The Pete Quiñones Show - 05/30 Old Glory Club Livestream w/ Pete, Redhawk, Ryan Turnipseed, and Guests Jeff Deist, TR Hudson and TJ Martinell

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

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Making his return once again after a long absence, Mr. Ryan Turnip Seed, how are you, sir? I'm doing pretty well. It's been an eventful week. Yeah, to say the least, of course. Next, we have a series of three special guests tonight. First is Mr. Jeff Dice, who's going to be speaking at the Old Glory Club Conference. Thank you for coming on, Jeff. You bet. Good to be here. Awesome. Next we have Mr. T. R. Hudson from Double D.E. Magazine, Mr. Hudson, how are you, sir? I'm good. I've been informed that nothing ever happens, and it seems that that is not the case. Yeah, absolutely. Now, Mr. Hudson will not be in attendance at the OGC conference.

However, Double Dealer Magazine is making an appearance. There's going to be a limited edition of their magazine at the event that will only be able to be purchased at the event. So, definitely be looking forward to that for those of you guys who have your tickets. And is one of, Next is one of our guest contributors on our substack frequently and a friend of mine, Mr. T.J. Martinell. How are you, sir? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, we're happy to have you. And those guys in the chat, you can look forward to another one of T.J. Martinel's pieces on our substack coming out tomorrow on Friday. So you guys can give that a read. And then, of course, I am president of the OJC, Mr. Red Hawk. And without further

ado, let us jump in to this week's stories. You know, it's kind of funny. Originally, we had drafted up all the stories of this week about what we were going to talk about. And then, you know, the news struck a couple hours before the stream. So, of course, we have to talk about this. But former President Donald Trump is now a convicted felon. Dun, done, done. You know, he was found guilty in the hush money trial in New York. Let's see what Mr. Trump's reaction was immediately upon hearing the news.

This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. It's a rigged trial, a disgrace. They wouldn't give us a venue change. We were at 5% or 6% in this district in this area. This was a rigged disgraceful trial. The real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people. And they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here.

You have a sore respect, DA, and the whole thing, And the whole thing, we didn't do a thing wrong. I'm a very innocent man. And it's okay. I'm fighting for our country. I'm fighting for our Constitution. Our whole country is being rigged right now. This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.

And I think it's just a disgrace. And we'll keep fighting. We'll fight till the end and we'll win because our country's gone to hell. We don't have the same country anymore. We have a divided mess. We're a nation in decline, serious decline, millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists. And they're taking over our country. We have a country that's in big trouble.

But this was a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case. Never. And we will fight for our country. Constitution. This is long from over. Thank you very much. Well, there you have it coming right from the president's mouth. I mean, just to start on this, I mean, did really, did anybody expect it to be any different? I mean, again, like Trump was just saying, I mean, he got like five, six percent of the vote in this county in New York. Was anyone shocked that this was ever going to be the outcome? No, but I got to say, I've been following this guy for a long time. I've never seen him talk like that. How so, T.J. he was like he usually when he does stuff like this he kind of does a showmanship thing but this is where he's looking dead center right at whoever he's talking to and he's saying stuff that's like he's just talking very directly and of course the train has to come by right now um i just it seems like it's finally dawning on him that this the consequences and implications of this election are for him personally are it's a do or die

type thing and this is what's so interesting about this election and what they're doing right here is they're kind of putting him into a corner Kind of like and you know with everything going on. I just I was I this is the first time I've I've watched this video Because I've been doing other stuff today, but I've never seen him so where he's not kind of being a little buffoonish with stuff He's being dead serious so I it's very interesting This is somebody changing the rules right in the middle of the game, right? I mean, I don't know, Pete. He looks old here. He looks tired. You know, all the Trumpisms that were so funny back in 16, 17 when we were still sort of in disbelief that this guy could be president. You know, everything just seems tired now. And, you know,

I had the good force to actually know Joe Sobran for a few years before he died. And he used to say, He always told himself, this time they've gone too far. And to me, this is just another domino. Irma says, well, they could never do this to Trump. They could never do this. They could never raid Maralago with guns drawn in the wee hours of the morning. They could never indict him. They can never prosecute him.

Well, now they've done both. Well, they could never put him in jail. Really? I mean, I just saw Alan Dershow was talking about the appellate system in New York State. So Trump has to go through that before he can get to the defense. Federal Supreme Court. He has to exhaust that. The appellate system in New York State, the appellate judges make this trial judge look like Pap Buchanan. I mean, this is really bad. I felt the same way when Tucker Carlson got fired by Fox. Everyone said, well, you know, this is going to be great

for him because now he's going to have his own show and he'll have more viewers every day. No, I think Tucker's position and prominence has been significantly reduced. by leaving Fox now maybe it's a different audience but nonetheless i think i think this is really bad news for trump and and i think that there's a real chance um that he's in the slammer i think it's also a good uh analogy for where we are as a country that before we start speaking the courthouse has the smoke detector chirp go off that was that was awesome that was me well what's interesting is But I did have breakfast, Pete. I did have breakfast. Exactly. I think it was interesting as I I'm always trying to stay attuned to like different theories and

their conspiracy theories or they're just theories. But one of the theory was that they, the powers that be would allow Trump to be president on condition that he calls for a draft after he's elected to go fight the Russians in Ukraine. And who knows that's true or not. But the interesting thing part of this is they put him in, Biden gets reelected, great, but what are they going to do about their other projects? I mean, this is just one guy that they're dealing with. They got to deal with Taiwan. They got to deal with what's going on. The whole Ukrainian front is going to fall apart. There's all these failed projects that are going on that we're going to talk about later. I just think that one of the ways that they keep it going is by having a guy who can still maintain

this pretense that, you know, regular Americans are still in charge. So this is what's interesting from my perspective. Trump is the only guy who could get up and either get guys to go register for the military or comply with a draft. This is my opinion. I don't see, if Biden did that, I would see a legitimate like domestic violence where people are just out burning draft offices, is attacking anybody associated with the draft. And that's based on conversations I've had with mothers who have sons of military age, where they're normally docile people. But somebody raised the draft question a couple months ago or last year, and they were like,

over my dead body. So that's an interesting thing that's going on where you catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive by design. They move you. Even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range. For Mentor, Leon and Terramar. Now with flexible PCP finance and trade-in boosters of up to 2,000 euro.

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Best in Test, UMla, 2nd. For certification and full terms, see votaphone.i. forward slash terms. I'm trying to understand their endgame on that with the president. Like, what do they do after that? Because it's like with Julius Caesar, they thought that getting rid of one guy was going to solve their problem. It's not going to get rid of the problem. So I think that this might be worth stating.

I think this whole event surrounding Trump's sentencing and whatever else pretty clearly illustrates that there isn't some monolithic entity called the elite. that are just orchestrating every action, because this is certainly not their best move in this instance, especially just because every regime has to maintain their legitimacy first above all. If they don't have legitimacy, then they aren't a regime. So this does nothing but hurt that. And I think this shows that there are just radicals, certainly outside of the highest peaks of power, that can wield around whatever bureaucratic might they have, even if it's not in the interest of the elites above them.

I think this very well illustrates and might put to bed the idea that everything that we see in the news and whatever else is just orchestrated to as if there's a plan behind it all. I think this is very much not their best move in that regard. And I think they probably even know that. Well, I mean, in response to this immediately, Donald Trump's donor page on his website crashed because too many people were using it at once. And I highly doubt this has any effect on his poll numbers at this point.

I mean, all the Trump fans know at this point, it's a complete political sham. This was the first time ever that someone was tried with this specific case and this specific way. We all know this is political persecution. And I don't see anyone in Trump's base, you know, what are they going to do, not vote for him now? No, it's just going to emboldened all the people. That's the thing is they've only increased the stakes of like where, and I'm seeing this with people I know where they say, I wasn't going to vote for him, but now they're voting for him because they see it's no longer about him. It's about they know that this court case was a sham. And people are kind of into, they're smart enough to realize once you set a precedent, it can apply to anybody.

And so that's why I'm finding this really fascinating. It's not just the trial, but what they're going after him about is so trivial. And so they're just raising the stakes of the election to make anybody who was kind of indifferent or even hated him or didn't like him. Now they want to go vote for him just to send a message. It's like, guys, I've told people who don't like him, the best thing they could have done after the 2020 election is just ignore him. Don't ever talk about him. Don't just let it go. But they can't.

There's something about this guy that they just cannot shut up about. And that's what gives him his power. He has me magic. It's almost, they really can't help but step on rakes around him. It's honestly shocking to see how incompetent they are on him specifically. One of the things you see, if they go after him for something like this to get to, throw him in jail. This is like the Al Capone kind of thing, where you're just, what this has a tendency to do, it has a tendency to create real folk heroes. And,

you know, you could see, you know, something I tweeted out immediately after this was, um, if you, if you are, if you adhere to elite theory, you should be excited and paying attention right now. Because the Bill Ackman's of the world, are 100% behind Trump. All the hardcore Jewish Zionists, I saw one who, one of the Silicon Valley guys said he just sent him $300,000 today. It's going to be interesting to see which elites come to his aid. And I have a tendency to believe, and I know I've been saying this for a while,

it's going to be Silicon Valley guys. I think it's going to be a lot of Silicon Valley guys. I mean, you saw Trump apparently met, what Musk the other day. This whole PayPal Mafia thing is real. And if you look and see who's supporting him on Twitter, it's those guys. These are really interesting times if you buy into elite theory.

It's really rare also to see somebody get a second chance to cross the Rubicon. 2020, he definitely, you know, he balked. He didn't have the stomach to do what might have been necessary. I'll try and keep my language vague. But here he really is backed into a corner, and it'll be interesting to see what he does from here because it's not just some vague notion of, oh, the country's in trouble.

He has personal stakes now in the future and in what will happen. This is what I'm interested in is how his person has changed because there was a bunch of people that were saying after the mugshot and whatever else. There was going to be some sort of hard, hard slide to the right from Trump. He was going to be far more, say, authoritarian with his enemies and whatever else, things that you'd expect from a leader who was fighting really just a low-level war or perhaps a high-level bureaucratic fight with his enemies that could end in everything that he likes being. seized or locked up or something. I didn't really feel it then, but certainly the tone of voice that he had

with this recording coming right out of the trial. He seems a little bit more somber and perhaps focused than he was the last couple of times. What I find... Think about this. Think about this, okay? If he goes to jail or whatever,

if he's, you know, if the appeals process is going on and he's at, if he wins, you think people are losing their minds today? I mean, one side is going to go into a complete panic and want to burn everything down, and the other side is going to be like, we're behind this guy no matter what he does.

