The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 998 - Arthur Smith, Nick Saban, Peyton Manning, Jordan Poyer, Coach Chuck Pagano LIVE In The ThunderDome, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

On today’s show, Pat, Chuck Pagano, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about tonight’s Thursday Night Football game between the Jaguars and the Saints, what Trevor Lawrence’s status is with his knee sprain, who’s out for the Saints, Davante Adams’ comments about the Raiders offense, and everything else going on in the NFL as we kickoff week 7. Joining the progrum for a dry five to chat about Calais Campbell, his confidence in Desmond Ridder, and much more is Head Coach of the Atlanta Falcons, Arthur Smith (20:38-30:30). Next, 7x National Champion, the GOAT, Head Coach of Alabama, Nick Saban joins the show to chat about last week’s victory over Arkansas, how he keeps his guys from getting complacent, putting together 4 good quarters, the Tennessee game this weekend, the different between beating teams and winning games, and more (57:28-1:19:18). Next, one of the greatest players of all-time, 5x MVP, Hall of Fame, 2x Super Bowl Champion, Peyton Manning joins the show to chat about Peyton’s Places season 4 which debuts this weekend, why he and Eli have been having so much fun on the ManningCasts this year, his thoughts on the physicality being removed from football, and more (1:58:42-2:14:46). Later, All-Pro, Pro Bowler, starting Safety for the Buffalo Bills, Jordan Poyer joins the show to chat about all the noise about the Bills outside the building, how difficult it was playing in London, trying to replace Matt Milano and Tre’Davious, Mac Jones trying to hit him in the nuts this weekend, and more (2:22:39-2:44:51). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show. Or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. We’ll see you tomorrow LIVE from Columbus, Ohio on the set of College GameDay. Cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Coach Saban Thursday, October 19th, 2023, this sports program starts now. Football! It is happening. The weather has turned here in Indianapolis. We will not see the sun for the next five months. It is raining. It is getting chilly. But that means one thing and one thing alone. That means that football matters most right now, tonight.

NFL Week 7 kicks off as the Jacksonville Jaguars will travel down to the bayou to take on the New Orleans Saints. Saints favored by two. How is that possible with what the Jags have been able to do? Oh, Trevor Lawrence, quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Questionable. Will be a game-time decision, although people on the internet are assuming that he's going to play. We do not know what the case is.

We will continue to try to snoop around to try to get the best answer for everybody for the next three hours. We have a packed show today. We have Artie Smith joining us in about 15 minutes. The head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. They take on the Bucs on this Sunday in a big division matchup down there in hot Tampa Bay. Then we have Coach Saban joining us in the next hour. Cannot wait to chat with him. Massive win last week.

They didn't win by 20. No, they didn't. Only won by 3, so we'll count that as a loss. We'll let him know that. We are all very disappointed. I'm sure he'll be excited to hear that, but he's got a massive rivalry. The third Saturday in October is happening for Alabama this weekend, playing against a Tennessee team that's different this year

than they were last year. How does he feel about his team? Then we'll have Peyton Manning join us. Ooh, the sheriff. Yeah. Peyton Manning's going to join us. Season four of Peyton's Place is launching, so I cannot wait to chit-chat with him. There might be an appearance by me in this particular season.

Whoa! Whoa! Am I a Is that right? Whoa. Oh. Whoa. Break it. Am I a thespian? Maybe. Whoa.

Ticker. Maybe. The talk's at the table. It's here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Dad. Cowboys turn digs this year. And a man who has coached football for 36 years,

18 years in college, 18 years in the NFL. My head coach at one point for the Indianapolis Colts. A defensive extraordinaire. And a man who is five and one 18 years in the NFL. My head coach at one point for the Indianapolis Colts. A defensive extraordinaire and a man who is 5-1 picking against the spread on Thursday Night Football's this season. Ladies and gentlemen, Paisano Chuck Pagano. Hey, Chuck. How are we doing? Chuckie P, how are we doing, pal?

Doing great. You look good. Great to be here. Feel great. Hey, 5-1 against the spread on these Thursday nights. Now, Lash. Wow. Don't.

Chuck. Don't say that. You're just diminishing all the hard work that you put in. You come in every single week, every single morning whenever I walk in here. You're already sitting down at your little desk there next to Zito. What's that, man? Is that a five? That's a five, man. I got five

of those things. Let me pull this out of my pocket. Boom. Not a middle finger. Five. That's what I got. Chuck Pagano's on his MCDC bullshit. He's looking to make it six and one. But every morning whenever I walk in here on these glorious Thursdays, you're already sitting down, notepad out, looking up names, pronunciations, doing the whole thing. You are more detail-oriented for one game than I've ever seen anybody in my life.

It is as if you're taking your head coaching cap for both of these teams every single week. And we appreciate the hell out of the money train that you have become. Legitimately, we appreciate that. Having a lot of fun. Not easy to pick games against the spread. Are you kidding me? It's impossible. Last year you did Coach P's Keys.

It was awesome. I felt like we were kind of making a mockery of you a little bit too much. I didn't think you deserved it. This year, I wanted you to be a part of every discussion because your football intel and brain is a fantastic one. and now the fact that we're also benefiting from it uh we love it so we appreciate every time you come let's start diving into some of the news that is happening around the NFL video has been released to Jalen Ramsey back at practice for the Miami Dolphins he has never played for the Miami Dolphins if you do recall was with the Rams gets

traded to Miami after signing a big deal, gets hurt, don't get a chance to really experience the Jalen Ramsey, Miami Dolphins, Vic Fangio defense. But now he's bouncing around, bopping out there. This is a weapon that Vic Fangio is going to be excited to see out there, I assume. Oh, my God, no doubt about it. What type of player is he, Chuck? I mean, if you want to match him up,

you can match him up on the other teams, number one. That predominantly doesn't happen in Vic's defense. He usually just plays left and right. He played in the slot at the Rams, so he's got versatility. I could put him in the back end if you want to put him in the back end as a safety at some point. So there's so many things that this kid can do. He hits, too. He talks his shit.

He hits. He's a mood booster, I think, for everybody on the team. He's a guy that you want on your team, would hate if he's on the other team. And the Dolphins are getting him at just the right time. We're starting to see more and more clips of this coach McDaniel. And, Gumpy, I saw a video today that you posted from Hammer, the day before McDaniel was hired for the Miami Dolphins to become the head coach. And your thoughts were like, kick it.

Yeah, I'm in. It can't get any worse. What it has become with this guy has been a dream, I'd say, Gumpy, with his sweet hat on back there. He is one of one. Like, I've never seen anything like it. And what he's done with Tua and the whole team, like, everyone's buying in and you don't hear a bad thing about him.

And, like, the history of the dolphins and their coaches this does not happen like this isn't real life okay so let's talk about the reasons why and i don't know how he wasn't a head coach earlier although he's a very young man who became a head coach obviously if you hear him talk and learn of his story it's like wow this guy is supposed to be leading an n team, especially in this very offensive heavy era that we're in the NFL. Here's a clip of him talking to Carissa Thompson about being a father and what it's like with coaching. And just listen to the empathy pour out of this human soul. He's supposed to be a coach. And I think he's supposed to be a dad as well, obviously.

How has becoming a father made you a better head coach? a father made you a better head coach? I think, ironically, they're similar in that it's a servitude role. I'm so proud of you. I mean, you are everything you wanted to be and more. Being a dad is very much like being a head coach in that you're constantly concerned about the well-being of other people. And I know for a fact I couldn't be any of the things that are the most important things to me. Father, husband, man, and then head coach.

All of those are a consequence of wanting to be something for someone. To not exist for yourself is a beautiful thing. This dude's a beautiful thing. And I had no idea how long it was going to go because I can listen to that man speak for hours. I didn't see the countdown on the lower left, so I apologize for interrupting a great moment there with Carissa Thompson in that one-on-one interview.

But whenever we hear this guy do his thing in press conferences, he's nothing like anybody else. He's very relaxed. When he came in and did our show at our old studio, just sat down and was like, what's up? Yale brain, obviously a mastermind whenever it comes to offensive football, but has committed his entire being to this Dolphins team, wakes up at 2.30 in the morning or something like that to do his whole life.

This guy's special, Con Man, and he's in the AFC East for the next 20 years probably. Yeah, absolutely brutal for anybody who isn't a Dolphins fan in the AFC East, but it's cool that there is this new era. I feel like the LaFleurs and the Kevin O'Connells and those guys, they're kind of different from what McDaniel is. I mean, Gumby just said it. He is one of one.

And then when you see the other teams try and copy him, you'll definitely see it this weekend. When they do the sprint out motion, every other team. Right before the snap. Right before the snap. Every other team is peeking back, turning around to make sure that they're not going off sides or they're not going fast. But the Dolphins, they are so well, there's a well-oiled machine that when Tyreek Hill

sprints out there, he doesn't turn around. He knows when the ball is snapped. And it's impressive because AQ always talks about the reason the San Francisco O-line and that run game is so good is that they just practice the motions over and over and over again and it doesn't come easy. And you can tell that with the Dolphins team.

They're practicing that motion and it looks easy and simple and it's like, why hasn't anyone else done that? It's probably because it's so damn difficult. It's credit to Tyreek Hill and Waddle and all those guys, too. But McDaniel, bringing that to the NFL has completely changed that. Yeah, and I think you'll hear a lot of coaches. I said this about Bill Belichick with Tom Brady and LeFleur with Aaron Rodgers.

It's real easy to win with all those people. And now we heard it at the Niners. They were like, well, if you put Mac Jones in where Brock Purdy is, he could play like that. Okay, now we don't know what like that means, if he's saying exactly or not. Just kind of completely diminishing the mental side of being a quarterback, which is like 85% of it, especially at the NFL, going to have to be able to make every throw.

But now some of the same conversation is happening about Tua. And not only do you hear Coach McDaniel, like, his empathy and he's a deep thinker and he's one of one. He has those sick shades. He wears joggers tightened up. He's got the off-white shoes with clips still on. I mean, this dude is different than anything we've seen as a head coach. Listen to the passion whenever people say bad things about his players.

In this particular case, it's Tua. Anybody can do what Tua's doing, right? There are some folks who believe that many quarterbacks in this scheme, with you as the coach, with Tyreek and Jalen, maybe even many, many quarterbacks, would excel, would flourish, would be near the top of the pass or radar leading MVP candidate. What, if any, pushback is their relative? Wait, no, no, hold on.

Two-one is a little different. I'm about to push this podium over. My answer to that would be who the F cares because it is a team. We're working together. And I know one thing. I've coached stuff a long time. I haven't seen people do what our guys do.

Yeah, I mean, he gives an answer that goes on to basically just say, yeah, we're a special group. But the whole thought of people saying that anybody could do what you're doing right now kind of diminishes a lot of the greatness that is taking place and all the work that is taking place behind the scenes whenever we talk to coach uh mcdaniel he came in and he said it's actually one of our commercials we we run where he said well first i want to see what tua does well the reason why the team is built the way it is is because mcdaniel watched 7 000 clips of tua tonga valoa playing quarterback not only with the dolphins in al in Alabama in high school in Hawaii and probably whenever he was in his youth league,

but he said, what does this guy do well? Well, his timing's great and his accuracy is perfect because he was a run game coordinator for the 49ers. Now his offense is known as being the most timingly beautiful offense where everything's in there in speed all over the place. He was a massive piece of why they built the team this way. Tua is a massive reason why the team is being built this way. But it's not just as easy as, yeah, we get speed and we have good play calls,

and it happens. Why do you think the Dolphins have been so successful, and why do you think McDaniel's been successful, Chuck? He's putting those guys in position to be successful. There's a lot of guys that have fell into rosters like this and had plenty of talent, had a quarterback, but they're set in their old ways

and they figure, hey, I'm just going to run what I like to run instead of figuring out like, what was the play clip he put together on Tua? I think it was 1,700 plays or something. Whatever, right? And watch every play and I guarantee you, he did that for everybody on that offense.

And so there's a lot of guys that don't have the ability to go ahead and say, okay, what do these guys do best, and then to be as detailed and execute the way that they do. You guys are talking about that motion. It's like the tush push. Everybody now is trying it, right? It's easy. Tuesday night football, Wednesday night football, Thursday night football,

high school. Right, right, right. And how football, Wednesday night football, Thursday night football, high school. And how many people are being successful with it? It's only Philly right now, right? But he's unbelievable. He plays to those guys' strength. He obviously can relate to them. You told me, I think, whenever we were interviewing McDaniel on the show, I think Chuck texted me and was like, I'd go coach for this guy.

Why was it literally from the beginning that you thought, yeah, this is a guy you'd want to coach a lot? He's real, and he's obviously bright. He's very smart, but he delegates, and he sees the best in people, and he brings the best out of those people, but he lets those guys coach. And he doesn't have an ego, so for him to say, hey, look, I've got the offense. I've got the quarterback. We're going to get him right.

Get him into jujitsu. He's going to be healthy. Hey, it's working. We've got the quarterback. We're going to get him right. Get him in the jujitsu. He's going to be healthy. It's working. We've got all these pieces, right? And then go hire Vic and let Vic run the defense. And Gumpy, still a lot of room to grow on that defensive side of the ball in the fans' eyes. Is that what they're saying? Yeah, definitely. I think Ramsey back will help. Jalen Phillips still not on a full. He's still on a play count this week as well, but the Cam Smith they drafted in the second round this year has not played a snap this season.

He was supposed to be a very good cornerback as well. Is that the South Carolina kid? Yes, sir. Yeah. It takes time, and sometimes those guys get in there and they're ready to go, and sometimes they're not. So getting Jalen back will be huge. And this guy, you don't see him ever get flustered.

Ever. No. Like I watched a game the't see him ever get flustered. Ever. No. Like I watched a game the other – on Sunday, I think. You're old. Something happened. Something happened. You probably forgot what yesterday was. Right before the half.

You know, and the clock ran out, and then Guy go ballistic. Oh, that was prime time. You're talking about Dayball. Dayball. You're talking about – Giant's Pills. Yeah. This, go after a coach, Oh, that was prime time. You're talking about Dayball. Dayball, okay. You're talking about it. Right? Yeah. This, go after a coach, go after the player.

Come on. What are you doing? Like, you won't ever see Mike do that. Yeah. Like, that's ridiculous. He has an old soul, too. Like, everybody, we're all pissed off. If you're a Giants fan, you're pissed.

If you're one of the coaches, you're pissed. If you're the OC, you're pissed. If you're Tyrod Taylor, you're pissed. Everybody knows that, right? So why pile on? Well, I think the thing about Dayball, it's interesting. This is just like Doug Peterson tonight. I just assumed Dayball would be running the offense, calling the offense.

He is not. Doug Peterson down in Jacksonville, he is not calling the offense. It's like that's a fascinating thing. So the funny thing is, right, so who's got the final say? Oh, so you're saying he's still potentially in. No, but, hey tell this is touchdown or incompletion oh to tyrod taylor yeah oh yeah yeah yeah we don't give them don't give them any option on this this is a pass and a pass only there are no runs no 100 i agree completely but

it's like in that moment dayball's thinking to himself i assume like if i was doing this would not have happened so that's why he goes right up to the offensive coordinator and then he goes up to Tyrod Taylor because right before that, you can drop in the ear because you have like, what, 10 seconds pretty much to talk before you give the play. Hey, this one's going out of bounds or in the end zone. That's it. That's only, you can drop that reminder to Tyrod Taylor, who's 34 years old, by the way. So he should know that as well, but also he to the moment, first start in a while, he's in there. You can give a little reminder. Dayball thinks to himself, I assume, like, oh, well, if I was the,

this would never happen. So that's why he goes. So I appreciate that he's a little emotional. I wanted to go to Doug Peterson, though. I wonder if he's thinking the same things whenever Press Taylor's got Trevor Lawrence's knee getting banged up in a game that's already pretty much locked and sealed away. And now here we are in a short week, Thursday night,

wondering if Trevor Lawrence is going to be able to make it back early in the season if you have any injury if you're a quarterback or wide receiver or any of these positions that are skill positions and everything week seven you have a good record right now there's a lot of games left it's a thursday if he had anything actually wrong with him i don't think it would be a real question. I think the question would be like, yeah, we're going to take this one and then you're going to get back the next week. Now that they're talking about like getting him back, working him out, they're still thinking about it. For me, I don't think the injury was that big of a deal.

I think it was like maybe a bruise or maybe something like this. It wasn't as serious. And I think Trevor plays it. For some reason, on this short of a week, with the quarterback being the star that he is in the team revolving around him. And you hear the stories about his rookie year, how it was whenever Urban was there and what Doug Peterson had to do to basically lift him back up because of everything that happened in his first year. It's like, would you roll the dice if there was a little bit of an on a short week this early in the season with Trevor Lawrence? Or do you think that this is one of those things where Trevor Lawrence

might be fighting it, saying, no, I want to play, I want to play? What do you think, Chuck? Why do you think we're even? There's so much mystery behind this because nobody practices on the short week. You go and do walkthroughs. So you don't even know, okay, he was limited, he's this. Everybody's limited. You know this being a plan on a short week with the practices.

They're not. They're hats, they're shorts. They're walkthroughs. Even me and Vinny were pissed at you if we had to kick. There's no physical part to this. What are you doing, Aslan? We can play on Thursday, bro. See you Thursday? We need a couple. Don't we need a couple?

That's a funny way to look at it. If they play them, you're risking you're either going to hand the ball off to ETN, down after down after down after, you're either going to hand the ball off to Etienne, down after down after down after down, try to stay ahead of the change, get it out of his hands, throw quick screens to Ridley and Christian Kerr, Evan Ingram, boom, boom, boom.

Otherwise, you say, no, we're not doing this. Also, you let C.J. Beathard go. You could use this as a bye for Trev. Exactly. Because England two games, and then last week, so they're living in London for two weeks, then they have last week. So if it's anything, you would think he would not be playing. But there's still a big conversation on maybe he is playing,

which leads me to believe that maybe it's not as bad of an injury. I don't know. The more gamesmanship. Oh, yeah, or it might be. You're right. The insiders, Pelissero and Rappaport, are reporting that he is pushing to play, and he's confident that he will play.

But they brought up their third string, Nathan Rourke, to the active rosters in case he can't go tonight. And they're going to test it before the game to make sure. What's that mean? You just gave a big, like, that meant something that they activated. I mean, that's all part of the, you know. Gamesmanship? But once you bring that guy up, because they haven't had three up yet, right?

Nobody's really using that third quarterback. The Patriots did last week, I thought, didn't they? So he's third designated quarterback, so he's not eating into any special teamers or anything? It says Nathan Rourke signed to the active roster Wednesday was how it was listed. So that means

that they are willing to sacrifice another position this evening on a Thursday night football game to bring up a quarterback. Is that because they don't know if Trevor will be able to last? If they think it'll be a little bit more painful? Or because he's not playing? I guess we have to read all these tea leaves and just a guess. And another one is like Jags underdogs

tonight against the Saints. Jags have been playing very good. I'm not saying the Saints aren't a good team. I assume the Saints are going to be in the conversation at the very end to win the NFC South and everything like that. But for me, I didn't expect. I thought like Jags wagon right now. Now, granted, I watched them last week just decimate the Indianapolis Colts.

So like maybe I'm living in recency bias. But it seems to me that they believe that Trevor will be hindered a little bit. Is that not an accurate assessment? Yeah, I think the Saints home field is one of the most adjusted in lines in the NFL. Like if this was on neutral, the Jags would be like a two-point favorite. What'd they beat us by, Denner? 50? Were you there for that?

51. Yeah. That's when you were the quarterback, right? No, that was Curtis Painter was down there. That wasn't you. That year they put 51 on us? Well, there was another year they put 60 on us. Was that when MJD rushed for 300, whatever?

Oh, no, you're talking about the Jags. I'm talking about the Saints down in New Orleans, the home field advantage down there. It's a real deal down there. Oh, no, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. But I was there. I was there all week, too, buddy.

It was tough. I mean, Jimmy, that was the year Jimmy Graham did his thing, and we were certainly in the middle of it. Curtis Painter was our starting quarterback, and I loved Curtis Painter as a human, but he was not set up for success. You know, I don't think they were necessarily putting him in the right spots.. Curtis Painter was our starting quarterback, and I loved Curtis Painter as a human, but he was not set up for success. I don't think they were necessarily putting him in the right spots. I was throwing, though.

I played quarterback through the week against our defense. It was just cards, you know, and it was seven on seven or whatever. And, boy, I hit the seam to a tight end. I might have threw for 10,000 yards. I literally might have threw for 10,000 yards. Because I look at this one, and if that's covered, if Mike's this way, boom, we're going this way to this one. And then if I look this way, he slides, boom, I'm going this way.

And I'll tell you what, Drew Brees did the same thing I did. I never could have guessed that. On the flight down to the game, there was a lot of chatter on the plane about, like, hey be are they running the plays that i was running like i almost won the damn mvp this week yeah like this is not and they did it was the same exact thing as practice i mean they just ran right through us first play of the game strip sack uh i think touchdown fumble time against us yeah carter spanner got the ball good way to start first play that was the first That was when our offense, their defense scored first play

whenever we were on the field, let alone what their offense was going to be able to do. But you're right. When that place gets rolling down there, it is a real problem. They got that whistle dude and drunk Cajuns everywhere. They do a very good defense too. Joining us now is another member of the NFC South, and this man has a massive NFC South battle this weekend

in Tampa Bay. We've been incredibly lucky to get a chance to chit-chat with him throughout this entire season. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons,

Coach Ari Smith. Yeah! Coach! Coach, how we doing? Great. I'm fascinated. I heard some of your quarterback stories.

Hey, listen. When was this? This was like my first three years. So the first three years, whenever it was the old regime, they let me do stuff in practice. Then Chuck came, and Chuck was like, no, I'm throwing these balls to the DBs. I'm throwing this entire thing. But I was dealing the week we played the Saints,

and the Saints did better than I was doing. And we went in there. I'll talk to you about this because now, obviously, in the NFC South, that's a place you're going to have to frequent for the next, hopefully, 15, 20 years as your head coaching stay at the Falcons. That building down there is bananas. Is there any other places around the league that you either look forward to or fear going into?

I think you enjoy it. I mean, I appreciate the atmosphere there. It's like Seattle. You know, Seattle is another one where that place, when it gets loud, it's rocking. So that's what you want. You know, that's obviously as you get different places and you're trying to build those atmospheres,

and certainly at home, but New Orleans can get loud. My first year, we went down there and we won on the last second field goal, went back and forth. And when they made that momentum charge, I could, everybody had been telling me about it. And I was like, it's real. So I see what you're saying. I still want to know that Peyton never look at you and think that he was

going to lose his job watching you run scout team quarterback. I'll tell you the year. I think it was my first year I started. I was with the linebackers first. So I was like the running back with the linebackers. And then I forget there was a quarterback that was on the practice team and then he got pulled somewhere. So then it was like on a Wednesday.

And at West Virginia, I had done it a pretty good. Hey, I can all-time quarterback basically my whole life in the neighborhood. You know what I mean? I could get telephone pole to telephone pole before anybody else. So I got dropped in on like a Wednesday. And then I think we won. And then it was like, all right, here we go. Every day I'm running back to the linebackers.

And then whenever we go to passing, it's me throwing for like the next two years, pretty much. Yeah, it was great. And then Chuck, once again, no fun. Please go work on your punter. I became a much better punter. I became a much better punter whenever I was working on that in practice, as opposed to being a quarterback.

But I can really spin it, Coach. Let's talk about your guy, your quarterback. Throws for 300 yards, okay? Bananas. Then there's a couple turnovers, obviously late and in the second half that happened, and you got memed. You know, your hands overhead, mustache making the move.

Oh, you know, that whole thing for his. How do you talk to Desmond about these types of situations? And what do you, like do you talk to desmond about these types of situations and what do you like basically tell the whole team about these types of things with your trigger man being the play caller yeah i mean obviously a quarterback and you know this and you know what you sign up for i mean you could play pretty well 90 of the game but if you have a couple critical errors they're going to get magnified and that's part of the job description no different than you know being a head coach you make or a play caller you errors, they're going to get magnified. And that's part of the job description. No different than, you know, being a head coach.

You may, or a play caller, you may think you're calling a good game. You may call one bad play and it may be the difference in the game. That's what you got to live with. But, you know, and then the reality is, as you know, Pat, when you're behind the scenes, it's never just a one person. You know, there's so much that goes on in every play. And again, it's your job to stand in there and accept the blame and the responsibility.

And really, ultimately, is to get things fixed. But with Desmond, he's made a lot of really good plays. There's a lot of, you know, as a young quarterback, things are going to happen. The last two weeks, he has thrown over 300 both times. But those critical errors you get in a game like that, that'll never change. Turnovers, whether they're fumbles, interceptions, and then

I kind of put the punt return in there as a turnover as well. It's hard to overcome that when you play a game like that. That's just life in the NFL. We've got to eliminate that. So, you know, it's not a trend going forward. How does Desmond handle it all, you think? Because he, a lot of people talked about him looking like a

55-year-old whenever he got drafted, but he did play, like, a lot of people talked about him looking like a 55 year old whenever he got drafted but he did play like a lot of football in college he does he looked like there was a photo that came from the rookie premiere oh yeah there's a there's a rookie there's a rookie there's a rookie did that guy serve in two wars before he came back and then a very but you talk about him football wise very mature as well he's been through it how have you seen your young quarterback handle all this type of scrutiny, conversation, highs and lows of the season thus far? Yeah, you just – it's all about perspective. And Des is a real guy, and he's fun to coach because, you know,

a lot of times, too, like I talked about, it is hard to play quarterback. But when you can have honest conversations, and that's part of the relationship, between the quarterback, the head coach part of the relationship between the quarterback, the head coach, certainly the play caller as well, you need to have a real relationship. And the thing I like about Des is he's honest. He's authentic. He doesn't run from things or make excuses.

