The Peacock and Gamble Podcast - The Peacock and Gamble Podcast: Edinburgh Fringe 2013 Episode 10 (The Tiger Lilies)

Episode Date: May 23, 2021

"Edinburgh Fringe 2013 Episode 10 (The Tiger Lilies)" from archive.org was assembled into the "The Peacock and Gamble Podcast" podcast by Fourble. Episode 122 of 128.

Pico and Gamble Edinburgh podcast. My name is Ed Gamble. Oh, and that is it. There's no other name today because it's just Ed Gamble. Because you might have seen, if you follow us on Twitter, that unfortunately Ray Peacock has not been very well and has had to go to the hospital. I didn't originally say that in the tweet.

I just said we've had to cancel the show because we had to cancel our show, sadly. Apologies if you had tickets for the show on Sunday night. We had to cancel because Ray was very ill. I just said due to illness I thought well just due to illness might have been either of us could have been either of us

then you'll notice about half an hour later Ray tweeted a picture of himself in a hospital bed wearing a gown so I think that was for attention and also to just let you know that there was a genuine problem it wasn't all one of us has got a cold uh one of us you know couldn't be bothered to get out of bed in

the morning it's because there was a genuine oh right and now so this is what i'm talking about he said he said ed will you please i need to have a rest will you please do the podcast and now he's come through have you told him that I'm seriously ill? Yeah, mate, I was getting to that. Okay. You come in here wearing your hospital wristband. Yeah, and I've got a plaster there as well. A lady put a needle in it. Yeah, so just getting into my stride.

Good night, everybody. Oh, good... Good night, mate. So as you can hear, he's genuinely ill. He wasn't playing that up at all, to be honest. He is an ill boy. The show will be on tonight, if you're listening to this on Monday. Hopefully he's all rested up.

But fingers crossed. But enough about him. Because today has been all about him, if we're honest. We have got a brilliant interview coming up in just a few moments with the wonderful Tiger Lilies. If you don't know the Tiger Lilies, they're a brilliant band. You should know them. Go and check them out immediately. Buy their albums. Go and see them live. They're absolutely fantastic. If you're a fan of the Peacock and Gamble podcast, not the Peacock and Gamble Edinburgh podcast,

the Peacock and Gamble podcast, you'll know that the theme music is a Tiger Lily song called Gouge My Eyes Out, which is a song they actually play later but I'll be back to introduce that because I can't get enough of all this solo presenting It's a more considered interview than normal because they're not comedians they are musicians they are more real intelligent

people, they're not clowns so we have quite an interesting chat with them, it's a different tone to the podcast and a different tone to this intro, isn't it? So it's all thematically similar. All right, then, we'll get on. Just to introduce the Tiger Lilies, have a nice chat with them.

Our show is Peacock & Gamble, Heartthrobs, 9.45, Pleasance Courtyard. Come and check it out. Right, I'll see you in a bit. Enjoy it, Tiger Lilies. Here we go. Peacock & Gamble, Peacock & Gamble. On the old Peacock & Gamble podcast,

we used Tiger Lil's music with permission for the opening theme and what we call the intercut. The opening refrain is of Gouge My Eyes Out for the beginning and then the intercut was the beat from Banging the Nails. Which was written in Edinburgh, actually. Was it really? Yeah, Banging the Nails was written in Edinburgh. Banging the Nails was inspired by bagpipes.

Was it? Hearing the bagpipes was it? hearing the bagpipes every morning for a month and I started the song by impersonating bagpipes and then wrote the lyrics afterwards so it was inspired by bagpipes

it sounds like an infuriated song yeah and I always had a fantasy which fortunately I've managed to get rid of now and I have no intention of doing it but I always had a fantasy which fortunately I've managed to get rid of now and I have no intention of doing it but I always

had a fantasy for many years that we should start our first Edinburgh show by having a bagpipe player come on the stage and then there should be

one gunshot the bagpipe player and then it should black out and then we should start that's alright you'd be alright with that maybe the bagpipe walk on playing banging the nails you know what out and then we should start that's alright you'd be alright with that maybe the bagpipe

walk on playing banging the nails you know what I mean maybe we do that as well but then just one shot and then so we shoot we shoot the bagpipe player

and then start I mean how's that conversation the bagpipe player yeah as that spiralled from banging the nails I thought that was going to go

somewhere far more sinister well that one probably has got you know the lyrics obviously nothing to do with bagpipes but that is actually the music

musically that's where it comes from well we should explain because I think quite a few of our listeners now are Tiger Leeds fans quite genuinely

because we've met at gigs and stuff where they've come and spoken to us at the gigs and that was their first no no it's not

so come on let's all be great friends but I think that has happened but I think there will be listeners as well with the Edmund

podcast who won't know who the Tiger Ladies are or won't be as familiar do you want

to explain it because I always have trouble explaining it so do we well Ed was

the fan of you first this is how it came about Ed was a fan of the Tiger Ladies when you were

at university and when you told me that I was like oh it's just one of his trendy bands. And I've discovered my own bands, and then one day you put a video up of, I think it was either Kick A Baby or Piss On Your Grave. It was one of those two. And which one would get you into it?

