The Pete Quiñones Show - 02/13/2026 - Old Glory Club Livestream - What Is Is? w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

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Thanks for including me. Of course. Couldn't think of anybody better to invite on to talk about Clinton. And Mr. Spader, how are you doing? Doing well, Pete. How about you? Doing good. Doing good. All right. Let me get shillings out of the way. Everybody knows I'm so great at this here.

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in quotes, of the impeachment charges against William Jefferson Clinton being dismissed. And any of us who are old enough to remember that, which is me and Thomas, remembers how much fun. that was and how much of a spectacle that was. So I'm going to just ask Thomas to jump in and say,

what you, do you remember when the indictment came down? And what did you think? Well, yeah, of course. You know, I mean, I was an adult and I was actively engaged in political life. you know and i go clinton's administration was a disaster of this country you were still paying for it in concrete ways you know the issue with clinton it wasn't something like trump derangement syndrome where he was just sort of this symbolic psychological figurehead

that people directed their hostility towards you know based on kind of amorphous you know will uh towards uh towards the regime he was a he was a genuinely evil person and at a critical juncture in the international situation he completely destroyed what the foundation that had been laid for a lasting peace with the russian federation and you know stability moving forward in europe and asia first and foremost the impeachment thing would would trouble me about it then and now oh i mean first of all there was this whole sciop or people pretended and um the the the infotainment adult body politic accepted this this idea that bill clinton was being

impeached for for um you know moral turpitude because the guy's a sex addict and and he's carrying on in deviant ways in the Oval Office. And make a mistake, there's something really wrong with you. This is a middle-aged man, and he literally can't keep his penis in his pants, you know, during the work day. I remember at the time all these crazy boomers, like literally mentally ill people, saying, well, all men are like that. Yeah, like, I just go to work and pull my dick out.

You know, I mean, like that, that's mental illness as well as, as well as obviously, I mean, somebody who's that out of control. I mean, what else is he doing in his, in his private life? You know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, but what he was impeached for was perjury. And I remember at the time, you know, it had nothing, however you feel about Ken Starr, who, I mean, he's, he's deceased now. I had nothing nice to say about Ken Starr then or no. And I think the office of the independent council, just on its own terms, was not a good thing. I'll get into what I mean by that in a minute.

But, you know, perjury is not some petty misdemeanor. If you commit perjury, you go to prison. So do why. So does everybody else. Okay. It's a serious matter. Okay. I mean, there's a reason why we place witnesses.

under oath is you know in courts of law or you know in the course of of deposition or during or sworn testimony is taken it's not just because we want to stand on ceremony and and it's a good idea of people to be honest it's because lying under oath is a serious crime okay and the president doesn't isn't exempt from it because he's the president you know So when it became clear that he quite literally perjured himself in the course of issuing sworn testimony, he had to be impeached. Otherwise, you're essentially endorsing lawlessness.

And you're saying the president can lie about whatever he wants. And to be clear, to Clinton's defenders, they tried to affect a bait and switch and suggest, well, you know, the president in his article two role, He can't always be honest. You know, what about exigent, you know, circumstances relating to national security? That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about perjury and, you know, in a lawsuit that had nothing to do with the president's role and, you know, as an article to executive or anything that touched on concern policy sensitive or otherwise.

and certainly nothing that touched and concerned national security. So, I mean, that was that was grotesque the way people talked about it. And the entire, the kind of smarmyness, the way the entire regime media apparatus approached Clinton and all of his defenders was really disgusting.

And, you know, I remember at the time because for people my age and older, it was jarring because, you know, I was shouting out the other day on social media. It's not like anybody had any illusions about, you know, the previous administrations or something. But these were serious people. You know, so then just very abruptly, we get this literal clown, this white trash piece of shit, who it kind of proudly flaunts the fact he has absolutely no ethics whatsoever.

he's utilizing the office as a sort of platform for gross abuses of power and criminality he's such a deviant he literally can't control himself during the workday you know and uh when you point this out the the refrain was we got to get with the times it was surreal you know and of course these are the same people today who find it trembling rages about trump violating the dignity of the office you know it's it's incredible it's It's like these people, it's like these people have been senile their entire lives or something. You know. It's interesting.

Go ahead. Oh, no, please. You go ahead. Well, it's interesting, too. This is the advent of the moral majority, this particular period. And, yeah, plenty of presidents previously have been sex pests or have committed adultery. but there was a great deal to which much of the country didn't know about this, or maybe not even much of Washington knew about this. The thing that was sort of unique about Clinton is that it's just slayed all over the news for everyone to see.

You know, mothers are being forced to explain these terms long before they would want to have to explain to their children, these bizarre, gross acts that he's being accused of and may be guilty of. And that's even aside all the corruption stuff, there's just this great deal of essentially a tabloid president just being blasted across the ether. And yeah, the end of the Cold War plays into this as well. There's just this great deal of a loss of innocence of this era. Well, the problem, too, I mean, the issue was also, the issue wasn't that, oh, the president's engaged in infidelity or, you know, he's got this kind of steedy personal life. You know, we're not talking about LBJ compulsively, you know, visiting call girls or something.

We're talking about a guy who has developed reputation from not being able to give his hands off of female staffers. he's still out of control. He's literally taking his dick out in the Oval Office, and people are walking in and on him engaged in these kinds of behaviors. This guy's a fucking animal. He's some kind of out-of-control monkey. I mean, that's the issue. You know, it's sort of the different from a guy who, you know,

after working hours or whatever, you know, maybe he indulge him too much in Scotch or whatever. And a guy who first thing in the morning starts guzzling vodka and shows up the office, suddenly shit house. and screaming at people. I mean, like, this is not civilized human behavior. We can't have people carrying on like that.

I would decide on everything else about him and trying to pass this off. Trying to pass off as normal, like, oh, all men are like that. I don't know a single middle-aged man, I mean, and I think I'm pretty worldly. I mean, admittedly, I'm pretty discriminating and who I'll associate with.

