to give away more money.

And now we got elevated events where things are guaranteed. And it's like, well, who had been getting the money beforehand? And then now when something like this happens, it's like, so who is benefiting from this like are all the golfers in the pga are they going to get a check because this happened as a thank you from the pg like it's just so many so many questions you you you hit that you hit on some of the key points pat that that all of us that i think have followed this closely i mean it's just quite a coinkydink uh after all this happened, the PGA Tour looked

under the couch cushion and found like 20 more million for these events. It was always there. But listen, and I mean, you just went through it as a group. And in negotiation, I don't care what business you're in. There are parallels in any negotiation. And the only thing most people understand is a loaded weapon aimed at them. And it ain't no fun until the bunny rabbit's got the gun. Well, when you have the hammer in a negotiation, you can swing it. And all of a sudden, you know, Liv forced the PGA Tour's hand

and the PGA Tour got more money because the players are all going, what are we doing here? Well, now, it appears that the Saudis in this case are like, hey, we have a number here, and apparently the PGA Tour is like, cool, give it to us. And I imagine – here's where I have to believe, Pat. And again, I'm doing a lot of thinking out loud here

because I've been on the phone all morning with these guys. We're all brainstorming. We're all figuring it out. Well, I have to believe that at some point there will come clarity where you go, oh, oh, I get that. And I imagine everyone will be participating in this. The players will benefit. But who won the tour? The top guys?

If you're a middle guy, what tour are you even on? What does this mean for a rank and file? You know the star players. And if you're a Golf Channel guy or gal and you watch every week, you know the people that are in the 150s and you're rooting for them. You wanted to see Denny McCarthy win last week at Memorial. It would have been his first win. That would have been a life changer for him.

So you know all these guys. But what does it mean for any of them? I don't know. Is there going to be some, hey, we're going to sweeten the pot for everybody because we just got $10 billion. I don't have any idea. Well, I don't know if it's $10 billion. No, but when you say it, you mean something.

No, I don't mean any of it. No, you do. It could be a trillion million billion. I don't know. It actually could be, too, which is amazing. could be a trillion million billion. I don't know. It actually could be, too, which is amazing. Which is amazing to think about. The Golf Channel just put out this here. PGA Tour, DP World Tour, and Live to combine commercial operations.

All right, all the back end, we're going to move in the same building. Can't wait to see how big that building is. Yeah, sure. Mission to unify the game of golf on a global basis. All right, we're going to give speeches. All right. New collectively owned for-profit entity name to be determined. Okay, so that's the new business that they're piecing together.

Saudi will make capital investment into new entity to facilitate its growth. That's going to be a lot of money. PGA Tour will remain. PGA Tour still exists there. As a 501c tax-exempt organization, of course. Of course. Good play. PGA Tour Inc. retains

administrative oversight of the PGA Tour, including sanctioning of events. Okay, Liv said, yeah, I guess you're right. We don't want to pick it up anyway. Mutually agreed end to all pending litigation between the participating parties. There you go. Let's put our swords down. There you go. Process to be established for players to reapply for

PGA Tour or DP World Tour membership after 2023 season, which they'll all be let back in because of the amount of money that's going in. So that's where we know right now. What were you so excited to get? What did you see there, Scott? Litigation, Pat. Litigation. Been there. Well, were you?

Could you imagine if Brett Favre invests? Oh, man. It didn't seem very real to me. Well, lawyer conversations were. mean it was oh you're right it was a big fake world yeah anyways well i it would seem to me that neither the pga tour nor the nor the saudi fund wishes to be in court i i'm not a lawyer either but i don't know there's discovery and all sorts of shit people just don't need out there in the world um my guess is that a lot of this is motivated by just not wanting to have to be in court um but listen money money is always what it

is it always is in everything any negotiation it's always about that there's there's there are other layers but it's ultimately everyone's got a number and it would appear that the that there was a number that the pga tour is like, all right, to hell with it. We'll take it, and we'll sort it out later. We'll get out of court. Brooks said that he's a bad guy. Brooks said that same thing. Brooks Koepka did that, and he was a bad guy.

You know what I mean? Interesting. He had a number at that time. He was mentally broken. He didn't think he was going to be good again. Now he's good again, can still play in the majors, still get his couple hundred million, and potentially build up his PGA legacy as well while winning some of the tournaments. Now he's good again, can still play in the majors, still get his couple hundred million,

and potentially build up his PGA legacy as well while winning some of the tournaments. It's like Brooks Koepka maybe won this entire thing. Scott? I mean, I'm sure Phil Mickelson's peacocking around on Twitter today. Put that coffee together. Bombs. You know, you talk about receipts, man. There's some CBS-style times 100 receipts that people are going to go back and say,

Hey, remember when y'all said this about that money? And now you're – listen. And I was always – it was always difficult, Pat, because I – you know, there was lots of preaching about taking the money. And mostly from people that in their life would never be confronted with having to make a decision such as that. mostly from people that in their life would never be confronted with having to make a decision such as that. And I always try to be reasonable about the decisions people made to do what they chose to do. And, you know, there's so many lanes to this conversation as it related to live. Like,

you know, there's like these live accounts that tweet during them, during majors about like, ah, I thought the live guys couldn't play. It's like, no, you pay, the live paid a bunch of money for guys that were really good and Brooks is healthy again and now he's good, but your guys aren't on television much and and it's hard to find your events and so you know there are these sort of live bots that were waving the flag for that tour that you know there are many different layers to the conversation as it related to that tour and those players okay but it's hard to look at

those guys that took the money now and and say that they're not vindicated when the tour that said they were bad people for taking the money took the money yeah and it's not just the tour obviously there's a bunch of media that did it as well and that's a much bigger conversation than just sport yeah and obviously nobody is on the side of anything heinous that happens anywhere and we're all hoping we're all hoping for a world where nothing bad happens ever. Honestly, we're going to strive for it. We're going to work for it. We're going to work for it.

We are. We're not there yet. We hope to be a stone on the path to that world one day. But it's not real. Their money is everywhere, though, too, SVP. I mean, like the Saudi money's invested everywhere. So when the athletes were being attacked more than, like, multibillion-dollar industries

and trillion-dollar industries that have money from Saudi Arabia in it, that was my biggest, like, why are we just attacking the athletes and not everything? Like, we're not for it. Let's just, it's interesting. There's some more information coming out here

from the Financial Times. The framework agreement was brokered over two months of meetings between the PGA and Saudi across the U.S., Europe, and the Middle East. Monaghan, who once said the PGA was focused on legacy, not leverage, and many other things, told the Financial Times on Tuesday that he began to trust Al Romeon 10 minutes after sitting down with him in Venice. So this deal, a couple months brokered, which couple meetings, couple different places, could have been disguised as litigation meetings, like trying to settle this entire thing. Ten minutes into Venice, though, Jay Monahan's like, I think we can do business. How do you think that, how do you think there's ten minutes of business? Hey, grazie, prego. And then boom, all of a sudden we got maybe a multi-billion

dollar deal that we're going to announce on a Tuesday out of nowhere. I wonder if that's literally the 10 minutes in Venice. I suppose there's an epiphany moment, right? Where you just, all right, we're doing it, right? I mean, there's that moment you're on top of a hill and you're like, are we really going to do it or not? And then you just say, we really going to do it or not and then you just say fuck it we're going to go i guess i mean but but again if you're going to sell the players on this is a player owned and driven tour and none of them have any idea that they had no agency and all the stuff you had them go out and fight against you locked arms with in that 10 minute window uh you got a

hell of a lot of uh explaining to do whenever it is you sit down and explain how the sausage was made here, you know? Yeah, and I assume inevitably golfers will golf because that's what professional golfers do. But their gripes. Largely, Pat, they had. Largely, they had. I mean, honestly, we covered the Masters' first two rounds and all four rounds of the PGA, and these guys, what are they going to do?

Fight? I mean, there's someGA. These guys, what are they going to do? Fight? There's some guys don't get along. They weren't your favorite. When you worked together, you weren't boys. You got a lot of great friends, of course, but not everybody. That's the way it was when they were on the same tour. It's the same way it was when they were on different tours.

There's still guys that maybe were on your team that get traded or leave as a free agent and they're still your boy. That's the way things it was when they were on different tours. And there's still guys that maybe were on your team that get traded or leave as a free agent. And they're still your boy. And that's the way things were. There were still there's still friendships here. And I think you definitely saw it thaw this year with like Brooks and Rory. These guys all live together down there in South Florida. There's way more as is mostly the case in life.

There's often way more common ground than there are differences. And I think you seize on that a lot on your show, and I always have tried to. There's a lot more that makes us the same that makes us different. Now, the stuff that made people different here seemingly was a really, really big deal. And then all of a sudden, one Tuesday morning, it wasn't. Actually, we're all going. That's what makes it such an interesting conversation. It is. Pac-Man has a question for you, SVP.

So it's still going to be three tools. My question is, are the live guys going to get to play with the guys on the PGA? You said they are not going to get to play together, though. I don't believe so. Again, that's what I'm asking these players. And I mean, I'm asking the big-time

guys that you would think would know, and they're like, it's me. The thought initially was that they would not. but but it seems to me that everything is as fluid as it could be right i mean if we're if we if they're going to form an alliance then theoretically starting i don't know next year you could sort it out after this season yeah i mean like this doesn't mean like now at the u.s open they the guys that are qualified can because of how they were qualified because that's not a pga tour event i get that that gets This doesn't mean like now at the U.S. Open the guys that are qualified can

because of how they were qualified because that's not a PGA Tour event. I get that that gets kind of confusing. But, like, where are they this week? Is it Canada? They were Memorial last week. I can't even remember what week this is. But you're not going to see Lib guys turn up and play there this week, no. But there probably was a number to get it in the middle of the season to happen.

Yeah. And then there was a number like end of season. There always is. Yeah, yeah. End of season. End of season we'll be able to do that. Ty Schmidt has something for you, Scott. Scott, considering Monahan's stance at the start of this whole thing,

what do you think his relationship with both sides, the players from the PGA and Liv, is going to be like moving forward? Like is that irreparable damage? Obviously with the Liv guys, the shit he said at the very start? And then now it seems like the PGA guys had the rug pulled out from under him. Is he going to be public enemy number one moving forward? Number one, I don't know.

I mean, there's probably some guy that you're more mad at, maybe from when you were like fourth grade and some went sideways. Oh, yeah. Those are old wounds. We've all got that one person. But I mean, I'm not to be serious. How could the,

how could your relationship not be irreparably? I don't know. I mean, money has a way of fixing a lot of things, but it's incredibly strange. But that would mean Jay would be sharing the money. Guys are pissed. Guys are pissed.

Yeah. How could they not be? But there will be a moment, again, when maybe you get the room together and you're like, listen, this was just really poorly messaged. And let us explain to you what this all means. And then the guys have their aha moment. They go, oh, that'll be okay. And then the guys have their aha moment. They go, oh, that'll be okay.

But I would think right now there's just a ton of people that would really like to know how it was you said the one thing and then did something that was entirely opposite that we were forbidden from doing. Yeah, there's a chance, though, in that room when they're giving that speech. People piss. Yeah, I don't know if there's an aha moment. Are you giving us all? Yeah, everybody in here is getting $150,000. You ever trust a guy again? How do you trust him?

Either side. Because, like, you think about the live guys. Think about the things he said about them on their way out. Dragged them. Boom. And then the PGA guys are like, forget it. Right.

He told us not to. Everything you stand for is not real. And he's still the CEO of the whole thing, whatever it becomes. So he's in charge of both sides. And both sides hate him. But you're right. There is a chance that there is a meeting where there's a full explanation of why and how and what this means for them. I'd like to ask you this. Let's go ahead and zoom out.

We talked about it earlier. iPhone, zoom out. Pinch. Pinch the fingers together. Let's go high level. You know, let's go high level. Let's go high level. Good for golf 10 years down the road, Scott? Good for golf? Good for golf? It's got high level. It's got high level. Good for golf 10 years down the road, Scott. Good for golf. Good for golf. It's better for golf. Like the majors, these two years, the first two this year, Pat,

I'm reminded of just how it's just way better when the best guys are playing together. Like healthy Brooks is a totally different deal. And having him there, having Cam Smith there, if DeChambeau is going to get back to what he was in that moment when he was great, sure it's better for golf when the best players all play together.

In terms of what does it mean in the big picture, I have to think that they did it because they thought that it would help the sport in the larger sense. I know for guys like you and me in the content business, on an off-day Tuesday, right?

No Stanley Cup final, no NBA finals. I remember those days with Rasil. You're like, all right, what are we going with today? 10 o'clock, you see a tweet. You're like, well, we got three hours, boys. Boom! Who can we call? Get that bald-headed geezer on.

Get peepaw vision in his backyard on. Right backyard. I see people working. I have to think that they don't do these things if they feel like there's a cliff they're heading towards. It's just in this moment right now, Pat, it's just I got way too many questions than I have answers about what the future looks like. I'm just trying to deal with right now. It feels like a grenade just landed in our lap. Yeah.

Concur. Uh, the good news about the moment right now, full swing is filming. Here we go. So they've already tweeted out like, uh, you better believe we're filming when this broke hashtag full swing hashtag.

You, you think we're going to miss this? Nobody knew in the PGA or in live. We fucking knew. Okay. You think we're going to miss this? No way. Excited to see who they're shooting and how they found out.

Because that'll be a classic scene on the phone, PGA and Liv, and then full on. Is this real? I hope it's one of the PGA guys. That's the key, right, boys? I just assumed it was one of those fake Rappaport, fake Schefters. Oh, yeah. Darn, yeah. And then you're like, wait a minute. Hold on, hold on. And then you immediately start trying to reach out to the fellas. it was you know one of those fake rapaport fake shepters of both oh yeah darn yeah and then then

you're like wait a minute well hold on hold on and then you immediately start trying to reach out to the fellas you're like wait boys is this is this is a thing like we just found out too no you didn't yeah we did and then here we are cnbc has that gold check more yeah oh yeah that's how i knew because like normally you can get the blue these days. And I'll tell you what, these troll accounts are good. They were good back when people didn't get the blue. Even before. They had it figured out. They could get going.

We've all got got, though. Oh, yeah. I don't know if I've retweeted anybody, but I've definitely read stuff and believed it. And then I'm like, oh, what a dumbass I am. Yeah, but anything can happen like this. So that's why these trolls on the internet can certainly win. Last question here for you from Tone. Yeah, but anything can happen like this. So that's why these trolls on the internet can certainly win. Last question here for you from Tone. Yeah, SVP, I think it was last week where Rom said that the live guys

should be allowed to play in the Ryder Cup. I assume this means that DJ, Brooks, most likely definitely going to be on the Ryder Cup team this year? I assume this means that everyone's going to go to Vegas and rent a suite and just get wrecked and play dice. I mean, everything's on the table. But I would say even before John said that, and again, this is where it gets super minutiae,

and stop me if this is boring as it relates to golf stuff, but the Ryder Cup's not a PGA Tour. Boring! No, it wasn't boring. But it's a PGA of Americaica event brooks kepka won that event telling me they'd have a problem with him playing in a rider cup he just won their biggest event so i i always felt like it was going to be incredibly difficult to keep qualified players out of an event that they'd qualified for on what basis when they were already allowed to compete in

the masters the pga championship the u.s open and the open championship so i mean that's certainly on the list of questions that'll have to get figured out but i mean i would think if i'm luke donald the european captain or i'm uh zach johnson the american captain i'm just shrugging and going well apparently we can do whatever we want so give me the best guys bro Brooks, you're in. Congrats, Brooks. You still remember how to golf? Yeah. Welcome back.

Sweet. Hey, how good is it that Brooks is back, by the way? How good is it? I love it. Now, granted, I'm going to love it even more. I guess he's just going to win the PGA as well next year. I hope he does. He's all the way back.

What if Phil just comes back and he's just the best Phil Mickelson we've ever seen? You're not going to be quiet at the Champions Dinner at the Masters next year. I can tell you that. Oh, he's going to be hitting his fork. He's going to be down there in Augusta. That's like a home for you. It feels like you're down there every year. I have been lucky enough to, a long time ago,

in 97, my first year, I was like eight years old. I was like 97. Tiger Woods won his first one. That was the first one I covered. So that's a good spot to turn up every April. That's for sure. You should come. Do a show from there next year. We were like eight years old. I was like 97. Tiger Woods won his first one. That was the first one I covered. It's a good spot to turn up every April, that's for sure. You should come. Do a show from there next year. I think there's a chance that that's being conversated about, which is why we think about this particular

program at Augusta National. That's the world we're in, and somehow ESPN has those connects. That's amazing. You could slap a logo on that black tank top and be set. I'm walking in there, green tank top. Hat, too. There you go.

Right on top of the black one. Oh, yeah. Take it off, hang it on the chair. Yeah, right. We could get that out of there so quick. It'd be an honor if we were there. Just like it's been an honor chatting with you. Thank you for taking time in the backyard, pal.

Fellas, I meant what I said at the top. I'm thrilled to have you guys as part of what we're doing, and this is where I'm at. If you're bored, you're stuck, you need somebody to talk about stuff, I'm always available. I appreciate you guys. Thank you, man. You're the best, ladies and gentlemen.

And us to you. Ladies and gentlemen, Scott Van Palm. Yay! That was awesome. Great backyard. You see him working back there? Oh, yeah. Gorgeous.

I don't know what was coming in for the summer, but something very beautiful was going to be off. Oh, yeah. A new sod, maybe? What a time, dude. It is crazy what's going on. We'll continue to talk about it, obviously, through the next couple hours. And thank you to SVP.

Thank you, SVP. Some more news happening around the sports world. The Golden Knights go up 2-0. You smell me. After a 7-2 victory over the Florida Panthers, who seem to be a little bit dirty, don't they? Oh, yeah. I mean, I guess whenever you're getting blown out,

when you're down four or nothing, you're going to go ahead and do some face washes and some shots and some shit. I think, you know, this Florida Panthers story is a good one. Oh, yeah. Great story. The Kachuk, I love learning about him. He's a dog. Not only is he incredibly talented, he's a fucking dog.

He's not scared to punch you in the face. No, no. Takes some cheap shots. I love everything about it. He's a good hockey player. Yes. That hit he had on Jackie Aces last night was fucking phenomenal. So good.

