The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 921 - CC Sabathia, Brian Windhorst, Ron Johnson, Jordan Schultz, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat Game 3 of the NBA Finals, Nikola Jokic’s continued dominance after another easy Nuggets victory, tonight’s Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Finals, the breaking news that Dalvin Cook has officially been released by the Vikings, and how analytics and load management are infiltrating all professional sports. Joining the progrum is World Series Champion, 6x All-Star, Cy Young Award Winner, ALCS MVP, MLB Network Analyst, host of the R2C2 podcast, future Hall of Famer, CC Sabathia to chat about his career, tell some stories, discuss the new rules and why he likes them, getting the golf bug, and much more in an incredible conversation (18:56-55:19). Next, ESPN NBA Analyst, author, and absolute legend, Brian Windhorst joins the show to chat about the NBA Finals, what Chris Paul’s future looks like, his love for AJ Hawk, his relationship with LeBron, and he gives his opinion on the LeBron/MJ debate (1:09:06-1:39:14). Next, 5 year NFL veteran at WR and host of Vikings GameDay Live, Ron Johnson joins the show to chat about the Dalvin Cook situation and what he see’s out of the Vikings this year (1:59:26-2:13:31). Lastly, NFL Insider for The Score, Jordan Schultz joins the progrum to chat about his breaking news that Frank Clark plans to sign with the Broncos, and give an update on the AQI in New York City (2:40:03-2:50:06). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this incredible Thursday, June 8, 2023, this sports program starts right now. Sports! Are happening in a blowout fashion. Last night, the Denver Nuggets went down to six feet above sea level and cruised to a 2-1 lead in the NBA Finals series. The Nuggets are a fascinating entity, strictly because they're a team we did not know much about because they never garner the headlines through the regular season,

even though they have a guy leading the way who just did something that has never been done before in an NBA Finals where he scores at least 30, has 20 rebounds, and also 10 assists. That's the first that big of a triple-double that has ever happened in the NBA Finals where he scores at least 30, has 20 rebounds, and also 10 assists. That's the first that big of a triple double that has ever happened in the NBA Finals, and ho-hum, who cares about the stat? Is my horse

about ready to drag my ass around Serbia? Because we are just two wins away from being NBA champions. The first duo to have triple doubles in the NBA Finals. Obviously, Jamal Murray securing his final rebound with like eight seconds left in the game. It was kind of a throwaway grab that made a lot of people money to bet on him hitting a triple double.

But this team and this crew is so fun to watch whenever they're working. Now, it does make the games a little bit monotonous. Oh, yeah. Because last night, I guess there was a couple times where you thought maybe the Miami Heat will go on a run because that's basketball. That's what the NBA is. At some point, this thing's going to get close. They're going to keep us around for at least a minute or two.

It's the NBA finals. That was not the case, man. At all. No, these motherfuckers just blew them out the entire time. And I know Messi announcement might have had everybody kind of hungover down in Miami. Oh, yeah. Okay, because we're kind of intoxicated with all the greatness that's happening in South Florida. The Florida Panthers are going to try to do their thing and get on the board tonight as they're down 2-0 in the Lordo Stanley Cup Finals to the Vegas Golden Knights.

And maybe they'll be able to win, but we got a championship here. We got a championship here. We got Messi coming to town. David Beckham's still here. Holy shit, we're in Miami. There's a lot going on. They're kind of losing focus. A little bit.

Say that. Listen, you got four nights on primetime. It could end real bad in all four of those evenings for the city of Miami and for South Florida. Last night was not a good start. We assume Hemi and Spolstra, who we're talking about effort after the game, will be able to bounce back and make something happen.

But if not, and this Nuggets team continues to do what we've seen them do in primetime in the playoffs since basically getting introduced to this team with a two-time MVP, this thing could be over quick. They are so fun to watch, so good. And then you toss in Gordon, who's a fucking dog. And then everybody else they have around.

Little white dude, I have no idea who he is. He's got veins in his neck. He's jocked. Properly jocked. He's going right into him. He's chesting this entire thing, swagging out. I mean, they feel as if they're a team that are going to be good for the long haul. For sure. This isn't an old splash,

let's get a superstar and then they're gone soon. No. Let's not completely dump our salary cap into a couple people and then get fucked royally whenever one person doesn't want to play anymore. Exactly. This is a team that's been built from the dirt. And it seems like whenever you're built on marble and not built on sand,

there's a chance that even if you lose at home in the NBA Finals, you'll bounce back that next game and say, hey, we're still here. We are still great. And on the precipice of their first-ever championship, they have to beat a team that has done the same exact thing in the opposite fashion. So what will Game 4 hold? Will it be another blowout like last night,

or will Hemi do what Hemi has done through this entire playoff run? We shall see. Last night was a snooze fest. We still enjoy it, though. Stanley Cup final tonight, we will enjoy that. We got big conversations happening today. I am very pumped about it. CeCe Sabathia will join us. Holy shit. Yeah, baseball's happening,

obviously. CeCe Sabathia has something big happening tonight on the MLB network. They'll be telecasting the Astros and Blue Jays. I don't know if this was supposed to be like a New York game, and then the AQI continued to do what the AQI did, and it was kind of moved to the Astros. We hope everybody's okay, by the way.

Ready to see. What's going on with this? It's not good. There is something fishy going on, but, you know, that's good. That's one half of the hammer. The Cowboys telling Diggs he utilizes the Internet. Another man who utilizes the Internet, the toxic table, at Boston Connor. And obviously at Ty Schmidt is here.

This is different. This doesn't happen. Something's afoot. You could say that there might be something going on. And I don't know because I know real lives are being affected by it. But look into it, okay? Because something is going on. They are in research, says the man in the

camouflage Patriots hat with a sports stooge on his t-shirt. But it is interesting. These pictures we're getting out of New York. The practice is being canceled. People being commanded inside, basically. The weather too piss poor to go outside and breathe. We hope everybody's okay. Let's get through this. Yeah, good luck.

Let's get through this. This is wild, though. 14-year NFL vet, Adam Pacman. Jones is here. Pac, you're the man, pal. Let's dive into that basketball game last night, though, Pac, because your pronouns when it comes to the Nuggets are we and our, and you said that to Darius Butler like we, and you were obviously a big-time LeBron fan,

but when this team just sweeps LeBron and the Lakers, you can't help but build admiration for them, a fanhood for them, and you're their fan now for the NBA Finals. There was never a doubt last night. These dudes are fucking great. It's fun to watch them play. Boring games, fun to watch them kind of execute and do their thing. Oh, man, it was an unbelievable game.

If you ask me, the big stars play good for Denver. They play good. Then you had Christian Barnes come in that played unbelievable down the stretch. Brown. Brown. Brown. Brown. Brown. Brown. He's out there.

Yeah, I know. But to your point there, we don't even know who these people are. Exactly. We don't even know who they are. They're just coming in. There was somebody that came in the game last night, Reggie. Reggie Jackson? Reggie Jackson, I think, had some minutes last night.

I don't know. It was the first time he was on the court. All playoffs came in. I don't know. I mean, there was like, this NBA playoffs has been interesting because it hasn't been the superstar-driven teams, really. Now, Joker, superstar, obviously.

Yeah, but not on. Jimmy Butler, superstar, obviously. Absolute dog. But whenever you talk about who the NBA chooses, I don't know if it's the NBA, but whoever chooses to just make the league about these people, this is not them at all.

And it's kind of the storylines that have been developing in the cooking and the players that we've been introduced to and the style of play. It's like, holy fuck, I didn't know the NBA had this type of stuff going on. Obviously, we all know about Luka. Luka took over there for a little bit. Because how slow he's moving and how it seems like the ball is actually on a string and he's moving

in actual slow motion. He's shaking people that are much faster and more athletic than me and none of it makes sense. And then you got Kyrie obviously going to his team, but whenever you talk about the old generation

of superstars and then the new generation of superstars, when you got like Trey Young in there and Zion in there, T's and P's, bro. Yeah.

Good luck, Zion. This too shall pass, all right? Bingo. This too shall pass. Time heals all wounds. You're going to learn from this, though. You're young.

Learn from this. Never going to trust a human ever again in his entire life. Probably not. But going to learn from this, though. You're young. Learn from it. Never going to trust a human ever again in his entire life. Probably not. But also, learn from this. I'll do you think the next generation of stars, and then the older stars that are kind of have been carrying the league for a long time. You think about like KD and LeBron and M up here.

It feels like Joker could have fit into both of them. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? Joker could have fit into both of those promotions, and we didn't really hear about it. And it's because I don't think he gives a fuck. I don't think Joker cares at all if anybody knows about him. He just wants dubs.

And even at those games, with how many minutes he's playing, and obviously it was a part of the stat line alongside Jamal Murray, he looks tired at times. For sure. He looks like I've done a lot of cardio and conditioning that we've had to do for teams and you watch guys who hate it and they clearly hate it and their body's there but they're not missing a time you know so they're like like miserable but getting through right on time it's like there's portions of the game where joker is just like so fucking exhausted not missing a pick and roll not missing a pass not

missing a chase down and then like as soon as the ball goes out, he's still exhausted. It's like he's very to the refs like, what the fuck? He's very invested. He's entertaining to watch. He must watch television. And I hate to say this and completely beat this up, but honestly, 30-20-10, first time ever in NBA Finals. He does it all. He's so good at all of basketball. And he's seemingly a cartoon character of a human

how come we haven't been marketing the fuck out of this guy i i don't think i get it at all i think it's because he doesn't dive in and he doesn't want the attention so maybe that's kind of the reason why maybe because you know yokich all he does is you know score triple doubles and set records and do all these things that have never been done before but after the game he doesn't want to talk about that he just wants to go home and, to your point, talk to his horse. He said, this is just a stat. I'm not worried about it. I'm trying to win the trophy.

He doesn't give a shit. His touch is so crazy. Stat. Yeah, stat that. Hashtag stat that. That was the thing for a little bit, Pac. You weren't here yet. They were trying to push that.

Amazon. And that kind of just disappeared. So we continued to run with it with things things that weren't actually stats but people would act like they were stats so fun because we got into a world where everything was seemingly a stat even people's opinions remember that oh yeah so we used to just tag those at the end hashtag so a hashtag stat that of joker is that he said it's just a stat yeah stat and you could stat that that exactly yogic is the first person ever to say it's just a stat. Yeah. Stat that. And you could stat that. Exactly. Jokic is the first person ever to say it's just a stat.

Hashtag stat that. Yeah, we bookend the stat that. Bingo. Yeah. About anything. So he's got great stats all over the place, press conferences, but doesn't want to talk. It's almost like if he does it differently.

Bill Belichick has to talk to the media. Very similar. And Bill Belichick ain't giving nothing. Joker's the same way, but he's not miserable. He's just not giving anything. Can he speak good English? Do we know? Does he speak good English?

I would imagine he speaks pretty good English, but I think that is just the difference between a guy who's from Serbia and a guy who grew up in the United States. Like, he loves basketball. He wants to win. He doesn't give a shit about, you know, you didn't come over here to make a bunch of money. Like, granted, that's going to come with being a back-to-back MVP you didn't come over here to make a bunch of money like granted that's going to come with being a back-to-back mbc he certainly came over here to make a lot of money well i'm saying like he did but like if you're as good as he is like

you're going to make a lot of money like he's he wasn't he wasn't coming over here thinking like strictly for yeah like i i want to be i want to be you know like in movies and shit like that like he wants to be the best basketball player ever and i'm sure a lot of guys say that but it's also much different when you come from like a fucking war-torn country growing up. It's like, hey, I'm here for a reason. I'm not here for the limelight and to kind of thrust myself into shit all the time.

It doesn't work like that. All right, I want to have my own shoe line by year 10 or whatever. I want to do this. I want to have this. It's like when Joker comes in, do you want your own shoe line? On team? I just want to be on team. Shoes that when Joker comes in, do you want your own shoe line? On team? I just want to be on team. Shoes that the team gets?

I just want to be on the team. I wonder, that's a little different perspective. What you're saying is we've gotten soft. Okay, we started worrying about the wrong things. And it feels like Joker's like an old school guy where it's like all he cares about is just basketball. And I do like the fact, although he scored 30 and he scored 40 a couple nights ago, can't score 40 again. Yeah, stay under 40. Yeah, because if he scores 40, they will lose.

That is a stat. Hashtag three times he scored 40, three times they have lost. So that's an incredible thing. He's looking to pass and make a play. And as somebody that like bets on him potentially on a lot of things, get real pissed sometimes i'm like hey joker just fucking take it in you know you'll be standing in like the top of the key and he's like looking to make like a sick pass and i'm like the guy in front of you right now does not want anything to do with you no just bully that fucking guy and then just do one of your really cool soft baby hooks not even close

to touching the rim no that thing is thing is just splashing every single time. But all of a sudden, he's looking for a pass this way, and the guy gets an easy layup. And then he, I don't even think he celebrates. It might like low five. He just jogs back with a straight face. I'm like, God damn, if you're going to do like sick passes, at least give me a little like, a little sauce on it.

No sauce. He's just fucking doing everything so perfect, like teammate wise. Yeah. I really enjoy watching him. Tough to predict how many points he's going to score, though. Very hard, yeah. 30 is kind of – you can't do the 35s with Jokic.

You've got to stick to 30, and then if you really aren't sure, you go to 25 and, yeah, take his rebounds. Yeah, so triple-double is almost like a more sure bet than his actual points. Bingo. Because just like Spolster said, untrained eyes are saying let him score. Not you, Ramona. Just in general. People are hearing it from.

We don't know if he's going to score 27, though, and then potentially have 35 rebounds. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. He went for 21, 35, and 15. Like, that would be an actual stat somehow. And every – I was trying to watch him work those rebounds, too.

Because, you know, rebounding is not just like you with Dennis Rodman. You've got a good feel for that. As the ball's in the air, you've got to have a feel for where that thing is heading because we could go that whole thing. He's reading shots too. Watching him kind of

because he's not fighting every single time he's boxing. It's not like old school rebound grabbing. He him kind of because he's not fighting every single time he's boxing it's not like old school rebound grabbing he's like kind of on the outside like reading and then boom just real quick yeah i'm 6 11 260 i'm looking at the goal and then bang yeah he's there it is he's fucking phenomenal in in the way he moves at his yes yeah doesn't make any sense to me either he should at least have some sort of lumber or something wrong with his gait. He seemingly doesn't. This dude is an alien. You could make the argument that he's the most skilled

basketball player of all time. Well, Kendrick Perkins said he's the most skilled center of all time. Yeah, I think basketball player as a whole, you could make the argument. As of right now, I don't know how long his career is going to be. We're living in the moment. I'm sick of us doing this. We're ESPN. We love it though. Right now, he's the best we've ever seen at that position.

He's best at everything. Yeah. Yeah. But there's, like, different parts to it. Because, like, if he was playing Shaq, then it would— Shaq wouldn't be able to guard him. If Shaq go out there, like— Exactly.

But Jokic wouldn't be able to guard Shaq. No, he wouldn't. Exactly. He's getting abused on defense by Shaq. A lot of this problem. Yeah, it takes away from your offense a little bit. Yeah, but Joker's pretty good at the fucking, you problem. Yeah, it takes away from your offense a little bit. Yeah, but Joker's pretty good at the fucking, you know.

Yeah, he can lean. He hits the ground. And I think those tired faces, I think that's all. I think that's Jimmy. Yeah, I think he's like. I don't know, but there's been a couple. It's 6-11, dude. Bro, if you look at Jimmy Butler's face after the game, that was a real exhausted. Like, God damn. I don't know how we're

going to pull this one off. Bro, 6'11", dude, he is fucking this big. Massive. And he's just running, like, he's running gassers for 42 minutes. That's all he do. He really is just the most, I don't want to say like Ben Stein, but kind of like just

monotone Ben. He's a player, though. Yeah, I can't, if they do go on to win it, I can't wait to see like Ben Stein, but kind of like just monotone Ben. He's a player, though. Yeah, if they do go on to win it, I can't wait to see what he does. All right. I hope we get a chance to watch him more next year during the regular season. Yeah, absolutely. Does he play games? Oh, yeah, he plays a lot.

Yeah. I'd assume it's tough to make him not play games. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to probably win a few more MVPs with that 65 game rule. Yeah, because they're talking about players maybe winning awards without playing actual games and doing the whole body rest thing. I'm going to ask CeCe Sabathia about that, by the way. He played a long time, 251 wins in the majors.

He's in the top 100 of innings pitched all time. We talk about now guys not throwing as much. CeCe was throwing seven eight innings every single time he pitched damn near so the more information we learn about all these sports it feels like the more they want to kind of keep everybody safe which is smart i think data and analytics lead us to keeping people safe but i think you also miss on like miss out on like who the potential iron men are so like i think whenever they're like uh data tracking how many yards everybody's running at practice and they're like okay the dbs today ran five miles uh they ran two miles more than any other position so on wednesday we're gonna hold them back and it's like okay

that's in theory that makes sense but what if one of those guys in there is just like gonna be known for as the guy that could just go forever. Needs to do it. And like needs the extra five miles. You never take into account like the outliers that are like the need to have all the time, like need to work, need to do that whole thing in the lieu of like player safety and health. I think it's happening in all sports. Like in baseball, I think because they've learned how many times people normally get injured at so many pitches and, hey, this is what history tells us. And it's not collecting – there's outliers in there too there's people that that elbows never

had to get fixed after a certain amount of thing but in general the average is this it's like well we're not dealing with average we're dealing with professional athletes right so i think everybody should be kind of treated differently so i think like the stats that are trying to keep people safe are also removing potential like legacy iron man type runs from people i think pitching is one of them yeah like i bet you there's some pictures i would assume just by a lot of physics there's probably some picture right now that is being arrested and being coddled that their body somehow for some reason able to fucking if they would just let them go but they'll never let them go because now why would we want to risk

somebody blowing out their arm when we just paid him and we have a thicker bullpen? It's like that stuff is all fascinating to me about how data kind of changes everything. And CeCe was a guy. He threw. Nowadays, would they let him throw as much as he can? I think he is one of those guys who the manager comes out

and tries to take the ball from him and he's like, no, fuck you. I'm staying in the game i'm finishing this inning but i don't know how many guys are left that are like that i think guys do just like yeah you're you're probably right i should because shit back in the day like before any of this stuff came like those guys used to i mean like there was no there was no thought of hey we're gonna take you out it's like hey you're pitching today you're gonna have to pitch the whole game like that's just the way it goes. And now it's like, there's no chance you're pitching this whole game. Yeah, very rarely. Even, hey, you can

have the best day you've had. No hitter. At some point. One thing goes wrong, you're fucking coming. It just happened against the Yankees not yesterday because the game got canceled because of the AQI, but two days ago, they were playing the White Sox and the White Sox pitcher had a no-hitter through

seven innings, but he had thrown over 100 pitches, so they took him out after seven. Boom. Bingo. I didn't know this happened. That is my exact point. What if that guy's supposed to throw 200 pitches? What if the 100 pitches to this guy is not 100 pitches to some other guy? We don't know that. We just know what the average is

of all the guys. It's like some people are fucking built different. Do they limit Otani, do we know? Yeah, definitely. But that's also because he's playing both ways. And if he gets hurt, they're really fucked. Okay. Yeah, but they're not making the playoffs anyway.

Well, that Strasburg guy, when he first came in, he had like a pitch count, right? Yeah, because he had Tommy John in college. Somebody, wasn't Strasburg. No, Rangers. Some big... DeGrom. DeGrom just got sat down. Never going to be able to pitch again, they're saying, somebody.

Yeah, his career might be. Oh, shit. He's like the picture of the guy who, if he could stay healthy, he could have been a top five guy all time. But there's so much strain on his arm, too. See, but his arm, for instance, might respond in that particular way. Some other people's arm might not have. And I don't know if we ever will because data is telling us we got to...

Which I guess makes sense in theory. But then you miss out on potential... Dogs! Like those who have 251 wins in the majors. Is that good? Yeah. Yeah. Very good.

I'd say. A Cy Young winner, obviously six-time All-Star, World Series champion, an absolute legend. Tonight on the MLB Network at 7, he'll be hosting a clubhouse edition of the coverage between the Astros and the Blue Jays game. He will have, among other guests, Chris Young, Sierra Santos, and Paul Wall. Paul Wall. Yeah. The Iceman.

See you there. Boom. On fo-fos. Yeah. Damn right. Ladies and gentlemen, CeC On Fofos. Yeah, damn right. Ladies and gentlemen, CeCe Sabathia. Yeah, CeCe! What's up?

How are you, man? Good. How you guys doing? I'm great, thank you. You golf at Augusta? I see the hoodie you got there. Nah, I just left a lesson. I was at Augusta this year, though, for the first time.

I went and watched the tournament, so I got a chance to go down there and hang out but i got the golf bug bad man so i was at a lesson today and just threw this hoodie on you slaughtered golf balls or what man i'm trying i'm trying to get right for tahoe i've seen your instagram the other day rode to tahoe everybody's everybody's getting locked in right now so that was my first time last year uh and how times have you been? This will be my third year. So last year was my second year. Okay, so my first year I went out there, I don't think I fully comprehended how serious people are taking it. You know what I mean? Don't you think that's the same thing?

Your first year you go out there, and then all of a sudden there's like, oh, that's one of those political commentators. Yeah, he's been on the driver's range for four hours. What? Dude, he's on a – It's guys out there grinding. Like, I mean, you know, that's how I was the first year. I was like, I'm going to go out here and play this tournament and see what's going on.

And I was scared to go on the driving range. Because, like you said, so many guys have been out there three, four hours. You can see the divots. I'm like, should I even hit balls? It's intimidating. It's intimidating. I'm happy to hear you had the same way. You're fucking CeCe Sabathia, so I'm happy you fought the same way as me.

