The Pete Quiñones Show - 05/29/2025 - Old Glory Club Livestream - Ruh Roh Rubio

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

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Starting point is 00:02:24 is out killing animals in Africa. So we are having myself, the vice president, host a Pony Express Radio, as we have done in the past when he is unable to do so. So thank you all for tuning in. I want to welcome all of this lovely guest panel that we have. First and foremost, we have Mr. Pete Cignonas.
Starting point is 00:02:43 How are you, sir? Doing well. Doing well. Good evening. Excellent. Joining us, we also have Mr. Elfemplar. How are you, sir? Oh, you said it the right way.
Starting point is 00:02:54 I'm like Red Hawk. How are you doing? I'm very well. I'm very well. You know, you're cringy to me. So, and then last but not least, making a very special guest appearance is Mr. Dave the Desiret. distribute us. How are you doing this evening, sir? Hey, well, I'm glad to be here for once.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Usually I can't make it, but I'm really happy to put an appearance in. Well, we're very grateful that you had to put an appearance in. But, you know, it's been an excellent couple of weeks since the conclusion of the Old Glory Club conference in 2025. It was an excellent conference. I was very happy to be there. I think, I think actually all four of us were there. And I hope all of you gentlemen enjoyed it as much as I did. Yeah, we all were. Excellent. Excellent, excellent. Yeah, it wasn't just partying and smoking.
Starting point is 00:03:44 It was real discussions about real futures. Indeed. And I highly recommend all of you if you have the time to go watch the recap that we did on the O'Glory Club YouTube channel. It was an excellent recap. And I think the conference was great. Made waves like it does every single year. But on to business, right? It was a bit of a slower news week this week, but there were a couple of things that
Starting point is 00:04:07 did occur. And I want to bring us into the first story of this evening, which is earlier this week, Marco Rubio instructed the Department of State to cease all interviews, not just for Harvard University, but for all universities to cease all interviews for student visas. I personally think this is a wonderful development. I got what I voted for again award. This is just one of those little, it's not so little of a thing because these universities are almost entirely funded, at least, especially the bigger ones, they're almost entirely funded by the money that they get from foreign students and particularly from the foreign governments that send those foreign students. But gentlemen, this is kind of the latest in the university wars that Trump has
Starting point is 00:04:55 had with Harvard and with other institutions. But do you gentlemen have any particular thoughts on either the visa ban or the wider university wars? Well, this is a retaliation for, was I don't know this fact. Was this in retaliation for their refusal to end preferential hiring and various departments? I believe so, actually. Go ahead. I was good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Being an Ivy League kid myself, I believe it was that. The institutions of these schools are extremely resistant to any cutting off of the cash cow foreign monies. I remember both of my undergrad and graduate. There were just these years when you would hear about a deal made with like a so-called sister school we had a program with where they were going to like fund visas or something. And what that really meant is that they were getting like new buildings from foreign investors. And you would just have 30% of that year be from that country, a 30% of the class of that year. It was it was insane the amount of imported people. And they would just not, their grades would not matter because they're the children and friends of like their special donor class.
Starting point is 00:06:05 it was a complete mess. Yeah, I mean, that's, it's obvious that there's been kind of a foreign takeover of the university system. I'm just kind of wondering what brought this on. I figured it had something to do with his ongoing conflict with the quote-unquote DEI policies at the university. But that's always hard to tell with these things, I guess. Another, another excuse that they're using is that the foreign student, are ones that are participating in the anti-Semitic protests on campus. Well, we have to draw a line somewhere, Pete.
Starting point is 00:06:44 I mean, you know, we can't. We can't just have people say anything on campus. This is getting out of hand. Well, I mean, just looking at the picture here, I'm sure that everyone at Harvard and everyone around the country is happy that the Thai lady boys are out there, you know, protesting so that international students can come to Harvard. No, this has been, I don't know when this particularly started, this trend of universities being mostly, I know universities have always had a cosmopolitan bent to them. And I don't think anyone is against the concept of like exchange students or, you know, international students in principle, particularly if you're a global empire, you know, you're going to bring in your clients to go to your universities. This is something I've actually noticed when I studied the history of Texas A&M. When I studied the history of Texas A&M, I saw that a, a, uh, a, uh, you're going to bring in your clients to go to your universities. This is something I've actually noticed when I saw that a, uh, uh,
Starting point is 00:07:35 a couple of Central American presidents, I think one of Bolivia and one of Colombia, I want to say, or Ecuador, something like that, went to that university. So this is typical for an empire to do, is soft power. You educate the elite of your client states within your country. And the United States has a long history of doing this, particularly in Latin America. But I don't know when the trend of the majority of the student bodies being international students. I don't know when this started, maybe the 1970s, maybe the 1980s. But now it's gotten to the point that, yes, these universities derive a significant amount of their funding from these functionally guaranteed foreign admissions. And I don't know. It's one of the, this kind of reflects on the degradation of academia generally.
Starting point is 00:08:28 You know, it's almost trite to say that you go to college, you don't actually get an education. and almost everyone oh go ahead Pete well according to Grock in 2000 in the year 2324 the academic year 2324 approximately
Starting point is 00:08:44 277,398 Chinese nationals were enrolled in American universities so they have an army in here does anybody else find that to be insane yeah they never
Starting point is 00:09:01 say the total number of students in that specific year, but I'm curious what percentage of total students in the school that is, because that sounds excessively high. I mean, in Canada, there's entire colleges that are just dominated by students from India,
Starting point is 00:09:21 and a lot of these colleges are just fake. Like, their course work is minimal. You can do it. Basically, since COVID, you've been able to do it almost entirely online, and they're able to get an indefinite number of the Canadian equivalent. of H1B visas to come over from the subcontinent.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Just to give a sense of scale, I'm running memories now when I was at Columbia. I was one of maybe five American students out of a class of maybe like 150 of my program. Everyone else was foreign. That's the percentages I remember. And that was like over a decade ago. I can't imagine how bad it is not.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Do they just have like the token single American in the graduate program? I mean, when we found out that in the D.C. courts, like 30 to 40% of the judges were born in other countries. I mean, this just basically is the way things are now. It's we don't heritage Americans, and even people have been here for a couple, a few generations, there just don't matter anymore. They're bringing in people. They figured out this system where they bring in people from elsewhere.
Starting point is 00:10:35 the colleges will do it to make money, but because they can charge them top dollar. When I lived in Auburn, I lived in a, and this is two years ago. When I lived in Auburn, Alabama, where is where Auburn University is, all of my, I would say 80% of my neighbors on my street were Chinese. I mean, it's just the way it is now. And it's, there's a lot to worry about. about there. We have reports that when they fly back, they come for their first semester, when they fly back, they're immediately debriefed, told that the next semester that they go
Starting point is 00:11:15 back, that they're working for them. So, you know, we have two, potentially, you know, a quarter a million spies for China in the country. And then we have people like this Korean judge that, I mean, literally looked like a Jerry Lewis character from the 50s. It was probably one of the most, I hate using this term, but it was like literally one of those racist things I've ever seen. This judge just looked like a caricature from like a 50s TV show. And this guy was born in South Korea. And he's basically making policy and telling the president that he, he's selling the president of the United States, he can't do something.
Starting point is 00:11:54 He can't be an article to executive. If I'm, if my memory is correct, a lot of these jurisdictions that, They're drawn up by Congress. Am I incorrect in that? Does anybody have that information? I don't have it. No. Because I know at least that the Supreme Court famously,
Starting point is 00:12:18 like the Congress sets the number, or the president sets the number, the Congress approves it. So, theoretically, the president could always expand or even contract the court by failing to appoint someone. But I think federal judges, their jurisdictions might be set by either Congress or Senate.
Starting point is 00:12:33 I don't see why I remember they're set by the Congress Circuit Court Act Why Trump has Congress and the Senate When is he going to just tell them Look if you want my endorsement for the midterms
Starting point is 00:12:49 You've got to delete this jurisdiction And merge it with someone who's loyal to me Like play hard, play hard games Well I think that's the thing You know the one we love We love what Trump is doing And we particularly love the fact that he does something as radical as a blanket ban on all student visa interviews,
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Starting point is 00:14:50 or they may already I don't know I don't think they already have but you know I think
Starting point is 00:14:55 everyone is saying the same thing and I know this is a segment about universities but you know
Starting point is 00:15:00 as always the courts touch all of it although on that This piece of news came out today is that they have ended the American Bar Association's influence on judiciary selections. The ABA no longer has any say and any special say in who is picked for any sort of legislative or any sort of judicial appointment. Go ahead. Was that a law or was that put through by the legislature?
Starting point is 00:15:27 Was that an executive order? That was a letter from the AG. Basically, I think the AG has. Okay. So it can be overturned by the next president. president. When you have the House and you have the Senate, why the fuck are they not drawing up law after law, after fucking law, and passing it to the president and basically making it so the left can never get in power again? Why is everything being done by an executive order
Starting point is 00:15:54 that can be overturned by the next president? And it's obviously, and obviously can be ignored because the courts tell them to. That's my concern where it's coming. Trump's, you know, using executive authority in a way that's that's sloppy and I want to be more organized. But they've been saying that the bill, the quote unquote big beautiful bill is, it's going to attempt to legitimize a lot of what Trump's been executive ordering. But still, it's kind of like a half, like a half-ass effort where, you know, you just have to like have a bill ready to go when you write those executive orders and have Congress going. And then start berating them.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Like Trump has a significant popular base. He should whip them to shape to call their representative. that's like the this is like the the formal way of doing it like we're still in formal times where you have the follow these formal procedures but the courts are overstretching their boundaries and it's it's time for him to start telling Congress you need to just delete these jurisdictions that are overstepping they've run their course well I was discussing this with a fellow member of the club a spater earlier today and
Starting point is 00:17:07 on the I this is something I told him and it's something I'll say again you know I always have, you know, with leadership, I always think it's better to trust the leadership, especially if you know that they're your leadership. It's also always better to give them the benefit of the doubt in the sense that perhaps they are dealing with information that we do not know about or they have models that are projecting, projecting something that we don't know about. Maybe Trump hasn't act. I can't imagine that the idea hasn't occurred to him.
Starting point is 00:17:43 He surrounds himself with Andrew Jackson and all these other things. I can't imagine that this hasn't been something he's considered, or he hasn't had advisors tell him about this, or he hasn't seen a tweet or something like that. I can't imagine. I think that there's something, there's trying to keep a veneer of normalcy of some sort that maybe they don't want to cross the Rubicon yet.
Starting point is 00:18:08 I mean, this is the fundamental question of real, politics is who is worthy of trust. There's just no way that average people or even people who are relatively knowledgeable about politics and who represent a community can account for all the pieces of information that go into complex decision making. So the thing that we need to determine is do we trust the given decision makers and who among our current decision makers can we trust the most? and you know this is this is something that I I see this question coming up again and again and again regardless of what the context is I mean you also that Jordan Peterson clip where just gets completely destroyed by these 17 year old atheists that apparently haven't experienced puberty yet and it's uh you know it the way he lost was he just was he was wishy-washy and he never
Starting point is 00:19:08 said up and said that he believed in the thing, right? So, I mean, he was, he came off as completely unreliable. And that was sort of the more fundamental question. The more fundamental question is, can we trust you as a leader? And no one looks at Jordan Peterson and then says, yeah, I can trust that. Or I should be able to trust that. He just looks like a complete mess.
Starting point is 00:19:33 And they wouldn't necessarily say the same about Trump because, you know, at least as a man and at least as a personality, you can trust that at least he is, he thinks he's in charge and he's trying to be in charge. At least that's my judgment. I'm sure some of you may disagree. I've made this point. I think the last time I hosted...
