The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 991 - Monday Night Football Recap, Feel The Beat With Kevin Seifert, Marcel Louis-Jacques, & Mark Kaboly, Aaron Rodgers, Rich Paul, Darius Butler LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

On today's show, Pat, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about last night's Monday Night Football game, the Raiders getting a massive win, if it's time to be worried about the Packers and what they need to do to change things up heading into a bye week, as well as everything else happening around the NFL as we wrap up week 5 and look ahead to week 6. The boys also feel the beat to check the pulse of a few different NFL cities with pressing injury concerns as they go to Kevin Seifert with the Vikings, Marcel Louis-Jacques with the Dolphins, and Mark Kaboly with the Steelers (21:57-53:43). Next, Quarterback for the New York Jets, Aaron Rodgers joins the show from rehab to talk about this past weekend in the NFL including Brock Purdy, the Jets getting a massive win in the Hackett Bowl, teams realizing their season may be over after 5 weeks, his thoughts on Jordan Love, Gardner Minshew, and more (59:59-1:45:01). Later, founder of Klutch Sports Group, and author of the book Lucky Me: a Memoir of Changing the Odds, Rich Paul joins the show to chat about how he got to where he's at, what's next for him, how he's viewed in the agent world, how he's always been a hustler, what his new book is about, expanding into the NFL, and much more (1:56:13-2:23:17). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. Welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, October 10th, 2023, this sports program starts now. Football is happening every single day with storylines and games in week five of the NFL season wrapped up last night in Seaton City as the Las Vegas Raiders got their second win of the season over the Green Bay Packers. Now, also big day today on this Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, October 10th, because the NHL officially drops puck tonight.

New NHL season starts this evening and in primetime at 8 o'clock, the Pittsburgh Penguins home of Sidney Crosby, Gino Malkin and Chris Letang a trio that has played together longer than any trio in the history of sports plays host to

the next one the new generation of hockey a man who since he's been like 12 years old they said this guy is going to be the face of the NHL he has lived up to the hype thus far but tonight is his first ever game in the NHL. He was on our show yesterday. Connor Bedard and the Chicago Blackhawks traveled to Pittsburgh to get their asses beat by the Pittsburgh Penguins and Iceberg roaming around.

Play's going to be a sellout. It's going to be bananas. We're excited for hockey season, but mostly football is happening as well. The Talks at Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer, dang, Cowboys Tony Diggs is here. Tip of the cap to you as well, sir. And nine-year NFL vet, host of the Man of Man podcast, Everything

DB and NFL matchups, Darius J. Butler is here. Okay, D-Butt, we'll dive into the hockey obviously in a little bit of time here on this glorious Tuesday. We have Aaron Rodgers joining us. We'll feel the beat in about 18 minutes or so because there's some notable news coming from stories

that we didn't really forecast happening this early in the season. For instance, we'll go to Minnesota. Justin Jefferson been put on IR. They're 1-5 right now. He goes on IR for four weeks. What if they're even worse? They're talking about do you bring them back then for the last half of the season whenever you're not really playing for anything?

Who knows who's his quarterback next year? What's the scene? This is a vastly different year than it was last year for Minnesota, and this is a more problematic situation for the Vikings who have already had a ton of those to begin with. So we'll visit there. How about we'll go down to Miami because Because an injury just popped up out of nowhere to a guy that has kind of taken the NFL by storm.

There's stats coming out that Devon A. Chan, running back for the Miami Dolphins, formerly of Texas A&M, in his rookie season, is breaking records that people haven't had in 30, 40 years. Well, he's out with a knee injury. We'll talk to Miami beat reporter, and then obviously we'll travel to Pittsburgh to talk to Mark Caboli

because anytime you can squeeze Mark Caboli onto a show that is a national show, you're going to do that if you've ever seen Mark Caboli operate. It'll be worth it. Around 1230 Eastern time. Aaron Rodgers will join us. And then Rich Paul,

the author of Lucky Me, a memoir of changing the odds, will join us in the third hour. He's been on every show. Yes. And the reason why is because he does business with everybody. He owns the Clutch Agency, which has done over $4 billion in deals. Okay?

They're everywhere. They run the NBA. Yep. Obviously, he and LeBron are very tight since he was 21 years old and LeBron was in high school. They met each other at an airport because of a Warren Moon jersey. And then Rich Paul was selling jerseys out of his trunk of his car at the time in Cleveland.

And he and LeBron become kin. And then all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, now they're taking over the entire world. And they have football players all over the place. Jalen Hurts is in there. Miles Garrett is in there. Matthew Judon is in there. Miles Garrett is in there. Matthew Judon is in there. Quinn and Williams.

Damn. A couple big-name guys who also just got massive contracts very recently here. Yeah, so we're about to talk to one of the greatest hustlers in the history. This guy went from selling jerseys out of his trunk to moving every single deal in the NFL and the NBA, and also he's dating Adele.

Whoa. That's right. Pretty sweet. Huh? That was a big deal. Oh yeah. Adele's still selling out arenas wherever she wants. Her and Rich sit next to each other. I don't know. There's three, four billion dollars just kind of sitting there. What a power couple. What a life. We can't wait to chat

with him. He has 22 rules. Okay. Oh. Of creating how to create your own luck. I like that. Let me see rule number seven. A lot of rules. Rule number seven. Study your craft. Okay. You would think that would create your own luck. I like that. Let me get rule number seven. A lot of rules. Rule number seven, study your craft. Okay, you would think that would be a little bit higher up in there, and it probably does apply to a couple of these other ones.

Like, leave nothing to chance is rule number three. Okay. That probably, study your craft probably kind of in there as well. You know, I feel like a lot of these rules potentially, like rule number one, take care of your people. Love that. Got to take care of your people. Love that. Gotta take care of your people. Because if not, people turn on you.

That's right. And the enemy's always within your own camp. People forget about that whenever they're making decisions, I think. Rule number two, other people are your business. Okay. That's interesting. That's rule number two. Okay.

Rule number three, leave nothing to chance. Rule number four, iron your clothes. Well, you're going to rule me out of that one. Rule number five, discipline your approach. Rule number six, build an ecosystem of empathy. Rule number seven, study your craft. Rule number 22, have faith. You're built for more than you can see.

Wow. So we'll talk to Rich Paul in the third hour. Excited for that. Let's talk about the football game last night. So, Ty, we'll start with you because you are Green Bay Packers' owner. This Jordan Love era was the Guntekunz era. This is the team that Guntekunz has created fully by

himself. The head coach that he hired without any input from anybody on the team. The quarterback that he drafted while potentially pissing off the current quarterback of the team. The backup running back that he drafted while the current running back was playing the best that he has. He was last night you guys moved to two and three after a loss to the Raiders what did you see from your team last night that makes you believe that this season

isn't just going to be a transition rough one learn about this new team era or do you think there's still a chance you can go I definitely am not as optimistic as I was a couple weeks ago but it is early so I won't won't just kind of pile on Jordan Love because he did look like hammered dog shit last night. He looked very, very bad. I don't know if it's all his fault, though. They have no identity. They just don't.

They still don't have a guy that they can rely on when they absolutely need a first down. A.J. Dillon looked a little better than he has all year. He went for, I think, what, 76 yards on 20 rushes. And a touchdown. And a touchdown. Big one. But it's the same thing.

Almost four yards a carry. Yeah, almost. Almost. 3.8 yards a carry, Tony. Okay, slow your roll there. But they just, like, they look terrible in first halves. They have a little bit of momentum, and then their drives just stop. They scored three points in the first half,

and then they get a turnover to start the second half march right down the field score a touchdown it just i don't know if it's play calling um i don't know what it is because we talked about this all pre-season and early in the season like this team isn't built for jordan love to have everything on his shoulders and him have to win games by himself and that's what it's been so far with how many injuries they've had. But you can't use that as an excuse either. This is the NFL. Guys get injured.

Next man up does apply. Their defense played pretty well last night. But, again, it wasn't like – I mean, you could hear Go Pack Go ringing throughout the stadium. So it's not like it was like – The fans did their part. Exactly. That's what Fireman Ed was saying.

It wasn't a hostile environment by any means. Especially their defense if you limit a team to 17 points most times you should win that game we talked about their offensive line Crosby just wrecked shop all night they're going to need to figure out how to get that cleaned up

I don't know if they will but they just don't have an identity in years past with Aaron you knew exactly what you were getting and with with Aaron, you knew exactly what you were getting. And with Favre, you knew exactly what you were getting. But they have no identity whatsoever, and it shows early. They just like, they're undisciplined. They don't have a guy they can go to.

And then in the end, it always falls on Jordan Love's shoulders, and he's not prepared to do that yet. Well, it's fascinating because some guys as rookies, and he's not a rookie. He's obviously in his third year at this point. Third year quarterback, but it is his first couple times. Fourth year? Fourth year. Yeah, it's fourth year. Really? Fourth year quarterback, first time really playing, so there's

going to be some lumps for some quarterbacks, but if we look at what Brock Purdy, hey, Brock Purdy literally since day one, those guys do exist. Now, is that the perfect setup with Shanahan and is LaFleur the guy? That's a whole nother, right? That hasn't even been chatted about yeah i don't want to like call for his job but same deal when he got hired i was like i don't know i mean you look at what he did in tennessee i think he had the 29th ranked offense when he was the oc in tennessee and got the job

in green bay personally i don't love him but i mean it's early again all the stuff with the defense to him just kind of letting the defensive coordinator do whatever the hell he's wanted to when they've been just piss poor over and over again. But, again, it's early. Hopefully they can turn it around. They've got a bye week. They have a lot of shit they need to sort out. Third year for Love.

Matt LaFleur is 47-19 as a head coach. Damn. And remember, there's a lot of people that are like, would be nice to just become a head coach and have Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback. For sure. Who can kind of make up for everything. But then towards the end, a lot of the Green Bay people got sick of Aaron Rodgers. Right now, for numerous reasons.

Because of what took place between him and the front office. Potentially because he went down to the jungle to try some tea that made him trip balls a little bit. For other reasons, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of stuff that happened and took place, and some people took the side of the Packers. Some people took the side of Aaron Rodgers.

But nobody really talked about the head coach. How is he going to fare? Is he the right guy to lead a team without a veteran quarterback who can make up for everything? We shall see. But early indicators are going to do well but might not win. This seems like a punt to next year. But for the Raiders,

what a massive win at home on Monday Night Football. You talk about Crosby. Obviously, he was a game wrecker, has been a game wrecker, will be a game wrecker for his entirety of being in the NFL. He's also petty and a little bit of a dirt ball on the field, which I appreciate. They've talked about it in quarterback. Obviously, he and Patrick Mahomes have that relationship.

He flies around. We love him. But let's talk about the dump truck. Let's talk about Bob Spillane. Bob Spillane had two picks last night. And a lot of people might have been introduced to Bob Spillane last night on Monday Night Football. And they probably said to themselves,

wow, I never heard of this guy. And he has a C on his chest. He must be a rookie. He's not a rookie. No. This dude got drafted in 2018, was with the Titans. Then he was with the Pittsburgh Steelers for a while. The last two years he was at the Steelers, it was just one-year contracts.

Prove yourself. Prove yourself. You know how he proved himself whenever he was with the Pittsburgh Steelers? Derrick Henry and the Tennessee Titans marched down the field to a goal line type situation. And Bob Spillane out of Oak Hills, Illinois, Western Michigan, backed up in the end zone so he could get more room and ran his face right into Derrick Henry's face. So loud that the pop was captured throughout the entire stadium. He might have knocked himself out.

He knocked Derrick Henry out as well. But it was on that particular play where all Yinzers fell in love with this guy. We had him on our show. This dude's neck is this big. It goes straight from top of ear to outside shoulder. You're talking about an absolute dog. So whenever I saw him flying around last night, I thought that was Kwiatkowski out of West Virginia.

Who's this white linebacker playing? I see a C on his chest. Oh, that's dump truck Bob Spillane, who after he got the ball in his hands last night with one of them, he knew what to do with it. This guy's a thumper. He's beloved in the locker room. Crosby talked about how the boys absolutely

love him, and now he's making plays on the ball. Steelers missed out when they let the dump truck get out of town and go to Las Vegas. For sure. I mean, Bubby was never afraid to stick his nose in places that others did not want to go. Okay? That's what he came. Yep.

Here we go. Here's the play. Boom! Boom! That guy 41 flying in the side just knocked himself out. Who is it? Bob's boy. That's the guy that got two picks last night.

He is an absolute animal. Wasn't a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Came in in relief for some people that were injured, which is probably why he was never viewed as a starter or anything like that. He's got the C over there, and he's all over the field. Happy for Bob. Happy for Crosby. But that Raiders team needed a win, it feels like.

Jimmy G didn't have his best game, but they win. That's like a Jimmy G football game. Josh Jacobs started moving a little bit. Your thoughts on the Raiders after last night, D-Bud? Tried to get it done. You saw they wanted to try to establish the run game with Jacobs. Didn't get it really going. But once again, Jimmy G did a better job taking care of the ball in this one

than Jordan Loved it. That's what it came down to. And that first pick, by far, Loved's worst one. I don't know if he just didn't see Spillane. It's a dark visor. It's a dark visor. Yeah, a little camouflage. Yeah, but I threw it right at him.

The late one, you know, where he scrambled through it deep to Robinson, that was a great play by him. And then the other one we just saw was Spillane running to the ball with Peters on the back down. Just got to take care of the ball once again. Around 50% completion rating. Yep. Too low.

You know, if you're throwing the ball 30 times, you want to at least complete 20, 22 of those. So it just wasn't a good look all around, but a great job by the Raiders getting one at home with Jimmy G's return. Huge win. Raiders and Packers are both 2-3 now. I feel like there's a lot of teams that are sitting right there. 3-2 is another one.

But whenever you think about the Packers last night, and I fell asleep at this time. I apologize. I watched it this morning. It was an awful game. Buddy! Buddy! Awful.

Buddy! Especially after Sunday night when you watch the Niners. Buddy! Yeah. Last night was a snoozer, okay? I mean, that's putting it lightly. And they didn't even put Chris Angel dangling from the sky out there. It's Vegas. Why not? I need Chris Angel dangling from the Legion Stadium every single time they're on primetime.

If you're going to go to Vegas, I don't see Carrot Top doing his little shh. No. What are we doing? The Mold Knights were there with Lord Stanley's Cup, but outside of that, nothing. I did see Stoner lifting that thing up for the boys. Oh, yeah. And I knew right when I saw that, I was like,

oh, boy, Packers are in trouble. Hey, Golden Knights got a game tonight too, huh? Yeah, we do. Banner's dropping. So it should be a pretty special night. I'm very excited. That's a late puck drop, though. Yeah, 1030, I believe, Eastern.

Yeah. You know why? Because you need Sidney Crosby at eight. You need Sidney Crosby at prime time. I get it. The Conor Bedard on the ice at 8 p.m. 5.30? Oh yeah. It's opening night, Tony. I don't know if anybody's going to watch that one.

Outside Nashville and Tampa, I'm not 100% sure anybody's going to tune into that. Hopefully some people will. But that 8 o'clock game, if you're not an NHL fan, that's the game to watch. Try it. Okay, there's OGs on the one side that have been doing it for a long time. How many years? 18 years, I think is what they said.

18 years, and then they just added Eric Carlson this offseason. That's four Hall of Famers playing on one team. And then on the other side, you'll see him. He's going to be very fast. His dangles are going to be insane. And allegedly, he's got a little snapper that is lethal. Best shot in the NHL. They're saying, if you're new to hockey, don't know the hockey,

tonight's a good one. Like, okay, do I want to roll with the OGs? Or, holy hell, this new shiny toy is probably going to be here for the next 15, 20 years. That's how hockey is, too, by the way. McJesus, Sidney Crosby, and this kid, they've kind of been primed for the NHL. And Sidney's been playing 18 this kid they've kind of been primed for the NHL and Sidney's been playing

18 years just all the way through McJesus will play, like hockey's different than other sports these dudes break legs, break arms and they say it's either an upper body or lower body and then you don't find out about what it actually is for 4-5 months, old school sport

dogs, a lot of action too many damn games though which some people will find a way to you know use that as a way to lose interest but tonight's a great start to find a team if you're not an NHL fan I believe it said Conor Bedard was 20 days old when Sidney Crosby made his debut so you know crazy that those guys I mean it is nuts how long Sid's been in the league so I mean I'm very excited like you said you know, crazy that those guys, I mean, it is nuts how long Sid's been in the league. So, I mean, I'm very excited. Like you said, you know, not being like a massive hockey fan, if I'm not watching

the Golden Knights, I will definitely be tuned into that one. And then falling asleep in the middle of it like I did. But if you get to last night's game, if you go to the end of that, Jordan Love had a chance to win this thing. He did. So Jordan Love, at the very end of the game, he throws a pick. And obviously we've shown that. The whole world has shown that. But pause it. It is 48 seconds left, 17-13. Packers still have a timeout,

okay? So right now, you could still work the middle of the field. This is not desperation situation. They could have done a lot of things. Him forcing this ball to Christian Watson. Now, granted, that's an incredible pick. The dude literally elevated and levitated to make that thing happen and in slow-mo it looks even more ridiculous because eyes eyes jump float catch on shoulder game over what a play people are saying Jordan loves ball wasn't good it's like that coverage right there is bananas I think the ball wasn't good because there's no reason to be that desperate we still got a timeout We still got another play after this. We don't have to go for it right now. Even though on the sideline, allegedly, LaFleur was pointing and jumping to throw the ball

to Christian Watson. Well, Christian Watson also had his hand up. If you're going to throw your hand up like that, you better come back and try to make a play on the ball a little better now. Well, they're running 23 miles an hour. He wanted out then. If you'll see that play again, Love kind of got pressured, so he had to step up, put in his left hand, then

step up into throwing posture right here. If he didn't have to do that, this is probably a walk-in touchdown. He could also ran for four yards there, five yards there. I mean, there's just that's the type of... You got to go right there. I mean, John. It's a little late. You got to go. He did get kind of pushed off by Robertson

now. We're talking about the db's just cheating out there he's absolutely cheating out there i mean that's just but anyway still in it still had a chance to win it till the very end feel like there's gonna be a lot of that this year with the backers i think so and that and the thing with watson too i mean he's been hurt but they they kind of fall back on because he's a burner and because he's so physical. They need to find ways to get him the ball other than just like, hey, we need you to run as deep as you can, and hopefully Love can lob one up there and we either get a P.I.

or you catch one for a touchdown. They need to find ways to get him involved other than those type of plays. He does have Jets, though. He does have Jets. It is fun to watch. It must be fun to run. There's a couple guys around the league that seem to be faster than everybody else. Like Deshaun Jackson experienced it for 15 years.

That must be so much fun to be with those guys. Just cruising around, breaking a speed limit in his school zone, just running their asses off, pulling away from professional athletes. Good for them. How do you get them involved in it, though? How do you make them more of a weapon? How do you utilize A.J. Dillon to his best strengths? How do you get him rolling out there, though? How do you make him more of a weapon? How do you utilize A.J. Dillon to his best strengths? You know, how do you get him rolling out there?

Need Aaron Jones back, period. That's kind of like he is the thing that makes this team go, so hopefully he'll get healthy after this bye week and needs to stay healthy because they really need him. All right, let's pivot away from there. Let's talk about what everybody loves to talk about all the time, Dallas Cowboys. Hell yeah.

I was on first take this morning with Stephen A., Unc, and Molly, and I was asked about if this year goes how we all seemingly think the Dallas Cowboys year is going to go, is Dak's time up for the Dallas Cowboys? I just brought out a matter of a fact that the contract, the way

it is written, it's basically impossible for the Dallas Cowboys to get out from the Dak Prescott contract after this season. A $61 million dead cap. That is just cutting the entire salary cap into a third pretty much and saying you can't use this for anybody. You don't even get a player from this. You're just going to sacrifice this. There's no way Jerry Jones would do that. Is Dak Prescott's deal tradable? I do not think so, but even if they did trade him, $61 million dead cap it for the Dallas Cowboys.