Me and Connor, I had maybe indulged in a couple of the baked goods. What? You know what I mean? So I was just starting to really take off. Getting going. You know what I mean? It was an early morning. There was a little bit of dew on the driver range.

I look out there, and that driver range is packed. And everybody has it. Packed. There was like swing coaches. There was a fucking swing coach. there, that driver range is packed. Yeah. And everybody has it. There's like swing coaches. There's a fucking swing coach. You remember that? Shot tracer. Yeah, they had the swing man.

And I'm like, we should not. Half the guys are taking it fucking serious and half the guys are just out there just messing around. You know what I'm saying?

Gotta find those people. Gotta find those people. I was next to Steph Curry. Steph had his golf coach. He had the swing man. He had some like golf fix, like pool noodle shit on the thing. And my driver ran right next to him, and I'm like,

I don't need to ruin this guy's day. You know what I mean? I should not. He's going to win this. I am not. Anyways, happy to hear you got the golf bug, as do I. We'll see you out at Tahoe. You're an absolute legend.

Thank you for joining us. Let's talk about this particular MLB season, and we chatted about it just beforehand. You know, analytics have kind of taken over everything in football it's taken over practice reps and how much people run and they track everything uh in basketball the wrestling players obviously and that's become a full conversation about having to play 65 games to win any awards and in baseball and I don't follow as closely as like my guy Ty here who's a massive fan of yours he can't wait to chat with you but like Ty talked about how back in the day it was like hey you're gonna pitch this

game this is your game go win this fucking game and if we need to bring somebody out at the end we will now it's like there's no chance you're gonna pitch an entire game pretty much at what stage was that and do you think we're missing out on some guys that might be like iron men type uh pitchers because the analytics are holding people back? Or am I misreading the whole situation, CeCe? No, I think you're dead on. And I think, you know, like you said, when I got the ball, when it was time for me to pitch, it was – until I got to the Yankees,

it was like – it was my game. And when I got to the Yankees, it was like, okay, I'll give it up. I'll give the ball up to Mo. So I'm going eight innings, you know, every time unless until Mariano's getting the ball. So yeah, I mean, I think the way, you know, kids are coached now in analytics, it's go out and throw your best pitch as hard as you can for as long as you can, which is about four and a half, five innings. And then we'll get somebody else in here to come in and do the same thing so nobody's

really a starter anymore it's more like long relievers if you if you really think about it so the but the but the teams that are there at the end in october always have three starters so you know you watch the astros you watch the phillies you watch these teams that play you know deep into the playoffs every year it's always the team that traditionally can pitch in deep the starts compete deep into the game and then. It's always the team that traditionally can pitch in deep, the starters can pitch deep into the game, and then the bullpen is rested so they're fresh for those games in October and be able to go out and perform.

We read that in high school, like, you were obviously an incredible tight end and athletic and everything like that. Do you think the reason why you're like, yeah, I'll give the ball to Mo, I'm not giving it to you, do you think it's because you're just an uber-competitive human being? Is that kind of how you are in everything? Yeah, absolutely. And to be honest, like, you know, I used to always tell Joe Girardi, I'm like me with 120 pitches is better than anybody you got in that bullpen besides Mariano. You know what I'm saying? So I don't give a damn who you got warming up unless it's Mo coming in.

Like I can finish this. That's that was just the way I was, you know, brought up and taught to pitch. I mean, ever since I was 8, 9, 10 years old, if there was a big game to be pitched, I'm pitching that game, and I'm probably going to finish that game. So whenever you're, like, going through a season long, hey, you guys play so many fucking games. Too many. We do.

See so many games. I mean, you have 251 wins. Like, that's so many games. Think mean, you have 251 wins. Like, that's so many games. Think about that. Nine innings. Like, the whole production that's happening at the stadium. Doubleheaders sometimes. You got pierogies racing in the outfield.

You got fireworks happening. 251 times OCC stepped on the bump. One. Thank you all for coming. You're welcome. That is so many games in there. How did you, what was your routine? Did you work out all year round?

How did you have like, how many surgeries did you have to have? Like, what was the routine and how did you keep your arm alive? Well, when I was younger, the routine was really bad. It was just, you know, I worked out during the season and that was it. Most of the time in the off season it was fried chicken hennessy and whatever else i can get my hands on so um as i got older and the injury started to pile up you know my knee um i had a toe surgery i ended up having about i think eight or nine surgeries on my knee um and then i ended up having one final surgery on my shoulder very last pitch i threw but my

routine got better as I got older. I started working out year-round, and I think it shifted. You know, in my career, I played 19 years. At the beginning of my career, when I came up in 99-2000, it was, you know, we used spring training to get ready. You know, you got those six weeks. You use that six weeks to do all your running and everything. You get ready for the season.

As I got older, mid-2000s, you know uh late 2000s is like no you need to be ready to go day one of spring training we started throwing bullpens you know before spring training started later in my career so um you know it was one of those things where it was a year-round workout, and that got to be wearing on me and a grind on me where it was more work for me off the field to go pitch six, seven innings. My routine was three or four hours before the game. So I would start my routine like 4.15 for a 7 o'clock game, whether it was getting in the hot tub, getting massages, all these different things I had to do to get ready

was why I was ready to retire. Hey, sustained greatness, man, requires a lot of commitment. Adam Vinatieri, for practice, on Wednesdays, he'd be kicking like 10 balls in practice. We're talking like three and a half hours of like, we got to work on this, we got to work on this, we got to get this, we got to get that. And We got to work on this. We got to get this. We got to get that.

And it's like every little part has to kind of be loosened up. I assume very similar for the pitching. And you said 19 years. There's a lot of time there where not only the game can grow, the conversation can grow, the little games, you know, inside the game can grow. So this was a big conversation I was learning about. This spider tech thing, fucking awesome.

Okay. So when I learned of this just a couple years ago, I didn't even know this thing was existing. Then they started checking for it. Now it's a full pat-down happening in between innings. Now they're still looking, but guys are still unable to get in there. How long has that type of stuff been a part of the game? I assume since you came into the league, that stuff was happening,

and probably long before that. And how much of a difference can that actually make to a pitcher at the end of the day? Yeah. I mean, the sticky stuff has been around forever, obviously, right? But spider tack, like you, I had just learned about it too. Like I had no idea about spider tack. Hey, that was like deer antler spray for us in the NFL. We all learned about deer antler spray.

We're like, damn, everybody. What was this stuff we missed out on? I was so pissed off because the guy that was making it, I was close with. You know what I'm saying? It's a guy that I know that I sat in his office all the time and I was around him a lot. So I'm kind

of pretty pissed off at him that he didn't offer me to fuck Spider-Man. I'm like, how did I miss out on this shit? But like, yeah I mean, it was a huge difference between Spider-Tac and actually like pine tar or rosin and rubbing alcohol. Or a lot of guys like to use would use like shaving cream or sunscreen and, you know, rosin that that makes things sticky. So that's what Scherzer just got suspended for. He had a rosin stick and rubbing

alcohol. So that makes the ball real sticky. What SpiderTac did was actually making pitchers better. You can see the RPMs and the spin rates just going through the roof with the stuff that they were using. But like said i was it was all brand new to me too i had no idea about spider attack and i'm pretty pissed off because it was going on while i was playing and i definitely could have used it so it was how long do you think it's been around do you think it was just like a couple guys that knew about it and they were kind of no apparently it was a lot of guys that knew about it and it was going on for a long time um but like i said i mean i for me i never used i didn't even use the rosin bag it was going on for a long time. But like I said, I mean, for me, I never

used, I didn't even use the rosin bag. It was just the sweat I use for my ham. And I, you know, I'm a big guy. I was always out there sweating. I can sweat in the snowstorm. So I could just always just grab sweat right here and just rub the ball up. So I never really, I was never really in the sticky stuff. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't a conversation that I was in. It was kind of one of those things where if you knew, knew and if you didn't you didn't okay so in that vein of conversation about baseball which I think is one of baseball's best things he's just all the shit outside of I didn't grow up in a baseball community so like learning of all this stuff very publicly happening outside like when the trash can thing came in about like calling signals and I I knew

that if somebody was on second base they're trying to catch the catcher and then they're potentially trying to tell the batter like i think even kids do that like youth baseball like i saw that like high school i think so whenever i learned about the garbage cans and then they were talking about maybe some electronic skeletons wrong people and they had buzzers and all this type of type of shit like how deep does that stuff go and as as a pitcher, how, at what point do you have to figure out that they're onto you or can you not do that? I don't, I mean,

sometimes you can, for me, I could only tell if guys are onto me from second base, if they can get my signs from second, like that's just something that you can feel as a pitcher with the, I guess, you know, the,

I don't, I don't even know if that's true with the buzzards. Passing said that was not true. Yeah, it didn't happen. I don't think that that was true. But with the trash cans and stuff, we had no idea. And it makes it tough for a pitcher when, you know, you actually like kind of live streaming the signs.

You know, I think that's where it makes it a little more difficult to defend as opposed to a guy at second base where you can change up the signs. Or if a guy is getting assigned to second base, it's kind of on you. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, that's on the picture. That's on the catcher. That's on the,

that's on the team that's on defense. So, but with, you know, a camera looking into the signs and, you know, the trash cans and all of that, that's a little,

you know, undefensible. Yeah. It seems like, all right, you know, like we were doing of that, that's a little, you know, undefensible. Yeah, it seems like, all right, you know, like we were doing this. Right, everyone was doing it. What you guys just did too far. Too much.

It's too much. Too much. We're FaceTiming, we're streaming. There's just no way to defense it. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no way for me. Whatever sequence I change it to, you already have it. Yeah, so there's no way to beat it.

We're not actually competing here anymore. Like, you get my shit. Okay, cool. We adjust. That's competition. You get it live in stream while I'm adjusting. I mean, what do you want? We're playing a one-time game all of a sudden.

Yeah. So the garbage can thing, like, um, feels like if I'm a pitcher, they, okay. I would be able to hear the banging. That's why I know. And do you think this type of stuff is still happening? I assume this type of stuff and like the rosin stick, like this stuff's going to happen forever, no matter what takes place with the MLB,

no matter what the rulings are? I think guys will always figure out a way to play within the rules. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes guys are, you know, within that gamesmanship of playing within the rules, guys will get out, you know, sometimes. And, you know, you see suspensions.

But, I mean, I'm sure guys are still getting signs from second base. Absolutely. I have no idea if, you know, guys are doing, you know, to the level it was, you know, 2015, 16, 17. I don't think so. You know, they have monitors. MLB has monitors down in the dugout kind of all over this thing.

So I don't think you can really get away with it the way you could back then. But in that gamesmanship within the rules, guys are always going to try to figure out how to get an edge, you know? Yeah, Bill Belichick has actually made an entire career. Hell yeah. At one point he was lining off. It worked yeah yeah i'd say yeah i'd say so yeah i think so so we're done yeah ty schmidt diehard yankee fan big time fan of yours has a couple questions yeah cc we had a rod on i think last week or a couple weeks ago and talked about you know when he first came to new york the amount of like media bullshit that he had to deal with, with his star power and all that kind of stuff.

And I don't think anyone ever really talks about it with you. But at the time when you signed with the Yankees, you know, you come from Cleveland and Milwaukee, two smaller markets. You signed the biggest deal in the history of baseball for a pitcher at the time. And then right when you get there, lead the mlb and wins your first two years you know win a world series like was it difficult coming to a a big uh market like new york from those two smaller places like did you have to deal with any bullshit that you weren't expecting and also what do you think the yankees need to do to get over the hump and win another fucking world series well uh i'll start with me i mean you, it was hard for me before I got here

because I never wanted to come to New York. I never wanted to play in New York. I never, you know, with all the media and everything that goes on around the Yankees, you know, A-Rod and Derek were having their thing at the time. I just didn't want to be a part of it. So I did everything I could to try to avoid being a Yankee. Brian Cashman, we had a couple of meetings and he was so convinced that it would work for me in New York that he was like, I'll let you opt out after three years. I'm so convinced that you're going to love it here. Your family's going to love it here. He came inside my living room and sold it to me. And, you know, I trusted trusted him but that next morning after we agreed to the deal and when i signed it was uh you know i was i was uh i went to bed and this was back with

sports center on the side of the the tv it had like every topic they were about to talk about for the next whatever and my name was every single one and i woke up i looked at my wife i was like what the fuck did we do? This might've been a mistake, but as soon as I got to spring training, it was, you know, it was like being at home. Derek was, was cool. Me and Andy hit it off right away. Mariano, me and Jorge became, you know, great friends right away. So it made it super easy. And to be honest, that, that very first spring training, um, you know, we had, uh, in 2009, that was a year when, um, I think A-Rod had, had came up with a positive, uh, PED test. So my very first day of spring training, it was a press conference with him. So I kind of like

flew under the radar because all of that stuff was going on. And I kind of figured out like, with all of these stars here, like I can kind of just fly under the radar because all of that stuff was going on. And I kind of figured out like what all of these stars here, like I can kind of just fly under the radar. Nobody's like checking for me. You got Derek, you got Mo, you got all these guys that they're going to come ask questions to before they ask you your question. So it kind of took a lot of pressure off me where coming from those smaller

markets, you're the guy you need to go out and win 20 games every year. You need to go out and throw shutouts all the time. And I kind of figured out pretty quick with the Yankees that if I can just slide in and do my little part, these guys are pretty fucking good. They've already won four championships. If I can do my little part, we can win pretty quick. And I figured that out after the first month and was a smooth seller.

And speaking of winning, can they win again? You think Ty's heart heartbroken you know because the hey cc you know it i know it not worried about that but they became the talk of new york the mets became yeah the talk of new york because cohen he's spending what he's doing what yeah what Steinbrenner used to do he's taking the Yankee model from back in the day and implementing now the World Series Classic obviously takes away the trumpets which is mass apart the entire thing

he'll be back better than ever next year I'm told of that but are the Yankees you think what do the Yankees need to do to win again because Ty I think would really enjoy that for his life, and I think his wife would enjoy that as well. I just think we need to be healthy. Like, we haven't been healthy all year for a long time.

You know, having Severino back in our rotation, you know, obviously Cole was the top three pitcher in the league, but he can't do it himself. You know, Severino's a stuff guy. He's one of those guys that has some of the best stuff in the league, but he can't do it himself. You know, Severino's a stuff guy. He's one of those guys that has some of the best stuff in the league. So when he gets his legs up under him and we can, you know, give him the ball in game two and you get Nestor healthy, you get Judge back healthy for, you know, a full season.

He was looking better than he did last year, you know, this last six weeks of games. So I think this team is primed and ready. If you look at Rizzo, without the shift, he's hitting 300. You know, these guys are locked in. So I think, you know, I'm always going to go with my guys, and I always believe that they can win. I just think they need to be healthy, man, and that's the biggest thing.

Yeah, hey, good luck out there. Yeah. Hope you guys stay healthy. He judged you back ASAP. He was hitting the ball so far. I mean, locked in. So what are you guys? You guys eye to eye?

No, he's taller than me. How tall are you? 6'6". Jesus. Damn. What did you weigh whenever you were throwing baseballs? Man, I was an offensive tackle, bro. I was 330.

Did you feel like you had to be that big to throw? I did the one year uh I got I think it was like 2013 I got down to like 265 I was feeling good like got a new uniform all this shit came to spring training I was throwing like 83 damn it was just like I was falling all over the mound, all this shit. I was like, yeah. I got back to 290 before spring training was over. So when I was moving balls much different than you, I got like real thin at one point. And I didn't feel like I could kick the ball as far.

I was like, well, I guess I was going to be a fat guy doing this whole thing. And then I got into like great shape later, and it was like, oh, this is what I should have been doing the whole time, you know? That's what happened. Yeah. After I retired, I got into great shape, and I was like oh this is what i should have been doing the whole time you know like that's what happened yeah after i retired i got in a great shape and i was like oh okay this is this is the mass i needed because i always say mass equals gas you know what i'm saying i need a big ass to throw hard hey you went through the gas era didn't you you went through the gas era i guess right yeah did you know when you were thrown to a guy that was uh eating more needles than actual protein shakes did you know what it was it was uh pretty it was pretty uh obvious

back then because like i said early in my career the guys that weren't doing stuff came in the spring training and got ready during that time and then the guys that were doing whatever they did were working out year-round. So you could see the bodies. You could tell in the bodies they were way different. Yeah. Those balls, too, were going. It was going different. Hey,

I want to let you know, as somebody that's not in the baseball world, and hopefully we become friends. Don't really have many friends in the baseball world, so I just kind of have to compress some guilt for people that might get sick that I don't know. I'm a big proponent of let the boys juice.

You know what I mean? It's not good health-wise. I understand. It's not good long-term. I don't know many of the guys. Hope they're okay, though. Hope they figure it out. But damn, that little run of baseball, when seemingly everybody was juiced to the gills, and the MLB was like, no, you're not.

They're going out there. I mean, it was talking to Toss. So much fun. It was entertaining, man. It was definitely entertaining, for sure. I guess you're on the side of where you hate seeing batters have success. They're changing the ball, right? Now we got a whole new ball, or no?

No, I'm on the side of offense. I hate watching a fucking one-to-nothing game. Who wants to sit at the park and watch nobody score a run? I want to see guys mashing baseballs all over the field. I'm for offense. Yeah, no, I mean, I want to see Judge.

I want to see Otani. I want to see Trout. I want to see these guys going deep. Jordan Alvarez. I want to see the hitters, man. Hey, Shohei I want to see these guys going deep. Jordan Alvarez, like, I want to see the hitters, man. Hey, Shohei's the greatest baseball player of all time. That's crazy. Already happened. The best player to ever play baseball. You think that?

Okay, hold on. Shit, your words mean a lot more than mine. I just say that. Oh, dip shit in the tank top. That doesn't know that. You saying that, though, means a big deal. How could he, like, he's doing stuff, I guess, like Babe Ruth is the closest comparison

because pitching and hitting, but he's passed Babe Ruth, I think, in the pitching department, like, way, way past what he's been able to do, right? Yeah, I mean, and you've got to just look at the caliber of athletes that he's playing against right now. You know, I mean, he's a top-five hitter and he's a top-five pitcher in the league at a time when the players are better than they've ever been. Guys are throwing 105 miles an hour right now. So fast.

You know what I'm saying? Guys are hitting balls further than they've ever hit them, harder than they've ever hit them, and he's the best at all of that. So he's the fastest. He hits the ball the hardest. He throws the ball the hardest. Like, he's playing little league out there he's the he's the best player to ever play seems to be super humble too right doesn't

he yeah he does he does feels like jokage feels like jokage yeah yeah i mean i had a couple conversations with him and super humble but laser focused on and and understands like what he is and what he needs to do to be ready every day to play baseball. It's crazy, man. So you were speaking Japanese to him? Ohio? Absolutely not. But I had Adam Jones with me who played in Japan for three years. So he had a little, he was doing a little translation thing for me. Nice. How do you, do you start with just hello or a longer sentence when it's gone? longer sentence? I never really knew how to operate with the translator. Thankfully, didn't have to utilize it much with teammates. In our sport, it's not a lot of different languages.

Baseball, a lot of different languages happening. Soccer, a lot of different languages happening in the dugout. So I think there's more. Do you go like, hey, how are you doing? I'm a big fan. And then what if translator doesn't deliver it with the proper, you know, what if it's like yeah hey he's a big fan are you watching how the delivery goes or how you always watch how the

delivery goes and you always got to make sure that you're cool with the translator and that make them understand how big of a fan you are you know what i'm saying so you you really talk through the i mean obviously you talk through the translator, but you make them understand how big this is for you, and then they can relay that message. God, you just get one asshole translator. Yeah, exactly. It's over.

This guy said you'll never throw a baseball like this. He said, thank you, have a good day. God, I don't want to say anything. God, I don't want to say anything. That's fucked up, man. Japanese is a completely different language, too. I went over there for the USO. That didn't even sound like you can guess

what the words are. That one's very, very different. Nothing you can pick up, right? Nothing. Have you been over there? No, not yet. Very nice. I would recommend going. I don't know if they love all Americans, you know, because there was some shit that happened way back in the day.

I think there's some people that still view it that way. But I think they love baseball players. They love wrestlers. There's a lot of those types of things. You go over there, though, they don't all speak English. And it is not like the signage for stuff isn't like bathroom this way. The arrows. It is completely.

It's a completely different world. I mean, I've never seen anything like it before. Everybody's a completely different world. I've never seen anything like it before. Everybody's super kind, though. We got very boozed up. There were some penguins walking around. It was a good time. And they created Shohei fucking Ohtani. It's unbelievable. I'm supposed to take the family over first week of

August, so we'll see. You're doing a family vacation to Japan? Family vacation to Japan. When I retired, the Yankees gave me a trip to Japan. My youngest kid is huge into like Japan culture and wants to go to Japan really bad. So the Yankees gave us a trip. Obviously, COVID happened and all that stuff.

So we were thinking about using it this summer. Hell yeah. Hey, your kid's a stud, right? Isn't the kid a stud baseball player? The little one is, but the oldest one, yeah. He's your kid's a stud, right? And the kid is stud baseball player. The little one is, but the oldest one. Yeah. He's a,

he's a freshman at Georgia tech. Now he's in Martha's vineyard playing in the, in the CBL for the summer. So yeah, he's a, he's a stud. So I'm looking forward to seeing him this summer too. What position we pitching?

He plays first base. And he just, he's, he's stick. He's a hitter. I told you, I like to see offense, man.

Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I like you to have success. I don't want you to, I don't want to watch all these boring games. Okay. That's right. You're not told you I like to see offense, man. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I'd like you to have success. I don't want to watch all these boring games. Okay, that's right. You're not going to pitch. You're going to hit the shit.

