The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1022: Building 'Civilizational Capital' w/ Matt Erickson and Jason Mironchuk

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

89 MinutesNSFWMatt Erickson is the host of Kingpilled, and Jason Mironchuk is the host of the 2Bit podcast.Matt and Jason join Pete for a discussion of what Jason terms "civilizational capital." Many have heard of social and political capital but it is argued that without civilizational capital these do not matter.Jason's LinktreeKingpilledMatt on TwitterVIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's Substack Pete's SubscribestarPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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show. Got two guys here. Matt Erickson. How are you doing? Good. Are you doing, buddy? Good to be back. Yeah, man.

Jason Maranchuk. That's right. You got the first time? The first time. Yeah. It's a tricky one again. Well, gentlemen. Let's see.

Matt was on the show recently and that was a bomb shell of an episode that I was telling, I was telling Jason. It was probably my most downloaded episode in a very, very long time. and I was on Jason's show and twice in the last couple weeks, once trying to put to bed this whole libertarian liberal kind of thing. And then this past week we did PayPal Mafia friend or Fed.

And I wanted to have you guys come on because one of the things that when we were talking about this whole looking at the future and looking at the future and looking at what these potential elites want to build, what we don't have now, and I think it's been evident for a very long time, is we don't have a civilization. And really the question is, what is the process to get back to it?

And what kind of can we do it with the regime that's in power now? can we, would it be a lot easier with the counter elites that we see rising up? But before we even start getting into that, the term civilization capital has come up. And that's Jason's thing. So give us a newbie explanation as to what you mean. Okay, I'll start it to where it started. I'll start where it started. And Matt, help me out if I miss anything.

So the thought initially started when I was watching, it was making the, this video was making its rounds on, on X or socials, where it was a woman in the Congo crossing, crossing a river on this, we'll call it a bridge, but it really was like two pieces of flimsy wood with some stuff on her head. And she's crossing and she falls in the water and all the stuff floats away and she has to wait across the river. And the caption above it was, the West has failed Congo. the world has failed Congo. And my initial reaction to that was like, no, I don't think anyone's failed Congo. That's just what Congo is. That woman represents 10,000 years of living in the Congo. And if you had built, if you went there and had built a big giant, beautiful stone bridge,

you would have turned around and six months later, come back and found the bridge would have been gone or been, would have been galvan, you know, they would have taken all the stones and made an oven or something else out of it. And so then I started thinking about how these, so people who would build a stone bridge, I was calling it people who are operating within a civil frame. And the people who don't build stone bridges who build like, you know, temporary little flimsy bridges live in a primal frame. And we can think about it in terms of racial or, you know, ethnic kind of groupings or global kind of groupings.

But I think primal frame kind of thinking creeps into. everywhere and everything by itself as well. One of the distinction I would make about it is that people living in a primal frame, everything's, all your problems are existential and immediate. It's a zero time preference. Like if you take us and put us on a put us in the jungle, we would start to operate on a primal frame because you kind of have to that rustling in the bush might be a tiger. So you have to like make decisions on the fly. You're you're constantly reusing things like within that.

frame within where it belongs, it makes total hyper rational sense. In the civilizational frame, you're actually a lot of stuff in the civilizational frame doesn't make logical sense. It doesn't actually make a lot of logical sense to build and maintain big stone bridges. You see these in Spain. There's like Roman bridges for that have been around for over a thousand years. So there's there's capital being used to maintain it, to repair it, to all these things for like thousands of years these things exist. Why? Well, because it's doing something that makes sense to people living in the civil frame. It's logically consistent to those people in that way of

thinking. So then it's kind of benson that idea around a bit. And I remembered something that Nick Land had said, which is that capital is derived from human competency. So wherever there's human competency over time you build capital. One of the examples I like to give is that you take a fishing village in the Mediterranean who starts getting really good at fishing. They start getting in getting good at everything connected to fishing. So boat building, net building, etc. You know, fish marketing, all that kind of stuff. Over a big enough time frame, they become the Portuguese. So what is that, how does that happen? How do you go from fishing village to Portuguese? and just to give Matt some good advertising here,

a lot of this stuff is only possible because of the VC chats we have over at his Kingpill Discord. You know, it's a little mini think tank. I often bring these things in there and go, all right, let the autists add it, which is frustrating sometimes. But hey, man, they workshop it really well. And in that process of workshopping, we kind of, Matt and I kind of figured out that,

all civilizations are essentially similar. If you zoom out far enough, if when you zoom in close enough, their differences become quite radical, or profound to those people living in the civilization. I'll give an example of the French and the Italians. They both live in very similar geographic areas. They both have food and wine culture.

They both have, even almost, they both speak from a Latin root, all those things. But when you zoom in close enough, Obviously, the difference between the French and the Italians are different. If you're French, you wouldn't consider yourself Italian and vice versa. So I guess the idea was like, okay, if we zoom out far enough, what is the thing that makes all civilization civilizations?

How do we build this capital? Where do we get this civilizational capital from? Where do we invest this human competency? And we thought about it in three domains, the socially economic and the political. And we already have terms for this. We already use the term political capital or social, capital, but it's kind of almost a useless term. There's like no weight to it.

So if you take these three domains and all the subdomains that kind of go along with them, then you have to kind of combine them in a way. So I say is that you wrap those things up in a regio, and a regio meaning a region, a leadership or a king, and a religion. And that's, and that, those three things help bind those domains together. And as people start to work within those domains, and do things that produce social capitals. For example, the show is producing social capital

on a certain level. You're reinvesting it back into the civilization. It's adding to it in ways that aren't just material, like monetary. It can be just a vibe, a sense, a way of being, an identity. So you kind of need all those things working together and functioning in order to have a thriving civilization that just starts to produce stuff,

that builds things to identify itself as a civilization itself. When you remove that ratio or you deteriorate it, what ends up happening is those three domains don't have a reason to work together. So they begin to attack and cannibalize each other. So we can see this with Hollywood, for example, right? Hollywood is basically used in a lot of ways as like this sort of woke pill for the masses in the last few years, which is both a political, which is like the political domain, exerting power on it, the economic domain, exerting power over it, the social domain trying to

try to do its own thing, it falls apart. They're not communicating. They're not working together. And what that ends up doing is it just tears your civilization apart. You begin to have this competency crisis, which is actually in this way of thinking, a competency of capital. There's nothing left to invest. So this is why we don't build anything. I use the example, and I'll just wrap this up and see what you guys can do with it. I use the example of like post-World war, sorry, post-Cold War. Officially, formally, the West had just defeated Goliath, the dragon of the USSR, had just this massive victory, essentially.

And I know people go back and forth about this, but the vibe of the 90s, but I was coming of a, like I was a teenager going into into adulthood in the mid-90s. And I remember that sense of like, of optimism, of almost a salutary mood. You catch them in the corner of your eye. Distinctive, by design. They move you. Even before you drive. The new Cooper plug-in hybrid range for Mentor, Leon, and Teramar.

