The Pete Quiñones Show - Defining Neo-Conservatism, Cabinet Picks, Etc. w/ Pete, Thomas777, Stormy Waters, and J Burden on Astral Flight Simulation

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

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Dunbiog, Kush Faragea. Welcome back, everybody. I have reconvened the panel because there's a lot to get to. Thomas, Stormy and Pete Kinones are back. Now look, I'm going to skip all the intro stuff. You guys know who these guys are anyway. I just want to stress, check

the show notes. I'm going to put links to all this guy's content in my show notes every time they're here. And we have a new special guest today who I've been wanting on my show for a while so it's great to have you here today jay burdon joins me from the jay burdon show yeah thank you so much for having me astral obviously i uh you and i have been talking for a while uh much less on air than off but i'm happy to be here especially among such esteemed company yeah of course of course so um i look

forward to the continuation of this conversation uh last episode we we got the ball rolling And, you know, Trump, so Trump wins the presidency. We declare it's a victory for the right no matter how you slice it. And already I'm seeing, I mean, I guess this actually started even before he won the election. Already I'm seeing people shouting him down from the right for his choices, for his cabinet picks. And people are calling these guys neocons, among other things. They're calling them Israel Firster, which is really just another name for a neocon. And I thought it might be good for us to give an actual measured sober assessment from the right, from Trump's right, of his cabinet, of the people he's picking.

What the prospects are, we think, for these guys being favorable to us and our goals, at least to some extent. I guess we could juxtapose that by saying at least not as harmful to just regular people as a Kamala presidency would have been, which I think. should be the, you know, the bare minimum. And then also this term neocon that gets thrown around a lot. What does that mean? And is it still a meaningful term? Can we still use that term and call people that? So I wanted to, Thomas and Stormy were talking before we went on air. So I think I want to go to Stormy first and then Thomas. And then we'll really, I'd like to really flesh this cabinet out. necessarily like individually like person by person but just in a general sense so um so we got these guys in doing it person by person i mean just some of the conversations that pete have had

along with along lines of the people in department of justice is a lot less black pilling than people realize yeah oh there are there's a couple guys specifically by name that we need to talk about specifically but not every single person it's not just mac gates well well he's a special case because it just came out. It's not just Matt Gates. There's some real heavy hitters. Yeah, but I think he stepped down though, just today.

Do you see that? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, he did, which didn't surprise me at all. He was a bad pick, but we'll get into that later. All right, yeah, let's hang on one second because Stormy was saying something. I personally use the term neocon because I consider it

a pejorative. I use it insultingly, it's not necessarily it's not necessarily equivalent to Zionists, but I use it in the same way. I think Stormy doesn't like using that term. Stormy, do you mind starting us off here? Yeah, when it comes to like neocons, what Thomas and I were talking about before we kicked off is that not only is it being misused, it's an excuse word.

right so when Martin Armstrong or you know the Duran or all these other popular normally economic shows or geopolitical shows and even in any of the domestic ones right like the Dan Bon Geno types when they use Neocon they're just scared to say Jew right like that's what it is like Martin Armstrong was the basically what happened in Ukraine. Martin became a victim of. He knows firsthand. Everybody knows Julian Assange,

but do you know that probably the most important guy in the history of finance in the United States spent 11 years in solitary confinement without ever having to go to trial? Right? The most accurate financial forecaster in the history of tradable securities. Never got a trial and spent 11 years

in solitary confinement because he was a victim of these neo-con oligarchs as he says. He's a boomer. He sees what we see, but they're scared to say it. I know a lot of people like this, whether it be in finance or whether it be in business and industry, people know what's up and they're just really scared to talk about it, especially if they're older. So Neocon somehow has become the acceptable term for these people. And I think really we need to, when it's being used in those cases to force them to be accurate. Not only is it not really serving anyone to call them something a political philosophy that they don't actually have. So one thing I will say just briefly

is that is someone who is not primarily but largely active on YouTube. The term neocon is one of a handful of euphemisms you can use to say something that is, If you set it directly and clearly, you'd lose your platform. And so, Sormi, I am sympathetic to your point more broadly. But in that specific case, like if I say things like, you know, the Jews did 9-11, I don't get a YouTube channel anymore. But if I say... I 100% agree with you.

So it's a tool, right? And I think you're 100% right to say there are a large number of people who don't see through the joke, right? They take it at face value. Your listeners don't. Exactly, that needs to be taken into account. But look, not every platform is as friendly as Twitter or apparently as some of the podcast platforms.

But anyway, back to you guys. Nobody should lose, just by the way, nobody should lose their platform. If naming them, if you're earning a living and you're doing good work and you're putting the word out, I'm not telling you that you have to name them, right? Don't risk your platform. That's not what I'm asking. Ready for huge savings? We'll mark your calendars from November 28 to 30th

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especially when I use it, it doesn't only refer to Jewish people. There are Christian people who were neocons, like John Bolton's the best example. But I was reading, I think it was in John Mears, Shimer's Israel lobby somewhere. I think that's where it was. He was distinguishing between Jewish neocons and Christian neocons by calling them Christian Zionists. So do you think that we need to make that like neocon refers to the Jewish ones and Christian Zionists refers to

the non-Jewish ones? Jewish ones that doesn't whether it's they care you know 50% of them care about a little state in the Middle East. The other 50% pretend to not care about the little state in the Middle East, but both of them care about the nation of Israel. If you see yourself as a, if your people are the nation, and there is not a physical, you know, the physical landmass does not really even matter for you in your paradigm and how you conceptualize yourself, the place you're in, and the people around you, then really it's just a dialectical game that the Jewish Zionists and anti-Zionists play back and forth, kind of cute. But when

it's Christians doing it, I think they absolutely need to own the term Christian Zionists. If you're going to be that way, you need to hang that albatross around their neck. Okay. I like that. I'm with you. All right, Thomas, thank you. Go ahead. We haven't clarified terms yet. Neo-conspirative actually means something.

It's a Cold War parent, like intellectual paradigm. Okay. Neersheimer is a good resource, but he's got blind spots, you know, like a lot of 20th century political theorists did. He came up through a certain academic culture that is really, really mired in like 20th century paradigms and methodologies that I don't think apply anymore. And that's why I think neolism is bullshit. It's this kind of like, it's, in Mirzheim's case, I don't think he's copping out. I think he actually believes that. But this idea that like those structural variables are what is this

positive and in power politics that's assinine, but you've got to understand the neogon paradigm because it relates to what's happening with the war on Russia. That's where neo-conservatism comes from. You know, and it's not, to understand

like the entire intellectual tendency, that is what passes for a right wing in America, you've got to understand quote, neo-conservatism, but it doesn't mean anything outside the Cold War because every quote, conservative is a neo-conservative. It's not like there's some like faction of like America firsters in a real sense or like Taftian conservatives

who are like the opposition and they're like fighting the control policy. Like Trump's trying to parlay that sensibility or that desire people have into a mandate. But that doesn't mean it exists. What neo-inservism was was when the Cold War kicked off again in earnest on the heels literally of the Soviet Union waging an open war on Israel. you know, Washington's response and more other things was the Jackson Vannock Amendment. Okay, we're going to punish the

Soviet Union for perceived abuses of the Jewish population there. Okay, the Soviets released a movie. Let me, I wrote it down, because I can never freaking remember this. It's, uh, yeah, it's secret and explicit. It literally took

footage from their Arabic U to, you know, the eternal Jew, and it was based as a that was like shown you know uh throughout the Soviet Union saying like you know the the Zionists the enemies of sovietism the enemies of the enemies of the Russian people and the several nationalities the enemies the soldiers of community of nations they are our ops that first last and always okay so all this is going on while Carter was trying to sustain de Tant okay so basically you had this

entire cadre of very active and engaged Jews who defected from the Democrats because they're like you're so often the Soviet Union and these people are our mortal enemies. You know, not just of America, but they're going to program us. You know, there was all kinds of crazy propaganda around this. And the Team B exercise, which was, which was technically called the competitive analysis exercise, that was commissioned by this guy, Albert Wollsterter, who was the descendant of these very wealthy cosmopolitan Jewish people

from the Hapsary Empire he corralled all these guys like Paul Wolfowitz, like David Frum, like Douglas Feefeith like all these guys and Rumsfeld who was kind of like the token goy among them who was then a big shot on the Ford administration

they're the ones who they're the ones who corralled the data saying that CIA is deliberately underestimating Soviet capabilities particularly strategic nuclear capabilities. This is generating a vulnerability gap. You know, we are losing the Cold War.

And in military terms, that was true, I think. But this was parlayed into this kind of, like, rabid anti-Sovietism. That's one aspect of neo-conservatism. Okay. The other aspect of these guys, like Leo Strauss and Alan Bloom, who basically, they took on this kind of, like, right-wing style.

They were, like, in favor of this kind of. kind of like aggressive militarism worldwide to promote liberalism and it kind of ripped out of people their sort of identitarian sensibilities and that was arbitrarily just kind of declared to be right wing by the media like how how being some like wilsonian on steroids who's also basically atroskiist who thinks that waging war on on all different civilizations it's a matter of national pride that kind of disabuse them of any sort of like ethnocultural or sectarian identity, how that's like right wing. I don't understand.

But that's what, you know, Bloom was the guy too who claimed and is the closing American mind, like, oh, what liberalism is and it's, you know, oh, it's this European stuff, like Nietzsche and Heidegger and, you know, it's cultural relativism. You know, so Bloom's old notion was, you know, we, and anything relating to race or denitarian sensibilities. It's relativism. And that's what liberals are into. So we've got to eradicate that and impose

this kind of like top down like race blind rationalism because that's conservative, which makes no sense whatsoever. It's transparent and it's hostility basically to like Central European kind of cultural like this kind of centrally being cultural mind. But that was like arbitrarily

declared to be like right wing. So if you're talking about conservatism in America like you're talking about that bullshit. okay so it's all like neoconservatism but again outside of the cold war it doesn't make any sense so yeah i feel you guys and forgive me for being long-winded on this but it's important i don't think it's just guys like you saying oh i can't i can't say jews i'm going to say neocon i think they're idiots and they don't they actually don't understand like the the heritage or providence of those terms they have like no idea what it means they think like kamala

harris is a marxist like they think that they think that people like me are liberal they think that They think that anybody who's like, they're anybody who says things they don't like but runs on a Republican ticket as a neocon, like they're just fucking, they're just fucking morons, I think. So to what degree do you think that this confusion stems from the last kind of big fight

in the conservative movement between the paleo-conservatives and the neoconservatives. Obviously, the neocons won out. But do you think that has anything to do with the confusion of, you know, vaguely right of center people that I think are icky and gross. I think part of it, I think that Batsy was an academic fight. I was talking to my friend about this who spends a lot of time at Hillsdale College. Like, the only true paleos, because, like, I was in college in the 90s,

you'd find, like, academic type guys who wrote for Chronicles, who were into Russell Kirk and Pip Buchanan and San Francis. But these guys had no, like, clout in Washington. Like, they had no power. You know, like, Buchanan was kind of like the one, like, tafty and conservative who managed to kind of, like, remain in the orbit of a couple administrations. But, like, when he got murked by Reagan's people,

like, his campaign, like, didn't go anywhere. I think it hurt Bush 41 when he carried the New Hampshire primary in 96, but, or not but Dole, I mean, like, in 96. but Dole was like a lame duck anyway. And, you know, I don't, he wasn't able to pull off what Wallace did, even though that's what he was trying to do. So I think in academic quarters, yeah, and I think among people that were somewhat sophisticated in these matters in those days, like, yeah, that mattered. But what was the number of me's throwing, like, who were the paleos in Washington? I mean, I guess some people be like, oh, Jesse Helms.

I don't, Jesse Helms did some Dixie Crad who became a Republican because of Johnson. You know, like, I don't, I don't think the Roanianianianianian is in Washington. Um, it, uh, you know, and like I, uh, the Fed, I mean, people who think that I'm being overly punitive or, or not characterized on this correctly. Okay, it's like, how did, how is it that after the Bush 41 administration, these people, like, got their way, like, 110% of the time and really doing, like, really insane things. Like, we can't abolish NATO. We got to repurpose it to attack Serbia for no reason because we hate the Ivins for reasons we can't articulate and everybody's like yeah cool like like that if there was some paleo faction that could not have happened people would have been like

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But the, you know, but this faction didn't exist in Washington. And that's one of the reasons I'll stop because I don't want to take up everybody's time, but that's why it's misguided when people, like, shit on Trump. Like, look, you're not in the game. You think that there's some, like, electoral way to fix things. Or, like, if you think there's, like, some imaginary regime that's potentially going to, like, appoint some, like, true America first guy is secretary of state, or some guy who's going to, you know, who's, like, father Copeland as, like, your secretary of the interior or something, like, that's retarded. So your only interest should be in the regime dying. which it's doing, you're only interested

being seceding from it, and your only interest in electoral beltway stuff should be people who are actively harming us and our allies in places like Gaza, Syria, and Russia. That's the only thing you should give a fuck about. Like, beyond age, man, I'm mad at Trump because I have a

gerbil in my ass, and this guy he nominated doesn't like my gerbil in my asshole, so this is bad. I mean, who gives a fuck? But yeah, sorry if that was too long. No, it's perfect. I think that's why were able to take a more measured perspective here, I hope, because we don't, we're not hanging all of our hopes on this guy. None of us, none of us stand to be devastated when he doesn't

fucking deliver on a laundry list of grievances that we have, because that's not, that's not how we relate to him. I also don't think, like, there's no right wing. I mean, I'm looking at this tweet right now, and this is someone who, I don't know if they support Trump, but this is an elected official from South Carolina. And she says, and she's the one who basically destroyed the citadel by saying, oh, we need women to go to the citadel.