Look how cool he looks, you see? He's big? Tall? He gets that from his mom. Yeah, yeah. I doubt it. Tone has a question for you. Speaking of CeCe, I love the commercial.

I believe it's with him and you with the VR and the batting using the VR and putting the thing on the actual bat. Like other sports, I don't know how it translates to VR, I believe it's with him and you with the VR and the batting using the VR and putting the thing on the actual bat. Like other sports, I don't know how it translates to VR, but I assume baseball, like are guys actually using the VR to practice? Yeah, you know what? Kids use it a lot. So my kid, my oldest, Karsten, his best friend brought it over one year, like three or four years ago um before one of their big games

they had like a big rivalry game it was their junior year they put the vr thing on and both of them had three or four hits in the game so they like swore by it and then um you know it the year he was a senior they allowed new jersey kids to do nil uh deals the the people that made up that win reality, Oculus Dan O'Dowd was a general manager, the assistant general manager of the Indians when I got drafted. I've known him

since I was 17 years old. Reached out. Me and Carson did the commercial and they came out pretty good. I thought people reacted to him well., me and Carson did the commercial and they came out pretty good. I thought people, you know, reacted to him well. And, you know, for me and him to get to do something together is awesome. And to be honest, these are this is the shit that goes on in our house. Honestly, like these are the conversations that we have. We're always dragging on each other.

So it's a real natural thing for us. Hell, yeah, that's right. That's the right way to do it. That's why the content is so good. I've seen seen that thing it's been marketed for a few years because i've been in that oculus there's a boxing game in there called thrill of the fight and you get in there and you're boxing against a simulated human being tough but it's a full workout i mean it's like the physics of it is real like when you actually punch the guy the thing vibrates and they're punching you back and obviously you don't feel it,

which is the best type of fighting I've ever experienced in my life. No chance of me getting hit. 100% chance of somebody else getting hit. But I'm in their box. I'm getting in good shape. And then there'd be marketing because obviously everything that we have listens to us about virtual reality.

And that win reality thing started getting marketed like two years ago, I think. and it wasn't easy to purchase it wasn't easy to get i think it was like kind of a beta model and then once you like start seeing the videos it's like i think this would potentially translate into actual baseball so what i'm hearing you say is if i get that and i'm fucking you know what i mean i'm hitting dingers maybe you know what I mean? I'm hitting dingers. Maybe I missed out or it'll just translate immediately to the MLB if I get signed.

It might translate. You might be able to go right to double A. Hey, I played in the Frontier League one time, CC. Pulled a hammy and broke my thumb. Yeah. First at bat, jammed, boom, bang, broken thumb. Tried to get to first base, pulled a hammy.

It's a tough sport you guys play. Tough sport. Pac-Man has a question for you. CC, with the pitch count, what do you think the pitchers from when you play and right now, what is the difference? I know it's to speed up the game, but do you think it's a pro or a con as a pitcher? I think I like the pitch clock.

And I think it speeds up the little, you know, garbage stuff in the game. Guys stepping out, adjusting their batters, you know, batters' gloves. You know, the pitcher stepping off and walking around the mound, all those little things just gets them in a better rhythm. And, you know, I heard you guys talking earlier about, you know, pitch counts and Strasburg and all these different guys. I think starters will come back with the pitch clock because I think you can't just.

OK, I don't think you can load up and just throw the ball as hard as you can. You know, get the ball, take 45 seconds, walk around the mound and throw the ball as hard as you can. You're going to have to get in the rhythm and, you know, have a rhythm to your your start. And those that allows you to pitch deep into the game. If you, you know, you watch some of these better starters, they're going six, seven, eight innings now with ease because of the pitch clock. And it's, you know, it's speeding up the hitters

and it's allowing the pitcher to get in a better rhythm. So you'll see the starter come back in like three or four years because of the pitch clock. How scared would you be if this is what you saw? Oh, no no you know what i would just throw it right at your front shoulder yeah well i'm getting out of the way i'm i'm rolling the shoulder like floyd and i'm out there the pitch clock is supposed to change the game though completely has it you think it has it has i mean i think you know if you look at the

game times i think it was you know 319 last year down to 241 247 um that's huge you know, if you look at the game times, I think it was, you know, 319 last year down to 241, 247. That's huge. You know, just being able to just being able to take, you know, the amount of families that I saw at the ballpark, you know, early in the year during the school year, during the week had changed. You know, if you know that the game is a 645, 630 start, you know, the game's going to be over by nine o'clock. 645, 630 start, you know the game's going to be over by 9 o'clock. You'll take your family to the game instead of, you know, the game being over at 10, 1030 on a school night and the kids can't go. So you've seen, you know, families come back.

You've seen attendance go up because of the time of the game. And, you know, even watching games on TV now is a lot better because, you know, of the pitch clock, and it's, you know, two and a half hours. I like that there's potential strategy in there, too, that's only going to grow. You know, anytime you get really high-performing human beings, some sort of constraint or, like, something that gets added in there, they're going to figure it out. You know, like, I'm excited to see which pitchers figure it out,

which batters figure it out. You know, I'm sure there's some batter game that's going to be developed. It's just an added strategy piece, which I think we all enjoy. Last question here. CeCe, thank you so much for your time from Connor. Yeah, CeCe, you talked about your time in New York, and as a Red Sox fan, that was the only time in my life I absolutely hated you. Sorry.

But was there a time where you kind of realized that that rivalry between the Red Sox and the Yankees was a little different? And do you think that it still has kind of the status of what it used to when you were playing? I realized right away, like game one in April 2009, because we had signed all these guys. I came in, AJ came in, Nick Swisher came in, Tex came in. So we were the favorites to, you know, be good and win these guys. I came in, AJ came in, Nick Swisher came in, Tex came in. So we were the favorites to be good and win the division. We hadn't got

off to a great start. And I show up to my very first start in Fenway as a Yankee. And it's like a playoff. It's like a World Series start. It's like April 25th. You know what I'm saying? So right away, you get the gravity of what this

rivalry is. I loved it. I loved being right in the middle of that when it's intense, when it's fights, when it's guys throwing at Josh Beckett throwing at Derek Jeter, so now I'm hitting the big poppy. That's all.

I love being in that and a part of that. you feed off of that when you go to fenway um when they come into yankee stadium you know it's gonna be a dog fight and the thing about those games are they're never over like we can be up nine to nothing in the third inning in fenway and we still we're still in the dugout like we need to get these outs we need to you know big pop we can't let big pop we can't let moookie get on base or like all these different strategies in a nine and nothing game you know what I mean so it's uh it's fun to play in that rivalry and I think it's always going to have the prestige of you know being sports top rivalry and I think you know it goes in waves I feel like

I feel like right now the Yankees biggest biggest rival is Tampa, but as soon as Boston comes back and has some good players and get right back up at the top of the division, then it'll be right back there. Shit talk is back completely. I love that. You said, you know, now I've got to throw a big poppy. Is that just something that's just understood? Does anybody have to tell?

Nobody has to tell you, like, hey, yeah, you saw what happened, so you know what we gotta do? Or is that just kind of like something that's just understood? Nah, most people will always tell me like, okay, you've seen what happened, so please don't do it right now. And I'll be like, nah, fuck that, I'm hitting the next person right now.

It was always like, see, we know, but can you please, we need you to stay in the game. I'd be like, no, they hit my guy, I need to hit their guy. And the one time that I used that example of Jeter and Big Papi, so they hit Jeter, I hit Big Papi, and after the game, Big Papi texted me on my phone, because me and him are really close. We always have been.

He texted me. He was like, that's the way you do it. That's the way you protect your teammates, blah, blah, blah, blah. So he understood the rivalry just as much as I did, and that's what made it fun. I love the fact that you – oh, you're going to hit our guys when I'm on the – okay. You hit one of my guys.

I'm coming right back. Yeah. Oh, you hit Jeter. Yeah, big mistake. Okay, where is the – Bobby's four down. All right, we will – you we will wait we will wait we wrote this whole thing whenever you're is it shoulder are you back what is the when you're aiming at

somebody middle finger fastball what is the thought because obviously very fucking dangerous you hit a guy in the head can't have that yeah no it was it was always for me it was always lower i would always try to hit you like like in your shins or your knees or somewhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a bone somewhere. I don't want to get, like, a meeting spot. Like, I'm trying to get somewhere where it's, like, a bone somewhere. Yeah, smart.

Hey, listen, not going to kill him, but also, they're going to remember me. You're going to kill, right? You're going to do it, do it. Hey, we appreciate you, man. Good luck tonight. Third season of MLB Tonight Clubhouse Edition. It'll be at 7 p.m. on the MLB Network. CeCe will be hosting.

And once again, can't stress this enough, Paul Wall. Yeah. Paul Wall. Hey, he's still doing it. You're just friends with Paul Wall? Is that how that works? Oh, yeah. That's my guy.

So he's a big Astros fan. So we thought he'd have him on. Tell him we need another song yes we need at least one more like a retirement song or something and tell him thank you for all the years he kind of got us through in the college age what a legend ladies and gentlemen just like you cc sabbath from natick in ohio might be an alien this man has accomplished so much in his life he's a college football national champion he's a super bowl champion he's won at the rider From Nattuck in Ohio. Might be an alien. This man has accomplished so much in his life. He's a college football national champion.

He's a Super Bowl champion. He's won at the Ryder Cup. He's the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. He's currently the reigning, defending, undisputed, shout out to Paul Heyman, champion of the state of Ohio, COVID survivor, father of 10, potential extraterrestrial. Agent Hawk. Yay! AJ, see this video just made its way on the internet.

What the fuck's going on? I did. Why do we have video of the craft falling, but we don't have any video of the 8 to 10 foot beam that these people claim they saw? Because they only had a wired in phone in the kitchen. Landline. Yeah, landline. They didn't have the, They actually had the nine,

one, dial it up, one, and then there's a thing. They tried to get their Polaroids, but they couldn't get it fast enough. Bingo. They tried to shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, and then once they shook it too hard, it was shook

too much. It was gone. Eight foot. So anyways, too much. It was gone. Eight foot. Anyways, that's happening. Also in sports, Joker just buried. Joker and Jamal Murray just buried the Miami Heat last night. Now, Spolstra and the boys are talking about effort afterwards. This is the same conversation that

the Nuggets were having after game two, after they lost at home. I think the effort thing could potentially be fatigue as well. We are very deep into this NBA season. Remember, they have played a full NBA season already and then almost a whole other one in this playoff series, especially the Miami Heat who have gone to game seven, game seven, playing game, playing game, and they're all the way here.

You could be potentially tired. But Larry O'Brien trophy does not care if you're tired. You're going to have to earn this thing. You're not going to get it handed to you. It feels like the Nuggets are going to win their first A.J. Hawk. Yeah, it does. I mean, what happens next game, I guess. I was hoping for the Heat to win this one, but man,

I don't know. It just feels like Denver's too good. Joker's too good. He facilitates everything. I don't know. They're a special team. Are they going to be able to keep this core team around for a while? Because I think Denver could be a problem for the future. I think we get them on TV during the season,

so maybe we can poke in and go, oh, that's the fucking champions right there. Oh, okay. Oh, the champions are fun. Makes sense. It does make sense. They got a 6'11 guy who runs like he's 5'11. Why is that person doing that? Why is that human able to do that?

No other humans at his size are able to do that for a sustained amount of time. What is going on with that thing? How? That's an anomaly. That's a specialty. The fuck is that thing? And then that's like what I want to watch sometimes, which is why this video out of Vegas.

He's almost eight feet tall as well. AJ, I know you want to talk about the alien video. Okay? We get it. We get it. Okay? They're real. I don't really care too much about aliens one way or the other.

What? I feel a bit crazy that this happens May 1st and we're just hearing it now. You think of the age of the internet, that hits us instantly. We know hours later. Well, we might have seen it. Remember, my birthday was May 2nd. True. May 4th.

Yeah. You know what I mean? A lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff that's happened in our internet. You know, sports have happened. Of course. Playoffs. Maybe that's it.

We missed it. Maybe. But also, what if they men in black to everybody's shit yeah right away a 30 day that would be so sweet if we found out that was real like how sweet would that be so cool i'm walking in there and they have the fucking boo-boo and i'm like oh i've seen this movie i shut my eyes right yeah exactly just shut your eyes yep what if you what if you wink at him he's like oh we only got to be one way Yeah you only lose half That wouldn't be good

Everything's kind of faded You fucks ever see a guy do this Half of it Are we the right people to have a conversation with extraterrestrials I think so I think we're the ones right Or Elon since he's from there We the ones dude

I think so We would like to formally be the show That gets to talk to said alien Aren't we? Or Elon, since he's from there. We the ones that? I think so. The bloodline. We would like to formally be the show that gets to talk to said alien that arrives here whenever it arrives. We would like the most athletic one so that we can kind of bond over. Sure, for sure. Athletics and sports. But still, I can't play. I'm sorry.

Let's dive into some sport, actually. Dalvin Cook has been released from the Vikings. Wow. It's a big deal, AJ, because right now in the running back free agency market, there. Dalvin Cook has been released from the Vikings. Wow. This is a big deal, AJ, because right now, in the running back free agency market, there is Dalvin Cook, stud, and there's Ezekiel Elliott,

stud. These are two names that are not only good football players, but superstars at the running back position who are currently available to go play elsewhere.

The reports for Dalvin Cook market are Denver Broncos, Sean Payton going to bring in, and maybe, huh, his hometown Miami Dolphins. He has tweeted some videos of highlights, retweeted stats about himself this morning on his Twitter account. One of them was like expensive payday play, something like that. And it was a

touchdown against the Miami Dolphins, a 53-yard touchdown against the Miami Dolphins. Now, he obviously was a major part of the biggest comeback in NFL history against the Indianapolis Colts, where 11 people weren't able to tackle one man who had their hands on him. What a run. 33-0 at halftime. This is the 53-yarder that he posted. He said, expensive player, whatever, with the number four on there.

And I don't know if he's just saying that to be like, hey, I am still that guy, to say that I have a 53-yard breakthrough to second level, not get caught level, and still score a touchdown, which is a knock on some running backs. Do they have home run speed? Can they break through and finish? Dalvin Cook can still do that. And he's a veteran and understands what defenses are going to do, how to set up blocks.

He's a fucking dog, by all accounts. I'm excited to see what other teams other than those two are interested, how to set up blocks. He's a fucking dog by all accounts. I'm excited to see what other teams other than those two are interested, A.J. Hawk. I am too. He's only 27 years old. If you don't know that and you sit there and listen to how they talk about him, you'd think he's 100. Yeah, they're all, you know, vets get up in age

and people don't really want to pay him or whatever. I get they devalue this position, but I hope he gets a good little – I hope he finds a team that he can win with and gets a good deal. But I would imagine there's plenty of teams that want him. I don't know if there's going to be a good deal, Pac, and I'm a little bit worried about that. Incentive-laden, obviously.

We know that. Yeah, certainly, but also, like, how big even incentive-laden? Like, I hope they get paid. But with Zeke out there and with Dalvin and with the way they view – and you're talking about how people talk about he's like a 50-year-old. That's because that's how they view the running back position. It's just like kind of a knock on the entire position as a whole. I don't think Dalvin Cook deserves that. Yeah, and Dalvin is a

little bit different than Zeke. Zeke, his last couple years have been a little down. He got hurt. That's why he's not on the roster right now. But even going through all that, he still got $2 million that the Vikings got to pay him. So wherever he goes, he's got wiggle room to go ball out for one year and go back and get paid.

Another proof of you for Dalvin Cook. But then after another year, they'll say, look how old this guy is. Even older. 28 years old. And you can kind of get put in that cycle, which is just a running back position, which sucks. We're not happy about it. That is reality, though. You know what I mean, AJ?

Who was Andrew Brandt? I think I read a tweet from him earlier, like either you franchise tag or you move on from vets. They're like the time of giving these dudes long-term deals. Like, I don't know who's the next running back that's going to get a long-term extension. And to tie this entire running back conversation together, I saw a video of Saquon Barkley earlier training,

and obviously he got franchise tagged by the Giants, and allegedly that got a little bit ugly, especially because they paid Daniel Jones all the money. Saquon he got franchise tagged by the giants and allegedly that got a little bit ugly especially because they paid daniel jones all the money saquon's then franchise tagged and in daybo's mind and everybody's eyes over there okay we got the entire team back that was playing great football saquon that was not happy about it feels like he has earned at least a long term contract or a little bit more money than the franchise tag was and then he puts out a video he's clearly still training he clearly looks great and i would assume every time he's doing any of these reps he's thinking to himself one more year till generational wealth and that's why you know people the franchise tag is a lot of guaranteed money at

one time okay he's getting like 10 million bucks guaranteed or something like that that's great okay that's absolutely great a lot of money if anybody was to get paid 10 million bucks they'd be fucking pumped yeah okay but does that take care of your family for the rest of your life? If this is your profession, how long can you work for? Is it game-changing money like Daniel Jones just got, who's at a completely different position? Will you be able to ever earn that? Because the position you play and the timing we are in the NFL,

he seemingly is running to go get it. And if he's another man on a mission, which I assume the Giants are hoping for, he's going to be a fucking problem. But he is still not getting a long-term deal. No, no. And he's Saquon Barkley. And he's young. And they're talking about him like he's old.

Yeah, what's the Giants, like the future plans for him? They want to just, hey, ride it out on this franchise year and then see you? Is that the plan? So I was trying to think of that as well. So when I was watching that video, I was taking a dump right over there. Okay.

Nice. Good to know. And that video popped up all right and i'm watching like holy fuck this guy he is so freak of me he's so jocked and then i was thinking of his mindset through like some of the workouts he was doing where like what's he saying to himself before he's doing all these reps you know is he like fuck the giants you know i mean is it one of those things possible or is it like okay you've worked this long through your entire life to get to a big ass payday one more year you know like is he like finding energy and motivation through the thought that they still want me to prove myself one more year and that's kind of driving them and then i thought to myself why is this guy gonna prove himself again and if Giants, I mean, it's a valid question, right?

Very. Because he's been hurt. He got hurt. They sucked. Bad. You know what I mean? This is the first year Dayball had an offense last year. And at the end, they seemingly had it kind of figured out.

And Saquon was definitely a weapon for them. But you can see how the Giants maybe go, let's see if he can still one more year. Let's see if we can get one more year out of this, which I guess would be a natural bet. But I think if he balls out, I think they give him money next year personally the giants i think the giants i think they want to see if he can stay healthy because he got hurt came back played a couple games got hurt again like this is his first full season um this year so i like what the giants did as far as a business move now if he come back and ball out i think you give him a learning gotta pay him gotta pay him Gotta pay him. And so many running backs.

He's only, what, 24? He's 26. Bro, they're talking about him like he's old. Yeah, he's 26 and he'll be 27. So even if he does ball out this year and he's 27 next year, like, oh, this guy, 27 years old. That's crazy, AJ, if that's happening. Go ahead, Connor. And with what happened with Eckler. Like, Eckler, also, you can make the

argument he definitely deserved an extension, but instead they gave him $2 million in incentives. The running back position just isn't what it is, and for Saquon, I'd be pretty pissed, too, if your backup in college, Miles Sanders, got a payday before you did, because I believe he got $30 million or so from the Panthers.

It's a success, though, somewhere else. High success, great success, obviously. But imagine if in that one-per-club meeting, Jim Mercer's like, boys, because he's running the meetings now. He's talking about the commander sale. Does he have a guitar to get the crowd together? Roger, tell us about international growth. Roger does the whole thing.

And then, oh, AJ. Oh, boy. AJ didn't want to hear about the one per club meetings. That's not supposed to be it. Well, the aliens probably had his house. But what if in a one per club meeting they said, what position are we all paying too much? And we need to stop running back.

Okay. All right. Hear, hear? Hear. Deal. Because it does feel that way. It feels like everybody in the NFL has the same exact viewpoints. Now, granted, the Carolina Panthers paid Christian McCaffrey.

And then the San Francisco 49ers trade for Christian McCaffrey, and they're still paying him that deal, and Christian McCaffrey got paid a lot of fucking money. Christian McCaffrey deserves it. He's throwing touchdowns, catching touchdowns, doing absolutely everything, but it does feel like, and A.J. Hawk has found connection again. It seems like in that one per club meeting, there's a chance

that everybody's saying, hey, we're not paying these running backs anymore. Doesn't it feel that? Like, everybody's on the same page that you don't need to pay a running back when back in the day it was like that was a position focal point of the salary cap. It's a crazy kind of development. I just don't know why it's – why has it happened this way? Why have they devalued the position?

Why is it like running back by committee we're scared to give a guy a four- or five-year deal? Well, and it seems like now, like you look at the draft, like we used to always talk about, okay, we're not picking running backs anymore but then this year a couple guys get taken in the first round at like high picks i mean i think it was like seven and twelve it's almost like they're more okay now with drafting running back higher and then just not giving him a second deal ever it's like hey we'll get this guy's you know while he's got next to no miles on him we'll get his best years and then when it comes time to give him a new contract, we'll just let him go.

And, like, they're more okay doing that than getting an established guy and paying him for a second contract. This is almost like there's a chance that analytics kind of get into this. It's like running back's best years are right here. So if you can get a good one, yes, great here. And then don't pay him ever again. I think the league is changing, though. It used to be smash-mouth football.

Like, everybody's not playing smash-mouth football. Like, you can go, all right, Pittsburgh, they are. Cleveland, they playing a little smash-mouth football. Atlanta, San Francisco. Atlanta, San Francisco. Everybody else is three wide, you know. It's fast-paced offense. So you can go plug pretty much anybody in the running back spot right now

and without paying them a lot of money that can be produced. Just got to be able to catch, right? Yeah. Well, and the team Ty mentioned too, like they got rid of, the Lions got rid of DeAndre Swift instead of paying him, and then they drafted Jameer Gibbs in that first round. So it is kind of the – I don't know if you're seeing the highlights out of training kit.

