The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 963 - Viktor Hovland, Shane Lechler, AQ Shipley, Michael Lombardi, Pacman Jones LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

On today's show, Pat, Pacman Jones, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about cut down day in the NFL and how all NFL teams need to be down to 53 men, why it's a difficult day for players and GM's, but why it also illustrates how special the NFL is. Joining the progrum fresh off two consecutive wins and winning the FedEx Cup, Viktor Hovland joins the show to chat about how incredible he's been playing as of late, how his game has evolved and gotten better, his new short game coach and statistics coach, what he's going to do with all the money he just won, the Ryder Cup, and much more (20:15-36:51). Next, 9x All-Pro, 7x Pro Bowler, 2000's and 2010's All-Decade Team, one of the greatest punters of all-time, Shane Lechler joins the show to chat about his career, he and Pat's relationship, his relationship with Al Davis, his time with Seabass, and some incredible stories in a hilarious conversation (1:09:34-1:34:00). Next, 12 year NFL veteran on the offensive line, Super Bowl Champion, and host of In The Trenches, AQ Shipley joins the show to chat about Ryan Jensen's knee situation (1:40:47-1:57:57). Later, 3x Super Bowl Champion, former GM of the Cleveland Browns, host of the GM Shuffle, NY Times best-selling author, Michael Lombardi joins the show to chat about cut down day in the NFL, what he thinks the Cardinals are doing, the Jonathan Taylor situation, how quickly a GM would know if his team is going to be good or not, and more (2:05:45-2:34:39). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to, yeah, the NFL might not be for you. Tuesday, August 29th, 2023. This sports program starts right now. Football! That's a real thing that's happening today in the football world. There's going to be a lot of cuts made in the next four hours. They've been talking about it all over the internet. However, a thousand and a half people will lose their jobs. There's a lot of people that potentially have played their last competitive football snap whether it be in the preseason or in a practice in a training camp they made it to the nfl but

they just weren't able to make a roster you're dwayne the rock johnson say i'm the number 54 53 guys on a roster i was was always told I'm number 54. Sorry, Dwayne, but we just don't have a spot for you. That is the story he tells. That is the story that motivated him so much that even after he became a billionaire, he wanted to start a professional fucking league for other people that are like him to hopefully find another chance to get into the prize that is the National Football League. Now, I will say this, although it is a sad day.

In reality, slap some motherfuckers right in the face today. For the first time in their entire beings, people are being told that you are not good enough to make this football team. Because whenever they were little kids, they were running all over the yard. When they were in high school, they were dominant. When they were in college, they were the best players on their college football teams. Then they get to a training camp, and it's everybody that has been like that and for the first time they have to be told terrible news you're not good enough sorry about

it it is sad i do feel for all of them i saw a tweet last night from justin pew that said hey boys listen this nfl rub that you currently have is going to wear off in a few weeks yeah take advantage of it. Call around to different businesses. Try to get in some meetings. Do some job shadows. Try to shake hands with CEOs. Try to let football help you one last time as you transition into real life.

And obviously, there will be guys that go to other teams, and there will be guys that go to other leagues and get other opportunities. It's not the end of the road for all of these guys. There's been plenty of guys that have been cut after a training camp and maybe didn't find a team for a few months and get back in a league and have great careers. So I'm pulling for those dudes. But for a lot of guys,

it's over. Yep. And although it is sad, it is one of the last great meritocracies, professional sports, where if you ain't worth a fuck you're not just going to be able to get by we've got an opportunity obviously to see behind closed doors and a lot of different companies a lot of different businesses and there's a lot of professions where if you just

get in the door you're good even if it's not a union-based operation if you just get a job whether it's through nepotism or a handshake or a test score or one good interview and you just get a job, whether it's through nepotism or a handshake or a test score or one good interview, and you just get by, you can have an entire career for that 30 years. There'll be other people that are more qualified than you are for the job that you have. But for some reason you got in the door when you did and you just take advantage and take that job forever. And then whenever a firing comes or a layoff comes 20 years down the road, what happened? What happened? Well, you did nothing. You stunkunk at your job you were lucky to be there the nfl and professional sports aren't like that now granted if there's a big time trade or a high draft pick you'll be given a year or two

year three maybe okay you'll be given an opportunity that's not a lot of people though that is just certain people on certain teams that get that if you suck you ain't getting their money you do not have a job here. See you later. It is actually a pretty beautiful thing if you think about it. And the reason why the NFL is the way it is, it's because it's the best of the best. We don't care where you come from. We don't care what your religion is. We don't care how tall you are, how small you are, how fat you are. If you can play, you have a job job here you can earn your living through an incredible talent an incredible work ethic and an incredible humility knowing that it can end at any given moment because somebody who's younger cheaper and maybe better than you want your job and in the nfl

and professional sports they can fucking get it there isn't just a bunch of layers in between and go do it so although today is sad for a lot of people, I think it's also a beautiful thing, showcasing that there's only a certain amount of people that are allowed to be in the NFL. There's only a certain amount of people that are able to reach the pinnacle of professional football. That's why it's special.

That's why it's beautiful. And although it sucks, I do believe it's the reason why the NFL is the way it is. And it was an honor to make a team eight times. I think 14-year NFL vet Adam Pacman Jones would say the same exact thing. And I think all the guys that make these rosters, we should celebrate the hell out of. Because it is not easy to get to this point. And if you end up making a roster and making a living playing a kid's game,

you should be incredibly proud of yourself. Your family should be proud. Your youth football organization should be proud. Your community should be proud. So today is a great day as long as a sad one. And I fucking love everything about it. So good luck to everybody trying to make a team today. We'll be covering all the news as it's released.

And there's already been some cuts, some big names going on a PUP. Von Miller will be out for at least the first three weeks of the NFL season because they put him on PUP today, recovering from an ACL injury that we thought maybe he would be back a little bit early because he was walking like a week and a half after that whole thing. He, hopefully, will be fresh for the back half of the season

for the Buffalo Beals, as opposed to last year where he didn't play in the back half of the season, and obviously he was missing out there. There's other news that's going to roll out today, and we cannot wait for all of it. Victor Hovland will be joining us in about 12 minutes. He just won the biggest bag in the history of golf. Champ.

On Sunday. So six-time champ, now the playoff champion, won the last two weeks. And his story about how he played this season is fascinating. He's young, handsome, and incredibly humble. This guy is awesome for golf. I'm happy we got a chance to watch him. I think, you know, in years past, I guess last couple years, and in early tournaments, you see his name, you see his big smile,

you see how handsome he is, and you're like, I like that guy. But he never won. Nope. You never really saw him win whenever he was in it. So it's like everybody else's name. They're talking about this next generation of golf. His name wasn't ever in there, really. Ricky was even getting talked about more.

And Ricky obviously had that three-year layoff that we just saw kind of come to an end whenever it comes to winning. But his name was like a cute story, cute story, cute story. Then we learned a little bit about we were watching him dominate this past weekend. He hired a stats expert guru in a short game head coach who doesn't even watch golf, this guy. And he just became an absolute weapon didn't miss any of them and now it feels like he's obviously not on our rider cup team so we're gonna have to root against him this guy's gonna rise the ranks the number one number two i think very soon yeah and this is the next generation of golf being led by a guy who is the perfect guy for a league that is kind of taken off in a big way. I'm very pumped to chat with him.

Hopefully we become friends with him. And also, how many days away from NFL season are we? We are nine days away from NFL season. To celebrate that, we'll have my favorite nine of all time. Shane Leckler will be a punter for the Raiders, the Texans. I believe that's it. Pac-Man, he ever punt a ball to you? Yeah, it's Sersky.

He did. I got one against him. One what? You fair catch? No, I don't fair catch. You know that. What happened? House call.

Oh, jeez. Wow. Geez. Sorry, Shane. Well, it's going to happen. Listen, I've seen people run right by me, too. That's going to come with it all. But Shane Leckler is the next punter that should go into the Hall of Fame.

We'll talk to him in the second hour. And then Michael Lombardi will join us. What breaking news will fall out of his mouth? We shall see. It's a great day for it. The Talk Stable is here. At Boston Conner, at Ty Schmidt. Love the shirt.

Hell yeah. Plum Strong, baby. Hell yeah. Representing your hometown, buddy. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's kind of all of our hometowns at this point. We're all tied to it in so many different ways. I think everybody got an opportunity to wrap their arms around the plum community over the last few weeks.

And we want to let you know good people from there. And obviously that was an incredibly sad situation, but I think the entire community has tried to step up. And even though we'll never be able to make up for what they lost, which is absolutely devastating out of nowhere, random Saturday morning, what's going on? Sun shining, everything's good. Bang, six people gone forever in the neighborhood

couldn't have expected it neighbors trying to help somebody with something lose their lives it's sad but what we've seen on the aftermath of it is like a truly beautiful thing and i think a lot of towns will probably would probably do the same and the towns that wouldn't should probably look at plum and say like hey not a bad place just coming together for everybody i've been very proud of the reaction from it and thank you for rocking that, pal. You look pretty good. It's a great shirt. Purple's my color. And also seeing what the Steelers did. You mentioned it yesterday with Tomlin. It really is. That's what's

cool about Pittsburgh, I think, at least. Yeah, Pittsburgh's one of those towns. Yeah, very, very tight. Most blue-collar towns, you know? True. Hey, we've all been through the shit. We all work hard. Yep. We've all seen the shit. Yep. We all feel the same way yep we all want to drink beers yep when one person's down we fucking feel it too it was beautiful

thing it's been a beautiful thing in the midst of something absolutely catastrophic and alarming but tone digs also plum mustang yep hey well not also you are i am nick is i am we all are i have thoughts about what he's doing. We're all Mustangs. Save those for after the show. Tony. We're all Mustangs here. We're all Mustangs here. What are we?

We're all Stangs. What's that? What's the we're all Mustangs here? It's this fund that you started for the wonderful town that we all reign from. Look at this guy. He knows the town. Yeah. He knows Plum.

Come on. We're all Mustangs. Blue Slide Park, Tony. I was there. All right. That's Mac Miller's song. What? That's Oakland.

That's okay. You know, like what I was saying. It's all kind of one town. Yeah, nonetheless. Pittsburgh. No surprises coming out of Pittsburgh, right? I think the only names that we've seen is there's been some trades that have kind of happened. Yep.

The Jonathan Taylor news is just kind of looming. Yep. I would like to let everybody know I FaceTimed Chris Ballard this morning. Yes, you did. Didn't I? Yeah, you did. I said, I'm sick of it. I want to know a fucking answer.

So I FaceTimed Chris Ballard, 10-15. He doesn't answer. Oh, come on, Chris. What's he doing today? What is the general manager of the Indianapolis Colts up to on this particular- You know what he's up to. He's got to talk to every guy that they're releasing. What a terrible –

What is a horrible day for him. Come on in. Yep, sit down. Just a numbers thing. You've said that to everybody that's walked out of here and said it's a numbers thing. He's like, well, yeah, you're number 54 like Dwayne Johnson. So it is.

I apologize. But that's not fun because Chris Ballard and his recruiting team, scouting team, they wanted these guys to make a team. That's why they're in the camp. Had a belief that maybe this person could make the team, other than there would be no other reason why they're there. Having to tell these people that your dreams are probably over,

and if I were you, I would think about doing this or trying this. Not a fun day at all for these general managers, but it's price to pay. Heavy is the head, Connor. Yeah, what stinks even more, I think you've brought this up before, just being in the cafeteria. If you are that 53 and then you have a couple hours where it's like, holy shit, I'm in the NFL, and then you get a call from Chris Ballard

a few hours later that says, hey, this guy was released by the Packers, so we're going to bring him in. And actually, you didn't make the team. Sorry. You are also getting cut. Yeah, it's a fluid 53 here for like the next week and a half. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Two weeks. Nightmare. You're praying that you're really the real 54 guy. That means you can probably slide in some wells. But it's hard, man. It's hard to get in the circle. Only 1% of the world get to play this game. It ain't like everybody get to be a brain surgeon. You know, but it's hard, man. It's hard to get in the circle. Only 1% of the world get to play this game. It ain't like everybody get to be a brain surgeon.

It's hard. That's exactly true. Hey, that's a very good call. Yeah, I guess medicine would be another meritocracy. Oh, yeah. For real, yeah. In surgery. Depending on what college you want to.

Well, surgery. Okay. Surgery, though, I think, especially the brain and the heart. Yeah. I feel like that is a... You got... Has to be. Hopefully. Okay. Surgery, though, I think, especially the brain and the heart. Yeah. I feel like that is a – You got – Has to be. Hopefully.

Hopefully. I mean, who knows what the world we're in, though. You know what I mean? Yeah. I assume that there's some sort of – I could probably go to some brain surgeon that's just like, this guy sucks, but – Yeah, but you got a bunch of people start dying on a guy's watch. It's like, hey, guess what? You're not operating on brains or hearts anymore.

Yeah, you're right. So it is maritime. Yeah. Okay, good news. You're not operating on brains or hearts anymore. Yeah, you're right. So it is maritime. Yeah. Okay, good news. So medicine, professional sports. What else is a true? I mean, you could throw in wrestling. Skydiving.

Professional wrestling? Yeah. Rocky Mountain climbing. Yes. Yeah, skydiving, Rocky Mountain climbing. You fuck up there, you're dead. Bull riding. Bull riding.

Yes, bull riding. That's professional sports, though. Yeah. It's like skydiving and mountain climbing. Base jumping. That's sport. That cheese chase? Oh, yeah, the cheese wheel. wheel yeah where they're running down that hill yep that's a paradox that's gonna sort some shit up quick absolutely alcoholism submarine building all right just don't go down there okay you both just throwing stuff out there we're

trying to actually do something here you know we're trying to point out things in society that we can have hope in that we can say hey you know what little kid if you believe in yourself and you work and get great at something here's a profession where nothing can stand in your way i guess music snow a lot of people say it a lot of ways. Oh, my God. How many great voices have gotten national? Definitely not. So many. Definitely not. That's super. Okay.

Magicians. Unless the director likes you. I don't know. We've seen some of these magicians. You could throw him. Yeah, but I mean. Whoa, Nick. I heard that.

What did he say? I'd like to act like he just didn't say it. Yeah, he did say it, though. I think Magic Cream does rise to the top. Yeah, Michael Griffin. I mean, he's not doing what? Well, that's not his name, first and foremost. It's Michael Malone.

It's not Michael Malone. Yeah, it is. The great American escape hero, Michael Malone. Not the head coach of the Denver Nuggets. The world champions. Yes, thank you. The world champions. Thank you.

I love that. I fucking love the internet, dude. Noah Lyle has just cut a promo about what him and everybody on that stage is doing. Every country is represented. This is a fucking world. This is it right here, pal. What are we talking about? You know how hard it is to get here?

Impossible. You know how many people are running in America? You know how many people are running in Germany? They get in here. This is the real world. He thought he was really saying something oh yeah he thought he was really saying something irrationally pissed and then all of a sudden boy the internet was like this motherfucker yeah yeah where's luca from where is the joker from where is there canadians in the league isn't there where Where's the Greek freak from?

That's why everybody's saying no. No, it's like, they ain't wearing flags. They're playing for Denver. They ain't playing for the United States. It's like, ooh, valid. I guess that's a valid conversation. But with that being said, fucking best in the world. Denver Nuggets. Exactly. The Joker doesn't get much happier when he goes home. Bingo. He actually has

a flag tattooed probably on him somewhere. So that flag's flying all over the place. And then you talk about the NFL, they say world champions then too. Every once in a while you'll see some people kind of come up on the internet like, you ain't world champions. You're the champions of the national football league. Doesn't even have an international team. It's like, well,

if they got one, we'd fucking beat them. Chiefs are the world champions. If we want to do that, then let's have the Chiefs go play the Rhine Fire next week and see what the final score is. You want to put up pink slips, too? Yeah, exactly. We want the stadium.

That's what we got. We'll send Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey to all these towns. Argonauts can fucking get it, too. Yeah, bingo. Yeah, I'm not scared to send them off to the CFL. The only issue is we can't play by those state fair rules. Two and outs. Do you remember how mad those people got when I said that?

Oh, yeah. I love a state fair. I just saw that recently. He got another shot in. That guy. They literally ran my quote. A lot of colorful language in here. We'll never

swear on this program. I like McAfee. We both have shows. That was the time I thought Canada was canceling me. It was good. I've got a lot of It was good. So dumb. I got a lot of history in Canada. A lot of history in Canada. Love Canada.

Been going up there since I'm like 15 years old. Love the laws up there. Love the rules up there. Love just how cheap their little dive bars are up there in Niagara Falls. Sure. Like the big Frankenstein on top of Burger King up there. I mean, I love Canada. And then I say, hey, your rules are just like state fair rules, bro. I love them, but it's not real.

No. All of a sudden, this. He doesn't even understand football! This thing. It's like, well, they get a running start from the end zone. That's like Arena League shit. I love Arena League. State fair football. Love everything about it. How many downs is there? Okay, that's

not football. The punter can score it. How many downs is there? Okay, that's not football. Nope. The punter can score? That's sick. I'm a fan of that. I love it. But also, the goalposts are actually running picks on people. Sweet. These are all just added little State Fair things, you know, where they make the hoop just a little bit wider,

a little bit smaller. You got to get it. Or whenever you're trying to stand that bottle up with that little stick with the thing. Like, that's a fun little game. We love what you did with football. I appreciate the CFL. I got a lot of ex-teammates that are making great livings up in CFL.

All that being said, we're playing two different sports here. We respect your sport, though, because it's cold as fuck up there. So I don't even know how hard all those—a full running start collision? They're trying to get rid of kickoffs in the NFL. The CFL is like, how cold is it? How hard is the field? Sweet. Let's get a bigger runner.

I love that. I love the CFL more and more as we talk about it. But they did try to kill us. Yeah. They did. They did try to kill us. And Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey would go up there and beat them all. Oh, yeah.

Just on two. Two on 11. Arizona would go up and beat all of them. I have no idea. Arizona Cardinals? Yeah, they will go up and beat everything of them. I have no idea. Arizona Cardinals? Yeah, they will go up and beat everything. Okay, let's pivot to the Arizona Cardinals. What the hell is going on over there?

Magic. Shots. Pew, pew, pew. Whole new team. Pew, pew, pew. Get rid of everybody. I mean, just holding their cards so close to the chest. Nobody can see anything.

You know, I'm fascinated by the whole Arizona Cardinals situation. Sure. Because obviously they give a massive contract to a quarterback that has a clause in it that any human that's ever been around the NFL is like, that's alarming. And then it was actually reported as news. And then somehow I think player got pissed about it either being in there not knowing or coming out publicly.

And then they dissolve they get rid of actually yeah we're just joking we just we don't makes it worse oh yeah makes it even i think it makes it even worse and then cliff kingsbury gone steve kime gone knew this same quarterback contract without the clause that we all know was in there and need to be in there for whatever reason and then you see like, you know, at one point, Buda, who's like one of the faces, like, get me the fuck out of here. And then like Larry Fitzgerald retires.

You know, it's like, D-Hop says, what the hell is going on with Arizona? They're going to have to start from brand new, you think? This is 100% Kyler's team, build around Kyler completely? Is that what Gannon's doing? They give it to Colt McCoy and then now we're not announcing the starter for competitive advantage. It's a 17

week season, bro. You don't think they'll figure it out in the first two quarters. You got Dobbs or Toon? Clayton Toon. Tooney. You got Dobbs or Tooney. You don't think that NFL defense, whoever the fuck they're playing, won't be able to figure it out by halftime? Football team.

Boy, oh boy.. Yeah. Maybe not. Boy, oh boy. Maybe. Smart play. Cannon. Ron Rivera said, ah, fuck, I didn't even know this guy was good at football. What the hell? You guys been watching this guy practice?

Where's he been? Has he been playing on the other field? What is this all about? Eric Bien-Ami, yeah, he needs to figure out how to coach. Yeah, that is a beating of the minds in that game. I had no idea that we had a playoff chance still. Holy shit. I love Ron Rivera.

He's had a great run, but it feels like his time is probably done. Big-time trade, Will Lutz, kicker for the New Orleans Saints. Only one L in Will has been traded to the Denver Broncos. Wow. Okay, remember, the Denver Broncos let McManus go. Then he brought in Maher from the Dallas Cowboys. He had quite a rocky year. And then now they're trading for Will Lutz, who I believe was injured last year.

This guy just hits the ball just like Tucker. Like, this guy's a great kicker. And he's got a lot of swag. That means Blake Group. Yeah, the tiny kid. The kid out of Notre Dame made the team. Congrats. Hey, let's go, Bob.

Yeah. Hey, baby, Grouper. Proud of you, pal. Let's go, Group. But I'm also pumped for the Broncos. Will kid out of Notre Dame made the team. Congrats. Hey, let's go, Bob. Yeah. Hey, baby, grouper. Proud of you, pal. Let's go, group. But I'm also pumped for the Broncos. Will Lutz is a good kicker. And him and Sean Payton, I assume. Yeah.