Fuck you do. She goes, we support gay marriage and voted for the Respect for Marriage Act twice. However, if you think protecting women is discrimination, you are the problem. She's talking about like transgender's in women's bathroom. This has nothing to do with us. I mean, this is, we look at

people who support, gay marriage and vote for respect for marriage act twice as people who are just in line with the regime that has existed for 85 to 90 years. This is not right wing. And to try to pretend that it is, I mean, if this person, if they, by mistake, do something that would help our people, okay, fine. But that doesn't mean we're going to jump to their, you know, we're on their side for anything other than some mistake they may make that, you know, in some way benefits us in the long run. No, they're literally like crazy old cons like talking about like ass sucks. Like what the fuck is that? Like that's like mine's like crap. When guys, you know, say Trump isn't going to

deliver A, B, and C, all I want to say to them is like, well, you're a fucking retard for thinking that the president of the United States of America would ever cater to any of this. shit. Like, that's not, that's not what, what they're there for. So to, to connect the, the, uh, the neocon thing to Trump's current administration, um, the thing is the reason why it became a bad word and the only reason why it's even in the mouths of people who don't even know what a neocon is is because of the George W. Bush presidency and their legacy, uh, since then, which is like the biggest disaster of my fucking lifetime, I think, uh, which is saying a lot considering the COVID thing. Um, and some of these, um, and some of these.

people like John Bolton was still around in Trump's first term. So I think that some people, maybe on the left, are trying to smear him as a neocon, but even on the right, they're smearing them as neocons because they're pro-Israel. But part of the reason why it's to smear is they're trying to like say that it's business as usual from George W. Bush's presidency. I don't know how true that is. I don't know how much, how much consistency there is from then to now but like with somebody like mark rubio he seems pretty down the line with those guys but we're in like a whole new paradigm really now so well and i think this is something i can speak to because i'm a little bit younger than you guys and so you know growing up in the george bush era right the

ascendancy of you know this style of conservative politics you know after the end of the cold war I cannot stress how different the atmosphere is. Of course, those guys made, shall we say, very tepid, you know, motions to the concerns of the silent majority of Middle America. But it was very clear that's not what they cared about. And, you know, as someone who actually lives here, right, who's been in Red America my entire life, it's completely clear that this is a different, this is a completely different political atmosphere. And look, I think you're right, Astral. None of us were expecting Trump to ride in on a white horse and take us to based world, right?

It's so stupid, I feel like we don't even need to say it. But from the very basic level of, does this help us yes or no? Like, one, you could argue that even a Mitt Romney Republican would have been better than, you know, the Biden regime, just from the sheer perspective of I have to live here. But you take that another level and you're like, well, Trump is significantly better for someone who cares about the, you know, the white native population of this country than any other Republican, certainly in my life, and I would argue in many of yours as well. And so look, is he perfect?

No. Is he better? Yes. And if you can't accept that, right? You're just literally addicted to being a loser. You're addicted to how everything secretly is. you know, it's so over. And look, I'm not saying we need to look at this in, you know, a romantic way. We need to look at this in a way where we're denying the facts because, look, there are negatives

in Trump's cabinet. I don't think there is bad as Twitter will tell you. But, you know, we need to look at this in effectively, like, the net amount of power we're gaining, right? The net amount of good being done for our people. And it's significant, it's a significant improvement. and again, there's this kind of like retarded thinking of, like, viewing Trump as like, well, he's not Mussolini marching on Rome, you know? It's like, well, of course. No one fucking thought he was. And it's just an artificial straw man to make yourself look, you know, sort of like wiser than everyone. Like, oh, I knew it wasn't going to be that good. It's like, well, yeah, sure.

So did fucking everyone else. You know, it's, I find it very tedious. No. That's perfectly well said, especially. the net amount of gain. Go ahead, Thomas. I was just going to say, well, it's also, too, I mean, I'm, I'm a, I'm a 1% vanguardist, like, with 100% gas and no brakes.

But I acknowledge that, because to say, to Jay Burton's point, we do have to live here. Like, now, if you're not at least, like, tepidly right-wing or pro-white, you're viewed as, like, a huge pussy faggot or, like, a nerd or, like, some disengaged, old person. Like, the degree to which that is, like, literally a 180 from, like, the 90s. Like, people have, like, no idea about this, I guess, because they didn't link through it.

Like, people, like, fucking hated you if you were, like, pro-white in the 90s. They hated you. They, like, wanted you dead. Like, I'm not exaggerating. They looked at you, like, they looked at you, like, you basically, like, you were worse than, like, a child molester. Okay? And, like, now that's basically normal to think that way, at least in some watered down sense.

Like, that's, it's basically unprecedented in America outside of the war between the states era there to be like such a massive and total reversal in what is like normie opinion in like 30 years time it's totally fucking insane and so anybody

especially not gonna take it serious when it's like some like 22 year old kid like saying like Trump's a face of shit it's like bro you were sperm when I was having to like fucking avoid like half the hoods in proximity so I didn't get like killed by fucking Carol Blast. Like, fuck you.

You know, it's like I, the degree to which this is a complete Overton window shift is insane. And that can't be like negative, even if you're totally anti-regime like I am. So yeah, anybody who's, anybody who's driving cap about stupid

things such as the aforementioned is, like, somebody who need to tune out because they're just being, there's some like, there's something like shutting faggot who's, yeah, trying to be edgy or like too cool for school. Well, and I have a very specific example of that, right? Obviously, immigration has been a live issue for 70 years, but the fact that you can be a member of polite society and, you know, you can advocate for mass

deportations is insane, right? Like, that's illegal to say in a large number of, you know, continental European countries. And you can have, you know, pop stars, you know, admittedly, these aren't serious people, but, you know, Lana Del Rey is a top 40 artist posing with a T-shirt that says mass deportations now. And she hasn't been canceled. And look, obviously, we're, like you said, Thomas, we're a 1% movement, right? This is a vanguard. We're not looking for celebrity endorsements.

But, I mean, can you imagine, even in the political climate of four years ago, like, this has produced a massive sea change. So, you know, obviously, we can complain about retards on Twitter until we go blue into the face. It's fun, you know. But I think it's important to actually go through. you know, the Trump appointments, as we've kind of said earlier, to actually make our case here. You know, we've laid out the broadest level of it.

But Stormy, do you want to go into some of those picks? Well, yeah. Go on. By the way, I think Gates is going. I think Mike Johnson's are going to get replaced. That's what that tells me. Yeah. It looks like Pete's having technical difficulties.

Pete's, let's wait for Pete to come back on Gates because he's got something along the lines of what you just said to say. and it's really good. Yeah. So, normally, all right, so I want to add, I want to piggyback off Jay's question,

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The question really is, do we think these guys can push Trump around? All right. Do we think guys like... Exactly, dude. Go ahead. I don't need to finish... It's the other way around.

Like, okay. Totally. Anybody from... I see so many people like, oh my God, Trump appointed Marco Rubio. This means he's going to go to war with Iran because

the Secretary of State has unilateral powers to declare peace and war at will and can mobilize United States forces to arms and has been, like, shut the fuck up. Like, what do you like, this is an employee.

Is an employee of the president? Trump already owned him. Trump already proved that he fucking owned. Yeah, little Marco. Yeah, he's a cuck. But it's also, Secretary of State's like a sinecure anymore. You got to look at the Belway's not like it was in the Reagan era. It's like Secretary of Defense is basically de facto Secretary of State and National Security Advisor.

Secretary of State's like this dummy sinecure where like slabs like Mrs. Clinton can get slotted into. So it's like it's not. It's prestige. Yeah, exactly. And also, SecDev is the same thing, right? You're telling me, like, the little black guy that we have that's pretending to be our Secretary of Defense

can disappear for four months, and nobody notices while we're at war with one country, and we have another, like, how is this person important? Right, no, it depends on, yeah. Joint Chiefs of Staff run shit, not some black guy that used to work at Raytheon. What's Robert Gates was the, Robert Gates had clout, and that's why he stuck around.

So, but that's why he's an example of Secretary of Defense. But, yeah, at present, it's another cynic here, but it varies. It's like criminology. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, 100% agree. I think the people that actually conduct statecraft, I would say Mr. Ratcliffe is going to conduct far more statecraft than Mr. Rubio is ever going to. And pretty much that's been de facto how the United States

does most of its foreign policies through its intelligence agencies anyways, right? DNI, CIA, Army intelligence, I mean, really NSA is become a joke. Yeah, DIA and NSA are kind of the guts of it and, like, all these, like, myriad contractors that have, like, murky authority. I think CIA has been a joke since the church committee, but I know people, like, push back on me with that. I'm not you guys in me. You know, my friends, I have friends that are, you know, got, were part of the CIA guys that got purged when Obama purged all the intelligence agencies.

Right. And the, I mean, some of them I've introduced to Pete and Jay, been on their shows like, like, what's about, you? Larry Johnson's been telling me that it's more Dilbert than James Bond and has been since the church country. Well, it's also the, even if it was attracting quality people and still had a mandate, that kind of massive bureaucracy where you got guys who are obviously intelligence operators under light diplomatic cover, that's like a Cold War thing that doesn't work like outside that paradigm. You know, like, it doesn't. Facial recognition exists.

Yeah. Well, it's also too. It's not like in the Cold War. It was this perverse paradigm, where it's like, okay, in the one hand, you know, we're going to do everything we can to, like, find a way to accomplish splenaded first strike without also killing ourselves.

But we're going to, like, openly admit we spy on you. Like, our embassy in Hungary is going to be full of CIA guys for pretending not to be, but you know they are. Like, like, bullshit like that. Like, that doesn't happen outside of that very narrow paradigm. 100%. And so, like, one pick in particular, well, first of just, the picks,

in general. Like, Marco Rubio can't declare war. He is an employee, right, and a fixture. What is more important? Right. The only other person, I thought, I think Mitch McConnell would have been secretary of state if he wasn't already leaving. Because I see the most important thing happening is Marco Rubio not being in the Senate, where he has legislative power. You took a powerful person that has previously opposed your agenda several times over and in fact de facto ran against you and you

removed him from a place of power. Right? If you know Mitch McConnell is going to be leaving, that would have been Marco Rubio in Mitch McConnell's seat and now it's not. No, exactly. What's also too, I'm just trying to emphasize the people you know, like the Ukraine war is done.

There's not the money, it's not the forces in being. They don't even talk about the rat man of Kiev anymore because the optics are so bad. I mean, it's like this idea like Trump's going to attack Iran and then he's going to intervene in Yemen then he's going to do this with what?

Like with who? Like how is this going to happen? You know, like this isn't like people's idea that America is like 20 feet tall and it's like unstoppable juggernaut. It's a complete, it's a complete shit show and even even at peak

mobilization like during like the surge, I guess on like 2007. Or maybe like war. Yeah. The army

like 19 the army was like 19 U.S. Army infantrymen were going down a week KIA and that was like taxing the army

was a breaking point but you're telling me like America's going to like assault Russia and take like a million casualties well it's like attacking Iran across like

an 800 kilometer front while it's like intervening in Yemen it's like do you guys work for for Stratfor or do you smell crack or like where how is it how what universe is this possible

even if Trump like decided he was going to like take on that those imperatives for some reason is your name Peter Zahan or Zion? Is that who you are? Yeah yeah like some faggot who calls up like max explosion or something and like works for like strapped

like yeah we're going to attack here and then here and then I'm going to get a brand new gerbil to shove up my ass and I'm going to be the king and it's going to be great literal faggots uh not just figuratively. I completely agree with Thomas. I'm plugged in to my generator now, so

I'm fine. Power just keeps going on and out, off and on. Yeah, man, sorry about that. So look, you were talking about this last week. We were talking about, I don't know how much of that you missed and how much of that you heard, we're talking about Marco Rubio. He's one of the people that's being decried by the left and the far

right, but, I mean, we think Trump's going to just walk all over this guy, and I think you said that last week. The other guy that I put with Rubio, like my two least favorite here are him and Mike Huckabee. I mean, do you think him being the ambassador to Israel? What does it mean?

