The Pete Quiñones Show - Episode 1029: The Work of Ernst Nolte - Pt. 1 - Addressing the Crisis - w/ Thomas777

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

55 MinutesPG-13Thomas777 is a revisionist historian and a fiction writer.Thomas joins Pete to start a short series on the work of historian and philosopher Ernst Nolte. Thomas' SubstackThomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 1"Thomas' Book "Steelstorm Pt. 2"Thomas on TwitterThomas' CashApp - $7homas777VIP Summit 3-Truth To Freedom - Autonomy w/ Richard GroveSupport Pete on His WebsitePete's PatreonPete's SubstackPete's SubscribestarPete's GUMROADPete's VenmoPete's Buy Me a CoffeePete on FacebookPete on TwitterBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-pete-quinones-show--6071361/support.

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cignon-No show. It feels like we haven't talked on like four or five weeks or like a month or so, man. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Yeah, it's been a minute, even for me. I realize, I realize, my content workflow isn't what yours or, or Jay Burdens or some of the fellas is. Like, I probably, I probably look, that probably makes me look like a special ed kid or something. in my defense

I um you know even when my health was better I I tend to favor highly conceptual topics

and that kind of requires deep dives like on my end to prepare that kind of stuff but you know I remain impressed by the fact that you guys manage to be able to bang out the content you do

with the volume you do and it's always high quality but um Yeah, I'm gonna drop a sit wrap on my substack, but yeah, since I've been back from Arkansas, I haven't done shit. I haven't answered people's text or emails. This is supposed to be my big week to catch up on some long form stuff. Like, no, that was getting done. Like, I'm sorry for that.

I have not been feeling well. But today, you suggested, and I agree. a series where at least, I'd like to go over three episodes, but at least two, on a subject of Ernst Nolte, not just his thought and kind of his particular school of revisionism, but what he represents, you know, he was a student of Heidegger, and he became very close to the Heidegger family. And that's important. It's important not just what Heidegger in context, and I generally agree with people,

including Leo Strauss, interestingly, who I don't have nice things to say about in terms of his ethics. But he did have insight into the Western intellectual tradition. Heidegger was kind of the last continental philosopher,

I think, and Nobility was very much the heir to that tradition that began with people like Meister Eckert and continued with Ozzy Hegel. and Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. And that alone renders him a significant personage.

But it's also, people don't really understand what revisionism is. It's not just a matter of taking narratives that have been mythologized by ideologically committed peoples and institutions that have been able to utilize a bully pulpit. you know, to kind of force those perspectives on, you know, on, um, on, um, I kind of the historical canvas generally. But it's also why these controversies came about owed to a, um, a certain crisis in, um, in, uh, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, I don't just mean ontologically, you know, in terms of, you know, questions people pose themselves

um severally and collectively like, who are we? Like what what is our culture, you know, like what, do we believe in God? I mean, those things are always important, but I mean, um, the, uh, the collision with modernity and Magnum Masega was a collision

of Western man and the kitette the catastrophes that ensued from this, that can't be overstated. Okay. And Nolte, his brand of revisionism is very much grounded in that, describing that process and identifying the 20th century and the kind of the intellectual paradigms that were emergent in the 20th century and the kind of great ideologies that gave rise to the Second World War and beyond.

Those are derivative of this process. And the reason why people develop a sort of blindness about this is twofold, in my opinion. Part of it is, obviously, there's a dominant narrative about the Second World War that the current regime is a very it's got a very strong interest in sustaining not just because it it derives its moral

legitimacy from this narrative but in ontological terms the way the world is structured morally politically um in um

just an absolute conceptual terms you know derives from this narrative but beyond that there's an inability particularly in I think Anglophone intellectual traditions to really understand

continental philosophy like even when the variable is being described within that tradition you know touching concern um Anglophone cultures as much as they do you know

Germanic or francophone ones there's a there's an inability to really sort of approach those things on the correct terms. Like even if, I'm not even talking about accepting the, the postulists they're in. I'm saying that there's this, there's an entirely different conceptual vocabulary for approaching these things. And it's not just because, you know, oh, the, you know, the English and the Scots are, are pragmatic.