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Throughout, I was living in Canada, so like, I can only imagine what it was felt like to be an American for that period. And we didn't build anything. Like, where are the statues? Where's a Reagan statue pointing at the, Berlin Wall. Where, where, like, where are they? We didn't do it. And that made geopolitical, you know, geopolitical and the Jews and this and that, sure, yeah, all the things. But all we did was build strip malls. And that should be your, your clear indication that something's wrong.

And that's why I say, and this is always a contentious thing, but it's, it's going to, almost a Peter Thiel analogy, we're at zero and we need to get to one. And the zero point is saying and admitting, you don't live in a civilization anymore. It's not just dysfunctional. It's not just like we can fix it with the right people in office and yada, yada, yada, or your preferred little ideology. It's over. It's done, finished for the whole West.

So now we have to undertake the task of building a new one. And that's where Matt and I come in. Well, I guess when you were invoking the teal analogy, it's do you want, most people are going to want to go one to end. They're going to want to emulate something from the past, something that brought us here to where we are right now. Instead of going zero to one where you create something new, is it going to have echoes of the past? Sure, it's going to have echoes of the past. But the whole idea behind it is going to be something new. The structure of it's going to be something new.

The attitude of those going into it is going to have to be something completely new because we see what the past has brought us to. And you can believe in Hegel that you have cycles and everything. But those cycles don't look alike. You do have rise and fall. You do have rise and falls, but they're different rise and falls. And they may even rise and fall for a lot of the same reasons, but it's not the same thing. And if you do want to actually push the envelope and say, hey, let's try and get that

thousand years that has been mentioned, you're going to have to come up with something extraordinary. What do you think, Matt? Yes, this idea of capital is interesting. Most people when they hear capital, they typically associate it with what we would refer to as like economic capital. It's typically seen as kind of a more of like a business term, sort of. You have venture capital, that kind of thing. And it's probably not a coincidence that we live in a deracinated economic zone. So our only conception of capital generally is something that relates to economics. But the other two domains that Jason mentioned are probably are, I don't know if I would say that they're the most important because I think you need all three of these. You need economic capital. You need social capital. You need political capital.

But to get political capital, you have to have both economic capital and social capital together. meaning you have to have resources like institutions, money, ways of generating money. You have to have those sources, but those things overlap heavily with the social capital side of it. So you could be a really rich guy, but if you don't know anybody, if you don't have any connections, you don't have any network, you know, your billionaire grandpa died and gave you his entire fortune, you're going to have to build social capital with that. If you've been some loner recluse your entire life, then that billions of dollars, isn't going to do anything for you until you begin investing it in social capital and building the social capital together.

Once you have social capital and economic capital, those two things alone aren't going to give you political capital, but they're the ingredients that you can use to create that political capital. Now, this is all speaking on the social level. I think on the individual level, you can map this same framework. And this is actually something that independently, as Jason was starting to think about the civilizational capital thing, I was musing on this idea, largely inspired by my time spent with Jason Stapleton, about building human capital, like investing in yourself, like you being the most important investment. And I'm recognizing in our little circles here on the internet, frankly, we lack a significant amount of capital. And I think a big reason for that is the absence of conscious focused investment in our own human capital. There's a lot of whining and crying and complaining about how everything's bad and how all the institutions have abandoned us and, you know, how our, you know, society's falling apart all around us and everything.

But I don't see or hear a lot of the people who are actually setting their minds to doing something like that. And there's, I think there's a strong instinct to scoff at the idea that, well, you know, going and, you know, whatever, having your, your plan for, you know, you have your five-year plan for yourself that. you're going to invest in learning some particular skill and you're going to go put in time at some particular job with a focused goal of elevating yourself to the certain point where you can start your own business and yada yada yada yada that whole thing there's a lot of a lot of of i think there's a there's a strong nihilistic instinct toward that because i feel that myself like you know the the fucking society's falling around falling down around me i'm going to go spend five years on this plan who knows what the world's going to look like in five years why's why why

even do this. Like what's the point of all this? This is like, um, like peeing in the ocean to try to fill it or something. And, but that's the thing. That's, that's what people who live in a civilized society, people who live in this civilized frame, they make those kinds of decisions. They don't get themselves overwhelmed by doom and this, because that's, I mean, right there, you've got that, that sense of being in the jungle where suddenly now I can't make long term plans. I need, to try to build a little hut so that the rain doesn't fall on me, but then I need to be worried about the tiger that's coming in from the bushes. And then if I get a cut on my leg, then I'm going to get some sort of crazy infection and yada, yada, yada, yada. As you begin narrowing your time horizons and just

looking at what's immediately in front of you, and you begin acting as if what's immediately in front of you is the only thing that matters, and you don't have this long time horizon, you begin generating a self-perpetuating cycle of civilizational collapse. And the only way out of that is by choosing, no matter the state of your society, choosing, I am actively going to invest now in building civilizational capital, which if that means I need to start with myself, I need to build my own human capital before I'm even worth networking with other people, then I'm going to have to do that.

build up my own individual note of human capital until I get to the point where I either have the economic capital to buy the friends or the friends to generate the economic capital. And then beginning to network on this lattice work that's building out. And once you get enough people doing that, at that point, you now can begin generating political capital. Well, I think one of the problems that people have with five-year plans is that you can develop a five-year plan to help your financial capital, you know, increase your financial capital. But really, how many people in that five years are actually going to improve themselves? At the end of that five years, a lot of people are just going to be beat up and are going to be like, oh, I made

it. Okay, now I can go out and I can do this. But I mean, are they better than they were, you know, five years ago? Because, you know, I used to, I used to have this thing, when, I was younger where I'd be like, I'd look back on, and we all did it. We look back on the last six months and you'd be like, wow, I was a moron six months ago. But I think that what happens is a lot of people stop with that when they get to a certain point. And you can't. You have to be able to keep improving yourself. I'm a much better person today than I was five years ago. And I think it's one of the reasons why I can do the things I do is because I, you know, I'm not that person back then. who, you know, was working at a job and had a piss poor attitude about, about everything,

about, you know, why, I've been podcasting for two years. Why aren't I a full-time podcaster yet? It only took me four, four and a half, another two years in order to do that. But in that two years, I had to become better. And I had to be, you just have to become a better person, too. And I think that That's something that, that's just something that most people don't even, not even, not even, they don't want to talk about it. But it's insulting to them because it's there's some kind of, it's something metaphysical. And so many people that, you know, we know that it's so many people that we would love to on a business or a political, kind of trajectory side with, we're going to,

metaphysically we're going to smash up against each other. And what does that do? I mean, how do you make that work? I mean, you're talking about civilization here. Civilization was built by groups that believed in the same things. There's a few things there. The first thing you have to do is get humble. And it's better if you do it yourself rather than it being done to you.

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And this is, when I say things like you don't live in a civilization anymore and that we're at zero. Zero means true sight. So you, to even understand, that you're at zero, you have to be standing in reality and get rid of your pride, put it to the side, all your vain glory, all that stuff, and deal with the fact that you're where you are. You have what you have. In 99% of the cases, I mean this with no disrespect or insult to anybody, you got fuck all. And stop pretending like you do. I don't care how, much money you have in your bank account or how big your house is or your how cool your car is.