And there's a lot of guys in this league, you know, when things go bad, they sit there and they try to say the right manicured thing in their press conference. I'm sure their PR person kind of gave them their agent and they get up in the press conference. Then they create drama to make sure it's not their fault. And that's not Dez. And that's why guys in this locker room love him. None of us are gonna be perfect. I'm certainly not, but he's a real guy and we believe in him and he's played 10 games and we know that there's always things to improve.

When you turn the ball over, it's going to be hard to overcome, and we've got to eliminate that, but there's a lot of good things going on here. Hell yeah. Coach, it sounds like you're the perfect guy for Desmond Ritter, and it sounds like he's the perfect guy for you. Another perfect guy for any locker room that I've learned, and I've known this guy from just events that I've got to go to where he was at, and he has a great time. I've never seen him not be liked by everybody that is around him.

He's the tallest person in the room. Every room he's in, he has the deepest voice in every room that he is in. And every time I've seen him, he's the guy having the most fun in every room that he's ever been in. But football wise, he's a leader. He's a mentor and he just got his hundredth sack. Klaes Campbell, hey, let's go. Tell me about this guy. Obviously, this shot is sick. Ah! Get off me! He's been doing that to guys in the NFL for like 45 years, it feels like,

with Calais Campbell. What's he like in your locker room? I've heard he is a perfect teammate everywhere he's been, Coach. Yeah, that's real. That's another guy that I've really enjoyed getting to work with, Calais. He made me the oldest guy in the building. You know, we talked about that.

You know, he was part of the Jimmy Johnson's last recruiting class in Miami. He's got a lot of history in football, college and pros. He's awesome. He's been so much fun to work with. You know, there's all kinds of records they make up now, like who's had the best net punting average in October 13th

or whatever random stat they put up. It may be you. I don't know. You're a great guy. But a guy like Calais, when you get 100 sacks in his league, that's impressive to me. And he's also done it. He's played every spot in a lot of different systems

and rushed over the center, rushed over the guard, obviously on the edge. That was really cool. It bothered me that we couldn't reward him with a team win after that. And, you know, I brought that up Monday. So the young guys understood, like, that's a hard feat for a player, dude, to have Hunter Saxon's lead. Yeah. Calais is the man. He's been focused focused it seems like he's nowhere near his end either you you're around him obviously every single day he's doing the dirty bird afterwards he's just re-energized it feels like every single game what a leader this weekend you got a big one Chuck has

a question for you hey coach Smith I know how difficult it can be preparing for this Tampa Bay Bucs defense. I know Bolsey likes to run a lot of, you know, jam fronts or bear fronts, whatever you guys call them. And then he's going to bring pressure from every level, right? I mean, double corner cats, all those zone pressures, the exotics. How big a challenge is that, Coach, going down there to play that defense? Yeah yeah Todd does a hell of a job Chuck as you just brought up and uh got a lot of respect for him and as you know you get in the division it's you know each other so well and and he does a good job changing things up week in and week out and really year after year uh the middle of that defense is uh stout to say the least you know with

Vito Vea and uh Devin White and Levante David and they do a good job with the least, you know, with Vita Vea and Devin White and Levante David. And they do a good job with that. And, you know, people throw a lot of pressure on us. You know, a lot of times people do that to try to cut up our run game at different times. And we've got to handle that. We're going on the road down there. And it's a big, big NFC South game. But we'll be ready to roll.

But, yeah, we've got a lot of respect for these guys, but it'll be a big game. Hell, yeah. Well, have a great one. Safe travels down there. Please tell Dick Smith we said hello. Yep. You know, we're still waiting on the logistics deal. I know.

We're pressing him. No pun intended. He better deliver for you. He's on him. Boom! We appreciate you. That might actually be. That's a new tagline.

Look at you. Head coach in the Atlanta Falcons. Marketing manager for FedEx. I mean, it's an incredible feat that's a new tagline. Look at you, head coach in the Atlanta Falcons, marketing manager for FedEx. I mean, it's an incredible feat that you're able to have. We appreciate you every week. Good luck. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

Hey, you talk about made-up stats, by the way? Guess who has the greatest passer rating in the history of Thanksgiving games in the NFL? Say it. Say it. Say it. Say it, Arnie. You do. Chuck wouldn't let you play quarterback enough.

I mean, you're right. It could have been more than just Thanksgiving. It could have had that goddamn Christmas. I don't know why you didn't bench Andrew Luck for you. I don't know, Chuck. I don't know why you didn't do that. It's on me. Listen, every year when I was almost in, I don't even

want to get into this. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Arsenault. Do you remember last game of the year? Okay, last game of the year. We've already lost five quarterbacks, at this point. Andrew Luck was dead. Whitehurst was dead. Hasselbeck was dead.

We were rolling through quarterbacks. Well, Kitna was not on the squad, but maybe. We'll look for him. So Chuck Pagano, and I've told this story before, Chuck Pagano on his Tuesday press conference, the day we're off, we're going into our last week. We have no idea what the quarterback situation is because Whitehurst just blew his hamstring.

Tore it off the bone, Miami. Couldn't even take a knee. Was worried that he wasn't even going to be able to go anymore. I think it's ripped, Coach. That is exactly. Charlie Whitehurst, this is after Luck gets hurt, Hasselbeck gets hurt, Charlie Whitehurst clipboard, Jesus gets brought in.

One of the most hilarious humans of all time, by the way. Yes. If you can get around Charlie Whitehurst, you definitely do that for at least a night or two. Love everything about him. The team loved him immediately upon arrival. But against Miami, he scrammed him for his life, and that thing just gone. They were worried he couldn't even

get into a victory formation knee. He had to do it with the opposite leg because of his hamstring. So now we're going in. I almost had to go and take a victory knee. Dominick and Sue right here. There's a thought like, hey, you might have to go in here and take a knee. It's like, I don't

know if this is the right time. I don't know. We're about to win a game. This is a big-time game. I don't know. So going into that next week, okay, Tuesday press conference, we don't have a quarterback on the roster. We still have another game to play.

We do not have playoffs on the line, but we have another game. And Chuck's like, yeah, we're putting some things together. You know, we got a plan in there for Pat McAfee to be quarterback. And I'm watching at home. I'm like, what the – did this guy just say? No way, bro. I got an offseason coming in about five days. You're telling me that I'm watching at home. I'm like, what the – did this guy just say? No way, bro. I got an offseason coming in about five days. You're telling me that I'm going to go or I'm going to die.

So, next day I'm walking through the building, see Chuck, and we just say, good morning. You know, Chuck and I always got a look, good morning. And I just walk by, you have anything to tell me? You know, like, hey, Pat, you're going to probably end up with broken ribs this weekend. Hey, you're going to end up with a broken ankle this – you might get a concussion this weekend because somehow we couldn't.

And then you did the greatest coaching job I've ever seen in the history of coaching. Josh Freeman, who was on the Coney Island Thrashers, which was a professional football team in a league that I do not know the letters for. Served ice cream at halftime. Soft serve. Okay. Players had to do that.

Smoking six. That was the first round pick? Yeah. He loved ball, though, so much. He was playing for the Coney Island Thrashers. Could throw the ball forever. Didn't know where it was going a lot of times, and I saw him in practice, but in the game, the guy showed up for us. And then also, Uber driver. Who was the Uber driver? Ryan Lindley. Ryan Lindley was brought in

to be quarterback. Boys went out there and got a win. Last week of the year, Josh Freeman, straight out of the Coney Island Thrashers. Ryan Lindley, actually driving Uber the week before. Straight in, they split time, get a big-time win. Chuck Pagano was the leader of that whole thing. And all Chuck told us was, boys, listen, we just shined two guys, had workouts.

Don't judge. We can't judge today, Wednesday. We can't judge Thursday. We can't judge Friday. We can't judge Friday. Let's just worry about Sunday and worry about our own jobs. And the reason why he was saying that is because that first drop back that Josh Freeman took, bang, boom, boom, and he went ahead and he put that thing right off the top of the roof in the barn

that we practiced in. You could have seen the workouts. That's what I told you guys on the Tuesday workout. Like, his were going through the side of the walls, right, hitting nobody, right? Killing frog and T trying to catch him. Equipment manager standing like this, ball going overhead, like, not just a little bit. We're talking, like, so strong. And Lindley was accurate, right?

But it was, like, taking a long time to get to the guys. Two polar opposite guys. So Chuck literally opens a team meeting, don't judge, okay? Mind your own business. I'm trying to to the guys. Telegraph. Two polar opposite guys. So Chuck literally opens a team meeting. Don't judge. Okay? Mind your own business. I'm trying to do the same. This is a message for me and for you guys.

Okay? We are going to win a game. And they absolutely did. It was beautiful. But, yeah, I remember back in practice when I used to spin it, it was the greatest. I used to have so much fun. Remember halftime?

You thought you almost had to go in because we took Josh out? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because that was on the offense. That was offensive coaches. They said, okay, they prepped Ryan to be the two-minute quarterback and take it off of Josh's hands because we started Josh. So Josh did a great job, and then Ryan goes out, and you're on the sideline with Adam.

You look up and see Ryan in the game. He's like, what did you do? Yeah, I said, what happened to Josh Freeman? I go, am i the backup quarterback right now like this guy no offense lindley knows this at the time in which he joined the colts it was a little bit of a little bit of a softer ball now he was able to lead a two minute he went right down the field he went right down the field and scored it was one of the dumbest things of all time but yeah he seemed a little smaller he was in an uber like a week before that so i

thought josh freeman was pulled from the game thought lindley was now our quarterback and i the time but yeah he seemed a little smaller he was in an uber like a week before that so i thought josh freeman was pulled from the game thought lindley was now our quarterback and i immediately thought to myself okay so we've now killed four quarterbacks and now we got a guy who was driving uber three days ago i'm gonna be i'm gonna be playing quarterback yeah you're ready so i go over to clyde christiansen am i the backup quarterback right now? No, no, no. Just two minutes. Just two minutes.

And he goes through all that. I'm like, thank God. I almost shit my pants. I was in a bad spot. I love that Artie Smith joins us. Feels like he's got a good handle on that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

He really does. Feels like he's got a good handle. And Desmond Ritter sounds like the perfect quarterback down there for them. I'm excited to see what they end up doing. Obviously, I don't think anybody's expecting the Atlanta Falcons to win the Super Bowl this year. No, no. But I appreciate the fact that he has come on this show and remained

coming on this show and remained the same exact human. You know what I mean? He hasn't changed much. I think they know that this is going to be a process to build this thing up. Who knows if Calais is going to be there next year or the year after and everything, but I think they believe wholeheartedly that Desmond's the guy of the future, and they're going to ride the waves of them

this year. And it feels like they're always going to be in it. We talk about this with MCDC and Detroit. Artie Smith, it feels like, is perfect for Atlanta. The style of play they have, how gritty they are, him drinking beers in the locker room with the offensive line after. Atlanta might be one of those teams, as long as Artie Smith is there,

that is just always going to be in it, no matter what. They're going to be able to run the ball. The way he sets it up, they're able to do that. You got Bijon on the team for at least the next few years, you would hope. You know what I thought the other night? So this is how they need to fix this whole thing. They need to make running back rookie contracts two years. Ooh, here we go.

That's an easy, right? Yeah. Running back position, just make them two years. Re-up earlier. Yeah. I think that's probably the way to fix that. Next CBA, just like, yeah, if you're a running back contract. Yeah, rookie contracts will only be two years. Re-up earlier. Yeah. I think that's probably the way to fix that. Next CBA, just like, yeah, if you're a running back contract. Yeah, rookie contracts can only be two years or whatever.

I don't know if the NFL is going to necessarily want that, but maybe they will because a lot of guys aren't, you know, like Bijon, aren't like Jonathan Taylor, aren't like great. Normally other guys just kind of fit in. So if their contract is up after two years, you probably are able to do that whole thing. I thought about that the other day. Even three is a huge difference.

Yeah. Because what is a huge difference. Yeah. Because what is it? Four. With a fifth option now if you're in the first round? Bingo. Yeah, but in general, normally it's just a four-year deal. So you just cut that thing in half. Now they get a chance to bite at the apple earlier because their contracts

and their careers are all expiring early. That feels like the easy answer. It's basically what the veteran running back contracts are. They sign them all in four years, but two of it's guaranteed. The NFL makes changes. It may make sense, but it's like, okay, if we do this, and what are the ramifications? What Pandora's box do we open up?

We've got to do this for the running backs, and we've got to do it here, so then they're going to just sit and out. All the other guys are going to be like, well, why can't I get a two-year deal? All the receivers are going to start doing it. All the tight ends are going to want it, and then you're going to want – those guys are going to want to re-up sooner too. Yeah, it's amazing that that's how your immediate thought immediate thought has to be because yeah it does say it feel like a good answer but remember everybody was on the running back side yeah they were you know what i mean they're saying hey can't be

diminishing the running backs i felt like players were more unified about a player in position getting more money about the running backs than ever before now whenever the new cba is up what will the nfl be yeah you know who knows what will happen because everything's cyclical. Maybe the running backs will be back in high demand. And then when the wide receivers aren't, which I don't think will ever happen, but let's just say that is the case, then they'll get pissed off about it. Yeah, I guess it's a never-ending cycle. They just have the rookies come in and they can pick whether they want a two-,

three-, or four-year contract coming in. You want a little more? Yeah, that's what owners will definitely do. The more options the players have, the better, that's what owners will definitely do. The more options the players have, the better is how the owners definitely view things. Speaking of the owners, they did make a move. Obviously, they extended Roger Goodell at 2027.

Congrats, Roger! Congrats. He's 64 years old, I do believe at this moment. Tagliabue retired at 65. The previous one was like 63. So, he's going to be outlasting both the two previous commissioners whenever you talk about age-wise. Still has his fastball. And we saw

him talking. He was three buttons open on his dress shirt. We're talking about Roger Goodell letting a little meat kind of hang out. Maybe he's on his Peloton every morning getting after. I didn't see any now. He's got that super light. It would be like a red I would assume. We would like to let Rog know, yeah, He's got that super light. It would be like a red, I would assume.

We would like to let Raj know, yeah, but I got dark chest hair. My chest hair right now is pretty dark. When it pops out of my shirt, people do notice it and they do get pissed off about it. Hell yeah. Raj Goodell has a nice clean looking, nice V.

Well manicured. He gets his chest waxed every day. He's making $50- $60 million a year. Somebody's doing his chest for him. And obviously he has earned it. Look at how clean that chest is. Wow. Wow.

This guy's letting it hang. He works out now. Absolutely. He stays in great shape. I saw him run a 40 in the office or whatever. He was wide open. I'm like, yo, at your age, that's a hamstring sniper waiting to happen. So congrats to Roger.

Even though he's scared to come on this show. Congrats to our commissioner, Roger Goodell. Another thing that they changed was when the coaching cycle will happen. So they actually made a change to something that I think we all think is smart, but we all assumed would not be possible because the NFL, to make any decisions, normally takes forever. Sources, says Albert Breer, the NFL owners have approved the proposal to delay in-person head coaching interviews involving candidates employed by NFL teams until after the divisional round of the playoffs. Big change designed to slow down

the process. Vote was 32-0. Now, I don't think that's enough. I think they should have pushed it until after the Super Bowl because a lot of the Super Bowl competing coaches are the ones that are getting interviews in other places, and there's zero reason before the biggest game of their lives that they should have to focus on doing an interview with another team. Now, they have to do it because there's only 32 jobs. It's a dream job. It's where you want to go. It's what you've worked for. You win to get that opportunity.

But I thought the NFL should have taken that situation out of it completely, not made teams or coaches feel obligated to do that while they're preparing for the biggest game of their lives with their current team. They do make a little bit of a change here. I think we appreciate this. We like this. And how will coaches react to all this? I think step in the right direction. And I think, like the first interview anyway, it's going to be over Zoom.

They don't have to leave the office. So they're stepping away from their stuff for maybe an hour. And can carve out an hour and it's probably just to get to know you you know hey do i what's do we connect here even though it's zoom it's not in person which is you know whatever but i think i think it's okay and i don't think it's like once that's over they kind of get an idea now hey we can it's more of a who do we eliminate out of the group during that first interview to me who do we kind of okay no no no no here's our five dudes or four dudes three dudes and then we go on the thing i hate i don't appreciate like guys like steichen and gannon okay both offense coordinator and defense coordinator for the philadelphia eagles

are now head coaches in other places. The Colts interviewed like 14, 15 people. I forget the exact number. And there was like four rounds of interviews. 20 hours a piece. It's like Steichen had to do a lot of sit-downs with Chris Ballard and I assume lead counsel, president, whoever it is, when all he should have been focusing on is how do we make the tush-push even better?

For me personally, as a person, if I wasiladelphia eagles player that's what i would rather but i'd also be pumped for my coach getting the opportunity it feels like they're making changes we appreciate that time yeah for sure but i think you're right like i don't know why you wouldn't just still do it after the super bowl because this is this is just going to be kind of the same deal come playoffs this year there's going to be two or three candidates who are the hot names who have their teams in the playoffs, and then we're right back at the same thing. Like Ben Johnson, if the Lions do get in the divisional round,

I imagine he's going to be one of those guys who has a bunch of interviews, and then what, is he going to have to kind of pick and choose? Like, okay, well, three teams want to interview me, but I kind of got to wait and choose who I'm actually going to go actually interview with while I'm also trying to prepare to win our first place. Would be a shame if that happened in a brand-new life. I can't even think about that right now. I would lose my mind if we make it past the divisional.

It's so early in the season. Go interview whoever you need to. Go interview whoever you need to. With that being said, we do got to go now because Ben Johnson's gone after this. Well, Aaron, his name, Aaron Glenn, they keep playing defense like that. It'll be the same thing as the Philly just went through. They could lose both those guys. But to your point, you know, after the division run, you got two weeks, right?

So you're going to do a lot of that prep. So there's a big window there for those guys to go get on a Zoom call. I hope so. Because a lot of those teams, they travel to those guys too. So if there's four or five openings, those teams will go to Ben. They'll go to Detroit. So he doesn't have to actually get on a plane and leave. They'll go to him.

I just don't think it's stupid. Yeah, still got stuff. We're talking ball. All year we're talking ball. The reason we're thinking ball, we're talking ball. Coordinators don't even have to talk to the media that much. I mean, it's just like ball, ball, ball, coach, coach, coach, coach, coach, coach. They probably figure it's going to happen anyway.

Oh, you think people are going to cheat? You know what I mean? Oh, no. Are you talking about tampering, Chuck? We're talking about people. Somebody's going to cheat. There's going to be agents involved. They're tying together.

They're hooking up. Hey, this head coach and this GM, this is your twosome. This is going to bring your franchise a Super Bowl championship in the next three years. Yeah, that's the new thing, right, is the agents are kind of piecing together a GM and a head coach for these teams already. Hey, these two already get along. Don't have to worry about whether or not they get along. We know them. They get along.

This guy will bring in bang. This guy will coach this type of boom. Here's the power struggle they've already set up. 51-49%. This is how this is going to go. Now, if you would like to interview them on whether or not you like them as people, that's a much easier thing. That seems like a natural evolution of the whole hiring process. Just move it after the Super Bowl.

And then people say there's not enough time before the draft. We'll make it a one-week bonanza. We can market this entire thing as the coaching hot stove. Boom. Put it right there and it becomes a thing. Hopefully one day, whenever I'm the commissioner of the NFL, that will all take place.

Let's talk about a coach that lied to his employer. Mike McCarthy, if you do recall. He set up a fake team meeting in his basement in Green Bay. I don't know if you heard about this. The era of Tom Pellicero of NFL Network was a part of this entire con, we will say. Now, we are big Mike McCarthy fans. He's a yinzer who has done great and has never lost his accent. Anytime a Pittsburgher gets out of Pittsburgh and has success, normally there's going to be people that tell him, you can't speak the way you speak. You're going to have to change that don to a down,

and you're going to have to start speaking a little less mumbly whenever you talk. Big Mike McCarthy has remained a yinzer throughout his entire stint as an NFL head coach. Wins the Super Bowl with the Green Bay Packers. Has a street named after him in Green Bay. Then when it's his time to step away from the Green Bay Packers, he has won into disappearance. Then a couple years later, we see Tom Pellicero with this piece where he said, what if I told you, like an ESPN 30 for 30, what if I told you that big Mike McCarthy has been living life as if he's a head coach every single day since he left the Green Bay Packers? He went on a full, this is a pseudo team meeting. Mike McCarthy actually draws up motivational speeches every single morning

for if he was to still be speaking to his team. Then they had like sad music over it. His big mic was like, we lost the game today. How am I going to do it? It was a big, it got us hook, line, and sinker. I'm like, of course this Yinzer is excited to still be coaching. He needs a job. So then he goes to Dallas Cow Cowboys and he tells Jerry Jones right

to his face, I'll watch every single one of Dak Prescott's plays. Every single one. I've been coaching every single day since I got out of here. And Jerry Jones is like, I love this guy. This guy just eats, breathes, and sleeps football all day, every day. This guy needs to be leading the Cowboys. He's from Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Dallas back in the day, whatever.

Green Bay, Dallas, whatever. But this is the right guy. You're talking about a guy? What's going on over there? You're talking about a guy that has been in his basement being a coach for these two years? He hasn't had a job? That's the type of guy I want. That's all in.

So in the first press conference, Big Mike goes, yeah, I mean, I told Jarrett I watched every single Dak Prescott play, but I won the job. So just like openly said that. And then he said, yeah, Tom Pelissero basically said I was doing a certain – that was like once a month, Halloween. Yeah, every now and then. Yeah, we just did a little nostalgia thing. So Big Mike hustled his way back into being a head coach, and I'm pumped about that. But now he is getting the opportunity to realize that being a Dallas Cowboy

head coach is a little bit different than being a head coach anywhere else. And having a quarterback like Dak Prescott, who is so highly scrutinized, is a little bit different than being a head coach anywhere else. And having a quarterback like Dak Prescott, who is so highly scrutinized, is a little bit different than being a coach of even Montana, Ronald Jones, Favre, all the guys he's coached in the past. Here's him with Shine, Shine on Sports, on Mad Dog Sports Radio. You wanted it. You asked for it. There it is.

You got it. Here's Big Mike McCarthy talking about Dak Prescott in the media coverage of him. How would you characterize Dak Prescott as your quarterback? I love Dak Prescott as our quarterback. I think the way he's built all the way through, obviously his physical skill set is excellent, but what he endures mentally and emotionally

compared to the other 31 is unique. I've never seen, and speaking on experience of being around great quarterbacks, I've never seen a quarterback under a microscope like he is. And just his consistency and his personality and work ethic and how he handles all that and navigates all that and gets out and performs every week. I think it's a special way he has to endure. I think his interaction has gotten worse

somehow since leaving Pittsburgh, which I appreciate. He's got to deal with all that. When you're talking about the media and the fans and that, you're talking about gummy bands and buggies. This guy's awesome. Chuck, I saw you make a face.

Yeah, that was weird. He's been more scrutinized than any of the other quarterbacks he's ever coached. You don't believe him? You think Big Mike McCarthy's a liar? You don't think that's the case? Whoa. You think Dak Prescott deserves it? Go ahead, Chuck.

Add your name into the list of people that Micah Parsons is going to attack like you're Ocho on his podcast, Chuck. I'm not going there. Hey, much is given, much is required, right? Whoa. So, Chuck, he does get scrutinized a bunch, but I don't think any more than any other quarterback in this league. I think you're wrong. The only reason why I think you're wrong is because, like,

Molly said it this morning on first take, because Dan Orlovsky was trying to make this guy. I know. I know. Dan-o. In his bag. He was. He had glasses on today. Hell of a

year so far. He looks so... Hey, Dano, keep going, Dano. Keep going, Orlovsky. But Dan said basically something similar to what you said, and Molly stopped him pretty much and was like, as the host of First Take, I will say that we certainly talk about Dak a lot more than we talk about

anybody else. And then I guess undisputed on Fox, from what I've been told, maybe a couple hours of Dallas Cowboys talk on one particular program. The Dallas Cowboys are on primetime every single week. They are going to get talked about more than any other team. So I guess in proportion to the exposure that they have versus other teams, they're going to get talked about. But Dak Prescott, I mean, he got drafted what round?

Third? Third round. Fourth round? Fourth round. Fourth round guy, okay, becomes the starter, kicks Tony Romo to the booth, which we're all very thankful for. And then now he is all of a sudden the face of the most marketed team in the NFL.

Yeah, he's going to get scrutinized. That's how it's going to be. But we pride ourselves on being a program that we say that's good player yeah he's good player good ball right now and the programs that you mentioned yeah they talk about them because one they're told to and two even a loves talking to cowboys and skip is was a dallas cowboys beat writer right and grew up in the cowboy so yeah they talk about him a bunch but But I think everyone else is very, very, very fair with Dak, I think, personally. Well, I think anytime you're in front of the most eyeballs,

you're going to get the most coverage. And that is what the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones has accomplished as being the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. And I think he's also on the television. I think he's a part of the television committee in the NFL negotiating TV deals. So whether or not networks are like, we should play Cards Against Humanity here. We should play the person that is dealing this.

We should definitely do that. But they also draw numbers. So whenever you talk about the Dallas Cowboys, it draws numbers. That's why a lot of people on TV are told, hey, you talk Dallas Cowboys. LeBron James. Of course. Tim Tebow. Sure. Then Dallas Cowboys. That's right. LeBron James. Of course. Tim Tebow. Sure.

Then Dallas Cowboys. Right. LA Lakers. Okay. Good idea. Tim Tebow. Okay. And then you go to a break.

Yep. And then guess what? After that break comes. Yeah. What are we doing? Dak Prescott. Yep. Dallas Cowboys.

Okay. Oh. LeBron James right makes sense Anthony Davis yep Michael Jordan no

okay whoa Michael Jordan versus those two okay yeah because you just did and then guess what Tim Tebow

yeah and then we gotta get out of here and don't forget maybe the Jets every once in a while Aaron Rodgers Dallas Cowboys no that is like the TV method

because they draw numbers so Dak Prescott has to know that because he's the Dallas Cowboys. No, that is like the TV method because they draw numbers. So Dak Prescott has to know that because he's the Dallas Cowboys quarterback, he's going to be talked about a lot. He's also going to be in prime time and get a lot of opportunities. I don't think Dak Prescott is telling Mike McCarthy to tell people that. I think that's just Big Mike being transparent and saying, whoa, this is a different ballgame down here in Dallas. We got people watching our practice that we don't even know.