What great hockey to happen here when the new Hockey's on ESPN, Hockey's on TNT world that we're in right now. This is old school hockey happening right in front of our faces in 2023. Obviously, Jackie aces, ice picks his left foot, falls, stumbles. As he's falling, Kachuk hits him. Same shoulder, same skate, side of body. Perfectly clean hit. Didn't hit him directly in the head.

Perfectly clean hit. And the momentum that Kachuk had, unbelievable. Stops a falling human this way on ice. Complete flat back the opposite direction. Buckles Jackie Aces. Jackie Aces, we don't know if his shoulder separated or if he got concussed. We don't want to put that on anybody, obviously. But he staggers off into the back.

There's obviously a fight immediately after that, even though all the boys had to see the replay and go, God damn. That's right. Good stick. Jack Yates comes back out onto the ice. Dope. Gets an assist, finishes the game, and then afterward says,

that was a good shot. Yeah. Hey, stick taps to him. That was a great shot. Hockey is awesome right now. The Vegas Golden Knights are awesomest, and I love what we're seeing out of Stoner and the boys in Vegas time. Yeah, absolutely incredible.

You wonder if the Panthers having as much time off as they did didn't kind of fuck them over going into this round because I think the Golden Knights only had two days off, maybe two or three days off before. They were riding this wave of just being incredibly hot, coming off two great series. They get that big win in Dallas, and then it's just right back home. We get to play again.

Florida's been out for like eight, nine days, but also just a sweet moment of not only, you know, Stoner and Aces and the fourth line and all the boys playing, but a guy by the name of Jonathan Marcheseau. Ever heard of him? Yeah, had three points last night, two goals and an assist. He was not protected by the Florida Panthers the year that the Golden Knights came into the league and they selected him.

So, you know, I think he's got a little bit something. Oh, send him to the expansion. Exactly. I think he's got a little bit something more to play for this series. As of right now, I mean, Jackie Aces has been unbelievable points-wise, but Marcioso just might fuck around and win the consmith if the Golden Knights can hang on. After watching these games,

is there any way you could think that the Knights aren't just going to fucking blow the skates off Florida? I don't see it. I know we're early. What do you think they were going to blow, Tone? No, no, no. You started getting real flirty. Blow their boots off?

I'm sorry, we forgot. I know this is a VGK show, okay? But the NHL playoffs, the NHL Cup, that series doesn't start until somebody wins on opponent's ice. Gotta steal one on the road. Way that goalie's playing, too.

Aiden Hill. My God. He's tall, and he's all over the place. He's a beast. Pac-Man, you're a massive Golden Knights fan getting into the hockey big time. What have you seen from your team that makes you believe that in your first year being a fan, you're going to get to hoist Lordo? Yeah. Why wouldn't I think that we won't win?

First of all, Florida haven't lost two consecutive games since when? Since the Bruins. And we're on their ass. This is not going to last long. We're going to get out the Bruins. We're going to make sure we win while we're down there. And we're going to handle our business. Like, the boys are having fun.

They're playing good. Like, all this, we done got, wasn't a cheap shot. But it seems like every time we're kicking someone's ass, they try to go after our boys. Dallas Stars did it with a cross check to the back of Stoner's head. That's right. Yeah, that was dirty. The road to Lourdes, though, is one filled with chippiness.

Exactly. But thank God his head didn't hit the ice right then. That would have been a whole different situation. Pat brings up a great point, Pat. Maybe the most impressive thing about this Vegas team, they don't get suckered into the cheap stuff. You come and you hit them, they're just going to hit you back, and they'll hit you twice as hard, but it's clean.

A lot of guys just getting punched in the face and not responding, which is crazy to me because normally one of those face washes while somebody's getting held back, that is an immediate scrum, hands going back, double penalty how you do it. Vegas has clearly in those situations kind of, you know, abstained from really buying in at all. And I'm watching guys get punched in the head. Just wah-ha-ha-. And then just keep laughing.

That's the type of stuff. Makachuk is the king of. Getting under people's skin. He's known for that. He's known for a Marshawn. Who else? There's another one. 98 or something. Sam Bennett's another one. He's a little guy. Little guy. Number nine.

What's his number? No, there's a double digit one. What's his number? Sam Bennett, nine. No, there's a double-digit one. Okay. Guy's got long hair. I don't know. Maybe. Montour. Montour, maybe.

Montour punched somebody in the back of the head last night. There's a guy with long hair. Lumberg. You're thinking of Ryan Lumberg. Lumberg fucked him. For Florida? Yeah. What number?

I don't know his exact number, but I know exactly. He took the penalty early on March or so that set up the power play. Bro, he'll cross-check everybody. Yeah, that was bad. 94. 94, fuck, that's on me. But he literally, he cross-checks. He's a little guy, too.

Yeah, oh, yeah. He's doing it. He's a dog. Need to have one of those guys out there. 5'9". Yeah, they got a lot of little pests. Tiny. Uh-huh.

And he's not getting, like, bullied out there. He's the one doing the bullying. It's like, damn, I really like to cut this guy's chin. You need that on you. That has been, like, a big difference, too. It's like, damn, I really like to cut this guy's chin. You need that on your team. That has been like a big difference too. And it costs every time. When they're getting penalties, like Vegas was one of the worst power play teams all year.

And even in the playoffs, they hadn't been great. And they're capitalizing on the power plays early in this series. If you do remember, we watched their practice. They were working on power play. They were. They're working on it. They're getting better out there. and they're getting a lot of them because the cheap shots aren't going both ways.

It's a very mature team. Looks like they're ready to hoist. Last night was that goal. So it was Knights were on a power play, and then it went to four on four. Panthers were on a power play. Did the Knights score right after the power play ended, or was that a short right after it ended?

Right after it ended, yeah. Let's talk about something else happening in the sports world right here in Indianapolis, Indiana. What happened? An Indianapolis Colts player that has not been named in the official report, but has been named self and by Colts. So we're assuming this is the only situation. Isaiah Rogers Sr. has been caught up in a gambling investigation

while in the Indianapolis Colts facility. the only situation. Isaiah Rogers Sr. has been caught up in a gambling investigation while in the Indianapolis Colts facility. In the initial report that did not have Isaiah Rogers Sr. named, we didn't learn about this until like an hour or two afterwards, they said hundreds of bets, including bets on the Indianapolis Colts, also bets happening

from the Indianapolis Colts facility. Obviously, this came out of nowhere. It was like a lot of information quick. Okay, hundreds of bets. Okay, that seems like a person who likes to gobble. Loves gobbling. This person loves gobbling. Good gobbler.

Feels like they got an eye, and it feels like they're seeing the field, the court, and the rink very well in their eyes. They're doing it. Betting from the facility. Ooh, that's not good. Can't do that. Betting on team.

Ooh. Real dumb. So when this initial report came, we were like, oh, shit, this is seemingly the worst of all sides of this. Calvin Ridley was not in the building. He was in Florida whenever he made his bet about the Atlanta Falcons. He wasn't even on the roster. No.

He was on the IR at the time, wasn't even with them. He got an entire season. Whenever we heard about Detroit, we heard about some gambling on different sports happening from in the facility, and they're like, can't do it. Can't be betting in the facility. Now we got hundreds of bets in the facility on Colts. So it's like, if it's

on the Colts, is it on other NFL games as well? You could assume. So now you've got the worst case scenario in three different buckets for a, hey, you're out of the fucking league, pal, punishment. So then as it continued to go, no names were being mentioned. There's false reports happening. This office, okay, I had to do a call.

Learn of the Colts having a gambling thing in the thing. Don't love that. Hate that. I got to go do a really serious call right now, but what the fuck? I do a 25-minute call. I come back out of my office. They had not named publicly who the person was, but the office had it figured out. They said, it's not a star player,

but it's somebody, if you were a pretty good fan, you would definitely know the name of. So that kind of eliminated some people. It was like, guess who? Is there a mustache? Glasses. Not a star. Okay, Quentin Nelson, Ryan Kelly, Jonathan Taylor. Get them out of there. But somebody you wouldn't know. Okay, there's a class. There was like 10 to 15 people

that it could have been. The boys did their research. In all roads led back to Zoomass. They knew it was Isaiah Rogers Sr. before it came out publicly because the other 10 people that it could have been went to schools where you go, I don't know. Zoomass

was the reason why this particular office nailed down Isaiah Rogers. I come out of that call, okay? I'm like, good news. All right, sweet. I come back in there. Literally, Tony looks at me and goes, we know who it is. And I'm like, we as in, like, publicly they made the announcement? Did I miss that? I didn't see it.

No, no, no. We know who it is. This office, though. And I'm like, who is it? He goes, Isaiah Rodgers Sr. Definitely. I'm like, god damn, the guy's a great player. Great player. Great returner. He's a dog. Why is it him?

And I go, well, and Tony pulls out like an Excel spreadsheet. He goes, this guy went to Virginia Commonwealth. I don't think so. Not sure. Not sure. This guy went to Stanford. This guy went to something. Isaiah Zoo Mass.

I went to the zoo. Get down. Yeah. I went to the zoo. Get down. I'd say. If we're judging off of that, we are thinking it's Isaiah Rogers Sr. We're hoping it wasn't. Then Darius Butler sends us a false text. Yes, which is bullshit. False text that goes, damn, it was

Isaiah Rogers Sr. We're like, do you know that? Celebration in the office. We figured it out out private detectives and then all of a sudden like 20 30 minutes later isaiah rogers senior comes out with a full quote about his actions and his mistake and what he wants to do and he knows he's let people down there's gonna be a long road back and i was mortified that you guys were able to congrats inspector gadget yeah boys but also like this sucks This dude is a hell of a football player. Colts need him.

And I know that there's a lot of people coming out and saying, the players don't know the rules. You fucking need to know then. Like, we do not need the integrity of the league being questioned ever. The script talk last year was already too much. But now that there's more and more players gambling, gambling on their own teams, especially when that team was involved in the largest comeback

in the history of the NFL, where in the first half a team looked like one thing, and in the second half they looked like a completely different team. Cannot have anybody speculating about the league, its players at all. Sucks for the players. Hey, completely sucks. I would have been pissed. I wasn't happy that they didn't let me have a scratch off with the local Indiana lottery whenever I was kind of coming up through this entire thing. The NFL was able to do it. The Colts were able to have a scratch-off with the local Indiana lottery whenever I was kind of coming up through this entire thing. The NFL was able to do it.

The Colts were able to have a lottery ticket. The Colts were able to do business with Sportsbook. How come they're allowed to and I'm not allowed to? And it's strictly because the integrity cannot be jeopardized at all of the league where it fucks up everything for everybody. Now, I'm not just saying that as some fucking Stooge or Corpo or Mark. I didn't really want to be in business just strictly with a sports book, to be honest with you.

Although FanDuel is the best, and we enjoyed the hell out of it, didn't necessarily want, because in the NFL, you're literally told, don't be Pete Rose. In football, you're told, don't be Pete Rose. And with the game and sports gambling growing and getting bigger, I know this is going to be tumultuous times, and it's going to be tough during this transition of keeping people away, but the NFL is going to punish heavily, and it needs to.

It needs to be nipped in the butt quickly because it is the one thing that could really fuck up the NFL that we all love, and I think players know that even though they're saying that they don't know the specific rules. It's like, well, fucking get reminded because they are going to suspend you. Long time. You're probably not going to get back in the league some of you possibly forever this don't have no no place in sports hey asshole to every asshole out there that think they can beat the system right now when

it comes to sports gambling these smart motherfuckers in here can figure out that you're gambling i'm quite sure the people at the stadium know that you're gambling. There's something around there that shows who is betting and it can pin where you're at at any time. There's no way if you got your sister, auntie, uncle phone that you think you're going to get away with it. So don't try it.

They're going to pinpoint your phone and your ass is going to be out the league. They know everything. It's kind of just we all accept it now at this point. Exactly. Now, there's some people that hold out. They sell flip phones. Sure.

They're off the grid. Yep. They don't do it. Switch their phones every month. Love it. Love everything. You're probably drug dealing, or you're just scared to death about something going on. Whatever you need to do, man.

But you ain't at a stadium. Whatever you need to do. Yeah, but if you're using a phone that can handle a sportsbook on it, there's a good – even when you log into the sportsbook, it says checking location at the bottom. It's like a little thing at the bottom. Checking location, checking location, checking location. And you're like, you're good. Boom.

They mean like in that fucking foot that you're in. Yeah. They just start. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's in his bedroom. You know that little blue dot on the map? Yeah. They fucking found you.

That is where you are. So doing it from the facility, I would assume that the NFL is going to have a big initiative to tell all the players you cannot gamble on anything in this fucking office, in this facility, in this stadium. Any NFL owned property, you cannot be gambling on. Okay? Did we get that clear? And we know, we've proven that we know,

you need to stop it. No sports. Obviously, can't be gambling on the fucking NFL. Cannot have you profiting off of things happening in games that you are potentially affecting and involved in. Can't have it. Even if you're betting on the team to win, that's even a dicey thing to kind of get through there.

You will be able to gamble when you retire. That's what I like to promise to every player. Hey, when you retire, this is going to be waiting on you. Okay? Huge. It's only going to get better. It's going to get bigger. It's going to get better.

It is an absolute blast. It is a fantastic thing. There was a time when the NFL, you couldn't market alcohol. And you would actually have the Crown Royal Suite on the football field in every single shot. And players couldn't do any alcohol marketing because it's bad for business. Hated it. Protested it. Did not like it.

You think I would have been able to move some beer with the way I was going? Yes. Absolutely would have been able to get some beer deals back in i was going yes absolutely would have been able to get some beer done uh beer deals back in the day you should see me chug a beer i mean it would have been easy easy money could not do it i was not happy about it but then the nfl opened it up to players i assume at some point there will be a transition where sportsbooks and teams figure out a kosher way that there's no questioning of what the integrity of the game is and he'll be able to mend businesses and if they're not the teams will still take money

from the sportsbooks and you will not be able to but when you retire it's like one of those things when you retire you'll be able to enjoy the hell out of it waiting for you and we promise that we will allow you to watch Hammer die every day and get really good bets or really good opinions to feed into your own, especially with the experience you have in the game, and make money. But we've got to stop this. And if you don't, you're going to be suspended for fucking ever. And I understand that there's another side to this about ignorance

and not knowing, but that's not real. No. I don't think. And I guess I've been out of the league now six years, so a lot could change, and obviously a lot has changed. But as soon as I got into the football world in college, it was pretty much like, yeah, don't do this. Can't do this. This is the one thing.

And obviously there's been scandals in the past, and the reason why they're called scandals is because they've almost taken down the entire fucking game, the entire league. It's happening in college right now, which is going to be much tougher to manage. There's 130 guys on rosters some places. That is going to be tough to figure out. There's walk-ons making no money, going into debt. Actually going into debt on the team. That's something that college is going to have to figure out. NFL-wise,

take your check, wait to double it when you get the sports gamble afterwards, boys. That's the thing with Isaiah Rogers is that he is a great player and we know him, but he's not where Calvin Ridley was. Calvin Ridley was a superstar, and the thought last year was, hey, they have to suspend him for a year because if they don't, then other players might be tempted.

If you're a guy like Isaiah Rogers, and I don't know how long the Lions and the Commanders players have been suspended aside from Jameson Williams getting six games, but is there any way they can't suspend him forever? How do you go higher than a year? The other kid got indefinite. Higher than a year in facility and on team. One thing we know about Goodell is death.

One thing we know about Goodell, he is not going to let people... He's going to set a standard about players trying to gamble. He is not going to fuck up the shield for letting one guy get by from gambling all year. No, this is going to be a serious punishment. I doubt if he comes back to play after this. I think so, too.

In his position, obviously, at least a year or two. However, whatever it's going to be, it's going to be a lot. Too long. If the report is that it's actually betting on Colts, they should come out and say it was for the Colts to win. Yes. Right? That's a big deal.

As if it's the Vikings, and we do find out that it's the Vikings. That's a big deal because boxers, allegedly boxers, boxers bet on themselves. I mean, I guess there has been. That has happened. People have thrown fights, but boxers that aren't getting big money but know they're going to win. There's been plenty of stories of them betting on themselves

and then going in there and making $750,000 on winning a fight or something like that. Average shows in dodgeball, they bet on themselves. Boom, to fund the entire gym. There's stories of these things happening in the past. The NFL don't need it because of what you're getting paid. You're going to get by.

Some of those people that are doing that are doing that strictly because the business might never be again for them and also who knows what they're actually getting paid. The NFL just can't happen, but it would be nice if they came out and said it was on the Colts to win. It was on him to return a kick for a touchdown.

So great about the team's practice that week. You know what I mean? Because if he comes out and says I just want a little bit more motivation, it's like, I guess we can get by, but Roger Goodell ain't going to do it. That's not enough motivation either, because is the juice worth the squeeze? I could actually see it if it was like a couple hundred thousand dollar bets

where you're actually going to make, these are $25, $50 bets apparently. Hundreds of them, they said, right? Most bets were in the range of $25 to $50. There was one low four-figure bet. Whoa, he liked something. I wonder if that was the Vikings. That's not enough money if you're in the NFL to risk the rest of your career.

100 bets were placed over and under. You don't know what the parlays were. That might have been 25 to win 10 grand. Yeah, which happened, Ger, still. 50 grand, 100 grand. 100, yeah. I've seen a couple screenshots of people. They turned like 20 bucks into 250.

He might have done a same-game parlay, like Matt Ryan to be sacked five times, Matt Ryan to throw an interception, Matt Ryan to get fucking fumbled. What if he does a full interview and he's like, did you see? I mean, I was winning, by the way. They didn't say anything about that.

Like roughly 100 bets, 90 winners. The unders part of it. So I'm getting suspended forever. Cool. I'm happy to be a fucking – I'm a bookmaker now. Congrats to me. I'm a handicapper now. What do you want from me?

I just – this one's going to be a long time, and our team got worse. Yes. It did not get better because we lose Isaiah Rogers. He was a lightning. He was good. He was in the back, right? He was a good player? Yeah.