And there were like all these people who were like, well, you know, Huckabee loves Israel. I'm like, if you're going to have an ambassador to a country, you want them, it would make sense for that person to actually like that country. What are you going to put you? Well, let's make Victoria

Nuland the ambassador to fucking Russia. How does that work out? It's the ultimate, it's the ultimate cynic year. and also like fuck it be he's like this dumb hillbilly he's gonna like annoy the fuck out of these leekers guys but basically a troll move basically like idiot hillbilly like it's like saying like but you're gonna

get my idiot hillbilly cousin like stay at your house like that's basically what he's pulling a saying to me the only position that really means anything with Trump's mandate is attorney general and attorney

oh yeah let's talk about that doesn't say but we're not there yet yeah yeah But Attorney General doesn't mean anything unless Trump is going to be an Article 2 executive. Because he's going to have to – I mean, right now, I would say that – I mean, the next in line, he appointed his own lawyer, his personal lawyer, as deputy attorney general. So if that guy slides in, I've looked – I think Stormy and I looked at his background. I mean, he's worked for the oldest law firm. What the hell is the name that law firm up in Massachusetts? We're talking about the one in here we're talking about

Oh shit, Sullivan Cromwell. Yeah, he worked the Sullivan Cromwell. It's like those dudes in the trading places. Like the Duke brothers. Wait, wait, who are you talking about? What is his position? Sullivan Cromwell is John... No, no, the guy...

The Rockefeller law firm. Go on, Pete? I mean, this guy is a... I mean, like, a hardcore heritage American, you know, seven... Like, 17th generation. And he just, takes orders from Trump. He's one of these

guys who's lived in New York and has been registered a Democrat. And people are like, oh, that guy's a registered Democrat. I'm like, he lives in New York. He's lived in New York for like fucking 25 years. Everyone in New York is a registered Democrat. And, you know, a registered Democrat in New York in the 1970s

was like, you know, would put a beat down on a black dude who walked into their neighborhood. No, exactly. Yeah. Sullivan Cromwell is very important. Pete, next we should go into who's going to be SDNY, head of SDNY. Oh, yeah, Jay Clayton as the head of SDNY is huge. Because he's a guy who's just going to be the policeman of Wall Street.

He's basically, if Powell has been working the way Luongo says to basically go to war with the city of London. It's a manifest fact. Yeah, which is a fact. I mean, this is why I say Powell is another one, what, eighth generation, Virginian?

I mean, this is a heritage American. He's also the first was, the first not a Gentile to head the Fed in how long? No, no, my... When I've thrown shade on him, it's not... I actually think he's doing a pretty decent job

in the role, especially, I mean, compared to somebody like fucking Bernanke or something, but he's definitely like when it trumps ops and he's making that clear and it's not, that's very unprofessional and it's really not appropriate to the role. That's what I meant. That didn't mean like, oh fuck this motherfucker, he's doing A-B-N-C.

And honestly, like a quantitative easing bullshit. He had nothing to do with that. But yeah. In fact, actually, let me talk a little bit about Fed policy. This is kind of my wheelhouse. So we know Janet Yellen is, you know, someone who Kamala Harris is not, right?

Her thesis, her PhD, thesis was in labor theory of economics, which is actual Marxism instead of pretend Marxism, which conservatives do. Her husband is the foremost Marxist economist as if such a ludicrous thing could exist in the world out of, out of Berkeley. So she's a legit commie. And the fact that she spends all of her time running around the world, trying to undo whatever Powell does. So Powell does quantitative tightening. You catch them in the corner of your eye, distinctive, By design, they move you even before you drive. The new Cooper plugin hybrid range for Mentor, Leon and Terramar.

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has been literally to try and stop or slow down everything that this man is doing. So if you know Janet Yellen is your enemy, and she spends all over time trying to undo this guy's stuff, and when he's raising interest rates, let's just think about like the people we hate, if globalism is our op, writ large. When the president of the United Nations, Antonio Gutierrez or whatever that faggist name is, gets in the middle of the United Nations and says, holds a press conference and says,

if we don't get the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, there's going to be a global financial collapse and there's going to be boiled famine, which I think would be not bad. And then Thunberg is doing the same thing. If we got to get,

we got to get Jerome Powell to stop raising interest rates. Well, if Greta Thunberg doesn't like what Powell's doing, and the U.N. president doesn't like what Powell's doing. And all of the fucking world bankers are losing their minds. And all of the IMF people are losing their fucking minds. I mean, so Kamala Harris and John McCain high-fived on the Senate floor after they filibuster his second appointment.

Right? The Fed chairman has only openly criticized presidential policy once, which was Johnson, and I can't remember who's his Fed chief. right was um it'll keep going i'll come to me no and pal and the next time

and so in 60 years now 70 years now the only other time has been Jerome Powell with Joe Biden he's actively been criticizing the Biden administration twice

and I think he got I think he got got his bell rang a little bit because he suddenly stopped so Jerome Powell has done more to end globalism which is the introduction

of SOFER. Tom, I'll run you, Thomas, only run you through a brief thought experiment to get to get to what I'm talking about that we can do in like two seconds. So 90% of the monetary supply is, so monetary supply is created through issuance of new debt. So 90% of that debt is issued offshore, right, by offshore banks. This is a relic of the Marshall Plan that got hijacked and run entirely out of control and taken over by literally all the worst people. And, you know, these European private banks have basically had a basement money printer, which is the ability to issue debt in dollars. Right. So when they issue debt and that debt is denominated in dollars, new dollars are printed.

That used to be a very small amount. Now it is 90% of the global monetary supply of dollars is printed by offshore banks. and it's not indexed to the Federal Reserve interest rate like it would be if it was in the United States. It's indexed to LIBOR. So if 90% of your money is printed offshore by overseas, by foreign banks, and all that money is indexed to an interest rate that's set by LIBOR, which is a council that no U.S. banks are on. Who's in charge of your monetary supply? Right, right.

It was Martin. It was Martin, who was Johnson's. federal reserve chief Martin well you know yes Martin I mean not interrupt I'm just saying like people who

the the rebuttal of people who wouldn't you know like a lot of especially a lot of working people they talk about like inflation is crushing them and then you get these guys even guys who should know better saying like well that's perception and like okay well what's

causing this it's like well obviously what you just said man you know yeah I mean like yeah yeah and it's and it's a real and the Fed guys are a fucking joke like we finally get a guy in there that's doing the opposite of what everyone has

done for the last 90 years and now you want to end the fucking fed, you retard? This is like, it's the same thing with Trump. You finally get a guy that's doing something and now you want to fucking throw Shady on. No, no, no. Legit, two things. I'm going to have

a Shumpeter guy. I'm like heterodox I'm a heterodox economic thinker, but I'm not of Onesian. I mean, Schumpeter's point was you can't, is central banking, You can make it into like a Frankenstein if you want in your conceptual model, but it's a reality, so it's not going to go away.

So what are you going to do? Yeah, money is a technology. Well, yeah. It's going to be used against you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's also, too, there's nothing, I mean, the whole idea like, the whole idea like fiat money is not, quote, real. I mean, that's retarded to, but beyond that.

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So there's not some alternative here where it's like, well, we can abolish the Fed but people are still going to, people are still going to like accept a bearer paper like printed in the United States at literal face value. Like people who say that they've got literally no understanding of like the praxis of economics.

No, because it's the same people that tell you you should tie the currency to gold and that'll stop inflation. Because shiny rocks is real, the paper. risen. See, shiny rocks are magically valuable. Well, that's the amazing thing, right? Inflation didn't exist before Richard Nixon. Oh, you stole

my point, yeah. Inflation never happened before, right? Because before that, all monetary uses were gold. So are we telling people that inflation has never happened? Well, inflation has happened before.

You're telling me, once a commodity is used as a currency, that it's it it's still acts like a commodity which would be an inflation hedge no that that's not true when you take a commodity and use that commodity as money it no longer trades like a commodity an inflation hedge it trades like money yeah and it's um let's all the two the great depression was a deflationary spiral and like a lot of these guys won't even accept that where like supposedly on the right they're like no no it was like it was like out of control inflation you're an idiot

I'm like, oh, I don't think so, man. I've actually, like, I've actually quoted this stuff, and I've spent many, many years with it. I'm no economist, don't get me wrong, but I do know something about macroeconomics. You know, don't tell me, don't know what I'm talking about because I don't, I don't accept that, you know, banking and inflation caused the great depression.

Like, banking failure caused the great depression. Absolutely, but it's like, why did that failure happen? You know, maybe it's something to do with the absence of essential banking mechanism them to guarantee an elastic monetary supply yeah yeah you know but it but no what my second thing my second kind of um subject of apilogy uh um i don't think paul's like a bad guy in terms of this policy or such that the fed the chairman of the fed has policy like my point was he's obviously spoiling for a fight with trump and he made he issued some reckless statement like you know i'm not going to resign and the president can't fire

me. It's like, man, don't do that. Like, you know, I I know that was incredibly reckless. I think he's trying to prove independence because there's a big question of whether the Fed is actually independent from of the presidential

administration. I think he basically is trying to pretend he is. No, no, I feel that. And he could be impeached, but obviously that doesn't come from the White House. But it, um, but the, I especially in the incoming administration he should be doing everything he can to

make nice with Trump at least publicly and frankly privately too because to your point he and Trump would probably be very much like day one of homies if it wasn't for you know this kind of toxic media environment

that is surrounding this entire affair that's all I didn't mean to talk too much I'll be right back in fact that was Powell that introduced probably the most significant thing that's ever happened to America financially in the last 100 years called the secure overnight

funding rate. They tried to push it through it under Obama. Obama killed it, and it'll probably be Trump's greatest legacy. A few people even know it exists. Remember how I talked about LIBOR and that being set by foreign banks, 20 of them

with no U.S. bank on the board. Sofer is LIBOR's replacement. and unlike, so LIBOR's the security is the, the overnight funding rate, but it's an unsecured, uncollateralized funding rate. So SOFER is a secure overnight funding rate, and it's basically only the five U.S. prime banks. And when investors have a difference between unsecure overnight funding rate and secure overnight funding rate, it's not a, it's not really a choice.

kind of go with this one and we've been basically draining the world of capital for the last four or since 2023 when it came into effect it was pretty awesome Germany refusing the invest in derivatives and like tie their like tie their financial system to law speak derivatives like that was like a huge like obstacle to what to what these people wanted to accomplish man and and when I see like Trump policies that it looks more like Frederick List than nieces. Yeah, and that's one of the things I like about Trump, and that's why

I'm a Shumpeter guy, man, and I try and turn like the Youngbloods under Schumpeter. Like, business cycles is a huge undertaking. It's basically like, it's like trying to sit down and read like Das Capital, cover to cover. I mean, obviously, this Capitol is garbage, and business cycle isn't.

Business cycle isn't, but it's also like there were that and Barry Rothbard's the Great Depression. That's like the rebuttal to Keynes, like in academic terms. And then, no, that's the kind of stuff that's realistic. You know, Von Misesian stuff, if you didn't like Von Misi and shit and Hayek has like a thought experiment, that's fine,

I spend a lot of time with, like, abstract stuff, but don't act like this is like your model for policy. That's ridiculous. That's actually a really good point to touch on what Thomas is. Economics isn't real, everyone. Right? Economics is not real. It's not a real thing.

Right. Economics presupposes that financial transactions, and economic transactions exist in a vacuum, right? And there's nothing inside that vacuum except for individuals that are either buying and selling, one, trying to get the most, the highest price for his goods, and the other to extract the most value from his purchase. And it is only these logical decisions in buying and selling

and transacting that exist inside this vacuum called economics. Right? No one is operating from any other you know, intent or from any other paradigm, then value acquisition and price discovery. That's not real. That doesn't exist. Right. So if that existed, right, would Vladimir Putin, would his oil policy be influenced more by price discovery or the strategic and, geopolitical imperatives of the Russian state of the Russian state okay so I guess there's more inside this vacuum which means this vacuum isn't real right mecy in economics rock party in economics like none of this shit is real right it geopolitical

and geostrategic imperatives exist and they're far more of a motivator for what people do at a global scale than anything else so if anybody tries to give you some libertarian economics fucking bullshit or some reason about why this guy is bad or why this other guy is bad because they don't do this and something something you know all that libertarianism shit is actually just not real right it's policy that is using economics as like a cover for liberalism and economics isn't real sorry go ahead well globalism it's using it is a cover for globalism That is exactly right. Because as List pointed out, and I think it's his second letter about the American economy,

you know, he just does some basic, I think it's his first letter. He does some basic economics. Okay, there's three economic models. There's the personal, there's the national, and there's the global. And he had already seen this with Portugal giving up their wine production to England. England at this time was becoming, England was becoming, to Europe like China is to the United States and to other countries at this point. And what he said was, you can have two, but you can't have three.