Boy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Know each other. You know what I mean? They golf, I assume, together. Joining us now, speaking of golf, is a man who just won the biggest purse in the history of golf. What?

Hell yeah. Hell yeah, dude. Big man. So handsome. Oh, yeah. Beast. Absurdly handsome. Yep.

Can't help it. You know, there's other golfers walking around lucas glover we love him by the end of the round he's you know everybody just sweating all over the place this guy takes hat off hair still perfect somehow incredibly handsome golf swing superb and then in the last half of this particular season he just became a dominant player and on sunday we got to watch him hold off Xander Shoffley, who shot like a 10-under on a Sunday as he was dominant, draining putts, making shots. Ladies and gentlemen, your FedExCup playoff champion, Victor Hovland.

Yeah! What's up, dude? What's up, guys? Good to be with you. Hey, listen, I love the way you just said that with you there. You know how to add a Norway. I really appreciate that. You live in Oklahoma.

Is there a cross between the southern accent and the norwegian accent happening in your brain or how do you feel whenever you speak out there i'm just trying really hard to fit in i uh remember coming to school and uh and uh play for oklahoma state and my teammates were like dude why do you sound like it's norwegian you you can't be doing that around here so you got you better put that southern twang on and and say y'all and try to fit in. Hey, listen, when you go to the stores around here and the bars around here, we don't need that with you. We need to slow that down a little bit.

Well, from Oklahoma State to now this, congratulations, buddy. Yes. You know what I mean? You chased a dream. You had a dream. And I feel like this season we looked in and learned a lot more about you, I think, than obviously any time in the past. Whenever you're leading the biggest tournament of the year, everybody's going to learn a

lot about you. I learned about you hiring a stats guy, okay? Eduardo Molinari. And he was teaching you how to play courses. Were you too aggressive? Because I was listening to the commentators but i didn't fully understand they said massive move by you was the hire this paisano to change the way what was that exactly yeah basically to to to kind of sum it up uh basically the best players in the world play

very aggressively that's that's and when you and when you're on, you're on, that's when you reap the benefits. And I kind of took that a little bit too far. So the second shots hitting into the greens where the pin is tucked all the way in the sides, I will usually miss it on the side where there's no green. And that usually doesn't work out in the long run. So yeah, we basically just

had a chat and he looked at the numbers he said okay when the pin is is tucked on the sides just air a little bit more on the fat side so i've just been hitting more greens and put myself in a position where i can make make more putts when did that start happening when that conversation i assume others have told you this in the past why did that break through for you from him so i had hired a new coach earlier this year joseph mayo and he came on board i started early out um pebble beach was the first tournament he came and watched me play and he had watched me play for a couple months and it was at the masters when i was in contention i didn't have a very good sunday um but he's he's watching me play the tournament he's like there's something you know you're you're doing something i don't know what it is but there's

something that's wrong and uh obviously not the the best time to maybe do it at Augusta National while I've got a chance to win. But it's it's spurred on a great discussion after that, because I like to play poker and to put in poker terms. It's like you're supposed to bet or check or bluff at certain frequencies. bet or check or bluff at certain frequencies and when those frequencies are off you basically you're not playing to the your fullest potential and basically that's what he was seeing when he was watching me play it's like hey you're just missing in these worst possible spots at a way higher frequency than most other guys are so we we need a we need to address this okay i love it that he got through molinari got through and kind of changed the way you view golf courses i want to let you know though what i just heard from you makes me respect you even more because

i'm going at that pin every fucking time you know i got well how far is it i got that club right absolutely i'm going right forward we're fun that way well not i mean i mean for you you're in contention at the masters for me i'm on ball 14 you know in seven holes in that's a little bit of a nightmare but let's talk about joe mayo because i watched the video of him and i watched you chat about him at a press conference pj tor kind of put this piece together of your relationship they interviewed him you said a guy who doesn't even watch golf pretty much was the guy that helped me with my short game. How'd you find out about this guy? And what does that mean? He doesn't watch golf. And what did he do for you? Because in the video, it was like mathematics pretty much is what he teaches. And I guess

that made you believe a little bit more and gave you more confidence. Like how did he make you better short around the green where you were like 155th in the entire world at one point not too long ago? Now you're draining every putt, chipping everything in there. What happened, and how did it happen so quickly? Yeah, great question. A lot to unpack there. Well, do it in English, please. It's a southern accent, okay?

Thanks. My best. So basically when I was a sophomore at Oklahoma state, Joe had a relationship with the coaches, Alan Bratton and Donnie Dar, and he came to visit and just to speak with the coaches. And that's where I got to meet him for the first time. So that's about six years ago. Ever since then,

I kind of struck up a relationship with him and my roommate at the time. This is now fast forward after school. He went to work with Joe. He lives in Vegas and it was a fall where I didn't have a lot to do. So I just went with him to Vegas. We had a good time. And I got to meet Joe even more. And I really just liked his approach to the game because I think most people get caught up in all the little details when they don't really see the full picture. And, you know, the ball doesn't know how much you slept or how hard you worked. It only cares about the math and physics. How is the club head hitting the ball? How fast are you hitting it? Were you hitting it on the club face? Those are the things that matter. So basically in salesman terms, Joe was selling the

steak, whereas a lot of other people are selling the sizzle, if you will. So we just got right down to business. Yeah, it seems like it works pretty quickly after diving into it, if that video that I watched was accurate, where it was like Genesis Invitational to now, you've just made so much progress. Your seasons are so long, dude.

It's like 30 some weeks, bro. Yeah, absurd. I don't know what it is in Norway, but in America, 52 weeks in a year, 34-week season. And now we've got the Ryder Cup coming in like five more weeks. Is it – you just – you're prepared for this life? This is just – I don't think a lot of people could be golfers. After watching that full swing or whatever – is that drive the swing?

Full swing. Yeah, you get it. That whole thing. Once I watch it, I'm like, I could not – I don't think I could make it in the golf world. You're rock stars on tour all year round. You're just built for it. Always been the dream. How'd we get here?

You think? Yeah, it's, it's a lot of work. No question about it. But it's just something that I've always enjoyed. I love playing golf. Even, even now, you know, super happy about the last couple of weeks, weeks obviously but now i'm back in stillwater and uh gonna go and play with my buddies later today it's just kind of you know i i just love hanging out on the golf course and talking smack and playing golf so um i really do enjoy it um at

the same time it is a little bit of a long season if you're going to do this for 20 20 years 25 years you know it's so you need to put a couple breaks in there and i do like what the pj tour has done now with uh kind of shortening the season and allowing players to take some time off in the fall because it's uh it is much needed yeah and bigger purses like that that. Huh? Hey, big ones. I heard you talk a lot about like, yeah, I'm not really thinking about the first big purchase. I live in Stillwater, Oklahoma. Everything's pretty cheap.

That's how you've kind of put it all off. That's why I think like you're the perfect, I'm not going to put the whole weight of golf on you, but like this next generation of golfers, obviously it's a good time to be in the golf world. I think golf popularity is bigger than it's been in a long, long time. I think, obviously, with the live money coming in and who knows how that's going to work out, there's a lot of people that are like, maybe golf will be a profession for me around

the world, not just here in America. I think it's a good... Hey, you're one of the fucking faces of the future of golf. That's a real thing that is happening in front of you and you're just going to save all your money chill and just golf with your boys and then take over the world or are we buying something huh we buying a big house maybe nice car what do we got are we splurging at all we just won the biggest purse in pga victor we we did it yeah yeah i know and it's probably not the answer that you want to hear. But it's just like, you know, I've already had a pretty successful year and prior years, I've been very lucky and

made a lot of money playing golf. But it's like, if I if I want something, and I want to change my life and go in a different direction, I'll just do it. You know, there's no, like, oh, this happens so I can do this. It's like, if I want to do something, I'll just do it. And, you know, like, Oh, this happened. So I can do this. It's like, if I want to do something, I'll just do it. And, um, you know, uh, you know, super cliche, but it doesn't, you know, money doesn't change my outlook on things. I'm still going to go out there and, and I want to go to the gym. I want to go to the, to the course and practice. Cause that's, what's going to get me better. Um, you know, money's is nice and more money. Sure. That's great, but it's's going to get me better. You know, money is nice and more money. Sure, that's great, but it's not going to give me any additional meaning.

You know, so that's just kind of how I look at it. I love it. And you said I wouldn't like that answer. We love that. That's the future of golf right there. Let's go, baby. We need you. We love it.

Absolutely love it. Now, in a few weeks weeks to hell with you go ahead yeah you talked about talking shit on the course and if it comes down to this i hope you lose or if you do win i hope it doesn't matter um now the team usa everyone's out the captain picks are out do you have like a uh dream matchup come sunday or when it's one-on-ones that you would like to have? Is there a guy on Team USA that you would like to face most? Dude, their whole team is so deep. I think any of those guys on the team would be a hell of a match. But I don't think there's one player in particular.

I think I just kind of want to play whoever's playing the best uh on their team i think it's i think it's just a really cool challenge obviously you want to you want to win the match and put a point up on the leaderboard but i mean i'm just thinking back on on sunday when xander and i went in the last group and shot 62 and 63 i mean how awesome would that be to doing a rider cup match in a singles match or something like that? So I just want whoever who's playing the best and hopefully I play a little bit better. OK, I love everything you're saying is scratching me right where I just want to let you know. I just want to let you know that. So whenever you're playing Xander, you guys are in the middle of that round. You both know it, right? Like, damn, OK, here we go.

You both see each other get into trouble and make absurd shots, like just absurd shots out of nowhere. And it's like, okay, are you waiting for the other person to crack or is there any conversation between the two or are you enjoying that? Because that was great to watch, like fucking incredible television.

What are you experiencing while you're watching a guy who's trying to come get you, play great golf, and you're answering every time yeah i think obviously there's a sense of admiration from from both sides um you know six six shots is is is a huge lead and and kind of the game plan before i started was you know if i just make a lot of parts, keep myself out of trouble and maybe pick up a couple of birdies, this tournament should be mine. But after Xander's start, I was like, OK, this guy's serious.

He's not going to back down. And I had to make some birdies as well. And he got to a point there, especially on the back nine, when, OK, he missed a short birdie putt on 10, but he made that huge slinger on 11 for birdie. And I missed a short birdie putt on 10 but he made that huge slinger on 11 for birdie and i missed my short birdie putt and then he makes another one on 12 and i'm like dude are you ever gonna stop i mean this is ridiculous so um yeah it definitely um you know you you're definitely watching the other guy do something special. And, you know, it just makes you – you just have to step up and try to keep up. Yeah, and you did, pal. That flat stick was beautiful to watch, which Connor has a question for.

Yeah, Victor, on Sunday, I believe the broadcast came on and they mentioned how you were 48 of 48 from inside five feet. And people were like, oh, it's only five feet. Am I supposed to be impressed? Give me a break. Not the average person could go 48 for 48. Eight for eight. Eight for eight, yeah.

Ten, five for five. Shit. I mean, I'm shooting 120 besides the point. It's coming down, though. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. My last round was 130. Oh, it's going up, actually. It's going up just a little, just a little.

But when you are that hot with your putter, when you're standing over the ball, and like you just mentioned, maybe Xander just made a bird putt you know and there's a little bit of pressure when you're that hot though is there even any thought or is it just like you know exactly where you need to put the ball and just roll it into the hole yeah it's it's pretty wild i heard that stat after i finished the tournament i was like wow that's that's pretty unbelievable. I'm pretty good. Yeah. Brian Harmon basically accomplished something similar at the Open.

I mean, just didn't basically miss a putt inside 10 feet or something stupid the whole week. And I don't know. I think it's just one of those things you just feel good over the ball and you keep making it. So, you know, you don't try to question it. If the ball is going in, you're like're like all right let's just keep doing this um but especially at east like those those those greens get so fast and they're so slopey and some of those putts you have to hit

them so soft even though they're you know four or five feet they've still got a ton of break to them so um yeah i was i was on a heater you sent that yes i'd say yeah that one you ain't i forget which one it was you and xander were about the same spot you were like four feet behind him so you had to go first and you rolled this thing to another hole and then it kind of broke down but you didn't have enough speed or whatever yeah fine yeah yeah like you're aiming for a spot there that's all like obviously that's what putting is i played tiger woods golf game but i have never got into a zone like that you're just looking at a spot and then you're aiming for a spot there. That's all, like, obviously that's what putting is. I played Tiger Woods' golf game, but I have never got into a zone like that. You're just looking at a spot

and then you're just hitting that thing. That's every single putt's the same exact putt for you? Yeah, pretty much. That one was pretty crazy because I basically aimed in the complete opposite direction of the pin. So that just goes to show some of those greens that are out there at East Lakes.

So that was just one of those you kind of just put it hit and hope for the best and i misjudged it slightly but it was uh it was a nice two putt yeah i'd say yeah everything you did out there was fantastic i know you have another interview you have to do so we appreciate the hell out of you joining us uh keep it going and it's the rider cup i i'm sure a lot of your oklahoma friends are saying the same thing to hell with you bud yep did you do this did you get the chance to do this with the trophy yet I don't know if you know this but my lips were all over this thing whenever I was in Lake Tahoe I got to chug a corona out of this tournament do we have it yeah look at this thing did you do this with this I'll never look at that trophy the same. Now you just completely ruined it.

No, no, no, no. I was paying homage to it. I was saying it's a celebration. It's a celebration. I can't believe they let me. Put it in there. That was a lot. It takes a lot of beer.

I assume you know that by this stage, but it was a lot more than I thought it was. Oh, boy. It's a good little mouthful. Put it that way. Atta baby. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, your FedExCup champion, Victor Hovland. Thank you, boy. It's a good little mouthful. Put it that way. Atta baby. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, your FedExCup champion, Victor Hovland.

Thank you, buddy. Cheers, buddy. He's awesome. Yep. Weapon. So good at golf. That accent really is a mixture. It is.

It took a while to get used to. Yeah. Because when I was hearing him talk, like in his interviews this past weekend and the weekend before, I'm like, has he been in America since he was in elementary school? Yes. He was from, so we had to look it up, college. But once he got over there, they're like, listen here, Stillwater, if you want to make this a lot easier, slow that down.

What do you say? How's it going with you? Yeah. What is that? What is the accent? I have no idea. Can you do it? No, I really don't know.

I need to look at some tape in Norwegian. I don't know if they have like a super. They speak obviously English. I'm just thinking of Avicii because he's from Sweden. I feel like those must be similar. Was it Finland, Norway, Sweden? Yeah. Greenland, Iceland.

A lot of upwards inflection. Well, the thing about it is Greenland is ice, and Iceland is nice. That's right. You know, they learned that in Mighty Ducks, but also they did that back in the day to send people to help. Yeah, ice cream with the enemy. That's right. That's Greenland. Yeah, head over to Greenland.

You don't want to go to Iceland. Super nice. And then you go to Greenland. Yeah, then Iceland. I watched a jail, I think, in Greenland. There's a jail. There's one jail up there. Sounds terrible. I think they're allowed out, and then they go back in at night.

Seriously, I think I watched it. That's a documentary. I was on a documentary about Jail's Kick whenever I watched that. The Black Dolphin? Yeah, the Black Dolphin one in Russia. And then I think there was one in Greenland. It's the only jail they got. If you could Google that in the back there, that would be great.

But that's where Norway is up in there, right? Super cold. I believe so, yeah. How does he become golfer? Freezing. How do you think he becomes golfer? Beautiful though in the summer. Yeah?

Yeah. All those Scandinavians. For what, like a month and a half? I'm not sure exactly the time. Can't be that long though because they're northern Europe. That's like Canada right in Alaska. It's just freezing cold out there. I wonder, though, if because of that in the summer that they have daylight for longer.

So you're playing like three rounds a day. Oh, for the 24-hour sun thing. Yeah. That's an interesting dynamic. I don't know. Whatever. He's a stud. Yeah.

Congrats to him, pal. He should just play for America in the Ryder Cup. I don't understand. Is that what it's called? Is it in Greenland or where was it? It's World's Most Dangerous Prisons or something is the series, I think. I saw one down in Lake. Oh, yeah, I've seen that before.

The Russian one's like a hole right in the make them walk with the dogs. The Russian one had its own documentary, I think. Yeah, there was Mountain. Yeah, Beach on that thing. Like it had its own documentary, I think. Yeah, there was Mountain. Yeah, one on the beach on that thing. Like, it had its own pool and everything. Yeah, there's some jails where it's like, actually, you know, you go in there, you're living in a little town. It's not that big of a deal. Was it Nuke?

Greenland's Nuke maximum security prison house is an extremely dangerous prison, many of whom grew up alongside the guards not watching over them. Yep, that's it. Greenland, prison in the ice. Bang. IMDB. That's probably the thing right there that I watched. It was wild the way they operate. It's like an apartment, basically, that they're living in.

What? Some of the guys just get to go home at night or during the day. They go to work, and they come in at night, check back in. All right. Not a bad gig. I got one in here that looks awesome. The Greenland one? Yeah, it looks like a fucking resort.

Yeah, that's it. Right there. That was it. The guy left for the day. Then he comes back fucking resort. Yeah, that's it. Right there. That was it. The guy left for the day. Then he comes back at night. Yeah, they're brand new jail. Brand new jail. I had to make it nicer.

Kind of looks like the Miles Teller movie. Spider-Head. Yeah, Spider-Head. I've not seen that movie. Is that pre or post Top Gun? This is post, I think, a Netflix film. Yeah, I can't remember. I think it might have been post.

Hemsworth's in it. Well, I'll tell you what. If Miles Teller's in it, I'm watching it. He only makes bangers. Yeah, I can't remember. I think it might have been Post. Well, I'll tell you what. If Miles Teller is in it, I'm watching it. He only makes bangers. That's what I've learned about Miles Teller. It's a good film. What else? There's another movie out there right now that's being judged pretty good.

Oh, Barbie. Did you guys watch it? Have not seen Barbie. Why not? Sexist. Just talked to make it out to the theater. What are you talking about? Oh, John Cena's in it.

Barbie. You see it? No. I want to see it. I mean, I will. I'll watch anything with Gosling. Me too. Amen.

And Margot Robbie. Yeah, exactly. So when it's streaming, you guys are watching it? Absolutely. As soon as it pops up on the stream, you guys are in. Right away. Pay $8.99. I'd go as far as $24.99.

$24.99? You want to own it. You're not renting it. I want this thing to be on my box. So if I lose internet one day, I'll be able to say, saved on this box, one of the six movies I could probably do this with, Barbie. Hell yeah, I appreciate it.

That's what our show's all about. That's range. And on Barbie for sure. Because we watch Oppenheimer. Got a chance to see that because that's a historical story. Yeah. That I don't know if any of them. He loves smacking cheeks.

Who, Oppenheimer? Oh, yeah. So much cheek smacking in there. Oppie is a horndog. Oppie was just throwing around everything he could out there while theorizing. He was licking everything. He loves Adams, too?

Huh? He loves Adams? I do believe he's... No, he actually wanted to split it. He actually hates Adams. He's like, this thing needs to not be together. Yeah, exactly. And then they actually, once we split it, we're actually going to catch the thing.

That was the big jump over the Germans, I believe, is what made us smarter and more powerful than that. Yeah, the Germans fucked up. They screwed up the materials that they were supposed to use. Hey, right now they're good at NFL football. How many millions of people are signing up to buy those tickets? They're really good at it. Playing it, they stink. Four or five.

That's why we're world champions. Exactly. Noah. Fucking field a team, boy. Suck it. Let's talk about somebody who I don't think is ever going to win a Super Bowl as a head coach. And it breaks my heart. Oh, no.

It does break my heart. Former player. He's been on the program. He's been great. They even tie in like gambling is a part of his entire being. Oh, Riverboat Ron, they say. Love Riverboats. Love Riverboats.

Love former players that are coaches. Love former players having success. Love coaches that his players like him. Like that coaches have success. Been to a Super Bowl. But I do believe we love guys that are players like him like that coaches have success been to a super bowl yeah but i do believe we ever love guys that are able to beat cancer yep and in the middle of doing that inspire and lead and take on an entire thing while also having to build a culture that was being torn down at the same time by ownership love everything about it i do believe as a football

coach though his time is done yeah The more things that he says with his outside voice that should be just inside voice things makes me realize that maybe he has lost the certain thing that head coaches need to have. For instance, not good to say, especially a guy that gets drafted to be potentially

the future, to say, fuck! I had no idea this guy was good. Do you know what I would have done if no idea this guy was good. Really? Do you know what I would have done if we knew this guy could play football like this? Jeez. And what we all liked about Sam Hill was how strong his arm was. I couldn't even imagine at practice what he was doing.

Whenever he's just reading off cards, going against the defense, I'm sure the defense is like, hey, this guy's got a fucking hose over here. And Ron Rivera's like, I don't want to see the film. I don't want to see the film. I don't want to see anything. Heineke basically said as much to us. Like, man, fucking Sam Howell looked fucking incredible all year. Taylor Heineke was supposed to start a game.

