The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 949 - Terrell Davis, Jimmy Graham, Bryson DeChambeau, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

On today's show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about everything happening around the NFL, the sports world, and the premiere of Hard Knocks tonight on HBO (and Max). Joining the show to chat about the Running Back situation as of late and what needs to be done to change it is Hall of Famer, 2x Super Bowl Champion, NFL MVP, Super Bowl MVP, and all around legend, former Broncos RB, Terrell Davis (28:58-57:58). Next, 5x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro, accomplished pilot and sailor, TE for the New Orleans Saints, Jimmy Graham joins the show to chat about being back in New Orleans, his thoughts on the team and what he's seen from Derek Carr so far, a little flying lesson, unfinished business, and much more (1:00:34-1:37:28). Later, 1X major champion, fresh off a 58 and victory at LIV Greenbriar, Bryson DeChambeau joins the show to chat about his incredible weekend, the LIV/PGA Tour drama and where it stands now from where it was when it first started, where it is going, the Ryder Cup, and much much more (1:37:30-2:04:29). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Hard Knocks Tuesday, August 8th, 2023. This sports program starts right now. Football! It's happening. Shout out to Pac-Man Jones, who is in studio. 14-year NFL corner is here. Great to see you, Pac. Pac will be giving us his top five corners in the NFL throughout the day at some point. Now, we had it blocked in for the A, C, D, E block. Sure, sure. But there's a chance it comes in the first hour, second hour, or the third hour.

Cannot wait for it because, obviously, 14 years in the NFL, very, very good corner. Your words are going to ring a lot heavier than if we were to do it. Cannot wait to see who he thinks is the top five. Yeah. Got a little early peek at it. I saw a couple names missing. Whoa. Saw a couple names missing.

Might be some shit to stir afterwards. Pac-Man's top five would be fantastic. The toxic table is here at Boston Connery, Conner's Mullet, and at Ty Schmidt wearing a sweet hat, dude. Yeah, I had to. You know, we got a nice little care package yesterday from Unreal Golf and Thielen, and i'm not one to just shill immediately but i i laid out you certainly are you certainly are absolutely there's a haps a hat sent into this all oh yeah it is on your tiny big brained head literally the next day on the program john dear yeah that's right they sent you what a hat and a hanky yeah pretty much And said thank you Long sleeve t-shirt

That's different though You put that thing on That's different Some hockey team I think sent Not the Vegas Golden Knights I think it was the Thrashers The Thrashers

Sent you a hat We're fucking rocking that The next day Pickleball hats Pickleball hat Next day I think everybody in the office Know to let Ty

Pick the hats Ty or not Let Ty pick the hats Before anybody else Yeah great You're a hat wearer. I love wearing hats, you know, and it was kind of a hectic morning this morning. I didn't comb my hair after I got out of the shower.

My hair looked like shit. So I said, okay, I wasn't planning on doing this, but this is a great design. It's a very comfortable hat, and I'm not usually a rope hat guy. I don't usually like these, but I saw it. I said, what the hell? I'm going to throw it on. The rope hat is like a Southern thing, it feels like. I believe so.

I thought it was like a throwback almost. I thought that was an old thing to do, and then it's coming back. It was definitely an old thing. Yeah, these ropes are small. That's the only thing. Which is why I don't mind. So it's not a Southern thing? I mean, it could be.

I think it is, too. I mean, come college football season, every Saturday, you're going to see so many frat kids wearing hats with the rope on them. You just don't. Well, this show. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, this show. Obviously, we don't need you feeding the image.

Just another ridiculous South with ropes. Why can't anybody else have it? You're ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous, obviously. South had quite a scene this past weekend in Alabama. They did. You know what I like about our society? What's that?

Everybody looked at that and was just like, that's good classic entertainment, baby. That's good internet, baby. Right side, seemingly won in the proper fashion. There's a couple chair shots in there. Stories are being told forever about this weekend. And then you think about what Black Twitter did to that video. I don't told forever about this weekend. And then you think about what Black Twitter did to that video.

I mean, it was one of the greatest. I don't want to carry this all. I mean, we might be talking about this for the next few months. What a fucking incredible piece of internet. So good. And obviously there are some follow-up videos allegedly taking place from the losing side. We do not know

if that's real or if that's not. But I cannot wait for the post-fight interviews. Chair guy wants to get out of jail 20, 30 years because he's going to get attempted with a weapon. That's going to happen. We will hope that a judge and jury will be able to figure that whole thing out. Hopefully we'll be able to

hear from all the participants in a much better fashion. But that post-fight press conference, the first one that happens, I'm excited to hear that team. I'm excited to hear both teams talk about it. Maybe we set it up like a fight, like they're on one side of like a – I like that. Yeah, like a reunion. And on the other side –

For the show. Yeah, we have that guy from Watch What Happens Live, Cohen, hosting that thing. Yeah, Andy. Right in the middle kind of doing it. We need this to be something that kind of goes forever. Because although it seemed in the video that the world was split more than it's ever been, that looked like you were looking at something from way back in the day.

Now, I'm not saying that racists don't exist anymore, but I do believe there is less of them. I hope, at least I think we all do. You're watching that fight. It is literally, okay, we got the white people here versus the black. Colorblind people knew who was on what team. Yes, they did. Okay, and that's literally what it was. It was like, damn, this is like we're taking a step back in time.

But what I saw on the internet was like, no, no, no, no. We're all on the same page. Yeah, bringing everybody together. And apparently that kid is actually, that was real. That was one of the kids who was in the fight, yeah. And then we saw this morning, talking about bringing people together, you know, Black Twitter has claimed Not In This Small Town by Jason Aldean as their song now.

Saw that multiple times. Black Twitter is going crazy. And the biggest story I think out of the whole Black Twitter is when you see a black man jump into water and swim to a fight, it's a problem. I'll tell you what. A lot of these teams in training camp right now, a lot of coaches are trying to bottle up camaraderie, bottle up chemistry. And they'll show videos and movies.

Remember the Titans get shown a lot of that. Back in the day, other videos get shown about, hey, coming together, we got to be one here. Big team, little me. They need to start showing that video and say, look at how these strangers came together for each other. Okay. This guy, first of all, my shirt's drenched.

I'm not going to be wearing the fucker. Hold on. Take my shoes off. The hat toss. So good. So many different angles, too. Every angle you could ask for. The memes of the hat toss were also just top tier.

I love the fact that the guy who got the hat tossed in his face had no idea that in a matter of moments, he was going to have a chair hitting him right in the forehead multiple times. Now the chairman,

you know the chairman of the whole thing, he went into a zone a little. You know what I mean? Sometimes people go on the field or go into a basketball court and it's just like everything's falling. Chairman got into a zone a little. You know what I mean? Sometimes people go on the field or go into a basketball court and it's just like everything's falling. Chairman got into a zone. He was swinging head shot, head shot, head shot. Now he's hunting.

Yep. Right? Who wants some? That's scary. And he goes, you know, and there's a cop right here. He hits his lady who's sitting down. Now, that's going to be the one that gets him. Yeah, that's a problem.

That's going to be the one that's going to get him, I do believe. And we appreciate what he has given us and shouldn't hit. Obviously, we do not believe that males and women should be fighting at all, ever, never. But he swings that chair, hits that lady in the head. It's like, oh, that's tough. And then he's about to swing again, and the cop's like, yo. He's like, and you see him snap out of it. He's like, oh, that's tough. And then he's about to swing again, and the cop's like, yo! He's like, and you see him snap out of it. Oh, no.

What did I do? And then he almost just was like, all right. Take me away. That was fun. Never going to see my family again. Good scrap. Good scrap. So we appreciate his sacrifice.

Obviously don't think he should have hit that woman in the head with the chair. But that guy that was coming off the boat, he certainly deserved a pop or two right to the floor. And he got him. Sounds like from the reaction of the one guy in the fight, the whites understood what happened too. Yeah, we got God out there. A little too much. We signed up for something.

We did not know that there was troops in the back. No. We did not know. Once again, that's a great depiction of coming together. That's right. That's a great depiction of what every NFL team is great depiction of coming together. That's right. That's a great depiction of what every NFL team is trying to do right now. That's right. Trying to get each other's back no matter what.

Hey, you're making a bad decision, but more your team. So fuck it. I appreciate that. That's what NFL teams are trying to do, and that's why that boat video needs to be discussed as these teams are being built in training camp. Absolutely. Everything out of every training camp sounds a bit too positive yeah yeah some of them one half

of the hammer down cowboys turn digs his ear tone everything i'm hearing out of every camp is good right what are you hearing negative dak prescott with picks i guess that's the only thing with picks i guess the i don't know if you could i guess you could take it positive or negative the quarterback situation down in tampa that's probably positive or negative, the quarterback situation down in Tampa. That's probably the other. That's negative. But the thing still on the show there is that it's 145 degrees. Well, it's boiling.

It is actually 110 or something. 15, yeah. Pre-humidity. Right. So that's like you add humidity and you're 125. I guess the Buccaneers are practicing inside right now. Trying to survive. But they host a preseason game against the Pittsburgh Steelers

here in a couple days. It's going to be so hot down there. So I'm not going to say that that is affecting. We let Mason take that one. Bro, 110 degrees right there. 112 in Venice. Yeah. Absurdly hot. With 100%

humidity. Yeah. Yeah. So it really is 120. Yeah, it's hot. Oh, it's, yeah. I was just in Miami. It's really hot. Yeah, you were like, yes. Even the water is hot. Like, we got out the water because we couldn't even sit in the water. It's like a hot tub? I feel like you're working out. It was hot in the hot tub. It's like in the 90s in most

places in Florida, the water. I was at Fountain Blue. It was hot, hot, like. Oh, you're so cool. Fountain Blue. They could have warmed up the pool. Did you see Ian Oh, so the pool was a cold tub. No, the pool was like a hot tub. Everything's hot. Yeah, even the water is hot.

Got it, got it, got it. Did you see Ian Rapp down there in fountain blue? No, I didn't get to see it. How about Tom Brady's ex? No, I didn't see Tom Brady. She was allegedly dating, remember, the guy that owns it. That's right. Jiu-Jitsu.

Same Jake, Logan. No. Jake and Logan, right? Yep. Did you go talk to him? 2 Chain, yep. Titty Boy? Titty Boy was okay. Jake told me to tell you what's up. Who is Titty? Jake. Paul? Logan. No. Jake and Logan? Yep. You going to talk to him? 2 Chainz, yep. Titty Boy? Titty Boy was okay.

Jake told me to tell you what's up. Who is Titty? Jake. Paul? Yep. Nice. I almost said hello. Logan didn't say it?

Yeah, Logan did say it too. Okay. Okay. I was just wondering. I thought it would be nice to practice. Logan looked like he had just got his ass whooped. Yeah, he did. He cheated.

He cheated. I need a brass knuckle. He needs brass knuckles. He's got a brass knuckle. So you just went down there and just go to Fountain Blue on a Monday? Yeah, I went to Poppy's. Get something to eat. Had a business meeting.

Okay, of course. I love the way you live your life. And also, for those that are keeping track at home, Pac-Man Jr. is five years old, not even in kindergarten yet. Had ten touchdowns this weekend. Yeah. Ten fucking touchdowns in tackle football. Yes.

Helmet bigger than the rest of his body. Shaking little kids. Ten touchdowns. Here he is. Here he is. Baby D hands Pac-Man Jr. the ball. He gets the outside. He's off to the races and nobody's catching the son of Adam Jones. That's one dud.

Here comes another one. Ball on the inside. Don't love that. Gets through a tackler. Gets through another one. Sheds a first grad inside. Don't love that. Gets through a tackler. Gets through another one. Sheds a first grader. Man's in kindergarten. Gets to the end zone. Tutty. No celebration.

Hands ball back to the ref. Okay. Big move. Stiff arm. Teaching toughness. Now, Pac-Man, I'm going to ask you this question with a straight face, even though I assume your answer is not going to be of that. This is Ohio?

Yeah. Ohio and Kentucky. So they were worried about, look at that cut. Damn. Jeez Louise. These kids got no shot. Seeing the field well. These kids got no shot.

Shout out to Chase getting down in there on her center, by the way. See ya. Oh. Oh. Can't let one guy bring you down. Is this a beast quake? Pack quake? Carry him?

Wow. That's bullshit. Pac-Man's been working on it. Pac-Man Jr. has been working on hills. Oh Can't let one guy Is this a beast quake? Pack quake? Carry him? Wow That's bullshit Pac-Man's been working Pac-Man Jr.'s been working on heels So he carries it in the right hand He's comfortable there Let's not worry about that You see Rico

That's a big time shot Rico Suave The left guard Is just blocking his ass off Alright well congrats to Pac-Man Jr. Let's keep it going Go Pac Did you have any fear at all

Of him playing tackle football At the age of five? No I didn't Okay No Just saying That's when it starts Yeah Your zone Did you have any fear at all of him playing tackle football at the age of five? No, I didn't. Okay. No. Just saying. That's when it starts.

Yeah. Your zone in Atlanta? Yeah. Did you guys have Oklahoma drills in the buildings? Yes. Okay, so I've heard about this. In Plum, we did not have this. We did play tackle football.

I didn't have Oklahoma drills. No. I mean, not set up like this. We didn't have pads. On your back. That guy's on his back up like this. We didn't have pads. You're on your back. That guy's on his back. They put pads on his back. In an alley, right? Yeah, we did.

This guy got the ball. You can't run outside the line. You got to run. In practice? No. No. Same. At the house.

Oh, no, no. This is on like a Tuesday at 1 o'clock. At a little board school. Entire neighborhood comes. The whole entire neighborhood. I like that. And we're like almost betting, it seems like. I haven't been in one of these spectacles,

but from what I've been told, a couple of my friends made a lot of money for a lot of people, and they ended up in the NFL, and they were still using the techniques they learned in between apartment buildings. Smart. Oklahoma drills at like eight years old. That was like a very standard operating thing.

So then when I'm hearing those stories, and I'm hearing people talk about how parents can pull kids out of football because they're – I'm like, I don't think so. I don't think that is going to be the case. That was just standard operating procedure, I think, in some neighborhoods. Yeah, and you've got to realize in the inner city, like, the first thing you've got to have tough and grit. Everything else will come along with it. Like, you can't be a heart. else will come along with it like you you can't be a heart so that was a drill that every kid in the projects or any inner city that played it in the inner inner city program you do that drill

because you don't want kids to be scared and if you learn how to do that you're pretty good you could be pretty good and it's just like how going to the Rutgers and they have kids playing one-on-one and they betting in the inner city inner city, this is a big betting jewel. I've seen kids go home with $400 or $500 and the guy that's betting on them going home with $10,000. Damn. Yeah, and that's a Tuesday. That sounds fun. The thing about it is, though, and I don't want to speak

out of pocket here, but I feel like I have enough friends from the projects and from different neighborhoods all over the place, from Compton to Atlanta, from Zone 3 to Zone 6 down there. I mean, I feel like I've been very fortunate to meet a lot of people from a lot of different backgrounds. The mindset is we're either making it in sports or music, right? That's it.

Now, we hope we all get to a stage in our society where public education everywhere is worthy of dreams being real, of like, I'm going to go be a lawyer. I'm going to go be a doctor. I'm going to go do this. But it'm going to go be a doctor. I'm going to go do this. But it is what it is in a lot of situations. And it's like whenever the war on football was happening, I think it was tough for a lot of us to believe like,

there ain't no war on football for people that are struggling to have a fucking meal every single day. Football is an avenue for success to change the trajectory of your entire family, of your entire neighborhood. I don't know if that's ever going to change. and i think that kind of got missed in the conversation about it all but i love that you're five-year-olds out there scoring 10 touchdowns awesome and i like that he's just giving the ball back to the ref after the touchdowns oh you do see i'd like to see a little maybe like a prime dance out of patty young jr maybe even do some sort of you know dab or gritty whatever the kids you remember remember that little white that was a baseball player that had

the music, his walk-up music? Oh, yeah, yeah. He was like dancing. And then he hit a ball. I love that, too. Whatever is you, do it. But I like the fact that Pac-Man is seeing me.

Pac-Man Jr. is all business. It's not me. It's not his forte. I like to enjoy it. You know, he does talk trash. He gets crunk when he makes good plays. He's talking trash to these first graders? He's used to scoring touchdowns. So, like, he knows he posts the scoring touchdowns. So, it's like, all right, here.

Can I get it again, Dad? Or do I have to give this? You got to give this to somebody else. Baby, do you got to give the ball or what? I mean, I feel like we can really win this thing. He would just hand me the 15, 20 times a day. I respect that. And the thing I do love the most is when Baby Gronk and his dad were popping off,

Pac's first reaction was, got to get Junior out there with Baby Gronk. I'm like, well, I think he's like 10 years older. Doesn't matter. Yeah. We'll see. But it's interesting to kind of watch the development and the growth. You're an incredible leader of all those kids over there. You should feel very proud of yourself.

You're investing time, which isn't easy, and you're making everything work while still being able to do business at the Fountain Blue. You should be proud of yourself. And Tish. Tish kicking a lot of ash too. I mean, not to throw any bad juju on this, but running backs can't get paid.

I don't know why he's in that wide receiver. He's the best athlete on the field. He's playing everything. You've got to realize now, at this age, getting the ball quick, we're not really throwing the ball at four and five-year-olds. As you see, I got him at the slot. He's coming in reverses. He's at running back.

He's at quarterback. The whole thing about now, you've got to get the balls in the best player's hands. That's football, baby. Yeah, I suppose. Next year, you know, he's at safety right now. The reason why he's not at corner because nobody's passing the ball. I see a lot of shock. He's in the middle of the field coming down, finding the ball.

That way nobody can score a touchdown. But he'll get there. Okay. Maybe we'll put him D-line. Yeah, D-line. That'd be sweet. I got some big boys that's already up there D-line, and they are just monsters.

This kid, Adam, I have. He'll be one of them. What's the name of the team? His name, Hilltop. Hilltop Savages. Okay. Well, good luck, Nantucket. Let's go.

