The Pete Quiñones Show - 04/10 Old Glory Club Livestream - No Crying in the Casino

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

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All right, why don't we just get around and introduce everybody and then we'll do some housekeeping stuff. I guess, well, Cringe Walker, you managed to sneak your way into the top left corner of the stream tonight. So welcome back to the show, sir. Hello, hello. Happy to talk about science mumbo-jumbo and your

sandbatch's poetic interpretations. Yeah, it's going to be a fun one tonight for sure. Returning, as ever, is Mr. Pekronos. How are you, Pete? Doing well, doing well, let's go. Yeah, so you were, there's already people in the chat talking about how you were so missed last week. So, whenever

repeat is with us. Yeah, I know. You were greatly missed. All right. And we got an illegitimate scholar making his return once again. How are you, sir? Great, man. How are you doing? Doing well. I mean, well, you and I talked recently, so that'll be coming up at some point. You actually had the real Red Hawk on your show this time. So, you know. Yes, yes. I did bring the wrong guy onto my podcast because I thought it was you. Really, it's just like the most amazing story ever. He'll never let it go.

It's really funny. Yeah, his name, yeah. It was fine conversation, but his name was Red Tail Talk, which is not what you are. Still amazing. It's very embarrassing. Dude just gets right on there and starts talking about things in the 40s that didn't happen.

He came on and started talking about how he got his name from a shaman, and that was my first clue that something was very wrong. I know, that's totally perfect, though.

That's totally perfect. It was like, his name is red-tailed hawk. He can't think of his, my people have been dispossessed by white men many years. Here's a white guy that got it from some Ojibwee Medicine Man.

Did you publish it yet? Oh, yeah. this was a while ago. I'm looking us up. Yeah. Well, just search Red-Tailed Hawk on my YouTube, Illigerent Scholar. You'll find it.

I'll never forget that clip. Kahn Motovic said to me immediately after it happened, the clip, if you guys said 5 till midnight. He's like, wait, yeah, who on your show? Yeah, I was telling, yeah, I was like, no, I had him on. I'm sure, and he's like, no, I, you didn't have him on. He didn't say that. And I'm like, no, man, I'm sure I had him on.

And only then did I truly realize, even though I should have already, like, I already was like very confused. But I, like, because he didn't talk about stuff that you do. And I, but I was like, oh, whatever. I guess he has a story I didn't know about. But no, I realized in that moment, live on the internet for everybody to see. So shout out five till midnight, my second show that Pete and Red Pilled Hawk have been on, as well as the illegitimate scholar, which has had on Red Tailed Hawk and Red Tailed Hawk. and Red Peld next.

And I'm going to stop talking now. Amazing. All right. And we got Christopher Sandbatch joining us. So once again, how are you, my friend? Pretty good. Save me for last. This is my favorite show to come on, actually.

And I'm actually really happy that everything worked. Because I didn't, when we talked about me coming on for this, I didn't realize it was actually double booked for, because we do, because I'm doing Library of Mass Destruction with Capulissimo. And we do it on Thursday night. And I've talked to him about this before. It's like, we really should be competing with a, the gc and he's like yeah we're just gonna work with it for now so we're doing that

friday and but i'm very very happy to be here i you know i just scheduled a appearance with um my first ever uh drive time movie night with uh cap and micha pole is coming up in a couple weeks so they're so fine it's i know i'm excited for it so uh yeah so people aren't uh paying attention to michael and cap are up to uh go check them out on uh on twitter when they're doing their uh movie nights A couple of housekeeping things are in order before we start talking about the topics this week. So as always, get your nicotine fix with

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why don't we just jump in and start talking about the stories this week? Obviously, the big one that we have to talk about, as the thumbnail suggests, there is no crying in the casino. So we're going to talk about the tariffs. Here we go. Take a look at this. This is a graph of the Chinese one.

So Liberation Day. I just love how. like that was the name that Trump had for it. You know, he's like, this is Liberation Day. Everyone on the White House lawn had the great big press conference about everything. And then just look at this graph. Here's your, a couple days after April 2nd, we're going over just about a week over to April 7th.

And this is when the famous fight to the end quote comes through that, you know, we're going to actually engage in this Chinese versus America trade war. And then the 50% tariffs were announced. Now they've actually crept up to 104% to 104%. tariffs and Chinese Yuan is having the worst day ever since the financial crisis in 2008. So, discuss

gentlemen. I just wish I could have got in there to short it. It could have been like the reverse George Soros. George Soros for good, right? I did manage to pack a pocket about $7,000 with various calls and puts on this. I think the

story arc was kind of obvious how it was going to I mean, and just like, like, Trump was going to propose it. I mean, people, I know academic agent calls it like copy or like coping about it, but it was kind of obvious he was going to the extreme, create shock, come back to the center, negotiate a deal, like he does literally every other issue. Although he did move a little bit faster because the bond market started sinking, but I think the timeline probably would have gone into next week originally. but the overall story arc was kind of like obvious.

All right, so, you know, well, apparently we have some familiarity here with like options trading and that sort of thing. Are you all familiar with, you're familiar with the Greeks? You know, like the alpha, beta, gamma, you know, the, it's the black skulls equation. So there's a derivation of another, of one of the Greeks. I can't remember which one is. It's called Vega, which is, and I, when I saw the, you see this is one of these things. things a lot of times markets are not as driven by new cycles as you think they are, and this is sort of my take on this one. One of the Greeks is Vega, which is actually it's a measure of your

exposure to volatility, which is like that chart you've got up there right now, that's a lot of volatility. There's lots of up and those are down, but there's a lot of ups and downs. One of the things that's really interesting, if you remember over the course of the last few years, really the last year or so, we've seen the Federal Reserve has been raising interest rates. and when Federal Reserve raises interest rates, it tends to, like, very large portfolios are going to tend to want to, they're going to tend to want to take on more treasuries, because, you know, if you can have 7%,

if you have 7% guaranteed versus, you know, maybe 8.5% exposed to downside in the S&P 500, a lot of times, I mean, even if you don't, you know, even if you don't, like, throw all the way towards that sort of, that sort of safer bet, you're going to start shifting towards that, a safer bet because why wouldn't you? So there's been a lot of that over the course of the last year or so. And I, like, one of the things that I saw in the market the other day

that, you know, everybody, there was a massive amount of treasuries that were being dumped. And like everybody, and that was really, I think that was what caused everybody to do the, you know, the panic. Oh, no, well, it's me. Here it comes. Here it comes. This is like, don't trust the plan anymore. One of the things that's interesting is I'm not sure how news driven that actually was.

I'm not even sure how tariff driven it actually was. one of the but one of the things that you do is whenever you start taking on a lot of treasuries, a lot of mortgage-backed securities, a lot of these sort of structured securities, you're actually taking on a position

that is implicitly short volatility. So like, you know, when you take away your ability, when you take away your ability to float up with volatility, you're essentially, you know, like if you were to,

you know, if you were to invest a lot in the S&P 500 or whatever, volatility is really interesting for you because you can float up as well as you can go down. But when you get into these structured assets, you're actually, you're implicitly short volatility, which means you've got a lot of money, you've got a lot of money locked up in places where it can't move no matter what the market does. So, and it's called, that's called Vega Exposures. It's a measure of your exposure is a measure of your exposure to volatility.

And so what you see a lot of times is that I think the only thing that the only thing that I really think Trump has done here, here is that his like he's kind of signaled that he's willing to throw the market around a lot and so it's not necessarily a strength or a weakness signal but all that offloading treasuries was a bunch of people dumping uh dumping safe secure you know uh structured assets and uh getting ready to sort of you know get long volatility which is going to be like you know yeah whatever the opposite of a strangle is I'm not that sophisticated but you know it's like one of these things was like any anytime you Anytime you're looking at the surface level news of the market, you're kind of like maybe like missing out on the second third order effects.

And a bunch of people that I know played like saw that depth. And I mean, I did too. I don't have a lot of money to play markets with or whatever. But when Bitcoin took that massive dive the other night, I made a long play. And it hit my target the next morning. And I was like, the hell, this is incredible. You know, it doesn't work out that well.

So yeah. So I think all of that treasury stuff, all that treasury stuff, I don't know how tariff-related it was. I think it's just, I think it was rebalancing portfolios to adjust Vega exposure is what I think was going on. So if you look at the overall trend, this is just returning to where it was in October before the election drama. It kind of feels like a bunch of people put money into the market when Donald Trump came in anticipating a jump and thereby creating a jump. And then it kind of stayed flat because it's like very early in his president. so then they took it out again out of fear of the tariffs and we're just back to where it was before Trump was elected. It's not actually showing any grand falling markets. It's just like,

oh, we're just back to the mean. Okay. I don't want to babble and bore the audience with econ stuff, but Sandy did a good review of it. Markets are my like second or third favorite thing in the world. I forget other people's eyes glaze over when we start talking about that sort of thing. It's like, You don't think Vega exposure is the coolest thing in the world? You said Greeks. I thought you were talking about like the people. No, not this time. It's like, yeah, man, I know what the Greeks are.

They're gay and they like to... Well... Not really. Well, I mean, one of the things I want to inject in this discussion about the whole tariff nonsense, aside from, you know, the basic bitch Democrat screaming about them, which we have a clip of that in a moment here. We're going to show just so we can laugh. but you know aside from everyone saying

oh tariffs are the worst thing in the world then the question comes up okay then why the fuck to lose every other country on the planet have them then aside from that what I want to say about this is this is all just like nonsense when you hear people screaming about like what the effects of this are going to be immediately

and it just seems like you know I'm a good friend Charlemagne has pointed this out on Twitter recently about the cult of like ass madness from everyone outside of America at this point you know just pontificating about what these tariffs mean and what they're actually going to do and stuff. It's like, dude, it's been 24 hours, man.

Like, anything that's going to happen with these tariffs stuff is going to take months down the road to see. And I'm really, I'm just sick and tired of people once again going through the old song and dance routine of the first Trump administration saying, oh, Donald Trump is just bumbling his way through everything. And just as a complete fucking idiot. It has no idea what's going on. It's just backwards somersaulting and triple flipperooing into situations that have been. official to him. I mean, like, I don't know what the long-term play is with this. I don't know what it's going to look like, but no, anyone who's telling you immediately that, oh, the tariffs are going to do this. This is just bullshit. My favorite one is, oh, go ahead. Yeah, I, my favorite part of this

whole thing is hearing the stories from people who, you know, work at big companies and they have these Slack channels and everything. And all of these boomers that voted for Trump are like, well, they want him dead now. And it's just like, do you understand the market? Do you understand that it's going to go down? Do you understand that if it goes to ever, if you would have bought every time it went down 20% in the history of the market, you would have, you would have made bank. these people,

I just can't fucking stand them. There's also this question. It's like, what are you doing at age 65 with 80% of your retirement portfolio and risk assets anyway? Like, what did you not read the fine print here? I hear Panda Express

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are you fucking people retarded and people are literally retarded that is that is crazy yeah um there seems to be a a lack in that culture of wanting to in that generation's culture of wanting to take care of your kids

I guess and I know that's talked about quite a bit but it's it's an outlier from past generations The other wild thing about this too is that I see this every day in my tax practice man all the time. People come in. They take distributions from whether it's brokerage accounts or IRAs or 401Ks, whatever it is. And they are shocked and look at you like you have three heads when they come into the office and they realize they have to pay taxes on this stuff at the end of the year. So it's like, what the hell are you talking about when you take an early distribution from these markets or something like that?

and you have to come in, you have to pay 20, 30% tax on it. It's like, what are you stupid? Like, you have to let the stuff sit. You can't just go in and, like, take it out all of a sudden. You know, we've got to remove it from the market because it's too volatile. It's like, dude, you've got to pay taxes on that shit. Yeah, what's my office. What's really interesting, too, is like, because I've done this before, I've dumped a 401K.

