The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1021: Pete and Thomas777 Discuss the Latest News

Episode Date: March 3, 2024

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Yeah. Yeah. So I thought this would be good to hit about a month and a half, two months ago. We hit some current events, talked about the election and stuff like that, what you thought the election was going to look like this year. And I thought I just want to hit something that's like more like in the news recently. and get your comments on it. And the first thing is, it comes out this week that the CDC announces,

treat COVID like the flu, and basically saying that there was really nothing different than the flu all of this time. That's the way they made it appear. So what's your take on it? What I said at the time, particularly my context was, you know, the aftermath of the 2020 election. That was kind of a one-off or a one-shot deal,

confabulating this emergency around this imaginary pandemic. It's not the kind of thing that can be endlessly duplicated, even when you're talking about the population that's really pretty malleable and will tolerate a lot of overreach. It's just the problem, and I don't want to be crude about, about this the problem is if you're going to declare a pandemic's underway you got to be able to produce some bodies okay I'm constantly making the point to people when they say oh are you saying COVID was fake no I'm not saying that what I'm saying is that

well within living memory things like the 1968 flu colloquially called the Hong Kong flu casualties were so severe that you know I've relayed the anecdote before that in West Germany particularly in West Berlin, you know, mortuary services are so overwhelmed, bodies were being housed in the subway tunnels, like not in plain view, but people knew that that was, that's what was behind these curtains that were set up, and it created this whole scandal. But that's how many people were dying, and I think all told, you know, there was, about a million people died, you know, and not just, not just elderly people, you know,

to like working age people. I know that in London, like the mail service was suspended for several weeks because they didn't have enough people to come to work. You know, um, and nobody suggested when this was underway, oh,

don't leave your house. We're going to shut down the economy because you might get sick. That's not how you handle something like that. Like, you don't throw your hands up and say, we're going to stop life. I mean, you don't even do that when you're at war.

You know, I mean, like there was even um you know in instances i guess 1963 or 1962 would be 973 was different because there wasn't this there there wasn't this ongoing crisis but you know it's not like the kennedy white house or cdc was saying we may be at nuclear war in a few days don't leave your house and nobody go to work and nobody do anything like that's not how you handle a situation like that um So, I mean, there's that. And also, you know, like I said at the time, not only did not know anybody who died from COVID, and I live in a greater metropolitan area of over 5 million people. I didn't know anybody who knew anybody who died of COVID. I didn't know anybody who knew of anybody who died of COVID. I know of one person who possibly died from it, but she was in her 80s and she'd been in a nursing home for over a decade. You know,

so you can't really try and duplicate that sort of ledgered main again because it's like, okay, so every couple years, there's a pandemic where nobody dies? Like, how does that work exactly? Like, what's the risk that we're guarding against them? So there's that. Also, what they did to Fauci is kind of what they're doing to Biden now. Like, if you notice how like the establishments all suddenly turned against Biden and, like, decided they don't like him, they're doing that because they're real.

that they're not going to be able to reinstall them as an incumbent. They're either going to have to just let Trump have the White House or they're going to have to replace them with somebody with a man who can actually play the role. So anything bad moving forward, whether it's, you know, the migrant crisis or whether it's, you know, these unpopular measures relating to like student loans

and things, they're all going to say, oh, that was Joe Biden because he was a terrible president. Okay, well, anything that's, fucks up now, anything that comes out about how ridiculous COVID was, oh, Mr. Fauci's a bad man, he lied to us. That's what that's about. And that's why he doesn't, that's why we don't listen to him anymore. Like, that's how they're

going to finesse it. Okay. So that's, that's my take on it. And, um, I think, uh, even accounting for the kind of, you know, I'm always making a point that the Hoy-Polloy these days, you know, it's not like the, it's not like the, the kind of the voting public or the infotainment.

you know the primary infotainment consumer demographic it's it's not like in the 80s like they were wise or i had good sense but they're like literally mentally retarded today compared to them you know and they literally have the memory of like a mayfly but just the same um you know the COVID thing went on for so long that that does kind of stick in people's memory in a stubborn way um you know that's one of the rare things they can't just pretend didn't happen in absolute terms you know so they're going to play it as you know mr fouchy lied to us and that was a mistake for us to listen to him because he's a bad man you know um that's my take on it but it uh the only thing really surprised about co-evident it didn't surprise me at all that they that the regime

was um was suggesting something really really really stupid because they because they because incompetent in the last, you know, since the Clinton years. What surprised me is how, like, presumably rational, like, adult people were telling me, like, months into the thing, like, a deadly epidemic was underway. And so I got to ask, you know, I'd be like, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but, you know, have you lost anybody in your family? No. Have you lost anybody in your workplace?

No. Any friends or loved ones? No. Okay. And I try and get them kind of, like, connect the dots. And, like, they wouldn't. you know it's like okay so what are you guarding against like I even at Glenview Library they called the police on me because like I wouldn't wear a mask

like I had a bandit rag in my pocket I was just like fucking tired of it so I said a lady I'm like look I'm like just admit that it's stupid and I'll put it on just like admit that it doesn't make any sense and I'll put it on and she's like no I'm not gonna admit that I'm like lady just admit it doesn't make sense and she like would not do it and I was just trying to be an asshole I was actually like trying to like learn something from the experience you know like wow like this this lady is like so committed to kind of like forcing herself to believe this she's like getting mad at me you know I mean I wasn't so much that she was mad at me for not like masking up and