Good luck to everybody that runs into the Savages, too. I mean, those dudes are playing for keeps. Yeah, they are. These ain't no games now. Let's get back to the NFL that Pac-Man Jr. will be in at some point. We can't wait to watch it, and I assume many others. They're on that tape right there. All news is good news

coming out of training camp, seemingly. We have three preseason games this year. I learned this morning from talking to a coach that the AFC has the ninth home game this year during the regular season. Remember, it's split. There's an inter-conference game. This year, the AFC teams are getting the

home game. They're only getting one home preseason game. So that, I assume, will be flipped every single season. That was something I did not know until I was talking to old cuzzy there. Oh, I did. But they're also talking about how some of these preseason snaps are going to be pretty meaningful. Yeah. Like there's some new offenses that are being put into place

where they're going to want to get a little bit of a grasp of what's happening. I think we're in for some okay preseason football coming up here in the next few weeks. I think so, too. Yeah, there's a lot of new offenses. There's a lot of battles. Like Thursday night, I mean, Stroud's going to go, and he'll start. And then I assume Mack's going to go if it's the first year back with Billy.

Oh, like I would assume. New offenses everywhere. Everywhere. Yes. Which is why in preseason you might see more Hall of Fame game. That don't count. It is what it is. 6.3 million people watch that so us calling for that to not happen

anymore is never going to be the case. 6.3 million people. Roger Goodell hears a clip of us saying this Hall of Fame game is trash. Couldn't even keep the lights on. They don't even have water. Why are we even put in this situation? These guys aren't even NFL guys. This isn't even NFL football. We're honoring

our greats by playing this terrible football game. Let's do something else that kicks off Hall of Fame weekend. We can still get people there. You know, let's get rid of the game. And Roger Goodell goes, you're in a minority, pal. I'm like, why is that? 6.3 million people watch that fucking

Hall of Fame game. That's more than any games that are happening that actually matter in any other league. Championship games. All the finals of every other sport. It outdrew them. It's crazy. Think about how confident these... So people wonder why Jim Irsay is coming out as the oldest owner in the NFL and being like, these running backs need to relax.

You know what? This guy needs to get out of the league. That, this, we need to do this. It's our league. He's saying, they're killing everybody. The NFL is killing everybody. And they know it. And I assume this is going to be an easy transition into 18 games with another bye week.

So then it's a 20-week season. And players are pissed that I'm even mentioning that publicly right now. But it's already getting set up after the last preseason game. Like, for instance, there's a couple teams playing on Thursday the last week. They have 17 days until their regular season begins. Two and a half weeks is what they have from the last preseason game to the start of the season. So the NFL is already going to say, we already have room for at least one game.

A lot of time. And if we need to add a bye week, right, another bye week, we can open that. And then they have 20 weeks worth of primetime games to sell? Man. Oh, my God. I think the NFL, and this is going to sound so absurd, I think they're only getting started. Oh, 100%. I think it's only getting started about the money it's about to draw, let alone

what they're going to do in Europe with all these streaming platforms. And if you add two more weeks of football, who knows, maybe Apple, who said we're only going to go all in. Will they do that with the NFL, though, that's getting 6.3 million viewers on a piece-of-shit football game? I assume they would add into it a little bit. The NFL is sitting

in a beautiful place, and I think for us as massive fans it's good news but also i think it's setting up for our preseason to potentially be over the next few weeks pretty good yeah yeah for sure and i think uh i want to say it was the broncos who already said same deal like russ and the starters are going to be playing quite a bit who didn't play they didn't play at all yeah exactly they didn't play at all last year i know like the packers like jordan love is absolutely going to be out there so like i think you're right. I think at least in maybe half the games, we're going to get a lot of ones playing.

First quarter. Maybe even a whole quarter. I mean, because typically if it's like you get excited for it, yeah, you get one series or two series. Or if they do a first series and they score, it's like, all right, good enough. He's done for the rest of the night. But that at least, you know, it's like, hey, I'll definitely invest a quarter's worth of time to watch what feels like an

actual Sunday football game. And you got to remember there for a bit, it was, you know, it's not just preseason game. It's preseason run through of the warmup, arriving to the stadium. So, like, some guys would do their first drive, and it was basically like, hey, we just want to kind of go through a warmup, full warmup, get to the stadium, full pregame, do a kickoff, do your first series, and then you guys are done.

It's not even for like what happens on the field. It's like, hey, let's get back into – Game mode. Yeah, bingo. Like we're doing that. And I don't know how many teams did that. Teams that I was on did do that. I assume it is a normal thing.

But this year it doesn't feel just like that. It feels like – I mean, we just ran – we just said two new teams that have first offense. You about jordan love it's like laflore still there but that's a brand new offense you think about denver broncos there that's a brand new offense and sean payton is on the record saying everything they did last year we're doing the opposite exactly so last year they didn't play they're going to play this year now he took that back obviously he said he said that with a fox hat on and everything like that there's you think about the ravens you think about up there in new like that. You think about the Ravens.

You think about up there in New England. You think about Houston. You think you're in Indianapolis. Carolina. Carolina. The Jets. I mean, I went through and it was easier to go, what teams aren't going to be good preseason watches?

Probably. The Bengals because Burrow's out, so they're not going to. Chiefs. Chargers never play anybody. Eagles and Bills, maybe. Ravens, probably. No, but with Mon and Bills, maybe? Ravens, probably. No, but with Monken's new offense and the Ravens. Ravens have covered like 23 straight, I believe.

Yeah, I think Ravens play because, you know, Lamar ain't played in what, how many months? It's a lot. And it's a brand new offense. I think the brand new offense. I've got four teams that are comfortable. San Francisco, Bengals. But even then, you're still going to get Darnold and Trey Lance.

Yeah. They'll still be a good watch. People are still going to want to see what Trey Lance is doing in the preseason. These preseason numbers, if the Hall of Fame game was 6.3, some of these preseason games are going to be absurd. Yeah, I think the Thursday night one of Patriots-Texans is going to be massive. Because for sure, Mac Jones and those starters are going to play the first quarter. But Ohio State too. And Ohio State with C.J. Stroud.

And Bama with Will Anderson. Those are big audiences. D'Amico, you've got to assume. Houston's what? The fourth largest city in America? Yep. Whenever it comes to people, people forget about that. Yeah. Completely forget about Houston being so huge. Massive. Huge. Bro, driving from one side to the other

is like three hours. Yeah. Hey, we've been driving for two hours. Where are we? Houston. We haven't been to the stadium yet. No, we started in Houston. We're still in Houston? Still in Houston.

Oh, yeah. Actually got another. You see those mountains? Yeah. About another hour. We got Houston. It is a huge area. Massive.

A lot of humans in there. A lot of humans in there. And it feels like there's a little bit of buzz. I saw a highlight yesterday on the internet of C.J. Stroud. C.J. Stroud is, hey. He's firing it. They have some young receivers, too, that are exciting to watch. Yeah, Mechie, the kid from Bama who was out all last year because he was sick.

The only good guy on Iowa State's entire offense last year and wasn't betting on games. Their wide receiver was really good. They have Tank Dell, I believe, from Houston. They have good – they took these wide receivers in college who were, like, were big-time, like, numbers guys, performers, but were on, like, teams that you don't know them as much. I'm excited to see those dudes too.

I've been watching CJ highlights there. He looks the part. Remember, we got a chance to be on the sideline there for him playing against Georgia. Yeah. And the conversation was like, this guy doesn't use his athleticism. How's his leadership? You know, like, all this type of stuff.

They're trying to knock everything about everybody because there's, you know, billions of dollars on the line in the NFL. But whenever they were talking about it, you watch this guy play, though. I mean, he's big. He moves. And he's got a high. Yeah. He throws darts.

I mean, that is. Yeah, accurate. That's what everybody talks about him. And our first takeaway on Sunday after watching him in that Georgia-Ohio State game in the college football playoff from the sideline was like, that's a Sunday. That right there is a Sunday guy. Yeah. And then all of a sudden the conversation started talking about his Q2 or whatever,

all this other stuff, and Houston's like, still our guy. I don't care. What if he becomes? Oh, he could. And that's like the NFL conversation with it going up and to the right. It's like the talent now is really good. Not even including the rookies, but if Bryce Young and Stroud come in and they're both studs,

then all of a sudden there are actually 15 Richardson. And D'Amico. D'Amico is the player coach, bro. He got a lot of guys that's played football that's coaching now. I even seen J. Joe on the sideline the other day. I called him at the prayer. I'm like, man, what is the vibe there? Who's this? Jonathan Joseph, who

played with me. Oh, yeah. He actually played with the Texans. I thought you were calling J.J. Watt J. Joe. No, J. Joe. That's on me. I thought it was like... Four different people I came to my mind. I had no idea. He's there coaching the corners. He just said it's a good vibe. When you got a good vibe and you got some younger

guys that's believing in the system and you don't have too many older guys that's going against the new things, I think it can turn out pretty good. So that is fascinating to hear because there is – I spoke with a couple front office members from around the league. Is this front office members or is this not JPA football front office members? Okay. So you guys are still hating on the next wave of metal Twitter?

100%. Sounds like. I don't know who JPA or ML or NFL Rookie Watch are talking to. Okay. I don't know if they're talking. I don't know. Okay. Exactly.

It's in quotes. I know their tweets are awesome, though. Yeah. Okay. I appreciate them. You guys hating a bit. Foxy, what's their deal? I don't know.

I love those accounts. They don't like this next generation having their time, huh? Yeah, no, they hate it. Oh, big 3D corporate smackdown. Nothing to do with that. Nothing to do with that. This has nothing to do with Mickey Mouse, okay? This solely has to do with the fact that everything that I see from them,

even though I would love to believe all of it, you can't believe any of it. So what some of these sources that I've talked to, actual sources, not just sources, not just reported, or been reported by other sources, and I'm hearing it, is that with these new systems that are in play on offense and defense, there are some people that are a little bit hesitant to bring in old dog who has old dog tendencies instead of getting somebody young that can be taught new tricks new tendencies because the system does itself almost like that makes sense hey we need the system to be run like this Aaron talks about that uh Rodgers yeah yeah because LaFleur's bingo right so like Aaron is a great depiction of that

like LaFleur's offense isn't like a West Coast, we're doing this because of this, we're checking to this, we're doing, we're changing this. It is a, hey, this is it, we're looking here, then we're looking here. A lot of motion. Shanahan, pretty much. Yeah. It's meant to, like, plug and play almost. Artie Smith as well.

I mean, same types of offenses that have a lot of success run game, which is why I think because Aaron was there, they didn't want to utilize the run game as much because you have a four-time MVP, the best football thrower of all time. So LeFleur is probably pretty excited that it's just like the offense is going to run how it's going to run. Even though if you have Aaron Rodgers, you should probably think about

maybe, hey, we should probably run a thing that utilizes one of the best brains in football. But also being able to break down things. Because these new offenses, it's not like you have to know. It's just like, hey, if this person does this, you're doing this. If that person drops there, you're going there. It's like much quicker football.

It's built for the next generation of college football, kind of how that's taking place. So I think personally, and I don't know football as well as others, obviously, I think LeFleur probably should have had a system that, you know, place so i think personally and i don't know football as well as others obviously i think the floor probably should have had a system that you know took advantage of aaron's greatness as opposed to like hey aaron do the system that does this but now that he has jordan it's like hey he's been in the system right he should knows it should operate exactly that's happened on defensive side as well yeah people are thinking on defense side of the ball it's like safeties corners with the different coverages that are

now happening with like bend but don't break type stuff there's some old dogs who come in and they're like very aggressive and it's like don't need that so we're just going to get a young guy that we don't have to pay a lot of money and hopefully don't have to break any habits it's an interesting time right now for how the system is seemingly becoming much more important than necessarily the superstar talent of a player. It's like if the superstar talent can fit in the system, great. Perfect. But from my conversations, there's people that are much more worried about finding the pieces to the system than finding superstar players. Joining us now is a man that would have fit in any system.

That's right. Yeah. This dude's lovely bald head has waltzed its way not only into the Hall of Fame, but multiple Super Bowl championships. And now he has a company that has a drink that has numerous different options called Defy. There's a recovery drink that has CBD in it. Recovery, I believe it is an immune system booster. Hydration one for rapid rehydration. Called Defy. d-e-f-y is the drink and it hopefully will have as much success as this man had in the nfl and in life ladies and gentlemen terrell davis

td what's up dude what's going on pat how you doing hey how you doing today hey we are great you every time you join us uh you make us feel better. That big fucking smile, dude. Unbelievable. You know what I mean? That big smile. We think about you doing the bald head is fresh. Hey, super clean. I just cut that this morning, so nice and fresh.

We appreciate it. Do you do the same one for the face as you do for the head? No, I can't. I have to use the head. I can use a razor, but for the face. I have to use... The head, I can use a razor, but for the face, I have to use one of those little... It's an electric razor, but

it doesn't cut really close because if it cuts too close, that's a problem. I can't use a razor on my face. I can only use a little trimmer. Oh, gotcha. A little Phillips trimmer, yeah. Do you use the same?

So now, you know, do you use this? Never mind. We're not that close. That goes everywhere. That little Phillips thing, it goes everywhere, man. Oh, okay. That is an all-terrain vehicle.

It goes all-terrain. Yeah, we love that. Absolutely love it. Now, are you completely bald? Are you, you got the round? What is the natural build? is an all-terrain vehicle that's right okay yeah all terrain yeah we love that absolutely now are you completely bald are you you got the round what is the natural build i have the uh i have the horseshoe i have the horseshoe i could uh if i grow it you know this the top won't grow but the sides will grow in and i've been shaving my head so long that you know when it when i even see a little bit of it i try to shave it but yeah i can grow a little bit more man uh they got some stuff now you can actually what you take it and

plug some hair in there if you wanted to but i want to do the opposite i want to go ahead and get it all off i want to i don't want to shave again i want to be able to just have where i wake up and it's just like no maintenance at all you gotta do that laser treatment you gotta do like seven of those things they just burn your scalp scalp. I've seen the videos online. You walk in there and they just go, and they burn your head. And they're like, all right, you got to come back for the next eight weeks. He ain't got no problem. He got all hair now.

He got the hair? Yeah. So that's from the hair lacquer. Hair Jordan. He got more hair than me. Really? Yeah. I did not know that.

Hey, he's looking good with the chain. Anyways, let's move along. We were just talking about systems almost being more of a priority than superstar talent and how some people are scared if they bring in an older player that their tendencies or habits already won't necessarily fill into the system. Now, it's on offense and on defense. Let's talk about the offensive side of the ball because obviously you're a Hall of Fame running back.

With some of these running systems that you're seeing in the NFL today, how do you think you would fare, and how much did, you know, old man Shanahan kind of have the effect on this entire NFL right now? Well, yeah, you look around the league, and everything sort of stems from Mike Shanahan's offense and his philosophy system, if you want to call it. But, like, for me, I believe in systems because it's sustainable.

And you can bring people in. You kind of teach them how things are. It's almost like college systems, right? If you go to back in the day, if you went to Nebraska, you knew you were going to run a ball a ton of times. I don't care who comes out of Nebraska. You're going to have 1,000 yards rushing. You know, if you come out of Nebraska. You're going to have a thousand yards rushing. You know,

if you come out of Penn state, typically it's what linebackers come out of Penn state. But I think systems just allow you to have a baseline and you're not player dependent. And so if a player goes down, now you have to scrap everything and try to teach people what that really unique player can do. And that's difficult,

you know? So if you're teaching a really good system and guys are coming in and you're able to just hone in on the, those philosophies and the mentality and you know how it is, just the things that you work on. And now you have me and guys who like when I was there, I helped develop the system because we had brought it in my second year in Denver. And so by the time you had guys like Mike Anderson come in, who, you know, I was able to help Mike out.

Also, just like obviously Bob T, our running backs coach, is a really good coach. And then Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak. And we would just, we just, it was a religion in Denver, running the football. So we ran it constantly. Like receivers had to be a part of the running game. Quarterbacks had to be a part of the run game. Quarterbacks had to be a part of the run game. We did it all the time. So by the time we got into game mode or

during the season, man, and then a few years in that offense, it just became a well-oiled machine. Offensive linemen we had, they weren't big guys, but they were all very quick and agile, and you had to have that offense. We maxed out that offense, man.

We, we made it look, you know, the way it was supposed to look and we did that for a number of years. Yeah. And you're like the perfect depiction of like superstar talent in a system and creating the system. So six years, seven years into that thing, it's like, you know, it like the back of your hand, exactly where everybody else is supposed to go. That's a beautiful marriage. It's like, can years into that thing, it's like, you know it, like the back of your hand, exactly where everybody else is supposed to go. That's a beautiful marriage. It's like, can teams figure that out?

I guess that's what everybody's trying to do. Like, do you think that because everything's becoming system-based that we're going to lose some football IQ, do you think? Or do you feel like it all kind of goes hand in hand? I think, you know, even with when you say system. Like, hey,d tom brady said the game's like easy yeah like uh simple simple he was like the quarterbacks don't have to be like super geniuses anymore he tom brady was talking about the level of football yes in a negative

fashion and then aaron talking about the la flora offense he's right he was like this thing is so you don't even have to have a brain, really. Yeah, a baboon could operate it. He's exactly – like, you don't even have to do that. Do you think that affects it? A little bit, but you're always going to have people who either put their personal spin on it or they can play beyond the offense or system.

And that system will cater to – So, even Ben and Denver, right, for the first year, I had certain cues that I had to do. And Alex Gibbs, our offensive line coach, said, hey, here's where this ball is supposed to go. And that's where it had to go. Even if I saw something on the backside, I couldn't make that cut. But after he started to trust me and recognize that, wait a minute, that I had certain skills that I had to use in that offense. And I said, listen, and his whole philosophy with me was I want my four yards.

As long as you give me four yards, I don't give a damn where you go with the ball. Hey, better work. You're going to go off script. Better work, though. So quarterbacks are the same way. A quarterback comes to a system. I'm coaching now, and we implement a system. And so the kids come in, and I say, here's where your reads are.

