The Pete Quiñones Show - 02/26/2026 - Old Glory Club Livestream - Give Me That Giggle Switch - w/ Karl Dahl

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

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You know, our thumbnails that just get better and better every single week, don't they, fellas? But we are back for another episode of Pony Express Radio. I am, of course, Mr. Hed hoc. I'm joined tonight by Mr. Pete Quinoez. How are you, Pete? Doing good. And we're joining tonight. Take that, Burton.

You've stolen your number one guest. You know, we're joined by Mr. Carl Dahl tonight. How are you? Hey, fellas. Good evening. All right, good to have you. Let's get some housekeeping out of the way, and then we'll get into a topic that all of us love so very much. We get to flex on the rest of the anglosphere for a bit, which is always fun.

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I'm happy that you have that, right? It's kind of gay. Yeah, pretty much for sure. I guess I'll just get it right in the start. I mean, it really just is something that you just see absolutely everywhere from a young age, whether it's in our cartoons, like Looney Tunes, got to have guns in almost every single episode. I mean, I was gifted a gun. I think I was like age nine was probably the first. first time I was actually gifted one. I'd been shooting like for a couple years beforehand or something

just always grew up around guns, never found them really to be weird, never, you know, really was like scared of them or any way. It was just like, oh, wow, okay, this is, this is what we do. We're Americans, we have guns in the house. This is how you handle it properly. What have you. So I don't really know where somebody would even like get the start, you know, of like getting introduced to guns in this day and age. It's just so foreign to me to not have them around. You know, I carry every single day. I've had them around my entire life. Go hunting all the time, go shooting on time.

Was competition ranked in sporting clay shooting when I was in high school. It's just, it's like as a trinch that to me is like breathing air. You know, I don't even know. You know, the tack type stuff is really cool, of course, and we all find it wonderful and know how important it is. but you really don't get into like serious guns burglary until you get into distinct types of hunting, which is just a wonderland of, you know, niche arguments among people who have, you know, very strong opinions for a variety of reasons.

And most of the time, it's like mostly in jest, right? But when you do pick up a, for example, side by side 16 gauge on a 20 gauge, frame and you're doing upland grouse hunts and you're scaling across boulders and stuff you're like oh this makes sense it weighs three and a half pounds less than that 12 gauge it's it's fun i mean i wouldn't have never even known what a 22 250 even was unless i was out shooting you know farm it's a prairie dog oh yeah it's just a just a gun i would have no use for aside from that's like oh well you want to shoot the head off a prairie dog at 300 yards well this is but this is going to do it.

The spurgery around hunting calibers is, I love it. I can just sit there and be like, you know, I'll just start it off. It's one of those things where I'll just throw a bomb and step back and everything. And I just be like, if you're not, if you're not

hunting with a 270, I mean, I don't even know what you're doing. Just going to the conversation. It's 30 out six too much for a deer? And it's just everyone, every hunter has a caliber that's just like perfect for a deer. It's perfect for a deer. And it's like to hear the conversations, there was where I used to, where I used to work in Buckhead in Atlanta, there was a cigar bar I used to go into all the time. And a lot of the guys in there were like really wealthy hunters and everything.

Like half of the time you'd walk in there, it would just be a caliber. discussion about hunting. 270 is correct, by the way. I have a buddy who would say 7mm, but, you know, hey. Yeah, yeah. In Oregon, in Oregon, they, you know, the wisdom of using a 7 mag

when that became available for elk because there's so much elk hunting up there that like the average person got to a point where they believed he needed a seven mag for like deer hunting and it's like they weigh like on the big side they weigh like 250 pounds to to three there's some there's some very large black tail uh that i've encountered in oregon that are on the like 400 pound side but like most of the time you're talking about these like coastal deer that are like 250 pounds that are like 250 pounds And people are like, I need a 11 pound seven mag, you know, or or else I'm undergun. Yeah, I guess he's shooting his deer from 450 yards away, apparently.

Yeah, yeah, that guy, a guy who fires five rounds for sight in, you know, at 100 yards. And then it's like, I'm ready for my, my long shots. Although, although I know a decent number of people that consistently make very long shots in, you know, in high country and stuff. So I'm not poo-pooing those people whatsoever. Well, not to toup my own horn too much last year, but when I was on Safari, I shot a kudu at 375 yards, which was nice. Nice. Now, remind me, where were you specifically?

I was in South Africa. Oh, sweet. Did you bring your own gear in? Oh, no, no, one of the most nightmare countries in the world. That was my understanding. Yeah, yeah, no. If everyone wants to get into it, go to Tanzania, go to Botswana, way more chill. I wanted to try South Africa because I had hunted in Tanzabwe and Zabwe and Zambia previously.

And I was like, okay, well, let's see what is like in South Africa. I was like, ah, no, you know what? There's other places that are better. Is it just, is it the hunting not as good? Or is it just the anti-white regime there makes everything miserable? definitely the politics of the situation and it's just it's also just not as wild you know that makes sense yeah yeah but i wanted to give it a try and it did so you know i got my feel of it you know nice that's awesome i don't think i've ever told you guys this before but uh when i was a

kid there's a there's a scene in my my first novel uh where a the main character goes to the home of very wealthy person who lives in this neighborhood called Magnolia in Seattle that's kind of the northwestern, it's northwest of downtown. And it's this neighborhood that was built out mostly in, you know, I don't think there's anything newer than the 50s. I'm sure there's stuff there now where they would tear down an old house and built some monstrosity. But there would literally be like four and five acre. places there that my friend's grandfather had like five acres indoor pool and then he had a

safari room because in the 50s and 60s he did all these hunts in Africa and Asia and he had the front end of a bull elephant coming out of the wall it was like when you're like eight it is the sickest thing you've ever seen it was so cool and just the taxidermy and my buddy fortunately inherited some of the taxidermy and some pretty wild stuff he like barely has room for it but he has i i think it's a lion taking down a gazelle or something like that it's it's pretty gnarly it's incredibly valuable yeah i i had the text bird and congratulate him when he uh started doing his show with that leopard skin up on the wall now so that very very bad ass If anyone in the chat is ever interested, look at some very, very cool taxidermy, head on over to the wildlife gallery.

They're a company up in northern Michigan that does a lot of very, very interesting indoor taxidermy pieces, and you get really interesting. You know, like, whole guys put up like entire mountains in, you know, one of their trophy rooms. And it's just like with every, you know, species of goat or wild sheep in the world, you know, just all on top of it. It's like going into like a cabellas, you know, where they have. like the big mountain in the middle of it and stuff. And it's like that's like the crazy part, you know, um, when you like go into a Cabellas with somebody and you just explain to them.

Okay. So there's about, you know, a million dollars with the taxidermy in here just in it of itself. You know, taxidermy is not cheap. Yeah. There's a beautiful Cabello is very close to me that,

you know, people who aren't as accustomed to that sort of a thing. It's really fun to take them there just so that they can have their minds blown and see all the native fish too is fun oh yeah yeah yeah well there was um there's like a whole history around taxidermy at the turn of the 20th century right because um it's not like there were zoos in every major city right so people were like oh well how are we going to figure out you know what the uh what a lot of these animals look like right and a lot of these like famous industrialists hunters teddy Roosevelt being one of them stocked all of the museums with uh you know these rooms of uh animal dioramas

were really really popular there's some amazing um exhibits uh if you guys go to like the carnegie museum in pittsburgh or the chicago field museum or obviously the smithsonian uh and stuff it's uh really really cool to see oh wow what does a giraffe look like well i guess i have to see a taxidermine one because it's not like i could just go to the local zoo that makes yeah that makes sense the The field museum in Chicago is amazing. The dinosaur bone exhibit there is incredible. It is anyone who hasn't been there and has a chance to go, you should go. It's incredible.

Yeah, very cool. Apparently, Oren's upset that we didn't invite him to the gun episode. Oh, well, you know, big sad. Damn. He's a, maybe maybe next time. You know, speaking of the Chicago Field Museum and guns and everything, I remember talking to Thomas about this not too long ago, is that the lines of Savo, those famous man-eaters, are taxidermied. The carcasses of those two lines are in the field museum. They ate like 200 Indian workers, you know, people were building.

