The Pete Quiñones Show - 04/17 - Old Glory Club Livestream - They Have to Go Back

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

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Starting point is 00:01:35 Finance provided by way of higher purchase agreement from Volkswagen Financial Services, Ireland Limited. Subject to lending criteria. Terms and conditions apply. Volkswagen Financial Services Ireland Limited. Trading as Cooper Financial Services is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Pony Express Radio. I am Paul Fahrenheit standing in for our fearless leader Red Hawk, who is out this week. after a very long work week.
Starting point is 00:02:44 I am joined this evening by a bunch of very good friends of mine who have decided to be guests with us this evening. So first and foremost, we have Mr. Pete Cignonas. Welcome back, Pete. Glad to be back. Glad to be back. Outstanding, thank you. We are also joined by Mr. Frost. How are you doing, sir?
Starting point is 00:03:03 Doing all right. Could be better, but pollen's going to pollen. Yeah, that's absolutely correct. And finally, we are also joined by a good friend of Mr. Cook, how are you doing, sir? Doing good, glad to be on. Excellent. Thank you very much. So, gentlemen, I don't want to say it's been a slower news week because there's no such
Starting point is 00:03:21 thing as a slow news week in Trump, too, but it has been a bit less, you know, eventful than the last couple of weeks. However, there have been some, you know, key issues this week. And the first one that I wanted to speak to and I wanted to bring up is the evergreen issue of immigration. immigration has you know we all know this it's been the biggest issue of the administration it's been the biggest issue of this club of this organization of our movement in general is is just the fact that you don't have a country if you don't have borders and if you have a whole bunch of foreign
Starting point is 00:03:59 nationals of all sorts of varieties particularly those who get emptied from prisons and our gangs get sent here this has been the biggest issue and this week this week there was a fight over a particular individual that I guess it, you know, it sort of came to people's attention when some reporter asked Trump while Buckelé, who's president of El Salvador, was visiting the White House. And so this started this huge fight over this guy
Starting point is 00:04:25 whose name, I don't even recall. I know it's something Hispanic. And getting him readmitted to the United States, despite the fact that he was a illegal alien, a foreigner, a foreign alien. he was in a gang, he was in MS-13, if I remember correctly, and he was convicted of several crimes within the United States, not even just like personal crimes.
Starting point is 00:04:52 So I want to hear what you gentlemen have to say about this whole issue. I know we're going to probably watch the interview with President Buckelly, but before we get that started, do you gentlemen have any initial thoughts about this? I don't care what the court say. He doesn't belong here. I'm going to be of the simple position. Weren't they trying to throw him out in 2019, and then he tried seeking asylum?
Starting point is 00:05:17 No, you were here seven years and you didn't do anything, and they caught you. You go back. To add to that, the reason he was trying to claim asylum was because he was afraid of this gang called the 18th Street gang, I believe, is the name of it. That gang was destroyed by President Bakele back in 2020, 2020, 2021. So the reason that he, quote, unquote, feared for his life no longer exist. His home is perfectly safe and habitable for him again. No, absolutely. No, this dude was utterly bad news.
Starting point is 00:05:53 He was, you know, I just from the little bits I've glanced about him, he's almost the botanic ideal of the kind of guy we were trying to get rid of. And I know that a great many Democrats tried to make a fight over, and a bunch of senators were like flying to El Salvador to try to get rid of. him back or something like that. But I want us to, what I would like us to do, go ahead. Buckelly should have, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:19 when the senators showed up there, you know, gave him a tour of Seacott and left it, locked him inside. I think that's a place where they belong. I think he'd be doing Trump a favor, but I don't know if
Starting point is 00:06:37 Trump could withstand that on the international stage. If you have a, world country jailing U.S. senators. I don't know if, you know, it doesn't matter what there is. But, yeah, that would be something great, wouldn't it? I mean, it would be aiding and abetting a prison break. Discover five-star luxury at Trump Dunebeg. Unwind in our luxurious spa.
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Starting point is 00:07:21 Trump on Dunbiog, Kush Faragea. That is true. That is true, aiding and abet. You know, and this is the thing. I don't know if it, I don't, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not familiar with the law, but I believe that there's some kind of law that prevents,
Starting point is 00:07:37 that prevents senators or congressmen or something from going overseas and doing this sort of thing to foreign governments. Do any of you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it's the one they tried to hit Tulsi with. I can't remember what the hell it was. You mean like the Logan Act? Yeah, I think it's the Logan Act.
Starting point is 00:07:58 That sounds familiar. I don't know if the Logan Act would necessarily apply in this sort of a scenario, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I just know that there's like these activists. It disallows private diplomacy with foreign governments. Basically, U.S. citizen cannot engage in communications with foreign governments without authorization from our government. So I guess the loophole would be, since they are a part of the government, are they actually violating the Logan Act? Yeah, I suppose that's right.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Still, I believe it's in principle, the fact that you have senators just going to, foreign countries to advocate on behalf of foreign nationals. It's, it really, you know, I know it's kind of trite to talk about the state that the Congress has reached, but it really does get hit home to us every single day. But I would like if we can, I would like if we can for us to watch this video of this reporter getting absolutely obliterated. I know not all of you have watched it. We're going to have all four minutes of it.
Starting point is 00:09:15 We're going to probably pause and make comments within it just so it's not four minutes of uninterruptive footage. But to be honest with you, when I sat down and watched this, this four minutes flew by in a flash. It was amazing. So, yeah, I really think we should watch this. Damn it, Doug.
Starting point is 00:09:46 It's all good. Oh, here we go. The man who was mistakenly deported, the man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador? Well, let me ask Pam, would you answer that question? Sure, President. First and foremost, he was illegally in our country. He had been illegally in our country. And in 2019, two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court,
Starting point is 00:10:07 ruled that he was a member of MS-13, and he was illegally in our country. Right now, it was a paperwork. It was additional paperwork had needed to be done. that's up to El Salvador if they want to return him. That's not up to us. The Supreme Court ruled president that if, as El Salvador wants to return him, this is international matters, foreign affairs, if they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.
Starting point is 00:10:37 So will you return him to President? And you are doing a great job. Thank you. Can you just also respond to that question? Because, you know, it's asked by CNN, and they always always do. ask it with a slant because they're totally slanted because they don't know what's happening. That's why nobody's watching them. But would you answer that question also?
Starting point is 00:10:56 Yes, gladly. So as Pam mentioned, there's an illegal alien from El Salvador. So with respect to you, he's a citizen of El Salvador. So it's very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as a starting point. as two immigration courts found that he was a member of MS-13. When President Trump declared MS-13 to be a foreign terrorist organization, that meant that he was no longer eligible under federal law,
Starting point is 00:11:28 which I'm sure you know, you're very familiar with the INA, that he was no longer eligible for any form of immigration relief in the United States. So we had a deportation order that was valid, which meant that under our law he's not even allowed to be present in the United States and had to be returned because of the foreign state. terrorist designation. This issue was then by a district court judge completely inverted, and a district court judge tried to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and flying back here. That issue was raised to the Supreme Court, and the
Starting point is 00:12:01 Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful, and its main components were reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador who again is a member of MS-13 which is I'm sure you understand rapes little girls, murderous woman, murderous children is engaged in the most barbaric
Starting point is 00:12:28 activities in the world and I can promise you if he was your neighbor you would move right away. So you don't plan to ask for a... The Supreme Court is asking to... A posit real quick. Pause it real quick after that. So I just want a moment of appreciation for Stephen Miller
Starting point is 00:12:43 and for everything he does. Thank you very much, Mr. Miller. Mr. Miller, Esquire, I guess he's a lawyer. But the fact that the Supreme Court overturned that district court order 9-0, even Amy Coney-Barrant joined it, even whoever the black woman that they have on it, I don't remember her name, even she joined it in that decision. This is so cut in dry.
Starting point is 00:13:13 that even activist judges on the Supreme Court couldn't be seen basically going against this ruling. So I think, gentlemen, I think there's a very serious problem with the district courts in this country. Well, yeah, I mean, how constitutional are they? That's a question I have. I haven't dug deep into that. Yeah, I would like to say Stephen Miller's done a great job with immigration. He's been about immigration, his whole life even when he was in high school. Don't go to his Twitter feed and search the word Israel. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:13:55 can't these courts just be demolished? I assume they were they're just a product of the New Deal regime. They were created by the Congress. They can be abolished by the Congress. Absolutely true.
Starting point is 00:14:12 I mean, one thing, I was, when I was taking a pre, I was taking some pre-law classes in college. And one of the things that kind of struck me when we were learning Supreme Court precedent initially was just how John Marshall, basically from the bench, just decided that the Supreme Court was now a third branch of government, co-equal with the other two. And, you know, in the longest Supreme Court ruling ever, basically added a whole clause to the Constitution in Marbury v. Madison, which is the precedent upon which all other Supreme Court precedent is based. So, just like if you want to talk about the the courts basically having way more power than they should
Starting point is 00:14:52 you that goes all the way back to i think the first supreme court decision that was ever made period yep yeah anyway we can keep playing it in the supreme court Steve was it nine to nothing yes it was a nine zero in our favor in our favor against the district court ruling saying that no district court has the power to compel the foreign policy function of the United States. As Pam said, the ruling solely stated that if this individual at El Salvador's sole discretion was sent back to our country so we could deport him a second time. No version of this legally ends up with him ever living here because he is a citizen of El Salvador. That is the president of El Salvador. Your questions about it per the court can only be directed to him.
Starting point is 00:15:40 I asked, can President Buckele-Way in on this? Do you plan to return him? Well, I also have not suggested that I smuggle a terrorist into the United States, right? How can I smuggle? How can I return him to the United States? It's like I smuggle him into the United States or whether I do the course. I'm not going to do it. It's like, I mean, the question is preposterous. How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States?
Starting point is 00:16:06 I don't have the power to return him to the United States. But you can release him inside of the federal. Yeah, but I'm not releasing, I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country. I mean, you just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country of the Western Hemisphere, and you want us to go back into the releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world. And that's not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, I mean, there's a fascination. They would love it. Yeah, they're sick. These are sick people. Mark, did you have something to say about it? Yeah, I mean, Steve and I outlined, I don't understand what the confusion is.
Starting point is 00:16:40 This individual is a citizen of El Salvador. He was illegally in the United States, and was returning. to his country. That's where you deport people, back to their country of origin, except for Venezuela that wasn't refusing to take people back of places like that. I can tell you this, Mr. President. No, the foreign policy of the United States is conducted by the President of the United States, not by a court. And no court in the United States has a right to conduct the foreign policy of the United States. It's that simple.
