The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 929 - Paul Heyman, US Open Champion Wyndham Clark, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat more about the Jack Jones situation after his attorney, Rosemary Scapicchio addressed the media today giving her thoughts on the whole situation and where they stand right now, and whether it helps, hurts, or doesn’t matter at all for Jack Jones moving forward. They also chat about Packers players publicly backing Jordan Love and how he’s looked so far in OTA’s, and why it truly feels like the turning of a page for the Packers organization. They also discuss the group of people who went down in a submarine and now are having issues and only have 40 hours of oxygen left, and everything else going on in the sports world (20:40-40:46). Joining the progrum to everyone’s surprise is the Wise man, the microphone maestro, WWE icon, Paul Heyman to chat about Roman Reigns’ iconic run as champion, what is means to be great, and a couple of life lessons as well (1:53:19-2:11:55). Later, newly minted US Open Champion, Wyndham Clark joins the show to discuss his incredible weekend, how working with a mental coach helped get him over the hump, his thoughts approaching the 18th green on Sunday, his relationship with his caddie, why he thinks he’s putting everything together now, and much more (). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Wow, There Really Is No Sports Tuesday. June 20th, 2023. This sports program starts now. Sports! Are happening. I watched college baseball last night. A little bit electrifying. Hell yeah. The Wake Forest pitcher that started for them was an absolute psychopath. I love everything about that guy. He was rocking and moving and grooving between every single pitch. He was batting the ball off the back of his hand, and he was throwing. It was nothing like any professional baseball that I'd ever seen.

The metal bats, what a sound that makes. Whenever you can actually hear the difference between a good shot and a certain jom, getting jommed up, that sounds like it's coming off the rubber, actually. It's a little bit of a different ball game. There's been some exciting times in the college thing. College World Series. There it is. CWA. In Omaha. We're going to be there next year, so I figured

I might as well check it out because it was also the only thing fucking on last night. So I was watching it. Good times. Didn't mind it at all. Seems like every single game except for one has been within one run. So it's been very competitive. It's been very electrifying. Stanford gave up a massive lead to the University of Tennessee. I heard McGee and Peyton Manning both sploo

from their respective towns that they were in. And I know this weekend it's only going to get better. Last night, Monday Night Raw was on. Pretty sweet. And as promoted on Monday Night Raw last night, as we are easing in on Money in the Bank in London in July, Logan Paul will be in that. Can't wait to see him.

He continues to do incredible shit with his body. He's a freak athlete. Did a front flip out of the ring last night, landed on his feet pretty much. Yeah. So he's an absolute fucking dog. Joining us today will be the World Heavyweight Champion, Seth Rollins. Let's go. Hey.

I believe there's some breaking news, too, right before he comes on. Wow. So we got some good shit popping off today. We also will have Wyndham Clark joining us. Yes. Yes. Wyndham, the man that won the US Open just a couple days ago at LACC. And we learned of his story about his mom

passing away and everything he had been through. And the way he held his composure while the entire world was literally sitting on his shoulders as he's walking down that 18th fairway. One push, just a little bit further on that 58-yard-wide fairway into the rough. Could have lost it. Oh, yeah. His approach shot, put it

in the rough like Ricky Fowler did just seconds before he went. He potentially loses it. Yeah. Instead, he gets it to 60 feet, putts it, makes a footer. He is now a U.S. Open champion. His second win in 137-somethings. Unreal. Unbelievable the way this guy operates.

And now this weekend, we got the Traveler's Championship up there in Connecticut. We'll talk to him about his life now, what his life was like, and then him chugging out the U.S. Open trophy immediately afterwards at a bar. Seems like this might be one of our guys. Don't know much about him, but as I learn more, I like him. He'll be joining us at 205. We'll have some of your phone calls on the 5RNG

phone line. 1-833-432-3663. Cannot wait to chat with you at 1-833-4... The Dome! Should be a pretty wild day. The Talks at the Table is here at Boss Conner and at Ty Schmidt. be a pretty wild day. The talk's at the table here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys Tyron Diggs is here. And 14-year NFL icon and rapper.

Ladies and gentlemen, Pac-Man Jones is here. Good to see you, Pac. Saw you getting into lacrosse. You look pretty good. Yeah, man. Got your hat on. It was a pretty... It was way different than what I thought it was.

You know, like we said, we thought it was just the khakis. He went to the National Lacrosse League's tournament in Columbus, Ohio. Columbus, Georgia. I mean, Columbus, Ohio. It was unbelievable. I tell you this. A lot of those guys came out of there with a lot of ice in a lot of different places.

The contact was nothing less but top competition, I would say. And it was a lot of goal shot. It was very interesting. I saw you sitting next to Demoree Smith. I don't know what you're doing there, but I enjoyed everything else that you did. I enjoyed everything else that you had going on. Looked like you got a pretty good shot. Yeah.

Looked like you got a pretty good shot. You looked real comfortable with the stick in your hand. First time. That was your first shot, right? First time ever. Yeah. That was the first shot.

That's the problem with these lax bros, though. They see you holding a stick, and now you seemingly fell in love. This guy's got it on in his house in his living room last night. Yeah, I like it. Tossing to himself. Having a good time with Junie. Cradling. And you got these lax boys saying,

That's a shot, Norm. That's not how you look like Paul Rabel to me. Couldn't even walk in without him talking shit. That's not true. Just let the guy learn. That's not true. He went to the national across. Slide your hand down.

You got your hand way too high. I was trying to help. You didn't know what I'm doing. Yeah, I was trying to help you. That is exactly what I did tell him. Did you say it in a helping manner? No. Yeah.

It wasn't what you said. It was how you said it. I said it very politely. I said, Pac, you look like a fool. Put your top hand down a little bit. That one's fucking right underneath the goalie's left hand. There's a five hole right there. Top check.

Boom. Bam. Bounce shot always works. Bounce shots are good shots. I see a lot of them. No lookers and everybody's bounce shot. I'm happy you got out there and had a good time. So they record everything on Friday and then they air it during the weekend.

Is that what happened there? No. All the games? I think it was live. Yeah, record everything on Friday, and then they air it during the weekend. Is that what happened there? No. All the games? I think it was live. Yeah, they're live. They're live games. The NLL, which I think you mentioned earlier, the league Stan Kroenke won a championship in.

I'm not sure if those ones are pre-taped or not, but the PLL, they've been live. ESPN plus ESPN. The NLL is not the one that Pac-Man won. No, NLL is the box. The one that the Colorado Mammoths won. Oh, of course. The Mammoths are a team. Cronky's other team.

Okay, so the PLL is what he wants. Yeah, Premier Lacrosse League. And there's a bunch of games, right? Wasn't there? Yeah, it was four games. How long were you there? I was there. I think the first game started at six.

The second one started at eight. So they're about two-hour games. Yeah. They're doing like a weekend kind of tour, if you will, like next weekend. That's smart. Yeah, they're going all over. I think they're – All lacrosse fans in this area come watch all the teams right here.

Yeah, exactly. That's really smart. That's good business. So Friday, I guess, boom. And then Saturday they flip and play another team. Yeah, the other two teams. It's not like winners, losers. It's just like let's finish our schedule.

No, from my understanding, it's 46 games. Yeah. Jeez. Every team plays every weekend understanding, it's 46 games. Every team plays every weekend. 46 games? Don't they play like 12 in college? Yeah, 15 in college. Hey, this is the Premier Lacrosse League, baby.

They take it seriously. It's not professional lacrosse league. I am learning. Kind of like the EPL. The Premier League in England. That's the only reason I can remember it. Okay, so it's Premier Lacrosse League. Boom. That's Rabel's one.

Yes. Rabel player. Yeah, it was a player. I actually donned the logo on Pac-Man's hat for a little while with the Atlas. And now Baptiste is your guy. Yeah, Baptiste is the dog. He only lost one face-off, I think. John Luigi?

He's the best. Good Lord. I think that is his name, yeah. Come on, guys. John Luigi Baptiste, right? No, I think it's Gene. Gene Baptiste. You know who's Jay?

Just John Luigi. I don't think he plays anymore in the PLL. I don't know if he's Italian either. I'm not 100% sure, but I do not think Baptiste is. He's a player, though. He's your Trevor Baptiste. Okay. Not Gene.

Let's move into stuff that we know. Okay. Let's start talking about laws in Massachusetts. Yep. Exactly what we know. This is stuff that we know. Yep. This is what we need to talk about.

And, you know, there's been a couple different off-season topics through the years that we've had to debate and discuss that have really carried us for a few months because there just seemingly was a new thing after another. And we knew nothing about them, but we learned about them as we went. And we were very transparent. For instance, we were told that a ham sandwich. Yeah, you can indict a ham sandwich.

A ham sandwich would get indicted. So when a quarterback, formerly of the Houston Texans, was going through everything that he was going through, very serious. Incredibly. So when I say everything he was going through, I'm not throwing that to the side. Very, very serious. But everything that he was going through was a long period of time

during the offseason. And it was a lot of us talking about a lot of things and learning about a lot of things as we were going via random reports on the internet or some lawyer that has a blog or whatever the case is we learned about it and i feel like we all got kind of got educated in that process feels like we're about to get educated on massachusetts law with guns and airports it feels like that's what we're going to do we got our first look at jack jones walking into the courtroom uh not in the courtroom, I guess in the courthouse, then he would obviously go through,

been there, done that. Then he would go through a metal detector. Then you go and find whichever courtroom you're going to, and then you do your thing. It's also our first glance at his lawyer. First take, lawyer's taking no fucking shit from anybody. No, she's not. She actually told the media, we got no statement.

Okay, please get the hell out of the way. Not a single hair out of place. Nope, no. She knows that she's not. She actually told the media, we got no statement. Okay, please get the hell out of the way. Not a single hair out of place. Nope, no. She knows that she's going into that courtroom and things are not looking necessarily fantastic for them. No. Now, she did come out and say that social media was trying to get this guy fired before anything happened. And she was thankful that the Patriots leadership stepped above the noise and rose above the noise and didn't just decide to cut him immediately. Now, she did not speak at all about the case. No.

But she did say that the reason why everybody's reacting the way they are is because of... Because it is a young black man with a gun in an airport and so they're immediately labeling him a thug. And she kind of said that a few times in different ways. She said the cops are saying that? No, social media has labeled him a thug. How is social media...

I don't think social media is like, hey, bro, him a thug. How is social media? Believe me. Social media is like, hey, bro, you fucked up. You had your fucking guns in the bag. Yeah, but you're racist. Yeah. You are racist. Oh, my God, Pac-Man. You cannot play the race card.

What do you say to this guy? Pac-Man. No. Pac-Man. I never thought I'd see the day he got canceled. Put it on the sticker. Pac-Man's racist. She said it close to 100 times.

Yeah, but she said that? Yeah, she was hammering that home. Right after she the judge uh some double fried french fries with some donkeys awesome donkey sauce okay she does have guy fieri i get what you're saying let's move along nothing wrong with that she came out and fucking like didn't mention having the gun at all in the airport or anything like that just basically attacked everyone she has as a human that has been on the internet through this entire process, and I know back in the day they used to say if you win the mob, you win Rome. So public perception did matter.

And I'm not saying the public perception doesn't matter in this particular case, but she's preaching the wrong crowd. We're not the ones making the... You can't be going into the judge and the jury and talking about Instagram. The reason why two guns were in his bag is because the world is racist. That doesn't carry any actual weight.

So I'm a little bit worried almost about this dog-looking attorney that that's not her. No. That is not her. Might be related. That is Guy Fieri. He's a chef. He's the host of Triple D. That's right.

He's a scumbag. Not the lawyer. Oh, Guy. Okay. That's right. He's a scumbag. Not the lawyer. Oh, Guy. Okay. That guy. Listen to the pronouns, asshole. I didn't hear that part. Yeah, he said he.

I'm not assuming hers. Anyways, Guy Fieri is an incredibly talented chef. He is. He's a good entrepreneur, businessman, and a host. Okay. Triple D is awesome. He almost made me famous one time in a bottle service area of a Kentucky Derby party where he pulled out his phone and told me to dance and he would make me famous. That's awesome. He almost made me famous one time in a bottle service area of a Kentucky Derby party where he pulled out his phone and told me to dance and he would make me famous.

That's right. That did not happen, but here we are now. How about it? So we don't know what role Guy Fieri had in this entire thing, but we do know we have met him. Great vibes. And the donkey sauce is delish. Gangster.

Well, it is gangster as well. Speaking of gangster, did you just say that because there was a black man with a gun? What the fuck? No, I was not implying that. I was not implying that. Look at how proud he is with that Hawkeye. In any way, shape, or form, I wasn't implying that, but I'm sure she will come after me because that was. I mean, these guys are not exaggerating.

She said in the two-minute and 45-second, three-minute clip, She said in the two-minute and 45-second, three-minute clip, she mentioned that the media and social media is making him out to be a thug because he is a young black man who had a gun about 100 times. That is the wrong way to go about it. She should have said it. I would say that. Hey, judge, he fucked up. He forgot to have the gun.

We don't know what she said to the judge. She did say that, though, in the entire press conference. She said, like, this is a situation where he went, you know, to the airport, forgot that there were guns on his carry-on bag, similar to what you said, when, you know, the gummies were there. And then he was very cooperative with the police, and the police report reflects that. Listen, Rosemary Scarpiccio. Yeah, exactly.

Okay. This isn't just some lady. Yeah, and the way you were speaking about her is— Well, I'm allowed to. Okay. Well— That sounds a little racist, too. Yeah, and the way you were speaking about her is... Well, I'm allowed to. Okay. Well... That sounds a little racist, too. Yeah, it does.

Hold on. Now you're mocking all Italians, huh? I guess everyone's getting canceled. Wow. Yeah. I don't love that she did that. Like, I don't love that she did that, but I guess she's trying to fight a public battle as well

as in court, and who knows how the entire court case takes place, but just automatically assuming that everybody's talking about a guy having two guns in an airport who happens to be a very good football player really good entering his prime with a lot of money on the line is immediately because he's a black man and we're assuming that that would be very racist to them i have a cousin two of them that have gun charges and have been in jail for gun charges so it's not just like black people are the only people with guns or are reckless with guns but the fact that an nfl corner at the top of his fucking game now has a two guns and a bag

charge at an airport we all very much have to talk about that because we can't be letting this happen again no like hey guys that have their entire life in front of them okay we need to be a little bit more careful and i've made a lot of mistakes pac-man's made a lot of mistakes a lot of mistakes everybody's made a lot of mistakes yes but now that we made a lot of mistakes. Everybody's made a lot of mistakes. But now that we've got the John Morant shit popping off we're about to lose, could have lost, and we hope he turns around, but we could lose one of the brightest faces of the future of the

NBA from dumb shit that doesn't need to happen. We've got to stop it. The Jack Jones stuff, like I understand it was a mistake. Why does he think he's got to have two guns on him? Another whole conversation that we should maybe look at from a societal point of view about targeting people that have money and everything like that how much we display and let people know like nfl contracts you can google exactly how much money everybody has so maybe some people are from some places where them having an

actual bag over top of their head is not the smartest thing maybe there are some people but that's just kind of how that whole thing goes. But we can't have people making these stupid mistakes going forward, so we have to talk about it. That's not racist. We're actually looking out for hopefully the future generation of everything, and I think it's a big deal to talk about it. Yeah, and Comer sometimes catch you, because it's the same

guy that fucking just went off. I mean, went off on Morant. Yeah, we saw that. So, like, chill down, Miss Rosie. Two guns is tough. I mean, went off on Morant. Yeah, we saw that. Chill down, Ms. Rose. Two guns is tough. Chill down, Ms. Rose. This has nothing to do with race. Trust me. Yeah, but you're racist.

We just found that out. Too late for you, Pat. Good run. And I said this yesterday. I think one gun, I could see how, if somebody's a gun holder, you could have one gun potentially in the side pocket of a bag or in the back part of a bag. It's got to be a little bit heavy, though, Pat. Two guns, two loaded clips.

I mean, I don't know how that just is. That's going to be a tough one to explain. Yeah, for sure. And I don't know if it's just race that's going to come into play to help you out there i think that in of itself with a if there was a human that had no face in no skin color like none at all which might be existing with an alien exactly translucent but i mean we don't know what's gonna happen my first thought but if we did and they had this case pop up everybody would be like gonna be a tough one to explain yeah that's gonna be tough her saying social media try to get a guy fired i don't know if social media is a part of it all i think we're

just kind of understanding that the nfl is a very difficult place to have a job no matter how good if you're a distraction it's not necessarily a good thing yeah yeah it's not a right it is a privilege to be in the nfl and this one seems like it's going to be drawn out pretty long and the punishments are very very very stern very in the state of massachusetts none of it's looking good but we're pulling for him, obviously. Yeah, and like you mentioned, he's already 25 and the Joss stuff is very relevant today. That's a national story and it feels like this one might become one, too.

And he did mention, or rather she did mention, speaking on his behalf, Miss Scarpiccio mentioned how he didn't want to be labeled a distraction and all that. I am curious that, is there any situation similar to this in the past where a team immediately releases a guy?

Because, honestly, as a Patriots fan, I assumed that he would probably be let go. Dre Smith, it happened to Dre Smith. He had his gun and forgot. One gun? Yeah, one gun. What state? I want to say it was Cincinnati. Okay? I want to say it was Cincinnati.

Okay. I want to say it was Cincinnati. State of Cincinnati. Luke Fickle's gone. I don't know if they're still going to have that or not. But he had gun license, though. So... One gun. Yeah, one gun and he had license to carry. He forgot. I think it was a big-ass fine for him and like a couple months of probation. In this whole era of

we need not be reckless with guns, I think we're all on the same page. Everybody's on the same page there. Absolutely. I think all political parties are on the same page whenever you go through. Hey, we need to get rid of reckless gun ownership. Gotta figure this out. I mean, that's like a first step, I think,

for one particular side. The other side is like, yeah, we're 100% on that side. I don't know how they go about figuring that out. they do hey let's figure it out hopefully they're able to figure it out together but this is very reckless this is another thing so it's hard to like her saying he doesn't want to be labeled a distraction she might as well just came out like he doesn't want to be labeled a guy that had two guns accidentally in his back at an airport he doesn't want to be labeled a distraction he is what it's like this is the nfl what's done is done he's an nfl player and there's a big deal It's like, this is the NFL. What's done is done.

He's an NFL player, and this is a big deal. It's a glass house. We hope they get it all figured out, honestly. Ian Rapport has an update. Cornerback Jack Jones posted a $30,000 bail for gun-related charges after being arrested at Logan International on Friday. Per East Boston Court District, he pleaded not guilty and is due back in court on August 18th,

same day as the Pat's second preseason game for the probable cause here. Good news, he doesn't have to play in that one. He's already on team. Yeah, he is a starter. He's already on team. So if we're just talking strictly football-wise, he's not missing anything. So what are the charges, though? There's five of them.

Are they felonies? Yeah. I believe so. I think it was like four of them. Four felonies. But, yeah, times two, right? Because it's two guns. It's those four per gun.

Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah. And also clip. We don't know if he had an extender or not, but had a clip. It's over 10. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's fucking real.

Carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. Like what is the gun law there? Hey, mandatory two and a half years. Yeah. So you cannot have a gun in Boston? No, he didn't have the proper identification or register or something along those lines with the guns. Probable cause hearing pretty much decides if it's going to go to trial. Okay, so Rosemary Scapeggio needs to stop talking to us about being racist,

and let's get to work about August 18th. Now, Jack Jones is an NFL player. So the lawyer that he is going to have is going to be a good one. Rosemary, our first initial look at her, she's a dog. Yeah, lightning rod. Rosemary is going to be able to figure it out. And I appreciate her coming out publicly to defend her guy, but that's just not reality. February 2019, she got somebody off on first-degree murder.

December 2017, six non-guilty verdicts. She good. Here's another not guilty first-degree murder. December 2017, six non-guilty verdicts. Here's another not guilty first degree murder. This lady is undefeated in Massachusetts courts. Rosemary Scappiccio is playing no games whenever she's in front of a jury or a judge. Jack Jones hired the right one here. It does seem like. Let's hope Paisana can maybe make a play so he can play football again and not have his entire life taken from him at the age of 25, staring down another contract potentially, and football at a very high level. We hope it gets figured out. Congratulations.

Come on, man. Good player. Good player. Great player, right? So good. Hey, dog, like actual. Yeah, actual dog. I mean, just don't want to judge too hard here.

No. Two guns, couple clips. Now, they say Ja came from a real nice house or whatever. They did the whole clearance. Yeah, clearance.

From 8 Mile or whatever. They said that about Ja. The internet let their jokes fly about, hey, Ja, come on. Big time. You're watching rap videos trying to... This is not actually... Feels like Jack, potentially. Feel like Jack Dog, you know. Feel like Jack Dog. Yeah, Dog on the football field and on the football field.

Yeah, yeah. We would like him to maybe harbor his dogness a little bit. Just a little bit. And we can't be forgetting guns and bags. Here's a, I don't speak for anybody except for me.

But a lot of people seem to say the things that I say are what they were thinking. Yeah. So I'll speak for the people who are thinking the same thing that I'm thinking right now. To the NFL players. Hey, let's check our fucking bags for guns. Yeah, please. Okay, going forward. Yeah.

We're taking a trip. It's trip time right now. Exactly. It's trip time. Let's go and just... Let's give a little peeksy. Okay? Let's just give a little peeksy in the back before we get out there.

No edibles, no dope, no weed. Okay, no guns. Two guns, two forklifts. Okay, let's get all that out of there. 30 seconds. So that we can continue to prosper. You've worked your entire fucking life to get here. Yeah. Let's change the trajectory of everything. Speaking of changing the trajectory of

everything, this man that is joining us right now became the world heavyweight champion of the WWE just a few weeks back. Obviously, his work ethic is impeccable. He's been on this show before and given us an incredible conversation time and time again. He's a diehard Bears fan. Sorry about it. Whoa. Does love sports.