Yeah, yeah. And it blew me away. It just blew me away. And then I hijacked it. It went right. Watch now. I'm going to try and let it go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but to describe you as a band, I always have trouble with it. Well, we keep trying to come up with the right phrase. Death Umpire was one we were using for a while.

Death Umpire was nice. Death Umpire band. Satanic folk. Satanic folk music. That was good. Yeah. But it was pretty much just try to scare people away

well that's usually when we weed you after airports you know oh what kind of band are you are we a satanic folk band

yeah they don't they tend to go oh they kind of nod and step back what else have we been Belgian street opera

that was some man came up to me dark cabaret was something that seems to be very trendy we'll outlive the dark cabaret scene we've been better. Belgian street opera. That was when some man came up to me. Dark Cabaret was something that seems to be very trendy. It will outlive the Dark Cabaret scene, I'm sure. Yeah. I think the bowler hat is dying in Edinburgh.

Is it? There seems to be fewer people with bowler hats on this year, so that's probably a good sign. That's a good thing. I go around killing them. Well, this is the interesting thing. Mine! A nice cut on their throats. But that's the interesting thing, I think.

That's why I had trouble with it. You're not publicising this. I killed about seven people. How long have you been here, though? Two days. Totally a couple of days. I know people who've done more. This stage of the fringe.

I'd normally say go and listen to their stuff but it depends what you get yeah you have to sort of see it we always sort of think it kind of makes sense when you sort of see

what we're doing rather than just hear it it kind of sort of musically it kind of works but then when you see it with the band you go ah it kind of

when you see what Martin does how he performs and the way he's sort of singing and playing as well it kind of seems to make some bit more sense to people. Yeah.

I guess the Jools Holland clip is quite a good indicator. Yeah, that's a good one. When you did Bolly Boys on Jools Holland. That was our moment of mainstream success, wasn't it? Or exposure rather than success, probably. Yeah, that was it, wasn't it? They said they'd have us back, but they never did. Did they really?

What, they never offered you back? No, it was hard enough to get on there in the first place, I think. The person promoting Chocolatey Pizza at the time had to kind of work quite hard to get us on, and then we haven't been invited back. But you smashed it to fuck. It's not about that, is it, though? Is it because you wouldn't let Jules play alongside on...

He never offered. I'm sure he's not interested in playing with us it's just I met someone who'd been on there who explained to me that he'd been on and he'd played two songs

because he was quite well known but he was playing with another band and they'd had five songs and they were it's all about power and money you know and and so the band that played fives you know they were one of the biggest bands in the world okay so they played five songs and he he would he was allowed to play two songs because he was quite famous but and then he looked at me and he said you were lucky to be on there at all you probably won't be on there again and he told me that and he said, you were lucky to be on there at all. You probably won't be on there again.

And he told me that. He said, you know, it's all about money and power. And, you know, that's what the BBC and, you know, Later are about. It's money and power. But Later's meant to be. It's meant to be. It isn't.

It isn't. A vehicle for upcoming and, you know, all about the music and not about the business yeah it's all about the business but then there's also an element though from from their point of view where because i think to myself you know would i watch a program that was all about new launching new people all that sort of thing so there is a balance but yeah five songs is ludicrous for anyone that's what that's what that's what you get if you're if you sell millions of records one of the biggest rock bands of the world you you just demand it you just you get if you're one of the biggest rock bands. If you sell millions of records. One of the biggest rock bands in the world.

You just demand it. You just say, oh, you want the... Oh, sorry, I almost said their name. If you want... You know, there's all that name-dropping shit. I'm not into that at all. If you're one of the biggest bands in the world, you just demand it.

You want, oh, you want a song on your later? Five songs. I just don't think there's much... They don't seem to have much interest in having strange bands on. Well, they probably do have strange bands on. You know, a little novelty every week. You know, a couple of little novelties is fine.

Just to keep the credibility topped up. Yeah, keep the credibility up. But that's... But the funny thing is, actually, I'm not really attacking later because actually it's not really their fault. In a way, if they want to have one of the biggest rock bands in the world on, they just say, well, if you want us on, we have to do five songs.

We won't do it for less than five songs. So they've got all the power. The band has the power, and their record company and their management will utilise that. So that's the way it is. I remember a festival a few years ago where ACDC were headlining

but they headlined with the demand that they had their own stage so they didn't headline the main stage they had their own stage and no one else

was allowed to play on it what was that? download sounds rather nice actually I'd do that myself we would do that because it's actually

really nice when you don't have you have to keep moving instruments and you sound check and you get good for them I don't blame them

we should get our own stage we should just take it around with us bring it to Edinburgh don't just a little one

it's not a big one it's about as big as some of the stages we used to play on that's right we used to play on a stage for years on the King's Head and it was actually Adrian used to have to stand by as some of the stages we used to play on. That's right, we used to play on a stage for years and the King's Head, Adrian used to have to stand by the side of the stage

