The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 936 - Dan Orlovsky Makes Amends, NFLPA President JC Tretter, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Dan Orlovsky making a mistake on his scorecard yesterday and actually shooting an 83 not an 82, all the different Patriots moves that have been made over the last day or so, the NHL Draft last night, and everything else happening around the world of sports. Joining the progrum to make amends for lying about his golf score yesterday and to decide what his donation be is 12 year NFL veteran, ESPN NFL Analyst, and friend of the show, Dan Orlovsky (3:39-12:12). Next, NFLPA President, 9 year NFL veteran on the offensive line, JC Tretter joins the show to chat about the NFLPA’s new executive director, the process in which he was selected, why they’re excited, what they’re trying to get done, and much more (20:21-48:42). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Dan Orlovsky is a Disgusting Liar Thursday. June 29, 2023, this program starts right now. Sports are happening around us. The NHL draft was last night. We will certainly dive into that because there was an epic moment whenever Carey Price didn't know who the fuck they were drafting. And also there was potentially the next generation of the NHL picked to the Chicago Blackhawks. We'll dive into that because that is a sport and things did happen. Baseball is happening as well. There's some lacrosse taking place.

The United States is playing against every other country. Obviously, we're beating the shit out of them in a world lacrosse championship, so we're excited for that. We'll also take some phone calls on a 5-hour energy phone line, 1-833-432-3663, 1-833-4-DA six six three one eight three three four we'll have jc treanor on the nfl president okay not the executive director the president about the process of firing or hiring a new executive director as demoree smith stepped down out of nowhere wild demoree smith's been in there literally since i was drafted my rookie symposium was his first time, I think, addressing NFL players as the executive director.

14 years he's been doing this thing. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, he's stepping down. He's out of here. Boom, here's a new guy you never heard of. He is now in charge. And as an ex-player, an ex-player that we talked to, excited to hear from J.C. Tretter, who was a part of the decision-making process, about how it all went, why we picked this Lloyd guy, and does this mean insurance forever?

We'll also have Lane Johnson on, another big guy, big guy Thursday. Lane Johnson has the offensive line masterminds, I do believe, next weekend, which is very much like the tight end university and pass rush summit and everything else going along. All the big boys gather up to work

on some technique, have some beers, and enjoy some fellowship amongst the big guys who don't get enough respect. We cannot wait to chat with Lane. He's in the middle of a media run right now. That's right. He was on Good Morning Football this morning. Looked like his beer was a little disheveled. A real close-up shot of him on his thing.

So I called and talked to him about what time he was going to come on this program, and he said, I'm in Napa. That was like 6, 10 a.m. or whatever they had me up for that thing. I was like, Lane, you crushed it. Can't wait to chat with him. Can't wait to chat with A.J. Hawk. And joining us in about 30 seconds will be that lion. For kids.

For kids. Mother fudger. This fudging guy. This guy. Anyways, the Talks Table is here. At Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connornor and at boston connor's mall yeah looks great still growing in fantastically one half of the hammer down cowboys looks great wearing a pittsburgh pirates gift i do believe right yeah the boys are back on a run this

came from the pirates organization you know since we've since they feel like they've been trying a little better oh you can say yeah you said we we heard it you know they like they've been trying a little better? Oh, you can say we. Yeah, you can say we. We heard it. You know, they've reached out to us. They've sent us that beautiful jacket, some jerseys, stuff like that. It feels like we're really building a budding relationship with the Pirates. It does. It's nice being there. It also feels like they're attempting to win. They gave a guy over $100 million.

That hasn't happened in a long time. Excited about that. Baseball is tough to talk about, so that's about enough. One man has played in the NFL for 14 years. Damn. One man has said that at the age of 39, he could run a 4.5 flat or faster in a 40, no problem. Actual quote, I could jog a 4.5 right now.

Now, whenever he was coming into the NFL, he ran a 4.2, 8.40, and obviously ran one time, said, I'm not running it ever again. Ladies and gentlemen, Icon, Pac-Man Jones. Yeah, boy, Pac. Pac, we'll talk about your 40 that is potentially happening after the show today or potentially not due to weather, AQI, and other outlying factors that popped up this morning.

We'll dive into that and more. But joining us right now is a guy who decided and Pencil pimp. He is a pencil pimp yes that is a good way to describe what he did just yesterday and that's right i guess that is something that happens in golf but you would hope it wouldn't happen for philanthropy purpose no not for kids for a donation charitable purposes you would hope somebody wouldn't do that you would hope that their competitive drive would drive them to a point

where they would become a pencil pimp and kind of be a prick about the whole damn thing. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who scored an 82 yesterday at Oakmont when he needed to score below an 82.5. And then some internet sleuths said, I just did the math. That ain't...

That is... That's an 83 there, Dan. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Dan, I appreciate you interrupting your workout to stop by and talk to us. And I would like to put it on the record that although the Internet had told me and everybody else to check the math on Dan Orlovsky's Oakmont card, the Internet told me to do that. I had not reached out to you and said, Dan, fucked up what you did.

A little bit. Dan, on his own accord, now I assume he also saw on the internet the corrections and the tweets that came, he texted me and said, I fudged up. Okay? I fudged up. I actually shot an 83, and I would like to correct that. But let's do the math again, because if you did fudge up, now we got to wonder about everything you say if you can't do simple math.

That's right. Now, this happened in the middle of the show. So whenever I got sent this, it's not like I'm going to go, okay, what did Dan shoot? Let me go through every single one. Dan, let me know. Dan is the quarterback guru. Five plus four is what? Nine.

Okay, you put those two fives together, that's what? Ten. So that's a 19 there. Okay. And then you add the three. Oh, the guy got a birdie put those two fives together. That's what? Ten. So that's a 19 there. Okay. And then you add the three. Oh, the guy got a birdie right there. That's 22. 21.

What's that? And that's what happened when I was adding on the phone. Huh? Oh, he had 21 there instead of 22. That was where it went wrong, huh? You got a birdie in your face. Everything just collapsed. Holy shit.

This is the best hole I've ever had. Oh, my God. Am I at 22? No, can't be. It's got to be 21. I got a birdie on Oakmont. Everything just collapsed. Holy shit. This is the best hole I've ever had. Oh, my God. Am I at 22? No, can't be. Got to be 21. I got a birdie on Oakmont. They need to deduct another one. Is that what happened?

Or how did we miss? And, you know, I trusted you, Dan. Yeah. We did. We all did. We. The golf community. Everybody.

America. Trusted you, Dan. Well, how'd this happen? Why'd this happen? There was no ill intent involved. You weren't trying to pawn off a donation because steven a has said that brother is cheap yeah you weren't trying to how this happened dan and would you like to explain yourself a little bit i prepared a

written statement it sounds like uh aaron when he didn't want to get the vaccine but i do appreciate whatever you're about to do same thing floor is yours i didn't prepare a written statement um so i did not see it in the mentions what happened was get done with pittsburgh on the phone with you i believe i texted you with two holes to go saying hey i need to par out to make 82 or to beat the score whatever whatever obviously didn't do that i went bogey bogey I think I made four bogeys in a row. What happened was, call you 82, this and that.

Get in the car. Did not go to Prune High School or Plum High School. Whoa. Whoa. Good one, bro. Almost as good as your math. Prune High School. Jesus Christ. Keep going, dude. It's Plum. You okay? You okay?

Well, I'm kind of disgusted, even more disgusted. At the level of disgustivity I was, now it's getting worse. I get on the plane, land. My buddy calls me, and he said, you're an idiot. And I said, what's up? He goes, you shot 83. You miscounted on the front. I said, no, I didn't.

I shot 82. He said, you shot 83. FaceTimed me, and he was like, five and four, nine. Five and five, 19, three. And I go,, 5 and 4, 9. 5 and 5, 19, 3. And I go, 21. He goes, 22. Oh. So just what?

Like one of those things like 19 and 3, 21. Like that's just how you. 5, 5, 10, 2, 2, 4, 10, 10, 20, 19, 3, 21. How is that even? Like that's your net because you did it on the course, obviously, with the scorecard. And you also did it on the course, obviously, with the scorecard, and you also did it in the plane. So your brain has just always thought 19 plus 3 is 21.

That's like a little cheat code for you? No, I didn't do it on the plane. I did it, like, at lunch right after, right? Like, kind of when I texted you or FaceTimed you or called you or whatever. And then didn't do it until he called me and told me, like, you miscounted. The locker room, that would cost him another $2,000. Yeah, he got to get taxed yeah i gotta get taxed for yeah you gotta get at least you know because he even did the i mean i'll tell you what i really think that i purposely said 82 but also put the evidence on social media to disprove that interesting i think what you did is a good case study about how if you write the

right narrative in the caption the actual image and things do not matter. Do not matter because I, that happens to us. That happens to us a lot. Come on, on the internet, it'll always matter. Well, yeah, at some point, at some point, which you might not have read, you might have been able to, I might be able to sneak by. Yeah, they won't notice. All these dipshits on the internet. Listen, people have done a lot of crazy things in their uber competitive drive to win exactly like especially in this modern era yep there's people doing some

crazy crazy things crazy things to win stuff now it was supposed to be a thousand dollar donation yeah gotta tax you for lying yep yeah it's 2500. And then since it's like the way it is, and he called our high school Bruin. Took a victory lap. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, came on. Sorry about it. Yeah, just the whole victory lap thing. And then he did the three out of ten.

Hey, just want to let you know. Yeah. It was only a three out of ten on hardness. Also. Normally a hardness. So $5,000 donation. You make it right. And he just kind of.

He's got to kind of wear that one. Sorry, dan that's what's happening you don't care about the kids first tee dude first tee i don't agree with five thousand dollars well sorry dan that's what you should have thought of that 21 oh they won't even notice don't you think that is worth that? And then in the locker room too, drained full. Just gave Oakmont my best day. You know what I mean? So pumped. Because he's a model now. True.

So that type of look is at least worth something in there. Absolutely. Sell one of your Blazers to pay for it, Orlovsky. All right, let's meet at $4,000. Easy. You donate $4,000. Yeah. Come on. Come on.

$4,000 for miscounting and telling you about it? Well, you lost $1,000, so it's going to cost you another $1,000. That's $2,000 for the kids since you didn't go to high school. Yeah, bingo. Boom. And if you're miscounting 19 and 3, one of your kids ain't going to college. So don't worry about that. Take it out of that fund.

Whoever has the 19 and 3 equals 21 brain out of your kids, just go right to that fund. You ain't going to college. Honor in the face. You know what, Dan? That's funny enough because I have a question for you. Do you support the troops? Because I honestly don't know.

At this stage, can't. Don't want to donate. Lie about your score. Hate the kids a plum. What? And then also, potentially, but he is speaking at a PLL event. Oh. Yeah.

Did you see that? Okay, whatever that fee that they're giving you. Yeah, boom. Bam. Add a can of corn in there. You know what I mean, Dan? I don't get paid to do that stuff. I just do that because I enjoy it.

And also, good connections for your kids later. They're in the classroom. It's good play. Good business play by you later. It's a good business play by you. Good business play by you. With that being said, let's just put the value of that. I'm so happy when you called me this morning. When I texted you last night to tell you about it, you were like, you're going to have to come on the show.

And I was like, all right. I'm so glad I said all right. You're a good man, Dan. You're a good man. Whatever're a good man whatever you decide to donate okay whatever you decide to donate it'll be more than enough for what you've given back to society with this very genuine meaningful apology that you've delivered here from outside your gym and we want to let you know we're incredibly thankful for it aren't we oh yeah thank you dan in your corner dan we're on your side dan do the't we? Oh, yeah. Thank you, Dan. In your corner, Dan. We're on your side, Dan.

Do the right thing. This guy donated five grand to First Tee today. Wow. There it is. Let's go. Good guy. Good person. All right, Dan. Thank you, pal. We appreciate you. Are you still going to make a thousand dollar donation? Sure. Sure.

For the good of the cause. All right. Donate to the troops for Boston Connor. Fucking amen. All right. Donate to the troops for Boston Connor. Fucking amen. Hell yeah. Amen. That was great. Genuinely, he's so defeated.

Yeah. He's defeated. Not that he can do that. No. Just got out of a workout, too. He's exhausted. He probably just did the Murph. That's the type of stuff.

He does the body weight stuff. Definitely hot in Connecticut, too. It's hot everywhere. You know what they're saying? Oh, yeah. 83 is a pretty good score, too. Like, he probably felt pretty damn good about it. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, but it can't be. Now I wasn't a bet. I know. I can't believe any of that either, by the way. Yeah, was it an 83 or was it a 93? What tees did he play from? Well, they already said it was shortened and it was a whole thing, so I don't even know if the tees matter

at this stage. Probably, I would say probably the I don't even know what tees they have there. There's like a combo tee at some places, like some of those really nice courses. It's for like normal humans that play the really nice course. It's in between like the tips

and like blue. It's like a combo thing. I would guess if his handicap is what he says it is, he probably played the tips. Yeah, would have to. But is his handicap what he says it is? I doubt if he played the tips. He beat the shit out of everybody there, huh? He did. Yeah, he played well. The whole crew was like, damn, Dan's killing

it. And he's like, yeah, shot an A2. They're like, yeah, probably. You know what I mean? I believe it. He probably played the blues. Chuck and Kevin were like, definitely. You know what I mean? I believe it. He probably played the Blues. Chuck and Kevin were like, definitely. You know what I mean? And then Clib's over there saying, I believe it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, Clib had no clue what was going on, though.

Clib, we told the guy. What is Kevin's score, though? Can you all read that? Kevin has 9, 15, 22, 27, 30, 46 on the front. 10, 19, 29, 37, 42 on the back. 88. 88. Yeah.

88. Not bad, hey. Jeez. Way to go, Kev. A lot of sticks out here. Also, Dan kind of fell apart on the back nine there. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he said he had four bogeys straight.

Yeah, he got it in his head about it. That's why. Oh, he said, I'm goinggeys straight. Yeah, he got it in his head about it. That's why. Oh, he said, I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him. But naturally, that was the golf god saying, you already lied. You remember? Mm-hmm. Because he lied on hole five or whatever.

Right. So he wrote that 38 down. His round went to shit. All right. Well, let's move on before we have J.C. Tretter join us to talk about the new executive director for the NFLPA and how that whole thing came to be kind of out of nowhere. Let's talk about before we have J.C. Tretter join us to talk about the new executive director for the NFLPA and how that whole thing came to be kind of out of nowhere. Let's talk about what happened last night.

Last night, the NHL draft was, and you could watch on ESPN, which I did, or on NHL Network, which I believe the boys did. Right. Right, Ty? You watched on NHL Network? Well, you know, I wanted to. I wanted to watch. I was watching it on ESPN, and I couldn't keep watching.

I mean, Bucci was great. Everyone they had up there was great. I just couldn't help but notice that they lacked one specific weapon of mass destruction. Okay. One man by the name of David Satriano. Okay. He was absent from the ESPN coverage because he works on NHL. I bump over to NHL, and he's not on there either.

What? I said, what the fuck's going on? Okay, this is bullshit. I don't think I've ever heard of this guy until maybe this morning whenever I received a message from him. He is an NHL Network employee? I believe so, yeah. Big-time hockey writer.

Senior hockey writer. A long time. And I loved his coverage yesterday on 60 Diamonds in the morning where they went over the 60 best draft picks of all time. It was good. And you tweeted, does anyone know who this weapon of mass destruction

on NHL Network is? And you would say that that description of this man now named as Dave is a compliment. Massive compliment. I think all of us would agree. Say I if you think being called a weapon of mass destruction is a compliment. I. Okay.

Called TC that recently. Yes. Yeah. And he's speed flying. Don't throw WMD out there fucking. Oh, willy nilly. Exactly. So what happened?

Why has this become a topic of conversation if he wasn't on the draft last night, which is what we're trying to talk about well because david satriano uh didn't take kindly to this he dm'd me and basically said uh you know like you're a scumbag you gotta know what you're doing on social media i wasn't doing anything you ruined my day he didn't like what people were saying in the comments which i thought were rather tame I mean, we've gone through a lot of stuff recently with us going to ESPN. Like, there's a difference between taking it on the shins and really taking it on the shins.

Yeah, taking a weapon of mass destruction to the shins. Exactly. Like an actual one. Exactly. So I basically just said, like, hey, listen, sorry. It was a compliment. It was meant to be a compliment. I can't control what people like, hey, listen, sorry. It was a compliment. It was meant to be a compliment. I can't control what people are going to say in the comments.

I just can't do it, you know? I apologize. And he said, oh, yeah, I'm sure you did. I'm sure you liked my coverage. I said, all right, whatever. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with this guy. And then, of course, I wake up this morning at about 6.30 with a text from you. And he essentially DM'd you and he emailed Phil.

And I can only assume this guy was trying to get me fired for tweeting this yesterday. No way. You should have seen my surprise when I got this message. I was baffled. I had no idea what was happening. I was reading his message yeah it was very well thought out he informed me that he'd been in media longer than i have been and then he referenced the reputation of ty and our show in there whoa he was not happy we was not so i

had to look back and ask what happened. I called Ty in the office. Which you never do either. Never. Not Ty, anybody. Ty, what happened? And then Ty just shows me that tweet. And I go, this is what this is all from? There has to be more.

And Ty goes, well, he DM'd me and I told him it was a massive compliment because it was a massive compliment. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I would view that as a massive compliment as well. And then I get to follow up that Phil got an email as well. Yep. He was pissed. Well, we would like Dave to know. Hey, we're on your side, bub.

Absolutely. I'm never going to say anything nice about anyone ever again. So, you know. No. It's a good rule of thumb. That's a cross that Dave Satriano is going to have to bear. Yeah. Because I'm never going to say anything remotely nice to anyone ever again if that's the responseano is going to have to bear. I am never going to say anything remotely nice to

anyone ever again if that's the response I'm going to get. Don't let this guy do that. Don't listen to them. I'm with you. I'm never saying anything nice about anything. No, that's what everybody else says. That's the

medal of honor of compliments. We got people saying it's a disrespectful comment. of compliments. And we got people saying that it's a goddamn disrespectful comment. No way. I stand with Ty here. I'm not backing down. I stand with you as well. Oh, my God. No.

Any more nice stuff being said. No. No more. Not like this. Now I guess we'll just point out when people are being assholes. Can we at least look at the comments to see if they were that bad? No, no, no. We don't need a spotlight. I didn't even see you.

But what we need everybody to know is Dave's just trying to do his job. That's right. That's all Dave was trying to do this entire time. We were trying to honor it. And he did. Anyways, let's move on.

Okay. I'm happy we kind of handled that. Yeah. Dave, we're on your side. Look, we even got a fucking stick. Look at that. Exactly. We'll even give you...

You know what, Dave? For the great work that you did... Yep. Now I did think about fire and tie. Yeah, which is definitely what he wanted. I mean, has he seen what you bear every single day? Baby Lord L. Yeah. His network's trophy.

Anyways, we do apologize for the misunderstanding, Dave. And Connor did bring up some things while we were kind of trying to figure out how to handle all this. And Connor wanted Ty to tell Dave that he'd been fired. Yep. And he now has to move and his house is going to go into foreclosure. Excommunicado. And I would like to let everybody know I was the adult in the room. I said, let's just address it on the show

and let's move on. Ty's not been fired. Dave, we hope to see more of you. And you are a fucking weapon, dude. Absolute weapon. Absolute weapon. No, but we can't say that anymore. Oh, yeah, you're right.

Resend that. All right. Joining us now is a weapon in the football world. Yeah. He is the player representative at the highest level of the NFLPA, voted on by his peers. An absolute dog, big brain having fella. Ladies and gentlemen, J.C. Tretter. Yeah, J.C.

What's up, J.C.? I see you got froze there in our stick taps for Dave Satriano. We'll call you back, J.C. We'll call you back. Oh,ana. We'll call you back, Jason. We'll call you back. Oh, man. We will call you back. Oh, boy. And you know what it might have been?

You called him a weapon. It turns out a compliment. That might be Satriana in there. Yeah, it's going to be. What was the reputation he mentioned, by the way? I didn't know. No, he just said,

I know Ty slash your show's reputation. After he had said that he'd never heard of me or had no idea who this guy was. Well, he said his friend had to show it to him to tell him who it was. What is the... Hmm, that's interesting.

Yeah, I don't know. I would like to hear what that is as well. Kind. I was reading his message, and I felt bad for him because I'm like, obviously this guy hasn't been on TV a lot. Like, pal, you should see every time I'm on TV,

anything I do, I get killed. This is just kind of a part of the gig. Things happen on the internet. People are going to say stuff. So whenever somebody compliments you, I think you get it. That's why I was so taken aback. You got to eat those. Exactly.

Bookmark them. Hopefully Satriano finds his way on TV more. I'd love that. What's that, Pac? Give him a kiss. You're giving him a kiss? Hug? Hugging a kiss. You're giving him a kiss? Hug? Hug and a kiss?

Yeah. Satriano is going to go stick, gloves, jersey on all of us. And we need to know that. I wonder if he was trying to get me to fire you, though. That's what you thought it was? Yeah. I really did. Because I thought at first when I saw that he had DM'd you, I was like.

Oh, my God. When we get ESPN, it's going to be so loud. Oh, yeah. Times 50. Oh, yeah. it's going to be so loud. Times 50. Oh yeah. That's why we're not complimenting anybody anymore. It went to the press. Just avoid this. Dude, that's awesome. I would like to hear Phil's first thoughts whenever he read it.