Starting point is 00:19:51 Yeah, that is the judgment people are making. People want Trump because they feel that they can trust Trump to be oppositional to the establishment in the United States government. And we could argue, you know, can you ever really trust anyone you don't deeply know? a hard thing to say. But, you know, that is the decision that the American people have made. And it is, in my opinion, it is sort of like with limited information, it appears to be the correct decision of all the decisions they have available to them.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Sure. Yeah. And I mean, you know, I know this is a segment about universities that we spun into talking about the courts and the seeming inability or unwillingness for the Trump administration to functionally declare what amounts to a state of exception. And that's the thing is it's like, you know, trust the plan is a meme.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Trust the plan is something that we at the Old Glory Club have stated before that I personally have stated before. But the thing is, is like even our patience has limits. And it gets to the point where
Starting point is 00:21:05 does it, how many people in Trump's administration know what time it is. Yeah. And as I've said, a few times I've been on here. Like, I have to keep repeating it. There's going to be 10 million fewer boomers in four years.
Starting point is 00:21:20 If you're not deporting 2.5 million a year, you are losing the country per person you don't vote, don't deport. That it has to get done. We're halfway through this year, and we're only at like 150,000 deportations, that's less than 10% of what needs to be done. It needs to like buy a power of 10.
Starting point is 00:21:38 accelerate. Now, maybe when this big, beautiful bill passes, they'll have the money manpower to kick that up. But like, we're talking about a power of 10 increase of what they've been doing so far. And I don't know, doubling the amount of money throughout an agency doesn't seem like it'll
Starting point is 00:21:54 get me a power of 10 response. I've never known that to happen in all my life of watching government funding go up and up. Seems like the efficiency goes down and down, the more you fund it. So I'm hoping Trump knows what he's doing in this because, like, you got to deport like a two million people. people in six months at this point.
Starting point is 00:22:10 How are you going to do it? But this is why I appeal to the fact that leadership always has access to information that just about everyone else or a very small number doesn't have access to. And they may very well have models that show them how flawed the, what is it, how, how, how, how, not flawed, how fragile the global system is, and how fragile the country is and how much a executive choice, a state of exception, may cause some kind of, how should I say, crisis that no one wants, I mean, except for us, but once that, like I say, once that Rubicon is crossed, there's no going back.
Starting point is 00:22:59 And I think this administration wants to keep as much of a semblance of normalcy as possible. And hence, that's why they're, you know, they're trying to be as restrusting. as possible with these universities, despite the fact that these universities are populated by some of the most disgusting cretness and, frankly, backwards, quote-unquote, experts that the world has to offer, one of whom our very own Dave the distributors debated recently. Well, it's odd because you're talking about the Nathan Kauffness discussion. Nathan Kauffness supposedly is a right-winger. He's known for trying to mainstream the HBD thing for the, I don't know, he's been doing it for like two years. He came to my attention because he wrote an article criticizing Heterodox Academy.
Starting point is 00:23:51 But then, you know, what's so funny is he realized that Heterodox Academy was useless because they essentially dissented on free speech and then they gave power back to the experts on every other issue. So then, you know, this year he writes an article about how there needed to be more of a deference to experts, which, you know, like he said, okay, they lied about COVID. They lied about the, you know, Joe Biden's health. They lied about any number of things, transgenderism, the lab leak theory, and even admits that they've been lying about global warming in certain key ways. And then his thesis is, no, but we need to listen to the experts on tariffs because, like, there's a consensus. And also on Israel because there's a consensus. You catch them in the corner of your eye.
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Starting point is 00:26:26 the problem what the hump of Coffness is his he does in the article what kind of
Starting point is 00:26:33 caused me to do a double take when I read it is he has this line. He says the experts got it right all the time. They just lied. So he doesn't,
Starting point is 00:26:42 and I continuously kind of grilled him on this. He didn't seem to understand the difference between an error, like a random error, like I'm stupid or I'm drunk or I just made a mistake, and an intentional lie. And I don't know. I mean, this is kind of an interesting philosophical problem.
Starting point is 00:27:02 I could go over it. I can see you have my graph up here. But the funny thing is just how I kind of was expecting him to kind of concede this point and move on, but he just wouldn't let go of it. He seems so invested. And it was almost kind of like a Sam Harris moment. It's like, okay, we could admit that the experts were wrong and we can admit the experts were lying. But now we have to go back and trust the experts even harder until we prove that they're lying again. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I mean, I guess this is just what you should expect from the academy these days. But Dave, man, yeah. Dave, didn't he just really make the point that, I mean, I tuned that after 45 minutes, man. I'm sorry, I couldn't make it. But didn't he try to make the point that being wrong, that lying wasn't as bad as being wrong? Yeah, yeah, he said, well, he said that it depends whether a long, is worse than being wrong depends on the context. And I think what he,
Starting point is 00:28:06 I'm going to steal a man him here. I think what he's thinking of is we're going to look at the information after it happens and then evaluate each untruth utilitarianly based on how much it cost us as a society. But that's not what you're doing when you're interpreting facts as they come from a truth teller. You're not evaluating the facts. You're evaluating the actor or the fact system. and saying how much can I trust this fact system. That's why all of the journals that, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:37 every journal that I published in every journal that he's published in, if you publish a mistake, they'll be very understanding, you know, some more than others, obviously. If you publish an intentional hoax, you will never publish in that journal again and probably won't publish in many others either in that field. But I guess we just unlearn this when it comes to things like Israel We unlearn this when it comes to things like tariffs.
Starting point is 00:29:05 And what's so funny is that I'm actually, you know, just as a personal matter, I am highly skeptical of tariffs. I do think that NAFTA kind of got us into the situation, but it does not necessarily stand to reason that undoing NAFTA will get us out of it. Like things aren't symmetrical that way in economics, right? And you could end up hurting the system more with tariffs than not. But, you know, that's not the point. The point is that there's a refusal to even,
Starting point is 00:29:30 even engage in an analysis of the economic state of being. And all you get is just appeals to expert consensus against all data. You're reminding me of something that I've, I've been trying to hunt this down. It's an article from, I think, 2018, right before COVID came. It was explaining institutional trust collapse under Trump and before. and a little detail in this article, which I wish I could find, was that it was outlining what institutions are still trusted. And it was a political article, and they were saying Democrats should focus on these still trusted institutions if they hope to nourish voters in the next election.
Starting point is 00:30:17 And it outlined above on the top medical professionals. At that time in 2018, they were the most trusted institutions. Yeah, I trusted them too. I thought that that was part of the academy that hadn't been interrupted. Yeah, and reflecting on what I can remember from this article, it was almost lining them up as like, listen, guys, we know everyone, anyone you pick, you're going to shit the bed in. So just do it one at a time.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Don't do it all at once. And you might be able to extend your power for a few extra years. But, no, now that we've established that we can't trust the doctors anymore, at least we have our experts on Israel. Like that's the one honest institution. That's the one area of research in the modern academy that we can trust is the expert consensus on Israel. I mean, it seems like every two years they pick whatever is the most trusted institution to build the party platform on. And when they burn that down, they move on to the next like a parasite.
Starting point is 00:31:26 and you can only do this so many times before there's no trusted institutions left. Yeah, I mean, this is the problem. They're just going to whatever they can kind of use to get credibility for the next round. So it's just a continuous hopping off the little lee pads onto the next one. You know, you might have a clip lined up, but I assume this is the one, well, you know, I don't know if people are going to play it. But, you know, there's not going to be trust in institutions. if they continuously lie. And that's what Nathan Koffinus doesn't understand.
Starting point is 00:32:01 People will not trust lying systems unless those systems are purged and punished and there is a demarcation that the past was that there was a mistake made, there's a reckoning. You can't just go like, oh, we're really, really, really smart, so trust us again. Once we've established that, I mean,
Starting point is 00:32:21 I'm going to say this on the show, but the New York Times has essentially emitted the lab leak theory at the stage. Like they've admitted it. It's over. And they've also admitted that there was a cover-up. And, I mean, it's very obvious in New York Times is part of that. They obviously blame the scientists. That means that essentially our institutional scientific establishment has murdered millions of more people than the establishment of the USSR responsible for Chernobyl.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Like, is there any reckoning about this? Like, you know, there was a reckoning in Chernobyl. like people were put on trial very publicly. So what happened? Well, in many ways that's why we're not going down the peaceful breakup of the Soviet Union model. We're going down the burning down in flames like late French Republic model. It's very like this need to grasp onto this thing that has lost trust because you don't know any other framework of viewing reality. It's probably going to take their party down with them.
Starting point is 00:33:25 which is great. But it also means that if you can go deeper and convince the voter, no institution is trustworthy. This, this, uh, there's a phrase for cannibalization maybe, uh,
Starting point is 00:33:40 of institutions to get political capital. The model collapses. Well, it's, it's like how, you know, petroleum generates electricity is, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:51 you shatter the bonds, uh, in, in, in the chemical itself. which releases energy, which powers whatever system. This is an extreme oversimplification. I'm not a chemist, but it's the exact same thing.
Starting point is 00:34:03 It's the exact same principles. It's like, yeah. It goes from a high energy state to a low energy state. Exactly. Catabolism. The phrase is cannibalism. It's catabolism. B-A-B-O-L-I-S-M.
Starting point is 00:34:15 As in catabolic. Yeah. Yeah, catabolic degeneracy. Well, it's, you know, and it's a powerful system, but the problem is is it feeds on. itself. You know, and it's reaching its absolute, you know, the absolute limit that it can reach without, the DEI, the trans stuff, we've got a couple of other stories that's going to touch on this. I don't want to get too much in depth, but it's the high water mark. And they've already
Starting point is 00:34:45 started going the other way. They have nothing left to burn. What institution of the government it still has credibility and trust. In an administrative state, everything becomes administrative. The academy, the churches, everything. That's just where we're at at this point. And they need, someone like Kauffinus needs to defend his position. He's already somebody who has stepped out on the limb with HBD, which, I mean, I don't think that's so much stepping out on a limb anymore.
Starting point is 00:35:22 I think he decided to do something at a time when, you know, when the... They were going to have to do this anyway. Yeah. Yeah, the danger was going down. So keep, it's almost like a limited hangout. If you know, if you know the limited hangout kind of... You could see them doing with this lab leak theory too. Like in 2022, they like, they tested the waters for admitting it and they withdrew.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't interrupt you, Pete. Go ahead. No, no, no. No, it's a perfect. It's a perfect example. when it's okay to be edgy boy when it's when something's already on the way out.
Starting point is 00:35:59 But by pointing out that if you, if the academy is now just one big lie and that people share in the lie and people glom on to the lie, you know, it's my whole thing of academics getting kicked out of, losing their jobs for plagiarism. it's like how can you plagiarize when you all have the same opinion? I mean, that's literally impossible. So it's basically it's white blood cells now. It's just protect, protect, protect, protect.
Starting point is 00:36:32 And if you're calling them all a liar, you're putting, his job is on the line. Yeah, his, yeah, good. No, I mean, I'm laughing, Pete, because that's exactly what I said to Chris Rufo. I said, like, going after Claudine Gay or whatever for plagiarism, these people all, like they have no original ideas. The only thing she didn't do is put it in her own words, but it's been all the same ideas in those departments for the last 20 years. Everything has plagiarism, right?
