The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 945 - Dan Orlovsky, Adam Schefter, Mike Florio, Mark Kaboly, Tony Meola, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

On today's show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys discuss everything going on in NFL training camps including what's going to happen with Trey Lance in San Francisco, how great Jordan Love has looked for the Packers thus far, Anthony Richardson getting all the 1st team reps at Colts camp, and much more. Joining the progrum is 13 year NFL Quarterback and ESPN NFL Analyst/QB guru, Dan Orlovsky to chat about his Justin Fields for MVP line of thinking, which QB's he thinks could potentially win MVP over the next few years, why he thinks this year is make or break for Dak Prescott, and more (10:32-30:01). Next, ESPN Senior NFL Insider, Adam Schefter joins the progrum to discuss the 49ers QB situation, what he's hearing about Dalvin Cook, what's going on with Jonathan Taylor, all the different holdouts and injuries, and everything else we need to be aware of (52:09-1:19:28). Next, creator of Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio joins the show to chat about the NFL potentially adopting the XFL kickoff rule, and tomorrow night's Hall of Fame game between the Jets and Browns (1:56:02-2:03:10). Later, Pittsburgh Steelers beat reporter for The Athletic, Mark Kaboly checks in from Steelers training camp to give an update on the offense and defense (2:22:13-2:29:01). Lastly, one of the greatest American soccer players of all-time, Tony Meola joins the show to give his thoughts on the US Women's National Team, Messi in the MLS, and whether or not he's going to be the next Head Coach of the Men's National Team (2:30:31-2:33:42). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Wednesday, August 2nd, 2023, this sports program starts right now. Football! It's happening and there's storylines happening all over the league. We'll be talking about it all. We have two fantastic guests today, both from ESPN. The founder of the Dan Wagon, Dan Orlovsky, who got murdered by Michael Lombardi on this program yesterday, will be joining us in about eight minutes. He has a hit on SportsCenter in two seconds.

That should be about four or five minutes. Then he'll be joining us immediately afterwards. So everybody keep their eyes on that SportsCenter hit to see if he says anything more dim, because we are in the middle of Dan Orlovsky's season right now where he's making projections and predictions on things that he has seen in a couple games of film that

really rattle the rest of the sports media world. Everybody seemingly goes, what the fuck is this guy? We are in that time right now. We cannot wait to chat with him. They had him sitting in front of the ESPN newsroom this morning on first take in Get Up. He looked like he was Harvey Levin of TMZ TV. Had the entire people walking in the background. I background i'm like dano's about to get down to business

he'll be joining us in about six minutes can't wait to chat with him obviously he is one of the most interesting characters yeah sports has ever created absolutely absolutely didn't hasn't had food was sold on it until like very recently in his life. No. Loves everything shitty. Somehow was in a football locker room for a long time. Knows nothing about life or anything anywhere. No, no, no, no. People say he's a good guy though. Absolutely.

I think he's a good guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. He's going to say some dumb shit though over the next couple weeks. And we're assuming there's going to be more of that in about six minutes. Also, Shefty will be joining us. Adam Schefter will be joining us at about one o'clock, about an hour from now. Obviously, rap sheet friend of the program. We get a chance to chat with him a lot.

Chatted with him literally just yesterday. So now we're getting a chance to chat with Shefty as well. Can I wait? Different sources. Huh? What are we doing? Huh? Two tips of the spear.

We're getting an opportunity to really learn some stuff. We're very appreciative of this chef. He'll be joining us in about 55 minutes. He has all the information on what's going on in San Francisco. We know he's plugged in over there. What more does he know about the Indianapolis Colts situation with Jonathan Taylor? Maybe he's plugged in in a side that we haven't heard from yet. I can't wait to hear what we learn from him.

A.J. Hawk will be here. The Talks at Table is here at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor, and at Boston Connor's mullet with a Jaguar. I think it was a Black Panther. I believe. Very similar to the Jaguar. I think same family. You love having the jungle cats all over the chest.

Yes, love having them. I actually brought two today just in case. I liked one more than the other when I put this shirt on, but this one works perfectly. I'll save the other one for tomorrow. What was the other jungle cat that you had? The other one was a tiger with gold teeth. Not a grill, just gold teeth on the shirt itself. Grill days were awesome.

When people had grills. Oh, yeah. Paul Wall. Smile for me, daddy. Yeah. Yeah, he used to say that. One half of the hammer. Die.

Cowboys turn digits here. And the man that gifted me this thing. You had to have seen it. Yep. Whoa. How's it? Smell me? My wrist and my muscles down here in my hand getting stronger by the second here.

That's right. Because Tajee Diamonds in New York City, who obviously is 50 Cent's jeweler. Right. And Pac-Man's jeweler. Right. And numerous others. I've seen them post. I have followed along with the journey.

And Pac-Man came together to make me this incredible pinky ring. And I want to let you know, this is massive. Way too big. Can't wear it every day. But you get a gift from a friend. You got to do it. Big M's right on top of that thing. The top of the Thunderdome across the top.

It's like a fucking, the amount of attention to detail. It's like a Super Bowl ring. Established when? 2017. That's when this business started here. It's unbelievable. It is. I'm very thankful for our good friend of the program, Adam Pacman Jones.

Hey, Pac. Pac, thanks for this. There's no way I can fucking wear this in public. I look like an asshole, but I do. You look good on TV. All right. There you go. It does.

You look super. Put it beside your watch. Ha! Bam! Damn. Look pretty good. Thor. All right. There you go. It does. You look super cool. Put it beside your watch. Ha! Boom! Damn. Look pretty good. Thor's two hands. You know what?

Honestly, you know what this looks like to me? It looks like I am asking to get my ass beat and rubbed. But with that being said, I've been working out. That's right. Come ready. I've been boxing in the Oculus. If you want to peel this oversized pinky ring off of my finger, it's going to have to be my dead body.

That's right. Let's dive into some stuff here before Dan Rolofsky joins us. There's big news coming out of the Nathaniel Hackett camp. We're getting a chance to hear him talk. And last year we heard him talk a lot with the Denver Broncos, and it was always pretty miserable because what was going on over there, terrible. It was growing pains, growing pains, growing pains.

That's no fun, right, to talk about growing pains. Not at all. Then it was dysfunction, dysfunction, dysfunction. That is no fun at all. And again, ineptitude, ineptitude, ineptitude, all the while with boring football happening and he's an offensive guru.

Nightmare of a situation in the Mile High City for Nathaniel Hackett who we had learned about because at Green Bay, he was the founder of the Gold Zone, which was their red zone offense in Green Bay that was number one in the league and the one that had them all going, I love gold for the entire year. Aaron Rodgers talked about that, his love for Hackett.

Then when he goes to Denver, wishes him luck. It is abysmal. Now he's at the Jets. Sean Payton takes a shot, you know? Big shot. What's going on here last year? Shit. Yeah.

Worst of all time. Absolute crop, actually, words were being said. Yeah. And Nathaniel Hackett is trying to win over a new room. Okay? He's in New Jersey for the New York Jets, which I still believe they should put New Jersey on there once, just like a New York slash New Jersey thing.

You know, because you dunked on New Jersey just yesterday for how bad it smells in that one particular part, which is a very real thing. Yeah, I'm not lying. I'm just saying. New Jersey gets no credit really for anything. Not at all. But whenever he's trying to build up this new offensive room,

these people are just meeting him. This is their first training camp. Then you're hearing Sean Payton, a man who's accomplished so much, is a Super Bowl champion, has a respect of damn near everybody in the league. So whenever he's saying, this guy's cropped, that could be kind of tough to maybe win over a room while you're in the middle trying to teach. Aaron Rodgers feels as if

he has to come in and say, oh, is that right, Sean? Boom! Keep his name out your mouth! He did that. Nathaniel Hackett talked about the situation for the first time. He high-roaded, but also said, the fuck? It was bullshit. This is Nathaniel Hackett talked about the situation for the first time. He high-rooted but also said, the fuck is bullshit? This is Nathaniel Hackett, offense coordinator for the New York Jets, about the Sean Payton, Aaron Rodgers.

This guy sucked as a coach last year, drama. Before we get started, I just want to say something real quick. Obviously, last week has been a very unique week, I think, for this organization. I've been involved in this business my whole life, 43 years. And as a coach, you know, as a coach's kid, you know, we live in a glass house. We know that. We all live in different rooms. We all got a key for it. And it's one of those things that there's a code, there's a way things are done in that house. And, you know, this past week, it's frustrating and it sucks, but we're all

susceptible to it. There are things that you do, mistakes you make, and it costs you time on the field, costs you your job, all those things. And I own all that stuff. I mean, it's that fact. I got no excuses. That's how we live here at the New York Jets. That's how we've lived everywhere I've been. No excuses. So I own all those things. And it's unfortunate that that had to happen, the comments that were made. But hey, they did. I'll tell you, I was probably more surprised that they happened now, was definitely expecting them in week five. So I'm almost thankful that we got that out of the way. We all understand where certain people feel and think. We all understand where certain people feel and think.

And I'll tell you, you can always look at that silver lining. And, man, this organization, these players, the coaches, Sala, just the entire organization, Woody, I mean, Jaime, I mean, Gelfand, everybody has been unbelievable. I think that's something that is just awesome. It's brought our team together. Even the old players that I've coached very recently, just being able to hear them. It makes you understand that you do this for a very specific reason,

for the love of the game, for the love of teaching, for the love of watching people grow. There's ups and downs. Never get too high, never get too low. Hell, yeah. Be my fan. Got to love this stuff. Hell, yeah. Well said. Go, Hatch. Definitely pissed them off stuff. Hell yeah.

Go, Hatch. Definitely pissed him off. Oh yeah. I thought there was some sort of code amongst us coaches. We don't do that. My father, my father's father, my father's father's father, and his friends, there's certain

things you do and you don't do. And what he did, I appreciate that he took that angle because it wasn't Okay? And what he did, out of line. I appreciate that he took that angle because it wasn't like to Sean Payton. He was mad. He was just disappointed. That's right. He was just disappointed.

Because Sean wasn't wrong. And then him getting choked up. Sean wasn't wrong. Well, now that is certainly why we appreciated Sean coming out and saying that because there's been a lot of these situations in the past where the reason why there is a new head coach is normally because what was in the past was absolute shit. Let alone general managers that get hired to turn over a whole new building. This has been a situation that has taken place for a long time.

It's how people get new jobs. So Sean Payton just coming out and saying, crop, all of it. Total. Crop. Absolute crop. Guys in the league still, right? Yep, they're going to be cropped. First time we've heard that.

We're like, Sean Payton's fucked. Okay. Awesome. This is great.'ve heard that. We're like, Sean Payton's fucked. Okay. This is great. We like Hack. We like Aaron. But also, love a guy that is in that position that does something that that position doesn't normally do. So then whenever Aaron answered, I'm like, yes, this is what

we're talking about. Because this is a lot more similar to what would actually happen behind the scenes with these humans that are actually involved. So I think anytime you're starting to see more authenticity and transparency, I think it's a good thing. And then Hackett even addresses it a little bit when normally it'd be like, we're past that. It was last week.

He said like, nah, I don't really like that. So I love the way this is kind of unfolded, Pac. Your thoughts on it all, pal? Well, he didn't agree that he coached like shit last year. So I think he took that with a punch. And I like the joke that he said it should have happened week five. But if you look at the film and you turn on the film, it's bad film. Yeah.

Sean Payton even actually showed some examples. He was like, they were last in the league, or 30th in the league for both offensive, defensive play calls getting in on time. So whenever you're seeing delay of games and things not working, it's like, here's a reason. And it's not because of Danger Witch. It's not because of the let's ride. Speaking of let's ride, let's ride into a conversation with a man

who's in the middle of his fucking Super Bowl season. It is prime time Dan-O season. Because it is prime time Dan-Wagon season. And we are fording the river every single time with the Dan wagon. It don't matter who the fucking ox is. Today, Justin Fields. What? Tomorrow, Will Levis.

What? This is the time we are in, ladies and gentlemen, Dan Olofsky. Dan O! Dan O! Dan O. What's up? What's up? Congratulations to Zito on his marriage. It's awesome. Lovsky. Dano! Dano! What's up? What's up? Congratulations to Zito on his marriage. It's awesome.

Talk to you on his engagement. Is that accurate? Thank you, Dan. Plugged in. Yeah, go ahead, Dan. Thank you. Congratulations, Connor. I don't know. You get something done? You get married? Jump out of the plane, Connor. I don't know. You get something done?

You get married? Jump out of a plane, Scott. Jump out of a plane, Dan. Yeah, zip lines. I would never do that. But congratulations on that. It gets closer to God, Dan. Something to think about.

You're right. How do you feel about that, Dano? Huh? Maybe next time you go, you invite me. Maybe I'll join. You're going to have to go to Puerto Rico with him and talk. I don't know how many people are going to be necessarily signing up for that. I wouldn't.

But I'm appreciative of you joining us. I wish you would have been joining us from where you've been living all morning. Shout out, whoever the fuck that was. I wish you would have been joining us from wherever you were this morning in front of that newsroom. You look like Harvey Levin on TMZ TV. Oh, yeah. You look like it was a real thing. I thought you were breaking news at one point, and then we turn it on, it's like, oh, more Dan Wagon stuff happening. Is that a new shot?

It looks super cool. It even had ESPN newsroom in the back, and a couple arbitrary people walking through. Take some laps. With papers. On my way up. They're like, well, usually, you know, when they're in New York, they have this area. This campus is so big.

All these buildings. Like we sit in a closet, essentially. If you see like Stephen A and Mad Dog and one of us with a green screen, it's usually we're in Bristol. And we're just like in a closet. But it's like a designated closet that's there with a green screen in the background, all that on the way up here. They're like, Hey, they're doing construction on it. You got to go here. I'm like, I have no idea where that is. And then I was supposed to be in a different room. They said that wasn't working. So they're like,

we're going to put you on a chair in the middle of the newsroom. I was like, you guys know this room is designated to be quiet. People are working and writing stories or whatnot. And I am on a show that is designated to be loud. And they were and writing stories or whatnot and I am on a show that is designated to be loud. And they were like, don't worry about it. I'm like, alright. So obviously you pissed everybody off in there. Who thought of the idea though? I thought it looked cool. Yeah, it looked awesome.

I turned it up louder whenever I saw it. I'm like, holy shit, is Dan about to uncover something going on in Iowa State or in Iowa or some gammy's what's going on's. I think whoever suggested it should be applauded. Let's talk about being applauded. It is this time a season. We all know it.

We know what you're doing right now. And you will substitute. What is that animal called when it's a half man, half animal? It's like a minotaur. Minotaur. That's exactly what man, half animal. It's like a minotaur. Minotaur. Minotaur, yeah. That's exactly what I see myself as.

Yeah, so anyways. Centaur. Yeah, you get it. Oh, Dan, there it is. That's another agent asking if they could join the Danwag. So you change that horse out, though, like three, four, five times, and you ford the river every single time. You're like, nah, we're going for it. We're going for it. And then we've seen you week 11, five times. And you ford the river every single time. You're like, nah, we're going for it.

We're going for it. And then we've seen you week 11, week 12, one of these said horses that gets going. You're like, from the beginning. Is that what you're doing with Justin Fields right now? Because Michael Lombardi thinks you're putting way too much pressure on this Justin Fields guy with people hearing somebody who they respect, you, say like this guy could have an MVP season,

when there's a lot of people like, they're nowhere near that right now. What did you see that makes you believe that? And how many more people are we going to do that in this particular Dan Wagon season for? Burn up. Well, I've only said Justin for the whole offseason, so I don't really think I foreshadowed me. Yeah, it starts now.

We're in the season. People paying attention. NBA basketball happens before Christmas, they say. I would say this. One, I don't know Michael Lombardi, and I know he doesn't like me. I don't know why. I'll answer the Justin Fields part of it. We don't know either,

by the way. We love it. I don't know him, no. I just know he doesn't like me. Okay, so I'll address the Justin thing and then why I think it's realistic to say it. Okay, so last year going into the season, you guys know this, I said it was the worst situation for a quarterback to be in in the NFL. Bottom five offensive line and bottom five skill group. And it was as bleak as it could get. Then Justin goes and accounts for, in his first year with Luke Getzey's offense,

he accounts for 25 touchdowns and over 3,000 yards. I think 17 throwing and 8 running. So given the situation and the support, he played good. So then we go and get DJ Moore, who up until last year had three 1,000-yard seasons. So he's trending towards being a real number one wide receiver. They sure up the offensive line with Nate Davis, and they draft Darnell Wright, and people are saying Darnell Wright's going to be like a Tristan Wirfs type of impact at right tackle. So now we go, okay, offensive line has a chance to be top half in the NFL,

and wide receiver group maybe has the chance to be, let's say a top half, top 20 unit instead of being the worst. Okay. So is it unrealistic to sit there and say that coming off of a season where you accounted as a quarterback for like 3,200 yards and 25 touchdowns because of just the people that are better around you, a 25% increase, you know, so we're saying another six or seven touchdowns that we account for and maybe another 800 to 1,000 yards. So then that sets Justin right around like, I don't know, 32, 34 touchdowns and 4,000 yards. I would sit there and say that's MVP-level football quarterback.

So that's the first part. I love that you're just ipso facto'd with projectional potential. MVP level football quarterback. So that's the first part. That's the first part. I love that you're just ipso facto'd with projectional potential upgrade numbers. 25% increase in wins from four to five wins? Yeah, that would be 25%.

I don't think, but I'll go back to this. When was the last time we saw a team with a young quarterback that was really talented upgrade that talent around him and the kid not take a pretty decent jump? We're on your side. We think he's going to be better. I think what everybody's saying, though, is to say this guy's going to be MVP. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I also said I don't think he wins MVP because I don't think the Bears would be good enough. Whoa. MVP level, MVP level football. And I said this to you on the phone the other day. Like if we were just, we have to stop thinking that there's only three or four quarterbacks that could win MVP realistically. And you guys disagree with me. If you don't think Josh Allen went MVP yesterday.

No. Kenny. Yeah. We're called Aaron Rogers. We, yes. realistically, and you guys disagree with me if you don't think, Josh Allen win MVP? Yes or no? Can he? Realistically. Yeah, we're called sure. Aaron Rodgers. We. Yes. Lamar Jackson. Yes. Joe Burrow. Yes. Trevor Lawrence. Yes. Tua? Trevor Lawrence, I don't think.

You don't think Trevor Lawrence could win MVP? Oh, I think Trevor Lawrence could win MVP. With what Calvin Ridley looks like he's in. Holy shit. But I think like last year was his? Oh, I think Trevor Lawrence could win MVP. With what Calvin Ridley looks like he's in. Holy shit. But I think like last year was his, hello, I'm Trevor Lawrence. This is kind of like the Justin Fields thing. I feel like to win MVP, like you have to have like, I think it's like. Next level.

You know, like, because you're going to have to win over a lot of old fucks. They're going to have to see it. Can he be in that conversation? I think so. Could he play? Okay, Jalen Hurts. Yes. Oh, yes. Okay. Geno Smith?

Maybe not. Probably not. I'm not... Hey. Go win that, Geno. Go win that, Geno. It's going to be tough, though, just because how people view him, I think. That's a big part of it, the MVP voting, is the humans are doing the voting. You know what I mean? So you kind of got to

play that game, but you're just saying MVP caliber style football. Right. Like in that conversation where you sit there and go, this guy won it. This guy's numbers are relatively close. And that's why I sit there and go, well, there's more than four or five guys that are going to play to a pretty darn good level. And depending on maybe they take a bigger jump than we expect. And then my last part with the Justin thing is this.

This offense that Luke Getzey's play call runs is the Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan offense. We all know that that takes quarterbacks and gets them to perform maybe better than their talent should allow it. We've all seen it. We see it with Baker Mayfield. We see it with Jimmy Garoppolo. We saw it with Ryan Tannehill.

We've seen it with Kirk Cousins. We've seen it with Baker Mayfield. We've seen it with Jimmy Garoppolo. We saw it with Ryan Tannehill. We've seen it with Kirk Cousins. We've seen it with so many different quarterbacks. I would say that Justin's as talented as most of those guys, if not more physically talented. So if you take those quarterbacks that have been in that system and you put them in that second year of that system, on average, now it's not foolproof, on average, those quarterbacks go for like 4,100 yards and 32 touchdowns.