He's an absolute dog. Yeah. Herb Street just texted me the Jameer Gibbs highlight from today where he shook the shit out of some linebacker. He's going to be so good. Herbstreet heard all the Lions fans telling him. Herbie was like, this is a great pick. This guy's unbelievable. Lions fans

were burying Kirk Herbstreet. Herbstreet was getting fucking murdered by these people. MCDC has said, we didn't draft a running back. We drafted a weapon because he's going to be in the pass game. He'll be out in the slot. They're so creative with their offense.

I'm like so, so excited to see this guy play. Herbie literally sent me a thing. He said, did you see this? This guy's seemingly a dog good for him.

And the young running backs might be just so damn good. And it might be like dime a dozen type thing, which is not cool. Dalvin Cook is always going to be special. But when it comes to the business

and who's getting the money, I mean, that's certainly a whole different conversation. Joining us now is a man who serves all the money. We've been watching this guy do his thing a long time. Long time. So long. I don't know if he knows how much we've been watching him do his thing. What?

He is obviously, was the voice for LeBron James for a long, long time. That's right. LeBron James' career coming into the NBA was like, this is the chosen one. This is the guy. And one of the mouthpieces of the story of the guy was this guy. And we all said, holy shit, who is this guy?

And this guy, every single day, great energy, great insight, seemingly fair whenever he was talking about a lot of things. That rose him up the ranks at ESPN so much so that he was a part of every studio shows. And this fucking thing came into existence and then gets used literally every single day on the internet. Ladies and gentlemen, ESPN NBA analyst, Brian Windhorst.

Yeah, Wendy! What's up, Wendy? We've been watching your ass, pal. Well, thank you for having me. I just got to say real quick, I'm in the presence of greatness. Not you, Pat. Mr. A.J. Hawk. Hell yeah. A.J. is such a pleasure to be able to say to you, you are one of my favorite football players of all time.

Here we go. I don't know if your viewers and listeners know how much of a badass this dude was at Ohio State. I grew up and still am an Ohio State fan. Absolutely loved watching you play. I am still – you were wrong in not getting the Butkus Award. It was bull. Bullshit. And it was because – what?

Because you lost to Penn State? Why? And so I had to give it to Plovesky? I mean, he's a fine player. It's not fair. I was angry then. I'm not over it now. I mean, obviously, now you're washed up. You do this on the side, but when you were playing,

you played. You're one of my favorite players of all time. I don't normally say stuff like this, but my God, thank you for all those spectacles. I don't care about the Packers. Thank you, Mr. A.J. Hawk, for your greatness as a Buckeye. I will now listen to you, Pat. Sorry. No, no. Thank you, Mr. AJ Hawk, for your greatness as a Buckeye. I will now listen to you, Pat.

Sorry. No, no. Thank you very much. Big fan of you as well. So, yes, I appreciate it. Thank you for all the great information you give us on everything going on around basketball, too. Hell, yeah.

Thank you, guys. All right. Love fest, love fest, love fest. Okay, let's continue to love fest. Wendy, I'm sure you know this because you're an Ohio State fan, and everything that you just said we all agree with, including the entire state of Ohio. He's the current champion of Ohio. Do you know A.J. Hawk is the current Ohio champion.

Ohio State had an entire fucking to-do. We're talking hundreds of people. So many. Stage, podium. Dinner. Coach's clinic. Coach's clinic. Wendy.

That's not true. He got awarded a trophy he is the champion of fucking ohio right now oh hi there it is boom that is real i had to give an acceptance speech he is the ohio's finest award recipient which means he's the president of ohio yeah he's the president of ohio so we appreciate you pointing that out. And you're right. He, not only with Puz Lesney at Penn State, when he got in the NFL, he was in the same division as like Erlacher and Briggs and a couple other people. So that big-headed Ohio fuck over there has never gotten his true due when it comes to football. So anytime you want to do that, we appreciate it.

And let's dive into a little bit of basketball here, shall we, Wendy? So let's talk about last night. And I believe this is 100% your fault, but it's not your fault. Let me explain. You're so electrifying on TV that whatever you're covering, ESPN feels the need to cover. So, for instance, in the West, we're always learning about LeBron and what's going on with the Lakers, obviously. Golden State, they're in the middle of a dynastic run. Got to talk about Steph Curry.

Got to talk about Klay. Holy shit, the Phoenix Suns with this new owner who's fighting players. They also got Kevin Durant, and they got Chris Paul who's on the way out. But they got a Devin Booker squad down there, superstars. This Denver Nuggets team, we heard nothing about. They're controlling this thing now. Obviously, they lose game two, and Jimmy Butler and Spolstra are going to do their thing. This Denver denver nuggets team has been like this all season

is the same exact style of play all season or is this a different team for the playoffs that none of us got to see because they weren't really highlighted in the west yeah well they're not on tv that much that's true they're not even on tv in the local market very much if you want the honest uh situation don't like that. People who complain about them not getting attention, yes, they don't get as much attention as the Lakers, but Jokic won two MVPs. You can't win two MVPs and be overlooked. I'm sorry.

You can't have both. Either you're overlooked or you win the MVP, not both. So obviously we've known that this guy is a stud. When they traded for Aaron Gordon two years ago, they made this mid-season trade for Aaron Gordon. It was like when the Warriors got Andre Guadagla, if you remember that like seven, eight years ago. Out of the Sixers, yeah.

And all of a sudden they were like studs. That happened when they traded for Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon was not like a high-profile player, but he was like the last piece they needed. They won like nine out of ten games and people were like, whoa. Maybe the Nuggets are going to like maybe win the title this year.

And then bam. Because they had been in the conference finals the year before in the bubble, which I know nobody wants to count, but they got there. Then Jamal Murray blows his ACL. And all of a sudden their hopes are crushed. And he doesn't come back the following year. And so really they were kind of in suspended animation

even though they were right there. And so it's easy to kind of forget about them. And then Jamal Murray started this year and he wasn't great. Like the last time we kind of saw him, he was awesome in the bubble and he just wasn't great at the start of this year. So they were winning, but they were like,

eh, I don't know if they're going to be good enough. And there were so many teams in the West that had like all these dynamic duos and stuff. And so basically like about mid season, Jamal Murray started playing and these guys were killer at home. Like you pretty much couldn't lay a glove on them at home. And so Yoko just putting up these numbers, but people were, people were going, look, you put these numbers the last two years, they couldn't get out of the first round. Murray's just okay.

Like, do we really think that they're going to go take off again? We just didn't. You know, they finished – like, I know now they look great. They finished the regular season 12-11. I think after the All-Star break, they went 12-11. And they kicked some games at the end because they rested their guys. But it wasn't like they hit the postseason, like, winning 16-17. Like, oh, my God. You know, they hit the postseason, like winning 16 of 17. Like, oh, my God.

You know, they hit the postseason looking like they were a little vulnerable. But they have absolutely hit their stride. They're awesome offensively, obviously. They were awesome offensively all year long. And now when Jokic and Murray, like, are real revved up like they were last night, it's really hard to think you're going to be able to beat them 4 out of 7. At this point, you're now looking at able to beat them 4 out of 7. At this point, you're now looking at having to beat them 4 out of

5, or I mean 3 out of 4. That's a big ask. I don't think so. Yeah, it's going to be tough. Joker's a dog, bro. Jamal Murray, thank you for that. That was a great little recent history lesson right there. Because from Bubble, we remember Jamal Murray just shooting at a bigger hoop than everybody else. So, I mean,

that was a nice recent history trip. Thank you for that. Go ahead, AJ. Wendy, what are you hearing on the whole Ja Morant front? I know they're going to announce it after the finals, I guess, but what do you think is going to happen there? Yeah, so the NBA, you know, did their investigation. I'm fairly certain that Adam Silver had another meeting with Ja.

I don't know if it was in person like the time before. And so Adam Silver is sending very strong signals repeatedly that there's going to be a significant suspension coming. I'm going to be honest with you right now. I don't know what it's going to be. And I'm not even 100% sure that the NBA has made up their mind, but I see people leaping to conclusions like, oh, he's getting a season.

Like, you know, he's, you know, because the thing that adam said was it's not so much that he had a gun where it was legal or not and it was a matter of um breaking a law he said it's a matter of gun safety so he basically is saying i don't care what state he was in i don't care about any of that we're gonna have to send a message on gun safety secondly i'm fairly certain that when they met the first time, when he suspended Jha for eight games, he kind of told him, let's not have this happen again. And then he went and had it happen again.

I think that's what everybody's kind of reading into the tea leaves is like, Adam Silver's like, I'm disappointed. It's not really like, hey, this is breaking protocol. It's like, I thought when we talked, he was being genuine to me about wanting to change and kind of how we went about this whole last punishment and then all of a sudden here we are just a couple months later and it's completely different it's almost like you disappointed the guy that seemingly gets along with the entire league in adam silver and i think that's why everybody thinks it's going to be so

heavy-handed but damn it we hope joff figures it out yeah windy we need joff he's good for sport right now thank you for saying that because the the NBA needs him for the next decade. This can't define his career. He is a stud. He's attracting eyeballs to the league. And, guys, take a look at this league. You see guys like Steph Curry, LeBron James, Kevin Durant. And then there's a gap.

There's some international guys, but this is not to be offensive to Nikola Jokic. He doesn't draw the moths to the flame. He doesn't draw the eyeballs. They need a guy like Joss. So I don't think it's going to be a season-long suspension. I would be surprised if it's even half of a season.

I think it'll be some big chunk of games, and it will be called strike two. Do not test Adam Silver on strike three. But the one thing that we've seen about Adam Silver, he is softer on player discipline, vastly softer than David Stern. So a 30-game suspension from Adam Silver would almost be like a season-long suspension under David Stern.

So you've got to keep that in mind. Okay, so, yeah, proper proportion there. This is what Silver would have done. This is what O'Cuzz would have done. Stern would have done. Kind of got to meet in the middle. We hope Ja learns from this and keeps it going. And yeah, the league needs him because let's talk about those superstars

at the top of that. It's kind of an older generation. Now, who knows how long all of them will play, but it is the generation that has carried the NBA and has taken the NBA to new heights both businesswise, as the players negotiate a lot with the league, and, you know, ratings-wise and into this next era of what the NBA is. LeBron James, obviously, has been at the forefront of that entire thing, and you have followed him since high school, I think, is how the relationship goes.

And I think there was a story down at the bubble where I think Austin Rivers told the story about how there was one team that didn't show up because of COVID. So they had a big meeting on whether or not they were going to play and risk it with COVID at the state. This is before the bubble tournament even starts. And there was a couple of players that went up there and like gave speeches. And it sounded like a players only meeting in the NFL where every person is the smartest person on earth. They come from a tougher environment than everybody else. And everybody needs to work harder.

And then, boom, next person's coming up. It's like, all right, this guy sucks at football, but I guess we've got to listen to him talk. Okay, here we go. It sounded like that's how that meeting was going. And then the punter. Then the punter comes up. No, I never talk.

I'm sitting. I'm doing what I'm doing right now, just judging. That ain't how this whole thing goes. But then Adonis has them, I guess, one up from the Miami Heat. And he said, he looked at LeBron allegedly and said, you playing? If you're playing, we're all playing. If you're not playing, none of us are fucking playing.

And they just walked away. It's like LeBron has been considered seemingly from outside looking in as the leader of the NBA, both the players, the business, the Lakers, everything like that. He floated out. Maybe he was going to think about retiring from it. That would be a massive shot to everything, I think, in the NBA. Was that just like a bird call to people to maybe put a little bit more respect on his name,

to maybe stop taking it for granted that we get to watch him? Or how do you take him saying that? And how much longer do you think we have of this LeBron James run as a man who has literally covered him deeper than anybody else? Well, it definitely surprised me. It surprised the league. I think it surprised even some of the people at the Lakers. I will point something out.

He went into the press conference with the intention to say it because LeBron, for decades now, whenever they announce a last question, last question, LeBron loves giving walk-off statements. One of his favorite things to do in press conferences is give a little jab on his way out the door. He's done it literally 100, 200 times. I'm reading a new book, and then he gets out of there. That's a whole other-

I saw it, amigos, and then he gets out of there. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, not exactly, but the next level is what you're talking about yeah uh not exactly but you're you're the the next level is what you're talking about oh yeah yeah i drew taco tuesday yeah right we can finally say yeah yeah got it got it yeah but you're right on the way out there's always a nugget yeah uh well but i'll bet taco bell it's a that's i'll bet that was a nice check that he picked up for doing taco bell so i think if i had to guess windy and you know him better than me i'm not sure there's any checks that he's picking up that aren't nice yeah right i mean yeah so like

there's levels to lebron like if you want him to like sort of do an ig post this is one price if you want him to like be seen like walking past your restaurant on tmz that's another price if you want him to actually take time out of his day and film and say, and scream taco Tuesday, I think it starts at eight figures. Thank you very much. Used to do it for free. Nah,

getting paid for it. Right. And you're a man who knows about eight figures. If I'm, if I'm not mistaken. So my apologies. Yeah. Yeah.

All good. All good. I'm just, yeah, I was talking about on a yearly basis, but I don't want to make any assumptions. So anyway, when he hears last question,

he knows that now is the time where I can have my little moment. And so here's last question does not get asked about retirement at all. And then just sort of drops that little bomb and walks off and is like okay i'll talk to you in october you know and so he specifically wanted to say those words he specifically wanted to create the uh you know what happened after it and so the fact that he had to happen where it didn't happen organically i think he was trying to send a little message having Having said that, I do respect that at the end of this particular season, he was worn out. And I do think we are getting to the point in LeBron's career where he's probably going to go year to year. But I am always going to judge

pro athletes more on actions than words. And his actions are that he has set his contract up to have two more years. One year at $47 million with the Lakers for next season, where I expect them to still be very highly competitive. And then an option year for the big 5-0. You know, LeBron getting a $50 million check, which would happen in his option year, which he can take. Or if his son, Bronny, is ready to come into the league and it's not going to be in L.A., he can opt out of that contract

and look if he wants to play with him. It looks to me that he's lining up for two more years. And I think that's probably still going to be the plan. And I haven't heard another peep about retirement. So that's the situation. Speaking of the Lakers, Ty, I have a question for you, Wendy. Yeah, Wendy, there was a report, I think, from Chris Haynes that said the Suns are basically getting rid of Chris Paul. They're not bringing him back. And I think that has since been refuted by maybe Woj and someone else. Do you know anything about that?

What is the Chris Paul situation? Because they said Lakers, maybe Clippers. If the Lakers were to get Chris Paul, do you think that moves the needle at all and kind of pushes them a little bit closer in terms of competition with the Nuggets in the West? Yeah, so in talking to folks in Phoenix, there's basically three options, and this is actually kind of an odd NFL angle.

You know that NBA contracts can't be renegotiated, really. It is what it is. Well, Chris Paul actually has the option to get waived by the Suns, get half of his salary, which would be $15 million, and then sign back for the NBA minimum, which is about $3 million. And so that's a way he could play for the Suns this year for $18 million instead of $30 million.

And by reducing that salary by $12 million, it could enable the Suns to add some more players. That is one option. Wow. Another option is – Who decides that? Chris there? Chris deciding that or the Suns deciding that?

Nope. The Suns – well, the Suns – Chris has got to decide whether he wants to re-sign. So that $3 million thing, Chris would decide he wanted to do that? Chris there? Chris decides that or the Suns decide that? Well, the Suns, Chris has got to decide whether he wants to re-sign. So that $3 million thing, Chris would decide he wanted to do that? Do they want him though? Yeah, that's on the table. Reduce price? I think they would love to have him because if they reduce their salary,

they would have the same player. For less money, they could add another player or two. Okay, so that's on Chris. Another option is wave me outright. Sayonara. Have a nice day. I'm going to go somewhere else. Then option three would be not wave him and pay him the $30 million.

When they met with Chris Paul yesterday, they laid this out to him. And they haven't made up their mind yet, but they're probably going to end up waving him for a couple of reasons. One, because they can add more players. Two, because he's not a $30 million player anymore, to be honest with you. They've just got to be honest. It's actually $30.2 million. And so what I think Chris would prefer is to be waived like today. Because if he's going to be waived, he'd like to have the opportunity to look

around, have other teams potentially be able to position to go for him. And I think the Suns are going to be like, let's just wait for the date we have to decide, which is June 29th, because maybe we'll make another trade. This is all in the weeds. Long story short, I think he's going to be a free agent. But that's not going to happen today. It's probably going to happen in about three weeks. I can't see Chris Paul not playing in Los Angeles or Phoenix.

L.A. is where his family is. L.A. is where he wants to be. You can come up with seven other is where he wants to be. You can come up with seven other teams where he would be great. LA makes a lot of sense. And not just the Lakers or the Clippers, but the Clippers have Russell Westbrook. Maybe they want him back. Maybe they're interested in the Chris Paul reunion. When Chris Paul is making $30 million, you're like, hmm, I don't know about that. But Chris Paul at 3 million, or maybe he can get a little bit more depending on how he gets, but Chris Paul for 3 to 5 million,

that's a completely different dynamic. Now you're talking about a guy who would be a massively valuable player. Even at 18 million, which is what the Suns would have if they waived him and re-signed him, it's palatable. So you look at the Lakers, their point guard position is kind of up in the air. They have D'Angelo Russell where they could re-sign. He did not play well in the conference finals. They eventually kind of yanked him from the lineup at the end. Chris Paul obviously has injury issues, but if you're paying him $3 million,

it's a different expectation that you're paying him $30 million. Yeah, he's loved in L.A. We know that. We were obviously there for the Clippers Suns game in LA. And the conversations he had after the game seemed to be all the people that matter there at that arena. You know what I mean?

The conversations he was like full-dap, embrace having. He was like, oh, this fucking guy's plugged in with everybody. And people like him. He's one of the most powerful men in professional sports not not just the nba in professional sports yeah that's because his work with the mbpa right like he's a massive reason for a lot of these contracts that's why that 15 million plus three million dollar deal as you're kind of laying out like this is not

normal this is that but it's like chris paul's a fucking business He's like best friends with the chairman of Disney, who is minorly powerful, Bob Iger. So all Bob Iger and Chris Paul did was create the bubble together. That's just that little thing. Is that something? I don't know. You tell us. Pac-Man has a question for you, Wendy. I hate to go back to the Lakers, Wendy, but AD.

Do the Lakers sign AD, or do he go somewhere else? They have to. He's eligible for a contract extension in August, I think like August 4th, and they have to. And I know that AD frustrates fans sometimes because he sometimes gets hurt and he sometimes doesn't show up offensively. He has one good game, one bad game. The idea of Anthony Davis potentially being a free agent in a year, especially with LeBron

one certain future, Lakers don't want that. Even if they decide someday they want to retrofit their team, you want to have him in the fold. It'll be a big, huge, I think $100-plus million extension. They've got to

do their work this summer to put their team together, and then they've got to try to get Anthony Davis locked down. And we'll see, I would suspect he would want to take it because last time around, he took the longest contract possible because he knows he's fragile. But that's like one of the big things in this summer, the Lakers have to get done. It won't happen in July.

It'll happen later in the summer. No, he just, he's big and athletic. So things have, he knows he's fragile. Jesus Christ. And then he said, I know fans get upset because he gets hurt and he's

inconsistent and he's up and down. You know, he gets up and down. Wendy, you're hating him. AJ has one, obviously, but follow up on Anthony Davis. I think I just learned this recently. He's like really hard on himself. Is that real? Like they say, like he gets like gets like very very very down on himself sometimes I mean maybe it doesn't

always come off that way that's why I was surprised when I heard it I was very surprised about that I did I didn't know that was the case well you know he there was that moment that night that LeBron broke the record if you remember like he was sort of away from the team. By the way, that was one of the coolest nights I experienced in the last seven or eight years. I wasn't sure how that was going to be, being there that night, because the LeBron relationship with LA is

good, but it's not bonded. I wasn't sure, because I've seen he would have other milestones, and they would announce it, and would be like a tepid clap. Thank you. Bring out the Laker girls. But that arena was absolutely, totally engrossed in every dribble that night.

I thought it was an awesome experience. And AD was sort of just like completely out to lunch. And people were like, what's going on? And that was one of those situations where AD was just in a bad spot and he would focus on himself. And, you know, so I do think that there's some truth to that, but like, everybody who's been Anthony Davis's teammate or coach for the last decade has wanted Anthony Davis to be the beast that we know he can be every day.

And that just is not who he is. It's not who he is. It's not who he's going to be next month. It's not who he's going to be next month. It's not who he's going to be in three years. He is going to be inconsistent, and he's going to be a guy that if you don't have, you wish you did. That's just the truth of the matter. Go ahead, AJ. Why don't you think LeBron, you say he has a good connection

with the L.A. people, the L.A. fans. Why has he not crossed over to kind of really connect with everybody there? Bonded. Because he's not kobe number one uh number two you know kobe passed away tragically while lebron was there and that only bonded the city to him to kobe more and it was almost like well you you're not kobe and when he won the title when he fulfilled the destiny it happened in the bubble the laker fans weren't there to to to to sort of

take part in it he didn't get like full credit for that championship um and so he isn't the laker legend that i think he would love to be considered like i think he would love to know that his number was going to be retired that they would put a statue out there i'm not sure he's there you know maybe if they were able to get you know back to the finals or get one more. This year, if they'd have been able to pull this off and upset the Nuggets, which, sadly, they weren't even close to doing, it would have been an all-time Laker accomplishment from the play-in to the finals.

He didn't win. He, at home, didn't even do it. Laker girls were there. Everybody was there. He didn't matter. He'd have won a game. I mean, just at least win one. Yeah.