because you couldn't get him on there. Really? Yeah, yeah. The King's Head in Upper Street. This thing of... I sense a little bit of, not even resentment, but just sort of pissed-offness with that sort of thing. Oh, no, that's because I'm just it's early

it's quite early is that all it is no you're kind of a force unto yourselves I think the title is like if anyone

so if anyone listens to this now doesn't know the title of it go onto the website now and look at their itinerary and look at what

they're doing for the rest of the year or look at what we've done yeah exactly we usually put about two or three months work

up but then it's like kind of it's the 250 gigs a year that we've got for the rest of the year or look at what we've done yeah exactly we usually put about two or three months work up but then it's like kind of it's the 250 gigs a year that we've got for the last 15 years it's insane

we make a living yeah that's it really we're actually professionals we actually make a living but because we're not like a huge rock band

we you know we have to we have to work through the year we can't just or we can't sit back and watch our album

selling 17 million copies because they don't but not many bands do that now probably not so much maybe other bands have to work a bit harder now I think they are, I think people are working harder playing more often, more touring and stuff. Part of the problem

is because you're giving your album away all the time. Adrian Watson just gave me a free one immediately. What? I have actually bought it and I can prove it. It's on my phone right now. Because I love it. I want to talk about it later on because I really, really like it. Do you think you would do that sort of work anyway though? Even if you were playing to like three people a night, do you think... We used to. I mean, we played to three. One of the best gigs we ever did, in my opinion, was we played in Pilsen in the Czech Republic,

and our promoter was a bit shit, which of course we've had many shit promoters through the years. Shit or mad. Or both. And usually alcoholic. And we played to three people in a basement club and we played for two hours

and I was going really going for it and maybe it was five people or maybe even seven don't be unfair on yourself and then we played in America once on a student campus and I think we had about the same we had about seven people in the audience I remember in a in a in a on a student campus in front and i think we

had about the same didn't we've got seven people in the audience i remember we once we did walk into a bar i think it was in philadelphia and then there was like it was like a drunk postman asleep at the bar and there was someone else was there and this woman who looked like a at the bar made like she's out of a gary larson cartoon with a big beehive i mean hi we're here to play the gig she went what we haven't had a band in here for six months so we sort of kind of looked around the stage

and there was nobody there and it was kind of there was about one microphone and we just turned around and went on no no two German fans oh two German fans

Mannheim we had this nerd fan he was the head of some department of some IT corporation and he'd come call people nerds on the phone

no no nerds fine now nerds fine let's all call them nerds nerd'd come call people nerds on the phone no no no it's fine now nerds are fine are they nerds are cool now nerds are cool I think they're trendy now

oh okay oh fine nerd and geek any of them they're all they're all very positive I'm terribly sorry I'm showing my

how my lack of whatever it is the geek shall inherit the earth it's all no so they came along they came to see us

in Philadelphia but we decided that it wasn't really worth playing to the junk postman and the barb maid who didn't really I think that was

the only time we ever gave up a gig and that was the toilet the toilet in that place smelt like something I've never I've never I've never encountered

the smell before and I never encountered it again it had a particularly unique smell I've never encountered the smell before, and I never encountered it again. It had a particularly unique smell. I can't describe it. It was a unique, unique, unique... Foul.

Unique and foul smell, the smell of the toilet. Not nice or interesting. It could have been, I just spent the night in the toilet. It was the most amazing smell. Just inhaling. It was more like a box than a toilet. It was spent the night in the toilet it was the most amazing smell just inhaling it was more like a box than a toilet it was at the end of the bar

yeah yeah and that's the only time you've turned on your heel that was the only time I think we've never as far as I know we've never ever

cancelled a gig and that's in 20 25 years I don't think we've ever you know we've been very we've all been very ill

I think at various times oh yes we've all been very ill when we've gone on stage but we've been very we've all been very ill i think at various times oh yes you know when we've gone on stage but so we've never never cancelled really yeah that puts us to shame we've cancelled loads in about five years we do that don't we we have cancelled quite a few yeah why did you cancel various reasons the main one that will come up is because we'd have to be somewhere else that's a bit they go it's you know a is because we'd have to be somewhere else it's a work thing we'd have to be

somewhere else and you get sort of extraneous pressure to do that there's been illness where I wasn't able to do one

when I was very poorly and like you know some days you wake up and you go I'm not going to bother that's happened a few times

I can't be arsed making them laugh today well obviously they don't know how that feels no that's happened a few times can't be arsed making them laugh today well obviously they don't know how that feels no that's never happened but what has happened is how many tickets has it sold? one

we're not coming to Aberdeen for one person so that's the same so we did cancel that but you do feel like a sort of a monster to me as a thing. Like it is a moving, living thing that's always going on. I might be romanticising it in my own head.