I mean, this is a whole different world. But if they go on to win down there, Dak Prescott, Big Mike McCarthy, they'll put statues up of them around Arlington and around Dallas. And that's what you sign up for. And I'm happy for Dak and the way he's handled it. And I'm happy that he was able to bounce back. Now, with that being said, Micah Parsons is not happy with what everybody's saying about the Dallas Cowboys.

No, he's not. He went on his podcast called The Edge, Micah Parsons is not happy with what everybody's saying about the Dallas Cowboys. No, he's not. He went on his podcast called The Edge with Micah Parsons, a Bleacher Report pod. And obviously, Micah's been on our show, I think, one month ago. We had great conversations with him. He told us he's acting like an actual animal this year. He said, I want everybody to know I'm an animal. He's growling at people. He's barking at people.

His celebration is on all fours like he's an animal. And obviously, last week at the end of the game before Stephon Gilmore's interception, he got a massive sack for the Dallas Cowboys. That's what he does. He also is not scared to speak. Here's him talking about the Dallas Cowboys being talked about by everybody. I just don't condone the bashing of Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys and have the same energy for the Eagles we want the same energy for everybody because there's a whole

bunch of bashing when it's Dak Prescott but not the same when it's the Eagles I got time today a lot of people said the Browns defense was overhyped I said the Browns are the real deal Icho said this which pissed me off I'm not worried about the 49ers. They were missing Christian McCaffrey, Debo Samuel. The Browns were missing Deshaun Watson, Nick Chubb. They were missing them key factors before the game even started. So why is it that we are just scrubs and we're nobodies that don't deserve to be on the field and we're just all talk?

But there's a hundred excuses for these other teams. If y'all just want to hate Cowboys Nation, just say, y'all hate Cowboys Nation. I'm tired of people trashing my quarterback. I'm tired of people trashing my team. And that's why I had nothing to say to the media this week. You want to hear me talk? Come to hear me talk on The Edge Monday night.

And that's Point Bay period. Hilarious. Unreal. Absolutely hilarious. Good promo. The Browns are like, well, I don't know how we fit into this whole thing, but I get what you were saying. And we appreciate you pointing out

the fact that sometimes we pick and choose what information to give whenever we're backing it. How do we feel about Michael Parsons going to bat for his teammate? Love that. Yeah. Love that. Using his platform to say, hey, you just like hockey? Oh, I have to fight you because of what you said.

But then also saying at the end, you want to hear from me? Monday nights, the edge, right here. This is where I'll talk. Not a bad savvy businessman there. No, genius. It's a point I'm in television now, especially because of the fact that for, yeah, internet, excuse me, that continue to be talked about. But every quarterback gets bashed like this.

I don't know why we're just saying, Dak, I understand that it's to a greater scale maybe, but like, think about some of the storylines early in the year. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles aren't the same. Brock Purdy, anyone can do it. Tua, we just heard, anyone can do it. Those are some of the storylines early in the year. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles aren't the same. Brock Purdy, anyone can do it. Tua, we just heard anyone can do it. Those are three of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Across the board, it feels like quarterbacks do get bashed.

Now, obviously, when you're Dak Prescott and they do lose to the only other team or I guess one of the only other teams in their conference by 32 points, that is going to be the game that they reference. But I love Micah doing this, and the Cowboys are going to be fine because of the fact that they can play great defense. It's hot as hell in here, isn't it? It's very. Yeah, it's a little toasty. What's this all about?

Especially comparatively. So I'm wearing sleeves today for the first time. That could be. First time, long time. Wife bought me the shirt, you know? Good-looking shirt. Nice. And I said to myself, when the weather changes, thank you.

And she thanks you, too. Good color. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I think my wife enjoys the tank said to myself, when the weather changes, thank you. And she thanks you too. Good color. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I think my wife enjoys the tank top every day, but also like maybe. Change it up a sleeve. You know? Maybe we buy you clothes that aren't $6.

You know, that's kind of, I believe, how my wife potentially views it. But I will say, I don't know how you guys do it. I'm sweating my ass off in this thing right now. These pits need to breathe a little bit. Outside, gloomy, doomy, cold. In the Thunderdome, it's just heating up, isn't it? Oh, yeah, it is. Well, and I think that's why.

It's tough. We all have to kind of relearn this. When it is a little chilly outside, we come in here, and it might be time to lower the thermostat a little bit. You normally keep it in here. Because I think it's like 69, though. It's normally unhealthily cold. It's supposed to be

55. I'm freezing. I'm freezing. When I sit back there. You know why? That thing's blowing right on my neck. I'm probably going to be sick. And I'm 63. I can't afford to be sick. I'm with you, Chuck. Put your ass in a home if you keep complaining. Jeez, Luis. Listen, he did sound soft, but we don't need to Put your ass in a home if you keep complaining. Jeez, Luis.

What? Listen, he did sound soft, but we don't need to put his ass in a home. This guy's on a Peloton every morning. Joining us now live from an attic in Ohio is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, father of 10, COVID survivor, A.J. Hall. Hey, A.J. A.J., good to see you, pal.

Great to see you guys. Great to see Chuck in studio. I know he's killing it on Thursday night, so I'm going to probably follow him today. That's a smart idea. I will have him go first, as I normally do, and we can just follow suit. He's 5-1 against the spread on Thursday Night Football Picks. Let's keep it going, Chuck. What's that?

Is that five, man? Let's go, Chuck. Five, man. Let's go, picks. Let's keep it going, Chuck. What's that? Is that five, man? Let's go, Chuck. Let's go, Chuck. Let's keep it going. Joining us now is a coach who's considered the greatest of all time by every human that has ever watched college football. He's a guy who joins us every single week. And a couple weeks ago, he gave me a full scholarship to Alabama. Ladies and gentlemen,

a man who just got a massive win over Arkansas. Didn't cover, though. Yikes. Only one by three, not 20. So was it an actual win? You tell me. And this weekend has the third Saturday in October, a massive game against Tennessee at home.

Ladies and gentlemen, seven times, Coach Nick Saban. How you doing, Coach? Great. How are you doing? Only one by three doing, Coach? Great. How are you doing? Only one by three. That's a loss. How are you doing this week? No, I'm joking. Let's talk about that Arkansas game. What did you learn from your team in that win?

Got close. Got hairy. What did you learn from the boys down there? Well, we got ahead 24-6 in the game and sort of lost our collective focus in the game. And, you know, I think it's a great lesson for everybody to learn that, you know, when you have the right sort of mental intensity and focus, how well you play.

And then when you lose that for whatever reasons, scoreboard, get relieved, relief syndrome, I call it, like we got this. You know, how people can take advantage of, you know, that lack of intensity that you play with. So hopefully that's a lesson that our players learned. And they learned that they have to play one play at a time for 60 minutes in the game, which everybody's heard that a thousand times, but it's still the truth. Cliches are a cliche for a reason. You know, that's just kind of, they're true. That is why they are cliches. That's why they are said, and you got to hammer it home for everybody. Do you

agree with the notion that normally the Alabama teams of the past that have been successful have entered week one playing like dominant football, their best football. This year, it's a little bit of a different story. A lot of growth we're seeing. Even this last week in the second half, kind of getting settled. A lot of growth. Do you feel that? Do you see that with this team, that this is like the most, I don't want to say coaching, but the most growth and development

that your teams have had in a long time in one season? I think I agree with that. I think this team, being a younger team, maybe not the experience and maturity of some of the teams in the past, and especially at what I call leadership positions. And I think that I'm very pleased with the way this team has developed. Now, we still have lots of room to grow, and that's something that we're embracing the challenge on. I love coaching this team.

They've got good relationships. They like each other. They support each other. But there's some competitive maturity, like we just talked about, not getting relief syndrome in a game. I am being able to play for 60 minutes that we still need to learn how to do. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, you say that relief syndrome, in a game and being able to play for 60 minutes that we still need to learn how to do. Go ahead, AJ.

Coach, you say that relief syndrome, which I've never really heard it termed like that. It makes a lot of sense when you say it, but how difficult is it playing with a lead? Obviously, it's a great position to be in. You want to be playing from a lead, but we see it all the time, especially if a team jumps out to an early lead. What are you going to do, I guess, to kind of keep your foot on the gas and not kind of let human nature take over? I think, you know, we talk about this all the time. You know, how are you impacted by external factors? The scoreboard is an external factor in the game. So you get behind in the game, you put your foot on the gas and play harder or better or whatever.

gas and play harder or better or whatever. You get ahead in the game. You get relieved and don't play as well. But neither one of those are good things to do. If you're trying to be the best player that you can be, who you're playing against, what the team's record is, what the score in the game is, none of those things should really matter. I tell players all the time, when I was in the NFL, they made me a cut up of you. I didn't know who you're playing against, I didn't know what the score of the game was, but I was evaluating how you played every play in that game. So if it's your goal to be the best player you can be, so maybe you have an opportunity to develop a career as a football player, why would you let any of these external factors impact and affect

how you play, how you focus, how you keep mental intensity and energy up to be the best that you can be? I don't, I don't. So that's, that's one of the ways that I do it. It's the most common way to do it. Hey, always talking about people's money or future money is a good way, you know, to kind of get to the bottom, especially if that is potentially a goal or a dream to change an entire generation for your family. You know, coaches sometimes change, though, too, Coach. You know, like they always talk about prevent defense or not being as aggressive whenever you get the lead. Is that something that you talk to your coordinators about? Is that something that's just understood, or how do you handle that situation?

Oh, absolutely. You know, you want to stay aggressive in the game and until the circumstances in the game change, like it's four minutes at the end of the game. Like we did a good job of that, keeping the ball for five minutes at the end of the game and not giving it back to Arkansas. That's that situation changes kind of what you do and how you go about what you're doing. But the rest of the game, you want to stay aggressive and let the players play and do what you prepare them to do. And, you know, I always use the analogy with players like, what if? Okay, what if you played to be the best player

that you could be? What if you supported your teammates all the time? What if you were a good leader and you affected somebody else by the example that you set? All those things are things that you can control on a day-to-day basis. After the fact, you always say, if only I would have done this. If only I would have prepared better. If only I would have supported my teammates better. Well, you can't do anything about that. Then you can do everything about what's happening now.

You know, I used to talk to guys about the church of what's happening now, man. You got to affect the moment, all right, in terms of what you're doing every day in preparation and every opportunity that you get so that you have a chance to be the best player you can be. Did you say the church of what's happening now? The church of what's happening now, yeah. Amen. I like that church.

I like that church. I'm trying to live in a moment. My brain isn't big enough to live anywhere else, but I am certainly a servant? No, a servant of the church of what's happening now, and I will be forever. Let's talk about the game this weekend before the boys have a couple questions for you, Coach. Obviously, last year, Tennessee, Alabama, third Saturday in October, ended with a goal post getting taken down to a river that I jumped in hours before that. This year, a little bit different team.

The Tennessee team looks vastly different than they did last year. Your team looks vastly different than it did last year. What's the message you're telling the boys about this Tennessee game? And what do you see from this Tennessee team versus last year's team? Well, I think the big thing for our guys is, you know, we have played well when, you know, we're a little bit upset and have an edge to us. And that's something that we have to go in this game with. I thought we played the game last year with a lot of anxiety. There was a lot on the line.

A lot of guys put a lot of pressure on themselves. We don't really want to go there. You know, we want to keep an edge about how we compete, how we focus, how we play, because the way they play challenges you to do that. You know, when they go fast on offense, they run 2.7 plays a minute. All right, that's completely different for a defensive player. It's a difficult preparation because you can't get the scout team to do it right, you know, during the week of practice. And they're going to go fast, and you have to be able to get lined up on defense and not make mental mistakes and be able to

execute and do what you do. You also can't substitute in the game, all right, because they're not going to allow you to substitute on third down. So a third down package is something else that you have to be able to execute with the people in the game. Their defense is very aggressive. They've got good pass rushers, and we're going to have to do a good job of controlling the ball, try to keep it away from them some all right so they

don't want 100 plays in a game and um you know it's going to come down to fundamental execution on offense which has been our little bit of a achilles heel in terms of our consistency is playing with good fundamental execution i don't care if it's offensive line receivers pass protection quarterback execution whatever you want to talk about. It's good at times, but we have to be consistent. You know, success is defined by consistency and performance. You do that by having great knowledge. And to get the knowledge, you've got to go through bumps in the road.

So you've got to learn from your mistakes. You can't waste a failing and keep moving in the right direction, which I think a lot of our players have done that well this year. And with that knowledge and experience, then you communicate better. And that communication helps everybody on your unit play better. Because a lot of times when we have mental errors and mistakes, it comes from lack of communication, which can come from lack of confidence, which can come from lack of knowledge. All right, so all those things become really, really important in games like this so you can stay focused.

Coach, every time you get rolling right there, I feel like I've become a better human. You need to know that. Yeah, I feel like I've become a better human with the way. Well, the reason why you have a lack of confidence, though, is probably because you have a lack of knowledge, which is probably a cause of a lack of work, which means we can really break this entire thing down from a small point of what are you doing right now

in this church that we're living in. Amen. Coach, I wish I could. I know I'm on scholarship now, but I wish I could have got a chance to play for you. I don't know what I would do if I had these types of messages every single day. Is the equipment manager charged with spotting the ball?

And how many times has he been chewed out or potentially questioned this week as you get ready for the fast team? He's been chewed out a few times. Yeah. If we could get the ball said, I believe that has probably been said a few times. Tone has a question for you, Coach.

Coach, a lot has been made this week in the NFL that scoring is down lowest in like 10 years. I saw that college football scoring is also down. Is there any reason that you think that may be? Is it just that defenses are catching up to the spread and potentially the tempo? Is it the new timing rules? Is there a reason that you think college football scoring might be down?

You know, that's surprising to me. I wasn't really aware of that. rules is there a reason that you think college football scoring might be done it's you know that's surprising to me i wasn't really aware of that um haven't really thought about it um i know that scoring has been going up probably for the last 10 years yeah probably because of tempo probably because of some of the rules in college football that created rpos blocking behind the line of scrimmage if the ball's thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Those are huge advantages for offense and creates a lot of run-pass conflicts for defensive players. But I do think that people on defense are doing different things to try to sort of equal

the playing field. And I think one of the things that, you know, the Ravens started doing maybe five years ago is a lot of simulated pressures. And, you know, this gives offense a problem because somebody's rushing that's not supposed to be rushing and somebody's dropping who's supposed to be rushing. So that kind of messes them up a little bit on some of these things that they're trying to do offensively.

And we do that a little bit, but it gets a little harder to do it when you don't have the right personnel on the field. Okay, have college defenses got more sophisticated over time here the last like 10 years, do you think? I think so. I absolutely think so. I think that, you know, when people started going no huddle, defenses got simpler. And I think now because we've all adapted to that, like we don't even we don't even have like the first page of the notebook used to be. This is how we get in the huddle. We don't even have that page anymore. Goes and stands where they line up and gets a signal from the sidelines and goes and tries to execute so in games like this every player on the defense has to know the signal we don't have time to communicate it across the board or even have a signal caller to tell

everybody what the call is so i think we've gotten and and in doing that we've been able to do more things that way like one word calls like i used to think if you called a defense, like when I was a defensive coordinator at the Cleveland Browns, I thought if I called base-closed, triple-88-6 Bronco, that was telling everybody what to do on every formation. If you try to make that call now against a fastball team, no way. Before Bronco even gets out, that ball is snapped. You just have a one-word call for that.

Buckeye. Okay? Buckeye. All right? So, and I'm saying, well, the players will never remember all that. Well, they actually do it better that way than the other way. Because the other way, they were thinking about 15 different things. This way, they're thinking about one thing and just applying it to whatever it is they see when that happened when that

happened coach uh when old miss beat us two out of three years going fast i can't take it anymore what do we need to do i love it go ahead aj coach on the flip side for for an offense you hear coaches or people talk about on TV that you have to have a balanced attack between your run and pass game. Does that have as much weight as people, I think, give it? Do you have to have a balanced attack, or isn't the offense just kind of taking

what the defense will give them? Well, I think that ideally, you would like to have a balanced attack because the whole philosophy behind that is the run game is going to help the pass game the pass game is going to help the run game so if you have that balance that's going to be a good thing but i do agree with you that you really do have to take what the defense gives you and you don't want to run negative plays into bad looks so the more you can eliminate that through having the right call whether it's run to pass or run to run negative plays into bad looks. So the more you can eliminate that through having the

right call, whether it's run to pass or run to run, that obviously helps, you know, a lot. But I also think on offense, you have to feature the players you have. On defense, you have to play a system because it has to adapt to a lot of things, a lot of different offensive things that you're going to see. But on offense, you have to do what the players you have can do and feature the talent that you have. And if that requires passing the ball a lot because that's the kind of team you have, then to me that's what you should do. If you have a big old offensive line

and people are going to play nickel defense all the time and they're small and you can run it, then that's what your team can do. That's what you should do. So on offense, you have to feature the talent that you have. The thought of you looking at Derrick Henry before every single game and then looking at the other team and just going, yeah, we're going to run the ball. We should.

I mean, they can't tackle the guys. Good thing. Let's talk about your quarterback. We do this every single week, and I think I have enjoyed kind of the flow of the season for Mr. Milrow because of how he performed. Then the benching happens against USF. Then he comes back. You see great leadership out of him.

You see great confidence out of him. The conversation about him was like, okay, this is old school Alabama football, just like it was when Trent Richardson was there, just like when Derrick Henry was there. They're going to be pounding the rock. Now this dude's throwing for 300 yards. He's opening up the pass thing. The deep ball is like one of the most explosive plays you guys have, and it happens in abundance. What have you learned from him,

and how much more growth does he have this season, you think, as the Alabama quarterback? I think Jaylen has done an outstanding job of communicating, showing leadership with his teammates. I think his teammates have grown confident in him, which I think is important. It would be important to all of us if we're playing on a team that everybody believes in you, trusts in you, you have great relationships with the people that you're playing.

I think that creates a lot of positive things, and I think that has developed for us offensively. I think it's developed with the passing game. We still have things to clean up. We could still be a little more consistent in the passing game, but we have made a lot of explosive plays. And I think that's something that we want to continue to be able to do. But to, you know, AJ's point before, when you run the ball effectively, those explosive plays sometimes are out there for you to get

because of the way they're playing you on defense. Yeah, it feels like everybody's kind of hesitant because they're scared to death that Milrow is going to do his thing, and then all of a sudden that leaves a lot of time for your weapon. You got speed. Hey, we got speed. Not as many big names at wide receiver, but we got some speed that's been able

to be exposed some defenses. Hey, coach, they counted you out, didn't they? Hey, they counted Alabama out just a few weeks ago. Now we're growing. That capability gap is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Favored by eight and a half this weekend. You don't win by that, everybody thinks you're a loser. Ty has a question for you, Coach.

Yeah, Coach, post-game, you made a comment. It was something to the effect of, like, we need to learn how to beat teams and not just win games. But I'm just curious, like, do you take any solace or comfort in the fact that your team does know how to win close games? Because I feel like that is a trait that all great teams possess. Yeah, I think that's true. I think our team is showing great resiliency and being able to win games. And I think that's really, really important. And I wouldn't trade that for anything. But there is a difference between beating the other team and winning the game. Because if you beat the other team, it means you were able to impose your will

on the individual that you played against and you did it collectively as a team, which in essence is what you would love to have happen, to see your team play the way they're capable of playing. So that's something that, you know, we want to continue to try to instill, you know, in our players, that we want to impose our will on the opposition, regardless of what the score is. Don't have to be behind to do it. We still do it when we're ahead. don't have to be behind to do it we still do it when we're ahead because you know you know i mean i think the colorado game was a great example of you know a little bit what happened to us last week you had 29 nothing in the game you know guys lose their mental intensity their focus

and then the game starts to change and the momentum swings and you can't get it back all right so you have to learn how to sustain and grind through it and continue to impose your will so you never lose that the other team's gonna make plays you gotta play the next play and everybody's gotta learn how to do that but um i like the fact that our team has resiliency and they've been able to learn to win close games do you talk to coach prime during this season at all or not really? I have not, but he is a great friend and I root for him all the time. His speech he gave after the game was just like, that was the first time,

you know, because he is a, you know, he's a hard-ass coach. I don't think people really understand that about accountability and everything. And he just kind of was fed up with them and say, hey, we're practicing tomorrow. We're getting back in there. Not that you have that on the horizon with this alabama team but how do you get that bad taste out of a team's mouth like what is the immediate next day's messaging and how do you move on from something as devastating as that i think that's one thing great about being in competitive sports you always have a next opportunity.

And as long as you can look forward and take advantage of the opportunities that you have in the future and not dwell on the past, like, you know, you've heard me say this before, but we have a 24-hour rule around here. All right, we win, 24 hours, it's over. We got to get ready for the next game. We lose, 24 hours, it's over.

We got to get ready for the next game. We lose. 24 hours, it's over. We got to get ready for the next game. So I think, though, that it's actually more difficult in this day and age for players to deal with success than it is failure. You know, most of the time when you have failure, people respond really, really well. But sometimes when you're successful, it can be an enemy of how you stay focused and what you do to prepare. And you become, using that same term, relieved. All right, we won the game. I should be able to take it easy. I sold my 10-car quota. I should get my trip to the Bahamas. I mean, that's how people think. You can't think like that in competitive sports. i heard you got a great car dealership down there too i

heard you're in the car game a little bit i i fancy myself a car person as well not the cars you have though hey not the cars you i remember we have a couple ferraris rolling around down there is that right it's one we had two but we traded two on that we wanted which is the way it worked with ferrari listen to this just a west virginia boy rolling around in a ferrari being called the goat you're the man we appreciate the hell out of you joining us i appreciate it man but i want everybody to know i started in a pickup truck an orange one and uh i used to go scrape the ball diamond with my dad and you know a lot of the things that i learned about accountability came from that pickup truck i'm sure you're taking care of that ferrari now because of that pickup truck we appreciate the hell out of you ladies

gentlemen coach saving thank you man he gets preaching in there oh yeah he gets going it's good yeah it really is it's hard not to just get lost in there i am yeah i do and i'm always like oh the conversation has to continue after this answer though so let's let's pay attention here i was like just stop and clap a couple times like all right let's pivot away from that he has so many in there chuck you know what i mean there's so many in there just from all the years of coaching especially with the way he is and one of the first ones he talks about how you know know, sports psychologist, sports psychiatrist, he's not scared to take ideas or mental notes from people and books and everything.

He's always grasping for ways to motivate the boys. Feels like he's got it figured out, Chuck. Feels like he's got it figured out. He brings in, during the offseason, multiple guest speakers, motivational guys. I mean, and so he just finds ways to keep teaching his message from different, just to, like, okay, it may seem to get old, and then he brings somebody in, Ernie Johnson, okay, brings Ernie in,

and he talks, and he delivers the same exact message that Coach has been delivering. So it just legitimizes everything that Coach is talking about, process, 60 minutes, all you got, one play, all that stuff we say cliche. But you just got to figure out different ways to get your message across and keep teaching the same thing so you're not all over the place. And he does a phenomenal job of bringing people in to just reinforce those messages.

The church of what's happening now. That's unreal. Amen. A.J. Hawk, amen. Let's talk about what's happening now around the NFL. Former teammate of yours, I do believe, friend of yours, never been on the program, but I have met him a few times. Las Vegas Raider wide receiver Devontae Adams spoke after this last weekend's

big win over the New England Patriots about the offensive efficiency and his role inside of it. And boy, it is certainly generating some headlines. Here's the full presser and full quote, not just being read, from Devontae Adams. I mean, it's a work in progress. Obviously, we're going to continue to work through it. But, I mean, I'm a human being, and I have extremely high standards for myself and this offense. So, to me, it's not just about, you know, I'm sure people are thinking, like, you know,

well, they won the game, they won the Packers game, why is there an issue? I mean, you see why it's an issue. You know, y'all should know who I am, know what I'm about at this point. So it's not about, when you're a player like me, mentally, my benchmark is not wins and losses, it's greatness. So when I go out there, I expect to be able to have that ability to put that on tape and have an influence on the game. And that's, like I say, every week, that's my purpose for being here. I'm not here just to hang out and, you know, like I said, come here to hang out with

Derek and all of that stuff from last year. I came here to win and to do it the right way. So if, I mean, if it don't look like it's supposed to look, then, I mean, I'm going to be frustrated if I'm not a part of that plan. Because, have the opportunity to go and make, to change that and make it look like a much better pitcher out there. And if that doesn't happen, then I'm going to be frustrated. If Jacoby goes out and have a monster game or if the offense is scoring every five plays like our first drive on the Bills, then it is what it is. It's not about me, but I'm one of the bigger pieces

as to why this offense is going to go. And if I'm not getting it, then that's obviously not according to plan. So we want to obviously keep working like we are to get that right. So some of the ways that press conference was put onto the internet with some of the quotes, obviously not with the entirety, there's a lot of people saying, Devontae Adams won, all he cares about is he didn't get the ball. Now, that

press conference was quite a rollercoaster of emotions of how you feel about what he's saying, but I think the most important part, he said, if Jacoby Myers is going to get six catches, touchdowns, and we're going to be an effective offense, and we're going to win, you're going to hear nothing from me. I think his big message was like, yeah, our offense is a work

in progress. We need to get better. And I was brought in here to be a massive piece of this offense. So I'm never going to be happy or satisfied when our offense is cropped and we're winning games moving forward. A lot of people are trying to make him look selfish. I think he's actually taking a view of the entire team, the entire offense, and talking as if a quarterback would talk about the whole thing. Your thoughts on what Devontae Adams said there?

