The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 977 - Trenches Wednesday With Jason Kelce, JJ Watt, Cris Carter, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

On today's show, Pat, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Kareem Hunt signing with the Browns and why he's a perfect fit for Cleveland, internal strife going on in Chicago, Kyle Shanahan's thoughts on Thursday Night Football games, Matt LaFleur commenting on David Bakhtiari's knee, and everything else happening around the NFL as we approach week 3. Joining the progrum to chat about his career, his new documentary, how he embodies the city of Philadelphia, his relationship with Nick Sirianni and more is Super Bowl Champion, 6x Pro Bowler, 5x All-Pro, one of if not the greatest center's of all-time, and co-host of the #1 podcast in the country, Jason Kelce (12:08-34:17). Next, 3x DPOY, Walter Payton Man of the Year, 5x Pro Bowler, 7x All-Pro, future Hall of Famer, JJ Watt joins the show for his weekly spot to chat about TJ's massive performance against the Browns, why he thinks TJ and Alex Highsmith are the best edge rushing duo in the NFL, his thoughts on Micah Parsons, the differences between playing on the interior of the d-line and on the edges, why he loves Brock Purdy, and more (1:07:23-1:43:51). Later, Hall of Famer, 8x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, and Walter Payton Man of the Year, Cris Carter joins the show to chat about Marvin Harrison Jr.'s skillset, why young receivers are so good when coming into the NFL, his relationship with Justin Jefferson, his thoughts on Tyreek Hill, and much more (2:11:18-2:38:01). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sports! Sports! Sports! Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Trenches Wednesday, September 20th, 2023, this sports program starts now. Football! It's what we chat about, and it's glorious Wednesday. That means the week behind us is just too far away.

The week ahead of us is around the corner, but it's a little bit far. So today, we'll enjoy conversations about all the happenings around the NFL with some breaking news. A new contract signed in the Cleveland Browns organization. A man who used to be on their team then went and sought his way around the NFL to see if any other teams wanted services.

Goes back to the Cleveland Browns and Kareem Hunt. Here we go. Running back that was a free agent there for a bit. Visited New Orleans and came to the Indianapolis Colts as we are dealing with our Jonathan Taylor running back situation. And in the end, after Nick Chubb's devastating injury on Monday Night Football, Kareem Hunt goes back to the Browns, a system that he knows very well, and we assume he'll be able to pick up right where he left off.

Now, Ford will also get the rocket strong. We'll probably get the ball as well. But Kareem Hunt certainly adds another element to the Browns after they lose their stud, their star, their focal point in Nick Chubb in devastating fashion. We're happy for Kareem Hunt. We're pumped for him. What does that mean for everything else going around the NFL?

We will chat about it. The Talks and Table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Cowboys turn. Diggs is here. Nine-year NFL vet. All good. Host of NFL matchups, which is on ESPN The Ocho, ESPN News, ESPN Plus, ESPN 2, ESPN U.

He's also on some man-to-man podcasts. Yesterday, Everything DB. Ladies and gentlemen, every Monday through Wednesday, Darius J. Butler. And every Wednesday on this beautiful Trenches Wednesday, his guy who hosts In the Trenches, which will happen in the third hour today, where we'll break down some of the big boys from around the NFL to see who we're liking and who we're not

liking. Ladies and gentlemen, 12-year NFL vet, Super Bowl champion, both player and a coach, AQ Shipley. AQ, what have we not talked about this week on this particular program that maybe you saw and you think that there needs to be a little bit more attention to? Well, I think Darius and I talked a little bit about before the show,

scheme means everything. And that's what we're going to talk a little bit about later. What McVay, Shanahan, McDaniel, not the S, McDaniel, not McDaniel. Got it? Yeah, because McDaniels lose to Bills big. McDaniel runs the buzzsaw in Miami. Bingo. And Artie Smith.

And Artie Smith. See, what's happening is those guys are doing such a good job with the guys up front, and they're not putting the line in one-on-one situations all day long, and that is why they're able to do so many good things on offense because they can run the ball, and then they put their offensive line in positions where they don't have to be in one-on-one pass protection all game long.

Yeah, because some of these coaches, you see an offensive line that is maybe terrible, and it's like, well, they're set up to be terrible here. We're not running the rock ever. You're not allowing the offensive lineman to have any type of leverage pre-snap. There's no movement that maybe even shifts the D-line right before a snap so they're not just ears pinned back

off and running. Speaking of, we'll have J.J. Watt join us today. We've got a lot of his film that he wants to kind of break down around the NFL. I believe it's going to be a little bit of Micah. I believe it's going to be a little bit of TJ. I believe it's going to be a little bit about the Miami Dolphins defense down there. I believe there's going to be some

chitter-chatter about that and also some historic references in there. We've got Jason Kelsey joining us. Yeah. Hell yeah. Okay. Come on. Is this the first time he's been on the show? I think so.

Yeah. Obviously, we've been a fan of his from afar. The Kelsey family is beautiful. They're a couple of Ohio folks. Folks. Guys. Dogs. There it is.

That is what. Yeah. They're Ohio dogs who have obviously gone on to do great things. I watched a Kelsey documentary last night on Amazon Prime. He's legend. So good. Absolute legend. They tell his life story, obviously, but then they chit-chat about him being like the most

revered Philadelphia Eagles player in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles. He is beloved over there, and there's easy reason why. On the field, he's incredible at what he does. Undersized, which I think Philadelphia appreciates because they have that underdog mentality, but he also fights through everything. The first scene of this documentary is pretty much all the injuries that he has.

Okay, I got an elbow, two fingers, a knee, a hip, my foot, my ankle currently broke right now, toes. He's doing everything and then still fighting through, and they go all the way to the Super Bowl. And then they launched the New Heights podcast between the two of them, and it's the number one sports podcast on earth for good reason. They have incredible personalities.

So Jason Kelsey will be on today in about 15 minutes. I do believe he confirmed some news on a morning show this morning in Philadelphia. Yes, he did. About his brother's dating life. Really? We will not make that the focal point of our conversation with Jason Kelsey, although we will throw, you know. A couple lines.

At least a question or two about it. And he could have been trolling. We all understand that that is something that Ohio football guys could potentially do. But Jason Kelsey will be joining us today. J.J. Watt will be joining us today. Chris Carter will be joining us today. And then tomorrow, Travis Kelsey.

Okay. Okay, so we got a little Kelsey party here in the middle of the week we're very lucky for. So, you know, I assume there's going to be some things that come out about football, out of all these conversations, out of pop culture. There it is. Out of all these conversations and everything else. I would recommend the Jason Kelsey documentary, though, on Prime. I think they got incredible access.

They showcased a lot of good things. And his family was really cool to watch you know he's got two little baby girls as somebody who has a baby girl right now that is not at the stage of doing what his girls were doing all it did was just make me pumped and excited about what is to come and also have nothing but respect for him the man the football player the husband the dad you name it i love this guy we're lucky to be chatting with him here in a little bit let Let's talk about some news around the NFL. I alluded to it. Kareem Hunt signs a one-year deal to go back to the Cleveland Browns worth up to $4 million.

Now, we didn't know what the market was for Kareem Hunt, especially after the Dalvin Cook deal, Saquon situation, Josh Jacobs situation, Jonathan Taylor situation, Najee Harris situation, everything going on in the running back market. We didn't know if Kareem Hunt was holding out for big money. He gets a $4 million deal. He goes back to a system he knows. This feels like the right play for the Cleveland Browns.

Obviously, losing Nick Chubb is a heartbreaker. Kareem Hunt back there made sense immediately. Absolutely. Nick Chubb is my favorite running back in the NFL. The way he runs the ball with that offensive line is incredible. The scheme Kareem Hunt already knows. He's a dog. He was one of the best in the league for a long time.

He goes back to a system in which he knows. You put him right in there, and he is going to make a difference immediately. I think he's an Ohio guy too, right? Isn't that a thing? Toledo. He's from Ohio, I do believe. He is born and bred in the elements. He hasn't made great decisions all the time,

but whenever he's on a football field, he's very good. Normally a part of a tandem back then. Yes. Normally a part of a duo. He'll be the focal point now, Deebo. What do you think? Yeah, we assume so.

And, you know, you got Ford in there, obviously, so give him probably a couple weeks to get his legs up under him. You know, no training camp. We would think that he's been taking care of himself, you know, as a pro away from the building. But I think it's a win-win. You get a guy who, once again, knows the system, who can not only run the ball, but he's good out of the backfield as well. You can dump it down to him as a pro away from the building. But I think it's a win-win. You get a guy who, once again, knows the system, who can not only run the ball, but he's good out of the backfield as well.

You can dump it down to him as a receiver. And now, you know, one year, prove it deal for him. A guy that's not that old, and maybe he should get some more money on the open market next year. I thought he was coming to the Colts. Yeah, I thought he was coming to the Colts. Colts obviously have a chance to go on to win a championship. You know, we have the same record as the Browns.

That's true. So, everybody needs to make sure we keep things under control whenever we're talking about expectations to where you lose Nick Chubb. One guy going to be able to come in and fix it? No. Maybe a group of people will be able to do it. Kareem just sitting there, though, on the market, knowing their offense. I assume Andrew Barry, the GM over there, was like,

got to do it, got to make it happen. I wonder if Kareem knew that, though, right? Yeah, exactly. Leverage-wise, you know, you guys need me right now. I got other offers on the table, too. The Saints, they flew me all the way down there. I didn't go in their building. You know why? Because the Colts called me and said, hey, don't go in our building. I got

a good offer for you up here in Indianapolis. Now, he comes to Indianapolis. Colts let him out of the building. No deal in sight. No conversation either. Then they were talking about, well, maybe it's a physical. Maybe he didn't pass physical. Maybe he's not in good shape. Maybe it was a contract dispute. Whatever the case was, Colts and Kareem Hunt were not able to get a deal done.

He goes over to Cleveland. And then there was reports he's working out right now. And then there was no news. So then it started on the internet. People started, oh, he must not be in shape. There must be some sort of physical issue because of what happened at Indianapolis. Then whenever they sign him and announce him i assume that was a weight off of kareem hunt shoulders too now the game's over now we're not playing the field anymore

now we're not working angles leverage things we're back in the right spot good for kareem hunt yeah and he's the opposite of jerome ford and pierre strong like pierre strong he was drafted to new england and he's always been a scat back he i think he ran like a 4-2-8 at the combine. Yeah, flies. He was the fastest running back last year. And Jerome Ford, I mean, allegedly they've loved him since they won. They wanted him to be kind of that third down roll. So Hunt's the

opposite. I mean, you can put him in third and one, short yardage gains obviously, but then they'll probably still give Ford a lot of time. It almost feels like he's still the starter, and Cream's coming in to be that number two like he was with Chubb. Pass protection, too. He knows all of that, and all the other guys are younger, too.

And he was their third down back with Chubb there, so he's obviously really good at pass protection and stuff like that. So I assume that's a huge part of it, too, because their pass protection, as far as the running back was concerned, was not great when Chubb went out. Yeah, and Deshaun Watson, you know. Oh, yeah. He looked better.

He can move. He looked better. I feel like each game he has looked better. When will he get back to the Deshaun Watson that was being told, like, hey, you are being wasted here in Houston with how talented you are, how great you are, how everything that you do on a football field. Yes. A little caveat. Has to be chatting about that. with how talented you are, how great you are, how everything that you do on a football field. Okay? Yes.

A little caveat. It has to be chatting about that. Two years off, though. Long time. That's a long time. I don't want to bring this up just because everybody brings it up all the time about quarterbacks, but if Colin Kaepernick, who people still are saying, hey, he deserves a shot, he deserves a shot,

he's been out for, what, eight years? Long time. If you can stay in game shape and like mental sharpness shape for eight years without being in a building and still be NFL ready, like hell, that's like the greatest superhero of all time.

That's why I hope like there comes a time where a team says, yeah, alright, we'll do it. Here you go. Colin Kaepernick's out there and if he proves that he's been able to remain you know what I mean? Like, I hope a team goes, yeah, all right. Doubt it. We'll do it.

We'll put him right in the Hall of Fame if he plays well. If he plays well after an eight-year hiatus, it would be one of the most impressive things of all time. You see guys miss one year, never be able to get back there. Like that two years he was out pretty much, and then everything that was going on, and he has not been able to find. Will he be able to get back to it, I wonder? He's still young enough to be able to do it.

But two years away from a building, away from a game, away from the discipline, away from the pressures of going through – it's like it's a different ballgame. I mean, just playing football. Yeah. Even like, you know, Dalvin Cook, who's been great for a long time in the league. You know, he missed training camp. He still doesn't really look like himself yet because that's why it's so impressive that a guy like Nick Bosa or Chris Jones should get out there. I know they're playing D-line. It's different, but just get out there and hit

the ground running. That's hard to do. I don't care how hard you work out, what type of workouts you do. There's nothing like actually playing live rep football. So it's going to be tough to do. But I mean, Desha before you know we saw him playing in houston when he got his second till he was a top easily a top three to five quarterback still young you gotta think at some point you can figure it out but you know that that clock is ticking bro two years away from the game coming back is a lot we started asking a question when he was one year yeah when he was one like six months removed he wasn't even practicing remember he was showing up at practices wearing a red wasn't even on the field. This is before everything just sitting there.

And it's like, alright, is this guy, is he throwing a football anywhere? Like, I know he's not doing it at the practice. Is he working himself? And then one thing leads to another. Then we start learning more and more. It's like, well, this is super serious. This is very, very bad stuff going on. And then two years happen and they're like, alright, now you're back in. It's like,

if he was able to pick that up, that would have been incredible. Just like Cap, just like all these people. Hopefully, it's nothing for Kareem and he's dropped back in. It's like, if he was able to pick that up, that would have been incredible. Just like Cap, just like all these people. Hopefully, it's nothing for Kareem, and he's dropped back in. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who is going to go down as, you know, the original capital of the United States of America. Right. Is the city in Pennsylvania called Philadelphia. And if you know Philadelphia, you know it's a sports city.

I mean, they love their sports over there. This guy, from the way it looks like to me while watching a documentary, is the most well-liked guy in the history of sports in the history of Philadelphia. For good reason. On the field, going to go down as the greatest of all time. If not one, then two.

Who's doing the arguing? I'll say one. Somebody else might have other things. Brings a championship to Philadelphia. Gives one of the greatest Super Bowl parade speeches of all time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now he has the number one sports podcast on earth with his brother. Ladies and gentlemen, just an Ohio dog. Jason

Kelsey. Hello, Ninja Pat. I appreciate that. Hey, I think this is your first time on the show, man. I'm jacked up. The boys are jacked up. We appreciate you making time. Jason, we do yeah i'm happy we finally got this together uh been a long time waiting for this one so i watched thanks for having me no problem thank you for joining us i watched a documentary last night uh on prime to

prepare for this and i was only going to watch five to ten minutes or whatever i was going to try to get to bed early you know i am a girl dead now got a busy stuff i'm trying to fall asleep i was captivated by it man this was very very well done I assume you had some fears when you signed up for doing something like this as intrusive as it was and then once you saw the outcome of it I assume you had to be happy about it yeah I mean you know I think when we first signed up to do it we're actually gonna do it on a like transitioning out of the NFL was the idea you know I mean I mean, I didn't know what I was going to do after football, still don't really know fully what I was going to do. And I think, you know, as we kind of went through it, we felt like we had a story with last season alone and we ended

up getting NFL films on board. A bunch of people fell into place where, you know, it felt like there was a really, really good story as is with the family, with the fans, my wife, my kid, everything. So it all kind of fell in differently than we expected. But you're right. Yeah. I was nervous up until the premiere, the launch day. Like, you know, on some level, you're happy with it and that's enough. But you're also still kind of, you know, what are people going to think?

You know, this is we put ourselves out there. We try to be as real as possible. And we're definitely happy with the reception it's got. I mean, literally you with your ankle playing with your kids, not being able to move. Like people see that and they're like, okay, we appreciate what these guys are putting themselves through to entertain all of us. And the way you've maintained just so much energy and a positive attitude and loyalty and your style of play is one where you've got to be fast.

I had no idea your ankle was as bad as it was last year in that documentary with how you played on the field. And you said, I'm full of a bunch of anti-inflammatoriesatories i think that's why the end is near toward all is the greatest can't beat that it is was that all season though because i don't know if the doc covered all season your ankle seemed to be like very very very bad it it was a it was a grade two maybe like a grade two, maybe like a grade one plus high ankle, right? So luckily I've torn that ligament before. So when it tears for a second time, it doesn't really swell up as much. But, you know, it was bad during the week.

On game day, as you know, you get it to where it needs to be. Luckily, I'm not a receiver or a running back. I have to do all this cutting. I can kind of tape that thing up there pretty rock solid and just make sure. No, we don't believe that. You're running like a running back every single play. That's why the Eagles offense is what it is.

So I just want to let you know, very impressed with your toughness and very appreciative of everything. I think we just lost power. Yes, we did. Yeah, but you're still on. Clock went out as well for a second. Yeah, it's good. Who knows if we're out there or not.

Did you see that? I did. You brought the electricity down over here with how great you are. Whoa. So let's talk about one last thing from the documentary. Your wife and you telling your story of how you guys come together, obviously, is awesome you know meeting on tinder yeah go ahead a tale as old as times you know it really is but i want to let you know

this and i assume you've heard this because of her appearance on new heights and everything like that but like my wife massive fan of your wife i think everybody's everybody that's ever played in the nfl their significant others massive fans of your wife their significant others, massive fans of your wife. I think the world, big fans of your wife. Now, we are wondering if your wife is enjoying the celebrity status. Is she going to take over the world? It feels like she is maybe one of the coolest humans walking this earth, and you, the same thing.

We've got a celebrity power couple between you two. Everybody talking about your brother obviously you are as well but everybody's talking about you too you you and your wife are becoming a celebrity couple right now as we speak i think pal yeah i'm the ian rapaport travis kelsey right now no i think uh my uh my wife is uh she's been in hiding for a long time i think one of the best things about the documentary is that everybody got to see just everything she does, everything she goes through, and the tremendous person and wife that she is. And, you know, I don't think she's, I don't know if she's happy or upset about it. She's not the type of person that likes the spotlight. She's not the type of person that seeks that out.

She's not the type of person that seeks that out. But I think that it's awesome the amount of reception she's gotten and the amount of other wives, moms out there, wives out there that have been able to, I don't know, assimilate or what's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, you get it. Yeah. Yeah. Relate. Relate. There we go.

Relate with her. And I think a lot of people saw that. So, okay. So let's talk about this. You're going to the hall of fame and every hall of fame speech involves a guy saying to their wife, I wasn't around enough. I do apologize to their kids.

I wasn't around enough. I do apologize. It feels like watching you at home. That's a massive deciding factor on how long you're going to play for alongside your body as well. You were talking about retiring going into last year with how it went and reception and how you played. You're back again. Is that just going to be an every-year thing that you're going to have

to think about or how are you going to process that? Yeah, I'm going to take it one at a time. One at a time, just feel where we're at physically mentally um you know emotionally and whether it's you can make that type of commitment uh because it does take away from your family especially when you take in all the other things that i'm doing off the field um and you know being around family as as you just said pat there's so many of our colleagues coaches uh players um that weren't around their families or weren't able to compete and succeed at the highest level.

And that happens, I'd imagine, in anything, not just football, right? You want to be the best at anything in the world. It takes time and commitment. And I think that balance of being there for my family, being there for the girls and my wife is the number one most important thing to me. And as long as I still feel like I can do that while also selfishly a little bit striving to compete and be the best in the world at something, I'm going to try and do that. But once you get married, once you have kids, all that other stuff

takes a big time second seat in my opinion. Yeah, I agree with you., once you get married, once you have kids, all that other stuff takes a big-time second seat, in my opinion. Yeah, I agree with you. And watching you and your kids was cool. I just had my first daughter, so watching you interact, and you're obviously incredibly sore. You turned a corner in the kitchen, I think, and started yelling at one of your daughters. I was like, this guy loves being a dad, man.

