The Pete Quiñones Show - 09/10/26 - Livestream w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

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And then what I did show today, I indicated the correct date on the post with the link, but I think I said it accidentally for September 11th because September 11th was on my mind. But apparently all as well. So yeah, thanks for participating. And thank you, so. I just finished recording with you. No, no. How are you doing, man?

Are you good? Yeah, yeah. I just finished recording with Mr. Burden's for his show. Yeah, yeah. No, Burdens helping me out tremendously with, uh, with, this manuscript. He's got really strong research chops, so I put him to work

doing research. And he deserves props, man. This is definitely coming to fruition owing to his diligent efforts. Awesome. I just record with Andy Edwards. I'm not knowing and funny Andy, Andy's my

homie, and he's a brilliant guy. And I mean, he's our dear friend, but, and obviously his research concentration are quite a bit different than mine. I was happy to hear he's deep diving in a political theory. But like I had to chuckle because he asked me, he's like, yeah, he's like, have you ever read or deep dive

into Francis Yaqui? I'm like, man, that's like, yeah, it's going to stripper if you likes cocaine. You know, I'm like, come on, man. I'm like, no, I don't know anything about that. I'm like the stripper who doesn't like cocaine. I know that he's told me that like years, like

he's been, he read Spain. like over a decade ago. So, yeah. It's a brilliant guy. And you can tell from his, he can tell him from his fiction. I mean, and he's our friend. I mean, I got love for him anyway, but,

you know, I, one of the reasons I plug his fiction enthusiastically is because obviously he's got a genuine philosophical foundation in the relevant canon. And there's no reason why you should sit around, like, brushing up on what I'm into. I just thought it was funny because most people,

most people make fun of me, I mean, I'll be it, you know, in goody humor. Like, yeah, you're, you're some fagg who spent all this time with esoteric national socialism and stuff about yucky. Oh, do you like my Irwin Ramel shirt? Let's see. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, no, birthday present to myself was this Ramel shirt. Awesome. Yeah. I got it from Sunwheel shop. There's, uh, import, yeah, I think you better look at it. There's import duties. They're a little steep, but they got really, they got really cool swag, man. And I, my favorite Reich generals are, I mean, Ferdinand Schorner, first, less, and always, and Sep Dietrich.

I identify with Sep Dietrich. But Ramel, I mean, Romel's the father of modern land warfare, any way you slice it. But, you know, and he was a spobian bastard. And, you know, my aunt or my auntie, as our African-American friends might say, was an Ostpreuss frau. And I've got a sphabian spirit because I'm also like a bastard son of Ulster, just like burden is. So I, Rommel has always been kind of like a spirit animal of mine. But it's like one of the first real books I ever read about the German

Reich and the war was the Trail of the Fox by David Irving because I found it when I was a young teen at the Brandeis book sale which at Old Orchard Mall was one of the few viable malls still around it's kind of odd because it's an outdoor mall like in Shytown

which means a half the year like you freeze your ass off there but it's still they got like a Macy's there which is you know that it's crazy to me that the flagship Macy's, which, you know, was in the loop because they rebranded Marshall Fields. Like, that's gone. Like, the one up in Northbrook is gone. But the one at Old Orchard is, like, still going strong. And they still got Barnes & Noble there.

Our dear friend Arthur, his code names, is Blood and Rain. It was his birthday the other day. We went to this Basque Tapas place, which was actually really, really delicious. Um, but I went to Arthur, like a lot of youngsters is a huge fan of, uh, his huge fan of drive and Nicholas Reffend, particularly drive. And a lot of people don't notice, but it's based on a couple of novels written by this dude. I can't remember his name, uh, but he was this pulp novelist who died a couple years back. So I tracked down, uh, the novel version of drive.

The film was based on. I got it for Arthur. Oh, and I found something else dope there. The heavy metal is back in print, which is pretty awesome. I haven't read this one yet because I've been too busy. But, you know, a few years back, Kevin Eastman, he was the guy from Ararge Studios. You know, and they were the original brand that did Ninja Turtles and fugitoid and melting pot. And actually some really cool stuff.

And the original Ninja Turtles comic was a riff on stuff like Frank Miller's running. so it was a little more I mean it was like I don't know it was sit there but it had a little more weight to it than the subsequent brand but Kevin Eastman he revived heavy metal in the 2000s

and it was pretty dope and I did flip through it for I bought it and it's like true to form it's all like it's all like robots and sex and violence and just like it always was so that's kind of cool like I'm not a comic guy but I'm a sucker for

heavy metal and I wouldn't be a weird old head bachelor if I didn't have heavy metal like lying around my it should have it should have a floppy plastic 45 in the back of it that you can play on your turn table that would be completely 80s I remember a friend of mine yeah friend of mine's like I don't I how do I play this it's it's just jumping all over the place I'm like put it on a normal record you fucking idiot just Lay it on top of a normal record and play it, you dumbass. Now, I'm old enough to, I'm probably the last, the cutoffs probably if you were born in like 75, 76,

but like growing up, my folks, they had a proper turntable on the stereo set up. And my mom had a galactic taste. She listed a lot of the Rolling Stones, but she also really dug Johnny Cash and Kenny Rock. And I don't think Kenny Rogers, but what I will see is this. When I was going to sleep, I was like a little tight, like six, seven, eight years old. My mom would always spin records.

