The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 925 - Jeff Passan, Mike Florio, Denver Nuggets Head Coach Michael Malone, Las Vegas Golden Knights Captain Mark Stone, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 14, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the Las Vegas Golden Knights winning their first Stanley Cup and Mark “Stoner” Stone netting a hat trick en route to destroying the Florida Panthers 9-3. They also cover more on the Stefon Diggs situation as he was back at practice today and everything was seemingly overblown, along with the trailer for “Quarterback,” coming to Netflix on July 12 produced by Omaha Productions and starring Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Marcus Mariotta. Joining the progrum to discuss baseball now that the NBA and NHL seasons are over, is MLB Senior Insider for ESPN, Jett Passan to discuss the Oakland A’s reverse boycott, how a lot of teams people didn’t expect to be good are leading their divisions, who the biggest disappointments have been thus far, and more (20:30-47:24). Next, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk stops by to chat about the story that an unnamed NFL player lost $8 million gambling last year, and what’s going on with Stefon Diggs and Saquon Barkley (47:47-1:00:02). Next, Head Coach of the Denver Nuggets, NBA Champion, Michael Malone joins the show to chat about the Nuggets’ success, his coaching style, what Joker is like behind closed doors, his thoughts throughout the playoffs when no one was giving the Nuggets any respect, and much more in an incredible conversation (1:18:52-1:44:27). Later, Captain of the Las Vegas Golden Knights, Stanley Cup Champion, friend of the show, Mark Stone joins the show with Lord Stanley’s Cup to chat about his unbelievable game, the season, the party afterwards, what the boys have been doing, when the parade is, and the experience as a whole (2:05:03-2:19:08). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this glorious, holy shit, we have a first-time Lorno Stanley Cup winner Wednesday, June 14, 2022. The program starts now. Lorno! Was given to a city for the first time in that city's hockey team's existence. The Las Vegas Golden Knights won the Stanley Cup last night, capping off an incredible NHL season. One half of the toxic table at Boston Corner is here. One half of the hammer-

Died. Died Cowboys Town Diggs is here. And now, there were two men that whenever the Las Vegas Golden Knights became a team said, that's my team. Hell yeah.

They have been fans for six whole years. That's right. There's been ups. They made it to the Stanley Cup final in their first year of existence. There's been downs. They got rid of every single player pretty much on the team. And now, on this beautiful Wednesday, one half of the toxic table and a 14-year NFL corner can raise their chins in pride and say they are Stanley Cup champions.

Ladies and gentlemen, Ty Schmidt and Pac-Man Jones, Lord O'Winner. Yeah! All right. Good work. Hey, congratulations. Hey, everyone. Everyone. Way to go, boys. Hey, way to go, boys. Way to go, boys.

One. Congratulations. Congratulations, Tom. You did it boys You guys did it You guys had a great game last night Great season 9-3

What a winner Pretty expensive for this particular program Because we will be donating $250,000 To a charity of Stoner and the Boys Choice Over there at Las Vegas Golden Knights Stoner will be joining us we we do believe, about 2, 2.30, maybe 2.40. Who knows right now? In the third hour, Stoner, who had a hat trick last night,

if he would have scored four goals, we would have paid another $250,000. He scored early, looked good. I mean, the team was dominant. They were pumping pucks on the net last night. They were testing Bob all night. It was a beautiful thing to watch that Golden Knights team. Now, Kachuk didn't play, so had to win. Had to win.

Had to win. They were saying that Kachuk, actually, in the previous game, game four, they had to, like, fucking pick him up, put his uniform on him, and then push his ass out onto the ice. Had a great fucking game. Was raised in hell. They said he couldn't play. Whenever we heard that, we thought the Golden Knights were going to hoist it.

Last night, they do in damaging fashion, 9-3. Ty Schmidt, where do you kind of place this in your life, especially at this moment? At this moment, I mean, Stoner said it last night, outside of the birth of his daughter, it was the second best day of his life. Come on! That's right.

I will echo that sentiment. Listen, one of my favorite teams hasn't won a title since 2009, I think. Packers won the Super Bowl in 2009. The Super Bowl was in 2010. It's been 13 years. Everyone wants to say, oh, you picked the good teams. You're a bandwagon, et cetera, et cetera.

That's a third of my life that I have not won a championship. A team I'm rooting for has not won a championship. And, you know, Vegas, it's just there's always been something special about this team. Has been. Always been. Stoner. Misfits.

Outcast. Exactly. Stoner's always been my guy. And to have your guy, my captain, score a hat trick in a game-clinching Stanley Cup Finals victory. What? It was just nothing sweeter. Hasn't happened since.

1922. Is that good? I don't know sweeter. Hasn't happened since? 1922. Is that good? I don't know. You tell me. The C on the sweater. That's right. Patrick in the clincher. Wow.

1922, it happened. You're like, God damn, this guy's good. Yeah. Holy hell. This guy's good. It's probably happening again. I know that's why they got the C or whatever. Hasn't happened until 2023.

That's right. Stoner's the guy. 100 years. You tell me. Is that good? I don't know. Six years to get a title. Exactly. Pretty good. The owner said it was's the guy. 100 years. You tell me. Is that good? I don't know. Six years to get a title. Exactly.

Pretty good. The owner said it was going to happen. He did. He did. If you're not really a hockey fan, they're a fun team to watch. They have their ownership group. They go for broke every single year, which is what you want in a market like that. You can't show up in Vegas and kind of just pussyfoot around and, hey, you know, we got a pro sports team.

I mean, you need to kind of stand out because there's so much shit to do there. They've done that. And here we are hoisting Lord Stanley's Cup, you know, just six years after the birth of the franchise. Pac-Man, I know you've been a fan since the birth of the franchise and you've been following NHL hockey for a long time. Yes. But the team that you picked to been a fan since the birth of the franchise, and you've been following NHL hockey for a long time. Yes. But the team that you picked to be a fan of wins the title here. You're going to be a fan forever. This is a good moment for the Vegas Gold Knights

who are trying to build a brand still. Yep. Only six years in. I know they made the Stanley Cup final their first year of existence. But I believe a lot of people probably said, ah, beginner's luck, whatever. I don't know if their brand was able to build nationally as much just because of one run because of what happened later.

Then they get all the way back and they win it what a perfect time to pick up fans have a great group of people in pac-man jones your hockey fan experience has been the greatest hockey fan experience of all time i'll be honest this is my first year really having this experience but hey ty thank you this has been a hell of a experience yeah Yeah, I mean, you're DMing the guy that's wearing hats. Yeah. That's pretty cool. We get jerseys, you know. And I've learned a lot, man.

This hockey game is real physical. Like, these guys are fucking dolls. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, man, it's been a hell of a ride. And anybody heard? Y'all hear it? Oh, Darren, you heard? Shh.

Can anybody find his ass? I don't hear anything. Oh. Oh, D-Butt. Oh. They won two games? They did. South Florida won two games?

Adam. Huh? Adam. 10, 10, 10, 10, yeah. Good morning, Adam. Hello, world. Yeah. D-Butt, quick response.

That's an unbelievable thing. South Florida did have the opportunity to potentially be the only town to win NHL and NBA titles at the same exact time. Instead, they become the only town who had two teams that defied all the odds. Underdogs that make it all the way, only able to win one game in each series. I think boys on both teams were pretty banged up. Oh, yeah. Big time.

Jimmy Butler allegedly exhausted towards the end of it, which would make sense. I mean, the way that he was playing, the way they were playing, and how long the NBA season is. And then Kachuk, they're saying they had to pick him up and put his pads on him in the fourth game. Like, to Pac-Man's point, I was very lucky to grow up in a hockey town, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

So I've always had massive respect for the sport of hockey. Now, when you move to Indianapolis, it's not as easy to watch Penguins games, but they're in the playoffs every fucking year. Hey, Pens are my team. We travel to games, have the whole thing, have always enjoyed hockey, the sport. Obviously, have a world champion ball hockey player as one of my closest friends. So I've always enjoyed hockey. But whenever somebody watches it for the first time, one of the best times of the year is

right now. So like right now, Florida is about to list off all of the surgeries and injuries that the guys we were just watching play. Well, Kachuk couldn't play last night because they literally couldn't stand him up. But all the injuries, surgeries, and things that these dudes were just playing through that we didn't hear about. So normally a player, especially if they're playing like shit, would want people to know. Right. Like, hey, listen, I got a fucking actual two broken ribs.

Yeah, come on. Shoot broken ribs, a busted kidney. Bad shoulder. My AC joint broken completely. Yeah, come on. Shoot, broken ribs, a busted kidney. Bad shoulder. My AC joint broken completely. Yeah. Wrist, I'm going to have to get surgery on my wrist, my shoulder, my knee, and my foot, okay, after the season.

Normally, if you're playing like shit in the world that we're in, you would want people to know that. In hockey, it's like upper body, lower body. Bingo. Guys got four lower body surgeries. That's right. Okay, that just all kind of rolls out afterwards.

That's the hockey culture. And they playing with broke legs. Like, these motherfuckers are gladiators. Crazy. Shin's broken. Oh, yeah. And they're on ice skates. And they're getting sticks.

I mean, there is just, like, it's insane in 2023. And I guess it's insane the Jokers, the way he is with the Nuggets, who we have his coach, Michael Malone, joining us at 1.30 Eastern. Come on. Potentially Malone and Stone. How about that? Potentially Malone and Stone on today's program. Hey, pretty pumped for us.

Maloner. But like doker, super chill, or whatever, hockey, that's their culture. Hockey's culture is like everybody that has ever played before you is better than you, okay? You're nice to everybody. You don't complain about shit. You're lucky you get to do this. Yep.

Which is, I think, an idea that a lot of, like, Eastern European and, like, foreign people have. Because hockey, although a lot of whites out there. A lot of whites. A majority. So many different whites out there. You know what I mean? Different countries.

The diversity of the countries that are in the NHL. A lot of them are, like, you know, like, Joker couldn't wait to get back to, what was it, Sambor, I believe is the town in Serbia. Their horse race is this weekend. So like his town is hosting the Serbian horse racing circuit this weekend. So when he found out he couldn't go back till Friday, I actually got to lay the track. I got to actually put the dirt in the track like that. And then I would assume the way he grew up, and I guess this would just be generalizing a large portion of people. But from the videos I've seen and the things that we've heard and the things we've been told by people that know him,

from the way he grew up and the people around him that grew up, him getting paid the amount of money he's getting paid to play basketball, he is fucking probably mind-blowing. I am just very thankful to be here. The NHL is like that. The NHL is just like, you're lucky to be here almost. And I think there's always been good personalities. We've been very lucky to chat with a few of them, but it's not really a thing that they do.

And that's why the toughness has to be appreciated. The game has to be appreciated. The sport has to be appreciated as a whole, like the entirety of it. Whenever the refs are doing actual makeup calls, like, yeah, I fucked them over last period. Had to. Had to get you. Sorry about it.

Had to get one on you. Sorry about it. Like that actually happens. And everybody's like, yeah, that's the NHL. That's just how it is. Because they don't have a lot of player personality. The game's got to carry it. And I feel like this year, the game did carry it.

It was hard hitting. There were a lot of big time shots. There was a lot of face washing. So like they try to get rid of fighting a little bit, like the goon position. So everybody thought they were trying to make the NHL softer, which is everybody's natural reaction with how all sports are happening. Right?

Games getting softer, games getting softer, games getting softer. The way they're going to build the roster, you're not going to need a goon anymore. So that's pretty much going to take away the physicality of the sport, naturally, because one of the people's gigs is just to hit people who are not going to be there. And you have Tom Wilson. You have a couple other guys who are dogs who are always going to hit people and they're very skilled but a lot less of those people exist

than people could imagine so he thought they were going to take physicality of sport this playoff run it felt like people were getting body bagged like back in the 90s yeah there were some big shots being delivered there was a lot of scrums happening a lot of fights happening it was like hockey showed up this year. So I think it was the perfect year for you to become a hockey fan. And the biggest thing that I got out of watching all of this hockey this year is this is the, to me,

this is the biggest team sport. You can't be an individual guy in this game. You're depending on each one of your teammates. If it's the pass or if it's to check somebody, however you need them to do, but it's not an individual sport. So I picked it up, and I love the way that the guys have to work together to make stuff happen.

It's not just one guy that can get shit done. That's why they have two assists in that sport. You know what I mean? Because there's so much going on. And think about somebody just accidentally getting past that blue line on the complete other side of the rink before the puck gets in there. It has nothing to do with it. It's like, you fucked us.

Can't do it. Yeah, can't do it at all. It's a beautiful sport. Well, and Pac-Man's like the epitome of what the NHL wants. People can find the games easier now, can actually watch the games. And, I mean, it took you, what, one game to be all in on hockey? It is one of the greatest playoff runs. And if, obviously, we're an NFL show, I'll never put anything above the NFL.

But the seven-game series I just love in hockey specifically because they just become rivals immediately. Like, it feels like, granted, they have respect for each other, but it feels like Vegas and Florida, like, that'll be a new rivalry as long as those guys are around or at least Kachuk and, like, Eichel because you were mentioning the big hits and Kachuk laid Eichel out of him. And then Kachuk got hit a bit. Yeah, he did.

So it has that middle finger fastball type effect, you know, like baseball has. Hockey has that. It's going to get you. It literally has everything that's so old school, because after all those shots and everything that took place, I mean, there were so many punch-to-the-head cross-checks happening. So many. In that series, like in the final. That might have been the most I've seen, I mean, there were so many punch-to-the-head cross-checks happening. So many. In that series, like in the final.

That might have been the most I've seen, I think, in some time. And maybe it's because the way Sidney Crosby plays is just so classy. Sure. Too sure. You know what I mean? He would never do it. But there seemed to be some real animosity. Now, the Vegas Golden Knights were always seemingly above it.

Yeah. Always seemingly very mature, like not going to get into it. But if there was a face or – Kachuk's last thing he did this season on ice. Oh, yeah. The same day that they had to fucking stand him up and tape his pads onto him and throw his ass onto the ice and say like, yeah, we need you.

He just did an interview. We need you. Good luck. We need you to go out there. The last thing he was doing, he was hitting a guy around a ref after the game ended with his stick. So reaching around a ref. Ref's like, come on, come on.

Stop. He's like, yeah, one more. Pull up. Boom. And then after the series, let's go shake their hands. Exactly. You know what I mean? It's like so old school.

Everything about hockey is like old school. It felt good to watch this playoff run. And I think the best part about it still to this day is obviously the Vegas Golden Knights, first time they've ever won it. So congrats to Vegas getting on Lord. You know what I mean? That's obviously not easy to do. It's been around a long time.

First time. Winners, good for them. Boston had the greatest regular season. That's right. Since 2005. I knew you were going to fucking say that. Well, as we're reminiscing on this great hockey season, it's hard not to say, like,

the regular season was dominated in Boston. Oh, yeah. Don't ever doubt that or forget that. You won't. 2023 NHL season dominated in the regular season. Yeah. Most wins in the CrossFit. By Boston fucking Bruins.

That's right. Hell, way to go. Let wins in the CrossFit. By Boston fucking Bruins. That's right. Hell, way to go. Let's not forget about that. No. You had Lorto out here, a little whiskey coming. What? The whole thing. So he didn't get that, obviously.

He's got the jersey and the rafters. But you guys still did it. Yeah, exactly. And to be fair, like watching it last night, Bruce Cassidy was the former Bruins coach before Jim Montgomery this year. year so there was a little bit of uh you know i'm very i was happy for these guys happy for stoner obviously because we talked to him i call all those guys i call also mask guy but bruce cassidy it was like sweet because he you know that's why he got fired from boston never won and then the first first season with vegas he went well players in boston hated him

he was too hard of a coach they ran him out out of town. Well, we never won the Cup. So if you don't win the Cup in Boston, you do get run out of town. Well, maybe they could have. His players just bought in. We're a little tough. I don't know about that. Marshawn's licking faces but can't do a couple extra wind sprints. Oh, we went to a Cup.

Is that what was going on? No, no. Is that what was going on? No. Vegas, the boys were like, let's go. Whatever you need. Well, Stoner told us. He's like, you know, we've actually kind of loosened up Butch a little bit.

You know, he was real rough and tumble when he first got here. But being around the boys, being in the room, he's a completely new guy now. That's like whenever you get a class schedule in high school, junior high or whatever, and you see a teacher that everybody in the previous grade has told you is a massive bitch. Sure. And it's like, well, she hasn't had me in class yet, right?

She hasn't had us in class yet. We can still navigate this thing. Almost viewed it as a challenge. Vegas Golden Knights are like, hey, we've all been kicked out of the cities we're in. Okay? We're in this thing together. We don't need you coming in here. You know what I mean?

That's right. You don't think Jack wants to win? They fucking told him to get out of Buffalo so quick. Took the C off his chest. They said, hey, get the hell out of Buffalo, dude. Old Cousins traded from Florida. Get the fuck out of here. You're not good enough to play here.

You don't think he wants to win? All these guys booted off their teams pretty much. And now you're here with us because you got booted out of Boston. Stack it up. Let's go ahead and win this thing. Let's win this thing. For each other. That's right.

Freaking did. That's probably Stoner sitting them down too oh yeah yeah don't look a little stiff early i'm excited to hear like what all stoner's been battling through that back to the point about the toughness we're about to learn about injuries coming out of this golden knights team yeah about who was playing with what and obviously florida the coach tried his best to yeah you guys don't even know this guy had broken ankle everyone's dying this is what the coach had to say after the game. Paul Maurice, obviously, about what the Panthers were battling through just to get to last

night's game. I'll share one with you. Aaron Eckblad broke his foot in the Boston series. He popped his shoulder out twice, passed a concussion, tore his oblique, ended up D.I.C. the other night, drove the puck into the offense. We tied the game and scored tonight.

So, I don't know. We have four broken bones. We've got three shoulders that are going to have to get taken care of. We've got oblique tears. It's not an excuse. Nah. Nah. We don't need one.

These guys earned the right they gave. Everything they had. See, that's the type of shit there. That you don't hear from a lot of other sports. That's like 1990 right there. You know what I mean? All sports, I think. Back in the day, whenever it was like,

you have a concussion, don't get back out there. Yeah, shut up. That was one of the things. You broke your arm? Sweet. We got some tape over here. We can kind of put it back into a... How much worse could it get? You're already broken.

It's broken. Let's go figure it out. That was like old school. Hockey still has that. And I hope it always does because it's a part of the charm. Honestly, I've loved learning about these Panthers team. I've enjoyed watching a hell of these Golden Knights team. That's what playoffs are for the NBA

and the NHL. It's prime time so you learn these stories. Naturally, especially as that's what playoffs are for the NBA and the NHL. It's prime time, so you learn these stories. It's like naturally you're learning everybody's story whenever they're on TV every single evening. And congrats to TNT on great coverage. Yeah. Congrats to TNT on great coverage. Whole playoffs.

Biz is a dog out there. He is. Biz is incredible for the game of hockey. They need to be doing as much as they can. It seems like they are. They need to be putting Biz on as they can. It seems like they are. They need to be putting biz on every single camera they possibly can. I don't even think there's a chance that biz will run out of material.

The motherfucker's incredible. Then you got Gretzky telling actual stories like he's drinking a beer with everybody. I enjoy what Albert was able to accomplish on the mic. It's not easy to call those games and bring it. I think he did throughout the entire series alongside Eddie O.

Jackie did an incredible job over there. They should be very happy with the coverage. For sure. Great job. All year, too. I feel like it did bring a lot more eyes because of TND and ESPN. I think so, too. And let's pivot away from that because although we would like to just take this all in,

and we will third hour, we believe Ole Sterner will be on here, so we'll have Baby Lordo back out and present. I assume there might be a little whiskey coke in there later. Well, how'd it taste? Pretty good. Pretty good, yeah. What was the whiskey? I believe it was ammunition. Which is...

I don't know. Sent to the office? Not bad, though. Okay, yeah. A lot of people send a lot of whiskey. They do. Everybody seemingly is in on a whiskey. And I forget who is each one. We're very thankful for all of them. Good move cleaning the top of

Lordo out before putting it in there. I told you that because remember there was a time where I grabbed Lordo and dumped a Gatorade in her and I was eating the thing. Let's pivot away from hockey which is a very exciting sport. Let's pivot away from hockey, which is a very exciting sport. Let's pivot away from the NBA, although we have Coach Malone joining us here in about an hour and ten minutes for the Denver Nuggets

one day before the parade. Joker's not necessarily thrilled it's happening, but will be a blast. Yeah, of course. And let's turn to the sport that we'll be watching for the next, how many days until NFL season? 85 days. 85 days. 85 days. Except for on the weekends when we're watching golf.

That's right. So you can do some quick math there. Probably 60-some days. Maybe tennis. Where we're going to be watching. Maybe tennis, you're right. Maybe 58 days. We're going to be watching this sport.

Two finals, yeah. It involves lumber, a ball, a pitcher throwing that ball who's always trying to cheat. Of course. And then a stadium that's either there to say, fuck the ownership, or there to say let's go win a title. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to bring in the voice of baseball. ESPN Insider, Stallion Jet Passer.

How are you, pal? Gentlemen, gentlemen, how are you? I'm doing great. You have football training camp, don't you? Isn't isn't that starting up like next week? Dude, the OTAs just ended. And the only conversation is that Stefan Diggs is not practicing, but he's in the building. And McDermott's very concerned.