Been one of the faces of WWE for a long time. In to chat with us about this breaking news right here. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been told that for the first time in seven years, a premium live event is coming back to the great city of Indianapolis, Indiana. On October 7th as Fastlane goes live from Gamebridge Arena. Tickets go on sale

I believe tomorrow. I assume the World Heavyweight Champion will be there. Ladies and gentlemen, he got stomped by Finn Bauer last night. Seth freaking Rollins. Yeah! What? Nope.

That's not Seth. Ladies and gentlemen, and Pat McAfee, my name is Paul Heyman. It is. Why would we let Seth Rollins handle

an announcement like this when an announcement like this of this enormity of the publicity of the Pat McAfee show should go to a moving champion

like your tribal chief the undisputed WWE Universal Heavyweight Champion Roman Reigns. Okay, so is Roman coming in? What happened? Where's Seth at?

Like, legitimately, this is an interesting. What happened to Seth Riker-Rollins? Did you kill Seth Riker-Rollins? Did you beat up Seth Riker-Rollins? Because they promoted it last night on Raw. Seth Riker-Rollins on the Pat McAfee show. On YouTube. I get excited.

I'm like, hey, Seth Rollins and I are going to talk a little Bears football. We're going to talk about Fastlane, October 7th in Indianapolis, Indiana. First premium live event in Indianapolis in seven years. And then all of a sudden, I got the wise man, the microphone maestro, a man who has been with the tribal chief and with Brock Lesnar,

the man who founded ECW, which transformed wrestling. A guy who's been in the wrestling business since he's like 10 years old, actually writing and covering in a part of... What happened here? Honestly, what happened here? Did you kill Seth freaking Rollins? Well, I will forgive you for the understatement of my resume.

However, nothing's happened to Seth freaking Rollins past the fact that he got his head stomped in multiple times last night by Finn Balor and he has to get to NXT to defend his title against Braun Breaker if he can survive that challenge even at 100% this evening.

But, you know, sometimes these phones, they can be manipulated. They can be hacked. And people can be given the wrong information about call-in times. You know? And, like, I do know this.

I do know if you really, if you're a Seth Rollins fan, and we all should be. Tremendous talent. Tune into NXT tonight and watch Seth Rollins versus Braun Breaker and watch the ascension of Braun Breaker as the next world heavyweight champion. And then, make your plans

perfect. Mr. McAfee, do you think that the fact that Beth Lane comes to Indianapolis based on the fact that Fast Lane comes to Indianapolis based on the fact that Indianapolis is the host of the Indianapolis 500. It's known for the

Fast Lane. That's why you're the wise man. That makes sense. You're piecing it together. Not an insult. I didn't say something disparaging about your great city. I say this on behalf of the tribal chief, the head of the table, the ruler of the island of relevancy, that now, not only does WWE bring relevancy to Indianapolis,

Not only does WWE bring relevancy to Indianapolis, but by virtue of the fact that Indianapolis has either lent, licensed, or sold the name Fastlane from the Indianapolis 500 to WWE, that Indianapolis brings relevancy to WWE. Hell yeah. We like that, Paul. Love the way you speak and the way your brain operates. Very thankful you're here. Now, I didn't know it was going to be you, but I'm very excited about this because we've got a lot to talk about, Paul, since the last time I've been around. Holy hell. We're talking about this bloodline story and everything that has happened to this

family and we've got to watch along like this. Reality TV has been taking place right in front of our eyes every Mondays and Fridays and house shows around the globe and obviously viral and trending every single week week but that island of relevancy that you speak about in the table that roman is the head of seemingly a lot smaller paul i saw you obviously squirm your way out of the ring and you went over to the commentators

table as you watched on as jay uso delivers a boot to fucking roman's mouth after everything they've been through since right-hand man days. How do you feel? You feel a little empty? You feel a little lonely? And is this 100% your fault? Is that how we should be viewing this? 100% my fault?

I don't know how we could take that position, so I do respect your opinion. Listen, this is growing pains. And the Usos are now experiencing the same growing pains that they did when they were children, and they always were second

to Roman Reigns. Whether it be on the football field or at the house or who got the better food for the better nutrition to build the better body, or who could just whoop whose ass in the backyard. It was always, you know, the tribal chief that remained dominant over the twins. And it did take two twins to put one tribal chief down. I love the twins.

I love Jay and Jimmy. And I hope that they will display the same greatness that they did as the greatest tag team champions of all time when they take their beatings from Roman Reigns and Solo at Money in the Bank July 1st in London. Okay. And I'm very proud of them for being willing to take those beatings. Okay. Well, I'm proud of them as well. You know, some people said they finally stood up for themselves.

That's right. You know, some people said, this is not me. Listen, just like people are blaming you and saying it's all your fault. That wasn't my position. I'm just, this is what people are saying. This is what people are saying. People are saying they're proud of you. So standing standing up to their cousin who's kind of been just dragging them through the dirt so that he can have you know this run that people are going to put

in the greatest of all time status in conversation is that how you feel for those people are wrong right roman didn't use his cousins roman wouldn't do that to his own blood and now solo's sitting there he wouldn't do the same thing to solo right that's not our tribal chief why are people saying this paul why has everybody got so confused oh you know it's like everyone wants to shoot out in the okay well you know when when you are the top gunslinger everyone says well i could draw the gun faster but nobody truly can and and when when roman reigns is the undisputed number one biggest box office attraction of all time, the WrestleMania grosses speak for themselves. The grosses in Saudi Arabia speak for themselves.

The grosses in London and in Cardiff speak for themselves. The ratings on SmackDown. And this is with the loss of Pat McAfee as their color commentator. Speak for themselves. So, everyone wants to take their pokes and take their criticism of Roman Reigns, and of course they do.

He's undisputed number one, and when you are the undisputed number one, everybody says they can do the, I could have been a better president than Abraham Lincoln. Okay, I'm sure you could be. I could have been the first guy on the moon. Yeah, I'm sure you could have been.

I could have beaten Michael Jordan in a game of horse. Yeah, I'm sure you could have. I could have done a duel with Wayne Gretzky on the ice and scored on him. Yeah, I'm sure you could have. But none of them do. Everybody points their little nasty fingers at Roman Reigns, but he's the undisputed tribal chief. And until someone can knock him off that throne,

then we're just going to have to live with your criticism. Roman has changed the game, obviously. You know, from the Shield days to coming back to what he has evolved into over the last... How many days is champion-wise, man? Oh, well past 1,000. Is that good? Wow.

Tell me. You tell me. I think so. You remember back in the day, Sam Martino used to be the guy. Obviously, Pittsburgh Paisan legend. Was a champion forever. And that was because back in the day, you didn't really see him that much. He was going territory to territory. Then whenever he would get there it's like holy hell

our champions are romans on tv every single week that's right as the chop now there's been a couple weeks he's taken off and that's certainly been things that people have talked about but whenever you're the champion you've earned the right to do whatever you want to do his runs the greatest of all time this is the greatest of all time right now paul undisputed anybody gonna argue that and who they say john cena uh steve rock hulk andre now they may be disputing it undisputed hey that's unbelievable steve also didn't hold the title for a thousand days john cena didn't hold the title for a thousand days the rock didn't hold the title for a thousand days. John Cena didn't hold the title for a thousand days. The Rock didn't hold the title for a thousand days. Come on.

And in this era, with this much pressure, with this level of competition, with a murderer's row of heavyweights that have come after him, how many title defenses against Brock Lesnar, defeating John Cena, stacking Edge and Daniel Bryan on top of each other in the main event of WrestleMania, getting by, admittedly just getting by Cody Rhodes. Come on. Look at the roster that has been defeated by Roman Reigns. It's an all-time great legendary roster. I concur. And he also has an all-time great legendary roster. I concur.

And he also has an all-time great legendary person as a wise man. You the greatest of all time in your position? Undisputed. Hey, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, wise man. A lot of people were throwing blame around for what happened last week with the Usos and Roman. But my question to you is, do you think that this really stems from what happened with

Sami Zayn and how he kind of has planted this seed of not really being all about what Roman is doing right now? If Jey Uso can be manipulated by Sami Zayn, then I have less respect for Jey Uso at this moment than I did five minutes

ago. Come on. Shmooly is a schmuck. And, you know, he's a wannabe. And, you know, he will go through life as Kevin Owens' best friend. You know, I told the analogy that the whole thing with Sammy was about acceptance. And it's about, you know, the kid at school that, you know, I want to sit with those kids because those kids are the cool kids. Those kids are the accepted kids. Those kids are the relevant kids.

Right. Sammy was the irrelevant kid that wanted to sit at the relevant table. And now that he's out of the honorary position of being an honorary oose, he's irrelevant again. So this is who you're going to listen to and be manipulated by? Come on. What's the matter with you?

Hey, I'll tell you what. That honorary ooze shirt was awesome. So sweet. You know, all us whites were looking for it, weren't we? We were all looking. We're all hoping to be an honorary ooze and it just kind of disappeared because Sammy seemingly couldn't get along with the entire family. And then now, to Connor's point, you know, a lot of people, Jay, Jay at the beginning didn't like Sammy. Then him and Sammy started to get along.

And then all of a sudden, Sammy's like, hey, Jay, what are you doing? Snap into him. Come on. What are we doing? And then now maybe Sammy is the reasoning why this all took place. Wise man, that happened right underneath your nose. Oh, where the hell were you? This guy who's a schmuck, you said, potentially came in,

slithered his way around, tore the house down. Greatest house of all time, you're saying. If you could be manipulated by Sami Zayn, I wouldn't want you in the bloodline. All right, easy as that. Goodbye. Good riddance to bad judgment. All right.

Tone has a question for you Paul Mr. Heyman I was lucky enough to be in attendance at a WWE live event at Barclays Center in Brooklyn New York okay and I was lucky enough and we were lucky enough that our tribal chief blessed us with his presence

me and Sam Roberts we stood for our tribal chief these two would not stand for our tribal chief. Those are false. Erroneous. Erroneous. These two would not stand for our tribal chief. He's not here.

This is a make-up. Doesn't matter. I always stand when he's mentioned. Yep, that's bull. I stand always when he's mentioned. These two would not stand for our tribal chief. Erroneous and all counts. That's bull. Paul, what do you think about. These two would not stand for our travel. Nope, that's Bull. Paul, what do you think about the people that won't acknowledge Roman Reigns like these two?

Not true. I think the only people that I have less respect for than those who won't acknowledge Roman Reigns are those who snitch on those who won't acknowledge him. Oh, yeah! Boom! Pew, pew, pew. Oh, the cowboy hat just slid down. Yeah, I might be a Brock Lesnar.

This is me off. Hey, Brock has been quite a challenge for old Roman. In that GOAT conversation, Brock's certainly there, been on the marquee for 20-some years. Ty has a question on that note. Yeah, Mr. Wiseman, when you look back at every WWE superstar you've run across in your illustrious career, who's one guy, like your dream booking that you wish Roman could have got in the squared

circle with, whether it's guys from very early in your career or people who Roman maybe just passed over, who's one guy you really wish Roman could have got in there and just beat the absolute piss out of? Himself. Okay, fair. Because that's really Roman's greatest challenge in life is topping himself. That the Roman Reigns of

tomorrow has to be better than the Roman Reigns of today, and the Roman Reigns two days from now need to be better than the Roman Reigns tomorrow. So the only true challenger to Roman reigns is himself, that he has to be constantly better. He can never truly peak because once he peaks, that's it. We've reached the apex. It's time to go do something else. but in challenging himself to be greater tomorrow than he is today and greater two days from now than he is tomorrow then we are constantly evolving and the tribal chief gets better and better so he's looking to be the goat today and tomorrow

eclipsed that level to create an unprecedented level, like an expanding universe is always bigger than it was a moment ago. So he's never going to rest on his laurels, which is, you know, it's like the story of Michael Jordan showing up for practice at 11 o'clock in the morning. And the coach one day showed up at 1230 because it was a one o'clock practice. And he looked at me, go to MJ practice begins at one. And Michael said, yeah, I should be here tomorrow at 10 instead of 11. Right.

Yeah. That's the point. You got to outdo and outwork and outperform and, and outclass and out champion and out great everyone else, including, and especially yourself. What an answer. Unbelievable. Unbelievable answer. Especially with how long he's been around wrestling.

Oh, yes. That answer could have won anywhere. Instead, we just got a five-minute promo about Roman and greatness as a whole about how you need to do it. Paul, you're a fucking microphone genius, pal. You know that? I don't know if you would have ever got into politics and if you ever get into Paul, you're a fucking microphone genius, pal. You know that? I don't know if you would have ever got into politics, and if you will ever get into politics,

I would love to see you just fucking go at one of these professional speakers. You know what I mean? These people that are in the real world making real decisions, who feel like they're the smartest person of all time. Put them in a room with Paul Heyman, and let's just, nobody else. No, we don't need any of their advisors, none of their consultants, no crowd to gas anybody up. Just empty room.

Let's have Paul Heyman in there and said person, and that person might have said there'd be a better president than Abraham Lincoln. I never heard anybody say that, but you said it earlier, and I was listening. And then just watch you work. Was there anything other than wrestling you were ever going to do in your life? I still got a long time to go. I'm just getting started. I'm just figuring this stuff out right now.

I feel like I'm in my sophomore phase of my career. In wrestling or life? In everything. Hell yeah. I saw you talk to Rick Rubin for like three hours. I heard that podcast came out. That was incredible.

There was quotes from like each 20-minute segment kind of hitting the internet out of nowhere. And then you hear like Paul Heyman sat down with who? Rick Rubin. For how long? Three hours. Holy. The amount of knowledge that is just spilling out of brains there. I couldn't even fathom. Pac-Man has a question for you, Paul.

Paul, what happened to Run Truth to Killings? Did he fall off? Where he been? What the fuck did you just say? Our truth. Where's our truth? Where's our truth? No, could I get a translator?

What did he say? Where's R-Truth? Have he fell off? Where is he at? We haven't seen him. He stunk somewhere. I don't know. He stunk somewhere?

You know, here's the thing about R-Truth. I would actually identify where R-Truth is, but most of the time, R-Truth doesn't know about R-Truth. I would actually identify where R-Truth is, but most of the time R-Truth doesn't know where R-Truth is. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you. Fastlane, Indianapolis, Indiana, October 7th. First premium live event in seven years. The name Fastlane, to Wise Man's point, ties into Indianapolis in a beautiful way.

And then this Friday, what's Roman going to do? He's got kicked in the mouth last week. Are we showing up? Your tribal chief is omnipresent in WWE, and we shall address the Usos, and we will also have

Solo with us at all times. Well, hey, you got to watch Solo. Seems like there's a chance, you know? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I know Rikishi's out there. What?

Huh? Doing one of these? You worried about Rikishi? Mr. McAfee, we eagerly are in anticipation of your return to SmackDown, sir. I need to get back in there. Paul, I need to get back in there. I fucking love that universe that you guys have created. You do, sir.

You do, sir. We miss you. And as for your greatness on commentary, your tribal chief and his wise man acknowledge you. Whoa. I appreciate you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest of all time, Paul Heyman.

Yeah! That's unbelievable. You can literally just point him in a direction. All right, Paul. Need something on music. He just cut a promo on his Instagram about Method Man wearing his goddamn I'm a Paul Heyman guy shirt. And then he had this full...

Method Man's doing RDLs, I do believe. Deadlifts. The Soviets did great. So they call them Russian, I do believe. So it's RDL. But he was doing deadlifts, I do believe. Deadlifts. The Soviets did create it, so they call them Russian, I do believe. So it's RDL. But he was doing deadlifts, I do believe. And he has an I'm a Paul Heyman guy shirt on. And then I'm like, oh, that's pretty sick. I open it.

The Instagram caption is like this long for Paul Heyman. Yeah, whole screen. Just telling a whole fucking story about ECW, music choices, what everything is. Wu-Tang Clan, obviously. It's like literally Paul Heyman's been around the wrestling business for so long. He snuck into these rooms, writers' rooms, as kids, acting like an 18-year-old. He was actually like 14 or something like that. Created his own dirt sheet.

He was basically covering wrestling. People thought he was like a 25-year-old, a 30-year-old. He was not at all. Then he got tied in with Dusty Rhodes, The American Dream. That's rest in peace. That's why whenever he said Cody just got by, I think he's actually known Cody since before Cody was even on this earth

because he's kind of been around there. So the people that you meet in the wrestling world, because everybody goes to a wrestling event. Musicians go to wrestling events. Athletes go to WWE events. All sports. Like everybody. Theater people go. Celebrities. Like, everybody. Theater people go.

Yep, celebrities. Like, everybody that comes into the wrestling world is just vast. So the amount of humans that Paul Heyman has either met, hung out with,

or had a good time, literally since he's like 15 fucking years old, very, very deep, you just point him in a direction. Normally he's going to be in a pretty good spot.

Yeah. Him saying he wishes Roman, dream book, himself. Yep. And then he wishes Roman dream book himself. Yep. And then cutting a full Michael Jordan reference in there and everything else. The guy's phenomenal.

He was always very nice to me as well. There was a couple of promos, you know, where I had some thoughts on what I was potentially going to say during the show. And I'd walk up to him and I'd be like, I just started like, I think I'm on a boom and then pow and then pang. And then he would just like sit there and he'd walk up to him and I'd be like, I just started like, I think I'm on a boom

and then pow and then pang. And then he would just like sit there and he'd go, how about, what if? And then he would ask a question and I'm like, oh, and he's like, yeah. I'm like, okay, okay. Should I say, shout out Paul Heyman? Whenever, as soon as I'm saying this,

he goes, no, no, they'll know someday. And that day's today. That day is today. Like Paul understood that. I think I'm not this, he goes, no, no, they'll know someday. And that day's today. That day is today. Paul understood that. I think I'm not the only one, obviously. He's like one of the wisest humans in the history of sport, of WWE and wrestling. And I was very thankful that I got to meet him, learn from him, hang out with him. But goddamn, the bloodline's in trouble right now.

It is. He doesn't even know it. No. I don't think he knows it. Dissension in the ranks. Not good. I did not expect him to turn that around with me when these two didn't stand for their track. It is. He doesn't even know it. No. I don't think he knows it. Dissension in the ranks. Not good. I did not expect him to turn that around on me when these two didn't stand for their traitors. We did.

That was the most Paul Heyman thing of all time. And then also, Seth was supposed to be on. He was. Yeah, what the hell happened there? I was actually pumped to talk to Seth. That's why I wore my fucking Iowa thing. I knew he'd be pumped about it. I'll be excited to find out what the fuck happened there too. Yeah. Hope he's okay. Like, shoot. I am legitimately wondering what happened there.

Get hurt. Now, because we all have such good knowledge of Paul Heyman and wrestling business, we can do that. Sure. Yeah, of course. Seth Rollins can be on the show. Freaking, sorry.

Seth freaking Rollins can be on the show and then all of a sudden Paul Heyman's face pops up and then we go for 20 minutes or so. Imagine if we weren't prepared there and all of a sudden we have the greatest speaker in the history of wrestling on the show, and we just fucking have no clue. We know it. We follow it.

Of course. We love it. We appreciate it. And I'm thankful for Paul Heyman joining us. I'm also thankful for some stuff happening around the NFL for us to talk about over the next few weeks, as there is really no water in the well of sport. as there is really no water in the well of sport. Jair Alexander, who is no stranger to talking shit,

has come out and spoke about what he thinks about Jordan Love, the new quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. And you can hear Packers Nation sigh a great sigh of relief about what's being said about him behind closed doors by teammates during OTAs in a chemistry-building time. How do you feel like your leadership has grown? QB won, man. Come on, man. Best QB in the league right here.

So, John, money. Tell him to stop trying, you know. Appreciate that, John. Love the rag, obviously, down low. I didn't know that was a look until now. Kind of like a teenage Ninja Turtle look. That's right. Looks pretty sweet.

Don't know how that hasn't happened beforehand, but I do love the fact that he's openly supporting Jordan Love. And I like the fact that Jordan seemingly really, I mean, with the head, he was right on. Good pocket presence. It was. It was pretty nice to kind of follow because Jay was kind of bouncing

back and forth a little bit. He kept his eyes on him, found him, and then he sticks up for his teammate. That's good news. All things coming out of Green Bay about Jordan Love are super positive. You have to love everything about this. Yeah, for sure. I think I'm finally – I mean, I was a couple weeks ago, but you have that grieving period where it's like, okay, Rogers is gone.

This team's going to look incredibly different. I hope they don't suck, but I don't know. And I'm kind of on the other side of that. Like, yeah, hearing all the stuff out of camp that he's looked great and his teammates love him, like that's awesome. Hey, his teammates love him is a big deal. For sure. If he stunk, teammates would not love him. Especially on the defensive side

of the ball. Absolutely. He must be throwing it pretty good. Exactly. I think now, as a Packers fan and a lot of Packers fans, the excitement going into the year was always like, hey, we're right there contending to win a Super Bowl because we have Rodgers and we have the offense. Now,'s kind of like the excitement of the unknown and just like

hoping like hey this could be another incredible run but like the the excitement is palpable like i'm very excited to watch him play this season i like that he's called jaw too we'll start doing that uh like we know him back to your point though if he sucked jaw wouldn't be signing up to get on camera to tell him that he's good. Oh, no, I doubt that. And he got big shoes to fill, man. I'd say. And Rodgers, the guy before that was good. He needed to be the guy.

But from my understanding and everything that we're seeing, he's had very good OTAs. And guys don't normally come out and speak about the quarterbacks if they're not fulfilling what the last quarterback did, knowing with everything that went on with Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers. So it sounds like everything going good. I've seen a couple clips.

Looked like he got a cannon on his arm. Yeah, could have. Clips look much better now than they did coming out, which is good. Sometimes you just need a little bit of work and need a little bit of growth. And I think Rappaport brought up about how whenever Patrick Mahomes is going to be the starter after one year of being benched behind Alex Smith to kind of groom and grow and everything like that, all the Chiefs are like, we got a guy.

You have no idea. We had a caller call in from Kansas City to our show and say, this guy's going to win the MVP next year. And we said, Alex Smith almost just won the fucking MVP. This guy's playing the best football he's ever played. And of course you're going to trade him away. Like that is Alex Smith's career, it seems like. And why would you start this guy who didn't even win in college?