You don't have anything to invest things into. This is the whole idea of like you don't have a civilization anymore and what's frustrating to a lot of people is they go and they do these five year plans and they get better at things and then but where are you going to invest it? What are you going to do with it? How are you doing with it? Podcasting even. This part of this is like what was playing on my mind too is this idea that okay we have

this podcast. So what, okay. Do we just do, do I just do this for 25 years? Like, even if I, even if I get it to a point where I can do it professionally, and even if I get that to a point where I can really make some decent money and do some other things with it, okay. Like, is that it? Is that all?

I, you know, I'm 47 this year. I got maybe 25 years left, maybe 30, some around there. The way I live my life. my current physical health issues. So like, you know, do I have a 30-year plan? No, I want to have a thousand-year plan. I want to have a plan that stretches out to my, to my daughter, to her descendants,

and to multiple descendants along a long enough time frame. And if that's, you know, I get a lot of, that's hubristic. That's you're crazy, Marron Schuck, it's Mishigana. Like, it's never going to work. The Jews will come and destroy it. Someone's going to kick over your sandcastle. I was like, okay, well, then we'll rebuild it. This is kind of why what Matt and I have been doing,

and there's a playlist over a two-bit podcast on YouTube and I think other places as well. No, it's only on YouTube. I only have it on theirs right now. And my substack, if you're over there. But one of the things we're working with, we're doing a reading series of patchwork of Yarvon's patchwork and combining it with this idea of civilization capital and seeing where the overlaps are.

And I'm aware that part of the problem we're dealing with is a conceptual issue. So we're trying to break the concept issue or concept barrier with people. And once we get you past that concept barrier, then we can start introducing other things. And I understand that people's initial reaction is, because it was mine too, it's like, are you just building a better mouse trap? Are you just building a system that you can give people and they're going to create, you know, you know, serfdom 2.0

or better company town's like, yeah, probably. That's probably what's going to happen. But it's going to, that's happening anyways. Like, the awareness of things that are already in progress, in motion means that,

and this is the whole thing about doing the PayPal Mafia and all that stuff. It's like, while we rage against certain people, it's like, you really need to get this right. Like, your whole 25, 30 year plan

depends on this and your relationship to it and where you are at. And if you screw this up, man, this is it. This is the window. No matter how things play out, this is the window. And if you think you're dealing with a civilization that just needs to be reformed, you're not paying attention, even if we win. Even if Donald Trump wins and changes the things and shuts down the border and everyone puts the woke away and all these things happen and yay, great celebrations.

It's like you still don't have a civilization. you're still not investing anything. There is no reggio. None of these things are working out. This is why Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and all those guys aren't our guys until maybe we get these ideas up to them and see what they do with it.

And maybe they just build a better mousetrap. Or maybe we can start working towards building the closest proximity to the kingdom of heaven that we can here on earth. Maybe. Well, I think that's one of the problems is that people talk themselves out of doing anything, trying to do anything great by saying, oh, you know, they're just kind of come and destroy it. They'll just, they'll do this and they'll do that, you know, which is why we say, you know,

it's like Peter Thiel's not our guy, Elon Musk is and our guy. but wow, what if the next group of elites that are in charge just leave you alone, are indifferent to your existence? I mean, it's like, well, then what are the Jews going to do? The Jews are going to be on this too. I don't know. I mean, unless somebody out there has this, has a plan that is going to stop their influence in, you know, American politics.

I don't know, you know, maybe a group of people who puts competency over nepotism, that maybe that, maybe designing a system where competency instead of nepotism is more important to building it, to its future. I mean, you're always going to have. Hey, maybe we should side with the guys who might prevent planes from falling from the fucking sky. that might be nice. But, hey, one of their last name is Mandenberg. And that, that means he's going to, it's only going to be five years that the planes will stop. They'll make sure that five years from now, the planes will start falling from the sky again.

Yeah. All I ever, yeah, all I ever said about when I was talking about this group of people, what I said was they designed the system that we, I tried to say this over and over again. They did they've the system that we live in they've pretty much designed the overwhelming majority of it was designed by them okay and my and I just kept asking the question over and over again are we okay with that is that is that what we want is that the best we can do um to me it seems that the best way to make them obsolete is to create a system that they don't can't even operate in I mean they can't even operate their own country. Their own country is being felled by people in caves. Literally. Literally, people living in caves. They're, you know, it's like, oh my God, they're killing all these people. Yeah. The whole world hates them except for like the United States and like London. I think this is the, this is the, the great irony of this that their, their modus operandi is, is to avoid responsibility for any and all things.

They operate, this is part of the subversive nature is they exclusively operate in the shadows. If they're not in the shadows, then they're out in public not taking responsibility for everything that they're responsible for. Their entire modus operandi is operating through soft power, through subversion, and through manipulating and controlling other people.

which means the way to stand them up is to take responsibility for yourself, to take responsibility for your country. You're the one who's claiming responsibility. Because if you're the one who claims responsibility, they cannot. And it forces that reality into reality. We're the ones who are responsible for this country. We're the ones who are going to dictate the future of this country. Do with that what you will.

And their very nature is like what? You're not going to fight a war against. Which war are they fighting against people? They don't fight their own wars. They get other people to fight their wars for them. So trying to fight them head on is by necessity like grasping at smoke. Going after them directly is you don't even have to do that. Just take responsibility for your own country.

and maybe that has to start at the local level. So take responsibility at your local level. Take control of that. And this is the process of beginning to build civilizational capital. Of course, there's always going to be people who want to tear down, to subvert, to tear down to take over to reappropriate whatever civilization you build. This is the story of all of human history. The fact that there's one particular group that happens to excel at that and has a long history of doing that doesn't change that reality.

You can observe it. You can recognize it. Yeah, this is a reality. This is something that we need to contend with. But it can't be an affront to your honor that just baffles you into paralysis. That there exists people who want to take the good things that you create. Of course. That doesn't mean you stop creating them.

Yeah. And I did an episode reading a long article. that a Frenchman name, Loranginio wrote, and it's called Israel the Psychopathic Nation. And basically he used words of Zionists and Jewish scholars from the past 200 years to describe what their attitude is. And they basically have an attitude of we never do anything wrong. And we're always the victim.

Now, think about the people, you know people in your life, who aren't part of their tribe, who are like that. Yes. Are they, are any of them powerful? Or any of them successful? Okay. So somehow they've figured out a way to have, get this power that even though they act like who we would say in our personal lives if we knew people like this, losers,

they're able to somehow keep power now. I mean, does anybody see how that can't last forever and how it's actually, if you're paying attention, it's falling apart right now? And if there are losers who are in power over you, which is what the reality we're describing here, then that ought to be a condemnation to you. And that, like, you personally or you,

you, broadly speaking, you're allowing yourself to be ruled by people who are definitionally losers. The only way those people can rule as losers is because the people they are ruling are choosing not to rule themselves. They're just opting out of that process. And this has been a generational process that's happened, but this goes right along with the building civilizational capital. Part of building civilizational capital is consciously and actively choosing to rule yourselves. And this is a societal extrapolation of the individual thing, which nobody ever wants to hear, which is you are responsible for wherever you are in life. Every man is self-made. It's only the millionaires who want to acknowledge it. It doesn't matter where you are. You're the one who's

responsible for that. And it doesn't matter if that fact is factually, artistically, technically true. What matters is that when you adopt that frame, then you say, I'm the one responsible for where I am, which means I'm the one who's responsible for getting myself somewhere else, which is a white pill. Like, I'm the one who could control this. Nobody else is going to determine where I'm going to go. I get to go do it. So this, you have to, this has to happen on the microscale and the macro scale. In order for it to happen on the micro scale, it has to happen on the macro scale. In order for it to happen on the macro scale, it has to happen on the microscale. Both of these things are true at the same time. And so this is the, this is the reality that's laid before us.