We didn't think the NBA was going to let it happen, Wendy. You know, like, there's no way. These refs with burners. It broke some hearts in Bristol, Connecticut. I'm going to tell you. I'll just leave it at that. I know Greeny, like, Greeny before the series even started, he goes, in round two, we have a chance for LeBron James and Steph Curry.

And he, like, won on this. This was before the thing even started. And he was two we have a chance for lebron james and steph curry and he like won on this this before the thing even started and he was like oh that's thursday that week like he just he already saw it already cooking for zip with that big of a layoff too yeah i mean that was that was certainly something in the middle of the nba finals i think that a lot of us were confused by yeah well just because the finals are locked in the dates are locked in and look i think espn would have been okay with the lakers losing if it happened in six games people people say like oh man you know the networks want the the big markets to win every game yes that's true but they really what we really need is volume of games. Volume of games.

And so there was extraordinary excitement in the ESPN ranks when the Heat won game two because we knew we were going to have a series and at least have five games. That stuff really matters. And then you watched last night. I know. I want a competitive series.

Because you're a fan. That stuff. I mean, in all honesty, you guys know this. You want a competitive series. As your fan. That stuff. I mean, in all honesty, you guys know this. You guys have data analysis, I'm sure, on this show. Absolutely. If ESPN went totally by the data, we would talk all Cowboys, one hour of Cowboys, followed by one hour of Lakers, followed by another hour of Cowboys.

That's how it would go. We've watched it. Yeah, we know. It has gone now. Yeah, we've watched a good part of it. That's where we learned about you. Forgot about Jordan LeBron. That's how it would go. We've watched it. Yeah, we know. It has gone now. Yeah, we've watched a good part of it. That's where we learned about you. Forgot about Jordan LeBron. That's right.

Yeah, Jordan LeBron there for a bit. That's where I've been subbed out now with just Lakers talk. Always good. That's always evergreen. So who is it? Look, some people are going to be like. Answer the question. Look, here's the thing. Wendy, you're from Ohio like... Answer the question.

Here's the thing. Wendy, you're from Ohio. Answer the fucking question. Come on. Listen, man. Some of LeBron's greatest accomplishments are seasons where he lost. And no one will ever give him credit for it. And I try to talk about it and people just shut me down. They just assume I'm going to say LeBron.

But one of the greatest seasons LeBron ever played was 2018 when he got swept in the finals. Getting to that finals was one of the great accomplishments of his career. You know, I talk about Ohio and Jack Nicklaus. Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors. He finished second 17 times. Some of those times he finished second, it was a tragedy he didn't win.

Some of those times when he finished second, it was absolutely brilliant. And finishing second was an incredible accomplishment. Some of the times LeBron has finished second with the teams that he's taken there has been amazing. But there are people who are just going to count the rings, and then that's all they want to say. And I really can't fault those folks. They say six is greater than four.

Six and O is better than four and six. And there's nothing you can say. I will argue that coming back from 3-1 against Golden State was a greater accomplishment than anything that Jordan had in his career in terms of his team. There are people that would drop gloves with me on that. There are people who I say LeBron getting to the finals in 2018 was worth almost as much as a championship.

People will say, you are absolutely out of your mind. They're saying you're a loser. That's a loser mentality. Cheering for second place loser. This guy is a stupid loser. Hard to take this guy serious in a conversation because he's acting like second place is

first place. This guy is a loser. That is what people say first place. This guy is a loser. That is what people say. Perfect. Exactly right. But good points. Very good points. So, look, Jordan is going to win most of the time, but I don't think people look at the argument, in my opinion, in a fair way.

Yeah, it's two different sports, too. Well, are you talking about golf? Is that what you mean? mean wait we're talking about are you talking about lebron and jordan golf this entire time no way no you're talking about basketball what two different sports are you talking about i'm just talking about the sport that jordan played in and then the sport that lebron plays these are two different sports i learned that from the last dance documentary i mean i'd watched that much basketball from that era i don't think ever in my life let alone now with what basketball is first watching what basketball was then and we're only seeing jordan highlights in

that thing yeah i don't think there was anything else but some of the people he was playing against i mean they're dribbling that thing i think every dribble would potentially be a carry you know what i mean that's in their head the other thing is, like, one of the most iconic moments of Last Dance, Jordan's laying on that couch in the hotel going, yeah, I'm done. I'm done after this season. I can't take it anymore. The pressure's on me. It was incredibly raw. The fact that that footage existed,

much less that he would say it to a camera, was amazing. But then you think about LeBron, how many times that he was completely emotionally gutted, and he picked himself back up and came back the next year and changed his team and retrofitted the team and brought him back the next year like you know i don't i can't imagine what jordan was going through and he retired after the death of his father i can't compare that but like jordan basically put up the white flag so i can't take this anymore and lebron in a higher profile era, said, I'm going to get back up

and I'm going to go back to the finals. I don't know if he's in medicine. Wendy, okay, so you're firm in one particular camp. I just don't think the argument is framed correctly. I think that's what the challenge is. We'll give our take. I believe that they played two different sports.

Both of them were the best at their particular sport. That's my argument. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for everything play two different sports. Both of them are the best at their particular sport. That's my argument. Anyways, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for everything. Thank you for the years of dedication on television and breaking it all down for us. Thank you for having me. Welcome to the family. If I can do anything for you, get you

coffee, give you restaurant recommendations in Bristol. There are none. Reach out. We're going to try to stay away from Bristol as There are none. Just reach out. Okay, sounds good. We're going to try to stay away from Bristol as much as possible. Good idea. You're already one.

Yeah, yeah. I've done some research now. I did some work with ESPN a few years back. I got to kind of see the lay of the land, kind of do my own research in this whole thing. Believe me, there's a lot of thoughts, but we would love to have an evening in Bristol at that one hotel that's right across the street

from the ESPN campus. It would be an honor of ours. And also, it's nice to take a trip back. One night only. One night, yeah, bingo. We're in. We're with Wendy. We're out of there.

Actually, probably not even staying in the room. No, probably just in there for dinner. Yeah, and then we're out of there. And then gone. Wendy, think about your life. This used to be you. You know what I mean? And now you're. What a great night.

What a great night. What a great life. Good for you, ladies and gentlemen, Brian Wynn. Yeah, Wendy! I didn't know he was an Ohio fuck until this morning. We started doing a little research. And then all of a sudden, he cuts a promo about Ohio State football. You might

have inspired Wendy to be the man he is today. Thank you, AJ. How about it? He was at the Akron Beacon Journal. Is that where he was when he started covering LeBron? They went to the same high school. I believe Wendy's a little older. He's like 10 years older.

I thought they were. If he's 10 years older, that means LeBron was what? 8 years old? Yeah. When he graduated from that high school? Mm-hmm. Or maybe he's like three years old or four. Ten doesn't really make sense. Well, whatever the case, when LeBron was 11,

they knew he was going to be the guy. Mm-hmm. Okay? And it was everybody on earth saying LeBron's going to be the guy. He was on magazines and getting money and everything. He was just trying to figure it out, I think, while balling. There's another 11-year-old that we've been introduced to here on the internet.

I don't think anybody thinks he's going to be the next one, but his dad is certainly making it feel as if he is the next one. Absolutely. I think some people with a brain can look in the future and say, trouble is ahead. We are not all prophets around here. We don't have a magic eight kind of look in the future and say, trouble is ahead. We are not all prophets around here, and we don't have a magic

eight ball to tell us the future, and we can't see through the looking glass or anything like that, but we can say what is apparently happening is seemingly on a path to the fuck's wrong here. I've learned more about this baby-grunk situation,

and I don't know how to feel, AJ. I am very torn. Now, I have a baby daughter who's six weeks old, five weeks old. Can't get that wrong this early. Should be getting it right. That's on me. But I haven't been an adult. I haven't been a parent.

I haven't been a dad and had to make decisions for how we're going to go through life with this particular baby baby gronk's dad has decided i'm making a content creator here okay this is the next chosen one in the scripts in the lyrics in the things that baby gronk has been saying into a camera is vastly different once you realize that's basically the dad kind of forcing this entire thing to happen. He did an interview with The Athletic, I think. I believe it was the, do we remember who the interview was? With The Athletic, Ari Weissman. So, Baby Gronk's

dad did this and he said, do you spend any money on your personal expenses or does it all go, it's all going away for him into a savings account? How do you make a living? I'm an IT guy and I do personal training. How did you do this? I can reach anybody. Donald Trump's son's wife follows my son.

It's bigger than people think and it's only getting bigger. He just got posted on TMZ today. It's probably one of the bigger things on the internet as an influencer. He could be bigger than Brawny fucking James. Says Baby Gronk's dad in an interview at The Athletic. How much money

are you making off of this right now? He's probably making about a hundred bucks, a hundred thousand a year. Promos, ads, that's a combo of everything. I also help other parents and train them too. I put it all away for them. Man, I'm 36 years old. I've lived my life already. Everything's for my kids. I'm pretty much putting away

everything for my kids so they can have a future. I'm not worried about what kind of shoes I have on or how I look. It's not about me. Shout out Baby Rock's dad. He would also go on to say, I believe we have a couple more. We should find them in there. These are the ones whenever he starts

talking about being in the music industry. Of course. And how he understands how to promote and how to market. He starts talking about his resume and why he is choosing to do this. I thought it wasn't about him. How he knew that it would work with his kid. Always did. And then you watch some of the videos.

And obviously, Coach JB talks shit to an 11-year-old. Coach JB, I would like you to kind of direct your shit, I believe. The other way. To this fucking dad that's doing interviews about this thing. This baby grown guy, these videos he's putting out, he's like, I've been waiting for somebody to head talk me. Humble me.

He's like, I've been waiting for somebody to try to be as good. Humble me. This kid's got a promo. Right into a camera. And then on another one, he's talking about, yeah, your girlfriend's with me yeah he's like reading his dad's script seemingly after reading all these everything we do for content is on purpose as the dad everything is planned out just being a creator and being an

influencer the internet in real life and his training are kept separate he's actually really advanced and very good at football and he plays five sports a lot of people don't notice about him but he's better baseball player football player well we don't know because he's baby gronk not baby trot yeah yeah he's a really humble kid straight a student the internet shows one thing well that's you posting it but he is the kid you want at your house he's that kid everything we're doing it looks like a show it's not reality i know how to balance the internet real life i don't think my son is a god or better than all these other kids out there his goal is to go to the nfl but the nfl is rare it's hard to make so my goal is to build him a platform and a following where he's making money now and it's going to into his savings account just keep stacking up being a part of

companies this and that by the time he's a senior in high school, he's a millionaire. And above all, he's well taken care of. That's why, that way he can live a good life without struggle or worry. It's the insurance behind sports. You don't have to go pro anymore. Like Livvy Dunn at LSU. She's set for life already because of the internet. I think we all understand that.

What we're talking about is you're building a heel character out of your 11-year-old kid. It seems like an aggressive character to build on the Internet, especially if he's the one writing the promos. I used to be in the music industry, okay? I already knew how to market and promote and work the Internet. You know this new thing? I knew what I was doing.

I was a high school star, like the Boobie Mouth story. But I know how to train kids and make kids go to sports. I knew my son was going to be pretty good at sports because he was going to be around it. I put the music industry with the athlete and I saw the NIO was coming and I saw the climate was changing. And I'm pretty good at this internet

stuff. So he's thinking he's doing an interview because of how good it is. And we're all reading it going, why are you doing this? What the fuck? Here's the last quote that really kind of made us feel good about it all well you never know dude my kids or anybody else's kids they can become drug addicts you know fall for a woman get in trouble health problems could pop up you never know where life will go that's why all we're doing is put a platform behind them so if an injury happens he's taken care of oh hell yeah i love that nice thank you guy gets it thank you backup plan there just has to be a different character we can

make that particular 11 year old yeah right we can make him likable right if you know the internet you probably make him a likable and then he's still doing all that sweet you know football stuff and you can maybe even post the sport he's better at, baseball, and just have him be baby future athlete or something. And I would assume dad-fake-gronk, baby-gronk's dad. Grown-gronk. Grown-gronk. Grown-baby-gronk. Big baby-gronk.

Yes. Bingo. Big baby-gronk. Knows baby-gronk better than we do. Of course. So I would assume at 11 years old he knows if this kid is mentally tough enough to deal with what is coming. Oh, yeah. Because of him being... Oh, yeah. For the rest of his life.

Yeah. Him cutting promos like, your girlfriend's with me or whatever. Like, okay, cool. That is funny. But when you get into high school sports and kids can be kids. You know, competitive kids do what they do. He's gonna... Hey. He's making it hard on himself.

He is. They're making it very, very hard. But the platform is a valuable one if you have one, and it matters. So I like where his head's at. But also, can we not do this a different way so we're not just setting him up for seemingly a fight every single day of his life? Well, and that's the thing, too, is like all, you know, he's talking about like building a platform.

Like there's a shelf life on this. Like this kid's not going to be making money off Baby Gronk when he's 21 years old. All this stuff goes away if he goes across the middle in a high school football game and gets knocked the fuck out. The only thing you're getting on your Instagram then is people in your comments saying, you're a fucking bum, you're a scrub. There are so many ways this can go bad. I don't know if the outcome is like, oh, he's going to be fine.

He's going to make the NFL. We're not Big Baby Gronk, though. Right, AJ? True. We're not Big Baby Gronk. From what I know, Donald Trump's son's wife does not follow me, so I can't even have an opinion. You're right.

Great point. Pull that quote back up, please, just so we can get the accurate part of the family tree there. Humble brag there, but he's just dropping that out there for everybody. He's pretty good at discerning that stuff. Okay. You know who's following my kid? Who's that?

I had to read it like four times. Like, wait, who? I can reach anybody. Donald Trump's son's wife follows my son. Which one? Which son? Well, one of them. That one.

Follows my son. That's amazing. What a great quote. How about you, Ari Westerman? Does Donald Trump's son's wife's kids follow any of yours? I think so. Were you a booby-waz in high school?

Heck, I was a big star. Did he get hurt? Is that what he's saying? He got hurt? Yeah, just like Boo Mouse. Yeah. Yeah. He was leading the Permian Panthers.

Guy could have been a star. Yeah. Guy could have been a star. Should be in the league now. I guess that's why he's doing this. No. You're saying he's living through his kids? Yeah. No could have been a star. Should be in the league now. I guess that's why he's doing this. No. You're saying he's living through his kids? Yes. No. Yes, he is. He said he blew

a mouse. That means he got hurt. He wished he would have had a platform because I guess he probably was a bum. Whoa. I'm saying he must have got hurt. He said he blew a mouse and blew a mouse and got hurt, but he came back and was a superstar. That's because of that doctor from Midland. He must have been a bum. Yeah. He wishes he would have had some other way

of capitalizing off of what he was able to do at one point. Yeah. Or maybe he was the first Gronk, too. He was so good at tight end. Everyone called him Gronk. Yeah, you're right. And then, you know... Then actual Gronkowski came around.

Yeah, he gets to see Gronk live his life, and then he passes it down like, you're the real fucking Gronk. You're baby Gronk now. Yeah, I'm the dad Gronk. I am i am a big baby grok does he post footage from games we just were worried about baby grok yeah you know and baby grok i look through my instagram baby grok has sent me a few i don't check my messages often baby grok has sent me a few I don't check my messages often Baby Gronk has sent me a few messages asking for us to do a video on Baby Gronk

and I think like reading that, reading that interview seeing some of the videos I'm not like the smartest human, I wear a tank top every day we don't appreciate it we don't appreciate what's going to happen it's not good internet, it's bad internet you don't even look happy in the video

it's a train crash there is pain in that kid's eyes. I showed you some pictures today. There's a lot of pain behind that. And that big baby Gronk knows baby Gronk better than us. But, man, it feels like we're staring down a bad situation. But who knows? Maybe it all ends up okay,

and baby Gronk's playing tight end at USC in seven years. It all worked out. You're right. There's a chance. Because Baby Gronk's going to have to be mentally tough for the things that are going to be said to him. For sure. At 11 years old, I assume people are rude, let alone whenever your parents are trying to make you a public figure that shit talks the entire world. That's going to be... That's going to be tough. I think his comments

are going to be tough. What are these... Is Brian Kelly inviting him down to LSU for a fucking thing? Social media team, for sure. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Okay. Because he's been in LSU.

He's been in colleges. He's doing it. Oh, yeah. You know, they let anybody visit these days. When it comes to little kids like that. No, I didn't know. You got this stuff on them. What do you mean?

You think they got real offers? They ain't got no real offers, bro. No, no, absolutely not. But social media teams have certainly won. Hey, can we co-collab with- What was the dad's name? We don't know. Big Gronk.

Yeah, he did say in the article he's got an offer, a verbal offer from Arizona already. Well, and I don't want to talk about nepotism too much, but my daughter's got a scholarship offer already as well. So congrats to her. Feature baby, Gronk. Congrats to her. Wow. Three Gronk. Congrats to her. Wow. Three weeks old, she got an offer.

I mean, it's not shocking. That happens. A lot of pressure, you know. A lot of pressure, but every time I see her lift her arms, I'm like, maybe. Hey, you never know. Maybe. Might be the proper usage of a scholarship. I remember I was driving all over the world pretty much

trying to get a scholarship somewhere. And then all of a sudden I just wake up one day here. Mackenzie's got one. Boom. Congratulations, Mackenzie. This is not too bad whenever it comes in the house. Uh-uh. Or stays in the house.

What will education be in 18 years from now? Going to be interesting to see. Who will be the coach there? Well. West Virginia? It was from West Virginia. Shout out to West Virginia. We're going to make a video about it announcing it, but might as well talk about it now. It's going to be interesting to see. Who will be the coach there? Well. West Virginia? It was from West Virginia. Shout out to West

Virginia. We're going to make a video about it announcing it, but might as well talk about it now. 18 years from now, what is college?

You know? What does college sports look like 18 years from now? Yeah. What does everything look like 18 years from now?

Who knows? Especially when there's aliens falling out of the sky in fucking Las Vegas. That's what we talk about in the

sports universe is what captivates us. That's what we talk about in the sports universe is what captivates us. And I'll tell you what, the conversation continued into the break about old big baby Gronk. You know what I mean? AJ, honestly, I did not expect this to... Because I've seen the baby Gronk

in the internet sphere. I've seen it happen. Baby Gronk. Baby Gronk. Must be a dog, love everything about it. But here in the last sphere. I've seen it happen. Baby Gronk. Baby Gronk. Must be a dog. Love everything about it. But here in the last couple days seems like we've learned

a lot quickly about Baby Gronk. And I am not a normal human being. I don't think people say. I'm perturbed by it. I am. That has piqued my interest, AJ. I don't know if this one ends well, but Baby Gronk,

hey, we're fans of yours, Bob. Good luck. Fans of yours, do your thing. AJ, let's dive into some stuff happening around the football world. Purdy's throwing no setbacks at all. Three times a week, at least right now, although Shanahan is not watching him throw.

Seemingly on pace to be back at the earliest possible time whenever he got to Tommy on surgery, which had multiple different outcomes. He could come back at this particular date. If after three weeks after surgery, he's able to grip this and do this, then he'll be on track to be back at the earliest. There was a chance that this would be extended. If something didn't take right, if a feeling did not happen, if a recovery did not take place, there was a chance it could be delayed by months, months. Seems like the window that was given was a very big one for Purdy's return after a very unfortunate

elbow injury in the NFC championship game on the first drive of the fucking game after playing stupendous football for like two months straight leading the Niners to a place that I think Niners fans were very pumped to be and then it all disappears with one shot to the elbow. But it seems like he's on pace to be back. Trey Lance and George Kittle are obviously continuing to grow their relationship. Trey Lance was sent to tight end university last year, and when we talked to George Kittle about it, he said he's like Josh Allen. You know how big he is, how athletic he is, hoping he's like Josh Allen.

So you've got Trey Lance getting better, you would assume, just because that's what people do. Shanahan and the crew are good coaches. You've got Purdy getting back early. And then you've got Sam Darnold, who's the best thrower of football that has ever dawned in an Ironers jersey by somebody. It's like we talk about them having problems, but everything seems to go right and in a good way

that they end up in a situation where it's like, a decision they could have made in October with a potential little delay in response is probably going to come a little bit earlier than that with Brock Purdy healing so damn quickly. I'm fascinated by it all because there's some teams who are completely fucked in the quarterback room and the Niners seemingly have an abundance of talent

knowing that there's a chance they're going to need most of them. Yeah, so it's June 8th right now. If he's throwing three days a week i feel pretty damn good about this guy being almost full strength when it comes august 1st whenever whenever they plan to go to camp it has to be a great this is a great thing for them but but when do you like insert him in so trey lance is getting all the reps right now they're almost what we're finishing up mini camp here soon what what happens when training camp opens who goes out the first group first day how How do you work out the

reps? How does all this work? Yeah, because you need to see Trey. Have to. Have to see Trey. You need to see all of them with your first team. You probably want to see all those quarterbacks get first team. But Purdy has earned. Has Purdy not earned? You would think Purdy's can. Purdy have earned the start though. That's what they said. I think you trade Trey. If Purdy is healthy, you trade

Trey. Trey, Raiders? Oh. Didn't even think about the Raiders. I didn't even think about the Raiders strictly because, you know, when they signed a quarterback for a lot of money, we assumed, oh, they're good. And then it turns out they didn't actually sign him whenever they said they signed him or we heard

they signed him. It wasn't until a couple of days after they signed him that they actually signed him because the physicals said, yeah, you're foot. You're fucked. What are we doing here? He might not play Jimmy G. They're just acting like it's foregone conclusion. He's going to play. Jimmy G's acting like that and I guess everybody with information's there. But there's a reason they

made a little bit of an adjustment because it's question mark and Jimmy G has missed games before. Reason why Trey Lance even got drafted is because Jimmy G has missed games before. So maybe Trey Lance goes all the way over to Raiders with Jimmy G yet again. Maybe that's the way it operates. It would just come down to the 49ers being okay with biting the bullet, right?