Yeah, exactly. Immortalized forever. Yeah, very cool. I guess one of the other things we could talk about here is just like we have a lot of really cool guns throughout the history of the United States. Well, I mean, even if you're going back to like, you know, basic Kentucky long rifles and what have you during the revolutionary period all the way up to obviously the famous six shooters popularized in all the old West movies, you know, of course the 1911 and various other guns that, you know, for the 20th century. What are some that really stand out to you guys, American firearms? Go ahead, Del. Oh, my goodness.

I could go on and on. Colt New Service. The Colt New Service is a large frame Colt Revolver that was in 4440, 45 Colt, 44 Special, and some of the other kind of turn of the century, like transition from black powder cartridges. but then the Border Patrol under Charles Askins adopted them in 38th special with like a four or five inch barrel. I can't remember. And they're incredibly neat.

And the 45 ACP model 1917 contribution from Colt is essentially the new service chambered in 45 ACP using half moon cartridges or excuse me, half moon clips for holding the cartridges. So you would have two of those. with three rounds each. They're incredibly cool guns. And unfortunately, they command a major premium now, but they're like one of the coolest, you know,

still useful, but on the vintagey side of things. And yeah, I've been stalking a good example of one because I want to do a fits. And, you know, I'm kind of retarded.

So what I want to do is I want to get one in 4440 and replicate the one that my character in my second novel had to get made at an armory in northern Spain from basically knockoffs of that gun that were being made in Spain. And just as a short fighting weapon, because they actually had 4440 cartridges, which they called 44-largo. in the Spanish supply chain because they issued a, basically a copy of a Winchester Model 92 lever gun in 4440 to the Guardia Seville. And it's a really cool rifle. And a lot of the ones that you saw in the westerns in the 50s and 60s and into the 70s were those Spanish guns that they're they're incredibly cool i mean it's just a copy there's nothing special about them but just this whole like rocking a kind of vintage cowboy thing in spain is uh pretty amusing when when you think

about the the loop de loo of the vokero life in the new world going back to the old world well i'm going to go with uh one that i know carl will like um it's a little out of the ordinary because it's actually considered an FN gun, but it is definitely John Browning designed, the FN Model 1910. Ooh, baby. Which I have a 19, I have the 1922,

the bigger version, with some markings on it that are highly desired. But yeah, that and of course the Colt Model 1903 hammerless, the pocket gun. Those were just, And that really sets off the conflicts. When you start getting into 7,

when you start getting to 32 ACP and 765, you're, now you can start talking about the conflicts that are to come. You know what I hate when we mentioned the Colt 1903, a friend of mine, his family had a cabin on a lake that was out ways when the place was built in the 40s and then with kind of the tech boom, it was very close to a large campus of a large software company.

And so there were a lot of people with a lot of money. And so the family who had inherited this place and had it for like four generations, I want to say, decided to sell it for just crazy amounts of money. It made sense in terms of the fact that the tax bill for this place became crazy, and it became a problem for them to collectively be like, okay, we got a pony up like, you know, 14 grand a year for the little, little, you know, 800 square foot cabin out on the lake. And anyway, so they sold it.

And the reason I mentioned the Colt 1903 is that his great-grandfather had a Colt 1903 that was sitting in this safe that the lock had been removed from or the dial component of the lock, so it couldn't be locked for some reason. It was this massive safe and this great little 32. And I had this like intuition that I should take it and hold it for my friend because he had all these, he was, he was for a time, he was hanging out with some less, savory characters. And I was like,

someone's going to pilfer it. And what I want to do is give it back to him. Like after this period is done or give it to his dad to make sure that like it's taken care of. And I didn't do that. And it got swiped like the next weekend. And I felt because I was like it would be wrong for me to take it. But my instinct was crying out to me.

take it and hold it and then give it in safer a safer situation like at his house because my spidey senses were tingling but those are incredible pistols i will say this i highly recommend not carrying a colt 1903 there are famous cases of gun riders killing themselves uh when they slipped out of their holsters and had a you know an nd or an unintentional discharge and put a flat nose hard cast lead bullet right through their heart at which like it happened like twice in the one in the 70s and one in the 90s so like you probably shouldn't carry those things but they're really cool are we sure Sega wasn't making up yeah they're just not drop safe um you know it's not it's not american so i won't i won't talk about it too much much, but Spanish automatics of varying quality, there are a number of them that are not drop safe also. And a lot of it is just the era. A lot of the older guns weren't drop safe because they had a very direct ignition system with a firing pin and the hammer.

They don't have some of the more modern safety mechanisms. So you should be careful with some of those old guns, but they still work is what I would say. And let's just put it this way. I'll choose my words carefully. If you happen to inherit some old guns that are, that seem marginal, like they're 32s or 380s or whatever, don't sell them. Just hang on to them. Get some ammunition for them that you pay for in cash.

That's all I'm saying. They'll be handy someday. That's interesting because right around the time that we're talking about. you had the um the ivory the ivory johnson harrison and richardson saturnet specials start coming into uh production and i mean really really low cost and uh but quote unquote person personal defense weapons yes i had a friend whose father uh i became very close to and he had he had been a firefighter he was a retired firefighter after a military career and he had two he had one H&R and then another one was an Iver Johnson and they were about this that the H&R was a little nicer surprisingly when you

compare it to the later guns that they were making in like the 50s and 60s right but these older break top 38 Smith & Wesson and 32 Smith and Wessons were really well made and they really cool and and you can still get them for pretty cheap they're they're not expensive they're not nothing you would want to carry or do anything serious with but they're fun the um right around right around this time like um did you did you did you mention the Smith and Wessel Model 10 because I mean that's like no but that that this is their mention yeah I mean that was a cop gun. It was like I think pretty much most of the police departments in the country

issued Smith and Watson Model Tons. Yeah and they're really nice guns. They shoot really well. They're they're not cheap anymore. That's that's one of the biggest problems. But again, they're worth what you pay for them. So if you have to pay $400 for one, I'll leave it as is 38 special is perfectly potent cartridge. Oh yeah. Use good quality ammunition. They'll generally be cited into like 158 grain bullet, but you'll find like 148 grain wad cutter shoots really well. Again, warning, if you start getting into this more obscure stuff and older stuff, like handloading will save your life. Like 9mm, there's literally no point in handloading 9mm unless you're just an autist, which I respect.

I'm not disrespecting. I will say this, the guys who shoot like a thousand rounds a month, you know, competitively, like that's, that's when reloading 9mm might make sense. But,

I don't even know. I don't even know then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But like for, like, I don't hand load anymore,

but when I did, it was mostly 38, 357 and, and 10 millimeter. I think 10 millimeter. 10 millimeter was the only semi-auto cartridge that I hand-loaded because I just wanted my own loads for those. Yeah. And that makes sense because it's one of those ones that has a very, it has a depth and breadth to it. Right. Even if you don't, even if you don't hand load, you should at least have some experience into what the process is like.

I mean, I don't do it personally, but a family friend of mine has been into it for many, many, many years. you know, Army veteran kind of guy. And I remember when I was a kid growing up, I went over to his house. And he took me through the entire process of how to do it. I was helping him with it and everything. It's a very interesting process. And I can understand how it would trigger people's tisms be a good hobby to have. So everyone should at least be familiar with the process.

And I'll say this also, the cheapest thing to get into hand loading is shot shells. You can get a lee load all two for less than a hundred bucks. And then of course you need to get all the components for it and everything like that. But that's really good for making like quality hunting ammunition for a shockingly decent price. Buckshot also like there's some there's some really great loads that have been around for like a hundred and twenty, 140 years that you can replicate through hand loading. And I know like Rio will, which is a manufacturer out of Spain. Always hated their ammo.

Yeah. They'll do versions of these things, but the ammo quality isn't very good. And so like if you have a, if you want to have like number three buck for a 20 gauge for an auto loader, or you already want to do like my preference, which is number one buck in two and three quarter inch 20 gauge and just tune it to be like seven, seven eighths of an ounce to an ounce. So it's a really mild load,

but it just hits like lightning because there are 30 caliber pellets. You have to hand load it to get a quality load. And so it's really cheap and easy to do it with like that Lee load all and it works fine. It's not what you would want to do if you're cranking out like tons of birdshot or doing like sporting clays competition or something like that. Like the more automated things is the only way that you're really going to save money in time because it's time consuming. But when you're loading buckshot, you're literally dropping the pellets in with your hand.