You can have two, but you can't have three. If the individual is always going to exist, that's the given. So if you choose to have a global economy, the national economy disappears. If you choose to have a national economy, the global economy disappears. And what we're seeing now is, especially since the 1980s when Harvard Business School was teaching, well, you know, just send your manufacturing to China. It'll be cheaper even with the transportation back by sea. What you're seeing is you've seen that our national economy is gone.

There's nothing here. And what the attempt is to bring it back by embracing more of a kind of listian, a Listean framework is to bring manufacturing home and to, if you want to do business, if you're a global corporation that wants to do business in the United States, well, you better set up shop here if you don't want to have to deal with tariffs. And if you don't want to set up shop here, you're going to have to deal with tariffs. You're going to have to pay for it. That's the way you save a, that's the way you protect a national economy.

and basically what the whole libertarian thing is is that, well, we've seen the way that operates. And that's, well, you've been fighting against it for 100 fucking years. You've been trying to convince people that the free market and laissez-faire and global economy and a free market on labor coming from all over the fucking world is the way to go. And nobody's going to adopt you perfectly. But what they're going to do is they're going to take what you're talking about. about to do a bastardized version of it, and they're going to create this kind of globalism. Because one of the things that I was talking to the Wongo on the phone the other day,

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You're basically going to kill the country's dead because everyone around the world is you have bricks coming out with their own kind of currency. You have somebody right now at the Fed who is fighting Zionism. The only people who may be fighting Zionism on a more competent level are Hezbollah and Hamas and all the people actually fighting at shooting and lobbing missiles over there. Elaborate on that bit, Pete, because I think it's important, and I know you just talked to Tom Longgo, so you're going to have it better than me. Go ahead. Run with that for a little bit. What has, what is Jerome Powell's, what has his main focus to destroy Ben?

The city of London and all these European oligarchs, the Jewish city of London, the thousand-year-old Jewish city of London, that's that one square mile in the middle of London, where all the banks are, where all the dirty money in the world goes through, and the other European oligarchs. By everything that he's been doing for the last three years, he's been fighting that. He's been winning. I mean, they're going and buying money. They're going and buying bonds that friggin' China is selling through, like, St. kits and places.

They're fucking grabbing money from Malay. They're grabbing all the gold from Argentina down, from Malay. Because they have to backstop the derivatives. Because they have to backstop the derivatives. And why do they have to backstop the derivatives? Because, because Powell has weakened them so much by disintegrating, LIBOR and bringing it into the United States and putting so far in Chicago and basically bringing home a national economy. And these fucking libertarians are like, oh, we need to end the Fed right now because if we end the Fed, you know, then we'll have, what are we going to have?

Yeah, you've been counter signaling Trump since the very beginning. And you think Trump is now your ticket to go end the Fed. I need you guys to clarify something. I just read that Trump's going to let Jerome Powell's tenure finish, like his term finish. So is Jerome Powell going anywhere? No, he's not. I was under the impression he's not going anywhere. Yeah, but libertarians.

Yeah, the libertarians have been counter-signaling everything that Trump has ever done. And now they're trying to take his win as their win and trying to push a narrative. Two things about the libertarians. One, interestingly, my homie Anthony Romondo, he's a great dude. Like, he took me and him to dinner at this awesome steakhouse in Portland. but, you know, he's a lawyer. He's got a very, he's got a very valuable practice. But he, he was at the front lines of basically representing small business during the COVID bullshit.

And basically he approached, like, the Von Mezians and, like, the Oregon libertarians, like, basically for help. And he kind of publicize what was going on. Like, they wouldn't fucking touch it. And he's like, you know what, he's like, you know what libertarianism is? He's like, it's a bunch of, it's these, like, nerdy guys working shitty jobs, like, looking for a way to, like, basically like they're just like rent seeking to basically be like libertarians they're like constantly like on the hustle for money if when it when push comes to shove they won't do shit as like an actual pack they won't do shit in terms of trying to like raise money for like a legal defense

for some guy who's like business got crushed by like you know some some make-believe like like public health crisis mandate they're they're complete fucking scammers and grifters but it's also even those that aren't you know libertarians one of the reasons I'm a big burner Sombard guy and I'm sure like right wing people at least in America get on my ass because like they go that's socialism but you know Sambart is so important

because he's like economics and politics aren't discreet they're not psychologically discreet and they're not discreet in terms of praxis or whatever means to reality. It's like a modality of politics versus a modality of warfare just idea like oh the problem's structural and it's the Fed

it's like there's not there's not something like intrinsically evil about banking. Or there's not something like intrinsically deleterious to the financial system you know about like a federally about like federally guaranteeing like bearer paper. Like maybe it's like not optimal

but this idea that the Fed the Fed just monetizes debt. Well who keeps the fucking debt? Yeah. Well it's the same guys. It's like a cult. It's like it's like shiny rocks are real but fiat currency is not real. Like a

you know I know they they try like people like people like what's his name like um like uh oh come to me like one of those guys he's kind of faded but he was uh he was this big foil to like the mad money guy he was big libertarian but he's always saying the like well you know you can't set interest rates on gold i'm like why like why can't you like that doesn't make any sense but it's like an article of faith that like something that's something about specie you know is like resistant to uh you know manipulation and policy like policy like level, but any guys, there kind of be a equivalent of these, like, I mean, speaking to Mirr-Shire, I'm going somewhere with this, I'm not just being scattershed on the power political side and, and, you know, everything is structural. It's like this big cop-out, you know, like, oh, we can get around, you know, controversy and, and being targeted by our ops for censorship. We just pretend everything's a structural feature of the market or of, or of, or of, or of, or a strategic or of the geopolitical map.

You know, and it's really, it's like, it's one part like stupid on purpose. It's one part like intellectual cowardies. You know, so that's one of the reasons, you know, don't get me wrong. I'm sure there's like decent guys to come out of the Von Mises Institute. But, but basically, like, those guys are clowns. And like when they're, they're, they basically always take a politically correct path. So they're not counter signaling Trump. They're saying like, oh, don't, don't make waves about, you know, COVID and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Like, they're like, they're like, you're like, you. Yeah, they're less than useless, man. Like, you know, they're, uh, yeah. I mean, that's all. It was his eye-opening because Anthony, like I said, man, he was, uh, he's like, you know, look, he's like, I at least thought these guys would be good for, you know, like helping some of these people face and destitution, at least, like, mount a legal defense.

But he's like, their workless even for that. They're like a bunch of motherfuckers, like, looking for ways to go on vacation by, like, grifting people and robespices of political activism, you know? So I, I developed a profound disdain for them. No, I've known Anthony Romando since COVID. Yeah, he speaks really highly at you, man. Oh, thanks. Yeah, he was heroic.

You know, he was out there keeping people's businesses open and doing it at, I mean, they were coming. They tried to disbar him. They tried to disbar him. Oh, yeah. They tried to disbar him. And he went to the libertarians and he said, you know, tell me, tell me who, it's like, he was doing this in L.A. tell me, just point me to a business that is under siege and everything like that. And they'd be like, and they'd point them to something that was like,

like happened yesterday. That it was, it was, there was no, they wanted to scream about it. And they wanted to draw as much attention to themselves about it as possible. But it didn't really seem like there was this big, like they wanted to help. And then when it came around time in 2021, one, when DeSantis was like, no private business can force somebody to have a vaccine passport to come in or to work there. Libertarians lost their fucking minds because, oh, the government shouldn't be able to tell what private business is. No, fuck you.

Yeah, they should be able to tell private business. What if somebody lives in a place where, like, I live in a town that has one supermarket, okay? What if that one, and I can't travel? One if that one supermarket says, no, I can't come in. All right, what the fuck do I do? That is the job of the state. That would be a job of the state to come in and go, no, you can't bar that person from eating.

The fuck is wrong with you. And libertarians are coming all down on my ass over that, and I'm like, fuck you. No, the regime loyal poissies who try and strike a protest pose. No, it was disgusting, too. Like, Anthony, I saw the receipts on this. Like, the state's attorney, they're trying to have this barred. like Anthony, I mean, honestly, Anthony's a Paizan. He was claiming he has, quote,

mafia ties, like, basically slandering the dude on, like, ethnic grounds. I mean, it's like, what the fuck is that? You know, I mean, like, it, um, they were, like, having people, like, harass his family. I mean, he fought back. He got the state's attorney sanctioned and, like, basically, like, ruined the guy's career, which

made me happy. But, uh, point being, like, it's, they targeted Anthony for destruction for sticking up, like, literally sticking up for the little guy, which opposed libertarians are all about and yeah not only did they not help they try to act that we sabotage it because it's a grift.

They don't give a fuck about the little guy, they give a fuck about the corporation. If you levy sanctions on them saying that they're not allowed to bar people from their, it's like what the fuck are you even talking? So you're saying that they like you're backing up

this corporation that's like saying I don't want people's business. Isn't that like totally against your model? Oh no, it's voluntary on their part. It's voluntary. that they would choose to use these vaccine passports. Yeah, because they came up with the idea for the vaccine passports on their own. It wasn't

like the state who came up with this and was fucking forcing it upon people. No, fuck you, man. One of the reasons I'm not thinking of it's like about me, like I don't matter, but I, one of the reasons I got in front of my felony background and shit, and first of all,

you should be honest about that kind of thing anyway. But a bunch of people thought they were like doxing me like right when I got active again like four years ago and it was some of the usual suspects who I don't need to name because you know who they are but then it was a bunch of these like libertarian

guys and the whole thing was like racism was no place on the right and like first of all it's like why am I quote like racist I mean I don't really okay whatever I mean not that's a meaningless term but I thought that was a weird it's I mean okay I don't usually get hit with that it's usually the quote anti-Semitic or something

but it was these guys who supposedly were like oh, well, this is a critical issue because people cast us in this bad light. It's like, I've got only thing to do with you and like, why would you care anyway? Like, what does it even mean? But it's like, so these guys are going out of their way to try and fucking... If the state hates you,

it will figure out a way to make you a felon. No, 100%. It's like, why would they care about somebody like me anyway? I'm not even like in their program or in their like sphere of activity. But then it's like a lot of these guys, they're like, it's like Pete said, they're like they're literally corporate shills.

Or they're just like bums, like Anthony pointed out. But the guys are the former, it's kind of like their job to like murk people who are like politically incorrect in their view. Like they're really, really toxic people, man. Yeah, that's intellectual fucking cul-de-sac too. But like the whole felon thing pisses me off because like if you're actually doing anything, all you have to do is go back into the history of America's domestic intelligence and law enforcement apparatus. and know that if you're pushing back against the regime in any way, they will try and do whatever, whether it's planting stuff.

Like, if the mark of, like, felony or arrests or anything like that, you're not in the fucking game. No, no. And to be clear, in my case, it was, like, 100% like my fault. Okay, like, I wasn't, like, targeted maliciously. I was, like, doing very wrong things. But it can't with that be a precedent, like, because that's got to stop. It's going to get worse.

Oh, no, I agree 100%, but it's like I got in front of that stuff because I don't lie about things. But my point is that I was taking aback. I'm like, why do these guys even care about me? Employers, rewarding your staff? Why choose between a shop voucher or a Spend Anywhere card when with Options Card, you can have both. With Options Card, your team gets the best of both worlds.

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You know, like that's kind of part of their like job. And that's one of the reasons why, I mean, I realize now they're just like a bunch of law cows. But for like the longest time, like especially through like the Clinton 90s, they were like, okay, these are like the official opposition within like, you know, what passes for the right. It's like this is like the politically correct opposition. shit and they're like, they're like a Washington generals. They never like, they're, they're just like these these freaking nobody's

who are kind of like there to get, you know, to play like a role. But yeah, they're really bad guys. Like they're not, they're not just like benign losers. They're like assholes who try and like fuck people up. I guess is my point. Well, and to bring this back to the so-called neocons, right?

This is something we've seen them do again and again. Right? Same Sam Francis got canceled by people. on the alleged right. And so this is something I've been talking about, you know, the five of us have been talking about kind of behind the scenes is, you know, what is the next stage for us?

You know, I think that the era of, you know, SJW destroyed, you know, just kind of like endlessly making fun of the online left is probably coming to an end. You know, that stuff was tired for a while, like it has been tired for maybe four years now. But I think at this point, you know, the left is not completely broken, but there's not much to say to them anymore. They got no momentum, yeah. Exactly.