And Kenny Rogers, the gambler, was like one of things that she liked to spin. And that and the Johnny Cash cover of Ghostwriters in the sky, it definitely, like, triggers, like, my memories of being a little kid. it's like even now when I hear the there's even now times like when I queue up the gambler on like my sleep playlist I don't sleep much because for me it's perilous but

the not as assassins are coming after me at least not of a not of the tangible sort but my dream space has been a bad proposition lately go ahead man sorry when my parents got back from Germany

they bought a a pen of stereo and it turns out that it was it was two it had tubes um they had a really nice turn table with it and it had a an eight track that flopped out of the top it was kind of hidden you had to press the button and it would pop out and everything but like later like i mean they bought that in like the early 70s and like i played it again in like the early 90s and it sounded better than any stereo system i had had up until that up until that point it was It was absolutely amazing.

The vinyl subculture, I know people associate it with douchy hipsters, but it makes a difference. And yeah, like you, you're all older than me, but I am old up to remember those old stereo setups, those two things, those like big-ass speakers, you got a depth of sound that could truly fill the room. But also vinyl, you get a higher fan. fidelity on a vinyl than you do off anything digital. That's part of the problem that dude

Rick Beto he's one of the few a sort of big podcast I sub to because he's got a lot of YouTube channel knowledge man to say the least and yeah yeah

and he's just like a charismatic funny guy and he seems like a good dude but he he was making the point about pro tools and stuff and some of these youngsters you were pushing back like hey fuck you man you know the only reason i can produce my own stuff is because you know the pro tools revolution you know 20 years ago and everything that followed he's like no no no no no he's like that's great he's like you're not saying what i'm saying he's saying like a drum machine doesn't sound like a human being. And the fact that, you know, John Bonham or Keith Moon, the fact that there was

imperfections in, and some like weird swing, for example, especially in a case of Keith Moon, to how they hit the skins, like that, that's what made the sound signature. You know, there's an interesting, I don't people don't like the Dune prequels, but one of them, A couple of really dope, and including the Machine Crusade. And one of the characters that stands out in the prequels is there's this there's this robot named Agamemnon, and he's obsessed with human culture because the story is that when he was wandering out on, on whatever planet he was situated on,

he slipped into this crevasse in the rock and he was trapped there for something like 40 years so he had nothing to do but sort of contemplate his own consciousness and keep himself company and then finally he was rescued and because he was such an advanced model he repurposed him and made him top of the line again so agamemnon he's developed a more layered consciousness than even most other

intelligent machines even subsequent models that are, you know, future generations to his date of inception. So he becomes obsessed with the human condition. And like, he'll try tasting human food and he upgrades himself these elaborate sensors to try and understand why human is like gourmet food. And he decides to pen a symphony. He's also like a totally sadistic brute. Like he'll do a thing as like vivisect his human slave.

just so I kind of see the reactions and study the pain and horror reaction and stuff but one day I'm not he decided he's like I'm gonna pen the I'm gonna pen the perfect symphony and sort of his sort of his prize captive is Serena Butler who kicks off the butlerian jihad but he Serena's highly intelligent and is a very cultured woman so he

enjoys bouncing his ideas offer but he's like you know Serena like I wrote he takes her out of her cell and he's like, I wrote this symphony, and it's the perfect symphony, because I know this algorithm that, you know, based on all the, all the ancient masters, you know, Beethoven, Bach, Wivaldi, um, Mozart, you know, so this symphony's perfect. But it's like, this, like, solace, like, product of a machine mind.

And she's, like, trying to explain to him, and he doesn't understand the intangibles, you know, uh, and then ultimately the Bultarian jihad jumps off because Agamnon, um, he starts getting irritated because upon he captured Serena Butler when she was pregnant and as she comes to term she stops like

being willing to engage with him and pays attention to her child so Agamemna is like well I'm going to kill the baby because it's annoying and also I want to see how Serena reacts so Agamemnon takes the baby and just like throws him off a balcony so like Serena goes berserk

and then when word like goes viral, the humans revolt, and that's the butlerian jihad. But, um, I don't know. I mean, it's a cool story. Um, but anyway, but sort of this core aspect of Agamemnon, like not understanding that there's

intangibles to music and, and some of the like imperfections are what make it evocative is, albeit that's an out of nose metaphor, but it's very true. And that's, I, that's one of those, like, pro tools are garbage. You know, because even, I mean, even if you're, even for, I mean, I don't, I don't like hip hop or anything, but if you listen to like old school hip hop even, like the samples there, yeah, Erasmus, that's right, it's not like an egg of Mnone, yeah, thank you.

But even if you listen to like old school hip hop beats, you know, the samples that are drawing upon, you know, samples that were recorded in high fidelity or whatever. That's there when some guy just queuing up, you know, his own beats or duplicating what was an iconic beat. Like, it sounds like video games or something, you know. You'd be, um, the, so he's right about that. The first difference I found in vinyl was, um, I bought Rain and Blood on CD and just listened to it in my car on CD. And then, like, yeah, like a year and a half. later I bought the vinyl and brought it home and put the headphones on and sat there and played the vinyl and it was a completely different record. It just sounded completely different and it

just sounded so much better. Like don't get me wrong. I do have, I do have a lot of stuff like the Berlin Philharmonic, the CD versions that I've downloaded, you know, of especially Berlio's and stuff. Barely owes is my theory composer. and don't get me wrong that sounds very good but it's because it very much it's not a studio production you know it captures a live performance

you know I mean don't get me wrong if I had the vinyl original with some of this stuff that would probably grab me different but it's a real thing like I've got I've argued that with the guys like oh you're just being some like old ady hipster I'm like no you're I'm like you don't understand I'm like I didn't think this until I was like

middle age because I you know I grew up a buy in stuff on. I mean, by the time I was like buying tapes and stuff and like the late 80s, I was buying tapes and then CDs. You know, I wasn't buying vinyl. It was and do on my own

equipment. I didn't realize it until I started spinning vinyl. So that the vinyl resurgence is actually a good thing, man. Our buddy... Plus if you go to... Our buddy Steve Fox is a big vinyl guy.