So, you know, and so and there's people that also hunt in more restrictive states where, you know, it's, buckshot only or buckshot or slugs. And it's really easy to get into. And it's really fun. Like I 3D printed a bunch of components for like doing the taper on the, so after you, you know, if you roll crimp buckshot and then you want to add an extra taper so that it'll load better and an auto loader, you get this little extra piece that you can mount in and just press in. and people have the design out, the STL file out there so that you can just print it yourself and slap it in and jam it out. And it's like, oh, that, you know, buying all these little components,

the prices can easily add up, but you can do a lot of that stuff with 3D printing, too, for some of these kind of niche elements to experiment with. So it's really fun stuff. Yeah, Rio is just absolutely the worst. I know how many times have you got stuck. Oh, absolutely. ass ammunition. Yeah.

It won't cycle out of a semi-auto shock to save its life, dude. But it's like it's the only place you're going to find certain loads, you know, because Europe is a very, especially Spain is a very shotgun-oriented hunting. They do a lot of wing shooting there.

Oh, a ton of it. And, yeah, so, so, but again, my point was like the quality sucks. So, like, that's where handloading makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, I mean, we're talking about here, you know, some of our favorite American guns. But, of course, we can't forget the great gun manufacturers of the United States. Unfortunately, many of them have to move out of their historic headquarters due to political reasons. And, you know, I remember who was it? Was it Smith & Wesson or was it Remington? they got sued, like, in Connecticut or Delaware because of, like, recent shootings or what have you. They're, like, suing the gun manufacturers or something.

It's like, you guys are making guns too deadly. It's fucking idiots. But, I mean, my household was always a Remington household growing up. So, I, you know, I had the 870, had the 700, had 783s, had 1187s, well, all of them, like, just a bunch of Remington guns. And, you know, that company is who they get bought out by. I totally forget who now owns it. George Soros.

Yeah. Zog, Inc. basically. My Remington goes back to the Model 51 designed by the great John Peterson. Those are awesome. Yeah. Those are still cool. You get him 32 or 380. But, I mean, it's 380 even a real caliber.

Come on. No. I never liked it never like shooting 380 can I explain my my advocacy for 32 it isn't that it's like the cartridge right like I mean like my main gun

that I carry is a Glock 19 or I carry yeah or I carry a I have a charter arms What is a massive fucking faggot I have a charter arms a Bulldog 44 special that I'm just absolutely in love with. I got it either last year or the year before,

and it is just such a great cartridge and a great little gun, but not perfect, but I've made it nice and I'm making it better. But anyway, point being 32 Automatic is, in the olden days, generally the kind of cognoscenti would prefer the 32 over the 380. It's one more round. You know, the cartridge has better penetration. So its effectiveness is way better than it's on paper figures, right, in terms of lethality. Even in the like 80s and 90s, you would have Marshall and Sanow who were doing those like one stupid one shot stop analyses.

And the 32 automatic in certain loadings was as good as a lot of 9mm loads in terms of their record. And my opinion is that it was probably people who just knew what they were doing. And that, you know, it's a low recoil cartridge. And so you're not going to be intimidated. by it and you can get a little more practice in. And, you know, the classic load for that, the reason I mentioned this is that hollow points have a purpose. And the point, the purpose of a hollow point is to prevent overpenetration to where there's no energy transfer, right? But if you just say a defensive load for a handgun requires a hollow point, you don't understand what's taking place.

There isn't enough energy in a 32 ACP for a hollow point to like penetrate enough. So what you'll find with like 32 ACP and 380, all of these like marginal calibers, is that a hollow point will, you know, mushroom beautifully but only penetrate like four or five inches. It won't make it through like the leather jacket or the denim or whatever. So if you stick to the old school flat nose lead that feeds like an FMJ, it penetrates a lot, but it does a much better job of transferring energy and doing damage versus an FMJ, which just kind of zips through. If all you can get is like a European pressure FMJ, which is you're starting to see. see American loads now in 32 ACP, excuse me, that are on par with the European loads. But for a while, they were loading about 100 FPS, 100 to 150 FPS, like lighter because of like really junky American guns that were being made.

I think it was the Sammy spec was really mild because of trash guns. And it's like, no, you should blow up your trash guns. And if you shoot European pressure stuff, you'll find all the 32 ACP nerds are like use European pressure stuff. Buffalo Boar has a really good cartridge. Underwood has a great cartridge. I'm just like skip hollow points in a 32 ACP or like a 380 or something like that. I'm not talking about like a 38 special plus P. You have to analyze and you have to look at it.

And if you go out to YouTube and you see these tests in gel and stuff like that, you'll understand why the old advice still carries that with like a 32 ACP, skip the hollow point. But the other advantage of it is that it has a very mild report. And so if you fire it through a suppressor, you will be shocked. And Pete can testify to this. You will be shocked at how. quiet they are. They suppress like a 22, despite being kind of a real cartridge in terms

of its penetration ability, not its overall energy. I'm not delusional, but it's shockingly quiet. Just preemptively defending yourself from the comment section. It's like, oh, well, yeah. But it's true because it's really easy for people to be, you know, like, this is my thing that I'm into, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a marginal cartridge. I absolutely own that. But it's really good at certain kinds of things. And, uh, CIA guys would, would carry them overseas because it was like the smallest, uh, you know, you could get these very small guns in 32. And like, with the 380s, the 380 versions of them, there were basically like uncontrollable, um, you know, too snappy and there's like no improvement and performance.

And so by sticking with the 32, it's easy to control. It's kind of the 9mm argument because, you know, we're all like, if you look at 9mm versus 40, like that argument is settled. Like 40 is more powerful than 9 millimeter, but it's harder to shoot. It holds fewer rounds. It's the same story just in a bigger envelope. Well, that's why I liked the 19 so much. I mean, it's 15 plus one.

Yes. Yeah. Exactly. That's plenty. Exactly. And so like in a super small gun, you know, that same kind of argument carries. Now, do I think that that's like the way to go if you're going into harm's way? No. Do I think it's the greatest defensive weapon? Absolutely not. It's for like a pocket gun or something like that. But it'll still do the thing. Yeah, if I'm going into defensive situation, I want a carbine. Exactly. A shotgun or a carbine. Like an M1 carbine. Grand gun only exists to fight your way to your rifle.

It's true. It's boomer truth, but it's true. Yeah. The, yeah, I like the 43X. You know, if I'm going to carry a Glock, I'll carry the 43X. but the Smith and West and C-C-9 is I mean the H&K CC-9 is just amazing it's what's funny is I tried to shoot the

the shadow two carry and the shadow two carry had more had more Muslim flip and felt recoil than my CC9 and my CC9 probably weighs you know a third yes yeah of the shadow carry I like the I like the classic CZ 75 CZ 85 but like their

time has probably passed Mr. Burden they're cool guns they're cool guns but they are pretty hipster it's funny that the HK guns are those

you know there'll be people who poo poo them because they're like oh you just care about that from video games and stuff but it's like no they're really nice guys. They're going to be around they'll be around for

generations. You can pass them down and pass them down and pass them down and pass them down. And people are like, well, you know, H&K hates their customers. I'm like, they're German. That's what, yeah, their German is good.

You buy. It's like, come on. We buy it. Yeah, sure, there are some people who are going to buy HK, HKs just because they see them in a video game or see them in a movie. They saw collateral and of course,

you know, got to run out and get a USB. But, I mean, buy one and shoot it. And then talk shit. Exactly. It's kind of funny now in the video game industry. It's like back in the day, people just weren't aware of the fact that,

oh, you know, you put your gun in a video game or something. It's advertising and whatnot. And now, like, they're charging. charging people to actually put their guns in the various games. So they just come up with like absolute goofball combinations of letters and numbers for their games, but just model it. You know, it's like that, yeah, here's your K.A. 73, you know, that you can pick up in this game or something.

It's clearly, you know, a Kalishnikov, you know. So I don't know how much that plays these days. It's really important in terms of people getting into guns. Like, I, my dad didn't grow up hunting. but we had like some target rifles and other things. And so the way that I got really into them was from like comic books and movies and just reading gun magazines and stuff as a kid and, you know, shooting and scouting.