But, you know, what you've seen is this scramble to take credit for Trump's win, right? And, you know, it's kind of like opening fight between us, our friends, and then the people who refer to us by the derogative quote unquote woke right, which is a retarded term we don't need to get into. But I think that's really going to be the, that's going to be the. that's going to be the front of this upcoming war. And so, you know, you're talking about the degree to which, you know, even, you know, many libertarians have gotten completely, you know, sciopt and are willing to, you know,

treat us as enemies, right, are willing to, you know, try and get us, you know, under law enforcement pressure or whatever. Well, that's certainly true of them. But to the, you know, the kosher right, whatever you want to call them, they're much more explicit about that fact. I mean, you know, you have people like, you know, James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallel, who, you know, are sort of continually interesting to me, who are very, very explicit about that fact.

They are hunting for fascists. And they want to present themselves and Trump's win as a win for this kind of like race-blind 90s conservatism. Or it's like Ellen Bloom kind of, yeah. It's like Strauss, Ellen Bloom. That's why I raised that at the start. I wasn't trying to be pedantic. But that's, to your guy's point, like you were mentioning

before we went live, like is neo-conservatives still a thing? like it's not a thing in policy terms for the reasons we explicated but in philosophical terms it absolutely is and like this is the way these guys think like they're anti-fascists like as an ideology

they're into this like weird kind of pastiche it's like Alan Bloom, Strauss and it's also it literally is like rabbinic Judaism if you guys want to look for that connection their whole notion you read Strauss and Bloom what's like kind of interstitial to like the kind of deliberately esoteric kind of

you know, kind of, um, narrative is like, oh, well, what's wrong with not just the Roman church, but, you know, these Calvinists and Lutherans is God is an invisible. Like, we know that there's a living God and he needs us to kind of implement his will and, and bring, you know, make the world at just place by like eliminating this ignorance that is people thinking they have a race or like people thinking that, you know, not everybody is equal. Like it really, really, really insidious and it's very, very much a political theology. and it's literally like etiological anti-fish.

Real quick, I wanted to drop this earlier when we were trying to, when we were defined neo-conservatism. But there's a famous quote by Bobby Fisher that I'd like to replace one word with another. if everyone would indulge me. My basic thesis is the Jews are criminal people, and they completely control the United States,

and they are using the United States as a vehicle to take over the world. Now, if we were to repeat that exact same thing with... My basic thesis is that Jews are criminal people, and they've completely controlled the United States, and they are using the United States as a vehicle to spread democracy all over the world. You have neoconservatism. Yeah, I don't disagree. I don't disagree.

Yeah, there's a section on our side of Twitter that is obviously, and you saw it after October 7th, anyone who all of a sudden all these protests started happening on campuses and anyone who was against Israel and was like, you know, saying, well, I mean, what did you expect to happen? And you've been doing this to these people for, you know, for almost 100 years now. So what did you expect to happen? And these people immediately started going, oh, well, you know, you're basically, you're third worldists. And you're, you know, if you have any, if you look upon anyone in Gaza as a victim, you're a third worldist. And you know, you shouldn't be going against the Zionist.

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Bolzerian idiot. It's not just insidious that these like literally mentally retarded like bro guys are still like, oh no, I'm like right wing, bro. And like Israel's bad, bro. I'm like, these guys are trying to insinuate the cells. No, I know, but Belzarian is like tepidly like crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But my point is it's not accidental.

They're like all these faggots who are like, oh, with weights. I'm like pussy. I'm a bro. Oh, no, I'm right wing. Like what they're trying to do is they're trying to like, they're trying to gut this tendency of anything substantive. like, turn it into just like another, like, garbage, like lifestyle brand. And they're also trying to say, like, oh, you see, we're like, like,

like, we're like, like, let's see, it's a Belzerian. It's like, see, I'm critical of Israel, too. But, of course, I know that, like, Muslims are so human. It's just Israel's going too far. You know, it's like a way of trying to murk us, you know, by, um, by, like, recasting what we stand for. And I mean, it's like, okay, I don't, I'm a one percent, uh, I'm a day one percent vangerist. But, you know, it is toxic, man, if, like, our perspective.

gets recast by these shills or basically like taking on those claims like for the sake of discrediting like anything we put out there it doesn't mean like oh no it's good like there's a majoritarian tendency for it's being based that's not what it is

like that's happening too but that's a totally different thing you know like these guys didn't like one day wake up and be like oh I'm right wing because I'm this is exactly what we need to be talking about because I see the only Army, remember the first time we got on the phone together. What was one of the first things we pointed out?

How detrimental the whole vitalist right wing is. Yes. Sure, everyone should be working out. Everyone should be lifting weights. But not everybody should be working out and lifting weights and being pagans because that's the way you def- That's the way forward. And, you know, isn't it always-

If anybody wants to say that my position on that is because I'm a pussy or I'm some fat loser in my basement. I'm sure the guys that are on Zoom right now can affirm that I am a, in fact, giant jacked crazy person, and I don't live in a basement. So all criticism of vitalism is not fat people, right? Uncle Adolf told us that vitalism is a...

What do you call it? It's a surrogate for political action. It makes you feel like you're doing political action, but it doesn't actually have any political utility. I've got some authority to speak on this, and I don't talk about this a lot, because I'm not going to be one of these guys, who like relives his days as, like some high school football star or something.

Unlike all these motherfuckers, basically, I was a competitive bodybuilder. That was like my whole life for, like, nine years, okay, when I was young. I know all about that culture from within. It's, like, very fucked up, it's very perverse. It's very overly sexualized. and you know what it is for almost all the dudes who are like at a competitive level it's some like it's like some cope of like not dealing with real life like nobody

nobody gives a fuck if you lift weight somebody gives a fuck if you're like you know if you got if you got like a display case full of trophies like literally nobody could care less about that shit you're not any different than some dude like doing historical like reenactments on the weekend or it tends to be a night this ideal we need we need jacked thomas photos on the timeline ASAP? Because now I know they, we need jacked Thomas photos on the timeline. Because now I know they exist.

I know, I dropped a few of them, okay? Like, I just don't want to get it open that can of worms. But my point being, like, the whole, one of the reasons, I mean, that's part of growing up from maturing, like, you don't put stock in that kind of thing anymore like you used to. And also, like,

I wasn't going to, like, kill myself with, like, out of control drug use and it was getting out of control. like PEDs, I mean. But the, but the point is, like, it's, there's something pathetic about guys thinking like, oh, with weights and I'm shit. So I'm like teaching, like, come to listen.

It's like, bro, you're being a fucking loser. You know, like, not lifting ways to me, you're a loser, but, like, investing that much into that stuff is, like, a huge, like, loser move. And if you're a pig and you're a faggot. Just real part. It's also, like, what does it even mean? It's like, so you, you worship a shrine to Odin

because you think that, like, I mean, like, I don't, there's guys like Ellen to Benoit, like, he, if we're talking about paganism and like some Heidegarian sense, okay, I'll accept that. But what these guys are talking about, it's like you can't, like, believe in things you know aren't true. So it's like you believe some guy, you believe it's a giant anvil in Asgard and when some, and when some ethereal spectral being strikes it, that's what makes lightning happen. Like, you, you've decided to believe that. Like, I don't know. It's just to cope against Jews. It's basically this thing where it's like, well, you know, you worship this desert,

you worship the desert Israeli and everything. And because you do that, you'll never, you'll always be under the power of the Jews. And I mean, literally, and they'll be like, I'm just by this, by being a pagan, I'm blessing my ancestors. I'm doing my ancestors that I'm like, your grandfather was a fucking Christian. All right? But also, they don't understand what... The issue...

The issue with that, too, is that there was no, like, Judaism, as we know it, before, like, 135 AD. That's the whole point. That's 100% correct. Without a sacraming priest who, without a temple, there is no Judaism. And secondly, if you were to go up to some, like, Zionist,

or just, like, some guy here, like, in my hood, some, like, huge, like, you know, like, conservative Jewish guy. You're like, I'm a Nazi Odinist, and I worship. Thor, he'd look at you like you were a mental case and I have no idea what you're talking about. Like this idea that, like,

you're some threat to, like, Zionists if you're, like, pretending you're, like, a Viking Lord, like, nobody cares about that. Nobody even knows what you're talking about. You know, yet somehow, like, if I started, like, preaching the gospel with my KGV in my hand, those same guys would probably, like, physically attack me.

Hmm, I wonder why that is. You know, I'm not saying that's the metric, but you understand what I mean. Yeah, why does this certain place in the desert, to Pete's point, this certain place, this little desert country, have to, by law, replace the plus symbol, as in like the opposite of the minus symbol, with this weird little sea-type squiggle creature. Because the plus symbol looks too much like a cross that it pains them to see it. So they need it removed from all of their mathematic and economic and pretty much all of their literature writ large across the nation. Because it's not Odin symbol.

It's not Odin symbol that offends them. What does that sound like from literary history? Vampires. Yeah, it's, yeah, no, it's like, it's like, well, that's how I can tell these guys don't interact in the real world. Because if you've, like, been around Jews and you've been around, if you understand, like, not just philosophically and historically, like, the source of ethnocentric intention, but if you interact with other people, like, in any kind

of, like, meaningful capacity, you know, that's, that's in large part where you're, like, identitarian sense of self comes from, at least in political terms. You know, if you're, like, deciding you're, like, an odinist, whatever, you're, you're, like, reading comic books in your house, and, like, you live in some, like, random town where, like, you're the Marvel guy that everyone makes fun of. No, exactly.

And, like, I played the point, and I'm just, I mean, I, I kept a lot of hate from people for all kinds of, like, goofy reasons. But I, you know, like, I, I mean, I'm like a day one minority because I always have been on the ground here. You know, and even, like, my ethnos is a minority here, not just my race. You know, like, and the fact is, that's why I consider myself some of an expert on these kinds of relationships across ethnic and sectarian lines, because that's the way you have to live your life here unless you're going to be a shut-in. And I take some pride in that because to me, like what white power is, what master cast stuff is, like, there's a reason

why, like, you know, hood guys or Spanish guys, you know, or, um, you know, uh, these, like, Slavic guys, whether they're like Romanian or Yuki or Polish or whatever, you know, they, like, my shit rings out, man, like, not, not because, like, I'm so important, but it's because I represent it correctly, man. So, like, them guys, like, give me respect, you know? Everywhere I go in the world, if I go to China, the Chinaman tries to speak like me. If I go, unfortunately, or reluctantly to India, the Indian man. tries to speak like me. He tries to dress like me, but Chinaman tries to dress like me.

Yeah. Why does he do that? When he goes to sleep, he has dreams about a little house, a white picket fence. He has my dreams, or what he thinks my dreams are. He uses my technology. As I talk to him, planes are flying over my head and satellites above them. His whole conceptualization of the world, his paradigm, is white supremacy. Yeah. I don't hate the, you know, Jewish people other than the fact that like as I go through on Pete's podcast in the WASP series that, you know, my ancestors built a beautiful nation, the richest nation in the history of the world out of the abject wilderness and savagery that was America pre-colonization.

And a couple of them organized nefariously and disenfranchised us in. the 30s and used World War 2 to seal the deal. If they had never done that, if they had never come here, I would have absolutely no problem with it. Except for now it's like become existential. Like these people are trying to get rid of my people.

Like politically, I mean, your ops, you know, it's, it's sound illogical, it's not personal, like, and that's why, but it's also weird, it's weird, like, I've tried to explain to motherfuckers, like, people have no idea what goes on in my own mind, not because it's so, like, mysterious and complicated, just because I don't disclose

it's like, look, very good that nobody else's going on in mind. Yeah, let's like, look, honestly, um, you know, I've got All-Star Heritage and, uh, it's basically the way to think about stuff. If I had my way,

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I'd probably order like 10 random military-aged black males decimated you know I do stuff that would like horrify these motherfuckers I'm soft on stuff it's like the fact I'm not like a piece of shit loser who goes around like hating black folks for no reason it's like well I don't do that

it's not a fucking a loser you know and it's like I'm not I'm not something weirdo who like hates people you should actually address that a little bit deeper Thomas because it goes into what what burden and Pete were talking about about this third worldism that's been inserted into the narrative. Like, their ribbon

doesn't exist. If you just hate brown people just to hate them, there's something fucking wrong with you. No, that, and they also don't, what's, like, so I, I, I hang around, like, Syrian and Palestinian people, like, they're, so they're not white, but some, like, some, like, some, like,

some, like, some, like, Skiy Jewish guy is, like, get the fuck out of here. You know, like, and Basha Assad's not, like, I mean, I, I'm not, I'm not something, like, weird. I mean, stuff's more complicated in this, but it's, so, like, Ben, Yahoo is some like superior specimen but like Assad is like

a third world like denizen like what does that even meet like that's do you go around America like hey do you go to like the 7-11 you hate the guy behind the counter yeah he doesn't want to be there you don't want to be there but you hate him for no reason you can't be politically useful in any way but you can just hate you know

people of absolutely no political significance whatsoever yeah yeah well it's also me personal feelings don't figure into the equation you know like I don't yeah like it's uh but no that's why these people aren't they're their their NPCs they're just like loudmouthed NPCs or they're like uh are their guys uh or they're got back when you can actually afford to like go to baseball games for cheap

they're doing they're like the drunk guys like in the bleachers that really feel just like talking shit and like trying to spit on like you know uh like some random motherfucker where they blame because they lost money on their lives better or something like they're not these guys got like nothing to do with us but it's not Racism doesn't exist. It was invented by the same guy that tried to push transdendorism, and he got angry that he got kicked out of Germany and couldn't fuck kids anymore. So he came up with this theory called racism.

