The Pete Quiñones Show - Einsatzgruppe C and Vinnitsa w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

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Yes, we are going to take a break from the Continental Philosophy series and talk about something that's in the news. New York Post is reporting on it. I have their article pulled up from yesterday. The infamous picture from World War II entitled The Last Jew of Initia. it seems that through AI and facial recognition, they have figured out the name of the officer from the famous picture. I will share a screen on the picture for those who aren't familiar with the picture. Well, they're familiar with it. They just don't know exactly what I'm talking about.

So there is the picture. And it seems that the shooter has been identified. as Jacobus Onen, a teacher born in Germany in 1906. And yeah, I contacted you about this this morning, and you had made the suggestion that we might talk about this and should lead into some wider revelations about the war that most people either don't know or don't realize. So I'm going to hand it over to you, Thomas. Yeah, I think a lot of people,

people don't, well first there's a bunch of people on, I wouldn't call it the revisionist side because they're not people who are serious into historical research, but people are sympathetic to heterodox viewpoint saying this was a fake photo. It's not fake, it's real. Then other people are saying why would they take photographs? Well, all kinds of reasons. If you were an Einstein's group commander, you filed an after-action. report. This was your mandate. You needed to produce a body count. And there was also men in the field who take snapshots as souvenirs. Okay, people think this is outlandish. I'm not passing judgment as one or the other. I've seen photographs of guys in Vietnam, American soldiers,

literally holding up severed heads, like for fun. Okay. I mean, again, I'm not feigning moral outrage over that, but this idea that it's somehow unheard of for photographs to be taken of of questionable activity or the shooting of non-combatants that's very naive. But also, what's going on in that photo is very above board. It's not the kind of thing that was being shown in movie houses in Berlin or Hamburg, but it was a major, component of operational doctrine and theater. And that's characteristic of modern war. I include a whole chapter on this in my manuscript that I'm writing.

I'm not going to try and turn this into a shill piece from my own work product, but I think it's intentionally relevant. There's this book by Christopher Browning, who I used to have a lot more respect for, but then he testified against David Irving, which I thought was really grimy. but he wrote a good book called Ordinary Men. It was about this, it was about Ordnangpoitzae Battalion 101 in Yeltsvau, Poland. I'm sure I'm butchering that pronunciation.

And they were an Einstein group battalion, and he talked to a bunch of veterans and who were pretty candid about what went out. I mean, a lot of them demanded anonymity, which is understandable. But, you know, I juxtaposed Brownings, the testimony of these men and his original research with the Senate subcommittee hearings, among other things, on the massacre at Melei 4. This is something that happens in modern war. And in the 20th century, when war became, when ideological and people, imperatives became the causes belly of scaled conflict. You know, the categorical annihilation of human beings became a military imperative.

That's just a fact. This is why the Holocaust religion is bullshit. It's not because things like in that picture didn't happen. It's because that's the face of modern war. And this idea that the Germans are the epitomede. me of evil and they hate Jewish people for no reason and this is a case of the martyrdom of an entire race and this is something that's never happened before since that's what's a bullshit about it not this didn't happen it's the emphasis on it in the way that's characterized is the centrality

of it and the bigoted chauvinism of it that's what's problematic you know i'll add to you know people have this idea i think from the movie movies or something, that Milai in Vietnam was the secret. And then, you know, the civilian press got wind of it or something or some brave witness, you know, like the guys in that Huey Chopper who intervened, you know, went public about it. This was published in Stars and Stripes. They said this was a great victory. Look at this great body count at Mili.

You know, go Ameri call division. This wasn't a secret. That was a free fire zone. These people were fair targets. You know, anybody in a free fire zone in Vietnam, regardless of age, sex, overall health, they're an enemy. You can kill them. And you're encouraged to kill them. You know, that's not any different.