I cannot wait. Like Phil reading that. The way Phil kind of handles everything. Him reading that. This guy the fuck out of my email. Joining us now is the president of the NFLPA, a player with a massive brain, also a massive piece of the decision

to hire the new executive director of the NFLPA, which is Lloyd Howe, which we obviously all knew who it was, J.C. Trenner. J.C., how you doing? Doing great. Doing great. Hey, congratulations on the new executive director, right? We're happy about this.

We're happy about this. And also, how long has this whole process been going? I did see you tweet out that you were very proud that you were able to run a confidential search for a new executive director and kind of kept it under wraps. And everybody in that room keeping a secret is impossible in 2023. Everybody in that room keeping a secret is impossible in 2023. If you could just lay out how we got to this point and why Demoree Smith is stepping down, I think we'd be very, very appreciative, JC. Absolutely.

Yeah, I'll take you all the way back to 2021. Dee went up for re-election. He made it known to the board that he was going into his final term if he was reelected. So the guys knew D was on his way out, was going to move on. And we had a really candid conversation about how to properly transition the role. And we knew we needed to cast a wide net, find kind of the most possibly qualified people we could. And we knew that was going to take time. So D was reelected. And at that next rep meeting in March of 2022, we started laying out what this process was going to look like. The EC was up for election. So we kind of framed it as the EC that the board elects at this meeting

is going to really be driving the search. And the board entrusted 11 guys to start this process and to run it. And we had our orders from the board. So this process has been really going on since March of 2022. We went out and hired a search firm, Russell Reynolds, who was wonderful to work with. We did internal and external stakeholder interviews. So we reached out to all the reps, the EC, the senior staff at the union, former players, former player leaders. And we asked them, what do you look for in a leader of the union? Who should we be looking for? You tell us and then the EC will go find it. So Russell Reynolds handled those interviews, put together a document,

and then that was our job to go find those things. We opened it up for anybody to apply. Well, we had Russell Reynolds going out and looking for qualified candidates, but we wanted anybody who felt like they should be the next executive director to be able to apply to put their hat in the ring. It was then the EC's job to vet and qualify the candidates. So the EC spent, I kept track, 570 hours of work vetting and qualifying candidates, interviews, background checks. And that's not, there's 11 of us, that's not, we have a one hour meeting, that's 11 hours. We have an hour meeting and that's one hour total.

So we had 570 hours of meetings as a group. So it was a ton of work by the EC. The board understood that if we really wanted highly qualified candidates to get involved with us, some might have jobs, some might sit on boards. They don't want their names out there because it makes it really uncomfortable for their current position if they're looking for a job. So they understood if we really wanted the best of the best to get involved to potentially lead our union going forward, they wanted us to keep it confidential and do everything we can to

bring the best of the best there to them. So we brought them to the board this week. The board had time to interview. I know some people say the board needs to vet and qualify. That's not the board's job. The board's job is to interview and pick the best. Our job was to vet and qualify as an executive committee because we were never going to have 570 hours to give to the board for them to have time to vet and qualify. That's why we put all the time in and all the work. And then in the end, the board picked an awesome new ED. And I think the vibes of that room when the announcement came down were unmatched. It really felt like you won a football game.

It felt like you were back in the locker room, the celebration. It was just really awesome. Okay. Well, congratulations on that. That's a lot of hours spent by the executive committee, which I believe is like super player reps, right? If we were to describe this to humans that were kind of outside of there the executive committee normally vets kind of been around a long time you guys were acting as the gm

in this entire thing then the coaches kind of had to figure out who you guys put through with the selection group now you said that like nobody really knew about this so were you able to get the best candidates like you know like how does that like let's say for instance i wanted to be it in not saying that i would ever want to do that but i think my resume would qualify as a pretty good person to potentially lead the nflpa i had not heard of it and i'm not even talking about me in this particular case there's probably other people that did not hear it as well maybe there were executives who had thought about it or is that not the case and i'm not saying i would want to run i'm just saying i feel like we're pretty dialed into the nfl into everything going on with players and we had no idea was happening but you guys are saying that

the people that needed to know that it was happening did happen and everybody was able to keep it tight that's an incredibly impressive thing in 2023 jc yeah Yeah. So one thing, yes, you very well could have applied. So we in, I believe it'd be November, we put out an open inbox where anybody could apply, send their name in. And we had many send their name in to say, I want to be considered. And we also gave the option for board members to recommend candidates to the group I want to be considered. And we also gave the option for board members to recommend candidates to the group that we would then consider. So again, our focus was going out and finding the best of the best. And we all believe we did. The EC believes we presented two to four best finalists to the board for consideration. And in the end, the board clearly,

I mean, they can speak for themselves. I think you saw their responses after the announcement came out for the board members are at that meeting. I think they all spoke very highly of their pick and the process itself. Got it. Okay. So I must've missed the inbox. That's 100% on me. I hope that those who would want to get the job have heard it and you guys were able to talk to them all because obviously have a lot of respect for your brain. Let's talk about Lloyd Howe. What really shined through for him? Because I guess they were saying he'd been doing business with the NFL for a long time at his previous company. So obviously he was a familiar face to the NFLPA or how did he end up getting the gig, you think? No, actually he does not have

a football background uh i think somebody wrote an article that booze alan hamilton which is the company he used to work for did analytical work at one point for a handful of teams for the nfl booze alan hamilton is a major consulting firm uh potentially the biggest consulting firm in the country. So they have a wide-ranging company. One of the projects was working with an NFL team. Lloyd had nothing to do with it. I think what guys really liked about Lloyd was his analytical approach. I think he has a proven track record of high-stakes negotiations,

as well as creating and building and developing high quality teams, and also the ability to galvanize a group behind a common goal. And I think that probably is the most important thing for our leader to be able to do is to be able to come into the locker room and galvanize a group to believe in the union and to believe in the mission. And that's what the next executive director had to have. And the guys were confident Lloyd had it. You said building team is one of his strong suits. So that means the Maury Smith's team and group is kind of out. He comes in with his own team. How do you see the transition process going, JC? No, I mean, again, I don't run

the staff. So Lloyd runs the staff once he starts. He hasn't started yet. We're finalizing a contract and he'll get started when we figure that out. But his history is in change management, which is really kind of a fancy word of stepping into an organization, evaluating their strengths, evaluating their weaknesses, and then building it up to be better than it was before. So that's not saying, you know, everybody move out, we're bringing in everybody new. I think Lloyd is very bright, very smart. We'll look at the entire organization, see areas maybe that we haven't even started building yet. And we'll bring new people in that we have a new, you know, maybe a new category, a new area that we haven't expanded on before that he brings in. So that's kind of his background.

So I don't think it's anything on the current staff at all. I think it really is about Lloyd and his abilities and what he's done and accomplished. And the guys really like the vision he put forth to the board of this is what I see and this is what I want to do and the guys loved it. Awesome. I assume every ex-player that was asked he just said lifetime insurance is all we care about. Yeah. Is that all they said and is Lloyd pitched a vision for that or is that a topic of discussion for the NFLPA because every player in the NFL is going to be a retired player at some point but not every player in the nfl is going to be a part of the nflpa forever yeah i think lloyd has some interesting thoughts on on health care in

general he sits on the board of ge health care um so he has background in that um he has understanding of that he has connections in in the health care community so that's kind of a neat wrinkle now lifetime health care isn't as simple as it seems. One, you need to have a company willing to give it. And I know I've heard you in the past say, you know, healthcare, I listen to you, Pat. Let's do that, JC. We're all sending. I'm not the only one.

I'm good, actually. But I got a lot of friends that, you know, I think it would help out immensely, as do you. It's literally the conversation of pretty much every retired player. So it's not, I understand it's not an easy fix, but that feels like a good one. That feels like a good one, you know, like a good one. Yeah, as of now, and it's been, I've pulled documents as far back from like 2007 of people looking into it from the union of can we do it? The problem we found is no company is willing to sign up for lifetime health care in which they are guaranteeing it for life. They guarantee it for I'll try it out, but we have the right to stop it.

That's not really lifetime health care. And you can't tell people you have lifetime health care. And then the company says, you want to know what we're terminating this. And now you've kicked everybody out and you don't have any benefits for them. So one, that's a problem. Two, the cost. We've looked into the cost, and it is very, very high as you would expect. And the rising cost of healthcare will continue to go up, and making sure we have money in the benefits of our pot. We get 48.234% of all revenue, and that's where we pay for everything that goes to players. So if health care costs a huge portion of that, then it either is we slash the salary cap to pay for it,

because we don't have enough in our benefits pool to even pay for lifetime health care at this point. That feels like something that should be negotiated in the next CBA, a part of it almost. And I mean, I don't understand what those negotiations are like, because it seems very adversarial, I think is a word, but you understand what I'm saying between the NFL PA and the NFL. Is that an accurate depiction? Like does Lloyd have the mindset that whenever he's negotiating, you said he's been, you know, in some high stakes negotiations. This is a, he it's expected that the NFL is going to try to just fuck over the players all the time in every business move? No, I don't think so. I think we talked a lot about kind of negotiating strategy.

And I think we're looking for somebody that is multifaceted in that. You don't always have to go to the mat. Relationships matter. Conversations matter. But also eventually sometimes when it comes to it and you need to kind of bring out the big bat, you got to bring out the big bat, but that doesn't mean you always have to. And, you know, having the leader in place that understands when the right time to do each is,

is important. But that was definitely a conversation that came up in the meetings of kind of what is your negotiating strategy and how do you, how do you look at it? Do you know any of the other finalists? Will their names ever be made public or never? No, we want the focus to be on Lloydoyd uh we don't we don't want um you know we had a group of board members there to make the decision um and there's you know our focus is on who they chose and we're going to focus on lloyd and what he's going to accomplish

uh and our support's a thousand percent behind that that i think uh i think we might have a video um of when we announced. I think you'll see the energy of the room and the guys and how excited they were. I mean, it is a very cool feeling. I can't, again, give enough credit to the EC who poured a bunch of their free time into this. And then the board of reps who, again, showed up that meeting and said, like you said, you know, nothing stays secret anymore in these days. And for having all those guys to show up and say, no, we still value confidentiality, still value doing the right thing. We still value kind of the name of the NFLPA. When people look at the NFLPA, they're going to realize that we take this serious and we do the

right things. Having, you know, 47 guys show up and say, yeah, we're all committing to it. We're not breaking. That doesn't happen very often anymore. Not normally. Hey, 23.8 days. Damn. 572 you said hours? 570. 570 divided by

24 equals 23.75 hours. Jesus Christ. Just straight through. That's unbelievable. Hey, thank you for your hard work. Hope this works out. And I enjoyed hearing that, like, hey, relationships matter because I was always so confused about how you do business because we need each other, right?

NFL needs players. They know that. They know that they need players. Players need the NFL. We absolutely know that. The money is only going like this. It feels like, let's go shake their hands. Let's figure this out. But you do got to take a stand whenever you're dealing with billionaires. So good luck to you. Good luck to Lloyd.

And thank you for executing a confidential process that normally would never happen in this world that we live in. So way to go, JC. Absolutely. I appreciate it. Thank you, man. We appreciate you. Oh, Zito just asked me this and I guess I should ask you. Um, so it's being alleged now that Isaiah Rogers, uh, for the Colts senior is going to be suspended for a year or something like that. And the NFL is doing these like conferences about what you can do, what you can't do. They laid out a full, uh, deck pitch

deck basically about here's what you need to know. Don't gamble on your team. Rule number two is look at rule number one. Rule number three is look at rule number two. Then look back at rule number one. Don't do this whole thing. Then when you're on a hotel like they did this, are you guys, how does that whole thing work? Because it sounds like a lot of players and everything like it were acting as if they didn't know what they were allowed to do, what they weren't allowed to do. And obviously we're at a pretty pivotal point of this whole thing as sports gambling is growing and the NFL is as well. What's your guys' stance on that?

How are we handling it? And is there anything kind of happening behind the scenes that we don't know about? Yeah, I think I'll start with, I think, three points. One, you can't gamble on NFL football. I think we can all agree on that. Agreed. You can't do it. Never been able to.

Never should be able to. Can't do it. so i think that's the first most important thing to get out of the way can't start the conversation without it um two i think it moves to um being adaptable and using common sense and a couple years ago when the pro bowl moved to vegas uh the rule was you're not allowed to gamble on work time and the league said that means when all these pro bowl players go to vegas you can't gamble there um and obviously those guys were pissed because they didn't want to go to vegas not be able to go play cards um and a lot of them said i'm not going like i'll skip the pro bowl it's not i'm gonna go uh and then to the league's credit, they were adaptable and used common sense

and realized, well, what's the point of this? Is this really integrity of the game? And they came to us and approached us, and we carved out a year-by-year side letter agreement allowing Pro Bowl players in Vegas to gamble on their free time, which, again, we commend them to, when you talk about conversations, that's a conversation. Um, and now I think we look at all this stuff going on with the, um, gambling rules and how gambling has kind of changed in

our culture. And I think what is confusing to guys is, um, where the common sense is when we talk about integrity of the game, uh, how do you compare different things that are legal versus illegal? And then how does that make sense? If you're trying to I know the league has tried to double down on these rules and explaining them. But when you're explaining a rule that its core seems confusing with its issue, it's it's it's problematic. When I played in Cleveland, if I finished up on Saturday walkthrough, got in my car, drove down to the Jack's Casino downtown Cleveland.

Three stories. Sweet. It's a great casino. It's a great casino. We complimented Jack's who went to show. This is the thing. We're saying something nice. Exactly. What's the deal? We're just trying to the show. This is the thing. We're saying something nice. Exactly. Yeah, boom. What's the deal?

We're just trying to say something nice. That's over. That's over. Saturnelli. Yeah. That's not his name. That's not nice. Santorini.

Sorry. That's not nice either. That's a beautiful place in Greece. I don't practice Santorini. Sounds like they did a full thing, Pac. Did you hear him? He said since March 2022 or whatever. Yeah, they completely changed. I did not hear about it, though.

I didn't hear about it either. That thing makes sense. But he hear you, Pat. I wanted to ask his ass, what are the three things that you're going to tell the Lord that the players want or that we need to change? Supergrass? Because grass is rare. There's a whole thing.

The gambling thing is one. I think he's coming back on. I think he's coming back on. The grass thing is another. As soon as he gets back on. Pat. Less preseason games. Preseason games, I think he's coming back on. I think he's coming back on. The grass thing is another. As soon as he gets back on, packed up. Less preseason games.

Preseason games, I think it's kind of all figured out. Coaches and players feel like everybody's on the same page. Yeah. Except for Josh Jacobs. Right. You know what I mean? Josh Jacobs is the only one. Well, where's part two?

Go ahead. He plays that early, and then he has the best season of his career. Now it's, hey, you saw what we did last year for you. Yeah, contract year, too. I mean, what's going to happen? I mean, there's a lot of reasons we could say that was completely not the Hall of Fame's fault. We can't connect to them. All right.

Okay. So, no more compliments. Super grass. Super grass. That would have been a great next question. I don't love how secretive it was. That's weird. I do respect how secretive it was.

You respect how secretive it was. Only reason why I respect it is because, like we were saying, the NFL see everything that we're doing as far as the NFLPA. And this is the biggest fucking business in the world. So I'm quite sure that he could have found fucking Lord and sent Lord in there, you know what I mean, and still pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. And I enjoyed the fact that the reasoning behind it was like, a lot of these people are at other positions and they're on boards

and they don't necessarily want their bosses to know that they're potentially looking for another job. Very valid. Yeah, it makes sense. Very, very. Joining us again, J.C. Tretter, the NFLPA president. We apologize. That's on our end, not yours.

We complimented Jack's Casino. That's a couple times we complimented things over the last 24 hours and all has gone to shit. That's right. So we apologize. That's 100% on us. But you said if you were to go down to Jack's Casino. That's a couple times we complimented things over the last 24 hours, and all has gone to shit. That's right. So we apologize. That's 100% on us. But you said if you were to go down to Jack's, you weren't able to really do anything?

No. If you're at home, play for Cleveland. I could go to Jack's. I could play for eight hours blackjack, go to the team hotel after, and there's no problem. No violation. You go as a Brown. You fly to New Orleans.

You walk across the street. You play two hands of blackjack, you come back. That's a suspension. And you have these different kinds of nuances of the rules. And when they're described in a way of we're protecting the confidential or the integrity of the game, I don't know how you compare those two situations and say, oh, I get it. He played two hands of blackjack on a road game, so it's integrity of the game, but he played eight hours at home, so it's not integrity of the game. And I think that's the tough thing where guys get

confused. Even if you try to explain these rules to them, it just doesn't connect the right way. So I would love, this is a league policy. I would love similar to the pro bowl situation for the two sides to come together and talk about kind of some common sense ways of handling this with how things are changing, how the landscape is changing that better connect to how players view and how the rules should be written. I feel like at this stage of life, where we are with sports gambling and the technology

and the ability to track everybody, which I think is what happened to a lot of these players that end up getting caught. It's almost like we're at the point where that common sense rule could actually work. Like, hey, yeah, you can go to the casino. You can play blackjack. But if you bet on games like we're going to know we're we're going to know whatever. And I think the people the reason why the rules were what they were about not being able to go in a casino one time,

that used to be the rule. Not allowed to accept any benefits. Not allowed to do anything at a casino, pretty much, is because people automatically assume, well, if they get in good with the casino, that means they're probably betting on sports. It's like now we're at the point where we have the technology where we know, like everybody knows.

We can find out if you're betting on sports immediately. So hopefully they'll be able to do that. Adam Schefter just tweeted out a little bit ago. Here's updated list of gambling suspensions over the last two years. At least one year because the bets were on the NFL. Calvin Ridley, Isaiah Rogers, Rashad Barry, Demetrius Taylor,

CJ Moore, Quintez Cephas, Shaka Tony. Six games, non-NFL bets, but done at work. Nicholas Petit Frere, Jameson Williams, Stanley Berryhill. So it's like good luck figuring that one out, JC, but it seems like we are at a time

where common sense could prevail with the way tech is kind of tracking everything else. Pac-Man had a question for you, JC. Hey, JC. My question is when Lloyd get there, we keep saying about how good he is with the business, doing the numbers. But what are three things that you're going to tell them from the players that we need change?

I'll say one of them, the marijuana thing. Grass. I'm sorry, you're going to cut a promo about marijuana. Go ahead. Everybody's doing everything. Ayahuasca, Percocets uh all of this and still getting tested for grass another thing having real grass on all of the fields they're doing it for the soccer players um and insurance you you answered that question but i don't understand if we got half a

billion dollars and one insurance thing how can we not figure out how to get players insurance for the rest of their life yeah i'll take the last one again the numbers we've gotten back is that's about a quarter of the amount it would take uh to get lifetime health care um so it is very very expensive but for lloyd again i'm not going to speak for Lloyd. Lloyd has talked about doing a listening tour, going to players. So this isn't going to be, hey, I'm JC Tretter. I'm dictating the things players care about. No, no, I'm not saying that. Lloyd can go out.

I wasn't saying it like that because you have done the due diligence to go around to know what players want. So I'm asking, like, from you going around, what are your top three things that you can say, hey, look, these guys, this is what they really want. Or this is what we can we go and try to change this? I'd say the grass, the grass and turf is a big one. And when the when the World Cup comes and the teams roll out grass and then tear it up, pay money to tear it up, to put in turf. I still can't fathom that. I think one of the main things. That's a smack in the mouth, Jaycee.

That's a smack in the mouth. Smack your mouth. That's a smack right in your mouth. I think one of the major things too is like And Pat I'm going to talk to you here Alright When The most important thing for Lloyd Is to bring unity

And belief in the NFLPA And I know like a guy like you Pat I know you've got a history Know you're not the biggest fan Would love to talk to you about it sometime Whether on or off air But I think the only way anything gets accomplished Is with players sticking together not the biggest fan. Would love to talk to you about it sometime, whether on or off air. But I think the only way anything gets accomplished is with players sticking together.

And the only group that is capable of creating change for players is the NFLPA. So the only way that gets better is with players buying in, believing, and getting involved. And I think Lloyd's job to accomplish anything, when we talk about the marijuana policy, when we talk about lifetime healthcare, when we talk about grassroots turf, the only way you have the leverage to make those changes is by galvanizing the group of players and getting them to believe in something. So that's the first thing when we talked to Lloyd during the interview process that we had to get the company. Is this somebody who can lay out a plan, can get to know players, can get them to believe in the union? Because that's how solidarity has grown. And with solidarity, you create leverage. And with leverage, you create change.

So I know there are some people with negative thoughts about the PA, some people who had bad experiences. I think I would love, Pat, you know, people who were in that room when we elected Lloyd. I would love for you to ask them what they think of the process what they think of the pa what they think of lloyd and i hope that excites you and kind of changes a little bit of perception at least gives you a little willingness to hear us out i think that would be be valuable all right tomorrow doesn't have to be what yesterday looks like for the nflpa and they definitely won't with a new executive director we appreciate your hard work we hope we do get the supergrass yeah be sweet That'd be sweet. Supergrass would be sweet. Need to Supergrass, especially if it's already

going to be there for the soccer play. Soccer. All grass. Think about how these owners probably talk about the sport of soccer. Think about that. And then for, you know what I mean? Like, think about that whenever they're in that one per club meeting. Hey, this fucking soccer sport, I mean, can't watch it for a second.