And you can, you can argue against it. You can cry about it. You can say, here's all the reasons why it couldn't have happened or here's all the reasons why it did happen. But at the end of the day, you have to decide, am I going to just sit here and stewing this for the rest of my life? Or are we going to begin this process of actually doing something and build a civilization out of the primal jungle of warring tribes that we have now? Yeah. I was going to, there's one point. I just lost it.

I left a speechless. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, you did. As you often do with your, uh, you're the most brilliant man made out of hair that I've ever met, Erickson. I will say that. Uh, it's my wife says too. Well, I hope she says more nice things than that. Is it all made out of hair? All of it? Is it just, is it just, is it? Sign up for my only fans and find out. Uh, yeah. Um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Oh, yeah. So the other thing that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's happening. And I think I'll put, I'll throw this, I'll throw vengeful sun stuff in there a little bit and then we maybe can move into, uh, how do we generate civilization capital? What's like a client? Yeah, that's what I want to. Um, so I've been saying Pete, and this has actually been inspired by, by Pete, you and, uh, Paul Faraday were talking, did a few shows in 2020, three talking about the, um, spear of the age. And that got me thinking. And I

started thinking that more along Youngian archetype kind of terms. And I kind of identified or put the name of the devouring mother to the spirit of the previous age from, let's say, the 1960s up until relatively recent. Let's say COVID era. And, you know, that's the spirit of a mother who is always a perpetual victim, who is a bit of a martyr, who loves her children so much that she ends up suffering, suffocating and killing them. um you know uh hates her daughters for being prettier than her so makes them feel horrible by each other you know cut off their breasts or you know become become boys uh and who hate the masculinity in her sons uh and want to infantilize them and take all their masculine power away from them and turn so basically turning them into women both literally and figuratively like all this symbology is

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Or at any post office. Brought to you by the government of Ireland. And I think that that's on its way out. And I think what's coming on its way in is the spirit of the vengeful sun is what I've been calling it. And we're starting to see elements of that start to spring up in 2021. I use the GameStonks example. People who don't know what I'm talking about, look it up. I'll just do, I'll make this really brief.

But essentially with the GameSton's issue, there was this bunch of add-ons who were holding this short on GameStop, pumping up the value of GameStop to lose a ludicrous value. and almost, I think, I'm not sure they put the hedge fund out of business or came close and all this stuff was happening. They actually had a rewrite investment law. They had to. Basically, the hedge fund was in danger of failing and it got bailed out. Right. And one of the guys, one of the chief GameStop guys when he was asked, he was told, like, if you keep holding this, you're going to lose all your money eventually. And he's like, I don't care.

It's not about getting rich. It's about hurting them, the Wall Street, because of what they did to my dad in 2008 and 2009. And then you see like Elon Musk going and telling Disney and all those guys to go fuck themselves. And you start seeing this cropping up all over the place. There's an instance, I think it was in, I want to say Peru or something like that, where an older guy looks like he's in his 50s, got out of his car and shot an environmental protester in the head who was blocking up the road and it's like you're starting to see I've got a file on this and you're starting to see this uptick of just general fuck you no no we're not doing this

and this anger and this like vengeful spirit of we're going to tear this down if you're in our way we're going to we're going to move you it goes into some other stuff you've said pete where it's like you know this keeps going you're going to see some let's say rainbowish people hang in from overpasses. And I think, yeah, if we don't auto correct some things, that's exactly where this goes. And when you start to see stuff like that happening and realize you don't live in a civilization anymore and realize that most of the plans being put out there, these are ones that are we can observe on a formal level are just more of the same. It's not going to work. Like this thing is going down one way or the other. And that's, you know, why.

starting to build now independently in a parallel situation is probably the best way of doing things or at least that's what I can think of so then the question is okay well how do we do this and what Matt and I are talking about is that it's like you have to kind of you're you're not an individual you're you're a collective you're a representation of a collective but you don't have a tribe you know most people don't have that sense of tribe or clan anymore. But we have this internet thing that still works. And we have connections.

I'm a Canadian living in Australia. You guys are living in America. You know, we, we have a lot of overlap of peoples, but we have different sets of audiences and all that stuff. But we can build this sense of a tribe. And once we have a tribe together, well, then we can start to build and build capital and invest it in these domains. And what Matt and I, I'll kick this over to Matt, is first we do it on the digital realm,

and then with the idea of, then once we get it uploading in the digital, then we move over to meet space. So you build a digital town and then you make a real life town. And this works with people, what you're saying about localism and all that stuff. It's like, yeah, we start to take over. We start to build. and we encourage everybody, anybody, with half a plan or half a tribe to do the same thing.

You know, well, I'm going to lay it out in a white paper sometime this year where it's like, here's the blueprint. You can put whatever you want in there. You know, at all Z. I'll tell you what I think is going to be the most successful, but try it out, test it out, see what happens. And I think we seed it. So instead of having one town or we're trying to do one civilization,

Let's have a thousand. Let's have a million. Let's have a billion globally and see what that looks like. Because that's more like patchwork than anything else. Part of this, as we were thinking about this, we were confronting this reality of you have the rise and fall of empires throughout history. And one of the things that defines each empire versus the previous one is some type of new territory that that empire controls. and governs. Now we've hit a point where, at least according to the official stories that we're told, there isn't really new territory in the world. We were kind of at not max capacity in a population sense, but it's not like there's some new land to go explore and everyone's looking at space

and then, you know, there's there's different theories about what that new horizon is going to be. But I think that we're very much at the sort of, like part of the reason why, this civilizational collapse scenario has been fairly unique and it has elements of a lot of different things but then it also has kind of its own elements it's been because there are no new frontiers

we're all just kind of stuck here together and so we've either got to figure out how to get along how to how to rule those who don't get along with us or just all kill our off. Like these are the only, seem to be the only available options in front of us. But I think, now this, this takes some level of abstraction and imagination. And I don't, I don't fully even know what this means necessarily. I just have a very strong intuition that

it's true. The new frontier, I think, is in digital real estate. And I don't mean digital real estate in terms of like buying and selling digital real estate, though that could be part of it. I'm saying conceptually speaking, instead of going and finding a new continent, we can create our own continents digitally. Now, there's all sorts of hurdles and issues that we have to navigate and get around, but through the rise of social media, which I think even social media has become kind of a term that stands with its own meaning separate from the social mediums, which would be kind of similar, but there's these mediums through which we can interact. socially on digital platforms. These are just barely in their infancy. We've gotten very used to them because we spend so much time there. But the vast majority, 30 years ago, none of these digital media platforms that we use all the time now, 30 years ago, none of them even existed. The smartphone didn't achieve like mass proliferation until barely more than a decade ago, maybe even less than that. We're just, barely scratching the surface of what digital technology is going to mean for human social organization. What we do know is that we're within the digital realm, we are not bound by the same laws of time and space. We're able to interact instantaneously across these vast different

domains. James Poulos is one of my favorite people from the Blaze talking about this, that we have like these little invisible gremlins kind of that we send through the air back and forth to each other, these little packets of data that are, you know, even 50 years ago, most people would have seen this as like some kind of occult magic technology. 500 years ago, absolutely. So we're able to arrange ourselves in ways now that past civilizations couldn't really comprehend. So like you said before, instead of going, you, People want to go from one to end.