And the Jets are taking a whole week off because life is good. And that's really what you got to fake talk about. Training camp's even worse, Jet. I mean, it is. Training camp's even worse yet i mean it is training camps even worse like you know what this three out of uh uh dayton ohio might become a guy in the slot for like it is we used to get very excited for training camp we used to be like here we go football's back and then we just realized it's just like a one month process before like actuality shit yes but i will say training camp stories much more in our wheelhouse than baseball,

which is why we bring you in. How's baseball doing this year? We had CC Sabathia on like a week ago. He is amazing. They should be putting him on a camera as much as possible. I don't know how much they are. If they are, I know he did that MLB clubhouse thing.

How's baseball doing new rules. Good for the game. Who's going to win it all. Like, can you catch us up as we get dipped into your world all of a sudden here? New rules are great for the game. The game's actually going by, on average, about two and a half hours, Pat. It's not bad. I don't know. It's not bad compared to the three plus that it was average last year.

So that's good. You know, the Pittsburgh Pirates are in first place. I don't know if you realize. Yes, they are. Lost the Cubs yesterday, though. Yes, they are. Yeah, we fucking relaxed for a day. Sorry about it.

If you look at the standings right now, Pittsburgh Pirates are in first place. Tampa Bay Rays are in first place tampa bay raids are in first place baltimore orioles right behind them uh texas rangers are in first place minnesota's in first place atlanta's in first place the arizona diamondbacks are in first place this is a very nfl-like season in that the teams that you are not expecting to be good can be at the top of their divisions. You know, the teams that are spending money, the San Diego Padres stink. What?

New York Mets stink. Like these teams that everybody thought, yeah, there you go, standings. It's not the teams that you would expect to be at the top right now. And that's why I think it's been a fascinating first half so far. Yeah, I agree. And those standings right there certainly tell a story. That's right. Raymond Weedon. They do. right now and that's why i think it's been a fascinating first half so far yeah i agree and those standings right there certainly tell a story that's right they do absolutely do there's no way i could read that from where i'm standing they're very small but congrats everybody that's on those standings right there i am pumped about it i don't like the teams that aren't spending money

or benefiting right now because this means in the future what's it mean jet it means that the teams are going to say why do we need to have to go out and spend money in free agency if we can just win without doing it don't love it don't love that in any sport okay and i understand money ball was a thing there for a while they made a fucking movie about it put brad pitt in it yep it's like these teams are trying their best to explain to people that they don't have to pay players they got brad pitt showcasing there or whatever that so now that Cohen comes into the league and this guy's spending all the money and then the guy doesn't even get into the league because we're a baseball

classic and they're not. And the Pirates who literally I mean there was a sell the team. I understand what's going on in Oakland which we should certainly talk about and we'll talk about because that is fantastic. How many people have bought into something to go do is fantastic. I dropped the people have bought into something crazy to go do

is fantastic i dropped the back don't drop the ball it's okay everything's all right the buckos though sell the team was like our kind of rally cry for a bit not we're not the first we're certainly won't be the last but there was a shirt that said sell the team that a kid actually wore with the fucking owner of the piracy ha hey smiles at it, and we're like, to our point, this doofus needs to not be running this. And all of a sudden, what, you bring Kutch back? And then the team just goes on this insane run, and they're good? Is he a good owner now? Are they trying to win?

Are all these guys that are doing well getting traded out of town like classic Pittsburgh Pirates? Or is there a chance this team goes on a run, Jed? The National League Central is terrible. So I could absolutely see the Pittsburgh Pirates winning the division. I could also see the Cincinnati Reds winning the division. Whoa, whoa, whoa. They got that De La Cruz.

Yeah, Ellie. That De La Cruz guy who hits balls out of parks. That's unbelievable. Yeah. Both Central divisions are just wide open right now. And in the American League, Minnesota's on top, but Cleveland could make a run. The American League Central's a nightmare. It's a disaster. But the National League Central's interesting because the Reds are young. They were in Kansas City this week, so I got to see them. They have good energy man you know that thing that's really difficult to quantify sometimes or to explain about a team where you just know you feel something about a team when you're there like this is a good team this is six to midnight right now oh yeah jacked up kirk kirk loves it i don't know if you saw him and rosenthal go into a knockdown drag out 10 to 15 rounder yeah on

twitter that involved a couple of different opinionated articles and numerous tweets. Fucking loved him showcasing how big of a Reds fan he is. Cause he is diehard. He's going to love to hear that. You're talking about like camaraderie, like if a team likes each other, they're going to be better. I assume that helps in baseball as well. Or are you just talking about the energy of them knowing that they're going to be great? I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's, you know, baseball is different than basketball or football because guys come up through the system together, right? Like you're down in the minor leagues grinding for years. You're trying to make the big leagues. In football, you get drafted onto a team, you know, you have a bunch of young guys

who were together who start there and then can grow into something but in baseball you have guys who have been together for two three four five sometimes years down in the minor leagues just trying to get to the big leagues and when you have a team like Cincinnati that has all of these good young prospects it reminds me a lot Pat of the Baltimore Orioles who were horrendous just a horseshit baseball team losing 105-plus games a year for like half a decade. And now they're one of the best teams in baseball because they rebuilt the right way. And the Cincinnati Reds have been going about it the same way. Last year they were unwatchable at the beginning of the season.

And now they look like the team to beat in the National League Central, maybe already this year. Okay, so to the point we were just talking about before we started this direct conversation about the Reds camaraderie, their owner, right, said to the fans, where are you going to go? Are you going to be a fan of another team? Shut up. Pretty much. You want me to sell this team?

The new owner is going to take this team, you know what they're going to do? Right out of town. Sit down, shut the fuck up, and let us play baseball poorly. Pretty much, it was opening day. It was opening day last year. He had red pants on. That wasn't exactly what he said.

If this is his first time listening to us do a show, that is how it was taken. That was how it was taken on the internet. Pat, that's pretty much what he said, though. That is. And that's the sad part about being a fan in 2023. It's that he's not necessarily wrong. You don't say it, but it's the reality that every fan has to deal with in a smaller market

because there is nothing in baseball that's compelling owners to go and spend money. There is no salary cap. There is no salary floor. So they can go about doing whatever they want. You just hope that you have ownership that is bought in and that is willing to go out and spend money and compliment this young core that the Reds have built right now. I mean, that's the thing. The Orioles, they are not spending money. The Rays, they are not spending money. The Reds, they are not spending money. The Pirates, they are not spending money.

Well, of course. Well, you gave a $100 million contract to somebody. That's right. Oh, yeah. Sign Brian Reynolds. Yeah, of course. Well, you gave a $100 million contract to somebody. That's right. Oh, yeah. Sign Brian Reynolds. Sign Brian Reynolds. Yeah. So get over it, okay?

Change your tune about the Pittsburgh Pirates. Remember? Okay? Because we're good now. You just said it, not me, okay? But you're saying Reds right now have a chance to go win a pennant? Is that what it's called? Mm-hmm.

Reds have a chance to win the division. Like, it is, I mean mean the brewers have lost i think five in a row the brewer the brewers just got swept by the a's yeah oh got it so they're not gonna win a pen a pennant is the afc championship yeah it's the nfc championship are they in the nfc or the a they're in the nfc so they're that would be an nfc championship they would be eagles niners there you go okay so really niners have red on their jersey just like the Reds. Are the Reds going to, do the Reds potentially win the NL or not? Who else is in the NFC?

Atlanta, the Dodgers. Yeah, why don't we scroll there now that Pat can actually read it. We got the Diamondbacks. They're young. Pat, you would like the Diamondbacks. They are a young, interesting team full of guys who have played football in the past. Like Jake McCarthy, an outfielder there, was a big-time football recruit. Diamondbacks.

I think the owner's a West Virginia guy too, isn't he? Yeah, he is. That's literally the guy. The guy. He is the West Virginia football team right now. His bank. Go Diamondbacks. This guy's a dog.

All right, let's go win one for the guy. Last question from me before Ty has some and all the boys, because we have all come to the realization we're going to have to watch baseball. We want to watch people compete. We're going to watch baseball. We're going to see clips of baseball everywhere on our timeline. It's going to happen. Oh, yeah.

It's already happening, but, I mean, I don't know. You want to know the clip that I saw a lot of? Boy, that Oakland Athletics owner is not well liked by his fans. And the reverse boycott is a fascinating thing. As soon as I learned about it I thought to myself, this is not a this is, you're giving this person

more money. Why would you I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to be creative about what a boycott is, but you're just giving this fucking person money. It's not good. But then when they go in and they perform the way they perform. So cool. And the A's are winning games, obviously, amongst this entire thing.

But them getting full stadium, sell the team chance. Hell yeah. Them going completely silent. Fifth inning. Hell yeah. I love everything they're doing. If this is what the Oakland A's fans have always been and they feel like they're getting bamboozled and they just want to

showcase to the world one last time. Hey, this is our victory parade. This is how good of fans we've been. They fucked it up. That stadium is terrible though. I don't know how they're still paying money to go in there. They should pay people to go into that stadium. I played there like 10 years ago. It was the worst stadium that we were in. I couldn't imagine what it is now.

But that whole situation, can you explain it to me? Because I don't know how we got here and what is happening with the athletics. In 2000, Pat, the Oakland A's believed that the Oakland Coliseum was unfit for housing a Major League Baseball team. So this is something that goes back nearly a quarter century. They have been trying to move out of that stadium for 20 plus years at this point. They tried to go to San Jose. San Francisco Giants blocked that. They tried to go to Fremont. That didn't happen. And they've been trying to get a stadium in Oakland for the last 10 years. And a deal just hasn't come together.

And two years ago, they got permission from Major League Baseball to start looking for other relocation possibilities. And, of course, they went to Las Vegas because every professional sports franchise wants to go to Vegas these days. They see what the Knights do. They see what the Raiders have done in the stadium that they've gotten. And in April, the A's announced that they had a binding agreement to purchase land in Las Vegas and move the team there. Now, this was all contingent on getting funding to help out with the stadium. You know, public money, taxpayer money, government money being given to a billionaire, essentially, which is a whole other story. But yesterday, of all days, the Nevada Senate pledged $380 million

toward a baseball stadium that will be on the Las Vegas Strip. On that same day, 27,000-plus fans came out, not just to watch their Oakland A's team that won its seventh consecutive game, but to yell again and again, inning after inning, sell the team, sell the team. And it was just a beautifully organic thing. And it reminded me a lot. This was pointed out on social media, so I'm not going to take credit for it. We associate

the Oakland A's with Moneyball, the movie. This was major league happening in real life. Seven straight wins as the team is trying to tank, as the team is looking to move out

of town. It's like film coming to life and seeing Oakland, which has just been a terrible team this year, but which has had the Warriors taken away to San Francisco, the Raiders taken away to Las Vegas, and now losing its last professional franchise. It's a sad story for a great sports town and seeing those fans do what they did last night. I think it was a really cool thing for the fans town and seeing those fans do what they did last night i think it was a really cool thing for the fans to see the a's come back and a really cool thing for the a's players to see the support that they had from these people who have just been done dirty again and again through the years by the ownership yeah it's uh fascinating 23 years a

long time trying to get a new stadium and that would make sense that 23 years ago because that stadium sucked then. So now that they're still there, I would assume the players don't love being Oakland A's either. No. Whoa, whoa, whoa, inside. One guy had to check his earpiece. Put it on the ticker, actually.

Oakland A's players don't like being Oakland A's players. Let's put it this way. There are some guys who, when they get no trade clauses, they have partial no trade clauses. guys who when they get no trade clauses they have like partial no trade clauses almost everyone with a partial no trade clause has oakland as one of the teams on it ace fans you don't deserve any of this no pat the toilets there don't work oh yeah i have plumbing problems possum that lives in the station problems it's a terrible stadium. It should have been condemned years ago. That's what they got. Look, as bad as ownership there has been,

and it's been really bad, the politicians in Oakland haven't done a great job of getting a stadium there either. They're finally scrambling now saying, we can get one done if someone wants to own the team and actually invest in it, we can have that happen.

But, yeah, the whole thing is just sad. What do you know, local politics? Connor said Oakland hasn't done it. The local politicians haven't done a good job with. And before you could say handling it, he said Oakland as a whole. No, no. This guy took a shot at the entire city. No, I was taking a shot at the country.

I don't think you have to just point at Oakland. I think you can go broader. Hey, Connor, are you done bitching about not having any sports other than baseball yet, by the way? Jed, I have just begun, my friend. I'm going to be bitching until September 7th. Yep, can't wait.

All you do, just a little bitch. What the hell? Come on, Jet. Now I'm definitely not watching baseball. Oh, I hope you're happy, Jet. They're changing rules to bring in fans, and now Jet's cutting them down one at a time. Pushing them away, and I was thinking about it, too.

I saw you were talking about it. We talked about it earlier. Hey, you know what? I'm going to watch Red Sox tonight, and guess what? Jet Paz has called me a little bitch, and I'm never going to watch baseball again. Wow, I was thinking about it, too. I was thinking about it. We were talking about it. We talked about it earlier. Hey, you know what? I'm going to watch Red Sox tonight. And guess what? Jet Pass has called me a little bitch. You know, I'm never going to watch baseball again. Wow.

Hope you're happy, Jet. Hope you can sleep at night taking money out of the pockets of players. Wow. Ty has a question for you, Jet. You're worse than those politicians at Oakland. Yeah. Jeez Louise, Jet. Hey, it is great to see you, though.

It is great to see you, Jet. Happy to see you, Jet. Happy to see you, Jet. Happy to hear you still got the fastball, by the way. Ty has one for you. Jeff, do you have any updates on Aaron Judge's injury status? I think it said he had turf toe. And, like, you know, Yankees fans kind of joke about it tongue-in-cheek,

but they literally cannot win when he doesn't play. He is their entire team with the exception of Garrett Cole and maybe one or two other guys. So, do you have any idea how long he's going to be out? And also, when the fuck is Carlos Rodon going to pitch? Ever? You know, they give the guy $162 million, and he fucking hurts his back every other day.

So what the hell is going on? And who would be a bigger disappointment if they don't make it a deep run in the playoffs this year, them or the Mets? Oh, I think the Mets. Because the Mets, frankly, have invested like $475 million-plus in this team, and they can barely be $500 million. The Mets and the Padres are clearly the two biggest disappointments in baseball this year. The fact that the Yankees are sort of staying alive when playing Willie Calhoun and Jake Bowers and Isaiah Kiner-Falefa. Billy McKinley.

Yeah, Billy McKinney. I mean, it's wild. And you're right. Without Aaron Judge, the New York Yankees will not win. It's as simple as that. Aaron Judge is the best hitter in the world right now. And every time he's out there on the field, he continues to prove it. And when he's out, it's a completely different team.

And, you know, it's confusing because nobody really knows when he's going to come back. You think it's a toe. It's just a toe. He should be fine. But Aaron Judge sometimes takes a little bit extra time to heal up. Yeah, Ferraris don't just go in for a standard oil change. No doubt. Hey, listen, I I'm,

I'm not begrudging him at all. I would rather Aaron judge, not rush back and, and potentially re injure himself because he is so integral to that team. Carlos for Don. I mean, he was out there throwing a live BP and hit Willie Calhoun. Actually.

The fact that he's out there doing live BPs, the next step will be a rehab assignment, and he'll have to be down there and build up probably three starts at least. But if Carlos Fernand comes back healthy, Ty, and Garrett Cole pitches the way that he's been pitching, and, you know, Herman's been good lately, they have rotation depth. They have starting pitching.

They just need a bat. And, you know, the trades that they have made at the deadline in recent years to go out and get bats have not turned out particularly well, whether it's Joey Gallo, Benintendi last year. The Yankees, let's put it this way. I think the Yankees are very clearly, at best, the third-best team in that division. They're calling Joey Gallo and no Woody. I think the Orioles are better.

They were. No Woody. They were, yeah. Joey Gallo can't fucking see the curveball right now, can't see the laces. Well, he doesn't play for the Yankees anymore because he struck out every single time he was up, and then he went to the Dodgers and hit like eight homers

in his first week with the team. Yeah, now he's with the Twins and having a great year. Yeah, exactly. Jeez, you guys just can't. It's a tight turn against the yankees guys can't play under the bright lights aaron hicks another guy is absolutely atrocious for the yankees goes to the orioles and has just been blazing hot in his first you know five six games with them it's just the way it works i thought he's in live i thought there was reports that yeah that was a that was a meme account that said he was leaving the Yankees to go pursue his live golf dreams

because he is a good golfer. That's what I was thinking too. What if Steph Curry and Klay put on a performance in this match? What if Steph's chipping in all over the place and Yassir Al-Rumian is like, you know what we need? We need Steph

Curry. Offer him $3 billion to come golf and live. Yeah, buy Golden State. Steph Curry's been trending too. I don't know if you saw why. No, why? His wife like fake took off her wedding ring and some dude carried like champagne glasses shirtless onto the stage. I hope everything's okay.

Yeah, people are saying it's not okay. Could you imagine if Steph did that? Exactly. Oh my God. Yeah, that's exactly what people were saying. It's all okay. Could you imagine if Steph did that? Exactly. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's exactly what people were saying. It's all right. They love each other. Yeah.

It's all good. It's love. There were some reports before this happened regarding the relationship, and now that this was caught on live TV camera, a lot of people are saying no way. They're showing their relationship for a while. They're married all the time. They're pretty sure it's on Holy Moly. Yeah They're a miracle. They're producers on Holy Moly.

Yeah, you're right. He was probably filming Holy Moly. They both hate low-income housing. All right, that's a whole other topic. I know, just a list of things they both like. Yeah, there's a lot going on. When you're at the top of the mountain, they're in a big place.

They're going to be just fine. But if Steph did that scumbag, worst guy, would not win a philanthropic award ever again, bro. Like the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar award for charity. Bingo. Would not happen. No way. Did you see what he did? He embarrassed his wife.

Can't do it. Pac-Man has a question for you, Jet. Jet, the Mets game the other day, this kid didn't even throw a fucking pitch. They put him out the game. It's everybody cheating. What is this shit? Tell me what it is. I didn't see no grease on his pants. He kept touching his hat. He looked at all the refs.

They looked at his hand. They touched his hand. He go back to his teammates. They touched his hands and they still kicked his ass out of the game. Is he cheating? Are they all cheating? What is going on with this? Peck, I didn't even know you were here. That's a great question. Great question.

Hell yeah. I'm thankful you're here, Peck. Yeah. I was going to say, you are just Uso splashing off the top rope every time. Nice. Yeah, listen, they've been cheating in baseball for 150 years now, trying to put all kinds of different substances on the ball. And that's not changing now.

And clearly a 10-game suspension is not necessarily deterrent enough to take a player from using the sticky stuff. And he's the second Mets guy this year after Max Scherzer to do it. And there's really no appeal to this. So he will serve a 10 game suspension. I don't know what was on his fingers. You know, the issue I have here, there's no great solution to this, but it's such a subjective thing. If an umpire touches your hands and you're a pitcher and he thinks they feel too sticky, he will run you from the game and you get

suspended for 10 games. And there's no objective way to measure how sticky it is, what it's like. Like, there's no good solution to this right now. In Major League Baseball, like... What if it's how you sweat? Could be. This is like, so whenever the NFL was trying to put in, like...

Do you sweat sticky? You don't know. You don't know me. Some days. You don't know. I don't personally, but jeez, I'm not judging anybody that does. Whoa, whoa, Jen. Hold on, is sweating sticky a thing?

Yeah. You tell me. Yeah, if it's humid. I don't know. It's a big Canadian thing because they eat a lot of maple syrup. So like in the NFL, the NFL was trying to put it bingo. That is a perfect example. In the NFL, they were trying to put in HGH testing.

In the NFLPA, it was like, well, what's the baseline? You're going to baseline just a bunch of regular-ass motherfuckers versus NFL guys? And that was the fight for like two years. Like, what's the baseline? We don't have a baseline. Then they start, we never heard a final answer for that. And then they just start drawing blood for HGH testing, and nobody ever failed. So it felt like the NFL was like, we just have to fucking

at least act like we're testing for it. All right, deal. All right, you can draw blood from guys, I guess, same day at games and everything like that. They're not going to be happy,

but we don't have to do it, so fuck them. What if there was a standard? Is there a standard on how a hand's supposed to feel? Like, what if somebody does naturally sweat a little bit more sticky?

Like, when it's humid out in the atmosphere, it's already fairly saturated, making it difficult for the sweat from your body to evaporate. Since that sweat cannot evaporate, it tends to cling onto the body, giving you that overall sticky feeling. Yeah, because people lick their fingers

to get them a little bit stickier. I wonder if there's been a player that has been naturally more sticky than everybody else. Sorry. How do they get to this point? How does it even get to this point, Jed? You know what I mean? Is it ref discretion? Yeah. How do they get to this point? How does it even get to this point, Jed? You know what I mean? Is it ref discretion? Yeah. How do we get there?

I just want to know, if somebody were naturally more sticky than other people, is that something you would admit to? Do you say that out loud, Pat? Well, if I was going to get kicked out of a fucking game before I even threw a pitch, I'd be like, yo, I'm super sticky. Sorry.

Sue me. Yeah, I think CeCe said he was a natural sweater. And then with the rosin. No, the rosin. He never used the rosin, though, he said. No, what was the other stuff? He said he used something. Maybe it wasn't the rosin.