Because Trey Lance has virtually no trade value right now. You're not getting any – I mean, I guess even if – Man, if social media departments over there are working and every highlight he throws in these OTAs – Yeah, true. They're pumping out. Putting it out. And they're reminding people he's 6'5". What is he? I think he is, right?

Something like that. He's huge. 4'6", 5'2", 30. Huge. Big dude. AJ. Set him up for success in some preseason games if he's still there, too. Make him look good in the preseason. Yeah, let's give him some players that know what they're doing. Because some preseason offenses have no chance. A lot of people judge some quarterbacks in preseason yeah let's give them some players that know what they're doing you know because some preseason offenses have no chance like a lot of people judge some quarterbacks in preseason who

are with like the threes and it's like everybody on that field has no idea what they're doing yeah like the the offensive line is running two different plays and let alone how many other players are being added in whenever you think about what this wide receiver thinks they're doing what this tight end thinks they're doing then they got running back as well and then the quarterback might not know what the fuck they're doing but also might know what they're doing, what this tight end thinks they're doing. Then you've got a running back as well, and then the quarterback might not know what the fuck they're doing, but also might know what they're supposed to be doing. And in that case, they're four plays off. So it is a shitstorm a lot in preseason,

especially there in the second half. But you put Trey Lance in there, you get some good reps, get some good plays, you put some good highlights. You say, we don't want to, we're just in this situation. Maybe you could trade him. But I think there's probably a lot of Niners fans that are like, hold up. We've got a guy at three for a reason. It'd be hard not to see him play football and get a shot after getting injured in the second game.

Well, especially because of how fans are. He's not going to have a couple games. It's going to have to be immediate. If he comes in and they look bad for a quarter or a half, they're going to be calling for his head. Another place would be maybe, granted they just drafted a rookie quarterback, but he's looked pretty bad thus far, even though

everyone has bad OTAs. The Titans, they just got Ron Carthon from the Niners. You wonder if he actually does like Trey Lance, has probably seen him more than most, may bring him in, partner him with Derrick Henry. Allegedly, the Titans are in on D-Hop. Yeah.

If you hear about this, AJ, if Rabel's bringing in DeAndre Hopkins, how do you feel about it? That would make sense. Rabel was in Houston as a D-line coach when D-Hop was there, right? And they also have no weapons. Yes, true.

That's a big problem that they have, so D-Hop would certainly add to that, you know? Does D-Hop want to go there? I mean, if he's visiting. Well, the contract will probably be more. He wouldn't visit if he wasn't interested, right? I mean, you've got to visit. You've got to work leverage.

If you want to go to other teams, you've got to let them know. Everyone else is interested. If you want to be a leverage to get other teams. Well, those three things he said he wanted in a team the Titans have none of. Stability? They've got stability variables there. They might have a bigger contract. They none of. Stability? They got stability for Abel there. They might have a bigger... They bring good contractors, right? They got Derrick Henry!

They were up on the Chiefs in the playoffs two years ago. I wonder where Tannehill was on his rankings. Ryan Tannehill is not even being judged as a starting quarterback. At all. I don't know if it was the NFL or ESPN. I thought it was the NFL and Fox. So a network that has an NFL deal pretty associated with the NFL put out a graphic of all the starting quarterbacks in every division

and how many years they have in the NFL. And for the starter for the Titans, they put Will Levis's. They put Levis's picture on there. Yeah. It's pretty disrespectful to Tannehill. Yeah. Larry. Yeah.

I'd say. Yeah. I'd say. Ladies. I'd say. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man from Detroit, but went to the University of Minnesota. He obviously has a podcast we all enjoy on the internet. He's fantastic. We had him on the show one time.

We said, this guy's fucking electrifying. Ladies and gentlemen, former NFL wide receiver, Ron Johnson. Yeah. What's up, man? How's it going? Hey, thank you for joining us again. I appreciate you. I texted you this morning because I had your number.

And I said, hey, pal, you know, with the Dalvin Cook news, I was wondering if you'd be able to stop on, make us a little bit smarter, any whole NFC North conversation about it. And you said, is this fake? And it was an incredible response. I appreciated that. I thought it was cool. I appreciate the warm reception. and thank you for coming on.

Let's dive into it. Dalvin Cook released as of this morning. Who knows if that has to happen until 4 o'clock. They're saying Broncos are in. They're saying the Dolphins are in. I assume a lot more teams are in. Why are the Vikings not in, you think, Ron? Well, if you look at the Super Bowl, the last five years,

you look at the Super Bowl running backs five years you look at the super bowl running backs you got a 830 yard running back in pacheco you got sony michelle 845 you got ronald jones with 978 you got damian williams 498 you got sony michelle again 931 last time there was a running back that was in the top six slash top five of rushing yards it's 2013 with the seahawks so i think the minnesota vikings looking at what those teams have won a super bowl have done the running back honestly they have a high paid top five running back it's not like it's not bowed well for for those teams it's all up to the quarterback now you look at patrick mahomes uh you look at jalen hertz and i think kevin o'connell feels like kirk cousins this year he came out of the shell and

took a shirt off, wore the chains. If he moves on from a running back and says, this is truly your team, Kirk might George Kittle this thing and go butt naked with a pineapple. I mean, I'm just saying. We like that little Chubbies commercial. I tried to put on the George Kittles. Couldn't get them around the Hamhawks here. It was a little tight on the old Kitten Caboodle

there, but they were comfortable. I will say. They had cool pineapples on them. And I think as soon as you put them on, you get ripped up like George Kittle. And that's what it's all about. But if Kirk Cousins does grow out of it, Kevin O'Connell's offense, and I think we've all had massive respect for it because of what Justin Jefferson's been able to accomplish, let alone in full games.

Just a couple first halves, he had like 180 yards, 160 yards. That's when the other team's preparing all week, like, hey, we need to stop justin jefferson first first half of the fucking game 180 yards wide open doing his thing with kirk maybe kirk takes that next step and they decide to go full on kirk cousin's shoulders and say we don't need the chef in the backfield but damn he's a great football player aj go ahead pal ron where do you think uh Dalvin Cook goes I know there's reports he would love to go down and play in Miami they seem to kind of have a stacked running back room but where do you think he ends up well I mean today's social media world like when we were growing up we

couldn't do this he tweeted a video of him running a long touchdown against the Dolphins and said this was an expensive play so clearly he's trying to allude to that he does want to be in Miami Miami saw what he can do firsthand uh they they are the fastest team on turf so you add him to that mix with the screen game with some of the passing game stuff i mean players don't do things for no reason we we joked years ago about stefan digg saying he was sick and then you know oh he's fine and then look he's a buffalo bill i think for dalvin cook he's doing the same thing look you might not want me somebody else does i mean kevin stefanski was with the vikings we do know he loves the screen game as well we do know he has a high paid quarterback that's gonna need to run the ball

a little bit more uh unless he signs deandre hopkins if he can pull off deandre hopkins and dalvin cook the the the browns might actually be a contender now not over the pittsburgh steelers of the baltimore ravens but they'll be a contender. Now, not over the Pittsburgh Steelers or the Baltimore Ravens, but they'll be a contender in somebody's league. They got Chubb there. They got Chubb. Chubb is a – No, he's a –

They need to feed Chubb more. But you can do it. You can have a two-headed roster. Teams have proved they can do that. They just want to run the ball. They don't have enough receivers. We agree. They run the ball every play.

It's always like running back by committee almost. It feels like that is how the whole thing is viewed. The boys have questions for you, Ron. I'm excited for them. We're thankful you're joining us here. One of the hosts of Vikings Game Day Live, I believe. You're in there. There's people, and AJ alluded to this, they're talking like Dalvin Cook's old.

He's old. This guy's 27 years old. He lost it. I think one of the reasons why he posted that expensive play or whatever is because he's pulling away from people still. You know what I mean? Running backs get caught all the fucking time. That is not something, you know, people break through, you pick up 30 to 40, but you get down to the 20

and then everybody's pumped up about the run. Very rarely these days do you see running backs or anything like that breaking through and not getting caught, not getting somebody on their, whatever the case. Linebackers are running four threes now. I mean, it is, there's speed all over the the field why do people act like dalvin cook is potentially lost he is not right i mean he dalvin no no fucking dalvin cook no dalvin cook is still i i said this i thought i thought they were going to go with the run game because when you add in uh a josh

oliver from the baltimore ravens who's truly a blocking tight end who can run some play action stuff and every once in a while in the red zone, be a big tight end. But I thought because Kevin Stefanski, Kevin O'Connell said he wanted to run the ball more. Well, why get rid of a running back? But clearly there's some other pieces. I mean, you cut them after June 1st, which gives you that $11 million versus the five and nine. If you would cut them before June 1st. So they're clearly trying to free up some money for for justin jefferson i mean when you have the best receiver in the world i think that's the the thought of their you know thought process right now and they're thinking uh alexander madison ty chandler uh kane wongwu i think they feel like those guys

can give them as a group 1500 1600 yards what was the name there what was the name there kane wongwu that's a fucking great name he's the kick returner ran a kickback uh i don't think he did much against the coach but it didn't matter because the coach were up 33 nothing and then we saw what happened after that but we're not going to talk about that today ron we're not talking about that today what happened ron listen i don't know i know kato june texted me and was mad when i tweeted out i bet he did that uh i bet he did he did. He live bet on the Colts that they were a lot to

beat the Vikings when they were up 33-0. The Vikings were a 90-1 on FanDuel. 90-1. And the Vikings came back and won. Yeah, they did, didn't they? 33-0. Our largest comeback in the history of the fucking NFL happened. And I think Dalvin put out

actually a highlight of himself. Dalvin had a big play. Yeah, a big play. Yeah, five people touch him. Five people touch him within like five, one, two, three. Oh, 34 right there was live betting. Did you see that tackle? Hey, hold on. Did you see that tackle?

Hey. He was the guy. I was wondering. He was the guy. Wow. Interesting. He was the guy that tried to make the tackle. What'd you say?

It was 90 to one? Wait a minute. 90 to one odds. 90 to one. He might have been on the guy. Wow. Interesting. He was the guy that tried to make the tackle. What'd you say? It was 90 to 1? Wait a minute. 90 to 1 odds. 90 to 1. He might have been on the Vikings. He might. I mean, man, 90 to 1. Watch that.

Look at. That's money. He gave effort, though, you know, so he had to really cover it, I guess, if that's the case. And that's why he can't be gambling on games. He had that fan do money on it. Listen to what we have to say. Exactly.

We don't want to have to say this. It's a bummer. We don't want to have to say this about Isaiah Rogers. You fucking did it. You signed up for this. Yeah. Forever. Damn it. Now to have to say this. It's a bummer. We don't want to have to say this about Isaiah Rogers. You fucking did it. You signed up for this. Yeah. Forever. Damn it.

Now we got to talk about it. No choice. Pete Rose, everything we say, every highlight we see, we go, he probably had a fucking bet on this game. Now everything Isaiah Rogers do, we got to go, probably bet on this. Especially with 90 to 1. 90 to 1. He did it.

Easy, Ron. We don't know if that's true. We don't know. We don't know if that's true. We don't know. We don't know. He didn't do that. I did tell him, though, like, and obviously them is just people that would listen to me speak, which should be nobody. It's a wild amount of people, though, that do on a daily basis.

It's crazy. I think we should know, as fans of the Colts and as humans, if Isaiah Rogers bet for the Colts or against the Colts. You know what I mean? Fair. That's fair. That is a piece of information that I think if Isaiah Rogers only bet for the Colts, I think Isaiah Rogers' people would be like, can we please at least tell people

that he bet for the Colts? He wanted to win alongside of the Colts a little bit extra like boxers do when they bet on himself. I think PR wise and not this guy's a scumb the Colts a little bit extra like boxers do when they bet on himself. I think like PR wise and not this guy's a scumbag could change a little bit through the process. I hope we get that information Ron. I do. I honestly do

but hundreds of bets in the facility on the team. He's fucked. Yeah. Big time. He is. Pac-Man has a question for you Ron. Ron, anybody know football know that Kirk does not have no nuts? What? Whoa.

Zero nuts. Where did that come from? Zero nuts. He is shredded. He said, if I die, I die. Have you ever heard of what? I mean, he's a dog. You get rid of Kirk, they're going to double old boy over there.

And we know, and you know, he's going to give somebody one. Kirk always gives somebody one. I just don't understand this move. And you saying, oh, well, maybe they're going to go to the passing game. They cannot go and throw the ball 36 times a game and be successful this year. I just want to hear your opinion on this. I mean, so look at this. You know, me and you, we know.

As a guy, when you're watching Kirk, yeah, he's not the guy that you're going to say he's coming through Detroit. He's going to kick it with us. No, that's not Kirk. But this is what I like about Kirk Cousins. He is who he is. You know what I mean? Like, he's going to drive a minivan. He's going to do him.

And Kirk is smart so and i hope like mike zimmer never put the time into kirk cousins hey hey mike zimmer is a great dude that's right he is guy that balled out were dbs deon sanders pac-man jones uh uh xavier uh xavier rose i mean rose were closed in minnesota when zimmer was here with him so that's where his time was he put his time and effort into the dbs uh kirk cousins was an afterthought and and i mean we we saw a vikings player neverson griffin tweet out zimmer didn't want kirk anyway so you i don't care how much you've been drinking what you've been doing the

truth gonna come out and the truth came out he he like look Zimmer didn't want Kirk well Kevin O'Connell wants Kirk he wanted Kirk before he has him now so I think he's gonna try to unlock some of the stuff you know like the prime time Kirk issues and all that that everybody brings up that's just a guy not having confidence you know I mean like if Zimmer came to you and said hey we I want you to shut down half the field for this game and we gonna run cover two on the other side. You're going to have the confidence to do it. You're going to say, I'm the guy today. If he come over to you saying, I ain't putting you on that guy today because I don't think you can do it, it's going to be in your head

the rest of the game. And I think that's where Kirk was. He mentally – because we can't deny mental health is serious. He mentally, I don't think, had been unlocked. Kevin O'Connell unlocked something. That man would never take his shirt off and put on chains on a plane with Mike Zimmer. Like, Kevin O'Connell unlocked something. That man would never take his shirt off and put on chains on a plane with Mike Zimmer. Like, Kevin O'Connell unlocked something in Kirk.

I don't know what. But I truly believe Justin Jefferson might get doubled, but you still got TJ Hawkinson. And so that four seams, you can double the outside if you want. That seam going to kill you every time. And that's where I think TJ Hawkinson's trade from the Lions was probably one of the best trades that the Vikings pulled off last year. Last question. Go ahead, AJ. What do you think the Vikings' chances are this year? How did the general population around there, what do they feel about the chances?

I know the division obviously is, we don't know what's going to happen to this division this year, especially Aaron Rodgers is gone now, but everyone else seems to have gotten better. What do you think their chances are to win the division and make a run? Well, I mean, Adam Rank, you know, he, from the NFL Network, he said the Bears were going to go 12-5. gotten better what do you think their chances are to win the division and make a run well i mean adam rank you know he from the nfl network he said the bears were gonna go 12 and 5 so if we're listening to adam rank the vikings are gonna go nine and eight i i think uh when you look at the schedule and you truly break it down it's gonna come down to who stays healthy uh late in the season i think the vikings early uh games are gonna be not say easy but it's gonna be like a six and two six and

three type of record early late in the season is but it's going to be like a 6-2, 6-3 type of record early. Late in the season is where it's going to come into play. Is everybody still healthy? Have they made it through? Is Alexander Madison healthy enough to be running back one? And now, I mean, he is running back one. By the way, the marketing team that put his picture up before this all happened, they already knew Dalvin Cook was going to be cut. I truly believe that they got a memo and made a mistake and put that on Twitter.

There's no reason to put Alexander Madison on the Twitter banner before this Friday. They did it way too soon so the writing was on the wall. But no, I think they can win 11 games. I think they can win 11 games. I think they can win the NFC North. I think the Lions are going to be right there with them. Could come down to that last

Lions game where the NFC North is up for grabs between the Lions and the Vikings. I think the Packers and the Bears are going to be fighting for the bottom. But also, I know because Pat texted me that Joe and Nick are Steelers fans. So, today is my dad's birthday. He passed away in 2018. But I was left his two Super Bowl rings by the best organization in the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I got his helmet behind me signed by the 1978 team. So, you know, you got me and Joe Green, Jack Lambert, all the guys wearing that helmet. Frank O'Hare, rest in peace. I had to get a Pittsburgh boy some love. And so I know I can have the logo. Pat, can you now? Yeah, Rod, we figured it out.

We figured it out. I was about sick of dealing with that there for a bit. That was a wild week. That was a wild week. I had to put up the helmet back here, but back here, but I figure, you know what? That's not me. It's you. Could you imagine?

I mean, one day it'll all be, the stories will all be told. Obviously, Foxy has footage of everything behind the scenes. It's all happening. It's like when people hear about that particular week and how it went down, they're just going to say, no way that has actually happened. There's no way that has actually happened. It's like, yeah, it is. True players.

Unbelievable. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for... No, I appreciate you guys. Have a good one. Cannot wait for the next time we get to chat. You crush it on this show. You need to go there, Ron. Hey, anytime. If Pac-Man's busy, if D-Button is busy, hey, fly me out there, man.

I will hang out in Indiana. Oh, what about AQ? Oh! Oh! What about Chuck Pagano? Oh! Oh! Put me like 10th on the list. I'll take 10th on the list because I know my jumper.

My jumper's a little bit more wet than D-Button. Oh! Oh! And D-Button? DBs usually can't hoop, but I'll. Oh, what? Oh, I don't know about that one. Wow.

Ladies and gentlemen, Ron Johnson. Thank you. Yeah, Ron! So, he didn't want to replace you. Listen, I'm not a white guy. So, when you're casting a white guy. I only do two black guys. When you're casting a white guy.

I'm not sliding in. You need another black guy. Gotcha. I'll be there. That is the locker room, by the way, right there. And I wish it was more in the world would happen. But that's why when we called Perkins racist the other day. That was awesome.

That was a big pause. Yeah, he got a big chuckle. Yeah, we love that. That type of conversation is, I think, good for overall society if we make a mockery out of something that is very super serious because I think we're all trying to come together. With that being said, I love talking to that guy. I really do. I enjoy the hell out of it.

He loves the... He did have the paddle behind the row of the boat. I didn't want to dive into it. It would have been nice. BJ Fleck, former friend of the program. I was going to say, is he still a coach there? Oh yeah, he got a few extensions. What happened? He's still a friend of the program. I still... We'll never have him on the show

again, which is a shame. Did somebody do something that I don't know about? One of his people right before he was supposed to come on the show sent me a big request not to ask him to give a motivational speech. He doesn't do that kind of stuff. Because the last time

I had him come on, I said, what would you say to somebody? That is literally what he does. He's one of the greatest motivational speakers of all time. Slash snake oil salesman, but yeah.

No! No, he went to Iowa, so he hates Minnesota. That's a natural rivalry, Minnesota and Iowa. If you say Minnesota, who hates Iowa? They say we hate Iowa.

So Ty's coming from a jaded position there. But I just, I took that, and I'm like, so what? Why did that mess? And I'm like, well, I guess we should get because I can't stop myself. Yeah. That would have been the first thing you asked him. Anytime he comes on, it'll be immediately. So let's say I'm

down in the dumps. You know what I mean? So for the sake of our friendship and for our feelings towards Minnesota, we have decided to kind of keep that separate. But he was great on the show. He was. He talked about a...

Necton mentality. Necton mentality. Shark mentality. Always hungry. Always hunting. Never tired. You know, and the way they're built is to attack and go forward. It was like a great speech.

It was a great speech. And I was like, all right, next time he comes on, we're going to get another. Right back. We're going to get another one. Different scenario here. Because I thought he was a necktong towards motivational speech. Yeah, he could do it at any time. No, he's always hunting. Always motivating.

What can help me motivate more today? Oh, the sandals. If you thought about these sandals and how they're tied together and how they were thought about, they aren't a full shoe. They're just a little bit of a part of a shoe, but they need to do the job of an entire shoe. So all the little nuclei that are inside of that sandal need to bear together more

than a shoe has to because there's less of it and still the same job. That is, I think, the guy that BJ is. And we get a please to not ask him to give a motivational speech. Why are we having him on? You know, let's have Houdini on and have him not get out of the fucking straitjacket. Exactly.

What are we supposed to do? Exactly. AJ, Jesus. You're like the American escape hero. Not swollen, 38 little nails or whatever. Needles, not nails. Michael Griffin. It's Michael Malone. No, it's Griffin. Needles, not nails. Michael Griffin. He's got a needle. It's Michael Malone.

No, it's Griffin. What? It's Harrison, isn't it? Bro, I'm typing up a thing to run before our show on ESPN that basically like the jackass disclaimer, you know what I mean? So I'm typing up like a little reader at the beginning. In like the fourth line, as it currently reads, there's like there are some inside jokes

it will take you a few days yeah we apologize yeah but once you get it you will get it think of the first time we get the great american escape hero michael malone michael malone no it's great and mike mullins the head coach of the nuggets guy he's just this guy's a dog. There's not that many inside jokes. He fucked me up, dude. Pac-Man and AQ. They were trying so hard. I know. Were they? Yeah, we were.

Professional athletes. I don't believe it. They were part of the show. There's no way they were prepped beforehand. No. They got paid, probably. Did you guys get paid by Michael? I mean, they both came from the outside.