Starting point is 00:17:04 So pause that real quick. So there was another Supreme Court case that was decided in the in the 1930s, I believe. It was called Curtis Wright v. United States. United States. It was about the Curtis Wright airplane company selling airplane machine guns to, I think it was Paraguay during the Chaco War, which is a much-forgotten conflict. But with the, the, the, I think. You catch them in the corner of your eye, distinctive by design. They move you, even before you drive. The new Cooper plug-in hybrid range. For Mentor, Leon, and Terri. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2,000 euro. Search Coopera and discover our latest offers.
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Starting point is 00:19:28 was basically the reason that this was brought up was that Curtis Wright sold these machine guns to Paraguay in violation of an embargo that was placed on Paraguay, I think by the executive branch. and so the decision of that Supreme Court case because it hit on a very sophisticated point of law basically the decision of the United States is what's called the sole organ doctrine right the sole organ doctrine what this basically means
Starting point is 00:19:56 is that the foreign policy of the United States must be conducted through the executive branch you know things like treaties things like official binding resolutions you know all this other stuff that goes through Congress. However, immediate foreign policy and immediate foreign relations of any kind must be conducted through the president. And so what these courts are functionally doing is they're in violation of that doctrine in the sense that they are imposing upon the executive branch,
Starting point is 00:20:31 upon the presidency in particular, a, you know, constraints as to how he is supposed to act in foreign policy. So this, I think that's, you know, this is, the reason I wanted to play this whole video is simply because I want to demonstrate, you know, I think we all know this, but I just, you know, I want it to be made absolutely clear that the United States is currently functioning
Starting point is 00:20:56 so far in violation of its own law and statute, in non-enforcement of its own law and statute that it's, it's just, it's disgusting. Well, I mean, and that's one of the reasons why a president who can go in there and start, be the executive that the, even just the law allows,
Starting point is 00:21:20 is going to look like a dictator. Because, I mean, we, listen to what that reporter asked. That reporter asked President Bucheli if he would release the terrorist into his own country. As somebody who was in El Salvador a month ago, and considers it to be safer than any blue city or big city in this country, what's he supposed to say to those people? What's he supposed to say to a CNN reporter?
Starting point is 00:21:48 I mean, these people want to punish the average person. They want the person on the street to be scared, and they get to go to their high-rise or they get to go to their gated community. These people are the enemy. We are surrounded by the enemy. The enemy controls the narrative in many cases. We need an executive who governs in a way that they understand that. And I'm hoping one comes along one day or somebody wakes up.
Starting point is 00:22:27 I absolutely agree with that. I mean, even though El Salvador is a small place and it's a much smaller area to exercise influence over, if you can take a place that's that bad and almost overnight make it literally the leading country in the Western Hemisphere for safety. You can fix Chicago. You can fix Chicago. You can fix L.A.
Starting point is 00:22:51 You can fix San Francisco. You can fix New York. You can fix Boston. You can fit all of these cities. You can fix Miami. You can fix all of them. Because with the exception of maybe New York, which one of them has, El Salvador is 6.6.6. million people. Which one of them has
Starting point is 00:23:09 6.6 million people in New York, maybe Orange County, maybe L.A. It could be done. Eric Prince could do it in a weekend. Yeah. I agree. I completely agree. And it's literally just a lack of will. Ever since the 1970s, people have just been unable to conceive
Starting point is 00:23:29 of cities as anything other than where we just let people be criminals for whatever reason because we just let them be criminals there. the criminal storage place. No, I completely agree. I completely agree. Either of you gentlemen have anything, Mr. Frost or Mr. Cook.
Starting point is 00:23:49 I'm just fundamentally, it's one of those things. I feel like there needs to be a better way of tightening up states documentation. Like how was an illegal able to get married here and have that be on documentation? Like that should have been in In addition to that, I don't want to say tax filing but the IRS has really been dropping the ball
Starting point is 00:24:17 on that because ICE could have been handling that for how many decades at this point of oh wait, you're filing taxes, you're illegal, off you go in one of those things. Like it's the documentation of we don't know where they are
Starting point is 00:24:34 is certainly a lie because they've been getting tax returns. that's yeah that's i think the the most insulting thing about all of this is that i mean these people have been issued social security numbers these people have as you say gotten merit certificates have gotten tax returns have have done all these other things and they've just been treated almost the exact same sometimes a little bit better than american citizens who are required to do all the same things and the american citizens are liable for the consequences of not complying with these legal documents but because these people are not
Starting point is 00:25:10 legal. These people are illegal, they can simply vanish, you know, or they can improperly do things. And that's the least, that is, of course, the least of the problems that they bring here, but it's, it's the insult to the injury. It's the fact that, you know, this, this guy had a
Starting point is 00:25:26 merit certificate. He wasn't even, he wasn't even a legal resident alien. It's, I don't know. Not only that, I'd like to just comment on something that Miller said
Starting point is 00:25:41 in the video. This gang, MS-13, for the general viewers and those you who may not know, look up some of the crimes that they've, that those gangbangers have committed in the States. It's like ghastly. Don't do it around your wives or girlfriends. Yeah, it's ghastly.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Like, anybody who's a member of this gang, it's not like you're dropping off a car or whatever. Like, you're doing some really, really messed up stuff. And I don't want you, I don't want you within a thousand miles of the southern border of this country, let alone living in it and getting married in it. Jesus Christ. It's spelled deportation.
Starting point is 00:26:19 It's so true. It's so true. No, Mr. Cook, I grew up in Northern Virginia, as most everyone in the audience knows. And MS-13 had probably one of the largest presences in the United States in Northern Virginia, particularly in Loudoun and Fairfax counties and in Arlington and Alexandria and all that. And I would hear, they weren't in the particular area I was in, at least not heavy,
Starting point is 00:26:50 but I would hear all kinds of things growing up. There were kids who would be getting gun down at bus stops. And some of the richest counties in the United States, you know, girls would just disappear and then would be found in pieces. Or, you know, people would be, like it's a mafia movie. some people were found, you know, hung up on a hook and an abandoned building somewhere in some industrial area. It's, it's, you know, and that's the least of, you know, I remember was, and the fear, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:23 that they, that they had, particularly amongst, you know, I'm not here to, they're, I'm not going to, I don't know if I should tell this story, but there was, there was an incident where I was working with some Salvadorians and I made a joke and they, they almost said like, like, look, don't do that or you'll get killed. They will kill you. You know, if they find out that you're, you know, making jokes about them. So I'm frankly very glad that this whole group of people is gone, that they've been eliminated and exterminated by,
Starting point is 00:27:53 and I hope Trump finishes the job of flushing out the remnants. Yes, the treatment they should they get is the fire and the sword. That's my take. Precisely. process stuff they're crying about to hell with that. No. No. And speaking of fire and swords, they cost money.
Starting point is 00:28:14 So thank the good lord that I think ICE is getting a huge budget increase. Yeah, right here. You have to use that, right? You have to use it and you have to have the will to use it. I mean, I think... Sorry, go ahead, Pete.
Starting point is 00:28:35 I have something to say about this when you're done. Sure. I think we know that if this doesn't happen there I mean we're we're in for even if it does happen
Starting point is 00:28:51 we may be in for civil war but we can talk about we can actually talk about that later no we absolutely can because we've got something we're going to talk about with that but no absolutely I think one of the issues too and correct me if I'm wrong but one of the
Starting point is 00:29:06 one of the things I've been hearing a lot of our guys kind of complain about is like, oh, where are the mass deportations? Why aren't they happening? Why aren't they happening? And I understand in some respect why they're saying that. I, of course, you know, don't respect the fact that they're doubting the plan. That said, this is a revolutionary administration in the sense that they are ripping out an entire infrastructure, an entire bureaucracy that is purpose-built to ensure something like this does not happen, and they're completely rebuilding it from the ground up. And they're doing a pretty good friggin job of it, considering it's only been, what, three months, four months? You know, it, this is not,
Starting point is 00:29:49 we're not year three of the Trump administration. We're doing this. We're on like month three or month four. And they've already, I don't mean to keep singing Trump's praises, but I'm going to keep singing Trump's praises, like, a lot of the issues and the difficulties they've run into is simply manpower shortages. They don't have enough ICE agents to do all of the deportations they want to do. So seeing something like this, I think is very heartening. But Mr. Cook, you had something. Yes, so this budget increase, so for your elucidation, on the House side, and I think on the Senate side too, ICE and border security falls under the jurisdiction of the Homeland Security Committee.
Starting point is 00:30:36 And a couple of my friends who work on that committee had been saying that they were really trying to push for this ever since Trump was sworn in because ICE has had a lot of budget issues in the past. It had a lot of manpower issues, especially under Biden. Morale was very low. You had agents wanting to get transferred to the northern, border where at least they could like perform some basic resemblance of their enforcement duties and a lot of the to give the republicans and congress credit the guys that are
Starting point is 00:31:08 on the homeland security committee really really pushed hard for this increase and spent a lot of time behind the scenes uh getting assurances from a lot of the rank and file members that they would support this so i do think it's important to um give credit where credit is due here and also kind of reassure people that, although Congress does kind of suck for the most part, there are good people in it that are trying to help the president realize one of his most important goals. I mean, you would know better than me on that. I'm very grateful to those congressmen on the Homeland Security Committee then. If they were able to get this past, you know, look, wars are won by logistics and logistics is money. You know, so if you don't
Starting point is 00:31:54 have the money to deport the people that need to be deported, then, I mean, you're not going to deport them, frankly. The will is here. This is the thing. The will to deport in the administration is here. They just
Starting point is 00:32:10 need everything else. Let's just hope Eric Prince gets some money to help the deportations out of this. Yeah. That would be something. All right, gentlemen, I think we're all good on this. Excellent. So before, Mr. Pete, we discussed the coming Civil War,
Starting point is 00:32:38 let's take a break from the news real quick and talk about the last Civil War, particularly the meetup that we had in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, the weekend before last. I was here. Mr. Frost was here. Mr. Cook was here. And gentlemen, we wanted to have you on to just discuss the event to tell everyone in the audience what you thought about it. I would say someone closer to the planning aspect with the Delaware Crossing Society
Starting point is 00:33:10 taking point on that, this was a smashing success. It for a while looked like we weren't going to eclipse our Valley Forge event that we had thrown together in November, and then at the last minute it just blew up with people signing up. I mean, we had someone show up from the Florida Dogs chapter.