That's not, that's not what it is. I mean, that's like a shorthand for, you know, kind of university types who teach history. of philosophy, your history of science courses, that's, we're talking about something both more opaque and more kind of deliberate, deliberately maintained. You know, but really, when old he talks about revisionism, he's talking about what exactly happened in the 20th century, okay? and he's talking about what exactly

national socialism and fascism represented contra capitalism and communism and communism you know and this was not I mean anybody who's educated on the subject

you know knows that national socialism had nothing to do with nationalism whatever that means they got thinking was dead anyway by you know by by um by the turn of the 20th century

century. You know, and it wasn't just, it wasn't, it wasn't as a matter of, you know, quote unquote, scapegoating people, because that, that doesn't make any sense. You know, I mean, even if, even if one accepts kind of court history claims that, for no particular reason, this Habsburg, Austria and the former Hitler just decided he didn't like Jewish people for, for some social reason, you know, that wouldn't, people, people wouldn't respond to some, some man's petty personal biases, like, why would they? That's not the way things work.

Okay? And finally, understanding how they're going to dehumanization, the process of dehumanization at scale whereby human lives, the horror

of human lives to the you know at the level of a million, because ceremoniously extinguished ceased to be impactful you know like why that happened and why that was inevitable and how there was a mirror of what preceded it in the case of the Third Reich and as the war situation deteriorated the onset of the categorical extermination of people who were identified as standard bearers of the enemy idea okay these are the concerns that earns an oldie

So when we talk about revisionism, we're not talking about arguing over like gas chambers and whether they existed and things like that. Because you've already lost a proverbial plot if you're doing that. Like, yes, there's a lot of perjured testimony relating to the instrumentalities of execution and things. Yes, there's a lot of hyperbole that stands in for actual documented events. and that kind of thing should be rebutted, but it's now what we're talking about. Okay, and you're not in the game of your own notion is basically, you know, I accept court history, but, you know, this is wrong because this many people couldn't have been killed. Like, it's now what we're talking about.

And if you're counting casualty lists or you're aggregating estimates of countervalue attrition as some sort of like atrocity contest you know that I mean that's that's incredibly perverse but it's also not you're missing the point you know so I know people will be like

probably to them they're like well how's an old he revisionist he doesn't do what earned Zundo did or does and just claim none of this happened Zendo's not a real revisionist he was some kind of troll it was some sort of pre-internet troll and don't get me wrong

like I there's a place for that like Tom Metzger was in some ways one of those two, but that's not real history. And I realize I'm digressing, but Fred Loitler is a guy you should look into if you're concerned with instrumentalities and kind of a direct evidentiary rebuttal of some of the claims we're talking about. I mean, Leichter's got something of a tragic background owing to the fact that kind of like Alex Jones today

Lloyd there was very much singled out for destruction by the regime when his when he developed a high profile

which he did not cultivate at all but that's um that's got about the scope we're talking about Robert Farrison is another one if then I guarantee you in the comments section

or whatever people are going to say that like I'm not I'm not giving a fair shake or whatever to to what they can the people that consider to be kind of like, you know, the authors and

writers who constantly have originally canon, but getting into what are a subject for the day. A lot is made of Heidegger's purported

affinity for national socialism. And even people who are something like to Heidegger, they seem to understand that. The claim is, well, Heidegger was attracted to Nazism, you know, because he was a German patriot. And then when he realized that these were horrible people, he were treated from that. Or they claim that, you know, he coveted a directorship of Freiberg University.

And this is simply a career decision or something. Like, none of that even comes close to the truth of the situation. Heidegger was concerned first, last, and always with the crisis of Western civilization. Okay. And this in his opinion had been underway at least since the 30 years' war, and probably well before, in terms of the kind of cultural mind. Heidi's notion is that the function of culture, what culture is, the culture relates directly to the question of being. The translating exactly what he means by being is difficult.

It's one part Logos. It's one part qualia. It's one part consciousness. It's one part sentience. There's so much rugby on Sports Exeter from Sky. They've asked me to read the whole lad at the same speed I usually use for the legal bit at the end. Here goes. This winter sports extra is jam-packed with rugby. For the first time we've got every Champions Cup match exclusively live. from the URC, the Challenge Cup, and much more.