I don't think it's really a monster. I think it's more like a small... A nice monster. A small monster. Like a... Yes, we're very small. I mean, compared to... You know, I mean, this is something else you realise

with the whole business, you know, that we're small. You're a big fan base though we do I was just got a coffee and this woman said is that a shotgun in your hand so I had my saw with me nice

and she said no it's a saw I'm going to do a podcast and she said are you on your own and I went no I'm in a band the Tigress

and she went oh I love you I really like your Punch and Judy album wow that's so specific very good I really like your Punch and Judy album and she went so specific very good I really like your

Punch and Judy album she went oh thanks good I'm off now because I guess the main one people

if people generally like you would be shocked at it Peter I think that's the one we kind of got more post sort of people

have kind of seen the show I don't know what it means very much but if you look at things like Last FM

I don't know what that is it's some kind of internet it's a sort of what it means very much, but if you look at things like Last FM, I don't, you know, as I say, I don't really know how much... I don't know what that is. It's some kind of internet... It's a sort of social media thing with radio and concerts. You can put concert dates up

and tell people you're going to them and listen to them. We've had people say what I'm listening to on Last FM. Yeah. It's like a sort of... And it'll generate a radio station for you. Depending on what sort of things you like

and what's similar to it. Oh, okay. What I was going to say was that Circus Songs is the one that's listened to the most. And there's another one, I don't know if it's Bad Bum, bless me. And then the third one is Shotgun at Peter. So actually on a musical level, I'm not sure about that actually. I'm not sure it's the most listened to. But obviously it had a theatre show with it,

a wonderful theatre show with it. So obviously, from theatre, I guess theatre-type, that's the one I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was then, because Shock and the Pigs then went on without you. It was then... They did a run with David Thomas for a pair of Ubu, for one run in London, and then we didn't really go on with that

it did but it didn't really work so then they had us back because, well partly because it didn't work and then they tried again to do it without us or they tried to do it without any of the original cast and that didn't really work either

and so actually it really, unfortunately in a way unfortunately it didn't actually work either and so actually it really, unfortunately in a way, unfortunately it didn't actually work without us in it There was lots of productions in Germany like theatres, so they did lots of they did their own production there was loads in Germany

and other places in Europe doing, theatre would like basically stage their own production with their own musicians and actors and whatever they just kept the songs basically and the structure and then they kind of did it themselves, their own way so a lot of people saw it without us being in it so it was a very

that was that one it was very much I think what really worked the best was the original ensemble of actors and puppeteers and us it was kind of built around us everyone sort of made their parts weers and us. It was kind of built around us. Everyone sort of made their parts and we did the music and that was the strongest kind of...

Well, I actually have a friend who saw Shocker with Peter and went on a school trip to it and then always said to me, that's why I first saw them because I was a fan. And then recently we found the programme and it wasn't you.

Oh. It wasn't you. Lots of people have said that. People come up to me and said, oh yeah, we saw you at the Albury. He did it, wasn't it? Oh yeah. And people come up to me and said,

oh yeah, we saw you at the Albury. And I thought, no you didn't. But then we came to see the screening at the V&A. Oh, the V&A. The screening of the film. So we came to see the screening at the V&A oh the V&A the screening of the film so we came to that and when she watched that she was like

no it wasn't that this is much no she was genuinely blown away by it but it was nice I thought it was a really nice screening though

it was it was fun it was really interesting and just sort of like a group of people watching this it was bizarre to watch a theatre show we'd never seen it

I mean we'd never seen that film they filmed it on a matinee i don't remember it being a great great performance as far as i felt at the time i thought i was a bit off that you know it wasn't kind of great because it was like an afternoon somewhere and we were kind of got interested our coffees and put the makeup on and went out and did it but it looked really good when we in the thing but there was a really interesting moment in that where we were all sat there because you guys were sat at the front you were front left

sat on the on the bank seats there and it started and it ran for about a minute and a half maybe two minutes with no sound and all

it was really weird because everyone was looking at you as if it was your fault going is this it is it not meant to happen

but Adrian Adrian Hughes was filming it yeah though was filming it yeah he was filming the film yeah it was really bizarre

he used to film everything I wonder if he's sitting at home watching all the films he made probably he could be doing that maybe he's catching up

on the life on the life yeah because it's a relentless it is a relentless sort of touring schedule you do and it's worldwide that's what I always can out yeah we've just been to america just played

in brooklyn and we're off to you know back to russia and america and austria and chile we're playing in chile we've been to korea this year and shanghai because you say it's a small a small thing but it's very rare for a like a small band to have that wide wide we've got we're sort of not a huge band

like everyone knows but we do get around yeah and we do kind of get to go lots of places that even kind of big bands don't get to do

so we have a kind of a sort of a large footprint with a small shoe a large yes we've got a large footprint with a small shoe

yeah a large a large no no no that's large footprint with a small shoe yeah Cinderella no no no that's the other way around no no no that was a Cinderella