I don't know a single middle-aged man who in the middle of the workday pulls his dick out and engages in gross, sexual activity in the office openly. I've never met someone who does that. You know, and like I, I was in my 20s when the Clinton scandal was going on, and I'd raise the people.

I don't know any, I don't even know any scumbags I know who do that. You know, this is what men do. It's like, you want, you want crack? But that was their, that was their alibi. And, you know, I mean, that was just the least of it. I mean, like I said, we're still paying for the crimes of the Clinton administration. It was a disaster for this country. It was a disaster for the world.

You know, but to be clear, too, you know, people have this idea as well. I think even today, even people who don't have a favorable view of the former president, that, oh, well, this was the pretext to impeach Clinton. And again, no, you can't, perjury is not nothing. The president can't just willy-nilly, you know, commit felonies because he feels like it, and it's inconvenient to be availed to penal jeopardy like the rest of us when he opts to flagrantly violate the law. And I don't know why people can't get their mind around that. And I mean, it just also, it exhibits.

contempt for process. I mean, one of the things, you know, there's that famous Nixon soundbite. I mean, people pull it out of context and try and employ it for punitive reasons to demonstrate Nixon's ported hypocrisy, whatever. I mean, that's obviously ridiculous. But, you know, his above the law speech that sound by Stephen at the start of that stupid Stephen Segal movie above the law where he's like, you know, no man's above the law. below the law he was saying in the context of you know you don't you don't have a past uh excusing you from from from jeopardy under the law just because you're the president or just because you're you've got some kind of tenure in washington or or something you know and that's true it's like nobody

can explain to me why you know it goes out saying that a private citizen goes to prison if he commits perjury but well in bill clinton's case you're just picking on him you know so bill clinton you just says cart blotts you can make felonies when he feels like it you know i mean i that to stir me but to be clear i and and the waters were muddied too because something that is a problem in this country and this even precedes nixon you know it really it really started uh it was really a response to the new deal revolution this idea that there's a quote imperial executive that is always looming

the potentiality of this. So we've always got to keep the president in check and we've always got to monitor as activities otherwise we're at risk of this tyrannical overreach. That had a really catastrophic effect

on the constitution of government. And that's one of the reasons why there's this sort of tyranny that you disheery that we've been saddled with, you know, at least since the Warren Court, because nature abhors a vacuum, particularly within power paradigms, you know, so the office of the independent council, I think it left a lot of bad taste in a lot of people's mouths that, okay, there's this office with this, you know, with this, with this cop type in Ken Starr, and the office simply begins not by investigating wrongdoing or investigating crimes or investigating corruption.

It just basically monitors the president and from the man goes outward looking for wrongdoing. That's a gross abuse of process. That's not how we do things. You know, you don't, if you're going to look for dirt on somebody, whether he's, you know, whether he's a street sweeper, whether he's the president of the United States, or you're going to find something. and that's not that's not a deal with public corruption and you know the government

of the United States our system really does revolve around the executive that's the way it's intended to function not just in you know because the essence of sovereignty is power political decisionism and that's literally coded

into article to inexpressedly deleted authority but also the president of obviously is the only nationally elected representative. You know, he represents the American people in, you know, as in as a whole. And, you know, it's been, it's been very, very bad. This kind of diminishing of the office and this, uh, this, this, this kind of exploitation of this, of this myth of, you know, we got, we got to defend against executive over.

You know, plus this never really happened other than by design, you know, I mean, I, and what's just a, exempting the New Deal Revolution, because that was a totally different subject. You know, I, I agree with John U. His book on executive power was really great. You know, whether I'm, I'm the first person to point out that the war between the the states couldn't be rationalized on ethical or pragmatic political grounds. I mean, how could it? You don't kill off half a million of your own people to resolve a political crisis. And everything else aside, historical outcomes notwithstanding.

But Lincoln wasn't breaking the law by suspending habeas corpus during a time of open civil warfare. I mean, that's the flow within the parameters of article to authority. You know, and this idea, too, I mean, one of the reasons why these, I mean, I've got mixed feelings about Massey. Because on the one hand, sometimes I think he takes, sometimes I think he takes a principal stand, although anybody who's truly principled wouldn't involve himself with government. But, you know, he's one of these guys like Ron Paul. He's got this fetish for procedures. any he suggests

these asinine things such as the president it's illegal from the act in the expressly delegated commander in chief rule unless he procures a declaration of war from Congress I mean this is this is asinine for all kinds of reasons

you know and I think some of that's faded and one of the things I hold against Trump is that Trump actually had a tremendous mandate that he squandered. You know, I don't, I don't think he has the, I don't think he's got the gohones or the intellect to be a real executive.

I, at base, he's a media guy. You know, I mean, aside him that, I don't think he's a principal individual either. But, you know, I don't, I don't think he's got the chops for it. But the fact of the matter is, like the Trump's mandate that he, he did have and that he subsequently squandered that came from the man himself i mean the body politics were you know they they weren't voting for a set of policy initiatives i mean on the one hand yeah there was a lot of outrage with the immigration crisis and other things but they were conferring that mandate on trump not on the office you know so there is a sort of caesarism

a sort of soft Caesarism that has made something of a return and you know he could have done a lot of good um in relative terms

you know with with I don't I mean I in my opinion I this system isn't salvageable and it's not just only the my own ideological prejudices or what have you it's the the structure of the federal regime is is obsolete. It belongs to the 20th century. But that's, I mean, that's really the issue with Clinton.