They were here all week outside you're right they're not they might have to michael malone got into their head without them no all right let's wrap up this glorious thursday without michael malone griffin we have some michael griffin sorry we have some massive breaking news and when i talk about breaking news there's levels to this shit this one is at peak breaking news you need to know about it garth brooks has announced no way i was hoping this is it we'll have five new albums and obviously those who have ever followed anything in life know that garth brooks has an alter ego named ch Chris Gaines who's a little bit emo in the punk scene a little bit. Hangs out with

people that don't necessarily see the good and the up in life. Walk the beaten path. And they kind of are outlaws in their own right. Garth Brooks sells out stadiums as Garth Brooks. Five times to be exact he sold out Lucas Oil Stadium here in Indianapolis

Indiana to the tune of who fucking knows how many billions. I'll tell you the exact price of all of his tours, and that's too fucking much. And the reason why we know that is because he's willing to do this. Five albums. He's fucking around trying a completely different genre with a different human that is the polar opposite of Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks is super high energy, you know, doing all that. Look at my depth, he said.

Watch this. I go from one end to the other. Five new albums on the way from fucking Garth Brooks slash Chris Gaines. And thank God, AJ, this is what we need, especially with this writer's strike. You know, bring a bit of content. Five. Five new albums. It's not like you're just going to dip your toe in there, Garth or Chris.

Let's just go five new albums. Can you pop that picture up quick? That's right. We need to properly. Yeah, Chris. No, I just want to see. Look at the picture of Garth. What the hell is that hat?

How does it go up at the top? Is there a point on the top of that cowboy hat? So I think Conor McGregor was wearing the same hat in The Ultimate Fighter. What does it look like up top? It's like a cowboy hat that has a different thing. It's a part of the background? A cowboy witch's hat? Like a conehead thing in it?

Or what is that? Like, look at Diggs. Diggs' cowboy hat, the top of it is just a cowboy hat, right? Yeah, it does look like it morphed. Yeah, it is interesting. It almost looks like a game piece for a game board. From Zari. Yeah.

He said, hey, can you mimic the shape of my nose to the top of my hat? That's right. It's obviously calculated. Everything he does is calculated. Absolutely. That's why Chris Gaines looks the way Chris Gaines looks and Garth looks the way Garth looks. Pat, did you know about these two?

No. I thought Chris Gaines was just when Garth cuts his hair and his beard. It's still Garth. No, he's actually a method actor. Chris is from Brisbane, Australia. He already released one album. He had a couple top hits on it. Yeah, he's actually a method actor. Chris is from Brisbane, Australia. He already released one album. He had a couple top hits on it. I heard that album. Is there a backstory to Chris?

Yeah, oh yeah. He's an Australian fucking singer. There was supposed to be a full-length feature film to accompany the album. Who started this Nemo shit? Nemo, well, I mean, that's a whole different movie. Pixar. The emo stuff, Garth started it one day out of nowhere.

Yeah. He was doing this little side gig here. Nobody knew about it. Yeah, he just got so bored. His first album made it to number two on the Billboard charts. Chris Gaines? Yeah. Well, that was because, like, everybody had found that, right?

Yeah. Yeah, probably. How about his next five? How's he doing? Five? He's about to go triple platinum. Yeah. Chris Gaines concert.

Oh my God, I didn't even think about it. Did he do any Chris Gaines concerts? I don't know if he did or not. I think Chris Gaines opens for Garth Brooks. He doesn't do stadiums. Chris Gaines never does. That'd be such a sellout move. Chris Gaines only does hole in the wall, small. Like that bar you were at in Texas.

Bingo. Yeah. In the basement. That's right. Yeah, at a barbecue spot. Uh-huh. Yeah. World famous.

15 people in here. I'm thinking the one with like skulls hanging off the ceiling with the loud music. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. That Chris Gaines is playing in. There he is. Rest in peace, Garth. You had a great music career.

Oh, there's the top of his hat. There's that hat. What is that? I Garth You had a great music career Oh there's the top of his hat There's that hat What is that? I think it doubles as a saddle Come ride my face So his wife's a singer too Does she have an alter ego? Does she go into the character? Yeah I wonder if like

Mrs. Gaines happens I'd assume so It has to You know what I mean? Yeah it has to So sweet So cool They have a whole new house too

They change cars too Like as they're driving a pickup truck they like park it on the side of the road then they hop in some fucking corolla yeah whatever yeah whatever they're driving pull into the new home new house new lighting new everything get pissed off right when they walk in have to completely change their attitude i hate everything i fucking hate my job i mean i wouldn't be surprised if he surgically removes his foreskin to be Chris Gaines and then has it reattached when he goes back to being Garth. He's full method

in 100%. These five albums are going to be so good. So good. Think about what he's doing. Yeah. I was worried about music, too, for a second, and now we're back. We're sick. Oh, yeah. Let's go to the phones. Speaking of music, congrats to Travis Rudolph, Music, too, for a second. And now we're back. We're sitting. Oh, yeah. Let's go to the phones. Congrats. Speaking of music, congrats to Travis Rudolph, who was a wide receiver for the Giants practice

squad, I do believe, who in 2021 was at his house and his ex-girlfriend had, I guess at this point, not allegedly, actually told her brothers to go kill this man who was in the NFL. He comes outside with a gun and says, you shouldn't try to kill me. And they said, we're going to kill you. And he shot his gun.

Wounded one, killed another in the NFL. Ends up going to jail, obviously getting charged with murder and everything. Got found self-defense, not guilty. So congrats to Travis Rudolph. Congrats, Travis. Not happy about anybody dying in this whole thing,

but there's text messages, I guess, from the ex-girlfriend actually telling people to go kill him. That got brought up in court, so it was actual self-defense. I think that kind of pieced it together. So I don't know if he's going to be back in the NFL. How great of a football player he is. Went to Florida State, Knows Dalvin Cook. Yep.

And he just got found not guilty. What a life. He's going to feel much different at this exact moment than he did maybe in the past, AJ. Yeah. I'd say I saw that video. Oh, yeah. Man. Immediately.

How long was he in jail? I don't know. I think he was on house arrest, too, because he said new ankle. Yeah, he got him out. Okay. Yeah, they made bond and house arrest had good i mean if they're coming to kill you and they have guns he they proved he protected himself right yes yes and uh think about the the cleveland thing that's crazy what's that i'm just

saying well the two kids from uh cleveland got robbed like this is crazy oh yeah outside the nightclub felton and uh yeah yeah you can be targeted in the current world the red more it seems like as everybody's being tracked to everywhere they go like that nightclub thing out of cleveland seems like and i'm not gonna act like an expert here have been to these situations before and we've all heard about it there's a chance that that was like a obviously a setup and a target and hey these guys are in here you have a couple chains i mean you have one chain on that's like thirty thousand dollars like oh yeah let alone having multiple chains on a watch on like there is

certainly money to be had if this person is to be unconscious at this place at time and all you need is one person tipping somebody off and then you can get set up and boom you're out of there the guy's got their car stolen and everything robbed from him right at 3 30 a.m in cleveland at a nightclub and then something else happened like a week later it's like that's craziness that this is just kind of happening so casual yeah these days in la i guess people are just getting robbed left and right it's just becoming like a new very standard operating procedure yeah man you know be safe out here. Security. Yeah. Don't be posting where you at every time.

Yep. Never. You know what I mean? And people that are robbing you are much smarter than you could imagine. I think everybody just thinks, like, they're plotting. Like, there is. They get away with it? Not every.

You're right. Not every. Huh? Yeah, they got away with it. They took his truck. Did they get away with it? And where did they find his truck? All that.

Yeah, according to police, two players left the Cleveland nightclub early Monday morning when they got to Newsom's truck in a nearby parking lot. So that's a full operation. This is operation. Six masked men jump out of an unknown car and rob them at gunpoint 330. In addition to stealing jewelry, the suspects fled in Newsom's truck. They said they got away? Yeah, I don't think they've been caught yet.

So you just dumped that. I mean, we all have seen it. Take it to a chop shop somewhere or something. Bam, drop it off. See you later. Everybody stay safe out there, okay? Especially with the AQI. Exactly. Our QI is high. AQI is high.

And we don't know if there's going to be any relief from the AQI until it rains. 40% chance of rain this weekend in New York. Ain't that right, Bruce? Everybody over there is hoping they're in the 40%. Rain and smoke. For rain here. What's that, pal? We're hoping for rain here big time.

Yeah, need it. Yeah. I think it's 162 around there right now. So a little bit better than last night. 245 was the peak, right? That was just kind of like an overall look. I think some places did get even higher to that into like the 350 zone. Whoa.

The hazardous. Did not know about this AQI until two days ago. Turns out, real deal. Yeah. Hey, real deal, this AQI. I know you guys had it in Columbus and Dublin. Are you okay? I'm doing all right, yeah.

Uh-oh. Did you halt practices like the Jets and Giants are doing today? Right. Are they really? No. Games have been canceled? We didn't have to alter anything, yeah. Business as usual.

Yeah, because their smoke is even worse than what was going on in New York from that massive cloud. Yeah, New York looked crazy. It did, bro. Indy was like that, though, too, one night. It wasn't as – That's a real picture. Jeez. Can't see anything. i think it was tuesday right yeah indy had i don't think indy had this level but it was certainly pretty solid noticeable that's why all the new york pictures

are coming out it was like damn that's even more than what we had when we thought we had a bunch of we were being told we're not allowed to go outside yeah hey it's not safe to go outside it's like you look outside like yeah that's real deal then these new york pictures start coming out it's like holy shit can't see anything's like you look outside and think, yeah, that's a real deal. Then these New York pictures start coming out. It's like, holy shit. Can't see anything up there. Yeah, you wonder if maybe something's going on up there, especially with what we saw in Vegas in May. Is the live cam currently?

252. Hey, New York's back. Here we go. Okay. All right. Didn't even need rain, Bruce. Let's go. Come on, Bruce.

Look at this. Look at the boats. We're looking good. Look at the boats out here. Look at the boats. We're looking good. The boats are empty on a river. They were also saying that it was worse than 2019 in California. Yeah, California.

Legit smog. LA, they have that, right? That's a thing. Part of it. That's why it happening out here. I think we all knew what it was, but it was like, don't have that never ever no a lot of fire huh a lot of fire hey jay do you see sorry how's my hand there they started different times summertime what do you mean fire goes all the way from this side okay all the way over to this side this is main up here yep fires from here hey michigan how you doing mitten yep all the way over to this side. This is Maine up here. Fires from here. Hey, Michigan, how you doing?

Mitten. All the way over to, boom, Seattle. Over here. And then up here it's happening. And then the wind's bringing it. And then the wind bringing it over here to New York, right here. And we're down here in Indiana. What a beautiful representation.

It was pretty good. That's exactly what it was. You tried doing that fucking backwards in a thing. Had a cardinal directions correct. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Miles in Sacramento, California. What's going on, Miles, on the 5 Energy phone line? Hey, Pat, AJ, boys, how you doing keep it moving hell yeah

hell yeah nice hey i just wanted to hopefully i could see you in pac-man as team smell me don at summer slam against kevin owens and sammy zane for the undisputed tag team belts up in fort field detroit michigan i'm sorry, mom. Fuck the Detroit Lions. You guys talking shit to me on Twitter last season because y'all got your ass dug in by the New England Patriots, 29-0. All I said was, hey, y'all decided to be

fucking crying on a hard knock. And y'all going... Oh, no. Call him back. Let him finish. Sorry. Hey, was John Rahm talking to Oh, no. I didn't hang up on him. Call him back. All right, I'm going to finish. I'm going to finish. He wasn't happy. Sorry.

Sorry, Esma. Hey, was Jon Rahm talking to Liv? Is that what caused this? Was Jon Rahm in deep negotiations? So they said a former world number one was in pretty deep negotiations. And now I've seen Jon Rahm's name out there, too. Obviously, it's... Yeah, but that's what I'm... So I was just trying to set the...

Set for why... It's a current number one, I thought. Or no, it's a former. Is it Scottie or is it... Yeah, former world number one has been deep negotiations with Liv. And then Jon Rahm last week was asked about the Ryder Cup.

And he said something along the lines of like, I don't care where they play. If they're good, let's put them on the team pretty much about the Ryder Cup. And it was like, hell yeah, that's how we feel. So if Jon Rahm was heading over to Liv, holy hell, what a... Go ahead.

No, go ahead. That would have been quite a shift. It would have been huge. Jon Rahm's superstar. He's a guy that people watch and know. Now granted, on the CW, we still wouldn't have watched. Nobody would have. But the clips would have probably drew a little bit more interest

as they continue to drive and build an audience in there. So is Jon Rahm the reason? And also, I believe we have had a follow-up bit more interest as they continue to drive and build an audience in there so is john rom the reason and also i believe we have had a follow-up that all of those guys will get offers from live to compete in live events now the pga and live has merged an anonymous live executive has said uh said that would happen all of the players will get offers from live except for that little bitch rory mckelroy yeah is what the anonymous Liv executive said. This is real from Nuclear Golf. No speaking to Alan Shipnuck.

A Liv executive discussed the future of the league. Now we can finally get Hideki and Jon Rahm. I would say every big name on the PGA Tour will get an offer, except Rory. Nobody wants that little bitch on our team. Okay, so Rory just a couple days ago said, I still hate Liv. I fucking, I hope they end.

That's probably what's going to happen here. So there's real beef between those two because Rory really took a stand against everybody that went to Liv while Liv was starting. Greg Norman and Rory had quite a little budding rivalry as this whole thing was taking place. That still reigns true, it seems.

Even though they were going to maybe pay Rory $500 million. So with that piece of information, we would think that at least some of the guys are going to get some of the money even though they were going to maybe pay rory 500 million dollars so with that piece of information we would think that at least some of the guys are going to get some of the money back that they were offered initially and they can maybe make it right now that they understand that the league that they're operating for fighting for is willing to take the money maybe they can as well that was my confusion when i read that was like uh you would think the pga tour when they made this agreement or whatever that part of it it would be like, hey, you can't keep taking guys from the PGA Tour. Apparently, I'm completely wrong.

Well, now, PGA's, who cares? It's all going in the same pot. I figure, too, they said Liv's not going anywhere. So, like, there still are going to be two separate tours. Those guys will just be able to, what, play all the majors? World golf ranking points, right? Yeah. Isn't it just a big deal they can get world ranking points to get into all the other

qualify for all the money at the end? Isn't that what Scott Van Pelt said? Scott Van Pelt said, like, are they going to get world ranking points now that this has happened on the lib? And that's even more conversations. And Rory alluded to them not being around anymore. And then we're being told they're still going to be in a league and get an offer. So I think there's a lot more question marks.

But the one thing that did seemingly get a little cleared up there from the anonymous executive is that these guys are going to get a little bit of money. Yeah, which is huge, aside from Rory, which is hilarious. But do you think that the live events are going to be exclusively team events and that's how they're bringing team in? Or is it just going to be like the Adelaide tournament by live and then it's just another tournament?

I don't think the team stuff matters anymore. I really don't. Their goal was to grow those teams and then sell them for a ton of money. I don't think the team stuff matters anymore. I really don't. Their goal was to grow those teams and then sell them for a ton of money. I don't think that's the plan anymore. I don't think they knew that wouldn't probably work. That quote said nobody wants them on their team. Yeah, yeah. When it first happened, it said that they were

keeping the team events. You know, unless they're talking team like as live, as a team, as a whole. Yeah, true. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think they know. I think they're working through everything right now too. Yeah, everybody's kind of learning. It was a seven-week process. New within 10 minutes of Venice or something. Right.

Okay, let's go to the phones. Congrats to golf. Keep it going, golf. I'm going to continue to try to get good at golf. AJ, you been working? A little bit. Hit balls a little bit. Me too.

I mean. He's lying. He hit 200 balls. Remember we went through this last year? Yeah. And then we got there and he was on the move. Yeah, but me and him both. I could hit. We're both better. I could hit 200 balls. Remember we went through this last year? Yeah. And then we got there and he was on the move. Yeah, but me and him both. I could hit.

We're both better. I could hit 200 balls in 10 minutes, though. I don't sit there and reset in between each shot if I am hitting balls. I'll hit boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Have you been doing that? I did a couple days ago, actually. Took my son and went to the actual real range. Hit off the grass. Much different than hitting off the turf.

No, no, no. Don't tell me. I don't need that right now. I'm only golfing on a sim. I haven't been on grass. I don't need to hear it's different at all. I need to hear it's the exact same. You just got to get used to it. You just got to get used to hitting off. It's real easy to chunk the first 15 to 20 when you get on the grass.

Fine. Nah. Nah, I'm plucking them like Tiger and Scotty. You're wrong. Yeah. That's my plan. Hey, Pac's a player. I know.

What do you mean? I watched. I'm getting better. You get PXGs, Pac's a player. I know. What do you mean? I watched. I'm getting better. You got PXGs, Pac? Yeah, I got PXGs. You like them? Love them. Everybody does.

I got mine. Hey, I've been using mine up there. They're good. You got your PXGs, too? Yeah, I've been using them. Did you get fitted? Yeah. Nice.

Yeah, I paid for it, but just wanted to support the guy that came on the show. Of course, Paul Parsons. Love that guy. They're seemingly giving deals to everybody. Yep. We got an interview, Bob. We did.

That was enough for me. Yeah. Great guy. I like him. The clubs? I'm using their clubs right now. It's fitted. I'm swinging a good club right now, AJ.

I'm swinging a good one. I believe it. I've seen it. You posted some videos. You're coming right out of the pocket. You look good. I am coming right out of the pocket, aren't I? Because John Romney. Whatever that means, yeah. Let'm swinging. I believe it. I've seen it. You posted some videos. You're coming right out of the pocket. You look good. I am coming right out of the pocket, aren't I? Because John Romney... Whatever that means, yeah. Whatever that means.

I have some... My irons I got... I won longest drive at a charity golf event like 12 years ago. They gave me 500 bucks to the gift shop or the pro shop, and I used them towards my Titleist irons I have. I don't know what they're called, but Titleist from 10 years ago. You love them too, huh? They play

golf. Love them, and I got that driver that A-Rod sent us. I got the second version because the first version, the face cracked on me, so I got the Model 2. Yeah, this guy's cracking fucking drivers. That's how hard he swings, dude. The barbarian with a golf stick is him at the tee box every

single day. Bombing balls. Bombing balls. Hey, let's do well, Tahoe. Road to Tahoe. Talk to CeCe Sabathia earlier talking about that Tahoe thing. Can't wait for it. I'm being told we have some breaking news from Schultz.

Frank Clark, pass rusher, is going to the Denver Broncos, sources tell Jordan Schultz at the score. The three-time Pro Bowler and two-time Super Bowl champ with the Chiefs finds a new home. Endeavor. Congrats, Frank. Congrats, Frank. If this is real, congrats, Frank.

And also, Sean Payton's been making a lot of moves. If this is real, what do you think? Caveat. Congrats, Frank. It's real. It's real. Yeah, maybe. It's real.

We think we believe it is real. Jordan Schultz, he's a dog. He's real. It's real. Yeah, maybe. It's real. We think we believe it is real. Jordan Schultz, he's a dog. He's out there doing his thing. He gets lied to sometimes. Not his fault, obviously. Has a much higher hit rate than a miss rate. So let's assume this is accurate. Sean Payton's been making a lot of plays with that roster.

I'm excited to see the Broncos team this year, AJ. I think everybody is. I think Sean Payton's excited to see what this Bronco team looks like with him at the helm and see the improved Russell Wilson. I know he's got a new bod, doesn't he? Doesn't he slim down? Yeah. Yeah.

He has your jawline now. He had mine last year. Yeah. I'd say he's doing good. I don't like the fact, though, that we were kind of publicly lied to by Russell Wilson last year. Okay? What?

What did he do? He wasn't ready to ride? Him taking those shoulder pads to Monaco, acting as if he has to get his work in every single day. Yeah. Then having the capability of losing a visible 25 to 30 pounds. Right. Interesting. It just feels like I was lied to a little bit.

Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. But I am happy that Russell has found his way and is seemingly back. He's doing high knees in the middle of the plane. Is that because he didn't do high knees the rest of the week? Just had to sneak them in. I'm up. Might as well do this

right now. I am very excited to see this reborn. I'm super religious, so I don't want to... Football. But he's like a reborn Russell Wilson, it feels like. Took a lot of shrapnel last year. Played a lot of shit football last year.

A lot. Off the field, got buried hard. It's like those are the types of things, if you think about the way he operates as a human, like he's wearing all that. Oh, yeah. And there is a chance that he is, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

He's back. You think he's going to be back? I believe in the coach. So if he ain't going to be back, he ain't going to be there. Well said. That's a great call. Yeah. We'll play Statham.

I wouldn't put it past Sean Payton. Sean Payton's not leaving. Yeah, put Statham in. Sean Payton negotiated with the owner when he was negotiating this deal. That is great. Okay, Russ, I assume that the owner said, we're pumped you're here. They were there. We don't think you were negotiating with the owner when he was negotiating this deal. That is great. Okay, Russ, I assume that the owner said, we're pumped you're here. They were there. We don't think you were negotiating with the owner directly.

Sean Payton negotiated with the owner. GF, I'm interviewing you. Let's make sure this is good here. And if it is good, sweet, I will come. You're welcome. I will save the program. That is kind of how it's being viewed from the outside. I don't know if that's how Sean Payton viewed it,

because I think that's just kind of his normal day-to-day. But damn, him getting the power over there is making us all believe they're just going to be good. 100%. Yeah, Sean Payton's good. He'll figure it out. Yeah, we have a lot of faith in what he can do. AJ, good for Sean.

That is our natural reaction, don't you think? Welcome. Well, yeah, he's offensive guru, offensive genius, and he's going to a team that has a solidified defense that we know has plenty of studs, and their offense has studs as well. It's just Russ took a bit of a step back last year. Can he get back on track? I don't know. Was that Nathaniel Hackett? Was it Russell Wilson?