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It goes to something beyond self-awareness, but it's like ill-defined in quantitative. terms, but it's basically that combination of, you know, the ability to reason abstractly, self-awareness, and the ability to, like, act intentionally, like, therein, that makes up, like, the human consciousness is distinguished even from the most intelligent animals, okay? It's a neuroscience term, I believe. That's its original kind of provenance. but you know in fundamental senses being is always kind of this question that that's that's ever

present okay you're thrust into the world you know as a baby and basically the process of your mind developing is the process by which you know you come to understand being you know and even like

even the most dull-witted human being there's times at which you know he's he's metaphorically speaking startled by the strangeness of his his existence in the world okay that's even the most primitive societies have some notion of God okay even if it's just some idolatrous mock-up of a bull or something because you know we slaughter the bulls and from there you know we can eat and then we can survive so that is God okay um so being to heidegger and to traditionally aryan man or indo-european if you prefer the kind of

neologism was always an open-ended question you know um it always uh it always it it's it's the vantage point of it is uh always involves man kind of staring into a conceptual abyss okay even that's not, that doesn't mean it's intrinsically sinister, but it's existentially disturbing, because it's unknown. Okay. Now, in Heidegger's view, man comes to live historically because this is how the question of being is answered, or at least this is a way that it's reconciled with human existence.

Moment to moment, man experiences time. You know, time basically governs in both prosaic and profound terms, like everything man does. In an individual capacity, as well as in a collective one. Okay, and moment to moment, man is forced to make decisions. And what brackets all those decisions is time and thus death. Man's always confronting his own, just oblivion generally, as well as his own death. Okay?

Now, what mitigates the terror of that, but would also allow his man to kind of conceptualize what being is in both his day-to-day existence, as well as in transcendental terms, is that looking at one's existence backwards from this very moment now, there's an infinite number of aggregate decisions that led to this point. Okay, rendered by my forebears,

rendered by peoples who I've literally inherited, you know, everything from the way I speak to my folkways, you know, to like my biological aspects. There's this chain of existence, literally stretching backwards, to the very moment at which my ancestors became human, that is essentially, again, an aggregate of endless decisions rendered that constitute decisions within that temporal bracketing. And the process by which, you know, questions are posed second to second, moment to moment, hour to hour, year to year,

decade to decade, epoch to epoch, and as we come to understand, these things in aggregate and as an aggregate process a dialectical phenomenon comes into conceptual view, okay?

And that's what it is really to be, okay? It doesn't resolve obviously what it is, but it places it in a context that is, at least

rational within its bounded temporal terms and that mitigates the terror of just, you know, living in a world of the absolutely unknown, in which all beings and objects and phenomena are just mysterious

and threatening and you know, totally unknowable according to the senses and in the human mind. Now, That's a basically Aristotelian view, okay? I don't want to go off on how exactly that is, because then we'll be here for weeks.

But that understanding of a dialectical process and the temporal bracketing of that process is basically Aristotelian. Contra was essentially a Platonist view, and ultimately what became the Christian view. which is that being is this kind of presence, this transcendental presence, okay? And you come to know that presence through a combination of, you know, pious commitment to knowing it, and through divine grace, both of which are totally outside of temporal consideration, okay? Now, it's not for me to argue, nor did Heidegger suggest that there's not priestly-type men or literal profits who can apprehend this and, you know, come to know God in this way. There's no reason to believe that that is not possible, okay? But in the terms and context we're talking about, the way in which cultures develop around the principle,

that I described, specifically the way the West developed, it basically repudiated, it was basically a self-reputating postulate, you know, like, as the scientific perspective, and as the, as scientism,

as what King Smith called it, and as, you know, the kind of conceptual biases of rationalism, crowded out all other ways of knowing, you know, it's like, okay, well, we came to understand in the world is just being populated by various beings that we can empirically interpret and identify. And within that paradigm, where is God?

You know, you can't identify God in those terms. Not because there's not indicators of God within the, you know, the physical world or anything like that. But you're, it's a totally, conceptually, it's a totally different vocabulary. Okay. So when you remove man from historical time, and then you remove him out of these practices that at one time allowed him, you know, to apprehend being as a divine presence, you're basically throwing him into chaos, okay? that creates conditions whereby every decision he's rendering proceeds ex-Neiloh, okay? This leads to all kinds of pathologies.