I mean, I'd argue that it was a lot more inhumane. the Pentagon was doing contra OKW no regular army guys in the German army you got drafted or being ordered

to do this kind of stuff you know you were you were asked to volunteer and if you couldn't handle it and you refused to do it no one was you weren't getting shot you weren't getting locked in prison

your career was over and if you're an enlisted man you you'd probably you looked at as a coward and a punk but no one's being course marshaled for this. You know, in contrast,

in Nam, you literally had some 19 year old draftee being told he had to waste the women, kids and oldsters in a free fire zone. That's really, really messed up. You know? And I'm sure that

there's going to be patriotypes. You say, I'm like some big liberal or something we're saying that or whatever, but it's a fact. You know, and it's also a people. People don't, they don't really understand what, they don't really understand the Third Reich. And structurally, if you don't understand the Ross and Krieg aspect, I mean, beyond the fact that Rosson Creek was part of like an overall policy imperative that framed this mass campaign that was Barbarossa, there was this weird institutional agonism between, between the Army, the SS. Then there was a, the Gestapo actually was the legacy of organization of the Prussian secret police.

And they always resented being under the penumbra of the SS. So Himmler's notion was, he established the SD, the cigarette-thensed, which was technically the SS's internal security force. But they had trouble establishing a mandate because they were resented by the police. and by the intelligence apparatus, which was the obfair, which was horribly compromised, but that's a whole other subject matter. So the SD didn't really get its institutional mandate until Barbarossa.

And then when the race were kicked off in earnest, and the RSAHA was the umbrella organization, and the army even, guys who were pretty dogmatic national socialist in the general officer corps they said an uncertain term you're not going to you're not going to involve my men in this bullshit you know you're you're not going to have my people doing this kind of dirty work and i i don't think that's particularly admirable okay it's like look if we're going to war you're saying you're going to like wash your hands but like these guys got to do it because that's what's coded into their

into their mandate as policemen or whatever or, you know, as something less than soldiers. I take exception of that. You know, and not just playing devil's advocate. Like, I mean, I actually find that objectionable. And to be clear, too, the man in that photograph, he was later KIA because a lot of Einstein's group, officers and enlisted, you got,

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Allied Irish Bank's PLC is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. Because in addition to ethnic cleansing and categorically annihilating Eastern Jewry and cleansing other racial enemies, they were on anti-partisan duty. You know, so these guys weren't just doing really kind of horrible things. You know, again, like war is hell. What they did is no worse and no better than what the Allies did or their Japanese co-belligerence did. But, you know, on top of the stress of this kind of activity,

they were fighting this really brutal, you know, anti-partisan, war and a lot of them were dying you know so these guys weren't these guys were every bit as much soldiers as their as their counterparts and in the here and the vaughness cess and uh this also plays into the fact there's this mythology and um people have this idea a general plan o'sh you know they claim oh the nazis were evil because they like hitler wanted to quote like wipe out all slavs or something like there There was, as a, the jury, there was no category of Slav in the Third Reich. You know, there were, under the Nuremberg codes, obviously Jews are stripped of all political and civil rights.

Beyond that, you know, non-Jewish outlanders were treated like anybody else, assuming they weren't. derived of a population that was an enemy of the Reich, like Poles. You know, and there was a race war underway between the Germans and the Poles. And despite, you know, I, we've recorded kind on this. The Poles were ethnically cleansing Germans, Jews, Ruthenians, and anybody else they didn't like, and they were particularly singling out Germans. They slaughtered something like 13,000 of them. them you know this was the causes belly of the 1939 war okay so this idea that one day

edolf hitler or ronard hydraic or you know um hans frank just like randomly decided he hated slavs that's asinine um you know it's such that uh such that that was like a real prejudice Hitler was a Habsburg Austrian. I mean, granted, yeah, he, in a lot of ways, he thought like a Prussian in terms of his historical sensibility and things. But, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't Austrians and Bavarians who had this kind of enduring prejudice against the polls. I mean, that was like a Prussian thing, you know.

So it's, but, you know, the entire raise on dead truck. national socialism aside i mean in in power political terms you know the internal situation and and and trying to curate cultural palingenesis and all you know negotiate the future shock of modernity i mean yeah obviously that is or that was essential aspects of the constellation of values and conceptual factors that made of national socialism. But the grand historical mission of national socialism was for Europe to survive, it had to become a superpower. You know, and it had to consolidate and unite.

And Europe's an indefensible peninsula. It's this tiny little sliver, basically, on this giant landmass of Eurasia. And the view of people like Hitler, of people like, Rosenberg, a people like Max von Schuzener Richter, you know, the Altkafer who died in, you know, in Munich. This was actually pretty conventional geopolitics, geopolitical theory, and the understanding was that the heartland of Indo-Europeans, or I mean, the Aryan race, if you want to be less delicate about it, You know, was the Caucasus, which is true. And out from that world island, you know, civilization spread, you know, carried by these Bronze Age conquerors.