the cops came and they were actually cool about it they like laughed about and they're like look man just like come back like leave and come back but she's not here or just like put it on like we're not going to arrest you but like please stop causing problems I'm okay I'll leave but um I mean that's our point nothing my point is that it's um you know the uh and i mean that was weird too because you know like i got raised the people i mean let's say let's say there was like a real epidemic underway if magical masks don't stop you from getting sick you know just like putting um they're like putting a vial of holy water under your pillow doesn't make you rich or doesn't make the tooth very calm or something i mean it's like why it's

like okay so if if these measures were you know believable or credible you know if it's be like okay like I you know I it's it's it's alarming that people are willing to you know shelter in place but like the fact that people like accepted the whole charade and just like how stupid it was was kind of shocking to me but but I don't think it can be duplicated again because there's not you know even considering what I just said at some point you know like reason does creep into the most kind of dull minds and you know, they have to produce bodies. Again, I'm not trying to be crass about people dying.

And if somebody had, like, an elderly relative or a sick person or their family who died from it, I'm not trying to be mean about that or say, or be gross. But my point is that, you know, this was not something mass casualty event. And if what they said was underway was underway, there would have been thousands of people in a city the size of the one I live in who died. and I would have been seeing it everywhere. You know, so that, I mean, that's my take on it. I realize I was a bit scared.

No, it's fun. I know you sort of just mentioned this, but were you really shocked by how, you know, the American public just took to it so many, you know, I mean, it depended really where you were. You know, there's a lot of places that people were just like, all right, no, screw this. This isn't going to happen. But I mean the fact that there's so many from like the cities and the urban areas and the suburban areas just like it became it became like, you know, people putting bumper stickers on their car to support the latest war. Well, there's another thing too, and I make this point to people, and I refer them to Kerry Mullis, who literally invented the PCR test. Okay and Peter Dewsburg who's something of a controversial figure but Mollis wasn't he's dead now but

The point they both used to think about Fauci and this was way back in the early 90s Fauci's a career crank okay you know what Fauci's deal was after after the after the after polio was eradicated Or as smallpox was eradicated and polio was was was cured the public health health administration basically put itself out of business it was really much tantamount to the end of the cold war for the defense establishment yeah these young doctors like Fauci these kind of like middling mediocre medical types who then like had kind of like nowhere to get siphoned into so Fauci declared that he got a bunch of grant money because he said he was on to the fact that cancer is caused by a virus and if you can find the constellation of viruses that caused cancer we can

fight it and we can cure it within all our lifetimes. So he blew through a bunch of money, produced absolutely nothing, and he became this laughing stock, you know, like Fauci the Crank. Then he reinvents himself 20 years later saying, I know what's killing all these gay guys in New York and Los Angeles in Chicago. It's this super sexually transmitted disease called AIDS, and it's only caused by HIV. And there's going to be millions dead by the year 2000. you know men, women, kids, you know, everybody. There's going to be 50 million people dead by the year 2000. And, you know, don't even think about having sex without a condom.

And that'll prevent you for getting this super virus. Like, people believe this garbage. You know, and he was the guy also pushing AZT, which interestingly, it was a cancer drug that got pulled because it was killing patients. Okay. And I don't want to start some debate about what is age or does AIDS exist. I don't want to get into that. I'm not a doctor. What all I'll say is that the way it was presented was obviously laughable.

And this guy is literally a career crank. You know, why is he still among us? You know, like it's, I mean, I guess it serves a useful purpose that I just said. You know, when the government realizes it's fucked up or when it realizes its overreach is breeding resentment, he's this kind of dummy they trot out and say, this is the bad guy, he did it. But it's incredible with this man,

this man shouldn't even be working as a veterinarian. He shouldn't even be working as a dog catcher. You know, he's a crank. He's a crazy person. You know, so there's that too. But it's also, and only changed gears a little bit, but remain in the same sort of wheelhouse. I was in the greater D.C. area pretty much through all of COVID,

and through like I was in the digital January 6 and afterwards. And I took video of this, but like they, I can't find it anymore. It's on a hard drive. It was on my first Twitter account that, you know, obviously it was like moogs. But it's on a hard drive that I backed it up on one of these laptops that somebody that shit the bed. I got to try and rip the data off it one day. But I was in January 7th.

I went back to D.C. Because I wasn't able to go home in the 6th. about craziness and uh it was full of the national guard and like it was it was eerie as hell because nobody was there but like when i when i did some bird at union station and dc you know i walk up the stairs people who know that dc know what i'm talking about and as i walked towards the national mall um everything was like fenced in and there's concertina wire on top of it you catch them in the corner of your eye distinctive by design They move you even before you drive.

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You're safe here. So I got through him kind of like a mock salute. And there's nobody on the street, but this really down and out black guy. And he's like, hey, man, can I see a lighter? And I gave him like a big lighter because I was going to hand some. fucking hobo my zippo and he takes it he starts like smoking a crack rock and i'm like i wouldn't be doing that man like the u.s. armies over there he's like man they don't care of what we do man they don't care since the police left and i'm like what do mean the police like yeah man all the

police left and then they came and they don't care if you'd be smoking shit and i'm like this is like this still doesn't have a narco tyranny there's like a guy like smoking crack 20 feet from this army captain the police are all gone and this army captain's convinced like a civil war is underway or something or that like I'm worried I'm not safe it's like some event that's only happening in his mind is underway that is like no rational relationship to reality and it was really really really weird and uh that was kind of like in the same vein as COVID you know it's like everybody's hiding in their house saying that there's a deadly disease all around that nobody's actually dying from and if you don't wear your magic mask you're an idiot

you know it was like everybody like lost their fucking mind collectively not just about COVID but about like all kinds of things you know and uh like I'm not exaggerating I uploaded that shit on you on fucking Twitter man like what I'm talking about oh dude I was in I was in Atlanta airport on January 7th 2021 and there were whole there were whole gates filled with guard with guard um and soldiers headed up to headed to DC yeah it was insane it's like what do you um And I realize the National Guard, I mean, I'm sure there's, I should there's some dedicated guys there. And I'm sure there's some real, like, NCOs and an elicit man who actually can handle themselves in a firefight. But these guys worthy, for better or worse, whatever you think of their competence or lack thereof.