Isn't it as easy as just throw the ball to the guy? Isn't that just kind of what Aaron almost said whenever he was playing with the 17? Yeah, he's kind of that guy where if he's out there, even if it looks like someone's over the top, hey, just give Devontae a chance. He'll probably come down with it. I guess I could see how people could take this many different ways, but at least how I took it when I first saw it and watched the whole thing that he's saying like yeah we're not satisfied just squeaking by and winning and not scoring a bunch of points and all this like we are better than we're showing and like the greatness thing he's I took it as hey we're not

satisfied we're not just trying to win games by a little like we're not just trying to squeak out these victories and whether I'm getting the ball or not he's basically saying hey if we're losing and our offense has put up no points and i have two targets like that's an issue like we need to give me the ball a little bit more hey davante very good for a long time oh yeah his move to the raiders was interesting we all thought it was very interesting when allegedly we don't know for sure we could assume that this is the case because it's been reported i guess but davante hasn't come out and said. The Green Bay Packers paid him more, I think, or offered him more to stay in Green Bay once the Las Vegas offer came in

for him to be a Raider and get traded away. He decided to go back there. I think he was a Raiders fan growing up, obviously wanted to see new scenes. I think he said he wanted to see what life was like out from underneath, the whole conversation being the MVP quarterback and see how I can do. Derek Carr was obviously last year.

That ends up not working out, even though it seems to be working out with the Saints. This year, Jimmy G comes in. He's out. Hoyer does okay. He's out. Aiden Connell was in there. Jimmy G is back. What do you think from Devontae Adams for the rest of the season,

and how do they go about getting that Green Bay Packer Devontae Adams on their team on a regular basis? Well, that's what stinks is when they actually give him opportunities, he still is that guy. When they actually go into a game and make it a focal point of, again, like AJ's saying, like Aaron has said, it doesn't matter who's on him. It doesn't matter if he's getting doubled.

We need to give this guy at least 15 targets because he will produce. But he could have never imagined. I mean, what? You just mentioned all those guys in his second year with the Raiders, and he's already played with five quarterbacks, so he's never really getting the opportunity to kind of create that same kind of chemistry that he had with Rodgers. I think this is also a testament to Rodgers, too.

Whoa. Of course you're going to say that. No, just like this show of course he was always he was always healthy you know it's like you you he was always playing with the same guy so like and yeah obviously rogers is amazing but like jimmy g already this year it's like he gets hurt then he comes back and he's good and then he gets hurt and then he's out in the game like it's just if you're trying to like build chemistry with a guy you've never played with before, I don't know how you fix that. The first

two years of Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, he would come on and we'd run some plays from the game. We would do it this year, but obviously he's not playing. So the only plays we could see is him before the game, somehow 30-some days after a surgery being able to do it. So we've got to do that. But there was a couple plays with Devontae Adams where there was

no signal given. No. Was not the play. Just, like, a look and then, like, a look and then, like, yeah, we're running a completely different play than everybody else. His football IQ is so high. So I assume Devontae is, like, I know every coverage that we're playing against.

We can easily make this thing work every single time. I'm not really getting the opportunity to do that thus far. And I think every time he speaks about it publicly, he's not just speaking to the fans. I think it's also to like, hey, we need, you know, let's. And he's used to, he played with Aaron Rodgers for so long as well. And Aaron can do things that not really anyone on the planet can do and how he can get rid of the ball and where he can place the ball and all that and nothing against who

he's played with since Aaron but like you said it's just so many different guys like how do you have that continuity and that you know where all of a sudden we give each other a look and we know hey he knows what I'm running here we go we can trust each other let's do it like it just takes time to do that and you don't have the same guy over and over again it's tough it's crazy that they were able to look at each other and go you remember in 2013 when it got played against us like this yep in the first quarter of the fourth game of the season yep all right yeah exactly like they're just both on the same page it's like hopefully they'll be able to develop that because when davante's, it's must-see TV. The catches are bananas. The moxie.

The yak. His yak is legit, too, for being a big guy as well. Like, it's crazy. So hopefully they'll get that thing rolling. But I don't know if anything has told us that that offense is going to get flowing like we thought that it could be. I think he's talking to Jimmy G. Because last year with Derek Carr, he had 100 catches for 1,500 yards and 14 touchdowns.

He was the second most targeted wide receiver in the league. Then the coaching staff is the same. The only thing that's changed is Jimmy G versus Derek Carr. I think he's personally just talking to Jimmy G like, throw me the ball. Yeah, Derek Carr, interesting. Got kicked out of the building last year, right? Now he's down at the Saints. They're favored by the Jags tonight, Thursday Night Football.

We have a little bit of an update here on this particular Thursday Night Football game from Adam Schefter. Jacksonville head coach Doug Peterson told Ed Werder, shout to Ed Werder, covering the Cowboys, been around a long time, that he expects Jaguars quarterback Trevor Lawrence will start tonight against the Saints pending a pregame workout.

Lawrence has reported improvement in his mild left knee sprain. Okay, here we go. We assumed that with the chatter that it has been, that Trevor played earlier in the show. We said with this much talk on a short week, this early in the season, that position, that guy for that team,

they would already have rolled him out. Now you said, maybe this is gamesmanship though. CJ Beathard, you elevate the third stringer, but it sounded like there was too much noise about him potentially playing on a short week for the quarterback position for him not to play. What did we learn from that tweet, and what does that workout look like? Have you ever seen one of these?

No, absolutely. And if he goes out there in the pregame workout, that's the beauty of the league right now is we're kind of speculating because they did bring up the third teamer. He's going to be on the roster. He's going to be active tonight. Just in case during that 25 30 minute work whatever that is and I'm sure it's going to be hey can this guy if something breaks

down can he get out of harm's way can he protect himself and if they find out in that workout that he's not capable of that and we have to just hand it off every time with him then then we're not we're not going down that road we'll sit him. But that's the beauty of the league right now is that's still out there. So New Orleans can't sit back and say, okay, we're getting C.J. Beathard. We're getting this other dude. Instead, this is maybe. Yeah, maybe. Have the sportsbooks changed at all since the Schefter tweet?

Not really. I mean, there's one-and-a-half twos and two-and-a-halves out there, which is basically what it was before this news came out. I think they already kind of figured based off of there was some reporting, what was it, last night that he was probably going to go. So I think it was already cooked into those last days. Okay, so Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars, three-game, like, wagon right now. Two in London and then against the Colts last week.

Hot. They're a hot team right now, this Jacksonville Jaguars team. Two in London and then against the Colts last week. Hot. They're a hot team right now. This Jacksonville Jaguars team. Oh, yeah. Now, I don't know what Trevor Lawrence is going to be or if he's going to slow down, but they have the leading tackler in the NFL right now. Mm-hmm.

Well, uh... Olukun? Yeah. Olukun. Yeah. Olukun. Leading tackler for the Falcons comes over to the Jags. Leading tackler for the Jags in the NFL. In the NFL, yeah. Now, that's just for the team. We don tackler for the Falcons. Comes over to the Jags. Leading tackler for the Jags.

In the NFL. We don't even talk about this guy. He's on the Jags. Josh Allen on that team. That defense, very good. Four turnovers for Gardner Minshew last week against that defense. And you talk about the offensive side. ETN, you see him getting the edge, breaking through the first round,

and he's off and running. Calvin Ridley's running these routes faster and faster. Trevor Lawrence is making all those things. kirk was brought in a few years ago reset the entire wide receiver market has showed up for him it's like i'm kind of surprised that the jags are getting multiple points especially if they're getting trevor lawrence back and playing and everything like that does that change i know you this morning we don't want to give anything away yeah chuck sure sounded like he was picking that New Orleans team. It was 5-1 on Thursday Night Football.

They got some injuries. Both tackles are out. I know that. So you got linemen out. You got Walker Littles out for the Jags. But New Orleans got three offensive linemen out. They got two starters and a backup offensive lineman out. Already been ruled out.

They benched the guy, too. They benched Penny, and they brought a guy up from the practice squad. And, like, both these guys haven't played tackle since in years. So, you don't think Josh Allen right now, who's got eight sacks on the year? Now, as a team, they're, like, 28th as far as getting sacks, the Jacksonville Jaguars. But you've got Josh Allen there, and they'll line him up on one of those other whoever it is.

I liked Artie Smith saying, my first year we went down there, and they'll line him up on one of those other whoever it is. I liked Artie Smith saying, my first year we went down there and we won on a game-winning field goal or whatever. But they were telling me, like, hey, when it gets going, you can really feel it, is what he said. That home field is an advantage down there. But for me, just watch. I don't know. I'm a big, like, how is the team playing right now? And if Trevor Lawrence is playing on a Thursday, okay, I think he's going to be more than capable to do

everything that he has done. I assume it's been talked about much more than the actual injury is. I don't want to make my official pick yet, but I think the AFC South is going to be in a good spot this evening with Trevor Lawrence back there. Against the spread, tail of the tape here, the Jacksonville Jaguars, 4-2.

The New Orleans Saints, 1-4-1. Feels like they've been given favorable odds from the books. The tail of the tape here, the Jacksonville Jaguars, 4-2. The New Orleans Saints, 1-4-1. Feels like they've been given favorable odds from the books since the beginning of the season. Haven't been able to show up for them. Points per game, Jacksonville, 23.6. Their opponents, 20.3. That's how you win. You average more points than your opponent, you win games.

Points per game for the Saints, 18.2. Have to have over 27 is what the last 14 Super Bowl champions have had. Over 27 points per game. So they're at 18. Now this is a different year with much better defenses, but the Saints offense has not been fantastic. Plus 7

turnover margin for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Plus 2 for the Saints. Okay, not bad defenses. And third down. 15. Now 15 takeaways, not to interrupt you. Sorry, Pat. No, go ahead. two for the Saints. Okay, not bad defenses in third down. 15 takeaways, not to interrupt you. Sorry, Pat. No, go ahead. That leads the league.

Saints? No, Jacksonville. Well, they got four from Gardner last night. Well, they were at 11, and Gardner gave them four. And so they're at 15. They got more takeaways than anybody in the NFL right now. So Jacks D, good. They can turn the ball over.

They're third against the run, but 31st against the pass. Held the bills in London. They had a good defense. And then third down percentages there, 36.1, which is 24th, and then 32.1, which is third in the league. 4% change there is a jump from 24th to 3rd. Well, that's the defense. Yeah, that's a parody of the NFL.

Defense versus the defense. Yeah, you're talking about that much of a difference is from 24th in the league's a parody of the NFL, though. Offense versus the defense. Yeah, you're talking about like that much of a difference is from 24th in the league to 3rd in the league or whatever. This is wild. For me, I don't know what the books are saying. It feels like this is an obvious pick for the Jags, which scares me, which makes me almost think like it's going to be the Saints on this particular Thursday night.

Yeah, I mean, it's a bummer, and I hate that I have to be the one to say this, but this game's going to blow. There's not going to be a lot of good offense. It's going to be a lot of good defense. I like touchdown parlays. I don't like any of them tonight. But, I mean, look, it's still going to be a competitive game, and both these teams are still in it.

And at least we do have studs on both sides of the ball for the Jags and the Saints, so there's guys to watch. And Kirk Herbstreit, Alan Michaels, Haley Hartung, Fitz, Witt, Carissa, Tony, Sherm. Of course. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. The production of the. Marshawn Lynch.

Yeah. You can't wait to see what he's doing in the bayou. It's going to be awesome. The game's going to stink. It's going to be a tough one. Oh, why are you so negative on this? Is this Mariendo? Oh, no, this? Is this because of Mariendo? Oh, no, no.

Is this because of Mariendo? What's the over-under on the game? 40 and a half. Oh, okay. So, yeah, this game's going to stink. You're taking the over? No. You're taking the under?

Absolutely. Jacksonville at New Orleans line movements. Best over is currently at 39 and a half. Best under is at 40 and a half. Look out. Best Saints odds, minus 130. Best away odds currently at 39.5. Best under is at 40.5. Look out. Best Saints odds, minus 130. Best away odds, plus 120. Best home odds, minus 1.5 at FanDuel.

Best away odds, plus 2.5 at? BetMGM. Hell yeah. All right, a lot of movement there. Hey, nobody really knows, it seems like, what the exacts is, but I know who does. That's Chuck Pagano. That's right.

I would most likely blindly follow Chuck on this one, but I do have an idea of which way I'm leaning right now. What is it? Huh? Tell us. I can't tell you that. It's a secret. Come on. Me too.

Me too. I'm leaning towards both teams right now, but I can't wait to hear what this old Italian man has to say because he seems to have the touch of the gods. Speaking of the gods, gods have blessed Sean McVay and his wife. Yeah, they've been married. Wife with a baby. She's currently pregnant.

Now, the conversation has quickly revolved around, well, coach, what are you going to do if the baby is born on an NFL Sunday? You're the play caller. You're the head coach. You know, this happens for players. Very rarely does it happen for coaches because normally this type of thing is planned to potentially You're the play caller. You're the head coach. You know, this happens for players. Very rarely does it happen for coaches because normally this type of thing is planned to potentially happen in the offseason.

Now, they got very lucky. He slipped one past the goalie. Baby dude during the football season. And here's what Coach Sean McVay had to say about his unborn baby and the timing in which it enters the world. My wife's doing great. I think there was a lot made about me missing a game.

I'm not going to miss a game. My son knows better than to come during a game. Okay, so I think there was a lot made about me missing a game. I'm not going to miss a game. My son knows better than to come during a game. Okay, so I think there's nothing more that needs to be said. That's a matter of fact. AJ, do you agree with that? I agree. Coaches are known to induce on Tuesdays a lot. That happens if your wife is pregnant during the season.

Yeah, he changes it too. Coach Pagano, your thoughts on coaches potentially having babies during, first of all, shout out to his wife. Okay, because I got a chance, obviously, to go through a pregnancy with my bride for our beautiful baby girl. Pregnancy is one of those things that happens where you go, thank God I'm not a woman. You know what I mean? Like, thank God they didn't have me be the one that has to go through what is happening here.

Just emotionally, physically, mentally, you're watching an alien inside. And organs are moving. You can't breathe. It's just absurd what happens for a human baby to come into the world. Shout out to all the moms that had to battle through that. But when you're married to a coach in the NFL during a season, I mean, he is pretty locked in. So shout out to his wife.

And how do you think this whole thing unfolds? Is it an induction you think is going to take place? Or do we need to understand that Sean McVay has been doing football his whole life? His seed, his offspring, understand that we're coming on an off day. We're coming on Tuesday. And probably going to be calling plays on Sunday with that, if I had to guess. If anybody can make that call, maybe he could.

But he's also got to understand that these women want to have these babies natural these days. You know, some home births type things, right? So I sure hope it doesn't happen that way. Do it at the stadium. You know, like, hey, you're having this baby Tuesday because I've got to coach the game Sunday. Well, maybe time out.

No, that might not be going down that way, Sean. So, look, if you want to be there for the birth of your son and you want to have great relationships with this kid, I suggest you be there. You know, otherwise that's one of those things, like like you don't want to miss the birth of your baby because that's something that potentially could hang over your head for the rest of your life. But, hey, will we understand? No.

So the good thing is if it does happen, he has to miss the game. He's got a great staff. He's got Raheem Morris over there that can run the whole deal for him. He's going to be head coach again soon. He's going to be head coach again, doing a phenomenal job with that Rams defense like always. I like the positive vibes, though. I like the positive vibes. My baby came two and a half weeks early,

so they are out of nowhere, you know, like 3.50 in the morning, or 2.50 in the morning. Wife wakes me up. I think my water broke. I was supposed to learn how to be a dad in the next two weeks. Baby's gone. What are we talking about? It's hot in here.

Turn the AC on. Maybe we sweat a little bit. That's the whole thing. So the baby doesn't really care about what you have going on, but I do appreciate the fact that Coach McVay is putting us out into the world. And shout out to his baby, I assume, getting a crash course in football since about probably three weeks into existence with Coach

McVay. Yeah, because last week he said he would miss the game if it came last Sunday. And this week he had a talk with his baby boy inside the stomach and said, hey, you're not coming on Sunday. So I like that. I had a lot of those talks too with my baby girl. And I don't know if that's a sign of things to come for me talking

to her and her not listening. But I did say did say hey your dad has not read all the manuals yet so we need the next two and a half weeks okay there's a lot of learning that has to take place she did not care she came and then all of a sudden it's a lot of whoa yeah whoa what the hell is about to happen to my life and I think coach McVay will have that same exact moment even if it's on a Tuesday or if it's on a Sunday. And congrats to them having the beautiful gift that is a beautiful baby. I can't wait to see what team that baby goes on to play quarterback for and then ends up coaching inevitably in the NFL. Certainly, already.

Especially if it comes on Tuesday. Yeah, you kidding me? Imagine this baby does come on Tuesday. It's like chosen one. Yeah, coach's son. Ch. Already. Especially if it comes on Tuesday. Imagine this baby does come on Tuesday. It's like chosen one. Born in the hot tub at the facility as well, for sure. Or right in the cold tub too. Just get a good contrast. Better flush the veins so we can get any

bruising out. Let's talk about the greatest of all time in the NFL. Obviously, we've all seen him. Tops off. Laid out on his $6 million yacht. Just cruising through a of all time in the NFL. Okay. Obviously, we've all seen him tops off, laid out on his $6 million yacht, just cruising through a canal in Miami.

All by himself, headphones in, living his life. You know, obviously, divorced. We've all heard about his personal life. He has a $6 million yacht

to cry on. He certainly was doing that in an incredibly comfortable, jocked. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yes, jo that in an incredibly comfortable jocked yo yeah absolutely jacked tanned jocked laid out on a yacht cruising past houses in miami hey thanks for representing football you look so cool tom brady thank you but tom brady still has his podcast every single monday on sirius xm with jim gray who is a man who sounds like... Well, Tom, I know you're looking absolutely jacked right now, but if you'd like to get more jacked, 20% off at GNC with their new Saturday Pill Pack.

And then Jim Gray will professionally move straight from that pill pack right into a real question, and then we'll get an incredible answer from the greatest of all time. This one, this particular time, was talking about the state of football and the physicality. Here's Tom Brady, the greatest of all time. This one, this particular time, was talking about the state of football and the physicality. Here's Tom Brady, the greatest of all time, chit-chatting about the current NFL football. There's so many different violations in football. I would actually like to see less violations called.

You know, focus on the important ones and let some other things go. I saw DK Metcalf got penalized for unnecessary roughness. He's, you know it would i don't know there's unnecessary or not but all i know is the defender's got every right to you know push back on dk but he doesn't do it so dk throws him on the ground they throw a flag i'm like i don't understand what the flag is this is football this is not yeah this is not you know this is not you know this isn't touch football.

This is real football. And I think the physicality, which people really enjoy, I certainly enjoyed. I love that physical element of the sport. I don't think we should ever lose that. And I think that we are, you know, there's so many people that are, you know, want it less and less physical. It's more like flag football, which is going to be in the Olympics in 2028. You know, which maybe football goes to flag football over a period of time. I don't think fans will like that that much. Then everyone should stop bitching about, you know, unnecessary roughness calls.

It's interesting because Tom Brady sounds like an old talking about football, but he's been saying this for a while. He's saying that defenses are getting more easy. Football is getting more easy for the quarterback. He took a lot of pride in breaking things down, seeing the coverage, having to make a decision to protect yourself. If not, it's going to be an interception or you're going to get whacked. He talked about the number changing

with the NFL and how dumb it is that they're even allowing linebackers or defense alignment to wear single digits. Now he's talking about the roughing the passer calls and other stuff like that. Tom is speaking from a generation that there is a lot of, I don't think any of us expected Tom to be this guy though.

You know what I mean? Tom's the guy that whenever it was close to him, I'm going down to protect myself. Now, the way he's talking about football, not only does it make me respect him more and appreciate him more, but I like the fact that he's like, this is bullshit. I used to worry about getting paralyzed when I was in there. And now these guys aren't allowed to touch each other in the face. And when he speaks, I think people will actually listen, especially in New York at the NFL offices, AJ.

Yeah. I mean, how could you not listen to Tom Brady and all the wisdom and the reps that he has and everything he has seen on the football field. But what I remember is when he, I don't know how long ago it was when he's talking about for quarterbacks, it's much easier because there's so many balls you can throw now where your receiver's not going to get decapitated.

Before, you had to place it. You had to be even more precise because you're going to get this dude killed. You're a liability. You cannot throw this ball. That's a funny thing that I remember what he was saying before. Tom, when he got in the league, what year did he start in the league? 2000? was first year pick 199 like there was we we were still

they were horse collaring dudes they were helmet to helmet at times like there was a different world back then drew the reason why he got to play is because of a hit that happened on a quarterback you got jacked up was still like the highest rated segment in all of nfl football which would be multiple millions and dollars of fines now if those hits were to happen. It'd certainly change. But Tom Brady, I didn't expect him to be OG football guy. This has gotten soft just because everything else, you know, avocado ice cream, all this other, it's like Tom Brady's like, nah, football, you got to have a hard edge and we need to keep it that way. I respect it. Yeah. And he's kind of been on that side the whole time.

Like when he talks about concussions, he says like, hey, if you play in the NFL, you are aware you're going to get concussions. They're part of the game. There's nothing you can do about it. And he played, you know, 24 damn years. He also, I think what AJ was talking about when he sat down, I think it was Gronk, him, Levante, David, and Mike Evans with the Tampa Bay reporters. And he talked about how, you know, unnecessary roughness and those hits across the middle,

those aren't on the defense. Like that's on the quarterback to make sure he's putting the ball on the spot where his guy isn't getting killed so now with the game to what AJ was saying it's like now he doesn't have to worry about that because no matter what if he puts this ball right where it's supposed to be even though that guy's getting killed he knows he's getting 15 yards on the other side whether he catches it or not we'll be talking to Peyton Manning in 14 minutes uh at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show and then also on ESPN plus I'll be excited to hear his thoughts yeah on what Tom just said I would assume he would echo the same sentiments coach no absolutely uh it doesn't fall on deaf ears because the way he played the game and to your guys's point the way know, how he's talked about it. I just remember, like, I think it was the AFC Championship game in 2011

when I was at Baltimore. Nice. And he's on the goal line, and, you know, like Drew Brees would just put the ball over and then tuck away and just try to hide. He goes up over the top, ball still in his hand, and starts to land on his head, and Ray Lewis hits him right in his spine, right? So this is a guy that loved the competition, loved the physicality of it. Loves ball.

Because that's how he played. And the game and the rule changes obviously added probably two, three, four years more. I mean, he got to play until he was 45, so that protected him as well. So I like what he's saying because none of us want to see the physicality of this game go away and turn into flag football. I don't think it ever will. There's a lot of guys getting... I mean, these things are happening bang bay, not to

pivot away from it, but there's flags getting thrown and fines getting levied on guys that are... If they slowed this thing down, you watch it and slow it down? Yeah, well, that's because the New York office. That's right. They're trying to take football out of football.

With their shoulders, like Derwin James. Yeah, we got to wrap up. You're doing great. I'm sorry. I mean, anything, we got five seconds. Hey, go ahead. Sports Center is in seven minutes. We appreciate you all.

We'll see you. We'll see you. Feel good Friday. Live from Columbus tomorrow. All right, missed it. Sweetheart out. Missed it. But it out. Missed it. But it always, when I'm at home, I can tell when we miss, but it's all good.

You can tell when? That's my fault. Put that one on me. It's on me. It's fine. I appreciate that, Coach. I appreciate that, Coach. Talk there.

Do you watch on ESPN or YouTube? Both. Okay. I appreciate that. Kind of tough for the conversation. At the same time? How can you work on YouTube? Both. Okay, I appreciate that. Kind of tough for the conversation. At the same time? How can you work on YouTube? No, I mean, excuse me.

I go 10 to noon, mountain time, ESPN. Oh, give us a rating. Thank you for that. We appreciate you giving us a rating. Appreciate it, Chuck. You got it in, by the way. Did I? Yeah.

Yeah, but I stuttered four times. So I went Columbus. They get it. That's bad. I didn't get it. That's bad. I didn't catch that. It's because I got this long shirt, long sleeve on. Could be. I do feel like I look much more professional.

I accidentally looked at myself a couple times when Saban was on. Who's that guy? What the hell's wrong with that? He's got a Corpo suit over there. Whoa. It's not a suit. It's not a suit, you pig. I have gotten text messages from a lot of people.

A lot of people. A lot of people a lot of people oh yeah a lot of people are they pumped or what well i told sam this morning whenever i said i think i'm gonna wear a long sleeve shirt today because the weather's turned at some point i'm gonna have to do this you know and this is a nice shirt you got me i appreciate it and everything i said it's gonna get loud though like i think people are gonna call me sellout let me call a little bitch this whole I can't put sleeves on. Okay. And I was accurate in my prognostications. That's good.

I got somebody in my family that called me a little bitch. Who's that? Oh, no. I'm not going to say the name. Chris Angel? Chris Angel probably loves what I'm doing. But he'd come in here and sleeves would disappear. Yeah, immediately.

Somehow it'd be a blue sweater. Take your arms off with the sleeves. A blue sweater. It'd be gone. That is the craziest trick of all time. For real. Can we talk? I know you're friends with him.

Can you ask him, hey, how do you separate the torso from their lower half? Let me see if I can get his phone number. You got some scissors. We can do Sean Payton on you right now. Who's that? Go Sean Payton. Yeah, when he cuts his sleeves off. Oh, because he was getting hot or whatever?

Yeah. I did that to the Penguins sweater. That might be why we lost to the Detroit Red Wings last night. Yep. Did you see that disgusting act by the Red Wings fan last night? I don't know if you've seen it. Kid from Michigan goes into that arena, grabs an octopus. Oh, nice.

Throws this carcass onto the ice. So obviously this is something that used to happen where they're like, you know what? What are the aliens that exist on Earth? Oh, octopi. Let's go ahead and grab a couple of those and just start hocking them onto the ice. Kid did it last night. Standing ovation. Greatest tradition in all of sports right there.