Woo! Go Bears! Better die! Lock it in. I don't think it's that outrageous. I don't think he wins it because of guys that will play better. More ridiculous shit. Come on, Dan.

That is what Dan just said. I've had much more ridiculous thoughts than this. And if we do think back, and we were actually on the team of, there was conversations because the Bears had the number one overall pick last year. Worst team in football. Yes. Very bad. So bad at football.

Yeah, terrible. Actually deemed the worst team. Like, hey, you know what? You guys actually need the first, you know what I mean? You guys need that. You did. Great win. Yeah, good win. Great win. Solid. actually need the first you know what i mean you guys need that you did great win yeah but then there was a thought like oh you trade justin fields draft bryce young right yeah and

we were very much on the field like what like justin fields was the only positive thing to your team last year like the only you watch the game and you like watch bears football it's like oh they got a guy that can move that that guy can move. Seems to be electrifying. When he has the ball, he could score. But boy, this team sucks. You know what I mean? So when they were talking about trading him to get somebody else, we were all very confused. Just saying that he's going to have that massive of a jump,

I think puts expectations at a place that is seemingly going to be very difficult to get to. But I think Justin Fields feels the same way. With DJ Moore, that interview they gave, they seemed very relaxed. He's eating fish now, too. He's got fish oils in the joints. Now, we're really starting to roll. I appreciate that. The boys

have some questions for you. I'm excited for them to dive in. Last one from me is this. I think you were on the Anthony Richardson camp early, right? Yeah. First game of the year last year. Okay, so... The Dan Wagon pulled up. He called the game.

Pulled up. LSU? Was that the LSU game? No, Utah. No, that was Florida-Utah. I went on Feinbaum's show, I think, that week, and I said, if he never takes another snap in college football, he's a guaranteed top-ten pick. Okay, so let me tell you about what I've seen at training camp, and then I want to hear your thoughts

on it all. This dude's fuck unbelievable. This dude's really good. He is phenomenal. And this is embarrassing to say, and I hate when people say this, so I don't want to do this type of thing, but there's some shake there that make you, like, really think, like, oh, this dude's got, like, Cam Newton size, has some real shake,

you know, has some real shake you know has some real wiggle like we're talking about not i'm not saying he's lamar is an untackleable sure incredible anomaly yeah michael vick same thing i'm not talking this dude's wiggle though is like elite like i i think he's going to be shaking people I think he's not going to get hit that much, even though he's 6'4", 250. And then his throwing motion, he just, I mean, we're talking about just a flick of the wrist in the revolutions, the velocity, how fast the ball's spinning, real fast. We're talking about, like, throw in fucking darts. He has the chance. I think everybody in the building is like, oh, my God, we got a guy here.

Now, with the Jonathan Taylor situation doing what it's doing right now, which is very loud, very ugly. Shane Steichen's trying to put an offense in. We got a rookie quarterback going in there. Everybody else seems to be bought in but the running back, Jonathan Taylor. Do you think that, like, fucks up anything with Anthony Richardson's development? Do you think there's any stuff up anything with Anthony Richardson's development? Do you think there's any stuff that we need to worry about lingering that can kind of make this Colts

team continue just to be a cycle of seeming ineptitude and with all good players and just not being able to, or should we not even think that Jonathan Taylor thing matters about what's going on everywhere else on the team? No, I think it definitely matters because the Colts are going to be a run-centric football team. They're going to be a zone-read-centric football team. And so it's silly for us to sit there and say that a guy that was second in Offensive Player of the Year voting just 18 months ago and sixth in MVP voting, Jonathan Taylor, is not going to factor into the development of the quarterback,

especially with, I think, Zach Moss just got hurt. It was their backup, right? Yeah, he's back week one, though, they said. Hey, Jonathan Taylor, he's back week one. They said that. Yeah, yeah. I know this might sound silly, but if we just took it to the football field, that zone read, which the mesh point is such a big deal,

and that's a repetition thing that is needed between quarterback and running back for the feel of all that stuff. And the kind of like the, the nonverbal body language, I think that factors in as well. So I, I, I don't, I hope it gets resolved and it's not a big kind of obstacle that they have to get past. I think the biggest thing that they'll have to get through outside of that stuff with Jonathan, when it comes to Anthony is Anthony, he'll have to find ways to be consistent and grow into that NFL world and that's going to

be a challenge and two when guys are so ridiculously talented like that they think that every play could be a splash in the end you know that you guys know this like the NFL just takes that away from you and so how disciplined in his consistency can he get to allow the talent to be on that display i hope i hope i'm hoping and i pay a lot of money for those tickets to that game oh yeah i'm just at that one practice i saw more exciting shit than i saw all last season yeah huge and all those games so i'm pumped about it welcome to the city uh ty has a question about a guy who's maybe getting kicked out of a city yeah dan i know, I know every time you see a training camp video, we need to take it with a grain of salt because everyone,

their initial inclination is just either this guy's the best guy ever or this guy absolutely sucks. But we're seeing a bunch of videos coming out from Dak throwing bad picks in camp. He led the NFL in interceptions last year, and then he's getting into it with Trayvon Diggs. Trayvon Diggs telling him, you know, shut your bitch your bitch ass up all this different stuff but they're talking about him potentially winning mvp like is are we at like kind of a breaking point for dac this year like does he really

need to put everything together um or is there like a chance that he might not be the guy in dallas going forward yeah i think yes realistically this is that's fair to say about this season now next year his cap hit a 60 million dollars so there's the report that they're going to restructure the contract because of that and all that we'll see if that actually happens so i think some of the interceptions on dac last year are his fault and i think forcing the football and receivers having to get separation, I'd say this. I get more concerned as the days go on this offseason about what's being said in Dallas about Dak.

Go back to the offseason and it's like Mike McCarthy wants to run the football, run the football, run the football. Then the owners come out, Jerry Jones, like we just got to get Dak to not turn the football over. And you guys noticed Pac and Pat being in the locker room. And now Dak's like, I guarantee you I don't throw 15 interceptions and I just started thinking like yo is he just going to play so

cautious and so scared and so hesitant because he's not in camp it's going to be I remember in 2014 or 15 we had the same situation Detroit the coaches were trying to like rein Matthew in and they were like hey we're just going gonna play great defense and really good special teams and don't

turn the ball over and I and it just like crippled them and honestly and I remember having conversations with them to the point where I had to walk into the head coach's office and be like if you guys don't stop saying this stuff to him you're gonna lose him like you're gonna you're gonna take away the superpower that he has. And I'm not saying Dak is Matthew, but I've just seen this happen with quarterbacks before where you hear it for such a long time that you can't be good at that position

unless you're aggressive with the football and put it in harm's way occasionally. It's a fine line between aggressive and reckless. It's a huge year and I just get more concerned as the days go on about what I'm hearing. You got another hit in like four minutes, so Pac-Man's going to ask you this question, just giving you a heads up. You got to head back to the newsroom.

Go ahead, Pat. What's taking Davin Cook so long? Do he have to meet the commissioner, or he's already clear for everything to sign with the team? I don't think he has to meet with the commissioner. I don't know. I have no idea if there's off the field stuff. I'm sure he's just trying to drum up leverage and interest to try

to get as much as he can. He just went to Pro Bowl like four years in a row and got cut. So there's a writing on the wall reality for him. If I were him, I'd go to the Jets. I think it's a true contender. I think he steps in and makes an immediate impact. I've been swung that way a little bit. I think maybe they want to ease Brees Hall, their second-year back, in a little bit more. Miami's a good place for him, but they've got a bunch of good backs. If I was the Cowboys, I would call Dalvin Cook, and I would call Jonathan Taylor, even if Jonathan was a one-year rental,

if the Colts are going to trade him. But if I was Dalvin, I think the Jets make the most sense. You would have to pay, I think, right? Jonathan Taylor, that's his whole thing, if you're going to trade him. Well, I mean, it's $4 million for this year, and I know Dallas has got money issues, but if you're the Cowboys and you're sitting there going, we're going all in this year, indifferent of what might be in the future,

you could do the one-year rental. I don't know what the pick would be, all that stuff, and that's not my expertise, but I would call. I wonder how that would go, because if he's pissed about a contract here, if he gets traded, there's no contract. To a franchise tag team. That would be a wild play, but maybe. Hey,

Jonathan Taylor, though, Jim Irsay, they're going to get back on that bus. They're going to figure it out. We appreciate the hell out of you, Dan. Can't wait for this fall. We're going to see more of you, I think, right? I'm going to be on a lot this fall. I mean, that's possible and capable. I hope to be on some stuff with you that I've texted you about.

Aw. Hey, I hope so, too, Dan. Love you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Rolos. When do you guys start? What? When do you guys start? I don't think the exact date's been picked yet.

It has. TBA. It has. But I don't think it's been picked yet. All right, I got to go do SportsCenter. Hey, listen. You need to have something right. You need to have some sort of journalism going on in that newsroom.

Some glasses. Glasses. Maybe put them on top of your head like you've been working, but you're dialed in now. Need you to have a piece of paper or something? Like something. I need something out of there. I'm not in the newsroom. I'm in the SportsCenter studio now.

Everybody can do that. Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy yourself, Dan Orlowski. In that newsroom. It was cool. It just changed our entire day. That's not a normal shot. Not at all. And Dan was just so perched up, too.

I don't know about Justin Fields. But the Today Show. He did look like. This thing's real, though, bro. Oh, yeah. I think it's gotten him in more trouble than anything else. Whenever he just latches this thing right behind somebody. This guy.

Good wagon. We can throw Bryce Young into the MVP conversation. We didn't have enough time to ask him. I was going to ask him about Bryce Young. All things are going good. From what I hear, and I know those people, he would probably... The way it would all go is just like Dan Orlovsky times a thousand.

He's made quite a career for himself. We didn't get a chance to ask him about his new partnership. I don't know if it's been announced. like Dan Orlovsky times 1,000. Yes. He's made quite a career for himself. He has. We didn't get a chance to ask him about his new partnership. I don't know if it's been announced or if we should announce it or not. Yeah, he's doing ads now, commercials. Excited to do that. Yeah. I'm very excited.

He told us the company yesterday, and it was, I mean, probably the first company you think of when you think of Dan Orlovsky. Yeah, exactly. Oh, okay. You know what company it is, right? Well, no, is it the Jesus is in us company that you see those commercials? It's not a company. That's all free.

Yeah. That's all for goodwill. Oh, I thought that was. Yeah, he's not selling the infinity fishes to put on backwards. That's what I thought. And yeah, he does believe in your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I'm a believer, baby, right here all day. So I'm not critiquing him.

I'm just saying. But not the American way. You believe in the Irish Jesus. Yeah, that's right here all day. So I'm not critiquing him. I'm just saying. But not the American. You believe in the Irish Jesus. Yeah, that's right. St. Patrick. Because that's a Celtic cross. Yeah, it is a Celtic cross, yes. Yeah, March 17th you're fucking praying. Bingo.

Doing your whole thing. Yeah, I'm not eating all day just for St. Patrick, you know, showing his back. Alright, let's stop this bullshit other than this. Well. There was no reason for you. That was like three shots you took at his religious views. Yeah, might as well. I was scrolling through his Twitter. It's on me.

I shouldn't do that anymore. We haven't even talked about it yesterday after the show. What's that? I don't know if you want to talk about it yet or not. What's that? What we did outside. Bro, we raced Tiny Smoke Stewart on his car. It was so cool.

So cool. I don't know how many shots we have that we can pull up right now. I don't know if there's any of them or pictures or anything like that. We had actual racing go-karts outside. Sweet. And this company, the New Castle. Was Comet involved? NMCP, I think is the name of the company.

I'm trying to read the polo on the guy's chest. What family? New. Oh. It's, oh, good people too. Good people. Good people. Hardworking.

Good. Did not complain. Nope. Anything we needed, you got it. And it was hot. Hot. It was hot. Hot.

Great people. Yeah. Newcastle. What was the letters? NCMP. There's a Newcastle Motorsports Park. That's it. There it is.

It's got to be it. Newcastle Motorsports Park came out here, brought four racing go-karts, built an entire track outside in our parking lot that spanned two parking lots. Sweet. Had two straightaways. Yep. Had two S-turns. Had a big finish. The whole thing.

It was remarkable. Sweet. The way they set this up. And then Tony Stewart was driving one of the parts and I'll tell you what. Man. That motherfucking drive. Flying. There's people you know every human on earth walks. Like everybody you would hope that is able walks.

A lot of humans walk. Then there's actual professional walkers. We see them every Olympics. Speed walkers. They're better walkers than you are. There's professional eaters. Everybody eats. They eat better than you do. Driving is just such like a standard operating thing. Everybody drives. My terribly unathletic, uncoordinated,

no sense of self-awareness having friend drives. So I think sometimes people think driving's easy, driving's easy, driving's easy. And you see like these young bucks whenever they're doing their driver's lessons and they're in cars,

you gotta beep at them and let them know that shit ain't sweet out here. You know what I mean? We gotta let them know that we're gonna drive, but everybody drives. Even old people that can't see or feel anymore, they're driving. So you don't even think about it at all. Tony Stewart drives better than you do.

Same exact car as us. Same exact track as us. Now, he is a much smaller fella than I could have imagined. Helps him, though. Liar. He was whizzing by us. Didn't lap us, though.

Did not lap us though but here's him fucking wheeling and dealing around this track and then i think that's pac-man behind him trying to cook him a little bit he's rolling so quick in such in such control that all of a sudden yeah you pass connor like he's standing still GoPro, gone. Can't handle the G-forces. No. That tiny smoke Stewart was cooking out in our parking lot. It was a blast. We have a full video, I think, probably coming next week.

Yep. That seems like the right thing. Yeah, it'll be good. Because there was a lot of it, too. It wasn't like we just did that one thing and then we were out of there. I mean, Ty was on a pace car for a little bit there, and then everyone hopped in the golf cart. That was an unbelievable experience. Yeah, there was five heats.

There was five heats, and everybody had a warm-up lap or two, and then now we're racing green flag racing. Had a couple yellow flags, a couple spin-outs. Tone took one through the grass, jumped his cart back on like it's Mario Kart, cutting in front of Bruce Brown.

Like Vin Diesel out there. You're way too fast. Too furious. There was only one spin out that really kind of stuck with everybody and it was actually from the racing state of Indiana itself. We don't want to give it away, but Bill McComas had a catastrophic event.

Worst of all time I've ever seen. He's not dead. He's not hurt. Inside he might be. Really bad. Big shout out to Tony Stewart. And I would recommend, if you're able now, it does cost a good amount of money. And I didn't grow up in a let's go go-karting house. So I understand some people that might not be.

You should remember that going go-karting is a good time. Yeah, very. It dropped into our life yesterday. Hadn't done it in a long time. It's fucking awesome so fun it's very fun if you live in a state where it's like kind of handled pretty good like safe and it's not high the engines are ready to go yeah just put this helmet on you're ready to go rip it it's a blast i recommend you go do it before this fall comes for the weather turns

yeah i agree we had a ball outside. It was really hot. You're going to get you a little sweat on, but it was fun, bro. We had a good time. Hey, you were trying to get me there. Yeah. Yeah, I was. Yeah, just a little bit too much. You didn't understand the apex.

Not at all. Smoke said, I understand the apex. Curvature. I'll be able to do that whole thing. And if you get a little bit too tight, you see that back end, you know, kind of gives out. Then you lose all your power. Yeah.

Well, there's a speed bump. We didn't account for the speed bump that was being set up during the race at the end when you make that back end kind of gives out. Then you lose all your power. There's a speed bump. We didn't account for the speed bump that was being set up during the race at the end when you make that final turn. You got to go wide right there. You actually leave the ground. It was cool. It was. We lost nobody out there. That was good. Nobody got hurt.

Smoke was pedaled to the floor from start to finish. He figured it out in the first warm-up. Watched in the first warm-up. Watched him in the warm-up. Yeah. Figure out what the line was.

Yep. And then as soon as we get going, he's in fourth place. So we don't want to give it away. He was in fourth place. Right. When you watch the video, you're going to see that he got into first place. Rather quick. Quick.

Quick. Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. There wasn't a lot of opportunities to pass either. The engines are all exact same. It was wild.

It was like, you're watching a master at work and you're just turning to your right. Where the fuck did you... How are you even here? How could you have gained any advantage at all? And then all of a sudden, it's... See you wide open. Shout out to Smoke. And the U.S. Nationals happening here even here. How could you have gained any advantage at all? And then all of a sudden, it's... See ya. Wide open. Shout out to Smoke. And the

U.S. National is happening here at the Indy Lucas Oil Drag Race and Strip Labor Day weekend. It's the championship. Here we go. I would recommend... They got cars going 330 miles an hour. They know that's possible. Yeah. Quarter mile.

Legitimate. No, 1,000 feet. Yeah, 1,000 feet. Oh, yeah. And a quarter mile, too, he said. 280 miles an hour in a quarter mile. Yeah, these things. He said, I only... Oh, we stole this.

That's a funny car. You stole his funny car? No, he left him here as a nice little gesture for coming by and talking. Oh, so Smoke said, hey, you know what, Connor? You deserve this. I've seen you racing out there. You look like a racer. A trophy. I was like, all right, Smoke. Maybe you can show me the rest of it. Did he leave the dragster, hey, you know what, Connor? You deserve this. I've seen you racing out there. You look like a racer. You're a trophy.

I was like, all right, Smoke. Maybe you can show me the rest of it. Did he leave the dragster, too, or no? He did. He did. Okay. I think the dragster might have got dropped. I'm not sure if it's still in one piece.

What? Why are we like the way we are? I don't know. Why do we have to just spit all over everything we're gifted? I don't think we're gifted, by the way. It feels like we stole that. I think he left his toys here. Yeah, they're probably going to want them back.

And what? You just broke it right now. Shattered it into a bunch of pieces. No, no, no. It was not me who picked them up, but I did say, hey, I want that thing. Alright, let's move back to football. Big shout out to Smoke and the NHRA folks. That was a blast yesterday. And shout out to Newcastle Motorsports Park. Yes. If you get a chance to get out there, I would recommend it. They got like

25 of those carts that we got. They're off. Sounds like a mile long track. Yeah, and they're getting, they say they're getting 30 new carts in like 30 days, I think, that go faster. He danced. So they're like, we, he said he had, he hosted some global race that had like 36 countries represented like two weeks ago, two weekends ago. Holy shit.

A lot of people. Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on, a lot of racing. Get out there and enjoy yourselves. Let's get back to football a little bit. Let's talk about what's going on in green bay ty okay because everybody would assume that this particular program okay because the aaron rogers tuesdays that we have had the last three years two of them having nfo mvp uh trophies at the end of them and obviously a lot of success on a football team and the packers have only had two quarterbacks starting for them at training camp since 19

like 92 maybe i've been watching n Network, and they say it every single time Jordan Love comes on the screen. And he was on that bike with the kid, and it was awesome. And he was on a little tiny one. And I saw the pedal actually get him right in the calf. Oh, no. And I'm like, oh, boy, we need that not to happen. One of those to the shin.

I just thought back to a kid actually spinning that thing. I couldn't even imagine. It's good what they do over there. But let's keep them safe. Please. And everybody would assume that because of how it all ended and, you know, and I asked a pretty loud question about like Goofy, like everybody's just crowning him. Like, all right, well,

we're going to find out. You want to crown him? Crown him. And I did say some things that were out of pocket and Packers fans let me know and I've, you know, human enough to admit that that was the case. But as we're watching what's taking place with Jordan Love from his interviews, from the teammates, what they're saying about him, now from the clips from practice,

we got these deep balls from Jordan Love just kind of popping up every single day. You're talking about poise, control, swag, moxie, and fucking guys. That's Christian Watson. That's the first play of the season last year, if you do recall. Aaron Rodgers to Christian Watson. Seemingly same exact play, seemingly same exact ball, in a much different outcome. Is this cause for you to think that the Packers is still the kings of the north

in all of the downfall that was being wished upon the Packers with the ending of the Aaron Rodgers era after the Brett Favre era football. But it feels like this team is going to be A-OK. Yes. Is that ridiculous to think? And is that how everybody in Green Bay is thinking, Ty? I think so. It's definitely not ridiculous to think.