You got one, you got two. Now, if this kid plays beyond that, and I can see that he's better than a one-two read quarterback, then go ahead. So you start off with a system, but you can always expand to individualize an offense or a defense based off who's doing it. And to me, that's nothing new. They've always been doing it so and that's to me that's nothing new they've always

been doing that's always that feels like offense or defense is strategy a playbook just a little bit different a little bit easier at the beginning hopefully you know coaches have enough um self awareness to not let their ego or pride get in the way of like telling you no you can't cut back you know what i mean that's when that's when but that's a good that's a good point because they don't want to take the credit. So they don't want you to shine in an offense or defense that's not structured the way they structured it. They want you

to play within those boundaries so they can say, hey, when we're up for a head coaching job or something, that's my offense, that's my defense, and it will work no matter where I go. And Mike McCarthy said, I know what Kelmore wants to do. Kelmore wants to run up that scoreboard. He wants a head coach job.

I was in the same position. I want to run the ball a little bit more. It's not every offense coordinator or defense coordinator, but there are humans and egos and prides going into every single decision. It's fascinating to see how it plays out. Hopefully everybody has the same amount of success that you guys had in Denver. Hall of Fame weekend this past weekend, speaking of success, did you go? How was it?

What do you guys talk about there? Do you talk about the state of football? Is it off the field stuff? What are conversations normally like amongst the greats in Canton, Ohio? Yes, yes, I went. Listen, I'm so honored to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame that I told myself that I'm going to try to make it every single year. If I can make it, I'm trying to say that that's my commitment to go back every year.

Yes, we talk about the state of football. And we had a conversation this year talking about the running backs and really the state of the running back and what's happening. And trying to find some solution to how backs are really being kind of pushed out of the sport, just like fullbacks are no longer a part of the sport. So it's, you know, it's sad to see. You're almost damned if you're a back and you are really good and you earn that second contract, they look at you like, wait a minute, you're used up. We can't sign you to a big-time extension

because we know that you put the mileage on. Why do they do that to you? Why they do it now? Yeah. I don't know. I do not have a clue. This is stats and analytics, I think. Yeah.

I think this is stats and analytics. You know what I mean? But unless it's 100% to 0%, it's hard for me to believe it. This is like whenever stats and analytics started coming in to every decision that was being made in football games. And, like, some coaches are like, I'm a stats guy. And 65% of the time, this was going to work. It's like, that's 35% of the time not going to work.

Family's getting fired. You know what I mean? And who knows if just now that number is just going into that overall stat. And all of a sudden it's that 64.9%. It's like those stats aren't getting fired. You know what I mean? And there's anomalies to stats and stuff like that. I believe, Pac, it is because they get these analytics telling them how running backs do after year five.

This is just 80% of running backs after year five yes this is just 80 percent of running backs after year five this is their well what about that 20 percent though you know like are we are we kind of going to lose out on that 20 percent or are we just banking that we can get a stable of three people instead of kind of risk on that it's just that's what i think it's too much information you know i think we got too much information right now that's's a great point. That's a great point because they always make this – I always see this stat like after a bat carries the ball like 350 times, you know, you look at the years after that and it tends to drop a lot. The production goes down.

I think to your point, Pat, they look at that as sort of analytics and baseline and say, well, this guy has already had so much usage and we don't think based off history, we don't see any more production being squeezed out of this back. And so why pay them? Now I do. And I've talked to a good friend of mine, Jim Trotter, and I was trying to come up with a solution to how do we how do we make sure backs get get paid? My solution was, number one, that you you create a pool, right?

I mean, it's just like a salary cap or just like the the franchise tag but you have to spend that amount on that position and um so let's say quarterbacks is 50 you cap out quarterbacks at 50 million running backs have to be you know let's say 20 million whatever there is but you have to spend that money you can't just like the regular cap you got to spend the 200 and i don't know what the cap is now uh something million dollars on the players. It's either that. But he came up with a better one. He said, listen, he said, why do we even have position caps anyway? Position. Why are we paying players by position? Other sports don't do that. Basketball don't do that. Baseball doesn't do that. So they should remove the position and

say, hey, if you are a good player, whether you're a quarterback, receiver or running back, you should be able to get paid. Back shouldn't be lumped into one little or a good player, whether you're a quarterback, receiver, or running back, you should be able to get paid. Backs shouldn't be lumped into one little – where the franchise tag is so low. The franchise tag is $10 million. Pat, I talked to Edwin James. When he was playing, the franchise tag was $8.5 million. $8.5 million.

It has only gone up a million, a million five. Every other, every other position, the cap has exploded. The franchise stacks, there's a going up, backs have gone down. So it's like,

why do you keep putting backs in a category? Just don't, don't use a category. If they're best player on your team. TD, I love what you guys are saying. I love what Jim Trotter saying. I love what you're saying, but that would only be Trotter's saying. I love what you're saying.

But that would only be possible in the next CBA. Could you imagine being able to get that done in a CBA? How we even got to this point of players, the tight end's not happy about it either. The tight ends are in a situation where they're running backs, obviously. I think safeties, there's a lot of nickel there. There was a start to break down the nickel position. Congrats to Rondé, by the way,

getting into the Hall of Fame this particular year. There's a lot of that. I would love that to be the case. Negotiation wise, though, that's going to be impossible. You know what I mean? Sounds like the amount of things that the NFL PA would have to give up to get all those things. It seems like we're to... I don't know

how you fix it other than the rookie contracts for running backs are higher than what they have been because we know that the best five, six years are going to be the first five, six years. So, like, unless all the running backs coming out of college decided, like, no, we're not going to take the slotted thing. We're going to try to get more for the first five, six years of our deal as opposed to every other position that's trying to get to their second contract. We're just trying try to get more for the first five, six years of our deal as opposed to every other position that's trying to get to their second contract. We're just trying to

get to our first contract. I don't know how you fix it, honestly. Well, it's got to be some, it's got to be a lot of courage, man. That means that they got to come together and say, you know, we're not showing up until it gets fixed. And another thing too,

Pat, listen, and here And another thing, too, Pat, listen. Here's the other thing. Most times, the quarterback's best friend is a really good running back. But when negotiations come down and when these backs are struggling, I don't ever hear a quarterback step up and say,

dude, I don't see it. So QBs are going to have to step up and and help out the the guy in in most cases who helps them get their contract but a lot of these backs that's up right now have either been hurt or was hurt before this year yeah and either had a good year this is not a year where all these backs have been balling for two, three years. Like, you can go through the whole list.

Like, none of these guys have been healthy for two years straight, the last two years. Or we probably wouldn't be talking about it. Yeah, it's like any position. If you have any injuries, there's a chance they're going to be hesitant. But it feels like at this particular position, Josh Jacobs, has he been? I mean, he broke his hand, but he played. They had him throw a ball. Remember, he

broke a thumb, go to the tent, come back out. Yeah, he broke his thumb. All right, sweet. We're going to throw a pass. They had him throw a pass first play back. Never see it coming. I couldn't even imagine what was going through his head. Hey, bud, I can't even fucking...

We're running with my left hand. It hurts. Now you want me to to throw a ball i don't know how that works but like i do believe personally to pac's point josh jacobs saquon barkley i don't want to go back two years i'll just go back last year much different conversation yeah and i guess dalvin too oh yeah dalvin was able to do heckler then like naji and like jonathan no offense I love Jonathan Taylor we need Jonathan Taylor but last year Jonathan Taylor was not good he was hurt it was not good football our team was terrible so he's like not winning anybody over with like hey I should be paid right now it's like Barkley was good he was good last year but where have the hell he been the last three years yeah well that's a great question but Bag was on the line. He showed

up. I'll say, so if we can't get that done then, right? If you can't redo the CBA, obviously that's some years down the road. Yeah, Jim Irsay said, nah, we ain't doing it. That's what Jim Irsay tweeted. He tweeted it. Yeah, I'm just telling you. But then let's make, let's give

a compensation. Let's give some type of package incentive package. Let's give some type of package, incentive package, that's on the sideline, that's available, a pool of money that's available to some of these backs when they do reach those milestones or hit those, you know, if you're getting 1,400 yards or 1,300 yards, there should be some money in the pot that pays you based on what that back should have gotten.

So it's like a play of gotten. The agent should do that. I think that would have to be NFLPA and NFL negotiated. That would be like player performance bonuses that happen after the year. If you do recall those, those bonuses are handed out for if a guy outplays his contract worth. For instance, A.Q. Shipley,

a friend of mine, he would get like $300,000, $350,000 player performance bonuses that would come in March from the NFLPA that had a pool where it was like he outplayed his contract. So you could certainly add into that for position groups, position specific.

Hey, there is a way. Let's talk a little bit different. Let's talk about teams. Hey, TD, here we go. That's why you got that gold jacket. That's why you have that bald head. That's why you little bit different. Let's talk about teams. Hey, TD, here we go. That's why you got that gold jacket. That's why you have that bald head. That's why you have Defy. Let's talk about the Denver Broncos. Obviously, a team that is synonymous with you and everything like that.

Last year, abysmal. Terrible to watch. We all hated that you guys were in the NFL. We hated that your team was potentially going to be on TV. This is terrible football. We got to sit here for four hours because we bet on this, and it's NFL football. With that being said, Sean Payton has come in.

It seems like Russell Wilson seems to be back in great shape. All vibes are high. New offensive line. What are your thoughts on the Denver Broncos, and what should we expect this year? Yeah, I think everybody's pretty excited about it um you know sean has come in and you it's noticeable um even from like the outside looking in um it's just a different sort of vibe and you can see you know when he first came in sean's whole thing was to try to calm quiet

everything down and that is you is where players aren't posting things or not talking about what they're doing. He had this saying that he wants anonymous donors. And you've seen that. You have not seen a lot coming out of the camp. You can certainly feel that it's different just by watching what's happening. I've been over there twice,

talked to Sean one time for about an hour. And it seems like- Was he just like, that Hackett guy? No, I'm joking. He never brought his name up. What he did was, Sean, obviously, when I played in Denver with Mike Shanahan, I started to see

a lot of similarities in what Sean was talking about from a philosophical standpoint. Just the things he was doing, little things. And Mike's big thing was, you know, the attention to detail and little things. And so we weren't going to try to win the championship in, you know, in August or July, you know, the championship was won in February. But there's things you do that puts you in position to win those championships

and you're starting to see that. Now, this is going to take a process. We heard that all last year. You guys stink again? We're going to have to watch this football team stink again? What are you going to do? What are you going to judge?

What are we judging right now then? Entertaining football. For instance, the Colts and the Broncos played last year. You remember it? Thursday night. That has to be the worst football game in the history of the NFL. Like, actually. Yeah, a bad game. 12-9.

Our team was like that all year. So was yours, I think. You know what I mean? So I think what we should judge it is, is there hope that this team could maybe win a Super Bowl? You know what I mean? Like, is there? I think that would be a it is, is there hope that this team could maybe win a Super Bowl? You know what I mean? Like, is there, I think that would be a successful season or playoff. Wait, you're going to win this season to Super Bowl?

No, I'm just saying like this team, for us, we got a brand new head coach as well. We're in a new, we're in a St. Colts, Broncos. I guess Ross is still there, but he was there last year. Let's not count last year. It's his first year. We got brand new quarterback. All I want to see from the Colts year. Let's not count last year. It's his first year. We got a brand-new quarterback. All I want to see from the Colts this year, and this sounds so terrible,

and it's a defeated mindset. I do not like it. I do not like it at all. But it is what it is with the AFC right now. The champs that are maybe in the middle of a dynasty are in the middle of your division, not ours. Thank God. But, like, I just want to see that this team could win a Super Bowl.

Like, with the team that we have, with what Shane Steichen's coaching, like, behind closed doors, they're on time to meetings. Like, everything that's happening behind closed doors is like, yes, that's a championship-caliber team. On the field, it's like, okay, we're seeing things that, like, this team could win.

You know what I mean? Like, that is how I'm viewing this upcoming season. Is that what you're viewing the Broncos like, or is that not something you ever thought of? Exactly. I mean, I think to your point, like you have to see signs. You have to see process. I mean, progress.

And you have to see things that resembles a championship team. And once you see it, you know, you'll watch games. You'll watch practice. You'll watch players sort of their demeanor. And you'll see how these games are unfolding, then you'll say, okay, we have a shot. To me, it's like we've got to take steps. Last year, we lost a lot of games, close games.

We were the least scoring or fewest scoring offense in the league. So let's go from 17 points. Let's get to 24. Let's get to 27 points a game. Let's start to increase that. In this business, you understand it's about giving yourself a chance to win. And not that all stats matter, but some you look at as kind of like, where are we? And if that's one you can point to, if we could put more points on the board,

that typically equates to winning more games when you're scoring more points. Yeah, in a game that score is kept. Yeah. Here's said than done. I know that. But let's start with going out there and just looking like we're going to be a team

that's going to compete. Hey, TD, to kind of echo your stat shout-out right there, Chiefs-Eagles, number one, two points scored. Yep. Eagles were like 29.4, something like that. Chiefs, 29.6, something like that in that world. And they were obviously the two teams that got to the Super Bowl. But I do believe in this modern NFL,

a lot of teams are going to be able to get yards because defenses are, come on, come on, come on, come on. So fantasy people are happy. Gambling people are seemingly happy. The NFL is happy. But then all of a sudden when you get down into that, you know what I mean? Now we're kicking field goals instead of touchdowns. That's the entire difference.

That's why whenever you have a guy who's like 6'7". Sure. You know? Yep. Should fucking use him. difference. That's why whenever you have a guy who's like 6'7", you know, should fucking use him. TD, we have a guy on our team. 6'7". I don't want to bring this back to the Colts. 6'7", Jelani Woods. He's 6'7", you're not. He scored

touchdowns every time he's in a red zone. And then we just started benching him. And there's just decisions that are made by people that are much more than me in football that I don't understand. But hopefully you guys will have the red zone figured out. Cause if not, not a low scoring year and we can't have it. It's over.

And I know the Broncos can't. Tony Diggs has a question for you here, TD. Yeah, TD, real simple. Are those dogs going to go back to back to back? Ooh,

man. Let me show you what I'm working with. You see that G right there. You see that? We do now. We didn't dare for a second but we do there you go yeah man we don't see uh we don't see 100 absolutely absolutely there's not even the greatest dynasty though if y'all do go back to back to back oh yeah up there oh yeah no question i mean could you look at other teams and and you know obviously bam has got a new quarterback and and and they seem to be our nemesis. But we got over that hurdle two years ago. And Georgia's just – they just continue to just reload.

Man, I was down there this offseason. And Kirby – Kirby's doing – I mean, fantastic. We've heard Kirby before games. Yeah. Yeah, we've heard a couple audio clips of old Kirby before games. He's got those boys ready to run through a wall. He's a guy. I love what he does.

He's seemingly a player's coach too is what they kind of – like he understands because he played, but he's a super – him and Saban, they're saying like, what a time, dude. What a time to be a Georgia Bulldog. You guys are just better than everybody. Yeah. It's a good time, man. But it's also, man, you know, get off to Georgia.

But Pac-12, what's going on with the Pac-12? What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on it all? See, I grew up in California. I'm a West Coast kid. And, you know, I'm a San Diego guy. And it's a little sad to see that it's being dismantled like that. Because I grew up,

man, I mean, that's all I watched was Pac-12 games, SC, UCLA, Oregon. Yeah, but you weren't going to one of them. You said, get me out of here. I'm going to Georgia where real football is played. I went to Long Beach State. I went to Long Beach State right there in Los Angeles. It didn't work out there,

but I ended up going to Georgia after that. And Georgia's real football, man. Long Beach State right there in Los Angeles. It didn't work out there, but I ended up going to Georgia after that. And Georgia's real football, man. Long Beach State was, you know, bless the people who tried to make it work there, but it just was not a – it wasn't nowhere near what Georgia was. Of course not, yeah. Really? Don't you think, though, like the writing was on the wall here. I don't know how they don't get a tv deal done

okay i personally don't know how in the state of what football does ratings wise versus everything else if you have football you should be able to negotiate a deal of some sort you would think so them not being able to get a deal that is worthy to keep the schools around and then overnight everybody's like we're out of here it Business-wise, that's going to get studied for a long time. Sports-wise, that's going to get studied for a long time. Last week is going to be, Pete Thamel said this, there's going to be documentaries. There's going to be so many things about what happened

where the Pac-12 just fell apart. But I don't follow closely enough. You tell me. They selling out those games in the Pac-12, right? Like, I called a Stanford game. Remember that? Yeah, they are now. There was 24 people in the Pac-12, right? Like, I called a Stanford game. Yep. Remember that? Yeah, they are now.

There was 24 people in the stands. Oh, yeah. 24 people in the stands. I think. They're all Olympians. Yeah. And they're very successful. Yeah.

They all were going to find some tech company. They're all going to be billionaires. I assume. Very, very smart. But nobody gave a damn about football at all there. I don't know what it is like everywhere else, but does Pac-12 move a needle at all anywhere? And was this kind of like assumed to happen almost from Pac-12 people,

or do you think they still had the juice and I'm not paying attention enough? I don't have all the details to it, but again, growing up, it was a different kind of football because like you know the stadiums weren't as big and they still wouldn't you know you still wouldn't feel the stadiums and so you have a lot of these schools on the west coast that people football is not a religion out on the west coast i mean you have really good players but when you talk about like the institutions and actually football you'll have every once in a while i mean obviously mean, obviously SC was the big dog for a long time. Well, they were cheating anyways.

They were giving Reggie Bush apartments and stuff. It's not a Heisman winner in my eyes. No way. No, he wasn't the best player in football. Not now, not ever. No, don't give him the award. Well, they took it away from him. No.

They gave it back to him. No, no. Not a model. No, no, no. Because he got an apartment. Yeah, they melted that Heisman down. Yeah. Gave it to Vince.

That's right. And Vince said, I don't want this. I just want to go to Cheesecake. Yeah. Why don't you give this to someone else? Give this back to Reggie. Crazy is now that all this NIL stuff. Oh, yeah.

But it's right now. They should retro that, go back, and give the man back his Heisman trophy. Give SC back the two championships. Yeah, give it back to him. You're making a lot of sense here. And with that being said, no way the NCAA does that. Not happening. No chance at all.

Obviously, we are 30 days away from the NFL season. And whenever we thought of number 30s, the first person we thought of was the Maha Salute. Appreciate the hell out of you, TD. Have an incredible weekend. I appreciate it, guys. Have a good one, man. You still in shape? I try to be.

Yeah, let me see. I've been working on those things. Yeah, I'd say so. Oh! Yeah. Hey, you're on some shit. You're on some shit, huh? You taking some good science?