Our buddy, Stephen Fox, Fox and Sons coffee. He's a big vinyl guy. Yeah, he's a big vinyl guy. No, he's the best. He just sent me a big sake of coffee. I was still going to hang out with him and the whole grain rep is cadre the other day. Something that's fueling this current manuscript is Fox and Sun's coffee and Diamond Crowns cigars. Diamond Crown cigars are incredible.

But what was we going to say? Oh, no, Chicago. He's got a vinyl car. culture that goes deep. I mean, it was around even when I was a teenager. And if you go to some of these record shops, a lot of them have, like, kitschy stupid stuff.

Like, oh, here's, you know, like, an action figure of Iggy Pop and some other faggot shit. But they'll have a lot of old vinyl and you can find shit like the original motion picture soundtrack to Robocop on vinyl and stuff.

Stuff that's just kind of like awesome that even if you don't spin it particularly often. But I had, it definitely makes a difference, man. I had a fairly good vinyl collection that got stolen at one point, but

one of my favorite, one of my favorite things I had on vinyl was the Return to the Living Dead soundtrack. That was great on vinyl. Sounded so good. That's a great soundtrack, man. You got the 45 grave and shit. Yeah. And that's a great movie.

That movie is punk as fuck. And it's the quintessential 1985 movie too. I love it also because it's a big middle finger to George A. Romero who's like some hippie faggot like Stephen Queen. Dan O'Banyan is like, fuck you. This is punk rock. Zombies are punk rock.

Then at the end, what happens? It's like, hey, call us a number if if, you know, this horrible gas, I remember what it's called. It gets loose. It was also funny. The U.S. Army just sends like a new. Yeah. Yeah, it's

hilarious. Yeah. But so they nuked the spot. They took the spot. They knew the spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is exactly what they would do. You know, uh, no, it's, uh, well, it's also too, it's, it's horror comedy done right. Because it's actually a gory movie and it does have, uh,

it does have some creepy suspense, but it, uh, no, it's great. And the guy, uh, the guy who plays suicide,

like the big buff guy with the mohawk. He died young sadly, but he was a Chicago guy, I think, and he, he was in Friday of 13th, part five, which is one of the best Friday of the 13th,

because it's like this shamelessly sleazy, uh, it dropped in 85, it dropped in 85 as well. So, I mean, I was post-grind-outes era, but it was kind of like still the last grind-outs movie because it was just like so seedy.

I have the repo man soundtrack on vinyl. That's awesome. Yeah, Repelman is great. There's an incredible... I think it dropped in 2002 or 2003. One of the early sort of special edition criterion type DVDs. and they talk to Teller, you know,

who's the father of the neutron bomb, which is fascinating, because, you know, the neutron bomb's a plot device in repo man. Ripple man's a great Cold War movie. And he's got Tracy Walter. His guy's like, you know, Jen wean was a fig.

That, that soundtrack is fire. man. The lead track, I think it's Pablo Picasso by the young lover. Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole unlike you.

Yeah, Repelman another flick that's punk as fuck is Buccaroo Bonsai. Like his incredible movies like this got made. I mean, and granted, they weren't big movies, but they were put out by real studios. They had real budgets. Like Buccaru Bonsai is probably

brilliant. It's I remember at the at the at the Pelwaukee theater

which was kind of like up in Northbrook we had the Eden was in the last movie palaces

the Pelwaukee was kind of one of the last grindos theaters but it was a little bit

west of us and yeah they showed they had Buckaroo Banzai and The Last Dragon is a double feature. I remember that vividly. The Last Dragon is this horrible movie where it's

Oh yeah. It's like disco black people. Yeah, you remember like doing kung fu and shooting lasers and stuff. Catch a bullets with your teeth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's some, yeah, like some Remo William's shit. You know what movie I was thinking about recently?

You know what movie I was thinking about recently? The movie I've been thinking about recently. is Night of the Comet. That was a good movie. Yeah, that's an unusual film, too, because even more so than Return to Living Dead, there's comedic aspects to it, but

at certain points, it definitely, like, leans into horror. Definitely, yeah, all the movies were, like, born a nuclear anxiety. But to bring it back a second, no, I didn't know there was a Buck Rubanzai comic book.

I know some dude, dude, he wrote a it was endlessly delayed and then finally he wrote a novel because you know at the end of Buckaroo Bonsai it says there's this whole mythology that wasn't

the guy who worked on chainsaw massacre, whatever his name is Kit Carson something, but there's some dude just kind of like cult movie royalty who worked on Buckaroo Bonsai and he thought that it would pop So at the end, it says, you know, coming soon, Bukhru Banzai against the World Crime League.

And there's this whole deleted intro to the director's cut where they talk about Hanui Zahn, who's the boss of the World Crime League killed Bukuru Banzai's parents and stuff. But anyway, one of these guys, he wrote this whole sort of like high concept. novel that was supposed to be the sequel to Buccaro Bonds. It apparently was awful and it was like really badly received. I didn't know there's an actual comic put to print, but I I'm out of a loop with some

pop culture aspects, even like cult type stuff. The uh, no, it's awesome. I, that's awesome that it, the comic coincided with the movie. Um, the comics I was really

into like my older brother, He was big into Spider-Man and the Punisher. I was into Dark Horse Comics. They did this dope fucking comic of The Terminator. That's before like Schwarzenegger being his faggett self, like ruin the franchise. This is like before T2 came out,

which was a shit movie. So it had sort of that dark edginess and sort of Cold War apocalyptic motif, the original. I'd read the Terminator comics and Vince Locke, you know, does all the cannibal corpse art. He did this comic called Dead World that was really, really raw.