They want to pull something from the past. Going from zero to one, generating something entirely new involves pulling from the past. But it's pulling selectively from the past and organizing these things in a different way that create something new in the future. So what we're visualizing here is that you can now, to this point, internet communities, internet organizations of people have, existed on a very kind of unsophisticated, shallow kind of level, where it's just like, here's this group on this app,

and you can come, you know, you pay your toll and you can come be in this group, and then it's people just kind of like shitposts and post memes and have conversations and whatever. But I think we've achieved a pretty wide proliferation of this, where there's just all kinds of different people, have all kinds of different groups.

And now you're starting to get the same thing that happens to people with their digital streaming technologies where it's like once upon a time I could pay 50 bucks a month and get all the channels that were available. And now I have to pay 250 bucks a month because I have to piece off each and every one of these. The same thing happens with my different supporter communities and all that sort of thing. I think this is a, this was a transitory step having this like, we're going to do a podcast and then we have a supporting listeners group and you can join my supporting listeners group. and then you get early access to this thing

or you have special conversations or Q&As or whatever. There's these little perks that we've added, but we haven't really innovated beyond that space, beyond that way of using that space. However, given the way that technology can leverage human activity, like this is the definition of technology is like something that leverages human activity to be beyond what human activity was once.

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And it's like, oh, there's this great wild frontier out there. And we have no idea what's there. And we don't know what it looks like. And it's full of hostile tribes that we're going to have to do battle with and new diseases and all sorts of things that we've never encountered before. But those people went and struck out and just started doing it. And they went and they built things. And fast forward a couple hundred years.

you have a global empire governed by the people within that domain, or at least some of the people within that domain. I think that it's useful to begin to think about these things this way. And these are things that you can start doing. When you think of like, oh, well, to change something, we have to get our guy elected president or whatever, then, okay, yeah, this is like an astronomical task. You have the libertarians who are, oh, we're going to get our third party and do this. This is using an old dead model. You can't critique the model as being shitty and stupid. and gay and everything and then be like, oh, but we're going to try to use it to advance our agenda.

No, that model is very obviously dying off. We don't know exactly what's going to replace it. But I think it's very obvious that the overlap of digital communities with meat space communities and the rise of this phenomenon of free private cities, we're beginning to get an idea of what this sort of thing is going to look like. Balaji Srenovasana has a really interesting. interesting book called The Network State, where he describes what a network state is and how it functions and what it looks like. And that's the sort of direction that I think that we're moving. Whether he's directly diagnosing me or not, he's one of the people actually looking at it.

So, again, going back to the idea of building human capital, you need a domain to develop that capital within. And you need people to develop that capital in. When you have these, when you have the domain, when you have the people, when you have the resources, you can begin to build capital together, but it takes people intentionally and consciously choosing that. Imagine the people who stay in Europe and say, you know, you goes going off to this place in the new world, the NDs or whatever,

and you're going to go do your thing. And we'll just stay back here nice and safe. And well, yeah, now those people, those people's descendants live in client states of the descendants of the people who were, who went out and explored this new land. So we're trying to conceptualize what exactly this would look like.

And we've got some ideas. The biggest thing is it's just going to take people buying into this and recognizing that there's something here. And you could come join us in the thing we're working on or go form your own thing. Start working on something else, innovating and building something together as part of a tribe. But these principles of building civilizational capital and the importance of the regio and having a, a conscious, hopeful, optimistic dedication to this project, whatever the project is that you put yourself to is going to produce vastly more capital

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what is a DAO? So decentralized land is a 3D digital world run entirely by its members. Users can make avatars by real estate and even start a business. Anyone who owns a Dow's cryptocurrency token at Manna can take part in the management of the platform. There is no centralized authority.

Okay. So there's just an example, just a digital example. What we're suggesting is a lot of these things only exist online and there is I don't think I haven't encountered any any plans on how to make that how to bridge the gap from from digital to meet space and back you know back and forth so without spoiling anything and I'll just say this and Pete go ahead because it is your show the teaser is this right and here's the conceptual thing that I don't mind sharing because I know it's this is

this is the real hurdle up until now apps in general websites I've been storefronts The conceptualization is a storefront. You walk in, you do the purchasing, you do the business of where the app is. Let's say it's a Bitcoin app. Well, you go and you use the Bitcoin app to trade and buy and whatever bitcoins, and you walk away from it, right? It's a storefront.

The conceptual issue we're pushing here is imagine that app as a town. You don't have customers. You have human capital. Once you have customers, once you have people who come on your site or your audience or whatever, That's human capital. Human capital comes down to two main things. Time and attention. All of us have time and attention.

If you think there's an attention economy, well, that means there's an attention resource, which means it's generated by you. You get to choose it. You have leverage. Okay? It's to compound on Quebec. I'm trying to make this as easy and simple

for people to understand. You have a lot more leverage and power than you think and certainly than they want you to think. So once you have, once you understand that you have that power and leverage, then all you need to start doing is finding people who already do the things you already are interested in.

And if you build an app, like a Bitcoin app, just for example, or a podcast app or whatever, well, combine them, give them a reason to stick around, give them things to invest in,

give them time and energy, they have time in, attention, make them invest their time and attention into worthwhile things. And as you build that capital, you start to map it out into real life. So people can live there. And then you can have your Ancapistan or where the fuck you want. But, you know, make it a functional model first. Do something with it.

Otherwise, you just have a big giant audience that just keep shucking a big giant audience. Like, all right. Boring. Yeah, the, when I first met Thomas 777 and a couple of the guys adjacent there, they're really pushing getting out and meeting people face to face. You know, I know people who did long drives across, you know, halfway three quarters away across the country just to meet people, see people face to face. to make plans for the future. Now, this online thing, I don't know. Maybe Matt knows more about this than Jason, but Jason, you may know about it.

Matt, you know what Erbit is? I'm familiar with it. I don't know exactly. Once you start getting into the actual technical stuff of programming and developing and stuff, I'm a complete retard. Yeah. Basically, it's supposed to be an online, basically, universe with uh it's basically described as a a connection uh decentralized personal server

platform uh peer to peer network and um yeah it was they were selling um selling cities selling it was it was basically um sort of reminded me when you were talking about the It reminded me of this, you know? And do you happen to know who started that? Curtis Yarvan. Yeah. Do you know who funded it? Peter Thiel.

