The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 961 - Ryan Fitzpatrick, Billy Walters, Mitch Morse, Chuck Pagano, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

On today's show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about everything going on in the sports world as we are just 14 days away from the start of the NFL season. They are also joined by several great guests. First, 17 year NFL veteran and Amazon Prime NFL Analyst, Ryan Fitzpatrick joins the show to preview this season and chat about last year on Prime and what he's excited for this year (18:31-45:04). Next, Billy Walters, arguably the greatest gambler of all-time joins the show to discuss his career, his book that is available now, tell some stories, and give some betting advice (1:15:23-1:43:03). Next, Buffalo Bills Center and Pro Bowler, Mitch Morse joins the show to chat about training camp, how excited he is for the season to start, the vibe of the Bills going into the season and much more (1:43:05-2:12:01). Lastly, Coach Chuck Pagano joins the progrum to discuss Isiah Simmons being traded to the Giants and how he could flourish in Wink Martindale's defense (2:18:41-2:24:02). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We're off tomorrow, we'll see you Monday. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this glorious Thursday, August 24th, 2023. This show starts right now. Football! It's happening tonight. We got two games. Steelers, Falcons, 7.30, 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Colts at Philadelphia Eagles. Colts playing starters. Oh, here we go. I don't know what the Eagles are doing. It sounds like Darius Slay thinks that they are not playing their starters over there in Philadelphia. But that'll be a good show.

And the Pittsburgh Steelers are taking on Artie Smith and the Falcons. One half of the hammer. Died. Cowboys. Tony Diggs, big night tonight for preseason football. Third and final week of preseason football. If you do recall, it used to be four. And everybody said, wow, we've been playing the fourth game. What the hell?

So they dropped that thing down to three games. Now, we do have 17 days until the regular season begins for most teams from this exact point, where teams will be made and transactions will be happening all over the league, and we'll get a chance to hypothesize for two fucking weeks about what could potentially happen with no

football happening in our lives. So we need to enjoy tonight and the next few days as we get some action as teams try to clear the picture on who's going to be on the roster and who's not going to be on the roster. The Talks at Table, always on the roster, at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Rocking your golden night, Sooty, huh? Yeah, you know, just got to let people know every once in a while. I think people kind of just forget because football season's right around the corner.

But let's not forget the stanley cup champions are in las vegas right now so i just wanted to throw this on and also my circulation is very very poor today so although it is like 100 and some degrees outside my hands are so cold so i was like you know what i guess that's not good i don't i don't it's not it's not good i need to get that figured out and stat. Smart people. Yeah, exactly. Figure it out. This guy's hands are cold.

It's 1,000 degrees outside. Yeah, exactly. We do keep it chilly in Thunderdome. Is that a part of the problem here? No, no, because usually it's not part of the problem. It's just every once in a while I'll kind of, you know, just feel my hands and be like, wow, those are way too cold for how hot it is outside right now. What about the color?

Do they turn purple here? We got that big. What do we use? It's not that, but, you know, something's going on. I about the color? Do they turn purple here? We got five beers. What do we use? It's not that, but something's going on. Do you have Raynaud's? I may have Raynaud's because my feet get cold all the time as well, but I might just be super. You have Raynaud's.

You need those. Compression gloves and socks. That's not a bad idea. Pierre Garcon sells them. Yes, Raynaud's is just bad circulation in your body, so your hands always get cold. So that was just a scientific way to say what he just said? It's a disease, Raynaud's just bad circulation in your body, so your hands always get cold. So that was just a scientific way to say what he just said? It's a disease, Raynaud's disease.

I'm not going to diagnose myself. I don't think I have. Go Google it. Yeah. That's a fun thing to do. Go ahead and Google. Ladies and gentlemen, 14-year icon Pac-Man Jones is here, also Golden Knight fan. But I think what Pac-Man was about to say is, hey, do not Google that.

Do not Google. Every once in a while, I'll have something happen to my body. Sure. I'm like, I kind of want to know what's going on there. Yeah, figure it out. Hey, why does that feel that way? I got a little bit of a pinching feeling right behind my left knee above this. Well, you probably got cancer.

You might die tomorrow. Yeah, no thanks is that the answer or is it well i feel like they have to okay the most serious answer because if they're underselling what you have and you actually have something then there's probably a lawsuit coming but i don't know if that's necessarily understood in the time of need whenever you're googling something and they just scare the living fuck out of you always that is a that's a tough thing to do us humans having to deal with that is something that didn't have to happen before right what's going on here you got to pull if i move you need more bananas yeah okay you know bananas stay more hydrated it's like is

that accurate i don't know yeah it is okay now it's like why is why do i have a headache right here above my right eyebrow what is this all about uh uh you're maybe the next john travolta and phenomenon you have uh you have a tumor on your head you should go get that checked out it's eyebrow. What is this all about? You're maybe the next John Travolta in Phenomenon. You have a tumor on your head. You should go get that checked out. It's like, God, maybe it's just a headache, though? Or, no, you should go get that checked out.

Let's not Google that, but also, smart people, let us know what's going on. Figure it out. I'll just step outside after the show and just kind of do this for a little bit, and then I'll be good. Okay, smart. I think you've got to do one of these, too. Maybe do some high knees real quick. Oh, how about this? Think about this.

Think about this. Maybe work out in the Hawk House with us in the morning. Well, I did get on the treadmill this morning. Here? No, no, no, 6 a.m. at my house. Okay, you don't want to join the team yet? You say, I'm a solo dolo out here like a Navy SEAL. Well, you know, same deal.

I'd love to get in here, but got to take the baby and the dog. You know, got to drop them off. Got to do all that mumbo jumbo. So, no, that is my routine. 6 a.m. I wake up before she gets up. I get on the treadmill for about 35, 40 minutes, and then, boom, hit the shower, get the day started. Are you watching, like, four or five TVs, too, so you can get in all the sports news that you might have missed last night? No, usually I listen to the GM Shuffle, Michael Lombardi's podcast.

Love that. Love Lombo. What you might have missed last night if you fell asleep is Messi still undefeated in the United States of America in games that are played for tournaments that aren't actual MLS standing games. Last night he took the show on the road to Ohio. And for a large portion of that game, you thought to yourself, hey, Matthew, you're okay over there in Spain. You can play pretty good in France. Obviously in

Argentina growing up and in the World Cup, wherever those are, you ain't never played in Ohio before. You know, Matthew, welcome to Ohio. I had that tweet, sorry, that ex-post lined up like, Matthew just experienced Ohio for the first time. We've been talking about this.

Ohio's a different place. It's a different place. Filled with Ohio fucks. Yes. And once you have to experience that for the first time, it might be a little bit of a, oh, oh, oh, these motherfuckers are booing me. Out.

Out of the stadium. Every time. Not an NBA, like, hey, who's the away team selling out the arena, coming to cheer for said person. Not like that at all. They were both, and the boys were there. Now, Pac, you are a diehard Cincinnati FC fan. Yes.

You were the one that got the plug for the suite, got the boys everywhere. Thank you for doing that. Cincinnati wanted to end the Methy magic last night. They obviously didn't. They lost to Methy because that's what Methy does, and Methy put two balls on heads kind of game over, whatever the case is. But you guys thought you had them

and it was not a kumbaya welcome to Ohio, which we appreciate. And that's what we're talking about with Ohio Fox. Hell no, it's not kumbaya welcome to Ohio. That's not how we do things in Ohio. It's just like Pittsburgh. It's not a steel city, but these are hardworking people

and we love what we got going on sports is very important it's our culture and yeah we booed his ass from the time he got there to the time he left and yeah y'all say he did play a good game he had to assist but he didn't score a goal uh uh uh we should have won the game we didn't't win the game. But, hey, it was electric. Electric. Yes. It was electric. It was loud, right?

So loud. It was incredibly fun. Connor, that's your first soccer game? First real soccer game I've ever been to. Yeah, I've never seen anything to that capacity for a soccer game, which was fun. First time being to Cincinnati. First thing I say when I walk in there, maybe a little too loudly,

Cincinnati, kind of like Pittsburgh, the way that it's set up and how it looks. They did not like me from the start after that. I can't say it was bad. They don't like compliments. The city down the street that created the steel that built all the buildings in this place? Boo.

That's not a compliment? Makes no sense. We've got three rivers too. I don't know how many you got. They got one stupid money river. It's basically Kentucky's river anyways, and they got poop salad. Don't. Do not start this shit. Now, our rivers are disgusting.

Let's not start diving into who has a nicer river. Our rivers are disgusting. There are human bodies being found. Probably ours, too, though. It's a river in these cities. Blue-collar cities. I think that's the case. But I think that would be a good comparison.

Yes. I wasn't trying to bash anything. I just thought it was cool. The visual optics. Yes, optically. They don't have to come out of the four-pick tunnel. No. The best view in the history of views, they say, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

coming out of the tunnel with the whole city there with this. I mean, you've got beautiful Heinz Field right over here. People don't even know they're looking at Cognac Mellon Museum. To be honest, actually, the stadium set up there is very similar as far as. And the view off the river. And ours is a little bit better, though. Yes. What's that?

It's a little bit better in Cincinnati. No, I disagree, but they do look pretty similar. The soccer itself, though, with Methy, as you've mentioned, he's been in America for a month. Yesterday was the first time he was in America. We can actually kind of confirm that because in Miami, everyone is going nuts for Methy, and that's not how it was in Ohio. They did not care, right?

No, no. Oh, you're bringing a lot of attention to the MLF? Cool, it's our league. Welcome to our league. You're good at soccer? You've won a couple blonde doors? Guess what, Matthew? We don't care.

They booed him start to finish. I loved it. I was thoroughly impressed with the FC Cincinnati faithful. Now, when it came down to it in the end, yeah, Messi's going to put the ball from his left foot to some guy's dome and into the net and did i want to stay for extra time god damn it no i wanted to leave so so badly but with methi out there doing his thing and you know once that happened and they scored in the first half of extra time mind you oh game over joseph mart Martinez, big-time goal. Joseph, he's a great player.

And there I am, boom. After this half of extra time, it's over because you're not going to keep playing. No, no. No, there's two extra times. Let's get some water. See if we can make a comeback. Migration break. Yeah, let's have some fun.

Okay, fine. Fifteen more minutes. Boom. FC Cincinnati scores. I'm ripping my hair out. I got to stay for fucking penalty kicks now. You've got to be kidding me. I thought that we were going to be out of here an hour ago.

That's why you lift all that weight. You're staying for the penalty kicks. I suppose because who goes first? Messi. I was waiting for Messi to go last. I didn't want him to go first. The kid that went last is this young phenom that we got from the United States of America. This is good news for the World Cup.

Gumpy, it feels like you were full heel last night because I saw you dancing about Messi's The Goat and a lot of faces in that suite. How was it to watch live? And this guy obviously never watched soccer live. His takeaway was, is this thing done yet? Or what are we? Loved it.

Loved it. What was your thoughts on it? Because penalties is what you're trying to be there for. Like in my eyes, if it's not Methi, because him playing is just electrifying at this moment. We are just getting introduced, by the way. We are American Stooges. That's right. This is our first time watching this guy.

He's 36 years old. I guess he's been doing this for literally 20 years. Pretty cool. But we're just getting a chance to see it for the first time. It's a must watch. But if you're going to a soccer game, like, you accidentally show up at the moment where penalties are starting. It's like, we made it. Yeah, that's awesome.

We did it. But that game felt like it was going to go that way the entire time. And you rise Gumpy as a massive Methy fan. Inter Miami did not look good the first half. And even like late into the second half, the Cincinnati faithful got a little loud too early though. You can't start saying, oh yeah, we're going to stop the messy train. First team to beat messy.

Everyone jumping up and down. They were loud though. First team to beat Messi. Everyone jumping up and down. They were loud, though. Sold out 26,000. But it was fucking scenes for sure. It was awesome. And then Methi. Yeah, Methi. The goalie dancing around like Messi hasn't seen every fucking trick in the book before.

Just stand there. That goalie did nothing. He jumped from side to side. Then he'd just go back and stand in the middle. When the ball was kicked, he stopped moving. He did the complete opposite of every goalie I've ever seen in a shootout. He did all his moving before the ball was kicked. Post-kick, I'm not going anywhere.

With everything I just did, this ball should hit me right in the chest. That's right. Instead, he just – that was interesting to watch. I literally texted you. I was like, this goalie is in shambles right now. Because there for a second, I'm like, oh, okay, since he's going to steal this one. And then he started watching the goalie do his thing.

He's like, oh, I like the way he's, and then you watch two of them. It's like, I don't think that's helping him. I think it's seemingly hurting him. I would like to let everybody know, Pittsburgh Riverhounds are my team. Obviously. They were potentially supposed to play Ole Methy, but they lost to Cincinnati FC, who's number one in the MLF. And Inter-Miami is dead last in the MLF.

Still, even though Methy has won eight straight games for this team, they are still in dead last somehow. We don't understand it either. But I was watching last night. You know how people say, who's your club? Inter-Miami is my club. I think I know who InterMiami guy. I agree.

Oh, you're a bandwagon fan. Oh, you are doing whatever. Yeah, I'm an InterMiami fan. Really, though? Because they're in last place. So are we bandwagon? I was with this team when they were the worst team in the MLS. Exactly.

I've been here since the worst of the worst. The dark days. Nobody was thick. The real thick. They say through thick and thin since the worst of the worst. The dark days. Nobody was thick. The real thick. They say through thick and thin. This is the thickest they could possibly get. It's the bottom of the fucking thing. Yeah.

So what? Yeah. We decided to become fans after the greatest player of all time signed there with three of his friends who are probably the best players that the MLS has seen in some time. Yeah. Sue us. Sorry. They signed the Messi of MLS, Joseph Martinez

to also be on their team that Messi did not know before getting there. Now he's scoring game winners, game tires, and everything. Sorry. What? Yeah, we're bandwagoning. Did you see the internet report? What's that? Would that help your team? Enter Miami?

Oh boy. I hope it's not true. I heard. Okay. Since he's up 2-0. Pretty Oh, boy. I hope it's not true. I heard. Okay. Since he's up 2-0, pretty boy Joe, Joe Burr leaves the stadium. Whoa. Is that true? Is that true?

Are you serious? I didn't even hear that. Probably had another photo shoot to get to. I think that's true. Whoa. We took a walk. Oh, no. And... I told you that wasn't going to be there.

That's the thing Joe Burr needs to recognize. Like, hey, Bub, your aura matters. It matters. Team needs him. Now, with that being said, Joe Burr's going to say, sorry, I watched the Methi show. We beat him. I'd go watch film, which I also appreciate. But with that being I watched the Methy show. We beat him. I'd go watch film. Which I also appreciate.

That being said, the Methy train ran right through Cincinnati last night. And Joe Burr potentially a part of that. Just needs to be said. There's some dudes. Jamar was out there. The whole city was out there. Yeah, the whole city was out. It was a star-studded night last night for Ohio.

All the boys from the Bengals out. Jamar out there. Jamar. T. Higgins. T. Higgins. Boyd. Sam Hubbard. Sam Hubbard. The kickers as well. McPherson was there? Huber and McPherson, yep. Huber and McPherson.

The D-lineman. Reeder. Reeder was there. Can we talk real quick though? Before we get to our next guest about how like Apple's gotta be furious that that game was not on Apple

for sure yeah that makes no sense so that I'm trying I couldn't find the game in fucking English I couldn't

I listened to that game in Spanish last night on Peacock and I loved what they were doing every once in a while I hear a number right cause you hear uno dos

you hear that whole thing and then then all of a sudden it would kinda dial back and Because you hear uno, dos. You hear that whole thing. And then, all of a sudden, it would kind of dial back. And you'd hear Busquets and everything like that. And then, go! Long. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Anytime we try to mimic that greatness, we only do it one time. This guy said, go! Like four times after one goal. The fourth one had zero pizzazz. I feel like there was a chance he was just kind of throwing it in, like maybe he's known for doing it. But, boy, the excitement when something good happens in soccer from the Spanish-speaking commentators.

I wish I could bottle it and drink it. Now, it would be much better if I had a clue what the fuck they were saying. Absolutely. I'm trying to learn some stuff about these teams. Yep. And I can't. Oh, what are they saying? Go!

My man. Heard that six times last night. Yeah. You do some quick math. 24 goals. Yeah. I heard in Spanish. I guess it was on Paramount Plus.

Yeah. Ain't nobody have a Paramount Plus subscription that's watching sports. It's foolish. I didn't have time to sign up. Is that different than Paramount? Paramount Plus? That's a streaming service. I think it's CBS Sports as well. It is, yeah.

Paramount Plus has Top Gun Maverick. That's the only reason I have it. So I have it then. I watched Top Gun Maverick like a hundred times. You probably do. It's got all of TC's catalog on there. So I'm guessing reason I have it. And Yellowstone. Yeah. So I have it then. I watched Top Gun Maverick like 100 times. You probably do. It's got all of TC's catalog on there, so I'm guessing you do have it. My thing signed me out then because last night I had to get in there and do a full sign-in. Yeah, you have it.

And I said, I don't got time. Matthew might score. Right. I hear you. And that's what the Miles Teller show was on, the offer. HBO. No, no, no. That was Paramount Plus.

So I'm definitely a member. You definitely are a member. I'm paying for it. I need it a member. I'm paying for it. I need it one time. I did watch it in Peacock in Spanish, though, too. It's cool. Because I was already on Peacock watching that Kevin Hart news stand-up or whatever. You said it was good, right?

I thought it was pretty good. I giggled the whole time. And now the motherfucker's in a wheelchair because he tried to run a 40. I think this is your fault. I think this is your fault. He tore everything in his fucking stomach. It's your fault, actually, because you started this shit. No, no, no.

I did not start. No. No. You asked me what I could run. Yeah. I did not volunteer to do this. Okay, cool. But you did it.

Anyways, you ended up doing it. You were the one that did it very well. Now you're calling Chris Johnson fat and saying he can't run. And there's probably a 40 coming from him. And then now uh kevin hart raced against oh calvin or no not steve really yeah steve ridley former running back from the patriots i do believe and they were talking shit and he said he ripped every muscle in his abdomen running and i honestly believe it probably started from watching you at the age of 39

run a four or five one five on the internet and some people are like you see i could probably so i'm uh i probably still run a little bit. And I know people race each other still, but you doing that got seen by a lot of motherfuckers. And I think it probably upped a lot of people's confidence in their athletic abilities because they once had it.

People need to know you need not think that you're like this dude. This dude's eating nerd ropes all day, every day. He still has an 8-pack. Red Bull and Hardee's. Yeah, this dude's built different, actually. Because I ran 20 yards, pulled a hammy.