Defy, man. Defy. That's what I'm on. I'm on Defy. I'm taking man. Defy. That's what I'm on. I'm on Defy. I'm taking more than Defy. It's awesome. Science is at a really, really good spot, but hopefully I'll look like you someday.

You are the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Terrell Davis. Joining us now live from Nantucket, Ohio, is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, a father of 10, a COVID survivor, a handsome devil. That's right. Founder of the Hawk Cut at Sports Clips. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk.

Yeah! Oh! Wow! Wow! One day into that haircut, you look even better. You're glowing. How are you, pal? Oh!

Doing great. How are you guys doing? As good as you. Could you imagine looking in the mirror and seeing that haircut right there? I'd be there the whole day. Oh, Mike, just staring. Just, wow. God damn, you look good. I am AJ. The MVP treatment is not just the figures. You look tan, man.

You've been getting sprayed? No, so that's light shirt. I never wear light shirt, so this is I've gotten to the point where my belly button and my nips aren't as big or fat. So I wear light colored stuff. my nips aren't as big or fat, so I wear light-colored stuff. Your nips get bigger the more weight you gain? Well, just like the whole body just sinks with gravity.

Earth is sucking my body out and down. So it's just kind of one of those things. Nips turn into half dollars. I appreciate the compliment on how tan I look. It's because I'm wearing something that isn't just pitch black, which is my normal operation. I'm really taking this fitness stuff seriously now hey jerry i'm really taking it seriously aren't you guys all you're out there grinding the weight room every day aren't you

everybody in here except for fat nick all of us everybody's grinding you know what i mean i rode my bike nick walks in in the middle of me getting after it or whatever full sweat full lather connor's got a full lather. Foxy's already run two miles. Erbo's in there. Billy McComas is stumbling around because he did legs for the first time in three months yesterday. And Nick comes walking in with a Cinnabon. I'm like, you know this gym's open, Nick.

You're allowed to. Why would I do that? I lose 12 ounces. That little thing. You know what I mean? Trying to get this guy to live longer and be more healthy and just can't get it to work, but he has that build he's allowed to do. Yeah, exactly.

He can do that. Now, Ty, I don't know what your excuse is. You have a baby. I do, and like I said, I got a treadmill and a Peloton in my basement, so I usually wake up about an hour before the baby wakes up. I get my work in like that. I know you hop in your Bronco, hop on the Peloton, come into work, do your thing, and we appreciate that.

Okay? I do appreciate the hell out of you. But also, it is inspiring what's going on in that Hawk House. Team building. I agree. AJ, I don't think I expected to be this alive every morning. I almost feel an obligation. It's like a team lift.

Yes. Exactly. I feel like an obligation. Everybody's holding each other accountable. Yeah, like Billy McComb has come stumbling in 45 minutes late. It's like, hey, this is old Bill. I thought we were new Bill. Right.

We don't know what he's been doing before the show, so you've got to give him some slack. Joining us now is a man who we don't know what he's doing ever because he's the most interesting human on earth. Yes. He was landing a helicopter onto a boat in the middle of the ocean, I do believe, about three months ago. He's flying in a fighter jet a couple months ago. He's flying a trick plane a couple months ago. He was living in a sailboat because he was planning on sailing a son of a bitch around the world.

Solo. Now he's catching footballs for the New Orleans Saints again. Has to be easy. Seems to be with all the highlights coming out of here. Ladies and gentlemen, he's taller than you, smarter than you. He's an incredible football player, and his brain seems to be absurd. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, most interesting man on earth, Jimmy Graham.

What's up, guys? How you doing? Hey, great. How you guys been? Great. Needed to head starboard there to get back in the frame. So let's talk about this, Jimmy, because, you know, you came on the program when AJ was hosting and I was at home with the baby and I was watching along.

And as AJ tells stories about you and Aaron tells story about you and I kind of follow along with what he's getting, like 150 views while flying planes in this absurd fashion. And I don't think anybody knows about like to the extent of the talent that you have while flying planes in this absurd fashion. And I don't think anybody knows about, like, to the extent of the talent that you have in all these other, like, extreme things. Landing a helicopter on a boat, flying trick planes. What made you decide you were coming back to football? Because I remember you said, I haven't officially retired.

When was it like, I am coming back? And has it been like riding a plane or a helicopter for you to just get back into football shape and play football again? Yeah, I mean, it's been a very interesting couple of weeks for sure. You know, from all the things that I've done over the last year and, you know, all the time I spent on learning and trying to chase goals that I've had for myself, one of the biggest goals was always, you know, obviously winning a ring and obviously ending things here in New Orleans.

So that was one of the things that, and one of the reasons I didn't play last year, I didn't want to put on another jersey. You know, I remember talking to Mickey and basically being, if there's ever an opportunity where you think I could help, let me know and I'll be there. If not, then I'm going to retire. And so I sit here right now in New Orleans, happier than I've ever been, healthier than I've

ever been, and truly just excited for the opportunity. You know, this team has got so much talent, man. And to really see it up close has been amazing. I love you, Mickey. You still six foot 14 or whatever? Are you still running, catching football? Yeah, yeah, we got time and space for you. Go ahead, AJ. Jimmy, when did all this, like when did it become a reality to you that, hey, yeah, I'm going to go back and play football? Is this months ago?

Is this weeks ago? And also, how has your body held up after those first couple days of pads? Yeah, I mean, for me, I always knew in the back of my mind that there could be a possibility that, you know, I would get the call. But really, it was about two weeks before I showed up to do my workout is really when I got the call. And really, when I started transitioning most of my most of my regimen to more football, you know, I mean, for the last year, I've been, you know, cycling all over the place and making sure that I kept my cardio up and obviously lifting a bit. But, you know, as far as football specific, you know, it had only been a couple weeks before I showed up. And, you know, things have been awesome. You know, obviously the body's got to get used to the heat and, you know, has to get used to the load.

But, you know, it's been amazing to put this jersey on, you know, to put the pads on and really get that contact back, which is something that you don't really get in the pads on and really get that contact back, which is something that you don't really get in the normal life and truly something that I've missed. Okay, so I don't want to, you know, ever say something that you find offensive. So, no offense. Yep. Okay, we got a deal? Yeah.

Yeah, no offense. You fly fighter jets and shit, so I don't want to piss you off. Okay, I just would like that to be known. But when I asked Nick Underhill of New Orleans.football, a beat writer down there, I said my question was phrased in a manner where I was like, is Jimmy going to make the team? And what do you think Jimmy is going to do? He said like 15, right?

15 to 20. 15, 20 plays. That seems like a pretty good load, you know, for a man that was out of football and for how many years you've kind of played and where you're at right now with your life and everything else you've been able to do. What are you expecting from this year as a New Orleans Saint? And did I just offend you by even asking that question?

No, no, no. Not at all. You know, I mean, I think, you know, I've always played with a pretty big chip on my shoulder. And kind of one of the best things that ever happened to me was this past year. You know, I mean, I really had the opportunity to let my body and really let my knee fully, you know, fully get his strength back. You know, it's something that since since I heard that thing, I was always just on the back end of another season and continued that grind for what is seven, eight years. You know, to, you know, to spend a year the way I did and to get a little bit of latitude and and the realization of how much you do miss this game.

But really, the the ability to also sit on a bike for thousands of miles over that year. And then get run over by a car. Yep. Yeah. And then to get hit by a car, that's when I really knew that I still had it, you know, like whenever I got hit by the SUV and kind of ate it,

you know, I said, you know, maybe I can take a little bit more contact and, and you know, that's, that's really, really everything that's happened and the ability for me to stay in shape while being gone from football.

I really got to attest to the bike. You know, honestly, that's one of the best things I'd ever done in my life. It is one of the things I wish that I had gotten a hold of maybe a decade ago and stopped being such a meathead and did a little bit less power cleaning, a little bit more biking for just really my full system and my heart and my cardiovascular. You know, my cardiovascular, I feel like is the best it's ever been. And, you know, so I'm also excited to, you know, to test this out and to see, you know, to be able to feel like I feel after a year of doing what I did for my body. You know, I'm looking for the opportunity to test out this theory.

The Peloton craze was real because of how in shape everybody was getting. And then you see like Conor McGregor still tweeting words that, you know. Of course. Everybody's kind of stopped saying for a while. But his whole entire cardio is bike, I think. He's a big time bike guy.

And I'm not saying he has grace, but a lot of in the combat world do the biking and everything like that. I thought that would be bad for your knee. Not bad for your knee. That's good rehab for the knees? No. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's been the best rehab I've ever done. I mean, not only that, you know, the ability to – Yeah, no, no. I mean, to sit on a bike and do 100 miles in a day, to sit on a bike and also realize your max heart rate, you know, to realize your FTP. These are things that I never really, that isn't really a part of football. I didn't know that my max heart rate was 201.

Now I know exactly what my max heart rate is. I know exactly what my resting heart rate is. I know exactly how I can sustain a five-hour pedal at a hundred. To 101 beats? Yeah. I got a weird heart. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you got a good heart.

Everybody needs to check their hearts now after everything that's been happening seemingly. But over 130, that's when you're burning, right? Allegedly, that's what I've been kind of taught. And then I think anytime I'm dying on like the Stairmaster or the thing, I put my hands on there, and it'll be like 160. I'm like, 160? Moving.

And it'll get up to like 170. I'm like, oh, I'm dead. Got to get off. I'm going to die. Slow down. You're at 201 just on a regular basis? Yeah, I mean, well, that's that max. That's when I'm like kind of competing versus somebody,

and somebody's trying to race me up some big hill. But really, I mean, I'll be – You're not willing to die. I'm willing to get – No. I'm willing to get a 2-0-1 right here. I mean, if you're trying to win and you're trying to – I mean, there's such an ultimate competitiveness to cycling. That's what's unbelievable was it kept that edge because you're pushing your body to the absolute limit.

I mean, you believe that you're going to collapse and literally pass out on the bike. I've been to that moment in those dark spaces a few times on the bike. But really, like, when I'm pulling for a Peloton and I'm putting in work, I mean, I'll sustain, you know, 160 beats per minute for four hours. You know, and that's – so to be able to do that and to transition that into football, I mean, it's been truly interesting to see, you know, how it helps you, really. really yeah i'd say four hours at fucking max heart rate yeah that's a football game my god you guys taking half time don't need it i'm gonna need a i'm gonna need a stair step

or something to keep this thing going so i can really stay warm so you're in the best shape of your life that's awesome to hear congrats to you we're lucky you're back in the nfl go ahead aj jimmy did you uh i heard you did fly yourself to camp on a plane, I'm guessing. Did you bring the Huey? Can people in New Orleans maybe on an off day expect to see the big old Huey flying around the city there? What's a Huey? Helicopter.

Copper gunner. So a Huey is a single-engine turbine helicopter, the one that I have that fought in Vietnam. And we restored it back than it's ever been,engine turbine helicopter, the one that I have at Fodden Vietnam. And we restored it, you know, back than it's ever been. And now we give flights to veterans. How much did that cost, Jimmy? Did that cost like $20 million? It feels like it did.

You showed me the pictures of all the process. I was like, whoa, this was not cheap. Yeah, I mean, it's not cheap. If you think about it, you know, it was a full restoration, you know, all brand-new components. This thing will fly for the next 20 years. But really, the rebuild, it was a full restoration, all brand-new components. This thing will fly for the next 20 years. But really, to rebuild it wasn't expensive. What it is is to run it is pretty expensive.

It burns 100 gallons of fuel per hour. So everything that I do is 30 watts. Jamie, why don't you get an electric helicopter? Yeah. You know, I got an electric vehicle. I'm saving the world. You guys are out here. I didn't know this was happening. I wonder why it's so hot down in Florida. Oh, my God. That hot training camp. You know, I got a electric vehicle. I'm saving the world. You guys are out here. I didn't know this was happening. The water was so hot down in Florida.

Oh, my God. That hot training camp. You know why? Because of you. That's what they're saying. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you what people are saying. We need to ground them all.

We just got cows not farting anymore, right? No, no, no. They're putting bags. Yep. The thing about this is, like, batteries can't do that yet. I mean, there's how much those batteries would weigh would take up all your useful load in the helicopter. And then obviously the temperature change. Not only there's just too much going on.

That's why it hasn't hit aviation like it should. You know, like they were looking into do this for. I mean, there's there's variants that can help, but right now a fully electric plane is just very difficult to do because it doesn't have that type of capacity to carry passengers and to run for that long. I assume you know this because you were probably there whenever they discovered this in South Korea. Brand new superconductor being introduced into the world apparently is going to change the game, especially in electricity. That's what we're being told. New superconductor. It's going to charge up my electric vehicle

in about five minutes or so, all the way back to 100. It may be safe aviation, it sounds like. Possibly. That'd be a cool thing. I have no idea what else it'll be able to do. I'm sure we'll benefit from it greatly, and AI will take it over, and we'll lose. It'll probably save aviation, and I need some bigger batteries for the sailboat, so I can

definitely do some of that. Oh, yeah, because whenever you're out there in the middle of the atlantic all by yourself wouldn't be bad to be able to fry up a little burger that's right that's right i mean fry up a burger out there be able to live a little bit like a human are you so what's the plan here you're playing one more year two more years i don't want to i don't want to do too much of that you're probably living in the moment all that all that good stuff but you still have a lot of other goals i assume in the real world but your body's still able to be in the NFL. Are you planning on just kind of riding this out, see how long it goes, or do you have an end in sight?

Yeah, you know, I've got a small team of people that have been around me for a long time. And, you know, from business to aviation to sailing, you know, we've really had to take a look at things over the last basically few weeks and make sure I can put that all to the side. You know, I'm 100% focused on what I'm doing now and being as good as I can be and challenging myself and really working on my room. You know, I mean, I have an incredible room here in New Orleans. We have a dynamic offense, a dynamic team with a lot of good players. This team is, you know, from the outside looking in, obviously everybody knows how much talent it is. But once you come in here and you realize how competitive this team is, you know, how intense our competition right now is with this 90-man roster, it's unbelievable. And I'm just blessed to be here. So my true focus is really on that.

My true focus is on helping my room out, you know, spreading my knowledge to Juwan, to, you know, Big Foff, to Lucas. You know, it's these are the things that that I'm really looking forward to is really to be back in that brotherhood. You know, that's one of the things that I miss the most. That's one of the things that I got with AJ back at the Derby was, you know, the feeling of that locker room again. back at the Derby was, you know, the feeling of that locker room again, you know, the feeling of that camaraderie that we have as men. That's something that you don't really get in the world outside of these walls. So that's one of the biggest reasons that I came back. And, you know, so I'm just living in the moment,

blessed to be back in the city, back in this jersey, back in my number. And, you know, I can't wait to score again. That's going to be incredible. Dunk it. Take the penalty. Kicker's going to have to make it. Listen, need you to make a 48-yard extra point. All right? Jimmy Graham is back. This is just how it goes.

In the locker room, that vibe. If we didn't have this building, I don't know what I would do. You know what I mean? It's tough. I mean, obviously a lot of shit being talked. But, like, it is. It's an incredible thing that I think is what people normally miss before they miss anything else.

It's like I miss the camaraderie. But you're also a guy who's signing up to sit in a sailboat all by yourself. Yeah. Seems like you can figure it all out, and we're very thankful for it. Speaking of figuring things out, Derek Carr, now with the Saints. Huge signing, obviously. This is a massive ordeal. This is a whole new team.

It's your program now. Derek jaded about how it all ended at the Raiders. Won a lot of games. Had some games where, you know, is Derek Carr ever going to be the guy before he ended up breaking his leg on Christmas Eve, which was, he was on his way to win an MVP that year. Yep.

Who knows? What are your thoughts on Derek Carr down there? And obviously he and Darren Waller had an incredible relationship on the football field. Have you noticed any carryover with his comfort with the Derek Carr down there? And obviously he and Darren Waller had an incredible relationship on the football field. Have you noticed any carryover with his comfort with the tight end down there? Yeah, you know, he's a true pro. Really that and him coupled on this offense. I mean, I know what this offense can do.

You know, I mean, I've been in the system before and I understand how dynamic this system can be. And I think he's perfect for the system. I think his work ethic and, you know, his hunger and the way he operates in the huddle, man, it's just unbelievable to see. And, you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, really getting some live action with him, you know, seeing how, you know, he continues to, you know, make this offense also his, you know, he's the type of guy where, you know, you want to just let him loose and give him some options so he can check to the right play. He's got a photographic memory. The things that he can remember, how he remembers them, and he demands so much from himself. I think that's one of the

cooler things that he's gotten experience here is how competitive we are in every practice. And to also see how competitive he is. He doesn't like to see the ball on the ground. You know, his attention to detail is very similar to the things that I saw in Drew Brees. You know, his ability to command this offense, to get us to the right check, because, you know, this playbook is no joke. This is the biggest playbook I've ever been a part of. You know, it is wordy, super wordy plays. You have to understand that there's multiple checks in every play.

You have to understand how to pick up these protections. And, you know, I mean, I, I really think that, you know, he's you know, he's, he's the leader that this team, this city needs. And, and, you know, we're really looking forward to it because obviously on all sides of the ball, we have an, we have a, we have a talented group. Yeah. And the NFC South, NFC South too, Jimmy. Oh yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, that's, man. Yeah, and the NFC South. NFC South too, Jimmy. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, that's goals. You know, like everybody can look in the far, far future,

but for us it's about the NFC South. It's about owning the NFC South and really going there and battling against these teams and making sure that we're prepared come week one. All right. I can't wait to watch. Pac-Man has a question for you, Jimmy. What's up, Jimmy?

I know you said you're in the best shape you am. I know I said out of year and I was in the best shape, but timing. Sometimes it takes time to get the rhythm back, the speed of the game. My question to you is how close are you being back to the regular timing

that you're normally at and the speed of the game? I think for me, it's, it's definitely, um, I can see myself just getting better each and every week, you know, as it's been two weeks each week that, you know, I can feel my legs up underneath me. I mean, I can feel that I'm coming in and out of the routes. I can feel that I'm connecting, you know, now, and also this offense has changed a little bit, you know? Um, so I have to, um, it's, it's evolved with words that weren't here

before when I was here. So just making sure that I get all aspects of that. And then I get all aspects of timing. But you know, it's, it's, I got to experience this before because the year I got traded to Seattle, when I hurt my knee, that off season, you know, I, I wasn't in pads until the day of the game. I mean, I literally didn't do any training camp, any offseason. I did nothing. I basically showed up week one and was in an NFL game with a knee at the time that wasn't even fully healed. So, you know, to now kind of repeat that. But now I get this hopeful training camp to really, you know, knock off the rust, you know, to really get these get these calluses on my body.