Like, I can't wait to do that. I was enjoying it. But let's talk about on the football field. A.Q. Shipley, who's a big fan of yours, has a question for you, Jason. AQ, what up? What's up, Jason? Good to see you. Obviously, you know the respect I have for you. But one of the questions, you got Tampa Bay this week. You got Vita Veya. We all know about Vita Veya. He's an absolute monster. You've played against him before. You've played against the Aaron Donald types. Let's go into your mind a little bit. Can you talk a little bit about how does your mindset and technique change from week to week when you're going against an Aaron Donald body type

and then a Vita Vea body type? Well, I was actually hoping you'd give me some technique, seeing as you were teammates with the guy. There's not much you can do for Vita, but I think you're always assessing what type of player the guy is, what are his strengths, what are his skill sets, what moves does he like to do. Every technique that offensive lineman has kind of has a weakness,

has a weak spot. So when you're playing a player, you're trying to factor in, okay, is this a power guy? If he's power, I can go for leverage right away, try and stop his momentum, get him situated at the line of scrimmage. Maybe that'll negate some of that. If it's a speed guy, a finesse guy, he's trying to work edges, you know, I can sit back a little bit more, get ready to move my feet and stay in front of them

and maybe go with a little bit wider hands. The guys that are tricky, unfortunately, the guys that have both of those and, and Vita is certainly, although he's 350 plus, he's got plenty of quickness and agility at the same time, which is why he's such a perennial player that he is. It's going to be a match back and forth all game, I'm sure. He's one of the guys that you look forward to going to because it's going to be a test. And yeah, I think you kind of go into it getting ready to see how the game unfolds, go into it with a strategy and then see how it's playing out. The guys tell you how much they enjoy your podcast

whenever you're playing against them? Like Vita Veya and you, ah! And he's like, hey, it was a good podcast. Is that happening? Dude, they do. It is weird. It is weird in the middle of the game, other guys bringing up the podcast. Like Judon didn't really mention it during the game,

but immediately following the last play was right on top of it. I mean, it's been cool to see the respect and the amount of other guys across the league that enjoy the clips and watching the show for sure. Yeah, it's awesome. It's an incredible night. Your show is awesome. Like in the documentary, you show you filming the first one. And at the end, which I appreciated, you said,

for those that watch this whole thing, like, we're sorry. Because we feel that way about this show still to this day. But you said, like, you said, we're going to get better at this. And I want to let you know, I don't know if you got better or if you just did the same thing for the amount of stuff. You guys got, like, the greatest show going. And I don't think you expected that, truly. I don't think you genuinely thought that was going to be the case after watching it all unfold behind the scenes

yeah definitely not i mean we we struck lightning in a bottle but you know both of our teams go to the super bowl in year one that definitely helps uh viewers pretty cool viewership out but you know i think we didn't know what to expect we knew that we were getting involved to the company and production team that was really savvy with social media and making these clips and everything to get it that it was going to get seen. We didn't know if we were going to be any good at it. We definitely didn't think we were any good at it. Still don't know if we're good at it. People seem to like it.

Yeah, you are. You are. You're great. You're great. Not just good. It's great. But, you know, I think, you know know we've been talking about that for a number of years starting a show or starting a podcast and uh you know seeing guys like you seeing bussing

seeing a lot of players that went on to start their own thing in the media world and have so much success kind of gave us the you know hey man let's just freaking do this man let's let's i feel like it's gonna be fun if it's successful you know that's great if it's not successful hey we're just chopping it up anyway so i think uh i mean dude seeing the success that you guys have had a lot of the former former players current players doing it uh it's been uh it's been awesome man and it's only going to keep happening so it's great yeah we're gonna pave the way pat no shut up i'm serious man stop stop jason stop i don't need to hear that it's hard to believe when was the last time we actually ran

into each other was it at the pro bowl in like arizona or like i don't know we were chopping it up and then it might have been super bowl every time we've been around yeah we have drank every single time well that's a common theme anywhere I'm at, but it's been remarkable seeing this man, so well done, brother. Well, I appreciate that. Very lucky for it, but I think there's so many guys that are talented at it, and I think if we can be something that'll help people say like, yeah, if that show can do it,

we can do it. I appreciate being that. I'm lucky to be that, but we're thankful that your show has come into the football world. It's been fantastic. A really, I mean, lightning in a bottle for sure, but also like you're like greatest center of all time. He's like greatest tight end of all time. That's also potential lightning in a bottle.

There's just like so many things that kind of stack on top of each other. We're appreciative of you doing it. Let's go back to Philadelphia now. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Jason, last year we had Coach Sirianni on, and we mentioned you and he kind of said you know it was when you didn't know if it you know taking it year by year he basically said like hey i'll i'll do whatever it takes to make sure he comes back he said that however many kegs of beer he needed to get you like he was going to make sure he did that to get it done so i'm just curious has he made good on that and also

what evolution have you seen in him from that first press conference where everyone's kind of like oh man this guy certainly appears to be a doofus he doesn't look like he knows what he's doing until now and and he's one of the most respected coaches in the nfl you know i think um first of all he has made good each and every offseason so far i've gotten a keg and it's set out back and it's gotten plenty of use in those early months trying to decide so I appreciate that from from coach Sirianni but you know I think that first press conference it's funny looking back um you know when nobody really knew who Nick was or how he worked or how he operated and um you know got absolutely destroyed

by the Philadelphia media which that's really easy to do. Not just the Philadelphia media. Oh, yeah, that's fair. But, you know, it's funny because the way he did that press conference kind of epitomizes a little bit how he is as a coach. And, dude, he's just always going, always where it's almost like his mouth can't catch up to like where his brain is going in the conversation a little bit and you see that a lot i guess when guys are doing their first press conference for sure but man every we have some of the most purposeful meaningful team meetings he's always never missing

a point to make a coaching point whether it's about game management whether it's about uh plays we're running like he. He says it so much that he can ask Fletcher Cox sometimes, what play you think we're running? And Fletch knows. You know what I mean? It's this constant, he just loves coaching ball. He's a football guy. He loves being around the team. He loves being in the position he's in. And it comes through and comes across in everything he does. And I'm really happy for the amount of success we've had so far with him and just that everybody's gotten to witness kind of who he is firsthand. Now, with that being said, Connor has a question for you.

Yeah, Jason, obviously now that you guys went to the Super Bowl last year, the expectations in Philly are a little different. I think we can all acknowledge the fact that the Philadelphia 76ers have had a lot of expectations and it hasn't gone exactly perfect and the fans don't react exactly perfect. And in your first home game last week, end of the first quarter, you're up 3-0.

Start to hear some boos. How has that been in Philly now that you guys are every single year, hey, Super Bowl or bust? And at some points on the bench, you're like, all right, guys, like Jesus Christ, we're winning this game. Can we just relax in the stands a little bit or what? I mean, you know, I'm used to it.

I've been in Philly for my 13th season. I remember the first home game back after 2017 year when we won the Super Bowl, getting booed that first home game. I mean, the Philadelphia fans and media are not going to sugarcoat anything. They're going to tell you how you feel. If you're not performing well, if you're not doing things up to the standard that we all hold ourselves to, you're going to be let known of that very vibrantly.

So, you know, it's a diehard blue-coll collar sports town that demands excellence, perfection from its sports teams. It demands hard work. It demands energy. It demands a certain mentality. And, you know, the expectations are whatever. I try to avoid that. You know, Nick preaches that, you know, we're climbing a mountain.

We're starting at the bottom of it. Every day you got to earn it. Every practice you got to earn it. Every practice you got to earn it. You come out. And right now we have not performed up to our expectations through the first two weeks. And obviously not the fans' expectations through the first two weeks. So it's something that we're continually going to try and improve on

and get back to playing at the level we know we can play. We got the horses to do it. We got the guys to do it. In our mind, it's only a matter of time before it starts clicking again the way it has in the past. I think we got better week one to week two, especially offensively. So, you know, I look forward to getting back in there tomorrow and getting ready for this Monday game.

Hey, 13 years in Philly, 13 years in the NFL at a very high level. Like, what is it about some teams that just kind of got to refine it? Because we look at your pieces, we're like, all right, everybody's back seemingly, so they should just pick up right where they were last year. What do you think about that kind of take, and why is it not like that? Well, no two-year, no year is going to be the same. Defenses have adjusted. All the teams that were playing have made acquisitions, coaching changes.

They've changed their philosophy slightly. They may be greatly, you know, defenses are going to be different this year. Offenses are going to be different. This is the way the league works. It's constantly evolving. There's so many factors that take place that are necessary to go to a Super Bowl or win a Super Bowl, right? And, like, you you got to be healthy. You got to have great players offensively and defensively across the board.

You have to have a great quarterback. You have to have coaches that are ahead of the game a little bit. Yeah. I mean, there's all these things that are necessary for you to be the best in the world. It's not just any one thing. And, you know, we have all of these pieces. I firmly believe that. But getting them all gelling the way they were last year at the end of the year,

that takes some time and that takes – and it's going to continue to be a process throughout the year. Teams that are doing great right now, you know, they're going to have to keep staying on top of it to be where they want to be at the end of the year, just like we got to be to be where we want to be at the end of the year. So I think it's – there's so many different things that need to happen for you to reach your full potential as a team and as a unit.

And, you know, we're starting over at square one. Doesn't matter who's coming back. Doesn't matter, you know, what coaches are here, what players are here, who's leading the front office. It always starts over. Hey, listening to your press conferences throughout the year last year, you sound like this grumpy old man, you know? It was like these press conferences, they're in the middle,

they're like intermittently placed through the dock. And at the beginning, it was just like not playing great. They're like, we might be. I don't know. But I think those types of situations are why you are beloved by the city of Philadelphia so much. I don't think I fully comprehended that. I assumed that a human like you would be loved in any city that you play at because you're hardworking, white, hilarious, white, drink beers, white, greatest in your position, white.

So I assume you'd be loved anywhere. But it feels like you and Philadelphia are like a perfect marriage. Obviously, you feel that way. And when did it start being like that? You know, when I got drafted to Philadelphia, my agent, Jason Bernstein, immediately said, you know, you're going to fit in fucking great here, man. You're going to love Philadelphia. Sorry, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that. Your language is terrible.

But that wasn't you. That was him. That was Bernstein. There we go. This is a verbatim. What do him. That was Bernstein. There you go. Yeah, that's right. This is a verbatim. Yeah, what do you want? We're journalists.

Sorry. But, you know, being from Cleveland, right, being from a steel town, Pittsburgh-only, like being from an industrial blue-collar area, I think there's a lot of similarities from where I come from and what I enjoyed out of the athletes that I rooted for growing up and what I held as to, you know, the qualities and things that rang true to me, hard work, aggression, wear your heart on your sleeve, all of these things translate to the city of Philadelphia, just like they translate to a lot of these blue collar cities that were the backbone of this country for a long time. Isn't it awesome to your brother is like a blue collar dude who just so happens to have a ridiculous fashion.

Yeah. He's got both. Trav is quite the chameleon, man. He can, he can fit in with any crowd, man. And I think that's why the New Heights podcast is amazing. I think you guys need to keep going, and we can't wait to watch you play center for the Philadelphia Eagles for another 10 years.

Hell yeah. 10 more games. You're the man. Hey, have a great day. We appreciate you taking some time here. Pat, man, it's been an honor. Anytime you need me, man, I'd be happy to come on. I appreciate it.

Take care, brother. Hey, this was it. We found a picture, by the way. AQ found us. AQ's been an honor. Anytime you need me, man, I'd be happy to come on. I appreciate it. Take care, brother. Hey, this was it. We found a picture, by the way. AQ found us. AQ's at 320 there. Yeah! There we go. Yeah, you and AQ play the same position there.

I know. Not anymore. It's reversed now. Now AQ's all skinny up, man. He looks good. What do you weigh, Jason? What do you weigh? About 300 right now i'm heavier

than i've been in the past yeah as i get older it gets easier to hold the weight on but in that picture i think that was like right end of the chip kelly era i was probably 275 i'm not lying damn like might be yeah 25 yeah he was not in the chip kelly era all right we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Have a great day, ladies and gentlemen. Future Hall of Famer, Goat, host of New Heights Podcast, and also the subject of the greatest talk I've seen in some time on Prime, Kelsey, ladies and gentlemen, Jason Kelsey.

Yeah, Kelsey! He swore on our show, but it wasn't him. It was his agent. Exactly. That's what happens to you sometimes, too. Yeah, I quote coaches. And then all of a sudden, you know. What are you going to do?

Coaches and agents. they have potty mouth. But at the beginning of the show, I mean, it's very clear to say, hey, that's how adults talk. Exactly. You know, speaking of adults talking, let's go to Kyle Shanahan chit-chatting about Thursday Night Football as a whole. And thank you to Jason, by the way. Thank you, Jason.

Everything I said about him in there is true. Yes. I genuinely love that dude. I love his family. I appreciate the fact that new heights podcast has had the success that it's had because it makes me laugh like yeah i watch clips of it i enjoy it and i've known them for a long time me and travis have known each other a long time jason and i have known each other a while and uh seeing what they have done not only because

they're electrifying and blue collar folks which i think we are immediately attracted to which is that type of thing but like greatest identical time yeah greatest center of all can i say he's the greatest center of all time aq he's in that conversation who else would be in there i mean there's so many guys in the old days i mean you could throw pouncey in that conversation right he had a great career i mean it's mike webster rest in peace keep going keep. He overset some guys. Dermot Dawson. Dirk? Yeah. See how I keep using this microphone?

Yeah, it's not plugged in. Just a gimmick. Pretty good. But he's in the conversation, for sure. Yeah, there's going to be people that are going to argue, I guess, because their favorite center is doing whatever. Yeah. But, like, he's the guy, right?

He does everything. Power. He can pull better than most people have. He can pull better than most tackles, right? He's super athletic he's he's powerful when you watch him play i mean even when he was 275 watching the leg drive in the run game it's incredible he's so consistent and the big thing we talk about is being available i mean the guy's always and we didn't even talk about the tush push at all 92 success that's right literally over his ass right Right. You know what I mean? That is him having to do it. This year, did you see?

They did it a little different this year. Yeah. He delayed. So last year, the big thing was he's going to get underneath everybody because of how athletic he is. This year, he's letting them try to get under, and then he is just moving them like this. I was like, oh, that's like, you know,

they say this tush push is rugby and amateur and bush league and everything like that. It's like, actually, it seems like they have a couple different ways to go about it. There's levels to this shit whenever it comes to that. And that's all because Jason Kelsey, I assume. The reason why they're doing that is because he has the ability to do something better than every other center has ever been able to do in the past. He's incredible at that.

And that whole group has been incredible. I mean, that group's been together for a while. The O-line coach has been there, and the stability there has been incredible. And when you get that wedge, everybody goes towards the center, so you create this just V gap. It's incredible. Flying V. Yeah, it's incredible.

I've seen it. Quack, quack. How good was that? Oh, my God. Every time. When they started skating. Yep. Oh, my God.

And finding that formation. Conway leading the break. Oh, my God. Passing the puck. Game, set, match. Yeah my God. And finding that formation. Conway leading the break. Oh, my God. Passing the puck. Game, set, match. Yeah. God. The goalie's the shooter.

What a good idea. I know. Genius. Crazy that they could actually get his pads on during that timeout, have him switch out of his gear into the goalie pads. And then the other team not notice. Exactly. Because those, I mean, I don't know the hockey community well enough.

It seems like they're a bunch of dipshits. They couldn't tell that that was not the... In football, that would be like, hey, brand new goalie. Think we just got to dump one on net. We're going to be good. Wait, that's the shooter. Somebody would have been able to know. The previous goalie was a white guy and now he's black. What the hell's going on?

None of the parents in the crowd never said anything. That's crazy to look back on. I'm happy the Ducks won. They were playing against a bunch of idiots. They didn't. That's crazy to look back on. Fools. I'm happy the Ducks won. I mean, they were playing against a bunch of idiots. Yeah. They didn't even study film. Man, that's unbelievable. I know.

No one talks about that. How about Bombay? What a coach. What a coach. I was forced into it, too. All right. Absolute tactician. He was bad, though.

Yeah, absolutely. That's why he was there. I mean, sometimes. Sometimes. Oh, he wanted to drink a little soon. Sometimes you got to drink a few dragons before you can get to your princess. There you go. That's why he was there. I mean, sometimes... Oh, he wanted to drink a little soon. Sometimes you gotta drink a few dragons before you can get to your princess. You know what I mean? That's right. He had to drink his dragons and demons down so that he

would find his actual purpose and calling. And that was coaching a hockey team that was playing against a bunch of stupid hockey teams. They are so dumb. They didn't notice that that was... How about the Bash Brothers do it? Oh, man. God, you need them on your team. Setting the tone? Yes. You need them setting the tone. You've been asking that for Sid for years now. Yeah, can we just hire a Bash Brothers for Sidney Crosby?

Just don't want to get too far off topic, even though we've gone pretty far here. Sidney Crosby's delivering season tickets to Pittsburgh Penguins fans around the city of Pittsburgh. That was cool. That's why the Pittsburgh Penguins are the greatest organization in the entire NHL. You'd never see the stupid Detroit Red Wings doing something like that. You know why?

Because nobody's buying season tickets. That's why. Take it easy. Hockey season's coming up, but we're not there yet. I actually love this move by Sid, though. I have to admit it. I love that Sid wore his actual jersey, showed up at old Cousy's house. The whole family was there. That's Sadie Crosby. She's crying.

That's actually him. She got the seat on her chest. She's wearing a jersey. Oh my God, livery in color here. Handshake. Hi, I'm Sid. I'm Sid. I'm Sid. It's amazing. Did you get a hug?

She came in and had dinner. Did you get a handshake? Who, the lady? I think she gave her a hug. That's the most Pittsburgh Hill town of all time. Yeah, by the way, that is what Pittsburgh looks like. That is the entire city. Is that Squirrel Hill?

That could literally be 55 towns. That right there. That is the entire city. Is that Squirrel Hill? That could literally be 55 towns. It is a beautiful place. Anyways, let's talk about coaches in the NFL. We are obviously former players that chit-chat. No, not all of us, but most of us former players that chit-chat.

The Thursday night football game has been something that's been discussed from a player safety standpoint for a long time. A lot of players, especially the bigger boys, the offensive linemen, the defensive linemen, the linebackers, those who are doing hand-to-hand, head-to-head combat every single play, normally take a little bit longer to get recovered after a game on Sunday where there's 70 full-speed reps or 65, 80, whatever it is. Normally by like Wednesday, some guys, end of the season,

just getting up out of bed able to walk because of the soreness and their ligaments and joints and everything like that so whenever Thursday night football becomes this big focal point it's like some guys that's their first day literally being able to walk from the last game now we're going to throw them out there in full speed again could set up for some disaster yeah we still feel that way although a lot of players have gotten on board with this because three-day weekend on the other side. So it's a little bit of a gift and a curse. Haven't really talked much about how coaches feel about Thursday night football games because

the players have kind of always been the conversation. Here's Coach Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ers who hosted New York Giants on Thursday night talking about the Thursday schedule for a Thursday night football game. Yes. You feel extremely rushed. I saw the players a few hours ago and it was the first time I saw them. I told them it was Wednesday morning and by the end of our first meeting, it was Thursday. That's kind of how we explain it and tomorrow morning is Friday.

But by 10 o'clock, it's the day before the game. So it's weird. We're throwing four days into two days. As coach and staff, we throw two days into one day. So it's kind of a loss for words when I can't swear up here. It's a something show. Oh, shit. It's about retaining it when it slows down like we've got to put them all through it the players so we just throw it all at them we go

on and walk through it twice we go watch it it's just and then it'll slow down the night when they leave but that's usually about sleeping and catching up and then tomorrow kind of when you get to the hotel it's like all right now it's now it's normal even though it's not uh but now it's saturday night and slow it down a little bit. I always love Thursdays or night games because I think it's important on the day of the game to kind of review your whole week, which is the day before, on all the stuff that came in. So you don't hesitate in the game.

He was talking a lot of shit about that shit show he described there about Thursday nights. AQ, you were a coach and a player and a big guy. Big guys always hated Thursday night football the most. You're a coach now. Obviously, it sounds like coaches hate Thursday night football. Your thoughts on why Thursday night football games look the way they do? We always talk about these games are bad. These games are bad. These games are bad. Well, maybe because there isn't enough time to put in an actual good plan. Is that a real conversation we should be having? Yeah, it's kind of a two-part answer. As a player, I actually really enjoyed it.

Yeah, you don't get much work in during the week. Most of it's walkthrough. You're getting your body taken care of. You're getting your body worked on all week. The game plan's as simple as can be. And like I said, it's all walkthrough. So from a physical standpoint, it's very easy the whole week up. And then it's the most simplified game plan of the entire year

because everything's crammed. He just then it's the most simplified game plan of the entire year because everything's crammed. He just hit it on the head. Like what he said, everything's like a Wednesday, Thursday split, a Thursday, Friday split, a Friday, Saturday. But what coaches typically do is they start doing this two weeks in advance and you start putting together a simple, hey, what do we do? What's our identity? Hey, let's put together, you know, we might have 130 calls on the play sheet normally. Let's simplify that down to 75, 80 plays of what we do well, where we don't have to do a bunch of moving parts leading into the week.