Kevin Hart runs 15 yards, probably. I don't know how far he got. Ripped everything in his abdomen. He's in a wheelchair from running. That's possible out there. You need to remember that. And you're a bad influence. You're making people think that they can just go out and run

40s without doing anything in a long time. It's your fault. It's your fault. Joining us now is a man who runs 40s still to this day. Because he's the guy who has the actual brain of a Harvard man and the heart of a goddamn plumber. He would put his face

into an actual fan if it meant that he would win a football game. That's why he was beloved by all nine NFL organizations that he played for, which is an NFL record for a starting quarterback. Ladies and gentlemen, Amazon. Guy. He's the Amazon guy. He was doing all those bits and shit.

Oh, yeah. It was awesome. He's the guy. Ladies and gentlemen, legend, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Hey, thank you for having me. No problem, man. I don't know if you caught the tail end of that. Pac-Man ran a 4'5", 1'5", 40 at the age of 39 like three weeks ago,

and now it's out that Kevin Hart tried to run a 40 and ripped every muscle in his abdomen and is now wheelchair-bound for six weeks. That's a true story. I'm not necessarily comparing the two, but there's some people that have just built different Fitzmagic, and you're one of them, pal. You's a true story. I'm not necessarily comparing the two, but there's some people that are just built different, Fitzmagic, and you're one of them, pal. You're one of them. Yeah, I mean, as a guy that led his team in rushing as a 37-year-old,

I get it. I get it, but I am no longer in that place. Yeah, none of us are. You look good, though. How's life? You excited to get back into the season here with Amazon? Did you enjoy last year as much as you thought? Or what was it like?

And where are you now in the whole TV world? Yeah, I loved it. I wasn't sure going in. You know, I felt like it was a nice transition for me, though, to be able to still see my teammates every week, to form a new team with Andrew Whitworth, Sherm, Carissa, and Tony. But we actually travel to the NFL cities. So getting in there, feeling the vibe of the game,

getting to interact with some of the coaches and GMs and maybe people we didn't before, it was a great season. And then this year they've rewarded us with some great games that we're really looking forward to. I think Al Michaels is really looking forward to that. Yeah, he was electrifying, obviously. He came on our show, and I was like, hey, the internet's saying you're not having fun, man,

saying you're hating these games you go from Sunday to Thursday. And I was like, I'm not going to lie to the people that are watching. I can't. As soon as I start lying to the people that are watching, I lose all credibility. And he's like, so if the game stinks, I have to say it. And it's like, Al, that's why you are the absolute greatest. But if you think about that Amazon team, Al Michaels is the guy.

You've got Herbie, who's been the guy for college football for 25 years in there. And then the panel, feels like it was a successful season for Amazon-NFL relationship year one. Have you guys had like a postseason wrap up? Have they told you about what the expectations were, how performed feels like amazon hit a home run here yeah i think so i think having al and kirk that obviously just made it legitimate right it made it feel like big time football just listening to the games with the pregame halftime post team there were three of us that had never done it before but but we were fresh off the field. Sherm is just so engaging and interesting. You never know what's going to happen with them. I learned how to poke him and prod him a little bit, push those buttons for some entertaining TV.

Witt is such a wise old man with that gray beard. I think it was great. We averaged, I think, over 11 million viewers on Prime Video, which was huge. And it'll just get better. And what we saw was that 18 to 34 demographic. That was the one that really saw a jump from the previous years, even though it was not linear TV. So I think they were really happy with it. We're looking forward to making an even better product this year.

Yeah, experience is just only going to make you guys better in all facets, operations, on everything. The September 14th Eagles-Vikings game will be the first official regular season start for Thursday Night Football on Amazon this season, season two. But tonight, I believe the Eagles-Colts game is an Amazon operation. Is that accurate? It is. We've got the trucks there in Philly, so that'll be a nice way to do it, to do the game tonight. That'll be Andrew Whitworth and Carissa will be there. I am in Arizona right now hanging out with Billy the Buffalo. What's up, Bill?

We got Cuzzy the Buffalo up here. This is Cuzzy the Buffalo. He's right out there. There you go. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. I don't know if that was ever real.

Just kind of bought it. It looks real. Cousy was a real deal. Buffalo, when he had a full body, not just the neck up. He's a big cuss, isn't he? Oh, yeah. He's a big cuss. How about Billy Buffalo there?

Does he provide any vibes over there in the office? Billy, I mean, he's great, man. He's got his party hat on. I don't know if you can see the party hat, but he keeps it lively over here in Arizona. You want to come meet with me? All right. It's like a Pam Pan thing.

You know, you and Billy the Buffalo. a Pam Pan thing. You know, you and Billy the Buffalo. It's right over his head. Imagine like a Zoom call set up the first time at Amazon. I'm thinking we do this. And also we chatted. I'm thinking we fun. What does this year look like for you? You do more of the bits? I thought you were great in those. Did you

think of those? Did they pitch those to you? I thought you were very, very good at all those things. Thank you. You know what's been really fun? A lot of times they'll come to me and pitch those. And I've got actually a teammate from college that was also a Harvard Lampoon guy. And we kind of try to spice those bits up and make them my own, I guess. So that's been a lot of fun, just the creative work and doing some of that stuff but um you know i it's something that i really enjoy doing and i've had a more of an opportunity now

that i'm done playing to dive into some of that everybody has loved you as a teammate i think we're getting to watch you showcase that with these bits one of the ones you did was with tua last year obviously the ukulele was in there i think you were both singing having a great time ty has a question for you about your thoughts on this year's Tua. Yeah, Fitzmagic. Tua's been in the news as of late. You know, the whole Ryan Clark thing with him basically saying, like, hey, I don't know why people who don't know me are talking about me,

and I wish they'd keep my name out of their mouth. It seems like he's kind of – he's not nearly – like, when you played with him, he was a lot more timid. Obviously, he was younger and kind of reserved. And it seems like this year he's kind of, he's not nearly, like when you played with him, he was a lot more timid. Obviously, he was younger and kind of reserved. And it seems like this year he's kind of more vocal. He's willing to kind of go after people who have been shitting on him, whether it's for him being hurt or, you know, not playing, not being big enough, all that kind of stuff.

Have you noticed Tua is much different than the guy you were on the team with? And also, how do you expect him to fare this year? is much different than the guy you were on the team with? And also, how do you expect him to fare this year? I was really proud of him when I saw that because when you mentor guys and you're in that role trying to show them the way, I always kind of showed up from the offseason out of shape and overweight.

So I was happy he took that one. But, I mean, he's going to be fine. He's, he looks great right now. You know, he's putting the work in, trust me, you're going to lose a lot of pounds going through training camp in Miami, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does this year. You know, he had a great year last year aside from the injuries. I mean, his numbers were as good as anybody. I think the Dolphins were, even after his injuries, third in the NFL in yards per play. So they're explosive. That's an offense that fits him. And I think just being more comfortable in the city. He's a husband. He's a father. There's a lot of things that he's matured with to where he's going to be able to speak his mind and

be himself a little bit more. Really cool sweet tattoo that thing got real thick you know what i mean i wish he told me he was going to get that earlier so it took him an extra off season but it looks pretty sweet a lot of time did you see that had to be so i wish i was an oose so i could get that done yeah like if i did it now everybody would just cook me forever okay okay hey blanco how's it going about like that Like that whole thing. But he looks awesome. He's doing jujitsu, too, they say, right? I mean, he's – I feel like he's – what's that? I don't know.

I don't know. I'm not sure what that means. What? What are you talking about? You've played 17 years. What do you mean you don't know what that means? He's doing jujitsu. What?

He's breaking arms, bro. That's what he's doing. He's tapping people out. Maybe that's this year. Amazon got a Miami game? We do. Black Friday arms, bro. That's what he's doing. He's tapping people out. Maybe that's this year. Amazon got a Miami game. We do. Black Friday football, baby. Black Belt, Black Friday, Miami Dolphins, Ryan Fitzmagic, Tua, rolling.

Yeah, there it is. Jiu-Jitsu roll sesh. Yes. Yeah, but it's hard because much like all these other games, they're former teams of mine. So it's Miami and the New York Jets in New York, Black Friday football. So I also played with them. I'm really looking forward to Aaron Rodgers beating my 31 touchdowns

in the season record this year. I like that what you just did there. You began this thing. I led my team in rushing at the age of 37. People are forgetting. Okay, just a little bit. These are just a little. Hey, hey. These are just real.

These are numbers. Don't Google any like, oh, I have a headache here. What's going on? But definitely Google like, who led their team in rushing at the age of 37 in the NFL's history? You're going to see one name. It's a Harvard fucking guy. That's right. You go to the Jets. Who has the most passing touchdowns in one year?

It's the Harvard guy. You go to the Cardinals. the most passing touchdowns in one year it's the harvard guy you go to the cardinals you look i assume you just that's why you played for so long and started everywhere and is that why you didn't just take your harvard brain and go do like investment banking or like whatever everybody else does like you just obsessed with football you think that's why you kind of stuck with the football route like in do you think you would have been able to be okay in retirement if it wasn't for the amazon thing you know what i mean yeah uh well i do have i've got the seven kids in tow so um i don't know because it's a the football season is like a break for me you know to be able to love my children but also get away from it a little bit. So, um, I know you're, you're a new father. Is that correct? Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I don't know.

How's it going? So fantastic. Loving it. The wife is kicking so much ass, you know, good routine right now. We're sleeping, huh? Through the night. This is a big deal. Look at you. Well, not me. This is, I am there for sure, but I am not the one that deserves any of the credit here. She recognized me like a week and a half ago for the first time. You know, she's three and a half months old, but like actually recognized my voice, started yelling when she heard me. And then that was a moment. You know what I mean? But every single time something starts popping off or she's pissed, you know, about who knows what.

I think to myself, how does anybody have two of these yeah and then you have seven i have no idea how that works i have no clue how you would even how do you have enough everything eyes hands emotions i don't even know how it's possible we're we're on easy street now we've got a 16 year old that can drive everybody we've got a uh 12 year oldold that can drive everybody. We've got a 12-year-old daughter that watches everybody, a 14-year-old that can cook for everybody. So we're on easy street right now. Yeah, just had to do a nice 16-year sentence. That's all.

Just kidding. That's all. We've got to just commit a nice 16 years here, and then we'll be able to have our starting five and two bench players taking care of themselves. I appreciate it. The boys have some more questions for you, if that's okay. Go ahead, Connor. to have our starting five and two bench players taking care of themselves i appreciate it the boys have some more questions for you if that's okay go ahead connor yeah fizz you mentioned you know

the mentoring of younger quarterbacks how is that process on the older guys like right now there's a couple situations obviously rogers with love and now rogers with wilson but then there's also like the andy dalton situation where he's coming in as the backup knows he's the backup and he's helping you know Bryce Young kind of become that guy in Carolina versus playing and showing Zach Wilson as the way Rodgers is doing what goes into that and what do you think is the best way to kind of show the rookies the way is it the Andy Dalton kind of be in the background and tell them what to do or the Rodgers just lead by example follow exactly what i'm saying and doing yeah i think there are two different categories and one is kind of the category i fell into my whole career which was if i if i was the starter somewhere i was the

placeholder especially at the back end of my career and i had a job it was to lead a football team but it was also to bring somebody along. So that's kind of the twilight years now of Andy Dalton's career. That's where he's at. He's trying to be a great player, make sure that he's ready to play, but also help this guy out. And he's a pretty selfless dude. I think paying it forward as a quarterback is a great thing. You've got the other category, which is the Aaron Rodgers of the world that are Hall of Fame players that are still playing at a high level. Priority number one, two, and three is him leading that football team to the playoffs and hopefully even more than that. But you've already seen it in hard knocks. I mean, Zach Wilson, he got rid of the swag sleeve. You see

that? If he goes and gets rid of the bandanaana if he switches his sleeves up to how rogers has him and if he brings that towel he really grows the stash you're slowly going to see the evolution of zach wilson into aaron rogers single chin strap you're all over it every play imagine everybody's like because aaron did that everybody like oh that's brett yeah like that is like is jordan love doing it i wonder is that i don't think so oh jordan loves it nah that that old wasted motion stops yeah right maybe after we yeah but it's also the single strap the single strap is a it's a dying breed of players that are doing single strap yeah because there's no uh you got zero protection right here right you love that just pops off yeah yeah that's back in football that's old old cba too they're aiming for adams at me hit me again yeah do that pat this may be an unofficial stat but

the most roughing the passers called against in the history of the nfl guy. You might need to look it up. The jungle trap had a lot to do with it. Oh, that's amazing. Which is why we say this guy is the brain of a Harvard man and the heart of a plumber because you would take these shots that it's like, this guy's got nothing to lose.

And then you think, no, no, he dies. Wait, he went to Harvard? This guy's got a lot to lose. I don't know what is going on. He was admirable. I think that's why everybody fucking loved you. Go ahead, Connor.

The Raiders throw. He almost got his head ripped off, face mask on the sideline. Yeah. Dog, just quick memory here. That was probably one of them. Yeah. Of the record that the NFL has. Have we looked it up and if that's correct or not?

I couldn't find it, an official record. Oh, they're hating on you, dude. Whoa. They don't want the people to know. They don't want the people to know. Pac's got a question for you, right? Hey, Fitz, we got a lot of young quarterbacks. We got Bryce Young, CJ Shriles, Anthony Richardson, Will Evans,

and maybe Hooker might start this year. If you had to pick one of these guys that's going to have an outstanding year from watching a little bit of the precinct preseason. Who would you pick? You know, it's tough, man, because especially the first three dudes,

they got picked one, two, and four, which means they're not on very good teams. So there's going to be some struggles. I loved, I loved, I loved Anthony Richards.

Yes! Excuse me. No, you put that in my mouth. You're a Harvard guy. I went to West Virginia. Don't you eat? I didn't do anything to your brain. You know that.

So I actually love C.J. Stroud. I love the way he throws the ball. I love the way he moves around. So for me, of those three dudes, the top three, C.J. Stroud was my favorite coming out. I think Anthony Richardson is going to be super interesting. You know, coaches matter so much. They matter so much. And for him to have a coach that was able to progress Jalen Hurts the way he did early in his career,

for them now to sculpt an offense not around Gardner Minshew, but around Anthony Richardson and his skill set, you know, for them now to sculpt an offense, not around Gardner Minshew, but around Anthony Richardson and his skillset, you know, for them to get rid of their best rusher. I don't know if that's going to help for them not to have AJ Brown and Devante Smith. I don't know if that's going to help, but they're going to grow. There's going to be some growing pains. Listen, I understand that that Thursday night game with the Broncos, the Colts and Broncos,

your first year as Amazon guy, that's probably the reason why you guys got rewarded with good games was because of how bad that game was. That game was notoriously terrible. People just openly talking on every media outlet the next day, wow, what a

shit show that was last night on Amazon. And I know the Colts are a part of that, okay? So there's probably some negative conversations that happened in your first year on TV. Anthony Richardson and Shane Steichen are the bestest of friends, okay? And if Jonathan Taylor doesn't want to be here, we understand.

Go ahead. Go ahead. You know, go somewhere else. But three to five years fits, okay? Maybe six. Yeah, but do we have that kind of patience in the nfl anymore you know jim mercy does not he actually said that we're gonna win two super bowls in one year this decade no well that and then he came on this show yeah and said we're gonna try to win two this year yeah so what that's the sign of patience i think that's i think trey

lance got four games i think What do you think about that? Okay, here we go. So, interesting. This is potentially the biggest draft miss, you know, and we live in a moment, we can say all time, but what was given up and what the conversation was

and then how it kind of is all unfolded. Like, we have no idea if he's a player, I think. And then they're like, well, he's not good. It's like, well, he's never played football. Like, how was that supposed to work? And do you think there's still an opportunity somewhere maybe for him to be an NFL quarterback from what you've seen?

I do. I still think there's an opportunity. I think accuracy is his biggest thing, but it's not his fault that he was overdrafted. I mean, he got way overdrafted getting picked third. I think people loved his athleticism. They loved how raw he was. Josh Allen coming from a small school, that probably helped a little bit.

But his accuracy, I think right now, is his biggest issue that he's got to somehow go in and fix. And for him, he's so young. He hasn't played that much football. It's a tough thing to become accurate as you get older. But he's so young

that I think there's still a chance unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be in san franc so josh allen won off season he put like laser things like you know how they do with golfers how they put like shit on it this is what i hey listen you're laughing this is what i was told this was my takeaway from what happened i was like this is reality okay I'm just looking. He put, like, lasers on here and on here, like a video game on his hip, on his knee, and they, like, it transformed his throw into being more, like, on time

as opposed to, I think, just, like, armed. Obviously, they bring in Stephon Diggs in that same offseason, so that probably helps a good amount. But then all his percentages go up and he becomes a better thrower. Is that, like, a way to fix? Is that normal?

Is that how you fix accuracy? Like how the hell do you fix accuracy at this stage? Yeah, I don't know that that's normal. I think we're giving somebody a lot more credit than they deserve with the nodes and things. But Brian Dable had something to do with it. I think, you know, we're seeing that with danny dimes right now that coaching really matters it can really help dude but uh yeah i i love josh he's a fierce competitor i think uh his accuracy was better i think is the year before he came out than the

year he came out and maybe that had to do with some of the guys he was playing with. But, yeah, he's the standard right now for guys that go to small schools, for guys that can improve their accuracy, and everybody kind of points to him. But he's always been a pretty good player. Danny Dimes was a surprise draft pick. A lot of people say, well, Danny, this guy, you get an accountant that's going to go play quarterback in New York, blah, blah, blah, that whole thing. Now with Dayball, you just talked about coaching.

Last year, he looked awesome. Everything we're seeing out of training camp looks awesome. They paid him as if they're expecting him to be awesome. Now, caused a little bit of a scene with Saquon, but they're past that. He's back. They just traded for Isaiah Simmons. I think Wink Martindale is probably going to have a good time. He's going to be lined up over the guard at some point, I bet.

And then he's going to be lined up at corner at some point with that defense that Wink has. It's going to be insane. It feels like they're under the radar right now because Jets and Eagles in their division, you like them, obviously. What do you think for them? Is this big jump year for the New York Giants?

I like them a lot. The problem is it's such a tough division. I mean, they're going to beat each other up because if you're looking at the division, maybe you're saying Washington is the worst team right now. But that defense in Washington, that defensive line, they've got weapons on offense. We'll see how Sam Howell does. But that's going to be a tough division. I think they're all going to beat each other up.

But expectations for me, I think they surprised some people last year. But they'll have a very similar season this year to last year. Got to the playoffs, huh? Want a playoff game? That's good. We got a little coastal elite back there who's a big-time Giants fan. He gets real excited every time we put a highlight out there. Bruce, you hear that?

Good news. We're going to the playoffs again. Hell yeah. We're rolling, baby. Not winning the Super Bowl, though. No way. Well, just a couple moments ago, he said, yeah, you're picking one, two, three, or four. Your teams are trash. It's like, whoa, we are not. No, we're not.