And it's also the, you know, the, uh, him to destroy him deliberately, I mean, Clinton was the first neocon too. I mean, that's a lot of people forget that or they don't understand that fully. You know, him deciding that we're going to pivot to a policy of aiming to destroy the Russian Federation as not just as a sovereign polity, but the Russians as a people and as a discreet, you know, cultural form historically. Thomas, can I ask you a question? Yeah. When you say it's the first neocon, would that be, would there be evidence in, and you can

correct me if my numbers are wrong on this? I think before, from World War II to 1992, the military had been deployed by the president eight times. and in the eight years of Clinton, it was deployed on 44 different occasions for policing and all sorts of things he was trying to do. Yeah, I, yeah, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, something, something really strange happened, excuse me, in hindsight, this was

entirely predictable, but the, you know, the, you know, the, one of the, one of the, one of the, reasons why well there was this whole pentagon purge where essentially these holdovers from the cold war you know and uh that cadre general officers that were so impressive in the in the gulf war those guys were those those guys were cashiered out and they were replaced by these bizarre you know, uniform fetishists and complete chumps and, you know, bizarre mediocrities. Because, I mean, the Pentagon put itself out of business. You know, it's, so what you were left with was kind of the military equivalent of Fauci. You know, it became this massive apparatus in search of a Rayzone detra.

So on the one hand, you had the hijacking a policy, you know, by these people who, for ethno-sectarian reasons, wanted to annihilate the Russian Federation and wage perpetual and perennial war on Darl Islam. But then you also, you had this massive bloated apparatus that had become totally redundant. in and they were desperate to, you know, rent seekers and parasites that they are, they were desperate to find a mission orientation that would rationalize this

kind of massive war machine. So it became, oh, well, we're the, you know, our role is to enforce the social engineering regime in planetary capacities by violence. You know, I remember.

There's a very... Go ahead, sorry. One of the most bizarre and sinister people in living memory is Wesley Clark. He was this crazy Jew liberal. I was about to bring up his quote. I was about to go to that. Yeah, he was this insane Jew liberal

who literally could say that it's unacceptable for, quote, ethnically homogenous states to exist in Europe. So we're going to use the military, essentially to a... batter people into submission who try and assert a right to ethnic homogeneity. I mean, this is insane. You know, the, and like I said, in 1999, I went to this thing.

The NATO Secretary General, I think, is the official title. he was this guy named George Robertson, this new labor piece of shit guy was like obviously drunk he was like this drunk slob like Scottish guy with visibly rotten teeth

and he's like chuckling about how he was like you know they thought that nighttay was going to go away but night day was forever it's like the fuck is wrong with you you know the humors of these people

there was like the erotic giddiness of an arsonist or something you know i i was i was shocked by it i mean i shouldn't have been but i was a young man you know um and uh so yeah that was i mean that was that was kind of the perfect storm of uh of factors on the foreign policy and war and peace side of things you know and then of course clinton repealed glass schiegel and um by executive of order he basically people blame the community reinvestment act as laying the foundation for all these

toxic financial instruments that you know came to prop up the the you know the the kind of new way of doing business on the financial side

and Clinton did utilize these kinds of long dormant statutes like the community reinvestment. Act as a rationale, but he basically, by executive order, made this stuff happen. You know, and that's when, that's when, that's what, this is also too when, when, when the American left kind of ceased to exist. You know, people talk a lot about how, you know, oh, the Republicans sold out. I mean, I make the point all the time, there, there, there, there

was no right wing after 945. And even previously, I mean, like we talked about the other day, like Pete and I did, you know, really. really in in in in america the the right wing went down in ancient 65 but there was a constellation of resistance elements who who came to constitute the old right as it were but they they they were a diverse lot but um you know the the the appearance of uh of uh partisan diversity just evaporated it was abolished in any real sense, you know, because the, because the Democrats, they abandon any pretext of representing organized labor. You know, Clinton was go, go, go on NAFTA, implementing NAFTA, on the WTO, on GATT and everything else. You know, and he married the, he married the DNC to Wall Street.

you know and if the if uh if the democrats platform isn't uh married uh big lame or like what what is it you know it doesn't make any sense it uh yeah there's if i may yeah go ahead a little bit it's worth it's worth pointing out that um both carter and Reagan are really outsiders they don't appear this way so much to us now but were really outsiders to the existing political party apparatus as it exists. They're both populists of a sort. And Reagan's victory, really, it is a shock to the system in a way that even Carter's victory isn't.

And Reagan's coalition is extremely successful. And the reason that Bill Clinton is ultimately successful is that he's able to take the components of the Reagan coalition, specifically the deregulation, right? the, it's not, you know, Reagan himself is not exactly super hostile to organize labor, although he's certainly not as friendly to it as others of the time. But to take this much more like market oriented, we're going to cut taxes, we're going to make America, you know, less bloated, that sort of thing, you know, slash and all that. That's the thing that Bill Clinton is actually able to take away from the Reagan,

coalition, and specifically from Bush, from Bush 41, H.W. He promises, yeah, he promises no new taxes. And then when he was forced to raise taxes in spite of his promise, this is something that Clinton hammers him on. And, yeah, as maybe trite as it seems, like, this is pretty significant in terms of what swings the 92 election in Clinton's favor. And so by the time Clinton is president, he has. this unique ability, like he's running essentially on a partial Reagan coalition. He's just shaved

off the offensive parts, all the, you know, the Pat Buchanan types and the cold warriors, they're all gone. But he also, yeah, people forget to Bill Clinton, he exited over the execution of more men than any other governor in Arkansas history. And he'd swagger. He'd see, he's swagger about that. He'd be like, you know, yeah, I've like executed more men than, you know, Billy the kid or something. like he was Mr. law and order. I'm tough on crime. You know,

I'm Mr. tough on crime Blue Dog Democrat as he used to be called. Yeah, I, you know, and I mean,

so it was predictable. Well, plus two, to be fair, Bush 41, he never really seemed comfortable in the campaign seat, as it were.

And obviously in 88, he, you know, he, Dukakis wasn't just a paluca, like it was a fake candidate. you know like nobody it was it was k-fabe it was bullshit you know so he hadn't really had to campaign before he wasn't comfortable in the role um Clinton was a on a permanent campaign that's all he did in contrast

he had the entire media apparatus working for him you know on behalf of his candidacy and i mean ross pro is a huge spoiler i know some people claim otherwise but they don't know what the fuck they're talking about um pro is a spoiler uh an order of Wallace, arguably even more so, and that derailed the Bush 41 campaign. Also, we were in a bona fide recession, you know, and people don't, that's a fascinating subject, because there aren't real recessions anymore. I mean, don't get to be wrong, and it doesn't mean that America is immune to financial crisis moving forward, a structural crisis.