They're flopping all over the place, but they sell out our stadiums. I mean, what't watch it for a second. They're flopping all over the place. But they sell out our stadiums. I mean, what are these soccer players asking for? Grass. No problem. Done deal. No problem at all. That's wild to think about there.

Hopefully you guys will take advantage of that. Excited to watch you work. Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the NFLPA, J.C. Trenner. Thank you, buddy. J.C. Grass and grass. They really. That is going to be a war. I didn't even think about that. Oh, buddy. Grass and grass. They really. That is going to be a war.

I didn't even think about that. Oh, yeah. In the process of tearing it up, what they're going to do. Yeah. Yeah. How much does it cost to put grass in there? I think the NFLPA told us it was like $1.5 million or something like that. Oh, okay.

How much are we getting? Probably like $10 to $15 per thing. We're going to sell 100,000-seat stadium. We're going to sell it out. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah. What are we talking about? $1.5 million is just easy.

That's easy. Boom, boom. No problem. Shit, I'll spend $15 million to tear it up. Are we getting $100 million back? Is that what you said? Okay. Oh, fuck.

$1,500. That's $85. That works. That's easy, Matt. Why are you even asking me? Put the fucking grass in. What about for your actual NFL team? Don't you fucking give

those players a thing you're fine that's a wild that's a wild thing to think about i'm happy jc came on and i would like to hear what the conversations are behind the scenes from people that i do know in that room talking about my hatred for the nflpa jc being like how come pat is literally on there just saying he's got no hope in the nflpa all they do is negotiate terrible deals and they fuck over the players every single time they get an opportunity to. And then Thomas Morstead's like, well, he was in the program for 27 months. He got tested eight times a month, the maximum amount. He asked for our help, but we didn't text him for like four or five months back.

So I think that was when you got him. And then you negotiated a deal for his likeness to be sold. And I think he got like $1.15 per shirt while you guys were raking in like $30 a shirt while he had a merch company that he was running or whatever. Oh, and then also you delayed payment like two, three years because you thought you were looking out for the players so you could get money later. But also when doing that, you just put the money into a fund that the nfl got to just make money off of and then they didn't do anything we weren't allowed to do that at all that just all kind of came into a bomb

situation there and i think you lost them there i think that was in jc's like fuck well the nflpa tomorrow's a new one yeah and hopefully lloyd how it sounds like yeah he's a good brain a good motivator, and hopefully he'll be somebody with some business sense, because that is something that I have lacked all faith in the NFLPA for. Like that insurance thing, I know it's expensive.

Apparently. Two billion? Look up how much these insurance companies are worth. And how much they spend marketing. Obviously they have to keep doing the marketing. I wonder what their deals are with the NFL in general. $2 billion is very big, but also maybe it's just like 20 years. Maybe it's 25 years.

But like you said, they can have any ex-NFL player, hey, pop in, boom, boom, commercial. Do a commercial appearance. You can work. It can be an advertisement, slack, a payment. I mean, there has to be a way to make it better than five years, then you're fucked whenever they're talking about most of these surgeries and things at about six, seven years is when it kind of settles in.

There's a reason why the five-year thing was kind of set at some point. So I understand that the search for perfection has kind of gotten in the way of making better, but it's like, can we not get 15, 20 years done? Like, isn't there some sort of something. And once again, I'm no hero. But I'm not speaking for me in all these things. You know what I mean? When we're talking about marijuana tests, and we're not in the NFL,

I don't give a fuck. It doesn't matter. Kelsey said you're speaking for 80% of the players right now. Yeah, 50 to 80% is what he said. I think it would probably be like 70 to 80. I don't know. Well, in the NBA now, too. They're not doing it. For the marijuana specifically,

why wouldn't they just do that? The marijuana thing is just so simple. And it's a win for the NFL. It's an easy win for the NFL, too. I don't know how they haven't utilized that as just like a, oh, I guess we'll give up testing for weed, but we're going to need another pad of practice or two. You know what I mean?

Like there's always going to be something on the other side that's dealing with them. So I enjoyed hearing that Lloyd Howe is at least going to go try to shake their Hans, it sounds like. Because the first speech I heard Demore Smith give, he literally said, we're going to war with the NFL. And I'm like, I have not been in the NFL. I just got drafted a week ago, actually.

Didn't think I was going to get drafted, actually. So I'm just pumped to be ago, actually. Didn't think I was going to get drafted, actually. So I'm just pumped to be here, thankful to be here. I don't know if we need to be going to war with the NFL, though. That doesn't sound like the right thing. Then lockout happens. Then 100 and some days happen. Then we sign a deal because Jeff Saturday goes in with those baby blue eyes and gets the whole thing done.

And then we start looking at the deal and we're like, boom, boom, boom. Did you guys make any progress on anything? They're like, well, they got a billion dollars worth of lawyers. We don't have that. We only have a war chest. Well, why'd you up the amount of money I gotta fucking pay you to go into this war chest? You know, it was just, there's just so much. I had so many questions.

So it sounds like we got the guy, though. Sounds like we got the guy. Yeah. Out of all the guys and girls that we could have got, we got the guy. So I'm happy about that. Like you were saying, too, though, I understand the confidential process and why they wanted it to be that way. But when you do already have that perception that the NFLPA is kind of sneaky and people don't really know what's going on with it,

and then all of a sudden you just be like, hey, this is the new guy. I know no one knows how we got to this point or how this process even went, but we got our guy. That kind of just reinforces that perception among players who maybe don't love the PA to begin with, but it's like, how do you see something like that and be like, okay, well, yeah, I trust the process. I understand completely what they're doing. You can see how people are like,

there's something wrong with what's going on here. I trust the process. I understand completely what they're doing. Like, you can see how people are like, there's something wrong with what's going on here. I'll say this. That guy's seemingly pretty transparent with us. For sure. I trust JC. I'm very appreciative of everything he said. Like, hey, we spent $500. I think Thomas Morstead's in there.

I think Brandon McManus is in there. So there's guys that I have a lot of respect for that are in there making this decision. And the way I thought it was, I thought the more he stepped down, his staff was like let's just put in grabbing the next guy that's what i thought was potentially happening so yesterday whenever jc came out and the executive committee was like no no we did this whole thing that kind of eased my worries a bit and it sounds like they're going to release the room whenever it came out there's lloyd i think everybody in

there is pumped and there's a lot of good dudes in there with good brains. You know, you can't really trust the young guys. No offense to the young guys. But the young guys are happy to be in the NFL. The young guys just got paid from their draft. Young guys are loving they're in a new city. They're heroes, everything like that. They haven't been through a situation yet where in Pawn Stars,

they're the thing on the counter. Once they've been the thing on the counter and they're told what and how and everything, that is when it all kind of changes. And that's why you hear a lot of older players, ex-players say, I fucking hate the NFLPA. I hate this whole thing. It's very rarely the young guys. J.C. Tretter's been around a long time.

Thomas Morstead's been around a long time. McManus has been around a long time. I think it's Aaron Jones in there, I think. There's been a lot ofretter's been around a long time. Thomas Morstead's been around a long time. McManus's been around a long time. I think I saw Aaron Jones in there. I think. There's been a lot of guys that have been around a long time that are in there. Vaughn's in there. Trust Vaughn. Yeah. Definitely. Mason Crosby's in there. Trust Mason.

What was I going to say? Harrison Phillips is in there. I trust Harrison Phillips. Who else? Cam Hayward's in there. Trust Cam Hayward. So what we're saying is. We've got some reputable guys in there. The executives is Richard Sherman's in there, Thomas Morstead, McManus, Jason McCourty. I thought of McCourty. Ryan Kelly, Eckler, Claes Campbell.

Yeah. I like that group. Okay. So I feel good. And if they were 570 hours in this entire thing. Long time. Congrats to Lloyd. I see what you're doing, dude. Good luck. Always go, Lloyd. good and if they were 570 hours yeah in this entire thing long time congrats to lloyd i see what you do dude great time oh lord hey 10 years better than five years 20 years better than all

of them yeah lifetime certainly the dream but you shoot for the moon you miss among the stars pal that's right is that's that real too it's like seven years especially after someone's career yeah like so the surgeries i think i think like a or two, it was all fodder. Like on average? Yeah. There's an expiration on some things that happen, and it seemingly is always after the five years of insurance. And I have some friends that really committed their life to football,

and it's going to catch up to them. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's going to catch. And they're going to what I mean? Yeah. It's going to catch. And they're going to have to figure out how to pay for those things, or there's going to be a miserable life. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Then they get fat. Then dudes turn to alcohol normally. Right. Or pills. Or pills because your body feels like shit. Depression comes in. Depression. There's just so much that kind of just like, fuck it.

Snowballs. Yeah. From not. Domino effect. Yeah. It's crazy. But they got to. From not. Domino effect. Yeah. It's crazy. But they got to play in the NFL, which we all agree. Lucky to be in the NFL ever.

So there's going to be some drawbacks to whenever you play a contact sport, especially when it's football. And once again, I'm not talking about me. I'm just talking about motherfuckers that I know. But that thing on the other end, I feel like they should be looked out for, especially if you're vested and around a long time. I don't know. That's going to be tough to figure out,

but hopefully they'll be able to do that, and hopefully Lloyd will be able to rally the troops. It would be great to try and get him on for you and him to talk. Let's get to a break. We have some updates on some things that are happening. I have to talk to the Minnesota Vikings fans. Okay. I said while breaking down Dalvin Cook,

I said, like, he helps Justin Jefferson. You know what I mean? Yeah. I said he helps Justin Jefferson. And I believe a Vikings, but I don't know how I said it. I must have said it in a way. I haven't listened to it back. So that's 100% on me.

I hate this. No, you said that he helped Jefferson because he get the box, the one-on-one. A little bit more respected. You did. What was wrong with you? You did. I rewatched it.

Yeah, that's how football works. What's wrong with it? These Vikings fans were fucking attacking. I had an article written about me and then quote tweet and they started coming after me. It wasn't an insult at all. No. Bro, I have massive respect for Justin Jefferson. They were insinuating that you said Dalvin Cook made Justin Jefferson.

Yeah. There was people that I was, and once again, I try not to, especially at this stage of life, pay attention to everything. But it got pretty loud over there in Minnesota. They're like, oh, Dalvin Cook helped Justin Jefferson make this catch against Buffalo, you know, that one he made? Yeah, yeah. He made Justin Jefferson here.

It's like I never said anything about Justin Jefferson not being incredible. No. I think a couple days ago somebody didn't have Justin Jefferson on top five wide receivers in the NFL. That is not us. We are big Justin Jefferson fans. Love him. All I'm saying is when you remove –

His ass is getting double every play. Not that he didn't last year, though. He didn't. Not every play. But you're talking about – and Madison might be able to just step right up. Right. I'm just talking about fundamentally whenever whenever there is a star missing from the field, that is going to change the way a defense looks at the whole thing.

Never said Justin Jefferson wasn't unbelievable. No. Just said, like, maybe Madison will be able to earn the same amount of respect from defenses as Dalvin Cook. I think I even said, I hope he does. Yes. Yeah. Bro, they got pissed, bro.

Hey, the run game being good helps the pass game. It's pretty crazy how it works. Yeah. Not everybody. Yeah. I'm thinking it does. Yeah. Hold on.

Just classic football there. Exactly. Anyways, Minnesota Vikings fans, hey, I apologize for offending you. You shouldn't. But we did not make a top five list, I apologize for offending you. You shouldn't. But we did not make a top five list and leave Dresden Jefferson off. No. I'm just strictly talking about Dalvin Cook being a fucking dog and helping any field that he gets on.

Joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion. What? The all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. He is currently the reigning, defending, undisputed, shout out to Paul Heyman, president and champion of Ohio, COVID survivor, father of 10, A.J. Hall. A.J., how you doing, Paul? Doing great. A lot has already happened in the first hour from what I've seen. So yeah,

it should be fun. Yeah. J.C. Tretter came in. Did you get a chance to listen to that at all? It sounds like they really appreciated Lloyd Howell and everything he brought to the table. He's going to be able to galvanize the boys, kind of bring them together, because whenever you have unity, you have leverage. And when you're at leverage, that's when change can be made. I heard it was kind of bars out of J.C. Tretter,

but we went through the executive committee and everything that took place. I feel in a better place today than I did yesterday with it all, A.J. Yeah, I feel good about it, too. Speaking to J.C., which I love J. JC, I think we can trust that he's a human and he cares about the players. But I was more thinking of I didn't understand. I didn't know last night Ty got in an Internet argument with this dude and Warshlawski didn't know that he lied on his card, but he did

and he made up for it. Like all these things already happened. Yeah, Dan took it on the shins real hard. He did. Good. Dave Satriana, he took it on the shins real hard. He did. Good. Dave Satriana, he took it on the shins as well. He just added wrong. He knew that he was right on the number, but he added it wrong.

No, he was wrong on the number. What I'm saying is he turned in a scorecard when he didn't realize that he messed up his math. That's correct. That's what he's saying. Yeah. Which is crazy when you know that was right on the number too. Yeah, when it's 82 and a half

over under. Yeah, he wouldn't recheck maybe is what you're saying. Dan doesn't recheck once he sees it, he doesn't. 19 plus 3, 21. He said it a few different times, but to his point, he came on, earned it, got buried. He did, rightfully so.

He needed to. He needed to hear that yes he sent me a text he said he hates all of us but it's not our fault he lied get in line my thing is when you shoot a 39 you know you shot a 39 that's why it's kind of weird that he wrote down 38 well how about dan lied people people probably people died yeah people probably died. Yeah. People probably died. You know? Orlovsky's a murderer. Put him with the rest of them. Butterfly effect. If we aren't the friends that tell the person of what they are doing wrong, who are we?

Well, you're just as culpable if you don't say something. That'd be too nice. I think the biggest thing. Silence is violence. Boom. Bars. That's worse than Roger's not getting vaccinated. Silence is the biggest killer on earth. We're not 100%. So all these things are accurate. bars. That's worse than Rogers not getting vaccinated.

We're not 100%. So all these things are accurate. Everything that's happening right now. And we're very proud of Dan for donating $10,000. Correct. The first T. When you said five, when you said five, he almost had a heart attack. We were running through it. We were running through it right before

the show. And it was like, what number should we get to? And then we all just casually landed on like, well, $25,000, $5,000. And then literally the intro hits, and then Dan's on, and it's like, Dan, congratulations, you're giving five grand. But now that we thought about it even more, if he doesn't give at least $10,000, has he actually even donated? No, it's not really making a dent unless he commits that much money

to a pot that can save lives after he killed all those people. Dan, you sit middle seat, row 25. What? Instead of spending that money on getting a first-class seat like a human who has had a little bit of success and doesn't mind enjoying themselves a little bit, just take that money and donate it to First Tee because of what you did. That's simple. And you know what you did. You told us

what you did, but we appreciate you. Yes, we got that one out of the way. Ty attempted to get fired on the internet yesterday with complimenting a man, which I don't know if you heard about this. They are now no longer going to compliment people. That is what they've said, AJ. Have you heard that? I have heard them say that. I watched this all play out

on the show. It was actually very entertaining, but I understand where they're coming from. I get it really do don't need you on there said no no our show needs to continue to compliment people the people that reside hey jay if you saw the dm or the email you would also yeah i agree you're on our side to say we cannot compliment people anymore all right well let's continue to compliment jc treanor for the great job that he did okay let's start diving into some news that is happening around the NFL. The Indianapolis Colts have cut two dudes that have been caught gambling on the NFL. Tom Pelissero, the Arrow, is reporting that the Colts have now cut

Isaiah Rogers Sr. and Rashad Barry, who were officially suspended indefinitely today for betting on NFL games. Remember, I don't think I knew Rashad Barry was betting on NFL games. I did know that Isaiah Rogers Sr. was betting on games. I knew he was an incredible returner and a good corner. Had a good little career going and was going to get paid because he was one of the most electrifying people on the Indianapolis Colts. Very lackluster Colts.

He stole some headlines a couple different years. Here we go, big year coming. Oh, he's betting on NFL games. He's fucking done forever. Hello, XFL, USFL. That is literally the reaction that I had immediately, and I was bummed for him. I thought it was incredibly dumb that it happened. I thought it was dumb that he was betting on NFL games.

But I assume one thing could lead to another, and people make poor decisions all the time. But this one's going to be one that kills his entire NFL career, I do believe. And now the Colts have officially cut him. We also are getting more information, AJ. We learned that he bet on the Indianapolis Colts as a member of the Indianapolis Colts have officially cut him. We also are getting more information, AJ. We learned that he bet on the Indianapolis Colts as a member of the Indianapolis Colts, and now a gambling writer for ESPN.com has put out a tweet that there are sources telling him among Isaiah Rogers Sr.'s wagers was a $1,000 prop bet on the over-under of the rushing yards

on a Colts running back this season. Hope he took the over. Well, we actually are looking into that. The under. We don't know if any running back hit over ever for the Indianapolis Colts last year. Honestly, we have no idea. That's

how abysmal the Colts running game was last year. And if you recall, two years ago, Jonathan Taylor was an MVP candidate. The offensive line was the offensive line that we had learned and loved. Didn't really matter who the quarterback was. Just come in, don't turn the ball over. We're going to stretch field a little bit but this run game is gonna be great jonathan taylor gets hurt the offensive line forgets how to play the offensive line and

the quarterback have no idea what each other are doing it was a shit show and one of our biggest positives from the year before jonathan taylor became like one of the biggest disappointments he knows that we all know that so whenever you hear about a prop bet over under it's like i guess there's other running backs they could have bet on as well but i don't remember one game thinking to myself that running back probably got over so what we're thinking is he might have potentially bet on an under of a teammate in a game to have a poor game that's not good we need to hear if it's over under and if it was the colts to win or to lose that is an information that i think the world needs to hear aj hawk don't you think and, and I believe that you would be on my side here,

it matters what they were betting on. If they're betting, not only are they, it's crazy to think you're betting on NFL football, but you're betting on something that's happening on your own team, and it could be against your own teammates. That's the ultimate. That's why Pete Rose isn't in the Hall of Fame. They think he may have done that.

So that's crazy to me. But won't there be different levels of suspension depending on what you did? Too late now. They'll never play again. What team going to pick them? That's what I'm saying. Somebody else that plays to bet on another team. To your point though, Pac, it needs to come out

whether or not they bet over or under on them. Yes, it does. Because if they bet under on them, there ain't a single team that's going to be like, yeah, we want him in our camp. Right. This guy was trying to profit It does. You know what I mean? Because if they bet under on that, there ain't a single team that's going to be like, yeah, we want him in our camp. Right. No way. No way. No way.

This guy was trying to profit off of his non-unification of our team. Yeah. Like, that is not a... He watched practice all week and realized, no run game, we do not have it this week. There's no way that's going to work. None of that. What's the guy's name? Parks what?

This guy can't. Not a chance. No. Not a chance. What is it? He should tweet it out. 75 yards? No way he's going to get it. He should tweet it out. 75 yards? No way he's going to get it.

He should tweet it out. He should tweet it out right now. I bet the over. Send the slip. Yeah, football is over. You might well tell us what he did. You got to send the slip. Dude, if it's...

Boy, they're telling him not to talk at all about this. Yeah. As people are. You better go write a book. And I'm not an expert, and I do not have a degree in anything, actually. I dropped out of college like Steve Jobs. Why? Albert Einstein.

Why? I don't know. I think he finished. They gave him an honorable, at least. Yeah, I'm sure he has an honorary degree. Yeah, doctorate, probably, right? I thought he didn't earn it. He's got a black belt, too, so he did earn that.

So you need to fucking watch him out. I just said when he got his black belt, when he walked through, like, whenever they beat the shit out of you with the other belts, they actually had a diploma, a doctorate diploma at the end of that thing. He put that thing down his pants with his gi, and he turned around and walked back, did the whole thing. But nonetheless, I think this is one that he should get out in front of.

You know, I'm not a marketing or a publicist or a PR person or anything like that. I think this is one that Isaiah Rogers and Rashad should both be like over here by the way. If it was the over, you want to get out there. Oh, AJ!

He won the bet. Maybe he can start a gambling show. He's not going to play football no more, but he didn't make a good bet if he betted the under. It is a good bet, but it's not a good bet if he bet at the under. Yeah. I mean, it is a good bet, but it's not a good bet. Always look at the pause down. Because the environment of a bet matters.

Yeah. You know what I mean? If you knew your running back was hurt or battling through an injury, you'd be like, well, he's not fucking going over today. That's a bad deal. That's a bad all-around. That's the only one I can think of is the Vikings game where you were calling that game of the Oregon State.

We need to hear that it was the over. Okay? Because everything I heard about that Colts building last year, right? Oh, yeah. Everything I heard about that Colts building and others have heard and there was things, you know, like accountability and all that type of shit. Imagine you got a guy in the locker room betting against your own guys. That is the worst culture. It has to be the worst culture.

Like what? Yeah. Of all that, like as a teammate, I don't know much worse that you could do. Yeah. Worse than the Jags. And they had all those complaints. 25% of the. He had to bet the over.

There's no way. It has to be the over. The backup running back was playing against the Vikings and he hit the over on like the second drive. That's the only one I can think of. Okay. He had to back the over. There's no way. It has to be the over. It has to be the over. The backup running back was playing against the Vikings and he hit the over on the second drive. That's the only one I can think of. Okay, there we go. Maybe he was like, that's my dog. He's going to get the ball a little bit. He was just trying to support it. He probably even showed him, hey, this is a guarantee.