And that wasn't a dark horse brand, I don't think, but, or a dark horse title, but I used to buy that off the shelf. And like I said at the top at an hour, I was never a huge Ninja Turtles guy,

but I liked a, I liked fugitoid, which was dope and melting pot. the Mirage Studio stuff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, comics were... I'm some things that bums me out. Not just because the MCU is the... The MCU is the fucking gayest thing

since the Republican Party. But it seems that comics have really suffered. And, you know, on the one hand, like, don't get me wrong. I mean, it's a, speaking of technology of sort of undermining the purity of the medium, as we were talking about music. I, I dig that, you know, you can, you can animate your own stuff now when there's not the same barriers to entry, but it seems, granted, I'm not like perusing comic bookshops, but it seems, it seems like independent comics,

don't have the same sort of creative you know impetus behind them they used to you know Cerberus the art work was good stuff too

Sims Dave Sims he spun awful too much late in the game into sort of his pet grievances about you know how feminists suck and which yeah fine they do

but it's, you know, but at peak, Cerberus was dope. Yeah, the nom was a good comic. I read it sometimes. And the, there was a, there was, yeah, no, the nom was dope. Oh, those old, uh, it was in the spirit, though, those old war comics, which were pretty fireman. And, um, weird war tales was dope. That was an irregular series, and it often entailed, uh, Nazi,

zombies which were always timely and uh there was um yeah the 80s uh the 80s uh the 80s were a mixed bag because you had some you had some really really creative stuff like

dark horse and then you also had like idiots like Alan Moore like who are these like men children who are like you know I'm gonna like convey like all my serious politics to comic books it's like bro you have no take you're an idiot you're a fucking child and like Stop pretending that you're going to make like Spider-Man

Egy, you're a faggot. But that was a... But the medium can have merit. I mean, I... But it's like everything else. The whole, the only reason the comics were cool is because if you're like a 12 or 13-year-old kid and he picked up something like Dead World

or he picked up a comic that was historically coded, like the nom. Like, it was actually like intelligent stuff that was age-appropriate. There shouldn't be like 50-year-old. old men, like, obsessing over comic books. Or are these, like, faggots, like, endlessly arguing

or we're like, oh, the new GTEs, whoa. I'm like, I'm sure it is, but you're like a 50-year-old man. Like, what do you go fuck? You know, it's like, get your fucking head out of your ass. Did, um, I, uh, well, let me ask you about this. Um,

obviously in the early 90s, something really happened to music that was really fucked up. Do you think Lala, do you think Lala, do you think Lala Paloosa had a lot to do with that. Just driving music into the into like corporate corporate hell. I mean, the weird thing that happened

like people have like a fucked up idea. I'm not saying you do, but every idiot music journalist and now every like cotton creator is like they like yeah, everybody was like listening to Warrant and Poison and then Nirvana changed everything. It's like you're fucking idiot. It's like Wax tracks around in like the early 80s.

James addiction changed everything. Faith no more. Yeah. Yeah. And the first James record. James was touring the sunset. They were playing a Sunday trip in 85, 86. They were touring nationally in 87.

And even if you don't like James addiction, like nothing shocking, fucking changed everything. This idea that in 1991, like, we were all listening to Poison. And then Kurt Cobain, who's like this genius, like changed everything. Like, that's fucking retarded. I mean, I got, I don't know, man, the early 90s, there really was something of a punk comeback. I mean, that's why when me and a couple of the fellas, you know, like last summer, we went to the murder junkies, played reggies. And, like, Murrell actually talked to us for a minute, which was dope. He's, he's like a very cool individual.

You know, he, like, let us take some photos. But he's like, yeah, he's like, you know, we always play Chicago and Detroit because, you know, the fans were. always great, we're really well received and stuff. You know, and so I'm like, I'm like how nuts was it, you know, back when the Eragon was like really the iragon. He's like, oh man, he's like, yeah, he's like, he's like Clark and Belmont outside of Alphabet City. He's like, that was the only, that was the only, in the early 90s, I mean,

or he met, he's like, that was the only place that felt like the the 1970s again. You know, there was a real dynamism and stuff. and I, you know, I, there was some intense creativity coming out of the early 90s, man. And that's the last time, that's the last time there was a real radio culture and stuff for good and for ill. You know, and what really shook on the music industry, it wasn't this, like, faggot garbage, like Nirvana. And it was the fact that people really did revolt and, like, tape trading culture, whether we were to heavy metal or whether you're into punk or whether you were into truly indie stuff like a lot of stuff wax tracks was selling or whether we were into hip hop you know people genuinely were saying like

fuck the music industry i i'm into what i'm into and that's what's you know that's what's playing at live venues and you know my homies are like giving me tapes of and stuff you know so i thought that was cool i mean admittedly that's you know like 9182 it's when i was like a 16-year-old kid. So maybe my perspective is skewed. Yeah. But,

I mean, music in the 80s was largely crap and too. You know, it's not like the 80s had great music and then suddenly then went to shit. No, go ahead.

Well, there's always a band that changes things. And like, um, like, there, it was no coincidence

that after guns in appetite for destruction started getting big, that poison dropped, like, the makeup. and they started looking like a country, you know, like a country band and started writing like country type of ballads and things like that. And then Jane's Addiction came along.