But something, even something like the crash of 87. is no longer possible. The, you know, it's been information awareness to the up like real time. The ability to manage aggregate data at truly global scale that's precluded a lot of, that's basically rubberized the financial system against what traditionally are the are uncertainties that breed genuine crises. But going into the 92 election, there was like a bona fide recession underway,

and a lot of people were out of work. I mean, don't get me wrong. A lot of people struggle these days. Believe me, I know that. And inflation is a real problem. But there's not, there's not, there's not some, like, absurd amount of, of, there's not an absurd percentage of working age.

people who can't find work and can't access money today. This is not happening. Okay. But yeah, I, you know, it's, but that's, um, that's when, uh, I mean, on the one hand, I, I take exception when people overstate the fact that, oh, well, you know, America, being a one-party system after 92, because after 945, there, you know, again, like there wasn't, there wasn't an American right anymore after 1945, but at the same time, there was

a partisan divide. There was a real cleft between mobilized interest, particularly, you know, labor and capital, but also relating to power political affairs. You know, and... Yeah, you got, like, the new dealers are like, that

coalition kind of splinters, and the Southern populists who represent a pretty critical component of the New Deal, they're kind of shoved out, and that's what Wallace hails from. I mean, in many ways, Wallace is the consummate New Dealer. It just doesn't appear to us that way because of some of the racial politics and the way that he's remembered. And Carter, you know, does this a little bit as well, though not to the same degree. Well, it's also, too. I mean, there was the new politics. So, I mean, Reagan Nixon was from California so was Reagan

Carter and Clinton were obviously you know from the Carter from the deep south Clinton was from Arkansas you know that there was a big agra business aerospace nascent

and then not so nascent computing and information tech there was this revolt against the East Coast establishment that's one of the ways you can tell like Clinton's wife slash mommy you know Hillary is a fucking retard. Like what was this stupid

cunt do? Like she's like she moves to New York because she's basically like a wannabe social register type because she's like this dumb ass totally got to touch a boomer. It's like lady, that guy you followed to Washington got elected because he's not some wannabe east coast

power broker. Like the whole country revolted against that bullshit. You know, I mean plus too, there's just economic realities. You know, like I I talk to my dad about this not long ago, you know, the degree of which power was really concentrated on the East Coast, really until the 70s, like 1960s, really.

Like, they can't be overstated. You know, even Los Angeles, or like Chicago at Zenith, you know, it was, like, we had nothing compared to, I mean, Daley was a kingmaker and stuff, you know, and you had, and, uh, Hollywood at real power, you know, even in the old studio system days, but like if you're talking about who decides, who rules America, I mean, that emanated from New York, man, you know, New York and New England.

And that's all, that all changed. And yeah, I mean, part of that is, for the reasons you said. But yeah, I, I, well, it's also, too, I mean, I, what I was going to say a minute ago, then I kind of lost my train of thought. You know, I, there wasn't a real right in America after 9045, but there were, there was a real,

there was a real cleft between entrenched interests that were jockeying the control the executive. Like really all you, I mean, first of all, it makes no sense that like in 2026 that the Democrats call themselves the Democrats and the Republicans brand themselves that way. I mean, first of all, in America, there aren't parties, and it's goofy people act like there are. Like, there is no Democrat party. What it would be accurate as if the Democrats call themselves, I mean, they're the ruling coalition.

And the Republicans, like the people who run a Republican ticket, they're the official opposition. You know, and the official opposition is to capture the White House periodically. But beyond that, their role is to be the, is to be the, is to be the minority faction, you know. Well, it's interesting because Republicans are actually fairly good at winning elections since 1945. They've won quite a few of them. But the thing that sort of comes due that you realize is that every time a Republican wins an election with limited exceptions, they don't actually govern. Like the victory is actually winning the election.

Whereas when the Democrat Party wins an election, they actually come in and start governing the country, you know, depending on who it is or what factions it is. They're pushing in a particular direction. They have priorities, whatever. But the point being, like, the architectures of the two parties totally different. It's not to say Republicans don't want elections. They do. But they don't govern the country. I mean, because that's not your role as the official opposition, you know.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But it's also goofy to, I mean, this. isn't just a social media thing. I hear people in real space talk this way. Like, not so much in Chicago, because Chicago is kind of its own reality. But, uh, like, especially on the road,

you'll find these, like, Fox News types. They'll literally talk and dead earnest about a cool Democrat party. Like, there's some sort of cadre party structure, uh, you know, like, uh, like Sinn Fain or something. Or like the old labor party of people who call, themselves the Democrat Party and Pete dues or something and are committed to this ideological program. It's it's it's it's like what are you smoking crack like this? I mean obviously like that's

particularly stupid and infotainment coded but the whole the whole American system is a structured so to to preclude parties. You know everything from single member districts to you know winner take all electoral process you know you don't even if there was a more open system

you wouldn't you wouldn't have you wouldn't have parties in America like you do in Europe you know like that this is not the way the country structure there's not only work here you know and like I tell people all the time I mean obviously I'd never run for

office like I because that'd be ridiculous and I never you know what I mean like but if I was going to I'd run as a Democrat just because of where I live like if I if I ran

on a Democrat ticket when I suddenly become some like gay liberal or something like you know like being a Democrat needs you register to run as a Democrat and then that's what it says on the ballot what you know beside your name you know

like it's it's meaningless you know that's one of the one of the only people in my lifetime I've ever respected in Washington was James Webb. You know, he wrote a really great book, too, called Fields of Fire about the Vietnam War from a grunt's perspective. But, you know, he, and he wrote an interesting book, too, on the Ulster Scots in America, which was kind of pop history.