He has a no trade clause. He has a no tag clause. So the fact of the matter is he will be a Dallas Cowboy next year for the Dallas Cowboys. Here's Jerry Jones talking this morning on his radio show that he does every single week about Dak and whether or not Dak is the guy for them.

No, the results are very obvious. We haven't won a Super Bowl. We've had good, would you agree that we've had good games over the years? Yes, absolutely. Okay. And we've had some bad games. Do you know any team that hasn't had that happen to them?

Yes. Now, consequently, I will say that we haven't gotten our big years when we should have. We've been real close a few times and haven't gotten our big years. That's not excuses. That's not anything. But if you think for one minute that there's any particular thing that I could put my finger on that basically says we need to do that differently we need to do that differently uh then it's combinations of things uh Dak Prescott is a quarterback that can get us to the Super Bowl and uh that's that that's the way that's going to be. We have other quarterbacks on that roster and players that certainly,

if something should happen to Dak, but I want to be real clear, Dak's very capable of making this team be where we want it to go. I want to be real clear. It'll cost us $61 million. Okay, so he is more than capable to do everything we're all dreaming of.

So stop asking and yes, I would like to see us do a lot better. But has there been any team, he said, has there been any team that hasn't gotten embarrassed like this over time? I know we don't have a Super Bowl, but this happens to everybody. I love the way Jerry sticks up for his guy here.

I love the way Jerry is painting the image, and I love the fact that Jerry knows he's stuck with Dak, whether he likes it or not. He was also asked in that interview about having Shottie Schottenheimer call plays as opposed to Mike, and he said, nope, not at all. Because remember, Mike took over because Kellen Moore was trying to run up the scoreboard. The Dallas Cowboys conversation continues to be broad,

and we will continue to have it because it is fascinating. Got a yinzer down there at head coach who I feel like he's probably the one that's going to be, and Dak is going to be the one that'll survive. That's how the contract states. Now, it is time for us to dig a little bit deeper. It is time for us to not be this zoomed out 30,000 foot view sports program. Not stooges anymore. No, no.

Let's dive into the weeds a little bit. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to feel the beat. You see, we're feeling it. I was kind of feeling it. Because we haven't felt the beat in a while. So we will feel the beat by going to beat writers for each team to see what the feel is with boots on the ground. Let's go to Minnesota with ESPN NFL Nation reporter Kevin Seifert.

Kevin, thank you for joining us, pal. Thanks for having me, Pat. I wish I could do that dance. I'm not that good. Well, you don't have to feel the beat. You just got to know the news. And we appreciate you joining us with all that type of information. Let's dive right in.

Justin Jefferson goes to IR. This is Heartbreak City, especially with where the Vikings are right now. Schefter kind of put out a tweet that was kind of like, we'll see where the Vikings are when Justin Jefferson comes back. What is the thought for this season with Justin Jefferson? And is there a world where four weeks from now, if the Viking season is dead, we just kind of mail it in with Justin Jefferson so we don't risk another injury with him for the rest of the year? I don't think it'll be that dramatic. I think, you know, first of all, the four weeks is simply

just because you have to spend four weeks on IR if you get put on IR. I think the injury itself is significant enough that there's some concern that even at week five, he's not going to be ready. And then you get into the contract thing. Basically, what I take from that and what my understanding is, is that he won't feel rushed to get back. And the Vikings aren't going to rush him back either. A player at that position with a hamstring strain of the significance that he apparently has is not going to be that effective. So I do not think this is going to be a season-ending thing.

I don't think he's going to stage a hold-in from everything I can understand. But I also know that he's not going to rush to get back at 70% or 80% because I don't think that would make sense for anyone. Yeah, especially if you guys are 1-8 or 1-7. What are the vibes over there with the football gods seemingly not blessing the Vikings at all this year versus last year blessing them every single time they had an opportunity to be blessed? I mean, it's almost like the pendulum has just swung the other way.

They got every loose ball last year. They got every fortunate break. If you're a big analytics guy, they were one of the luckiest teams in the NFL last year. And this year, they're one of the unluckiest. They're fumbling. They're not recovering them. They're throwing passes that should be a touchdown and going off people's hands for interceptions or vice versa. And so I think the vibe is a little shell-shocked.

I think they probably thought last year that they had a system and a culture in place that could avoid those sort of unlucky things and I think what they found out is that it happens to everybody well rule number 19 of uh creating your own luck from Rich Paul is your worst experience can be your best credential this year feels like the worst experience that they could potentially have Connor has a question for you Kevin yeah Kev what's the deal with Kirk Cousins obviously he has a no trade clause so if he were to be traded he'd have to approve it. I see some people on the X saying that they want to sign Kirk Cousins for 10 years. I see some people that want him out of the building. What do you think is going to happen?

And do you actually believe that Kirk Cousins will be the Minnesota Vikings quarterback this time next season? Initially at the start of the season, I thought there was a pretty good chance of that, but the way this has started, I mean they're going to have to ask themselves the question, does it make sense to bring back what would be a 36-year-old starting quarterback to a team that didn't make the playoffs? And it's going to have to, assuming they want to sign Justin Jefferson, they're going to have to pay him quarterback money as well.

And they have plenty of other holes to fill. And so I think that the chances of him returning next year are seeming less and less likely. As far as whether they trade him, you know, as you said, there are no trade clauses there. So I think that the chances of him returning next year are seeming less and less likely. As far as whether they trade him, you know, as you said, the no trade clause is there. And he wanted that there for a reason. I think he is. Kirk Cousins has always been someone who felt very motivated to be able to control every movement that he made career wise. And he's been able to do that throughout through the years with the franchise tag in

Washington and all the way into free agency. And so, you know, I think you also get into, is there anybody who really wants to acquire him for a very short period of time? And I don't know if that's the case or not. Obviously, the Jets are out there, but I don't think that he is going to be likely to want to move. We'll see if there's somebody can make it worth his while, but it doesn't feel like it's something just knowing him and his personality and the way he likes to feel grounded and in control. I don't know that a mid-season trade would seem the likeliest scenario right now.

Especially with how nice his house is out there. We saw it on quarterback, you know what I mean? Hey, Kevin, we appreciate you so much. We hope things turn around there so you can live a happier life too. Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Seifert. Thank you, buddy.

All right, that's Minnesota with the Justin Jefferson news. Going to IR. Has to go to IR for four weeks, obviously. But they put him on IR for a reason. You know, he said, well, the only reason why it's four weeks is because of IR. It's like, we know that. But that was a decision that had to be made. Could have been a one- to two-week type thing.

Didn't even think about the hold-in. I was thinking from the Vikings standpoint, them saying, hey, we got no, we got nothing to play for. Because if it ends up one and eight, whenever they're done, I don't know when their bye week is, another four weeks after this. If they end up at that, it's like all stats from the history say, this team is not going to do anything. This guy's your best player.

I guess with no deal done, would they still want him to play? I don't. That'll be something we got to monitor. Because you never want to rest, especially as professional athletes. Did they put out like the grade or tear or whatever? Straight like this. Fast. Yeah, that was real quick.

Not like a second opinion. But him saying he might not be in any rush to get back either because of that contract. It was not surprising. Yeah, at all. Especially with the record that they're at. If their team was good and that was happening, then super he'll move. Like, what are we doing? Yeah.

But since he's come in and been the guy that – and also, other wide receivers drafted before him. So he is not – like, everybody sees him now. They're like, yeah, he's the best. It was easy. It was like, nah, a lot of people missed on not drafting Justin Jefferson. And then as soon as he gets there, he becomes the guy. If your team's already out and there's a contract,

like generational wealth- changing contract coming, we could understand, I think, that decision. I'm sure Vikings fans will not be happy, though, that paid for season tickets. And they're like, what are we? We're 1-8. It's four degrees outside. We got the best guy on our team on the sideline. Ladies and gentlemen, once again,

it's time to feel the beat. I was really feeling it. That was pretty good. I was really feeling it. That was a good beat. It's time to dive into the weeds even more. Let's go down to Miami with Marcel-Louis Jacques of ESPN NFL Nation. Hell yeah.

I'm doing my own round of applause. You nailed that pronunciation, man. Oui, oui. Bonjour, ça va. You got me there, though. All right. I wasn't prepared for the follow-up. I thought we were going to roll.

Thank you for joining us and making time on this Feel the Beat segment where we're trying to get smarter and not be as wide and broad view on things happening around the NFL. Let's talk about it. A. Chan, which we learned that is a pronunciation of his name a couple weeks ago from Schefter. A. Chan comes into the NFL, and boom, this dude's like one of the greatest running backs statistically that has ever come into the league.

Now, knee injury, second opinion coming. That came out of nowhere. How come we didn't hear about this seemingly on Sunday or even late into Monday? What is going to happen with him? And this is a bummer, right? Everybody in Miami's feeling this. Yeah, don't get me wrong. This is probably the most exciting offensive rookie in the nfl

right now i know the hype surrounded by john robinson and he's been very good devon itchins really played three games three meaningful games he's already second in the nfl in rushing yards behind christian mccaffrey he's second in rushing touchdowns behind mccaffrey and his teammate raheem mostert so there's some hope that you know they could maintain a certain level of offensive production here but we didn't hear about it on on Sunday because they weren't really sure about it on Sunday. McDaniel, when we spoke to him on Monday, said that A-Chain told them he might be dealing with something, but he wanted to tough it out. And it was one of those scenarios where they didn't know exactly how serious it was.

Come Monday, though, McDaniel was playing it super coy about how serious this injury was. Wouldn't even answer whether or not he was getting an mri done so didn't even want to put that into the world what the testing was and said that it would be you know kind of naive to put any sort of timeline on it and with mike like i've covered mike for about a year year and a half now he's tough to read sometimes like when he plays a coy like this it could really be either way this could either be a lot more serious than he's making it seem or it could be no big deal And I think as we just saw it was a little bit more serious than he was making it seem it feels like so what is Like guesstimation here for him because we got a great backfield still right nothing as

Explosive seemingly as what a Chan has been because I don't know if there is anybody at this stage That's as explosive as a chamber most hurt. But Mostert, you said he's late. I think Jeff's coming back off IR as well, right? Yeah, I got to talk to Jeff Wilson in the locker room a couple weeks ago. It was actually after the Denver game when he still had two weeks remaining on IR. He said that he was going to be ready to go. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, went on local TV here. He said that the Dolphins will be ready to activate him when the time comes.

And even McDaniel said this is something that they want to further evaluate as information comes in. So I would expect to see him at practice when we're at the facility tomorrow on Wednesday. But as far as just a timeline of how long HM is going to be out, man, it's tough to say. But I will say that if they put him on IR this week, he's going to miss the next four games.

That is Carolina this week. That's Philly next the next four games. That is Carolina this week. That's Philly next week. That is New England at home the week after. And then Kansas City in Germany, which that's a shame. The international crowd is going to have to miss Devon Achan's performance against that. You know, that would have been a shootout. But then their bye week is right after that Kansas City game. So the soonest that he'd be able to come back is week 11.

That gives him that extra week to heal up. So it might be a realistic option here if they feel like it's going to be a several-week injury. Yeah, with those young guys too, they might heal quick. You know what I mean? And what he's been able to do, how long do you want him out, especially at the running back position where you have to feel his way back in there?

Will he be able to just drop in for the most important part of the season? He's been phenomenal to watch. We assume McDaniel will figure it out, though. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Marcel, there's another big name who's been out the last couple weeks in Jalen Phillips, and obviously you already have Ramsey and Arm set out, and now A-Chan and Phillips is dealing. What is the current

situation with him? Because they've missed him a little bit as getting to the quarterback, especially into that Bills game. Yeah, man. I actually just saw Jalen Phillips. He's been out for a couple weeks with an oblique injury. He's been limited at practice throughout the past few weeks. I would expect he makes his return against Carolina, but it's super early in the week to say that for sure.

I think we've got to evaluate what he looks like at practice tomorrow and Thursday, and then we'll get a real estimation there on Friday. But, you know, it's a guy where this wasn't a situation where they wanted to put to put him on IR wasn't a situation where they felt like he was going to keep him out for a month or so I think like I said I would expect for him to make this return uh what we've seen from them this year is they played it very cautious with injuries you know they played it cautious with Toronto Armstead they're playing it cautious with Jalen Phillips and Connor Williams a couple weeks ago like it's a scenario where they got the whole picture, the big picture in mind. It's not about September and October. It's about December and January.

But Jalen Ramsey, I will say, I was in the tunnel directly after the game on Sunday. I saw Jalen Ramsey running from the field to the locker room. It wasn't dead sprint, 40-yard dash, but he was running. He was legitimately running. We asked McDaniel about it yesterday. He said he was alerted about legitimately running we asked mcdaniel about it yesterday he said he was alerted about our tweets he was alerted about our observations but so somebody snitched down there but yeah he said that he's on the positive side of recovery that's great news for the dolphins he doesn't have any brace on i haven't seen him with any sort of sleeve brace

crutches since august at this point he's always said he's going to beat the timeline. I've seen nothing to refute that claim. Feels like somehow some of these humans are able to do that with stuff. Aaron was walking like four days after an Achilles surgery. You got Jalen running. You said not a sprint, but transferring weight. Pretty good. Yeah.

And you know what I mean? He plays corner, right? So you got to be able to backpedal, change directions, cut on, stop on a dot. Like, it's more than just sprinting, don't get me wrong. I mean, running is better than not running, right? Yeah, go ahead, Derrick. Yeah, Marcel, what is that timeline for Jalen? Is it still December or are they thinking November?

Like, what is that timeline for Jalen Rand? So, like, the loose timeline has always been that December, you know, mid-December area. Gotcha. But, again, mid-December area. Gotcha. But again, he wants to beat it. So he wants to be back, you know, in theory, late November, maybe. Like it's hard to attach.

Like they haven't publicly attached a timeline to this and they do that on purpose so that there's no disappointment when expectations are not met. I think they learned that lesson with Byron Jones last year. You know, he was supposed to be ready for training camp. He didn't play at all. So it's not something that this regime does. But I think, you know, best case scenario, we're talking, you know, mid to late November. Best case scenario.

Let's sit on the defensive side of the ball with two last things here. Vic Fangio's defense, more beloved in Miami now after we're just boat racing everybody? Because there at the beginning, right, I think people were saying, this guy forgot how to call D. This guy's defense is terrible. We're in a good spot with a Vic Fangio defense or no? Yeah, I mean, let's not overreact to beating up the New York Giants.

That team was devoid of any offensive talent on Sunday. Like, let's chill out. Let's not overreact. I mean, they hung up 70 on the Denver Broncos, but that offense still moved the ball pretty well against them. You know, it's a scenario where in years past, we've seen them dominate on just one side of the ball like last year it was all offense and no defense two years ago all defense no offense it's probably the most balanced that this team has been since it's not a situation where this defense is a liability i

think they can take the ball away they can keep them in games they can keep games within reach if need be but in our, they just have to protect a lead that this offense is inevitably going to give them. Yeah, it's unbelievable to watch the offense, and I think the greatest show on turf or whatever was compared to them, and then times a 10 or something like that is what a

coach said about this current Dolphins offense. Let's stick on a defense, though. Going into the season, Christian Wilkins was holding a hold in for a new contract, and then it didn't happen he said well shit all right good effort and then he just played he's been playing is there any news on that front and is Christian Wilkins like the coolest dude of all time Christian is Christian is funny Christian's very funny I actually used to cover him uh dating back to his Clemson days as well so very familiar with his tactics.

He's somebody who usually if somebody says he did something on the field, he probably did that. He probably did that. But team leader, team lover. Oh, you're talking about when he was – And then he does a little ha-ha. I didn't say anything. Yo, you're saying stuff, not me.

You're saying stuff, not me. But, yes, good teammate is what but a good teammate good leader i mean you mentioned the hold in we've seen it from how many people this offseason when they want a new contract they bounced they said i'll eat the fine like i'm not going this wasn't financially motivated in terms of he didn't want to be fine he wanted to show that he's still a member of this team he just wants what he feels like he's worth you know from my understanding he had a offer in. It was a fair offer from the Dolphins standpoint. I don't have the exact dollar amount, but I know

it's in the ballpark of $20 million a year in average annual value. Maybe he wanted more, wanted more guarantees. Doesn't matter. Either way, they weren't able to come to an agreement. This is not something that they're going to negotiate in season. This is something that they're tabling until the end of the season. Unfortunately, though, then they're going to negotiate in season this is something that they're tabling until the end of the season unfortunately though then you're going to have a situation where you either got franchise tag them or you have to risk you know another team offering him a stupendous bag and losing him losing one of your team captains but they did pay Zach Seeler uh you know they will have to figure out what to do with Raekwon Davis he's more of a nose tackle than you know a-type like Wilkins and Sealer are.

But there might be some movement on that defensive line come this offseason. That's something way in the distance that Miami and Miami fans are going to have to deal with in a few months. Is Tua still doing jiu-jitsu? As far as I know, Tua is not doing it in-season. Oh, no. Oh, oh, oh, oh. What did he forget?

Well, we thought maybe he was working towards his best jujitsu towards the end of the season arm bar late in december come on i don't like that i mean we've seen it out of him though like there haven't been any crazy hits you know he's man he's played so much smarter it's not you know him you know holding on the ball too long if he has to get rid of it he get rid of it tucks and rolls gets out of uh any disadvantageous situation like this is something where he didn't love calling attention to it throughout the offseason because he wants to make sure it works he didn't want it to be this big hype train and then all of a sudden we don't even know everybody's talking about it was like shut up the hype train has left the station man the hype train has left the station it is what it is but

by all accounts it looks like it's working on the field. This is something that the Dolphins have implemented into their quarterback room. Everybody in that room has been trained in some capacity by the trainers who taught Tua. Not authorized to use their names yet. Maybe in a few months when he gets out the season unscathed, we can finally reveal who they were. All right. To every missed throw, okay, you got to roll with everybody for one minute. That's right.

Up against the wall, working on the whole thing. That's awesome. We love Tua so much. Happy it's working out for you. Go ahead. I said, well, we got to see the sparring match between Tua and Teron Armstead. Teron Armstead, boxer in the offseason. He said he'll whoop Tua's ass, so I don't know.

We don't want to drive a wedge, Marcel. We appreciate you so much. Marcel Louis-Jacques, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Marcel. Took French for a long time. Nice. Yeah? Yeah.

Nice. Don't need a word bank, though. Tough language. You know, like when they speak, I can understand it a little bit. Only took French because the French teacher was a very beautiful lady whenever we were 15 years old. Sure. And we thought she liked us as people. So we thought there was a chance we'd just kind of skirt through. That was not the case. Like once we became students of hers, she did not, she was not, Mademoiselle was not the biggest fan. She was not the biggest fan of mine. I thought we had a,

I thought we had a really good opportunity, but it did serve me well one time. I was in Morocco, and their second language is French. And I was walking through, and I heard, they were talking about us, me specifically,

and I could hear them, but I couldn't figure out how to say, like, je comprends, I couldn't figure out the words to say back. So I said, no, no, and then I just kept walking. But every once in a while, it pays off. I look super cultured with a gentleman whose name is Marcel Louis-Jacques.

Obviously. Yeah, he did not speak French. Drop a bonjour, ça va. Nothing on the way back. That's great news for us. We look smarter. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

That doesn't happen a lot. No, never. Look at us doing it. Yeah, we're pronunciation a lot. Yeah, but he was good. Oh, yeah. Very good. I really. I know the pronunciation. A lot. Yeah, but he was good. Oh, yeah. Very good. I really enjoyed him on the program. Absolutely.