You have to click through, like, three menus in whoever the, whatever the brokerage account is. You have to, like, click through three menus that warn you that you're going to have to pay taxes on this immediately. Like, you know, you have to click yes three times. Yes, I really want to do this. Oh, man. What did they think it was for if they didn't have to pay taxes for it early? They, like, just didn't understand what a 401K was?

No, none of them do. That's so crazy. Well, yeah, I mean, it literally is just how most people treat this market discussion. You see this on Twitter. You see this, and it's not just old people that do this, too, just to throw boomers a little boom a bone here. But it's totally everyone just thinks it's the magic slot machine. It's just like, oh, money just magically goes up.

I'm just going to put money into the magic gambling machine, and I'm going to cash it out in 20 years. And because I gambled on this, it's just like at the casino or something, right? I don't have to buy taxes on this. No, dude. And they charge you a lot, especially depending on how long that money's been sitting for. But you know what? On the tariff thing, you say we can't tell what the immediate first order.

We can't tell so soon what the effects of tariffs are going to be. And we were talking about this on John D's space last night. or a couple of nights ago. And some of the euros, especially in some of the smarmy or Americans, some of the Europhile Americans that you see in, like, the media and whatever, that cheese comment is the one I'm thinking of. And they're talking about, yeah, Americans will have to eat their own cheese now, and, you know, they're going to crack first or whatever.

And, like, that's, like, one of the few things that I've been willing to say is the actual, is going to be the effect of any sort of prolonged tariff situation, is that these are the big winners here are actually. actually American purveyors of these like sort of higher-end products that are normally offloaded from Europe. We've done this nine or, we haven't done this nine or ten times. We've done this two or three times in my lifetime. And like whenever, you know, I've been old enough to drink. I've been old enough to like no cheese and wine and that sort of thing for about 15 years now.

And this is, I think the third time this has happened. And every time this happens, that is actually exactly like the effect that is intended that the euros are anticipating is exactly the opposite of what happens. actually American wine producers, American cheese producers, American. We didn't even have like knockoff Iberico ham producers here now. Those are, they're actually always the winners. And because one of the things that happens is that like the market, it's like, oh, there's a place in New Orleans is really famous for serving a cocktail called French 75, which uses champagne. And if champagne goes up 20%, they will immediately shift over to using California sparkling wine. and one of the things that does is that gives the California sparkling wine industry enough room to scale.

And when they scale, their product gets cheaper and their product also gets better. So, I mean, ironically, the thing that euros tend to think is going to cause us to crack actually is, to my mind, it's almost always the proof that these protective tariffs actually work. It's like, oh, that's actually what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to drive revenue towards, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, American analog. That's what that's like the original purpose of like the American tariff. We devise the tariff originally to protect our fledgling sort of manufacturing industry in the Northeast and it works then and it'll work now too. So like you be careful whenever you,

be careful when you start thinking about oh, we're going to crack over like, like, like, Gouda or something like that. Now it doesn't work that way. We just start making Gouda in Texas. And we make great cheese here in Vermont and Wisconsin and a bunch of other places. Like I love American cheese. I like cheese from elsewhere too, but... We have a strategic cheese reserve in this country. We're fine. Yeah. But the thing that gets me is that like, people try to overcomplicate this, but it's, to me, at the base level, it's very simple. We spend more money overseas than we have coming from overseas. So that means that our money is slowly going away from our country

while we have a deficit, and the eventual result of that without some sort of massive, continued rise in GDP, is bankruptcy. So, like, it's a problem for anybody. I don't know why this, I mean, besides the fact that it's just Trump, and that's the only reason, I don't know why this is so controversial. Oh, yeah, there's definitely a lot of America derangement syndrome in Orange Man Bad, making its return once again, not just from the left this time, but that's a topic for another day. I do have to laugh how on the left side of things,

the same people that are cheering on the death of the United Healthcare CEO a couple of weeks ago are now defending large corporations stock portfolios from dropping like 2% in a week. It says, that's not going. No, no, I was about to bring up this photo or this video next of Democrats seething. But continue, cringy. I was going to say, you know, it kind of reveals that the left doesn't actually have

at least at this point the left the former what we shall call the ancient regime it doesn't actually have morals or ethics or goals it just whatever will acquire it more power or destroy its enemies is what it believes in

even if it's like destructive to itself and like they'll believe one thing one week and next week if the stocks go up they'll call the billionaires evil it's like it's nonsense It's not worth wasting time engaging them. Well, let's listen to the excellent expert analysis of Chris Matthews on MSNBC. Let's listen to this guy.

I watched on the evening news last night, one of the other networks, and I watched the issue of lumber. Now, you see, we get so much of our lumber, our two-by-fours, from Canada. What's where we get it from? Canada, we get our newsprint from up there for newspapers. The fact is we get it, what are we going to do to have more lumber made in the United States now? What is our plan now? Oh, we're not going to import wood, so we're going to make more wood?

We're going to create more wood. Is that it? I don't think we are in a position to simply replicate the imports coming into this country with our own products. They can't always be done. And I think a wood's example of that, wood, are we going to make more wood in this country because of our trade deal? I don't think so. What? Why didn't he use a better example?

Obviously, we can make more wood. We have so many forests. That's so stupid. Scholar, what are you thinking? Do you think wood grows on trees? Yeah, this is one of the dumbest. This is one of the things that amazes, he's almost as bad as Jim Kramer

in the sense that he can choose the worst possible examples. So, you know, I was talking about this a little bit before we went on the air. We had actually had a softwood lumber dispute running with Canada since 1982. It's actually one of the longest running trade disputes in, you know, in the United States. And, you know, you actually saw this during the pandemic a little bit, but, like, one of the things is that not only can we, not only can we

produce more softwood lumber, and softwood lumber is the one that they were talking about. Softwood lumber is, it's, you know, on CBO, it's going to be traded as dimensional lumber. In the United States, it's usually segmented into the Pacific Northwest lumber industry and the American Southeast lumber industry. And in the northwest, it's going to be Douglas fir, and maybe one or two other things. And in the South, it's almost entirely a crop or a tree that's called yellow pine, which is going to be one of three species of pine. And if you've ever driven through the American South,

you notice it's absolutely covered in pine, and it's not even wild pine anymore. It's cultivated pine. It stands in these perfect little rows. They use slash pine for pulp wood. then they use what's called a lob lollipine for dimensional lumber. We have actually had, like we actually are so capable of producing more and more of it that we have, we actually have huge stocks of it that are past their harvest date

because the Canadians have been flooding the United States with cheap softwood lumber for so long that it has been, that it's been cheaper to just let it grow and not even bother to cut it. So yeah, price of lumber goes up, but there's a ceiling at which all of that American, all of that American softwood lumber that's just like sitting around rotting in the American Southeast becomes profitable again and then, you know, it starts, we just start harvesting it and

like the price doesn't go up anymore. I don't know what the hell he's talking about. I also have to laugh about how he's super concerned about the newspaper business. Yeah, exactly. The fucking boomer. Newsprint. Probably remembers when they invented newspaper.

I mean, are we, making, are we making wood? Did anybody catch that? I mean, they're literally retarded. Can we just make more wood? Yes, we can. I look out the window and there's pines everywhere. I live a freaking Alabama. I don't think those are indigenous

here. They're just fucking everywhere. No, they are indigenous, but they have been clear cut three times. So it's like the ones in Alabama is like, Alabama is Alabama is, Alabama is, Alabama and Mississippi are pretty much the epicenter of that phenomenon that I just described. But yeah, I mean, you're looking at it. They're engineered, actually. They're engineered to produce better lumber.

That's why it's why those pine trees, you know, they shoot straight up and they don't seem to branch out. That's like, that's, it's an engineered varietal that grows, it really grows too fast, but it grows fast and it doesn't branch out and it doesn't produce many knots. It's optimized for softwood lumber, actually. I mean. And they optimize them for no pollen? Southern New England. Southern New England was deforested before the first white man stepped foot in Alabama.

I just want to be clear here. Oh, yeah. Have you ever read that book? Oh, God. William Cronin's book. It's changes in the land. I don't think so. Yeah, yeah.

He was a book that was written in the 1980s and it was about how a lot of the ecological changes that get blamed on the white man were actually done. by like natives for instance the way they would do agriculture is that would just clear cut like a whole area they would just burn it all out and then... It's the same thing with the bison herds you know, it's like when you look at the numbers

from when the Spanish arrived with the horses there's something around 80 to 100 million and by the time the market hunters got there in the 1850s around like 10 million left so it's like oh okay so 90 fucking percent of these things were killed by engines on horseback? No no no that's not what happened Well, number one, the Native Americans in the Central U.S., they absolutely did kill with kill pits.

They ran Stampeding Bison into pits where tens of thousands of them died, and those have been documented in archaeology. But the reason, like, in the 1600s, in the late 1500s, like, because of the diseases spread to Native Americans in the entire of the Americas, it was like 80 to 90% of the population died in that time. period over a period of a few generations. The prey populations, they completely skyrocketed. So there are descriptions from the early 1600s when the pilgrims got here in New England of the skies being completely blotted out by birds. And like they would shoot a blunderbuss up and birds would fall from the sky like rain. Like it was, and that's because of a complete ecological disaster.

Yeah, they still had that on the East Coast up until the early 20. 20th century with things like passenger pigeons and stuff. They were just blot out the sky. It was a little bit worse back then. Like it wasn't just birds. It was like the fish. And like the fish just flowed in the water like they were. I mean, these are descriptions from the 1600s.

But it was complete like destruction ecologically because of the loss of human population. Well, as much as that is very interesting to talk about, turning it back to No, no, it's all good. I mean, one of the things that we can absolutely solve the issue of things increasing is if we just got rid of more people in this country. And this is the next topic that we're going to get back to. Once again, is ignore all the tariff stuff because we're not going to know the results of this for several months. The thing that everyone must be focusing on, as always, is immigration, immigration, immigration. And here's something that we have.

Once again, we're going to bring up this topic. So the Department of Homeland Security has announced that, you know, we've been talking about this for a while, that self-deportations are going to have to be the way that a lot of this is addressed, not just actual physical mass deportations, even though we're getting started on that, right? So, well, here's to start with the international students talking. So from March 2024 to March 2025, the U.S. lost over 130 international students. Indian students declined by over 27 percent. Master students declined by over 20%. Institutions will lose up to $4 billion. Yeah, boo-hoo.

Who cares? So international students, they're on their way out. That's a good start. Never get tired of that clip. You know, that's actually the segment. I mean, of course, there's plenty of people covering the illegal Mexican, illegal Latin American migration beat and that sort of thing. But these are actually the ones that trouble me more.

and like it's actually and you know there's a lot of complaining going on and you know there's not enough deportations out of Home Depot and that sort of thing those are actually concerned me as much you know when we talk about this we're always talking about what I call third wave immigration which is like whenever I like

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And then everything from, well, really, you know, I guess you could actually move first wave all the way up to the 1890s, the second wave of German immigration up to about 1965 is whatever we call the second wave immigration. Third wave immigration is mostly Latin American, but it is also this other sort of, this more troublesome grab bag of really just like immigrants that we just let in because they were like Soviet dissidents

or something like that. We just started to assume that anybody who opposes the Soviet Union is a friend of the United States. We let them in. These are the ones that concern me a lot more because they do exactly this. they come and they take up slots in our better universities they you know they become like sort of the model minorities and they like you know they make like you know like indian bronzen or whatever

they enter these jobs so they make like 250,000 dollars a year or something like that and like at the end of the day and you know I find that sort of immigration more destructive even than the Mexican immigration because every one of them that comes into the country is usually let's face it who are they denying they're denying younger how almost always the person than ends up getting denied a slot in Georgetown or Harvard or something like that for these people, is it's going to be a relatively high-performing, like, dude in Iowa, who is on the football team, the lacrosse team, and the quiz bowl team, and, you know, gets denied all from every Ivy League school or something like that.