Of course. And a lot of the stuff we're describing is not new. Like I know there's, I guarantee you there's a lot of people in your audience who already are very well acquainted with the Dow. And I'm sure they could probably tell me all the reasons that are that it's stupid or gay or won't work or whatever. We're not claiming that we're introducing a we're not bringing brand new ideas to the table. We're saying these ideas already exist. Again, you're one to end. Like the things in the past, these things already exist.

It's a matter of how you organize them. But specifically, it's a matter of the time and attention of the people who are focusing on them. Because the things that you invest your time and attention into, quite literally, this is the definition of what you worship. You worship the things you invest your time and attention into. That is what worship is. And this gets into religious anthropology and such, but the things that human beings worship are the things that are manifested into the world. We are reality-creating beings.

And the way that we create is through our time and attention, through our worship. What we worship is what is manifested into reality. So what we're saying is within our circle of guys who see the, and gals too, I suppose, we got a couple of them have made it into the the Discord server, so we're debating

whether or not women should be allowed. Anyways. So, the, the, I totally lost my train of thought. What was I saying? Discord server. Oh, the, the,

the, a lot of us within these circles, like we care very passionately about the survival of our values, the continued existence of our people and our way of life, and the types of institutions that have, that we've loved and cherished and we want to see those sustained. And it is, it's disheartening and tragic to watch the way that our country and our states and our institutions are being desecrated. Did you know those Black Friday deals, Everyone's talking about. They're right here at Beacon South Quarter.

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We can actually have an influence on this. And we don't even need to invent completely brand new things. The ingredients already exist out there. There are already people who are innovating in these sorts of technologies. The free private cities, the decentralized, online communities, these people are already doing all of this. And what we're saying is that spirit of innovation and belief in the future and desire to develop things should not just exist among people who don't see the world the way we do. The people who see the world the way we do, we should also be at the forefront of this.

We should also be developing these kinds of technologies and implementing them ourselves, coordinating our own efforts. There's just kind of this sort of the sense of just sitting around and watching Rome burn. But we can get to work. We can do this. I've spent a lot of time through working with Jason and then just interest coming from my dad in the past and everything with the entrepreneurial sector of the internet content creation space. Stuff about like how to sell, how to market, how to like human psychology and how to build a business. how to like all these different things. There's people out there who are absolute masters and experts with all this sort of stuff. They have a deep understanding of what makes people tick, how to organize

people, how to make things happen, how to raise capital, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And they're just normies. They're just like whatever, you know, political situations, whatever. I only care about it to the extent that it gets in my way. And then when it gets in my way, I just care about it to the extent that I figure out how to get around it. But I'm not like sitting here pondering these existential issues of the decline of our society and our way of life and all this stuff, because they're just like, I'm building shit. I've got 80 years and I'm going to spend my 80 years building as much as I can. And we want to see these two views of the world collide together. The guys, the our guys side of politics, Twitter and YouTube and podcasting and everything, I think we've very well diagnosed

what the problems are. I think we've over-diagnosed what the problems are. The time for theory, theory is great and it's fine, but the time for theory is done. The time for action is long past. We have to get to work. It's not that there isn't anything to do. It's that there's nobody who wants to do anything. There are opportunities, but everybody approaches these opportunities with cynicism and suspicion. In fact, I think probably one of the greatest regime tools is the phenomenon of the Fed, that everybody is automatically suspicious of anybody who tries to organize people together to do anything. I understand the grounds, the basis of that suspicion, which I think is valid, but it's totally gone overboard. Now that actually serves as an atomization tool. Don't get together

with people in real life. Don't do things. Don't build anything. Don't actually try to make anything happen. You need to stay in your room scrolling and commenting and posting because that's what's safe. Then then you definitely aren't going to become a regime stooge. Then you're definitely not going to get looped into some sort of scheme that's going to destroy your life. It's safer to just stay in your in your room pod and don't ever do anything. But we have to break, we have to break through that. We have to get beyond that. I would say, I don't even think this is dramatic to say that the future existence of our civilization depends on it. Yeah, it's going to require a lot of, sorry, Pete,

it's going to require a lot of leaps of faith. And you're going to have to build trials of people who you probably have never met, maybe we'll never meet. But you're going to have to make these trust, you're going to have to start trusting somebody other than yourself. Or maybe you start trusting yourself first and then trust other people. Because you ain't going to, this whole individual. thing that you're an individual and you're going to you're going to do stuff by all by yourself it's

suicide get it out of your head break free of that frame and start building sorry pete yeah no i was um yeah i started reading um on my own because it's just it's a lot easier for me to start reading with that when i don't have to schedule people and things like that um zero to one by peter teal and i i was posting up on the on Twitter I put the episodes up there and you know some guy comes in and goes no no no no no no no no no you got to go one to end you you have to do one to end you go one to end and you can control it if you go zero to one in order to get that money you're going to have to suck Zionist cock that's literally what the guy wrote and I'm like why are you talking about sucking dick and he just come and he comes back with zionist sucking zionist cock and i'm like dude why are you

talking about sucking dick and they posted to like dr sheva talking about sucking like like dr sheva who's going to like um do an appeal to authority and i think dr sheva is just exhausting to listen to yeah he's i mean you congrats thanks for email now go fuck yourself fuck off I had one member of the Midwood Academy and one of the comments on the PayPal Mafia thing, basically say like a quote, I think he was quoting Brett Weinstein as to why Peter Thiel bad or something. And I was like, and not Christian enough and all these things.

I'm like, but you're quoting a Jew. You're quoting Brett, you're quoting Brett Weinstein. Like, what do you talk? What? Yeah.

That's a very interesting thing. I said that, most any Baptist church in the South would any Baptist church in the South would invite a rabbi to talk before they would invite a Catholic priest to talk. Mm-hmm. Because that yeah, yeah, is the the the one of the reasons why I'm like backing off all this is one. I've, you know, talking about the jays and everything. It's like, I'm talked out.

I've read the books, giving you the information, do with it what you will. Two, I don't want to sound obsessed because I'm not. All right. It's like, okay, I know exactly what, I know exactly what society is now. I know what the structure is. I know what, and now I'm able to look and go, oh, okay. It's all falling apart. Plus, they kind of jump their own.

They kind of jump their own shark with the tunnels, though, too. I mean, yeah, yeah. Well, people will say out of two, out of both sides of the mouth and say, well, everything's falling apart. Competency crisis. Planes are falling out of the sky. The Jews are in charge.

What does that tell you? What does that tell you? It's a bitter white pill. Yeah, go start working on what comes next because what they built is obsolete. Is there a chance that they're going to, you know, try to infiltrate what, whatever it is your building?

Sure. Maybe gatekeep. I don't know. You know, it's like maybe the country should have started gatekeeping from the beginning. And I'm not even talking about with them. I'm just talking about with anyone they were allowing to come in, you know,

especially the Irish. I'm just kidding. Okay. I'm just kidding. But kind of. Yeah. It's like listen to what you're saying. It's falling, everything's falling apart.

They're in charge. Okay. All right. What does that tell you? Right. Does that help you to make plans for the future? Okay. Yeah.