Just like Kevin. And then, ladies and gentlemen, for the final time today, we're going back to the hometown of Pittsburgh. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to feel the beat. Ladies and gentlemen, let's stop with the horsing around. Hell yeah. We don't need to feel the beat too much right there. No, no, no. Because we're holding up somebody coming on the show that's electrifying,

intelligent, and always in the know. Ladies and gentlemen, from The Athletic, beat reporter for the Steelers, Mark Boley. Yeah, boy! Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. How you doing? the athletic beat reporter for the steelers mark aboli thank you mark thank you mark how you doing nice sweater there pat hey thanks big night tonight how do we feel team the vibes high back there in pittsburgh we got a squad four hall of famers basically playing every single night for the pennies that's good news right mark yeah i mean they're about all 39 years old but Yeah, I mean, they're about 39 years old, but hey.

Oh, geez. Tell them, Mark. Mark, open your eyes. You've got a chance to watch greatness. We don't need to talk about how old they are. Sidney's fighting people in preseason already. He's ready to go. He's feeling younger than ever.

I've seen it. I watched it with my eyes when I had him open. You need to do that. I opened my eyes. Let's dive into the Steelers though here, Mark. Okay, let's do this. Fire Canada chants have rang through Accresher Stadium numerous times this season. I know you're probably in the building right now.

It's an uncomfortable thing that everybody's talking about. Tomlin is a very loyal coach, always has been, always will be. Does this feel louder though than anything else? is an uncomfortable thing that everybody's talking about. Tomlin is a very loyal coach, always has been, always will be. Does this feel louder, though, than anything else? Because even after a Ravens win, Steelers fans are like, well, it's not because of the offense. Nobody's saying anything good about the OC. Has Tomlin heard that, and do you expect anything before the end of this season to change? First of all, I am inside the Steelers facility. They always have your show on and they're going to be coming off the field here in a couple of minutes.

So what I'm going to say, I'm hoping they're still on, on the field. Cause you know, I got to go in that locker room in a little bit, but yeah, not too many people like Matt Canada in the city right now, probably the most hated person in the city, which is, you know, it's, it is sad to say. It's a guy trying to do his job, but it just hasn't produced results whatsoever. I think the worst thing that happened was that preseason put together five drives of 17 total plays, five touchdowns, and they look like world beaters.

And all of a sudden they resort back to what they look like right now. I just don't see Mike Tomlin making a change we're at the bye week right now i think you look at last year guys they were two and six at the bye week and they end up going seven and two i believe tomlin feels that's still the best way to go right now so everybody who's out there firing canada chance will probably keep saying it until probably January. Okay. So we got a long time. Everybody's found the rhythm of it though. The last fire Matt Canada chant, fire Canada chant was very much in sync from the beginning. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? Like the first time it was like fire, fire, fire, fire. Like everybody kind of off. Right. time, the whole city of Pittsburgh is like,

yep, in unison, team. Fire, Canada. It's like right on board. It's almost becoming a thing. Like, you know, let's go Steelers chance. Get started everywhere. It's almost like the Fire Canada chance are getting started everywhere in Pittsburgh.

But after the bye week, a little self-eval. Yinzers will give him a chance. Let's talk about the other side of the ball. Ty has a question for you, Kaboli. Yeah, Mark, something that Steelers fans are also pissed about is the lack of burn for both Broderick Jones and Joey Porter Jr. Joey Porter Jr. obviously had a massive interception in the Ravens' win. Is there any chance moving forward that we're going to see those guys

on the field a little bit more, considering they are their two top draft picks from this past year. Yeah, we'll start with Joey Porter. He got put into the starting lineup in the second half against the Ravens. Pretty much the only base defense he's played all year. So you can anticipate him finally taking that job over. It's a question of who he takes it from. I'm guessing right now Pat Peterson will be moved inside to be some sort of a rover,

some sort of a nickel slot type of back right now. So I think moving forward, they've always had that thought of Peterson playing multiple positions, but they didn't have that outside corner that they felt comfortable with. And Porter got hurt early in camp, sent him back a little bit. But I think moving forward, he's pretty much is going to be out there for the goodness. That's for Broderick Jones. I don't know. He played well the other day against the Ravens, but Dan Moore was coming off a injury here. I'm not quite sure what they're going to do there. They wanted to bring him along slow, too, as well, because he's the guy that didn't play a lot in college.

I mean, he played at a high level, but not a lot. But if he has another good game here in two weeks, Dan Moore is there. I think the whole thought was just to bring him along slowly. And once he gets in there, he'll stay in there. So it's a question of whether he goes to the right side, left side, or on the bench right now. But I think you're getting your wish. I think the two rookies will be starting probably from here on out.

Here we go. That's what I want to say. You're playing there. Because that defense is awesome. So if you're able to replenish with young guys, I think the entire city of Pittsburgh goes, okay, we got this defense for the next 15 years still. It's a staple of the city of Pittsburgh.

It's carrying the Steelers currently and has carried the Steelers for like the last 10 years. I think that's why the Angels are so pissed at old Canada. Diggs has a question for you, Caboli. Yeah, Mark, another thing they're pissed about, besides everything, I don't know if you know this, but... Why'd you say they? Yeah, they means you say they? Yeah.

They means you, right? Yes. The bully. This is Tone Diggs and Tone Diggs' group text. Yeah. Exactly. Another thing we are pissed about. I don't know if you know this.

Jalen Warren has more yards rushing and receiving than Naj does on the season with about 20 less touches. Is that going to keep going the way it's going as far as touches are concerned and starts? I'm smiling right here because the three topics you brought up, three of the biggest Yinzer topics that we hear around here, the Canada, the new rookies, and now Jay LeWarn. That's all they talk about. So you're right in line there, Diggs.

Yeah, you puppet. That's what the bullies said. We have eyes, Mark. I mean, I think they like what Jalen Warren's doing right now. Myself, I think he's in a perfect role with Najee Harris, to be honest with you. They're two very different backs, even though both are powerful guys. You keep Jalen Warren on third downs. He's able to convert third downs. He's an unbelievable pass protector guy. I think you still would like to have Najee. If you're going to run the ball, you're going to run the clock out.

You're going to have a guy that has 20, 20-plus carries a game and win a game that way. I think Najee is that type of guy. But I think as the season goes on, I think you're going to come very darn close to that 50-50 type of mark. There's never going to be a proclamation by Mike Tomlin saying, not Jalen Warren, he's your starting running back. That's not going to happen, but the reps might tighten up a little bit.

Jalen Warren, man, that's one guy I wouldn't want to step in front of and try to tackle him. He's powerful. What? Runs hard. Why? Over and he'll jump over you as well. So they got a good dilemma right there with him.

Yeah, Naj could be the next Chris Fuamata Maafala. True. You know what I mean? He could be. We have no idea. Hopefully he'll get a chance to really do it. Last question here for you. Koboli from Darius. Yeah, we know Kenny Pickett got banged up against Houston,

but obviously played and been practicing. Any update with his health? Does he need getting back better? And Deontay Johnson, top target, wide receiver. What's the update with him as well? Yeah, I saw Deontay just running out there right now. He looks pretty good. I would assume he's – I think he's eligible to come off the IR

or start to clock here next week. I wouldn't be shocked that he's ready to play in LA in two weeks from now whenever they come off the bye week. Kenny, he looked pretty good middle of last week. He took the brace off, I believe,

on a Thursday and never put it back. Looking pretty well with Kenny. He took the brace off, I believe, on a Thursday and never put it back. Dog. Looking pretty well. With Kenny, he just has to tighten up some of his accuracy. Stuff we saw from him in the preseason was really good. Him flushing the pocket when he probably shouldn't be. That's stuff they're working on right now.

But health-wise, they're pretty good. They need Cam Hayward back, I can tell you that. Well, yeah, we need Cam Hayward not to beat my ass. He told me I need to relax with everything I'm saying about Coach Tomlin because am I wrong in saying this? Am I wrong in saying this? And we're Tomlin. I'm a Tomlin guy. We're Tomlin people.

I feel like just like what's happening in New England with Bill Belichick, in Pittsburgh, there was a crew of people that would blindly follow Mike Tomlin people. I feel like just like what's happening in New England with Bill Belichick, in Pittsburgh, there was a crew of people that would blindly follow Mike Tomlin forever. I think I was one of those people. A lot of the people I was around were those types of people. Those people have gotten a bit more quiet than they have been in

years past. I'm not saying they don't feel that way, but they've gotten a bit more quiet. I think it's all because of this Matt Canada stuff and the way he's publicly sticking up for public enemy number one pretty much in Pittsburgh. Do you have that same sense or am I misreading the situation? I don't know. I think a lot of, I mean, first of all, yeah,

there was a lot of people who are now anti-Tomlin, but I think there was always anti-Tomlin, but they just didn't have much to stand on to criticize him about rather than late. I mean, they've only won a playoff game and once in like five, six years, they haven't made it to the Super Bowl in 13, 14 years. So those people are coming out very vocal now and basically blaming everything on him. And he is the head coach. He does make those decisions. But, you know, just watching Mike Tomlin, I know this is a very unpopular thing to say, at least locally.

The guy got the energy of a 20-year-old out there. I mean, I cannot see him, you know, taking a break or, you know, not working 20, 22 hours a day. This is a guy who just absolutely loves the game. You don't find that for a guy who's been around 17, 18 years. Grass ain't greener on your side. You might find yourself... The problem is they just haven't

won enough for the crazies or the yinzers. For a reason, it's true. He hasn't won enough. He'll be the first one to tell you that. There's a high standard that he puts on himself and a high standard that the fans hold him to, and they blame him probably second here.

I mean, Art Rooney gets blamed too, so it's Canada, Rooney, and Tomlin. Nobody's safe. The standard is the standard. Hell yeah. Always has been, always will be. And now they're questioning if Matt Canada is up to the standard of the standard of the Pittsburgh Steelers. You broke some news.

I believe you told us like a week ago, and then you said it on the radio. Byron Lefwich had been reaching out to the Steelers organization about becoming an offensive consultant. Obviously, he has called plays in the past, doesn't have a job now. The Steelers offense seemingly inept because of the play caller is what everybody on earth with eyes is saying. Not the Pittsburgh Steelers, though. They're just kind of new phone

who dis to Byron Lefkowitz. Is that what you're hearing? You know, what do they say? Leave it on red? Is that what they call it? Yeah, that is what they call it. Leave it on red type of stuff. That's stuff that I hear. I mean, that's something that would never happen in season with this organization.

So, I mean, I like Lefty. He was here around, he was here twice. Heck of a dude. I think he's a heck of a football mind, but that's just something, probably just putting his name out there, trying to fill the waters. Oh, you're saying he used you! Oh, no!

Oh, Kaboley! Had a source through a source through a source, remember? Oh, yeah. Smart, smart. Anonymous source as always. Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you. Have an incredible bye week over there. All right. Let's go, Pens. You going to the game tonight? Absolutely not.

Nice job, Mark. Yeah, Mark. What's his problem? Caboli's not a hockey guyourne is not a hockey guy. He's not a hockey guy. Him and Yowie go at it all the time. Yeah, we don't know who Yowie is. Josh Yowie.

Yes. Yeah, I've seen him on the internet. Penguin's beat reporter. Yeah, I've seen Josh Yowie on the internet. Love that. Thanks to LeBourne. Didn't have his eyes open there for the first 45 seconds or so. I think it was potentially where he was holding the camera.

Plus with him just getting up. Caboli has answered the phone for us in numerous places. He's the best. We've been in bed with Caboli. Yeah, we have. On the toilet. A broken toilet with Caboli. Caboli's a grinder.

Caboli's in there. What did we learn from that conversation? Nothing. Right? Rookie starting. Moon forward. Thank God. Joey, not the other one, though.

Roderick Jones, maybe, he said. But he still said we're going to work him back in. I believe it was zero pressures allowed last week, which at that left tackle position, I don't think that's been done in three, four years. Big. Against the Ravens, too. Guy's big.

Yeah. Guy's very, very, very large. Joe Porter Jr. was number one ranked. Now take this however you want to take it. BFF corner last week. What were you saying? What was that whole preface? Take this however you want to take it. PFF corner last week. What were you saying? What was that whole preface? Take this however you want to take it. Some people don't believe in him. Some people do. Yeah, and D-Butt just made a pretty weird face

over in this direction. He's a PFF guy. I disagree with him. I respect those guys, but it's tough to grade a DB position. Oh, that's what everybody says about PFF. I think the cats are right when they're positive about Steelers. Yeah, that's how it's used BFF. I think the stats are right when they're positive about the Steelers, for sure. That's how it's used. Aguilar did toast

him, but Aguilar did what Aguilar does and just dropped the ball. Oh, yeah. Unlike Aguilar. What a sad scene that was. Fires, babies getting tossed, and then Aguilar just gets murdered on live news. Out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. Awesome.

Alright, so we learned from Kaboli that maybe the rookies are going to get in there. We learned that the crazy Yinzers are louder about Tomlin. That doesn't mean anything, though, I don't think. Matt Canada going to be the offense coordinator for the rest of the season. Remember, last year after the bye, they had a lot of success, he said. They still think that's going to be the path in the avenue after a week of self-eval. Not a bad time for, you know, bye week. You get a win, so you can actually say, like,

got a win, division win, rival win. So you can still have those vibes for the week. And then also, we got a lot to figure out. I assume the Steelers are happy with the timing of this bye being early as hell. I would think so, too. Actually, you know, going into the bye being 3-2, it's not the worst thing in the world. Has it looked great?

Absolutely not. But that doesn't matter. 3-2 is the only thing that matters. And the AFC, three and two is okay. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's a lot of teams that are going to have a lot of losses that are going to be able to kind of maybe go on a run

towards the end of the season. It's all health-related. Everything is health-related at the right position. Sounds like Deontay Johnson will be back in a couple weeks too. He's a weapon. Yeah, probably be a top target once he gets back. And pick it. I mean, pick-ins, you know, making that big play Yeah, probably be a top target once he gets back. And pick it, obviously. I mean, pick ends, you know, making that big play.

I'm sure that'll only help that connection. Oh, I didn't get to what you wanted to ask there as you wrote down on your dry race board about, have we talked to Canada about the lack of celebration when your team does something good? Yeah, what was that about? I think today's the first time they'll be able to ask that, right? What if he said, you think I'm happy ever?

Have you heard what everybody's saying? Yeah. This place is chanting fire me. Okay, we score a touchdown. All I'm wondering is how can I'm happy ever? Have you heard what everybody's saying? Yeah. This place is chanting, fire me. Okay, we score a touchdown. All I'm wondering is how can I get screwed here? That is what I'm sorry. I'm not as happy as everybody else. 70,000 people chant the fire me every single day. What if that is his

answer? And joining us live from Manatee, Ohio is the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Ha. A.J., sweet hoodie, bruh. Thank you. Yeah, hell of a game last night, huh? It was a hell of a game last night. Let's dive right into it. Dump truck, Bob Spillane has two picks, a couple massive shots, has the C on his chest. I was mind-blown that the guy that we saw in Pittsburgh lining up Derrick Henry from 15 yards out,

running his face into him, and being that tone setter for the Steelers has become one of the guys for that Raiders defense alongside Max Crosby. They ate last night, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, they did. I love his tinted visor, the jet black visor as well. That thing looks amazing.

But what did we say yesterday with Fred Warner? Hey, if you run to the ball, great things happen. We see that pick that you just showed, the second one. He turns, runs the ball. Peters makes a great play, pops it up. Your teammate's there to capitalize on it. So, yeah, I thought the Raiders' defense played very well. What do you think of Max Crosby just being a game wrecker all the time?

He's awesome. Like, first off, the dude's motor is crazy crazy but then the crazy bend he has too like when you watch how like yeah all of it like he can just when you can turn your shoulders like that and run like that and you have the motor that he has and just obviously the the competitive stamina to honestly never want to lose a rep like it's uh it's special I think it's it's a beautiful thing to watch honestly and we don't want to keep harping on this but he's supposed to have Chandler Jones on the other side. So that would have been even more so. And you see the Raiders get the win in the fashion that they did last night

against this Packers team. And I don't know if A.J. Dillon took a flop there like an offensive lineman did last night. We're going to talk to A.Q. Shipley about that. What are they doing? Offensive linemen are flopping. Right in the middle of the field. Very easy to see.

Well, your offense ain't worth shit. You need a first down on third down. Hey, yeah, exactly. Go eat some dirt. You got to do what you got to do like this. But that offensive line position, that was kind of something that I thought would never take place. But you think about what the Raiders were able to do last night. And Jimmy, you know, Devontae Adams afterwards, after

his 46-yard appearance with a shoulder injury lingering, hasn't been able to practice. He said, if we're only going to throw me the ball when I have single coverage, I'm only going to have 22 catches on a year. He said, we have to figure out how to give me the ball more, even after a win. I don't think he was taking a shot at anybody. I think he was just talking a matter of fact.

So Devontae doesn't have this massive night. They still win. Interesting time for the Raiders right now. Interesting. Still a receiver like that, once again, we always talk about players who change the math. He's definitely one of those guys, and he'll be out there. He'll be drawing shell coverage over the top of them or double teams. So, yeah, you have to scheme

up ways to still get him the ball, just like we saw with Jamar Chase. When he was kind of made some comments, you saw they made it a point to get him the ball. So Josh McDaniels, even last year, I think it was early in the year, it took him a while to really start feeding Devontae how they should. But he's a guy who's going to create space. I don't care how many guys you put on him, it's going to be a point in the route where he's open.

So Jimmy G's got to find him. Joining us now is a man who threw a lot of balls to Devontae Adams, no matter how many people were covering him and no matter what the play was called. A ball was potentially going to 17 in a massive moment from this man's hand. This man, four-time NFL MVP. This man, new quarterback for the New York Jets. This man,

walking faster than any human has ever walked after tearing his Achilles. This man gives nicknames that start jerseys in pharmaceutical companies. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. What's up, dude? Hey, what's going on? Hey, great to see you.

Let's piggyback off what we were just talking about. Devontae Adams, after the game, was asked about his production last night. Had 46 yards. Then he said, if we're only going to throw me the ball when I'm single coverage, I'm only going to have 22 catches at what stage did davante start becoming the focal point of defenses and at what stage do you as a quarterback with davante adams just have to not care about any of that and know that he's going to make a play well davante is always open um that's the facts uh you know covered to him is just different than other people he's

got just an incredible uh skill set he's got range he's got uh ball skills he can uh create separation he's the best in the league at late hands so you just gotta stick with him and listen i watched i watched the game last night i love love Devontae. He's still a dear friend of mine. I thought he handled everything really, really well because that game meant a lot to him. Going back against your former team, four targets, that ain't it. Yeah, you would understand why he would maybe be feeling a certain way after the game.

And if you're Jimmy G, obviously you've been in this position before, and take us through this. Because whenever somebody says they're always open, they're always open, I don't think we fully understand it. Like even if somebody is standing on him or two people are on him, still a guy that you give a chance to. Is that what everybody means whenever it's like always open or what does it exactly mean for a quarterback?

Well, look, I mean, Jair is a fantastic player, for sure. And I love Rasul. Rasul is a great competitor as well. Those guys weren't, you know, singled up a lot. You know, it wasn't like Jair was following them all over the field and it was just one-on-one matchup. I think that's a misnomer. It's like there's not these one-on-one matchups anymore in the league, really.

You know, like last week, you know, we had two days ago, we had Garrett and Pat Sertan, who's phenomenal, you know, phenomenal player. And I was going to be a great duel between Pat and Garrett. No, you know, you motion from one side to the other. A lot of times, unless they're a man who covers, the corner stays back side. So you're not even getting that matchup all the time. Now, there were certain times where Pat traveled with Garrett, and you saw some of that matchup. But just like last night, they moved Devontae around, they put

him in the slot. Ja is going to stay outside in those situations. Plus they had a lot of help for him. But when it comes to feeding him, you just got to give him an extra look. You got to give him an extra look because he's able to do things on different timing. And there was a comment last night about, you know, like Jacoby Myers, you know, gets open on time or something. That was like the gist of the comment. And I was just kind of laughing at myself going, that's an uninformed opinion that actually isn't based on fact at all. Because the fact is that what Devontae does in the line of scrimmage,

what Devontae does down the field is like no one else can do. And you have to give him opportunities. We played Minnesota a couple years ago, our last year together. the field is like no one else can do and you have to give him opportunities we we played minnesota a couple years ago he's our last year together and they say you know what we're going to play two trail we're going to play a two-man trail on him and we had two hitch conversions against two trail because literally they didn't they thought there's no way they're going to throw this ball we got a guy underneath we got harrison smith over the top and i just said we talked on the sidelines.