Kansas City Chiefs fans were calling into our show. Everybody in the building was like, I was getting texts from people in the building like, hey, hey, hey, what that caller said. Chance. This guy is different. This guy is different. Now, he got to play against Denver, I do believe, last game of the season because Alex Smith and Andy Reid had done so well they had a bye,

had already guaranteed a number one overall seed, so they could rest their players in the last week, which was against Denver, and Patrick Mahomes came out and sliced and diced. But it wasn't just that game. In practice, against the defense, Patrick, I guess, was doing this shit that we see him now against the Chiefs defense, and they're like, we have no confidence going into games. Why is that?

Well, the quarterback playing against us is better than every quarterback that we're going to play against. So practice is harder, but also we're getting fucking cooked. Wednesday through fucking Saturday by this guy. So when he became the starter, it seemed to be very loud. I think with Aaron leaving, there was a little bit of hesitancy from everybody automatically going, hey, let's temper expectations a little bit. Pressure is already what it is on Jordan Love since the day he's been drafted.

So you didn't hear as many like, this guy's amazing. He's going to be amazing. So I think Joss saying this and everything else that we're learning has been very refreshing to hear. But also, I'm sure Jordan Love's like, hey, yeah, thank you. Thank you, people were saying like, hey, let's go do this. Because rap

was like a little different response to Jordan Love than it was to Patrick Mahomes. It's like, it's like well i think also much different situation than it was with patrick mahomes you're talking about aaron rogers been there for 18 years and alex smith who had been on a couple different teams no alex smith was a good quarterback but he was nowhere near like he's not a hall of fame automatically like no offense so i think it's been handled a little bit more delicately because the whole situation but i love seeing this type of shit and i think with like the tempering expectations like we talk about it all the time like if you're a steelers fan or you're a patriots fan like expectations are always going to be what they are like just because he's a first year

quarterback doesn't mean people are going to be okay with the packers winning five games this year but i was thinking about it and it was like you know just little things like turnovers like rogers has the best touchdown to interception ratio in the history of the nfl so like as a as a Packers fan, like, that's something you're probably going to have to eat a little bit more. Like, this guy's going to turn the ball over more than Rodgers did. And that's okay because – Other quarterbacks are the ballers. Exactly. Rodgers is Rodgers.

And I think that's just how I've started to frame it. It's like you can't go into the season looking at him and being like, okay, he needs to be Rodgers from the jump, which I think a lot of people will naturally do. But, like, that's not the case. And I've said – I said this, and it got me into a lot of shit one weekend. I said, like, has Goon Goons proven he's a good GM? I don't know. I don't know if he has.

I said that. I said, this is his thing. For sure. This is Goon Goons players. This is Goon Goons quarterback. If they go on to be great, Goon Goons is going to be talked about as being one of the greatest GMs of all time. If they don't, though, this is going to be what Goody's remembered for,

pushing Aaron Rodgers out of town for this new guy. So that pressure in of itself on Jordan Love, huge. Massive. Then if you were to add on, if everybody was to come out and talk, like Patrick Mahomes, hey, this guy's just as good, even better. This guy's going to be even better. It's like I feel like they're trying to make Jordan Love's life a little bit easier than it has been.

And it will. And I appreciate that. It's going to be a lot're trying to make Jordan Love's life a little bit easier than it has been. And it will. And I appreciate that. It's going to be a lot more easy. You know how it is, Pat, in the locker room. Once you can get the respect of the guys in the locker room, it makes everything so much easier. The way you carry your day, you know, you ain't walking around with your, looking

back over your shoulder. So, I think this is really good, man. If he can handle to do the same thing with live bullets. You know, it's a little different with live bullets. Yeah, there is a difference between some people, you know, on Thursday at the practice facility and Sunday in an actual game. But it feels like Jordan has been built for it. It seems like his mindset is ready for it.

And I'm kind of pumped to see how it all goes. I'm pumped to see if there are some struggles, what people do. I'm pumped to see if there are some struggles, what people do. I'm pumped to see if he's immediately great, what people do. There's going to be a thrusting of him being the next great one, too, if he gets going. And as a Green Bay Packers quarterback, you're going to sell out every single stadium you go to. For sure.

Every single week it's going to be pressure. Don't take time. I'm pumped to learn about this guy. Oh, yeah. Because we talk about the next generation of quarterbacks. You know, we talk about them all right now. There's a next generation that is fucking phenomenal in football. Imagine we add J-Lo into that thing.

And it's on the NFC side. Boom, which is great. Not for Jalen Hurts, who seemingly has the NFC on lock right now for the next 10, 15 years. If you think, I mean, Brock Purdy, I guess. Yeah, sure. Or Trey. Dak.

Dak's a good quarterback. Nobody talks about him. But they don't. They don't. Dak does not get talked about. I mean, he played 13 games. He led the league in interceptions. Yeah.

Tell him more. He wants to get back there and sling it out. He wants to like the scoreboard. I know what he wants to do. So he's going to run the ball a little bit more. Go ahead, Connor. Well, with the Packers, real quick, like the NFC North, I don't know if you can pick a team and be like, hey,

they're definitely going to win the division. Wide open. It is. Look at the Vikings. Foxes and wide open. I've been here for 28 years. I've done this for 28 years. We are the favorites, but that doesn't mean shit. That was awesome. That was the first time in Foxy's

fanhood with a microphone in front of him's career that that statement was said. And he could have been in there. It's not wide open. That's right. It's a Detroit Lions. Brand new line. Instead, Foxy was like, no, no, no, no.

And trust me, I do believe this team. I think they'll make the playoffs, and I think actually that we'll go 10-7 and win a playoff game this year. I really believe that. So this sounds so stupid, but my entire life as a Lions fan, and I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, I haven't gave a fuck about the NFC North because I never expected to win the NFC North

with Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre in there. So for me, I just want that wild card spot and to win a playoff game. I felt like that's the only way the Lions were going to do it, and I kind of still feel that way. Yes, I want them to win division. Don't get crazy. But really, I just want to win a playoff game.

So, like, that was a compliment to Brett. Brett, that was a compliment. Yeah. Brett, that was a compliment. Yeah. Okay. It was. That was a compliment. It's miniature. Okay, yeah.

The way you said it was proper. Like, you said his name. Yeah. Chris Paul yesterday complimented him as well. He did. Just so we're fucking on the record clear. Mm-hmm. Okay?

A lot of compliments, old BF. Great golf ball whacker. Great. Mm-hmm. You think he's still swinging a stick? I mean, if his forearms are half the size of what they were in the Bahamas, yeah, I think he's still swinging a stick i mean if his forearms are half the size of what they were in the bahamas yeah i think he is i would assume he's still hitting balls yeah i do think that like it's a little inside baseball here i think he was potentially out on his land

in mississippi yep sure okay after everything was going on hitting golf balls throwing football around fly fishing for a couple months, probably. Then he came back and they're like, hey, by the way, that whole thing just happened, and everybody knows about it. He's like, oh, fuck. Goes back out there. Yep. I'm gonna go hit some more golf balls. Yeah, right. He comes back like two months

later. They show him a clip from our show. I thought we knew those guys. Show him Shannon Trump. He's like, I played with this guy's brother. And then show him another thing. Do you want us to? Yeah. And then he fucking goes right back.

I'm going to go hit some more balls. Get it done. We don't know if that's true. No. We don't know if that's true. But as I was trying to piece the whole thing together, I was just thinking to myself, do you think he didn't? I don't know.

I'm not 100% sure. I did see that Shannon Sharpe said he's getting back on TVs in the morning soon. Yeah, that's right. So you start going through who has morning TV spots open. So I guess anybody if Shannon Sharpe's available has an opening. He could move somebody. He's not taking Zubin's spot. That's real early.

I don't know. There's no way he's signing up for 6A. Just looking at the 10 o'clock. I feel like the only one that at least I have seen publicly make a statement for him to come on is Stephen A. I don't know, but the old show was early, too. They did that shit at 5.30 a.m. L.A., yeah. Oh, I didn't even think about that.

Wait, not undisputed. Yeah, but East Coast, it's not. So, like, Zubin's spot, is he still doing the? 6 a.m.? 6 to 10, right? In that ESPN right now? Yeah, but that's Kellerman, Keyshawn, and Daniel. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I think East Coast, 6 a.m. would be a waste of Shannon Sharp.

Yeah. Not enough people would. No, yeah, he needs to be closer to when people are actually starting their day. 10 would be. So like if he's on there with Stephen A., we're all very. And he publicly. We would be very pumped about be. So, like, if he's on there with Stephen A., we're all very. And he publicly. We would be very pumped about that. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think we would. I want that to happen. And I understand, like, the parade of people that go through first take is cool. If you got Shannon Sharp, though. Correct. He is a parade.

Yeah. You know what I mean? He is. And you can still bring other people in. And Shannon's interviewing skills with Club Shea Shea are great. Stephen A's interviews, great. I mean, that's a powerhouse team. Now, does Shannon deserve his own show?

Yes. We all feel that way. But he's saying he's getting back on TVs in the morning soon. That gets me pretty excited because Fox is the Craig Carton show, I guess? Yeah. What else? I mean, I guess CBS Sports, which we have on here, I'm sure they would be more than happy to be like all right we're done they would have to give it like a

messy deal i think for for sure right sure they're not giving percentage of cbs at jim rome deal now i heard cbs is in on jj watt they are yeah for the uh the pregame show on sundays as somebody that went through this whole thing with uh with the same with the same exact people not everything you read is accurate there was some clear clearly false statements being made by marshawn in the post about the negotiation that i was going through but there was also how the fuck this guy get this information in the area yeah you know so like there was a lot the way marshawn operates i don't know who he has how he has it but he does have some of his information is on very on and it's like wow alarmingly close to what's actually happening here in me and only like three other people know this information so marshawn's plugged in and i start trying to piece together

who is potentially telling marshawn just strictly because just like we tried to do with i because, just like we tried to do with Ian, just like we tried to do with Schefter, it's like, congrats on the plug, whatever it is. And then there was some stuff that he was saying that was just like, not even close. Help me through the immensely. Love to see it being written down. Loved everything he was saying for some things, but they were way off.

So you don't know what is on and what is off, but J.J. Watt allegedly has numerous suitors and he's trying to figure out what he's up to cbs would be for the kickoff show yeah and they said i think a big part of it is because they have the super bowl this year that they want to maximize him doing that and then he would be part of the super bowl coverage but he was the one that said too like i'm not doing full time like i i want to basically you know work when I want to work. Well, when you've made a couple hundred million dollars and you're already in the

Hall of Fame, just had a baby, got a family growing, God bless you, Zeke. The whole thing about it, be who you can afford to be, is about the exact moment that J.J. Watt has right now. Yeah, exactly. And he's crushing it, too. Do whatever the hell you want. Keep it going. We appreciate the hell out of moment that J.J. Wan has right now. Yeah, exactly. And he's crushing it, too. Do whatever the hell you want. Keep it going.

We appreciate the hell out of you, J.J. No one might be open for Shannon. Isn't NBC, isn't one of their slots in the morning opening up now? They don't really have a morning sports presence, though. There's this local news in the morning. Well, pro football talk. Aren't they on? They're on what, Peacock?

That's Peacock, yeah. Oh, okay. Because they also have USA. And they have NBC. And they use USA as almost like a pseudo sports network in between Keeping Up with the Chrisleys, Monday Night Raw. Burn Notice.

Law and Order. Suits. Monk Suits. Suits. And then there's sports in there as well. And then they just, I think their president just went to become the athletic director for Notre Dame. Notre Dame, yeah.

Pete Bavacqua, who I guess we can say it now. It doesn't matter. Pete Bavacqua was in the Thunderdome. Yes, he was. He can spin a fucking football. Oh, yeah. He can fire it. Pete Bavacqua can spin a fucking big skin.

Accurately. He was the best throwing suit I've ever seen, certainly in this Thunderdome. And he was a walk-on punter at Notre Dame back in the day. Okay. So then he became, he was at the Golf Channel, and then he became the NBC Sports president. Then the NBC Summit Comcast stepped down pretty high up because some shit came out like a month and a half ago.

Oh, yeah. Two months ago. Then Pete Bavacqua just recently, within two weeks ago, steps out to go be the athletic director at Notre Dame, his alma mater, where he was a football player. That was a piece of information, I think, that surprised a lot of people. Yeah. Just out of nowhere, you know, like, well,

that had to be taking place for a pretty good time there. He's good. I'm a big fan of old Pete Bavacqua. That's a good gig. He was always very straight up with us. He seemed to be clear-minded, knew what he wanted, knew what the future looked like. The NBC team that kind of came out and chatted with us numerous times,

good people. Great people. But Pete, now the AD for Notre Dame, can spin the pigskin. But I don't know what the NBC lineup looks like. I am – that was always a big question of mine. But let's get to a break. Seems like all-Rose Lee DSPN, kind of. Does, doesn't it?

I mean, just when you look at the landscape of everything else, like that by far makes the most sense. Especially if you see what ESPN's allowing Stephen A to do with his podcast. Yeah. So with Club Shay-Shay, you're able to do, I mean, that would be. Yeah. Hey. They're even running, because Stephen A owns the Stephen A Smith Show.

Yep. Formerly No Mercy. Now it's Stephen A Smith Show. Formerly No Mercy. Now it's Stephen A Smith Show. Smart move. We're all big fans of that. Because you've got to have some mercy. Exactly. Every once in a while.

They're letting him run. He's running logo graphics across the bottom for the Stephen A Smith Show YouTube whenever it's happened. That's a great promotion for something he owns. That's a good deal between Stephen A and ESPN, who obviously is indebted to Stephen A. for his services. But Stephen A. builds that thing up, then he sells. That's his.

Shannon builds up a club, Shea Shea, then he sells. It's a little different whenever you're renting an apartment inside of a building or building your own building. The prices are a little bit different in conversation. And joining us live from Manatee, Ohio, is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion. What? He is currently the champion of Ohio, which means you've got to call him Mr. President of Ohio, A.J. Hawk.

He's a father of 10, a COVID survivor. Ladies and gentlemen, the all-time leading tackler for Jordan Love's Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hawk. Yeah! A.J., how you doing, pal? I'm good. How you guys doing? You know, not bad. We're reminiscing about the Chris Paul conversation that we had yesterday before we got on the air. Somebody commented on Instagram that that was Jerry Rice-A-Roney levels of uncomfortable. I don't think it's that bad.

Did you? Uncomfortable? What was uncomfortable? I had a good time with it. Yeah, that was sweet. But I did see a couple of those comments out there. What were your thoughts on it, AJ? You know, Chris Paul sliding in there yesterday talking about his book 61. I mean, it's weird timing for him. He has a book come out as he's flying to what do Strahan's show, The Morning. Is that Good Morning America? Today's show.

Oh, I thought it was Good Morning America. Today's show. Okay, yeah. GMA. It was Good Morning America. GMA on ABC. word. GMA. It was Good Morning America. It was Good Morning America. Good Morning America. GMA on ABC. Boom. Of course. That's why he was at the Disney upfront.

There it is. Okay. Boom. Boom. Boom. Australian's unbelievable. Yeah, he is. But you're right.

It's kind of a weird thing. His son told him about it. Well, weird Tommy, though. And also, I understand. It's probably kind of weird to do a bunch of publicity for a book that just came out. But also, at the same time, if somebody was a master marketer, they would have done this on purpose. Hey, let's try to get traded the same day our book comes out. Get a good pub.

We go out there. We sell a ton of books. That could happen as well. I thought about it last night because it did not go how I would have hoped. A lot of these conversations, as I'm having them, I'm like, it's pretty good. I'm excited to see where we go. Some of them, I'm like, yeah, bingo. Paul Heyman said there's people that say,

I'm going to be a better president than Abraham Lincoln. You aren't. That was a great line. But as I'm in the middle of it, I'm like, I feel like we've gotten some good shit out of this. I feel like I've learned a lot out of this. I feel like I've gotten better out of this. I assume our viewers and listeners are feeling the same exact way. I take great pride in it.

That's my job now. You know, this is what I do. Yesterday, I just felt like I could never get out of stable. You know what I mean? I could never really get the horse onto the track. So, it was a little bit of a difficult thing. But last night, I was doing a little self-scout. It was there.

Now, granted, we didn't know he was coming on until very late. It was scheduled to be a different time. We had an opening because something else happened. He had an opening. We just kind of made it take place at be a different time. We had an opening because something else happened. He had an opening. We just kind of made it take place at the same exact time. Here we go. Let's do that. Should have asked him, is there any lessons that your pop taught you

that can maybe help you handle being cut or traded from a team in the middle of a book run? Yeah. That would have been good. That's what I should have fucking asked. Yeah, that would have been good. And normally, I want to let everybody know, normally, and it's part of me being a sellout, and on decline, once you hit your apex,

it's kind of all over. Paul Heyman said that about Roman. Normally, you would have thought of that in the middle of that thing. I was flustered. I did not. So last night, there was a lot of self-scout. We will let you know that something like that

will never happen again. Ain't that right, AJ? That will never fucking happen again. Never. Self-scout is key. You're right. We all have to self-scout. Amen.

I can't watch me a lot. Every once in a while, I'll watch a video that we put out, like at night at the house. The one from last week. Bingo. Yeah, the meat-smoking one. Had to watch it. Because it was getting a lot of action. So I had to see it.

Check, yeah. Every once in a while, a video will go on Twitter, and I'm like, whoa, how did we exactly? And I'll listen it back, and I'm like, Jesus, what a fucking doofus. Me. I'm talking about me. So every once in a while, I'll have to watch something that we did. I try to stay away from it. The wife hears me talk too much anyways. She doesn't need me in the room and my phone

doing the same thing. But every once in a while, I need to hear what the fuck is going. How did we lay this whole thing out? Because we're in here, guns a-blazin'. Watch a couple of the Chris Paul clips. Hey, Talk put together a good clip. Yeah, he did.

Talk put together a good clip. I was actually kind of shocked that that went up. I was like, oh, okay. So there was a couple of things that I watched. I'm like, yeah, so everything I was feeling was exactly what I think. And then I watched Talk's clip that he put together. And I was like, good. Hell yeah. Then I went to Talks clip that he put together, and I was like, good. Hell yeah.

Then I went to bed about 1 o'clock, woke up, you know, baby, this morning. We're off and running. Let's talk about some things happening around the NFL. We were just talking about this as we ended the last hour, so the audience is obviously going to get a little double dose of this particular convo, but we thought it was a big deal. Pac-Man, myself, obviously everybody else. But in that locker room, whenever you've got teammates trying to get on camera to talk about how good you are publicly,

especially if this is your first time starting, and you're in place of a guy who's going to be a Mount Rushmore player of the league, would Jair Alexander, call him Ja. Ja. Call him Ja. Ja Money, I think I heard, too. Veni, Veni, Vecchi. Shout out, you know.

It's murder. Ja said, over Jordan Love, his QB Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny,

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Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, trying to get on camera to compliment him means things have to be going well in green bay i think

kj yeah they're offering like their praise it's one thing if the media is talking to them at their locker and they say hey so what do you think about jordan love what kind of progress has he made how good is he and they say oh he looks great he's doing everything right but when they take it upon themselves to tell the media and to tell people publicly how good somebody is i think that's a good thing because it's like john, hey, that's on record. If Jordan Love is garbage, you were sitting there saying he's QB1, you could always say, hey, you know, I'm always going to be with my guy. But it seems like they truly believe it.

Yeah, John's not going to go out of his way to say something. I'm not saying they believe that Jordan Love is better than Aaron Rodgers. No, they're not saying that. But they're saying, hey, we got a guy. This guy. Of course. Listen, we understand that whole aspect of it wouldn't be believable yeah that would like legitimately wouldn't so on this

because we just don't know nobody knows yeah exactly anything could be fuck no idea that's possible we have no clue what could happen with jordan love but sometimes on this show you know like uh we'll start taking we'll start exploring the space of reality yeah to. You know, and the boys will start exaggerating some things. Well. And then every once in a while, one person just says something that like makes me go, oh, you're lying right now. See?

You see? You took it too far. It wasn't in the believable. A little too much. It wasn't in the believable thing. I just found out that you all were kind of coercing against me to lie to make me feel a certain way. Him coming out and saying best quarterback in the league,

I didn't feel like that, though. No. I felt like Ja was like, hey, this guy's really fucking good. Good news for the Packers. AJ, do you feel a little... I was thinking about this last night, too, as I couldn't sleep because of how everything went yesterday. And I'll read that book.

Yeah. Yeah, you will. First one, you will. You told him you'd listen to it, actually. Which is me listening to somebody else's Reddit. Did he read it? You know what I mean? He's definitely not going to read it.

Yeah, there's no chance I'm going to read that thing. Still a good book. I'm going to listen to somebody else's description. This has been happening since fucking fourth grade. It ain't never going to stop. And I probably knew that I could probably host a talk show very young, whenever I had to go give a book presentation on a chapter that I did not read, but I was certainly told about in about a two-minute period from good friend,

good compadre, good pal, probably CFO Phil, to be honest with you. Hey, what happened in last night's chapter? Boom, bang, pal. Thank you. Pat, will you please come up and do it? You got it. Absolutely. Boom, I am out there doing it.

So that'll happen with Chris Paul's book. But I thought about you, and I thought about a lot of the old, you know, the T.J. Langs and the guys that are, you know, John Kuhn, who obviously works for the team. It's like you guys are very tight with Aaron in that era pretty much of the Packers and I know the Packers is one of the most established teams in the history of sports let alone in the NFL and Curly Lambeau did a hell of a job kind of setting this entire thing on on the right trajectory in that beautiful town of Green Bay but do you guys feel a sense of like

this is a different Packers now like like a different era, different run? Do you feel a little more separated to the Packers than maybe you were at one point whenever the guy who was quarterback when you were there was still there? That's a real question. Absolutely, yeah. I think that's definitely something that I felt like once Aaron said publicly that he wants to go to the Jets and then once it was official

and he did go to the Jets and, hey, here we go, Jordan Love, I think I came on here and I instantly started asking, what does that facility feel like every morning going into OTAs? It would just be a different feel. It really would. Even though Aaron wasn't there a bunch during OTAs anyway later on, it still is a different feeling knowing he's not our quarterback. We have a new guy stepping in when he's been –

how many years did Aaron start there? 16? I don't know. 16, 17? Yeah. Like it's just – yeah, it is a different era. It's definitely a different era there for sure. 25 years, 30 years.