Starting point is 00:37:00 You're just, you're not even showing that she's dishonest. You're just showing that she's lazy, right? She couldn't, she couldn't put her work into a word processor and retype it. She's part of the hive. Yeah. She's just part of the hive. That's it. And she got punished for it because, well,
Starting point is 00:37:18 anti-Semitism was rearing its ugly head on campus and she had been taught that you let these people these kids they they part of their college experience is protesting well they just picked the wrong they picked the wrong subject yeah and well it's interesting because this is last year there was this explosion of people like the well they call themselves the elite human capital people I call them the new secular right these people who are kind of like we're going to ape leftist affectations and academic credentials
Starting point is 00:37:55 but also beyond the right wing I think that this whole system of people isn't the process of collapse and I do not think that they have anything to say after Trump won the second time and I think they're grasping for straws I think they're going to go back to being like the new atheist
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Starting point is 00:40:06 and their client groups are too opposed to each other, and there's no immediately forthcoming political formula. And Newsom is kind of gearing up in his little fiefdom of California to make a sort of last stand in 2028. I think that's what he's, he's trying to sort of reinvent the Bill Clinton political formula. I don't think it's going to work. I compared him to James the second at the boine,
Starting point is 00:40:30 to one of my friends. But the thing is, the thing is with it is that, yes, this is a collapsing system, but as Christopher Sandbatch likes to say, the Democratic Party is the historical party of power in the United States. And if the Democratic Party, and its edifices go away, nothing will come to fill that void.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Yes, they're collapsing, but who's going to fill that void? The Republicans? Yeah, there's nothing there, yeah. And that's where political crises occurs, when there's a breakdown of political authority, which is one of the most dangerous kind of civilizational crises you can go down.
Starting point is 00:41:10 It's more dangerous than a famine. It's more dangerous than a drought. Is a breakdown of political authority, because that's where you get, only civil wars, but, you know, something somewhat worse than civil war, something like the 30 years war, where it's just a total free-for-all, within a geographically limited area.
Starting point is 00:41:28 But anyway, I digress. I don't think we need to play the clip. Go ahead. There wasn't... I can summarize what is in the clip because it does segue right back to our original topic. But, I mean, the statement I made, and I think this is the clip, I told them, like, you need to be able to punish the universities, there needs to be a reckoning.
Starting point is 00:41:54 And before you do that, nothing can proceed. And that's the one thing that Nathan Kauffmanis actually does complain about affirmative action. But the second you do something to actually punish universities for implementing things like affirmative action, then he will immediately defend them as being the best and the brightest. yeah absolutely well this is the other thing I saw just kind of on that point and yes we're going to go back to our original topic but on that exact same vein
Starting point is 00:42:24 I saw a video recently where Mike Millie was in uniform talking about how people swore an oath to the Constitution and not a would-be dictator and the fact that that not Mike Markner whatever the fact that he's still drawing breath infuriates me I was going to point out did any of you see the article in the new
Starting point is 00:42:47 it's like the New York Mag intelligentsia or intelligence sis I forget what's called but it was about the um it was basically like a column in which multiple professors ranted about kids using AI now yeah this is related uh that that line like massive numbers of students are going to
Starting point is 00:43:06 graduate functionally illiterate in their subjects um there is actually maybe an obtuse hope in that because if if they're so reliant on AI rather than thinking critically about the topic, they're also kind of not going to be indoctrinated.
Starting point is 00:43:23 And they're, so what few American students are going to be in here and listen to these clips like what they was interviewing with these institutions. They're not getting the influence from the institution because they're not actually thinking about it. They're just telling the AI, the bullet points from the assignment and having the AI do it.
Starting point is 00:43:40 So there may be this, this idea, I'm not actually writing about this topic. In the same way that during COVID, the two to four years that students were away from the classroom created this vacuous student body that is essentially
Starting point is 00:43:55 very easy to radicalize in non-regime-approved views. Now you're going to have the same thing in colleges where you're going to have this generation of students that just typed it into AI and had AI do the Islam it. They're going to be ripe and primed for any kind of radicalization
Starting point is 00:44:11 because they didn't fill it with the university radicalization. Maybe in some ways this protest movement that's happening is a slight result of that to some degree, I don't know. I don't feel good about that. I agree with you, but I don't think that's a good thing. No, I mean, it raises a generation of people that just use AI as a certain of their thought process, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:36 so I don't know, this is... Go ahead. I would argue that a large amount of the political capital of young protesters comes from this radicalization pathway. Without it, they're not going to be radicalized as much. They'll be lazy,
Starting point is 00:44:57 do nothings, but they won't be in the streets during the next, like, riot or something. They won't care. They haven't been radicalized and collected the political capital to want to do something. They simply don't care. Yeah, I mean, I think mass apathy is what's eventually going to
Starting point is 00:45:16 go on. Well, one of the things that I'm the most worried about is the demographic decline amongst under 20s that is coming like a freight train, which scares me more than anything else. But gentlemen, I think we've talked about this quite a bit. Did any of you have any final thoughts about the University Wars, Mr. Cofness, the state of the academy or the state of the people going into the academy before we move on to our next topic? I'm good. All right. I guess we've beat this horse to death. Well, bringing us into our next topic, recently there was, I think Elon Musk made a tweet.
Starting point is 00:46:01 He said, you know, the GDP growth is absolutely vital to national security, et cetera, et cetera. And then I think some, you know, like fake-based senator or whomever quote tweeted it and said, it's impossible to refute him on this. and then some third individual responded to that senator or representative or whomever's quote tweets saying strip mine the national parks to yeah strip mine the federal parks to end the national debt
Starting point is 00:46:32 and we of course have our we have our beloved leader up there who is quite a naturalist and hunter himself who as I said earlier is currently in Africa literally on safari at the moment he had this to say America's natural beauty is not for sale go to port 100 million illegals and get rid of DEI
Starting point is 00:46:51 you know like actually do the job you were elected to do I completely agree with our president here well I mean the point is we talked about this red hawks on my show and we talked about this if you deport 100 million illegals if you lower the population if you
Starting point is 00:47:11 that helps not only the economy. It lowers prices. It lowers the prices of houses. It lowers the price of rent. It also lowers pollution. All of these things. But one of the things I want to point out here is strip mine the federal parks and the national debt. This is by data Republican. This is one of those people who got really famous for made the software where you could plug someone's name in or an NGOs name in and look exactly how much money they were getting USAID and everything. And it really goes to show that people, they were made hero. I mean, Trump mentioned, mentioned this person.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Elon highlighted this person. People were asking, you know, asking this person to come on. I think this person lost their job and people are like asking them to come on their podcast or find her a job, I believe, is a female. Of course it's a female. That's a total whammon moment right there. but it just goes to show that these people are they're not our people these Republicans are not are they're not our people they they're
Starting point is 00:48:24 they don't get it they they just don't get it they think these are just civic nationalists and it's their line go up people that's not what we're about we're not about line go up I remember going to her website and typing A-PAC and getting zero results, and I was instantly suspicious of it. There are certain groups that civic nationalists consider friendly that they seem to have censored off that data Republican website. I think that it was primarily a tool against the left, which good,
Starting point is 00:49:05 but it was not a tool to reflect on how the right is captured. and that is concerning and I think here we're seeing it again they're just about GDP they're just about their friends and allies we're not their friends we're just this like useful they view us as kind of like the useful
Starting point is 00:49:22 idiots to get into power and that's kind of like you feel used when you realize that and silly woman exactly do you think that you know this is an interesting question
Starting point is 00:49:36 so I have a different perspective I hate the GDP line go up thing. I get debates about this frequently. It's not a good representation of median well-being. It's a terrible representation of median well-being. But there's an obvious reason why a lot of people... You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design.
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Starting point is 00:51:49 printers stop going burr, which means that we have a catapult collapse of the Western financial systems. And that is something that is a huge can of worms that we haven't even begun to unwrap yet. ideally this is also one of the reasons why some people have speculated that the ruling class might be they might be pulling back on immigration it appears at least in some areas of Europe and in Canada I never know how seriously to take this rhetoric but certainly the rhetoric is in that direction and one possible reason is is that in the last five years it's become very very apparent that not only is immigration deleterious to median well-being which you can see quite clear clearly, but also that the immigrants they're bringing in our net negatives on GDP, which they do care about. Because if they don't have that, they can't keep on printing the money and borrowing. Which begs the question why we haven't, or at least our elite, haven't gotten this memo,
Starting point is 00:52:52 because the obsession with, like, picking your cherished third world group to bring over here to work your jobs, when we all know they're just going to be in welfare and taking, like, like, hiding a lot of tax money through remittances. I just don't understand why they haven't got them. I do see that nations like England, Poland, and France, they're getting them up, they realize it. They realize it's, it is actually, in fact, dropping the GDP, the more immigrants they bring in
Starting point is 00:53:21 because they're all in welfare and not contributing to the workforce. So when are we going to get that memo? Because they should have gotten it by now. Well, I mean, I think that they're just trying to get more power inside the sort of the primary superpower of the West. So they're thinking, oh, well, maybe it'll tank the economy, but I'm still trying to get as much power as possible before this thing collapses.
Starting point is 00:53:50 That's obviously the counterfeeling logic. And immigrants give that to them in the short term. You know, I want to take that and run with it a little bit. Go ahead, Pete. Go ahead, Paul. No, go ahead, please. Okay. I just want to take that and run with it a little bit. You talk about how, you know, maybe the mindset amongst the elite is like, yeah, this thing is inevitably going to collapse,
Starting point is 00:54:08 but I want to make sure that I get my little corner secure before it does. I think that's the prevailing attitude amongst a lot of people. One of the things I've kind of been obsessing with since I even got started is the concept of decline and collapse in crisis and what will eventually bring this to an end. And the same way that we were talking about in the last segment, how this parasitic political economy that he's, exists amongst this elite that basically goes from institution to institution, breaking the credibility and all of that.
Starting point is 00:54:41 I don't underestimate the capacity of this group of people to keep things going just long enough to ensure that they've siphoned as much out as they possibly can. And I don't know if there's any way to keep them from doing that, right? this actually gets into the topic of a couple of the talks that we had at the conference as to how you react to that. I personally, I don't know. I don't think there's any way around this catabolic collapse, and I don't think there's any way that we can make these people pay for taking all of the money out of our system because the one, they all have their landing pads more or less pre-selected. And this has been an ongoing thing since the system. 70s. So in all honesty, I think the best thing for us to do and the best thing for us to focus on
Starting point is 00:55:37 and something that the old glory club is starting to focus on is, you know, rather than, rather than, you know, attempting to map out how these people are taking the money or how they're, how they're shattering and emptying the vault, start making plans for what you're going to do whenever this catabolic collapse inevitably occurs. Because I, you know, Everyone and their mother can tell you that this system based on endless lending doesn't end very well. One of my favorite old letter collections, I think it's by Sedonis. It's basically the meeting minutes between the Gothic kings and the surviving Roman Senate after the Western imperial system collapsed. and one of the things that
Starting point is 00:56:26 constantly gets brought up by the Gothic monarch when they're meeting with the Senate is who gave you this tax relief, who gave you these workers? The Gothic kings don't understand how these Italian noblemen cut out a part of the former empire
Starting point is 00:56:42 for themselves without anyone noticing. And they're just flabbergasted by the amount of tax-free, easy living so many of the elite were living as the empire burned down. They thought they would find them impoverished and in need, but instead they found them living on their own little fortified piece of the pie. And one of the most common things I see in these meeting minutes in like the, this must be like the seventh and eighth centuries is the Gothic king looking at this and just stripping out all the benefits away and retaxing them to like maximum amounts because they haven't paid their dues to what they were calling the Roman Commonwealth in the post imperial system.
Starting point is 00:57:21 And I don't want to wait for some foreign conquest. or to come here and berate our elite for being so selfish. I don't want to wait my whole life watching them make their little fortified piece of the pie while everyone else dies and suffers. And unfortunately, I don't know how to like get them to care about investing in this nation. I don't know. I really don't know.