Well, we have a great new stadium. Everybody, you know what I mean? We got everything, good things going on. Tone has a question for you, Fitz. Yeah, Fitz, I think I saw a tweet the other day that Baker Mayfield is now, he set a record, I think, four teams in two calendar years. Is it possible for a quarterback to be just successful at all with that type of movement to new teams?

It's tough. It takes a special mindset. Last year, we had the game when he was playing for the Rams against the Raiders where he had been there for two or three days. And McVay threw him out there, and he ends up leading leading the two minute drive at the end of the game to win. That was a, for not being a great game, it was a great ending. It was pretty cool. But, um, you know, to have an off season under his belt, um, you know, to be somewhere where they actually have dudes, I mean, Mike Evans, the dude, Chris Godwin is a dude. Um, I think that's going to help him out a lot but it's definitely it's a tough it's a tough way to live it's a tough way to get comfortable as a quarterback but

you know he played his way into that situation so he's got to try to play his way out of it and make another team believe in him okay we're talking about moving teams a lot there and good luck to baker and allegedly what happened with his family too I mean hopefully that's I mean that's terrible that is terrible but moving on hope he plays great football in Tampa Bay good luck hey good luck Bank good luck out there hey good luck out there but for you it felt like you were like team stopgaps pretty much everywhere right like that was almost the national narrative whenever you got in there yeah we're signing fits through a three-year like 24 million dollar deal or whatever he's a starter that was one year usually it's a one year or a two year with avoidable year yeah there it is it's fake news here yeah so but that was kind of how it always was and it was like yeah

he's going to be the starter and then we'll kind of see what we're doing afterwards that was kind of how it always was. And it was like, yeah, he's going to be the starter. And then we'll kind of see what we're doing afterwards. That was why when you're in the middle of that, were you like, it'd be cool. You know, if one place just kind of said, all right, this could be your team for like four years. We're going to build around you a little bit. Obviously the payment would have to get figured out business wise, but that seemed to be the thing everywhere you went. Right.

Were you just, do you just say like, yeah, I get it. Or at any point where you're like, can we maybe just think about like, yeah, I get it? Or at any point were you like, can we maybe just think about, like, hey, this is my team? Like, we just go do that? I feel like you remember that. Yeah, so I had one opportunity in my career, year six with Buffalo, year six, seven, and eight. I ended up starting not the first few games in year six,

but I think week three on. That was the one chance I had in my career to be in charge of a team, to take ownership, got a new contract there, and I didn't play well enough to be the guy. So after that, went back, assumed a backup role in Tennessee, and then from there on out, it was, I love playing football. I'm here because I like playing. So I'm going to go anywhere that I can.

I don't care how bad you are. I don't care if we're saying you're tanking for players. I want to be on the football field and I want to try to lead men. And that was it. And so that's why it was every year. Okay, well, they brought somebody in to replace me. Where can I go now to find another job where I can end up on a football field? And that was kind of the last eight years of my career.

We fucking love you, man. Hell yeah. Genuinely, you're good for the game. We need you around the game. That's why I'm incredibly pumped that you're back with Amazon. Hopefully this will become just a rest of your life type thing. That starts September 14th. Eagles hosting the Vikings.

Should be an incredible game. And tonight obviously there is Eagles Colts on Amazon Prime. 11 million people figured out how to stream. Remember that was a conversation. People aren't going to be able to figure it out. I couldn't figure it out last time. If you build it, they will

come. Well said. That was a good baseball field too. They built the shit out of it. It was. And then they kind of ruined it, but that's okay. Yeah, because then they try to make it like every day. Yeah, commercialized it big time. Yeah, just don't fucking ruin it. You build it, they'll come, but then they will stop if you ruin it. Yeah, exactly.

So don't do that. You guys won't do that. Bezos is just a never-ending success machine. Yeah, exactly. You ever meet him? You meet him? Yeah, we had dinner with meet him? You meet him? Yeah, we had dinner with him last year.

He's jacked. Oh, he is jacked. He's on the yacht, too. Yeah, properly. He's getting, like, good tan. He looks great. Yeah, he's glistening. Looks great. Nice dude.

How was the handshake? Good handshake? Did you go in there? Was it good? Do you feel good? Was it a dap? Yeah, yeah, real firm. Yeah, it was great.

I'm not there yet. It's more of a formal hello. I slipped back into Harvard mode when I talked to him a little bit, but slowly we're getting to know him a little bit better. Sir, one of those? Is that what it was? Sir? Put it there, Jim.

Did you try to alpha him? Did you hang on longer? No. Oh, by the way, speaking of handshakes, we are going to Washington this year, Chicago, Washington. That'll be fun. Let's see if I can slip one in there, the new team owner. Nice.

He'll grab your two fingers. That's his move. Watch out. Ladies and gentlemen, 17-year NFL vet Ryan Fitzmagic. Thank you, buddy. 17 years, bro. Ooh, long time. Long time.

I think year six, I got a chance to really be like a guy. And then from there on out, I'm just going to... All right, this guy will win you nine games pretty much. If you guys just need a year just to figure out what you're up to, just roll this fucker out there. He'll learn your offense. He'll be a leader in the locker room. You guys are going to win games.

Your fans will have fun. Yep. And then next year, just figure it out again. He did be a leader in the locker room. You guys are going to win games. Your fans will have fun. And then next year, you just figure it out again. He did that for eight years. That's crazy. The Jets team, he was the quarterback over Todd Bowles, was the best Jets team they've had probably in the last five, six, seven years. It was Eric Decker, Brandon Marshall. They both had 1,000 yards.

Eric Decker is rowdy. We beat the shit out of them in the first game of the season. Who? The Jets. Yeah, they finished like 10-6. Who are you, out of them in the first game of the season. Who? The Jets. Yeah, they finished like 10-6. Who are you, the Bengals there or the Broncos? Bengals. Bengals is going to be good this year, huh?

Bengals is going to be real good. Joey Burrow can't even stay through an entire Messi game. He's got to go watch more film. Not committed to greatness. No, no, no. He is committed to greatness. That's why. He is.

But not greatness in his eyes. Yeah, but Methy, if he went to a Bengals game, he'd probably leave at halftime too because he's got to go do some cardio. Dribble. Yep. What does he do all a Bengals game, he'd probably leave at halftime too because he's got to go do cardio. Yeah, dribble. Yep. What does he do all day? Gumpy, what's he doing? He's just doing cardio all day, every day.

Like, how's this? Why is he the way he is? I mean, to play in that heat last night, 120 fucking minutes is insane. Now he runs less than everybody else. Yeah, he kind of picks his spot. Still sweating like a pig. I love that he is. Is that how he's always played?

Him walking up to take that penalty is just who he is. Like, that was so cool just watching him strut up, not a worry in the world that he was just going to slot that thing home. And, oh, he starts dancing. Yeah, bouncing around. He knows he's that guy. Oh, yeah, it's the best. A lot of pressure, though, and he's just been able to deliver.

People are saying, oh, it's easy league, the MLS or whatever. It's like, yeah, the whole league put on his shoulders, though. He dominated at the World Cup, the best soccer tournament in the world, last year. So you're saying it's kind of a casual soccer thing to say that, oh, the MLS is so bad, that's why Matthew's doing so good? Pretty casual. He's the best player in the world. You don't think FC Cincinnati wouldn't fucking go overseas and see what they would do to Bartholone right now? Yeah, exactly.

FC Cincinnati was buzzing last night. They got some fast guys. Oh, yeah. So Halsey, I think is the guy's name. He's a little white dude, had a good haircut. He was catching up to Messi a lot. And I was like, ooh, ooh. Got some guys.

The game did change when Robert Taylor came on for Inter-Miami. He's been unreal since Messi. So they had him off and Martinez off. We should have never took Acosta out of the game at the end, though. He had nothing left. Yeah, they took him out at 90. Right at the

90 mark and we knew, okay, that's over. This is over. Acosta's a dog. Scored off a guy's legs last night. Complete redirection, 90 degree turn into the goal leading his boys, leading that city and Matthew just said

excuse me, let me go ahead and throw this thing on a guy's head from 30 yards away real quick this is my game yeah, they say Acosta's missing a little bit of electricity though oh, he's missing what? electricity acoustic

trying to what do you mean? Oh, he's missing what? Electricity. Acoustic. Trying to. What do you mean? Pretty darn good, Tony. Pretty darn good. There's levels to this, Tony. There is levels to this. I don't even know where we go from there.

I think we take a break. I think we take a break. Can we actually pull that up and listen to it again? You're right. Let's do a replay of what just happened there. I'd love to watch that again. That was phenomenal. Honestly, Tony, we didn't even know.

No. I feel like we're pretty good pretty quick. Immediately upon what somebody's saying. We had no idea that Tony had that level of sophistication into jokes. Unbelievable. I mean, that is intricate. That is deep there. Yeah.

Name, soccer, music, guitars, other guitars. Bingo. Wow. Seinfeld's going to be using that in his opening monologue at Madison Square Garden next week. He's punting against Messi. Real quick. This is my game.

Yeah, they say Acosta's missing a little bit of electricity though Oh He's missing what? Electricity Acoustic Trying to What do you mean? Pretty darn good Tony

Pretty darn good Let's get to a break I don't get to watch a lot of our clips Because I can't You know because I don't know what's going on Every once in a while one will have a lot of our clips, man, because I can't, you know, because I don't know what's going on. Every once in a while, one will have a lot of action. And I'm like, what did we say? Let's go in there and see what we said.

And I'll watch it back. I'm like, let's not watch a lot of those clips. Let's keep it moving. I'll tell you what, whenever you're fucking seeing the laces like that, I mean, we got to talk about it. Speaking of, oh, no. Yeah, not good. A team that sucks at baseball has lost the best player in baseball.

Player ever. For an elbow injury. Yeah, he won't be able to pitch anymore this year. He is still going to DH, though. For a terrible team? He just loves baseball. This guy just, and he's going to win the MVP. I think he's probably thinking, like, all right, well, fuck it. There's it there's like 35 games left let's see how many homers i can hit this year

but if he got surgery now he'd be rehabbing earlier right yeah but i think it's just one of those things where he's about to be a free agent so you don't want to have any kind of major elbow surgery going into a year when you're gonna sign the biggest contract but he's gonna need to have surgery, right? I mean, they haven't said for sure yet. Like, probably. But, yeah, he probably will. The age is forever.

Whenever they put this off, they always end up having Tommy John, like, later that year. It's pointless. So when do you want to get that done now? You would think so. Well, he's got to go down first before you can have the surgery. Learn that from Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy, That's right. So he'll keep batting while that swelling goes down.

I wonder if that is what his agent is saying. I wonder if that is what his agent is saying, too, though. It's just like, we need to put this off as long as possible because maybe you'll get an MRI and it's not as bad as we think it is and you won't need to have surgery because it really could be the difference between $150-$200 million what he's going to sign for in the offseason. He's going to pitch again though

at some point? Has to. He's unbelievable. He's too good not to pitch. And he's going to probably need surgery? You would assume so. I mean, a torn UCL in your elbow, like, yeah, that's no... I mean... How many pitchers came back from that? Plenty of guys elbow, like, yeah, that's no – I mean – How many pitchers came back from that?

Plenty of guys have, but, you know, those guys – He's already got Tommy on? No. He's never had Tommy on. Oh, I thought he did. I thought I read the text. No, no, yeah, he did. He did.

But that was, I think, what, five or six years ago maybe? Four years ago. I think he's got me. Maybe I saw. So he can do it. I just feel like if I'm going into my free agency, I would like to be further along in my rehab on what I'm going to get paid for, especially if my team sucks right now.

Unless you're an eye guy. If you're an eye guy, you just, oh, fuck it. I just want to win the NBP. No, the eye guy is actually saying I'm getting surgery for my contract and not hitting for the team. Sorry. Which is kind of what I would assume Shohei is. No, the eye guy is actually saying I'm getting surgery for my contract and not hitting for the team. Sorry. Which is kind of what I would assume Shohei is. No, opposite.

He loves baseball. Yeah. Yeah, so he's staying on. I love my teammates. I can still hit. Got an arm that can barely move. But with this wood in my hand, we got dong shots coming. Exactly.

For the good of this team. Bad on ball. We're going to lose 6-2 the rest of the way. Those two runs coming from this fucking bat two times. I think baseball is a little bit different too. Like with the rehab because the season is so long, like if he misses the first two or three months of the season next year with this, like that's not the end of the world.

Like that would still be enough time where he could come back and make a big enough impact for a team where they would get to play off. If you didn't want to get big surgery before the contract, he's going to have to get surgery at some point, though. You would assume that he is going to need to have elbow surgery. All right, I don't understand baseball. I don't fucking get it. Everybody on earth should be talking about this guy.

He would have had surgery right now. This guy should be getting surgery yesterday. But what the fuck do I know? I don't know anything. I got a bat right here, though. It's just a stupid sport. I'm sorry. It's a beautiful sport.

I like the playoffs. I still like the playoffs. It's a beautiful sport. Yeah, I mean, if you don't like baseball, you don't like baseball. It's kind of. Oh, I thought that was going to be like America or something. No, no. You've kind of softened it.

Well, what are you going to say? You guys don't like it. I do. I like it. I'm not going to be like America or something. No, you've kind of softened it. Well, what are you going to say? You guys don't like it. I do. I like it. I'm not going to argue against a brick wall. I'm just not going to do it. The commissioner says it's a piece of metal. There's 700 games.

He's a dipshit. This guy's going to need surgery, but we're not doing it now. And the team sucks. Team stinks. I just don't. That's not his fault. No, concur, but that's why I think he should. Get your ass under the knife.

Because maybe you'll be back. How long is rehab for Tommy on? Pretty long. Yeah, nine months to a year. Oh, Jesus. Let's get to a break. Hey, Shohei, we appreciate your service. We saw none of it.

No. No. West Coast. And bad team. Mm-hmm. But we've heard about it, and damn it, you've been amazing. You deserve it all, pal.

And we still think somebody's going to pay you a lot of money. A lot of money. Pittsburgh Pirates. The Yankees should give him $600 million and let him sit out for three months. Let him do whatever he wants. You want to wait to get surgery, miss the first three months of next year? Fucking do it, pal. What's his name? Cashman? Yeah. He said it's an embarrassment this year.

Well, he's a dipshit. They need to fire his ass and Aaron Boone, but that's neither here nor there. All right. Let's get to a break. His boys are on the Red Sox. He knows he's coming home. His best friends from Japan are. What are we talking about here?

I don't know. Yeah. He's going to Chicago, too. $600 million? I do not know who you're talking about because I thought Seattle was where. Didn't he know people in Seattle? He does like Seattle. He likes Seattle.

He likes playing there. I think there's a lot of people that don't like Seattle, especially in the Mets race and history. After I said it, I thought about it. Do you like it or not? I don't think I do. Really? So the question you just asked, you found out you were the rebuttal to.

I think the topography and the geography is great. Some of the thoughts on things, not so much. Okay. Just painting the whole city the exact same. Yeah, Tony watches Tucker and Trump one night, and here we are talking about something. I think it's 75 million views in four minutes. Yeah.

I mean, if the guy's afraid to debate, then he's afraid to debate. 200 million views this morning. Yep. 200 million. DeSantis didn't do himself any favors last night, though. Oh, I'm sure you guys fucking know what's good and what isn't. I'm sure you guys know. If you pay attention, that's not my guy anymore.

I mean, it's over. He's on to Kenny. Chris Christie is going to win the nomination. I saw his head. He's running for president. Yes, he is. I saw him on the internet. He's back, Kenny. Chris Christie is going to win the nomination. I saw his head. He's running for president. I saw him on the internet. He got cooked by somebody, obviously. That's what Chris Christie does. I was told Vivek

was running away with the whole thing. Paul? Triple H? What? Triple H is running for president? Yeah, he fucking hit the pedigree on Chris Christie to end it. Wow. That shit's wild, bro. It's getting loud in that world. Hey, hey, why don't you smart people figure it out?

Figure it out. Good luck. But I do appreciate the fact that now all of a sudden you guys are debate analysts, presidential debate. Remember when the stonks started? Oh, yeah. We had stock experts. Oh, yeah.

NFT experts. Bitcoin experts. Now we got one guy every time. Same guy every time. Presidential debate experts. The Canadian is our presidential debate expert. Well, listen, he's had to watch their guy. He's been in the trenches with the government.

I know what bad is, my friend. So who's your president? Whoa. Prime minister. Prime minister. Oh, no, I'm talking about the president of America. I'm not talking about... Aw, you pig.

The other guy's got way more problems. Okay. I don't know if there's any winning in that world at this particular stage of life. That's why I stay out of it. But I love the fact that you guys are just diving in. Oh, I love it. I'm so pumped for next year. It is going to be so much fun watching this happen.

What's Gonzo up to? No, it's not. Yeah, it's terrible. It's going to be so much fun watching this happen. Put Gonzo up, too. No, it's not. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah, it's the absolute worst. Me, too, Foxy. See? I hate it. You guys got to fucking flip that mindset.

No. No. You got to flip it and just look at it. You're getting lost in these memes. I love it. You need to get out of these memes. It's quicksand. No, I got a deep end right now.

Get out of those memes. It's dragging you down. You got to anchor deep end right now. Get out of those memes. It's dragging you down. You got an anchor on your right foot. So fun. You young naive fool. You just need to get out of there. Get out of there. So mad. Everybody's so angry. Get out of there. I'm not listening to the people. I'm strictly

listening to the people on that stage and what they are saying. You listen to We The People seven times a day. I listen to music, of course, but when I'm talking about strictly the government presidential campaign, how are you not going to listen to Donald Trump? It's hard for me not to just think, like, nothing matters. Yes.

You know, like, after the whole COVID thing and, like, what's coming out, it's like, okay, nothing matters. Where is Fauci? So, okay. Oh my God. He's not throwing out any pitches. That was when he got into my world. Whenever he threw that thing over fucking first

baseline, had to talk about it. That's why I'm eating ice cream at that thing without the thing. Ever since the moon landing, it's like, really, what is this all about? Whoa! No, he's right, because that's the last time we could actually trust and believe in something. And then since then, it's just been, you know. Did I see India just landed on the moon?

Yeah, the actual south pole of the moon. They were the first country to ever do it. Yeah. Recently. India landed on the dark side of the moon, and guess what? They're all going to die. Because everyone knows what landed on the dark side of the moon, and guess what? They're all going to die. Because everyone knows what's on the dark side of the moon. This is what these memes are doing to you.

No, no, no. Smart guy. No, no, no. These are not the memes I'm seeing. Right now, I'm seeing a lot of birds. I'm seeing a lot of Antarctica stuff. A lot of Antarctica stuff. But I'm not seeing much about the moon.

But everyone knows, you go to the dark side of the moon, boom, you're dead. Yeah. It's a great album. Let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side. AJ Hawk will be joining us. I'm sure he has some thoughts on India landing on... Zito just made a graphic.