See, that's what we would do. Yeah. That would be the taking it too far. Yep. Not believing it. 30, 35. Those first 15 to 20, anybody would have said, been like, yeah. Even like 23.

Yeah, well, maybe. Sure. Fuck, it's a long time. Yeah, it makes sense. It seems like really long. Great hair. I'm talking about you, though, specifically, it's a long time. That makes sense. That seems like really long. Great hair. I'm talking about you, though, specifically, and like the alumni to the Packers.

And you say we, what's the building feel like? I don't know if you're referring to as like alumni of Packers or if you're talking about in-building of Packers, but I'm talking about you specifically. All-time leading tackler for the team. Big deal. You know what I mean? Do you still feel?

Yeah, I mean, it's been a while since I was there, obviously, but having Aaron there definitely gave me like a – he felt like a connection to the team because he's the guy running the show. He's the quarterback. Now, there's definitely other people still around, not many players that were there when I was. Of course. But coaches, like not even coaches.

Coaches are all pretty much gone that were there when I was. But it's like we talk about trainers, equipment people. Those are the people that kind of keep me connected, I feel like. So that's who I talk to with the Colts as well. Now, granted, I had to pay a lot of money to have a suite in the stadium. And I watched the game. And we cover the NFL. And we're in Indianapolis.

And naturally, we're going to have a connection to the Colts. But it's like all the coaches and players, whenever I was there, aside from a couple, are no longer there. But I still feel a little bit of a connection to the building. I'm saying, do you feel like you lost your connection to the building? No, doesn't feel like it. No, I didn't lose my connection to the building, but no, it definitely feels like it will,

maybe when the season comes, I'll feel more removed from the team when I'm watching them play. So like at West Virginia, for instance, they kind of wanted our era to fucking, you know. Similar to the Colts. They go to the Big 12. There's no way, though. Why? Because they went to fucking, you know. Similar to the Colts. They go to the Big 12. Why?

There's no way, though. Why? Because they went to the Big 12. We were in the Big East. Big East. You know, it was a new AD, new. Does anybody care about what you're in? In real life?

In real life, no. But, like, whenever you're talking about egos and legacies and everything like that, they wanted our, the people that were in charge then are going to say, that's not the case. You guys put them on the map. You guys put West Virginia on the map, that era. We know. We know. Yeah.

We very much understand that. They don't. We saw the place whenever we got there, when I got there. I couldn't even imagine when Pat got there three years earlier. We saw the place and what it is now because of some things that happened. But it was very apparent, and not by the way they treated me. Fuck, I was just the kicker, punter, all-time leading scorer at the school all-american a couple times i did miss two kicks in the first quarter i guess but yeah you fucking get it through sports two

different positions all-american whatever fuck off uh no no big deal but the other players there i was lucky to be teammates with actually did all that shit you know i just got to ride coattails kick a lot of extra points and kind of maybe flip the field every once in a while if they weren't able to get a first down, which was very rare. So I'm not saying I was a part of it, but the way our guys were treated, like Steve, Pat, Owen, Darius, Reed, you name it.

Just like all the guys that were at the top, it wasn't like a, hey, we need you back in the building. It was almost like, hey, we're going in a different direction. And then whenever they're putting posters up around the stadium, it was like the big posters were the new stars, the big 12 guys. And like Pat and Steve basically weren't even kind of seen in it all because they wanted to kind of redo their entire like, hey, we did this,

you know, as opposed to living in the past all the time, which makes no sense in reality, in real life. But decisions were made. That was the outcome. And now we're kind of all getting back together let's let's make this whole thing good again which is good we're kind of figuring but at the colts new gm what new coach they fucking painted over the wall in the building why painted over the the mural of all the unitas got his face fucking. Yeah, that's nuts. You know what I mean?

Like that happened whenever the new GM and new coach came in and it was like, this is a whole new team, whole new vision. It's like, yo, a lot of great history here.

I just hope that the Green Bay Packers don't do this. Is what I'm kind of iterating on. Like, yo, just because Aaron left and we are obviously fans and we would hope at this stage good friends of Aaron Rodgers, would like the Packers legends to still feel, you know what I mean? Like you, for instance.

This guy's the all-time leading tackler for the fucking team. Would like you to still feel connected, I think. And it doesn't always happen. Yeah, connected and appreciated. Yeah, I think the teams, I don't get it because the guys before had to build up something to get where we're at. You get what I'm saying? I will say this. Cincinnati does a great

job of putting players up so you can remember, oh yeah, this dude here was the all-time punt return record, Adam Jones. Then they got all the Pro Bowls and stuff up. But like you said, a big thing is the trainers because the trainer and equipment people pretty much are going to be there for a long time.

So I always keep in contact with those guys. But I think as a big organization, they need to do better of honoring. I think a lot of places do. It's like any place of work. If somebody was to accomplish great things there or do something for your business, you would hope that when that person comes back, is welcomed into the business.

Now, not other businesses, and I know professional sports are vastly different than sales or anything else that could happen. There's turnover at the top, though, more often. Now, the great places don't have that happen, and we'll dive into that here in about 35 seconds as we finish this thought here. But, like, I just hope that you guys are all still welcome back

even though this has become a pretty public thing because I've seen it at other places, and it's not cool. You know, it's like not a cool thing. I hope you all get to a game. I hope the Packers organization remains in contact with all the ex-greats because you guys have done fantastic things.

And we're just now learning that you could not beat the curse of not having a parade after winning the Super Bowl. So there's nothing you guys could have done any better. Your arrow was great. Aaron's arrow was fantastic. Now we move into the next one. Let's go shake their hunts. Speaking of teams that are like a college

and kind of have an open-door policy to any ex-greats that were a part of their program, actually welcomed, wanted, and appreciated back in the building, in the NFL, not normal at all. City that I'm from, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The Steelers have always operated that way, and it's because there hasn't been as much turnover at the top. Mike Tomlin, Bill Cowher, last two coaches, 50 fucking years pretty much. So whenever you have the same coaches at the top, people probably feel a lot more welcome. But the Roonies have always been that way.

It's almost, you know, everybody says once a this, always a this. The Steelers feel like they actually believe that. They're very much like a college organization. And TJ Watt caught up with Ben Roethlisberger who not only has a sweep, but is now almost all the way back in the building, which I think every Pittsburgh

Steelers fan is happy about. That is not normal. You don't just see ex-players back in and around the building. Because sometimes, guys, once they get forced out of the NFL, it's the first time they've been told they're not good enough. And they get a little jaded towards the sport as a whole. Like, fuck football. They don't want me. I don't want them. And all that stuff. But TJ and Ben have a great relationship.

Just like Kiesel and TJ have a great relationship. Just like everybody who's ever played in the past has played for the Steelers, has become friends with each other. It's a beautiful setup as opposed to what I was describing. TJ and Ben having a couple beers, chit-chatting about life was fantastic. We got this moment about Renegade, one of the greatest traditions in the NFL and how TJ feels about it. It's a mixed bag out there when Renegade comes on.

Yeah. How are you? Do you love it? Does it get you going? It's not mixed. I like Renegade. I mean, the fans love Renegade. Which gets you fired up, right?

But the problem is there was a stretch there where Renegade was being played, and we were not backing it up. I know, that's what my point is. I remember seeing Brad Kiesel one time when it comes on, just like, Brad's not the song, bud. It never really hit me until I went home after a game one day, and my dad was like, I told them to stop playing Renegade. After they play Renegade, they run it right down your throat.ats i was like i never thought about it and then it was like there

are those stretches where it's like damn like we need to back this up yeah it's never like i hate this song's coming on because it means it's a huge moment and the fans love it so it gets you going right it's unbelievable does it put that level of expectation on you because you guys are always trying i mean it's not like you're trying to. It's just like it's already a huge moment. Yeah, it's just extra. But I don't know. I mean, if it gets the fans loud and it creates havoc for the offense, I'm all for it.

Yeah. It's always funny when the Ravens, they tried. I know Harbaugh did. He tried to, like, do it in practice, and he would, like, play it in practice and tell the guys, like, you get hyped during it. Like, no, we're hyped about this. Half of us are. Okay, so they're doing flights of beer. Shout out. Take a little shot of beer.

Who knows what IPA is they're drinking down there in Ben's basement in football. It's a great podcast. We're happy that Ben Roethlisberger is as open as he is and as good as he is at podcasting. Hope he continues to do that. We need to have you on this show at some point, Ben. Come on, Ben.

And we'd love to go get drunk in your basement ben okay so there's two things we need obviously to make happen but i think we got a little glimpse into the locker room there aj whenever you said who doesn't like it it's not once it sounds like the locker room's like we're fucking done with this shit so he he said he was talking to kiesel and kiesel's like oh no here we go it's like not the song it's actually you guys sounds like Ben doesn't love it either. Yeah. If you kind of heard him at the end, there was a couple comments. And then you hear TJ getting buried by his fucking dad in that whole thing. Whenever we hear about these moments in that one.

It's awesome to be there. I mean, it is awesome to be there yeah and yinzer fucks do love it and it's going in the fourth quarter obviously late in the fourth quarter so everybody's been boozed up last call has already been called and has not been heard by anybody because they're still on the call before or the call before in which they double stock the ic lights into the fourth quarter because it matters. So it's a beautiful moment that the players are like, oh, come on, can we maybe keep it down? What are your thoughts on that take from TJ? And what do you think about those stadium traditions,

how fans view something, and how players seemingly view it vastly different, AJ? Yeah, it usually is different between what the players think and what the fans think. I assumed Renegade the players did like because I had no idea Renegade was a thing. I loved the song always, but then the first time I played in Pittsburgh, that came on. I remember looking like, this is awesome, man. This is sweet. And it felt like everybody was into it.

It reminded me a little bit the first time I ever saw Jump Around be played at Camp Randall, Wisconsin, my freshman year. We were juiced. We had no idea what was going on. The whole place starts bouncing. And I remember our coaches being like, use this. This is energy. You need to use this. And we're like, yeah.

And we found a way to win like 10 to 7 like we won every game. Something like that. Good, Pac. Every time we play Pittsburgh on Monday when we go into the team meeting room, Coach Lewis will have that song playing with the crowd and let everybody know, like, this is what type of week it's going to be this week. And it sounds like it's yours. I like the song.

Yeah, it's a great song. Especially when we was up, I'm like, yes, play this motherfucker. Well, I think that's what TJ and Ben and Kiesel and everybody's talking about. How do you feel about your stars pretty much saying, maybe we... We're tired. Renegades. That's just absolutely never going to happen. But it was kind of cool to hear TJ kind of realize that

because there was a time, and the fans, trust me, the fans fucking knew it too, that when Renegade was going to come on, there was a streak there of a couple in a row where Renegade can't come on and they didn't get a stop. Then luckily, you know, either Ben or Kenny would come back and have a comeback drive. But no,

I mean, Renegade is, it's, that's not going anywhere. Maybe they were saying like, let's save it for like the right time. Yeah. You know,

we're just doing it every game. They always play it like after a score. And if it's a one score game, the defense like needs to stop, which recently I feel like in the last five, six years, is every single fucking game. Unfortunately, it's always close. But, yeah, I mean, that's – I love it.

I hope it goes down. Well, it's like a bat signal for the other team. They hear Renegade, they're like, all right. I don't know how you guys have been playing on these last few drives, but they're playing Renegade. We're about to get their best. So you better go out there. Maybe they run a couple trick plays.

Maybe they do a little play action because they know the D-line is going to be all hopped up on Renegade. So everybody doesn't react the same way to those types of situations. The reason why A.J. Hawk's coaches had to say, hey, use this. Hey, use this. Is because there's some guys who are probably scared to death when that started happening. Oh, my God.

Okay. And especially if the coach built it up, too. Like Pac said, if the coach built it up leading up to that game and say you're down a little bit, someone that's young or someone that doesn't have experience or isn't really sure, like that might freak him out a little bit. Like, oh, no, we're losing momentum with this game. Start getting a little wide-eyed. Oh, there's a lot of people a lot of people in here oh

man they all want they all want us to lose itself oh no i think home field advantage is a real thing you know i i thoroughly believe in that now granted i've always enjoyed every sport i've ever played because i think i'm from pittsburgh so there's probably a reason why i love more people if we can get more motherfuckers in here, louder, chirpier, the better. That's how I view it. Going to Baltimore to play against the Ravens, they are some of the

most underrated fans I think in the entire NFL, but they say shit. They are chirping you personally. They are cities. They're cities that do that, that I'm a big fan of. But there are some people that, you know, and he was talking about it with Jordan Love.

And this is not a knock on Jordan Love because we saw him against Philadelphia Eagles who ended up going to the Super Bowl, throwing an absolute dart to a guy who's really fast. And it was a touchdown. And he coolly put his chin strap off. I mean, he looked very awesome. There's a difference, though difference between Thursday at Green Bay to, you know, and Philly

is another place that's very hard to play. It's like sometimes people are very good whenever there's nobody watching. And then all of a sudden something happens. There's a mental block when people start watching you go. That's why Renegade, I think, is kind of a weapon for Pittsburgh. But some of the players

on the team are like, oh no. They get the wide eye. Oh no. The other team's going to be jacked up. It's kind of a big deal, isn't it? They realize where they are. They realize the situation, the magnitude of it. Oh my God, we're up two. Holy shit.

A minute 30 left. Boys, we can't give up a yard. I didn't even think about it. I was just going on next drive, next play, head down, blinders. Just need to be in the moment. Oh, mama. What's the score? Oh, my God.

We can't give up anything right now. Holy fuck. You start telling. Hey, did you see? Do you know? They all know the words. Oh, shit. They got two timeouts. You start telling... Hey, did you see? Do you know? They all know the words. Oh, shit. They got two timeouts.

You hear that? We are only up to... They only need to move ball 25. Why are they playing? Did you know? This got real. Oh, no. All right, let's buckle it up, boys.

And now you go out there, right down the fucking throat. It is over. All of a sudden, the only thing you remember from that terrible moment is the fact that Renegade played. And the next thing I know, we give up 40 yards, they kick a field goal, we lose. According to researchers at Point Park University, great university down there at the point in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, after Renegade has played, the Steelers maintained a lead in 33 games,

which is 61%, and came from behind to win or tie in six games, 11% of the time. They lost the lead in eight games, 14%. And continued losing in seven games, 13%. Opposing teams were seven times more likely to fumble on the very next play or 7% of the time. Here we go. Okay, so maybe Renegade won't play it more. That's from 2014 to 2021. Maybe we need a first half Renegade, so maybe Renegade won't. That alone is enough to play it right there. Play it more. That's from 2014 to 2021.

Maybe we need a first half Renegade, second half Renegade. And if we get to overtime, let's fucking go ahead. We need a fumble. We need another possession. Brett Michaels singing Renegade? I don't know if it's ever happened or not, but there's definitely been times where we're at a stadium where the fans are calling for a second Renegade.

Oh, really? Yeah. But that's also a fan base that if you feed them Renegade. Oh, yeah. They'll eat Renegade. Yeah, it's going to get stir crazy. There's probably an adult, sober adult that works for the Steelers that has to make that decision. And his friends and family, whenever there are gatherings,

hey, Jagoff, why don't you fucking give us another Renegade? You know, last week it was, no. How many times are we going to run? We do more than one Renegade one game. We're going to have to do it three times next time. Somebody's got to be the sober yinzer in the building. That is me. That decision is being made by somebody, as you all are yelling at him.

A lot of that study, too, was also when it was the killer bees and the offense was top five and the defense, the secondary, was a bottom five secondary. They let up a lot of points after Reddington. Let's stay in Pittsburgh. Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator who has an incredible resume. Oh, yeah. Sure.

Right? I mean, I wouldn't say that. No, let's do his resume. He does. What was his resume? Tony Diggs, but. No, let's do his resume. He does. What was his resume? Turned Diggs diehard Pittsburgh. He was in Pitt. It was okay there, I guess.

And then he went to LSU with a bunch of talent and made their offense way worse. Why? And then he came in here. Easy. What was that? And, you know, wasn't great here either. He hasn't been good, though, yeah. He didn't make LSU worse.

No, but he's the offense coordinator in the NFL. You don't just follow that. Is he still there, though? How is he still there, Diggs? You say this back. Connor and I were actually talking about this morning. Why was the defensive coordinator and the offense coordinator the Patriots last year? Why is Matt Cannon still the OC for the Steelers?

Well, I think Matt Cannon is the OC for the Steelers still because he said this a couple days ago about Kenny Pickett's development and what the Pittsburgh Steelers will look like this year as opposed to the offense that was tough to watch last year and not good last year. Offense coordinator Matt Canada. Kenny's had a good spring. Obviously, every day he's up and down. He's a great quarterback.

Coach Thomas says it the best, right? It's football like not football. I think he's improving. He's seeing things, playing fast, getting some timing with the guys. That guy's a beast. That's what you need to do as you become a starter, which is what last year he was learning,

and we had obviously different situations. I think Kenny's had a very good spring. He's excited about where he is. How much more is he ready to take on from last year? How on, Don? How much more? Is that Kamboli? He's extremely intelligent.

A lot of that always falls to the quarterback, right? That's the easy way to look. And he was a rookie, and there's some things there. But how much more is the offense? Kind of looks like Big Ben. Like I mentioned, we're better up front, more experienced up front. Two years ago, we started a bunch of rookies. Looks like a jacket.

I think as an offense as a whole, you're going to see a lot of things expanding because the ability and the knowledge and the experience they've all gained. So McKinney fits into that. Yesterday we talked to Najee. He said it took a while for you guys to establish an identity last year within the offense. How do you work on establishing that in a more rapid fashion, and what do you think this identity of the offense could be this year?

I think our identity was pretty clear the last nine games. We ran the ball really well. We were physical. You saw who we drafted, who we acquired. I don't think there's any question of what our identity is going to be. We want to run really well. We were physical. You saw who we drafted, who we acquired. I don't think there's any question of what our identity is going to be. I think we want to run the football. We want to be physical. We want to be a good team that throws the ball down the field,

take advantage of what the defense gives us. So I think our identity has been well known and well stated where we're at. Well, the identity publicly there, Coach Canada, I don't mean to tell you, is one that's just abysmal and stinks. But I did remember at the end of last year, whenever the Baltimore Ravens game, more specifically, and some others where Kenny Pickett and the offense did look great. They have been blamed with being

way too dull. There was no hot reads for Kenny Pickett last year. Then it came out of the information that Kenny Pickett was actually in the coaches' planning meetings on Monday with Tomlin and Canada. So how slow were they trying to ease him into everything? And then he gives that answer about how, well, if you look at our whole team, I mean, offensive linemen, how many rookies we started a couple years ago

versus where we are now and everybody else. It'll obviously be much more dynamic as everybody grows, and Kenny kind of falls into that. He's doing his thing like a college almost as opposed to like, hey, careers might be just this fucking year. I appreciate the patience that they've had, but that's not normally how NFL teams are going, yeah, well, where our offense is now after three

years, I mean, there's obviously been like 45 contracts that have come and went, different players that we have had. I do like the patience and appreciation, but I don't think I've ever really expected an offense coordinator in the NFL to talk like that, AJ. Well, yeah, it's not like college to where, hey, you, we got a couple

undersized guys that we need to take a few years to develop them and get them some reps and get them some experience. Yeah, when you play at a young – like you're throwing young guys in there, of course they're going to make some mistakes, but they're also going to flash and make some great plays as well. But it's not like you have three or four years to develop anybody or any kind of system. That was my takeaway.

It sounds like a college guy. Now, granted, it could be good. They're all juniors and seniors it sounds like, which is normally the best team. But it was like, you know, aren't we trying to fucking – you got four rookie offensive linemen? Sweet. Right. Hey, we need you to fucking play like veterans.

They're getting paid. We're trying to win a Super Bowl. You are a professional football player. I think this is good news for the Steelers, ultimately, how this could look this year. But that was a fascinating angle in which you chose to speak there. Yeah. I don't get the – I don't get it. I don speak there. Yeah, I don't get it.

I don't get it. I just don't get it. So is it developmental? What were they playing? JV last year? What were they tanking this season to get better this year? And at the beginning of the interview, he said, yeah, he's up and down. So what does that mean?

Well, Coach, Tomlin says it best. It's a football life, not football. That's right. Is that what he said? Tomlin said? Football- It's a football life, not a football. That's right. Is that what he said? Tomlin said? Football-like. Oh, yeah. Not football-light.

Football-light, yeah. Maybe it's like football-light. Like NFL Plus. Wait, OTAs and stuff are football-light? Yeah. Maybe that's what he said. Coach Tomlin does say it best. He does.

If we were to say something, we would say it hopefully in a Tomlin manner. But what did you hear out of that, Tone Diggs, as a diehard Steelers fan? Unfortunately, the way he was talking is kind of how it was because unfortunately the O-line two years ago was two rookies. Two years ago, bro. Two years ago. Aaron Rodgers won the MVP. That was a long time ago.

That's my thing. There's not an NFL way to speak, which I appreciate that he is, and the Steelers are a much more patient operation with turnover and everything than everybody else. But if you look at the development of Raw, it's like are they going to save stuff for next year? Right. Because what if this is the team?

Exactly. What if you don't know? We ain't going to teach them hats this year. We're going to teach them hats next year. What about all the motherfuckers that are in the last year of the contract? Him included. This is last year of Canada's contract, too, so he probably won't even be here next season.

He was building up to this year. He was like, listen, my contract year is when we'll have Houghton, we'll have audibles in, it'll be a whole thing. It's going to take a couple years to get there. Were Yinzers told, hey, listen, next year's offense, we're going to be able to be a little bit better than we were this year?