This was, like, an infantry element, National Guard presence. This wasn't just, like, guys. This wasn't just like FEMA guys in uniform or, like, bureaucrats. at the preats playing war. It's like they deployed these guys as if some sort of like actual like combat emergency was underway to like stand around, I guess, and reassure like people like me getting off the train. You know, but it's like, but that was like totally performative too. It's like, okay, so if there's some like national emergency underway or like some great terror threat, why even letting me walk around? Why letting this freaking crack Ovo walk around? Like why, why are you like, why are you actually shutting things down? It's like doing this weird

kind of performative thing where it's like we pretend that like this shit's underway but not really i'm sorry my camera's fallen and then um you know everybody kind of like insist that uh everybody kind of insists that you know it's an emergency but you know nothing really comes of it but you just must like maintain that it's happening like i like i said it's very surreal man like surreal is the best way to describe it now let's take uh do a couple super super chat's here um arthur reimbow three says yeah he said i was watching drive but decided to stop in for the stream also i might have a hiderger book to send to you thomas yeah man it's um yeah if it's if it's being in time keep it for your like keep it for yourself to read it but it's also i literally have like

having copies of being in time um but if it's anything else uh yeah definitely send it But you read it first, though. That's my only caveat. And thank you, man. Constest, Krieg makes a comment here. He says the fence perimeter they put up around the White House was bizarre. I don't know that they put, I know they put one up around the Capitol. And I really liked that fence being up around the Capitol because it just really showed that they were illogic, that that's what an illegitimate government does.

Yeah. And we, yeah, we, we fence ourselves in and act like afraid of the public. I don't know if there was one around the White House. I mean, I'm sure there might have been. I didn't go to the White House. It was around the capital in the mall area. And, you know, I, I didn't want to get, I don't want to get, I mean, I was thinking, I got some good footage of these, of these guardsmen and stuff, but I didn't, I didn't want to get too conspicuous.

And then I'm, like, get mad at me. So, like, that's why I didn't, I didn't want to creep on the White House. But, yeah, I don't know if there was or not, but I, it would not surprise. me. Yeah, that makes sense. Super chat over on entropy. Trouble Armstrong says, have you seen Dune 2 yet? I started watching it, and I was going to have a, I wasn't feeling well the other day. I got a, I mean, I, that director, I always butcher his name, Villanue. I'm a huge fan of his obviously, you know, like 2049 is brilliant. He's not a bunch of brilliant stuff. Those new Dune movies aren't like they're not like shit but there's not i don't think you can film dune i think it's too

conceptual but the only thing lynch dune had going for it was the optics and that's why as i've said before on all the newer editions of the dune books like the originals as well as uh like brian herbert's uh prequels you notice how like the optics are all from lynch dune like the harconans have like red hair and they wear like leather and like house of tradies as like the red hawk the optics are like off and the new dune just looks like the future and it's like the baron arconin he's just this kind of like he's just this kind of like generic like bad guy who like looks kind of like a fat like mob guy or something like it's not what he is like what they nailed in like he's an incredibly he's an incredibly sinister character and he's like viscerally revolting you know and he's he's he's he's a he's a he's a

homosexual but he's also like a like a predator so he like he like assaults like men and boys and he's got like all these bizarre diseases because Gidey Prime they've destroyed their photosynthetic potential that's why there is they need Iraqis because like they're world denying but like the barren sickness is one part you know the carcinogenic like

environment he lives in and also the fact that you know he's he's syphytic he's a predatory gay guy that'd probably be politically incorrect these days to portray him that way but and like it's also and Paul in the new ones is too he looks too much

like a kid. The problem of Lynch Dune is Comaclawkin was too old. But Paul Atreides, he's a genetically engineered super being. Like, he's got the body of a man and like the physicality of a man. That's how like at 15, you can go like toe to toe with like Fremen warriors and kill him. Like the guy in the Dune where he's now, like

looks like a little kid or something. He looks like you look at some kid from stranger things. And that's fucking retarded. But they did do something's right. Like in the original villain O'Doon, like, you know, the Sardukar, like, blood ritual, that's dope. And the one, like, the Sardukar, like, fight the Atreides.

