The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1018: Individualism is the Civilization Killer- Pete on the 2Bit Podcast

Episode Date: February 25, 2024

71 MinutesStrong LanguageJason Mironchuk from the 2Bit podcast asked Pete to come on his show and talk about how the promotion of individualism, liberalism, and even libertarianism has led to the fracturing of civilization.2Bit Podcast on Rumble2Bit Podcast on YouTubeGet Autonomy Support Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, madame and messieurs, welcome to at the end of the day show about everything. This week, I am joined by the mighty Peter Canonez host and creator of the Peter Conone's show, formerly of, was it the free man beyond the wall? Yes. You, sir, started off as a meme account, became prominent libertarian scene, and now you're just a little dirty little reactionary like the rest of us. I invited you on here, Pete, to help me bury liberalism, nominalism, and individualism once and for all.

Because I'm personally sick and tired of having these conversations. And I think it's about time we need to move on. Pete, any first thoughts on libertarianism, liberalism, the whole damn yards, and then we'll start the burial. I thought this was a debate. You don't want to debate me, bro? We're not debating, bro? Come on, bro, we want to debate? Hey, bro, bro,

debate. Just like, here, let me just, let me just take my pants off, okay? Just take my pants off a little bit. What is the point of,

if you go to, like, Dave Smith's feed today on Twitter, there are all of these people who want to debate him, okay? What the fuck is that going to accomplish? What is it going to accomplish other than you're,

you're jerking off. in your own little fucking debate club. I mean, it's like, it's like, oh, who's running for Libertarian Party president? I'm like, oh, who's running for the president of the book club? What are we talking about here? And believe me, I read books on my show. I read books every day personally. But I don't think that if I get enough people to read this book, man, we're going to change the world.

If I could just get everyone to read anatomy of the state, bro, we could just change the world. Why do I want to convince all these people who are functionally retarded of my opinion? You're better off doing what any great leader is done in history, telling people what to think. This is the way it's going to be now. This is the way things are going to be run. And fuck you if you don't like it. When Pinochet was like, okay, what? What are we going to do about the economics in our country?

Our country shit. He didn't go out and talk to the Arepa vendors. He didn't ask them, hey, what are we going to do? No, he called Chicago and got a bunch of economists to come down there, and he got together with them. It's called, oh, I'm going to go to the most elite motherfuckers I know. And I'm just going to tell people, this is the way it is now. And that's immoral? What?

People who think that like babies should be sold on the free market are going to tell me about morality. Go fuck yourselves. You people suck. And I used to be one of you. You suck. You want to debate? Oh, come and debate me, bro. Oh, you're scared to debate me, bro.

No, the fucking rifle right there. Let's have that debate with the muzzle of that in your face. That's what's power. That's what changes the world. What are you fucking retarded? I'm done. No, no. This is just the start, my friend.

By the way, I love the little bit of a Spanish, Spanish, uh, uh, uh, a lilt. Bring up, Franco. Um, here's the, uh,

yeah, this is, this really smacks me in the face living in Australia. Because in Australia, there's like, is this hyper bureaucratic, bureaucratic sort of egalitarian system where they're like well we have to consider everything it's like what no you don't have to consider everything okay if if we have three people in the room i'm looking

i'm telling you the sun shining and there's other guy's telling it's raining and you can look out the window and see the sun shining you can ignore the guy who's telling it's raining like he's obviously wrong or so how about you ignore the person who's telling you the theory about why it's raining right because that's what liberals and libertarians are right well let's talk about the theory behind this if we could just get this and here Which is if we just get rid of central banking and it's all Bitcoin, everything will be perfect. There won't be any degeneracy.

Oh, yeah, no, no. Fuck you. Or my personal favorite these days is like you hear these fine upstanding people like Jordan Peterson saying like, look, all we need to do to solve all of Africa's problems is solve world hunger. I'm like, oh, really? Okay. Well, shit. Yeah.

How do you do that? Okay. Who's going to step forward and do that? World hunger could be solved by probably the billionaires that fund the DailyWire. I'm willing to bet that they could solve the billionaires that fund DailyWire, the Wilkes Brothers, these two Jews pretending to be Christians. I mean, they are Christians, but they're essentially eschatological Jews, you know, looking for, let's build that temple.

You know, like Malay just said, oh, let's build that third temple. and usher in what? What is this theory? You're over here talking about, man, there's a rainstorm coming. And the leftist is like, who's this going to affect? The person on the right's like, I don't know, maybe we should get shelter. The libertarians, like, let's figure out why it's going to rain. Let's figure out how the rain comes in.

They're useless. Fucking useless. You know, I was talking about Malay today on the, the timeline and I was saying the thing I love the most about Aleas he at Malay is he proves elite theory he's not out into the streets and are asking Argentinians what he should do he's like this is what we're gonna do and fuck you and if you protest I'm gonna unleash to cops and we're gonna fuck you up right because he's defining a moral good from his from from he's saying that look these

things these government agencies is bloat is bad it's bad for everything I'm making a decision, I'm in power, I'm going to get rid of this, I'm going to fix it. And if you don't like it, fuck off. Then you're also part of the problem and you need to go. It's the same thing with Buckelly in El Salvador. And all these fucking idiots screaming like, oh, well, he was right. Shut up. Shut up. These guys were living in the murder capital of the world. They were living in shit. They were living in hell. They were being, they were being lorded over by gangs who were a satanic. And this guy comes in and clears that thing up in, what, a year? boom problem solved

baby boom's going on everyone's everyone's optimistic El Salvador is booming right now economically and now he can do other things once that problem solved now he's like oh we can do a whole bunch of other things we can build civilizational capital now we can get investments we can do we can build stuff we can make this place of you know

someplace people actually want to you know live in let me ask me my mind what's what's what's McHally's ideology I don't care yeah We don't know. All we know is if he went, what's the biggest problem in the country?

Okay, it's crime, it's murder. How am I going to solve it? Anyone who has a neck tattoo, anyone who has a tattoo that looks like a gang tattoo, you're getting rounded up and you're getting put in prison. Okay, what's that ideology? That's the ideology of stop killing my people. Right.