I don't think so. It's the NFL. Win motherfucking now. Right now. That's how the NFL is. Unfortunately, the O-line was just not – they didn't have the guys. Everybody's O-line stinks. They drafted poor, and they didn't bring anybody into the O-line,

but now they did bring people in, and they got a first-round pick. They goofed. That's even more why you need hots. Canada's been talking a lot more this year about how it kind of comes from the top, from the Roonies through Tomlin, that they are going to be tough and they're going to run the ball first and then they're going to work off play action and then they take shots when they get one-on-ones and stuff like that, blah, blah, blah. It feels like he's kind of trying to push some of the omen on and off of him.

A little bit. Up top. Okay. Well, maybe it was Rooney who said, I want no fucking hots. To Pac-Man's point, we got a bad offensive line. You better have some hot. They can't handle pressures or anything like that,

but we don't want any fucking hot. We don't want anybody adjusting if they're going to bring one too many people. Our offensive line can't handle it being equal. If they bring extra people, we don't want it being equal if they bring extra people we don't want an option to check out of that we don't want an option to fix that this is professional football AJ I would love to play against them and play double a gaps and they have no hots could you

imagine how much fun we'll have in that game that was last year oh man that was last year their juniors yeah they have to do it this year especially for like Kenny Pickett's sake because it's falling into what happened with Mack in his second year because if Canada really doesn't do anything good and they just are still the same kind of stagnant, not great offense, it's AJ smoking a cigar, kind of a similar offense that Tony talked about last year, then he's just kind of screwing Kenny because now Kenny's going to have a new offense going into his third year and that's the worst case scenario.

We can talk about, though, what we all thought whenever we saw that video. He does look pretty cool. He has a beard. His beard was cool. Glasses. Perfect shades. It's like Pittsburgh Indiana Jones. Oh, Yinser Jones. Yinsdiana Jones.

The whole... What if he's wearing his glasses because he's high as fuck? Could be. Could be. Even cooler. He's not that cool. Nick. He's a square. Dude, the kids are juniors this year.

Might be a narc. Kids are juniors. They are. I agree, Nick. I agree. Thank you, Pac. He's a state championship here right now. Well, that's what I hate, too.

We got this year and next year. Boom. 50% of the guys are going to be off contract. You're going to have to relearn everybody up to what you're doing next year. This is the NFL. That's the way it goes. But, like, this is junior year now. These two classes.

Using the crutch of, like, oh, you know, Kenny's a rookie, and then immediately contradicting that and talking about how smart and intelligent he is. Like, you hear Diggs and Nick and all Steelers fans talk about Kenny Pickett. Like, they're ready to take the training wheels off. Like, once he – it's like, hey, he's the guy. Like, he hear Diggs and Nick and all Steelers fans talk about Kenny Pickett. Like, they're ready to take the training wheels off. Like, once he – it's like, hey, he's the guy. Like, he can do this. Let him fucking have full command of the offense.

It's like all this bullshit about, oh, he's a rookie. We got to bring him along slow and get him ready. Like, that's not the way it is anymore. Professional football. Exactly. Like, guess what? If he sucks, he's not going to be there. If you suck, you're not going to be there.

You're not going to be there. I love it. I love everything about it. I love that we're having this conversation. I like that an offense coordinator in the NFL said that. I like that now we can go back to the old days where everybody's taking their time, slow build. And they say, if you want

to get something done wrong, do it quick. You want to get something right? Take your time. Better take your time. This is a three-year build for this offense. Whenever they start putting in hots here, year three, now some people do install differently. Some people do OTAs.

Some people do training camp. There's some installs. Some people, I think we're going to learn from this quarterback thing on Netflix, sometimes there's an install every single week. A brand new install. Like, hey, we've never done this before, but the team we're playing against can't stop this. So guess what're doing we're gonna do this so that install is coming on maybe wednesday fuck yeah saturday yeah exactly the new england patriots have installed sometimes

sunday morning see something on film hey we need to do that that's professional football so to hear like well you know these guys kind of come along crazy but hopefully the old adage about taking your time is worth it and this is the breakout year for kenny pickett because everything i'm seeing out of kenny pickett i would like him to be a part of that next generation of superstars the nfl needs kenny pickett he's an old school guy but he seems to have a lot of great swag and i've seen he was out there with hardy having beers yeah kenny's been he's been living he does does have swag. He is awesome. But unfortunately, the way that he's talking

is just kind of how the Steelers are. Ben, his rookie year, they did the same thing with him, but the only difference is they had an incredible offensive line and an incredible running game and their defense was potentially one of the best of all time. But they had hot. They had hot too.

I think it was Wizards. The Brews had seven step Hold my dick He had some hot out there too It's crazy that it's a Tomlin Like the Patriots last year It's crazy that it's like Tomlin and Belichick That this is happening Be who you can afford to be

They have the time Even though What the fuck Sorry I think his computer's about to explode oh yeah is that still the dell no i just got a hot though sounds like it took it too long too too fast too much too quick for this thing it's kind of coming together let's go to the phones let's go to the 5rng phone line love that we've kind of covered everything oh no we have not sorry 5rng phone line russell wilson is lean and mean a sliding machine he's in better

shape than he's ever been and the balance is spectacular obviously people have had to do this workout whenever they're rehabbing any knee injuries or lower body extremities that have had some problems but him sliding back and forth you know getting his uh all his little muscles in his leg stronger and then the one leg squat, he is going to be better than ever. And the ball. Yeah, hold on to that ball. The guy can't get it away from me. He's doing it with the ball in his hands.

All about ball. The ball is the program. The slip and slide that I'm training on, although people call it old school, is one that's going to make him better than ever. Wait until he's fucking triple deacon and in the middle of that Denver Bronco field and doing his thing for the Broncos with Sean Payton. This is going to be a better than ever Russell Wilson, AJ.

And I think we're all ready for it. It is. The only thing that worries me is the very end when he's jumping rope and he's doing the two foot jump rope. Does he not have it? He didn't know how to do like the normal Rocky Balboa one foot at a time. No, that was just a speed.

He was just doing a speed. Speed is one foot. Speeda one foot at a time? No, that was just the speed. He was just doing a speed jump. Speed is one foot at a time. No, he was different. That's like warm-up at recess. Yeah, Bill's doing the same. That's the one-legged kick. And he's doing all the twisty dudes. I want to see Double Dutch.

I want to see him jumping, doing circles, doing Double Dutch. How were you Double Dutch? How were you? Oh, man. My daughter just got back into Double Dutch, and I think we're gonna have to bring it back we used to double dutch a couple years back and now they're they're older i think we could really we could really make some waves you know i i've seen some motherfuckers that just couldn't get in okay get on your knees i'm on the ones can't get in you're good you just got to get in get in then

you're good find your rhythm how unathletic do you look and feel? That's a Tim Robinson sketch. I'm not good at it. I cannot get in. Every time I've tried it, I got in one time. That's amazing. I love that you run a 4-2. One of the greatest athletes of all time. I wish I was there watching you try to get into a double-dush.

Because that's the first time I'd seen it. We did not do it in my school. I did not believe it unless you were to get into a double dutch because that's the first time I'd seen it. We did not do it in my school. I did not believe it unless you were double dutch. We did not double dutch anywhere. The first time I seen it, I'm like, this is a little intimidating here. This is a pretty big event. People get real loud too. We're getting real loud as this whole thing's going.

There's tricks. People are jumping tandem. They're doing this. The motherfucker that's working at the end flipping the things like that's not an easy job but they're hey we're in this you know they're doing it oh yeah so my first time seeing i'm like whoa fuck this is kind of oh no and everybody was seemingly able to do it i'm like all right if that motherfucker can do it no problem figure it out and then I saw somebody step up that seemingly had it all together. Fresh shoes, great athlete looking motherfucker. Couldn't get in.

Oh, no. Nothing worse. Oh, my God. And the whole crowd turned on him. Yeah. Oh, no. No. No.

And I'm like, oh, maybe I don't need to do this. And I kind of got shoved in there. And I did it. The fact that I did it first time, that guy's life. I couldn't even imagine. He's never done it since. So, Pat, you and I need to go to a double dutch thing. Just watch you kind of fuck.

You just got to commit. Where the hell are they? Huh? Where do they do double dutch? Obviously, Centerville. Playgrounds. Yeah. I just went to Ohio, which I couldn't have expected.

You know, the hopscotch thing. That was always interesting that people did that. Toss the rock. The one, two, three thing? Yeah. What was that? Why do people do that shit? Just an easy kids game.

Yeah. It's kind of like a young man's ladder. The one, two, three thing? Yeah, what was that? Why do people do that shit? Just an easy kids game. Kind of like a young man's ladder. Right? Play Red Rover? You got to throw a rock into it? Yeah, you throw the rock into it, then you can't step on the one with the rock. Oh, yeah. Toss it.

I don't think I did enough. Four square. I mean, I would dominate four square. Feet or hands? Four square. Feet? Hands. I never played feet, I don't think. did enough on the scotch. I mean, I would dominate. Four square. Feet or hands? Four square. Feet? Hands. Hands.

I never played feet, I don't think. Oh, oh, oh. Foot one's good, obviously. I was a soccer player, so that helped. Don't bring that weak four square shit in here. Bingo. I mean, both hands and feet. We got you.

We're a big four square town. But a nice spike in a four square with a leg. Played at the old office. Feels very good. Yeah, yeah. Gumpy was playing in there. Canadian flair. A little slug in there.

We got a congressman coming in this place the next week. Here we go. That's right. Get him back. He's going to bring him, right? He should take a submarine in here. All right, let's talk about it. Might not be a good idea.

Let's talk about it. I read this and I thought to myself, this can't be real. Got to be fake. I assume that there are some whites out there that would want to put themselves into a container and ship themselves to the bottom of the fucking ocean just to say that they did it. Whites have been doing stuff like that for a very long time.

Scientists, researchers, things like that. This has been something that's been taking place for a long time. What's the deepest part of the ocean? Look at this fish we saw down there. That comes out every couple months and there's people that take a lot of pride and joy in that type of thing. When I heard a

billionaire, a human with a brain and a life and everything like that, signed up to get into this tiny little fucking tube to go down that tube right there to go down to the bottom of the ocean so that he can say he saw the Titanic through a screen, through a tube. $250,000.

I just, I couldn't believe it. I was mind blown. But this is seemingly real. They lost these fuckers out in the middle of the ocean. These are dead they have no idea where they are a billionaire signed up and they can't get them either we don't have i saw a thing where the guy said we only have three submarines in the world that could even go that deep so even if they find them they can't get to them i was offered one time in an email that certainly wasn't a scam 250 000 to go to space okay i said well i'm rich look at these fucking emails I'm getting. That's pretty sweet.

People are telling me a quarter of a million dollars to go to space. It was no guarantee we were making it out alive. There was no guarantee it was coming back. And it was set at a date

to be determined, need the money now, though. It's like, okay, certainly not doing that. But who would ever sign up for that? Apparently, some people would sign up for that type of thing because if you got an email

that said, hey, here's a tiny little tube that NASA put together, allegedly, to make sure that it wouldn't, you know, kind of compact on itself with the pressure and it'd be able to do its thing. We're going to control this thing with a video game controller. We're going to have one little screen, no windows. It'll be about the size of a minivan. And there'll be four people in there. And you're going to go down to depths of the ocean that people have never been before. But you'll be able to say that you were in something that was kind of skirting by

where Jack and Rose were boning on the Titanic. And somebody said, sign me up. Numerous people did. And now we're never seeing them again. And I hate the old adage of you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. But this sure feels like one of those

things. And rest in peace to all of them. Yeah, rest in peace. Those guys are dead. We don't know. No, they're deader than shit. There's no two ways about it. These guys are deader than shit. 96 hours was how long they were going to be down there. Do you think any of them looked at the inside of this first and were like,

oh, are you kidding me? Wait, was it 96 or they had 96 hours of air on the floor? It was set up so that they could be submerged down there for 96 hours. Yeah, I assume it was like that was when the oxygen broke out. Yeah, what's a normal trip? How long does it take? Because I would imagine it's at least five, six, seven, eight hours. I wouldn't want to sit there for four minutes with that many people.

Yeah, well, that's a whole other conversation. I mean, the amount of people that are in there. You got guys taking dumps in the front in the little toilet, the little bucket they have. This one I totally. Turn the music up and put a sheet over top of them, they said. Yeah, because I'm about to really blow one out here. You guys aren't going to want to hear this,

but the smell will be trapped in here. You're still going to get it. Still going to be in here or whatever. I don't. You can't dump in there. If someone dumps in there, you got to kick them off the sub. So Foxy brought this point up, I guess, earlier. And it just popped in my head.

It has to be the case. There's no way a billionaire, okay, unless maybe just born into a billion dollars, came from a lucky sperm club, not 100% sure, and has zero realistic views on life, and who knows what he's thinking. This is all fake deaths.

He signed up for this thing so nobody can ever see him again. Can't rule it out. Hey, where are they? Wow, they're two miles deep in the ocean in a fucking tube. $250,000 they paid for it. These four are going to show up with a new face in a new city, in a new town, and be new people and not have to pay taxes anymore on their money? Is this all a fake death evasion of taxes tactic?

And if that's the case, I'm pretty impressed by the lengths that they're willing to go in the realm of believability. Because it's tough to believe that these fuckers are getting into that tube, going down to the Titanic. And now they're like, they're dead. It's like, yeah, no shit. We saw the tube. We heard what they were doing. Of course they're dead. Seems almost like too unbelievable.

But it would be a move if you were trying to disappear. It'd be like, oh, just lost them in the ocean. Where? Two miles deep, never be seen again. They're just fucking gone. Kind of genius. It is. Not a bad idea.

What are we going to use to steer this thing? I don't know. Who cares? We're not getting in it. Fucking put a PlayStation controller. Yeah, we going to use a sear of this thing? I don't know. Who cares? We're not getting in it. Fucking put a PlayStation controller. Yeah, we're never being in that thing. It's actually a knockoff PlayStation controller that you can get on Amazon for $30. Logitech.

$29.99. They said they have a couple backups. They did have two or three backups, though, in case one of them goes down. Oh, my God. The controllers. Yeah, they definitely. Makes more sense. Two miles.

So, let's just say something happened and, you know, they got to get out. I don't even know if they can handle the pressure. No, no, no. They could handle the pressure of holding their breath for going back up for two miles. No, no, no. No, it can't happen. Allegedly, the door is bolted shut and can only be opened by the crew who launched the submarine. 17 bolts, I heard.

17 different bolts from the outside. They lost connection after 45 hours. So they... I'm sorry, hour and 45 minutes. Hour and 45 minutes. They lost connection. It's the electric car. They don't even barely have connection.

Didn't you listen to the guys? They said they can send, like, little tiny text messages back and forth. They have no radio. They have no GPS, nothing. Yeah, there's no service. I also read an article. The tip up above sends a message saying,

hey, go to the right 100 yards. It was saying that it always stays connected. So, like, oxygen is always needed. And when it disconnects, you get 90 hours or whatever. So, like, I don't know why they disconnected. Because they don't have a tube that's two and a half miles long. I think it was an alien fucking ate it. They have Starlink.

I think that's more likely. Starlink is down two miles deep in the ocean? I don't know a tube that's two and a half miles long. Because an alien fucking ate it. They have Starlink. I think that's more likely. Starlink is down two miles deep in the ocean? I don't know how far down it goes, but I know that the company was just praising Starlink for giving them internet access all the way out in the ocean where they were at. There's no way two miles down. Not underneath. Even they're watching.

No problem. Mothership. They might be watching us because we are an internet show. Good luck out there. If this is a fake death thing, great commitment. Yeah. Great idea. I doubt it. Also, rest a fake death thing, great commitment. Great idea. Also, rest in peace, though, man.

They're dead. They said they got 40 hours left of oxygen if they are still alive. They're not. What if this thing just comes bopping back up to the top? That would be so sweet. It would be so cool. It would. They could be floating on the surface somewhere, they said.

Yeah, but then they'd be able to communicate, right? Starlight. If they were near the surface. I think so Yeah maybe They are in a cement tube That thing ain't gonna float Probably not

There's like Eight different ways Where they can You know Like deploy balloons Get ballast out of there To try to like Surface if they need to

But the guy One dude said Either something happened And it leaked And they just got crushed Immediately Or When they were going up

Somehow They got snagged on something and they could be stuck underneath somewhere we don't know oh like a whale yeah so i heard a guy said there's the two options basically what if it's for what if it's those whales that are flipping boats orcas what if they just decided to make a like it's like american gladiators trying to get to that trash can oh yeah they're just like speedball they're just blocking them. Yep. Passing them off.

Passing them back and forth. They got a long way to get back up here. Two miles. What if they hit a nice one? Let's get to a break, man. Let's get to a break, honestly. True. It could have been.

I'm happy we didn't take any calls. We had to address that. Some of these rich whites are just doing some of the dumbest shit, and they always have been. So we just got to expect that. This has got to be top of the list. That would be a hell of a list mean you got jim cameron went down jim what jim cameron does is scarier than this going down to the bottom well jim cameron's craft costs like 200 million dollars he made sure like he could go like 85 miles an hour underwater and his he's shooting

a movie down there these guys guys are just fucking in a goddamn PVC pipe they bought at Home Depot that they put in those tape rounds. This seems like a death sentence. How do they get, like, don't you have to get approval or get someone to sign off on that? A billionaire, I assume, just, hey, I want to do this. And they'll be like, wow, the billionaire probably looked into it.

There's nobody he wants to... I also see it's been in use since 2018, so 2018 was like one of the first years. Yeah, they're taking it into an Olympic pool and going to the bottom. You do need a life straw. You need a life straw. Yeah, for sure. But they don't have a lot of space to keep all the life straw.

No. Let's get to a break. Hey, Bob, I need more piss over here. I'm trying to compress my feelings of hate for these people. Sure. Because it is a very serious thing. But we don't have to do everything all the time you know no yeah exactly i think we should remember that you can just hang out we don't have to do everything all the time we can pass on some things

like going down to see the youtube videos check out the youtube videos of the other there's no windows they're just they're on a screen. Could they not have put this motherfucker in this thing and put him in a green screen and just made him think he was there? Yeah. They'd be cheaper. Cheaper. I did that once in Niagara Falls. It was awesome. They make it seem like you're going over the

falls. That's what I'm saying. That's sick. It starts shaking. Can we not do that? If you're not having a window to look at it for real, and you're just viewing it through a screen, I mean, what are we doing? Once you get down there, though, I know the only window is right in front of the dumper.

So do you got to take a dump to be able to look out of the window? Let's get out of here. And that's what might have happened. Wyndham Clark will join us on... What, you think somebody dumped it? Someone took a dump and they're like, this is so bad, I'm going to kill you. And then they just all started killing each other inside that tube.

That's a real hospital. Smelled so bad. They ran out of food, too. Jim, are you fucking kidding me? The billionaire was so hungry, took somebody else's food. Yep. The billionaire. I'll take that caviar.

And the one with the snacks. Bingo. What if there was a little tension inside? Definitely. And they're like, you're not worth a billion down here, pal. That's right. You're worth a minute and a half poop on there. i gotta poop as well eat your fucking arm once again we do feel bad that the outcome is seemingly death for all of them yeah he's a piece of family mad mike mad mike that's right was in a similar situation. He was. When he decided to build his own rocket ship with zero degrees or zero reasoning to build his own rocket ship to go to space.

And he took that thing right up into the sky, and then it turned right around, and it hit fifth gear faster into the Earth. Yeah. And Mad Mike disintegrated immediately upon impact. Found out the hard way. You can't get to the moon using two liters of Coke, empty Coke bottles as your propeller engine. And on that note, you can't get to the Titanic in some Jordan shoeboxes in a remote control from a video game. And we are being joined by the reigning, defending, undisputed U.S. Open champion of the world.

A man who's been golfing for a long time. Started golfing when he was three years old. First hole in one was when he was six. Obviously in high school, won a couple state titles. Went on to college. Was fantastic. And just this past weekend, we got a chance to learn more about him as he expertly crafted his way around the Los Angeles Country Club, which certainly has a lot of different conversations about it happening at this exact moment.

Ladies and gentlemen, your new favorite golfer, Wyndham Clark. What's up, boys? Hey, congrats. Hey, I saw you drinking out of that thing the other night. How was it? Did it taste delightful? It tasted incredible. The champagne was flowing, and so were the beers.

It was great. Yeah, was flowing, and so were the beers. It was great. Yeah, you earned those, pal. And before we dive into your entire story, which a lot of us learned about this past weekend, I want to let you know you have a lot of new fans. I assume that's a—yes, make sure we have that in there, please. You have a lot of new fans. You've earned the hell out of that thing. But I kind of want to talk about 18 more specifically, obviously, on Sunday.

So whenever you're walking down that fairway and you hit a little fade obviously utilizing the entire fairway smart you know i mean smart you're up one going into the final hole of a major tournament you're playing great and then you're you watch ricky fowler going to the rough okay then you're up there's a camera you know about this far from your face at this point you put it on the green and then what seems is a four mile walk up to the green where the camera is seemingly a foot and a half away from your face and everything if you decide to look to your left at all everybody home is going to get a iso on every single nerve in your face on how your hand did was there a moment there where you're

thinking holy shit I'm about to win a major or what's going through your brain as literally the pressure of the entire golf world is trying to get you to fuck up seemingly on the 18th hole there in three. But what are you telling yourself? How did you handle it all? Because honestly, it was a masterclass of a big moment being handled by somebody that we had not been introduced to yet in yourself it was phenomenal I thought with the way the camera was with the way it was all set up it's like god they're setting this guy up for instead you show up and deliver what was the mindset what were you telling yourself and did you realize in the moment what was taking place I'm so amped up now listening to you gosh you got me going hell yeah I feel like I'm I feel like I'm

back there on 18 um yeah as I was walking up though i was still really focused because i didn't know how far um i didn't know how far the putt was so i in my mind i was like i hope it's only about 30 feet and it ended up being like 60 feet so i was kind of like you know like oh boy i still got my work cut out for me and you know i've traditionally been a very good lag putter but I do struggle with uphill lag putts and so the whole time that we're reading it I kept telling myself I said Dub just get it there make sure you get it there make sure you get it there because I always leave them you know if I if I miss it ends up going five six feet short and so once I hit that putt that's when I said holy, holy shit, this is going to happen. And I honestly was trying not to cry.