No, no, no. They sent the traffic cone up with landing gears on the bottom of it. That's exactly what it looks like. This is the only photo they put out. Where'd you pull this from? I googled, did India land on the moon? India's Twitter account put this out. Yeah.

At India. Yeah. That's verified. They have the gold check or just the blue one? Let me see. Both. That's a good point. Those gold checks popped up out of nowhere.

They have NFL, right? See, now they have the gray ones too. Oh, you don't say it. They're going to have to have the checks for the checks. Remember when I got absolutely murdered on Twitter for saying that? You don't know what Elon's doing. You shut up in your tank top. All right.

Well, someone's going to have to differentiate. Some fake accounts. Whatever he's doing, he's doing a great job. Yeah, I mean, there's videos getting 7,000 million views. Right. Unbelievable. Three minutes after they're posted. Every human that has lived on this earth for the last 60 years saw this video.

It's unbelievable. Hey, I guess that's X, baby. That's right. Let's get to a break. AJ Hawk will be on the other side. We live in an incredibly insane time. Truly. But sports are about to really start cooking.

Now, we do have to say, over the next 14 days with nothing, this is wild that the NFL set us up for this. It's college football, though. Because we're so close, but we're not. But you're right. College football week zero this weekend. Our team's playing. Heisman Winters playing this weekend.

He's also playing. Jacksonville State's playing. Boom. Navy, Notre Dame, and Ireland, they're playing. Let's go. I mean, we got teams playing. Hawaii's playing. You think?

Huh? Let's go. There's a lot going on in Hawaii right now. And then Jacksonville State makes their D1A football debut. Smallest school in D1A football debut. Smallest school in D1A football. Yeah. You heard the name Nathan Rourke.

He was the Jags quarterback who's been making all the plays in the preseason. Canadian. Yeah, his little brother is the starter for OU and was MAAC Offensive Player of the Year last year. Looking for some fireworks from the Ohio Bobcats. Okay. Joining us now is a man who has a very warm soul and a warm heart. Every time he joins, we think to ourselves, wow, what an incredible human being. He's a philanthropist.

He has a cult event every single year that raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for a hospital. He's a man who's won a college football national championship and a Super Bowl championship. I don't know how many people have done that, but this is one of them. He's the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, the president of Ohio, COVID survivor, father of 10. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Yay! A.J., how you doing?

Hottest day on record, I guess, coming up today, 105 or something like that. You hear that? Hottest day on record, really? It's boiling. We've been hearing that for a while now. Yeah, it's no longer global warming. It is global boiling. And just like we've been saying uh smart people uh figure it out with that being said what have we figured out at this stage of the game with the jonathan taylor situation with

the indianapolis colts aj hawk now we'll be joined by billy walters here in about 13 minutes to talk about sports gambling what a perfect time to chat with this man who obviously has a book out but sports gambling is also about to take over the entire country it's already in however many states 25 30 whatever the hell it is and it's only going to grow but this jonathan taylor situation every day we kind of learn a new piece to the puzzle for instance the indianapolis colts said all right you're allowed to find a trade then the indianapolis colts came out and said you have until tuesday to find said trade we're not just going to be waiting around. Adam Sheffield said Colts have given Jonathan Taylor until Tuesday to find a suitable trade

after authorizing the star running back that he can go find a trade partner. Now, this is all coming from Stephen Holder, who now works for ESPN, formerly of the Indy Star, formerly of doing news in Miami, but he's been around Indianapolis a long time, pretty plugged in, knows a lot of people. He also expanded upon Jonathan Taylor's thoughts

and intentions in an article that he wrote on espn.com this morning where he has three different quote tweets where he's responding to people one one of the tweets says in your opinion hasn't this been an all-time boneheaded move on taylor's campsite request a massive deal in a down running back market while coming off an injury not getting that deal and then claiming you're still injured while also requesting a trade. What kind of logic is that? Shake my head. Stephen Holder says, well, it's not my place to judge other people's actions. All I can do is tell you what the intent is.

Taylor is unconvinced that Colts will ever do a long-term extension, so he is playing the only card he can. Whether we agree or disagree is immaterial. Those are the facts. Stephen Holder said, hey, Michael Blair, this is what we're talking about. Then he is playing the only card he can. Whether we agree or disagree is immaterial. Those are the facts. Stephen Holder said, hey, Michael Blair, this is what we're talking about. Then he would go on. Chef Boyarbis? Yeah, Boyarbies? Yeah, you got it. Boyardee.

Chef Boyarbies. Yeah. There it is. Chef Boyarbies. Get it, because it's Chef Boyar. We apologize, Chef. It appears to be Jake is your actual name. The issue most people are having on this entire thing is the agent. Before he switched, he was talking about his love for the organization, how he wants to retire, and then he switches agents, becomes a diva.

No player is going to get max money coming off a bad season with injury. Stephen Holder says, Jonathan Taylor is extremely intelligent and is his own man. You know what he said, Tom? Oh, yeah. Fierce. This perspective ignores a basic reality. Jonathan Taylor considered lots of agents and purposefully chose his current representative.

Sir. Sir. Sir. Sir. Chef Jake Boyard Beast. I don't know. Sir. Which I guess is something that Stephen Holder thought

that maybe wasn't being chatted about enough. And then he said, not interested in paying him at all, says Travis, or paying him at 16 million he's asking for. Big difference. What do they actually want? And then Jim Irsay told Stephen Holder personally on the record that they did not even make a contract offer to Taylor. It was never a negotiation because there was never an offer just stating a fact. Okay. So what I just learned there and a lot and i apologize for kind of running through it all steven holder now at espn he is a guy who knows a lot of people in indy so i would assume he's plugged in and everything like that they didn't make an offer

so there's never a negotiation no right so is that if there was never an offer there was never a negotiation how do we get to this point where we got public tweets kind of attacking each other where everybody hates each other there's one question follow-up jonathan taylor chose this guy to be bad cop is what i think stephen holder is saying he said listen i've been you know the mayor around here i didn't get paid running backs are getting fucked i need somebody that's going to go be bad cop that's why he hires old buddy and then also follow-up here is like what those guys are tweeting and stephen holder's answering to the chef and the others like colts fans are very okay with Jonathan Taylor not being in Indianapolis called not everybody obviously there's a lot of Colts fans are going to be very bummed about this but we are

very much at a position and I'm me included so I apologize I don't speak for everybody but a majority of people you know if you don't want to be here don't be here is kind of how this is going Florio pontificated that the Tuesday deadline might be because the Colts are just going to take the best offer and move on. What do you think? And I apologize for having to do all that, but this is the biggest story in the NFL right now. One of the best players in the NFL two years ago, and he's upset and disgruntled. How's it pan out, A.J. Hawk? Yeah, I mean, it definitely sounds like he's gone. I don't see any path where he's back on the Indianapolis Colts right now. It just doesn't – it feels like it's too far gone.

We always say, yeah, money fixes everything. Well, I don't think the money's coming from Indianapolis, and that's probably what started all this. If he expected them, hey, let's at least talk, let's negotiate something, he may have thrown some ideas out there at his agent, and then they come back with nothing. Like, no, you've got to go play under your contract. And I would assume if that's the case, that's a big part of this.

That would imply a negotiation, though. Like, a negotiation. Do they think – who knows? Until we hear Jonathan Taylor's – his side of the story and what's going on, I guess we don't know. We only hear stuff that gets leaked from the Colts side, I guess, and from people like Stephen Holder. Well, and I think Stephen Holder's probably hearing from Jonathan Taylor's side as well.

I would think that he's going to be able to be plugged in on both sides, so congrats to Stephen Holder for being able to get to that point in his career here in Indianapolis. But, like, and he's at ESPN. That's good. Hey, Stephen Holder, I remember his first year in Indianapolis. Fresh out of the news.

This guy in Miami comes into Indianapolis. He said some things like almost got boycotted from the locker room about chuck but i think he was pretty accurate with them about what his sources were saying just the way like stephen holder has been you know a guy he's been a guy here for a long time now he's got the news on jonathan taylor that everybody on earth is trying to get right now he would be the right guy to get into it but like the whole thought that maybe there wasn't even a negotiation is wild to me because then how are we so pissed off like yeah if they're you know you would understand the trade request then right if you're thinking all right i

thought we're gonna talk at least or something and then yeah because the trade request would be a part of the negotiation yes like if he that would be a move it's all part of it yeah that's a move of course that's a move everything you say publicly is a move. Everything you say publicly is a move too. Like that's what agents will say. Like you don't need to say, hey, I'm holding out right now, but we're going to figure this thing out real soon. I can't wait to get back in the field and get with my teammates. Go ahead, Pac.

What do you think about it all? I think it was conversation. The number wasn't the number that he think it should be. And it just got a little sloppy. And you know, Jim, Jim is going to do shit his way. It's just the same way.

Jerry Jones is going to do shit his way. And once he get out of, um, I think a tang of respect, um, things go sour. I don't think this can be patched up. I don't think so either. It's weird too,

because like most things are to your point, AJ, and just give them a deal, money, whatever the reality the money is and it'll be all good it's like i don't think it's like that and there's another thing i was talking to my wife about last night about it all because my wife grew up here in indiana big colts fan and uh the team that introduced indiana to the colts because indiana was a racing city indianapolis was a racing city in a Pacers city. The Colts stunk. Long time.

Colts are bad. Reggie Miller. Yeah, bingo. Reggie Miller. You talk about old cuz Jermaine O'Neal had a club here for a while. Artest. Steve Jack. There's

good Pacers history. Basketball history. I think the Basketball Hall of Fame is here. This was not a football city until Peyton Manning gets there and then that team that gets built around and then become a very passionate fan base because oh we're fucking good you know like okay we are winning so this

fan base I don't want to say like they're used to winning but like yeah we're used to winning here so for the last three years to be the clown car that it has seemingly been, and like Peyton never did this. No. This is what Colts fans are like.

So your team stinks. This team is the worst that it's been in a long time. You guys are an embarrassment to our city. Peyton never had this situation. Now he ended up getting cut, which certainly introduced us to the harsh reality of what the nfl could be the other side uh but marvin harrison this never really seemingly happened to the extent in which this is happening dallas clark this this never happened the way that it did jeff saturday gary bracket ryan deem charlie johnson the people that introduced

football to the indianapolis fans yeah and i'm'm not saying there wasn't people that knew, but you get it. They all have this, this is what football is. This is what success is. This is what we need. And if you don't want to be here, we don't fucking want you to be here. That's how Colts fans feel. So I think Jim Irsay maybe got a little sense of that, of like, yeah, brother, you don't deserve to be a Colt if this is how you want to act while our team is our worst.

So that goes back to the point where I don't know if money can cure that. I don't know if money can cure people being like, this guy's, not only was he a part of the downfall of our entire organization, but now he's like bad-mouthing the organization and saying he wants out. It's ugly, and this was not who Jonathan Taylor was at all, but if you go back to what Stephen Holder said, he knew he wasn't like this, and then he was like give me a bad guy I need it to happen I just think it was a bad move to the first person that tweeted in the calendar year in which he did it when he did it this particular year coming off I just think it was

a bad business move I think he's still a great football player I think if he was to go to another team he's going to do great I hope he gets paid But the way it's been managed here in Indy, it seems like it was a sabotage mission from the beginning not to be an Indianapolis Colt anymore. And I think Colts fans feel that way. It's almost as if the running backs, because they had that little powwow, it's not as if this would be the situation, but it's almost like, hey, Jonathan, you're the next guy up.

You're getting paid $4 million. If you think you should get more money, it's not just you you're the next guy up you're getting paid four million if you think you should get more money it's not just you you're doing this for like hey half of us five of us are going to be free agents next year and it's kind of someone's gotta not you know fall on the sword but if there was ever a time to do it and be like kind of a trailblazer for the running backs and getting better deals would they not ask maybe yeah jonathan and i think colts fans would be very appreciative that he would remain loyal to his running back brother and around the NFL as opposed to the Indianapolis fucking Colts.

Yeah. Which is a whole other thing to just even pile on to the like, what the hell are we doing here? And if there was never a money offer made, I guess that kind of can rule off the table of them saying. What if he never wanted to be back? I know we made all those comments in the spring. I signed my contract.

I'll play it out. What if something happened, whatever the offense is, whatever it might be? He's like, I don't want to play here anymore. Get me out. And that's why he might not be loyal to the Colts. It's like, hey, I've had three years, and I've had three different quarterbacks,

and you paid all the old linemen that blocked for me, and they didn't block very well. So, yeah, I don't have any loyalty to the Colts. I have more loyalty to the running back. Then in April, he shouldn't have done what he did. If he wanted the move to go the way it is. Now, granted, he goes to a big market. They win. He does well.

This wall is completely forgotten about. But in the moment, it's loud around the NFL. Allegedly, six teams have questioned or inquired about about but like in the modern nfl we talk to gms howie allegedly philadelphia always in on everything yep brandon bean of the buffalo bills if he hears anything he wants to know if there's anything going on what's the level of cool uh commitment about the inquiries and then there's two people that have allegedly made offers the dolphins being one of them yes like what was their offer was their offer? Because we saw Isaiah Simmons today go for a bag of balls. So, like, you know, like, what is the level of interest?

They're trying to gauge. Don't you think each team is probably trying to gauge, hey, what are teams throwing out there for possible offers? What are you offering up to try to get this guy on your team? And if you can find some good value, why wouldn't they try to reach out and pick him up? Yeah, and are they going to pay him a deal? Are they going to pay him what he's worth right now?

Like, are people reaching out? Like, is Jonathan Taylor available for $4 million? Is this a personal thing or is this a business thing? No, you're probably going to have to pay him. And then Jonathan Taylor's rep is like, yeah, you're going to have to pay me. And they're like, okay, well let us know if that changes.

Are people doing that? Because Jonathan Taylor at $4 million, I think everybody is going to be in on that and that would make sense. That seemingly is what Rapp and Shefty are saying, but is that something he's going to accept because they don't even want a new deal?

It doesn't matter, I guess not, because the Colts can do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah, exactly, and it seems like if there was no negotiation, everything changed. They may have came with a number, and then the Colts maybe would have been more pliable on what they were going to do but then his agent publicly dissed and kind of embarrassed ursa on twitter and i feel like after that like either they were probably super cold toward him and like

the kind of whole attitude and environment changed and then i think from that point on it was kind of just like all right fuck this guy like we we tried we tried to play nice. We tried to do right by him, you know, for what we thought was fair. And, like, you know, again, we can say what we want. Like, you know, Ursa, like, these guys have egos. There's a reason you're a billionaire. When you fucking publicly try to embarrass a guy and, like, shit on him and his reputation and everything, like, that's never going to end well, ever.

Yeah, but what we hope happens is it ends well for everybody. I think whatever team he's signed with is going to be intentions of him getting the deal. There's no way that he's signing with another team to go play up under the $4 million. Yeah, concur. Unless it's just that personal that they hate each other.

It just can't work, which it might be. We have no idea. Oh, it's personal. We've got to pivot away from Jonathan Taylor and chat about a great of all time oh yeah in a particular field that is blossoming in the united states of america every single day his name has been synonymous with sports gambling while remaining anonymous somehow for decades and decades and that was a part of the entire thing these sports books were trying to sniff out where the fuck his decisions and opinions were coming from, what humans are working for this guy, because what he'll do is he'll hit us with a left jab.

Ooh, we'll put $100,000 on this side. The Vegas people will find out. That's Billy Walters. He must like it. Then he's coming on the other side. $500,000 on the other side. How about that? This guy bullied sportsbooks so much that his name started getting whispered around the entire country even though there was no internet there

was no legal sports gambling everybody knew of this human's existence including the government sent his ass to fucking jail yep but who would he be if he wasn't the most successful gambler of all time who had a little run in with the law? Ladies and gentlemen, the author of the new book called Gambler, Secrets from a Life at Risk. Legend in the gambling world who actually bought a roulette machine one time and studied it so much so that he could go into the fucking Wynn Casino and beat them. We're talking consummate gambler, big brain author now. Ladies and gentlemen, Billy Walters.

What's up, man? Hey, nuts shaking, man. Thanks for having me. This is my kind of show. You guys have a lot of fun. Hey, we try to, Billy. And listen, I, whenever we found out that there was a chance you could come on the show, we were all very surprised because I grew up in Pittsburgh. A lot of Italians, obviously. We all know what happens there. Okay, listen, I'm actually 0.01% got a horn necklace. Okay, so let's all remember that. We've known of sports gambling. Your name, though, I've known it literally forever. I think everybody has. And then I started reading a little bit about you. You started gambling when you were nine. Then you become this guy who's gambling

hundreds of millions of dollars a year, and you're winning all the time when everybody else loses. How did you get to that point? You're just smarter than everybody? Is that what you think? Did you pick it up quicker, or are you just the most invested in sports gambling? That's why it's all hit. Pat, I guess I was a hard-headed dude and just had a tremendous amount of resilience, and I kept getting knocked down. I tell you how I got good, Pat, is I kept losing. I lost and lost and lost, and I just kept after it

and finally figured it out. It wasn't easy, and that's one of the reasons I wrote this book. At one time, I was called a beginning average gambler, and I went through a lot of shit that guys are going to go through today that are going to start gambling, legalized sports betting. Again, I'm so happy it's here because it's something that I've kind of dreamed of for a long time. It wasn't that long ago, Pat, that I got indicted four times in the gaming capital of the world,

in Nevada, Las Vegas, for betting on sports. I went to court four times, and I beat them four times. And everybody, obviously, you won. I mean, that's what you do. And here we are. Yeah, but here we are a few years later, and now it's legal, and it's great, and I'm so happy it is. But I also know that, you know, beating sports on a regular basis, Pat,

is a really difficult thing to do, 11 to 10. And so that was one of the reasons, just one of the reasons I wrote this book. I'm 77. I'm not getting any younger. And I went and sold this information, Pat, 10 years ago for $20 million. But I'm 77, like I say. I'm not going to live forever. It's my legacy. And I wanted to give

this to the guys who are betting sports. They're going to have a lot better shot than they would have had on their own. I put everything in there that I know about it, Pat. I didn't leave nothing out. There's stuff in there for the average guy that will help him a lot. Betting strategy, money management system, all the charts that explain the value of all the points and money lines and what to pay.

Then there's an advanced section in there, Pat, for I don't care who the guy is. He's going to learn a lot in that also. So there's a couple of things in there. By the way, salute to Froggy's Bar. I used to spend quite a bit of time in Pittsburgh and that's one of my favorite cities. Did they know you were there? The books didn't know you were there, right? I mean, you had to live in like anonymity forever for this

whole thing, right? That was a big part of the whole Billy Walters gimmick, right? Nobody fucking knew who you were? Yeah, I was kind of at that. A lot of guys are betting sports. They'll play on Sunday night Monday when the numbers first come out and they're fairly soft.