Over time, though, the barbarian East, and particularly the Mongols pushed everybody out to the periphery, including the white, race and thus you have europe you know that's basically the garrison peninsula where europe fought off the orient you know but it's been fighting this desperate kind of rear-regard action position of vulnerability for a millennia that's why one of my very favorite books is uh the the the History of the Mongols by Michael Proudon, that was required reading at the SS Yonkersoul. And Yaakim Piper, he wrote his thesis to graduate on the doctrine of Yasser. Yasser was the oral law, the Mongols. It was, and it was, it was very much completed and the complexity of it was, was, was, curated under Genghis Khan.

It's one part military doctrine. It's one part moral law. It's one part, you know, a statement of the rights between the castes within Mongol society. And it's fascinating because this was all, this was all part of an oral tradition. So any Mongol warrior, like any man who had full status only to his capacity to bear arms and ride as a horseman. He had memorized this, the entire body of Mongol law, essentially.

But Piper wrote about Yasa because any SS officer candidate, he was inculcated with a deep understanding of the Mongol empire and the Mongols as a people for two reasons. But Simler said, the reason we are here in Europe is because of the empire, created by these people, which was the biggest empire the world has ever known. And in Himmler's estimation, the Mongols were the greatest martial race that ever existed.

And essentially, you know, the role of an SS officer is going to be the lead European manhood against the descendants of the steppe Mongols to reconquer what was the Indo-European homeland. And to do that, not only does European manhood and the new warrior Yeomanry, which is going to leave the SS, not only do they need to understand the kind of ancient heritage related to the soil that is being reconquered, But to fight in that environment and to fight a total race war, you've got to understand what animated warrior race is like the Mongols. And the European man has to come to emulate that and curate that tendency within himself. So the idea was, when Czechoslovakia fell apart, and make no mistake. did fall apart. You know, I was writing some short from the other day, this idea that

Hitler was some sorcerer who could make Czechoslovakia a failed state or through Ledger Maine to see everybody into appeasing him. I mean, that's that's an infantile way of looking at human affairs, very powerful ones. But, you know, Hitler had a particular act to grind with Benis, who was a real, a very perfidious and weasel-like individual. But, you know, when Slovakia succeeded, that was the nail in the coffin of the contrivance with Chagoslovakia. And, of course, Slovakia was a very close ally of the Reich. You know, and they were very much part of the Axis.

Alliance, but, you know, historically, there's not. no love loss between the Czechs and the Germans. As Bohemia and Moravia were incorporated into the Greater German Reich. And the Czechs of the Rump Czechoslovakia were incorporated into the Greater German Reich. Himmler wanted to implement what he viewed as this kind of resettlement program. of ethically cleansing the checks and then settling SS officers there and providing them with, you know, fiefdoms within the rich agricultural area contained within the protector. Hitler had talked about deporting at least six million checks to the eastern hinders,

interland subsequent, you know, obviously when like war was underway. And, um, but the problem was that, uh, the Scoda Armsworks, which was a rival to crop in terms of its quality and its productive potential. And it's by what a lot of people think, the German armist industry, it was very localized and almost, uh, and very much, you know, the production, The fixed capital was in the form of like a shop set up almost. There weren't giant factories. So the Germans needed the Skoda Armsworks.

And they needed the checks that were working there. And, you know, fighting a race war with the vestigial check population and then deporting the people who banned this facility. I mean, that would have been on starter. But can I interrupt you? Okay. Well, a couple things. One question I wanted to ask is, when did how early and when was his decision made the realization that in the National Socialist cadre that they were in a race war? And can you, when most people think race war, they think people who look blacks against whites and they think inter-European doesn't sound like a race war to them. So can you address both of those? Yeah, I mean, it was coded into, Hitler said as early, I was getting that, Hitler said as early as 1925, and it's one of the few things that's worthwhile in Mein Kampf.