I mean, the minute that putt went to a foot, I fist pumped because I knew I did it. And then I marched my ball and I walked away and I looked around and I said, oh, my God, I mean, this is happening. And I was trying not to cry. Like I honestly, at that moment, it all hit me. And so I was trying to compose myself to make that putt because even though it was only 10 inches, you never know. Oh, believe me, I've missed a lot of those. I've missed a lot of those, and we all kind of thought of that.

And your fist pumps, by the way, different than anybody else's I've ever seen. I actually really enjoy your – you have a patented fist pump. Very quick, very aggressive, very low. It's awesome. It's going to become your thing, I hope, as we continue to go. And watching you, good lag butter. Excellent. Good lag butter.

Got to do it. Watching you kind of win it all was surreal. Go ahead, AJ. Wyndham, I was reading something where I know you had an awesome 14th hole out there. I believe you may have had a three-shot lead after that hole or whatever, and you're quoted as saying, all I've got to do is coast the rest of the way. How the hell do you coast in the U.S. Open down the stretch when you know it's an impossible course and one bad swing can cost you everything?

Well, you know, that was exactly the word I said. I lost my focus. I was the only person to bogey 15 that whole day. It was the easiest hole possible. And I made that birdie, and I had a three-shot lead, and I just kind of lost my focus. But it was also probably maybe the best thing for me because then it got me.

It was like, all right, hey, you need to get your act together. And like you said, I mean, at a U.S. Open, any hole, if you miss hit a shot becomes then the hardest hole because it's so challenging. You know, the pin placements are tough, the roughs high. Um, but I, I played those finishing holes really well all week. So I felt confident going into them. And, um, you know, I've been in that position just only three, four weeks prior when I got

my first PGA Tour win where I had a three, four shot lead with, you know, three, four holes to go and I handled it well. So I leaned, I leaned on that a lot. So I know this is probably a question that you've asked yourself and others have, why do you think now your golf game's coming in? You know, like obviously this is your second win on tour. It's your first major. You've been around a long time, but golf, it's at your three, first hole in one of your six. I couldn't even fathom the amount of things that were said about how great of a golfer you're going to be your entire life.

Including a sport that has a sweet spot this big. So, like, the pressure that you've been able to battle, seemingly, very impressive. Incredible stuff here. Okay? So, you need to know that. Why do you think now, though, it's kind of happened? I mean, your touch. Hey, that fucking sideways one.

Oh, my God. Put that thing. And then you go underneath some grass you go underneath some heavy grass and then you get that thing out of there again that could have been an easy triple we saw we saw a quadruple bogey out of dustin johnson out of nowhere it feels like at the u.s open that can happen you every shot that seemed to be like impossible you were making looked look very easy. It's like, this guy's got hands. He's driving it. Putting's great.

He's handling the moment. Why do you think now, Wyndham? And I assume that's a question that's tough to answer, but why do you think now? Well, you know, I honestly felt like this stuff should have happened earlier in my career. I've, you know, not to toot my horn, but I feel like I have all, you know, all the tools in the

shed as far as, you know, I feel like I putt great. I have a great short game. I hit the ball far. I'm a good ball striker. But I think the thing I was lacking the most was, you know, the mental game and the belief that I could do it. And the more years I was on tour, the more I started to not believe I was going to win and be great because I was having so many letdowns. And when I finally made a decision to tackle the mental game, I think all the areas of my game started to shine even more because now my true potential was just coming out and I was letting it shine and I was having fun on the golf course

versus having so much anxiety and putting so much pressure on myself to play well. Now I was just going out and playing and having fun. And then I was hitting the shots that I hit in practice. And in the past, I'd get so frustrated because I could hit the flop shot in practice so many times and I could hit that cut into the green. I could hit this, whatever. And then I get into competition and I was almost scared to do it. And now I go, Hey, this is no different than practice. And I, and I pull off the shot. So golf has gotten really fun in the last six months. And, and, uh, you know, obviously doing this just is a cherry on top. Hey, are you happy because you win or do you win? Cause you're happy. I mean, that is an actual question. Sounds like the happy win thing is yours and also the

world. If you're enjoying what you're doing, you're probably going to be much better because you're going to do everything else that it takes to kind of have success in that particular aspect. I heard afterwards, you said you were telling yourself, I can do this. I can do this. I can do this. I believe is what they said that you said. What was the mental health tackling that you did? Did you just get to a point where you're like, I can fucking beat these guys. I'm going to do it. Was it a moment you woke up and tackled the mental side of it? Did you go talk to somebody? How did that all kind of come

to be? Because I think all professional sports are trying to battle and win in between the years. That's literally the talent is in a lot of people getting to the top is not, and it's all in here. What was it for you to kind of tackle that over the last six months yeah you're spot on I mean when you get to the highest level of professional sports it's basically the difference is probably work ethic and the mental game and you know it's something that I neglected and so I hired someone that really helped me I've worked with a handful of people and I was actually against it a little bit. I thought it was kind of weird at times.

And I was like, ah, this stuff doesn't work. But I had a bunch of people swear by this lady. And she just said, hey, go all in for six months. And let's see where you're at in six months. And if nothing changes, then you can fire me. And you go about your way and whatever. But I think you should give me six months and see what happens. And, and what, you know, it didn't happen overnight and there's no like, you know, with a mental game, there's no

barometer. It's not like there's a stat for a mental game. So you don't know, you know, how I'm doing. But what was amazing is my anxiety went down when I was playing golf. I was having more fun on the golf course. I was making tons of cuts. I was feeling more comfortable on Thursdays and Fridays and Saturdays, which led to having better tournaments. And then I was in contention multiple times. And she kept telling me, she goes,

Wyndham, good things are going to happen. Good things are going to happen. And then I lost in the Dominican. I lost in New Orleans where, you know, we're coming down the final holes and I had a chance to win, had a chance to win Phoenix and had a chance to win Tampa. So I had all these chances. She goes, well, what if this is for something greater?

And then I win Wells Fargo, which was my first PGA Tour win. And I go, wow, that was worth the wait. And then we play Memorial, which was shortly afterwards. And I felt like I should have won that tournament and didn't win. She goes, hey, what if this means something greater is coming? And I go, I like where your mind's at. And she goes, let's just go with that. And I said, all right.

And so when we got to the U.S. Open, I said, well, maybe this is the something greater. And as the week started going, I started to believe that. I said, this is going to happen. And so it was pretty awesome. I mean, she's helped me out so much. And just how positive I've become is honestly amazing to see how much I've changed. Ah, she got you the leverage negotiation. You're going to be paying a lot of that thing right over your shoulder there. As you started talking, she was like, give me six months or whatever.

We'll see where we're at. She's like, huh? How about it? Yeah, I know. I'm going to get her a lot of business now. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like she is a miracle worker. Anybody that can make you believe in yourself is somebody that has a superpower, especially for some people, especially in golf and in a sport that can be so wishy. Easy come, easy go. That is something that can all unravel at the same time. Being able to control in between the years is amazing. Happy you were able to do that.

Yeah. Hey, we're happy, too. We're getting to experience Wyndham Clark. You're a fucking stick, pal. Oh, yeah. You're great for the sport. I spent all weekend with you, dude. I spent all weekend with you.

Literally, because it was on the West Coast. We're talking. I spent almost every waking hour I had with you. Yes. You were an awesome hang, dude. Yeah. Incredible. Thank you.

Keep it going. Excited to watch you this weekend. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Wyndham, we all heard your caddy tell you before one of your shots, you know, be an athlete. What's kind of your relationship with him during the round? Is he kind of talking shit to you sometimes? Like, hey, don't screw this up.

Hey, you know, make sure this lag putt is close. Or is he kind of also giving you that, like, positive reinforcement? So, John and i have one of the best relationships i think on tour because we're really close friends off the golf course and then obviously on the course you know we're very professional and business-like but the greatest thing about john is he's always talking shit so hell yeah let's go he's got massive calves through that guy's calves are fucking yeah. Yeah, he's a freaking tank. But what's so great is I'll hit a bad shot, and he'll say, wow, that was terrible.

Or he'll be like, I'd be beating you right now. He'll tell me that in rounds. He'll be like, I'd be three under. I'd be crushing you. And so it's funny because then I go, well, screw you. I can beat you. And so then it kind of motivates me, but also lightens me up. When we were coming down on 18, he wasn't necessarily talking trash then, but he's like, hey, Dub, we got this. Come on. You're the best lag putter out here.

Just go do it. There's times when he gets really serious, but there's other times when he knows I need to be lightened up, and that's when the shit talking happens. It's great. knows I need to be lightened up and that's when the shit talking happens. And, and it's great. Like, you know, I think a lot of people on tour have recognized it and they, they enjoy our relationship. And I think they like playing with us and hanging out with us because we do

the same thing to them. I mean, we were having a dumb argument with Ricky up the 14th hole about wins and all this stuff. And we were laughing about it. So, you know, it's, John's definitely one of the best caddies out there. Yeah. It sounds like a vibe is great out there. We got to learn a little bit about him. He is a tank, though. Beast.

He had high tops on, too. High tops straight into the massive calves. I haven't seen that play in a long time. Great swagger. And then they say he played in the U.S. Open a couple times. These guys are sick. And then I heard him say, be an athlete, too. I'm like, I think I love this guy. you guys really joke he go ahead oh sorry to interrupt

but he uh for the longest time the joke was he played more majors than me so we're like three years into my career and he's like i still got more majors than you still got more majors than you and so he was always talking trash so i told him afterwards i said, I want to major. I had maybe such a choice worse, but yeah. Go ahead, AJ. Your approach shot on Saturday on 18, you had the epic club twirl. Did you know in the moment that you did that club twirl and it worked out so smooth? Did you know you had to watch it back? I think even in the moment, maybe Azing or whoever said that might be one of the greatest club twirls of all time with how your shot turned out and how good did that feel?

Yeah, you know, I honestly didn't even know I did it, and it was so funny. Oh, nice. Because it was literally dark. I mean, I don't know if you guys can see on TV. Why is it dark? Why did you tee off earlier? What happened?

Yeah, why don't we fucking move it? I'm up until midnight watching you fucking golf. Yeah, come on. And you're in the dark. Believe me, we had some choice words when we finished because we were like, what are we doing here? I go, it's a major championship, and we couldn't even see. And honestly, I'm friends with Ricky, and, you know,

it worked out in my benefit because I birdied 18 and he bogeyed, but Ricky never misses that putt. He couldn't see. He has to wear those glasses because he wears prescriptions. And so he couldn't see. So it was very unfortunate. see he has to wear those glasses because he wears prescriptions and so he couldn't see it so it's very unfortunate but um but when i hit that so i hit that shot it was hard to see but i knew it took off right flag and i knew it was a perfect club and i didn't know i club trolled and then

i was walking off the green and some of my buddies were there and they go dude that was the sickest club tour ever and i was like what you know i didn't even know and then they showed me and i was like oh that was pretty badass yeah pretty smooth especially because you didn't even know what happened yeah i mean that's an even better oh my god can't see it it's pitch dark but that felt fucking uh-huh sounded good you tell me calves you got eyes on that thing pac-man pac-man has a question for you um we was talking about how hard it is to win the Open. You kept composure really good. How do you rate this win at the Open

and to all the other things that you've done? I know you've won a tournament a couple weeks ago. How do you rate this one, though? Because this is a big one. Yeah, well, obviously, it's the biggest win of my career. But I've had a few. I mean, I won the Pac-12 Championship, which was, at obviously it's the biggest win of my career. But, you know, I've had a few. I mean, I won the Pac-12 championship, which was at the time the biggest win. No big deal.

Yeah, I feel like I've won the biggest tournaments at every stage. And so they're all special. And so getting my first PGA Tour win was super special. But, you know, winning a major championship in golf, you know, there's only four of them. And, you know, my name's on the trophy it's there for life and that's something that you know 100 years from now people would be like oh yeah Wyndham Clark or what you know that and that's that's pretty amazing so this this is um you know this is one of the hardest tournaments to win it's the best field on the toughest course usually and uh you. And it's also in the U.S. I love America, and being the United States champion is pretty amazing.

It's great that you're our champion. I'm from America, love America. I'm happy you're our champion. Ty has a question for you from the middle of America. Yeah, Wyndham, speaking of you and Ricky, I was reading about you guys' relationship and everything, and I'm just curious, is it a detriment or a positive when you're going into Sunday and you're in the final group with him,

and then he kind of falls back a little bit, and it's just you, and you don't have that guy in your group pushing you? I know it's all about your game. You're not really focused on it, but how difficult is it when you're kind of relying on hearing fan reactions and the crowd and stuff like that when you know Rory's right behind you? Does it matter at all when the guy in the final group with you isn't necessarily the one pushing you and you don't have to compete with him head up?

It can be challenging when there is such a thing in golf where if the group doesn't have good vibes, like guys aren't making putts or putts just seem to be lipping out or nothing's going in, that is a real thing. Like there's times when I know I've played better or shot a better score because the guy in my group was lights out. And so, you know, maybe that, you know, one under round I would have shot turned into four under because the guy was going lights out.

And so it is a challenge. You know, I think – Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry. Got to call. Not your fault. Not your fault. Yes.

But, you know, I think in that – because Rory was right in front of me and we could see what was going on, it almost felt as if he was in our group. So I was kind of feeding off of that. But, you know, I feel like I've gotten so much mentally tougher that I wasn't going to let something like that affect me. Well, we're proud of you, bub. We're pumped for you. You know, obviously we learned about your mom and everything like that.

I never got a chance to meet her, but I'd assume she said, my kid done fucking great. Keep going, man. We're incredibly pumped for you. Very lucky to learn about you. And can't wait to watch you this weekend at the Travelers. A lot of money on the line. Let's get some more polos.

You know what I mean? Yes, sir. Let's do it. You're the best. Thanks for having me on, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, Wyndham Clark. Yeah! All right.

I mean, good guy. We like you. Yeah, it's our champion. Got Moxie. That's our champion. Our champion. That's got Moxie. He's like, yeah, should have been having a long time ago, man.

What the hell? Serious. That lady, did he say her name's like, yeah, it should have been happening a long time ago, man. What the hell? Serious. That lady, did he say her name? He just said the woman that everybody kind of. She probably works with multiple players, I would imagine. That's what he said, that multiple people said, hey, she's a real deal. She's a real deal. That's interesting because she's talking to Rory the same way she's talking to Ricky.

Yeah, maybe. Hey, bigger things are coming. Bigger things are coming. He's younger. And the bigger thing happens to be Wyndham Clark. That's the guy I'm talking to in 20 minutes. He's a problem. I've been talking to all you guys.

This Wyndham one. Yeah, he's coming. Clark's good. I'm happy he's a good guy. He said that putt was 10 inches to win it. That 10 inches probably looked like 30 feet. Bro, just stepping over top of that thing. All you need is one accidental.

What if you just accidentally boom and it scuffs off the fucking green? That's what I was thinking as he was going up there. I'm like, oh, my God, guy. I'm learning so much about you. Your mom, your entire run. What you've been through, the ups and downs. You're 10 inches away. All we need here.

Just put the thing in the hole, pal. And then Ricky steps up. He had like a two-incher or three-in inch he just bat knocks it in from the same exact angle i'm like all he's got to do is just do that's no problem he'll be able to do this and all of a sudden my mind because i don't talk to that lady you know my mind is oh he's gonna just all you gotta do is just accidentally and then that thing rolls out and then what if it rolls further? Yeah, into the bunker or something. Oh, my God, dude. I was so worried. I was so worried for him.

All the way until that thing hit the hole. And he had to both. I was so worried that we were going to lose it. And I was like, not this. Can't have. All I was thinking earlier in the day, I believe it was the low amateur who, I can't remember his name. I think it was, yeah, on 18.

He put it center cup right in the middle and it fucking bounced back out. And I was like, there's no way that could happen to Wyndham on the last hole. But that's all I was thinking. Like, anything could happen. Yeah, that video of that ball going square. That's a count. I agree. That's despicable.

I agree. Or put, like, some foam in the bottom of the cup so it can't bounce out like that. Well, we need the sound of the cup. Oh, I thought it was, like, back. I didn't think it went down. Yeah, it was. Oh, it went down and bounced out. No, yeah, but it was back. I, we need the sound of the cup. Oh, I thought it was like back rim. I didn't think it went down. Yeah, it was back. Oh, it went down and bounced out. No, yeah, but it was back. I think it was the top of the plastic.

It was. Yeah, back rim. Yeah, I've seen that happen before. That's so pissed. I need to fix that, and then if you hit the ball into the fairway and you're in a divot, they need to allow you to take that back no further to the hole. Yeah. They have to fix that. Can't put it on a tee, but like, guys should not be wondering if they hit a perfect shot, if they're going to be fucked or not.

Yes, exactly. Especially in the last round. That's a bad rule. And they go, oh, he's in prime position, but somebody else is there before him. So that half ball is going to be gone. Might as well hit this in the roof. Yeah, getting penalized for playing the best that anyone has

up until that point in the tournament. You're in the last group and you hit it center cut. But because some guy shot 75-75 and was out there six hours before you, you're fucked. Let's go to some 5-Hour Energy Finals. Thank you for joining us, Wyndham. Thank you. You seemed casual, didn't you? Thank you, W.

Just talking. Right back at it, too. Right back at it for the next tournament. That's the crazy thing. Golf never stops. Oh, we didn't ask him if they were filming for that Netflix thing. I assume they were. It looked like that. They had that one blonde-haired kid with the backwards hat. He was

getting in some of the shots. I'm like, that feels like the Netflix. That's how I thought too. That feels like the Netflix. If he won Wells Fargo too, before they'd probably have that win on there as well. $20 million up for grabs this weekend at the Travelers up in Connecticut. Wyndham feels like our guy. Yeah, I mean when you're hot like this i that that tournament can't start soon enough i believe scotty scotty's the favorite obviously yeah also bet scotty top three or top

five whatever he's going to get it he's so awesome to watch it's absurd i thought he was going to make a run i mean i know i wouldn't put that one way into the fucking trees that felt good watching yeah it was like scotty does that. On that par three? He's plus 140 in the top five. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was par three. It was like the 290. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry. And then it just keeps going left. And I was like, did they cut that? Isn't Scotty? And then they go back to the tee box, and Scotty's like full on, way over here. I'm like, Scotty Shefford just hit a bad ball. That's great news. Let's go.

Yeah, I'm pumped. Not good for Scottie. I can't wait to see how he gets out of this. But, like, I thought this machine was incapable of hitting a bad ball. They say game second in the Masters, he's worse than the field putting. Yeah. You know, if he gets better at putting, it's game over for Scottie. How do you do that?

I assume he's working on it. He was worse in the field putting. At the Masters. The Masters. master wasn't great at the us pretty good every clip of him too is after the round practicing like there are there are clips of that over the weekend of after he's done he's just on the range his driver had a dent in it yeah found that out after of course i knew it wasn't going exactly where the fuck i was saying what there must be something wrong with this scotty there's nothing wrong with it okay see

me on the driving range. Yeah. Okay, we'll go out there. Taylor Maid's probably out there with him. Yeah. Something wrong with this. The sound is just a little off. Boom.

You hear that? Yep. Boom. You hear that? It's loose. Boom. See that? There has to be something wrong.

And then, oh, what is that? Oh, it's that. That's what I thought. And he threw the thing. Actually threw the thing. Get out of here. Get the fuck out of my face. God damn it.

A little too little too late here. Wish we knew the dent was on Thursday. I guess I'll take 1.2 million. You brought it up Saturday. That was bullshit. Like how late. Because obviously the cut has happened. So you could have started.

They started Sundays around like an hour and a half earlier, the tee times were for the leaders than it was on Saturday. How about the modern cameras that we have with the way it is they are able to find light yeah and showcase light there's sometimes where we'll be doing something it'll be late night and it's like yo look through the camera even if it's on a night vision camera cameras are able to like corral all of the light pretty much and put it into the shot so it's like night vision, these cameras are. So whenever we're watching and it's dark on TV,

we have to remember that. If it's dark on TV, it is much lighter on the TV than it is in real life. It had to be very dark. He's saying that they couldn't see the shots. That's like trying to sneak in around at night on a course at the local municipality. Ridiculous.

And Ricky was wearing prescription sunglasses. So it's not like he had prescription glasses in his case. I think that's what he was saying. He legitimately couldn't see the shot. He didn't have them on. He needs to get those super same exact glasses, but see-through. Transition lenses.

They're like operator glasses. You just keep two on your back. Let's go to Andrew in Canada. But Ricky Fowler saying, let's also go off with light. Yeah, why am I teeing off at 640? Or glow-in-the-dark balls, I guess. That'd be cool. That'd be cool.

I've seen that somewhere. That's a business startup. Oh, yeah. Khaled's got it in his backyard. He's got that green and all the lights that are like... Yeah, people do it. It's incredible. Sweet.

Awesome. Yeah. They got a sweet one in Saudi. A glow-in-the-dark one? Yeah, like a night course. It's not even glow-in-the-dark. It's actually just baseball lights. Didn't Tiger play there?

Asia has a lot of courses that are aligned with actual lights. Oh, nice. That's smart. It's sweet. That's a lot of property. A lot of lights. Those baseball stadium lights. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Kyle in a lot of property. Yeah. A lot of lights, too. A lot of lights. Those baseball stadium lights.

Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Kyle in California on the 500 phone line. What's going on, Kyle? How you doing, Kiva? Moving. Long time listener. Long time caller. First time talking to the boys. I've got a two-parter for you here, Pat and Connor.

First, you always talk about AJ being an absolute dog at golf. Have you ever considered his mangled fingers act as like a performance enhancer and that you should mangle your own fingers for Tahoe? And secondly, is Conor going to be on the bag again this year? And if so, will he be smoking cigs to check the win like Fluff Cowan did for Tiger in 96? Great questions, Kyle. I appreciate that. Maybe I do need to mangle my fingers to get a little different grip.

Get Bill in here. Bill will get a sledgehammer and chop him down a little bit. He'll love that. Bill, bring tweezers. Bill, you didn't deserve that. For the fingernails, though. Bill, just for the... You know what I'm saying, Bill. Yeah, Bill. You get it, Bill. Connor on the bag. Interesting. We're in the middle of...