And I'm going to do anything that needs to be done. I mean, if he turns around next week and turns out to be the biggest fucking communist on the goddamn world, okay, then we can, then we have to, then we can deal with that, right? But until that point, I don't give a shit. Like, especially with Americans, and I know you guys are hyper-sensitive to anything socialist, but for most of the other, for us, I'm Canadian-Lene Australia.

Like, we're raised in this stuff. Sorry, hey, go ahead. Americans don't even know what socialism is. Right. You ask a libertarian what a socialist is. Like, they'll be like, well, the Nazis were socialist. They were Marxist. Really?

Sorry, Kate's just saying. The only debate I want to see right now is Jason and Cooper. debate on the brand name for civil civilizational capital no no that's the name i came up with it that's my name cooper can do whatever hell cooper does i don't know he can go spurred out it's like it's like oh so people back in the 20s were calling themselves socialist and pretty much everyone was calling themselves a socialist back then because it was the the thing of the day it was the thing that everybody wanted to be it was the it was the opposite of the capitalism that was being forced upon them by the first world war and it's like oh we're all going to be socialist okay so what is what is what

does it mean? What does it mean? I mean, literally libertarians, like their whole and liberals, their whole idea of socialism comes from Marx, from Marx. Okay. But other people who call themselves socialist, what did that mean? I don't care. It's all tyranny. You know, shut the fuck up. All right. There's a reason why you have 300 followers on Twitter and I have 33,000, because I can actually fucking talk about something without putting it in well now i can talk about something without putting it into a box and only arguing within that box i can go outside of that box i can talk about what the national socialist actually believed i can talk about what the bolsheviks actually believed i can talk about what the mawis actually believed i can talk about who you know who started those why they started

where it all came from and you're there like tyranny bad because you're scared because it's like Christians it's like Christians I know who are scared to read the Quran because they think that they're going to like there's something in there that's going to pull me in and I'm going to become a Muslim and these people are scared to read anything outside of their ideology because it's going to pull them in and I'm going to I'm not going to be part of the group anymore I'm not going to be able to call myself a libertarian on Facebook anymore I'm going to get kicked out of the libertarian Facebook group there's no libertarians in real life it's online it's all online ideology is all online because

ideology is all fake there's only two ways you can have ideology one you live in a homogenous society that everybody believes in the same thing and they they don't they can't even express it they couldn't even tell you. It's just what it is. If you were to try and formalize it and put it on paper, it probably fuck it up. The second way is you say, this is the way we're going to be right now. And if you don't like it, you can either get out or consequences. I think that's what Malay is doing in Argentina right now, isn't he? That's the only way ideology can go forward. You have to either, it's either something natural or it's something forced. You just can't sit there and go,

oh, we're going to have this ideology of free trade and no borders and all everything's private property, yada, yada, yada, yada. Okay, what about the guy who builds an army? Well, we all have weapons. What about the guy who builds an army of 50,000? Well, I'm going to be on my farm, and I'm going to be up with my 308 on the roof, and I'm going to haul them all off.

Do they not understand how much they sound like faggots? it's because they're just stacked these impossible things. Like now you're saying you're going to go round up, even the right wing idiots here are saying they're going to round up all the illegals and deport them by themselves without any kind of federal or state assistance. It's like, how would you do that? How would you even begin to do that?

Like what, you think they're all just in some sort of barrio that you can easily locate? And even if you did, you know, they might be not want to leave. So you and your good old boys are going to have to do a whole lot more than just threaten them with shotguns. And even if you dip, okay, and even if you get them, get rid of them, they'll do this thing called come back because you don't have a civilization anymore. You don't, this is something I've been saying what off with Matt, with Matt Erickson is like, we don't live in a civilization anymore. I believe this has become self-evident, but for people who are still mystified about it, it's like, we don't build anything.

All the GDP to go up folks are like, okay, where's the buildings? Where's, where's the grand design, where, even if I don't like the, the architecture, even if it's not my style, at least. it would be there, you'd expect to see these things happening in a civilization. It doesn't exist. I've been searching for them. All I see is crumbling down buildings and infrastructure. And people keep saying, oh, infrastructure bill. It's like, yeah, okay, we need more than just plumbing. The plumbing is a good place to start. But, you know, it's when Tucker went to Russia and everyone's freaking out because he's like, look at this metro station. Look at these things, right? And everyone's like, oh, the fact checkers are trying to do the fact checking thing.

It's like, dude, you're not getting it. The fact is that these things exist in a country that you've been told these things shouldn't exist in. These people are maintaining a certain civilizational standard and moving it forward because they think it's important for their people. It's a concept I'm saying that it's a regio. The regio is both the region, the leader, the king, and God. You need these things in order to maintain a sense of cohesion. The Spaniards can go fight the moors for 800 years. and eventually went out because they have a reggio.

They may not have had their king at that point, but they had God and they had their land, that they knew that that's what they're working towards, and held them together. When you don't have that, and this is why I say individualism, liberalism, nominalism, pick your poison, is a civilization killer. At the end of the day, it whittles down all those things.

First, it destroys God, then it destroys the king, and now it's destroying your state. So you don't have any of these things. What are you calling to? What is your great moment? How are you motivating people? Are you a meaning crisis? Yeah, because you don't have a civilization to give you meaning.

People need to have an icon to work towards. They need these things in order to self-motivate themselves. It's an automation process. Or you need a threat. Yeah, or you need a threat. Singapore is a multi-ethnic society. There are a lot of races there. I mean, a lot of Asian races who don't like each other.

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You'll get caned in public. You will get thrown in jail. Okay. All I saw when he's showing the Russian train station, he's like, look how beautiful this is. Look how peaceful it is. I'm like, all those people look the same. All the people in that train station look the same. Hmm. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. It's really weird, huh? It's really weird how, you know, Sweden could be such a peaceful place until you

introduce, you know, until you empty the prisons of Africa into it. Why Iceland can be a place where when I went there a couple of years ago, they said there was like two murders in the last three years and both of them were done by tourists. Well, they just got their first Jewish temple a few years ago. Already, the guys are making noise of that Iceland needs to open its door to immigration. Yeah. Oh, of course, because, I mean, it's just so subversive. And, you know, it's hard to be different in a country that's completely homogenous.