Maybe he was being such a good teammate. He was like, I'm willing to put my own money on this guy. Yeah, we need to start thinking like that. That's what he did. He does, though. You've got to come forward and shed some light on this because otherwise everyone is just thinking, I mean, not everyone, but like. Well, you guys because you're not complimenting people. Well, yeah, but it does immediately go to, oh, Jesus Christ,

what if this guy bet on the under, you know? I mean, because like, yeah, is he going to play in the NFL again? Probably not, but, you know, you might still get a chance, like you said, in the USFL or the XFL. But if they find out that he's betting against his teammates, I don't think they're giving him an opportunity anywhere. JT had a run where he went 147, 84, 86, 82. So maybe if he bet the over in that little stretch.

Only that top one, though, because JT's was in the 90s. Because he was an MVP candidate. Not that late in the season it was. Oh, late, okay. He in the 90s because he was not that late in the season it wasn't oh late okay he was an mvp candidate yeah yeah this was late in the season this these were all uh late november this was back when jeff saturday came and was like hey off it's long yeah we block people yeah maybe he was sitting in the meeting and he's like oh jeff's gonna make these boys run the ball yeah against the raiders team meeting building confidence in your teammates too hey look at look at this. I am so confident in you. I'm betting you over. Jeff,

coach, I got a thousand on it. Hell yeah. Yeah, that's a good bet. The rest of the guys get their phones out and start making bets too. Me too. Hell yeah, you heard what he just said to us. Makes the most sense we've ever had. Yeah, let's remain positive. Out of 18 weeks,

you're going to pick only two weeks that he could have... Hey, he's a good teammate. That's right. And we know that he only hit one of them. Do we know if he placed multiple on $1,000 on the over or under? I just need all the news. In the article, it said his highest bet was $1,000 on a

running back. This dude had like thousands of bets, isn't he? This guy loved gambling. I didn't think it was $1,000, though. At least I did. I thought it was $25, $50 bets. I didn't know he was going all that. That's the other one. That was initially reported. In the article, it said most of them were that, but this was his biggest one. He had a good feeling.

This was his biggest bet? Good week of practice. Good week of practice. Well, you know, the Colts have the fourth overall pick. I feel like it's an over. Well, you know, the Colts have the fourth overall pick. Right. I feel like it's an over. Oh, I really don't.

You're betting against your teammate, even though you're not betting against the guys that you play with. What if he hates the guy, though? What if he hates the guy and they had the worst week of practice and he was like, this team sucks so bad, I'm going to make money off of sucking under. I got to send Zito Lane Johnson's number. We'd love to hear Lane Johnson's thoughts on like,

it's 1.30, I believe he's supposed to join us. I believe the offensive line's thoughts, if they heard somebody on the team was potentially betting the under. Are you kidding me? Pat, to your point about getting in front of it too, the Titans tackle that got suspended today, six games, he put out a statement to ESPN that made it very clear he was not betting on NFL games just from the facility.

He was getting in front of it. Firstly, I want to say that it's an honor to play in the NFL and it's been a blessing to play this game. The NFL plans to announce another round of sanctions regarding its gambling policies, and I will be included in this group of players receiving a six-game suspension. The betting I engage in was not NFL-related

and was legal under Tennessee law. It is only being sanctioned because it occurred at the Titans facility. I want to apologize to my family, coaches, teammates, and the Titans fans. I've always strived in every stage of my life to follow the rules. I did not knowingly break the rules.

Even after attending a league presentation, I was unaware about the specifics around placing bets around team facilities. Okay. I will do everything in my power to help the team during training camp and will be prepared when I return to the roster during the season. Okay. So this guy clearly and obviously, because he got a six-game

suspension, was not betting on the NFL. We appreciate him telling that. After going to a league presentation, still not known, you're not supposed to bet on the facility. I feel like it's more of a you thing than everybody else's thing. But I do appreciate him just kind of coming out and saying exactly where he's coming from. Yeah, that's the Jameson Williams NBA games from a team hotel on the road. Right?

That was the last six games that we saw at least a new. He just said the Titans facility, it sounds like. Which they consider the hotel. Yeah, but if he was in a hotel. He wouldn't have said that. He wouldn't have said that. He wouldn't have said that. Saturday, put these college bets in. Yeah, but if he was in a hotel. He would have said he wouldn't have said that. Put these college bits in.

Yeah, NFL related. You know what I mean? He's like, I'm still I know Bama's going to Bama. Let's not. He's like, sue me. Okay, talk about it. We got to walk through. Saturdays are slow. Long mornings. We're just sitting here. I'm watching game day and all of a sudden

I didn't even know these two teams were playing. How much is that? Fucking no way. Yeah, I got to get some action on this. Let me go big. Now, I guess that's illegal. I went to a presentation. You're telling me I can't bet on Bama?

I didn't. What? What are we talking about? I went to Bama. Where did you go to school, actually? Yeah, you probably can figure out what school you would have bet on. Actually, they used my face to stand me in the sports book, so who's wrong? Am I wrong

or this thing? It's legal here. What the fuck? What am I doing? J.C. Tretter said an interesting point. He said, so if I live in Cleveland and on Saturday before checking in at the team hotel, me and the wife go down and we decide to play eight hours of blackjack at Jack's Casino and then I go check in at the team meeting

and then I sleep and then we have a game the next day. All good. If somebody was to come to Cleveland and they went to Jack's Casino for 10 minutes, 15 minutes in the middle of dinner and then before team meeting, they would be suspended because it's a work trip. I would be OK because I'm at home. I guess that could be a little bit tough to understand. But I think like work trip is probably how the NFL is just explaining that. They got a lot of shit to figure out, it feels like, and people understanding what they're allowed to do, what they're not allowed to do.

Definitely not allowed to bet on the NFL, though. We know that. Yeah, and so then, yeah, what is considered a work trip? What if you're driving to a charity event? What if that's through the team? There's all kinds of things going on. Yeah, oh my God. The rules are so crazy to think about,

and then when we even talk about them not knowing what they know, is it one of those situations where they're doing this meeting at the end of the day where everyone's just trying to get the hell out of there and they're all tired? So they're not really paying attention. They're just there. So there's a chance that any of these things could be real. Yeah. And all we would like to say is figure it out.

Yeah. Everybody. Make it easy. Figure it out. Right, AJ? Make it simple. You just got to make it simple and concise. Yes. This is what you can do. This it easy. Figure it out. Right, AJ? You just got to make it simple and concise. This is what you can do. This is what you can't do.

Don't bet on the NFL. Got it. We are going to track every bet you make. Got it. Cool. Let's move along. That's all the fans give a fuck about. I don't care if a guy is going to go lose $10,000 playing blackjack on Saturday. If he's playing against my team, I hope he does. I hope he's fucking miserable coming into the game. You know what?

I don't want anybody to lose their money, but we don't care about that. We don't care if they win $150,000 playing blackjack. Nobody gives a fuck about that. All anybody cares about is, is this game real or not? Is this team competing or not? Are they trying or not? That's all I need to know. I don't even want to question that.

And I hope they're able to figure it out and get through it because we do have the tech to track all of it seemingly at this stage. And besides that, the NFL got to do their part. And I'm not talking about the betting on the games and stuff, but I'm saying when they had Pro Bowl in Vegas, at first you tell the players

they can't go to the casino. That is not going to work if you're going to have a Pro Bowl in Vegas, which I think that's why they flipped the rule for Pro Bowl because guys was like, hey, we can't go to the casino. That is not going to work if you're going to have a Pro Bowl in Vegas, which I think that's why they flipped the rule for a Pro Bowl because guys was like, hey, we ain't going. But if they can do that and can't go to San Francisco and play a game and go to the casino because they'll get in trouble, like it just don't make sense. Yeah, it's tough to understand completely, I guess.

And we're in a fickle time right now, aren't we? Oh, yeah. You can call me Easy Go with all sports, gambling, and what's taking place. A lot more names are being learned about than we had in previous time. So I guess that is news. It's not great news. But we hope everybody learns that nobody does anything wrong ever again in anything. Yeah, no more mistakes.

Right, AJ? Right. I look forward to a future like that where nobody does anything wrong. I can't wait. Hell, dude. Let's go. That's what it's all about. Starts today.

The way you said it, AJ, it's like, it's coming. It's possible. Why not? Why not? Let's talk about something happening in our universe. Pac-Man Jones is going to attempt to run a 40 under, 4.50. Hey, I'm more confident now that he's going to be under than I was even at the beginning. Okay, I don't know if you know the full story.

Oh, dang. I should have waited or what? Might be rain. Might be rain coming. So we're going to film it after the show today what might be rain might be rain coming so we're gonna film it after uh the show today might be rain on the way aqi is high so we might end up delaying it uh until next week so that might take place just because we don't have 40 yards in here we should we should have figured that out we should have thought of that should have redone it have to do it outside

don't want to run in the rain no no chance or, no. No chance. Don't want to get hurt. But also, I mean, to add on top of that, Pac-Man tweaked his hammy this morning. Oh, no. Next week. Don't even think about doing it today. AJ, he, we marked off the 40 yards. We didn't even get the leaf blower to blow off the pebbles and shit

that was on the cement. He just wanted to kind of get a feel for it, I think. He wanted to test himself on the track it was going to be. You were running, weren't you? I was running. Actually, I did it four times. The first time I ran, I was jogging. It was 4'7", something.

That doesn't get it done. The second time, it was 4'7", flat. The third time, it was 4'7 flat. The third time, it was 4-6-4. The fourth time, it was 4-5-4. And these are all hand times. And in that 4-5-4, immediately afterwards, let me get that Theragun. I was slowing down, and I felt a little something. Let me get that Theragun.

Got a little tight on me, AJ. Get some DMSO on that sucker and wrap it tonight. Yeah. It'll smell horrendous and it'll feel great tomorrow. Well, you got a cold, though. I was at home. I had my little been ready to go. You know what I'm saying?

Well, where do you get that? Was that stem? Don't worry about all that right there. What is it for? It's some magic salt. What is it for? It's magic. Sounds awesome.

Yeah, it does sound amazing. Can we get some? I'm not in the league. Shit, I can take whatever I want to take. So hold on. They create stuff? They create stuff that goes... Yeah.

And you're just good? Yeah. Damn, I'm not in the league either. How do we... Yeah, I need that right now. Can we get a contact info of this person that sells it? Yeah. Yeah, I got you.

You make it? I got you. So you think... Like, let's say we have to push this next week because of the weather. You know what I mean? And obviously, we would like you to be fully healthy. Next week, your hamstring's falling off the bone

when you do this? Yes. It would have fell off today if it wasn't raining. If it wasn't raining? Yeah. So if it doesn't rain and you're forced to run today... I wouldn't have gotten me a sleeve and everything, AJ. I was ready. Okay, so let's say this happens, though. You're thinking that thing's going to go.

Is one week enough of a delay for this? Yeah, one week is enough. Because you got that. One week is enough. I'm worried now. Don't be worried. What is that stuff? Does Ulysses make it like in a lab somewhere?

I need that stuff. Yeah. Is it just deer antlers that you're just rubbing on your? Could be. It's got some of that in there. A little deer antler in there. Yeah. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Is that why you're still properly jocked? Probably jocked because I'm properly jocked. All right. He's still going to have to run it if it doesn't have, you know, a terrible rain. But it's like 55% or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

It's not looking good. I mean, I do look outside and I see sun, but it's okay. I think either way, you know, whatever concoction he makes, whatever it's made out of, I can see it being, you know, melted down nerds ropes, and he just kind of. Oh, it's a placebo. He walks up when I'm running. He's like, damn, that looked pretty fast.

But is that 40 yards? I'm like, bro, I didn't even mark it off. Pat was out there when they marked it off. I did, yeah. Bailey McComas went and got one of those rollers that measures the feet. Perfect. Had to get it to 120 feet, obviously. And whenever we got there, it looked a lot further than I thought,

to be honest. Okay. And I bought it, and it looked like it was straight and flat. It might be a little bit downhill. Oh, really? What kind of shoes are you wearing? What kind of shoes are you going to wear? He was wearing Chucks when he pulled his hamstring this morning.

You were. They light. You're going to run in Chucks. If Pat gets a good start, he's doing it. If Pat gets a good start and he don't slip off that asphalt or whatever, he'll be great. He's wearing Chucks? No way. I was doing 10s in here

yesterday to get the body going. I was running 1.01, 0.02. So my start is there, AJ. I think I can carry it on for there with no problem. Well, if you're hamstring, you know what I mean? I was more – I should have stretched. I didn't stretch this morning. Didn't warm up.

Just went out. Was trying to feel the surface. And I was moving a little bit too fast. A little early. And when I was slowing down, is when I felt. It wasn't going fast. It was going slow. We don't run this slow.

They're probably confused. That's awesome. Let's take some phone calls here before Lane Johnson joins us. On a five hour phone line, let's go to Cam in Indianapolis. What's going on, Cam? How you doing? Keep it moving. Hey, Pat and boys and AJ. Hey, tired of everybody hating on Dan Orlowski all the time, running out the back

of the end zone when 95 FC Championship game was from the Colts by the Pittsburgh Steelers and Cordell Stewart running out the back of the end zone. And then in 96 they created the it the instant replay challenge rule and brought that back. The player created the challenge rule for running out of the end zone,

but he got away with it. So kudos to him. But anyway. You're right, Cam. Let's go, Carl. He's right. Dan isn't the first or the last guy to do what he did. Jimmy G, last year.

Bingo. Just happened to him. But I think it was on Thanksgiving or something. Yeah, it was a high-profile game. And he was running away from Jared Allen. Everybody was eating their meal. Yeah. What does this guy do?

Who's that? Oh, my God. Wachowski's, they say? And they're with their family. Oh, yeah. Extended family. Oh, yeah. People they don't normally talk to.

No. Like, the football person in the family talking to the extended non-football family. Extended family. People they don't normally talk to. The football person in the family talking to the extended non-football family. They go, oh, look at Dan Orlovsky. They have a moment. Hey, Uncle Joe, look at this clown. This guy goes back to his group of people that aren't football people.

And they go, you should hear what I heard from my cousin this weekend. What happened? Well, I actually watched it at Thanksgiving. Guy ran out of the end zone scared to fucking death. Who was it? Dan Orlovsky. So what do you say about Cordell Stewart slash Val? Actually, we don't know. We didn't look it up like Dan scores yesterday.

True. But you're right. Dan was in the biggest position and had it happen. So they named it after him. It is not fair. No. At all for Dan. Literally lost the game because of that play. Oh, I didn't know it was close. Yeah, it was a close game.

I love Dan. I'm probably nice to Dan compared to the toxic table because he is a Detroit Lion, but I have to say it was a really close game. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is not Dan Orlovsky, although I don't know if he's ever going to join our show again. He was pretty shaken. Well, he doesn't support the

troops, so I don't care. We do not know if that's accurate, but with what he did lying about his score to our faces, we certainly aren't sure of anything with Dan Orlovsky anymore. Jordan Siles is a great guy. Fucking dog. Super Bowl champion. A man who put together

something that a bunch of offensive linemen come hang out together, learn from each other, have a good time, fellowship, and maybe just get better as humans and football players. That's right. That's coming next week at the Offensive Line Mastermind. Ladies and gentlemen, Lane Johnson. Yay! How you doing, bub?

Man, doing good. We're out here in Napa going to Mulatta's wedding Saturday, so all the teammates are coming out. Is he singing in that thing are you singing for him how's that girl i think adam sandler's singing in it but if he doesn't show up i think jordan's gonna take over adam sandler's gonna be there at this wedding i'm i'm joking no if sandman was about to be at the wedding that was gonna be the next 25 minutes of us uh how are you getting ready ready for that. That's about it.

How's life? How do you feel? You look healthy. You look incredible. We're one week out right from the O-Line Masterminds, which is a ramp-up period or a fellowship period? How would you describe it over the years now? Yeah, just really like a fellowship. We started with like 25 and now we're close to like 250.

What I like is just you get the whole brand of different personalities in the single room, and then you see, well, that's why that guy was good. This is why. You know, we had Olin Kruitz in there last year, and so people were just like looking at him when he was talking. But, yeah, this year we have Bruce Matthews. We have Orlando Pace, Jeff Saturday, Steve Hutchinson.

Yeah, a bunch of good guys. And a lot of the college guys that are top 50 are usually there, at least they were last year. So, like tight end you and a pass rush summit and wide receivers probably do something somewhere. Yeah, they do all the – And the quarterbacks do – Probably in Florida if it's in anywhere.

Where is the O-line thingida if it's in anywhere where is the o-line thing at uh it's in it's in frisco so right there at the star texas texas that's where big offense alignment are gonna meet up over there uh whenever you guys are on field working have you learned anything from somebody that you didn't expect or has somebody else in the nfl asked you a question and you've kind of like i don't want to say because you're really fucking good lane, right? You're at like the top of the fucking game, but there's other guys, I assume that come that are very, very good and can't really,

do you guys share a lot of game with each other? So basically we'll watch tape and then, you know, like Teron speaks a lot Armstead. So if he has like a technique he uses for somebody, he'll, he'll show us and then we'll go to the film. But that's kind of what I like about it is that everybody uh will go to the tape and everybody has like a different style and i feel like uh we're just able to um you know get the guys i feel like they can relate to a body type or a play style and then you have a lot of time to ask questions hell yeah that's

great news i wish i could have done that whenever I was playing offensive line. I would have made it to the NFL. What's up, AJ? Play next to me. I ain't doing that cheating football play. Yeah. You got to. Yeah, I'm playing on the other side then. I'm on the outside.

I ain't doing the. You would dumpster dive for about $10 million, $15 million. I think you would too. Well, people call me a sellout. Go ahead, AJ. Lane, what's this time look like between now and when training camp opens up, like when your workouts and everything you're doing? Do you have any time off, or do you ramp it up like a couple weeks before?

How does it work? Yeah, I mean, it's slowly like a ramp-up period. I mean, just be in shape when you show up. I mean, air conditioning test I don't feel like is what it was. But, yeah, just a slow ramp-up period. And I feel like, you know, once we get in the season, we pace it pretty well. But I feel like if you ramp it up too hard too fast and, you know, January, February when your body needs you, you kind of tank out.

What did you have? You had a torn groin or something? What was going on with you? Had you played at the end of it? Yeah, so I tore my right one and then ended up tearing my left one. So pretty much had – felt like a C-section at least that's what they told me so uh yeah what i mean the first couple weeks it was not was not fun but the rehab's pretty quick uh about eight to ten weeks so other than the first two weeks it wasn't too bad you're all the way back yeah 100 yeah 100 so yeah it's it's uh rehab that you progress pretty fast with,

so they don't want you healing up stiff. So kind of similar to like a hernia surgery. Okay, got it. Jason Kelsey said that Jalen Hurts is still beating himself up over the Super Bowl. Then you listen to Debo Samuel talk about what his views were on last year, and he said it was just a complete failure. It feels like if you don't win a Super Bowl that you have to be pissed off or you seemingly are pissed off because of how close you got. How have you been in handling this all? Because your team obviously is set up for the

next 10 years to do the same, get back to the Super Bowl. But how was it mentally and how have the boys been in the Eagles behind closed doors? Yeah, I think you just realize how special it is. But, yeah, I mean, we had a competitive year. I felt like we were very sound. I felt like we nailed some things in the draft. So I feel like, you know, we'll be capable of getting there or maybe winning this thing. But, yeah, we were very close.

But, yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things, man. It's all about execution and everybody's so talented across the board that it doesn't take long for teams to get back in the games. Hey, that field was trash. Oh, my God. Don't order. That field was trash. I don't know if you've heard the story about the –

there's drama behind the scenes about that turf. I don't know if you know that. Yeah. I mean, it felt like if you're on a putting green with like your cleats how bad you would mess it up but i mean everybody put on their studs it's like you know they had the same cleats on we did lisa lyman had the same shitty cleats on that we did because they're pretty shitty but uh far as appearance but stud wise it was fine it wasn't it wasn't too bad okay good yeah but we were watching wondering how the hell this is what

the super bowl field is. Allegedly, I don't know if you've looked into this enough, or you're just trying to stay away from it, the sod father who has done the grass. That's what I heard, yeah. He ended up quitting about it because I feel like they may have over-watered it so it was nice and slippery, wet. That's kind of the, I guess, the hypothesis for everything. Yeah, so the sod father has been

there done that every super bowl the sod prince or the sod son basically came in and they gave they empowered the young and the young had new technique and the sod father was kind of cucked in the corner of this whole thing so they said that they watered too much put the top on it and sod father said i was telling them yep i was telling them that ain't what you're going to have. And then all of a sudden, Super Bowl Sunday, all hell breaks loose. The field's the worst it's ever been, Lane. Yeah, the old era had a set foundation of rules, and then the younger era wants to come in and take control

and get all the limelight and go on to mess things up. That's kind of synonymous with the world, huh? Yeah. Very synonymous. Yeah. Interesting. Succession. It is like a shot to the disgusting brothers coming up on top of that.

Pac-Man has a question for you, Lane. Lane, you was talking about the draft. You got two young guys. You got Jalen and Nolan, which are dogs from Georgia. Have you had a chance to see them? How do you think they'll fit in this year? Yeah, I mean, I think they'll fit in the rotation from day one. Jaylen's a big dude, man, he's about 6'3", I think 320, so wide. So I'm thinking him, Fletch, Jordan Davis in the middle.