And then to figure out that timing, especially with Carr. You know, I'm I think that this is perfect for me that's one of the reasons i'm here you know sweat my ass off in this heat um you know is is to get back to that timing and get back to you know who i know i can be you're a cold tub guy you you do the cold tub oh yeah oh yeah i mean every day every day have to even when you're not in football? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm obsessed with it. I mean, I think that's, you know, you know, for me, that's that's always been a big part of my regime. You know, it's it's always been something I've been involved with. And you kind of have to do that for recovery, you know, especially on the bike. I mean, you know, I mean, I was biking thousands of miles a year. You know, that's something that, you know, you can't let go of. So I'm trying to tell AJ this because AJ refuses to get in the cold tub. You know,

we got one here now. I got one in my house. You know, me and Wim Hof are doing really ice work. I've heard it's really good for you. Like not just recovery, but like mental as well. Every day, like having to do something you don't want to do mentally, like very good. Stressing the body. You know, stressing the body matters. You know, I mean, you know, for me, you know, I've been stressing my body. If it's not, you know, obviously on the bike with the cardio, if it's not in the cold tub, you know, it's pushing my body through G's, you know, and, you know, going up and pulling 10 G's. I watched Mission Impossible six times.

Yeah. I pulled nine, 10 G's. Top Gun. Yeah, Top Gun as well. I mean, Top Gun, I watched that Impossible six times. I pulled nine, ten Gs. Top Gun. Yeah, Top Gun as well. I mean, Top Gun, I watched that thing six times. I'm pulling Gs to start that ten of them. Eleven. How many did I pull?

Ten. Yeah, I mean, it might have been close to 13. And then it blew up. Yeah, exactly. And walking through the mountains or whatever. Just needed water. That's all. That's right. I mean, I was pulling Gs.

You're out there doing that shit. That's crazy, Jimmy. For real. Jimmy, you're... No, no. I'm going to get everybody in here up there pulling Gs with me. So AJ will probably be the first. Yeah, that's a big 10 no from this one.

A big Q can hardly go up everywhere. AJ was laying... We were laying in Columbus on a plane. And AJ, who's a former pilot, I assume you know that. He was in a magazine as a pilot, standing on the side, waving at people. I'm a pilot. Call me the captain now. So he loves flying.

We flew back to Columbus together because he came out to Indiana. There was a WWE event in Columbus. I was going to fly over, so it was like a perfect setup. I mean, I was going through it. I don't like flying. But, you know, I have a man next to me who signed up to be a pilot, loves flying. And he's sweating.

Mouth is sweating. He's holding on to things like this. And as soon as we get on the ground, he's like, all right. Can't wait to do that again. He just loves it. He does. Like, you love the punishment of what planes do, I think, to you, AJ. I'm not like that.

The faster we can get on the ground, the better, in my eyes. And the smoother that flight can be, the better. As soon as that thing starts moving, I'm like, we're dead. We're dying. Okay, cool. And then it setties out. I'm like, all right, now it's just house money. Exactly.

Because I thought I was dead two seconds ago. So, you know, I only fly on those big ones, too. I need it to be, I need an SUV up there. I don't need to be, you know, I only fly on those big ones, too. I need it to be, I need an SUV up there. I don't need to be, you know what I mean? Well, I've got an SUV of a helicopter. So, you come up in the helicopter, man, and I can guarantee you'll love it. I guarantee it. I guarantee it.

Aaron's been up in it. You can ask him, man. It's just, it's an incredible experience. We've got to jump out. We've got to jump out into the ocean, right, Jimmy? Can't we hang off the bottom, off the struts, and jump in? This one here, AJ, right? This one here?

That'll never. You won't see that. What's that? We're doing a pencil. Yeah. Hold your nose, jumping off a Huey helicopter into the ocean. Yeah, if you don't do that, a shark will get up there. That's right.

You were doing it in Tahoe. Yeah, we did see you coming off the dock. Ah, pencil! Watch me! High-polling a rug! That sounds like me. That's what you were doing. That's how I woke up.

People were wondering why I golf like shit. You tell me. You look out there. All-time leading tackler for the Packers doing a Taekwondo Roga number two with his nose plugged. It's hard to take it serious. It's a tough way to wake up. Jeez Louise, dude.

I would jump off the boat. Jim, you ever blackout? G-Lock, isn't that what they call it when you're you're actually piloting the airplane i always thought that when i flew with the thunderbirds and blue angels i'm like i'm back here puking and passing out this guy is actually controlling the plane doing all of this yeah no i mean i've never had that uh i've had a few friends but really like once you once you unload the g's that all goes away so you basically you grab your tunnel out and then you black out eventually um but that's, that all goes away. So you basically, you gray out, you tunnel out, and then you black out eventually.

But that's nothing I've experienced. I mean, I've come, like, when I'm doing lump Shabbat, so basically when I'm, it's basically where you're doing front flips. So you're basically rotating the plane around the crankshaft and the engine. You can get a bit of stars there, but that mostly is your brain hitting the top of your skull. So besides that, you know, I've never really had anything too crazy. So when you're doing this shit with this plane here, when you're flipping this thing,

you're just hoping your brain doesn't hit off your skull while you're coming. Is that what we're hoping for? Is this light work? What are you doing here? Loop-de-loos or whirlybirds? Yeah, so no, no, no. Those are snap rolls. It's a snap roll or a lump shiva.

Yeah, I think it's a snap roll. Those aren't too crazy. That one, let's see. That's not too bad. That was actually the worst thing I've ever seen. What was it like solo? What's that, pal? I'm sorry. Sorry, I'm just wondering, the first time you did like a flip or a roll when you were solo and didn't

have anyone with you, what was that like? That'd be scary. Yeah. That's what's so interesting about aviation. There's so many firsts. I have 10 licenses. So over those 10 licenses, you're going to do one of those for the first time. I remember the first time that I got up and I was alone and really got the feel.

Well, one, the plane feels completely different because you don't have 220 pounds of another mass. Look at you. You're a psycho, dude. Man. I don't know if that's gravity pulling your mouth open or you smiling for... Let me bounce back. Jeez.

This is a video game, bro. STC. I mean, basically, it is the most freedom you can have on a three-dimensional surface. It's doing those things and really understanding how that, how that operates. You know, it's,

it's, it's, it's basically physics up there. Like, like you're, you're doing things that unload the wings to get them not to fly. So you can manipulate them around the crankshaft and using P factor. I mean,

it's just, it's, it's so very interesting, but then to go over and be able to physically be able to do that. And then to show people how to do that. I mean, I don't think there's anything better with your clothes on for sure good luck third dimension i mean yeah let's talk about let's talk about third dimension because good friend of yours you said man it's been a helicopter and i would like to jump out of a helicopter into water that'd be cool just one time i'd like to do that just to say i don't so that's the only time i'm getting on your little chopper thing now we took a chopper in new york it was awesome

we went from teeterborough into the city normally 45 minutes to an hour depending upon what the tunnel traffic is took us six minutes that's not bad it was fantastic i could see how you'd fall in love with the helicopter life but for me because you just said well we're taking a p crank and we're twisting around the yipty-doo. I don't know that. So whenever – when that thing starts doing a little of this, I'm like, yeah, we're dead. We are dead. We are dead.

So I just can't – maybe one day I'll learn enough to kind of get past it all. But like when you think about everything you do off the field, okay, and then you get back on the field is there in a tone kind of wanted to chat about this but it kind of showed up in conversation here like are you any nerves or anxiety at all getting back into football like that first game you know you're flipping planes around you're riding uh helicopters that are just burning an immense amount of gas. So much. I mean, just so much gas. You know, you're landing on spraying into the water. Oh, my. Just ruining, obviously, planet Earth.

But as you're doing it, there's so much more on the line there. Football, now granted, there's been incredible injuries. Like, was there any anxiety getting back into football after all that stuff? Or you have a brand-new perspective after you've experienced, like, real serious, insane shit, pretty much. Like, that dragon. Are you chasing a dragon? Like, the feelings in which you get when you play football or whenever you're flipping a plane upside down or stalling it out on purpose and things like that? You know, I mean, I've always enjoyed pushing myself to the limit.

You know, I mean, I've always enjoyed, you know, to see what my limits are and to and to kind of reach them. There's there's there's always a space. There's there's there's a space where you're in your comfort zone and then there's a space where you're outside of your ability. And so above your comfort zone and outside of your ability is where I like to live. And that's the only way to continually get better and to become a better person. is where I like to live. And that's the only way to continually get better and to become a better person. So for me, I'm always searching for, you know,

kind of for that uncomfortable zone that kind of pushes myself. And really being, you know, being far away from football and, you know, sitting there on a sailboat having a lot of internal thoughts to myself, you know, the one itch that I couldn't scratch was, you know, not ending it with the ability to go for a championship and then not ending it in a place where it all started. You know, I mean, I never wanted to leave this building.

And really, for me, it's also, you know, rebuilding those bridges that were burned, you know, eight to nine years ago and, you know, making sure that I can leave, you know, this game, understanding that I gave it everything that I have to the people that got me here, to the people that made me a man, and, you know, to leave satisfied. Hell, yeah. You're a deep thinker. You do ayahuasca and all that stuff because you did say third dimension. We haven't been to ninth? You're trying to get to ninth?

No, no, no. I haven't tried it yet. I haven't tried it yet. Aaron keeps getting me to try it, but, you know, I got to figure out when I'm going to do one of those trips with him. You fly in your ass down to the jungle. That'd be sick. All right, I need that toad thing you guys got.

I need that T stuff you got. I need to get to nine or ten dimensions. If we could figure that out, that'd be fantastic. I'd like to hear your take on that afterwards because of how deep of a thinker you seem to be and have kind of enacted. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Jimmy, speaking of Derek Carr earlier, you were talking about his player and how he is as a person and everything,

but one of the people they've brought in to actually help Derek with the offense or at least kind of get a full grasp on it was John Gruden. Have you been working with John at all, or is he kind of get a full grasp on it was John Gruden. Have you been working with John at all, or is he kind of strictly with the quarterbacks? And then does it seem as though he's helped Derek kind of get back to being a great quarterback? Yeah, you know, my relationship with John Gruden goes back to my rookie year. You know, I remember, you know, he had come in to, you know,

to kind of meet with the offense, meet with Sean with sean you know he was a big mentor of his and um you know i remember he called me like a like a baby deer or something like that or like runs like a deer or something like that so you know he's always um you know he's always kind of had my ear and and you know always helped me out a little bit um but when it comes to much different than a full-grown deer yeah baby deer was a shot adult it was like john deer like track oh yeah he said like john deer like you run good like a deer you yeah basically not a baby deer no coordination um baby draft baby deer and they sent an email about it yep but honestly um not only just der, he's really helped out the offense. I mean, he kind of came here and his last day he met with the team and he gave one of the best speeches I've ever heard in my life.

You know, just challenging everybody, you know, just challenging our young guys. You know, when he gets up, you know, everybody listens. That's for sure. You know, he has a presence about him. You know, obviously he's been in the game a long time and he understands a lot about this game and he still has this incredible passion for it so you know to sit there and you know you know to hear him you know tell everybody knock on wood and and you know him going through his sayings is is is truly did you knock on wood when he asked did you say knock on wood or whether you're like hell yeah you kind

of have to i mean i mean you kind of have to. You basically have no choice. It's just a part of it. When you're around him, he's a captivating figure. And everything he does and says, man, you can't help with in a moment. Speaking of captivating, go ahead, AJ. Your old

coach, Sean Payton, he's in Denver now. We just heard he came out. It sounds like he's trying to clean some stuff up, like no Gilligan hats, as he called them, on the sidelines for starters that come out. Can't take your jersey off. All these little things that all equal big things, I think. Is that something that you noticed when you were there in New Orleans with him? We've heard Payton comes from that Bill Parcells tree.

I've heard it's attention to detail. You guys are practicing hard. He's not messing around. Are you confident that he's going to get things going in the right direction out there yeah i mean he's uh he's a tough coach he's very very old school you know he um you know he's a guy who really pushes you to your limits uh you know not only physically but mentally you know he's a guy who's always going to challenge you you know he challenged me young each and every day i mean i think i think i got probably three compliments from him while I was here.

You know, he was always pushing me to be better. He was always pushing me to be the best version of myself. And, you know, he definitely is old school, just like, you know, just like from that whole regime. And, you know, I mean, I think nowadays it definitely pays dividends in these games, you know, because that's what it's about. You know, these games come down to literally the last drive of the game. You know, it comes down to, uh, uh, you know, who, who can't make like, who has the less mistakes, who can't turn the ball

over, you know, more teams beat themselves and they actually get beat by the other team. So, I mean, I think he's gonna, he's gonna come in and do a lot. And, uh, obviously he's there with Russ. So I've been there with both of them. Um know and it'll be it'll be certainly entertaining to see um you know them get on the same page and and for Russ to learn this offense you know um you know it's a it's like I said it's a very dynamic offense and you know I'm looking forward to seeing you know how how well they work together um hey did uh did they call you any other any other teams call you throughout this entire time? I know you said you're only going to play for the Saints, but that one with Sean Payton there and Russ there,

if you're getting back in, seems like a natural kind of fit. Did anybody else call you, or was it only Saints in your mind? Did you only have a conversation? With Denver, no, nobody called me. Me and Sean still haven't talked since the trade, so we're still waiting to kind of have that conversation. Did you say in the middle of that answer, he gave you three compliments through the entire time he was there? Oh, yeah. But, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm like, yeah, we were, we were very close while I was here. You know, he just, you know, he's a type that, you know, you know, for me, it was like a father figure while I was here. You know, he was, you know, it was definitely tough love. Like he always, he always challenged me, you know, he just, you know, he's a type that, you know, you know, for me, he was like a father figure while I was here. You know, he was, you know, it was definitely tough love. Like he always, he always challenged me, you know, so when we replaced somebody, you know, he would always make sure that I knew that, you know, somebody was talking shit about me in the media and that I needed to go prove myself. You know, I mean, he was, he, he understands how to push the right buttons and he certainly always pushed my buttons and always made me just, you know, fired up to, to work harder and to play play better um you know that's just the type of guy he is he really

understands um how guys internally work and how to get the best out of his players he really does well let's help you two you know have a conversation yeah take him up in the plane i'm up in the chopper you know shake some hands flip him over make him throw up put the so yeah exactly right great to see you how about four compliments maybe over a fucking huh shake some hands. Flip them over. Make them throw up. Yeah, exactly. Right. Put them through the ringer. Great to see you. How about four compliments maybe over a fucking? You know what I mean?

That would be. Still want to trade me? I'm excited to see you and hear about your first conversation. I assume that's going to happen. I think this will probably make its way to him, and somebody will say to him, why don't you? Let's make that right. We should make that right.

Hopefully that will happen. I assume you'd be open to that, right? Yeah. I mean, you know, he created me on the field, man. And, you know, we shared a lot of wins and a lot of moments, but I'm always here and I'm always open for it, man. He's, you know, he had a big influence on my life, my career, and, you know, there's no reason I would never. Let's go shake their hands.

That's right. Last question here from Pac-Man Jones. Jimmy? Last question. Y'all took the running back from TCU, Miller. I think he was 71 pick. Have you seen any flashes out of any of the young guys that's there now? Yeah.

I mean, our running back position is talented. I mean, we have everything you could ever want. You know, I mean, I uh the biggest thing is obviously you know the biggest difference between college and pros is being able to pick up blitzes you know like as as everybody here knows um dogs and blitzes are some of the some of the hardest thing for for that transition so you know the way that they're going to make it on the field uh quicker is to not be that one-dimensional player and to be able to pick up and to be able to understand these checks so that we can keep the quarterback clean and we get the

ball down the field um but i mean our you know a new orleans training camp isn't isn't like most training camps you know it's it's it's extremely physical and all these guys have been downhill all these young kids have been looking really good um you know i think i had a one-handed catch the other day and and so he's looking, he's looking promising, man. And really looking forward to, you know, seeing what we do on the backfield. Because this offense truly has a, you know, has a well-rounded attack. You know, we have talent everywhere. And I'm just excited to get on the field with the guys. We can't wait to watch it, buddy.

We're very thankful you took time out of your day to join us. We didn't have a relationship with the Saints at all, I don't think. No, not really. Who was old cuz? Defense came on a couple times. Mario Davis. Mario came on a few times. That was awesome.

Hasn't been in a bit. Lutz. Will Lutz came in 1L in Will's name. Cam Jordan. Tom Jordan just signed a new team. Ricky Williams was just on. I don't think that was through the Saints. We're very thankful that you joined us.

Shout out to the Saints PR people for making this happen. Obviously, Le Fleur de Lis right behind you looks beautiful. And we can't wait to watch you back on the field. We're lucky you're back in the NFL. We appreciate you, Jimmy. Yeah, man. Also, congratulations on ESPN. Thanks.

Wow. I mean, unbelievable. Obviously, you guys deserve it. It's a special thing, you know, to, I mean, you know, you guys are changing, you know, You guys are changing the game. Jimmy, stop. I don't want to hear it. Shut up. Get back to football.

No, no, no. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable to see, man. So I'm looking forward to being on more and more over the next year. Oh, you're enjoying starting season? Of course. Have to. That's cool.

Dude, we appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, what are your thoughts on funnel cakes in beignets down there? What are your thoughts on the beignets? I mean, beignets are amazing, but I don't eat fried food or sugar, so I can't do it. You know, I can't do it. Superheroes. I thank God there's people like you out there. Yeah, I need them.

I would, though. I would, sir. You eat candy all day. You do, yeah. Yeah, you're a fat ass, though though. I would, sir. I used to eat candy all day. You do, yeah. Yeah, you're a fat ass, though. This dude ran a 4.51 last week, dude. Right here, eating candy every single day. Unbelievable.