Like, the Sardukar, like, they just, they're outnumbered, but they basically practice, like, you know, the kind of super infantry version of deep battle. And, like, the Atreides, like, skirmish, like, like, hoplites. Like, that's how I, like, imagine them fighting. And, like, the Sartrecault, they got, like, no reason to run. you know because like rage weapons aren't going to work with with shield so they just like they basically just like march forward in formation and like slaughter everything in front of them um and like as they like crush you like they start out flanking you and like absorb you into the center and then like cut you to pieces and like that's cool they portrayed that it wasn't like

it wasn't like gay stuff like people flying on wires and like 90 pound girls like jump kicking guys and the balls like it wasn't stupid it was like actually how it's supposed to be um so yeah i mean It's not like garbage, but it's not really good, like either of those movies. But I got to finish watching Dune 2, Electric Bougaloo. Yeah, he called it Dune 2, Pouti Teng. Yeah, I said I said that like even by in Villanoo's canon, like according to Villanu Pouti Teng is canon in Dune. He also asked what's your, what's your thoughts on human level AI in 10 to 20 years, any impact on power politics and humanity overall?

my take on scary AI is this it's about 40 years out of date the big threat of AI was what was portrayed in movies like war games and with stuff like um and uh and stuff like uh Jesus Christ I'm fucking um the guy wrote I have no mouth and I must scream um how are Harlan Ellison the big the big risk of AI was that

the bizarre configuration of the conflict diet between the United States and the Soviet Union it lent itself to uniquely binary outcomes and as nuclear war became more

as planning and waging a nuclear war became more and more complicated and more highly scaled and the window of effective decision making exponentially shrank like human decision makers were increasingly sidelined. And something had dropped off, when he gave, when he dropped up gave his big speech in 1982,

right when he became General Secretary. And he said that we're going to lose the Cold War unless we dramatically, unless something dramatic, we're able to pull off something dramatic to close the computing gap between us and America. Pst, did you know, those Black Friday deals everyone's talking about? They're right here at Beacon South Quarter.

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possible responses, decide on the response, and implement that response. So, short story long, the trajectory of AI as applied to strategic matters was we need computers that not just can act in the executive assault role in commanding control of nuclear weapons, but they can identify war indicators before the enemy even starts to act. like if A, B, and C input are only present when the Soviet Union is imminently going to assault, you know, the computer tells you that. But this raises a problem. Like, when do you attack preemptively?

Is it when, like, the odds of, like, a Warsaw Pact nuclear attack are over 50%, when it's 90%, when it's anything over 1%. Like, that's the problem. And the internal logic, a nuclear war says you could even make the case that not annihilating your enemy preemptively just now because any, you know, like waiting simply disadvantages you, you know, and a machine would reach that conclusion pretty rapidly. I mean, that's what the movie Worthing is about. Except Wargians put it on and turn it on his head. Like a machine, we don't obviously have machines

like that, they can think like that, but a machine that could think like that, it wouldn't say the only way to win is not to play. It would say the only way to win is to kill my opponent now and not wait for war indicators, war indicators to emerge. I'm going to destroy him now. And if anything, you know, like Thomas Power said, if there's one American left and no Soviets,

I win. So I will attack him now and as long as some command and control element that can turn me off or like feed me power as alive, I win. So like AI, I now, yeah, a lot more is possible now, but there's not a cold war. There's not some discreet application of it of a strategic nature that has, whose domain is that uniquely binary singular dyad, that if triggered into hot war mode leads to, you know, 100 million dead people, that's not on the table.

so like what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's what's scary about AI you know I mean is it dehumanizing I mean maybe well kind of things are dehumanizing the big immediate issue and you know I know I know people disagree with me on this but they sound like the fucking teamsters union or something look in 2030 years definitely in your guys lifetime possibly in mine there's not like over the road commerce is going to be unmanned like there's not going to be truck drivers

anymore there's not going to be people there's not be guys who operate commuter trains this is all going away that's going to put a huge amount of people out of work okay um and it's going to go like that like in a hundred years there's not really going to be like work for people to do other than um there's going to be guys whose job it is to maintain you know the like like amazon's like software and stuff there's going to be guys whose job it is the you know provide security for rich people you know it's going to be there's going to be There's still going to be demand for like design engineers and stuff who can like, you know, figure out how to build like a, you know, an electric pickup truck for Tesla.

But that's it. There's not going to be truck drivers. It's not going to be train engineers. There's not going to be Uber drivers. There's not going to be. There's not even going to be like the two ladies who work at McDonald's who like, you know, bring your food up after you enter in a computer where you want to eat. Like it's just going to, you know, there's going to be like, it's going to be,

um, yeah, like even that's that's just going to be automatic. You know, there's literally going to be, it's going to be like the Japanese dark factories. Instead, it's going to be like some little robot hand, like flipping your burger and then putting it together, then like shoving it down and shoot. That's the big, like, danger. It's not, it's not similar to like 40 years ago. It's that it's going to, it's really going to fuck people who are basically like working poor and like lower middle class.

And I think the people who think that it's, oh, they'll always be jobs for humans to do. they think about their whole take on life as competition. The business will always be competition where, you know, when you read people like Peter Teal, Peter Teal's like, no, monopoly is the only way to innovate. You know, you create a monopoly, and the way you create a monopoly is by doing something that's never been done before. And when you do something that's never been done before, humanity leaps forward so fast that it leaves all of this competition bullshit in our brains behind.

Yeah, exactly. Well, it's also, too, people don't understand that, just compared it from the 70s to know. There's so much rugby on Sports Extra from Sky. They've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end. Here goes. This winter sports extra is jam-packed with rugby.

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interior roof stuff that always like sagged down. You know, it was like, it was some other guy's job, like literally hang the doors and like hammer in the, uh, freaking hinges. Like that's, that's done. That's been done for decades. You know, there was a, there was a, the Ford Motor, plant in Deerbor, I guess. It was Deerborn, right?

Yeah. Yeah. They had a steel foundry on site and they employed over 90,000 people at that factory. Like, think about that. That's like inconceal now, like a place for 90, like a brick and mortar factory where 90,000 people work.