He goes, hey, I think we can fit a couple quick hole shots in there. And we did. And we're just kind of laughing because it just, they don't expect that to happen. But you have to kind of stick with certain plays and trust that Devontae is going to be open. Because that's, you know, when you've got an offense and you're trying to be dynamic,

you've got to get the ball to your best player. So, listen, I mean, it's tough. They try to take him away. He's going to be the focus of every single game plan, but you've got to still find ways to get him probably more than four opportunities. I think Jimmy G is going to be pumped to hear all that, by the way. Like, legitimately, coming from you, it would make sense. Go ahead, AJ.

No, legit. I'm saying, like, he's probably going to listen and be like, okay, like that makes sense because he wants Devontae to be great too. You know what I mean? I don't think he wants to deal with that. Don't you think, Aaron? Yeah, I agree. Okay, good.

All right, sweet. I think we just made the Rangers better. You throw it to 17, life's going to get better. Life's going to be better. Stats are going to be better. Offense is going to move smoother. You've got to give them some chances. Go ahead, AJ.

I'm not talking specifically about davante we know he is different but have you seen quarterbacks in the past or has ever happened to you where you feel like all right this guy's not getting enough targets he's a stud i gotta find a way to get him more looks and you have to force the ball to him we always hear about this like if a studs like obj or something comes to a new team oh are they gonna feel like you have to force some balls just to try to get him going? Is that a real thing? I think there's a few things at play. One,

you've got to find ways to get a guy ball early in the game, I think, to get him into the game and get him feeling good about being a part of the mix. We would use run solutions a lot of times as those things. We have a run called and we have just a little smoke grab line scrimmage

or maybe a one-step slant and trying to get him or a bubble. I always try to get him a ball early in the game, and I did with Jordy Nelson as well and Greg Jennings, a driver over the years, where you want your best player, your best skilled player to kind of get him, feel like they're a part of the game early just so they kind of get in. So get him a couple balls early of get him feel like they're a part of the game early just so they kind of get in so give him a couple balls early uh to get him going um and you know it's again it's a different when you say force feed it's a different meaning with a guy like davante compared to

somebody else because he's just more open than than uh than probably everybody else on the team and he has a wider catch radius and all these things that I mentioned earlier. So you have to kind of find a way to get him involved. Sorry, I got a BFR. I got my BFR going. Is that thing putting your Achilles back together? It sounds like a bunch of people just came out and went, let's go out and beat this thing. It's five-minute sequences here.

So we set this up so I can – I'm in the middle of rehab, so I have a five-minute window where my mouth's all pumped up. Hell, yeah. And then it's deflated. So in 10 minutes, you're going to hear that noise again if we're still doing this. Hey, sounds good to me. But I appreciate all this information because I think a lot of us, whenever we hear like, hey, you only had this amount of targets, and then somebody can say, well, he was covered.

And then analytics people will be like, well, he was more covered than this. What you're saying is there's some people that that is not, like, it does not matter. And Devontae is one of those humans. It's that, but it's also, you know, you've got to find ways to take the double off. If you're going to set them up outside, and especially outside the numbers every single split, you're going to get doubled a bunch, right?

But if you move in slot, if you motion, if you get them into, you know, number three in a three-by-one and throw them a bubble maybe to get going, you know, that drive where he had three of his four catches you know you saw they put him in the slot he ran a looky route packers are bringing pressure preston was kind of you know a no man's land there and people wonder why that was doing it well every now and then you got to bring a pressure and you have to drop an end like that's part of it you know like jimmy g did a good job looking off to the right holding the backer to the the right, and then, you know, coming back to Devontae. And then they came back.

Yeah, it's beautiful. You get the clip right there. And then came back and he threw him a screen, I think, in one of the next plays. And then you hit him, you know, on third down the red zone. But it's, you know, you got to, you know, the last part of this is something that happened over time. When you have a player that comes from another team, right,

you know how much that means to them to go back and play your former team. Like, as a quarterback, there's just something that's like, man, I want to get this guy a touchdown. I want to get him a ball. I want to make him feel, you know, because we're all competitors. You want to make them feel like, hey, you messed up. You messed up not bringing me back. And there's something in you that's like, I've got to throw this guy a touchdown.

I've got to get this guy a ball, you know, in the red zone. I've got to get this guy a lot of opportunities. So, you know, look, Devontae ended up the right way. He's a pro. And Jimmy's doing the best he can. And I felt like he played a pretty clean game last night. And they got the win, which is the most important thing. But if you want to be dynamic, and we went through stretches like this

over the years for sure where, you know, Devontae didn't get the amount of, you know, targets that he probably should have in that game. In the following game, it was always like, all right, 15 targets coming your way. Yeah, that's like A.J. Brown a couple weeks ago. And then for our team, the Colts, we had Andre Johnson from the Texans, obviously, on the Colts. I think he maybe had like 20 yards

the rest of the season. Against the Texans, he went for like 360, four touchdowns. Andrew Luck was like, where are you? How are you? Let's go ahead and do this entire thing. It's interesting because the humans that are involved, let's talk about the humans that are involved

on the other side of the sideline last night. Whenever you're watching the Packers and Jordan Love, are you judging? Are you trying to guess what plays that LaFleur's calling? And whenever you see where Jordan Love is at, especially in that primetime moment last night, what are your thoughts and do you send him a message? Yeah, I sent him a message last night. I love Jordan. You know, he's a great kid. I think he's showed a lot of things early in the season. He's shown ability to throw the ball down the field. He's very athletic. I feel like he's had a number of really nice look-offs.

And just a number of plays that kind of I think the average fan has got to be like, oh, you know, this guy is going to be around here for a while. This guy can really play. As we've seen in New York, in Jersey, with our young stud, week to week the narrative can really change. It can be you're not the guy and this is a mistake one week and the next week you're going to be around for 15 years. And that's the overreaction of our league.

And the important thing as a quarterback is just trying to keep your confidence, not kind of get into all the bullshit, realize it's just just part of it there's going to be ups and downs in your career there's ups and downs on the season you just got to keep pushing through you got to be the same guy every single day you got to inspire your teammates and bring that consistency and they got bi-week coming up and then uh then going to i believe uh denver i think after that so a good chance to uh to bounce back for them. But love Jordan. And, you know, obviously watching the game, there's things about the offense that I know

because I ran, you know, similar offense there. So I have an idea about what they're trying to do. I felt like, kind of like in our game, there were times in the red zone where maybe they weren't as aggressive as they could have been. You know, we, in our game, had a couple where we kind of ran the ball, ran the ball. One of the toughest plays in football is like third and goal from the,

it's called seven to the ten. There's just not a lot of great plays in that situation, even six and five. I feel like those are tough situations. So I thought he made a great throw to christian uh on the on the keeper where christian kind of got lost there and peters actually makes what turns out to be a great play this time i mean if christian scores on that play it's 17 10 that's a whole different ball game he horse collars them gets them down like at the five they hold them to a field goal now it's 13's 13-10 instead of 17-10. That was a big game-changing play.

Obviously, he got unlucky on the tipped interception. The other one, he probably just didn't see the inside backer there on the strike route. But listen, there's going to be growing pains. I had growing pains my rookie year. We all go through it. Sorry, my rookie year, my first year starting, my fourth year just like him. He's going to be just fine. Like I said, he's a great kid.

They've got a young team. They've had some injuries. Aaron Jones has been out the last few weeks. He's a dynamic player. Christian, you know, had been out, just came back this last week. So I would just say to the Packers fans, just take some deep breaths. You know, just trust his kid. He's a great kid.

He cares about it. He's going to be around for a while and they're going to get it fixed. Okay. I think Packers fans are going to love hearing that. And as you were talking about being more aggressive in the red zone, Ty gave a thank you over here quietly. So he was very appreciative to hear that you're thinking along the same lines as him.

Let's talk about another young kid. Tone has a question for you. Yeah. Speaking of young studs, C.J. Stroud has zero interceptions to start his career, and it's not like he's not throwing the ball. He's third in yards as well. As someone who is the best of all time at not throwing interceptions while still throwing for yards,

how impressive is it for a rookie to be doing that this early in his career? Yeah, it's incredible it really is um you know ball security is job security and he's done an incredible job of that i'd be interested to to look at how many um i think because they track this again i think some of it is subjective in nature but they track the number of like turnover worthy plays and i'd be interested to see how many throws you know were in that category because I feel like overall he's been doing a fantastic job of taking care of the football and not like having plays with oh that should have been picked or oh you know that was

a bad read I don't feel like in the in the few times I've seen him on the red zone channel when when the games have been have been on uh he hasn't been making bad decisions. So just, again, I don't know him at all, but from afar, I do appreciate he seems to be a really humble kid. He's got his head screwed on the right way. He's a tough kid. And a lot of people were dogging the Texans. They're going to be terrible. But what D'Amico's done there, especially after a 1-2 start

and coming back and winning a couple big games, they had a tough one there at the end. TJ had an incredible drive. I saw that, to put them ahead late in the game, and they just couldn't stop them there on that last drive. But, man, 180-something throws in a row. I think 180, yeah. Yeah, without a pick to start a career, that's phenomenal.

And then Tone, like you said, I think the most important stat is, it's not like he's throwing for 150 yards a game. He was averaging, I think, 300 a game before this last game. So big props to CJ. Great start to his career. And again, ball security is job security. What do you think? Do you think he's understanding defenses better than others?

That's a big part of the turnovers or no? Listen, there's some things about coaches that get too much credit and some things about coaches that get too much blame, especially when it comes to offense. I see certain things like they're blaming the coach for this specific call or this thing that happened. It's like, no, no, at the end of the day, the coach makes a call and then the quarterback and it makes a decision um so the coach has an opportunity to put the quarterback

in a position to be successful but the quarterback ultimately has the final say-so on where the ball goes and what decision actually gets gets made so i think there's got to be some credit to his coordinator for putting him in a good position but the end of the day cj's one ball on the trigger and he deserves a ton of credit for making accurate accurate throws and being opportunistic and taking care of the football because uh as a young quarterback you know that's uh that's a lot of the growing pains is usually you know the fumbles and the picks and the turnovers and he just hasn't done them so they've been in you know a lot of football games and i think they're two and three right now,

which most people probably didn't think was going to happen in the first five games. So a lot of love for CJ. Great start to his career and continued success, young man.

Especially without Jack Easterby down there. You know what I mean? I read Jack Easterby. I don't know if you know who that guy is. He was FCA guy for the Patriots.

Assistant GM slash owner of Texans in a matter of just like 12 months. Good prayer circle. Get you to the top there for Jack Easterby. He leaves. We didn't know how they fill their void. Well, Casario seemingly knows what he's doing. So does D'Amico and CJ's ball.

And you talk about, you know, the coordinator's job is to put quarterback in a good position. But ultimately, it's the quarterback that's pulling the trigger. Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy seemingly a great tag team. I know you complimented them last week. Another week of dominance for Brock Purdy, and Dan Orlovsky came out and said that you put Mac Jones in that offense. Mac Jones would be doing the same thing that Brock Purdy is doing right now. I guess in theory, that makes sense because Mac can throw every ball. He's accurate. He does

this. Brock Purdy's brain though. Oh, what's that? You're not working, bro. Who's that, JK? Is that JK? You are not working. He's not working. Hey, what's going on, man? Hey, look. I'm out here

working. I see him on TV talking on the phone. Why do you never need to work. He's got that machine. He's got that machine on right now. I got those modalities over there. Hey, thanks, bro. I'm on my second switch.

I'm proud of you. How old is he? How old is he? Hey, how old is he? He old is he? Hey, how old is he? He's young. Very young. Yeah, you're 39. I love the fact that he's 24 years old.

We just looked it up. 24-year-old coming in there. Hey, old ass. I'm working. What do you got? I'm a second sweat. Right outside the door here. It's on TV for sure.

I love you. JK's an awesome kid, man. He really is. He's a fantastic, fantastic kid. It's been fun to sure. I love you. JK is an awesome kid, man. He really is. He's a fantastic, fantastic kid. It's been fun to be pushing with him. I mean, there's, you know, we had another guy in here who tore his Achilles. Unfortunately, we had an injury, again, with my squad, another Achilles. So there's a few of us who are going to be pushing each other to get back.

But JK had surgery a couple days after me. So we've been working together a bunch. Well, we love that Achilles healing factory. You guys keep pushing each other. Keep pushing modern medicine forward, too. We appreciate that. Seems like everybody's way ahead of schedule. I want to get back to what I was asking you about Brock Purdy, though.

You put him over last week and talked about him, and you talk about how the quarterback is ultimately the guy that has to pull the trigger and put the ball there. So it's not just the coordinator. Dan Orlovsky said, you put Mac Jones over there, he'd be doing the same exact thing that Brock Purdy's doing. And Dan probably has a reason to say that. But I feel like that's everybody's opinion that doesn't like Brock Purdy.

They just think it's Shanahan's offense and yada, yada, yada. This dude makes seemingly every right decision quicker than any young quarterback has in a long time. I guess C.J. Stroud is another guy to kind of throw into that thing. Why is that the thought? And do you think Brock Purdy hears any of this whenever he's going about his business throughout the week? Oh, I hope he does.

I hope he does. Because that's just a little extra fodder, a little extra motivation on the shoulder um i'll tell you what man i don't know how you watch that film and come to that conclusion i know there's a lot of a lot of so-called experts on the network that you're repping now whoa whoa don't throw us in that old thing whoa no nobody on your show i mean of course you guys you guys all have educated opinions, but you're all so open-minded to not be having all the answers.

You know, you're constantly talking about how you guys are, well, you personally, you're not the smartest in the room. All of us. And I'm not claiming to be the smartest in the room either, but I will say that when I watch Brock Birdie, I see the guy making some big-time throws and he made a couple the other night that were incredible thrown over the top of guys throwing around guys moving up in the pocket keeping his

eyes downfield making plays and yeah Kyle's a great play caller and kiddo you know is you know I saw him on the show yesterday he's a great player and Deebo is a fantastic you know know, Swiss Army knife. And CMC is one of the best, if not the best, running backs in the league. And the line is great. On and on and on. At the end of the day, one guy pulling the trigger. He's been making a lot of really good decisions.

You talk about interceptions. He doesn't have one yet on the season, I don't believe, right? No. No. This kid, you know, he was drafted with the last pick. There's some motivation. I remember we played him in the preseason that year, and he came in and he took him right down the field.

I remember thinking, like, man, that's pretty cool for that kid. You know, last pick in the draft. Might have a chance to make the team. You know, Allen would say there's a lot to make the team. Allen would say there's a lot to that Iowa State mentality, I'm sure. How they raise them out there. I know Ty doesn't like that.

He'd be wrong, but that's okay. But I would say that's probably a pretty fun city to hang out in. Ames? Ames? Yeah. The armpit of America, you bet. What is your problem? Ames is a good place.

They got good people up there. You want to have fun in Iowa, you go to Iowa City. But that's neither here nor there. Well, I'm not going to Waterloo. I mean, not according to Brees and not according to Alan Lazard. But anyway, listen, Brock's done a great job. I hope they keep shit-talking him. Just for his sake, just give him a little extra motivation.

That's always fun. But I think he's quieting people every single week. I love it. And he's getting paid $940,000. They can do so much with that. And he's living with a roommate I saw. He's got a roommate, and he's doing the rideshare program as well or something like that. He's probably having it because if you think about the taxes out there,

$940,000. Yeah, making like $200,000. And then rent in San – Living paycheck to paycheck. This guy's clearing $14,000 this year. Slicing and dicing. Maybe he's a part of a co-op and they have some sort of barter system for goods and services and stuff just to cut down other ways to save money.

Who knows? Yeah, I wonder how it's all working. Hey, we hope you survive this year off the field this is old school this is old school yeah guys got two three jobs to play in the nfl that's how much he appreciates this thing aj has something for you aaron how did you feel watching uh zach wilson and your boys rally behind your coach behind hackett and get the win over the Denver Broncos? That was a little nerve-wracking for sure at times. But I loved every minute of it. I think one of the coolest things is watching the end of that game just to see how people love Nathaniel so much.

And, you know, he's not going to make a big deal about it, but he's a man. And those comments were horseshit in the beginning of the season. And we all wanted that for him, for sure. And so I'm really happy for him. Happy for Zach. He made

some big-time throws. He made a big throw on the stick knot, a big conk down the middle that was really important. Had a couple other big third down conversions. And then, you know, Quincy coming up with a big strip sack and Bryce picking that up and running. It was pretty special. So proud of our boys.

That was a big win for us. Awesome for Hack. Again, you can see all the love. I mean, just nonstop hugs. Solid game in the game ball afterwards. And just really proud of our guys. You continue to crush hashtags, just absolutely slaughtering them on all social media platforms.

I did appreciate you making a rare appearance on the internet going, keep my coach's name out your mouth. Just a little bit of a callback there after that game. Did you see how Sean Payton handled it afterwards? And have you talked to Sean Payton since this whole thing took place? Okay. No. Dead forever.

Fine. That's, we are never. Is that it? Yeah, I haven't talked to him. Nice. Are you open to talking to him? No problem talking to him or anybody. So, if he was to call anybody. I don't know about that.

There might be a few people. You might not. There might be a few people. So Sean Payton FaceTimes you. Let's say he FaceTimes you later today. And you answer that. It's got to be a FaceTime. No, it's got to be a FaceTime.

It's a call. It's not going to go through. So it has to be a FaceTime. I think we all know that. The Dolphins. Well, we learned. Everybody learned that. Now we do that. The Dolphins. Well, everybody learned that. Now we do. While the Dolphins are doing it, okay, the Dolphins are doing it out there.

You have your Achilles hovering above two Dolphins fornicating with each other. He FaceTimes. Are you stopping the rehab of your Achilles to talk to Sean Payton? Depends if the ayahuasca is hidden at that time. If it is. Sorry, brother. Can't pick it up. We do not have time. Can't wait to hear how that goes.

Ty has a question. Yeah, did you appreciate the Jets' social media and how everybody responded to this thing? I love our social media. I think they did a great job. They got good content. What was that, Jets drive? One Jets drive?

Yeah, one Jets drive, yeah. That's phenomenal. I think we've been learning a lot about the jets through you visiting over there the pr guy certainly something but the social media team fantastic ty has a question for you yeah aaron i don't know how much you've seen of him this year but gardner minshu's kind of taken over in indianapolis obviously uh ar gets hurt he's been hurt a couple times and i know know the saying is, hey, backup quarterback always needs to be ready to go in, be ready to play.

But I know as a fan of the Packers, watching you guys, if you would have got hurt, everyone's like, okay, well, we're shit out of luck. That's just kind of the way it is. So you don't ever really expect it to happen. But Gardner's played in, I think, four of the five games so far this year. And he's also going to start kind of now moving forward with AR as an AC joint issue. I mean, obviously you're never in that position, but how difficult do you think it is to kind of be a backup quarterback

but also know like, hey, there's a good chance I might have to go out there and play meaningful snaps every single game, and then being able to just immediately kind of control the locker room there was a clip of him going ape shit after they won like how difficult do you think that situation would be i think it's much more difficult when you're a younger player i think as you've gotten some starts on your belt i was imagine um and then have some time on the field it's much easier you have experience to fall back on. You have positive memories to think about.

You have kind of a Rolodex of good plays to kind of hit your brain at various times when you need some positive affirmation or some reminder about certain plays. And Gardner's played some really good football and bounced around a little bit now. But he's a very reliable backup, very reliable. And a guy who can come in and win games for you, not just kind of try and hold on or you're going to win in spite of. And I think he deserves a lot of credit for that. I think I got to see some of his plays Sunday, and I thought he did a really nice job.