You know, it leads to people, you know, it leads to social pathologies, you know, in banal terms, you know, because social capital breaks down. It leads to the deterioration of authority because why would people conceptualize authority as deriving from anything other than convenience

or power, or power? But most importantly, what it does is it forces people to organize themselves according to what is knowable and what can

allow them to recapture temporal boundaries. And that's basically that which is technological, okay? And this leads to uniquely insidious outcomes, okay? One of which was communism, which, aside from, yes, within Marxism, within Marxism, there's absolutely ethno-sectarian prejudices therein, like, you know, all throughout it.

but in absolute terms, like where the rubber meets the road as praxis, what Marxist-Leninism dictated was basically that, you know, being is simply labor. You know, it's this process of work and of working, you know, by which man can shield himself from the elements and feed himself. and, you know, avoid pain as much as, you know, can be reasonably, as much as within the realm of reasonable expectation, you know, until, like, eventually he dies. And that's it. You know, and there's an internal logic to that that is pretty remarkably consistent. I advise people read Das Kapital, because I made the point of people, like,

Marxism is nonsense, but it's actually very well thought out nonsense. The rebuttal of that as well, you know, it's completely self-referencing. But I mean, that's the shortcoming of every modern ideology, like capital I, like ideology, you know, in the proper sense. Because by categorically, by definition, its reference points are our beings, are quantified. objects. So there's really you're talking about the complete avalation of metaphysics. Okay?

The kind of mirror of communism was capitalism. Now there's a problematic term. I know people say, well, capitalism is just a coined, a term

coined coined by Marxists themselves. And it appears to stuff like comments manifesto, that's true, but there is, it's shorthand for the technological perspective, okay? That perspective is basically that material progress is basically potentially infinite, you know, the world, it's kind of a perversion of the anthropic principle. It's that, oh, well, you know, man can perceive how to exploit all.

all these objects in the world around him and even his own body to maximum plenty, you know, to maximum pleasure to basically infinite wealth. And that's basically the key to being, okay? Is this...

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It's an extreme manifestation of the latter, what I just described. And key to transhumanism, it's so, it's intrinsic to it, so it's not something that's emphasized. I believe because it's proponent. just take it for granted. This idea that, oh, well, there's, you know, as, as we advance, we're going to resolve all manner of shortage, because we'll basically be able to just kind of, like, create, like, matter from nothing. Like, it's, um, it seems like a science fiction concept, although less so as time goes on. You know, in movies like that movie, you know, the movie District 9?

Have you ever seen it? Yeah, definitely. Well, you know how, like, the alien technology? It's basically this fluid, but it's like a smart nanotech fluid. So if, like, you add it to a human body, it's going to try and, like, reconstitute it according to what it knows about biology. So it turns to the guy into an alien. If you, like, apply it to, like, a fuel source or, like, it's sinew it into a fuel source, you know, it's going to try and, like, purge the impurities, you know, to make it, like, most, like, combustible or whatever. That's...

I've noticed in transhumanism when people say like, oh, but what about sustainability or what about this, what about that? They basically always fall back and like, well, this is just going to be resolved. You know, by something that can just sort of like replicate whatever is needed. You know, because that's the short, that's a shortcoming of the technological perspective, like writ large. At some point, you run out of stuff to be, you know, like, like, it kind of oversimplify it. You know, like, if there's not more things to exploit, I mean that in like a value neutral term, like, just if the material is not there, like, what do you, you're done, you know? Well, that's also the whole thing about, you know, in Star Trek, you see these machines that just create food. Yeah, yeah.

So what's that machine run on? Yeah, exactly. And what happens if that's taken away? Well, it's interesting, too. I don't want to digress too much, but it's like, that was the, the reason why people went crazy about nuclear power, you know, like, thinking, you know, like, literal, like, atomic age stuff.