Starting point is 00:33:28 Like, in Florida, out of the blue. That's impressive. I would say the weather couldn't get any better than that. Like, misting in the beginning, dry the rest of the time, wasn't too muddy on the reenactment of Pickett's Charge and just crossing at that section of the field. We had probably the best tour guide we ever could for the money.
Starting point is 00:33:58 I would agree with that. The tour guide was very well versed in the history and the lore of the battle and was a great orator, a modern Cicero, if you will. Well, that's awesome, gentlemen. So what was the, what was the shape of the tour? How did it start out? What were the, what was the kind of the assembly of the gentleman present there? Ready for huge savings?
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Starting point is 00:35:37 it was more northerner I'll give them that we had we had a contingent show up from the Ivy League Society yeah how many chapters were there we had six official chapters two proto chapters
Starting point is 00:35:53 showed up six chapters of the OGC showed up to this event yes and what was the total attendance it was 47 when all of a sudden done so so 47 guys from six chapters and of course two nascent chapters that haven't incorporated yet showed up to this event.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Wow. And were they well behaved? Were they, you know, was there any problems or was it there just a general feeling of brotherhood throughout the event? I would say, I'll use this example. The first March that you led through Gettysburg, water was kind of the left. Last logistic everyone thought about, nobody really had it. Everybody brought water. Everybody was cognizant about their trash, snacks, everything, water.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Nothing was left. It was perfect. Everyone controlled themselves. There was no craziness. Got a little slow at certain points, but someone had to pull up the rear. Yeah, outstanding. Mr. Cook, I know that you're a very studied historian of the war between the states, and I wanted your
Starting point is 00:37:15 opinion as to how well the the historical aspect and the and the recreation of the battle went during the tour. Oh, you do me great honor, a studied historian, putting that on my resume. But I think that it was very well done. there was, you know, much deserved respect paid to the men of the North and the South
Starting point is 00:37:43 that fought at Gettysburg. The way that the tour was conducted was done, I think, very, very well. I really liked the way that we finished off with Pickets Charge. That was definitely my favorite part. I'm sure many other people who were there probably have the same same feelings about it.
Starting point is 00:38:09 And yeah, I would rate it a smashing success overall. And for those among us who probably didn't know some of the specifics about the battle, I think it's very safe to say they came away with a better knowledge, better understanding,
Starting point is 00:38:22 and a very deep appreciation of what happened on those fields in July in 1863. If I may add, one thing that was interesting to some of the members from the DCS chapter that really hit home, especially with the image that
Starting point is 00:38:39 is shown that was from a little round top. A bunch of us had done paintball. It was kind of an unofficial thing. It was just, you know, guys getting together going up, doing paintball. And we got our rear ends kicked. The enemy pushed us back. We were trying to break through, but
Starting point is 00:38:55 just couldn't. We have shoes on. It's not hot. We have water. We're well-equipped and we just can't break through. Those guys charged up that rocky Hill, barefoot in 90 degree heat,
Starting point is 00:39:10 full sun, getting shot at. With a heavy-ass musket. I don't think many of us could do it. It was truly a different type of man that participated in that. Would either of you gentlemen
Starting point is 00:39:32 go on this sort of event again? Would you recommend other people, whether they're members of the OGC or interested in joining or just, you know, adjacent, but if the event be open to, this wasn't open to the public, but if the event, you know, something like this was open to the public or some, would you recommend people come to this? Would you come to something like this again? As I recommended on the not state of the union, state of the union address, find your local chapters, sign up. It was the ticket, you just showed up for the tour itself. It was free.
Starting point is 00:40:09 there was no money involved you just had to be a member stuff like this it's kind of the lowest bar you just have to get in there and help these chapters grow network there are multiple benefits to it but
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Starting point is 00:41:44 Find the group of guys who are trying to set up. And, hey, I had little to no involvement in the political sphere at all, online. And then somehow in this chapter secretary of the DCS in a matter of months, like, you can just do things. Absolutely. Mr. Cook, you have anything else? I think for us pretty much summed up how I felt very well. I will add a corollary, though. I highly encourage local OGC chapters to find some historical sites closer to town
Starting point is 00:42:26 and have your own sort of guided tours, walkthroughs, whatever. If you've got a Revolutionary War battlefield or a Civil War battlefield near you, doing something like this is one, it's a great way to build brotherhood and brotherly love. Two, if you organize like, you know, trash pickups, I did notice some trash on the battlefield that I tried to pick up when I could, but I only had, you know, two hands in a couple pockets.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Cleaning up these kinds of historical sites is definitely something that's well worth the club's time, in my opinion. And it also has the potential to build relationships among people in these chapters and also with the national parks, the local residents, and the general public at large. So I think that these kinds of events are an excellent vector for our energies, and I really am looking forward to the next one. Outstanding.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah, and honestly, I just kind of on your point, because you brought up something I was thinking about. I was in the Virginia chat today of the, you know, Vetus Dominium, first, first ever chapter of the OGC. I have to always say that. They were talking about possibly adopt it. I don't know if other states have this, but in Virginia, you can adopt a road. There's a sign that they'll put up and it'll have your organizations or your name on it if you do trash pickups on that road. And it's a nice community building thing.
Starting point is 00:43:58 And they were talking about doing that. And so it doesn't have to necessarily just be a historic. outside, although we very much care about historic preservation within the OGC, but even something like picking up trash on a local road, making it look nicer, making it look like people care about that. This is the type of stuff that the OGC is here for is, you know, those 10,000 little things that make a civilization well inhabited and well lived in. So that's, you know, that's just something, you know, you don't have to just limit it to historical battlefields. You can step off the battlefield field too and step back into the present and take that same inspiration, that same,
Starting point is 00:44:36 that same energy and bring it into your day-to-day lives. And that's how you make real change. So, yeah, that's just something I wanted to sort of add to that. Pete, I know you weren't there, but just from someone who wasn't there, how did this whole event sound? How does this all sound like, does it sound like something that the OGC, the OGC would be proud to have its name attached to? Definitely, definitely.
Starting point is 00:44:59 And, you know, all over, all over the south where I am, you know, I'm not far from, pretty much everywhere I drive in my area, there's a monument to the war. And, you know, there's, this is something we should, all of the, all of the chapters, especially the ones, you know, south of the Mason, Dixon should be, should be doing. you know, it's a cheap get together and it's a good time for camaraderie. Outstanding. I think it's in Lee County, Alabama. I've seen this marker when I was in college down there. There is a marker where the 15th Alabama, who were the Southerners who charged up the flank of Little Roundtop, 20th Maine. If you've seen the movie Gettysburg, you know what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:45:53 There's a marker in Lee County, Alabama. I believe, where they mustered up in 1861 when the war began. The South is full of those little things, if you just look. Absolutely. Yeah, it was, I don't want to go too much on a talk about this, but it was like the male populations of entire southern towns and sometimes even entire southern counties that marched off to fight in 1861. Yeah, like, I know this isn't war between the states,
Starting point is 00:46:28 but I mean, I live like 35 minutes from Port Shoebend. Anyone who knows their Andrew Jackson, Laura, should know where that is. And that actually reminds me, you know, for those of you who may be a bit further west or you may be in an area where there aren't like civil war battlefields or anything like that, I guarantee you there's something near you. There's something. Out west, you have all kinds of Indian forts. You know, I mean, all the ones I think of now are army bases.
Starting point is 00:46:56 I don't know if you should have an event there. But there are a bunch of Indian forts out there. There's geological formations. There's state parks, national parks. It doesn't have to just be a battlefield. It could be something that's a creation of God's hands that you have in your state that's unique there. Anything, anything that's near you, I guarantee you there's something. Unless you're in Kansas.
Starting point is 00:47:24 you know i if you're if you're in if you're i know the wichita o gc is here i'm just you know you can do something at dodge city i think i think that's uh i think that's that actually no kansas kansas has some stuff you know dodd city is is a good example you could have like a cowboy white erp event there i know we've got a wichita guys here i'm not i'm not picking on you kansas um but yeah no there's always there has to be something near you something near you and all you have to do is just go and find it. And you too, your chapter, your group of guys can have an event that is as special as what this Gettysburg event was. All right. Does anyone have any final thoughts on this before we move on? Next time we'll reenact Pickett charge and we'll win by God.
Starting point is 00:48:19 If, look, if Pickett and Pedigrew and all the others couldn't do it, then I don't know, I don't think we can. All right. Before we move on to the next topic, I think we're going to hit these super chats real quick. So, first one from TK for $5. Wichita OGC represent. I was just picking on Kansas. Wichita OGC represent, eat it, solid snack, salute, salute. Well, thank you very much, Mr. TK. And I hope that the Home Range Society out there in Kansas is doing well. C.J. L for $2. Thank you very much. He says all solutions, all our solutions, excuse me, are Fed posts. Well, I mean, not quite.
Starting point is 00:49:04 You know, a lot of our solutions are boring sounding and are limited to a court of law. But, you know, outside of that, I agree. A great many of our solutions are fed posts. Aramaic discourse for $5. He says, the deportations will continue until morale approves. By God, I hope so. Thank you very much, sir. Don Browning for $20 sends a woman with a ponytail.
Starting point is 00:49:32 Well, thank you very much, Don Browning. Always here. High powered for $20 says, FYI, COVID-FHA home loss mitigation ends September 31st. There are potentially hundreds of thousands that could hit the market because of this. That's actually a pretty great FYI in my judgment. Any of you in the market for a house, if that FHA stuff ends on September 31st, you might be able to pick something up for the cheap. Hope that doesn't cause a follow-on market bubble. But, oh, well.
Starting point is 00:50:11 Hunger for five U.S. dollars. He says, Stephen Miller is my favorite bagel town resident, and Bukle is my favorite Palestinian. You know, on that hunger, I saw something on the timeline today where some, leftist was talking about Claudia Steinbaum or whoever, like getting the Mexican military to go to El Salvador for a special military operation. And then someone quote tweeted and said, I don't know if a Jew making, a Jew making war on a Palestinian is a good look. So I thought that was very funny. Wow. No matter where you go, that particular conflict just seems to spring up everywhere. Well, if I remember correctly, El Salvador doesn't even border Mexico.