The last game of the year. And he said, don't start me. You guys need to see this guy. And then Taylor Heineke came on Radio Row. And we're like, Taylor Heineke, kind of a, I don't want to start. Are you retired? Are you done? Are you going to go sell Pokemon cards? Fake ones? Are you going to do it? What are you going to do? What are you going to do? And then Taylor Heineke came on Radio Row, and we're like, Taylor Heineke, kind of a, I don't want to start in the NFL. Are you retired? Are you done?

Are you going to go sell Pokemon cards, fake ones? Are you going to do, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Are you just going to zen for the rest of your life? Are you done with football? You're saying, I don't think I should start somebody else. What's that all about? And Taylor Heineke goes, no, I just really like the guy, and I think he is really good.

To be honest, Ron Rivera never watched me practice. Yeah, clearly. That was all. The only way that Coach Rivera is going to see this guy is if he gets into a game. That's crazy. And I'll tell you what, as soon as we saw him, I'm a massive fan. This follows him talking about Eric Bien-Ami in a way where he's like, Eric, not a head coach, kind of a doofus.

It's like, all right, that's inside voice. Might be real. Should not be saying that publicly. Had to come back. And then if you go back last year, I didn't even know we had a chance to make playoffs. So there's like numerous things now that have happened where I think Ron Rivera, Coach Ron Rivera has lost his fastball. Not saying he's a bad guy, but if I was a coach or the new owner,

or if I was a fan or the new ownership, I'd be like, how many of these things that. Yeah. Immediately. Like for a guy that haven't watched this guy practice, don't know what he can do. Like, what are you, the GM or the head coach? How are you not seeing what these guys can do, breaking down family and at least watching the game plan that your offensive coordinator or whoever is putting in

or even watching the guys that might be on the bubble of making the team? Yeah, it's an interesting, fascinating thing here that is happening, but it all revolves around him not using his inside voice. It's always outside voice. I'm sure there's other coaches who have seen a quarterback for the first time when the lights come on and whenever the whole thing, and they're like, damn, did not know that this guy had it in him. But they're keeping that inside.

They're not saying, fuck, no idea. No. You're the head coach. That's a tough thing. Following those other situations, I just feel like it's going to be tough for Ron Rivera to win. I hope that's not the case, but I think he's lost it. I think he's lost it as a head coach.

Yeah, I think so. But I think he also kind of got a raw deal. Like, obviously, everyone in the NFL, if you're a head coach, you have a bunch of shit on your plate. But, like, no other guys were – like, they basically forced him, like, hey, you're going to be part of, like, kind of reshaping the face of this franchise like we need you to help pick the name we need you to you know restore the culture like do all this shit that like yeah obviously a new head coach comes in he wants to instill his culture and build all that kind of stuff but like he had to deal with like so much

administrative bullshit too you wonder if part of him wasn't just like that just completely sapped everything out of it and now it's like he's got nothing left what if he's just tapping out he could be what if he's done man there's been a lot i've been through a lot and he sees the reading on the wall too i'm sure it's like hey new owner this guy didn't hire me like if we don't win 12 games this year i'm probably going to get fired new owner new team name probably coming right new era new everything in although ron rivera has been a part of the transition phase there i don't think there's going to be any loyalty especially in that NFC East. Right.

That is very, very good, which, once again, we can't stress enough, love Ron Rivera. But, boy, there's been some things that caused us to question some stuff. Do we think Week 17, like, how it was out there and starting and throwing around, and he had to say, who the fuck is this guy? What's this guy's name? When did we sign him? This guy?

He's on our team? How else? I thought Heineke was supposed to. I told Heineke. Is that a guy's name? This guy. He's on our team? How else? I thought Heineke was supposed to. I told Heineke. Is that a Wentz? No. Bench Heineke for Wentz when Heineke was on a win streak. Even more, I don't want to keep compounding things, but recent history tells us

that maybe Ron Rivera's exhausted. Maybe his decision making isn't as sound as it once was. That's in press conferences and on the field. And maybe an Rivera's exhausted. Maybe his decision-making isn't as signed as it once was. That's in press conferences and on the field. And maybe an advisor role. Right. Or a consultant role. Yeah, absolutely.

He's earned that, I think, in that building. Yeah, definitely. I think. And it feels like he has a player who's awesome. Carolina people love him. What if he thought Carson Wentz was Sam Howell going into that game? Could have. This guy sucks.

Yeah. Who's this guy? We can't play this guy. Defensive, you guys tell me this guy's beating you every single day? No, the other guy. Who is the other guy? What? This is the guy.

We have three quarterbacks? We're paying this guy $30 million. What are you talking about? The other guy was drafted. Oh. By who? Okay. Us?

I drafted him? Maybe Ron came back down to Carolina and they put him and Frank together and it would be one competent coach. Jeez Louise. Frank. You think Franky right? I was here in this city. You saw it.

Yeah. Just like RG3 said that the Colts, you know, should not trade Jonathan Taylor or something like that. And he's like, just pay him. Just pay him is what RG3 is saying. It's like, RG3, I appreciate what you're saying. And if money was able just to solve this, I would hope that they would have been able to get it done or whatever,

at least talked about getting it done. That ship has sailed, RG3. And I think all Colts fans, ah, I don't want to say all Colts fans because there's Colts fans out there that don't live in the city, never been to a game, have no idea what it was like, can't get to a game, whatever the case, have no idea what it was like. Can't get to a game, whatever the case. Have no idea what it's like. That team was so miserable to be a part of

last year. And be a part of, I mean, just being somebody that goes and watches the games and just watches it unfold, it's like, this is tough. And now that there's a new, fresh energy, there's only one thing that is kind of, I feel like a lot of people just want to all right

let's just get the anchor out of here and let's see can we get a weapon on the other side yeah and can jonathan taylor end up in a place that will pay him and then maybe he will be able to have all the success that he's hoping for quickly because he might see that this is a rebuilding team as well you know and we talked to dalvin cook yesterday dalvin cook says i'm trying to win now you know what i mean maybe jonathan Jonathan Taylor's at the same thing. He sees what's happening with all the contracts, sees what could happen with his career. Last year was the first time he had experienced any injuries.

Maybe he's like, this team ain't winning now. I need to get to a place that I can win now and get money. Maybe that's a part of the strategy. Nonetheless, RG3, I don't think the coach and Jonathan Taylor are together anymore. No way. I think they're on break. They've been on a break. I don't think the coach and Jonathan Taylor are together anymore. No way. I think they're on break.

They've been on a break. And I think they are changing the relationship status on the internet. Right now. Very soon. Yep. I appreciate what RG3 was saying because people are answering like, he doesn't want to be there, pal. Why would they bring him back?

And RG3 was telling everybody, pay him, pay him, pay him's like all right well you're gonna go are you gonna hop in a portal go back in time to when jim ursae wasn't just fucking incredibly embarrassed and ridiculed on the internet because he's the guy making the decision and somebody down in um miami was like the miami dolphin jonathan taylor deal is basically done it's what the internet was saying okay the internet making things up a lot of people are saying the Dolphins are going to make this deal done. And then I saw a couple people say, Jim Irsay is unpredictable though. And I do believe that is another fact. Although the Dolphins thing might

not be real, the person following up saying Jim Irsay is unpredictable though, I think that is accurate. Because what if there is a Hail Mary attempt at the end from Jim Irsay with Jack Nicklaus' putter where he hands it down to Jonathan Taylor and goes, hey, listen, I don't have any more money for you, but I got a $1.5 million putter that you can utilize whenever you need to.

And then we can negotiate. Maybe there is a Hail Mary, a let's go shake their Hans at the final moments. But the way it feels, and I have no inside information. I tried to FaceTime Ballard. I was going to wish him good luck. That's what I told him I was going to say. I wasn't. I was going to say, are we trading Jonathan Taylor today or not? I was going to try to read his face. He goes, I ain't got time. I hate to FaceTime Ballard. I was going to wish him good luck. That's what I told him I was going to say. I wasn't. I was going to say, are we trading John Taylor today or not?

I was going to try to read his face. He was like, I ain't got time. I hate to tell you, I don't think he's going to get traded. You don't think so? I don't think he's going to trade him. Wow, what do you think is going to happen then? I think he's going to make him sit. Like, you got to come play or either you're going to have to take what I'm getting.

I don't think he's going to play. That would be tough, wouldn't it? Could you imagine if that is the case? I mean, and that is certainly an outcome that could take place. Diana Rossini tweeted, X'd. Posted. Fucking hate that.

Yeah, it's dumb. You post on Instagram, Facebook. Right. You post on a blog. I guess you post on Reddit. Is that what you do? Yeah, that's right. I post, yep.

You used to be able to differentiate some things, you know? For sure. It's all the same now. It's really a tweet. Everything's a post now. Thanks for eliminating some creativity, Elon. Asshole. Those the same now. Everything's a post now. Thanks for eliminating some creativity, Elon. Asshole. Those fights are starting

to show back up in that. They are. I saw some people get their faces beat. I just saw some lady as well get stiff-armed into oblivion. Oh, that lady. Oh, yeah.

Well, yeah. On the phone? That was on main feed. Yeah, that's not an algorithm feeding me fights. That's one that needed to crack their... Because that's at a sport.

Yeah. That was at a sporting event. That's in our world. And we do have to cover that at some point. I have never seen explosion like that lady had. She had lightning in that hand. That's right. And throat.

Yeah. Throat. Boom. Out of frame. 10 yards. It kind of reminded me of the one lady, I think it was in Popeyes or something like that, where a lot of people, a lot of captions were, she could play right guard. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember that. No, that was at Best Buy? Was it at Best Buy? That was one of those, too. Remember the lady at Best Buy? From stealing? Yeah, that lady was in there. She stopped like a four-man rush on her own.

We should get those three ladies together and see how they would do in the CFL. Okay, so not in the League League, but in the CFL. They're going to have to figure some things out and then they'll get going. I didn't expect that lady to be that – that had to be a work. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, is this a work? Generate that much power? That had to be a good – That's what I was thinking. I'm like, is this a work? Generate that much power? That had to be a good set.

Like Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan. That's what that felt like. That lady was like, all right, this is what we'll do. We'll go out there. I'll be on the phone. It's going to look so cool. Somebody set up the thing. And then you get in my face, act like you're tough,

and then you just throw me 14 yards. Everyone's standing up like, see. That's what I'll do. I mean, they're really popping off air. What? Bitch. I heard that actually. I don't know if you guys heard it. It's muted right now.

I actually just heard. I don't know if you heard it. Some of the dialogue. Bitch. You heard it. I'll frame Jerry Jones staring over there. What's going on over there? Jerry is peeping around.

What's going on over there? He's also thinking about signing her. That's one arm. Imagine her on the edge. See on the edge? TJ Watt. We saw him yesterday. Imagine TJ Watt's going to line up and this lady

is trying to set the fucking edge on TJ. He might just tap out. Her getting out wide for a screen. The dude's face in the front row behind the Nolan Ryan jersey. Oh, my God. Jeez. Mind blown. God, like these are the things where I wish I could be.

Yeah. You know what I mean? This is one of those situations. Get your little ass out of here. Wow, that was wide. Look at her on the phone, holding it away from her face. I don't want to get any makeup on her, bitch. Bang.

I told you not to come over here messing with people. Anyways, that should be in our algorithm. We appreciate the algorithm, obviously, because that's sports. That's right. We don't love that that comes with sports, but every once in a while, there's going to be a ha in sports. It's going to happen. People get passionate. People get emotional. I assume that was

over the score of the game and something that happened on the field. Right. That was nothing personal. No. That was a sports related thing exactly so that making its way into our algorithm i'm okay with but all this other stuff that they're pumping in i don't need to wake up and see four guys get their faces stomped i don't know why x has become that's what it was at one point yep and then they kind of cracked the code a little bit. They're like, all right, I guess we can run up numbers with this because everybody's like, oh, oh, oh, oh. How about that one guy in the middle, though, when those two kids came running across the street?

In the cul-de-sac? Yeah, at the cul-de-sac. And he just fucking beat the shit out of both of them. Killed them. That was a nice, like, inspiring tale there. Yeah. I felt good after watching that one. But a lot of these ones, there was a guy ratting on his gang.

I don't know if you heard about this one. Oh, buddy. This guy was standing on a curb when it started. Curb did become character. I'm like, bro, why is this on? I don't need to see this.

I saw one where Dana wants to fly this guy to a fight because some kid was getting curb stomped and this other dude came in and just basically held off like 40 people. Oh, yeah. Dana also had his house in Maine attacked last night. Oh, really? Damn, I didn't know that. By lobsters?

No, not a lobster. A man. Okay. This guy started kicking his door and then he saw it. Yeah, here it is. This guy. Fucking good beard and then he sees the camera. Oh, shit.

And he's out of there. $2,500. Anybody can find me this guy, says Dana White. He's got a security going off in his face, or he needs to tighten up the wires to the porch light. Yeah, right. One or the other. I have a neighbor across the lake who needs to figure that fuck out because it seems like they're always in distress. Exactly.

Okay, this thing's flashing. Figure your light out, please, Jesus Christ. Is everything okay? First time I saw it, I'm like, am I supposed to call the police? Yeah. Because this light is going on and off. Is this a sign that something's wrong?

Yeah. I think it is, right? Yeah. Normally. The Titanic didn't have any of those color fireworks or the Louis Titania would have rescued him. All right. Of course. Yep. And you're right. And hopefully they find that guy. They doak would have rescued him. Alright. Of course.

And you're right. And hopefully they find that guy. It's going to be tough. And they will. Anyways, Diana Rossini posted on X. Today is deadline day for the Colts running back Jonathan Taylor to find a trade partner. While there are interested teams, sources tell The Athletic, I'm told as of right now, the Colts have not been presented with a significant offer. There is

still time. So this contradicts Stephen Holder's report, where there were six teams interested, two teams already made deals, and seemingly already out there. Diana Rossini now, senior NFL insider for The Athletic. Congrats to her.

We did think that we were going to be able to... Yeah. You know, that was like... A thought for sure. We were pumped about it. Very. Big fans of Diana Rossini. Obviously, we've had her on the show a few times,

numerous times. She carried us through a couple months during COVID. So the Athletic got an absolute weapon there. They're saying there's no trade partner, but I don't think the significant offer thing, I mean, Mike Florio kind of alluded to it. I think they're going to be trying to get him out. Yeah.

Now, that sucks if we don't get a weapon in return or a good pick in return. There's certainly going to be cause for, this is a terrible trade. You got bamboozled. You stink. If you're just talking player for player. If you're talking about that.

But whenever you're talking about building a culture, player as an anchor, best player, a lot of people are going to follow this guy. Don't need it. Can't have it. What, are you going to pay him? Jim doesn't feel like he's going to pay him. So what's the only other option? I guess you've got to kind of let him go.

You have to. There's no way they're going to keep him. So what's the only other option? I guess you've got to kind of let him go. You have to. There's no way they're going to keep him in that position. No, they can't. Unless they pay him. If Jim doesn't get the money, I mean, don't get what he wants in return, he is not leaving there. Yeah, but Jim's like a football guy, I think. The body language, too.

The body language was so terrible. Like, that's the thing. It's like, I don't think you'd come back grew up in a locker room jim ursay like understands like what a team has to be sure understands what we have in anthony richardson too like this guy is a lightning rod like everybody follows him everybody's excited for him and then you got your best player most popular player just miserable while this entire culture is trying to take over. It's like, how long do you let that seep?

So unless there's a money answer, which I guess there could be a change of heart from Jim, I don't know if you need or want that guy while you're building a team. No way. And I understand 40s and everything like that or why and how teams win, but right now they're trying to. I don't know, bro. I think they get a running back from one of the teams they trade with.

Like, the Dolphins have two running backs that they can definitely use right now, Jeff Wilson and Mostert. And then if you go up to Chicago, you could probably get Herbert. And I even think, like, a team like Buffalo. Like, Buffalo has James Cook, but it's really just going to be his first year as the guy. They have Damian Harris as their backup. That's a one-year rental, which is basically what you're doing with Jonathan Taylor if he sticks around. So I feel like some of those other offers, once they come out,

it'll be kind of crazy to see what is being offered up to equate the first-round pick they asked. So I did say to Rappaport, rest in peace. Not because of us. Nope. Because he has a show at literally the entire length of our show. That's right. Even though I got attacked in the comments yesterday.

I got attacked again. I don't know. I have a rap on first change, obviously. I told Rap though, I said, people are interested? He said, yeah. A lot of teams are interested. Is it like Brandon Bean calling, hey, heard you don't like your running back anymore? Hallie calling from the Eagles?

Yeah. Hey, heard you? Yeah. Is that interested or like, hey, we'll sign him to a fucking $30 million deal and we'll trade a number two like Christian McCaffrey and everything like that. Those are two very different interests. I guess it's being reported that somebody's interested,

but actual interest is a different level. And journalists know that. Journalists know it's been, you know, if there's no deal that happens and there's no offer, we've been led astray by people that have been saying that they know there's some interest. And once again, I have no inside information. These motherfuckers literally won't take my call because they know this thing. But it's like I do know how I feel as a diehard Colts fan, and I don't think I'm the only one.

And joining us right now live from Anattica, in Ohio is a college football national champion. Whoa. A Super Bowl champion. What? A Ryder Cup winner. It's coming up. It is. Now, when he was there, the United States lost, probably because there's people like Victor Hovland overseas that are just absolute doves on a golf course.

This man's the father of 10 COVID survivor. Ladies and gentlemen, the president of Ohio, A.J. Hall. Ladies and gentlemen, there is obviously a very handsome man that just joined the program. A.J., a lot of moves happening on this. You're not good enough for the NFL Kid Tuesday, okay?

There's another kicker trade. Will Lutz was sent to the Broncos from the Saints, them keeping Blake Group. Now, the Patriots are trading old, solid Nick Folk to the Tennessee Titans. Obviously, Vrabes has seen what has happened wherever you miss some kicks and don't have a good kicker. Nick Folk is a guy who's going to command some respect around the league because for an incredibly long time, going way back,

he's been able to kick through elements. He's been able to make big kicks. A couple kickers on the move today, AJ. We're just getting started on this. You suck at football. Sorry about it, Tuesday. Yeah, well, the kickers on the move that were in kicking competitions, correct, in camp.

And so they were going to stick with the young guy, trade the old guy. Is that what's happening? Well, that happened yesterday, too, with the Chargers. The Chargers to the Browns. Dustin Hopkins, old guy. Cameron Dicker, younger guy. They send Dustin Hopkins to the Browns. Will Lutz to the Dustin Hopkins, old guy. Cameron Dicker, younger guy. They send Dustin Hopkins to the Browns. Will Lutz to the

Broncos, old guy. Oh, you're saying money. That's what you're saying? They try to do that with every position in football. There's somebody younger that is similar that they think, yeah, of course they'll pick him up. When are the kickers and punters going to get on a Zoom call? That's a good question.

They should do that soon. It worked for the running backs. We talked to Alvin Cook. He said, yeah, nothing really got answered, but we went in there. Good combo. The kickers and punters will be able to kind of maybe hold things together and change it all. But AJ, I started off the show with saying,

although this is a sad day for a lot of guys, this is also a great day for other people that are experiencing their lifelong dream and also a team coming together for the first time this year where it's really like, this is us. We aren't this. We are this now. It's a beautiful day as well, AJ.

And I think professional sports, being a true meritocracy, kind of brings it all together. And today's like, today have to happen. Bummer, but also awesome i'm kind of torn here on this you suck at football you can't make our team tuesday well that's that's what sucks about it is it's such a great opportunity for the people that do realize their dream and make a team like unfortunately there has to be the downside that so many people

do get cut and you some of them might never play football again like it's pretty it's pretty grim when you think about that. Today is the day that happens to a lot of people, but it's also awesome opportunities for the other guys too. Once you go back and you have that first day of practice when the full cut down has already happened, it feels like nobody's left. It feels like you have 10 players on the team when you show up to practice and realize that we don't have 90 guys out here running around.

It feels quiet. It feels quiet feels small you know because for the next week and a half two weeks even into like week two week three they're still piecing together what that roster is going to be so you can be at lunch you made the team go to a team or another meeting after lunch and you're not you never play you're not in the NFL get out see you sorry about it take a hike you were good in college great in college got to an NFL camp you should be proud of yourself unbelievable You should be proud of yourself. Unbelievable. You should be proud of yourself.

High school, you were remarkable. Growing up, you were great. You had a great football life. Well, that being said, there's like 39-year-olds that will be able to run a 4-5-1 in this. You know what I mean? So it's not cut out for everybody. But that's why the NFL is absolutely great. Have you ever been released?

No, you just got. Yes, I have. I've been released before. What happened? They just came in and said you weren't. That was the first time you ever heard you weren't good enough, right? Well, it wasn't really I wasn't good enough. I got released because I had some more shit going on.

I've never not been. I've never got released because of my play. Oh, it's for what happens. Oh, got it. Yeah. Hey, can't have you, dude. Just, you know, what's going on. You get it. Good run Hey, can't have you, dude. Yeah, sorry. You know what's going on. You get it.