And then Nolan is like a similar build to hassan uh maybe a little taller but a little leaner so um but far as like uh being an athlete man we have some athletes on the edge and usually like a first team second team like a rotational group isn't as good but i feel like with us we're pretty sound across the board and it feels like they're actually over there looking for a type of human to join the team and i think it's because the who the head coach is good ty yeah lane just curious we've had coach sirianni on the show before and he was fucking incredible but you know when he first gets the job he has that press conference and everyone kinds of kind of gives him shit because it's not the cookie cutter press conference that a head coach usually gets um i'm just curious, what is he like on a day-to-day basis

and how awesome is it playing for a guy like that? Yeah, man, the communication is, I think, what sets him apart. Like, even like after the press conference, he came back to the meeting room and was like, bro, or he's like, guys, I shit the bed. I shit the bed on him. It made a sound first impression. He said, I knew that, but, hey, what are you going to do?

So, yeah, I just like how accountable he is just with stuff like that, and I feel like just the communication is maybe just like it is here, pretty straightforward and sound. That's awesome. Go ahead, AJ. Lane, why do you think it's like that to where, like, because the communication is so great, it stands out and it's obvious? Why can't every head coach have that kind of communication?

I don't know. I mean, people grew up in different trees, different, you know, some coaches are older and I don't know if they necessarily identify with a young crowd as much as some of the young guys. But, you know, I guess he grew up in a football family with brothers as coaches and his dad as a coach. So I just like him being able to relate to teams and players just because he's been around in his whole life.

I think that's what makes the communication good. But I feel like maybe the barrier is just age, I would assume. I think sometimes ego too, right? Don't you think? Ego. Yeah. If somebody has success in a certain way and, I don't know, maybe not wanting to adapt to new times or, you know, let pride get in the way.

Yeah, because humans are these humans, you know? Of course. I think people forget that. And Madden does this. Madden is the thing that makes people forget because Madden is just a rating, a score. That's who this person is. It's like, yeah, but that human also human.

Spite, ego, pride. There's a lot of things. they need that for the madden ratings yeah hell yeah i'll do the spite meter for him if they need it that motherfucker's gonna be pissed yeah that guy's got some shit to prove uh connor has a question for you lane yeah lane uh a lot of people have seen jason kelsey chug a 30 ounce beer on the internet impressive very impressive almost threw up at the end he actually admitted that himself this weekend massive wedding how many beers over under do you believe will be chugged and is jason also the king of the beer chug in that eagles o-line room

dude how many beers i mean i think jason can uh chug on the fastest, but I think Jordan's kind of like Andre the Giant. He may just grab 57 beers and have a night. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he can chug. We actually had a dude named Matt Tobin from Iowa. Imagine that, Iowa. Oh, yeah, baby. But I felt like he had an advantage. I feel like his neck, he might have been like 6'2", if he had a regular neck,

but he was about 6'6", with a long neck. He could just e-goal that thing down in no time. So I'd like to see him maybe bring him back. I think he's selling real estate in Iowa, but I'd like to see him and Jason Kelsey get out. Hey, Sirianni, need to sign this guy. Week or two.

Matt's open. Matt's open. Need him back on the team just so we can really get to the bottom of this and have our best representatives in this whole thing. Speaking of representatives, you guys are no longer there. Tone has a question for you, Lane. Yeah, Lane, I had a question. It hasn't been a while since the Steelers and O-Line have been together within good news, but we got your guy Isaac Ciamalo.

I've heard Jason Kelsey talk glowingly about him. I assume we got a guy there. Yeah, dude, I thought you were Tom Segura over there with the cowboy hat. Hey, he was on yesterday. He was actually on yesterday. Talk about something. Yeah, man, Isaac, he's just such an athlete. When he first came here, he's played some center.

He's played both guard positions. He's played both tackle positions. So he's done all those extremely well. But I think just with him, his body type, you know, he's around 6'3", 320. But just his quickness, I think he might be the quickest dude interiorly in the lot. I mean, just in the NFL. His quickness, his balance, and then just smart. Him and Kels were like two coaches in the back of the room. If a game plan they didn't like, they would let the coaches know that sucks. This isn't going to work.

So really, it's really good entertainment. I'm just sitting there going, let's let the great minds get this thing right. I'll just sit back. I like that Jason Kelsey's like that because I, um, watching that New Heights pod, you know, Jason Kelsey seems like a throwback. Seems like just a throwback

of a human. Obviously, he's an Ohio fuck, so, you know, that has its own thing and all. But with how good he is, how humble he is, and his views on everything, seems like the perfect offensive lineman. Yeah, we love Jason Kelsey. You want him to play forever over there? Yeah, we do.

Yeah, I just think maybe the older he's gotten, the less views he has. Like I said this before, it's like a dog, a family dog that was real nice in his younger ages, and then as it got older, it started developing tumors, gained some weight, will likely bite you a lot quicker. So that's kind of him. I love it. Well, keep your hands away from his mouth, sounds like.

That offensive line coach better have the fucking answers. Okay, we're going to need some answers. Yeah, hey, better. Enjoy the wedding. Tell them we said congratulations and good luck at uh o-line mastermind next week and keep crushing it yep thanks guys thank you buddy ladies and gentlemen lane jones jason kelsey in the back of the room throw it out yeah that's bullshit so let me get we're

supposed to run 45 yards this way and then, yep, not doing it. I don't think so. That's why a good vet in a room is a big deal, AJ, honestly. Yeah. And a good coach wants that good vet too. That's not just going to be talking all the time, but when there actually is an issue, let them know, hey, this is – yeah, this looks great on film in this air-conditioned room,

but this doesn't work on the field. And to flip that even more so so coach listening and actually enacting is a lot of pride and ego getting going like this you know which is a i think whenever people hear like some nfl players talk about like uh for instance when aaron was doing this i was dumbfounded to hear that aaron had next to no say about what was going on with his wide receivers what what was going on with offense, who's getting hired to call that. I was mind blown just because of what I saw Peyton do, obviously in the building, and what I've heard other stories happen around it.

The NFL, the players and the coaches, now I understand the coaches might be older. They might not be, though, by the way, some of the players. And I understand that they've been around football a long time. Guys in the NFL have been around football a long fucking time. Oh, yeah. And they happen to play, you know, obviously better than most of the people that are coaching. So they're the ones that are going to have to.

They have opinions. And they're also getting paid more than that particular person is. So I'm not saying that the players can always just punk coaches. But a relationship between players and coaches where the players' opinions actually matter and they actually enact them, normally where the places are winning those are normally the places where the teams are doing well love hearing that about sirianni and the eagles oh yeah you need that though you need a relationship between the players and the coaches and the great coaches they're understanding like every time the player is not going to be right but if i tell your ass

that i can't pull around this motherfucker and he is coming 100 miles per hour, that makes sense. Because the play is over with if I get smashed. Yeah, and also, you're putting me in a situation to embarrass my damn self. And also, we're not going to have success. Like, aren't we trying to have success? Let's go ahead and do that. Not every player, okay?

That is not a – there's not a green light for every player to start speaking in those meetings jason kelsey though regarded as maybe best center of all time gonna go down is it i think by other centers are gonna say that about him him being that active at this stage i fucking love that guy yeah i do i genuinely and with how fast he chugged that beer i was so impressed i was like god damn used to be a beer chugger i've retired my chug i set it aside i said i'm no longer doing it yes publicly retired it numerous times had to because it got to a point where every place i walked to hey i had to chug like 20 beers you know what i mean because what if what if you get firebombed

well firebombs a whole different story yeah that's that's not a whole different story you gotta do it you gotta do it you're firebombed you get set story. Firebomb's a whole different story. You got to do it. You got to do it if you get firebombed. Or you get set on fire. I've been there. I've been there. Tear pressure. Yeah, if you get firebombed, it's a tough road. It's nuts.

It's a tough road. Especially if you say, I'm not doing that. It's like, you got firebombed. You have to. Firebomb is whenever you just literally walk up to somebody with a very warm fireball shot. And then you just hand it to them and say, firebomb. And then they have to drink it. That's what AJ, the guy got fucking bullied.

Yeah, it was terrible. The whole room was starting to jam. Fireball, fireball, fireball. I usually don't give in to peer pressure, but there I just wanted to stop, so I just drank it. Oh, yeah. See, that is peer pressure, though. So you gave in.

You guys win. Turn old dog, new tricks. Yeah. That's cool. How about that? That's why you're the champion of Ohio at this exact moment. Old dog, new tricks. That's cool. How about that? That's why you're the champion of Ohio at this exact moment. All right, let's get to a break. We'll be back for the third hour.

In the third hour, we do not have Steph Curry. Oh, great. Why not? He's warming up probably. I know. We were mind blown too. Is he warming up? We were told, hey, do you want somebody from the match on Wednesdaynesday or thursday he said absolutely love to have somebody from the match he said how about

nba guy you know because that'll be a whole thing yeah love it sure perfect and then they said thursday's good day of good we go yeah better yeah like all right steph good yeah yeah steph curry yeah i'd say yeah yeah we love to talk to Steph Curry. Hey, Steph, why'd you do that Sports Illustrated thing? Asshole. Yeah, what the hell? You know what I mean? Huh.

Hey, Steph, we thought you probably could have made that. Yep. So what happened? What's up with the housing? I don't know. We were told this morning. No. The person I was speaking did not know what they were speaking of.

Nope. It's like, Jesus Christ. It's like Steph Curry, too. It's not like it was, you know, somebody who isn't Steph fucking Curry. Right. Yeah, we're understanding. Yeah.

But I'm going to see Steph out of the tall hill and I'm going to be like, Urges canceled on us. Stay up. What's that about? What's that about? Three weeks.

What's that all about? You NBA people are fucking no question. You have no idea. Three weeks, you're going to walk up to him while he's warming up on the driving range.

Like, hey. Is that what he wants? What the hell steph probably had no idea that this is even right yeah but i'm blaming him yeah you have to oh hello stephan keep your golf coach out of my bay prick i brought my own oh man i will watch it that's happening tonight right yeah? Yep. 8.30, yeah. I'm excited. 6.30, I thought. Maybe it's 6.30.

I got sources have told me that one of the NFL guys, who's definitely been on our show before, dialed. Ooh. Feeling good about his game. That's huge. I think it's alternate shot, I believe, because Steph is so good. I think it was Steph Clay the whole time, doesn't it? Or at least most of it.

Yeah, I mean, but no offense, Clay. Okay? No offense. If this was Splash Bro a couple years ago, you know, maybe I would think Pat and Travis start with their little fuckery. Yeah, exactly. They get lied.

Right. They start dancing. Chirping. They start rolling. Making plays. You know, it's a little different whenever the Coors Light Bears out there. You know what I mean?

All Pat and Trav need to do is just act like it's third and ten. Third quarter. Need one. Every single shot. And boom, the NFL beats the fucking NBA. And Clay knows it's all on him, too, because we all can agree Steph's the best one there.

Oh, yeah. So if he doesn't pick up his slack, it's over. Yeah, is Clay, like, if we were to rank this, is this 1-4 versus 2-3? Like, do we know what Clay's game is? You know what I mean? We don't know. Is Clay 2? Actually.

Yeah. Then it'll be a massacre. No. With Patrick Mahomes, you think there's a chance there's going to be a massacre? Pat's a stud. I'm just saying, like, I think Steph is better than a scratch golfer. I agree. And him chipping in from Tahoe hit the internet again.

That was right behind us. We actually, we heard the eruption. So loud. As it happened. We had to get off the fucking green for him to do that. So a lot of people are tweeting me, Pat, Steph Curry's going to beat Tony Romo. I'm like, I hope so. No offense, Tony Romo.

No offense. Kind of offensive, I guess. He was struggling over the weekend. He might take it that way. I don't mean to be offensive, but Steph Curry, really good at the golf. Yes. Swing coach. Yep.

Track man. Yep. Uniform. All good at the golf. Yes. Swing coach. Yep. Track man. Yep. Uniform. All in on the sport. Really good at the golf. Yeah. Understand he's probably the best there. Spends the most amount of time in there.

Has holy moly as one of his shows. He has a golf show that he fucking does. Yep. Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. We got to remember that. Patrick Mahomes isn't just going to go quietly. You know what I mean? Even like Kelsey.

These guys are gamers. Kelsey might not be great, but he could make a 45-foot putt. You know what I mean? This guy is a fucking multiple Super Bowl champion. Hey, we need it right now. Exactly. You know what I mean? Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey.

Big time, we need it right now. Let's go, NFL. In Tahoe, he did hit a 45-foot eagle putt. Oh, yeah. Through his club. Jumped full celebration. Bingo. Which they will do. Yes. And then all of a

sudden, here we go. In their face. And the train's coming. Two AJ's point there. Minus 260. Heavy favor. Are they? I know. I hear Crabbe has been playing. Crabbe has been playing the course a lot. We're pulling for you NFL guys. It also gets Steph canceled

on us, so fuck them. That's them. Come on, my homies. Kelsey. I'm curious about Clay's game. Have we ever seen Clay play golf? So, I've seen him shoot. He's very mechanical. He has perfect form. I would assume his golf swing is probably pretty fucking good.

Yeah, the only thing is, he is on his boat a lot. I don't know if he's more of a boater fisherman than golf guy. I fish because I don't golf, some people say. That's the thing, yeah. Has he ever played at American Century Championship? Clay? AJ, has he played in your tournament? I don't think so.

He's definitely been invited. You and AJ both finished ahead of Kelsey in last year's Tahoe. He's a lot better this year, though. I know that. He's a lot better. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean anything. All right.

What time is this thing happening? 6.30? 6.30, 8.30 maybe. Bleach Report, Turner. 6.30. TVS. Perfect. TNT.

TNT. Charles Barkley is going to have a microphone, so it's worth watching. Yeah, I'm in. Do we know the format at all? We don't know anything, do we? No. We should have done a little bit more research. I don't know if they put it out. I really don't know. Clay Thompson, 15 handicap is

what Zito just searched. Oh, jeez. Okay. He's not great. I bet he plays much better than a 15. Probably. I think he's been preparing, though. I don't know. What am I? I wonder. This year's event features 24, 25. Ramble. Yeah, 30, 35. I'm probably's been preparing, though. I don't know. What am I? I wonder. This year's event features 24, 25. Yeah, 30, 35.

I'm probably like a 20 handicap. 21. 100 is typically. I get a couple strokes on each hole. It's a scramble. Yeah. They got no chance. It's a scramble?

Who has no chance? The NFL. So you just play Steph's ball the whole day? Yeah. I still disagree. What a joke. Steph's a plus one. He's not, though. He ball the whole day? Yeah. I still disagree. What a joke. Steph's a plus one. He's not, though.

He's actually a probably. Yeah. Yeah, right. Plus one. Plus one means better. Plus one. Yeah, it's better than scratch. It might be getting some strokes.

And it says Mahomes is a 7-7. Oh, my God. Pretty good. Steph is so good at golf. There's going to be some strokes. Steph is so good at golf. Look how smooth. He has a super smooth swing.

Oh, the ball went 385 right down the middle. So Tony Romo beat him last year? Yeah. Yeah, Steph's high. I said American Century is third. Yeah, which is amazing to think of. He comes like two weeks after the season's over and almost wins that thing. Last year he finished tied for 16th.

So I gave him a motivational speech last week, or last year at the driver range. Probably why he's not coming on the show today. Oh, no. He just got that one in the championship and MVP. I think he just hosted the ESPYs, won something else. And then American Central Championship was immediately afterwards. I was like, Steph, this is a fucking movie.

You're on a movie run right now. You have to win this tournament. If you win this tournament, think about what you just fucking... That would be absolutely bananas. In the basketball world, you just broke every record and you won everything think about what you just fucking, you know, that would be absolutely bananas. In the basketball world, you just broke every record and you won everything. Then in the entertainment world, you had one of the biggest hosting gigs that there could have been. And then golf, you just win the fucking thing back to back.

I mean, that is, you have to win this thing. And then I think he said, all right, and then he just hit a ball. And then his golf coach said, a little bit behind it. And then I got it. Makes sense. Yeah, I mean, you know. Let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side with some phone calls and also, you know, wrapping up this glorious Dan Orlovsky Thursday.

Yeah, that's right. I can't wait to hear Dan Orlovsky's thoughts on just how it all was handled, what he did. He was not happy with us. I mean, I saw that tweet come through where it showed that his math was wrong, and I was like, oh, okay. How does this play out? Should have used a calculator.

I saw it as well. I didn't want to tweet him immediately upon seeing that tweet going like... Did he do the scorecard? He should have blamed the other guy. Yeah, Chuck or Kevin or Clib. Yep. I don't like doing the scorecard. Hey, I got to keep your score at the American Century thing.

Is that right? They'll usually hand you somebody. You have to do someone's score. Yeah, you keep, the caddy keeps one of the three. So it's like if I had Pax, Pax had yours, and yours had mine. Pass it to the right. Yeah, exactly. I see the boys in PGA.

They got to do the same thing, right? They're sitting there. Yeah, they got to sign it. Sitting waiting on the green to keep somebody else's score. I've tried to learn the intricacies of golf a little bit more. You know what I mean? I'm going to have the score thing on that back pocket. Hanging out, you know what I mean?

Get the customized one that says something. I got an Amish-made one, actually. Thank you for asking. It's sweet. What's it say? PMS. Strength and honor. Oh, sweet.

Strength and honor. Oh, that's my rifle. That's my rifle right over there. Are happening, and that is A.J. Hawk. The Talks at the Table is here at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor, and at Boston Connor's mall. One half of the hammer. Cowboys Tony Diggs is here.

How are we doing gambling over there? We knew what was going to happen last night. Yep. You lost. I did. Wow. Big fat moth. You've been getting in good shape.

You've been getting in good shape. The body's been looking good. But yesterday, I feel like you really just decided to put yourself right into it. We knew what was going to happen. What did you say? You said, well, the rest of the show stinks, but I'm winning. That's not what I said. I'm winning.

That's what you said. And I said, hey, how's the Hammer Down crew doing, gambling-wise? Ty, what did he say, pretty much? He said, well, I'm winning. Oh, yeah. That was the exact quote. That's what you said. And I said, hey, how's the Hammer Down crew doing gambling-wise? Ty, what did he say pretty much? He said, well, I'm winning. Oh, yeah, that was the exact quote. And then he said, Gumpy. That's not what I said. I'm not asking.

You didn't ask me about Gumpy. You didn't ask me about Mick. You didn't ask me about Bruce. You didn't ask me about Nick. You didn't ask me about the tour junkies. You didn't ask me about anybody. You asked me about me. I'm fucking doing great.

Thanks. Everybody else sucks at their job. That's not my fault. You kind of got offended i even asked you a little bit and then we all kind of knew that there was a chance that for every action there was an equal and opposite reaction big time and the goblin gods heard what you said and they said is that right is that right and they came down with the cowboy that's right down with the cowboy put those saddles and up with the canadian cowboy ladies and gentlemen, Gumpy has joined us. Oh!

Hey, yesterday, whenever Diggs said, well, everybody else kind of sucks, but I'm doing good, did you hear that? And what were your thoughts on what the Gumbling Gods were going to do to him last night? That's classic Tony, but he's not lying. I've been taking it on his chins this week. Oh, no!

Everybody sucks at Hammer Don right now. That's not classic Tony. K, first and foremost. The Hammer Don Cowboys are not friends right now. Not the Gomblers either, it sounds like. No, we're very much friends right now. You're allowed to have one losing night. I think Bruce had a winning night.

Hey! I don't listen to what Mitt says on the show, so I have no fucking clue what he did. I heard a big pop out of Mitt the other day. Earlier, too, when you turned around, when we were talking about Isaiah Rogers, there was a big, oh, from back there. I could hear it from here.

There he is, living his best life. We're at a very mid-first haircut, living good. Gumpy, how's life? How we doing? We looking good? Sounds like we're in a good spot, eh? Yeah, the gambling's been shit, but everything else is on the up and up. Okay.

Okay. It's all matters. Every once in a while, you got to shake a few hands to do some things every once in a while. We appreciate the hell out of you, Gumpy. Let's get a winner, huh? Let's get some winners out here. Let's have a night, huh, lads? I think the last time we talked to you, you said you're not doing first fives anymore.

You're doing full games. Let's go back to what we know. Let's go back to first f, Lutz? I think the last time we talked to you, you said you're not doing first fives anymore. You're doing full games. Let's go back to what we know. Let's go back to first fives, right? It's tough. Some of these teams are so shit. You can't get them at a decent number. Let me do your job for you, Gump, okay? We're betting on Shohei.

We're betting on Joey Votto. Ellie De La Cruz. Ellie De La Cruz. Anybody the Oakland A's are playing against. Boom. This guy throws a perfect game, and the only comments are La Cruz. Anybody the Oakland A's are playing against. Boom. This guy throws a perfect game, and the only comments are, that's against the Oakland A's. Yeah.

So we're betting against them, and we're betting for everything else. That seems pretty easy. How do you feel about the gambling stuff that's coming out of the NFL? These guys are – Isaiah Rodgers is never going to play in the NFL again, and we don't think, probably in the XFL forever. But whenever it comes out, there's a prop bet. Shouldn't we hear if he bet for his teammate to succeed or for his teammate to fail?

Shouldn't we know that? He would have said if he did, wouldn't he? Like, he's already suspended. Wouldn't you come out and be like, it was for the over? Like, it doesn't matter now. He's cooked. But everybody is probably, the smart people around him are probably telling him, just don't say anything about this.