Like, this is, you know, a brave new era of infinite energy. Like, you can't, like, for all practical purposes, like, atomic energy is, like, power from nothing. Like, eventually, yeah, like, your, your fuel source does burn out. But that's, but it's exponential, it's got an exponentially longer, life than any other conceivable fuel source. That's why

that's what you're going to see colliding more and more too. Is that these transhumanist types who think that they who think that that's what their utopia is but at the same time they're like terrified of things like nuclear power. It's like you can't have it both ways. But no, that's the, yeah, that's why

yeah, that's in every well that's one of the reason why Dune is smart science fiction. It's a different kind of thing, but you know like dune deals in that planetary level like shortage economies which eventually everything becomes a shortage economy you know over a long enough timeline

whatever how conservationist you are you know it's um you know like the harconans the harconans have become incredibly wealthy but the cost was basically like annihilating photosynthetic potential on their planet so they're like a dying society you know like Iraq as itself

you know there's no water so I mean like everything from the way people greet one another to you know, the way, like the way military doctrine is organized, you know, is accounted for the, you know, the shortage of water. You know, like, the entire, the galactic imperium runs on this narcotic. That's also, you know, like a life-enhancing, like geriatric. But that also has, you know, the basic, this, like, practical necessity of allowing

navigators to perceive, like, what pathways could be navigated through space without, you know, losing without like 50% attrition or something for their for their guild highlighters but um but that's um to bring it back uh like what heidegger's what hydigris saw in the third rike it wasn't so much that he's like it wasn't so much that he got hitler himself was a heroic figure although he may have i mean frankly i made the point before germans didn't particularly like the nsdap they loved Adolf Hitler.

It wasn't so much that he thought the National Socialist program was this incredible revolutionary program. It's that this was the first time in the modern age at the most critical juncture

owing to the revolutionary situation underway globally, that there was some kind of political cadre talking about what we just discussed. You know, Hitler was saying there is a crisis in Western civilization.

Nobody else was saying that. You know, whether he was wrong or right, or good or evil or neither, you know, it wasn't, Huey Long wasn't saying that, you know,

there's a spiritual crisis in the West, and that's why, like, our system is breaking down and we can no longer, we can no longer sustain a moral or social consensus. You know, nobody in the Soviet Union, I mean, the purpose they were all dead, was saying, you know, well, this is a confrontation basically

with God and transcendence. You know, nobody on this planet was saying that. I think the Japanese were, but that's a whole other subject, and that's a fascinating topic as to why there was that affinity. And Italian fascism had something of a different source

and we'll get into that as we get into an novelty proper that was related to the kind of intellectual nexus that national socialism was but it was different. It was far more radical it was far more of

a revolutionary response to conditions immediately precedence. So, So basically Heidegger's understanding was the form this is going to take in ideological terms isn't really important. You know, the fact that this is conceptually front and center is what is important. And if this movement is allowed to be destroyed, there's going to be no more Europe. and again

not because he saw that there was something intrinsically sacred about the National Socialist Movement or something like there in Heidegger's mind like that kind of thing wasn't even possible through political um

activity but this was the spark of that awakening okay um and that's that's that's what's important. Um, I mean, that's, uh, the, uh, there's so much rugby on sports extra from Sky.

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He downplayed this and a lot of his opponents actually like this was something sinister or something. Nolte absolutely was not, you know, like running from some sinister association. I mean, that's preposterous. It's that he didn't want to mind clout from a man who was, you know, really like an intellectual giant.

And I think anybody who's serious in their study of kind of philosophy, whether they accept all the height of his postulants or not, acknowledges that, you know, what really, the book that first put Nolty on the map was the fascist missing sign on epoch, fascism in its epoch. It was translated in English as three faces. of fascism, okay? And this was probably the first serious treatment

of fascism and national socialism from a critical perspective through the lens of continental philosophy and political theory. Something that had become popular in the 50s was this idea of totalitarianism. and that

part of this was just typical kind of Cold War vernacular extrapolated to the academy and passed off as some sort of meaningful

analysis in lieu of you know just kind of cheap polemic which in my opinion it was cheap polemic but there's this idea there's this kind of like

pops sociological understanding in the academy me that, oh, well, what really distinguishes modern states from another is that places like the Third Reich and the Soviet Union were totalitarian. You know, presumably in America and in the UK, you know, we value personal liberty and things. And so we don't have to suffer the total state because our people wouldn't tolerate it. I mean, that's fucking stupid for all kinds of reasons. And it also obviously doesn't account for the fact that these states that supposedly share

like a common value system these totalitarian states like wage these like utterly devastating like Ross and Creek conflicts against one another but um

you know novelty basically his objective was the kind of like rebut that foolishness as well as as to as well as to tackle some of the more

serious critiques and treatments of the third but that nevertheless missed the mark. Basically, what he laid down is that the action, Francie, which who's kind of got leading intellectual, was Charles Maras.