I mean, it's an interesting scenario to think, and if he gets elected while he's in jail, well, I mean, we're just El Salvador, you know, old, you know, 80s El Salvador at that point. it. Well, the other interesting thing is now compared to 2020, even 2016, is Barron. He was a boy. Now he's becoming a man. And what's so fascinating about him, this is just kind of a weird historical thing. But like, unlike all of his other children, his sons, Barron looks just like him at a certain age. because I was going back through videos of Trump

back when he was younger in the 80s and 70s. This is his spitting image. And so he also grew up in the White House and saw a lot of stuff. His time in the White House shaped his life and his perception of just stuff. So that, I think, is something to watch. I don't really know how it's going to play out specifically,

but I find it fascinating that he has kind of like this, a son that can kind of I don't know it's just it's there's something weird about that where he has this 18 19 year old son who looks just like him

and so if anything happens to Trump Donald and also isn't it interesting guys he picked the name Baron for me magic is real yeah I'm just but think about it like that was

that was 18 years ago he said I want to name the son Baron Like that's a very noble royal name. He's definitely a noble physiognomy for sure. Yes. And he looks just like his dad at that age. He's going to become his dad in that sense. The question is,

and he's even saying how he listens to Barron's advice. And the kid's 18 years old. Like, I'm just saying like that's something to watch because, you know, it just has so much of that like Julius Caesar, Octavian Vice. going on. I was thinking more Philip and Alexander. You catch them in the corner of your eye.

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I believe, great-grandfather, who started the Hilton chain. He named his son Barron. And, of course, he was a big influence on Trump. But I would also argue that Barron and Melania, and even to a lesser except, the older kids, they're also a liability in the sense that the Trump family is used to money in a certain elite lifestyle. I don't think Trump has very much money at this point, far less than advertised. flying the plane around, the Trump Force Wander, what they call it, hellishly expensive.

So even his sort of day-to-day movement requires, you know, endless contributions. But if you'll notice, when he got that just ludicrous civil judgment against him in the state of New York is 400-something million, the statute required him to post a 10% bond, 40 million, to even appeal, right? You can't even process an appeal until you post a bond. So he went through a bail bondsman, which suggests that he didn't want to tie up 40 million liquid in a bond, but only four. Because a bail bondsman usually, I believe, charge you 10 points. So it suggests he only wanted to tie up four million of liquid cash, not 40, which suggests that 40 million, for him, liquid, at least, is heavy lifting. So what they can do is they can destroy the guy financially, you know, take away his Trump

towers in New York to satisfy the judgment, take away Mar-a-Lago. And then all of a sudden, you know, Melania and Barron are exposed because they don't just have this huge financial cushion. And then Barron has to go out in a world in a way that, you know, we know like Obama's daughters are never, ever, ever going to be up against the slightest hardship in their life. So the Barron thing is an interesting question for sure. And when you point out that he is kind of better looking than the Trump boys, I mean, it's like, you know, especially when they're younger, all three of Trump's wives have been absolute smoke shows. And so, you know, I guess he just got, he certainly got the tall gene, if nothing else.

Yeah. I just think it's going to be interesting if anything happens to Donald Trump where suddenly, you know, you have a guy where he's taking advantage. advised from his 18 year old son so clearly he trusts his judgment and this is something I noted about Julius Caesar is he is the only one of the few great leaders in history who pass a torch on to someone who is just as capable of him but also planned in advance I'm not saying that's the same of Donald Trump but I just think that that was like every other great leader like Alexander the great Oliver Cromwell all these other famous leaders they kind of left they We're like a banion tree.

They just left nothing in their wake because they didn't plan anybody after him. I don't know if that's going to be the fascinating thing. Is he kind of like planning this, you know, kind of preparing him for something beyond this? That's where it's going to be interesting to watch because if anything happens to Donald Trump, somebody's going to have to take up the movement. I would certainly say this, that if I was Baron Trump growing up in the White House and no doubt. out being constantly harassed by other kids at my school, you know, the media 24-7, seeing the political persecution that is going on fellow family members. I mean, I would want to exact revenge on all these people. It's definitely where my head would be at. But I think the last thing I'll

say on this topic, and then we'll move on to the next story is the sentencing for Trump has been announced and it is July 11th, which is just a couple of days before the Republican National Convention where they actually decide who's going to be the Republican nominee for president. Now, of course, throughout all the primaries, you know, Trump one-handedly, we know this. It'll be very interesting to see no doubt that intentional placement of the, you know, sentencing right before that is trying to give an out to the RNC to say, oh, well, now the Trump's in jail, potentially. We'll see what actually happens at that point. this is like our aisle branch to you to quote unquote do the right thing in the eyes of the regime and pick somebody else which opens up a whole other set of questions and not for nothing tj i see what you're saying but at the same time trump did trust jared kushner

uh so maybe so maybe his trust in barren isn't isn't the um isn't the glowing endorsement we think it is yeah i that's that's Fair. That's where I'm just like, I don't have a firm opinion on this stuff. I just think it's worth just observing and kind of seeing how this plays out. Because honestly, I have no idea how this is going to play out. I really don't have an opinion about what's going to happen moving forward. So I do find it interesting just for one thing. I want to know, can a boomer cross the Rubicon? And it sounds funny and all of that, but I do genuinely wonder that because the entire boomer, lifestyle from the moment that they were born up until now has been one without, certainly in America has been one without political strife in the sense that's coming quite clearly in the next few decades. I do wonder if it's even possible for them to think like this.

Well, time will tell, and no doubt we'll be watching this closely when the sentencing goes through. I will say this. I was talking about this in a chat. If, Trump actually, they actually are stupid enough to lock Donald Trump up in prison. I would not be surprised at all. And people should keep their eyes open for this for, you know, a Patcon style of, you know, in the same vein of, do you guys remember where they faked that, you know, kidnapping of the Michigan governor during COVID and we found out it was a bunch of feds that were doing it.

I would not be surprised if you had a similar operation of, oh, this group of, you know, insurrectionists, we're going to go and break Donald Trump out of prison. and this is exactly what J6 violence leads to. So I can already see the headlines now, something that people should be watching out for if they decide to actually lock President Trump up in jail. So we'll keep our eyes on that when that happens. But let's move on to our next story here.

So in the same time of Donald Trump being in the news with the verdict of his trial, we also had the LP, the Libertarian Party National Convention. And if anyone had paid attention to libertarian politics in 2022, the Mises Caucus, led by Michael Heiss and many others, took over the party and it was going to be a a base takeover and the first group that ever de-wokified institution. And here we have Donald Trump who was invited. I will say this. Does anyone else find it funny? I saw a bunch of memes of this. You know, the torch for the Libertarian Party. You can see it in the background. It kind of looks

like Donald Trump's hair. I saw people like were posting the Libertarian torch and photoshopping in on Donald Trump's head. So that's funny. But let's hear what Trump had to say when he was actually actually at the conference. The Libertarian Party should nominate Trump for president of the United States. Whoa. That's nice. That's nice. Only if you want to win.

Only if you want to win. Maybe you don't want to win. Maybe you don't want to win. Thank you, DeRoy. Thank you. No, only do that if you want to win. If you want to lose, don't do that. Keep getting you 3% every four years.

The reasons for doing so, policy and politics are as solid as the Hope Diamond. I definitely found it funny that Trump gets invited to the LP National Convention and just shits on libertarians. It calls them losers, which is pretty hilarious at the start. But what does everybody else have to say about Trump making an appearance? at the, is he the first president, like, or former president to ever speak at a libertarian convention? It has to be, Jeff, right? What's your take on it, Jeff? It has to be, yeah.

And this is a guy who's not afraid of a gaff or something. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney were to go address the LP, he would have his handlers, like, come up with all this ridiculous bullshit for him to say. You know, Trump just goes out there and kind of wings it. I think it was, that sounded a little bit like the old Trump. mentioned earlier he seemed a little tired old fat he's a little fatter than last time around but no that's that's looked and felt like the old trump for sure you know he should have done he should have just started playing laughs of murray rothbard just every time they're kind of give him

crap he just you know played clips of that or something i don't know it's just it's it's it's kind of it's sad to see a organization that was founded by people where it's strayed so far from what they wanted and envisioned um on that kind of stuff you know the party ideally the party should have been something that was so formidable where uh you know a mainstream let's say republican the the the libertarian party wasn't going to win but they would at least have the republicans would at least have to listen to them because they could draw enough votes away and influence their platform and their politics because you're not going to get their votes. Instead, they're doing this nonsense.

And then I think the biggest thing offended me was back in 2016 when Gary Johnson described to Hillary Clinton as a fine public servant. He was on being interviewed. I'm like, you could have talked about Murray Rothbard, Ludovie von Mezes, all these guys who contributed to the movement. Instead, you're complimenting one of the most evil people on the planet. It's not changed in eight years, apparently. This is the party that booed out Rothbard and Rockwell, right?

Wasn't that the thing? They were both booed out together. Yeah. What amazes me is that he offered the LP two cabinet positions, like actual power, an essay in how the future government would run. And like Cato, they decided to just fall on their sword instead. A lot of people are okay. Very libertarian of them.

There are people who are okay with losing. They just want to lose in a graceful way. The Washington Globetrotters. You know? Well, the Washington generals. I wasn't at the Mesa. Wasn't with the Mises caucus at their foundation, but I was with the Mesa's caucus when the decision was made

that the grand plan was, going to be to run Dave Smith for president. Those meetings were held as early. Those were Skype calls as early as January and February of 20 to 21, and that was the goal. Now, what I will say is the Mises Caucus still has the chair seat. They have 80% of the at-large. What they don't have is the presidency. And that's why I consider it to be a loss, is because they took over the party in on Memorial Day 2022 basically getting a bunch of people

to spend thousands of dollars to travel to Reno so that basically with the plan that Dave Smith would run for president and restart the Ron Paul Revolution. So they got everybody there. They basically swept everything.

And then Dave didn't run. Dave pulled out for his own reasons. I don't blame him. I was out of the, I was out of the thing by then. I was out in 2020, the middle of 2021.

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It's a Black Friday secret. Keep it to yourself. all the air came out of it. So when you get to the convention this year and you have your president, and this is supposed to be your messenger, the person is supposed to go out there and deliver the message, I think anybody who is honest with themselves knows that Dave Smith is probably the best messenger for libertarianism right now. Well, he's not your presidential candidate, and Michael Rectinwald is.