And, again, what's the formula for being effective and sticking around? It's taking care of the football. It's being opportunistic. And then it's just keeping things moving forward and positive plays. And I'm sure he prepares the right way. He was ready to play. You know, the young kid that got there, Richardson, he's going to be – he's got a chance to be really special.

Now, like I tell a lot of young quarterbacks, you know, sometimes you got to slide, though. You know, he's got to be – he's a big, strong dude. I tell this to Josh all the time. Josh Allen, he's been doing it for a while. But, like, every now and then there's a time and a place where you want to run somebody over. I mean, Justin Fields, I feel like, ran somebody over in

the game on Thursday. Gain of zero. Gain of zero. It was awesome. But those plays are not really sustainable long, long term. That way of playing. But he's going to learn and I think he'll have a nice long career in the league.

But while he's out, you'll get a chance to watch a real pro in Gardner. But while he's out, I mean, he'll get a chance to watch, you know, a real pro in Gardner. And Indy's got to feel good about, you know, him and the opportunity to win with him at the helm. Hell, yeah. And we got Jonathan Taylor back.

And however long he needs, we got Zach Moss at running back. This guy's probably going to be trade bait, we assume, by the end of the season or halfway through the season. What's that? Zach Moss says, hey, I see you, JTT you're a great player congrats on the contract let me get a 160 this real quick Zach Moss woke up and said you can make 26 and a half million dollars still at running back okay let me go ahead and do this thing he's been doing that all season for us though because the offensive line has been so much better. So we assume that Jonathan Taylor will come in and help

whenever he gets back to form. He's been out for a while. But Gardner Minshew, whenever I went up to training camp this past offseason with the Colts, I was talking to all the boys, and then I got a chance to chat with Gardner Minshew. Everybody said the same thing. He doesn't do social media anymore. He doesn't do anything.

He basically said, I want to make the most of my football life while it still exists. It's almost like a perspective changer whenever people kind of get towards the end of their football run. I'm not saying Gardner Minshew is that. He could probably play for another 10 years, but at Jacksonville, he took over. He was the guy. Then he goes to Philadelphia. He's the backup. Wants to be the starter. Plays well, and they tell him, you're the backup to Jalen Hurts. Then he comes to the Colts knowing he's going to be the backup, but now, and they tell him, you're the backup to Jalen Hurts. Then he comes to the Colts knowing he's going to be the backup, but now it's like his team has been his team for the first five weeks,

and it certainly is for the next four at least. That perspective about the end of your career and potentially not having football is a very real one. Whenever you think about that, do you think that's a motivator for guys? Do you think that's a clear picture that everybody needs? And did you have any of those situations throughout your 18 year career thus far that you can recall and be like i appreciate the fact that i'm still playing at this stage where maybe through an error you can get a little bit kind of down into dumps and maybe not as appreciative yeah for sure

i think there's always moments a lot of times it's uh you know it's very jarring moments for me injuries uh that help you recalibrate your perspective uh for gardner it could have been you know benching or being cut or not being wanted back by a team uh so i give him a lot of credit now i'm just gonna throw this out there this could be totally false uh but he looks way more like a hippie uh than me so i don't know if he's had some major perspective change there could be some you know use of plant medicine i you know if he has been you know kudos to him if he wants to reach out i'm always here but i've been a fan of his by the way he plays, the way he carries himself, and the fact that he has a strong mustache game as well.

So, yeah, there he is right there. Look at him. Yeah, he's awesome. In real life, too, just like all ball. That's all I care about. He's been a consummate professional, like mentor to AR, but also I'm okay being a starter still in this league. We're lucky to have him, certainly, and we hope AR survives.nor has a question for you yeah a lot of teams are in it but there

are some teams the patriots included who are not and some of these one in four teams the season kind of changes a little for him it feels like belichick said you know the patriots need to go back to you know ground zero and kind of change their entire philosophy. And then the Vikings in the NFC North, they're kind of talking about moving Kirk. Justin Jefferson's on the IR now. What do they do now that they're 1-4? From a player's perspective, even though you weren't on many teams that were out of it by the time Week 5 wrapped up, but from a player's perspective, when you hear your coach say those things or you kind of hear the fodder of

a team being blown up and sold for bits and pieces, the Broncos, another team after you guys just beat them, how does that affect players in the locker room and what that season kind of turns into for guys that are on those teams? It starts to turn into thinking

about what your off-season plans are. We're going to vacation. I would imagine. Now, listen, coming out of training camp, whether you want to admit it or not, I think everybody knows, especially veteran players know, that there's six to 12 teams that could win it. And you kind of know. Again, every now and then there's a team that comes out of nowhere,

but you kind of know, are we that team or are we not that team? Every now and then you can get off to a hot start when you're not sure your team is there or sometimes the opposite where you might get off to a rough start and you're thinking yourself like we had in in uh in 14 like man we got a damn good team what's we just got to get some something going here and then we went to chicago and won a game and got on a roll and it just kind of happens for some teams and doesn't for others but when when you start hearing that stuff, and again, I've talked about it and we've talked about it and you guys talked about it, the trade deadline is so much more of a thing now in the NFL. And I think it's coming up at the end of this month, right?

So you're going to see, just like in baseball, after that all-star break happens, who's selling and who's buying. So basically who's tanking for Caleb Williams and who's trying to make a push here. And it sucks, you know, because as a competitor, listen, we play this game for a lot of different reasons, but deep down we want to win championships. We want to be a part of special teams.

We want to make runs in the playoffs. We want to play in Super Bowl. We want to win championships. And when that gets taken away by poor play and then management or whatever the case may be, injuries sometimes, it's demoralizing. But start thinking about where are you going to go that's warm that can take your mind off of the frustration of another season lost. Yeah, it's amazing, like, what the NBA, you know,

because you're talking about the trade deadline. It's like, I feel like the NBA has kind of ushered in this into the sports world almost, where guys like, hey, you know what, not happy here. Hamstring, hamstring, get me to a new team. Now, there isn't as many guys that can play in the NBA, so they certainly have a lot more leverage. But if you're at the, you know, if you're one of the guys, you can kind of dictate where you want to go, how you want to do it. And I think the NFL is getting a little bit more aggressive at the trade deadline as well.

It's good fodder for us. Von Miller, though, remember, he got traded to L.A. He said he had no idea. He just woke up and he traded Von Miller, who's like Hall of Famer, out of town. That's always going to be a bit jarring as well, Aaron. Yeah, and there's going to be some of that, for sure. There's going to be those names that you're

surprised by. The NBA is a little different because they have the buyout stuff, so a lot of times the guy gets traded to one team, like, oh, he's going to be stuck playing for the Washington Wizards or whatever it might be, and then boom, bought out, then he goes to, you know, a great team like the Milwaukee Bucks

or something. Yeah, I don't know about that. Boston, chill out. Thanks for Drew. You're welcome. But I think at the deadline now you're seeing just who's going to buy and who's going to sell. You look at the contracts, you know, guys on expiring contracts,

obviously that's, you know, it's always a guy to move or, you know, a team that just says, you know what, this ain't working, we got to move on. And, you know, star player wants to go compete for a championship. You never know what can happen. Were you almost traded? I don't remember if it was when your contract was up or if you were almost traded. Was there trade discussions for you?

And did you have a no trade clause? I got traded, Pat, this offseason. That's right. That's 100% right. How about when Denver almost happened? Was it when Denver almost happened? Was it when Denver almost happened? Did you have to okay Denver? Like, how does that whole thing work?

No, there would have had to have been, you know, the Packers okaying it and compensation and all that stuff. How much are you, because you had to give the okay for the Jets, I assume, right? Yeah, I mean, I think, actually, I didn't. You know, they could have traded me to anybody. But obviously, I wanted to be in New York with the Jets. Well, that's pretty nice. Happy that happened,

because Dame, remember, in the NBA, he said, I won't go to Miami. He said, shut up. We do not care where you want to go. You're going to Milwaukee. He's pumped to be on your team, though. Let's not get crazy. Last question here, Darius. I want to win a championship. I want're going to Milwaukee. He's pumped to be on your team, though. Let's not get crazy. Last question here, Darius.

About to win a championship. About to win a championship. Got to be pumped. About to win a championship. Well, Jimmy Butler thinking, you know what I mean? Tyler, you're always about to be back better than ever. True. I mean, Miami's got a squad.

Let's not get crazy. Darius has a question for you. Miami always got a squad. But we were kind of talking about it earlier with some of these stud wide receivers. You kind of mentioned moving Devontae around. M, mentioned also Kyle Shanahan, him calling the shots. Well, calling the plays, but Brock actually calling the shots. If you're a coach for like a young quarterback specifically with like a stud-wide receiver, when you're installing these passing concepts, is it more so based off of the stud-wide receiver,

like where this guy is, let's get him the ball, and then obviously if he's not covered, we go somewhere else? Or is it more so you're reading the the coverages you're reading these triangle reads if you're a coach how you kind of uh i guess balancing that yeah that's a great question db i think i think it's a combination of a few things one you have to uh you know instill some good habits which is going through progressions uh reading things out. The other is you have to remind this person that the reason this offense can be successful and be explosive is because of A player and B player and whoever else you really have to make a concerted effort to get the ball to. I think there's ways of doing it. You move a guy around.

You put a guy in the number one spot. I believe for young quarterbacks, a lot of times, one of the easier ways of helping them get into a rhythm is to give them pure progression plays. So in the West Coast offense, there's three types of reads on plays. There's pure progression, there's progression with an option, and there's pick a side. So it basically means it's pure progression. You start with one side, you start with the number one guy,

and number two, number three, check down. Progression with an option means usually you're in a three by one formation. You have some sort of progression to the three receiver side and if you get a certain coverage, you can go up to the backside guy as well. Pick a side means a lot of times you have a route concept with a two high side and a route concept for a one high safety side. And so you've got to read the defense out and make the proper read and then throw it to the proper side. And when you're playing with young players, young quarterback especially, I think it actually behooves them and gets them into a better flow. Oh, who's that?

I got another call. To be able to give them pure progression plays where there's less having to read something out, having to read a disguise out we're just running gonna run 200 kangaroo and i'm gonna start with the slant every time and then i'm gonna work to i'm gonna check the post down the middle and then i'm gonna high level corner to the under and then i'm gonna have my back on the outlet you know just simple plays to kind of get a guy into a rhythm i think could be really good and then when you db to answer the question in that situation if you put your stud player in the number one spot,

that means that that guy is always getting the first look. So it's a great opportunity, I think, for that person to be almost force fed more targets. You never want to be the first person in sprints. Always want to be the first option, though, you know, for an offense, especially with what you just lined up there. So it's a pretty easy job, that quarterback thing, it sounds like. And anytime you start explaining what you're doing,

every single freaking play, I think we all get incredibly compelled to say, bravo to these NFL quarterbacks. Unbelievable. But also it makes a lot of sense when some of them don't pan out. Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of shit going on, especially in your world right now. I didn't know what that phone call was, Pfizer or not, to set up royalties.

They're selling a jersey. They're thinking about selling a jersey. I don't know if you know this. Boom! Mr. Pfizer, coming right up from the people at Pfizer. If you get royalties from them for that jersey and you play for the Jets, you'll be getting money from Johnson & Johnson

and Pfizer. Just something to think about. I think that is a business decision that you're going to have to make. But, boy, Mr. Pfizer, huh? Is that real? They're thinking about it. Research and development. They said R&D. R&D.

Hard times. Yep. Bingo. What's the problem? It's a good idea. They said good idea. It's mainstream good idea. They said good idea. It's brainstormed. You said it.

It's fascinating. I mean, the triggering, though. Was that not incredible last week? People getting absolutely triggered. Listen, you know, like I saw some of it uh i love i mean the johnsons have been great to me so i don't mind you call me mr johnson and johnson woody and christopher and their families they've been great i don't play for the johnson and johnson corporation i play for the new york vets so i mean i you know i made a tiny little joke about a guy shilling for potentially,

actually not potentially, but for a corruptive company, and everybody kind of loses their minds a little bit. All right, so if it was the Johnson & Johnson Jets, if they had a name change, would you play for the Johnson & Johnson Jets? Great question. Great follow-up. That's a great question. Something to think about.

We'll get your answer next week. We'll get your answer next week. Yeah, I think ESPN is going to cut this off before I start talking about... I will say, hey, I will say this. I think this is something that we should say, especially since we are still on ESPN. There's been a lot of things that have happened with this show

in our short stint here on ESPN. Mr. Fizer being one of them. They haven't said a single thing to us. Not a single thing. It's almost like out of sight, out of mind. Also, if we start reaching out about things, it's going to become every single day. So let's just save our time or whatever. They've not said a thing

to their credit or discredit, depending upon how you view it true i guess that is on you they have been pretty hands off this whole thing here you don't think there's a guy back there with a little button he's just like if he starts talking about something i'm gonna push this i'm gonna cut the feed his name's richard good he's actually the one that is uh he's muting the f word whenever it comes out on espn uh on youtube obviously we're good but that was a concession that I made. I said, hey, listen, we will not say

this because it will be on in cafes and diners, and there's a chance that the kids hear. But everything else, we got to be able to say. All right, deal. Sounds good. But Dick Good is the guy's name. He's waiting for it. Was that Luck, Truck, Suck? What was it? It's five seconds of that.

But I don't... RG3 said, And it's five seconds of that. Is it fudge? But I don't. Yeah, fudge. Fudge. RG3 said fudge. Fudge. Fudge. Fudging. Like bug.

That's what he's saying. Yeah. That's the only word he'll bleep. That's the only word he will mute. There's no other. Well, I mean. Well, there's a few. Come on, AJ.

Not that we say. Go ahead. Test it, AJ. No, I'm just curious. Like topics or words. Like, if he decides what is good or not. If there's only one word. We have a lot of room to really explore that.

Well, I don't think topics was ever really discussed. Richard Goods locked in on one word and one word alone. That's right. And we thought maybe there would be something at some point that would come up that they would send an email. And I would have to sit in a Zoom call and explain why what we said was meant to be funny. Also, kind of true. You know, but that hasn't happened at all. So we appreciate them.

But you should try to get some royalties off those jerseys if they sell. Because from what I saw in the reaction, there's a lot of people that are big Pfizer fans. I think they would buy those jerseys. That's what I saw in the reaction to you. Did you see that as well? I was kind of surprised. I'm like, Pfizer, pretty good brand. These people are loving it.

Well, there's a lot of propaganda out there, you know? A lot of propaganda out there. I mean, listen, you know, Mr. Pfizer said he didn't think he would be in a vax war with me. Oh, boy. Didn't think he'd be in a vax war with me. He didn't think he'd be in a vax war with me. This ain't a war, homie. This is just conversation. But if you want

to have some sort of duel, debate, have me on the podcast. Come on the show. Let's have a conversation. Oh! Let's do it like in John Wick 4, right? So we both have a second.

Nice. For somebody to help us out. I'm going to take my man, RFK Jr. Okay. As an independent. Hell yeah. Right? And he can have, you know, Tony Fauci or some other pharmacrat.

And we can have a conversation about this. Okay. Well, I'm happy we got that sorted thought for sure you're going with rogan but obviously dr joe rogan i apologize but rfk jr not a bad kid he's been at the forefront of this conversation on the internet i have seen currently an independent and could you imagine fachi and kelsey sitting down across from aaron and appointment television ah i know you have that 500-page report already that kind of got forgotten about in the whole thing.

Hey, Pat, why didn't you? That'd be big ratings. Yeah, and everybody would be really happy too. That's what those things really do bring. But you know what does bring me happiness? Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. It's great seeing you. Great chatting with you. Feels like you're in great spirits.

J.K. Dobbins talking shit to you is good news. And we hope the rest of the day is fantastic, pal. I'm going to go beat his ass in rehab here for the next three hours. That's what I'm talking about. And then get yourself ready for a debate. Yeah. Vaccines. Yeah.

That'd be awesome. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rogers. Yeah. What's wrong with your friend, AJ? What's wrong? You just set up a debate. Sounds like a great time, right? Let's throw some people together and debate vaccines and Pfizer and everything.

Like, what a great Friday night. Hey, to watch. Put me in that room. Yes. Well, you're going to, what's it called? What's the? Moderator. Moderator.

Thank you. Oh, yeah. Do you know how mad society would be? You and AJ, moderator. If I was the one moderating that entire thing. Society would be so mad if I was in there I just want to be a fly on the wall just kind of watching it all go down because I will say for those that don't know if you're living on one side of the fence the other side is just as passionate as you are about the complete opposite of what you're saying

and I don't know politics that well but I do see my mentions whenever the politics get dropped into it. And buddy, these people are never going to see eye to eye with these people. And I don't think any of these people understand how these people feel this way at all. So until death, they are going to hate these people. And until death, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. They're doing this. That's why we try to stay out of it. But boy, Aaron loves getting in there.

Yes, he does. he loves getting right last year or uh 2020 with the whole i'm immunized situation so he was actually getting buried from both sides at one yeah it was tough from the entire globe and in doing so obviously the tank top doofus who's also on the screen while this is all happening getting getting murdered. I'm like, who would ever want to dabble in this world? Never. But it seems like we found at least four guys that want to dabble in it and do their thing.

Travis Kelsey, I think he's just like, man, what are you? What happened? It was a flu shot. What are you doing? A flu shot. Trying to help. Are they going to ask him, hey, so are you going to call Fouch

and try to debate Aaron Rodgers? Like, is that going to be his post-practice presser? Travis is like, they're taking pictures of me smoking on my way to work. Yeah, right. Okay, in the morning right now. What's going on? I got Aaron Rodgers wanting to debate me and Fouchy,

you know, because of the Mr. Fizer situation. And then he's still got to go on and battle a low ankle sprain and still become the greatest of all time in the middle of a Super Bowl run. Short week. Good luck to all parties. Yeah. Luck to all parties out there.

Travis smoking cigs all the way to work? Yeah, he's just smoking a cig, I think. That's awesome. Yeah, that's what makes him gritty. Backwoods, I think. Yeah, I think he rolled a tobacco cigarette. A little cigarette. It was not cig a weed, which a lot of people were saying.

He wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. Taylor wouldn't approve. I actually heard he rolled up Zins, and he was smoking Zins. Oh, it's nicotine. So it's not even. That's actually a new trend on the top. It wasn't even tobacco.

It was just nicotine. Like crack. His whole life's being tracked right now. The things you do for love. That's right. The things we do for love. Honestly. Show's over. Right there. That show is do for love. That's right. The things we do for love. Honestly, show's over. Right there.

That show is over. Nice. Nailed it. The show's still on. Show's over. Okay. That's a good way to wrap it. I don't know if the show's over. He said he was still getting counted down. I see commercial right here in front of me. I had a new guy in my ear there at the end there.

Oh, nice. We enjoy that. ESPN people have to hate us. Like Randy, what's his name? Scott. Randy Scott was not happy about Mr. Pfizer getting brought up on our particular program. No, he's not going to be happy about that either. Yeah, he called for a debate. Randy's not going to be happy. I think I heard another anchor

potentially say, you know, kind of take a shot at us taking up TV time pretty much at the network and everything like that. Hey, Randy, just read the prompter, okay? Jeez, there's no reason to say that. That is Nick Moraldo. Can you please put the open back up on the screen right now? Not with Lou

Holtz's voice, but just the intro thing. So, Randy, what needs to be reminded here, this runs, the opinions expressed on this show do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of their peers. That would be the boys here in this situation. Their boss, that would be me, or ESPN. So what Nick just said is not how I feel, Randy.

Right. That is clearly stated. That is clearly stated. Yes. But Nick does feel that way. He does. And that's a shame. So, Randy, maybe you and Nick sit down.

No thanks. At a table. Have a debate with a friend. He'll have our... It was nice to find out that Aaron's a registered independent like me and Connor are. Yeah. Amen.