You can bet a small amount of money. I was never really interested in winning a small amount of money. I was interested in trying to win a large amount of money. In order to do that, you've got to wait until later in the week to play, and you've got to have a lot of different places you can bet. The sports market really is not that big at all compared to Wall Street. And, you know, if you want to bet, say, during the regular season, a million and two million bucks on an NFL game, you know, you got to bet a lot of places.

And I put up, you know, I put together a network. When I closed in 2016, Pat, and I prepared for trial in that insider trading case, and we had an office in Panama City, Panama. I had 1,600 accounts in that office, and that had about another 100 accounts in Las Vegas. So we were betting literally all over the world, and that's how we were able to best sell money. Frankly, that might have been as difficult as the handicapping part was, or maybe even more difficult. You know, putting all those accounts together,

but more importantly, maintain it. Yeah, I mean, when you're betting hundreds of millions of dollars, 1,600 accounts in Panama City, Panama. Whoa. I mean, you're on the run there. You're a full outlaw in this entire thing. But also, you've got to manage now where everything's going at every single turn i couldn't

even imagine the back end paperwork to keep track of everything what a nightmare everybody just paid you just paid you because they didn't know or because obviously the horror stories back in the day of sports betting is if somebody loses you know they're gonna come get you hey you're gonna hey you might give a baseball back to the shins. Yep. You know what I mean? They're going to do that whole thing. Break your hand.

You never had that issue, I guess, because you always seemingly ended up up and paid your bets. But was it ever hard for you to collect money whenever it wasn't regulated, legalized, or anything like that? Well, Pat, first of all, I was in Las Vegas. I had an office in Panama City, Panama. I had about 30 guys down there running that. I've been stiff for millions and millions of dollars. I mean, by bookmakers, not by, you know, they didn't pay me. And I've been stiff by people I did business with.

I never had the arm laid on me for trying to collect any money from me. I've had the arm laid on me for trying to shake me down as I share in the book, you know. But the, so yeah, I've had a little taste of getting stiffed. I've had a little taste of, you know, different things in my life, you know, as a gambler. But I never had any issue with anybody ever trying to muscle me because I didn't pay them because I pay everybody. That's a smart play.

That's actually quick pay, you know, quick friends. Go ahead, AJ. I'm curious. When you see people gambling on sports now, what's the biggest mistake you see, like amateurs or people that kind of just are casual gamblers? What's the biggest mistake they make? Pat, what I put in the book, AJ, I'm sorry, excuse me. AJ, what I put in the book is I put some basic strategy in there.

And the basic strategy is the majority of them, they got one bookmaker they're betting. I mean, you're making the biggest mistake in the world if you do that. You've got to shop around. You've got to get the best numbers. You need as many bookmakers as you can possibly bet with in order to see what the market is. The second thing is, AJ, I see a lot of people playing parlays and teasers. People bet sports. They're under the pretense they're laying 11 to win 10. uh and on a straight bet you are but a lot of these parlays and teasers you land a dollar 25 a dollar 30. you got no

chance to win and then i see people buying half points and they're paying way too much money to buy a half point uh uh you know there's, you know, things such as that. And the other thing I see, AJ, is I see people getting involved, thinking they're going to make a lot of money real quick. They go in, they get themselves, you know, overboard. They got started chasing their money and they end up losing a lot of money they shouldn't lose to get themselves in trouble. You know, my simple advice is, look, get you as many bookmakers as you can.

Shop around. Get the best number. I put the charts in the book, AJ, so everybody can understand what the true odds are. But more importantly, if you're going to buy half a point, every point has a different value. Some are a lot more important than others. As you know, Pat, three is the most important

number in football. Hey, thank you, baby. That's right. That's right, baby. But anyway. Really fucking number. Hell yeah. That's right.

But every other number has a different value, too. So if you're buying half a point, you've got to know the right value to play. How does a money line compare to a point spread? What's the right price? So all of that stuff, I put every one of those charts in the book to help people. You got to have a money management system. You got to have some kind of plan. You can't go out there on Sunday and lose three

bets and all at once there's a game on Sunday night and, oh, I really don't my nose is open. I'm a loser. I'm going to double up and catch up. You're better on a game you really don't have an opinion on. You cannot let your emotions take over while you're gambling, H.A. You got to keep your head straight.

Thanks, Billy. Yeah, fine. Try. How do we do that? You could get in a whole tub. I mean, what do we have? Well, I'll give you a little insight. You know, whatever games that you decide you're going to bet before they start,

just make a promise to yourself yourself regardless of what happens i'm not betting on any more games unless something actually comes up that i realized i've got some value here and i got the best of it but i'm not going to bet another game today just because i'm losing that ain't gonna happen billy my weight goes from 285 pounds to 235 pounds the amount of promises i've broken with my fucking self you know what i mean mean? I wish. That's a real talent that you had. And I do believe this book Gumbler, Secrets from a Life at Risk is going to become like the sports gambling

bible like Doyle Brunson had with poker. You remember back in the day when poker had its big boom. World Series of Poker happened. Texas Dolly wrote that book and everybody was like, I'm reading it. I'm reading it. I'm learning poker. I think you're doing the same exact thing right now with the sports gambling. So we want to say thank you for spilling some game to the rest of us.

Now, whenever you're talking about a book promotion, there's going to be excerpts that are released before the book is out that are obviously going to garner a lot of headlines. This book is no different. The Phil Mickelson stuff really became the conversation for everybody because of how big the numbers were that a professional athlete was gambling while he was in professional athletics. Now, he's disputed the Ryder Cup thing. We don't have to get into that. That ain't this type of show anyways. But whenever Phil Mickelson and you kind of link up to start gambling, how many years of success did you guys have before it may be one a different way and

how do those types of relationships start for you throughout your history where somebody has a shit ton of money and they're like all right sportsbooks can't find this guy the government can't find this guy no but this guy is no he's a ghost but somehow they find you and end up being part of how does that whole thing start and how many of those types of guys did you have over your run? Well, I did business with thousands of them over my run. I couldn't bet sportsbooks. A lot of sportsbooks wouldn't take my business because I beat them. Excuse me.

I met him in 2006 at Pebble Beach. I was playing in the AT&T at Pebble Beach. And he and I, I made a cut on Sunday. I was playing with Freddie Yock, a pro. He was playing with Steve Lyons, a guy at Ford Motor Company. That's who he had a business relationship with. The entire day, all he talked to me about was sports. And I never saw him again for two years. And I ran into him at the Wachovia Championship. I played in a pro-am there. And after the round, he approached me in the locker room. He said, I understand you do partnerships. And I said, I do partnerships if someone has bigger accounts than I have, or they have places that they

can bet that I can't bet. And of course he did. He had some really big accounts. Our relationship, Pat, was real simple. It was a business relationship. It was a betting relationship that began as a business relationship for five years. I thought we became friends, and our friendship lasted eight years. And then what happened is, and the only reason he's in the book is two chapters of 28. But he's in the book for one reason, not really for our gambling relationship. I had to explain that in order to explain, you know, how I knew him. But the reason he's in the book, when I got

indicted in the Southern District of New York for insider trading, Phil had already been interviewed by the FBI on two different occasions and told them I did not give him insider information. So when I went to trial in New York, he had told me he would come and testify. All I wanted him to do was tell the truth. In the 11th hour, his lawyers called my lawyers and said, you know, if we call him, he's going to take the Fifth Amendment. Well, if someone tells you that, you cannot call them. So what had happened earlier, he gave a million dollars back and involving this insider trading case. There was a press release issue. And the average person in the public's going to

look at his press release and see him giving us a million dollars back and they're going to say, well, why did he give us a million dollars back? Either he's guilty, he bought his way out, or he was an innocent victim and he bought his way out. But regardless, it makes me look guilty as hell, which was, you know, that wasn't the case. So anyway, all I want him to do is come forward and tell the truth. But the problem was, Pat, he was jacked up in another case that began a year ago prior to that.

He'd wired $2.8 million to a guy to pay off some offshore bookmakers that had nothing to do with me. I didn't even know they were buying. And in that federal case he was in, the guy he wired the money to, he ended up going to prison. And when Phil gave this million dollars back, all I watched, poof, he's out of that case. And he won't come forward and he won't testify on my trial. I made a mistake in the trial. I should have testified myself. But the bottom line was there was one guy who testified against me.

There was one guy who testified against me. Two years before that, the guy had gone in and given a voluntary interview, emphatically denied that he'd ever given me any inside information. I don't just stop that for 10 years. Okay. After he gave that statement, the FBI continued to investigate this guy. They found out he'd embezzled money from a battered women's charity in Dallas, Texas. They found out he filed a fraudulent tax return. They found out he actually gave inside information to someone else. And then after that, two years later, after he said he didn't give me inside

information, he went to them and made a deal. And the deal was, he would tell them that I did. He had 29 meetings with the FBI, 29 to get his story straight. And that was the only witness against me. So in our trial, the lawyers destroyed his credibility. They caught him in 25 lies. Nobody in the courtroom could believe a word the guy said. My lawyers believe, look, we got this case won. The jury can't believe this guy. We're going to wrap this case up. I had 23 witnesses to call, including myself. We put on five witnesses. The jury had been there three and a half weeks.

The judge had to stop the trial on multiple occasions because the jurors were going to sleep. And one guy had already said the next week he was leaving. One of the jurors did. So we wrapped the case up. And the bottom line is they found me guilty. I went to prison. While I was in prison, Pat, my daughter committed suicide. I never heard a word from Phil Mickelson the entire time.

After I was convicted, he issued a press release, dissing himself from me. He said he was going to be a lot more careful about who he associated with. After I got out of prison, I was in a club he belongs to and I belong to. I'm playing golf with some friends. I want to hit some balls on the range. I'm walking off. He walks up to me with a TV smile on his, and he said,

oh, I'm so glad you're back home. I'm so glad to see you're playing golf again. And we had a few private words, and I left, and I haven't spoken to him since. But the bottom line is when I decided to write this book I didn't even know it at the time. Two other fellows came forward you know

and one guy started doing business with him in 1995 so a lot of those figures, those documented figures, they came from him. And the five years were the figures involving he and I or what are in there. It's a combination of the two amounts of money is where the figures came from.

Now, there was a guy who helped me write this book. His name was Armin Katayan. He's an investigative reporter. He worked for CBS for eight years. He was with CBS Sports for a period of time. Very credible guy. And he interviewed these guys, vetted them in their entirety.

And so there's no question about the information being accurate. And I do want to correct one other thing, Pat. Yes, sir. He's created some, you know, and I can tell possibly even yourself, there's a little bit of misunderstanding. He had denied what I said. All I said in my book was, Pat, he attempted to bet $400,000 on the Ryder Cup when the U.S. team played at Madonna. I didn't say he bet it. I said

he tried to bet it. It's right in the book. He issued a very clever statement. He said, I never bet on the Ryder Cup. He never denied for a second he tried to bet on the Ryder Cup. He hasn't, and I don't think he's going to. And then Rory dunked on him. Yeah. Rory dunked on him immediately afterwards. That was the entire thing, which I think, you know, for a book sale is probably good.

But for us, it was like, okay, what's going on between Phil and Billy here? And then we just hear this. You guys are never going to make up, huh? That's never going to, that feels like you probably sat in jail a few times thinking about how the hell did Phil Mickelson do this to me? And that is probably why you got to the point that you got to it. Well, Phil, I mean, Pat, when my daughter died in prison,

I committed suicide there was no question in my mind I was going to write this book I had 31 months in prison to play Monday morning quarterback on what happened Phil's in the book for one reason only to tell the story

there's a lot of stuff about Phil that's not in my book alright okay believe it or not there's a lot of stuff about film that's not in that's not in my book alright okay so believe it or not I took the real high road with film well it does sound like there's a lot of history we apologize that that happened

obviously anytime a friend feels betrayed by another friend that is going to cut the deepest we hope that there is somehow some way you two can get back or not. Sounds like that is a, that ship has sailed, but we appreciate you opening up right there because I think a lot of people were kind of, we saw it all kind of unfold on the internet over the last like two weeks, but we didn't know the full story. We appreciate you telling us that all. And I

assume it isn't easy to dive back into those feelings and emotions. So thank you for doing that in his book. That's going to help a lot of people. Speaking of helping people, we have a gumbler. Two of them on our show. They host a daily sports gambling podcast called Hammer Down. And that's a hammer down, you know, because we like it. You know what I mean? Hammer down on that.

You know, we fucking like it, Billy. We really do. That's where it all came from. And he is geeked to ask you some questions about gambling. So we appreciate you making him a better gambler because he tells us how to gamble. And in doing so, this is a massive moment, which I assume you're having a lot of now that people know who you are and you're talking to more gamblers and young gamblers that want to be great. Go ahead, Tone Diggs.

Yeah, Billy, you talked about in the book how there's inexperienced. There's stuff in there for inexperienced gamblers and then maybe some more experienced gamblers. I think the main difference, a lot of the experienced gamblers say that they come up with their own power ratings and their own lines and things like that so that when the books come out with their lines, they know which side of the game they already want to be on. For the inexperienced gamblers who don't have the time

or know how to create their own lines or models or power ratings or whatever is can you be a successful gambler year over year as an experience inexperienced and not making your own lines and stuff like that or do you think someone who wants to win over year over year over year has to create their own lines and model and power ratings uh over the years i've had 25 of the top top handicappers in the world work for me, and I've had like seven of them at a time. I spent millions and millions of dollars every year on research and development. Those handicappers, some of them are quantitative handicappers, some of them are qualitative handicappers. The qualitative guys don't even know how to turn a computer on.

The qualitative guys don't even know how to turn a computer on. So in the book, there's a lot of variables that go into it. I put every potential variable that could be involved in a game in there. So, yes, to answer your question, if you get really good numbers, you shop around and get the best prices. You've got multiple accounts. And you can beat sports without even knowing how to turn a computer on. And I know guys that have worked for me for a long period of time, and they contribute substantially to my overall opinion in regards to what I'm going to do. substantially to my overall opinion in regards to what I'm going to do. My other question also is we talk about all the time on here where all the public money is,

say, you know, 85% is on the Chiefs all the time, obviously. And then we sometimes I feel like gamblers in general make too big of a deal about where the public money is. Do you care about where the public money is? No. I only care about where the public money is? No. I only care about where the public money is because as I put in the book, there's a strategy in there for getting a pretty good idea

of which way the line's going to move. I share that strategy in there. I'm pretty good at moving money. I can pretty much tell you on Monday morning which way a game's going to move and what it'll be at by game time. And I put that a hundred percent strategy in there for the average person. Now I list five sport book,

but anyway, it's, it's in a book and it's simple. Anyone can follow this, but, but you know, that taking, you know,

taking good numbers is one of the most important things in the world, betting sports. You cannot take bad numbers. You just can't do it and win. But as far as a lot of times, more times than not, I'm betting against the public because, again, in my book, everything I'm stressing is value. And so majority of the time, the value is against the public. Yeah, well, we've kind of started doing that as well. And anytime we feel like we're on the public side, it's like, of course.

So we're going to lose, you know, those fucking chandeliers over in all those casinos are, are there for a reason. They're going to beat us for you though. You're not paying attention to that because everybody's trying to pay attention to what you're doing. Like literally what is the sharps doing? What are the sharps doing? Everybody asks asked there was a time where the sharps were like where's billy walters headed yeah what an honor that has to be for you that everybody's trying to track what your brain's doing but also i think it's very kind of you to release the book

saying hey here's where i am on it are you still gambling right now sports gambling yeah when i got out of prison fat i, I took a year. I had to update my model. And, yes, excuse me. Pardon me. I'm sorry. Anyway, I had to start back, and I started back last year. I had a good year, and I'll gamble.

What's a good year? What's a good year? What's a good year? I'm sorry? What's a good year? Like millions, hundreds of thousands? No, it's millions. And I've had years, and I've won as much as 80, Like millions, hundreds of thousands? No, it's millions.

I've had years and I've won as much as 80. I haven't had a losing year, Pat. When I went into prison, I won 36 years in a row. I stopped because I went to prison. You couldn't get a guard to run any fucking bets? Really? No, I wasn't really studying any bets in prison. But back to what you're talking about, and this is whether you're a quantitative handicapper

or you're doing it with a computer. At the end of the day, it's in the book. You know, there's enough information in there. You're going to have your own opinion about what you feel like the outcome of the game is. And my formula's in there, you're going to have your own opinion about what you feel like the outcome of the game is. And my formula is in there. All I do, Pat, is I make a line on the game, just like the odds maker do. That's what I am. I'm an odds maker. The only difference is I bet. Okay, I make a line on the game. If there's enough of a differential, I'm going to bet. The larger the differential, the bigger the bet's going to be. Okay, that's what determines the size of the bet.

But I would advise any average handicapper out there, if, you know, look at these games. Come up with your own opinion. Yeah, it's not that easy, Billy. I know it isn't that easy, but at the end of the day, whatever your opinion is or whatever side game you're going to do, bet your opinion against whatever you think the number is. And there's different ways to come up with an opinion.

In the book, I put, like I said, if you don't even know how to use a computer, there's 40 things in there you can use to give you a much better opinion of the outcome of one of these games. Last question here from AJ. Go ahead, pal. Billy, I've listened to you talk about the extensive research you do for any bet that you make, and you also, I guess, use your instincts as well. Is there any kind of ratio in these bets of how much of your instincts

you trust sometimes compared to the research? Or is it sometimes just, hey, the numbers tell me to do this, but my brain's telling me something else? The numbers are only part of what I do, AJ. I mean, as you know, there's times when you've got morale, you've got, you know, injuries are the most important thing in the world in the NFL once the season begins. And the other thing is, you know, I mean, occasionally you'll end up in a situation where you've got a real bad thing going on with a particular team,

with coaches and things like that. But my intuition, I've been doing this a long time, has something to do with what I'm going to do. But the majority of what I do is based upon the combination of the quantitative and qualitative analysis that we do. But, yeah, I will tweak it from time to time. All right, so the book is out now, Gambler. A, hold on, let me get the exact phrases here.

Secrets from a life at risk. Holy shit. Unreal. I appreciate that. You know, you had to live a risky life to give us the secrets of it so we don't have to live it. We just get to win it. Formula's in the book, he said.

A lot of these stories are in the book. Now, I know people are trying to find out what your picks are every single week. That's like an actual thing. So this might go against everything you believe in can we figure out a way to get one pick a week from you uh i don't know i you know probably not ladies and gentlemen billy walters thank you ladies and gentlemen he's going into his ninth year last year he made the pro bowl was his best gentlemen, Billy Walters. Thank you, pal. Yay!