I kind of started – I came back around on, like, hey, they're going to win the division before any of these clips really came out. But I think most people are thinking that. The defense is supposed to be good. It was supposed to be the best part of the team last year, and they underperformed for the first 13 weeks of the season. And they were also a big part of why they kind of made that playoff push late. But I think the thing with Jordan Love is he always had arm talent

and he was athletic. It was the accuracy that it was like. We saw all those videos in his first couple years where he's missing nets and he just didn't have it all put together yet. But you look at this stuff, I mean, it does seem like he's getting more accurate. He's more comfortable. And then the big thing is the leadership portion and them kind of telling him going into this year after it was done

that Rodgers was going to the Jets. It's like, hey, this is your team now. No more kind of waiting in the wings, sitting behind everything and just kind of learning the process and what it takes to be a successful quarterback in the wings. You have to go do that now. And I think he's kind of accepted that challenge with open arms. And then you also see guys like Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson.

It was huge that they were kind of forced to be the one and two guys last year. So they already have that kind of year of seasoning. And they've been working all offseason. Again, we see these clips come out from training camp, and it's kind of whatever. There's a lot of, you know. Ah, we just talked about this yesterday. Yeah, exactly.

We can't be overreacting. But to everything you're saying, to everything you're saying, I watched him do an interview with Stacey Dales, I think out at Green Bay Packers practice. And Stacey Dales said, everybody's asking me, as if I'm a coach or offense coordinator, what this offense is going to look like with Jordan Love as opposed to Aaron Rodgers.

And she said, so what is it going to look like now that you're the man or whatever? And he said, yeah, I am the man. He just casually said that. And I was like, fucking love that. I love everything he just said. Then he said, the plays aren't changing. He was like fucking love that like i love everything he just said then he said the plays aren't changing he was like the plays right are gonna be it doesn't sound like there's any real like massive shift in strategy or overall thoughts

it's like yeah plays are the same how i view things might be different than aaron he said he was very good with aaron it was every time I've heard him speak I'm like seems like a fucking guy yeah what a time for the Green Bay Packers fan well and then on top of it like we haven't seen anything like Aaron Jones is one of the best running backs in the NFL so we haven't seen anything from their running game like they're obviously they're not going to go out there and have Jordan Love throw it 35 times a game like at least not early because it is you know there are going to be growing pains everyone said that it's going to take him a little bit of time to get into it but i really do like not just being a homer not being a packers fan you know like when when they

were saying oh this is the worst team in the division like they're going to be one of the worst teams in the nfl it's like well typically you know like the the packers are a good franchise like i don't think they're going to just outright suck they haven't in a long time but i really do feel confident like yeah they're going to be in suck. They haven't in a long time. But I really do feel confident. Yeah, they're going to be in it. There's a very good chance they win the division and make the playoffs. Not a rookie quarterback, but rookie quarterback. What does that mean, Pac?

I think not a rookie quarterback. He's been behind one of the goats for the longest. So he's had time to mature and read defense and learn how to break down film, call to protection. He's behind Rodgersgers it don't get no better than that so i think he have a chance to be good he said that actually watching aaron and his style of leadership like in that stacy dale's conversation it was only like two and a half minutes i think but they were pop they threw it on like two three times i just had it sitting

on the tv while me mckenzie and and the wife are hanging out in the room. You know what I mean? So every time it came on, I watched it. And I'm like, is he nervous? He's like, no, doesn't seem like he's nervous at all. Does he seem like he's overcompensating for anything? Does he feel like, no. Does he feel like he's playing a character?

No. Does it feel like he understands how fucked up his NFL life is? No. I don't think he even cares. You know, it's like no excuses pretty much. It's like straight fair. I learned this. I learned this.

When you're in college, you think you have things, and you come here and you see, like, the way Aaron does things. It's like, oh, I should probably add that to the way I go about doing things. It's like seemingly handling it all perfectly. Yeah. Will it equate wins on the football field? I think it helps. Absolutely.

And the team last year felt like it was kind of plagued with injuries, not only on the O-line but also on D-line. Was it Rashawn Gary? He was hurt. He was their best pass rusher early. And you give Stokes another year, obviously their secondary is pretty damn good with Jair. And then when we're talking about Watson and Dobbs, it doesn't hurt that they're going up against these guys

who are pretty damn good corners. So it does feel like he's set up for the best success, at least from the young quarterbacks that are in their early years now. Yeah, I hope that he has success. Me too. He's set up for it, for sure. Like Connor said, the O-line is really good. The running game should be really good.

The defensive line is good. The secondary's got Jair. It's good. Now, the weapons are young, but they seem like they're very good and very talented. All the wide receivers are second year. The tight ends are all first years. So, I mean, you could kind of lean on that a little bit,

but they're all talented. So, it's pretty much he's set up. You're going to know real quickly if Jordan Love's going to be good or not, I think. I love Love. Just celebrating the anniversary. But I do really love this Jordan Love guy. And I don't want him to be a guy.

Because if he doesn't do good this year, you know what I mean? Like, if he doesn't do, geez, Luis, he's joining us here in a bit. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't think I touched that. Yeah. Oh, Bruce did. Shout out, geez, Luis, he's joining us here in a bit. I don't know. I don't think I touched that. Yeah. Oh, Bruce did. Shout out, Bruce. Hey, Bruce.

Thank you, Bruce. Bruce wants to talk about that. Hey, thank you, Bruce. Thank you out there. That was Lambeau. That's Green Bay. Yeah, exactly. That's who we're talking about.

But let's say he doesn't have success this year. He's probably not going to be the Packers quarterback. Yeah, he will. That's kind of how they set it up. They stuck with him. Well, they just gave him that two-year deal. He's going to be the Packers quarterback. Yeah, he will. That's kind of how they set it up. They stuck with him. Well, they just gave him that two-year deal. He's going to be there for another year. He would have to.

Unless it is catastrophically bad this year. Like Trey Lance's situation. Right, exactly. Or Zach Wilson. We'll have Shefty with us here in 11 minutes or whatever. He's plugged over there in San Fran. I cannot wait to ask about what they're going to do with Trey Lance. It's crazy.

I cannot wait to ask about what they're going to do with Trey Lance. It's crazy. Now, there's still massive support behind Trey Lance from a lot of Niners people, as there should be, right? Traded a lot to go get there. Became the story of the offseason to go get that. Conflict, allegedly, over who that pick was became a story. That pick was massive. The move, huge.

The day of being switched from one quarterback to Trey Lance was one of the biggest needle movers in the history of sports complex. Oh, yeah. And we were right in the middle of all of it. Like, it was absolutely absurd. But he gets in there, couple games. Chicago, you can't judge. No.

It was a monsoon. Absolutely, you cannot judge. That's not a football game. That was not a football game. Who knows? But then you see him throw a couple. It was a monsoon. Absolutely, you cannot judge. That's not a football game. That was not a football game. Who knows? But then you see him throw a couple balls. They're not perfect.

It's like, well, he's a rookie quarterback. This could happen. And then all of a sudden, Brock Marty comes in there. Yeah. So good. So good, so quick. And it's like they're going to be put in a situation where it's like, okay, we have a team to win now,

but we drafted a quarterback to kind of like for the future. So it's kind of like one of these situations. And they, to their credit, which not a lot of teams have done, we don't care if he was Mr. Irrelevant or number three. We're playing whoever's the best guy. That is not normal. That is not normal. Normally, that third overall pick, if Mr. Irrelevant was such a problem,

oh, good trade value, actually. Get him out. Let's not even have the conversation. I'm not saying that has happened every single time in the history of football, but that happens a lot in the NFL because there's a lot of egos with draft picks. There's a lot of pride. There's a lot of legacies depending upon who your top picks were whenever you're talking about a GM or scouting department or front office

and everything like that. So there's a lot of reasons that go behind everything. So them just being like, no, Brock Purdy's the guy. He's Mr. Irrelevant. Don't care. He's better than this guy. I'm going to play him. Huge.

But the videos that are coming out of Trey Lance are like real bad. They're not good. And they're just drills. And it's just bullshit. Boy, oh boy. But that ain't good for them if they're looking to trade him or if they're looking to play him. There's not a single good thing coming out of all these videos.

And it's like there's no way this is what Trey Lance is, but maybe it is. And will we ever see if he's going to be a good football player? The guy's only played, like, what, 13 games? How many games? Since 2019, he's played, like, four football games. It's bananas. That's a crazy situation taking place on a Super Bowl contending team. And then you add in Bosa, the defensive player of the year, reigning.

He's holding out still. It's like San Fran's got a lot of shit popping over there, but we all just assume they're going to be great because they're the fucking San Francisco 49ers. Shanahan. But first of all, I think the problem with the young guy is the smartness because he picked it up pretty quick. He picked it up pretty quick. And I ain't saying he can't throw the ball

because he can throw the ball. But for some reason, it don't seem like he can play fast in that offense. You got to be pretty smart. You don't have to make every throw in Shanahan's offense, but you got to be able to be up-paced and be able to pick up the offense. I don't think he's up

here to take that spot from Purdy. Well, Purdy. Or even Darnold. Day one, I believe. And when Darnold gets there, it's offseason. People are like, oh, thank God, Darnold. Jesus. Darnold had to be so pumped.

I know Aaron leaves Green Bay, goes to New York. They're having parades for him. Green Bay is like, get out of town. Normally, that's the opposite. Normally, you go from big city to little town. Little town's having a parade. Big city's saying, get out of town. Normally, that's the opposite. Normally, you go from big city to little town. Little town's having a parade. Big city's saying, get out of here. Complete opposite was happening for Aaron.

Couldn't even imagine how that felt personally. Oh, man, I love going to Wicked, doing this, doing that. I'm getting the biggest pops every single night. Sam Darnold's been run out a couple different times. He goes to San Fran, they're like, oh, thank God. Sam Darnold's like, man, this is awesome. I love being here. And he's a talent.

And in that particular offense, he can hit a couple slants on time. He can wiggle. He can make decisions. It's like, where does Trey Lance fall in there? That is such an interesting combo because of how big that move was to go get him. Yeah, it feels like there's no chance that we're going to see Trey Lance in the Niners offense. Because unless Purdy and Darnold get hurt,

which is what happened last year with Jimmy G and Trey Lance, then we saw Purdy, like they could be plagued by two quarterback injuries, but it's so hard to imagine with a full year of like McCaffrey and Elijah Mitchell, like anything to go that wrong like it did last year. Because they have five starting quarterbacks play. It's ridiculous, and it doesn't feel like Trey Lance. And I know we shouldn't be judging practice videos and stuff like that, but that one throw that is out there where he sailed it, I don't know,

25 feet over his head. This one here where he was doing this drill. It shouldn't happen to a college quarterback. Well, they're playing with Tanya Balls. The Duke is a big ball. It is a big ball. Yeah, and I think they were dousing it, too, for a water game. Yeah, I hope so.

There's a lot of those things. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is senior NFL insider at ESPN, a man who has all the scoops. Scoops, scoops, scoops, scoops. Scoops, scoops, scoops. Scoops, scoops, scoops. Also, a host of a podcast named after himself, Adam Schefter. How are you, buddy?

Hello there, Pat and the boys. What's going on today? Schefter, so pumped that you're here. Thank you for joining us. Saw you at the Michigan Alumni Golfing Tournament, I do believe, yesterday on Taylor LeJuan's Instagram. I don't know how the golf game went, but I hope you had a blast. Let's dive into a little football that's taking place, Schefter. When you have those couple weeks off there during the summer, that's like you unplug. And then now you just kind of plug back in to your thing for the next five months.

Is that what your life is looking like as soon as training camp starts? Or how does the life change from summer to regular season for you? You know, the thing is, is that we've got five dogs. So we never really travel. So we, I never unplug. Now it slows down. Of course, the NFL world comes to a real slow halt in late June and early July. I wish I could go away.

I wish I could shut down. But inevitably, I just come into my office and I'm reading things and I'm looking over things and I'm taking notes. So it never really stops. I wish it did. I wish, I wish I did shut it down. I wish I would go away,

but my boss has encouraged me to do that. I just, it's not what I do, Pat, not the life I live. Well, we respect and appreciate. And it's why you are where you are with the connects that you have.

Let's start talking about the work that you've done. The last time you came on, you told us about the Niners and kind of the power structure. And we didn't know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Every time we talk to you, we literally learn something brand new about everything we appreciate when you come on let's stick with the Niners right here and if you want to correct that obviously go ahead I saw you just react there it was awesome the way we all reacted to that as well I'm sure that was a little bit of a scene in your world but let's talk about it uh Trey Lance okay every video that's coming out of training camp, seemingly not good, like Trey Lance. Now we're only a few days into this. Then Brock Purdy's already back.

I don't think anybody fully expected that he was going to be back. First day training camp, active and going, whatever the diagnosis kind of took place. And then when the delay of the surgery took place, because it was still swollen, I thought there was a conversation he wasn't going to start it. What are they going to do with Trey Lance? What is the situation? Is Brock Purdy 100%?

He's the starter and this is his team. Is that kind of the way it's all being viewed over there, Shefty? You know, a couple of things here. First and foremost, I remember reading some reports out of there because at this time of the year, it's interesting to pay attention to these things, what the people around the team are saying, what they're observing

during camp, because I'm not going to be at 32 camps. I'm not going to be at very many camps. I just want to see what's going on as I'm having my conversations. And I saw some people the first couple of days saying, you know, boy, Brock Purdy didn't look particularly sharp and didn't look great. And I called up to a couple of people in the 49ers and they're like, what are they talking about? No, he looked good. They don't know what they're watching. I'm like, okay. Well, I'm just telling you that's the report out there. So I can tell you they're happy

with the way that Brock Purdy is coming along number one. Okay, we're back to the Brock Purdy show. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Excited. I think he's tracking right where he needs to be. They're having him throw every third day. And as we said the last time we were on, if he's healthy, he's going to be the guy.

It was never a question, right? And right now, all indications are that he's doing very well. And he's coming along the way they want. So that's great. Trey Lance, look, it's a long summer. And I'm not going to overreact to a couple of throws that are on social media, like where he's a little bit off. I can tell you that they felt like he had as good an offseason as he had, and he's more prepared than he's ever been. So let's see what happens over the course of a summer when they're in – like, we're not even in full pad practices yet.

Yeah, it was this one right here. This one was the one. But listen, we live in a very reactionary world, Pat. So people want to come up and make judgments right away. And so Trey Lance is trending the right way. Let's see what happens with him this summer. But even if he's trending the right way, I still think Brock Purdy's the starter. I still think that they really are impressed with Sam Donald. And as I said to you the last time, I thought Sam Donald was in a great spot to be the number two quarterback. So where does that

leave Trey Lance? It leaves him for an organization that has gone through quarterbacks the way that you and I go through underwear, right? Like they just need a lot of them. And so they want to have them ready. And now, okay. So maybe before the trade deadline, if he's coming along, could somebody inquire about him? That's always possible, right? Quarterbacks are currency. They want to bring them along. They were happy. They thought he made a lot of progress during the off season. They thought it was the best off season he's had. They thought he was as far along as he's been. So let's see how it plays out for the rest of the summer before we're writing

off Trey Lance the way it seems some of these videos on social media have in recent days. Yeah, and with that being said, reality is what reality is. He is what it is. Let's get the Niners to post some videos of Trey Lance throwing some balls. For the good of the team, too, right? If they're going to try to drum up some

interest around trade deadline, let's start flocking. Look at Trey Lance. He hit both his balls in an actual bucket here. You know, like that type of stuff. Hey, you know what? If Trey Lance flops in the three preseason games, then we'll talk about this in a different way, and we'll assess it a different way. But let's go out and see what

he does in the preseason before we're making any real judgments on the guy. Okay, last question from San Francisco before AJ's got one and the boys do. We very much appreciate your time and information. Bosa, hey, this is a big fucking deal. Not getting talked about a lot because I think everybody just assumes

that the Niners are going to get a deal done with Bosa. You're going to pay the defensive player of the year, a guy who's an actual jungle cat on the field, a man who sets the tone for your team. In that game where Brock Purdy gets hurt, and then, who was the backup there? Josh Johnson.

Everybody gets hurt. People forget in the first quarter, Bosa standing on the sideline during a punt play, and a gunner in a corner gets whipped around and he gets sliced in like a tendon on his shin by somebody's cleat. Just the most freak accident stuff happening to the

Niners all in that first quarter. So he wasn't as explosive, I don't think, as he has been all season, but like he wins games for them. He is their guy. He's a staple, a pillar of them. He's not at practice currently. Wild, we're in a holdout era again, as opposed to a hold-in era. When's that going to get finished? Nobody's worried about this?

How's this whole thing working? Yeah, but before we get to that, I'm going to bring it right to it, but I want to go back to the year where the 49ers were able to get him in the draft at number two, and that was the year that the Cardinals went Kyler Murray at one. I remember talking to the 49ers during the season season and they're like, yeah, this season is not going the way we want. We stink. It's not working out. I just wish we sucked more so that we could get Nick Bosa at number one. And lo and behold, Kyler Murray goes one. They get the player that they would have taken number one a hundred times out of a hundred at number two. And they take Nick Bosa. They love Nick Bosa. They're going to sign Nick Bosa. My guess is Nick Bosa will be the highest paid

defensive player in NFL history. But the agent for Nick Bosa has a very busy summer because he's representing Nick Bosa and he's representing Joe Burrow. Same guy. So, my guess is just on the basis of common sense, right? More! That you want to get the Nick Volk style done. Nah! Nah! That's awesome

to think about. More! More! I need more! Did you see what Herbert just has has Herbert played in the Super Bowl? Boom! The guy's a jungle cat! Boom! Who are you? Comps! There is no comps! Boom! This is a whole, I couldn't even, so is that really what the holdup is,

or when do you expect it to potentially get done? When do you think the left hand on the phone is going to get done? And then when's that other one going to get done? When are you expecting both of those? Well, my guess would be Bosa gets done first because he's got the $50,000 a day fine. But here's the deal. Like, let's say it takes him, I'm making this up, 20 days.

20 days. That would be a million dollars in fines, right? So what is Nick Bosa's signing bonus going to be? It's going to be enormous. It's going to be an added million bucks. Certainly, whatever it was going to be? It's going to be enormous. It's going to be an added million bucks. Certainly, whatever it was going to be, added in there. Is that what you're thinking, though? Like, the Niners aren't worried about him

getting a training camp rep or being in the building. They know he'll be ready. He gets along with everybody. There's no rush right now to get that deal done in anybody's eyes. Look, I think the Niners want to get it done. I think Nick Bosa wants to get it it done but I think both sides are practical and logical enough to know it's gonna get done he's gonna be there and if Nick Bosa misses a week or two weeks or three

weeks of camp do you think that that's gonna slow him down in the regular season opener I do not so he's gonna be just fine they'll figure out a way my guess my guess is that it'll be a deal that makes him the highest paid player highest paid defensive player in nfl history he'll beat aaron donald and the two sides will be connected here for a long time and it won't be an issue um we'll see a guy who in a four-point stance, somehow sprawls six yards. From tip to fucking tip. Ridiculous. So large. Until you see him in real life, I don't think you fully

comprehend. On TV, because of how properly proportioned he is, he doesn't look like he's an enormous freak show. He is. And he knows it. And I hope he gets paid for it. And he's going to get paid for it. And that guy lives, eats, and breathes

football. And is about to be rewarded for it. Hell yeah. Congrats to the Boses as a whole. Go ahead, AJ. Everybody, yeah. Dad, all the brothers, everyone, they seem to be doing pretty well, Chef. But if you stand out in Miami, speaking of South Florida, I know the Boses are from there. Jalen Ramsey and his injury, I know he said he'll

beat, he claims, hey, I'll beat the timetable there. Jalen Ramsey and his injury, I know he said he'll beat. He claims, hey, I'll beat the timetable by a month, whatever that timetable may be. When can we realistically think about seeing him on the field? And also, like Tua, he's talking about everything, all the offseason, judo and training. Have we got any reports on how he looks so far? The offenses look good.