The bag? That's rosin. I thought he said just his sweat. Yeah, I think he said, I'm always sweating. I remember him saying that. But he said that his hand was a little bit. I thought it was the rosin. I thought so, too. I thought it was sweat rosin. Yeah, I thought so, too.

I thought it was sweat and rosin. Yeah. What would you use, Jed, if you had to do it? You bopping in there? Spider tack. Are you kidding? That's illegal, Jed. I'd use the good shit if I was going to.

CeCe said he was pissed off because the guy that created it is like a friend of his. And he didn't tell him about it. And it's like... Could you imagine CeCe Sabathia with that stuff? His slider. He's a player, huh? CeCe was a guy? He's a friend of his and didn't tell him about it and it's like could you imagine cc sabathia with that stuff his slider he's a player huh cc was a guy he's a hall of famer absolutely yeah didn't joe uh what's his name trardy yeah he said he started crying on this clip that i saw and he was like if there was ever a big game i wanted a ball in cc sabathia's hand and then you listen to cc sabathia and when joe would try to take him out, he'd say,

there ain't a motherfucker in that bullpen that should have this ball other than Mariano Rivera. And then, see you later. Or whatever. So CeCe stays in there. I was learning about him during the conversation. I'm like, I fucking love this guy. How many of those guys are in the majors? There's a lot of great dudes, it seems like, in the majors that we never know about.

I mean, CeCe, he's a fascinating story. He's from Oakland, actually. So he grew up playing ball in Oakland, came up with Cleveland at 20 years old. And I mean, he almost lost his career to substance abuse. Like he had a drinking problem. Boozer.

Yeah, got sober, lost weight, came back, pitched into his late 30s. lost weight, came back, pitched into his late 30s. He was a dog, like a Pat McAfee certified dog. He would go out there and throw and throw and throw. Even when his stuff wasn't good at the end of his career, he was a grinder. And the guy you love to see,

you know he's going to succeed at whatever he does. He's one of those guys. Yeah, we loved him. All right, just like we love you, we appreciate you. Let's going to succeed at whatever he does. He's one of those guys. Yeah, we loved him. All right. Just like we love you, we appreciate you. Let's enjoy baseball season. Here we go. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen.

Let's. Jet pack. Let's. What do we say? We shall. Why not? Shall we? Hey, Connor.

Yeah. Are we going to enjoy this shit? Yeah, you know what, Jet? We are going to enjoy this shit. Wow, sounding like a little bitch just flopping like that. Ladies and gentlemen, Jet Passer. Yeah, Jet Passer. He kind of came after you a little bit. He did.

Yeah, he did. I mean, he always does. You got to expect that on the jet circling. But I will give baseball a try. I did three weeks ago, and boy, I fucking hated it. But we'll try again now. Maybe it's time that there's no NBA in it. Yeah, watch the clips.

Watch the clips. Watch the clips. It's good. It's a good clip show. Clip show. Hey, speaking of clip show, I just read a clip about an NFL player gambling. You FaceTimed Florio. I just texted him.

He said he's good. Again? Big. This is, yeah. This is big. It came through while Jet was talking there, and I had to check it out. NFL player reportedly has lost $8 million gambling on sports last year. That's not good.

So I don't know how they have that information, first of all. And then what is that information, and of all. And then, what is that information? And what does that mean for all of this? Did that person bet on NFL games as well? Is that person getting suspended? Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, founder of Pro Football Talk of NBC Sports, a man who's been covering the NFL for a long time. Howie said he's top

five conspiracy theorists around the NFL and the history of it. Paizano, author, father of mine. Available now. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Paizano, author, father of mine, available now. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Paizano. What's up, guys? The problem with being top five anything, that means you're number five.

You're top five, you're number five. You've got some work to do to get to number one. No, no, no. I think he was thinking in no particular order. He would just throw you into the pantheon of conspiracy theorists in the NFL's history. That is not what this is about. What this is about is Great West Virginia Polo.

Let's go, Mountaineers. We're beating Penn State Week 1 in Happy Valley. I think we got a shot, actually. I'm not ready to sign on to that. We got the best offensive line. Boom. Our offensive line is the highest paid in college football.

Yeah. By the Diamondbacks owner, who is currently number one in the NL West. All things are looking up for Garrett Green. GG, too. He's going to be a dog. Anyways, great polo, great jersey. Let's dive into this. I believe it was your report.

I was kind of scanning through it while we were talking a little bit of baseball there. The report inevitably says NFL player has lost $8 million from gambling in 2022 via Pro Football Talk by way of John McCain, obviously formerly of the Houston Chronicle, I do believe. Florio, what does this mean? How do they know this information? Who is kind of finding that out? And was this on one of the guys who's getting suspended by the NFLfl for gambling well let me tell you how this all came up i was talking to somebody within the broader

nfl hierarchy about this today because the real question is why does the nfl allow players to gamble on anything sports related if you're a non-player you can't gamble on any sport. NFL, obviously. You're talking coaches, front office people. Anybody who doesn't put on a uniform. In the NFL. Right. If you're employed by the league or a team, you can't bet on anything, anytime, any place, legal or not.

But players, players can. They can bet on non-NFL games or events if they're not at work. And I don't think they do a very good job of educating the players where that line is. You can stand outside the facility, Colts facility. You're an employee of the Colts. You can stand outside the front door. You can pull up your phone. You can dial up the DraftKings, the FanDuel, the BetMGM, and you can make a bet.

You walk inside. You can't do it. It's a threat to the integrity of the game once you walk inside. If you're not on the street, it's okay. make that make sense pat yeah how's that make sense well it doesn't also the hotel and away games and then because like at the facility you're talking about they still own the fucking parking lot right so they're gonna talk about that you would technically technicality here go outside the gate onto the street and do it there. But away game, like if you're on the street of your hotel, like you're not on hotel property.

So like that was kind of a thing that we were very fascinated by about that whole thing. But also it is interesting, and I saw what Sim said on your show. I read it where he was like, well, he thinks that this is potentially the sports folks telling the NFL because they are in partnership with each other. Obviously there's a lot of money to be made together. They all understand that.

That they think, like, keep the young guys that have millions of dollars available. Please allow them to continue to gamble. And I guess that is potentially something that could take place. But then whenever you learn of a guy losing $8 million, who tells you that? Is that somebody from, does the league know that somebody lost $8 million? Does the sports book know that a guy lost $8 million? Is this normal? What are you hearing from that whole aspect? The sports books know everything. We already know that somebody lost eight million does the sports book know that a guy lost eight million dollars is this normal what are you hearing from that whole aspect the sports books know everything we already know that that's how the nfl is finding out that guys are violating the policy

the sports books are basically ratting out the players and in some states they have to the gaming commission has rules and regulations about who is and who isn't betting and if you're tied to a team if you're doing it they supply the information etc, et cetera, et cetera. But that's the bottom line. That's how the NFL is finding all this out. This came up because I was talking to somebody who is in a position to know this kind of stuff. And I trotted out the Sims conspiracy theory. He's trying to get one of the spots in the top five as well that the sports books want the nfl to let the whales keep betting because who better than a guy in his early 20s mid 20s late 20s even 30s with a ton of disposable income yeah and a competitive juice a little action this is fun everybody's doing it the ads

are everywhere yeah you want a guy like that to bet pat you want a guy like that at the table you don't want to push him away so that's how how I found this out. I was telling somebody about the fear and it's like, wow, you know, somebody lost eight million last year. A guy in our league lost eight million last year. Now, I don't know if it was legally or illegally wagered. I assume it was through legal betting in the right place, proper time. But the bottom line is somebody lost $8 million last year wagering on sports. So it just shows you that this is a problem. This is prevalent, and a lot of guys are doing it. And I don't know if there's anybody else in that magnitude of losses,

but if you total it all up over 2,000 players, it's going to be a lot of money that is flowing from the players to the sports. I've seen a couple million kind of just swing hands in Boo-Ray and in Cornhole. So I would assume if you could potentially get on an app and make some gambles. Now they're all regulated legally, so the amount of that you can bet in a jumping bet, I think, would be certainly something.

I don't want to knock off Chris Sims' conspiracy theory here too early, but if the sportsbooks are the ones ratting out the players to the NFL, then they wouldn't be the ones that would just be wanting them to be in there no think right but they have to i think right from a regulatory standpoint i think they have to if they have that information because we all are carrying around big brother this is the thing that's ratting us out this is the thing that's betraying us isaiah rogers seemed to think it was good enough based on the reports to to have an accountant someone else's name. This is the thing that's ratting you out.

This is the thing that is the pings from the phone to the apps. And I think folks have to do it. There's no other way you can bet it, though. So you're going to get ratted out anyway. Regardless. Yeah. Like the whole, you know, because they've been using towers pings on phones forever and all, whatever. Long time.

But now with actual sports gambling, you have to geolocate when you're logging in. Like, it actually tells you at the bottom, hey, we are currently tracking where you are, just like on the Google map or the Apple map where you're the little blue dot. They're doing the exact same thing. I would assume and hope that the NFL will let guys know that, that they know exactly where you're gambling at. But it is a slippery slope, it does sound like. Speaking of slippery slope, you'd be the guy that would know all about this particular one because dad being

a bookie running with the mob a little bit over there in Wheeling, West Virginia has led to a book that you wrote called father that's available now. Available Amazon ebook, 499 print edition, 1379. You can get it in time for your own father for father's day weekend. Well, congratulations on a successful launch of that, and you are a great person to talk about this whole thing because I believe in the article that you wrote on Pro Football Talk, which you own and founded, you said, one thing my dad

kind of showed me as a kid, as a bookie, was like, you can never win. Like, you will never win. And now, there's been stories, obviously, of a few professional handicappers who have won over the span of their entire life and made careers out of it most of them ended up in jail somehow because of some sort of inside information and everything like that but a lot more people i think end up not

winning is what you were trying to say to the world and maybe something to think about as we dive into this next generation the three things he told me the three words you can't win and i have no desire to try look i walked into a casino for the first time when I was 20 years old in Lake Tahoe, Nevada. I walked in, I looked around, and I saw how nice it was, and it occurred to me, all that money is coming from all the suckers that have been in here before me. Whoa! You treat it as education, not educational, but entertainment money, and educational, too. But you've got to be responsible with it.

You carve off what you're willing to lose, and that's that. You're not going to make money from it. You're going to lose over the long haul. And as we know, $8 million, I'm told, reliably. And there's plenty of other people out there losing a lot of money. And that's the problem. And the NFL is making a lot of money off of it, too. So it's hypocritical at some level.

And it's a problem the league's got to deal with. Yeah, I agree. It's going to be a lot of money. It it too. So it's hypocritical at some level, and it's a problem the league's got to deal with. Yeah, I agree. It's going to be a lot of money. It's going to be a trillion-dollar business. Everybody's thinking there at some point. You know what I mean? Like down the road, there's a potential the amount of money that's going to come through the sports books is going to be absurd. Only in 22 states right now.

We assume there's going to be about 40, probably 40 to 5 that will end up agreeing to it. There's still a lot of growth, a lot of time to learn. Before we let you go, and we can't thank you enough for joining us, Connor just reminded me, what are you hearing about Saquon, huh? Not only Saquon, but Stephon Diggs as well. And I know those are two very complicated situations, probably, but if you give us a quick little thing for us to

bite on and chew on for the next couple hours, we'd be very grateful. I just got a text from one of my writers that Diggs is back at practice. Okay! Diggs is back at practice. Okay. Here we go. Diggs is back with Josh. But at least they found a way to get him to come back. Whatever he was upset about yesterday, he's not upset enough to be back.

And he's right next to Josh, which is a big deal because there's a lot of internet stuff going on about Josh and Stefan maybe being on the outs with each other because he owned it, took responsibility as a leader should, right? And would, you would hope. He said, I could be better as well. And then he overstated how much he fucking loved him as a message to him. So hopefully it was just a disagreement. Von Miller said it's not that serious.

I think 10 times in his press conference it's not that serious. He's back there. Good for the Buffalo Beals. Okay, what are you hearing about Saquon, Mike? Well, look, we hear about guys who stay away from mandatory minicamp, and there's a difference between the guys who are under contract and the guys who aren't under contract. Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs aren't under contract, franchise tag that they haven't accepted yet. So they're no more an employee of their teams than

we are. Until they sign, until they accept the tender, they're not doing anything that would subject them to a fine. They're not breaking their contract. But they have until July 17. That's the key date for anyone with a franchise tag. And, Pat, you were franchise tagged once. You know how this goes. Oh, yeah, buddy.

You got a period of time, right? Once or more than once? Once, once, once, one time. Yep. Okay. So you got until the middle of July to do a long-term deal. After that, it's only a one-year deal that you can do. But that's when Barkley or Jacobs or any of the other guys out there like Evan Ingram, Tony Pollard are going to get a long-term deal. After that, it's only a one-year deal that you can do. But that's when Barkley or Jacobs or any of the guys out there like Evan Ingram, Tony Pollard are going to get a long-term deal or they're not. And Saquon's trying to get a fair long-term deal.

And what they do is you take the amount the guy's going to make this year, $10.1 million fully guaranteed. You look at next year, 20% raise. You package it together. It's $22.22 million fully guaranteed for Barkley over two years. That's a given. That's a no-brainer. That's the starting point. How much more do you do beyond that? How much more per year is he going to make over about $11 million or so? How much more guarantees are going to be? That's what they need to figure out. And I credit Saquon for calling out the Giants for leaking this idea that he was being greedy because they kind of did that to Eli Manning a few years ago when Eli Manning was getting toward the franchise tag

and negotiating a long-term deal somebody leaked that he wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL well the way the numbers worked under the franchise tag yeah he would have been because the market at that point was kind of stagnant so yeah technically he'd be the highest paid player in the NFL but it made him look unreasonable. It made him look greedy and it all traced back to the Giants. And Barkley saw that going on with him and to his credit, he called it out.

I'm not trying to reset the market, he said. I just want to be compensated fairly respectfully. What does that mean? Could mean two different things for a lot of people. Hopefully by July 17th, they get it done. Thank you so much for joining us, Mike. Good luck with the book, Father of Mine. Happy Father's Day too.

First Father Day for you. Hey, you as Mine. Happy Father's Day, too. First Father's Day for you. Hey, you as well, pal. Thank you, man. Hey, your bookie dad would be very proud of the Italian fuck you've become. We'll see. I'll meet up with him one of these days. We'll see what he says.

Yeah, I think you'll say you've done good, kid. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Hey, Florio! And he's obviously... He has participated in a Lode Stun the Cup championship party. Yes. A big one. Actual family member has won the Stun the Cup very recently.

Very, very recently. It is actually his Twitter photo right now. It's him pouring Lordo into Jack Johnson's mouth, having a nice beer over there in Ohio. Avid hockey watcher. I wonder what his big takeaway is, but he's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion. He's a Ryder Cup winner, but not a champion there.

He is the current champion of Ohio, which is basically the president of Ohio. So congrats to Mr. President on another great hockey season. A.J. Hawk. Yay! Mr. President, Mr. President, what are your thoughts on old Stoner and the boys getting the job done last night? I'll tell you what. How often do we see blowouts like that

in elimination games to win everything? I thought it was going to be a cagey affair, a little scrappy, but when Stoner got rolling early and they were just pumping pucks on that game. It was just like... Because Nick said it yesterday on the show. Nick said Bobrovsky, the goalie for the Florida Panthers,

throughout this playoff run has been standing on his fucking head. Unreal. There's an America's Got Talent Act where two guys actually stand on each other's head. Yes. That is what Bobrovsky was doing for the Florida Panthers. And if you're going to win a Stanley Cup, your goalie has to do that. Aiden Hill has done that numerous times for the Vegas Golden Knights. But during the finals here, Bobrovsky has looked, what'd you say?

Pedestrian. I believe that's how you described it. Yeah, and it's almost, it's like an insult kind of, but I didn't mean it to be because he's played so good coming into there. Now he's just kind of playing average and it just wasn't enough anymore. Yeah, so whenever that happens, Nick's not the only one to notice that. You know, the Vegas Golden Knights are like, hey, everything's going on the net right now.

We might steal one. You know what I mean? With the the way things are going right now we might fucking steal one and jack eichel almost did yeah and then the barbecue came in and yep yeah like they were just pumping pucks on that and i think i think any of us that know hockey all we've ever said is hey listen skates on ice bingo that's all we've ever said is hey listen skates on ice that's all we need you go to a hockey game all most people are saying around you shoot yeah shoot shoot get he's pissed off everyone's pissed off too they're super pissed when they don't shoot shoot the fucking shoot shoot it's like vegas last night just did it yeah and then they score nine all of a sudden it's like now me as fan who has screamed shoot so many times in an arena watching pittsburgh penguins i feel like yeah they just proved that i was right this entire time because they were shooting from fucking

everywhere every angle they were doing and taking advantage of bobrovsky potentially being a little bit in his own head but also them not having kachuk and we talked about this in the first hour aj people that are new to hockey don't know this the the injuries that are about to come out about the florida panthers team and this vegas golden knight team the injuries for the vegas gold knights probably won't come out until after their parade because the boys are like hey let's not ruin right not yet exactly i'm gonna do the parade at least no let's get me to there but once these injuries start coming out it's like i think respect is gained at a whole new level for these hockey guys what a hell of a year what a hell of a run.

Can't wait to see all of the injuries that have taken place. Well, I mean, yeah, they're just a whole league of throwback players, it feels like. I mean, I just remember old buddy who died on the ice and tried to come back. When did that happen? He had a heart situation. He was announced dead, and he tried to get back in the game. Well, hit puck.

When did that happen? You're talking about like the – I don't know if he got hit or what what three or four years ago five years six years ago oh i don't remember i don't know a dude had like cardiac arrest they pulled him off the side and they said when he when he kind of came to when they kind of got him stable he was trying to get back in the game yeah i think you're talking about rich beverly down in dallas but it's happened a couple times you guys mentioned chris pronger it's happened to him as well um rich beverly has heart jack. Jack was playing there. Jack was playing against him.

I was watching the game because I think it's against the Jackets. Okay, he has heart stop on bench. He was just sitting there? Can we scroll down? Yeah, he took a shift, came back to the bench, sat down on the bench, and then passed out, kind of keeled over on the bench, and they resuscitated him there. Peverly's heart stopped briefly during Monday's game,

which was immediately postponed and will be made up at a later date if necessary. While on the bench in the first round, Peverly appears to have gone into cardiac arrest. In the video below, you can see the reaction of the athletic trainer.

Stars players reacted properly by getting the hell out of the way. Calling for referees to stop the game. This guy's dead. Jim, that would be... That's nuts. But yeah, to your point,

I mean, Jack Eichel was certainly knocked unconscious on that hit from Kachuk. He was stumbling. He had whatever happen. And then third period comes back out, has on that hit from Kachuk. He was stumbling. He had whatever happened. And then third period comes back out, has a fucking goal. Kachuk, same thing. The guy, they lifted him.

This is the way it was described. We had to stand him up for game four, tape his pads on him, put the sweater on him, put his shorts on, put the skates on, and then we just kind of dumped them out onto the ice. That's pretty much what was said. And then he played a game, scored a goal, I think, started a couple fights, and then for game five, they were like,

we all decided that this is not a good look. We actually had four people had to stand him up. He couldn't even use his legs. Like, maybe not tonight. Carry him onto the ice. But that's like the hockey thing, and it's a fucking beautiful part of the game. Even that dude in the first round against the Golden Knights for the Winnipeg Jets. It's not

the same thing, but the fucking guy had to get like 75 stitches and then came back. He missed like one shift and came back and played 75 stitches. Like most people, you get 75 stitches. You're telling the story forever. Yeah, and you're probably in the hospital

on bed rest for weeks. 75 stitches is so fucking many. It was in the story forever. Yeah, and you're probably in the hospital on bed rest for weeks. 75 stitches is so fucking many. It was in the face, too. Eye? Yeah. Right around his eyes. He's like, come on, quick, hurry it up. Like, damn, that's one.

He keeps bleeding. What do you want to do? Hey, imagine if you talked to, I bet old school hockey guys, too, probably think, oh, these guys don't know what tough is. Like the guys from the 80s. They're wearing helmets. That's bullshit. So we actually is. Like the guys from the 80s and 90s. They're wearing helmets. That's bullshit.

So we actually talked about that because they changed the goon rule pretty much. They almost made it impossible to have a goon on the roster with the way salary caps set up and what the game was and what the penalties were going to be. So I think a lot of the old school hockey people were like, game's getting soft, game's getting soft. It's like this playoff series, there was a bunch of dogs out there. We appreciate them. And congrats to the Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers making it all the way.

We'll talk to Stoner in about an hour and ten minutes. Speaking of guys being tough, a new trailer has been released for a series called Quarterback, which is Omaha Productions and NFL Films coming together to document three quarterbacks as if it was like a reality show. Behind the scenes, full capture,

kind of displaying what it would be like to be a quarterback in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes, who won the Super Bowl, is being documented. A lot of behind the scenes stuff. Kirk Cousins, who had obviously the best year he's had in a long, long time while battling through some things, is in there. And Marcus Mariota, who obviously we all know the name of, but I think he got cut or released on his birthday. Yeah, his birthday. On his birthday, I think happened.

And they're filming everything all season long and they released the first trailer. It's going to be on Netflix July 12th, I believe. Hey, hey. Going to be good? Peyton runs, obviously, Omaha. Peyton and the Mannings own that thing. Yeah.