Try to be quiet. But J.C. Tretter was right, man. That's absurd. You play blackjack eight hours in Cleveland, go to New Orleans, play for two hours and you face a suspension? That doesn't make sense. That's fucking stupid. I agree. There has to be a way to figure it out

and we hope people will figure it out. Gumpy, why don't you if you were to figure it out, I think it would be an automatic just right back in there. But it sounds like we're getting closer, huh? Is that what you're reading? You're reading the same thing I'm reading, right? It feels like we're closer. Yeah, things are looking good. Wow.

Hell yeah, dude. We'll do a talk about it all. Oh yeah, you have to. Are you engaged? Is that what it is? What's that, AJ? Is he engaged? Is that what happened? Is that why we're progressing on with this? That don't work. I got some bad news for everybody.

That don't work. What do you mean? There's a lot of people saying it. Chuck and Larry movie. I saw Chuck and Larry. I've gotten about 20,000 messages. That ain't how it works anymore. I hate to break it.

Yeah, he can't just marry Lisa Ann and become an American. We tried. We're all hoping for that. That would have been done a long time ago if that was the case. I believe Lisa was even like, she was with it. She said okay, threw her hat in the ring. She was like, I will represent the

United States of America here and offer you up an opportunity to get back in. America needs you inside of it. Lisa Ann was like, I got you. Then we looked into it and it's like, maybe back. She's still waiting. We appreciate Lisa's offerings there. Yeah.

Gump was just, Gump is too much of a man. Hmm? Excuse me? He just, Gump was just too much. She couldn't handle Gump. That's the thing. No, no. It was never Lisa.

Lisa was in. Yeah. She was in. That was it. I've seen her film. Lisa Ann was in. Lisa Ann was in 100%. They do say the sledgehammer from the painter.

Similar to that of Tom Segura. No, Tom Segura was a six-year-old. How about Tom Segura saying that yesterday? The reason why it's called the sledgehammer is because I got a bigger dick than my six-year-old son. Yeah. I heard AJ drop a dong in a minute either.

Yeah, he loves it. Any opportunity he can get for a good dong talk. We appreciate you. We'll watch Hammer down. And tonight, you're going to be a winner. Remember that. Let's get back on the winning streak, lads. Tonight's the night.

And when you do, you'll say, yeah, I hit a couple. The boys are getting there. As opposed to saying, I'm good. Everybody else stinks, right? We know. We heard what happened. I will do that, Tony. Don't worry.

Oh, I've learned in my life. I don't don't speak for others okay that's very nice of you ladies and gentlemen gumpy thank you we did hear some good news at one time it was not good news at all no yeah for a while it was like oh we're doing it and boom and then while we're doing it. Boom. And then, no, this time, actually. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Harder fall than any of them. And that one didn't come back up for a while. No, and that one was like a little bit of, is that right?

Now we're on the climb now? Now we're across the climb again. Now we are. We've tried every avenue here. We've tried the Guaranteed Avenue, allegedly. We tried the Best of All Time Avenue, allegedly. We tried working some side doors, allegedly. Now we're trying to work, you know, a different angle.

We didn't try Urlacher's. Now this one, we have not tried the way he described the south door. Yeah, that's right. We tried a side door. We didn't try the south door because I don't know if that works with a being a visible profession you know yeah exactly i don't know if that's necessarily the best way to go about doing things we were told but this way since the beginning of the country this has been the way things kind of work and i love that i'm a part of it i want to let everybody know that. Utilizing my presence in society and platform to talk to people to make this happen.

I don't think that's good. I don't like that it is possible. But this is our last resort to get our guy in. And I guess this is the way it goes. Don't love it, though. No. But when Gumpy walks in here, I'm going to love that more. I'm going to love that more.

The pizzazz that will be in this building. The pizzazz meter. Through the roof. Those are capital Z's. Big time. Capital P's. Maybe like five of them. Is that the P word? Oh, he called me a pizzazz and broke them. Yeah. Pizazz. Is that the P word? Oh, he called me a pizazz and broke boy.

Oh. Maybe. Maybe. Go there. McIntyre just got dunked on by Kevin Durant in his DMs and said, hey, everybody, look what this guy said to me. Yeah, check it out. It was sweet.

Look. Speaking of DMs, we have a new favorite hockey coverer. We'd like to extend an opportunity for him to come on the show sometime, and we hope he is on TV more. Ain't that right, Todd? Yeah, that is absolutely right, but I'm also done with this guy. Whoa! What?

Don't try to make me feel bad for giving you a compliment. Again, I cannot do anything about what people say on the Internet. People are assholes. Period. People have said mean shit to me, to you, to Pac, to Diggs, to Conor, to everyone in the back. That's the way it fucking works. You, though,

need to fix that. What did you say to him, though? What exactly did you say to him? Boom. Right there. That's the tweet. Does anyone know who this weapon of mass destruction is? I would be up all night. I'd be so excited if I got that tweet. Me as well. We are all very confused by it all. Can you scroll down?

Can we see any comments? That's what I asked for. That's not spotlight any of that. Don't need to do that because people are assholes. I agree. That's part of it. I agree. But also, like I said, I really do take issue with trying to make me feel really bad about it

while also this morning going over my head when we had a communication and he can say that he wasn't trying to get me fired or reprimanded but that's absolutely what you're doing when you DM someone's boss and then also go to their CFO and be like, hey, maybe this guy should think about what he tweets out before he actually does it.

I think we just have a Thunderball game. You and him, settle it. Once and for all. I'd rather get in the octagon with you at this point. There we go. I don't think you want that. Undercard of Elon and Zuck. It is. Now we're talking. Just a couple hockey media guys. Been in the game longer than that. And I don't need anyone doing

my heavy lifting for me. You don't need to go to Dave Satriano and tell him he's a piece of shit. You don't need to do that. I'm fine with doing him he's a piece of shit. You don't need to do that. I'm fine with doing that. That's kind of where I'm at right now. Let's go to the phone. So don't be mean to this guy, okay?

Yeah, we would. That works. That always works. What do you mean? I mean, come on now. What do you mean? Of course it always works. This is going on with Taylor Swift and John Mayer right now.

Her people are going after John, I guess. And she said, hey, guys, be easy. That's the problem, though, is I never went after the guy. He complimented him. He didn't make a Dear Dave song. I'm on your side, Ty. I agree. But people are stupid.

What did John do? I don't know. Dear John, I guess. Listen. This whole Taylor Swift thing is crazy. Yeah, she's absurd. Whoa. I'm not saying that.

She's taking it away. You better watch this. I'm Taylor Swift thing's crazy. Yeah, she's absurd. Whoa. I'm not saying that. You better watch this. My wife is going to a concert here in a couple days. My kids are going too. I've been completely within Taylor Swift's world the last few days. Yeah, I love Taylor Swift. I'm not saying absurd in a bad way. I'm saying absurd in like the spectacle that is.

Oh, you're saying absurdly awesome. Yes. Because it is actually. It is wild to see. Yeah, and the concerts that is i mean the things that oh you're saying absurdly awesome yes got it because it is actually like it is wild to see yeah in the concerts that people have talked about like jj watt for instance we actually talked about what he said about the concert he said she went on there for what three and a half hours straight no breaks yeah 40 straight songs so she's just a machine yes more of a machine than bts i think so yeah actually i think she's the a machine. Yes. More of a machine than BTS? I think so, Dan. Yeah, actually. I think so. She's the biggest right now.

You see clips of Beyonce's over at International Tour. There's all these gigantic tours, and it's almost like nobody's doing anything because all you see is Taylor Swift stuff. So they were talking about the price for, what was it, for Messi's game. Right. The cheapest ticket for Messi's debut, the cheapest ticket for Beyonce's tour currently, and the cheapest ticket for messi's debut the cheapest ticket for beyonce's tour currently and the cheapest ticket for taylor swift's tour currently any i think any show i think is i think it was always yeah cheapest thing was like 1391 bucks oh yeah and beyonce was fucking beyonce

mm-hmm like 380 bucks do they set the ticket prices how does that work i don't know i know taylor right she's been trying to like defeat every aspect of music that is kind of fucked. Like the rights and ownership and everything. She's trying to get that back. She does all of her own shit. So it makes very entrepreneurial. So like it makes sense why she has gotten into the battles. It feels like she's gotten into the Scooter Braun one, the re-recording one, the wanting

to own it, the writing everything to doing everything i assume the stadium tours and the ticket sales because i think she was not happy with ticket master no because of the way it all went maybe because she told him what was potentially going to happen like i think she's a part of all of it i think she's part of all of it i think she's like a super genius who's also a super talent yeah actually we don't have a lot of those she had her own label does she have her own label where she signs up andand-comers? I would imagine if she doesn't, she will do that. Does anybody open for her?

I don't think so. I remember that. Oh, actually, yeah. Yeah, because that's how. They do. I don't know who it is, but she does have an opening. So that would just be her label. That would be very easy, right?

Yeah. Ed Sheeran opened for her when she did a Red Tour. So it was them two on tour. Yeah, I think it was both domestic and international. It says expect opening acts from Muna and Gracie Adams. All right, well, good luck out there, Muna. Yeah, I bet they're next up, both of them right there. Yeah, that's like if a couple of the dudes I've met through music,

if they get to open for somebody in front of them, that's a huge deal. That's a big deal. That's huge. That's a big deal. Stadium's huge. That's a big deal. A stadium. Yeah, big, big deal. Didn't you used to do shows and stuff? You used to do stuff with shows, right?

Yeah. I used to throw some of the biggest shows there were. So I've had, what, Future. Just say for this one card, I have Future, Young Thug. At that time, Rich Herman Quamon was hot money back yo open act would be um you are jack hoist on that okay like where what kind of venue this one was in um what is it called in cincinnati pavilion the outside pavilion is that riverbend what used to be called riverbend riverbend yeah and we have we have one. We have probably like 4,000.

You were the one that priced it, sold it, booked it, promoted it? Yep. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. And then you got to worry about everybody that's there, what happens at the time and afterwards.

And the biggest part is getting the artists there on time. These artists are prima donnas, bro. It's like, bro, you got your money, come get your back in. You need to be here at this time to get the back in like bro you got your money come get your back in you need to be here at this time to get the back and you have to stay here to get the back in I will lay you know we only got the venue to 11 o'clock if a guy I will lay you know that mess up the whole show and then he gets there at 10 30 and want the back end and still want to go perform that's not gonna work hold on didn't connie what was connie four or five hours i think six hours you get you could find like a certain like thousands per minute you go over so yeah at the time i went to a kid

rock concert here in indiana 2000 2009 2010 2009 201010 you lucky son of a gun kid rock concert and it was 10-59 and he said they just told me that if I go past 11 they're going to find me and he said the actual number whatever it is per minute

because of noise ordinance or whatever and he said like perfectly timed he said i told him my name is kid and he went right into ball with the ball i've never seen a crowd of drunk whites go more crazy yeah that just gave me chills i have never i mean it was it was a moment bro i was like holy shit and then as the, because I was probably at altitude a little bit. Sure. You know?

And, you know, ball with the ball, obviously, at the time was an absolute fucking heater or whatever. But I couldn't make it through the whole song because I just kept wondering, like, how much is it? We only go to 11? That's kind of fucked up. What are we? And then you start thinking about, oh, there's neighbors here. Yeah. And there's, like, families over here.

Union, too. The union has to pay to clean everything up and break stuff down. You got to get them out of there. The lights people. It's not easy to throw an event or anything like that. So shout out to you, huh? Future. Young thug. Never.

Rich homie Kwan. Jacquees. I'd go to that. Absolutely. It's a hell of a show. You say never again. Hell of a headache, too. Never again. Never. Not one more time would you ever do that.

I would invest, but I don't want to be the guy that has to worry about everything. If I can say, all right, what's this lineup you got? Boom, boom, boom. I can agree to that. You want to be a consultant. Ah. Okay, that's smart. That's a good play.

It's a lot of work. We're all trying to get to the consultant phase of anything. AJ, aren't we? Aren't we trying to become consultants for everything? I would love to be a consultant. I'd like to be paid to be on some boards of big companies. That'd be amazing. Hell yeah.

I didn't even think about that phase of life. That's going to come at some point probably. Yeah, boards. Boards. I want to be on a board. Hell yeah. Oh, I got to fly in once a year and sit in a meeting. You can pay me some cash.

Yep. Like Lorde. What's that? Lorde. Yeah, Lorde Howe. Lorde. I only think I'm saying. I didn't see no job cash. Like Lord. What's that? Lord. Yeah, Lord how? Lord. I only think I'm saying I didn't see no sign. The singer?

No, Lord how. I'm talking about the Lord. She's Australian. Jesus Christ? Jesus? Jesus Christ? He's also on a board. No, Lord.

The new NFLPA president. Oh, Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. We got it. He's a consulting firm, the biggest consulting firm. Yeah.

And also, he sits on GE Healthcare's board. He's going to be able to get that figured out, AJ. $2 billion. They said they're going to need $2 billion. For healthcare? Yeah. Yep. Do they have it?

Ah, it's not like no. But we don't need a lifetime. It healthcare? Yep. Do they have it? Ah, it's not like no. But the we don't need a lifetime. It's 20 then. 10, 15. That'd be cool. Exactly. They expect everybody to be dead within 15 years of their last game anyway. So just run it. Yeah, do 15. I saw pickleballs costing $400 million

in healthcare. $377 million I saw. Is that the number you saw as well? $400 million. That's absurd. People were talking about this now. I thought they were just pickleball haters. And all these pickleball haters that saw pickleball growing and potentially taking over their sport, they started saying to

themselves, hey, we're looking at a lot of these pickleball courts that are popping up everywhere, seeing a lot of unathletic people doing some stuff that could potentially cost them. And we're saying, oh, don't be a hater. These people are getting back into shape. It's good exercise. They might be out of shape now, but you play a couple of pickleball games, you don't have to move much. Then bang, you're right back on the path of fitness. You're doing it.

Pickleball's a good thing. Turns out what they were saying was right. Yeah, people could move slow, and it could be an easy thing. But whenever you're changing direction for the first time, maybe 20, 30 years, there are some ligaments that potentially go. They're saying orthopedic surgeons are cashing in from pickleball. Because you had a little drop shot.

Back in high school, maybe that brain starts thinking to itself, I can get there. But the body is stuck into today. And that thing, Achilles, gone. How you doing? Oh, I'm going to cut over here. I'm going to switch hands maybe. Cut back over here.

Ankle, boom, bang, paddle on the ground. That's what they're saying. Oh, yeah. Hip replacements. I mean, people are getting real fucked up. That's commitment, though, AJ. There's not a lot of... Orthopedic surgeons, man.

My buddy's an orthopedic surgeon. He tells me he has a lot of pickleball people coming in. So, anytime you see an adult with a brace on, you know that they had to do something. You know what I mean? If you're out to dinner and you're wearing shorts and you have a don joy knee brace or even worse i think if you have a knee sleeve to just keep it warm what are we doing what are we doing how about sleeve

how about sleeve tight wrap then don joy on top of that you know just to cover all the fucking bases but if they're an adult that doesn't look like a professional athlete you do always have to wonder like what were you doing in life that could have got you there and maybe they're uh explosive workouts in the gym maybe you know behind closed doors they really like to get out of it you know like who knows what do you mean i'm talking about jumping off the top yep you know coming in you know what i'm saying oh got it got it yeah how they enter the sexual atmosphere or maybe just kind of set the mood you know what i mean they're jumping around doing jumping jacks you never know watch this thing hit me in the chest you know what i mean whatever the'm going to hit my nose this time. Oh, maybe the forehead.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. But you do have to wonder, like, what does this fucking human do that caused them to tear something or break something? Turns out everybody you see right now that is an adult that does not look like a professional athlete that has any of these braces set up on their body, it's pickleball. That's what the report basically said. Pickleball elbow, too.

I bet we're going to see those little tennis elbow things coming back in a big way. Some of the AI sleeves. Copper fit. Oh my god. Are you kidding me? Boy. Soldiers. It's a good game though. Pickleball is a good game. Great game. It is. Fun game. I'm very happy. I didn't tear anything playing except for my

plottiest. Remember I was almost in the ortho. Because my plottiest got a little tangled up. You had to use the crypto thingy. Whatever the hell it's called. I heard paddle ball is taking over. Paddle ball has been around, right? A long time?

Yeah, I'd say it's taking over pickleball, though. Less movement than pickleball? Faster with walls. Oh, yeah. Are you thinking paddle ball? Squash? Paddle ball, yeah. No, the ball is like rubbery.

It's played on a heated platform. He's talking about this insane thing. It is. Oh, yeah. It's literally taken over. People are getting rid of pickleball courts, adding walls, making paddle ball. No. I think there's too much infrastructure for that paddle ball to take over pickleball courts.

I think pickleball is going to see a decline, though. Oh, yeah. Because people are sick of hearing about it. What do you mean? No, not only that. Just like me. You done with it? I enjoy playing it for fitness reasons.

Sure. And I enjoyed playing it. It was a fun game. But if I'm doing something else fitness-wise, which I currently am doing, it's like I'm not thinking about adding pickleball into my life. Not even a little. If I was to tear my ACL, I don't know if I'm coming back.

Probably not. It's like, I don't know if I'm going to come. People might be mentally tougher and love pickleball more than I do, and I feel like I enjoy it a lot, but if it caused me to be six months doing rehab and everything, I'm probably not going to just sign up to play that again as an adult. Could you imagine that happening twice?

You do all that rehab, you come back. I don't think you'll tear your ACL playing pickleball. I don't. I mean, maybe some crazy, if you're going for some Phil Maynes diving out-of-bounds shot and you fall off a cliff, maybe. How about CFO Phil had three of the top five plays in pickleball at Super Bowl and was, no offense, Phil. I don't think he won a game. I don't think him and his partner

won. I think he won a couple games. Sorry, match. Yeah, maybe. Okay, yeah. Match. He is a guy that's going to tear his... Exactly, yeah. He might tear someone else's by diving. Yeah, he's a triathlete. He's properly jogged.

He's more likely to break his jaw or something, though, from hitting his head on the cement diving or something. Or his elbow comes down on a tree or something. He'll tear his partner's ACL, though. Friendly fire going for a ball. Exactly. Boom, yeah. Kind of submarine like the Philadelphia Eagles offense.

I didn't think you had it. I'm sorry. Actually, you know what he might do? Switch hands, dive, boom, hits guy. Yep, right in the back of the sorry. Actually, you know what he might do? Switch hands, dive, boom, hits guy. Right in the back of the knee. Tears knee. You know what I mean? Just because he's too good. Ball goes over, though.

Tries too hard. Anyways, we hope everybody stays safe. Speaking of staying safe, I just got paid for the New England Patriots. Wide receiver Devontae Parker getting a paycheck from the New England Patriots. You love this play for Mac Jones? Yeah, I like it a lot. Everybody kept saying last year he was dog shit. We got to throw out last year Matt Patricia was the O.C. We cannot go back to whatever he did then.

He's good on the outside. I do believe it also created just a little bit of cap space for this year. I believe Michael Lombardi was the one who came on last week and said, yeah, the Patriots have $162 million next year right now, so they have a lot of room to work. This probably will be good in the long run, and it could be like an Aguilar situation where if we sign him to a three-year deal, if he's not doing good after year one or year two,

we can probably just cut bait and be okay. Yeah, Bill always has an ability to kind of get out of something if he doesn't want to be in it anymore. Exactly, yeah. He's very good at that. Even if it is something that people don't completely agree with, I mean, we can go back to a 20-year relationship with tom brady you know not a lot of people thought that that was the greatest exit out but again you know some things just have to be done for the good of the team and at the end of the day even though brady a lot of people might

say it wasn't for the good of the team i think in the end where we are a few years later, stuff happens. You know, and I still look back on that relationship fondly. I look back on all of Bill's relationships with his players and everyone fondly. But it's a new era. I feel great about where the Patriots are at right now. It feels like a younger generation, doesn't it? It's just a new, yeah. It's out with the old.

How do you feel good? They got y'all winning seven and a half games. It's just a new, yeah. It's out with the old. How do you feel good? They got y'all winning seven and a half games. That's not going to make playoffs. That's fine. I'm glad you brought that up. Right now, I believe 99% of the bets, the most bet thing in the NFL right now is the Patriots to make the playoffs at plus 240. Oh, really?

Yeah, saw that a lot. Is that because it's a little redemption, you think? Yeah, a little redemption. I think a lot of people think, too, just kind of like one of those new year, new me things. Kind of like a revenge body type, if you will. Really? Both for the Patriots as a whole. And? And, of course, Bill in his brain. And body and life.

Oh, yeah. He looks great. He's crushing it. I saw him laughing and spinning his whistle and kind of just scrolling around. I saw him walking down the street, I think. Where was that at? I don't know. Probably Nantucket. I think it was. I saw him walking down the street. What are we talking about? Are we talking about the

Patriots right now or are we talking about Bill Belichick? Both. What was he doing walking down the street? It sounded like we were talking about Bill Belichick and what he decided to do with his personal life that the whole world is now expecting. I don't know. That's what you're talking about? I don't even know what you're talking about right now, to be honest. I thought that's what you were talking about.

I saw him walking down the street with his eyes on the ball. I didn't see anything other than that. Well, the ball is the program. Yeah, exactly. And the program is the Patriots. So we're talking about Bill and the Pats. What are you talking about, AJ? You were kind of alluding to something there.