So if you start introducing other groups into it, you can hide better. Now you're not the only outside group. And it's like, oh, now you people aren't noticing me. But the whole idea of liberalism is, I mean, the thing. The biggest problem I have with liberalism is that there's no marketplace of ideas. That's a complete myth. Never existed. It's always the people who can organize the best and basically wield power the best.

Their ideology is going to win and not because it's better, but because they've just basically monopolized the market and they've pushed other people. and they've pushed other people out. And zero one. Yep. Liberalism has no. Liberalism does not take into consideration gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is seen as xenophobia. It is seen as hate.

You know, it's like, I mean, I said, okay, what went wrong with the United States? Well, I mean, except for he started really importing a lot of people in pretty quickly. you, the first time somebody tried to teach communism, you didn't go, go ahead, go ahead, teach it for five more minutes, so we'll put a bullet in your head. So what you're going, you're going to allow, you're founded upon these ideals, and then you're going to let ideals, then you're going to let competing ideas come in that are antithetical to your ideals. That are antithetical to your idea. And the people who are coming in with those ideas, are willing to commit violence to to substantiate their ideas. Yeah, substantiate those. So why are people holding on to liberalism?

And liberalism, I'm sorry, libertarianism. Libertarianism is just liberalism. And it's all on the left. I know people don't like the left-right divide. But I mean, when it comes to the, when it comes to the left, I'll even take the the 1930s European definition

of left right left is internationalist right is nationalist it's all leftist I mean all free trade is is internationalism because as soon as you as soon as you're like oh we have to have free trade okay now we have to have free movement of labor

because labor is the biggest component of trade I would I would interject here what I would interject here I would just say one thing, Pete, not to derail you, but I think the bigger, the thing that really freed up my mind is realizing that both left and right, internationalism and nationalism, is still playing in the same frame. And within the liberal frame, the problem is that it's baked into the name itself, right? Liberty is always, you're always seeking liberty from an

oppressive. Like you're, it's always a scapegoat. It's push away from something. And you can, when it's proximal, it's easier to understand a person to person, a oppressor, slave, that kind of thing. But as you start to metacize that out, as you as you as you as you basically win all those little tiny victories, you stack it out into global oppression. So the oppression is, it's like, you know, show me in the, where is the oppression in the room with you right now? Like, where is this oppression? And we pointed out with the woke because the woke is doing this whole victim narrative. But that's just, that's just a perfected form of liberalism. And we're seeing it in the right. I think libertarians and the woke are the exact same people. Because they're, they're

they're always finding someone to go, no, no, no, I wouldn't be having this perfect life. It wasn't for you who are aggressing upon me. And that's liberalism in a nutshell. Sorry, Pete, I don't want to. Yeah, no, no. And I've been accused of, oh, you blame the Jays for everything. I'm like, no, I mean, you look around and you're like, well, why is every, you know, cultural and financial and legal and medical?

I'm even willing to accept that they're the smartest race that's ever, ever, um, walk the earth. And they just jump right to the top of anything that they touch, any organization they touch. Okay. Here's my question. Is that good or bad for us? I've heard libertarians talk about, hey, you know, I've heard big time libertarians talk about, hey, you know, we weren't asked about this immigration that's coming in. Were we asked that basically everything that we do in our culture,

our culture and our financial and our legal and our medical is basically Jewish, is J-run? Were we asked? Well, let's have a conversation about that. What's his name? Where's a democracy? Where's our vote? Yeah.

We should have a vote about this, right? Yeah. Seems only care. Hilary, Hilar Belloc, the Catholic writer, early 20th century. in his book, the Jays, his whole thing was, how do we solve this? He goes, okay, from a Catholic standpoint, how do we solve this problem? He says, it's the only way. And E. Michael Jones says this all the time.

The only way is we have to have an open conversation about it, and they have to be involved. They have to want to be involved. Problem is, they don't want to be involved. Okay. So every time I look at like, so I look at libertarianism. And I'm like, huh, who are the fathers a libertarianism? And what are their early lives look like? I look at capitalism. Huh. I look at economics. And I listen to a, I listened to two J. Libertarians have a conversation on a podcast about six years ago. And they admitted that all economics is is, is a, bunch of jays having a conversation. Huh. Isn't that interesting? Okay.

Is that what we want? Is that good for us? Is there a way we could be doing something? Is there something different we could be doing as a culture? And if we did try to do things differently as a culture, would they start a world, another world war to stop it? I think the, and going back to why I talked.

talk about liberalism is liberalism allowed all of this to happen. It allows people to just come right in and be like, okay, we're going to dictate. We have this power. We bring this wealth. We're going to dictate what it is now. We got Matthew Erickson in the chat. Look at these two devilish, handsome bastards. It's true. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. We have 88 people watching right now. We will continue to bring the fire in two seconds. Thank you for everyone who's watching. Get those likes up. I see 21 likes or that's what I last check. You've got 88 watching. Get those likes up on YouTube.

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Pete, as you're saying. So, you know, if you want to bring this back to liberalism, it's like, okay, so this small, very organized group, infiltrated the country and admittedly they admit it. The World J. Congress admits it that they helped with feminism. They helped with women voting, getting the 19th Amendment, civil rights act, all of these things. Okay. So they admit it.

Okay. How did that happen? It happened because we allow it. The system is set up so that a powerful group can come in and can take over. is it good for us? I mean, is usery good for us? You know, as Catholics and Orthodox, we say no. We think it's a sin.

Okay, well, if it's a sin, then if we do, if we do partake in it, at least we know what we're going in, what we're going into, you know, we can do our penance for it and everything. But are there better options? Are there other options? Why is this, why is liberal, always the current thing. And if you want to change the current thing, Pst, did you know, those Black Friday deals everyone's talking about? They're right here at Beacon South Quarter.