I know Michael Rectinwald personally. like Michael Reckinwald, Dave Smith is a, he's better on his feet, and he's been studying it longer. And he's, you know, gets on all of these programs. All he has to do is make a call. When he decided not to run, a bunch of people became disgruntled. And then you get to the convention this year and from everything that I've heard. And I know how the whole process works. I had to be reminded because I couldn't remember.

they went into a voting thing and then you just have it's like a it's almost like a like caucus kind of thing and you have people throw in there votes in with this person and that person this person you have to get 50% in order to make it through and it gets to the next to the last round

and none of the above gets like 6% Chase Oliver the gay race communist gets um he gets 49% and Michael Rectinwell gets less than 49% he has to drop out

Chase Rachel's, the gay race communist gets to run unopposed in the seventh round. So now the Mises caucus who basically ran on being the party of Rothbar, being the party of Mises, being the party of Hapa, has a gay race communist as their presidential

candidate. That's what happened. The happiest man in America right now has brain worms. This could not have worked out better for Bobby, honestly and I know I mean I'm not going to vote for him but plenty of people who are seeing this happen to the LP to the Republicans if they decide to replace Trump are going to jump on his bandwagon and if his if his internal polling is correct he's going to wipe the floor with Biden well I mean that this isn't quite the topic since we're talking about the the libertarian party returning to its foundational roots here but what are the odds that the regime can just rig the election again? At what point are they doing it so much that it becomes too obvious

and they lose legitimacy that they do need? That's a question that I haven't been able to answer because I don't know enough about it. Well, I think the LP is a... It's not really a tragedy. I can only speak to a limited... experience with the party. This is in the 90s in California. So I've had no involvement with the National Party. And more importantly, I just think that the term libertarian is time to jettison

that long time, long time gone. Just like liberal and conservative, these are meaningless words, right? Our presumption that liberty means the absence of state coercion, sort of the plum line, Rothbardian definition, is not at all widely accepted at all. I mean, I would say that the libertarians I knew in the 90s were kind of mathy, computer sciencey, anti-tax guys who had sort of a wink in a knot, like, oh, yeah, these lifestyle types, yeah, we got a legalized pot because of the, you know, the prohibition costs are greater than, you know, the harm, that sort of thing. But they weren't animated by basically progressive ends the way I would say libertarians are today. And so I'm not interested in progressive ends, regardless of the means. That's not for me. I don't want that kind of shitty America.

And so obviously, the Libertarian Party has become a vehicle for the left. I don't know what else to say about that. It's just a positive rights worldview. And again, notice how the focus is not economics. It's not property. we can all agree that, you know, apart from libertarianism, we can all agree that the state is basically an organized band of criminals that's intending to do us harm. Sure, we all get that, at least at the federal level. But beyond that, I mean, notice the focus on lifestyle, a self-actualization, you know, the idea that you're not fully free until you can be yourself, love who you are.

You know, it's all this kind of like wine ant, live out loud, really awful. I mean, really, really, really terrible. And of course, I mean, everyone knows that the only way to maintain any kind of small government society is, you know, to shrink the state, you have to radically expand all the other things that keep people doing the right thing. Strictures, right? You have to have opprobrio. You have to have a strong, shared sense of morality. You have to have shame. You have to have disenfranchisement, you know, all the things that libertarians hate.

You know, you have a dad who judges you. You have a landlord who expects his rent. You have a grocer who's not free. He's not a food bank. I mean, you know, the self-actualization, Uber Alas is, it's just, what it does is it proves out the stereotype of childishness and shallowness. amongst libertarians and that you know that is a tragedy but nonetheless tragedy or not we have to jettison the word for good and all it's it's it's done you know we're not libertarians libertarianism is a mess whatever it is today yeah i spent a lot of time uh frequenting like the freedom fests and such

um you know like scott horton and dave smith and mage and you know uh spike cohen all those guys you know, met them many, many times at drinks with them, party with them and all that stuff at many of these previous events. And they always struck me as really, really strange gatherings where you just had an absolute hodgepodge of everybody in their grandmother with their pet ideas. We're all going to somehow, you know, like, blender this thing all together and we're all going to point ourselves in one direction. And I'll never forget this.

It was such a weird panel back in, it's like maybe 2020 or 2021 or something at one of these Freedom Fest events. and it was Dave Smith on a panel with like Dave Rubin and then one of these like only fans sex workers people and they were basically trying to talk about how important comedy is and no like for some reason the sex worker was up there saying like oh we need to you know decriminalize sex work that's really important for personal freedom and personal liberty and you know comedy for some fucking reason I'm just sitting here like what is this what is the actual goal here what is the actual like unifying principle that everybody has here what is it just you know do as you please like well that's basically. Satanism right there. What is the difference there at that point? And yeah, the libertarian party is just completely discredited itself at this point. Do you think this is like the final nail in the coffin

for it? I mean, I can't imagine anybody who's like even on the remotely like right wing or even like Hoppa, Hans Herman Hoppa spectrum. Like what are they even going to do with this party anymore? I mean, they should just be grand as the lower party. You know, lower the taxes, lower the debt, lower the age of consent. Oh, geez.

What I've been telling, oh my God. What I've been telling them is I've been saying the most outside of political parties, if you want to accomplish anything, you're going to have to use one of the two main parties. If you don't want to use one of the two main parties, the best way to achieve political ends in this country is to have an org, is to have a pack, is to have something. like National Association for Gun Rights, where you concentrate on one narrow subject and you just go to work on, and, you know, National Association for Gun Rights, I think is responsible for getting like 20 states in the last 10 years to pass constitutional carry, just them. And you've never, and most people don't even know who they are. Most people have never heard of them. And they do

insanely good work. So, you know, if you, if you want to concentrate on like local politics, Start a pack where all you do is in your state and in your county, you're just looking for people to run for the school board, to run for the city council. Sheriff, the most important fucking office in your county is sheriff. Get a sheriff in there who shares your values. It can change everything. At least it can be some kind of bulwark until, you know,

You know, either Washington, D.C., someone goes in there and goes full Caesar or it starts falling apart. Either way, you're going to have to strengthen your local area because it's, they just put the, they just convicted the president of like basically having sex with a cooker. I mean, where do you think we're at now? I mean, and your guns, the guns don't mean shit. I mean, they mean something if, you know, Pookie wants to come and rob your house. It's a good thing to have there. But guns aren't, what are guns going to do? I mean, guns are okay if the sheriff,

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Liddle, more to value. I mean, people just do not, people have not thought this through. We've been so trained to concentrate on national politics. We forget the fact that, like, the sheriff is probably the most constitutional office in the whole country. And I know the birchers have been saying that for 70 years. And let somebody, 60 years, let somebody start listening to them and start applying that. I know, I know the sheriff in my town. I've lived here a year.

I actually know the sheriff. Why? Because I think it's important to know. Beyond just the practical side, I think now might be the time, especially for those still claiming a libertarian or an Austrian background to start, perhaps discussing the idea of going through one of the major parties and the state apparatus to get what you want instead of some outside party that might be more pure to your principles than the other ones. But nevertheless, has just kneecapped itself with this.

degenerate as a as a as their presidential candidate I think it I think a good conversation might need to be had there especially on the theoretical levels that a lot of these people tend to listen to most of all you know maybe maybe a reexamination of the ethics might be in order that's what Ron Paul did you know let's let's not forget that Ron Paul ran as a Republican I mean he got way further than any of these guys at the Libertarian Party could ever dream to it was interesting about that is Trump was able to say things that were during the 2016 election that were so much more harsh about the same topics as the same thing Ron Paul. He had to

kind of like walk on eggshells whereas Trump was like Iraq was a disaster, Bush was a disgrace, and everybody was kind of like it was almost where I don't know it was interesting. I just found it fascinating where he's just a bowl in a China closet about. it and Ron Paul sitting there just like I believe very sincerely in our foreign poll you know CIA and blowback and all that stuff and he kind of got laughed at but where Trump just is like yeah I think it was a terrible mistake everybody just starts clapping and this is South Carolina yeah there definitely have been a lot of memes making the rounds in the last couple years as Ron Paul's been

aging out you know the memes like Ron Paul walks so everybody else can run so the contributions of the man cannot be ignored yeah i think he paved he made it possible for for trump to get up and just completely trash all that stuff and i was for watching it live i'm like this is actually happening he is saying things that you know uh four years ago would have gotten any gop can that just laughed out of the room it was just it was crazy that's where it's like never underestimate this guy in in a sense I know he's older, but like, he gets away with murder on so many political topics. Jeff, do you think, Jeff, do you think Ron paved the way for Donald?

I think he deserves a lot of the credit for the non-interventionist fervor that's only on the right these days. You know, there's no, there's none of that on the left. You'd never go to a Biden rally and say, you know, let's get, let's, you know, stay out of the Ukraine. But let's, you know, the whole Biden side attacked him for clumsily leaving Afghanistan. So I do think Ron deserves a lot of credit for engendering non-interventionist or anti-war sentiment on the right, which is where it belongs. So let's give them some credit there for sure. Yeah, agreed. Before we switch to the next story, gents, does anyone want to make any predictions of what percentage you think the Libertarian Party is going to get at a,

this next election. It's going to be an all-time low for them show out. What do you think? Two and a half. Two and a half from Ryan. Oh, I think they get six to seven hundred thousand votes. And I think that's less than one percent. Hmm. I didn't think they stoop lower in terms of testosterone

after Joe Jorgensen. But, you know, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. I'm sorry, John. I forgot you were there. You may go now. Yeah. Yeah. So here's your face. I mean, you know, as we say many times, physiognomy never lies. So, all right, gentlemen. Well, we're going to move on to our next story. This is one that our, Ryan has been itching to talk about for some time here. So if people didn't see this going around on Twitter, this was making the rounds about a week or so ago. Apparently, two Christian missionaries

were sent over to Haiti. And unfortunately, they found themselves in, gang ridden third world chit hole and didn't make it home sadly and what makes matters worse is that one of the two of these missionaries was the daughter of ben backer who is a Missouri is he a congressman or is he a state representative he's one of the two and so this opens up the question as to why is it that these two kids were sent over to Haiti when there's plenty of christians here in america that could use help. There's plenty of other Christians throughout the entire Western world that could be using help. And also, why are we sending young kids into the middle of complete, you know, shithole third world war zones?

Right. So, and there's an even deeper question about this, but it's going to require some sort of context, because the narrative is sort of really developed past, why were they there? It's developed into that these two missionaries were martyrs for the faith. They were missionaries in a foreign land and they were killed by other humans while they were there, and therefore every good and respectable Christian must now accept them to be holy martyrs of the faith, which I don't really find to be believable, and it has nothing to do with any one of my beliefs at all, and same with everyone else. I think that everyone else should be at least somewhat skeptical of this claim. What we have here is two missionaries that went to the nation of,

of Haiti, a nation that was founded on the genocide of all of its European inhabitants, of European culture, and all these other things. It was a slave-revolta nation. I believe one of the only few Europeans that they left alive were Poles, who were awarded the status of honorary blacks. This is the nation that these two missionaries were sent to, and that ethos within Haiti has certainly not left in the couple hundred years since they have gained their independent by brutal slaughter.

And certainly for people my age that went to more evangelical schools in Protestant traditions, maybe even some Roman Catholics, I don't know. You'll know that there's this propaganda campaign that's supposed to be idolizing the foreign mission over everything else, and especially to these nations like Haiti. So if we're supposed to pretend that Haiti is just this poor downtrodden land that has no responsibility in the station that it currently can. finds itself in. This is sort of the narrative that's been fed to many young people.