And even the Cures disintegration album like went mainstream at the same time like Jane's addiction was was hitting. And it just that was what turned everything. I mean, James also. Well, I'll tell you, there's two bands and I think Dave Navarro is like an obnoxious shithead, but his. side project deconstruction that dropped I think in 92 that's a that's a fucking great like very proggy rock album and

what band I was really into in high school was King's X and they were actually on Mega Force record it was mostly the harmonies Kings X was a great band the harmonies the um he didn't play in a 12 string bass

um the the fact that there guitar player is just like in an on another fucking planet I saw them play in a in a in a in a in a like a college kind of room at university of south florida and Tampa and they opened for living color and that whole night was just like absolutely nut yeah no living color had some interesting jams um but my point is well so i just mentioned billy corgan first of all billy corgan is like a total liar that that dude just like everything that guy says is like a lie for his like tough guy like stories

He was like, yeah, I grew up in Chicago, my dad was dealing coke and blah, blah, blah. He's fucking liar. But also, he wasn't part of that, like, wax tracks Maloo. He was, like, this corny guy playing, like, safe music for kids that, because he wanted to be, like, you know, Mr. Top 40. The whole thing about rock and roll that I'm always coming back to, the regime hates rock and roll, because rock and roll is for the white, the dangerous rebel white underclass, what gangster rap was the black folks.

So any time rock and roll jumps off, it's rock and roll is not cool. Listen to Kurt Cobain, who goes around saying that Axel Rose is a sexist and you've got to feel bad about yourself and be a pussy. Or, you know, don't, don't listen to King's X or don't listen to Faith anymore. or don't listen to Pantera.

You know, listen to that. That right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Don't listen to that. Like, listen to Kurt Cobain, talk about how he wants you to reap him because he's, like, a male feminist. You know, don't listen to Elvis.

Don't listen to Eddie Cochran. Don't listen to that Richie Valins. Don't listen to the Big Bop or listen to Bob Dylan to say, like, you're all horrible racists who framed with a hurricane. I'm a faggot. You know, I mean, this is all very clear. You know, that's why it's a joke on people like, you know,

I don't know like the Beatles, but, you know, they changed everything. I'm like, the Beatles were in sync of 1960. And then they got rebranded as, no, this is cool. Elvis isn't cool. Eddie Cochran's not cool. Well, notice how, what was punk? I mean, look at it like this. That's why it's such a joke when you get these like zoomers.

Like, don't be wrong. I think zoomers are dope. But you get this like normie cody of them. They're like, you know, punk is about trans rights and not, you know, not being a privileged weight male. It's like, bro, the whole point of punk is that rock and roll is back. Guy like Sid Vicious wore swastikas on their brando jackets and covered Eddie Cochran because they're like, we hate Pink Floyd, we hate the Beatles, this is rock and roll.

What did, uh, what did, what did, what did Johnny Ramon say? Punk is right wing, you know, so, so you're saying it's not you, punk isn't Sid Vicious. punk isn't Johnny Thunders. Punk isn't Johnny Ramon. It's like with some like Zoomer kid, went to Berkeley says it is. But it was, it was also,

it was also like white street kids and junkies like the New York dolls. Yeah. Well, that's also too, like what, like bands like the dolls and like the sweet,

like they, that's what informed the sunset strip. I mean, that's why I'm a big Hamoy, Henry Rock's guy. And I'm into more than anything, man. like people think of, you know, like we talked about. People are like, some big, like heavy metal guy.

I'm not, man. I'm into, like, Henry Rocks. I like the dolls. They like Johnny Thunders. I'm into fucking slees shit. You know, like, that's what's cool, man. That's rock and roll. And that, that was definitely, you know, heavily punk influenced.

That's its soul, you know, and its soul. I mean, don't get me wrong. I, I love stuff like agnostic front as well, you know, and I love rock against communism. I was just, I was just, I mean, Skullhead is one of my very favorite bands, you know, but that, um, but it's, uh, it's very, very calculated. And it's, I don't know why people don't see through that, man. It's like, look, the, the reason why you're supposed to be into like pussy music is because, uh, anytime rock and roll emerges, it's, I mean, it's the same as anything else. I mean, in, in the eyes of the regime and the censors, rock and roll is

brando jackets and rebel flags and real rebellion. Like, the experience. exploited one of my very favorite bands. And, like, they exploited is a perfect combination of, you know, like, hardcore punk, uh, and, uh, and, uh, like the decaying glitter, like, you know, glam and sleeves and stuff, uh, you know, and they, they were, they were an are unashamedly, like, fucking pro white, man. What, yeah, and what's funny is, like, the guys my age who, um, were like, if, if we have, like, the same politics, there's two bands that we always, have in common that we really liked

the exploited and bad and bad brains for some reason those two bands yeah bad brains is uh yeah the guy for yeah yeah yeah no bad brains is awesome Taylor just said uh vinyl was a great show yeah really was and fascinatingly Andrew Dice Clay

was incredible on that show he was only in one episode uh but no that that show is great and the part the casting was incredible too and the part where the one dude, the the Italian dude who's kind of like the cool guy at the record label Contra is sort of like the neurotic

Jewish guy. He goes into CBGBs and the dolls are playing and he's like what the fuck is this? Because he realizes everything's changing. You know, yeah, that show was awesome. I was super bummed when that didn't last and one of the things that was cool about it too is because it was actually one of the things I held against Scorsese

because he was my growing up he was my favorite filmmaker but he sort of, he pulled a Francis Coppola and started putting his name to garbage like the retarded which is probably the worst we ever made other than the untouchables

but you can tell vinyl actually had his creative stamp on it and that was a great show man and you know and you could tell it was written and acted by people who had a passion for the era

and the music of the era and then yeah like nobody watched it I'm like how is this show being canceled when like garbage like the sopranos

has hailed as some like brilliant fucking shit I go ahead yeah no vinyl you know there were things in vinyl a lot of things

people didn't pick up like I mean you could like they would talk about he would talk about record contracts and you would see how the record companies were just absolutely

fucking the bands on like the percentages and everything like that I mean, it was, it was real. That, that show seemed real to me. No, and people also don't understand these guys, these guys like Johnny Thunders, even like Iggy Pop, and even, you know,

these guys didn't make any money. You know, they found ways to monetize, and like, that's why Thunders, what's fascinating is, some of the, there's early G&R bills, I'm talking like 1986, where they opened for Johnny Thunders and stuff. You know, and Thunders, until he got really sick, I mean, Thunders have done method on this whole life, which is fine.