Starting point is 00:57:44 The only solution seems to be to just build your own and be a better person when you compete with these elite in the post-federal system, whatever comes. You have to just have something that you can barter with with these elite because they're amputating chunks of this empire for themselves. I remember what is it? I think this relates somewhat to the previous topic that we have with these universities. You know, I understand that I'm actually, I'm surrounded by three Catholics here,
Starting point is 00:58:21 but I'm going to make the comparison. When Henry VIII seized all of the monasteries in England, when he broke from the Catholic Church, I'm not going to speak to theological issues. The church owned one-third of the land in England. You know, the priests in England, I'm not going to speak to anywhere else in Europe. The priests in England were living in almost, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:47 extraordinary wealth, you know. And it, like the universities in the last segment that I think of, and, you know, much like how the, elite that we have today are building these little communities. And I think it started when the wasps basically threw their hands up in the 70s and said, we're cashing out. And you can still find they have their own little fortified community. Sandbatch will talk about them. They're in Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard. That's the ones that you know about. But then there's a bunch of other town names you don't know about. They're in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. They're in all of these other places with
Starting point is 00:59:24 their multi-million dollar houses and their controlled county governments. And it is walled off. and you can't get in. And they live amongst each other. And that's how this works. And, you know, I agree with you that I don't want to just, I don't want to see them just get away with it. But at the same time, it's like, well, what can you do? What can you do to hold them accountable to this?
Starting point is 00:59:49 We have a money-based system, unless you're willing to appeal to a power higher than gold, then I don't know. I don't think there's anything that can be done here. I'll drop the text in the... I'll drop the texts in the chat here, so you guys can read it in your own time. Is this...
Starting point is 01:00:12 Is one of those that undergraduate thesis that you... Or that graduate level thesis at Texas... No, no, no. That's a different one. These are the meeting minutes. The Roman Senate survived the fall of the Western Empire and became subject to the Austrogyzic kings. So they functioned as the...
Starting point is 01:00:30 They functioned as the bureaucratic... state under the Gothic Kings and the Gothic Kings being autistic Germans recorded the meeting minutes so you get to see the dialogues between the Roman senators and the Gothic Kings as the Gothic Kings kind of like set up a medieval
Starting point is 01:00:46 Dodge department to figure out what the hell went wrong here. Otto Walker did nothing wrong. At one point he just berates the senator, this one senator for living tax free for three generations and not having paid a single Senate taxes for the local roads.
Starting point is 01:01:02 that were now in complete disrepair. And he's just yelling at him like, why haven't you paid for the roads? Why haven't you rebuilt the aqueducts? Why haven't you rebuilt the bridges? You're surrounded by like a third world state while you're living in the palace with your pristine town. Why aren't you contributing to the Italian commonwealth? You know, that reminds me of some of the best universities
Starting point is 01:01:24 in the South and and elsewhere. Johns Hopkins and Duke immediately come to mind in Baltimore and in Durham, respectively. is that they're these like perfect little ivory tower. Princeton's another great example. Like beautiful places, beautiful campuses, well maintained, and they are just surrounded by the worst ghetto in the country, almost. You know, it's almost unbelievable to contrast.
Starting point is 01:01:50 And I can see that exact thing that you're speaking of there. And I think part of it is, you know, Alex Jones, I know I'm going to cite him, but he has that, I don't know if I got it from him or if he got it from some, one, but it's this concept of what's called a breakaway civilization. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th because the Liddle Newbridge Warehouse Sale is back. We're talking thousands of your favorite Liddle items all reduced to clear.
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Starting point is 01:04:07 And that's not even within their conception because we look at the world as, you know, or the German kings, look at this country, look at the world as, it's a commonwealth. It's like, you know, we're all trying to push into the same goal. We all have to live here. You know, but that's because we're middle class. That's because we're in the middle. That's because we're the ones who maintain the country. And the people who reap most of the benefit just simply don't look at it that way.
Starting point is 01:04:31 You know? so I'm sure there's a psychology aspect to it I know we had we had a funny little clip as to to demonstrate the state of the national parks where they're in it's like you want to strip mine them it's like well they're already kind of being strip mined look who's inhabiting all of them you know it's a great live stream
Starting point is 01:04:56 when we're forgetting to bring up our clips because the conversation is is that Niagara Falls yes yeah oh well that's been that's been and Central for ages. But I can see there's even more now. Wow. Yeah. That means you ended up
Starting point is 01:05:18 doing a nothing burger, though. Unfortunately. I can't even... That's where my parents went on their honeymoon. Niagara Falls? Yeah. That was something that people used to do. Yeah, I was going to say,
Starting point is 01:05:38 it's probably one of the nicer places in the country back when they did it. Yeah, yeah, back in the 60s, definitely. Although, I hate to say it, I think that's the Canadian side you're looking at. Well, they got to go somewhere. They can't all stay up there. But no, I mean, you know, one of the things that I've particularly liked in a turn is environmentalism
Starting point is 01:06:02 and the concept of environmental preservation as, you know, an issue that's no longer monopolized by the worst people on Earth. Because, you know, just about everyone would agree, anyone who's like healthy and upstanding would agree with you of a particular cultural background would say that it's probably important to preserve some aspect of the natural environment instead of you know just rolling it particularly the beautiful parts the the you know i'm not going to cry any tears when a patch of planes in oklahoma gets developed um but yeah exactly like like teddy roosevelt right there like of course you know we want to preserve
Starting point is 01:06:41 a sort of wild natural beauty, which only became a thing when we had the capacity to utterly destroy the wild natural beauty. It's something that, I don't know if we can never get it back, but it's something that it'll be very hard to get back once you lose it. And, you know, the problem is that in California, particularly with how they manage forests,
Starting point is 01:07:03 they do it in such a negligent, like, retarded manner that everything is just left free. once you start, once people start managing an environment, you can't stop managing it. You know, there's whole industries based around, like forestry. It's based entirely around the health of forests, preventing blights, you know, keeping forest fires from happening at too large of an extent, et cetera, et cetera. But you can't just like throw your hands up and like say, oh, it's, it's back to Eden. You know, you have to manage it somewhat.
Starting point is 01:07:38 That's why Park Rangers exist. you know, that's why you have whole sub-industries based around maintaining these park systems. But you can't do the opposite. You can't just utterly flood them with invasive species. You can choose to take that as a euphemism if you want. You can't just flood them with invasive species. And the problem is that particularly with these,
Starting point is 01:08:03 the problem with the national park system isn't is not that it is not accessible enough. It is that it has been made too accessible. It has been made too easy for people who don't care for the environment to go there and treat it like it's the McDonald's parking lot. And that's something that I think, you know, the club takes very seriously. And some thinkers on the side of things take very seriously. And I'm very glad that that is a, that is an issue that we've started reclaiming. I mean, environmentalism has to be part of any kind of non-progressive right-wing vision of human life,
Starting point is 01:08:44 because the environment is a critical part of human thriving. And we are not lying, go up people. We are thriving and spiritual and physical thriving of humanity people. That is our politics. And environment is a critical aspect of that. One question I have is, I mean, why is all the, sudden Indians at national parks. I never knew many Indians who were that outdoorsy. I guess I'm surprised to see that. Oh, I forget who was telling me this. It may have been our very own Red Hawk,
Starting point is 01:09:24 our president, that if you go up to, in Michigan and Northern Michigan and the thumb of the the mitt and the thumb of the mitt and up there, yeah, the UP. He said the national parks are run by them up there. Interesting. I mean, I know Niagara Falls because Niagara Falls is, that's, that's where they all have the weddings, right? But I'm surprised to see, yeah, they're not usually. Most Indians I've known have not been very outdoorsy, so that's an interesting thing.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Well, I, how I've had it explain is it's largely for clout, particularly with social media, all of the best overlooks, all of the most beautiful views or whatever are the most accessible by car, or at least the most iconic ones. and so what happens is
Starting point is 01:10:13 is they all crowd and I saw this with the Blue Ridge Parkway or Skyline Drive I think two years ago which is unfortunately proximate to Northern Virginia where a great deal of these people live and have lived for a very long time or at least for my life and we were driving by
Starting point is 01:10:31 one of the entrances to Skyline Drive and the entrance was packed halfway down the mountain right there was was a there was a traffic jam all the way halfway down the mountain that you have to drive up to get into the Shenandoah Valley where you know right by the skyline drive and it was all teslas and and these these other that's that's someone who drives a Tesla is this is a pretty good euphemism um and i saw them and it's it's it's like okay so you're just you just you're just
Starting point is 01:11:04 trying to get onto the trail drive to the first overlook take a photo at the overlook to put on your social media, your LinkedIn or whatever, right, for clicks. That's kind of what it, that's what drives them to these places. These are prestigious places within the society. It's the same reason why they'll go on like a quote unquote ski trip, but they'll, it'll be like, you know, they go to the bunny slope and then they go and they get a photo take and that's, that's all that they do it. It's, it's entirely for this vapid. So like, oh, look at me. I'm, you know, outdoorsy. It's very oriental. It's very performative and it's causing a lot of issues.
Starting point is 01:11:48 I can imagine. I mean, I know this is sort of the artificiality of all experience is going to be have something, have to be something that we take more seriously these days. And it's not helping, like the huge sort of cultural diversions of our society is not helping this problem. Absolutely. anything else on the national parks before we move on to our to our next topic or actually real quick before we move on to our next topic we're going to hit super chats
Starting point is 01:12:19 but any any final comments before we do that i was just looking at jd i'll stay for the first super chats but i have to probably sign off after that understood thank you very much for joining us day oh no my pleasure it was great time uh let me let me see if Oh, go ahead. I did find one of my favorite meeting minutes by Theodark to the Roman Senate in which he lambast the senators for dishonoring their heritage to take care of their own. You want to hear it? Or later on? Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Please. Please go ahead. This is Letter 24 to the Senate of Rome. He speaks a lot in third person, like we as in the king. We hear with sorrow by the report of the provisional judgment. judges that you, the fathers of the state, who ought to set an example to your sons, the ordinary citizens, have been so remiss in the payment of taxes that on the first collection, nothing or next nothing, has been brought in from the senatorial houses. Thus, a crushing weight has fallen on the lower orders of citizens who have had to make good on your deficiencies and have been distraught by the violence of the tax gatherers. now then conscript fathers
Starting point is 01:13:39 who owe as much duty to the Republic as do as we do pay the taxes for which for which each one of you is liable to the procurators appointed in each province by three installments
Starting point is 01:13:53 or if you prefer to do so and is used to be accounted by your privilege pay it all at once into the chest of the state's coffers and let this following edict be published that all the provincials may know that they are not to be imposed upon
Starting point is 01:14:11 and that they are invited into your state for grievances. Like he's basically telling them if you don't pay your taxes, I'm going to let the commenters legally enter your state and complain to you and like throw a hissy fit. And he just goes on at this, like there's dozens of letters like this in which he discovers like they haven't paid taxes in four or five generations and the local roads have gone. You catch them in the corner of your eye.
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Starting point is 01:15:39 Great to see you back at Spec Savers. Okay, could you read out the letters on the wall for me? Yep. D-E-A-L-S? Yeah, D-E-A-L-S. Deals. Oh, right, yes. Our Black Friday deals are eye-catching, but the letter charts over here.
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Starting point is 01:16:25 medieval Dodge Department to investigate the senatorial houses and where their money is gone. Reminds me of when they sent the illegals to frigging Martha's Vineyard, which I thought was a brilliant move. Yeah, this is not new. These patterns repeat many times. Anyway, to the superchats. Indeed. First one from Maple Copperhead for $10 U.S. dollars.