And so my dad was like, of course it's totally normal. and my mom grew up kind of a country kid. So I was able to indulge in such things. And it's really interesting because I grew up in this area that was like half like that and half libtarded. And so it made for a really funny dynamic where a lot of the, you know, a fair number of kids that I grew up with hunted. And we were like on the edge. Like I lived in a place where my grandfather hunted when he was a kid. when it wasn't suburbs, right?

And so it makes for an interesting dynamic, but generationally, this is how people get into things. So I remember in the 90s and the aughts, the boomers and especially like the silent generation type being really off put by people getting into guns through media. And I'm like, the Smith & Western Model 29 became a big deal because of movies. And you're just,

you just have this block that like only the, only the media that I consume is like the legitimate channel for getting people into these things. It's like, no, it's going to happen. So just relax. And, you know, it's funny because I played golden eye after already knowing what the VZ 61 was, which is still one of my favorite weapons of all time.

and Mr. Pete's is quite nice. And it's, you know, it makes me laugh because there are all these, you know, people would call it the club and stuff. And I'm like,

yeah, but look at all the people who got into guns playing these games. They're fun. You know, it's like people who go into the military because they played video games and shooters and stuff. And they're like, this is awesome.

I want to do this. There's a lot of good club videos. on on YouTube where they explain how it is just the bad guy gun like there you you try to find a movie where there's a good guy

like the like the like the Steyer Og and die hard oh yeah beautiful yeah I wanted an HKP7 I mean I know it I know Hans is carrying an M13 but I wanted a P7

just because I sought die hard oh of course it's totally it's totally normal that's how you just get exposed to these things i think i think the price of mine has doubled since i bought it i think i could sell it for like double what i bought i believe it i believe it remember when they were the the german police ones because again the german police is it is it provincial i forget what their districting is called whether it's a province or whatever, but they would different provinces or whatever, the German terminology, apologies people, they would buy different weapons. And they had a German military and police trials in the,

in the early 80s, and the police went with single stack 9 millimeters. And that's where like the cool guns of the 80s came out of, like is people developing weapons. for these military trials or these police trials. And so you would see the different versions. The military trials would be the double stacks and the police trials would be the single stacks. That's where you get the HKP7M8. That's where you get the, like, what are some other ones?

There's the SIG 225, which is the single stack 9mm. Yeah, I had one when they were $300. Yeah, exactly. And you know what I would say is like I don't like SIGs, but they shoot really well. Like there's something. I got rid of all my, I got rid of all my Sigs. I got rid of all my Sigs on this on on on all this shit that happened in the past couple of years. Yeah.

I mean, they're they're very high quality. They're too heavy. It's like the bore axis feels like extremely high, but they still shoot well. Yeah. They're just bulky. and big. Again, I mean, everyone wants to, you know, dig on the Glock's doll.

But, hey, you know what? I think they are great. They are, they are the AK-47 of handguns for a reason. Yep, very true. Faggit, faggit. I recommend you stop being such a faggin. All right, that's it.

That's hilarious. No, I mean, I have, I, I like to. carry the um the 43x it just i mean it feels so good and it's in the hand and like um like all the police around here that's their backup weapon is a 43x it just if it's good if it's so well and everybody's saying it's 10 rounds nine millimeter single stack i mean it's just it feels great though i've not had any i will say the one thing i will say is that uh clock triggers are just absolute ass oh yeah yeah have to have to be uh after market you need to.

You have to. Or you can do the polish. The old trick of changing the disconnector and the like return spring to get that sweet spot. And but yeah, no, I get it. I get it.

My wife like the, my wife has a 43. And I think it's really cool. It's a little too small for me. 43X is beautiful. 48's beautiful. 19 is a brick, but it works, so I don't care.

Yeah. By 17, if you want to get an FRT. Yeah, I mean, well, here's the other thing, too, that we can talk about with this is that, you know, just everyone, just carry appendix. You know, you can hide a much bigger gun on your person, like a 19 or something if you're carrying appendix. I mean, I know when everybody first starts off, like, oh, you know, I'm a little nervous about having a gun that close to my dick. But, you know, it's, it'll be fine, dude. Don't carry a 320 and you'll be fine. Yeah, eventually you'll get away from the 4 o'clock hold or, you know, just, I'm still amazed how many guys still think like, oh, you know what?

I'm just going to carry small the back. It's like, dude, come on. I'm too old to get away from the 4 o'clock. I'm sorry. Just way too old. I mean, all my training, like literally my hand, that's where my hand goes. Yeah. I guess I'm the odd man out here.

Too bad. And when you become old and develop a tummy, the, uh, behind the hip is especially. I like, I have a friend who, uh, even working construction has carried, like, and what I would do is like working in offices and stuff. I would have to downgun or I would have to work around things based on how I was dressed, right? And so, you know, you carry whatever is appropriate. And he would always carry a compact, double stack, whatever. And he was AIWB for a really long time, like literally crawling around in these construction sites, building stuff,

carrying AIWB. And he got to the point where he was, you know, left that work. And he was like, I got too much of a gut. I'm back behind the hip. And I'm much happier. I'm like, okay. Gotta do what you got to do, man. I inherited a shoulder holster from my grandfather.

Don't really have anything that fits it. But no, they're interesting. It's a cool idea. I will say this. I am somebody who forever and ever and ever just swore off 1911s. until you shoot a 1911 and 9mm. Yeah, yep. And then it's over.

And people go, oh, well, if you're going to shoot a 1911 in 9mm, why don't you just get a high power? It's like, I have two. It's not the same. Believe me, it's not the same. I mean, I love high powers. High powers is, I think Carl and I were talking one time. It was like 95% of the men in the world, like the high power fits just perfectly

in the head. Yes. No matter what size you are or anything, you know, it's just, it's just perfect. But a night, but like a good Colt, 1911, 9mm with the cobra grips from the movie Cobra. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I'm sorry.

It's a meme gun. I don't care. Well, everybody's got to have some, right? I mean, I'm at this point where it's like, I, I, I just know that within the next 10 years, I'm going to inherit something like 50. So I'm like, I don't even want to buy anything else. else anymore. No, that makes sense.

Yeah. I have to tell you guys, uh, my grandfather's commercial cult commercial government model made in 1924 burned up in the Paradise California fire. Oh. And I, my uncle was going to give it to me. Because his son would,

would have just pawned it. I got him some nice grips for it because my granddad actually carried this thing. After World War II, he came home and he saw it in the window of a pawn shop and was like, I'm going to buy that because the military issue ones are just rattle traps and they're going to be a dime a dozen. And this thing will always be super high quality because they were hand-fitted and everything. and so he bought it for 50 bucks, which was like a pretty substantial amount of money at the time for a pistol. It was,

I think he said it was like two weeks wages for the job that he got afterwards in a foundry. And yeah, and that was his piece. And it was absolutely gorgeous. He had Packmire grips on it that he put on in the late 60s, because he carried it when he would motorcycle around. And he gave it to my uncle and it burned up in the Paradise Fire. And I was just like, da!

The saddest thing is that. And then his wife's Colt Python made in the 70s burned up also. They had like 30 minutes to get out of town when the wind shifted. And like all these heirloom. of all kinds burned up. And it's just like, oh, that's brutal. Like literally money cannot replace those things. No, why don't we shift the conversation a little bit here to the political?