I mean, like that, that's a city. That's a city that produces cars. You know, I mean, that's, so people think it's like science fiction. It's like it already happened. If you took a guy from 1950, like even a guy who was like, like,

even a guy like Robert McNamara, like a type like that, was like very savvy about technology, about production at scale and essentialities. And you like dropped him into 2024. He like, think he was in some dystopian hell where labor had already been abolished.

He'd be like nobody does anything. People don't leave their house. Like, you know, there's no more work anymore. Like that, it's like already happened, frankly, man.

I mean, that's, so yeah. Yeah. I got Douglas Nate over on on entropy says Steve Dease just posted on X about this being the last election before the boomers lose relevance. He also foresees a three-way split among the Christian right towards boomer cons, disengagement, and insulation and aggressiveness. Do you see that as a possibility? Yeah, I think that's I think that's the second point. think is very true. The former point, I think boomerism is kind of overstated. And now,

I'm not, not our friend who just raised the question and not the tweet he cited. But, like, people, like, started calling any, like, any person, like, over 29, they don't like as a boomer. And, like, every ideology you don't like is boomerism. Like, actual boomers, these, like, these kinds of, like, these people came of age in 1968 or so. who have this kind of really crummy sort of Clinton-like view of the world as a you know this kind of like love of like unfettered profiteering coupled with this you know kind of like big government social engineering um like that that kind of thing like nobody supports that anymore like people think that's garbage and um the regime just kind of shambles on with that garbage not because like they're all boomers It's because that's basically the only way it can eke out, like, you know, some, like, some, like, alibi for why it still exists. It's the claim that, like, it's doing, is performing some imperative function with these things. I think, uh, the big, uh, the big paradigm shift, I think ever this election, despite what black pill people say, they know what the fuck they're talking about and disagree with me on this.

being basically right wing is going to become normal. Okay? Like not, maybe not the, like, I am, and maybe not, like, a lot of people identify dissident. But this is the first time since the Reagan era where basically, like, if you're, if you're, like, a middle class, like, white person or a adjacent, like, non-white peoples, you know,

like, you know, you're, like, looking at the world, basically, like, being a supply sider who's like a race realist and who you know doesn't trust the government and you know who basically basically you know identifies you know the left as like inimical to like everything in life that needs to be protected like that's that's going to become normal it's already becoming normal so that's going to be a big paradigm shift and um that's one of the reason that's so stupid that that uh the establishment like lost a little minds over trump like they could have like neutralized a lot of that energy if they just

kind of like ignored Trump and let him do his thing because like Trump doesn't do a whole lot but you know it would be like basically like the L that would be like see you like you people can have your way like look your guy's in the White House like never mind the fact he's not doing anything anything you try and tries to do they sandbag him

but I mean that's how you play the game but uh they're literally like sewing the seeds their own demise by like going utterly berserk and like fixing elections and like the most clumsy stupid fucking white possible instead of like, you know, actually, actually proceeding with some sort of aptitude for the Machiavillian side of the game. But those are very interesting points, man. And yeah,

that's, that's important. Arthur Rimbaud says the book is a collection of national socialist speeches and articles written by Heideger. Beautiful. Yeah, please send it. Yep. Johnny Appleseed says, to what extent do you think the regime wanted J6 to be bigger than it was? I think it was exactly what they wanted to well i don't think they if it had been an actual case of civil arrest arguably they weren't particularly well equipped to respond to that even on even in Washington DC but there was no chance that happening and that wasn't underway like i don't i think it's very opportunistic i think when they realized some kind of protest is going to be underway which is there's there's there's constantly protests on the national mall that's that's that's so

common as to be unremarkable. You know, I mean, I raise other examples in living memory, like the March and the Pentagon in 67, when literally 50,000 men, like military-age males producing the drafts said they were going to kick down the door of the Pentagon, they were met by the U.S. Army, you know, locked and loaded, and they decided they weren't going against the guns. But, you know, like the idea that this was unprecedented, I mean, that's all bullshit. I think I don't think it was particularly well planned on the regime side. I think what happened was, again, to get back to, you know, the, answering the question, the regime realized, okay, like, these Trump people are going to state, so I'm going to protest.

If we spin this right, let's pretend that it's like this outbreak of, like, violent lawlessness. And that's one way we can, you know, kind of try and solidify our mandate, which, frankly, is in the toilet because we didn't actually elect this fucking fool that we install we're going to install in the way to us. I think it was very opportunistic. So I had a question about, so growing technology, it's going to become everything. I think we've already agreed that we're going into, it doesn't necessarily have to be a technocracy, but technology is going to be at the forefront of everything. And you talked about, you're saying, okay, we're going to become more right wing. How do you see those two when you have this when you have a society that's really steeped in technology and probably being run by, you know, the like the people in Silicon Valley who are have more of an influence and maybe even have, you know, an incredible amount of political influence?