Yeah, yeah, essentially. What's also, too, like, why is the guy, like, the base of the day one origin of, quote, anti-Semitism, this guy, Wilhelm Marr, he was one of these, like, late 19th, early 20th century, like, racialists who was trying to reduce everything to, like, biologism. and paradigms. He's like, oh, you know, the reason why I want for this tension between you know, like Jews and Germans it's because they're Semitic. And then it's

like, this like other race. So they're like programmed by blood. It was like, before the human genomes maps. You know, they're programmed by blood to like act this way and think this way. So it's like why that doesn't make any sense. Like in this idea like, so you know, if Jews have

like political hostility with other people it's because those people hate Semitism. Like what does they even mean? You know, like, but in terms of bandied, like, it actually, like, means something, or, like, it actually describes political realities. Yeah, I have far more in common with Native Americans than I do Benjamin Netanyahu. Like, there are noble people. Oh, yeah.

Pretty much, I mean, yeah, just thinking about some of the, I was reading earlier today, about, you know, some of the Native American tribes, and you're like, these are a Marshall people, right? this is a martial cast no they I've got a lot of esteem for I've got a lot of esteem for for red Indians man

I mean like there's there's um there's profound differences like throughout that population depending on who we're talking about but no the crazy horse was a great man you know like he's probably like my dad's into the Indian wars

the war between the states like I'm into World War II you know that's like his like big research interest and like crazy horse is one of his heroes. So since I was like a kid, you know, like I learned a... Every Anglo man at some point in his life will find some war that he will then become obsessed with, but he will never become obsessed with more than one. Yeah, yeah.

This one. Well, it's also, I mean, he, uh, I, my head's a brilliant guy, but he's more, I mean, he knows history very well, but he's like, he's like a high level, like economist, like game theory type guy, you know? It's like, he's not as much of a, he's not as much of a history fag as I am, or like a historicism fag as I am. But he, but yeah, I, so when I was like a little tyke, you know, I grew up learning about a little big horn and custer, obviously, but also like sitting bull and crazy horse. And yeah, no, I, I, they're an amazing people, man. And it's, but it's also why I developed huge respect for Islam.

I started studying it because I met some of these Bosnia guys in the 90s, you know, they, like I was talking about on my pot. And they were fascinating guys and girls. And I've never, I've never met, like, European people who were like, Basas. You know, they're, they're like blonde-eared blue-white people who were very, very Sunni. And so I started like boning up on Islam and

stuff, and that's everything René Guillaume. And, yeah, man, like I, uh, there's, there's a, there's very, very noble Islamic cultures and I'm so I'm an orientalist. You know, like, I guess, too, you are. Yeah, and I mean, yeah, I'm a

very angle for Boston, man, but like it But I'm also, like, white as fuck. You know, I find it crazy guys who, like, convert or, like, no man, or Christian. I can't imagine being anything but, like, a Bible Protestant. You know, not even, like, consciously. I just can't imagine doing that. But I, you know, these people, like, try and throw shade on, like, Islam.

They think that, like, oh, in London, there's some, like, there's some, like, atheist, Somali guy. You can't read, like, rape some girl. That's Islam. It's, like, it's so fucking stupid. It'd be, like, me saying, like, I hate Catholicism. because some like piece of shit like Venezuela and like Serino

like did something horrible after he crashed the border but I but no I I guess my view on I mean that's sorry for rambling but I guess kind of like the way my my dad used crazy horse is kind of like the way I view people like Saladin and stuff. Saladin

is yeah I mean this is Saladin is a not to turn this into history class but Saladin and kind of like the martial nature of some of the Arab peoples when Richard the Lionheart

was fighting in one particular battle he was literally standing on a mountain of corpses his horse had got shot out from underneath him and almost all of his men had been killed and it was really just him and two other

knights backed into a corner and were basically working their way back fighting their way backwards and stepping over other people that have died. And eventually, you know, Saladin was so impressed. He thought this was the most noble things he'd ever seen. And he immediately ordered all of his men to stop. So two of his aid the camps could bring two of his favorite horses to Richard because he's like, a man so noble, right, needs to be on a horse.

you can't be basically being a knight or a king and being what do they call it when you get off horseback dismounted was viewed as it's like if you saw a guy that you respect a lot you know just have a car drive by and splash him with a bunch of mud you're just like

you take off your coat and you give it to the man because you respect him no the that's a lot of your people yeah Baldwin and Lepper and Sal Haddin had a great rapport. That's one of the really things that kept the Kingdom of Jerusalem safe. It's like a

horrible movie because it's like Kingdom of Heaven. It's horrible history and it's just like dumb. But there are a couple aspect. The guy who plays South Hadin is like a brilliant Arab actor and he really seems like that type. And then ignore it in his bow and the leper I thought was pretty cool. And like their

kind of rapport I thought was cool. But no, anybody who reads Gion or anybody who reads like a real history of it looks like Michael Proudan's history of the Mongols which was essential reading at SS

officer younger school that's a great book and I don't have huge respect for the Mongols like nobody if you're like any kind of real life man like you respect that shit you know and like anybody tries to put shade on it like generally in their own life they're like some kind of like disgenic pussy but also

they're just like a piece of shit you know it's like I'm gonna hate on people because I have to hate these people and I have to like and I have to support this other nation that is dissolving my race and ethnicity in my homeland to try and subvert and get out in front of any nationalist tendencies that may occur and therefore reduce funding and support for this nation because I hate brown people. Let's also, I mean, I don't disrespect people's race because that's, the same reason I don't disrespect somebody's white for their mom.

100% Jim Burton's loud keyboard Yeah, like I'm not I'm not a disrespectful fuck And if you are Sorry, that was my It makes you feel any better That was actually my elbow

Not my keyboard Which is probably more fucking disturbing But I didn't realize that was unmuted My bad guess No, you're good No, I'll wrap it up That is definitely more disturbing I don't like disrespectful people man

And like I don't I won't tolerate some black guy Or a Spanish guy Or anybody like disrespecting my race I don't care you get my ass kicked, I'm not going to tolerate it. So, I mean, the last thing I'm going to do is I'm just turn around and disrespect someone's race, like, on a whim. If you do that, you're, first of all, you're asking you get murked that you deserve it. But also, you're just like a piece of shit.

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Yeah, it's day one stuff, but these dudes have never, you know, I'm not something like bad-ass or gangstress. I'm like a guy likes to read books and stuff, but I have been in the street, and anybody who talks that way has not. Because, you know, they're, they're, and I mean, plus you just shouldn't think that way anyway. It's, it's uncool and it's dishonorable, I mean, and at the end of the day, like how things appear actually doesn't matter. Like, that is, it's not all you got, but it's a lot of what you got. I got a raise up here, man. Time kind of got away from me. I'm sorry to be abrupt, but, um.

No worries, ma'am. Yeah, I got a. yeah and it's like dumping snow here some of the other things like I got to like shovel snow oh shit the three of us will wrap it up yeah yeah but uh we should do this again man and uh like sooner than later and like my schedule is a more chill because like some of the thomas tour stops that now like no longer exist like i mean they exist on the map but like they're no longer like part of the part of the tour.

So, but so yeah, just give me like a two days notice if you could any time and we can do this again, man. And yeah, I'll... It's a lot of fun. Yeah, man. Yeah, I guess UNIP will click up this weekend and, uh...

We got, tomorrow we're recording for the podcast and then we're going to do movie review on Saturday on the Sunday. What movie? Can you tell us what movie? It's up to peak. Pete, can tell us what moving? Pete, do you want a reveal or do you want to wait, surprise? It's always a surprise.

We never announce that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a good one. It's a good one. I think you also approve it. Yeah, and then on Sunday, like, me and Jay Bourbon are going to do some stuff, too. Oh, yeah, that reminds me. I have to go back over some of the America First stuff for Pete.

My bad, Pete, I literally didn't do any of that. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, we've got a significant for allowing me to participate, man. And sorry for being abrupt. But, yeah, I'll... Coming back. Yeah, of course, man. I'll catch with you guys in the next few days.

Yep. Talk to great. Take care. Bye. All right, listen, gentlemen, we only... I only have about 20 minutes left. I got up to make myself a cup of coffee. When I came back, Thomas and Stormy, we're talking about fucking crazy horse.

So I don't know where the fuck... You guys got to that. I don't mind, no. I think it's cool. But we're going to... I'd like to finish out. on two things. I'm going to ask Pete a question and Jay Bird in the question. So first question to Pete is Matt Gates. You were talking about this before. I want to, I want to a little bit more get back to

that. He resigned or stepped down or refused to accept this nomination because of this scandal he's embroiled in. Ryan Dawson says that some of the people involved in this scandal are Israelis and they were working for the Israeli government. He didn't prove it to me. Yeah, well, okay, so if you know it's a fact, prove it. No, he did. He published,

are you on his, are you subscribed to his substack? Oh, yeah. All right, and you subscribe to like the ANC report? Yeah. He doesn't show. I remember seeing it there. No, good going.

I remember seeing it there. But he felt like we don't have. access to him. He didn't conclusively prove that it was connected it was an Israeli op.

Pete, if you want to reach out to him, I'll reach out to him through Larry. We can probably sort that out. Yeah,

we could, but here's the thing. It stinks of an Israeli op and it probably was. I just don't think we have the proof yet. Well,

that's all I'm getting at. Somebody released this morning and I don't know whether it's real or not. But alleged his Venmo history has been released. Yeah, and that's real. Yeah, it's real.

If that's real, then there is a lot of money going to what looks like random women. Yeah. I don't know. You know, I don't know. Warren McIntyre right now is saying that, you know, it could be that he was the bait that was put out there to make everybody crazy, and then they'll slide somebody in who, you know, has more, is more of an order follower,

has more experience at doing this kind of thing, maybe his own personal lawyer. I saw someone screaming for Cash Patel to be put in that position because that guy's, you know, say what you want about him, about, you know, wherever he comes from, wherever his family's from, the guy's a maniac. And he like, he literally wants to take, he wants to throw people in jail.

I mean, he wants to see people in jail. I don't know. Who? I don't know. MacAid? No, Cash Patel. But I don't know, you know, if this is true or not what it is. It just, we're just getting the news a couple hours ago.

The, the, what could happen was the, this could have been all leaked. A lot of this could have been honeypotted. A lot of it. I don't know. Yeah. We don't know. Let me tell you what Ryan Dawson's claiming. And this is all true, but there's no definitive link to Israel.

This guy, Jonathan Greenberg, he's a Jewish tax collector in Florida. He's a multiple felon. I'm sorry. That name sounds very Irish to me. Yeah, it is. And he's going to prison for 11 years on 33 felonies. He's probably, he should be in prison. He should be in prison.

I know, I know. They're fucking with us, man. They're definitely fucking with us. So he should be going to prison longer than 11 years, but he led the feds to Matt Gates, so they went easy on him as part of his deal. It's throwing Matt Gates under the bus. Here's the problem, though. There's this CIA agent, and listen to this name.

Tell me if this is also Irish. Bob Levinson. If you could see a picture of this guy. That's not Irish. That's Amish. He's a CIA agent who got captured in Iran. He's believed to be dead, but there are some people still working to free him that say he's still alive and say he was never killed. There's somebody who came to Matt Gates' father and said, if you give us $25 million, we'll make all these charges go away.

This is before it blew up. I don't know if you saw Matt Gates on Tucker, but when they came to his dad and said, hey, this guy has all this. shit on your son Matt and he's going to blow him up. If you give us $25 million, we'll make it disappear. And they were going to say, they were going to make the money transfer look like he was giving a donation to help these people get Robert Levinson out of Iran. They're like, on paper, this is going to look like you're giving us money to help free this guy from Iran. Those are the people Ryan Dawson is saying are Israeli, or connected to Israel at least. which makes sense because who else would be able to fucking try to free a Jewish CIA agent from Iran.