This is a fucking good one. Home run. This is going to be, be i think very well received because you know global is what the netflix audience is yeah that's why like the f1 thing did so well because everybody got to know all the drivers and it's a global thing here we go whenever you talk about the full swing with the golf global thing here we go people that aren't nfl fans somehow which are out there oh yeah which what. What are you doing, bro? What are we doing?

Them watching this, I think is going to make them respect the players that are at the top of the game, respect the grind, respect everything about it. And here is the trailer from Netflix and from NFL Films and from Omaha, ultimately, who owns the project. We are pumped for July 12th.

Here's a sneak peek, they said. Let's close stairs now and read, okay? Why does the NFL have so many rules against hitting quarterbacks? The quarterback throwing a pass is wide open for dangerous hits. An injury to the quarterback can sink a team's entire season. I'm going to take you out of here. No. Hell no. An injury to the quarterback can sink the team's entire season. Damn it! I'm going to take you out of here. No. Hell no. I'm good.

This is about as close as they'll ever get to seeing what it's like to be a quarterback in this league. I dedicate my life to football. All day. All day. I love to compete. I love the relationships that come with that. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. He's more. He's more. He's down. Oh, I would have gotten up.

Everybody sees the game days. They don't see the day-to-day grind. Every season is a roller coaster. Hey, you get one opportunity a week. Marcus will keep at it and score. Let's go! It's really nice to get him away from football and spend time with our family.

Oh, my gosh. He made it the first try. How many did y'all make? I can do that one. Just kind of a basic guy. We call it dad style. If ever I do go out of my shell it seems to become a thing let's go this was the turducken

you get one game plan one game and a completely different game plan the next that's a good ass hit though great play dog i know what i signed up for. You just gotta be able to buckle your chin strap up. I'm here all day. I'm here all day. I'm here all day. I'm here all day.

Jace. My instinct has always been I'm gonna be the guy to make the play. And I think that kind of gets me in trouble Holmes is in trouble scrambling to his right It's off the hip. And now fires it late. Caught. Oh! I'm like that. Oh. Dude. That last guy there wins the Super Bowl.

While they're filming it all. Let's go. How awesome was that, AJ? That's going to be pretty sweet. All the access. The player. They're in meeting rooms, in their houses. That's what makes it cool we get to see these people as humans and then also on the field as aliens that just seem to operate at a different level this is awesome yeah and the

fact that pat wins the super bowl yeah yeah and i believe there was reports that potentially jaylen was asked as well if they would have had jaylen in there as well and they have both them get to the super bowl then kirk cousins has like you know his great year and then the mariotta thing If they would have had Jalen in there as well, and they have both of them get to the Super Bowl, then Kirk Cousins has his year. Yeah, great year. And then the Mariota thing happens to him. It's like the series covers basically every fucking part of it all. So I guess the only thing that isn't there is Jalen or another one of these younger guys, but that's season two.

Yeah, exactly. That's season two with how awesome this thing's going to be. I love it. I would love to see Joe Burrow on there. That fits something that I think he will be interested in because he has that flair about himself. But that was really good, man. You get to dive into the players and the person,

not just the on-the-field stuff. And you get to see all the stuff that go into a Sunday. It's a long grind. Everybody thinks you just get there Sunday and play. It ain't. It's everything you do before Sunday. How about Kirk? Did we score?

Yeah. No. Oh, shit. I'm going to shut up. You know? He took a shot on that one. Yeah, they got them all mic'd up. Obviously, NFL Films has everybody mic'd up at all times.

But them being in partner with peyton doing this could anybody else have got it done i don't think so no way because like that amount of access everybody's like you know what i mean like there's a lot we see a lot of people teams have to agree to it as well like the teams have to be on board everybody does and imagine like the thousands of hours of footage you have to edit to get to make even a trailer like that i fucking loved it if it wasn't paying I don't think it would get done. Because they pretty much respect Peyton in knowing that nothing is going to get out that can affect the game. Yeah, because Peyton is a big, hey, let's not hurt the team.

You know what I mean? Let's not hurt the team. You think Peyton would have done this when he played? You think you would have let him give him all this access? That's a great question. No, no chance. That is a great question that I assume he was asked. But Mahomes, because they had Mahomes and they won the Super Bowl,

now it's, hey, this doesn't matter. We just did this in the first season ever, and the guy that we filmed won the Super Bowl. So if you think that there's something that might get affected because of it, it's not. It's you. It's not us. Yeah, we had Mahomes.

It's like Hard Knocks, you know, the Hard Knocks curse or whatever. Exactly, yeah. So them having the first season, the guy go win a Super Bowl, it's like, nah, nah. It's more so a sell. You guys suck. That's on you. That's not on us out here.

We've proven it already. Well, and with hard knocks, those guys hate that, and that's training camp. This is them throughout the entire regular season and the playoffs having a film crew in the buildings. I know the hard knocks in season kind of did that, but every team they've picked so far has absolutely stunk during that year. That is kind of the amount of trust that they have to show,

and I think it just underscores, hey, if Peyton's not the one executive producing and kind of behind this, I don't think this is getting made. It would be sweet if they really do dive into the therapy that people have to go through. Yeah. I saw them in the room. I saw them in the room there, and I guess with how much time it takes,

it wouldn't be easy to showcase or display. But just one 5 a.m. start of rehab, because you've got a meeting at 7 or whatever, and then you've got to do that. And that's on a Thursday or on a Wednesday, week 15. These guys are dead fucking tired tired late in the season. What do you have to do? Oh, I got to go in at 5 a.m.

And they're going to stretch this partially torn ligament. I have, it's going to hurt like hell. So I'm going to get five hours of sleep right here. And what am I waking up when I wake up? When an alarm goes off, what am I doing? I'm going into some of the most painful shit of all time. And I'm doing that just so that we can go to a meeting afterwards. And then into practice. And then into a lunch.

Then into another meeting. Then into a walkthrough. And then back into rehab again. And then going to bed. And guess what's happening tomorrow? Same fucking thing. It's like, it is wild if they're able to showcase that. I think the world who maybe doesn't appreciate the sport as much

and maybe the art of it and the commitment and dedication because they say, oh, you only have 17 games. That's how some people view it. You only have 17 games. It's like I hope they really get a chance to see what these weeks are like for people because it's just car crashes. It's just like, hey, this sport is car crashes. No matter how much they soften it, body shot, head shot,

still a shot that is happening at 20-some miles an hour with people who are like crafted weapons. And Kirk Cousins eat one. Getting crushed. In the middle of the thing, it's like, I just popped two ribs. What did Drew Brees have? Six broken ribs. And like a punctured lung, too.

I forget what it was. Well, hopefully we do get that with Mahomes, too, because remember after the Jacksonville game in the playoffs, that was the biggest story leading up. It was like, hey, they really don't know if he's going to be able to go this week. And then there was the press conference where we saw him walking off the stage all gingerly, and then we were looking at all the practice film, like see how he was moving. So hopefully they do dive into that with him getting ready for the AFC champion.

Yeah, he's the only one, too. Like at that point by then, Kirk Cousins got eliminated by the Giants. So after that second week of the playoffs, it better be. It's probably just Alma Holmes and like what he has to do. Because they also showed him using the Theragun when he was laying on the ground. And they also showed that. We got a couple of those Theraguns around. Oh, yeah.

We got a little elbow gun thing over there. It's in the back. I haven't opened it up yet. You got a couple of the stair guns around. Oh, yeah. We got a little elbow gun thing over there. It's in the back and I haven't opened it up yet. You got a tennis elbow? No. Pickleball elbow? No, pickleball. Rest in peace. Wear one of those sweet little braces on your forearm like people wear.

Okay, I will. And maybe they make it a Gary Vee one. Yeah, exactly. It would be called paddleball pat. Yep. Boom. Pickleball pat. And I have that elbow thing

i got a bandana like i'm fucking joe burrow joe burrow's in the news joe burrow at his press conference was asked an incredibly uncomfortable question by a local media person and i enjoy the fact that the person took the shot because we got a chance to hear how joey burrow views the whole entire situation hey joey who's the greatest quarterback in the game pal i don't know what joe burrow was supposed to say to that could be the right answer. This is what he said, though, when he was asked about the greatest of all time,

or greatest of right now. I don't think there's any argument right now. It's Pat. Tell somebody he has a better year than he's had. He's the one to knock off. Is he talking about me? He's talking about Mahomes. Patrick, though, yeah.

You have to call Mahomes Patrick. You do. It's Super Bowl. Do you? You have the highest. Yeah, you have to. QBR Thanksgiving. Yeah, so.

Until somebody has a better day. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Thank you, Joey. Yeah, it's quite awesome. What if you just followed up? You should have followed up. You mean McAfee or Mahomes?

What if he would have said? McAfee. Yeah, QBR Thanksgiving. Untouchable. Anyways, he's talking or Mahomes? What if he would have said? McAfee. Yeah, QBR Thanksgiving. Untouchable. Anyways, he's talking about Mahomes, though. I appreciate the fact that he's saying that. Also, not overly excited to be saying it, which I appreciate as a Cincinnati Bengals fan, I think. But what is Joe supposed to say to that?

I think that's the right answer, I guess. I think it's perfect. It seems like Joe seems very comfortable, obviously, in who he is. But just say whatever you like. He, he did. It sounds like when I, why people love him,

he's not giving you cliches. He's like, Oh yeah. He'll tell you exactly what he's thinking. It sounds like he's an Ohio. Fuck. That's like whenever they asked Joe Flacco, if he thought he was an elite quarterback.

Oh yeah. So what is Joe Flacco supposed to say? Yeah. Joe Flacco. Imagine Joe Flacco saying no to that. Then every Ravens fans, I guess guys got no confidence. Get them out of here.

I didn't, this guy, you want to lead men? No. Get this person out of here. Then he says, yeah, I think so. Joe. Joe Flacco. Really? Oh, this guy. That was the best. Felt like that a little bit, but Joey Burrow

handles everything great. He could very easily, when it's all said and done, be in the greatest of all time conversation. I think he knows that. I think he appreciates that. And shout out to Joe. And I respect to Joe. Yeah. And I respect what Joe said. You know, we got to get some jury on the wall before we can say something. For the first time ever.

So I think that was an honest and good answer, you know, as far as right now. But once you get the jury on the wall, I'm saying the trophy. Jury. Yeah, a couple rings. I watched that, what's that show where jury duty they're a jury yeah pretty good that's by them not talking about that yeah i'm talking about jury duty i believe

too is this where the one guy knows and yeah it's like a joe schmo show yeah where one person doesn't know that it's all scripted very good yeah very good show that's not what you're talking about there wasn't just like 12 humans voting on things on the wall. Yeah, inside the bank. Jury. Jury. Jury. Yeah.

Jury. Like Lou A. Rue. Jury. Got it. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, just got some jury. Yeah. Yeah.

World champion. Big jury. Brought a championship to a team and a franchise that has never had one. And obviously, he will give credit to all of his players, but he needs to be applauded as well. Every time we saw him working during a timeout,

he was fucking all in. Saw him on the sideline, he was fantastic. Whenever he was in his press conferences after the game, transparent and motivating at the same damn time. No one was on the precipice, but where they were. This guy managed expectations and navigated a road that is never easy to the top of the NBA.

His dad was a coach in the NBA. What? He's been in the NBA since 2001, 22 fucking years. Now he's a world champion head coach of the Denver Nuggets. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Malone. Yeah, coach! What's going on, guys? How are you?

Hey, fantastic. Not as good as you. Hey, not as good as you, but we are doing fantastic. How has it been here for about a day and a half as world champion Denver Nugget coach? World champion. I like that. Hey, it's going well.

It's going well. I'll be honest. It really hasn't hit me yet. It's so surreal trying to soak it all in with my family, with our coaches, with our players. And I was talking with Jared Bednar, the Avalanche head coach. And I said, when did it really hit you after last year's Stanley Cup? And he said, at the parade, you know, they want at the parade,

he got emotional and that's when it hit him. So maybe tomorrow as we have our parade celebrate with our fans here in Denver, it'll hit me, but I'm just so proud to be a part of something historical for this franchise and this city hell yeah you've earned it obviously all of you had and i hope the parade is fantastic and i hope joker enjoys it yeah it seems like it's a pretty inconvenient time for joker you know his town is actually hosting the serbian horse racing circuit this sunday we do believe

so there's a lot that it has to go on when he was informed of the thursday parade it was electrifying obviously we all saw that and i think we've learned the most about this guy who's already won two times uh MVP of the entire league this playoff run kind of forced into the national picture and there was a stat that we were just given that the Denver Nuggets are the first western conference team to win the NBA title that aren't in the state of Texas or California since 1979. Wow. Okay. It was the superstars when that happened.

And we've talked about this a lot, coach, and you can't pay attention to this because you just got to motivate the boys or whatever. Nuggets are never on prime time over here in the Eastern Standard Time Zone. You start listing off everything that is promoted in the NBA. Then your team, whenever we got to meet them, it's like, hey, this seems to be a team that's built on marble, hard workers. Their superstars don't give a fuck if they're superstars or if anybody knows it. Is this how the team has always been? Is this how the guys are? Is it a part of your culture? Why do you think your team is like that? And how pumped are you that the world's kind of getting

introduced to this team that you've put together? Well, I think we've often used that kind of lack of attention or lack of disrespect as a motivating factor. We understood that no one has given us credit. No one believed in us. No one thought we'd be world champions. No one thought Nikola Jokic could be a good defensive player or we'd ever won a championship with Nikola because of his lack of defense. But every narrative that's come our way, Pat, well, I'm not a good enough coach, we're not a good enough team, we're not tough enough, I think we've shown everybody in the last 16 games that we are. We're built for this.

We are tough. We have guys that don't listen to that. We use it as motivation at times. And I do feel finally, on the biggest stage in the world, that people finally do know who the Denver Nuggets are. And they do know how great of a player Nicole Jokic is. First player in NBA history to lead the postseason in points, rebounds, and assists. The guy is just incredible. But the best part about our group, and I know you guys know this, it's not just the Nicole Jokic and the miracles like

Danny Manning years ago. Jamal Murray is a hell of a player. Michael Porter has proven himself to be a really quality player in a very short NBA career. Aaron Gordon was incredible. Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, Christian Brown, KCP, now a two-time world champion. So we win together, we lose together. We often talk about family in our locker room

and going to be more proud and more happy to work with the guys I work with every single day. Hell, Coach, that was awesome. That was awesome. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, what's it like the last few minutes of that game a few nights ago when I'm watching it and you can feel the crowd start to realize, hey, this is it. Like, we're going to close it. We're going to win this thing.

As a coach, say the last two or three minutes when you know, yeah, we're most likely going to win this thing. How do you let your brain stay on and stay with it and not, I guess, daydream thinking, yeah, this is, hey, two minutes, three minutes from now, I'm going to be a world champion. Was that tough to handle that? It was really interesting because the last three minutes is back and forth. On the last minute, we started to get a little bit of separation.

And then we got a big stop, and they fouled us, and Bruce Brown made two free throws. Huge. And then KCP got the steal. And then I look up the clock, and the crowd is starting to like – and I'm getting goosebumps talking about this. And the crowd is realizing what's about to happen. 47 years in the making. And I'm saying to myself, holy shit realizing what's about to happen 47 years in the making and i'm saying to myself holy shit this is about to happen we're about to be world champions man and i'm trying to

comport myself keep my composure and i made sure when the buzzer went off i didn't want to celebrate you know part of me wanted to run around like jimmy valvano looking for somebody to hug me and then i want to make sure that eric spster, who was a friend of mine who I have tremendous respect for, I want to make sure I went down and gave Spoh and his coaches the credit and love that they deserve, as well as their players, and acknowledging them and their effort, being an eighth seed, getting all the way to the NBA Finals. I mean, Jimmy Butler's a warrior, Bam Adebayo, all those players. Then after that, Jimmy Butler's a warrior, Bam Adebayo, all those players. Then after that, it's kind of like, all right, where's my family?

You know, like being a coach, moving my family around as much as I have, wanted to make sure I found my wife, Jocelyn, my two daughters, Caitlin and Bridget, to give them a hug and then to celebrate. I mean, like it was being in that locker room, spraying champagne, having a few pops. It was one of those moments that I'll never, ever forget. But those last few moments prior to that buzzer were surreal. And my mind was racing a million miles an hour.

Yeah, warranted. Completely okay. I think everybody would expect that. I don't know if you've seen the video of Joker doing the champagne bottle spray. Just one of the many things he did. I mean, this whole night, he was, all right, I did it, he said. Okay, we did it. I did it.

And then him tackling Jamal Murray into the pool was a cool moment. And I couldn't even imagine how tight that team is. It appears as if the culture you've built over there is amazing. And you talk about it in the time out there whenever you're trying to calculate and take it all in. And then it's like, oh, we're going to do this thing thing i think one of my favorite timeouts you took you guys were up 10

and i forget how much time was left but you you i think it was like a minute left maybe two i forget what it was you you were giving up some points you were still up 10 you call a timeout and it was very clear that you're like not we ain't fucking hey listen this is not getting close like your timeouts almost became must-see television. I don't know if you know that from outside looking in, but the way you talk to your team, and I know Joker got super fucking animated in that one timeout, but the way you talk to your team, it felt good to see, I think,

at a professional level. Like, you were very, like, emotional. It seemed like you were loud. It seemed like they were listening. It's like, are you always like that, or are you very, like, a very like practices are they high energy is it what is your kind of every single day is it exactly what we see whenever we're watching on the court well you know what i've been the head coach here in denver for eight years now and i've always challenged myself to become a better coach and uh and part of that was of that was not becoming emotional every day

and trying to be the same person every day. Win or lose, I can't be high and low. That turns the players off. I learned from my father, man, my players got to know that I'm with them win or lose. And so trying to be the same person every day, bringing the same energy every day. And I think our players have responded so much better to that.

But in those huddles, you know, like I have to be me, right? I'm not going to be someone I'm not. I have to be genuine, and our players respect that. But they also know I'm going to be honest, I'm going to be direct, and I'm going to hold them accountable. And some people look at that and it's like, oh, you can do that? If you're not doing that, to me, you're not doing your job as a head coach. That is my obligation and my job as a head coach.

Even after game two, people said, oh, you blasted your team. I didn't blast my team. I was honest. In game two, we were not disciplined enough, and we didn't work hard enough. And our players didn't fight back. They didn't say coach is tripping. They said, you know what?

You're right. We got to own it, and we got to be better moving forward. And that's what family is. That's what coaching is. And our players know I have their back, but I'm also going to do my job. And if they need me to get on them, I'm going to do whatever it takes. Hey, that sounds like such common sense for a coach, but it's not the norm anymore. Coach, what you guys got over there is special.

I'm excited to see, and let's talk about the future a little bit here. So the owner of your particular program has won everything. might be the greatest sports owner he might be he's on the greatest sports owner run right now but he might become the greatest sports owner of all time with the diversity of championships in so many different leagues and navigating it all and steven a was on here the other day and he i believe he described him as fiscally conservative uh but that might have been something that has been said about him in other sports at the rams he went all in and then they kind of they went to super bowl they dial it back i think st louis thinks he's very you know st louis has their own thoughts but with when we're looking at your roster feels like everybody's around you know it feels like

everybody's got at least a couple more years left that is not the norm i guess in the nba with people leaving and coming and going seemingly being promoted by the nba and the new cba not being able to pay people to keep around without some tax increase or whatever when you look ahead to the next couple years and i hate to do this because we're in the moment we're enjoying it but hey we're huh good time to be a denver nugget right i mean this is this we're here right it feels like that at least no i couldn't agree more and i said that to our crowd after the game up on the podium elisa salters and i know everybody talks about when you win one is let's get another one but for me to what you said we have young players in their prime

you know i mean and you have a a historically great player in nicole yokich you have jamal murray who has come back from an ACL injury, not the same player, a better player. Michael Porter coming back from a back injury, had the best year of his NBA career. Aaron Gordon, the versatility that he's shown throughout the playoffs and different guys that he's guarded at a very high level. KCP, a two-time world champion.

And, you know, Bruce Brown, the guys off from a bench, Christian Brown. It's a great time to be a Denver Nuggets fan. Roll back. We're not satisfied with one championship. We want many, many more. Hey, we're some greedy bastards here in Denver. We're not satisfied with one. We're trying to get some jewelry, more jewelry.

Speaking of jewelry, Pac-Man has a question for you, Coach. Coach, you said you talked about all the young stars, but how important was it for you to mix the veterans, the Caldwell Pope and all the other guys with the younger guys? How was their role in helping out the younger guys? That's a great question, great point, and I'm glad you brought it up because I've been in the league a long time. I've been around this game a long time.

And everybody says you have to have veterans. I wouldn't say that's true. You have to have the right veterans. You have to have veterans that are mature, veterans that are truly selfless. And I have talked about these guys a lot this year. DeAndre Jordan, that guy was incredible for us this year and didn't play a lot. And before we signed him last summer, I was very honest with DeAndre. I said, listen, DJ, you're going to come here.