you but I appreciate him shouting out the Ulster Trud. But he, I mean, he, he, he, he was a, he ran as a Democrat. Did they suddenly transform into some, like, big liberal, like, I, and like, he made that point. Because he's like, you're, you're, you know, you're basically consorting with the enemy. You know, I'm talking about. Like, what, what, what's a Democrat? You know, like, he's, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like I ran as a Democrat precisely because I'm trying to break people of this. perception that you know uh there's some meaning to these um signifiers you know um i mean also

beyond that i mean i to your point he was trying to uh run something of an insurgency campaign and get a white southern populist uh cadre into the ruling coalition um people didn't seem to be really ready for that yet. I mean, Webb was an unusual guy, but he's another figure who's not much talked about who, I think, sort of laid the foundation in psychological terms for Trump's ascendancy. But, yeah, man. Yeah, he gets, he gets slaughtered on the stage in 2016 in the Democrat primary when they all get asked, like, do black lives matter or do all lives matter? And of course, you know, all of them repeat the slogan ad nauseum. And he goes, well, you know, of course all lives matter.

And it's like, nah, wrong answer. Get out. Yeah. Yeah, it was one of those just like, it was so bizarre too because you think about a figure like Hillary Clinton, right? It's like, oh, yeah, Hillary Clinton is a big believer in Black Lives Matter. Like, given the presidency of her husband and her own political career. like it's just ridiculous, but it's these sort of like ad nauseum, you know, you got to repeat the dogma of the parties. And that's that's sort of like the interest groups in a Democrat party that are able to extract that from these candidates.

Regardless in some sense, generally they get some good policy wins, but somewhat regardless of the policy wins, there's this like you have to repeat back to us the correct answer. Well, yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, because they're, again, they're the ruling coalition. And a lot of this is driven. Legacy media is part of that apparatus. Obviously, I mean, they are, like in structural terms. You know, and that's, so these narratives are confabulated and devised within that, that, within, you know, legacy media space.

so conforming to that is a litmus test of a sort. Webb, yeah, Webb didn't, wasn't really comfortable in media space because he wasn't a media guy. And there's not to say that that's fatal to a candidate. There's plenty of guys who can actually lean into that. as the exam might seem like Andy Warhol famously he was kind of

he actually was like kind of a weird introvert even though he had all these like sexy girls around him and like famous people and stuff wanted to chill with him but he one of the reasons he became this sort of scholar and analyst of media is because like there was always a camera being shoved in his face and he didn't feel comfortable with that

at all but he leaned into being uncomfortable with that and like so he came off as cool like you can't do that you know, you can make that work for you. Like, I think this is fucked up and I'm creepy and I don't like this. But hey, by the way, you know, Hillary Clinton's a stupid punt and she doesn't really think Black Lives Matter. You know, in fact, she called like, she called Black Men Super Predators. You know, you can like flip the script easily if you actually, you know,

really take the gloves off and go with it. you know um i but obviously webb wasn't the man to do that but uh but yeah i uh it's um but again too i mean yeah the only i don't to spend this off in a discussion of conceptual and symbolic psychology and media conditioning and things but the the degree to which like people wouldn't even have any concept of the ideological narrative of something like BLM, which itself is a contrived as it said it wasn't her infiltainment. Quite literally the entire way

that they structure these moral paradigms that supposedly just so invested in comes from legacy media. And it'd be like becoming emotionally invested in a video game and then extrapolating that to the way you pattern your life and things. It's totally bizarre. You know, we've got to

we've got to pretend to kill about these things that are grossly mischaracterized on their own terms and that I have no experience of outside of, you know, passively observing a stage managed and curated narrative surrounding this thing. And then if this candidate doesn't correctly abide, you know, his role within that narrative, I, you know, it triggers this anger response in me and then we all partake in this sort of collective condemnation. It's really strange. It's really primitive. you know but that's that's one of the reasons why i mean aside the fact the only way to win is to adopt vanguard's posture and tad on strategic terms i i continue to be amazed at people who have like a

big tense sensibility it's like you it's like you really want to post the sensible center and it's like if you've fucking seen what these people are about or listen to what they say they're they're like legitimately insane you know and they um they um they um they they're they're can't be salvaged. I mean, not that Americans are particularly bad. I mean, maybe they aren't. Depends where you fall. And it depends what the criteria are. But it, I mean, that's the way it always is.

You know, this idea that the body politic is educable in, like, broad stroke terms doesn't make any sense. Well, it's what makes it so funny when you had all these legacy. And this, I think Trump kind of kicked this off

in a couple, certainly the neuroticism of it, of all these legacy media figures who want to, you know, put on airs about how much the body politic, you know, democracy dies in darkness. Oh, you know, the people are being hoodwinked. They're being led astray. We used to have an honorable media and now it's like terrible. And it's like, when you really dig into it, the way that like streamers are now, like I'm sure our audience has maybe heard of some of the funny travails of certain streamers in the last few weeks. It's like that's actually much closer to the way it's kind of always been.

Like media journalists, that's just that's how they are. But there's this sort of, they want to put on this show about like, no, we're above it all. But they're not. It's just, it's been like this. Well, they're also, these are like the worst people you can possibly imagine. I mean, what's he say? These are the same people. They'll claim that, you know, Nixon was evil.

we need you know because democracy dies in darkness we need we need a bunch of secret police type from the FBI

Washington bagman pimps and it like this constellation of other like you know totally immoral career is to protect us

from evil Nixon it's like it's like it was going yeah I I need the I need WAPO like a bunch of crazy