I have no idea what this picture is or what you're alluding to. They're saying Bill Belichick's single for the first time. Whoa. Whoa. No. That's what the internet's saying? That's what the internet is saying. Oh, so you did see it.

Okay, so that's what you were talking about. No, no. I wasn't talking about that. I saw it, but I was completely just talking about the team and Bill Belichick. Now that you brought that up, I can see. Yeah, because I heard you say 20 years of Tom Brady. Yeah. He's also.

What's going on? Oh, with his former lover? Allegedly. Allegedly, yes. He was with her for a long time. 16 years is what some people have in the books. Look out for Bill Belichick. We know he's been squatting and everything.

He's going to be, you know what I mean? He's out to prove something. Because there's been a lot of talk about Belichick and the Patriots for a long time, at least this last year. It's been loud. We all know, yeah, Bill, he doesn't give anything away. He sees

everything. He hears everything. He knows what people are saying. He's all-knowing. Yes. What if Bill starts dating Taylor Swift? Can't rule it out. What if he goes after some of Paul Pierce's gals that he brought on with Garnett? See, that's where you're wrong, AJ. Those are Bill Belichick's gals. Paul Pierce and Esther Dunn.

We don't know. We hope everybody's happy. My girlfriend for the day. That's what we hope for. My girlfriend for the day. Paul Pierce is awesome, by the way. How about Kevin Garnett? We are live.

Live. Right now. We are live. Right now. We are live. What was that on? NBA TV or what was it? I think it was on YouTube, but it's by the KG Certified, which is with Showtime. How about him at the end? How about him at the end opening his phone?

Oh, shit. No idea. Just keep living, bub. Yeah. Do it. No idea. Just keep living, bub. There's one other gal that he could go after that I'm not going to mention, but I don't think he'll do that. That'd be the ultimate. Who, Paul Pierce? Or Bill Belichick?

William Belichick. What girl? Giselle. I don't know. Just a couple of them. Everybody needs to relax. We just hope everybody finds love in their own way. I don't know what you guys are talking about. You're right. You're right. Zion's girl. I. Everybody needs to relax. We just hope everybody finds love in their own way. You're right. You're right. Zion's girl.

I think she might be pregnant. Mariah posted she was pregnant. It could be Bill's. We don't know. We hope everybody's happy. Good luck to everybody with their happiness. Did that shock you if it was Bill? No. Nothing really shocks us anymore. If Bill Belichick was the father of Mariah Mills' baby,

the lady who got the Zion tattoo and banned from Twitter in the same exact week, I would be startled. I would be shook if that was the case, that there were stories coming out that Bill Belichick on a Sunday night. What would it take to shock A.J. Hough? Would that surprise you? No, that wouldn't? What would it take to shock A.J. Hogg? Would that surprise you? If Bill Belichick... No, that would surprise me. It would not shock me. There's not much that is shocking.

If it was Blue Earth and we heard Bill Belichick was taking ayahuasca and doing that, that would also shock me. What was that? That was a year ago. Yeah. That was a year ago. He's wearing robes and beads and stuff. That'd be amazing. On the sidelines.

Imagine Bill Belichick going into a dark cave for, what if he just starts doing a full, want to find myself. Automatic Super Bowl. Oh my God. Yeah. Well, that's what people are saying with the rumors too.

Man. It's good. He can spend more time. Yeah. It does. We hope everybody's happy. Everybody. Yeah. Me too. okay. We hope everybody's happy. Everybody. Yeah, me too.

Really? I mean, that is not an easy. That's a long time. If that's happening. He takes, like, what, a week off? So he had to handle that all in a week? Yeah, exactly. And that's why the Nantucket is the, that's where he always goes for that time.

So a lot of the assumptions are that is where. So everybody in Nantucket is just like, Bill Belichick's coming here, everybody be cool. Exactly. Bingo. Guy gets four days off. He's going to be here. He's going to go into the grocery store to act like a human.

You act like humans as well. Just kind of understood up there. Is it a very affluent place? It is very affluent. All the prices there are ridiculous. I do know for a fact, neighbors, Chargers fans, he's got some bushes that kind of divide the two houses and cover the ocean view.

Chargers fans walk over to Bill. Bill, garage door open, he's lifting weights. They ask him if he would cut his bushes down. He said no. Told the fuck off. We need to see this. Yeah, that is a real story That's a real story that's been told

I know the Chargers fans So that is what happened Has that been documented? I don't know if it's been documented He didn't actually say fuck off But he did say no I'm not doing that You see the landscape architecture

Not a chance Then I got the other side you see I don't have time I got four days Yeah that's what we're saying We're here like The whole summer Can you please

Just cut those edges No Bill's awesome Hey thank you for your commitment To football Bill Love you Bill Let's go to some phone calls here As we wrap up this

Danilovsky's a good guy Thursday Yeah Yeah Well Really Might be Might Make home again What are you trying to see If he sent thelovsky's a good guy Thursday. Yeah. Might be.

What are you trying to see? If he sent the check? It's a good idea. He started sweating more and rubbing his head when you said 5K. We haven't got the wire yet. Oh, it's 10K. I know. So, he might be dead. I don't say the wire's not here yet. I don't make the rules either. He doesn't answer since it's 15, right?

Yeah, it has to be. Or do we double it? For those that don't know, Dan Orlovsky lied. People died. Yep. Is he on ESPN today? I don't know. Is the sky blue?

That's a good question. Right now, it's kind of smoky. Today, it's actually not. Yeah, it's kind of smoky. The AQI. I don't know. I just looked out that front door. It looks like the sun's out. It didn't rain, Pac-Man. just something to think about what's that yeah i guess the uh it's only gone

down to 15 it went from 55 to 15 outside little slight gusts eight miles an hour i almost feel though like what's the aqi it's high that should be a big part of unhealthy i kind of want to like talk about i think we want you to run with a good hammy, though, don't we? I agree. Yeah, 100%. Yes, we do. Definitely. You really do?

Even me, Ben, over four and a half. I don't want him to pop that thing straight off the bone if he tries to go out there and he runs a four-three, but he rips his hamstring off. I'm cool with that. No, you shouldn't be. He runs a four-three. He's not going to run a four-three. It takes, what, two weeks? I'm saying, like, if I pull it, pull it.

Yeah, but, like, also. No point. There's no game tomorrow. Yeah. All right. You're not going to. I don't play ball no more. No, yeah, you're right.

You've got nothing to save you for. Coaching football would suck. So you're just going to run right now? Is that what we're doing? Is that what we're doing? AQI is currently very unhealthy out there. Really? Yeah.

What is it? We're not doing a triathlon. The rain was supposed to get the AQI better. So now that the rain's not coming, it feels like we're going to have to sit on another AQI. Son of a bitch. I'm about sick of the AQI being what it is. It was so bad in the city again.

Call AQ. Can you call AQ? We've got to talk to him about this fucking eye. Ask him where eye is. How did these fires start, and why are they still burning? And why is it here for the first time ever? The guy that I showed, we used his graphic from Wish TV yesterday, currently at 156, which is unhealthy, but we're going back down.

Going back down, which is good. We're almost on the orange there. The guy that we used the graphic of yesterday about Wish TV, about Dubai is at this, Indianapolis is at this, these other cities are at this. He gave an explanation about the ceiling and the winds and why it's sticking around. This graphic, the guy that made this,

I did not know that a human made this. I just thought the network made this. I would have given credit to the human if I would have seen it. I apologize. But he followed up with an answer about, like, I guess the ceiling right now is dense and then there's a wind. The wind isn't coming in. I saw that tweet as well.

But first time ever? Is that what they're saying? I don't like when first time ever is happening. I always enjoy when they say, this is the blank since blank. Right. Because then we know the earth has seen it before. Like, oh, this hasn't happened since 1920. Well, in 1920, they had to be fucking mind-blowing.

Just like we are, because who knows how they even handled it. Anytime you hear, like, hasn't happened ever, it's like, alright, well, let's talk about this now. How in the hell do you know? Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might know about his name is in the fucking title. AQ Shipley. Here we go,

AQ. AQ. Where we at here? AQ. The AQ Shipley AQ AQ The AQI What's this doing to the AQ name and why is it happening the way it is Air quality index Isn't that what it means Yes Nailed it Alright thank you AQ Shipley

Good to see you That was really good That is exactly what it is He got it right Good to see you. That was really good. That is exactly what it is. He got it right. I've never seen somebody get something more right. That was unbelievable. How do you know?

Let's go to Jackson in Florida on the five-hour line. Jackson, what's going on, pal? Hey, how we doing? Keep it moving. Hell yeah, Jackson. Go ahead, bub. Hey, so before I get going, congrats on the big moves upcoming. And Ty and AJ, go pack, go.

Hell yeah. Want to talk about potential vitamin use in the NFL for players. Obviously, the NBA turned a full 180. It seems like a good time for the NFL to do this. We got bigger stories going on with the gambling. We got a new NFL PA executive director. We've got one of the faces of the league in Aaron Rodgers talking about plant medicine. What are your thoughts,

and how does that kind of thing come to be? Good call, Jackson. I think we're right alongside everything you're saying. It would be a good, it would be an easy, and I guess with the players kind of fucking up here with the gambling, even though the NFL takes money from gambling places, which is always going to be how it is with business.

It used to be like this with alcohol. Players couldn't promote any alcohol. They actually made a mockery of that with the Patrick Mahomes thing with Coors Lightberry because that used to be the actual rule. Players and coaches were not allowed to promote alcohol. Even though you go onto a football field, there's a chance that I could punt a ball in warm-ups into the Crown Royal suite that is on the field itself, right around kids and everything like that.

So that rule changed, obviously, because it was archaic. The gambling one will never change. And right now, it's like the players look stupid. So if the NFL kind of gaining an advantage public perception-wise, players look dumb, players are fucking up, and they were also going to be like, we're also not testing for marijuana, it wouldn't be a bad leverage play PR-wise for the NFL to do that. But the NFL would want that to be the main focal point of the conversation, that they're giving up testing marijuana because they would want a victory lap.

They want something. Yeah, they would want a victory lap for that as well. They would want to be celebrated. So I think you're on to something there, Jackson, but I don't think the timing necessarily makes sense in my eyes, AJ. Well, I think the owners absolutely 100 100 know it's just a matter of time before it is legal in the nfl and they stop testing for it they've already backed down on the testing i know that but they're just waiting for when when they want to negotiate hey what do

we want to we we don't care about testing for weed but we do care about money so we're going to use this when it comes to negotiating something where we can get some more money back and hopefully lord has that already like thought about his counterpoints to it all and everything, you know what I mean, Pac-Man? And I think it would be good for him to say, hey, I got this done. Roger Goodell or Lorde? No, Lorde.

He's just getting in his spot. But I don't think, what is it, 15% now I think the test went down to? But you know how it goes. It's business. So they want us to give up something to get something. I forget what we gave up last time to get the test to go down. Oh, 17 games.

Yep. Yeah, the games. That's what we did. We did the games. I think that was a part of it. Yeah. Sure. We gave up something.

Thursdays. Ladies and gentlemen, there's some breaking news coming out of New England. It's not about Bill and his personal life. It is about. Nice. Linebacker Jawan Bentley getting a deal done with Bill Belichick. Two-year, $18.75 million

max deal. Includes $9 million fully guaranteed. This is continuing to be saving money, or what is this here, Boston Connery? Yeah, I think clearing up more space for a possible one-year deal, because I know they want to do multi-year deals, but maybe if there's a superstar out there for a one-year deal, it gives you a little... Anybody.

It could be DeAndre Hopkins. It could be Thomas Morristead. Who knows? Thomas Morristead's on the Jets. I don't know if that's going to happen. Son of a bitch. I thought he was a free agent. But there is a lot of moves being made right now. Yeah, which I do... To clear space for next year's cap. Yeah, which I love. Guys are getting paid.

We're happy for that. Congrats, Juwan. Juwan Bentley, definitely our best run stopper, middle linebacker by far. But knowing the timeline that Ravshi talked about with July, mid-July, kind of when those guys start to get signed, the free agents, hopefully that's kind of matching up here. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Brandon in Indiana. What's going on, Brandon?

Hi, you're fired. I've got two things for the team here. This is a conspiracy. Is that Trump? First time anybody's ever seen it. That seems kind of odd. So, uh, they want to look into that Boston Connor when you get on TikTok

later. What'd you say? I don't have TikTok. That's a China app. I think we're on TikTok. What is your problem? I don't either, but I think the show is on there. That's the show's problem.

Well, you're right. The show's making decisions out here. I didn't hear one thing, though, about the other day from... Oh, no, after the show. I asked him. He said, delete TikTok right away. China has their fingers all over it. Oh, I did not hear that. That was a huge

chat call. Sorry about a talk. Don't worry. I didn't know that was a thing. China's watching talks on their probably turning it off because they don't want to see what's on there. All right. Product on that fire. Hell yeah, go put some product on that fire. Hell yeah, Brandon. That was a fucking fire call.

You wanted to fire him immediately. What did he say? Pac-Man, go put some product on your fire. Yeah. I think he said, if you guys think this is the first time, go look at TikTok. First time for what? The smoke. TikTok showed that we had this in the past. Go look at TikTok. What? First time for what? That is basically what I heard. Uh-oh, TikTok showed that we had this in the past.

I have no idea what that guy was saying. Me neither. But I did like that he came in. You're fine. I like that he came in early and fired Ty, though. He kind of did that for us. You're fine. Sounded just like Trump.

We need to have that guy on so you and him can talk about playing Thunderball against each other. Sounds good. I don't think we're going to, though, because his main advocacy right now is just to make me feel bad and feel like I'm the worst person on the face. Hey, guilt trips are tough, though. I don't like guilt trips. He did block me. He blocked me. He blocked him after sending the email

to the boss, man. It's alright. You guys are going to shake Hans afterwards. I know it. I can tell it. He's been in media a long time. Let's go to Gavin in Arizona on the 500 phone line. What's going on, Gavin? How we doing? Keep it moving?

Hell yeah. This is a debate my buddies and I always have. You can pick any par three in the world, and you have water but no food. Are you going to hit a hole in one first or are you going to starve first? Oh. Interesting. Water but no food. Yep.

Any hole in one, any par three in the world. I don't know any par threes. What do you mean? The famous par threes? No, so like I think you could, yeah, TPC Sawgrass has that. Island Green. Pebble Beach. Pebble Beach.

And then down at Amen Corner 12 at Augusta. I think that's a famous one. You could find like an 80-yard par 3 out there. Yeah, your local community shots at it all day. The one at LACC. And then my body just has to not starve itself to death, and then I have to hit a hole-in-one. Yeah.

I think I'd be able to hit a hole-in-one. Oh, because you can last like over a week without food, but in three or four days, you're going to be dead without water. So he's saying, are you going to... You got water. Yeah, but I've heard people water for 40 days. Yeah, Russell O'Koon just did. Yeah, so I got 40 days straight just to try to hit a fucking hole in one. You get popped.

I got to hit a hole in one. You're definitely going to die. I think you put one in accidentally. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you think. But then you're dead if you don't, so you better lock it. You know how many balls you can hit out of a green in a week? There's probably a 50-yard par 3, too.

We've got to find that. Yeah. Par 3 course. Because it's not just necessarily at the beginning you're going to want that, but once you get malnourished and tired, you're going to be hitting the driver off that thing. Exactly. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Trying to get it in there. Yeah, if we go to a par 3 course, because there's a lot of 50-yard par 3s in par 3 course. I'm tired. You're going to be hitting the driver off that day. Exactly. You know what I mean? Pucking it. Trying to get it in there. Yeah, can we go to a par 3 course? Because there's a lot of 50-yard par 3s at par 3 courses. Yeah, you said any in the world. You said any par 3 in the world. Yeah, we'll go to Scally's. Does watermelon fall under food?

What's that, pal? Does watermelon fall under food? Sure does. Ooh. Little loophole, I'd call that. Sounds like you got your answer back there. Anything you chew. Ross Chastain's winning out there.

Yeah. Can you drink your own pee out of a life straw? You don't have to. You have water. Sure as hell can. Listen, if you want to drink your piss, do it. I don't want to. I don't want to at all. I'm sick of you talking about it. I want to see if someone drinks their own pee out of one of those life straws

if it works. It does. What are you talking about? There's people that actually shoot it up and then they just catch it to the tip of their little donger and then they just drink it right out of there? No, they shoot it up and then they just... Yep. Catch it to the tip of their little donger and then they just drink it right out of there? No, they shoot it up and then they... Yeah, they piss straight up. Catch it in that...

That's way more impressive. Talented. That's what I'm saying. That's the type of people we're dealing with on the Appalachian Trail. Yep. You think they like LifeStraws? They don't like LifeStraws.

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Yeah, it just says they don't recommend it. It doesn't mean you can't do it. Well, I thought we was using the LifeStraw because we didn't have water. No, LifeStraw is to pull out water from like... You could use like river water to dilute your pee. Right. Yeah. I mean, we're using the LifeStraw because we don't have water. No, we do have water. We don't have clean water. Yeah, because you

could use the LifeStraw and find like animal poop and shit like that and stick the LifeStraw and suck all the water out of there and it's, you know, basically like having a bottle of Dasani. Is it going to be a smoothie or will it be a straight water? I think it's just straight liquid. I'm happy

we all have at least one of these on us at all times. Always. Oh, big deal going on with Costco right now buying those. Eight packs. Eight packs for LifeStraws? Yeah, you want me to get you one? Well, don't waste your money there. You know what's interesting is there's a chance that we never find out. You know?

I hope we don't. That's not a bad business to be in. Right. You never know. It might happen. Like the prepper community? Well, I know there's breakout cars and vehicles and rooms that are certainly going to be used at all times, especially because you've got to be ready.

But that life straw is when push comes to shove. You know, that is. If you really need that, yeah. That's the last line of defense. And if it doesn't work, the other people that told you it was going to work and made money off it, say, well, sorry, fuck. And then they're all dying too.

Exactly. Not a bad business. Interesting. Very. So Drew Rosenhaus is getting investigated by PETA. Yep. Right? Because of him touching that shark.

I believe the police are looking for the video of Tyreek Hill saying, oh, go on. Bop, bop, bop. On a guy's back of his head. That's updates on the other side. They have it. Don't they say they got to put out the body cam footage? Oh, yeah.

The NFL asked for it. Oh, the NFL. Sorry. The NFL asked for it for their own investigation. And the police didn't care. But the NFL said, we need to fucking look into it. Roger Goodell said, I've seen you guys not care before, and then I say something, then all of a sudden,

I'm the one that gets dumped on and not you guys. So we need to go ahead and see that and see what's going on just so we can clear ourselves from any future what-the-fuck moments like we have had in the past. There's something else popping off with body cam. Oh, yes. This cop, have you seen this? Oh, the guy that went after the mass shooter?

Yep. Talking to family, talking to kids, just like serving the community, this cop. Having a full on, hey, just do this. Make sure you wear your seatbelt. Wear your seatbelt. Probably go try hard in school. And then all of a sudden, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop happening. And like, go find some safety.

And then in a minute, it's a span of an entire minute, a police officer's life goes from talking to a kid about wearing a seatbelt and being a good human to holy shit. There is a mass shooting going on. I'm the only human here that can stop this. And I also have to radio it in so we can get help. I need all the help we can fucking get. There is a shooter here. And then hide and then and then hide and then

fucking kill a guy who certainly would have just accidentally, no matter how bad of a shot, accidentally would have hurt numerous more people, killed more people. If there was any fear at all in this dude's heart, more people are dead.

It was awesome to watch, and I'm happy that that is the body cam footage that we got to see as opposed to what it normally is. Shout out to this guy. I forget his name. I don't think they released his name. He was where? He was in Texas somewhere.

Plano, I think? I think it was maybe, no. He single-handedly did it. You can see he's talking to his people, and he goes to his car, gets the old rifle, and runs what seems like 800 yards, and then, boom, takes this guy out, and he's like, oh, he's down. I got him. And then he takes off and goes and does something else.

Allen, Texas. Allen. Allen, Texas. Guy didn't even get inside. Like, he kills the guy outside, too, and usually, like you just mentioned... Wasn't he inside shooting, or no? Yeah, well, he killed him outside. I don't know if he was inside, to be honest.

But I don't think anyone died, right? There was a bunch of gunshots. Oh, really? They didn't get anybody? There was a lot of gunshots. It was a firefight. Yeah, it felt like a— No, I'm saying when he was running in beforehand,

I don't know how many shots there was, but there was a bunch you heard. I can't remember, but I don't know if anyone died. I didn't see— Yeah, other than the shooter. May 6th. May 6th? Ith i think man shout out to that guy yeah that was unbelievable we appreciate the hell out of you dude honestly and you hope that every cop is prepared and in that situation eight people died that day it could have been so much more and obviously we're very sad that eight people died and we hope that that type of shit doesn't happen anymore although it's becoming far too fucking common it feels like in the society in which we're

in and we hope it figure it gets figured out but like cops you hope that the cop that shows up on the scene in which you are needing help or needing to be saved is able to execute the preparation and the planning but in humans not everybody's going to be able to do that so this guy showcasing his training and then in the moment when push came to shove he showed up fucking awesome yeah absolutely awesome i'm happy we have that type of guy out there aj and thankful that that is his profession you know what i mean well what was awesome is he hears the gunshots he's talking to the little kids and family and he ends he doesn't like stop to radio where he grabs his rifle and he just starts sprinting towards the gunfire and then that's when he he's like oh i should probably call in some backup for this one and as he's

running towards it it's crazy absolutely crazy legend shout out shout out shout speaking of shout outs um shout out to tom cruise just saw another behind the scenes footage of the most recent mission impossible yeah that scene was in there yes where at the end yes yeah Just saw another behind-the-scenes footage of the most recent Mission Impossible. That scene was in there? Yes. Where? At the end? At the end, yeah. And it was sick.