Going in, you knew that was going to happen, though? Expected it? Self-aware enough? Yeah. Okay. AJ, you ever get released? Yeah, many times. What?

What's that like? Green Bay, Green Bay, Cincy, and then Atlanta. So, yeah, everywhere I went. Okay, so the first time it happened, first time in your life. Obviously, Centerville, he had like, I think he had 300 yards rushing and like 30 tackles in the same game. And then he goes to – I think he had 38 tackles in a different game too.

Two times, I think. Twice. Twice he had that. So, like, you're talking about one of the greatest high school football players ever. Then he goes to Ohio State, wins a national championship. Yeah. Number five overall pick. Whoa.

Almost Heisman. Almost a high – sixth in the Heisman voting. Gives it like a three-time first-team All-American. Becomes the all-time leading tackler for one of the oldest teams in history. And then you're literally told, like, hey, we don't want you. I don't want to visit terrible things, but that's kind of what today is. It's good. It's all part.

It's what makes everything even better. The fact that you've gone through things like that. It makes everything better, I believe. I'm glad that I was able to feel – I was glad I was able to experience two other organizations as well because I love everything about Green Bay, but I also love Cincinnati. I loved Atlanta.

I really did. Okay, so that was a little bit of the silver lining. It's like, all right, I get to see what happens in other places. Yeah. But that moment of being – that's the first time you've ever been told your football is not good enough for you, right? No, it's definitely not.

I mean, I haven't been cut before, I guess, but I've definitely been told your football is not good enough for you right no that's definitely not i mean i haven't been cut before i guess but i've definitely been benched been taken out and said yeah it's not good enough so it wasn't my first time but i also was always realistic from the day i was drafted i you know like hey i felt like i was getting cut or i could fall down the stairs and break my leg i'd be done for life like i was always new like hey it's there's a thin line like it's not like this thing is fragile you got to take care of it. You've got to figure it out. You're a hilarious human being. That is probably how he acted. That's why he wanted to sign his

contract after working out. You know what I mean? My contract wasn't done until my workout group was done. So then they said, okay, you can come sign. What is it? A sign X? A sign X? Is this my deal? I'm going to get back and do the tries.

You're just a second barbarian. Ain't he? Oh, yeah. They got benched against the Eagles. Yeah, because he wasn't fast enough for Michael Vick. Yeah, that's right. He was pretty fast. Yeah, very.

I agree. Nobody was fast enough for him. You certainly were. Not on that roster. Get him out of here. It's a bad day. Not a cool day. And a lot of friends and family, too,

who have talked about somebody being incredible. You know, like, my boy. Yeah. Or the kid I coached. My nephew. He's boom, boom, boom. And then all of a sudden it's like, those people, I don't want to say don't reach out anymore,

but there is a lot of people that are all of a sudden not in your life anymore because football isn't your main identity, and being great at football is your main identity. So I understand that there's a lot of sadness that comes today, but it has to happen for the NFL to remain great. It's an evil necessity, and if you're a GM,

those conversations have to suck. Every one of them. It would be really tough thinking like, oh, this is coming. This day is coming. But the good thing, though, for people that do get released, there's more options to play now with the Rock and the XFL and the USFL. There's other places you can go play.

He was always number 54. Do you think it's easier for like – What, AJ? What do you mean he was the 54th guy on the roster? Yeah. Always. He's on the practice squad. So he's making the practice squad.

Here we go. No, but that wasn't what they did with Dwayne. Rock ain't a practice squad guy. Yeah. He was 54. Persona was too big to be. He said you're good, just not good enough. You're number 54 on this 53-man roster team.

So he wanted to look. That's why he bought the XFL. This is a true story. I don't know why we're acting like this is not the case. Kept feeding people the people's elbow. Basically, the entire team said, hey, you can't make it in your league. I'll go create 15 yards every time. He bought his own

league for everybody like him. And you are, I don't know what the official rulebook is. I know the XFL created the kickoff practice rule. You know what I mean? The kickoff drill rule. But I do think you are allowed to people's elbow people in the XFL. Kind of a perk of entering the league. Yeah, I had a good point.

This could be you guys. You could cut today. But it's hard for the players too, I would say, because you'd be in a relationship with a lot of these guys in the locker room over these, what, we've been together since April 13th, and we're here today at September, I mean, whatever it is, August 28th or 29th. Oh, you got there.

That was incredible. I was excited to hear what the dates were that was going to come out of your mouth right there. That's a long time that you've built this time with these guys working from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. every day. So, like, it's hard for some of the players because you'd be like, oh, man, I wish he didn't get released. Or then you have some guys that you think should have made it that didn't get a chance to make it just because of the number game.

Or some guys that made it that you don't think should have made it. That lived in my world a lot with special teams. Joining us now is one of the greatest special teams guys of all time. Hell yeah. How many days away from NFL football are we? Nine days. To celebrate nine, it's our favorite nine, my favorite nine. A future Hall of Famer.

I don't know how he isn't in already. I guess it probably hasn't been five years. A dude that just made the Pro Bowl 45 times straight. You tell me if that's good. Got drafted incredibly high. Absolute dog. Texas boy. You know him from the Raiders and the Texans.

Ladies and gentlemen, Shane Leckler. Yeah! You look sweet. What's up, Pat? You look sweet. You look fucking sweet right now. You look sweet. What's up, Pat? You look sweet. You look fucking sweet right now. You know that? I got my golf attire on, but it's too hot to play golf, man.

This is ridiculous down here right now. Oh, so it's business cash. Where are you at? What part of Texas? Up in Austin. Oh, nice. Texas is real. It's 107 here, I think, next week in Indy.

I couldn't even imagine what it is in Texas. You look the part. I don't know how what it is in Texas. You look the part. I don't know how the golf game is. I assume you're great. Nine days away from NFL football. That's why. Why were you number nine? Shane, do you know?

Obviously you know. Yeah. Whenever I got drafted by the Raiders, I was number six in college. And six was taken. So I was like, hey, let's just flip it upside down okay that's what happened you punted for 18 years in the nfl and i don't know if i've ever asked you this straight up it was always like folklore you didn't punt a single ball any off season is that accurate 100 accurate i did I didn't understand why if you were in training camp for 35 days

or however long we were in it back then, and back then it was two days so you could kick twice a day. If I couldn't figure it out in 30 days, I was probably in the wrong deal. I mean, I fished, I hunted, I did everything. You can ask the equipment guys in oakland janikowski my kicking shoes never came to texas after the last game of the year i left i didn't go back until training camp early in my career i had to come to the mandatory mini camp but that was really just to kind of be around mr davis was always cool about that he was like i don't really need you here but

i need to see you so i'd come in and then i would leave and then i would come back for the day before training camp started and go oh shit am i gonna figure this out today or tomorrow next week as long as it's before the second preseason game i was i felt like i was all right yeah and then you just go on to be a nine time all pro uh with the highest career average in the history of punting or whatever. You're a fucking dog, dude. Not everybody can do that, obviously. You know that. Go ahead, AJ. Shane, I don't know how much college football you watch,

but if you watch the punt game, a lot of them are doing this rugby punt kind of roll out left or right and bomb little wobblers down there for them. What do you think of that? And do you think that's ever going to come to the NFL? Obviously, with releasing it won't with the rules. I think with the way we play the game in the NFL, I don't think it really can. In college, everybody can take off when the ball snaps. So they don't really have to respect their blocking and all that stuff.

And here, I mean, if you take off running and run to the side, you're going to eat that ball probably at least once a game and pat knows as well as i do that's not okay i mean we can't we can't afford a black punt can't afford a tips punt can't afford that anxious moment of oh shit i just changed one right out of bounds now pat did pat ran around a little bit but he stayed inside inside of his wings yeah and that was okay he kind of tried to change that and hit that stupid little ball down there in the corner or walk one way and duck hook one back the other.

I loved playing against Pat because I could tell all the time he was like, oh, I'm going to one-up you. I'm going to one-up you. I'm like, you're going to dead pull one, dead hook one, sum this game. Well, I enjoyed watching you. Obviously, I learned from watching.

You and I had similar styles we're going to swing as hard as we possibly can now you did a lot better than i did but i do appreciate that you noticed that that was my style as well always had beers okay always had good conversation you're a fucking legend i want to let you know i'm here like your biggest fan when are you going into the hall of fame why hasn't that happened yet i don't know man um it is what it is i mean ray had to wait forever and uh you know this is just my second year to be eligible and i'm on the i'm on the list with the great pat mcafee i saw i do here we go did you see my reaction whenever i was told i don't know if you saw it it happened live uh nominated no dude

thank god you didn't see it but literally i said uh shane leckler should be going in long before me get my name out there but if i'm nominated for the hall of fame one time i'm saying that for the rest of my life yeah i was nominated so i don't know what to tell you let's let's go to a conversation you and i had before a game one time you said hey have you played number 10 in kansas city yet you were talking about tyreek hill you said you oh god yeah you said you get the snap you turn directly to your sideline and you punt the ball into the fucking stance you don't even let that guy touch the ball as your exec why is he different and is there any guys you see now

uh that can maybe become a tyreek hill i mean there's gonna be guys out there but he has been so special i mean he was the kind of the next guy from i mean there's three of, there's going to be guys out there, but he has been so special. I mean, he was kind of the next guy from – I mean, there's three of them. There's Dante Hall, Devin Hester, and Tyreek Hill. I don't know what else you want. That is such a small list of very threatening guys. You forgot one. And I don't know when the next one's going to come around. You forgot one.

But I remember punting for Tyreek one time. You know how, like, we start getting that rush off the end, and the guy gets behind us on the block. Or tries to block it and goes behind us. By the time you look to find out where he is so you don't get earholed, and then you look up, Tyreek is nowhere in sight of where your ball was actually landed. He's already 35 yards away from there.

Now you got to find him. And he's small and fast as shit. You know that, man. It's like, come on, guys. Come on, guys. I don't want to be in open field find him. And he's small and fast as shit. You know that, man. It's like, come on, guys. Come on, guys. I don't want to be in open field with him. Yeah, well, I think the way you hit balls also, just moon... I assume he was a little bit intimidated, but I probably

saw a lot of green pastures that thought of it as well. The guy that was talking in the middle of that, Pac-Man Jones, he says he got a touchdown on you. He says he has one on you. Pac-Man. Pat, you better look up. I gotta see video on this. He says he has one on you. Pac-Man. Pat, you better look up. I gotta see video on this. Oh, shit.

Gotta see video. I think it was when we played y'all. Same night I got the touchdown caught on me, I think. Who was I with? Houston or Oakland? Houston. Oh, I don't remember those days.

I'm gonna look it up. You didn't give up a bunch or you did? No, I didn't give up a bunch. I know I gave up one in Jacksonville. Whenever we set the net punting record that year, I gave up a punt return for a touchdown like 90 to somebody down there. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. i gave up two in a row and we still set the record we would have shattered it by a long ways and what were you you were a quarterback right originally and then you

like kind of fell into punting how'd you get into punting yeah i went to college as a quarterback yes and uh then you know i punted also in high school and kicked. And then I went to college as a quarterback. And I remember them just being so happy with Sean Terry, who was the punter there. I'm like, all right, if you guys are happy with that, I can do that. And so it just kind of took off. And I really didn't even pay attention to it until really going into my junior year. I was like, all right, let me see what these NFL guys are doing. And I remember I would sit on the couch with Dan Campbell and

we'd sit there and I'd clock some guys like, man, I can do this. MCDC? You're talking about Motor City Dan Campbell? That was my college roommate, bro. Okay. Did you know he was going to be an incredible head coach? This guy's fucking awesome. I did. I knew he was going to be incredible from the day

I met him. And we moved in. We lived together for two, two and a half years. And the year we won, let's see, the Big 12 championship in 98, he kind of took over as a big-time leader for our team. He was a senior. And I knew from then on if he ever got his shot, he was going to make it. Because, first of all, I don't know how Miami let him out of there after he became the interim

and turned that thing into at least respectable for the last five, six games of the year while he was there. Then he went back to New Orleans, and now he's in Detroit. And I tell you, I'll be watching the Raiders and Detroit Lions this year. Dude, I think everybody's a fan of MCDC at this point. Just from the first opening press conference, taking it on the shins from everybody. Oh, look at this doofus.

Another big, dumb, white guy gets a head coaching job. He says he's going to gnaw kneecap this guy? Okay. This guy's a better coach than blah, blah, blah. And now the NFL believes in him too, Shane. They got him opening night with the Chiefs. That's a big crowd that is going to see the brand new

Lions. I love that. Go ahead, AJ. Bringing up Dan Campbell, I have so many questions, but what was he like as a player? When you got to watch him up close and personal, practice and games, was he, I assume it's a version of what we see him at the podium and talking to his teammates.

I'm guessing he was very intense. Yes, that's him from his off-season workouts to the way he played the game to the way he prepared for the game not so much the way he took care of himself after games but like getting back into that monday routine he was steady steady steady and uh one of the greatest guys men stands for all the right things. I, I have nothing but great things to say about that guy. I promise. I cannot say that.

I know anyone that was on that 98 team or even 97, 96. And we were all there together that did not respect him, his work ethic and what he stood for. 1996. I was nine years old. You old fuck. But the,

Hey, he wouldn't be able to fit in that shirt. He is, huh? He's yoked. He is. He is. Are you working out a lot? Do you do anything? What do you do? I walked this morning. Does that count? You look good.

You look good, I think, personally. I mean, I thought about when you said, oh, you're going to start your keto stuff. Football season started. I tried it through breakfast and I got off of it. Breakfast is the best part of it. I mean, I thought about when you said, oh, you're going to start your keto stuff. Football season started. I tried it through breakfast, and I got off of it. Breakfast is the best part of it. I mean, eggs, a little baking. But now I'm going to go get a sandwich or something, and then it's over. Connor has a question for you about that.

Yeah, Shane, speaking of kind of food and nutrition, what was it like for you? Because you played 18 years in the NFL. Obviously, Pat has told stories before where you know maybe pre-2009-2010 they didn't really take it serious and then after that fact you know it became a pretty big point of teams to kind of uniquely create their you know meals for each player and then with that being said was it even harder for you being a vegan person from texas to kind of be able to have the same food as everyone else i see that stuff really didn't come into play

until i was already in houston and uh granted i already been with the raiders for 13 years i mean as long as i made weight on wednesday whatever and that's the only thing that mattered and uh you know you had big guys on our team our scale in the where we weighed in it was right by the locker room and it was an electric electric one a little box on the wall just just in the sheet rock so we had guys that would always fail their their way in i'll get to the nutrition part of second but this is a funny story yes so i had guys like barrett barrett robbins mo collins lincoln kennedy you remember the raider offense line back then they were like 400 pounds everyone so instead of not passing the way in they would just rip the scale off the wall and buy a new one it was way cheaper

for them to just buy a new scale instead of having to sit their way in and pay the fine every week so can't be overweight if they can't weigh you yeah right what are we talking about people are talking about putting their thumb on the thing okay people are talking about distracting the thing let's just fucking break this how many they got that is awesome that's the most raiders thing i have heard in so long jesus that's brilliant yeah so then i got to houston and we had this nutritionist and they met with each other and i was like how long have you been doing this nutrition stuff and he was like three years i said well i've been putting in the national football league for 13 i'm doing fine

don't tell me which line to get in which recovery shake to get in or to eat how to treat myself because this is what i'm gonna do i'm gonna come in i'm gonna kick and i'm gonna work out when he asked me to work out okay i'm probably gonna have a burger and four to six beers after practice and i'm done and once the ball stops flying, cut me. Okay? Until then, we got nothing. Speaking of, this question is kind of like a pretty topical question with the cut day happening right now.

Obviously, you're on two different teams. And I think as a guy who's going to be in the Hall of Fame, in my eyes, greatest of all time, whenever you're talking about bombing pigskins, was there any moments where somebody told you you weren't good enough? and how do you feel about the cut day today as a overall thought as a special teamer because i kept my eyes on who we're keeping like i was very very interested in who was going to be my guys at the bottom of the roster what is your thoughts on cut day and were you ever cut i guess um yeah you know like cut cut day was always just i i tried to stay out of the locker room just because i respected the guys that were getting

released i didn't want to be there and they're like oh yeah he's looking at me and this and that yeah i'm packing a box or shit most places they just give you a giant trash bag and they put it in your locker and you just fill it up and walk out like santa claus with it hanging over your shoulder you know and it's not i think it's a terrible thing um and and i i was on a little bit hearing you guys talk um and it was always like dang i can't believe he got cut or dang i can't believe he made it but how about that guy that got cut you didn't even know until about the next weekend. You're like, hey, where is he? And you're like, shit, they cut him.

I didn't even know. I hung out with him. That's a funny thing. Where's 32? He was flying around. Going into my last preseason game with the Raiders, I was getting a bad vibe. I was having a good camp but they were keeping the young kid I knew they were I was having a good camp and I

was like in the middle of like contemplating do I retire that's whenever I think it was hell you got all the phone calls to Pat was it what Minnesota was needing somebody bad at the moment so it was like oh man I'm already home finally let me just am i gonna retire what am i gonna do well i called bill o'brien i said bill i need you to come to my hotel room we need we need to talk about this he's already i'm halfway on my way home i said i well i'll see you at the hotel room in just a minute right you're gonna come back and he came in there and we talked and he was like shane we love you but we are going to go with the young

guy said it doesn't matter what i do tomorrow he goes no it really it really doesn't well i go out there and the young guy shanks two balls like directly out of bounds and i go 55 64 51 or something like that yeah and my last ball i hit was like 55 and i was like you know what i think i got as i'm leaving the sideline i forgot who i told i was like 55, and I was like, you know what? I think I got a little. As I'm leaving the sideline, I forgot who I told. I was like, I was going to retire after this year, but if this is my last ball, I'm going to try to hit the best ball I can. And it was okay.

It was like 54. All the numbers where they wanted it, but I really wanted to nuke one because I was backed up. I want to hit one like the old school Raider days where it just goes in the end zone and who cares about touchbacks. Marquette was the young guy? Yes, I was released. Is that Marquette?

Trevor from Tennessee. Trevor whatever. He only lasted four games. Then they cut him right after four games. They released him. Yeah, it sounds like you weren't bitter at all. Yeah, it sounds like you weren't. They brought a guy in.

Something happened to my leg. Yeah, yeah. still wish – yeah. That's why we're doing this now. Hell, yeah. I appreciate you. That was at Houston that happened. Yeah, yeah. With the Raiders, they didn't – that wasn't really bittersweet.

The Raiders, you know how when you're at the Pro Bowl, you were at one place the whole time. So the Texans come coach me in the Pro Bowl, and I'm like, hey, Rick, listen, man. I would love to come home any chance I get. My contract was up. I just signed the big one. I finished that whole contract out with the Raiders. Al Davis had passed away.

So I was like, man, I loved playing for Al. And I probably would have been back if Al was still there. But I had the opportunity to go home and keep my kids in the same school all year, not just be in Oakland during the fall and then in the spring be in Houston and flip-flopping them back and forth the whole time. So I had a chance to come home. And, you know, the year before I got there, they were like 12 and 4. And then we were 4 and 12 when i got there well that's because

you know welcome to our house you know i mean the colts we just we just do everything you know i'll never forget the little stupid little kickoff you recovered right there in front of us i'm like right in your face dude that was right hey that was right in your fucking face that was awesome that was so much fun that was so much fun that place is so much fun. That place is loud, dude. Houston, I don't think their fans get enough credit for how loud it is down there. That place against us, it felt like it was loud every single time. Boy, it got quiet quick. That was awesome. I mean, that was an absolute blast.

What a team. What a time. What a day. What a life. Now, Ty has a question for you about the two, Houston and Oakland. Yeah, Shane, just curious. I always thought it was weird. I mean, like, obviously, you know, when you do it enough,

it probably doesn't make as big of a deal. But, like, was it ever difficult punting on that fucking baseball field when you were in Oakland? Like, did you ever have any weird run-ins with, like, the dirt and all that kind of shit? And, obviously, you were good for so long. Do you feel like you got better when you actually got to houston and like it was a more controlled and easier environment to punt in

i i feel like i got the the areas that would really screw with you is if your plant foot was going to land land on the scene so like if you you know like all of us that have done it for so long pat myself a bunch of guys you know where your plant foot's going to be. And so you either cheat it a yard, usually cheat it up and just get it off quicker. You wouldn't ever want to take a yard off your average by backing up the yard. Bingo. Always moving up. Yeah, always up.

Stealing. Yeah, you know, always, always shoot up when in doubt and just get it off quicker. So that part kind of bugged me. I don't think it didn't bother me as much as it did the kickers. Now, where it did bother me, and Pat, I think, Pat, you held out there before, right, in Oakland on the dirt? Yes. The ball spins fast.

Like you say, if you don't catch laces right and you spin it, the ball's like hauling ass like a top in your hand. You're like, shit, where'd the laces go? And then you get them back, and you got Janikowski yelling at you like a gorilla on his way to kick. Oh! Dude, stop.