What are they doing there? Well, okay, AJ, in regards to Jalen Ramsey, literally when he went down, I got a call that day right after the MRI, and the person said to me, it's going to be a few months. So a few months would be August, September, October. And then I think we start talking about Jalen Ramsey in November, right? And now the question becomes is, I think, where are the Dolphins at that time, right? Like, it's the same thing with Kyler Murray to a certain extent. We don't know when Kyler is going to be ready. The Cardinals' schedule is brutal. Like, what if they start 1-5, 0-6? Like, why is Kyler Murray coming back for that at that point in time if it goes that way? Jayler Ramsey, I think that Dolphins team has a chance to have a really good season. Tua has to be healthy.

Tua's look great. I mean, he's humming along. He's in the second season. And Mike McDaniel's offense, he feels even more comfortable. They're more comfortable with him. They know what to expect of each other. And so the issue with him is not the ability there. It's the durability and whether he can stay on the field.

They're happy with him. Now, if they're winning and having a great season, I think that's going to motivate Jalen even more. He's not going to come back before he has to. He's not going to take any unnecessary risks, but I think we start to be on the clock with him in November.

Go ahead, AJ. Chef, you were mentioning different coaches and teams. I'm not talking hot seat situation, but what coaches do you think are feeling pressure? Okay, we need to win and we need to win right now. AJ wants people fired. All right. I'm not talking – I'm saying everybody needs to win.

This is day in and day out. AJ. You're taking his gimmick. There's nothing like putting a coach on the hot seat on August 2nd. I was not doing that. We love that. A little bit. There you were.

A little bit. Big my. Right? Here's the little bit. There you were. A little bit. Big my. Right? Here's the deal. It's real hot. Right? In this league, short of Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, short of a legend,

anybody who doesn't win, there's a risk in that, right, that comes along with not winning. Their name is going to come up inevitably eventually somehow some way when we get towards the end of the year and we start to talk about all the coaches in the hot seat when you don't win in this league that's going to happen so just look at anybody who hasn't won with any regularity if their team's season's going south that name is going to come up again in november december we're talking about coaches in the hot seat but sure no problem we could fire them up right now you fire them

whoa chef d don't be firing anybody don't buy into the toxicity of over there in ohio that we just that's dan or i cannot believe that's two times dan orlovsky's been on the show today that's right hawkwise was on here earlier and then with a is dan calling for people's jobs i was just simply asking a question to an expert Dan's done that once or twice on TV It's gotten a lot Who did he turn the heat up on? I think

I think this is a pretty big M.O. I think it is one of those things He calls it malpractice Whenever things are happening in certain places That's his kind of It is offensive football malpractice If you're not in certain places like that's his kind of it is offensive football malpractice if you're not doing boom boom and this team's doing this and i think all he thinks he's doing is just giving like good film breakdown good analysis but then obviously

he gets spun in oh dan's trying to run that guy out of the fucking league that guy's an idiot dan wants that guy's job i mean it's it's a thing but it is real going into a season there's some places where people are gonna to have to win, and they're going to have to kind of, if not, get moved on from, even in their first year. How do you feel about Nathaniel Hackett coming out and saying, like, hey, every coach lives in this glass house, okay? We all got rooms.

He said, I've been here. My father's been here. Father's father's been here. Father's father's father's been here. And there's a code in here. You know, you don't talk shit on basically other coaches. He actually said that. Sean Payton coming out and talking shit on another coach.

He actually said that. Aaron Rodgers coming back and defending. He actually said that. Feels like we're in a time where people are being much more true to who they actually are and what their actual feelings are. Do you love that or hate that? And what do you think this means for week five? Well, it turns up the volume on week five, like week five is going to be unbelievable. Can't wait to see what that's like. We know how intense it's going to be. I mean, I would not have guessed

that in early August, Broncos jets would shape up as the early game game of the year. But right now, we thought we were getting a big Monday night matchup on ESPN with the Eagles and Chiefs. We should have been lobbying the NFL for the Broncos and Jets. Who knew that, right? Now, Sean Payton, if he could, he'd take back his comments, I think. I think that he recognizes that he would like to have that back. He'd probably want to step too far by naming the guy by name. I think he was trying to galvanize his team. He tried to do the right thing and went about it a little bit in the wrong way.

And so Nathaniel Hackett is saying, you know, they're all in this together. He's right. I mean, there are a lot of people in the NFL community that didn't like it. Sean Payton, all he cares about is making sure that that team is going to turn around, that the stential last year is gone, and he just happened to throw Nathaniel

Hackett under the bus in the process of trying to galvanize his team, which is why I think if he could take it back, he probably would. He's trying to move on, right? Like, they asked him about Nathaniel Hackett's comments or Aaron Rodgers' comments, and he said, we're past that. We're past that, right? Like, he's? Like he does what he's done. He said what he had to say. You know, a lot of people lit him up over it and he wants to move forward. Right. But that matchup in week five, let's go.

It's going to be awesome to watch. It's going to be great to see. It'll be fun. I like that Sean Payton said he's passed it. And then two days, three days afterwards, Hackett's asked about it. And he's like, yeah, I'm past it too, but real quick. Hold on. Sean Payton may be past it, but the New York Jets are not past it

and won't be past it until after week five is my guess. Well, how about Hard Knocks episode two? It's going to get reignited again with Hard Knocks, right? I mean, it's just going to be a full thing. And the Jets are looking for everything right now. You know what I mean? They're a very new team, seemingly, with a lot of pieces that have been around for a while.

Hackett, though, brand new. Aaron, brand new. And they're the ones coming out like, yeah, fuck you, you know? Salah's like, well, yeah, this guy needs to stop thinking. Like, I like the energy coming out of both teams. Everybody's trying. 2016, last time Broncos in playoffs?

Yeah, when they won the Super Bowl in the 2015 season. And then when was the last time the Jets were relevant? That was the year before, 2014, I believe. 2010, I think, was the last time the Jets won a playoff game or in the playoffs. Oh, yeah. That was Sanchez, Rex Ryan, right? Sanchez, yep. Sanchez.

He lost the NFC Championship. To who? Oh, can't wait. The whole thing, though, these two teams that the Broncos are in the Chiefs' world. Oh, yeah. And the Jets are in the Bills' world. Boy, they've become the conversation. Good for both coaches doing it.

I also like the thought of Sean Payton addressing his team after burying Hackett, being like, I have to tell the truth out there. Now, I'm getting buried for it. Everybody's attacking me for it. But we all know the truth. It was here. We don't say anything about it. We move on.

And the boys are like, fuck yeah, this guy is our guy. I love the move by everybody. Pac has a question for you, Shefty. Shefty, this is a two-part question, Shefty. Dalvin Cook haven't got signed yet. Will he have to meet the commissioner for the incident that he had? Is that holding up his sign-up? And my other

question is alvin how many games are uh you hearing that alvin is going to get for his uh situation at the pro bowl with the fight i first of all i like how i like how the disciplinary questions are coming from pac-man i love that hell yeah hell yeah he knows he actually mentioned something earlier he was like what is holding up the Dalvin signing? And it was like, I don't know. I thought it was just Dalvin. No, no, no, no. The Dalvin signing is, I think, he's not in a rush right now, right? Like, first of all, if he doesn't play this year, he gets $2 million, period.

So he wants to make sure the money's right. And every day, the running back situation seems to evolve, right? What's going to happen in Indianapolis? Are the Seattle backs injured? Is there another team that's going to lose a running back? And so the Jets have been interested. The Miami Dolphins have been interested. They're obviously, right now, not interested enough to make an offer that has forced him to go sign. So he's still waiting for a little bit more. And you can wait until you see if there's another team that loses a running back. Like there are a lot of teams. What if they lose a running back?

That happens all the time in camp. So he's not in any rush when he's got money coming. He's got two situations that he likes. But until he feels like it's right, he's not going to move on that. And right now, to me, the two teams in the Dalvin Cook market are the Jets and the Dolphins. Yeah, and he's from South Florida, and his South Florida trainer is trying to sire the Jets fans on him

with deleted tweets, you know. It feels like all of Miami is like, all right, let's make sure our guy – he went to Florida State once already. We already let him get out of South Florida. Let's go ahead and make sure we get him back down here to Miami. But he's at practice with the Jets. He's doing all that. What is the...

Is that normal? I guess that's just normal. They brought him in for a visit and obviously it was very well calculated. He could do it during a practice where all the fans are there. How could Dalvin Cook show up on a day where all the fans are there, where they're chanting his name, where all the players are going to come up could dalvin cook show up on a day where all the fans are there where they're chanting his name where all the players are going to come how can you show up on a beautiful new york new jersey weather day and not love what you see right this isn't new york new jersey in december when it's 11 degrees and the jets are coming off a loss and

the fans want to go hang somebody outside the building on the flagpole. It's a different deal. In the summer, everybody's happy. So, of course, that visit couldn't be any better. There was no way. If he didn't love that visit, if he didn't love that visit, then something would have been really wrong.

But in the end, money talks. So what do you want to do? So if the Jets made a good enough offer at that time, in his mind, then he would have signed. That didn't happen. So he is taking his time. He's evaluating the scenarios. And when he feels like he is compensated in a fair way,

then he'll move at that point. I mean, when you see that these other running backs, there hasn't been a change in the market. Another team hasn't jumped in. You just have to see. And in regards to Pac-Man's other question on Kamara, he's meeting with Roger Goodell today. They're going over it. My guess is there's a suspension involved there.

My guess is it's a multi-game suspension. I think people around it probably are bracing for that. I don't know whether it be two games or three games or four games or more. I don't know. But it was video. It was right before the Pro Bowl. He was basically taken out of the Pro Bowl. Lee doesn't like that kind of thing.

He'd been hanging out there. He did settle the case. I'm going to guess he gets something, but we'll see how much. Pac, if you were the commissioner, what would you give him? Eight games. Eight? Eight games? Whoa.

Deshaun got it. I got suspended a whole year for a fight. Wow. Eight games. He pleaded guilty. Shit, I ain't even plead guilty. Fucking beat mine. You meet him with Roger.

Is he trying to get a reloading? What do you think the meeting is? Like, Roger really going to get anything? It's the set of statement. The shield is bigger than us as players, and you don't realize it until you out and looking back in. But he got to protect the shield.

Yeah, always. Alvin's very thankful. Alvin's very thankful that Pac-Man's not the commissioner. Yeah, I think so too. But hey, listen, maybe it needs to be thought about. Last question here because we know you got to go from Tone. Go ahead, Tone. Yes, Jeff. Speaking of running backs

and the running back market, there's a situation here in Indianapolis with Jonathan Taylor and Jim Irsay. What's your current read on that situation? And then with the backup, Zach Moss breaking his arm, is there any rumblings of Zeke or Kareem Hunt or any of these other free agent running backs

that potentially will come in to say you don't have any running backs right now, pretty much? Well, that's the kind of thing that you just wait to see. Like, when all of a sudden Indianapolis, you know, all of a sudden decide, hey, let's see what Dalvin Cook wants. Now, here's my favorite fact of the day. Jonathan Taylor is in year four of his contract,

and the Colts could franchise him after this year. You know who the last player the Indianapolis Colts franchise was? Oh, yeah, buddy. Some great businessman. At McAfee in 2013. That's unbelievable. They haven't used their tag in 10 years, and the last time they used it was on a multifaceted media icon punter.

That's amazing to me. Well, I'll let you know. That means there was one particular party that really wanted to do one thing and then an owner that wanted to do something very different, you know, and then we will push this conversation another year, says the man who is Willy Wonka of the NFL. That's exactly why that happened. But this situation is very public, Shafty.

This is very public. Too public. Too public. And that's the problem. That's the that is the public, Shafty. This is very public. Too public. Too public. And that's the problem. That is the problem right now, right? We've got Jim Mercy saying things about the CBA that he shouldn't say. We've got the agent commenting about the owner when he shouldn't. We've got people getting sensitive about their feelings.

I think both sides have to step back, keep quiet, and figure out a solution here in another week or two, right? Look, either pay the guy or trade the guy. It doesn't seem like he wants to play in the fourth year, figure out a deal that works for him. I've had a couple of executives say to me, and this is very true, as a player, you get to choose. If you want to do a deal early, when there's time left on your deal, when you can still be franchised, you don't get the same number because you're choosing security over a big payday. If you want to play it out to free agency, take on the risk and get to market, then you should be rewarded with whatever you can. And I'm all for players making whatever they can. But if you're doing a deal when you've got a year left and then you could be tagged the way that Pat McAfee was, that price being offered to him isn't going to be the same as it would be if he was on the open market.

Kirk Cousins played the system brilliantly. Got to market, got to market as a quarterback, and nobody's ever crushed it quite like he has in the business sense. So Jonathan Taylor's in a tough spot because he's got one year left. He could be tagged twice more. So you can make the argument that really the Colts have his rights for three more years. So it's a Lamar Jackson situation. It's a Lamar Jackson situation. If you want to do a deal now, the number isn't the same as it would be if you're on the open market. right now the jim hersey's all worked up jonathan taylor's all worked up everybody's got to take a step back calm down and figure out

what is the best solution for all going forward whether that's a sign a trade whatever it is brother we ain't trading them brother jim hersey brother we ain't they ain't controlling this no way oh he's upset boohoo he wants out of town we got him for three years that's that's what probably i would have that i have not talked to jim about this but that's probably jim's thoughts especially with that agent publicly publicly attacking the guy who currently views himself as the elder statesman in the room as the from the nfl owners what a scene hopefully it ends soon you think you think the standoff ends soon not soon but it's gonna

have to be resolved at some point or another you're the man ladies and gentlemen adam schefter thank you thank you guys appreciate having me hey chef d yes anything gonna break soon that we didn't ask you about there anything cooking you? You think? Anything we should maybe – You know, that's the beauty of this sport. Like things happen on a moment's notice. You never know when something's going to happen. What about Zeke? Should we be snooping around on anything right now that we didn't snoop around?

Yeah, Zeke is a good one. Zeke, I don't think Zeke's today. I don't think he is, but I could be surprised. Josh Jacobs? No. You could put that in your back pocket for a few weeks. Zach Martin? That seems quiet and dead right now.

There's really nothing going on. Joe Burrow, is that happening? You know, with Joe Burrow, Zach Taylor said he's out several weeks. And in my mind, it should take the same several weeks to figure out a contract.

So it marries up perfectly. It's great. Chris Jones? Both sides want to get it done but I haven't heard of any progress. Now, by the way, as soon as we hang up, I can get a text that something's happened but to my knowledge That happens to our show. I don't know that anything's close right now.

Subject to change. You're the man. We just kept you an extra two. Sorry about that, Adam right now. Subject to change. You're the man. We just kept you an extra two. Sorry about that, Adam Schefter. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Jeff D. Okay, so it seems like all the holdouts that are happening, and I thought holdouts were done because the $50,000 a day thing and the new CBA, but some of these guys can say,

yeah, we're adding an extra million. 20 days, I don't care. It doesn't matter. What are we doing? Yeah, every day that you guys, okay, are refusing to get a deal done with me, it's costing you at least $50,000 don't care. Doesn't matter. What are we doing? Yeah, every day that you guys are refusing to get a deal done with me, it's costing you at least $50,000 more a day.

You guys are saying you're finding me. Actually, this is a... You are finding yourself right now. That's an interesting little conversation piece. We didn't even get to dive into this because we chit-chatted with him so much. This guy got a chance to do a Lambeau League. Crushed it. First time he ran his face right into the wall.

Boom. Forgot to jump. Yeah. They call it the leap. He knew he's at Lambo. Right. He knew it involved the wall. Yep.

Just forgot the leap part of the whole thing. He ran his little ass and then just went, boom. Didn't even jump. No. And then pulled himself up there. Exactly. And then bang. The next time, though, he had a little bit of a skirt.

Mm-hmm. And then also an assist. Yeah. And got to celebrate. He does a lot of great fucking work, that guy. He literally does. There it is. Yup.

Oh. Oh, they got him. Yeah, they grabbed him up there. When did you take his shirt off in Gritty? Was that the same game? Is this the first one or second one? Second. That was the first one there.

Oh. That was the first. Yeah. Oh, it was? Yeah, because he goes head first right into the wall. Yeah, he actually, it was pretty remarkable. Because I went up to Shen Aquarium there in Chicago, and I saw the Dolphins do their thing. Look, he kind of, I mean, that's a, that is a, go back to the PNL. They got him.

They got him. He is literally, he's about to, I mean, he just, I mean, hey, Dolphin. Well, I mean, they say football – He's about to – He's about to 4-4. I mean, he just – I mean, he's golfing better. Uh-huh. Well, I mean, they say football is dangerous for the brain, and you don't even take into account media members. Boom. Yeah. So, RG3 was in his way.

Well, RG3 raced the Hawk, right? Yes, he did. Wasn't that what it was? A Hawk? Yeah, he won. He ran pretty fast, too. Yeah, freaking beat the Hawk. RG3, very active on the internet.

Very active. Yes. He has become, like, super – Yeah, in the talk. He's very fastG3, very active on the internet. Oh, yes. He has become super in the talk. He's very fast. He's a caption that guy, right? Yes. Yeah. Caption this.

What's going on? There it is. Turn that one on. Probably not going to have to do that. There it is. And we're back. We got mics right here. This son of a bitch.

And then we're back here. Yep. That's your song. Works perfect. With Nicky. Get out. You see? Boom.

Smell me. Yeah, it wasn't bad. Good reps. Good reps. I'm just a little bit too quick because what I'm thinking here is that this guy with mittens and this guy with his cap probably been boozing all goddamn day. Uh-huh. Then they see this little fella right here kind of start running

and do the dolphin header. They're like, we got to save this guy's life. You don't even know that heroes are walking amongst us, especially mittened ones and super hat wear. What are those things called? Oh. Like the Russian hat? Toboggan?

No, Toboggan's a sled. It's a sled and a hat too, though. This is a beanie here, right? You guys call this a beanie? I call it a snow hat. Or a tassel. Gumpy would call it a toque. What is a tassel?

Tassel cap is one that has a tassel on top of it. The guy behind the... That's a beanie. That's a beanie. This is a beanie here... Yeah, that's a beanie. Oh. Okay. That's a beanie. This is a beanie here. Yeah, that's a beanie.

No thing up top. This feels like a tassel. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I didn't see that. This feels like a beanie here. Yep. This guy... I assume bald.

This looks like an AQ Shipley head. Yeah, sure. That's Dayball, actually. He was there for the game. Scouting. Yep. How do I sneak in? Looks like was there for the game. Scouting. Yep. How do I sneak in? Looks like a big Conor McGregor a little bit.

Him? Yeah. That's a big son of a bitch. What's this guy's deal? I like this guy. Good stash here. Locked in. See, I don't know if the guy in the Packers Russian hat is Russian,

but that hat definitely makes you look Russian. This guy? No, that's our Jets. The one where your head is right now. This one? No, to your right. One more to the right. That's like a look Russian. This guy? No, that's RJ. The one where your head is right now. This one? To your right. One more to the right. That's like a Russian hat.

This one? No. Same as that one, though. I think it's the same as that one, too. This? I don't know where you were looking. The guy with the big G on the front of his hat. This one?

No. Right? The guy with the front and center. This one? Yeah. Oh, this one and this one. Different. That guy loves drinking vodka.

This guy? Both, probably. Well. What's loves drinking vodka. This guy? Both, probably. Well. What's he drinking? What's RG3 drinking? Nothing, right? Yeah, Evian. Loves water.

Holy water, yeah. You think RG3 has vodka? They soak cherries and stuff in vodka and everything up in Wisconsin. They have so many traditions like that. And then eat them and just blacked out drunk. A lot of boozing up there, right? A lot of boozing in Wisconsin? Oh, yeah.

They have a great time. Most cold places, right? That's kind of like the go-to activity. At some point, people are going to spend... Drink 60 beers. Ice fish, which means let me drink 65 beers overnight. Yeah, and I've gone ice fishing and I don't know what the big deal about it is. Caught a monster,

didn't you? Yeah, caught a swordfish out of Lake Minnetonka. They call it the Minnetonka miracle, so fucking look it up Let's go to the phones What's that? It took six hours It was the first and only fish I caught While everybody else caught 10 to 15 at a time

Could not recommend ice fishing less After the experience we had It's terrible We're even losing Do you ever catch any big fish out there? Yeah, I caught the biggest fish in the lake Other than you though, right? Weren catch are like eight inches long too, right? Do you ever catch any big fish out there? Yeah, I caught the biggest fish in the lake actually. Other than you though, right? Weren't they like seven inches long? Yeah, they were like this big.