He was pretty decent, but he was decent. You hear me? Whoa. He's not playing any NFL. He's not decent anymore. He was decent. You hear me? Yeah. He's not playing in the NFL. He was decent. Yeah, but Dewey Johnson's licking his lips. They just got a premier player for the XFL. He can't even bet on Arlington.

Yeah. Yeah, sorry. Let's get to a break. All right. It's got to be fun. He will play again. Bring him in. Uh-oh.

I want Isaiah Rogers now. On the Arlington realms. Yeah. Yep. The battle hawks. St. Louis. They did not win. Who On the Arlington Realms. Yeah. The Battle Hawks. St. Louis. They did not win. Who won in Arlington?

Yeah, the Renegades. Yeah, the Renegades. Not the Rams. DC Generals. Huge upset. Huge upset. Yeah. I mean, that team was humming late there.

Coach Stoops had the boys ready. It was in Louis Perez. He gave that halftime speech. Oh, yeah. He said, 30 minutes for the rest of our lives. Bingo. World champions. Bingo.

XFL world champions. You win this, your families are honored. Kids are honored. That's Tom Brady's speech. That wasn't him. No, I think he pulled that. No, no. What you're saying is Tom Brady's speech.

I thought Luis Perez said it, too. No, Luis had his own. He had his own version, but did have world champions. Yeah, of course. Which a lot of people. Wait a minute. After what Ocho said, like this is the desired league. Yeah.

Now you saying world champions. I feel like there's some mixed messaging going around. Yeah. But we appreciate your guys' fucking passion. Well, I mean, wait until Soddy gets in the XFL. Probably already are, bro. There's a chance that they already are. All right, let's get to a break.

AJ Hawk will be on the other side. There's a lot to talk about. Yeah. A lot to talk about. Ian Rapport will join us as well. Ooh. 100 bets, Ian. What were they?

Yeah, Ian. Yeah. Were they parlays? Tell us. What? Fucking guy. That's the thing about Calvin Ridley, too. Putting $1,500 on, like, 12-team parlays.

Not hitting one of them. No. Go big or go home, though. Yeah, now we're talking. That makes sense. If you're going to get banned for the rest of your life, make it worth your while. Better be winning a million dollars on a parlay. We're talking light about this. You're going to get banned for the rest of your life. Yes. Make it worth your while. Better be winning a million dollars on a parlay.

We're talking light about this. You're going to need a million at least. We're talking light about this. It's crazy, man. But this sucks. Seriously. For Isaiah, sucks. For the players, though.

This hurt the players. No player want to have a representation, or we as an NFL player group want to have a representation of throwing or especially after the script stuff yes when we've been saying it like this is just the tip of the iceberg there are so many guys that are going to get caught up in this well you're saying that because the entire hawkeyes athletic department right well that's that's part of it i mean college especially but like new guys are just trickling out from teams every you know i mean it's like every week it's like, oh, boy, the Vikings got someone.

Oh, boy, the Packers got somebody. Oh, boy, the Bears got somebody. You know, my big thing is if it's hundreds of bets and they knew where he was doing the bets from, when did they find out he was doing the bets from the facility? And at what point were they like, let's see how many. Yeah, I was like, bingo, bingo. They're like building a case. Yeah, stakeout. Like, at what point were they like, hey, you're not. Yeah, I was like. This is like whenever they're. Like, yeah, bingo, bingo. They're like building a case. Yeah, stakeout. Like, at what point were they like, hey, you're not allowed to do.

Could say. Stop. Hey, not allowed to do this. We know what you're doing. Or was it actually after they found out about the Lions, they decided, oh, we should probably look into everything. How many bets were placed inside of NFL buildings? Yeah. And then they did like a look back.

And they were like. The Holtz facility. Yeah, they just check locations on all the facilities. Yeah. And then they did like a look back And they were like And they hold facility Yeah they just check locations on all the facilities And then probably went to the sports book At what point did they decide to look back Because seemingly they would have had to Because if he's five bets in and they know You would hope somebody would be like

Hey you're not allowed to do this As opposed to be like Keep going Yeah because it was during the season Let's actually put some ads in front of us You know not allowed to do this as opposed to be like keep going. Yeah, because it was during the season. Let's actually put some ads in front of them. You know?

Especially because it wasn't like he was betting on the Miami Heat to beat the Celtics. They're pulling stuff from six months ago. So they decided to look back? Or is it an annual look? It had to be a look back. It would make sense

if after the Lions thing they're like, all right, we need to fucking pin this down and figure out what's going on here. I'm quite sure

Connor and one of his homeboys got an AI system that they could fucking go to any stadium and say, hey, look this shit up and tell me who the fuck

been betting for here or how many bets. Definitely. That's possible. I mean, sportsbooks have AIs. It's not like they don't. Well,

that's how they caught Calvin Ridley, allegedly. Yes. There was an AI that as soon as he signed up, it got sent in and then they found it. Yeah, exactly. They investigated and did some bets. It's like 100 bets happened before the AI and it was off of somebody else's name.

So that means that that name, you're not supposed to be in a building. Yeah. So then in building, they raise, who's good? Who is Gina? Gina. My phone name is Gina. We got a massive game.

Is that the marketing department? Yeah. There's somebody firing off bets every 10 minutes. Yeah. Who is this? All right, let's get to a break. AJ Hawk will be on the other side. Liv and P.J. are together.

Huge. Goblins happen in NFL facilities. Mm-hmm. The Vegas Golden Knights are just going to run the Panthers right off the ice. Nice. We're in a state of chaos. Speaking of congratulations, we could literally congratulate this guy

all day if we wanted to. It feels like we should. Ladies and gentlemen, this man has never gumbled on an NFL game that he was playing. We don't know for sure, but we can assume that to be the case because he was investigated and he was cleared. He's a college football national champion.

He's a Super Bowl champion. He's the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, one of the oldest franchises in the National Football League. No big deal. He won at the Ryder Cup, although they did not win the championship. But he did win the championship of Ohio. That's right. He's a COVID survivor and a father of 10. Ladies and gentlemen, live in an attic in Ohio, AJ Hall.

AJ, how you doing, pal? Man, I don't know if the list of accolades is that long for all humans, but yours is just so goddamn great. You know, they give a speech about whenever you die and they have your headstone or tombstone or whatever, and then there's the year that you're born, and then there's

the year that you end, and in between there's the dash. And it's what you do's the year that you end. And in between, there's the dash. That's right. And it's what you do with the dash that really matters. What's your legacy and how do you handle your dash? What you've done

with your dash, AJ Hawk, unbelievable. Thank you, AJ. Thank you, Hawker. Thank you, AJ. Thank you, AJ. Thank you, AJ.

AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk! AJ Hawk! AJ, thank you, man. Thank you for your dash. Thank you, Hawk. What if I want to be cremated? Then I don't have a dash. There's no headstone. Well, then on the cremation vase. Thank you, Ash.

So are they going to spread you in the sea or around the state of Ohio? Or are they going to have a place to memorialize you anywhere? I haven't decided yet. You know that. I don't plan on dying. You know. Yeah, I agree. Freeze me before I die and when they find a cure fucking bring me back. What's that, pal? I don't want to be frozen. I don't want that.

Why not? What do you want? Be heated? Well, that'd be the wrong thing. I don't think that works. Heat is what you're talking about. You're talking about being dead. I'm talking about just put a pause on this. That's right. Yeah, exactly. Freeze me. Just put pause. You're talking about being dead. I'm talking about just put a pause on this. That's right. Yeah, exactly.

You can just hit pause. Freeze me. Just put pause. There'll be no repercussions. Nothing. You just pause it. Nothing. Pause it.

And then any time after the next game. Just go ahead and start it back up. You're right back into it. Save the progress. As if there's nothing going. No problem at all. No, it's easy. Doctors are saying that.

It's simple. Yeah, it's easy. Just put a pause on it. Hit the pause button. And then nothing at all. Come back to it later. That's exactly how it works, right? I've heard a lot of people successfully done this already.

Well, I mean, I certainly have heard about it, but who knows what the repercussions are. No success rate either. All those super rich guys are trying it. Anyways, a great dash. A great, unbelievable dash. Let's talk about a dash that happened. Let's talk about live beginning date the chaos that happened how terrible all these humans are for doing this and taking hundreds of millions of dollars to go

play golf less often than they were with the pga with guaranteed money and do this entire other thing and although many businesses have taken money from the same exact country the players were obviously attacked more so than anybody else in the history, I believe, of the PIF investing in anything. So here we are just a couple of years later, not even. And all of a sudden, the same man that was basically doing his entire moral legacy attack on all these players and what was happening with Greg Norman and the Live team has signed a deal overnight, seemingly, to merge the PGA and Live. We don't know how much money is being invested, but we do know that the person that negotiated the deal with Jay Monahan over a span of two months that started in Venice, Italy, is what we're being told now.

Instead of pending litigation, instead they decide to merge. The person from the Live side that was representing while chatting with Jay Monahan, he runs a $620 billion fund. They've already said that $20 billion is going to go into the soccer league to make it an official soccer league around the world and viewed at the highest of highs, just like the Premier League and other things. That's why they paid Benzema and Cristiano Ronaldo. And allegedly Messi is potentially going to go over there for $400 million a year or something like that.

Tiger Woods was offered $800 million to go over there. 400 million a year or something like that tiger woods was offered 800 million dollars to go over there there was a 500 million dollar offer there's literally a never ending pile of money that's only growing bigger with every business that they've invested in go ahead and bringing it right back into their pockets so what are your thoughts on this aj and how do you think the pga golfers that remain loyal to the PGA and turn down hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars that could change their entire family, no matter how rich these kids are, you get a few hundred million dollars, that changes a lot of things. They turned it down to stay with the PGA. Now the PGA said, ha, fucking idiots.

Now I'll be able to get it pretty much overnight. What are your thoughts, AJ? I have a million questions. I obviously want to know what it's going to look like. I know I saw SVP a little bit. Nobody really knows how are they going to merge? What do the events look like? What can they do? I assume they're trying to figure all that out now, but also, how do

they keep it quiet? If he's been speaking for two months and they claim golf is one of those sports where you can't keep a secret, how was this one a secret? Because it had to be because if players found out, they'd be pissed and they would have shot it down? Well, yeah. Jay knew that Because if players found out, they'd be pissed and they would shut it down? Well, yeah. Jay knew that if any players found out, they're going to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Excuse me. And get loud. And it could have been under the guise of litigation, right? Because they were suing each other. There was a whole thing. So every meeting, everybody could just automatically assume, like, oh, they're trying to figure out their litigation.

Little did they know, Jay was in there going, hey, hey, hey, hey, all right, we see what you're offering. You got a lot of money. We got Tiger Steel. So that 800 still. Yeah. You know what I mean? Still good. Put hey, hey, hey. We see what you're offering. You got a lot of money. We got Tiger Steel. So that 800 still. Yeah. You know what I mean? Still good.

Put that after that in. And we got Roy. We got Roy. That was 500. That was 1.3. See the other guys. We got some guys coming up. You know what I mean?

We got everything. So who's the biggest winner? Who's the biggest loser? If you're going to do a cliche thing for a show. So I think biggest winner here, Greg Norman. PGA. Well. I mean, Brooks.

Phil Mick, too. Brooks Koepka. Brooks Koepka, potentially biggest winner because he's figured mean, Brooks. Phil Mick, too. Brooks Koepka. Brooks Koepka, potentially biggest winner because he's figured out how to play golf again, too. So at the time when he took a couple hundred million dollars to go play and live, I think full swing showed us he potentially thought he was never going to play good golf again and never be able to catch

up with anybody, which is a bummer because obviously he's all the way back. He's Brooks Koepka. So he got that big time check and now he's still going to be able to go and play in PGA events if that matters to him in the amount of trophies and majors and everything that he wants to do while still being able to compete against the best golfers in the world so his legacy would not be tainted later that it could have been because he wasn't playing against the best golfers of all time so i think brooks kepka definitely wins in this but if you think about greg norman like he's right this. He's been taking some heat for a couple years now about all of this situation.

But he's not on all the new press releases. He's not anywhere on those. Yeah, I would assume that there's a chance that there was some negotiating that took place. It was like that one. See ya. Need him. Yeah, can't have him.

But now Jay Monahan, who is certainly one of the winners of this entire thing because he just got a massive paycheck and has been able to do his thing. Does he have to check with anybody? Is there a board? Is there anybody he has to go through this whole thing with? So that was my question to SVP. Whenever they just found $20 million more to give out to players whenever they won tournaments out of nowhere, where did that money come from?

And who was profiting from this when they weren't guaranteeing purses and not giving a lot of money to players and making players pay for their own travel and everything every single week no matter how big of a star you were who was profiting off that is that a board i don't know you would assume that there has to be some people that release in the nonprofit goes into the nonprofit sits in the old slush fund for the nonprofit 501c man well definitely for the brand in the pat magazine foundation of 501c definitely a board because the guy who runs the PIF got a board seat.

He's the chairman now, right? It's a board for the new company. That's not part of the current PGA. I think it's a new entity. Which is a new board. But you're probably right. There's some sort of executive suite where those guys were getting paid out massive bonuses for the viewership numbers and stuff

of the pga that wasn't going to the players but was definitely going to guys like monahan bro zalator has turned down a hundred hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed before back surgery guaranteed will's outdoors young kid yeah great golfer yeah very marketable yep 130 million business this shows you it's a business right like a oh loyalty to everything all of that it sounds great but then they would have never guessed this would happen i guess this quickly too bro do you remember when sully came on from no laying up congrats to him getting the nbc peacock deal i believe they're doing a watch alongs on peacock for tournaments that's fantastic he was i don't want to say he was against the

lifting but oh yeah he was pretty against lifting and. He was, I don't want to say he was against the lifting, but he was pretty against lifting and he was like, I just don't like that the competition isn't at the highest level. You got the best golfers not competing against each other every single week or whatever. So I assume Jay Monahan heard some people saying that as their excuse on why they didn't like it and be like, well, now everybody can potentially be back.

So I make them happy and I get all this money. The people who are really, really taking it on the shins the most, Tiger Woods. Tiger, yes. $800 million. Then you wake up the next morning and we business partners, oh, God, I've been turning him into my best.

If you think about Sonny, they're like, yeah, let's definitely give money to Tiger because we need him, but we're in a much different time now than we were at the $800 million. Rory just blew a tournament. Why the hell would we give him $500 million? Yeah, certainly $500 at one point whenever we were trying to. But now that we're definitely going to work together, like a much smaller scale.

Maybe $50 million. I told Nike I didn't want to be a part of Nike anymore because it was a bad deal and some things had happened. And I was like, I'm going to take a stand. I'm not going to take their free shit. So I told them, save it. Next year, they were the official sponsor of the NFL. I had Nike check marks all over my entire body.

It was like, yeah, I took a stand. I did it. I did it. I took a stand. I'm a fucking, you know what I mean? And then literally more check marks on me the next year than I'd ever had in my entire life. And it's like the players at an $800, $500, $200, $150 million level are feeling that

all this morning. And we'd assume Jay's going to give him some money, right, for this new entity. There's probably going to be new business opportunities for these players, new events, new situations, like all that type of stuff. I don't know if any of them are going to sit at $130 million guaranteed. You know what I mean? Nope. I don't know if any of them are going to sit at $130 million guaranteed. You know what I mean? Nope, I don't think so. I want to know what the, hopefully the purses are just crazy

for some of these tournaments now. Like I would assume it's going to, it's a good thing that all the same players, I guess, are on the same tour, kind of. But how does that, like, does the live still have all their, what happened? A $50 million purse. That'd be sweet. For like a weekend. Yeah, for an elevated.

That would be be sweet. For like a weekend. Yeah, for an elevated That would be so sweet. Especially the first one where they're intermingling and it's not a major. Definitely like $50 million purse. Yeah, and also have them all mic'd up. They have to do interviews throughout the entire thing. Most stressful moments of their lives. Let's hear from them. What are your thoughts

Michael Block? Do all the live guys who sign those $130 million deals for X amount of years, do they just get paid out? Do they just get all of that guaranteed right now? I don't know. No way. So then are those void then because they're then joining another league?

I would say they're probably not void. Now, granted, at the end of the day, if they wanted to be void, I guess. But for some of those guys too, though, it wasn't like a contract, though, right? Like, Phil got an upfront fee to come over. Yeah, for certain events, too. Exactly. So, like, I think some of those guys, I mean, I don't know what they've been doing since then, but it seems like some of those guys, like, that was part of the deal.

It's like, hey, this isn't like a contract. Like, we're giving you this money upfront to leave the PGA and come over. Oh, and then they also got the contract. It was a signing bonus and a contract on top of it. Right. So maybe the $130 was just like a signing bonus for Will Zalatoris, so we didn't hear about the contract on the backside. Exactly.

But nonetheless, Will Zalatoris wakes up this morning with a sore back and a pissed off throat. Yeah. Well, and I think Rory, too, has to be, because he was kind of, like, I mean, he's already wealthy, obviously, but he was kind of thrust into it. Did you think of Will Zalador this morning? Worst day of his, like, legitimately worst day of his entire life. Will, we want to let you know, like, we're bummed for you.

Now, we are laughing because that's how we get through our grief for you because it's just like, what a scene. Oh, no. What a scene. I had $130 million guaranteed. They were going to wire that money. Why am I going to put a little Aces shirt on? I still get to play in the majors.

I got to go to PT right now. Instead, me and Jordan and Rory. Go ahead. So Rory's made over like $150 million career earnings, something like that. Will's about $10 million. $130 million? Oh, no! So, is that who we're going big?

I mean, $800 million is still a lot, but Tiger's good without it. Tiger's good without it forever. Will, we assume, his golf will be able to keep him good forever. Although he had back issues which could change his swing irreparably. I mean, there is a lot of things that could happen.

Let's assume Will is going to figure it out. Will's in great shape. I hope. $130 fucking million just coming right over. That's so many millions of dollars. After the losses he's had by this much. And with the player. And all you need is to accidentally, like your back just has a little bit of a,

and then you hit that high on a ball on 18 that changes from like a 2 million payout to a tie for second that's actually like $400,000 and then you have to pay for the house that you just lived in well you did I guess not anymore I assume Liv is not going to let that happen anymore but there was just so many

things that could happen to turn down a whole... But they were getting celebrated at the time. Let's never forget it. Yeah, he was a hero. They were heroes. And they were... Still in some people's eyes, I assume, absolute heroes. But they were teamed up, right? It was Jordan, Rory,

Zalatoris, Scotty Scheffler, Rombo. And they're like, yeah, this is our tour now. Fucking putting on our backs. Yeah, exactly. We're like, yeah, this is our tour now. Fucking put it on our backs. Yeah, exactly. We're going to walk all these PGA courses for you guys, for the legacy. Team morals. For the Jacks and the Ernie's.