So that's right. You know, one way to look at that, that's 130,000 slots in America's elite universities that opens up. And if you're, like, a sort of class-based or, like, you know, an elite theory analyst or something like that. This should actually make you much happier than, uh, than, you know, an outpouring of Mexicans back into Latin America or something like that. This is actually, this is actually the good stuff. Well, I think, um, I think we're, we're at the point where if they can't just concentrate on the, oh, we need to get the most dangerous out of here. Oh, we need to get this and

that. And it's on us now. You know, a friend of mine saw a Haitian locally in like a parts store. And the first thing he thought was, as soon as that person left, the first thing he did was ask, well, do you know where they live? Call ice. Like, if you see someone and you're like, well, obviously they're illegal, they shouldn't be here. Call ice. Just do it.

Dude, I actually did it the other day. I like, there were some, yes, there were some people. I was just in a really bad mood, and I have to admit, I felt bad about it. But there were some, there were some, some laborers working on the house across the street from mine, and I noticed that they just weren't doing anything. All they were just standing in the road, kind of looking menacing, and they were on the clock. I called ice. It came out.

I haven't seen him since then. We can help. We're a part of this. I mean, just, just fucking do it. I was talking to someone the other day who, um, they called, they called ICE on their own work site. Oh, amazing. Wow.

That's just, forget awesome. Yeah, I'm doing my part, you know? Exactly. Um, I mean, one thing I'll say about this international student stuff is, um, I was at a, for my high school, uh, it also doubled a supporting school. right and we had a huge influx of international Chinese students at this school right and this is no secret to anybody we've been knowing this stuff for a long time the rampant cheating that occurs in all of these groups and they were just blatantly obvious about it every one of these students would feign ignorance about like speaking English right even though like obviously they knew enough to get by in the school right but if a teacher would basically let them get away with it they were bringing translators into the class when they were taking their tests and of course they were hooked up to the internet so they could do whatever they wanted with them right so and And they'd always, like, sit together in their study groups or what have you and just, like, copy each other's notes and tests and just blatantly cheat all the damn time. So, I mean, we're not gaining anything by having these people here.

Sandbatch has already talked about them stealing opportunities from actual heritage Americans. But the argument of, you know, this is one of the things that you see, like, a bunch of people who hold up, like, economics as their God. A lot of libertarians talk this way, right? It's like, well, Indian and Chinese Americans, they actually do the best economically of all groups. We're going to get more, talking more about Indians in a minute here. But it's like I question the alleged, you know, high performing, you know, stats of all these different groups. Now, it seems to me there's a lot of make work fake jobs, no different than a lot of the fake jobs that we see women walking around with as well. You know, like, oh, so I went into the office today and I sat down on my desk, and I talked for five minutes, I sent 10 emails, and then I made $200,000 and yada, yada, yada.

I suspect there's also a huge influx of jobs to go to these people as well. I'm not buying that when you look at a country like India that has problems with human shit in the street, that somehow everybody here is just a technological genius and is adding so much to the American economy. No, I mean, you're exactly right. In fact, there are a whole, because, you know, these things work in, you know, the venture capital ecosystem and there's that sort of thing. You'll, if you, you know, there's plenty of venture capital sorts that follow me on, that follow me on Twitter because I do like, I do enough AI stuff to make myself interesting to them. And one of the things I notice is that sometimes I'll get followed by like Silicon Valley types or whatever and they'll just have like in their bio, they'll have very obviously like sort of Patel Mafia sort of things. And like that's what they're doing. They're in the United States as venture capitalists. Employers rewarding your staff. Why choose between a shop voucher or a spend anywhere card when with options card you can have both. With options card, your team gets the best of both worlds. They can spend with Ireland's favorite retailers or choose a spend anywhere card. It's simple to buy and easy to manage.

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is they're extracting, you know, people are going to these Ivy League schools or whatever and they're extracting, you know, they're extracting like maybe lower grade talent, but they're getting it at, you know, all of their transactions are occurring much cheaper than normal American transactions were.

And then they go out to San Francisco and they live in a, they live in communal housing. And if you do this now, you can go on Craigslist in San Francisco and you just look at the number of entries that request specifically, if not racial Indians or some sort of ethnic, there'll be some ethnic marker in the Craigslist ad or something like that. That's actually the pipeline that's being used here to infiltrate

like sort of America's tech industry, America's elite university system. they're like, they're like doubling, tripling down because, you know, they'll live in some of the most horrid conditions imaginable. But that's exactly how they're undercutting us. And I didn't know this number was this high. I'm actually the first time I'm really proud of the Trump administration for attacking the problem exactly where it is. That's a really, that's a, that's a white pill for me, which is rare. You know, to circle things back to the previous topic we were talking about. So I was fighting with leftists that got in my.

mentions last week on Twitter because I was talking about, you know, issues with, you know, as a really, so the discussion about the tariffs, right? It's like, oh, like the boomers are screaming about, you know, the 401ks and millennials are like, I'd like to own a home. What's a stock? And everyone was just bitching about, you know, oh, well, if you do tariffs and the housing prices are going to go up. And I'm saying, well, if you actually go through with mass deportations and get rid of

people, housing prices are going to go down. And they're like, oh, well, how's that going to work? Do you think that immigrants are actually in, like, higher-end houses in the country. It's like, well, there's certainly not living in fucking holes in the ground, right? So they're living somewhere, and it doesn't even need to be that you're living in some high-end house, right? It's just by the virtue of these human beings being in this country, they're taking up space, they're taking up rooms and apartments, which are, you know, the artificial price of rent is increasing so people can't, is easily saved to actually buy

some of these homes. So, like, there's just no reason for any of these people to be here, whether they're getting in the high-end houses or they're living in apartments or living in, you know, shacks with 15 people inside them. It doesn't matter. We gain nothing by having these people here, and housing prices will decrease if you just get rid of the demand for the housing. Simple supply and demand. All right. So...

Might be worth bringing up... Where's our remittance? Oh, sorry, no. We'll still talk about the... I was going to bring up remittance tax, but I think I just got back my... I was away for a second. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, James Kirkpatrick

still every day is tweeting about this, and I give them credit for it because it's 100% correct. It needs to be done. And yeah, I know I probably mention this every stream, but you have to remember that these big companies are not your friend and try to buy as local as you can. Walmart doesn't want immigration to go down. Costco doesn't want, you know, Publix doesn't want immigration to go down. That's more customers for them.

And the more money that's printed and just given to them, that's more money that they're making. want these people here. So these people aren't your friends and try to do everything as local as possible. Oh yeah. I mean, I've talked about this before on my tax streams with my buddy Chad Elkins. Speaking of which, everyone go over to the April 15th party stream next week. That'll be a fun time. But there's an option at the tax service that I work for in every tax return has options. Like, do you consent to give our, like, information overseas to a call center in case there's an issue with return? And I just automatically click no on every single one of these.

There's, like, internal memos from the company trying to say, oh, well, this is how you can word this properly. So the client is concerned about their sense of information going overseas. It's like, fuck you. I'm not sending anyone's personal, like, social security number information over to a call center in India. I don't fucking care what you say. There's no way that's ever safe. Like, fuck these big companies, man. So, anyway.

So we're talking about the high end. We'll call it quote unquote legal immigration here. And I'll say one more thing about this. If anyone's ever played a game of civilization, you just know you'd never share your tech with anybody. You know, it's like the one way to ensure that you win this game. And here we are just allowing foreign nationals to come on over here. No doubt many of these people end up becoming spies,

especially the Chinese variety, you know, stealing our tech. We already shouldn't have any of these people here to begin with. This is just a dumb idea right at the start. So it's very nice to see these people are leaving in droves and fucking these universities are going to lose a couple billion dollars as a result. Moving on, though. The number that I saw was

250,000 Chinese students, Chinese nationals in our universities. I heard that number recently, and you know, Martin Armstrong has been talking about war around the globe that he sees coming. And some people are

saying that we're there's going to be a standoff with China at some point and you know hopefully it's not something that goes hot but you know I think it would be something that would happen on the seas 200 they have a 250,000 person army here and no one wants to talk

about that yeah we've talked previously on the show about states like um I believe it was Arkansas with Sarah Huckabee Sanders um we're making gains to actually confiscate um land that's own by Chinese companies on American soil. It's like, no, you can't just own

tens, dozens, hundreds of acres in the middle of the United States. Like, you know, the land's being taken from you. So, you know, I spent a lot of time, in the last couple of years, I've spent a lot of time in Arkansas. And one of the things, because it's always a personal interest in mind, what American city would be really well primed if, like, say, a bunch of people wanted to go make an American city cool?

You know? And I had, you know, I was actually working on a project with, you know, like, sort of maybe sort of like building a graph. Actually, I don't want to get too into the specifics of it because I may still do it. But Little Rock actually is the city that I had identified as one of the best candidates. And whenever I started spending a lot of time there, I noticed some really unusual things, which is because, you know,

I started tracking the real estate market there. And in this is like right around the corner from Sarah Whitockobey Sanders. She was the governor of Arkansas, wasn't she? I think she was. Something like that. I don't know. No, Huckabee. Both of them were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is, yeah, she was like, she was like, most of the time, I was staying in the neighborhood. I was like literally two blocks from the governor's mansion.

I was tracking real estate in this neighborhood. It's this very old neighborhood full of these wonderful Victorian houses that you could get for like 250 grand. And I would see block transactions, like block sized real estate transactions of like, they would almost always be Saudi Arabian investors or Chinese investors or something like that just buying up huge chunks of Little Rock because they were seeing the same data that I was that this is a very

this is a good value market to invest in so Arkansas is a place that's had a lot of problems with that and it's probably why she's like you know sort of been very aggressive about attacking it but you see that all the time and I'm like I'm like why do we let these people own property all in the United States like why is

that even a thing yeah bad idea from the start We went to a Baptist church in Auburn before we moved, and they had a Chinese Bible study meeting there. And when the Baptist Church decided that they wanted to move to a bigger place, they sold it to the Chinese Bible study. And I'm like, okay, how does a Chinese Bible study have the money to buy a building? No, China just bought that.

also I think no religious institution in China can buy things without government permission so it had to go through the government yeah fucking ridiculous I just I just wanted to point out that like that we don't have to engage the mainland China Chinese at all we can just kick them out of here and like take back the land yeah take back the ocean too China's military is primarily designed on a fortified continent strategy or

dogma so like as long as we don't enter an Asian land war we're fine they're not going to invade us they will take Taiwan though yeah but you know oh well and that and let me tell you something I've been hearing things through the grapevine from people who would know these things

they're predicting by the end of the year there's going to be something's going to happen with Taiwan maybe China decides anything that goes through Taiwan is going to have to go through China first. And with everything that's going on with this tariff thing and this war, that's what could lead us into, I'm not saying a hot war, but I'm talking about something where you may see vessels deployed kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, I can tell you what's going to happen. They're going to blockade Taiwan, not invaded. and essentially block the trade into Taiwan

and unless Taiwan somehow negotiate a treaty with China, they're just going to blockade Taiwan. It's going to be like basically forcing them to comply. You never have to invade Taiwan. I mean, they have it a political clout in there that you can politically take it over and like just 30% of the voter.

But you might see like an attempted democracy with like a fault, like what Russia did in Crimea with the fake vote, although maybe that vote was real. honestly. So they'll blockade Taiwan later this year when the environment is allowable and there's no storms. We'll have a couple of months of cut off computer chips.

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So just saying might be an opportune moment to buy some, if you know computer chips are going to go up in price, some stock options there six to eight months ahead. Hashtag that financial advice. Nothing I say. And this isn't financial advice either, but if something like that's going to happen, oil as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And nothing I say is financial advice.

It's just pure speculation. You can just not believe me. But no, that's what's going to happen. They're going to enforce the value of, they're going to integrate Taiwan partially or fully, depending on the deal they make, and we'll have to pay higher prices on computer chips until we move manufacturing here, which is why we should start it now before that happens, because they're going to do that within probably the next 18 months. and maybe Taiwan's never actually formally admitted into Taiwan, but China will take over their international trade routes.