Starting point is 01:16:55 He says, salute from the James Oglethorpe Society, your Old Glory Club brothers in Georgia. Well, thank you, Mr. Copperhead, and I salute you back for the James Oglethorpe Society. Thank you for tuning in. next brings us to Solid Snake, 1964, for $10. He says, Evening Gents, so glad to see something is being done about the army of Chinese, quote, students, unquote, that have infested at our universities. I didn't go to university, but even Vegas's was infested with them.
Starting point is 01:17:23 That's the thing, that's something I've noticed. It's, you know, everyone who I talk to who's involved in any sort of graduate level education and even PhD, like they'll say like every PhD department in STEM or graduate department in STEM is just overrun. run by Chinese nationals. Yeah, it's such a problem. I'm still having like nightmares from when I was a student. It was a problem in my undergrad years and it was a bigger problem
Starting point is 01:17:50 in my graduate years. And they just help each other cheat unbelievably. Usually there's like one guy who's like the son of some government guy in China and he'll get a little click of like various sons of corporate people and he'll just like order one to
Starting point is 01:18:08 do the assignment and then everyone benefits from that and they just copy paste everything. And if they get caught, they don't give a shit because they're paying double the tuition of what Americans do and the university wants that money. All of our solutions are Fed posts. Solid Snake 1964 again for $5. He says also Asha Logos's YouTube channel, in my opinion, is top tier stuff. His video on the winged Hazars, I thought was presented masterfully. Snake approved even in a salute.
Starting point is 01:18:39 I used to watch National Logos. I haven't seen this stuff recently. But thank you, Mr. Solid Snake. Then Mr. Padre speaks for $5. He says, listening to raw distilled American culture before the stream starts as I read a battle tech novel
Starting point is 01:18:56 as cozy as it gets on a rainy night in upstate South Carolina. At the OGC conference, One of my favorite conversations was having Yes explained to me the sublime American aesthetics of battle tech and how it was it carried forward the kind of like
Starting point is 01:19:16 top gun American Maverick style attitude into like a future Star Wars future. I never got into battle tech. Neither of I, but it was really cool to hear. Yeah, no, I used to sell it when I worked at at a hobby store, but I know Mandrell's really big into it.
Starting point is 01:19:39 Mr. Padre speaks in case you haven't heard, there is a South Carolina chapter of the Old Glory Club that is currently spinning up that we can get you in touch with if you're still listening. Caleb, for $19.99, he said, Dave, really enjoyed your appearance on the gauntlet this year. El Themplar, I curse Vishnu. Now blast that whistle, boys, and let's deport $75 million.
Starting point is 01:20:01 All right, let's get a whistle for the super chat. I can't even remember what I talked about on the gauntlet, but yeah, it's a good show. I just remember, I haven't talked to let. He doesn't go by Lambda anymore, does he? I don't know. His YouTube channel still called that. Okay. Yeah, I haven't talked to him in, like, a good year.
Starting point is 01:20:29 I have to say hi again. Yeah, it's kind of funny. The space has gotten so big that I'm just losing contact with people based on very, virtual distance. Like, I just can't, I can't keep track of everyone in the space anymore. So I guess naturally there's going to be just some people you have to move away from this because there are so many different things going on. All right, moving on. Next up is a ski bum 220 for he sends in a super chat for $25. Thank you very kindly, sir. And he sends a salute. Well, I salute you back. Thank you for joining us, sir.
Starting point is 01:21:08 Indian ski bum would be a great online moniker Yeah it would be Memphis For a file I'm sorry for this one Dave Memphis for five dollars he says here's one dollar for every 20 IQ points Dave has Human capital is inevitable And it's so over for the O for the woke right Yeah that was like the um
Starting point is 01:21:36 copness after he do a little trolling it's called we do a little trolling on Twitter when I was like reposting my arguments he was just talking about how I was just too low IQ to understand his trust the experts like elite human capital or like an expert as anybody who I say is an expert which is basically his position and now he's going after what is that guy he's going after like Chris Langan I think like he's going after his IQ he's trying to do like a 215 IQ yeah exactly but he's trying to debunk it he's trying to debunk it right because I believe Nathan Coppon was also originally, like he was one of the original people that was trying to debunk, what is that, culture of critique, Kevin. Oh, Kevin McDonald. Kevin McDonald. Yeah, he was originally trying to debunk Kevin McDonald. And, you know, that's sort of his angle on HPD, as you might imagine. Am I implying things too hard?
Starting point is 01:22:37 I'm sorry. but yeah, yeah, it's, the IQ obsession has kind of become a little cringe at the stage, at least in that sphere, but whatever. Well, I think people are kind of realizing that virtue and moral character, sure, there may be a little bit of an IQ element to that, but like, you know, we've seen, we've seen enough really smart people with high IQs lie to us and, you know, basically try to kill us. So I think IQ is out of fashion.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Yeah. I mean, it's more important to know who you can trust. Exactly. Who's up next? Death for $5. I noticed that a small group of people, the Security Council,
Starting point is 01:23:26 run all the shots in Russia. All of them are ethnic Russian, not rootless cosmopolitans. I shared a video, I think, in the comments earlier of a I think it was a rabbi or some higher up saying that
Starting point is 01:23:43 anyone of Jewish descent needs to get out of Russia that it's not safe to be in Russia it's not safe for Jews to be in Russia but Putin's a Russian a Jewish puppet so you know try to figure that out or it's probably just a grand plot he's he's part of the K-Fabe and everything like that, I, I, I can't
Starting point is 01:24:07 stand these people. Some of these people are bigger Zionists than like Theodore Herzl. They think that like they're, they're like Uber munches or something like that. It's amazing. Either Biden's cabinet was captured like a Putin's cabinet.
Starting point is 01:24:26 Oh my God. Hunger. Good friend of ours for $20. He says, Dave, you're great and very high IQ. At least it counterbalances the previous one. And he gave us more money. gave us more money, so I guess we're going to count his as true. But the fact that you had, but the fact you had to show a dartboard graph to explain lying is worse than incompetence is an indictment on their morality, not their intelligence.
Starting point is 01:24:55 They know they're lying for political gain. We know they're lying. They know we know. Everything after that is post hoc rationalization. Yeah, we're going to come to this perspective one way or the other. I mean, this is the reason why I'm part of the right wing is because it's the only place where people are actually having conversations that mean anything. Have you, like, I know you guys don't look at leftist media,
Starting point is 01:25:20 but it is, like, it is, the far left media sphere has, they've got nothing, they're talking about nothing. They're just, it's just a giant cope session. They're not even exploring interesting ideas. It's a little bit interesting to see the New York Times tried to reposition itself and get to a new narrative, kind of a Gavin Newsome transformation,
Starting point is 01:25:44 but everyone else outside of right wing and right wing adjacent spheres is just not talking about anything that's meaningful it seems. Beautiful sworn of vent a black coal. I made that. There's an account on YouTube.
Starting point is 01:26:01 I do pay attention to kind of like fringe left wing accounts on YouTube just to see if anything is breaking their control mechanisms. There's this account. Aiden Hall he made a video called
Starting point is 01:26:17 Who Broke the Democrats? And most of it is Slop. It's basically reinforcing the Democrat internal political dialects. But he does bring up a few interesting points, but it's a good
Starting point is 01:26:34 example of how they're completely lost. And the video is like 200,000 views on YouTube. They're clearly talking about these things, but they're just repeating the party line a lot of times. They're completely lost of any future endeavors, it seems. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive. By design.
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Starting point is 01:28:26 Ask in store for details. Yeah, it's, there's, I don't know, I don't want to say that the left is out, but something very serious is broken inside their system. and it's almost more likely that the right wing is sort of the future of what young people believe in this country, at least who are native-born. Because I don't know what else. I mean, I guess there's still women. They're still college-educated women.
Starting point is 01:28:55 But they're sort of like the ultimate kind of compliance, joiner, agreeableness types. So when the Democrats are on the back, but they don't have any ideas, they're just trying to look. for who to join and there's there's no answer so it just kind of goes off into incoherence the New York mayor race will be something to pay attention because I mean there what's that guy Zahan or something the the weird Muslim guy they're trying to pull a Sadie Khan in Manhattan
Starting point is 01:29:30 the Democrats and it'll be interesting to see if it if it falls flat on its face as like a relic of a yesteryear woke or if there's still some remnant woke strength in the cities pay attention to it when it happens it's this year, it's not next year it's November 4th this year
Starting point is 01:29:49 is our election for New York and it will be worth paying attention to see how it goes I think Eric Adams is running as an independent because he got kicked out of the Democrat candidacies Yeah, I mean
Starting point is 01:30:06 I don't know I get the sense that they're trying to pull back the whole Sadiq Khan revolution in London as well, the sort of powers that be. So I have no idea where this is going to go, but I don't know. There's this an opportunity here. Like there's this an opportunity here to organizing young men is exactly where everyone needs to be thinking right now. And I'm not so sure. I mean, it's amazing that there aren't more people trying to do it. because it's absolutely the thing that we should be doing
Starting point is 01:30:40 or anyone should be doing who wants to actually change anything. On that note, join the Old Glory Club. Join your local chapter of the Old Glory Club. You don't have a local chapter of the Old Glory Club. Get one started. You just need five other guys and to spin one up to incorporate in whatever state that you're in. And we'll handle everything else for you.
Starting point is 01:31:02 So get involved. It is the best political act. of course we are not a political organization the best political act is to avoid politics and to build community with your with your brothers in the OGC so get involved if you can and this will be the
Starting point is 01:31:21 this next super chat will be our last super chat before we go back to our next topic we have a bunch of others but we'll save those for the end and it is from Hunter counts for 10 US dollars thank you sir and he says great to see Dave on an OGC stream It is great to see you, Dave.
Starting point is 01:31:37 Thanks, man. Thank you. I should do more, but it's the time thing. Absolutely. Well, on that note, Dave, I know you said you had to get going here, so you're free to do so. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. I'll talk to you guys later.
Starting point is 01:31:55 Take care, Dave. Bye. And then there were three. All right, now that Dave's gone, we can actually get into the fun topics. So I would personally like to issue on behalf of, of the old glory club a a congratulations i can't issue i don't have the authority to do that sort of thing um but i do want to issue uh congratulations to uh mr george floyd of minneapolis minnesota for five years no felonies congratulations sir i mean who knew who knew that's what was going to
Starting point is 01:32:39 that's what it was going to take to get him drug-free. Some people just, they need all the help they can get. You know, we can rebuild him. We have rebuilt him. That's the, you know, all he needs is a unlimited supply of Fent, and he can do unbelievable things. Look, I mean, this is somebody who could have, you know, his life cut short and he could,
Starting point is 01:33:11 could have cured cancer, helped Musk terraform Mars. It's a great loss, and I'm sure by this point, you know, Trayvon Martin would have figured out how to feed all of the poor in the world. So let's remember the fallen. Well, you know, he was an aspiring philosopher, too. You know, the statement that he had, you know, this young generation has clearly lost. man clearly lost and he was at a loss for words, I think would very much betrayed a 21st century Plato.
Starting point is 01:33:50 And it's a very deep shame that we did lose him. The N-word! So true. But May 25th, 2025, marks five years since the George Floyd incident occurred, which was the... I think on that. I don't even know how to describe it. It was almost a religious incident, you know, some sort of mass psychosis event that
Starting point is 01:34:16 that shaped the country and kicked off the summer of, some people call it the summer of love, but I think we all call it the summer of Floyd because it better exemplifies it. And it feels like it was like 40 years ago. It doesn't feel like it was five years ago. I don't know if you gentlemen disagree. You know, I remember, I was still fairly liberal back then, and I remember all the church is trying to turn him into a saint. And for a brief time, I was leaning towards falling for it.