That makes sense. I'm sure that's not a part of the whole hatred thing. Right. He does lean into it though. He loves it. Might as well. I think it feeds his Achilles. I think it heals him. So instead of the dolphins for stronger fornicating it's actually let's go stir some shit up yeah this vats crowd because remember in his eyes he was yeah heavily chastised public enemy number one

for the whole thing he was the face of people that are not getting vaccinated even though the whole world was saying hey we get vaccinated we can all get back to life so he was getting slaughtered like in his world he was getting slaughtered not like he wasn't injured he wasn't you know what i mean he's like nothing that serious but he feels as if you know i assume next 10, 15, because we told him, like, nobody's really talking about vaccines right now. And he's like, oh, is that right? Well, nobody was really getting talked to

the way I was getting talked to about vaccines a couple years ago. I think is what went through his mind. Not 100% sure. AJ, you know a little bit closer. I don't know if this one's just going to go quietly into the night with this entire thing with what he experienced. Nothing's going quietly into the night. I don't know if this one's just going to go quietly into the night with this entire thing with what he experienced. Nothing's going quietly into the night.

I mean, yeah, you saw him even at the end when J.K. pops in there. He throws a dig. J.K. is like, yeah, good job. You're almost walking. He says to him, I don't know if you could hear him, but he said that as J.K. was leaving. You're almost walking. Like, okay, I'm way ahead of you is what he's trying to tell him.

And then he finished it with, I'm going to go beat the shit out of J.K. Dobbins in rehab or whatever. How about in the middle of real answer about nathaniel hackett going back to broncos you're jk dobbins in the back getting hyped and making noise it's hard not to laugh because this is an answer a lot of people are going to want to hear oh yeah and at that exact moment jk dobbins was doing something that was awesome right on the other side of the wall and couldn't contain himself it's that type of energy and juice though that you need whenever you're getting back to health

because that is not a fun process at all. And it's great to be doing it with somebody else, just like working out in the offseason. It's good to have somebody else there pick you up the days you aren't up. And then, I mean, what other show do you get a little live insight on some guys rehabbing? Yeah. Two stars, NFL stars.

That's something that's completely off the list. Don't ask those questions. Okay? That just makes too much sense. But our show's too dumb, and we have no cooth. And this show is now going to be, as said on this show, Aaron Rodgers, RFK Jr., Travis Kelsey, Tony Fudge. Tony Fudge.

Lock it in. Leading CNN tonight. Good memes. What a joke. Let's get to a break. We always find ourselves in the middle of everything. It's awesome. That's one way to look at it.

That is how I will always look at it. I love that. Shirt today is really cool, though. Thank you. I appreciate that. What is it? A couple wolves in front of a red moon. Wolves are awesome.

Yeah. Hello, beautiful people welcome back to our humble abode the thunderdome on this aaron rogers tuesday october 10 2023 hour three this program starts now football we almost replaced it for, but we've been doing pretty well with football being chanted immediately upon the beat dropping. Football is the topic every single day because football never stops. Speaking of football, this man won it in college, won it in the pros, is the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, and the current president of Ohio is A.J. Hogg.

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That was just yesterday. All he wanted was one thing. Remember, he said, actually, for my birthday, all I want is for A.J. to say it for me. And you said, nah, I ain't doing it. I appreciate that. I appreciate you saying, hey, I ain't doing it. I appreciate that. I appreciate you saying, hey, life ain't easy, kid. Is that what you said? I don't know.

Just in the moment, I didn't feel like saying it. That's about it. You don't get everything you want, even at the age of 30, even after scoring three touchdowns on Sunday night football. AJ is always teaching people lessons in making us better. That's why you're the president of Ohio, AJ. Thank you, AJ. The Talks at the Table is here at Boss of Corner and at Ty Schmidt.

Nine-year NFL vet. Host of the Man to Man podcast and Everything DB, which will be coming up later in this hour. Darius J. Butler is here. Also, one half of the Hammer. Don. Cowboys turn digs is here. Hammer. Don.

Hammer is a gambling show that is live out of this office every single Monday through Friday. They go through all the bets that they think are good and they think are bad. They've been running now for multiple years, and the boys actually have a higher hit rate than lose rate, which is incredibly impossible in the entire sphere of gambling, but more specifically sports gambling. So the boys have been crushing it. And right now, Tone, five weeks into the NFL season,

we have some trends that we need to be looking at whenever we're putting our hard-earned dollars on something football-related. Tone, what do we know and where should we be looking? The most fun stat that I saw today on the Twitterverse and around the Internet when I was looking up these, this is the best start for the public since 2005. Hey, let's go, us! Wow. Let's go, us. Let's go, us. So 44, 27, and 3 is the public, and that is basically they just looked at

if the public was on more than 50% of the whatever side, 44, 27, and 3. There's some teams you should not be gambling on. That would be the Giants who are 0-5 ATS, the Panthers who are 0-4-1 ATS, and the Broncos who are 0-4-1 ATS. And I think a big reason why the public is doing so well, Niners are 4-1 ATS. The Panthers are 0-4 and 1 ATS and the Broncos who are 0-4 and 1 ATS. And I think a big reason why the public is doing so well. Niners are 4-1 ATS.

Dolphins are 4-1 ATS. Eagles are 4-1 ATS. And the Lions are 4-1 ATS. Those are all preseason teams that people liked so they came out and covered. That's why people are winning. Favorites are 37-34 and 5. Road teams are 39-32 and 5. A little edge there. And then theites are 37, 34, and 5. Road teams are 39, 32, and 5.

Oh, a little edge there. And then the unders are 44 and 34. And those are all against the spread there for the 39 and everything like that. Love that. Did we learn anything right there, AJ? People are going on the road better than they ever have in the past. And also, the darlings of the NFL media and the NFL fan base have performed very well as opposed to just getting by early.

I love that the people are winning, AJ. I do. Now, it makes me worry, though, for do all the books start to change how they're going to make the lines now? I would assume they adjust to try to get ahead again, right? I think it comes down to a lot. What was that? Last week we looked it up as far as margin of victory goes,

and this is the largest it's been in a few years or whatever. So all these big favorites are also covering like the dolphins last week were were 11 or 12 and a half and covered the lines were tanning and covered when big favorites cover the public normally does well darius you're putting bets together for people right how are you doing this uh not so good okay one in four one in four one in four buddy we've been there yeah not easy not at all not easy at all. Not easy at all. We pivot away from betting trends in the NFL that will hopefully make us better and smarter gamblers.

We appreciate you, Tony. Thank you, Tony. And let's go to a man who I believe, after you read his book, will inspire you to go do the damn thing. At the age of 21, this guy was selling jerseys out of the trunk of his car. At the age of 21, this guy was selling jerseys out of the trunk of his car. Now, he owns an agency that has negotiated over $4 billion in contracts. Fucking dog.

Went from playing dice to navigating the entire NBA and the NFL. The author of Lucky Me, a memoir of changing the odds, which is available right meow. Ladies and gentlemen, Rich Paul. Thank you, guys. Pat, what's up? How you guys doing? Hey, fantastic. Thank you for joining us. I know you've been on a lot of runs here. You've been talking to a lot of people.

We appreciate you taking time to come chat with some dumbasses. Yep. There's only one Pat McAfee, though, so it's all good. Hey, that's too many, some people think, but the fact that this got you on the show, I'm very grateful for that. Let's dive in. I read up on you a lot. Now, I don't think I've known the full backstory about you. I've known that you've existed, though, and been dominating, if that makes sense.

So as I was looking into this to kind of talk to you about your book, you're hey, you might be the greatest hustler in the history of America. you might be the greatest hustler in the history of America from dice in selling jerseys to now being a guy who owns an agency with over $4 billion in negotiated contracts only at the age of 41. Do you see yourself that way? Do you think because you are a hardworking hustler that you're able to navigate everything? How have you made it all look so easy seemingly from the outside looking in through this whole process? Yeah, well, you know, looks can be deceiving for sure. But no, just through hard work. I think, you know, when you read the book, some of the things you read in there is what shaped me.

And we didn't have time to celebrate wins, per se. We didn't have time to be complacent. You had to make a way. It wasn't a plan. I didn't have an estate or anything like that or trust. I had to make a way. It wasn't a plan. I didn't have an estate or anything like that or trust. I had to make a way. And so in this position I'm in today, it's the same mentality. You know, it's no complacency, definitely an ultimate hustler, but there's some great ultimate hustlers out there as well. And so I just want to continue down that path. But more importantly, I wrote the book to give that insight, to give that to share those experiences with people that may feel as if there may have to have a certain degree to be successful and so

um hopefully as as people read the book they take they take that with them go ahead aj what about now i know early on you said you didn't have time to celebrate wins or anything like that are you able to look around every once in a while and realize like well it's a pretty cool thing that i have built around me and that you're continuing to grind every day? I beat the game. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, but not in a celebratory way. You know, I celebrate the growth of other people within my company as well. You know, I started the company.

It was just myself and a young lady named Farrah Leff. And we played every role. We played. We were communication. We were marketing. We were client services. And then to see some of the people that started with us in that office today have their own clients. And I don't have to call and triple, double and triple check about things being done the right way. They've taken the bull by the horns. So that growth is something I'm extremely excited about. But yeah, I do look around AJ.

I'm appreciative for sure sure i'm thankful for sure and obviously growing up with a dad like i had in my community i was lucky to have that the good and the bad of it because you need all of it to be complete to be whole and so yeah and obviously um a big football fan so you know i played every sport, thought I was going to be a state champion. I mean, I'm sorry, NFL or NBA player. I wasn't, but I was a state champion. I won the first. I won the last state championship in St. John's Arena and the first in the shot.

Hey, is that good? I don't know. You tell me. That's great. Yeah, no, yeah, I agree. Yeah, I'm talking for you. I'm talking for you there. Yeah, 100%. Which sports? That, 100%. Which sports did you play?

In basketball. I went to a school called Cleveland Benedictine. But I'm from an area called Glenville that produced, say again, Junior Dante Wittner, Marshawn Lattimore, Troy Smith, Pierre Woods, Frank Clark, you know, Hardy. That's on the Jets. The list goes on and on and on. So I come from that richness of sports for sure.

Well, let's talk about you cracking into the sports world. I mean, or the football world. You have Jalen Hurts, Jude On, Miles Garrett. Who else? Quinnen Williams. Yes. Quinnen Williams, Quincy Williams, Reese Hall, Bryce Hall, Jermaine Johnson,

Chase Young. Rich. Rich, Jermaine Johnson, Chase Young. Rich. Yeah. Rich, those aren't just nobodies. And obviously you run the entire. Devontae Smith. No, those are real guys. Our rookies this year, Brian Branch, Bijan Robinson, Will Anderson,

you know, to name a few. Yeah, we just getting started, though. But I have great agents on the football side who they're doing their thing. Yeah, I'd say. But also, you run the NBA. Every offseason in the NBA, it's like, all right, what's Clutch doing? Clutch is running the NBA. Then for you to come into the NFL and just do the exact same thing,

why do you think you guys are having so much success so quickly in the NFL and then also across the board? Obviously, in the NBA, being associated with LeBron is a good thing. Like, I think we would all recognize that. But your business sense is much more than just being in the vicinity of LeBron James. Why do you think you've been able to kind of crack this agency game as opposed to maybe another business? I think because I think athletes always look for what we have to offer,

but it just wasn't available to them. You know, and we all know, I mean, AJ, you went through the process and hiring an agent and things like that. Yours was probably a little bit different what you was looking for. But what we when I started the company, what I saw in the space was there wasn't anything. There wasn't a brand that was our brand is culturally recognized today and globally recognized today. There wasn't agents that had the capability of not just focusing on negotiating the deal and the transaction, but also developing the player and the person within. And so I wanted to build something that really focused on that i think basketball was craving for it then

and now football is starting to crave for it because you know if you if you go to these certain schools they're not these guys don't know that i can sign with another agent they think oh i can only sign with the agent that represents my coach and the coach puts them in the room early and they meet the parents and this is this whole game that they've been playing for a long time. We're coming to disrupt that for sure. I think it's working. I would say it's worth it, which is why I have so much respect for what you've built

because anybody that can blaze a new trail, disrupt an old school narrative and do it differently than anybody's ever done it before is certainly a reason to read a damn book, I would say. Ty has a question about some of those paths, though. Yeah, speaking of disrupting that, Rich, you mentioned how you want to show people

that you don't necessarily need a degree to be successful. And obviously with the Rich Paul rule that the NCAA tried to institute a couple years ago, with basically making it so that you had to have a degree in order to talk to some of these players and all that kind of stuff. And I think since then, they've kind of backed away on that because you basically said like, hey, this is bullshit. That's not how we're doing things. But are you still kind of getting some of that pushback from other agents because you didn't come up the traditional way? Or is it now the type of thing where it's like, hey, we're here. So it really doesn't matter how you think of how we got here?

Yeah, it's different. You definitely get the pushback, but it's in different form now. You saw the anonymous poll that came out on Hoops Hype. If you look at Hoops Hype, sometimes they let the other agents double dip clients to be further up the ladder and things like that. But then you also have the, oh, he's going to own a team with LeBron or every day is something new. But I also find it as a, you know, some some in some in a weird way. It's a respect that they have to to give you when you do the work.

You know, we don't really talk about it. We just do the work and let the work speak for itself. And so I come from that. My father instilled that in me. He got up and opened a store every day at 6 in the morning, rain, sleep, hell or snow. You know, in Cleveland, we can have some cold winters. And so I don't think, I think that's part of the industry, though. I don't respect a lot of the agents in our industry just because of some of the things they do and how they do it.

Because I come from a place where you do certain things, there's a consequence that comes behind it. They don't really come from that. They come from a place where they can go into a family living room and talk about you as if they actually know you because they're trying to get the client and say any and everything and just make up lies but then when they see you they speak that don't work where i'm from you know we don't really we don't yeah but it's not personal it's business remember that's what they always try to say whenever that type of stuff happens it's not personal it's just business like well you made it pretty personal just just would like to let you know that you've made it pretty personal in this entire thing and talking about personal you and lebron have been tight for a long time

and you alluded to it there well people are saying i'm not going to be in the aging game long because i'm going to go own a team obviously you have to think about that being a potential reality right because there's only so many owners in professional sports have you thought about no i don't i don't want to own a team that that'll hinder me. You know, I plan on diversifying my portfolio and, you know, attaching different verticals of the business. I don't have enough money to own a team, so let's just start there. You know, I don't do any faking or fronting. But ultimately, if LeBron wants to own a team, great.

Maybe he'll listen to me in terms of how to build a roster the right way. Yeah. AJ, go ahead, Bob. Can you explain the differences between representing, say, a football player in the NFL and an NBA player? I know from being a football player, we feel like NBA players, there's obviously fewer of them, and the stars kind of drive the ship. They run the show, and they have much more power, I feel like,

at times than football players. Well, I don't know if it's – see, the whole player empowerment thing, AJ, is a little misleading. What I tried to lead with is from an education perspective. I led with educating the guys on the business more so than anything and understanding you do have options, you do have flexibility, you don't only have to do it a specific way. I think what gives the most power is the guaranteed contracts. And you're starting

to see more in the NFL. And I would love to see most contracts be guaranteed in the NFL, basically the risks that you get, especially with the risks you guys take and things of that nature. But the difference is there's less ego on the NFL side because you're one of 53. And as you know, it's 11 men on each side of the ball. The quarterback obviously is going to always get the credit, but they always get the blame as well.

And then, you know, the defense, you have to depend on each other a lot more. And there's very few people playing both sides of the ball. You know, Travis is doing it in college. Dion did it you know deon played two sports some people did it i forgot who else did it play both sides of the ball man played both sides of the ball a little

bit yeah so but it's it's just a different perspective and here's the other thing there's no aau in football right aau creates a ton of bad habits for our kids so by the time they get to become professionals they've only dealt with people that did what that really pretty much put this this um um this yes man mentality around them and it just they all they did was feed their ego, feed their ego, feed their ego. So by the time they become pros, it's about me and only me. So now you have to help them tear that wall, if they're willing, tear that wall down. You still have to have ego within the house,

but it's not the foundation of the house, if that makes sense. Oh, hey, that was a bar right there. Oh, yeah. I assume that's in the foundation of the house if that makes sense oh hey that was a bar right there oh yeah i assume that's in i got bars pat what's going on with all this pittsburgh you i mean i i talked to tom warner this morning i know he's in in in pittsburgh now because it's open of the nhl season yeah but then i saw pittsburgh stiller uh helming on somebody else's death. I love Mike Tomlin. That's my guy. My uncle was married to my aunt. Bill Johnson back in the day played for the Steelers for Michigan State. Okay.

But I'm a Browns fan. I think you guys know that. Yeah. So I was just checking to make sure. Yeah, and Cleveland State. So, you know, from Pittsburgh, we said Cleveland State. You said, oh, it's cold in the winter. I said, blah.

We know. It's such a similar city. Hey, Pittsburgh. Give us the break, Pat. Yeah, we said Cleveland's thick. You said, oh, it's cold in the winter. I said, blah. We know. It's such a similar city. Hey, Pittsburgh. It was the break, Pat. Yeah, I understand. I understand. Pittsburgh and Cleveland, though, like so similar. So, so similar.

And then since birth, hate each other. Love it. It's like a beautiful thing. They don't have that much anymore. I wish it would happen more often, actually. Con man. I rock with Pittsburgh, though. I rock with Pittsburgh. Hey, I rock with Cleveland, too. Hey, Cleveland, super windy. often, actually. I rock with Pittsburgh, though. I rock with Pittsburgh.

Hey, I rock with Cleveland, too. Hey, Cleveland, super windy. Jeez Louise, let's slow it down. But that Jack's Casino downtown, it's like four floors. Winners walking out of there. You know, a lot of winners walking out of the Pittsburgh Casino. The Cleveland Casino, a lot of smiles coming out of Jack's Casino. You don't see that in Pittsburgh.

They got the game cooked. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Rich, a big part of the NBA contracts are kind of like the escalators in the max contracts based off of, you know, all pro NBA and some of those type of awards, MVP and stuff. And years of service as well. Yeah, yeah, bingo. And now that they have changed the rules for, you know,

you have to play 65 games minimum to qualify for, you know, those type of awards. Does that change NBA contracts at all? Because obviously if it affects the supermax, it's going to affect how much money guys are making. So do contracts in the NBA now have to have different type of standards to hit? Like maybe if it was 65 for the award, maybe a super max contract would only be 60 or 55 games. Is that happening right now or no? No, I don't think they'll go that far. I mean, look, even before this whole ordeal, you had the fact that some people voted for all NBA, which affected the escalator as well. And so that wasn't ideal as well because you had people voting that a lot of players

probably thought shouldn't have a vote. But what I think it'll do is I think, you know, the league is trying to protect the integrity of the game and stop stars from sitting out so much. It's tough. I don't think guys want to sit out.

I think teams try to protect the players from themselves. It's a. I don't think guys want to sit out. I think teams try to protect the players from themselves. It's a lot of data being done and analytics being done on just the body and injury. And so, you know, teams have more insight now than ever before. But I also think teams practice less now than ever before. So there's a you know we practice you gotta practice for your body to get used to that wear and tear um but also there's too much basketball being played by our youth and so what people don't understand is yeah a player may get injured in year four year three or whatever five but they play so much basketball. There's so much AAU and it's all chasing these rankings, but the rankings really don't necessarily matter. And that's been proven over and over and over again.

If you have the talent, they're going to find you. And so there's been a lot of players go top 20 from smaller schools. And now guys are starting not to pick the blue blood schools. They're going to wherever is going to put them in the best position. So I don't think it'll necessarily – they won't lower it for that. I do think for the guys that now care about that stuff, the guys that's made $400, $500, $600 a minute, they're not going to – if they sit out, they're going to sit out.