Yeah, they've been improving their Navy for several years, and it will continue to improve while ours declines relative to us. And frankly, our largest military strength for projecting power overseas is our Navy, and that will not always be true. I just want all of their fishing fleets to be destroyed on the Pacific. We could turn them to artificial reefs to make up for every last living creature the Chinaman wants to steal from the ocean. They're kind of just trawling the bottom of the ocean with these massive things

that are just killing everything. Yep. And they'll eat everything too, which I should tell you something about those people. But, well, to quote Vassini, never get involved in a land war in Asia. That's all I have to say about that one. But so speaking of getting rid of, let's call them quote unquote, legal immigrants. Let's talk about the illegal variety as well. So Department of Homeland Security is making an announcement on what they're going to do

to incentivize more people leaving the country of their own volition by property confiscation and fines. So here we go right here. So 1324D civil penalties for failure to depart. This is in reference to the. million plus people that Trump administration knows they are here because they downloaded the immigration app that the Biden administration

had a bunch of people download. So it's like, oh, well, uh-huh, we know where you are. All right, here we go, but it's section A, the start in general. Any alien subject to a final order of removal who, one, willfully fails or refuses to,

A, depart from the United States pursuant to the order, B, make timely application in good faith or travel or for travel or other documents necessary for departure or see present for removal at the time in place required by the attorney general or conspires to takes any action designed to prevent or hamper the alien's departure pursuant to the order shall pay a civil penalty of not more than $500 to the commissioner for each day the alien is in violation of the section nothing in this sections they'll be

blah blah blah yeah so they're going to start finding people if they don't self-deport and then there is a later talks in this that this could even result in confiscation of property you might

is this against illegals or or Chinese this is in reference to like illegals at the southern border yeah did you see what Stephen Miller was saying

earlier today I did not see today no what do you say he he's pushing that now I will say this is a dangerous gambit I'm not totally on board with this but he was pushing for mandatory registration of illegal statutes uh to like put you on the books that you exist and count you uh his goal is to say um well once you're on the books as illegal we can arrest you and deport you uh I think what he he really wants to do is to get like his long-term goal is probably to get some documentation and records so they can like put eyes on these people, see what kind of social security numbers they've stolen or been given by Democrats, see if they voted, it's, you know, et cetera, et cetera, get their

addresses down. But of course, later on down the road, if 2026 or 2028 doesn't go well, this initiative could be used against us and like kind of legitimize the illegal immigrants. Because once you've written them down, you can give them citizenship in bulk. the Democrats have never formally documented the illegals because it's like kind of like shady business but once they're all written down you can start doing things in bulk it's kind of like a little bit of a biblical caution what you know the one of the dangers of doing censuses is that automates a lot of things that uh you know once you go from shady business to official business you can really fuck over this country so stephen miller is doing a little bit of a

dangerous gambit with with this push to um officially like require you to document as an illegal immigrant. But also, if they don't register as a legal immigrant, then now you're officially avoiding government required documents. You've broken actual crime on the books, and we can deport you. Well, we have another... Yeah, yeah. Well, there's certainly that. I mean, the other topic that's attached to this as well is that the third IRS head in the last several months is going to resign here in a minute. This is in reference to Department of Homeland Security and Doge getting their hands on, you know, what they say is illegal immigrants tax records.

So we'll see what that's all about. Yeah. I know. Hopefully, I mean, you know, they've been making announcements about all these social security numbers that just appeared out of thin air during the Biden administration, which is very irregular because we didn't have that many new births in the United States during that time. So, yeah, it was kind of obvious.

It was kind of obvious all these people that are like, you know, 90 and above, almost all of them were like, you know, the person died and they gave the number to an illegal. Oh, yeah. No, no doubt that's been happening. I thought they were also legitimately giving non-citizens social security numbers, just like they were. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were totally doing that, too. I mean, it's the same process they were doing to give people driver's licenses as well.

We talked about this last week with the trucking industry about how they've been, I'm faking commercial driver. licenses and the truckers unions are defending people for it because, you know, it's more people for the union, right? Yeah, yeah. These institutions are no longer, I mean, they argue for themselves. They make it, they work for themselves, but that's to the detriment of the American people. And there's a lot of that going on. Oh, yeah, for sure.

So, I mean, we're talking about the remittance tax. We're talking about self-deportations. I mean, one thing that we do have to credit the, Trump administration, you know, at the start of it. I mean, everybody here is definitely not satisfied with the number of deportations that have happened thus far. They absolutely need to increase. But one thing we can give the credit to the Trump administration is that illegal crossings at the southern border are down 99%. It really does seem that they've at least stopped the bleeding of people coming into the country. Now we just need to deal with getting literally

everybody out who doesn't belong here. But at least we're not continually flooding new people in. also one of the things that has not really been reported in american media that much although i think academic agent brought it up um people have been getting asked interesting questions when they re-enter the country even if they're legal status um like hey what did you post about i mean obviously it's it's it's framed as like like you said something better about israel why why why did you do that kind of like scaremongering a little bit um i just came back Are you talking about legal citizens? That too, apparently, yeah.

I mean, I just came back into the country, and if you would have thought they would ask anybody that, that would be me. Well, yeah, as far as I can tell, they were only doing it to legal residents. I'm not sure about citizens yet, but people I know in the city have been telling me how, like, I mean, like, a lot of liberals here, and the liberals were saying,

oh, my family member was asked XYZ about Israel for some reason coming into the country, which I didn't, On one hand, I'm kind of upset that they're prioritizing a foreign country, obviously. This is stupid. But on the other hand, using the gambit of insulting Israel to deport someone as kind of like a clever ploy. I don't know. I have mixed feelings about that.

I certainly don't like it, but I want less people in my country. So, I mean, like, I'll take it. I won't be happy about it. But I'm not going to say no to deporting people. But they can't ask them about being anti-American. It has to be anti-Israel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of insane. It's kind of like revealing yourself too much to be a colonial administration government to some degree.

I think it's going to backfire if they keep doing this. But I've heard this at least like four or five times now from different people that like with a relative who's a legal resident, not a citizen, was asked about social media posts about Israel. Like, you know, and they're left wing. So they're pretty like pro-Palestine. I mean, I hate talking about this fucking country. I'm talking about that certain group, but I will say this. There were new stories that came out of this week of polls in the United States, and the first time since these polls were recorded, there is an average American opinion that is negative towards Israel as opposed to positive. I mean, like, the cat's out of the bag at this point.

I mean, 20% of Gen Z questions the big H word. I'm not good. That's a real stat. I wrote a few months. I wrote a few months ago about just the numerical reality. Like the average age of the boomer is about, and I think in like 18 months, the average age of a boomer will equal the average age of death in the United States,

which means that the boomer population can only go down from like 18 months for now forward, which means less and less support for Israel, basically. Like it's only downroad for them from here and out, and pretty soon they're just going to have to compete like any other foreign group because people are just done with this shit. From the river to the sea, Israel backstab me. That was pretty good. That was pretty good.

But you know, like one of the things about that Zoomer number, there is, you know, there are good things and bad things about a post-literate society. But like one of the things that's going on there with the Zoomers is that they're just too illiterate to understand, to actually even cogetate those books that were used as, Holocaust propaganda. So like there's just not like Schindler's list, night

whatever that journal is, or that woman wrote. They're reading it and they're just going, it's like floating past their eyes and then they're just thinking about this and they're like, six million people, that doesn't sound right to me. And that's literally the basis of it. It's like one of those things is like, oh,

okay, yeah. One of the, one of the plus sides to a post-literate society is the propaganda doesn't work anymore. I wonder if they can do Schindler's list in like a TikTok dance. Oh, man. That's actually a really good point because

like 20 to 30 years ago, you could have sophisticated propaganda that wasn't obvious. But when your average citizen can't read above a sixth grade level, your propaganda has to get dumber and it becomes more obvious. Right, yeah. If we try to reduce this story to like one that's digestible on like a 30 second attention span, it becomes ludicrous.

It either becomes ludicrous or you start to wonder why you're being told about it. It's like one of the two things and neither produce good outcomes for the, you know, that the originator wanted. Well, there was one more thing I wanted to mention about the deportation stuff. We can come back to that a moment because this is relevant right now since we're talking about the certain country once again. But Netanyahu was over here. And aside from meeting with your top conservative commentators like Dave Rubin, perhaps he was asking Netanyahu to smuggle him another small boy or something like that. And Tim Poole was back there as well, maybe putting a Kippa under his beanie. Who knows what was going on with that?

I can't believe I didn't get invited. Did you hear Tim Poole? Not that I'm going to believe anything Tim Poole says, but Tim Poole says there was like an actual meeting with social media influencers where like the Israel representatives basically gave marching orders to them I mean

if I'm going to give marching orders Tim Pool I know is the one that's going to fall online so on the subject of Tim Pool didn't he just today didn't he just like come out in solidarity with that sort of future doctor or astronaut that stabbed that kid in the face up in

he did yeah he's like what do you again what are you against self-defense for I was like oh my God I hope that knock finds you, Tim Poole. I'm going to eat your livery, Tim Poole. It's the love. My response is. You know what's funny? I was invited on Tim Poole in 2021, and I went, and it's gotten so, everything's turned so

on its head that the person who invited me on, has, like, blocked me on Twitter. I mean, that's just, yeah. That's just the way the way it is. Is that that that lady, that woman that you should be on there? Sour Patch Lids. Yeah,

she's the biggest fucking Zionist now. I mean, she like, she cucks for everything. I thought she, like, had an affair with her husband with Tim Poole or something,

too. I think what's going on. I mean, geez. Please say allegedly. Well, you know, I don't, like,

I need to, dude, dude, dude, I don't, this is what he says, things where my ignorance of Judaism comes off as serious anti-Semitism. But they don't really think of marriage the same way we do. It's like a contract and you live together. There's no like sacramental asses.

Well, I mean, they're a religion of loopholes, Sam Batch. Someone makes you think they'd hold a marriage contract. Right, exactly. A degree of seriousness. So, I don't know. I've never heard that and I'm from the Northeast. I know a bunch of dudes. Chicken did it.

Yeah, it was, you know. It's just a culture of trickster. I mean, that's pretty much what it is. Well, let's listen to the trickster in chief over here and talking to Donald Trump. Mind you, this was the guy who betrayed Donald first during the 2020 election. Carry on. When where? Well, we're talking about a whole new trade.

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and the, I think, $4 or $5 billion, is basically a bribe that they don't go to war against each other. That's literally why that money will never, ever stop. It's a bribe so that they don't go to war against each other. there was something that he said

Also what do they Also what is Israel export Besides pharmaceuticals and dysgenic freaks Porn Yeah Olive's maybe probably I don't know I was supposed to pick a bad answer

They export They export They well there's sort of a throughput engine for White women from the United States That want to do a semester of broad come back and act like they've done something incredibly sophisticated. That's the other

purposes. I mean, their number one export is Palestinians apparently. So. Oh, yeah. I hate that, because I was fighting with someone on Twitter, which I gotta stop doing. It's a waste of time. But they're like, oh, Israel's the front line against Islamic terrorism. I'm like, front line or open gate, man.

Yeah, really? My brother in Christ, why does Islamic terrorism, isn't exist and it's quite literally the existence of this state Israel, you know. Yeah, really? So why does ISIS send a rocket into Israel and then like apologize, like send the representatives to go on Israeli radio to apologize? Yeah, that was weird.

A little bit more than weird. Also, Israel invented like modern terrorism. Everybody, like, we know that, right? Oh, yes. Absolutely. I mean, like, America didn't have any influence even remotely on this part of the world since the Jefferson administration when we declared war on the Corsairs for like five minutes. I mean, like, oh, yeah, and then this is a great front line for American foreign policy. It's like, dude, we've only had interest in this area since like the 1990s.

Like, fuck this, man. And it's only because this country's there. Yeah. Uh-huh. I really got to defend. You want to know a crazy fact about that, about Israel? Do you know what the average IQ in Israel is? It's pretty low, isn't it?