They got to be so mad. And the Gary's. Yeah. All the players of the past that have built this for Tiger. Tommy Ganey. We ain't going anywhere. Two gloves. And then two years later. Fuck. Oh, my God. Our legacy. Tommy Ganey. We ain't going anywhere. Two gloves. And then two years later.

Fuck. Oh my God. Our league is a shit of being selfish. Oh my God. I just lost $100 million. All right. Hey, we think they're all going to be great golfers and winning good for golf.

Yep. Let's get to football now. There was obviously over 100 bets happening from an NFL player, an active NFL player. Bets happening from an NFL facility and on the NFL team in which the person played on, allegedly. Joining us now is a guy who hopefully

has more information than all of us. He's a senior NFL insider for the NFL, for the NFL's website, for the NFL's network, and the NFL streaming service, NFL Plus. Host of the weekly wrap-up of the Rap Sheet and Friends, us being the friends, he being Rap Sheet. Ladies and gentlemen, host of the Insider's Ian Rap Corner. Yeah, Rap Sheet!

NFL Plus! Hell yeah. Mark, I don't know if you guys know this, but today's coverage of mandatory minicamps today and tomorrow and then two times next week are exclusively available on NFL

Plus! Yep. Let's do this. Shout out NFL Plus. Let's go. I'm going to watch. It's crazy nobody's going to watch it, but hopefully someday. What do you mean?

What's that? What do you mean? Yeah, it's just like, it seems like every platform that just thinks they're going to be able to do whatever they want with people's time and schedules and viewing habits

and just change them completely. They always seem to swing a big stick. And then inevitably, the first couple of years, maybe three, four, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, who knows, we're still in this transition period. Just a massive. Yeah, can't hit the curveball. Just massive miss. Nobody sees it.

And then clips come on the internet and we're all like, okay, thank you. Yeah, they're doing it. Thank you. You know what I mean? That's kind of what happens, I think. But not with NFL Plus. It's the NFL. No, right.

The NFL is up and to the right at all times, and it needs to remain that way, especially because sports gambling is coming into a real power play here in Americana. We're talking about a potential trillion-dollar business at some point. Only in 17 states. It's going to be in at least 40. There are some states that are never going to get there,

but the money is going to yodel-yodel, yodel-yodel, yodel-yodel. It's going to continue to go. The NFL knows that. They're going to be able to profit off it, but the players cannot dabble because if the players dabble, then the integrity of the game gets questioned, and if the integrity of the game gets questioned, the entire fucking league, yodel-yodel, can, hey, completely

fall. Isaiah Rogers Sr., allegedly, over 100 bets happening from the facility and on the Colts. Is this all true? And this is going to be a big time suspension almost ban, it sounds like. Well, first of all, he has put out a statement acknowledging, it seems

like a lot of this, right? I mean, he has taken full responsibility, which I guess is good, but it seems like, look, what we know is the NFL is... Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Well, I mean, it's good, but it seems like look what we know is the yeah it's good yeah whatever yeah it's good well i mean it's good but it also all allegedly happened and it is something the nfl is looking into so it's taking full responsibility after you've gotten caught is good but it's also all that stuff happened uh and it's all really bad allegedly um the nfl is looking into it i know

when the first kind of batch of these came, we sort of knew there was maybe a couple others that existed around the same time. This was one of them. It seems like this, just based on the initial reports, was a little more expansive. And we'll see what punishment he gets. But you talked about potential banishment which is suspended a year uh if that is the case i mean that's that's pretty significant and then he would have to apply for reinstatement which he could get or he could not get like if what the reports say is true this could be extremely significant extremely significant a.j. and does does the NFL have, like, does the league office have a group or a team that does this that specifically monitors everything? And have they had this from the jump when they knew sports gambling was coming online?

Yeah, I mean, there is a lot of sort of examination. There is a lot of investigation, I would say, into what players can do. There's a lot of tracking. And I know this, Isaiah Rogers, just based on the articles that I've read and the information that's out there, did not use his own name. But some players have. So when you use your own name, it's all pretty easy. And I'm not sure exactly how Isaiah Rogers Sr. was caught.

Yeah, so let's dive into that a little bit. So do you think when the Detroit Lions thing happened and they found out about some players, and obviously Calvin Ridley, I think he signed up under his own name out of Florida, and then they had something that tracked basically, pinged the NFL and was like, hey, one of your players pings up there. They look into it. He had been gobbling big-time parlays.

Who knows how long from first bet to when they caught him was for this one if it was like hundreds of bets allegedly happening from the facility and on the colts it's like they would have been using the geo locator and then the friend of isaiah rogers name popped up in the facility it wasn't supposed to be in there and how long did they know did they decide to look into it once they found out about the Lions? Like, did they know he was gambling and they didn't stop him after, like, first five bets because they wanted to build a case? Like, what is the whole procedure, you think, from your standpoint

and how this kind of all goes? I mean, these are a lot of really good questions. And, frankly, I'm, you know, we're all sort of new at this. You know, this is not, like, the investigative process of a lot of other things I've been through, unfortunately, have covered extensively. This is new. The first one was only a couple weeks ago, so how exactly a player can be caught when he's not using his own name is something that I'm really curious about and I hope to find out a little more about because you know if if that's the case then hopefully like if players can be caught when not using their own name then hopefully that eradicates a lot of this right like if you're using your own name then like you're going to be caught I would like to know how exactly he was caught and when they when they allegedly caught him my guess though just guess

is that when they first found out that Isaiah Rogers Sr. was allegedly involved, that they probably put a stop to it because it's all bad. Any player with inside information, you can't gamble on your team anyway. You can't gamble on sports from the facility. It's all bad, and doing so with inside information, whether you bet for your team to win or lose or whatever, it's the kind of thing that has to be stopped

as soon as humanly possible. We would like to know if that was for the Colts or against the Colts. I think that is a pretty big piece of the information. I assume we'll never... Don't go anywhere. He's going to find out right now. No, no, no. Sorry.

Got the bed slip? Sorry. I had to remove my cover from the camera so they could see that my shot is okay. Oh, you guys are doing a test, though. Okay. Shot's okay. We're going NFL twice.

A little bit of glow. I'm glowing today. I'm on the future. You know what I mean? Oh, sweet. I let them know about it. I respect that. I've also seen Jude and Max, both goalkeepers.

Good luck out there. If you want old Uncle Pat to go ahead and loosen up some soccer balls and see if they still got it or not, let me know. I'll come over there. All of it is bad, though. Need it not to happen. Join old Uncle Pat to go ahead and loosen up some soccer balls and see if they still got it or not. Let me know. I'll come over there. All of it is bad, though. Need it not to happen. Need to figure it out.

Isaiah Rogers, good player for us, too. As a Colts fan, good player for us. I think it's going to be tough to see him back on a football field. And I would like him thinking he had it figured out, I think, is the part that I really, I don't want to say enjoy, but like the thought of him at the facility telling teammates about how he does it and what he's doing and how cool he had to feel. Yes. You know what I mean?

He felt so cool. Oh, yeah. No, do it through somebody else's name, you fucking idiot. What are we? And I can't lose. That's right. I put 100 bets in, $25, $50. I had this $25 bet, turned into $3,000.

Seeing the board. Like, wow, $3,000, that's a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I'm about to lose out on $10 million $50. I hate this $25 bet. Turned into $3,000. Wow, $3,000. That's a lot of money. Yeah, I'm about to lose out on $10 million. $10 million bet is probably going to be a problem. That's really the crazy thing. The ethics of it is bad. What it could do to the game if there's more of this

is really, really bad. It can't happen. That's all bad. The thought of winning a couple thousand dollars and sacrificing millions of dollars is wild like and that's what i don't understand like the instant gratification of gambling knowing that if isaiah rogers is good he could get millions like that's the thing that makes my yeah but people do stuff knowing the repercussions all the time and the repercussions

are terrible i'm not talking about uh in just, but in the whole world people do it. I would assume you feel invincible and like you're never going to get caught. And then, boom, all of a sudden everything you do on your phone is being tracked by somebody at some point. So it's just a sad situation. Go ahead, Pac. And so we was doing the numbers. There's like seven NFL players that's been caught gambling right now. Do you think more teams will be coming up?

Do you think the NFL is going around and checking every system? What do you think? Yes, I do think the NFL is doing that. I think it's expansive. There's a lot of guys sweating right now. Hopefully not a lot of guys. Hopefully not a lot of guys, Hopefully not a lot of guys,

but there are certainly some people who are going to have some sleepless evenings over the next few weeks, I'd assume, if this is looked at. From what it sounds like after the Detroit Lions and a couple others, Commanders, whatever, a couple weeks ago, the education went way, way, way up.

We were talking about at the time how I didn't exactly know that you couldn't gamble on other sports from the facility. If players didn't know that then, they know it now. You know, if they didn't know that they could not use their close associate to gamble for you, they probably know it now. And it sucks that there is like a feeling out period and a learning period. I guess I should have expected.

I don't know. I was probably naive as far as what this would be like. But there's no secrets now. And if players are paying attention, they see the penalties, they see the looming penalties, they see what can happen. Hopefully this is stopped before it starts. And once again, boys, when you retire, it's going to be here. Yep, that's right.

It's going to be even better. You're going to be even smarter. You'll have it figured out by then. You know what I mean? It'll be even better when you're just winning, winning, winning. Let's pivot away from the gambling. Let's go somewhere else. Go ahead, Tone. Ian, I just saw that the Jets canceled their mandatory minicamp next week because they're reporting

early because they have the Hall of Fame game, I believe. Does that... Are we also getting an extra week of hard knocks this year? Jets are going to be hard knocks right right right right hard knocks has not made an official announcement I know so I do not know who the hard knocks team is bullshit I will say it seems like the let's just say there are some higher ups with the Jets so if they were on hard knocks would probably not be very upset by it now Now, players, coaches, you know, they definitely deal with it. And hard knocks and, you know, NFL films does an awesome job. Like hard knocks is fun and has been really good over the last

couple of years, especially the in-season one, but also the training camp one. And they treat players right. So even though football people are a little wary of it, it seems like the product and the treatment has been really good. The Jets don't need any more publicity. They're going to get a lot of it from our network and other networks, mostly because of your friend Aaron Rodgers. If they were on hard knocks, I think it would be pretty

awesome. I think the business people and really high up people with the Jets all the way up to ownership would probably be pretty psyched about it. Hell yeah. I don't know who it's going to be, but I would say it's it. Hell yeah. I don't know who it's going to be. That's an error. But I would say it's a pretty decent possibility. I'm feeling 22. While he's going out to practice.

You would love to go. So cool. NFL Films does such a good job with hard knocks. I hope it's a good one. You know what I mean? Yeah. I hope it's a great one. It seems like there's some hit, some miss.

But I feel like next year is going to be a good one regardless because we are just... 93 days. 93 days away from the NFL season. So Hard Knocks comes at a time where we're not even at NFL football yet. Yeah, exactly. Hey, I got a question for you, Pat. You know Aaron pretty well.

If Hard Knocks comes, will he let them in sort of? What do you think? AJ, go ahead, pal. I think we all know the answer to that. AJ? I think there's no telling. I don't think either he'll let them all in, they'll be awesome, or he'll completely cut them off.

How about ESPN asked me? ESPN asked me. They said, so is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday happening again or anything like that? I'm like, I honestly have no idea. They're like, what do you mean you have no idea? I'm like, I have no idea. I don't know. I think there's a chance

because we're coming to espn's universe like there's a chance he says absolutely not yeah and then there's also a chance he's like hell yeah happy to be a part of it pumped that you guys got to be in front of like every human and i feel like and i only feel that way because that's kind of what aj says aj is like who, who knows what's going to happen? Because I think he is, if you talk to him, he's all about the current moment. Like right now. You know what I mean? Like, how is right now going?

I want to focus on this. It's like, basically, his entire pursuit to his true happiness has been trying to figure out how to focus on the moment as opposed to the past and the future. You go into that darkness because all you have is like right now. Right now. All you have is fucking right now. You literally have nothing else you have right now. So I think there's a chance that Hard Knocks could do something epic with Aaron. Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? For sure. Which would be good for the game because 20 years from now, when Aaron's no longer playing, and there's a generation that maybe didn't get to see Aaron play football, they'll still be able to see, like, hey, this is what, like the J.J. Watt thing. Him allowing them to do their entire retirement thing, which he had to make that decision and let them do that,

was great for the NFL, for us, and 20 years from now, good for J.J. But in that same vein, J.J. could have said, fuck you. I'm going to do my own, you know what I mean? And I assume he had those actual thoughts and potential thoughts. The fact that the NFL Films has gained so much trust, though, with a lot of the players I think should help him.

But who knows? When I was covering the Patriots in 2010 for the Boston Herald, I didn't know this at the time, but NFL Films was following Bill Belichick and the Patriots inside the organization for an entire year.

You remember that great two-part series? Do your job. We were all stunned that Belichick let anyone in. NFL Films is going to come in the locker room and get private conversations. Team meetings! I remember that's where they had the great Halloween party scene.

There was a lot of great stuff. But the reason is, is because Belichick, of all the things he cares a lot about, history and legacy is a big one. And so he was like, I'm going to let people in, and then I will get to essentially help write the history. And I wonder if Rodgers, who has a deep appreciation for the NFL as well, if the Jets are on hard knocks, of course, I wonder if he's kind of on the same page there.

Yeah, I'll be intrigued to see it all. Hopefully they'll be able to do it. It'll be good for the viewers, good for us, good for everybody. Guys, top four all the time pretty much in everybody's conversation. So the more we learn about them, the better, I think, for the good of the future. Ty has a question for you. Rep G, we've heard that Dalvin Cook to Miami is like kind of a done deal.

Minnesota doesn't want him anymore, but Miami, you know, drafted a guy and they have a pretty full running back room. Have you heard anything about like anything in terms of updates on that whole situation? Yeah, I mean, that was something the question of could Dalvin Cook go to Miami was something that I know was kicked around pretty hard in March. You know, I know that there were definitely teams calling just like, you know, any veteran who's kind of high priced and you sort of wonder about his status, like teams are always going to call. I'm sure there were conversations that happened between the Dolphins and the Vikings.

Dalvin Cook is still on the Vikings. If he was free, would Miami take a look? I would imagine they would, but I still don't know. Like, there's not a lot of appetite right now for paying really anyone a lot of money. I mean, Leonard Floyd got $7 million yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. And that was a lot. And Oliver just got $45 million. Yes.

Younger player, though. Younger, good player. I'm talking about veterans. Not a lot of people want to pay. That's not that old. Whoa. This guy. That league. That little thing you got

on your chest right there, the capability of that little plus mark on there, is because of the veteran players. The stars that are around for 10 years, 8 years, the ones that you just, what'd you say, lost it? Is that what you said? Nope. Nope.

I wish it was the veteran players betting on the game so that we get them out of the league quicker. Is that what you said, Ian? Jeez Louise. No. None of this has Betting on the game so that we get them out of the league quicker. Is that what you said, Ian? Geez, Louise. Saw that never. No. None of this has happened. Just so everyone clipping this off knows, none of this has happened.

I'll tell you what, you get clipped off, you can get a spot. You get clipped off, you can put yourself in a spot. I'll get clipped off. There's been a couple clipped off moments in my life. Oh, yeah. It's tough. It's like, whoa, they're clipping me off. You know what I mean?

You know what I mean, Ian? Anyways, what you said, Dalvin Cook can't do it anymore. No, no, no. He had surgery on his shoulder when the season ended. Doesn't matter. That has been something

that had been giving him problems. So that should be stronger this year. Remember, he's been in and out kind of with his shoulder dislocation. He should be stronger. Here's my thing. If the Vikings are going to release him, which is still possible,

I think everything is possible. Trade, probably unlikely. That would have happened already. Release is possible. But why haven't they done it already? Is there a middle ground that the team could find where he has a salary that he accepts, the team keeps him, and they move forward together?

That, to me, has not been ruled out at all. So would Miami be interested? I imagine they would be. They like really good players. I'm not so sure this final story's been written. I'll tell you what, Dalvin Cook restructuring to take less money would be an interesting thing. I don't think he would do that.

A shoulder injury is not that bad. Fix the motherfucker and let's get back to work. And he's a player. Even though Ian says he's old. Fuck Dalvin Cook. Did you just say fuck Dalvin Cook? Yeah, he's old. Fuck Dalvin Cook. What? Did you just say fuck Dalvin Cook? Yeah.

Oh! Holy shit. That's what I got over here. I thought I heard that too. Oh, now you're throwing up gang signs. No, no, no. Illuminati. Oh my God.

Holy shit. I see it. You said it. This video's getting taken down. Clipped off. Yeah. Getting clipped off. He's trying to clip off the driving crew. Come on, Ian.

You're going to steal my teacups. All right. Sorry. Inside Ian's side. Go ahead, AJ. Ian, speaking of running backs, where and when do you think guys like Zeke Elliott sign? Speaking of veteran running back free agents. Oh, I forgot he was out there.

Yeah. That's a really interesting one. So the Cowboys have mandatory minicamp today. I actually kind of wondered if we might see Zeke's sign at some point around this time. It has not happened yet. They're at mandatory minicamp. So probably looking more at something around the start of training camp. The words of Stephen Jones and Cowboys officials yesterday

where they talked about how they have not ruled out a Zeke Elliott return was kind of interesting to me because, you know, I know there's been some discussions about potential landing spots. You kind of wonder, like, if he's going to take not a lot of money, like, wouldn't he rather it be with the Cowboys? The Cowboys could be good. He obviously has passed the torch to Tony Powell. He's on the franchise tag.

Yeah. Doing really, really well. Bring me back. Worth nothing. Fuck Yeah. Doing really, really well. Bring me back. Yeah. Worth nothing. Fuck you. Doing nothing. That means.