He said that Germany needs to look eastward because capturing that continental landmass, the world island, is what is going to make Europe a superpower. and it's a fool's errand to try and play the game of colonies or to, you know, try to expand West. And also, you know, Hitler like every other European of the time, you know, he viewed the Westphalian consensus as a moral imperative. You know, you're not going to ethnically cleanse France and capture his Laban's wrong, obviously. why do the Germans do Slavs and Jews as a different race because they work?

Like this idea that race is group anatomy, nobody thinks that way but Americans. You know, and if you look at the Russians as a people, they've got a totally different lineage. They write in a different alphabet. They've got a totally different heritage. Russia is an incredibly racial, like ethnically and racially diverse place. You know, and it always has been.

You know, the German viewer race, and I've written about this, everything was biologically coded then. That's the way everybody thought about things. Is this like materialist reductionist perspective? you know America thought that way in France, in the UK, in Japan, like everybody

thought that way. So that's when the Germans talk about you know, this bilateral criteria determining ethnos or whatever. I mean, that's why. It's because that was the zeitgeist. But nobody in Europe

viewed Eastern Orthodox people from the step as white people and even if they were it's like they'd you know

that wouldn't even register but okay great they're white people they're still a different race and they're our enemy you know and like I said the whole fear of the east is coded into was coded into Europeans

and for good reason you know I'm I highly recommend Praden's book, like I said. If people don't understand this, they should read it. It's not an accident, but it became essential reading in the era. You know, and it's, I've probably got a bias for traditional anthropology.

Because I think it's just more complete, you know, and aside in that, I mean, it's not, population genetics is basically validating these observations and the kind of mapping of these things based on cultural ephemera and and ethno-linguistic patterns and things of behavior and and cultural production and and things like that but i mean that that's that's why and it uh but it's also too i mean people had to you know and uh you know the soviet union especially i mean adding to the alienage of it This was essentially an uprising such that there was a European character to the Russian Empire, and there was, in terms of its leadership cast. You know, that's what Peter the Great, you know, his only ambition was to Europeanize Russia.

And in a lot of ways, the uprising that created the Soviet Union, once the Bulls vatres, were able to kick off the megacidal, you know, um, activity of, of, uh, of, of,

uh, of, of, a, of, a, it, it, it,

it, it, it, it, it, it, it, was a way of

incorrectly as kind of an overcast. Um, so there's that, too, you know, and the Soviets were animated by this aggressive military doctrine of, of proletarian revolution.

And they openly stated they're not bound by the Geneva Convention. They don't recognize international law as defined and permissively implemented by the capitalists. You know, they they categorically removed themselves from the European moral consensus. even had they been party to it previously, and I don't think they were. So it's all of those reasons. But the test case, if you will, for what became racial policy in the East, it started in Bohemia, Moravia, and then the Polish general of government under Hans Frank. because, you know, Poland had to be, Poland was slated for annihilation,

not just on the, you know, convenience of geopolitics and, you know, and imperatives they're in, but also because there was genuine ethnic hatred between the Poles and the Germans, you know, and Hitler wanted to punish the polls. There was a deliberate violence behind that, and it went beyond the fact that, you know, settlement of the Danzig corridor

and the fortification of it, you know, and made no mistake. Like when the Reich invaded, the people at Danzig rose up, and, you know, they viewed themselves almost like, almost like Lloyd Zimbabwe did as this beleaguered

population that was hated by this super majority and that was always at risk of it being ethnically cleansed. So, you know, there was that too. And these people, obviously, you know, they, a lot of them were like very ardent national socialists,

you know, and they're like, okay, it's on, you know, we're going to reclaim we're going to reclaim this land for the Reich and we're going to punish these people who, and their arrogance, you know, thought that they could, thought that they could definitely cleanse our people from their midst. You know, so it became what the foreign ministry, the military, the right chancery, came referred to as a territorial policy,

you know, and that was exclusive to the East. In 1928, in talking about, you know, future racial warfare, you know, Hitler said,

we're going to have to, you know, in a war of conquest, we're either going to have to sterilize foreign elements to ensure that they can't contaminant, you know, continually adulterate the conquering element, which is us, or, quote, remove them all together and make over to its own people, the land thereby released. And what's exactly what happened? And so how uncommon an attitude was that towards the enemy at the time?