He's built different. He's built different. That's why. Trust me, I played him plenty of times, bro. He's built different. Nobody's got him. Nobody's got his mindset, bro. Back taking cheap shots on you or anything?

Talking shit? He talking shit to you? Him? Every time I played him. That dude, bro, that dude hit me late or low almost every time I talked to him. I don't know how many times we talk shit towards each other, but I'm sure I said some stuff to him. We both hate each other when we play. You better get your big ass down.

That's what you better do before you come over here, because I'm going to hit your ass low every time. Well, I'm happy you guys made amends, and you and John Gruden are going to do the same. Ladies and gentlemen, the most interesting man on earth, Jimmy Graham. Thank you. Jimmy! This now is a man who's won a major before. What? Oh, yeah.

He's won a U.S. amateur before. What? Whoa. He's won college before. What? Geez. This past weekend, Andy Greenbrier in beautiful West Virginia shot a 58 on Sunday to win a live event, and I assume he just got broken off big time.

Ladies and gentlemen, a man who was once 140 pounds, then 270 pounds, driving the ball 390 yards, then 330 yards. Dyson DeChambeau. What's up, dude? What's up, everybody? How you doing? Hey, sorry for making you wait. I do apologize.

Literally, as you sat down on the thing... I'm not ready to walk. You got to do what you got to do. We would have understood completely with it all. Literally, as you sat down on the thing... I was not ready to walk. You got to do what you got to do. We would have understood completely with it all. I actually thought about that as I was coming out of the john. I'm like, oh, shit. D. Sham, we got to go.

We appreciate you for waiting. And congrats on the big win. That's Greenbrier. All right, let's dive into this. You're the first golfer we've talked to since the entire development of Liv. And we saw a couple of your press conferences. we don't need to ask you those questions but we don't certainly want to talk about it all now when you decided to join live alongside many other legends and start this new league and now obviously the pga and live have merged to become one entity what does that

mean none of us know but we'll certainly find out feels like the pga just got a shit ton of money from saudi arabia which you know was kind of the conversation at the beginning of the whole thing What does that mean? None of us know, but we'll certainly find out. Feels like the PGA just got a shit ton of money from Saudi Arabia, which was kind of the conversation at the beginning of the whole thing, but neither here nor there. What you thought live was going to be versus what it has been. What were your expectations? What are your thoughts now? What do you think it looks like next year? Just like how has the live experience been versus what you thought it was going to be

whenever you signed up for it at the beginning? Well, I mean, look, owning a team is huge from my perspective. And I think there's a lot of untapped potential that honestly just wasn't there before Liv. And look, nothing against the PGA Tour, nothing against anyone. It's just it was a financial decision first off. And I think the other part of it was I got to own a part of a team. When do you ever get, as a person, get to own a part of a team. Like when do you ever get as a person get to own part of a team? It's not very often.

So that was a big thing. I think it's honestly exceeded a lot of my expectations. I didn't know the tournaments were going to be run this well. And it's, they've done a great job with it. Every single week we're out there. It feels like a very, very difficult golf tournament.

Last week though, it was a little different. Kind of four shots away from 54 million. That's what I was thinking about. I don't know. It just crossed my mind. Is that real? That's real. Oh, my. Did you have the Justin Thomas chip out? I don't think I saw every single...

Do you have four rim jobs that potentially had you at 54 million? Okay, so number eight, I bogeyed. Number 11, I left out. Number 13, I left out. Number 13, I missed it by like four inches. And 14, I left it short in the heart. So there were definitely four shots where I could have shot 54.

I would have been sick. Hey, that's golf, though. I mean, literally, you know, I shot 104 at Tahoe. I shot 104 at Tahoe, and there was like 20 chips I couldn't have duffed. 75. Yeah, there was a lot that I could have gone. You're a little bit different. 58's a hell of a round. You'll get 54.

We know you'll get 54. One day. And last question for me before AJ has one. You talked about the golf being fun and everything like that. I watch it on CW, and with the music blaring and the shotgun start, and as little as this sounds, and i'm sure it's great for you guys but like the shorts sometimes i don't know if it's a big shot or not for the person if that makes uh complete sense like there was a seven footer i think somebody was trying to roll in

and i do believe wow wow wow from t-pain yeah was playing maybe on the green i don't know if it was off the green or on the green. And it was like a miss. And then as I was watching, I'm like, kind of feels like it's an exhibition, but there's obviously a lot. Is that something that trickles in while you're playing? Or do you think that changes it? Are you focused as if it is like major every single time? And how are you able to do that?

So the music actually drowns out a lot of the crowd. So it allows us to focus a lot better sometimes when it's dead quiet and then something goes off it distracts us a lot of times now because the music's going and people are talking it's hustle bustle you actually feel a lot more comfortable it's kind of like waste management 16 um i don't know if you've been there but that's great that's a lot more than what's out here but it's a little bit like that where it just drowns out the crowd where we're able able to just go up and focus and hit shots. So, to be honest, it's a huge benefit for a guy like me or Dustin or Brooks

or whatever. I mean, I grew up playing music all the time during golf rounds. And I think that as people have gotten more comfortable with it over time, everybody loves it. Everybody thinks that, oh, my gosh, it's going to distract you. No, if anything, it helps us lock in and focus. And when a banger comes on, it's hard not

to start vibing a little bit. You're out there dancing. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, I love that. Hit the ball 390 instead of 370. Go ahead, AJ. Here Comes the Boom is my song, so I try and blast it off. You make a request to the motherfuckers at the T-Bone. Here Comes the boom, please.

It's my walkout song. Need it played as soon as I come out of this port-a-john over here. I'm going to take a piss, and then when I'm walking out, I need that thing. Go ahead, AJ. Bryson, the clip that's everywhere now, I'm sure people have asked you about it. Did you take all of Phil's money in that practice round when he was talking to you about the bet you guys were doing? I can't imagine how many bets he has going on every single round he plays but that was very interesting clip to watch yeah no it was a

lot of fun it's on my youtube channel um we got a match between uh myself and phil and he actually took some money off me that day but it gave me a little bit of um passion to go and kick his ass love that so my question, when he says 1G for nine, that's $100,000 actually? Not just $1,000,000? You guys are speaking in code? It's a million. I only made three last week. We thought so.

Because we had heard about the deals you guys were getting and the grants felt like a scratch off. What are we? A grant? Who cares? That makes sense. It's actually It just felt like a scratch off. You know, like, what are we? A grand? Who cares? You know what I mean? Who cares? It makes sense. So it's actually, what is that?

100,000 eggs. Yeah. One is a thousand. It's 100,000 eggs. You got that math. And you can press for 500K, not a million, though, it sounds like. Yes. Only half, not a full mil, all right?

Phil's like, you're not taking my plane from me today, all right? We're doing this. So I am a pretty good- That's your money. Hell yeah, absolutely. I'm a pretty good mathematician because my profession that I used to do

involved yardages, right? Like quick math, here we go. Balls at this. Need the ball to be fair caught at this yard line. That is as I'm jogging

on the field. This is what a successful operation is. Trying to do it quickly, okay? Some of the places it's hard to find the exact yard line that it's on around the stadium. I didn't know you thought that much yeah yeah well thank you a lot

of people don't think i have a brain i did i i did think but like your golf is that is are you still that way have you changed the way because i think whenever you came in to be this super bryce adisham bro it was like this super nerd meathead who bombs the ball. But then when you're putting, it's like a, well, we need like 64% times, like six,

7%. I'm a robot. You still do that. Is it still the same way? Do you have to dial that back? Uh, it's the same process. I just don't explain it as much.

So everybody doesn't freak out. Everybody was sick of hearing me talk about it. So like good self-awareness. No, you still like that though? Still the same thing. You're just going. Yeah, for sure going yeah for sure we have a process like how much wind's gonna affect the shot how much rough's gonna what percentage is gonna uh how much is the rough gonna affect the ball um wetness a bunch of that but we just kind of already have it in the back

of our minds and we don't really talk about it too much because that's kind of some of the secrets to my sauce how far are you hitting the driver right now is it are you the same meathead that you were when you were eating what nine protein shakes a day or something yeah i think it's gonna take probably like three drives to get to my drive but other than that my drives yeah it's about three 370 yeah three i like that your answer is talking shit. I genuinely like, are you hitting like 370 still though? So it was number seven last week. I was 15 years old. Actually like five or six yards away from the front edge of the green.

That was like a 380 yard hole. So I pumped that one. Yeah. I did it about 340, 350 in the right conditions pretty consistently. Yeah. With the right wind and the water. That's right, the water. You have the moisture, air density.

You got it. Yeah, and how many gas cars are being sold versus how many electric cars are being sold? How warm is it? It depends on whether it's the northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere, you know. Holy shit. Because I think you put me in the right hemisphere.

That's been my problem. I've been playing golf this whole time in the wrong hemisphere. Truly. I'm starting to figure it out. The world's the other direction, down south. Hey, tell those live folks, $200 million, $300 million. I mean, I'll come play in any hemisphere they absolutely need. Are you playing your best golf right now?

You feel like you're all the way back. Obviously, 58 could add to 54. Are we going to see you? Are we back, Beck? I believe so. I mean mean my hand feels great uh 61 58 got a new driver in the back feeling super comfortable putting well i've always put it pretty good uh wedging it well i feel like i'm back are you guys in mid-season or what do you have going on right now with the live schedule we have three we have three more events left and then uh off season for us has it

calmed down with all the heat since the beginning and like pga signing the merger does that make a lot of weight off your shoulders yeah it's been crazy man there was so much controversy at the beginning and i really wish people would have just asked questions rather than you know made judgments on their own and and so many people didn't ask questions about why, what's going on, why is this happening, how is it happening. And so they just made judgments on all of us. It's like, dude, ask us questions. We're here to answer for you.

You may not have all of them, all the answers for you guys, but it sucks that people made assumptions without asking questions in the beginning. A lot's changing now. You can see a lot of players look like they were in the right, and a lot of people are trying to put out fires on the other side. Yeah, speaking of fires trying to be put out right now, Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Bryson, so all the news about the merger came out,

and there was a bunch of rumors and stuff like that. Have you guys actually heard anything concrete about what the merger is going to look like between you and you guys in the PGA Tour? Zero. No way. Everybody's saying that, but that feels like bullshit. How does everybody have no idea? Well, it's

because there's about four or five people making probably all the decisions, and it's not a bad thing. I mean, I trust the guy that's out there. He has our best interest at heart. I mean, when I the guy that's out there. He has our best interest at heart. I mean, when I met Yasser Echi three, four years ago, he always had this vision for golf. He always cared about golf and like, look,

this game needs to move in a more positive direction. Love Tiger. Love everything he's done for the sport, but it's not going to last forever. We need something to jolt and jumpstart this sport. And he had an idea with Performance 54, and ultimately he provided the capital behind it. And all of us players saw the vision. We all got equity in the team. Us principal players got equity in the team. We built our teams out, and we moved forward from there. And a lot of us were tired of the other side. A lot of us were frustrated. Look, I have no problem with them.

I would love to play in tour events if they allowed me back. But a lot of it was just frustrating. There were numerous times where we would talk about, hey, this is what we want done. It's supposed to be a player-run organization. None of it's getting done. Why can't this change? Why is this not changing? And certainly, Live Provides is a better opportunity, and that's ultimately

why a lot of us went over. Obviously, people are going to talk about the money. That's no doubt. Yeah, certainly good. Jon Rahm just talked about not having port-a-johns in every hole. He's been asking for that for years. Jon Rahm's like, can we just piss, maybe? You know, that would be...

He needs to get equity or royalties off of every Porter John sold. Yeah, no, no doubt. He should get a sponsorship. There's some big money in the dumpster and Porter John business for sure. But like, then we, I think during the merger is when idiots like me, I watch every single weekend.

I, I, you know, cause especially now I got a baby. So I'm watching a lot of, I, well, my, my wife gave birth to the baby obviously obviously but got one baby is is certainly there like i watched golf i didn't know nearly enough about it though about like the no guaranteed contracts having to pay out of your pocket if you have a bad week you're losing money to go participate in these particular tournament like we were learning all those things like kind of in real time yeah as was all being announced right and it was like oh my they had a lot of things that could potentially be attacked.

Like, hey, these are a lot of flaws in the year 2020, 2021 with how much money you're making that you should not have. And it felt like, okay, they took advantage of that. But it sounds like there was also a vision alongside of that that you all really fell in love with. What is the vision? How long do you think is being projected for like until team golf and other things that Liv has brought in are more so the focus of golf as opposed to just like the also golf, if that makes sense?

Look, I think the individual titles will always be there. But adding another layer of team golf, I think needs to be there. It has to be there for fans to interact from a fantasy perspective, gambling perspective, whatever that is. I think it's crucial for the game of golf to grow um i don't know what else to say other than the vision that was given to us was incredibly interesting to own a part of a team and to be able to have control over a team and to have a voice i mean that was our biggest problem whether it was i'm not gonna speak for anybody else but for me i really never had a voice and it was frustrating that my caddy's stuff wasn't getting taken care of i had to take care

of everything uh on that end um you know hotels weren't taken care of just little things that continue to add up over the course of time that just ultimately led to a decision moving over here it's very very frustrating yeah and you're seeing hundreds of millions of dollars in deals being signed too and it's like you're nickel and diming me for no reason right now like this doesn't have to happen i'm looking over at patrick mahomes getting a crazy and albeit he deserves all of that i'm not saying anything else but relative to us there was we were not getting paid close to 50 of revenue not even close and they can tell you that all day long but i know numbers i know the facts on that end that it was nowhere near 50 percent revenue share at all well we wouldn't want you to start talking about these numbers

because people got sick of hearing you talk about math anyways yeah yeah yeah go ahead no i'm kidding that's true you're everything you said was right go ahead aj bryson is uh it feels like from the outside looking in that live is more of like a collaborative environment for you guys as players are you guys in constant communication you guys kind of i guess set the the tone for what the tour looks like and obviously make adjustments as you go yeah definitely i mean this vision is going to be a 30 40 year vision where the franchises are going to be just as important as the individual titles in some capacity. This is not like a, oh, splash in the pan sort of thing. I know from the PIF that they want to make this a very profitable enterprise,

one that works for both sides. This is not a destructive league. This is a collaborative league, and we've wanted to be that way from day one. It's just unfortunate that the other side wasn't willing to talk initially. What are some changes that the players have made since the start of live that you think that you can point to and be like feels like they're at least listening to some of the shit that we're saying oh yeah absolutely whether it's shorts or shocking starts or uh push nails uh or taking care of caddy's uh travel needs um you guys are fine on that the the way that are the teams are paid out the structure of how it will continue to be paid out over the course of time

based on guaranteed contracts. So, like, I'll pay to have a player. I'll pay out the contract through that and have bonus structure at the end of the year based on how many tournaments he wins and all that. It's a little different out here. And we're still working on all those details because, again, this is only just a year old. But it's getting to that place where it's going to be more like a soccer league where you get bonus structure space and how well you perform and NFL and all that. A 30 to 40 year vision makes sense because everybody's talking about they don't care about making money.

They're just trying to ruin golf. Right. That was the thing. They don't care about making money. Well, that's the thing, though, Bryson, because any business nowadays, especially with these VCs who don't have the PIF money, and I don't think anybody does. They're trying to, though. These VCs, when they invest in a company, they'll dump billions of dollars. If they think there's going to be more billions coming back 20 years, 30 years from now, they have that money.

And they're like, yeah, we will dump, dump, dump, dump. They have that money, and they're like, yeah, we will dump, dump, dump, dump. And then if it's going to come back at some point, that's the difference between those who are hilariously wealthy versus those who are just trying to get rich in this entire thing. They view it 50 years, 30 years down the road, and that seems like that's what you got. We never heard that. I don't think that has been – the length of this thing has never been talked about.

It's always been like they're just trying to come in, shake it up, and then we haven't really heard anything. They're playing 3D chess. That's pretty sick because we're in the third dimension too. That's right. If they're playing 4D chess. Man. Oh.

Look out. Oh, my God. They're on ayahuasca. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Bryce. Actually, one of the things that's been going on, and I believe john rom also mentioned this too was the rider cup has there been any sort of update on that and

is that something that all golfers are on the same page because even rom said like hey look everybody should be able to play whether they're in live or in the pga and have you heard anything about possibly playing i mean there's been a lot of talk about it. I'd love for you guys to keep talking about it because I'd love to represent my country as well as Taylor Gooch, who's won three times this year. Or you've got Brooks Capu, who won a major. And DJ is always incredible on the Ryder Cups. I think we all deserve an opportunity to be talked about for the Ryder Cup

because it's not about PGA. This is about your country. America. I mean, you've got to realize the Ryder Cup is country. Come on, for or this is about your country. America. I mean, you've got to realize the Ryder Cup is country. Come on, for country. America. So John Rahm's right. He's been neutral in this whole process and I love John and the way he speaks about

this whole thing is beautiful. He is an eloquent speaker relative to the whole situation and I can't thank him enough, to be honest, for his neutral opinion on it. Yeah, he's on the different Ryder Cup sides, so fuck him. Also, we do appreciate him. We do appreciate everything.

He's great for golf. I absolutely love him. Another thing that was great for golf for a while, and you just complimented him, Brooks, you guys had some moments on the internet where you didn't necessarily love each other, and we respect it. We appreciate it.

Because in our sport, that type of stuff happens. Whenever there's competitive juices, there's a chance. Golf seemingly, no matter what, great work, great job. You just beat me for $2.5 million. You did so good. I don't understand how it always happens. But golf has a great amount of class and etiquette and everything like that. Sometimes. golf has a great amount of class okay and etiquette and everything like that so you sometimes well i don't well that's what you and brooks i think we're trying to showcase there but what made you

guys kind of become friends and get past it and was there a moment pre-live that maybe set up for you guys to be friends or was it when you got to live a bunker mentality kind of brought you guys together yeah i think the writer cup we kind of squashed a lot of what was going on um we realized we were going to play for our country and not for our own personal uh advantage and whatnot um the pip stuff helped uh we definitely thought that there was a playoff of that uh but there was there was beef back in the day and i think as time's gone on as we've gotten older especially going to live we realized that we're all in this together and we got to figure out a way to make it make sense for everyone. And I think we all held the same belief on both sides of the coin when it came to the franchise model, how the structures are set up, what needs to be done in order to make this a growing in the game potential

that we think it could be. Just on numerous subjects, we just kept hitting the line and we're like, well, we believe the same thing. All right, cool. And so over the course of time, it's just become more of an understanding that we're on the same page and we respect each other in that regard. Oh yeah. Thank you for that.