How about you D, but your thoughts on plans and schemes for Thursday night football? Yeah. Schemes are pretty simple. And when we played, it was a lot of time there were divisional matchups too. So you were pretty familiar with the other team. Like AQ said, simplified game plan lighter on you physically. And I honestly looked forward to that long weekend, especially if it was kind of far away from your real bye week.

We kind of looked at it as like a mini bye. Earlier in the season, these are much better. And obviously we're not banging around like the big guys, but, you know, running around your muscles, that's when you get massages or whatever you get during the week. You obviously got to condense that all down, as you heard Shanahan allude to about 10 times in that little clip. But, you know, I feel like this game,

it also helps out the team that has more continuity together, more reps together, the offensive linemen, the play callers, the quarterbacks. And we got two teams right now who are playing this Thursday who both – that's the situation for both teams. Great second half for the Giants. They might be back to what they were last year at the second half the Niners obviously been a buzzsaw so I think we're in for a good one on Thursday go ahead Tony but you just talked about the continuity and like the team with the better that helps them on on Thursday nights but who does it help as far as

simplified game plans does that help the offense more the defense more oh I mean both I always I always talk about I believe this wholeheartedly. Good players make good coaches because like the best players, the best quarterbacks, we know they have some of the most simplified game plans and things that they did for 10, 15, 20 years. So if you could just execute a high level and these guys, Purdy's going to know where those defensive bodies are going to be, what he's going to get. So it depends on the players. The same thing for defense. If you got, you know, smart guys over there that can adjust and know what they're getting, see what the flavor of the week is. Because like AQ said, if you're going from 130 to 75, that's much easier for Fred Warner to have a beat on what's coming.

Yeah, but I mean, in my eyes, if everybody knows what they're doing, that's better than anything else. You're going to get a good product. Yeah, if everybody knows, if we're all wrong, we're all right. But if we're all right, that's much better. Yeah. You know, and that's like, I think Thursday night there's a lot more of that because everybody's kind of dialed in.

You can see the coaches that have, you know, are doing their first Thursday night, I think. I think you can see in plans, schemes, ideas, what their teams do. Daybo talked about Thursday night football and said, hey, one of our main guys, especially a guy we brought back this offseason, might be back on Thursday. Here's Coach Brian Dayball who's staying out in Arizona for their West Coast trip on Thursday to the Niners

after playing against the Cardinals. They're staying out there all week. Nice little team bonding. Yeah, hang on. Team bonding. Here's Coach Dayball talking about Saquon Barkley's ankle. I won't count on that, Dan. Not just yet.

Okay. I mean, safe to say he'll be out on Thursday night? I'm not saying that he's out yet. He's a quick healer. I'm not saying he's in. He's out. We're going to take it all the way up with him to Thursday. But he feels a lot better today.

I just talked to him. So we'll see where we're at. Okay. Ty, when you hear that, what are you hearing? I don't think he's going to play. I don't know why he would play Saquon this early if he's a little bit banged up, especially if you're playing the Niners, a pretty good defensive line, but we'll see. We heard about Russell Wilson having Wolverine blood. These guys in the NFL typically, you know, they're superhumans. You know, they're not like, yeah, they're superhumans. Okay, so. All of them? Well.

Yeah, most. Because here's Coach LaFleur, okay, talking about David Bakhtiari's knee in his absence from the Atlanta Falcons game. The first question was basically like, hey, did David Bakhtiari not play at Atlanta because it was AstroTurf? And if he was playing somewhere else, would he have played? Here's Coach LaFleur, coach of the Green Bay Packers, talking about Bakhtiari's knee.

His knee is injured. There was swelling, so. If that game is played at Lambeau Field, is he able to play or not? I don't believe so. Just to clarify, is this a... That's it. Just to clarify, I'm done talking about it.

Okay, so just to clarify, I'm done talking about it. His knee was just to clarify, I'm done talking about it. Okay, his knee was swollen. It was hurt. If it was played somewhere else, I don't think so. I mean, what are we – he is done with it. He's got a lot to deal with, obviously. They lose a game down there to an Atlanta Falcons team

that might be a lot better than anybody imagines, although it sounds like Green Bay Packers fans don't necessarily think that the Falcons are that good. We should maybe get a win there. No Bakhtiari. Is this going to be the same old song and dance from the years past? LaFleur's echoing the sentiments of a lot of Packers fans, it sounds like there?

Yeah, I think so. That also makes me feel like there's something else going on here because, I mean, he's getting pretty testy about that early. Just to clarify, he said. Yeah, exactly. Just to clarify. I'm done talking about this, okay? We're not going to mention this again, but now we're in week two already. If Bakhtiari, okay, so if he plays this week that's great but then if the same thing happens in

week four like this is just going to be a recurring storyline for the entire season so i hope he gets comfortable talking about it because i think he's going to be talking about it quite a bit the team's much better whenever he's playing yeah bakhtiari is obviously a big deal for them now they lose there he should have won agreed Agreed. Yeah. How about Atlanta, by the way, winning a game that last year they definitely would have lost? That's what everyone talks about. This is a team that can't win if they're behind.

They need to control the pace of play. They need to be ahead because they're just going to run it down your throat. They were down by two possessions going into the fourth quarter and just clinically went down the field and did what they had to do to win yeah and the packers what are we gonna end up at we gonna be good i still i still think so because i think love played well i mean it's kind of the same old song and dance

you know with their defensive coordinator who a lot of people have been calling for his head since he got there you know should he have got it in the first place you know he never really had a good defense ever in the nfl maybe a kind of an old boys club type of deal where good buddies with the guy. But it's the same thing as always. It's like, hey, can this team stop the run? And then they look good early and then boom in the fourth quarter. It's like, okay, no, they can't stop the run.

I don't think that's true because I saw him on a graphic of coaches that it was like best coaching tree possible. It was head coach Brandis Daly. It was offensive coordinator Matt Canada. And it was defense coordinator Joe Barry. Oh, really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. That's the same coaching tree there? That was like the most ideal coaching staff in the NFL, I think, was the chart that it said. That's nice. Fans love those particular guys. Let's go away from the defense. Let's go to the offense.

What have you seen out of Coach LaFleur's offense now that Jordan Love, we all assume, is running the system how the system's supposed to be playing? Not calling him a system quarterback, but the only offense that he has known since coming into the NFL is LaFleur's offense, which is kind of a system offense, which is much of the NFL. Aaron Rodgers, you know, he's going to want to do his thing. He has seen a lot.

He knows a lot. Feels like he can get the offense into the right situation. Probably a lot more check with me as audibles. Let's change this thing. Jordan Love was supposed to be how the floor's offense was supposed to be run, how he envisioned it full and through. How do you feel they're doing right now thus far, just a couple weeks into the season?

I like what they do when they have their guys. Like, I think the first half of the first game, it looked pretty good. And I think Jordan Love has played well. But when you go into a game and you don't have your left tackle, you don't have Aaron Jones, who's an absolute difference maker. Watson. Christian Watson. Christian Watson. And then you also have to shuffle some guys when Jenkins gets hurt. It puts you in such a predicament that not many people can understand. As a quarterback, you want to feel comfortable back there. As a first-year starting quarterback, you want to feel extra comfortable.

And when you have your two best linemen not on the field, plus your star electric running back that makes the whole thing run smoothly, it's tough. Have you seen much of the Green Bay Packers offense? Have you broke it down? What are your thoughts? I like Love. I like him a lot.

We like Love, too. Especially in the rear there. Just like Aaron Rodgers did. He takes care of the football. First two games, three touchdowns, no picks. I think he's like the fourth quarterback in history. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Patrick Mahomes are the only others to do that in the first two games.

Impressive. To do that. So he's doing all the right things. But like I said, you want to be balanced. You've got to have your best players, your highest paid players in there playing when you can you can see obviously you know coaches get you're gonna get pissed off when it's not a consistent like a thing about what injury you saw with um the dolphins and byron jones but when it's when it's not a clear cut hey this guy's

going to be out for x amount of time when he's back he's back when he's kind of in and out of lineup that really pisses the coaches off i'm sure the medical staff and the coaches have some friction there, too, when you're not figured out when it's a star player like that. Yes. So they've got to figure that out, especially with a young quarterback. But I love what I'm seeing from Jordan Love. And there was a lot of questions with LeFleur coming into this year, too, without Rodgers being on the center.

Would it look the same? And so far it is. A lot of ex-NFL coaches and ex-front office people go, oh, LeFleur, real good, huh? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It would be real nice to have Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback and have him throw zero picks pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Take care of the ball completely and do that. We'll see how he does without Aaron. Thus far, Jordan Love has looked. The development of Jordan

Love, right? We can see behind the scenes coaching has done very well. On the field, three touchdowns. It feels like the coaching's doing well i'm excited to see if they have success or not this is going to be and i've said this before whenever we weren't on espn just on the internet and obviously garnered a lot of uh headlines because i think the way i said it but like gutekunst's entire legacy is going to be judged on how this team does yes it was his decision to get aaron the hell out of there it was his draft pick jordan. LaFleur, everybody on this team is his eyes. This is how he is going to be judged. Not from the NFC Championships with Aaron Rodgers there

and the MVPs when Aaron Rodgers is there. It's like this is how people are going to view Gunter Kutz. Thus far, you know, get a win, get a loss. Jordan Love looks good. How will it maintain? We shall see. I think all eyes are kind of eager to see how it plays out yeah i think if you're a packers fan jordan love so far has

exceeded everyone's expectations i think the most frustrating thing because i saw a lot of people saying on sunday they were kind of giving him shit because the packers got the ball back with 52 seconds and he didn't do anything like had and a lot of people are saying hey rogers in that position like the packers win that game 100 out of 100 times but you know in in his defense in the fourth quarter like lefleur got so conservative and didn't really give love and opportunity like he was playing so well and then in the fourth quarter two possessions they they run it three times punt run it three times punt like he didn't even get an opportunity to really win that game and then it's like hey 52 seconds left we We need you here.

We need you to go 80 yards and score a touchdown and win this for us. And it didn't happen. On the flip side, Artie Smith, he was aggressive. It was a point where he kicked a field goal and took the one-point lead, went for it on fourth. A couple times. He pulled his nuts out that whole game. Well, there's a reason.

Remember, he said he got that mustache and testosterone levels automatically go up. You don't think he's rolling a little bit more dice whenever he's got a little higher T? I believe Artie Smith, R-T, Smith, he's rolling the dice down there on a regular basis. We enjoy him. We also think, I think Artie Smith will be joining us once a week. Oh, really? I think so.

It's kind of getting worked out right now. I do believe head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, Artie Smith, will be joining us once a week for like a dry five. Ooh, okay. Because he's like very dry. Artie's way. Very dry. One of the funniest people in the NFL.

But if you don't understand dry humor, it's like, this guy sucks. Yeah, yeah. This guy. And it's like, well, you just got to listen, you see, to what he's – he's burying something in there somewhere. I think we're going to be chatting with him once a week, which we are incredibly honored about. But the Falcons might be a team.

I love them. I mean, Bijon is electric. I think everybody questioned that pick because they already had two really good running backs. And the way he moves is incredible. He's got that. Oh, man. Three in a row.

In the same play, he got a set of people up. He would have been in conversation for number one, number two pick draft 12, 13 years ago before running back started to kind of lose their value. He's that special. I will say this. Running backs have lost their value if you're not, right? Christian McCaffrey's still getting paid. Yes? Christian McCaffrey's still getting paid. Christian McCaffrey's still getting paid.

B. John Robinson, if he keeps playing like this and remains playing like this, B. John, it's not like a running back market issue. I think he will be viewed as a weapon as opposed to a running back. And I think that's how everybody's going to talk about it. But he is... Oh! Filthy.

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a Super Bowl champion, college football national champion, COVID survivor, man who they said drank his own urine so that he would be able to remain healthy to play for 12 years? I believe so, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Thank you for doing that, A.J.

Thank you for donning your urine to show up every single week for your teammates, your team, and the fans. Hey, it's a sacrifice I was willing to make for you guys, Pat. 11 years, not 12 as well. Okay. I'm sure it's 12, but you don't count one probably. No, it's not.

It's 12, he's making 11, and I'd not... Yeah. Yep. Drinking urine all the time. Have you tried it yet? Have you? Because I remember there was a time we were talking about Body Guru. The Body Guru almost had you doing it there, think for a second yeah you had to mix another thing in there too yeah there's an added ingredient of love yeah i'm not mixing anything no if you're gonna try it you gotta try it full go you can't add anything in there well yeah well

cream in a coffee i don't do that well there it's well that's the thing they said put the cream into the urine yeah yeah i don't want i don't want any of that that'll that'll just float around the urine and everything you don't want any of that. That'll just float around the urine and everything. You don't want any of that. No, it adds texture, but we're not talking about oat milk or almond milk. No. We're talking about another cream. You were there.

We talked to the bodyguard. What are you playing stupid for? The guy told us. Come on. The guy literally told us. Hey, people do crazy things to get back on the field. They really do. I didn't, but.

Wow. Okay. All right, well, happy you could clarify that. This feels like a Jason Kelsey talking about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey situation, where he's potentially trolling everybody. But there's some big stuff coming out of Chicago, AJ, and I want to dive into it.

I guess there was press conferences this morning from the coaches, and there's a man named Dan Wiederer who writes up there for the Chicago Tribune. He's also on 670... The score. There it is. Nailed it.

Okay. He broke down everything that was chatted about here in a series of tweets that we have screenshotted. My jaw's on the floor right now, just a head-spinning morning on 1920 Football Drive. That's where Chicago Bears obviously practice. Bears left tackle Braxton Jones, headed IR with a neck injury.

It is potentially season ending. The Bears would like to keep Darnell right where he is, but are having discussions on whether to move him to left tackle. That's right tackle, I assume, A.Q. Shipley. Not an easy thing to jump from right tackle to left tackle. Rookie, too. Some people have been able to do it. Not everybody's been able to do it.

Tristan Wirfs has done it. Sewell did it last week. And, I mean, those are two of the freakiest athletes on planet Earth. So, like, let's not assume that everybody can do that. Not a guarantee that Darnell Wright will be able to do it, even if they do it. The Allen Williams defense coordinator situation continues to get more mysterious with Matt Eberflus, head coach of the Bears,

declining to give an update or clarity on any part of it, including whether Williams is still employed as defense coordinator. I don't know how he danced around press conference without giving that answer, but I would like to see. So Eberflus called the plays last week. Okay. So is Allen Williams still on the team? Yes, but I'm the one calling plays.

No, Allen Williams was not there at all. Okay, so I would like to see how he danced around whether or not the guy is still employed by the Chicago Bears while being asked about it by reporters. That's an incredible Roger Goodell level of maestro-ing of the Microsoft. The only thing they've said was personal problems, and that's all they've said so far. Personal between Ibraflus and Williams,

or personal between Williams and his performance, or Alan Williams. Now, we hope he's okay we know him he coaches the Indianapolis Colts I know him he's been around a very long time I think he's coached at the Vikings I think he's coached at the Colts I think he's coached at the Panthers been around for a while yeah long time in the NFL good dude we get along with him apparently though it is still up in the air

on what's going on with him and then this last one here Justin Fields acknowledged that he has been playing too robotic, then bit the pin off the grenade and rolled it into the building with his explanation of why he believes it is that way. Coaching.

Oh! Wow! A lot more on that. AJ, they're playing the Chiefs, I do believe, coming up here. Nice. And it sounds like the Bears got a lot of internal strife going on.

This is all coming out of a press conference from the team, in the building, from the team, with all this drama being created about the team what are your thoughts on reading that as we didn't get a chance to listen to the whole press conference we do apologize but these quotes are obviously a bit alarming about team chemistry and where they're at in Iberflues the second year uh yeah I would say so on multiple fronts too it's not just like one position group or one spot in your team I mean that's that's the thing. You know, when you lose football games,

everybody is combing through everything. Everything's a problem. All the little things got swept under the rug before will all come out, and everyone's going to nitpick at everything. And I don't know, for Zito's Bears, it's not looking that good right now. Yeah, it looks like it's going to only get worse. And remember, last year, they earned the number one pick in the NFL draft. Yes, they did.

Congratulations to them. How'd they do it? Did they win a coin toss the NFL. Yes, they did. Congratulations to them. How'd they do it? Did they win a coin toss? Nope. No, no. Did they win a, did they win a track meet?

No, no, no. Did they outrun? No, no, no. They lost more than everybody else.

They sucked more than everybody else. They were the worst football team in the NFL. And the NFL said, you know what? You get the number one overall pick. And they said, before we get too close to the draft, let's go ahead and trade us out of here so people forget that we were maybe the worst. Carolina Panthers are the worst

team in the NFL. All of a sudden, they're the ones that have the number one overall pick, not us. There was a lot of hype going in the season for the Chicago Bears. A lot of Justin Fields on the MVP run, said Dan Orlovsky on the Dan wagon, potentially. Now here we are two weeks in, and it's like, this coach ain't going to last the rest of the year. Nope. This thing's going to get imploded quickly. Did they clarify the coaching comment at all when he said he's playing robotic because of coaching?

I would like to see the follow-up to that. So I guess what we are being told from our sources, potentially, is that with Getze coming from Aaron Rodgers, you know what I mean, there was a chance that there was a full-on like, hey, this is how we should maybe play, you know, as Aaron Rodgers. You know what I mean?

Is Justin Fields Aaron Rodgers? No. Is anybody Aaron Rodgers? No. Is Aaron Rodgers Justin Fields though? No. So like, I think that is potentially what some people are saying,

why he's overthinking, trying to be something he's not. But I think our biggest conversation around Justin Fields is like, just let the guy run. Yeah. What do we – you know what I mean? Just let the guy run.

Why don't we do that? What are you protecting him from? Yeah, like you're – everybody needs a gig. Everyone wants to win football games. If him running gives you the best chance to win, then let him run. Let him do it. They're saving him for the future, though. That's what they always say.

But it's like – There might not be a future. That's the problem. Bingoingo and i said this yesterday it's like we're scared that he's gonna get hurt why because we think his career is gonna be long okay well if his career is gonna be long he's gonna have to be different and good and great at things it's like what makes him great oh he's faster than everybody it's like well why well, why would we? So it's going to be, it's going to look different than it did for Peyton. It's going to look different than it did for Tom Brady.

It's like one of this guy's biggest assets is that he's faster than everybody else on the field. And it seems like they're like scared to do it for whatever reason. Now we don't know if that's coming from Justin Fields, his camp saying we don't want him running. We want to keep him healthy. We don't know if it's coming from ownership saying we want him to be healthy, he's the future of the program, if it's polls,

or that other guy that made the decision to trade a bag of balls for old buddy to get drafted. Who did you guys trade away? Roquan? No, no, during the draft. They traded back with the Eagles. For the Eagles to get Carter. And they got Darnell Wright, that tackle.

And they thought they were going to get Carter. Correct. So they trade. They swap places with the Eagles on draft night. And it's not Poles handling the call. It's this assistant GM. From Philly. From Philadelphia handling the call.

And he's like rocking back and forth. And he goes, for a fourth? And they're like, good. And Eberflus is like, yeah, how you doing? That's good.'s good for a fourth round pick we'll swap and then they hang up the phone and they're like all right we got carter and then he goes like we'll take carter we got carter yeah we we will take carter and all of a sudden you're just kind of sitting on your hands it's like the gm didn't even do that conversation it was the assistant gm who potentially missed out on carter add that to the number of things that is coming out of the bears camp it's like this

is so incredibly dysfunctional. How do we even, if you win, all this isn't talked about. None of this is talked about if you win. Even if you're running a terrible organization somehow, if there's so many flaws, winning cures everything. But if you lose and it looks bad, boy, they're going to find all

of this stuff, D-Bud. Like AJ said, that's when everything else matters more. You even saw with Russ. As soon as you start not AJ said, that's when everything else matters more. You even saw with Russ. As soon as he started not playing well, started losing, everything else started getting blown out of proportion. Winning, obviously, in this league comes down to getting the most out of your quarterback. They're not doing that at all.

Obviously, the other surrounding BS around the facility is one thing, but when your quarterback is up there, kind of throwing a guy under the bus. We talked to Dan yesterday, too, about Lou Gexie. Zito said the video is vastly different than just back is up there i mean kind of throwing a guy under the bus a little bit you know we talked to dan yesterday too about luke gexie hold on zito said the video is vastly different than just the quote okay veto said now veto is chicago bears fan and as i'm talking zito is jumping on top of me a hundred times here in the last like 30 seconds to get to clarification about the bears

because how much he loves the bears never does that with any other team except for the bears you know it's i appreciate the passion coming out from him after having the worst team in the nfl last year he's very great he just listened to the entire justin fields thing and said it's vastly different than just him burying his coaches though here's justin fields chit-chatting about himself being too robotic and why from today's press conference i felt like you know i wasn't necessarily playing my game. I felt like I was kind of robotic and not playing like myself. So my goal this week is just to say F it and just go out there and play football how I know how to play football. That's not – that includes thinking less and just going out there and, you know, playing off of instincts. I can't take it. It's the worst.