I'll get it there. He's like, oh! Come on, man. Tone actually has a question about exactly that. Yeah, I mean, speaking of Seabass, you guys together were just one of the most dynamic duos as far as kicking was ever concerned. You think you guys together were just one of the most dynamic duos as far as kicking was ever concerned. You think you guys are at the top of the list as far as kicking tandem

that can drink? In the last part, 100%. We win. Hands down. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. Are you saying Vinny could go? Vinny can. I don't know if he's going, yeah, probably. Are you saying Vinny could go? Vinny can.

I don't know if he's going as much as Seabass, though. And Shane is like a professional. He's drinking six beers after practice. Yeah, yeah, you're definitely going to. Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean, I know Pat and I probably could hang out pretty evenly. There's not many people in this world that can run with Seabass. He's awesome, huh? Still?

Oh, my gosh. He's a beauty. One of my favorite teammates ever. I mean, he just didn't get... He was great, and he didn't give a shit what anybody thought about him. And I could respect that so much. Because, you know, us, we're like, oh, God, look who's...

That coach is pissed off at me's that coach is pissed off at me this coach is pissed off me he didn't care he told me we had moments where there was a special teams coach in oakland that he did not like and i didn't like him either we there was there was not a lot of respect there me and him we kind of miscarried in naples one night and we kind of got caught he said he wouldn't tell anybody. Next thing you know, he told them right away. And so we go out and we hear about it before the field goal session and practice.

And so we're in team field goal. And Seabass like points to the left and I hold the ball and he misses about a foot outside the left upright. He backs up, kicks again. He points to his right, misses about a foot outside the left upright. He backs up, kicks again. He points to his right. Misses about a foot outside the right. He missed by a foot on each side that he pointed at every time and did not make one on purpose

just to piss off everybody after that. Love that. Hey, Rat, this is what you're dealing with here. Let me just go ahead and tell you exactly where I'm putting this. You keep your mouth shut. If we're late at Napa, sue us. I'm Janikowski. That's Shane Leck. You put us in wine country.

What do you want from us? What a place to do training camp. I couldn't imagine. It was unbelievable. I mean, I'm not a big wine drinker, but there was plenty of it and it was offered to us all the time and great golf courses to go play in between practices or after

practice. It it was fun man pac-man's got one for you shane shane i see how you hold that raiders hat up um how was your relationship with al davis and um how did you like playing for him i loved al i i really did uh we hit it off pretty early uh he's an intimidating person for sure when you when you first meet him but when you get to know him and how much he cares about the nfl and uh the direction it's going and he always did vote against a lot of stuff that the league was trying to pass but i respected him so much he was actually a player's owner and if you can watch through all of our drafts you can tell that because i think i

went through while al was alive i went through seven or eight head coaches in 13 years and he kind of ran the draft so if if you uh if you were drafted by him you were gonna get a shot and he's gonna figure out that maybe that coach just can't coach you we'll get another coach i coach you but we're gonna give you you know a shot that's just how he rolled. But when Al passed away, man, you know, and they got the lighting of the torch that was in the Coliseum in Oakland, and now they brought it over to – or they have another one in Vegas. And just his – the way he rolled out there on the sideline in his white jumpsuit, pinky ring,

a gold chain hanging from his glasses that went around his neck, you know. And I was like i love that man yeah and you it's funny to hear you say like he was a player owner like it's not your fault you guys stink it's got to be this fucking guy yeah i'm gonna get him out of here for you we're gonna bring in the next answer for you and then another one not i'm sorry boys i'm gonna get it you guys are too good at football to suck this has to be over here i don't know how often that's gonna happen ever again. One of one.

Everybody that talks about him speaks of him the exact same way. And everybody says, you should have met him. You would have loved him. Just like you. I love you, pal. I appreciate you taking time. Enjoy your life out there, pal. Will do, Pat.

Let's get together soon. Sorry I missed you when I was in Indy. The girls had a softball tournament, and the schedule just didn't work out. I'll Let's get together soon. Sorry I missed you when I was in Indy. The girls had a softball tournament and the schedule just didn't work out. I'll catch up with you soon. Good luck on game day, too, this year. Hey, thank you. What'd you say? Hey, I got like 45 people going to show up at your

fucking work tomorrow morning, 8 a.m. You texted me at like 11 a.m. I know, but then the game got rescheduled because of that rain we had and then it all just blew up and didn't make it a couple beers yeah things are gonna happen it's it's what yeah yeah there it is old dog same tricks you're the man ladies and gentlemen future hall of famer shane leckler he was so good dude yeah he just murdered footballs so al davis would draft every guy that ran a 4-2.

So those guys not that good at football sometimes, just put them on special teams. And their offense wasn't great all the time, so he had a full field. So he would just murder these balls. And then everybody with 4-2s would just, shoom, shoom, shoom, shoom, shoom, down the field. It was an electrifying play to watch. You had one of them. What's that?

You got one of them. DHB that? You got one of them. Darius Averbeck. DHB, baby. He wasn't on special teams at the Raiders. No, no, no. No. But. Certainly did say, hey, let's maybe benefit from the way the Davises draft over here in Indianapolis.

See this guy's the fastest guy. That's why they drafted him. He's no longer there. Is there any way you would play Gunnar? Anything for the team? Really? You were like number six overall pick. You were really anything for the team. I'm like,

I love you, DHB. Hey, Tom McMahon, this fucking guy who runs a 4-2 said he wants to play Gunner. Can we put him out there? Can't put him out there, but he's drafted too high. No way. I'm like, can we yet? You want me to go over your head right now? Or what do we do? He just said he would. And then Tom McMahon pitches it, and then all of a sudden we have

DHB out there, and it's like, holy fuck, we got a 4-2 guy. This is a whole different ballgame. They get easy on you. This is a lot of fun. I'm going to put it on that half of the field. You just run your fucking ass off. We'll just get fair catches the entire time. Then we play Pac-Man Jones. And, you know, Pac-Man does a fair catch. Also, Shane

says that ain't true, that you took one back on him. I'm going to find it. Tool. Pretty crazy. I don't know if I remember who took him back on him. I'm going to find it. Tool. Pretty crazy. I don't know if I remember who took them back on me. That's a memory you just get rid of. Yeah, you try not to think about. Yeah, there's only one I can think of. Edelman took one.

Amendola got me, too. It's not on the punter, though. It's not like it's yours. It's not like Shane's. It depends on if he put no help under it. Still, someone should trip him up. Someone's got to trip him up eventually. You would hope that somebody would help you.

You know, like that's kind of what sports are. Like one person lifting up. Team sports. Yeah, team. Lifting up another person. One person doesn't do great. Hey, your teammate got your back. You know, and if that doesn't happen,

it's a complete collapse. That's why it's hard to blame one person for anything, basically, in team sports. But people certainly do. You would hope somebody would trip somebody up. But if I hit a shit, you know, like, for anything, basically, in team sports, but people certainly do. You would hope somebody would trip somebody up, but if I hit a shit, you know, like, for instance, in the Super Bowl, that ball was not supposed to go the direction it went. That ball had no hang time.

So all the people that could help you are out of position already, and you're kind of sitting on it. And then old cuzzy Tony takes it all the way back to like the 20. And then Patrick Mahomes scores the game winner. It's like that type of stuff can really change a game. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. He was in Oakland.

Get your ass up. So close. Hey, that might have been the year where him and Seabass were having a tough time staying out of the wineries. Yep. Who was that coach? Pew, pew. The special teams coach? Yeah. I'm sure we can figure it out.

He had 10 different special teams coaches, didn't he? I also just found a pack. You did fair catch a ball. The article says Adam Jones' non-fair catch streak ends after 73 games, 8 seasons, and 96 points. To who? 73 games, bro.

I must have got smacked that play before that. Who got you? They need to put that ball on the wall. That's a mantle. Eagles. Sorry, that's when it began. Was that Savroka?

He was like 6'5", 6'6". 260 pounds. Hands the size of this fucking football. That was my first preseason game. First preseason game. I just got drafted. I go in and shake his fucking hand. It's just, what is this?

Engulfs you. It's the Michael Jordan of Aussie rules football. I'm like, well, I'm fucking a dumbass that doesn't know how to punt. I think I'm in the wrong league. You going to help me? I don't know if I'm the right guy. It looks like this punter went into the game, Michael Keenan or something like that,

and he said he was just going to hit as high as he can. None of them went more than 42 yards, just hit him as high as he could. I mean, we all could have done that, I guess. Yeah. He's trying to break the streak. Must have been a bad team. Yeah, it must have been a bad team

if this guy's just breaking the streak. Why didn't you ask that question to Shane? Hey, why didn't you just point it out of bounds every time? I was legit going to. I was going to ask him. Because when I pointed to you there, I thought you did a cool, casual. Oh, no, I wasn't saying. No, I was curious about that.

And when he was mentioning the Raiders roster when he first got there, those are some legendary characters that played football. Barrett Robbins was the guy that went AWOL the night before the Super Bowl. Bro. Oh, yeah. Broke the scale. Are we all heavy? That's awesome.

Yeah, we're all heavy. All right. This thing's got to go then. What? That's amazing. You're destroyed. What are they going to sue us? $5,000?

Cool. How much are you over? How much are you over? How much are you over? That's $55,000. Yeah. So just simple math here,000. Just simple math here, boys.

I love that. I am so incredibly embarrassed for the AQ Shipley's of the world who did not think of this. AQ Shipley's drinking that colonic juice that makes you poop the night before these weigh-ins

so he can lose 12 pounds or whatever and get on that scale like he's a UFC fighter and then get off his scale. Thank you. And then just right back until next Thursday. Hey, Q, why didn't you just break the scale? Kind of embarrassing for him. That is embarrassing. Well, I mean, guys, this is kind of my break.

He's the dumbest person we know. Can we FaceTime him, please? How are we going to expect this from you? I'm kind of embarrassed for him, honestly. I saw guys used to load up the scale, distract the coach, load the scale up, and zero it again. So, hey, we got an extra four and a half pounds or whatever. Not too much.

Not too much. Not too much. Too much. That was like the coach doesn't know, too. They think the coach doesn't know. What's the biggest fine you've seen for that? I don't remember. There was a guy.

This guy. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a man who did not think of just breaking the scale. Instead, he just chugged colonic juice the night before. Ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley. Hey. How are you? AQ, it looks like you got good service. We appreciate you for that.

Going into the shipyard, respect. Let's get this work in. You looks like you got good service. We appreciate you for that. Going into the shipyard. Respect. Let's get this work in. You look great. You look good. We're live. Can you hear us? What's his problem? Can you hear me?

You're on the show right now. Yes. Yes, we are. Hey, good to see you, dude. Good to see you. Thank you. Can't hear you. You can't hear me.

I want to see him kick the bag again. Can't hear you. Can't hear me at all. This guy. Can you hear me? All you. You can't hear me. I want to see him kick the bag again. Can't hear you. Can't hear me at all. This guy's... Can you hear me? All right. Let's call him back. What did I say?

I told you he's a dipshit. He wouldn't be able to figure that out. Let's call him back. Call him back. I tried to tell you guys, him and Mitt are playing Words of Friends during the day. Who do you think is winning? Who is winning that?

I think... Because remember what? Mitt got a 3,200 or something like that. What is that? Yeah, I think like a 33 on his ACT. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

is the man who did not get a 33 on the ACT, AQ Shipley. AQ. Can you hear us, AQ? Yes, sir. Hey,

good to see you. You look incredibly fit. You look like you got a good jawline. Your head looks smaller. The body, you look really good. Wow. We're back.

We're getting back. Now, you're super disciplined with your fitness and your eating routine right now. You told me about it the other day. Sounds impossible, but I'm happy it's working for you. A lot of prep. A lot of time. It's paying off. You're in fight camp all the time.

There was a time in our lives where that was not the case. You see everything. And then you would also drink everything. And then all of a sudden, we'd have a weigh-in on Thursday. Shane Leckler just broke down a story about how back in the good old days of the Oakland Raiders, the offensive linemen would just break the scale and just take it out and say, that is going to cost less to fix than the fine we would all get.

I'm embarrassed that you never thought of that. That is something you should have thought of. That's a genius move. Genius. That's a genius move. I was a lot more fun when I ate and drank everything too. God,

I'm miserable right now. Are you really? You training for an Ironman or what? I think my wife hates me right now. She tells me I'm lame. She tells... What was that? That was Tony.

That was Tony. That was Tony. That was Tony. That was Tony. You know. Tony's pointing out How your wife Yeah

Obviously she hates you It's not new Yeah That's not new You're right This is marriage That's how this goes I think

That's how it goes But with that being said You're not even having wine Or anything Whiskey Vodka Went to Coronado

The whole month of July Had three drinks The whole month Jesus What's going on What are you training for What's your problem Okay Coronado the whole month of July. I had three drinks the whole month. Jesus. What's going on? What are you training for? What's your problem? Congratulations, actually. Wait, wait, wait. We're supposed to...

Congratulations! We're proud of you, right? That's what we're supposed to do. It got to the point where I started looking at myself and I lost a bunch of weight whenever I got hurt in 20. And then I started looking at some pictures and i got back to damn near my playing weight i was like i was close i was like up to back up to 290 i'm like what am i doing what am

i doing why do i need this weight let's do this thing let's get this thing off so i was 247 this morning god wow congratulations and booze can't do any booze that's the thing can't do any booze I was 247 this morning congratulations can't do any booze it slows down I'm doing it once a week and when I do do it it's just tequila, tequila, soda, lime so it's cleanest that you're putting in your body is that taramana?

no I don't really know whenever I go out to dinner give me tequila, soda, water, I'm done is know. Whenever I go out to dinner, give me tequila soda water. I'm done. Is this your life now, AQ? Is this a lifestyle now? Is this what you're doing?

I hope so. I hope so. That's a no. It's hard to sustain, doesn't it? We just heard a no. We just heard a no there. Can you balance it out a little bit? You heard it.

The goal is to get to 225. I'm running a half marathon in January. There it is. Wow. AJ, good question. Yes, AJ asked if you're like doing the world or the, what's that called? The super one? Ironman.

You're doing a half marathon where at? Arizona? Close. I'm doing a half marathon in Tempe, Arizona in January, and I'm pumped. I'm fired up. Are you going to wear hokas out there? And what are you just keeping your knees moving? Is this what we're doing?

We're just doing this for the whole thing? I'm just trying to finish, man. I just want to keep moving and finish hopefully like 10-minute miles. I don't care. I just want to – yeah, 130 minutes. That's the goal. Are you in fight camp right now still? Yeah, I boxed this morning.

How do we do? Do we fucking lay Jay Glazer out? It's fine. One time for all. Careful. Hey, this is it, Jerry. He's got a bad back now. I got a mean left hook.

I got a mean left hook these days. Glazer don't come anymore. He moved to L.A. He went big time. He's with the Tennyson twins. Tenn got a mean left hook. I got a mean left hook these days. Glazer don't come anymore. You know, he moved to L.A. He went big time. He's with the Tennyson twins. Tennyson twins, yep. Oh, yeah. I've been following along.

He's engaged. He's loving life. What's that mean? It's in the blue. That's his fiance, I believe. Oh, but it's twins? She's got a twin sister. Twins, Basil.

Twins? Hashtag Tennyson twins. Check it out. It's on Jay's. What do you mean you're checking it out? You don't follow Jay Glazer you think I can see everyone's Instagram and Twitter Jay Glazer needs to be in your algo

you're right I'm doing a disservice to Jay Jay Glazer Gary V need him in the algo I'm talking to my phone right now Jay Glazer Gary V got it for the next two years because I just said that two times.

That's what you need to do as well. Do you find it ironic, though, that once Jay Glazer leaves your guys' fight camp, he's happier than he's ever been? Have you thought about potentially leaving your fight camp for a better life? It sounds like the right decision. I'm miserable right now, I'm going to be honest. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because I'm not with you guys.

I'm back in a couple weeks, though, boys. I can't wait. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Hell yeah. You keep that fucking attitude in the desert. You keep that thing in the desert. What's that, AJ? I don't know if this life sounds sustainable, but you look great. We all assume you're going to quit this.

We want you happy. Happy and thin. Hey, half marathons. Do more quit this. Yeah, happy and thin. That's right. Happy and thin. Hey, half marathons, do more of them. Triathlons, maybe. Sign up for all these things that really make you happy. I saw Phil do it. That intrigued me. Triathlon might be next.

So I don't think CFO Phil did any swimming before that. He didn't swim at all. And then just went out and did three quarters of a mile of swimming. Yeah, he finished it though i think his only thing was like just get back to land so he wasn't in the i i wasn't there obviously but i think his plan going in was i'm gonna stay back i'm gonna get out of the sure i just i'm just gonna try to finish you make it you know what i mean how about biking you doing a peloton in there keep you you thin? Yeah, I'm doing some biking outside too.

I got a road bike. You with Erlacher out there? No, but is that what he does? I should pick up on him. Like 6,000 miles a year or something like that. He goes right down to the border, shuts it, and then rides right back home. Yep.

More than that. Alright, let's talk about something offensively related. What up, Hair Lacquer, baby? Hi, baby. And Chris. Absolutely. That was the Border Patrol admiral that was with us. 50 to 100 confirmed kills.

He played no fucking games down there at Radio Row. I had no idea what we signed up for. No. I'm glad we did, though. For sure. We learned a lot right there. Almost had to send Gumpy to Mexico and have Chris... Yeah, Erlacher had ideas.

I got ideas. He wasn't joking either. He was dead set on it. Just needed a name tag. That's all we needed. Hey, we beat the immigration, by the way. Yes, we did. Suck it, immigration. We did some politicking. Speaking of politicking, I want to ask you about something that happened to a player that you know very, very well. Obviously, this news came out of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers organization that we didn't necessarily enjoy

because we got a chance to meet this guy a couple times. And you're talking about a football guy through and through. Ryan Jensen, out for the year with an injury that he sustained early last year, probably done forever with his entire thing. Then a story comes out, he went to Antigua to get stem cells for his knee, and then it was also reported that he didn't get surgery for his knee because he wanted to get back in time for the playoffs last year, so he didn't want to do a fully invasive surgery for his knee

because he knew that he wouldn't be able to make it back. Seems like a lot's going on. Seems like his career's probably done, which is a bummer. The NFL is going to miss guys like Jensen and him whenever he's gone. I guess he is gone. What are your thoughts on this? How did we get here? And what did the Bucs' offensive line look without Jensen's attitude?

Yeah, it was tough news. I mean, obviously, like, I kind of was catching pieces of it prior to the whole thing breaking, and I was like, you know, we talked about this last year when the whole thing happened. He decided not to get surgery. I mean, I think nine times out of ten when you decide not to get surgery, like, the outcome isn't ever as clean as you think it's going to be. Now, will that surgery, if he would have had it, would that have helped?

Who knows? I mean, we can play here, stay all we want. But at the end of the day, he decided not to do it. It ended up not responding the way that he did. Apparently, every time he went out and did a practice, it blew up on him, whether it was in OTAs or whether it was in training camp. That's just not a feasible way to play football. You can't just go out there and have your knee blow up with swelling every time you do any type of work outside. And so from that standpoint, yeah, it does certainly seem like, you know, his career is over.

It looks like it's going to be he's going to try and help out this year and then probably just kind of ride off. But he was a top five center in the league for a five six year period he was probably the most fun center to watch in this league i mean he's he's got a resume the second to none he's made almost 100 million dollars i mean what a career the guy had i mean he was a pro bowler he was an all pro he won the super bowl and you know was an absolute dog pleasure to watch every time he turned on the tape and he got paid right so we're all happy we're all incredibly happy for him his football football life, but obviously much shorter, I think, than we all would

appreciate. Go ahead, AJ. AQ, you ever tried any of those stem cell treatments? I know people, I guess you leave the country because they can give you more, I think, in one setting. That's what the restrictions in America, for whatever reason. Is that what you heard, AJ? No, I've gotten stem cells shot into my knee

multiple times. What? I need to go to, like, Columbia Is that what you heard, AJ? No, I've gotten stem cells shot into my knee multiple times. Whoa! Oh! What? I need to go to Columbia or these places where I can see to get a bunch of them. See? Yeah. Where did you do it? Did you get it in Columbus, Ohio?

They do stem cells? Really? Columbia of the Midwest. You ever do this, IQ? You ever get the body done? Little oil change? Yeah. Urban game.

I have done stem cells in the knee as well after my ACL surgery. I think you're right. I think the whole premise is the FDA kind of screws up a lot of things in this country. Whoa! Whoa! Sweet!

How you really feel? The presidential, why don't you go into the next presidential debate? Jesus! This guy. I'm just saying, I think All right, the presidential. Why don't you go into the next presidential debate? Jesus. 60 minutes. This guy. I'm just saying. I think there's a whole reason why all these guys go to Germany.