So we got to follow this story and see if it pans out that way. Ryan Dawes is probably correct. It's just he hasn't been able to definitively prove that they are connected to Iran. But it sure stinks like that. So if that's the case, this was, of course, a blackmail scheme to sabotage Matt Gates for this exact type of thing. So I think in light of all this, Trump knew all this, and he's nominated him on purpose as to fuck you. You were talking about COVID before, Pete. I mean, Robert Kennedy is a fuck you appointment.

You know what I mean? Tulsi Gabbard, a fuck you appointment. Like, these are very rhetorically effective moves that he's doing. Right. And, I mean, it's hard to know. you know, you have to take into consideration the entire West has been under occupied

has been occupied for 85 years. So the occupiers, it's easiest for them to do to move within the system. They've basically designed the system so that they can do whatever they wish within the system. Yeah, I don't, see, here's the thing. Having Matt Gates there

as AG, we know that he's motivated and we know that he'd be he'd be an attack dog. But really, if Trump is intent on going full article 2 and going after the people he was going to go after with Matt Gates, he's going to go after them with anyone. So,

the way I look at it is you put anyone into that position. And I like Matt Gates. I like his fire. He could be guilty of all this. There's a good chance that he's guilty in some way. Why would he use that, though? It doesn't make any sense because Congress literally has a slush fund for paying off basically, you know, you know what in a blog. I can't remember, I can't put into words, basically sex allegations against members of Congress. They literally have like literally

hundreds of millions of dollars set aside for congressmen that put their dick where it's not supposed to be and now some girl wants to come out and tell a story like literally your tax dollars go to fund suppressing their sex scandals. And Matt Gates is one of the only people that's never had to withdraw from that slush fund. A single sense.

The former speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, was apparently diddling kiddling kids. And nobody really went to bat for him. And what's the weird thing about that is Democrats don't

throw that in the face of Republicans like every day. Yeah, no. It would be something, you know, if you, if a former Democrat Speaker of the House went to jail for dittling kids, that would be something you would hope the Republicans would be bringing up any time they could, but they don't. They don't bring up. No one talks about. Matt Gates could be completely surprised that he even has a fucking Benmo account.

Yeah. No, no, no, no. That's not what happened. What do you mean? He admits it. He admits it. He admits that he gave these women money. He just says that they weren't prostitutes.

And he said he didn't give them the money for the sex. He was given the money for plane tickets. The thing that's preposterous here is calling. This was part of the, that was what they were saying with the black mit with the sex trafficking thing when they got them the first time, right? It's the same thing. It's the same case.

Yeah. It's coming back up. This is the same case again. It's the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Oh, then yeah. This isn't even a fucking issue then because they had all that stuff before. He was, he was.

Here's the bigger question. Fuck the how. Ask the why. Why did he step down at this point? Yeah, that is exactly the question. That is exactly the question. And somebody told him. The burden.

You're right. Yeah, so I mean, in love. Ken Paxton. There's a, always a thought in my mind. of are we running the Q&ONN playbook again, right? Q&N was right about everything. You know, which is the idea that Trump is playing, you know, fifth dimensional chess.

Everything was intentional. And I mean, is there just a possibility that he wanted Gates because Gates was, you know, a fire breather. He knew he had a chip on his shoulder. And he expected Republicans to get in line. And four Republicans flaked out on him. And so he was stuck in a bad situation. And it was like, all right, we'll get someone else.

Like regardless of any backroom stuff, like, I feel like it's at least worth considering the fact that this might be exactly what it looks like. Yeah, it is exactly what it's look like. Let me just throw this out here. I agree. So it was in the Senate, right? So four Republicans flaked out in the Senate. Yes. Yeah, four.

And I don't remember the names. I know one of them was in Utah who narrowly won his primary. And you're going to tell me that having Marco Rubio back in the Senate and not in a useless position of Secretary of State is better. Not new burden, but tons of people. Here's what I think happened with Gates. So, Pete, to your point about Denny Haster, the reason why Denny Haster, he had to quietly go away and it's not being thrown in their face is because he was part of the network that everyone else is involved in. Of course. These are provided by the Epstein Blackmail Mossad network.

I think what happened with Gates I think what happened with Gates is that he was just partying and this fucking this guy Greenberg was not connected to anybody he was just a rich kid who had a government position and he parted like crazy and he was like hooking up with girls he met

online and he started like ostensibly pimping them out and Matt Gates got connected to him and they were partying together then what happens and there's no espionage going on then what happens is Greenberg gets arrested and is facing basically life in prison. So he's like, well, hey, I got Matt Gates here.

I could fucking throw him under the bus and I'll get a reduced sentence. And then that's when the, according to Dawson, Israelis came along and said, oh shit, Matt Gates is caught up in the scandal. We can get in on this and like make it work to our benefit because Matt Gates had already like opposed the anti-Semitism bill at this point. Matt Gates had already sworn off A-PAC money. This happened after Matt. One in the house.

Only one in the house. Yeah, exactly. So I think it's opportunistic on the point of the people who were trying to blackmail him with the whole Robert Levinson CIA thing. And that would be their history, right? They don't build anything. They come in and they just basically take it over and suck it dry. Yeah. I love that you said that.

Storm, are you still there? Thomas says this all the time. He goes, calling Jews capitalists is completely. wrong. They don't do what capitalists do. They don't do what entrepreneurs do. They don't build anything. They come in and they take over.

They find a way to I hate to use these terms because they're so cartoonish at the time, but they wheezele their way in. And this is the kind of thing. This is the kind of thing that happens is like, oh, okay, so we see the Gates's Gates is compromised in some

ways. And we've never been able to get anything on him. Exactly. Now we have this. If it was really legit, then the Justice Department, I mean, you're going to tell me that merit, darling? Employers, did you know, you can now reward you and your staff with up to 1,500 euro and gift cards annually, completely tax-free, and even better. You can spread it over five different occasions.

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pretty much everybody that was part of the original MAGA movement there's nothing that they do not have that he has so why wasn't the case ever brought yeah they own the fucking I mean look they can literally

make a pretend fake case against Donald Trump and get convictions you're telling me if they had actual evidence another thing is I don't mind making constantly referencing Dawson because I mean Dawson's a guy that's around that we could just talk to so I don't really need to make a show about his show except he's a guy with that that is paramount documentation

yeah his his episodes behind a paywall so I'll give him free advertising all this stuff I'm talking about go pay for his thing and listen to this episode he makes a really fucking good point yeah yeah I'm subscribed he's been on my show he's a great dude actually he was going to come on with us but it was stormy the first time when we talked about ukraine he was going to join us but it was we did it on his birthday oh anyway to your point stormy uh two of the girls accusing gates who were named back in 2021 never came forward never they're like we don't want to have anything

to do with this they never came forward they never testified nothing now of a sudden this is in the news gates gets the appointment all of a sudden they testify in front of congress a week or two ago. So who talked to them between 2021 and now? Somebody fucking talked to them and put them up to it. I don't know if they paid. Someone either paid them or had something on them. Or threatened. Yeah, exactly.

They're young girls. How hard is it to scare young girls? I can't remember if it was Mir Shimer or Jeffrey Sachs, I heard say this, or it could have been, it was somebody who was on the Politano show. And they were saying, you know, everyone in

everyone in Congress has an APAC handler. You know, and APAC funnels, and Israel funnels so much money. And I'm like, I don't think it's the money, man. I think they have something on everyone. I don't know if you caught this, but Tucker recently, Tucker interviewed Greenwald, and Tucker said, he said, you know, I have it on good authority. I've been told that all the spy agencies control Pornhub and all of these places, and they have everybody's history

and not only their history on what they look at on Pornhub in these places, but also on dating sites. Yeah. And Gates use seeking arrangements. So whatever Gates had, they had. And I think Tucker and Glenn Greenwald did that on purpose. I think they put that episode out,

because this is how Tucker works, man. This is how he works. That's every time Douglas McGregor, on Judge Napolitano. He's dropping information for somebody else. Exactly. That's why whenever an episode drops with McGregor on Judge Knapp, it's the first thing I do.

I just stop everything I'm doing and I listen. Because you're getting information that's not, that you're not going to get anywhere else. Yeah, yeah, right on. Well, look, I think we have to call it a day. I did, but I don't know. That was my question. question for canona yes oh yeah i never

was it for burden he's barely actually had uh poor guys and had anything to talk about no i don't really have well i was like that's right sorry yeah i do that was your question was your question the gates one no no no my my question my question for pete was going to

be who's going to replace gates burden what do you think uh my thought is and i cannot remember the guy's name but the the deputy or the second man to the AG was also nominated, and I believed he was Trump's personal lawyer.

To me, that seems to be a direct shoe in. The trend I'm identifying in all of this, right, is beyond, you know, any person's personal politics. Sorry. No worries. It seems like the dividing line through all of these is complete and total loyalty to Trump. Right.

Now, obviously, Gates had that. I would have liked to see. gates in there, if for no other reason that it makes progressives co-conceived. But to be honest, if the guy's been working for Trump this entire time has stuck through all of this insane lawfare, well, it's a pretty good sign that he does what he's told, right? That he's not leaving Trump. And so through all of these, the through line I see, you know, whether we talk about Higgs, Seth, or any of these guys, I mean, I care about their personal politics, right? But it seems to me, in every case, they are Trump loyalists.

And to me, the ultimate test in this is basically some sort of crisis is manufactured where there is a dis- I don't mean to say artificial. A crisis occurs. And there's a disagreement between Trump's two supporting factions, right? The traditional Republican Zionist base and Trump's new friends in Silicon Valley. And if that crisis comes about, right, there is a mutually exclusive situation, Right? Zero some game. Or one one.

I was going to try and make that happen. Exactly. Well, one, who does Trump go with? And two, the people under Trump, do they like Benjamin Netanyahu more or Trump more? And I think that's really the important question. Yeah, you should jump into the comments section of any of these normal APEC, the senator and APEC congressman posters about their support for Israel.

And you see what these MAGA guys are saying. And they're not happy. Here's something to talk about. Okay, so Todd Blanche is who he named his deputy. If he slides up, okay, we know we've already talked about this. He's worked in the Southern District of New York. He's clerked for two federal judges. He's worked at, you know, two of the biggest law firms in the country.

Here's what I missed the first time. In that same announcement, he had put behind him, which would be the deputy, the principal associate to deputies attorney general would be Emil Bove. Emil Bove is a like Seneca Falls, New York guy. His father was assistant New York Attorney General.

He went to Minderse Academy, Georgetown University School of Law. He worked at the Southern District as well. While there, he led unit persecutions against Nicholas Maduro, Searsayek, Tony Hernandez, Fabio Lobo. He became a partner at Blanche Law, which is the law firm that Todd Blanche established. He's also another one. He's, what's his name's, he's another one of Trump's lawyers.

So basically, he had two people waiting in the wings who are his lawyers, his loyalists, and people who have worked in the, biggest, you know, done, you know, gone up against some of the biggest criminal, you know, one of the biggest criminals in the world. And also, he's, I mean, you couldn't find two people who are more experienced in doing the kind of things that Trump would want to do if he does invoke that article two privilege when it comes to using his attorney general against certain people. Yeah, I think this is, this is actually what we should be talking about because who does more work in the DOJ? Is it Merrick Garland or is it the people that are underneath him, right?

The deputies of like, let's say the Civil Rights Division, which has, you know, been really good at throwing Christians in jail for protesting outside of, for praying outside of abortion clinics. or it's the what's the other one? There's two arms of the DOJ that has basically become political persecution operations. It's one of the Civil Rights Division and there's another one

but these people that we're talking about are going to be the ones that are going to head the divisions that actually do the gnarly stuff that actually go after people. The AG himself isn't necessarily that guy the deputies to me are far more important.

It's like the guy who's taking over the Southern District of New York. Southern District of New York is the most corrupt federal judiciary jurisdiction in the country. Right. Like fucking bailouts, SDNY. Epstein, SDNY. Whenever they want to cover something up. They tried to do it with the Trump assassin.

Right. We're going to make it federal. and once it's federal, we're going to bring it to the court that we control above all others. And that's the Southern District of New York. And the fact that Trump put who he puts in SD&Y is insane. Like, it's amazing. Pete, I'll give you a floor a little bit, and I'll jump in on top of that. Astro wants us to go on for a little bit longer if we can.

Yeah. No, I mean, when you look at, um, When you look at who these deputies are who were supposed to be behind gates, I mean, these are, like, these are assassins when it comes to legal, when it comes to prosecuting the investigation. I mean, I'm looking at this right now. And, I mean, what's funny is his, like, his undergrad, this guy, Emil Bov, his undergrad was like at a SUNY school.