That is not true. How do you get it in? How do you get it into the arena? He stuck it down his pants, I think. Wrapped that thing around the meat. A lot of them like Easter. How old was this kid? Pretty empty arena. Camouflages itself around the meat. That's crazy talk.

The thing was... His dad make him do it? His dad, alright, take your pants off son. We gotta wrap this thing around. He's actually so close to climax because like when one leg would start slipping off. So many suction cups on that grabbing yeah it became uh ten blowies at once oh no non-stop getting tugs if pittsburgh wasn't so soft you know what they would do not disrespect fucking they might get a penguin and they might throw A penguin? You're a fool. This is what I'm talking about. This is what I know

the boss for you guys. That's why we're hockey town. That's why we were on the ice too. Let me tell you what Pittsburgh might do once we get there. They might let a penguin do one of these

and then on to its stomach and then let it kind of fly around. Alive. Not taking it from upper deck and being like, hey, octopi, you're about to get splat, and then ice. Boom.

Dead, rotting carcass all over the ice. The city's getting soft, I'm just saying. At least we know who killed Tocantin, no? Yeah, it was Detroit. No, I was here. No, we know who killed Tocantin. I was here. We knew it wasn't going to be you, fucker.

You would never get a handjob from one of those octopi to sneak them into that. Never. You would never do that. You might keister it. How come we were favored last night against the Red Wings, Nick? How was that? Because they're a poverty franchise. That's why. It just so happens that so are you guys now.

We are not. Jari stinks. Jari's got to go. Every year we do this, Jari stinks in that. That's the biggest issue with the Penguins every year. That's 78 more games left. Shit happens. Yeah, you're going to lose one. Nobody's been perfect. What the hell happened to Louis Lasagna? I thought we...

Louis Domingue. Can't we get that guy back? He wasn't Italian either. Or no. I mean, he's going to keep trotting the same guy out there. He was a disciple of Shinshu. Shinshu. Who? Shinshu. That's actually Phil Knight

Phil Knight, the creator of What did he do? Nike He put the rubber in a waffle maker though, didn't he? That's how it all started That air movie is good I enjoyed it I thought Ben Affleck played him great

Yeah, that's just how I view him now Yeah, me too. Okay, so when I go meet him one day, I'm just going to be like, oh, this is a psychopath, hilarious guy. Just kind of down for whatever. Hey, how you doing? Saw you in that documentary of yours. Boy, that was not how I – Documentary.

That's not necessarily how I – You tell Sean Payton the same thing if you meet him? I have met him. And I'll tell you what, I didn't get a Kevin James vibe, but the way Kevin James was in that felt like he nailed it. That was an interesting choice to play Sean Payton. Yeah, I'd say. I thought it was quite a shot at Sean Payton,

but Sean Payton was the one that made the pick. Kevin James is one of the most popular stars. I'm starting to think that might have been the right guy the more we see him coach the Broncos. Kevin James is like the most beloved person. We're trying to flip a culture. It's not working. That team stinks.

All right, let's go. Let's not talk about a team that stinks. Let's talk about some teams that are good, one team in specific. I have some interesting stats from Hembo. Ladies and gentlemen, do you know that the four of the top five scoring offenses have all been manned by one man, Jared Goff. Wow. 2017 Rams, number one scoring offense.

2018 Rams, second. 2022 Lions, fifth. 2023 Lions, currently on pace to be fourth. So four of the top five offenses in the last seven years manned by Jared Goff in the Detroit Lions. And I know that people talk about Jared Goff in a way

for the last few years that I think has been well-deserved. You know, I think he was a guy that got his team to the Super Bowl. They weren't able to win. Then something happened. He seemed as if he lost his confidence. It might have been

because the coach had no belief in him and that wear it on him as a human being. Then he gets up to Detroit with MCDC, and this guy is here we go. There was once a conversation about, why would you ever pick up that salary with Jared Goff? We were having it. Oh, yeah. It was actually that the Rams sent more to the Lions

so that the Lions would pay the salary. That is where Jared Goff was. He was so far down. I assume his confidence was down. But in the clout, in the world, in the conversation, it was like, this guy is Jared Goffel. He's going to Detroit to die. And MCDC says, no, no, man.

That ain't hate on your shoulders. No. That's wind beneath your wings, man. We want you to go all in. Him and Ben Johnson have been this perfect match. The culture in Detroit has matched him perfectly. You were once down and out. Now you're the guy. He is going to go down. They're going to have to win a Super Bowl, obviously. He's going to have to win a Super Bowl. But he has Hall of Fame stats. He has

everything to prove that he is a great quarterback in the modern NFL, in the NFL whenever he came into the league, when it was much different than what it is now, what he was able to do with McVay, what he's able to do with Ben Johnson. Jared Goff, he's a full-blown fucking stud, AJ, and he very rarely gets talked about in those conversations with the other stud quarterbacks. Yeah, I just wonder how long he has to continue to play at this level

until he does get mentioned, you know, with like the handful of other quarterbacks in the league that are considered like the tier one dudes. But what I'm impressed too with Jared Goff, not only how he's kind of resurrected his career. I know he's had a hell of a career already. But in Detroit, he could throw a pick early. They could whatever, have a slow start.

Jared seems to not hold on to anything. He is steady Eddie. And then you see the mic'd up. He's on the sideline getting the boys going. And he just comes back and he just slangs it. Like it's – I didn't expect it to go this well, but it's fun to watch him play. It really is.

I do. I love watching this Detroit Lions. They're creative. They have explosive plays. They have a run game. And Jared Goff and MC DC are the bestest of buds. What have you seen from Jared Goff over the last couple years in Detroit? Same thing.

I mean, he's got great arm talent. He can make all the throws, obviously. The design, again, what Ben Johnson's doing with this offense, the ability to run the ball, the play-action pass, the explosives. I mean, nobody hits more explosives than this team, you know, 36 of them. They're like number three in the league right now. So I think he likes being in this spot. Oh, yeah.

Like nobody's taught. To me, like he's like keep bringing this on because it's more motivation for him. It's a bigger chip on his shoulder. And when you get to fly under the radar kind of like the Lions have, the acid test is going to be like they're going to win the division. They're going to get a home playoff game. They win the home playoff game, and then if he somehow finds his way into an NFC championship

and then can get to the Super Bowl, then this story, like, it's got a long way to go. But he's got to do it on the biggest of biggest stages. And I know he's already taken the Rams to the Super Bowl, right? So it's a great story. Taking the Lions, Chuck. If he takes the Lions to the Super Bowl, that's another story. No, that's a big deal. Statue immediately. They're never

going to respect. He had success, and Foxy said, give him a lifetime contract. I do not care. That's becoming more real and real as the days go on. Same thing with MCDC. What a culture flip. He's not only built the confidence of Jared Goff, but the entire city of Detroit around the brand new

Lions. And Nickelodeon said, you're right, man. They slimed a coach for the first time. Wow. Hell yeah. They got slimed, man. Earned it. Five, man.

Five slimes, man. It was the greatest day of my fucking life, man. I used to watch all the time, man. Yep. Nick Kidd's Choice Awards. Always wanted one of them

fucking orange blimps, man. What were some of your favorite shows whenever you were growing up on Nickelodeon? I love the adventures of Pete and Pete, man. Who could forget all that? Obviously, those early casts were so fucking good, man.

Doug, I don't know, CatDog. You name it, man. I got the entire Rolodex for every Nickelodeon show. And now you've been Slime Coach. How do you feel? I mean, it's just, like I said, it's the greatest day of my fucking life, man. It really is. Hopefully I can host the Kids' Choice Awards next year.

Well, I think they would certainly enjoy that. Yeah. Hosting anything seems to be the best option for everything. Joining us now is a man who is well accomplished in the football world, obviously. Five-time MVP, two-time Super Bowl champion, Walter Payton Man of the Year, Mount Rushmore candidate for every human in the history of football. He's also the host of Payton's Places, which will debut Season 4, Episode 1 this upcoming Sunday, and also the host of the Manningcast, which has another episode Monday night

as the 49ers will take on the Minnesota Vikings. Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton Manning. How are you? Thanks for having me. Hey, thank you for joining us. I know you've got a lot going on, so the fact that you're able to take a little time on this glorious Thursday, we are very thankful for. Let's dive right in.

Peyton's Place is Season 4. Congratulations. very thankful for. Let's dive right in. Peyton's Places, season four. Congratulations. It feels like every time I watch an episode or watch these Peyton's Places, you legitimately love the game of ball and want to showcase everything in the history of football while doing incredibly cool things. Who thinks of all these fucking ideas for you? How do you go about doing these things from doing the Statue of Liberty play at the Statue of Liberty to like a helmet race on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Who thinks of this and how did you start this Peyton's Places, Peyton? Well, I appreciate you being a fan of the show, Pat. Obviously, season four is special.

We have an episode on punters. AJ, Pat's been campaigning. We finally caved. So without a doubt, this is the most special season we've had so far. Pat, I love football. You love football. AJ, you do. But I got to tell you, my passion for football is matched by the people at NFL Films, right? These are the people that are filming every game, created every great highlight tape through the years, and they truly love football. So they've been our partner on Peyton's Places.

They have all these archives of footage that they've had for years, and they've been looking for ways to tell the stories about Coffin Corner, right, about Elvis being a football fan. All the different shows that we've done through the years, they have the footage. And with the 100th anniversary of the NFL a few years ago, we've been able to tell the story via Peyton's Places. You're right. I've had so much fun doing it, watching film with Joe Namath, watching film with Raymond

Berry. Like, you know, it's incredible. So this season was special. We drop on Sunday. We're honoring George Kittle's National Tight Ends Day. We're trying to make it a federal holiday, Pat. We're thinking bigger.

Just making it an NFL holiday. He wanted to be right on the same path as Thanksgiving, Halloween. I went to Disney World with Phil Simms. Phil Simms was the first guy to do, I'm going to Disney World yet he never went. So 30-something years later, we gave him

his parade at Disney that he deserved. Went to old RFK with Thysman Wright. Incredible stadium. Threw snowballs at Eagles fans with Ricky Waters dressed up as Santa Claus. I could go on and on, but I love the game. This has been a fun way to tell the history of the game

in kind of an informative, entertaining way. All right, before the boys have their questions for you, let's talk about the Manning cast coming up, Niners, Vikings. Hey, this year you guys have your fucking fastball. Hey, this year has been the best year yet for that Manning cast. Do you feel that? Because some of the game games not as great, but you and Eli have had showcase performances this year on the Manning cast.

Is it because you've learned from stuff in the past? Are you more relaxed? Why do you think this year's Manning cast have been the way they have been thus far? Well, I appreciate it. You know, kind of the plan was sort of the same philosophy. We always started out with four guests in year one, Well, I appreciate it. You know, kind of the plan was sort of the same philosophy. We always started out with four guests in year one, went to three last year.

We've tried to have three this past season, as I told you, and we've had some late cancellations. We've only had two guests, so it's given more time for Eli to make fun of me. It's certainly given us maybe a little more time to talk football, so maybe that's something we've kind of stumbled onto, but it's been fun. You know, obviously a lot of things have happened in the game.

We haven't expected ever since Aaron getting injured in week one tells you don't ever assume anything in the NFL. This should be a great game though, right? Looking forward to seeing these Niners up close. Look, I'm a Kirk Cousins fan. Never count him out.

But be curious to see how Brock Purdy plays coming after a loss. We don't know what that's like. Maybe we can watch some old Iowa State film. But he simply hasn't lost in the NFL until last week. So we'll see how he responds. I see him responding well. Yeah, it's awesome this year. And two guesses good. You drop that down to one if you really have to there's an iowa hawkeye in

here that said a lot of iowa state losses obviously for purdy we are pumped to see kind of the niners bounce back happy it's on monday night go ahead aj aj is aj dead can can he not? Peyton what'd you do? I mean he's staring right at me he looks comfortable oh my god oh no Pat we'll segue just talk about your experience

being on Peyton's places right? I mean this is one of your items right? well listen I understand everything's crashing I don't know what you did Peytonton. You just killed A.J. Hawk. I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy. But I do appreciate you hosting there and just saying, I will say this.

Being a part of a Peyton's Places was one of the coolest evenings of my life. I have never been a part of something so professional, so ridiculous, so absurd, and also so informative. And I assume that's every single Peyton's Place. We have Jim Irsay acting. Whoa.

I don't want to spoil too much. But Jim Irsay is, I acted in a scene with Jim Irsay in a Peyton's Places. And Jim Irsay went off script. Did he not? He went off script completely. Hey, but he was on. He was on his game. He had ideas.

He had suggestions. I mean, look, we've been honored to have Jeff Daniels, real actors on this show who you kind of think, okay, they will go off script. That's their deal. When Jim's like, I have some ideas, we're like, whoa, where's this going? And he nailed it.

He was on his game, like I said, in McAfee. I mean, I got to tell you, to tell people, hey, we'd like to put you in a coffin in a cemetery. I think most people are like, no, I'm out. I'm good on that. Pat's like, absolutely. I'm in. It's all about telling the story of punters coffin corner. So you were a gamer and, uh, that's, uh, that's episode two. That's dropping in a couple of weeks. I just learned that. I just learned that. I got a chance to see some of the early cuts of that particular episode.

Man, what an honor to be a part of, honestly. What an absolute honor to be a part of. And you know, I mean, yeah, coughing in a cemetery was certainly the fastest yes I've ever given, but you've helped me out immensely. A.J. Hawk has joined us back. Wow. A.J.! Hey, Payne!

We're all very happy for you. We were very confused. It seemed like you were staring at us. You looked handsome. You couldn't hear anything we were saying. What's your question for Peyton, pup? Peyton, sorry, I missed a little bit. They've been throttling my internet for a while now, so I apologize.

I'm trying to figure that thing out. But, I mean, you and Eli on Monday nights, that's how I primarily watch the games now. I love what you guys are doing. I love when you guys go back and forth. Obviously, I love the primary crew as well on ESPN doing their thing with Joe and Troy. Those guys are amazing. But it's really fun to watch you and Eli go back and forth. Have you guys gotten closer from doing this?

Like I know with how much you guys mess with each other and make fun of each other, that's what you know you're close when you can do that, especially on a national stage. Has this brought your family closer? It's funny you ask that, AJ, because when Eli and I were both playing, we talked on Fridays before the game, how's practice been? What's the game plan? What do the Cowboys look like? And then we talk Sunday night after the game, oftentimes on the bus, right? If we both had road games, right, we'd be on the bus at the same time

and I'd get them, hey, saw you won, saw it was a late drive, what coverage were they playing? And, you know, I used to cherish those conversations. And then those few years, you know, kind of that I stopped playing while he was playing didn't have that same rhythm as far as keeping up with each other. And then our first few years when we were both out of football, I'm in Denver, he's in New York, we weren't talking as much. So doing this, there's no doubt, AJ, it's kept us close.

We have our routine. We leave a lot of voice memos. As you know, I do a lot of uhs and you knows. Eli saves those 35-minute voice memos breaking down the Packers defense. But it's been fun to work with him, fun to do this with him, and I definitely see it that way. It has kept us close because we have something to do each week together. Yeah, they ran one of those voice memos last week,

and boy, you really got some good shit out there. Yeah. I mean, between that and the fathead with, you know, the non-favorable forehead proportions, I thought those were kind of cheap shots, Pat, kind of below the belt, right? I mean, fair game, thick skin, the fathead was just not accurate proportions, and i actually do say some meaningful things on those voice memos the fact that he played one with a lot of us and

you know it's payback time it's all i'm saying oh i'm excited for that uh you know um no i'm not gonna dive into it you are awesome at payback time i will say that is something throughout something throughout the history, I think, of football that has been there. Speaking of football, Tom Brady has his podcast every Monday on SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio, and he spoke to Jim Gray about the state of football. I'd like to play this clip for you and then get your thoughts afterwards, because I assume they're pretty similar. Go ahead, Foxy. There's so many different violations in football.

I would actually like to see less violations called. You know, focus on the important ones and let some other things go. I saw DK Metcalf got penalized for unnecessary roughness. He's, you know, I don't know if there's unnecessary or not, but all I know is the defender's got every right to, you know, push back on DK, but he doesn't do it. So DK throws him on the ground. They throw a flag.

I'm like, I don't understand what the flag is. This is football. This is not, you know, this is not, you know, this isn't touch football. This is real football. And I think the physicality, which people really enjoy, I certainly enjoy it. I love that physical element of the sport.

I don't think we should ever lose that. And I think that we are, you know, there's so many people that are you know want it less and less physical it's it's it's more like flag football which is going to be in the olympics in 2028 you know which maybe football goes to flag football over a period of time and i don't think fans will like that that much then everyone should stop bitching about you know unnecessary roughness calls now he's an old guy yelling at a cloud on his six million dollar yacht it feels like people could paint that image but i do feel there's a lot of legends around football that are worried about the football changing and losing what football is do you fall in line with that or or is there a worry potentially about what the future of the

game looks like yeah you know um look i'm still a fan of the game. I've always been hesitant to be one of those that back when I played, you know, this is how it was, right? I, you know, I pay respect to the people that played before me. I mean, I still say Dan Marino's 48 touchdowns and 84 back when every play full, you you know holding pass interference every play how he gets 48 touchdowns then I don't know so uh you know look the game adapts the game adjusts but you know look uh I think it's still a great game uh yeah I don't think anybody wants to see a ton of penalties out there you know throughout, throughout the entire game, right? Nobody kind of loves seeing the Super Bowl sort of being decided on that,

you know, controversial, you know, pass interference call. So you love for the game to be played on the field. But, like, I'm still a fan of the game. I was honored to play during my window. Different players, different rules, you know, different times. I still think it's great. You know, Tom, you know, certainly, you know, different times. I still think it's great. Tom, certainly he and Jim and Larry have a powwow every single week.

I've been on that show. I've been honored to be asked. I don't know how Tom, does he fly Delta to get to the yacht? Yeah. Is there a direct Delta flight into the Bahamas that he can get on the yacht? I was on a Delta flight the other night. I flew back from Hawaii. My plane got canceled. Flight got canceled.

I was in 36F. Has Tom sat in 36F on a Delta flight? What do you think, AJ? I'd say not in about 30 years, probably, Peyton. Put me in an exit row, Pat, which was great. Leg room. But I swear the door was open it was cold as i've ever been i've played all weather games right i've been in green bay played in new england and i i asked the flight attendant i'm like is there any like is there

like a warmer blanket she was so disappointed that i was complaining about being cold. She, like, wouldn't give me a blanket. And I was like, I'm just, it's freezing, ma'am. And so I let her down. I roughed it through in 36F and made it to my destination. Always going to be tough. You know, that's old school football. 36F. First of all, I couldn't even imagine 36E just being like, is that?

That's fucking Peyton Manning. Hold on. I'm not going to lie. I had a sleep mask on. I kind of put it on my face when I got up to use the restroom. And when I walked off the plane, I put that blanket that didn't do any good over my face to get out into the terminal. So I made some audibles to make it through. That's hilarious.

You're a legend for doing that. I know you have to go, but we have to ask you about this weekend. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Peyton, huge day on Sunday, obviously, with the premiere of Peyton's Places, but it's also the third Saturday in October. I mean, this is a big week for all the volunteers out there. How are you feeling about the game, and do you have any stories of you maybe being a little successful against this Alabama team

it's funny I mean I can't think of the last time Alabama's beaten us uh you know we obviously took care of business last year the series has been you know so one-sided you know since 2022 so um I'm going to tune in you know Saturday but I think I kind of know what's going to happen because we've kind of had our way with them. Golly, it's going to be a dogfight. I mean, Nick Saban, for some reason, I think he remembers that game from last year. He remembers the pictures of the cigars. I was having one as well in the locker room. It had been a long time since we've had a chance to do that.

I know Coach Saban's going to have those guys ready, but I also think that Coach Heupel has challenged our team, you know, to be known as a really elite team. We've got to be able to win on the road. And we didn't do that last year in Athens and in South Carolina. So this is our first big road test. It's going to be rocking in Tuscaloosa. I look, Alabama, Tennessee, it's what it's all about and i was honored to be a part of that rivalry for four years and uh won three out of the four i still have a couple of those cigars pat have those uh

framed uh those are those are keepsakes for sure so uh uh i won't be in tuscaloosa on saturday there we go there's a good shot. But I'll be pulling hard for the Vols. It should be a good one. Yeah, Coach Saban had that picture blasted all around Alabama this week. Yeah, so shout out to you. If Alabama comes out mad, it's because of you. You need to know that.

We appreciate you, brother. Thanks, Pat. Thanks, boys. Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton's place is Sunday. Manning cast Monday. Ladies and gentlemen, Peyton Manning. Thank you pal I do love the fact That he's like

I still love football Yeah You know like Hey Tom Tom wants to kind of Maybe nip some things In the bud here Before it gets going

Doesn't want to change Football too much How do you feel These guys are still Getting hits in the head I mean it's just I still love football Basically is what

I was going to do I appreciate him Making time for us But he is more busy now, I think. Brother. I mean, with every – yeah. What is he not doing? He's doing everything right now. He's got a whiskey.

He's got a production company. He's got Peyton's Places. He's got a Manningcast. He's got – obviously, he's the coach of his kid's flag football team. I mean, he – it's – And he prepares for everything too, right? Like he's not just going to willy-nilly jump into something. Like he's going to prepare and make sure that he knows exactly what he wants.

I got a chance to go golf with him on a golf course down in the south, you know, last year. We all remember that. It happened. We actually missed a program because of it. It's one of those things you get invited to go golf at. This particular golf course in the south, you're going to go. I think it was in Florida.

Yeah. Yeah, Florida. A little north of Florida. What did you shoot? You shoot par? Well, the funny thing about it is I think I'm the first person in the history of that course that's been invited there that did not play a full 36 holes over two days. I played 34 because I thought I was giving a hint about the second day.

Sure. You know, about, hey, you can catch us on the back if you want. Oh. And I said, yeah, that sounds like a hint there yeah sweet so then i just i said all right i'm gonna do that you know because this place not everybody's on their phone all the time right so i was like all right for the for the front nine i'll just sleep in this is nice just sleep in a little bit chill i'll be able to be on my phone do that whole thing all morning yeah and then eli manning came in and said are you fucking me what you're gonna you're just sitting on your yeah here he said you're not gonna i was like yeah i'm meeting at 10 right in this what the whole thing you are disgusting is what

eli basically said you're the only human ever and then like slams door on I'm like, this guy's talking to me like I'm a child. I'm a fucking adult. Okay. Don't be talking to me. But he was so disappointed. I get out there hole three. I start really heating up. Really heating up.

And then about hole four, it really got cold. You know what I mean? Really cold that second day. That's golf. Yeah, that's golf. I mean, but in that particular golf course, when I was lucky enough to play on it with him, I traveled with him back to Indy afterwards because he had an event going on here in Indianapolis,

and he was hosting it. And the entire flight, you know, I was like, okay, here we go. Probably get a chance to chit-chat, bullshit, or whatever. No, no. He was reading the script for what he was going to say, the outline of what he was going to say, memorized it. That was like an hour and a half flight. And then as soon as he got down, handshake, how you doing?

There was like three people waiting for him there. Need to go through this. Need to go through this. It was like, God damn, this dude never stops. And then you think about this Peyton's Place is, for this season, we actually have a trailer for it. This dude is, and you can run it without sound, I think, like everywhere. We're talking about everywhere shooting stuff. And you can run it without sound, I think.

Like, everywhere. We're talking about everywhere shooting stuff. Here he is with Mark Cuban figuring out the original phones, I think, in a stadium. Sims down in Disney. He has to travel all these. Here's San Francisco. Obviously, support your local. Here's in Indianapolis.

He was here. He has a whiskey that he goes to, like, individual liquor stores. It's just, like, the guy's a fucking machine. It is so impressive. I have no idea how he's able to keep it up, but some people are just built different. And then all the big events in Colorado. He was at the Nuggets finals games for everything. I believe he was at the Avalanche games when they were winning Stanley Cups.

The guy just doesn't stop. He's a machine. Yeah, it's awesome. He loves Colorado. Loves it out there, dude. Do you think he'll ever grow tired of this, and is this enough of a football fix and whatever i know he's living his best life can we will we ever see payton back

in a football building coaching front office gm i think he's owner i think ownership is what always the conversation's been that the mannings are going to try to be an owner of a team now will they be able to get enough money to own an NFL franchise with how the franchises are all going right now, where it's like $6, $7 billion, $8 billion? We assume that they will, and it feels like that's what he's working towards to try to get. I think he's going to have to be in a position to run shit.

Like, I don't think there's any. So, like, Jerry, so if he gets an ownership, like, so Jerry Jones is owner, GM. That's what, yeah. I think that's what you kind of expect. I think that's what it is for like Omaha. You know, like Omaha has shows about everything. They're involved in everything.

Them and NFL Films are involved in fucking everything pretty much if you kind of look behind the curtain. And it's like, yeah, Peyton's in on everything. It's not like I have to see everything. It's like he wants to be involved. And to your point about the football fix, I think it's not just the football fix. I think it's the busy fix. Like whenever he was playing, it was, he was doing something at all fucking times. Like during the punt period,

I've talked about this. He's running sprints. Like normally the punt period is when offense and defense are kind of getting a little break, doing some water, going through some stuff, getting ready for that. He's running sprints back and forth the entire time. Like a scare, a scared to death to stop from doing something. And as soon as practice is over, okay, we're getting extra reps over here. Then as soon as that's over, I'm getting food, but this is for a minute and a half. I got to go watch film on Thursday.

And then he gets home, and then he has the theater built off his fucking kitchen near his bedroom so that he is watching film in his theater. And then Clyde Christensen, the quarterback coach, talks about I'd get a call at 2 a.m. and I'm expected to have the fucking answer. Hey, I just saw something, third and sixth, that this team's running. Why do you think they're doing that? And Clyde's like, I'm in bed, right?