I mean, I, I'm constantly pushing bag on people. Like, oh, it's terrible. You're still addicted. It's like, but also, you know, Thunders, he quit illicit drugs. You know, he became a father. He, uh, returned to his Catholic faith. And he was, uh, he was touring all the time to make money. But he, you know, right when he died, he, he'd, he'd.

he'd just gotten diagnosed with leukemia, which back then was like a death sentence, adult leukemia. So, I mean, even if he died in a odd circumstances, but whatever, but the point being, when he died, uh,

had he lived, had he lived to be an old guy, he would have been good because, uh, you know, he would have, he would have been elderly in like the early 2000s.

When file sharing was, was, was just popping. he would have been able to finally make money on royalties and stuff and his kids would have been good. But as it was in the late 80s, he was like touring all the time because he's like, why am I going to record so some parasite record company can get rich off of me? You know, like at least if you tour, yeah, you're not going to get rich touring, but

you're going to get decent living as long as you can handle it physically. And at least like money's going into your pocket, you know, I mean, it's, ridiculous, you know. Well, also, too, like a lot of this bullshit, like Ace Fraley, I mean, I'm a huge A's Fraley fanatic, I mean, I got contempt for the Kiss brand, but Ace is fucking white power, but I was really bummed when he died, but

his autobiography is actually pretty good. You know, like, I read it when I was in Oregon last year. And he, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, he's like,

don't get me wrong. He's like, Bill a coin, who ended our merchandising. He's like, he treated us right. So he's like, I was making money

and derivatives from merchandising. And he's like, I was like, car, so I always had a nice new car and had a nice house. But he's like, I wasn't getting rich

all the Kiss records. You know, he's like, uh, that's not how it worked. You know, he's like, that's one that's like,

that's when it's like, it became like a bullshit brand anyway. But he's like, when he'd watch these promos of like, rock stars, like, living in mansions and, you know, having like 10 girls around them and like a fleet of Ferrari.

He's like that was cap. That wasn't happening. That was fucking Hollywood. Well, too. That's like thinking like John Wayne's a real cowboy, you know. The two Jewish guys for the ones that made all the money in that band. I mean, I had a friend who bought a Ferrari off of Paul Stanley. And I mean, Paul Stanley had like a fleet of them.

So it's like, I mean, 100%. Well, it's also, too. I mean, Stanley, what's his name? That gay dude who wrote all the Desmond Childs. You know, he, in like the 70s, early 80s, he wrote all these, like, disco hits. Well, like, that one, like, he was, he was Paul Stanley. I remember him like, Paul Stanley's obviously incredibly gay. You know, and it's like, that's why it's like a joke.

I was like promo shots where he's like, yeah, look at me with all these girls because I'm not gay. I like pussy. It's like so on the nose and corny because he's just like a dork. but the dude's also like the gayest I never lived so he and like his buddy Desmond Childs Paul Stanley's hanging around studio 54 every weekend you know

doing like circa 978 so he clicks up with Desmond Childs and that that obnoxious like disco, what is it like I was made I was made for loving you like that that was like Kisses biggest radio hit that yeah okay that was Desmond Child wrote, produced

did everything on that jam and A's said that when they called him in the studio he's like, look, I'm not playing that. He's like, first of all, it's gay and it sucks. And he's like, secondly, he's like, I'm playing like the same two chords for a little, literally like 10 minutes. He's like, I'm gonna, he's like,

my hand's gonna fall off. You know, he's like, okay, I'm done. I'm done. But that, you know, Stanley was like a music industry guy who could also like perform his frontman. Like, that was his deal. And, uh, like,

Hyme Witt was his, like, dorky, like, friend he brought along for the ride, basically. You know, like I, There were a lot of Simmons, aka Heimowitz, that dude is the anti-rock and roll. He's like the most unrued man where we lived. There were a lot of bands back then that chased the, chase whatever was happening that day, put out the disco hit and everything.

I mean, even the Rolling Stone, some girls album had like a taste of disco to it and everything. You know, that's why I respect the band like Queen is. Queen just always did what they were doing and they weren't going to chase, you know, like the disco or anything like that. No, and that's, uh, no, exactly.

But it's also why, I mean, to me, the stones jumped the shark early. Like, I don't, I mean, first of all,

people like, you know, first of all, it's pathetic because rock and roll is an expiration date. And people like, no, like, Mick Jagger's like 80 and he's still got a little energy.

I'm like, you don't understand, man. I don't, I don't care of the dude's Superman. why do I want to see 80-year-old men put on some cover band version of their 20-year-old selves

that's fucking retarded. It's like, do you go to a strip club to see like 80-year-old women who are like 1960s Playboy Playmates take their clothes off? You pay to see like the 1975 Raiders, like surviving members, like play a scrimmage.