He said, look, you know, France, which had, uh, France was kind of the perennial canary in the coal mine as regards to revolutionary processes. Obviously, you know, it was it was at the turn of the 19th century that France was utterly devastated by

a revolutionary historical impulse so he said that Noltee suggested that a kind of a kind of deep-seated reactionary tendency developed in France okay and which endures so the opposition in France

is always going to be radically conservative okay and um people like de maestra um you know the counterenlightenment

philosophers um there was very much like a a francophone like stamp on this okay so he says that um

emerging in the 20th century kind of like the first truly like modern like in 20th century terms like reactionary movement was like the action frenzy okay he said the response

to that reaction were the Italian fascists, okay? Who were it was basically a radical proletarian movement you know that it was a form of both resistance

to and reaction against modernity but it also embraced certain aspects of hyper modernity you know which seemed which seemed incoherent the people who don't really understand was underway. But there was a... I think that one of the reasons I emphasize George Sorrell so much

is because thinkers like him are kind of the tie that finds what seems like opposing tendencies. But... And most significant, Nolte suggested National Socialism was a synthesis of these two tendencies. you know, which themselves were a reaction against, you know, the tendency towards Bolshevism as the new kind of, as the new iteration of, you know, what was first emergent with the Jacobin Revolution. You know, thus national socialism, it's both radical and reactionary.

It's both revolutionary and conservative. you know, his point was this was actually a very coherent, very cohesive, remarkably integral ideological program. And it's one of the reasons people responded to it like they did. Like this idea was just some, I mean,

politicians are constantly trying to, conventional politicians, they're constantly profiting all things all people, they're constantly preaching, especially in those days, some kind of reconciliation in the classes. they were getting absolutely nowhere, you know, whatsoever. But you're supposed to believe the national socialists, they could just somehow, like, remedy these things, like, good propaganda, even though there was no coherence to it.

Like, that's ridiculous. You know, like, one of the reasons why they were able to capture, demanded that they were, was because they were uniquely astride the dialectical process, as it was either resolving or coming to pieces, however one perceives it, you know, as of, you know, like 1929, 1930. And the only has made the point that even people who are partisans and standard bearers of the spirit of the age in which they live,

and even men who are willing to literally kill or die for their ideological commitments, They may not even be fully aware of what phenomenon they are serving or what they're participating in and what's underway in apoccal terms. Nolte's opinion was basically that, look, philosophy lives on in political terms. You know, whatever you can say about philosophy is having been, you know, divorced from what's become scientific practice. whatever you can say about you know anything related to them to the conventional sociology um politics if anything uh has become like more remote from uh the common man's ability to to um to apprehend you know the meta political dimension of politics As he was observing it, you know, in the early Cold War, Nalti's opinion was one of the reasons these are particularly dangerous times.

It's not just because of the state of techniques. And obviously, you know, like the development of the bomb and things like this. But you've got people who absolutely have no ability to perceive what's underway, and they're at the helm of... of great power states. And they're either conflating, you know, rhetoric with reality, or they perceive the fact that they've been able to capture, you know, they've been able to, they've been able to rise the front office or the titular head of a state organ that at least can, you know,

manufacturing consent to the degree that, you know, they're not going to be removed by force. You know, they take that as some sort of like providential indicator that, you know, there's somehow fit to render decisions when they absolutely are not. And this is important. And this was, in fact, this was in fact an aspect, too, that I believe Heidegger felt was present in.

and fascism that mind you there was plenty of national souls as galiliter who weren't particularly intelligent

even those who were didn't view themselves as some kind of like as some kind of like high priesthood of the political

or something but these guys did view themselves almost out exception as initiates in two historical processes

you know that they came to perceive either through their baptism by fire at the front as young men, or by some sort of epiphany that a lot of people suggested that they had, you know, in the company of Hitler. I mean, whether you accept that or not, there was an understanding among national socialists, among fascists. Stuff like the Iron Guard would have been different. I look at that kind of stuff as like adjacent

but not really the same phenomenon It was far more kind of conventionally theological and related to what we think of as the crusader impulse Like literally But