Yeah. Why not? Pass the torch. I'll play fullback. Tony, you didn't pass the torch. I mean, Tony Pollard's a dog, dude. Yeah. Zeke might be the best pass-protecting running back I've seen in like 10 years.

Love that. I saw his last play with the Cowboys. He didn't pass. Well, he's a center there. He would say running back. Yeah. True. He's a bad center, just like Griff Wh years. Love that. He saw his last play with the Cowboys. He didn't pass. Well, he's a center there. He would say running back. Yeah, true. He's a bad center just like Griff Whalen.

Not a... Why you got to bring that up? That's my guy. He's a bad center. Griff Whalen's a terrible center. I think he would say. Yeah, no shame in that. Bad center.

Screwed up. Not the greatest. But you put him on special teams, wide receiver, anything else. He's a fucking guy. If you put a fish on land, wouldn't it say, man, I suck? Yeah.

But you put a fish in goddamn water, guess what? Thriving. That's what happens with Zeke at center and Griff Whalen at center. Just bad things happen. But you put them back in water, good things happen. And that's what we're here for. Makes sense. That's beautiful.

Pond, I have a question for you, Rap. Please. Yeah, Rap. The odds on favorites to get DeAndre Hopkins right now are the Browns and Patriots. I believe there was an alleged visit or maybe scheduled visit with the Texans. Is there any update on that? And when can we expect him to get signed?

Because also it is his 31st birthday, and the NFL put out a montage video, and the first video is him actually scoring on Adam Pacman Jones. No way. Is that real? First video. There's no purpose. Right away.

He scores so many. Right away. We had great battles. That's his only touchdown. I played him seven times. Okay. All right. You got clipped off.

Yeah, I got clipped off. Yeah, you got clipped off. You got clipped off there. Clipped. By the NFL. Jeez Louise. Bullshit. Anyways, go ahead, Rhett.

In all seriousness, I can talk to some people and get them to remove that cliff from the internet. Yeah. You don't know anybody. Yeah, here it is. Right away. No. Two seconds into the video.

Good catch. Good coverage. Good coverage. That is a great catch. Oh, yeah, it is. What did you say? He got a shin in, too. Yeah.

Bob touched the ground there. Did they review this pack or no? No. That's good coverage. He scored on this one. Yeah, the worst part is that the announcers. Oh, all over Adam Jones. Hold on, though.

Let's talk about your shoe deposit. Oh, that was clean. Bro, spat. Yeah, spat it pretty nice, and then you got. Yeah. So you left enough space to tie shoes at the top? Yeah. Or you cut a hole in the tape?

What did you do? Cut a hole in the tape. You know, when I spat, leave the shoe screens out. You felt so cool when you thought of that? When did you think of that? Since high school. Oh, really?

It's been like your thing? Yeah. Was this Thursday night, Pac-Man? Yes, sir. Yep, this is the game we went to, Pat. This is the virtual reality game. How does Fox remember that? I was in a fucking goat trailer.

Yeah, and I was drinking beers in the stands. Foxy's at the time of his life. I'm in a goat trailer down one of these fobs or whatever. And it was – this was like one of the only – this was the only touchdown. Right? Yeah.

It was potentially the worst game of all time. It was so bad. Did the Texans quarterback run for – who was the Texans quarterback? Tom Savage? No, he didn't run that much. They had the boy up there. Of course. Was it Brock Osweiler?

That guy. That guy. The boy, man. Was it Brock Osweiler? That guy. That guy. The boy, man. Was it a sob? No, what year was it? Anyways, where's he going? Oh, right. So a couple of the teams you mentioned I would say probably are in the mix.

Browns. Browns. Look, I saw the public love for the Browns. We'll see if that's an eventual landing spot. I think there's some other interesting ones. Did you hear that? That was a little... I heard the Stooges were thinking it.

The untrained eye was thinking it. As we know, the gambling favorite is not who actually is the favorite. It's who they can... You know it. Come on. You guys are way better at this stuff than I am. Anyway, I would say a couple other teams should probably be in the favorite. It's who they can... You know it. Come on. You guys are way better at this stuff than I am. Anyway, I would say a couple other teams should probably be in the mix. You sound like Bill

Waldner. You made no sense. That made no sense. Welcome to my life. Bro, Bill, did you see Bill on our program? Killed it. Killed it. I watch regularly. We understand you've got to work on TV all the time

and everything like that. You can see some clips. It was on Mars. It was unbelievable. We were going. We were taking real trips in there. I'm somebody that obviously kind of sways from where I'm headed. I have to. I've got massive respect for how his brain operates. There was a couple of times

I was trying to... Red Rocks. You were there. Red Rocks. yeah whenever there was a torrential downpour a great dead concert you had to move to the now ball center and that's why the nuggets here at the center of the universe it was unbelievable it was but you just did that with all you guys are better than whenever you said the public thing right so you're trying to pawn off that like we know better than you we don't especially you know that whenever you say like that's what the public thinks but me i'm not the public obviously you see this fucking thing right here i'm in i'm in plus yeah that's right i am in there even more what i'm hearing is different things so you're saying

there's negotiating going on right now a lot of the negotiating trying to get a deal done because that's what you said you guys know this better than us just like who's going to be able to get a deal done with d hop is basically the biggest question. Or there are certainly some teams that you're hearing are in much more than others. Well, first of all, the timing. I would not be surprised if he waited a little bit. Because time is really on his side. It's like, talk about the one that happened yesterday, Leonard Floyd.

I thought he'd signed before the draft. He waited. He waited. And the price went up, up, and up. Because three or two other teams besides the Bills were interested. And when they didn't get someone in the draft, they needed a pass rusher. All of a sudden, he had a huge market. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened with DeHop because you get through minicamp and then you get to the start of

training camp. Even if he's not signed by the start of training camp, you know, it's whenever injuries happen, especially in training camp, or God, especially in preseason games, it is the worst. It sucks beyond all things. However, it does create need. And so he might be better served from waiting. If a really, really good playoff caliber Superbowl potential team has a needed receiver, he could get some real money, but that's kind of where I would look. You know, like, I know the Chiefs were someone who people talked about maybe. I know the Bills had some interest early on. Patriots have been mentioned.

Bean did not shut the door yesterday. Did not. Bean did not shut the door yesterday. Let's pick the program. I know you're a golfer, but we asked him about it. Boom. Straight up. By the way, he did not visit the – he's been training in Houston,

but he did not visit the Texans. Ooh. Boom. Straight up. By the way, he did not visit the Texas. He's been training in Houston, but he did not visit the Texas. Is that because they told him not to visit or there's just nothing? Hey, don't fucking... We don't want you. No, I don't think it was that they... Why don't you de-hop your ass around Houston?

But not here. Is that no old friends in the building? Yeah. You don't think he'll get somewhere early so he can learn the playbook and But not here. Is that no old friends in the building? Yeah. At all? You don't think he'll get somewhere early so he can learn the playbook and practice? Practice. That's what I'm talking about. I don't know.

In my experience, veterans don't love to be there for a mandatory minicamp. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What just happened right now? Time is on his side. History shows if he just waits, opportunity will be there. Especially as you get closer to the games, if you're a coach and you're like, we're good with these young kids,

and then maybe if one doesn't pan out, all of a sudden it's like, actually, we need this rock star veteran who's a belt. Old guy who's out of touch. We get it. Good luck on TV. Can't wait to hear. Sorry, on NFL. Pause.

Can't wait to watch the clips. You're the man. Thank you for your time, Ian. Appreciate it, guys. Please tune in. It actually starts in four minutes. Well, tell them to clip you off so we can see. Yeah, exactly.

Get clipped off. Ian Rappaport. I don't want to get clipped off here. What a line. Yeah. Ian Rappaport, clipped off. I love it. Weird, too, because when were we going to stop the show at 2

so we could watch NFL Plus? Wasn't that an idea? Why are you doing that? Just put it on NFL Now. Yeah. Come on. Do them both. Okay, where is NFL Plus?

Is it like an app like ESPN Plus? It's an app. I think it's an app. You can watch all the primetime games on your phone. I don't want to say that it was such a massive piece of the conversation, but it was a massive piece of the conversation. Us remaining on YouTube while also going on any of the channels that we're potentially negotiating with or whatever.

It's like people at work, people that have things going on in their phone. It's easy. I get it. nfl plus could feasibly in theory work because people just pull it up on their phone at all times but also just like you can make it real simple for like everybody and people that normally do the clipping to get onto the internet just put it on the channel as well if you're if you're on simple digital and on linear you're kind of getting it seen. These are some things we'd like to see. We're live at OTAs.

This is a big piece of information here that they have access to that we would love to have access to. So hopefully, because rap is so popular, the people watching on NFL Plus will feel obligated to strip and clip them off. Yeah, exactly. And then we'll be able to see everything we need to see from all these places. And on the flip side of that, yes, if it's on NFL Network, I'm in. I'm watching it.

I don't know how many people you're driving to the app by saying, hey, we got the crew at the desk covering OTAs. It's only $14.99. Buy it. Get the app. And then, yeah, you'll be able to watch out-of-market preseason games as well in a couple months when that comes around. But for right now, we got all the fucking OTAs you can handle.

You're missing it. There's other stuff on there. Yeah. Ain't there, AJ? There's other stuff, Pat. Like, you get the social media accounts on there. That's right. I'm a sidebar. All of them. Oh, the top 100 player countdown. Boom. You get the audio,

I believe, broadcast of most games. You do. You get the insiders with Ian Rappaport, Garofalo, and Pellicero. You get a lot. You get the combine coverage. They're down on the field there. Love that. They do do that on NFL Network.

Yeah, Rich Eisen's not on the one that is on NFL Network, but they're there. Listen, it's coming together. Do you get any merch or like a hat or something? For watching? Yeah. I don't know. You got a sweet NFL Films cap on right now.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Only hat I saw this morning. AJ, what are you making those sounds for? There's smog over here because of Canadian wildfires. We hope everybody's okay. I know. I was worried about your guys' lungs.

You were talking about you couldn't breathe yesterday. It's worse. It's in Columbus right now. Oh, no. It's not in Columbus guys' lungs. You were talking about you couldn't breathe yesterday. It's worse. It's in Columbus right now. Oh, no. It's not in Columbus. Look outside. You'll see it. It's like you're naturally.

I've been running around trying to test it. Oh, really? It breathes great. You did the Murph this morning outside in the smog. Nice. These Canadian wildfires can't beat me. You are a crazy son of a bitch. We would like to let everybody know that the smoke is getting Indianapolis bad.

Yesterday, there was real smog. There was crap. Shoot smog looking outside. Coming in the studio. It's crazy. It comes in the studio. You guys better put gas masks on. Yeah, I think it just kind of got caught up in the pipes.

It must have, yeah. Kind of came through here. That was a loud bang yesterday. But yeah, bingo. It was all caught up in there. Shoot smog yesterday in Indianapolis. Visible. Could see it.

There was actually a layer of felt like it was. From the wildfires or from what? From the wildfires. Shoot. This is real deal here. For real. And then, you know, you start thinking to yourself, like, this is what we're experiencing here in Indiana. What is it in? Could you imagine? Canada or

Minnesota? What happened though? What caused all those wildfires? Probably a lightning strike. Probably some dry. Some dipshit. I thought it was a letter Kenny flicked a cigarette and then the whole entire fire. I hope that's not the case. Check out your sunset tonight, okay? It's going to be beautiful.

But not with pain becomes beauty. Yeah, yesterday. You should wear an N95, though. You and the, yeah, beauty is pain. That's right. Pain can be beautiful. All of those things. You need to take the N95 out there, though, not if it's anything like what we were experiencing yesterday. And to everybody that is

closer to this fire than us, obviously, T's and P's, man. Seems like it's a fucking real deal. Well, because the air quality thing was, I mean, I don't know how they track that and everything, but it was at a 153, and 150 is the threshold for like, hey, this ain't safe to breathe this in. It was visible.

Oh, yeah. What are you supposed to do? Go inside? Yes. Close your window. They actually said that on local news. They was visible. Oh, yeah. What are you supposed to do? Go inside? Yes. Close your window. They actually said that on local news. They said, limit your outdoor activities. Driving back to Indy yesterday, the entire skyline was all haze.

It was actually kind of scary. Yeah, it was. Wasn't expecting that whatsoever. What's this all about? Go back inside. Yeah, summertime. I've heard this before. That air still gets inside. I heard this.

Now I got good filters. Last time I heard, put on a mask and go inside. I got filters. Good filters. We're good. But we do have positive T's and P's to everybody. Yes. And I know people get pissed off when people do that.

Just want to let you know, we're just trying to put a little positivity in the universe for the people that are currently going through it. And if we could, we'd figure out a way to stop it, but I don't know if we're the right people. So we would like to send positive T's and P's to everybody that's going through it. And it's clear as smoke. Yeah, clear as smoke. Someone build like a giant fan.

And then let's just blow all the smoke away. They have those in some places. Mexico City. I'm very flustered about how prevalent that smoke was in India yesterday. It was scary. Why don't you get your football team to fucking change the weather and get the smoke out of here? Yeah.

Patriots. Oh, a third time to EJ. You know, I think that only works north of Connecticut, unfortunately. But I'm sure if Hersey decided to put more than 50 bucks into his team, then maybe he could build one and put it on top of the soil. We've paid people at every single position. No, we've paid people at every single position. Well, that's how business works.

Yeah. That's right. Remember when Bruce said, well, Vikings did business. So they ran a business. You know, they had a product. They sold it. People bought it. Then they used that money to pay off a business. You know, they had a product. They sold it. People bought it. Then they used that money to pay off the loan.

So technically, ipso facto, the people that used the money. So basically, they paid for it. They paid it off. Like, it wasn't actually the Vikings. You should have heard what he said today about the live merger. Go ahead, Abby. I don't remember what he said, but I assume it was like, so basically, now the DP World Tour

is involved as well so that's actually awesome there's a lot of great golfers on DP World Tour who? that's what we said name two Bruce I can't he read it though

I do know it's a big deal for them hey let's look out for the horses, too. A previous Bruce fact. You know what I mean? There's a lot of smoke in the air right now. That's what Bruce is worried about. And they just moved. They shut down Churchill Downs and moved those horses to Ellis Park, which is closer to here.

Where's Ellis Park? That's in Kentucky? That's because they're not worried about the smoke. It's moving closer to the smoke. They're worried about the needles in the gun. The smoke's a problem. You need to look outside. If you don't see it,

we need to worry about you. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to have, I'll take a good look around. I've been outside a bunch lately. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. This guy can't see the fucking smoke.

This guy should not be driving. Right? He falls asleep while driving. He drives at two feet. And also, he cannot see the smoke that is clearly in front of his face. Good point.

What else can he see if he can't see that? Jeez Louise. You are a threat to society, AJ. We had like 20 kids over, had a boys and girls basketball practice at our house last night and everyone was, they were flying around.

The kids were moving. You look so good. What do you have, a facility? Five courts? We got a court and so here we go. Boys are going at 515. Girls are going at 615. Let's do it.

That's amazing. You don't have to leave anywhere. That is awesome. Well, we still do. Still had to go to a game after that. We had to buy 100 fans to get the smoke out. That's why no one did. Did you get orange slices?

Yeah. No. Maybe next time. What is the water system? Do you have the hose things? Yeah, we have a hose you can get a sip out of. Kids bring water bottles everywhere now. Oh yeah, because of COVID.

Yeah. I think it's just natural. They bring them to school. They're big into the hydro flask. Kids are into all the different devices. Kids are smarter than I ever was, I guess. You think because of the cigar smoke from his face all the time,

he just thinks that's what the world is? Is Columbus smoking a cigar? What the hell? It's about time. Valid question, Joe. I've been saying this city needs to smoke a cigar for a while. Let's get to a break. Hour three will obviously be a wrap-up of all the news stories

happening around the world, including a couple big ones that are shattering the golf world. A lot of opinions. Let's look into how the world's reacting to this. Has more information. And we'll roll through some tweets from some people in the world. Scott Van Pelt plugged. Oh yeah, that was awesome.

And he gave us a lot of information. Nobody knew shit. What's Brando Chambly saying? Anyone know anything? Sorry to cut you off. I think they're still awaiting comment. Brooks was hoping for a health check on him. I saw that. Welfare check on Chambly. Yeah, because they've gotten into it a little bit, right? Because Kepka feels as if he has

a set of sights, Chambly, whatever, a set of sights on Kepka. So Kepka's team, too, is like, hey, fuck this guy. And then now, all of a sudden, oh, how the tables turn. That's a good tweet. Great tweet. T's and P's to Will Zaltor wherever he is. And then now all of a sudden, oh, how the tables turn. That's a good tweet. Also, great tweet.

T's and P's to Will Zaltoros wherever he is. Just want to hammer that home. So we got a feeling that Will Zaltoros is going to be able to win a couple hundred million dollars golfing now. Fine. Because with the amount of money that's going to be injected into the golf world, we assume that all these golfers that are superstars and help us through our weekends and our tag team partners to naps on the couch on a Saturday and a Sunday and then

kind of get us through summer and these big moments with incredible athleticism and everything like that. We assume there's going to be more money in there, injected in there. Let's go. So Will's going to win $200-$300 million. So the $130 million that was guaranteed to him. You're going to win more. Yeah, he's going to win more.

I just don't think that's the case. Wow. Another company will give it to him. Hey, you're a good guy. We're going to give you $130 million. That's how it works, too. That'd be perfect. You're a good guy.

Jeez Louise. Tough day. It's all right. He'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Will's a dog. I hope. He was loyal, though, wasn't he? That's what they'll say.

He's a loyal dog. When Will's time has come and gone in the golf game and they're talking about what Will has accomplished, they will say this fucking guy was loyal to the PGA more than any of the others. The others might have been bigger names. The others might have

spoke out a little bit more. This guy, though, with what he had won, what his projected earnings were, and what they offered to guarantee him to play less golf in a state of which he was kind of growing in popularity, he said absolutely not. What a shoe. For the good of the PGA. I love the PGA.

That's what they'll say about him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and they'll also say the car he was driving and all that would have been much more fun if he had $150 million. People are saying that about us, too. That we're rocking off of numbers. You know? It's a big pay cut. Yeah, that's right.