Oh no, like so why do you want to see like obese motley crew or 80-year-old Mick Jagger like do that bullshit. Like it's like doing it wrong. And like I don't know why like this doesn't compute to normies. Like when I went like when when you were in high school did you and your friends go see like 80 year old men who were like 1930s big band acts and get like all excited like I'm sure you didn't like I didn't either. Like why would that be cool? I think what people do know. Yeah. I think I think I went to see Joe Walsh, but I think he was like still 35 years old at the time. when uh uh

i remember the stones steel wheels tour when i was in like junior high and that's when the stones were in their 40s and everybody made fun of them like these guys are goof they're too old to do this bullshit and like now it's like bro like you know like the 800 pound like 70 year old version of vince neal is like playing with random guys over like recorded music and lip syncing it's so awesome it's like the fuck is wrong

with you. Like, like, what, what is it all cool about that? Or like, why, why is that, like, interesting? Or like, hey, you know, Guns and Roses is back together, but they're all like 70 now and there's no Izzy Stradlin and they're like bragging about being sober. Like, like, I'm not saying, like, doing cocaine and being an alcoholic is cool, but that is kind of what rock and roll is. And frankly, unless your name's Merle Allen or Lemmy Kielmeister, after you're like 39, you shouldn't be doing this anymore because he was going to get a fucking idiot yeah lemmy did it until the day I mean he was literally

doing concerts up until like two weeks before he died well he's also like I saw him I saw I saw I saw motor at a bunch of times mostly like decades back when Lemmy was you know like in his 50s but he's the exception who proves the rule he's like this grizzled old dude who just like was

rock and roll it wasn't like corny because that's like what he was you know plus lemmy also So he was like a An unrepentant speed freak Alcoholic dude who like lived on the road He wasn't like, I'm like Mr. like sober now when you know I'm a fucking jig off

But you know let me do this like cover band version of myself when I was 30 It's like dude lived that shit You know like uh But again too Same thing like Merle Allen Like when I meant Murrell Uh

He's like wearing a pair of vans with like Ed Gain like Airbrushed on him and like some board shorts and uh like uh like an Andy Warhol shirt of like Manson

and uh he's got some like 30 year old got chick who's like grinding on him but like he didn't seem like corny it's like that's just like what the dude's about that's like what he's into and it's not like an affectation you know but that again that's like the exception that proves the rule you know um

plus two like uh the dude on the mic, P. P. P. Duvay. I'm in the minority. My favorite murder junkies era is Mike denied. I know he had trouble falling out. A Mike denied his habit killed him.

You overdose my heroin eventually. But other than the Mike denied error, I think Pee Pee Pee Dovey holds it down the best. And they're like, they sounded great, man. They like blew the fucking roof off that place, you know? So there was that, too. at my age,

it takes a lot to give me to a show. It takes a lot to give me into a fucking mosh pit. And, like, I jump in the pit with them youngsters because that's the energy was just there. Like, I regretted it the next day. I woke up like black and flu. But point being, you know, again, that's the exception. And everybody's different, man.

And so you see what are the, I mean, admittedly, I'm an old guy and I'm a chase soldier the apocalypse. I'm not getting like lewd on any females, but let alone like scoping out young girls, but probably like the sexiest woman I see regularly is like 35 years old. And like she's just got her, and like, you know, and she's something else, you know, as the old lyric goes.

But again, that's the exception. Like, okay, this women who peak in their 30s because they just got it. And, you know, there's dudes you can fucking, this dudes who are still like full of fucking jizzum in the rock and roll way when they're like 60. But there's a 99.99% chance. Like, you're not that guy.

So, like, don't even try it. Oh. Yeah. Let me say here. Behardt is like, didn't ACDC just go back? But it's not like ACDC. like, it's like 90 year old Angus Young and like oxygen and like these three other random guys. We're like, yeah, we're ECDC and we're 90 and we're going to lip sync over recorded music so that a bunch of goy slobs can like go berserk for no reason with their ugly wives.

It's like all like the Abbott brothers are dead. I mean, don't get me wrong. I think Rex of Brown is actually kind of a class act. I really wish he wasn't fucking with Pantera anymore. but like pantera now it's like Phil Anselmo and random guys I mean it's called like the Phil Anselmo band You know

I mean why I want to see Phil Anselmo at like my age You know Pretend to be 20 But without moving around a lot because he's old Like what's cool about that? Like again I don't Plus anymore man I mean like I said

I mean admittedly I I can't I mean I can't imagine Go into a show and it'd be in like when I was like 16 years old. I mean, first of all, I don't really go to shows anymore unless it's something like the murder junkies at venue like Reggies.

You know, I want to... If Sony wants to get me out to a live venue, I'm going to want it to be a lounge where it's dark. I can sit in a comfortable seat. Ideally, I can smoke a cigar or some cigarettes. I can drink bushmills. And it's something chill.

Like, you know, like something properly chill for a lounge environment because I'm a fucking old guy. you know i and if i am going to go to a rock show it'll be like last year my birthday like some of the young bloods took me out to this nsbm show which was dope you know and there was like some old skinned dudes on deck which was cool like i met i met the max resist guys they were on deck and they were cool guys but you know it was a bunch uh like argos slant or old ed's too but other than that it was you know it was a bunch of like 20-something cats you know um who cost suited though

the lineup of these bands. It was great. But that was also, I could sit at the, it was up and around, like, beach. I could sit at the bar and, like, drink my bushmills. And there's a bunch of, like, our friends. They were like, oh, you're Thomas. Like, I like, I like your stuff you do with, you know, Picanona.

You're over two. And I'm like, yeah, you know, bet that's cool. But, you know, I'm not, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to go. And some of your bag went to Kraftwerk, and that was dope. Because craftwork and still, they still got it. They still got it, but that's like its own thing, you know. But the last thing I want to do is sit there and enjoy.