Starting point is 01:34:50 But once I started reading that autopsy report, I was like, oh, this is another bullshit thing. And it's one of those nexus points I can look back on and say that that's when I stopped being leaptarded. That's when, like, the veil collapsed. Yeah, for most, for most, oh, go ahead, Pete. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like I'm sitting there and I'm watching an obvious criminal. And then there's George Floyd in the picture. And, you know, it's like, who do you root for? And it's like, well, you know, I struggle with this. I see a certain class of, certain class in this, a certain class that's supposed to be a protector, being a protector
Starting point is 01:35:40 of the people who came here afterwards or the people who do the 13 that do 60 instead of heritage Americans and the people who actually care about this country and it's something that I struggle with. The N-word! You know what the N-word is?
Starting point is 01:36:00 Yeah. If you want to understand idolatry, if you want to understand the inborn, we're all Christians. you know we know this we all know this every human being that was ever created has this slot in their mind where god is supposed to go every human being cannot help but worship in some way or in some form something and a lot of people think oh we'll know we're in the we're in
Starting point is 01:36:31 the 21st century it's it's this is this is and I know this is kind of trite no one really thinks this but it's like a lot of people at least previously struggled to see what the idols of this world are and that's kind of like like asking a fish what waters is. But George Floyd, and what spawned around him, is, I think, the clearest and most blatant example of idolatry that we can find. It's like, I think it's in the book of Daniel. It's like when Nebuchadnezzar raised up the statue and ordered everyone to lay down for it,
Starting point is 01:37:11 to worship it. know if correct me if that's wrong i think that's in the book of daniel um yeah and and and and and have everyone worship it and it's it's a similar thing it's it's just this very blatant and obvious you know you had churches you know it the sight of his death became you catch them in the corner of your eye distinctive by design they move you even before you drive the new cooper plug-in hybrid range for Mentor, Leon and Terramar. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2000 euro. Search Coopera and discover our latest offers. Coopera, design that moves. Finance provided by way of higher purchase agreement from Volkswagen Financial Services Ireland Limited, subject to
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Starting point is 01:38:38 Became a site of pilgrimage. People were getting baptized there. you know it was a weird time statues of him basically what it told me was that we were
Starting point is 01:38:55 and remember at the same time we're still most of the country still going through COVID lockdowns all of these things you know the arguments over oh you know the virus is really dangerous but it's more important
Starting point is 01:39:12 to go out there and march for, burn stuff down for racial justice. But really what that should have told you is or should have told you that the president is not in charge. Yeah. Because he couldn't do any, I mean, if I were a president
Starting point is 01:39:28 looking back, I don't know what I would have done. But if I were president now, you know, the way I am now, I would have put, you know, 101st airborne has been deployed to the streets of the United States before and put down riots. They did in L.A. twice, I believe.
Starting point is 01:39:50 I think the 101st was in 92, and the Watts riots in 67. I don't know if it was 101st, but there was definitely, you know, troops on the street. And that's what needed to be done. And these people needed to be put down. They needed, I mean, I got, this is my first, I think my first Twitter account that I've never gotten back. the one I made in like 2008
Starting point is 01:40:14 was nuked because I said that these are communists and we should shoot them dead in the street and I mean that's the same way I feel and if it happens again I don't think it's going to happen this summer but it is coming it will be happening again
Starting point is 01:40:29 probably 2020 probably 2028 most definitely we'll have some stuff in between now and then but these people need to be put down when they do it And if you don't do that, you're not a serious country. You're not a serious country.
Starting point is 01:40:50 I really have to admit that, you know, at that time, I was still a bit libtarded, but even apolitically seeing Trump just do nothing as the country burned down, it left a certain bad taste in my mouth with Trump. I mean, I'm glad he's back. I'm very glad he's back because I did not want the fucking parade. of Biden's do nothings for more years here but just seeing him
Starting point is 01:41:17 complain and do nothing back then some degree there's a echo of that I'm feeling now in this second term people forget you know like yeah Donald Trump was president when that happened right
Starting point is 01:41:31 so he he had the opportunity to rise above the occasion and he just didn't yeah I don't know I don't know. It's
Starting point is 01:41:49 kind of the what is it? It's it's it, it heralded the it heralded the start of the crisis I suppose that'll last throughout these, you know, 2020s or at least in the same way I think that the 60s led into the 70s.
Starting point is 01:42:08 I think the summer of Floyd started the true crisis of the Trump era which was you know, COVID and, and the color revolution which follows from it. And yeah, I believe in much the same way that the 60s, the crisis that the 60s brought about preceded the 70s. We haven't heard the last of the,
Starting point is 01:42:32 or at least it's been much more contained because we're all online. But this crisis of the 2020s will lead into a sort of, I guess, I guess a breakdown in the 2030s. that'll be likened to the 70s, whether it's as bad or worse is another matter. But yeah, I mean, it's important to keep
Starting point is 01:42:52 these things in mind. You said earlier, cringy, that this is like the burned down of the friend's republic. I might even liken it to the breakup of perhaps Yugoslavia, though I don't know if there's enough of a political economy
Starting point is 01:43:08 in the United States outside of the government to make it happen. That was out of fire alarm, that beep, that was my air conditioner. There is probably a lot of similarities to Spain, early 1930s as well. I want to recommend
Starting point is 01:43:28 a book that I've been slowly working through Richard Harris, Justice, the Crisis of Law, Order, and Freedom in America. He was, I think, embedded in the Nixon and Johnson administrations, especially in the courts, and documents
Starting point is 01:43:44 what went wrong at that time. The subtext of this title is an alarming report on the very different uses made of the Justice Department by Ramsey Clark and John Mitchell, which worked with like the AGs at the time. It is a really good book written in what year was this? It should be written here somewhere.
Starting point is 01:44:07 1970. Right in the middle of it. And it is quite prophetic from its time period of publication, as well as insightful in terms of how institutions get captured and get used against the native population. I've been meaning to scan it in. It's quite a good book. It's about 250 pages. I don't even know if this book is in any libraries anymore. I found it in the garbage one day, and it's like, that looks interesting, and it was. I'll maybe scan it, but it's Richard Harris's justice. We'll seek it out if you can. Thank you for that recommendation.
Starting point is 01:44:45 And yeah, I mean, you know, the, look at the, I've been kind of on the Vietnam War recently and Vietnam era films and things like that. And that's kind of, the Vietnam era is where you kind of see the world that we currently inhabit. I put this out before. I don't think we live in the post-World War II order. I think the post-World War II order in Bretton Woods fell apart in the latter I mean it fell apart a couple of years after Korea and the 60s is kind of
Starting point is 01:45:24 the true fine well it fell apart in around the 70s is when it fell apart but we don't live in the post-World War II Breton Woods World Order that that world order created the 1950s and even the early 1960s which were somewhat decent times to be alive. We live, in my opinion, in the post-Vietnam world order, which includes the post-Civil rights world order. When people are talking about FDR, FDR is kind of ancient history at this point.
Starting point is 01:45:58 Who they really should be talking about is LBJ, is the kind of the man who created this mess that has just kept continually reinforcing itself. and there's a whole other history you can read into it. But Vietnam and the Vietnam War is exceptionally similar to COVID and what occurred in the 2020s. It was the first time that something like this was, you know, we call it Psiops these days. But what it basically was, was the media and those who present information functionally all decided that we were going to lose this war in Vietnam. were going to do everything that they could to ensure that we were losing this war in Vietnam,
Starting point is 01:46:42 and to present that image to the American public, no matter what the facts were, in order to further their domestic political agenda of civil rights, of letting in global immigration, of anti-unquote imperialism, or global communism. That is functionally what occurred in the Vietnam War, and that's why you can't ever really engage with the Vietnam War, honestly, because you're not talking about the war itself. The war was unbelievably lopsided, and we were the good guys in Vietnam.
Starting point is 01:47:23 We were the good guys by a very large margin. You read about what the Viet Cong did, you realize, oh, yes, no, we were the good guys. And, you know, you can throw out a my lie if you want to. but I digress. Functionally, this is, and, you know, Malcolm X vocalized it when he said that, oh, you know, the white man lost in Vietnam. He lost to a bunch of rice herders with sticks. You know, and that was the, that was the narrative, functionally.
Starting point is 01:47:55 That was the narrative that the media was trying to manufacture. It's like, you know, it's like when you convince, you placebo a healthy person into thinking that they're sick. and then it kind of follows along. That's what occurred in the 1960s, when the media first became self-conscious of what it could do as the purveyors of information. And Vietnam really was a societal sciop,
Starting point is 01:48:23 and it was a, we are going to lose this war and we're going to sacrifice as many American soldiers as we can in order to further this domestic policy. and I believe the same thing or at least 2020 was and they've pulled this a variety of times you know between Vietnam and now
Starting point is 01:48:44 and I think 2020 and COVID was really it was the last time that they could pull something like this because the internet and now everyone is their own media producer now everyone is a news station now everyone's a journalist and everyone is constantly seeing stuff all
Starting point is 01:49:02 the time. Now they have too much competition. There's no monopoly of information anymore. And but the thing is you can still draw the comparison, you can
Starting point is 01:49:18 draw the through line. And I don't know, when they first became self-conscious of the power that they had, it more or less shattered the country and reshaped it, and that's what's brought us here today. We can sit here and talk about the elites and who has all the money and all of that.
Starting point is 01:49:36 But ultimately these people, the elites, and who has the money and all of that, believe in narratives. And the narratives that they believe in are put out by increasingly desperate and cornered traditional left-wing media sources. And they will go away, but the thing is
Starting point is 01:49:54 that vacuums tend to exist for a little bit without anything to fill them. I know that was a long ramble, but that's kind of what I've been on recently. And I think it very well compares to what happened in 2020. I think if I were to choose Vietnam movies, it would be platoon battle movies, platoon, full metal jacket, hamburger hill.
Starting point is 01:50:29 And then at-home movies would be to just really get the propaganda of everything is born on the 4th of July and Gardens of Stone. Those are all really good movies. So are you saying those as like correct depictions or depictions of the propaganda? The ones at home would be, well, born on the 4th of July is obviously the propaganda. Gardens of Stone, I think, there's a lot of propaganda in it, but it's a lot more realistic of of the arguments. Gardens of Stone is
Starting point is 01:51:05 one of my favorite movies of all time. And it is the most... I call it Apocalypse Now's good twin. It was also directed by Coppola, and I, canonically in my mind, they think they take place in the same universe. But it's the exact opposite of Apocalypse now in every single way.
Starting point is 01:51:28 But Apocalypse Now kind of fits this narrative But Gardens of Stone is one of the only, like there's only like a handful of movies that you can pick that actually depict sort of the real. And I think Gardens of Stone is the most realistic depiction of America at the time because in Gardens of Stone, it's normal. Life is normal.
Starting point is 01:51:50 Everyone is acting like a normal person in day-to-day life. And I see in that, I see the 1960s, I see it's like a mix of today, modern day life. Especially for someone who's served, Gardens of Stone is one of the most specific depictions of the army you'll ever see. But,
Starting point is 01:52:09 but, you know, for someone to serve, it's so familiar to you, you know, but it's also so foreign. This is the army that you hear stories about, but it's also the army that you've lived and experienced on an everyday basis. I don't mean to nerd out about that.