I mean, I know that over the last couple of years in particular, especially after 2020, a lot of people have discussed in the broader right-wing sphere about the actual utility of the Second Amendment, right? And I do have to say, my opinion has shifted on this quite a bit as I've aged, you know, definitely growing up from like the classic boomer con household and talky points of, well, eventually someday, you know, because the right wingers have all the guns, everything's just going to be over, yada, yada, yada, uh-huh. I mean, I guess like, you know, what can really be said at this point, then I'm glad that we have it. I think the best utility it has at this point is being able to stop Jamal from stealing your bike,

but as it relates to actually shrinking the power of the state and the government, I think it's kind of obvious at this point that the Second Amendment is just not fit for that purpose. But either way, people shouldn't have guns, people should train with guns, people should know how to use them. If you're an American, man, you absolutely should own them. What do you fellows think? Got, Carl. Okay. I will choose my words carefully.

on paper it is a both collective and individual right and if we turn it into merely an individual right it really loses its teeth you also have hundreds of years of militia laws and things of that nature that make it to where you have to be very careful about the way that you talk about things and I just want to send this out there into the ether for everyone. You and your friends, even if you are tempted to have names for things, or you're part of a group, let's say, that has a name, you never as a collective participate in certain types of activities. You as individuals can go together to do safety training or whatever, but that's it, because that's how they get you by people talking like they're super cool and everything like

that. There's also an old argument that the left gets in trouble by committing crime. and the right would get in trouble by acquiring cool stuff that they were entrapped into. And so, like, there's no such thing as deals out there, you know, do everything above board and follow all laws carefully. That's my, that's my rant on the subject. Second. Yeah, I would say that living where I live and no one. the crime statistics of certain towns, I would say that the, and then looking at the demographics of a town. So in Alabama, you can have a town of, say, 3,000, and there'll be 700 people in it from a,

you know, who took boat rides here. Let's just, let's say that. Their families took boat rides here. and there really aren't a lot of problems. There may be some problems every once in a while between them and each other, but they pretty much know what they're surrounded by. And that's what people don't get. You know, that when they think about the South, they're like, oh, there's a lot of black people down there. Okay, yeah, you know, Birmingham.

You got Birmingham. You got Atlanta. You got, you know, Albany, Georgia, places like that. Of course, Tuskegee here. And, but when it comes to places where, you know, it's not 98% that class. Yeah. But you, the things are pretty calm. Pretty calm.

You're not, you're pretty much not worried about, about anything. you happen to leave your door, leave your door unlocked when you go to, when you go to sleep, when you wake up and realize you kept your door unlocked, you're not worried. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that there's a lot of fucking guns here. Yeah, they know they'll get blasted. Wow. There was a, there was a case in, I think this was as late as the latent, 90s, one town over from where I grew up, where my grandmother had spent her childhood, or some portion of her childhood, and a near-do-well from an urban center, an urban youth, two urban youths decided that they were going to go into this community based on some intel they got from, I don't know who, probably someone doing some work.

and robbed the place, and the homeowner shot one of them in the back with a Colt Python in the backyard. And the local prosecutors were like, word, word, son. And, like, that probably wouldn't fly now, given the county that it's in. but, you know, that that is traditional, that's the traditional, the traditional standard that, you know, governed America and Western Europe is that you do not mess with a man's castle. And if you do, there are consequences for it. And so I feel like the people that poo poo the Second Amendment are basically just racist libtards a lot of the time. and they're kind of gay because it's like, no,

like I understand some of their point. The argument is like everyone having to carry a gun isn't cool. It'd be better if, you know, scumbags weren't on the street. I agree completely with that. However, you know, if you poo-poo it too much, yes, from a political perspective so far, is it

you know is it influencing things? No but let's just talk about something that Pete and I are pretty well versed in which is the Spanish Civil War in Spain they had to like go overseas

to buy right bolt action rifles for their the Spanish patriots from among the population who made themselves available to the army. I notice how I avoid certain trigger words because I'm not retarded. That's like a total non-issue in America.

That's like an absolute non-issue. So just putting that out there. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some good points to be made there for sure. I mean, yeah, well, just look at all that it's right. better to have it and not need it than need it and not have right yeah and another thing is that you'll remember from like the 90s and the

aughts and again I understand where people think this is corny because it hasn't played out too often but every once in a while it does remember the people saying there are millions of deer hunters in America who have experienced pulling the trigger

out to 300 yards right and it's true it's very true It just hasn't become a thing yet. There's more deer hunters in the Midwest than all of the world's armies combined. Exactly. Exactly. And so, like, if you think about it that way, like, that is a capability.

And that capability doesn't matter unless it's, like, organized, you know, the bundle of sticks with the axe head sticking out at the top, right? Like, you have to be part of a culture and a society with hierarchy to be able to do things like that and you know the nice thing is that you know maybe there's opportunities for it being taken advantage of by lawful authority lawfully legal authority with shiny badges yeah exactly 100% legal yes um uh yeah it really really really is a rich topic you can go many different directions with, whether it's the hunting, whether it's the competition shooting, whether it's the plethora of gun tubers, the not gay ones, you know, of which are a couple.

You know, it is kind of crazy that, I mean, we, the average person can have weaponry on par and even better than some of the military weaponry. Yeah. You're just, in most, in a lot of cases, you're going to have to pay for it. You know, you pay out the ass for it. If you want to start playing with short barrel rifles and short barrel shotguns and suppressors, you're going to have to do NFA stuff. You know, you don't have the $200 anymore.

But, you know, it's there and, you know, thinking that, oh, well, everything I have, no one knows what I have because I bought everything private sales. They know what you have. You wouldn't be able to bury them in the backyard. They can actually find that. shit. You're buying ammo, you're mail-ordering ammo with credit cards and debit

cards. I mean, yeah. Our favorite woman in the chat, Don Browning, is just bringing this up right now down in old Oz saying, we can't have loaded firearms in the home or while in transit, we have to have separate lock boxes. I mean, just not having to

deal with all that faggity bullshit like that. Well, it is can you imagine? Can you literally imagine someone trying to tell me, No, you can't have a loaded firearm in your house at any time. Fuck you. We can have MP5s. We can have, you know, LMTs.

We can have we can have agent K rifles that are just as good as, you know, the one that allegedly killed Saddam. I mean, Osama bin Laden. I don't believe that story for a fucking second. But, I mean, we can have all the. quality that military has. And do I think that the reason why the government hasn't gone like completely like, you know, black bagging people, black bagging masses of people, because people do get black bagged by the government. But black bagging masses of people because

of, because we have weaponry. No, we just don't have a government that knows how to function. you should be happy about that. I mean, it just, it just doesn't work. They can target, like, one person or a group here and there. But for the most part, they don't even have the budget to, like, police all of the dispensaries in, like, Orange County, California. Couldn't do that in a year with their budget. So, what's a good point?

I mean, you know, we, you know, if you have this stuff, if you, you know, if you have, you know, quote unquote military type weapons, I mean, there, you know, could come a day societal breakdown. A lot of people in Minneapolis could have probably used some, you know, people in other areas probably could have used some at different times. But, you know, they're there. you know they just it's it's nice to know it's nice to know it's there you know and they're fun

yeah they're fun they're fun as fun yeah once you start shooting suppressed you don't want to shoot unsuppressed oh absolutely if you can get if you can get your setup to the point where you can shoot

outdoors without without ears. I mean, love. I mean, it's so much fun. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's funny like, you know, obviously when you go out hunting and such, you know, it's not like you're bringing your headphones out when you're out in the field or what have you. So once you've been through the process a few times of the ear ringing,

you know, you're like, oh, I don't want to deal with this. ever again, which just puts it in the context of, you know, no wonder everybody came back from all these wars, completely fucking deaf. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

And there's so many electronic earbuds now where you can shoot, you could fucking shoot, you know, 4570 government and be talking to your buddy without taking them off. I mean, it's, the technology is there. I mean, you can get those for sometimes less than 60 bucks. yeah yeah yeah i got walker uh electronic earmuffs i was just going to mention that yeah this stereo ones for 35 dollars each um like they have bluetooth a couple christmases ago i think they do have bluetooth and listen to music while you're shooting yeah i know it's crazy and so my

my son early on like he liked shooting but he hated the noise and he hated the hearing protection and like with the bulky analog stuff, but then using a nice compact electronic earmuffs with full caliber stuff, he absolutely loves it. And the first time, you know, he shot prone and,

you know, at a hundred yards, you know, it wasn't like a group that you would write home about, but he kept them all in like a, you know, four inch circle. He was like,

oh my God. And he holds up the paper and he holds it against his chest and he just started laughing. Because he was like, this isn't hard. And it's like, and then he realized how much of a skill it was to like learn. Like, yeah, it's not that hard, but you can get better and better. And it gives you something to focus on. And it's a whole discipline. But it's actually useful because then you can use it for all these other things.