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even have to be the Jays. Could be the Irish. Yeah, are in charge of it. And, um, damn Irish, are in charge of it and they don't want to lose their potatoes. They don't want to lose their power. God, they just burn in the sun. That's why they're getting ridden all the redheads. That's why Disney's wiping them out, because that's the counter elite. They're afraid of the Irish taken over,

going, we've got grievances too, you're mastered. We've got generational grievances. Oh, we were slaves way back in the day. We were back into Egypt. We was kings,

I tell you. I don't know if that's Irish or Scottish or a bit of both. It doesn't matter. Let's play this clip. Because you brought Dave Smith earlier. this is Dave and super fan of the show Clint Russell

talking about the border let's get this volume up for a second we've gotten to a point where it's like you know this is fucking insane like I don't care you're if you believe in open borders right now under current situation under current circumstances

you're an insane person and you're as bad as a communist you're as bad as saying well, I believe in this theory, and sure my theory is going to result in the destruction of your kids' lives, but I'm so committed to this theory that you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet or something like that. I'm just like not even interested in talking to you anymore. This is like too crazy.

And so like the answer is take our fucking entire military and put them on our border and secure our border. We've gotten... Well, now, there's a Jay. There's a Jay talking sense for a second. Well, I mean... Is Dave still technically a Jay, or is he, like, been kind of stripped of the tribe a little bit? I don't know. They seem to not like him very much about his Israel comments and everything.

But, you know, what I will say is that's exactly what Ron Paul said in 2008. And he was talking about bringing all the troops. sell them and putting them on the board. So I don't know if people remember that, but I remember that. So, yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me. And, but you know, one of the big problems is that the enemy is already in the gates, within the gates. What do you do about that? And that's the biggest problem. The biggest problem is, I mean, and I will, I will add in that workforce that was imported into the country over, you know, the span of 300 years as being a problem. I mean, I had to read crime statistics.

So what do you do? How do you solve all of this? I mean, they basically set it up so that end slavery and it's like, oh, we'll let them stay here. These people we've been, you know, enslaving, you know, let them stay here. you know, progressive, you know, Protestants come down from the north and they're like, oh, we can turn them into good Protestants. We can turn them into good Presbyterians.

Okay, whatever. And then you just basically import the third world. And, you know, and Reason Magazine today has a, well, it wasn't today. I think it was an article from yesterday where they're talking about how there's Palestinian refugees in the country now, and Biden should give him permanent amnesty and bring more in. That's a libertarian magazine. But they're not real libertarians. See, that's the thing is they're not real libertarians.

These people over here, they're real libertarians. The ones here, they're not real libertarians. So is the dividing line just degeneracy? Real libertarians? Not real libertarians? Is it degeneracy? I mean, I think that's one of the things. But, you know, when it comes down to it, you can be a libertarian and you can be against degeneracy.

You can be against open borders. You can talk all you want. And you're still promoting left values. Free trade. Free, no, private this, private that. There's really no way to make any of that work. So really, it's just masturbation at the end of the day. But, you know, hey, at least we hold.

hold on to our principles and I'm not going to give my opinion about how I think things should be fixed now, how we could do better now, because I'll be kicked out of the libertarian, the libertarian Facebook group or my libertarian Twitter DM group. Because I went outside of the box that we've built for ourselves. These materialists who have no connection to, you know, the eternal, so everything is about now and they're trying to come at me and preach morality about open borders and how, oh, you can't

say people coming over the borders you should be able to shoot them because what spaghetti monster flying spaghetti monster says that's bad? No, fuck your, go fuck yourselves. When it comes to right down to it, liberalism and libertarianism does not stand up to the logic test. There's no there's nothing logical about it. There is I mean,

they basically have to turn themselves inside out to make it sound good or they just have to actually openly admit as I did at one time that this is all a theory. It's never going to work. But hey, it's my identity because I stopped going to church for for a bunch of years and I need a religion. There's the clip. You know, I was born on July 20th, which is the, and my saint day is, my saints day is,

St. Elijah. So I've been known, I've been sometimes called a bit of a zealot on certain issues. But what is surprising to me to people is that individualism on a long enough time frame removes you from history. itself. You have, it's not just that it's a bad ideology in terms of its prognotions or what it produces, is that on the, on the individual level, if you want to go that way, on the person level,

it removes you from everything worth having. Family, identity, purpose, meaning, a sense of self, a sense of history, a sense of people, a sense of direction, a future. It destroys all that because, and this is what the atheist doesn't understand, is that basically what you're saying when you become an atheist is that you're taking all of morality, all of reality, all of everything on your shoulders. Because you have to be. You're, you are the only moral agent in the world. Don't don't think about how you got those moral things. What was a wazzle evolution, social evolution, something, or there, right? But you have to now be the arbiter of, of good and bad on every single situation at all times. Because you can't defer to anything. It's got to be you.

That's a crushing thing. There's your, there's your, there's your civilizational nihilism to a key, it destroys human capital. Because how can you do that? If the primary form of human capital is attention and time. And all your time and attention is given up to mundane questions like, well, is this good or that good? I don't know, open borders or not open doors. Well, you should really consider the human repercussions to criminals who are raping and killing babies. Oh, you know, this is stupid. Like, we don't got time, man. Like, Pete, you and I are the same age. And I think if something happens in your mid-40s, where you became realizing that you have less time ahead of you than you do behind you. And there becomes a sort of quickening event, right?

Where you're like, okay, we got to move along here. Like, I don't know. Tomorrow might be the last day. If tomorrow's the last day, what have I done? What do I set in motion? What is what is going on here? And this is where it brings us to this critical point of history, where we're now suffering the consequences of 120 years of absolute bullshit betrayal. This is why I say that, the spirit of the age that's coming down the pike that's being born in front of our eyes is the vengeful son. It's it's a spirit of fuck you. I'm not doing this anymore.

This is bullshit. This is retarded. I'm not doing this anymore. Elon Musk going and telling basically Disney and all the CEOs to go fuck themselves. The game stongs kid saying telling them, you know, saying they hold the stongs. You know, you're going to lose all your money. I don't care. I want to bleed them.

I want to hurt them. That's the spirit we're coming into. And the danger for the religious people, like ourselves, is that it's going to feel good. Like you once said that if this keeps going, you're going to see people hanging out from hanging from overpasses. And I think that's the dangerous thing that they're spiraling into is that if there isn't a stopgap, if we don't start doing some very logical, sensible things, like, hey, maybe unlimited immigration because tacos good is retardedly bad.