And whenever these two white Americans, missionaries, very Western in their influence and culture and whatever else, find themselves in this country founded by militant black nationalism, or African nationalism, I should say, whenever they find themselves dead in this nation, a lot of people are painting this as a story and using it to browbeat anyone to the right, that these two missionaries were holy martyrs for the faith.

And I think that we're going to need a little bit more proof for that than just they were employed as missionaries and they were murdered while they were there. I think perhaps these two white Americans were murdered for some reason other than their Christianity. That's the thing that I've been wanting to say this whole time is that maybe the black nationalist Haitian gangs weren't really concerned about their spiritual doctrines. maybe they were concerned about a more visual element that they could see in them.

The population of Haiti is allegedly 84% Christian. When you look at Haiti, do you think of Haiti as a Christian nation? No, obviously not. Yeah. Okay. I mean, everything Ryan said is correct. It was not only founded on a slave revolt and on, you know, the slaughter of all the whites, but there was a satanic ritual that went along with it.

Yet it's 84% Christian. I've been in the mission field. I've been overseas. I was in the mission field in Eastern Europe. And it was pretty dangerous some of the places I went there. I can't imagine. I can't. You don't want to blame.

the parents, but I really have to wonder about parents who would send their white Western kids to a place like Haiti. I mean, the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic, who share an island, is the most secure border on the planet. Israel has nothing on that border. Dominicans hate Haitians with a passion and will shoot them if they cross that border. If they're a child, a woman, they do not care. There's something about that place that is accursed.

And the fact that it's so close to this country and the fact that there are so many people in this country who would welcome people from there with open arms means that we just don't have a country anymore. I mean, we're insane. We're insane. We're suicidal at this point. know, that's definitely the dangle I would like to bring to this discussion as well. I mean, aside from all the religious discussion about this,

it seems that white Western countries apparently just have this pathological need to try and develop all of the third world. I mean, since the 1860s, the United States has given over $20 trillion in foreign aid. And it has resulted in absolutely nothing for this country. I don't understand why when everyone sees, like, record, record high housing prices, record high card prices, record high insurance prices, record low families being formed, record low birth rates, record high immigration, both legal and illegal. And yet, we're supposed to be expected to send our best and brightest abroad to develop other nations when we clearly have severe problems at home. I don't understand why people are still doing this. We need to shake this of our people.

It's clearly sending us on the path to suicide. I think this is why the conservative right, whatever word you want to use to describe people who are not progressives, I think this is why that they are not morally able to stand up to the drag show queen hour with toddler kids and all the sexualization of children because it's putting the kids in harm's way, right? These are the same people who will say to their 19, 20-year-old daughter,

yes, go to this country where you might be gang-raped and murdered, and if you don't, then you don't love Jesus. I mean, that's kind of their mindset. They won't ever say that openly, but, like, that's kind of their... And when you die will memorialize you, and you did something for the faith. is like, what was accomplished when, you know, I saw a photo of the two young couple. I'm like, what was accomplished with this? And notice there's no righteous anger of like, these people murdered someone who came to

help them. Like, there's no sense of like justice. It's like it's almost this weird kind of fetish sadistic. They were supposed to die and we get pleasure from watching them die because it means that we're morally righteous. I mean, this is the part where I don't look at this. being a Christian thing. I see this like an ancient pagan cult using Christianity as a skin suit. That's how I see it. It's like, oh, you need to go out and be killed via human sacrifice.

Like this is a weird sort of form of it in order to appease the gods that I serve. And yes, and to titillate the boomers. Yes. I remember one pastor evangelical guy was talking about how like he, you know, this kid wants to go out and like, evangelize some part of the third role that he's going to die in the process he'd be happy and like who wants their son to die a brutal death in that's like who what like what mindsets nobody thinks like that except apparently are people like there there's no group there's no ethnic group that's like i hope my kid goes and dies even being a missionary to another ethnic group so there's

been a very interesting narrative development alongside this, because people start pointing out that this makes no sense that you're sending even your daughters to this nation that has wanted them dead for the past 200 years purely because of how they look to them. People have been pointing out that this makes no sense, and certainly no missionary in Christian history would, or no Christian population in Christian history would send their daughters over to these people in a vain attempt to convert them, no matter how much faith you have in. in the Holy Spirit or in miracles or whatever else. This defies human shrewdness.

So now finally, the conservative evangelicals have found whatever remnants of a backbone that they once had, and they're saying, oh, so you're too scared to go share Christianity with places that might be too dangerous for you. They're trying to paint people that have these concerns. Parents, most of them, the vast majority of them, parents that have their own children that are Christians and do care about these things. They're paying them as cowards now, as if this conservative evangelical establishment has the authority to call people such things as cowards. And this is a, I find this to be very interesting.

This is very clearly not in the efforts of proselytizing Haiti. Because if it was, they'd be finding a different way to do it. They would be sending different people, if any at all. Perhaps they would be advocating for different things if they wanted Haiti to be more genuinely. Christian. Rather, what this seems to be is it seems to be a ritual sacrifice on the altar of diversity, multiculturalism, or whatever else you want to call it, just because I think what it boils down to is most of these conservative evangelicals that spearhead these efforts fear the accusation of racism more than they fear, say, God, or fear their own children

dying for whatever vain causes they have. If you wanted to accuse anyone in the modern day of jousting at windmills. The boomer evangelicals that send their children to die in these places that will kill them, not for their faith, but for their race. That has to be one of the main accusations to be leveled. The thing that gets me to is that these are the same churches, and I'm painting with a pretty broad brush, but they shut down during COVID. They had remote church.

They certainly didn't stand up to government tyranny. or overstep, you know, and they're the same people that will, will shout about how there needs to be a separation of church and state. You know, if you want to, American cities could use some evangelizing these days, but that's almost, that's almost scarier for your mainline churches, but then also the, you know, the non-denominational evangelical churches as well. like that's a line that they won't cross they would rather go to Haiti and die than suffer any sort of social yeah that be called racism yeah or social uh the government of Haiti cannot revoke their 501c3 status and this is something that if people can call me cynical all they want if your church is a 501c3 it's not a church it's a nonprofit that's that's just that's the best way to cut through is because that's why they're more afraid of what the government thinks in this state in this country so they're not going to lose their 501c3 status and that's why they're afraid of being called racist because god forbid they lose their 501c3 status and you know i i get a lot of flack for saying that but this is part of the problem is you have people who are think who have a non-profits mindset with this stuff where you know great you have a martyr that's a new that's a

fundraising newsletter opportunity right that's a way to to get people to send you know tax deductible donations about how we sent someone over there and they they were willing to die we use help support the cause you know i i and i hate saying this stuff i don't like being cynical but i've seen that kind of attitude being conveyed and yeah exactly why are they being i i live in an area i live in washington state you want to evangelize a place how about you send some missionaries over here? Why are you saying them over here? They may or may not gang rape you over here,

but the odds are more in your favor than they are over in Haiti. I specifically remember at my now former parish. I asked, why is it when my English friends want to find a Lutheran church that isn't gay? The nearest one is like a few hours away and it speaks Portuguese. Why is this happening in England? And the response that I got was eventually it boiled down to after a few minutes of pressing statements and whatever else, to, while Europe has mostly just rejected Christianity, so we're focusing our efforts elsewhere. It was very transparent, which I

appreciated. That's probably the only thing about that statement that I did appreciate. And it's probably also very representative of most of these conservative elites. They have this narrative of this one where somehow Europe has abandoned Christianity, not because of perhaps the role of liberalizing church opinion. episcopates or any of these other things, it's definitely all fault of the people there, but when black nationalist gangs in Haiti murder missionaries, somehow I imagine this is going to provoke more of a response in Haiti for mission work and not less. There's very clearly a narrative spun in these evangelical circles,

and I'm speaking for them just because these are the people that I've heard for my entire life. I have no clue about the Roman Church or the Orthodox or anything else. I'm sure they could probably speak to this as well. But there's a narrative that's been spun here, and it's very boomerish, where anything bad that the Europeans do, or the Westerners do, the white people do, is used to explain why we are just going to have to focus less on mission efforts there. It's not as glamorous. They've rejected it, whatever else.

But any adversity faced in the third world inevitably results in more funds, more people, more blood, being sent that way for the exact same reasons. I've heard similar statements from the evangelical Protestant perspective. It was like, oh, well, you know, white people don't want to go to church anymore, so we've got to evangelize the Hispanics. I'm like, you've got a ton of problems with your church. Maybe that's why they don't want to be there. So maybe the problem is you.

Kind of like Charlie Sheen from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Your problem is you. And if you look at these Boomer Khan Protestant mainline churches, in my town, there's a big UMC, United Methodist, which, as you probably know, had a big split over the recent year, over gay marriage, female clergy, etc. So the UMC church where I live, Pete's familiar with it in Auburn, Alabama, has, of course, female ministers and a really, really puddy. light in the loafers, awful, you know, first name basis type minister who runs the place. And they have jumbotrons and that sort of thing. And so the retired older minister has all these paintings, not paintings on the wall, but all these photographs on the wall, they have an annual thing to Guatemala, Guatemala.

And so that's like their big focus. Once a year we have to go to Guatemala. Everyone give a second offering for this. And, of course, you can go to any number of cities in the state of Alabama and find grossly entrenched poverty, which you could be addressing, Mr. Boomer. But, you know, let's go to Guatemala. And then, of course, on top of it all, with all this, you know, this incredibly effeminate, gynecentric vibe,

why aren't there any young men? These young men need to step up and get married. really yeah there's definitely a lot of that okay well we'll work on that because um you know we'll we'll work on that these young men need to step up and marry the tatted up nose ring girl right yeah absolutely you know it's funny i told a i told the church that was at years ago that they need to focus on getting young men into the church not making this up the first thing to come out of one of the people's balance was but they don't have any money No joke.

I said, a church that can not get met, young men to go through its doors will close those doors. And they said, but they don't have any money. I'm like, oh boy. A few months back, my wife was approached to go on a mission trip, not to Haiti, but somewhere not so great either. I remember laughing at the guy. It was going to be an all-women's mission to some shithole. And I was like, absolutely not. You got to be kidding me.

I couldn't believe the naivity of that trip. And I really, I pray that it's been canceled. I haven't heard anything about it since. Well, you know, it's not just about how you have an issue with so many of these Protestant churches having women as ministers, right? But it's also just the epidemic of feminized men that you see everywhere. It's like what actually rational thinking man would think it's a good idea to send, a group of women to a place like Honduras or something like that. I mean, what a horrible, horrible idea.

Let's see. All right. Jeff has left us, but we thank you for coming by. Jeff, he had a heart out. Go ahead. It's one of those things. Everybody's, you know, the great commission, go forth to all the nations. Well, when you look at the book of Acts, they didn't do that immediately.