Ladies and gentlemen, he's going into his ninth year. Last year, he made the Pro Bowl. It was his best year yet. Or maybe it was his most recognized year yet. An absolute dog from Texas went to Missouri. Former second-round draft pick, ladies and gentlemen, Buffalo Bill Center, Mitch Moore. Yay! Gentlemen, how are we? Hey, how's training

camp? How we feeling? We're almost out of the woods, I would assume. We got a two-week break before the regular season starts. That's nice. How's the body? How do we feel, Mitch? I mean, dude, you know how training camp goes. It's a nightmare in general, but it's been good. You know, Coach has done such a good job of kind of working with the CBA

and stuff like that and working when we need to work, getting some rest when we need to. But just in general, just old and kind of shitty, to be honest. Coach is not a good job. I'm just tired. Coach is not a good job following the fucking rules. Okay, so let's make sure we know that. Offensive lineman, I think offensive lineman worst training camp?

I think so, right? Yeah, you guys have the worst. You know, yeah. Yeah, that's about right. But, you know, I think at the same it uh you know it yeah yeah that's about right but i you know i think at the same time um you know little victories in the day whether it's from shells to pads and uh all that really doesn't change much for us and uh um yeah it's just training camp man i i'm trying to find something fun to say but it's uh it it is what it is it's a necessary evil you know everyone has gone through it uh not only from camaraderie's sake,

kind of working through getting your body back into it. I do think that in there ramping up and getting your body used to those long-ass weeks in the season, it's a necessity. But it's not the most fun. Yeah, O-linemen are always the best people in the middle of training camp to go up to and go, boys, you get to do this. Yeah, you're luckyemen are always the best people in the middle of training camp to go up to and go, boys, you get to do this. Yeah. Yeah, you're lucky.

You're lucky. Millions of people wish they had your – come on. Run your face into that other guy again. Now. Come on. It's 110. Let's – you're lucky. You're lucky.

You know, they gave us – we got guardian caps now, so it's cool. That works well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's an extra layer of protection. I know A.J. Hawk would have been a big fan of those, especially one-on-ones. Imagine A.J.'s noggin with that helmet with the guardian thing. Come on. Even that big fucking hat that that dude from the Commanders is wearing. That's what A.J. Hawk's walking

around with, the bobblehead. How does it feel, though? Honestly, I don't know as much. How does it feel hitting with that thing? Does it feel like a weird dull thud? Yeah. For me, who dies, bashes brains in so times like uh it does help a little bit in my opinion like and i don't know where in the game sweden i know uh no he's such a hater mitch please don't listen let's people said they might people said they might he's a hater mitch

don't listen to this guy you know i i think to a point they're they're good but i i do think when it comes to games, I just don't see how that would happen. You've got to play the game as it's played right now, but for a guy who wants to know the name of his kids in 30 years, I think it does help just the little ins and outs of some of the training camp hits.

There's little wins, huh? Yeah, there we go. There's little wins right there. Kid's name. Yeah, cool. You take one of those guardian shots, somebody blinds your hole, you know what I mean? They're playing a little game, you've got a little twist. Your own a little wind right there. Kid's name. Yeah, cool. You know, you take one of those Guardian shots, somebody blind, ear hole. You know what I mean? They're playing a little game. You got a little twist. Your own teammates, by the way.

Yeah. This is period two of practice two. You got another 10 after this. Ear hole. Bang. How you doing? Oh, the Guardian kind of softened that a little bit. That's nice.

I'm going to remember my kid's name. That's cool. Let me get to period three now. What's this? Oh, one-on-ones. Okay, great. Here we go. And now we're just off and running.

We appreciate everything you guys do for the game of football. It never gets talked about enough until it obviously pops up and you guys fuck up. So we appreciate everything about it. You mentioned, though, in training camp, though, good for camaraderie. You know, I think that's the biggest thing about going to a training camp. You get away. You're kind of all you got. You learn a lot about each other.

Your team, a lot of people returning, a lot of familiar faces. How are the vibes this year in the camp? Because outside, nobody's really talking about you guys like it was last year. How is it inside the building over there during this obviously very important time? I do think you find some solace in the fact that you guys are all going through this together, whether you're teammates. Going away from training camp, not many teams do that anymore. I really enjoy it

because it does put yourself in an aspect of like, oh, we're in football mode now. And so say when walkthrough's over at night and you have an hour or two to kill, instead of just kind of going your separate ways, you kind of are, I don't want to say forced, but you have this opportunity to

even get to know teammates you've been around for a bit but maybe you're outside your position group or uh you know guys who you haven't really gotten to get down to nitty-gritty with i do think that's a huge part of the deal and then uh you know misery loves company so when you're in training camp you know you you don't really remember the little things and certain things you remember like suffering certain days and how you did that with your friends. You do that with your buddies. Or maybe a hard workout in college. Remember that one day where they kicked the shit out of us

and we all threw up and it was awesome? That's kind of the fun thing where you get to do together. I think when you go away for training camp, you have that moment where you get these bonds that it's hard to replicate outside of football. How's McDermott's camp? It sounds like it is a real one, not that offensive linemen wouldn't have a tough camp, but if you had to compare this to maybe previous year's camps, is it similar? Are we changing now that he's calling plays on the defensive side? What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think he's done a good job. We were all a little bit, you know, we're wondering how he was

going to remove Church and state, right? Like as being a head coach and then also like scripting against us in the offense. He's done a fantastic job of, uh, of really kind of playing it true to as it is. And, uh, it's, it's a tough training camp, but it's one that we get a lot out of every period. It's not just kind of a, we don't, we go through every period.

It's got a certain aspect to it you know third downs or uh you know every team does that but every single day he kind of lays the plane for certain situations that have come up in the past for us or they've come up for other teams and how those can resonate throughout the rest of the year and how those might come up oh the why you know understanding the whys of things really helps a lot of people buy in more and also do that. With the grain of salt when you're in play four of an eight-play run period, it is what it is.

But you do go through it and you feel like you're getting a lot out of it. Mitch, I told you earlier, we need to work on you pulling and hitting that corner five times today in a row because in December we're going to need it. You're going to be tired again. I love it. I just love your thought. Oh, yeah, okay.

Fuck in December, huh? 120 fucking degrees. Offensive linemen are the best, dude. The absolute best. You have to have the mentality of just like, yeah, my life's going to suck. That's what it is. But I get to do it. Remember, hey, Mitch, get to it.

Hell yeah. You get to it. What an opportunity, man. Opportunity. Opportunity, opportunity. Pac-Man has a question for you, Mitch. Hey, Mitch, this football season is going to be crazy, and we got a lot of great quarterbacks.

And our question as a group the other day was, how long does it take for a line to be one sound, one band? Because the line have to be all in sync. Does it take game reps? Does it take two weeks, three weeks? How long does it take y'all to get in one rep where everybody's on the same page? Excellent question, Pac-Man. Great sunglasses.

They are. Hey, these motherfuckers. Shout out to Conor. Hey, he's got blue leather pants on right now Dude, it's 110 outside You play over 10 years You can do whatever the hell you want You can wear whatever the hell you want, they look good

That's a great question, Pat I think the unfortunate thing about offensive line Not only is it Five guys have to work together But it's a war of attrition sometimes You guys are going to have your ebbs and flows with injuries. You know, certain guys are going to go through certain things, but it really is just repetition after repetition, walkthrough after walkthrough,

just the little intricacies. I would relate it probably to the defense as well. It's almost the unsaid communication at times that you get through by just repetitions. And then you've got young dudes you're trying to get along to get going. And, you know, we have Josh back there that adds a lot of pressure to it. But it's a beautiful thing because we have a guy that we need to protect. And sometimes it's not so much pressure,

but it's a sense of urgency to kind of get everyone on the same page and have these opportunities where in the walkthroughs you can, you know, it's just coaches speak, but it's the truth is you get to steal these reps, these opportunities, even if it's not physical to maybe they correlate to the game. It's a big moment that you can keep your quarterback clean and getting everyone on the same page. And the reality of it is rarely you're going to have all five guys

doing the same thing at once. You just try to mitigate those as much as possible so that you have as much flow as the same thing at once. You just try to mitigate those as much as possible so that you have as much flow as possible with an offensive line. I love that you're a big proponent of walkthroughs. It's coach speak, but on Saturday, no pads. People are walking. We can get good work in here, Coach McDermott.

You have to, dude. You have to. I mean, week 12, 13, you're beat to hell. If you can't get something done, a walkthrough, and then you've got to go out there and practice, it's a nightmare. Yeah, especially – hey, all these teams, Mitch, okay, I don't know how dialed in you are to what the news is around the national media, but all the hype around the entire offseason about these teams,

the Jets, I think, the Carolina Panthers, you name any team basically that was being talked about a lot, now the big question is, like, how's the offensive line going to be? Yeah. Like it's like the last question that like everybody asks. And it's obviously anybody that's been in football knows it's, this is where we're going to win at too. You know what I mean?

Like this is how you go about winning football. It never gets chatted about. Do you think that's going to change? Do you think offensive linemen as we continue to evolve as a football fandom, people are going to start like Mitch Moore's jerseys are going to change? Do you think offensive linemen, as we continue to evolve as a football fandom, people are going to start, like Mitch Moore's jerseys are going to be flying everywhere. I don't think that.

What I do think is the jersey thing. The offensive line thing, absolutely. I think, especially when you have a guy like Aaron Rodgers or these quarterbacks, an NFL team is the franchise is revolved around the quarterback as much as people sometimes don't want to say it it's the truth and when you have

guys directly correlated to protecting that quarterback uh you know your mistakes are amplified and when you do your job it's it's of course that's what you're supposed to do and that's okay i mean do you get a little crass about it and you talk about it in the locker room when no one's looking sure but at the same time like you got to protect your franchise and you do it the best you can you try to head to grace you try to do it with some pride uh it's gonna be perfect all the time no but uh you know it's a little bit of pressure but that's what comes with it and that's talking about misery loves company. I think when you talk about offensive linemen, it's just you understand that it's an ungratified position, and that's okay. We didn't do it for the gratification. You know, we all wanted to play quarterback at some point.

Like our dreams, every offensive lineman's dream was shattered at some point. They told you to get on the line, fat ass, and then you just kind of went for it. And that's just what it is. And so we're just trying to get by every day and do the best and not get our quarterback killed. Man, I went from quarterback to tight end. They said you were a little bit too big, not fast enough. And then they moved me over to defensive end.

It turns out I didn't have any moves. And then they said, all right, we're going to try you tackle now. They moved me into guard a little bit. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of different outcomes that this could have been, but here I am fucking handing dirt every goddamn play. Guardian cap on. It's a blast. Love football.

Here we go. But every team only goes as you guys go, and that's a reality of the situation of football. And I feel like you guys don't even recognize that or get recognized for that. It's a fascinating position you play, honestly, mentally. Go ahead, AJ. Mitch, I'm not sure if you're watching Hard Knocks this year, but speaking of O-line, early on in camp,

so early on in camp, I can explain it to you. We saw a little clip where Robert Sala was talking to the whole team, team meeting, everyone's there, all the coaches, and he kind of called out the O-line saying, like, hey, we have all these stars everywhere you look, but it's up to us and up front, the O-line, we can't do anything if you guys don't kind of pick things up a little bit. Is that normal, you think, but it's up to us. Up front, the O-line, we can't do anything if you guys don't kind of pick things up a little bit.

Is that normal, you think, in most NFL locker rooms where you could call out a whole position group in front of everybody? Oh, AJ hated it. That's what I just heard. No, honestly, I thought it was great. I thought it was great. I really did. I thought solid demands respect from the squad. Yeah, I think different guys find different modes of motivation i mean you talk about an offensive line just in generally of five different guys maybe some motivated in different

ways uh but that being said position groups are prideful on their jobs on how they're uh you know and especially how their team and their coaches view them. So if you, you know, you take it with a grain of salt when Joe Schmo says something, but when something comes from inside the locker room, like the only opinions that ever matter for me are within the walls of the building, right? And so when you have your coach really put it out there in front of the team, it's going to sting a little bit, but at the same time, I think candidness hurts in the moment it happens, but you appreciate it when it's in front of your face

and not behind closed doors or behind your back. The unfortunate thing is it's on hard knocks for everyone to see. But I think when that comes through in a team meeting or maybe he comes into the position room and says it in a certain way, you can word it in a thousand different ways. But if you know your coach and you know your players, the way you portray that is huge. And I think when you do that in the confines of that team room, it means a lot. Josh Allen talked to the offensive line ever?

Like, I don't, in my head, I'm not, and I'm not saying talk, like hang out. Like, for instance, there's some quarterbacks, they get hit, and it's like, all right, that's going to happen. Mistakes are going to happen. Get hit again, same exact situation. It's like, all right, okay. And then it happens again, and it's like, hey, you need to start doing your fucking, we need to do that.

Not everybody's like that, though. There's some quarterbacks that do that. There's some that aren't. There's's different styles of leadership like you just pointed out about reaching people what is josh allen like whenever it comes to like game days and things that are happening on the field in real time that's a great question pat he he's uh he'll never be never points fingers and i think that's huge right and even when you know because you get the quarterback crush it's not like awesome sweet and i was looking for that to happen like you feel like shit right so that was the goal when this ball was snapped yeah i can't wait for him to get murdered and then it's my fault so you pick him

up he knows the same thing too we're all trying to do we're all trying to get the same job done uh not once have i ever seen him point a finger off his alignment, whether it's I snap in the wrong cadence or anything like this. Let's get the next play going because all that's going to do is dig me in a hole, right? Say I'm an emotional roller coaster. My quarterback, who I have the utmost respect for, is getting after me. It might take me a player or two to rebound. It depends on the player, right?

But he's never done that, and I have the utmost respect for him for that. Okay, hope you're happy. Yeah, next three plays, good luck. Thanks a lot. Hope you're happy. Yeah, you better hope we're punting this series. It's going to be a long one. I would not be picking up a first down. It's your job because you picking him up, that's like the worst part

of it all. You know, like, you get beat, and then, oh, there's like the worst part of it all. You get beat and then, oh, there's $500 million on the ground. And everybody on TV sees it too. Who got beat here? Well, probably the I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

There's always a guy picking him up. Hey, good position. Great job. It's a great job. You get to do it. You get to do it. Tony Diggs has a question for you, Mitch. Yeah, Mitch. All these guys who play in the NFL always talk about how coaches sometimes love when you guys win the game, but then there's stuff to work on.

How does that work in the preseason? Because, you know, just from the untrained eye, things didn't go as well as they could have against the Steelers. So did the coaches love that? What was the team like after that? Yeah, it was so much fun. No, I think your Steelers came out and they not only did they just execute at a higher level than we did, but they just came out with a little bit more fire.

And that's embarrassing as a team, right? Preseason or not, you know when you get handed it to you. Okay. So we did read that right. So we did read that right. That's how you guys felt too. Cause we were big bills fans over here, but watching that game, it was like, ah, this doesn't look, you know, great necessarily.

You guys knew that we weren't misreading that situation. Okay, good. No, no, not, no, not at all. I think from, you know, we got on that bus, we knew that something needs to change, right, because we had all of our starters playing, and they did a little bit too. And from the jump, it was just one team was on fire and one team couldn't do anything right. And that was of no doing except our own in regards to matching their competitive edge, matching their moxie,

and everything that came out with it. They just smacked us in the mouth, and then we didn't respond. So for us, it was a huge wake-up call. You know, Coach could have been way more. He could have laid into us a lot more, but he used it as a coaching tool and was very calm. It was one of those things like don't mistake my tone for my message kind of deal. So we came out and had a great week of practice, let's just say that.

And for us, it's trying not to – we understand it's the preseason, like you take it with a grain of salt, right? But at the same time, we want to put something out there on film and when we play that's to a standard that we want. And to say that that was not our standard is an understatement last week. He wasn't mad. He was just disappointed. That's right.

You know, and. Well, it's so much worse, dude. It's so much worse. Oh, okay, good, good. I'm happy to hear that. Well, hey, the boys are on fire this week. Hey, everything's flying around up there, Papua. Let's go.

It's preseason, you know. Like three weeks, who gives a fuck about any of that? You know what I mean? But it is nice that you guys saw it as like, oh, these games don't matter, but we got some shit to work on. I mean, let's do this. No doubt, dude. I love that.

That's what preseason is, right? Right? I feel like that is what preseason is. What are your thoughts on where preseason is right now as a whole? Feels like we got some people that are all in, some teams. The Chiefs, for instance. Yep. They've been just playing, playing, playing.

I don't know exactly what you guys did in your other game other than the Steelers game, but what are your thoughts on preseason reps and what preseason can do? I think more than anything, I think it's paramount for guys who are on the bubble or trying to put film out. You can't take those reps away for how valuable those are. And for guys who, quote, unquote, have more solidification in certain programs or whatever, it's a great opportunity to dress rehearsal to not only play someone else

but get your game day routine down right like what's it like when you get to the stadium a home or away what's it like for how you're going to uh warm up with the team maybe this is what i want to do maybe this is something i don't want to do and then just kind of work and take in the field against someone else and uh as much as pre-season sucks i do think playing in it one else and uh as much as preseason sucks i do think playing in it to a certain amount has huge benefits um and then every year there's the risk and reward factor that you can point fingers at after the fact right but i do think that uh it is good to get some reps in preseason it feels like that theory in that thought narrative's coming back more yeah it was disappearing no doubt it was disappearing there for a bit but i feel like that theory is coming back more. It was disappearing there. No doubt. It was disappearing there for a bit,

but I feel like that theory is coming back more, which is good for us as fans, but also for you guys. Go run your heads into each other faster. Joint practices and in the game. Need you guys really demolishing each other for, you know, see who should be on this team. Ty has a question for you about the teams in your division. Yeah, Mitch, obviously with Josh and now Aaron in the division

and then to some extent Tua and Mac Jones, like the quarterbacks get talked a lot about. But I think a lot of people also see the D lines on every team as like maybe the strength of the division. And obviously, you know, every single week you guys are going against great players and you can't really take any plays off. There's great rushers on every single team. But how aware are you guys of going into these division games knowing,

okay, we really do need to be at our best today because if we don't, any of these D-lines could fucking kill Josh? Yeah, well, they've all had their turns too in the past. Yeah, we're acutely aware of that to say the least. Every team, you can just go through everyone in the division. I have the utmost respect for the Patriot way, how they play. You know, you've got Matt Judon and Gotchow in there, and then you have, of course, Quentin Williams and the Jets

and all those guys firing off the ball on the edge. And the way that they play is just it's a track meet. guys firing off the ball on the edge. And the way that they play is just it's a track meet. And then, of course, Miami, you have anyone who can plug and play in there, whether it's on the edge or in the interior. And those guys play such a great system. And now with a new defensive coordinator who's had such not only respect but success in the league, those guys are going to be humming on all cylinders too.

So it'll be a great matchup whenever we play that. And we're absolutely aware of that. Those defenses are brutal, dude. Hey, don't watch Hard Knocks. You'll fall in love with Quinton Williams. I know you got to. Hey, he is. This dude is awesome.