We need to stop it. Maybe if we start saying that, look, I get it, right? It's one of the hardest things in the world ever to admit. And I give you, Pete, so much credit, you and a few others. Like, who else was there? Buck Johnson's done this as well. You realize at some point you're wrong. Pst, did you know?

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I did this, where I was fundamentally wrong about reality. and then how to change. And it's brutal. It's not a fun place to be. But especially when you're, in the rebuilding process, especially when you're kind of a public, I mean, you're a niche kind of public figure

and you have, you know, you have thousands of people who listen to you and, you know, tens of thousands of people who follow you on social media. And you change your mind. You're presented with more information, you change your mind. And these fucking lazy-ass people

don't want to change your mind because they're stuck in their identity, because they have no identity outside of their fringe political online bullshit. And then they're just laughing at you. And they're like, oh, you change your mind all the time. Uh-huh, you have no principles. You have no. Go fuck yourself.

Really go, fuck. And you would never say that to my face. And you would never say it to my face. You're in a non-account on frigging social media. You would never say, I've had one person, one person who confronted me to my face at an event and I really fucking respected him. Oh, I really respected him for it because I had met him before. We had hung out before.

And he was like, he was really upset about something. And I think he knew that we could have a conversation, even though I could see in his eyes, he was really upset. And we interact on Twitter almost every day now. You know, I mean, I haven't seen him because I've been over to Atlanta in a while. But yeah, it's cool. it's cool. I mean, it's, it's fine. But, you know, if you change your mind, you know, that was another thing. It was like, I had to figure out who I was. Who am I? Who am I in life? Okay. You know, I started off as a son, you know, I, and then I became a brother. And, you know, I became a husband.

And, you know, I've always been, now that I go back and look, I've always, since, you know, 40, I was 45 days, old. I've always been a Catholic. And that's who I am. That's who I am. Everything else. Everything else goes is just fringe. It's just, yeah, this is, I like reading about national socialism. I like reading about the Falun gay in Spain and the fascist. It's like, I have a picture of them on my wall. I have a picture of a fascist on my wall. I also have Jesus to teach her right down there. You know, it's all it is is I have a couple hobbies, but I never forget who I am. And who I am is way more important than, you know, let's face it, come on. A lot of these people, libertarians and, you know, even ones, even, you know, these conservatives and these people who are making their living

off of this, they have fear of loss. They may, they may know that what they're talking about is never going to happen, but it's like, oh, we'll hold it out for the ideal and everything like that. And, you know, and it's like, well, if they turn and they say, well, you know, libertarianism is going to happen, so I'm never going to talk about it again. Well, what happens to their income? Their income might plummet. It happened to me. Happened to me when I left libertarianism. Happened to me when I didn't get my, my, you know, certain paychecks I had coming in and everything. Started, you know, started over. because it was more important to me to be true to who I am and be true to my own thoughts than it is to be like, hey, I'm a libertarian.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist. And I'm in this group on Facebook, and we're the coolest anarcho-capitalist group on Facebook. We're the coolest anarcho-capitalist direct message group on Twitter. We've watched out for each other. we watch out for each other on social media we defend each other makes them in real life friends

I mean really makes them in life in real life friends the danger too is that when you start dealing in unreality for too long that's why I said that you start building these contradictions and these contradictions start to stack in your head and there's only two ways this ends either either you go crazy

or you become religious because those those contradictions begin to fall. For me, the final plate on the on top of the whole shit sandwich was George Floyd protests. I was living in Montreal. My daughter had just been born or was

just about being born. We lived in a duplex upper floor, this big giant window in the living room. I looked out my window into this park and I saw a whole bunch of Canadians, mostly atheists, kneeling in the park towards, I think it was towards the ease for this dead American

black guy. And a religious ceremony. And that was one where I was like, think like something's going on. Something's, something's way off. Like this is, this is weird. And if this is going on, then, then you got to readjust your whole foundational understanding of reality. And of course, with the COVID and lockdown, all those things began to just put that pressure on where it's like your idea, your concept or your ideologies aren't phronomos. You know, Ideologies aren't world views an ideology can't tell you how to live your life or what to do when your dad gets sick or how to raise your kid You just can't it's it's it's not in there the libertarians try to do that with a nap which is sort of like a vague moral

Whatever right but it's it's there's there's there's it's why need a front of it why is aggression wrong Right well well no why is it wrong Well because it's contradictory private property Why is aggression wrong? I mean, I've seen people say that if you can just get Bitcoin, if you can just fix the money, if you can just get a wealthy society, it'll fix all of these problems.

Really? The only people who think that are poor. They're saying that their problem is poverty or their problem is economics. Therefore, if we fix somehow magically fix all economics, then all their problems go away. It's self-centered bullshit. Yeah, and the problem with economics is like, okay,

it's just like any other ideology. It's not going to exist purely, you know, unless it's a small group operating it amongst each other. Or unless it's forced, unless it is ideologically, and unless it is, the ideology of it is forced upon the people. economics is literally like you know I think Matt

Matt was the first person I think I ever heard say that libertarianism is like Christianity without Christ Christ. Christ is to economics is their Christ economics is their savior I'm sorry? Shout out to Matt Erickson at Kingfield. Yeah, shout out to Matt as well. Oh, shut up, screwed up rebellion.

The economics is their savior. They do have a Christ. It's economics. The problem is that economics can't make a sacrifice for you. You have to make a sacrifice. You have to be the sacrifice. So, I mean, you have to sacrifice in order to make, if you want something to be in the realm of,

of a kind of secular kind of savior. First of all, it's not going to happen. But the closest thing is going to be, it's going to be you. It's going to be you saving yourself from this, relying upon, you know, relying upon your faith, and you either getting out of the system, either deciding to participate in the system, either being in and out of the system. It's just, it doesn't make any sense. There's nothing, there's nothing in libertarianism.

There's nothing in liberalism that you can, argue that makes sense. Because in order for something to make sense, it has to be able to exist on its own. And it can't exist on its own. You know, nature can exist on its own. Okay? We're part of nature, but we're also fallible. We're also, you know, we're going to die one day. And relying, relying upon, saying that we can beat that or we can make that journey easier because of an ideology that's something that is completely material and relies upon, I mean, fallen people to keep it in line. You're post-ideological is, I mean, it's literally, it's like, what are you? I'm post-ideological.