It was like SUNY Albany. but I mean he went to Georgetown I mean really yeah I think we know what Georgetown is and yeah you know he's like a he's Emil Bove the third I mean he

that's why that's why the the Sunni thing is funny to me but he he was a lacrosse team captain of the lacrosse team I mean this is these are guys who

these are the guys who know how to get shit done. Now, I don't know what name Boe is. I don't know if he's, you know, if he's lost royalty, but he's definitely, he's definitely been around a long, a long time. His family's been around a long time. And, yeah, it's, apparently they helped to get Maduro's brother

and convicted in a drug case here. His son, Maduro, I mean, this is interesting because especially with your thesis around Marco Rubio that is very interesting yeah this is very interesting and also who has who has Eric Prince

when it comes to the Western Hemisphere what country has Eric Prince most been talking about and talking about Venezuela over and over and over again so this is I can't believe I missed his name the first time

and that when you start going into these people's backgrounds and everything and you see that you know it's this is a weird thing too is you know and I mean I know that this could be just a bunch of cope and everything but the fact that he picks the deputy and then he picks the associates of the deputy

and the associates of the deputy works for the deputy I mean it looks like he's he's going for loyalty like loyalty's the only thing he cares about here. Yep.

And the guy from the AG, or sorry, the Southern District of New York, that guy, right, he was the former head of SEC, right? Step down. Yeah, Jay Clayton. Yeah, Jay Clayton. Jay Clayton comes from Sullivan and Cromwell, which is a name that everybody, if you're going to pretend to talk about politics and you don't know who this law firm is, then you don't know a lot about politics.

You just think you do. right because no law no entity no private institution has been so influential on american politics in the last hundred years as sullivan and cromwell right and if this is the first time you've heard that name you've got a lot of digging to do right how about guys like john foster dulles and alan dulles where did they come from they came from they came from Sullivan and Cromwell. Right. Another gentleman,

what's his name, who jumped out of a building? Forrestall. Or how about the Wild Bill Donovan? Where'd Wild Bill Donovan come from? The creator of the OSS. Oh, that's right. Sullivan Cromwell.

And I'm probably forgetting dozens of other people. But who ran, Who run Sullivan Cromwell? What was Sullivan Cromwell? Like, Sullivan Cromwell is like one of their only clients the time of John Foster and Alan Dulles, who are great Americans. Anybody who's listening to that can, you know,

there's two ways you got here. You either got here because libertarian politics didn't work, or you're a conspiratorid guy that finally made it to the bottom of the only rabbit hole that matters. And that's how you got here. And if you came in through the conspiratord, you know, wrong with it. That's largely how I got to where I was.

So here, this is some interesting stuff. So two days ago, Bloomberg, Bloomberg Law.com did an article. Trump's own lawyers induced fear faith, fear faith at Justice Department. It says here, Donald Trump's election of his personal lawyers for top justice department

is raising alarms about the pressure. These two former federal prosecutors may face to do their former client's bidding by targeting political opponents. Todd Blanche and Emil Boe, appointed for Deputy Attorney General and Principal Associate, DAG, respective, were well-regarded assistant U.S. attorneys and supervisors in the Southern District of New York, nine alumni of the office at interviews. Blanche's background combating violent crime and gangs, and Boves' focus on national security, make them reassuring, contrasting with Trump's Attorney General pick now, which is gone, make them reassuring choices, because they're already

seeing them as like a backup plan. Still, the duo's close ties to Trump are fueling fears among department veterans about how they'll handle the landmines awaiting them under a new president who's threatened to use a department to punish enemies. Yeah. Who gave Trump those 36 felonies? Who's it? Alvin Brad guy?

Yeah. Right? SDNY is where the political corruption happens, the political persecution. So the guy that Jane, Mr. Clayton, his pick for SDNY, right, his background is particularly Wall Street wrongdoing, organized crime, drug rings, political corruption, and terrorism. The SDNY's most high profile cases. recent years, this will probably be just the last five. Sam Bankman freed, the case around U.S. Senator Bob Mendez, right, from Maryland. So I was a case that they want to cover up,

doesn't matter where in the country it matters, it happens, doesn't matter, will get made federal and then brought to the SDNY, because the SDNY is like the citadel of power. It is the most powerful Attorney General's office in the United States. So Sam Bankman-Fried, Jeffrey Epstein, Bob Mendez, and Sean Diddy Cones, just the most recent ones, since 2019, 2018. Do you know how much dirt is in the bowels of SDNY? Oh, yeah. Right?

This is also the same guy that went after intelligence operative Bernie Madoff. and shut down Bernie Maydoth. That's very interesting. He is a very, very interesting guy. He has also tangled with Elon Musk in the past. So this guy isn't, you know, when he was at, when he was at SEC, he actually went after Musk. Musk had to step aside as chairman because of, you know, because of Clayton.

so obviously Musk is not a huge fan of them right but apparently he's got a job to do and apparently that job to do is perfectly okay in the eyes of Elon Musk

so that should tell you something the guy that went after Elon Musk is now is now Trump's pick for the only federal judicial jurisdiction that could actually do something. That's part of what Trump's power is just to make,

I'm just saying that's part of what Trump's, Trump's power is he makes people like that work together. Yeah, it makes them want to work together. It's not that he forces him, he makes them want to work together for Trump. This is the other thing about Trump that just everyone misses, right? The Republican Party does not exist, right? The Zionist, neo-conservative people, they don't exist anymore. They don't have power.

Right. Now the only way that they can get pound. This is a group of people that have controlled the Republican Party for the last 80 years. Not really, in reality, the last 40 years, right? They control Republican politics, but not anymore. Now, the Zionists and the neocons, they have to go and lobby and show field tea, present gifts, right? to President Trump. Exactly.

I love it, man. How can you not love that? Yeah, well, this is what they're not, they don't understand. Like, it's not that Trump is a neocon or he is a Zionist. Trump has his own, Trump's base and the loyalty of his base creates a new political dynamic that America hasn't seen in a really long time, right? If Donald Trump says, I'm not a member of the Republican Party anymore, I want nothing to do with it. The Republican Party will get zero votes. Every Republican congressman is going to get

zero votes. Every Republican senator is zero votes. Any other Republican presidential ticket is going to get zero votes. There is no more Republican party. If you're a senator and you're a congressman, which is this is something that's really fucking important, everybody needs to pay attention to this. Guess how many congressmen are going to be up for election in 2026, a metric fuck ton. How many senators are going to be up for re-election in 2026? A metric fuck tonne. And if you are running for either election or re-election,

you know you can't run on the DNC ticket because everyone hates you. Okay, so that means the only ticket in town, right? So the only way you can get into government is if you run in the Republican ticket. Okay, what does that look like? Well, that looks like if Donald Trump doesn't personally himself bless your campaign, you don't get elected. Right, so that means it doesn't matter. Like, Marie Mabelson didn't fucking buy Donald Trump for $100 million.

That didn't happen. That's not real. Yeah. First off, you didn't give all that money. A thousand percent here. A thousand percent would store me on this. If you are this person that can literally wave his hand and you decide whether a person gets elected or doesn't get elected, right? That means you have more power than APEC.

APEC doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter how much money APEC spends on you. If Donald Trump doesn't wave his hand over you, sprinkle you with holy water and bless you, you're not getting into government. You're not getting elected. that makes Trump the most powerful person in a monarchical sense. Yeah, and it's also, can you, I mean, just real quick, on the show, on the Miriam Aadelson,

this is something that fucking pisses me off about how dumb guys on the right are about politics. Right. Miriam Aedleson pledged $100 million. I could pledge to give Astral $100 million. But how much my obligated? to give astral.

Zero dollars. All right. So a hundred million dollar pledge is not a hundred million dollar donation. If you notice, there's a big difference in the words that they used. Pledge and donation. Who actually donated money?

Right. Miriam Eilson, about 30 million of that actually came in. So high five for her. All right. Unless you know the name Timothy Mellon, you are not in the fucking game. Unless you know the name Timothy Mellon, then you don't know fuck all. Because Timothy Mellon, right, if you say, oh, the Jews control politics, right, you can take all of their donations, including Miriam Aitles and $30 million.

You add them all up. They don't equal Timothy Mellon's $140 million actual donation to Donald Trump. All right. That is WASP aristocracy. This is my people. right the melon family is up there with the Rockefeller family the melon family

the reason you don't know who the melon family is when if we were to rewind the clock you know before World War II every person in America knew who the melon family was I don't think they know that now because the melons the people the melon family got pushed out of power by the same people that pushed the rest of the wasps out of power

they know who these people are. The Mellon family knows how they got politically disenfranchised, just like I know, and just like every one of Pete's listeners knows. So that's the guy that actually made the largest donation. So if we're going to say all of a sudden that Israel controls Trump because of Marianneedelson's donation, okay, well, if that is actually true, let's take your paradigm as truth. Then that means she got outbid by,

Timothy Mellon. Because if you're telling me, donation equals political control over a person, then Timothy Mellon actually has control over Donald Trump because he spent more money than Mary Madelson. Anyways, that's what drives me fucking nuts. It drives me nuts.

I love it. I'm on the same page. And all I was trying to say is that... Go listen to these podcast. He's a counterweight to the Israel lobby. He's not bought off. A single man. He's not owned by the Jews.

Yeah, a single man. This is why I talk about Trump in terms of Caesarism. Like, it seems like really pie in the sky way to talk about politics to talk about Caesarism, but that's how he functions. He creates his own personal capital. His political capital is entirely self-made. His loyalty is entirely self-made. Well, and I think that there's something interesting, too, is that we've seen a swap from

institutional loyalty to personal loyalty, right? That's a good point. Sort of at the basis of all of this, right? Like, how many people were voting for, you know, John McCain because he was John McCain and how many were voting for him because he was a Republican, right? On the other hand, how many people are voting for Trump because he's a Republican? Well, certainly there are some in both cases, right? But Trump has real personal loyalty, right?

And you see this even in how. the kind of like deranged blue and non-leftists talk about maga. They talk about it as a cult of Trump. And they're not entirely wrong. Nope. Right. They are loyal to him as a man. And I think when we're talking about these staffing picks,

we're seeing guys who are personally loyal, which I think is much more important than this kind of like fake post-war consensus belief in institutions. I know we're running out of time and I'm going to need to wrap up. but I just thought that was important to get in there because I think that's an important distinction. Does Elon Musk have loyalty to the Republican Party? Oh, certainly not, right?

He doesn't care. So he's loyal to Donald Trump. Exactly. Yeah. Listen, listen, everybody. We're in a new place. This conversation is not over, but Pete has, now I have to go for sure.

Everybody has to go. So for those of you who've made it this far, go to the show notes, because everything's, Stormy is spitting hot fire. I mean, Stormy is fucking gold. Storm is the fucking nuclear hydrogen bomb we got in our back pocket, in my opinion. I think everybody who knows... I'm just a retard with a really strange memory.

So go... I remember Stormy. Stormy has watched my political arc go from being, like, right wing to, like, far right? He's watched the whole fucking thing go down. I remember one of the first things I ever said to Stormy was... Jews basically are, like, looting the... Jews are basically like looting the corpse of a dead American soldier.

And he's like, yeah, but they're also the ones who shot him in the head in the first place. I remember like, oh shit, is it really like that? And I'm like, yeah. So that's stormy. But you can't kill America, man. It's a zombie, right? All this damage that they've done is bad. But all these black pillars, I think it's over.

It's wrong. Right. Like, if you don't think America can come back from this, then you don't know your American history very well. I agree completely. J.P. Morgan said any man that bets against America should prepare to go broke. All of that to say, everything Stormy's talking about right now, he expands upon it for several hours on Pete's show.

So I'm going to link in the show notes. What is it called, Stormy, the robber barons? in quotation marks the name of that episode yeah yeah Robert and try to save America if you haven't listened to those yet listen to them now and you'll see why stormy is

dropping bombs uh Jay Burns got a show let me sing you the song of my people him and him and Thomas do great work Pete and Thomas do great work go to the show notes there'll be links to relevant episodes from all these guys' shows

to everything we talk talked about today. And I got to go. Guys, a couple weeks, maybe Thomas put in. Listen to Jane Thomas' current events show, which is different than Thomas' other podcast that I did not know about. And I started listening to it and it is fantastic. Well, Stormy, you see that.

I just repeat things you tell me. That's why it's fantastic. Send me a link to those shows. And that's what I'll put in the show notes. All right. Sure thing, I appreciate it. And, I'm sorry, I don't mean this, like, fucking just railroad everybody, but it's like, I went over 20 minutes, and I did not have that 20 minutes.

The Daily Show already, I think they've got the name, the death panel, already coined and trademarked. So we'll have to come up with something different for, it is a good name. Hey, well, look, you guys and the listener is going to want to hear this. Thomas just put in the chat, he wants to do this again in two weeks. So, so everybody stay tuned, all right? All right, talk to you boys later. It's always fun. Thank you gentlemen.