So much, sort of, say, info in my head, data in my head, and literally just going out there playing football. I mean, just going back to it's a game. I mean, and that's it because that's when, you know, I play my best is when I'm just out there playing free and being myself. So I'm going to say kind of just bump all the, you know, what I should do, what I – this and that, like pocket stuff. Like I'm going to go out there and be me. There you go. Okay, so he said he was just overthinking, you know, less thinking, more athlete takeover-y is what Sirianni said.

I didn't hear the coaching things. Oddly edited that particular part out of the video. We'll have to follow up with how coaching became the answer. I assume there was an elaborate answer there. Justin Fields didn't sound mad at anybody except for himself. Right. Yes. Yeah.

So that's one of those things how quotes can obviously be a little bit different. Read versus heard. Of course. So maybe the walls aren't all burning down in Chicago. Well, you know, they are. Yeah, they definitely are. I mean, this looks like a team that's going to have number one overall pick again with Justin Fields, but

this is exactly why we talk about the draft the way we do. Fields is in his third year. He's on his second head coach. He's on his second OC. He might be unbelievable, but we'll have no idea because he's part of the worst organization in sports right now. Oh, Arizona. Yeah, yeah.

They're playing with the fire in their gut. They're up 28-20-nothing at halftime. At least they're playing. The Bears are just getting smoked week after week. We lost by one touchdown. Yeah, well, sometimes scores at the end of games are close to the Patriots' loss by a touchdown, too, but they got killed by Miami.

There's a different story. Bingo, that's very true. You guys did get killed by Miami. And then how about the old backdoor cover? What was that on Thursday night? Yep. Yeah, exactly. Philadelphia.

You're right, score can indicate a little bit different, but I appreciate the fact that Zito is sticking by the Chicago Bears still as we go. Joining us now is a man who – so we'll keep an eye on Chicago. Okay. Good luck out there, Chicago. Bears fans can't be happy about this, though. No. It's terrible. They're supposed to win the division this year. Come on. This was the year where it was possible

and it's just not, seemingly, at this stage. A lot of season left, though. A lot of growth available. Who knows? Maybe they'll have Justin Fields running around the field again. That'd be cool. That would be very cool. Joining us now is a man who is a three-time defensive player of the year. Whoa. Isn't that crazy? That's a lot

of time. Five-time first-team All-Pro, six-time Pro Bowler, sixth rounder. That ain't right. Sixth overall pick probably is what it was. First-team All-Pro, five-time Pro Bowler, crushing it for CBS once out of the two weeks. Right? He didn't go both weeks.

One week hot in CBS. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. Kwai. Let's go, Burnley! I'm going to come on this. I love coming once a week just to get my ego pumped up. This is great. Just read my stats once a week. Pump me up and get me through to the next week. So I combined yours and Jason Kelsey's.

So you're a three-time defensive player of the year. Walter Payton, man of the year, good human, obviously remember what happened with Houston. Hey, somebody had to do it. JJ said, okay, I'll be the person that's in the position. I don't need the award for it, but I will raise, what, $50 million? Something like that. Way to go.

Five-time Pro Bowler, five-time first-team All-Pro, and then obviously the Texans are Cardinals legends. And he's going into the Texans' ring of honor. When's that? Next week? Yes, next weekend. Congratulations. How about it? Now that you're just a basic-ass J.J. Watto

and not in any Hall of Fames or ring of honors, we appreciate you taking the time out of your day to join us. How's Burnley doing? Are we good? Are we winning? It's good. We had a one-to-one draw on Monday. That's a win. Soccer. News best.

We got a point. We got a point. We got a game on Saturday morning against Man United, so be tuned into that. It'll be a good one. Where's that? Burnley or is it in Manchester? It's at Turfmoor.

It's in Burnley. It's in Burnley, so it'll be a good one. So do they Zoom you in on the Jumbotron? Is there a Jumbotron? And do they Zoom you in to give a motivational speech beforehand? Or how's your presence felt? You know, it's fascinating. It's one of the biggest differences that I've noticed in my time watching the Premier League

is that the game day atmosphere is so much different than American sport atmosphere. Like the Jumbotrons are much, much smaller. And the focus is so much more on the field. The fans are locked in it's basically two hours on the dot from kickoff to the time you leave the stadium and it's just all focus no cheerleaders there's no real like crazy commercialism it's very locked in on the field so you're gonna change that right you're a big american coming in change yet oh yeah i mean there's one way to ingratiate yourself to the fans over there, it's to just absolutely Americanize everything.

We need the inflatable. Yeah, those things. You know what I'm saying? With your face on it. Yeah. Welcome. Yeah. We need the Colts mascot, like, spinning his stomach around, you know,

like all those guys, the Philly fanatic. What, AJ? What, you don't like? We've seen the Colts. JJ, the Colts mascot has done some terrible things to Evan Foxey back there in the studio. No, that's the air. Yeah, that's the air version, AJ. Yeah, you don't understand.

Okay. There's numerous versions. At a Colts game on the field. Okay. Well, he sucked on, obviously, Evan Foxey. Well, you've done some pretty horrible things to me, AJ, in one week on the show. Oh. thank you. Forgiveness is key.

How about that? Yeah, TJ. Remember that? Second one. You're right. At least it was your brother, I guess. I think if it's any Watt brother, I take it as a compliment. So, yes.

I agree. How come Derek didn't get a J middle name? What happened there? DJ would have been sick. He has one. It is DJ. He didn't like it because of DJ Tanner from Full House. He was catching a lot of DJ Tanner. What? From Full House. I mean, I don't know. He was like five years old and he was like, I'm not doing it. JJ, TJ, I'm Derek. I don't want to hear it. I absolutely love that.

All right, let's dive into T.J. Obviously, T.J. has a scoop and scored touchdown this past weekend. He's on pace for 34 sacks. What is it about him this year you think that you're seeing that maybe makes some difference? Is he better than he's been? Is this the best T.J. Watt that we've seen, J.J., in your eyes? I mean, he does look incredible, yeah.

He's very healthy. He's playing extremely well. He had a great offseason training. And he's got a guy on the other side that's playing incredibly well. He's got Alex Highsmith on the other side who is really able to take advantage when he gets the one-on-ones. He's also able to take some of those double teams off. TJ got doubled and chipped a ton in this game. So it was great to have Alex on the other side be able to take advantage. And obviously this play was a massive, massive play in the game with Highsmith causing the fumble, coming around the edge. Go back to the beginning. Look at his get off. He clearly had something here where he knew when to get off because he just flew past this tackle.

Easy strip sack and then TJ picking it up, taking it to the house. I mean, their defense scored between TJ and Alex, they scored 14 points, and their offense only scored 12 points. When you've got two outside linebackers like that, the best duo in the league, that's a little similar to something that you've seen before in Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. Like that combo, one-two punch combo.

You're talking about these two guys here, honestly. That's high compliment. And I think, you know, because I'm the Indianapolis Colts guy, and JJ was in the AFC South. And at the time, I think Dwight and Robert were talked about in high regards. But history, not really chatted about much because Dwight Freeney lives on a golf course every single day. Robert Mathis has disappeared completely.

So nobody really talks about either of them. But when they were humming, they were our entire strategy on the defensive side of the ball, JJ. Yes, they are. At the time, like you said, they were hyped up properly. They were incredible. They were the biggest thing. And as a pass rusher, I loved watching film of these guys.

But I feel like history has kind of made them underrated people have kind of forgotten about how good those two were and what they were able to do and i believe somehow dwight freeney's not even in the hall of fame yes that's true he has not got i think it's two times he hasn't got voted in that's crazy dwight freeney i mean dwight freeney it's like dwight freeney the spin the power everything he's got and i mean you look at the two of them combined right there. It's a perfect play. It looks exactly like TJ and Alex right there. When you have two guys off of each edge that can do this with Dwight powering,

Robert around the backside, strip sack, pick it up. Now all you got to do is just get to the end zone. You get tackled by his own guy. Yeah, well, I think he was falling. You know that turf, it's bad. The turf is bad. It's a little sticky out there. Did 90 wipe out his guy? Yeah, well, I think he was falling. You know that turf, it's bad. The turf is bad. It's a little sticky out there. Did 90 wipe out his legs?

Oh, yeah. He did get schoolboy'd there a little bit, it feels like. That's 100% on him. Yeah, Freeney and Mathis, though, they were the plan. Like, Bill Pullian built the team. Okay, what are we going to do? On offense, we're going to get a lead. So we're going to pay Peyton, we're going to pay

Marv, we're going to pay Reggie, we're going to pay Dallas. Stokely was there for a bit. We're going to pay these guys. We're going to get a lead. We're going to pay Peyton. We're going to pay Marv. We're going to pay Reggie. We're going to pay Dallas. Stokely was there for a bit. We're going to pay these guys. We're going to get a lead. Once we get a lead, they're going to have to pass. Then all of a sudden, we got these two guys, and then Bob Sanders is just going to terrorize back here whenever it happens. That was our entire strategy.

Pittsburgh with Highsmith and TJ, obviously they just paid Highsmith as well. It feels like that's maybe a smart play. That feels like a good plan, a tried and true one, JJ. Yeah, you just got to start getting some of those leads so that you can let those guys go out there and eat. I mean, really, when you think about it, the way you were just naming out those players, man, those Colts teams,

they really were the real deal. I mean, you get Peyton putting a lead up there, and then you let those guys go eat, get after quarterbacks. That's the dream right there. Oh, so you're saying if Pittsburgh was to maybe score some points on the offensive side, JJ, is that what you were saying? Yeah, I mean, it would help. It would help.

As a defensive guy, it does help. It's an obvious observation. I'm not saying anything here that nobody doesn't know. Remember, he does speak for T.J. Watt. Oh, no. Everything he says is for T.J. So he just said the offense needs to score some more points. That's clearly the entire Watts family.

Not T.J. No. Not T.J. No. The whole family feels this way. No. Not DJ. No. The whole family feels this way. No, it's a very obvious observation. You're a football pundit. But it does make your life a lot easier because you can just, right?

They're going to have to throw. You know it. It's much more predictable all of a sudden. It's the greatest. When you get into the fourth quarter of a game and the other team is down a score or two and you get to just tee off and you just know that they're passing every down, and they have to try and spread it out. That is literally what you live for as a pass rusher.

It's the greatest. And they do it really well up there in Pittsburgh when they get a chance to. Yeah, when they get a chance to. Sure, sure, sure. Go ahead, AJ. Go ahead, AJ. JJ, it was cool watching those clips with your brother and Highsmith and obviously Freedy and Mathis.

How important is it to have complimentary rushers on either side? One guy, if this guy's bowling, this guy's going to be speed rushing and vice versa if you're doing it the other way. I think a lot of times people don't, when they watch a game, they don't see all the games going on, especially out there on the edge between those two guys. Yeah, no, that's 100% true. I mean, especially if you have a mobile quarterback

who can get out of the pocket to be able to complement each other. And I think a lost part of that as well is the guys up the middle pushing. If you don't have that middle push, the big D tackles, getting pressure up the gut, edge rushers, it's very easy for them to either get run by up high or for the quarterback to step up in the pocket because he has that type of space. So when you get that push up the gut, it really allows those edge rushers to do what they want. I mean, you look at a team right now like the Dallas Cowboys doing it so well with Micah and Marcus Lawrence and what they're doing.

I mean, they're playing incredible ball. I think you also, you know, the Browns do it well with Darius Smith and with Miles Garrett. But, I mean, Micah, that tech stunt that Micah did and got his sack on in the Jets game was a perfect example of it. Okay, so I mean, Micah, that tech stunt that Micah did and got his sack on in the Jets game was a perfect example of it. Okay, so I think we have the film for it. We'll get to that in a second. We talked to Micah yesterday about them having so much depth at the D-line where he's actually out someplace, like on the sideline, and he's obviously saying,

whatever the coach needs me to do, I'm going to do. I'm saying, okay, so you're good with it. He goes, I'm not good with it. I'm not good with it. But is that something that you should think about if you're an explosive edge? Like long season here, right? Normally it's thought about with wide receivers, quarterbacks, other positions. But defensive ends, 17 games, long season, a lot of things can happen in every single play.

Is that even a thought you think for Micah and the Cowboys, or is it just their depth? I mean, it's definitely something I probably should have thought about at some point in my career. It's probably going to help him out. I mean, it is a long season, and the way that he plays, he is 100% effort every single play of every single game, and he's incredible. And so, I mean, you do put in that type of effort.

Taking a playoff here and there and getting a breather does help. But I also know that mentality. I mean, he talked about it on your show. He has that lion mentality. He wants to go out there and he wants to just kill everybody. And I think that's the best. That's why he's so good is because of his relentless effort, because of the energy, because of he never stops going. He's an unbelievable player

and on top of all that he has the athleticism and he has the freak ability to move and to bend and to turn corners um he's a special player man he's a psychopath let's get to the he's actual psycho yeah you know what i mean like he was talking about how closer to game he becomes you are the same way you get on the field he becomes yeah. Yeah, but I mean, when he was talking about that and his eyes and the way that he was like, yeah, that was pretty cool to watch. I love that conversation. I was on these young guys though. I'm growling now. Yeah, no deal.

I think he was making his eyes go a different direction, man. It was, I'll screw you up as a rookie. Yeah, I would assume. Like, wow, this men's league's wild. You should see this guy. He's really good on the field, but the things he has to do to get to that point, this men's league is wild. You should see this guy. He's really good on the field. But the things he has to do to get to that point, this guy's got both eyes going sideways.

I don't know which one I'm talking to. I'm talking to Mike, I thought. No, I'm talking to an actual line. He started growling at me. This guy started actually growling at people. I thought somebody was walking back in the background. Maybe two people were walking back. And he was tracking them with both eyes as if he was a jungle cat.

But let's talk about him on the field he is so fast and explosive i believe this is the play that you're referring to he starts way out there i mean he's way out there way yeah he's way he's got plenty of distance out there which is going to force that offensive tackle to kick out to him a little bit and make him create more space for these guys inside which obviously helps create everything that they're trying to set up here. And you have to be crazy fast to be able to line up that wide. So the tackle has to kick. Now he just comes underneath, wraps behind both guys, and has a 100% free shot at the quarterback.

I mean, that is the dream. When you wrap underneath and you have a free shot on the quarterback like that, and then the lion crawled and finished it off. I mean, that celebration is phenomenal. Better than yours? Better than your celebration? What was yours? What was the one you did?

I liked it. I started out with the salute, and then I switched a little bit to some – I just kind of mixed it up near the end. But this reminds me a little bit of Brian Dawkins coming out of the tunnel. Remember that back in the day? One of the best entrances of all time. Yes. And then we got this one. This is just pure effort, athleticism.

Comes underneath. Guy's kind of got him around the waist, but he's not going to give up. I mean, the effort is just incredible. And when you combine it with the athleticism, going for the ball, you can see him going for the ball on this play. He's trying to get the ball out. And then we see him later in the game actually get the ball out when he strips it uh for that

play so guy's incredible he's an unbelievable player and dallas is certainly lucky to have him and he's just wreaking havoc in that day jj how happy is he that this is happening out here i mean look just how happy are you about that you know what i I mean? It's pretty incredible. And that's one of those where as a pass rusher or as a fan, you're kind of looking at it like, all right, how did this happen, guys? Like how do we not have anybody maybe put the running back on the other side, give us a chip? AQ, I've always kind of wondered this because I know some game plans, coaches will literally say every single time we are putting a double

on a certain player but then there's also some where they're either just trusting their own line or there's checks where they cannot physically put a double on a guy how does it work like in a play like this like why is he one-on-one do they just believe in the tackle that much I mean yeah it's it's one of those things like Bruce Arians was real big like 10 years ago or 15 years ago when I was playing for him he was like hey listen we chipped Javon curse every time and he still got four sacks I'm not not going to get my running back out and keep him in and protection and then we're just we can't get

anything going right and so whenever we started playing Aaron Donald in the division we just started literally just calling the protection 99 wherever he was forget the mic we're going there back you got everybody else right this is one of those things where micah has become that guy he's become that guy this is where you have to slide to him it's one of them things whether you put a back or a tight end right there to chip or hey can't that wide receiver that's right there chip him you could i mean he's right there right to bring him in right those are the worst chips too man because you that one's from way out there so you're kind of like i don't think that guy's gonna chip me me. So you take a regular get-off, and if he chips you,

he can look like the strongest man in the world because you'll be flat on your ass. Just right there on your hip, right? I mean, absolutely laid out. We're getting hip and shoulder pad, and you're done. I think TJ was lined up out by a wide receiver a couple times this past weekend, and I'm like, is that wide receiver going to give a little bit of a shot to TJ? I assume they're taught that.

They drop him back more than I like, to be honest. Who, TJ? Yeah, they put him in. He should be getting after the quarterback every single play. Yeah, but let's talk about he's on track for 34 sacks. Yep. Let's drop him. Yeah.

Put him at corner. Who does the money go to in that? I guess TJ gets to pick whatever charity organization. Favorite charity? Yeah, $500,000. What was I doing? I wonder what his favorite charity is. Oh, Burnley FC?

You tell me. Is that a charity game? I wonder if only a family member or a brother or something had a charity that helped middle school kids across the country. I don't know. I mean, I'm rooting for 34 sacks. Let's do this. Okay, so you think TJ's going to pick your charity or Derek's, it sounds like?

I don't know. I don't know. But, man, it would kind of hurt to be kicking the nuts if he didn't. That would be awesome. We're going to learn a lot about TJ and JJ's relationship here. If he continues to go, we'll hold him back. We'll hold him back? What to hold him back? Just injury, I guess, right?

And I assume that's not something he can predict, or is there an active way to kind of fend that off? I mean, I really do. The Browns had a good game plan. If you actually sit there and you watch the film, they put a tight end on him. They put Joku out there a lot of the game to double team him. They had little bunch sets that make him line up in different positions that are tough.

So it's putting all that capital to him. That's when it's hard. And that's why, like we talk about, not getting those leads. Yeah, like right here. So he has Njoku in there at the tight end and he's got a receiver out there. So now he's got to decide, where am I going to line up?

Do I want to get wide and hope that these guys release and don't block me so i have a better run do i want to line up inside it's a really tough spot as a defensive lineman to figure out where to line up when teams are going to do this to you um scared to death that he's gonna yeah you know what i mean jam the hill it's a funny thing man because you want to just run right through his face but it also also is going to slow you down. And so you're just trying to find the best possible angle. So here, the tight end is going to basically stay in and block him. And the tackle is also going to help. So he's got to run that big hoop, but it doesn't matter because that's what Alex Highsmith on the other side does. That's back to AJ's original point. That's the advantage that you have having a dominant guy on the other side. When teams

are going to don't give all that capital to you, the other guy has to win. I think another team that you wanted to chat about was a surprise, not only to me, but also to Gumpy. And Gumpy's excited to hear about it because the conversation down in South Beach, JJ, is all about how the offense has tracked me. Hey, two is putting the ball where it needs to be. McDaniel is drawing up plays that are able to beat any defense.

And Mostert, if you're going to do that, he's going to take it to the crib. Nobody's talking about the defense side of the ball where it needs to be. McDaniel is drawing up plays that are able to beat any defense. And Mostert, if you're going to do that, he's going to take it to the crib. Nobody's talking about the defense side of the ball. The only thing we chatted about was Christian Wilkins holding in, not getting a deal, and saying, okay, guys, I guess I'll play. I just missed all training camp, which is awesome. What you've seen, though, from them is something that you said we need to spotlight a little bit, JJ. Yeah, I think the Dolphins' D-line is underrated.

I think their offense, rightfully so, gets a ton of the credit. But I love watching the Dolphins' D-line, the way they fly around. Obviously Fangio down there has that defense playing well. But you've got Wilkins, you've got Phillips, you've got Chubb. But when Phillips is out, who fills in? Wisconsin Badger, Van Ginkle. Here he is coming off with the long hair. Dedication to A.J. Hawk, I'm sure.

Oh, yeah. Flying off the edge, getting chipped. Look at this. A chip from the tight end, which sucks. We just talked about it. Now you're around the tackle just destroying around the edge and making plays. That's a defensive line. Van Ginkle's not even their starter.