Starting point is 01:52:22 I know we've got one more topic to cover in super chats and all that, and we're already almost at two hours, but, but, like, in terms of, an actual not propaganda, like actually kind of depicts honest things happening. Gardens of Stone is a good one because it actually focuses,
Starting point is 01:52:39 like the protest stuff is as much in the background as the war is. The Green Berets starring John Wayne, We Were Soldiers is actually somewhat honest. Yeah, that's a, I mean, it's a hard-hitting movie. It's a movie that you're going to react to emotionally. too as well. Yes. But it's
Starting point is 01:53:05 it is honest, right? At least in some respects. But, you know, if you want to, like, but the thing is that the narrative, the propaganda is platoon. It is Hamburger Hill. It's the deer hunter.
Starting point is 01:53:20 It's Rambo First Blood. It's, um, apocalypse now even. It's, it's, it's, it's, all of these. I always put, I always put apocalypse now as its own like there is no other movie like that
Starting point is 01:53:34 especially the Redux version there's like there's that stands on it I know it's a Vietnam movie but it's so much more than a Vietnam movie too sure sure and it's an adaptation of Conrad but ultimately the theme
Starting point is 01:53:50 and the message of the movie is that war is an insane drug trip that makes no sense and even that in and of itself kind of reinforces the narrative in its own way. I love Apocalypse now, just so you know. But, you know, anyway, we've gotten well off of Floyd. Let's move. Yeah, let's move on.
Starting point is 01:54:10 Yeah, but this is, this is something that I'd encourage the readership to look into, because the 60s really was like the first prototype, the first use of the stuff that they've used even all the way through 2020. And it's, it's breaking down, but I don't think anything will come to fill it. Anyway, bringing us to our final topic of the day, Speaking of breaking down, the Democratic Party is having a hard time dealing with the fact that it was dealt its biggest electoral loss in a very long time. So the Aryan champion, Mayor Pete, is trying to, has a new strategy to appeal to the young white men that they have lost. Of course we should be talking about how, yeah, if, you know, Speaker Johnson got his way, it wouldn't be possible not just for gay people to get married,
Starting point is 01:55:01 but for straight people to get divorced, let alone like birth control or how he would want to regulate porn or whatever. People, most people would have a problem. Based, based, but everything he said so far as, I mean, it's like, okay, let's, let's, let's fucking go. Exactly. I mean, they almost sound kind of like the last embers of early 2000s, new atheism. and they think, oh, if we just make that look cool again, they'll come back.
Starting point is 01:55:35 But that's a dead and dying worldview that failed to deal with the realities of life, and people don't want to go back to that. They don't want to go back to their white boy libertarism with porn and everything. It destroyed them, and those who have escaped don't look back at, Well, don't look back at that because they view it like Sodom, and if they look back, they'll fall of assault or something. The movements of young white boys now is really just like, you're either a Catholic trad or a vitalist.
Starting point is 01:56:13 That's really all there is, and people that are tapping into that will win, and people that want to disgorge that will not win. Yeah, pick your flavor of extreme right-wing politics is what young men are increasingly turning into. to the horror of people like James Lindsay and, you know, the classical liberal crowd, the left-left me crowd, where they, you know, young men are starting to realize that, you know, democracy doesn't work. You know, as Jeff Dice said, democracy just tells you that you're not allowed to choose you.
Starting point is 01:56:55 You're not allowed to be on your own side. You have to be on somebody else's side. and people are starting to realize that they have to reject that or they die. Do you remember in the last months of the Biden administration, this meme was going around called the Social Contract, and there were different national versions for different language groups. You know, there's like a Portuguese version, a French version, and a Spanish version, like Spain, Spanish,
Starting point is 01:57:27 or, you know, an Italian version and whatever, and it all had basically this 30-year-old, there was American version, of course, too. And it, you know, you had this 30-year-old white guy who's like this white collar super stressed, and you see all of the places
Starting point is 01:57:44 that his labor was pouring into. It's like, and, you know, the white guy was named. And it's like, via this entity, it's going to Juan in Mexico, or via this entity, this other entity, it's going to Simon and Linda, 65
Starting point is 01:57:59 and 70, right? Who are going on a cruise in the Caribbean or it's going to you know, Lashonda and via snap. Right. And I think more and more
Starting point is 01:58:15 and more young white guys, particularly young middle class white guys, realize that they are the only net contributors in this system just about everyone else is living a far greater lifestyle, a far better lifestyle where they have community, where they have, you know, they don't worry about the same things and they are paying for all of it and they get nothing out of it. They're just, they're kind of expected and in other ways they're kind of forced to do it.
Starting point is 01:58:45 And, you know, and the thing is with it, you know, like that meme is spreading around so many young white guys, young middle class white guys, they felt something's wrong for a very long time. It's just they felt as though the whole state apparatus exists to ensure that they can't do anything about it. It exists to ensure that they can't find a way to have their labor contribute to something other than this stuff. and even the stuff that was kind of given to them to placate them, you know, that was very bad for them, but, you know, video games, porn, drugs, these other things, you know, even that,
Starting point is 01:59:35 because that's a horrible, empty hollow existence, but, but, and it's unsustainable, but even that wasn't left alone. Gamergate's what's brought us all here, at least that's the popular narrative, is that Gamergate is what brought us all here. And I said it earlier, but this signaling from
Starting point is 01:59:54 people like Pete whose last name is literally but gay his last name is literally but gay you know Gavin Newsom is doing the same thing is it's like the only thing that I think some elements of the Democratic Party the quote unquote moderates you know or the DNC types
Starting point is 02:00:20 who are outside of the activist class I think what they're trying to do or they're trying to signal is they're like the centrist, the adults are back in the room, the party of power is coming back and, you know, Newsom is like the second coming of Bill Clinton. You know,
Starting point is 02:00:37 it's like, oh, we're going to finally put a normal guy who, you know, and hey, we're going to let you have your porn back in your video games and da-da-da-da. It's very out of touch.
Starting point is 02:00:46 It's very out of touch. It's, you know, happy new year, 2012. It, it's, it's not, they're not in the game functionally. If this is, if this is what they're signaling,
Starting point is 02:01:00 if this is what they're coming up with. And they're trying to hope to kind of, they're signaling to the Joe Rogan, the left, left me crowd. I don't know how much of value this is, but apparently Joe Rogan's been attending church. You know, like, that's, that's a signal. Like, the left, left me crowd has realized, oh, well, you know, there is no left left left.
Starting point is 02:01:22 Um, and so looks like we've got to start changing to fit the, the world. Because Rogan's savvy. He wouldn't have the show he has if he wasn't. I think he understands where the wind is growing, where the wind is blowing and where his audience is going. So I'm not saying it's entirely cynical, but, hey, go ahead. In that article I sent you that I wrote recently, I, I call this like, they're entropic people. When political cap, when the ability. to create political capital
Starting point is 02:01:55 collapses and you're left in this entropic state where you can't really create energy you try to just find any dopamine hit you can find and that's really what Pete Buttigey here is offering are
Starting point is 02:02:10 entropic little bubbles of energy to feel like you're doing something when you're just getting older and dying you're not actually doing anything you're either a ghost dancer for dead people or just this really like a crab in a bucket
Starting point is 02:02:28 crabs in a bucket pulling people back down at entropy and if you can manage to convince people that that's what it is if you can shoo away the bullshit that they wrap it in and just show them eyes wide open that it's just entropy
Starting point is 02:02:45 they'll never vote for it again the key is to make that clear because people will fall for it they're that desperate A large amount of this country is that desperate that if Trump fails, they will want to go with the Democrats, and that will give them the political capital to destroy everyone like us.
Starting point is 02:03:02 They have to be exposed for the entropic people they are. I think this is going to be my final thoughts before we go into the super chats and bring this ship home. If anyone from the Trump administration
Starting point is 02:03:23 or anyone who is in the Trump administration or has a line to the Trump administration Stephen Miller, if you're listening, I doubt he is. He's so busy. Probably doesn't have time. But if someone, someone, anyone in our audience. Baron? Barron. I don't, I don't care who.
Starting point is 02:03:44 You have to understand. This is a meme at this point. I don't know a better way to articulate it. You don't know what time it is, or at least you're not acting like you do. You're not acting like you do. You are not moving fast enough. You are not moving swift enough.
Starting point is 02:04:05 You need to stop thinking about the midterms. You need to stop thinking about, you know, getting a successor in in 2028. No, you can't do that. Because if you fail, if you fail, right, if you fail and no one else is coming after you, You know, maybe within your own apparatus, you might be able to establish some kind of Trumpian resistance movement within some GOPs in some states. But it'll be disjointed because this is the problem with cults of personality.
Starting point is 02:04:38 Once the big man, once the leader is gone, it shatters. Right. And so this is the thing is you all, whoever is listening or whoever can bring this to the administration, they need to know this is that. And I give them the benefit of the doubt. but if you do not permanently destroy the Democratic Party and the left using state power, frankly, both within and without your government, if you do not do that, they are going to come back in 2028 or 2032 or 2036. They're patient. They're patient.
Starting point is 02:05:16 You know, they've got money. They can figure it out. They'll shore up. they'll try to rebuild a new political narrative. When they come back, we are all going to be killed. We are all going to be killed. The future of the Democratic Party is not Gavin Newsom or Pete or whomever else. It is the young activist class that is going to be handed the keys to the kingdom
Starting point is 02:05:42 because they're the only one there to get it, and they are going to use it to enact their ideological, goals on the population that has resisted them. On the population of this country, middle Americans fly over, whatever you want to call them, heritage, whatever. White people is what they are going to affect it on. Your base. Your base.
Starting point is 02:06:11 Who put you in the White House that you built a coalition on the backs of? Those white evangelicals who cling to their guns. guns in their religion put you and your administration in the White House. And if you go away, there's no one protecting those people anymore. The state will be weaponized in a blatant and militant and violent fashion. And these people will be dispossessed. They will be killed. They will be exiled from the country.
Starting point is 02:06:43 They will scatter and this country will be gone. The curtain of darkness will descend on the land and it will be unresolved. unrecognizable and it will, I don't, it will never be the America that you love ever again. So if you, I don't know the models you're using and I don't know the data you're using. And I don't know if maybe you've calculated that the military has enough high level officers that they won't go with you, that there will, there is a very high likelihood of a military coup on behalf of the Democratic Party. And that's a real threat. I understand that. Given the loyalties of certain senior officials in the Pentagon, I understand that's a threat.
Starting point is 02:07:23 But you can beat them to the punch. And in all honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if they're organizing one right now. You know, it's like Operation Blue in 1941. You know, if you're not going to strike first, they will. You know, you bring up a good point. Elon Musk did not ask to come back when his term expired this week. and he has powerful friends and if they do not feel confident
Starting point is 02:07:58 that this administration can do more than bitch on Twitter they're going to find some other group to prop up with their money and it will be you and your midterms coming up and again I just I have to say
Starting point is 02:08:13 Elon Musk is not our friend I don't like the things he pays for but they're going to start carving into your corpse of a party if you don't man up. Bitching on Twitter that the judges stopped you is not sufficient. And powerful, wealthy elite, not in the Democrat Party, are just as eager to claw into the corpse of the GOP as the Democrats are, and you will be left penniless and powerless at these two ravens eating you alive.