We don't know what's going to happen yet at Tahoe. A lot of question marks around Tahoe right now. AJ, you'd agree? I mean, I guess. I thought we were both planning on winning the thing, though. Road to Tahoe is going to end up in victory lane. Can't wait. It's going to be fun to be in the final group on Sunday, isn't it? I can't wait. Bingo.

Whatever group we're in is the final group, though, is what we're saying. That's right. Because we really started brainstorming. We have information now. And we didn't put our thinking caps on for Tahoe until like the last week or so. More focus on the game. Yeah, we're going to start golfing because that's going to take a little bit longer. But Tahoe as a whole, haven't really put the whole thinking cap,

what do we do this year versus what we did last year. We're coming up with some concepts. That's right. We're coming up with some concepts, some ideas, some content. And we do believe that this should be the most electrifying American Century Championship of all time. For sure. Now, this is what happens, though. This is why we don't get invited to a lot of things.

You know, we go to one time, the way this would be. And then the next year we're coming in, we're going to try this whole thing out. What we're saying is we're very excited for Tahoe this year. Connor might not be on the bag. Connor probably not on the bag. Connor will have a very big role, though, in the old American Century Championship, whenever

it comes to our lives, though, whenever we're speaking over here. Now, are we staying in a hotel? Are we staying in an Airbnb? Are we staying in a house? All those things don't need to be figured out. That's right. So we need to start figuring that out real soon. Because the road to Tahoe is getting shorter and shorter as the hours pass.

We need to find that out. And then we kind of just go and do our thing. But we're pumped for it. Connor will have a massive role. Don't know if he will be carrying the bag, though, is final and proper answer to where we stand right now, AJ. So if Con Man doesn't carry it, who might carry that bag well that's a whole nother conversation as well because do i is evy could evy hold up over 18 holes in three days carrying a bag he's like 130 pounds evy is certainly in the conversation but evy who is a twig has been running six minute and 43 uh second miles thank

you so he's been training out here. Now that's with no bags, that's just him. Evie also is the one who knows golf the absolute best out of everybody in this building. I played high school golf where you had to carry your own bag at age 8. Yeah, that was in high school. You were much younger and a little bit more grown. You were getting to swing the club though during that. You get to carry

the bag and never take a swing. That's a little tough mentally, but Foxy might be on the bag, but then that takes away from Foxy filming stuff. Everything is kind of in the middle of trying to figure it out, but we got time. And we got the book this year. Which does matter. Yeah, it's no joke. It gives you

not only the greens, but also if you're in this spot, in the fairway, it gives you an exact number. It's called a laser. You just use the laser. Greens is where we're going to use that book because rob riggle's girlfriend who's a professional golfer in polish yes she had the book and she was in our group and i think it was two holes she told us yeah we thought it was going right. She's like, I should break about two cups left. Par three.

That's crazy. Really? And then rim out, par. It's like, holy shit, that's much better than a double bug, which I certainly would have got if I would have thought this thing was going the other direction. This thing would roll right off it. So some of these greens are a little bit difficult to read. Once again, second year, a lot more information.

You're going into what year now in Tahoe? I don't even know. Maybe 11? A lot of information. You're going into what year now in Tahoe? I don't even know. Maybe 11. A lot of information. I said that last year. I don't use it. I can't execute that information. We've done it all.

Early on, me and Ryan had the books. Oh, yeah, look at this. Look at the green. And then three holes in. I'm like, hey, what's this one doing? He's like, does it really matter? You can't hit it where we're talking anyway. Who cares?

And we stopped using it. Yeah. There's a chance that happens. We're a field we stand up i'm like i think it's i think it's gonna do one of these things go in this right there and my brother's like yep there you go hit it there that's the most i'm a field player we're a field player i don't like to get i don't like to think about it yeah i i agree you know you should at least know which way it's breaking though and if you're going the complete wrong direction, having something that says, no, the complete opposite way is good feel.

Absolutely. That's good for the feel. Good luck. You're saying the book might take too much time. That's what it sounds like. I mean, it's like, yeah, who are you going to look at it and sit there? I've had plenty of times where I'll stand there and I'll hit a putt, and I think it's going right to left, a big breaker.

I'll stand there, and my brother's like, no, I thought for sure it's left to right. We'll both stand there and not know which way it is going. All right, whatever, hit it in the middle. That's what we're supposed to do. Yeah, absolutely. You see three, aim it to one in the middle. LeBron James. Has he responded to Michael Malone yet or is he still in Europe?

I think he's still in Europe. I saw him speak French out there. It was good. Oui, oui. Oui, oui. He's fluent in French? Yeah, he said start your engines. He said,

F1's still happening? Oui, oui. Oui, oui. He's fluent in French. He said, start your engines. He said, start your engines. Multiple engines. F1 still happening? Allegedly. I'm not getting into it. I don't want to do it. They're pretty good. But it's still there, right?

It's still going? I saw a shirtless fat white on the pre-show on ABC. Who? What? On the panel? Like someone working for... No, I was just saying, he went shopping with one of these drivers who looked really cool

and they go on no undershirt with a leather thing. And I saw this guy's stomach and it was literally the first thing I turned on on the F1 pre-show because golf hadn't started yet really. You know, it had, but I don't know. It was irrelevant. I see this guy's stomach on ABC

and I look up in the corner, F1 on ESPN on ABC and I try to stick around for 10, 15 minutes. I'm like, okay, so the pre-show sucks. It's not my taste. I don't know enough about enough. I will dive into the Netflix documentary show. I will learn more, be better. The races suck.

The pre-show sucks. Everything seemingly sucks. D know, I don't... Darius Butler's been selling this thing for a long time. Hard. Oh, shit. Every time I turn it on, I think to myself, how is this on television? But it's not only on television.

It has all the money in the world behind it. I'm like, do they... So it's almost like the brand is worth more than the actual product. Which... Which a lot of people say about us. Yeah. Which I respect and appreciate. But, like, I have not been able to get into F1 at all, any of it.

And that's been a real bummer because I thought that was going to be something I was going to really fall in love with. Yeah, it's crazy. Like, any time that they've had events in the U.S., everybody is there. Like, the F1 Miami, and I think they're doing an F1 Vegas. Like, the idea seems unbelievable but then the first one that was kind of where we all were gonna try and watch was morocco and it wasn't even a morocco morocco morocco ends with an o it starts with an n same guy wins every time can't

watch it or stop no chance when there's no movement yeah there's no movement. Time-trialed race? That's not a race. That's not a race. Wait, time-trialed race? What do you mean? You can't pass the car. You win the bull, you win the race. Fastest lap. It was tough. Maybe we obviously probably don't know. That's not a race. We know. That's what we're saying.

That's what we're saying. It's tough. It's tough. I'm sure you'll get into it. You'll definitely get into the Netflix doc, I'm sure. They did just release an F1 video game. EA Sports did. So, you know, I may give that a run and see what it's all about, see if that gets me into it. Can we connect that to a Cruisin' USA thing?

Yes, you can. Okay. They're building those, right? Those are big places where they have, like, a whole driver set up. Aren't they building, like, specific places that you can go pay money and do it? Yeah, those ones are nuts. We saw a couple of those, Pat. We saw a couple of people ahead of their time that time that had like three or four of them in their

basement so here in indy we did see those you're right there was three of them lined up very high the whole rate were all the netflix stuff they were way ahead of us they might created all that to be honest no they definitely did we they might have been a part of it right at first refusal they might have been part of that whole thing uh but here in india i've seen those sims obviously for the indy 500 drivers and the indy uh indycar drivers very cool very very yeah i've tried to get them in the office numerous times and there's always so expensive so it's always like kind of need a phd to use one yeah impossible to get into but i've used it. I mean, I crashed 15 times one race. Pretty cool. If we had one in here, I think it would get good usage. Bet?

Do we want to? The first month, maybe. Well, just to make sure I didn't lose the bet, I'd fucking be in there every day. That's good. I don't care why you're in there. I don't care if it's every day, though. I think something like that. Like, that's sweet.

You don't get an opportunity to do that very often. You don't have to strain yourself. All right, we'll get one by the end of next week. Get on the electric cars. Electric cars kind of stink getting in and out of. Yeah, they do. Well, this thing getting in and out of too. What's that?

It's a spaceship. These rigs that they have. Nah. We're thinking of the same thing. Nah, nah. We can set up how high it is and do the whole thing. It's going to be tight though.

See, it's going to be tight. It's going to be uncomfortable. Do you have to wear a helmet while you're driving this in? I mean, we should. Yeah, we should have a sweet one. Inspector Reyes. It's going to be uncomfortable. Do you have to wear a helmet while you're driving this in? I mean, we should. Yeah, we should have a sweet one. Inspector Race. It's kind of fun.

Tense Advisor. We'll get an IndyCar one, though, so you can actually pass people. Yeah, there you go. What about a NASCAR? Hey, Pat, we should get – don't you think for Caddy's situation in Tahoe this year, maybe we find a way online to get the full-blown Masters full bibs that they wear, like the full overalls?

Onesie. Oh, that Rick, yeah. We got one. She did. She did. You know, Rob's girlfriend, she wore one. Remember that? Yeah, she did.

I don't know if you remember her last year. Yeah, she was very professional. Yeah. It looked very hot. You go like Stevie Williams, though. You don't wear a shirt underneath. I was going to say, it's Rob. Jeez Louise, guys.

It was incredibly hot out there wearing shorts and a short-sleeved shirt, let alone a onesie bib of pants and long sleeves. Happy you weren't trying to disrespect fucking Rob Rangel. Good Lord, absolutely not. I would never say that. Ooh! Raw!

Absolute dog, apparently. But to your point about how hot it was and uncomfortable it was and how sore I was, I've been on that Stairmaster every morning getting ready for these fucking This altitude I'm breaking in my shoes, I'm on a Stairmaster I'm golfing Have you been punching your gooch to get ready for the jet ski or no?

You were wearing that altitude mask I saw you the other day Damn right I don't know if anything's going to get me prepared for that jet ski Just beating the shit out of my balls That chop That chop. Bro. That chop.

Fight chop. It's a fight chop. That's the best time, man. You got to time it up. They're stopping it. Yeah. And it's like, God damn, I've gotten way too far from home. Well, now I've got to turn around, and now the waves are going the other way. So it's like, God damn, I've gotten way too far from home. Well, now I got to turn around.

And now the waves are going the other way. So it's... That's what it is. For 25 minutes. This is fun. I can't wait. This is fun. I'm having a blast.

The storm kicks up. You see the storm clouds chasing you home. Oh, my God. I lost sight of you numerous times in between those waves. It's like, am I going the right way? I have no fucking idea. Is it going to get dark? Where is it?

AJ's gone. He just vanished. Is he dead? And then wave would go down. It's like, oh, there he is. Okay. All right, so he's jumping on the other side. What a time.

Lake Tahoe plays no fucking games. No, it doesn't. Me and Fox got lost on the way side. What a time. Lake Tahoe plays no fucking games. No, it doesn't. Me and Fox got lost on the way back. Oh, yeah. It was brutal. It was almost nighttime. We're going to have to shoot a flare. Yeah, and you have to avoid the Loch Ness Monster in there.

That's a great point. Chained up. Chained up down there. One of the best toasters I've ever heard told us about that. I'm not talking about a toaster that makes bread. Hot. I'm talking about a toaster that gives a toast. The toaster.

Great toaster. Yeah, the best toaster great toaster yeah the best are you excited to do fucking wim hof with aj's brother so we don't know if that's gonna happen or not i don't know if my alarm clock for four days is ryan hawk beating the fuck out of it there's a chance yep that's an institution in tahoe dude you can count on him that's what he does every morning yeah wow morning? He naturally wakes up at 4.30. He can't sleep past then. He's going to be swimming and doing push-ups and messing around out there. Has he been working out? Has he gotten a little

softer? Does Lake Tahoe have a chance against him next year? Because I'll tell you what, he threw a 40-punch combo at Lake Tahoe one morning, and I thought at some point he had to get tired or run out of water, and he just kept on going. The water got tired. It was unbelievable. It's kind of fun.

Anyways, Connor might be on a bag, might not be on a bag. A lot of decisions have to be made, but we're thinking it's going to be the best American Central Championship of all time. It's going to be awesome. Yep. Oh, yeah. Just figure out where the beds are.

What do you know, AJ? What do you know? I don't know anything. I just know I plan on winning the tournament. Did you see Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Durant hanging out? Yeah. That was cool. Kevin Durant said, I'm a Jet Manders fan.

Get off my back. Don't worry about it. And now that he and Aaron, have they always been buds? Seems like a great relationship possibility. With the limited we know about Kevin Durant, but what Kevin Durant allows us to know about, business savvy, dog, doesn't mind the social media stuff. Loves the dope.

Reads into things, smokes, does all that. Feels like him and Aaron would be fucking like best friends potentially. Did you know about this friendship? Has this been something that's been over time? Or did they potentially just meet AJ? I don't know. I don't know if he had a previous relationship with KD. I know this is where he always works out in the offseason up there so has KD always been there I'm not sure yeah me neither we've seen pictures of him and Bakhtiari there and some

others and he was playing tag with Lazard there obviously before he went over to the Jets OTAs that workout place seems to be fantastic Kevin Durant I fucking love that human yeah yeah and obviously Aaron is one of the most interesting dudes on earth. I would love to be a fly on the wall for their conversation about greatness, about how they handle stuff and keep it moving forward. Could be a great friendship blossoming here, Pac-Man. I think so. Do you know Kevin Durant?

Yeah, I know Kevin Durant. I think they can float around in the same circle. Okay. Oh. Interesting. Same synergies. Kindred spirits, perhaps spirits perhaps oh same vibes yeah kevin durant uh through an ayahuasca is he a plant medicine guy might i don't know he's definitely

plant medicine definitely plant medicine yeah he told dave letterman uh yeah i'm hot i'm hot right now dave please stop asking okay yeah smoke please next question yeah dave what do you think this is do you think uh there's a chance that like florio kevin durant called him a cheap son of a bitch for his uh sports covering uh business yeah what's this all about i see aaron's crowdfunding taking a photo with kevin one day and he's crowdfunding the next day what's going on here i don't understand it was for donations or like there's investments that people want to invest in companies but this was like a go fund me yeah i honestly i don't fully i only know what florio is that real to the real thing is it a real story like how i don't i've never seen anything like that where it's like hey donate

to us but you know it's not like people take on investors and bring money in but i don't know i'll tell you florio the way he laid it out was the only way that I've heard of how this goes. I assume there has to be another side to this whole thing. There's got to be. There has to be. Speaking of other side, our sources have told us that whole New England Patriot thing with I ain't playing for. We want to be a jet. Yeah, yeah, that whole thing.

Our sources have said that Aaron loves Bill Belichick. What? Massive respect for Bill Belichick. No way. There's no way that guy would just make that story up. That's just what our sources have said. Holy shit. Our sources are pretty good.

A little bit of a... Maybe. I mean, everybody has sources. I've been so boned for the last two weeks because of this, too. It was a week and a half, I think. Two weeks is too long. I sensed it before it even came out. What else?

Craig Carton said something else. This guy is really doing it. He knows why Diggs is pissed. Yeah, he knows. Because he restructured his contract so that they could pay DeAndre Hopkins. And they didn't do that. So now Stefan Diggs is like, I'm in Paris. I take less money.

You don't sign my friend. Now I come back. Everybody's talking about my shin pad. Is that what? That's what Craig Carton basically said it was all about. All right. Hey, Craig Carton's leaving the fan in New York. Has a show on Fox every single day we watch it.

Had Plexiglas Burris. Tim Hardaway. Tim Hardaway. Tim Hardaway. Cody Decker. Yep. The other day he also had. Greg Jennings on there sometimes. Greg Jennings.

Greg Jennings. James Jones. I mean, he's doing it. He's breaking a lot of news. I doubt if he knows what the hell he's talking about. No, no, no. Pack, pack, pack, pack. Pack, pack, pack.

Pack, pack, pack. I doubt it. He said if you think it's about targets, that's a lazy fucking take. Make the phone calls. Do the work. Find out it's actually about the restructure. Okay? That is what he said.

And I heard him also say, so, hey, Tony's going to have to show me in the playoffs. Yeah, he did. Doesn't think he's that good of a player. He's going to have to show me in the playoffs. Hey, Greg, as somebody who doesn't know a lot about baseball, I'm wildly confused how this fucking guy isn't in the playoffs either. Whenever it's primetime baseball, especially when you look at his stats

he is leading the Angels in every single stat that they keep in baseball pitching and hitting he's on top of it now everybody's saying he needs to win the MVP or whatever the case is he's obviously the most valuable player to a franchise to a program

but this team still stinks they're not great but they're in a pretty good division it's not his fault one man can only do so much But this team still stinks. Stinks. Yeah, they're not great, but they're in a pretty good division, you know, this year. It's not his fault. I mean, it's not, you know, one man can only do so much. He is fucking unbelievable. He hits a homer almost every single time he's up. I don't know why anyone pitches to him.

I believe he's minus like 450 or 500 to win the MVP. Doesn't matter. The Reds are going to beat everybody. We know that. I would like to see old Cousy in the playoffs, though, and see how he performs. Because we saw him in a World Baseball Classic, the biggest game. Absolute dog. Speaking of the Reds, did you see our friend, our compadre,

also Ohio president currently, Centerville Elk, Kirk Herbstreit, who has recently been entrenched in a battle of the baseball opinions and journalists and bloggers over his fandom and views of the Cincinnati Redlegs. The team that he grew up idolizing and loving in a sport that he was better than he was in football. But he's from Ohio, so he's going to go play quarterback for Ohio State instead of potentially stay in baseball and maybe become a fucking pro player. If you look at Kirk, he is a house. Kirk Herbston is a big son of a bitch. Everybody just sees him sitting on the desk or whatever.

His lower half, massive. Big boy. He was a runner, too, at Ohio State. He didn't want to throw in a ball much. Could have if he had to. His legs are huge. He is tall. And I assume he would have been an incredible baseball player.

If he sticks with that, I think he has every Centerville record in baseball at Centerville High School. But he goes on to play quarterback in high school or in college. Loves the Cincinnati Reds. Last night he said, I don't see Ken Rosenthal going to any of these games. I don't see that other guy that I got into it with. See Trent Rosencrantz. But I'm going to go get a front row seat on this team that I want to battle about and over in

Joey Votto, Canadian, Paisano's return to Cincinnati. I'm going to go with a quarterback of the future for some school that's very lucky to get said quarterback next to Kirk there. The youngest of the Herbstreet boys. Absolute dog. And Herbie had one of the most classy claps for Joey Votto,

just right in his face, letting him know how grateful he was for everything he had done. Kirk Herbstreet was getting eyes on the Cincinnati Reds that he had been battling about on the internet over. And what he saw was greatness. Joey Votto would hit a home run, not this particular at-bat, but another one. And the Cincinnati Reds would go on to win their ninth straight game.

Damn. AJ. It's on fire. The Reds are the real deal. I've been telling you for years. Watch out. Yeah, but they haven't for years. They suck for years.

Because we were building. It was all part of the plan. Oh, this is Matt Canada with Pittsburgh Steelers offense. Ellie De La Cruz. Yep. This guy's a guy. Pac, do you know this dude yet? He's in your city.

This guy is a doll. Absolutely. He's younger than Jake and Ty. Yeah. This guy's real young. He hit a grounder to first base and beat out the... Slid, almost broke his wrist. They definitely told him, don't ever fucking do that again.

Thanks for the hustle. Don't ever fucking do that again. He's a hell of a player. Cincinnati, you guys going to be able to handle the success over there in Reds land? Or is this an inevitable collapse at some point? Oh, yeah. They'll be... Cincinnati, they're buzzing.

They're ready. Ready for another championship it's a good time to be a red fan it is it is isn't it back the big red machine like back in the day the big red machine what they used to call them aj i want to let you know you're the one that brought this up okay so whenever we ask you about stuff don't just be like oh yup yup yup sure reds are currently in first place in the nL Central, obviously 38-35. There was a time not long ago whenever they were very below 500. Who's in third? Okay.

Pittsburgh Pirates won 34 games. They were in first. They were in first. Well, yeah, look at their last 10. They're on a bit of a schneid, and the Reds are hot right now. They've lost four straights to the Cubs by now. They are very much a roller coaster. Who cares?

We won 34 games this season. I don't care what else we do. It's a victory. The rest of the year. 34 times they were able to walk off that diamond and say we did it. That is abnormal. Congrats to the Pirates. If we win zero games for the next

100, who cares? Already won 34. Doing it without O'Neal. The cruise missile too. That's what we've been saying this entire time. You're an 80 win ball club. You're looking at an 80 winwin ball club, give or take. Pittsburgh Pirates? Oh, yeah. No way.

They win 80. That would be a celebration. Bigger parade than they had in Green Bay for that Super Bowl. Bigger parade? So, yeah. Oh, yeah. 80? Pack, did you hear about this? 80 games. Pac-Man, did you hear about this? This guy won a Super Bowl.

They had no parade. In Green Bay? None. That's a curse. What did they do? Packed the stadium. What y'all do, AJ? They had an hour.

They had an hour. 45 minutes. Celebration at the stadium. Yeah, we kind of, yeah. Just went, packed the stadium and had a stage. They did a lot. You can ride around in Green Bay. Exactly, Pat.

You might as well walk around the goddamn stadium. Where you going to go? I guess in 96 they had a parade, I think. That one road. Yeah, where Ace Hardware is. Go up and down that town. Tell them the best part, though. About 100 yards.

Free parking for every fan that came. Pay five bucks, get a chance to go in there and celebrate. That'll get donated to our charities. We will take care of it. And then free parking in there. We just learned this yesterday, though, Pac, and we started piecing some things together. Yeah.

Haven't won a Super Bowl since. No. Have they been to one since? Are the football gods potentially saying, we bless you with our highest honor. And what do you do? A lapper on a stadium? Walking.

There's supposed to be a parade down Lombardi Lane. Right past that place that has the cheese curds. That's right. At least go to Ace Hardware. Ace Hardware. Did you eat at any of the local establishments when you lived there? Yeah, it's all local establishments really there. Smart. Good call.