Starting point is 00:50:55 There's like Guatemala between the two. Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah. Oh, man. I know a great deal about Guatemala because I did a research project on Jorge O'Bucco Castaniera, who was the dictator there in World War II. He was an interesting fellow. They called him the Napoleon of America, which was extremely flattering.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Balero 393 for five U.S. dollars. Thank you very much, sir. He says, Stephen Miller knows Barabas was the wrong choice and is making up for it. Happy Easter, everyone. Yeah, indeed, happy Easter. You know, today is Mondi Thursday.
Starting point is 00:51:34 So tomorrow will be good Friday. I hope everyone had a very good holy week, and I hope everyone will have a very good Easter this weekend. Machiavelli sucks. Being white is great for $4.99. He says, they are jokes. Bring it. I think this was in relation to the
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Starting point is 00:52:32 And if I'm wrong, correct me later. Mellon for $5. He says, Melon was also at the Gettysburg event. He says, there were boomers following us around to hear our tour guide speak and just join in the energy of the thing. Oh, that's something. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, I remember hearing
Starting point is 00:52:54 some people rumble of oh don't interrupt on their professional tour so that was funny to hear it's like a bunch of dudes getting together we have a couple flags
Starting point is 00:53:10 it's all we need I mean shoot like if it looks the part I guess and Mellon was the first member of DCS for Delaware Crossing Society so he will always have a special
Starting point is 00:53:24 place in a heart. Yeah. Mel, Melon's done a lot of great work back when we were doing the relief work in North Carolina. I met him at the Gettysburg event. I was, you know, very happy to meet him. Seasider for $10 sends a salute. Man, Seasider, you've been slacking. You've been slacken. We're very
Starting point is 00:53:42 grateful for your, for your consistent support. But you've been slacking, man. You're losing your place. Now, as a matter of fact, people are now sending in super chats to let us know that you have lost your place. So, I don't know, man. Hunger for $50 U.S. dollars.
Starting point is 00:54:02 I think that deserves some gold. This is gold, Mr. Bond. All my life I've been in love with its color. I welcome any enterprise that will increase my stock. So for those of you who don't know, that clip is from a movie called Kelly's Heroes, which is my favorite World War II movie. It's a great movie.
Starting point is 00:54:26 It's a clean Eastwood movie. It's like, it was kind of like, It was like the 1970s version of the expendables where you just have all the top actors of the day just come together for an unsurious action film. But it's a great movie. I love it dearly. But Hunger for 50 U.S. dollars, he says, on behalf of the Delaware Crossing Society and the planning committee,
Starting point is 00:54:49 I want to personally thank everyone who attended the Gettysburg tour. You can never undersell these things. The camaraderie was fantastic. The dinner was white pilling. and the experience was very visceral. I highly encourage everyone not to miss out on the next one. Well, thank you, Hunger. Yeah, we didn't even talk about the dinner that we had afterwards.
Starting point is 00:55:08 That, I think, that was like that, that was the icing on the cake, the, the whole environment of the, of the tavern we were in. It was, it was wonderful. All right, yeah, thank you very much, hunger. And then finally, Paladin Y, Y, Y, Z for $20. He says, that White House meeting was scripted like a bad reader's digest riddle. How many attorneys does it take to buy a plane ticket? Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Yeah. I don't think SNL could write a funnier skit if they tried. No, no, that was the funniest thing about it. It was an SNL skit. It's like, I think what, you know, I'm a historian by education, and I think what, and all that history is really is, is the amassing of facts in order to create narratives. And I think the narrative that'll be created, or at least one of the narratives that'll be created around Trump is the fact that he turned, his revolution was that he was able to turn politics into entertainment, which made things like SNL and stuff obsolete because you don't need SNL when the actual politics is the show.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And that's actually not new. American politics have been a carnival for a very long time. It just changes the type of entertainment. And yeah, no, that was an S&L skit where, you know, it's like, you know, Trump's like, hey, A.G, answer that. Now, Stephen Miller, answer that. Now, President Bukele, who's sitting next to me, how about you answer that? Now, little Marco, yapping dog. How about you answer that? You know, it's, it's, it, you couldn't, you couldn't write better comedy. All right. And then finally, before we get, move on to our next topic. Mr. Thomas Wayne Riley for $5. He says, this is a fantastic idea. Thankfully, New Mexico has battlefields as well and plenty of old frontier forts. If you're in New Mexico, email the OGC immediately. Yeah, no, Mexico had, in all honesty, one of I think the most horrifying parts of the Civil War
Starting point is 00:57:22 with General Sibley's ill-fated expedition into New Mexico. You read about what the Texans who had to march back through the New Mexico desert, like the harshest part of it, after the Confederates were defeated, it's horrifying. All right, that finishes up our super chats for now. Thank you all for your patronage as per usual, and we will now move on into our next topic. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:56 So, recently, as I think as of the 14th, 4chan, which many credit as the originating platform, of of this whole culture we all inhabit this sort of online political sphere 4chan was taken down
Starting point is 00:58:25 by hackers and you are looking at what I think whether or not it's actually the last post on 4chan I think is less relevant this is in popular memory as to what will be the last post on 4chan and it's just
Starting point is 00:58:42 making fun of the stupid Minecraft movie. Yeah, I think, what is it? I know it was a bunch of hackers that took it down and there was a bunch of metadata that was released and the website was in utter shambles and very few people still use it. But it had its place and it very much spawned a lot of the, you know, even our linguistic signifiers, you know, little turns of phrase and memes and things like that. it has inspired our everyday speech.
Starting point is 00:59:15 And so I guess we wanted to talk about 4chan and sort of the role it had in spawning this online scene and kind of what its vanishment, it's being taken down sort of signifies. It's the data that came out showing that the overwhelming majority of the posts that were on there came from
Starting point is 00:59:45 Israeli IPs is interesting considering I mean I assume a good amount of those are from VPNs but also you know I think we're pretty we know what unit 80200 and what the JIDF was was up to especially in the in the early in the early tens in the early 2010s but um yeah i mean this is i've never i've never posted on there but go on the boards and read i was a stone cold lurker and i mean everybody talks about everybody talks about poll but there were places you can find recipes
Starting point is 01:00:32 there were places you could find exercises it was uh yeah i mean yeah rest in peace i guess i want to see more meta information come out so we can know exactly what was going on there. Yeah, I missed the golden era of poll. I was mostly on Lit, actually, because I fancied myself an intellectual when I was in college. But Lit, you know, really did contribute to, you know, someone like me who had never read in my life actually going and finding great books to read. And it set me on a path of enriching my inner life. I'm going to take a weird take here
Starting point is 01:01:23 I mean I'm elder Gen Z so I kind of missed out on the golden age of pole dash 4chan before everything kind of went chaotic in like 2018, 2019 that's when it started really changing at least from what I had seen I think
Starting point is 01:01:45 our sphere as a whole kind of outgrew it to a degree like this I don't want to say plug ourselves, the OGC is one of the fruit it bore before dying, but we're meeting in person, we're doing things beyond just talking online, which is, frankly, an even better outcome than just if it had kept going and kept sustaining itself as an entity. I agree with that. I think that's the correct take from this, is that, you know, the 4chan is kind of the very, you know, for all the things you can, could describe it. It was certainly crass, crude, immature, all those words could be used to describe
Starting point is 01:02:31 it for good or for ill. And I think the take that we've outgrown it is the right one to take. Mr. Cook, do you have anything on 4chan? No, not really. I'm kind of like, Frost. I was a elder Gen Z, so I was never on like 4chan or Reddit. I was too busy doing other things in college. I didn't really even get politically active until almost near graduation. So I saw this news today and I kind of just like, oh, well, that happened. Yeah, and I guess that really speaks to the place that 4chan had fallen to is it's like, no one, I, I don't, what is it, I did not go on it. I have not been on it for years. And it just, because there's nothing of value there anymore. I also assume that there's a lot of like weird fed, you know, honey pots and honey traps and just, you know,
Starting point is 01:03:25 stuff and yeah a lot of porn really unappetizing stuff um but you know we wanted to mention this I suppose
Starting point is 01:03:42 not just because 4chan falling is is a big deal I guess culturally even though poor chan is more like I guess it's kind of like the collapse of the Roman Empire when Odo Ocker took it over it was already it was already rather
Starting point is 01:03:57 rather gone but you know it finally did fall But something I think it signifies and it shows a wider symbolism of is just I've noticed a seed change recently in the online sphere and our online political sphere. It seems, you know, a lot of post, I'm not going to name names, but like a lot of posters who used to be great have been kind of emulating themselves on the timeline, making themselves look like fools, you know, just, you know, not even necessarily selling out, although you could say there's an element of. of that, more so just kind of becoming their own memes. And the quality of the timeline, to say nothing of
Starting point is 01:04:38 Elon's innovations, of the fact that only 30% of India is on the internet, all these other things. I really think that there's a seed change, a major we talk about vibe shifts. I think there's a
Starting point is 01:04:54 vibe shift happening in our sort of online political sphere as well. And this is something that's signifies it. Do you gentlemen see what I see? Do you agree, disagree? Yeah, I'd say it's a changing of the guard really, to be honest. Some people have lost their
Starting point is 01:05:15 niche, or it's been so long since the thing that gave them their rise to prominence is kind of run out. And what, you know, what Zach Frisbee here in the comments said is, you know, much of Twitter is now 4chan, basically. you know, people are, there are some people who are getting banned, but I mean, it's not like it used to be. Yeah, I suppose that is true.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Around 2016 time frame, that's when, you know, like the, really the golden era of posters is when that started. And yeah, you know, all the people, that was when all the, all the people of all the various forums, you know, whether it was the Salo Forum or others, just decided to step out of their little niche hidey holes and come into the light on this great public agorum. that was Twitter and now it seems like people are starting to go back into the other way. They're starting to, you know, they realize that the public square is getting full of grifters and really just slop and all these other things. And they realize that the only thing of substance and value will now be found back in similar niche hidey holes just of a different sort, whether it's group chats or other things. I will also say, like, if you aggressively, you know, curate your timeline on Twitter against, like, Slop and Grifters,
Starting point is 01:06:40 the Gryfters aren't that hard to spot, in my opinion, for the most part, like, once you've kind of seen it happen a couple times, I've, that's what I've been doing, and my timeline's not, not, not too bad. Sure, no, I understand that. But the thing is, is the fact that you have to, you know, you have the muted words and the blocked accounts and stuff like that, that you have to put in so much effort. to curtail your timeline. At that point, people are just going to go, they're just not even going to bother putting in that effort. Most people are just going to delete the app and go somewhere else where it's, if there is somewhere else.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I don't think Gab's going to replace it. Do you think all the 4chan people will move to, like, Reddit or something? I mean, you know, there was a time when Reddit used to be like 4chan, you know, when it was almost as bad. And then the left took it over. Yeah, I think I'll, what was I going to say about, yeah, I think Twitter is, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Scratch that thought. I apologize. Send all the fortune people to Quora or something like that. No, absolutely. But, you know, with the sort of seed chains that's happened, and I really, what I think it is, I think it's because. posting existed, it was created in 2015 to get Trump into the White House. And it did. And then when Trump was removed from the White House, it was given a new lease on life to keep the fire alive until Trump came back and then get him in the White House a second time. And now that we have gotten him in the White House a second time, I think people are kind of, you know, it's like, you know, when a great crusade comes to an end, you've achieved.