What team are you even talking about? So it's like I think he's just always been busy. I think he's always been active. And it's like if he wasn't, I think that is the bigger thing. But yes, football I think is also a massive piece of it. That's why the Manning cast probably works in perfectly because he's talking to coaches, he's watching film, he's game planning.

And whenever he's watching the game unfold, you can tell that he had a plan for this team in his eyes on what they should be doing. And if they're not doing that, it's always like, why are we not taking a shot? Let's go ahead and do this. And if they're not doing that, it's always like, why are we not taking a shot? Let's go ahead and do this. And if they're not acting how we thought they were going to from his preparation.

So I think he gets his football fix, but I think the bigger thing is needs to be busy, needs to be a part of something, growing something. And if he's not, I assume he'll just fucking bust. Yeah, I think that's probably the way he's wired. And that's why he was so successful in the NFL on top of all the God-given ability and traits he had. But I don't think that's something you can really ever turn off.

Like, all these guys who are super successful, like, you never hear them just being like, oh, you know. Pause. One second. What was that? What's going on here? I don't know. Connor was making a weird face, and I was admiring his nice – his beard looks really nice, like trimmed up. Ty, what did you – I didn't hear anything that you alluded to. Well, I definitely didn't allude to anything that would have some snide, snarky comment, you know, be a rebuttal to – I was just saying how Peyton can't turn off what, you know, how he is. AJ giggled when you said Peyton was going to bust.

Yep. I don't think I giggled. You could run it. You definitely. That doesn't sound like me. Is he telling on you? How old are you, for Christ's sake? Con made me laugh.

Conner's face is what did it. Oh, so I look so funny to you, huh? I'm a clown? Yeah. Oh, dude. AJ, what's your problem, dude? I saw your tweet. What's your problem?

You had your first tweet in like 10 years today. That was sweet. I don't know. I've been pretty active. I don't know. You were locked out for the last two weeks. You didn't even know how to get on there. I got back.

I made it back. Yeah, you're back and you made an announcement. I expect to see lots of classy signs in the crowd. This is this guy's first tweet in like a year. Period. Period. That's all it is. With the graphic.

I mean, really explaining things. Ohio State's playing Penn State. You know? What do you mean? I'm just promoting the show. Promoting the program. We appreciate that. Thank you, Adrian.

Joining us now is a man who is back on the football field, and it's great to see. I don't know if he had a cowboy collar, but it did look like he was a little bit more jobbed up top. He has an incredible golf game, obviously. We've chit-chat about an incredible story. Has been a fantastic leader of the Buffalo Bills

for a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, all pro-po, Jordan Poyer. What's up, boys? Hey. Appreciate y'all for having me on, man. Were you wearing something different this week? Did you look different, or was it just you? Nah, you know, it's just me. You What's up, guys? Hey. Appreciate y'all for having me on, man. Were you wearing something different this week? Did you look different, or was it just you're just... Nah, you know, it's just me.

You know what I'm saying? It's just me. I'm out there. I mean, my neck a little bigger this year, so, you know, we're just playing a little bigger. Okay. Well, I respect it, because I was watching. I was like, damn, Boyer looks bigger right now.

It was more yoked than anything. Like, for me, when I get bigger, the guy's fatter. For you, bigger. It's more jocked. Has that been a change? Are you playing at a different body weight this year? Yeah, I'm playing at probably about five to six pounds, a little heavier. I feel stronger. I feel

great, man. It's year 11. Going through the middle of the season right now, the ups and downs, the fronts, the backs, but we're grinding. We're excited for opportunities this weekend in New England. I know you got some Pats fans in there. Only one, but he's trying to get the first pick of the draft, so he's actually pulling for you this week,

which is a much different New England Patriot. Before we talk about next week, let's talk about last week. So you guys had a pass interference to end that game. Giants got fucked. What are your thoughts on the game with the New York Giants, and what a battle in prime time. I mean, what a crazy game. Tyron came in and did what he had to do to keep the game with the New York Giants, and what a battle in prime time. I mean, what a crazy game. You know, Tyron came in and did what he had to do to keep the game close

and came down to the last play. Taron Johnson made a hell of a play. Ten out of ten times, I'm not calling that flag at all. So, you know, we won the game on the last play, and that's what it is. You know, the game comes down to the last plays most of the, you know, every game, every week. So, you know, we were able to make a play on the last one and sneak away with a victory.

And like I said, we're excited about this weekend. Another opportunity going to New England, division rivals. So we don't like them. They don't like us. So we're excited about it. So is it like Wednesdays after field goal or punt period, like period two is like, here's how we pass, interfere, and not get called?

Is that what happens? I don't know. I'm not going into that argument right there i'm joking i do appreciate i do appreciate the fact though that that happened it happens in every game but whenever it's the last play it's going to get spotlighted obviously that giant team played you guys a lot tougher you get out of there with a win though who cares let's move along right that's the mindset mean, this is the NFL. I mean, you guys have played, you know, a long time. And any time you can win any week, you know, it's huge. It doesn't matter who's out there playing, a quarterback who's out there playing.

This is the NFL. Each week presents its own task, and you've got to come in ready to play. And to get out of any week with a win, it's always a lot better to win and have to learn from a win than have to learn from a loss. So, you know, we got the win, and're like i said we're excited about the opportunity this weekend go ahead aj uh how big of a deal is it for you guys obviously to have vaughn miller back in the lineup the last few weeks and what he's able to bring to that team i'm sure as the season goes he's going to get stronger and stronger and feel better absolutely absolutely yeah man just his

leadership his presence um you know everything about who he is as a person, as a player, you know, he brings so much energy to the back to, to our defense, you know, weekend, week out so many new ideas,

so many, you know, just seeing him coach the younger guys, Greg and AJ and seeing, you know, how their game is even leveled up since, since Vaughn's been here. So,

you know, such a huge asset to our team, not even just on the field, but off the field too, just his leadership abilities, his ability to the field, but off the field too. Just his leadership abilities, his ability to connect with the guys in the locker room. And so it's huge having him back on the field.

And, you know, we're excited to continue to see him get back on it. A lot of doubters this year, man. Doesn't it? Do you guys recognize that or realize that? Like in years past, outside the building, everybody was Buffalo Bills are going to go win it all. This year you beat the Giants, but, you know, you lose. You know, there's a lot of that.

Do you guys hear that or how do you – You know, that's for you all to talk about. You know, I have my personal opinions on it, you know what I mean. But at the end of the day, you know, we come in here, we work, and none of that outside stuff really even matters. It's just he say, she say. Each week is different, you know. And so you got to be able to have the mindset to be able to block all that. I know it's cliche, but really at the end of the day, it literally doesn't matter.

So everybody can go out there and say this, that, or whatever about this team or that team or whatever. You know, what we're doing here is what's important. And, you know, we're just continuing to, you know, Kaizen. Coach always talks about the phrase Kaizen, just continuous growth, continuous just, you know, evolution. And, you know, that's what we're doing. That outside noise is that outside noise. I've been here seven years,

and I've heard that outside noise for seven years since I've been here. So it hasn't changed. And, you know, we just continue to work and continue to do what we do and ignore the noise. How's the team feel this year? Obviously, we talk about we talk about von being back but how's the rest of the culture in there no we're great man like i said this team has been together for a long time we've been through that we've been through hell and back literally um and we've had a lot of you know a lot of things that happened in the past couple years that have been able to build a callous kind

of for our football team and be able to handle the ups and downs through a game, through a season. And so, you know, we're a very strong football team. And we've got a lot of work to do. I don't think any team would say that at this point of the season. We've got a lot of work to do. But I believe we've got one of the best quarterbacks in the game. We've got one of the best wide receivers in the game. We've got one of the best defenses in the game.

So we come ready to play each week. You know, there's no reason why we shouldn't be in each and every game being able to win. You talk about the calluses and being to hell and back. Last year, the amount of adversity off the field for your team was absurd. On the field as well. Damian Harris situation.

That was, I assume, watching at home, watching you guys. Obviously, we felt for Damian Harris, but at the same time it was like, this Buffalo Bills team. Why is it always a super scary situation? What was the conversations like? When did you guys potentially know that it wasn't as serious as what you all experienced,

obviously, a year before? Because at home, we were all feeling for you, man. I want to let you know, like, everybody was very much feeling for you guys. Yeah, it's tough, man. Anytime you see anybody, it could be your teammate, somebody on the other team. Go down and have the ambulance come out on the field and the stretcher and it's a long pause in a game where there's five, ten minutes doesn't matter. It puts a lot of things in perspective.

You kind of think about a lot of things in that moment. Obviously hoping that he's okay, hoping that his family is okay. And even throughout the game, just, you know, hoping DH is okay throughout the game. You hate to see it. You know, he plays such a violent game and it can, you know, that's really what you accept every single time you step out on the football field that that could really happen to you.

And so, you know, you just got to be able to, you know, be mentally strong when something like that happens. And it's tough, you know, having to go back after seeing somebody gets, you know, put on a stretcher and they have to go back out there and play you know that's probably one of the hardest things I think as an athlete for me personally having to do especially when D-Han went down seeing DH go down last week it's tough but at the same time you know this is part of what we do this is part of who we are we didn't know, I got word after the game that, you know,

it might have been later that night that DH was going to be okay. But, yeah, you know, you just pray for him and his family. And, you know, it's really tough. It's really tough to be a part of. And I'm pretty sure you guys have been through it too. It's scary to see, scary to feel. But that's the reality of the game that we play. Well, I appreciate that answer because everybody at home was like,

the Bills, man, this is just, it's heavy. Like, and last year you guys went through a lot of heavy stuff and it's hard to win a game, a football game to begin with, let alone a Super Bowl. With everything you guys went through, I'm excited to see your team continue to build and grow because it's not easy whenever you got real shit happening right in front of your face on a regular basis.

They showed tomorrow and it's on the side. It was. Hey, it was watching at home. It was like, this team. I don't know how, but we appreciate the hell out of you guys. Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Jordan, I don't know if you've seen this on tape yet or not, but I will let you know, Mac Jones will and is not afraid to kick you or hit you in the balls, okay?

And I want you to be aware of that. Are you prepared for that? Have you been preparing for that? Are you going to wear a cup this week? Have you noticed any of this? No cup this week. I'll definitely be prepared. I don't know how to answer that question. Wow. Be a pro, dude.

Be a pro. All pro po. Be a pro. You represent the NFL right now. We're excited to play the game. Bet you are. Excited about the opportunity to go out there and play Mac Jones in his home stadium and make plays. He does this one here. Hey, when he slides, watch it because he does the cleats up at second base.

And the cleats up at second base isn't trying to take out a knee. He's going dong. You know what I mean? That's what he goes. That's his move. I don't know if you guys are watching film or not. Head on the swivel. We've seen it.

We've seen it. Well, two heads on the swivel there, pal. That's what we're talking about. You might get a jump over them. You know what I mean? That's the whole conversation here. Chuck has a question for you, Joe. Hey, Jordan.

Big, big fan. So getting ready for, you know, teams coming in with winning records and all that stuff, and now you're playing, I think, the one and five Patriots, you know, this playing, I think, the 1-5 Patriots this week, and Boston's obviously not real happy about that. But I know as a coach, getting ready for games like this, you're always worried about a letdown, thinking you're just going to show up, roll the ball out.

They're not very good on offense. They've got a good defense, but they're 1-5. It is Belichick.cdermott been different are the coaches uh any different as the messaging been different do you notice a change you know getting ready for for teams that don't have winning records like the pats right now yeah that's a good question you know we always try to say you know each week it presents its own challenges, its own, you know, its own stuff, and it's always nameless, faceless opponents. It doesn't matter, you know, if the team's out there, they're 10-0,

or a team's out there, they're 0-10. At the end of the day, this is the NFL. This is a very well-respected coach, and Coach Belichick and his staff and what they've been able to do over there. We've played them, you know, over since I've been here seven years, that'd be 14 or 12 times in seven years since I've been here. So, you know, they know us and we know them. And so, you know, it's going to be one of the, there's no,

I've been in this league long enough to understand there's no, you can't take any team. I mean, you saw kind of what happened last week. And it says like that New York Giants came in and, you know, they started to feel like they can play with us. And all it takes is just that little bit of confidence to get a team to feel like they that we can play. And so being able to start fast and games like that, we always try to tell a let's

start fast and not even let this team feel like they can play with us. But most of the time it's not like that. So just being able to handle the ups and downs adversity of the game and going into the game understanding look look, this is the NFL. They got good coaches. They got good players. We got to play well to win. And, you know, that's just the mindset that we have going into each and every week.

Everybody gets paid out there on that field. People forget that. The year we were 2-14, nine games, I think, one-score games, where if we just happened to get a ball to bounce our way and we score, all of a sudden it's a much different story. Hey, they snuck into the playoffs, like that whole thing, as opposed to being, oh, this is the worst team in the NFL. That gets forgotten about.

Whenever you talk about wagons and tanking and all this type of shit, it's real. That's why the Giants thing, like, I assume after the game, there was a nice sense of relief. Oh, didn't play our best football, got a dub. Let's move on and let's do what we got to do. Patriots next week is going to be fantastic. Ty has a question for you.

Jordan, I understand the next man up mentality, but do you and other guys on the defense feel like you kind of have to carry more weight knowing that guys like Tredavious White and Milano, two all-pro guys who are unbelievable, are out for the year? Is there conversation about that how like you know again next man up we get it but you know these are two unbelievable dudes and do you guys feel like you know everyone kind of has to pull more weight trying to replace them absolutely and i mean there's no no way to replace a guy like tradavious white or matt milano um two guys that

have made so many plays for us over the last six, seven years they've been out here, and two all pros that, like I said, it's impossible to replace. And so we've got good players behind them and players that have played a couple years. Dorian Williams had a good game last week playing his first start. But, yeah, Micah and I, we talk. Taryn and a lot of it in TV, a lot of it comes down to us just being able to

over-communicate. We might see something and think we have the communication down, but being able to just reiterate, whether it's Dorian, whether it's CB, reiterate the call, reiterate the checks, and just that extra, just a little bit more. And so it's not anything like putting pressure on anybody else. It's just continuing to evolve, continue to understand, you know, who we are as a defense, how we got to communicate, and then just, like I said, continuing to evolve. Doreen had a hell of a game last week. CB and Dane are very good corners, and Kyere, very good corners, and as long as we're all

playing on the same sheet of music, the same page, let coach call a play, and, you know, we could make the check, and the check be wrong, But as long as we're all On the same sheet of music With the wrong check And playing the same defense I don't think A whole lot of teams Can beat us If you were designing

The sheet of music What type of music Would it be? Oh we know Country You wanted to play A Trump's thing That's right

Small town Yeah Yeah What is a small town song? Yep E minor Yep Into that Yep That's what we thought No what is your favorite Yeah, Jason Aldean. Yeah, Jason Aldean. What is a small town song? Yep. E minor. Yep.

Yep, into that. Yep, that's what we thought. No, what is your favorite type of music? Man, I like Spanish music. I like Ozuna. I like, starting to like this girl named Aniko. You guys have to listen to her. Her name's Aniko. Oh, yeah.

She's like an indie writer, indie song artist. She's very, I gotta listen to her. Her name's Nico. Oh, yeah. She's like an indie indie writer, indie song artist. I like listening to her. And I started playing the handpan. I don't know if you guys ever heard of the handpan. But it's a really cool instrument that I found out in Costa Rica. Yeah, look it up. It's fun. It's a fun instrument to play. I'll have to send you guys a video.

Is that what it looks like? Or is it a drama? It's a pan. It's got little notes around the side of it. It's called a hand pan. You play around it. I've seen it in the Caribbean, right? It might be in the Caribbean. It's an inverted steel drum.

Yeah. What's it sound like? It sounds like real melodies, real music. Is that Gary Vee on the right? Is that Gary Vee on the right? Are you going? Is that Gary Vee on the right? Is that? Hold on. I know that guy on the left, though.

That's the guy I listen to and I take lessons from. That's your trainer? We just Googled him. No, that's not like that. He does YouTube videos on YouTube, and he has ways to learn how to play the game. It's like Mike Posner. Yeah, so what songs are we? It does kind of have a little Posner feel.

He'll be buried in Detroit where the stupid Red Wings are from. Whenever you... They beat the Pens last night. Yeah. Yikes. Hey, what are we playing this thing? We're just playing alongside... To be honest, I'm just trying to learn how to play it.

There's a hundred songs you can play. I don't know music. Like Hot Cross Buns or what are we playing? Can you play the hit? Yeah, I can play the hot cross buns. I'm just trying to learn the melodies, the tones. I've had it for about two months now. I got it at the beginning of the season.

It's something that I kind of do when I go home, trying to learn how to play it. Can you please figure out how to play our open? Yeah. With this hand, Pan? Absolutely. That would be neat. Come on, I'll bring it.

For next time I come on, I'll bring it. I'll play it. Yes. All right. I will. I might be. Come on, I'll bring it. For next time I come on, I'll bring it. I'll play y'all some. Yes. All right. I will. I will. I might not be that great, but I'll play y'all some. We'll just mute it.

You know what I mean? We'll just do the video and then we'll play the actual sound. It'll be great. It'll be great. All right, last question here for you. We can't thank you enough for your time from Connor. Yeah, Jordan, obviously we can all agree England sucks. What specifically?

England's awesome, by the way. Well, just in general, though, for this conversation speaking, fish and chips, driving on the wrong side of the road, they just suck. We can all agree on that. All right, I'll ride this plane on my own then. I think England sucks, okay? What were the challenges over there in London? Because obviously we all know that wasn't the Buffalo Bills team completely.

It was a much different team throughout the game. And you guys proved once again that you guys are top of the league. But what were the challenges over there? What's the travel like going over? And did you do high knees on the plane like Russell Wilson when Denver flew over last year? Not doing no high knees on the plane. We try to sleep as much as we can on the plane.

We got out there Friday morning. You know, it was, just to say, London is not one of my favorite places to play the game of football. I would have rather played the game at home. They kind of took a home game away from us. Oh, no. Whoa, I didn't know that. From Buffalo? That sucks.

Yeah. It was, you know, it's fine, but Vaughn was right. That turf sucked. I'm just sorry it wasn't. And my whole idea, my whole psyche, the moment I heard that we were going to London to play, I'm thinking we were playing on that nice soccer grass. So since, whenever

the schedule came out, I'm thinking we were playing on messy soccer grass out there. I don't know. Like some nice grass this long. You know, just we get out there. Probably that Wednesday or that Tuesday or Wednesday I find out we're playing on turf and it just, I'm like what? It's like we're going to London to play on turf? It almost doesn't

even make sense because they can roll the grass. They can roll the, where we played at at Tottenham and they have grass underneath that turf. So they roll the turf out for us to play on it. It made no sense to me, whatever. I love that. Hey, did you hear what happened? The World Cup was like, hey, NFL teams,

you need to put grass down if we're going to play. And the NFL tells the England teams, hey, you need to put some hard-ass turf out there if we're going to come play. That's quite a different opinion there. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. But it is what it is, you know. It ain't what any sense. It doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. It ain't what it ain't, so just move on.

Keep going. It always will be until it's not. So did you get to see England at all or no? Yeah, my wife was out there. Went and had some tea. Went and had some tea and some crumpets. It was a really crazy experience. Went to the London Bridge, saw the Big Ben.

There's so many people in London. I don't understand how it just, I mean, it's almost overwhelming the amount of people that are like downtown in London just walking around, just going to place to place. You didn't enjoy London. You didn't enjoy London. England sucks, you said. You going back soon?

It was cool to see. Am I going back? I'm more of a tropical. Oh, okay. Not going to London. Okay. Be great. Okay, so I can respect that. Whenever we walked around though, when I walked around, I was

just trying to talk to people. I wanted to hear the accent first of all. I wanted to hear how maybe a word would pop up that I didn't know sounded awesome, like controversy. As soon as I heard English people say that, I'm to hear how maybe a word would pop up that I didn't know sounded awesome. Like controversy. As soon as I heard like English people say that, I'm like, that's how I'm saying controversy forever. Like as soon as you, so I'm trying to get everybody over there had a great personality. Yes. Everybody over there had a great personality.

And I don't know if there was actually funny or just as funny as the way they said it. So like I enjoyed being there a lot. We lost though. I mean, Blake, Blake Bortles, the, punted a ball into the stands in our face after running one in, and then we had to wait for their flight to take back. Not everybody loves it, Jordan. Not everybody loves that London game, I don't think. I can see why.

I can see why. I can definitely see why. But experience, to say the least. Super blessed to be able to go out there and be able to experience that, but not a place I'm just going to go on in my off time when I have some free time. All right, they said expansion draft coming. You're right in line to be part of the London Destroyers.

That's right. Whatever it is. I don't know about that one. Hey, have an incredible season. We appreciate you joining us. Thank you guys so much for having me on. I appreciate you. Can't wait to hear the man pad.

The man pan. Man pan. Next time. Man pan. Man pan Man pan Next time Man pan Man pan Do you play guitar Or any other instruments No I don't play guitar

I don't play guitar I tried to learn how to play The harmonica It's really tough But I've been playing the hand pan For about About two months Getting better

Next time I come on I'll bring it to you guys And keep having A-Rod on I love listening to A-Rod Oh yeah Talk about Real stuff Keep having him come on here Waking these people up Hell yeah Yes sir A-Rod on. I love listening to A-Rod. Oh, yeah. Talk about real stuff, man.

Keep having him come on here, waking these people up. Hell, yeah. Yes, sir. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. I don't think I know what you're talking about. Wake him up. I don't know what you're talking about.

Tell him, Jordan. Tell him, Jordan. All right. Well, we appreciate you joining us as well. And I'm happy to hear you're a fan because I've heard from a lot of people. They are not. No. So it's great to hear that you're on the side of his conversations because, I mean, it's phenomenal.

I'm not diving into it too much. I will, actually. I don't know enough about that world to do a full conversation about it, but I do know that Tony Fauci, Dr. Tony Fauci, was the most powerful human on earth just a few years ago. Oh, yeah. And now on Tuesdays, he's got to sit in his house with his team and be like, what is this fucking asshole football?

Yeah. What a thing. That's so dumb. But we got to talk about it. We got to talk about it, though. We have to talk about it. And it needs to talk about it. We got to talk about it, though. We have to talk about it. And it needs to be continuous conversation for us to talk about, for us to continue to evolve as humans.

It's not me versus you. It's not this versus that. It's us together, figuring this out together, continuing to talk, continuing to learn. And it's a crazy world we live in, boys, but I appreciate you having him on. I definitely continue to support his work. No, and also, I think the conversation

has to happen for the future, you know, for all of us. This isn't an us versus you type thing or you versus us or him versus them or anything like that. It's like, we all went through something that was fucking crazy. And it's like, we hope that it'll never happen again, obviously, forever, because what a wild thing,

but there's a chance it will. And when it does, we have to remind ourselves of some of the shit that happened. Like, we weren't allowed to make eye contact at one point. Remember they were saying, don't look at each other in the eyes if you're going to wear glasses. It's like, what the fuck is this thing? And it was like, I have no idea.

But we all survived. We're here. We did it. Hell yeah. We did it. We made it. We did it. Woo! Lost a lot of great people, though. It was a damn shame. It was terrible. But you're not one of them. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Boyer. Yeah, Jordan.

Give that ball more microphone time. I agree. Talk about it. Yeah, if you don't, it'll get forgotten. And that can't happen. No. But also, like, somehow, everybody's side is right somehow. Yeah, always.

Stats. Isn't it? is right somehow. Yeah, always. Stats. Isn't it? If you ignore the denominator, yeah. Well, Artie Smith talked about it. That was early. Yeah, it was. He might have been right. Merrill Hodge.

Merrill Hodge might have been ahead of the game. I was hoping he was on fire early. So for those that don't know and are just recently introduced to our program, the reason why you have learned about our program is because during COVID, when the world stopped and when sports stopped and everything like that, because of our positioning in Indianapolis and being a self-operated independent business and having just a YouTube page, we were able to maintain our program without missing a day. Everybody had to stop at some point. Okay. Like New York where most of the media is set up, L.A., where media is set up.

And I guess Connecticut, where media is set up in Florida and everywhere. Everybody had to stop because they were trying to, like, figure out what was acceptable. It's not acceptable. There's a lot of people that were scared. Obviously, we're not going to work. And it was a very scary time. But for us, like because of Indiana's rules and because of how big our office was and because we never had access to live sports anyways or rights to live sports and we had zoom calls mostly with people and facetimes with people so it was like for us we were able to continue and uh we decided to continue

and we made the decision to be the doofuses on the screens for people to pass time with because we had the capability to do that uh i ate the hottest pepper on earth office olympics mcdonald's uh tried to eat the mcdonald's thing started a show with aj uh tone digs was on a treadmill for 24 straight hours uh to see how many like so during covid was when we were pretty much being introduced to a lot of people because we were basically the only show that was able to go for a bit. And we didn't talk about the shit because we tried to be an escape for people. But, like, if you go back through and watch those shows, it was crazy what was happening through those COVID times.

Like, it was absolutely crazy to do that. And we might have to do that at some point if it ever happens again. That's why when Aaron comes on and says his side of it, people ask me, why are they giving a platform to this guy to spew his stuff? It's like, there was a platform given to a lot of people to murder Aaron Rodgers

because he decided that for him, he did not want to. If he died, that would have been on him. He decided not to get vaccinated. It was a big conversation. Then he was on our show. decided that for him, he did not want to, if he died, that would have been on him that he decided not to get vaccinated. It was a big conversation. Then he was on our show. So I was giving a platform to a guy that was spewing things and all that stuff. But then now, if you listen to him talk and a lot of the people on his side, they have found information that supports their side from the very beginning now. And they have not forgotten that there's a lot of

people saying that they were murderers and terrible for society and other stuff like that so it's like i think that is a good thing that comes from aaron speaking aside because i think there is a chance that people will forget about all of the shit that was happening during those two two and a half how yeah two years pretty much. It was fucking bananas. So I believe we all have to move on because we don't want to look back on terrible times, but we also have to remember that the reason why Aaron is bringing

this shit up so much is because I got a chance to see a lot of the things that were said about him, not only in the English language, but in every language pretty much around the world. He took a lot of, he was the face of the people that weren't getting vaccinated pretty much. And it was like, here we go.