What works? What works? What makes things, what causes what I want to see, what I'm willing to put up with? How does that work? How do we get there? I just don't know what, I don't know what else to say. It just doesn't, it can't exist. It doesn't exist.

It will never exist. It's created in a vacuum. It's like Mike Tyson. everybody has a plan and so you get punched in the mouth until they get punched in the mouth liberalism and anarcho-capitalism works perfectly until you insert it into reality

what we got going on here yeah we got St. Teresa Vilea Catholic Saint wrote the interior castle a nice Jewish girl who converted it a doctor 16th century I think his response to that saying that you can be you can be a Jewish and Christian like you know it's not

these two things aren't aren't exclusionary in fact if you're orthodox christian we believe that we are the continuation of the jews we are the true jews essentially if you want to get into that whole thing but that's a conversation for another time Pete we got about 10 minutes left in the hour

bro you brought fire brought fire from the heaven sir we got to get you a sword that we can set on fire a bit well we round out the hour Matt Erickson Pst, did you know those Black Friday deals

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The Mighty Matt Erickson, personal friend of mine, has got you on board with PayPal Mafia. He was on about a week ago and brought this up. We, of course, have you coming back on in March 1st for the PayPal Mafia friend or Fed,

which is going to be just pure fire. What is this? Go away. Yep. What is what? Go away. Okay. PayPal Mafia, go. What,

because of people who haven't watched the episode with Matt Erickson, go watch that after this, or after the post-show hang, I should say. Let me, what are your current thoughts on the PayPal Mafia as what Matt's talked to you about? And as you're starting to see these things start to, because I think once you see it,

you can't unsee it. Yeah, it's hard. All these rows. So Matt gave me like a list of like a bunch of people to follow on Twitter. And I turned on notifications for them. But first, of course, after the episode, I went and I looked at some of Vevac's old, Vavak, sorry, his old interviews, what he did with Sean Ryan. And I think he did one with, what's that comedian's name?

That's the one I haven't seen yet. And I did notice. Oh, yeah, the, it's not unregistered, but it's flagrant, I think, with, uh, yeah, something. The, um, my mustache is better, by the one. So the, so I, I watched him and I'm like, okay, yeah, he's, he seems like a near reactionary. He's definitely hitting all the talking points that a Yarvin would hit that a James, he's read James Burnham. It's, it's clear that he's read James Burnham.

Okay. So that, Andrew Schultz, thanks, guys. Thank you. So that made me rethink him. You know, also something that Matt said, also something that Matt said was, you know, if you're looking at these guys and you're like, oh, well, you know, they're not 100%.

It's like you're basically saying, you know, it's like you're not a real libertarian kind of thing. And that really is, that gets really tiresome. You know, it's like, oh, Buckelly kissed the wall. And Buckelly's wife has some, you know, has some J in her and everything. I don't care. I'm going to go by what he's doing. I'm just going to judge him by what he's doing.

Don't really give a fuck. You know, he could give a shit. So then I started looking at, you know, some of the other people, David Sachs and all these guys, guys I had never really heard of before. And I'm following their tweets.

And I'm like, there's something, these guys are just from their language, and what they're talking about and how they're retweeting each other. And some of the things that they're saying, it looks like they're building a parallel society. It looks like they're in the process of building a parallel society. Is it my perfect society?

I can guarantee you right now, it is not my perfect society. Does it seem like it would be better than the one we have right now? I'm pretty sure it would considering what I've been able to look at. And that opinion can change tomorrow. Okay. And then I started noticing, like, looking at Babake's appearances with Trump. That is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. No one.

Yeah. A cathedral, if you will. Yeah. No one. No one has ever been. In 2016, there was no one out there doing that with Trump. I mean, just basically going out, opening up for him, giving a better speech than him, and then having him come up there.

And, you know, and when you look at Trump, it looks like Trump does not really want him there. So if Trump doesn't want, what? But he's also the guy who's talking about the managerial class on his bucket in interviews. Yeah, that's what I said. He's Burnham. He's basically parroting Burnham, which is great. Um, um, so I'm, and what I'm looking, another thing I'm looking at is something that Matt said, and it's something that really inspired my substack this morning, the substack I wrote this morning,

was these guys are on complaining. I mean, these, they're complaining about, you know, like, oh, stuff that's happening. A lot of them live in San Francisco. They're like, oh, we need to get these laws fixed and everything. But they're not like in existential dread. And that's what it seems. like everybody, you know, who's, you know, and I mean, I could put myself in this. Everybody who complains about the Js all the time talks about the J's, J power, talks about the

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I mean, I think he had a pump and dump. So, you know, it's like, okay, whatever. But what I see is I see guys who look at the government, see a failed business, and they're like, we can build a better model, and we're going to build a better model. So I'm just reprimanding to A Doe here. said, how do you convince young women that they should get married, have children when the culture tells them the opposite? How does one not conform to this nihilist culture without being isolated? My simple answer to that is build a civilization worth living in. You build a

civilization. Look, El Salvador is experiencing a baby boom right now. Okay, one year after locking up all the prisoners, they're experiencing him, and he's just, uh, Kelly's just won by like, what, 80, 90 percent, whatever, whatever he won you want to go with. Okay. And they're having a baby boom of people who of civil people who want to live in a civilization well i i that's how you do it like i have i have an easier i have an easier answer ask him ask him to marry you right yeah that usually works ask them to marry you if you're a successful person i'm pete and i are both married it's it's not like some magic spell yeah yeah and what's funny is if you meet the right person, right off the bat, it's pretty much assumed you're going to get married. You don't even

have. I never asked her to, we just knew that we were going to get married. I was engaged within like three months of meeting my, my wife. We just were like, she even said like, I think on on like the first week of dating, she's like, we were going to get married. I'm like, okay. You know, and then like three months later, I'm like, eh, let's just get married and propose and that was it. We were married before our first year anniversary of dating because. Move it along, folks. Like, yeah, you're going to have a relationship. It's going to have hardships.