It should. It should dictate your thinking. And it should, if you're somebody who is good at diagnosing what's going on and then like, okay, here's the way we can move forward. This is really valuable information that you haven't figured out yet. Oh, but they'll just come and if I start a farm, they're just going to come and burn it. How many people have they done that to? The fact that you name a couple just proves, you know, proves that they're not going to come and do that to you.

Okay, I mean, unless you're an asshole who's like begging them to, you know, and going out there and prodding them and telling them to come and come and do it. And the whole idea is if a bunch of people start doing this, now you're just forcing them to have to fight war on an ever-increasing number of fronts. So this is why part of the leap of faith has to happen, because everyone wants to wait for someone else to go first. But if you imagine, like, if you visualize this as, you know, six thousand years ago, some tribe on the step or whatever, and the wife is like prodding her husband, she's like, hey, why don't you out and go plant the crops? He's like, oh, no, the barbarians are just going to come burn them up anyways. And she's like, all right, so, oh, I can't do anything.

The barbarians are just going to burn it all. All right, so we're just going to starve to death? Like, what's the, oh, do you see how awful these barbarians are? Look, they always come and they burn our shit up. And every, you know, my dad and his dad, they all the barbarians came and they burned all their shit. Okay, so what now? Like, what are you going to do?

what I said, the time and attention thing. At this point, we start talking about this sort of thing. We invariably get the people sounding off in the replies, the comments, the replies. When I notice these people that they always have one setting, it's always one mode, they have one particular bailiwick, and they were going to hit it over and over and over again. All of their time and attention is focused on this one group. This is indistinguishable from worship. You can worship something because you hate it. In fact, this is how worship functions for the vast majority of people.

This is a distinct thing about Christianity is worshipping something because you love it, as opposed to worshiping it because you hate it. But this is this obsessive focus of time and attention on singular issues. And it doesn't have to be the Js. It could be, there's a number of other things that can be as well. It can be immigrants.

It can be women. It can be the Rainbow Mafia. It can be any number of these different groups, Zionists, neocons, the state. This is all the exact same function. This is libertarians, like, bitching endlessly about statism. It's the same cognitive bug that is a decivilizing force. It paralyzes the people that it inhabits and forces them to engage in the actions that completely undermine and destroy their own society.

I mean, basically saying, oh, well, I mean, the way we solve all our problem is we got to deport all the Jews. I mean, you're no different than a libertarian saying that you solve a problem by ending the state. Just in the state, bro. I mean, come on. I never advocated for that when I was telling you, even in episodes where I would just go deep on it. I never advocated for that because I'm looking in reality. You know, it's like, I mean, I left libertarianism because there was no reality there.

And one of the things I did want to bring up is that the great thing about what you're talking about, civilizational capital, these, you know, getting together in groups, this is the way, you know, all these people who worry about, you know, we don't live historically anymore, we don't pass down our traditions to our kids, all this stuff. You don't, I mean, this is the way you do it. this is the way, and especially if you have a, if you foresee, okay, it looks like there are some people who are going to be taking power, who are going to be the elites, and they were going to be running things. I mean, if their whole thing is competency over nepotism, we just want to get, we just

want to work on technology, and, you know, you're living out somewhere like where I live, they're just going to leave you alone. This is your chance. This is your, I mean, this is your chance to go ahead and build that culture and that tradition that you want. And I was talking, you know, when I talk about governance, when I talk about moving forward and something new, that's what I'm talking about. But your traditions, I don't want to change that. Your traditions are what's most important to you. It's who you are.

This is the best way to do it is to go small. Not to, well, I don't want to leave the cities because that's where the political power is. And it's like, well, what's your culture going to the bodega? I mean, is that what you are? I mean, it's like, I don't want to leave this. Maybe you're going to have to. You know, it's like, I prefer to live where I live now. But I would have no, if I was forced a gunpoint to live in a city again, I could do it.

I'm not going to I'm not going to like it but I'll figure something out. I'm not going to kill myself over it. But then stop. Just go ahead and live your life. We had that thing that, you know, when we were, when you and Matt and I were leaving libertarianism is like you don't let the enemy, you don't let good, you don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good. I mean, you're not ever going to get.

the perfect. And if you think you're going to get the perfect, you're literally no different than a libertarian. You can make fun of libertarians all day for being gay and this, everything. But if you're like waiting for the perfect national socialist community, you're no different than a liberal, like a national socialist country. You're no different than a libertarian. If you want national socialism, try it local. Try to do something locally. See what you, see how you can have that a work at. I mean, you're literally retarded if you think that you're going to just be like, oh, all of a sudden, overnight, the country is going to be, no, is that going to happen? And you're not going to have national socialism, but you can have the ethos. I mean, at least it's an ethos.

I mean, this is where getting humble is really the big thing. Why everyone wants the city or the state or the whatever is its status. So no one's, no one, so things are in the cities are deteriorating to such a degree that you're going to, probably live in these 15 minute cities, which is just a town. You're going to live in a tiny little town inside a big giant city, but you have the status of living in New York. Yay, good, but there's murder and rape gangs and freaking, like, you can go to the museum, but you have to go through a metal detector.

And, oh, by the way, there's some cultural enrichment in the corner. Don't step in it. Like, it's ridiculous. So even all the things that you would normally get to enjoy from a city. And look, I'm a city boy. I'm from Montreal, Canada. Like, I grew up in cities. I love Montreal.

I love all and I live in now the but fuck nowhere in Australia. Trust me, I miss cities a lot, right? I miss Montreal on the daily for a lot of good reasons. But what I don't miss is having all the city problems and having to live in a society that's crumbling and watching it deteriorate in front of me. Like that's a sadness that does a number on you. The nice thing of where I live now, I don't care. Like, you know, things happen.

Oh, I hear about like national politics. And I'm like, that's not coming here. I don't care. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I vote if I can't vote. But if I could, I just vote locally and everything else. I don't know, whatever.

Fine, sure. I'll keep an eye out for things that, you know, like kidnapping my child and intruding her. Okay, well, I'm going to vote against that. But everything else, it's like it's out of my hands anyways. So again, getting that humbleness and saying, If you don't have much, the first thing you do is you don't go build a city, which is impossible, and you're right, then you're saying that impossibility in your head.

Build a village. Get your tribe, build a village, build it online, conceptually. And then from there, scale up as you can. Invest. Keep building those domains. As you get more social and economic capital, you will almost automatically get political capital or you'll need it. to be able to operate on bigger and bigger levels. And then, but again, gain that regio is very, very important.

You need a region, you need leadership, and you need a religion. And you can conceptualize those things any way you want. I would say don't get too clever, but sure, do as you need. But you have to have that binding agent. Without it, the thing that binds, without that thing that binding and that making sure that everyone's on board of that thing that binds, it's always going to fall apart no matter what you do and you really have to I think one of the most important things that people need to realize now and I was streaming with Thomas 777 this

afternoon and he was saying that he really sees like that the culture is going to become you're going to see slowly become more and more right wing it's going to be you know especially the younger people and everything what does that mean though the thing that you have to the thing people are going to have to come to grips with is technology is not going to stop and you're either going to be scared of it or you're you're either going to embrace it you're either going to be scared of it or you're going to be like how does this benefit me and i think for me i'm not scared of it i don't know that i want to embrace it but I'm definitely going to be looking about how does this benefit me?