It's go to some crowded. Yeah, last thing I want to do, you know, in my 50s is go to some freaking like crowded ass of any you, you know, and pretend it's, you know, like 1989 or something, like a fucking jig off. Wait, you know what's, you know what's interesting? Like there was, there was a point like in the late 80s where you could go to a bar in Fort Lauderdale, like literally a bar, and see the original Blue Oyster cult playing. Because they were past their prime.

Yeah. Yeah, they were past their hits and everything like that. But also the whole retro circuit of let's get Blue Oyster cults and sticks and all these guys who aren't selling albums anymore and package them together and put them in an arena when it's not where it's 100 degrees. outside and everything. So you could see things in a bar like this. That just doesn't happen anymore.

No. And also those bands, those, those bands like Blue Easter cult, they, they built this like niche following by being touring bands and stuff, you know, like that was their roots. They weren't,

they weren't these guys who got big through MTV or something and then, you know, got, got signed. Well, that's one of the biggest, one of the reasons, and people push, I mean for this, especially Xers, but

like the Van Halen brothers are like the biggest shitheads in the world because it's like they had like the biggest rock band in history, the history of this planet. And they're like, we're going to fire the greatest frontman of all time, hire Sammy dog penis, Hagar, play like the lamest dad rock ever. And like wreck our legacy just so like

for what? You know, it's like, just like brand yourself, like the Van Heelan Brothers band and like go play small venues. I swore. I obviously, I'm like Van Heelan has an expiration date, but. I swore the first Van Hegel song I heard was a TV commercial. I thought it was like something they put out for a fucking TV, they made for a TV commercial. Well, that's like what's bizarre. It's like, okay, I, but I mean, that goes, it was to show you like, Eddie Van Heelan was always some, like, retard.

Like, he didn't get it. you know what I mean like say you want with David Lee Roth being an egotiac and kind of like a shithead but I mean that's rock and roll you don't and I don't think people want to live that understand how huge Van Halen was they were literally like

the biggest band that ever existed so saying like we're gonna nuke this so that we can we can play we can play dad rock elevator music with some curly-haired idiot who talks about how we can't drive this

speed limit. You know, I mean, the Van Halen brothers will always have like zero respect for my mind. As much as David Lee Roth was like a, um, just a total. I mean, but shit that he did with like, like he decided, oh, he would wake up one day and be like, oh, I, I want to study what it's like being a samurai. So he'd moved to Japan and like study like study shit for four years.

You know, that's the kind of shit you do with your money when you get, when you make a bunch of money and you get old, instead of going up on stage and fucking trying to keep reliving bullshit, you know? Well, that and it's, yeah, I, well, it's also, too, like the first, uh, even, uh, even, uh, Eidem and Smile is an incredible record. And I mean, Steve Vi is like one of the greatest of all times. And like, Steve I actually is cool. Like, he's, he's still married to his wife, you know, when he, when he aged out of rock star, shit. He just got to settle into being like a virtuoso, which he is. You know, but the those

and even skyscrape of the follow-up. That's underrated as fuck. There's an underrated Roth album, but those like David Lee Roth videos too, like with the, with the Picasso brothers. Like that stuff's hilarious. Like, like that stuff from there are not the one.

Like I'm trying to show that to younger guys. I don't think they fully understand how funny that shit was. But you know, Daily Rod's like the double package, man. And the, uh, I consider, uh, yeah, eat them and smile and skyscraper. They're basically like what, what a healing album should have been after that.

But then it's like, no, we, Van Heumper is going to be like autistic figures. Like playing Dead Rock with, with, with, with,

with, with, it's like, okay, man, like you, you, you, you,

you, man, like, nobody likes that shit. Yeah, there's like this whole, but yeah, I mean,

the whole thing, uh, there's this whole virtuoso thing now that Viya even even Momstein momstein seems to not be as much of a dick in his old age as he was when he was young and so like him and Vi'll do stuff where they'll go up on stage and like you know duel and everything like that you know there's a lot of videos on YouTube of that yeah yeah no I was never into Invey Melstein because I always thought he was just like a Eurodouche but I and I uh Satriani I respected his chops even though I was always a bassman

and not a guitar guy, but a Steve Vy was a class act. And one of the, Passion and Warfare was a fucking great album. I bought that on tape when I was in like eighth or ninth grade. And, because it got,

because the lead track, off Passion Warfare was the audience is listening. And they got heavy play on Headbanger's Ball. And it's a, it's a totally instrumental album. But I, but from start to finish it, It'll, like, blow your fucking head off.

And, yeah, that record and, uh, Osric Tenicles, which is a guilty pleasure of mine, they're this instrumental, uh, proggy British band, uh, that I was really into for a minute as a teenager. They, they had, other than Osric Tenicles, a couple records they had in early 90s and, uh, and, uh,

Passion of Warfare by Vai that does the only purely instrumental records ever listened to whether than you obviously classical which is my first passion but I don't mean to be abrupt I got to go get my haircut

I got a heat I got to get today and I need a BLT I got a bunch of shit I got to do too yeah yeah and I'm going to Milwaukee tomorrow and then I got to emce this big party and by the way too

like I shouted this out in our group chat to Pete and the fellas as well as on my Signal channel. Unless you've submitted to me and a petition for a waiver, if you're not coming to my party, you fuck pigs. And like from now until the end of your life, you'll be known as like a pig raper. I just want to,

you know, just keep that in mind. It's not up to me. That's just the rule. So, yeah, thanks for doing this, man.

And thank you, we'll be back. All right, thank you, Pete. I'll hit you up by text. I try eating stuff. Yep. So I'll see you later.

Take care. Bye. Boy, howdy.