Let's get to a break. Lou Holtz Foundation has tweeted. Classic. Lex, you'll tell us that USA's joining the Big Ten. The world's crazy, Lou. Yeah. We thank you, coach. Love you, coach.

Love you, Lou. Ian Rappaport on the program thus far. He gave us some news about the gambling situation happening in Indianapolis, about the D-hop situation, and everything else going on around the NFL. He is now live on NFL Plus, and nobody is watching. That's right. Right? Maybe you guys are, right?

Are you guys watching? We got our eyes on it. Obviously, Erbo's in there watching to see if anything happens, and that is something we need. Scott Van Pelt joined us in the first hour to break down. Obviously, he has a deep connection with the golf world. This whole Live PGA merger that seemingly has come out of nowhere for all parties. In that vein of conversation, we would like to say that Victor Hovland will not be on the show tomorrow.

What? This is one of the first times. And remember, this happens to us He didn't go to live he stayed Well that of course would be a topic Of conversation that we would like to chat about With him and you know we wouldn't press too hard Because he's a human he's got to do what he thinks is right

At all times and all that And I don't think any of us would expect him To be the first interview immediately following This merger that came out of nowhere And us being the show that is doing it right and that whole thing but this is yet another time where we have marketed something and it just does not work yeah it's almost a curse it is yeah i would say the nfo draft spectacular is kind of like the only thing in our show's history that we have marketed and promoted as happening and then

actually happens. That's 100% us. You're right. Everything else is we promote something and then it always falls through the cracks. I knew it. As soon as I said, Dirty, make the graphic. We got the memorial chomp coming on the

show Wednesday. That's a big deal. Especially with how he performed. And caddying for his buddy. This guy seems like a great guy. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, New York, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and South Florida. That's where the press release was being

quoted from. New York, Riyadh, South Florida. We're tag team partners all of a sudden. And now everybody is left with massive question marks. Riyadh, South Florida. We're talking about ourselves. And now everybody is left with massive question marks. I don't know how many Zoom calls they're going to have to have. I don't know how many group conference calls they're going to have to have. But it seems like there's a lot of people

that are going to have to be put into the loop of what's going on because the questions are going to be in abundance. So I am bummed that we do not have Victor Hovland on tomorrow. But we also very much understand why we don't have Victor Hovland on tomorrow. And whoever is the first person to speak, I'm excited to hear about the information of this entire deal that kind of took the world by storm, AJ.

It did. Okay, I'm curious. What's going to happen with the old Champions Tour, the one that you're going to go on and win the event? Let's not get crazy. Now that there's two tours combining into one tour, three tours going into one tour, I think there's a change. I've tour, three tours going into one tour,

I think there's a chance. I've been up in this sim, AJ. Dialed in. AJ, I've been in full swing sim up there. Swing looks good, man. Swing looks good. I want to tell you, John Rahm having success, and Finau having success,

and Michael Block having that weekend that we all got to watch. That weekend. It's great. He would beat you by 50 strokes you got at least not not way more than that but but watching them watch tony raw or tony fino take that thing back like half swing every time and watching rom do it every single time and then block hit like that low dart every single like every single shot he was like yeah i'm just gonna hit this shot this is this is what my shot is it's a good shot if i could drive the ball far this particular shot could lead me to a lot of championships that

could equate a 500 million dollar offer from saudi arabia or more probably yeah if i had to guess in so many words so now i've taken kind of their inspiration and kind of put it into one. I just need to hit my fucking shot. And if this thing is just like a third swing and I'm hitting it solid, who cares? Who cares, AJ? Who cares? Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what it looks like. Yeah, all that matters is the score. You know that.

So solid ball contact is the only thing that matters right now in my mind. I'm stepping over the ball. I'm making solid contact with this thing. That is all I care about. Let the club do the work. Boom. Boom. Last room for error. Boom. And the simulator is exactly like

the real course. Shouldn't be a problem. Just naturally picking up from this perfect lot. Taking it into a course. Perfect. I don't know if it's going to be the same. The rough is a little higher. No. No. Because you'll be in the fairway every time. No. You hit it straight.

You don't got to worry about that. 100% fairways in regs. How about that? You got sand up there? No, we don't worry about the sand. We don't need it. You're going to have a lot of gers, too. You're saying I don't know the distances to get to a green?

Please. I'm not even thinking about that, Santa. Santa's not even there. Now, furs and gers, baby. Boom. Why bring a bathing suit when you're not going to the beach? I'm back, man. Boom.

That's how I had one in the back pocket. I don't need one. That was smart. Anyways, you're right, though. What does happen to the champion store? Probably more money. I saw them on the they were on the golf channel so i actually i actually was watching the golf channel early on sunday i think because they had the memorial before like an hour before cbs or whoever else

had it let's figure that the fuck out by the way but anyways i have it i'm watching on the golf channel then uh wife and i gotta do something with baby probably you know take outside do a little hey how you doing maybe a clean of the diaper then i tuned back in golf happening golf happening we go couple i watched like two holes almost like man i don't know any of these fucking guys and then i'm like oh this is the champion store they had a like i think a million dollar prize i think they had a pretty big prize tournament happening that I was watching at the same exact time the Memorial won. I promptly went to the Memorial, but it was very much on TV with a big prize happening.

I assume that's going to grow as well. More golf content, the better, I'd assume. It should, right? I mean, the Champions Tour is part of the PGA Tour, correct? They're not their own entity, are they? I think so. I think it's all together. I think so, too.

I think. Of course, and they should get paid more and obviously all these these current players right now once they turn 50 they can jump on that tour hopefully those hopefully they can make those events even bigger because i know bernhard langer wins two out of three it seems like 620 billion dollars is the fund that is being run by the person that is making the decisions financially for saudi Saudi Arabia in sports. That involves their soccer league and obviously their golf league.

Who knows what else they're going to get involved in? I'm not sure. They're building a ski resort in the middle of the desert. Pretty cool. They got a lot going on. A lot going on. A lot of money over there. I would assume it'd be good for the sport.

Why are they doing this? Why are they doing all this? I don't know. I try to piece that together too because there's a lot of countries right to have a lot of money that could potentially try to do something and get into the western world yeah pretty much i don't know man i don't fully understand now everybody's obviously saying it's because they want the world to remember them as this as opposed to the heinous things that have happened in the past and i don't know if anybody will ever forget the heinous shit that's happened in the past

i think everybody especially after the announcement of Liv, and the announcement of what their soccer leagues are doing, are being told more and more about what has happened in Saudi Arabia. I don't think I knew as much of what was going on in Saudi Arabia since the Liv thing happened, where I learned more and more and more about the place. So I think a lot of people would say they're doing it for that.

If that's the case, they're doing this all to cover up like hundreds of years worth of shit that's a wild move and why wouldn't other people want to do it as well there has to be some sort of reasoning you know you would think well you can't just cover it up like the other thing is you don't get 620 billion by not doing good

business and sports is good business yeah it also could be like what if they do you see this as like yeah so this is happening in a lot of places. And I don't like to get on my high horse, but we have experienced this with some of the companies that we've worked with. There are these investment firms and venture capitalists and all this shit you hear about. Black Rock is like the biggest one. There is so many of those where all these rich folks kind of just put their money into a fund, a slush fund,

and then there's super smart people that are deciding where that money's going. And we're talking like billions and billions of dollars, and then, oh, I'm going to put some money in this fund as well. And then there's a family fund, which is just that family's money that is being run by really smart people. So all these people know that they have money that is going to last forever, and they're like, fuck it, let's just put this here, put this here. They meet somebody who's an investor who's good, has a good track record.

Boom, I'll give you $5 billion to invest. Go ahead and do what you got to do. They're not scared to lose billions of dollars early. Like, not scared at all to just dump money into something. Hundreds of millions of dollars into companies that you think to yourself, how is that company worth hundreds of millions of dollars? It's like, well, if they put a couple billion into this thing there's a chance that this could be worth 10 billion or and even more on the back end so like i understand that

what they're spending financially makes no sense at all but long term what are they thinking how many billions they could potentially make off of everything i would assume that that is in the forefront of the conversation for them, but everybody else is just thinking it's to cover up shit. Have they ever said why they want to do all this? Do they do interviews? Has there been an interview? Other people have told us why.

But yeah, have they done interviews though and talked about it at all? That's what I've heard. That's what I just assumed it was to westernize their culture and look at what Dubai has been. Obviously, a lot of the stuff out there is very expensive. They're building that floating city, essentially, and all this different stuff. I wonder if they want to bring some tourism in.

Obviously, in order to do that, you need to change your image a little bit from what it has been in the past. Dubai, no taxes. I just learned that. That is true. Did you hear about that, AJ? No taxes in Dubai? That's what I've heard. I don't know because I see – No booze either, right?

I think there's no booze in a lot of places. I don't think there's no vitamins either. No vitamins. A lot of people I know go over there like they're in Dubai, super pumped. I'm like former teammates and shit. I'm like, cool. You guys went shopping over there? That's it. Did we smoke? No, we didn't. I'm like, former teammates and shit. I'm like, cool. You guys went shopping over there?

That's it. Did we smoke? No, we smoked. I thought so. 56 nights. Yeah, you actually get your hands whipped. Flogged. 56 nights.

Remember I told you that story? That's how Future came up with 56 nights. DJ Eskimo was smoking, got caught with a weed pen. They told him, hey, you can show us a picture of you on the internet saying that you're famous. We'll let you go. Didn't have a picture at the time. Ended up doing 56 Nights.

That's why Future called the CD cover 56 Nights. Ended up getting a lawyer to get him out. This was Dubai? Yeah. Wow. 56 Nights for a vape pen. Yes. That's a big deal.

So what is everybody doing over there? It seems awesome. You can't drink. Yeah, there's alcohol. So you can party over there. A lot of people party. So what is everybody doing over there? It seems awesome. You can't drink. Yeah, there's alcohol. So you can party over there. A lot of people party. And everything is just like first class. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. But there's a chance you accidentally fuck around and smoke 56 nights. A lot of people going on camel rides in the desert and dune buggies and shit like that. And then obviously, yeah, all the hotels are like five star. I seen a guy this weekend on the internet. He drove his Rolls Royce to the gym. He had a Rolls Royce. That's sweet.

He put his key on the hood of the Rolls Royce. I see it's going to be here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I seen it. It was daylight. Yeah. One in.

Sure, how safe it is, right? Worked out. Yeah, came back out. There's people literally standing like 10 feet away. How you guys doing? Thank you. He picks up his Rolls Royce key, gets back in his car car drives off where there's like a highway right next to it it's like so that could certainly be manipulated yeah sure certainly is a video that could be manipulated and

you know there's ways to do do that but the fact that that's a thing like hey just want to let you know no taxes over here leave your keys doing this can't smoke smoke dope. Don't even think about smoking any wacky grass. Although, it does sound as though there are some sort of exemptions. Because if he did have a photo, then you just keep going. So now everybody needs to make fake internet sites about themselves being famous. Call AI. Call AI. Hey, I'm going to look famous.

I'm going to be on I'm going to a reality show Saskatoon you'll be a DJ performing in front of a million people some kind of nights anyways let's get back to some sports talk on the 5RNG phone line let's go to Jack in Texas Jack what's going on pal on the 5RNG phone line

Pat boys how you doing good start Jack hey real quick. I want to give a shout out to you, Pat, and the rest of the boys. What y'all have done to Plum High School with all the support, the money, and the shout outs on the show.

Completely turned it around. Hey, let's go Mustangs. Hell yeah. We're all Mustangs here, dude. Hey, we're getting some merch. I want to let you know, Jack, we're getting some merch. Okay, sick. We're getting some merch. We're going to get some World Mustangs here merch, too.

So, Jack, from what it sounds like, your whole family knows that through and through from your entire life. How'd you end up in Texas? My family moved down here after they all graduated, so I had to follow them. Real quick, my question was for Tone.

Antonio Brown, whenever he was drafted in the league, went behind and Mike Wallet. How long do you think it will be for George Pickens to turn into an all-pro superstar behind Deontay Johnson? Thank you for the call, Jack.

I didn't hear the beginning of it. He's talking about others that have had other wide receivers in the room with him. Oh, A.B. was behind Mike Wallace and Manny Sanders. Yeah, now George Pickens. How great is he going to be behind Deontay and Allen Robinson? People forget. GP is already a fucking stud, okay? I mean, you guys didn't even have hot runs last year.

I think he kind of showed that last year. Yeah, he's here. He was pissed that he was not in the Pro Bowl last year. So, I think. When did he get drafted? Obviously, we remember. Second round. Second round.

He was certainly supposed to be a first-rounder, we'd all assume. Oh, yeah. He was hurt. Remember all the camp clips of him making crazy catches every day? Well, then Caboli said, yeah, it would be more of a surprise if George Pickens didn't make a play. Yeah. That makes you go, wow, what a play.

And if he did make a play, it makes you go, wow, what a play. Yep. That's just kind of now common routine for George Pickens. So other guys that have been surprising, because I think you asked him, who has been surprising at camp? And that was his answer about a rookie who was drafted in the second round he was like so that is already not surprising anymore it was almost like immediately upon george pickens getting there he became a guy and in caboli's eyes he was like yeah this way he's already arrived yeah he had a sub in his in his khaki cargo pocket while watching George Pickens make a play.

I'll give you more information, but Steelers keep giving me a run around. He blew out both of his fucking Achilles. Nursing two Achilles tendons. This guy covered the Pittsburgh Steelers, blew both of his Achilles. They got clipped off. How is he doing with rehab? He's rehab. What do you mean?

Rehab did him, pal yeah he is all the way back he's running in the pittsburgh marathon i think he's gonna sit down no way he's gonna sit down does he really i believe i saw that come on we know what's gonna happen are they gonna do close-up shot on him close-up shot on jj or tj and then side profile as well. We need, I need Caboli processing answers and thinking of questions. In real time. Yes. You guys thinking he's not going to get the run around right before this interview is ridiculous. Can we please call

him? There's no chance. We're calling Mark Caboli, Pittsburgh Steelers writer for The Athletic. He's been covering the Steelers 27 years. Loves a good Rudy sub. Especially after a long day of training camp with it in his cargo shorts. I'm a human microwave.

Good dude. Loves a good ride as well. He will hop on the back of a golf cart. Destroys Best Western toilets. So bad. What am I supposed to do? You know, the owners are staying at this real nice place. I'm going to the Best Western and go to the toilet, bro.

You sound like him, honestly. He sounds like a thousand people. He sounds like Pittsburgh. He sounds like every – he didn't answer. Damn it. All right, let's move along. Patrick Holmes and Travis Kelsey had an epic moment at the White House. And when you start knowing the White House trip as a Super Bowl champion enough

to know that a situation is about to pop up and not miss it in the epic fashion in which Travis Kelsey did yesterday, you know your team is on a dynastic run. Travis Kelsey continues to be one of the most epic humans to ever exist. And yesterday is the most recent example at the White House. Yeah, stay over there. Stay there. So I've been waiting for this.

That is epic. Pat's response to him nailing it, telling the president, yeah, yeah, yeah. What a moment. Travis, fucking love you. Way to go, Travis. I love that, AJ. I genuinely do.

That's a good moment. A lot of people can miss that moment. A lot of people can miss that. Oh, absolutely. I think it's cool to see. Hopefully, we enjoy watching these two together now because there will be something down the road when you watch it. Man, how awesome was that when my homes and Kelsey were rolling together?

Like that's yeah. I'm going to enjoy it. It's fun to watch these guys. What to do. Obviously they're taking on Steph and Clay in the match. So we'll see them on a golf course battle here in a couple of weeks. I do believe. But I, I, I, Travis Kelsey is never going to stop. No, no, no. He's just going to play forever, you think? Crushing. Why is he unguardable? I'm saying he's a wide receiver playing tight end. And he's big as hell, bro.

It's hard to guard him. You can't guard him one-on-one. You get boxed out. And he got a quarterback that can throw the ball like a missile. So if he can get a little space, he open. And then allegedly he doesn't run the yeah he's just so smart yeah so like left oh

looks like that's a little inside leverage on that particular linebacker right there why would i run there hey uh pat i am yep and then just different route. Yeah, he's crooning. He's crooning on it. They're going to steal his decals, and he's just open. Yeah, exactly. So, like, a defense can be the smartest defense and be the most prepared defense. Hey, when they end up in this set,

and Travis is standing like this at this particular spot of the field, they're running this, and then Travis and Patrick go, oh, you watch film? I like that. Me too. Yeah, and that's what Cam Newton did to Clay Matthews, I do believe. It's an

unguardable, seemingly tag team that not only are great on the field, love each other off the field, and that moment the White House was famous. Top tier. Hopefully the next one's even better. Maybe they've switched roles and Mahomes goes out to the podium. Could you imagine Joe falling right there, though?

All right. He wasn't on a bicycle. Well, Travis can't. Nah, well, don't make me go by. I'm falling right there. Travis kind of pushed him. Kelsey kind of pushed him. Yeah, yeah, stay right there.

Boom. This is good for you, chest and a balance. Now, I don't follow that world enough. Seems like that guy's on the ground more than we need him on the ground. Yeah, decent amount, but that's why. He does. guy's on the ground more than we need him on the ground. Yeah, a decent amount, but that's why. It does. It's a long way. Seems like that guy's on the ground.

The president, obviously. Sorry. Stay up. I'm just talking about in the most layman's of terms. Like, hey, what are we doing, you know? What are we doing? But from what they say, and that's why, like, the I fell and I can't get up button exists. Yep.

Like, this is a real thing that happens to humans as they get older. One step away from breaking hip. That's the problem. You know what everybody thinks. Oh, yeah. They're teaching you how to fall now. They got a whole thing. They teach you how to fall now.

You think Joe Biden's taking the same jujitsu course that Tua, Tom Lowe's taking? Should be. And is that the same one that Zuckerberg's taking? Well, he got choked out. No, he did not. Tony, you son of a bitch. Do not say that, especially the day after a $3,500 competition has come into the virtual reality market.

Zuck had that thing on lock. I heard he got choked out. And then Apple said, nah. And then that comes one day after, allegedly, he was snoring because he was breathing so hard because of how intense he was. He wasn't actually asleep, Reb. Yeah. Jeez Louise. He's going to get sued.