He's a backup, but coming in and playing that good when Phillips is out. I think between Phillips, between Chubb, between Wilkins, that defensive line deserves a lot of credit down there in South Beach. Gumpy, how do you feel about it, pal? We're not just talking about the offense down there being good. We're talking about the defense, the most important part of the defense, D-line being some game-wreckers gone. Devinky is an absolute dog, and that was the best game Bradley Chubb

has played in a Dolphins uniform by far on Sunday night. Those guys were playing good. They put Mac Jones in some tough spots. Yeah, they did. Look at that, man. Going for the elbow. You hear that? It was like a climax of the story.

A proud father. It really was. It's the best, man. When you break that corner and you have that shot and you have that shot and you see the ball still in his hand, it is just the greatest feeling. Oh, close. So close. There he is.

Nice block, Calvin. Well, what do you want to do? So whenever you get chipped, does that – because he almost pushed him away from the tackle. You know what I mean? Do you ever see any benefit from that ever like uh so i actually got a sack early in my career against the steelers where i got chipped and the chipper chipped me inside past the tackle so the tackle is setting out on me the chipper chipped me and actually knocked me inside to the b-gap and I got up and got a sack on big Ben.

It was kind of one of those rollercoaster of emotions moments where I was like, son of a bitch, I just got chipped. And then I was like, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh. All right, here we go. And yeah. So I enjoy that very much. Yeah. So maybe it's a little bit of a gift and a curse. We did some research on the chip on this program. Yes, we did. When was the chip founded, Connor? Funny enough, I believe the chip was founded in the year 2002.

It was Bill Belichick implanting for Dwight Freeney, and he said, you know, we can't block Dwight Freeney one-on-one. We're going to have to bring in somebody and invent this chip block, as they did. Still not in the Hall of Fame. Wait, wait. Dante's running? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Not Dante. 2002? Yep. The chip block was invented? Look it up. Journalism, bro. Not Dante. 2002? Yep. The chip block was invented? Look it up. Journalism, bro. We're doing it right now. In your face.

Nobody in the history of football ever chipped before 2002. Never. Not once. Sorry. That's what the book says. Sorry. Argue with the book. I got to watch the film.

I need to get off the film Dwight Fahey still not in the Hall of Fame that's right potentially had something created to stop him not in the Hall of Fame that needs to be fixed go ahead AJ JJ I'm curious what did you hate that O-Lyman would do

other than being double teamed time after time like a short set whatever it may be I know a lot of pass rushers have things they dislike. And also, just to give you a heads up, I don't know if you know, but our guy Dennis Gardak got another sack. So he's up to three on the year for the Arizona Cardinals. Whoa.

Yes, yes. Our guy Dennis the Menace is absolutely wreaking havoc down here. What I hated, I really, really hated, and I still hate this, I think when they do the uh they pull your arms down or they like pull the front of your jersey down and kind of almost like a uh mighty ducks you know the fight scene where they pulled the jersey over the head oh yeah you go for you're going for a bull rush and they pull you down that is just it sucks and i would do it if i was them because it's effective and it works and they don't call it holding.

But to me, like, it's just such a, like, oh, that's your move, man. Like, that's what you're going to do. Yeah. Here's a guy that loved it. AQ Shipley has a question for you. JJ, so you spent, obviously, a lot of your time more inside. You did the five technique, three technique. You were outside.

You kind of were all over the place. TJ spends most of his time outside. I saw a clip this last week where he kind of did the Miles Garrett. He walked around, came up over the center, actually made the play on a run play. But can you talk about going from outside to inside and kind of how much different the game is on the edge versus inside? Yeah, it's very, very different. Tackles set much different than guards. They also are different body types and skill sets generally. Guards are going to get on you much quicker because there's shorter space, shorter windows, so they're going to get on you much quicker.

But you are generally going to have an ability to use some of that athleticism a little bit more inside. Out on the edge, tackles, obviously there's more space. There's a lot more stuff to do. So you have different options out there on the edge. I personally love moving around a lot because not only does it give me a chance to go on different guys, but it also keeps the offense guessing of where I'm going to be. And to your point, that is a little bit different with TJ where he is on the left edge majority of the time. And that's where he's comfortable and that's where he's best.

So they don't switch it up there. But it does also give the offense a chance to kind of know where you're going to be at all times. Do you think he's breaking that record this year, TJ? I mean, the way he's playing right now, man, he's on a different level. I mean, he's been on a different level for a long time, but he's playing lights out right now. I really think he's got a shot to do it. The Pittsburgh Steelers texted us and said that the J.J. Watt Foundation is probably not going to be the foundation.

I'm just like, you know what? What did they say? The Steelers person texted us and said, don't think that's the one. It's already been decided. It's already been decided. Well, I got a phone call to make in about 10 minutes. Oh, you hate the Pittsburgh Children's Hospital? Whoa.

Whoa. This guy. Hey, thanks for coming on the show, JJ. Nice job, JJ. I'm from Pittsburgh. Those kids are my family. Okay, you hate them. All right, yeah, sweet.

Walked into that. You, speaking of walking into something, you said, hey hey i understand i talk about defense a lot but there's a guy who's playing offensive football that i would like to give a little bit of a hat tip to and that man's mr irrelevant from last season brock purdy we have a couple clips here of brock purdy what have you seen out of him that makes you want to talk about him first of all and also is he a guy that's gonna be able to win a super bowl with his niners team you think jj i want to talk about brock because of what he's able to bring to the 49ers in terms of skill, but also ability to create a team around him.

A is, obviously, you're going to see right here, he's poised in the pocket. He makes incredible throws, and he can really handle that Kyle Shanahan offense well. But what it means in this league, when you have a quarterback who can play at the level Brock's playing at for $870,000 this season, you're allowed to build a team around him that is absolutely dominant, which is what the 49ers have done. They've got Trent Williams. They've got George Kittle. They've got Ayuk. They've got Debo. They've got CMC. They've got Fred Warner. They've got Greenlaw, which AJ might be able to give some insight on this. I think is possibly probably the best inside linebacker duo in the entire NFL.

You got Bosa. You got all these guys. That's all because you have a quarterback that's making $870,000 this year, and that's unbelievable what they've built up there. How do you feel about those quarterback contracts? Obviously, defensive end, and you made your fair share of cash, didn't he? Oh, yeah. Multiple times. We saw that log cabin out there in Wisconsin. Oh, defensive end and you made your fair share of money. We saw that log cabin out there in Wisconsin. Oh, the kid did good.

Kid did good. Oh my god, I think even more than that. Every TV has these LED lights around. Oh my god. It is all so cool. Speaker playing turn down for what at all times? All the time. You walk in the house playing Turn Down for what at all times? All the time. Yeah, you walk in the house.

Turn down for what? Every step he takes, like in the airport, you know when it lights up? Yeah. It's like avatars, the bottom of the creeks. Yeah, the trail. You're walking on it, and it just lights up. That's what this guy's log cabin is. A-Walk.

20-38. Still a log cabin, though. Still rugged. Rough and coarse. You act like you're not talking to me from the Thunderdome. Like this literal playland that you live in. Yeah, but we got bugs in here. There's a lot of bugs.

Yeah, it is a modest office. We only have what we need. That's right. At this particular Thunderdome. You know what I mean? I heard about two sweet additions today. Yeah, well. Yeah.

I'd say. We got some stuff going on here that's going to be absurd. But we're not talking about Thunderdome salary caps. No. JJ, thanks for trying to divert away from this. We're talking about NFL salary caps. How do you feel about next CBA quarterbacks potentially being put in their own slot so that there's no longer

this juggle of feeling obligated to make the quarterback the highest paid quarterback of all time because they've earned it they deserve it and they're the most you know i think pressure-packed position in all sports we all agree with that but what happens whenever they change what the salary cap is and who makes what in the rookie men and the vet men basically quarterback numbers just went through the roof and then defensive ends i i still getting paid corners wide receivers still get paid but a large majority of the roster here now is suffering from it mightily do you think there comes a time where the quarterbacks are in their own in their own

world almost as opposed to everybody else like a quarterback club like it was old school with the way the money's getting right now jj you know it's interesting we were kind of talking about this uh just i mean amongst friends back during the last CBA conversation. And I was talking to my buddies and I was like, imagine if the quarterbacks just got together and said, we're going to negotiate our own little deal. Because, I mean, the realistic thing in this league is you have to have a quarterback. The quarterbacks are the stars. They're the ones driving the narratives. They're the ones driving the success.

I mean, it's just a fact. I mean, you can't argue the quarterback's the most important position in the league so if they truly did want to do you know their own little thing i mean you also can't really argue with the fact that that is that is the most important position in the league so i i could see it i could see a day where that was the case because it also does affect the salary cap in so many ways for teams. But then it's also kind of like that fair market system where it's the most important person gets paid the most. And then you decide who's important after that, how they're going to get paid. But I could see a day where that comes just because it makes easier

logistical sense. It makes sense for everybody in the quarterback club back in the day was obviously not beloved by the rest of the players. It was like a Marino Kelly, Elway, Favre, Aikman. And they had the quarterback club. It was actually video games and everything where they were making their own money. And then I assume somebody showed up and was like, you're kind of screwing everybody up.

You're killing us. But now we're at a different point. The money's much different now than it was back then. It feels like we're on the verge of that. And I think the business sense of the guys that are at the top, too, kind of understand how that could all work out. And I think a lot of other players would be like, all right, thank God. They're not in our salary cap anymore, in our salary pool.

How do you decide? The hard part there is how you decide how it works because obviously there's a handful of top, top-tier guys. And then there's obviously other quarterbacks that aren't necessarily in that top tier but there it's just logistically how do you figure that out you know is it just their own they have their own salary cap system and it's automatic that the bottom quarterback is getting paid this much i think it'd be a tiered thing you know they put like uh grades on guys like a third round tender fourth round tender i think it would be like a tiered thing you know they put like uh grades on guys like a third round tender fourth round

tender i think it would be like a tiered system with that money already figured out like what's the next quarterback deal at the elite tier we'll just say that that's what that is well it's 55 million a year okay well that's what we're gonna do we're gonna do that and then the next one's like 60 million a year for the next person or you can have this 30 million 25 million and then if somebody else. I think it is just its own world almost, I think. Kind of like max contracts in the NBA. If you're pro bowl each year, if you stay with a certain team,

you can make a max. If you don't, this is your slot. Yeah, we talked about percentages of salary cap for specific positions. Yes, like, hey, the max amount you can get is this percentage. I think they're going to do it because there's too much tomfoolery with the salary cap happening right now by some places, and then teams end up with nothing.

They make rules to save themselves from future decisions all the time. Like Tom Brady, if he owns a minority share of the Las Vegas Raiders, he's not allowed to work for the Raiders. Did you know this? Obviously, you can't play for him, but what do you mean you can't work for him? You can't do anything?

Not even allowed to be in the front office. They made that rule after Brady gets the minority share. Brady would not be able to play for a team if he owned a part of a franchise, obviously. But under new rules reportedly passed after Brady agreed to acquire the Raiders' stake, Brady would not be able to work for the Raiders if he held any team equity. If Raiders owner Mark Davis had been hoping to add Brady to his front office, he can no longer do so. And this is about the front office sports article that said,

like, hey, Tom Brady has not been officialized as an owner of the Raiders, and there is no time in the NFL schedule to make that happen. So they're delaying it. So people are saying, Tom Brady wants to play again. But then there's also a thought that maybe Mark Davis had these ideas for him. He's not allowed to do it. And I wonder, why would the NFL do that? And they're like, well, future issues we don't want to deal with.

And it's like, other teams we don't want to deal with. It's like, the quarterback salary cap feels like something that a lot of the owners who aren't benefiting from it right now could potentially project out in the forward and want to change it. Anyways, that's a big time zoomed out conversation about something i appreciate your take on it jj go ahead aj go ahead pal uh staying somewhat along those lines what about uh possibly working for in the front office for an nfl team at some point maybe even running for a political office i know the rocks that he may run for president you'd be a good vp candidate i would imagine you guys you two staying together be pretty intimidating presence i would imagine but anything like that

on the horizon dj jj oh i appreciate that i appreciate that um no i like the hours man like like same with coaching i love coaching i love working with players i love talking ball i love helping them improve. I love any way that I can help them, but it's the hours. It's the time commitment. Same with front office with GM worker, with anything in the front office. I have so much time commitment. I'm very, very fortunate. I played a game where you got to make a whole lot of money to chase a ball around for your whole career. And I'm very, very lucky that I got to do that. And it's now set me up in a position where I can pick and choose what I do moving forward.

And for me, at least as of right now, I mean, who knows moving forward, but at least as of right now, the thing that I want to pick and choose the most is my family. I have a son. I have a 10 month old, 10 and a half month old son. And so I'm very fortunate.

I can get to come on this show every Wednesday from my house. And I get to now, after I'm done with the call, go hang out with my son. CBS is very fortunate I can get to come on this show every Wednesday from my house. And I get to now after I'm done with the call, go hang out with my son. CBS is very fortunate to have let me this fall only work the weekends that I choose. So we're gonna do six to eight weekends this fall. Oh, it's breaking six to eight, you got it.

Nice. I didn't want to retire to immediately jump back into all full-time positions. Now, when Koa starts running around and talking and maybe driving me crazy, who knows? Maybe my thoughts on that change. I'm sure parents out there are like, take a full-time job, man.

But for right now, I want to spend time with him. I'm loving every second of it. He's a small guy? He's a large human being, my friend. It's like a full-blown. You probably know by now like my back is probably bigger than it was during my playing career just from carrying this kid around it's insane so whenever we go in with my daughter it's always like the she's in the 87th percentile

for height and i'm like hell yeah girl okay i like that she's in the 78th for weight 67 67th for brains or head size. I'm like, all right, brain's bigger than everybody else. It's sweet. She's taller than everybody else. Awesome. Here we go. How is it? Has that happened with you with Koa? So we just did, obviously like a month ago, we had to do his nine month checkup and they did, just like you said, they do his height, his weight, he's in the 97th for height, 97th for weight. They did his head, and then they leave. And then she knocks on the door, she comes back. She's like, I'm sorry. I have to measure his head again.

She's like, I need to measure it again. So I'm like, all right, go ahead. I don't care. And so she measures it again, and she goes, it was right. He has the head size of a 19-month-old. So proud. Were you so proud there in that moment-month-old. So proud. Were you so proud there in that moment? Oh, I was very proud.

I was very proud. Just a gigantic noggin on this kid. We were going to have to make some hats really big for when this kid grows up. God bless Mama, for sure. And obviously, Koa is going to be a freak athlete at that size. Can't wait to see which NFL team gets another WAD

in the building we're very lucky to have you we appreciate you back on CBS this weekend no I'm this weekend

we got Burnley Man United I'll be watching from here and next weekend I'm in Houston for the Ring of Honor I'm back on CBS

the week after that alright well we appreciate you man you're not in any Ring of Honors right now so to hell with the week after that. All right. Well, we appreciate you, man. You're not in any Ring of Honors right now, so to hell with you. Yeah, true. Ladies and gentlemen,

owner of Burnley FC. Is that right? Yes, that's correct. I didn't know if that was a dramatic pause or if that was a pause asking for confirmation. Yeah, I should have done

a little bit more at the end of that whole thing there. A little good acting. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. White. J.J. White. J.J. White! Yeah, he wanted to talk about Brock Purdy.

He said, I would like to talk about Brock Purdy. This guy ain't getting paid a damn thing. This guy's getting paid absolutely nothing, and he is slicing and dicing for him, which is a massive weapon. He has somehow, even with a book out on him, maintained how good he was last year in his first six starts when nobody knew him. Good play caller, Obviously a good player.

Great weapons around him. The offensive line, if you look at him, probably man for man, probably not the most talented. But the scheme, like AQ talked about earlier, helps him out a ton. And what that offense has kind of been known for for some years now is kind of, hey, take what they give you, dink and dunk, get the ball in the athlete's hands. But Brock Purdy is more so like, hey, I'm going to take what I want. I'm going to move my eyes.

I'm going to control safety, these linebackers, and I'm going to drop my nuts and throw that ball down the field. I think a perfect rating, I know the first week, throwing past the six and the quarterback. We had Ayuk on our fantasy bench there. It feels like he and Ayuk have a great connection with him, and everybody seemingly have a good connection. Remember last year, whenever he came in,

it was when Kittle picked up what Kittle had been doing. He's also a leader of men, which I think is what J.J. was trying to talk about. He galvanizes that group. He's a leader. He's got that Jimmy G quality, A.J. I mean, just watch his poise in the pocket at all times. He reminds me, like when you watch him go down on a long drive,

I'm sure you've seen it, Pat, when Tom Brady was rolling, when he would drive down the field tom would just walk super proudly between like each play i'm not comparing him saying he's tom brady obviously yeah i'm saying between from play to play his poise and how he walks down the field and kind of stalks the opponent reminds you of what tom would do oh so you're saying let me make sure i have this right as i think you're saying, let me make sure I have this right as I take my, you're saying Brock Purdy, Tom Brady? I'm saying how he reminds me of Tom when he walks, how he stalks down the field when he's on a long drive.

So you're saying. He's never not in control, it seems like. Okay. I heard that comparison in office last week, too, by somebody up in the state. So you're saying. AQ. Super Bowl champion.

You're saying Brock Purdy, Tom Brady? Second coming? Brock Brady? No, I just made a simple comparison of one thing that he does that reminds me of Tom. Gets rid of the ball very quickly, too. You know I'm a big fan of anyone with a quick release. Tom Brady does that as well.

Anything else? Brock is awesome. Brock Purdy is awesome. I love watching the kids. Brock changed his face yet? He's not the only one. We saw some other people on TV today for the first time they got brand new faces. That's just a part of life.

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We'll see you all tomorrow. Goodbye. Incredible. You remember when I used to do that? I forgot I used to do that. Oh, yeah. Now you're doing it with a hard out on ESPN. You do it as it I used to do that? I forgot I used to do that. Now you're doing it with a hard out on ESPN. You do it as it's going to sports.

I forgot I used to do that. I forgot I used to do that. All the time. That was literally in the moment. I'm like, oh, my God. Yes, I used to be able to put AJ in a terrible position. Because AJ loves motivational speech. Isn't that like your big thing?

Yeah, they work every day. They always work. Okay, so we got four NFL guys right now currently sitting on microphones. Okay, right now. Darius, how do you feel about motivational speeches? You know what I heard last night? Kirby Smart. Halftime. Pretty legit.

So it depends. I think the timing, the delivery, who it is, when it happens. Let's give a percentage. Let's give a percentage that you've heard as a football player. I would say about 8%. Okay, 8%. We got 8% as a word. That's not bad at all. AQ Shipley, your thoughts on motivational speeches.

Give a percentage of the amount of speeches that you've been told since you got into big-time college football at Penn State through your NFL career that really got you going and needed to be heard and worked. 0.0003%. 0.0003%. There was one? What about?

That's a small. Hold on. That number sounds oddly familiar. 0.0003%. Yeah. There was some other. Wasn't that a stat? Yeah, that was a stat.

Oh, you mean the denominator? I think that was. I think that was. There was a denominator in it. What was a stat. Oh, you mean the denominator? I think that was. I think that was. It was a denominator, isn't it? What was the.0003, though? That had to be a really serious one. Yeah, whose was it? It was Tom's.

It was Tom's before the Super Bowl. The same one that he gave to New England. Yeah, the same one he gave to New England a couple times. Yeah, but that thing was awesome. I didn't know it was recycled. Oh, yeah. I wish I never found out it was recycled because that thing was awesome. It's been leaked once before the Seattle Super Bowl.

Your family's honored. Bingo. That one, right? Yeah, that one's pretty good. And you what? Put the helmet on and ran right into a wall? Yeah, I was ready. Yeah.

I mean, I was kind of like walking out, and then I was like, wait a second. I'm going to stick around for this one. Yeah. So you're.0003%. That's it. You're 8%. AJ, why don't you give a take on the percentages of motivational speeches that have really scratched you where you itch?

It depends when you start because in high school, I was very impressionable, would do anything for my coaches because I had so much respect for them, and they legit would give like – they would never call it a pregame speech, but how we would talk to the team for 30 seconds before we go out would, yes, they absolutely worked. But then in college, Jim Trestle, he definitely would never say, hey, we would talk to the team for 30 seconds before we go out would, yes, they absolutely worked. But then in college, Jim Trestle, he definitely would never say, hey, I'm going to give you a motivational speech.