Zionist billionaires who have contempt for human life you know, some bizarre fairy like Anderson Cooper who's you know, living out this kind of cynicure because

that's all the Vanderbilt name has anymore. I need these people to protect me from myself, I guess. It's incredible people think this like George. Like George Stephanopoulos

to tie this back into Clinton, you know, George Stepanopoulos is one of these kind of like Clinton bag man. And after Clinton is no longer president, he gets this like prestige TV role where he gets like appointed a arbiter

of fairness and democracy in Washington. It's like this guy who's just basically a criminal in a lot of ways. Yeah, 100%. And I, yeah, nobody can explain to me why, like even if it was true, I mean, even if people,

like myself I mean like us we're really evil people and even if you're kind of even even even you're kind of normie centric and you don't you look askance at outlaws and you're some kind of believer in the system it's like so your notion is that like people like Hillary Clinton are protecting us from bad people and yeah your point these uh some piece of shit like George Stephanopoulos you know he he's got to be the gatekeeper otherwise might be let us straight it's like, what the hell's wrong with you? I mean, like,

anybody who thinks that way is, um, demented in the clinical sense. But I think that that's, uh, I mean, one of the positive, like,

I mean, I've been saying from jump, you know, Trump, the guy isn't important. It's what he represents and the disruption that, um, you know,

the, the, the, the Trump coalition or, uh, the, the, the populace.

swell represents. And you know, Washington culture and legacy media culture has become a punchline. Everybody's got contempt for these people. And nobody looks at them as

people look at them the way the you know, the people in the Soviet Union looked at apparatchiks in the final years, you know? I mean, to be clear. I'm not saying America. is imminently going to collapse in formal terms, but it is coming to an end. I mean, this is going to be a long

process, but, you know, nobody, these people have no, have no moral credibility, and they're increasingly just these out of touch, this out of touch gerontocracy that are yesterday's men. but yeah that's uh i uh i got i got a long day tomorrow i'm going to bounce in a minute um but before i do uh is there anything else specifically you guys wanted to address with me um should we go ahead sorry yeah we got we got a couple super chats here oh yeah let's i'll stick around as long as possible for those yeah go ahead okay cool all right uh yeah uh c5 michael $3. Says, did I beat

Solid Snake? Also, is Hillary a good wife for not divorcing Slick Willie? No, because what she is, is despite what people think these pussy-owning sex addicts are actually she-mail-like.

Like, every guy who actually Clinton does at base, he's like, so I'm like, he's a punk. You know, so, so Piggy Clinton married his mommy, you know, and her role is to be his mom. like that's what he did it she doesn't care what he does she doesn't care where he puts his dick because she's not she's not his wife she's his mommy and that's fucking gross and pathetic yeah you know what i was

thinking though um considering all the stuff that clinton did when he was in arkansas the whole mina scandal running the coke and everything it always seems like whenever they get somebody to get insinuated in that it's always a sex pest a pervert a scumbag a jeffrey epstein and a Hunter Biden, that kind of person. It's almost like that, that's the kind of person they need to do that kind of stuff. Well, no, it is. That's why, you know, and it's not a good film overall, but there are aspects of it that are good.

You know, in The Good Shepherd, when the Matt Damon character, he's being cultivated by, by MI5 or whatever, and there's that very gay, like, old school intelligence service guy, and he realizes he's like, he tells him, like, you know, right before, like immediately after the Vermeacht assaults Poland, he tells him in so many words, like, I know they're going to whack me because they know they can't trust me because I'm queer, basically.

And sure enough, you know, they do. And traditionally in an intelligence game, it was a deal breaker if you had sexual problems. It's not because everybody in the intelligence game with some puritanical homophobe. It's because somebody can be compromised through sex, whatever their preferences, is a huge liability. Because they're ruled by their passions.

And if you subject a reason to passion, I mean, not only can you be bought, but your entire, inner life orbits around this corporeal need compulsion. You know, so that, yeah, it's not accidental. All right. Don Browning, the, I think the one woman who watches this show. She sends a $50 Australian.

Okay. No, we love Dawn here. Super Sticker, an anthropomorphic. video game controller that throws a punch, does a kick, and puts up a V for victory fingers with super effective written around him. And when you just look at it, it's really not that complicated. But that does definitely describe it. Yeah.

X Runner 55 says, $5 super chat says, I remember when the Democrats, the party of feminists and believe all women were collectively calling Monica Lewinsky an opportunistic whore. Oh, yeah. No, that's their whole, that's their whole jive. And these people actually, somebody made the point. One of the, it wasn't, it might have been Gorvidal. Well, actually, as I age, I develop more respect for Gorbidell, frankly. But he made the point that he was speaking in turn to these like 1960s and 70s. sexual liberationist types

you know the point that these people are actually Puritans who hate sex that's why they've got this gross and clinical view of it and they don't understand modesty and things because they don't actually understand sex and such that they do they've got contempt for it that's that that that was on full display with these freaks who

love Clinton it's like okay so it's like your guy is literally a rapo and a deviant with the sexual sensibility of a monkey but if anyone dare criticize them you know it's that whore that scarlet woman you know

how dare you criticize you know the great piggy Clinton it's like high a dissonance doesn't exist to these people because they don't they've got totally warped ideas about sex anyway so it doesn't compute that that comes off as

Not just typical, but nakedly incoherent. So yeah, you're right. I know you remember this. The news, like CNN and different news outlets, were saying that, well, Monica Lewinsky was stalking him. I'm like, some Jewish broad is stalking the president of the United States. What the fuck are you talking about? Well, the whole thing, too, I mean, was, I'm not saying,

I mean, Monica Lewinsky was a grown woman, a majority and you know she made her own decisions i'm not saying she was a victim but i mean frankly she was this she was this she was this homely fat girl with uh you know who was got a who was an intern you know fetching coffee the the fact the i mean the fact she was even having contact with the president was improper but obviously she got cornered by this piggy guy who is you know basically was like whipping his dick out is like yeah this is what we're going to do I mean, that if anybody's, I mean, if anybody, you should feel queasy about anything. I mean, it's the fact that obviously this guy who's exploiting a kind of simple-minded person with not much going on.

And, you know, that's pretty fucked up, frankly. I mean, again, I'm not saying he forced him to do stuff, but you know what I mean? I mean, that that's not something that should be going on in any work environment, let alone in the court was real power. John Marmaduke with a $7777.7. $7.77. Super Chat says, good evening with a salute. Real Americans.