Like 90 or something like that. They got a lot of Palestinians. Yeah, it's 92. No, no, I'm talking about among the Jewish population. Oh, right. It's 90s. It's the Mishahean. It's the Mizrahi, too.

Yeah, they have a lot of, like, they got a lot of, like, religious sex within breeding problems, and, you know, you can only do that for so long. Yeah. That's the, it's also true of, like, the super Orthodox Jews in New York. They have a lot of inbreeding issues. Also, the Amish. That's why they got to dig those tunnels to keep, like, sloth and the goonies. I got to keep, like, the inbred guys down there.

Shabodnik, Stettlebillies. This is the worst. When I come on this show, I'm worse than I am anywhere else. I would stop talking. We're getting worse. Well, so I guess there's talks about, you know, potentially not sending much money to Israel. And that'd be nice. We'll see what happens.

I mean, they already cut their tariffs that they have on American goods. So, I mean, you know, the thing about this is that the country to me that makes the most sense for us to subsidize, if we're going to subsidize anything, is Egypt.

Like, Egypt seems like, like, like, whenever I, like, do my, like,

mental calculation or everything, I'm like, we, Egypt seems like the country over there that's got the, it's got the highest potential for return on value. I mean, they control the canal, right?

Right. Yeah, exactly. There's all kinds, there's all kinds of positive. in Egypt that nobody ever investigates. Do you know, they have like, they have like 6,000 tanks? You know what those tanks are?

M. Abrams? Yeah, they got to be. I mean, I noticed also when the original, like, when the, yeah, when the original ban on, when the original, like, announcement came down that we were ceasing aid, like, Egypt was specifically accepted. So, like, maybe we are going to see a play towards towards Egypt pretty soon.

this might just be me too i'm just partial towards egypt i like egyptians i like i like egypt it's cool i mean between them and if we're going to invest in places and uh on that continent uh egypt and south africa uh so many places you want to have control over uh but yeah egypt's aches are egypt's aches are amazing the closest thing to russian aka yeah the closest thing the uh the modi is the closest thing to a russian a k on the planet i didn't know that interesting I didn't know that. Well, the Russians built the factory. Oh, well, that'll do it then, right?

All righty. Let's go back to our one topic as it relates to illegal immigration. I know this is one that was a huge story, and we cannot ignore this one. So Catholic Bishops' organization, this is huge. All right, selling drastic government funding cuts. U.S. Catholic bishops said they were ending a century-old program resettling refugees fleeing war or persecution. The bishops program

will also end its support of undocumented children who come into the United States. This is amazing. This is a great news. It's like some of the best news every week. I can bitch about this a little bit because not to be a, I am Catholic.

I'm going to be sounding slightly simpy, but it's not necessarily true that they personally bring people in. The problem is that they want the money from the government to take care of the people that the government brings in. It creates a very dirty financial incentive. A lot of these places, the boomers are dying off.

The churches need money. And so they take the federal handout to take care of these people. If the churches weren't taking that hand out, these people would have literally nowhere to go and would probably just go home because they have nowhere to live or eat. It's one of those things where, like, yeah, I get people are going to use this, like, insult the Catholic Church. but and the U.S.

Bishop's Conference is incredibly like liberal and just gross and needs to be cleared out but I will say that like that they're not the ones bringing the people in they're just taking up a paycheck to house them which is still bad, it's still bad, it's awful I'm glad that they're like letting go

of this like failed operation which you, okay look and I don't say this as someone who's recently relapsed into Catholicism you know, I've apostatized into Catholicism. I've done a lot, like that book Tri-State, that book Tri-Faith America or whatever, it's one of the people brought that into the sort of discussion. The Catholic Church in the United States has traditionally been

a very two-sided institution. I'm looking really big on the idea. All markets have two sides and everything. I actually don't think the U.S. Bishops Conference is all that bad, but I'm like, I also, like, I go to know this order of mass and that sort of thing. I'm not like a turbo like traditional or anything like that. But to say that they're not, you know, okay, yeah, they're not bringing the, you know, Catholic charities in the United States have been traditionally very bad.

They've been, you know, they've, if you look, when you look behind, when you look behind the curtain, you almost always find them. In fact, if you look at the source of urban, the, like, the reason urban immigration in the United States was so successful as far back in the 1920s, It's the churches that are doing this. It's actually the churches and the Jewish mafia that are doing this. So I want to say what sort of happens is to use my favorite group, Lithuanians, Lithuanians and Polish people. These are the two that are probably the best examples of this. You go into a city like Chicago and you look and you'll see,

and you know, everybody tends like E. Michael Jones types and that sort of thing. They'll look at this and they'll see these Polish Catholic communities, these Lithuanian Catholic communities. And they'll say, wow, look at this wonderful traditional community. that exists in this urban rot or whatever. And, but the way that actually happened is, of course, Jews used to be involved in organized crime and that sort of thing, but they actually got out of it pretty quickly because they realized what they could do

is they could take their ill-begotten gains in like the liquor trade, the racketeering trade and that sort of thing. And they could turn it legitimate. And the way they would do this is they would loan money to Catholic churches who would just like, so there would be like a parachuted bunch of Lithuanians that was just suddenly land in the middle of Chicago. And the church would be the center of their communities

where they would do business and everything like that. And so the Catholic church would end up, they spotted an opportunity for growth here and, you know, community facilitation. And they would borrow a bunch of money from the Jewish mafia. And like, then they would subsequently lend it back out at like, you know, nearly

non-usurist rates. And, you know, they had this sort of thing worked out. So the Catholic Cherries have been doing this in the United States for the longest time and I don't want them entirely out the hook for just providing a place for these people because if the place doesn't exist for the people, they won't keep coming. So like there's this, there is this sort of thing. And there's, you know, somebody who went to a, like, I went to a Jesuit school in New Orleans where, like, it currently, there's an Esperanto and a Spanish

addendum next to it. Okay. So, I mean, they, they actually, they do this still. And there has been, for the longest time in the Latin American world, this certain, nearly certain knowledge that when you get to America, there will be Catholic charities there to catch you. You know, so this is a big reversal. And that's pretty cool. I didn't know this

happened. That was a lot of talking. I'm sorry. And I've got to go say a rosary. No, that was good. Yeah, and I would say this is actually an institution that wouldn't be hard to capture away from the left. It's already started to get some really good people in it, but further effort has to be

done to like, you know, who's that like really borderline heretical priest in California or James Martin? Like, he's got to get kicked from that somehow. That's the problem is there's no policing by the bishops anymore because the bishops

are just as corrupt. So, you know, the, the best thing that I've been seeing is like in the last five to six years, like, it's 80% of the new priest, the new ordinance or lean to the right. So that's good news.

And that's just that's just a picture of what we're seeing in the in the zeitgeist itself where, you know, more people are moving to the right, especially younger people. Here, here. Let's tackle the first round of super chats. Then we've got two stories left and we'll get out of here from the evening. So back to the top of our super chat list. We've got Hitman for a five bucks. He says, God bless the OGC salute. Thank you very much.

We appreciate it. Caleb for, you know what, Salt Snake. You're not in there, man. You're not in there first. Maybe he's super chatted later tonight, but unacceptable. Bad behavior from you, sir. Caleb for five bucks. Templar is correct.

A million gone by July 4th for this administration has failed. Yeah, they got to get up the number of deportations. we're all in agreement on that one. Yeah, I made a spicy, because A.A. not exactly loved amongst us all the time, but he had some of the good critiques. And as far as I can tell, we're starting to ramp it up, and some of the things that Stephen Miller were suggesting suggest that there will be a, like, a pathway to deportation.

Because right now it's very, like, cleaning up. It's so shady and unclear how to get through to it. But if you can get the documents in some of these institutions that have been dealing with illegals for like 20 years, we'll have the data, the addresses, and just streamline the process. This is why, like we just keep talking about, it's just easier to do the stuff by just making it unattractive for these people to be here. Get rid of Spanish on all government contracts and buildings, get rid of the start putting in the remittance tax, go to hell and destroy all these companies, are actually employing these illegal aliens and stuff, cut off all these federal programs. I mean, these people will just leave. They have no connection to the land. They're here for the Gibbs.

We've known about this for forever. They will leave. Just make it hard for them. So, all right. Caleb, we'll get him for 20 bucks. Can't do 90 miles an hour on country road, windows down, and taking in the scenery anymore. These people have invaded everything.

The brown biomass has every road jammed up. You can't even take a shortcut on a side road anymore. Sad. I don't know, man. I mean, I'll... I'm going to be taking another. long road trip throughout the country later this year and I'll get back

to you on that one but I definitely saw some of this when I was driving around the country last year. So we'll see how much it's changed in a 12 month period. Chaos Tank Engine, always a cool name in the chat for 10 bucks. The stock market has festered under

the boomer's lives for too long. His dream is a rotting corpse and I will be the fire that cleanses it. Let the stars weep. Let the world's crumble. Let the start market it burn boros zimmer cell yeah yeah i can understand why um some young guys um who have had their opportunities stolen from them by uh foreigners and you know are just cut out of markets altogether would think that way i can definitely see um the argument that's for sure harvey woolbanger our

good friend from virginia for 15 bucks a shout out to delaware crossing society for hosting a great event in gettysburg last weekend yeah i saw some pictures it was awesome private chapter events are happening all the time so join your local OGC chapter today yes and people will be hearing more about this Gettysburg event next week when we're going to have some guys come on and actually talk about what they were doing at that event so yeah local events are happening all around the country get involved with your local OGC chapter now um mongoose for two bucks bros why is trump giving soft amnesty i don't know i'm uh what this is in reference to um that That might be in reference to what Miller's doing.

The risks. Once those illegals are on paper, legalizing, making them legal will be incredibly easy if the Democrats take power in 2026 or 2028. Well, let's hopefully get rid of the people

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So together, we can create a more reliable, sustainable electricity supply for your community. Find out more at airgrid.i.4. Northwest. Thank you very much. I'm a hunger. Always a pleasure to see you in the chat, sir, and I look forward to seeing you once again here very soon. The Gettysburg event this weekend was a blast and incredibly white-pilling to Delaware Crossing Society and all the other chapters came together flawlessly. You can just do things, gents, see you all in May.

Yes, indeed, Hunger. I am looking forward to once again share. a cigar and a cocktail with you, my friend. So, uh, mongoose, again, for five bucks. Texas is being sold to every variety of brownoid right now.

We have a Pakistani day, a Bangladeshi day. Please not like this, bros. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about Texas before on this show, but you guys got to get your shit together down there.

You just send like the worst class of politicians, uh, up from Texas aside from like one honorable mention being like Ron Paul. And, uh, he's long gone, uh, by now.

So, uh, I don't know, we gotta get working. We're going to talk about one state that is in desperate need of getting something together for the next year in a moment here. I have to refinish up these superchats. So mint 20 for 10 bucks. Another week, another bunch of citizens and non-citizens alike looking for asylum to the country I work for.

Home country still isn't accepting any applications from the U.S. L.O.L. Oh, interesting. I know you've on super chat about that last week, so very interesting. Oh, look at this. Here's Salt Snake sneaking in behind. enemy lines a little too late this time for $10,000. Evening jents, absolutely hysterical that all these nations are cucking to our tariffs. I use the low prices to buy my meager stocks in crypto. Apparently, I need to now listen to my fellow Zumer coworker who made 50K yesterday. Wow, good for

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because Israel. Based. Okay. Cool. Imagine how mad you have to be to do that. Fuck it. I'm going with God. I'm going with Jesus. Belaro 393 for five bucks. The tariffs will cause America to produce more wood.

Zimmers have not been schooled in economics. so they'll think the U.S. is using it to build more wooden doors for our greatest alley. Oh, my God. Wow. All right. That might be the super chat of the night. Thank you, Polaro. New England refugee for five bucks.