He was just an inspiring dude and was awesome. But then after that, I think as you grow up, you just don't, we don't really need them anymore. Like we just don't, like if you're not intrinsically motivated, you don't deserve to be a professional athlete, I think. So when those people were talking, you just had to put a percentage on how many it really worked and you know kind of i think the best ones are organic the best ones are totally organic when someone that usually doesn't speak all of a sudden speaks and you're like okay i can feel the passion coming from this person

i know it's real because they don't try to do it only when the camera's here we all know the people that oh there's a camera hey everyone hold up, huddle up, huddle up. Game ball. The camera gets me in the middle. Oh, yeah. You know, those are tough sometimes. Who does that? He had a teammate like that. Oh, yeah. He did, too.

You were the guy who did slam poetry, you said. No, that was at the rookie show, and that was one of the most obnoxious things. The least amount of self-awareness I've ever seen out of a human in my entire life was during that rookie show doing slam poetry, thinking that we were going to do this snap it up we did it pal but like there was a guy on our team who i think we all liked as a human but the whole song and dance was a little bit old for his production you know because you have to be good too like you uh if you're gonna talk you gotta be good because if you're talking you're not good, then it's like, oh, we hate this guy. Shut up.

So it's like, is it? Make a play. That's real, yeah. Why don't you shut your mouth, okay? Why don't you help us? And I'm the punter, so I'm not saying this. I am just a part of the crowd observing and reporting about what is working, what's not working.

I'm never talking in front of anybody, okay? That needs to be known in the football world. Kickers and punters. They had that girl. Remember they had that girl? Oh yeah, Sarah Fuller. For Vanderbilt. She was a great soccer player. Stud soccer player. Very good. Had a big leg. Kicked the ball well, I think. Not going to be in the NFL,

but kicked the ball. And I don't know if that's ever going to happen, by the way. It takes a lot of explosion to be able to move a ball as big. Maybe there will come a lady who can do it, but I don't think... But, like, they had her speak at halftime to the team, and I think Sarah Fuller got bamboozled in that whole thing.

They get their asses beat. They make this girl go speak, and then all of a sudden, that's just like a setup for everybody. It was her first week on the team. First week playing football. And they're like, yeah, we need you to speak to the team at halftime. I'm like, did anybody tell her that punters and kickers, first of all, never, ever speak to, like, we are not.

There's no reason. Vinatieri, when he spoke, though, felt like Vinatieri. When Vinatieri spoke, people listened. But he didn't do a lot of talking. There's no Al Pacino in real life. There's no any given Sunday Al Pacino speech is going on in real life. I mean, there is maybe, but that one with the music and how dramatic it is makes it awesome i'm like it's not exactly like that usually yeah so we would like to let sarah fuller know you got bamboozled yeah no

head no shot the fact that the fact that anybody told you told her that like hey you should go rally troop time yeah and like in the movies you know and in the that's why i brought this up because in like the media and in the movies boy they know, and that's why I brought this up. Because in like the media and in the movies, boy, they love the person that's doing the speaking. And I don't know if it's been chatted about enough that behind the scenes, normally that person talking is getting cooked by everybody. Like, okay, you're doing a sitcom right now. You are doing, this is a movie you are doing. This is real life here not working.

So I think Sarah got bamboozled. I would like to go on the record of stating that But I'm happy we're having this convo because There's a lot of people that think those are real And like that matters And I think there's a lot of young kids that think that's how they're supposed to be And it's like you're almost setting yourself up to be hated If you do that too much

What about like the Kelsey thing Like the night before the Super Bowl Because in the Kelsey doc he has an entire I don't think there's a motivational speech It didn't seem like think those are motivational speeches. Yeah, those aren't – yeah, it didn't seem like that. But are those speeches – That doesn't count.

Do those actually help? I mean, that's in my percentage. That counts. Yeah, but listen, I put it at 5%. And if Kelsey's giving a speech up there the night before a Super Bowl, I think that is – It was so good too. Those are more experience, right?

Like those are like, hey, listen, we've been through this journey together. I don't think that's meant to be like, hey, this is – this is going to get us going for tomorrow's game. That's just like rehashing, talking about the brotherhood, all that stuff. That's campfire. Right? You were saying.

Yeah, I think. But I'm counting on it. You see how much he cares. I'm going to see how much he cares about you. But a lot of those people that speak the night before games, too, they suck, too. I mean, we saw Jason Kelsey when it was good. There's a lot of people that are speaking in front of teams that are not you know yeah like payton before the super bowl or even aaron before this

like was there any so for either of you uh peyton he wasn't a big you know for how much it's the super bowl i don't think you need it but i don't think you need a big rah-rah i don't remember i was a rookie the only thing i remember is we changed hotels again the super bowl and it was the whole song and dance here going to another hotel. Then we had to check in and do that whole thing. We had a meeting. I don't remember if anybody spoke the night before. Really?

I assume Peyton said something. Yeah, I had to. Peyton talks to the offense. Offense talks to the offense. Defense talks to the defense. There's always that. I'm in just the team meeting part and the special teams meeting part. I don't know how often a lot of people are talking.

He was so intense and into it, too. he'd do that shit in real time if he needed to you know like if so if i mean if snap the ball yeah exactly like shut up jim just just block like he he doesn't need to like i don't need to do this in the locker room because if i if something needs to be said like i'll fucking say it on the sideline he was he was a great leader he was an incredible leader and And if he was to speak ever, everybody would listen because they know they had to because that's the quarterback, head coach, and the general manager talking.

Cut your ass. At the same time. You know what I mean? He's the guy. Jim Ursae speaking now. That's must listen. When he's doing the songs, remember that? What do you do? The song in Hard Knocks? What do you do? What happens? Someone fart or something? Why are you laughing? A butch? I don't know.

A deep butch. The floor is yours. And you can follow. His reaction's got a good pop. He's putting that 8% too. We got the quote right outside the locker room too. That's right. A banger.

When you walk in this locker room, it's a circle. You recite that, right? You know it works for words? It's not a circle. It's like a circle. There's no edges. It's a circle. And your no edges. It's a circle. And your obligation to everybody else in the circle is to make sure that the circle is

as strong as the circle can be. And that's Jim Irsay. Yep. Michael Scott. That's right. Boom. That's how it goes. Right outside the locker room.

The boys are winning. The boys are winning. Jim Irsay, Michael Scott, the guy who married Chuck and Larry. Which is the you can do it guy. Yes. Circle. Rob Schneider. He's the one that did it. Listen, everybody stop laughing.

Okay? And depending upon how many times you read this quote outside the locker room, I guess that would change the percentage. Do we have that? Can we get that? Yep, please. Thank you. Depending upon how many times you read this i guess changes the percentage of motivational speeches working true like for instance i'm walking into that colts locker room and i'm reading that thing every day

so that's one motivational speech from jim mercer every single day wow that's hitting so i'm probably up to 50 55 percent yeah if that is right out there so You're on your way out, too. Oh, yeah. Why not take a little peek? Twice a day. Did I fulfill my obligation to circle today? That's a good question. When you walk in the locker room, there's a circle. And my obligation to everyone in that locker room is the circle has to be as strong as possible to give us a chance to win. I don't know how that was the quote.

That's amazing. I don't know how that was the quote. That's what he said. It's kind of like the chain, you know, the weakest link. You're only as strong as your weakest link. Is that kind of a take on this? I think, you know what? Everybody kind of takes it.

It's hard. Those are my favorites. Everybody kind of takes it. It is hard. Whenever you walk into the locker room, there's a chain link on everyone's chair. That's right. Don't be the weak one. Don't be.

Jets did that. Don't be the missing one. And don't be the weak one. That's right. But when you read this, AQ, what does it do? Are you ready to flip that table and kind of go through it? Yeah, this might move it up to.000032%. Oh, wow.

You only read it one time. We can start reading that thing every single day. Mike, get up to one. Didn't Joe Pa ever get you guys going? I don't think he ever spoke before a game. I think he was like Andy Reid. Like, there we go. Andy Reid never says anything.

Beast. It's awesome Hey Kush Nebraska He was worried about Nebraska In the HBO mock stock that we've seen He was much more worried about Nebraska than anything else He played Nebraska 45 straight years That was crazy He seemingly knew a lot about Nebraska

But he just couldn't help but learn more and more and more and more. He kept going on and on and on and on and on. Hey, Penn State's got a team this year. Big game this week, me and Ty. Hey, let's go though. I mean, Illinois was a little bit of a song and dance, but I've gone on the record, both on the college football

game day, college football show, and on our show. I think this year is different for Penn State. Do you agree with that or no? You put your head down immediately. I did. I didn't like the way they looked against Illinois. I didn't like the way they looked. Yeah, but a lot of teams laid an egg this past week. What is that, just a week three, everybody

goes to sleep? I don't know. You're dealing with 18 to, what, 45-year-olds now in college football? Yeah, so I can't just apply for a 10th year, right? Yeah, he's been in since 2016. And Tez Walker can't play. Okay. I'm about sick of it.

Okay? About sick of it. The NCAA is a sham and a mockery. And the more stuff we hear, there's a kicker for Virginia. He's 30. Yes. Marine. Thank you for your service, obviously.

But he's admitted in there because his clock never started, I guess, because he went to the Marines or whatever. And there's people getting extra years because of COVID. And this guy transferring. Aussies are coming in at the age of 25, 26. American Dream taking place. And this Tez guy can't just get – why can't we just let him fucking play? What do we even – no human in the entire college football world

thinks he shouldn't play, except for the assholes at the NCAA that are upholding the rules. You should go down the street. The NCAA is here. Oh, yeah. And give one of those motivational speeches to them about this. Buddy, I've been crushing the NCAA for what? Since the day we got our microphone. I am not a believer in that operation down there.

I don't think there's any brains there. I don't think there's any brains there. Yeah. I don't think there's any brains there. I assume there's good people in there somewhere, but everything they do that gets made public is, like, dumb, bad, stupid, not the right way about going things in my eyes. The Tez won for sure. Now let's get back to Penn State, though. You don't believe in them.

Why? Because they had a bad week? No, I believe in them. I'm a big believer in the quarterback. I think the quarterback's a stud, and I just think they got to get the passing game going. I think there was a lot of hype going in. They're going to score a ton of points.

They're going to do this. I thought their passing offense looked terrible against Illinois. Now, maybe Illinois is better than I gave them credit for. Who knows? Illinois, the first couple weeks, were 120th in defense or something like that. Perfect. There it is. There's my answer.

The whole secondary went to the league. The best shit got drafted. Oh, they lost a lot of people? Yeah, everyone. Oh, the Illinois bloggers told me I didn't know ball whenever I said they lost their whole defense. Even defense coordinator's not there. Defense coordinator gone, whole secondary gone. That's going to be a little difficult

to pick up, but it seems like you think they have. They found it this year. The new Illinois defense played against you guys well. They looked good against us. It took them a while. They obviously covered. They did their thing at the end. The running game was solid, but they got a stud NFL quarterback. They got good

receivers. Let's go. Get some scheme going. Who's the OC? He's from Youngstown State. Mike Jancic. Is that his name? I think it's Trestle. Jim Trestle. Trestle Disciple, right?

I think they're both at Youngstown State. Youngstown State is where everybody goes. You just kind of find your way down in Youngstown. Great city, great place. Iowa's defense very good. So there's going to be another one of those. You'll be able to find it out. Phil Parker. Iowa too is like like they've always kind of played penn state well they play to the level of their competition which is why a lot of times like you know they'll be eight

no and then they'll fucking get beat by northwestern by two touchdowns at home because they kind of just play to whoever their competition is i think they'll get up for this one though in happy valley night game we'll see uh they're They didn't look that great last week. I mean, they beat the shit out of Western Michigan, but they should. Cade McNamara is still kind of banged up, which worries me a little bit. But I think it's going to be a good game.

I think Penn State's 14.5-point favorites. I don't know if they'll win. I hope they do, but I fully expect Iowa to cover. Maybe AI Ferentz will call plays, too. That's our favorite. Our favorite Ferentz is the AI one. College got a lot of great games. Colorado going to Oregon.

That's huge. Without Travis Hunter, that's the wrong time to lose your guy. That kind of scares me. I've been a big Colorado supporter since the very beginning because I support Prime. I think Shador is an absolute DOG! But Travis Hunter is the difference maker obviously 136 plays

over the first two weeks him to get hurt now going into uh oregon then usc next week yeah could be a tough couple weeks but that's big time game aj on abc at 330. it's gonna be fun to watch i mean they have tons of talent that's what you've mentioned before there's a lot of talent on the team we probably haven't even seen play yet because true of who is who is running it's like probably almost i'm not gonna going to claim, though, like in Alabama how deep Alabama would be at times. Oh, their fourth and third running back is getting drafted and stuff like that. I'm big on comparisons today to big-time institutions and big-time players.

No, you're right, though. We haven't even seen the depth. They have 80 new players this year, and we haven't really seen much of it because we haven't had to. Now we're going to check it out. Two positions, obviously, Travis out is corner, wide receiver. Who's going to make up for explosive plays? Ex-Weaver, that wide receiver with the dreads, he is phenomenal.

They're tight end, 87. I forget who he is. He's big, fast, strong, seems to be. Has a big game. Yeah, he'll be the guy, I think, without Travis Hunter alongside the ex-Weaver or whatever. 20-point dogs. I heard.

Yeah, true. Yeah, both their wideouts, him and Jimmy Horn Jr., are both from USF. Both USF transfers. Great. I can't wait to see how they handle it. But Oregon's a great football team. And then, obviously, all eyes are on South Bend, Indiana. That's right.

As Ohio State travels in to take on Notre Dame. We'll be there live on Friday from the game day set, which I believe is on the field near Touchdown Jesus. Oh, hell yeah. Okay. I believe. On the quad? I don't know. Is that what it's called?

That's what I call a lot of grass on a lot of campuses. That is what they call it in Bama. They did call it that in Bama. And I assume other places they've called it that. We're not in Hermson Shore. But are you confident in this Ohio State team here against Marcus Freeman in Notre Dame? I am.

I like, honestly, what Ohio State's defense is doing. I hope they can get some pressure on Sam Hartman. I think that guy could pick you apart if you let him sit there. Estimate, too, dog. Yeah. Offense line, great. Ohio State wants to run the ball, too, though. That's the thing.

They've been running it well. What's the over-under there? What's the line? That's a good question. The line is 2.5 or 3. Ohio State is favored. Okay. Wow. And what's the over-under? Because it sounds like this is going to a good question. The line is 2.5 or 3. Ohio State is favored. Wow. And what's the over-under? Because it sounds like this is going to be a quick game.

Oh, yeah. A lot of home dogs. Whoa. Yeah, dude. It's crazy. Especially with the vibes, allegedly, what it's going to be this weekend. Yes. And with quarterback, too, at Ohio State and all that. Yeah. With how Notre Dame has played, it is... Chip on the shoulder.

Yeah. I'm sure Freeman's bringing it up, if I had to guess. Down from, it started at 63 and a half. It's down to 55 and a half. Yeah, it's a quick eight points out of there. As the people started talking about, like, eh, probably going to run the rock a lot. Eh, probably going to run the rock a lot. Yeah.

Oh, okay, this is going to be a quick one, probably. Not a lot of turnovers, you know, unless there's a fumble here and there. So you start whittling away at those points. I think we're in for a good one. I cannot wait to get to South Bend on there. So you start whittling away at those points. I think we're in for a good one. I cannot wait to get to South Bend on Friday. Hopefully you will come join us. We've heard there's a little bit of a buzz.

There is some buzz. A little bit of a buzz. I mean, Marcus Freeman. Yeah, listen to what Coach Freeman said about the weekend and the hype around this particular game. I cannot believe this being real. I thought this was AI when it got sent to me. This is not AI. Here's Coach Freeman chit-chatting about the

buzz in South Bend. We're excited about the chance to go against a top-tier opponent, for sure. We're excited about just the atmosphere, the experience that's going to be here with College Game Day and the Pat McAfee show.

Whoa. How about it? Whoa. He's one of you wearing Notre Dame tank, by the way. Pretty cool. What's that, pal? He wanted you to wear a Notre Dame tank on the show. Okay, well, I want to wear a split jersey, but we can't all have split.

I was like, what's that? I guess neither of them will happen, right? No, well, you tell me. I don't know. I got to talk to my mother-in-law. She's got to find that thing, if so. It's framed in your bathroom. I don't know. I got to talk to my mother-in-law. She's got to find that thing if so. It's framed in your bathroom. Where's a general?

General Bob Carpenter. I know you know your way around every house that the Hawk family has. Need you to find that split jersey. Yes, let's call Bob. Let's make sure we get face-to-face. It's not in my house. Yeah, but there's a lot of houses. You know what I mean?

Come on, Hawk. You know it, Hawker. I'll wear that tank top of Coach Freeman. Thank you, Coach Freeman, for the love. Our draft class, too. Old night draft class. Freeman? Yeah, we were in the senior bowl together.

He was on North? Yeah. Did you guys win that game? No. Ooh. Ooh. Sorry. North-south kind of, you know. Well, they put West Virginia on south even though.

They put USC on south too. Yeah, we did. We had Ray Maluga. Really? We had Brian. Cushing? Cushing. We had that whole crew.

You had Clay too? You had Clay. Clay. Yeah, that's how I got along. That's how I met all these guys. It was awesome. It was great. We were on the bus.

It was like the whole superstar crew. Yeah. Just sitting there. Good dudes, by the way. All of Ray Maluga's head. Ray would not. Look, I'm telling you. Watch some footage of Ray.

Lyman, oh, Lyman, hey, I'm just going to pull around here. Nope. Ray is going to hit him in the side of the head, and the guy's going to go cold. That happened all the time. He was incredible, too. Very cool. Yeah, we got a big-time win. Pat White, obviously, MVP. That's what Pat does. If it's college football and Pat guy's going to go cold. That happened all the time. He was incredible too. Very cool. Yeah, we got a big time win. Pat White, obviously

MVP. That's what Pat does. If it's college football and Pat White's playing, he's going to win and he's going to get the MVP. Joining us now is a man that we need to go snoop around. Ladies and gentlemen, the General Bob Carpenter. General! General, thank you for making time for us here and we understand you're on the move and this was kind of unplanned.

Need you. General, you hear me i got you coach need you to find this split jersey that laura wore whenever aj took on brady for this friday show i need it we need it is there any way you could find this for us all right well i'll try to sneak up to the house um la Laura told me that it was up there somewhere. I've got to find it. I think it might be in a box, but I'll see what I can do. Yes.

Thank you, General. We appreciate it. That's all we need to hear. We know you're on it. He brought football back in the Big Ten. He'll find it. I assume he'll be able to bring that split jersey back. You didn't think I was going to do that, AJ.

When I said to you last night, I said, I definitely thought you were. I definitely thought. First off, I don't want to cut you off when you called me last night to tell me about the jersey, but I 100% thought you would absolutely call Bob thought. First off, I don't want to cut you off when you called me last night to tell me about the jersey. But I 100% thought you would absolutely call Bob and tell him to come find it. So as he was giving me the song and dance last night on the FaceTime, I'm like, hey, Bob, need to split jersey on Friday.

And he goes, I don't know where it is. I haven't seen that thing. You're going to have to ask somebody else for that whole thing. I'm like, are we making one or do you have one? He goes, yeah, you should probably make one one i don't know where it's at and i tell him i'm gonna have general bob carpenter search your entire fucking house yeah how about that he goes general bob won't be able to find i don't even know where it is i don't know where like the whole song of course the whole thing i can search my house all the way you could tear my house apart i know it's not here

which one it's my mother-in-law's had it from the jump. She's had it somewhere in storage from whenever it happened. Come on, chopper. We need you. Chopper. We need to call chopper. We need to call chopper. We'll get it. We'll find a way.

You just can't. I think she actually wants it back, though, if we take it. Her mom does. Oh, absolutely. Hey, we will bring it back. What do you think we're going to do? We're not going to do it. AJ's going to try to burn it.

It'd be easy to steal it. I don't want to forget it. Hey, so real talk, though, just as we're having our laughs about this, Laura hates that thing because of how big of a deal it got? Yeah, she doesn't want any coverage over anything. So, yeah. Because that became the story. Oh, yeah.

Zoom in on her. We're just naive. We're just super naive. We had no clue. And you hated it. After you guys were removed two weeks from it, you look back on it. Wow. Such a bad idea.

We hated everything about it. Is that what happened at the Hawk House about it? I mean, yeah. I mean, we just thought, man, yeah, if we had to do that over again, we wouldn't do that. Yeah. Look how awesome it is, though. Look how beautiful.