How do you see that marriage of, you know, the average man being able to be more right wing while. You see technology growing the way it does. The way it happened was this. In the past, there's something to what Marxist, Leninists, and some adjacent socialist types said about alienation from labor. There was something to that. What mitigated that was if you had a factory, like a Dearborn plant where tens of thousands of people toiled,

you know, middle management and in some cases even upper management were also like on that same site. There was like a basic kind of interdependence between the way categories of social categories of people live their lives. I think it was a term class in America because I think it's a floating signifier

and not particularly appropriate to our situation. But something that happened, especially in earnest in the last 30 years, like people in America began living very much parallel but not really intersecting lives. Like despite what people say about like diversity. Like America's like like massively segregated just because people like have made it that way, which isn't good or bad. It just is. But, um, you know, people being able to kind of like exist

literally in their own bubble. And some people literally, because like they work from home and, you know, they live in some geography at nowhere town. They only associate with, you know, people who they have some kind of ideological Congress with. That's basically happened to everybody, albeit for different reasons, you know. So, there's this incredible stratification on ideological lines but what the regime

has been doing for 30 years is basically saying anything that's white, anything that's Christian, anything that's sexually or socially or socially normal, that that's bad. These are bad people. 70 million people are bad in this country. And if you flogged that over and over and over and over and over and over again

and you demonize people like over and over and over and over and over again, not only are you going to like lose they're gonna like you're gonna lose all credibility with them but they're also gonna start like looking at you as like literally their enemy and like they're gonna they're gonna begin refusing to cooperate with you just like on principle and like that's what's happening okay um how does technology play into that technology facilitated a lot of what I just said okay um there's a lot of ways they're in a living now in unconventional ways and before I mean frankly that's like how I can get paid to write stuff and and shoot content and things but there's also even people who kind of have like a more like corporate type job. Like a lot of them are like working from home all the time. You know, they, they probably talk to like four or five people,

often just remotely or like their coworkers. You know, like you're, you're not, there's not as like interdependence between people that's either like moderating their views on both sides or, you know,

kind of giving them a basic, you know, whether they like it or not, you know, kind of conferring upon them like a basic, like common like American civic identity, which even the best of times would be fragile anyway, because those kinds of identities don't have like deep organic bases. But, I mean, that's such that technology is impactful on the fracturing I just described.

I believe that is why. Our friend here at The Myth of the 20th Century podcast made a good point on Twitter. It says analogy he uses to demonstrate the possibility of permanent obsolescence is the horse. Population of horses in America went down from something like two per 10 people in 1900 to less than two per 300 today. No, exactly. And like I said, it's, everybody says to me, oh, you can't have a self-driving truck.

You know, there'll be liability. It's like, man, like, there's already self-driving trucks for, like, the last, like, mile and a half of their, whatever you call it, of their, um, you know of their run okay like the idea that it's impossible to build a um a self-driving vehicle which i presume would would would would drive in over-the-row capacities and dedicated lanes you know reserve for automated traffic i mean it's it's ridiculous to claim that like this is somehow not possible okay um it's it's already here and uh you know the um that's why that's why That guy, Andrew Yang, is that his name, Andrew Yang?

He's kind of faded, but he was kind of like just like a corny liberal, but when he made the point about guaranteed basic income, people are like, oh, that's socialist. He's not talking socialist shit. Milton Friedman came up with that. Like what he was saying, not GBI, but like what he was saying is, look, he's like, moving forward when there truly is like nothing we're able to do workwise, you can either like get rid of these like alphabet welfare agencies. and just basically create like one entitlement that everybody gets regardless.

I mean, what are you going to do? You're going to force people to dig a hole for no reason and pretend to pay them for digging holes. Like this is reality. It's not socialism. You know, I mean, and plus too, like if you're Friedman, his old point was there shouldn't be Social Security. There shouldn't be Medicaid. There shouldn't be all this bullshit.

We should cut all that, just flush it on the fucking toilet, give people guaranteed basic income, and you cut outlays, exponentially. You know, if your whole fear is socialism, you should be behind the GBI, okay, because that way you can get rid of everything else. You know, I mean, I, it's, it's, it's common sense shit. But, um, I just, I just thought of Yang, not because he's just an even person, but it was interesting because that's, that's pure like Milton Friedman, he was talking about, like, on when he, when he, when he addressed that in, like, his public engagements, and he was right. Douglas Nate had another super chat over here on entropy.

He said, thanks for the book recommendations, Thomas. I've already listened to Armor and Tolan's biography of Hitler. Thank you for answering my previous question. And he said when he used the term Boomer Khan, he used it for brevity. Oh, no, no, no. The way he used it is fine. I was talking about other people who were stupid about it. No, boomer Khan's a real thing and they're awful.

And yeah, good. Armour and Tolan's biography of the furor are too like my very favorite books, so that's awesome. But you can't go wrong with either of those, man. Johnny Appleseed says, is class mobility less or more possible in America today? And how will the emerging technocracy influence that? I mean, class is a troublesome concept in America. There's so much rugby on Sports Exeter from Sky. They've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end.

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United States. It's easier to just to kind of pull money out of the air these days, okay? Like that's a fact. They can't be denied. I don't, there's a lot of people who have neither the creativity nor the hustle to do that. So I think the pattern

at scale is basically going to remain the same. And it's very, very possible to get rich, especially if you're a single man. comparatively. But if you have a family that changes everything, and the regime very much penalizes people for, like, having families,

that's always telling people, like, remove yourself from regime shit. You know, and that's one of the reason why I always emphasize social capital as a true foundation of wealth, you know, and it's working. I'm seeing it all around me with our friends, you know, who are starting families and stuff. But I think the myth of upward mobility, I mean, people kind of like are what they are and kind of are like where they are. I mean, there's rare cases of like truly like oppressive governments. And you lived like, if you lived in like the Soviet Union 1960, it's like, yeah, unless you were connected, like you weren't doing shit. Or if you live in like Venezuela today,

you're going to be poor and there's just like nothing there. And you've got a, you've got like a military junta running things. You've got some, some kleptogracy. that snaps up like whatever wealth there is so you're just like you're just not going to be shit you're just going to be poor absent circumstances like that where they're actually in conditions and in relatively wealthy countries where uh regular people do have some capacity to you know to stack money up just if they have good hustle i i think not a lot changes okay i think people basically kind of like are where they are and what they are um most guys aren't going to like make exponentially more money than their dad.