So, yeah. I had a suggestion for people because I know the conversation comes up a lot about teaching your wife, your girlfriend to shoot. And handguns, you can usually figure something out pretty good and everything, but it's not always that a woman can handle like an AR or something like that. if you're, you know, if you want to get, you know, if you want her to have more rounds than a hunting rifle or something like that, I'm telling you, the PS 90, the FNPS 90, is perfect for a woman. That makes it.

It is so perfect. Look, I can, short barrel, 10 inch barrel, I can handle it with one hand. I can literally maneuver it with one hand, raise it up, raise up, get zero with one hand, with one arm. I mean, it's, it's perfect for, for a woman. I was talking stormy about that.

We were, we were on video and I was like, just showing him. And he's like, oh, this is like, that is like the perfect thing for a woman. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's weighs less. I think loaded, you know, even with the 50 round bag and even if you throw a little suppressor on it, it's not six pounds. that's crazy that's awesome

50 rounds and again it's a miniaturized version of the 556 cartridge yes I know but it's essentially a miniaturized version of it with like the lightest bullet that you can get

but like 50 rounds of it and the idea is that you're not shooting it past like personal defense distances 150 200 meters The FN rounds that come in the red box, they're about a dollar around, they're 27 grain. Check the ballistics videos on them. Yeah. Enter and go immediately go up.

Like they enter the, like no matter where you shoot it in the, in the gelatin, it shoots straight up at the top. Now think about what that's going to do to a body. I mean, it's pretty wild. Then you have different, like some companies have made different. I have a 36 grain copper, copper hollow point that, I mean, like, will penetrate and mushroom like crazy. And it'll penetrate like 20 inches and just mushroom like fucking just. Yeah.

Yeah. So I just wanted to say that because, you know, Stormy and I were brainstorming. on that and it was uh and i was like this it's just a perfect weapon for women and i think it was you know when you when you know the history of of the uh of the platform and what it was designed for it was designed for um belgians who they thought that during the cold war the soviets would um would invade it was basically it was designed for every like like i think they said they wanted they wanted a 10 year old to be able to operate it yeah yeah it was it was untrained troops or like barely minimal uh familiarization required for it to be ejects the rounds down if you

shoot it suppress it ejects the gas down yeah it's yeah it's there's which is a big deal it reminds me of that line in uh lord of war the nick cage movie he's like uh the K-47. So simple a child can use it and they do. He checks the cases down before some pet ant autist tells me. It comes in and says, you said it ejects the rounds down. But yeah, I can't, I can't say enough about how much fun that thing is to shoot, especially the short barrel. I mean, it's, come on, you're in a fucking video game.

Yeah. Yeah, Adam said it's ambidextrous too. I mean, it's, yeah, the only thing you got to do is it's the, the, the rail sits a little high. You just get rid of the, take the rail out, you get an adapter, and then you can pretty much, you can put a red dot in it. It works perfectly fun. Man, we could just be here for hours, couldn't we? Oh, dude. We haven't even started talking about MP5Ks.

Yeah, yeah, I know that's a shot. What a Charlemagne's favorites. Good old MP5s. Yeah, the ones that are suppressed 22s. Oh, you know, you could just shoot them literally all day. I had, you know, believe it or not, I had a Glock 19, a Gen 3. It was OD, and I had it set up suppressed. And with a really inexpensive, it was the first suppressor I ever got, it was Huntington Arms Guardian 9.

Like after the first shot, all you heard was the slide racking with 147 grain or 158 grain. Yeah, 158 grain. S&B. Yeah. Wonderful. So much fun. So much fun. Yeah, it's when you get into the point when an actual gun starts to sound like a BB gun, you know, like, oh.

Well, I mean, some of the 556 suppressors now are really, really good. like the Lazarus 6. Yeah. The Lazarus 6. Oh my goodness. It's like when you look at the noise reduction on that, holy crap. Even on 10, even on 10.5. 11 inch barrels.

And they're small. Yeah. Like with the laser metal centering, they're so small. And you can have this complex geometry that is like non-machineable. It's really. The baffles. Yeah, the baffles on the on the Lazarus 6 or 3D print. with what's the metal they use they use the same metal that um yeah they use it on the afterburners

on on the f 35 or something like that yeah amazing that's what that's what everything is now if you if you notice almost all the new companies are doing uh laser metal centering or whatever the term is i'm sure i'm butchering it but like in cannell and titanium and stuff like that and you can do multi-metal laser centering so that you can have some of it be like more of it be titanium and some of you know just the blast baffle and certain components be in canal uh to save money but yeah it's it's really wild and yeah that's where just the proliferation and the technology my argument is that you know the people who are worried about you know i'm in a state that was recently totally captured by Lib Tarts and they're pushing all this gun control.

Yeah, but if you look at the federal level, the deregulation that is taking place, where they're just throwing in the towel on a lot of this stuff, because we have technological workarounds plus inflation. And we also have enough advocacy in the Congress to get, for example, the NFA tax removed for suppressor. short-brailed rifles and short-barreled shotguns to where those things are going to be most likely by the end of the year be thrown out as even an entire category because it's you know the NFA was only justifiable in 1934 because of Congress's ability to impose taxes on interstate trade so it'll it'll be really interesting to see what happens there but I just don't I don't worry about it I don't have this negative perspective that a lot of these people do because of that. I think we're just, it's just seems inevitable to me that they're just not going to be able to control things. You

can't stop the signal. Like Washington and California and New York are trying to pass restrictions on 3D printer manufacturers that would stop them from making gun components. And there's a company in Spain that is basically saying we can tell if a component is in violation of these things or not. And it's like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, it's not enforceable. You know, you can claim it.

You can try it. You can say this stuff is illegal, but you're not going to stop it. it's just impossible. And so I sincerely believe that just noncompliance and proliferation is what you do. And you just develop an adversarial relationship with your government. I'm not saying violate the law. I'm saying that's the trend in society. Like if you look at like weed restrictions in America,

like they end up legalizing weed a bunch of places. And then they kind of de facto criminalize it and others. unless it's over certain amounts because they're like, it's just everywhere. And like we can't just lock everyone up for it. And so, you know, they have to start. It's how they lost the war against weed. That's exactly it. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, as much as like we, yeah, I mean, obviously that's the topic that nobody here is a fan of, obviously the proliferation of weed and all of our city smell like shit. But I mean, yeah, they lost it just simply because it's just completely unenforceable. It's completely unenforceable. Yeah. And it's like to the point where, you know, the printing technology is just so accessible now. I mean, I was over at a friend's house not too long ago and show me like in depth about how you can get yourself kidded out. And for not even like a thousand bucks and you're basically just like an arms dealer in your house.

Yes. It's just impossible at this point. It's just not able to do it. You know what's fucking crazy is that Lazarus 6 where it uses Haynes 282 alloy. And they 3D printed. That Haines 382 alloy is used in boiler and steam turbines up to 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit. I mean, that's, think about that. What do you have to do to break that?

What do you're going to have to do to fuck that up? And they're using that, they're 3D printing with that. And you can't, it's over. And you can't say exactly that the people who don't understand technology don't understand that any limitations that you attempt to impose on this screws everything about manufacturing in America. So the feds aren't going to allow it because they're going to be like, oh, you're going to impose for some stupid reason. You're going to have some proprietary company in Spain that's going to tell you if you can print shit or not, like when we need to like

reindustrialize America. It's not going to. It's not going to. to happen. It's not going to happen. It's, it's completely absurd. They, they just can't, they just can't do it. I mean, what's interesting about this too is that this actually was kind of quietly going away on like a lot of the left wing platform. Yes. Since times, until like this Virginia thing, which just came out of nowhere, dude, you know, it's like, oh, okay, we're just going to try and ban guns from the entire state. And I'm no expert on this one. You know, people can go listen to burden on this one. I'm sure he's got a lot to say about this, but I, I just, I just, I found that one very, very bizarre because it wasn't even something like Kamabla brought up at all, like in the 2020 election really did bring up guns much. This is kind of one of those things that has actually gone our way, at least since I've been alive.

You know, I mean, like the people point out like the concealed carry maps all the time. 100%. So, I mean, yeah. Another cool thing is if when you start getting into suppressors and stuff, a very cool like, just a bone. of it. Most of them are made in the United States. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting stuff that's made in the United States. So, I mean, you can look that stuff up, of course, when you're, when you're ordering it. But yeah, I mean, like, I don't think I have a suppressor that isn't made in the United States.