They're not caring about making all NBA and things like that. For the younger guys, they'll care more about it because they haven't really made their money yet. Hey, whenever they're making those rule changes, it feels like the NBA has a better relationship with the players. And obviously you and LeBron started this whole thing together. How much are you asked about whenever they're changing these types of things? How much are you a part of the NBPA and conversations and pitching and finding the place that we're at right now with the NBA. There's a small group of us at the NBA and the NBPA. You know,

they may ask your opinion. I don't know if they, they necessarily care until I don't want to, I don't want to fake like it's this whole power thing. But if you're coming from a place of, you know, it's real insightful and and they in the intel they they really value it i'm asked about a lot of things from both sides from the league and from the union and but i handle and handle it in a respectful way but it's a small

group of us that's been around for a while yeah you're on the nba we know yeah that's exactly what i said i just need to be more involved on a lot of the decisions, especially from the union side. And we talk a lot about that. But both the union and the league does spend a lot more time in a very informative way to get insight and opinions. Yeah, it feels like they have a better relationship than the NFL and the NFL people for sure.

But they should be taking your opinions and ideas. You're working with half the league, it feels like at this point better relationship than the NFL and the NFL people for sure, but they should be taking your opinions and ideas. You're working with half the league, it feels like at this point. Darius has a question for you, Rich. Yeah, with you being pretty much synonymous with the NBA when it comes to agent, just like Scott Boris and the MLB, you talked about diversifying your portfolio. Yeah, he's still doing

I think like 70. How long do you see yourself doing the agent thing? I would assume not that long. And then I got to ask you a basketball question too. I think you mentioned it. How long do you see yourself doing the age? I think I would assume not that long. And then I got to ask you a basketball question, too. I think you mentioned it on maybe Gil's show about LeBron. He was, you know, first player to have kind of a 24-7 news cycle. Who carries the lead kind of, you know, once he's out of it? Pretty, you know, a few years here, I would assume.

Five, 10 years, 11 years. Well, okay, so to answer your your first question as long as my heart still in it i love it i love teaching i love seeing guys develop and we look as a company we've grown i mean we don't announce everything but we represent the teams now we just did the utah jazz patch deal be prior to them we did the we did the uh chicago bulls Bulls, going to media rights, naming rights, all that type of stuff. We have our WNBA side. And every day I get up, as well as being an agent, I'm looking at buying businesses, adding different agents as well to continue to build out our group. So that is part of my…

Hey, you're fucking awesome, Rich. Rich, you're awesome. …CEO hat and my UTA sports co-head hat. And then as far as just the 24-7 news cycle approach and who's going to be the face when LeBron is no longer playing, I think it'll be a balanced attack. But probably led by if Steph is still around and still wants to play. I mean,

he's a great, a great example for our league, but I think it's a balanced attack because you could, you can be great in different ways. Like Raymond is great in different ways. He may not have the points, but he represents the league in a different way. But I think it'd be across the board.

We've got some great young talent across the board. You see what JT is in, in, in, in boston darius garland in cleveland you know trey into john tain atlanta tyrese maxi and and billy dearon fox had took has taken the kings they're no longer just a win on your schedule anymore you know when you look at that um i think guys like fred van flea to help turn turn around the the um the rockets in their culture and so when you look at that, I think guys like Fred Van Fleet, they help turn around the Rockets and their culture. And so when you just look at the balance throughout our league, there's a lot of things taking place. The league is in a good place. We've got Wimby came this year.

Chad Holmgren is now back healthy on OKC. And they got a good team. And so I just love the game of basketball. You'll see guys move around as well. We don't know what's going to happen in a place like Chicago. Do they keep their team together with both Zach and DeMar DeRozan or what happens there depending on how they probably get off to start the season. So what the Bucs have done, it's just an exciting time,

and that's why I'm doing all this media now so I can get – I got to go back out for the next two weeks when the first of the season starts. I like to go to games and sit there and critique my guys. I know the game of basketball and football. I love it. So it's not – I'm not a stat sheet agent. I don't just look at the highlights and text a client and be like,

you crushed tonight. I know if you came off that screen the wrong way or if you let a guy look go left and his dominant um um hand is left and if you you know i don't help line or ball line you're just stuck in no man's land you get beat back door like i know the game so uh i enjoy it hell yeah i'm sure they enjoy that as well oh this guy's gonna get me paid get me to a place I want to be at. And also let me know why I might not get paid. That's a good thing. People need more of that in their life. Speaking of in your life. So let's just say you're at the house, you know, and I don't want to talk too much personal stuff,

but your personal relationship has been pretty public. Let's say you're at the house, you know, you're having a little dinner. What do you have? What do we, what type of food? Do you want a certain diet or anything? Not a diet. I'm back in the gym now. You look good. I've been benching pretty heavy.

Thank you. I do a lot of core work. Not really diet. I try to eat as clean as I possibly can. Okay, so we got some grilled chicken. We got some rice, maybe. Brown rice. Some broccoli out there.

Are we having a wine? Because LeBron took a picture of his suite in the Orlando thing, and it was like 700 bottles of wine. I don't know how his liver survives, but are you a wine guy? I have a great wine collection, but I'm not the biggest wine guy. I'll definitely have a glass of Lobos, though, yeah. Okay, Lobos. We got some chicken.

We smoke a cigar. We got a cigar, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette weed. No, I don't. Noos though, yeah. Okay, Lobos, we got some chicken, we smoked a cigar, we got a cigar, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette, maybe a cigarette,

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Book is as much as about you guys as it about me Do you think 22 rules though too much you think no no? They're not those type of rules there. Those are like that's like the seasoning on the chicken. I'm just I'm just seasoning Those are like, that's like the seasoning on the chicken. I'm just seasoning the food. Yeah, it's not like you better do this, this, or this. No, it's not like that. Okay, you need the seasoning too.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, AJ doesn't eat it. That guy has no seasoning at all. Gross. You take a piece of cardboard, you put it in the right oven, right temperature, he would eat it. But all of us need the seasoning. But look at AJ, though. AJ's ripped up.

You know, if I could, I don't want to be as big as AJ. I could get a few tips from AJ just on the core. I don't want my arms too big, AJ, because I wear a lot of expensive... Well, I kind of mix it. Your arms never get too big. Your arms will never be too big. Yeah, your arms will look good in that

shirt if it was too tight. I know all your stuff is custom. You got tons of money. You got custom clothes cut to you. I got to send you guys some clutch athletics. We're into Dick's Sporting Goods in Pittsburgh, Pat. We're on NewBalance.com. We're in Foot Locker. We're in DTLR.

We're in Snipes. We're in JD Sports. So you don't know about that. That's totally separate from the representation business. It's a sports performance brand with style and functionality. We're headed back into the communities. I'm really passionate about that as well. We're partnering with New Balance. New Balance does all our manufacturing distributions. We're co-branded. I'm going to send you guys some product for sure. Hell yeah, we'd love that.

We just announced Will Anderson. This is just just us kind of like the appetizer. Now you'll get our first real season that we've built out, and so it's great. All this from being a dice player, huh? That's what I heard. I'm hustling, man. Yeah, all this from just my dad taught me how to shoot dice when I was eight years old, just in case I ever got laid off. He told me these were the tools that would get me between me being laid off and my next job. And so he taught me how to shoot dice and he taught me how to play cards. And my stage was when we would go to the family reunions, we would all be gambling.

And then my dad would say, OK, it's on you. And then I would have to, you know, win, lose or draw. That's how I learned. And so like Steph practices jump shot. I practiced my dive shot when I was a kid. And then obviously in the neighborhood, that's what we did. Pitch horses. Everything we did, whether it was race, play football, play basketball, horseshoes, et cetera. If there was a disagreement, the next word was bet. horseshoes etc if there was a disagreement the next word was bet so bowling ping pong flipping quarters flipping dollars pistol break everything was about a bet for me everything well you bet on yourself throughout your entire life it sounds like and you being a fader at the age

of eight in one of those circles is a hilarious thing to think about and we appreciate you keep going all right thank you guys i appreciate you. Keep going, all right? Thank you, guys. I appreciate you having me on. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, author, agency owner, clothing line founder. What else? You got a restaurant? We got any restaurants yet? Is that next? Father. Father? No.

Father, yeah. Singer, we learned. Singer, yes. Yes. You need to get a collab. I do it all, man. I'll come on the Pat McAfee show and just hang out and do whatever you guys need me to do. I'm just a team player. We would be lucky for that.

Ladies and gentlemen, Rich Paul. Thank you, pal. Hey, Rich! At the age of 10, fading in the Cleveland streets. That would be hilarious. Who's fading? Me! Looking for a fader, not a friend.

Yeah, that would be a hilarious situation. Hustler just taking over the whole world. Dog. What a dream, dude. Yeah. Honestly. Good for him. Here are the guys he mentioned from Glenville.

From Glenville, Ohio, by Cleveland, Ted Ginn Sr., the coach. I mean, it's been a pipeline of talent for years. So, Wittner from there, he's the one who said the other day, Dak sucks. Just said it on Sunday. I played with Dante. He almost killed me a few times because he was such a missile. I love that guy. Dante Hittner

is what they called him. Anything that we haven't chatted about, the Bills are signing Josh Norman back. It's a big corner. Congrats to Lake Norman back in the league. What's everybody pumped about? Everybody's pumped up about this? Yeah, for sure.

I thought he retired, to be honest. We all did. Obviously, they're thinking about something. Dable and the Giants are optimistic about Daniel Jones' neck injury. That's big. That's good news. Anytime you hear a neck injury, there is a lot of different levels of worry,

for sure. This one said they're optimistic about Daniel Jones and his neck injury. This week, he's moving in the right direction. That's good. Better than moving in the wrong direction with a neck. Yep. Saw him on Up and Adams this morning. They had his actual neck cut off.

They did. From the screen. So we're trying to see if there was anything on there. We couldn't tell. But he did look like he was in good spirits and made a regular appearance. So that means it can't be that bad. Right. He didn't move his head at all.

So he might have been in a net. They might have told him, like, hey, looking good for Sunday. You can't move your head the entire week. Good appearance, though. I think it was a good appearance. And any time you're doing that type of stuff, you don't have that much worry, I would say. You know, like those aren't the things that are. And he did look like 10 digs you slapped on his neck wrong that one day. Oh, don't have that much worry, I would say. Yeah. You know, like those aren't the things that are. And he did look like Tone Diggs who slept on his neck wrong that one day.

Yeah. Oh, no, he fell down the stairs at 5 a.m. Oh, there it is. I've recovered. Congratulations. Thank you. This guy's not recovered. Banker's hours, huh?

Well, this is what he's talking about. We have a guy come on here and go, you know what? Me and RFK Jr. against Fauci and Travis Kelsey. And then all of a sudden that starts happening. Of course. Throttle. It's because they need him. Throttle.

It did happen last Tuesday, I believe, too. We're currently calling him. You hear us trying to get him back. This show will not continue until AJ Hawks is back on the show. Okay. A lot of respect. I'm back. Okay.

Nice. Thank you, AJ. Someone's throttling it. Someone's throttling my connection. You know that. Yeah, we had the same conversation while you weren't here. Every Tuesday after Aaron says something. We're all on the same page.

Final story here that I think we have to cover before everything DB to wrap up this glorious Aaron Rodgers Tuesday with the NHL puck dropping this evening, which we can't wait for. Mark Davis had a hell of a night in Las Vegas. Wait for Mark Davis had a hell of a night in Las Vegas. So where they put these suites in these new stadiums for these owners, I guess is in direct eye view of every human on earth. There was video of him last night, obviously on the cast of him not being happy about what the Raiders were doing. He's just sitting in his suite. Like this son of a bitch.

He starts lifting a cup holder of the seat up and out of this whole thing. What are you doing? He's motherfuckers. Son of a God. I'm'm on tv and then he stopped he was also found at a slot machine in las vegas throughout the evening as well we don't know if the raiders won and he won on the slots but we do know he had to pass some time and he said boy let me get in some winnings. I appreciate the fact that Mark Davis is a normal human. I appreciate that Mark Davis exists, and I appreciate the fact that the Raiders have got a big-time win

from Mark Davis last night in his time in Las Vegas, AJ. Yeah, the game was not exactly a barn burner. It wasn't a shootout that we were hoping to see, but, I mean, what a pick at the end by Robertson, by the way. I know Jordan Love had to step up, so he didn't see him early when he threw his hand up, so he had to throw. But, I mean, what a pick at the end by Robertson, by the way. I know Jordan Love had to step up, so he didn't see him early when he threw his hand up. So he had to throw it a little bit late. But, man, when Robertson turns the jump, he elevates.

He's up, and then he rises even more once he's in the air. Like, that's what's crazy. Like, what an absolute – what a play. He's like a Harrier bomber, for those that don't know. That thing takes off straight up in the air like a helicopter, and then it flies. That's what he looked like as he was floating in the fourth quarter of a must-have-it situation i don't know how tired you are there especially a corner with how much you've run all game but

whenever you need a 40 inch vertical in the float and catch one on your fucking shoulder like it's a speaker what an insane play there's people saying not a good ball not a good ball maybe throw it a little longer. But can we just talk about the play that was made on the other side of this thing? It was phenomenal. Good in coverage. He was beat for a second. Gets back in coverage.

Sees Christian's eyes probably get big if I had to guess what he did. Turns his head, finds ball, takes off, makes play. All in a matter of a second and a half. It's like that was a freak show situation d bud great great play to end the game like you said it's all it always works in tandem when you're in coverage because he was beat early and if jordan love can sit in that pocket and just throw it on time we've seen him he can make that throw uh 10 out of 10 times but once you kind of got to get out of the pocket put it in your left hand step up throw it throw off that timing and obviously

corners love that and then go up and play that ball third don still had a timeout left that's my big thing everybody's talking about his throw i'm like i'm not worried about the throw that was a hell of a play that should have at least been deflected and just lived to see another day but also don't need it right there you know i mean we still got time literally we still got another play we still got time and we have a timeout it's like those are the types of things, I think, as you play more ball, start to come to fruition, I think. And it also doesn't show up, you know, in any stats. But, I mean, that's Max Crosby, again, just affecting the game.

If he's not coming around the corner like that, that is a touchdown because Jordan Love doesn't have to move and reset and do all that. So Crosby was ridiculous. What a weapon for the DBs to have. You talk about having Max. They're supposed to have – I don't want to keep harping on it, but it's like supposed to have Chandler Jones, too. Oh, yeah. Tyree Wilson is supposed to be a guy.

Yeah. People forget he got taken seven. Yeah, he's not. Unfortunately. But we do know Chandler on the football field is a guy. Oh, yes. And it's like he's supposed to. Imagine what Max would, I mean. I mean, they could have taken Jalen Carter. Like, let's be serious here. If they had Jalen Carter on the inside and Max Crosby on the outside.

And? And Chandler Jones on the other side, that'd be the best. That's a whole different fucking season. Maybe slide Bubby down to the edge. Yeah. Bob's point's got that C. And he's got the green dot. Exactly.

He's right where he should be. What a come up for Bob. He's awesome. Hey, what's your job for the Pittsburgh Steelers? I'm the grunt. I run my face in the pitch. Hey, what are you doing for the Pittsburgh Steelers? I'm the grunt. I run my face in the pitch. Hey, what are you doing for the Raiders? I'm the captain.

I'm the starter. And I get two picks on prime time. Yeah. Good for Bob, dude. We love him, AJ. We love that guy. He's everywhere. He's honestly everywhere.

When he's out there, like you see him, always right. Him and Max Crosby together. I saw Max's comments after the game too. It seems like those guys have a lot of fun together and work hard. But yeah, it's always fun because you see, yeah, old Bubby Spillane is always by the ball, and he's usually never finishing on his back. He's usually finishing on top of somebody.

Yeah, he's usually finishing on stomachs. That's right. Isn't he? He's finishing on stomachs. On top all the time. Isn't he, AJ? He ain't finishing on back. He's probably on his back, too.

Well, maybe they're on their back, and he's on top of them sometimes, too. Well, they might finish on their back. Right into the ground. But he's finishing on stomachs. Stomachs and he's on top of them sometimes. Well, they might finish on their back. But he's finishing on stomachs. Always. All the time. Even faces. We've seen him finish on faces. That's Bob's playing football.

Yeah. Huh? Yeah. Put on your highlight film, Bob. Put Pat's voice over a highlight of him making these picks. This guy's finishing on stomachs. Yeah, he gets sucked up and then finished on stomachs. So did you hear Troy Aikman was talking about last night?

Or maybe it was Peyton. The Raiders have no run game at all. It's done. And in the first quarter, the linebackers for the Packers got sucked up on a run fake, and then he threw the ball right over their head. And Peyton goes, yeah, just do a play action. Even when he can't run, the linebackers will move.

Like, Peyton was so surprised that they were showing any respect at all for the play action. Then he had to go into the – you see what Jimmy's doing here. He's turning his full back to really sell that thing. But there is a chance that they don't respect it at all. The Green Bay defense, Joe Barry's public enemy number one. Matt Canada for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yep.

And then Joe Barry seems to be public enemy number one for Packers fans. That's real? Do you still believe that? Does everybody believe that? Absolutely. I mean, it's hard after last. I mean, they only gave up 17 points, so it's not like crazy. But, I mean, when they play good teams, yeah, they get gashed.

They haven't been able to stop the run for three years. Guys like Jair say, like, hey, I want to follow the best receiver. He says, like, nah, don't worry about that. And then the best receiver has, like, 150 yards in the first half. They just don't ever make any changes, ever. I mean, same deal. Last night in the red zone, you know, the touchdown that Jacoby Myers caught, they got their safeties playing in the end zone.

It's like, okay, they're just going to run a slant, and it's going to be an easy-ass touchdown. It's just, like, little shit like that. And then you look, it's like, okay, they're just going to run a slant and it's going to be an easy ass touchdown. Just like little shit like that. And then you look, it's like they have nine first round picks playing on the defense. You'd think at some point those guys... This should be the Browns defense. This should be the Cowboys defense. And they're just not.

And it's just year after year after year after year the same shit happening over and over. Here's what Jair Alexander said after the game about expectations on their defense. I appreciate him saying it. Now, what he's saying is very far-fetched in the NFL and expectations, but here's what Jair Alexander had to say about expectations on their defense. Yeah, I think at this point it's pretty obvious that the defense has to not give up any touchdowns.

I think that's a part of being self-critical of our defense because the offense is pretty young, and they're still figuring out their mojo. The defense, we've got to be the ones to score and stop them from scoring. I love that. I think it's pretty obvious now we can't give up a touchdown. That's not good. They played great last night, only gave up a certain amount of points. People still hate Joe Barry, but I think that is their actual mindset

behind closed doors if you hear Jair properly there. Yeah, it's kind of a mindset that teams' defenses would have. And D-Buck could help me out here where if you know your backup is playing, you know your main guy's hurt, that's the first thing. D-Corner, hey, it's on us, guys. We need to get – at least let's get a couple turnovers. Let's set them up in good field position.

Like that feels like the mentality they're having right now. Yeah, but, I mean, you mentioned the backup. Not your starter you need no you can't yeah and pat said you get they gave up 17 like that's kind of number going into it usually at least quarterback through three picks too like jordan love throws three picks and you only give up two missed field goals on the other side one blocked one miss well rogers alluded to it too like they you get down in the red zone like that after having like a-yard play to Watson, you have to score a fucking touchdown there. You can't kick a field goal, and they do the same.

Run it up the middle to A.J. Dillon three times and say, all right, fuck it, let's just kick the 21-yard field goal. You can't do that. It's tough. Defense, I mean, we think back to – I'm not doing it. I'm not saying it. What? Think back to what?

Well, the Denver Broncos, whenever Tebow was quarterback. Oh. And we love Tim Tebow. Yes. But for one reason or another it just wasn't working out. They were winning games 9-3. Yeah. And they made it all the way. They were like, how many points has this team given up every single week? 6.5. Like one touchdown an extra point. We'll win with this

defense. That's a weapon. Knowing, you know what I mean? Like, that's football, obviously, scoring more than the other team. But, buddy, if your team can keep that 14. Yeah, if they consistently are holding teams under 20, even 17, 14, yeah, like, you're always going to be in it, even if your offense isn't explosive. As long as you don't turn the ball over a bunch, you're going to be in most games.