Don't do that. Oh, she's going to kill somebody. Oh! Oh, that's easy. It's a neat jersey. We're joking, Mr. Hawk. This is good, Laura. Yeah. You, that's good. It's a neat jersey. That's what I'm talking about. This is good, Laura.

Yeah. You're awesome, sister. Significant other. Come on, you did it. You started the whole craze. Now they're all over.

Everybody's doing it. You know what I mean? What? All right, let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side with Chris Carter. Excited to get his take. He's an Ohio State legend.

20 years ago, by the way. 20 years ago. Don't matter. Still matters. Okay. Still matters. You know what I mean? Still being talked about.

Put that thing in the fucking Hall of Fame. Why is it in the college football Hall of Fame? Why is it not hanging? Chris Carter, Middletown, Ohio, by the way. What's this guy's problem? We used to play them. Yeah, hold on. Chris is a little

bit older than you, but I understand the school references. Yeah. Does Sun Tzu not matter? Warburg too, right? It was a while ago.

Yeah, Sun Tzu was what? Is he dead or is he alive? Very dead. Yep. Deader than... He's very dead.

Things still matter. His offspring lives on. So it makes me wonder if he really wrote it. You know, how can he die that long ago and people still, well, I guess Jesus Christ. Yeah. Celebrate all the little moments of cheer and togetherness at Starbucks.

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but an Ohio State legend, a Hall of Famer in the NFL, and a man who we don't get to talk to enough, but every time he's on this show, he fucking kills it. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Carter. Yeah, Chris! How we doing, man? Good, man. Let me flip you around real quick.

Hey, you do what you gotta do. The house looks good. Oh, what's that back there? What's that back there? That's called the Thunderdome, dawg. Oh, okay. Alright, well, welcome to the Thunderdome. We wish we could be in there. Your house is beautiful. Incredible career. Great to see you, Chris. You look great. All right, well, welcome to the Thunderdome. We wish we could be in there. Your house is beautiful. Incredible career. Great to see you, Chris.

You look great. Yeah. You look great. Thank you, man. How you guys doing? Just busy as hell, Chris. You know, football season, once it gets started, it's kind of a nonstop watching football thing,

and we're lucky to do it. I think you got to move to your right. Boom. There you go. Boom. We're figuring it out. Congrats on all the success, too, man. We're busy, Chris.

You know, we're just very busy, you know, trying to figure it all out, enjoy it. What are your thoughts here early in this football season? You follow college much? Do you watch NFL? Is it all football? What is it for you? It's all football for me. And NFL will always be first.

And college football, always watching that closely. It's wide open this year, just like the NFL. So, man, everybody's watching what's going open this year, just like the NFL. So man, everybody's watching what's going on with my boy prime there in Colorado. So. I think it changed the conversation about college football out there. You know what I mean? Cause there's a business side of it too,

which I think a lot of us who are NFL fans, we appreciate the business side of the NFL. We like to see what the deals are. Who's making what the pressure, the, what are the numbers, the ratings, the TV deals. It's like Dion has taken all of that and made it very prevalent in colorado where

i think he's getting a percentage of ticket sales so we're like watching that place sell out either on prime time now every single weekend now 10 p.m is a little bit too late of a start but all eyes are on colorado a team that lost 11 games last year for i think it's like the fourth time in fbs history that a team has started 3-0. They might actually win too, Chris. It's not just bullshit. It's not just hype. Like, they're an actual good team, and I think they're going to be that way for the rest

of the season, Chris. Deion's always been special. He's always been elite at anything that he's done. When he first showed up in the NFL, he had a hat on and glasses. So when the coach started saying stuff like that, I was like, oh, he doesn't know who he's dealing with. Don't get caught up in the flash. He is a brilliant, brilliant athlete. He is a great communicator.

And the thing that he has that most elite athletes don't have and the reason why they're not good teachers or coaches, athletes don't have and the reason why they're not good teachers or coaches he has a tremendous amount of patience with young people and realizing that they are not him deon sanders is the real real deal you know what else is the real deal that backdrop hey we just cut to you full screen oh hey everyone's probably gonna remind yourself chris everyone's gonna get to remind yourself out there. I was talking to someone. They asked me, could you send a resume? I said, here it is.

All right, Ohio State's got Notre Dame this weekend. It's a big one. Game day will be there. This Ohio State team, brand-new quarterback this year. They just boat raced somebody this past weekend. How do you feel about Ohio State? Are we winning an Addy with a new quarterback? And what about Marvin Harris Jr., who just happens to be maybe the most talented

wide receiver college football has seen, Chris? No, he's definitely the most talented wide receiver in college football. As far as their quarterback situation, you have to trust the coach. The coach has developed other good quarterbacks, and you've got to go back on history. That offense that they have there in Columbus has been developed by him. So I trust him that he's going to do the right thing. And you've got to give kids reps, man.

We want this instantaneous success. We want guys to be, as soon as they touch the field, to be successful. I mean, it used to be a grind to this thing. Football is very, very difficult, and nothing makes me more upset than people that play the game, and they get on shows like this, and they act as if the game is easy or as if it was ever easy. Man, it was never, ever easy the first day. It was never easy on the last day. And I don't know why people have that misconception as far as the process.

We all need the process. Yeah, people forget whenever they get on a microphone. Go ahead, AJ. Chris, how long do you think it takes? I know you've caught touchdown passes from many different quarterbacks at all different levels. We're talking about Ohio State working on a new quarterback, Kyle McCourt, here. For him and the receivers to get on the same page,

does it just take game reps over and over to kind of build that rapport? And how quickly do you think you can get that? Well, one of the things too, AJ, that we don't know. We don't know what's the ceiling on this athlete. Like, how much development does he

have left? And when he gets on the field, man, there are people you see when there's 30,000, they're terrified. When there's 130,000, they don't care. They can't hear one thing. So we forget all those things as far as what makes someone special. Can they respond? Can they take coaching? Are they open? Can they continue to learn? So I do believe they're doing the right things. I thought the rotation, the first couple of games, it's the right thing to do, but now you're getting down to it. It's time to get paid. So now you got to put the

guy in there who you believe can throw the ball. They got three or four pro wide receivers. I mean, Brian Hartline, goodness gracious, what he's doing there every single year. I mean, there's fact that wide receivers, and I believe Marvin Harrison will go down as one of the greatest ever, if not the greatest ever, Buckeye wide receiver to play college football. Well, you're an Ohio State Buckeye legend, obviously, who had great success in college. And then in the NFL, we all know now you're Hall of Famer and legend of the game.

Let's talk about the NFL. Let's talk about the Minnesota Vikings a little bit. A little bit different this year than last year, Chris. You know, a little bit different. Now, I don't think Kirk is the issue, though, right? Kirk is not seemingly the problem. You got people in New York saying, we'll trade for Kirk Cousins right now. Get him over here.

Get him out of there. What does this year look like for the Vikings, you think, after this first two-week start? Well, I'm going to take you back to last year. And last year, they could have easily finished 10-7. I mean, all those late-minute comebacks, and to me, they're not a team that has the top 10 talented teams in the NFL. I do like what they're doing as far as their front office, their general manager, the type of players they're looking at, and with their coach. I do believe

that he is special. So for me, I thought there was going to be a correction coming this season. Kirk Cousins has never been the problem in Minnesota, but they're undersized on the offensive line. Their center's undersized. Now their center's hurt. Their best offensive lineman left tackle, he's been out. You let Dalvin Cook walk out the door as if anybody can rush for 1,300, 1,500 yards, just waking up, like that's going to be easy to replace. Adam Thielen, his leadership's gone from there. So for me, I'm not surprised that a correction wouldn't come. I got shocked when they lost to Tampa Bay week number one. But, you know, it's going to be a tough, long season there in Minnesota.

And Tampa looks a lot better than any of us could have imagined. Congrats to Baker. Yeah. Congrats to Baker, seemingly finding it down there. Seemingly finding it down there. Excited to see how it goes. Darius has a question for you. Yes, sir. CC, you talked about it being a grind.

Obviously, football being hard. Great to see you, man. But wide receiver seems like one of those positions where guys are kind of hitting the ground running. You saw Justin Jefferson come in and be great early. Jamar Chase, Chris Olave. What is it about that position in today's NFL that it seems like these guys come in and are productive almost immediately?

Bruh, it's good seeing you, man. I think you do a great job on the show. Hell yeah, D-Buck. Appreciate you, CeCe. No, you do a great job on the show. But the reason why wide receivers, and it's because of the culture of football, and that culture doesn't just start at the NFL. It starts to the mom start taking little eight-year-old johnny and suzy out

and playing flag football so that right now the coaching of younger kids is better than ever seven on seven flag footballs at an all-time high and then also so now guys are comfortable with the ball in their hands so now when you go go to college, guess what Nick Saban likes to do? He's going to throw the ball. Guess what LSU is doing now? They're throwing the ball. Guess what Ohio State's doing now? They're throwing the ball.

So wide receiver is the old running back. We used to go get running backs into the NFL and just put him back there, and he could tote the rock. Now wide receivers are that because they've played so much wide receiver. People are throwing the ball at earlier ages. So that overall development is now in the NFL. It's nice that college football is so exciting with the passing game. So that's the reason why we see guys developing

and putting up big numbers earlier in their career. Justin Jefferson, alien, bro? He seems like since day one, right? I mean, how often have you chatted with him? But watching him just kind of do his thing regardless, he's getting like 120 in the first half and everybody knows he's the focal point of the offense. Why is he so special and how much have you gotten a chance to interact with him? Well, I interact with him an awful lot.

He's a very, very humble, humble individual. He respects the great tradition of wide receivers that we've had there in the purple. He wants information of how to get better. He does everything the right way around the facility. I mean, they are going to pay him probably $34 to $38 million within the next year. Hey, way to go. Way to go, wide receivers. Dang.

Sheesh. Way to go. Let's get it up there. But it's all those reasons I assume why he's so good is what it sounds like. But he's so deserving. And the reason why, he has the gait of a wide receiver. Very seldom do you ever see his feet coming parallel together, which is a no-no for wide receivers. You always see his feet out this way.

His acceleration in and out the breaks is special. He's a lot like Isaac Bruce as far as doing things like that, catching the ball in traffic, defeating the double team. He's a football savant. The coach tells me because they move him around every position in the offense. He's able to remember all those things. So special, special, special football player that we're witnessing every Sunday, Monday, Thursday, whenever he lays the love, man, something great to happen. Hold on.

My mind's blown. What did you mean about the feet? What are we talking about the feet? His feet aren't – his feet are – They don't come together because that's a bad position for wide receivers. You always want to be elongated one way or another because you can accelerate. You can't accelerate from this position. It's the worst position a wide receiver could ever be in.

I mean, I know a little bit about it, Pat, just a little bit. You always want, you want to have your feet stacked back. Ask the defensive back. Ask them what he would do with wide receivers. Their feet are close together or once their feet come together, what are you going to do? You're going to latch on to them. Sticky, get sticky on them.

I just, as you did the thing, I was like like what a fascinating way to describe why somebody's great i never even thought of that i guess it makes a lot of sense though i mean everything after you break it down he's just built to be a wide receiver it sounds like like he's just built to be an nfl wide receiver i think last year you went to the kentucky derby right well i've been before that guy went over there for sure. But when you go to the paddock, you see the horses walking. And take this

the right way. There's a certain gait to an athlete. You can see him. You can see the way he carries himself, the way his shoulders, the way his hips move, the way he sinks down his bottom. He's naturally, he runs like he's 5'7". Because the taller you are as a wide receiver,

the worse it is for the position because the higher your hip joint is off the ground, the harder it is to get it down low to make quick breaks. But he can transition in and out of his route the best in the game right now. So I don't know who said it first, but somebody on TV during the Draft Combine coverage said, I just want to see a big ass.

That's one of those things, though. Athletes, not only the way they walk, but the way an athlete is built, too. You can normally tell how somebody's going to be. That's why whenever we saw Kirk Herbstreet's kid, Jake Herbstreet, shoot a basketball, and he couldn't even hit the back.

This guy couldn't even hit the back. Everything about you says athlete. Everything about you. And then we do some athletic stuff and you don't do it. We understand completely what you're saying. Literally just happened. Let me tell you, one of the greatest big butt athletes of all time. And you guys make sure you tweet it out there, Instagram it out. Larry Fitzgerald.

His booty is ginormous. Pretty good. I mean, if you've got a big ass, you're going to catch 10 catches a game for 25 years. That's what Larry Fitzgerald did. And then, you're going to get called out on Chandler Jones' Instagram. That's going to happen immediately after.

Have you seen that? I don't want it to get too serious, but have you seen the Chandler Jones stuff happening right now? That seems a little bit alarming. Like, legitimately a bit alarming at this particular stand. Have you heard about this refresh my memory okay so we're literally in the middle of this right now like chandler jones von miller texted him and he he put out von's number pretty much on a screenshot of the text message then lebron LeBron sent him a message. Then Larry Fitzgerald sent him a green text. Yeah.

Don't want to judge. Don't want to judge. He's a big ass, caught a lot of footballs. We just heard it here from Chris Carter. But then Chandler kind of put him on blast that that whole thing happened, which I think leads to a bigger conversation. It's like the mental health, I feel like, of players is being chatted about more, but we're still having situations kind of pop up seemingly.

We do not know if Chandler's hurt or what is happening, seemingly not in a good place with the Raiders. How do you feel about that whole aspect of the NFL and how it's kind of handled in the modern athlete with the amount of scrutiny and how you have to manage getting through day to day, Chris? Well, I want to make sure that we give the right tone to this. Because, you know, someone's life could be in jeopardy. And playing in the NFL is a special, special thing.

And if someone was trying to take it away from you or you felt like someone was disrespecting your talent or wasting your talent there, we've seen these things happen. But I think that as far as athletes and the National Football League, we're in the best spot that we've ever been in you know the reason why because we listen and we really care and i got a lot of guys that are friends of mine that you know they're older and their mental health and their overall health it has really been compromised and most of that is because the game of football so i love the help i love that we can talk about it now i love that you don't have to be perfect i love that people accept you're having a bad day because all of us have been through it but we grew up in an era and claimed in the era that people didn't want to talk about it so now if you really really care about us care about

the mind the body and the soul Not just the performance on the field. Because one day they're going to take the air out the ball. Then where are we at? Who is this person? Who is this human being? So I got a great deal of respect for what we're doing professionally, and I got a great deal of respect that anyone thinks that right now I'm not at my absolute best. And that leads us in.

Hey, Chandler, a lot of us are on your side, buddy. Yep. You know what I mean? I think anybody and everybody is ready to have a chat. The NFL misses you. You know what I mean? Watching you play football is awesome. With that being said, AJ has a question with you, Chris.

Chris, you ever watch some of these wideouts with free releases a lot of times and not getting roughed up too much past five yards? And obviously, like, rules are a little different now to protect everybody. These receivers, I don't know, if you played in current-day NFL, how would you feel if you could go across the middle? You know, like, yeah, you're going to get lit up, but they're not going to take your skull off or they're going to get kicked out of the game.

Well, I just think for the betterment of the game. You know, I don't want to be the voice of the old man sitting in the back. Oh, my God, boy. No, no. The game is better. The game is safer now. I couldn't have played any better. I wouldn't have wanted to do my career over again. 16 years playing in this league, the first 15 years, I only missed four games. So, no, why would I change ever doing something like that i got a great deal of respect for the people that are running the game the changes that they made are for the betterment of the fans and the overall health of the wide receivers but the game is a little bit easier almost all games are easier the nba is easier national hockey league is easier

baseball it's a little bit easier they want to hit home runs now. They want to hit for average. So all the sports I believe, they've changed. Some of them for the better, but ours as far as overall health and protecting people, I do believe it's really advanced the game beyond our years. One

that I just, you know, UFC feels like mixed martial arts is not easier. Yeah, that is not good. It feels like everybody has gotten better in that one. You know what I mean? For sure. As we're thinking, we're going through those sports, and I'm like, yeah, it feels like that one's right.

Yeah, that one's right. Quicker, faster, slower, okay. And then it's like UFC, it's like, you remember that first one when there were a couple guys wearing gis and little guys, and then the Gracie guy comes in and was like, I'm from Brazil. You got a good point there y'all motherfuckers i never seen this before and then just oh big guy you're out you're out so i think that's the only one you're right it's it's as sports evolve you know that's kind

of how things go and every a lot of the decisions are made for money you think though uh obviously nfl and how do you feel about the business of the n right now? Business is booming right now for the NFL. It's only going to grow. I mean, how do you feel about the business? Great. We literally only talk about it. I mean, that's our show. We survive off of it.

We are leeches to the game. You know what I mean? Completely. Well, I went to three years of college at Ohio State. Then I went pro. Then I played 16 years in the nfl and then i worked 19 years with the broadcast partners in the last four years i've been working with the nfl and the league office in new york and the players and the legends so it's been my whole life i'm

soon to be 58 it's been so business is great man hey thank Hey, thank you, NFL. Thank you, NFL. We appreciate the hell out of you. Tone has a question for you, Chris. Yeah, Chris, early in the season, it feels like maybe not more than ever, but it's definitely noticeable where quarterbacks are either not being able to read or not being able to pull the trigger and kind of just not on the same page with wideouts. How, as a wideout, do you deal with that with a struggling quarterback who is either inaccurate

or not making the right reads? How would you deal with that this early in the season? Well, as far as continuity, the number one thing that you have to do is you have to try to make their job easy. So for me, I'm always going to get my depth because a quarterback, if he's

expecting you to be at 12 yards, most wide receivers are going to be short. A lot of wide receivers can't count that good. So at 10 yards, they're ready to come in and out of their break. But the quarterback's not ready. So the number one thing is make sure I get my depth so that he's comfortable. And I'm going to try to make a spectacular catch within the first few minutes of the game, the first quarter, to make him feel like,

man, you don't have to be perfect on it to me like my catch radius is not like right here my catch radius you throw that thing and i'm gonna catch it and players who don't have the ability the natural ability to throw it it really really helps their confidence so those are the things make sure you get your proper depth and try to do something special to loosen him up to be like, okay, I can trust him. Even a double team, he can defeat the double team. If I throw a back shoulder fade, he's going to protect the throw. So all those things really help with a quarterback psyche

because we all know who played the game. Those quarterbacks aren't the toughest guys in that locker room. I think that's a very valid point. Now, some of those shots, though, these dudes take, you know what I mean? Kurt. Kurt. On quarterback, we were watching him getting picked up. It's like in those moments while I'm watching, it's like, all right,

we find out now. Yeah. Right? We learn now because practice not touched. Life, everything's good. What type of food do you want? Where do you want to go? Here's better internet than everybody else has.

This is the life of a quarterback, literally their entire entire and then they take that one big shot it's like i think everybody even themselves are almost wondering like all right am i going to get back up from this or not it's like sometimes they don't and then the great ones do patrick mahomes yes think about these guys bro it's like we have a class right now chris i know nfl business is good right now but there was obviously going to be a convo about Post Payton and Tom and Aaron and all these men. This young class we got right now, Chris, seemingly more talented

than ever before. It is a beautiful thing, Chris. We've had great quarterbacks over the last 30 years and everything. I think that the bottom, guys at the bottom as far as the ranking can throw the ball better than guys in the 70s and 80s so i think that that makes for more quality but i do remember a time that john

elway dan marino joe montana they was balling all at the same time so you know we've been blessed with quarterbacks, but the transition has been good. And a lot of that has to do with youth football and the way they coach quarterbacks, that they are rock-hardy, ready, coming into the league, ready to throw the football and then make it a difference. So that helps how they're coached. Still misses, though.

You know, there's still people that don't, but it feels like we've got a great group of stars kind of coming up. Ty has a question for you. Have you got Connor? Yeah, Chris, obviously talks to the table, usually two people. One of them, who I won't say, had to take a very messy dump. But with that being said, Ty wanted to ask about Tyreek Hill. How does someone like that even exist, one?

How does he affect an offense? And how is he not the first overall pick? Because what he does on a football field is obviously second to none. I think Tyreek Hill right now, Justin Jeffers had a tremendous season last year. But what Tyreek Hill has done, absent of Patrick Mahomes, is truly amazing. Even last year when they struggled with that quarterback, they didn't struggle with wide receivers. I mean, I am truly impressed with his overall work ethic. I watch everything that he puts out there,

everything he does as far as social media. And also, I'm very good friends with Dan Marino. And Dan Marino said that, Chris, you'd be shocked how hard he works. Every single day, he is the hardest worker on the Dolphins team. So for me, he's a legendary player. Oh, you said legendary? Yeah, the reason why he's legendary is because he is the best, best player that we have ever seen.