Yeah, they're just, yeah, it's game over for them. I mean, you know, Cody Wilson basically destroyed them. Yeah. And he released all of those files. And then he came out with the, what the hell is the name of that? The CNC machine he has. Ghost Gunner, which is just a simple CNC. Yeah, desktop CNC, which is like cost way more than everything else that's coming out now.

Yeah, yeah. But it's insanely simple. You hook it up to a laptop and then basically boom, you just hits a, it does everything for you. It's basically automated. I mean, it's fucking nuts, man. Cats out of the bag, people. Cats out of the bag.

Cats out of the bag. And that's the number one thing is that we can, like, one of the things that people worry about in terms of like AI and, you know, just the blowing up of a lot of the kind of white collar class. I have a different perspective on that topic, despite being a person in the impact zone of such things, is that what it means is you're just not going to have large companies that are going to need lots of people to do that kind of work anymore.

But with these new tools, you're empowered, like never before, to punch way above the weight of just a single person. Emily Yucas just put out an insanely hilarious just on the nose Will Stancel show episode that is genius

but using a technology that the way she frames it it's like having an animation studio and her having a budget to pay like an animation studio in Korea to do all the work, but she can do it herself, one person, and pay a little bit of money for, like, server time. And that applies to manufacturing, which applies to guns in the Second Amendment.

So, like, to your point, Pete, on the federal level, it's over. It's just deregulation. So we are going into this system of de facto state, the states deciding how they're going to do things. And yeah, it might suck to deal with some of the stuff for a while. But I honestly think a lot of that is going away. I think they're just not going to be able to do it. I mean, Don Quavius can spray the hood with his P-80, you know, kit with a switch that he ordered from wish.com and that's totally fine from the perspective of the feds.

It's over and it's like it's going to take some time to get there. Our producer points out in chat that GOA in West Virginia is pushing a bill to sell new machine guns through state gun stores. Interesting. So my guess is that that's based on manufacturers selling only in state so that it's not federally regulated

by interstate trade. I think this is an old tactic that people had been planning to attempt. And so it's not like they're going for it. The argument against it people are making is the same old argument. Well, people can just take it over state lines.

I mean, anyone who has an SBR in the NFL, through the NFA, knows that before you take it at the state lines, you have to fill out a form to say exactly where you're going. You don't have to do that for suppressors, but you have to do it for SBRs. Most of the people who are going to be able to buy these things and afford these things are law abiding citizens who are going to, who would do that if they were taking it, if they had to take it somewhere and they would know the law about where they're taking it. Believe me, when I drive, the only reason I have a permit in my state,

state, which is constitutional state, is because I go to the surrounding states. And the surrounding states want you to have that. I know which states don't reciprocate. I don't take a weapon there. Yep. It's, it's, uh, here's another thing that's related that I know that Pete is familiar with. Fixed reset triggers and super safeties. So for our listeners who aren't aware, these are,

devices that operate in such a fashion that the federal government through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives recognizes these things as operating as semi-automatic weapons based on the language of the National Firearms Act of 1934, which defines what is a machine gun versus what is semi-automatic. And they're essentially drop-in components that either have a reset that takes place in the trigger mechanism engaging with the bolt or like a lever. The super safety is a lever on the safety where there's a camming action against the bolt. and if you fire them,

you can actually feel that you're like, oh, if I hold it down hard all the way so that it, my finger prevents it from resetting, it'll only fire one round. Thus, it's semi-automatic. So you have to have this light touch to allow the system to literally push the

trigger forward to a full reset. And because you're holding it, it'll break and fire. So, they basically, made it a bump like bump fire correct but it's internal to the gun and the ATF lost a multi-year lawsuit against a company called rare breed triggers which um who those AR triggers are amazing they are they are but I have to do my I have to state that uh rare breed triggers as part of this lawsuit was

required by the ATF. Listen to how much sense this makes. This took place under the Biden administration. Do I think it would be wildly different given the leadership of the ATF under the Trump administration? Probably not. But

they got an exclusive, basically an exclusive right to sell a drop-in you know, like pretty much fully semi-automatic is the joke trigger component.

And then they were required as part of their winning this lawsuit by the ATF or the settlement associated with it, I should say, to aggressively pursue, like legally anyone who would attempt to infringe upon them being the sole distributor of these things. Well, the fellow who invented Mr. Hoffman, the fellow who invented the super safety, put it out there into the public domain, someone else put a, uh, basically fraudulent patent on his invention within the one year discretionary period and then sold it to the people who basically this organization that owns

rare breed triggers and they go around as patent trolls suing anyone who would make something that even comes close to this functionality, basically at the behest of the ATF to try to shut them down. And so there are multiple class action lawsuits going on against them right now. And essentially, it's extremely likely that the fraudulent patent is going to get thrown out as well as some of the other patents. So if people want to participate in this, there are a couple of funds out there for people to donate to. Again, through Hoffman, who's on X, and then some other groups are also fighting for their own super safety businesses. And it's very expensive.

I'm aware of a person who has spent more than $90,000. on this fight and it's still ongoing. So personally, I would recommend that people not support rare breed triggers,

although the pieces that they make are very high quality. It's interesting that part of their argument in the courts was that because they charge $450 which is like $300 plus dollars of pure profit,

according to, to them, according to the lawsuit, it being more expensive is good from some legal perspective because it restricts who has access to it, rather than it being some, you know, rather than it being about them like owning this invention because they're totally unrelated mechanisms. So that's something that'll play itself out soon. And my reason for going into all this is, again, this is, again, this is. is another situation. We're just like shoulder braces, which were a workaround, excuse me, arm braces. It's basically a folding stock, but it was legal to add it because certain aspects of stock features are not there.

Others are. But because of equal protection combined with, you know, making allowances for disabled. people, you can create this new class of things. And so that is like the root of getting the short barrel rifle and short barrel shotgun restriction basically thrown away from the NFA because it became unenforceable through, again, propagation of these workarounds. So keep working on things and keep legally challenging the restrictions on what you can access and maybe someday maybe someday we'll be able to have unrestricted access to other things thank you all right well with that chance um why don't we tackle these super chats and uh we'll call it uh

we'll call it a night a always a fun discussion talk about uh the oldest and noblest of american pastimes i would say um starting from the top we got solid snake this man knows his guns, absolutely. So he's stuck behind enemy lines once again with his suppressed handguns underneath his cardboard box to bring us the first Super Chad of the evening. He says to us for five bucks, evening gents, I've had the pleasure to shoot some cool guns in my short life so far, MP5, SML, Garand, and some others. Here's hoping that someday I can walk into my local store and buy an automatic submachine gun

at normal prices. Salute. Free Americans! And they may become a... sooner than you think, my friend. We'll see. Wolfgang for 15 bucks says, salute the OGC, down with the man flew, but I'm here anyway.

Damn. All right. Well, hopefully... Real Americans. Yes, and you indeed are real American. Airmaid discourse for five bucks. I prefer tacos and tequila after my hunting trips. Salute. Real Americans. Yes, you are real Americans, sir.

Wolfgang again for five bucks. of Iowa mandates a 350 minimum 30 30 and 30 out six are out of here. I'm assuming he's talking about for deer. I think that they require like the straight case weirdo rounds that are very cool. But niche. Oh yeah, he says in the next super chat, this is for deer hunting. Yeah, I assumed as much. All right.

Seasider for 10 bucks sends us a salute as he does every week. Thank you very much, sir. you're a real American. Real Americans. Yeah, there we go. Real Americans. Excomer for five bucks says 32 ACP. And there you go.

And you just know there's going to be so many people in the comment section at the end of this one. Real Americans. Yeah, yeah. Real Americans indeed. Let's see. Daryl Armand Trout for five bucks says, VA here lost all Virginia here lost all my good stuff in a voting accident

yeah yeah yeah stay strong there boys stay strong Christopher Burke sends us five bucks and a salute thank you very much Real Americans Yes real American

City break dancer man Always one of the funniest names in the chat For five bucks also sends us a salute Real Americans Yeah real Americans Balero 393 and old head for five bucks says, I can't wait until victory when American schools will teach pistol and rifle marksmanship, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and hunting skills as mandatory high school credits.