Real Americans. Yeah. I appreciate your name. Thank you. Polaro 393, $5 super chat says, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and Billy Clinton were all horrific scaloags. Who are the next? I mean, was Jimmy Carter really a, I mean?

No. Carter Carter was a very decent guy and He uh he deserves a Prop for a lot of things From the fact that he's he took up for William Cali when nobody else would Nixon did to be fair and so did Wallace but you know what I mean? Presidential directive 58 and 59 Him uh standing up to the tribe

Yeah no car I don't think Carter was a good executive in absolute terms, obviously, but he was a decent guy, man. And he had balls or counted. I mean, do I agree. People forget. What's that? Go ahead. No, I don't see.

I obviously with the Carter perspective on a lot of matters, but I mean, the guy's a lay, the guy was a lay preacher. You know, what do you want? I don't think he ever should have been in the Oval Office. okay but he wasn't some milton yeah people forget how much of a rebuke to the establishment jimmy carter was and just how much that was a that was a conscious choice on behalf of voters like he he really is the consummate outsider and even a lot of the stuff that he wants to get passed in congress and it doesn't pass is because he's an outsider and because you know frankly from i i think you can debate why but he antagonizes that he antagonizes that he's an outsider and because you know frankly from i i think

you can debate why, but he antagonizes these old political, you know, sort of like bloodsuckers because he's just that kind of a guy. He actually believes this stuff. And so he says what he thinks about this stuff and that obviously steps on a lot of toes in Washington. No, absolutely. But also, obviously I'm probably narrowly focused on strategic matters in analyzing the history here. But, I mean, Carter really did. He realized that strategic air command, having effectively divested the civilian executive

of Article 2 authority to render decision on war in peace questions, and then to manage the role of commander-in-chief, if and when, God forbid, nuclear war arrived, He realized that they couldn't stand. And strategic air command had incredible power. I don't think people realized that. You know, and that took real balls.

And survivability, a government, that entire program, that entire infrastructure, that wasn't really fully realized until probably 87, 86, 87. That was all Carter. the Rima the Reagan build up and the Revolution Military Affairs era that was initiated by Carter frankly

and I mean the list goes on but yeah I will I will die on that peruvial hill okay let me finish this super chat oh he also mentioned LBJ there are some stories about LBJ

the one I'll forgive him for is like apparently he would take he'd be taking a crap in the Oval Office while he was talking to the press, he'd have the door open. And I mean, that's what the press deserve. So, you know,

I'll give a pass on that one. No, Johnson was a bad guy. I mean, it goes out saying. And he, Johnson, his long,

the real question, I would have asked, I mean, it was a lady bird and good wife, considering her husband, he was, even in Washington circles, he was,

he was notorious for stepping out on her. But that's the whole thing, you know, crude as LBJ was and kind of gross and amoral as he was. You never would have caught LBJ like whipping his dick out

during the day the old office and molesting some intern. Like, they never would have happened because nobody does that. You know, and I think that's, that warrants mention when Clintonian a

They claim like, all men do that. Or, well, in Washington, you know, all president cheat on their wives. We're not talking about cheating on your wife, which it shouldn't be doing anyway, but we're talking about something totally different. Fritz Imperial with a $3 super chat. Just wanted to say, God bless you guys. Remember, we're on the side of the righteous. Absolutely. Amen.

X Comer, $10 super chat. A salute? Real Americans. Christopher Berks, $458, $5 super chat. Don't think I'm going to tip my congressman this year. Real Americans. Super chat of the night. Ski-bum.

No, well, let's see. Don Browning gave, matching up with Don Browning here. Ski-bum-220. $50 super chat says, we are going to win. Salute the OGC. Boy, howdy.

Real Americans. Imagine my lack of shekel. It's one of the best names we have. We're a city break. We're a city breakdancer, man. Ah, missing him. Imagine my lack of shekel. It's for $10.

I was younger when this all went down, but even then I thought it was interesting. Lewinsky didn't wash that dress. That was some good planning. Yeah, it was, well, I think she, that bizarre and grotesque wildebeest to Linda Tripp, who, what a vile creature. And she looked like she wasn't John Goodman in drag or something.

But I mean, she was a totally irrelevant personage, but the tapes of Monica Lewinsky talking to Linda Tripp is she was genuinely afraid for her safety, I believe. And I think when it, yeah, I mean, it's weird on the one hand, but kind of putting together Emmett Terrell. back when the spectator actually had some credibility his take on it was that she was genuinely afraid for her physical safety

and what the Clinton organization was going to do to her when this broke and she decided to preserve the evidence of the encounter that basically as a security mechanism you know like hey you know if i get disappeared or if i get viz fostered you know i've got the president's DNA on my clothing you know and that's going to come out you know so tread lightly and how you deal with me and trying to enforce my silence

I think that's probably true. Was that her original intent? I mean, maybe it was, I mean, maybe it was some creepy desire to retain a souvenir. It's pretty gross. But yeah, I agree. Seasider with a $10 super chat. He has a salute with three sevens in it. Awesome.

Very nice. Real Americans. Pete Budapest, $5 super chat. talk a bit more about Hillary going to New York to run for Senate is there literally nothing more to that than Hillary being just a weirdo she's a stupid cut

and she's this like she's like this trashy striver you know so it's uh all the important people are in Manhattan you know and she's just like she's like this like dumpy stupid cut and um she's brain dead so instead of uh you know her whole

her whole career trajectory she's not even smart you know like she's a dummy she's like ugly she's immoral she's like got no manners she's stupid totally like worthless human being you know she's fucking chum but uh

you know her whole like basically her whole career path is like marrying this rapo who wanted a mommy and then following him around for the next 50 years so I mean she's got no sense for anything and plus she she was literally

being of OBJ. Hillary Clinton is the most hated political figure in the last century other than probably OBJ. You know, and so one of the, so admittedly New York is one of the only places where she

could find some kind of fawning constituency. I mean, now that that matters, you know, like it's not like there's real elections in this country and you've got you've got a lot of these Congress parasites who who it's impossible to unseat

have literally like single digit approval rating but uh you know she she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing so instead of uh instead of uh you know trying to conquer some up and coming um jurisdiction in the southwest or whatever uh she decided to go to New York

to pretend to be one of the like the important people you know because she's a retard I think it's that simple. Yeah, I think she really, she really does have this bizarre, like wanting to ape the Eastern establishment that completely doesn't exist by this era. Yeah, she's a retard.