How does this make my life easier? But, you know, to think that, you know, I don't think in any of our lifetimes and even in the lifetime people watching this, are we going to have robots, robot cops on the street or anything like that. I mean, Charles Haywood argues that he thinks that a lot of what technology is, even AI is being way overblown right now. You know, it's like, what, what do I use AI for? My favorite thing that is AI for is to plug a PDF into it and say,

summarize this PDF for me. And that's like basically what I use, what I use AI for. And, but to think that it's going to become like our, a government, like it's going to be the government. It's going to become our rulers and everything like that, even benevolently. I just, I think all technology are all technology does is produce time capital. Technology produces time, right? It saves you time or like, but it's like, okay, well, what's the saving?

Where does it go? Does it go into a time bank? Where does this thing go? A vacuum cleaner is more efficient. It takes less time to clean the house than doing it by a broom or a mob. You know, robot vacuum saves you even more time. So you know you're not even doing that. You can be on the computer doing other stuff while it's doing that.

Right. It's time and time that you would have to invest to do other things. You now have that time to invest in other things because the technology is making that simpler and faster or doing some heavy lifting for you. An airplane just saves you time on traveling. That's it. It's, you know, it's all time based. So Robocops, where's the time? Like, how does this save you time?

Does it save time? I don't think it does. It's just replacing a job. But we know that those replacements usually are more costly than not. So, and you just need to have more people to be tech, you know, to suddenly fix the machines.

So, yeah, I don't know. Shut up gundo. So, yeah, I think you'll see things like drones. Sure.

You know, replacing people on the ground. But there'll be people in an office somewhere controlling the drone. So it's just a representation issue. It's not a replacement. So, okay, maybe you don't have a human meat bag cop on the street. You have a drone cop, but there's some guy controlling that drone cop. And you're not going to give it over to AI because what if your AI craps out?

Like, what if the system has a failure? What if it glitches? Like, you know, all these things that all happen. It's why putting everything on EV cars and some of that is just crazy for a multiple dimensions. We have a fertilizer crisis because they're, they're earmarking, is it not phosphorus? It's phosphorus. It's one of those chemicals. They're using that, which usually is used for commercial grade fertilizer. They're earmarking more of it for EV cars because they use it to make the batteries. So the reason why they want us to eat bugs and all

that stuff and why they're so hot to trot over Ukraine and all those things is because they're they're they're anticipating having no fertilizer because they want to build more electric cars because they're fucking stupid and they're and they're and they're greedy and they're primal man everything's here they're not thinking down the stream they make it looks like they are but all their plans and all their machinations are all just dead ends for them too a lot of these people present themselves as as intelligent and as people of the mind, but they really are people of the body when it comes down to it.

They are very reactionary. And when they, reactionary in the worst sense, I'm talking about how, I don't want to use the term reactionary because it already has a connotation. But they are emotional, very emotional. They do not know how to, when there's a crisis, their first instinct is to break, break stuff, is to blow stuff up and break it. And once they start doing that, they don't know how to stop because they continue to be in

that very emotional mode. and then they're embarrassed to, you know, say they made a mistake. I mean, we're seeing that right now. We're saying that right now in that tiny little Middle Eastern country that is just killing as many people as they can. Just because they know that they, that from the beginning, this was, they fucked up. Part of this is a holdover now from the decades of the devouring mother pervading

everyone's psychology. You have this very feminine, being reactive is fundamentally feminine in its typology. The man acts, the woman reacts. And one interesting thing about automating things, which artificial intelligence is really, essentially it's just like a really fancy way

of automating things. When you automate something, you masculinize it. It doesn't matter what the thing is. act of automating it is making it more masculine. Now it's it's it's more, it's, it's it's rigid, it's structured, it's ordered, it has it has hard definitions, it's operating according to code, it's not emotional, it's cold. These are all masculine traits, not feminine traits. And what's funny is that all of the things that are going to be automated first are all the white collar jobs, which by number of,

of people, white-collar work is overwhelmingly feminine. These jobs, all of these fake laptop jobs, all of these email jobs, all of this is all the stuff that's going to be automated. And even the white-collar jobs that are probably more predominantly more dominated by men, maybe lawyers, doctors, some of those things, maybe 50-50, I don't know. But even the men who are in those positions generally tend to be more feminized men or more given over toward that. So the act of automating everything is itself going to be a masculinizing right-wing moving influence. The process of getting there might be messy, but when something gets automated, one of the great things about that is that then it's predictable. When you have DEI done via automation,

then it's predictable. You don't have the, you know, have to deal with the variable of someone's random whims all of a sudden. You know what it is. You can predict exactly how it's going to be, which means you can also navigate around it. Once something is operating according to code, then you just figure out what that code is. And as a human being, you're smarter than computer code. So you can navigate around that code once you know how it is. So all these things are all, I think a lot of the doom saying that people make is really just kind of a complicated, elaborate way of offloading responsibility for themselves. Because if everything is doom, if there's nothing but unstoppable bad guys around every single corner, then you can justify just not doing anything. You can justify just, you know, everyone else destroyed the world and I showed up here for the ashes of it.

There was nothing left for me. And so I'm the victim, which is, interestingly, this is a. very a very j way of looking at the world probably not a coincidence so i think for for people who are in who already have well-established digital communities that they're a part of you have your group chats you have your discord servers you have your patreon communities what what have you if you already have a group of of people in uh digital communities then you you your task is make those communities more intentional. It's fine, you have your bitch sessions, trade your memes, et cetera, et cetera.

But take those communities and start doing something with it. I can give you some ideas, but really like the list of things is endless. Go do anything. Even if it's meeting up and playing laser tag, just go do something with your online people. If you have, if you don't have an online community, if you, but you have an IRS, community, then figure out how to take that IRL community and get it an online component. Because once you've taken that IRL community online, you can capitalize on leverage through the internet, through social media, through networking with other communities. You can start building out this network state idea,

and you already have the meat space connective tissue part of it. If you're someone who doesn't have an online community and you don't have an IRL community, then pick one and lean into it. Go find a digital community. We have some we can recommend. Go start your own if you have the resources or whatever. Go put one together. And go find an IRL community. And you can use each of them to leverage the other. But I think this is what the future of civilization building is going to involve both of these components, having communities that have a digital footprint that exists in the digital world, that generates capital digitally, and that has a meat space component that does the same thing in meet space and has figured out how to marry these two things together. I think this is the

absolute frontier. We have our own ideas for how we're going about beginning to parse through all of this and trying to kind of game theory out what we envision happening and what we can do with what's at our disposal now. But in either case, all the time spent scrolling, posting, critiquing, listening, that's all great. That's fine. If it's taking you somewhere.

If it's not, then start supplementing it with one of these things, either forming your IRL community and giving it a digital footprint or forming your digital community and giving it a meat space footprint. All right. Let's wrap it up because Jason has an out.

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