You know why they didn't do that immediately? Because they had to preach to everyone in Israel. And after they preached to everyone in Israel and people said yes and people said no, then they went to the nations. Take your... I would say also, he said that to a very small group of people. And it's led to this very weird attitude of where you have, almost like this Tourette's where you have to talk about it in every moment, every opportunity. I remember one couple I knew where they had their pastor was over at their house. and they had some guy drop off something

I think it was an Amazon guy and I said all thanks for dropping it off and the pastor was like you didn't talk to them about the gospel it's like he's dropping off a package dude like this isn't an appropriate time to have this conversation about this and it's also this weird attitude

where you need to bear out your soul and tell everyone about your personal private life you know you're this you know I actually have a essay in the drafts that I got for the old glory club about the prodigal son heresy is what I call it and that goes back to that where you have to have a a prodigal son story in your own personal life as part of that you know evangelicalizing or or you know you can't just talk about it you also have to say I did LSD and I hooked up with all these other

people and I did heroin and I committed all these crimes and then you know I got saved like you got to have that and if you don't have that you're kind of a odd man out there's certainly an incentive for those people to get way more attention i mean uh wasn't like joel oldstein like uh a drug addict at one point or something like that i seem to recall and uh i just i can tell like the the prodigal son's story like as far as your testimony that was a huge deal where if you didn't have that story you were seen as lower status you were seeing as kind of like the older brother in that parable where which i'm like as i wrote my essay there's no indication that he did anything wrong he just wanted to make sure that his money was it the the

wealth he hadn't built up was going to get sent to hookers and and in booze or whatever it was so i just find it it's such a dysfunctional mindset because it's basically this like attitude of we hate anyone who actually sticks around and believes us, and we love people who hate us. Because we're waiting for them to, like, finish their prodigal son journey and come back to us. So, and that point, yeah, go ahead. Going back to the Great Commission, though, since that's really pertinent to this idea about sending missionary, your white daughter and whomever else to places like Haiti, this is the theological justification for that, which, for whatever reason, this doesn't apply to the people outside of the homes of these evangelical churches either.

Basically, every part of the United States has these communities which are nominally Christian, probably not in the same connotation that Haiti is nominally Christian, given all the very syncretic elements of that. But even if you want an aside, most of these evangelicals won't acknowledge that it's syncretic because that's going to get into issues about black supremacy and whatever else that they don't want to touch, just pretend that Haiti is a Haitian Christians are perfectly Christian until you can prove painstakingly otherwise for each and every individual one. But with that aside, there are a great deal many communities in the United States,

far closer to these evangelical churches or Roman Catholic or wherever else. Once again, I am certain just seeing everything else that has happened across Christendom that this is not just a Protestant problem. There are a ton of places right next to these people, a ton of communities. And as we were just saying, in the same way that you have to have a prodigal son story to really show how fervorous and how devoted you are to the faith to show you're the true, real Christian. You have to go to these foreign missions because that seems as much more glamorous.

You can't just minister to the people nearest by, because ministering to whites, ministering to rednecks, hicks, hilly's and whatever else across the United States is not nearly as glamorous. It's not even get as many boomers fired up. And in fact, it might even be racist to go to them instead of to the third world, thousands and thousands of miles away. That's the complex that's sort of arisen in evangelicalism, and I'm sure, in other places as well. Well, the last thing I'll want to touch on this, and then we can move on to the next story,

is I think there's also a piece of this that kind of in the same way where people have it in their brains, like college is like the birthright of all kids in America. It's supposed to be this place. we get to go out and party and experience new things. I think there definitely is a part of that where, ooh, I get to go to this exotic country, right,

and go visit this, you know, other part of the world. Well, I'm really there for mission work, but, you know, I think there's a part of that as well,

with, like, the idea of I get to go and travel, e-pre love kind of stuff. And also, to piggyback off of what Jeff was talking about earlier before he left, this prodigal son stuff is particularly, you know,

insidious when, you know, you have the, the, like the meme of like the trad girl, right, comes back to the church at 29 years old after she's, you know, fuck 50 dudes, right? You know, it's like now, okay, you know, she's made her return. Now the guy has to go and settle down with her, right?

So there's a lot of dangerous, uh, mean pathogens, uh, that have been dropped from this story. But I'm not going to speak too much on that, given my not religious, uh, background like Ryan has here. But any final comments on the Haitian stuff and then we'll move on to the next story. Yeah. Yeah. Just a hell away from Haiti. Yeah, say that way.

And I just wanted to reiterate, for all the people, the browbeating you because you aren't accepting these people is just holy martyrs for the faith. You know, demand people, everyone needs to demand more proof. But this is not, you don't just, you aren't just, to become a martyr, you don't just get put on payrolls as missionary as your job title and then get murdered by human hands. And then suddenly you become a martyr in league with all of these great people throughout history. Demand more proof. Where is the proof that these weren't black nationalist gangs who just murdered Whitey? Where's the proof that these gangs killed them because they were Christians? This is the standard for any martyrdom throughout history. It would be good to see that.

I would not let anyone browbeat me for taking that position. I want to see that these people were martyrs, not just take the words of people who are very clearly politically motivated, going to Haiti and sending daughters and sons over there for no gain. Not for nothing. This used to be, the evangelical Christian block used to be the most powerful lobby, especially on the right when it came to national politics. You couldn't get elected to anything without these people, and this is kind of where they are now.

It's amazing to see that that happened in my own life. time. Indeed. All right, gents. Let's move on to talking about Israel, our favorite topic that we love to keep coming back to these days. Well,

there's kind of two things to mention this week as it relates to the Israel stuff. Number one is that the Israelis have begun actually bombing Rafa, and they've killed many, many kids, many women and children, non-combatants. If you want to go seek out the footage, can i caution you it's horribly and ghastly and also on top of this um the 350 million dollar

pier that was supposed to receive uh aid from the west has um broken down has sunk into the sea so there we go 350 million dollars flushed right down the drain we were talking more about foreign aid not too long ago well here it is again there it is just floating out to sea kind of like the the orca from uh jaws or something you know there it goes now my first question is how in the hell does that that thing cost $350 million to make. That things like not even 100 yards long, you know, that how is that possible is my first question. I mean, I remember that in the late 1980s, I'm talking about a pencil at the Pentagon costing,

you know, $100. So, I mean, it's a meme by now. It's an old meme, but that pretty much explains it. Yeah, no, that has that pier has the nicest Raytheon sticker on it. Yeah. Exactly. The steel is actually braided with gold. Yeah, exactly.

That's how it works. I think it's indicative of the U.S. For the last, I'm trying to think of like a war where they're actually afraid of losing. And that might be possibly World War II, maybe if you won't go back to the Civil War, but where you can't afford to be incompetent and wasteful with your stuff. And I get that there was waste in World War II. I get it. But we're talking on, I don't know.

I just feel like this is just a very symbolic of how America is not serious about war. Because it's never had to win a war at least since World War II. Because there's no consequences. Like they lost Vietnam and nothing happened. They didn't win in Iraq. Nothing happened. They lost Afghanistan. Nothing happened.

You know, there was a ton of waste. Nobody, there was no political ramifications. Nobody got voted out of office for losing that, for the Afghanistan withdrawal. They left how much equipment over there? I mean, the amount of waste and like there's just no consequences. So I feel like that's where it just contrasts us with, say, countries where whenever they're in a war, it's a fight for survival. And you can't afford to waste money and waste stuff. And if somebody is being wasteful, they're going to get shot.

Well, on top of this, it also just shows the complete incompetence of the Biden administration of the constant fence hopping back and forth of, oh, we're going to support the Israelis carrying out their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. But at the same time, we're also going to provide aid to the Palestinians so they could stay there in this tight box and receive our aid so that it makes it easier for the Israelis to shoot them or whatever. I mean, this is just ridiculous. There's nobody is in charge. We haven't picked a, you know, a true side. guess you would say and naturally everyone's going to loot the coffers as a result well the democrats are probably my guess is they're having a civil war right now within the party because you've got the you know the israeli um Zionist whatever word you want to use the the pro

israel side and then you've got the newcomers and by the way guys this is what happens when you import people from countries uh that you did and you know i is why i kind of tell people Now it's like I question the sanity of any is a pro-Israeli Jewish person who's open borders at this point because they're discovering it not only in America but in England and other countries where they're very much pro-Palestine and they're suddenly wondering like oh they're now they're against our policies well gee like you don't want to vet who comes into your country and ask what their politics are these just people just comment and immediately the moment they cross and they they touch magic soil magic dirt they become an american or an englishman or whatever no they bring their their people's politics in and i think this is a frustrating thing as americans it's like we have to witness this stuff going on in our own you know front yards at least in my case like it's literally going on in my state where there's city council meetings where people are fighting over this stuff and arguing over and they're like

Like, what does this have to do with us? But, yeah, because our government wants to fund both sides or either side. I think one of the, I think one of the interesting things is, and I don't know that a lot of people see this because I don't think a lot of people read about this as much as I do, is, I mean, there really is like a civil war going on between, like, right-wing and left-wing Jews. this past week, Yael Diane died in Israel, and her dad was probably the most famous Israeli general ever, Moisha Diane. And they didn't cover her at all.

When her mom died, every Western newspaper covered her because she was like some fashion designer. When her brother died, he was some director. There was blurbs in every... No newspaper in the world covered her, except the Times of Israel, one Times of Israel writer, who could only put it in the blog section. And why? Because she was pro-gay rights.