Starting point is 01:08:37 your goal and it's like okay well now what and lots of people are kind of left pondering is like well you know what's my whole raise on detra for posting in the first place most of what i complained about has been either either is being addressed or you know is not relevant anymore and you know when you have that kind of lose of momentum loss of momentum rather uh especially when you you know you get the big man who fixes that's unfortunately that's just how right wangers think is they think in terms of get the big man in who fixes things. And, you know, that can work. And with Trump, it seems to be.
Starting point is 01:09:14 But the problem is, is when you lose that raison d'etra, you know, it's like you want to go back to grilling. You want to go back to normal life, to normal hobbies, to not being politically involved in it. And unfortunately, I don't, I think that's the wrong response. I think that's a horrible response. I think even doubly so because this week, a leftist wrote something about,
Starting point is 01:09:36 all of us that I think is very telling as to where they are right now mentally off of their defeat. Well, I mean, you know, the question, one of the questions about this whole thing with Fortune is, who did it and what was the purpose of it? You know, was it a left kind of movement who's fighting back against, you know, Trump being elected? And, you know, remember, they may not be saying this, but I mean, the last president of the United States said it, you know, anyone who would even think to not only support Trump, but not call Trump a fascist, is their enemy. They consider you to be the enemy. It's a very Zionist kind of idea where you're, you can't just be, oh, you know, well, I'm, I'm kind of neutral on Israel. No, you have to actually be, you have to be pro, pro-Zionist, or you're
Starting point is 01:10:38 consider their enemy. Well, these leftists, whatever you want to call them, communists, socialists, insane progressives, they, they're not going away. And we have some that are, you know, actually openly and publicly saying, okay, well, these people who support Trump or, you know, support his policies, don't even have to support Trump. When do we start killing them. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, and here's what I want to say to people, too. This is a message
Starting point is 01:11:17 to everyone who saw that. And everyone who had the, their immediate reaction was, oh, this is a theater kid. Oh, this is, if it came to it, you'd never, no. These, the theater kids were the ones killing priests in Spain. These are the people who do this. okay you don't the the homosexuals they're the ones who do it okay they're the ones that get radicalized
Starting point is 01:11:49 they're the ones that have nothing to lose because they have nothing in the there's no legacy for them if you don't take this seriously you're i mean as far as i'm concerned you're not part of you're not part of anything i'm building because these are the exact people who start this kind of thing. And these are the exact people who pull the trigger on old ladies and pull the trigger on priests and nuns and dig up nuns and disinterned nuns and mock their bodies. And as, you know, I mentioned earlier and, you know, Paul and I did an episode a couple years ago, there is violence coming in this country. I don't think it's going to be cover the whole nation, but there is going to be pockets of it and large pockets of it.
Starting point is 01:12:39 and if you don't believe that, if you're looking around and you don't believe that, yeah, I don't, I don't really want to have any, I don't know that I can even, you know, call you, you know, comrade or friend. I think it just comes down to the fundamental thing of never underestimate your enemy. Simple as that.
Starting point is 01:13:02 They might, they might be a pushover theater kid if they actually fight someone that's willing to fight back, but until that happens, they are the most dangerous threat. Yeah. I mean, like, for me, something that I've been really frustrated with the last few years is
Starting point is 01:13:20 a lot of people I know will use the, oh, he's a weak little theater kid, or oh, they're like, you know, not going to fight us because of their soy lattes are going to run out. Then they'll, like, surrender or whatever the hell the weird boomer cope is. Like, there's plenty of other examples
Starting point is 01:13:36 of, you know, leftists basically saying we want to kill you and we're looking for the perfect opportunity to do it. And there's plenty of examples. where they've actually like engaged in this behavior. And it's kind of one of those things where it's like, they're telling you what they want. They're telling you who they are. And you're sitting here like sticking your head in the sand saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:13:55 It's, you know, it's like, that's how you end up as a, as part of the casualty figure of shit hitting the fan. Like, do you do you, do morons think that just because these, you know, that their anti-second amendment stuff thinks that they want to take guns away from the, no, they want to take your guns away. They don't, they want, they want to use guns to kill you, all right? Like these weak theater kids can pull triggers and can be taught to shoot just as well as anything else, right? You know, in my five years of service in the National Guard, I have seen that you can teach just about anyone to shoot very quickly. It is, it can be done in an afternoon. If you have the ammo for it, it can be done in an afternoon. It doesn't take a lot of ammo, right?
Starting point is 01:14:43 you can teach anyone to shoot you can teach anyone to drive a tank you can teach anyone to pilot a drone like what what is missing is will right and the fact that you know i look at this article and i look at this this individual right um you know who looks like a complete winner uh based on based on his profile but you look at them and and you know like if you haven't been listening to the stuff pete has been doing on the spanish civil war you need to be. If you haven't been reading Mystery Grove's articles on the Russian Civil War and what led up to it and the social milieu that was in Russia at the time and before the time, you need to do that. I know a lot of people meme on Mystery Grove. I get it. But read his frigging
Starting point is 01:15:34 substack. Read the articles he writes, especially about the Russian Civil War and the Russian Revolution. right? It is extremely similar to today. The apathy, the mistrust, the media manipulation, the presence of certain groups of people, right? These are the people who, you know, they were the commissars. You know, there were black American commissars in the Bolshevik army. There were Chinese commissars in the Bolshevik army. There were women commissars in the Bolshevik army. There were women commissars in the Bolshevik army. Read about what Nestor MacKno and the Black Army did in the Ukraine if you want to turn your stomach inside out. These are the people like Mr. Decker here. These are the people who currently inhabit a country with you and have a moral imperative within themselves to kill you and to rape your children, to do all of these other horrible things to you. believe that is their moral imperative. And if you believe it cannot happen here, if you believe that war can never touch this continent, it's touched it before, if you believe that civil unrest, that these people can't go out and, and, you know, God forbid, organize, God forbid take over
Starting point is 01:17:04 existing power structures that are friendly to them, because, oh, we have no power structures in the United States. We have no bureaucracies in the United States that are loyal to these people. Oh, no, none at all. None of them who we don't have people who carry guns who would happily turn them, you know, whether it's out of apathy or out of genuine belief on us or other people like
Starting point is 01:17:22 that. You know, oh, no, the military is going to defect. Will it? Will it? Look at this. Look at this on the screen. Right? Look. You have to understand just
Starting point is 01:17:38 because we've gotten Trump in the White House, and just because we've got a friendly administration, you know, in Russia, there was, I forget the name of the guy who was elected the reactionary prime minister who had this knee-jerk reaction. I think it was 10 years before the Russian revolution through a bunch of special courts. He was able to very competently stop this revolution immediately. I don't think you all realize how the future that we, were spared from by Trump having that last minute head turn in Butler. I don't I don't think that's registered to people yet. You know, things just kind of go on as they have been. You know, you go to work every day. You get your paycheck every week. There's food in the grocery stores, et cetera, et cetera,
Starting point is 01:18:27 et cetera, et cetera. And you think that that's never going to end. And you think that nothing's going to be required of you, that you aren't going to have people come and threaten you. And that, you don't have to be building things to prepare for that, building networks to prepare for that, indexing with people to prepare for that. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying it's going to be the apocalypse, but what I am saying is that if you believe,
Starting point is 01:18:55 if you believe that things are just going to be hunky dory and that the leftists, you know, are, you know, these people, who have castrated themselves chemically and have no future or who are homosexuals of any variety or who are, you know, die-hard communist and believe, you know, hook, line, and sinker in everything that the communists have been putting into this country.
Starting point is 01:19:23 And that's, you know, you could blame that on some other groups too. Since, you know, they moved their world headquarters to New York City in the 1890s, and, you know, if you don't believe that all of that isn't going to come to a culmination, isn't going to come to a fulfillment, then you're not in reality. Things are coming.
Starting point is 01:19:47 The OGC and other organizations exist to prepare, but things are coming, and you must prepare. If I may be, what we'll probably see is just more chazas. If you, everyone still can remember May of 2020,
Starting point is 01:20:05 um, As we're coming up on five years of that, it's... They might have been poorly organized. They might have not been armed the best, but they still shot at anybody that threatened them. How many people died because of Chaz? It was a color revolution. There was a color revolution in this country, and people don't want to accept that. I will respectfully not necessarily disagree, but...
Starting point is 01:20:35 like the left does have organized groups like Antifa and Chas and all that but you know especially in like I know in the send like Georgia there's like armed black militia groups like I think it's the not fucking around coalition is what they call themselves like you know and a shit hits the fan scenario like if like their gloves really came off
Starting point is 01:20:57 those people would definitely go crazy well I was going to say I've I've seen a most professional documentary grade 30 to 40 minute long videos on YouTube where they've interviewed the Socialist Rifle Association of Philadelphia Socialist Rifle Association of Maryland chapters you know you may laugh that they're shooting in the desert and they can't hit anything to save their lives at 20 feet but
Starting point is 01:21:28 they're training that should be the scary thing also people will you know people on our side will be like well You know, they won't come face to face. They won't do anything to you. There's no... What's your defense from an ambush? What's your defense from you going to the store and someone walking up behind you and putting a bullet in you?
Starting point is 01:21:55 What's your defense except to always, you know, always be watching your six, and that's a hard way to fucking live. But, I mean, if this kind of... If they keep whipping up this kind of fervor going forward, then you may have to live with eyes in the back of your head if you're somebody who is public. Somebody who's, you know, his name is out there.