It's going to be tough sometimes. You're going to pull your hair out. You're going to be like, what the fuck did I just do? Why is my life on fire? Well, it's because you're married and that's going to happen. And then that's going to calm down. And you're going to have the value and safety and all the other great things that come with marriage. You get to grow with someone.

You get to have it. You get to experience this life with somebody by your side for the rest of your life. That's worth fighting and dying for. And they bring kids into the whole equation. and it's like, what are we talking about? G.L. asked if isn't Saxa J. Yeah, I think he is. And like I said, some of my favorite people are.

Dave Smith is a good friend of mine. Paul Gottfried is an amazing man. Ron Unz is an amazing man. I mean, I can run down a list. I mean, I don't care. I mean, what do you believe? What is it that you believe? You know, the guy over my.

shoulder, you know, Francis Barker Yaki, archfascist running around, writing screeds against J. Power in the 1950s. When he got caught by the FBI, you know where he was? He was in a rabbi's house. He was with a friend of his that was a rabbi. Really odd, huh? Like, it's almost like you can judge people on an individual basis while you're looking at a group and saying, why that group seems to be doing some weird shit. Yeah, historically or in the moment, yeah. It's why I've made a distinction between civil and primal. And we'll talk about this at some other point more in depth.

But by making those two distinctions, it helps. I think it helps. It's like anyone can be in a civil frame. It doesn't have to, and everyone can be in a primal frame. And by primal, I don't mean just people in grass skirts, although those people too. Like you can have blue hair, wokeism. those are primal frame people.

Zero time for reference. Everything's immediate. Every danger is existential because in a primal frame, you have to act like that because there could be a tiger in that bush. If you take us and put us on a desert island or an isolation, we will get into primal frame real fucking fast. It's not bad. It's just it's useful in certain situations and not useful in civilization.

And when you import that primal frame into it through ideology or immigration or anything of that, it will destroy the civilization. Because they can't exist in it. That's why you have immigrants throwing a white pregnant lady in France out the bus because they're just like, no, this is my need. I will not sacrifice. I will not subdue.

I need to get on this bus. You're in my way. Out you go. That's primal frame shit. In a civilization frame, you would never even think of that. It would never even cross your fucking mind. And you react in horror to it.

it because it's like that's anti-civilizational. Right. And we'd like humanity, you know, morality, all that stuff. Yes. But it's held together in that. Like you have to be civilizational to respect civilization and do things that I think are inherently irrational, but have a super rationality to them because it's internally consistent. There's no good reason to make a bank beautiful other than making a bank beautiful is good

for civilization, you know? Like, all right. Well, yeah, the question here. As A Do says, of course, we need an alternative civilization. How do you do that? You build one. You build one. That's what people are doing right now.

And to bring this all back to liberalism and libertarianism, for those of you saying, but it's not going to be perfectly to my liking, you're no different than the libertarians who are saying, well, if it's not perfectly libertarian, it's completely immoral and I don't want anything to do with it. I mean, literally, I would just, a regime that would ignore me at this point is preferable to what we have now. They would just ignore me.

Forget that I exist. Matt's in the chat, and he says that they explicitly cites Burnham and the Andrew Schultz interview. Yeah. We also, we had Jim Bob in the chat as well. I don't know if he's still around. Jim, if you ever want to come on the show, just reach out to me.

We'll search you out, but I'd love to have you on. The whole idea, I think a lot of people have realized that we need something different, that we need, that it isn't enough to adjust what's the regime that's in power now. It basically has to be supplanted. And the only way you can supplant it. Some people are saying, well, it'll just fall apart. Okay. If it falls apart, what's going to take its place?

Your ideology that you haven't built upon, that you haven't done anything, or could it possibly be these people who are building out an alternative? I mean, they have alternative defense. They're building their own defense departments. All you have to do is follow the right people. that, you know, people that Matt told me to follow on Twitter, and you could see what they're building. Just research Peter Thiel and look into, like, look at Prospera. Look at a few of those, these initiatives.

Look at, what was it, Peter Thiel's basically private CIA is, name escapes me right now. I'm sure Matt helped me out in the chat. But yeah, these guys are building this thing. And this is what Matt and I are talking about, That's why we're rereading patchwork and putting it together with civilizational capital is that I believe these people are looking, either they're reading Yarvan and agree with him or at least using aspects of Yarvan.

Right. It's part of the group. Who knows what, but there's too many overlays. There's too many similarities of what they're doing in connection to patchwork to just go, oh, it's just whatever. Like, no, if Peter Thiel's doing something, you better, you better fucking check it out. You better be aware of it at least and maybe start to make plans. If you're against it, great,

put the fuck out and move to, I don't know, Brazil or something, right? Like, pick a place and go live in the woods. But these things are happening. And they're going to happen with or without you. So it'd be kind of better if you start making plans and figuring things out so that you can at least operate and stay on the board. Even if you're against them all.

Like, Elon Musk is going to enslave or, okay, well, then, okay, how do you make sure you're not one part with the people who are being enslaved? How do you make sure you and your tribe or your clan aren't going to be negatively affected by this? Or could maybe prosper? You're going to sit there and go show them to an estate and go, you can't do this. It's aggression. It's like, fuck you.

You deserve to be eaten at this point. You deserve it. If people want to know how you do this, I mean, you go read, you could read it in three or four hours, Peter Thiel zero to one. You do not build upon. what came previous, you build something different. You go from zero to one. You don't build, you don't start at one and go, okay, here, this is 1.1, 1.2, 1.3. No, it has to be completely changed.

So, I mean, that's, I mean, and I'm looking at these guys and I'm like, I don't know that I agree with them on 60%. but what I see is looks a lot better than it looks it looks it looks like it'll be run a lot more orderly than liberal than what liberalism is now because once you have order once you have order you can build from order sorry no no no you're right you're no you're good um yeah you just you have to look at what do you want order that's what I want I want order we said this with Yarvin when he's on the Joe Rogan friend or fed we did with with with you and me and and Yarvin when I said to him like look the desire we need to substantiate is is an order

as a desire for order and everyone wants their own particular brand of order but I'm like fuck that just get order like any order will do at this point uh one I said I should I should I'll caveat that an order that doesn't take you off the board right right that's what you that's what you want is an Orthodox Christian and I think he made the example is Yeah, if you, if tomorrow you could live in an orderly Lutheran society, that would be fine. Like it would be like maybe not your perfect thing. But at least you're like, okay, the Lutherans aren't going to come after me. Like they're not, you know, they're not all that interested in excluding me completely from the conversation.