Sean's Feed and Sneed, $20 super chat. Thomas, any plans coming back to Philly? I was out of town when you came through. Now, Philly was dope, man. And like I said, I, uh, when you disembark the Greyhound, they literally stop right by, that World War I Memorial, and they're just like, get the fuck out.

So this was like 8 in the morning. So I'm getting away to Fishtown. And because the bar is there, a bunch of guys who, you know, work overnight. You know, they're getting off work at like 7 in the morning. So the bar is open like bright and really. So I went to this bar and I got some delicious eggs and bacon and stuff. And then I just like chilled there. And like I shouted out where I was at.

So like the Fishtown, uh, cadre like showed up and we got kind of shit-faced, but it was a blast. Philly's a great town, man. I had a lot of fun. Um, I'm not eminently returning to Philly, but I do, uh, I do want to, I do owe the East Coast to visit, including New York City. And I, I think New York City is awesome, man. Like I, I, just to be clear, because I didn't want to think I was like throwing shade on their local. I love New York, man. But no, I'll, I'll, um, sometime, uh, sometime in the next year. But and yeah, I'll shout it out. Valero 393, another super chat, $5.

Excellent commentary on my previous super chat. Thank you for thinking it through, but Johnson and Clinton sucked balls. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. Pete Budapest, $5 super chat. Did the Clinton team essentially create Putin and the, Russian regime with their combination of maliciousness and incompetence? I think so, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, the first color revolution was what was the Yelsen revolution. One of the illiterate things about the way people talk about Vladimir Putin, traditionally KGB and to a little degree, GRU, they were fairly apolitical. you know, as, and that's, that's an interesting phenomenon, you know, but that's, that's one of the reasons they were so effective because I, I believe they didn't have blinders on, you know, and drop off was the most effective man that system produced other than Stalin. And, you know, he, he came up through KGB. So I think regardless, there would have been some element from the security, from the Soviet security apparatus that would have taken the reins. You know, and interestingly, in Romania is an incredibly troubled country and society, which is a tragedy because Romanians are a great people and a great nation. But it wasn't a bunch of, it wasn't a bunch of Soros Incorporated pro-democracy protesters who whacked Chusescu and his wife. It was the securitati.

And they took over the country. And they've been anything but a corrective patriotic element, unfortunately. But that was a tendency in East Block states. there was a repository of real power in a way it's not in America you know like if things if there was some sort of catastrophic structural crisis in America the FBI

wouldn't take over that's ridiculous you know but so I think that even if the Bush Baker Gorges of Concord had endured I think they're probably

there would have been an outsized role played by people like Putin and some of these and drop-off protegees. But yeah, to be clear, too, people aren't going to like who replaces Vladimir Putin. The guy's a moderate liberal, and he's basically the only reason why there's not, why there hasn't been a a a truly hostile element in the Kremlin

you know it's it's bizarre and it goes to show you how Zionists always overreach you know they um I mean it's the same thing with Iran too like though like the Iranian government right now was this secular liberal government

and what do they shriek that it's a bunch of mullahs they're going to kill us you know and then you get like Putin who was like, you know, in the Russian situation, he's essentially got an endless tolerance for provocation. So people declare that he's an evil madman for responding when NATO deploys 200 kilometers from Moscow. You know, like it, these people are, are positively delusional.

So yeah, that was probably a bit rambly, but yes, I agree with you. Got a couple super chats here that run right into each other. And Rico Palazzo for $20 says, the lie can't last forever. I've heard that somewhere before. Oh, and then Bolero, I'm sorry. Then Bolero 393 says,

with a super chat for $5, says, don't sell that to Jay Burton. Beva gang is the best. Bull's persona, maybe the funniest super chat of the night. $5. Thanks for the cigar stream, gents. Oh, man.

And the final super chat of the evening, Pete Budapest says Jonah Goldberg's mom was instrumental in the Clinton Sting via Linda Tripp. Just throwing that out there. I don't know. And I'm sure you're right. You know, that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. All right. Well, I think I think we're done.

Make this a little shorter than normal. Give Thomas a chance to do your plugs. Good, Thomas. Yeah, you can find me on my website. It's Thomas777.com. Number 7, H-M-A-S-777.com. I'm on Substack. That's where a lot of the magic happens in what I do, as it were.

I've got a couple of pods going there and all kinds of other happy, fun stuff. It's RealThomas-777.7.com. and from there you can pretty much find everything I do I didn't mean to fuck with the program man and make this shorter than it's supposed to be

no it's fine I mean it's it's a one subject show so it's gonna go as long as it goes okay cool yeah yeah I want to make sure that we answered all the super chats too I just like I said I got I got a long as day tomorrow

and like forgive me for being a forgive me for being an old faggot but like I my energy levels have been great lately so but no problem. Let's let let Spader do his and we'll get out of here.

You got anything to plug Mr. Spader? I'll just say check out the old Glory Club's substack. That's where I'm doing any of the writing or podcasting that I still do. And even when it's not me, which it typically is not, the OGC substack has a lot of great content for you to check out. All righty. Well, I will sign off for our President Red Hawk

and hopefully he'll be back next week. And if not, I'll be right back here trying to hold it down. Thank you, everybody, for stopping by. And I can't last forever. When I pass on my good jeans to my sons, they're going to join the Old Glory Club.