Ten years ago, Russians ruled the trucking industry was sketchy then. Now I'll take Ivan over a group treat any day on my, up to the road, Indian steel. Yeah, very true. Don Browning, as ever, sends us a 20 Austrian. trillion dollar super sticker with a pair holding a mirror caption thanks for being you oh thank you very much don browning at least there's one woman in the chat you know who's supporting the boys on the front lines so we thank you for it um new england refugee for uh five bucks sad i missed the ticket this year thomas triple seven and pete hanging out was awesome to watch red hawk advises to go hard the

second night i agree god bless you all i mean it's your coming to the event i kind of recommend you guys go hard on like the first night you get there. So you have a little bit of time of recovery before you leave. I mean, I can't go hard the first night because I got an event to run, you know. Usually for me, I actually go hard at the after party when I can finally relax and the event's finally over with. But yeah, definitely pace yourself, everyone. You don't want to miss any of those talks.

Don't pace yourself at all. Go hard all day every day. I love this guy's username. I'm about to be a New England refugee as well. Sorry. There you go. I remember when you came into the event, I'll last year's stamp at you already were going hard. I was, I was, the quote, Bob Dill, and I was burned out from exhaustion. I had just driven nine hours. And, like, you all, like, the location, you successfully spoofed the location. Because I had to go pick up, I had to go pick up, I had to go pick up somebody from the, from the Memphis airport. And I was thinking this was going to be way closer to Memphis than it really was. And we had two more. It was the last hour. I asked an hour and a half of driving. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to fall asleep on the road.

Well, I was happy to see you. Give you a big hug when you arrived. Oh, yeah. All right. Seasider sends us $10 and a salute as ever. Thank you, sir. A ski bumm $220 sends us $20 and a salute the OGC. Thank you very much.

And Machiavilly sucks being white is great for $5. The boomers are your parents. They will pass money to their kids. If your parents don't pass money to you, it's not other boomer fault I mean maybe I mean case by case I guess

but all right that's us for the first round of super chats let's go on. Maybe we should deal with if we deal with case by case basis when it comes to boomers let's deal with a case by case basis when it comes to immigrants illegal immigrants

we'll just take our time and vet each one and you know we need to hire some women to investigate the the possibilities, you know, of the context of each case, you know, this needs to be unpacked. Have they read Francis Parker Yaqui? Are they part of the high culture?

Unpacked. Let's do that. I hate that word Sampatch. Unpacked. That's so bad. There are like two things I can tell. There are two things you can do. Be like, I'm immediately not going to like you.

Use the word unpacked or have a fish sticker on anything that you own. Oh, no. All right. Let's move on to the great state of Ohio, and we just have to talk about this image because, well, number one, I can smell this image from here when this was going around.

But my God, what is going on with these meetings of these GOP people in Ohio, laying on hands of Vivek Ramoswamy? Like, a heathen, a heathen. What gods are they praying to for this guy? They're praying to Hanuman? on the fish? What is going on here?

Curse the issue right now. Yeah. Oh my God. You know it smell wild in there. Oh, man. Do you guys think he's wearing shoes? No. No, he's barefoot.

Yeah. Right there, he's thinking about where he's, he's thinking about the corner he's going to shit in. Uh, he's going to use that. Never gets old. He'll never, ever get old. But we're not just bringing up Vivek once again to make some jokes at his expense,

even though we always have fun doing that. But we need to bring attention to a GOP character who can actually challenge this man, and we'll actually do a pretty damn good job of it, in my opinion. This is Jim Tressel. People might be familiar with him if you are college football fans, who won many national championships throughout his tenure, and he's actually in the College Football Hall of Fame, if I'm not mistaken. So this guy is actually now currently the lieutenant governor of Ohio.

He's a Republican, college football Hall of Famer. This is just like as Ohio's you can get, right? This is the guy that people need to start paying attention to. This is the guy that could challenge Vivek Ramma Bing Bong here for sure. So I don't know. Anyone else have any comments on Mr. Tressel? Samhatch, you might have something to say on this guy. I don't know anything about anything that happens north of I-40, unfortunately.

like Ohio to me I'm like yeah Chile yeah But you know I think it's funny that every time I come on this show Vivik Viva Lama Bing Bong Comes up Vivik Vivik Raman noodle

Vimic Rama Not gonna be governor of Ohio Yeah He didn't have a chance It's like But you know The actually the only The only GOP

Just like it's fling it out in left field the only GOP politician that I even, and it reminds you, I haven't heard Donald Trump's voice since he got elected. That's how not paying attention to politics I've been. But I did see a guy out in, I guess it was Nevada,

who was a classical composer, has decided to run for Congress, and I'm like all about this. That's the only GOP politician that I'm willing to give the sand badge bump to at this point. I'm like, yeah, classical composer, sure, yeah, we need one of those in Congress. And it's based entirely on that.

I don't know, I don't know much about what's going on in Ohio, but trestle sounds great is he related to jim to is he related i don't know that's a that's a super like footbally name i don't know it's like a football dynasty oh i don't know i mean i will say that i will say this i mean i'll just say right at the front uh this guy's politics like they literally just do not matter because anyone is going to be better than uh vivac rama bing bonguebong in charge of your state all right i mean ohio is a huge huge college football state you know buck guys this guy coached over at Ohio State. Well, I mean, this guy is just, he's just made for the role.

You can easily rally behind this guy. I don't want to hear anything about like, oh, like, well, you know, he's not like super based unless like one certain issue or stuff. That's not the point here. But the point is that you're trying to actually mean this guy into the position of actually running the state. He actually is an Ohioan. You know, he's actually going to, you know, like, he's a heritage American.

At the very least, he should be in charge of his own state. It should not be Vivek Ramish-Wammy. I mean, if I could vote for the Democrat instead of voting for Vivek at this point, it would be better for your state. This Black Friday, game stream and go full speed with one gig, Sky broadband, and watch unmissable shows like all her fault on Sky. These nice people killing each other. And Ballad of a Small Player starring Colin Farrell on Netflix.

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At least externally, some people who are very pro Indian governing magistrate, like you like, you Musk have started to seemingly publicly change their opinion, whether privately they actually have, has yet have been seen. But

it just seems like, like, this is one of those things where you, you're kind of creating an accidental humiliation ritual forced on your supporters. You're like, yeah, take back America. Now, vote for this guy that's not from a, well, okay, he's born in America as much as an illegal

is. It's like detached from the culture. Vivek is like, it's, for me, I'm not as racist, This is all you. For me, it's basically he's a fucking heathen, unrelated to any European culture whatsoever. And he has to just be kicked out. How's that any...

How's that any different in the end of the people? Yeah, I know. I know. I'm a good Catholic boy. I try to keep things... But in this case, it's like all the above reasons why you shouldn't vote for Vivek. Any reason you want to give. It's a good reason not to vote for him.

He's obviously a con artist. His history is full of bullshit. He's a foreigner by blood and by... by faith. He's just this, this, like, graph on, like, attempt. Like, you ever play Crusader Kings, too? And, and you really want this, this, like, alliance with some foreign power, and you, like, have to do an arranged marriage with someone you really don't want to to keep the alliance. And it kind of feels like, this is, like, an arranged marriage with some Indian clientele that we don't know about. And, like,

nobody asks for this. Nobody wants this, but we have to do this for the alliance. No, fuck that. We're not in Crusader Kings, too. We're in reality. Exactly. 100%. I mean, people are saying like rhino in the chat and stuff i mean listen i know ohio has a history of a lot of like rhino politicians right and let us not even forget that jd vansson of was a senator from ohio and wasn't very fond of trump at the very beginning well i mean like a rhino is better than a literal foreigner i mean it does i even really think for a moment that vivac rameshrami is going to solve the haishan problem you know in springfield do you think that that problem is going to be

solved under his administration. No, it's just going to get worse. It's going to import all these people. I mean, this is the guy. You can create a meme around this guy. It's just college football man, come to save his state. That's all you need, man. It'll play very, very well for Ohioans. And if anyone was an Ohioan in the chat, either you rally behind this guy or you find somebody better because you cannot let Vivek Ramoswamy become governor of state. This cannot be allowed to happen. Imagine the, I mean, we saw what happened across the pond, right? We're in a very short period of time.

All four countries in the UK were all ruled by Indian men in a very short period of time. You just cannot open the door to this kind of stuff. Cannot be allowed. All right. Moving on to our final story of the evening, which is why everyone really was gathered here in the very first place because... Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah, I know Pee, like the storm took out your power just for five seconds for you to come back

and join in on the story that you really wanted to talk about, all right? But this is perhaps one of the coolest things has ever happened in the history of anything. And Sandwich and I were talking about this the other night, a bunch of other, like, naysayers, you know, were being mad about this one. But, I mean, everyone's heard it to death. I heard it in my tax practice from Normie's coming into the office nonstop. This one broke containment.

But yes. So, colossal bioengineering has decoded. the entire genome of the dire wolves through ancient fossilized teeth, fossilized skull bones, and they have altered the genomes of gray wolves with 14 different changes, and they have produced what are effective extinct dire wolves, and there's three of them now. And I never, I'll tell you this much, this is not what I thought was I was going to be reading on Monday morning. Yeah, it just sort of burst onto the scene.

and I, you know, this is like one of these things where it's very obviously, you know, they used AI to do it. And so I think, you know, a lot of people, I see a lot of the like normal accounts being like, what point? Well, they're literally doing the like, you know, the Jurassic Park thing. It's like, you know, you didn't stop to think if you should or whatever. But I mean, I think, and then there's, of course, also the people that are talking about there's not a real dire wall or anything like that.

And, you know, we'll have to let, let, let, let, let Luther Scholar and old scholar go, like, go talk before I, you know, sort of respond to that. But, you know, I would point out that this is, to my mind, actually, maybe the single coolest thing humans have ever done. And, like, I come at this almost from a religious perspective, like a sort of Blakean religious perspective, where I sort of look at all of human history. And when you see, you know, human history, we've talked about the passenger pigeon already here. You know, we've talked about already here today. We've talked about the Carolina parakeet here today.

the history of human advance of human progress so far has generally been to the detriment of the natural world. And sort of my overarching ideology is I sort of call it the garden ideology where I sort of believe that it's the Englishman's destiny to sort of like to govern and maintain the entire world as a garden. This marks the first non-cathabolic turn in the sort of in the sort of historical trajectors. We were talking about from William Blake, until we have built Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land. This, to me, sort of marks the turn away from catabolysis to generativity. So this is the first time we've ever been able to, this first time we've ever been not move materials around, not like, say, you know, take this rock and turn it over here and turn it into a big, into acute cathedral or something like that. This is the first time we've ever been able to take something that we've done,

something that we removed, something that humans removed and we've been like, okay, we're going to reintroduce it. You know, there's sort of massively redemptive sort of metaphysical aspect. This Black Friday, game stream and go full speed with one gig, Sky broadband, and watch unmissable shows like all her fault on Sky. These nice people killing each other.

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It's like, I mean, not even kidding when I say, this is the coolest thing people have ever done, you know. I mean, I'm certainly incredibly excited for this kind of stuff. I mean, obviously, people know my extreme passion for paleontology and also for the wild world and immediately when I saw a picture of these things and Sam Magic and

you can confirm this as well. I just saw the little ones initially. And when you told me there were more pictures of the other ones, I looked at them and I was like, whoa. Well, the thing is, you can immediately tell about, let's listen to these howls here because they're nothing like our wolves, howls. It doesn't sound anything like them.

That's a little chilling. or at least it will be when they're not little babies. Yeah. They're already grown up. Well, I mean, these ones are so crazy because these two ones that were watching, these are the two, the first two they bred were two males named Romulus and Remus.

And they're about five to six months old now. And these things are already the size of full-grown American great wolves. And it's nuts. And they're going to get even bigger. I mean, just looking at the anatomy is different. They have the large hump shoulders, because they have bigger bone structure,

the tail is longer, the ears are bigger. They have more fluff and scruff around their necks, which people think that this is just, like in lions, people assume like a lion's mane is just there for show. Like, no, it's actually there for combat as well. It's actually protective gear around the neck to prevent from other males for biting you. And these wolves had similar features on them as well.