I mean, it was very common. And like I said, the polls were, the polls were ethnically cleansing the Germans, not just on the frontier, but, you know, they anywhere, anywhere they were found in appreciable numbers. And, you know, thousands were killed, you know, and really, and horrible stuff happened, you know, on a par with the kind of stuff that happened on the eastern front, you know, later between the Russians and the Germans and the Germans. Germans, you know, the, uh, when the, when the Vermeck crossed the frontier, you know, and, uh, this is documented. You know, they found, uh, they found people with nails driven into their eyes, guys who'd, uh, been severely tortured and, uh, they had their genitals cut off and stuffed in their mouth. I mean, like, like horrifying stuff. I mean, don't even wrong. I mean, the Germans returned to serve like, like massively and killed a lot of people. But, you know, the Poles are doing barbaric stuff, you know, this isn't, um, and Poland's ruled by this crazy military junta.

You know, it's like Ukraine 1.0. It's like there's this crazy junta. It's whacking Jews. It's technically cleansing Germans. It's, uh, it's definitely cleansing Ruthenians and Hungarians. and anybody they just don't like. You know, they then they got this totally deranged, senile, you know, war guarantee from the UK

so that they emboldened them even further to do crazy things. You know, this wasn't, people acting like Poland was somehow like Sweden of the of the east or something. It's like this was a totally out of control state that was behaving as a rogue government.

You know, it's not, you can't tolerate that. And the Russian czars had a history of dealing with this for centuries. No, 100%. Well, it's also, I mean, there's probably what people say, too, it's, you know, the reason why Stalin, I mean, it was twofold. Obviously, the Reich didn't want to open a general war.

war up with the Soviet Union. So when Riven Trump approached, you know, his counterpart in Molotov, you know, the Russians, the Russians, uh, their pretext, and I mean, it wasn't really pretextual. It was, they were, they were looking to defend their own people in the East because that Paul's doing the same thing to the Russians, you know? I mean, it's not this idea that Poland was this great place full of peace-loving, progressive people who were marvelous neighbors and they had this incredible progressive

society with a normal democratic government and so that's why the Soviet Union and the German Reich just invaded them for no reason you know it's I mean for context too and I don't want to derail this into a discussion of the

of September 1939 but the Reich offered the Polish junta unconditional, they said, look, we make no demands other than we want some kind of dedicated access route to Danzig, you know, and we want some sort of, you know, mutual defense agreement, you know, contra the Soviet Union, because we don't coordinate deployment patterns

an event of a threat, you know, we're both at risk. You know, and the Polish response to that was to start ethnically cleansing the German population, the, you know, for all private members would declare that they, they, it wasn't incumbent on them to negotiate with anybody. You know, like I said, it's like Ukraine 1.0. you know it's you're met with grunts threats and obscenities when you when you try and talk to talk to people like men um you know um and i'm not i'm not sitting here saying i think it was cool or a good thing that Poland was for the purpose of annihilated by the german rike but i mean that's that's that's race war

and the if uh the states and it'd be clear too what the this I mean you could argue that this is categorically arbitrary but Aryan elements in Poland were treated like any other Europeans you know or

and obviously you know a lot of people were bilingual or multilingual clearly people could physically pass as you know European and were willing to speak German you know kind of got along okay but, you know, the reality is, I'm not suggesting people need to look positively on this or something, but, you know, in context that was a situation where a basic callousness and brutality was characteristic of decision-making.

But also, too, I mean, again, the, I think the point of people again and again, you know, one of, you know, one of, you know, you. You know, the NBH, you know, Croatia, first of all, I mean, the Germans and the Crocs are always thick as thieves. I mean, they always have been, they were in the 30 years war. You know, Helmut Kohl immediately recognized Tuchman's independence in 91. You know, the Crocs are very Slavic. And who are the only people who were not just formally assimilated into the Vermacht, but they were the only non-German element constituting the lead assault group at Stalingrad.

It was a bunch of Croatians. So the Germans hated Slavs, yet, you know, they were treating the Croats as, you know, not just fellow national socialists, but, you know, their racial brothers in arms. You know, it's, you know, the Slovaks, too, were very, you know, Hitler at great respect. back for Tiso and

there was a basic affinity between the Slovak clerical fascist state in Germany. O'Dillo Globocchnik, we'll get into in a minute, because he played an important role in the territorial policy of the SD.