I bet you've got a new album title a large footprint with a small shoe yeah so you were in Edinburgh this year yep

you weren't here last year no you weren't here the year before no which both annoyed me because there were the two years that I came up and I was quite

looking forward to it going right I will relax after the show I'll go and watch them this year are you going to make them answer for the fact you're annoyed this year you clash with our show

so I can't do it again and although I was saying because we finished at twenty no we finished at quarter to quarter to eleven yeah

which means you've been on stage for about half an hour at that point depending on how the other shows go we might have been on about ten minutes ok but yeah suits me but I was going to just literally go out of our venue and watch you but you're not at the same venue this year no we're at the

cow barn in the other belly where you usually are would have been more handy for me it's so difficult for you this year it would have been nice for me to walk out of my venue

straight into yours and just relax for a minute is there any possibilities yeah or even just do it in the corner in our show

we could just have you there it'd be quite nice it'd be convenient how do you feel about Edinburgh what's your overall feeling on it is it just another

run or is it it's nice to come back every few years you know and just do a limited run

I think it's a bit boring otherwise I don't think we want to spend a whole month here it's hard isn't it

because every night you have to do the show and so it's a bit, it's hard, isn't it? Because every night you have to do the show. And so it's a bit, it's a bit boring. Maybe not even boring, but hard, you know, hard work, you know, getting up every night, every day, you know, to do a show. We do runs in places, so we're kind of used to doing sort of a few weeks and sort of places like that.

But then we get paid for those. And we don't necessarily have to throw all our stuff on in ten minutes and take all our stuff off again. Just turn up and play. But you must make money at Edinburgh in terms of the size of the room you're doing. We did make some money last time.

I'm not sure we'll make any this time. I don't know. We'll have to see. Okay. We can tell you categorically we definitely won't. If we have a complete sellout which is looking more... Yeah. So you've done all the numbers. If you sellically we definitely won't. If we have a complete sell-out, which is looking more...

So you've done all the numbers, if you sell out completely you won't make money. It's several grants that we will lose, definitely. So we won't, so you know, that doesn't really, you know, you just come up for a few days and enjoy yourself and that's really the only point of doing it, you know, and there's no other reason to come up I think we're looking it's good that we've

had a bit of a break and then we're coming back and we're quite into it now I think doing these shows we're a nice venue so the sound's very

good and the set's really good at the moment so I think we're a really strong set and we've got a really good venue and really good sound so we

can actually play to the best of what we can do instead of having to play in some terrible venue that isn't really designed for music so people come we're actually going to the best of what we can do instead of having to sort of play in some terrible venue that isn't really designed for music yeah so we're actually people come we're actually going to get a really good sound and hear as well and see as well it's surprisingly difficult to find that sort of thing it is hard we've been there's been lots of backwards and

forwards about where we should play and we managed to get i think the best venue that we could really get really for us and what sort of mix do you have a set set or do you actually mix it up we're doing a set set at the moment I think you know we've kind of we've been kind of we've been kind of sticking

to a sort of a set of songs because we've kind of got the new either or album and we've got the ancient mariner and we're pulling songs from hamlet

and I think and void tech yeah so so we've got we've got sort of four albums we're sort of pulling stuff from at the moment and I think we're

also at the moment we're kind of more interested in playing the newer songs rather than kind of going to the back catalogue. Which kind of every few years it kind of changes. Sometimes you feel like it's the right time to kind of start playing older songs. And sometimes you feel it's the right time and you want to just do newer songs.

So it kind of goes in waves. Sometimes we feel like this and sometimes we feel like that. So at the moment we're playing mostly newer songs and not really doing much from them sometimes if you play old songs you start to feel like you're a tribute and we're quite lucky because we don't actually

we don't have any hits which is great because we don't actually have to play our hits because we don't have any but you know what your hits are though yes, the songs that people kind of usually ask for and then we do that at the end

we have a request at the end and so we do a different song every night so it gives people something of the old are the requests quite similar night to night? Sometimes, there was a couple the other night that were quite, last night that were sort of strange ones. Do we do it?

She gets some very unusual ones. I mean, yeah, I mean, because we've written so many songs and people do like

some of the stuff that we haven't played for years which we obviously can't play. I was going to say with such an extensive back catalogue

I guess occasionally you get requests where you just go I can't remember that. Well, sometimes we start off one

and then kind of get a verse and a chorus in and then kind of get a better verse and a chorus in and then sort of collapse I know recently we saw the is it New Players

I want to see New Players yeah New Players yeah we saw New Players on the last night of the Shockley Peter Gori End run that we did

we went twice to that one we did yeah we went early on on the last night and that was that was the only time I've ever read You Forget Lyrics

and it was in the Hip Deep family in that bit and it just got tangled in that and you just asked them to tell you yeah yeah no no i mean it's you know so we've done 30 35 albums and i'm today after we've finished talking here we get me and adrian are off to the disabled toilet in the venue in the venue and we're going to be rehearsing for the 36th album you know because we're going to start recording on Monday really? is it themed around disabled toilets?

it's got nothing to do with disabled toilets is it a clue? no unfortunately I wish it was it's just the only available space in the venue that we can actually access for an hour in the afternoon so we saw

the disabled toilet, it was quite spacious it's quite a spacious toilet it's quite good you're more than welcome to use our living room it feels awful sending you off to a disabled toilet well it's a nice gesture my double base.