Yeah, he's a good dude. I met him a few times at the Pro Bowl. He's an awesome guy, and he's a nightmare to play against. Oh, the Pro Bowl. You made the Pro Bowl. He's an awesome guy and he's a nightmare to play against. Oh, the Pro Bowl. You made the Pro Bowl? Somehow, someway. The stars aligned somehow. They felt bad for an old man and

threw me in there. Oh, wow. You were at the Pro Bowl. Let's go. Jeez. Who else did you talk to at the Pro Bowl? You guys had Pro Bowl conversations about Pro Bowl stuff? Gwen Williams? Yeah, I mean, I somehow missed the actual game, which was awesome,

because I don't know if I could have participated in it, to be honest. I was put together by tape at the end of the season. So, we had to play some flag football. You know, snapping, taking a knee was a beautiful thing, man. Please, please, I know the fans didn't like it. Please don't take that away from us. That was a beautiful thing. It was tough to commentate. I mean, it was terrible. I know the fans didn't like it. Please don't take that away from us. That was a beautiful thing. It was tough to commentate. I mean, it was terrible. I mean, it was

the absolute worst. You looked like you had a fucking blast, dude. We had fun, dude. We had a good time. As long as you guys are being celebrated, we appreciate that. And I do like the fact that at the Pro Bowl, you get a chance to chat with a lot of people and share a game with a lot of people.

That Quinton Williams dude, I think he's going to be a resident at the Pro Bowl for the next 10 years. Same with this Jalen Carter. Have you heard about this? You guys got the Eagles this year? We do. We absolutely do. Bro, I heard this guy, Jalen Carter,

Darius Slate called him a rhino. So we got a fucking rhino down there that doesn't even know his strength. That's right over your head. All right, good luck. Go get it. You got a rhino fucking playing against you in some of these games. Last question here, Boston Connor for you. Yeah, Mitch, there's been a lot of talk and tweets out of our good friend

Sal Capaccio out of Buffalo that, you know, joint practices, a lot of fights going on there, but specifically in Buffalo, a lot of, you know, inter-squad fights going on between you guys. Do you tell, like, Ed Oliver before practice, like, hey, man, it's hot out there. If you come at me, I'm just going to have to fight you, okay? I'm going to bite your face off. Or is that something that just happens as the day progresses

and people get more and more pissed off at how hot out it is? Yeah, I'm a pacifist myself. But you just not only are you playing the same guys over and over again, but it's the heat. It's your week three training camp, just pent up, just being pissed off. And, you know, the great thing about it is it shows how competitive practice can get. It happens.

And like every team that I've been on is able to do for the most part. You bring it into the locker room and it's no harm, no foul. You're laughing about it, chatting about it. But, yeah, it's been a little spicy some days. What do you do? Do you take your closed fist and just punch a helmet? That's your move? What's your go-to in there?

Yeah, I've always thought that punching a helmet is the smart move. It's a smart play. But especially now with guardian caps, you can just punch whatever you want. They're bouncing right off. Both at the same time. Double punches at the same time at helmet. Now, my move is to find the closest guy and hold him back. Even if he's not in the fight,

I'll just pretend, hey, hey, we got more ball to play. I'm not even in the fight. Hey, take it easy. Take it easy. I'm not fighting. Me neither. Take it easy.

Take it easy. It's good, man. It's just a little moxie, and then it plays out, and we're able to get practice going again, and in the end, it's no big deal. A lot of negative shit has rolled out of the Buffalo camp, man. I hit on it a little bit earlier.

Last year, these guys were winning the Super Bowl. That was the conversation. All good, all good, all good, all good, all good, all good. Now it's like it just seems like there's just like drama, and then obviously Stephen A., he caught some information like before a two-week vacation, maybe three weeks. And then he came back and guess what I got? Bang.

And that got debunked. But it's been seemingly a vastly different conversation piece. You don't see any difference from inside, though. I don't. I mean, listen, the whole, yeah, the Stephen A thing is a little weird. I don't know how that came back up to play. Seeing Steph around here, he's 1,000% in, man. Like, it's just, it's what's going on.

Like, he's in this thing with us. So, debunked for sure by Steph on himself. And, but it's all good. What the hell are you doing, pal? You tell me. You've seen this before around the facility. If Stephon Diggs is at the facility, you've seen this. This is his play.

Fucking fashion, dude. Sorry you don't get it. Pop it up, Z. Sorry you don't get fashion. Yeah, he does wear some weird shit sometimes. But it is. Listen, dude, it's over my head, and that's okay. I don't need to know.

He's got his finger on the pulse, and he's got the fashion thing going on. He's going to make way more off the field doing fashion stuff than he ever is on the field. He'll be laughing at us, and good for him. But, listen, I've got to say, like, maybe it's the certain high from last year, and then you have this stuff going on. Dude, I'm just trying not to pass out and play five of inside run and I'm just trying to do my job. Let's go from there.

People, you guys tell me this. Derek Boyko, my guy over here, tells me this. I just got stuff to do, man. It is what it is. And if there is stuff going on, they're not telling me. They're not telling the old man. So, yeah, it's cool. Did you hear about Bean sandbagging us?

Did you hear about this? That makes sense. You know what I mean? Like, if he's not playing golf or doing football, I don't really know what he does outside of here. But, honestly, Bean's a kick-ass dude. I love him to death. Shot a 78 at a PGA course.

Absurd. Yeah, I know. He's a freak. Yeah. He's a freak. at a pga course absurd yeah no he's a freak yeah from what i hear you know he's a really nice dude all that stuff not very fun to play golf with because uh it's like it's so it means so much to him and he can't just like oh we're trying yeah no you're for sure trying if you're playing brandon bean golf oh that's like aj that's how aj plays yeah that's annoying oh yeah super tight I get pissed all the time, don't I? Yeah, me, A.J., and Miz played.

It was the most professional round any of us have ever been a part of, ever. The Miz and Bean should golf together. That'd be fun. Let's try to set that up. I don't know how much money we got to donate, but we will get to the point that it has to happen. Bean ain't ever playing with the Miz. No.

Bean might snap a club around the Miz's face. Bean will be on the fourth hole when Miz is on his eighth shot from 180 out on the first hole. All right, let's get you back to training camp. You can do what you really love, Mitch. You know what I mean? We need to get you back to what you love. Get in there.

Thank you. It's my opportunity to get better, man. I appreciate you. You need to start doing this, though, with Stephon. Mm-hmm. Get the right one. He has the with Stefan. Get the right one. He has the left one. Get the right one.

Well, the right one we're giving away. Remember we autographed? I mean, Stefan, the old school one that Stefan wore. Oh. He wore it through back when it had, like, leather and wood on it. Yeah, the cricket one. Sweet. You know what I mean?

We were only. I got, like, two shirts, dude. My wife shops for me at Old Navy. It's all I wear. And if Stefan starts wearing Old Navy shirts, dog, I'm like, I'm in. I got my finger in the pulse. Besides that, I'm out.

You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, pro bowler, center for the Buffalo Beals, entering his ninth year in the NFL. Good on you. Ladies and gentlemen, Mitch Moore. Yeah! I didn't hear what you said, Mitch.

Fuck off. What did he say there at the end of the year? Oh, sure. I love you guys. What did you say there at the end? I said I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much for having me on. No problem.

Bill wanted to come on and see you. We appreciate you. He's Mitch Moore. Hey, Mitch. Yeah. Did you see Bill walks right here? Bill looks really good. Yeah, what's he doing?

What a fit. So round. He looks really good. I see Bill. Bill's attached to some information out there that I don't think he wants out on the internet. So hopefully it's just a Photoshop. What's that about? Is it in the group?

Yeah, the old BTK killer Photoshops are coming back out and Bill's been the victim. B stands for Bill. Well, victim or accomplice. Well, that's what people are saying, yeah. Possibly son. Definitely son. Oh my God. well that's what people are saying possibly son definitely son oh my god that's not good Bill Bill I'm not like Maury Povich or anything

but like if they were to pop up those two photos on the screen everybody in the audience would be like, that's his kid. Yeah, there it is. That's his kid. That's his kid. Bill, I don't know why people are doing this. Is this a Huffington Post piece?

Is it a real article? They're going to have to start calling him BT Bill, I think. I'm sure we won't. Who made that? Huffington Post? Yeah, that is a credible source right there. That is an extremely credible source. What is happening?

Bill, is that why you laced those shoes up so goddamn tight today? This guy's about to be on the run. Zoom in on these shoes. Please show these. This guy's ready to go. Look how tight these things are zoomed. Those things are triple knotted. He's got a collared shirt on. He's choking out his feet right now. This guy's ready to go. Look how tight these things are, Zoom. Those things are triple knotted. He's got a collared shirt on.

He's choking out his feet right now. He's about to play a basketball game. He's about to run from the fucking law, I think. I just saw a post here. Bill, I don't like what any of these people are saying about you. You look good today. Great. You worked out hard this morning.

When you tied those shoes, I immediately said, holy fuck, this guy's tying these shoes tighter than I've ever seen in my entire life. Whoa. He said, well, they're a little bigger. He can wear two pairs of socks. Little did I know, this dude's running from the fucking law. Stay strapped.

Jeez Louise. Bill, we're going to have to talk about that. It's tough. It's tough. Is that the post from Huffington Post? Huffington Post put that out. You see it. It has to be, right?

I mean, it's nuts. That's going to have a lot more views than 8,000, I think, at some point. Dennis Rader has confessed to 10 killings. I said before, he's now being eyed in two unsolved murders in Oklahoma and Missouri. When was the last time you were in Missouri? Wait, is he still alive? BTK killer? I don't know, Bill.

Where's your dad? Bill Rader sounds right too It does Gator Raider? Yeah Bill the Gator Raider Bill I think this is fucked up Honestly

I think I was bamboozled here I think this is an actual post This is clearly not an actual post It's photoshopped What? No it's not That's a little better No it's not

Don't be sending that in the group Okay I can't be following I thought we had a fucking killer in the room. Well, yeah, that's still up in the air. I don't think we can say that. No, remember, we're done with this. We're done with this. Yeah.

Well, until, I mean, you're telling me that we're going to look at Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, and not think, okay, yeah. You see how good Bill looks today, too? This is the best Bill has looked. He does look good. And whoever made this photo had no idea they were just going to, you know what, Bill? I see you're trying to turn over a new chapter. Let's go back to whenever you were with 100 Teves. And you were gaming looking exactly like the BTK killer.

I mean, the resemblance is striking. Bill, can you stand on that side over there? Yeah. Is this why he looks this good today, too? Bill, can I get that camera, too? Can I get that camera? Can you get your goatee out, Bill? You got to get your glasses on, Bill.

Here you go. This is unbelievable. Huffington Post is coming out with glasses. Oh my God. Jesus Christ. A little bit of a downward sky. There it is. Looking towards the main front.

A little bit to your right. Bill, I don't think you should be trying to want to look like that guy. Yeah, do the mouth for sure. You can't help it. This is bad. Can I get those glasses back, please? Wait, is there a razor back there? Or should you just have them shaved into a goatee just so we can really see what?

Bill, I don't appreciate that they're just saying you look like some serial killer in white. Your face is uncomfortably... You do look like him, Bill. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. Alright. I don't think Bill's killing people. Me neither. I want to be on a record. I've never said it. No. Although that post, I thought...

I thought they were piecing some things together. I thought there was some investigative journalism happening. And they're like, oh yeah, the guy that's lacing those shoes up real tight, there's a reason. It's because he's got to dance over all the bodies. He's running high knees like they're bag drill. Let's move on. Somebody call Chuck Pagano.

Can you FaceTime Chuck Pagano, Coach Pagano? There's a massive news this morning in the NFL. Huge. A big move was made. Now, I don't believe the Arizona Cardinals faithful are going to say Coach Percona, there's a massive news this morning in the NFL. Huge. A big move was made. Now, I don't believe the Arizona Cardinals faithful are going to say this was a big move. I assume a lot of people had high hopes for this guy whenever he got in the NFL, aren't going to say this is a big move if they've been disappointed.

But the thought that Isaiah Simmons was traded for a bag of balls to the New York Giants defense, that has Thibodeau and Wink Martindale, who's literally the old-school Baltimore defense that we remember where there was D-linemen and linebackers standing at safety and corner and blitzes were coming from out of nowhere. This feels like a perfect human being for the Wink defense. So now that Arizona has traded him away for a seventh-round pick,

I feel like Giants fans should be very excited about the potential. Now, a lot of people want to hear in there and say, this guy's cheeks. That's what they're, this guy is cheeks, because of what he did in Arizona. Who knows if he felt comfortable in that defense? Who knows if they were taking advantage of all of his talents? I know Wink will, in the thought of this big-ass dude

who can run very fast, who can play corner and can play the end that's a weapon for the new york giants good on them for giving up a seventh rounder and congrats to all the giants aj i mean yeah that's the first thing i thought of and i know you said something already about wink barton dillick he's gonna find he's gonna have a role for him early on with isaiah simms he's he's listed as a linebacker slash DB. The guy can really play everything. He can rush the edge. He can play off the ball backer.

He can play DB. You can put him at gunner on special, like wherever you want. He is a freak athletically. And I guess since he's on the final year of his deal, the Cardinals probably realized, hey, we're not going to give him a long-term extension, so let's get something for him, I guess. Joining us now is a man who coached that Baltimore defense.

Hell yeah. The amoebas. That's right. The exotics. Hell yeah. Just a dominant force. Letting us know what his thoughts are on what Wink Martindale is going to do with Isaiah Simmons. Ladies and gentlemen, our coach, Coach Pagano.

Yeah, coach! Coach is fresh off a club championship at his golf course. Wow. Congrats, Coach. Congrats, Coach. Way to go. Thank you. Proud of you.

Good to see you, boys. Great to see you, too. We missed the hell out of you. Hope the offseason has been fantastic. Can't wait to get back into the regular season, seeing you on a much more regular basis. But let's talk about this move for Wink Martindale's defense with Isaiah Simmons.

What do you expect? And is this not the perfect human for this Giants defense right now? Yeah, just drop another alien, you know, in the Big Apple in Wink's defense. That's all that they ever looked for was versatile players like this, specialty type 6'4", 240 pounds, runs 4'3", 9". I mean, you know, AJ just said it. There's no telling. You know, he'll bring him from all three levels.

He can line him up on the line of scrimmage. He'll have a NASCAR package, right, on third down, two minute. They'll call NASCAR, and the first guy running on the field will be this alien, you know, Isaiah. And you can bring him off the edge, move all those Thibodeaux, move all those rushers inside, bring him off the edge, play him at nickel. Right now, if you look at the early depth chart, he's listed at second team nickel back. So he can play there. If something happens at the inside linebacker spot, he can certainly line up there.

He can play dime. He's got familiarity in the back end, adjusted to different coverages and communicating that way. So, I mean, that guy was the 2019 ACC defensive player of the year. I mean, we all remember what he did at Clemson, what a game record he was. So there's no, Winkle stay up until wee, wee hours of the morning figuring out, okay, where do we plug Isaiah Simmons into this package, this defense, and what do we do with him? For a seventh rounder, feels like a good play. Go ahead, AJ. Chuck, can you explain a little bit about Wink's defense and what he does and how aggressive he is? What kind of separates him from other defensive coordinators, maybe? Yeah, their philosophy has always been the KISS philosophy. Keep it simple, stupid. So we want to be, you know, simple for us, but complicated for the offense. So

just going back to Baltimore, Wink and I were together 05, 06 in Oakland. And then the Baltimore days and that whole system that Rex Ryan and many others put together, they're running a bunch of, you mentioned the amoebas, Pat, a bunch of exotics. There we go. Based out of a 3-4 defense on early downs, first and second rundowns. But then when you get to third down, two-minute red area, obvious pass situations, these guys are all going to know each other's job so what may look like a whole different package a shit ton of uh of blitzes to the offense all it is is they'll call

the same two they'll call the same call you know whatever that whatever that is for the defense and like Suggs and Jarrett Johnson back in the day they just say hey you go to the left this time I'll go to the right and to the offense and the offensive coordinator and the quarterback most specifically it's like oh shit that looks like something totally different we need to turn the protection this way we got to you know put the back over here man side sift side and so it's and it's no different. They just switched jobs independently on their own. Wink's going to give those guys the freedom to do that. It's unbelievable. So what seems like a totally different blitz that they're running specific to that game,

it's the same one. They just moved the jerseys around. We'd sit in those meetings and he would just take the, you know, up on the board off the computer and just move the jerseys around. We'd sit in those meetings and he would just take the, you know, up on the board off the computer and just move the jerseys around our defensive players and run the same blitz patterns. That whole philosophy is trying to get free runners. All right. Let the offense think, hey, they're coming from over here. All right. Get the protect, get the protection turn that way. And then boom, guess what? Shenzhou. They're coming from the other side, and they have these free runners.

Yeah, he's brilliant. He does a great job with them. That's art of war right there, baby. You know what I mean? Keep them guessing. They think we're going, huh? We're, huh. Appear strong when weak, when weak, when strong.

The whole thing, that is basically what it's been made from. You add another. They're going to do it. This is good. This add another – they're going to – this is good. This is great. He's going to have a great year, we assume? Yeah, again, to AJ's point, they'll find a role. They'll get them in there. They'll get them comfortable, get them acclimated to the terminology.

It'll take a little bit. But, like, say week one, I talked about a specialty package. They'll have a certain package that he'll be involved with that they may roll out there two, three, four times. And then as the season progresses and how he acclimates and how quick he picks up, the system and the terminology will determine how much he plays. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you.

Keep crushing it. We'll see you soon. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagano. Yeah, Coach! Yeah, you know those exotics, AJ. You know those exotics. No way. AJ loves the exotics.

Oh, yeah. That's his thing. Isn't it, AJ? You just can't get enough of the amoeba defense. Oh, yeah. Love it. So much osmosis going on and chlorophyll. That's right.

Yeah. Chlorophyll. Yeah. More like borophyll. Oh. right. Chlorophyll. Morlach. Borophyll. Oh! Adam Sandler. Still doing it.

Oh, yeah. Crushing. Yeah. What do you mean? We'll never not do it. I literally just thought of chlorophyll when I thought of Adam Sandler. Yeah. And that's like so many parts of my day

that it's kind of tough to admit. Sure. Way to go, Sandman. Love you, Sandman. Great style, too. Yeah, great style. Gym shorts and collared shirts. So I do like that he openly dresses like an asshole.

Oh, yeah. I actually, like, one of my idols as far as fashion. That makes sense. You're going to like, that's why. Yeah, very similar. No, I know. That's what I'm going for. Hey, you're going to play basketball.

Okay, I'm going to dress business casual. Yep. All right, you're going to a business casual event. Sweet. I'm dressing basketball. Boom. It All right, you're going to a business casual event. Sweet. I'm dressing basketball. Boom. It's amazing. That's why I love him.