Meta had to say that. Publicly traded company had to come out and say, excuse me, our leader, our founder, he was so fucking intensely breathing because of how focused he was that your refs think he was asleep. He was wide awake. That's right. I'm sick of everybody lying about how Zuck's doing in these things. I know. He wins, he loses, then he wins asleep. He was wide awake. That's right. I'm sick of everybody lying about how Zuck's doing in these things. He wins,

he loses, then he wins again. Why can't we get a straight answer? Gold medal as a Gion. He looked like he out right there with me. No, he's not. That's a win. If Zuck has you like that, you're fucked. This dude does the Murph in 15

minutes. To be honest, he kind of sounds like someone who didn't play any sports growing up, and now he is kind of the fucking worst. Jeez. Tony. Why is this story coming out? Huh? Why is the spokesman? I didn't see that.

The spokesman had to come out and say he was not unconscious. Yeah. Well, they actually saw the stock take a dip when they found out that the leader could get tapped out. Tim Apple, when that had done, that whole meta situation, didn't that already crash and burn? No. Some of it did. You know, the meta hurts. Not meta.

Right. You got to set the record straight. They just wanted everybody. Like, last time Zuck had to say it. This time, we're going to take a stand for our game. We had a witness in the stands. We are so sick of this. He wasn't snoring.

Come on. What if he gets a UFC fight? What if Dana gets him? What if it's Dana Zuck? I'm praying for Dana. Because Zuck is a freak. He's a man possessed. If I'm Dana, I'm going, we're wearing the geese.

Because I think Zuck without a gee is even more dangerous. That's a gold medal. Exactly. He's slippery. He knows how to use every part of the body. He gets in there. He would. I can see it.

He wouldn't grease, you know, because that would be cheating. Sure. And they say people do that in some of those events. Sunscreen, though. He could put on a lot of that suntan lotion. Yeah, especially because of what he did on that lake when he was wakeboarding or whatever. Oh, yeah. And he had that big, old sunscreen right there on his nose.

He was so smart. The zinc? What's the weight? 210? 220? 280. He's fucking stacked. Between the legs?

He wears his flip-flops all the time. They're weighted flip-flops, though, for bigger cats. That's what I'm talking about. That's safety and athleticism. Right. All in one. He was not getting sunburned on that particular day on his race. Ooh.

His legs and feet might be fucked, but my face ain't doing nothing. Why does he got a penis on his head? It seems like he's doing white face. Yeah, it worked out great because he had a miming gig right afterwards. Where's his life jacket? That is something. That is something. I don't like it.

He wasn't using one. We need you out here, pal. He knows he's not falling off the board. Is this a real surf on or a fake surf on? That's one of those ones that are power at the bottom. Yeah, that's what's in the hand. Hydro foil, right? Yeah, there it is.

Those things are wild to watch. When they come buzzing by on the lake, I think to myself, you can't fall. You have to go all the way until you're back, right? Because that thing has to go, go, go, go, go. I've seen one guy fall middle. How do you get back up? What do you do here? He had to do a pretty good swim.

I think he caught on to one and stood and then was back off. But those things are pretty crazy. You've been patrolled? I haven't been out there, to be honest with you. You've got to patrol the water. Who knows what's going on out there? Especially where are those fucking otters doing down there in the little bay? That's a good question.

That is a good question. They're mischievous as well. The old house? Huh? The old house, you mean? Where the otters are? No, I got... Kaboli has responded.

Kaboli has responded. Thought it was spam in that. Okay. I don't know if that's for the sandwich in the pocket the human microwave or if it was for the actual spam or was it for his side by side interview with TJ Walk coming up or when we called him and he thought it was spam

we were spamming call him again he was munching on spam Hawaiian delicacy you guys like spam? I don't think I've had it enough to really give a judgment I eat so much chip tam at the house that's in Pittsburgh Hawaiian Delgacy. Yeah. You guys like Spam? I don't think I've had it enough to really give a judgment. I eat so much chip tam at the house.

Yeah, Isley's Chip Tam. That's in Pittsburgh, so Spam didn't come into our world. You like it? No. But I know people that do. I was surprised when I met a lot of people that do. Yeah, this guy's like, the paupers. The paupers like Spam.

I'm over-touching that again. We got the boys' basketball practice at the house. Full court. Paupers. Oh, you mean what Ian, you said Ian called people. Yes. I love her touching that again. We got the boys' basketball practice at the house. Full court. Poppers. Oh, you mean what Ian called people. Yes. And now what you call people. Now what you do with the spam takers. Yeah.

What is it? Just ham. It looks like shit. But it's just how it's packaged is what's weird to me. It's two times we've had a just delayed conversation from Mark Caboli, and he's given us a runaround completely. He's given us a runaround. Let's talk about something going on in the NFL that we are incredibly impressed by.

Russell Okun has lost all of the weight by only drinking water for 40 straight days. Wow. That is a real deal. That is the Russell Fast. I do believe he is promoting it. He has gotten into this. I don't know how he found the water fast, but he has. He looks incredible. And to

Pac-Man's point, the amount of discipline that this takes every single day to only consume one thing, that one thing being a flavorless liquid that everybody has to drink every single day is insane. Congrats to him seemingly finding happiness and health through only drinking water

for a month or 40 days. He's doing it again. How much more weight is he going to lose? He might wither away. He might be the next Chris Angel. David Copperfield. Disappearing act. We do not want that at all, AJ.

He looks like a completely different human on these sides. That's him right now on the right, and he's going to do this again. Yeah. Why? I mean, what does he want to get down to? So no protein in the water and nothing? No, he said just water. And he said what he found in there was like a journey to like happiness and empowerment and enlightenment and everything like that.

And I think he said that some of his swelling in his joints went anti-inflammatory. Like he said everything about him physically and mentally seemingly got better, and he wants everybody else to either go on the journey with him or if they want to, to experience it with him, and he's promoting it again, but he lost so much weight out there. Yeah, mentally makes sense because I believe his last contract he took in Bitcoin.

Yes, he did. Oh, no. He was probably reeling a little bit and needed to find something. Imagine how smart everybody was considered whenever they did that. Oh, yeah. It's the future. No, it's not. He cut back on food, and now he's probably doing okay.

Bro, how about Bitcoin just... I mean, it still exists. It does. And it has made a little. And it will at some point, right? Of course. It came back a little, but it's never going back there. $26,000?

Remember when it started, it was like $600,000 or $600,000. What when it started it was like six hines or zero hines. What about Buddy? Is old Buddy in jail? The guy in the Bahamas down there? They're all banging each other? Sam Bang. Yeah, what happened? He kind of disappeared from the conversation. There's a lot of stuff disappearing from the conversation. What do you mean? Like what? What else? I don't know. Some things make it on my timeline that are a bit alarming. A bit alarming.

Disappearing right now. Let's go to the fence. Let's go to Mike in Ontario, Canada. Good luck out there in Canada. What do you got going on, pal? Hey, how's it going, boys? Keep it going, boys. I just wanted to say

Canada's doing okay right now, Ontario. I can't even open my window right now without smoke pouring through. Okay. Is that the basis of the fires? Ontario is a part of that? Where are the fires? So we know as people that don't understand the provinces, you should probably give some cardinal directions as well.

So where I am, we're probably about 500 kilometers from the fire, but we're getting smoked quite a bit. Okay. And where's that? That's above Michigan? Yeah. Yeah. And then how far west, left does the fires go?

Well, there's fires in PC right now, so we're sort of meeting the middle with all the smoke. PC, Seattle? It seems like. Washington? Yep. So there's fires in Washington to Michigan? Right. How does this happen? What happened yeah we're we're

pretty much covered in smoke right now holy shit how do they stop that that seems like very big have you heard about tactics to stop this entire thing i don't know okay that's sometimes they burn certain areas like controlled burns to keep get it to stop. I don't know. How did this all kick off? Yeah. What started it all? Do you know? Have you guys been told, Mike?

No. Probably some dummy to get thrown a smoke in a fucking forest. Really? Of course. You know, somebody doing something stupid, and that's all it takes when it's dry there. Come on, Gump. And then, you know, only you can prevent forest fires. There you go.

One thing goes to the next one. Smokey the Bear over here. Boom. You guys have Smokey the Bear up there, eh? I think so, yeah. Yeah, no, we do. Oh, hey, he's a good light up there. Smokey the Paul.

What do you want? Stay safe, everybody up there. Look out for the fires. Yeah, good luck. So, got a quick question for you guys about the PGA Live merger. If they were to put on a match, say, four-on-four Live golfers versus PGA

golfers, no points involved, who do you guys think would win? Great question. Do you think that's even a possibility? Well, great question. I think you got some real dogs on the Live team. PGA, too. Yeah, I think it'd be fun to watch scooch sheffler top 10 20 straight yeah i mean him and rom and then you got speed jt though and then what just

rory off the t for the 370 yeah that might be a blow yeah you think yeah i think pga i don't they're blowing out live you think so yeah i mean live I mean, Liv is at this point is Brooks and DJ and then just Calm. And then who? But even. Calm. He has not been playing with John. So it's really just. Yeah, what has been up with Calm's John?

I don't know. It has not been our John. Yeah, Calm kind of lost his John. Yeah, and it was like when Shakira had her John in the fridge. Yeah, exactly. Kind of lost the John. Lost the John. No John.

You're saying PGA blows out Liv? Yeah, exactly. Kind of lost the Jom. Lost the Jom. No Jom. You're saying PGA blows out Liv? Yeah, I think so. As of right now, if they were to play this weekend. Yeah, way deeper. Yeah, but just top four. Yeah, just top four. Yeah, but I'm saying you have a bigger field to choose from. Like Liv, you're like, okay, we know the four you're probably going to have to take. PGA, you're going to have to like,

figure it out a little bit. There might be some argument. Yeah, but Kahn might find his Jom again. He could find his Jom. If that's the case, then maybe there's a little crowd. But R be some argument. Yeah, but Khan might find his job again. If that's the case, then now we're talking about a job. Rory could find his job again as well. That was a shame what happened to Rory. A lot of pressure off of Rory's job. Well, Rory also, people were saying, was like the captain

of this whole thing, and then one of the elevated events, I think he missed because he was kind of stressed out mentally. I wonder if he knew this was coming. Is he the only one that was kind of told, like, hey, you took a really heavy stand. He turned down $500 million. Okay? We appreciate the hell out of you.

With that being said, that $500 million just got added into our thing. Yeah, you should have taken it. Fuck off. Sorry. You're going to be really wrong in a couple weeks. What do you do? Not golf anymore?

There goes all your sponsorships. Idiot. Damn. That kind of sucks. $500 million and on a Sunday, we all have to sit here and judge. Is he going to be able to finish for a couple million dollars? Is he going to be able to do it?

He wasn't because golf is an unforgiving game and there's a chance that maybe you hit two balls this far off and it changes the course of an entire day. That can happen. So that's why when you're getting guaranteed $500 million, that is not an easy decision to make whenever you're talking about being a human

that has to live and have generational wealth forever. Not that he doesn't. His family isn't rich and he's made a lot of money, but that's a lot of money. And what does Scott Van Pelt? Jeff Bezos is bending over for $500 million. I mean, he's the richest guy on earth. That's a lot of fucking money that's the thing is like feel bad for zal torres absolutely but 150 million dollars is a lot of money 650 million dollars is a lot more

fucking yeah is that what it was well 500 if he's made 150 careers so far. Like, $500 million is so much fucking money. Just guaranteed one person, two golf. Yes. Not a team, not a building, not a business. Just you. Just you, your swing coach. Less commitment, too. Less commitment than you had before, too.

Now you're just waking up this morning probably finding out the deal when you're turning on the TV. Hey, you're good, Rory. You're rich, though. We stand for the cause. Hey, you're good, Rory. You're rich. They'll say when Rory's done. Exactly. He's loyal. That one there, that Irishman?

Yep. He's a loyal dog. Salty dog. He was like openly loyal. Fuck them. They suck. Rory. That's right.

He's more loyal than the actual PGA. Very much so. That's right. He's more loyal than the actual PGA. He's very much so. That's right. He's more loyal to the PGA than the actual PGA. He's more dumb. He went on to win a couple more majors too. He would. Hopefully. And his legacy would live on forever. As one of the greats. Not like Brooks is, but

it'll still live on. Brooks is one of the first to take a couple hundred million dollars to play less golf or another place. Yes. Holy shit, dude. The more and more I think about it, the more and more, like, It's crazy. Will, Tiger, Rory, I assume Scootie, Sheffler got offered some.

Yeah, any of those guys. Oh, yeah. Can I go back and ask? Hey, is, like, any of that big chunk of cash still available? So we were thinking. I'll sign that contract. You know, I'll let the PGA kind of be, like, the armature, and then, like, once we're a big chunk of cash still available? I'll sign that contract. I'll let the PGA be the armature. Once we're a pro, we play for you guys.

We got the combined events later. What do you think? Mike calls a strike. I want to be an ace. Legit. Mike calls a strike. This would be the time. This is more than like, I can't believe this. Hey guys, we got to have a meet. This would be the time, Pat.

There's a lot. You know how the time, Pat. Yeah. Yep. There's a lot. You know how much money is available? Yeah. You know how much money? U.S. Open is like next week, right? Yeah, next week. It's not a PGA event, though.

I never want to call for people to say, I don't want to work anymore. And golfers get paid a lot of money in comparison to humans that have actual jobs. So us saying like, they got a strike, they're not happy. We're not saying like they're not living much better than people that have real jobs. So us saying like, they got a strike, they're not happy. We're not saying like, they're not living much better than people that have real jobs in the real world. What we are saying though is, from a business perspective, they are currently sitting in a position of

very pissed to we got fucked. We got fucked. And this would be a good time to potentially correct all that. Now, was that already understood by Jay Monahan and Rumi on? Yes. Prince Al Rumer.

I don't know if it's Prince. He's the right-handed man. Al Fariq, maybe? Was that already talked? Like, hey, the players, we assume the next step. Yassir. What's that? Yassir.

Yassir Rumi on? Yassir Al Rumi on. There it is. Yassir Al What's that? Yassir. Yassir Rumion? Yassir Al Rumion. There it is. Yassir Al Rumion. So I would assume they knew the players were going to be pissed. Had to. Of course. Yes.

So that was probably a part of it. All the guys that we made deals with, we'll just probably have to pay them that again. Mm-hmm. Right? You would assume so. That's very naive of us because this deal got done seemingly overnight with nobody knowing about it. Yeah, they're saying two months, but they still don't know what's going on, and they're kind of just scrambling to pick up the pieces

and decide what the hell's going to happen as we move forward. Now, to be clear, I don't want to poke fun at that. There's been a lot of deals that have been done, announced done, and then there's a lot of things still to piece together. Well, and they still have the rest of the seasons. They already said they're going to finish both seasons separately. Is he going to be guest of honor at one of the PGA events? You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. Let me come get a little eyes on your product, you know, if we're going to be a joint venture here. Maybe some music. Change this, change that. Maybe shorts here on these guys, right? Yeah, Liv had shorts. They had teams.

They had music. Shotgun stars. Are they going to implement some of that? Are they going to say, hey, if we're consulting for information, we got a lot of them. We got new stats and analytics. We'll tell you, CW,

not the best place to take golf. Yeah, we would say no to that. Shotgun start, however. We'll also tell you, what you guys are doing in Arizona, what we did in Australia, you get a par three, turn that place into a party.

Good deal. Yeah. That was smart. Liv only plays place into a party. Good deal. Yeah. That was smart. Liv only plays 54 holes, too. No cut. Yeah, that's L-I-V in Roman numerals. Let's talk about Jay Monahan. He's speaking to the media at 5 o'clock today.

Oh. Jay Monahan, the president of the PGA, I do believe, the man that was at the center of the negotiation with the Liv Golf Tour and also the man who said a lot of very very very harsh things about live and everything that live stands for who has now made a deal with live to combine the two forces to become one major golf league and tour is going to be speaking at five o'clock more obviously a lot of answers were not given on cnbc was announced? No. When both Jay and Yassir Al-Rumian were side-by-side announcing it? Like what happens with a lot of the players in the offers that they were given? And how did the players receive this information

whenever they heard about it for the first time this morning on their phones? Lots to answer from Jay. I wonder what he will answer, what he won't answer, and how this whole thing unfolds, AJ. Also, okay, so how does Jay get elected that position? Is he voted in somehow? Because this is something where players could have some power, I would imagine, whenever he's up for, is there a re-election?

Is it like the NFLPA? What do they do? Yeah, this goes back to the board conversation. Who was making the money that wasn't going to the tournaments before Liv came around, then $20 million dropped out of their pockets to go to the tournaments and do the players. Who all was a part of that? Because I would assume those are the people that are kind of in the running for who Jay is answering to or who is answering directly to Jay.

Yeah, in that press release, I believe they named a chairman of the PGA. He was listed. Herlihy. Yeah, is that his name? There was another guy, Herlihy. So maybe that guy might be, you know, James Herlihy. So maybe that guy might be referenced. Jimmy Herlihy. James Herlihy. He might be with the one.

Just the confidence in which Ty said that guy. I do remember reading Herlihy. Yeah. We've had a conversation about the board a couple times today. There's only a couple names now. This is Herlihy's first appearance, and I am pumped about it. Two hours and 55 minutes in. Shout out to Herlihy out there.

I assume Herlihy had a lot to say. I'm sure he did. Probably glad his name's not being brought up. I texted my boy Sam Burns. He's, what, 14th player on the PGA. I asked him how did he find out. He said when he turned on the TV, he just texted me back. Sam Burns? Yeah. So it feels like this is just like how most NFL

guys find out that they're cut or been traded or been released or coaches have been fired. It's like the internet is kind of just the way people find out about stuff now. And everybody says, that's not right. You know, you should tell somebody man to man when you're going to do something. It's like, well, I think those are the days of the past in all buckets of life. Everything is now how quick can the information get out there? And sorry about it.

You know, that's kind of how it's handled. We'll hear what Jay has to say here in about two hours. Let's go to Buffy on Long Island on the 5-Hour Energy phone line. What's going on, Buffy? Vampire. Hey, boys. How we doing? Keep it moving.