He was a Balkan Slav. You know, I mean, there ain't no Germans named Odilio Globatchnik. He was the equivalent. He was the equivalent. of a he was the equivalent of a of a full colonel in the SS you know I mean I it's examples

are legion you know it's um there wasn't uh you know again but the main thing is like I said there was there was no category de jure of slob um this and it's not really it's a cultural and linguistic category but in of itself it's not it's not it's not a it's not a racial designation anyway Nor is it viewed that way in those days. The big, if you want to put a date, I didn't forgive me, that was very much a digression. You want to put a date on when was Ross and Creedist policy formalized?

The Ober Salzburg meeting on always 22nd, 1939. This is when it became clear that war with Poland wasn't out of bold. Hitler called him meeting. He summoned a bunch of elements from OKW as well as Himmler and some of the higher SS leaders. And von Bach, Fador von Bach, was a Feldmarshal. He said that Hitler openly stated that the coming war, there's things are going to be done of which German generals would not approve. You know, and he said, therefore, I'm not going to burden the army with necessary liquidations.

And it's also, you know, like I said, the, Himmler was an old fighter, and Hitler respected him. and he wanted to kind of test the apparatus himler was presiding over in a territorial policy that was being curated and uh himler was ominous as the task was was more than happy to abide in it

because it gave him this tremendous mandate um you know and this this was the birth of the instance grouping that's when hitler literally gave himler the task of forming the Einstein's Gruppen. Now to be clear, because this becomes an issue of controversy, and this is actually this, this really was at the core of the Irving trial. Irving's claim, and I accept this, Irving's claim is that there was no fewer order that ordered the final solution. There was no mass conspiracy from the top down. to exterminate European Jewry that was being managed and directed by Hitler.

That should be obvious. To claim otherwise, that's like saying that Lyndon Johnson ordered the Miele Massacre, and he was pouring over body count reports and demanding to know, you know, what the ratio was in free fire zones in Vietnam. That's just not how executive power works in the modern state. you know, incident to a territorial policy, obviously you're going to need elements

that deal in very bloody and grim things like ethnic cleansing and like antipartisan duty, which honestly, there's this gray area between what constitutes anti-partisan

duty and what is just ethnic cleansing. Okay. this isn't semantics or word games, this is a fact. And the earliest iteration of what became the Einzschegruppen, during the Anschluss, Hydrick deployed with order police and SD elements that have been formally designated Sonder Commandos, literally special detachment elements.

And they went into Austria to basically protect the rear echelons and handle constabulary duty with an eye for deep security. You know, communists and Jewish agitators and other people who were, you know, axiomatically opposed to the Reich. And the Sondar commandos deployed again when Czechoslovakia fractured and, you know, the protector was declared and the Vermach moved in to the Czech rump state. But once the immediate task at hand was over, they'd kind of been like

reabsorbed into this like subordinate element accountable to the Gestapo and and the SD generally um so it was the oversalsberg meeting in august 39 that was the birth of the einsetzgruppen in formal terms and that is and we're talking about ethnic cleansing and ross and and the territorial policy. The other important event and date is October 43, the Post and speeches, where Hitler openly, he doesn't dwell on it, but he talks about, you know, in the context of the territorial policy,

the assembled higher assistant police leaders. He says we're talking about the annihilation of the Jewish people. he openly says that you know and people can argue semantics with me on that but like again why i don't know why people who identifies revisionists try and take this kind of perspective of none of this happened that's silly and it's also it's not the issue you know um it's the issue is this is characteristic of modern war and it doesn't represent some rarefied evil or something. And foundationally, too, it's not an accident. I mean, 1939, obviously something we haven't addressed in discrete terms yet.

We've been talking about the territorial policy and the Ross and Krieg between, you know, the Eastern Slavs and the Germans. We haven't specifically talked about, you know, the ethnic cleansing of the Eastern European Jews. The, I mean, obviously coded into national socialist ethics, you know, is the understanding that Jews are the enemy in existential and ontological terms. but it was in January 1939 that's when Hitler issued the speech before the Reichstag so eight months before

U.S.O.R. Salzburg meeting. That's when he said quote, today I'm going to once again be a profit if the international finance jewelry if international finance jewelry

inside and outside Europe manages once more to precipitate the world into war, the outcome will not be the bolshevization of the earth and the consequent triumph of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe, end quote. Now, this was when, this was in response to, according to most people who know the lore, immediately prior, Hym Weissman, who was an essential figure, figure and what became the focus. He'd written a letter in Neville Chamberlain, promising that all Jews everywhere stood

with the UK and on the side of anybody who fought the Third Reich. And the Times published that letter, and that's the source of that headline, you know, world jury declares war against the German Reich. So that's the context. And January 1942, and Hitler referred to that Weissman statement on more than one occasion. And then January 30th, 1942, I don't accept the Vancey conference narrative. We can talk about that at some point. and why I think it was part of the narrative aspect of the case-in-chief for specific intent, homicide.