My double base is actually at the venue, so I can just walk upstairs. We'll make one. We'll make one. You're always making your entrance. Do you want to cab it over or something? Yeah, we'll make one. We'll make you a theremin,

because I still refuse to believe that's a nice gesture. I'm just worried what if a disabled person needs to use the toilet. Well, there is that. We haven't quite come across what happens when. I suppose if there's a knock. If there's a knock on the door. We'll just have to get out

stop down tools and go outside wait wait just tell them not to take too long yeah yeah

yeah do you find when you're writing your mood's changing now as with sort of the progression of time and with the with the amount of

albums you've actually done because you do knock them out like nobody's business I don't mean in the disabled toilet that would be that would be horrendous I mean as in

your albums come out thick and fast don't they well most of the albums these days are related to shows so we do the mood of the songs tends to be related to what the show's about. Yeah.

So, you know, and that's changed. So that makes a big difference, really, and then, of course, the mood's changed. So it's actually influenced by the person who wrote the thing I'm doing. So, for example, the next collection of songs will be about murder, lots of songs about murder. And then it changes. This one was sort of philosophical stroke.

That was quite philosophical, based a bit on philosophy. And then the one before that, there was one we did which was basically based on body fluids, wasn't it? That was Here I Am Human, which Richard recorded in Edinburgh, and it was pretty much based on body fluids, wasn't it? That was Here I Am Human, which was recorded in Edinburgh, and it was pretty much based on body fluids. I've got one. There's one song in that that I have to, from In the Car of My Girlfriend,

that actually makes me skip it, which was the, I can't think which one it was. It's to do with eating. Yeah, shit. It was probably, yeah, yeah, yeah. It comes from this writer, what was the fucking name now? French writer from the,

he wrote this, Pantagruel and... Gargantuan. Gargantuan, and it's a big, thick, medieval book, and that's where it comes from, and it's about, and he talks a lot about eating trite,

and then getting diarrhoea. It actually comes from the book, so it's all, each one is influenced by, you know, then I've written a few albums about the sea, the ancient mariners, about, so there, yeah, all I'm saying is, so the mood, answering your question, is really about, it comes from, you know,

whatever the shows that we're doing. Yeah, it's, that's what I was kind of trying to say earlier on, is when you try and explain to people or you try and say listen to the title of it it's like well what are they like

it's like you could put it on shuffle but it's like it could be something like hopeless romantic or tragic or whatever or it could be something

about cancer or it could be you've got to sort of discover it for yourself absolutely you find an access point and there's so many thematic differences

throughout it's just a whole sort of world to discover and it's certainly I mean it's changed it's just a whole sort of world to discover. And it's certainly I mean it's changed as we perform through the years I mean there have been we've gone through phases where literally the audience sit there you know like they've been weeping

you know just like because it's so melancholic and so slow and then we've gone through you know all these really sad songs and then we've had other phases where people have been laughing or we've gone through all these really sad songs and then we've had other phases where people have been laughing or we've thrown, you know, almost like a comedy band. We've gone through many different phases and given out. So live it's been similar to the albums.

And that's why I suppose because we've been going for so so long and uh we've made so many songs and about so many different subjects that the moods you use different moods you know so you go from being a comedy band to being more miserable than leonard cohen default which is which is you know it's it's but we've done it we you know we've said we've been like from max to Leonard Cohen or something. That's what I really like about Tiger Lily's gigs is that you can control the mood of the room so much

because you've got so many different sort of areas to choose from so you can bring it right down with something melancholic and then immediately

pull the rug and do something really upbeat. That last gig we went to, that last one we went to, the ladies behind us were getting very upset. They were getting very upset they were getting

very sort of like I remember shouting at one point cheer up it was a very melancholic set throughout but they were getting

really properly angst and they were dressed up to the nines as well they were like really oh yes I think I remember that

they were those strange fans I think from Brighton or somewhere they kind of wanted a sort of more of an upbeat... They wanted dirty, dirty, dirty stuff. And we were playing very melancholic.

You know, that's... So maybe we lost them. I don't think you lost them forever. But they were. So did they come and talk to you afterwards? I think we probably did lose them. They seemed like that sort of person, actually, who were... Sometimes those people are very...

Unless you give them exactly what they want and they can get a bit funny. We lose most of our fans in the end. I mean, you know, it's just... I mean, not like fans, maybe, you know, but the real fanatics. You know, we get these people that come for a year or two. They come to all the shows. They come to everything. But in the end, you can't maintain you can't maintain

that level of I don't we don't blame them no no also they get very attached to a particular kind of album or set of songs

they get very attached to them they kind of identify themselves with those songs and then when we kind of go somewhere else they don't go with us a bit like Frank Zappa

I mean he's had lots of different people who liked his comedy records didn't like his serious sort of jazz noodling and all this sort of stuff. So it's kind of... You have to change artistically,

but the audience is usually very fixed on a particular period, and that's one they identify themselves with, that period. And when you go off somewhere... Yeah. It's a period of their lives as well. Yeah, exactly.