You might play. You might not play. If you're coming here and you think that's going to be an issue, I don't want you getting here and saying, well, Coach lied to me. Coach didn't tell me what the facts were. And DJ all year long has been a vocal presence and force in that locker room. Ish Smith, a 13-year vet, been around a lot of different teams. His presence every day, his hard work, setting the example for young players

was impactful. Jeff Green, a 16-year vet. Here's a guy after that game I felt probably more happy for Jeff Green than anybody. 16 years in this league, had a heart issue where he didn't know if he'd ever play the game again. And now he's a world champion. KCP, 10 years, the only guy in the locker room that won a championship before.

Those four guys especially, DJ, Ish, KCP, and Jeff Green, were a phenomenal veteran group vocally, by leadership, their energy every day, and they kept this group together. And I couldn't be more thankful to have a group like that. That's the things that, like, a coach, even the greatest of coaches, can't teach to the young guys. Like, young guys, like, hey, here's a hotel. This is what we're doing at a hotel.

This is how we're doing in this situation. This is how we do in this situation. Like, obviously, there's some teams that need a good veteran presence. It was very apparent during the NBA season this year. You guys have that. Everything seems to be so brilliantly done. It's been an honor to learn about your squad this playoffs run. Connor, who's a diehard Celtics fan, this guy.

Diehard Celtics fan, Coach. Coach, it would have been a more fun series with the Celtics. I think we can all admit that now that we're here. One of the things that I think everyone was kind of you know drawn to the Nuggets was when you were talking after the Lakers games in your press conferences and obviously you know people didn't really want to talk about you guys people didn't really want to talk about what Jokic was doing and Pat mentioned earlier you know the prime time really wasn't built up for the Nuggets and even after you swept the Lakers there was different conversations and that's neither here nor there but they weren't talking about the Nuggets sweeping

LeBron and the Lakers. Do you think now that you guys have put Denver on the map with the championship being that first team since 1979 to win outside of Texas and California, do you think now people will not only respect the Nuggets, but will look at the

Denver Nuggets? Hey, I'm doing it! The team in the West now? Hell yeah. Well, a really good question. Speaking of the Lakers, I just want you guys to know this is breaking news. I'm thinking about retiring. So don't tell anybody. You love the house, Coach.

Yes! Let's take the conversation away from the championship. Let's talk about the coach retiring. Hey, you hated it, huh? Okay, good. I'm happy to hear that. You're a human. Only kidding.

I'm not going anywhere. I don't want the Cronky family hearing that trying to find a new coach. I'm not going anywhere. I'm having fun with my new friends over here. We're lucky for that. But to your question, the frustration in that series against the Lakers was, yeah, hell yeah. We're lucky for that. But to your question, you know,

the frustration in that series against the Lakers was, like, picture this, man. We all love sports. We've been around it. We win game one against the Lakers, and the headlines are Lakers figure out nuggets. And, you know, like, and we're up 1-0. I've never seen that in a conference finals where a team is up 1-0,

and they're talking about Rui Hachimura guarding Nicola and the Lakers have figured us out. And then you win the series, and then the narrative is the Lakers, the Lakers, the Lakers. I think now, I think we've done enough to hopefully put the Denver Nuggets in people's minds and their hearts because of how we play. I think it's the right way to play the game of basketball, unselfish, guys playing not just with each other, but for each other.

But the reality too is like, if they don't, we don't give a shit. Like we believe in each other. We know what we're doing. And all we're worried about is what we do every single day on this journey. And, you know, to celebrate with the people you love and care about, you know, this is what we all work so hard for. Hey, we're lucky that we're getting to watch your journey, man. Honestly.

And we're not the biggest NBA program. We've broken NBA news here, though. Shout out Shams. Absolutely. Shout out Shams doing that on here. But watching your team has just been – and we're going to ESPN, you know. So we're about to have access to so much more NBA stuff. We've kind of gotten a little bit of a depiction of what we're going to ESPN, you know? So we're about to have access to so much more NBA stuff. Like, we've kind of gotten a little bit of a depiction

of what we're going to have access to whenever we get to ESPN. A lot of NBA stuff. These AIs. Hey, they might take your job someday. That's who you need to worry about, Cronky hiring this fucking AI thing. I don't even know.

I don't know if they'll be able to figure out to motivate as good as you. But, like, we could pull up all of Joker's three-point shots from fourth quarters of games within like four seconds this dude is throwing like he's shot putting balls over his head swish and then you look you look him up in the serbian horse story and the humility and everything like that but then his brothers were going to fight some people in miami then we learn about his brothers there's massive tatted dudes from Serbia

who seem to be the same exact size. And then we're seeing videos of them picking your ass up and throwing you into the sky. How did this tradition start? And at any point, did you think to yourself, hey, there's some strong fucking Serbians throwing me around a little bit? Well, I knew there was some strong fucking Serbians

for a long time. But, you know, I knew there was some strong fucking Serbians in a long time. But, you know, I think an important part of that story is, you know, my job as a coach is not just X's and O's, it's relationships. And I've been over to Serbia to spend time with Nikola and his family. And I've gotten to know them

on a real personal level and to become very close with them. So, after we beat the Lakers in L.A., I went over to give them both a hug. Next thing you know, I'm being very close with them. So after we beat the Lakers in LA, I went over to give them both a hug. Next thing you know, I'm being thrown in the air. Then after we win the NBA championship, I went over to give them a hug and they're that much more excited.

Cause this is a championship. I was, I was like, they were getting some really good air on that. So my daughter's got a big kick out of it. You look at that silly picture. I got a, a smile,

like a five-year-old kid at an amusement park. But Nicole and his family, he's never forgotten where he's come from. He's humble. He's selfless. And the fact that he can't wait to get back to Asombor for his horses speaks about who he is. And he's never changed. I mean, we've all been around pro athletes. He's never changed with the MVPs. He's never changed with the money, the max contract, and he's not going to change now that he's a world champion. He's the same person. And that is one thing, aside from the consistency that he plays at the high level, but the fact that he's never changed and is the same guy, I think is just wonderful to be around him. And I feel really fortunate to coach a guy like that. He's a selfless superstar.

And the narrative this year of him being a stat pattern, the narrative of him this year being a guy that wasn't good enough defensively, the narrative that he won the MVP because of racism, all those things that were being thrown about, just take him for who he is. He is a great player. And enjoy it and appreciate it as well as all the other great players this league has to offer. Yeah, people can't do that. I mean, welcome to 2023. People can't just enjoy things that are great.

They have to throw rocks at things that shine. But to your point, he doesn't care about anything, it sounds like. All those stats, he doesn't care about. If people say like the, we called Perk a racist, by the way. I want to let you know that. We did do our part whenever he came on this program. We had to get it in there for that entire narrative that kind of got cooked. But all that stuff happens.

Does he do interviews? I've seen his press conferences, and I guess the biggest takeaway for the press conference was like, it's only stat. What is stat? We win? Okay, cool. I'm out of here.

Thursday. That was the most emotion I've seen. The parade is on Thursday. win. Okay, cool. I'm out of here. Thursday. That was the most emotion I've seen. The parade is on Thursday. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ready to go home. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is he behind closed doors when he's away from people? We have good time?

Fun? Interact? Team mates obviously love him? There's no doubt. Last summer, one of the cooler moments I've ever been a part of, we surprised him at his stable with the MVP trophy. There's no doubt. Like last summer, one of the cooler moments I've ever been a part of, we surprised him at his stable with the MVP trophy. Yeah.

And I tell you, man, it's like out of a movie. He's coming around the corner on his horse and buggy. I feel like we're back in like the 1920s. He's on his horse and buggy, and he hears the music, and he's wondering what the hell is going on. Then he sees Josh Kroenke. He sees Tim Conley. He sees myself. He sees Felipe Eichenberger as strength coach.

And he realizes what's going on. And the tears that started flowing. It was a credible moment to share with him, sharing this journey. And it just meant so much to him and his family that we made the effort to go over there and surprise him in that manner. But as that night went along and the Pivo and the Raquia started flowing, he's a dancer. He has a good time. I think sometimes he can be very dry and short answers, but he is a – we call him Joker for a reason.

He's got a great personality. He's a lot of fun. And I think being a dad now, being a husband, has really kind of made probably rounded him out and matured him uh even that much more that's amazing to hear because you can tell he has good personality with uh into the microphone he's letting everybody know he's not happy like that is a funny thing go ahead aj coach do you know what the plans are for the parade i seen those pictures of uh joker's brothers you might want to stay away from them at the parade if you're on the top of like a double decker bus oh like throwing you like tom

brady yeah yeah like you know where you're going to be set up who you're going to be with one boat you know what i just i was meeting with a few folks before i came on with you guys and i know it's tomorrow we're on a bunch of fire trucks i'm not really sure which fire truck i'm on but i think i'm gonna be hopping off that fire truck, milling with the crowd, enjoying a few cocktails, and just celebrating with the best fans in the world. So I just keep on thinking about Klay Thompson last year in their video, and Klay was running around the streets, running into people.

So it will be fun. I have no idea what the plan is, but looking forward to being on a fire truck and celebrating with everybody. Clay left the trophy with somebody, didn't he? Yeah. Mahomes did the same thing. I think this is... I think you're going to be pretty shit-faced. You're going to have to give a speech. You're going to have to give a speech.

I know. And you know what? That could be really quality TV right there. Malone can't speak right now. I just want to say I love all you guys. Congrats, man. Malone can't speak right now. I just want to say I love all you guys. Congrats. Thank you. Last question here, Coach.

We appreciate your time. Go ahead, Ty. Coach, you mentioned how X's and O's aren't the whole part of your job, building relationships are. And Pat said how you've been coaching in the NBA since 2001. A popular narrative is the guys coming into the league now are so much different than they probably were when you first started coaching. Do you think that's bullshit?

Do you think that's accurate? Have you had to change your coaching philosophy or your style since you first started in the league up until now? Is it really that much more difficult dealing with these younger guys with all the changes in social media and all that kind of stuff, or is that kind of overblown in the media well it's definitely different you know but i wouldn't say challenging what i mean by that is so the first team i was a part of was jeff van gundy was the head coach of new york knicks and we had mark jackson charlie ward all the trails freewell alan houston kurt thomas marcus canby like we had men and like you look at today's Charlie Ward, the Trails Freewell, Alan Houston, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby.

We had men. And you look at today's rosters. One, the rosters are much bigger now. We had 17 players on our roster with two two-way players. And next year, they're going to add another two-way. So 18 guys on the roster. So go back to 2001. The rosters were smaller. And I didn't think you had as many young players, developmental players.

rosters were smaller, and I didn't think you had as many young players, developmental players. So that's a huge difference in terms of the makeup of an NBA roster. But you can't look at it as difficult because it's the facts. Like every generation is different. These guys today are, no matter what I tell them or anybody tells them, after win or loss, they're on social media. Like I don't do social media. Social media is

a dark, dark place, man. No! They would love you on social media, pal. I mean, you might love it too much, but to be honest, you might become like an influencer. You might not coach anymore. How good you would be on the internet. I'm a hand model. I'm Joey Cibiani. I'm a hand model. And they pay big money for that.

If you take off those socks, I think some freaks will pay you on the internet, too. They will. You've got a lot of money waiting for you. And if you take off those socks, I think some freaks will pay you on that too. You know what I mean? They will. You've got a lot of money waiting for you. Just want to let you know. When your time comes. Say what?

We've got to connect and talk about all this money you keep on talking about. I don't know the foot business, but I do know that the internet will kill for you, bro. You are awesome. You need to know that. But you're right. You have to manage, I guess, what public perception is of players a little bit more now, huh? Well, you do. You've got to try to protect your players and walk them down the right road.

And, you know, that's one thing about our group. Not only have we performed on the court at a high level, but our guys are really solid citizens. They do well in our community. We don't have a lot of off-the-field, off-the-court distractions. But if we draft young players, like Peyton Watson was the youngest player on our team this year, played one year at UCLA.

And just seeing how much he's grown and matured in one year because he's got a whole franchise supporting him and pointing him in the right direction and helping him get better because that's our job player development is not just on the court player development is off the court and I think that's something that we as an organization have done a hell of a job in the eight years that I've been here. Hell yeah. You've done a great job. You're world champions, bud.

Go enjoy the hell out of the parade. Thank you for making time. Hopefully we get a chance to chat with you again. I hope so, man. Congratulations on your move to ESPN. And I appreciate you guys being real, being passionate. And I can't wait to be on once again. You're the man.

World champion head coach of the Nuggets, Michael Malone. Thank you, pal. Sorry, boys. I had to get a little caffeine in me. It's causing quite some digestion here. I've been burping up more than my baby daughter has. But A.J. Hawk is here to the left. He is obviously my left.

You're right. He is obviously a college football national champion and a Super Bowl champion. So he has got a chance to taste the confetti at the highest of levels. He got a chance to experience what the Las Vegas Golden Knights experienced last night and what the Denver Nuggets experienced two nights ago. I'll ask the talk to table this, that Boston Connor and that Ty Schmidt. That Denver Nuggets head coach, Michael Malone, is fucking awesome. And in about 18 minutes, we've got Sterner coming on.

He's fucking awesome. I'm happy for the people that are the newest champions in this world of sport. Yeah, absolutely. It feels like the Nuggets are going to be good for a very long time. Tony mentioned the contracts, but as long as they have that... Michael Malone is awesome. That guy is a weapon. It feels like no matter

what team he's coaching, obviously having Joker helps, but whatever team he's coaching is going to be good because he got me pretty jacked up during that interview too. So, obviously, this is us thinking very highly of ourselves. Acting as if somebody does good on this show means they're good at their job there have been plenty of people who have stopped by this particular program over five to six years who have been terrible at their jobs

but have been good on the show with that being said i do think if you do well on this show that is an indicator that you have some sort of trait that means you're probably going to be good at your profession because you it's not easy it's not an easy show to prepare for. So people that aren't humans and can't, especially self-awareness or read things, this is a tough show to prepare to come on. We've been told that by a lot of people. We would say, so when you get ESPN,

is there going to be a little bit more of a, like a little bit more of a, what we're going to talk about? Send over 15 questions. Is there going to be a little bit more of that? Like a pre-show interview or something? Yeah, some people, some publicists have asked for that, you know. Is this Letterman in 1995? What are you doing? Yeah, bingo. Like, is there going to be topics

you guys can at least tell us about? It's like we can't do that, actually. Strictly because if we were to do that, it would be terrible and it's just not how my brain operates. Having a conversation with us, you literally have no clue where that thing's going to go. I mean, there's a chance it's going to go anywhere. And he adapted. I heard a fuck in there.

Oh, yeah. Heard a shit in there. Yeah, Chompy. He called back jury from the beginning. Yes. That was like 20 minutes later. Yeah. Said Chompy.

Exactly. Chompy. I mean, he was in there. He talked to LeBron. He did. Say, I'm thinking about retiring. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

Like a punchline. That was a hell of a punchline. That's Pac-Man Jones' diehard LeBron James fan, who also might be a Nuggets fan all of a sudden, because he did claim them to just beat South Florida, and they beat the Lakers. So I would want the team that beats me to become the champions of this entire thing, but also because Michael Malone is fucking awesome in that interview right there.

Of course. And like I said earlier, they beat the king. Looked like there's some new shit going on around here. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. King Joker out of Serbia. Oh, we're on our new leadership. King Slayer. Okay.

It also is crazy how, like, we talk about the NBA star-driven. Like, this guy's been coaching in the league for 20 years, and I'd say the majority of people, definitely all casual fans, like, probably had never heard him talk before if they hadn't seen a press conference. league for 20 years and i'd say the majority of people definitely all casual fans like probably had never heard him talk before if they hadn't seen a press conference but like definitely had never seen him in an interview like that before today like i definitely have never heard him speak like that you know where it's not been like a media related obligation one half of the hammer down cowboys tone digs you see your hammer done is a gambling show that comes out of this show

or out of this Thunderdome, 15 minutes after this show ends every single day. YouTube.com forward slash Hammer. Don. Don is spelled D-A-H-N. What are the futures bets for the NBA next year? They already have those out there? That's a really good question.

I would assume the Nuggets are definitely up there to win the West. How about it? We already got more respect for them. Don't we, AJ? A little bit more respect on the name they said. Yeah. Now let's see. Now the real challenge happens. Don't we, AJ? A little bit more respect on the name they said. Yeah. Now let's see. Now the real challenge happens.

Like how do you handle success? Now it's a little tougher to have those chips on your shoulder now, except for I'm sure you can still find a way to manufacture plenty of them. There's still plenty of – I'm sure they'll still be talking about LeBron and the Lakers next year over the Nuggets. So they have plenty of ammo. Oh, and Bronny James. He's going to be a UFC.

I mean, that basketball talk is going to have a little bit more of a character. You know, that's going to be Bronny James playing a UFC. Is he going to be the number one overall pick? Is he going to go to a team? If he goes to a team, is that where LeBron's going? That can certainly be. Is he projected? Is he projected to be possibly be up there number one?

He's LeBron's kid. I don't know if he's projected to be number one. I think everybody's like, yeah, this dude's probably going to be good in the NBA. And you get LeBron. He literally knows all the tricks of the trade. And LeBron James is going to be on the team for at least a year. We'll draft him.

Won't be doing a Taco Bell commercial like Nikola, but we will certainly draft him. Let's talk about success and good and things that are seemingly going well, and then something pops up in the middle of June that makes us go, is everything okay over there? Stephon Diggs' story yesterday really captivated this particular program.

Had a couple people tweet me saying, Stephon Diggs for three hours? Is that really worth it? It's like, well, once we start diving into the art and the fashion and the situation and what we know about their culture, it's hard not to talk about it because this was very unexpected, especially because every Buffalo Beal that we have talked to seemingly loves being a Buffalo Beal. So whenever we hear that Stephon Diggs is in the building, but then he's not at practice, and then the head coach says, I'm very concerned about the situation, then Josh

Allen comes out and takes partial blame, and then the organization and how they communicate things, and then you start piecing some things together. Was this about the DeAndre Hopkins trade, potentially, and maybe nobody told him they're going to trade for him, and who knows how Josh Allen plays into it all. Or was there another reason Stephon Diggs got pissed off that wasn't

football related that we know about? He's back on the field today. Boom. He's back at practice. He was right next to Josh Allen. Whatever anybody was thinking is not the case. They're back to being fine. Von Miller said, he's really not that serious.

Mm-hmm. If I – I've been transparent with you guys. It's really not that serious. It's not – is it that serious? It's not that serious.'s really not that serious. Is it that serious? It's not that serious. Not that serious. It's OTAs. It's really not that serious.

It's June. Ten times in a June interview he said it's really not that serious. He said it with a straight face every single time. It was very impressive. He didn't say, like, as I've said seven times. It's really not that serious. Apparently it wasn't, AJ. It's great to see 14 back out there.

Yeah, it is, but it was something i guess what is does digs like the fact that vaughn is he's is vaughn does he think vaughn's like minimizing what happened whatever his issues are no i think vaughn came out and said he was very much entrenched in stefan digs camp he said i'm 100 on his side right which was great to see i mean that's what teammates do that's what they should do there wouldn't be a vaughnn Miller here in Buffalo being a Buffalo Beal without Stephon Diggs being a Buffalo Beal before me. Boom. Said Vaughn Miller. Yep.

And that is, I think, a glowing endorsement. For sure. We like Vaughn. For sure. What was it? What happened? Dude. I still don't know.

So he was, I've just been letting people cap, okay? If them lies help you sleep better, tell them, big dog. Okay, says Stefan Diggs on his Instagram story. As we all know, be letting people cap means bullshitting. That's right. You know what I mean? Just be letting people bullshitting around there. I don't know who he's talking about.

Was he talking about us? Possibly. He's talking about us. I doubt he's talking about us. We weren't the reason why he fucking left practice. Yeah, but we might have been capping yesterday. We were just observing and reporting, though. There was some real capping going on in the microphones yesterday.

Was it what other people were saying? Was it what McDermott said? Was he be capping? Was it Vaughn capping? Was it Josh capping? Was it Sal Capaccio capping? Sal Capaccio capping? Who were the people that be capping?

Maybe it was the people in the fashion world that after they went through the thing, it was like, this outfit, not so much. Four out of ten. These people be capping. Yep, for real. Who do you think was capping? Big cap. Big cap.

Those big ones that showed up in the Washington Commanders. Oh, yeah. That was the first place we saw those big caps. Who do we think he was talking about? Only thing I could think of is the coach. Okay. So I'd just be letting people. Seriously.

Be capital. I thought he would talk about the people, you know, all the morning shows. I would imagine I didn't see them, but I would assume those guys and gals went after it. Just the shingles. The only reason why I say it's not that is because he left before then. Yeah, the meetings. Let's talk about us, though. Do you think it's the media as a whole? No, I think it's the shingles. that is because he left before then yeah the meetings let's talk about us though like do you

think it's the media as a whole no i think that's what i'm saying guards because that's why as soon as i read i'm like media he's talking about like us sorry yeah because everyone should speculate we all that's all we could do is speculate hey what's this what's the situation here and i don't know if we'll ever know well the coach anytime i say us i mean people that speak in a microphone yeah coach made us uh speculate he said uh he is concerned so if he's concerned shit shouldn't we be concerned yeah we can only go off what we know back and what he told us was very concerned and he's properly jock that guy's that's our boy that's why it's our guy that's our guy he was you think you were capping because you put the shin guard on the back of your leg too and he only had it on the front, so he took that as disrespect?