They go to Antigua. They go to Panama. They go to Tijuana. They go to all these places that have these stem cell clinics. Because it's not as regulated and they're able to, I think like as AJ said, they're able to multiply the cells in a low oxygen setting and then now you're able to get 100,000 stem cells or 300,000 stem cells or millions of stem cells

or whatever versus what you're allowed to get in the U.S. So I think that's the whole reason behind it. You know a lot about that, AQ. I've done a lot of research on it. I'm real interested in it. Does it hurt? How does it work? So they just stick a

big fat needle to pull blood i would assume right that's what they don't they don't pull your blood no oh that's now they just spot and spot inject and then they can also do iv but the ivs are what they get down in other countries because they can just boom just drill you with a ton of it i guess are you guys gonna go do that together where are we going we go to columbia it made me feel better. Where are we going, AJ? I'm in. The only problem is I've gotten a shot in my knee, and it doesn't magically regrow cartilage, unfortunately.

So it hasn't really changed much for me. That's coming out, though. I think there's a German doctor. Yeah, they've got a billion things. Yeah, they say, we're going to grow your cartilage. We're going to sew it in there. Like, yeah, good luck. Come on.

Well, it sounds like that's a little negativity on this Tuesday. It's just a lot of wear and tear if you try to think of your knees. You try to put in new cartilage, it's not going to stay. It might. Yeah, how do you know? I would try. I'm up to anything. Just to piggyback off what AJ's saying,

apparently the cartilage thing is the issue with Jensen, and it didn't help there either. So he must be on to something. I think AJ's on to something here when it doesn't help the cartilage. He got them Antigua. He should have got to the Tijuana one. Yeah, exactly. You know, there's different – just like there's different brands.

Yeah. The Tijuana one's a cartilage one. That's right. Everybody knows that. Catch a show while you're down there. Make sure you tell them. The Antigua one is the young – Exactly.

Yeah, regeneration. Yeah, make you look younger. Adrenochrome. Make you lose weight. No Gibson. I don't think Adrenochrome is in. I mean, who knows? I mean, AQ knows so much about it.

You guys tell us. What do you think? Is that the next conversation here? Yeah. What do you think of that, AQ? I don't know much about Adrenochrome. I just know the elites take it. The elites do it.

Who? Which ones? Who are they? Hillary does it, right? Jesus. Hillary who? Duff? You're a pig. You're an do it. Who? Which ones? Who are they? Hillary does it, right? All right. Jesus. Hillary who? Duff?

You're an absolute pig. Okay? There's no reason for that. Look how happy he is. Look how happy this guy is. He's so happy. Why? You just love that you just stirred the pot there.

Do you want to say anybody from the others? How about Sleepy Joe? You want to be fair and say anybody from the others? Who's that guy that couldn't talk? What's his name? Oh, Mitch McConnell. He's probably drinking from that thing. That's probably what they got him.

Him and Prince Andrew. And they walked off. They gave him like a chalice. Yep. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. So before we let you get out of here, we have to bring up one thing and one thing alone.

Pac-Man Jones and I are going to be undefeated after week one of college football season because the West Virginia Mountaineers are going into Happy Valley and they're doing the big dong dance all over. You know that we are better people. And how many points are you giving us for that game? Have you decided? 23, right?

42. No, we're not doing the line. What? 20 and a half! 20 and a half, bro. 20 and a half. First thing you do is check all the lines. Pac was listening. He read the book. It's in the book.

You said they were going to the playoff. I saw something the other day you had Kirk on. I think you said West Virginia was going to the playoff, which means you think they're going to win. So we'll just go Moneyline, right? No. There's a 20.5 point spread for a reason. I'm taking my emotions out of this. You and I are just trying to do a friendly wager

with Pac-Man Jones in this, and here you are trying to take advantage of me. You're in this bad diet, this bad mood. You got all this bad energy radiating from you. That's not good news for the bench. I will take Moneyline. Wow. Yeah, I will.

You know, with your toxic energy. What's that shirt there? What's the bet? What do we got? How feeble he looks. USA Bald Eagle shirt on. Love it. I love you.

It's awesome. I absolutely love you. All right, by the time we talk next, we'll figure out what the bet is. Can be out here soon. Can't wait. I can't wait. Here, we'll figure out what the bet is. Mm-hmm. Can't wait. I can't wait. Here, I'll be a nice guy. The line is going up. I'll give you guys 10 points.

Oh. 10 and a half. That's pretty good. 14. 10 and a half it is. 14 and a half, perfect. All right, we got 14. 10 and a half it is.

14 and a half. 14 and a half. 13 and a half. 13 and a half, yeah. 10 and a half. I think we agreed on 10 and a half. We did? No. We agreed on 14 and a half. You were on 10 and a half. 14 and a half. 13 and a half. 13 and a half, yeah. 10 and a half. I think we agreed on 10 and a half. We didn't know. We agreed on 14 and a half.

You were on 10 and a half. This is very nice of us to come 13 and a half. Well, we started on money line. We could have just, my connection could have just went bad. We could have went out on money. Yeah, but I was just in the moment. You know, we had to get through that segment to get to this particular one. It's seven points better than what the fucking books are giving you.

That's right. Billy Walters, you're a winner. You're a Billy Walters. I won, yeah. What was that, Tony? I just saw a jersey hanging in the background. How come your team's tanking? How come the Cardinals are tanking?

Yeah, Cardinals, what's that all about? How bad is that? What are they doing? What are they doing over there? You're there. You tell us. Well, they're trying to get the one and two pick next year, it looks like, right?

So that's what everybody's saying, but that's kind of an impossible thing to do in the NFL. I guess front offices can try to tank tank but players and coaches aren't unless gannon says you know what i'm not giving away who my starting quarterback is for week one genius move genius they've never seen something like Dobbs or Toon. Nope. Okay, so if you, you know, they got four quarters to figure out Dobbs and Toon, and I don't know if they're going to be able to.

Jack Del Rio doesn't know football good enough. No. I love it. They look like it's real bad, but if in a year from now they do get the top two picks and they change the entire culture, you would assume it'd be hot. But are they ever going to do that in Arizona? Ah, doubtful. This guy's a hater.

I mean, remember, he said the building was terrible before the report cards. That's true. And then we got attacked for it. But anyways, let's go. I was above the report cards. I was before that, right? Free report cards. You were kind of like a teaser to the report cards.

Like, hey, I don't know if these report cards are coming out, but I got some bad news about Arizona. It's crop. Terrible. Terrible crop. Out of loot created. The press room is the team meeting room, which is also the cafeteria, which is also our weight room. No job. It's gotten better, though, they say. It had to have, right?

I mean, you were thinking if they run a sweeper, it would get better. It's hard to get worse. More to sound like at the time. But Gannon's got them figured out. Does he? Yeah. Yeah.

Pew! Pew! Is Colt McCoy going to go somewhere else? What do we think? You tell us. I don't know. We'll talk to a guy here in like two minutes, actually. Yeah, everybody's clamoring to sign him.

Yeah. Everyone wants you, Colt. Really? No. Let's get to work. Thank you, A. Someone will. Everyone wants you, Colt. Really? No. Let's get to work. Thank you, A. See you soon. Thank you. Thanks for just bringing your politics into our bullshit. Smile, AQ. Thanks, AQ.

Enjoy your life a little bit. You're alive. You're not dead. Wow. That's a rock song. Yeah, I was going to say. He knows a lot about stentos, right? A lot, yeah. I wonder who convinced J. So do we. I wonder who convinced Jensen to do that.

Let's get to a break. We should investigate that a little further this year. Yeah, probably. Get to an answer. Do you think AQ was saying, yeah, you should do it? Or do you think he was saying, let's get to surgery? Second opinion, maybe? He was a coach, so players listen to their coaches.

Yep. Yeah. Jensen will listen to AQ. Yeah. On medical advice. Absolutely. Certainly. That's what I'm doing.

You should see his diet, dude. He said I'm miserable. No shit. He sent it over to me the other day. He might have prepped this guy has to do. He's doing meat, honey, and fruit. Okay, that's it. Any meat? Cape, man. Red meat. Is it always

glazed in honey, or are you like a spoonful of honey? But there's a certain, I don't know how much, you got a certain amount of this, certain amount of this. Where'd he get it? He get it from some guru, or what? The internet, yeah. He sent me the guy who created it, and I was watching, and I'm like, wow, this is a lot of commitment. He's like, got me down 40 pounds. I'm like, a lot of commitment.

He's down 247, he's trying to get to like, a lot of commitment. He's down 247. He's trying to get to 225. That's unbelievable. He's going to get his ass beat in a fight camp. He keeps going. Is he working out with Liver King? Is that what's happening? So it's kind of like a Liver King type operation he's got going on.

The local honey, I guess, is a big deal. Local honey is great for allergies. They start chugging it. Various other health benefits. Well, thank you. Yeah. Looks great. All right, let's get to a break.

Lombo's on the other side. He was supposed to join us seven minutes ago. Sorry about it, Lombo. We got into a full conversation about AQ Shipley not being smart enough to just break the scale during weigh-in days. What are we doing? What? They don't have a scale. They can't weigh us. Duh. Then we're not overweight. Pretty simple.

Home plus one. It's been there all the time. Yeah. It's always there. You think there's any guys weighing in heavy nowadays? Yeah. Yes. Come on, Pat. Just paying the fine. Whatever.

Here we go. Give it to me. It was like $450 a pound. Yeah. Yep. I wonder what it is now. It's got to be higher now. Might have him with Kareem Hunt when he came and got his.

I think these guys, these today, are just in such... Like, there's probably some OGs left around that still... I don't know. I guess I shouldn't paint a broad brush because anytime I run into the, like, traditional football guys that are in the league, they always say, like, hey, you always say, like, we're, like, vegans and stuff. We're not, okay? I'm still hammering beers, still doing that whole thing. It's, like, nice to know you still exist.

That is great to hear. We appreciate you. But I think these guys are more in tune with their body. Yeah, from a young age, no question. But, I mean, there's still plenty of people eating Skittles and eating McDonald's every day with eight packs and doing great. Like, there's still those people out there. But I think all those big guys that used to weigh in too heavy and, like, have fear,

I don't know if that's as often. Some of them either haven't gotten bigger or doing what AQ's doing, which is trying to get the smallest they can get. Yeah, the retirement way can go one way or the other. Yeah, take discipline, too. Gotta take those steps.

I don't like when the offensive linemen get too skinny. Makes me sad. Well, AQ's real skinny. I was sad, actually, to talk to him. AQ is 15 pounds lighter than me right now. It's weird because your head stays the same size, right? Yeah. But not really, though.

It shrinks a little bit. Your face might not, but if someone has a big head, you know we know plenty of people that lost like 60 pounds and then all of a sudden their head is gigantic and they're just a bobblehead. Yeah, they look like, yeah, exactly. That's what they look like. I was about to.

Yeah. Bro, what are you? You look like. Okay, you are. Thought so. Yep. Holy shit. I could toss you around right now.

I think I could just throw you around. That ain't good. Oh, I bet. I bet you could. All right. AQ is going to get tried in here. For sure. If he's a 210 or whatever the fuck he's trying to get to.

He's still like country strong, though. I guarantee you that. I'm sure he is, but so are we. 210? That's crazy. I'm going to be 210. Is he going to get a 210? I don't think I can slam him right now.

Dude, pick his leg right now. This is literally. It's fine. It's fine, though. You can't. I can't do it because it's fine. He's not going to get it hear this. This was literally... It's fine, though. You can't. I can't do it because it's fine. He's not going to... But boy, oh boy.

He'll really fucking weeble out. He's going to have... I mean, he's been in Bader's fight camp for a while. So he's got probably new moves. Yeah, a couple holds. We see Tua doing that back roll. That's... AQ's been...

This music is awesome. Yeah, it is. My computer's dead. This one. I think this was in NASCAR 1998. If I had to... This computer is awesome. My computer's dead. This one. I think this was in NASCAR 1998. This computer's done. It's been a hell of a run. It's just dead, dude.

I don't know. It's been around like seven, eight years, bro. So many things spilled on it. So many. This thing's made it through three different studios. Kind of a moment right now, I guess. Yeah, you've had that since the beginning. Thank you.

Saved that thing. A long time. Yeah, save it had that since the beginning. Thank you. Save that thing. A long time. Yeah, save it. Put it on the shelf or something. Save it. You should smash it with a baseball bat. You don't get to do that very often. True.

It's kind of fun. You're right. Throw it through the hoop. All your servers. Smash all your servers and computers and phones. What, another conspiracy theory right down the pipe here? Yeah. Geez.

Why don't you and AQ just start doing your little... Just reporting facts. No conspiracies. What if I just Jeff Darlington this? That would Darlington this week Alright, let's get to a break Michael Lombardi's on the other side, can't wait to hear the news He breaks, it's going to be something He's going to know something about some place And he's just going to answer it

And we're going to say, holy shit, Lumba, that is not Yeah, I said it, somebody Right? Yesterday Of course, can't wait for that. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Take.

This thing's done. This music's amazing. Great run. R.I.P. It does make. A little twang. I hear the men north of Richmond. Yeah.

The rich man north of Richmond Uh huh Are really a bunch of assholes Haven't you heard that? Oh yeah We've been told Yep You guys been listening to Zach Bryan?

Yeah People saying he's better than Morgan Wallen? Ooh I don't know Those people are wrong He served our United States military Oh I didn't know that I don't know how he sings well just you quickly took a shot at a well i didn't know here he did i think he's maybe information

and like we always say with new information i can change my opinion but uh you guys played a song yesterday it's well they both thanks for your service though yeah zach bryan and morgan wallen have the thing where uh like every song sounds just a little different. So if you like one of them, you kind of like all of them. Yeah, it's the Florida Georgia Line method. That's the country in general. As a whole. Post Malone, too.

Post Malone is breaking in it. Yes. Every song that you know. As soon as the first two sounds come from the song, it's like, Post Malone's on this song. And by the way, I'll listen. Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with it. He's great. That Zach Bryan guy, I think he's going to have to grow on me. I don't know if I'm necessarily his demo. I don't know if I'm the demo.

Seems to be a little bit... I haven't really heard much of his. I know he's blown up. I see him everywhere. I just haven't really actually sat down and listened to it. Me neither. I haven't heard enough songs. I've only listened to like four songs. In every one, I'm like, I don't know if this is me. The story's cool. The story of how he's blown up. Agreed. Happy for him. American hero. It'll be a hard pass for me as well. Jay Cutler loves him. That's awesome.

I like Ed Sheeran on the play. I mean, Brock Lesnar? I like Ed Sheeran as well. Brock Lesnar's awesome. I was on stage with him. Brock? Me too. He's one of my favorites. Ed Sheeran's super. You've on stage with him. Brock? Me too. Zach Bryan. One of my favorites. Ed Sheeran's super. He's awesome. You've got to be very talented. You look like him.

You're going to have to be incredibly talented to make it in the music pop world. Absolutely. He is. He's a little more pizzazz. He is. He's got a lot of pizzazz, too. I found a love. Great tats.

Yeah. He has a ton of hits. Tons of hits. Tons. Bangers. Bangers. He has a ton of hits. Tons of hits.

Tons. Bangers. Joining us now is a man who not only has a girth of knowledge in football, but also in business and life. A man who has done every single job that you could have imagined in both the media world and the football world. Ladies and gentlemen, Paisano Michael Lamarney. Hello. Hello, guys.

Yeah, I got a lot of girth. That's the problem. A lot of girth, yeah. No, knowledge. A girth of knowledge. Knowledge, knowledge. Yeah, a lot of girth. I's the problem. A lot of girth, yeah. No, knowledge. A girth of knowledge. Knowledge, knowledge. Yeah, a lot of girth. I don't know what you're doing.

A lot of kids over there. I don't know about girth. I'm figuring it out. But, Lombo, let's dive right into it. You've been a general manager in the NFL. Obviously, today is not a fun day, I'd assume. How does the day normally go for these 32 GMs? And are they telling everybody, you stink?

Is that how these convos go? And do you have any memories of any moments where it kind of fucked you up a little bit too, where you're telling a guy he's probably not going to make it in the NFL ever and his football life is pretty much over? Yeah, you know, that that's always the hard part, right? But what you try to do is be honest with the players like and if you're going to release a player, hey, I think you need to work on this. I think you need to work on that. But there's two things going on. There's the section of guys that maybe can't play in the league that you have to have a conversation with. And then there's the section of guys that, hey, you're going to be part of this roster. You may not be part of the active

45-man roster, but you're going to be part of our practice squad developmental roster, and you've got to continue to get better. And so you've got those two conversations. One of the hardest days for me, I was at the 49ers, and I was the Turk, and Coach Walsh never wanted to see any of the guys that got cut, so I had to do it all. So I went to this one kid's room. I can't look at him.

I can't look at him. He's going to kill me. What do you want me to do? That's hilarious. That's what Walsh said? No, no. He wanted nothing to do. He wanted him out of the building. You know, that's going to kill me. What do you want me to do? That's hilarious. That's what Walsh said? No, no. He didn't want to. He wanted nothing to do. He wanted him out of the building.

You know, that's it. So I went to this kid's room. I got him. He was, I thought he was really kind of perturbed. It was bothering him. I tried to soothe him. I mean, I was being really nice, trying to soothe him. We got him.

He left. A month later, I'm driving. I'm on the road. I'm at Texas, and I'm going to go to the Baylor University, and I'm listening to Paul Harvey in the car driving, and he tells the story of this poor kid who eventually couldn't make the team and committed suicide. I mean, it just ruined me forever. I mean, it was the hardest experience I've really ever had, and every time I went to release a player, I thought about that

car ride as I was driving to the next school and about what this kid did and how his life was messed up. I think you have to be really sensitive to it. I did not know that. Obviously, I apologize for bringing up something so incredibly devastating, I assume, obviously, to him, his family and you like that is something that you would have to think about forever it's a part of the job though and this kind of goes back to like the opening of the show where this is the first time a lot of these guys are hearing that they're not good like hey you're not good enough to be on this particular field like when they're kids hey this is the best player on the field high school best player in the field college best player on the field you get to an NFL training

camp there's some people that have no self-awareness they don't realize that hey everybody is miles ahead of you because of how their life is gone and having to be the first person to tell somebody that i could see that being a very difficult spot damn that is terrible to hear though but i assume yeah but you got to be honest you have to be honest with them they don't want they don't want you to i i don't i didn't want to be one of those guys that say, hey, you were close. We wanted to keep you, but the coaches didn't. No, that's not good for the kid. Hey, here's what you need to work on. Here's why you didn't. And we're going to keep you on the roster and you got to work at this to get better. Or the next place you go to, you're going to have

an opportunity because the one thing we know about today, there'll be some player that's released that'll have a five to seven year career in the NFL. That's just going to be a fact. So this isn't the end of the rainbow. This is the beginning of another chapter. Hopefully everybody has that vision. Hopefully everybody has that view. Go ahead, AJ. Longbow, speaking to somebody that's hoping for a brighter chapter, Trey Lance gets traded to the Dallas Cowboys. Are we making too big a deal out of this? Why do you think Jerry did this? Well, you think Jerry did this? Well, I think it all comes down to what you had on him in the draft before you got ready to pick, right?

So the Cowboys did an extensive amount of work on Trey Lance. They basically had him what we would call a high second-round grade, a potential starter. They did not have him as a first-round pick. They did not have him as the third pick overall in the draft. They had him as a potential starter. And they did a lot of work. And so for Jerry, the opportunity to get a guy to perhaps develop, it cost him $6 million, $950,000 this year, another $5 million that's guaranteed next season. And for that, he has an opportunity to see if maybe his grades on this player were correct.

And the fact that he didn't tell Dak Prescott, why would he? I mean, he's bringing in a third string quarterback. Do you tell him when you're bringing in a third string quarterback? Of course not. You know, he paid a fourth round pick. He didn't pay much for him. So, like, people are making way too much of that. Like, this is not the NBA where we go tell the players everything that happens in the front office.

You've got to do your job. Players have to do their job, and we move on. But I was surprised he did it, but I wasn't surprised when I found out they had him graded really high. And, look, I'll say this. The Cowboys do a really good job in player personnel. That roster is good. They draft well. They like Lance.

They're going to see if they can change it. Interesting, because this is a future bet for the Dallas Cowboys, just like he was a future bet for the San Francisco 49ers. And here we are in the future, and they've already given him up. Massive, massive move by them admitting their fault. You know, you said this a few weeks ago. Huge, huge. They did.

I mean, I think that's the key. You've got to give them credit. Look, we all make mistakes, right? We all make them. And you just got to know when to cut your losses. The biggest mistakes are when you continue to go down the road. The rhetoric, well, we haven't seen enough of T like we see this stuff it's a billion dollar industry like this just wasn't oh we just that we didn't play him in the game no you we played they know what they had and they decided it was time to move on and frankly for the kid i feel better for trey because he doesn't have that pressure on him all the time to be the man he's no longer has to he just has to be Trey Lance now okay let's talk about practice and being filmed Ron Averison fuck man oh my god don't get me started like seriously

what was he doing last year like okay every day I went out to practice one of the reasons why as a general manager you don't go on the road is because you focus on your team right I could sit in my office here today and I can watch every Texas A&M game. I don't have to go to College Station to scout Texas A&M. I can watch every game here. What is most important is making sure the players on this roster are getting better and we're utilizing the players the best we could. I've watched so many practice tapes.