That makes a lot of sense. And they didn't support any of those local establishments when they did that. There's not an Applebee's? Oh, there's Applebee's. Fridays? Not right in Green Bay, no. That's a miss. They love that brownie.

Yeah. You have to order cookies, though, to get this brownie. The cookies stink. They are so bad. They spent all of their time and effort on this brownie recipe, and they just completely forgot about the cookies that you're forced to buy alongside these brownies. It's foolish.

They need to figure that out. But the whiskey glazed ribs. Oh. Wait until you have the whiskey glazed ribs. They are to die for. I don't know if you're going to see me eating any of those things. I don't like a lot of sauce on anything. Neither do I.

They're actually lightly sauced. It's lightly sauced. It's very lightly sauced. Nice and incorporated. Yeah, it gets nice and incorporated with the meat. Very gentle tang on there. I've got them two weeks in a row and I bet my life I will get them this Friday.

Well, I'm happy for you finding your thing. Every day is Friday at Friday's. Welcome to Moe's. Let's go to the call. Let's go to Joe and Indy. What's going on, Joe? Fat boys, AJ, Pac-Man, how you doing? Good. Yeah.

Huge fan, long-time listener. This is probably my third time calling. Atta baby, Joe. Let's go, Joe. Three stars on the captain thing. That's cool. Hell yeah. Long-time mafia.

Yeah. We got it All good All good Nailed it You guys are awesome You are too Mom talk

But anyway I want to talk about So the Colts got rid of Frank Wright And then He goes and gets hired Pretty quickly Over at

The Panthers WD-40 on that door Last time I called in Last time I called in, I talked about how Frank Reich needed a mobile quarterback with his offense. They brought in Matt Ryan the year after I called in. Obviously, it didn't work well. And now he has a rookie QB there who's going to be quick. He's going to be fast. But Frank Wright is being pressured on if he is going to let go of the play calling to his other guy,

which was my big thing, was, like, get rid of that responsibility, bring in somebody else. But then now we have that whole cyclical, you know, you bring in a good guru, teach up a QB. What team are we talking about? Oh, no. Please. The NFL State. AJ. This guy's talking about if an offense coordinator is good,

he's going to get hired as a head coach, so he's going to hire another one. You bring in an offensive guy to be the head coach, you hope that he's an offense coordinator. This is what Joe's saying. Keep up, AJ. O-H. Keep up. I have a hard time keeping up, Joe. I'm sorry. That was on he's offense coordinator. This is what Joe's saying. Keep up, A.J. O.H. Keep up. I have a hard time keeping up, Joe. I'm sorry.

That was on me. Wake up. That was on me, Joe. Come on. Continue, please. Joe's clear as day. He's laying it out. Talking football, dipshit.

You got it. You got it. Remember when Mitt taught you what a cover two defense was? Little Phil knows what Joe's talking about. Yeah. Little Phil's walking right over there with a sweet haircut. Okay? Yeah.

Little Phil looks so cool right now. He's so athletic. Yep. He knows what the hell Joe's talking about. Little Phil's walking right over there with a sweet haircut. Okay? Little Phil looks so cool right now. He's so athletic. He knows what the hell Joe's talking about. And now, we need Little Phil to hit that

another basket because last time he was in there didn't he win us all some merch or some money? Hell yeah, you remember the legacy

that Little Phil has. No, he's not your puppet, Joe. I'm a long-time listener. Hey, we appreciate you. What do you think? Do you think Frank should call plays or not call plays? Yeah, couldn't really. So the big thing is, I don't think he should. Okay.

All right. In Carolina. Yes, AJ. Jesus. That's where Frank Reich is. Jeez Louise. How do we take anything serious around here? I don't know.

If you're not going to listen to any of the words being said by anybody, what are we going to do? What the hell? It's a talk show. That's the problem. I was listening to all the words being said. No, you weren't. He did get a little wordy there.

I thought he didn't know that Frank Reich was in Carolina, to be honest. No, he was trying to piece it all together on whether or not he should call plays in Carolina. And I heard what you were saying, Joe. Who's his coordinator? Josh McCown. Josh McCown the coordinator or just the quarterback coach? Who is those? Parks Parkington. No, it's not Parks Frazier.

I can't believe that guy got the gig. He was the only... Hey, Parks is going to be a great coach. Yeah. Plus, he did a pretty good job. They scored... 33 points in the first half. Bingo. Boom. It's Thomas Brown. Tom Brown.

Oh, Tom Brown. Tom Brown. That's a great hire. Tom Brown? Yeah. Yeah. Tom Brown's going to go and do a great thing. Yes, he is.

Use this clip later when Tom Brown's introduced as a head coach for somebody. Tom Brown's in his first season as offense... okay, for the Carolina Panthers in 2023. Joined the team after mostly serving as assistant head coach tight ends coach for the Los Angeles Rams in 2022. Brown joined the Rams as running backs coach. Anyone with tight ends? Yep. You know. Great tight ends in LA. Everyone knows that. Offense runs through Higby. Yeah, but he took a cup of coffee with Sean McVay. Bingo. Pretty sweet. Frank Wright's calling this place. Yeah. He's got a quarterback that he likes. Higby. Yeah, but he took a cup of coffee with Sean McVay. Bingo. Pretty sweet. Frank Wright's calling this place. Yeah. He's got a quarterback that he likes.

I sure hope. Yeah. He's aggressive, too. He'll go for fourth and 15. Oh, yeah. They're saying Bryce Young's the cock of the walk down there. That's a very nice swagger to him. Humble yet swagger.

I like that. And they got the golf sim in the locker room. Adam Thielen's down there bombing balls and catching balls. Love catching balls and bombing balls. Nothing better. All day long. Ain't that right, AJ? That is correct. You said it beautifully. Oh, you're listening.

Catching balls and bombing balls. Interesting. Bombing balls in the golf course. And punting them. There's Parks. Yeah, Parks Frazier's back down there. Obviously, he's passing game coordinator. Let me get this whole thing figured out. Oh, yes. James Campin. He's O-line. He's a great O-line coach. Okay. Deuce Daly's there.

He's a dog. Yep. Dog. Parks Frazier. He wasn't having a good time in... Assistant head coach. Yes, they got Dom Capers. Keep going. I got Dom. The Dominator's there. His hair is always good. Yeah. They're going to have so many amoebas if Dom's there. D-Hall. They got D-Halls.

Anagira Averro. I forgot about that. Yeah, Denver, right? Last year? Yeah. He was potentially up for the head coaching gig. Yes. The Exhaust.

Oh, Fitz. I love Fitz. Tabor's been around a long time. Formerly of like five different teams. Fitz, though, started in the Indianapolis Colts organization. Peter Hanson. Is that Chris's brother? Look at that guy.

That guy's a fucking animal. He is. That guy would run his face right through. Holy shit. Have you ever met a linebacker coach that won't run his face through a wall, AJ? I don't think I have. Yeah, so Peter Hanson's put that forehead right through some cinder. I think Parks Frazier was in this season of I think you should leave.

I'm pretty sure he was in a couple skits. I'm serious. You feel good about that? Parks Frazier's taken enough, hasn't he? Well, to be honest... This guy was forced into calling plays as like a 15-year-old. Yeah, I should've looked left, but James Campin was actually in the skit about them throwing

water on each other. I'm serious. Both of them. Let's get a christen. Not all white people look the same. You racist. We started the day with him being racist. That's not racist. Do you hear Pac-Man was super racist this morning? What happened? He is crazy. He's super racist.

He's crazy, dude. Towards who? Black people. Jack Jones. Because Rosemary's Pachuccio. Yep. Whoa. Oh. Because Rosemary's Petruchio? Yep. Whoa. Excuse me?

Whoa. Whoa. Who is that? Hold on. What? Petruchio, is that what you said? I know. Okay, that's three of you.

I wasn't on the show, but I know. Ty, you want to say something racist, too? What do you mean? What do you mean three? You, Tony. No, Pat started it it and then you were. I didn't do anything. This guy was the poochie.

What's your name? It's somewhere in there. I got one of these. I can say that. I know. Excuse me. I got the horn. It's fucking Scarpacci.

Scarpacci-o. No, that ain't what it is. He's getting it wrong too. You're racist as hell. I thought it was. What is it? Rosemary's poochie genie? Jeez Louise. It's getting it wrong, too. You're racist as hell. I thought it was Rosemary. Oh, what? Is it Rosemary's Poochie Genie? Whoa.

Geez Louise. It's not an genie. You disgusting pig. It's a Chio. With this horn on my chest, I am so disgusted with the way her name is something along those lines. Rosemary's Poochie Genie. Oh. I really did.

It is Sparkoochio. There it is. Scappiccio. Scappiccio. Scappiccio. Scappiccio. Hey, Scappiccio. Hey, Scappiccio. Hey, Scappiccio. There it is. Scapiccio. Capiccio. Capigio. Capiccio. Hey, Capiccio. Hey, Capish.

It's Capaccio with an S. Capish. I forgot. Oh, my God. My dad. Capish. Anyways. Is he still in Italy?

I thought he was going to stay in Italy forever. He had quite the trip back. Ended up having to drive from Jersey to Pittsburgh, I think. Oh my God. Welcome back to America, Paisan. Great to have you. Anyways, Scapaccio. Scapiccio. There's an I, not an A.

It's an I after the P. Scapaccio. Paisana, Scapiccio. Boom, nailed it. She basically came out and said that everybody that's talking about this is talking about this because it's a black dude with a gun, and they're basically being racist, pretty much. So that was one of the things. She said it a lot of times about why everybody was talking the way it was and everything like that. And Pac-Man, out of nowhere, goes, did you say anything about the gun in the bag, though?

Oh! And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is that what she's talking about? What the hell? Jeez, Louise, you're part of the problem. Yeah, you're forming that narrative. Anyway, she did say that, and we have no idea how that helps him in court, but hopefully. Yeah, he's good at what she does.

Undefeated. This lady's gotten two murders. She is. She's not guilty. First degree murder. Not guilty. Another first degree murder. Not guilty on something.

She is. The only words that she hears at the end of the trial is just, not guilty of another first-degree murder, not guilty of something else. The only words that she hears at the end of the trial is just, not guilty. Boom. Nice. And that's what Scapaccio does. Scapiccio. Capiche. That's what she says at the end of every single... There you go. Her name is actually at Rosemary

Scapiche. Yeah, it is. Because she says that at the end of her statements. Scapiche. And then that's it. Move to the next. I want to see that. He had two bags. Skapish.

When he went down to grab the one, they both had the same amount of weight in it because he's going on a long trip. So people would say, well, two guns, I'd be a little bit heavier. Well, he's going on a long trip, a lot of stuff. Also, didn't want to check. Have you ever tried to check a bag in modern airlines? Impossible. Skippish.

Yep. And then he. And then that's how she gets so many innocent verdicts. It's like everyone's like, you heard it. Not guilty. Skippish. Yes. You heard her say skippish, right?

Ah. Boom. Bonus, bonus, bonus, bonus, bonus, bonus, bonus, bonus. Hey, Skippish. Skippish. Skippish. We're on your side. Yes, we are.

Skippish. Jack Jones seems to be in trouble, though, whether he was white, black, or anything. A lot of trouble. Just would like to let that be known. That's where this particular program stands. Yep. Even with racist-ass backstabbing.

Ah! There it is. Capisce. Capisce. Capisce. Let's get the hell out of here. We can't thank you all enough. That'll be good vibes going in tomorrow. Non-racist vibes tomorrow.

How about it? Yeah, how about it? Bring those, Patrick. How about it? Not me. I didn't know. What are you talking about? You definitely. No, no, no, no, no.

And then what did you say? You said something terrible, too. You called her Guy Fieri. Yeah. No, I did not. Yeah, you did. No, no, no, no, no. And then what did you say? You said something terrible. You called her Guy Fieri. No, I did not. Yeah, you did. I did not. I said that she came to judge some awesome double fried fries with some awesome gator sauce. Donkey sauce.

Whoa. You're disgusting. Everybody needs to put their disrespect aside for tomorrow's program. Thank you. Tomorrow will be a big non-disrespectful Wednesday. Yes. Skapish. Skapish. Good call. Skapish. Shrespectful Wednesday. Skapish.

Good call. Skapish. Smell me. That's her smell me. Skapish. Smell me. All right. Be a friend.

Tell a friend something nice. We'll be back tomorrow with a big one. Big shout out to Paul Heyman for stopping by instead of Seth Rollins. That was cool. Yeah. Where was Seth Rollins? I don't know. We're going to find out.

Do we really not know? Dude, honestly, I guess like in the WWE world, there's so many things that can happen at any given moment because there's so many moving pieces or whatever. But I do find it fascinating that they market it. Yeah. Hey, send me a text. Is there any way?

You know, here's some big news. You want to do anything? We'd love to announce that if you could. All right, certainly. We'll send somebody to be on the show or whatever. Give us some names or whatever. I'm like, cool. Seth's been on the show before.

All good. And then... And Paul Heyman answered. And Paul Heyman's on it. Showed up. After one last night getting marketed that Seth Rollins... So we hope Seth is okay. Yep.

Seriously. Yeah. He did get stomped like four or five times. Yeah, it did not look good. Big match tonight. He's got a World Heavyweight Championship match tonight. Is this a work? Is this a work tonight. He's got a World Heavyweight Championship match tonight. Is this a work?

Is this a work? They got a program happening? You're always working yourself into a shoot. Brother. Let's get out of here. Big thanks to Wyndham Clark. He was cool talking to us. Awesome.

I hope he wins again. Me too. He's gonna. Yeah, because all he does is win, win, win, win. Wyndham Clark. What does his caddy call him? Dub. Dub.

Sport. He actually said, come on, Dub, when he was sitting over the putt. He said, come on, Dub. That was the first time he said it. Yep. I was like, ooh, do we call the ball Dub? And then I thought, oh, his name starts with a W. Cool. 50-1 this weekend.

Are you kidding me? Lock it in. Which one? Which one? Is that all? What are the odds? Coming off of majors, it's tough to back to back. $20 million is still out there, though, too.

And he's not rich yet. Nope. I mean, he's certainly doing well and just won a couple million. But you get that taste and you're hitting the ball flush and well. It's like, let's just, why not? Ride this thing. Why not? But you're right.

All you need is one hole, right? One hole to drop a quadruple bogey and it's all. Yeah. It's all different from that point forward. That's why golf is the ultimate test of the mind, which he said he has figured out over the last six months, which makes me feel like my money is safe at a 50-to-1 on Wyndham Clark. We appreciate him stopping by.

We appreciate all of you for allowing us to do this every single day. Wait until you see the video that old Jake Erbo put together. Pretty sweet. It's awesome. It is. It's pretty cool. Behind the scenes of the Jack Carr thing. We're calling it PMS Mocs.

Ooh. You know, HBO Mocs. Yeah. We're calling it PMS Mox. Ooh. You know, HBO Mox. Yeah. We're calling this one PMS Mox. Okay. Because you're getting maximum information about what's going on at PMS. That's right. Like that.

You get a little title? Yeah. Not bad. Herbert did pretty good on the video. He did. He did. Very good. Did a great job.

And he took control, you know, to make it. Yeah. A little bit too much. He just shut the fuck up. A little bit. Yeah. I'd say. In some parts, but I liked how I liked his

sense of urgency to accomplish a task, which not a lot of people have anymore. No. Seems like he's on the right path here. Especially in his generation. Foxy's got a little video department now. Some of them are getting a little bit too confident. Yeah, he's got to crack that whip. Herbie's a good kid. Herbie's not the only one in there. I mean, Talk's in there as well. a little bit too confident. Yeah, he's got to crack that whip. Herbie's a good kid.

Herbie's not the only one in there. I mean, Talk's in there as well. A little bit too much. Foxy's doing all, just sending them all Steve Weatherford and Gary Vee videos. Just getting them ready to run through a wall every single morning. We appreciate those types of vibes. Also, yeah, you guys are on Scorsese. Let's go ahead and slow it down here a little bit.

Crack the whip, baby. Foxy's a good leader, though. Foxy's a good leader out there. We appreciate it. But this Herbo video is incredible. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Herbo, dude. That boy, Herbo. Herbo.

Shout out to Kirk Herbstre, too. I had a perfect, I mean, his clap. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So good. His hand was bent over because of how hard he was. He was, like, catching it. Yeah.

I clap lefty every once in a while whenever I want people to think I'm sophisticated. Just because it looks. Sure. I clap lefty naturally. I naturally clap lefty every once in a while Whenever I want people to think I'm sophisticated Just cause it looks I clap lefty naturally I naturally clap lefty I also hold my fork in my left If I'm cutting a steak I have a knife in my right hand And a fork in my left Gotta eat that way

Well I guess you would be like There you go Don't you have to put on those braces on your hand Just to like Hold the fork Yeah you're like Wolverine Like a holder Yeah Yep Yeah

Did you see Herbo was wearing He decided to wear His football padded Pants Double colored pants Again today He's fashionable

The guy made a great video He did He has pads on Yeah Nah Hey you know what It is time to chop him down Nah

Great video Now's not the time Chop him down I just don't There's No you do He did a great video. Now's not the time. I can't chop him down. I just don't. No, you do. He made us sing him happy birthday. It wasn't even his birthday. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, pretty sweet. Hey, you guys give me a kick. That was his birthday. Yeah, that was crazy. What an alpha. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things he's been doing, you know? Yeah, you know what? I'm out on him.

What's that? I'm glad we just had this conversation. Hey, he made a great video. He did? Yep. Yeah, and then he did all his other things. Still out on him. He is at that age, though and then he did all his other things. Still out on him. He is at that age, though, where

he's still very impressionable and, you know, it is kind of our task to let him know, like, that ain't it. Or, hey, more of this. So I do take that task pretty heavy on the old heart with him. I think he's been doing a great job. Way to go, Herbo.

Proud of you, Herbo. Happy got a haircut, too. That looked terrible. Yeah, that's the other thing I didn't like. What? Came in here. Oh, dude, I'm going to grow my hair out. I love your hair.

I'm going to grow my hair out. Fucking Mark comes in the next week. He cut his hair. Oh, he looks professional. He looks classy. He took that slap in the face. I did. Yeah.

Because he said, wow. Oh, gee, you saw what the end of this looks like. I don't want to do that. I can see why you maybe don't like him. Because that's definitely what he said. All said, wow. Oh, gee, you saw what the end of this looks like. I don't want to do that. I can see why you maybe don't like him. Because that's definitely what he said. All right, prick. Not a lot of people will say that they're going to grow it out. Like, you know, Pac-Man.

He's got unbelievable long hair. How long has that gone? Forever? Huh? Hair. I cut my hair probably every two months. Keep it long forever, though? Yeah.

When was the last time you were short-haired? Ooh. Uh, 2008. Damn. last time you were short-haired uh 2008 damn that's a long time ago 15 years i do like how you always keep yours dyed or doing something you're willing remember he was just gonna shave for no reason yep listen if this happens i'll do this it's like didn't have to do that yeah didn't have to do what you just did at all. You're willing to do it. I do feel like you feel like the hair is a part of the accessory, though, to the entire.

Because you look super cool today. Most definitely. Those are Carhartts. Yeah. I think a Carhartt pants are in there, right? Yeah. That's not. Holy shit.

Look at you, Pac. Young. Huh? You and Marv talking. Oh, look at young Pac. Wow. Jesus Christ. You look kind of fat in that photo.

No, you look jocked. Oh, yeah, yeah. I had to be right up for my neck surgery. Bingo. Hope you're happy. Oh, see. The guy couldn't even move. So he wasn't in a lot of shape.

Remember tomorrow. I was. I was. Don't you ever forget. They don't have to believe in the fat boy. Mm-hmm. They didn't believe in the fat boy. It seems like it worked out. Don't bet against the fat boy.

I'm not saying you're a fat pack. However, if you were. Don't bet against it. Oral Roberts down 2-0 to TCU. No. That was an elimination game. Uh-oh. Yeah, what the fuck?

I thought I was watching something that mattered last night. It didn't. They're just playing somebody else. Well, those are the top two teams. So now, like, LSU, they got beat, so they play again today. Elimination game. Against Tennessee, right? Yes.

Yeah. I'm here on album. Oral Roberts is in this thing? Oh, yeah. Remember McGee was talking about usually one team who doesn't belong will be there. Kind of the underdog Cinderella story. That's Or Roberts this year. Let's go.

Remember they beat Ohio State in the NCAA. I didn't know we had a McGee. It's not there yet, but you know. Seems like you're just doing Southern Hasty. Yeah, kind of. Kind of. Yeah, it seems like I've heard that accent before. But you just, did you slot it to an owner now that is McGee?

It was the same accent as the barbecue ribs from earlier i believe the whiskey tang yeah yeah yeah and marty do you do a different one for marty nah marty would probably be in the same dialogue so i do need to kind of clear peyton peyton's more of a you know kind of mouthful marble. Louisiana. Yeah, exactly. It is a little different down there. That's awesome. Can't wait for everybody to hear these.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like Lou Holtz already knows. Shout out to Lou Holtz. Shout out Lou Holtz. Lou Holtz knows what's coming whenever we go to ESPN. I think there's some people

that have no clue what's coming. Yeah, I would assume so. And then all of a sudden they're going to be like, well, that wasn't me. Holy shit. That does sound just like me. Their friends are going to be talking to them. Did you just say, I'm listening. Did you then all of a sudden, I'd be like, well, that wasn't me. Holy shit. That does sound just like me, though.

Their friends are going to be talking. Did you just say, I'm listening. Did you just say, blah, blah, blah? I don't know. I did not. And then call the PR, HR.

And then a call to us. And then a clip explanation, content explanation. Will you stop that? No. Sorry. We are so sorry. It's just how it's going to have to be, AJ.

And, you know, you're always going to ruffle some feathers But I think a lot of people are going to love it too Because you're incredibly talented pal Just like the people that watch this show are You all the ability you have to watch something that's terrible Is second to none You watch this every single day

And we're incredibly grateful for it We'll be back tomorrow with a big time show Tell somebody something nice honestly It can change your entire life Goodbye