So especially with music, bands will go in and out with people's lives it's if you go on a long time as well we get people come up to us who said they saw us when they were seven at Shock of Peter now they're 20

you've killed them for whatever but I guess anyone fanatical if that's in your nature to be fanatical and to be obsessive and to come to every gig and follow bands around and all that then that's

we hope they get over it eventually I think you latch to things that obviously says something about you you latch to things for what you need it for and then eventually

I always you might not feel the same but whenever we've had people who've come to like a lot of shows and they always come and speak to us afterwards and then you know something might change in their lives

or they're too busy to come and see us again, I feel sort of betrayed. Yeah, we get. I think that's because we're not dealing with as many people. But we do, because we genuinely do. Or where's fucking Zonzo? On a quiet night. They would have helped.

Where's fucking Zonzo? He should always be here. It's a bizarre one, isn't it? Yeah. But I remember Sal Pero saying he was like he'd sort of

ended up in charge of Rocky Horror's fan base and he always said about it as a you know a living thing that people came into

and went out of yeah and that some people had been there from the beginning some people had come in got what they needed from it

and gone and I guess that always happened yep or they'll be murdered as you say yeah well eventually

I get around to them I don't know Peacock and Gamble Peacock and Gamble it comes from very dark places your stuff the stuff that is

proper I mean that sounds such an obvious statement to make like there's dark and there's dark isn't there Martin and there's

I've definitely had thoughts in my mind that I thought if I ever tell anyone these thoughts that's going to reflect really badly on me. And you'll put them in a song. And often a happy song as well.

It'll sound happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the one I enjoyed the most was... It's funny you said this thing about changing the mood. I think the song that really changed the mood most dramatically was when I... I think there was a song where I start the song with really changed the mood most domestically was when I I think it was a song where I start the song with I raped my mother

and I always used to place and I always used to do it just after a very funny song so I would sing I would sing I raped my mother and everyone would laugh laughter laughter

is that for your own entertainment I used to find it very entertaining my mother and everyone would laugh. Was that for your own entertainment? I used to find it very entertaining. Everyone would laugh and then people would stop and then I carried on I don't know what the second, I drank her blood I think was the second line. And then people started to stop laughing and there was always a few that

carried on laughing when everyone else had stopped. And they were the ones people started looking at. What are you laughing at? This is horrible. And it was really good. So it's interesting to do that with people. I think probably the... You see, I know nothing about comedy

because I don't find it funny. But I'm mystified. I am completely mystified. Really? Oh, yeah. I listen to comedians, and I just don't understand why anybody laughs. I'm completely mystified.

I just don't understand how the whole dynamic works. Comedians make jokes, and people laugh. I don't understand it. It's beyond me. But I think probably the best comedians, but as I say, I'm talking about but I think probably the best comedians, but as I say I'm talking about someone I know nothing about now but I imagine the best comedians

actually are the ones that take it to the very edge and then they keep it nice and light and then they back I sort of imagine that's probably It's shifting sands though isn't it because at the moment in comedy there's certainly a thing of the risks are going proper out the window

where people won't take risks because they're so business headed so they're saying sort of about what they want to be and where they want to be on

and all that so people are playing it pretty safe I think at the moment generally speaking and everyone's so hot on the offence thing that in terms of

mainstream comedy and television comedy there's not many risks being taken so when you can't understand the dynamic, can you understand when you do a song that makes people laugh? Can you understand why people are laughing at that? Or does that misbehave with you?

No, no, because I think I understand. I try to make them funny when I do. But it's just... The only reason... I never listen to comedy, but we did actually once go on after a comedian and he was a famous comedian and he plays here regularly and he's a well-known comedian.

And I genuinely thought, I'm going to go and listen to him for about 20 minutes. And I listened to him for 20 minutes and all the audience were in hysterics of laughter. And I was listening. You can't see this. We can hear you're silenced. We can hear you're not laughing.

I was straining his ears waiting for the jokes. But then I realised people were laughing. So I was totally mystified. And it then I realised people were laughing you know so it really they I was totally mystified and it was that moment I thought you know what

there's something wrong with me do you but do you laugh you must laugh oh yeah no I do laugh but not not comedians

no you're being awkward you're just being awkward aren't you probably well I laugh I laugh at anything unless it's trying to make me laugh and well I laugh I laugh at anything unless it's trying

to make me laugh and then I won't laugh at all no no I don't how do you feel about this Adrian I'm not a huge fan you were

I think you were pretty similar no no I mean I just hated what this I didn't like the act it wasn't for me

who was it I'm not going to say it no no I swear I will cut it out I swear alright write it down write it down he seemed like a very nice guy actually

I don't know he was very friendly oh okay I've never seen him well he wasn't that famous but I mean I do like he's kind of he's specifically famous

but I like I mean I kind of like I mean I've been listening to Doug Stanhope I like him he's specifically famous I've been listening to Doug Stanhope I like him he's great and I liked who's the

big one the big one apart from him the one the guy that died

Bill Hicks I like the kind of guys that are edgy and actually trying to do something someone just standing up, telling

a load of jokes about their lives is very interesting to me. Just like most bands, you know, I wouldn't listen to most bands. But see, that's true. That's very true. See, I mean, exactly. Exactly. I'm just agreeing with you. I mean, it's the same with bands. I mean, I have no time for them. I never listen to bands.