She was pro-Palestinian rights. She was, I mean, she basically was like a hard, like a hardcore leftist within Israel, you know, saying we need to take care when they took in Sudanese refugees. She was behind getting them all set up there and everything. That didn't work out too good. But here's something that most people don't think about in Israel. Israel is a multicultural nation. Yeah, they're an ethno state,

but that doesn't mean that they're all sharing the same culture. And I think you're seeing a lot, what you're seeing now is you're seeing a war that's going on there. I mean, Tel Aviv is known as the gayest city on the planet. Okay, well, does Lakud? Does like that? You know, do the Kudniks like that? No. No, they don't like that at all. I mean, I think Israel is right now sensing that they're coming to the end of their 80-year cycle that happens every time. And that's why they're doing all this. They're trying to, gather as much support from Jews all over the world to try to bring everyone together because and some of their religious leaders and philosophers have talked about hey we're coming up on an 80

year cycle here and usually we don't last past 80 years and I think they're just desperate. I think it's very interesting to watch. But it's also for people who understand that Israel is responsible for basically every war we've been we've been involved in. since 1991, you can make arguments longer than that, but, you know, not necessarily the state of Israel, but people of Jewish persuasion. I think that something really interesting is happening, and I, you know, we could very well be seeing, like, the gasping there going on, because, I mean, Moishe Dian is a hero in Israel, I mean, is worshipped, in Israel. His daughter, who was a member of the Knesset, who was a, was, I think she was mayor of

Tel Aviv at one point. They, they don't even mention her in the newspaper when she does. There's something going on in there, and it's very interesting, and I think that it's going to have, I said two weeks after October 7th that this, this is going to be a conversation that we're going to have and it's not going to go away. I think most people thought October 7th, oh, you know, a couple months, everything, people stop talking about it. This is the conversation from now on. They're passing anti-Semitism laws in states that don't have Jews. I mean, we're in a very interesting place. And I think that people who study that nation and their people and their history

or looking at this, anyone who knows it should be looking at it and be wondering, huh, really the only question I have is if Israel starts to fall apart and people start abandoning it,

where do they go? Because, sorry, I don't want them coming here anymore than I want Haitians coming here. And at the same time, Netanyahu is brought up on war criminal charges at the international court.

like there is a there is a sense around the world that people are people are it seems like they're sick of Israel yeah uh indeed i mean and again it just cannot be stressed enough uh to anyone that listen america is getting absolutely nothing out of this the only thing we're getting out of it actually is more refugees coming over here our money is being flushed down the toilet um we are you know the only way israel is getting away with what they're doing is because they have big daddy America backing them up and America should not be involved in any of this stuff neither side is our friend our money's being flushed down the toilet uh innocent children are being killed and look at this thank thank you Doug for pulling this up i totally forgot we had this but look at this fucking

bitch this absolute con Nikki haley is signing artillery shells that they're going to be sent over to Israel saying finish them off you know i mean what an absolute horrible woman uh she she is just the worst terrible terrible kind of speaks to like the uh No, I was mentioning this before we went live and T.J. might like this, but it just speaks to the gyna centric nature we currently have in the West where there's just a woman who is signing her name on artillery shells that are going to be sent in a war that she's never going to fight in, never going to feel the consequences for, and just calling for the death of children, basically. It's like, what a fucking joke. When you look back in political history, you see many great statesmen that were born on the field of battle, basically. Von Bismarck's Iron and Blood speech, despite having such a metal name, if you will, was far more conciliatory than certainly what's coming out of our politicians regarding active warfare across the world right now. And that's not a coincidence.

Most of these politicians calling for the wholesale slaughter of various different groups of people, depending on what conflict it is, are doing so because they haven't actually experienced any of this, and they haven't been on the dealing end of it. When you have great statesmen in history, once again, Bismarck comes to mind. This man fought in his own wars, basically, even while he was a chancellor, he would ride out with the army. Haley is not going to do that, and she would never get anywhere near all this stuff. It's entirely a PR campaign. And this is at least a mechanical consequence of that state of affairs. Haley is always going to go through this completely tone-death PR campaign about warfare,

because she has no clue about it, and most of her PR directors obviously don't. They're running numbers and spreadsheets and whatever else saying that your support base likes this and hates these other people, so we might as well go hard in one direction and soft in the other to make sure that your support base likes you. And it's going to produce this tone-deaf stuff because these people behind it, Haley in this case, has no clue what she's talking about. That's why she's going to be signing these bombs for slaughter. Yeah, you know, it's just a horrible situation.

And, you know, again, America should not be involved in any way in this. And it's horrible what is happening over there, but we don't want any refugees. We don't want any of our money sent over there. It's just, you know, I got in a huge argument over the Memorial Day weekend with some more boomer cons. And, of course, we're, you know, up in arms about Israel is our greatest ally, right?

And it's just so unbelievably bizarre to me how in times where, you know, if you just weren't paying attention to Fox News, you'd never know this was happening. And it's so weird to me that, oh, we have to defend Israel down to the very last man because of the big thing that happened 80 years ago. And it's like, well, I mean, all the people that were actually like involved in that are long gone, they're long dead. Does Israel just get to have this like wild card that they can cash in for literally all of eternity because of the big thing?

than happened. I mean, this is just ridiculous. Nobody else gets this exception. And I think people are sick of it at this point. Let's go on and read some super chats here, Jens. And then we will shift our gaze over to Taiwan really quick. So thank you gentlemen. As always, you've been very generous tonight. So let's start going through some of these. Chief Sling and Beef for five bucks. Anyone want to join my pact to bring back segregation. Also had a lib at work say, at least Clinton didn't lie about it. This guy was an adult in the 90s. Clinton did lie about it. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. That's like the whole thing.

What? It was a ridiculous argument. Let's see. Pete Budapest for 10 bucks. Am I the only one who is at a level 13 from the absolute retardantry from BoomerConn's today? Oh boy, if our country continues down the path, we'll have a real issue. These people are beyond pathetic. Well, yeah, it's like you see this like, you know, there were a bunch of memes today.

America 1775 2024 it's like really this is the death knell today this is really what you thought was like the the real big problem of our nation the Donald Trump trial dude like if I got stories for you man this country was going down the shitter

a long long time before this come on yeah mccurkey just a McCorky the taste a bit the smell of it the texture I love gold yeah I love gold for 10 bucks Doug you're getting lashes for that

unacceptable Carry on, carry on, TJ. Oh, Joseph McCarthy. I have one of his books that he wrote, and he was talking about how back in the 50s, he had parents complain about how the kids were being indoctrinated in colleges by communist propaganda.

Like, this has been going on for a long time. And so it didn't just happen yesterday. Yeah, exactly. Let's go to Yeha Jinser, one of our strongest soldiers for two bucks. Good evening, chuds. Well, good evening to you, sir.

And we thank you for your page. patronage. Our good friend Luth Emplar sends us $10. The apostles would have rather found strong men in Haiti to preach to their own, allowing the locals to respond the responsibility to take care of their own neighbors. Telescopic philanthropy is not biblical. Ryan, I'm sure you have much to say on this. Yeah, as the more religious member of the panel. Well, it's true. It's just the current crop of evangelical bureaucrats and leaders that run these things. aren't going to go along with that because they rely on their foreign missions to show that they're not racist or to show how non-racist they are. It serves a social purpose other than spreading the gospel, and that might be the biggest scandal of it all for the religious members of the audience, is that these castes, these priestly casts in evangelicalism, Protestantism, and I'm sure,

once again, the other sides can speak for themselves, and be honest or dishonest, it doesn't matter to me. They will do all of these things, send their own people to die because it's a social tool to them, and it's not about spreading the gospel. I think that's the biggest scandal of them all out here, even, and I'm saying that with the fact that this guy's children died, you don't toy with God to gain your own respectability amongst men. That is an omnipotent punishment waiting to exact upon you. indeed. Pete Budapest for five bucks again.

I've been cynical about American missionaries for decades now, a toxic blend of cowardice, narcissism, naivete, and self-righteousness. Yeah, this definitely seems like more of an issue in the Protestant communities than Catholic ones or Orthodox. I mean, in my time spending it in like Eastern Orthodox, they usually go back to like the country of origin is what I've seen, which I guess makes a little bit more sense.

like if you're Russian Orthodox, you go to Russia, if you're Serbian Orthodox, you go to Serbia or something. That makes a little bit more sense to me. But like this Protestant stuff, where it's like, oh, let's go to Ghana or let's go to, you know,

I don't know, Hell Salvador or something. It's just very, very weird to me. Let's see. New England refugee for five bucks. Could not be happier to see Jeff Diced here. Strange New Liberty is a great book.

Can't wait to see y'all next week. God bless you all in America. Yes, indeed. I don't know, maybe bring the book and Jeff might sign it. for you or something. I'm excited to meet him in person and all of our good people over at the OGC

conference. So again, there are still a couple tickets available if you guys still haven't bought them yet. Let's see. Poor peasant for 20 bucks. M.BIC, Ava Prats have forgotten the heroic

and militant aspects of Christendom. Luther's Revolution quelled the militant orders, a grave error. well I mean I'm not exactly seeing much more heroism from the Roman Catholic post-liberals arguing to abolish the southern border to make the country more Catholic I don't think that's exactly heroic they're the ones closest to power on the Roman Catholic side Ryan's got to get a jab in on those Catholic I was leaving it out of this whole thing but that that guy super chatted and I have to respond have you have you ever looked at these Catholic the names on these Catholic organizations oh they're all my Jews They're all run by Jews. Any, any, you can, I could start a company tomorrow. I could start a foundation tomorrow and call it Catholic. I do not need to have the, the Vatican's okay.

I mean, like literally there are organ, you will look at all, if you go into and you start looking at all these open border Catholic organizations, you will find so many Jews. And normally in a Catholic organization, it'll give their name a little bit of a, bio and then it'll say their home parish. None of these people have home parishes. I mean, I have... It's the weirdest thing. I'm more had people like Deneen in mind who's meeting with Vance in Ohio. Like that's the guy I had in mind because he and his entire post-liberal milieu, which is very popular in academia right now and creeping its way into political

institutions. Their whole, their whole shtick is a we need a Roman Catholic United States of America and to accomplish that. We need to replace that. We need to replace that. We need to replace the Americans because they're too genetically Protestant. That's what their arguments boil down to. That's who I had in mind, which once again doesn't seem very heroic to me. I find it very

kind of annoying whenever somebody's pointed out a systemic problem and somebody goes, well, if everybody was just more of my fill in the blank, it's like, look man, every single denomination or whatever is suffering from the same problem. I'm not taking sides

with anybody on this stuff. But, But no, like you're not going to solve this problem. The problem is much deeper and much more nuanced than official theological statements. This is where we get kind of into deeper, subliminal, subtle stuff that can transcend a doctrinal statement or what the, you know, because you see guys who are like, oh, well, Protestants have female pastors. and then you see kind of that radical stuff going on with the, you know, Catholic churches or, you know, the Pope or whatever it is. It's just these problems are not defined by one denomination. And it just, it irritates me because it's like, guys, you're trying to come up with this one silver bullet of like, if everybody just believed this one thing, everything would be right. And that's not how it works.

That's not how it's ever worked. all right let's carry on here for p budapest again boy we got a lot of super chat tonight thank you gentlemen uh very generous as always um let's see any revised eta when the constitution is going to start showing up and saving us good one that's that's funny pete thank you thank you for that super chat i'm still waiting for cue oh man uh you know uh murdo i'm Murdoch got it right on the Q question a very long time ago and if if you know you know let's see um lu templar again for five bucks proper missionary work requires an understanding of

kronos and kairos uh time many don't know how that works well i i'm one of them uh lu templar so i do not know what these uh terms refer to i remember there were like kairos retreats that like i was a big thing in the catholic church and such might not be referring to the same thing but uh Let's see. Ballaro 393 for five bucks. Reminds me of Molly Tibbets and her father who said Hispanics were Iowans with better food. Sacrifice without a cause, pearls before swine.