When we would come off the field, I may go over to Belichick and say, hey, Bill, you know, that kid, he looks really good. Maybe we should do something. Maybe we should give him more reps. That's the conversation you're having after every single practice. If I were watching Sam Howe and I were the general manager of the Washington Commanders and he was throwing lights out, because you guys both know now,

he was throwing practice against the first team defense. He was doing that the whole season. Lasers. I would have said, huh? Lasers. He's throwing lasers. I'm saying, look, maybe we should give him a chance. Let's watch him.

We would make reels of players on every single tape. So at the end of the year, at the end of the year, when we're reviewing the team, we're going to sit in an office and we're going to watch 250 plays of Sam Howe playing quarterback in practice. Again, we're going to watch him. So think about this. What was Rivera doing? Was he just sleeping?

Lombo, Taylor Heineke was the one that made the decision in the last week of the year to start him. You know, he was like, no, you want to start me, but like, you should at least see this guy. And we attacked Taylor Heineke for that. We were like, Heineke's kind of soft here come on how many opportunities you get and he's like no no the guy you guys really good like this is how would you like to be josh harris you got a head coach who doesn't call offensive plays he doesn't call defensive plays and now he admits he wasn't paying attention to practice last year like what do you do like what are you doing you've had four let me give you to see it i want to say this to you very clearly you've had four playoff years but you've only

had three years over 500 that's remarkable it's pretty good odds i guess i don't know if there's any other coaches ever been able to pull that one off but you do look at i think out of 12 years only like four winning seasons or something like that there is there's a lot of stats to go against ron rivera we know he had success in carolina There's a lot of stats that go against Ron Rivera. We know he had success at Carolina. We know a lot of people like him. He's an ex-player, so we love seeing it. But you take into account him not knowing that they still had a chance at the playoffs last year.

You know, him. You know, Taylor Heineke saying, you should start this guy. The Eric Biennemi situation to literally start this entire thing. And then now, it's like it feels like he's either checked out, lost his fastball maybe doesn't want to deal with it anymore you know maybe he's just well you you're watching practice all through the season to determine your team needs at the end of the year you go into those meetings at the end of the year you want to want i don't want to here's what you don't want to do i don't want to draft a player in the third or fourth round when we have that player currently on the team. So say we elect this offensive lineman who's the guard,

and we think he's good, and I don't want to draft another third-round guard because this kid could be the guy. I don't want to double up on it. You've got to understand your roster. It's called scouting within, not looking outside. If you're the general manager, and he is too, Pat. Don't confuse this now. He's got full authority over everything remember he's the head coach he's cooking he's buying the groceries he's doing the shopping he's doing all the cooking what's he doing then yeah it feels like his days are numbered he knows that as well which is potentially another reason

why he was like i'm not watching anything speaking whose days are numbered i i want to i i i don't know what you guys think of this and i know you're supposed to ask me the questions but i think this colt mccoy move here would try with uh cutting him i and and kyle and mary being on pup i don't think people truly understand what is happening in the desert and let me just give you a background on floor is yours okay every contract in the National Football League, with the exception of the Sean Watson, is guaranteed for injury. No one guarantees for skill and injury because then you have to do what the

Browns did with Watson and send the money in future year guaranteed to the league's escrow account. But if you only put one of those clauses on guarantees, it doesn't have to be funded. So in Kyler Murray's case, he's got $56 million coming, and he has a potential to earn $92 million that are only protected by the injury guarantee clause. Okay?

So they placed him on PUP. My sense of it is, is he won't play on the, he will not play for the rest of the year because they can't risk putting him back on the field and having him get injured. And now they're on the hook for 56 million and they're on the hook for 92 million guaranteed. Now four days at the beginning of next season to determine whether that contract becomes skill and injury guaranteed i think this gives them the opportunity to continue to examine he's off the field he can't get any hurt than many more hurt than he already is and it keeps them from having an injury guarantee it hey just real quick i don't know if i've heard that yet that seems like a pretty big little piece of information that you don't think Kyler's going to be playing all season.

So getting rid of Colt is seemingly another wild move. What do you think they're doing? What is the plan? Is just to stink? Well, I think they're going to stink whether Colt stayed or not. I mean, I think we make way too much out. Oh my God, they cut Colt McCoy. Colt McCoy's played 17 games once in his life. You know, he's a great kid. He be a senator of the state from the state of texas he may be a nfl coach he's tremendous i mean he really is however that being said he wasn't going to last joshua dobbs was there before so they kind of the the coordinator drew petzik had him in cleveland i mean look they're not going to be any. And so they're going to go with one of those two kids and see what happens. But my point here is, if I were Monty Osendorf and I were Jonathan Gannon, there's no chance I'm putting Murray on the field this year and risking that

I'm going to fully guarantee a contract that I'm not sure I want to fully guarantee. So hold on. So they're just moving on from Kyler. Then you realize what happens with Kyler? Well, then that contract, say they move on to them, they would they would pay some of the acceleration. But what you'll read about in terms of when you look at when people start writing about this, Pat, they'll start writing as if, oh, they can't get rid of him. He has one hundred ninety million guaranteed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

This is guaranteed as you go because of that clause you follow me so they they would it would cost them a lot i think it cost them like 35 million to get rid of them on their cap it wouldn't cost them all that if if and if they did it the way i'm talking about doing which to me seems like the only way they can do so you think they're moving on from kyler where do you think you think somebody trades for Kyler then? That's what you think happens? Well, I think somebody might. I mean, you know, look at the end of the year, teams are desperate for a quarterback and you could take on the contract. It wouldn't be as prohibitive for you. I think he would be ranked like the he would be in the top 15 paid quarterbacks once you remove what the Cardinals

have paid them. So, you know, look, they've got to make that decision. They're changing their culture. They've told us that. They've gotten rid of Hopkins. They got rid of Simmons, right? They're changing their culture. That's really important to their team. And both the new staff have no real relationship with anybody else moving forward. They didn't draft Murray. They didn't draft Simmons. They didn't sign Hopkins or trade for Hopkins. Wow. That would be wild if that's the case, because we're all trying to guess what game Kyler's coming back for. And Lombeau's like, well, I think never. If they really want to save some money, you just follow the money, though.

That is literally your thing. You have to. We get too caught up in the player. Okay, we're going to trade for Jonathan Taylor. Great. Here we go. Pay him $17 million. What do you think happens?

What do you think happens? What do you think happens? What do you think happens with that? That's perfect. That's what I was going to ask. I think what everybody's doing in that situation is everybody's lowballing Ballard. I think everybody's trying to pretend to Ballard. You've got to get rid of him.

You've got to get rid of him. The agent's saying, just hold on. We'll make a deal. And I think Ballard just is going to say, look, either you give fair value to what I want or I'm not going to trade him. Is he going to come off PUP? He might miss four games.

I mean, Ballard's under no timetable. I mean, it's self-imposed, 4 o'clock today. But there's been no offers to the Colts that I'm aware of that indicates that some teams are willing to give up two number one picks like Curtis Martin got traded for. Are they just going to take any deal, though, to get him out of the building, you think? I don't think. I wrote about this in my next book, Football Done Right. That's the worst trade you can make is when you make the trade of

just get this guy out of the building. Just get him out of the building. You make a bad deal when you do that. I talked about it on my show today, the Lombardi line. I mean, I said it. You can't make that deal. What happens to you is you become a prisoner of whatever somebody wants to offer you, and you can't do that.

That's not good business. So what do they do? This guy doesn't want to be there. They're voting a culture. Yeah. Guy don't want to be there. He's going to be on PUP for four weeks. I tell him to come in, okay?

You come in. Okay. You come in and rehab at X amount of times, not around the team. I got four weeks to do if somebody wants to trade with them. Like the one thing I learned a lot from Al Davis, let me say this. And Al Davis was very good at being uncomfortable. He enjoyed it. He really did enjoy it. And nobody was going to rush him into making any decision. And I think that you can't rush into this decision or else you're taking less value. The media wants you to rush. Well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do with them?

Well, I'm going to get fair value. If you're so good, why can't I get a first round pick for you? Then let's say you can't. Never comes. Jonathan Taylor, what do you do after that? Well, OK, so now I know that i'm not going to resign them next season i got a compensatory pick probably coming to me so somebody will pay them right so that's a third i'll probably get a compensatory third if i don't dabble in free agency so if somebody makes me an offer that's

better than that compensatory third that pays me now i go make the move all right i love just hearing that i mean obviously that's what we've been saying all week. Of course. Isn't it? You know what we've been saying last week? We've been saying everything like that. I don't know how Ballard's going to handle it. I tried to FaceTime him earlier. He didn't answer. That son of a... Chris!

I wanted to read his face because he was probably what I thought could potentially happen, and I've never FaceTimed Chris Ballard in my life before, but I thought there was a chance he'd answer and go what you know just like is something wrong like one of those things and i was just gonna go jonathan taylor we trade him today or not and i was gonna read his face you know just so i get some sort of answer because the deadline feels real from ballard's standpoint but everything feels real that's kind of doesn't come to fruition then it changes is what you're saying sounds right, you can't make a deal without a deadline. It just lingers and lingers until if you don't have a deadline, you can't

really get anything done. I mean, that that's just in every almost every negotiation. You've got to have some form of deadline because you know, it's never strong enough without a deadline. Oh, is it China or Japan? Which one was it? China or Japan? Japan. They won't negotiate to you with about two hours before you get ready to go to the airport for the flight. So you might as well just book a flight in, take a nap, and book a flight out.

Or you're going to be passing 72 hours in a beautiful country if you want to go. Gorgeous. If you want to go get a tour. But I guess that's the only way to get things done. Speaking of getting things done, teams will get things done. Connor has a question for you about that. Yeah, with this being cut day, obviously

teams are being formed and even after the 53 front offices are looking around other places, in your experience when you were with New England or the Raiders or any of the teams that you worked for, do you know right now like, okay, this is a team that I

can see going on, winning 10 plus games, going to the playoffs, or do you also have that same worked for, do you know right now, like, okay, this is a team that I can see going on and winning 10-plus games, going to the playoffs? Or do you also have that same feeling like, ah, this doesn't feel like a team right now that is going to be competitive with the better teams in the NFL? Yeah, you can tell pretty quick. I mean, when we went to the Super Bowl in 2002, we signed Sam Adams, the defensive tackle, from late.

And I could tell the team we started four oh and then we lost four in a row and then we didn't lose again until the tampa game in the super bowl you could tell you kind of know a lot of it is based on your quarterback right most of the teams that struggle are struggling because their quarterback just they can't get consistency out of that position and it becomes challenging so yeah So, yeah, I think you can tell. I think you can look around the league. I think especially in your own division, you know, if you're playing in the AFC East, you kind of know there's no surprises.

You know those teams so well, whereas you may not know the West and the NFC because you only play them once every four years, but you have a really good idea. I mean, that's part of your job is to know the league. I mean, if Al Davis asked me a question about some player on San Francisco that I didn't know about it, I mean, that would have been the end of my career. Which I'm happy it wasn't because obviously we have a man with a wealth and girth of knowledge that really makes us a lot better. The interesting thing about judging your team amongst the division,

there's probably some GMs tonight that are going to go to bed after their team got put together. They're like, we stink this year. Don't have it. We don't have it this year. You know, I drafted my fantasy team last night. You know what I mean? I drafted my first ever.

It's the first time I've ever gone through an entire – my team has ever gone through an entire fantasy draft. And I looked at that team afterwards. I looked at everybody else. I'm fucking winning. That's a good feeling. Those GMs are having good nights tonight. Just like I'm having. Shout out to Connor, by the way. Good advisory role there. There's GMs though that are going to bed tonight knowing their team probably ain't got it. Right? Right. But you're going to bed tonight knowing, okay, we got to get some players. Walsh used to say this to us all the time the best time to add players to your team is during the season when nobody there's no competition for players it's a little bit like

what Rivera went back and said well I didn't even know how was that good people are so engaged in the opponent that they lose sight of the big picture so the market really lends itself to finding players this time of the year where you could, you know, steal a guy off a practice squad. You know, everybody's saying, well, you know, the Cowboys paid a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. You could flop in the third round and get a fourth. You could find a guy on somebody's practice squad who could come in and play for you would be worth a fourth, equal to a fourth as in terms of what he does on the field so this is the time like there's teams you got to make moves now you got to constantly manipulate your roster

because you want the back end of your roster stronger as you manipulate that to help the front end of your roster yeah yeah there's some teams though no they're fucked and i assume arizona's one of them ganon's like wow being a head coach is awesome this is a great time especially out here in Phoenix. Beautiful city. Pac-Man has a question for you. Hey, Lombo, we got a couple guys still out. Bosa, Chris Jones, Josh Jacobs. Have we heard anything about these contracts or when they begin done?

Well, Jacobs is done. He's signing. You know, I think what the Raiders did for him was the right thing. I mean, there was never a hostile negotiation. They know he was good. They wanted to pay him. He was in Max Crosby's car, almost signed a contract. They gave him more money than the franchise. He earned it. I mean, he played so well last year, 350 rushes, four nine a carat. He was outstanding.

I think to me, Bosa gets done because Bosa's contract really is, this is the conversation about Bosa's contract. You want more than Aaron Donald? Okay. I don't know if we could pay you more than Aaron Donald. We can get you close to Aaron Donald. I mean, we know where the range of the money is. Now, how much guarantee do you want and how many years do you want? That's another conversation, but we know where we are. That can get done. I think that gets done before Monday. The Chris Jones one's harder in this sense. You have two of the most selfless players on your team, and they're the two of the best players at their position. First of all, I think Kelsey wins the award for the most selfless player in the league.

He's getting paid like a tight end when he's not. He should be the highest paid receiver, because he plays receiver. He really doesn't play tight end. He takes less money there. Mahomes is the eighth or ninth highest ranked quarterback in the league. We know he's the best one in the league. He's taking less money. So how do you, if you are Brett Veach, how do you go to Chris Jones and make him the highest paid defensive lineman in the league or one of the highest paid? And then you ignore these two guys who are really helping your team. You see the issue here? It's a little bit of a problem. I would say to you, Chris Jones was great last year.

He was the best defensive tackle in football. 15 and a half sacks, multiple 48 quarterback hits, unblockable. But what do I do with Kelsey? What do I do with Mahomes? I can't slap them in the face and say, well, you guys take less money. I'll give it to Chris. That's the issue here. I think, to your point, though, about what you just said there,

like, that's Chris Jones' point as well. You know, because, like, I think his greatness gets overshadowed by being on a team with Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reid, and the Chiefs' kingdom and everything they got going on, which might lead to a little bit of a personal, you know, kind of beef with the Chiefs and wanting to get, you know, probably some public respect if the deal is where he thinks it should be. And I don't know, would they trade him then, I guess?

Is he a trade? How does that end up working? I mean, look, he's worth it. I mean, he's – look, this is a really hard position to be in if you're Brett Veach and Andy Reid. I mean, because you've's worth it. I mean, he's look, this is a really hard position to be in as your Brett Veach and Andy Reid. I mean, because you've got to be careful with your team, right? You don't want to destroy your locker room. And you got two guys, especially Kelsey now. Look, you know, Kelsey, he's a top five receiver in the league. These guys are making 20 million a year and he's not. It's not fair. But, fair. But he's being selfless. He wants to stay there.

He wants to win. And I agree with you. Look, Chris Jones was unblockable. He destroyed games last year. He really did. And when he's going, so it's two sides of the coin. You've got to find some way to compromise the deal. This is the hard part of being a GM in the league.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to have to figure it out, especially with him being pissed off. He said he's going to win defense player of the year too so he's only getting better tone has a question for you Lambeau yeah Lambeau I was going to look at it and I saw some and I think there might be is there have you done where there's a correlation to teams that have played in the preseason versus teams that haven't played in the preseason and then week one gambling like I looked last year the Bengals, Rams, and Cowboys all lost. They didn't play team. They didn't play players in the preseason versus teams that did play.

Yeah, I definitely think there's an equation. I think also past history, too. We know Frank Wright's 0-4-1 in opening games, right? What tells you they don't get their team ready? Cincinnati's a slow starting team. I think there's a lot to that. And I think like Cincinnati believes we're going to build the team as the year goes on, five and four the last two years.

I think you look in preseason at the execution and you go through week one of last year. Like Mike Rabel's lost two home opening games in the last two years. Arizona went in there and beat him two years ago. And then the Giants went in there and beat him. And so you look at that and you say, OK, what is he doing for his first? Now we know Tannehill took one snap the other night against New England. That's it. His offensive line's a work in progress. So I think you have to look at the history of the coach in opening days

plus what he did in the preseason. And I think what you see with Tomlin is, like, if I'm San Francisco, Tomlin's team's ready to go now. They're ready to go. They're ready. They've gotten reps. They've sparred. They're ready to go. They're ready. They've gotten reps. They've sparred. They're ready to fight. San Francisco's going to have to match that. Yeah, Bosa. You know, Tone Diggs was

actually pushing yesterday. He needs to take a stand for all players and for himself until Leafs week two. Felt like a little bit of a bias there, obviously. I do love that the Bosa deal is going to get done in everybody's eyes. He's so good at the football. I'm excited he's back. The Chris Jones thing is getting fascinating, though,

because somebody would have to trade and pay him, right? It would be a sign-in trade pretty much is what would have to take place. Yeah, I mean, look, they did it. I think Tyree kills one of the best receivers in football, and they did it with him. They got rid of him because they knew they couldn't pay everybody. I don't think they'll do that with Jones because you remove Jones from that team, and they're a different team defensively.

They're completely different. And not saying they couldn't win without him because they're so good at quarterback and their skill and Andy's a great coach, but it would be a harder endeavor to do. Well, is that Brett Veach saying it? Listen, you're telling me. Last question here from Ty. We appreciate you, Bison. Yeah, Lambeau, there was a graphic going around earlier this week saying listen you're telling me uh last question here from ty we appreciate you bison yeah lambo

there's a graphic going around earlier this week uh showing like how many rookie qbs have you know had like basically sat before they started and i think starting with matt ryan and joe flacco that year like that kind of started the trend of guys getting drafted and then starting the first year right away of all the guys you've seen so far in the preseason this year, because we're going to have several rookie QBs starting week one, have you seen anything that makes you think that some of those teams with rookies starting are going to be successful this year? Well, I think the one guy is Richardson because the offense fits him perfectly.

I would have said Bryce Young, but their offensive line has been so bad this summer, I worry about him staying healthy. Not that Atlanta's got a great front, but I worry about that. But Richardson's going to play within a system that's very comfortable for his skill set. You know, when Josh Allen was a rookie, he started 11 games. His completion percentage to wide-open receivers where he missed the throw was 25%. Last year he had that number down to 16. So he really improved his accuracy.

Same thing with Jalen Hurts. Throwing to wide open guys his first year in the league, I think he was at 26. Last year he was at 14.2. So there's going to be a lot of throws Richard should makes that are guys are open that don't, he doesn't connect on, but you got to live with it. But the offense fits them so well. Yeah. Hell yeah, it does. And you know, we're going to have everybody on board too. Best player on the team is going to be on board too. Yep. Yeah. By four o'clock today, hour and four minutes. That's what's going to happen. I can't wait for it. Lambo. We appreciate you, buddy. Can't wait

for the season with you. Thank you for all your hard work. And the way your brain operates, we are very thankful to get to hear because we don't think like you. Thank you, buddy. And we have the experience. Enjoy your life. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Have a great day. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombard. Yeah, Lambo. Lambo, appreciate you. All right, boys. What a day. Not a bad day. Not at all.

That was a pretty good little program today. Yeah. I feel like we learned a lot of stuff. Victor Hovland. Not at all. That's a pretty good little program, then. Yeah. I feel like we learned a lot of stuff. Victor Hovland. Yeah, it was incredible. It was a nice chat with him. Yeah. The man, Leckler, also.

Leckler's awesome. The man. Learned about stem cells. Yeah. Stop by for a koosh. Kyler's contract. Leckler said, hey, Pac, you didn't take a fucking touchdown back on me. I did.

They called it back. So, in his eyes, what he would say, and he did take a fucking touchdown back on me. I did. They called it back. So in his eyes, what he would say, and he did say, was he saw the flag. So he laid down because on film he doesn't want to look weak, but also knew that thing was coming back. Let's not waste too much energy. That's what he's saying. I don't believe it, Pac. There's only two kickers that really ever tackle me,

yourself and a guy that played in Seattle. John Ryan? Yes. He was the... He's pretty shredded. He's pretty jacked. Ginger Ninja, I think is what he was on the Ninja Warriors. Oh, nice.

I think he was a wide receiver in the CFL. A beast. He's from Regina, Canada. He is from Regina. Saskatchewan. That is actually... Yeah. He's up there near...