Peace. Yeah. All right. Belorio 393 again for five bucks. Future American history classes will include practice with historical weapons and tactics while students learn about the wars in which they were used. Yeah, that'd be cool. It's like, yeah, you guys are going to reenact a colonial militia in South Carolina. You're going to watch Mel Gibson's the Patriot.

Yeah. Hammer Rain for $10. Says, trimming 2-23 brass to reload 300 blackout has been my favorite things to teach my sons. Carl, what's a good defense round for? Bears. Heaviest, basically the heaviest, flattest nose that'll work with exposed lead you want maximum penetration but allowing it to to mushroom not just FMJ and Buffalo Boar has a couple yeah 44 44 mag rounds that are that are great for bear he's actually they they actually have one that he says he's

taking a bear down with one of his nine millimeter one of his nine millimeter loads damn it's like ever shoot a Buffalo Boar I Like my Carl told me about this p third uh for my p 32 it's like a plus p plus there's a there's a black guy doing a ballistics um a ballistics gel video on it on youtube it is by far the deepest penetrator of any 38 32 acp that i've seen yeah the only uh only bear i've ran into in the States was I was at a bachelor party and we were staying in a cabin in the middle of rural Pennsylvania. I was walking down a trail after a night of drinking and there was a black bear on the trail and it quickly took off. So that was that was cool to see. The brown bears definitely

aren't as common as they used to be in the lower 48, but they're making a comeback in some areas. They reintroduced grizzly bears to my family grouse lands. about two years ago and I'm honestly like I don't even want to camp up there anymore. You've got to be careful. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right.

Where we leave off here? SEPA credulous for three bucks in a truly free country, I would be free to hunt Canadian geese with Lego brick 12-gauge shotgun shells. Goose hunting is a lot of fun. I want to shoot snow geese go to Lake to Missouri or something to shoot them because they just fly and flocks of like 10,000 strong

and it's just pop-a-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bom. That would be really fun. No, I'm not Grim from Red Hood, who is also a channel member, and you guys in the chat can also now sign up for channel memberships and get access to OGC streams behind the paywall,

such as our gaming content that we've been doing quite a bit recently, including on Tuesday, instead of watching the State of the Union, where we had some very, very intense battles, particularly at the end of the stream, with myself, Mr. Quinn, Charlemagne, and Raging Mandrill. We're playing some Total Warhammer 3, so you two can become a channel member and get access to those videos. But he says, for two bucks, New Vegas's Honest Hearts D.L.C.

Maybe love 1911s. I never played any of the fallout games, so I cannot relate, unfortunately. All righty. Let's see. Imagine my lack of shepels for 10 bucks. I'm starting a community organization to educate leftists on their two-way rights. Membership comes with complimentary. Lesson one is how to toss your weapon to your comrade.

That's hilarious. Nice, nice. Kyle Lindskog for 15 bucks says, thanks for the information and chat. Well, thank you, sir. uh aramaic discourse again for five bucks i noticed the only people advocating for gun control lately are politicians slash activists of foreign extraction at least in my area yeah that's very true yeah they're the main ones yeah yeah yeah very good point yeah you don't have like the beta

or orcs anymore you know like the white politicians uh talking about uh gun stuff much anymore hmm um x runner 55 best way to describe uh it uh it is the pie gets bigger, but the slices get smaller and everyone gets richer. Not sure, but that's in reference to at the time. But thank you very much, sir. We appreciate it. Zenrath for five bucks. Virginia will be a wild one for a while.

Send us your prayers. Not to mention I heard the term assault handgun entered the scene recently. Oh, for God's sake. Well, all righty. Yeah, definitely hang in there, Virginia, guys. And it's times like this that we must remind everybody, join your local OGC chapter. Got to have people you can rely on in these trying times. I know a lot more of our guys are starting to get in business with each other.

Really, really big and very, very important task into the future. So join the OGC. Moving on here to X Runner 55 again for Five Box, he says. The best would, oh, wait, no, I just wrote that one. Um, uh, next one is, um, uh, uh, super Jack, uh, super Jack hack for 20 bucks. Uh, here's 20 bucks and all that, that entails. Also, you go guns are great. Don't know anything about that. Jack has a ongoing, um, teasing campaign with Mr. Burden, IRL and online on this subject.

There we go. I like the underfolder, A.Ks are a little heavy. but you know i've i've grown to have a great appreciation for check guns and check ammo which is become my favorite ammo very good ammo hey jack hmm um john c barsum for 10 bucks bretta has some fantastic rebates currently uh even on threaded 32 acp guns j byrne promised to get one for his wife uh interesting uh we talked about beretta too much but um I recently got one of the A400s and one shot pheasants with it, and I had a fun time with it. Those are great guns.

Yeah, yeah, they're fun. I like my Benelli Nova better. Oh, of course. Yeah, that, oh, what a, that gun is such a joy to shoot. The Ginnies are so much better than the Slavs. The Italians really know how to make a shotgun, man. They really do. Yeah.

Thank you. Mm-hmm. All right. Marcos 588 for eight Australian dollars. Sadly, not a real American here, despite admiring Pat and cheers from the adipodes lads. Would you all bring on in Aussie, your actual greatest ally? Yes, Americans indeed are friends of the Australians. Definitely share a special kinship with our Aussie friends.

We love our Aussies. Yes. Yes, indeed. And I pray that you guys can have your home again in these trying times, especially, I mean, I think they're coming for your guys' guns again in the wake of a shooting that involved literally nobody was Australian on either side. And we had an Aussie on the stream when we did the Bonde Beach episode. We did. We did. Yes. And finally, we got.

Volpiz persona for five bucks also supporting the channel membership star. We got to get some, some emojis or some pictures or something for channel members. I remember back in the day on AA's channel, people could have like Emperor Palpatine, like stickers or something. You know, on their sides, we got to do something creative for that. Anyway, he says American 180.

Not familiar. I'm not sure what he's referring to there. But anyway, well, we'll take your money regardless. That is a 22 Magnum submachine gun that looks like a Thompson with a big pan magazine on the top of it. It is wild as hell, but they're really cool. They're made in the 70s. And the idea was that it was a, if I recall correctly, it would be for dealing with prison riots. So it's, you know, 22 Magnum, so relatively short range.

and it would still sting more than a little bit. You got to throw a jab into somebody's skull as you're pulling the trigger. But it's literally like a 12-inch barrel submachine gun full auto at like 1800 rounds per minute or something. So you're emptying like a 200-round pan drum into the teaming masses of the types of people that commit prison riots. So pretty cool. All righty.

And that is the last of the super chats. So Pete, what do you have to promote? I'm sorry you woke up to some bad news this morning about the YouTube situation. But where can people find all of your stuff? I expected it. I mean, I can't believe it. I can't believe that it took this long. Yeah, Peking on a show, all podcatchers.

You can check out the videos for 200 years to get. over on Odyssey and yeah the audio you know if you contact me I'll let you know where the audio is because I'm just got to be a little careful right now but yeah that's it got a new episode dropping tonight of the Inquisition that it already dropped with Thomas 777 Stormy Waters and this guy named Carl Dahl so yeah that guy you guys might have heard of him yeah mr. Dahl and anything else to promote sir and thank you for coming on always a pleasure yeah thanks for having me it was super fun I appreciate it I'm always happy to talk about firearms

autism as well as promote the OGC you can find me at Carl Dahl dot substack.com or on X at Caudio Dahl thank you all right and last minute super chat from our good friend ski bum 220 always a good friend of the show sends us 50 bucks I guess he is a gun enjoyer. He says salute the OGC. Well, salute to you, sir. You are a real American. Real Americans.

Patriots. Indeed. Indeed. Well, I have nothing to promote right now because it's tax season. So I'm going to go to bed. So we'll be here and back for more Pony Express Radio next week. Everyone watch the rest of the great shows. OGC. is putting out American Spirits on Mondays,

chapter house on Wednesday and then the occasional gaming stream you guys got to be here live to watch it and then it's going to go behind the paywall so get those channel memberships if you want to watch it the last episode that we did on the tuesday of the state of the union was quite fun indeed so if people want something to relax and watch some gaming content definitely check that out we'll be back next week everyone have a good weekend when i pass on my good jeans to my sons they're going to join the old Lori Club.