It used to be like. I'm talking about T-Bow. Remember last year? Last year it was a stat that if the Broncos scored like 18 points, they would have won. Oh, yeah. Eight more games. That's completely flipped.

They stink on defense now. Now, yeah, it's kind of – Why is that? You think they've given up? Good question. New coordinator. Lose Vic, right? Yeah, you lost –

Vance Joseph's in there. Yeah, it was – Zero. Oh, yeah, who's that? Carolina now? Yeah, yep. Carolina, yeah. Well, I think he's probably not that thrilled to be. Yeah, right? Vance Joseph's in there? Yeah, it was. Oh, yeah, who's that? Carolina now? Yeah, yep. Well, I think he's probably not that thrilled to be here. Yeah, right. Hey, that place is wild.

Listen to this. Frank Reich was speaking to the media about life as the head coach for the Carolina Panthers. And listen to this. We're week five. This is his first year as the head coach of the Carolina Panthers. Here's Frank Reich chit-chatting about his life with ownership. There's different philosophies in ownership.

You know what I mean? Some owners kind of stay away and don't engage a whole lot. Other owners do. And his philosophy is he's going to engage. And listen, it's only been a short experience, but it's been a really good experience. It hasn't been fun. It's not fun. Those meetings aren't – I wouldn't characterize them as fun meetings,

but those meetings make me better, and I trust they make us better. They haven't thus far. They haven't. Thus far. They haven't thus far. But I like the thought of the coach walking in. Coach feels like the players, doesn't he? He feels like the players when the owner's around. Sit down. Thank you.

Do you want water or anything? No? All right, good. You don't deserve water. Let's go through some things. You know, this guy has all his data and analytics printed out. Oh, yeah. You know, I was shown an interesting stat today.

Our team, okay, right here, lower left quadrant. You see that? Every other team where we're looking to be up here. Explain that to me. You have four minutes. You can use the entire office. What do you think is happening in there? It does sound like he's getting called to the carpet.

Hey, you need to do this. We need to try that. Was he doing this to Wilks last year whenever Wilks was winning as the interim head coach with a team that was – I bet they watched the games together. Don't you think he comes in Monday morning possibly and maybe the owner and head coach one-on-one watch the game together and they go through each play.

Now tell me what this call is. Now why did you make this call? What is this? What's that? What happened here? Well, I made the call for Adam Thielen, and Adam Thielen wasn adam feeling wasn't on the field and he was like you need to tell the media that yeah okay you need to tell you need to tell the media that in your next press conference or i'm going to tell them okay like is this guy terrorizing frank right what if he is a like uh

some coaches are a little bit more stern than other coaches but he said it hasn't been fun i think it's been good what if he's like, look at the way you blow your whistle. What if it's like everything he does in there. I love it. Shirts untucked. Is he complaining like coaches do when things go bad? We got our shirts untucked. I see we got tape on our shoes. Is he doing that

the right? Can we not have some fresh white shoes on the sidelines? Can we not have enough? What are we doing here? What is football? Frank Reich had no idea that's what he was signing up for, it seems like. I mean, he had to. You know, you knew

what the roster was. You saw the moves they made last year. Now, you got to have that conversation with the ownership. You know, okay, how much time do I have?

How much input do I have on putting this roster together? You got a rookie quarterback who's obviously struggling with a lot of talent around him. But it's got to be tough just having somebody. I think Cliff Kingsbury talked about

watching film or something. We saw even Carly Ursae on the sideline with the head still there. I don't know how much input or how much talk. We know Ursae knows ball, but obviously they're their team. They're going to run the show how they see fit, but that's got to

be tough, especially if you're not used to it as a head coach. Carly Ursae on the sideline, headset with microphone if needed, and wristband is still one of my favorite things happening in the NFL every single week that is actually happening. Sweet. Every week, it's like at those home games, we look down the sideline, we're like, oh, Carly's not here. What are we doing?

We're going to lose this game. And then all of a sudden, the team goes the other side. It're like, oh, Carly's not here. What are we doing? We're going to lose this game. And then all of a sudden the team goes the other side. It's like, there she is. Boom. Could you imagine? Does she ever talk? Does she ever press a button and talk to somebody? I haven't seen her drop that thing down and really dive in.

I would like to wear a headset. That would be very entertaining and very insightful to hear all the different coaches chatter. That's what I'm saying. How much do you think coaches are but i mean i've always though you you know you know the team owner got a headset on you know 50 yards down the field you know you know the type of shit it said on the sideline that's what i'm saying here like i wonder wow dynamic i appreciate the fact that carly's doing it because she wants to learn every aspect of football she didn't have a chance to like grow up in the locker room although she was around obviously her dad on the team like her dad was an equipment manager her dad was gm for a time her

dad was in this whole thing and as you know the transition takes place at some point hopefully forever from now but they all understand it i think she just wants to learn more and more and more as about football as she can that's's an interesting tactic, though. And Shane Steichen, right, first year head coach, like I wonder if there was a moment where he was about to say something to somebody and then he just sees Carly down at the end. Yeah, staring. His get-back guy, his get-back coach is probably hitting him. Probably a mic coach.

Yeah, you got a get-back guy and a filter, filter, filter guy. Filter, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. She could be like ingratiating herself though and like going and like getting a pinch of chaw, putting it in and like just, what the fuck are we doing out here? Imagine she drops that thing.

That'd be cool. Throw the ball. Yeah. Yeah. Puts it back up. Mm-hmm. Shane, who, what, what, what,

look to your right, motherfucker. Yeah. It's Carly Irsay down there. Yeah. So awesome. We want to air it out, motherfucker. I love it. Isay down there. We want to air it out, motherfucker. I love it. I really enjoy it. I do appreciate the hell out of it. It is funny, though,

to look at. Carly Irsay needs to know that. It is funny to see her killing it, too. Fashion. She is killing it fashion-wise. It's not like sideline apparel. It is like dope dress, sick shoes, incredible thing thing and then headset arm sleeve we're taking notes the entire time it is just abnormal i think whatever

you think about full nfl stuff but i appreciate that she's that yeah that's what i'm saying just right there in a minute that is not like it yes sitting on top of the graphic. Not edited, obviously. No. Not edited. No, it's behind the scoreboard. I love everything about what's happening there. But the first time I saw it, Carly Erce is on the fucking sideline right now?

Yeah. Absolutely. Get Jim down there with the headset right next to it. That'd be amazing. So they used to talk about how Al Davis or other owners would call down and be like, we're running the ball the next 10 plays because we just paid their running back $26.5 million guaranteed over the next two years.

And then the OC's like, was that the? Yeah. Okay. 24 power. 24 power. We are going to do that. Jim has never really been that type of guy, but I do hope he hits a phase of life where he does become that guy.

That'd be awesome. I do hope that Shane Steichen's got to call a timeout and go to the owner's suite and go, no, no, we can't do that. Don't you know me? That'd be amazing. Ownership is a crazy thing. Oh, my God.

Nuts. Just able to do whatever the fuck you want. I mean, that's probably the Carly thing. I think it's kind of sweet. As a fan of a team with an older owner, I wouldn't feel as good about Bob Kraft passing it to Jonathan Kraft if Jonathan Kraft wasn't in the suite every single Sunday watching every single game.

So I think it is kind of one of those things where down the road, like it is funny now, but in like 20 years when it is Carly's team, we will be able to say like she knows football. She was in there. Yeah, she's been on the sidelines. And even if – because if you put me in there, I might not understand what the fuck's going on either. And I'm saying me as like punter.

I'm not saying that she – and I think she had Hasselbeck going in whenever she first started being in the building every single day. I think Hasselbeck was going in like once a week to like go through the game plan with her like that was a part of it and to like learn stuff yeah i think she's like trying her absolute best to get like a full-on thing but in the middle of the game i assume there's a lot that she doesn't understand like i wouldn't either but there is certainly like the way things work yeah she at least has an understanding there you go this is coming from here this is going to here we could do this instead like that is a valuable piece of information with that being said i wonder how the coaches feel yes knowing that there is a big

brother basically just sitting in on your headsets which could be a a sacred area for the coaches but with the colts it's like listen she's not even there. Even though she is, you just got to talk how you need to talk. Yeah. And I assume they just get used to it. Yeah, probably. Jim probably told, I would hope that Jim would, you know, at least, you know, give her some sort of prerequisite, like, hey, this isn't going to be like words that you think are going to be just normal and that are like nice.

Hey, there's some real intense shit. Yeah. Yeah. Lives are on the line. We saw Ken Dorsey lose his mind. He has a microphone in front of his mouth before he does that. There's some really intense guys who commit

their entire beings to these games. Their entire lives are in there. And they might still live in 1995. Because that was the last time they went out in public. And all they've done is watch. I'm not saying the Colts have any of those guys, but those guys exist. Them having a microphone, I couldn't even

fathom when one of their guys fucks up. You know, like a linebacker coach's guy fucking up, D coordinator asking, didn't we say? Yeah. Yeah. Ah! Now we got to get to the next play. It's like chaotic. I'm happy I don't have a headset, but I'm happy Carly does as well. I got a FaceTime for Marlovsky.

Let me see. Obviously, Aaron did. Hey, we're live. We're live. We're still live. Okay. Why are you doing this? What?

I did not say what. I thought that's what you said. I say. I thought that's what you said. I read the headline. That is what he said. He said it. I didn't say that, dude. I didn't say that. I never once said Mac Jones would be playing like he would be better than Brock Purdy.

I didn't say that. I said he would be playing like that. Like that. Like that. Oh, okay. What is that, man? Like Purdy? He's mad. Stop. Like that. Like that. Like that. Oh, okay. What is that, man? Like birdies?

Mad. Stopped. Hey, you're doing great. You're having a hell of a run, bro. I just watched highlights of you from your career. You're incredible. That was pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good.

The Walmart commercial was awesome. Oh, my God. Everything's going good. You look good. Everything's good. Nice throw. More pants this week? Apologize for putting words into my mouth, Aaron. All right, man.

I think we'll have to re-watch the film to see what happened. What'd you say? I think we'll have to re-watch the film there to see who's right, who's wrong, who's putting words where, you know what I mean? Why can't I just, like, why does it have to be, oh, my gosh, Danilovsky hates Brock Purdy? Oh, is that what's happening now, oh, my gosh, Danilovsky hates Brock Purdy? Oh, is that what's happening now? Oh, my gosh, dude.

That's what he said, right? It's not disrespectful to Brock Purdy. I've never once said one disrespectful thing about Brock Purdy. When he played last year, I was like, this dude's really good. He's really good. I can also say Mac Jones would be playing like that. It doesn't mean he'd be playing as good. It doesn't mean he'd be playing as good. It doesn't mean... Like that.

What do you mean like that? I'm sorry. I might not know English. Like that. Aren't you saying, yeah, he could be just as good? He would be brought. I don't know. I have no idea if he would be just as good. I don't know if he'd be playing MVP level football. But he'd be playing like that. He'd be playing

like that. Hey, listen. All be playing. Dad, Dad, Dad. Hey, listen, all good here. Now, Aaron did take it as a chance to say some stuff. And to be honest, I forgot he even went after you because if you, I don't know if you heard this, him and RFK Jr. are going to be debating with Tony Fauci and Travis Kelsey at some point. I completely forgot about what he said.

I apologize that we put you right in the middle. Here's GetUp, by the way. Who's RFK Jr.? Running for president. Wait, no. Listen, we just learned it. But GetUp said if Mac Jones was in San Francisco, he would be playing like Brock Purdy.

Quote. That's what it – Dan, that's your show. Quote, unquote. No, it's not. That's Mike Greenberg's show. Like Brock Purdy. Quote. That's what it... Dan, that's your show. Quote, unquote. No, it's not. That's Mike Greenberg's show. Like Brock Purdy. So, remember when people were saying if Lamar Jackson was in Kansas City,

he'd be playing like Patrick Mahomes? No, I don't remember that. I don't remember that. Remember? Dan, it feels like you're in a tough spot right now. You lose. It's all right, Dan. Remember, Walmart commercial, awesome.

Yes. Equalizer 2 promo, awesome. The shoulder thing. Equalizer 3, you're right. That one was also sweet. The shoulder thing is moving, doing numbers. Ice cold Dr. Pepper. Moving.

You were voicing over in a Toy Story movie Awesome You're killing it I hope you have a good afternoon, bud Well, it's going to be better than yours, John I appreciate you, Dad I will be watching at a film Is he mad?

He should be mad at Get Up, not us Because they quoted They put the quote up No, Dan quoted Get Up, not us, because they quoted. They put the quote out. No, Dan quoted Get Up, too. I mean, it's an absolutely horseshit argument. I said like that. I said like that. That means the same thing.

Brock Purdy is playing at an MVP level. Sounds like a Schefter situation from yesterday. If Brock was playing like that, he would be playing at an MVP level. When's it? I said something bad about it. I never said it. I'm Brock's fan. Not everybody's, I said something bad about, I never said, I'm a Bronx fan. Now everybody's saying I'm not a Bronx fan.

Gumpy and Shefty yesterday certainly. Yeah, they danced. Had a scene. Before we get out of here, I think we need to acknowledge something that I think we all have recognized, obviously, throughout the day, but we've kept it really hush-hush. Ladies and gentlemen, it's somebody's birthday today. That's right. Hell yeah.

ZD Baby, if you could please come out here. Please, ZD Baby. ZD Baby. Out there, Z. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday

dear ZD. Happy birthday to you. Howdy, baby. ZD, great work. Hell yeah. It's your best year yet, ZD, coming up, pal. Happy birthday, pal. Proud of you, man.

25? Why didn't he stay out here longer? He just said, get me out of here. I'm taking him. He's a grinder. He's going back to work. He's normally the one that orders the cake, too, for the birthdays. Yes. And none of us said happy birthday to him all day.

I think there was a chance he thought that we didn't know it was his birthday. So I'm happy we got to surprise him a little bit with a cake. Happy birthday, Z. Happy birthday, Z. Happy birthday, Z. My mom's birthday as well, October 10th. Oh, happy birthday, Ms. Hawk. Happy birthday, Z. Happy birthday, Z. My mom's birthday as well, October 10th. Oh, happy birthday, Ms. Hawk. Happy birthday, Ms. Hawk. Where'd it go?

Well, you created. Yeah. All three of them. Bingo. AJ, everybody's going to talk about obviously because of what he's accomplished on the field and in life, but what Ryan does to the lakes would never be duplicated. Michael Phelps couldn't beat up a fucking lake

like the way ryan hawk does no way so mrs hawk happy birthday to you zito happy birthday to you thank you big thanks to everybody that stopped by today kevin seaford marcel louis jacques mark caboli aaron rogers rich paul jk dobbins hell of a day today huge great day you're you're cooking well i just it doesn't seem like aj planned a big birthday bash in D.C. for his mom today like she did for him a couple years ago. AJ's birthday is January 6th, and there was a little bit of a dust-up party for him over there in D.C. Costumes.

That was amazing. That was one of my favorite things that had happened. Just the coincidence side of it all. Oh, perfect. Just the day afterwards. Heard you enjoyed your birthday yesterday, ODC. Really got after it, AJ. It's awesome. Zeke, how old are you, buddy?

32. Holy shit. I did not know that. What did you think he was? It might be 31. I get confused. That's a bad omen for the Penguins. Why? Because he's a Blackhawks fan. It's his birthday.

He's 32. Oh, no kid on the block. Bedard with the hat trick. That's how many wins the Blackhawks have had the last two seasons. We actually knocked the Penguins out of the playoffs last year. Yeah, you're about to get payback for that tonight. Yeah, suck it. Hey, will they take shots at Bedard?

But don't. Not the way. That was good. Oh, way. That was good. That one looked good. Hey, will they try to run Bedard at all in his first game? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't think the Pens will.

Geno Malkin might. Someone should. Flower might. Geno, carve him up. Yeah. All right, let's make some picks for tonight's game. Can we put the graphic up? Here we go, AJ.

D-Butt, get ready. Nashville Predators. Yes. Tampa Bay Lightning. Wow. go, AJ. D-Butt, get ready. Nashville Predators, Tampa Bay Lightning. Wow. Puck line? D-Butt, yeah, just puck line for all these. Who do you like? Me, Tampa Bay. Okay.

Why aren't the Panthers playing open tonight? We were the second best team in the league last year. Well, because you guys have no fans. We're trying to make sure the ratings are high for week one. The Lightning are favored in that one pretty decently. AJ, who do you like? Novasilevsky. Novasilevsky?

Novasilevsky? He's out for a couple months. I'll take the Nashville Preds then. Give me the Preds. Chicago Blackhawks, Pittsburgh Penguins. The Blackhawks are favored in this one on the road in Pittsburgh. That's not true. That's the puck line. Go to the money line.

There it is. Okay, never mind. Heavy favorites. Here we go. We fucking are awesome. Minus 140 on the 60-minute line. Pens to win in 60. Okay, love that. No overtime. A lot of overtime in hockey, though. AJ, what do you like? Pittsburgh. I saw Sid

interviewing Bedard. I like Sid's moxie. That was weird. Yeah, that was a question. That was pretty good. Those two are big fans of each other, I would assume. I like Sid's moxie as well. D-Butt, Pittsburgh or Chicago? Give me the Blackhawks. I think I'm going to start us off with two goals tonight. That's a problem. Nice. I'll take the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Until proven otherwise, Pittsburgh Penguins. I do like Connor Bedard goal though. I think it's like plus 200 or something like that in some places. Feels like he's probably going to score. He's the next one. It's opening night. The way we talked to him yesterday, he has no idea who he is, what he is, but what we do know is

that guy's got a snapper. Alright, in the final game of the evening, the Crocken take on the Las Vegas Golden Knights. Golden Knights favored at home on banner night. Ty, what else do we need to know about the Golden Knights? Fucking Stoner has looked absolutely electric. I don't know what the pregame entertainment is,

but I assume with it being banner night, it's going to be pretty special. Toughest barn in the NHL. We all know that T-Mobile Arena is going to be rocking tonight. D-Butt, who do you like? Respect the hell out of the squad. Give me the Golden Knights. AJ? Stoner was holding the cup last night you like? Respect the hell out of the squad. Give me the Golden Knights. Yep. AJ? Stoner was holding the cup last night, wasn't he?

So give me the Knights. I'll take the Knights as well. All right. The Knights have won seven of the last eight against Seattle. And in six of those games, they've won by two or more goals. Okay. Kind of own the Kraken, no big deal. Don't let those Kraken get hot, though.

Yeah, first night, too. A little jitters. Maybe back on the ice. Right. Buzz back there. Maybe a slow start. But the Golden Knights boys are those Kraken get hot, though. Yeah, first night, too. A little jitters. Maybe back on the ice. A buzz back there. Maybe a slow start. But the Golden Knights boys are built for it. Oh, yeah. As are the Pittsburgh Penguins.

What are you doing? Wait, so all those teams. Why'd you do what you did? All those teams got good fan bases? No. Seattle, I've never seen anybody. The Kraken. The Kraken.

Actually, yeah. They love fan bases. The Kraken. Actually, yeah. I would say, yes. All these teams have good fan bases. Yeah. Go Bolts. Okay. Yeah. Go Bolts. Go Bolts. I would like to pick the these teams have good fan base. Go Bolts.

I would like to pick the Bolts, by the way. I had Nashville, and then I forgot about how much I love the Bolts. Nashville is a hard time scoring. Fucking Stomko still playing tonight? Yeah. Pekka still playing? Big Pekka? He was a player.

Our boy got traded, didn't he? Who? Patty? Big Rig? Yeah, Big Rig. We need him was a player. Our boy got traded, didn't he? Who, Patty? Big Rig? Yeah, Big Rig. We need him on the pens. Bad. Oh, come on, bro. If this one goes in, pens are winning tonight.

Okay. Here we go. A lot of pressure on Sid and them boys. That's going in. Go ahead. You feel great. Oh, do you? Loser.

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