It's astounding that that guy was wrong on two counts in such a short sentence. It's amazing. It's like you're, you know, I'll just keep it to one sentence. Your daughter is brutally murdered and your only response is, oh, whoa, these people are great. good food. Like, what is that who says that in response to your daughter's murder? You kind of see this a lot with like

lefties whose like kids are victims of you know, like scholars, scholar violence and they immediately say, oh, well, it's not about race. We can't possibly name anything about like the who was the perpetrator of this crime because it, you know, is systemically

racist or whatever. It seems like the same thing to me. I'm told that there's actually government agencies that will if there's like a high profile case like that they will come in and basically for a lack of a better word they will make it clear there will be consequences if you don't if you say anything racially charged or if you say anything bad and that's why they say the stuff that they say that's it's a theory i don't know if it's true but there are yeah from what i you know tj wouldn't be surprised at all because we know a lot of these uh journalists and democrat like staffers in Congress have direct ties

to Antifa, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they use them as like attack dogs and kind of waved them in front of them. It's like, oh, if you say anything that's racially charged, you know, your address is public. We could send it over to this Antifa squad. You wouldn't want people riding in front of your house, would you? You wouldn't want people calling up your businesses,

right? I can totally see that shit happening. Yeah. It really does feel like child sacrifice has become the new American pastime. dark dark times indeed you see it everywhere like this whole uh desperation to like destroy child's innocence it's just that's it's not so much to sacrificing their body it's sacrificing their like innocence where you break them it kind of reminds me that line from uh the scent of a woman

with alpuccino where he says there is nothing like the sight of a broken spirit there's no prosthetic You can't once a person's spirit is broken, there's no fixing it. And so the whole idea is we break their spirit as early as possible. Because once that happens, you really don't have to work. You can kind of step back and people can come in and try and do what they want. But you've already marked your territory on that kind of stuff. Moving on here to Leonard for five bucks. The only missionary my wife will be doing is with me.

That's controversial. in the church now apparently. Let's see. Moving on to Seasider. As always, sends us $10 and a salute. Thank you very much, Sarah Ree. Thank you for your patronage, as always. Pete Budapest again for five bucks.

The spokesperson for the Pentagon was asked for comment following the peers syncing her response. Shit. Thank you. Yeah, beep. Yeah. Amazing.

Let's see. Here we go with our strongest super chatter once again coming in from the shadows paladin y y z for 50 bucks now dug he deserves some gold i love gold the look if it the taste a bit the shmall a bit the texture i love gold well there you go uh... elite theory uh... PayPal mafia our country is in trouble. Yeesh more like Plato's cave that was not a court that was not a judge there were no crimes no real jury this is some eyes wide shut private ritual. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what elite theory is.

Eyes wide shut private rituals. That's what the elites do. That's the way they get, that's the way they'll get someone out of the way. That's the way they put somebody in place. This is what they do. I mean, that's the way it works. I wonder if they'll put Trump in Jeff Epstein's cell for old times. No.

I was going to say, I'm wondering if they're going to, he's going to, he's going to be killed in prison. Oh man. Who knows? And they're not going to be subtle about it. It's going to almost be a, yeah, we did this. What are you going to do? Yeah, that's definitely a possibility.

What they could also do is, like, I mean, Trump's getting old, right? You know, he's approaching 80. I don't know. It wouldn't be too difficult for him to heart attack himself, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a scary. thoughts indeed.

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Thank you very much, gentlemen. Let's get back to a couple more of our stories here and then we'll shut down from the evening. This next one is going to be kind of really quick. We don't really have to touch on it too much. But apparently the Chinese, people are here. There have been reports suggesting that the Chinese are going to have an invasion of Taiwan sometime in the early summer, June slash July. They've been running military exercises, moving their ships around Taiwan. And I got to say this, if I was the Chinese, I would pick now more than any time when America's attention is diverted to Ukraine and sending unlimited amounts of arms to the, you know,

Ukrainians, when our attention is diverted over to the nonsense that's going on in the Middle East, like we were just discussing with the Israelis and the Palestinians. It seems to me, if I was the Chinese, now is the time. I mean, are you going to get a better opportunity when the Ayavsarun, for lack of a better word, its gaze is elsewhere? Well, it looks like what's happening is basically just a hostile takeover in the legislature. So basically, pro-China forces in the legislature. are moving against the president.

I can't remember what his name was. I was reading the article yesterday to reduce his power and give more power to the legislature. And basically what they're looking at is they're looking at being being more friendly to China. Now, I mean, I don't, not having. a, not following this like, you know, like our good friend Mr. Prudentialist does as close as he does, I don't, I can't say whether that that would be a good thing or a bad thing because then you'd have to know the motives of the people who are doing this. So that's pretty much what I've seen. And then there was another article today that came out talking about how China was reducing, China was, mainland China

suspends tariff arrangements on 134 items under Taiwan trade deal. So, yeah, decision to take effect June 15th. It says Taiwan failed to take any actions to remove trade restrictions on products from mainland China. So, yeah, it looks like they're having a little back and forth. It's just a matter of who within that legislature is what their intention is with being more friendly to China. that president by the way

P is Leiching T is that president of Taiwan I didn't want to screw it up so yeah yeah well I no doubt I just did so I dare for you it just seems like time is on China's side here as as the American

as American influence sort of wanes from the world it'll and as the Taiwanese legislature starts to pivot towards more pro-China sentiments I don't think that a military solution would necessarily be in China's interest it's would we rather sacrifice you know 10,000 men minimum to get this island when we can just wait another 10 20 years and they'll come to us kind of thing right because if Taiwan goes to China the United States military can't do anything

about it they just they if they're if they're not tactic this is kind of the weird thing about modern politics is if they're able to undermine their, you know, government and infiltrate it and subvert it, and they get the government to side with them, the United States doesn't have a pretext for attacking China because if the country, the government wants to go to them, there's nothing they can do about it. And that really kind of just underscores the whole issue of, you know, where in modern day, it's easier to take over a country with, you don't have to have a military anymore to take over. over country. You have economics, trade, immigration, and the abilities to subvert. That's it. You

don't need a military to conquer another nation. Then again, the posturing from China of invasion might be enough to sway the Taiwanese to come to the table because they have to be seeing the situation around the world as far as the United States supporting its other allies and, you know, saying no maybe maybe it's better if we just rejoin the glorious chinese mainland and china's probably going to do a long-term thing will they'll say hey on on paper officially you'll be part of us but uh in actuality nothing's going to change for the next 30 40 years so the people they get to have their face-saving victory of taking Taiwan back into china nothing changes for the people who actually live there in the short term, it's all long-term stuff.

And they're like, you know, this is what happens when you can take advantage of people who think short-term are like, well, I'm going to be dead. I don't have to deal with it. You know, the other thing, too, about maybe why this relationship between China and Taiwan are ramping up a little bit, many people are suggesting that they're going to strike now because of the possibility of Trump coming back into the office in the fall here. And with Trump being much more of a China hawk than the Biden administration was, what do you guys think about that? This is why we need to call in Prude.

Hold up a back symbol from the Prudentialist. No. I mean, it's going to be interesting. I think that it's telling that Putin didn't invade Ukraine until Trump was out. So I think that this, you know, and there's theories I've heard from people where if Trump does get a lot. elected it's going to cause a lot of change like China probably will invade Taiwan or attack or engage in some direct action in between the day he's he's elected and the day he's inaugurated because it's still going to be Biden so it's going to be very fascinating the question also is how many

of these foreign governments are going to be like who are they backing who do they want to see Putin has openly said he wants Biden in to remain because he's predictable Whereas Trump was just a total wild car. They had no idea what he was going to do. So I know I think that that's a good point where he might, the Chinese might want to move now where they have some sense of predictability. Whereas Trump, you just don't know what he's going to do, at least as far as when he was president.

Well, no doubt we'll have to keep a close watch on this situation. But, I mean, again, it's just more cracks on the side. Oh, here we go. China's final warning. Yeah. Final. Yeah, it carries no real consequences. Indeed. Well, we'll definitely be watching this to see what goes on.

I mean, it seems like China's kind of gone quiet. You know, you don't really hear about them anymore these days. So maybe they are just quietly working behind the scenes and doing their trade deals and business dealings and such. And, you know, as Charlemagne is pointing out in the chat, China has no incentive whatsoever to attack Taiwan. So maybe time is on their side. to quote the Rolling Stones. All right. You know what?

Just for the sake of the argument, because we have it loaded up, the final story we're going to watch tonight is how we have just completely lost all respect for celebrities at this point in America. There are no real celebrities anymore. Let's pull up what Robert De Niro had to say out of the Trump trial earlier this week.

I saw a bunch of people in the chat earlier already making MOOC jokes and such because there was like some heckler in the audience that called De Niro. He's a MOOC. But let's hear what De Niro had to say outside of the Trump trial. Trump, this kind of government will perish from the earth. I don't mean to scare you.

No, no, wait. Maybe I do mean to scare you. If Trump returns to the White House, you can kiss these freedoms goodbye that we all take for granted. And elections, forget about it. That's over. That's done. If he gets in, I can tell you right now. Now, he will never leave.

He will never leave. You know that. He will never leave. Well, I mean, first of all, my first reaction is saying, promise? Trump's also 80 years old. He'll never leave. Yeah, he'll serve one term and then he'll die. It's funny because that's what Ben Stiller said to Bobby De Niro when he pitched Little Focker

five. Yeah, I mean, I mean, just like Robert De Niro who kind of portrayed this tough guy in his movies and now it's like he's just completely. Yeah, it's sad.

Yeah, I mean, you can just see him reading off of that like it's a fucking line sheets of paper, you know, and like an actor reading off a script, you know, literally in his case, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah.

Does anyone really believe this guy believes anything I was saying? And the other thing, too, that's attached to this is like these kinds of weird tactics of like the world is going to end if Trump gets into office. I mean, like Trump was in office four years ago and none of this stuff happened. Well, it makes you think like, oh, you know, the sky's going to fall the second time. I mean, maybe there's people on this panel and people in the chat who are like, you know, don't spoil me with a good time, Mr. De Niro. But we all know that Trump really doesn't have it in him to be like, you know, orange mecha Hitler that everyone. thinks he is well also this is robert denaro like i'm sorry dude like you're a hollywood actor who's kind of you know you know senior living center stage in life right now like you're you're not

somebody who you're not a source of authority in any way on this topic like what why would we believe it's it's like it's like he came over and say hey if you don't replace all the pie the plumbing in your house it's it's going to be just your house is going to be destroyed like dude you're not a plumber you're you you wouldn't know pvc from pvc or whatever it is and pecks you wouldn't know any the difference like why are you talking like why is he talking it's like they they're they're appealing to like a era where we used to actually i remember robert de nero did like the intro for a nine 11 documentary and like kind of conveyed this like sense of graph top which he's completely lost

I remember the exact documentary. You're talking about TJ. It was like one of those ones where they, I think it was like around like the 10 year anniversary of 9-11 or something. It was like a big NBC thing. I remember watching with my dad when it was live and like it was unedited footage and it was raw because like all the firemen were saying, holy fuck and stuff like that. You know, De Niro had this big speech at the front. It's like there's going to be offensive language, but we think it's really important to hold on to the sacredness of this. But yeah, yeah, wow.