Was it a combination of all those things? Did Russ going over there actually play a little bit on his mental health about how it ended in Seattle, about maybe they don't want me, they don't like me? They actually said, yeah, we will fucking move on from this entire situation. Was that a little bit of a culture

shock for the Russell Wilson experience? Who knows what it all could be, but we do know is we're assuming he's going to be better. The Broncos just signed Frank Clark, we think, to make that team solidified to go on a run in the AFC West. Joining us now, the man that broke that news, ladies and gentlemen, a run in the AFC West. Joining us now with the man that broke that news,

ladies and gentlemen, Lil' Latte, Jordan Schultz. Hey, Jordan! Schultz, thanks for taking a break from your summer vacation to kind of break news and join us about it. You look fantastic, pal. You know what? I actually look like shit, but that's only because I'm bloated from having dairy last night, Patty.

Okay, last night dairy will get you. Is that a 24-hour thing or is it 12 hours? You know, for me, it's really a 48-hour ordeal, but I didn't think I was going to be on the best show on TV, so I thought I was okay today. However, the news came, and as you know, when the news comes, you've got to attack. Yeah, and you never know when the news is going to be here, especially if it's just a short 13 to 14 hours after you have some dairy.

You've got to be able to do what you've got to do, especially in the insider game that's filled with sharks with the neck-to-on mentality. So this is true. This is true. Patrick, of course. Hey! Okay!

Nice, dude. Let's see. So Frank Clark, who is a three-time Pro Bowler, two-time Super Bowl champ with the Chiefs, now heads to Denver, stays in the division. And obviously, this is a move that they make knowing that, as you said, they believe Denver does, that they're going to have a really good offense, and that Russell Wilson, who's lost significant weight,

is going to deliver the good with Sean Payton. Now you add to the defense, which obviously traded away Bradley Chubb, but they do have Nick Bonito. They have some young pass rushers there. Now you add in a Frank Clark who's had really good success, not only with Seattle, but obviously with Kansas City, and has had some postseason juice. So I like the move a lot, and I think it will help them.

Do you think there's more moves to be made here in the veteran free agent market? Since I don't think any of us had Frank Clark going on this particular Thursday, June 8th, what are you hearing about action potentially around the rest of the NFL as you're housing Derry and hanging out in the office in New York? So you still have some real names, Pat, that have not been signed. Names like Leonard Fournette, obviously, Zeke Elliott, Kareem Hunt, Jarvis Landry. So players that have had tremendous success, pro bowlers, all pros, but obviously the running back is a fungible position. We haven't seen a lot of running backs find homes yet. I would say another name to watch

for is Adrian Amos, who obviously AJ knows a lot about. He's had a lot of running backs find homes yet. I would say another name to watch for is Adrian Amos, who obviously AJ knows a lot about. He's had a lot of success in Green Bay, 20 career interceptions. He is 30, which is a little bit older for a safety, but still a productive player. I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately returned to Green Bay. But, yeah, to your point, Zeke, Fournette, Kareem Hunt, three really productive running backs, and Juice Landry.

Those are probably the four biggest names, and obviously Dalvin Cook as well. There it is. Go ahead, AJ. Where do you think DeHop's going to end up, Schultz? And that's the other one. And the reason I don't bring it up is because I really don't know. So he visits Tennessee. Really?

You don't bring it up? Whoa. Hold on. Hold on. Too much dairy? Yeah, too much dairy as I sit here bloated on this amazing Thursday. You don't look bad. You look good.

How are you doing? Yo, Doug Schultz. I have been in the gym, and I have been on kind of a healthier kick. Let's go. And it's because I want to feel energized when I come on this program. Well, a little ice cream on a Wednesday won't kill you. You're doing great. You look good, Schultz.

You don't look bloated at all. Look at you drinking your water. I appreciate that, Patty. Here's the deal with DeHoff. No problem, Jordy. He is 30. He's still a really good player. I'm not sure he is what he was three or four years ago,

but he's still a top flight wide receiver. And think about Tennessee, right? They have Traylon Burks. They obviously released Robert Woods. He would make a lot of sense there. And I think Ryan Tannehill has an opportunity to have a pretty decent season there. Obviously, Will Levis, of course, is waiting. But Hopkins makes a lot of sense in Tennessee. But make no mistake, I've asked around. There are multiple teams that are interested in Hopkins. It really just comes down to money. And I think that's why Dalvin Cook is released.

He was getting paid $10.4 million this season, which would have been third in the league, I believe, behind the Caffrey and Kamara. And they weren't going to pay him that type of money, especially when they had Madison at two-year seven extended. So Dalvin Cook will have plenty of interest. Maybe it's a Miami. Maybe it's a Buffalo.

He can reunite with his brother. Maybe it's a team like Denver, Dallas. Hopkins will have plenty of interest, but it comes down to money. And I don't think either one, especially Hopkins, and I said this last week, I don't get the sense that he's in a real hurry. When do you think these decisions will be made? Training camp? Before training camp?

After training camp? Middle of summer? What are you thinking, Jordo, for some of these people? I think Cook goes first. He is 27, which is still pretty reasonable for a running back. He just had his first shoulder surgery to repair the torn labrum. He's the only running back in the last four years to have over 1,100 yards rushing. He's also eclipsed 1,300 all-purpose.

He's a terrific player. He's been a pro bowler every season in the last four years. I think he goes first. I think new probably goes next. And then I think you start to see the four nets hunts and Zeke's, and Zeke's find a home. I wouldn't even rule out Elliot back to Dallas. Like to me,

that would make a lot of sense considering totally Tony Pollard comes off the broken leg and you could essentially restructure the contract. But I think cook goes first. if I'm a betting man. Go ahead, AJ. Shorty, what else is out there on the horizon going on? Are we going to see anything happen in the next two, three weeks? We know this is kind of a weird dead period. Is anything going to pop up?

Free agency-wise? Yeah, like are teams going to make any moves? They're all taking their vacations because minicamp's going to be over. So I think Cook will get done within the next few days, week. Whoa! Whoa! Let's see. Whoa, put it on the ticker.

Yep. Put it on the ticker. Why don't we just say, to be safe, Cook gets done within a week. I think he's first. The other guys, I would say, probably take some more time. Hopkins could take multiple visits. He could also have a great visit in Tennessee come Monday afternoon and say, I want to be a Titan.

But I think Cook probably is first, then Hopkins, and then I think the other veterans trickle down. But to your point, AJ, minicamp, once that's done, a lot of teams and GMs will take their vacations, and there's not necessarily a rush. And also, the players, the veterans, there's not really a rush for them to find a home necessarily until we get close to training camp. Ty has a question for you about life.

Yeah, Giorno, we've been talking a lot about the AQI in New York as of late. We all saw the pictures. We know you're in the Big Apple right now downtown. What is the AQI like right now? Can you walk outside? Do you need a gas mask? And also, do you know what the genesis of these wildfires was? Sources close to the Schultz Report say that it is the Canadian wildfires

where they have burned tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of acres. And, you know, it's like a thousand miles away. And yet it looks post-apocalyptic in New York City. Today has been the best it's been over the last three days. Last night was horrendous. You really couldn't go outside. And I have a good buddy of mine who has asthma. He, like, legitimately got sick after five minutes walking around the streets.

It was horrible yesterday. They canceled the Yankee game. It looked like a scene out of a Marvel movie. That's the number one thing you should be looking for. Yep, it looked like a scene out of a Marvel movie. Honestly, it looked crazy. It's still really bad though. You do not want to go walking

around. Put it this way. The Schultz Report likes to box three times a week in the mornings. Okay, we speak in third person. Damn. I'm doing that only on this show for this audience. Sick. And I like to run to the gym.

I did not do that today. No, you walked. Oh, you walked. You're bloated. So when you're boxing, you're boxing humans, the bag? What are you doing? You're shadow boxing? You're doing the drills?

How are you? Oh, the Schultz report oh no no no I'm not exactly at the level of sparring I like the bag and the pads because frankly if you start sparring someone that actually knows what they're doing that's when you see the broken nose the bad things start to happen yeah we don't need that on you Pac-Man has a question for you Jordan I just I just got a text okay I just got a text about... Actually, Pac-Man go first, because I want to see if I get another one. Go ahead.

Jordan, I'm worried about you. You keep fucking swiping your head. Your shirt look wet as hell. Are you okay? I was on the elliptical because I really wanted to get in some cardio. When I got the call that Frank Clark was going to Denver. So I'm actually sweating profusely. I feel like I

look like Ben Stiller on the date with Jennifer Aniston in the great film, The Long Game of Poly. Yeah, I think you look good. I think you've done well. We're very thankful that you joined us. I really appreciate that you noticed it because i couldn't tell with the small screen if it was coming through but now that you said that i feel goodness gracious i'm gonna just look horrendous you're on our led led board 4k so like you can see anything on this camera you know what

i mean big time we're very happy that you look absolutely incredible. You came on the program. The Frank Clark news is real. And what it sounds like is tomorrow, Schultz Report is going to be able to jog over to the boxing gym. Sounds like you're living large. We appreciate the hell out of you, pal. I miss you guys. What do you guys think? I'm just curious.

What do you think of the Frank Clark Denver move? Do you like it? Yeah, well, first we thought it was fake because it came from your account. Then, which was rude of us. That was rude. We all self-admittedly said, that's rude. We shouldn't do that. But then we wanted to clarify.

We wanted to get confirmation. We called you. You joined us fresh off the fucking workout, sweating through your polo, fixing your shirt. We appreciate the hell out of you. You're the man. We like the move. We like the move. Ladies and gentlemen, Schultz Report.

Join us. Yeah, girl! There you are. Couldn't really see you. You're always so low in the move. We like the move. Ladies and gentlemen, Schultz Report. Yeah! There you are. Couldn't really see you. Oh, he's so low in the camera. Always. You know what I mean? High ceilings in there.

He's always just so damn low down here. Mm-hmm. Just got to... That's fun, isn't it? It's always the best. That's fun. That's a good time. Yeah.

Old Giorno. He called me Patty a couple times. He called himself Schultz Reporter a few times. The third person was cool. Schultz Reporter likes to box. Oh, we should have told him virtual reality. He knows. He's got that 35 hunch. Did you see that reaction from the

rollout of the Apple virtual reality thing? No, what do you mean? What kind of reaction? They said it was $3,500 and people started laughing at it in the middle of the room in the room like i've never seen oh i didn't see in the room happen no i didn't see that yeah like you see those presentations where like steve jobs is like in this thing right here he's gonna change the entire fucking world and everybody's like whoa and he does the whole song and dance and i you know obviously anytime you debut a new product, people do that.

And normally, it's a bunch of marks in the theater. So it's all, yeah, here we go. Everybody does this thing. They rolled out that thing. What? Yeah. What? Pretty much.

I've never seen a reaction like that. No, ever. To any product ever. Everybody in there will buy it. Have to. Everybody will use Apple Pay to actually buy it and they won't even know how expensive it is because Apple Pay will just tap your phone

yeah you're good don't worry about it oh we just put you on layaway for the next 10 years we're just going to take that money out just casually you won't even know it's there $1.50 here $2.50 there you'll look back and I thought I had seven bucks. Nah, nah, only five. We're going to get it.

Don't you worry about it. You'll have no problems. But right now you're laughing at this price because it is fucking absurd. Yes. Ridiculous. $3,500 is a lot of money. That's so much money. It better be good.

Especially in the inflationary phase that we're currently in. Exactly. You know what I mean? For sure. With this AQI. How is the AQI? So basically, it's like 300 plus in some places, which is not good.

But you heard Jordan Schultz. He's going to be jogging in the gym tomorrow. So basically, it's probably pretty good. Bruce, do you and Schultz report going to the same boxing gym? Definitely not. What are you talking about? What does that mean? No, mine's not in Manhattan anymore.

I moved up to Harlem. I don't think Schultz is making his way. So you suits over there, you guys are like, you know what? We won't box. There's just like a lot of boxing gyms in New York? So there's one that's kind of like the soul cycle of boxing. It's called Rumble, and that one is fairly Mickey Mouse. Are you fighting people or bags?

It's all bag work. And like dancing, basically. Love that. Nice. Yeah, just getting after it. It is a good workout. I went to Mendes Boxing Gym. Whoa.

We're fighting. The brothers? Yeah, we were sparring there for sure. You boxed, don't you? Yeah. You just walk in there and say, I won't box. Is that what happens?

Yeah. And then what, they just eyeball your weight and they say, this person's good for you? And you put on a helmet and then you guys just start boxing each other? Well, normally your coach will have you like three, four guys that you can work with. Pick and choose? Oh, work with. That virtual reality boxing's doing enough for me. Yeah, I guess the job done. It's doing enough for me. Yeah. Yeah, I guess the job done.

It is. It's doing enough for me. I wonder if Apple's headset will have, like, the head shake and, like, hit your head a little bit. Oh, where something, like, actually comes through and boom. Yeah, it vibrates. No, it, like, pops through. Oh. It actually, like, gives you a shot.

It's all fun and games. 3,500. It better fucking draw blood. Better do something, won't it, though? Maybe it will prick me. Yeah. Got a little color. That'd be cool.

Bust it open, I come out. yeah got a little color that'd be cool bust it open I come out yeah black eye that'd be awesome what if you're using it for suck sites what's that pal what

what are you gonna suck your eyeballs pal you don't want to suck I don't know how are they gonna I thought we were spitballing what are they gonna start massaging your eyes

I know we were bringing our bell 3500 bucks this thing better massage my eyes jerk me off it's the attachments that come with it yeah $3,500, this thing better massage my eyes. My body's jerked me off. It's the attachments that come with it. Yeah.

Where are we at? Here's the AQI currently happening. Baltimore seems to be in an area of 157. New Jersey's currently at 169. 176 up there in Pennsylvania, middle of Pennsylvania. Damn. Pittsburgh's good. Cincinnati good. Columbus good. We're good, though. Everybody's good. Everyone's good. Yeah. Pittsburgh is good. Cincinnati good. Columbus good.

We're good. Everyone's good. Scott, what happened? Just some smoke came through. Don't they say smoke and mirrors is actually... What's that, AJ? What are you saying, pal?

What's happening? I'm not saying anything. What? What'd you say, AJ? Aliens in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. Eight feet tall. Aliens everywhere.

What do you mean? Aliens seem to be everywhere. Aliens started a bunch of fires so that the smoke would come in and then they could bring their ships in undercover. Yeah. Easy way to bring in the mothership over New York City would be cover the top of New York City, wouldn't it? What do you think?

They just had like a big move. What do you think? They just had like a big move. Like, you know when they got to have like pilot cars for overload? Yeah. Oversized things? Yeah. You think their pilots, the little pilot things were like,

we're going to have to do something. This is way too big to just be flying over. Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened. And I think they're moving to Canada. And that's why that China balloon was in Canada. Go in! For the aliens. Damn it. Alright, they're not going to visit us, boys.

No, they will. Sorry about that. The fate of the aliens coming to see us was right there. That's right. It was right there, three inches. They're moving right now. They didn't even see that. They didn't even see that one No, dump it Let's get the fuck out of here What a show, great show

AJ, have a great afternoon, we appreciate you pal One more phone call? We got any good states on there? We got Toronto, which is province I think Ontario is the province I got that right I'm pretty pumped that I got that right in the moment Because we don't get taught that shit at all.

Don't know anything about Canada. Nothing. Zero. Aside from Trudeau, which he's got a decorated history. The maple syrup. It's sweet. Did you see Schultz's newest promo for his? No.

I think he's in Scotia Arena. Scotia Bank. Scotia Bank. Scotia Bank Arena, maybe. With the Maple Leafs? He has a show up there. Oh, he does? The promo that he chose to do on his Instagram is... What is it?

Schultz has a fastball at all times. Schultz is throwing 105 on the paint. That's right. Pretty much at all times right now. Son of Starbucks, come on. No. No, I'm talking about Andrew Schultz is throwing 105 on the paint. That's right. Pretty much at all times right now. Son of Starbucks, come on. No. No, I'm talking about Andrew Schultz. There's Jordan Schultz.

I thought we were talking about Jordan Schultz. That's 100% on me. Andrew Schultz. I would pay to see Giorno do like an hour comedy set. I thought Giorno Schultz was doing like his own show. That's on me. Andrew Schultz. I'm so sorry.

Schultz Report was here calling himself the Schultz Report. Just moments ago, that happened. How do we feel about him dropping third person there about the character he is on the internet? That was something. I'm okay with it. Anytime anyone feels comfortable enough to do that, go with it. Me too.

I think the same thing. Why not? Andrew Schultz also could refer to himself in third person. Anytime he wanted. Yeah. The promo he put out. Really? For the Canadian.

Better than the V one? Ah, just same angle. Same. Okay. Sure. Okay. He's got that new haircut, too, where he's just. Yeah, just shaved from here down.

Yeah. The internet's the best. Mm-hmm. I'm pumped to listen to it now. Bonus ball. bill ball. Oh Sweet hook There is no defending that you're right, no, it's impossible. Got it. There it is. Oh!

Suck it, Kareem. Fuck! Bonus ball, Bill. Bill's got one. Bill's got one. Bonus bill ball. Bonus bill ball. Buckets.

He's got another one. He's got another one. Bonus bill ball. Bonus bill ball. Get it. Oh! Oh! Bad day. Nobody's supposed to win anything. Yep bill ball. Get it. Oh. Bad day. Nobody's supposed to win anything. Yep.

That's not good. That's bad. I'm going into feel-good Friday. We'll turn it around tomorrow. Friday we'll turn it around. Before the feel-good Friday. Yeah, Friday we'll turn it around. I'm sore very soon.

Oh, yeah. Bonus bill ball. Bonus bill ball. Come on, Bill. Bill. Bill. Bill. Bill.

Bill. Bill. Put a little hustle. Get on your horse. Jesus. Bill. Yeah. Bill. Bill. Put a little hustle. Get on your horse. Jesus. Bill. Yeah. Crushing it.

Oh, fuck. Right there. Oh. Bill. There has to be a bonus ball. Has to be a bonus ball. That was the best I was going to get. I thought that was it.

What about this plum helmet? Are you fucking kidding me? Right? Let's get out of here before anything dumber than that is said. Add a couple. Big shout out to Ron Johnson, Wendy, CeCe, Sabathia, all the boys, AJ. Sorry I couldn't win something for you. Bill.

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White chocolate. Fuck. Dead. Fuck. Not going to happen. Bill. We're all skip passing there. Bill.

That boy, Bill. What's up? Man. Shit. Shit. I thought you'd been doing the mark. I didn't know Jason Williams worked for us. Jesus Christ. All right. Just say something else. What are we doing? I don't know Jason Williams worked for us. Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ. Fucking six purchase. No, yeah. You got to do five people, 500 bucks. What? Yeah. Because the AIQ. AQI.

I knew I was wrong. We should give away 20 gas masks to people in New York City. Yeah, with bongs on them. You guys can't take anything serious. I was taking it serious. I'm trying to. I'm trying to. You know, that's the problem with this show.

Bill. Come on, Bill. Bill. Bill. There you go, dude. Bill. Come on, Bill. Bill. Bill. There you go, Bill. Chess path. Uh-oh. There you go.

Should we run a play and then throw the ball up? I'm about sick of what? You guys not taking anything serious. I was dead serious. Bill. Bill. Bill. Move.

Is this one of those things where Bill can now only move fast when he has a five-pound body armor on? Excuse me. This one's for Bill. Come on! Yeah! Oh, my God. That's a good effort.

Yep. That's a tough shot, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Come on, Bill. Bill. Bill., Bill. Bill. Bill. Buffalo Bill. That's the pass, Bill.

Oh! Yeah! Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball. How long are we going to be here for? Should have stopped two shots ago. Should have stopped two shots ago. Should have stopped two shots ago. I'm going to think about that one all night. Get over here, Bill. Bill.

Bill. Bill. Bill. Oh, shit. That was a good pass. All right. Bill Manning. First shot.

First shot. Bucket. Oh, bonus ball. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. All right. First shot. First shot. Bucket. Boatwhip. Boatwhip. Boatwhip. Boatwhip. Boatwhip. All right.

First one. See you later. There it is. Oh, my God. Oh, bitch. How? That's it. That's it.

Maybe Bill should try it. That's it. That's a good show. Bad performance at the end. Why doesn't Bill just bringing that ball over here? It's already in his hand Bill Bill

Bill Bill Bill Bill Guys moving slow Nice throw Nice throw That one had the arc

Bill Bill Bill Bill Bill Bill Bill Bill's got some severed head somewhere you can try to shoot

No, those don't really float well He showed me Bill Bill, Bill, Bill. Bill's got some severed heads somewhere you can try to shoot. No, those don't really float well. He showed me. Boom! Oh! That's what I like. I like that one. Bill, Bill, Bill. Bill passed.

Bill! Come on, Bill. Oh, man. That one's going back. That one's going back. AJ, you'll never guess what Bill bought. Come on. A coffin to sleep in?

All right. Everybody enough. Bill's a good person. 1,000 pounds of beef. Thank you, Bill. You did. 1,000 pounds of beef. He bought a cow.

Good freezer space, Bill. Yeah, I wonder why. Well, let's thousand pounds of beef. He bought a cow. Good freezer space, Bill. Yeah, I wonder why. Well, let's get out of here. Works for two things. Bill, enjoy that meat. Enjoy that beef, Bill. Enjoy that meat. Where'd that ball go?

And thank you, Bill, for your service here. Sorry I couldn't make one for you guys. Hookshot's following tomorrow. Yeah. Great show happening tomorrow. Can't thank you all enough for allowing us to do this every single day. We've got a big one tomorrow. Been a big week. A huge week. Let's close it out in a beautiful

fashion, then go on the greatest weekend of all time. Hell yeah. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. Goodbye.