You saw it, though. I saw that Tom saw your kind words, though. Yeah, Mission Impossible did post. He runs that account. Us approved. Tom knows. Tom has heard about us. Man, we've got to get him on.

I approved the movie without even seeing that scene. Yeah. Or the motorcycle scene. Right. It was all in like the last hour. You ever seen Magnolia? Yeah, Chip and Joanna Gaines. Nope. It's a Tom Cruise movie. One of his best. He has long hair. It's great. Frank J. Mackey.

Oh. He plays a great character. Really kind of out of the out of the normal range of what he normally does you know he does everything i guess he has the ultimate range but he was he plays like a self-help would you call it self-help guru it sounds like aj's trying to kind of put don tc no that was this movie no trust me my whole college that's all we did was say magnolia lines to each other on the field because of Tom Cruise. Wow. Tom Cruise is the reason why you won five overall.

That's sweet. In those big moments, whenever the intensity and anxiety could have been high, AJ looks around the group and says, hey, boys, insert line here from Magnolia. Wow. I didn't know that. Congrats, Ohio State, having this guy as their guru. What the fuck is this? Can't wait to watch this.

It is a good movie. It's like Tom and the Last Samurai. Whoa. It is. It's kind of bizarre. Yeah, it's a little out there, but it's good. Well, if A.J. Hawk is recommending it, then yeah. I am.

So is General Bob is a big fan. General Bob knows every line still. That's a game changer. Yeah, let's give him a call and see if he's... But we know he loves outlines of Game of Thrones and all that. He is a great member. Give him a call and see if he's... But we know he loves outlines of Game of Thrones and all that. He is a great member.

Can somebody... How they... Bob Carpenter. What's he doing, like, day to day right now? Boozing. Does a radio show every morning, 6 to 9 a.m. Works out before that. Probably works out after that.

And then goes and does five other... A million other things. Bob's always on the move. Driving the HVAC. He didn't answer. He must be in the middle of fixing an AC. Let's go to the phones before we get to headlock. He does a lot of serious stuff, too.

He does serious stuff with Jacob Hester. Oh, that's a good pairing. Meathead Radio, they call it. Is that what its actual title is? I don't know if it's the actual title. I think they self-proclaimed title maybe, and then they have sweatshirts of it. I know I got a sweatshirt.

While they're bopping pre-workouts before they go in, before they get behind the microphones, they're like, me, the radio. That's what they're doing, you think, AJ? Maybe, yeah. What's going on, Sirius? Who's over there? People still over there, Sirius? Howard Stern.

Conan. Matt Dogg. Howard Stern. Conan. Yeah. Matt and Kelly. The Doggy. Yep, Doggy. I don't know. NFL Radio. After that. Sirius XM, NFL Radio.

Games. What is their future? Yeah, what does the future look like for Sirius? That's a question. It's got to be music, right? Just music. So Warren Buffett owns it. And Warren Buffett owns a bunch of the cars, too.

So I think Sirius is always going to be on cars. There are a ton of music stations. So I think music probably is the thing. They just wanted to take place of radio, I think, is what they wanted. So if you own all the cars, then you can own your own radio thing. And it is nice if you're driving long distances, they still have all the NFL channels where you can listen to every NFL game if you want to.

You just do it on your phone, though. You just get the app on your phone. NFL Plus. Playing phone tag with Daniel Lawson. Okay. Again. If he doesn't answer, I'm done with him. Yep.

I already am. Join the club. He's answering. He's about to answer. I got to sit on my nose. It's going to hurt so bad. I'm seeing it right now. He's answered. He's about to answer. I got to sit on my nose. It's going to hurt so bad. I'm seeing it right now. It's right here.

Hi, Dan. What's up? We just want to let you know you look properly jocked right now. Oh, my God. We're live. Don't swear. We're live. We're live.

Yeah, everybody doesn't need to hear a fudge or anything out of you. We want to let you know. AJ just said a very good compliment. Hey, we want to let you know that we thought maybe we were a little hard on you earlier, but you need to hear it. So we just needed you to know that. And also, has the check already been written for $5,000, $10,000? What is the end of $50,000, $20,000? What do we end up on? And is everything all right?

Everything's great. I have not written a check yet. Mainly just because I don't know who the check is going to go to or if there's going to be multiple checks. Maybe a couple different charities can benefit a little bit. I don't think I'm going to let you kind of peer pressure me into writing a $10,000 check. I literally did the right thing, just was dumb.

I'm going to write a check. For five? I'm going to write a check. Five. Ask him how much. Who was keeping the scorecard? Is he? How much?

Supporting the troops. I mean, I haven't made that decision yet. Oh, no. $500 is a lot of money, dude. For literally me texting you, hey, I just want to let you know, there's three holes that were under construction. The course was super wet. Bob K.

Trying to do the right thing. All right, you will. We know you will. And if you don't, we will, we will obligate you to be the ones to tell you. Yep. Yeah. So don't hold that against us. Yeah, you muted yourself.

That's good. You played yourself. Yeah, you muted yourself. All right, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. This guy. Sounds like that's going to be 500 bucks. Yep. It does. yep it does don't love that yep well he hates charity yep last he has to be so mad he has to be so mad about this whole situation so i was forced to um i'm not forced i got to never do

it again but i got to add one of those charity events with all the yups you know what i mean they asked me to mc it it and emcee the auction. You'd be great at that. That's what everybody says. And it turns out I was okay at it. I was pretty good at it. But then there came a point in time where it was just, hey, we need people just to donate money for no reason. We're not giving them anything.

There's nothing to bid on. We just need to get to a number. So we just need you to pay. You just need to give money. Get to the goal. You just need to get to a number. We just need you to pay. You just need to give money. Get to the goal. You just need to fork over $100,000. Somebody needs to fork over $100,000. I was being told that information. Hey, we need another $100,000 in here. I'm like,

okay. Good luck. Never felt more uncomfortable. Now, it's for philanthropy. It's for charity. Poor Anthony Costanzo, though. He had just signed a deal. Oh, no. And he was right there. He was right there.

And he was there. He was forced to be there. Yeah. And I was kind of forced to be there. Mm-hmm. And I was trying, hey, they're saying, you know, you just saw a lot of really good things go, and you all chose not to buy them at a price that was sufficient enough

for us to get out of here. So we just need people to walk out of here with nothing, but also give us a large amount of money. That's what I'm being told. Nobody can leave until we. So let's go ahead and do that. Someone step up. Obviously nobody did.

Crickets. Sure. Okay. And it's at this situation where I'm the guy that's going to have to donate this to get the fuck out of here. So automatically I need, I'm not doing the whole thing. Costanzo, what a hero. You know what I mean?

Great guy. Full on. What a hero. This guy just signed a deal, came here today, loves to do it, was actually waiting for this moment to step up for this entire. Me and Costanzo, we're going 50-50 on this thing. Anthony Costanzo, you're such a good guy. You know, boys.

Yeah! Costanzo. All right, we got it. You know, boys. Yeah! Costanzo. All right, we got it. We're going to get out of here. What have I done? I'm out of here. Costanzo on the way out. The fuck was that?

$50,000? $50,000? Dude, I would have had $5,000, $10,000. $50,000? Is that what you just told these people I'm going to donate? Well, yeah, I'm donating $50,000. What about me? He's like, I wasn't the one stuck on the stage.

I am so sorry. I think I ended up getting more than he did. But he stepped up to the plate. And when we were doing that to Dan earlier, I felt like I was right back on that stage. Dan Orlovsky, yeah, with Anthony Costanzo. Anthony Costanzo is a little different checkbook than Dan Orlovsky. A little bit. Dan's got 10 kids.

But Costanzo just so mad. But then was like, no, I got to do it. I'm like, you actually don't. I was just trying to get the fuck out of here. Good guy, I think. Good guy. Bad people, there's auctioneering. Yeah, that's brutal.

Hey, you've been to those events, I assume. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It definitely helps when there's a legit auctioneer to keep it moving, though. I fucking hated it. I've never hated something more than of course you don't want that role you gotta hope someone's drunk and buys a bunch of stuff like i was at i remember being at a golf event in green bay years ago long time ago guy got drunk end up

buying a canoe end up buying a paris hilton signed guitar i didn't even know paris hilton was bought all kinds of awesome stuff because he was hammered and having a great time. Love that. And that's how they signed General Bob Carpenter. Exactly. That canoe sale, they went right into the handshake, and it was a $5,000 handshake with Bob Carpenter.

Sign me up. You guys have been cheating forever over there, right? What do you mean? Paying players, doing the backdoor, side door stuff, everything like that. College visits. That's why you guys have been good for so long? Not to me. Not to me, buddy. I wish. Okay. Yeah, sure. Because you had no leverage

they knew. They probably thought I was a snitch. Oh, that looked so good. They thought you were a snitch? That's the only reason I could wonder why no one approached me. Because you honor the flag? Yeah, because you're a hell of a football player, weren't you?

Well, no, I'm just saying people like you from the outside, like, oh, everybody's getting paid their way. I'm like, I didn't see it. I don't know. So if it wasn't you, who would it be, your number five overall pick? Is it your roommates? We had some guys get suspended for certain things at times, too, but I don't know if it was actually money. It was like, oh, this car they're driving, it wasn't't legal the rules are so stupid oh did you get a car if you

took a meal if someone bought your chipotle you could get suspended you weren't eating chipotle we know you would never do rice right yeah just oh no no chicken and rice i love chipotle oh my god how many chipotles were you purchased yeah i mean me and man gold and my other roommate johnny we walk there every day almost. General Bob Carpenter has responded about the Tom Cruise. What was his exact quote, Zito? He said that that was Tom Cruise's greatest character.

Okay. Give that a watch tonight. General Bob Carpenter is like Sisko and Ebert too. Oh yeah. It's a bizarre movie. No, they're crushing. I believe Ebert's dead. They're both dead. What? AJ! Who brought the fucking It's a bizarre movie. No, no, no. They're crushing. I believe Ebert's dead. What do you think? They're both alive. They're both dead. What?

AJ. Who brought the fucking Good News bag? I think it's Dick Fried and Roy. No pizzazz in that. I don't know. But they're the ones that do the thumbs up and thumbs down? Yeah. Two thumbs up or?

And they're dead now. Two dead thumbs. Four of them, I guess. Now it's Bobby Carpenter. You've got to have kids. Herb Street. Now some tomato farmer does all the rest. Hey, rest in peace to Cisco and Ebert. Your thumbs. Most famous thumbs of all time. Yeah. Yes, you do. Most famous thumbs of all kids. Herb Street. Now some tomato farmer does all the work. Hey, rest in peace to Cisco and Eber. Your thumbs, most famous thumbs

of all time. Most famous thumbs of all time. Talked about. Revered. Whoever, you know, invented the thumb war. Don't talk about them, though. We talk about Cisco and Eber's thumbs. Yeah, we know their names. Bad news. What's that? Siegfried and Roy are both dead, too. Fuck.

I thought it was only one of them. What's the deal? How come all these great tag teams of the past are just no longer with us? Good question. X-Pac and the Road Dogg, Jesse James and the

Badass Billy Gunn. They're still alive, yeah. The Generation X is running WWE. Don't tell me the fucking Viking Raiders are dead.

They're still alive. They're on TV. Holy shit. Good. Zion and Mariah Mills both still Eugene and The Rock are both still around. Yep. The Rock are both still around.

Yep. They had matches together. One of the greatest of all time. They didn't have matches. They had spectacles together. True. Epic. Yeah, championships.

Bob Backlund, too? Yep. I mean, AJ, we should be going to the wall. Dongo, Dongo. Bob Backlund and Arne Anderson. Ooh. The good old days. Come on.

Me walking on everybody. There's no way. I've been boxing again. Arms are real tired. Arms are real tired, AJ. You've been boxing on the Oculus, right? Yeah, the Stairmaster was kicking my dick in too much. I was like, I don't need this.

Both those things are very difficult. yeah the stair master the box is even harder the state the stair master was like really starting to break me the climbers the punishment that was our punishment in college if someone came late or missed class they'd tape your arms to the the climber yeah that's what i felt like every morning i started thinking about it when i was going to bed i'm like i need to live a better life. I need enough here. So I've gotten back into the boxing, and I'll do a little Stairmaster. But the boxing, I couldn't pick myself up off the shitter because these things back here are a little bit too tight,

a little bit of an issue. That's a great workout. They need to be marketing it strictly as a workout. The shit is a workout. It is unbelievable. They're saying it's just like boxing too. They taped your arm like SMu was doing or texas tech uh the guy tried to lean on it too much or he tried to get off like say you had an hour on

the climber i'd seen guys get their wrists taped to the rail did that ever happen to you come on craig james yeah i wouldn't touch you can't touch the railing that's the thing either luke fickle would have punched my head off if i would have touched yeah see i live by a different code on there we're just getting through it. If the whole body needs to be used, we'll fucking use the whole body. If I need to put the arms down for a good 50 to 100 steps, I'm doing it. No problems.

And then I'm checking my heart rate. 186. Whoa. I don't need to check that anymore. I'm close to dying. I don't want to see that on the screen. I already feel bad enough. Oh, no! I don't have it today. on the screen. I already feel bad enough. Oh, no. I don't have it today. Tomorrow I will.

Tomorrow you will. Tomorrow I will. Okay, so next week you're running. Yeah. There's another ball. Two more. A couple more. If I make one of these, you're going to force firepower.

It's real sunny out right now. No, I just saw there's a severe. We are in a severe T-storm. Okay. The wind is absurd. Yeah, we don't want to put all of that. Go swim across the ocean. Who?

Sharks in there. He doesn't care about your livelihood. Come on. There's lightning storms every day in here. We're inside. Yeah. The Thunderdome. This is for four or five or better.

Oh, yeah. We did it. That's it. Let's go. All right. I can't wait to watch it. Next Tuesday. Yep.

Next Tuesday, tentatively scheduled for Pac-Man to take on 40 yards at the age of 39. It's the 4th of July. Yeah. Yeah, we're off, actually, next Monday and Tuesday. Now that I'm reminded, next Wednesday. Thursday. Next Thursday. Next Thursday.

This guy's going to get bushed. One week from today, Adam Pacman Jones will take on 40 yards, 120 feet. Will his 39-year-old ass be able to run a 4.5-hour faster? Or will it be 4.5-hour slower? If he goes 4.5-hour faster, we will. What was it? be four or five one or slower if he goes four or five hour faster we will what was it we will figure it out before we do no i thought it was we were getting him what are you doing parties didn't say he would triple it oh yeah i thought we were oh i run four five a bit what are we doing

we're donating somewhere what do we know kind of gotta put a part in his head oh what a part no way 20 some months i mean yeah i would never do that see you gambled off your hair and now you're somewhere? No. A part? No way. 20-something months. I would never do that. See, you gambled off your hair and now you're trying to do it again. You can do a part on the side. Boys, boys, boys. You do a bald fade. That's easy. Get it braided. I don't hate the idea of A-braid.

Oh, A-braid? A-braid. No, I would do one small one off the back. He looks excited for this, though. Because it'll be a long braid. What about pigtails? I won't do that.

Handlebars, not good. Yeah, I don't understand how this got to me as far as what. Because you've been chirping. Die the back. You have been chirping pretty loud. I could die the back. This is personal between me and you. Oh, die.

I don't know about dying the back. Well, I'd probably just die the whole thing. Bro, why don't you just put a part on the side? I is personal between me and you. Oh, die. I don't know about dying in the back. Well, I'd probably just die in the whole thing. We should bond. Bro, why don't you just put a part on the side? I mean, what do we even? Yeah. What's a part? I think that's where I'm losing everybody here.

Just a cut. Just a line? Like the picture you showed me. Like just a line on the side of my head? A couple of them. Probably three of them starting a little higher. Yeah. Probably three different lengths.

I'll do. Hey, Brian Brown. No ice. Now I'm not sure what a part is. It's three different lengths. You're not talking about up in the meat of it, right? You're talking on the side? On the side.

You're just saying three lines. Yeah, those are sweet. Yeah, okay, that's fine. I'll do four lines. Two on each side? Ranks and strats. I think three in one. I'd go three in one.

Yeah, I'll figure out the numbers. So you'll put four... I might even do like half. Stop. Half. That's one. Don't be an asshole. If I put one half.

There's no reason to be an asshole. It's going on in my head. You should get Captain Ron's hair. No. Captain Ron. You know what? Let's work on this by next Thursday. Okay.

We'll do a donation of some sort as well. We'll figure that out. But you have to do the Marty Smith Wemby ESPN. Oh, that's on the back next Thursday. We'll do a donation of some sort as well. We'll figure that out. But you have to do the Marty Smith Wemby ESPN cover. That's on the back though. It has to be right there. I have to put something on the side? Yeah, JC, the back porch barber, has to put something

in there if he runs faster than the bus. Spaceship. You said Marty. Rocket. A big, thick USA rocket. United States rocket. Well, no, you just said Marty. What if I did Marty and McGee? Okay, that could be something. Does JC have the capability of putting Marty and McGee

in here? You're not starting, Todd. Yes! What do you think? He's a back-forged barber. Are we sure? Yeah! Just because he can cut hair doesn't mean he can put a lifelike Image of Ryan McGee on the side

Of his head You're just saying the words right M-A-R-G-E-Y That's what I thought Like a jack-o'-lantern Yeah that's what I'm thinking like Marty on one side McGee on the other Their faces

McGee He can definitely do it in that space The full name Because he can go like corner to corner McGee on the other. I'm thinking Mar, Todd, McGee. No, no. He can definitely do it in that space, the full name. Because he can go like corner to corner if he needs it. All right. So we're doing something with your hair. We'll figure it out. And then a donation as well.

Okay. All right. Good luck. You got one week to get that hamstring better. You better hope this AQI has a little rain coming. Get that stuff on it. Yeah. What was that stuff?

He just said it's fixed. I didn't know that existed. Sounds basic. Drink chrome probably. It is. stuff on it yeah what was that stuff he just said it's fixed i didn't know that exists sounds amazing probably it is you drinking i'm not getting into it yeah don't yeah don't what can't can't do this i've heard the word what is it though what you said con man knows a lot about adrenochrome yeah i've heard about it i actually uh brought it up to congressman mike elgar he was he was not as uh i'd say he was not as um known as i think being you are aj in that world yeah i don't think i know the whole knowledgeable yeah not known oh yeah we're not known in that world. Yeah, knowledgeable. Adrenochrome is a chemical compound produced by the oxidation of adrenaline. It was the subject of limited research from the 1950s through the 70s

as a potential cause of schizophrenia. Yeah. That is not what it is. I don't think Batman's taking Adrenochrome. They say it's like Illuminati use it. They don't age. Keeps you young. The blood drinkers. The schizophrenia stuff?

That might be the medical term, but that's not what it is today. Is that what you're putting on your hamstring? It's not what the lizard is taking. They don't have to take anything. What is that? Except our form. We're out of here. We'll be back tomorrow.

Ask your friend in a couple weeks. I feel like we're completely out. Steph Curry. That's who you're going of here. We'll be back tomorrow. Ask your friend in a couple weeks. I feel like we're completely out. Steph Curry. That's who you're going to ask. How come Steph didn't come on the show? I don't know. He didn't know. He never knew he was coming on. We're going to watch him play golf tonight.

We hope he loses terribly. Hope he loses bad. Kelsey Mahomes. Let's go. Let's go, NFL. Come on, NFL. NFL. NFL. NFL.

NFL. Why are they going against a guy who's better at golf than professionals? Hopefully they play around with the rules a little bit, because otherwise this is going to be very entertaining. It sounded like a shamble.

They both tee off. You both tee your drives off and then you take the best drive and you both play in from there. Steph first, Travis and Pat. Uh-oh. Sound like we're getting strokes though. If Steph's off though, I don't think they're getting strokes. They're not getting strokes. Why are we getting strokes?

Strokes are hard to explain on TV, I think. Yeah, but why do they even say the handicaps if we're not getting strokes? I don't know. It's just a question. We need to get strokes. No, it's gross. They're going to show the handicaps. Bro, it's a scramble, a shamble, a stroke.

Is Barkley doing it? Huh? Who's on the broadcast? Is it Chuck? Charles Barkley, who, quote, has resurfaced of him saying, yeah, I like to gamble. What of it? I want to die with no money. My freeloading family doesn't do shit.

That's awesome. Legend. All right, we'll watch that at 6.30, then we'll be back tomorrow with so much judgment. We have a good show tomorrow. Huge show. People, we got locked in. You know who I'm talking about?

Oh, yeah. Can't wait. All right, be a friend, tell a friend something nice, might change their life. Big shout out to Lane Johnson, J.C. Tretter, Dan Orlovsky a couple times. And also his big time donation to multiple charities.

5K here, 5K there. 5K here, 5K there. That's very nice of Dan Orlovsky to do that. We appreciate him. AJ, have a good one, pal. Thanks to Costanzo. And thanks to everybody being fantastic. We will see you tomorrow. Goodbye.