Saskatoon, yeah, right next to it. Athletic is Hilton Fast, athletic, funny I think he did stand-up comedy I was a big fan of his He has one of the greatest passes of all time Against the Packers He's married to a stand-up, I know that

I think they met at one of those I think he does do it I'm a big John Rye fan Never really met him though Seattle's real far. It is. Yes, it is. You know what I mean?

It is so far. Way up there. It's pretty far out there. It is so far up there, dude. It is way the fuck out there. Beautiful place. Whatever. Gorgeous.

Loud stadium. The needle. Loud stadium. Loud stadium. Really loud. Basketball back. Music there has to be terrible. I didn't want to say that whenever they said

the taylor swift thing was like a why i mean the echo is the actual sound oh you mean inside you don't mean like the grunge era like nirvana say yeah no i would listen to nirvana yeah okay in seattle would love to do it hopefully in a dive bar in little, a dungy dive bar down there, you know? Somebody with, like, blue hair, nose. A couple rings. Give me the whole, I want a connection from here to here, too, like an Adam Zapp piercing. Prince Albert, yeah. I'm not talking about their dong being pierced, but. Urethra.

Urethra, I think it is. Whatever the case, I assume if they got this one connected to this one connected to here, they probably do have their urethra appears, if I had to guess. So, yeah. We need to talk to somebody that has one of those. That seems very painful. I think I met one person. Really?

Yeah. I think it was in the wrestling world, obviously. That makes sense. I think it is painful, but the rest is a dream. Yeah, the look at it. Are you talking about WWE superstar Prince Albert? No. Oh. painful, but the rest is a dream. Yeah, the look at it. That's it. Are you talking about WWE superstar Prince Albert? No.

That is his name for sure. Oh, Michael Cole? I don't know. I don't think Michael Cole has his penis. He might. I thought I saw it in the singlet that one time. When he was in a coal mine? Yeah.

For Bill! Oh, nice. Bill's staring right down a coal mine. Yeah. For Bill. Oh, nice. Bill's staring right down a barrel here. He's about to get shot. How do you see him, though? I see his shorts. Okay. Ah!

Oh, no. Watch out, Bill. Bill. Bill. Bill. Bill. Bonus ball. Bonus ball. Good feet.

I almost rolled the angle. You saw it. For Bill. Oh, yeah. Good feet. I almost rolled the ankle. You saw it. For Bill. Bucket. Yum. I haven't made some in a few days. Well, yesterday you should have made. That's what I'm saying.

The footballs yesterday were ridiculous. Used them up for Lolita. Well, she deserved it. Did she? I don't think so. Is she hanging from the rafters yet? We won't see until week one. They burned that blubber alive.

Oh, man. We should take that bear. Somehow turn it into a whale. That looks like it. Put a fin on the bear. I was at the store where that bear came from. I think there is actually a whale there that we can... All the way up.

Yep. Takate. That'd be so fucking cool. I will call the store right now. If we could put an LED board on one side of her and an LED board on the other side of her too, we can have our own little Jumbotron. Take a look up at Takate.

For a replay. Oh my god. The Takate replay. Golly. How do we have all the good ideas all the time? I know. I don't know. It's fun. Fuck. SeaWorld could probably sponsor

that. Yep. I think they might hit. People don't love them right now Geauga Lake Geauga Lake Shout out I know my buddies from Youngstown always went there All of us

It's the freaking best lake in town Appreciate you wearing that shirt, but you just got embarrassed right there No, I know exactly what lake The best one Hey, don't embarrass the program I'm not embarrassing the program I'm cosigning how much fun that lake was Bang

Hey boys that's what I'm talking about Fun fact it's not a lake I know I'm just playing along so that everybody who doesn't know Doesn't know still Nice There it is That's the one That's the one.

That's the one, Cockatay. That's the one. Woo! Thank you, you big fucking fish. Put you right up there someday. Can't wait.

Someday. All right, let's get out of here. Great show today, boys. We'll be back tomorrow. Just a reminder, we're off Friday. Yep.

Yes. More, another round of, hey, we got, oh, I don't even want to get into it, actually. This is an internet thing now. You know, our internet is not good enough. We need another internet. Which is because this has become a whole, AJ, it's awesome.

Had to drop into a tech call this morning just real quick, like, hey, let's have a little respect for this guy right here. Zito, let's point at Zito, you know, because there was a lot of. The way the Internet is constructed since the beginning of time. Oh, geez. Trying to explain it all to you. Oh, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. It's all going good. Everybody wants the same thing.

Everybody wants the same thing. Everybody wants the same thing. Got to remember that. That's right. People want to put their name on it. All those, well, there's a chance that that is a part of it. But everybody wants the same thing, AJ. We all want the same thing. Yeah, of course.

That's it. Let's get to it, right? All right. With that being said, some people are much smarter than others, others right it's not about how smart you are come on it's just about how you go about doing things and potential experiences you know if you're able to do a show out of the back of a box truck in the middle of the hood in pittsburgh okay at 8 a.m when it's 15. Right. I assume you might know a little bit about connections. Maybe.

And like how to get things to places. You know, if you're able to do that, you could probably figure out a multi-million dollar studio connection with three different companies with their networks coming in here. You'd think. We had a drop off two times yesterday. Did you see that? Can't have that. Did you hear about that? I heard about it.

I heard about it. It's not because of Zito. No. No. No, see that? Can't have that. Did you hear about that? I heard about it. I heard about it. It's not because of Zito. No. No. No, no. Not because of Tech Billy. No, absolutely not. He came in and straightened that out immediately. Our tech guy came in here yesterday, fucking fired up. What's going on? Who's doing? Who are these people? Who's talking?

It was awesome. Remember, he has also 375 confirmed kills. Yes, he does. This isn't Tech Joe? No, it's Tech Billy. It was awesome. Remember, he has also 375 confirmed kills. Yes, he does. He has a haircut of that. This isn't Tech Joe? No, it's Tech Billy. Who also has 375 confirmed kills? Yeah, we don't know with Tech Joe how many bodies he's got.

Tech Joe's not a tech guy, though, right? Well, I think he works in IT. He's made his billions and billions in the tech market. Ever heard of BlackRock? Maybe. You think there's a president of this country? Look into BlackRock. I was not going that far.

I was just saying that's where Tech Joe keeps his scalps. Boy, we are going to be live during the presidential election. Think about how many things are going to get seen that are going to be reported as internet reports on this show. Did I hear that?

Insert something so absurd. So, so absurd. And then it's Austin. You see those gas prices? Oh, and then the whole, well, that's only, oh, here we go. We got to stay out of that. Yeah. That's like real shit.

We do not need to dance. No, nobody takes us serious. That's the difference about our show. True. And everybody else's show, which is good. It's a built-in barrier. Yeah. That's like real shit. We do not need to dance. No, nobody takes us serious. That's the difference about our show. True. And everybody else's show, which is good. It's a building barrier. Like, this ain't real.

Do not listen to this fucking guy. And also, do not listen to this guy about politics. Now, General Bob Carpenter. You fucking perk up. Now you listen to Bob. All right, we'll be back tomorrow, dude. Shane Leckler, shout-out. Victor Hovland, shout-out. A.Q. Shipley, shout-out.

Michael Lombardi, shout-out. All of you, shout-out. Appreciate the hell out of you. Pac-Man, good seeing you. Be back tomorrow. And, AJ, you will not be here on Thursday, accurate? Correct, yeah. A couple of my buddies going to the Packer Hall of Fame.

Nice. Congrats, AJ. Congrats, Brett. Sounds like more stem cells. I would love it. Give me some stem cells, Goop. I'll get it. They're not illegal. There has to be a better place to get it done than Antigua, though, right?

Antigua's the best place. That sounds pretty nice to me. The best place to get it done is usually with a real surgeon who can fix you. I thought it didn't work, AJ. What's that? I thought the stem cell didn't work aj what's that yeah i thought the stem cell didn't work when you did it and not for me yeah i'm saying not for like i think it works for different areas like i've heard people do it in their shoulder and different things that it's

worked but my issue like i've talked to doctors like yeah it's not going to regrow cartilage obviously so so i just get that i just plug an iv and boom right here no you get a shot of here in america i don't know if they do IVs in America. I think you have to go to the country to get IVs. They just do a shot of it here. Okay, so I would just get shot. Let's say this thing's a little sore and I don't have time to get to Dan Orlovsky. Sure.

I don't have time to get to Dan Orlovsky. Kwakwaz, Connor Kwakwaz. I don't have time for that. I'll just, I'll go somewhere I know to go boop, and then it'll go boop, and my shoulders are better. Hopefully. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I've never had it in my shoulders. And then the rich people just get it done on their face?

Yep. Oh, I don't know about the face stuff. Face. What is that? Penis. Penis, yep. Testicles. People putting stem cells in their penis?

Yeah, it makes it grow like six, seven inches. Wow. I didn't hear that. 70-year-olds walking around with 18-year-old dongs. Yep. Inflates their balls, the size of watermelons. Whoa. This is stem cells?

Look at me. Holy shit. I didn't know that. That's the South Park gif with the... Exactly. That's where it came from? No, no, no. He was putting his nuts in a microwave.

I'm talking about the guy who was walking the wheel. Yeah, Randy. He puts his nuts in a microwave So he gets cancer so he can get a medical marijuana card Because he's going to a Ziggy Marley concert Nice Worked It did

Yeah it did South Park covered stem cells They did Was this a part of it? Was this what could happen? No, no, no. Family got covered. Gene Hackman and the guy who played Superman,

he was paralyzed from the neck down, and they have him. Christopher Reeves. Christopher Reeves. They have him in the show. He goes on Larry King, and he takes a baby, an unborn fetus, cracks it at the neck and sucks the stem cells out, and then by the end of the episode, he's like lifted cars over his head.

He turns into Superman pretty much. So it's pretty. So what is stem cell? I don't think I understand what stem cell is. Baby, because you guys have made a lot of baby stuff. Baby umbilical cord, yeah. Seriously? That's where Jensen got his, yeah, from umbilical cords.

What? A lot of ethical questions about stem cell still, yeah. How is this? They're just collecting these things up? Yep. You know, a questions about stem cells still, yeah. How is this? They're just collecting these things up? Yep. You know, a guy in the NFL got a knee. Fucking need 14 of these things. Mom's donating them.

And what are they doing? Like, when you're taking mushrooms, you put them on, like, a peanut butter sandwich or a piece of pepperoni? How are they getting these things? Ask AJ. If you want to. AJ, you did little baby's umbilical cords in your knees? I think AJ used shrimp cocktail. Did they ask you?

When you had your baby, did they ask you when you had your baby, did they ask you if you wanted to save the cord blood? Yeah, they asked if I wanted to donate it or something like that. That's it? I said no. Some people save it and freeze it for like, because they say, hey, you might be able to use that eventually in the future for something. I just said no, and then I told the nurse.

That was weird to ask for my kid's blood. Thanks. And then just kind of kept it moving. But now I guess it's full business. Well, I know we're on Antigua, but... How much money can you get from it? I do not know. You don't save it to sell it.

No, you snack on it like beef jerky. We gotta make money off this. Who does? You can freeze it. People eat the placenta, too. Alright, let's get to it. You gotta eat the placenta. Alright, this show really... People eat the placenta, too. You got to eat the placenta. All right. This show really

went a different way. People do it. You're one of them. Yeah, we learned about that. You and AQ should be like, how many things did you take in your knee? I had four kids. I never got the guts

to take a bite out of that placenta. I always said I wouldn't talk to Big Game, but I got in there. He pulled that thing out. I said nah. I appreciate you. Your knees might have cartilage. You eat that thing. People also eat the placenta.

The most common placenta preparation creating a capsule is made by steaming and yes, there's a whole process here. Yeah. Oh yeah. It happens. You just have to grind up those mushrooms, put them on a peanut butter sandwich and the whole thing, and then you really start going there. These people were saying,

give me your fucking umbilical cord. A little different. Rehydrate, dehydrate it. Boil it in this. Wide, IV it. Wide, wide, wide. How many babies' umbilical cords do you got to have? That's a lot of fucking...

A lot. Thousands. So whoever's got the plug on the umbilical cord is probably the one who's doing the best business. Who's got the umbilical cord plug? Somebody said that. Indeed. So whoever's got the plug on the umbilical cord is probably the one who's doing the best business. Yeah. Who's got the umbilical cord plug? Somebody said that. Indeed. Yeah.

At one point. Who's got the baby umbilical cord plug? Need it for our business. And then it just. Tijuana. Yep. Antigua. We need umbilical cords from babies.

The same name says A.J. Hawk in Ohio. Is that what happened? I didn't use, I don't, we didn't do the whole cord blood thing with our kids. Yeah, but you took somebody else's. Yeah. I didn't know about that. What's the thing that Lance Armstrong did? Blood dope. Pull the blood.

Put oxygen in it. Put it in like a centrifuge. Pump it back in. Blood doping. So you get like more blood and the blood that's getting pumped in there has more oxygen. Blood carries oxygen. So access to more oxygen plus the blood that's coming in. Super oxygen blood yeah bingo

i think he also has like a harley and epo bike too yeah question because not a bad way to win yeah not at all i just saw a blood oxygen test literally two days ago and it was at 99 so like can you go above 100 blood oxygen level or you yeah is that something you id i had no chance more oxygen the better yeah somebody died from uh too much water i went to a soccer camp and yeah that happens they drown from the inside yeah if you don't have enough if you don't have enough like sodium or electrolytes yeah you can you can drown yourself by drinking water boom yeah like i went to the soccer camp we went to this meeting uh like. It was a college whatever. Scouting camp.

You get it. College room where we all sat down. And this one hydration expert came up and said, it's going to be real hot. Need everybody to hydrate. Hydrate as much as possible. When you don't think you have enough water, drink more water with how hot it's going to be.

Gets off the stage. The person comes up. Not too much, though. Could die. And I remember thinking, it's like a 12-year-old. Well, that's a little conflicting there. I mean these two just said, can we like explain a little bit? And then they broke down how you can over hydrate.

I think somebody in Indiana. Yeah, she did some like mom over 4th of July weekend. They were out on a boat and she drank like I think they said the equivalent of like 100 ounces of water in like an hour and a half or something like that. She was just, because it was so hot, she was just slamming bottles. And yeah, she died from whatever, like when they got back.

That's bananas. That's which I also heard isn't real bananas where everybody was just eating them as a kid. Yeah. Whatever they said it was doing. Good for cramps. Allegedly not. Oranges. Really?

Allegedly not. Everything. Yeah. Allegedly not. I mean, you can find a scientist To say anything right now Yeah I was gonna say You can Google On your side of that

Again I mean Stats run every time Hey are bananas good for you Yep You need to test If you're good at getting cramps Hey you

Guy that went to school And should have the qualifications Give me this answer Are bananas good for cramps No There's no studies That are a direct correlation It's like okay

Well what am I supposed to Pharmaceutical companies Made a trillion dollars off of it Oh Don't they always Get the scientists Just to say anything Thanks Fauci Yep What am I supposed to buy? Pharmaceutical companies made a trillion dollars off of it. Oh. Don't they always? Getting a scientist just to say anything. Thanks, Fauci.

See, here we go. See. Here we go. Well, still true. Is he still around, or? Oh, yeah. I haven't seen him in a while. That's because he made a billion dollars.

Yeah. Probably won't see him for a long time. Sister Jean just threw a better fucking ball than he did Sister Jean clocked a what was it? Like 97 It was So you threw faster than her age Yeah No she's 104

She was trying to throw 105 She almost got there Oh yeah She pitched right there Nice That's a good way to get out of here and Shohei. Oh, yeah! She pitched right there. Nice. That's a good way to get out of here. Anybody have anything else to say?

Any other reports you saw on the internet? Need to get off your chest? Yeah, actually. Island Boy's new song. This guy was singing Bruce Henson's to me. I just remembered it. It's actually a pretty good song. I think it goes

something along the lines of like, I want to be on the cover of People Magazine kissing my brother on the lips. That's actually a real song. It doesn't even rhyme. That's the second verse.

I'm trying to think of the second verse. That's the hook. every time i close my eyes yeah i see my brother's lips on mine i've heard this melody before yeah yeah it's a uh it's i think it's a bruno mars song billionaire where's the bit there it is i want to be a bruce judge's video yeah bruce sends me hey just so you know and you're aware of what's going on in the update. I was like, thank you so much for this. At some point, this will come up. Bruce, any well actually on this entire thing? No, I just

sent it in. Connor nailed it. That's the melody. That's a real thing right there? Those are the lyrics. Listen, live on the internet. The amount of things we've seen on the internet is so absurd. You can believe that anything has happened. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. The last two times you guys have brought up the island boys, I've thought you've been completely lying. Nope. Right there, I thought that was a complete lie. Nope. So did I. I thought it was just not real at all.

Nope. You're saying real. A thousand percent real. That exact melody, I'm kind of proud of myself for remembering how it went, too. That's exactly what happened. Because I want to let you know, everybody else in here was like, Connor's really bombing here. No, no, no. You know what I mean? Ty was actually trying to help. I thought

you made it up. No, no, no. That actually happened. That would have bombed if it wasn't real, but it's real. I was literally, in my head, I'm like, he better fucking get to somewhere here. Because I was a little bit worried. This is a real update on something we were talking about last week.

Actually, the only thing I've left out is that he's got a pretty good voice. He can kind of sing. Yeah. I'm serious. Is it the carrot or the other one? Ooh, I don't know. It is a red, big cross tattoo middle of his forehead. Oh, yeah. He is kind of talented.

Let's get to a break. I'm happy we got that. I'll show you the video right after this. No, yeah, definitely. This happened last time with something that I thought was completely fake about these two brothers who are out there on OnlyFans. Yeah, no, it's real. Slinging peen.

That's right. Staying roving. They got staying power, man. They're not one-hit wonders. I mean, that is the first time that, like, I've just not believed at all what is reality with humans. These things aren't real. These things aren't real.

These island boys. I don't think they can be. The one with the money in his hand? I think the one on the right. Does it matter which one? No. I believe it's the one on the right. I mean, if we're trying to get to the bottom of this.

Twins, Basil. How old are they? Do we know? 35. Jeez. It's a little older than I thought. All right, we're trying to get to the bottom of this. Twins, Basil. How old are they? Do we know? 35. Jeez. It's a little older than I thought. All right, we're back tomorrow. Sorry.

We're so sorry. What if they both have families? They both have, like, a wife and kids at home? That's a costume they put on? Yep. They put on, like, the suit, like the chaos. Dad, why are you sucking Uncle Peter's dog? Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. These are characters. Peter Havoc? What was his name? Oh it. These are characters. Peter Havoc? What was his name? Carl Havoc. Carl Havoc. Give it. What if they put on a Carl Havoc mask and like full body?

Like, all right, I guess we got to go do OnlyFans. This is a living. This is a living. Jeez. We know it. You guys like that heated pool in the back, don't you? Golly. What a run.

Yeah. They're not done. What are you talking about? They're right in the middle. It's not a run. What are you talking Golly. What a run. Yeah. They're not done. What are you talking about? They're right in the middle. It's not a run. What are you talking about? Scratching the surface. I'll say one word and you will finish the line. Island boy. They're on a run. They took over.

And then everyone, the photos of when their kids came out and that was even crazier. Oh yeah. Added a whole different aspect to it. It did. Holy shit. Okay. All right, we're back tomorrow. Now the name makes sense.

Really good show. Yeah, interesting island. I'm taking these out so I can't hear. Talking about Coney. It's been a good show. Thank you, AJ. Can't hear you. Be a friend.

Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life, all right? Including the island boys. Yeah, that's right. That's true. Somebody needs to tell them something nice. Comment. What's that? Like, subscribe, comment something nice might change their life all right including the island boys yeah that's right that's true somebody needs to tell them something comment what's that like subscribe comment something nice maybe that's on tiktok come on guys why aren't you guys liking this get the 50 we had a call with people at tiktok and they uh we're like all right cool we're on here

what uh how do we potentially go about doing the tiktok they're like need tell your fans need you to comment show's not going forward until we get 10,000 likes. It's like, I don't know if we're going to do that. You're going to call China? I can't hear you. They're reinventing the wheel.

He said, oh, you had a call with the Chai Comps? Yeah. It was a Zoom call. I don't know what Zoom's in on, but I'll tell you what, we did not get far in that conversation. No.

But we're on TikTok, I think. Yep. We are. Not in that conversation. No. But we're on TikTok, I think. Yep. We are. Not on my phone. No. Not on my phone. Not now, not never. I just don't need another thing in my life right now.

I don't need China. I can't imagine how mean they are to me on TikTok. Jesus Christ. You've got the old whites on there. It's killing me. And then the youngs on TikTok. This guy fucking sucks. Good vibes on TikTok, actually.

They're talented. They are mean. These kids are mean cusses. This guy fucking sucks. These young kids are mean. They're talented. These kids are mean cusses. They're talented. But those old Watts still got a pretty good little fastball whenever they need it. They do let me know. It's not just the Southern Watts that hate you. That was one of my favorite responses.

That was very clever. They played off me. They listened to my words. Hold on, fuck boy. I got a little bit more. It's going to be a great football season. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.

Goodbye.