Yeah, about this big. Everybody else, every other fish that was caught, not mine of course, I had a fucking swordfish, but they were all about this big here. Boozing heavy. Good heater in there. I feel like we had a pretty good ice fishing setup. For sure. Just the fish.

Good setup, yeah. Yeah, the commode situation wasn't exactly ideal. I almost died out there from an Arctic wolf hopping up over top of a port-a-john that had no roof that he was dumping repeatedly. Yeah, had juicy loosies

before we went. a lot of cheese and a lot of beef so i was inside that shed for two to three hours trying to pull one fucking fish out of that hole yep ty was inside of another shed outside of the shed right with no roof yeah like dumping for two to three hours with no light yeah don't think there's any toilet paper in there either so that was you know quite the challenge so you might be a little jaded yeah while you're butthole maybe a little bit. Let's just say when those cars came up to take us back to go home, I was

ecstatic. Speaking of Ty in good times, Ty is an Iowa Hawker. That's right. Hell yeah. So he is going to be pro Hawks over the Cyclones seven days out of seven days of the week. Bingo. Let's go to the phones real quick. We got Joseph in Iowa. Joseph, what's

going on, pal? Oh, Joe. Joe needs you. How you doing, boys? Keep it moving. That's right. Oh, okay. There we go. Sorry about that. It's a dark day here in Iowa, man.

We got back in May, we had a whole bunch of probing going on with student athletes doing some gambling. Probing? Just coming out, yes. Yeah. Coming out Tuesday, we've had a whole bunch from Iowa and Iowa State, specifically, I'll be quiet. Dickers. state, specifically Dickers.

He has been underage gambling since his, I believe it was first year in Iowa State, being behind Brock Purdy. I think we need you down here to do some TED Talks to teach these student athletes to stop underage gambling. All right, Joseph, thank you. Yeah, in Iowa, there's some real shit popping off. Yeah, there is. The probing that he's talking about is not like extraterrestrial probing that you were expecting or thinking of or immediately got excited about us potentially chatting about.

What they're talking about is they were snooping around. So allegedly, Iowa State and Iowa both had players on sports, on teams, that were gobbling through like DraftKings and other legit sites. Now, most notable out of this entire thing is a couple stories out of Iowa State. Quarterback had 300-some bets that cost like $2,000-some. Average price of like $7. So we're talking real small bets, but still pretty active. He had two different accounts that he would log into on DraftKings

through his mom's name and his dad's name, Jamie and Scott. So he had two different accounts that he would log into on DraftKings through his mom's name and his dad's name, Jamie and Scott. So he had two different accounts. That is what he is being criminally investigated about. They're basically saying it's like tampering with evidence or fraud. He's getting crushed for using the fake

names to have an account underage illegally in this entire thing. I'll go to the second one, Foxy. The second quote, all told, one former and three current Iowa State athletes were charged Tuesday with tampering with records in an attempt to disguise their identities while placing sports wagers. All are accused of manipulating transactions to create the appearance their bets were placed by other people.

So that's, this is via the des moines register thank you for their investigation and looking into this news story but that's the problem is that they were doing it under different people's names criminally but now ncaa in school in sport are going to crack down on them as well i didn't even think about these people having a fake account and then like if you delete the count account are you like trying to hide evidence then at that point like the amount of charges that they can they can start stacking up on you like those start coming you know what i mean whenever they break down that that was what they were charged for criminally it's like there's a bunch of other

shit they could probably add into there whatever the case with, with college teams, football more specifically, and this guy allegedly bet on one game that he was a backup quarterback in. It was against Oklahoma or something like that. Or Oklahoma State in 2021. There's a hundred-some dudes in these locker rooms. Okay? Like in the NFL, there's 53 at the end of the day. And then 13 or however many is on the practice squad,

you got to kind of manage. In college, you got 18-year-olds that are never going to fucking make the NFL. Who knows what they're going to make their money off of, and they might enjoy gambling. You know, they're competitive human beings. They get in there. How are they going to be able to get through

to all of these dudes on all these college teams how not to gamble on any sports, collegiate sports, or obviously their own team? I don't know how they accomplish that with some of the people that I've been teammates with and teams that we've all seen in college i don't know how you cleaned this up aj honestly i have no idea how they're going to fix this there's too many kids like you said there's over 100 players on the roster obviously they'll have to now this that's what's different about this one that's the criminal file criminal complaints whatever

against these guys that has nothing to do with what the what the NCAA will do and the schools and all of that. But is it possible his parents, are they going to interview them and say, hey, did you know he was doing this? And then are they charged with something as well? Yeah, I think they charge the parents too. Okay. But my question is, is this a criminal charge? What do you think?

Do you think this should be a criminal charge or should this be an NCAA problem? It'll be both. That's a tough criminal. Whenever they said tampering with evidence because he was under a fake name, I'm like, that seems like quite a... If you're going to do that, then you can do the deleting the app is trying to eliminate evidence. There's so many charges that you can kind of make there. I think this was kind of presented, and I don't know who was snooping or doing the probing or prosecuting attorney or anybody like this.

I feel like this was an attempt to say, hey, there's shit going on. I think this is them sounding a bell almost. Hey, this is happening. You've got to scare everybody else. You've got to scare the rest of them because you can't let this get out of control. Obviously, they have to prove, let them know,

hey, I know even if you guys want to do it, even if you're curious, we are going to find out if you're on one of these sites trying to gamble, like we will get you. Yeah, I don't know how to stop. It's just got to, it got to. Same way with us in the NFL locker room. When they have that meeting, they put them signs up around the stadium. Do not gamble.

It's the first meeting they're going to probably have every other week or every other month. They told me not to get drunk on a Tuesday during a bye week. Yeah, that's different though. I ended up doing that just numerous times in one time. Yeah, but you're not the only one on your team who was drinking on a day during a bye week. But these college kids, they're not the only ones either. It was an offensive lineman. I think it was a center at Iowa State.

It was a wrestler who had like 3,600 bets or something like that. $45,000. $45,000 worth of bets. I mean, that guy's a degenerate gambler. Yes. He's a wrestler. He's a degenerate gambler. They said he bet however many times on Iowa State stuff.

It's like, yeah, if the guy's a degenerate gambler and he has a friend who's doing something and he thinks he's going to do well, there's a good chance he's going to bet on that. I assume they're not the only three on the campus that Iowa's doing. Iowa, I think, had a backup kicker that was doing it. So it's like, I don't know how they slow this down. This is an interesting transition phase where sports gambling is getting very legal. And it's kind of becoming very comfortable in a lot of these states and easy to use and safer to use.

And all this different stuff, very more prevalent. And the commercials are everywhere. So guys are seeing it it and people who like to gamble there's cards players dice players in every single locker room it's like you could see how this takes place i don't know how they stop it i wish they would i hope they do we can't have games getting fucked because of this type of stuff but with the college level i don't know how you stop it i i honestly i hope they do they need to but i don't know how they're it. I honestly, I hope they do. They need to. But I don't know how they're going to control it. Especially now with NIL where it's like in the past maybe, you know,

like you don't have any like spare pocket change to really dick around with. But like now if you got that NIL money and it's like, hey, I can't get a job or whatever. And like, yeah, you can still go out and drink and spend money that way. But like sports gambling is just way more popular now than it was 10 years ago like everyone knows about it even if you're kind of like a fringe person and if you just have thousands of dollars of disposable income like how are you going to stop these kids from because it's not it's not just not like now granted the kids that'll go on to make the nfl will not do this for sure there's people on every team but i'm just saying

like there's going to be four to five guys whenever you've got 110 people who just can't do right. That's just like a real thing. Even one of those guys at Iowa State, like, he's on the Broncos now. And he was, you know, like, he's caught up in this. So it's like, yeah, for the most part, like, guys who are really good and know they're going to go play in the NFL, like, they're not going to do anything to jeopardize that.

But like you said, like, there's 70-some guys that are never going to play in the NFL. They're not going to do anything to jeopardize that. But like you said, there's 70-some guys that are never going to play in the NFL, and there's probably 30-some guys who are never even going to play college football. We'll be on the team, but we'll never actually play or be important. How are you going to stop those guys and police those guys from doing anything? I honestly don't. Everything Pac, everything you said there very passionately, very real, and we are very much on the team of that like whenever they gave calvin ridley a year-long suspension we thought it was

going to be longer because it's like the integrity of the game cannot be questioned right now like especially with gambling being the bucket of money that it's going to be for these leagues and for these sports going forward everybody wants this to succeed like players coaches sorry you can't you guys just can't participate everybody else can you guys can't and that sounds all good and dandy it does but there's there's gonna be one to two people imagine if it's just one person yes on every team that's a massive situation that's happening you know know? So what you think. Go ahead. There's so many kids involved, too.

You're right. There's bound to. Every team's going to have somebody. And there's so many kids, too. You know, in college, so many bitter guys, too, that aren't playing. They're the star. They get there. And I understand it. It'd be really tough to get there and you're not on the field three years in or something.

But also, I feel like with all of this, I feel like it makes these guys, these college players, maybe a second team or a special team or some of these shady characters might reach out to them more just to try to buy some info off of them. Hey, man, is your starting quarterback hurt? If you're on a big team and you're a player that is on the team but doesn't really play, some of these sketchy dudes might come in and try to give you $1,000.

You've got to tell me some info and keep popping in and give me some more info. I'll keep paying you even more money. So whenever I was at West Virginia, we had a meeting happen. We weren't really told about it. It was kind of weird. Like, hey, there's a meeting taking place in like three hours at this one place.

I think it was in the arena. Wait, did the coaches tell you or players? Coaches, coaches, coaches told us. Okay, we got to go to a meeting. It was Michael Francis, former – He was in the Gambino family. Yeah, I don't remember what he was, though. I don't know how high he got up.

Capo, maybe? He was way up there. He had the gas scheme and everything. He's noted Gambino. Turned, though, very public about it all. Still alive in that whole thing. And he gave this entire speech about what they used to do to guys and players and able to get people so

that they could work the books a little bit and everything like that. And back then it was so shady, you know. People were like scared like, nah, I don't want to fuck with that because like, you know, actual problems. Not like losing money. You have actual issues and it was kind of understood. Now that it's so regulated,

so safe, so efficient, so easy, and, like, you're right, those characters could come in and try to get information so they can bet themselves. But, like, guys just having no fear of, like, anything, seemingly, other than the school finding out and you get fired. Like, it's... Never think about the consequences.

I'm smart enough. I can figure it out. Those guys have their parents. Like, I got my buddy or whoever they're trying to find a way to game the system oh well like in this situation 18 years old 19 years old too there's gonna be some stuff i get it people are gonna game the system no matter what but wouldn't it just be easiest to have i mean even this decker kid uses parents name but wouldn't the ncaa just have to partner with every sports book and every single athlete that is with the NCAA, like those names specifically, if they tried to sign up.

Oh, yeah, they have that AI technology. Oh, yeah. But like their ant, though, like if you're on a team, your ant's allowed to be on DraftKings. Like they're going to look up every family member of every player. They'll pay attention to the ant's bets, though. They have the technology where if they just search the last name or whatever, they should be able to track the bet.

They know everyone's betting style and everything like that. But in this case. This ant normally not this type of player. I mean, he's betting $7 a game. Like, what the fuck are you betting for? Like, sure, he might have some discretionary spending now because he's a quarterback of a fucking Big 12 program, but he's betting $7 a game.

How is that worth it at all? What if it's 20 to 1? Yeah, we're at their big-time parlays. What if it was 7 for $120,000? 330 times. Don't you chain the kid, Tone. I'm not. Oh, sorry, Tone.

Sorry he's not swinging around $100 bets, $1,000 bets. Sorry he can't keep up with the hammer. God, boys, limits. Oh, wow. Shaming this guy. He's a broke college kid. Is getting suspended life-changing? I agree with you, Tom.

What, $7 life-changing? He didn't think he was getting caught. And he thought if it's only $7. Like, I assume he thought that was in his. What's the point, though? It was just $7. What if he's undefeated, like I assume he thought that was in his. What's the point, though? It was just $7. What if he's undefeated, though? Can we find out their records?

Like is he plus $3,000 or is that how much he's bet? It was only like $2,600. Yeah, but is he plus $2,600? Like did he win every single $7 bet he placed? I don't know. That wrestler, $45,000 totaling, is like did he lose that or is that just the amount of bets that he took?

Did he win? Did he win that much? Because, I mean, a wrestler who's a chomp, right? Yeah, he was a Big 12 champion, I believe. He was the champion. He was the guy. And then you should have seen him on the book, though. He hunted.

I would imagine he was on tilt a little bit, Jason, if you're betting that much. Oh, you don't think he's on a win streak? He's that confident. Not if he's placing 2,600 bets. I think he's on a win streak? He's that confident. Not if he's placing 2,600 bets. I think he's probably. Listen, athletes, I understand that we are not necessarily the most serious group. Nobody really takes us serious.

Sure. Unless it's a joke about Michigan State. Can't do that. Or a quarterback. Might be in the NFL. Used to be in the NFL. Who? Well, you know.

Oh, yeah. Pretty serious there. Yeah. The most serious. You guys can't be gambling, okay? Like, it's just, it sucks, right? Because you see everybody else having fun, and maybe it's a trait or a gene that you have in your body.

Play cards, okay? And if you want to do something that's like sports gambling, go ahead and play Boo-Ray then. You don't really have much control, but you have an opportunity, has high stakes, makes you feel a little something. Go broke betting on Boo-Ray. Do whatever you have to do. You can't

gamble on your sport, and you can't gamble on sports. It sucks, but this is just one of the things. When you're done, guess what's going to be waiting for you? Even better. You're going to be even smarter. You're going to know even more. The technology is going to be there.

Then you get in there. And that seems like such a logical thought. There is no shot at stopping all these college teams. The people that need to hear it do not listen to that. You know that. Rookie symposium. You're sitting there and everything they're saying, people that need to hear it probably are not really getting through.

But the gambling part was big to us when we first came out because you gamble on the game, you would never play football again. Pete Rose. Pete Rose, everyone remembers. Yeah, that's the thing. Don't be Pete Rose of football, okay? Don't even think about it. Well, back then, tracking it was probably impossible.

Yeah. Unless you get an actual notebook that says Pete Rose won 10,000 times. Isn't that what it said? Like, Pete, as the coach of the Reds, would like to see the Reds lose by two. That's how detailed that notebook was.

They were like, we got it. Do we know if that's real or not? You tell us. Smoking guns. That's what it used to be back in the day. Now it's just an AI going, Decker's family. Where's the location? On campus. Where do the parents live?

Got him. All right, let's keep saving around. Who's the Big 12 champion wrestler? I feel like that fucker's up to something. You see him celebrate? Let's go. Are we on his phone right now? Yeah, let's bounce around a little bit.

What are the apps? Oh, here's a gambling one. Here's a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Holy shit, 45,000. Got him. All right, let's go to the offensive line now. Some of these big fucks got to be gambling in something. That's what they do now.

They're everywhere you are, bro. Right now, I have an iPad here, a computer here, computer here, iPhone here. All four of these fuckers know exactly where I am. Oh, yeah. Not because of how close I am, but because if I'm not here, they know everything about me. Yeah. That's the world we've just kind of conceded to live in.

Yes. So you athletes and coaches just need to know, like, that's the world we live in. Like, that's just how it is. You're not going to get away with it. You're going to get caught. Even if it's three years from now, you're going to get caught at some point. It sucks that you can't do it, but you just can't

for the good of the game. If you can't stay away, get your mom's sister or brother to do it for you. Not your parents who have the same last name as you. At least go the extra step and make sure that the people don't have the same last name. If you want to get a little taste, I don't like doing this because you give an inch, take a mile, whole thing,

and if you get a taste, you might end up going ahead and really taking a big gulp. But, like, you can just tell your friend, like, bingo. What are you thinking? Yeah. All right, let's do that. I'll match. Boom.

And then you're just hands off. But don't do that every bit. No, no, no. Can't be doing it with the same person either. Just a few. Definitely don't be on your own team. That needs to stop. That shit shouldn't even be said.

Like, you can't be betting on your own fucking – not on your own sport. Was Iowa betting the under? Did they find out guys were betting the under? The kicker did, yeah. Makes sense. So, Reese Davis. Reese Davis. Smart.

Smart bettor. I think he may have lost that game, though. Reese Davis said something along the lines of, like, that's not sports gambling. That's just, like, no-risk investing. Something like that. That's pretty good. I thought it was very, very solid out of old Reese.

But with all the jokes that we're saying, this is a serious subject. Because legacies are going to get ruined. Careers are going to get ruined. Futures are going to be in jeopardy. And these dudes that are 18, 19, 20 doing this, who don't have a fully formed brain and seemingly don't think they're going to get caught, this is going to happen.

Yes. Yeah, it's going to get caught too. Definitely going to get caught. If you have the itch too, like, hey, why don't you just work hard, make it to the NFL, and then guess what? You can bet on the NBA and college basketball and all those things away from the facility. Or the hotel or training camp.

Or practice. There's also a casino in Iowa City. If you get the hits, just go down to Riverside. Do that instead. Play some blockjack. Don't accept any benefits though from gambling. Does that same rule apply for casinos and colleges where you can play at home

not away i'm quite sure because they can't play at away stadiums what a clusterfuck just quit the team you can bet on whatever you want that's a good idea too smart start smoking six how was this guy's quarterback uh they were uh terrible lefty yeah they were one they were 119th i believe in offense last year so he wasn't ever worried about that you know, like, oh, God, if I get caught, we're not going to win the Big 12 title. He wasn't worried about that to begin with. And it sounds like you're saying that strictly because he's Iowa State. Well, maybe, but also it's true.

They weren't any fucking good. They did beat Iowa last year, but Iowa's offense sucked. So there's a wow. Yeah. The under in that game should have been an absolute loss. It should have. It was not. So that was the game that the backup kicker from Iowa?

Bet the under on it, and I believe the final score is 27-17. Because Iowa State's 119. Iowa's 130 or whatever it is. And there's no way. We'll put that back here. Let me get these. University of Iowa football player Aaron Blom faces a charge of tampering with records as a result of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation sports gambling investigation. All right. player Aaron Blom faces a charge of tampering with records as a result

of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Sports Gambling Investigation Wait, Blom? Is that the kid who retired from Pittsburgh? Blom? No. Backup kicker at the time allegedly bet the undertotal points on the 2021 Iowa-Iowa State football game. He did not appear in Hawkeyes 27-17

Because last year was 10-7 He said this game's going to suck. I think the total was 19 or something. Alright, let's get to a break. Hour 3 will be on the other side. We'll take some phone calls and wrap up all the other news of the day. Iowa, Iowa State are the first of many, we assume, in the college ranks. We've heard about it in the NFL. Happened in Detroit.

Happened in Indianapolis. Happened in Washington. Atlanta. Atlanta. How many open investigations are there going on right now that we don't know about yet? They're looking at other players. AI is everywhere. Lineman too that got busted.

This one they kind of saw coming down because there was the probe that they announced and then Hunter Decker was not at Big 12 Media Days. You normally take your quarterback to a Big 12 Media Days so they thought that he might be part of it. So he said, yeah, I did it 300 times. And what kind of suspension will there be? Because this is kind of unprecedented for, yeah.

It'll be huge. Oh, yeah. They got to make an example. They got to set the tone right now. They actually thought there was going to be more players than this, so I wonder if there's more coming. Probably. There's probably going to be some more that come out.

That's one state. Yeah, they're probably going state by state. Wait until they do Ohio. They thought there was more Iowa players. How long do you deny it before you finally just give it? All right, you got me. That's one of those things where it's like, nope, and then they just show you a photo.

You're like, all right, how many games? What were you thinking? We saw you put the over here for the Greek Freaks three-pointers. What were you thinking? We saw you bet. For real. We saw you put the over here for the Greek Freaks three-pointers hit. What were you thinking? How'd you know? Do you think there's any of the investigation crew that's like, this is a fucking dog shit? Yeah, what are you doing?

Not only are you ruining your legacy as a football player, this is not a shop at all. Ain't going to get it done. What if they start judging his actual bets first? All right, now that we're done with that. What are you doing? You got like six different fraud tampering. You're fucked, pretty much.

Alright, we'll see you around, I guess. Next time will be the court date. See if you're going to get kicked off the team. We just put a press release out to tell everybody. You're fucked. Hope it was worth it. Giannis. Come on.