Tucked in, collared shirt, matching onesie, hooping. Gigantic old school shorts still like past his knees. Yeah, and one shorts. Fucking moving though. Yeah, hooping. Oh, yeah. That dude's got his vision on the court is unbelievable. I've seen some of the passes he makes.

Crazy. If you're a slasher to the hoop, he's going to hit you. Yeah, keep your head on a swivel, though, because when Sandman's got the ball, you can have the ball. Yeah, he's like Joker, basically. Yep. He is. You think Gary would take him out from behind if he had a fast break?

Oh, my God. The founder of Gary Vee Mode? Yep. No. No, because if he was on a fast break, he'd probably throw an assist off the backboard. Sandman? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. This is going to get me jacked up to make a shot here. Yeah, here we go. We're in a polo. Great pass. Great pass. Walk it off.

Walk around. He's like messy. Oh. Oh, with a pick, too. I see that coming. And now you see me back. Whoa, look at that vision. Are you serious?

Yeah. Ugh. Yeah, he's pistol pe Pete before Pistol Pete. This is Rucker Park. It feels like it's the same three highlights. We're doing it again. Oh, I can watch that one ten times. Always finds the opening.

Are those NBA guys he's playing against? Retired, retired, retired. Jeez. That guy's amazing. KG. Sandman with the pass. Oh, thank you. Can't miss with Sandman.

All right, we're out of here. Oh. We're off to the next one. It's like when you wreck your truck. It's like when you wreck your truck miss with Sam, man. All right, we're out of here. Oh. We're off to work. It's like when you wreck your truck. It's like when you wreck your truck and just... All right. Basically, you didn't get up and leave, but you tried to make Sam leave. Yep.

Bingo. Well, I didn't try to make her leave. I just said we can never see each other again. What if you had got up and just ran away? I wish you had done that. You'd have run into a tree in your driveway, and you just got out of the car, and you just sprinted away. Tim Robinson.

Oh, wait. I can run. I'm gone forever. Wait. Whoa. So should I just go into the house Tim Robinson. Oh, wait, I can run. I'm gone forever. Wait, whoa. So should I just go into the house now or are you not coming back? Yeah, I'm gone forever, actually. Just take it. Take the house.

I don't know how. Cut all these trees down around my driveway, too. Yeah, somebody needs to get rid of that pothole that just sent this drift into a goddamn tree. I mean, that was a real thing. That was tough. I have not Fast and Furious drifted in any driveways since that day.

One day. Bring it back. I should do it out here. Ooh. Yeah. You got plenty of space there. And a lot over there. Oh my god. The neighbors would love it if I get out there and I start... Hey, you need to get a side-by-side. We'll get a tube and once you have so much space when it snows, we could pull each other around

on a tube side by side great idea for real you know how fun it would be it would be a blast we're going to do it could do it on the gravel too we could bring our snowboards in

pull people on snowboards yep or just we can go old school and just feet on snowy ground that's right we could do that sketching

hang on the side of Bronco you know take the top off be able to reach our hand in a super powerful Bronco I'll be the driver then yeah you're driving you're driving i'm gonna drive i'm not gonna get on the back part yeah i'll be your driver no no you gotta do this yeah i saw you on the go-karts i'm good yeah i was just gonna say anyone who came in last in the go-karts is not allowed to drive so we got bill mccomas a lot of drive pac-man all that backhand mitt yeah well everybody was going so fast yeah All Out of Drive, Pac-Man, All Out of Drive. Mitt. Yeah, Mitt. Everybody was going so fast.

We knew Mitt wasn't. Mitt didn't know that you guys were racing. It was race four, but he had no idea. He just thought we were trying to get around here, have time. Enjoying it. Got my jeans on. Mitt's also six bumpers into his Mustang, so we just shouldn't. Bug it.

Hey, Mitt. Never shouldn't bug it. Hey, Mitt! Never mind. Never mind. Look alive in there, Mitt. Bang! Good. There it is. This guy stinks. Do we know, is Tone Rich playing tonight or what?

Yes. From what I've been told. So that's a layup. So Colts and Steelers are playing stars. I don't think the other two teams are. And Minshew revenge game. So we got tone rich Minshew and an Ellinger. Yes.

Boom. Who's the greatest preseason quarterback in the history of the NFL? Colts pretty good tonight. Yeah. You would think. What Billy Walters? This is a Mariotta bounce-back game. He's not giving them out.

Everyone said he's done in the NFL after last preseason game. Nope. He's still on Eagles? Yeah. No point to bet the Mariotta bounce-back game. He's done. But it was a great run. Man, it was so fun to watch.

I fucking... I hope he bounces. You know what? You're right, Tom. I loved every second. I wasn't thinking about Marcus Mariota at all. I wonder why. But now I'm thinking I hope he has a good night tonight.

Me too. Because of what you just said. Does it matter? He probably will. I think that's already over with. Who? Mariota? Yeah, that's over with.

Back up O-line, cold starters. He'll do great. Mariota's going to be just fine. He's going to have. He'll do great. He's going to be just fine. He's going to have the moxie back. He's going to have so much pizzazz. Exactly. You think? Playing for Hawaii tonight.

You know what? Actually, when I watched quarterback, all I could think of was pizzazz out of Mariota. You know what I want to happen? Five games, he almost won. Yeah. I hope a baseball trade happens tonight. A lot of times when they're playing a team and the guy just switches from one locker room to the other, I hope JT walks across the field, the 50-yard line,

in like the third quarter when the trade goes down. That'd be sick. What if he's just standing on the Eagles sideline the entire game? That'd be cool. Just want other people to see what it looks like, me on another sideline. I like it over here. Is he going to be there?

He's going to be there. He traveled there, right? Yeah. How weird is that? Super weird for everybody. Everybody involved. Okay. It's great to see you.

Okay, we're having fun. How about the miserable offensive line? You know? And JT's like, yeah, I better get my money. Yeah. Offensive line, yeah, yeah, all right. All right, pal. I'm just trying to fucking make it to tomorrow. Maybe it's just like a goodbye. Oh, like a money. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, all right. All right, pal. I'm just trying to fucking make it to tomorrow.

Maybe it's just like a goodbye. Oh, like a farewell. Yeah. Stays in Philly. Never leaves. Oh, you're talking about just one, take the tractor another round. No, I was more saying like, hey, we're going to fucking trade your ass this weekend, so why don't you come along and, you know, you can say bye to whoever you want to,

and then when we're done with this game, we don't ever want to fucking see you again. It does feel like it's gotten to that point. Yeah. And it feels like it might happen this weekend. Before Tuesday? If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Before Tuesday, right? Yeah.

If they like one of those offers. Oh, fuck. Too strong. This guy's two big arms. Two more over here. Two more. You got to figure out how to do that. You know? Mm-hmm. Nick, why'd you do this?

Nick, why'd you give me this? Nick, you back there? Sorry, I was trying to be a nice guy It was a very nice gift Does it open up? Is it like a box? Money? It's money I know, I'm saying, but does the top open up?

The top of what? The top is all money Oh my bad, it's real money. I know I'm saying but does a top open up? Why was the top of what top? It's all money. Oh my bad. It's real money guys. I'll go with a joke Please someone woke up on the wrong Chicken a little too moist today dry enough moist today? Dry enough? That was the one. Son of a biscuit. Alright, that's a show.

Bill, where's BTK Bill? Let's get him out of here and get some of these balls. Alright, big thanks to Mitch Morse, Billy Walters, Chuck Pagano, Ryan. We know his Halloween costume for sure. We're off. We're good. We're off tomorrow. We do not know where Billy will be, Chuck Pagano, Ryan. We know his Halloween costume for sure. We're off. We're that go team. We're good.

We are off tomorrow. We do not know where Billy will be, so keep your fucking eyes peeled. Yeah, thank you, Lord. All right. We're off tomorrow. We're back on Monday. A lot of football to watch over the next few days. And then we have a lot of days with no football.

That's right. And then we have actual football. Let's go. Let's enjoy it all. Let's baptize and immerse ourselves in college football being back. Let's go. Let's enjoy it all. Let's baptize and immerse ourselves in college football being back. There's a Heisman winner playing this week. There's a game happening in Ireland

this weekend. Let's enjoy it all. Tonight in Philadelphia, the Colts are playing their starters. In Atlanta, the Steelers are playing their starters. Let's assume that that's where we should be betting on, but with that being said, we're not Billy Walters. No, we're not. Correct. He probably doesn't bet the preseason for football, if I had to guess.

It's in the book. If he finds his value, it's in the book, though. What is it? It's in the book. Over under 25. I loved it. He said when he went in, I'm going to make sure they know that you've got to read

this fucking book. It's the Dr. Man's a fucking salesman. Yeah, it's the Dr. Phil school of book sales. Yeah. You know what I mean? But I appreciate, everyone was natural. Yeah. You know, there was one, I think, that was kind of misplaced. But once we started hearing that this was going to be a repetitive thing throughout the interview,

we obviously are assholes and couldn't immediately say, all right, now we're going to start counting. He used them well. Let's see how it did. What's that? He used them well, though. Yeah. We obviously are assholes and could immediately say, all right, now we're going to start counting. He used them well. Let's see how it did. What's that? He used them well, though. Yeah. Well, that's because it's... In the book.

In the book. Well, the bottom line is, you got to read that. I mean, I would have been pissed if I had read that thing and something he said in there. Like, well, I thought that was fucking in the book, and it's not.

We are going to have to go back and check every answer he gave that he said was in the book. Is it actually in the book? Right. Going to have to. Going to have to read it, too. answer he gave that he said was in the book. Is it actually in the book? Right. Going to have to. Going to have to read it, too. Yeah, if we want to be good sportsmen.

Genuinely want to read that book for this football season. I think now is a good time to read that book. Yeah, we got 10 days. He said even the advanced gamblers are a little bit there, and the amateurs are a little bit there. Which one are you reading? You're going right to the advanced? No, no, I'm going to read the whole fucking thing.

Electric? Ac, no. I'm going to read the whole fucking thing. Electric? Acoustic. That was a good... You had a good day today. He did. Oh, now I get the joke. You just now getting it, AJ? AJ.

I had no idea what he was talking about. I didn't know who he was referencing. I didn't know anything. Okay. Don't embarrass me. Killer. Killer joke tone. It was.

He's AJ. It was. No, I got it now. I get it. I understand why you made the joke. I didn't Tone. It was. Easy, AJ. It was. No, I got it now. I get it. I understand why you made the joke. I didn't understand before. Yeah, we had a full moment, too.

I mean, a moment, though. It's taking you now two hours. Right. Yeah, it has. I didn't know. So the guy's name was Acosta? Acosta? Well, his name's Acosta.

I didn't watch the game. Sorry, I saw the highlights. There were a lot of them. Messy wins. Looked like a lot of them. Messi went. Looked like the place was buzzing. It was. Messi went into Ohio and said, I'm the captain now. Fuck Ohio.

That's crazy. You know what I mean? I mean, he didn't. Yeah. Does he speak English? Can he even say that? Yo soy. Capitan.

Capitan. Zito, how do I say now? Orita. Yo soy, Captain Orita. Yeah. I think he did say it. I think he did say it. Walked in Michigan blue tarp as well. Bro, I had an X post.

I had an X post ready that was like spelled out about Messi being able to battle the world's greatest. And then he steps foot in Ohio, and everything changes. It's a different story. That's the special ingredient of America. Things like Ohio just being a thing. Messi can win everywhere, but you battle Ohio one time, loss. Can't win there. I was ready for it.

I was so excited to put over Ohio. Oh, my God. And then Messi was was like what was that oh fuck me huh no i don't think so no and then some 17 year old puts it away yep at the end he's gonna be good for our team hell yeah he's gonna be on the world cup team soon right i assume he should be on our team last year what are we doing yeah he's tall he's skillful too like when you watch him play he can move he's a good boy grew up in the inter miami club that's what all the european people do so it's like we're we got a guy i think we

got a couple guys politic scoring over there in italy saving their league crushing messi's the we got the best of all time reina our best of all time saving another league yep i mean it's just it's our sport now so it's's cool. You're welcome, world. Is he bringing more, like, why doesn't he come to the MLS now? It's a good question. Because he's got to gain the respect of all the other nations for America.

So right now he's not just representing himself, he's representing the flag of... But remember, he forgot that there for a bit. He did. He forgot that he was representing all of America there for a bit. Remember when he was... I think the end

of his time at Chelsea was like a dark time for him though. He never played whether he was healthy or not. It was weird. And that was during World Cup, right? Yeah, like he's looking he'll be very good in the Serie A. He's fast. That's a bit of a slow-paced league. So he's back.

But him flopping around all over the place. Can't have it. Didn't like that. Listen, we can let these dudes who last night are a lot of flopping. A guy did a full flat back bump. A guy did a flying bump last night. Some of the cells were fantastic. But then they broke it down in slow motion. And what happened to that guy?

Oh, my god, that piece of grass. He broke his leg. That's a tough part. The MLS refs do have pizzazz. They could have given Messi a fucking free kick to win it with two minutes left. That would have been a fucking decent match right there. I couldn't believe it. You didn't watch that because you only watched the highlights. We watched the film.

Two minutes left in the game. There's a free kick available. So like at 98 minutes, did we know there was two minutes left in the game? 96 minutes a free kick available. You mean like at 98 minutes? Did we know there was two minutes left in the game? 96 minutes, I think, actually. Because they added eight minutes because there's a water break in the second half because of how hot it was in there. Because Joe Burrow left.

Everybody knew we were in the final moments of the game, though. And there was a big collision, easily callable in soccer. And it would have been right where Methy actually can just guide him. It would have been another one. Not in Ohio. They didn't give it to him? No, ref did not. Not in Ohio.

Ref could have. And then the half ended. That ref never playing. No. Never reffing again. Not for Methy. The MLS is like, we literally had the scene that we're looking for. You screwed us.

And you say, no, you're a hero? Okay, go ref somewhere else. Welcome to the Corn Fairy Tour, MLS. Exactly. See you, pal. Feed this guy free kicks. People are saying it's all rigged now. What?

It's all out of that. A lot of that is rigged. You had to ask if it was scripted. People are the worst. Yeah, we're part of the problem. Yeah, say the same thing about football. Exactly. Oh, it's a script.

No. They don't like the result. Arch Goodell said it. He did. He said a word script. Football, too. We're it's a script. No. They don't like the result. Arch Goodell said it. He did. He said a word script. Football, too. We're not bringing someone in from Argentina. If there's someone from Argentina coming up to play in the NFL, they're eating shit for

17 weeks. They're not coming up doing what Messi's doing to the MLF. Iro Santos had a great career. He did. Still in. Still kicking. Yes. I don't know if he's Argentinian.

I thought he was Brazilian. He might be Brazilian. Tony, jeez. I do believe he is Argentinian. No,. Still kicking. Yes. I don't know if he's Argentine. I thought he was Brazilian. He might be Brazilian. Tony, jeez. I do believe he is Argentine. No, he's Brazilian. Okay. So Zeta's a fan of the Bears. He kicks for the Bears.

He is Brazilian. I've seen him in a blue jersey. Hell of a fucking guy. Yeah. The Australians, too. Different positions. Yeah. But Methy has just come and just...

I mean, he's introduced the world sport to America again pretty much. And it's like, oh, this is nice. It's fun. Now, he cannot become an American citizen and play for our World Cup team? No, sir. No, I think they're going to consider letting him. They should. That'd be so cool. Joe Biden's thinking about giving him

the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He should. Boom, right away. This guy's an American citizen. Is he really thinking about that right now? I think so. I mean, I don't know if he's thinking about anything right now. Her and Joe were kicking around the ball a little bit. Joe wasn't kicking the ball. Joe's toe-balling?

No, Joe hit out of it. It's a soccer kick. Yeah. Really? Yeah. He had a little goal set up. He got in the goal, and Joe was like, I'm going to fire him past you, and he did. Did he toe-poke it?

What did he do? Right and left-footed. No, he looked like he has'm going to fire him past you. And he did. Did he toe poke it? What did he do? Right and left footed. No, he looked like he has a soccer background. He kicked with both feet. Nice. Same time. The first goal was right. The second goal was left.

Like we were talking about for fucking Mitch Morse. Yeah. He did both punches at the same time. Double punch on the guard. Imagine Joe Biden walks up, Matthew's in goal. He's like, all right. Boom. Both feet. That's hard to do.

That would be awesome, dude. Yeah, I almost fell a few times. Joe wouldn't fall. No. No way. No, President Biden. Let's get to a break for about 72 hours. Okay.

Okay? Yeah. We all had a hell of a week this week. Great week. Let's have an incredible weekend. Why not? Absolutely. You all had a hell of a week this week. Great week. Let's have an incredible weekend. Why not? Absolutely. You deserve it, AJ.

You deserve it. Everybody does. Thank you. Pac, you deserve it. No, you deserve it. Okay. No, Connor deserves it. Nah.

Yeah, Connor, you do deserve it. You guys deserve it. No. Ty, you deserve it. No, no. You guys deserve it. I do deserve it as well, but you guys deserve it Yeah, I think that's the right way to look at it

Like, Tone, how about his electric thing earlier? Come on He deserves it He deserves a week off for that Yeah Don't you think? No, Tone, you deserve it You deserve to have a good weekend

I don't know If his bets don't hit for us, I don't know Yeah, that would be 0 for fucking 100 in this preseason. I mean, Billy Walters on the show. I told him you're a good gambler. I sure told him. Yeah, I lost a couple thousand on this guy's picks for preseason games. 10 digs.

Not sure. What's that? The 0 for a thing that you said. Oh, we've hit a couple? Yeah. Which ones? That was your maybe voice. No, it wasn't. That was there maybe voice. No, it wasn't.

That was there as well. Tony. I wouldn't lie to you. That trails off a little bit. You've been winning preseason? Last weekend, yeah. The weekend before, no. What about this weekend, though?

Well, this is the weekend of three, and college football's here, so I don't even know if I'm going to bet. Yeah, let's do college football. Yeah. Hey, let's win this weekend. Yeah. Definitely betting on that. Gumpy's back in America? Oh my god. Gumpy. Yeah. Legal

bets back in America. Gumpy's first weekend. We could go. What are you doing? You firing off 50 to 60 of those things this weekend? I got at least 30, 40 picks for the weekend. Oh, yes. It's the time. It is the time. Take all of them, too. Alright, everybody have an incredible weekend.

Gumpy's going to win some money for us. Tone Diggs is going to win some money for us. Absolutely. I forgot Tone Diggs is college football sharp. Oh, yeah. Billy Walters actually might follow Tone Diggs in college football. It's my best betting sport by far. And soccer is?

Best by far as well. What we like to call this is a golden time for the Hammer Don boys. Let's win this weekend. Hell yeah. Let's have a blast and we'll be back on Monday

overreacting to everything as we inch closer and closer to the NFL season with college football kicking off this weekend. College game day this weekend too.

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