He said the fact, yeah, it might be because it was covering up the back and the front of the kneecap. Maybe. But he could say, like, I ain't the inspo for what he was doing. Yeah, true. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because maybe he was offended by what I was,

because he inspired my fashion issue. mean? Yeah. Because maybe he was offended by what I was, because he inspired my fashion issue. Correct. Yeah. And he's like, I do not want to be the one. That's cat. That is inspiring whatever the fuck's going on, on that guy's left leg right there. Because I had, maybe that's the next stage of what he was doing in that photo.

Yeah. But Shingard on front and back back kind of tough to bend your leg right and like function but people are gonna look at that and be like fashion yeah genius loves mad max don't that's not yesterday thank you aj aj's like i ain't wearing no bedazzled dong cover no chance you know what you said cover, I said look at the guy's cup. It was bedazzled with rhinestones. That was sick. Bingo.

I'm sorry. Very cool. He bedazzled his dong cover. I'm sorry that I completely nailed what you said. Ipso facto. Let's go to the phones here on this glorious Wednesday, June 14th. Congrats to the Golden Knights. Congrats to the Golden Knights.

Congrats to all of us getting to witness that entire run by both the NBA and the NHL. Thank you, NBA and NHL. You carried us through a tough time. Good playoff. Spring football was happening. Is that still going on? Is that still going on? Birmingham Gamblers were putting together a great season. I didn't know. I saw a punter for

the fucking Maulers hit a 100-yard ball. That's pretty sweet. I'm happy I got to see that, and I hope that guy gets an opportunity because of it. With that being said, it was not enough to draw me to watch the game. I was close. I said, damn, they got a punter hitting a ball a fucking 100 yards?

He didn't even jump or anything. He just swung. I'm like, that's maybe one of the most powerful things I've ever seen done. I don't know what a USFL ball looks like or feels like or how it flies or anything like that because there are different balls and obviously different broken in balls, whole different level,

but still being able to move a ball that far, this guy's got to have some skill. This guy's got power. Hope he makes the NFL. Hope everybody in that league makes the NFL become superstars. Not going to have. Have no idea. There's two spring football leagues.

Do you know there's two extra football leagues now other than the NFL? That's crazy. Well, you said extra because you're talking about the XFL, and I'll have you know that The Rock had a seven-hour fucking board meeting with the XFL. Seven-hour people. And I've seen some of those people in some of my negotiation journeys over the last couple months that were sitting at that table.

Those were some power players sitting at that table around the XFL. I don't think The Rock, who has publicly taken it on the shins with this. For sure. You know what I mean? People are like, $60 million loss. All that stuff. With everything else going on. He has come back and said, idiots.

We're talking about the long game here. Hell yeah. We know there's going to be some losses. The write-off. When you're launching a league or whatever. I played a long game in business and XFL is no exception. We saw some nice successes and took some L's

in our first season that we will learn from. 75 to 100 XFL players will be competing in NFL camps this far. Pac-Man. What's up, Pac? 100 of them. That's a big number that will continue to grow season over season. We're in it for the long haul. Step by step, building the league of opportunity. Like with any venture, success takes time. We're in it for the long haul, step by step, building a league of opportunity.

Like with any venture, success takes time. Thanks, XFL fans, for the love and support. I appreciate the fact that... This shit is just the same way you say when you want to go and see a bullshit game, go to the YMCA. If you want to go see a bullshit game, go watch college basketball.

If you want to go see a bullshit regular game, go watch this. Yep. He's right. This shit is fake. USFL 2. Bro! The kickoff. I had a thought. Would we watch it? That's a state fair kickoff. They did lose us

with that, but they were trying. And the fact that the NFL was even thought about with that. I am... Did they have the same kickoff? XFL, USFL? I have no idea. To be honest, I don't know. We need to give it a shot. We need to give it a shot. Let me tell you what.

Let's explain our side of this, though. Now, Pac, I don't know. He wasn't with us then. When Bill Polian and him launched that league, do you remember? Oh, yeah. We tried. Big time. We were going to watch it every weekend. It was going to be huge for our show. It was Do you remember? Oh, yeah. We tried. Big time. We were going to watch it. Every weekend. It was going to be huge for our show.

It was going to be huge for our show. Like, it was going to be like, here we go. This is what we're going to talk about. So we really committed to it. Cool. For about a week and a half. We watched a couple of those games. We're like, holy fuck.

These are terrible football games. Crazy. It's better. It is bad. It's like high school football probably better than what we were watching yeah and i understand there's adults playing and there's probably some professional speed there but just like the the intelligence of the football being played at the level that it was being played it was like it just was not good football at all and there were some big shots that quarterbacks took remember oh yeah quarterbacks took some massive shots and that was what they

were like marketing it was like all right yeah i guess big time shots will be the thing but as the There were some big shots the quarterbacks took. Remember? Quarterbacks took some massive shots. And that was what they were marketing. It was like, all right, yeah, I guess big-time shots will be the thing. But as the season went on, nobody's really hit anybody that hard. No. There was no – They don't score a whole lot of points. They don't have a lot of low-scoring games. Whenever I turn it on, it seems to be –

Ugly. There's not a whole lot of points. It's normally ugly football. And mostly because I don't know how long they're together to get to learn about each other. And not everybody's supposed to be professional football players. So there's that whole process happening as well. But I don't think Dwayne Johnson's going to let the XFL just go into the night and just fade away. I think if he's investing $60 million already in this, and who knows whose money that is and how you go about finding that money.

The fact that The Rock has Terramana breaking every tequila record in sight. And he's already seen what other celebrities have sold liquor companies for. The Rock has billions of dollars billions and billions of dollars awaiting. So if he wants to do what a lot of these business people do, which is

they're not scared to dump money into something. If they feel like in the long run, they can make obviously more than that money. Well, that might take 15 years to get out of that hole. Oh, only 15 years. Okay, sweet. So what do we need to do? Well, the first five years, we need to lose like $600 million.

But if we dump $600 million into this thing over the first five years, we believe it'll be worth over a billion over 10 years. Would you not take that outcome in 10 years? Yeah. Okay, let's go and do it. A lot of businesses run like that. Not every business hits. There are people that dump that type of money in

and it never comes back. But I feel like The Rock, the way he's posturing right now, it feels like he does have belief in it long term. So maybe we'll continue to have spring football. And thank God for that. So you're watching it? People are set in their ways. Spring football

doesn't matter. If football, the matter. If it was the second stringers on an NFL team, would you watch spring football? I think I'd watch that. Would you? Second string guys? I need to know the names. I have to know the names. If I don't know the names, I can't watch it. The teams or the players?

Players. Teams, too. For me, I need to know the teams. That would be nice. Teams definitely help. If there's a quarterback out there that I know who it is, I will more than likely watch. Give it a shot.

That's what sucks, though, is that the most famous. That's the only one. Yeah, him, but also Taylor Heineke, and he was a backup in the XFL. So even if you were to watch. Well, that's because Jordan Taylor was a dog in the XFL. They got two of them. Another team needs to have Heineken so we can watch that too. I do fear that the USFL might not survive,

but Fox is behind that one pretty heavily. There's a lot of money behind that as well. People are going to watch football, especially with sports gambling. That's what this is probably becoming. Things to gamble on during the offseason. More power to all of them. I hope they all make the NFL and get... All the 50-year seniors.

Good luck. Nothing wrong with that, Pac. Well, the problem is that the 50-year seniors. Good luck. Nothing wrong with that, Pat. Well, the problem is that the off-the-field stuff is always going to outshine what happens on the field. I don't remember if it was the Bill Polian League, but we kind of lost it when we were talking about it. And that one guy basically was like, hey, I don't want to eat this egg salad sandwich that you guys are making me eat.

I'm going to get a pizza instead. And their head coach was like, you ungrateful son of a bitch. Get out of here. And they cut his ass. They marketed them. This is the type of league we have. Exactly. Guy can't have pizza.

Get out. He's not committed. It's unbelievable. We're getting some news out of Buffalo. Ladies and gentlemen, Josh Allen and Stephon Diggs have done a handshake. Oh, shit. That has been prepared. Pretty cool.

With an arm slide and a hand twist. Is it prepared? They're back! Yeah. Sweet visor. Look at Josh's visor. Both of them. Those visors are sick. Hey, let's go. Smell me. Good to see you, man. Yeah, man. And then we get high five from five. Up top. No more

issues. We're good to go. Good to go. Damn right, they're good to go. You think they're doing all that? Hand thing, swap thing, arm thing? No way. While they're, ha-ha, come on. High five, guy knows. He just saw what happened there. Exactly.

We put our swords aside. We're all friends. Is Diggs talking after practice today, you think? Of course. I don't know. I heard a rumor this morning. Do they want him to talk? Is the team going to make him available?

Dorsey. They might have a problem with Dorsey. Yeah. a rumor this morning. Do they want him to talk? Is the team going to make him available? Dorsey. They might have a problem with Dorsey. Yeah. He has inside sources. Got the playbook. Didn't like what he saw. Yeah. Whatever the plan might be.

He could be upset with whatever the plan is. Yeah. Yeah, I heard somebody. I think Josh said something about getting him involved in the plan or in the game plan or something like that. Yeah, which... That doesn't make much sense either. I think I saw that report. So then Josh is not...

That's why he says, I fucking love him. You know, when he's saying that, he's like... That's his quarterback. That's my wide receiver. That's why the meeting is important. If it was one-on-one with both the GM and the coach, then that means he had one conversation with one of the other and then he didn't like what he heard and went to the other. Or if he had one meeting with both the GM and the coach, then that means he had one conversation with one of the other, and then

he didn't like what he heard and went to the other. Or if he had one meeting with both of them, then maybe it was about the playbook or something like that. Gameplan, playbook. Yeah. And then when he hears that they're potentially going to get another wide receiver. Yes. It's like, hold on. Wait a minute.

Can't he give me the fucking ball? What are we talking about? I need the ball more. What are you doing here? I understand this guy's passionate. He threw his papers into the camera. Oh. Diggs, D-I-G-G. I need the ball right now, man.

You see this? Dial it up for me. I do stuff nobody else does. Mm-hmm. You see me catch that mailbox ball. Yeah, I remember. That was... You remember the Minneapolis miracle?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm actually the miracle. Yeah, remember when I scored on Jalen Ramsey in the first miracle? Oh, yeah. I'm actually the miracle. Remember when I scored on Jalen Ramsey in the first game? Boom. And then talked that shit. Boom. That's me.

Me and Josh got cool handshakes. Had three touchdowns in that game against Tennessee. I can go to Paris, come back, put a shin guard on. Josh Allen still knows all of our handshakes. You don't want that guy around? Huh? Why not? Is that what you're saying

put a 1942 shin guard on take a photo aj that's why he's pissed hey that's why he's mad though because you were wearing new like you thought your shin guards were cool looking when he was wearing the old school yeah and i know there's always a a flair for nostalgia yeah my potential you don't know my art okay mine was a new school, Stefan, you know what I mean? So I wonder if Stefan Diggs is like, yeah, I'll come to the building, do these meetings. I'm not going to practice, though, because in a game, I don't get the fucking ball.

Even though I'm watching 100 highlights, I'm getting the ball. Yeah, I was going to say, he's getting the ball. What are his targets? Like, what kind of, do his targets compare with other receivers? What's that, pal? Do his targets, like, compare with other top receivers in the league? I think he's mesmerized by these plays, though. This motherfucker's electric.

I thought he had the most catches in the NFL last year. He gets behind everybody. He is sneaking behind everybody, and his gloves appear to be 5XLs and he's flying through. He's top 5 in targets. That goes on for 15 minutes.

I only took a minute and a half. Yeah. I think so. So maybe he wants to catch 350 balls. That's what I mean. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how we won a Super Bowl, aren't you? Yeah.

How many catches did he have of those targets? Let me get that difference at home. Didn't he just say 100 and something? Ladies and gentlemen, forget the stats. Forget Buffalo. For now. Love Buffalo. Jack, I was going to say, thank the stats. Forget Buffalo. For now. Love Buffalo. Jack, I was going to say, thank you for this.

Yeah, forget Buffalo. Let's go to Las Vegas. Ladies and gentlemen, last evening, we were blessed with the opportunity to watch a franchise, a program, win its first ever world championship. That's right. It was a dominant game. Hell yeah.

9-3, this team clinched its first-ever Stanley Cup. And the captain of the team that clinched the city's first-ever Lordo scored a hat-trick in said game. Now, if he would have scored four, we would have had to donate $250,000 to a charity of this man's choice. Since they won the Cup, still have to donate $250,000. But since he only got a measly hat trick, only three goals,

we do not have to donate any more money than that. He being a captain in a Stanley Cup clinching game to win it in scoring a hat trick is the first time it's been done since 1922. This guy's a fucking warrior yeah legend and now a stanley cup champion ladies and gentlemen the captain of the las vegas golden knights the stanley cup champions of this nhl season mark steiner how are you pal what's What's up, boys? How was the night, huh?

A little bit of a runaway? A little bit of a bender? Got rinsed a bit. A little bit of a rinse, huh? What the boys do to celebrate the first ever Stanley Cup in Las Vegas. Congratulations, by the way. This isn't doing anything. Oh, no.

Booze all over the fucking phone. I got it in there. Oh, no. Got my Wi-Fi fucking phone. I got it in there. Oh, no. Got my Wi-Fi. It's on satellite. Yeah, we'll try to connect with him again. Dude, I cannot wait. How we doing, boys?

Will the parade be on the strip? You think the parade's right down the strip? Yeah. Has to be, right? Obviously. That'd be pretty sick, actually. It's going to have to be, though. Where else would it be?

What's that? They don't play by the strip, do they? They play... No, the stadium's right there. The arena's right there. Dude, they're putting a baseball thing right there, too, aren't they? Yeah. They're thinking about putting a proper canter.

That stadium looks nuts, too. How about that round ball thing that's out there? Is that done here? A new one, yeah. What'd you say, AJ? Is that done? I've seen. I've been trying to check on that thing.

What's it going to have? I think it is done. I think I've seen it. Yeah, I think it's done. It does. It's just like an anthem. I saw U2 toured it. U2 walked through it and talked about it.

How come they're able to get into everything and anything? Bono has the gas. Everybody's phone. Fucking here I am. This new round thing that's really cool. Hello, hello. Fucking in there. Happy birthday, Johnny Drama.

That's why Unbelievable run congrats to them Yeah still doing it Technology's really kind of bumming me out right now I want to talk to this guy Didn't he say it in Spanish though Feliz I think he did

In the show Wow Not 100% Not 100% but I think it fact off here. Wow. Entourage fact. This guy with the show. Not 100%. Not 100%, but I think it might be. Sounds like you are. Hey, you're an Entourage guy? I definitely watched. Yeah, I think we all were.

I mean, look at his life right now. Right in my era. Ladies and gentlemen. Me too. Ladies and gentlemen. It is back. Okay. It, in this particular case, is a Stanley Cup champion captain of a team

that resides in Sin City. Ladies and gentlemen, your captain of the Las Vegas Golden Knights, Mark Stoner. Yeah! Huh? What's up, boys?

Yeah! Come on. We are so happy, so thankful. Thank you for coming on the show. I obviously assume that your life has been hectic and amazing. Oh! Hello, Lordo.

Welcome to Vegas. That is awesome. Thank you for having Lordo Stanley Cup as a guest on the program there. Congrats to you. You guys kicked ass, bro. Kicked ass. Thanks, sir. Obviously, we are donating $250,000 to you boys. You've got ass, bro. Kicked ass last night. Obviously,

we are donating $250,000 to you boys. You've got to figure out the charity. Almost had to donate another $250,000 if you would have scored four goals. Don't tell us it crossed your mind, but last night, scoring a hat-trick in a Stanley Cup clinching game, that has to be fucking, huh? Here we go, Stoner. What a night for you.

Yes. I think I'll probably 10, 15 years think it's probably one of the coolest days of my life, right? But in the time, you're just going about your business. But yeah, it's unbelievable, man. It's a crazy experience.

The building, the energy. I'm getting goosebumps right now just thinking about it. It's unbelievable. What was last night like? You guys get a little rinsed, eh? What? A little bit of a runaway? A little bit of a – My voice is better than I thought it was going to be this morning.

Oh, it's still in you. That's what that means. It's still in you. Where do we go? What do we do? Was the team all together? Did we kind of separate? Did we do families?

How did we do last night afterwards? We were on the ice for quite a while there getting all our stuff done, getting a bunch of pictures. And then once we got in the locker room, all hell broke loose. Champagne everywhere. We had a good moment with just the guys and the staff, which was awesome. But once we got the family and everything there, it turned into a gong show. And then headed down to the strip. Had a couple

spots in the strip. I think we were at Omnia for a little bit with Steve Aoki. That was pretty fun. Did you throw a cake? You threw a cake last night? You threw a cake last night? I did not throw a cake. Well, you scored three goals in the fucking game.

Can we get the guy a cake? I think you should go back and maybe throw a cake next time. You're with Steve Aoki. That's the Vegas treat. We saw some videos of Eichel up on a speaker, obviously lifting Lordo up. How long will this go, you think?

How long have the boys committed to this? We regrouped. We got a couple funny texts in the group chat today. The boys are needing a quick reboot, but we're going to get going at it

pretty quick here again. I think Martinez is hosting everybody. Start there. Sun's shining. We're Stanley Cup champions. May as well celebrate as long as we can, right? Hell yeah! Go ahead, AJ.

How quickly, what was your thoughts going into that game, and how early on in that game did you know, yeah, this is it. We're going to close this thing out. It felt like you guys just continuous pressure all night long and obviously ends up a blowout. Yeah, I mean, we were confident, right? We felt like we were the best team in the world going into the playoffs.

So we were pretty confident. But you're always a little bit nervous, right? I mean, we were 6-1 going into the third. You're pretty sure it's over, but you're still a little bit nervous, right? I mean, we were 6-1 going into the third. You're pretty sure it's over, but you're still a little nervous. Like, in the back of your head, you're thinking, this could be the biggest meltdown in the history of sports here below this one. But, yeah, we got it done, and we were pretty sure

that we had sealed the deal after the second period. Yeah, I mean, you picking up. Now, my eyes might deceive me here. The Florida Panthers coach came out and listed off all the injuries that they have. And this is the time where you hockey fucks kind of get exposed to the world as some of the toughest humans on earth because the injuries that all get listed off. And I know it's been a long season. I thought early there, I seen Stoner, you know, kind of stretching it out a little bit and then all of a sudden everything's starting to go it's that

dude we were so pumped to watch it all take place felt like you guys were just pumping pucks on net was that the goal here we're putting as many pucks on the net as possible felt different last night did it was it not yeah I mean it was I don't know we we play we play so much i mean we play so much better in vegas one of the fans we score way more goals there um once we get those teams on their heels there that building gets gone uh you can win a game in the first five minutes there tough barn over there a man who's been celebrating not as much as you but has certainly had enough whiskey and cokes from then to now that people would say he has celebrated the Stanley Cup properly.

Fan since day one. Ty Schmidt has a question for you. Stoner? Hell yeah, Stoner, first and foremost, congratulations. What a night. Last night was fucking awesome. When you have that back surgery back in January, are you thinking that this moment is possible?

Obviously, you guys finished first in the Western Conference, so you knew how good the team was. But at any point, like when that is your second back surgery, does any doubt creep in? Like, oh, shit, I don't even know if I'm going to be able to make it back with the boys for this run to end the season. Yeah, I think like you said, when the team's playing well, it makes it easier to come to the rink every day

and grind out the rehab process. There's some lonely days, don't get me wrong, when the team's on the road, you're going in there, you see the same three people, but our staff is unbelievable at keeping me inspired. Once the team got in the playoffs, I knew I was coming back.

I wasn't sure if it was going to be right away, but I wasn't missing this, man. He was doing it, actually. And that staff that is incredible that you need in every sport, by the way. Rehab is a motherfucker everywhere. Athletic trainers, physical therapists, incredible. Their energy, though, is like, have to be smart, have to get it right, have to be able to do it.

But also, like, your vibes and energy have to be very solid because the players in their own heads sometimes, because you're kind of isolated, them saying, you're're gonna have a hat trick in the fucking stanley cup yeah you don't even notice right now don't you're gonna do that like those thoughts the the amount of pride that they probably had watching the whole team oh yeah i mean this first time for the team obviously first year make it to the stanley cup playoffs but has the organization kind of taken it in as a whole, you think? And has there been messaging from ownership that seemingly called this

whenever the whole team got lunch? We'll win a cup six seasons or so. And we got one. Have you heard from the ownership or anybody else around the building? Yeah, he was down there with us in the picture celebrating with us. And he gives us all the resources we need need to to be sitting here today as champions so um he wanted to win just as bad as everybody else in in the locker room and yeah it's unbelievable i'm sure uh he's gonna celebrate uh just as hard as we are for the next uh you know until we have

to give it back in september when's parade i think parade is saturday strip have you heard what's gonna be is gonna be done strip i think it's going to be? Is it going to be down Strip? I think it's on the boulevard, yep. It's going to be fucking kings, dude. Think about all the side shows that are going to be here. Yeah. All the... What are you riding in?

Are you in duck boats? What are you guys going to ride in? Do you know? Duck boats in the desert. I'm not sure on that one yet. Hopefully everybody just makes it there. It's only Wednesday right now, so we have to pace ourselves a little bit here, I think.