Let's go. There's a couple of majors there in a row where it was live guys competing against PGA guys. And it was like, man, it really, it really does feel like the live team is like a, cause we see the videos of you guys on those 757s at bars. You know, I see Patty Perez having a time of his life. Dustin Johnson doing his thing.

It's like. He's the man. Yeah. Great hair. Love everything about him. The way he's spoken about his trip to Liv has been hilarious too. Like, fuck you guys. How about that?

Yeah. I haven't been home for 40 years straight. Okay, now they're offering to pay me more money and I'm able to go home every once in a while. Why don't you get off my ass? I love...

There's no choice. There's no choice for me. It was obvious. Yeah, I think so too. Just some of those full swings I was watching. Brooks was one of them. Also, Cuzzy from

Hilarious Dude. He once chipped a ball through his ferrari oh shoot oh you watch those full swing things and it's immediately like yeah definitely take a hundred million dollars guaranteed right now no question if you had to do it but also i think for live like poulter is a good person to get in there yeah great personality feels like there was like proper recruiting on who to who to bring in there for the first round. I'm excited to see if there's – is there going to be more, you think, with the PGA merger?

What do you think about that? I'm sure there will be. I can't speak much on that. Oh, we're holding things back. Oh. Bryson, do you get a fee if you bring anybody over? Finders. Finders. Oh, yeah, finders fee. No, no you bring anybody over? Finders. Finders.

Oh, yeah, finders fee. No, no, no. There's nothing like that right now. At least that I know. I don't know about that. So this would be you signing people to your team? Or this would be somebody getting a new team? Yeah.

So I could sign people to my team if I wanted. So at the end of this year, if somebody doesn't play well and they're outside the top 24, I can easily go pick someone. Do people get kicked off the lift? Oh yeah, so there's relegation. The bottom four finishers in the individual title

during the year just get relegated back to the Invitational Series. The International Series. That's right. Yeah, you don't even know. We don't know the name. They're basically never played. No, no, no.

Well, hey, look, I'm a captain, so. That's right. And a founder and an owner. Yeah, learn the system. Learn the system, Bryson. So they do get. I always get the mix. It's either International Invitational Series.

So there is movement there. Okay. At least we know that there's going to be changes. He's saying. There could be trades too. So there's, there's a, one of the 20 guys that could easily be moved or,

or someone else could be pick them or trades or draft, whatever. There's a lot of movement that could happen. Just like the NFL draft can happen. That's what we're trying to eventually set up and make happen for golf as well. So there's PGA guys coming over to live. Yeah.

This guy just horribly said. Maybe. Never know. You do though. I'm not saying anything, guys. Don't put me in the corner. Come on, Bryson. This show stinks. Nobody's watching. Nobody is watching.

Nobody will see this. If you say it, it's like a tree falling in a woods. You know what I mean? I hear you. I'm going to like a tree falling in a woods. You know what I mean? I hear you. I mean, look, I'm going to dangle that carrot in front of you guys and just let you play for it. Oh, it's good TV. It's a good teaser.

McElroy's going. Last question. Wow. Wow. Rory, go over. Rory. Oh, my God. Actually, they're going to have Rory, Jordan Spieth, Ricky Fowler,

and another one. Might as well. Come on. Another one. Might as well throw in Tiger. Yeah, probably Justin Thomas. Heartbreaker. Man. Heartbreaker. Justin Thomas is another guy. No guaranteed money all season.

Yeah. Right? Bring him in. Hell of a player. Billy Orschel is another one. Who? Billy Orschel. Well.

Oh. He's got the carry now. How many people are on your teams? There's four 12 teams of four Any of those four Just becoming the PGA team In live

Would be must watch There may be two more teams being added We don't know Okay Okay We're starting to get more and more here. Let's keep going. Nobody's watching, remember?

Nobody's going to hear anything about this. All right? Nobody's going to know. Eight more players, it seems. Okay. Okay. That's what it sounds like. I love hearing it.

Last question here, D. Shambo. Golf addict, Pac-Man Jones. What's up, D? I had a chance to go to waste management. I think the atmosphere was way better than a PGA atmosphere. I think it was more involving the kids, the parents, the younger age, the older age. My question to me is like playing in Dallas and going playing in Jacksonville. Do you feel that it's more people at the live events from when you played in the PGA?

It depends. I mean, I would say in Adelaide, it was humongous crowds. It was 80,000. Drinking. It's insane. Yeah, we're all enjoying our time throwing stuff around, bantering with us, by the way.

The crowd banters with us quite a bit. So we throw stuff back at them quite a bit, too. It's a lot of fun. You should go check it out. It's a sweet environment. I will say, too, that we're working on home locations. You know how you got your home game advantage? Home game advantage, right?

It's the same sort of thing. Home field advantage we're all working on. That's a part of the plan in the future is to start building golf courses in areas where our teams are located. Which course would be your home course? It'd be in Dallas. I'm not going to say anything. This guy. Come on.

Jeez Louise. Unbelievable. We appreciate you. Hey, do you have a tournament this weekend? Yeah. Bedminster. My 23rd right here. I didn't know what that word meant to be honest i saw it above your head i saw it above your head i had no clue what that was like is that a bed is that a bed bed company is that a type of yeah mattress yeah mattress sales company exactly what is bedminster

where are we is that over that feels like england that's new jersey oh okay england new jersey not old jersey new jersey got it new jersey you're in bedminster new jersey this weekend England. New Jersey. Not old Jersey. New Jersey. Got it. You're in Bedminster, New Jersey this weekend? Is that where we're at? That's where the tournament is. Dude, that sounds like an England. Alright, CW. You like CW coverage? They're awesome.

I mean, they're a great partner. They are growing. The sports division is getting bigger. I think it was ACC they took over, right? So they're moving. They did. And they also have... I'm not announcing anything. I don't know what has been announced, what hasn't been announced.

That's Dr. Angelo Carrot. You're doing the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Not telling you, asshole. How about that? We appreciate you. Good luck in New Jersey.

Thank you for everything you bring to golf, and good luck the rest of the way. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, Bryson DeChambeau. Yeah! All right, so eight players, sounds like, right? Two more teams?

Two new teams. Man, who's coming over? Who is it? That PGA team would be awesome. If they all wore pants. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? They should.

Did the full thing. Tucked in. Oh, my God. That would be awesome. It's like the NWO coming in. Yeah. That would be spectacular. And I think Justin Thomas,O coming in. Yeah. That would be spectacular. And I think Justin Thomas, you know, has a little axe to grind with some golfing.

Yeah, right. That's how he's playing. They've got three more tournaments here. Three more, he said. Bedminster. That sounds like an English town. Yeah, 100%. Like Westminster.

Bingo. That's what it is, right? And Northminster. Yeah. And Southminster. And then Bedminster. Mm-hmm. Sleepminster. Oh, that Southminster. And then Bedminster. Mm-hmm. Sleepminster.

Oh, that's a Connors guy golf course. That's a smelly town in Jersey. Is that what you're saying? No. Oh, it's a Trump golf course is what Zito just told me. Oh, really? Three of those. I think a lot of those on the live circuit.

Did you guys golf? Yeah. More than one. Everybody's really mad about this? Sweet. How much are you guys paying to rent a golf? Well, Jordan Poyer found out. Cost a little more to pay.

But he put it back on. Yeah, they shut it down for a day because some of the sponsors pulled their stuff. It's a wild time to be alive, dude. Very. Especially for those guys, too. Especially when PGA merges with them out of nowhere. They'd be like, wait a minute.

Victory lap. Are you kidding? Not not only victory lap but we were getting yeah yeah by the pga head of the pga is like hope every swing they take they can think about what they're yeah yeah all those families that died in 9-11 yeah it's like holy shit that is all right that's like, holy shit. That is... All right. That's like... Neither side's coming back. You know, like, Morgan Wall has that song. Last night, we were at the liquor talk. You know what I mean?

And it's funny that he has that song because what he did talk about when he was liquor talk a few years ago, he has somehow survived. But there's, like, some things, I think, like, in any relationship that gets said, and it's like, okay, well, not going to be able to come back from that one. Wombscams and Siobhan during the last episode.

Bingo. Like, all right, you're kind of, we understand there's bantering happening, but then you cross. All right, so now it's over forever. That's it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Felt like that happened.

Yeah. You know, from the PGA side towards the live players. Mm-hmm. You motherfuckers weren't even giving us guarantee. What are we talking about? This is a one-way contract, not even a two-way contract. We're not even, I'm the best. Okay.

And I got to pay to get here? The whole tail? Mm-hmm. And then just what, a year later? Yeah. It's like, we thought about those families, and we've decided that if everybody else couldn't take it, I guess we should too. Nobody knows anything about this, but we just signed for

an undisclosed amount of billions of dollars. Alright, see you later. And I'm sick. I'm out of here for the next three weeks. Which is why it makes sense that Phil's been playing every event with his penis hanging out of his trousers because he is just the king. I mean, you go back and look at the tape. Phil's just been letting his

dong hang out because he won. He's the champion. I mean, yeah, you go back, look at the tape. Phil's just been letting his dong hang out because he won. He's the champion. The sitting gum. I didn't know that happened. Yeah, exactly. Yep. I don't know if it was him. Just meet out every time, every round.

Yep, not practice rounds. I don't think it was in the Bryson video, but once they get there on Fridays, he unzips the pants. Did they blur it on CW? Did they blur it? No. I don't think so. They're allowed to show it.

Bro, it is hard. I didn't want to get into it because he said CW? They blur it? I don't think so. I don't think they're allowed to show it. Bro, it is hard. I didn't want to get into it because he said CW's amazing partners. And CW is – Hard? Golf, yes. Golf is hard. Not as dumb. Phil, yes.

Yeah, he is. Well, he might be. Usually after the turn. Tough to swing around that. Yeah. Well, he tees up. Well, especially for Phil. But, like, whenever you think about him talking about the TV coverage,

I don't think anybody's watching him. No, they're not. At all. But this is one of those things, just like what Liv is saying, like 30, 40 years, like CW is starting to really invest in sports. So I think this transition era of like One Tree Hill and these other shows and then golf is happening. I think there's a time coming very soon where they're buying up rights to stuff where it's going to become a sports channel so maybe it'll be more a little bit more comfortable or in people's routine yeah to go check it out to watch some of the golf but like they're gonna have to fix that score thing on the side some other stuff i don't know who's going what is the merger i want to know what this

merger means honestly what does golf look like next year nobody two years nobody knows dude i don't get it. Need a tracker, too. Whenever they went over to Europe and did that thing, I understand the prestige of the game, and it's beautiful and everything like that, and congrats to who went over there? That was Brian Hartman, I believe. Brian Hartman who won.

It was great golf and everything like that. All we're seeing is swings and then land on. Need the tracker. Need the tracker. Can't watch an event without it. We're at the stage now where we need the tracker. And, like, I think Liv has the tracker on a couple of tee boxes

and they have, like, a cool blue color. They do. Or, like, a pink color. That's sweet. But, like, those other shots, need them. Yeah.

Absolutely need them. Always. Impossible to watch without it. You have it on your... Your cell phone has apps now that does a tracker, but I guess that's not live tracker. Do you have to run back? Like, live tracker's probably a little tougher. Yeah, but I guess that's not live tracker. Do you have to run back?

Live tracker is probably a little tougher. Yeah, but you can be 45 seconds to two minutes delayed. Yeah. Because they're just sending to shots. You can put that in post if you have to, but when we're at Tahoe, we see the thing. It's literally right underneath the camera. Yeah.

Did you see that? It was the top tracer thing? Like the top tracer track man type thing yeah yeah because i was very interested when i turned around i saw it was right underneath the camera it's like oh they just seemingly attach that to the camera and that science whatever the technology is just works it's like need that on every camera okay need to figure that whole thing out well even the thing nick used last year for tahoe to track your shots, just that mobile app on the phone, that didn't work terribly.

It wasn't as if they tracked it. It took like four minutes every shot because you had to put where it landed. It also has to be perfectly still to truly capture it, but you're right. They do have live tracking. Obviously, the PGA Tour is, I know it's not cheap, but Liv has shown they have no reservations about

spending money. How about the bottomless pit of cash? And it keeps growing. Yeah. Every day. Filled that wall over there, too. Sound pretty interesting. What's that? The four teams and adding other teams, adding a home field.

The home course one's smart. Yeah, that's sick. Tiger's coming over, I heard, maybe. He'll let them use a cart. Well, if they're merging. Yeah, that's sick. Tiger's coming over, I heard, maybe. He'll let them use a cart. Well, if they're merging. No, he just got put on the board. Yeah. He's the first player?

Now they're going to really break their heart when he leaves. They know the majority of players, I believe, is what the – What happens when Tiger, who did turn down allegedly a billion to go to live, is a part of a board decision that isn't necessarily the most positive are people gonna turn on tiger well they have heavy as the head pal yeah you sit in that board room and some bad shit comes out everybody knows who's voting in there yeah you know tiger can take it he went through that a couple tough years and he made it up yeah tough years of what tough years of when you know to ty's point about ph, he was slinging his dong around.

Walking around, not caring what time of the month it was. What does that mean? He got a nine iron to the back of his SUV. People forget about that. Heard around the world. That was some real stuff. Great hit, too. It's got to be security footage somewhere.

Allegedly, she kept that left arm straight. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He'd been working with her on the range. And then she even like a flop shot. I think she even had a little. Yeah. She had softball in the blood.

She knew how to turn the hands. Yeah, because you see Charlie swing. You think that's just Tiger? I don't think so. No, no, no, no, no. You know what I mean? Boom. Let the hands go. Yeah. Unbelievable. that's just Tiger? I don't think so. No, no, no, no, no. You know what I mean? Boom, let the hands go.

Unbelievable. Everything okay, AJ? Oh, yeah. I mean, what year was that when that all happened? Seems like 10 years ago if I'm not mistaken. Maybe more. I think it was like 08, 09 maybe? He's come back. Other things have happened. He's still standing. Good for him. Still a good

golfer. I assume he has like the LeBron James thing. Like, I would like to golf against Charlie at an event. Yeah, that'd be sweet. That would be very cool. And I assume he would do really good. Probably win. Yeah, whenever this happens, however old he is, however many more surgeries he has,

when Charlie's in his first event and Tiger's playing in the same one, there's zero chance Tiger lets anybody in that tournament, including his kid, beat him. So that is anybody in that tournament including his kid beat him. That is the lock that I would like to set for. Please, hammer. Don. Don. Please. Don. Please. Lock. Hammer. Hammer. Hammer. Please.

Hit it with some gumption. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. Thank you. I'm happy we bet that. What's that? 10, 15 years from now? How about Junior? Pac-Man Junior? No. Dale?

John Daly. Oh, yeah. You're talking about Lil' John. Lil' John, yeah. Out there in Arkansas. He's got some hands, that guy. He's got good hands. He's going to be a stud as well.

Yeah. That's a future golf, right? Lil' John and Charlie? Yeah. I mean, there's 50 other people we have no idea. Akshay. Yeah, Akshay. Congrats, Akshay. Proud of idea. Akshay. Congrats, Akshay.

Proud of you, Akshay. Charlie, also not the number one player in his class in Florida. Somebody probably hit puberty a little bit before him. Probably hits the ball just a little bit further. And like Blocky said, you hit the ball 30-40 yards.

That's who we gotta be looking out for. If you remember, he said you should see the we got to be looking out for. Is he going to live? If you remember, he said, you should see the way my son hits a golf ball. He said he hits 50, 60 yards further than him. He said, I've seen what golf is like 50, 60 yards ahead with my son.

We play scrambles. I would be better than Rory. Better than Rory. In that clip, you didn't get to explain this, but he understands that having the capability to hit the ball that far might take away a little bit from your short stuff. So he was just speculating that if it was a scramble, if the ball was dropped at this spot

and we just couldn't change anything about my game, we'd be good. Because once you start driving the ball further, you know, muscles start getting a little tighter. That's right. Yeah, a little more sore. A little bit different, you know what I mean? That's why DeChambeau being back is a big deal. We should probably bet on him. He goes to the Spurs. He shot 61 on one day.

61-58. I don't know what his third round was, but I mean, that's pretty good. Third round was 58, I believe. 61 was Saturday. And it was Friday. But what was Friday then? I'm not sure. But I mean, to follow up a 61 with a 58, that's pretty good. Third round was 58, I believe. 61 was Saturday. And then what was Friday? What was Friday then? I'm not sure. But I mean, to follow up a 61 with a 58, that's nuts. Greenbrier's a nice course down there, too. They're in beautiful West Virginia.

West Virginia. It is beautiful. Hey, a lot of people are saying terrible things about this West Virginia football team. I was on a college football call. People aren't saying anything about West Virginia, I thought. Oh! Oh, swing, Hawker! Wow. Nice. I'm just saying, swing, Hawker. Wow.

At least they're talking about it. Under the radar. Good burn, brother. I was on a college football call yesterday, and they did talk about the West Virginia Mountaineers. Thank you, AJ Hawk. Is game day going to the Duquesne game? They did not.

All right. You're being facetious now Enough Just because West Virginia is becoming a recruiting powerhouse And Ohio State is getting a little bit worried I want West Virginia in the Big Ten You know that Let's go to the Big Ten

AJ they gotta earn that first Oh Iowa 131st offense in the fucking country. Keep the offensive coordinator. And guess how many times Iowa's been to the Big Ten Championship in the last five years? Twice, okay? West Virginia hasn't finished above fucking ninth

in the Big 12 since they got there. It's the Big 16! Yeah, okay. I'm sick of this. Anyways, 20 and a half point dogs against Penn State week one. Not bad. This college football call I was on, they were saying rude things.

They were. Hey, Pac, I want to let you know, nobody's saying anything good about this West Virginia football team. And you told me this one of the first times you came here. And my relationship with the West Virginians, obviously, it is is what it is i certainly did my part to get to this part and i feel like there's potentially they did their part to get to where they are but i am much more supportive of west virginia because of what you told me one day where you were like hey if we don't pull for west virginia nobody will he's like nobody's pulling for west great

point and i was like pag you're right man i think you're right those kids that are in that team meeting room now it's much nicer, and we built it. You're welcome with success and everything. Thank you. And everything. And I say we. I was just a part of the team.