Or, you know, I mean, it's, it's like, like, everybody loves Horatio Alger-type anecdotes. It's like, oh, this guy's dad was like a cab driver in Detroit, 1960. And then his son became like a billionaire. Like, okay, yeah, that happens. But like fuckers also win the lottery. Like, guys also get struck by lightning. You know what I mean? Like, the fact that it's possible does not make it remotely likely.

That's my take. All right. let's get back to something in the news. So I'm sure you've seen it. Hundreds of people show up for relief in Gaza and basically get mowed down by the IDF. Now that this thing keeps going on and on and you're seeing more and you're witnessing more, what do you think's happening there?

It's a totally out of control situation for the Israelis. and something I've been saying since 2006 or 2007, you can't, the Israelis are not capable of working with anybody. They managed to make an enemy of literally every other faction in the battle space, or like within the local theater. You can't do that and survive, but that's exactly what they've done. you know, the only way they the only way they could have mitigated this

burgeoning crisis, I don't mean like in immediate terms, I mean like metaphorically speaking, the global crisis that they face, like their existential crisis, immediately, and then you know, should have assaulted with everything he had, and then worried about the optics later, and done damage control later. Instead, he did the opposite.

Instead, he dropped a bunch of bigoted hard talk, said a bunch of crazy inflammatory things, made basically everybody on this planet really, really, really angry. And then he ordered a half measure. And when that blew up in his face, he started ordering his forces to indiscriminately kill people. So I pretty much did every step of the way.

And then he always, like, made the worst possible decision. in political as well as a tactical and ultimately grand strategic terms. The Israelis are fighting a Ross and Krieg against Palestinians, and that's indisputable. And they're not going to be able to, they're not going to be able to sustain that. you know um so Israel as we know it as a Zionist state

with some absolute mandate to preserve you know the purity of the Jewish race or whatever like Jewish blood that's over with nobody's going to pretend that's legitimate whatever again and um no American president this isn't in 1973

where there's a you know a constellation of Arab states armed to the teeth by the Soviet Union who itself has designs on the region you know that's not underway today so nobody if whether it's whether it's you know some fucking buffoon like Biden

or whether it's a president who actually has some credibility it'd be unthinkable for for any man in the old office is the order that we're going to like we're going to rescue Israel and like save it as a racial state that's never going to happen So everything has changed. Unfortunately, this is going to go on for a while, and a lot more people are going to needlessly die. Just just for this sake, because Zionism refuses to go down without taking a lot of people with it.

I want to thank Paladin for the generous super chat on Rumble. And then Johnny Applesee came back and says, do you think on the Israelis part is this just cynicism and desperation? Yeah, it's also, I'm not somebody who's this. I realize these people are like my people's enemies, these railways I mean, but I'm not, I'm not somebody who just sits here and pontificates for an ideological perspective. Like these IDF guys in theater have a terrible problem on their hands. You know, like, and I, they want to get home alive. They don't want to, they don't want to die in Gaza. So when in doubt, they're just lighting people up.

And plus, too, like, the whole battle space is a free fire zone. Like what we would have considered, you know, in Namera ROE doctor in as a free fire zone. There aren't any friendlies there. Even old women or little boys, you know, under fighting age, they're obviously providing aid and comfort to opt for. so you've got to kill them too. I'm talking about the bound originality of the idea of a mission. Obviously, I'm not saying, anybody who knows me knows what I feel about Israel,

so I'm obviously not like, I'm not apologizing for their brutality. So please nobody gets stupid and say that I am because that'd be totally retarded. But I understand, like, why at squad or platoon level, IDF is behaving that way, but it's also, you know, the, it's it's tantamount to like what the sADF was dealing with with like a township rebellion but the

saddF realized you have to have allies you know so they did you know um Israel's uh Israel's like at its worse in a crisis it like because then like the mass totally drops you realize like these people aren't civilized they can't they literally can't get along with anybody to them everybody but themselves is like some subhuman they're like in capable of contemplating anybody else like has some legitimate political interest and anything like you know it's they're there they're as bad as the ukrainians and ukrainians are their puppets so that that shouldn't surprise anybody our our buddy um arthur rimboa once again mentioned and i guess um let's get your take on this what about that dude that lit him on let himself on fire in front of the uh

israeli embassy i didn't think anybody still did that anymore number one um Number two, something I tried to point out to these people who have no common sense and see like, oh, supporting Kovosteis, what liberals do. Guys like this guy, they don't, if these guys actually knew Palestinian people or know anything about Islam or knew how Palestinian Christians came at the world or knew like what the Alewite steak is in this, like they'd go crazy and like love Israel because like they hate religious people. They hate, you know, people who have the kinds of cultures that are oriented the way and your ancient cultures are. like this guy this guy's obviously some disturbed like mental case who like only like whatever infotamity's watching like he decided like he's like on the side of Palestine um and like I said it seemed like a I mean obviously anybody who does that they're trying to channel um you know the Buddhist monk who who committed suicide or emulated himself in Saigon which is really

horrible footage and like I don't it's I don't I don't know what to make of that I mean I'm I'm a very religious person. There's so much rugby on Sports Extra from Sky. They've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end. Here goes. This winter sports extra is jam-packed with rugby. For the first time we've got every Champions Cup match exclusively live,

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That's kind of my room one-on-one terror. But I don't... The whole thing was just, like, gross and idiotic. And, you know, it didn't... There actually was a context for the Buddhist monk doing it, particularly if... I've got a total gillotence understanding of Buddhism, but it...