And that wasn't just one person that was choosing not to get vaccinated. I think people forget about that too. Yeah. There was a pretty good amount of people. A lot. That were not necessarily for getting the vaccination for whatever reason. Now, a lot of smart people were saying,

I got vaccinated right here for work for the wwe had to do there's people that didn't though and it's like we have to remember that there's always going to be those sides and if you don't agree with them it's okay and then you just move along but you have to understand that they exist like that is just a part of life i think aj yeah and yeah like it's a whole like broader thing but but yeah, what are we going to, we're going to silence everybody. Like if you disagree with somebody, they don't deserve to speak. Like, is that how it works? I don't, I don't get it. And either way, like we're at whatever anybody thinks it feels like they're kind of stuck in

that situation and they're not turning their back. They're not going to change no matter what. And it's why like sports are so awesome because like sports, like prove it. Like, Hey, prove it right now we're gonna learn we are gonna learn and like the great are gonna be and the ones that aren't aren't so there's like a scoring system who's good who's not good who's right who's not right who's doing things the right way who's not doing things the right way there's a score and there's a lot of people that get to see it it gets projected what i've, and it's why I don't dabble in that world,

is, like, there's no scoreboard in the politics world. No. So there's never – you have no idea, you know? Like, I guess the scoreboard – No answers. Are there answers? Are there – like, is – yeah, I don't know. And will you ever say, like, hey, that team's run game better than ours?

You know? Yeah. Can you ever – you know what I mean? Can you ever – does that ever get – you know, that team's defense. Like, look at all the stats. Like, legitimately, they're number one against Rush, number one against Pass. They get to the quarterback more than we do.

Like, they are better at that. But I'll tell you what, what we're able to do on offense is much better than what they're, like, that's why it's hard for me to pay attention to the politics world. But we've been dragged into it, obviously, now with, especially Aaron's reminder of, you know know one of the most political things somehow of all time uh which was the cover thing but it's like it's hard to get upset about something that like is never gonna end it seems like and there's no game just to figure it out and just sort it and just move along and then we're all living in it when people

forget that like we actually had the virus we had covet 19 on the show like we talked to covet 19 so yeah that was a. That was very early. First day, right? That was right. It wasn't the first day, but it was the first week, maybe. End of the end. Sending people into the weekend. It was before the two weeks.

COVID-19 is the descendant of COVID-1. Yeah, COVID-1, right. Ew. Real son of a bitch. That family. That lineage. That's right. Yeah, we weren't taking it as serious at the beginning

as probably... They were telling us it was coming from a... I'm not even getting into it. I still don't get the people who was in the car by themselves the mascot. I don't get that. It's still going on. You never know. Whatever made people comfortable would do whatever.

You got to do your thing. The people that are still wearing them though, I do want to know what they know that we don't know like that is something i think we should all yearn to find out because it does take you right back to a couple years ago where it's like man i remember when i had to i got a massive fucking nose like my head big nose large that thing was scaring me to death on a daily basis so there's still people opting to do that on a way so it's there's still people opting to do that. So it's like, that has to be something you're very committed to. What do you know that I do not know?

Maybe that's just their new life. They want to be safe. Hey, fucking enjoy your life. Do whatever you got to do. That's literally how it all is. Did you guys, I couldn't remember. Did you guys, when you were still going on the show, coming together, did you guys mask up?

No, we were six feet. Six feet. We could distance. So once you got in the building, you did for you Did you guys mask up? Six feet. Six feet. We could distance. So once you got in the building, you... Yeah, we never... I didn't dap up. I saw the boys

for a long time. Just never. Couldn't dap up. Remember, we had to have those foot high fives. Yeah, bingo. And maybe elbow. Elbow, yep.

So like that day when they came down the office and said, hey, you guys all got to go home. Who said that? What day was that? Who's day, Chuck?

When I was at the Bears. Oh, that's what they said. So when it came down, said, hey, we got to, you heard rumblings, and all of a sudden, pack up your stuff, go home, and then we're going to, but take your computer, take this, and we'll give you details, further instructions as we move along.

How was that? So you guys, like, did Pat? Yeah, Pat did that same thing. Yeah, Pat came in and he was like, hey. I actually, this is. You send everybody home and then. Heavy is the head here, okay? I will say in certain situations.

But I had to read through, like, the city's. Oh, yeah. I had to read through our city's, like, laws and guidelines. We had to get a letter. We had the waivers yeah yeah we had to mandate or a necessity Aaron is a necessary essential workforce something that was essential errors we are not essential workforce that was the I thought that's the way no it said we were necessary says we're at news because we were new we were a show that could spread information to people.

Real information. I thought it was essential business. I thought that's what it was. It might have been essential business, yeah. Essential workers, maybe essential business. Yeah, essential business. Are those doctors in here, right? I don't remember what it was.

But I had to read through the whole fucking thing to see what we were able to do, what we weren't able to do. I saw that that was something that we had to get. So it was like there was a lot of things that had to happen. But I thought our office was set up for all the guidelines that they had like it was set up for us to be anybody ever come check hell yeah two times yeah random random spot checks had to have uh had to have paper no it wasn't fire the uh had to have paper taped yeah around the building reminding people to hand sanitizer and wash their hands had to be at like i forget how many pieces of paper we had to have up but it was like every corner you had to have

one it was heavy concrete areas in the office that's like where people get together and visible at all times i think it was like something there was some sort of had to read through all of it yeah so tim mcafee also was doing a lot of taping of his off and figuring it all out crushing then there was riots happening while we were in. Yep. Buddy, COVID was a wild time. Yes, it was. COVID was a wild time.

Not as wild as it is right now. Everything we do is seemingly being seen by the people that we're chatting about. So with that being said, Dr. Fotch, I apologize. But also, some things were said to Aaron that I think he will not forget about quickly. If I had to guess. Now, let's talk about this evening let's make some money tonight aj you just shook your head how do you do you think about dr fauci sitting in his house wondering if what aaron's gonna say about him do you think about i do um i do sometimes i a lot of times i will think about that person and their extended family like man this is our life has really changed over the last three or four years. Yeah. I mean,

the reason why I know him most specifically is because he is the owner of one of the worst. Oh, by far. Yeah. He's not a sports person. You know what I mean? His opening pitch is not supposed to be that good. It's not that big of a deal. But that is not obviously what he'll go down in history. He was the

most powerful person in the world. And now he's got to listen to this dumbass. We apologize that that happens, but also thankful that Aaron's telling his story. So, I mean, he's one of the greatest football players of all time. Let's move to football. Whenever you talk Jordan Poirier, he was pumped about it. How about you, Zyla? Before we get out of here, just want to let you know.

I love what you're doing. Thank you for letting Aaron do what he's doing. Aaron doesn't have his number. He's going to be finding it and sending him a thank you text. Aaron's like, excuse me? Always knew you were a good guy. So, it'll be Aaron, JFK, and Jordan now. They're his debate team.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., not JFK. Although, I mean, I don't know what you know. Bring out JFK Jr., though. All right, let's go to tonight's game. Jaguars Saints. Jaguars can be found getting two and a half points. I believe Trevor Lawrence will be playing, barring a workout happening before the game that will indicate that he couldn't.

So I don't even know what that means, but it seems like the lean is that he is playing. He's getting two and a half, taking on Derek Carr and the Saints, down in one of the most difficult barns in the NFL. Chuck Pagano, you were five and one in the last six Thursday night football games since the beginning of the season. Is that five? You tell me.

You're a five, man. Abraham Lincoln, five. How you doing? Five in one. This evening seems to be a much more difficult decision than maybe of weeks past. How do you feel? What do you think? Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, they're not super hard. Right. I mean... Tough game. It's absolutely tough. I'm taking the Jags, Chuck. That helps you. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought you said you were blindly following Chuck. I thought you said that. I was going to, but I realized I can't blindly follow anybody. Nobody should

do that. I love and respect Chuck. But I do. I like the Jags. You're banking on Trevor playing then, obviously. Yes, I am. But if he's not, old Beathard can sling that thing around too. He's 2-10. He's got 12 starts in his career, and he's 2-10. Yeah, those are those shitty San Francisco 49ers teams.

It's not this San Francisco 49ers team. No, no. Like back before they got Jimmy G. What's his title in Jacksonville? He's a backup quarterback. That's why he's a backup. Chuck, this man played in a Rose Bowl. I love the name

and I love the hair. Dad's a country songwriter, I think. Yes, he is. What? Oh, he is. One of his brothers is a country musician as well. So, country music royalty there, and then we got arm wrestling royalty in Chicago this weekend. These backup quarterbacks are connected to folks.

But Bethard certainly, he's dad right now. And maybe a reason why scoring's down. Why? Quarterback play across 32 teams. Oh, 32 of them. I mean, it seems like every week someone's out of the lineup. So, I don't know. But anyway,

you look at the Saints playing at home. Got a really good defense. He's going to beat your fucking ass. This is the thing AJ was talking about. I dropped my pen. I said, what the hell is this about? He said he wanted to put you in a home. I haven't said anything bad about. I dropped my pen. I said, sorry. What the hell is this about?

He said he wanted to put you in a home. I haven't said anything bad yet. He did say that. A nice home. Why don't we include that? I was leaning. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trevor Lawrence was going to play and play the entire game, I think they're good enough on defense.

They're third against the run. They don't do well against the pass. I think they're good enough on defense. They're third against the run. They don't do well against the pass. But Derek Carr in the Saints offense has struggled. Put points up, move the ball. I would definitely go Jags if I knew that.

But I don't know that. I do not know that Trevor Lawrence is going to start this game and finish the game. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? And it's a hard one for me. So I'm going to say that. Oh, no, he hasn't made a pick yet. He hasn't made a pick yet.

Wow, you might have influenced him. Holy shit. He's 5-1 and you're influencing him maybe. No. How many points would we get if we take the Jags? Two and a half. He's 5-1, and you're influencing him, maybe. No. How many points are we getting if we take the Jags? Two and a half. It's two and a half? Is it three now?

Two and a half. Two and a half or one and a half? One, two and a half. I saw three. No, you didn't. You didn't. You just lost. So what are the things?

Are we locked in this minute or on kickoff? So let's say for some reason, if we go Jacksonville, AJ, let's say we go Jacksonville. How about this? And then he goes through warm-ups, and then he's not playing. All of a sudden the line goes to six or seven. I thought this line was based off of if he was not playing. I thought so too. I'm assuming it's going down to one and a half on the books that are assuming that he is playing.

So if there's no question mark, he was in, say there's no injury, what would the line be? Would it be pick him? We don't know. I'm very confused. Probably one. What do you think, Dom? I don't think the Jags would be dogs if Lawrence was fully healthy. I don't think so either. I was surprised that they were dogs. I still think this line is wrong. I think

the Saints stink. I mean, that's how many... Geez Louise, the Saints don't stink. I think the Jags beat him with CJ, even if Lawrence doesn that's how many. Geez Louise. The Saints don't stink. Their defense keeps them in everything. I think the Jags beat them with CJ, even if Lawrence doesn't go. Wow. Geez. Beathard, 2-10. Chuck said.

Good player. Cam Jordan. Good player. Pete Warner. Kamara Davis. The Honey Badger. They got good team. I mean, they're Lattimore.

They've got a really good defense. They're fifth in the league. They don't give up very many points. 16 points a game is all they allow. Yeah. Their offense is atrocious, though. They're fifth in the league. They don't give up very many points. 16 points a game is all they allow. Yeah. Their offense is atrocious, though. They're 3-3. They're coming off a – they're in like a must – I'm going with the Saints.

Okay. Okay. They're in a do-or-die situation. Did you just sell yourself there at the end? No, no. I'm just telling you guys. I'm selling you guys. Because I know which way A.J.'s going, and I'm going the other way.

You're telling me. I'm taking the Saints, so I'm trying to convince you that in New Orleans, in that dome, with that crowd, trumpets, I mean, 76 trombones, let's go. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, Chuck, you're right. And I would follow you blindly. You know what I mean?

I would. Absolutely. All right, I'll take the Saints. How many old linemen are out for the Saints? Both are tackles. Both are tackles and then one of their interior. Two for the Saints. All right, give me the Jags.

Give me the Jags. Wait a second. They got the trumpets down there. No, just like Chuck didn't know what the hell he was doing at the beginning of his answer. I didn't know either. You know what I mean? That's not very good for the people.

I didn't know either. That was not. No, we're seeing it in real time. It's good. We want to know your thought process, Chuck. mean? That's not very good for the people. I didn't know either. That was not. No, we're seeing it in real time. It's good. We want to know your thought process, Chuck. No, Chuck, that's good. Yeah. Everything you did was great, actually.

Because I think this game is an interesting one. Because it's a short week, too. So what does that mean for offenses? More basic, right? So defenses can fly around a little bit more. Maybe defense matters more than offenses do. So whenever you think about Beathard, does it matter? Because are they going to be able to move

anyways down there if Trevor's not at 100%? Maybe he's not movable enough. And they've got Rasheed Shaheen. You love Rasheed Shaheen. My God, do I ever. Remember when he came on the scene last year?

Oh, yeah. Out of nowhere? Yeah, he was a dog. I think he's the wild card maybe in this one. A special teams return. He's been hot. He's getting a lot of burn at wide receiver, actually. Yes, he is.

Yeah, he's got a few touchdowns this year. You're watching a decision game, baby. Michael Thomas. Chris Olave's beat up, too. I don't think he's fully healthy, right? Got a toe? No. Saints are banged up. Yeah, they are.

Is Chuck putting today? Ooh. No one should ever putt. Alright, I'm picking the Jags. Those are Saints balls there. Any of those fall, it was a sign from a Saint. That's what I had in my mind. So I'm going with the Jags, but I have no idea.

And congrats to both of them being at that level. Yeah. Because it's not because they're so terrible. No. It's because I think they're both good. I thought, and the line freaks me out too. Because in my mind, I start to question what I think. And is it because the recency bias of the Jags

is beating the dog shit out of the Colts? And then before that, two games in London. We just heard Jordan Poyer talk about playing in London. So is this team mentally tough and talented to be like a real fucking team? You know what I mean? Like that's a real question for me about the Jacksonville Jaguars. So whenever, you know, they're getting points, it's like, okay, I understand that New Orleans is an incredibly difficult place to play.

We got boat race down there, and I got a lot of respect for them. But also, the Jags seem right now to be a wagon. So I'm going to go with the Jags. So they've won their last three, right? Yeah. Two in London. Yeah. And then Gardner gave them four turnovers, right?

They earned those. They took them. Yeah. Yeah, bingo. Thank you, AJ. They got a leading tackler in the NFL. They do. Doug Peterson.

C-T-O-T-T-Y. Yeah, they certainly do. You know why that's a statement? You know why that's a statement? Why? Because teams don't. Oh. Catch the ones they throw you.

See, Toddy. There's people that don't, and then the game goes the other way. You know what this Jags team does? They take advantage of their opportunities. Yes, they do. Josh Allen gets the quarterback. You don't think that may the game goes the other way. You know what this Jags team does? They take advantage of their opportunities. Josh Allen gets the quarterback. You don't think that may guard him into a little bit? Wait a minute.

So here's the deal on that. Even though they've got linemen down, you've got to believe that Dennis Allen, Pete Carmichael Jr., they're going to have wherever 41 is. You know how those guys are chasing Miles Garrett all over the place, those two tight ends? Yeah. They're going to make sure because he's got eight sacks and they've got 12 as a team.

So they've got one guy because what's his name, Trayvon Walker, the number one overall pick. He's got like four in the last two years. Is this his second year, right? Second year, yep. So he hasn't, like, the number one. He was like the number one guy, not number two. Aiden Hutchinson was who they were potentially talking about.

Two different drafts. No, no, same draft. Same draft? Yeah. Ouch run two. Yep. But what happened, though, is because of how good he was supposed to be. But anyway, my point is there's one dude for Jacksonville

that can get to the quarterback right now unless they pressure. And with the O-line and that, I wouldn't be surprised to see them throw a bunch more pressures at him, but it's one dude. So let's take care of 41. 41 cannot wreck the game. Did you hear what AJ just said, though? This is like how AJ is.

When he's playing cards cards he's like with his teammate boom the best thing ever is going to happen and then he's going to try to cheat to make it happen he just he just heard about trevon walker there and he was like it could be his coming out party like that's his immediate like hey pat we're good here remember let's let's not forget here fully confident in my decision always i will stick with it yeah golf next shot and going into hole i've never heard a more confident person while competing in something. Best Euchre partner of all time.

I like to pump my teammates up. I just like to. I'm a very positive teammate, especially when it's like Cornhole, Euchre, any of those. Yeah, you guys were down like 9-1, I think. It's just so much belief. Sure, we dominated that one. I think it ended up 11-1.

No, it ended up 13. I think I went loner. I think I went loner. Yeah, it was 13-1. Chuck, your whole thing with Beathard is backups. The Saints O-line is backups. Sounds like you love the Jags. They don't touch the ball every play. All of it feels weird.

Beathard is basically Trevor Lawrence at 85% Trevor Lawrence at 85% Is C.J. Bethard Feels like it's a biased opinion It's not That is a real knock on No that's

Not at all That's a slap in the face 100 minus C.J. can't slig the pigs 100 minus 85% No no no no You know You know

You watched him play in college Also he's got He's got an Iowa Hawkeye playing offensive line as well. It's an under game. No putting today. Don't need it. What if it's a shootout? Then I'll be the happiest young guy on the planet. You're putting, Chuck?

Putt. I'll drain it, Chuck. You know how to putt? I'm saying with the Jags, no more universe balls. Okay. Nope. Okay. Drain it, Chuck. I'm staying with the Jags. No more Universe Balls. Saints have been outscored by Christian McCaffrey and Raheem Mostart this year.

Holy shit! A lot of teams that have been. Etienne, that's the list tonight. I'm staying with the Jags. Chuck, I appreciate you going with the Saints and being 5-1. Let's remember that. We're going to learn a lot about both of these teams tonight, aren't we?

It's going to be a poopy game. It's going to go under and we'll have no idea. I don't like that. I don't like it either. That's why I tried to say it sucks, but I don't want to be the one to say it. Phillies are playing ball tonight. It's not in Philadelphia though, right? No, in Arizona.

I'll catch them. 2 o'clock game in Arizona. Arizona's pretty cool, too, though. What's that, AJ? That's your squad. What do you mean? Why do you have that weird look on your face? You know, part of my squad is their fan base. I like the nine on the diamond, and then I like the 40,000 strong

or whatever the hell it is around them. That's my team. Now, I assume they'll invade. Where are they going? Arizona? Arizona. It's on before the football game. D-backs do have a pool in the outfield. Ooh, that's pretty sweet. They jumped in it after they won. I did see that. One guy must bust a head off the

left. Yes, he did. He was late to the pool. For sure. Let's go to the putting green. You go, Chuck. Yesterday, we watched Darius J. Butler get beat down by this particular green today all chuck pagano has to do out of those seven balls yep he's make three of them okay just three he's a club champion i know but this is a tough green yeah it's a tough green if he's able to make three out of these seven we'll give 25 people 500 now coach chuck pagano

has spent a lot of his life here post football coaching golfing he is a damn good golfer Connor yeah too good some would say AJ club champion in his home club that's a distinguished title deal people like people take a lot of pride in that Chuck you should be proud he has a parking spot yeah proud. He has a parking spot, right? Club champion has a parking spot, doesn't he? Not in that age bracket. That's true. That's just the truth of it. There's no parking spot for the club champion?

He makes Tina pick him up. Nope. Why not? What's the deal? What do you get? What do you win? Chuck, what shoes are those? Those are sweet. Those are sweet shoes. What do you get as club champion? You got to go to the mic, though. Pat on the back and a walker.

This is too AJ. I'm not playing that game. I just want to chat. What did you win? You win a cup? What do you win? Some credit in pro shop. Oh, nice.

That's sick. Respect. Get you a mock turtle. 50 bucks. Respect. New golf glove. This is my type of club. Yeah.

Stay humble, Jame. Exactly. Stay humble. Good for that place. Two times back to the mic. Both times have been warranted. What? I can't hear you.

What? He was talking shit to somebody. I think it was you, AJ. I wish I could hear. Oh, okay. He's going back to the mic now two times now. Go, Chuck. There we go.

Two times. Two times. But he's not going to do it again because you know what he is going to do? He's going to bury three of these putts. And when he does, 25 people will win $500. Whoa. Retweet this post. Say something nice to somebody.

And put the most efficient way to pay them in the same reply. Chuck, club champion. Jesus Christ. 0 for 1. Off the green. Confidence stroke. Confidence stroke. What the hell was that that was a confidence truck was really one after it you have to go three of the next shots wow a man's a gopher you know what he was doing that first one

yeah that was on purpose that was awesome said, are you fucking joking? Oh. Maybe getting too cocky. Must go two of the next four here for 25 people to win $500. That's tough. Chuck Pagano. Roll. Roll. What's the best score you've ever shot on 18?

I can't hear you. 55. 80. 80. 80. Club champion at 80. I can't hear you 55 80 80 80 Club champion at 80 Okay It's club stakes Like

Jeez What is your problem To win a club championship They got handicaps They got handicaps Let's fly Foxy out there tomorrow And take that title away Yeah we got good pro shop trend

Hey listen so I won low net. So it was handicap involved. So it's even higher than 80. No. No. My low score of all time, legit, playing my own ball was an 80. What's your handicap?

It got down to 12 this summer. Okay. Very good. That's a good handicap to have if you're playing with strokes. Yeah. I have that one. I've had that one. I don't have you're playing with strokes I have that one I don't have it now But I've had that one

Do you take them on par threes? You take a stroke on par three? Yeah, me too People judge us I don't want I don't make the rules If it's one of the 12 hardest holes Tell the golfers.

That's how it works. I think it was Pete Dye. Yeah, exactly. You tell me. Peter. All you got to do is two of the next three, though, here. Chuck, 25 people, $500. Ooh, tracking.

Okay! Chuck, you're on a 12 handicap. Okay. Come on, Chuck. Come on. 12 handicap. One of the next two. Yesterday, D-Butt went what? He went 2 of 12.

Yep, there he is. That's a tough green that Chuck is mastering. If he makes this, $25,000. $500. Sorry, Phil. Sorry about it. Sorry about it, Phil. Everybody, have an incredible CFO, Phil.

Paying 25 people $500 is always a fun task. Just, you know, having to punch in the names in all these apps. But please, all you have to do is retweet the post, say something nice to somebody, and put the most efficient way to pay you so that whether it's on Venmo, Cash App, PayPal, they have to type out your entire name on there. Send it out. Call the platform. Say, hey, we got to send a lot of money out here quickly. Then they have to approve it. Then we have to get it all in there.

Easy process. Sorry, Phil. Super easy process. It's a lot of fun. You know, they make it easy to give away money, but we're thankful to do it because all of you that watch this show deserve to win something for allowing us to do this for a living. What a Thursday.

Chuck, we we appreciate that. I love being here. You picked the Saints this evening. Tone Diggs on hammer. I assume you'll be making your pick. Do you know where you're headed? Yeah. You normally don't like betting on Thursday night football games, right?

Well, it depends if I like the side. I don't like the side here. I like the total. I'm going under. Oh, okay. Tone's going under. Ty, I appreciate the hell out of you. What a day by you.

I appreciate you, too. Thank you. Your belief in C.J. Beathard, the Iowa Hawkeye, truly turned the tide today for me to kind of wonder whether I should stick with the Jags or not. I appreciate that. I'd go with the Jags if Beathard's starting. If Trevor Lawrence is starting, I might even fucking take the Saints.

Boston Connor, you're the absolute man. Thanks for the majestic Tiger shirt. The boys in the back, you're the best. Mitt on the phones, even though we don't really get to him as much as we probably should, you're doing great back there. That's a baby Mitt. Bill, the photos you've been taking with your camera out here,

gotten the shot a couple times. He got some good ones. Oh, yeah. Or a long sleeve today. I'm going to remember today. I'm going to get some of those photos. AJ, you crushed it. Can't wait to be in Ohio with you tomorrow.

And ladies and gentlemen, the man who makes all of our TikTok videos. Yes. A guy who I'm not sure I've heard him speak more than 40 to 45 words. Around there. A guy that I've never seen a more focused worker than. And a man that we're very lucky to have a part of our company. He's the only human that has any interaction with TikTok from our show. Yep. Our TikTok, I think, has a million.

Yeah, it does. We're following no people on TikTok, I think, has a million. Yeah, it does. We're following no people on there. I think it has a million on there. And it's because of this dude's incredible work. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Talk's birthday. And he's 30 seconds behind. He's 30, 35 seconds behind. Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday to you. And birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Toc. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Toc. Sergeant Toc over there.

How old is he? Anybody know? Yeah, 17. I'd take a bullet for him, but I have no idea what his age is. I got to be 25-ish if I had to guess. Is that right? Yeah. 25-ish? Yeah, 25-ish.

Headphone, listening to live show. Yep. Air pod, listening to what he's editing. Yep. Okay, so he's listening to a 30-second behind and maybe two hours ago. Yeah. And he's trying to caption he's editing. So he's listening to a 30 second behind and maybe two hours ago. And he's trying to caption the entire thing. One of the most fascinating brains of all time.

AJ, it is phenomenal to watch this guy work. He just comes in. Genius. Sits down. Comes on in sits down and he's just locked in I got a photo of that exact face

that I took you yesterday if we want to show it that's actually what he looks like he's fucking legendary and then as soon as he's done he's just like I'm going to run six miles and he gets on the treadmill runs like six miles just like super oh that's sweet yeah just keeps it moving talk you're a good one pal we're

very lucky to have you happy birthday buddy happy birthday he's phenomenal oh yeah and i do like i've called him talk since i first met him because he's doing the tiktoks but like he also doesn't talk no no yeah that's why so it's like a double on no offense to everyone else him because he's doing the TikToks. But he also doesn't talk. No, no. That's why. So it's like a double entendre. No offense to everyone else. You guys. He's my favorite coworker by far.