So it was a, and if you know anything about the way prosecuting authority structure cases, it's based on narrative. So I don't accept that, but it is clear the Einstein's group and became active in earnest. in the opening weeks and months of 92 and it was January 42 he said he said for

the first time we're implementing ancient Jewish law eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, you know, against the tribe obviously the intended sentiment being

the Jew started this war and so now they're reaping the whirlwind and they're waging a racial war on Europe. We are waging a racial war against them in kind. I place a lot of emphasis on direct testimony and declarations of key personages. I mean, whatever the subject matter is, probably because my background in part is in the law, but it's essential to understanding the perspective of the furor, and particularly because this is an issue that's specifically put in controversy, you know, about not just executive intent,

but the degree to which policy was being driven by individual decisions, you know, and obviously no decisions of a political sort in war and peace especially are rendered in isolation. So this is it wasn't just an afterthought or you know

Hitler taking the kind of rhetoric that was common to people like Carl Lugar and just implementing it at scale because he was crazy or had some sort of homicidal prejudice.

It was very it was an extricably bound up with, I mean, don't get me wrong, like the fact that there was this racial war going on in the East, that absolutely is a brutalizing effect. And once you cross that threshold, you can't, not only can not go back from it, but it also changes things. You know, and this is also when it became clear, you know, that the Allies intended to destroy Germany, you know and it's okay this is an existential fight and you know the Jews have openly declared war on us and it be clear too whether you accept this or not I mean not you personally mean whether anybody

accept this or not not just Adolf Hitler but the entirety of the German Reich leadership class really their military element they viewed the world Jewish population population as a combatant actor. The fact that there wasn't a Jewish national state didn't matter. You know, they viewed them as a party combatant to hostilities. You know, so if you're going to burn our cities to the ground and set 50,000 women, kids, and old people on fire, when we find you in Belarus, we're going to kill all of you and kick you into a ditch. I mean, that was the, you know, that's pretty awful stuff, but, you know, that was the mindset. That's the reality.

You know, this stuff wasn't just spontaneous. And, you know, it's also, and it's convoluted, too, because speaking of, like speaking of Globocchnik or Paul Blubel, actually. But, you know, Blobel, it was claimed he was responsible for the Bobby R massacre. Like, what was claimed, the casualties claimed at Bobby R, that's literally not possible. You know, so, I mean, there's all this, you've got to wade through this bullshit to grossly exaggerator, just crazy claims. So then that further convolutes the issue. And it also encourages people to doubt the entirety of what happened, you know, and things like that. So they wanted to mention the loci of that photograph to bring it back the Lublin district in the East.

Globoschnik, Hydrick, and Himmler himself, they had an idea of creating German settlements in what was formerly Poland and Ukraine and then ultimately you know Russia

proper you know they wanted to create these settlement areas where SS men would be given a life fiefdom or like a life estate and you know they they'd be this kind of warrior

Yale menry the equivalent of like the defact um rind but of the eastern frontier you know and they'd uh they'd be this professional warrior element but you know they'd also preside over these big agrarian estates and that would be the breadbasket of you know western europe and uh venizia there's a quadrilateral sort of territory bounded by lublin Zythomir, Venetia, and Levov. Each was a special, or not special, each was, there was a lot of SS activity,

and particularly Einsets Group and activity at each of those loci. And Lublin specifically, that was the Globoshenik's headquarters. The Reichsphere SS, Himmler, his command HQ was at Zithamir. And during the first phase of, first phases of Barbarossa, as the Vermeck made rapid advance, there was a settlement center that Himmler set up for German Ukrainians, you know, to basically corral the Ukrainian folkstreich and give them first choice on where they wanted to live and, you know, try and, um, curate a vanguard population of Volksstoych, you know, as the hostilities were underway to beef up security in the rear areas, but also, you know, the Germans realized they were racing the clock. Even if NCG had been realized in, you know, December 41, that Carl Wolf wrote about this, you know, who was,

was SS adjutant to Hitler. It was just an interesting guy. And he's, he's, um, I, if you come across interviews, one of which from around 1980, one of which from around 1980, one was really fascinating.