Hey, the sun's shining, you said. Yeah. You just keep it going. The sun's going to come up tomorrow. The boys will be okay. Pac-Man obviously has enjoyed the hell out of his NHL fandom as a Golden Knights fan. Obviously has something for you.

Congratulations, my boy. Hell yes, Turner. Thanks, Pac-Man. What are we drinking out that cup? Let me see that cup. Are we drinking anything out of there? How long you get to keep that thing? Dang, Lord.

Oh, yeah. How long we get to keep it, and what are you drinking out of there? As captain, I was able to bring it home for just tonight. God, we had pretty much everything we could get in there. Turned into a bit of a jungle juice. Yeah, everybody was slugging out of there. I'm sure we're going to be drinking a lot out of it a lot for the next couple days. And then it'll start its tour to everybody's hometown.

And those parties, I think, can get a little bit messy. Keep her the couple. Sweet Hair Mike. Yeah, Sweet Hair Mike. Can't wait for everybody to get to enjoy him. He's been in our office a few times. We have met Sweet Hair Mike. He is certainly a weapon.

That's his name, right? Him and Brandon. Sweet Hair Mike. He does have sweet hair. You know this guy? Have you seen this guy? Well, Phil's the one I think you're thinking. Okay, Sweet Air Phil.

Mike's his buddy. That was the guy that was with him. Okay. Also has sweet hair. He's coming over here in about 15 minutes to grab her for a little bit, and then he's going to bring her back to the boys. Oh, nice. This is like when you have a baby.

Our grandparents are coming over for about 15 minutes. They'll bring this thing back there. I think Lordo – that might be Sweet Hair Phil right there. The Lordo has the greatest allure around it, I do believe. I think the way it travels around, the way it gets to party, and how Sweet Hair Phil and Sweet Hair Mike are. Sweet Hair on the right. What's the guy's name on the right?

Wow. Oh, I don't know. That's Phil and Mike. Mike's on the left. Phil's on the left. Sweet Hair on the right. What's the guy's name on the right? Wow. Oh, I don't know. That's Phil and Mike. Phil's on the left. Phil's on the left. Phil's on the left. It is Mike. Sweet Hair Mike.

I was right. Yeah, I've met the guy like four times. I've never been a real fucking asshole if I didn't get his name right there. Did you see anybody do anything out of it last night that was like, oh, I didn't expect that? Like, hell of a chugging performance. Or didn't expect it to be straight vodka out of that thing. Like, was there any decisions made with the cup last night during celebrations

that you can remember or made you go, ooh, interesting choice? Nothing that I remember too vividly. Anything too crazy. But we got some guys that know how to drink, that's for sure. That's awesome. We appreciate the hell out of you, Stoner. Enjoy yourself. Stay alive. Congrats on being Stanley Cup champion. oh man i appreciate it boys love coming on here

stoner get it together pal okay i mean the boys are gonna want to hear from their captain you gotta give a speech on saturday you're gonna give a speech oh man i didn't even thought of that yeah to the whole yeah to the world oh my god every street performer even thought of that. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to go speak to the whole world. Yeah, to the world. Oh, my God. Every street performer, even the ones that are frozen and painted, they're going to say, what's Stoner going to say? Everybody's going to be listening, pal. I think you're going to crush it.

We'll be donating $250,000 to a charity. You let us know what it is. And congrats, and we appreciate the hell out of you. Awesome. You guys are the best. Appreciate it. All right, stay alive, bud. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Steyer.

Yeah! I was excited to hear who he's potentially going to tell a story about. He thought about it there. Yeah, he did. He saw somebody doing something. Yeah, he did. And he was like, nah. What could have happened? What could someone be doing? I think somebody might have...

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you guys are talking about. What are you talking about? I'm talking about somebody putting a half a bottle of vodka in that fucking thing. Yeah. And then doing like what is a double story 12 beer. Oh, okay. In my eyes, I'm envisioning somebody doing something absurd and being like, damn, I didn't know that person could do that.

Yeah, sweet money. You guys are talking about dumping in that thing? No. No. What? That's what you're talking about. Piss? No, that'd be disgracing the cup.

I would never even think of that. Well, then why? Whatever you guys were saying, how you were saying it, certainly a disgrace to Lordo, which is nothing that I was thinking of. So whatever you guys were saying, let's go ahead and look. I thought maybe you were talking. Remember, I don't know if you were. You probably didn't see the video when Jack Johnson,

my brother-in-law, brought the cup, and Bobby Carpenter, a good buddy, General Bob, Bob was lapping the beer out of the cup like he was a dog because he didn't have a good pour. He is a dog. They weren't tilting it enough, so Bob just stuck his head in there and just started slurping away

with his tongue for 10 minutes. Not this 10 minutes. Tilt it up, tilt it up. He's yelling, tilt it up. Beast. 10 minutes, it seemed. You were watching that going, oh, this is gettingilt it up. Tilt it up. He's yelling. Tilt it up. Beast. Ten minutes, it seemed. You were watching that going, oh, this is getting worse. I was right over his shoulder.

I was juicing him up. You can't drink it all, Bob. You can't. You can't lick it all out of there. Come on. Help me out. Oh, my God. The thought of Bobby Carpenter doing anything is funny.

That really good with actual Lord of. Yeah. Congrats to the Golden Knights. That's a long time until their parade. Long time. Imagine if Joe Bear was told Saturday. He might have got up and said, I'm leaving now. Don't want it. I won't be there. We didn't win.

How about that? I didn't win. Take it off my resume. Let's go to the phones. A couple champions on the program. Pretty sweet. Still got to run through them. That's why his voice is still going. We could hear the hangover coming in through the voice. That's why Saturday, man. Get some IVs, guys.

Vegas got the IV thing, right? They'll travel to you. They kind of pioneered the old hungover IV situation. Yeah, nurses would go out there to party or for a weekend and they'd be like, you know what? Everybody fucking needs you. Let me start some businesses. And then they all just start raking in money

and people are just getting jabbed and stabbed in hotel rooms all over Las Vegas. What a game changer. Smart. Now there's IVs in every city. Bingo. Vegas pumps oxygen in and right into your blood, into your mouth, they're pumping oxygen

and then right into your blood, they're like, and hydration. We got electrolytes, too. Don't even worry about it. You're good. You can stay here forever. People talk about not being able to do Las Vegas for more than two, three days. Kidding me? Breathe in this, take in that, see you for a week and a half. That's right. Good for Vegas.

We didn't get to ask Stoner about looking awesome last night with the NHL championship belt and the Elvis Presley glasses and hair, obviously. What an absolute stallion of a man. What a leader of men. Yeah. Legend. Congrats on him being your captain. I know. Sometimes the universe is just looking out

for you and working in your favor. That's exactly what happened when Stoner got traded from Ottawa. Let's go to the 5RNG phone line. Let's go to Davis in Tennessee. phone line. Let's go to Davis in Tennessee. Davis, what's going on, pal? AJ, boys. How we doing?

Good name. Seemingly a last name, but also a first name. That's the way it happens. I had a quick question for you. We talked about the resources of the graphics and the statistics and the clips and all these endless resources coming from ESPN. That also graphics and the statistics and the clips and all these

endless resources coming from ESPN. Not endless. That also includes lawyers, correct? Well. At what point do we get these amazing resources to get Gumby back into the country? I thought you were going to ask about another lawsuit or whatever.

I think they will help us with the lawsuits if they come. That's good news. They'll have the resources and, you know, the I don't want to say the power, but kind of the power to be like, come on. It felt like I was kind of we were kind of getting like

poached at because they knew we didn't have an army of a network behind us or billions of dollars behind us. So I think we were potentially and I think they will help with that. With Gumby, actually, we're not able to use it. Because we already filed before this happened. We're actually not allowed to.

It makes no sense. It doesn't exist. I'm not getting into the entire political nature of the world because I am not the person that should, and I haven't spent enough time learning about it, okay? I'm in a tank top. I talk about sports. But as a person who has had to deal with the immigration situation

with the United States, with Gumby, in our guy, who is the only human that can do his job. He's the best in the world at what he does. New generation of jobs though. Tough to explain to people that are in government trying to understand this. This guy is a talent. An actual talent. He's also a great American dream story. He was painting fucking ships

for 20 years. Now granted, they used that against him. Didn't care. He was painting ships and everything like that. Can't anybody do it? It's like, no, they used that against him. Didn't get college. He's paying chips and everything like that. Can't anybody do it? Oh, he's just... It's like, no, this fucking guy is an anomaly and he's electrifying.

He's supposed to do this and he's the American dream story and he has a job waiting on him that nobody else will get if he doesn't get it. It's not like I'm taking an American job for somebody else.

This is like, this job is just for this guy. Allow him to change his life and live his life. What are we even talking about? Now we have to go through this whole thing. It's been back and forth like five, six different times. Three sets of lawyers.

One of us writing a letter saying, hey, this group right here ain't. Ridiculous. Hey, this is complete sham. We just got fleeced. We got rinsed. We got dog walked for a lot of money. A lot of money and nothing happened here. And now we've learned that we can't even do ESPN because the original filing

didn't even have a part of it, so we can't even ask for their help. Nope. Over a year. Great question, Davis. It is frustrating. And I have no idea how it gets fixed, but hopefully our guy Gump, who has a sick rat tail hair looks great. That was real. I saw that picture. That's real.

That's what he's been doing in Canada, Paul. Good for Gump. Good for him. That looked amazing. Yeah saw that picture. That's real? Yeah. That's what he's been doing in Canada, Paul. Very real. Good for him. That looked amazing. Yeah, so Davis brings up a great point. And believe me, I thought of it as well immediately through all the conversations I had with every different place I was talking to. You have anybody in the immigration? You know what I mean?

Mm-hmm. And they're like, yeah, we're plugged in, blah, blah, blah. Okay, here we go. Sweet. I got a guy stuck in Canada just one flight away. Would love to be able to get him. I don't know if we'll be able to help him. Funny you mention that.

What? Sweet. Thanks. What if he came in to visit? What if, let's say, Goombs' cousin got married? Would he be able to come in for the weekend? So there's a 10-year ban potentially sitting on deck if something takes place. If he's seen on air or in pictures.

If he does any work at all. Exactly. If he does any work at all or is caught does any work at all or is caught doing any work at all there's a chance that he could be violating some sort of thing so it's like uh it is a wild scene the more i've learned about it the less i understand and it's like i thought erlacher had it figured out that when he came with the guy well that's what a lot of people say yeah the immigration thing's an issue oh yeah it is i'm talking about from this i'm talking about the north side i'm talking about from the north side

of this entire conversation. That's not getting talked about at all except for, I think, by the people that write up the responses to us who do not want Gumby to be in America. They don't even get his name right. That's the lawyers that were the responses are from humans. The people that are typing in have humans

have attitudes have attitudes and have a little bit of charisma in there. The way they kind of phrase their questions, talking about Gumpy's abilities to be anything for our company. And are we even really a company? And what do we do? Coming from a human. So that's why I like all these letters that we've had to gather letters from so many different pipelines of people. It's like, how can you read these letters from all these people pipelines of people no more it's like how can you

read these letters from all these people that have said all these things and just be like wait are they is this like a negotiation like a arbitration in baseball to where you try to say hey this is the value he brings and they try to tear him down and say no that's not what he's gonna do dude i gotta basically i haven't talked about this yet haven't told gumpy this yet but we got a fucking we got the last envelope we got, which is within the last week is the most shit talk seemingly from them. It was nuts. And it was like 15 different things.

We're going to need to see a little bit more of this. We're going to need to see a little bit more of this. Going to have to explain this a little bit more. Going to have to do this a little bit more. It's been a, it's so being with pat mcafee as a job is what one of the things was it's like wow geez louise you're never gonna get this it's not what it says at all either yeah we just put together a fun we just paid a lot of money to put together an entire thing yeah and that's what you got out of it that person doesn't want gumpy to be on

and that's our thinking back it could be a human that hates us. Could be. And it's dumpy, suffering because of my student, because they hate me. Then you get worried about all that, and then you start thinking to yourself, this is fucking America. This guy has a job here. He's America's dream. Why is he not allowed to come to America and work? And back in the day, we weren't allowed to pay him for his work here.

But if he worked in Canada, we were allowed to pay him. It's like, what is that? How does that work? Somebody needs to fix that. Hey, somebody smart fix that, please. Please. Because we need our guy. Yeah.

Bring him home. We got some quotes coming out of Buffalo. Coach McDermott has spoken, I guess, about the situation here. Heather Prusak at H.A. Prusak says, Sean McDermott on Stephon Diggs, there are a lot of things out there that aren't accurate. He was here on Monday for his physical, reported for meetings, had a good conversation, got to a point yesterday where we felt we all needed a break, gave him permission, he was excused.

Okay, a little clarity here on the very concerned part of this. Everybody need a break? Let's cool down. Let's go back to our corners. Okay, now when I speak and I'm asked about why he's not at practice, I'm going to say I'm very concerned, and then we're just going to talk about who was at practice. So Coach McDermott, who is our guy, great football coach,

seemingly having to explain the situation that he kind of was a main character in this entire thing. But it sounds like it's all getting overblown. AJ is what I'm hearing. Yeah, it is. We still don't know. And we probably won't know the issue, whatever was going on. But, yeah, I guess.

So he won't be fine. That's good for him. Obviously, he has to feel like the team has his back. Obviously, the players have his back. So, yeah, I mean, here we go. What happened that they needed to go to their corners? A D-butt said check the playoff targets. That's what it is.

If Coach McDermott would have just said yesterday that he was excused. Which is what most coaches say. Instead of saying, I'm concerned, this would have been a non. Yeah, that's why it's such a big deal. Yeah. It's because of what McDermott said yesterday, and then that's just a completely different saying today. The modus operandi for this type of situation is we're working through some stuff.

Right. We still love him. We take him home. He was excused. He was excused for the day. Wasn't said. Wasn't said. We said that yesterday, too.

We was like, only reason why we are concerned because he made it concerned. He didn't say that he was excused. He didn't say that he let him go home. Yeah. He said that. He's very concerned. I'm concerned about him.

Do you think there was a group text that Von Miller put together? Could have been. You know, Brandon Bean on there. McDermott on there. Josh. Josh Allen on there. Him on there. Maybe the photographer from his IG.

Yep. Definitely. Stylist. Yeah yeah super grass guys i mean let's put our swords down is what von miller said it really isn't that serious is what von miller said yep and now here we are playoff targets for stefan diggs which could have been the case of what he was trying to make whenever they needed a break and he didn't go to practice and i i'm looking at two yeah 19 targets in two games. That's not terrible. 19 targets, 11 receptions, two games played. 149 yards, two games.

One of the games was in the snow. Ten targets a game? You're saying in the playoffs? Ten targets a game. That's not enough targets. They throw the ball 50, 60 times. How many times did he? What do you mean?

How many pass plays did he get? No touchdowns. A long 52, though. That's pretty good. he? What do you mean? How many pass plays did he get? No touchdowns. A long 52, though. That's pretty good. That was a big time. I mean, do they throw that off? 52. The next closest guy is K. Davis at 13.

He got almost a third of the targets. Yeah. 19, 13, 12 targets around. Cole Beasley got nine fresh off a mixed eight. Wow. Eight, seven. A lot of balls to a lot of people. Yeah.

Seven, eight, nine, 12, 13. That's not enough targets for a number one. I bet you it is tough for Brandon Bando looking at this and McDermott looking at this to take what Stephon Diggs was saying seriously. Yeah. If it is about targets in the playoffs. Only threw it 77 times in two games. They're not throwing it

50 times, 40 times a game. Josh Allen was running his powers. That's right. You remember that? That team, and I think this is why I'm happy it's over. Congrats to them all. Seemingly you'd pass it. That's right. You remember that? That team, and I think that's why I'm happy it's over. Congrats to them all. Seemingly you'd pass it. Yep. Way to go.

Adversity builds relationships stronger. That's right. Especially in the future. Adversity either ends it or makes it stronger. Yeah. Or delays the inevitable.

So I guess there's three outcomes. But let's hope that the one is adversity. We all talked. We stated our cases for the first time, long time. Miscommunication was brought up by Josh Allen. I think some others as well.

We were able to get everything out in there. We all understood where each other were coming from. And now we move on better, stronger than ever. Now, with that being said, we might still bring D-Hop in. Yeah. There's a chance. And you're just going to have to like it. That's what I was saying this entire time. Well, sorry, going to have to like it. Oh, I don't know.

That's what I was saying this entire time. Well, sorry. We're going to do that. Okay. Why don't you go home? We'll see you tomorrow. You're excused. You know what I mean?

Like, what did the break? Here we go. Three tweets coming up. Maybe some little bit more updates here from Heather Prusek, Sean McDermott, clarity on why he said he was very concerned. Whenever a player has something going on or isn't here for some reason, I am concerned. That's my sentiment with any player. I'm concerned when players miss. That's just how I am.

Sue me. Okay? Sean McDermott and Stephon Diggs, getting Steph the ball is a big piece of our offense. He's the big focal point in addition to Josh. It's important to get him going. The more production he has, the more production we have as an offense. He provides great energy to our team. And what he's saying is he wants the ball one-on-one.

When he's one-on-one, I need the ball. McDermott added he has healthy conversations with Diggs and is appreciative of the communication they had and says, I think we're in a good spot. All right, so everybody got their piece out. Yep. It was tough early. Yes, it was.

They were yelling. They were yelling. Receivers are divas. Well, not all of them. Most of them. The best ones, it was. They were yelling. They were yelling. Receivers or divas? Well, not all of them. Most of them. The best ones, they are. Yep. You can go down the list.

Name them. Who are the best ones? Larry Fitzgerald. Diva. Calvin. What? Larry Fitzgerald. What about the guy you played with?

He still wanted to ball every play. What about A.J. Green? Wanted to ball every play. Diva. IJ. Green? Wants the ball every play. Diva. I feel he gets resolved, says Sean McDermott. There we go. The Catherine. I've never known that.

He feels like it. Over and done with. I've never met a one that don't want the ball. If I'm not getting double covered, I want the ball every time. I can catch it. Every time. And we ain't double them when we played them, I'm just saying. It's snowing, though.

Don't matter. We was throwing the ball. The ball was getting thrown around. He threw the ball to everybody else on the team, as you can see. It was nine other targets than somebody else. How many was the other ones? The ball was spreaded around. He had six more than the nearest guy.

And I get, like, if I'm not doubled, throw it to me. But you got to assume if he's not doubled, there's probably someone over the top watching. They're not just leaving Stephon Diggs alone. Yeah, in certain situations last year, he did not get doubled. Well, he should have got the ball. All right. Well, we'll see.

It continued to pan out, even though Sean McDermott says, I feel like it's resolved. It's over. It's all right. They're good. And is it really that serious? It's not really that serious. No.

Von Mueller said it. Yeah. A lot. Michael Malone's awesome. Yeah. Beast. Mark Stoner's awesome. Wow. One of the best of the best jet passing was on it's baseball time don't mean don't need to be a w oh oh i watched a couple last night nice which one season, the first couple. That is. Oh, yeah.

Zip line, yeah. That zip line looked like a good time. It does. I want it. It did, really. Could you imagine signing up for love and then you get in this mansion and they say, hey, you can have all the booze, all the food you want, and free access to any of the adventures on property.

And you see that zip line and you're like, I get to live here? Yeah. Done. I brought my bathing suit so this dude would love to be in a think tank session oh my god would love to see how we get to where we got yeah on everything what a brilliant man hey keep going tim love you tim couple more phone calls. Let's go to Joe in Arizona. What's going on, Joe? Hey, what's going on? Hey, Joe.

What's going on? I got two questions, though. I got two, okay? Is that okay? I love that, man. Take your time getting to them, too. Hey, okay. I'm just pissed about this first one.

What's this bullshit going on in San Francisco, bro? Trey Lance is my man. Why the fuck is everyone talking about Sam Darnold being the best quarterback they've ever seen? Joe, Joe, everything's okay. Joe, everything's okay, pal. Everything's going to be okay. What's your second question? What's your second question?

It's for that Pittsburgh Steelers cowboy fuck. Oh, geez. That doesn't sound like a question. Sounds more like a statement. I got a question. I got a question. I got a question. Okay.

Why do you believe Kenny Pickett is the future? You're right. Why do you believe that? Because he has to. Why would I not believe that Kenny Pickett's the quarterback? Whoa, whoa, geez. Come on. Joe's a good guy.

Hold up. I believe that Kenny Pickett showed more in the NFL than fucking Trey Lance. I can tell you that. Okay, so let's talk about Trey Lance and what's going on in San Francisco because George Kittle was doing an interview. I assume it was for his tight end university media run they're on right now because that is coming up soon. He was talking to Sports Illustrated.

He was asked, hey, we're going to play a little game. Starter or backup? It's like, all right, incredibly clever way to get into this question with George Kittle of the San Francisco 49ers. He said, what do you call Trey Lance? And George Kittle says, he's a starter in the NFL. He just needs reps or whatever. And then he said something about Purdy.

And he said, Purdy came in, won eight games. It's his job. Trey Lance, though, still a starter in the NFL, just needs more reps pretty much. So then the caption was, George Kittle gives definitive stance on what he feels the quarterback situation should look like. Now, that is an interesting thing that George Kittle was kind of put in a position to answer a question about. A decision, certainly, that he's not making and others will be making that are above him in the pedigree or in the uh yep you get it and also the ones that are paying him you know so it is those decisions are happening elsewhere he is the voice of the team though because how big of a superstar he is and how great he is but that seems to make sense that's the right answer he gave the right answer

there i think don't you yeah i mean what is what should he say what's he supposed to say i don't know it's a tough spot he's in it put it him in like that. I think that's the right answer, though. Yeah. Yeah, they're both starters. But, yeah, of course. Look what Brock did. Can't get him in any shit with Trey either. Yes.