Starting point is 01:22:22 And also, you know, you just have to accept the fact that you're a partisan in this fight and some partisans don't make it. One thing that also, go ahead. One thing that also worries me is that law enforcement, especially at the federal level, doesn't really seem to take these groups as seriously as they do, you know, a bunch of idiots who just want to, like, go shoot guns in the wood and talk about, like, base stuff. And what I'm starting to worry about is, you know, what's out there that we, like, don't know about just because no one's really looking for it, if you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I see these kinds of people, these kinds of groups as a very serious threat,
Starting point is 01:23:13 and their capacity for the kind of damage they could do in a shit-hit-the-fan scenario should not be underestimated. And in case you think that's a scenario like that isn't likely, Trump's world economy reorganization with the tariffs, I think, you know, maybe he's not going to, going to maybe he's not going to fully commit to that, but that's an indication
Starting point is 01:23:43 as to how fragile our current supply chain based existence is. You know, even if they're interrupted, even if they're slightly stalled, you know, what is it?
Starting point is 01:23:59 Like the civilizations three mills away from collapse, right? Even if you have a temporary disruption of food going to places, you start, you start, you start seeing violence and I think we'd be
Starting point is 01:24:14 lucky if it was just a bunch of chazes because you know but why was chas not why was chas allowed to continue existing and was given all sorts of social media coverage why was the national guard you know was
Starting point is 01:24:29 why did Trump not send the national guard to eliminate it because I think Trump was was Trump still president at that time I was in basic training when Chas... He was. That was... Okay.
Starting point is 01:24:40 Presidency. Yeah, so I missed all that because I was at basic training, funnily enough. But, but, you know, who... Who... Why was the National Guard not sent in to basically get rid of this, this... theoretically, this revolution against state power, this setting up of an alternative state power? because it wasn't an alternative state power at all. Like Pete said, it was a color revolution.
Starting point is 01:25:11 Chaz was purposely set up or was allowed to continue existing. You know, whether it was purposely set up or not, it was allowed to continue existing. And it was given all kinds of media coverage all over the country. It's a demoralization technique. It's meant to demoralize. It's meant to show, oh, there's nothing that we can do. There's chaos and anarchy in the cities, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 01:25:35 I don't think they have that kind of power anymore because by the grace of God, Trump is in the White House. But the fight is far from over. Everyone, you know, since Election Day, everyone's been like, oh, well, what happened to the left? Where's the left? You know, what's going on with the left, et cetera, et cetera. And I've said things like the left is in shambles. And in a lot of cases it is, but, you know, like any army that's shattered,
Starting point is 01:26:00 that has its morale broken and loses a major battle, they can regroup. They can reorganize it. They can hit you again. And Trump is not. People think because USAID has been, we don't know what USAID is doing. It was turned over to the Secretary of State. We have no idea.
Starting point is 01:26:20 But that doesn't matter. George Soros doesn't need USAID. Bill Gates doesn't need USAID. Billionaires you've never heard of don't need USAID. All they need to do is find a way. And I know of certain. ways that you can move money around that's just untraceable and not just not just cryptocurrency. So people are sleeping on the fact that there are groups out there that are planning something.
Starting point is 01:26:52 And, you know, it's hard for us to believe because, I mean, most of us are sleeping soundly at night not worrying about anything. Sure, we might have a gun next to the bed. but you know that's that's for you know that's for the intruder what about the mob and then you know somebody in the comments is going to be like
Starting point is 01:27:14 well that's why I have that's why I have 30 round magazines okay well you know and you shoot the first one and the rest of them scatter until they don't they didn't do that in Spain so be prepared
Starting point is 01:27:31 So on that, it's very important to study the Spanish Civil War and the Russian Civil War as examples of, you know, because they're so close together, and I know they're in different countries, different cultures, different sizes, different people, but the circumstances which led to them were so similar and the outcomes were so different. it's important to study both um you know like that was at kent state that was the that was the net by the way kent state was the national guard's finest moment everyone just so you know um what are what are the chances that they ended up i mean except for that one poor r o tc guy that got killed he was he was he was just you know he was just walking um but for the rest i mean man anyway um dude i can i can i can jay host every live stream, and that's probably what's going to get this demonetest. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:28:36 But specifically speaking to Spain, right, to what you talked about with Spain, what differentiated Spain from Russia is that the military was, number one, like the communists, I think, in the preceding years, were more or less sideline from the Spanish military, and they were not allowed to penetrate. at least the high levels of high command. And number two, under Emilio Mola, there was a very decisive coup and grabbing of ground that was done by a variety of bull. And a lot of generals who just kind of acted on their own initiative in a unified front.
Starting point is 01:29:15 This did not occur in Russia. In Russia, the response by the military was very disjointed. There were all kinds of infiltrators. But it was so well done for the Spanish that they, were able to airlift the entirety of Franco's elite Moroccan army from the Spanish Africa provinces into mainland Spain, which proved to be the X factor for on the ground confrontation.
Starting point is 01:29:42 And the reason that I believe that the Spanish nationalists, the side of truth and the side of sanity, were, by the grace of God, allowed to be victorious in the Spanish Civil War was because of the competency and the professionalism and the unity of force within the military, which leads us to our final topic this evening, which is recently one of my favorite things that Trump has done since starting was appointing Pete Hegsef as Secretary of Defense. I think it was one of his most, I know he was a Fox and Friends guy. I get it. But if you look at his combat record and you look at what he's done,
Starting point is 01:30:25 He was leading a platoon in Iraq. Or was it Afghan? It was one of the two. But he was an infantry platoon leader. He still serves, or I think up until being appointed, Secretary of Defense, he still served in the National Guard. You know, he has been known for his extremely radical views within the Department of Defense community.
Starting point is 01:30:47 And I think that's why Trump picked him, you know, just simply because he was a well-known military man with radical views. and he's done a lot of great things. For example, he recently raised combat standards, and we talked about this in another Pony Express stream, but he raised combat standards for combat units, physical fitness standards, to the male level universally.
Starting point is 01:31:09 Females now must comply with the male PT test, which is a soft ban on women in combat because they just simply, it's standards they can't meet. So what you're seeing is, on the lower levels, in the front line units, you're seeing a massive increase in quality. I heard he recently cut something like 90,000 officers out of the U.S. military. Like, he's ending their contracts and things like that.
Starting point is 01:31:31 This is excellent. This is great. But what our story that we're specifically talking about is I believe that there was some leaks that came from the Pentagon as to what they were doing from very high up general staff officials that were discovered. And I believe some generals have been fired because of that. well the we knew there was leaks we knew that
Starting point is 01:32:02 they had to be they had to be found we knew that they were embedded deep and I mean at least we know some of them but I mean the when you take into consideration the deep state these people who work at the Pentagon
Starting point is 01:32:19 and you know they no matter who's president they work there the same at the state department the same you know the entrenched deep state, we have to assume that there's, it's still leaking like a sieve there. So, you know, there's a lot more work to do if it can be fixed at all. And I'm, you know, I'm of the opinion that it can't be fixed and we're, you know, I know where we're headed and I think that's what the OGC is all about is getting ready for that. And that's why we concentrate on local chapters.
Starting point is 01:32:54 Sure. no yeah i recently listened to a to a biography of colonel john boyd who is a very well-known military theorist and military strategist he was a fighter pilot who flew in korea and in vietnam and later on he created uh i think he created one of i think the more revolutionary works of military theory and his patterns of conflict brief uh you know everyone you might know him for udalus but um but you know colonel boyd most of his career was spent in the pentagon uh as soon as he as soon as he finished up his uh days as a fighter pilot trainer and stuff like that but most of his days were spent in the pentagon and it was mostly spent fighting the post-war bureaucracy particularly in the air force but in other branches as well uh that has a massive itself in this building.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Right? So this building, you know how Aron says the purpose of a system is what it does? The purpose of the Pentagon is to buy weapons because that's all it does. It buys weapons. It doesn't matter what the weapons are.
Starting point is 01:34:14 It doesn't matter how well they work. It doesn't matter how strategically viable they are. It just buys weapons. And that is its only raison d'etra. and the problem with it is you have the high command from the Marine Corps, the Army, the Navy, the Coast Guard, the Air Force, all in that one building. And they're all closer to each other. And they're all closer to each other than everyone else.
Starting point is 01:34:43 And they're all closer to these defense contractors. And they have congressmen backing them, backing one branch, backing another branch, et cetera, et cetera. If you listen to this book about John Boyd, there's a lot. There's a movie, I think, called the Pentagon Wars that's indicative of this, about the, pretty sure it's about the, I haven't seen it, but I know it's about this. I think it's about the creation of the Bradley. But when you look into the creation of these, of these multi, in some cases, multi-trillion dollar defense projects that like all lead to nothing and you see the graft
Starting point is 01:35:20 and the corruption and the lies and the, you know, this is what this building exists for. It's what it does. It has spawned up the richest, it's like four of the richest counties in the United States just for people who exist to serve the economy that emanates from this building. And I highly recommend that book.
Starting point is 01:35:50 It's called Boyd by Robert Corum and the movie The Pentagon Wars. I haven't seen it, but I know it's about that book. whoever if you ever if you go watch it and you know me you can send me a message about it um was it by by chance was did a mr field house tell you to read tell you about boy yeah so yeah i suppose i suppose you could say you could say something like that um but um but anyway like this is this is also like this is the world i grew up in is the economy that this building emanates.
Starting point is 01:36:26 And military reform, the United States military, I know I've been talking for a while, but I'm probably going to, anything you gentlemen have to say, but the United States military, it's still the most powerful military on earth. Don't get me wrong, but it is in a very bad place,
Starting point is 01:36:43 a very bad place, and it starts at the top. So one of my favorite things that Hegsef has been saying that he's doing, and even like with these leaks, I think even he's starting to do, is he's firing these generals. He's getting rid of them, right?