I haven't thought about that in a long time. But yeah, when you referenced it. Huh. I saw an article earlier today too that this actually got De Niro fired from some Kevin Costner project as well. Based. Yeah, it's like actors. I'm sorry.

This is where you kind of have to tow a line between getting involved in stuff that doesn't affect you. Like we don't want we don't, we're not interested in what you have to say about anything other than your craft. like stick to acting or whatever it is and it's like when people say oh this actor's going to vote for Trump I really don't care yeah it's weird

it's almost like this boomer cult of celebrity thing that goes on you see the same thing on the Trump side when someone when I remember one of the child actresses when she turned 21 she bought a gun and they caught her walk

out of a gun store. Every boomer in the fucking country was just like, she bought a gun. Oh my God. I just don't get that. I don't care. Do you think it comes from Pete that the boomers were kind of the first ever generation

to be raised on like the TV and to see all these people that were on the TV as like positions of authority on all their topics? So like the celebrity endorsement carries so much weight from these people. No, I think that the problem is that they probably look, it's the same reason why they worship

Israel. Our government sucks so bad that they look at a government and they think they see a government that cares about their people and cares about national security and cares about the border. And then when they look and they see, you know, they're looking for

any, because they have no heroes, they're looking for any kind of hero. And when they see like a, oh, I've seen that person in a movie, oh wow look at her you know our our second amendment rights are under attack and now you know blah blah blah just bought a gun uh this means that you know we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna have you know they're gonna abolish the nFA uh because this actress just bought a gun or so it's just cope

it's just the way they cope with their their um freedoms and their liberties like slowly going away. Yeah, it's their way of like trying to rationalize or just stay diluted about how much of what they were, they inherited, has been taken away or destroyed. And this is what you're seeing really nowadays where even the second wave boomers are getting old. They're kind of getting very insular where they don't want to engage in like a lot of stuff where they'd have to confront the reality that they're that all these institutions that they took for granted are gone and their kids are having to deal with that they don't want to talk about it you know the other thing i just googled this right here um de nero is uh turned 80 years old uh this year and kind of in

the same way how we have politicians who just will never go away yeah why why is he, why is he still around? You know, like, people thought it was weird when like Gene Hackman, retired, like two decades ago at this point, kind of just went off grid and nobody knows about him anymore. I mean, he might not be alive. Who the hell knows, right? But like, what is up with these people just sticking around forever? The same thing with our politicians, same thing with like our news people, the people are in charge of corporations. It's just like the boomers just will not go away. Well, actually, he might not be boomer. He might be silent, Jen, but, you know, at that age, but the point still remains. I, I mean, I have no. I have

idea with uh with um robert denaro but i wonder if they were kind of especially with guys from playing the characters he played where they were very authoritative very much in control um they that can kind of get to be an addiction where you know i i don't know i i just i mean the guy just had it was it him or out i know alpuccino had just had a kid i think robert denaro also just had a kid. I'm like, dude, go take care of your kid. You know? Yeah, you know, I mean, listen, I, I am not one to frown upon age gap relationships. As a matter of fact, I think they're probably the most healthy outcome for the man to be older than the woman. But come on, dude, at 80, having a kid, like, that kid, you're going to be dead before that kid is even learning

how to walk. You know, come on, dude. That's ridiculous. So I, yeah, I think that that or they're just get and see now or they just don't I don't know like they're it's weird it's really sad that um you see people that you used to admire or you thought were great actors or actresses and then they completely destroy their legacy by opening their mouths um it would be this is where any actor or actress that's willing to just keep their mouth shut in the long term is going to better off because their legacy is going to be more secure because other people are going to look at those other ones and say yeah i don't like them they were they were scum they they destroyed everything they had at the end of their day by just saying things that hadn't they're

it's like a plumber again it goes back to like it's a plumber saying they're saying retarded shit on twitter you know yeah like why why would you think we care about your opinions on this stuff And even, you know, Humphrey Bogart and his wife got involved in some of the politics in the 50s, but that had to do with stuff that was going on in Hollywood. And even then, they were like, they went to DC and they go, oh, these people are kind of not good characters. We don't want to get involved in politics anymore. You know, it was interesting how even then, like, they understood, we're getting involved in politics because of stuff that has to do with Hollywood because there was the whole, you know, House of an American Activities Committee, but then they met some, they dealt with some of the

people and they're like, yeah, this isn't exactly what we had in mind. We're not, we don't want to be caught between defending what they said. We don't, that's not what we're about. So even then, they started to realize, like, don't get into politics if you're an actor, actress, because it tarnishes your image. Yeah, apparently this is, I'm, uh, De Niro's, uh, current wife. God. I don't want to see. I don't even want to see what goblin-looking children. Who want to talk about predatory behavior?

This is where one guy said, hey, after a certain age, the guy's no longer the predator. It's the girl. That's a good point, too. If you're a 25-year-old girl and you're dating a 65-year-old man, you're the predator. Well, Doug, get this horrible image off the screen. I don't know. I'm going to see these, you know, degenerants anymore. Get him out of here.

He's a MOOC. Get him out of here. Yeah. All right, jents. Let's go through the super chats and wrap up for the evening. So we got a couple more that came in. Our good friend, Luce Amplar, once again, for five bucks, sends us appeals process. We'll take a year.

But I am hoping for a mandolese photo walk out of prison. I don't know that word. Mandela-esque. Oh, Mandela. Oh, I see. I see. He was creating a word. He wasn't,

yeah, it wasn't an actual word. Yeah. Well, I saw today there was some, like one of these, you know, like pro-Trump,

like black accounts or something like that was tweeted out a photo today of like Mandela holding up a fist and then Donald Trump also holding up a fist and like same thing. I'm fucking getting me.

Get out of here. Yeah, a little race communist from a side. Africa is the same as Donald Trump, apparently, to black Twitter, which is apparently Trump's growing demographic of supporters, apparently. I wonder if Melania will start rubbernecking people. Let's see, Pete Budapest for five bucks.

Boomer cons. Oh, boy, if they put Trump in jail, that could really set a bad precedent. I like Pete Budapest jokes today. He's been on point. Paladin Y, Y, Y, Z for 20 bucks, fires back once again. remember the old radio shack that closed down and turned into a quiz nose and now a french restaurant americans are like old ladies keep going to the restaurant looking for phone chargers rotary phones and cox connectors fucking apparently these people just will not go away i mean i'm um people have

their criticisms for him but vox day was 100% right when he uh coined the phrase day of the pillow you know let's see um uh p budapest again for uh 10 bucks. The over the top fire, five alarm fires over Trump reveals the regime's insecurity. Trump's main police victories for a marginal tax gut, renegotiating NAFTA and killing an Iranian general. It's so bizarre. Yeah, it is weird how, for like, for some reason, maybe it's because they actually do

know deep down that the potential for a person to be outside the system is a danger to them. It's just unfortunate that Trump's a boomer and doesn't understand what time. it is. Well, like maybe that's why they have such the amazing overreaction to it because like they know this flank is exposed. It just so happens that, you know, the guy who walked through that exposed flank is

you know, staring up at the sky like that famous eclipse photo, I guess. Well, who knows? Son of Haster, finally, to wrap up the superchats for five bucks says, and one week my caravan from New England departs for the event. See you gentlemen there. Yes, of course. I look forward

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So definitely take advantage of that right now before the sale ends June 1st. All right, let's go around the horn here and have everyone do some shillings here. Actually, Doug, play their ad. We at WBS Apparel and Pony Express Radio want to ensure our customers that Doug is just being a goofy guy. Is fine and in great health. Thank you. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, he's, we, uh, we, uh, we landed Doug out for a little bit, uh, when they were making that ad. So, all right, uh, let's go around the horn, get our blast bit

of shillings out of the way before we see you guys at the event. Uh, next week, Pony Express radio will return in two weeks time. Uh, Pete, we have coming up, sir. Um, Pete Cunano show just dropped an episode with Thomas on, uh, Hitler's foreign policy. And tomorrow will be, uh, announcing that we did another movie review, the 1987, Catherine Bigelow classic Near Dark. Just a great vampire movie that never once says the word vampire

in it. Very interesting movie. And yeah, check that out. We watched it yesterday. Commented through it. And I think we're going to like the cultural commentary on, you know, basically what a movie about a bunch of Peckerwoods.

Sweet. Sweet. Ryan, what do you have, sir? There's a lot of stuff to deal with the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate that people can find on my Twitter at Turnip Merchant. Go follow there. There's recent links to all the different interviews that I've done with our guys, including on Pete's own channel. He interviewed me about this very generously. Same with Aaron McIntyre.

And a few people that are perhaps tangential to our spheres, John Harris's conversations that matter. you can go and catch up on all that over those places. And then also my YouTube channel, if you want things that aren't to do with current events and that one church body, you can find it on Ryan Turnipseed here on YouTube. The most recent topic that I covered was the neocons. So you can finally figure out that whenever you call someone a dirty neocon,

what the neocons actually wrote was far worse than whatever you're accusing that guy of. especially the episode that I did with Mr. Paul Fahrenheit, our good friend, on Norman Pod Horitz. I would advise people not to listen to that one in front of children or anyone

that might be sensitive to such content, just because it gets very uncomfortable because Pod Horace was a weirdo. So you can find that at Ryan Turnip Seat here on YouTube. Yeah, indeed. People should definitely be checking out both piece stuff. He puts out great work, also checking out

all of Ryan's stuff, particularly those stream he did with Pete recently and hour on to give a recap of his current issues he's having with the church is definitely worth everyone's time and also one of my personal favorite streams I ever did was actually on Ryan's show I think it was like late last year we had a discussion about like RP topics versus church leaders and such that was really cool people want to check that out but Mr. T.R. Hudson one of our guests this evening where can people find more of your stuff sir? I have a Twitter and I wrote a couple books but I'm I'd rather everybody go out and support the double dealer.

That's DBL dealer at Twitter. We have a podcast. We have a couple of magazines out. And we have a book coming out at the event, which is a sort of anthology of our greatest hits. It's a beautiful cover, hardcover edition. Definitely you'll want to get your hands on it. Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

All right. And our other guests this evening, Mr. T.J. Martinell. Where can people find more of your stuff, sir? T-Jmartinell.com, M-A-R-T-I-N-E-L, and you can also go to Amazon and just type in my name and the books will ideally appear. All right, excellent. And for myself, just check out the Twitter. Also, I went back to a live stream on my own channel, kind of just some gaming stuff and chill for the time being. The podcast might return later this summer when I have more free time on my hands.

But aside from that, you can check me out on our, my good. friend jack napeer's channel on sundays for the post zero show so people want to learn a little bit more about us and game uh check us out over there but uh pony express radio will return in two weeks time uh definitely get your tickets now to the old glory club conference we hope to see you guys there it's going to be tons of fun come on down be part of the crew we'd love to see you there we'll see you guys in two weeks