You know, the... Like, you know, like, it's... Suicide is, like a different significance, especially to a monk, especially in that faith tradition. So it was... These guys are fucking idiots. I think the one thing that stood out to me was the reaction. There were a lot of people who were just praising this guy.

And really what they were saying and praising the guy was that this was the only way that he, this was the only way that somebody can actually protest what's going on. And it's the nihilism that's, I mean, there's tons, he could have went AWOL. He could have done, he could have done a 10. He's not, he's not, he's not Palestinian. These aren't his people. You know, it's, uh, I like Palestinian people. I like a lot of Muslim and Christian people from the region.

We're like friends and comrades of mine, but those aren't your people, man. So, I mean, everything else aside, like, there's a real, like, arrogance there. Like, you know, I'm going to sit myself on fire on behalf of you people. You know, let's like, fuck you, man. You know, like, it's not, and it's, um, plus, too, like, you don't, people are doing it wrong. I mean, obviously, this is very extreme and the self-destructive iteration. But the whole point of a protest is you put literally a million bodies on the ground,

whether you're the 1920s clan marching on Washington, or your fair account, the million man march. Or you're one of these, like, you know, 68 or lefties who is getting money from the Soviet Union, who could put, like, hundreds of thousands of people on the street. That's why you do it. It's not because, like, protesting is, like, so awesome, man. like, like, it's retarded even, I don't care, like, I don't care if the guy, um, I don't care if the guy was, uh, you know, conjuring up a, a tyranosaurus wrecks in a thin air

and with his magic wand. Like, if you're, if you're, if you're a one man protest, you're categorically doing it wrong. Well, like, whatever you're doing. Yeah. I got a couple more super chats here on Rumble. Um, what are your thoughts on, um, um, what are your thoughts on, um, um, um, Buckelly in El Salvador? I don't, I don't, I don't have, all I know about Salvador, like at all, is I know something about the civil war there from, you know, approximately 78, 79 to 91, 92. It was a, it was a, it's a fascinating country and it has more, it's got more European assentive people and one of my thing, including the Buisson himself was. But I literally, outside of the Cold War,

I know like nothing about it. My friend Dan, who was on the mind pizs or pot a whole time, like I was telling Pete about, like he, he's like an expert on it. Then he's, he's taking the oral testimony of a bunch of guys who fought in the, in the right wing militias against the communists. But I don't, I don't know shit about it. I really don't. You don't know that he, like, he went to war, just basically arrested, like. I know he locked a ton of people up, but I mean, I don't, I don't, I can't speak like the deep lore on it or anything. Okay. All right, cool.

All right. He asked, um, Ein Krushkir asks, have you read the book, The Conquest of the Worlds by the Jews by, um, Major Osman Bay? No.

Okay. All right. Um, Johnny Applesi says, okay, let's go there. Do you think the, the guy who burned him, who burned himself a lot? was some kind of op. No, he was just some mentally ill guy

who developed really, really stupid ideas. I got one from over in... The story is the guy in North London who put up a sticker that said, reject white guilt and got two years in jail. Yeah, he's Keith. East Keith's guy. Yeah.

What's your, what's your take on this? What's it going to take to change, to have real change over there? I mean, the UK is a standard falls of Europe. I mean, that's the whole, that was Mosley's point,

that was in a Powell's point. I mean, that's the way it is. Yeah. The UK is not physically occupied like the continent is, but it might as well be. Okay, the only, for England to be liberated

the county would have to be liberated. That's what it would take. Okay. Okay. Anybody else got any questions? Coming up, we're right at an hour here. And if there's no more questions, I'm going to get Thomas out of here because I think we hit some...

No, this is great, man. Yeah, no, about an hour is, I think, it's a good stopping point, and frankly, I feel a lot better. this winter man and I'm sorry this last week was kind of a bust because I had another flare up but I believe I'm on the mend man and I

my travel season is going to go off out of hitch even I'm not feeling great but I'm sorry if I had to postpone anything for anybody man I got some really dope stuff kind of this week I'm starting a series with Bagby and reconstruction

and I got a I got Steve from Gigi Allen and the Jabbers who was like buddies with Gigi and he played with him from 82 to 84 I'm gonna record him for the pod on Thursday so I think that'll be interesting he's a fascinating guy he's not like this like wild man

he's like this unassuming kind of dude he's very much like a punk rock dude but he's very chill but I think I think you guys will really like him awesome any other plugs sir just you can always find me at my website Thomas 7777.com number seven HMAS 777

7.com. I'm on Twitter. I'm on Instagram. I'm back on Tigram. And if everybody can behave themselves, I'll like keep it up. It's, uh, it's the channel's mind phaser. So just look that out of mind phaser in parentheses Thomas 777, but behave. Don't be fucking jagoffs. Um, you got one dollar, uh, Johnny Applese came in with one last question. Does your theory that 2024 is the year right wing is normalized? Or I don't know if you said 20. But you see it for the future. But what happens if Trump loses? If Trump loses, does that expedite that? Or does that put it on a whole? If he legitimately loses, like there's an election on election day and he loses, that doesn't change anything.

If they cancel the election because they're indicting anybody who challenges for the White House or if they like just install another like fake president, they got a problem on their hands. And yes, that's going to expedite it. Awesome. All right. Thank you, Zamas. On the many days of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings to thee. A visit filled with festivity. Experience a story of Ireland's most iconic beer in a stunning Christmas setting at the Guinness Storehouse.

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