I was nowhere near a part of it. But you are welcome for all the very fucking nice shit that you have because of the years of success that we were a part of. But you told me that, and I kind of opened my eyes. There ain't nobody saying anything good about West Virginia at all outside of West Virginia. It is loud. I know.

They're mocking us heavily. You think what A.J.'s doing right there? Pig, by the way. What he was doing is nothing compared to what happened yesterday. It was one person, and then all of a sudden, I didn't even know you could have 150 people on a Zoom call. Bang, boom, boom, pow, bang. Somebody's got orange glasses on for Syracuse.

Boom! I'm like, Syracuse? What? What are you? And then at the moment, though, better than what you're doing. So, Pac, you're right. We're all we got, pal. Yeah, we are, pal. It's going to be we'll see. Maybe a long season. You said undefeated.

I think so. Yeah, maybe. Honestly, I think it's good. It's good. The expectations, so it's all positive. season you said undefeated i think yeah maybe honestly we're winning more than three games it's good no like the expectations like so it's all positive i think more than three games is that what you said you got a tough schedule i don't think it was somebody said yeah i i would take the under of two and a half for sure duquesne dub penn state dub pit dub welcome back texas tech dub tcu might be a problem all rightCU might be a problem, all right? They might be a problem. I get it. They lose 55 points to Georgia.

People forget that they're, you know. A good program. That's a good program, Donner. Sonny Dice runs a good program, Donner. 2K is the only game you can look up here and be like, yeah, what are you going to win? I think Houston and Cincy you get for sure. Houston are winning. We're going to win.

Apparently Houston's in a not a good spot right now either. What happened? There's not a good spot right now either. What happened? There's not a lot of talent coming back. There's rumors Dana might be gone before that West Virginia game even happens. Their basketball coach got pulled over for DUI. Had to get let go. We're talking about football, but I do appreciate you getting through the weeds on everything. Thank you for keeping up with every D1.

If they hire him back, so what? I think we get three or four. Huggy was a little boozed up driving around. Still got the rifle team. No, I'm talking about West Virginia. We don't need more West Virginia shots. We're talking about Houston right now. I'm saying I will come to the defense of West Virginia if they

reinstate Huggy. I mean, Boeheim killed a guy, and he's still coaching for Syracuse. Allegedly, we don't know what all happened there. There's a lot of Syracuse. Allegedly, we don't know what all happened there. There's a lot of things that have happened around sports, but that Huggins situation needs to disappear in my eyes. Well, he's – I was going to say, he never resigned.

He's still technically the head coach. That's Ford's signature. It's probably tooth and nail. He says he's going to sue him. Yeah. Good. Got his guy currently coaching, and then Bob Huggins is currently out sitting in the stands like, yeah, I'm going to burn

this place down. Those are my boys. Get me back on that sideline. Yeah. Coach, you had like 40 beers falling out of the car. Oh, big deal. Oh, you can't prove I drank all of them that night. Coach, it wasn't night.

It was like a Friday afternoon. Coach, it was like two weeks after what you did on the radio show. Oh, what did I do. I bet that too. That was bad. I didn't say anything. Anyway, we need to get that all figured out. Yep. Okay?

But West Virginia is climbing. Yeah. Mountaineers. Trust it. That's what we're doing. You know, along the climb, you lose some good soldiers. So eventually, someone's going to have to take Neil Brown and shoot him in the head. And then once that happens,

figuratively, figuratively, not literally, and once that happens and maybe, you know, you get into Legacy, Blaine Stewart, perhaps. This is certainly the last opportunity for old Neil Brown. Do you think John Gruden would take the gig? I don't know if we need to be the school

that necessarily does that whole thing. Especially with the radio interviews. You can't really have him. It's just crisis after crisis seemingly at West Virginia right now. But we're going to get on the other side of it. And our football team is going to win 10, 11 games. Shock the world. 10, 11 games.

Coach Gibby would be awesome. The next decade. Rich Rodriguez back in there would be awesome. I don't know how long he'd last in there. 2023. No, he's back. I don't know, bro. I know he there, 2023. He's back. I don't know, bro. I know he's back.

He's a good football coach. But there's a chance something's coming out of that mouth. That is certainly might be a little bit too much heat. Yeah. And all of a sudden, there's another lawsuit coming. Yep. There's another whole thing. You know, it's just a how do we get out of it?

Who knows? I'm excited to watch, though. We will see. Garrett Green, GG, quarterback, dog. He's going to lead the boys 10-11 wins this year. Okay. Running back. Go possible.

Paid dog. Not just paying money to nobody. No. Well, apparently we're paying a guy who ran a 4-2 last year or whatever. He didn't give him a goddamn. Yeah, he gets them all. How did we lose so many games with that guy on the field? Had 10 catches.

I don't know how that happens. Who's that? Graham Harrell, offensive coordinator. Yeah. Who is that? He's gone. He's out of there. I know.

He hit the casino, hit the table, and got the hell out of there. Well, plus, apparently, Graham Harrell's private. Graham's a man. He certainly is. I learned some more stories about him. Love that guy. Absolutely love it. There's some stuff going on right now in Washington as we wrap up the show.

Speaking of what we just spoke about with Rick Rodriguez, him just being a pretty intense human being and, you know, trying to really exhaust all words to make sure you are the most motivated you could possibly be. Allegedly, Ron Rivera over there at Washington Commander said some players have come in and talked to him about Biennium's intensity and the things that he has said. Now, we have heard a lot of things about Biennium from Shady McCoy.

He's really the only person that we've heard speak about Eric Biennium. I will say, during quarterback, didn't see a lot of Patrick and Coach Biennium in quarterback figuring things out. A lot of the former Chicago coach Nagy motivating, telling him those things in his ear. A lot of Andy Reid coming over and talking. I think Biennemi was in there like once or twice maybe, you know? And the old conversation was Andy Reid's the one calling those plays. That's why Eric Biennemi's not getting the job. Now there's some other things that certainly came up in conversation, but the reason why Eric

Biennemi, who's been the offense coordinator for the Chiefs for so long, hasn't been able to get a head coaching job is because the entire NFL knows Andy Reid is the reason why that drink is as tasty as it is. So when Eric Bien-Ami has to go to the Commanders to kind of prove himself seemingly, that's what it feels like. We weren't necessarily thrilled for Bien-Ami.

We thought it was kind of bullshit that he has to go to another place, leave a winning organization, go to another place and prove himself that he can be a head coach. And then Shady says what he says about him. We all start wondering, how's this going to go? The internet's saying, Ronald Rivera's already throwing Eric Bien-Ami kind of on a rebush.

And the players aren't necessarily in love with the way Bien-Ami's doing things. If they have success, obviously all this subsides. But what are your thoughts on early conversation and controversy about new coaches and buildings, more eric b enemy with the washington commanders well there's a there was a tweet from warren sharp i believe kind of explaining what what exactly happened and like how it's kind of it's unique situation i guess you bring this new oc everyone knows b enemy and the head coach he didn't completely support b enemy he said why don't you go talk to him not like hey i'll talk I'll talk to it. I'll figure it out together.

And I mean, everyone knows Bien-Ami is a hard-driving guy that holds him accountable. Every guy I've ever talked to that's played on a team that he's coached, and they say they love and respect him. His guys absolutely have to play for him. I'm reading this quote. The second one, really hilarious. The first one, have players had to adapt to Eric Biennium's intensity and have any struggled with it, coach? Yeah, they have. And one of the biggest things is I had a number of guys come to me and I said, hey, just go talk to him. I said, I understand why he's trying to get across to you. I think as they go and they talk and they listen to him, it's been enlightening for a lot of these guys. I mean, it's a whole different approach. Again, you're getting a kind of player from the

players back in the past, especially in light of how things are coming out of college football. So a lot of these young guys, they do struggle with certain things, and a lot of it is from where they've been. I mean, guys coming from certain programs are used to it. Guys coming from other programs aren't as much. So us as a coach, I kind of have to assimilate and get a feel for everybody. Eric has an approach, and it's the way he does things, and it's not going to change because he believes in it. Jack Del Rio, dust up. It has his approach. Having been a head coach, I think Jack has a tendency to try to figure guys out a little bit more as opposed to, hey, this is it.

This is the way it's going to be, that type of stuff. Eric hasn't had that experience yet. So that last two sentences is really what Ron Rivera's feelings were. And then while they came to you, it's just if they felt like Eric was riding him too hard, well, they were just a little concerned. That's a hilarious thing for Ron Rivera to say. He doesn't hold a lot in. I have a Ron Rivera just being like,

yeah, you know the deal. We just got new ownership. That was a nightmare. I beat cancer. That was a nightmare. New name. Last year had soft-ass coaches this year. Now I got a coach. Have you ever heard of that, Pac? Have you ever heard of that where someone goes to the head coach and says my position coach is too hard on me?

I've never, ever in my whole career ever heard that. Like, the coaches had to have respect for us. Like, I respect you to coach me, but you ain't going to talk to me out of line because then I'm going to talk to you out of line. But as far as in between the lines, you got a job to do, and everybody's playing for a job. So that never bothered me. And Zim is one of the, like, I chased Zim all the way from the fucking 50-yard line

all the way into the locker room one time because he called me a pussy. And I literally went bananas. What was that, pal? But, like, I didn't, once I got it off, it was cool. But like, the way he talked to me about doing my job, I had no problem with. Yeah, and he was saying compared to what you normally are. Yeah. Is what he probably had to explain to you.

Right now. What my expectation is of you. Yeah. Versus what you're doing right now. This is how I see it. Now, how he worded it, obviously not the most appeasing for the person on the receiving end of it all. But there's some old school guys that that's just how they operate. And they have no empathy.

This is our job. Do your job. This is how it goes. But what Ron Rivera said there at the end where it was like, yeah, Jack Del Rio seems like he kind of, you know, tries to understand the humans a little bit. I don't think Eric has really. He doesn't care. He's wearing the high one. That was an interesting. Ron was coaching the enemy a little bit

in that response there. Yeah. Hey, it would be nice, you know, if you – because I got a lot of guys coming here, but this is just commander's football, baby. It ain't like that. This is just commander's football, man. It's not like that in the NFL locker room.

I'm saying you got something to say back, but, like, you can't go to a coach complaining about another coach. The head coach is an interesting move. You got no fear of getting fired. That would have to be – They would normally see him. That would have to be somebody real high up, right, on the team. I don't know.

It could be young guys that just feel comfortable expressing themselves. I have kids tell me all the time, like, at different practices and stuff, like, man, I'm glad that you feel comfortable enough to tell me that but you shouldn't be telling your coaches stuff like that like just how i don't know just weird things that normally you would keep in like oh i don't know coach i'm scared or i don't want to hit or i don't want to do this or i don't want to run a lap i'm like i get it and no one does but you probably don't need to come complain to us every time we have to do anything hey because you know what we're going to do is we're going to try to look out for you and we're probably just going to move you

out of those positions and before you have time to even get out of your fear you're kind of in your own way yeah and i appreciate you being authentic and transparent but also not everybody needs to think that they just have a job all the time yeah sometimes you just have to go sometimes you just have to figure it out and grind through it. Like going to the head ball coach. You know? Bold. I like ways. You know that coach you hired?

He's really been giving me a tough time. It's a fucking NFL trainer. Are you making, league minimum is like what, 800 grand now? Okay. How do you feel about Ron putting it out in the public? Yeah, that's a whole nother, he was coaching Eric Bien-Ami there. And obviously some of the players have told some of the media members that they have complained about the enemy so ron vera knew

that it was getting out ron vera probably knew that because he mentioned jack when he mentions the d coordinator how he handles things i think that's definitely shows you yeah he's definitely coaching up the enemy yeah i think because whenever coaches talk to the media they're talking through the media now everyone should they better be they should be yeah and every once in a while they'll give some bullshit answer and it's like they're just talking to the media they're talking through the media now everyone they should they better be they should be yeah and every once in a while they'll give some bullshit answer and it's like they're just talking to the media there but then once they start giving answers they're talking through the media to the players to the locker room to certain guys you know you'll hear some guys get targeted in press conferences and it's like yeah that's them trying to say like hey you

are in the middle of it right like there are eyes on you or try to motivate like hey i think this guy has done really well they're trying to tell the media, hey, you are in the middle of it, right? Like, there are eyes on you. Or try to motivate, like, hey, I think this guy has done really well. They're trying to tell the media that they have faith in this person. The media has always been a weapon for coaches to get their message across. I don't remember coaches talking to other coaches through the media, though. No. You know what I mean? I don't remember that. That's what this feels like to me.

But like we just mentioned, Commander's football. Commander's football. He fined his defensive coordinator, Jack, a couple years ago, didn't he? I was a little dust up. Yeah. I was a little dust up between Ron and Jack. They settled it. Football, sports, you said, dog.

The BNME thing with the quarterback that you mentioned, I mean, after they won the Super Bowl last year, they all ran to Nagy. It wasn't like, hey, let's go find BNME. They actually showed Mahomes do it, but the entire shot is all the quarterbacks, some wide receivers, then you see Mahomes. They run right to Nagy. Well, he's their QB coach, so they're in there with every day. I guess BNME is the O coordinator, so he probably bops around each room.

But, yeah, I mean, it is telling, especially when they show the game footage where it's Pat and Nagy or Pat and Andy Reid pretty much all the time. Fixing. Hey, what are we doing? We're seeing this. We're doing this. This is what we got going on. It kind of goes to everything that was being said about why he wasn't.

But now he still has a chance to prove himself. We shall see. He's tough. So what? Boo-hoo. What if you win? And why none of this stuff would have ever got out in Kansas City because if they would have went to Andy Reid or someone, they'd have been like, just fucking ignore him. Don't worry about it. He's not doing anything.

Just ignore him. What about him? Oh, Shady. Andy, who cares? Yeah. That guy doesn't know. I'm calling a play. He doesn't do anything.

Oh, he's the offensive coordinator. Okay. You think that's what anybody would say? Ignore him. Fucking ignore him. I'm about sick of the time. We're wasting energy. Yeah, it makes sense.

I need to draw up another play where we're all going to start this. How about Patrick Mahomes drawing up those plays? I've seen everything but the last episode also my whole family from my wife all my kids i've been watching quarterback i walked in the other day and they're all watching dude it's awesome learning about all because we all give andy reed all the credit for all those crazy plays yeah and then we watch that and it's like what do they call that period where they get to come up with their own stuff? Laboratory day. The lab. Yeah, because they're in the lab. And I like the way Patrick Mahomes, and they're all viewing the freedom to do this.

Like, hey, when we show Andy, it's got to be good. Yeah. Like, we can't have this be a half-assed attempt here. Like, whenever we show it to him, it needs to be game rep. So he has a little bit of confidence to call it. I love it. Yeah. I feel like I learned a lot about all those teams.

I can't wait to see quarterback two. So from our sources, there's no worries about quarterback two. Nope. At all. So that's goodness. Okay, good. Yeah, good to know. Trevor Lawrence came out and said he's not ready yet.

He wants to focus on ball. He turned down quarterback season two. We don't know if that's real or not. We assume that there has been a floater. Yep. Did they make a formal? And if they did, we would have loved Trevor on there. But we have also been told that some of the people

that have come out publicly and said, no, I'm Bob Ball, they feel like they're potentially taking a cheap kind of grandstand for their fans, which hey, you do whatever you gotta do. You do whatever you gotta do. Hard Knocks tonight, AJ. You excited to watch

Aaron behind the scenes as the New York Jets? Yes. Hard Knocks is awesome. Then what? They have one Jets drive or whatever. That whole behind the scenes that they follow the team. There's a lot of good stuff. Yeah, I'm excited to watch that this evening.

This is just one step closer to the NFL season happening. We can't wait to watch this episode. I assume the numbers are going to be bananas. This could be a big comeback year for Hard Knocks. Huge. Big time. Could be a big time comeback year for Hard Knocks. Huge. Big time. Could be a big-time comeback year. Hard Knocks needs it.

Obviously, NFL Films absolutely loves Hard Knocks. Game changer. But every social media department has their own Hard Knocks now on a daily, daily basis. You're going to have to innovate again. What do you do? Let's get Aaron Rodgers as a New York Jet. Let's see what takes place. Perfect.

And then they're doing quarterback as well. I'm very pumped for this. Is this on Mox? Yes Why does it come out at 10? Why can't we just drop it at fucking 8? Because it actually is on at 10 Yeah, but maybe give Mox subscribers a little bit of a

Like an hour early That'd be nice You know what I mean? Yeah, do that It's not like it's on cable But that's the only people that can watch it are Mox subscribers Yeah So that's not really a benefit I mean, it's a cable. But that's the only people that can watch it are Mox subscribers. Yeah. So that's not really a benefit.

I mean, it's a benefit to everybody, not just the select few. I'm saying why don't we... It's not on HBO. So if you have DirecTV, HBO, you get Mox as well? I think so. I think you have to pay for it. Is DirecTV still around? Yeah.

I got DirecTV. You got YouTube TV this year for football, though. Oh, yeah. YouTube TV is about to have a hell of a run. Yes. Hopefully they got them servers situated. Hey, that was a good play. Genius.

That was a good play. Great. Unbelievable player. Like Thursday Night Football, good grab by Amazon. Thursday Night Football, okay. But like Sunday Ticket is what you reach every NFL fan. You get the old people to actually make the effort to go find it. That's what it's going to do.

That was a good play. If they listen to what people are saying, they're like, okay, we need to do quad box. What are we doing? We're doing a giveaway here for Hard Knocks? Oh, okay. How many? You're going to make the first one. I agree.

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Eight trips to Iowasca? No, eight $500 winners. Okay. That they can use towards Iowasca if you want. I'm not telling them how to use their money. It ain't going to be enough, though. You're going to fly to the fucking jungles. Yeah, that's right.

That's a couple planes. You're going to have to get way down there. Iowasca, quite an expensive experience. Yeah. I'd assume. Yeah. Very. It depends how you do it. Depends how you do it. We're not giving away ayahuascas,

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