I never listen to comedy. But I mean, as you say, there are probably some really good comedians. Yeah, well, Hicks and Stanhope are a good example. Stanhope's good, I find, because he seems to have energy and he's actually trying to confront the audience with something genuinely interesting and edgy.

It's good. It's well-crafted and he's got a good character. And it's what he's saying. The ideas are very important. He's not an idiot. Whereas most stand-ups just seem to be, what was it, one of our people who works with us said that he has to go to all...

Apparently they take lots of cocaine and go to the loft bar. This is what I was told last night. It's comedians. Yes, comedians. They all go to the loft bar. I've been there, but I've not took cocaine yet. You watch them all darting in and out of the toilet every ten minutes. This is what goes on.

I think we're doing it wrong. We just come back here. And then we keep going and doing our shows and things. We're not very, very honest. One of our promoters or people said that he has to go and see all these comedians to book them or something. And he said, if I have to see another man in his early 30s talking about his divorce you know you know he'll kill himself but i mean i like someone like simon munnery i like really like simon money because he's intelligent and he's surreal and he's funny and he's playing with

what he's doing so i think i think people like him are kind of more in tune with what we do and then all the other people are more in tune with some band. Oasis. Oasis. Hold the plate. Let's just take the Easter shot. Hello, Ed here again by himself. Sorry, I've had a wine now. It's difficult when you cancel a show because you don't really know what to do with yourself at the Edinburgh Fringe because you get into such a routine,

and the only way to break it up if that routine gets knocked off course is with alcohol and I can really see why a lot of sort of nurses and teachers turn to booze because the only thing to take the pain away when you're not doing your job. Anyway I'm just interrupting to say we're about to hear a performance from the Tiger Lilies that happened in our living room to me and Ray of Gouge My Eyes Out which is the theme to the Peacock and Gamble podcast. It's really exciting, we were genuinely giddy, we managed to hold ourselves together during it but I think if you listen really carefully you can hear me do a little squeal but I hope you enjoy it I won't work in your

factory I won't work on your land and I won't obey you any more than I can your politics disgust me your system makes me

rich the poorer getting poorer Politics disgusts me. Your system makes me rich. The poor are getting poorer. The weak ones more impressed. But I won't drool, won't drool up your orifice. My seed will not be spent. You can gouge my eyes out. I will not repent. Come on and gouge my eyes out. I will not repent. Come on and gouge my eyes out.

I will not repent. Come and gouge my eyes out. I will not repent. To be perfectly frank with you, I don't want to give a toss. If they crucified the lot of you on a burning cross, I wake up every morning and the first thing that I do is take my two fingers and stick them, stick them up at you.

You can get my eyes out. I will not repent. You can gouge my eyes out. I will not repent. How will I? Who would crawl up your orifice? My seed, it will not be spent. Oh, no! Ad, you've ruined it! No, I can't, it will not be spent. Oh, no!

Ed, you've ruined it! No, I didn't, it's just... You can't just... Down! You will learn to do, I will not repent! Oh, we are in fact gone. Marvellous. You can put that on YouTube. We were there, we were there then. Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, podcast, which you will, the guest is Alex Horne. And that all went very smoothly. There was absolutely no problems in that interview whatsoever. So get that tomorrow.

Peacock and Gamble Harps Robs is 9.45 every single night until the end of time at the Pleasance Courtyard. So come to that. I'll be honest, I've quite enjoyed just doing this by myself. You probably haven't enjoyed it. Right, now he's knocking on... Right. And he's so handsome. I'll be honest, I've quite enjoyed just doing this by myself. You probably haven't enjoyed... Right, now he's knocking on... Right.

And he's so handsome, even when he's ill. He can hear me. I'm just coming! See you tomorrow. The Peacock and Gamble Edinburgh podcast is a ready production hosted by chortle.co.uk Today's guest was Martin

and Adrian from the Tiger Lilies and our show is the Tiger Lilies live in the pods live all music by Thomas Funderay apart from the music that we did. That's true. Yeah.

See you tomorrow. You're coming again tomorrow? No, we're not coming tomorrow. I won't work in your factory. Factory, I won't work in your factory I won't work on your land I won't work in your factory I won't work on your land I will not obey you

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I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will not obey you I will I tell you what we could do, give me my iPhone. Do you want the lyrics? Yeah, give me the lyrics and then I'll... I know I shouldn't do this, but... Your politics disgusts me. If you want me to do it, I'll do it. Do you know the words?

Well, why don't we do that? Why doesn't Adrian sing it for a change? Well, you sing it. I'll play along with you. I can't remember the chords. I'm not sure I can do the high voice. I work in your factory. I work on your land. I'm not sure I can do the high voice. I won't work in your factory. I won't work on your land.

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I will not repent it's been a while yeah it's been a while