What are you doing? See you later, buddy. Good luck out there. That's going to happen all over the place, bro. Yeah. That might help him, though. If you bet shame him, that might help him to stop betting. I would like to see these people with personalities,

like the investigation crew. Boy, you sucked on the field, right? You were a worse doctor. Terrible. And don't even think. Don't even think at your house. Don't even talk with your friends.

Don't even acknowledge that it is a thing. That XFL kickoff is not coming to the NFL. Nope. Doesn't work. That is an embarrassment of football. Yes, it is. It is disgusting. It is stupid. It looks terrible.

It is bushly. Mickey Mouse. No offense. Especially with No offense. Well, Orlando Magic. Mickey Mouse. That's okay.

Their own backyard. Let's get to a break. Anyways, just don't even think about it. It's not happening. What Florio tweeted was bullshit. Can you call Florio right now, please? I'm telling him to delete the fucking tweet Like everybody's saying to me I'm sure he will

Apologize and delete the tweet Come on Mike This isn't cool that he's even putting it out there Because that means he heard from somebody that they're even considering it And now he's kind of putting a spotlight on it To see the reaction Well let's call him back again He might be on the phone.

Do not disturb. Might be on. No, it's an emergency. Keep calling. Yeah, that's right. Send him a text like it's the old pager, 911 or whatever. We need you. SOS, pal.

Red alert. Yes, we need to make sure that this ain't happening. He has a lot to say in the NFL. He knows a lot of people in the NFL. A lot of people test and use Florio for like, hey, let's see how this kind of is kind of heard. This needs not. Could you imagine walking into a fucking Patriots game?

No. And there's half the team standing down there. What? And then the kicker's there. And then they tell you when you can run. It's like, this is practice, bro. I don't even know what it looks like. Could you imagine what?

I don't know if I've ever seen it. For real? Like a fake punt team. No, you've seen it. It's like, this is practice, bro. I don't even know what it looks like. I don't know if I've ever seen it. You've seen it. You've seen it. It's practice. It's like whenever they only do quarter cover. Oh, yeah, actually, because I think I talked about that the one time I saw it. I thought, oh, this is like we do in practice. Yeah, it's quarter cover. Hey, I'm going to save your legs today, but I fucking need you.

You know, think about that on Sunday. You know, here on Thursday, I'm saving your legs. Okay? I don't want to run you to death. Well, we got to do our coverage lanes. So we do a corner cover here. I've heard that a thousand times in my life.

And then the XFL is like, oh, cool thing. What is this? This is a drill? It's like a bullshit drill? Yeah, sweet. We're going to make that our kickoff. You have to use it. It's pretty easy to stay in your lane when you only have to run five yards. It's just dumb. It's at the run five yards. It's just dumb.

It's at the point of contact. It's not football. Where are the blockers? Not football at all. They're right there. Call him again. He said he's in an NBC meeting. I need him to answer this in the meeting.

You know what I mean? Because I know a lot of those people in that meeting after what happened this past offseason with our show and potentially doing that. Could you imagine him answering this and me going, hello, team. Hey, just a quick thing. You might have heard it in that meeting, too. show and potentially doing that. Could you imagine him answering this and me going, hello team! Hey! Just a quick thing. You might have heard it in that meeting too. So then you get the point across to the person. He's in can right now.

They got the whole fan game tomorrow. Oh yeah. We'll talk about that in the next hour. We got good bets up for that. Pump for it. We got real sharp bets. Don't listen to us college football players. Nope. Don't listen. I can't wait to hear what kind of bets you can put on these priests that seems pretty tough anything you want tone feels i feel very good about where we're at starting the season versus where we were last

year yep you know last year boy we we stumbled out of the gates and then those gates got bigger stronger we're running slower than a somalian uh universal woman 100 meter race exactly okay 100-meter racer. Exactly. She was running hurdles when everybody else was not. She ran 200 meters. Everybody else ran 100 meters. For those that don't know what we're talking about, the university game was in the middle of Chacoms. CCP.

The Somalian 100-meter sprinter female is the slowest human to ever compete in any form of track yes you'll know which one she is and it's not a skit this is an actual race yeah for real she got out of the gates quick though did she she was even she might have probably popped it she is still in the gates aj this horse is still in the camera go back does the robot camera go back and get her and come back we got nothing but time this. We got nothing but time, pal.

Go ahead and take a breather. Take your cleats off. And we did it. Congratulations. Wow. Rate it 20.8 or something like that. Not bad. Wasn't wearing the proper equipment.

She wasn't ready. How did she qualify? Well, her uncle apparently is the chief. Yeah, the Sports Federation Commissioner. And he said, you know what? My niece has got fucking blazing speed. I'm going to throw her in here. Every single family reunion we have, she's fucking smoking everybody else in the house.

She races around. Let's put her in there. Now, Somalia's known, I believe, I'm not so sure, but marathon running and long distance running. So I don't know how big. And there's certainly a power to that. Here we go. She lost the race before it started. Just a slow start. Maybe she played her. Ooh. She lost the race before it started. Yeah. Good get-off.

Just a slow start. Maybe she played a normal start. She'd have won. A normal start, she'd have probably won. Maybe she blew a tire. Yeah, she didn't wear the right shoes. She's running in place. She's running in place in a race.

It's awesome. We'd like to let her know that nepotism is sometimes cool. Like, for instance, you get a chance to compete in the university games for your entire country. Yeah. Because you happen to know the person making the decisions. I know Somalia's track team could be much better than that. We will not hold

that against the country of Somalia. We won't say, wow, what a slow fucking... I know Somalia. What do you know about Somalia? Well, slow as shit. I'll tell you what, you need to get somewhere fast. Don't be doing it on the back of any Somali tractor. Don't go there.

They are slow. Has she ever won a race? I don't think she's ever raced, actually. Family reunion. Maybe like a sack race. Three-legged race. Her uncle said, hey, you're racing in the University Games. Maybe a pie race.

Whoa. Come on. Let's get to a break. No, no, no. Hey, ladies, you need to relax. I said one thing. I'm not saying, hey, lady, go eat a banana out of that girl's snatch. That's not what I did.

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. She's being sued for it by three people. Allegedly. Some randoms or people she knew? Allegedly. Some workers. Yeah, people with it. I don't believe it. Hey, Lizzle.. Yeah, people with it. I don't believe it.

Hey, Lizzo. Lizzo stands for that. I don't believe it. Why haven't we heard from Lizzo's team then? Yeah, we haven't heard from them. What was Lizzo's song? They got bananas. Why ain't great till it gotta be great?

Ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. He's the man on Minnesota fire. I don't know if that girl's asshole. I don't know if that's a song. I don't know. Wait, what do you sue him for? Is that a, did she make, did it allegedly make her do it? Harassment, sexual assault. Yeah, harassment and assault.

I don't know. But if it's just words, yeah, sexual harassment. There was hot dogs too, right, allegedly? All right, we'll get to a break. Tim Robinson was there, yeah. Mike Flood can't skip lunch. Yep. But Izzo was actually allegedly telling her backup dancers to, like, hey.

It's lunchtime. Lunchtime, yeah. Get in there. No, no, no, no, no. It was not. That was not. The opposite. Yeah.

Apparently they didn't sell either, or they didn't sue because it was Vienna beef sausages. If it would have just been your run-of-the-mill ballpark Frank, they were not happy about it. It was like, holy shit. Nathan's would have been too long. Spare no expense. That was not what it was. It was the opposite, which is why it was such a big story. It was bananas, you pigs.

No, it's whatever the case, we hope everybody ends up happy. Those are dangerous. We hope nobody feels like they were bullied or harassed by anybody ever. But with that being said, this could be a Minnesota Gopher situation where a couple people couldn't keep up with Lizzo's dancing. You're right. And they got an axe to grind. So we will continue to follow the story.

And I don't think I'd heard Lizzo's name in a long time. No. Yesterday, every human I know said, you going to talk about Lizzo? You going to talk about Lizzo? I'm like, I didn't even know you would know Lizzo exists. You heard about Lizzo? you going to talk about Lizzo? I didn't even know you would know Lizzo you heard about what she's been doing to her dancers? of course I know Lizzo

she came cheeks out at the Lakers game that's how I was kind of introduced to her and then the whole bye Minnesota Vikings joining us now is a man who's trying to ruin the NFL with every single tweet that he sends. He's in Canton, Ohio.

A fan, a friend, I used to be of this man. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Florio, can't do it. Can't do it. Can't do it. Don't do it. Don't do what? You are a man who people in NFL circles respect.

You are a man with actual influence in the biggest league in the world. You are a man with connections in the biggest league in the world. The league that we love, that we cover every single day. So when you put out a tweet that looks like this, Florio, the XFL kickoff event. No, don't even put that into the universe. Florio, we can't have this bush league garbage in our league florio so i need you to delete that i need you to delete that and we cannot have this happening why is this taking place by zon i'm not i hope you're being sarcastic

well it's not my idea it's the nfl's idea The NFL is exploring possibilities for getting rid of the kickoff as it's currently designed. And one of the options, I'm told, as it explains in the story, if you click on, before I delete the tweet, click on the link and read the story. They're looking at the XFL option. They're looking at other options, too. Now, I talked to somebody else who said the XFL option is where they're going with this. Who is it? That's somebody with say? That's somebody with information that told you that?

Somebody who, if I told you the name, you'd say, okay, yeah, that's somebody who knows what's going on. Oh, shit. Can't do it. But the person also said it's going to be a disaster because the caliber of the NFLfl player those guys standing still like they're electric football figures before you turn the button on once it's time to go they're going to swarm all over the kick returner and there's never going to be much of a return florio imagine

walking into a stadium and seeing this shit you know what i mean doesn't it look like did you have electric football it looks like electric did you have electric football? It looks like electric football and you're waiting to flip that little red button. So, Florio, this is actually like quarter cover drill for like practice. Like this actually happens. Like it was like the XFL just created something out of nowhere. Like this is a kickoff coverage drill to save legs is what it's kind of described as by special teams coaches.

So this has been in practices for a long time it's just it is not i mean it's just what are we doing you know what do we do you think they're actually gonna make this move and how soon is something like this potentially happen you think what they're gonna do because the band-aid for this year is the fair catch if you call for the fair catch within the goal line in the 25 and we hate that right you hate that we hate that we hate i hate that no okay good we agree on all this i'm trying to provide people with news yeah i know florio all right and this is the this is me this is me being mad at the bearer of the bad news yeah yeah well i apologize when is this potentially going to get enacted upon you think maybe next year they vote on it if this fair catch thing?

The reason they went with the fair catch thing this year is because they didn't have any better ideas. So now they're looking for other ideas. They're studying the data from the NFL about that abomination that you hate. And they're looking at other options. But they're determined to do something. They want to get rid of the high-speed collisions. The average speed, and this is the messenger. Don't kill the messenger.

The average speed, according to the NFL, for the player running down the field for kick coverage is 17 miles per hour. And when two guys collide at that kind of speed, it's increased risk of concussion. And the one thing they never talk about is the kevin everett injury it's the the eric legrand injury at rutgers if you remember that one it's the dipping of the helmet instinctively at the point of impact colliding pressure on your neck fractured c5 vertebrae and then you have a potentially serious condition paralysis or whatever yeah and i understand all that my idea would be just like hey they've tried that i think heads up football has done a great job and i think eric legrand has become an incredibly inspiring human to listen and watch and everything he's got going on and same with everett they're like whatever you think of

whatever you think of a kickoff though, that's football. You know what I mean? And I think if you listen to the football people talk about it and then you listen to seemingly the business corpo people talk about it or media and everybody else talk about it, two vastly different conversations. That's why the

NFL pushing through that fair catch thing this past year was kind of scary for everybody. You even heard Andy Reid talk about it. You heard Belichick talk about it. It's like, well, if they're just willing to do this when every coach and player is like, no, no, no, what else will they do with that? You know what I mean? That's right. And that's a real fear I think people have.

Oh, that's right. They're going to do whatever they're going to do. And what people think about it doesn't matter. They're going to push through to get enough votes to support whatever they want to do. And if the rest of us don't like it, the attitude is going to be tough shit. I mean, that's the vibe that we get as it relates to these kinds of changes that everybody seems to be against. And there's so many people that are against changing the kickoff that I think it doesn't matter. They are, I think, obsessed. And look, i got no problem with efforts to reduce concussions

that's the goal and to avoid potentially serious or fatal injuries i get that but it's an obsession and a certain point football is football and the as joe burrow said last year we know what we signed up for and and the guys are still playing you know everybody knows everything there is to know about the risk of playing football now, and there's no shortage of football players. So are you going to fundamentally change the game? It's one thing to make the game safer. When you fundamentally change the game, that's when you have a problem,

and that's what they're at risk of doing. All right. Well, we appreciate you joining us here midday, just calling you four times. In the middle of a meeting, you hop out of there. I was in an NBC meeting. My FaceTime keeps going off, and It didn't have a name on it. I'm like, is this some wrong number? What the hell's going on here?

Well, I wish you would have answered in there. Thank you for being persistent. I wish you would have answered in there so I could say hello to the folks. You guys got the Hall of Fame game tomorrow? Is that what's going on? We got the Hall of Fame game tomorrow night, 7 o'clock, on NBC and Peacock. 7 Eastern coverage begins. Jets at the brand.

Hey, Diggs has a question for you. Do we know who's playing quarterback for the Jets yet? Are you being sarcastic? No. Aaron Rodgers. No. No, no. Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson gets to start tomorrow night. How long? Quarter and then Stravolski?

Yeah, I don't know how long it's going to be, but I think what they were talking about today, it sounds like Zach Wilson versus Kellen Mond, who is still in the league and getting his opportunity to shine tomorrow night. Geez. All right, Florian, we appreciate you, buddy. Have a great show tomorrow. We'll hope for a good game.

And the new website looks good. I think you should be proud of it. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. People don't like that the comments aren't there, but that's okay. They can go to Twitter and they can yell at me there. You can yell at me on the street.

Yell at me wherever you see me. You just can't yell at me on my website anymore. Hey, I respect that. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Florio. Thank you. Did you hear it? No. No dice.

The man who did not say it, the only guy with a microphone right now that is on that did not say it is A.J. Hawker. I was not in on the meeting again. I didn't know. Thank you for being here, AJ. I was unaware. I was unaware of what we were doing today.

Ignorance is not an answer to this particular situation, FK. If you don't know, ask your buddy. All right? They certainly need to be a little bit more communicative with you, I think, AJ, if you're looking to participate in our team bonding situations. But also, since the beginning of our team bonding chemistry display at the beginning of every hour, you have spit in its face every single time. Nope, I've been tricked before multiple times.

We came back on the air and tried to trick me to do it, and then all of a sudden it's a different word. And then, oh, wait, actually, no, you're not in on this one. You got to wait until next hour. I don't know if you remember that, but that's happened a few times. We've never done that. We've never flipped the word. The only time we've ever done it was when we were doing love for Valentine's Day.

And we said yesterday, that's football until football's over. Zito just reminded me that maybe one time. Maybe one time. The love. Maybe. Maybe meaning guaranteeing at least one time. Yes. Now, maybe.

He just got married. You calling him a fucking liar? Oh! Come on! Speaking of team bonding. Briefly married people can't lie. I forgot. Yeah, bingo.

That's what they say. Newlyweds, no, never lie. Newlyweds, never lie. That's what they say. But there was a time where tech-wise, we had a glitch and all our mics muted. Yeah. And yours was the only one because it was outside of the studio.

So if that is why you're so gun-shy, we apologize. No, I'm not gun-shy. I got to get back into it. We haven't done it in a long time, I feel like. It kind of went away, didn't it? From the top, please. Football is the word, AJ. Oh, I'm not doing this one, no.

What? What? Wow, you thought because all of us pretty much have ADD, we would have forgotten by tomorrow that you were like, blah, blah, blah, pretty much alluding to that you would do it. Yeah, absolutely. So look what I'm doing. Look what I'm doing.

I'm fucking Willy Wonka all of a sudden. Yeah. Here's an opportunity. Golden ticket. Secondly, he's going to go. From the top. Hey. What?

Let's go. This show fucking stinks. And the fact that you listen, we are very, very thankful for it. AJ, you never cease to amaze me with your toxicity, pal. You got a couple of these? God damn it!

What the fuck are you doing? Fuck Boston, Kyle. What? AJ! Yeah! Yeah! Shut the fuck up. Hello, beautiful people. Welcome, yet again, back to our humble abode in the Thunderdome.

On this Wednesday, August 2nd, 2023, Hour 3 of this program starts again right now. Football! This guy sucks! No. This guy sucks. No. This guy sucks. What the hell, dude? What is the deal? It mutes everybody.

When I talk, it mutes all of you. It mutes me. No, it doesn't. No. It's a tough situation. It's a lie. In your ears, you need to fight through that. You need to buy into it.

You heard me. I said it. You couldn't hear me. It mutes me. I told you that. No, it doesn't. If you guys talk at the same time right now, I won't mute you. Me and Pat.

Me and Pat. No, you guys. Nope. Nope. Nope. Yep. See? I can't hear you. I can't hear you. I can't do anything. now and won't meet you. Me and Pat. No, you got it. Nope, nope, nope. I can't hear you. I can't do anything.

We can hear you. That's an embarrassment. Hey, you know what? Tonight, when you lay that massive skull down on a pillow that I assume is just rock, you know? I do like firm pillows, yes. Dude, big head people. I have a large cranium as well. Heavy headed people.

Yeah. Which I think big, you think there's big light head? Oh yeah, I'm sure there is. But like, I don't like the, every hotel pillow is so flimsy, just wraps all the way around your head. Worst. Dude, I'm just laying flat on my fucking back. You know what I mean?

Straight back right there. And I'm getting like a rear naked choke from the pillow. It's like, would you like another pillow? I think it'll get worse. I think it'll get tighter than it fucking takes. All of a sudden I'm doing this like right here. It's like, why don't you sleep while in hotels? It's like, well, the cranium is so big. Your cranium though, when it lays down tonight on that

probably satin Egyptian sheets that you have, you know, number five overall pick, old CBA, old CBA. Hawk feathers. Yeah, definitely with some. Hawk feathers. Why don't you think about, yeah, definitely with some birds in there. Why don't you think about how every time we say

team on me, team on three. One, two, three. Team. Team. There it is. You make a mockery out of it. You do. Every time. No, I don't. You guys do. It's you guys making a mockery out of it. I just want to let you know here, we're gearing up for a big time fall. Yeah. Huge. Huge.

And there's going to be times where it's going to feel like it's us versus literally every human on Earth. So we're going to need our little attic dwelling friend to fucking get on board. Isn't that right? Absolutely. Big time. So tomorrow, a little bit more enthusiasm. Okay. Honestly, I will.

I will make the effort. I agree. You might have to send me a text to remind me, but I promise you I will definitely participate. Okay, you know, honestly, I will. I will make the effort. I agree. You might have to send me a text to remind me, but I promise you, I will definitely participate. Look, the show has not started yet tomorrow. This is technically a pre-show meeting for tomorrow. It has adjourned. We have it all. We're ready to move on. The talk today was here at Ty Schmidt,

at Boston Conner, and at Boston Conner's mullet with a Black Panther on his chest. One half of the hammer, done. Cowboys tone. Diggs, it's your tone. You a Black Panther on his chest. One half of the hammer, done. Cowboys, Tony Diggs. Tony, you're looking thin. Thank you. I appreciate that. Now, you're wearing black, which does that.

I wear black on a regular basis to do that. But you're starting to look really good, buddy. Thank you. It's like we're taking a trip back in time with Tony Diggs. Turns out if you don't eat a bag of shit every day, things start to go better. One 14-year NFL vet, Adam Pacman. Jones, you're good to see you, Pac. Pac gifted me this pinky ring

alongside our friends at Tajji Diamonds. It's absolutely huge, AJ. Look at this thing. It's your face on my pinky. Oh, yes. Look at that thing. Huh? You gotta punch some dudes with that. Well, no, it's me. Leaving it. Bam, right there. Let me get it and then

on the top it's the top of the thunderdome can you imagine how much poop is going to be smeared on that no no buddy you know the deal well sometimes though you get like three wipes in then you remember no never actually especially with this thing you know how painful that would potentially be i don't need you talking about my shit let's move on to some more shit what you were just talking about there. Not eating a bag of shit? Yeah. Something came up during a break that reminded me that you have a terrible food take that we should talk about.