Starting point is 02:08:45 And then what's going to happen to us? your loyal army of posters and signal boosters and you know I'm going to probably speak for a little bit longer here when I was at the Old Glory Club conference I'm not going to name any names but I'm going to tell you the kind of people that were there the kind of people at this Old Glory Club conference are the people who make this country run lawyers doctors junior officers in the military
Starting point is 02:09:17 on, off duty, of course, but, you know, cops, people who work in government, political staffers on the state level, on the federal level, you know, local government, people who are involved there, entrepreneurs, corporate executive, sales guys, independently wealthy, basically the middle of the society, right, the most dynamic aspect that the society, the people who keep this country running on a day-to-day basis, that is the kind of people who were there. It is the best that the country has to offer. It is the most civic-minded, the most community-minded. And two-thirds of them were affiliated with a chapter. And the one-third that wasn't is a great many of them are starting, are looking to get affiliated. What's going to happen to them. What's going to happen to them if this doesn't work,
Starting point is 02:10:25 if the left gets back in? You know, what's going to happen to, what's going to happen to them? They're going to be like the Kulox in Ukraine, you know, or the Rhodesians, or the Boers in South Africa. But where is there, where is there for them to go? where am I going to go?
Starting point is 02:10:53 Am I going to go to Argentina? Am I going to go to Ireland? Am I going to go to Canada? Am I going to go to Australia or New Zealand? Where is there for me to go? Am I going to die here in a country that isn't mine anymore that's been taken from me? Is that what's going to have to happen? Am I going to have to bury my son here?
Starting point is 02:11:21 What you have to understand, this is still directed to anyone in the administration who is even tangentially connected who may be listening, you are our leaders. You are our chief and we stand ready to hear your call. We will do what needs to be done. You found that out. Let's just say on a winners, on a winter's morning a few years ago. You found that out. If you're waiting for advanced term, you can't. You can't wait for advanced term. You can't. You need to act now. We do not have time to wait for advance term. I oscillate between we have 10 years and we have 10 months.
Starting point is 02:12:17 The clock is ticking. The clock is ticking. I understand it's only been five months, but the clock is ticking. If you can't make these decisions and make good on them and you're just going to keep complaining on Twitter and you're not going to just confront a Rubicon moment when it comes before you, then this country is gone.
Starting point is 02:12:38 So I'm going to cease speaking now. I sign off on everything he just said. Yep, it's the cruel reality of the cards you've been played in the hour in which you decided to start playing. It's not 2004 anymore. It's 2025. and this country is falling apart and it is not going to stop falling apart
Starting point is 02:13:04 if all you can do is complain about it. I do not want to die here at the age of, you know, let's say my late 20s. I don't want to have to bury my son here or my family here. I don't want to have to do that. You know, if this were a normal world, I wouldn't even be here.
Starting point is 02:13:28 If this were a normal world, I'd be looking at captain right now and I'd be happily serving you know in Korea or somewhere right if this were a normal world that's what I would be doing
Starting point is 02:13:42 you know you would have you know the I would be you know I wouldn't even question things you know I it's not that I wouldn't question things but here I am and here the rest of us are all of you all 450 of you who are still watching
Starting point is 02:13:58 and you know the other two gentlemen who are with me this evening. We're all here because things aren't normal. And you're the only one right now, President Trump. You are the only one right now who can fix things. And if you can't do it, we're not going to get a second chance. So don't wait to put Vance in. Don't wait to put whomever in. The country is going to die if you don't do something. So please do something. All right. Anything else before we go to Super Chats?
Starting point is 02:14:44 No. I don't think there's anything else to say. The Super Chats will make the mood a bit more upbeat before we end. All right. So starting back up again where we left off, Hunter counts for 10 U.S. dollars. Thank you, sir. He says, to Paul's point about a political void post-Democrats, I believe it is incumbent on us to see that as opportunity.
Starting point is 02:15:10 one that organizations like the OGC and their progeny should be preparing to take advantage of. Well, the OGC is an explicitly apolitical organization. However, we very much endorse and support the civic engagement of all of our members and chapters as individual citizens. So, son of Haster for $5. He says, powerful panel tonight. Thank you, sir. He says, my friends have started recognizing my username from Superchats, even outside my chapter. Jay, you should just join already.
Starting point is 02:15:40 Well, Jay, if you are listening and you know Mr. Son of Haster, you should join. And if you don't, you're a chicken. So what are you going to do with that? Anyway, Mr. Mellon for five U.S. dollars. Thank you, sir. He says, in other news, got a new fruit tree in the ground yesterday. Thank you, sir. The Shire building will, or thank.
Starting point is 02:16:02 Congratulations, sir. Apologies. I picked the wrong default response. The Shire building will continue in between trips to make friends in the city. both. Absolutely. As a matter of fact, that was one of the speeches. I think Mr. Capitalissimo had the event where he said that the cities are not lost to us and efforts should be made to start reclaiming them. And that certainly did create a buzz. All right. Seasider for 10 U.S. dollars, he sends a salute. Thank you, sir. Jay Forte for $10. He says, Paul,
Starting point is 02:16:34 last time I was on Skyline Drive hiking with my wife, we ran into Indians everywhere, playing music on speaker phones in the woods. Yeah, it's, they ruin just about everywhere they go. it's about that loud around them too Don Browning for sends a 20 U.S. dollars with a super sticker of a samurai cat waving a flag with number one written on it. I like to think Don Browning puts a great deal of
Starting point is 02:17:03 a great deal of thought into the stickers that she sends us. So thank you very much. You unfortunately cannot join the Old Glory Club, but we're grateful for your support. Thomas Wayne Riley, president of the newly constituted New Mexico chapter, if I remember correctly, sends this in for $15 U.S. dollars. Thank you, sir.
Starting point is 02:17:22 He says, entrance to national parks for non-Americans should be Disney World Prices, astronomical, free for Heritage Americans. So true. I did a whole episode on fixing the national parks on my show and got a hilarious review. Quote, TWR is the reason that I would rather meet a bear than a man in that back country camping. So true. So true. well thank you sir
Starting point is 02:17:48 next up hamorraine for nine dollars a ninety nine cents he says quote how to count illegals they say census wrong what means unquote yeah I agree I mean I think actually I've I've heard some things I don't know if you gentlemen have heard
Starting point is 02:18:04 but that the the census is purposefully collected in such a way as to mislead the actual reality of who's here and that the situation is actually much worse than we thought. And actually, that reminds me, this is a, this is a, I know we're going over here, but I wanted to put this in real quick. I was looking at a data point for an unrelated personal study I was doing about the ratio of men and women at a marriageable age, like specifically,
Starting point is 02:18:35 like early, late teens, early 20s, mid-20s, which is marriageable age. And normally at that age, the ratio of the United States, or not the, of almost every, you know, of almost every society skews in favor of women because I think more men are born than women slightly but more women survive to adulthood and to marriage age than men do, even
Starting point is 02:18:58 at an early age. And I looked at the ratio of, you could say military age for men and it was skewed in favor of men. And I just about fell out of my chair because that's like almost an iron
Starting point is 02:19:16 clad demographic rule is there's always more women than men at that age in any in any given society and so many people had come into the country that's immediately what was connected so many people have come into the country that the ratio of men to women at marriage age is skewed in favor of men that's interesting that that should scare the crap out of you you know i i will say i've seen evidence that why a lot of people are leaving willingly without being caught.
Starting point is 02:19:53 I hope so. Most housing projects where I live have paused. No one's available to work on them. Most well not most like people wealthy people I know
Starting point is 02:20:08 I've heard them well not I don't know them. Wealthy people I pass by in the wealthy parts of Manhattan, I sometimes hear complaining that their mechanic got deported or their gardener got deported or their chef got deported. These are rich people with chefs
Starting point is 02:20:24 in their house. The chef got deported and oh if only could find a white person to work as hard as that because they're that kind of thinkers. I hear that in the grapevine in bars and little things in Manhattan where the rich people
Starting point is 02:20:40 gather. I see evidence that it is picking up. Whether or not these numbers are, like, in trust the plan, utopia, delusion, maybe they're not even reporting how many they're deporting. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:20:57 But there is tangential evidence that the numbers all are going up in where I live, especially in the past two months. I'm hopeful that trend continues. I hope so, too. I know, Pete, you always say that there's an army here,
Starting point is 02:21:12 and I think there's not just one. all right um yeah there's an army waiting waiting to be led yeah dynastic designs for five dollars he says a cascade frontier of Oregon representing thank you sir thank you for joining us we're getting organized and doing cool things cascade frontier at protonmail dot com yes if you're up in the pacific northwest area particularly Oregon reach out to that email and we're more than happy to get you involved with that chapter up there that's the cascade frontier our western chapter. Next up,
Starting point is 02:21:49 Belero 393 for $2. Thank you, sir. He says, Derek Chauvin equals perfect N.A. sponsor. I know that's a joke. I don't know what, I don't know what N.A. is. Narcotics Anonymous. Narcone.
Starting point is 02:22:05 Well, I guess that tells you something. Thank you, sir. Jonathan Hemingway for $10. He says, The Summer of Floyd was my radicalization moment. On another note, Men of Georgia join the James Oglethorpe Society.
Starting point is 02:22:18 James Oglethorpe is represented this evening. Thank you, Mr. Hemingway, and thank you for the super chat. Next up, Machiavelli sucks being white is great for $4.99. He says, the white man needs not to take any more bed sheet, I suppose. Thank you, sir. I'm very, you know, very grateful. And I completely agree. The white man, the white man cannot take any more, any more of this.
Starting point is 02:22:40 And he needs to do something. But we will see. Next up for $20, Mr. LeVendis. He says, man, Mr. Ferenheit is on fire tonight. Great stream. Good speed fellas. Or Godspeed fellas, excuse me. Thank you, sir.
Starting point is 02:22:56 I'm very grateful. You know, I'm good at talking. Another one for $15 from Thomas Wayne Riley. He said, we must win. My one month old can't afford the alternative. Great episode. I completely agree, sir. We have to.
Starting point is 02:23:09 We have no other choice. Thank you, sir. And then last but not least. Finally, we have forever bull. for $10. He says, excellent monologue, Mr. Paul,
Starting point is 02:23:19 take my money. It was my pleasure meeting you and the many others at the conference. Join the OGC or die. Well, thank you, sir. I don't recognize
Starting point is 02:23:26 your screen name, but I'm sure I will remember you if we met again. And thank you for your donation. I'm very grateful. All right, that sums it up. So I think we've all said
Starting point is 02:23:40 everything we need to say. Pete, you have anything to show? Pete Substack.com. The Piquino show. on Pete Substack.com. That's it. Excellent. Crenge, you got anything to show? I wrote something for substack. Dave seemed to like it. He said it was decent.
Starting point is 02:23:58 I don't know if you said that. He retweeated it in substack. So my substack is, I'm getting more active there as I depart from the Twitter Slopsphere. I'm writing two more articles. Hopefully be done within a week or two on some of the things I mentioned here. that's about it. All right, excellent. All right, thank you very much. Don't I have nothing to show.
Starting point is 02:24:22 I don't do anything anymore except support the Old Glory Club. Join the Old Glory Club. Get involved with the Old Glory Club at gmail.com. Please contact us if you want to get involved with a chapter. You don't know if there's one near you. You could also just go to the Old Glory Club.com and you can go to the chapter page. Or if you Google Old Glory Club will be the first thing that comes up.
Starting point is 02:24:41 You can go to the chapters page. We have, I think, 27 chapters now in almost as many states. I think actually the number is up because we approved a few more recently. Most recent chapters that were approved, I think, were the Maryland and New Mexico chapters. So if you're in Maryland or New Mexico, try to get involved with them. Otherwise, I don't know if they're on the website yet, but we'll update it. Otherwise, get involved. Get involved the Old Glory Club.
Starting point is 02:25:06 Support this country. Get involved with your community. And civically engage. That's all I got to say. So thank you all very much for joining us. evening. Thank you to Mr. Dave, the distributist for joining us. Thank you, Mr. Pete, and Mr. L. Thamplar for joining us as always, and I hope you all have a very good evening. God bless you.

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