Starting point is 01:36:58 Because, you know, you know this, Pete. The reason that the Spanish army was able to react so strongly to what happened in 1936 was because of the unity of the high command or at least enough unity amongst the high command to react for it. Yes, absolutely. And if something like this happens in the United States, I hope to God that we have at least enough of a high command,
Starting point is 01:37:23 a high command because, you know, like, I'm not saying, I don't want to start speculating, but I would like to have something similar if something similar was attempted here. And I genuinely believe in hope what Mr. Hegseff has been doing, Secretary Hegstaff, I hope that he is able to do everything that he wants to do because the military, you know, it's not that the military is incompetent, it's that it's politicized. It's that it's politicized. it's that it's politicized to serve certain bureaucratic interests would serve certain ideological interests and I don't know if he's going to get all of it
Starting point is 01:37:59 I hope he gets all of it that is the biggest issue that I'm afraid of well yeah that's I think we've talked about that before is that the double-edged sword of trying to get our guys in the military where
Starting point is 01:38:24 you know we have people who are loyal to America but also you know, when you look at the high command, the generals and the wokeness and the oh, I need to examine my
Starting point is 01:38:42 privilege and, you know, when you understand that a general actually has like a fiefdom all to himself, you know, the culture has to change. It's just like society. I mean, the military is just a society and the culture has to change. So, yeah, if it comes down to what we think it's going to come down to,
Starting point is 01:39:04 and the military's there, you know, going back to the nationalists in Spain, yeah, the military high command and the generals, I mean, there were generals who sided with the nationalists who just sided with the nationalist because they felt that they had to, and their inner loyalties were to the other side. that's how strong that's how what a tie
Starting point is 01:39:30 how tied together they were but you know in a situation like this where we're at right now and especially after 80 years of this poison just this
Starting point is 01:39:43 you know this absolute occupation that we've been under if it started tomorrow who the hell knows what would happen no I I hope to God it doesn't start tomorrow but I don't think it will I think we have at least some time.
Starting point is 01:40:01 Yeah, there you go. There you go. You know, these are, as you see, these are, you know, these are white guys. There's a black guy there. But these are white guys. These are, you know, fighting aged men. Look what they're holding, you know. Yeah, they're in the Air Force.
Starting point is 01:40:14 Okay, the Air Force kind of sucks. But, you know, that's a multi, multi-million dollar killing machine behind them. You know? And just, you think that just because they have. these political beliefs, they all of the sudden stopped knowing how to kill people? Don't be foolish. Mr. Cook, Mr. Frost,
Starting point is 01:40:37 we've been talking for a while. Either of you have any judgments on this, on the state of the military and what Mr. Heggseth is doing. Well, I was going to say this. The Democrats really misjudged the situation because Obama did a very good job of, I don't want to say purging the officer court, but he did a good job of clearing house of our guys
Starting point is 01:40:59 between 2009 and 2016. And Republicans, it's almost like we don't want to play the left's games. Like, if they have given us the precedent, we've got to use it. We just have to. And
Starting point is 01:41:17 Trump didn't go after the officer court, and he wondered why orders weren't followed of pulling troops out of Syria. Because the people that were there had the vested interest and were committed to the cause and we're willing to do the I'm not going to compare keeping U.S. troops in Syria to the
Starting point is 01:41:36 Spanish airlift, but completely disregarding the head of state, as you said, the sole body of it is done through the executive. Troop placements are also done through the executive to a degree, and that was under his purview because we don't have a signed declaration of war
Starting point is 01:41:53 against Syria, so they had no reason to be there. They're willing to, they've already shown that they're willing to play by their rules. throw them all out. What was it? How the heck... Remember the guy who graduated West Point
Starting point is 01:42:11 that the... The guy who was in... He was apparently a ranger with the CIB and everything. It's insane when you think about it. The left got that far. The only issue was is that they didn't...
Starting point is 01:42:29 They didn't count that the Republicans would do anything crazy like run Donald Trump because frankly, if you look at the rest of the field from 2016, anybody else would have lost. Allow me to insert something real quick, right? The Republicans didn't run Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:42:46 Donald Trump ran the Republicans. And that's something I want every single one of you to internalize. There is no organization other than Trump right now. This is a mystery grove point, but I'm going to happily repeat it. There is no organization other than Trump right now. Without Trump, there's nothing. Trump goes away, our whole counteroffensive goes away, our whole ability to apply pressure to these people,
Starting point is 01:43:15 to take away their funding, to put them in prison, right? It goes away. Do you, what you think, you think, you think, you think, you think, you think, you know, maybe you could say something about Vance, I don't want to, I want to withhold judgment on Vance, but you think, you know, Tulsi Gabbard is going to stay the way she is. You think that this whole coalition that's been forged together by literally the force of will of one man, you think that's going to continue? No. No, it's not.
Starting point is 01:43:50 The OGC is a great organization, but it's still more or less in infancy. There's only so much we can do. Join it right now to help us, but there's only so much we can do right now. these people have had decades decades almost a century to organize with explicit legal support with legal funding
Starting point is 01:44:12 they have whole packs that exist look right here yeah they have whole packs yeah this guy wasn't just some just some guy either he was like you see right there that thing at the top that's a CIB
Starting point is 01:44:25 he I believe that before he went to West Point he was a ranger I read up on his store I think he was in 75th Ranger which is an extremely elite unit. He's not just some guy. You know, he's not just some, some college kid. This is a dude who had been in for a while, you know. And in elite units, mind you.
Starting point is 01:44:48 You think that I have, I know I have anecdotal things of friends of mine who have been in Green Beret units and stuff like that. And they know people exactly like this guy. You know why? because extremists tend to be attracted to extreme things, and we do not have a monopoly on the extremist camp. And these people can learn how to be physically active and fit. So, but, you know, to bring this back to my point, I'm going to bring up an American example.
Starting point is 01:45:23 Take Bleeding Kansas. Bleeding Kansas, which was a fight over the statehood of Kansas and whether Kansas was going to be a, free state or a slave state, right, due to something called popular sovereignty. Kansas was mostly populated by settlers from Missouri, which was a slave state, southern-leaning slave state. But the northern abolitionists did not want another slave state to be allowed. So what they started doing was they organized. They started funding people to move to Kansas, to set up towns.
Starting point is 01:45:57 And then when the, the Missourians kind of knew what they were, they were doing, they went and started attacking them, started burning their towns, et cetera, et cetera, and it got violent. And the Missourians were, you know, better trained. Individually, they were better. They were cavalrymen. They had horses. They knew the terrain.
Starting point is 01:46:20 But it didn't matter because the abolitionists coming from the north had organization, had money, had funding, had, you know, legal support in case, you know, had friends in Washington. and so they were able, they won. Kansas was a free state. And this is, this is the same atmosphere we in. We are the Missourians. We are not, we are not the Northerners moving.
Starting point is 01:46:48 We are the Missourians, or at least like them. Individually, we're pretty good. You know, individually, we're pretty, we're pretty skilled, but we don't have organization. And we don't have, even, you know, we have the OGC, and that's something. But, you know, compared to what they have, they have. decades. They have all kinds of money that you can't even dream of. They've got people within the armed services, within the intelligence. Yeah, John Brown right there. Yeah, exactly. John Brown was birthed, was birthed from Bleeding Kansas, right? And what did that lead to? You see it right
Starting point is 01:47:24 there on the screen, you know? This is the thing, I know, I know I've been on my soapbox for a while and I probably should bring this home in here because we're getting close to two hours and we've got some super chats to read and I'm going to let any of you gentlemen add anything on after this before we go to super chats but I'll bring it home here without Trump without all of Trump's marshals we have nothing the leftists they have been hurt this is the first big defeat they've gotten in a very long time but they have reserves of menpower, of money, of capability, of talent. They've got it too. And we need to wake up and realize that you can't just go back to grilling, you can't just go back to your video games or whatever else.
Starting point is 01:48:22 You need to understand that the counterpunch is coming. The bigger counterpunch. Trump in 2020, yeah, that was. unprecedented, but you ain't seen nothing yet. Right. I think that, you know, I wrote some articles a few years ago, and I'm not going to tell you what they were about,
Starting point is 01:48:43 but I wrote some articles a few years ago that I felt then, and I'm starting, and I went away for a few years, but I'm starting to see again now, is I don't think we're just going to get out of it that easy. So pray to God that we can use this time that has been given us to prepare, to get ready, and pray that Trump and his officials can do whatever it is that they can do to rip out as much and to set up as much as possible.
Starting point is 01:49:16 But be ready. Because things will be required of you. It would honestly shock and terrify you the complete and total lack of imagination and courage and understanding of what time it is that permeates the place that I work and the people that I work for and work with. And there's, there's, what is it? Amongst the young guys, there's hope, but they don't have control. So, um, Mr. Frost, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:49:56 Oh, I was going to say, I mean, and again, my entire lifetime has been one giant, I'm going to say black pill effectively. up until recently? Like, I don't know if anyone remembers the Bundy Ranch standoff back in 2014
Starting point is 01:50:15 where it almost got real close to another Lexington and Concord level event. That was just government v. people, not just leftist partisans. So it's, we've had close calls. We've gotten lucky.
Starting point is 01:50:37 This amount of time is been a gift. Let's not waste any more of it. No, wars don't happen because they're rational. Wars happen because people believe they can and they want them to. All right. Pete, you got anything or should we go to Superchats? Let's go to Superchats. All right. So, imagine my lack of shekel.
Starting point is 01:51:03 Well, I guess I have to because you're giving us money. For $15. He says, rip 4chan really going to miss the schizo posts from government contractors in Antarctica about 25 foot tall spider demons wiping out the entire special forces security detail in football stadium-sized
Starting point is 01:51:22 U.S.Os in the Caribbean vaporizing incoming Navy aircraft. I think he yeah yeah I fortune man it was a special place um
Starting point is 01:51:37 melon for five dollars he says 4chan strikes me as something that was set up as a weapon or honeypot by evil people but held the seeds of their destruction. Many such cases with the works of our opposition and the opponents of God generally. So true. No, yeah, 4chan was a major vector of, as I think Pete, you mentioned this, 4chan was a major vector of intelligence operations from a certain group of people. 100%.
Starting point is 01:52:04 Yeah. It was also a great vector of learning truth, but, you know, El Fempley for five bucks says On Easter Sunday We get the end of month three of this 45 months remain You have to keep this in your mind
Starting point is 01:52:23 If things go bad Yep, this is true We've got 45 months left El Fempler again for five bucks He asks Pete, have you read or streamed About Antonio Gromsky's prison notebooks Very good insight into the goals of the enemy
Starting point is 01:52:44 I have not, but I know the perfect person I can do that with. Yeah, I think, Mr. Pete, I think that's something that you should look into because the tactics have not much, and the strategy has not much changed. Well, the right keeps falling for it and, well, the right won't fight. They won't use the same tactics to fight their enemy. And we could make all kinds of discussions about that as to like whether that's a constitutional difference between the type of people that make up the left and the type of people that make up the right. What the right does, and like Trump is a great example
Starting point is 01:53:21 does, what the right does is they wait for some kind of great man to come along and, you know, every so often they are rewarded and that's when they make their stand is when they have the great man. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work for them.