Just the very fact that these men looked at themselves And the terms that I described It says that they were conceptualizing politics In a way that their enemies were not Okay like the cope of anti-fascists is well that's because they were crazy okay but that's not that's not that's a non answer it's a non perspective um the way these people

like the true national socialist partisans in the old's estimation um they viewed the process that we talked about a moment ago at the outset of not just the removal of man from history

and the removal of man from historical time by the combination of the technological perspective and the deterioration of the ability to approach God in either pious or

conceptual terms Nalty believed that this would never, like man would never recover, okay? If the kind of practical transcendence what he called it, of the Soviet Union

in the United States, of socialism and Americanism reached full realization, what do you mean by practical transcendence? Okay, when man is able to master things that once were

believed only to be the domain of God. That's when God is when God is truly dead in the collective cultural mind. Okay? Like whether you're talking about, you know, the conquest of space, whether you're talking about the hubris of, like, a culture that claims, like, we can turn, like, a male into a female and vice versa.

Or you're talking about people who claim, like, you know, we can we can create humans like outside of a woman's womb just by the manipulation of gametes and things yes, okay that kind of thing is born of a humorous which is not remotely godly

but we're talking about we're talking about cultural mindset and we're talking about the way these things are the way these things are are devised according to you know, man

generally, man's ability to perceive it generally. And again, we're already talking about conditions whereby man's ability to know God has been irreparably compromised. Okay, this is a basic vulnerability here. You know, the irony being, of course, that as this kind of practical transcendence

is accomplished, you know, the absence of color, culture and the ripping out a man from these temporal boundaries that facilitate culture that makes it more brutish, like more ignorant, like more impoverished. You know, it breeds literal backwardness because people no longer understand, you know, race and class anymore. You know, people no longer pursue meaningful education. You know, at best, you know, like an educated man is a technician. You know, like it becomes, like the, like the free. of this

transcendence and this ability to create you know godlike techniques and presumably generate wealth out of nothing is ironically a kind of like

a kind of total degradation of the human being at scale and absolutely annihilation to culture and within a few generations of this presumably the result the result is what Hitler said about

the destruction of man's ability to bear culture as being the end result of an intention of a Bolshevized planet whereby people won't really be people anymore like regardless of the mentioned material in question

they'll have no memory of culture they'll be they'll be unable to bear it even if they did you know you'll have people basically who live on a level of animals just they have an ability to you know and you know think abstractly and so far as you know being able to kind of kind of like the next day when they want to fill their belly with or satisfy whatever glacial impulse by accomplishing but you know the the only thing that really makes makes

man man is culture there's not there's not there's not there's not there's an anatomable thing or what have you or or some special structure at his brain that that makes this impossible, you know. And this is a... This is what was a fundamental concern to Nolte. This is, I believe, why he began writing when he did as the Cold War, began heating up. I want to, I want to wrap this up in a minute because I'm not feeling great.

And also, I realize this was like a long... introduction man but I think um it's important because like I um assuming you're okay with us because your show next episode I want to get into the historian's debate or uh the historic of strife as it was called the historian's controversy there's what put novelty on the map kind of um on the academic map I mean people who people in um who had an interest in kind of philosophy and in a serious scholarship of the Third Reich knew of him. But it was in the late 1980s kind of as philosophical and politically philosophical discussion of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union. You know, kind of as the Cold War was winding down, this kind of thing was at its most intense, interestingly.

But next episode we'll get into how that. was emergent and how exactly nobility became affiliated or identified not affiliated you know with like a Holocaust revisionism which like I said there's nothing at all wrong with Holocaust revisionism but noelty is adjacent but a different represents a different tendency I'll get into what I mean by that I hope that this was not too scattershot I didn't bore people also I'm not feeling great so forgive me man if like my ideas were not terribly fluid no no No problem at all.

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That's what I got. All right. Thank you. Until the next episode. Thanks, Thomas. Yeah, man.