Because him and Trey are tight. Every photo we've seen of, like, spring has been Kittle and Trey. And he also brought Trey to the tight end university last year and said he's very similar to Josh Allen. So he's a big Trey fan. But I think he's just speaking as an NFL guy. like yeah it's party's job at this point yeah but did they ask him anything about golf or the quarterback darnold darnold yeah not all white people are the same come on i mean darnold and golf geez louise these's got a little perk in him, huh? A little racist.

Yeah, a little bit. How about Malone bringing that up? Yeah. He's like, he won the MVP because of racist reasons or whatever. I'm like, oh, Malone heard that. Oh, yeah. Stacking chips. Stacking them.

He heard that. Got LeBron, too. Oh, yeah. Wow. I'm retiring. They're in there, dude. Oh, yeah. Anyways, I think that was the right answer yeah absolutely and they're gonna find out about trey though you don't trade all the way up to three draft him

and not get a real good look at him no how how are they gonna get a good look at i'm telling you they're going to i don't know i mean look at their quarterback let brock have a three week you know what i mean brock throwing the ball yeah he's back but i'm saying let brock have like a two week because taylor heineke with carson wentz yep taylor heineke was winning games for the washington football team and then all of a sudden i know where he was getting taken out of the game one bad half and carson was playing and we're all like whoa whoa whoa whoa and ron rivero was like taylor knew that was the case against the niners yeah it was like damn damn whoa whoa out of nowhere carson got put in there is because they want to see car i think carson

had a tough one or whatever just like taylor Heineke was having and everything like that. But they wanted to see with the money they were paying Carson. I just feel like in the NFL, the way the business is, they're going to want to see if Trey Lance was the fucking right move at three. Which sucks because how good Purdy was. That's what I think personally. I don't know how they go about doing it. I don't know how it comes to fruition. And maybe Shanahan's different, I guess.

Maybe Shanahan's like, nah, we did find out. We got a guy. We're trying to win football games. But that would be very abnormal, I think, for the way the NFL operates. I just don't see Purdy losing the job if he's healthy. If he's healthy, they run with him. Yeah. Because of their luck, I'm assuming that

something's going to go wrong with Purdy. Like the 49ers. And they'll get like a three-week bingo, and then they'll have Trey Lance go in, and then Trey Lance will play really 49ers. And they'll get like a three-week. Bingo. And then they'll have Trey Lance go in. And then Trey Lance will play really well. And then they'll have to decide, okay, now we're fucked again. Or Trey doesn't. Or, yeah, or he stinks and then they know.

And then we will still be able to say, if you're a believer in Trey Lance, which I think we are, I mean, why not? Yeah. You know how big he is? Big AFL. Good offense. The offense is very good for quarterbacks, allegedly, by all accounts or whatever. But if he plays three weeks

and they're not great, and Brock Purdy comes back and he does good, they can say, we tried. And then the Trey Lance supporters are like, he's got what? Seven games, this guy? Seven games? I mean, have you seen some rookie quarterbacks' first seven weeks of NFL football?

That'll probably drive up interest for another team to sign him and hopefully give him a shot, but they're going to find out about Trey. I think the Trey Lance story is not done yet. Not that they would, but they're a team that has the luxury of they could start Trey Lance the first three games of the season. If he's not any good

or if he is, then you trade him then. Shit, look at Purdy last year. They were kind of middling a little bit until Purdy started, like halfway through the season towards the back half, and then they went undefeated with him. They do have the luxury of playing Trey for the first couple weeks if they want to.

Last phone call here on the Fiverr Energy phone line. Let's go to – where do we want to go? What states we got? We got Sacramento, New York, Pennsylvania, Jersey, Tennessee, and Michigan. Oh, man. That's coast to coast, boys. Jersey, baby. That's coast to coast.

Cornell, United States there. Jersey to Cali. That's a lot of space there. Paisan in Jersey. What's his name? Paisan in Jersey. Bobby. We've had Bobby on before, I do believe, right?

Yeah, I think so. Bobby, good call? Any good names? Bobby. Yeah, what names? Bobby. So you guys said no to Bobby. Bobby, yeah, yikes.

That was a... Let's just see what else is out there. All right. I mean, sure. This is just good business. Exactly. This is just sound business. We're all our options.

There's a Ryan in New York. What's Ryan up to, I wonder? What do you think he's doing in New York? I don't know. What if he's up in a building? If he's in New York, he might be measuring the AQI. Oh, yeah, maybe he's... Yeah., he might be measuring the AQI. Oh, yeah. Maybe he's, yeah.

Or his cubicle life. Yeah. He's definitely not on the subway. I guess nobody's riding that thing anymore. No. Well, the bomb's down there. Really? I guess not, yeah.

Allegedly, the subway activity has gone down a bit. Well, we saw a naked bomb on a Prius. That was right outside of the subway, right? Yeah. I don't know if she came up through the subway, but whatever it was, did appear to at least be able to survive on the ground if had to. Yeah, definitely.

Drew in Tennessee. Cameron in Michigan. Tom from Michigan. Tom from Michigan. And then Gabe in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Ooh, Gabe. Do we know what Gabe's last name is? Okay, Gabe doesn't have a last name.

And we don't know origin either. I think Gabe may be Polish. Not 100% sure. Not 100% sure if that means anything. Let's go to... Okay, pick a number between one and six as a group collectively. This needs to be one. One number.

Okay. I'm voting four. I was going to say four as well. I will ride with that, though. Four. I will ride with four. AJ? Sure.

Come on, vote. It's common. I was going to say three. But we have common. Oh, you want three? All right. Let's go to the back room. Oh, you're going to say three.

Tony, too late. You already cast your ballot. You can't pull it out. What do we like in the back there? I got four. Okay, four. I've always been partial to two. Okay, well, Bobby in Jersey did get one vote.

You need to know that, Bob. That's good after what the boys said earlier. Yeah. Let's go to Comron in Michigan. Last call of the day on a five-hour energy phone line. What's going on, Com? Hey, boys. How's it going?

Hey, going good. How's it going, Com? So I just wanted to know, I was at the last game at Lambeau, watched Jared Goff and the boys. You know, I just have concerns with Jared Goff's arm. I mean, like, J-Mo was open a few times way downfield and underthrowing it. Didn't throw him at all. I'm just wondering,

do you think that's an issue, or do you think he's just saying, like, hey... Calm! Calm! Calm didn't watch any Lions football. Calm was there. No Lions football. He watched no Jared Goff. Jared Goff was a top-five quarterback in the league last year. The Lions offense was top-five in the league.

Someone argued probably top-two in the league with the Chiefs. Alright, Calm watched no Lions league last year. The Lions offense was top five in the league. Someone would argue probably top two in the league with the Chiefs. All right, calm watch. No Lions football last year. Calm does not know the Detroit Lions. Calm, is that true? Over the Eagles? Well, I've been watching it for 22 years, boys. I love the Lions. I'm just saying J-Mo was very upset on the sidelines

visibly arguing with coaches. I'm open. It could be Jared Goff saying you're a rookie. You don't get the ball unless I throw it to you. Jared Goff is picking and choosing. He is. You've been watching the Lions for 22 years.

How many times do we go to Lambeau and win the fucking game? What are you worried about over there? Come on, calm. They also drafted Hendon Hooker. He's got a beautiful deep ball. Oh, he does. Hendon Hooker. I mean, he's got a beautiful deep ball, boys. Oh, he does? Yeah. Calm, he does.

Also, don't have to worry about Goff missing JMO for six weeks. So Goff can activate his arm a little bit. Yeah, because JMO activated his FanDuel account. Bet MGM account, I believe he's betting on multiple sites. I was wondering how many Floria I was going to say. Yeah. He was like, DraftKings, or Fandle, or BetMGM, or Caesars, or PointsBet,

or 24. Hard Rock Casino. What if he just started listing them all off? That would be great. I didn't know that was a thing. JMO hates me. Yeah, that's very concerning. It's not a thing. I thought this was the MCDC time. I thought the Lions were going to go on a run now. We are going to go on a run.

We're talking about Stephon Diggs in the middle of OTAs having this type of thing. That was in the game. I'll send you guys a video after this show of all of Jared Goff's deep throws last year. I literally just watched it. I think this is it. Please don't, says Nick. But if you do, I'm going to compare it to when he dressed up for Red Bull as the JUCO quarterback. That's right.

I'm going to see if he lost it at all because maybe Com, with his eyes on the product, says, you know, Goff might have lost it a little bit. It's certainly possible. If I was a Lions fan, I'd probably be a little worried right now. Oh, my God. Knowing what Com's saying. Because what they're saying about Jordan Love, complete opposite. Yeah, they're saying his voice is so deep and he looks so good right now.

He does. Is that coming out of trick? Yeah. People have been, you know, I mean, same deal. Like, no matter what, they weren't, I don't, no matter what, they weren't going to shit on him because Rodgers is gone now. So, I think, like, local media was going to say, but there have been a lot of people like,

this guy just continues to wow us day in and day out. Think about the guy who, we do have video here on Goff. This is from June 6th. Goff does have a knee sleeve. Zito pulled this up. I'm a little nervous right now. Here's Jared Goff, June 6th, Goff does have a knee sleeve. Zito pulled this up. I'm a little nervous right now. Here's Jared Goff, June 6th, running, moving. Dying.

Still got it. Looks cool. Jared Goff's on the Goff course, and the Goff course is better than it's ever been. Yeah, Com didn't say his accuracy was bad. He said that he doesn't have enough power in his ball. No, he didn't say he's Matt Ryan Cropp. No, not at all. Anyways, speaking of Cropp. No, not at all. Anyways,

speaking of crop, Jay Monahan going through some crop right now. I don't know if his heart broke or heart exploded, but he is taking a break from day-to-day operations at the PGA just days after pissing off seemingly

everybody in his tour? Group? Except for rory jay monahan uh has a medical situation he is dealing with and he will step away from his day-to-day operations what a scene out of a movie so obviously there is conspiracies that can be concocted about this man's health because of who and how he's doing his business and who he might have pissed off and how he might have pissed off did this guy get poisoned or is there a chance that this is a i would never that didn't cross my mind i just thought oh this guy's dealing with a lot of stress yeah so something happened did this guy's heart start overworking because of his consciousness whenever he's laying down at night, when he puts his head on his pillow?

His only thoughts are, I did what we had to do. We would run out of money, but nobody understands this. I love Rory. Rory, half a billion dollars. Tiger, 800 million. I told these guys, don't do it. You weren't going to do anything, and then I did exactly what they did. And then, boom, he had too much stress and had to stop.

There's a chance that that happened. It's very possible. He could be seeing that guy who was calling for his head at the meeting at the RBC, just like, you know, in his dreams, saying, like, I'm going to get you, you fuck face. He could just be seeing that guy every night. And he couldn't get to his happy place, like Happy Gilmore anymore. Exactly. There was only a bad place for them.

So he said, you know what? This is taking over. I need to get out of here. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry maybe it was hey like everybody has said they don't like you we don't like you you can't be yeah make a heart attack and get the fuck out of here here's an easy way to kind of you know medical situation yeah and it weren't. Yeah, you start sneezing too many times, that's a medical situation.

Put your pants open. Sneeze is close to the climax, so it won't be as bad for you. You could have pooped your pants, maybe it isn't medical. Stepping away from his day-to-day operations, like, hey, his medical situation that's going on right now, no more power. That feels like that's potentially a little bit of hey, we can bow out gracefully

if you'd like, no problem at all potentially a little bit of, hey, we can bow out gracefully if you'd like. No problem at all. But we hope he's okay, obviously. Yeah. He could have. There's people that don't hope he's okay, though. There are some. There are some people that think that. We hope he's okay, AJ.

Oh, yes, we do. Didn't we hear that these guys, I know John Rahm's been playing with live guys out at the U.S. Open in his practice. Didn't we hear that these guys are going to get paid? They're going to, like Rahm and Rory. Yeah. Yassir Al-Rumayyan. What is it? Is it hear that these guys are going to get paid? They're going to like Rahm and Rory. Yeah. Um, yeah. Seer.

Oh, what is it? Hundreds of millions. They're going to get, are they going to get hundreds of millions? I think there's going to be a massive pool. It sounds like, cause they're making it public for a reason,

but it does appear and sound as if you see your owl roomie on who is the man in charge of the $650 billion pot to explore the space of sports and get involved more from the Saudi government, the PIF, which is the something investment fund. Whatever. Nah, P is. I don't think it's private. Some word.

Whatever the case. They're doing this. They are putting money into a pot for Rahm and McElroy and others who turned down hundreds of millions of dollars to fucking maybe bow back a little bit in there so that they can say like hey we understand the situation you were in at the time here's a little bit money what's the percentage you'll get back from their actual offer public is the actual investment fund good call connor but like how big is that is everybody guaranteed at that you have to win to get that is it just like golf in other ways like i don't think any of us know anything but it sounds like monty and being out if hopefully he's okay that feels like that's the first thing we've learned from pj and

live and then now this money going into a pot for players who were offered a lot of money that's another thing now how would all navigate going forward is the next couple questions i guess we figure out one does the pif now have say over who's going to take over the day-to-day operations? Because they already named it. Who is it? Some intern. Someone underneath is stepping up, at least for right now, it said. In the board? I don't know what the board... They said

whose name it was, who's going to help run day-to-day. Normally that's another board member, right? Somebody that's up in there? The board's weird, but who all is on the board now? I don't think we've ever known, right? Because whenever the money came out that they weren't giving anybody, we're like, who's all getting the money? And they're like, well, there's a board that makes decisions. It's like, they found an extra $50 million.

I have no idea. Where was that originally going? Yeah. Is that money going to their pockets? A lot of money coming in the vault. The chief operating officer, Tyler Dennis, the president of the PGA Tour, will take charge in the interim.

Congrats out there. Good luck. It's always the CLOs that take over. We're pulling for you. You can do it. Yeah, I mean, Wombsgams. I mean, that was kind of. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, yeah. What kind of last name is that? Well, allegedly it goes back to the first ever triple play in the MLB. That's where they got the last name from. Allegedly. That was a conspiracy theory on the internet before the final episode where they were like the first ever triple play, you know, knockout three. Unassisted.

You know. I did not know that. Yeah. Pretty deep. Pretty deep. If that's what the writers did. Yep. They've already said that is not what we did.

But, hey, that's a crazy coincidence. Yeah. Someone's going to spin off, right, from that show? Have to. We're all watching, dude. Logan Roy, not happy with how it ended with him. No. Right?

Why don't we put him up in heaven running something? Or purgatory. Or go back to him creating it. Imagine if it was. Yeah, flashback, the original. If it was him, though, up in purgatory running a business with other dead people. Steve Jobs and Logan Roy negotiating against each other. Come on.

Shinzu. Are you kidding me? Oh, my God. Shinzu is like the overseer. Yeah, writing our war, too. Oh, my God. He is dead, which is a shame. That did suck.

R.I.P. Gone too soon. Let's get out of here on this beautiful Wednesday. You got hockey talk tonight? Yes, sir. APMYouTube.com forward slash that's hockey talk. I apologize. I was looking up where the Wamsgams name comes from,

and pretty interesting. There were five Wamsgams families in the U.S. in the 1880s, and between 1880 and 1920, in Iowa. Hell, yeah. Shout-out Tom Walmsgams. Irwin. Shout-out Gacy. He's not from Iowa.

John Wayne. He lived there. He's not from there. Won awards there. He did. Waterloo JC's Man of the Year. That's your town. Put on the map.

That's right. Wow. Think about that. Yeah. Well, guess what? If you would have had the Chicken Little from that KFC, you'd be changing your tune. No, I wouldn't.

I think you would. That guy buried bodies in his fucking basement. Yeah. Horrible Iowa. Kids do it for him. In Des Plaines, Illinois. No, no, no. Yeah, but he won an award in Iowa.

He did, and it was like, you know what? You have taken KFC from the small mom-and-pop franchise to just a global conglomerate with your ideas, your ingenuity, and also the spices that you have decided to add to the chicken. For those that don't know or may be new to the program that weren't watching at this time, when the John Wayne Gacy documentary came out, and obviously this was a man who acted as if he was a clown

and had a contracting business in which he hired kids and then murdered them and buried them in his basement and had other kids bury them in the basement. That's right. In that documentary, we don't know a lot of towns in Iowa. I don't know a lot of them.

I know Des Moines is there. Sure. I know Iowa City is there. Yep. Cedar Rapids. See? Davenport, home of Seth Rollins. Okay, I do know that one.

Burn it down! Bingo. But not a lot of Iowa cities. Waterloo, Iowa is a place I know because that's our guy Ty's hometown. Hell yeah. Ty, we love Waterloo. Thank you. I had a real connection with Waterloo, Iowa.

I'm like, you know what? I know somebody from Waterloo. I know a family from Waterloo. So when I was watching his documentary, I was taken back. Holy shit. Waterloo, Iowa. Oh, Matti fucking Schmidt. Mad Mel Kiper.

Jason Glazer. All these people voted this killer, psychopath, pedophile, man of the year. I was alarmed. I was perturbed. Still talk about it to this day.

You don't deserve that, Ty. Waterloo deserves better. But also, Waterloo shouldn't have voted him man of the year. They probably shouldn't have, but again, I can't stress enough. If you would have been to this KFC, you would have thought, wow. There's something about that guy. I can't put my finger on it, but he is a damn good restauranteur. They said they liked the cut of his jib.

They did. They didn't know his jib. No, they didn't. His jib was a bad jib. It was. He's a bad guy. And then, of course, he got over to Illinois, does planes, basically Zito's backyard.

People don't talk about either. Illinois wrestler took him down. That's right. In his house, right? In his house. Macho Man took him down? Macho man, yeah. Macho man's from Illinois.

Same high school, yeah. Roll birds. Go Trojans then. Roll birds. Go Trojans. Let's get out of here. What a day. Hammer is in 15 minutes at youtube.com forward slash hammer. Don! We're going to talk about baseball. First five. Here we go. Baseball first fives.

And today, U.S. Open preview with the old tour junkies. Oh, tour junkies are regulars on there. It's open tomorrow. They got good brains. Good brains for the golf betting, yeah. But I think the first five, we're in first five time now for sports gambling. Gumpy, who's the man who's stuck in Canada, him and Tone have kind of mastered this baseball gum. Yeah, they know what they're doing.

They might throw out an L every once in a while because maybe the pitcher doesn't want to show up. But when you're betting on first fives, it's like ace versus ace. So you kind of know what you're getting. Unless a real hot lumber starts coming out of one particular dugout. That's right. That can kind of change it all. But we're almost into a point where we win bets now.

Oh, yeah. And soccer happening is good also as well with old Gump. Yeah, Gumpy's got the MLS basically locked down for the whole summer. I don't know if he's real big in the Concord Half League of Nations. I'll talk about that. Well, United States is going to win it. That's the only thing about it. Right.

Don't need picks there. USA. You need a coach, right? We got Nader on. He was running video ops, right? Yeah. He was video coordinating. Yeah, like Spolstra.

B.J. Callahan. Bingo. Versus a big tennis player. Why notstra. B.J. Callahan. Bingo. Versus a big tennis player. Why not just hire D.J. Callahan? Is that what you said? No. Well, I wish I did, but the interim's name is B.J. Callahan. We need D.J.

Let's call Tony Mule. Let's see who's... We're going to get out of here, but you're right, Zeke. Let's call Tony Mule. We need to get to Obama's. Why you're right, Zeke. Let's call Tony Miola. We need to get to Obama. Why not just hire DJ Khaled? He was giving his motivational speech to this guy on his golf course. Master motivator.

In the middle of a windstorm for 10 minutes, the guy he was talking to, DJ Khaled, very good golfer. I assume the guy he's talking to is better at golf than DJ Khaled. Probably. Some of these people that just golf all day every day at these country clubs. Now, DJ Khaled's a very good golfer. He was able to inspire this guy. Like, I saw the guy's spirit floating.

Why don't we put DJ Khaled down there on the pitch and just have him coach the United States men's soccer team? That's a great idea. Why not have DJ Khaled motivating the boys on the pitch? Because we need him riding that automatic surfboard. No answer for Tony Miola. It must be. Maybe he's interviewing. Maybe he's interviewing for that guy.

Good luck in there, Tony. Go get him, Tony. It must be. He's working. Maybe he's interviewing. Maybe he's interviewing for that guy. Good luck in there, Tony. Go get him, Tony. Coach Mule. Coach Toon. All right, we'll be back tomorrow with a big-time show. Huge. We got a big show tomorrow, right? Oh, yeah.

Huge. More updates on Monaghan. More updates on U.S. Open starting. Yeah, here we go. More updates on how Stoner and the boys are doing. More updates on Stephon Diggs and the Buffalo Beals relationship. More updates on how Stoner and the boys are doing. More updates on Stephon Diggs and the Buffalo Beals relationship. More updates on contract statuses with DHOP, the New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans, and maybe other teams.

We've got a big day tomorrow, AJ. Huge. I can't wait. All right. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Goodbye.