Starting point is 01:53:39 General Vrangel in Russia was that great man. Unfortunately, he was too little too late. But in Spain, when General Mola and then I think General, who's General Mola? Do you know General Mola's second in command? Because it was both him and the second. It was Marshall San Girozo, right? Or however you say his last name?
Starting point is 01:53:58 San Giro crashed. So yeah, both Mola and San Gersho died. And Franco, who's third in command, you know, that's the thing, right? This is the thing. This is another great thing as to the Spanish army. The chain of command was clear. It was very clear. There was no difficulty in who the succession was.
Starting point is 01:54:15 this was not the case in the Russian army. Colchak took over in a coup, but there were like five or six generals claiming overall command. And it was, even when Vrangel was given overall command, at that point, it was too late.
Starting point is 01:54:29 So this is, this is a flaw amongst the right, is that we wait for great men to come along to kind of fix everything at once. And it, you know, the left is just simply more consistent over a longer period of time.
Starting point is 01:54:44 You know, we can do great feet. in a very short period of time. And typically that's when we win. I think the reason the nationalists, the reason the nationalist war was just because of the lightning operations in the first few weeks of the war. You know, they were able to grab so much so quickly
Starting point is 01:54:59 that the, and the socialists just, they just didn't have the, the edge to beat the professional trained military forces. But it still took a while because they had the bodies. So this is the thing, is it's like, is it's like the right,
Starting point is 01:55:15 wins through speed and through excellent coordination, but we're a glass canon. We are a glass canon. If you don't get it right the first time immediately, like the Confederacy, you know, the Confederacy could be described with three words initially very successful. And that could be the whole of the right described in three words, initially very successful. And that's something we all need to keep in mind. You got a lot out of here. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, if I may interject,
Starting point is 01:55:50 the Spanish, I'm no real expert on the Spanish Civil War, but I've read a little bit. The Spanish left was very similar to the Russian right in the Russian Civil War. That yes, were they, I'd say that, frankly, they were the ones initially successful because they were controlling the political scene and the political violence, at least
Starting point is 01:56:13 five years before the conflict began. They... But they were very weak. They couldn't agree. They couldn't come to a who was in charge. Same with the Russians, the white Russians and the Civil War. When pressure was applied, they crumbled. Granted, with enough guns and tanks from the Soviets, anything can be propped up for a few more years.
Starting point is 01:56:41 But that fundamentally was a difference, because they were infighting while trying to fight, the Spanish right you know Orwell wrote about it that was the big issue the Russian white army also experienced the same issue
Starting point is 01:56:58 it's it's equal parts the you know coronation but also just fundamentally the tucking away of egos and that is I'm going to say a universal thread that we on the right sometimes
Starting point is 01:57:12 we all dream of being the great man but sometimes you just have to put the ego away and accept you are at a certain level and sometimes you get presented with, oh hey, your promotion because two guys ahead of you just died. I think that's very insightful. Specifically, that one sentence you said
Starting point is 01:57:35 they're everyone on the right dreams that they can be the great man. I think that is something that very much does work against us. And you're all right. The putting away of egos is something I think that very much is that I think does the OGC does very well
Starting point is 01:57:51 but how many organizations are like us that almost none and that that should scare you yeah the right in Spain you had you had the military you had the Falun Gay and you had the the carlists and they
Starting point is 01:58:07 basically they were the reason they won first of all God second of all they put aside their their differences and they they all were different people and the
Starting point is 01:58:22 left was just as split between communist anarchists, left libertarians um the the Republicans which were on the left and they could they couldn't come together they they would like if if
Starting point is 01:58:37 if they were in a battle together and a left libertarian fell uh the anarchist would laugh so yeah so and the right in this country right now is if, I would say, the real right is just as fractured as the left was in Spain. And, you know, at the very least, the left is currently in civil war between its more moderate faction and it's a more progressive faction. I don't think that's something that's gone away yet. But the radical faction is absolutely making moves.
Starting point is 01:59:16 and the radical factions maintaining a sort of unity. Particularly, I think with the story we didn't cover about the horrible thing that happened in Texas, with those two high school students, they have... The N-word! Yeah, exactly. They're doubling down. They're not giving up their ludicrous ideology.
Starting point is 01:59:41 And I think that is a unifying factor for them wrong as it is. and it's something that we need to look at and we need to join the OGC. If you're somehow, if you're one of the 399 people still watching this and you're somehow not in the OGC yet, figure out how to do it.
Starting point is 02:00:01 Right? And it just, it's like, I don't know of anyone else right now. I'm sure there are people out there. I know the John Birch Society is doing very well, but we need to have this glut of organizations, these redundancies, the way that the left does. And we need to do it in a way that's above board and that has sticking power.
Starting point is 02:00:25 So you got a lot out of your super chat, Grinjy. There's always one. All right, moving on. Solid Snake, 1964 for 10 U.S. dollars. He says, evening gents, late again, but I have a good excuse this week. I was celebrating Holy Thursday Mass tonight in remembrance of the Last Supper and the institution of the Eucharist. On Saturday, I'll be finally confirmed. Blessed be the Lord, have a great Easter to all salute the OGC.
Starting point is 02:00:54 Well, thank you, Solid Snake, 1964. Congratulations on being confirmed. I hope it was edifying for you. Congratulations, brother. All right. Ballaro 393 for five U.S. dollars. Rest in eternal peace, Austin Metcalfe. indeed.
Starting point is 02:01:15 Alam McIntyre had a great stream on the difference between biblical and therapeutic forgiveness. Yeah, I think that's something I think that needs to be spread, that needs to very much be talked about in great details, that forgiveness means nothing if you just give it to them after nothing. Forgiveness must follow repentance. Celebration and grift are not repentance. May justice prevail. I completely agree.
Starting point is 02:01:43 I completely agree. I know we didn't want to cover this story for obvious reasons because, you know, I don't think the good people who watch this need to see, need to have, need to be reminded that horrible things like this happen in this country. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. They don't need to be reminded that horrible things like this happened in this country. But, no, I believe God will judge this family.
Starting point is 02:02:10 I very much believe God will judge this family for what they've done. He already has. Look at him. Yeah. I hope he saves the rest of us. Oh, my goodness. All right. Well, I believe that things like this will stop one day very soon. And then finally, last super, or not last super chat. kosher Don Bacon for 10 bucks says,
Starting point is 02:02:54 salute gentlemen, I just learned to internet tonight. Well, congratulations. We're very glad that you've found your way here. Thank you very much for your patron, sir. And then the last super chat that we have this evening, unless someone sends in a quick buzzer beater when we go to Final Fons and Shilling
Starting point is 02:03:17 is from Inquisition Railroad for $5 with no text, just a $5 gift. Thank you, Mr. Inquist. Position Railroad. And thank you all of you who have super chatted. These small amounts of money really do go a long way in keeping the club running and allowing us to do those things that we need to do to keep this brotherhood alive, grow this brotherhood, and prepare for what's coming for the future. So God bless you all. And a matter of fact, thank you to all of you in the audience who have substack subscriptions with us as well. We're very grateful for that. It really, that
Starting point is 02:03:53 is really what keeps the club running. Your super chats are also very great. So thank you all very much. Gentlemen, actually starting with Mr. Pete, you have any final thoughts? Anything we've talked about this evening? No, just stay vigilant. I mean, relaxing at this point is a huge mistake.
Starting point is 02:04:18 Yeah. I mean, get together with people of like mind. be ready to come to each other's aid, no matter what it is. And that's the way collectivize or die. Absolutely. That's the stage we're at.
Starting point is 02:04:37 Absolutely. Mr. Frost, do you have any final thoughts on anything we've talked about this evening? Just a wrap-up of general ideas from this stream is just we're on the precipice of either greatness or absolute catastrophe. We cannot rest on our world. We cannot wait. The Civil War was able to drag on for two bloody more years after Gettysburg because Meade didn't instantly move to defeat the Confederates
Starting point is 02:05:06 that were in slight disarray before they fled back to Virginia. We can't afford to let that happen. No. No, we cannot. And finally, Mr. Cook, thank you very much for coming on this evening. Do you have any final thoughts for anything? Um, no, not really. I think it's a pretty good discussion tonight, and I wholeheartedly agree with the points everyone raised before me. Outstanding. All right. Finally on to Schilling, Pete, what you got?
Starting point is 02:05:42 Piquino show, petesubstack.com. That's it. Just released an episode. There, this just released an episode with Thomas. We're starting a series. It could go for a year on. Continental philosophy. We did, this is our, just, just released the introduction episode, and we didn't even get into Thucydides and Pericles and the Peloponnesian War. It's just, just an introduction, and that was an hour, a lot more to come.
Starting point is 02:06:17 Outstanding. Mr. Frost, you have anything to show? The only thing I can show is, if you're in Eastern PA somehow if anyone is still in Delaware you know Eastern part of Maryland or in New Jersey and you're looking to join go to the website there is our email
Starting point is 02:06:38 reach out also if you're on the western half of the state of PA we have the Pittsburgh chapter that just spun up they've been added to the website I believe and you know keep an eye out if you're in Central PA it's not there yet, but they were at the event. So keep an eye out for if that chapter
Starting point is 02:07:00 finally crosses the finish line and you can join up there. There's no real excuse. There's no dues yet, so it doesn't cost you anything. It's kind of not... It's got to show a little discipline, and that's it. Outstanding. And then finally, Mr. Cook, do you have anything to show? I've just got two things.
Starting point is 02:07:23 my personal substack, I will be releasing some pretty in-depth articles about the 1864 Overland campaign. So doing reading up on the Battle of the Wilderness to start that endeavor. And then a friend of mine and I have started a substack called the Capital Collar, where we'll be trying to bring OGC guys and the right in general, the inside scoop of what's going on underneath the dome. from within the dome, I could say. So, yeah, please give those a follow, and that's
Starting point is 02:07:59 all I've got to say. Outstanding. Yeah, and I very much enjoyed the article that you wrote for the OGC very recently. They shall not grow old. I thought it was wonderful.
Starting point is 02:08:11 Thank you. Yeah. All right, gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me this evening. Thank you all who are listening for joining us this evening. Thank you to all the super chatters and the general supporters. This has been
Starting point is 02:08:24 Pony Express Radio. Next week, Red Hawk will be back in his normal, regularly scheduled programming. But I hope I've done a good job in his absence. Thank you all for showing up, and I hope you all have a very good evening. God bless.

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