But he, he, he, he said some interesting stuff. And he, uh, he, he made the point that, you know,

everybody in the control element around the furor. And he was in a position to know, because I mean, literally the, the SS adjutant to the theater realized we were racing the clock you know um and that's one of the reasons why the the rsha and the SD and the ice this group and became so active you know um the uh but yeah the the kind of polish ukrainian frontier for ethnic reasons for geostrategic reasons for reasons of arable land

and because historically that was the heartland of Folkstoich in the east you know this all magnified the significance

of this area so that's that's part of it too and Glabashnik's an interesting figure he was a bad guy like he I mean I mean I'm not being judgmental on some petty stupid way.

I mean, you need bad guys to get things done at war. But he was very much a gangster. He murdered some guy, some jeweler in Vienna. And he was a wanted man. And the fact that the National Socialists were at war with the Dolphus regime, I mean, they ended up murdering him, you know, Dolphus.

That's one of the things that kind of spared him from being held to account for it. But, you know, he also, he got in trouble for graft. And he actually, he got, I think he actually did time in a concentration camp for, for graft and theft. And Hyderick intervened to get him sprung because, you know, he was exactly the kind of man one needed for this kind of duty but yeah it's really interesting and uh thanks uh i don't want to talk like a ghoul but this this stuff's really in my wheelhouse and especially because right now i'm it directly tracks with the manuscript that i'm working on so it's the forefront of my mind i saw that news

bit i shouted out some stuff about it on social media that's photograph you know and it's an upsetting photograph you know and i i i realize it's probably not a topic a lot of people when I get into or think about over their lunch break or something, but it's important, and it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, sort of, esoteric interests and revisionism, but it's important just in, in general terms to understand, you know,

the, the, the conceptual environment relating to the, the war and things and as it evolves. It's also not for, I mean, most people aren't even equipped to study this because they've, we, the social engineering regime has made it so that talking about this is, you know, uncouth and your, yeah. Yeah.

And also, people just don't, because of what we've been taught for so long, you know, and the, and the realities of modern warfare being basically from the sky and from drones and dropping bombs on people, this is foreign to everybody. And also, you're trying to, you're trying to project American values and, you know, whatever American values are now, upon something that happened 80 years ago and 90 years ago that is a completely different world and everybody just wants to judge something from the past through, oh, we're so much better than that now. And I would say, no, we're not. No, not at all.

Yeah, and that's what, you know, like I said, in Nam, this kind of stuff, identical stuff, albeit again, the the rationale within the parameters of of the conflict were different, but you know, this kind of categorical homicide was the norm. Apparently it's okay if Israel does this, but, you know, that owing to, you know, a special dispensation.

So, no, it's very, very, It's very dishonest, you know, and this, you know, like I said, I'm not, this stuff's important. That's why I, I mean, I basically dedicated my professional life to researching this now. And I, like I said, I wasn't trying to be a shill, but I, I believe in this manuscript I'm writing. I think it's important. The subject matter is, not I'm important. And I, I appreciate having a chance to talk about it. And like I said, it was timely because that I was, you know, I was. fascinated too by that facial recognition software identifying the man in the photograph that's that's wild well it'd be interesting if we could use that to identify some people in some Russian or Ukrainian photographs from the Bolshevik times and oh but I'm sorry you they get a they get a pass because yeah you know yeah and it yeah yeah so probably I'm not trying to be flippant, but there's a

this is going to make it a harder people to like run from their past if they've done bad things that got captured on video or some girl made a mistake years back and did like some some sleazy parol movie or something. I mean, like I'm not kidding. This does that potential.

I guess the rebuttal people just claim it's like deep fake or something. but it's I um no it's it's got for historical research that's it's tremendously useful and it's gonna

it's gonna resolve uh something during mysteries definitely all right thank you thank you for this and I encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's substack that's real Thomas 777.7.com

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