And I'm not the only one. Mark Caboli has been through it over there in Pittsburgh during Steelers camp. Normally we get a chance to chat with athletic writer for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mark Caboli at least twice by this time. We haven't been able to get him on the program.

Our fault. We will make sure we have him on soon. He's been through it. And today he's been fed up. He's sick of people saying the flats are bearing drums as chicken wings. And this reminded me that Tone Diggs used to actually be known for eating chicken wingies in bed at night. Love wingies. With no shirt on, completely naked, and it was flats.

He's eating in bed, 11.30 at night, midnight. Put the plate next to him. I'm falling asleep. If he rolls at all, busted up wings rolling onto him. Using his sheets to wipe his fingies. This is your fault. Yeah, kind of disgusting. I mean, it was something that he

lived through, he did. But you were a big time flats over drums guy for a long time. One of the first that I've ever met. Are you still that way? Yeah, I still am. I'm always flat. I'll pay extra if I get flats over drums. Whoa. So flats are wings. Flats are the... I never heard the term flats.

Is that a Pittsburgh deal? No. No, I actually think it's more of an out here deal. Yeah, I don't know. What are you, flat? I like both, but I've heard of the term flats. Is that a Pittsburgh deal? No. No, I actually think it's more of an out here deal. Yeah, I don't know. What are you, a flat? I like both, but I've heard of flats. I've been laughing at AJ too many. Never heard of flats. Yeah, he's...

Nope. He probably... He hasn't had a chicken wing in 20 years. I had some like 34 days ago, I believe. Oh, really? From Roosters? Doubt it. I love Roosters, but no, something else.

I don't know where it was, but yeah. Are you a drum or a flat guy if I had my choice drums me too I don't think Diggs you're the only human there's not enough meat on the wings there's not enough meat when you order 36 from there

just a lot of work it's like trying to get crab legs or something. I spent three hours, and I got it by $600 worth. Bro, that burial right there had a clod. Yeah. The ball had a big clod. Yeah, Oppenheimer. Yeah, it was.

That's what it felt like. It was about 36 of them cheapskates. Oh, I ate wings with you. What are you talking about? Remember? We were traveling somewhere. I had like 25 of them. They were so good.

The lady kept eating them up. Those were delicious. They were amazing. They were cooked on the, remember? Yeah. They were amazing. It was crazy. That were so good. The lady kept eating them up. Those were delicious. They were amazing. They cooked on the, remember? Yeah, amazing. It was crazy. That was so good.

Yeah. All right, let's move back to sports. Travis Kelsey is awesome. We're all fans of Travis Kelsey. Huge. He does have a mustache today. He looks fucking stupendous in this. Oh, yes.

If you have a good mustache, you know, like proper color, good bold fullness to it. Thick. There's nothing better. No. I do not have that. The color of my hair on my upper lip is not strong enough. It is not full enough for me to be a mustachioed

gentleman travis kelsey has this jason kelsey has this oh yeah they need to rock this because this son of a bitch looks good now the mustache is you know symbolic of blue collar you know it's a it's a hard worker look on your upper lip there it's letting the world know the type of human you are. And Travis Kelsey did this in practice the other day as well. Whenever there was a little bit of a seam. Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey. And what happens? Everybody sticks his arm in a little bit too late.

What do you get the fuck off me? Son of a bitch. Okay, I don't have time for it. A little bit of a push, a little bit of a shove with a left hook starting the whole thing. I assume that's not his first time running into 43 at practice, whether it was immediately after a play was over, or if Travis thought this guy's maybe been doing a little

bit too much. A little bit too much. Who's the guy that did this? He's from Dakota, one of the Dakotas. Oh, okay. He's a... Grinder. Yeah, I believe he is that. Travis Kelsey would immediately afterwards go on to say that, I've got to be a better leader. I can't do that.

I can't do any of this type of stuff. And we respect that. We appreciate that. I liked it this far into his career. He's already, what, top two tight end. You can make argument all the time. And there will be people that will change who the other one is in there. But he, and there's other people that have different,

he is statistically going to go to, who knows how many Super Bowls he's going to win. Who knows how many Super Bowls he's going to win. Gronk obviously has a bunch. Antonio Gonzalez is obviously incredible at what he did. Old buddy out there for the Chargers, Antonio Gates. He's incredible. Kittle is incredible.

I mean, there's obviously a list, but what Kelsey's going to accomplish when it's all said and done, his stats, his accomplishments, everything, it's going to be hard not to put him in a convo of the greatest of all time. For sure. This deep into it, he's still fucking fighting with guys. Loving. I love it.

Now, we just ran the Ken Dorsey thing after the Buffalo Beals lose to the Miami Dolphins, and he loses his mind in the coach's booth, and it's all caught on camera, and it goes viral, and people say, like, it's going to linger over his head forever. And our immediate reaction was like, at least he cares. It seems like this guy cares. The boys are going to love that. Same thing here with Travis.

AJ, that's how I feel. What are your thoughts on it all? I was thinking, hey, if I'm the coach of this team or I'm, you know, the GM or the owner, I'm sitting there like, hey, I love it. This guy's an international superstar right now. The biggest tight, like you said, can go down as possibly the greatest tight end of all time depending on how much longer he plays, whatever happens. Yeah, and he got a little pissed off.

It's training camp. He catches a touchdown. An old buddy came across trying to punch that ball out maybe a split second later than Trav thought it should happen. So he just gave him a little left hook. And then old buddy didn't back down. Here we go. We go to the next play.

We're fine. We learn about cuz. Training camp fights happen all the time. Pac, were you a part of any of those in practice or did you save it all for game oh no if that play over with i would have punched him too probably early yo bro i'm already get your ass back you know i mean but after play fighting happens though in practice at training camp and every year obviously it's talked about and there's a crowd that goes like this happened this is the same we have, it's talked about. And there's a crowd that goes like, this happened. We have this conversation literally all the time.

And there's always people that are confused. And there's a new train of thought that's pretty much like, guys, don't fight anymore because you don't want to hurt yourself when you're smarter. It's like with how hot it's been, right? That's the other thing. It has been hotter than it's ever been. Historically hot.

It's boiling. In the history of the world. It's hot as fuck. You're sleeping in a hotel. Travis Kelsey was at the premier quarterback, then at the ESPYs, then at Tahoe. Just suited a bit of red carpet and everything. Now he's at training camp. It is 1,000 degrees.

And this guy, okay, that is not doing anything. He's hitting me a little bit late. You can see how tempers quickly, boom, and then get resolved and he apologizes for it and everything like that. But why do you think fights do happen? Is it all those things? Everybody's miserable? Is it competitive juices? What do you think is the normal cause of the fighting?

You know how it is. It's a lot of young guys that's trying to prove that they can be on the team. And them first couple days when you put them pads on, it's a lot of, what's the word I'm looking for? High intense intestinal raw built up in you to show what you've been doing the whole summer. Well, Toradol and testosterone, both needed. I agree with what you're saying.

But you're right, there is a lot of anxiety and energy. Brandon Bean just said yesterday, first day of pads, almost everybody's like nervous. Even people that are like 10-year vets, it's like, all right, I've been running my sprints. I've worked out. I've watched film. Here's the part where now it's time to start hardening the body a little bit

and start taking shots. Everybody's sore. AJ, you're all-time leading tackler for the Packers. I assume every training camp you were sore? Oh, yeah, whole time pretty much. But after the first, like we said before, after the first, I'd say, 10 to 12 days, your body does kind of acclimate, and you just kind of get in that rhythm, and you just keep going.

But isn't that hilarious? Like, going to training camp, first day it's like, alright, ten days I'm going to be fucking very sore here. But you got to do it. You got to do it. Got to do it. Got to do it. And it's like tensions can get a little bit high when those happen. I saw that Cleveland Browns had two fights. Had a little

slap and run from Cuds. That was quite a play. I thought he was fucking with that guy. Yeah, I did too. I thought it was a joke. I'm like, oh, these two must get along. Well, a little 54 here. What?

What was that smack and run? Ah, if you can, you can. Runs into another guy. Oh, you didn't think I was here? Bam, get out of here. That was wild. I did not expect that. I thought that had to be a joke.

Me too, especially with how he ran, like with his hands. Yeah. I think a seven-year vet right there, if my research does recall. O'Lyman, he's been in the league for three years going into his fourth. These are two vets doing this in the middle of their practice. Let's say things are going well if this is taking place, obviously a little slap run. Are they the Greenbrier the whole time?

I don't know. I think the Saints contract ran out, didn't it? They don't go there anymore. So the Saints used to go there because they had ties to West Virginia. I forget exactly what it was. And it was kind of a deal. And also, New Orleans during training camp time, like 155 degrees. Yeah, they had to move their pride to the other side.

So they went up to Greenbrier to kind of get away from that a little bit, even though it's going to be hot as fuck at Greenbrier as well. It's in West Virginia. But it's not as hot as the Bayou or whatever. So I guess the Greenbrier saw good results whenever they were having training camp there with fans and things to do. And they had all the, you know, we have accommodations, everything you could possibly need.

This is where they did it. Casino? Are they allowed to use a casino out there? I doubt it. No way. They built a whole complex for all of it, though. I was there last winter, two winters ago. It's a cool setup they have.

And then, anyways, Greenbrier's beautiful. They're having camp there. Two fights happen. It's one cool setup they have. And then, anyways, Greenbrier's beautiful. They're having camp there. Two fights happen this one particular day, and then old Stefanski does, now you have enough energy for two fights? Everybody on the line. Classic. Some people jogging, some people actually running,

depending upon if you're going to make the team or not. Everybody thinks it's bullshit. But this is something, I guess, Stefanski thought they had to do, and these types of things just come with training camp. Yeah. Is it a lot of like you see the same guy – like I know right now Joey Porter Jr. and George Pickens are going at each other every single rep.

I assume you had a wide receiver on the Bengals. Like every single rep you had to go against. Are you just – it's inevitably going to happen that you guys get pissed at each other? Yeah, I wouldn't – like my whole thing was with AJ. But we wouldn't – we weren't fighting like that. that no he'll give me some plays but no i've have gotten to it with a lot of running backs that want to be running me straight over when i'm just trying to throw it and that will cause a fight yeah it's quieter too right like what about like to and dallas oh yeah yeah

like would he would it be more someone who is a vocal kind of louder likes the trash talk guy that's the one that's trying to get under your skin? Oh, yeah. But to y'all, they talking trash to get up under your skin, but it's never to disrespect you physically and then like that. Which comes back to Mac Jones, allegedly. True. Blaise Campbell said, like, Phil Rivers, yeah, he talked trash.

And there's that video of the defensive lineman helping him up. And then the defensive lineman saying something and then him going, 98-yard touchdown! In this guy's ear hole who just helped him up. And it's like you hear those stories about Phil Rivers from everybody.

Phil Rivers talks shit to everybody. Never swore. Has 11 kids. Super good dude, but like the way he competed was he chirped. Yeah. And Calais Campbell's like, yeah, Phil Rivers talked, but he wasn't, like, disrespectful. Like, Mac Jones is like, he's disrespectful, this guy.

What's he saying? When this got released, it's almost like Calais Campbell was doing a PR campaign for Mac Jones in New England, right? Yes. Yes. Everybody in New England I saw at least loved it. I mean, that's what Trash talks about, especially that's what, you know, in the Northeast it does get a little personal,

and sometimes you do have to go to that next level. Now, I don't know if talking that type of shit to Calais Campbell, a D lineman who's actually probably going to get to you a couple times, I do believe Calais Campbell ended up being the one that hurt Mac Jones last season on a sack against the Ravens, and that has, I'm not saying those correlate at all. What's that? He said I kind of like to be nice to guys because you know

there's, in the back of their head, there's a chance that they see me and they let up just a little bit. So that's, every time I talk to returners, hey, run around me. You know what I mean? I say, don't run me over. You know, you guys are so good. Like, don't run me over. It'd be really nice if you don't run me over. Just shake the shit out of me. Do what you gotta do.

And I used to think, like, hopefully whenever they're running, I'll be like, yeah, I'll just run right by this fucking guy. And then I'm gonna close that side. And then I gotcha. And then boom. I didn't mean it earlier. I did not mean what I said. Pac-Man was an asshole. But you got some people like Vontaze Burfick.

Shit. Taz practiced one way. Your ass better be ready to go or he going to knock your ass out. Did you hit in practice or no? Yes, to a certain extent. I thought. I ain't trying to kill nobody. Vontaze, he is coming downhill like he's in the game. I'm talking about if we got any counterpads on top, shoulder pads,

and helmets, you had to protect yourself. Leron Landry was the same way. It was awesome. Well, I mean, I didn't have to do anything. It was awesome for you to watch. I was just watching. I don't know how everybody else felt about it, but joining us now is a man who's always full speed as well.

He is the beat writer for the Pittsburgh Steelers for the Athletic. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who is on the same page as me whenever it comes to chicken wings and most things revolving around life, Mark Cabal. Yay! Mully! Mully, you look unbelievable. on the same page as me whenever it comes to chicken wings and most things revolving around life, Mark Bull. Yay! Bully, you look unbelievable, training camp shape, ready to go. How are you, pal? I'm fine.

I'm here actually watching practice right now. I'm probably doing something illegal. So if you don't see me tomorrow, I probably got suspended for a practice. So I have to keep an eye on it. All right. Well, hopefully the Steelers don't give you a run around and we don't give you any problems there's a couple quick things here George Pickens makes one of the most absurd catches uh that we've seen on the internet sometime offensive pass interference okay still made the catch he is doing this stuff every day

like he was last year because I believe last year his rookie training camp we said who's making plays every day and he said well if George Pickens doesn't make a play it would be more startling than if he does make a play is he just highlight reel after highlight reel and what are you expecting from him this year yeah I think he's going to take a step up just a little bit ago they were doing their seven on seven goal line shots and he made a spectacular catch over Patrick Peterson and somehow got his feet in and uh once again it was a little ho-hum for everybody around here because you see it so much he hasn't really jumped off the page like he did last year because nobody was really expecting

it but uh he's made probably more than a handful of plays already this year and he's the thing about him this year is he got a little bit of an attitude, as in he's shoving balls in people's faces, he's dancing. So I think he's feeling a lot more comfortable this year than he did last year, and he's still making some plays. You don't want his dancing to keep us out of the end zone. Go ahead, AJ. Kaboy, how's that defense look? I know Highsmith signed that extension in the offseason.

How's he looking? How's the rest of the squad looking on D? they're looking good they're looking good they're just trying to find who goes where they brought in kwan alexander here just a couple days ago and see where he fits in right now and that's basically what they're doing they've had some injuries minka fitzpatrick's been out because of uh some personal issues so he's hasn't been in here at all for all of training camp. That gives some of the other guys. But the thing with this defense is right now is they got a lot of talent, but they're just trying to find places for them to fit.

They probably got 15 or 16 different guys that can fit in different situations. They just got to find out where some of those guys fit at. Of course, the Haywards, the Ogunjobe, the Highsmith, who has this crazy, crazy-ass spin move he come up with over the offseason should put him up there in the double-digit sacks again. And T.J. Watt, just take it easy. I'll see you September 10th type of the way I look at it. But, yeah, the defense is looking good. The offense is looking good.

Everybody around here thinks this is a 10, 11, 12 win season. Very, very high expectations. I don't know about me. I'm a little bit mid here. Nine, maybe. A lot of hope here in St. Vincent College.

This team's going to make a run at the Bengals. Tony Diggs has a question for you, Kaboli. Yeah, Kaboli, I saw Kenny said he felt more comfortable in the second year of the offense. Is it hard to get more comfortable running jet sweeps and tosses in Canada's offense? And I see every day that Highsmith is just abusing Dan Moore.

Is Broderick Jones' first-round draft pick going to end up winning that job, or what do we think of there? You always got to throw that dig in at Matt Canada, huh there, Tom? Yeah, well. Don't worry. Short passes might have gone by the wayside, but the jet sweeps are still around, so you got that to look forward to. Oh, yeah.

I think it's been a concerted effort so far in a week into camp to let Kenny throw the ball down the field. Like right now, they're on team live drill right now, and Kenny's already changing the play. Uh-oh, breaking news, changing the play at the line of scrimmage. Whoa! We're on the ticker. Old audible, Kenny Pickett. Here we go.

Somebody just thought of all, so what I'm saying is they're letting him do it. Four deep shots. I need to be a better play-by-play guy. There's a lot of people standing in front of me. But, yeah, so I think he's looking a lot better. Highsmith, he is abusing some of those guys. Roger Jones is a young guy. So you have to give him some time here as well as Dan Moore.

I still think Dan Moore will start the season. I know you don't like that tone, but I think Broderick will eventually get in there. He has a ton of talent. All right, last question here, and we'll let you get back to the coverage that the world needs of the Pittsburgh Steelers for the athletic. You said flats people are just wrong and dumb when it comes to chicken wings.

I agree. What do you think is wrong with them, you think? Why do they do that? Well, you don't need two bones, first of all. I mean, I'm confused of how to get the meat out between the two bones. Do you use your tongue? Do you use your fingers, right? With the drums or whatever you call them, I call them the dings.

Maybe that's a Western PA yinzer term, the wing and the ding. I call that the ding. It's just like pa yinzer term the wing and the ding yeah i call that i call that the ding it's just like a little chicken leg right on it like that i had some adenos last night the chicken legs actually the chicken wings actually looked like a chicken leg they were that big so if you're going flats man you're just robbing yourself of joy i think so too they're not getting it right and speaking of getting things right like ty's really worried about you wants to ask about something yeah mark just curious uh is there like a jiffy lube around you or anything like that i know you tweeted this morning that your goddamn muffler fell off your car i i mean what a kick in the ass have you made

any uh headway with that anything gonna happen there no it's still hanging on by a thread, but it's making a ton of noise. So it's wobbling back and forth. I don't really care. That thing has to be so loud. It's so loud. It's either something going wrong with my car. You remember the last time I talked to you, we had some bathroom issues, right? Yep. I could do a port-a-pot.

Pull that thing around. All right. Call that the caboli, John. There you go. Big, big port-a-pot. I don. Call that the cabal. There you go. Big B port-a-pot. I don't think anybody's in there. So what if you've got to deal with big B's port-a-pot after that? That'd be fantastic.

All right. Cabal. We appreciate you, pal. You're the best training camp going good over there though. It seems like, uh, you know, I'm here.

What's that? Cabal. This is, I'm going to the training camp beard, man. I'm here 20 years in the hospital. What's that, Caboli? I'm not shaving. I'm going to the training camp beard, man. I'm too lazy to shave. Nice. Hey, do it all season until they lose. They ain't ever going to lose. Never.

No, 17-20-0. All right, let's do it. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Caboli, you're undefeated. Get it, Barney! What? I don't think anybody's in there. What if they open the door and somebody's taking a dump? Tomlin.

Tomlin. Coach Tomlin's in there dumping. That would be amazing. So that's two cold calls today. It seems like that's going to be an MO of a show. My wife brought this up last night while we were at dinner. She was like, you know, there's some things that happen on your show where I just think to myself, like, that's going to be on ESPN.

And I'm like, oh, I've been doing a lot of that lately as well. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't do much of that before, but I've been doing a lot of that lately. She was like, how about when you just cold call Tony Miola? Do you ever think about that? Like, is there a lot of people that do that on shows where they just say, like, hey, you want to call fucking Tony?

And you're like, wait. Yeah. It's like, we wait. We got this. Yeah. Let's call Tony. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's do this. She's like, what do you think their response is going to be to that? Because there's probably so many rules about just like going live on air. Yeah. We're calling them. like going live on air. Yeah. We're calling them.

There's probably so many things that could potentially be wrong, which is why people probably don't do this style of thing. And then us, it's like, yeah, let's wait on them. Let's see what the 1996 United States. I mean, the last time someone got cold called on air that wasn't on this show is basically when Shannon Sharp called Julio, and Julio was like, man, I got to get the fuck up out of here. Got in trouble. I guess we do have Tony Mule, but it was only via phone call

because he got his car play on. Be safe. We appreciate that. Hey, Tony, this women's team going to win this World Cup? Not a lot of hype around the United States women's team as much as there has been in the past. Should we be saying as much shit as we're saying about other countries and the U.S. being as dominant as they're going to be?