And he is one of the few small guys that when he goes off the ground to catch the ball, he's so comfortable and he can come down. Most guys come down on the ground, but he can catch it and still accelerate his game off the ground for a small guy. It's unbelievable. For a guy that has electric speed like that, he is one of none.

We have never had a player like him in the history of the NFL. So enjoy. Tyreek Hill is special, special. Tell that dude get back to the bathroom, man. He's missing some good stuff. Yeah, he's listening. He's listening still in there. He's probably very thankful we're joining him. The speed in which he got up and

hit that court to get there feels like this one's going to be explosive. It felt like I got hit by a car. Yeah, I don't think he was going to. I think he thought he was going to be real close, especially towards the end. There was like a real his gate changed you know what i mean he had one of those his feet were together too you know what i mean like yeah that db would want to see it you know what i'm saying he was scooting along just like this chris but he was listening oh a lot of gospel coming darius will tell you this too and we had randy

monster prep and we had randy ds have the biggest ego on the field. They square up and down, but this guy cannot run it. Oh, he ain't that fast, y'all. Oh, he ain't that fast, y'all. That's what Tyra Hill was doing for the last five or six years. Oh, he ain't that fast. Okay, yes, he is. Randy Moss, oh, he's not that fast.

So that type of speed effect on the offense, it just creates space for so many things that the offense can do when you have that type of speed. All right. Yeah, absolutely. And it's pretty apparent, too, that not every defense coordinator respects him still at this stage, too. Yeah.

Some of the decisions that are getting made, it's like, what are they doing? And then Tyreek sees it, and McDaniel sees it, and Tua seemingly can put the ball in a keyhole. His arm is impressive. It's not easy to hit those guys that are running that fast either. I don't think that gets chatted about much. No.

No, it's amazing the windows they throw into. If you watch the clips of what they've done the first two weeks, like anticipation, timing, and accuracy, that's his whole game. He is Steve Young reincarnated. That's because Steve Young didn't have a big-time arm, but his anticipation to be able to throw the ball down the field where you're supposed to be in those windows. It's really nice to be able to see him develop.

And what the coach is doing down there is something special so no one runs their offense like the dolphins no one runs them i think i'm going to see them this week play rust in them um they're playing down here in south florida oh hey how is south florida you ride bikes everybody's cycling down there you a cyclist no i'm not a cycle i'm a motorcycle man i've been in south florida for 30 years harley harley guy or yeah harley white man white flangs leather oh what are we doing bandana on face you go bandana on face no i just have the stage on and um yeah no helmet uh for the most part down by the beach i ride by the beach man i don't i don't do any road ride yeah it's scary out there on the road i also uh motorcyclist as well i absolutely love it

but i'll go bandana on face you know whenever i'm poor because i'm going no helmet either so the hair flow sunglasses bandana i look like a bad motherfucker pulling up you know what i mean it's awesome well at least you're trying to look like a bad dude. I feel like I'm comfortable. I'm wherever I want to see this, so I'm cool with it. Okay, well, you look like a bad dude just waking up. That's how it goes. We appreciate the hell out of you, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, we'll talk to you again soon, huh?

Let's do it, baby. Okay, you're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Carter. Yeah, Chris! Legend. Absolute legend. He's always good on our show. So he's been working with the NFL Legends community.

Is that what you heard, AJ? Yeah. I don't know exactly what he does, but I've heard that. I should have brought up the Tekeo Spikes seat. You know what I mean? Oh, boy. Because that was with the NFL Legends. Do you get emails from the NFL Legends community, I assume?

Yes, I do. Do you? Yep. Do you? Yep. They're trying real hard, aren't they? They're coming along. Legit.

So here's the thing. NFL Legends, I think, is through the NFL community. Yeah. And then the NFLPA, obviously. It's like, right? The NFLPA is for players. Not so much retired players, though. You know, we got to worry about ours.

Direct quote from somebody at the NFLPA to, you know, our team asking a question about, like, retired players. So that certainly taught me a lot. Well, we're all going to be retired players. Yeah, but we got to worry about ours. Yeah, but that is ours. But not yours, I guess, because you're the lawyers. They're going to be here forever.

Oh, wait, we should. No, we're, okay. Oh, so we're fucking retired players? Oh. Oh, okay. Seems like that is, okay, that's the mindset. Now, not necessarily the case anymore. There's new leadership in there

and new conversations and more money now and all that but then nfl legends community is put together by the nfl i believe and they're like hey we want to offer things to nfl players they got events at every big event that you can go to they got like job shadows job things checkups too i see the health things that i've thought about i should eventually go to one of those but do like the full two or three day physical one. They run out like a full conference. They give you hotels.

Nobody really talks about it that much though. I think the NFL legends are very proud. The NFL legends community. I think Ryan Leaf is working with it pretty big. Is Jimmy Johnson in it for a little? No. He was working with one of those. They're trying to get a lot of shit. Lifetime health insurance. I think he comes. Is Jimmy Johnson in it for a little? No. I don't know. Because he was working with one of those. But they're trying to get a lot of shit.

Like, you know, lifetime health insurance and stuff like that. I think it'll come through the NFL Legends community before it comes through the NFLPA personally. Need it. I'd be huge. Big time. Legit. I don't know how it hasn't happened yet.

That feels like an easy marketing thing through it all. But how about the NFL suing the NFLPA? Did you see that? Whoa. Over the running back shot? What about? Yeah, they're filing litigation that the NFLPA was basically recommending to people to fake injuries to kind of add leverage for the running back contract situation.

The NFL, I don't know if it's suing them or filed an injunction. And who would even hear that? A court? What does it even mean? I don't know. But the NFL publicly said, hey, we don't like what the fuck you did there, pretty much, is what they publicly announced. Did you see this?

Yeah, and I remember that news kind of came out. I thought it was amongst the running backs, and that came out from the Zoom meeting. It was kind of leaked. I don't think that was from the PA, but, I mean, that wouldn't be. So Tretter, actually, J.C. Tretter, who, a friend of the program, was actually quoted in some interview talking about gaining leverage however you possibly can.

That ain't a good way. Yeah. Well, I think he alluded to it, though. The NFL is filing a grievance against the NFLPA over allegations the union advised running backs to consider feening or exaggerating. That's a good word there. Feening? Feening?

I think it's like feening. Yeah, is it rain? Feining. Feining? Feining? Feining. What a word. Hell yeah. Iigning? Feigning. What a word. Hell yeah.

I wonder how the NFL. What does a grievance mean exactly? Or exaggerating injuries to gain leverage to contract talks and seeking an order for the union to cease and desist from such improper conduct. Now, exaggerating injuries. Can you search up J.C. Tretter injuries in this thing? Because I think Mike Florio quoted one and said uh well all of a

sudden this quote seems much more important now from J.C. Tretter whenever some other maybe a couple months ago when the running back thing was happening J.C. Tretter obviously very high in the NFL PA and I assume he just said something in an interview passively but then when Jim Ursae puts out the there's some contracts, there's some agents operating in bad faith right now telling the running backs to do stuff. I think that, and then the agent comes firing back at Jim Irsay.

I think then Jim Irsay rallies the troops about like, this is bad faith going on here. And I don't know, though. What does that mean? A grievance comes. Asked on Ross Tucker's podcast if running backs like Saquon should claim they're not 100% healthy as a means of holding out. Tretter said that he couldn't recommend faking injuries publicly, but he didn't exactly rule it out either.

You need to try and create as much leverage as you possibly can, Tretter said, and that's the tough thing with the franchise tagger being restricted in the movement is it decreases your leverage, but then you have to find creative ways to build leverage elsewhere. I think we've seen issues now. I don't think anybody would say there are fake injuries, but we've seen players who didn't want to be where they currently are have injuries that made them unedible to practice and play,

but you're not able to get it fined, and you're not able to be punished for not reporting. So there are issues like that. I don't think I'm allowed to ever recommend that, at least publicly, but I think each player needs to find a way to build up leverage to try and get a fair deal, and that's really what all these guys are looking for is to be compensated fairly.

leverage to try and get a fair deal and that's really what all these guys are looking for is to be compensated fairly so that quote i would assume was the thing after jim ursae or others were like this is bullshit what's going on here was the thing that they kind of find but i didn't hear him say hey they should do it i think he was just pointing out the obvious that it has happened not only in the nfl but nba i mean james harden oh yeah Oh, yeah. James Harden. I mean, this has happened elsewhere. It's not like they created it, you know, AJ? No. They just don't want him to talk about it anymore. The cease and desist part of the end,

like they just want him to shut it down and not continue this conversation. So, yeah, maybe he's in the middle. Where's J.C. Tretter right now? He's not playing. Yeah, he's not playing. He's out of the league. He retired.

We should text him. Yeah, let's text him. Ah, cold call. Yeah, cold call. Let's tell him we're on,. He retired. We should text him. Yeah, let's text him. Ah, cold call. Yeah, cold call. Let's tell him we're on, though, you know, obviously because everything he says is going to be literally in a grievance. What is that? Who hears that?

Like, Judge Judy? Goodell. And he just crumples up the paper and throws it out. It's just for merit, you think? No, it's like getting a demerit. Like, giving someone, hey, that's one demerit. Okay, what happened? And how often does it happen?

Like, we're filing a grievance. Especially between those two. Okay, we'll move along. Thank you. We're filing a grievance. Yeah, but when players file grievances, typically they can get things resolved, like, pretty quick. If you file a grievance based on how, like,

an injury settlement might have gone down and they want to give you three weeks, now it might get moved to six weeks after you file the grievance. So, like, things can come from that. Grievances? What about the NFL filing it against the players? I don't know how that works. Yeah, that's the thing. I think some type of resolution can come from it

or else there's no point in doing it. Because they're the ones filing the grievance, but they're the ones making the decision. So the decisions aren't even made. Or is this like the thing with Goodell where they had to bring in that third party lady then she would recommend to Goodell what to do.

But we all know that that didn't matter. Her ruling did not matter. Remember that? That was the little finer detail we found out right before the judgment day was like turns out this is just a recommendation. So Roger. This is so Roger doesn't have to do the whole song and dance court thing.

She will be doing this. She will be giving a recommendation to Roger Goodell, who will then be making the final decision. It was like, so nothing's changed. And oh, well, he's going to take it serious. It's like, oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he is. And I think he did and has.

But there will come a situation that will pop up where Roger will go, you don't know the whole story, whoever the judge is. Whether it's a new one or whatever, that's not the case. We've got to do this. I appreciate the fact that the NFL is trying to change things, and I could see how they would be pissed off if a union was telling people to fake injuries so they could get out of there if they thought that that was happening.

But I don't know how this matters. Like a filing of a grievance, what is that? We'll find out for tomorrow yeah that's what we'll do could you imagine if that no answer from jc if we had that info before about jonathan taylor how loud it would have been because everyone would have immediately just been like oh jonathan taylor's listening to jc treanor he's just faking an injury and that's why he's doing that well jc treanor didn't say that he was just pointing out that has happened in the past we got to make sure we say that because that is the whole conversation that's taking place in this grievance.

But Jonathan Taylor just posted him working out. Yeah. Right? So Jonathan Taylor is probably feeling as if he's healthy, letting the world know he's healthy. Should be getting there close, close to it. Was he put on PUP or IR? PUP.

Okay. So he's physically unable to perform. Two weeks. Three weeks? Four weeks? Three? Three weeks? Two.

I mean, four, I think. Four total. There's two left. Four. I thought it was IRs four. IRs four, too. At least four. Yeah.

No longer have to be designated either. I remember there was one person. At the beginning of it, IR used to be forever for everybody. All year. Yeah. And then there was one person that was allowed to be designated to come back. So you had to pick an injury on the spot, predict what future injuries could come, and how easily could that come.

Wow. And then they were like, this is stupid. Isn't it? Yeah. Isn't this, we should just, just like every other sport. Wait, so now everybody can come back? I think so. I do believe.

That's good. Is that COVID? I think COVID was the worst. That was COVID. Because it was three weeks, I thought, during COVID for the IR. And then they had people in hotels. Remember, they had people living in hotels. Yep.

Because you had to do an eight-day isolation? Yeah. Yeah, quarantine. It was five days because I had to do it. I got signed like midway through August. To Tampa? Yeah, sit in a hotel for five days. Was that cool?

Was it a good hotel? Oh, it caused some stressed on my marriage. Oh. Oh, babe, yeah, you got to take the kids. Oh, yeah, you got all the kids. You must be watching Netflix shows. I'm sure that's what you were watching, yeah. Yeah.

How much lotion did they buy in there? Yeah, you ran up a bill. Front office called down. Hey, front office, how can I help you? I need all your relationships. Now. I'm here for five days. All of it.

Do you know I'm all out? So if you guys could just figure out how to drop that out of sight, that'd be great. Can you bring a laptop up too? I like to be lathered. I like to be lathered. I need 18 towels. Can we get a shot of the marquee, please? It is 3.02.

Ty went to the bathroom at 2.40. He gave us an update. Did you see the picture he's in? No. What is it, Brian? Sweating? Yeah. Bingo. Shirt you see the picture he's in? No. What is it, Ryan? Sweating? Yeah, bingo. Shirt's off.

Shirt's off? Yeah, tarp's off. Ty, we're pulling for you, pal. Yeah, he's fighting in there right now. He hasn't taken his shirt off in quite some time on a dump in here. Yeah, legit. There it is. He's going in.

Yeah. If you can see the wall. He threw that thing down, too. You can tell. You can see the wall on the right, too. That is not a regular stall. That is a handicap stall. He needed to hold the bar, I think.

From what I've been told, also, he ordered some water from Talk. Nice. Out front in the kitchen. Okay. Hey, I need some water here, please. Stat. Is that for the TP? I need a fan, please.

Stat. Do we know what he ate this morning? Could you do me a favor and bring some water? Yeah. Which one? Handicap stall. In a locker and bathroom. Alright, we appreciate you, Ty. He's that thirsty? Yeah, well

I think he's sweating probably pretty good. Might be for the wet wipes. What did he have this morning? He had an omelet this morning. It's that damn omelet every time. Whatever he eats. Every time, man. He's been living with the Arby's. I mean, he had Arby's yesterday. He wasn't running out of here. Oh, he rolls the dice. All the time. He's been living with the Arby's. I mean, he had Arby's yesterday. He wasn't running out of here.

Bro, he rolls the dice. All the time. He knows what's possible. This is possible with Ty's guts. Every single time he eats. Every meal. And he just... It's terrible. He lives, I'm going to say it, recklessly.

Yeah. The way he eats. Him and Nick will have just, I don't know, the entire Taco Bell menu just at 9 a.m.? Throw some in the fridge for later. And then some ice cream and then just be like, well, my gut's upset. It's like, no shit. Really?

No shit. It's 10.30. What'd you say about traveling? Go ahead. How does he travel? Does he ever have to take long road trips? What does he do? He'll dump on the plane.

Yeah, well, did you hear about the guy who pooped on the plane and they had to turn it around? That was Ty. He had the diarrhea down the entire. What a nightmare. It was a lady. Boy, oh boy. Oh. He had the diarrhea down the entire. Yeah. What a nightmare. It was a lady. Boy, oh boy.

What was the lady? I think it was a lady. I forget because there's been a bunch of years. It was a lady. It was a lady. I do believe it was a lady because the clothes in which I think because it ran down her legs. Oh, yeah. Ran down the whole aisle.

Boy, I haven't been there in a long time, but I couldn't imagine how incredibly uncomfortable that would be. Yeah. To just be dumping your pant. There it is. This guy just got back from a 12-round fight. Way to handle that thing. Basically did a tour. The gate looks a little tight in the feet.

Yeah, it seems like there's maybe another round coming there. Let's do a little post-dump presser here. Coach, how was it out there? It feels like you performed pretty well. That's the longest game you've had to play. Were the boys ready for overtime and double overtime? Anytime you get in a situation where when you get in there, you start sweating immediately.

And, you know, I got a little lightheaded as well. Felt like i was worried because we're dealing with diarrhea there i mean full-on butt piss city and i was at the point where you know it usually takes a little bit because it just feels like my stomach is constantly just being stabbed by like a very serrated blade and it's kind of just going through everything but i wasn't to the the butt piss part yet and i was like oh boy i'm gonna throw up so now i'm gonna have to get off this and puke in the toilet and just pray to god that i don't shit all over the floor and all over my pants and my my boxers and everything um luckily we avoided that but i did have to pop i sweat

through my shirt and my sweatshirt had to pop it off. That was one of the worst mud cakes I've dropped in a long time. Long time? Ever or long time? Definitely not ever. But, I mean, I had been on a good run. I felt like I hadn't had to get up and leave the show and go take a dump in a while. I mean, I mentioned before the break coming into the third hour,

I looked up and said, five minutes, do I have enough time to take a shit? No, I don't think I do. Oh, so this one was building up a little bit. It was a little bit. It's building for a long time, but then it came quick. It did. I was battling up here with Chris Carter.

I was trying to get through it. I was weird watching. I could feel just all the color leaving my face. You look ghastly. Yeah, still. Yeah, you look disgusting. White as a ghost, yeah. ghastly. Yeah, still. Yeah, you look disgusting. White as a ghost, yeah. But you left it all out there.

Yeah, I had to. I mean, I had no choice. The bigger issue is I no longer have any wet wipes in the bathroom. Is that what the water was for? No. Is that because of the passing out? No, I needed the water because my mouth got very dry, and I thought I was going to throw up.

So I was like, this is just a precautionary thing. But now if I do have another round, I don't have any wet wipes. We can door dash that. We can go, hey, we think you played a great game out there. I appreciate you guys. Good work. I appreciate you. Good game.

Good questioning, too. Got a good question. Yeah, well, you did ask about Tyree Kill. Yeah, I saw it. I saw it. Pretty good in there. CC actually said, this guy's missing a lot of good stuff. We told him you didn't. You saw whole time i was watching okay we're happy we can accompany in you in there with you

um did you 20 it was 25 minutes i know was that a full oh yeah action packed in there the first five is kind of where you're just like pushing a little bit and it's just like all right come on let's get this show on the road because i know what's coming at that point you know it's like i just now it's just a waiting game when is it gonna act well they say that about like the super bowl and everything they do but that's the problem is i have these stomach pills and uh usually i don't know if they switched the the chemistry of what goes into them because it used to be boom it just take the stomach stomach ache away you don't have to worry about it now it's it's basically like a time release 12 minutes boom and then it's gonna hurt really bad and then you're gonna probably shit your pants

but then after that you usually feel good um i don't know i'll tell you what i'm i'm kind of shell-shocked right now i really am i really i was surprised too bro we thought we're gonna have to send somebody in there to go spelunking for you 25 minutes yeah i would not recommend going in there or smelling in there i would yeah i understand awful you think you live recklessly with the way you eat knowing that that could happen for any meal that you have not really it's just it honestly is just my stomach there's just not a whole lot i can do and that's what i'm saying though do you think there potentially is? You know what I mean? Not really though because

yesterday I had Subway and I basically just got a plain turkey sandwich with cheese on it. I didn't have to take a shit like that yesterday but it's the risk you run. It's happened before and then this morning

this place every once in a while. I get it's the risk you run it's happened before and then this morning this place every once I mean I get it probably three times a week so I'm used to it I've kind of built up this callous but every once in a while this place decides let's put six pounds of cheese in this omelette and just see what this guy can do with it

and it's hidden in there I can't see it so you kind of finish it and it's just like well hey... We're happy you're good. That one felt a little... Hey, Jeremy, we're happy he's back. It was a long time. I worry about Ty. I mean, that would be... That's tough to deal with that. It's not fun. It's not. 25

minutes. That's diesel. That's so... That's a show. Yeah. He was in the trenches. He was in the trenches. Trenches Wednesday. Good call. Alright. Well, that's a packed Wednesday. We'll be back tomorrow, won't we? Yeah, we will. Tomorrow we got a Thursday night football game to chat about with the Giants and the Niners.

That should be fantastic. Hey, Akush, you did a great job, Akush. All right, baby. All right, Akush. As did J.J. Watt, Chris Carter, and Jason Kelsey led off the show. You should watch his doc. Yes. It's really good.

It's really, really good. Tonight's a good night to watch it because, you know. Highly recommend it. Nothing on. No football. Tuesday, Wednesday nights have become. Oh, yeah. It's a sleep night.

Oh, yeah. Exactly. 8 p.m. It is awesome. You know, what I would recommend for you, though. Yeah. Why don't we take a little Pepto-Bismol, Eddie? I wish that helped.

I do. Oh, we're past that? Oh, yeah. Pepto-Bismol ain't doing shit. Oh, geez. All right. Let'sol ain't doing shit. Oh, geez. All right. Let's get the hell out of here. We will see you all tomorrow.

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