But it's just amazing, man. I don't know if anyone else listened to the CEO of this company, they got interviewed, on Joe Rogan a couple days ago and listening to the next set of projects that these guys have, you know, things like mammoths and Tasmanian tigers and stuff like that. I mean,

de-extinction, I personally believe this is absolutely something we should be doing. It's our duty to preserve the natural world. I mean, Anglos invented conservation and Americans perfected it. All right. And this is really, it is our duty. You know, these things were

removed from the environment. They shouldn't have been, and they should be put back. And it should be. should be managed as well. Do anyone else not know that the dire wolf was a real animal that went extinct? Wait, did you not? They've been around, and, you know, they,

it's sort of interesting, they were, they were global at one point, but their last readouts were in western United States, so like California, up to like British Columbia, and they were around as recently as 10,000 years ago, like, like they, there's significant crossover between the dire wolf

population and, you know, arguably, civilization, depending on how you want to define civilization, you know. Are they doing this on an island off of Costa Rica and is Michael Crichton? We can only hope. We can only hope. They literally did, they literally did the frog DNA thing. That's why, you know, that's why people have been like, you know, people have been like, it's not really a dire wolf or whatever. And I do have an argument in favor. I do have an argument why this is, you know, we'll call it, actually it doesn't really matter what you call it. but it's something that has the potential to grow into a dire wolf.

We actually, we created a speciation event, which is like we created the first instance that I could think of, of something that doesn't have to be governed. It can actually reproduce itself, and it can actually, it can actually formulate itself to whatever sort of biological niche. We can sort of fit it into this thing that it's going to start changing on its own.

But it's based on what was, it's based on the genome of this thing that was called the dire wolf, you know and but they literally did the the frog DNA thing and that's why you know that's why you know they're talking about the 14 there's 14 points of mutation you know one of the things that I want to talk about is um the fallout from this has been kind of disturbing to me in a sense of uh you know i can buy the argument people saying like oh like you shouldn't be going down this route of uh creating life in this way and like playing god i can understand that argument the thing i can't get behind. And the thing that actually pisses me off is when people are just openly saying,

oh, this isn't a big deal. You know, they're like rules, lawyering and actually saying, like, no, this is all fake news. This isn't real science. They didn't actually create this and they actually didn't bring it back. Because it's not technically a die of it's like, no, dude, like, this isn't like cloning dolly of the sheep. Like what they did here, this is a species that does not exist anywhere else on the planet, period. They've gone through enough mutations and enough changes to the genetic code that they had fully mapped out. of an extinct animal, and they just brought it back to life. They basically did everything that could have possibly done to make this thing as close as possible to the actual thing without stepping into a time machine and bringing it back, like the literal animal.

These things can reproduce that by themselves, which is already an amazing feat to begin with, uh, amazing, uh, already. And if you have something that exhibits all of the traits of an extinct animal, I mean, like, call it whatever you want, but it functionally is the thing. shall I shall I have my little monologue on the science go so so as has been mentioned they started

they started with an American gray wolf DNA code and the dire wolf DNA code just a quick note on that so most times DNA starts breaking down after just a hundred years but

think about it this way the breakdown occurs at random points in the DNA and you have like a billion cells to scrape the data from in the initial couple of thousand years after something dies. So you can take all these billions of fragments from different cells in the bones and kind of basically get a sense of like, okay, here's the full segment.

There are like a couple of thousand breaking down parts of each individual DNA thread in each individual cell, but when you map out like a couple hundred of them, it becomes very obvious what goes where, and it's kind of like you have, it's kind of like you have a, you have like a billion copies of the same Shakespeare, and there's like a missing sentence,

a single missing sentence from each individual one that are different, but you have enough of the overall text to get, get the full picture, if that makes sense. So, like, each one is damaged uniquely, but overall you see the full thing. So they took the, I guess you could say,

the appearance of the dire wolf, it's fur, it's mane, its ears, it's skull-shaped and bone thickness, it's probably some growth hormone initiating sequences that occur when a species that enters puberty, mammal specifically. And I think there were basically like a couple hundred short segments that make the Diroilf unique.

And then they replaced those segments in the gray wolf DNA, probably using CRISPR, but there are other methods. CRISPR is kind of old technology now. and essentially you create these like little insertion pieces in the DNA segment and you can insert something that will replace the existing DNA in pretty standardized bit sized bit sizes so what you're looking at is is something that's basically a D it would it would be more accurate to say a D evolved Grey Wolf if that makes sense uh now you know if you if you took this and put it in a herd of gray wolf it would probably be able to reproduce with that. It's probably fundamentally just a grey wolf with some appearances. I would not say that this is a new, a resurrected...

Sorry, Red Hawk, I would not say this is a quote-unquote resurrected species. What it is taking the appearances, the genes that inform the appearances of a species and putting in another one, which is basically a larger, more complex version of what they did with the woolly mice, this company did a few months back. That actually, in that instance, they didn't even really take the DNA of a woolly mammoth's fur. They took the individual DNA mutations of fur.

All mammals have fur. It's kind of similar DNA across the field. And reproduced the mutations in a woolly mammoth in the mice. So it's really more like engineered mutations than inserting a new DNA segment or replacing it. That's probably also what they did here. I tried to find any articles documenting what exactly they did. I could not find any scientific journal postings that listed the specific traits that they did or changed. So for now, we can't we can't know for certain.

Changing a couple hundred genomes isn't terribly hard. Currently, technology is not up to snuff to recreate an entire genome from a species and put it into the embryo of another. this is just a fundamental engineering problem because when DNA segments get long enough they start getting entangled interacting with each other and they start like cutting each other up into pieces essentially like if you imagine you have um 10,000 base pairs which is like equivalent of saying 10,000 bits of genetic data and there's like a couple of segments along that that are close enough together let me pause there DNA repeats a lot because it's only four letters and

overall there will be unique segments but at a like pair by pair basis there's a lot of repeats a lot of similar tendencies because the basic way evolution works is that a gene will be duplicated and then the duplicate will start to gradually

mutate over generations but while that duplication is new those two duplicated genes are so similar that they will entangle with each other in in the cell without proper maintenance and oftentimes cause

infertile or non-viable offspring. Yeah, this is the problem is a direct cloning, right? Yeah. Well, no, direct cloning is just taking the nucleus of one cell and putting in another. That's not hard. I'm talking about

when you're printing up the DNA, the individual thread of DNA, the four letters combinations, when it gets long enough, it starts accidentally looping into itself. So it's no longer a DNA thread. It becomes like rings of DNA that have merged and cut each other off from each other. So it becomes very unstable. You have to use chromosomal stability proteins to

keep it stable as it prints out and that technology is not yet really viable right now. It might be in a few years and with the goal that with these tiny protein structures that stabilize the DNA in a cell, you could theoretically stabilize the DNA thread as it prints and create full-length genomes, which would be basically the ability to engineer entire organisms from scratch. We're not there yet. We will be soon.

If you want a visual, if you want a visual sort of explanation for what he's just saying right here, if you imagine you just boiled a pot of spaghetti and you didn't use any olive oil or something like that. As you pull that spaghetti out of that, it's going to start to stick together because, like, you know,

these, they're only, and also you can think of DNA as a sort of language that's not incredibly phonemically rich. There's only so many sort of, there's only so many sort of letter combinations that you have. And these things will tend to stick to one another. Okay. And so like they'll, they'll want to

make a big goop, you know, like, like sort of like spaghetti will if you don't, if you don't lubricate it and prevent it from sticking together. Your cell has a number of proteins it creates to prevent DNA from getting entangled and messy. They're stability

proteins. When you're making DNA in a lab, you're not making those proteins so the DNA can only be so long before it starts self-knotting and ripping itself the pieces from chemical forces. Again, DNA is a language, but unlike language that you write, this is a language that exists as physical medium rather than conceptual medium. So it has to obey chemical rules. And that makes it very difficult to say anything too long, because your sentences will literally start to entangle with each other without proper stability. So what I'm getting at is that this can be categorized as a subspecies. I think Reddok said that. It is a subspecies of the grey wolf, though. It is not a subspecies of the dire wolf. It is a subspecies of the grey wolf that has been engineered to look like the dire wolf.

Well, now, look, this is where I have to sort of start pushing back in. Oh, like, I will agree that this is not the dire wolf that split off from the grey wolf, you know, phylogeny 5.7 million years ago. But we have like real questions now. Like what exactly is a species? And is what is a speciation event? Is it an idealism that's not necessarily all that real? And I really like that de-evolution analogy. Because it's really what we've done here.

You've just inserted, you've just, what you've done is that you've isolated bits of like this would almost be like us going back in and like sort of deciding to re-insert, you know, sort of traits that would be like involved. that would be present in ancient Egyptians that aren't necessarily present today. Sort of de-evolved it is what you've done. But, you know, like, what, does it really, to what extent does it actually matter what you decide to name it? Okay, it's a dire wolf or whatever. This is a wolf, it's a canad, you know. I think that's an idealism that we can sort of continue to run with now as a heuristic.

But, like, what actually is the difference between a red wolf, gray wolf, dire wolf, how much does it actually matter here? You know, that's the question. That is a good, this is important to bring up because up until around the 1970s, the definition of a species was it can breed with each other. Like, things that can breed with each other are parts of the same species. But in the 1970s, in order to, there was like, you know, an invented environmental crises. And so one of the strategies environmentalists and biologists did to make an ecological disaster

were then existed was redefine the definition of a species from things that can breed with each other to things that prefer to breed with each other. Key difference. So if you have two populations that are basically the same species, but they don't prefer to breed with each other even though they can, then they're categorized now as two species rather than two populations of the same species. And this was done. The human beings, right?

Yeah. I can go into that. Um, so anytime a breeding population was wiped out, they could say, oh, a species has gone extinct. We need funding to prevent that from happening to the other breeding populations that they're calling species. When in reality, the species didn't really go extinct. It's just a, a breeding population of that species died out. There's plenty of other breeding populations. I know a good example of this is the, um, the white rhinoceros is in Africa.

Now there's like five or something different species of white rhinoceros. even though there's just one and they can all breed with each other, but they're like a couple of miles apart from each other. So they call them different species because they don't breed with each other, even though they can. So this creature, like if we're working with the older definition of species, this is a gray wolf. This is a cool looking gray wolf. If we're going with the modern definition of species, it's a new species. If you wanted to force it to become an actual new species, you could introduce several artificial junk DNA, mutations, so the non-encoding DNA segments, that would make its DNA, its gametes, like the sex organs, incompatible with the American Grable.

At that point, you would have bootstrapped these breeding pairs to be a new species because they can no longer produce viable offspring with American Gravals. That would be an artificial way to keep their population pure in a certain sense so that further generations from these first ones, could only breed with each other, and even if accidentally came into contact with gray wolves, they would not be able to produce viable offspring. At that point, you will have artificially invented a new species through the introduction of these junk DNA offsets. When you change the length of the junk DNA, junk DNA is basically segments of DNA that don't encode,

like the parts of the cell that print out proteins from the DNA, simply skip those segments. They exist naturally as essentially cancer buffers, so that mutations are more likely to happen in these large segments of unused DNA rather than on the viable protein segments. But the thing is, when you change the length of junk DNA, when the sex organs merge, when the sperm meets the egg, the longer DNA trail with a lot of extra junk DNA can no longer merge with the original egg DNA or vice versa. So they're no longer genetically compatible. This question of species actually stems from the colonial era because when humans came into contact with Aboriginal Australians, this thing that had a vastly different skull shape and posture and look to their bodies, people wanted to categorize them as a local fauna rather than a human. And it's true that the Aboriginal Australian has a unique set of genes that make its head arcades.