Yeah, man. Well, we thought they'd be a little bit more dominant, but it hasn't looked good, has it, over the last couple of games? Yeah, look, I suppose if you want to be the best team in the world, you also have to be open to criticism, right, when things don't go your way. And truth be told, they've not been good. So let's hope that they turn this thing around. They couldn't get a worse draw here with Sweden in this match.

Oh, no, Sweden just beat England? No, Sweden just beat the hell out of Italy. turning this thing around. They couldn't get a worse draw here with Sweden in this match. Sweden just beat England? No, Sweden just beat the hell out of Italy. Yeah, they beat Italy, and they beat Argentina last night, and that's who the U.S. will play. Yeah, look, but truth be told, going into this World Cup, they have not looked good.

They had two games against Ireland, one game against Wales, and it just is not clicking at the moment. He's talking. All right, Tony, last question from us, and we appreciate you. We have a picture of you up right now on the screen. You look incredibly handsome. Yeah. I don't know how to do this thing.

Don't worry about it. Now, we got you as like a 26-year-old, seemingly, with the turtle goalkeeper. Oh, I see it now. Yeah, yeah. No, that's a hot shot right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we'll keep this in. Whenever you talk, you move.

I mean, it's really realistic. It's unbelievable what we're doing over here. Almost animation at this standpoint. But, like, let's move away from the U.S. women's national team, and hopefully they'll be able to beat Sweden. Let's talk about Methi coming to the MLS and being absolutely dominant. I signed up for Apple to watch this guy. Then I go back for his next game against Atlanta.

He scores eight minutes in, and then him and Busquets are just kind of doing their own thing. Is this what it's going to be like all year? Because they were out of playoff contention, and now I'm just assuming they're going to win it all? Is that what's going to happen in the MLS? Well, I don't know if they're going to win it all, but they may actually make the playoffs.

Now, he's been outstanding. And, look, everyone keeps telling me, Messi's coming to the end, he's coming to the end. But what the hell does that mean, he's coming to the end? I mean, this is a guy six months removed from winning the World Cup. Messi, is he 80% now? If he's 80%, he's still better than 99% of the people in the world, and I think that's what we're seeing right now.

But it's been a lot of fun to watch, man. And by the way, you signed up for Apple, so they got you, my friend. They did. They got you. They did. They got me forever, too, if Messi's going to play in there. We appreciate you so much. How's the men's national team?

Are you head coach yet? Hey, listen, all I know is Christian Pulisic signed in my club, and now Eunice Moussa. I'm a Milan fan, so you know what I'm going to be doing every Sunday morning? Hell yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Tommy Waller. Thank you, my son. That's so realistic.

I know. That's crazy. I know. I thought we were in the time machine talking to younger Tony. I know. That's crazy. I know. I thought we went in a time machine talking to younger Tony. I see him shaking on the screen, and I look back. I didn't put it together first. Big self-pop out of Zito over there. That was awesome.

Hey, way to innovate back here. Yep. Good work, boys. That's the type of stuff we need. Hell yeah. Tony Mioiuola cold call 3-3 today I don't know how to get off that car play thing either

it drives me nuts it's impossible I say I don't want car play I said no to car play and then I think the next time I got into my car it just said yeah you're doing it I don't even know how to get out of it now at this stage.

I think I'm kind of fucked. Wi-Fi off, Bluetooth off. Yeah. But Bluetooth. Give it to how do you get. I have to Bluetooth. I want to Bluetooth to hear my music. How do you get places?

That's right. And you can't plug your phone in because that's the only thing. If I've been connected to Apple CarPlay or whatever, if your phone's plugged in, FaceTime doesn't work. Mine works, though, when I'm not plugged in. No, yeah. I'm normally, I'll connect to people's cars. Yeah. I'm a big Bluetooth guy.

Yeah. Something happened with my car where it has forced me into the AirPlay or the CarPlay. What is it? Yeah, CarPlay. CarPlay. CarPlay. That's what that is right there. Yeah.

If you enable microphone and camera, that might be why. That's a lot. Because if it's disabled, then that doesn't happen. They're really thinking that I'm a smart fuck. There's too many things. I don't need it all. Like, let me, you know what I mean? John Taffer used to walk into those places that had, like, a six-page menu.

Yep. And he's like, give these people five things. Just five things. What are we even doing? Feels like technology is getting to the point where a lot of decisions. Too much. I'm going to have to make a lot of decisions. Yep.

Cars are spaceships. I mean, your Hummer is an absolute spaceship. Yeah, and that's the thing that has me currently in a chokehold with the car play thing. Yeah, it's a problem. So I'm not going to be able to outwit that thing, you think? No. Saving the world. He's got a mind of its own.

Saving the world. I saw one of those government committee things. Talking to a scientist about battery-operated cars. Boy, it was not good for the battery-operated cars. It truly wasn't. You didn't see it. What did they say, Tone? You didn't see it. They said that it just basically uses like three times the amount of resources as gas vehicles.

Yeah, of course. This sounds fake. Nope. This sounds like a narrative building. It's really canceling all of them. It's ruining the auto industry. Superconductors, though, they're going to help electric vehicles as well. That's happening.

I guess we found one. South Korea had this massive breakthrough with superconductors. Actually, I saw an equivalent, what they were equating it to yesterday. Some scientist was like, remember in Avatar where unobtainium was $30 million? Essentially, a superconductor can do what unobtainium was supposed to do in the movie. So we'd be able to just put it in one of those 3D printers and just all have one? Yep, stuff like that. The floating trains I mentioned, I assume electric vehicles.

You can probably charge them in an hour, things like that. I thought AJ was invested in that company that was going to make cars operate off humans' humans piss well yeah you remember you were talking about that'd be sweet i don't remember stay hydrated because you never know when you're gonna run out of gas yeah you remember you said that i drink it i mean i do pee a lot i don't know if that's enough volume to run a car anybody asking me if you drink your own urine still surprisingly no not in the last three or four days what's that all about i don't know i don't know maybe i'll hold a sign up or something ask other people hey you do you drink your piss and they're like absolutely not and i said oh i would drink mine i didn't mean to say it the way it came

out there like you know um i just wanted people to have to google who the all-time leading tackler right so that when they did that they saw aj oh Hall. Oh, my God. AJ Hall. Yeah, so I was just trying to figure out a way to get people to Google that to put you over. Right. You know what I mean? With how good of a football player you are. People forget that. Yeah, they do.

And it just so happened to be. Like, oh, I drink some piss every single day of the entire career. Like, I don't know why my brain works like that. Yeah, people don't ask because they know. That's whenever people thought I was lying. When I said every day. You know, I just took it's every day. That's whenever people thought I was lying when I said every day. You know, I just took it one step too far. Well, actually, you know, Segura, yeah.

I know you talked to him before you went on there. Segura texted me, do you really drink your own piss? And I just let it go for a day or so before I responded. So I told Tom, he's like, how are you ending the thing? You know? And I was like, oh, this is my favorite part. We're going to do like some real sentimental stuff. And then I'm going to end it with that AJ Hawk drinks his own piss pretty much. And he's like, he just started like laughing. And he was like, is there any reason?

No. This was kind of. That wasn't for me. That kind of just for us or whatever, you know. He was like, love it or whatever. You know, he, his brain is a special one, AJ. Oh, yeah. The text.

Yeah. The jokes he wanted me to kind of add in there, day of. If you ever listen or see any of the clips from the live streams that he and his wife put on, like, it is absolutely bizarre. They are fearless. That's for sure. I done had 10 people ask me, dude, AJ really drank his own piss. Good. I'm happy we're doing this. Carry for sure. I don't have 10 people ask me to do it. AJ really drank his own piss. Good, I'm happy we're doing this.

Carry it on. I'm happy they're doing it. Yeah, he does. Yeah, like patches a whole thing. Yeah. Sterile. I said I might start. I might have to just start doing it.

Yeah, live your gimmick, bro. The Rock said that. That's right. Live your gimmick, dude. Work myself. Into a shoot, brother. Shoot myself into work. Brother.

No, the opposite. Let's go to Tyler in Utah. Okay, is this guy disrespecting everything? Disgusting. What's going on? You're so disgusting. This guy drinks his piss as disrespecting. What's going on, Tyler in Utah?

What part of Utah, pal? I'm from Salt Lake City. Oh, hell yeah. I've heard it's a beautiful place. It's beautiful, yeah. We actually flew over to Austin and learned about all the mountain peaks that you're able to walk your dogs to. Oh, yeah yeah. I've heard it's a beautiful place. It's beautiful, yeah. We actually flew over top of it and learned about all the mountain peaks that you're able to walk your dogs to. Oh, yeah.

It's a beautiful place, I've heard. I'm a California native, so everyone only talks about the mountains here. Oh, okay. What part of California? Southern Cal. I'm a Charger fan, so. Hell yeah. Hang loose, bro.

I hope you enjoy Utah. What do you want to talk about, man? Just, you know, first of all, I love what you do. Keep it moving. Question for you is as you know, around half the league in the NFL, playoff teams are new teams each year. My question for you is which teams

do you think are going to make the playoffs this year and then what teams are they going to replace? Thank you, Tyler, for the question. That's actually not a bad segment we should put together for tomorrow. I think it's a good idea from Tyler. This is kind of a standard thing. Here's all the odds to win the division around there. Everybody knows in the AFC South, the Indianapolis Colts are going to make the playoffs this year.

Okay. They didn't last year. I don't know whose place they're going to take, but I know the Colts are definitely getting in there. Not a bad little project for us to do. Yeah, it was a good idea. It's pretty good, too. Just look at the Jets. Perfect example.

Who are they going to take the place of? Probably, if I had to guess, I don't want to say this, but probably that kid's team, the Chargers. Yeah, the Chargers. Yeah, see, in my head, I was trying to run through all the AFC teams that were in the playoffs last year, and it all came down to that Jacksonville Jaguars-Chargers game. And we all assumed that the Jacksonville Jaguars

are going to have another year of success. So then it would have to be the Chargers, but I don't think any of us are expecting the Chargers not to be great. So to go through who's not going to make the playoffs on the AFC side is going to be difficult because most teams are back. Yeah, and Finns were the seventh seed last year. They were the lowest seed. It was Finns, then the Ravens, and then the Chargers.

Not as much hype on the Finns this year as there was last year? I think the Jets have taken over a lot of the AFC. You talk about the whole thing with the Finns has been the same thing. If two is healthy, they'll be good. Also, Gumpy and the Dolphins are going to try to toxify the relationship between Dalvin Cook and the Jets. We're watching that happen.

Gumpy's like, I see them. I see these things. Yeah, Dalvin's talking bad about the Jets. That stinks, Gumpy says to the group. And then all of a sudden, he put that out. What was said has nothing to do with New York Jets and more so another team, which could bring tears. The guys at Pat McAfee's show don't miss ever,

says the guy who is training Dalvin Cook, who's the guy that Gumby found a deleted tweet from that said that if Jets fans heard what DC said today during a workout, they would be heartbroken. That's right. Now, trainer from South Florida. Gumpy, massive Dolphins fan. Right.

All of Miami is coming together to bring Dalvin Cook back to Miami. Yes. So the trainer, although probably got into some real shit with, I'd assume, Dalvin. Like, yeah, why'd you do that? Agent. Like, what are we? We're in the middle of.

The hell? But all of Miami's like. Well done. Smart man. Well done. You know what I mean? That's coming home. Because Gumpy's like, oh, I'm sorry I saw this.

Yeah. You know? Sorry we had to report about this. Gumpy actually got called out by the whole Dalvin Cook team. They're like, way to go, Gumpy. Thanks for this whole thing. What do you think with Dalvin before we get out of here? You think he ends up in Miami or the Jets? That Jets thing felt like a layup.

But now... It felt like he was being courted on a recruiting visit when he's watching the training camp practice in street clothes. He's not even in the team. You don't see that happen a lot. I don't know. I think Dolphins right now. i don't know why i don't have any any inside info pac-man how about you i think jay's connor yeah jets rogers took all that last money so they could have more money to spend places make a trade for devonta adams ty schmidt yeah potentially but yeah

i think it's the Jets. Cowboys. Cowboys. Cowboys are an option, I think. How about this? Indianapolis Colts. Well, I hate that. That's the one we know. They should be an option. Yeah, you're telling me. Well, he probably wants to win, though.

Yeah, I don't think he's going. That's what we're doing. Probably not going on a rental here. Fifth best odds to win the AFC last year. Everybody's talking about Jonathan Taylor 18 months ago. Let's go 18 months ago for the Colts. Fifth best odds to win the AFC last year. Everybody's talking about Jonathan Taylor 18 months ago. Let's go 18 months ago for the Colts. Fifth best odds to win the AFC. What is the worst odds this year? What is that supposed to mean? Shut up, AJ. We got a good team

is what it means. We got a good roster. Yeah, okay. Fifth best odds before last season to win the AFC. Yeah. I mean, alright. I guess that's where our standards are. I guess it's going to be tough sledding for us. That's not good. They might have the worst this year.

Hey, if we play well, we could be second or third in our own division. Is that what you're trying to say? Who are you talking about? What's this guy? That's what it feels like your standards are right now. Well, listen, right now I saw the guy throw one deep ball, and I was like, yeah, we're winning. That's where my standards are right now, okay?

Everybody needs to relax. It's the Texans, too. Thank you. It's not us. Holy shit, we are low, though. Oh, my. It looks like those three teams might have the same. Oh, my.

The Cardinals don't have a quarterback right now. Okay. Colt McCoy. Actually, no, Col Cardinals don't have a quarterback right now. Okay. Colt McCoy. Colt McCoy. Actually, no, Colt's the stuff. I like Colt. Apparently, there's a quarterback competition now in Tampa Bay as well. With Trask?

Yeah. Trask and Beck? That's starting to come out. Jeez. Well, Gardner Minshew is playing lights out football in Indianapolis, but Jim Irsay has come out and said, like, he needs to play. So I think Jim is probably going to be like, yeah, Anthony started in first game. But I do wonder, like, if they'll think about having Gardner, who knows Shane's offense

inside and out, a couple weeks, you know, kind of let it kind of unfold. Because if Gardner's playing as good as he's shown when I was there and in the highlights, it's like, might win some games while also kind of easing in the future of the whole organization. Plus $10,000, I'd sprinkle a little bit of that on them. You should. You know, it was, I forget what it was, plus $200,000. You won the Super Bowl?

I know. Oh, I thought it was. Yeah, it was plus $200,000 for Miz to win Tahoe or something like that. $250,000. Plus $250,000. That was a waste of money. Not going to happen. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. This one right here, though, why not that? $250,000. Plus $250,000. That was a waste of money. Not going to happen. Yeah. Right. Yeah. This one right here, though? Why not? Plus $10,000? Yeah. Yeah, if it was $100,000, I would. But $10,000 is all I got.

Why not? You never know. On any given Sunday. $100,000 to one of us. Anthony Richardson, Shane Steichen? Yeah. Love them all. All right. If I hit this.

If you hit this shot right here, I'll bet on the Colts. He'll put $100 on them. Put $10 or $5 or $1. Oh! Wow! Wow. Well, I guess anything can happen. So, congrats to us Colts fans.

We're winning the fucking Lombo. Holy shit. That's fun. I'm so happy. All right, let's get out of here. That's fun. What a great day. Wow.

Big shout out to Tony Mule and Mark the Bully. Big shout out to Dan Orlovsky, Adam Schefter. Florio. Mike Florio. Well, Mike Florio for taking the time. Kind of. AJ Hawk. What?

Kind of half-ass. Yeah, let's give him an update now. Kind of one of these right here. Give him a reminder for tomorrow. On Dan and Ninko, Ninkovich and Dan O'Neill, who owns a car dealership in New England, I believe. They have a podcast. Gronkowski was on there.

And we're big fans of Ninko. I do not know Dan's. Appears to have a great beard. Good guy. Love Gronk. They cut Ninko off, and that was tough. That was a good car. Yeah, whenever he was saying his goodbye.

Yeah. Yeah, that was tough. I mean. It was a really nice goodbye, too. We like Ninko. We love Ninko. Ninko went to Purdue up here, so I love Ninko. Love Ninko.

Gronkowski talked about Judon having to hold in, basically up there in New England. He's not having to hold out. He's having to hold in. And, like, they called it silly, weird, dumb. You should have heard that. They sounded like old-school football players about this hold-in thing where you're there, but you're not there.

You're like, no, I'm not doing this. I'm not participating. And then Gronk was like, has Bill lost control? Because it was either you're all in or you're all out. And they're certainly not all in if you're holding in or whatever, and it's still happening. I like that from Gronk. A little perspective.

How do you feel about it? I like it from Gronk, too, but he was just completely wrong because Judon's been practicing all week. But, hey, Gronk, keep diving down the path. I didn't know that was the case. How'd that happen? I don't know. As soon as we saw it, I actually said that.

Well, it was Danny Ninko, too. Yeah. Well, you know, Ninko. Maybe that was an old clip that we just saw. I think it was pretty recent. But, again, maybe it was just a big mishap. And no, Judon has been practicing. He was doing conditioning during the non-padded stuff off to the side.

So maybe they thought, oh, why isn't he doing all the football without pads? That doesn't matter. But hey, look, again, love Gronk, love Niko. What about Dan? What about Dan O'Brien? Love O'Brien. The O'Brien jingle? Are you kidding me?

Come on, he sells so many damn cars. What is it? Love O'Brien. The O'Brien jingle? Are you kidding me? Come on. He sells so many damn cars. What is it? We don't know. It's kind of like the Jon Bon Jovi, actually. Oh, O'Brien, O'Brien, O'Brien. Oh, I'm buying at O'Brien. Oh, I'm buying at O'Brien.

We want some cars. Oh, I'm buying that O'Brien. All right. Yeah, I think I have heard that. Judon not holding it now. He's playing. Oh, okay. Pack, great work today, bud. Thank you, Pack.

We got good bets for this All-Fame game. Are you giving it out on Hammerdown right now, or are we saving this for tomorrow for the program? I think we can actually profit off of this All-Fame game. Are you giving it out on a hammer down right now, or are we saving this for tomorrow for the program? Because I think we can actually profit off of this All-Fame game. I said it yesterday. Can we hold anything? Well, the news broke yesterday, like, as I believe we were racing. So the Browns were the favorite.

I thought Josh Dobbs was going to be starting. Josh Dobbs is a very good preseason quarterback. He actually almost got the Titans in the playoffs over the Jaguars last year. But then the news came out that Kellen Maughan was going to be the starting quarterback. Still in the league. Yeah. Florio said it like that. Zim hated that guy as a quarterback. And then DTR is going

to come in after him. But DTR can run around. Could be some things there. But you get Zach Wilson and then the absolute preseason goat in Stravolski. I hope Tim Boyle doesn't take a snap. Those two together. We feel pretty good about the Jets tomorrow. The line flipped. Yeah, I do. The line flipped when the

Maughan news came out because the Jets were plus two and a half. Now they're minus one and a half. I put it down on the Jets. We'll keep our eye on it for tomorrow. We might learn some more time. How long are people playing? Zach Wilson playing for the first quarter and then Schiaffolski's got the rest. That'd be awesome.

Or is he playing second and third and then somebody's playing the fourth? You know what I mean? What are they doing over there with Kellen Maughan and Dobbs? Because Dobbs is a guy, if he has a second half, I don't know. I'm not even going to... Dobbs isn't playing at all. Okay. Make the team. You're not wasting your time out here. Okay. Congrats to Dobbs. I'm hoping Tim Boyle

doesn't get a ton of snaps. Alright. Well, we will see you tomorrow. You'm hoping Tim Boyle doesn't get a ton of snaps. All right. Well, we will see you tomorrow. You all are the best. Thank you for allowing us to do this for a living and watching. You are the greatest humans on earth, and we will never be able to say thank you enough. Well said.

Now, some of you said some really terrible things. Yep. It happened. Still got him for a while. But I do appreciate it. But also I doned some of it. Yeah, don't have to do it all. But then I muted, and then it's not in my world anymore.

And then it's like, okay, good, we're back to it. But we appreciate the hell out of you. We're going to have an incredible fall. I can't wait to ride this journey together. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Goodbye.