And even if they are, hey, my daughter's not going to get gang raped. So fine. Like that's good, you know. A Do says the people in Maui were probably happy with their little community and didn't want to change it. Everybody has this like ego about them that they think that if they build something, it's going to be so special that somebody's going to show up and destroy it because I'm so special. You're not. You're not. You're not.

You're this. You're this and you're not. You're nothing. You're nothing. Why are you thinking you're so special that you're, if I build something special, the government's going to come and they're going to destroy it. Then rebuild it.

When did that? Just like make a sandcastle. Oh, no, the ocean docked it over. Yeah, you build another one and another one and another one and another one. You just keep building it, assholes. Like, just keep going. What this is is defeatism. It's just, I mean, literally,

You have two choices at this point. Go live in, go and live in the literal woods. I mean, I live out in the middle of nowhere. I don't live out in the middle of nowhere, but I'm pretty close to that in the middle of nowhere. Go live in the woods and, you know, do your Ted Kaczynski thing or just fucking kill yourself. I mean, literally, I mean, what's the point of living if you think that you're going to build something and that somebody's going to come along and fucking destroy it for you? What hope do you have in life?

What hope? But here's the thing, is my position, Pete, when we're talking about civilization capital and how Matt and are building towards something, and we'll talk about it maybe off stream because I think we can get you on board with this and you're going to like it. But one of the foundational things I keep saying to people is like, look, I want to get you on board on this thing. It's going to be generational. We're not going to see the end of it in our lifetime. And the other thing I'm telling you is it's going to fail on a long enough time frame. I guarantee it. Like all civilizations do.

The thing that we keep doing is we're modeling the city of God. And we're moving and we're basically saying this is a pebble, right? One more pebble to raise the water so the crow can drink. It's just we're getting closer. And it's going to be a generational, multi-generational thousand, 10,000, how many thousands of years process that we just keep moving forward. Because we're civils. We build.

Why? Because we're civils. That's what we do. We will not live in, shitty mud huts. I will refuse to live in the fucking pod. I will not eat the fucking bugs. It's not going to fucking happen. You can come and kill me. You can martyr me. Fine. Martyr me. But it's not going to happen. We're just saying no. And then, but it's not enough to say no. It's you have to say no. And then we're like, no. And we're going to do this other thing.

And we're going to start building civilizational capital. And we're going to start building villages and town. We're going to get a tribe together. And then from the tribe, we're going to build a village, from the village we're going to build a town, and from the town we're going to build a city, and that city's going to build a civilization and go fuck yourself. Like, that's what we do. And, and I'm encouraging everybody from all walks of life. You want to, you want to put your reggio, your God as Odin and do that. Fantastic. Have at it, man. Because either you succeed at something and I'll be studying it or you fail and I'll be studying that too. Give me data, right? Get a million of them out there. We'll prolet it online. We'll run the beta test online.

show me, show me where I'm wrong. Go ahead. Because I'm going to take all your data. I'm going to put it in my civilization and I'm going to rebuild it, build a bigger, better, and stronger. At all steps of the way. And that's what we're going to do, because I'm sick and tired of sitting around and complaining.

Or it's the same thing with podcasts. Like, you know, Pete, I love your show. I watch your show all the time. You know, it's been a big model for me. But at some point, and I'm sure you feel this too, at some point, it's like, are we just talking here? Like is this just what good is this? Where's the praxis?

Like if, if, you know, one of the weird things you get to a certain point and people start reaching out to you and start saying like, as you know, and you do whole shows about this, where people reach out and to you and say,

you've helped me get through X, X, Y, Z. And that's very positive. And I want to take that and build on that. Because what we have here, we have 94 people watching on YouTube and across platforms. Thank you very much who's watching and responding.

You know, I've been seeing incredible growth. Your show is just pure fire. We got Thomas, we got all these other people. We have people. We have people. What do we do with these people? It's just not just like, let's inspire you to know who the enemy is. It's like, how do we inspire you to build and tell the enemy to fucking kick sand?

That's what I want to do. And I think that's what you want to do. And I think that's what a lot of people want to do. that we need to build because that's the one thing that this enemy class, the stupid regime, this crumbling liberal individual, bullshit thing is they're not building anything. I don't see it.

No, no, they're not. Yeah, I mean, that's it. It's just time to start building to figure out exactly what needs to be done. Either this thing is going to fall apart or it's going to keep going and it's going to keep

getting weaker. And there's no, we can't rely on anything. Yeah, it's I think we can wrap up there. Pete, I don't know if I'll send an invitation. I'm going to do a post show hang.

Sure. We'll wrap up here. I'll set that up. I'll send you the invite. Matt, if you want to jump in on there too. Anyone who's signed up, it's $2 to sign up to our members only. There's links are in description below. You can find us there.

I'll send it out. I got to go use the facilities and all that stuff. and we'll reconvene here in about 15 or so minutes. We'll continue this. If Matt wants to get in here, we'll get you on board. We'll start laying out some civilizational capital stuff for you, Pete. I think you're going to like this one. Thank you for everyone is watching.

Pete, please tell people where they can find you or they can consume some more of Pete Canonas, get that rub. I have two very easy URLs for the podcast, peteq.com. and for the substack, Pete'substack.com. That's it. Follow them, folks. Give me some money, your money. Just so you guys know, when you sign up, you either give me super chats or you sign up to the members only and that stuff,

a lot of that money goes out to guys like Pete, ties like Thomas. I always make and make sure that I sign up the monthly or the yearly subscribers because I think it's important. We've got to support each other and create our own ecosystem. and I do what I can. So I appreciate you all. You know,

either support them directly or support them through me, as you will. Love you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you, Pete. As always a pleasure, I'll talk to you again soon.