It has, I think, 80,000-year-old genes for how human skulls used to look. But it can still, like, our aboriginals can still produce offspring with any other race. So, like, they're technically human, but people who wanted to categorize them as non-human so they could kill them, wanted to categorize them as different species. So in many ways, this effort to redefine species does stem from a certain desire to wipe people off because they're not humans. But that's funny. I didn't know this, but Aboriginal Australians are actually closer to Europeans than sub-Saharan Africans. And the 80,000 year number is usually what people say.

I know some people don't like out of Africa theory, but I currently still think it's the best idea. 80,000 years is actually about when that human group that the Australians split off from what became white people Europeans Yeah, yeah, old Europeans Right. Crow Magnum, the ancestor of Europeans,

had those genes for that skull shape that the aboriginals have, but they went through further environmental pressures to essentially make the school ship that Europeans have today, while the population that went east towards Australia maintained those traits. But fun fact,

my dad's um apple group is like an old European line it's not an Indo-European line so it's it's pre you would say in in meme language

it's pre-airing gene line so my uh my dad's gene heritage when he did a DNA test it's it was most similar to populations that went towards Australia in the deep history

and like my mom I'm not black I'm white I'm an Irishman half Irish but that N word those

those those pre steppe-ary European populations are more related to Aboriginal Australians than Africans because that population group

split off and then 10,000 years later the the steppearians came out of the Caucasus into the west even the Janaya even the Indo-Europeans

were are related to Australians. That's really cool. It gets weird. It's very late. That Haplow group. Yeah, it is very rare. It's a very, very, very ancient line that went originally eastward, split off somewhere

in Indonesia, and then one group went back west. Yes. The line divided somewhere in Indonesia. One population went back west all the way to Europe and the other population went all the way east to Australia. It's a very bizarre heritage. So you'll sometimes get like 10% of the Irish population has these like weird genes that you only find in Australia and Asia as like how? Why? But they're fundamentally European. They're just what's kind of they're categorized as old Europeans. You can Google that on your own time. Yeah, no, I understand. Well, sorry. Yeah, you're the anthropologist here. You get that. But most people might not. But 80% of Ireland is R1B. Yeah. The most R1B place in Europe, which is.

If this was a Mr. D space, we'd be hearing that, ah! Right about right about now. To get back on topic, to get back on topic on dire wolves, I'm looking forward to their, I think they'll probably try to do the dodo or the mammoth next, but what they're probably going to do is they're going to take a,

it'll have to be a small, if they're going to use the Siberian mammoth genes, those are smaller elephants. they were an islandification of species that get smaller. The Siberian population where they found the still juicy mammoth mummies with rich amounts of DNA deposits, those elephants are only really going to be able to be birthed from smaller Indian or other populations of elephants. So they'll probably take an Indian elephant or some smaller population of elephants and they will insert the William mammoth fur genes and tusk genes. and a few other genes, and claim that they resurrect the mammoth when it's just like, you know,

you change the shader on the 3D model, basically. Whatever you want, I'm going to hunt it. No, yeah, I mean, that's basically the point at the end. I'm actually, the reason I'm totally cool with this, and the reason I am is because, you know, this is like... I had a joke. Let me just tell you a joke, well quick. I'm most eager for them to resurrect the extinct Carthaginian elephant species. because only then can we conquer Africa.

Oh my God. But I mean, I'm totally okay with this because, I mean, this is the kind of thing that, like, you know, really the argument, a lot of people is like, what are you going to do with this? Like, where are you going to put this thing or whatever? And I'm like, yeah, okay, but like people are just not going to get excited about the possibility of gene editing the ecosystem, starting with the foundational bacteria from the ground up, which is like, you know, from a utilitarian standpoint is probably the direction they should go. They're, like, this stuff still needs enough funding.

and I'm actually sort of glad that they're not publishing, they're not showing their work because it means they're serious. You know? I'm actually very excited to re-nature the Siberian wastes to have like an icy savannah full of megafauna and old extinct species.

We should absolutely do it totally. Do it in northern Canada, do it out west as well. I mean, these things need to be managed if they are to be released. You know, like, the, like, the thing that, like, the pushback that people are getting, it's like, oh, you're going to, you're going to introduce, like, a super, like, extinct mega predator back into the wilds. And I'm like, Chad, yes. Absolutely. Like, yeah, literally, yeah, absolutely, I want to do this. I want to convert the entire. The people who complain about this is the same people that are, like, filling national parks with trash and, like, like, getting out of their car to go, like, run within five steps of a grizzly bear to take a picture.

get mauled. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah. I want to convert the entire Indian subcontinent into a game reserve, all right? Entirely devoid human beings. Are you guys familiar Are you guys familiar with Thomas Jefferson's obsession

with mammoths? Yes. Yes. Yes. There is a patriotic reason why we should bring back the mammoth for America's 250th anniversary to to fulfill

Jefferson's dream. Because Jefferson was convinced somewhere out there there must still be mammoths. He commissioned, I think Lewis and Clark actually one of the reasons he sent them out was to find mammoths. Yes, it absolutely was. It's in the document. There is a

colonial American heritage to resurrect here and fulfilling Thomas Jefferson's dream of hunting mammoths in the American West. We must do it for America's 250th birthday. My favorite Jefferson mammoth story is that he had a skeleton of one ship to France when he was there. Of course, the French Revolution was started.

He was so fucking excited to show all these French people this mammoth. They were like, they were intensely disinterested, and he was just mad at him. He was like, this thing is so cool. He was, um, he was autistic in his own way. And, uh, he was a sensitive young man who wanted to hunt big game animals. And I say, you know, he would tell the French. that the mammoth was still alive somewhere and they should help him find it.

But I would say I will not rest until I visit Monticello and see a local little mammoth living on the site cared for by the locals and call him Tommy just to keep Thomas Jefferson's ghost happy. All right. So in conclusion, fellas, because I know Pete is ready to stab himself.

I'll listen to this story for so long. but this is an incredible moment. I'm really excited to see what they do next. I'm totally for rewilding and de-exticting as many species as possible, and this absolutely should be done. We're the only people that can do it,

and I look very forward to seeing what this company is going to do next. And if they ever have the opportunity to go and see these things, I will be one of the first people to sign up and do it, because this is just one of the coolest things ever. so let's go through the rest of the superchats. If this leads us to a more Ted Kaczynski world, I'm all for it. I'll very effectively get water, but you guys go on.

All right, let's go through the rest of the super chats and then we'll get out here for the evening. So, Zenrath for 25 bucks. I would kindly ask Mr. Arama Bingbong make way for better candidates and please take the next train to India. Yep, wouldn't that be nice? Aspiring misanthrope for three bucks.

OGC25 is a no-go as it's on my wedding day. Oh, well, congratulations to you, sir. But there's always next year. Play the most long house. Sondra, you got for me, please. Cheers. Circumcision, right? Circumcision.

All righty. Basque dude for five bucks. Why is it so much cheaper to import timber than it is to cut the timber we have in south and northeast. Is the industry subsidized in Canada? oh, it's massively subsidized in Canada the lumber industry. I don't know, let's not say it on this topic too long

because Sandbatch is going to go off about trees again, which is actually one of the more enjoyable topics that we've had for the evening, but we must wrap up. Lord and Corsivar Ashtiam for two bucks. I hope he puts Vivek back in the locker. Damn right. Wouldn't that be nice?

Like a nerd? Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's so funny. LeVendis for $10.Vevick is an anchor baby, correct. He should have his citizenship revoked and be deported. Yep, true. Belli Old Bradley for $10.

It's a super sticker of a pair flying through the air like a superhero. Nice. All right. Chief 14W for $3. Thoughts on using this tech for eugenics, i.e. make your child tall, A10, ayes, et cetera. Not for use on humans, use for animal. only. Moving on.

So, and then finally, Christopher Keyes, I remember meeting this guy. For five bucks, salute from the Oklahoma Hills. I'm pleased to announce the birth of a son and future member. Well, good for you, sir. Fantastic. Doing my part to fight the Le Grand replacement. Yep. Well, good for you, sir. And congratulations to your new baby boy.

Fantastic. All right, let's get some shillings out of the way. Cringy, what do you have to promote, sir? I am trying to get back into writing. I have two articles I'm trying to finish. One is about... There's a scene from Gattaca where, you know, one brother asked the other, how did you make it across this big thing that they were swimming?

It's like, that's the thing. I didn't plan to come back. And I think we all... I've said a few times on these streams where, like, we have to recognize that if Trump does fail and Democrats come back, we're all done. We're all over. And I think that that needs to be reminded of as we are getting some letdowns and some exceptions and some some pandering, but we have to stay the course.

And the other article is just going to be about the history of pizza in New York, because I think there's a history of empires in that. Interesting. All right, Pete, what do you have, sir? Pekinyano Show, pizubstack.com. That's it. All right, cool, cool. Mr. Illegerman Scholar, thank you for coming on, sir. What do you have to promote?

Yeah, thanks for having me. Illegimate Scholar, YouTube. All right, cool. That's it, yeah. All right, definitely go check that out. And be on the lookout on the horizon for the conversation the two of us had together. The real Red Hawk showed up this time. So everyone be on the lookout for that when that eventually releases.

And Mr. Sandbatch, always pleasure to speak with you, my friend. Do you have anything to promote? It's like I said, this is my favorite place to hang out, which I shouldn't say because I have more to shill than I normally do tonight, which is that, you know, like normally tonight, Cap and I are over, I'm filling in for T.R. Hudson while he takes a step back as the co-host on Library Mass Destruction, which we're doing Friday nights now. We're doing Friday night this week because Caps out killing a hooker or something like that.

And it's what allowed me to be on this show tonight. I'm not shilling the Twitter anymore, though. Y'all should get me to 7,000. I'll take a promise. I'll stop writing poetry when you all get me to 7,000 followers, and then I'll go back to doing normal stuff. But then I say this also. I've been writing a lot of poetry.

I think I'm at like 45 original poems in the last couple of months. I'm probably going to publish them in a book. So I'm going to do that. I've got two novels that I'm working on. One, nobody's going to be interested in. The other one is a kind of like sort of James Bondess, Texas noir thriller that I think people will like. And then, you know, there's my substack.

The substack is the one I'm really interested in growing. right now, but I actually also don't like substack very much as an interface or as a company or as anything. So I think what I was to do is they're doing too much. Yeah, exactly. They're doing too much at one time. So it's getting too noisy. So I think actually what I'm going to do is maybe make my own

homepage, which is dangerous thing to do because nobody ever clicks links anymore. But then I'll pipe the substack into it. And then, you know, I've got all kinds of projects. I got all kinds of projects going everywhere at once. and but if there's one that I would really like to show it's the or two it's the library of mass destruction and substack and thank you all also for writing along with me while I go through this like middle midlife crisis writing poetry and that sort of thing you all been wonderful I think like there's been almost no follower decay and I'm like what the hell well Sam actually have a lot to offer and you know you're a very interesting mind so if people would like to hear more of his musings please join Mr. D's Twitter spaces which occur many times a week and Sandbatch and myself are often guests on there. So if you're a late night, I'm a lurker.

Go around and listen to us talk about literally anything. You never know what we're going to talk about. Yeah, whatever comes up. Yeah, it's literally just a complete grab bag. For myself, I'll be on Post Zero this Sunday with Kyle Latovic and Jack Napier and the rest of the boys. And everyone, I've been chilling it for a couple of weeks, but it's going to be so exciting and tons of fun. the annual April 15th stream on my good friend

Chad Elkins's channel will be occurring next week to celebrate the end of tax season so please come on over and listen to us I'm sure a bunch of people will be making appearance over there and it's just going to be a one of those party atmosphere chill streams that everyone likes to listen to so if everyone wants to hear us talk about our tax season woes and drink copious amounts of alcohol on stream please go over and join my good friend Chad Elkins CPA for the April 15th stream I'll be over there for sure as soon as I'm back from the office, which will probably be very late.

So that's what we got coming up. And, of course, we'll be back here for Pony Express Radio next week. We'll see you guys then.