Appreciate you all always giving props to athletic trainers. That's my profession, so I appreciate it. My question resides in that. I want to know why we have Stooges talking about athletic injuries on ESPN. For example, Parity, Tua, Landeskog, Lonzo, apparently Biden.

Everyone's giving their opinion, but we have a whole ass profession here of guys and gals who have been there, done that, been in the locker room. They can stop and shop with the boys and explain injuries and procedures of those injuries and how we move forward. Buffy, you're saying why isn't there like an athletic training expert on most programs or games and everything like that?

Yeah, they have it now with reps. So I was thinking the same thing with athletic trainers. With what? Refs. Oh, got it, got it, got it, got it. Thank you, Buffy. Doctors check in sometimes with shows, don't they? Give like injury reports.

Yeah. You know, like Dr. David Chow has been on a program, and I think he's done a very good job of socializing. He's awesome. His information and dissecting things and doing that. That's a good question, though. Why don't networks have a— No respect for Stefania Bell, apparently.

Yeah, but, like, the athletic trainers— They don't want you to know. They don't want you to know. They don't want you to know if it's a screen or if you've got a pool. Why would we make that public information? A priority. Yeah, wouldn't that be against? No, he's saying somebody else outside, though.

He's saying, hey, you were a trainer. You don't work for any team. NBC, whoever hires you, and you come on and you talk about these injuries. And, hey, this is what's happened in the past with other people. This is how you can. The time frame, I think, is possible. So we like we like dr david chow yeah i would i would assume that a lot of those roles are going to doctors

as opposed to athletic trainers and i think that's what buffy's saying buffy's saying like you guys give a lot of props to athletic trainers because you know athletic trainers are with players so much of the time and they know and have to institute and execute fucking everything and nobody ever hears from an athletic training expert it's always like a doctor i can respect that i can see how they can potentially take a little bit of offense to them not having a voice anywhere wouldn't it be kind of anti athletic trainer to be an athletic trainer then go on and then kind of spill the secrets and tell exactly what's going on because part of that is the gamesmanship like you don't know who's playing

i don't know i assume the layman just thinks like oh a doctor's qualified to talk about this so i'll i'll just listen to a doctor and the doctor is just listening to what the trainers are saying and the doctors know so the trainers are telling us they do and then the doctor's given diagnosis normal yeah and then physical therapist is breaking down what we're going to do trainers are executing what yes physical therapists said to do. Doctor reads, scans injury, what we have. Physical therapist

puts together plan to rehab thing after surgery to get it back. Execution being done. Athletic trainers. I think that's accurate, right? In my experience at least. Yeah. So athletic trainers are like yeah, we're the fucking ones. Like, I think that's accurate, right? That's the breakdown. In my experience, at least. Yeah. Yeah. Broke it down nice.

So athletic trainers are like, yeah, we're the fucking ones. Yeah. Okay, we're doing. They are. We're doing. They are. They are. They are.

They know the players the best. They see them. They see the players when the good days, bad days. Like, they absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you guys know. Everyone knows. Like, you are close to trainers years after you're removed from places.

Bingo. Still texting. Take a great doctor, but you have to have a really great trainer. Like, my neck injury, I give Nick training in Cincinnati all the credit because, shit, there ain't too many people that came back from the neck injury that I had. And then you think about that is incredible. Shout out to Nick.

Shout out to Denny, I think, up in Buffalo. Denny Kelly. He was the one. You know what I mean? They're the ones that are sprinting out there with the water bottles during commercial breaks and everything like that. So they have to be pretty fit, too. And their hours are forever.

What are your hours? Well, we've got to be in there earlier than the earliest person in the building. And then we've got to stay after the last person leaves because the earliest person getting in the building is normally getting in there for treatment. We need as much time for treatment as much as possible and then the last person is normally finishing because of treatment so the trainers are doing it have to be in there before because they got to set up for the treatment and then they got to be there until

after and then put that on repeat and then have the internet say the water boys in the nfl get paid 75 grand or something like that it's like like, yeah, water boys and water girls. Their lives are insane. And they have to remain upbeat. Because if they're a drain or a downer, it's like, get them the fuck out of here. We're trying to win games. We're trying to get through something that's very hard.

So they have to have energy. They have to be upbeat. They have to be positive. They have to be optimistic. They're on the team. They're part of the team. They're a legit part of the team. A big role. So I appreciate that Buffy's like, how come we're not fucking ass to anything ever? It's like, I don't know if any athletic trainer I know, to your point, if I was to say, hey, you want to come on the show and talk about this, would. Yeah, there's no way.

No way. That's just not how they are. No way. Because they won't be at the stadium the next day. Yeah. They would like for people to continue to tell them. Don't tell me about Joe Burrow knee. Yeah, you know, yeah, da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da.

But see you tomorrow. Last call here on the 500 front line from Juan in Illinois. What's going on, Juan? Great to hear from you. Juan! That is Zeno's track. How are we doing today? Hey, great.

How are you, Juan? I was just taking a nap until I heard my name because I'm tired of Boston Connors stupid pigs. Hey, Connors, eat shit because you will never, ever lose to my, you will never win against my Bears ever again, you fucking mark. That's right. You fell asleep. You fell asleep.

That's how bad you were. Bears had the number one pick, but okay. This guy, this guy fell asleep listening to you talk about it. That makes sense. And you're never going to beat the Bears. Ever. Ever, you piece of shit. Ever. What a trash bag the ball. That makes sense. And you're never going to beat the Bears. Ever. Ever, you piece of shit. What a trash bag you are. That's fine. The guy falls asleep

while you're talking and your team will never beat his team. I appreciate you guys taking Juan's side, but let's keep in mind... No, I'm just explaining what Juan said. I heard it loud and clear. No, I don't know if he said you're a trash bag dumpster. You know, that's funny. He said you are shit. Oh, okay. Now I get it. That's what dumpster. You know, that's funny. He said, you are shit.

Oh, okay. Now I get it. That's what he said. Oh, okay. Thank you. Why'd he say that? I don't know. Because his name is Juan, and he's a Bears fan who's 3-14 last year.

What? What? What? Who's going to be last in their division, Connor? What? What? What? What?

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What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? We weren't last year either. He said you guys were actually the number one pick. You traded out of there to kind of get the attention away. But you guys fucking stink. So what are you saying?

That's what Connor just said. Do you want? What? You got murdered by Connor. Hope you're awake for it. Hope you're awake for it. We don't got Matt Jones at least, buddy. So I don't know what you're talking about.

Wasn't your cork getting buried, pal? Justin Fields hasn't thrown for 3,000 yards yet, but yeah. Oh, shit. You're doesn't throw them for 3,000 yards yet, but yeah. Oh, shit. You're right. We do got that. Still right in the Tom Brady wave I see, huh, buddy? Oh. Oh.

Living in the past. You did. Good call, Juan. Thank you, pal. Let's go bad, boys. Let's go bad. Good job. Good job.

Good job. Good job Good job Good job You know who would have respected that? A man who loves hockey A man who is fresh as a daisy One Sir Wayne Newton Okay, so Tone, great transition And you know, Wayne Newton does love a good entertainer That guy's been committed to entertainment in Las Vegas for a long time

Had no idea he's from Norfolk, I believe. Virginia. Norfolk. There's Suffolk and then there's Norfolk, I believe. Boom, boom, Virginia. I did not know he was from there, but that guy fell in love with Sin City a long time ago and said, you know what?

I'm going to be the fucking face of it. In this face, can't change for 61 years. When he was 20, he said that. Now he's 81 years old, and his face looks the exact same as when he was 20 years old. It's crazy. He made his way out to Las Vegas. Which one is he? He's the one on the left. What do you mean?

Is that the wax figure? That guy cranked the thing last night. That guy had a good crank last night. He did. And then now you're going to say, which one? You disrespectful fuck. What a crank out of this guy. And I can't believe he looks so incredibly young.

Shout out to Wayne wearing shoulder pads and a chest protector. And getting out there and getting the entire city that he has called home wowed up. We appreciate you, Wayne. Thank you, Wayne. Thank you, Diggs, for bringing him up for no reason. Yeah, you son of a bitch. You guys are talking about scraps.

I thought hockey. I thought Wayne. Looks great. And that a bitch. You guys are talking about scraps. I thought hockey. I thought Wayne. Looks great. And that wax figure that you guys put on the internet. There are other wax figures. Easy. Who, Tom Brady? Whoa, whoa.

I didn't say that. What is your deal? What the hell was that? The show's ending. We're taking shots. There's no need to. What the hell? It was a feel-good Tuesday.

I read his mind. Tom did have a real close camera on him there for that media run. What was that for? A couple times. I have no idea. 80 for Brady, too, I think. I think it was like, I'm not coming back to play football on tour. Oh, yeah.

He was everywhere, though. Oh, yeah. He was, like, everywhere. I didn't know that was happening. We missed out on that. It would be nice to chat with Tom. It would have been. Even with his camera right here on his face.

That was one of the closest cameras I've ever seen. I see the pores on his nose. I don't know if he had one. He looked so good. Was that the FaceTime that he and Gronky had? Is that what you're talking about? No, not the... Yes, the FaceTime was a part of it. That was another one. That was a separate one, but this...

This was the media run in which this was the shot I've seen ever. He looks great. Yeah, he looks unbelievable, obviously. Looks younger than he's ever looked. It looks like he could still play football. He owns a football team. You playing football? He said, no. And then he went on another show? No.

He said, you know, good question. No. We didn't get to ask him. No. What was he promoting? That's what we're saying. We don't know what we missed, but we missed something. 84 Brady is on Max right now.

Good show. Check it out. Did you watch it? Movie. I loved it. Great movie. Great movie. I watched it.

Did you watch it? Absolutely not. Why would I watch it? What's your favorite part? Me? Yeah, you. I think it was when the four friends, you know? Yep.

And it was right there at the beginning. They were sitting down in that living room. They said. And they decided that they were going to become Patriots fans. It was that moment you really get a chance to feel how somebody feels when they get introduced to the NFL for the first time again. So for me, it kind of took me back when I first got to watch it. And I think that part moved me the most, which a good movie should do.

You know what I mean? A good movie should move you. It should take you back in time. It should take you to the future. It should make you feel in the moment incredible. And at that scene, they'd have me hook, line, and sinker. And from that moment on,

I knew like, these four friends are going to absolutely crush it. Absolutely crush it. And I watched it all the way through and it was a good movie. So good. If they were to make a second one, which I think they are. They should. They're going on a trip to Europe, I think.

82 from Brady. Yeah, for sure. A Euro trip, yeah. Well, I remember this was one thing. They're going to do this, and then they're doing other stuff as well. Right. It's like a bucket list thing. Exactly.

What was AJ's favorite part? Good question. I would say, overall, watching the gals come together and have one common goal that they're working for and seeing their bond brought me to tears a couple times. Did you cry, actually? Yeah, a great movie. All the emotions were in a great movie. I was very excited.

I was crying. That was the part. I was close there. I don't know if I cried, though, but I could see how you could cry at some of the scenes when they were like, okay, and they all high-fived. It's like, I hope I get to experience that one day. Fellowship. I love seeing fellowship like that. Didn't AJ tell us last time

he was in the office that his favorite part was when Gronk was motorboating Jane Fonda? Yeah, he said he was pissed that he didn't get to see Sally Field nude. It's actually his favorite part when Jane Fonda drilled that glory hole in the locker room wall just to see what would happen. The end of the movie,

no spoilers. Watch this for yourself. Quips between Sally Field and Jane Fonda will have you fucking gut-busting laughing all night long. I know that's why I loved it. The quips. It was? What are you talking about? The quips.

Ty likes the cut of their jib. You could say that. I forget who we were talking about earlier, but it was somebody. Who's that? I heard you say it. I forget who we were talking about, but somebody's jib did get mentioned today. I will say, how could it not? A lot of jibs today.

Oh, yeah. Not a jib. No. Who came up with that? Serge Abba? No, the same. I like the cut of their jib. Damn it. Who was that we were talking i don't know but the first time they saw somebody who had something special they were like

gotta describe it jib yep there it is he's got it what does that mean uh you know the thing jib who was it was it jackie aces because he got fucking knocked unconscious and then went back out and then came back out and had an assist? It could have been. Oh, was it the short guy from Florida? It was. That's who it was. Do we want the origin of it?

Well, sometimes the origin of things we don't want to know. Yeah, usually. Is this one of the ones we want to know? I don't think so. Okay, we do. Okay, sweet, sweet, sweet. I would stop saying it. The term originated in sailing navies of the mid-18th century when the nationality of warships sighted at sea

could be accurately determined by the shape of their jib long before the national flag could be seen. Makes sense. Cut of the jib is the shape of the ship. Yeah, like the cut of that boat's jib. You know who it is? They also then pass it. They like the cut of my jib right now.

Some of my jib's a little bit more blobby. Right now, less blobby jib. They then pass it on by talking about people by, say, the shape of their nose. So I got a big jib. People like the shape blobby jib. They then pass it on by talking about people by saying the shape of their nose. So I got a big jib. People like the shape of my jib. AJ's got a busted jib. I like the cut of your busted jib.

Thank you. I like the cut of your jib as well. But now it has turned into their demeanor or their appearance. AJ, I would also like to say I like the cut cut your jib in that particular fashion. You as well. Pac-Man, Tyron. I like to cut all your jibs. Talk to the table. All the jibs. Like what your jibs are doing.

Great jibs. Great stage of jibs. Oh, so many jibs. Too strong. That's too strong. The jib is a little different these days. A little bit more jaw. That's the Murph. Hey, I'm doing like a third of that thing every day, trying to at least.

I got a little reset saying the day. There it is. Yeah, I'm trying to build up to it. I'm trying to do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Do it. That's awesome. Are those Jordans comfortable?

Yeah, I got them on Amazon, too. Yeah, those things are sweet. 12s, 11s? Sweet. The year? Are you talking about my size? No, no. The actual shoes? Yeah, those are nice. 12, 11. The year? Are you talking about my size? No, no. The actual shoes?

Yeah, the 12s. Those are nice. I like it. Yeah, they are, aren't they? Look at that. Huh? Arrived at the door, too. Shout out to Jeff Bezos.

The best. He's engaged. What a genius. He is. So he's going to do it again, huh? He said, you know what? Let's just fucking sign up again for another one. She's a helicopter pilot.

You know that? She's properly jocked as well. What do you mean by that? Like sign up again for another she's a helicopter pilot you know that she's properly jocked as well what do you mean by that like the rock what do you mean by a helicopter pilot she flies helicopters okay she she and he she and he are on a lot of boats it seems like yes they are so they live on on water well you got their thing and helicopters are very very useful to get to boats well that, that yacht. They land on them. That yacht can go anywhere. It's like a skyscraper. Dude, the helicopter game did that in New York. It was like one of the first times. How was that?

It was unbelievable. Not scary at all? No, it was like super stable. That was a big helicopter. It was like a big Cadillac in the sky. Yeah, it was fucking awesome. Is that what people do? I don't know.

Yeah, actually, I think that's what they do. Bro, we just got right into this. Like six minutes. It's like succession. We're in there. Succession. Seems pretty efficient. Pretty awesome. Yeah, but you know, I just think helicopter I think to myself. No way this thing's safe.

What are we doing? We're beating up air. We're fighting gravity. How do we? And I thought that thing would be like this. It was not at all. We were right there, weren't we, Nick? That was crazy. I could have taken a nap in that thing. It was so pleasant. I took a picture of him in it, sent to his dad, who lays concrete, obviously.

I said, look at this spoiled little bitch. Flying in a helicopter. Any response? He goes, big time, Nick, or something. How about Jimmy Graham landing there in the ocean? What's that, pal? Jimmy Graham landing his helicopter in the ocean. Yeah, what's he doing?

On the back of a ship, he was landing that thing. That was wild. He's a maniac. He is? That's Jimmy. He's a maniac. That's Jimmy B&J. That's Jimmy Graham.

That's right. Jimmy's a dog. He is. Let's make a shot. Yep. Oh. Oh, that was good. I thought that was it.

It did feel good. I see you down there, Bill. Great arc. Bill ran a mile in the 1.25 miles in a wavy vest today. Jesus. Where's the word every day? For the Murph. No, that's a flap jacket.

Oh. Yeah, a little different. Oh, yeah. Make a shot. Oh, no. Nice bounce. What a bounce. Wow. Wow. Shout out to that thing being in the perfect place. Nice bounce. What a bounce. Wow.

Wow. Shout out to that thing being in the perfect place. Serious. That's the one. Did the universe ever say, hey, how you doing? This ball's going in more than that right there? No, never. Never.

No. Without a doubt. I blew it. There's two still. There's two. Oh, is there? Yeah. Two, two, two, two, three.

Other side of the table. Take two. Make them both. Make them both? Make them both? Yeah. For Jay and Aria. I see Joe. There's one.

Fuck! Two jocks. Way too jocked. There it is for Joe. There we go, Joe. For Joe. Hell yeah, dude. Love you, Joe.

Yeah. Thank you, Joe. Joe. We should visit his grave sometime put flowers down i do every week this is for uh pittsburgh italian yeah hell yeah yeah that's a naruto and that other guy with the pittsburgh italian that broke 20 Yep. And the photo they used for the news story is a selfie of him with Pittsburgh Italian on his shirt. What a shirt. Need more of those shirts.

Love that guy. Shout out to that guy. Shout out. Bones ball, bones ball, bones ball, bones ball. I got the Italian horn on Bones ball You need to see the photo of that There it is

This guy's a dog This guy is 20 broken bones After he was hit by a car Pittsburgh Italian Obviously different form of Italian Than any other Italians out there. Have respect for all Paisanos.

The Pittsburgh Paisanos are a different breed. This guy's one of them. Grazie for your inspiration and your everything, Pittsburgh Italian pal. Did he wake up and try to go to work the next day and the doctors wouldn't let him? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Should've seen what happened.

Body cast? What's that? We ain't get no cash. His bones heal on his own. Who hit him? Did he know who hit him? Somebody that didn't know what they were hitting. Bingo. Or maybe they did. What if it was somebody, you know, a jilted lover or something?

Okay, maybe. We hope not. We hope not. This is for the Pittsburgh Italian. With the horn on Bang Grazie pal Come on Grazie

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