Talk? Yeah. Not even close. There he is locked in. Boom. There's the eyes. That's all day. All day.

That's focused. That's focused. Locked in. It's remarkable. He shows up, sits down, does that. He refills his water bottle over here. He stays hydrated. He stays hydrated.

That's the only time he really gets up. And then he goes right back over, puts both headphones back on, and he's locked right back in until that water bottle's empty. That is exactly what he does the whole day. So Zito also has informed me that he is potentially the first person here that clogged a jaw in two, I guess. Oh, he's done it twice. He takes big shits, too. Add that to his resume.

Massive logs. Throw that in there on the back end. I did not know that. That works really hard. How do we know that? Those are like commercial toilets there, too. We say, who clogged the toilet? He goes, oh, shit.

That was me. What are we going to do with that? He says all those words? Yesterday he said, clog the toilet again. Went and grabbed a plunger and went and clogged it. Just courtesy flush, dude. You know why you're in the middle there. But that's the thing.

While he's pooping, he's already thinking about the TikTok that he's not making right at that moment. So he's got to get back. It's phenomenal, dude. It is. What did he do before this? What was he doing? I think he was a talk for another company. A principal at elementary school.

He has an Emmy, doesn't he? Yeah, he's got an Emmy, actually, when he worked for the MLB after college. Dude, he's hilarious. Hey, thank you, Toc. Love you, Toc. Give anything to Bill. Clog a toilet these days. You know, when you're eating applesauce all day, that's why you don't get it.

We got a metamucil up in here. Jesus Christ. I'm so jealous, Toc. Don't get tiny when you're older. That's hilarious. Just wait, AJ. Not fun.

A little bait of poop? Yeah, they don't tell you about that as you get older. Smell like dust. That's a good time, though, isn't it? I mean, so much is done while people are just absolutely slaughtering some porcelain. You know what I mean? So much gets done. Oh, yeah.

And talk. Multitask. Just absolutely slaughtering our toilets here. Has anybody else got on the scoreboard there? I don't think so. There's been some...

He's leading by a landslide. I know that. He's the first and only to be able to clog a toilet here once and also the first and only to be able to clog a toilet here twice is what we first and only to be able to clog a toilet here twice is what we're saying here. That's another fucking talent, dude.

That toilet paper that you buy these guys, whoever, like it's the best. Is that Charmin in there? Ultra, motherfucker. It is ultra. I gotta be an MF.

You deserve that. I gotta be an MF. You didn't deserve that. I got to be an MF. I said motherfucker. You didn't deserve that, Josh. I'm sorry. You're such an asshole. I'm sorry. What is that all about?

And it was like not a funny motherfucker. No, I'm sorry. As soon as I said it, I knew I went too far with the old guy. So do you want to know why that is? I assume that was a decision that was made at some point here. So I was at, you know, Lucas Oil Stadium. Oh, my God. No, you did.

I had to take a dump before a game, and the toilet paper was single-ply toilet paper. And I thought to myself, this should be in the away locker room, and the home locker room should have the nicest toilet paper. Why are we even thinking about that? Do you get a pinky through? Fingers? Yeah, that's what I always take off my finger. That's right. He's going to poop on it.

But nonetheless, yeah, you can't. If you want to keep people in your favor, you need not get the single plaque. But does Talk know that there's wipes in there as well? Yeah. Obviously not. That's because our guy, Ty. He knows there's wipes in there. Everyone knows there's wipes in there as well? Yeah. Obviously not. That's because our guy, Ty. He knows there's wipes in there. Everyone knows there's wipes in there.

No, he is a backroom bathroom with me. He is, yeah. Yeah, he is. I thought it was upstairs. No, no, no. He is all over the place. He goes back here. I know where Foxy goes.

Upstairs. That's his room. That's his deal. He's got him and that whole side, doesn't he? So why doesn't Toc go up there? I think he does, guys. He's clogged every one of them. He clogged this one.

I know he's clogged this one. A plunger just showed up in that upstairs. He's taken two toilets live so far. He's testing them all out to see which ones. Hey, way to go, Toc. We'll build you your own throne. As you try the women's room because those are strong toilets too. I don't think anyone's used them.

Nobody has used the women's room, except for the ladies. Just Red Panda. That's right. Red Panda. I wouldn't mind getting in there, though, and giving it a spin. Just to see. It's chilly up there. It is cold over there.

Red Panda. I watched a video from, it's in our open, I guess, but I watched the video of the Red Panda draft spectacular thing. Yeah. We got to do more of that. We got to explore this space over here. Absolutely. Don't you think, AJ? We got to explore this space.

Red Panda was out here kicking bowls on her fucking head. Sick. In the middle of the NFL draft. That was one of the most absurd things of all time. It was halftime. I was 10 feet away from Red Pant. I mean, it was Mad Mel Kiper was given a breakdown from this room, obviously

way over in Kansas City, wherever he was there. But like, we need to do more of that. What is it? You know those guys at the trampoline and the crash pads? The dunking? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

The Sun's mascot. The gorilla. A gorillaing. Oh, yeah. That'd be Spooner. You've got the Phoenix Suns mascot. The gorilla. That gorilla posted a photo of me. I ain't never looked more high in my life. Gorilla. Oh, yeah. That was absurd. You did look.

The flash. Remember, Chuck. You've got to remember the technology these days. Incredibly bright. It's dark in the suite, and then the flash made it all weird. Yeah, and you could tell. I had to drink it all day, too. All day. You're never playing suites. drink it all day, too. All day.

You were playing suites. Smoking all day, too. All, all. Well, maybe. Maybe that was happening. But yeah, I was blinking at the wrong time. The flash was bright. And they just sent that thing out.

That was the first time I was really posted on their thing. Yeah. Hey, meet this guy. Yeah. He's there, and everybody's just, he's at the highest motherfucker on earth. Remember that blue carpet they put us on? Oh, yeah. It was cool. Let's get to a break.

Wait, blue carpet in Phoenix? No, out at the ESPN thing. That was the worst. Forgot about that. I'm not necessarily prepared for this world that we're in right now. All that stuff. I decided to eat things at the wrong time it seems like on a very regular basis and that espn party we had no idea where walk i don't think any of us knew we were walking into no clue we heard posner was there yeah so we were jacked up about that but we had no idea

we were walking into that was my first red carpet. Everyone was in ball gowns, and we showed up in T-shirts and jeans. I had a flannel on. I had a flannel on, and they're like, will you do the red carpet? And I was like, no, no, I don't do red carpets. They're like, yeah. You have to. Yeah. What?

Yeah, yeah. If not, nobody's allowed in. It's like, well, we just rode for 45 minutes. We're going in that fucking room. We were going. Will you just talk to two people then? Yeah, sure. We make a deal.

We negotiate. Yeah, I mean, there was, it was certainly something. Bruce gave six executives concussions when he was dancing to Paul Posner. He also licked the college football national championship trophy. Tastes like schnoshberry. I didn't lick anything. Bruce. Beautiful trophy, though.

Bruce, you were vibinging You had the most fun Out of anybody at that party Yeah of course When Posner told you To get down too You did That was an interesting thing That Mike Posner did

He had crowd control Of that place Yeah he truly did He told everybody Get down Shut up And then like As the song came back

Boom Boom The whole place Came back alive I've never seen A whole place In unison Like what Posner

Had the boys doing And Bruce was right In the middle whole place in unison like what Posner had the boys doing. And Bruce was right in the middle of all that. It was almost like Posner and Bruce were actually controlling the whole room. It was beautiful. Tony has mentioned it, though, before. When Lee Corso's playing sax and you're not standing up and partying for Mike Posner and Lee, then you don't have a pulse. Do you think he'll do it at the ESPN party this year?

Posner? No, Lee. It was not Lee Corso, Coach Corso on the saxophone. It was another very talented saxophone player. I think his name was Lee. Oh. And you guys just said, oh, that's Lee Corso up there. But I believe Lee Corso would be able to.

Hey, how about Lee Corso? You're going to see him this weekend, obviously, College Game Day. Wait till you see him, dude. He's so quick still. He runs up steps. This guy, he's so quick still like he runs up steps like this guy baller he's 80 what is 84 86 yeah 86 he's great i always chat with him a little bit when we whenever we do the friday live shows and i see him in the halls of uh you know before and after the show

it's great it's great catching up he's still doing wow you know it seems like he's really good he's his energy is good you know what i mean like for me yeah what i see he's really good. His energy is good. His energy is good. You know what I mean? Like for me, he's so nice to me. Always has been very nice to me. I think he is – there's a photo of him and Saban looking at me, and that's one of the most wild situations of all time. But I think like Lee Corso does – I don't want to speak for him.

But it feels as if he understands what I'm doing. I think so. I think he understands what is happening, you know, like why I'm doing what I'm doing, how I'm doing what I'm doing. Like, I think he's very, uh, he gets it, you know, with me always has, but like you watch him kind of just operate and he'll still drop like a little piece of advice to me. Like he'll come up to me and like coach me up on something. It's like really cool. Like it's a really cool interaction with him. You know, he's the first, my grandparents all passed away. So like I haven't,

I don't really have relationships with like older folks in my life. My wife's grandma, I've got a chance to chat with and everything like that. Boy, they've lived it. You know what I mean? Like we were just talking about like,

we were just talking about like everything that happened in 2020. It's like the amount of shit that we've kind of been through and seen. So anytime you can get a nice little advice. It's got to feel so good, right? Yeah, it is. It's super cool. Super cool.

He's still working, though. Oh, yeah. I've told him a hundred times. I'm like, I would not be. First of all, people are going to kick my ass out of this whole thing in no time. But also, I don't know how you. Aren't we working, too? Man, you enjoy the hell out of this whole thing in no time. But also, I don't know how you – aren't we working too – man, you enjoy the hell out of it.

Keep doing whatever the fuck you're doing. I do not have it. It's like Tom Moore. I mean – That's unbelievable. How old is he, 70 what? He's 83. He's 80 – yeah, close to 85.

Because he signed an extension at 82, and I think that was last year. Coaching for Tampa still? Yeah, 84, yeah. 84 years old? He's going to go with us this year to Pelville Beach deal that Jim Lyons, you know the guy? Jack's Donuts? Jack's Donuts. Hey, a lot of donuts here today. He'll take us out there and host us to that thing.

Coach Moore's going to come out. How's his golf game? He can hit the, I mean... You were going to say his back? You know I get my ass kicked by 80-year-olds at the course. Right down the middle, they're never in trouble, and they can chip and putt like Moe's. Is Tom one of those guys? Probably.

Oh, you think he stinks? Probably. Oh, God. No, no, no, I didn't mean that. Yeah, okay. You snuck in. No, he doesn't. He's going to hear this.

He's still talking shit, too. But the stories. Yeah, just been there, done that with everything. He's going to hear this. Yep. He's still talking shit, too. But the stories. Yeah. Just been there, done that with everything. He backed up Johnny Unitas. Yeah. He backed up Johnny Unitas. That's nuts.

And now he's still coaching in the NFL. You guys remember Holcomb, right? Kelly Holcomb? Yes. Legend. We had him at the Browns when Couch was our quarterback, and then he got hurt in the playoff game that we came. And he threw for a million yards and touchdown Tommy Maddox threw

for a million yards and he told the greatest story he's like how come you're always yelling at me and you never yell at Peyton you know when he was at the Colts with him in the early in late 90s and uh and you're always MFing me and you never yell at Peyton. Why is that, Tom? And he goes, because he's my boss. That was life. That's why whenever we learned about Aaron not having any say at Green Bay, I was so confused because, like, Tom Moore saying that. It's like the whole building was like that. Hey, that Peyton's place is fucking wild, dude.

The shoot that I was a part of for this thing there was like 50 there's i don't remember the i think i counted yeah there's like 40 people working this thing it was like okay i like that a lot of people are getting jobs and working out of this it was one of the most professional things i've like they had a trailer for me it was wow it was a whole first class i mean it was fucking unbelievable like if anybody ever gets asked to do one, I would say, like, yeah, you should do it. I had, like, snacks, food. You don't... I mean, it's Peyton Manning, right?

Like a movie. Dude, it was like a fucking movie. You played with him. Yeah, it's unbelievable. You can imagine there's nothing, no detail, no stone that's unturned when it comes to that. Well, they had this drone shot happen at the same time as this other thing. They got this... It was remarkable.

And I was like, they sent a request. Is there any chance that you would maybe want to participate in blah, blah, blah? I'm like, where's it at? They're like, Indianapolis. I'm like, yeah. And then I get there and I'm like, oh, this is a really fucking important thing. It feels like there's a lot going on here. It was top of the line.

Four seasons. That's a lot. They need. It was top of the line. Four seasons. That's a lot. They need to put that on YouTube. I agree. That'd be smart. They need to put that on YouTube. Don't you think? It's a good show.

Peyton's great. It's a really good show because Peyton is awesome in those situations. Yeah, they need to put it everywhere. They should also find a block. So just run it on ESPN. ESPN 2. Yeah, run it late at night or something. 10 p.m., 11 p.m.

Yeah, I don't know why. You know what I'm bummed about? This is a great pivot, and shout out to Peyton for having me on in Omaha on NFL Films for kicking ass and everything. But you know what I enjoyed last night? Oh, yeah. And it took us too long to talk about this. I'm sure people are pissed off.

Don't look now. That WNBA Finals game last night was a battle. There was a star player puke in the middle of the game on TV. Get back out there and continue to play. There was a momentum swing, a lead swing, and then a reigning champion goes into somebody else's house and goes back-to-back for the first time since 2001, I believe, 2002, with the Sparks.

And I did my research last night because I will say I don't know much about the WNBA's history. No, you're becoming a fan right now. The Houston Comets, okay, 97 through 2000, four straight. Range. Wagon. Just fucking wagon. Then the Sparks right afterwards. Yep. 2001, 2002.

They were the last team to go back-to-back until this Aces team last night did their thing. I'm confused about the last play. Very. I'm confused about the last play. Mm-hmm. You know, AJ, I know you were doubting. You coach your daughter's basketball team. That was a fun game to watch.

Like, genuinely. Fun game to watch last night. Because the Red Wings were, you know. Kicking the shit out of the Patriots. Oh, yeah. So that was on, but trying not to focus there. I'm watching WNBA. watch like genuinely fun game to watch last night because the red wings were you know kicking the shit out of the page so that was on but trying not to focus there i'm watching wv that was an entertaining game and it was a sold out hey unlike the unlike unlike they play super hard whoa they really do unlike that was a full barn okay anyways that game was sold out great environment i enjoyed watching it a job and i'm, that Aces team is fucking all the dynasty, okay?

And we need to enjoy it while we're watching it, AJ. Who's going to stop them? I mean, to go three in a row, that's the problem. Do they have anybody that can compete? Well, the Libs were set up to compete, right? Yeah, the Libs were still very good. Yeah, they had an off-night shooting, a couple of them. Yeah, B-Stew.

B-Stew. B-Stew, I think. You know, Fat Joe said at halftime that any given time now, B-Stew's going to start cooking. Yep. And she did. She's certainly a force, but not what she usually does. And that's why I think the ball was given to her on that last play

because she's B-Stew. Yep. And she was isolated one-on-one. League MVP? How about when they got the coaches on? And the game was dead. That is awesome. Becky Hammond, she's like, well, we need to do this.

Hey, motherfucker, you got to. She starts screaming, play some damn defense. They're cutting you. That was awesome. Yeah, I enjoyed the access, right? Yeah. A lot of access. It felt like they understand they've got to make it.

Why'd they have that on Sunday? I don't know. To start that whole thing. Makes no sense. On NFL Sunday. Yeah, it sucks. And if Becky leaves for the Aces, like, Becky should get an NBA job. She should be a head coach in the NBA for sure.

She was with the Spurs, right? Yeah, she got a couple interviews, but then she went to the Aces. She should actually be. Like, if the Celtics don't do well this year, I would want Becky Hammond to be the head coach. She's a dog. She's a beast, right? Yeah.

Like, very, very, very good. Immediately went to the Aces and changed everything. Yeah, she's been there for two years. And they've won two championships. You know who else has been there for two years? Who's that? Kirsten Bell. Boom!

She has maybe the cleanest fade I've ever seen. Did you see her last night? She has this fade that is just in a neck tat. And at one point, she told the crowd to shut up, bitch. I saw it on Slam Mountain. I'm like, yup, yup. What would like that Almighty? I would not mess with her.

There was a – because, hey, they're like – They're banging down. Asia Wilson is filthy. They let him play too, right? Oh, yeah. If that was like an NBA game, guys would be flopping, falling out, screaming for fouls. They didn't ask for shit.

They just competed their asses off. And then at the very end, we got the special treat of seeing an NFL owner doing his thing, doing his dance. People forget Mark Davis, world champion again. He said it in his speech. He said, hey, Las Vegas, how about it? We're world champions again. Sporting that sweet-ass do.

Where was Brady? He's part owner, isn't he? Yeah, he was at one of the games. I think he was at game two in Vegas. Probably not the final. He's working. He had Let's Go. True.

We ran the clip a couple times. Yeah. He did a lot of stuff. Let's Go. I mean, I think Jim times. He had a lot of stuff. Let's Go, I mean, I think Jim Gray, is Jim Gray in New York? No. I would assume so. Hey, you know who was? Darren Waller, plays for the Giants. He got a chance to be there. That was great to see.

Him and Kelsey have their moment afterwards, husband, wife. What an incredible power couple. That child started making offers. There's not even a baby conceived yet, I don't think, but you got an offer. Yeah, from my school. Whatever school I am able to do that, I'm doing it.

She's a dog. Oh, yeah. Hey, like, she came bouncing into that press conference afterwards, just like last year with the thing. The giant. Took it over. Teammates love her, too. You watch the teammates all enjoy everything she's doing,

and then she'll go out and just. The South Carolina women's coach. Dawn Staley. She was there, right, on the bench? Yeah. She coached Asia in college. So that's the tie. What did she do?

She yelled at somebody or something? Dawn Staley? Yeah. Probably. She's just a fucking junkyard dog. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I. Yeah, she is.

That's what I remember. Love everything about it. A lot of women's coaches are. That was awesome. It was awesome to watch last night. It was. Fever here in remember. Love everything about it. A lot of women's coaches are. That was awesome. It was awesome to watch last night. It was. Fever here in town.

Don't get there. They got the rookie of the year. I'm saying fever bad, right? That's what everybody said. I think so. They do have the rookie of the year. They have five top ten picks like two years ago, so yeah. I don't know what's normal, so please don't judge me.

They're on the up and up. You're delivering. Yeah, absolutely. They're going to be better this year. Just like the Pacers. Just, well, yeah. Pacers are through the roof. Buy stock now. Tyrese

Halliburton's about to go bananas. I met his dad. Absolutely, yeah. His dad's a great guy. Tyrese is a great guy. We're sitting next to him at the WWE event Fastlane premium live event. I do worry that the talent levels between the Pacers

and some other teams. There are like five or six super teams now where it's almost back to when. We got TJ McConnell. You need to watch your mouth. Okay, yep. My bad, my bad, my bad. But just think about it. Where did he dominate the hardwood at? Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Chartier's Valley more specifically.

Duquesne University. Okay. It's true. He's from Charval though. Yeah. You were right As was I but Duquesne was a stop point For TJ McConnell

He was a Duke Yeah They go dancing Of course With him Yeah And then he went to Arizona What years

That's a lot of years for him He's been for a while yeah Might be 10 plus Bruce didn't you get into A verbal altercation with this guy And then get a yellow card In the arena Yeah he's the man with this guy and then get a yellow card in the arena? Yeah, he's the man.

I mean, he did almost get a technical foul for talking shit to me and then said, well, he's talking shit to me, and then I got a technical foul myself, basically. But now we're boys. He's in the stands. Knicks were taking on the Pacers. He's in town. He gets rather close seats, right?

I mean, you were pretty. Yeah, I was like maybe three rows up. Oh! I was just letting TJ know that he couldn't guard the guy that he was guarding. He was incapable of doing so, and I decided to let him know. And I got him right at that perfect moment before the ball was inbounded where the place just gets real quiet for a second. It was nice.

Did you get any pops from the crowd? No, not really. They're still throwing it at you? The second Knicks game I went to versus the Pacers, I did have some other Pacers fans kind of getting in my face like, hey, shut the fuck up. Yeah, because you are like obnoxious at these games, right? I mean, that's like kind of your thing.

Does not back you up. Yeah, because he's a Colts fan now, so we get to experience it a little bit. So you get boozed up? You get boozed up, Bruce? He'll have a couple beers. What? He'll have a couple beers every once in a while. But, yeah, he gets loud.

Oh, yeah. It's good to see him for the Colts. And I think the reason why is because he's betting a handsome amount on the Colts. He's at the Colts game. Right. So in his mind, it's like, need to be invested in the Colts. And I've appreciated watching it because he is like a passionate fan. I've seen him tell other teams, shut up.

But he is that fan in the stands that is very active. Like very, very active. People that say like, Robert Mathis, I'd kick your ass. I'm like, what? I don't think so. I think Robert Mathis would beat the shit out of you. Probably. Alright, let's get the fuck out of here. Hey,

this is about it though. So let's talk about this. These live shows in front of people, we haven't been able to really, you know, because the crowds normally take it over. That's just a matter of fact. And with my attention span, I feel obligated for the people that show up to kind of do stuff

for them. So tomorrow, certainly covering tonight's Thursday night football game. Certainly making all our picks for the weekend. But I do believe we are going to be... We're going to have some... Ryan Day is on the show tomorrow. Here we go. Head coach of Ohio State, Ryan Day will be on the program tomorrow.

Hell yeah. Marvin Harrison Jr. will be on the program tomorrow. Heard of him. Let's go. Love that. The general Bob Carpenter will be live in person. Of course. That's going to be a must watch. Can't wait for that for his top five.

A.Q. Shipley, I believe, is going to be live in person. Of course. That's going to be a must watch. Can't wait for that for his top five. A.Q. Shipley. A.Q. I believe he's going to be live in person. Remember, he's one of Penn State's most famous alums. Right. Absolutely. A.Q. And I think some other surprises as well.

Rascal Flatts guy? He's got another gig, unfortunately. Oh, man. Midday on a Friday? Really? Kid's birthday party? Somewhere out of town. Somewhere in a different state. Son of a bitch. He would have killed it, though. Heday on a Friday? Really? Kid's birthday party? Somewhere out of town. Somewhere in a different state.

Son of a bitch. He would have killed it, though. He would have done great. Always does. Us saying we had Rascal Flatts guy on the show, too. That's hilarious. Yeah. Don't you think?

Yeah. Hey. Well, come on. We'll do it. But you said you won't. You said he's not going to. Not this one. Not this exact one.

I guess I probably should have given him a little more lead time. Tell him to jump on the highway. Come on, Don. He wants to ride it. Yeah. I want to ride it all night long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He has a buttery voice.

Oh, yeah. That's the one, right? Not the other one? Yeah, Gary, the lead singer. Yeah, he loves butter. Rascal? More flats. That's the one, right? Not the other one? Yeah, Gary, the lead singer. Yeah, he loves butter. Rascal? Or Flats? Do you have to get a buttery?

I don't know. Is he born with that? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Just born with a... Who came up with buttery voice? Well, because it's like a savory.

Yeah. You think about butter, you think about just putting it over a nice toasted Hawaiian roll. No, who first said that probably chris fowler probably he came in with his buttery voice and just i don't know if sun zoo said that did he mandated him he might have suns who said a lot he did i don't know if he ever it might have been in there isn't it crazy they were able to keep his for when did he die what did he say how many years back? 1982? BC, I think. But 1982 BC.

That's a long time ago. Long time ago. That's how you know his words are important. Amen. That's where we'll end it today in the church of what's happening now. Saban was awesome. He was. Unbelievable. He was sweet today. He had a good vibe, didn't he? He loves

I mean He loves you Loves coming on here He would not There's no way he'd do that if he didn't I mean And you're paying him fucking a million dollars I mean he will be

He will be properly He will be properly paid for his time with us. But also, he's done it all, dude. He's done everything. I think he owns a Ferrari dealership. I think Mercedes dealership as well. A couple of condos. That's that super business stuff.

You know what I mean? That's like John Elway. He has a bunch of those car dealerships out there. That's a lot to manage. I don I mean That's like John Elway He has like A bunch of those Car dealerships out there It's like That's a lot to manage I don't know

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I don't know I don't know He's never said that I assume he's very hands on Right But it's like Those types of guys Their entire days are like

Boom boom boom Mapped Need to be out by this exact point Like Peyton We definitely kept him Probably two three minutes over I have no idea What we interrupted

Probably Some sort of very important thing. Did he call with the DOJ or something? I mean, potentially. Maybe changing some stuff. Maybe he's up for Speaker of the House. I mean, I heard that's happening over there. Hey, figure it out, by the way.

What are we doing? Come on. They won't. I don't know what your thing is over there, but you guys should figure something out. I think their thing is not figuring stuff out. Oh, see. That feels like that would be something you say, but I think everybody says that. Yeah, exactly. Put Fetterman in there and be

done with it. Boom, just solved it for you. Pittsburgh guy, bro. Yeah. Pittsburgh guy. Yep. We followed that story from the beginning. Oh, yeah. It's been fun, too. Well, I have not kept up since. Aside from the health troubles,

yeah, it's been pretty fun. You're a maniac. Let's not worry about that. Let's watch tonight's game, and we'll be back tomorrow live from Columbus, Ohio. AJ, let's crush it tomorrow, pal. Should be fun, man. It should be a great time. Why are you motivating for the classy signs?

I'm not motivated. I'm just telling people. I was trying to promote the program. That's all I'm doing. Expectation. I like interaction. I like the fan interaction we have. You're an influencer. We appreciate that. Alright, we'll see everybody tomorrow. You're the best. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice.

It might change their life. Goodbye.